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1[00:00:17] <michael2> beardy: run `systemctl get-default'
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8[00:02:41] <beardy> michael2: graphical.target
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17[00:06:34] <michael2> beardy: thats the whole huge operatting system and desktop environment. you could try running this to stop loading Xorg/desktop:
18[00:06:36] <michael2> systemctl set-default multi-user.target
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20[00:07:08] <michael2> if your problem goes away you can then assume the problem lies in the X/desktop initialisation stage
21[00:07:41] <beardy> It doesn't run X..
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23[00:08:27] <beardy> And it is shutting down, not initializing that is the issue.
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27[00:09:00] <beardy> I first thought it was (claimed closed) replaced-url
28[00:09:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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31[00:12:59] <michael2> beardy: it doesn't run X? is it a server?
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33[00:15:08] <annadane> odd that that problem should exist in stable
34[00:15:46] <beardy> michael2: Several servers, but yes.
35[00:18:56] <dgriffi> ah... a systemd bug... don't worry. it's not important. Poettering knows best.
36[00:19:04] <beardy> poweroff(1) does shut it down correctly oddly enough.. I have enabled persistent systemd journal, we'll see..
37[00:19:26] <beardy> dgriffi: Indeed.
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42[00:20:53] <dgriffi> all hail complex software replacing simple software
43[00:21:29] <beardy> Ok, so htf does one read that?
44[00:21:38] <dgriffi> sarcasm
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46[00:21:55] <beardy> I know, and agree, but nonhelpful and irrelevant.
47[00:22:12] <beardy> The journal, in the file, I mean.
48[00:22:21] <dgriffi> sorry... left over irritation at being told that my objections to systemd are irrelevant.
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50[00:23:11] <bites> beardy: with journalctl -b1 to see the logs from the previous boot, i believe.
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52[00:24:13] <beardy> bites: Thanks, same for reading the shutdown/reboot I guess, after the reboot?
53[00:25:07] <bites> havn't done it often, to be honest. always just scrolled to the end. ^^
54[00:25:17] <michael2> journalctl -b1 only works if you have persistent journal setup though, I think
55[00:25:18] <beardy> To reboot it now I need to 'reboot' then pull the virtual power cord and start it up again..
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57[00:25:29] <beardy> michael2: Yes, I just enabled it.
58[00:26:06] <bites> beardy: i noticed a funny thing on containers a few weeks ago. systemd got stuck if a service spawned a new, immediately failing service on shutdown. probably unrelated, but something to look out for.
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61[00:27:30] <beardy> Holy fuck I can not believe it. NOW it managed to reach the end of the reboot target and actually reboot, just because I made the journal persistent!?
62[00:27:42] <bites> heh
63[00:27:48] <annadane> uhh... ok
64[00:27:54] <annadane> !next
65[00:27:54] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
66[00:28:06] <beardy> I will try it on another machine..
67[00:28:13] <beardy> Happens on all of them.
68[00:28:18] <michael2> beardy: are you sure nothing else changed?
69[00:28:24] <beardy> michael2: Quite..
70[00:28:45] <annadane> that's incredibly bizarre
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74[00:30:55] <beardy> bites: These are KVM:s not containers though, but yes.
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77[00:32:40] <beardy> Yes, that is the most bizarre thing in a long time.. on a second machine, which has had the same issue before, it also manages to reboot now. Without enabling persistent journal on that one, I am perplexed..
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94[00:47:36] <beardy> I tried on a third machine, without upgrading the kernel too.. it also manages to reboot now. Seemingly letting systemd write its journal to disk one time, on one kvm box, it "fixed" my problem.. thanks everyone replying.
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101[00:49:45] <beardy> The only weird reason I can think of is if some memory is de-duplicated and left on the host machine, containing an old systemd piece, or kernel piece, of memory, that now got thrown out when changing the systemd journal conf on one of them.. that sounds very far fetched, but I can't thinkof anything else. Oh well..
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113[00:53:19] <bug> systemd strikes again...
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116[00:55:05] * beardy nods
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164[01:31:44] <mellotto> hi there
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168[01:35:50] <annadane> mellotto, hi
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202[02:04:03] <dgriffi> isn't the mysql/mariadb package supposed to ask the installer what the root password should be? It didn't happen.
203[02:04:40] <FinalX> it does, unless it was installed before and sees the file that prevents it, it's in /var/lib/mysql afaik
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208[02:07:52] <dgriffi> FinalX: this is a fresh server
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263[03:05:29] <KindaNoob> What packages exist for network monitoring?
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265[03:05:54] <KindaNoob> I setupwmnd, but it just creates static window at the center
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270[03:15:59] <dvs> KindaNoob, I heard of wireshark but I've never used it.
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272[03:17:12] <abrotman> KindaNoob: that's a vague question .. what sort of monitoring?
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274[03:18:07] <KindaNoob> well, I mean just "tray icon on/off"
275[03:18:24] <KindaNoob> to get know if it works or not
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278[03:19:21] <abrotman> KindaNoob: tray icon in which GUI?
279[03:20:03] <rpifan> KindaNoob, what do you mean tho? what ru monitorinig
280[03:20:18] <KindaNoob> How to get know what window manager I use?
281[03:20:26] <KindaNoob> There is pointed "default xsession"
282[03:20:29] <abrotman> describe it?
283[03:20:35] <KindaNoob> lol
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285[03:20:43] <abrotman> or post a screenshot somewhere
286[03:20:45] <KindaNoob> blue cross with black dog
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288[03:21:07] <KindaNoob> or it is mouse
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290[03:21:37] <KindaNoob> Name: Xfwm4
291[03:21:44] <KindaNoob> xfce?
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293[03:23:21] <abrotman> apt-cache search network xfce
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301[03:31:05] <KindaNoob> networkmanager and wicd
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303[03:31:15] <KindaNoob> first has conflict with udev
304[03:31:39] <KindaNoob> second - I dunno how it works, it doesn't show any info
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306[03:32:08] <infornography> Hello, I'm using the LXDE desktop. The cursor in text fields changes from a line to a block when insert is on. Would anyone know how to make the cursor a block even when insert is off? I have a hard time seeing the line.
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308[03:35:40] <karlpinc> infornography: Is this in a terminal emulator?
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310[03:36:03] <KindaNoob> carret width, I think
311[03:36:10] <infornography> no, its how it apears in gui stuff/leafpad
312[03:36:38] <KindaNoob> both line and block is same carret, but with different width
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314[03:37:51] <infornography> oh, yeah I'm getting results searching caret
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347[04:11:35] <infornography> I still cannot figure out how to change the caret width ...:think:
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350[04:13:27] <awal1> " airodump-ng -c [channel] --bssid [bssid] -w psk [interface] > /dev/null 2>&1 " won't redirect to dev null. Why not?
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384[04:36:23] <k_sze[work]> Hello.
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386[04:36:52] <csmall> Hi.
387[04:36:56] <k_sze[work]> I need help getting OpenGL on NVIDIA cards in Debian Stretch (Geforce GTX Titan X).
388[04:37:15] <k_sze[work]> I have installed the non-free proprietary nvidia-driver package from the apt repository.
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390[04:37:29] <k_sze[work]> but glxinfo still shows version 2.1
391[04:37:46] <k_sze[work]> The Geforce GTX Titan X is supposed to be capable of OpenGL 4.5.
392[04:38:30] <csmall> Sorry, I can't help. I have an Optimus card that I keep disabled most of the time.
393[04:38:47] <k_sze[work]> The instructions here don't really say what I should do to get OpenGL with the NVIDIA driver. replaced-url
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396[04:39:42] <k_sze[work]> Do I run `update-glx` to switch from the free MESA implementation to NVIDIA's? Is that enough?
397[04:40:10] <csmall> Why not try it?
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400[04:44:00] <csmall> What about glx-alternative-nvidia
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440[05:21:03] <bleb> i'm trying to increase the sensitivity of my x61's trackpoint, but the default gui controls aren't doing anything
441[05:21:18] <bleb> anyone have a suggestion for what to try?
442[05:22:28] <snugger> bleb: Try messing around with xinput
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445[05:22:57] <snugger> xinput set-prop "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" "Evdev Wheel Emulation" ()
446[05:23:06] <snugger> xinput set-prop "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" "Evdev Wheel Emulation Button" ()
447[05:23:08] <snugger> ect.
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479[05:51:42] <k_sze[work]> I think there's a bug in the apt-listchanges installation script where it calls `python3` without specifying the full path.
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482[05:52:28] <k_sze[work]> This can result in a user-installed Python 3.x being called (e.g. at /usr/local/bin/python3), instead of the system Python 3.5 (for Stretch).
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484[05:52:59] <k_sze[work]> And obviously debconf.py is probably missing from the user-installed Python 3.6, so the installation fails.
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602[07:40:12] <IOException> hello! How to "duplicate" main panel when second monitor connected?
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604[07:40:37] <SlidingHorn> IOException: which DE are you using?
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607[07:41:03] <IOException> Sorry. Xfce 4.13 (installed from experimental branch)
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610[07:41:11] <IOException> I am on Debian 9 (stable)
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614[07:41:58] <IOException> Currently I created second panel as workaround. But it overlaps first panel when I disconnect monitor
615[07:43:10] <SlidingHorn> As far as I know, that's the only way to do it
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617[07:43:24] <SlidingHorn> Maybe someone else knows differently
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622[07:44:15] <IOException> Also, it show "double" PulseAudio notification on sound change, because both panels have PulseAudio plugin, LOL
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665[08:24:12] <k_sze[work]> Am I supposed to reboot after update-glx??
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685[08:33:42] <k_sze[work]> glxinfo is still showing "OpenGL version string: 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 10.5.4)" after I run `update-glx --config nvidia`.
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687[08:34:27] <k_sze[work]> Is that because I'm trying to run glxinfo with X-forwarding over SSH, and something about indirect rendering not being supported in OpenGL > 1.4?
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706[08:46:58] <IOException> SlidingHorn, do I need to repeat my question? Or anybody can see logs
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709[08:48:06] <SlidingHorn> IOException: most can see logs (especially if they have joins & parts ignored) - you could try in #xfce though
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714[08:49:07] <IOException> SlidingHorn, I asked there first )
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774[09:30:29] <Rembo> Hello everyone, i have the following curl error on my debian 9 : replaced-url
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781[09:33:37] <cef> Rembo: mind if I hit that URL using my machine?
782[09:34:05] <cef> Rembo: basically testing to get the same response.
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792[09:40:51] <cef> Rembo: hello?
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802[09:47:24] <nejeeeee> i found out that running gimp without root privileges is preventing me from importing raw files
803[09:47:57] <nejeeeee> should i always run gimp as root? is there another way to fix this?
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805[09:49:06] <nejeeeee> also for some reason some plugins and configurations only works while running as root
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808[09:51:17] <nejeeeee> If i open a raw picture with privileges in ufraw i would an automatic calibration based on my camera
809[09:51:37] <nejeeeee> without privileges the configuration is left as default
810[09:52:15] <nejeeeee> i would get**
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814[09:55:31] <k_sze[work]> Is it normal that I don't seem to have an xorg.conf file even though I have the xserver-xorg-core package installed?
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816[09:56:12] <cef> k_sze[work]: you only need an xorg.conf file if the autodetected config is wrong and you want to override it
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818[09:57:36] <cef> k_sze[work]: by default there isn't one, and the autodetected config should work with most hardware, so changing the video card in a system (or even putting the h/drive into a different system) shouldn't cause X to not work.
819[09:57:36] <k_sze[work]> cef: Where is it supposed to appear? What I want to do is run OpenGL headless (in a virtual display in X?), with NVIDIA proprietary drivers.
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825[09:59:15] <k_sze[work]> There is a tutorial on arrayfire.com about configuring X for that purpose, but it uses the deprecated nvidia-xconfig tool, and isn't clear about how to apply the same changes manually in xorg.conf.
826[09:59:18] <k_sze[work]> replaced-url
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828[10:00:11] <cef> k_sze[work]: you can create /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you like, or separate files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
829[10:01:00] <k_sze[work]> cef: how about /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/?
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833[10:02:23] <cef> k_sze[work]: not really designed for editing, and package updats might overwrite it.
834[10:02:32] <k_sze[work]> I see.
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837[10:03:15] <cef> k_sze[work]: does it need to be the nvidia renderer?
