217[03:12:59] <sponix> sney: Yes.. see I use NVENC for
transcoding/encoding with Plex and OBS -- and thought I saw where
that might break with 5.9
218[03:15:43] <alexrelis[m]> Should I use btrfs? Or should I
stick with EXT4? I heard that btrfs allows for snapshots which
sounds like a handy feature before critical upgrades but I also
heard that snapshots are not backups. I'm still not sure
what's the difference.
219[03:16:06] <sney> sponix: that would be worth testing. I
haven't seen any support questions about transcoding on 5.9
with nvidia-current, so I suspect it does work
220[03:16:46] <sney> alexrelis[m]: correct, snapshots are not
backups, they are more like an 'undo' feature on your
filesystem
221[03:17:48] <sponix> sney: well, I might step my kernel up to
5.9 to try it. But I am NOT attempting Nvidia 455.45.01 again --
That Nvidia doesn't play well with my 960 and cost me a
re-install to get rid of it last time :P
222[03:17:54] <alexrelis[m]> sney: but if I made a snapshot to
an external storage medium, wouldn't that be as good as a
backup?
223[03:18:16] <sney> alexrelis[m]: I'm not sure how btrfs
snapshots work, but possibly
229[03:19:30] <quadrathoch2> alexrelis[m] sadly for now, there
is no way of reusing snapshots which you btrfs send/receive.
it's in the works. so for now, you can only mount them ro, and
then copy files over
232[03:22:53] <alexrelis[m]> quadrathoch2: sney Thanks. One more
question, if I had LVM configured, wouldn't I basically have
the exact same functions as btrfs with snapshots? Or is there
something I'm missing?
233[03:24:33] <sney> you wouldn't have the copy-on-write
stuff but in practical terms, it may not matter
234[03:24:57] <sney> all of this stuff is just tools, pick the
tool that makes sense for you and your system and your environment
238[03:29:35] <sney> ext4 (with or without lvm) is the debian
installer's default for a reason. it'll be just fine for
the majority of systems, yours included, probably. so unless you see
a feature of btrfs that you're reasonably certain would make
your life better, you may as well stick with what you have
239[03:29:43] <sney> but on the other hand, if something seems
cool, why not try it?
346[04:25:55] <backupluis> Hi ppl, I have a problem with my php
site getting a list of files from a folder while qbittorrent is
creating 20gb of files due to torrent download, my php code hangs
until files are created. I think that there must be something at os
level to manage this type of disk concurrent access but I have no
idea, any tip is welcome.
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582[09:33:38] <SpungeBob> but debian is a dumpster fire. way too
weak. Windows 95 is a more secure operating system than debian. I
know this because 48% of debian code contributions originate from
users who are agents of the government
591[09:37:17] <SpungeBob> oiaohm: I will not debate you in open
channel, it is a recipe for a ban on both ends. If you wish to
attempt debate, I will wipe the floor with you - but only in PM
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599[09:46:01] <oiaohm> SpungeBob: To be correct those rules if
you read freenode polices also cover PM. I find it funny that on the
chosen topics you would want a debate with me over it. The fact you
cannot choose the right channel on freenode for the debate shows
pure incompetence off the start line. So I have won before we even
started.
660[10:49:03] <ratrace> unixbsd: open source != libre, and it
seems you're confusing the two. code may be open (sourced) but
locked down with tight conditions and restrictions. or it can be
open (sourced) AND libre ala GPL, copylefts, etc...
669[10:58:15] <jelly> that was for unixbsd, not the troll you
dealt with
670[10:58:48] <oiaohm> jelly: DFSG comes from the Free Software
Foundation's Free Software Definition. OSI was based off the
same thing with alterations.
671[10:59:10] <oiaohm> FSF to DFSG and OSI.
672[10:59:46] <oiaohm> Having a common parrent of course DFSG
and OSI look simular.
673[11:00:05] <jelly> oiaohm: I didn't even say anything
about FSF, but IIRC Perens cloned initial OSI rules from DFSG almost
verbatim
686[11:04:18] <unixbsd> I dont know which one is right one ;) I
try to use source code that is fully free, with source code and
clean website, not for commercial use on other IBMs, Apples,...
spoiling the code.
687[11:05:04] <jelly> you do realize enforcing "not for
commercial use" would MAKE software non-free?
701[11:11:22] <unixbsd> ok, thank you. I will need to read that.
702[11:11:29] <themill> (not that any of this has anything to do
with Debian user support)
703[11:12:17] <unixbsd> indeed, or in some extends, debian is
said to closely focus on given foss , opensource whatever is right
term. (in main branch).
705[11:14:16] <oiaohm> unixbsd: Not for commercial use is never
a practical license. Stupid things come commercial use like writing
a email to your boss.
