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          1 [00:00:18] <Kelsar> s10gopal: look up some videos and use
            what you think looks nice
           
         
        
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          4 [00:00:41] <s10gopal> bites, amd r5 m430 and broadcom wifi
            card will work too ? or i should choose debian un official disk ?
           
         
        
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          6 [00:01:06] <s10gopal> Kelsar, what about drivers ?
           
         
        
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          8 [00:02:07] <s10gopal> can i install AMD Catalyst on debian ?
           
         
        
          9 [00:02:42] <Kelsar> catalyst is dead  
         
        
          10 [00:02:43] <bites> i have no comment on that amd card. if
            that broadcom card is going to work depends on the model. do you
            know it?
           
         
        
          11 [00:02:59] <Kelsar> s10gopal: it is either radeon or amdpgu,
            booth work fine
           
         
        
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          14 [00:03:58] * Kelsar has no debian desktop system, to be fair
           
         
        
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          16 [00:04:09] <s10gopal> Kelsar, fglrx works with debian 9.4 ?
           
         
        
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          18 [00:04:32] <Kelsar> s10gopal: no, fglrx is gone for good, amd
            buried it and said use radeon
           
         
        
          19 [00:04:53] <Kelsar> usually even got better performance
           
         
        
          20 [00:04:54] <bites> if you are using the unofficial firmware
            installer you have a higher chance of it working out of the box. but
            even then, some broadcom firmwares have a license that prevents
            redistribution.
           
         
        
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          22 [00:06:17] <s10gopal> Kelsar, i have multi gpu and dont know
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          23 [00:06:27] <Kelsar> neither do i  
         
        
          24 [00:06:43] <Kelsar> amd+intel are pretty rare
           
         
        
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          66 [00:29:24] <debbie_> I installed Debian Stretch + apt-get
            install firmware-atheroes + removed network manager and installed
            wicd. When I scan for wifi networks none are found. Wicd always says
            "switch on wifi" despite clicking it. 01:00.0 Network
            controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network
            Adapter (rev 31) --- dmesg output:
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          76 [00:33:06] <debbie_>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          81 [00:35:13] <debbie_> Kernel driver in use: r8169
           
         
        
          82 [00:35:27] <debbie_> Kernel driver in use: ath10k_pci
           
         
        
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          89 [00:37:53] <debbie_> sec rebooting  
         
        
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          98 [00:40:16] <guest_> should i install debian on ufei or Legacy
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          114 [00:49:10] <zebmccorkle> guest_: if your computer supports
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          116 [00:49:57] <guest_> zebmccorkle: i am having hp ay008tx
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          117 [00:50:19] <guest_> zebmccorkle: and what about secure boot ?
            it should be enabled ?
           
         
        
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          129 [00:53:08] <LtL> guest_: on my machines i turn secure boot
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          163 [01:14:34] <guest_> can i install non free drivers on debian
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          254 [02:13:46] <jim> hi... got a forwarded xy from ##linux... the
            Y is to install stretch and have drivers for floppies available, the
            two Xs being considered are...
           
         
        
          255 [02:14:13] <jim> 1, installing from a live stretch cd known
            to have the floppy drivers
           
         
        
          256 [02:14:37] <jim> 2, I think he's gonna try a netinstall
           
         
        
          257 [02:15:26] <somiaj> It is suggestion one uses the netinstall
            over the live images (though the installer on those is bassicaly the
            same now, you just have to boot into the installer directly, not the
            live system)
           
         
        
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          261 [02:16:01] <somiaj> I would imangine the floppy drivers are
            in the debian kernel, and should still work. Though I haven't
            actually used a floppy for a long time (or were they wanting to
            install from floppies)?
           
         
        
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          265 [02:17:17] <somiaj> My stretch kernel has,
            CONFIG_INTEL_IOMMU_FLOPPY_WA=y, which I think means the floppy
            driver is built in
           
         
        
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          270 [02:18:01] <jim> somiaj, ok, can I read the config file for
            whichever netinstall he's using?
           
         
        
          271 [02:18:28] <jim> he says it's not working for some
            reason, details pending
           
         
        
          272 [02:18:43] <somiaj> jim: debian puts configs in
            /boot/config-kernel-version, and I expect the kernel to be the same
            in stretch as the installer.
           
         
        
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          274 [02:19:02] <somiaj> though been so long, I just grep -i
            floppy /boot/config-4.9.0-6-amd64 and that is the only thing that
            returned
           
         
        
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          276 [02:19:32] <Unit193> I presume you have a
            kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko too?
           
         
        
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          278 [02:19:52] <jim> probably  
         
        
          279 [02:20:06] <somiaj> Unit193: I do, do you know what config
            options creates that
           
         
        
          280 [02:20:19] <somiaj> so yea, maybe they just need to
            'modprobe floppy'
           
         
        
          281 [02:20:27] <Unit193> Unfortunately, no. Sorry.
           
         
        
          282 [02:20:29] <somiaj> turns out tehre are some options that
            maybe needed depending on the drive.
           
         
        
          283 [02:20:50] <somiaj> jim:
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          285 [02:21:27] <jim> can we do this: boot the netinstall, then
            look for the module and/or the config file?
           
         
        
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          287 [02:21:34] <somiaj> well it appears the module is there,
            though unsure what config option to set for.
           
         
        
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          289 [02:22:00] <somiaj> yes you can, but I would assume the
            module is there, I would look at dmesg, and look for errors, it
            could be you may need to pass some additional options to the module
            if the floppy drive just isn't being detected
           
         
        
          290 [02:22:12] <somiaj> it could also be the module isn't
            being autoloaded, and a 'modprobe floppy' would be enough
           
         
        
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          299 [02:28:33] <jim> he says he wants to install grub onto a
            floppy from the installer, I'm trying to find out why nopw
           
         
        
          300 [02:29:16] <somiaj> that is strange, but I don't think
            floppies have tranditional mbrs
           
         
        
          301 [02:29:51] <somiaj> yea I think that is the issue, floppy
            drives do not have an MBR, so there is no place to install grub too
           
         
        
          302 [02:30:24] <jim> I was able to install grub1 onto a floppy
           
         
        
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          304 [02:30:53] <jim> but be that as it may, I have some
            details... first, his motherboard is ASUS P28-VT
           
         
        
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          307 [02:31:29] <jim> he wants to do an encrypted install, and...
            I'll quote him (sec)
           
         
        
          308 [02:31:34] <somiaj>
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          309 [02:31:48] <somiaj> looks like it might be possible, but
            grub-install might not be able to do it.
           
         
        
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          311 [02:32:14] <jim> when he tried to do the floppy grub install,
            he found that /dev/fd0 did not exist
           
         
        
          312 [02:32:49] <jim> sec, lemme ask him a few more questions (but
            first, I'll get you that quote)
           
         
        
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          314 [02:33:38] <somiaj> hmm, guess it works, I'm finding a
            bit of confliciting info on google. this might be the best guide for
            isntalling grub on a floppy
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          315 [02:33:50] <somiaj> but sounds like the issue is getting the
            floppy drive detected, and checking the floppy module is loaded
           
         
        
          316 [02:34:19] <jim> he says... the reason I need a boot disk is
            because I will be using full disk encryption and that requires a
            separate boot disk in cases where the motherboard firmware BIOS is
            on a read-only memory device such as is the case with the ASUS
            P28-VT
           
         
        
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          318 [02:35:04] <jim> let me see if he can be flexible about
            partitions
           
         
        
          319 [02:35:15] <somiaj> I thought using a usb drive was more
            common for this
           
         
        
          320 [02:35:33] <somiaj> but anyways, the floppy driver should
            still work, it could be something actually wrong with the floppy
            drive.
           
         
        
          321 [02:35:42] <jim> maybe, in any case it sounds like a better
            solution
           
         
        
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          324 [02:36:53] <somiaj> I personally wouldn't trust a floppy
            drive for this, those thigns go bad so easily
           
         
        
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          336 [02:48:10] <jim> I guess he feels he doesn't have that
            choice... he says it's not possible to boot from usb
           
         
        
          337 [02:48:25] <jim> on that hardware  
         
        
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          380 [03:16:58] <karlpinc> somiaj: I dunno. I had a floppy drive
            continue to work for about 15 years. YMMV.
           