838[10:03:29] <k_sze[work]> I *think* so. I need OpenGL > 2.1
839[10:03:42] <k_sze[work]> And the free MESA implementation doesn't provide that.
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844[10:04:51] <cef> k_sze[work]: so you have a server somewhere with an nvidia card in it?
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846[10:05:25] <k_sze[work]> yes
847[10:06:01] <cef> k_sze[work]: you've tried using the xorg.conf they provide by putting it at /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
848[10:06:21] <k_sze[work]> Who is "they"?
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851[10:07:14] <cef> arrayfire. In that tutorial there's a link to an example xorg.conf file
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853[10:07:30] <cef> k_sze[work]: replaced-url
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856[10:08:42] <k_sze[work]> Oh, no, not yet.
857[10:09:02] <k_sze[work]> I guess I can try adapting that to use my card model.
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859[10:09:20] <k_sze[work]> Not sure what I should do about having 3 identical Titan X cards though.
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863[10:09:40] <k_sze[work]> I suppose I give the proper BusID...
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871[10:11:08] <k_sze[work]> I don't absolutely need the mouse and keyboard stuff, right? Since I only want to use it for off-screen rendering.
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873[10:11:24] <k_sze[work]> (I don't even have any mouse or keyboard attached to the server at the moment.)
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875[10:11:58] <cef> k_sze[work]: I assume you don't. if they're not physically there, they'll be ignored by X anyway.
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880[10:13:26] <cef> fwiw: nvidia-xconfig is still in stretch.
881[10:13:55] <cef> ,v nvidia-xconfig
882[10:13:56] <judd> Package: nvidia-xconfig on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 304.48-1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 340.46-1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 340.46-1; stretch-backports/contrib: 384.111-1~bpo9+1; stretch/contrib: 384.111-1~deb9u1; buster/contrib: 390.25-1; sid/contrib: 390.25-1
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885[10:14:32] <cef> I have no idea if it'd detect your Titan cards tho
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889[10:15:25] <jelly> to detect, use, well
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891[10:15:28] <jelly> ,v nvidia-detect
892[10:15:29] <judd> Package: nvidia-detect on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 390.48-3; sid/non-free:
893[10:15:30] <judd> 390.48-3
894[10:15:51] <k_sze[work]> cef: nvidia-xconfig is still there, but its description says it's deprecated.
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897[10:16:20] <jelly> k_sze[work]: that's mostly because having a complete xorg.conf is deprecated as well
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900[10:16:58] <jelly> I'm not sure what you need to install if you just want CUDA
901[10:17:14] <jelly> send a card over here and I'll find out!
902[10:17:21] <k_sze[work]> jelly: nice try, lol
903[10:17:38] <k_sze[work]> jelly: no, not just CUDA. We also want to run OpenGL headless on it.
904[10:17:47] <squarecircle> ohai
905[10:18:01] <k_sze[work]> CUDA is taken care of.
906[10:18:06] <k_sze[work]> it works already.
907[10:18:28] <squarecircle> how do I rewrite my apache conf for my nextcloud to be also reacheable without trailing /nextcloud on my domain?
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909[10:19:39] <k_sze[work]> Not sure how I should translate to the BusID in xorg.conf
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911[10:20:25] <k_sze[work]> nvidia-detect (and lspci) shows me "02:00.0". Does that translate to a BusID of "PCI:2:0:0"?
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913[10:20:38] <bezaban> squarecircle: mod_rewrite is the module you want
914[10:20:54] <squarecircle> bezaban: I just wrote an VirtualHost
915[10:21:13] <bezaban> squarecircle: that works too :)
916[10:21:17] <squarecircle> bezaban: hm
917[10:21:29] <squarecircle> bezaban: not really
918[10:21:43] <squarecircle> replaced-url
919[10:22:00] <squarecircle> and it keeps reloading with a lot of flickering
920[10:22:18] <squarecircle> bezaban: do you have some example rewrite conf for me?
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929[10:24:48] <cef> k_sze[work]: that seems right re: BusID
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932[10:25:43] <cef> k_sze[work]: just found an old mailing list post that basically confirms that is correct
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937[10:29:34] <k_sze[work]> Which this config, do the X server need to be started *for each user* who wants to run OpenGL off-screen?
938[10:29:41] <k_sze[work]> s/Which/With/
939[10:29:59] <k_sze[work]> Or do I only need to start one instance as root?
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942[10:32:48] <squarecircle> bezaban: still there?
943[10:32:50] <squarecircle> ^^
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945[10:33:44] <k_sze[work]> Looks like I onlyt need one instance as root.
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947[10:35:26] <cef> Rembo: do you want help with curl or not?
948[10:36:06] <dionysus69> cant play mp3 on kde
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951[10:36:10] <dionysus69> what package do I need ? :S
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954[10:39:16] <cef> Rembo: This might be relevant: replaced-url
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983[10:41:49] <k_sze[work]> cef: so that seems to work.
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987[10:42:07] <cef> k_sze[work]: huzzah!
988[10:42:15] <k_sze[work]> What's the correct way to get X started at boot time though?
989[10:42:44] <k_sze[work]> Right now my Debian server doesn't have any desktop environment and X isn't started during the boot sequence.
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994[10:43:33] <k_sze[work]> And I need it to start on the :0 virtual device.
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1002[10:45:39] <cef> you'll also want to only have it available to the correct users (otherwise you have xauth issues, or whatever the equivalent is now). I can't help on either counts I'm afraid.
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1012[10:52:30] <squarecircle> ohai
1013[10:52:50] <squarecircle> how do I remove double slashes from my apache2 configuration?
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1029[11:05:25] <nowz> hello there, i've got a problem and I don't find a solution. I created a Linux Debian 9 in my ESXi with only 4Go, and now I am trying to increase the partion size. I increased it from 4 to 10Go and i logged into my VM. when I type cfdisk, i can't see the new free space. I wrote it and mount.ext4 until now everything looks good. When I go into fdisk /dev/sda I can see my /dev/sda1 with my 3.5Go and my /sda3
1030[11:05:27] <nowz> with 6Go. I delete both of them (d - 1, d - 3) and then I try to receate(resize) the first one, n (for new), 1 (for sda1), then primary, now it ask me the first selector i can see something like : First sector (2048-25165823, default 2048): , as you can see it show me that i can go until 25165823 and when i've to select the last selector it only permit me to choose : (2048-6838269) ... so I can't resize it to
1031[11:05:29] <nowz> 4Go, it only stays at 3.5Gb :(
1032[11:05:36] <nowz> Someone already met this problem, and could help me ?
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1034[11:06:48] <nowz> I can see * my new free space*
1035[11:07:31] <nowz> s/selector/sectors
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1054[11:18:27] <k_sze[work]> Approximately which X11 release does Debian Stretch come with?
1055[11:19:16] <k_sze[work]> There are multiple X11 releases, according to replaced-url
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1057[11:19:27] <k_sze[work]> The latest being X11R7.1.
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1060[11:23:10] <petn-randall> k_sze[work]: That is outdated, it was last edited in 2013. stretch's release is from 2017.
1061[11:23:31] <k_sze[work]> I mean X11R7.7
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1063[11:23:39] <k_sze[work]> Looks like Stretch comes with 7.7
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1065[11:24:06] <k_sze[work]> `apt show xorg` shows version 1:7.7+19
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1070[11:26:18] <regdude> Hi! Is it possible to install a headless debian (no gui) with Debian LiveUSB?
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1072[11:28:47] <petn-randall> regdude: I'm not sure about the live images, but you definitely can with the network installer (which I recommend).
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1077[11:29:56] <k_sze[work]> I really don't understand Xsecurity (replaced-url
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1079[11:31:08] <k_sze[work]> So if there is a `/home/bob/.Xauthority` file, does that dictate which device (host) or users may access bob's X session??
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1083[11:31:43] <regdude> petn-randall: wanted to use the LiveUSB since the CLI based installer seems buggy, but yeah, can't select if GUI is needed like with ubuntu
1084[11:32:09] <petn-randall> regdude: What makes it buggy?
1085[11:32:47] <k_sze[work]> And so .Xauthority doesn't dictate who may use X at all (I presume literally *everybody* is allowed to have an X session, then), but only who may access whose sessions? (a rather strange concept if you ask me)
1086[11:33:02] <regdude> petn-randall: well when the installer loads up, it asks you to select the language, but does not open up, but I guess that step is not needed and you can move on
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1089[11:35:09] <ceptor> I need to upgrade some ~20 Servers that don't have internet access. How would I go about that? I did some reading, and it looks like debmirror is what I should be looking at.
1090[11:35:22] <ceptor> I was thinking 1) Create repository mirror with debmirror, 2) Expose repository with webserver inside local network 3) Change mirror settings for servers 4) apt update and upgrade
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1092[11:35:50] <ceptor> Are there any additional things to take care of? Am I missing something obvious? I wont have internet to correct my mistakes, so I'm nervous. :)
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1099[11:38:20] <petn-randall> regdude: How did you prepare the usb stick? That might be the issue.
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1103[11:40:52] <petn-randall> ceptor: The safest bet is to just burn all DVD images, or whatever format you can access with the servers.
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1105[11:41:01] <petn-randall> ceptor: Been there, done that. :)
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1111[11:42:48] <petn-randall> ceptor: So the steps are 1) Connect the DVD reader (or usb stick) with the first image 2) Use apt-cdrom to scan it 3) Repeat 1+2 for all disks 4) Run apt-get dist-upgrade
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1114[11:44:59] <regdude> petn-randall: with dd, bs=4. I think it is a bug, the clock selection also does not work, but seems that I have installed debian, now need to figure out why it hangs
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1127[11:47:19] <petn-randall> regdude: dd is not the best choice, but it should create a bootable image for you. Did you verify the checksum of the disk?
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1129[11:47:34] <regdude> really? dd not the best choice?
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1142[11:52:10] <petn-randall> regdude: 'dd bs=4' will copy 4 bytes at once. A 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdx' will automatically scale the buffer size and will be a lot faster.
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1145[11:52:17] <petn-randall> (it's also in the release notes)
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1155[11:54:45] <nowz> .
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1157[11:55:17] <nowz> Hello I am trying to increase my size partition, could some one take a look of this gist and tell me if I am doing something wrong : replaced-url
1158[11:55:19] <nowz> THANK YOU
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1160[11:57:19] <petn-randall> nowz: So you don't need any of that data anymore?
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1162[11:57:36] <nowz> I do need my data, i am just trying to resize
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1164[11:57:57] <petn-randall> nowz: Did you make backups before playing with fdisk?
1165[11:57:59] <nowz> but every tuts I found tell me to delete partition and recreate with the offset sector of the beginning
1166[11:58:11] <nowz> nop petn-randall, it's just a vm to try
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1172[11:58:34] <petn-randall> nowz: Well, you deleted the fileystem signature, so I don't think the filesystem is there anymore.
1173[11:58:50] <petn-randall> in the last two steps.
1174[11:58:51] <regdude> petn-randall: well those isos are hybrid already. Copying the iso to a formated partition will probably not work on all systems. bs=4M. Either way, just noticed that this thing has AMD Ryzen, now need to find how to boot up to update the kernel
1175[11:59:18] <nowz> my problem is just that the size is not increasing, it doesn't allow me to go upper 3.3Go , that the old size.
1176[11:59:38] <petn-randall> regdude: Oh, bs=4M is very different from bs=4. And you don't copy it to a partition, that would be /dev/sdx1 then.
1177[11:59:53] <nowz> even if i've added 8Go (found here /dev/sda4) with ESXi
1178[12:00:02] <petn-randall> nowz: How would that work? There's partition 2 in the way.
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1181[12:00:36] <petn-randall> nowz: If you add storage to the block device, that will show up at the end, not at a place of your choosing.
1182[12:00:49] <nowz> I don't really know. First time for me I'm trying that. I just added 8Go into ESXi for this VM, i can see it here /dev/sda4 but can't use it ...
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1185[12:02:14] <petn-randall> nowz: You could delete the last partition and create a new one with a larger size, but IMHO if you want to use that in production later, go with LVM. Otherwise you'll always have to reboot and risk breaking the system.
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1188[12:02:46] <pseudonymous> Hi. After some issues, I got Virtualbox installed and I need to make a VM which sits on the same network as my host - it needs to be externally reachable by other nodes on that network. So I choose bridged networking. However, the Guest (also Debian) cannot reach anything. No DHCP, manual setup reveals it can't even reach the NW gateway. Ideas ?