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707[11:15:30] <unixbsd> This is a great mean, really. commercial
leads to nowhere. luckily this debian was
created/"invented"
708[11:16:17] <jelly> I use Debian for commercial use with great
success, if it did not allow it, I'd use something else
710[11:16:54] <ratrace> same here. and lets not forget that the
ability to use FOSS commercially is #1 reason it still exists and
didn't die as the devs lost free time interest and got a job :)
711[11:16:59] <unixbsd> The most important is that people are
likely to give their source code and to "source"
contribute.
713[11:17:43] <jelly> unixbsd: the most important thing for me
is to bring bread to the tablel being able to use it with free tools
is nice but secondary
715[11:18:02] <oiaohm> Being paid to support that code due to
commercial use does help. Of course license like GPL saying you
must/should release source has it place.
716[11:18:31] <oiaohm> Commerical use is one of those things
that can help open source development.
723[11:19:34] <jelly> arguably GPL2 is a large part why Linux is
the only remaining unix-like system BECAUSE it was possible to
profit from using it
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725[11:19:40] <unixbsd> If there is no source code, there is no
value, because you have binaries. Binaries are lost after decades,
while we move to other archs,
726[11:20:02] <unixbsd> soon or later, bill gates will remove
Bios, and we will have to figure out how to run linux on intel..
727[11:20:24] * jelly blinks
728[11:20:30] <unixbsd> *bill empire
729[11:20:47] <ratrace> they already removed bios long time ago.
it's EFI these days all the way.
730[11:20:54] <jelly> unixbsd: then you don't want to know
how closed UEFI is.
731[11:21:31] <unixbsd> On some web, they mentioned to have no
single access. that would be bad or loooking like an android jail
732[11:21:35] <ratrace> intel is dead. long live ARM. Apple made
sure of that.
733[11:21:38] <oiaohm> Or how buggy EFI is.
734[11:21:48] <unixbsd> gpt efi is hell
735[11:21:51] <EdePopede> or we move away from intel(igene
agency driven) crap
736[11:22:01] <oiaohm> ARM could end up dead as well.
737[11:22:09] <oiaohm> Its going to be interessting to watch
risc-v play out.
738[11:22:12] <EdePopede> bios itself wasn't better in the
past, at least the implementation
739[11:22:24] <ratrace> oiaohm: sure, if any asteroid wipes out
the planet, ARM could end up dead.
740[11:22:33] <EdePopede> just check how many bits the standard
reserved for the number of HDD cylinders.
747[11:23:37] <ratrace> oiaohm: it's a game of chess.
neither arm or x86_64 are going away any soon. Intel HAS become
irrelevant though, with ARM and AMD (x86) taking center stage
748[11:23:39] <unixbsd> it would save us if all could be
opensource bios... why not making our own boards?
749[11:24:04] <ratrace> unixbsd: we can: see coreboot + riscV
750[11:24:23] <ratrace> also... IBM's Power9, Power10 is
very open.
751[11:24:25] <unixbsd> i heard about it on netbsd. ... it seems
to never achieve any where.
766[11:33:09] <EdePopede> unixbsd: not even the usual amazon
bashing... but accidentally i've zapped into some tv shopping.
this time a lamp for the outer wall of your house. stalked it a bit,
read some comments on A*. ordered, prime customer, came next day,
fine. had to return it on their own to austria.
770[11:35:15] <EdePopede> they really could sell such hardware
on geekstuff and similar sites. and maybe some smaller shops, but
this would be a lot of overhead ofc. still would be nice to be able
to buy a computer with preinstalled debian. or with a preseed
fitting the exact hardware. insert stick, boot, and let the chickens
check the keyboard.
780[11:46:38] <EdePopede> i should have some debian disks i paid
for. the bookshop isn't in town anymore, can't find
anything on their website. but iirc the project made €10 per
sold copy.
781[11:49:13] <EdePopede> the era of bundles seems to be over?
no more books coming with optical media (or rather thumbdrives these
days)?
783[11:50:05] <t3st3r> <oiaohm> AMD is talking about
opening up more of their firmware stuff <- Like what? And still,
x86 isn't really open thing. Not even ISA.
784[11:50:40] <t3st3r> Not one stands to try to create own MoBo
like that's it possible with ARM SoCs and some others - without
crap NDAs and so on.
803[12:00:32] <lbr> Yes, you have Secure Boot enabled and
therefore Debian enforces kernel lockdown mode. Please read the
links from your `dmesg` output.
804[12:00:54] <rendar> ok
805[12:02:22] <rendar> lbr: do you think i should disable secure
boot?
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827[12:17:24] <wisbit> hello guys, quick feel of the room, I
started using plex for multimedia server: it's real nice for
movies and tv shows !!! amazing...
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842[12:19:44] <Franciman> I suggest jellyfin as an alternative
for plex. The only problem is that if you use it on a smart tv,
quite likely there won't be the app
843[12:19:48] <Franciman> as an alternative for plex
844[12:20:26] <wisbit> be used through web browser on a screen ?