         
        
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          382 [03:19:04] <somiaj> yea I guess, I finally threw my floppy
            drive away when I went though my old floppies and about 70% of them
            were dead
           
         
        
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          385 [03:19:40] <somiaj> and I'm not talking about the drive,
            I'm talking about the actual floppy disks...the drive still
            worked, I just had no more use for it.
           
         
        
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          389 [03:20:38] <somiaj> (at one point in time I decided that the
            floppy drive was my computers identity, and for years it was the
            only original part from my first computer in the 90s --
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          391 [03:20:48] <somiaj> and now I don't even have that
           
         
        
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          394 [03:21:15] <somiaj> though my sblive is still around, that
            was my first upgade in 98, and still in my system.
           
         
        
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          396 [03:22:24] * annadane will one day have an install that lasts
            longer than 2 months
           
         
        
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          399 [03:24:37] <shpingrlde> i used testdisk's deeper search
            to locate an overwritten partition, but then accidentally backed too
            far out of a menu and now i'm no longer in the deeper search.
            can i use the logs to finish the task, or do i need to start a
            several-hour deeper search again?
           
         
        
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          404 [03:25:18] <somiaj> shpingrlde: I'm unsure about such a
            tool, but my advise is make sure you are working on an image and you
            have removed that disk from your system.
           
         
        
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          409 [03:26:35] <karlpinc> shpingrlde: Yes. Always dd the hardware
            and then make a backup from the copy and _then_ fiddle. After the
            initial disk copy unplug the failing device and set it aside. The
            more you touch the more will break.
           
         
        
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          411 [03:27:07] <shpingrlde> gotcha, thanks
           
         
        
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          414 [03:27:33] <shpingrlde> i'll run it again and get some
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          415 [03:27:45] <somiaj> even if the disk is not bad, new files,
            and various other things could start writing over the data making it
            harder to recover.
           
         
        
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          421 [03:28:33] * karlpinc is trying to remember that "recovery
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          422 [03:29:18] <shpingrlde> dd_rescue?  
         
        
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          424 [03:29:39] <karlpinc> shpingrlde: That sounds right.
           
         
        
          425 [03:29:41] <shpingrlde> this wasn't a hard drive
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          429 [03:30:41] <karlpinc> shpingrlde: Then you probably
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          485 [03:52:20] <lone-wolf> I need run wireshark with other user,
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            sudo?
           
         
        
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          523 [04:18:38] <goaway> I just installed amd gpu drivers +
            atheros 2k wifi drivers and rebooted now i'm getting
           
         
        
          524 [04:18:46] <goaway> firmware bug amd-vi ioapic[4][5] no
            southbridge ioapic found
           
         
        
          525 [04:18:55] <goaway> and the computer isnt booting
           
         
        
          526 [04:19:02] <goaway> i also see firwamre failed to load
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          527 [04:19:15] <goaway> i see an endless underscore flashing
           
         
        
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          530 [04:20:39] <goaway> amd vi event logged 7.156022
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          535 [04:22:27] <goaway> in recovery mode i can't even get my
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          548 [04:30:31] <drb_> ;  
         
        
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          552 [04:34:41] <annadane> goaway, how'd you install the
            drivers
           
         
        
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          554 [04:35:17] <goaway>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          555 [04:35:26] <goaway> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT = "quiet
            splash ivrs_ioapic[7]=00:14.0 ivrs_ioapic[8]=00: 00.2"
           
         
        
          556 [04:35:26] <goaway> <== but edited it accordingly
           
         
        
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          559 [04:35:34] <goaway> now im not getting any error
           
         
        
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          562 [04:35:59] <goaway> just an ath10k_pci firmware failed to
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          563 [04:36:08] <goaway> i guess i should go back into recovery
            mode and see why
           
         
        
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          565 [04:36:21] <annadane> this is debian stable?
           
         
        
          566 [04:36:27] <goaway> yes debian stretch
           
         
        
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          568 [04:36:30] <goaway> x64  
         
        
          569 [04:36:44] <goaway> before i installed the amd drivers all
            was booting up fine
           
         
        
          570 [04:36:48] <goaway> -it was  
         
        
          571 [04:37:04] <annadane> that link doesn't explain how you
            installed the drivers
           
         
        
          572 [04:37:11] <annadane> is it from the debian repository?
           
         
        
          573 [04:37:21] <goaway> yes  
         
        
          574 [04:37:50] <annadane> well, i'm not sure what the issue
            is, perhaps someone else can answer it
           
         
        
          575 [04:37:51] <goaway> Debian -- Details of package
            firmware-amd-graphics in stretch
           
         
        
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          577 [04:38:23] <goaway> i'm getting amd-vi event logged 48.x
            io_page_fault device=01:00.0 domain=0x0001 address=0x0000000ffc6efe0
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          580 [04:39:27] <goaway> device 01:00.0 is
           
         
        
          581 [04:39:36] <goaway> vga compatible controller amd [amd/ati]
            carrizo (rev c8)
           
         
        
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          668 [05:34:02] <misternumberone> hi, how can I increase the
            available storage space in a running DebianLive 9.4
           
         
        
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          672 [05:39:53] <realist--> Hello, I am seeking advice from
            veteran Linux users that knows a thing or two on how challenging
            Linux can be for many people, we are a small company with a distro,
            customized for data center networking, our audience are people that
            came from the ‘Cisco’ world, they are mostly middle aged
            men with no computer sci degree and years of Cisco slavery, any
            compelling/popular arguments to use, any useful links,
            articles…etc to pass
           
         
        
          673 [05:41:09] <realist--> I'm looking for ideas on what
            would be a motivation to learn something new.
           
         
        
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          675 [05:42:24] <mnuhmnuh> misternumberone: plugin a usbkey and
            mount it; probably gets automounted.
           
         
        
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          682 [05:47:11] <mnuhmnuh> !nslu2  
         
        
          683 [05:47:11] <dpkg> [nslu2] The Linksys NSLU2 "Network
            Storage Link" is a NAS device with two USB 2.0 ports and one
            10/100 Ethernet port. Supported by the <armel> port of Debian
            GNU/Linux.
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          684 [05:47:23] <mnuhmnuh> realist ^^^  
         
        
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          686 [05:49:12] <mnuhmnuh> i'm trying to think of the name of
            the free linux based router proj. that started w linksys routers ...
           
         
        
          687 [05:49:30] <realist_> openwrt ?  
         
        
          688 [05:49:50] <mnuhmnuh> that's the one.
           
         
        
          689 [05:50:10] <misternumberone> mnuhmnuh: thanks it worked, but
            how can I use this space to install packages
           
         
        
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          694 [05:52:02] <mnuhmnuh> misternumberone: live, maybe no.
            installer will ask if you've additional sources to use, or let
            you work around.
           
         
        
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          697 [05:54:06] <misternumberone> mnuhmnuh: but when I sudo
            apt-get install lvm linux-util cryptsetup debootstrap it fails with
            not enough space on disk error
           
         
        
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          699 [05:54:26] <misternumberone> these are packages I need to
            have in the live image in order to install
           
         
        
          700 [05:54:40] <misternumberone> lvm2**  
         
        
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          779 [06:49:14] <somiaj> misternumberone: you shouldn't be
            installing packages in the installer enviorment, and you
            shoudln't be using the live enviorment to install. The
            installer gives you the option to load that stuff if needed
           
         
        
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          782 [06:50:07] <slacko64_5401> in the history of united states
            nasa has claimed unstable debian is the best
           
         
        
          783 [06:50:31] <slacko64_5401> i have seen carpenters become them
           
         
        
          784 [06:50:49] <slacko64_5401> or was it construction workers. i
            think it was construction workers
           
         
        
          785 [06:51:04] <somiaj> either way, it seems off topic unless you
            have an actual debian support question
           
         
        
          786 [06:51:21] <slacko64_5401> it related to debian unstable as a
            historical reference, thanks
           
         
        
          787 [06:52:28] <misternumberone> somiaj: the reason why I am
            doing this is because the stretch live image contains the floppy
            kernel module, but the installer image does not appear to, because
            when I use it /dev/fd0 does not exist and modprobe floppy returns
            file not found error
           
         
        
          788 [06:52:51] <misternumberone> and I need to use the floppy
            drive in order to complete my installation
           
         
        
          789 [06:53:04] <somiaj> misternumberone: how much memeory do you
            have, installing packages in the live image is limited by memeory.
           