1189[12:02:51] <nowz> ok, I understand !! I'll try it, yes one of my collegue advice me to use LVM too for my next try
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1204[12:09:42] <shtrb> does apt verify the checksum of all files and check the correctness of checksum using the keyring ?
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1206[12:10:11] <petn-randall> shtrb: Yes.
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1208[12:10:38] <regdude> does anyone remembers what was needed to be passed to grub to properly boot the kernel with AMD Ryzen? it was iommu and something else
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1210[12:10:48] <petn-randall> shtrb: Wait. Yes for all files it downloads. If your files get corrupted after installation, you need to use debsums for that.
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1219[12:17:59] <davorin> ehlo (o;
1220[12:18:17] <davorin> i am back now with my h370-pro board on debian 9 (o;
1221[12:18:34] <davorin> and backported 4.15 kernel...
1222[12:18:45] <davorin> now second display on gtx1050 is dark now...
1223[12:18:51] <davorin> guess it needs misc-nonfree?
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1230[12:25:32] <Meerkat> When I was cleaning up in my home directory I removed the link ".thunderbird" and renamed the ".icedove" folder to ".thunderbird" instead. Apparently that was a bad idea because now Thunderbird won't start.
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1234[12:26:13] <Meerkat> Isn't the mail client suppose to use ".thunderbird" as its config directory now that it is called that? I'm very confused.
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1238[12:30:02] <Meerkat> I reversed the changes and it seems to work properly again. I hope I didn't lose any mail. :(
1239[12:31:13] <BCMM> Meerkat: perhaps profiles.ini had references to .icedove/?
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1241[12:32:03] <Meerkat> No, it uses a relative path.
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1244[12:32:20] <davorin> erv identify big2fish
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1246[12:32:43] <davorin> bugger...
1247[12:32:52] <davorin> still no gtx1050 on debian 9
1248[12:33:04] <davorin> Direct firmware load for nvidia/gp107/gr/sw_nonctx.bin failed with error -2
1249[12:33:10] <BCMM> Meerkat: relative to the .icedove/.thunderbird directory?
1250[12:33:40] <BCMM> oh right, that is what it does. i totally failed to read profiles.ini correctly sorry
1251[12:34:05] <petn-randall> davorin: You might want to change that password.
1252[12:34:13] <davorin> i know (o;
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1255[12:34:34] <BCMM> davorin: and then you might want to configure a more modern method for freenode auth
1256[12:34:48] <BCMM> you don't have to fiddle with talking to nickserv any more
1257[12:35:03] <davorin> first i have to fiddle with gtx1050
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1259[12:35:15] <davorin> seems misc-nonfee has no gp107
1260[12:35:29] <davorin> s/nonfee/non-free/
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1265[12:36:59] <davorin> hmm..do i need to do a "apt-get -t stretch-backports install firmware-misc-nonfree" to get gtx1050 working?
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1268[12:39:16] <petn-randall> !tias
1269[12:39:17] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
1270[12:39:26] <shtrb> petn-randall, I wish to verify if they are corrupted (mismatched ) during download (cache poison)
1271[12:39:40] <petn-randall> shtrb: Then apt already protects against that.
1272[12:40:07] <shtrb> thanks
1273[12:40:17] <petn-randall> shtrb: Note that corruption (faulty hw between you and the mirror) and malicious manipulation are two very different things. But apt protects against both.
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1275[12:41:00] <petn-randall> shtrb: The repository doesn't need to be gpg signed to protect against the former, the checksums are already enough for that. Signing protects against the latter.
1276[12:41:07] <shtrb> The system expected to mismtatch some files (give data from it's cache ) , I have seen different MD5 checksums on iso but no error on apt
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1279[12:42:04] <petn-randall> shtrb: Can you provide steps to reproduce? I don't quite understand what you did.
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1281[12:43:27] <shtrb> I'm in an building that have it's own faulty configered system that expected to speed up downloads (transparent proxy) , If I download an iso sometimes I get the wrong file , but I did not have any error from apt so I started to wonder if it does any checks
1282[12:44:14] <petn-randall> !secure apt
1283[12:44:14] <dpkg> [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See replaced-url
1284[12:44:21] <petn-randall> shtrb: It does so for quite a while now. ^^^
1285[12:45:35] <squarecircle> is there a special reason why sha256sum is slower then sha512sum?
1286[12:46:10] <petn-randall> squarecircle: How are you benchmarking it?
1287[12:46:45] <squarecircle> checked the same 37GB sized tar.gz file
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1289[12:47:18] <squarecircle> sha256sum 2:30mins, sha512sum: 1:44mins
1290[12:47:20] <shtrb> petn-randall, If I didn't get any warning that mean no errors exist (and the cache simply ignored individual packages ) ?
1291[12:47:55] <petn-randall> squarecircle: If you ran it once, it's in the filesystem cache, so that will skew your measurement.
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1293[12:48:12] <squarecircle> petn-randall: ol
1294[12:48:40] <petn-randall> shtrb: If any of the checks failed it will comlain loudely.
1295[12:48:51] <squarecircle> petn-randall: ok, I'll write an bash script that will execute the checks for some thousand times :D
1296[12:48:58] <shtrb> petn-randall, thanks
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1298[12:49:15] <squarecircle> petn-randall: just because I'm curious
1299[12:49:17] <BCMM> squarecircle: or just cat file > /dev/null before you start the test
1300[12:49:17] <squarecircle> :)
1301[12:49:30] <BCMM> squarecircle: that way, they'll both be running cache-hot
1302[12:49:43] <bites> or just openssl speed sha256 sha512
1303[12:49:44] <petn-randall> (assuming there's no other I/O on the machine)
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1305[12:49:56] <bites> sha512 can be faster in some cases.
1306[12:50:15] <bites> i'm suprised too.
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1308[12:50:47] <petn-randall> According to wikipedia, sha512 uses a bit less cycles per byte, so yes, it should be slightly faster.
1309[12:50:49] <bites> for larger blocks sha512 is almost twice as fast on my machine.
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1311[12:51:09] <bites> on smaller blocks sha256 seems faster though.
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1313[12:52:06] <squarecircle> replaced-url
1314[12:52:18] <squarecircle> hm
1315[12:52:20] <squarecircle> so
1316[12:53:15] <squarecircle> anyone know how I can fix my apache config with the useless /nextcloud suffix on my nextcloud box? :D
1317[12:53:42] <petn-randall> squarecircle: Which OS release?
1318[12:54:16] <squarecircle> Debian 9
1319[12:54:39] <petn-randall> squarecircle: IIRC nextcloud has a howto for that.
1320[12:54:39] <shtrb> wasn't nextcloud banned from debian ?
1321[12:54:46] <petn-randall> shtrb: Banned?
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1324[12:54:56] <squarecircle> I did an manual install
1325[12:55:00] <petn-randall> shtrb: It was never packaged for Debian.
1326[12:55:12] <davorin> hmm..either debian 9 doesn't support or not the gtx1050 in dual screen with intel graphics
1327[12:55:14] <shtrb> petn-randall, sorry , it was the other way around nextcloud asked not to package for debian
1328[12:55:26] <shtrb> petn-randall, there was owncloud before
1329[12:55:27] <squarecircle> and having now trouble with the url suffix that annoys me a lot
1330[12:56:02] <petn-randall> shtrb: Yes, it difficult to keep something like that in Debian if they only support each release for a few months.
1331[12:56:04] <shtrb> Did you use apache ?
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1334[12:56:17] <Sapph1r3> Hi
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1337[12:56:51] <Sapph1r3> .
1338[12:56:51] <Sapph1r3> .
1339[12:56:51] <Sapph1r3> .
1340[12:56:52] <Sapph1r3> .
1341[12:56:52] <Sapph1r3> .
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1343[12:57:09] <squarecircle> lol
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1345[12:57:16] <shtrb> petn-randall, there are fast moving packages and that ok , but If I remember correctly there was some fud between nextcloud/owncloud and debian
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1348[12:57:48] <petn-randall> shtrb: Not really. Not more than with any other project, anyway.
1349[12:58:19] <squarecircle> a stable release would be a useful thing
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1352[12:58:58] <jbetz> what's a fast and reliable wifi adapter that's linux compatible?
1353[12:59:06] <jbetz> wheezy, to be more specific
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1357[13:00:40] <squarecircle> jbetz: got some Netgear WG111v3 thats slow but works
1358[13:00:53] <shtrb> jbetz, zd1211 was reliable but it needed a firmware
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1360[13:01:00] <jolt> jbetz: Depends on the kernel version probably, but this list is nice: replaced-url
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1364[13:01:40] <shtrb> sorry, I was thinking of Etch , don't get a zd1211 for Wheezy you can get better ones
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1367[13:03:35] <squarecircle> shtrb: how does a lawn mower helps him getting wifi? o.O replaced-url
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1373[13:05:07] <shtrb> what ?
1374[13:05:16] <shtrb> lol
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1376[13:05:33] <squarecircle> shtrb: did some google image search, got only lawn mowers
1377[13:05:46] <shtrb> replaced-url
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1379[13:05:49] <squarecircle> shtrb: I guess It'll run NetBSD
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1381[13:06:21] <shtrb> zbetz, I was talking about the wifi dongle not the lawn mower
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1386[13:07:48] <jbetz> well, I want something that's fast and reliable and works out of the box
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1391[13:08:14] <jbetz> jolt: thanks, I'm looking at this now: replaced-url
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1395[13:08:59] <rsturm> hi, have a little problem with the package manager on a jessie box. Suddenly aptitude complains about untrusted packages. I already tried clearing the apt cache, updating the keyring but that didnt help
1396[13:09:14] <petn-randall> !bat
1397[13:09:14] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1400[13:09:36] <petn-randall> rsturm: Can you provide all of the above in a single paste? Additionally also the output of 'apt-key list'.
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1404[13:11:20] <rsturm> petn-randall: sure... brb
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1422[13:16:48] <rsturm> petn-randall: replaced-url
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1428[13:24:02] <pseudonymous> If I have a VirtualBox VM (also Debian) which now has a single NW adapter which configured to be in bridged mode and DHCP actually works, how can it be that I cannot successfully ping *anything* (not 8.8.8.8, not the network gatway, nothing) ? Are there some settings on the host(Debian) that I need to change for bridged networking to work ?
1429[13:25:36] <shtrb> vbox has different network configuration for the host-guest connection
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1431[13:26:30] <shtrb> pseudonymous, Under the network tab in vbox , configure your card to act to fulfill your need
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1437[13:29:10] <pseudonymous> shtrb: I'm not sure I follow ? I did configure the VM's single interface to be in bridged mode, I did link it up to a NW card on the host which is connected to a wider network. I did enable "promiscuous mode" via the vbox gui
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1448[13:36:31] <Rembo> hello cef, can you still help me?
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1453[13:42:59] <shtrb> pseudonymous, can you ping the host ?
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1457[13:44:06] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
1458[13:44:06] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
1459[13:44:28] <petn-randall> rsturm: You've got wheezy, jessie and stretch on that system. See above. ^^^
1460[13:44:31] <pseudonymous> shtrb: yes, that works :)
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1466[13:45:56] <petn-randall> rsturm: Also, you output for 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy wget' doesn't match up, when is the last time you ran 'apt update'?
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1472[13:47:01] <shtrb> on host do you see something like en0:A eno0:B and eno0 and each have their own ip ?
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1478[13:48:25] <shtrb> petn-randall, replaced-url
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1483[13:49:56] <shtrb> owncloud become like one of the blobs you put in /opt
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1501[13:55:46] <petn-randall> As long as it's clear for everyone involved, you can make a conscious choice for or against it.
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1507[13:57:45] <pseudonymous> shtrb: nope. I actually had to create a new interface (lets call it eth1) which I have associated with the vbox adapter which runs in bridged mode.
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1531[14:04:59] <mischief> anyone know how to disable loginctl session locking
1532[14:05:33] <mischief> err. logind
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1554[14:24:13] <kamo_> Hey!
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1557[14:25:50] <kamo_> I forgot to unselect the debian default DM while trying to set up a minimal debian install on my laptop. How do I totally purge GNOME now? Should I be aware of any obscure files left behind by GNOME ?
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1559[14:27:28] <kamo_> Hello?