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862[12:24:38] <Franciman> <wisbit> by the way in terms of
servers management, what is best, one server does all, or several
servers for different media type ? <- no idea
863[12:24:46] <Franciman> i guess it depends on how many users
you have
864[12:24:52] <Franciman> wisbit, np, also jellyfin is free
software
949[13:03:02] <unixbsd> on debian testing amd64, is it possible
that the ps2 mouse is no longer in the kernel ? no idea, it seems
that my ps2 port is no longer working
950[13:04:07] <jelly> lbr: I honestly have no idea
981[13:22:08] <quadrathoch2> jelly, I am actually talking about
the ps/2 port on main boards, which are wired over usb internally
982[13:22:30] <t3st3r> they're not wired to usb and its
different protocol
983[13:23:03] <jelly> quadrathoch2: oh good grief, I did not
know that existed and it means there's an PS/2->usb bridge
in the opposite direction on such boards
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985[13:23:52] <jelly> why would someone do that
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1114[15:18:18] <ratrace> Buster point Seven is out...
1115[15:19:10] <ratrace> BugHunter1000: the buster/updates
repository, sourced from deb.debian.org/debian-security is the
"security" repo in question
1116[15:20:18] <onyx__> ah, so that's probably what broke
custom builds, simple_cdd is complaining about a checksum for a
file... terrible timing from my end tough, I need an altered image
built today if at all possible :(
1135[15:27:51] <BugHunter1000> if that repo is enabled by
default, which repo is a default Debian install on, in terms of that
CVE? it says the mainline is unpatched, so does that mean default
install is unpatched?
1145[15:34:56] <jhutchins> BugHunter1000: I'm not sure what
distinction you're trying to make. The installer regularly
checks for and applies security updates afik.
1146[15:35:36] <jhutchins> BugHunter1000: Unless you had disabled
the security repo, if you have updated since the package was
released you should have the patched version.
1147[15:35:58] <jhutchins> BugHunter1000: Most security updates
eventually make it into the main repo.
1148[15:36:11] <jhutchins> BugHunter1000: Is there a particular
package you are interested in?
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1162[15:44:25] <ratrace> BugHunter1000: for your last question,
that's correct. The "main" repo contains the original
packages at release time. Then bug fix updates and security fixes
are relased in the buster-updates and buster/updates repos
respectively. which means that yes, there exist unpatched and
patched versions of a package at the same time across all three
repos.
1163[15:44:27] <jelly> BugHunter1000: the package with latest
version will get installed, either from main repo or from security
repo
1166[15:44:58] <ratrace> but yes, debian will install _latest_
version for a package, and thus security and updates repos will then
have versions newer than the base, "main" repo
1185[15:57:01] <BugHunter1000> jelly, so if i just remove the
main repo and pull all from "security" that will get
fastest patches?
1186[15:57:44] <jhutchins> BugHunter1000: No need to remove the
main. The newer file from security will have priority.
1187[15:57:45] <jelly> BugHunter1000: no, you need both.
1188[15:57:46] <GNU\colossus> no, that is stupid. packages from
security will be preferred over those from main if both are enabled.
1189[15:58:03] <jhutchins> GNU\colossus: Not stupid, just
uninformed.
1190[15:58:26] <jelly> GNU\colossus: packages with newer version
will be preferred, doesn't matter which repo of the two they
come from
1191[15:58:39] <GNU\colossus> jelly, point taken :)
1192[15:58:44] <jelly> sometimes the main repo has a package with
newer version than security repo
1193[15:58:51] <jhutchins> We get very comfortable with the
package system that "just works", but other distros do
things differently, and if you're coming from the mac or
windows world package management is a whole new concept.
1208[16:06:50] <Onyx47> does anyone know, if I'm building a
custom install image and I try to include a kernel from backports,
do I also have to manually specify any and all kernel modules in the
list of packages to get from backports?
1244[16:39:16] <EdePopede> i was astonished that selfhtml 8.1.2-1
is so small (26M vs 153M data from upstream), but then the Changelog
ends in 2008, which is really old for sth web related. is this
because "too many packages, too few people" or related to
their change of distribution format (sources + modified mediawiki
instead of preformatted pages)? any idea?
1252[16:47:52] <EdePopede> mrkramps: used to be a one man show
for long, then he decided to switch to a collaborative model and
iirc it took some time to find a working model, using a wiki.
can't say how long ago this happened, may have been just before
2008. do you mean this step?
1257[16:50:44] <mrkramps> EdePopede, originally selfhtml was a
collection of static web pages and is now using mediawiki which does
not allow for an easy export of a static oflline version
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1259[16:51:47] <EdePopede> mrkramps: ah, so the debian version is
meant to be used w/o a httpd if i understand you correctly
1260[16:51:53] <mrkramps> exactly
1261[16:52:33] <mrkramps> current version of selfhtml would
rather be a mirror and required web server, php and database
1262[16:52:44] <EdePopede> the links i guess, and the embedding.
maybe some magic with pandoc or similar could do it.