         
        
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          793 [06:53:52] <misternumberone> somiaj: 384 MB however I have
            installed successfully a swap partition on a hard drive, which must
            be temporary and removed before the installation is complete
           
         
        
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          795 [06:54:32] <somiaj> I'm unsure how well swap works with
            the live systems, it might only use physical memeory to run in, not
            swap.
           
         
        
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          797 [06:54:38] <somiaj> but I've never attempted this.
           
         
        
          798 [06:55:07] <slacko64_5401> there might be a way to pipe the
            available or possible modules or do a hardware scan for the correct
            mount point of the floppy, or similiarly test only certain ones to
            see which one is the one
           
         
        
          799 [06:55:16] <misternumberone> well to begin with I need some
            way to increase the size of the virtual storage
           
         
        
          800 [06:55:33] <slacko64_5401> it's always good to have an
            android tablet
           
         
        
          801 [06:55:39] <slacko64_5401> for linux  
         
        
          802 [06:55:43] <slacko64_5401> to google  
         
        
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          804 [06:56:34] <somiaj> misternumberone: so the live images sees
            your floppy drive just fine?
           
         
        
          805 [06:56:50] <slacko64_5401> sometimes you can copy a module to
            usb floppy and maybe access it like a regular floppy
           
         
        
          806 [06:57:32] <misternumberone> slacko64_5401: what do you mean
            to do a hardware scan and find the mount point? and usb floppy? im
            not sure what you mean
           
         
        
          807 [06:57:51] <misternumberone> somiaj: yes it loads the floppy
            module and I can mount and use the floppy disk
           
         
        
          808 [06:57:57] <somiaj> so far it seems mostly like noise to me.
           
         
        
          809 [06:58:26] <slacko64_5401> lsusb might have info and lspci
            might have info on how to get things like a floppy working, i
            assumed it was something like usb floppy. normal floppies i have
            seen some linux need a hardware base for
           
         
        
          810 [06:58:39] <slacko64_5401> something like a selection process
            in the installation
           
         
        
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          812 [06:59:00] <somiaj> misternumberone: the only thing I can
            think of at the time is to make an install and leave your /boot
            outside of your encrypted lvm, and then after your install is
            complete, move grub/boot to the floppy and then remove the
            partition.
           
         
        
          813 [06:59:34] <somiaj> misternumberone: I'm double checking
            something with the installer, I am surprised the floppy module was
            not present.
           
         
        
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          816 [07:00:23] <misternumberone> slacko64_5401: it is a normal
            floppy, what sort of hardware base would I need? what does that mean
           
         
        
          817 [07:00:36] <somiaj> misternumberone: just ignore
            slacko64_5401, they seem mostly to be noise so foar.
           
         
        
          818 [07:00:38] <misternumberone> the floppy does not show up in
            lspci'
           
         
        
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          823 [07:03:14] <somiaj> misternumberone: okay, I found a bug
            report about the floppy module being removed from the installer,
            I'll see if it has any solutions.
           
         
        
          824 [07:03:17] <misternumberone> somiaj: ok the problem is,
            someone in the ##linux channel told me I should use regular dm-crypt
            full disk encryption rather than LUKS full disk encryption because
            the disk would be fuller encrypted and it would be impossible to
            detect that it was an encrypted disk and not just random data
           
         
        
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          826 [07:03:23] <misternumberone> and that sounded like a good
            idea to me
           
         
        
          827 [07:03:45] <somiaj> I'm not one who knows much about
            encryption, I'm just looking to a solution for your floppy
            drive issue.
           
         
        
          828 [07:04:33] <misternumberone> thanks, is it really a bug that
            the floppy module doesn't work? everyone was telling me it
            should work
           
         
        
          829 [07:05:08] <somiaj> it is marked as won't-fix, the
            floppy drive was removed from the install kernel due to keeping it
            small and the edge cases that need it was not enough to convence the
            debian kernel team.
           
         
        
          830 [07:05:49] <somiaj> so you may need to write a custom debian
            installer to have the floppy drive avaible at boot. Do you have a
            second hard disk you could use? Are you booting from usb or cdrom to
            do this install?
           
         
        
          831 [07:06:01] <misternumberone> CDROM  
         
        
          832 [07:06:51] <misternumberone> and i don't have another
            hard drive - however how can I make a custom debian installer that
            includes the module, that sounds like what I need
           
         
        
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          835 [07:07:19] <somiaj> I'm not finding any good documention
            on this (that isn't outdated)
           
         
        
          836 [07:07:44] <misternumberone> I have done something similar to
            Windows install images using something called dism, can a debian
            installer be edited a similar way?
           
         
        
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          839 [07:08:49] <somiaj> I wonder if woody can do full disk
            encryption like you want.
           
         
        
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          841 [07:09:56] <somiaj>
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          842 [07:10:57] <plasmoduck> What's a good hardware sensors
            program to install? Like what program does conky "usually"
            rely on to get it's sensor information?
           
         
        
          843 [07:11:32] <somiaj> you may want to ask in #debian-boot on
            irc.oftc.net, they maybe able to help you create a custom cd
            installer with the floppy drive module added back in.
           
         
        
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          845 [07:12:01] <somiaj> misternumberone: or the last release that
            supported a floppy in the installer was woody, if woody can do the
            encryption, you can dist-upgrade from woody -> jessie ->
            stretch.
           
         
        
          846 [07:12:41] <alkisg> Full disk encryption with floppy and
            384MB RAM? That's a veeeery weird use case :D
           
         
        
          847 [07:12:44] <somiaj> plasmoduck: mostly I think they are
            kernel modules, and something like lm-sensors can read them, and
            sensors-detect will scan your system for what ones it an read.
           
         
        
          848 [07:12:57] <somiaj> alkisg: along with using a floppy drive
            with grub to boot it
           
         
        
          849 [07:13:15] <alkisg> Why oh why?! Aren't there simpler
            ways?
           
         
        
          850 [07:13:17] <somiaj> oh yea, you got that..and unsure the best
            approach, (:
           
         
        
          851 [07:13:30] <somiaj> apparntelly not on this hardware.
            Doesn't support usb boot
           
         
        
          852 [07:13:45] <alkisg> Plop can boot from usb when the hardware
            doesn't support it
           
         
        
          853 [07:13:54] <alkisg> Network boot exists since.. ever
           
         
        
          854 [07:14:27] <alkisg> Copying a floppy module from elsewhere
            while still in the installer should be easy without the need to
            modify the cdrom
           
         
        
          855 [07:14:32] <misternumberone> i was keeping using a previous
            version of debian and upgrading as a resort in case other things
            dont work, but was concerned about it because i would be upgrading
            from legacy services all the way to full systemd
           
         
        
          856 [07:14:32] <alkisg> Lots of options...
           
         
        
          857 [07:15:08] <misternumberone> you said boot from USB without
            hardware support? how? what is plop
           
         
        
          858 [07:15:24] <alkisg> Google for plop boot manager, you'll
            find it
           
         
        
          859 [07:15:47] <alkisg> It fakes "bios usb support" and
            then loads the OS from usb
           
         
        
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          867 [07:19:13] <misternumberone> alkisg: sounds good but
            it's hard to find out about because it looks like the website
            plop.at is down for me? is there another site?
           