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1562[14:28:45] <Eduard_Munteanu> kamo_, use tasksel to unselect it and purge
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1573[14:31:23] <kamo_> Eduard_Munteanu: I tried running tasksel --list-tasks and it returns a few DM names. So, should I run "tasksel remove i" ?
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1576[14:32:18] <Rembo> Hello everyone, i have the following curl error on my debian 9 : replaced-url
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1579[14:32:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> kamo_, tasksel has a terminal UI, you can deselect it there
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1586[14:34:32] <kamo_> Eduard_Munteanu: what does "laptop" under that menu mean?
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1590[14:35:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> kamo_, various tools for laptops, like fan daemons and stuff
1591[14:35:47] <kamo_> and when you said purge? Should I "apt-get remove gnome-* && apt-get purge gnome-*" or anre there any other commands that need to be added to that chain?
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1599[14:38:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> kamo_, see if tasksel removes them, if not you can do apt-get autoremove
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1601[14:38:53] <kamo_> Eduard_Munteanu: So, I don't need to manually remove/purge GNOME?
1602[14:39:13] <Eduard_Munteanu> No.
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1604[14:39:21] <kamo_> Okay.
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1611[14:44:50] <rsturm> petn-randall: hi, i'll post an updated paste later, i am a meeting which doesnt want to end :/ I have removed the sources for wheezy and stretch and ran an update while i created that paste. The problem persists
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1621[14:51:18] <jim> hi, what was the name of the dependency-based boot process that started services based on dependencies? before systemd
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1624[14:52:50] <themill> startpar
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1628[14:54:48] <jim> themill, is that the thing that mandated adding lsb tags to scripts in init.d?
1629[14:55:18] <petn-randall> rsturm: Yes, because you can't fix a Frankendebian by just removing the sources.
1630[14:55:20] <kamo_> Hello again, Eduard_Munteanu! tasksel didn't seem to remove GNOME. It's my default DM after I rebooted.
1631[14:55:32] <jim> need this for a git commit comment
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1633[14:56:05] <petn-randall> jim: sysvinit?
1634[14:56:10] <petn-randall> jim: upstart?
1635[14:56:22] <jim> might have been upstart
1636[14:56:39] <jim> sysvinit, that was before
1637[14:57:19] <jim> I think that;s it, thanks
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1644[14:59:38] <rsturm> petn-randall: new paste: replaced-url
1645[15:00:29] <kamo_> Eduard_Munteanu: Hey!
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1647[15:00:37] <rsturm> petn-randall: the only installed packages from non-jessie sources are the icinga2-related packages which are neither in stretch nor in wheezy
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1649[15:01:49] <rsturm> petn-randall: the chaos began after removing the sources from debmon.org (because the project died).
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1651[15:02:14] <petn-randall> rsturm: It began as you tried mixing three different releases.
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1656[15:03:58] <petn-randall> rsturm: You first need to cleanly upgrade to jessie, and then to stretch, assuming you already have stretch packages on there. It's most likely caused due to the debian-archive-keyring only providing keys for the release you're on +1.
1657[15:04:18] <jelly> ,v debian-archive-keyring
1658[15:04:19] <judd> Package: debian-archive-keyring on amd64 -- wheezy: 2014.3~deb7u1; jessie: 2017.5~deb8u1; jessie-updates: 2017.5~deb8u1; stretch: 2017.5; buster: 2017.7; sid: 2017.7; experimental: 2017.7+exp
1659[15:04:56] <jelly> I think my own release upgrade notes say to upgrade debian-archive-keyring first
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1662[15:06:39] <rsturm> petn-randall: ok, i'll try that
1663[15:06:50] <petn-randall> rsturm: Also pinning jessie-security and jessie higher than jessie-updates is calling for trouble.
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1673[15:12:59] <rsturm> petn-randall: here is my pinning configuration... replaced-url
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1690[15:20:40] <kamo_> Hello, tasksel doesn't seem to remove GNOME. It's my default DM after I rebooted. Should I just re-install the whole thing or purging would do?
1691[15:21:19] <greycat> Tasksel is about adding stuff, not removing stuff. If you just want to run a different DE, you can install it, have both available, and choose the one you want.
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1693[15:21:29] <greycat> If you absolutely MUST remov gnome, well, it'll be difficult....
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1695[15:22:22] <kamo_> and how do I enable the dm which I want at boot, greycat ?
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1697[15:23:05] <greycat> Most of them have some kind of menu that lets you select "Debian session" or "GNOME session" or whatever. The "Debian session" choice runs whatever you have chosen in "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager", I believe.
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1706[15:25:46] <kamo_> greycat: Okay, Thanks! :) And my laptop has 4 gigs of RAM, how much do you think should I allot to swap, greycat ?
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1715[15:28:38] <kamo_> and greycat why does do libreoffice suite, rhythmbox etc all come pre installed when I choose GNOME when install debian-minimal? because, I thought minimal-install means it should only install what is needed not all this bloat.
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1717[15:29:50] <greycat> When you choose "GNOME" or whatever, it includes all of the applications that an end user who selects "GNOME" or whatever is likely to want.
1718[15:29:53] <greycat> !install gnome
1719[15:29:54] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
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1721[15:30:27] <greycat> If you "choose GNOME", you are not installing "debian-minimal".
1722[15:30:42] <kamo_> greycat: ah got it and about selecting swap space. How much is the recommended?
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1725[15:30:52] <greycat> I don't even know what "debian-minimal" is supposed to mean. Where did you see this phrase? What do you believe it means?
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1728[15:32:05] <kamo_> greycat: It's under the download section on the debian homepage
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1733[15:33:20] <greycat> WHAT "download section"? The only instance of the word Download is in the green-on-white button inside the Debian banner, where it says "Download Debian 9.4 (64-bit PC Network installer)"
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1735[15:33:37] <jolt> kamo_: Depends on the workload and memory. Half of memory is what I use per default on a desktop machine.
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1737[15:34:01] <jolt> kamo_: And I usually have 8 or 16 GB RAM on a desktop
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1745[15:35:59] <greycat> In any case, the end of the Debian installer run tasksel, which allows you to select things like "Debian desktop environment" (which defaults to GNOME). If you select one of those, then those things will be installed before the first boot.
1746[15:36:27] <greycat> If you don't want a desktop environment (many of us don't!) then don't select that.
1747[15:37:23] <kamo_> greycat: okay. done. and about the swap space...
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1749[15:37:42] <petn-randall> I think they confusion arises from kamo_ thinking that 'minimal' button changes what the other choices do. It's strictlyi additive. Meaning, if you select 'minimal installation' and 'gnome', it'll install the packet list of both.
1750[15:37:59] <petn-randall> kamo_: If you want to hibernate, at least the size of your RAM.
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1753[15:39:00] <kamo_> petn-randall: so 4 gigs then?
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1757[15:40:44] <petn-randall> kamo_: Do you have 4 gigs of RAM?
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1762[15:43:34] <kamo_> petn-randall: yes, i do
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1765[15:44:13] <petn-randall> kamo_: Well, then I guess you know the answer?
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1768[15:44:50] <jolt> petn-randall: Good point, didn't think about laptops :D
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1771[15:46:32] <kamo_> petn-randall: okay
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1790[15:59:12] <m0rd3cai> So im trying to setup a script to remove my pc speaker with modprobe -r pcspkr. since that has to be run as sudo, how can i specify that in my startup script?
1791[15:59:55] <kamo_> why aren't certain fonts/emoji's/other-languages not properly/or not displayed at all on my system/browser, petn-randall ? Maybe, I need to install a few extras to make them work?
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1800[16:02:34] <petn-randall> kamo_: Why are you asking me specifically? I know nothing about emojis.
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1803[16:02:56] <petn-randall> Also:
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1805[16:02:59] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
1806[16:02:59] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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1810[16:03:42] <andre144k> hi all - is there any good reason for using own partition /boot ? or can i use /dev/sda1 - 50GB (ext4) for / ?
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1827[16:05:46] <BanHammor> andre144k, there are good reasons: LVM, RAID, main partition encryption
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1832[16:06:01] <kamo_> petn-randall: sorry, well, it all these fonts/emojis are displayed like this replaced-url
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1837[16:06:06] <jhutchin1_wk> andre144k: On multi-user systems, keeping /boot in a separate partition and unmounting it after boot was complete was considered a way to secure it against unauthorized/unintended changes. On a single user system there's not much point.
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1849[16:07:21] <sdeco> Hey. I've got a server running out of RAM and swapping even though top says only 54% of ram is in use (not a i/o cache issue; swappiness is set to 1; meminfo and stuff are here: replaced-url
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1853[16:07:52] <andre144k> jhutchin1_wk, then i wld hve to remount for each update?
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1855[16:08:07] <kamo_> greycat: I meant this replaced-url
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1859[16:08:53] <BanHammor> jhutchin1_wk, that seems pointless and easily circumventable
1860[16:08:56] <robairt> hi, I'm trying to increase the disk space on our vm running wheezy. I've added the space to the hard disk but I don't see it when I run fdisk -l. Do I need to run a command or reboot for the machine to pick up the increase so I can apply it?
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1862[16:09:06] <greycat> kamo_: it's a minimal CD, not a minimal installation of Debian. Whatever you select that isn't on the CD will be downloaded.
1863[16:09:14] <JyZyXEL> sdeco: google doesn't even compile swap support in their kernels
1864[16:09:29] <JyZyXEL> swapping sucks, best to keep it disabled
1865[16:09:43] <iulian_> kamo_, i have similar problem with debian minimal, but the fonts works
1866[16:09:48] <BanHammor> have fun with oom-killing stuff, JyZyXEL
1867[16:10:12] <JyZyXEL> BanHammor: only if you run out..
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1870[16:10:32] <JyZyXEL> in which case you should be fixing your software or simply getting more memory
1871[16:10:54] <jhutchin1_wk> BanHammor: Yes, most people decided it was pointless and easily circumventable and didn't bother.
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1874[16:11:40] <kamo_> greycat: I see
1875[16:11:41] <jhutchin1_wk> BanHammor: The partitioning scheme that's most commonly used by installers was appropriate when hard disks were the size of washing machines and cost five figures.
1876[16:11:53] <petn-randall> jhutchin1_wk: When was that ever a security improvement? You need to have root to write to /boot/, so you can simply mount it anyway.
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1878[16:11:58] <kamo_> iulian_: on a firefox browser?
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1881[16:12:23] <petn-randall> jhutchin1_wk: IMO the reason was that grub couldn't boot from various filesystems in the past.
1882[16:12:36] <greycat> that's certainly one of the reasons
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1885[16:13:12] <sdeco> JyZyXEL: I thoroughly agree, but I'm not the sysadmin so I can't make those changes now; I'm trying to diagnose why it decided to swap though
1886[16:13:38] <sdeco> and, more specifically, why free says 95% of the RAM is used even though top says 54% (already accounted for the kernel's i/o cache)
1887[16:13:40] <iulian_> kamo_, replaced-url
1888[16:13:52] <BanHammor> sdeco, does htop also say that?
1889[16:14:03] <sdeco> Sec, gotta install it
1890[16:14:44] <sdeco> htop says I'm out of RAM
1891[16:14:56] <kamo_> iulian_: so what did you do then?
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1893[16:15:07] <petn-randall> sdeco: How do you know it's running out of RAM? What errors are you seeing?
1894[16:15:30] <sdeco> I've got a crapload of java threads all sharing a 6.7G big shared memory map. It looks nearly as if double of that memory is actually allocated based on the amount of used SWAP
1895[16:15:34] <JyZyXEL> sdeco: i wrestled with those exact questions not too long ago for months and didn't end up making a lot of progress.. just frustration, until i gave in and just got more memory and disabled swapping
1896[16:15:56] <sdeco> petn-randall: because my apps are crashing and my zabbix probe is saying i'm maxing out on disk i/o throughput (due to continuous swapping)
1897[16:16:04] <petn-randall> sdeco: Crashing *how*?
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1900[16:16:35] <sdeco> petn-randall: they're hosted on a tomcat; that tomcat is basically stalled due to the constant swapping preventing any i/o
1901[16:16:37] <petn-randall> sdeco: Because memory allocation errors can also be caused by other things.