1263[16:53:08] <EdePopede> at least sqlite, so no fiddling around
with maria
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1267[16:55:38] <EdePopede> mrkramps: yep, i just wasn't sure
about the difference in upstream and debian. already was thinking of
looking at their installation. at some point in the future. near
future. i hope. :)
1276[17:00:56] <tigryss> I installed my nvidia gtx 1060 and if I
boot then the nvidia driver is loaded, but hashcat drop unknown
error and doesn't detect my NVIDIA
1310[17:19:24] <phorce1> So, on the old box I pulled from a
closet, should I try upgrading from Squeeze straight to Stretch or
Buster or should I step it through Wheezy, Jessie, Stretch, Buster
one at a time?
1317[17:20:59] <oxek> you could set the sources.list to point to
buster directly, but it's undefined behavior and will break
something for sure
1318[17:21:16] <ratrace> unless it dies on next reboot :) I
pulled an old ACER out of the closet and turned it on. booted fine,
worked. rebooted. never came back on again. as if it woke up,
realized how many years passed and said Nope. Nuh-huh.
1319[17:21:46] <oxek> :D
1320[17:22:01] <oxek> maybe it just wanted 5 more minutes of
sleep?
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1322[17:22:28] <phorce1> I spent the night doing a tar.bz2
backup. Moving that to a USB, then doing a clonezilla across the
network and it hasn't died yet. :D
1358[17:40:47] <yan6> Any idea how to resolve the dependancy
issue "apt libapt-pkg5.0 (due to apt)", facing after
"apt upgrade; apt full-upgrade" ->
replaced-url
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1406[17:55:34] <autoteles> Hello. I installed the latest 5.9
backport kernel, and it came with a driver for my laptop's
wireless card. It gave me a bad time. It's rtl8821ce.
1407[17:56:01] <ratrace> aww, terrible.
1408[17:56:05] <mrkramps> yan6, pinning is configured in one of
the files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/
1409[17:56:11] <autoteles> I had to blacklist ideapad_laptop and
rtw88_8821ce
1424[17:58:35] <cheapie> (making a custom Debian live image - I
have stuff here that needs firmware-amd-graphics to get X running at
all, and the stock images don't have that because non-free :P)
1425[17:58:49] <yan6> mrkramps: so do I just delete/wipe out that
file or?
1426[17:59:04] <yan6> but then I will be installing systemd
1427[17:59:10] <mrkramps> yan6, no ... deleting would allow
installing systemd
1428[17:59:31] <yan6> so only "apt install libsystemd0"
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1470[18:19:02] <parabyte> i upgrade my main computer system every
10 years, and i am due for the next upgrade, can anyone recommend A
good current cpu for the linux kernel
1480[18:22:53] <cheapie> jmcnaught: No (didn't realize those
existed) but this one works fine now and there were some extra
programs I wanted to add too.
1481[18:22:58] <parabyte> one of my criteria for my new system is
the ability for it to be able to be able to use coreboot firmware
1482[18:23:26] <mrkramps> yan6, i am not sure how exactly save
pinning for systemd should look like, but i'd dare guessing
that "Package: systemd*" should be enough pattern for
pinning all systemd an allow installing libsystemd0
1483[18:23:30] <parabyte> thanks for nudging me in the AMD
direction, I will check out what they have to offer later
1484[18:23:38] <NetTerminalGene> you should state that first
1485[18:23:41] <oxek> coreboot systems are intel only
1486[18:24:02] <parabyte> oxek, you know i was not aware of that,
i would of found out when i looked at compatible hardware lol
1487[18:24:23] <oxek> AMD systems have the same intel ME
capability, but there's no way of removing it unlike with using
coreboot for intel
1488[18:24:49] <parabyte> um i may have to adjust my criteria
somewhat
1489[18:25:01] <NetTerminalGene> i want arm cpu
1490[18:25:10] <cheapie> Most AMD boards will let you turn the
PSP "off" but it's not entirely clear what that does.
1491[18:25:21] <parabyte> i would actually settle for arm but
there is no arm boards with multiple pcie slots on it
1492[18:25:23] <oxek> very likely, since coreboot requirement
means you'll not get a modern system anyway, so an upgrade from
a 10yo system would be pointless
1493[18:25:35] <parabyte> i need pcie at least 4 expansion slots
1500[18:27:31] <parabyte> on the same system as well as other
tasks it will perform which requires heavy cpu lifting. the system
will be in a server client situation
1501[18:27:35] <NetTerminalGene> change your habits
1502[18:27:45] <parabyte> anyway thanks for the feedback i will
check out amd's current cpu lineup
1552[19:02:31] <menace__> does anyone of you uses aqemu?