         
        
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          872 [07:22:27] <alkisg> misternumberone: I'm sure sites like
            softpedia etc have a local copy if plop.at is currently down
           
         
        
          873 [07:22:31] <alkisg> Google again :)  
         
        
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          875 [07:23:23] <misternumberone> alkisg: also it looks from what
            information I can find like it needs to use a CD to boot from first,
            and then loads the USB? in this case I might as well put GRUB on the
            CD, which I had also considered if nothing else works but it would
            be far less convenient
           
         
        
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          877 [07:23:55] <alkisg> misternumberone: you can put plop in a
            floppy disk and then boot from usb, isn't that what you want?
           
         
        
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          880 [07:24:09] <alkisg> You can also put plop in floppy and os in
            cd-rom, whatever suits you
           
         
        
          881 [07:24:55] <alkisg> I haven't understood your use case
            well
           
         
        
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          883 [07:25:35] <misternumberone> hmm, can plop function as an
            autodetecting bootloader for regular linux installations as well?
            like can it replace GRUB? that could be useful
           
         
        
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          885 [07:26:43] <misternumberone> alkisg: my use case is a system
            that can boot from CD or floppy or hard drive but I would rather not
            boot from CD or hard drive because the CD is a temporary setup and
            the hard drive I would like to use full disk encryption on
           
         
        
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          889 [07:27:38] <alkisg> misternumberone: so in your final setup
            you want to be booting from disk or from floppy?
           
         
        
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          892 [07:28:39] <misternumberone> this plop sounds like it would
            work but I will first go to irc.oftc.net and ask about the custom
            debian installer option
           
         
        
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          894 [07:29:02] <alkisg> I've no idea why you would need
            something custom
           
         
        
          895 [07:29:10] <alkisg> Why would the installer need access to
            the floppy?
           
         
        
          896 [07:29:20] <misternumberone> alkisg: I want to be booting
            from disk, floppy or if somehow possible USB directly even though
            the system does not support it
           
         
        
          897 [07:29:54] <alkisg> OK, so why is the floppy involved at all?
            I don't get it
           
         
        
          898 [07:30:07] <misternumberone> alkisg: I need to install the
            GRUB 2 bootloader to the floppy disk with encryption enabled so that
            it can decrypt the hard drive and boot the installation
           
         
        
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          903 [07:31:16] <alkisg> So in your final setup you want to be
            booting from floppy? Isn't that ...90's ?
           
         
        
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          905 [07:31:45] <alkisg> Floppies break every other week...
           
         
        
          906 [07:32:14] <misternumberone> alkisg: i can use CD if I have
            to but the CD drive setup I have for the system right now is not
            clean
           
         
        
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          909 [07:33:03] <misternumberone> it is a laptop sized cd drive
            that I have stuck into the side of the computer and it was not easy
            to plug into the motherboard
           
         
        
          910 [07:33:13] <somiaj> yea, that was my comment to jim when he
            was being the middleman, floppy disks are just to unrelaible to have
            encryption keys on.
           
         
        
          911 [07:33:17] <alkisg> misternumberone: I'd use the disk.
            Only. No cd or floppy to boot.
           
         
        
          912 [07:33:27] <misternumberone> so i cannot close the case while
            it is connected, i have been using it to boot the images
           
         
        
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          914 [07:33:39] <alkisg> Once the kernel loads, it can access
            things from usb
           
         
        
          915 [07:34:03] <misternumberone> alkisg: but I only have 1 hard
            disk, and if I use the /boot folder on there, even if it is in its
            own partition it will not be full disk encryption
           
         
        
          916 [07:34:11] <alkisg> And?  
         
        
          917 [07:34:27] <misternumberone> I would like to use full disk
            encryption for security of my data
           
         
        
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          919 [07:34:36] <alkisg> If you're booting on hardware that
            supports usb, I can understand it. But in your use case... no
           
         
        
          920 [07:34:41] <alkisg> What does /boot have to do with your
            data?
           
         
        
          921 [07:34:42] <misternumberone> like I have on the computer I
            use now
           
         
        
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          924 [07:37:38] <misternumberone> because information about the
            installation is stored in /boot by the operating system, and I am in
            a situation where I need to take precautions against a middleman
            attack from physical access to the system to modify the /boot
            partition to sniff the encryption passphrase
           
         
        
          925 [07:38:40] <misternumberone> i intend to carry with me for
            example the bootloader storage device, whether it is floppy disk or
            CD, so that it cannot be tampered with and my encryption passphrase
            obtained
           
         
        
          926 [07:39:04] <alkisg> If he has physical access he can install
            an OS to the disk that reads your keys from the floppy, and you
            wouldn't know it :D
           
         
        
          927 [07:39:25] <alkisg> (and emulate a bios boot screen)
           
         
        
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          936 [07:46:18] <misternumberone> a number of reasons why that is
            avoided: 1. I do not store the keys on the bootloader storage, I
            store them in my head and input them twice once in grub and once in
            the initramfs. 2. the "bios boot screen" that appears when
            the system turns on is itself a different matter, in fact one of the
            unique benefits of this pc, and to answer you it is not stored on
            the hard disk.
           
         
        
          937 [07:46:20] <misternumberone> 3. I would not be fooled to
            input my passphrase in any case that the disk was not also fully
            encrypted and displayed as such in GRUB, and if so the attacker
            would not have my passphrase, the passphrase would be wrong when I
            input it, and I would realize the tampering and terminate the boot
            process.
           
         
        
          938 [07:47:01] <misternumberone> similar precautions are in fact
            taken on my current PC, which uses a different boot process but also
            has full disk encryption and does not store the keys.
           
         
        
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          940 [07:49:16] <alkisg> There's no way to protect your
            "software/keys/etc" from being read by "untrusted
            pc/hardware/bios/boot". A base needs to be trusted to build a
            trusted chain on top of it.
           
         
        
          941 [07:49:32] <alkisg> If I have physical access I can modify
            your BIOS to do whatever I want, and you wouldn't know it
           
         
        
          942 [07:49:53] <misternumberone> one misstep is dangerous for me,
            so I assure you I have thought out how my presently stored data is
            secured. This is why I take such careful steps and be sure to make
            the right choice for my new system.
           
         
        
          943 [07:50:14] <alkisg> For example, to just make a clone of
            whatever it reads from the floppy, to a disk sector at the end of
            the disk, and I'd pick it up later
           
         
        
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          945 [07:50:47] <alkisg> You can encrypt communications. You
            can't encrypt data from the processor that's supposed to
            process that data. So if I have access to the processor, I have your
            data.
           
         
        
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          948 [07:51:07] <misternumberone> I have chosen this new system
            partly because it has a good feature: its bios is stored on a
            genuinely ROM chip. The ROM chip cannot be overwritten as a matter
            of physical construction, and when I boot the PC I intend to check
            it to verify it has not been tampered with or replaced.
           
         
        
          949 [07:51:31] <alkisg> Do you know that bios RUNs code from disk
            before loading the floppy?
           
         
        
          950 [07:51:49] <alkisg> I could put code there to override int 16
            and you'd never know it
           
         
        
          951 [07:52:11] <alkisg> I wouldn't even need to modify your
            bios
           
         
        
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          953 [07:52:33] <alkisg> Anyway, this is way off topic for #debian
            now, so I'll stop :)
           
         
        
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          956 [07:53:55] <misternumberone> alkisg: if the disk were
            overwritten, as I have said, this would be obvious when the
            encryption key does not work, and I could terminate the situation
            before connecting internet
           
         
        
          957 [07:54:19] <misternumberone> but I appreciate your ideas
           
         
        
          958 [07:54:25] <alkisg> Encryption doesn't check all of the
            disk
           
         
        
          959 [07:54:26] <jim> misternumberone, maybe you should replace
            the rom with one that allows booting from usb, that would solve a
            lot of your problems
           
         
        
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          962 [07:55:19] <Haohmaru> u need to make your own computer, your
            own bios, your own processor and motherboard, your own transistors..
            etc..
           