1902[16:16:38] <iulian_> kamo_, but in my case the fonts works i think only the preview its broken
1903[16:16:50] <kamo_> iulian_: oh okay
1904[16:17:24] <sdeco> the webapps crash, the tomcat process just stands there being useless, the JVM running it stays too. No processes crash. The OOM killer seems to be on holiday
1905[16:17:55] <BanHammor> do you use -Xmx appropriate numbers
1906[16:18:37] <sdeco> BanHammor: yup, 6144m for a 12GB RAM system
1907[16:18:45] <jhutchin1_wk> sdeco: I would guess that one or more of your java processes has a "memory leak" and fails to properly release RAM.
1908[16:18:50] <sdeco> so, under half. Of course there's a bit of overhead because Java is what it is
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1910[16:19:10] <jhutchin1_wk> sdeco: Isolate the processes to identify the offender; restart the system periodically to clear the leak.
1911[16:19:22] <BanHammor> okay, so is Java's actual use close to 6144m?
1912[16:19:38] <sdeco> BanHammor: 13G virt, 6.78Gres
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1914[16:19:47] <greycat> Or restart the offending service, instead of the entire system.
1915[16:20:05] <BanHammor> sdeco, seems like the thing that's running out of memory is Java itself, not the system
1916[16:20:10] <sdeco> jhutchin1_wk: it's an option here because i'm on a testing server, but our production server has the same architecture and our (non-linux-experts) sysadmins havent been able to figure this out for months
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1919[16:20:21] <sdeco> BanHammor: the system is swapping though!
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1922[16:22:04] <jhutchin1_wk> sdeco: It's a pretty normal condition for a multi-process java system.
1923[16:22:34] <sdeco> /proc/meminfo says only ~6.5G are allocated to a memory map so I do assume there's a single memory map used by all the java processes
1924[16:22:41] <JyZyXEL> the performance of a system that is under high memory pressure and swapping is abysmal
1925[16:23:12] <greycat> JyZyXEL: we all know that; that's not helpful. Help him figure out which process(es) are at fault.
1926[16:23:37] * greycat is betting on the one that says "java" and "13 GB of virtual memory"
1927[16:24:38] <sdeco> greycat: it is obviously Java :D the question for me is how
1928[16:25:31] <greycat> If the java program (or java itself) leaks, then restart it periodically.
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1930[16:25:46] <greycat> Meanwhile, try to get whoever wrote the program to fix the leaks. (Good luck with that.)
1931[16:26:30] <BanHammor> sdeco, so does htop shed any light on what's eating up the rest of RAM?
1932[16:26:34] <petn-randall> The -Xmx setting is per *process*. So if you're running more than one, you'll run out of RAM.
1933[16:26:57] <sdeco> greycat: whether it's apache's fault or my back-end colleagues, that route is unlikely.
1934[16:27:01] <BanHammor> (htop output is color coded for type of ram it uses)
1935[16:27:01] <sdeco> BanHammor: no, still wondering
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1937[16:27:53] <sdeco> the core issue is: free says all my ram is used (and only 200M go to kernel cache) / i dont quite understand /proc/meminfo / top and htop say all my ram is used but if I sum all the visible processes, I reach ~55-60%
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1939[16:28:17] <BanHammor> htop color coding goes green used/blue buffers/ orange cached
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1941[16:28:32] <sdeco> BanHammor: it's all gree
1942[16:28:53] <BanHammor> sdeco, are you running htop as root?
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1944[16:29:09] <sdeco> replaced-url
1945[16:29:11] <sdeco> BanHammor: yup
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1948[16:30:57] <BanHammor> so in tree view, that's all the same java process?
1949[16:31:02] <kamo_> everytime I boot, I get this message replaced-url
1950[16:31:02] <sdeco> Sigh, and it's gone down to 9G used now though the /proc/meminfo output is nearly identical and the used swap is the same.
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1952[16:31:53] <BanHammor> sdeco, swap only gets released when the application quits or its memory gets used, to force release you can use swapoff -a
1953[16:32:14] <greycat> I very seriously doubt he can do a swapoff -a without killing that java monster first.
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1955[16:32:24] <sdeco> BanHammor: yes it is the same
1956[16:32:49] <sdeco> greycat: i'll tidy up in due time, i want to understand what's up before i kill java
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1963[16:34:15] <m0rd3cai> kamo_: are you stilll getting this message everytime you debian boots after installation?
1964[16:34:30] <kamo_> m0rd3cai: Yes
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1966[16:35:31] <m0rd3cai> deb 8 or 9?
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1968[16:35:48] <sdeco> replaced-url
1969[16:36:06] <sdeco> i dont understand how it differs from the other one ~15 minutes ago. Yet nearly 2G of memory "re-appeared"
1970[16:36:15] <kamo_> m0rd3cai: deb 9
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1976[16:38:40] <m0rd3cai> ok, i had to do the same with my laptop. what command are you using to use wifi when you boot?
1977[16:39:07] <kamo_> m0rd3cai: what command>
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1982[16:40:57] <kamo_> is it okay if I remove the thumbdrive which containes my /boot after successfully booting up the machine? Or do I have to keep it plugged in? And what happnes if grub gets an update?
1983[16:41:11] <kamo_> m0rd3cai: are you installing debian for the first time too?
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1987[16:42:15] <FinalX> kamo_: if you run update-grub (either via package upgrade or not), you'll need it. and if the machine accidentally reboots for some reason (power failure, for example), it won't be able to boot without it
1988[16:42:36] <FinalX> unless you made booting work through some other way
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1991[16:43:12] <kamo_> FinalX: ah I see, but it's okay if i pull it out after my system boots up right
1992[16:43:13] <kamo_> ?
1993[16:43:25] <greycat> kamo_: you'll need to reattach/remount /boot every time you run an apt* command that regens one of the initramfs images.
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1996[16:43:59] <greycat> kamo_: which is obviously all kernel updates, but also some less obvious things like udev, systemd, I don't even know what else
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1999[16:44:50] <FinalX> kamo_: in short, we wouldn't recommend it
2000[16:44:51] <kamo_> greycat: like even apt-get install* ?
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2002[16:45:12] <greycat> If you install something that causes update-grub to run, or causes one of the initrd images to be regenned, yes.
2003[16:45:24] <kamo_> FinalX: so, keep the thumdrive sticked in till shutdown?
2004[16:45:25] <FinalX> no, but system packages that are upgraded that need something in /boot (like grub stuff, initramfs images, etc), will fail
2005[16:45:45] <kamo_> ok
2006[16:46:53] <greycat> And needing a dongle every time you boot... that's just weird.
2007[16:47:30] <kamo_> greycat: maybe it's just useful for those peeps who fde?
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2010[16:48:26] <sdeco> I killed Java. If I sum all my processes, they use 0.6% of my 12GB ram, yet I have 1.4GB used. What is going on!?
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2012[16:48:47] <sdeco> Is it any relevant that this server is a virtual machine? could there be some issues with how RAM is reported by the VMM?
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2015[16:49:12] <kai_w> is it possible to set subuid/subgid with LDAP? so it is consistent across machines like my normal UID?
2016[16:49:23] <greycat> Your imgur thingy said "docker".
2017[16:49:40] <tw> sdeco: all kinds of caching done by the kernel, totally normal even on bare metal.
2018[16:50:12] <sdeco> tw: Linux says it currently uses 400M cache but I see 1.4G
2019[16:50:25] <sdeco> A bit earlier, when I came into the channel, Linux said it used 200M and I was missing 6G
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2021[16:51:05] <kamo_> is it possible to install debian with another init rather than systemd?
2022[16:51:32] <greycat> No.
2023[16:51:39] <greycat> But you can SWITCH to a different init after the install.
2024[16:51:40] <kamo_> just straight up no?
2025[16:51:59] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
2026[16:51:59] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
2027[16:52:06] <kamo_> greycat: oh but then that would be even harder than getting rid of gnome, right?
2028[16:52:18] <tw> it's like 3 commands, so no.
2029[16:52:27] <kamo_> ah okay
2030[16:52:37] <kamo_> is this documented somewhere?
2031[16:52:41] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
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2033[16:52:41] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
2034[16:53:12] <jhutchin1_wk> Actually, if /boot is unmounted, packages that need to write to it will just write to the root partion under the mount point. You will end up with a confused system.
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2038[16:54:23] <kamo_> greycat: yes, I get it but maybe under the debian wiki or somewhere?
2039[16:54:33] <tw> sdeco: it's your time, I guess. If it's not being used as rss, shared memory, or cache, it's probably allocated in the kernel somewhere. You can check slabtop for those allocations.
2040[16:54:41] <tw> sdeco: but if you don't have memory pressure, I'd ignore it.
2041[16:54:51] <tw> you're tuning way too early to be useful.
2042[16:55:02] <kamo_> jhutchin1_wk: oh, i didn't know that! Thanks!
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2045[16:55:56] <sdeco> tw: the system swaps a lot and is regularly unusable due to that; I took a snap of the slabtop output when it occurred but I don't know what to look for: replaced-url
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2047[16:56:16] <greycat> The wiki has this, but I have no idea whether it works: replaced-url
2048[16:56:17] <kamo_> jhutchin1_wk: can't you just write all those files to grub the next time you boot with it?
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2050[16:56:29] <kamo_> greycat: okay thanks!
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2052[16:56:39] <greycat> You insane sysvinit people are going to be on your own with a lot of this, more so as the years go by.
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2055[16:57:54] <kamo_> greycat: sure. I mean it's inevitable that systemd will rule or should I say it already is. :D
2056[16:59:13] <FinalX> I didn't like systemd at first, but it certainly has its advantages next to its disadvantaged and "We are the Borg"-attitude (mass assimilation).
2057[16:59:20] <FinalX> s*
2058[16:59:30] <tw> Depends on if there's ever a purge of sysvinit scripts in debian, or if upstreams cease maintaining them for bsd/unix ports.
2059[16:59:50] <greycat> I'd imagine they simply start bit-rotting instead of being purged.
2060[16:59:58] <FinalX> Some software doesn't come with sysvinit scripts anymore, and/or never did (only systemd).
2061[17:00:00] <tw> That's my guess too.
2062[17:00:05] <tw> (bitrot)
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2064[17:00:50] <tw> <- crazy sysvinit person, but only for headless VMs.
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2093[17:14:56] <m0rd3cai> So debian 9 is doing something weird. everytime i shut laptop lid or lock the screen, it just stays black. To get my screen back i have to hit CTRL+ALT+F1 everytime. Has anyone else had this?
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2095[17:15:33] <jelly> it should be possible to install stretch w/ sysvinit as well, it was possible with jessie...
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2114[17:25:33] <sdeco> Thanks everyone for the help you offered.
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2120[17:26:53] <ChasticFy> hey good day guys
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2127[17:30:10] <ChasticFy> anybody knows a good debian with support that runs between kernel 2.6.18 ~ 3.10.10 or at? i need to run couple of python scripts on that and need to install loads of software on it from kali respository for testing. i all has to deal with driver for tp-en823n thats only supoorted for those kernels from tp-link website
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2131[17:30:31] <ChasticFy> sorry its the tp-wn823n
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2136[17:32:20] <ChasticFy> in short i need an debian kernel 3.10.10 with support
2137[17:32:21] <greycat> wheezy is still in LTS support, but not for much longer
2138[17:32:27] <ChasticFy> okey nice
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2141[17:32:53] <greycat> ,kernels
2142[17:32:54] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); buster: 4.16.0-1-686-pae (4.16.5-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
2143[17:32:55] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.101-1)
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2145[17:32:59] <ChasticFy> that is not a problem a month will be long enough
2146[17:33:25] <ChasticFy> oh nope that to high
2147[17:33:37] <ChasticFy> let me search it real quick
2148[17:33:58] <kamo_> So, everytime I boot, I get this message replaced-url
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2150[17:34:51] <petn-randall> ChasticFy: If you need Kali repos, why not just use Kali?
2151[17:35:10] <ChasticFy> i could not find a kali with 3.10.10
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2153[17:35:25] <greycat> 3.2.0 is too high?
2154[17:35:30] <ChasticFy> yes
2155[17:35:44] <ChasticFy> replaced-url
2156[17:35:45] <greycat> but 3.10.10 is NOT too high, even though 3.10 is higher than 3.2?
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2158[17:35:59] <ChasticFy> what for real
2159[17:36:08] <ChasticFy> oh super
2160[17:36:13] <ChasticFy> sorry
2161[17:36:21] <ChasticFy> dit not notice that
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2164[17:38:43] <tw> jelly: stretch + sysvinit it is possible. Works fine as far as I can tell.