1553[19:02:33] <lowin> Hi. I was playing with my firewall
settings but I think I broke it after adding a direct.xml file. now
I can't reload the daemon:
replaced-url
1554[19:02:47] <lowin> I already removed the direct.xml but it
still fails with same error
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1557[19:03:47] <lowin> And I should say the direct.xml file had
no ipv6 rules I don't know why it fails on that
1558[19:05:58] <HelloShitty> What package do I need when I get a
message like this while running ./configure:
1559[19:06:12] <HelloShitty> configure: error: Package
requirements (libcrypto) were not met:
1560[19:06:15] <HelloShitty> No package 'libcrypto'
found
1561[19:06:27] <autoteles> lowin: is purging the package an
option?
1562[19:06:44] <lowin> autoteles, I'll try that
1563[19:06:52] <autoteles> lowin: copy what you need before you
purge
1564[19:07:01] <HelloShitty> I already installed libcrypto++-dev
and libcrypto++6, but still not good
1597[19:25:42] <lowin> Okay so I regained access. Looks like a
bug with firewalld. it fails to reload after setting up iptables the
first time
1598[19:26:00] <lowin> line 4: RULE_REPLACE failed (No such file
or directory): rule in chain INPUT
1599[19:26:09] <lowin> not sure what "line 4" refers to
here
1600[19:26:51] <HelloShitty> oxek: I can read this on their site,
but then I also don't know what package to install regarding
openssl-lib
1601[19:26:54] <HelloShitty> openssl-lib can be used to specify
the directory where libssl and libcrypto are installed (or the
windows counterparts).
1602[19:27:11] <oxek> HelloShitty: probably best to run
'sudo apt build-dep libtorrent-dev'
1603[19:27:39] <oxek> that should pull in the dependencies needed
to build the version of libtorrent in debian, which will likely
satisfy the dependencies in your version too
1604[19:27:50] <HelloShitty> But versions are not the same
1605[19:28:15] <HelloShitty> aahh, ok, but then I get 2 versions
of libtorrent
1649[19:53:21] <droid3> Got a little issue today been finishing
up my software and i been wanting to create .deb file for installing
my program
1650[19:53:54] <droid3> The issue is how do i make a custom icon
show up for my deb file when it shows up in software center
application for example
1651[19:54:41] <droid3> Note i am not talking about after the
install where you see a custom icon show up on the dash from the
.desktop file that got installed...etc
1652[19:55:07] <droid3> I am talking about before then when your
just viewing the .deb file in your software center app on debian
/ubuntu ...etc
1653[19:55:09] <mrkramps> but i'd guess it uses the same
icon resource
1654[19:55:44] <droid3> confused so its using a .desktop file ???
if so then whats the tag to set it in the control file of the deb
package i created ???
1660[19:57:00] <droid3> Its looking really good in the software
center when i click on it aka the description short / long is
looking good, the url link goes to my github , the name and version
show up perfect....etc
1661[19:57:10] <droid3> I just dont know how to get the icon to
show up
1675[20:18:32] <droid3> nobody seems to know. Seriously why is
creating package such a difficult process it should be made easy for
developer. I just would like to do it with package managers a more
professional way to do it rather then a tar.gz file download and
directions on installing type deal
1676[20:20:36] <droid3> So i am getting to the point that custom
icons and screenshots have to go thru a website like
replaced-url
1677[20:21:08] <mrkramps> but those are screenshots
1678[20:21:21] <droid3> if thats true nobody can make custom
icons or screenshots for there .deb packages if they dont got
login/account with that site
1679[20:21:24] <mrkramps> there are no icons
1680[20:22:22] <droid3> Ok so freak confused on the icons and
screenshot stuff for packages its driving me crazy today. This shit
is hard then actually developing software who the hell design this
shit icon and screenshot method
1686[20:26:50] <mrkramps> yeah, that's the gnome theme icon
for default application
1687[20:26:52] <droid3> this is what i am talking about obviously
Akregator was able to get there custom icon up there with a screen
shot?
1688[20:27:01] <droid3> Below that is what mine looks like
1689[20:27:23] <droid3> And forget for now getting a screenshot
to show ...lost...
1690[20:28:41] <droid3> mrkramps no its not are you looking at my
linke the first one is the Akregator icon the image under the first
one is the default given by all the custom .deb file i make.
1691[20:29:02] <droid3> I am asking how you get the first icon on
there or your own if you got an icon designed ?????