         
        
          963 [07:55:33] <misternumberone> jim: that would be a good idea,
            and also allow me to use an open source software motherboard
            firmware just like my current PC
           
         
        
          964 [07:55:42] <alkisg> It would still not be trustworthy if
            others have physical access there before he came to boot
           
         
        
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          966 [07:56:25] <misternumberone> what Haohmaru said is of course
            the best way, but it does not exist, it is a dream. All I can do
            right now is find the best ways I can.
           
         
        
          967 [07:56:32] <Haohmaru> put a justin bieber picture on yer
            computer - ain't nobody gon touch it
           
         
        
          968 [07:57:03] <Haohmaru> of course, that comes with a huuuge
            downside
           
         
        
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          973 [07:58:40] <jim> misternumberone, ok, what's the down
            side? (well, floppies go bad, and I challenge you to find two good
            floppies in a box of 20)... if you allow booting from usb, you
            should maybe get a small ssd rather than the usual usb stick,
            because sticks go bad too, and ssds have been getting much better
           
         
        
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          975 [07:59:12] <Haohmaru> folks, apt-get seems to be clever and
            knows how much megabytes it gon download and how much "extra
            space" will be required - why does it not check if there is
            enough space available?
           
         
        
          976 [07:59:41] <misternumberone> alkisg: could you direct me to
            information about this exploit you mention makes it possible to
            initiate arbitrary execution from a BIOS through changing a small
            portion of the hard disk? i am interested
           
         
        
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          979 [08:00:20] <Haohmaru> isn't that how
            "master-boot-record" viruses work?
           
         
        
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          981 [08:00:50] <jim> I had made a proposal to include data about
            what packages install how much in what dirs, and someone implemented
            it... they didn't like it, and I don't remember why
           
         
        
          982 [08:01:20] <misternumberone> jim: the downside is that I am
            not sure if that is possible. My current system uses a fully open
            source motherboard firmware, however there is only one of those I
            know exists, and it does not support this system I have that uses
            ROM BIOS.
           
         
        
          983 [08:01:20] <Haohmaru> jim is it that it's not easy to
            check if there's enough space?
           
         
        
          984 [08:01:29] <alkisg> misternumberone: I've been doing
            that around 20 years ago in the DOS days. You can write code to MBR,
            copy the original to sector 12345, and restore it after your code
            has run, and your floppy/encryption won't know it.
           
         
        
          985 [08:01:30] <alkisg> I don't know of any documentation
            though, at that point it was more about reverse engineering; we
            didn't have internet yet
           
         
        
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          990 [08:03:03] <alkisg> misternumberone: one additional thing you
            can do if you want some additional protection, is to have the md5sum
            of the whole /boot partition stored in your USB where your keys are,
            and refuse to continue if it doesn't match.
           
         
        
          991 [08:03:05] <jim> well if my proposal were to be implemented,
            that kind of thing would easily be possible, but they found a
            problem, and I forgot what
           
         
        
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          1000 [08:06:59] <chienxi> -1  
         
        
          1001 [08:07:11] <misternumberone> alkisg: again, I don't
            store the keys, but storing the md5sum of the disk sounds like a
            good idea. If checking the md5sum in GRUB is possible, and partial
            checks are possible, could I check the md5sum of the portion of the
            disk you claimed can be used for an exploit? or would this exploit
            code already be active while at the same time having overwritten
            itself with the original data as you said?
           
         
        
          1002 [08:07:14] <Haohmaru> :~(  
         
        
          1003 [08:08:11] <misternumberone> and do all BIOS suffer from this
            exploit or only some? my current system uses an extremely unusual
            BIOS with a nonstandard boot process, however I would like to know
            details about this.
           
         
        
          1004 [08:08:15] <alkisg> misternumberone: you store the keys in
            your floppy, if I understood you well. An overriden int 16 could
            read them, pass them back to grub, while storing them for me in
            sector 1234567
           
         
        
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          1006 [08:08:44] <alkisg> misternumberone: you don't have any
            logic in your boot process to check for a modified MBR that after
            boot was restored
           
         
        
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          1008 [08:09:09] <alkisg> You cannot protect against someone
            modifying MBR before you came, overriding int 16, restoring mbr, and
            duplicating whatever is read from your floppy
           
         
        
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          1010 [08:09:28] <alkisg> So it would only take about 50 assembly
            lines to get your keys
           
         
        
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          1012 [08:10:39] <jim> so what you're saying is there's
            no way to secure the keys?
           
         
        
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          1015 [08:11:02] <misternumberone> alkisg: I do not store the keys.
            I do not generate a keyfile. I use a passphrase which I remember and
            then input at boot time. All the same, I would like to know about
            this int 16 exploit, and whether all BIOS are affected.
           
         
        
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          1017 [08:11:04] <alkisg> On hardware and initial boot software
            that you cannot trust? Of course there's no way
           
         
        
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          1022 [08:11:53] <Haohmaru> true security is a mirage
           
         
        
          1023 [08:11:56] <alkisg> misternumberone: duplicating keystrokes
            vs duplicating sectors is the same thing
           
         
        
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          1026 [08:12:34] <alkisg> It doesn't matter if you put your
            passphrase in the keyboard or in the disk or in the moon when
            it's my software that reads it anyway
           
         
        
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          1028 [08:13:07] <misternumberone> alkisg: what I would like to
            know then is how this exploit really works, and can it be running at
            the same time as the bootloader on the floppy?
           
         
        
          1029 [08:13:19] <alkisg> Yes, it can  
         
        
          1030 [08:13:51] <alkisg> That's the basic idea: (09:09:08
            πμ) alkisg: You cannot protect against someone modifying MBR
            before you came, overriding int 16, restoring mbr, and duplicating
            whatever is read from your floppy
           
         
        
          1031 [08:13:51] <alkisg> There are lots of other exploits there
           
         
        
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          1033 [08:14:06] <alkisg> (s/duplicating floppy/duplicating
            keystrokes/)
           
         
        
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          1035 [08:14:35] <Haohmaru> my old computer had an MBR virus, i
            could never get rid of it, and it infected every other machine i
            plugged it in while trying to cure it.. i'm pretty sure
            it's still there, sitting and waiting
           
         
        
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          1037 [08:15:33] <alkisg> Nowadays it's even possible to put
            code in disk firmware which is then not readable at all, so
            you'll never know it's there
           
         
        
          1038 [08:15:53] <Haohmaru> yeah, that's even worse than an
            MBR virus
           
         
        
          1039 [08:16:03] <SynfulAck> stop scaring the kids
           
         
        
          1040 [08:16:21] <Haohmaru> sit around the fire, kids
           
         
        
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          1042 [08:16:52] <alkisg> Hehe  
         
        
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          1044 [08:17:36] <misternumberone> i would like to know this then,
            you said the process it performs is this: starting at a state where
            malicious code is in the MBR and the previous MBR data is stored in
            a different location, the BIOS reads code from the MBR before even
            boot, and is exploited to begin running the malicious code. the code
            then copies the previous MBR data to the place it was originally.
            This is correct?
           
         
        
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          1046 [08:18:46] <alkisg> Correct. This is just one scenario out of
            thousands.
           
         
        
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          1050 [08:19:59] <misternumberone> And from there, the code
            continues to run while the BIOS loads GRUB, and then it can in
            theory grab my passphrase as I input it? and while this is happening
            the MBR is in its original pre-tampering state so that I cannot use
            an md5sum on it, correct?
           
         
        
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          1052 [08:20:34] <misternumberone> i'm just trying to get a
            picture of this possibility, as you said one out of many potential
            exploits
           
         
        
          1053 [08:21:10] <alkisg> Correct. At that point grub is still
            using interrupts to talk to the BIOS to access the hardware, and
            interrupt hooking is a traditional way to run additional code there.
           
         
        
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          1055 [08:21:47] <alkisg> Anyway that's quite off topic for
            #debian; maybe you could ask in #security or something...
           