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2168[17:39:33] <kamo_> tw: are you using it?
2169[17:39:38] <tw> yes.
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2171[17:40:04] <petn-randall> tw: The paranoid people will whine over libsystemd0 still being installed, though.
2172[17:40:11] <kamo_> and greycat the link which you sent clearly mentions there will be traces of systemd even after moving to sysv, so... you were right
2173[17:40:36] <kamo_> petn-randall: what's that? A library sure but what does it do really?
2174[17:40:46] <jelly> tw: sure, but someone said it wasn't possible to install it that way right from the start
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2176[17:40:54] <kamo_> tw: did you manage to clean out the so called "traces? ?
2177[17:41:10] <jelly> kamo_: why would you care about "traces"?
2178[17:41:15] <petn-randall> kamo_: The real question is, why do you want to replace your working init system with one from 1970?
2179[17:41:20] <jelly> do they break functionality?
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2182[17:42:01] <kamo_> and petn-randall can you help me out with this? So, everytime I boot, I get this message replaced-url
2183[17:42:10] <tw> kamo_: no. libsystemd0 is installed, lots of stuff wants it.
2184[17:42:31] <kamo_> petn-randall: yeah, makes sense.
2185[17:42:33] <petn-randall> kamo_: Why are you highlighting me with your issue?
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2187[17:42:58] <kamo_> petn-randall: sorry? :\
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2189[17:43:09] <ChasticFy> greycat do you know out of your head what versions that would be of kali
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2191[17:43:16] <petn-randall> kamo_: What do you mean with everytime you boot?
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2193[17:43:45] <kamo_> tw: oh, okay. by lots of stuff you mean everything basically
2194[17:44:01] <kamo_> petn-randall: everytime I start the machine
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2196[17:44:36] <petn-randall> kamo_: That's from the installer, or not?
2197[17:45:13] <kamo_> petn-randall: no. I took the pic just so that I could ask it after I successfully installed debian. So, hear I am.
2198[17:45:43] <tw> kamo_: both bsdutils and util-linux need it and you're not doing anything without them.
2199[17:46:04] <kamo_> tw: Ahhh, inescapable.
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2205[17:47:39] <kamo_> petn-randall: I'm not really sure why I keep getting them errors everytime I start the machine though. As in right after I type in my fde passphrase
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2209[17:49:34] <petn-randall> kamo_: Just like libc6 is inescapable.
2210[17:51:29] <kamo_> petn-randall: sure
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2212[17:52:54] <petn-randall> kamo_: Are you sure you're not accidentally booting from the installer image? I've never seen that message on a regular installation.
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2215[17:53:58] <jelly> kamo_: if your wifi is working and you have firmware-iwlwifi package installed, you can ignore the firmware related messages. Linux kernel driver is written to try and look for every possible firmware and some hardware has mutiple options.
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2217[17:54:25] <petn-randall> jelly: Have you ever seen this message on a regular installation?
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2219[17:55:12] <jelly> petn-randall: not the dialog one, but I'm assuming they're talking about boot-time kernel messages in the console, not this exact screen
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2226[17:58:20] <kamo_> jelly: yes, it is a boot-time kernel message.
2227[17:58:50] <kamo_> petn-randall: no im not booting from an installer image
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2230[17:59:29] <petn-randall> kamo_: What screen do you get after hitting enter?
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2240[18:00:33] <kamo_> hitting enter where exactly? oh after hitting enter on the grub distro choice menu? it automatically boots and asks for my fde password
2241[18:00:51] <jelly> kamo_: you can't easily escape kernel messages overwriting the simple text-based LUKS passphrase prompt if that's what you find most annoying
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2246[18:01:17] <jelly> esp. if you remove the "quiet" boot parameter
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2248[18:01:43] <poranek> anybody can help me convert font package to Debian?
2249[18:02:05] <jelly> poranek: maybe, what kind of font package?
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2253[18:02:38] <kamo_> jelly: well, no the message before I get asked for fde passphrase
2254[18:02:49] <poranek> @jelly artifical font
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2257[18:03:03] <jelly> kamo_: then you're lucky. My prompt gets overwritten with crap
2258[18:03:16] <jelly> poranek: are they not all artificial?
2259[18:03:22] <kamo_> jelly: with what message exactly?
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2261[18:03:50] <jelly> kamo_: dozens of kernel lines, doesn't really matter which
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2263[18:04:18] <jelly> (try booting without quiet, you'll probably have a similar experience)
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2266[18:04:28] <ChasticFy> who knows a place where i can download kali with kernel 3.2
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2268[18:04:46] <kamo_> and jelly i cannot use my thinkpads mousepad to select anything I need to click on the dedicated left-right keys on the mousepad to select things under debian. Why is it?
2269[18:05:03] <poranek> @jelly Description: Conscript (artifical font) letters consist of vertical and horizontal bars.
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2276[18:06:13] <poranek> @jelly can You help me? I have rpm
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2280[18:07:25] <jelly> poranek: if it's a ttf you can just put it in /usr/local/share/fonts/ or ~/.fonts/ and run "fc-cache" or log off and back on.
2281[18:07:32] <poranek> but completly don know how making debian package
2282[18:08:02] <poranek> @jelly ;-) yes, I ask about package, how creating package
2283[18:08:56] <kamo_> jelly: booting with "quite" where would I turn that on?
2284[18:09:21] <ChasticFy> or how i can downgrade a 2018.2 kali linux kernel
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2290[18:10:52] <jelly> poranek: oh, if you want to package your own fonts... dunno, I'd probably start with replaced-url
2291[18:11:04] <jelly> ChasticFy: ask in kali channel,
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2293[18:11:06] <jelly> !kali
2294[18:11:06] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2295[18:11:12] <ChasticFy> wildo
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2298[18:11:32] <poranek> this is not my font, I found package on fedora and need it on debian
2299[18:12:07] <poranek> I'm not reading english doc.
2300[18:12:15] <r3> !based on debian
2301[18:12:15] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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2304[18:13:03] <jelly> poranek: if you just need to use the font, you don't need to package it, just put it in the right dir
2305[18:13:38] <poranek> i know
2306[18:14:07] <jelly> so I don't get it. Either you want to package it, and there are instructions, or you don't.
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2309[18:14:59] <poranek> @jelly no, this is not only instructions. i need sponsor package, know how put this....
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2311[18:16:23] <jelly> poranek: you want it to be included in Debian?
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2316[18:16:55] <poranek> @jelly Yes
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2319[18:16:59] <BCMM> poranek: what is the font?
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2321[18:17:08] <poranek> replaced-url
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2324[18:17:33] <poranek> this is free licence font in ttf (very specific)
2325[18:18:13] <jelly> that will require reading even more docs in English
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2328[18:19:05] <poranek> in english I link all docs
2329[18:19:24] <poranek> You can writing in english in this font
2330[18:19:26] <Psi-Jack> Was Retpoline or similar mitigations for Spectre added to Debian 8?
2331[18:19:43] <jelly> Psi-Jack: you can look up specific CVE numbers at the
2332[18:19:45] <Psi-Jack> And possibly Debian 7?
2333[18:19:46] <jelly> !tracker of doom
2334[18:19:46] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
2335[18:20:08] <kamo_> jelly: I cannot use my thinkpads mousepad to select anything I need to click on the dedicated left-right keys on the mousepad to select things under debian. Why is it?
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2337[18:20:42] <BCMM> poranek: why do you need this font to be in debian?
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2339[18:20:50] <jelly> kamo_: I have no idea. I disable the mousepad on my own thinkpad, hate the thing
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2341[18:20:58] <BCMM> poranek: it seems like it is of very narrow interest
2342[18:21:08] <kamo_> jelly: what do you use then? A wireless mouse?
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2344[18:21:17] <jelly> kamo_: the trackpoint.
2345[18:21:20] <poranek> @BCMM 0. because I use it. 1. because is funny ;-) and have good licence
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2347[18:21:29] <BCMM> poranek: why do you say that, about the licence?
2348[18:21:31] <jelly> and its three physical buttons
2349[18:21:41] <BCMM> poranek: your link does not show any licensing information that i can find
2350[18:21:43] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh, yes, Cool. Thanks jelly
2351[18:22:00] <kamo_> jelly: you cannot select using a trackpoint can you?
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2354[18:22:04] <poranek> @BCMM because in Debian only font with good licence will be packed
2355[18:22:17] <jelly> poranek: you have the basic instructions on how to package it. Realize that maintaining a package in Debian is some work and someone has to do it.
2356[18:22:21] * poranek i think
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2359[18:23:06] <poranek> @jelly can You write this sentence second time? I'm not undestand
2360[18:23:08] <BCMM> poranek: but what *is* the licence?
2361[18:23:17] <jelly> poranek: if you're willing to do this work, you could look for a sponsor in #debian-fonts or #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net, same thing)
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2363[18:23:19] <BCMM> poranek: you keep saying it has a good licence, but i don't see any evidence of that
2364[18:23:32] <jelly> BCMM: the tarball says it's OFL
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2366[18:24:04] <jelly> poranek: different irc server, not here on freenode
2367[18:24:06] <BCMM> jelly: huh, i didn't find a tarball... ok.
2368[18:24:34] <jhutchin1_wk> poranek: Putting @ in front of a nick may cause it not to highlight for the user. Just use the nick (use tab completion).
2369[18:24:37] <jelly> BCMM: it's literally the first link on the font's web page, the first thing poranek linked
2370[18:25:13] <kamo_> jelly: how do you make the boot messages to "quite"?
2371[18:25:15] <jelly> > Dostępny jest też font TTF (1.5) replaced-url
2372[18:25:25] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, though Spectre V1 got patched in D7, Spectre V2 did not. :/
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2374[18:25:27] <poranek> @BCMM in link is: Font Software is Copyright (c) 2014, SIL International (replaced-url
2375[18:25:37] <jelly> kamo_: quiet is there by default. You can remove it (and I remove it)
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2377[18:25:58] <poranek> @BCMM I think the licence is inside font
2378[18:26:02] <BCMM> jelly: oh right, inside the .spec. sorry.
2379[18:26:21] <kamo_> jelly: no like where would I go and switch it on?
2380[18:26:38] <jelly> kamo_: you can 'e'dit while in grub menu, or you can change the default kernel boot parameters by editing /etc/default/grub and running update-grub
2381[18:26:55] <kamo_> okay
2382[18:26:56] <jelly> kamo_: it's switched on by default unless you messed with it
2383[18:27:15] <kamo_> well, it does show that wifi drivers not found message each time so..
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2385[18:27:29] <jelly> Psi-Jack: are you sure? I think 3.2.101-1 package fixed it
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2387[18:27:49] <Psi-Jack> It's listed as vulnerable in the DSA.
2388[18:27:50] <jelly> which cve is that one
2389[18:28:06] <Psi-Jack> CVE-2017-5753
2390[18:28:07] <jelly> Psi-Jack: DSA does not cover wheezy.
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2392[18:28:15] <jelly> wheezy is under LTS support
2393[18:28:24] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.
2394[18:28:31] <jelly> !cve lookup CVE-2017-5753
2395[18:28:31] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2017-5753 may be found at replaced-url
2396[18:29:17] <Psi-Jack> We're looking to upgrade anyway, but this just enforces it. ;)
2397[18:29:40] <jelly> unless ELTS happens wheezy will be really-EOL this month anyway
2398[18:31:01] <jelly> I'm not sure why that lists vulnerable, it's possible the mitigations were not backported completely
2399[18:31:46] <jelly> 3.2.101-1 however says
2400[18:31:49] <jelly> /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v2:Mitigation: Full generic retpoline
2401[18:32:13] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I'm guessing it's not fully backported.
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2403[18:32:45] <jelly> I guess the web isn't updated. benh had to backport gcc-4.9 to get retpolines working and they're there now...
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2406[18:33:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
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2420[18:38:42] <jelly> changelog entry says "partial mitigation of CVE-2017-5753" twice
2421[18:38:54] <jelly> so it's probably as good as you'll get
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2426[18:40:34] <Psi-Jack> Partial? Heh okay. That says something at least.