1693[20:29:49] <droid3> i feel like where going in circles with
do you understand what i am asking or is it beyond you ??? Not a
hard question to comperhend
1696[20:30:56] <droid3> if your getting at switching out my
default diamond icon that would be somewhat of a solution but then
it changes my default icon for every program
1697[20:31:02] <mrkramps> droid3, yea got it. that's why i
am surfing gnome software source code for more than half an hour now
1698[20:31:15] <droid3> And this isnt really a solution to making
an icon for everybody
1699[20:31:39] <droid3> really a solution => really not a
solution i mean
1700[20:31:59] <droid3> for everyone to see in the software
center
1701[20:32:30] <droid3> So if the icon and screenshots are not
part of the deb package file then they be part of the deb hosting
file site you use???
1702[20:33:02] <droid3> Aka it be where you host the deb may have
the option to set a custom icon and screenshot where as some site
dont...
1703[20:33:35] <droid3> I would imagine the site that are
directly linked to showing software in the main repo's have
these features
1706[20:34:21] <droid3> But where can i host it to get my deb
package in the main rep or a third party repo that one can add to
his repo list that would show a custom icon and screenshot.
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1708[20:34:52] <droid3> That is the questions??? still confused
if the icon and screenshot are linked to the deb file you create or
is part of the hosting repo site itself
1710[20:35:19] <droid3> if its the later i am fucked unless i get
it into a main repo /hosting site that supports those features
1711[20:36:10] <droid3> But i would at least like to know if its
the later or former so i dont keep spinning my wheels with this
noncritical part of the program development process
1715[20:38:57] <droid3> I really believe its the later as there
are some packages you can write a review and it can get star
ratings...so its got to be part of the website hosting the repo more
then the deb package itself
1720[20:40:17] <droid3> so then what site can i host this deb
file on to get it to show up in software center and the major gui
based package manager front ends?
1721[20:40:47] <jhutchins> droid3: Are you the maintainer of the
package?
1722[20:40:54] <droid3> There got to be a website/hosting repo to
upload your deb file when ready and upload an icon with a screenshot
1724[20:41:36] <droid3> Yes i am the maintainer of the package
and creator. And the package doesnt have any major dependencies
1725[20:42:13] <droid3> except for maybe a few which is not an
issue.
1726[20:43:03] <droid3> I still need to develop the install and
uninstall scripts and go thru finalizing all the install/uninstall
scripts but after that i want to host it somewhere
1728[20:43:42] <droid3> with the ability to have the custom icons
and screenshots i made show up when it is add/displayed in the
software center /major gui package manager front ends
1729[20:44:19] <droid3> And to do this it sounds like all need a
launchpad or other repo hosting site that supports these features
when uploading the .deb file
1736[20:45:31] <droid3> i know i could apt-get install ...etc or
just put the deb file on a github and have them open ...it works
fine sure
1737[20:46:16] <sney> what's the application? is there a
reason you're looking for a "site" to host it rather
than submitting it to debian?
1738[20:46:19] <droid3> but you cannt get the cool screen shots
embedded and custom icons embedded thru gui package manager front
ends without a hosting site supporting them that works with the gui
front end package managerrs
1739[20:47:06] <droid3> and thats why i am trying to figure out
what site allow you to do this at the moment ...now that i know the
deb file i can never customize icon or set screenshots thru it
1740[20:47:42] <droid3> I never submitted stuff to debian how do
you do that /how does that work maybe thats the route all take ???
1741[20:48:03] <sney> !nmg
1742[20:48:04] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
1744[20:48:23] <sney> and get support in #debian-mentors on OFTC
(note, right now you are on freenode)
1745[20:48:50] <droid3> Just confused on what the options are for
actually getting your software in some repo that can be showed up in
a gui package manager front end. And that the hosting site has the
features of custom icon and screenshots???
1746[20:49:30] <sney> custom icon and screenshots is an
appstream/dep-11 thing,
replaced-url
1747[20:50:26] <sney> most 3rd-party packages are self-hosted,
since a debian mirror is just a basic http site with some automagic
scripts. ubuntu has their ppa infrastructure that I'm sure you
know about.
1748[20:50:56] <sney> but if the software is useful and free,
then trying to get it into the debian archive is a better approach.
1750[20:51:56] <droid3> its going to be very useful for graphics
designers to experience with, not something that is even on the
internet with any great programs anymore, and is easy to maintain
1751[20:52:36] <sney> here's some more info,
replaced-url
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1753[20:53:07] <droid3> seems like its more difficult to get the
software where it should be as it is by far the best software for
the task hands down but i dont want to give it away /want it a
superize when i upload it.
1756[20:53:46] <droid3> Man , i am not about to read novels just
to understand how to upload my program to a repo or get access to
somewhere that others can see it in a software center
1757[20:54:18] <sney> lol well, too bad
1758[20:54:39] <droid3> why cannt they make it an easy process
you upload your shit ...if its not good enough you get denied and
have to keep it on github ,sourceforge ,...etc as a tar.gz , zip
,...etc
1759[20:55:05] <sney> debian packages need to be a certain
quality, so you do need to do work before it will be included
1760[20:55:30] <sney> mentors.debian.net is a site where you can
upload your source package and it'll run some checks... but it
is not an automatic process, there is a standard you need to meet as
the maintainer
1761[20:55:34] <ratrace> packaging for .deb sucks big hairy
donkey balls tho.