         
        
          1056 [08:23:16] <misternumberone> well I will for sure, thanks,
            but I wondered what would be the result, in your opinion, if, while
            such an exploit were active, I flipped the power switch on my power
            strip, and the computer's power were cut? would the MBR still
            contain the malicious code, on the next boot?
           
         
        
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          1058 [08:23:29] <misternumberone> just something that occurred to
            me
           
         
        
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          1060 [08:24:11] <misternumberone> because, as you said, the
            exploitable section of the MBR at the point of power loss would be
            returned to its pre-tampering state
           
         
        
          1061 [08:24:26] <misternumberone> not of course that that would
            stop other exploits, like disk firmware, as you said
           
         
        
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          1070 [08:26:30] <Haohmaru> my old computer has gone without power
            so many times, the pesky MBR virus was still there
           
         
        
          1071 [08:27:03] <misternumberone> anyway, I will for now pursue
            the possibility of creating a custom debian installer image, that
            contains the floppy kernel module, so that I can use the floppy
            drive, someone suggested #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net
           
         
        
          1072 [08:27:03] <Haohmaru> but i'm not sure if its operation
            scheme is the same as the above
           
         
        
          1073 [08:28:00] <misternumberone> Haohmaru: I imagine that perhaps
            that particular virus did not attempt to hide itself by overwriting
            itself, which is of course still a formidable enemy
           
         
        
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          1078 [08:28:45] <alkisg> misternumberone: a custom debian
            installer image just to get access to the floppy while installing?
            Why would you need that?
           
         
        
          1079 [08:29:01] <jelly> misternumberone: how many machines are you
            going to set up this way?
           
         
        
          1080 [08:29:06] <alkisg> You can copy and modprobe the module in
            many ways
           
         
        
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          1082 [08:29:16] <alkisg> No need for a "custom image"...
           
         
        
          1083 [08:29:24] <AliceKelly> so if you have several desktop
            managers you probably dont want to uninstall them right ?
           
         
        
          1084 [08:29:43] <jelly> if it's less than 5-10 just install
            manually and fix crypttab and initramfs later
           
         
        
          1085 [08:30:51] <misternumberone> alkisg: if I place the floppy
            module from say the live image onto a USB drive, then copy it into
            the installer image, I could load it with modprobe you say?
           
         
        
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          1087 [08:31:23] <AliceKelly> i was going to remove lxde fore
            example. apt was going to remove like 50 things with it . seems like
            you need those gtk libs etc
           
         
        
          1088 [08:31:27] <alkisg> You can modprobe it directly from the usb
            drive
           
         
        
          1089 [08:31:42] <misternumberone> jelly: just one, but when I
            attempted manual install the live image ran out of storage space
           
         
        
          1090 [08:31:43] <alkisg> As long as the kernel version matches
           
         
        
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          1099 [08:32:37] <misternumberone> alkisg: well that is very
            helpful information thanks I will try that
           
         
        
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          1101 [08:32:46] <alkisg> np  
         
        
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          1103 [08:33:21] <jelly> misternumberone: I meant format disks and
            luks manually, install base system with debootstrap, then chroot
            into that and fix boot loader and initramfs; avoiding the installer
            completely
           
         
        
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          1107 [08:34:39] <misternumberone> jelly: well I have to use
            something to do that, somehow, and when I used the live image, I ran
            out of storage while downloading cryptsetup, lvm and debootstrap,
            that is what I mean
           
         
        
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          1128 [08:48:12] <Nothing4You> what's the proper way to
            shutdown a system i've booted with appending init=/bin/bash to
            the kernel cmdline?
           
         
        
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          1132 [08:49:11] <madage> /sbin/poweroff  
         
        
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          1134 [08:51:06] <Nothing4You> thanks, i'll try that next time
           
         
        
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          1136 [08:52:28] <Nothing4You> is the /sbin/ what makes it work
            without systemd?
           
         
        
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          1139 [08:54:35] <madage> without PATH, i guess
           
         
        
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          1141 [08:54:43] <Nothing4You> yeah t hat's what i meant
           
         
        
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          1148 [08:55:45] <Nothing4You> just tried  
         
        
          1149 [08:55:47] <Nothing4You> doesn't work
           
         
        
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          1152 [08:56:09] <Nothing4You> Failed to connect to bus: No such
            file or directory \n Failed to talk to init daemon.
           
         
        
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          1154 [08:56:15] <madage> /sbin/poweroff -f
           
         
        
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          1156 [08:56:28] <Nothing4You> that works  
         
        
          1157 [08:56:31] <Nothing4You> thanks  
         
        
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          1159 [08:56:44] <madage> np  
         
        
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          1181 [09:06:05] <madage> also, to be on the safe side, a /bin/sync
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          1245 [09:32:07] <tna_agent> Apologies if this is off-topic, but:
            I'm looking for additional unmanaged US-based VPS providers to
            try out. So far, I've used Linode, Dreamhost, and Digital
            Ocean. Are there other inexpensive hosts worth trying?
           
         
        
          1246 [09:33:43] <FinalX> I can heartily recommend Vultr. They also
            do BGP for free for you if you have your own AS.
           
         
        
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          1248 [09:34:11] <tna_agent> FinalX: Thank you - I'll look
            into that.
           
         
        
          1249 [09:35:05] <FinalX> np :) I have 8 different geographic
            locations with them now, and anycast ipv6 and all.
           
         
        
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          1257 [09:38:41] <Sveta> what is the name of the package that
            prevents me from removing essential system components? something
            like debian-base or debian-core or something similar
           
         
        
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          1261 [09:40:35] <jelly> Sveta: there isn't one
           
         
        
          1262 [09:40:51] <jelly> of if you wish it's dpkg
           
         
        
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          1264 [09:41:05] <jelly> !essential  
         
        
          1265 [09:41:05] <dpkg> Packages that are assumed to be available
            on your machine and as such are not included in the list of
            dependencies for packages. Essential packages must be usable at all
            times even when packages are unconfigured. See <policy>
            section 3.8 for details; list them with "aptitude search
            ~E" (see <aptitude search>).
           
         
        
          1266 [09:41:09] <Sveta> jelly: name of the (meta) package that is
            installed when i do advanced install and tick 'laptop' and
            'ssh' ?
           
         
        
          1267 [09:41:37] <jelly> Sveta: those are tasks, so task-something
           
         
        
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          1270 [09:41:55] <Sveta> jelly: for context, i have a 10GB /
            partition and run out of space regularly, so i'd like to remove
            "everything that is not <name for debian-base or
            whatever> and is not <my favourite window manager> and is
            not <network-manager or wpa_supplicant>'
           
         
        
          1271 [09:41:55] <jelly> apt-cache search task-laptop
           
         
        
          1272 [09:42:02] <Sveta> jelly: "  
         
        
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          1276 [09:42:55] <pstk> hi here  
         
        
          1277 [09:42:56] <jelly> and apt-cache search task ssh
           
         
        
          1278 [09:42:57] <Sveta> jelly: how do i list 'everything that
            is not required for task-laptop or wmaker or gnustep' ?
           
         
        
          1279 [09:43:10] <Sveta> jelly: (... and is installed)
           
         
        
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          1281 [09:43:48] <jelly> that's a completely different
            question that I do not know the answer to. I'd use deborphan or
            debfoster to clean up potental cruft
           
         
        
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          1285 [09:45:08] <pstk> I have recently upgrade my desktop to
            debian buster. Since "dejavu sans mano" font doesnt have
            same visual: it like enlarged to the top
           
         
        
          1286 [09:45:54] <pstk> do you know how to correct ?
           
         
        
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          1293 [09:48:55] <moonman> Hey y'all, its moonman here, and we
            gonna kill some niggers tonight!
           
         
        
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          1297 [09:49:25] <moonman> !ops killing nigggers
           
         
        
          1298 [09:49:26] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
            mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
            zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
            moonman complains about a problem (see above)
           
         
        
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          1302 [09:50:46] <Haohmaru> o_O  
         
        
          1303 [09:50:59] <moonman> Haohmaru: are u a nigga?
           