2427[18:41:31] <jelly> it says "3.2 is so old it's not worth trying to backport all this crap even when you're paid to"
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2430[18:42:19] <Psi-Jack> Well, it's a good thing we are planning to upgrade. Tis why I'm doing audits on the whole thing. LOL
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2434[18:43:23] <jelly> you can easily bump just the kernel if you need to
2435[18:44:07] <jelly> that's nothing, I have about 50 debians older than 7.0
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2442[18:46:00] <Psi-Jack> heh
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2444[18:46:03] <Psi-Jack> Yep.
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2446[18:46:28] <Psi-Jack> Just gotta be careful. We do a lot of Xen and DRBD stuff, at the moment. Though I'm also working on completely changing architexture. :)
2447[18:46:37] <Psi-Jack> architecture*
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2454[18:49:47] <angry_route> Hey guys! Does anyone has any experience with dnscrypt-proxy? I'm running Unbound with DNS-over-TLS at the moment, but it seems that DNS-over-HTTPS is better?
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2456[18:50:23] <Psi-Jack> DoT is better, DoH is just lame. :)
2457[18:50:29] <angry_route> As a warning I'm not very skillful with this whole DNS thing
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2460[18:51:43] <angry_route> DoT would be preferred as it has a solid implementation on current Unbound right?
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2462[18:52:47] <angry_route> The whole thing of manually installing even cloudflared, or dnscrypt-proxy and maintaining it's a pain :)
2463[18:53:30] <Psi-Jack> DoT actually has a RFC for standards for it started. DoH does not last I checked, nor should it, since it implements too many protocols.
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2469[18:54:46] <angry_route> got it! And regarding my Unbound config, I've used a example I've found over Calomel, it's using Cloudflare as the resolver, so that means that qname-minimisation is not possible right?
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2496[19:03:37] <DenisBenato> hello, I need support, because the laptop wifi gives me troubles
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2499[19:03:58] <Psi-Jack> Is it an Intel or Atheros WNIC?
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2501[19:04:05] <DenisBenato> Qualcomm
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2503[19:04:20] <DenisBenato> wait, i am going to ssh into lapotp
2504[19:04:25] <DenisBenato> I will give you lspci
2505[19:04:28] <Psi-Jack> Qualcomm == Atheros
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2508[19:05:07] <Psi-Jack> Well, other way around anwyay.
2509[19:05:22] <DenisBenato> I'm sorry
2510[19:05:52] <DenisBenato> 03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 30)
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2512[19:06:21] <DenisBenato> for some strange reasons yestarday on gnome it started working.....
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2514[19:06:30] <DenisBenato> than I erased the disk
2515[19:06:36] <DenisBenato> reinstalled with cinammon
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2517[19:06:46] <DenisBenato> and.... It don't works anymore
2518[19:06:48] <DenisBenato> but
2519[19:07:01] <DenisBenato> it didn't worked out of the box
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2521[19:07:08] <DenisBenato> even yestarday
2522[19:07:21] <DenisBenato> and... I can't remember what I have done to make it work
2523[19:07:38] <DenisBenato> it doesn't*
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2525[19:08:16] <DenisBenato> so I am stuck with the realtek ethernet
2526[19:08:29] <DenisBenato> and it's not fun
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2569[19:41:14] <jhutchin1_wk> !cinammon
2570[19:41:26] <jhutchin1_wk> !cinamon
2571[19:41:26] <dpkg> Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. replaced-url
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2573[19:41:57] <jhutchin1_wk> DenisBenato: Gnome usually runs the Network Manager applet automatically, you may need to manually enable it with cinamon.
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2575[19:42:11] <jhutchin1_wk> DenisBenato: What have you tried so far?
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2581[19:46:49] <rsturm> petn-randall: still around?
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2587[19:50:27] <jelly> !QCA9377
2588[19:51:03] <jelly> DenisBenato: what about "lspci -nn"? The pci id [xxxx:xxxx] is useful
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2597[19:54:38] <annadane> anyone know off-hand how debian sets up the default size of swap in the installer?
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2609[19:59:00] <LtL> annadane: way to big, about 13GB on my 1TB drive.
2610[20:00:05] <LtL> annadane: i don't even use swap to make it even sillier.
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2615[20:00:18] <Tegu> what I haeve messed with virtual debians, the swap size seems to be related to RAM size. I don'tremember if it was equal or smaller
2616[20:00:20] <annadane> AFAIK it's really for suspend/hibernate
2617[20:00:34] <annadane> and potential lockup scenarios?
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2622[20:01:53] <LtL> annadane: i suspect you're correct on that.
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2624[20:02:30] <annadane> the general consensus seems to be that swap in general, is less relevant these days
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2626[20:02:36] <annadane> why that's the case, i don't know
2627[20:02:46] <annadane> i know not everyone agrees on this subject generally
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2630[20:03:17] <bug> lots of cheap ram is why
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2632[20:03:41] <LtL> annadane: with RAM reasonably priced, the machine doesn't often need swap if enough ram and cpu is available.
2633[20:03:52] <kamo_> hey! anyone try updating the bios on a thinkpad e450?
2634[20:04:04] <rsturm> LtL: how is that related to cpu resources?
2635[20:04:45] <LtL> rsturm: less ram is needed if the cpu can easily handle load. afaik
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2639[20:05:53] <rsturm> ok, i guess it depends on the use case...
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2641[20:06:07] <LtL> rsturm: i'm sure, yes.
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2644[20:06:40] <annadane> 99% of people can probably just stick to the default size
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2646[20:06:58] <annadane> unless you're a data hoarder, which i won't pretend that i'm not ...
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2648[20:07:36] <bug> if you use hibernate you need slightly more swap than your ram. otherwise whatever you decide you need or don't need.
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2651[20:11:01] <tw> for hibernate, you only need slightly more swap than your active ram, minimum 20% of your total ram.
2652[20:11:22] <tw> If you have too much ram in use though, it fails.
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2664[20:16:37] <dreamon_> hello want to build mpv → replaced-url
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2669[20:18:36] <dreamon_> tried to install autoreconf, automake, autoconf.. not found..
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2756[20:31:38] <LtL> dreamon_: could it be 'build-essential' isn't installed? just a guess
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2758[20:32:34] <dreamon_> LtL, already installed newest version
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2784[20:38:41] <poranek> anybody can help convert font rpm package to debian.
2785[20:39:05] <mutante> poranek: there is the "alien" package. alien -d some.rpm or so.. and knock on wood
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2787[20:39:42] <poranek> mutante: alien cant convert package and publich it into repository
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2790[20:40:22] <mutante> poranek: it can convert packages. publishing packages to repos is a task for something like "reprepro", kind of a separate task
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2795[20:41:13] <mutante> replaced-url
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2797[20:41:46] <poranek> mutante: ok, can You tell me how convert this packahe? replaced-url
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2800[20:42:17] <poranek> this is regular package
2801[20:42:34] <poranek> is source and binary
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2806[20:43:14] <pomdeter> Hello I just installed debian 9, I followed these instructions to install amdgpu : replaced-url
2807[20:43:20] <pomdeter> lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D|Display' 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Hemlock [Radeon HD 5970] Subsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology Hemlock [Radeon HD 5970] Kernel driver in use: radeon Kernel modules: radeon -- 04:00.0 Display controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Hemlock [Radeon HD 5970] Subsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology Hemlock [Radeon HD
2808[20:43:42] <pomdeter> is it normal?
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2811[20:44:26] <mandeep> adding PPAs to stable is still frowned upon right?
2812[20:44:38] <greycat> to any release of Debian
2813[20:44:43] <LtL> mandeep: right
2814[20:44:44] <mandeep> greycat: thanks
2815[20:44:49] <mutante> poranek: apt-get install alien ; wget replaced-url
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2817[20:44:54] <mandeep> LtL: thanks
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2819[20:45:31] <poranek> mutatate: and what next? how publish it in debian?
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2821[20:46:15] <mandeep> what about this if i want to create a package for debian: replaced-url
2822[20:46:44] <thescientist> Does anyone know how to setup "Natural Scrolling"? I tried a few methods but without much luck.
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2826[20:48:51] <pomdeter> Is it possible to install amdgpu on debian 9?
2827[20:49:13] <mutante> poranek: publish in your own repo: install reprepro and then something like "reprepro -C main includedeb stretch your.deb"
2828[20:49:18] <greycat> ,v xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
2829[20:49:19] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.2.0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.2.0-1+b1; buster: 18.0.1-1; sid: 18.0.1-1
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2834[20:49:52] <mutante> poranek: publish in Debian: eh.. whole different story, the answer to that is "find a sponsor"
2835[20:50:18] <pomdeter> so : sudo apt install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu and that's it?
2836[20:50:27] <greycat> It's probably already installed.
2837[20:51:15] <pomdeter> but lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D|Display' tells me the driver is radeon?
2838[20:51:36] <pomdeter> not amdgpu
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2840[20:51:51] <greycat> The next question is whether -amdgpu 1.2.0-1+b1 supports your particular hardware.
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2843[20:52:26] <pomdeter> [AMD/ATI] Hemlock [Radeon HD 5970]
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2847[20:54:03] <greycat> replaced-url
2848[20:54:20] <DenisBenato> jhutchin1_wk jelly I have solved
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2851[20:54:43] <DenisBenato> sorry for the afk
2852[20:54:59] <DenisBenato> the solution was quite simple
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2855[20:55:11] <DenisBenato> installing firmare-atheros did the trick
2856[20:55:13] <DenisBenato> however
2857[20:55:22] <pomdeter> ok, so I should stay with radeon then thanks a lot for time and answers :)
2858[20:55:40] <DenisBenato> I tought it would automatically do modprobe
2859[20:55:50] <DenisBenato> and... load itself into the kernel
2860[20:56:01] <poranek> mutante: can You help me?
2861[20:56:05] <DenisBenato> but I was wrong: a restart is needed
2862[20:56:19] <jelly> !win DenisBenato
2863[20:56:19] <dpkg> Congratulations, DenisBenato! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island!
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2868[20:56:58] <mutante> poranek: the best i have is you should start reading here: replaced-url
2869[20:57:13] <mutante> poranek: if you want to start making your own actual Debian packages that are part of Debian
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2872[20:58:12] <mutante> i am not a DD myself but you should start there and try to find an existing maintainer of other font packages maybe and become his co-maintainer. replaced-url
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2875[20:59:11] <DenisBenato> jelly and.... I think I will be back soon
2876[20:59:19] <JohnA> My laptop has just died, 9yr old HP pavilion. Suggestions for replacement
2877[20:59:35] <DenisBenato> nvidia 920m with optimus...... kernel panic on laptop lid reopen
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2879[20:59:54] <DenisBenato> at least, that happened with EVERY distro 4 months ago
2880[21:00:00] <mutante> JohnA: Thinkpad
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2883[21:01:01] <LtL> JohnA: what died on it? drives are easy to replace
2884[21:01:23] <JohnA> mutante: Thnx, I had not thought of them.
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2886[21:02:03] <webchat178> Hi, i have a mini server on localhost:5232 but i cant access it from its local ip, how can i do it?
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2889[21:02:19] <mutante> JohnA: the Thinkpad X1 is very portable but still decent battery life and it wins in the "business laptop" categories. hardware all just works.. except unfortunately you need non-free module for wifi chipset but that's it
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2891[21:02:34] <JohnA> LtL: Looks like either the screen or the video, Won't start took the disks out the work fine my Debian Desktop.
2892[21:02:43] <greycat> webchat178: if you mean, "I can't connect to it from other hosts on the LAN", make sure it listens to all interfaces (0.0.0.0) instead of just localhost (127.0.0.1)
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2894[21:03:00] <bites> i would wait for a deal if you want a new thinkpad. they are way overpriced still, the latest release was recent.
2895[21:03:17] <DenisBenato> uhm jelly, seems like no kernel panic on lid-reopen with bumblebee. I gues.... maybe... I can reproduce the panic with glxgears running in an nVidia?
2896[21:03:20] <mutante> it doesnt have to be the latest "gen". there are like 5 or 6 generations of it
2897[21:03:23] <DenisBenato> the nVidia*
2898[21:03:31] <JohnA> bites: my problem is I need one soonish
2899[21:03:44] <mutante> consider buying "refurbished"
2900[21:04:11] <mutante> can be one of the older generation X1s but still be very nice compared to that 9 year old one
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2902[21:04:24] <DenisBenato> jelly: I have a stupid acer laptop. Want to help me killink the kernel?