1762[20:55:35] <droid3> sney dont you think it should be made
easy for developers after why should they have to deal with all this
bullshit. It slows them down in getting software out to people
1767[20:56:12] <droid3> And if it was shitty software just have
the repo maintainers just deny it and say just host it on your own
site or on your sourceforge/ github ,..etc accounts
1768[20:56:36] <ratrace> sney: it's a sad fact. I tried to
contrib changes and patches. it was a mess of the "aint nobody
got tiem for dat!" kind
1769[20:56:59] <droid3> All i am saying is it should be easy
enough to get software up to the main repos for people to consider
incorporating it eventually into the repo's if you got a good
idea that isnt in the repo's yet
1771[20:58:36] <sney> because debian isn't a dumping ground
for everyone's rough draft packages. you have to do the work.
1772[20:58:42] <droid3> "debian packages need to be a
certain quality, so you do need to do work before it will be
included..." Indeed which is why all be spending alot of time
on installer scripts and learning what scripts order of execution is
and writting good install/uninstall/cleanup scripts
1774[20:59:34] <ratrace> one can have good quality packages
without a mess such as .deb, the two constraints are orthogonal
1775[20:59:37] <sney> I thought you didn't want to read
novels? that's like 95% of it, the rest is just cleaning up the
policy/lintian stuff and getting the package sponsored for an upload
1777[21:00:08] <droid3> Ya agreed i wouldnt consider uploading
bad shit to the main repos anyway even though it just get denied so
no harm done. But i wouldnt attempt it if i didnt have a cool new
program that isnt really out there as i see it as much
1778[21:00:48] <droid3> and i think it should be in the main repo
or at least a third party repo that can be add to the main repo with
the functionality of the main repos aka custom icons and screenshots
1779[21:01:09] <sney> anyway, go to #debian-mentors on OFTC and
talk to the experts. I had to stop maintaining my package in 2016 so
I'm a little behind on the current best practices. they will
get you pointed in the right direction and help with all of the
steps.
1781[21:02:27] <droid3> ratrace ya i have a good quality program
that could belong in the main repo in my opinion though it could get
denied i can see that if people dont feel the same way but i
definitely see alot shittier software in the main repos as of
current as well.
1782[21:02:35] <droid3> So its debatable on that end.
1783[21:03:16] <droid3> So now i am kind of working on the
equivalent a good quality deb installer package for the repo if it
got excepted
1786[21:05:23] <droid3> But for this particular program you
really dont need a deb file to install it and i was just making the
deb file as a way to make a pretty icon and screenshot display of it
1788[21:06:02] <droid3> But i realized it doesnt work that way
for gui package managers to display an icon and screenshot it
depends on the repo hosting site you have access to or upload it to.
1792[21:07:14] <droid3> So kind of going thru alot of work
creating deb packages for nothing if its not going to get excepted
into the main repo or a repo /hosting site that has the feature of
setting custom icons and screenshots
1793[21:08:25] <JohnDoe2> hey guys, debian 10 netinstall here,
got xfce and build-essential, ruby going. Now I'm trying to
install a custom CA but it isn't picked up by
update-ca-certificates. File is in /usr/share/ca-certificates/me.crt
; 0 added, 0 removed it says. Am I missing some package to get this
done?
1794[21:09:16] <droid3> sney thanks saw your post.. all go to
debian-mentors channel to talk with those guys. But i am glad its
not a deb file format or my program issue. Its more so figuring out
a hosting site and approval to get it hosted on a site with those
features.
1796[21:10:50] <droid3> Anyway not all is lost if i waste some
time on creating really good deb package for my
installing/uninstalling of my program. As i can always throw them on
my own repo and people add it and sudo apt-get it from a non-gui
based package manager interface.
1803[21:15:17] <JohnDoe2> I read a couple articles on installing
a custom CA and the recommend /usr/share/ca-certificates as the
location. I also manually ln -s the cert file as a pem inside
/etc/ssl/certs/ and it's still not picked up
1804[21:16:01] <JohnDoe2> (for example mozilla's set of CA
files are all in /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/, and then they
all get linked as pem files in /etc/ssl/certs)
1805[21:16:26] <Poster> I believe you have to run
"update-ca-certificates" after the new certificate is in
place
1806[21:16:32] <JohnDoe2> let me not mislead you, the custom .crt
file is not linked by update-ca-certificates
1807[21:16:40] <JohnDoe2> I did it manually, without effect
1808[21:17:00] <JohnDoe2> Poster you're correct, and it says
0 added, 0 removed.
1809[21:17:21] <JohnDoe2> I can read the crt file with openssl
x509 -in ....