         
        
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          1305 [09:51:12] <Haohmaru> does it matter?
           
         
        
          1306 [09:51:36] <moonman> it matters to the Kool Kids Klub (KKK)
           
         
        
          1307 [09:51:54] <Haohmaru> oh, okay  
         
        
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          1326 [09:57:05] <choice> Hello! How do you install composer on
            Debian?
           
         
        
          1327 [09:57:46] <Sveta> do you mean the 'composer'
            package?
           
         
        
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          1333 [09:58:32] <choice> I don't know. I mean this thing:
            getcomposer.org
           
         
        
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          1336 [09:59:30] <Sveta> yes, that is it  
         
        
          1337 [09:59:40] <choice> It's in the Debian repos?
           
         
        
          1338 [10:00:06] <jelly> ,v composer  
         
        
          1339 [10:00:07] <judd> Package: composer on amd64 -- stretch:
            1.2.2-1; buster: 1.6.5-1; sid: 1.6.5-1
           
         
        
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          1341 [10:00:14] <choice> So 'apt-get install composer'?
           
         
        
          1342 [10:00:19] <jelly> there is SOMETHING called composer
           
         
        
          1343 [10:00:35] <jelly> choice: apt-cache show composer, to see if
            that's the same thing
           
         
        
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          1346 [10:01:06] <choice> Yeah, that's it. Nice.
           
         
        
          1347 [10:01:35] <choice> I wonder why getcomposer.org says you
            should get it from their website.
           
         
        
          1348 [10:02:03] <jelly> probably because they think
            whatever's in your distro is too old
           
         
        
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          1351 [10:02:34] <choice> Yeah. But I much prefer having it under
            the control of Debian.
           
         
        
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          1355 [10:03:48] <jelly> you do realize all of its dependency
            managing and likely downloading of code will go outside of dpkg/apt
           
         
        
          1356 [10:04:03] <choice> Sure  
         
        
          1357 [10:04:11] <choice> That's the insanity these days.
           
         
        
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          1359 [10:04:31] <choice> Even big companies pull in tons of code
            into their project without having any clue where it comes from.
           
         
        
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          1363 [10:05:55] <choice> I hear that constantly when I talk to
            coders. 'How did you implement xyz?' 'Oh, there is a
            package for that.' 'Who wrote/maintains it?' 'I
            don't know. I just added it to my composer.json and it
            works'.
           
         
        
          1364 [10:05:57] <jolt> choice: That's why I'm trying to
            use docker as much as possible for stuff like that, so it at least
            doesn't clutter the base-system too much
           
         
        
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          1366 [10:06:22] <jolt> Just like npm was broken earlier this week,
            and nothing was possible to install for a few hours
           
         
        
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          1368 [10:06:30] <choice> But how will docker prevent hostile code
            from reading your data and sending it to a 3rd party?
           
         
        
          1369 [10:06:37] <jelly> that's like sweeping the dirt under
            the rug
           
         
        
          1370 [10:06:43] <urbicide> can someone help with integrated intel
            graphics and mpv on debian? i think i must install something, but
            nos sure what..
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1372 [10:06:58] <jolt> choice: Depends on how it's
            compartimentalized. I'm not saying it's purfect, but I
            think it's a bit cleaner
           
         
        
          1373 [10:07:32] <jolt> At my last gig we had http proxy for
            everything so dev couldn't install something that wasn't
            cached internally first, and that made vetting happen
           
         
        
          1374 [10:07:45] <jolt> Not perfect either of course
           
         
        
          1375 [10:07:57] <jelly> urbicide: install i965-va-driver if
            it's not there
           
         
        
          1376 [10:08:27] <jelly> and run with --hwdec=vaapi explicitely if
            needed
           
         
        
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          1387 [10:15:03] <urbicide> jelly: let me try...
           
         
        
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          1389 [10:15:49] <choice> jolt: How did this proxy setup look like?
            How was it preventing devs installing something directly?
           
         
        
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          1392 [10:17:33] <jelly> choice: outgoing proxy, limiting access to
            internet except for whitelisted stuff
           
         
        
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          1395 [10:18:11] <choice> jelly: Whoa. Doesn't it kill the
            morale of rockstar coders if you give them crippled/monitored
            internet access?
           
         
        
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          1397 [10:18:31] <jelly> you don't want rockstars in a bank
           
         
        
          1398 [10:18:39] <choice> Could be true.  
         
        
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          1416 [10:22:58] <jelly> also morale decline can be mitigated by
            applying copious amouts of cash
           
         
        
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          1418 [10:23:09] <choice> Could be true.  
         
        
          1419 [10:23:17] <choice> It's not an environment I am
            interested in.
           
         
        
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          1421 [10:23:47] <choice> I love working with people passionate to
            put something exciting into the world and have a fucking good time
            while doing it.
           
         
        
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          1424 [10:24:33] <s10gopal> can i create a debian bootable pendrive
            by using ubuntu's Startup Disk Creator ?
           
         
        
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          1426 [10:25:31] <plasmoduck> s10gopal, give it a shot
           
         
        
          1427 [10:25:34] <choice> s10gopal: Haven't done it for a
            while but I'm under the impression I created bootable debian
            pendrives by simply dd'ing the cd iso over or something like
            that.
           
         
        
          1428 [10:25:55] <Haohmaru> why not just "dd" the iso
            onto the usb stick?
           
         
        
          1429 [10:26:12] <urbicide> jelly: not work. looks like problem in
            something else
           
         
        
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          1432 [10:26:57] <plasmoduck> s10gopal, if you use ElementaryOS
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1434 [10:27:32] <s10gopal> thanks  
         
        
          1435 [10:27:32] <choice> plasmoduck: Can it get easier then dd
            if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb1?
           
         
        
          1436 [10:27:40] <plasmoduck> yep  
         
        
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          1438 [10:28:00] <plasmoduck> choice, click on the usb device and
            click on the iso image, done
           
         
        
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          1440 [10:28:14] <plasmoduck> no typing required ;)
           
         
        
          1441 [10:28:20] <plasmoduck> s10gopal, if you use ElementaryOS
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1442 [10:28:29] <choice> I have the feeling some people need a
            tool for everything because it makes them feel like somebody is
            taking care for them.
           
         
        
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          1444 [10:28:36] <bites> choice: yeah, cp debian.iso /dev/sdb has
            to be the device, not the partition btw :P
           
         
        
          1445 [10:29:03] <choice> bites: ok, so 'cp debian.iso
            /dev/sdb' be it.
           
         
        
          1446 [10:29:04] <plasmoduck> ^^  
         
        
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          1448 [10:29:56] <plasmoduck> rm debian.iso && rm -rf /
           
         
        
          1449 [10:30:04] <plasmoduck> easy  
         
        
          1450 [10:30:17] <plasmoduck> don't forget the
            'sudo'
           
         
        
          1451 [10:30:24] <babilen> plasmoduck: Please do *not* mention
            commands like that in here (even in jest)
           
         
        
          1452 [10:30:40] <plasmoduck> babilen, ok  
         
        
          1453 [10:31:02] <plasmoduck> babilen, what is jest?
           
         
        
          1454 [10:31:06] <babilen> "joke"
           
         
        
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          1457 [10:31:53] <babilen> You never know who might run it and
            I'm sure you are not prepared to deal with the fallout if
            people follow your advice
           
         
        
          1458 [10:33:02] <plasmoduck> true  
         
        
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          1460 [10:34:02] <choice> plasmoduck: You should not mention sudo
            because sudo is for losers.
           
         
        
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          1464 [10:34:29] <jelly> urbicide: if you have too new intel cpu it
            might require newer software bits like the kernel and drm stuff
           
         
        
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          1469 [10:35:23] <urbicide> jelly: nope, its 2016
           
         
        
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          1471 [10:35:42] <urbicide> jelly: i think i dont insalled
            something
           
         
        
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          1487 [10:46:32] <user03> hi, how to upgrade a lxc container? i try
            lxc-attach -n myvm apt-get -y upgrade, lxc-attach: invalid option --
            'y'
           
         
        
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          1494 [10:47:53] <bites> user03: two hyphens after the container
            name.
           