2903[21:04:32] <DenisBenato> killing*
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2905[21:05:03] <DenisBenato> IMHO the nvidia drivers are going to make some bad joke at me
2906[21:05:11] <DenisBenato> let's find out
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2911[21:07:20] <webchat178> greycat: ty, that was the problem hehe
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2931[21:13:37] <poranek> mutatate:I no need will be maitaner, i need only one font
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2942[21:16:52] <poranek> mutante:
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2944[21:17:48] <Bosma> I have a systemd system service running a ruby program. The standard output is shown when I run journalctl without specifying a service (under ruby) but not when I specify the service with -u
2945[21:18:17] <Bosma> it just shows started/stopped
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3020[21:55:09] <DenisBenato> seems like the nvidia kernel driver don't crash/kernel panic anymore on debian
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3052[22:11:50] <alx_fly> how to fix:
3053[22:11:52] <alx_fly> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found
3054[22:11:55] <alx_fly> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
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3081[22:26:36] <nejeeeee> are there any software to render pdf or edit them to other formats?
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3083[22:27:09] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: There are several that display them - aptitude search pdf will find some.
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3085[22:27:34] <nejeeeee> i don't need to display them
3086[22:27:38] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: They were originally designed to be un-editable, like a printed page.
3087[22:28:03] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: Some of the Linux renderers will allow active PDfs - forms that you can fill out. Some don't work.
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3090[22:28:40] <nejeeeee> which one works?
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3092[22:28:44] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: Editing the actual content depends on which of the many formats they're in. Sometimes it's just one big image format. Some OCR programs will attempt to convert them.
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3094[22:29:18] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: I think the editor in Open/Libre office can convert some of them.
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3096[22:29:35] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: The only one that _always_ works is Adobe.
3097[22:30:09] <nejeeeee> libre office takes too much time opening them
3098[22:30:25] <nejeeeee> i have some pdf that won't work on my ereader
3099[22:31:00] <nejeeeee> other works fine
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3102[22:31:42] <mutante> adobe likes it that way
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3107[22:33:48] <nejeeeee> aren't pdf images?
3108[22:33:56] <greycat> no
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3110[22:34:07] <jelly> the text is supposed to be text
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3114[22:34:32] <greycat> Text within a PDF can be encoded as text, or as an image of text if you used some stupid font.
3115[22:34:56] <nejeeeee> i don't think it is the case
3116[22:34:58] <webchat178> hi, do anyone how to solve "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused" after trying to execute: systemctl --user enable .....
3117[22:35:02] <jelly> pdf was supposed to be a sane subset of postscript
3118[22:35:03] <nejeeeee> because they are scanned prints
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3121[22:35:20] <nejeeeee> I'm downloading archive.org pdf
3122[22:35:29] <greycat> webchat178: in what context? Some kind of VM or container and you haven't actually logged in formally?
3123[22:36:28] <greycat> Well yeah, a scanned piece of paper is going to be stored as an image.
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3127[22:37:05] <webchat178> greycat: its a headless server, I've created an user and a service and I'm trying to enable it.
3128[22:37:05] <nejeeeee> replaced-url
3129[22:37:11] <nejeeeee> this for example
3130[22:37:38] <mutante> if only the PDFs were just images: replaced-url
3131[22:37:47] <greycat> webchat178: and you never actually ssh in as this user?
3132[22:38:20] <webchat178> greycat: nope, i just enter as the default user and then sudo su - username
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3134[22:38:48] <greycat> webchat178: if you're trying to set up a service that *runs as* a non-root user, don't use systemctl --user. Just set up a regular service, and put User=whoever in the unit file.
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3136[22:39:02] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: Scanned files don't contain text, they're just images.
3137[22:39:19] <greycat> systemctl --user is for actual logging-in users to configure their own services in their own login sessions.
3138[22:39:37] <nejeeeee> so can i convert them to another format?
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3141[22:40:02] <webchat178> greycat: hmm whats the default folder for services?
3142[22:40:18] <greycat> replaced-url
3143[22:40:20] <jhutchins_wk> It can be informative to open a PDF file with a text editor.
3144[22:40:38] <mutante> nejeeeee: do you want a .txt file or do you want images , or both?
3145[22:40:44] <Squeezer> Hey, I've just installed Debian and there's a nasty bug. 73-usb-net-by-mac.rules would not let me connect to wifi.
3146[22:41:09] <nejeeeee> images
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3148[22:41:42] <mutante> nejeeeee: replaced-url
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3150[22:41:45] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: You may be able to edit them in the gimp.
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3154[22:42:30] <nejeeeee> but it's a 700 pages book!
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3156[22:43:09] <bites> in the calibre package there is an ebook-convert command you can use to convert the pdf to epub. ebook-convert some.pdf some.epub maybe your reader can handle that format better.
3157[22:43:22] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: You coult try calibre, it can convert most ebook formats, but probably not if they're images.
3158[22:43:42] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: You could feed it to an OCR program. Most of them handle PDFs pretty well.
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3160[22:44:38] <mutante> nejeeeee: install the "imagemagick" package and then use the "convert" command. convert your.pdf your.png. also see replaced-url
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3162[22:45:19] <mutante> depending what you want out of it the epub idea is better though
3163[22:45:42] <mutante> i would do png's to then view it with "feh *.png"
3164[22:45:45] <nejeeeee> mutante my final goal is to read these pdf on my ereader
3165[22:45:53] <nejeeeee> i don't think png will work
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3168[22:46:07] <mutante> nejeeeee: then do what bites said
3169[22:46:20] <nejeeeee> calibre conversion isn't that good
3170[22:46:34] <mutante> or maybe there is an online convert for pdf2epub where you just upload to a form
3171[22:46:37] <nejeeeee> i already tried it and some words are lost
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3173[22:47:06] <nejeeeee> i'm reading some pdf images fine
3174[22:47:11] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: You _could_ buy a legitimate copy.
3175[22:47:36] <nejeeeee> jhutchins_wk anything from archive.org won't work
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3177[22:48:03] <jhutchins_wk> That's interesting. I have a lot of ebooks from archive.org. Some of them are good, some are pretty rough.
3178[22:48:31] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: I think we've mostly converted them with calibre.
3179[22:48:34] <nejeeeee> i never trust digital conversion
3180[22:49:11] <nejeeeee> even with good scans there are mistakes
3181[22:49:13] <nejeeeee> like commas
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3183[22:49:57] <mutante> replaced-url
3184[22:50:00] <nejeeeee> what i can't figure out is why some works and other doesn't
3185[22:50:06] <BCMM> i have an ipv4-only internet connection, due to my ISP being stupid and stuff. today, both my IRC client and apt appear to be occasionally trying to connect to the ipv6 address of domains that have both A and AAAA records, causing "network is unreachable" errors. how can i stop this happening?
3186[22:50:21] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: Your choices are to do digital conversion or get a different file.
3187[22:50:35] <nejeeeee> this is why i was asking if there are any software to render pdf
3188[22:50:36] <Dagger> BCMM: make sure your v4 network is reliable and works all the time
3189[22:50:55] <Dagger> if you have no public v6, programs will try v4 first and then fall back to v6 if the v4 fails
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3191[22:52:02] <BCMM> Dagger: the connection *seems* reliable, apart from this issue. sent a few dozen pings with no dropped packets...
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3193[22:52:21] <BCMM> Dagger: would a single dropped packet in a TCP handshake cause failover to the v6 address?
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3195[22:53:07] <greycat> My connection is also v4 only, and I never see any of these v6 issues, and I wouldn't say I have a 100% reliable connection either....
3196[22:53:16] <Dagger> a single packet would normally be retransmitted, but there are various failure modes that might cause all packets from one IP to go missing while packets from other IPs work fine
3197[22:53:17] <mutante> nejeeeee: Adobe has stopped offering Reader for Linux in 2013 unfortunately
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3199[22:53:31] <galex-713> Hi
3200[22:53:46] <galex-713> Is there a way to watch (and download) netflix videos from debian if you have an account?
3201[22:53:56] <mutante> galex-713: yea, chromium
3202[22:54:08] <nejeeeee> let's see if print to file works
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3204[22:54:25] <Dagger> you can try `wget -O/dev/null <URL>`, and see what it prints for the IPs. if you have no v6 then v4 should be listed first, and if it fails to connect over v4 then it'll print error messages
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3206[22:54:28] <mutante> nejeeeee: i was abotu to say that next, yes, you can have print2file, but what are you printing them from , right
3207[22:54:37] <Dagger> but if it's intermittant then catching it might be a bit of a pain
3208[22:54:56] <galex-713> *with free software only
3209[22:55:07] <galex-713> that is, without non free plugin inside chromium or non-free javascript
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3212[22:55:23] <nejeeeee> isn't there a better standard to pdf?
3213[22:55:23] <galex-713> mutante: or, still, can you *download* the video with chromium, so that to watch it later with VLC?
3214[22:55:30] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: mupdf pdfcube qpdfview xpdf, plus gnome and kde have their own viewers.
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3218[22:55:56] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: There are lots of standards for PDFs, and lots of other standards.
3219[22:56:13] <mutante> nejeeeee: replaced-url
3220[22:56:22] <BCMM> nejeeeee: okular is a pretty good PDF reader. i've never had issues with stuff rendering wrong in it
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3222[22:56:55] <mutante> galex-713: i have never tried the download part, i dont know. i was happy enough that it worked at all finally, heh
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3224[22:57:08] <BCMM> nejeeeee: i think acroread has some weird interactive features that okular doesn't support, but very few people are using them (and those that are shouldn't be)
3225[22:57:19] <Dagger> (another possiblity is DNS dropping some responses. you probably never notice when the AAAA response goes missing, but you notice when it's the A response)
3226[22:57:20] <BCMM> also, i really like the way okular copies text and images from pdfs
3227[22:57:24] <mutante> (like digitally signing PDFs)
3228[22:57:29] <jhutchins_wk> nejeeeee: Aptitude search ~dpdf
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3232[22:58:50] <nejeeeee> acroread?
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3240[23:00:43] <BCMM> nejeeeee: "adobe acrobat reader"
3241[23:01:00] <BCMM> nejeeeee: pdf is a pretty good standard for exchanging non-editable documents
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3247[23:01:54] <BCMM> it's close enough to postscript that it can be readily generated from anything that can print, and it reliably renders the same way on different systems (can't be said for .docx for example)
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3250[23:02:24] <nejeeeee> i'm not installing adobe reader
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3257[23:06:00] <nejeeeee> print to file work
3258[23:06:09] <nejeeeee> but page setup is messed up
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3263[23:07:33] <Rockblast> is there some easy online doc somewhere to look up if and when a certain package is getting backport?
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3265[23:08:22] <greycat> Not that I know, but you can ask the bot (judd) if YOU can do your own backport.
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3268[23:08:49] <nejeeeee> okular crash while printing big files
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3270[23:09:14] <galex-713> mutante: yeah but if it works with non-free not-extractible/decryptable DRM you loose your rights so it’s not a good thing
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3276[23:10:39] <nejeeeee> ?
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3280[23:12:52] <Learnerwind> msg NickServ Identify serialstorm
3281[23:13:03] <greycat> password change time!
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3283[23:13:27] <Learnerwind> grey I guess It is
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3285[23:14:25] <nejeeeee> i have another question
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3287[23:14:50] <nejeeeee> on archive.org single scans are also available
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3289[23:15:18] <nejeeeee> how do i convert 100 jpg to a pdf?
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3320[23:33:24] <Vizva> nejeeeee gimp can export to pdf
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3326[23:35:34] <at0m> does ImageMagick (which has "convert" output to pdf?
3327[23:36:10] <at0m> that can be scripted/automated
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3333[23:38:24] <Mateja> Is this an ip script? replaced-url
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3335[23:38:48] <at0m> "ip script"?
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3338[23:39:11] <mutante> you want people to click on it to get their IPs? and to do that you ask whether it's an "ip script" ?:) nice
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3350[23:45:10] <bug> never pass up a good opportunity to not click a link
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3359[23:49:45] <cariveri> Hi. do you know an elegant/easy way to limit a users rights down to only execute/read something specific? user should be allowed to read/write from a git repo directory. nothing more.
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3362[23:50:46] <snugger> Debian doesn't use the linux-libre kernel, right?
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3374[23:53:48] <fmneto> Nope.
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3385[23:57:11] <fmneto> The kernel distributed by Debian comes without "source-less firmware" but it's not Linux Libre.
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3387[23:57:24] <fmneto> replaced-url
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