1812[21:18:23] <Poster> Do you have
/usr/local/share/ca-certificates ? Just checking other articles and
it sounds like the added cert may need to be copied there
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1815[21:18:45] <JohnDoe2> Poster I see, ok, will try that path
too
1816[21:19:33] <JohnDoe2> damn it, that worked.
1817[21:19:47] <Poster> =D
1818[21:19:49] <JohnDoe2> I mean... awesome, that worked.
1819[21:19:50] <JohnDoe2> :D
1820[21:20:02] <JohnDoe2> thanks Poster
1821[21:20:07] <Poster> np
1822[21:20:10] <Azrael_-> i'm running debian 10 with the
kernel 4.19.0-12-amd64. it is a nas, mostly only used for smb. it
has 8gb ram, ~2gb used, 6gb cache and 186mb swap being used. yet
kswapd0 seems to use constantly about 60% cpu (of 400%). can
somebody explain me the high cpu usage of kswapd0?
1838[21:31:09] <smashgrab> Just installed debian testing and kde
desktop. Previously in stable (actually old stable now) the network
widget in the panel showed my wired network connection like so:
replaced-url
1839[21:31:22] <smashgrab> Is it normal for it to not list any
wired connections or is this a quirk of testing atm? Internet works
just fine, but connection is not listed in the widget. If I use
nmtui from the console, there are no connections listed there,
either.
1840[21:32:02] <graytron> i wonder when the next point release is
going to happen
1981[23:04:42] <jhutchins> All of the commands sound completely
alien to them, they don't type them correctly.
1982[23:04:46] <prison> i cant remember the name.. but it fail
1983[23:05:23] <prison> yes that who has the clock
1984[23:05:28] <prison> the free memory
1985[23:05:30] <prison> disk space
1986[23:05:31] <another> there should be a panel item to add
1987[23:06:10] <jhutchins> Man, I remember back when I did tech
support, I talked someone through a sequence, which they did
correctly, and I said "now press enter". I hear
click-clickety-clickety-clickety-whap-thump. "Didn't
work".
1998[23:15:47] <altker128> Hey guys. Question, is there any
"reasonable" way to get KDE 5.2 on a Debian system? Last I
read it will be in Sid in Jan, wondering if that timeline is true or
not
1999[23:15:56] *** Quits: prison (~prison@replaced-ip) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2000[23:16:05] <sney> menace__: I think you can use
'apt-mark hold' to keep a package in the not-installed
state, or use equivs to tell apt that you already have it
2001[23:17:07] <sney> altker128: sid is at 5.19 currently. plasma
is a big set of packages, so since it's not already in the
archive it'd probably be non-trivial even on a bullseye/sid
system. maybe there's a flatpak?
2002[23:17:54] <sney> but if you heard that sid was going to get
5.20 in the winter then it's likely that will happen, barring
any rc weirdness
2020[23:27:02] <jhutchins> I guess I'm pretty much at the
end of my day. Thunar shows free space in the bottom bar. I'm
pretty sure I knew that, but sometimes things that just work, you
don't have to think about, don't come to mind easily.
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2034[23:33:45] <altker128> ratrace: I was wondering if anyone
else has an interest in seeing KDE 5.2 in Debian and/or if it's
being actively worked on or if there's an alternative way to
try it out on Debian.
2035[23:33:59] <rander2> I have wlan0 enabled , but it dont
appear in NM menu,
2036[23:34:18] <sney> rander2: is it configured in
/etc/network/interfaces? nm ignores anything in that file
2037[23:34:22] <rander2> it write wifi is disabled
2038[23:34:48] <altker128> I've been using MATE for several
years now and pretty happy with it but wish MATE could treat
multiple monitors as their own virtual desktops
2057[23:41:00] <altker128> jhutchins: I mean, KDD 5.2.04 if it
were available
2058[23:41:01] <ratrace> you mean "Yes, KDE 5.20"
2059[23:41:16] <altker128> Yes, KDE 5.2xxxxxx
2060[23:41:28] <altker128> 5.2*
2061[23:42:04] <rander2> So I must use usb0 to connect through
android tethering
2062[23:42:24] <jhutchins> altker128: I think you're
confused. The kde site says 5.20 is current, and debian would
probably be working with 5.20.x-x
2063[23:42:34] <jhutchins> altker128: It isn't yet.
2064[23:43:05] <jhutchins> altker128: You could file an rp and
volunteer to help.
2065[23:43:13] <jhutchins> rfp
2066[23:43:22] <sney> altker128: plasma 5.19.5 was released
upstream on sept 1, and uploaded to sid on nov 6. going by that,
5.20 may be uploaded sometime in the next week or two, depending on
how much work needs to be done to package it
2067[23:44:16] <altker128> jhutchins: I'm not opposed at all
to contributing. I was actually looking at KDE as a desktop
environment for the first time in years so I could in fact go back
to doing development work