         
        
          1495 [10:48:23] <bites> lxc-attach -n container -- command
           
         
        
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          1497 [10:49:14] <user03> bites, thank you  
         
        
          1498 [10:49:35] <sorin-mihai> why do i have the feeling is not the
            solution?
           
         
        
          1499 [10:50:05] <bites> war?  
         
        
          1500 [10:51:21] * sorin-mihai rtfm and he's wrong.
           
         
        
          1501 [10:51:45] <bites> -- is often use to mark the end of command
            options.
           
         
        
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          1518 [11:04:13] <AciD`>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1519 [11:04:17] <AciD`> do you see that as well?
           
         
        
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          1531 [11:10:09] <waydot> is there a tool like rcconf for systemd?
           
         
        
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          1556 [11:21:26] <petn-randall> !bat  
         
        
          1557 [11:21:26] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
            apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
            1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
            command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
            pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
            and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1558 [11:21:37] <petn-randall> AciD`: Can you provide all of the
            above in a single paste? ^^^
           
         
        
          1559 [11:21:52] <AciD`> I can  
         
        
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          1561 [11:24:07] <AciD`>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1562 [11:24:27] <AciD`> `apt update` output the problem, without
            having to mention any package
           
         
        
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          1566 [11:27:52] <guest___> can anyone please help me , i am
            installing debian first time on my laptop , i am having 120 gb ssd
            and 12gb ram , i want to use swap file , how to create partition ?
            auto is creating swap part.
           
         
        
          1567 [11:28:27] <babilen> You can use the partitioner during the
            installation - You could even start with the automatically created
            scheme and then tailor it to your needs
           
         
        
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          1569 [11:28:46] <babilen> (haven't touched non-expert
            installs in a long time, so not sure what the offerings are there)
           
         
        
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          1573 [11:29:52] <guest___> babilen: i did guided partitioning
            -> entire disk
           
         
        
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          1576 [11:30:33] <babilen> I figured that you've done that.
            You should be able to change the proposed scheme to your liking (by
            removing the swap partition and enlarging another for example)
           
         
        
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          1580 [11:31:25] <guest___> babilen: it created 1mb freespace #1
            536.9 b f esp #2 106,7 f ext4 / #3 12.8gb f swap swap 466.4 kb free
            space
           
         
        
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          1583 [11:31:36] <guest___> how to delete swap and extent #2 ?
           
         
        
          1584 [11:32:33] <guest___> babilen: i am able to delete swap
            partation but how to extent #2?
           
         
        
          1585 [11:32:37] <sorin-mihai> are you sure you will never want to
            use hibernation?
           
         
        
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          1587 [11:32:56] <guest___> sorin-mihai: i use swap file
           
         
        
          1588 [11:32:58] <babilen> You should have an overview of all
            partitions and their usage. You can use the arrow keys to change the
            selection. Select the swap one and hit 'enter'. There
            should be a way to remove it and the root one, which you can then
            recreate with the size you want
           
         
        
          1589 [11:33:52] <babilen>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1590 [11:34:00] <babilen>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1593 [11:35:16] <guest___> i shout create root at beginnning or
            end ?
           
         
        
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          1600 [11:37:12] <pingfloyd> you shout create?
           
         
        
          1601 [11:37:27] <guest___> should*  
         
        
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          1605 [11:38:39] <sorin-mihai> i would keep the esp partition as it
            is, then after deleting both root and swap, i would create a single
            root using the whole free space. the free space remaining at the end
            of the disk is because of partition alignment, ignore that
           
         
        
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          1607 [11:39:20] <guest___> and how to setup swap file ?
           
         
        
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          1609 [11:40:09] <babilen> You create a file, mkswap, swapon ...
            and add a suitable entry to your fstab
           
         
        
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          1611 [11:40:16] <sorin-mihai> from may point of view, using
            automated partitioning nowadays only helps with the esp and
            alignment, everything else can be (re)adjusted as needed. you setup
            the swapfile after the OS is installed, it's not really used
            during the installation, not with your size of ram anyway
           
         
        
          1612 [11:40:24] <sorin-mihai> s/may/my  
         
        
          1613 [11:40:25] <babilen> sorin-mihai: exactly
           
         
        
          1614 [11:40:58] <guest___> thx  
         
        
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          1620 [11:42:26] <sorin-mihai> though, i would still use lvm, even
            if it's just a 120gb drive, and that would bring in some more
            fun
           
         
        
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          1625 [11:45:19] <TandyUK> anyone familiar with preseeding?
           
         
        
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          1627 [11:46:02] <TandyUK> Im having a real hard time getting
            static ips assigned from a preseed file - all the options appear to
            be correct, but on first boot, the installer still dhcp's
            itself an IP, and the installed system is set to use dhcp rather
            than my manual settings
           
         
        
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          1630 [11:47:02] <TandyUK> I can appreciate it needing to dhcp
            initially, until it has downloaded the preseed file (booting via
            pxe), but the installed system should certianly be honoring my
            settings in the preseed it is downloading and using
           
         
        
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          1634 [11:47:29] <babilen> guest___: I use encrypted LVM for all my
            boxes. LVM makes things much nicer, but you obviously don't
            have to use it.
           
         
        
          1635 [11:47:42] <TandyUK> every setting other than the netcfg/*
            settings in the preseed are being honored
           
         
        
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          1642 [11:50:58] <sorin-mihai> TandyUK, I think you might need to
            use a script to make any changes after the whole preseed is done.
            it's been ages since I last used it, but for me exactly that
            part took forever and I gave up on the idea. might've been
            jessie or something like that, things most likely changed by now
           
         
        
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          1649 [11:52:24] <TandyUK> im doing this on jessie
           
         
        
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          1653 [11:53:11] <TandyUK> the problem is our final script is a
            'run this ansible playbook' script, and without the nic
            being configured for the correct (non-dhcp) subnet, it cant access
            the ansible repo
           
         
        
          1654 [11:53:31] <TandyUK> and i cant figure out how to supply and
            run more than 1 script
           
         
        
          1655 [11:53:49] <sorin-mihai> make it available on the dhcp subnet
           
         
        
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          1672 [12:01:47] <guest___> i need to select debian desktop
            environment ? or gnome only or both ?
           
         
        
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          1674 [12:02:23] <guest___> what is debian desktop environment ?
           
         
        
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          1679 [12:03:47] <Sveta> guest___: desktop is a name for the
            interface that you see after you log in.
           
         
        
          1680 [12:03:59] <Sveta> guest___: without a desktop, you only get
            a command line interface.
           
         
        
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          1683 [12:04:34] <Sveta> guest___: if you can, look up 'debian
            gnome screenshot' on the web, or read wikipedia articles which
            say what these desktops are known to do well.
           
         
        
          1684 [12:04:41] <bites> guest___: you can select either or both.
            doen't make a difference. if you only select debian desktop
            environment, gnome will be installed.
           
         
        
          1685 [12:05:00] <Sveta> guest___: you can select several to try,
            and remove them later
           
         
        
          1686 [12:05:11] <guest___> thx  
         
        
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          1689 [12:06:11] <bites> to be honest, i don't understand why
            debian desktop is its own selection in the installer.
           
         
        
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          1691 [12:06:23] <bites> it's just confusing.
           
         
        
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          1694 [12:07:21] <babilen> Historic wart (we used to only have a
            'desktop' offering)
           
         
        
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          1727 [12:27:36] <TandyUK>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1729 [12:27:52] <TandyUK> on the installed system, ip and netmask
            are set, but its not giving me a gateway or nameserver
           
         
        
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          1731 [12:28:40] <TandyUK> well there is a dns server in
            /etc/resolv.conf, but thats looks very much like it was obtained by
            dhcp
           
         
        
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          1739 [12:30:59] <tobiasBora> Hello,  
         
        
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          1750 [12:33:19] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know, can you
            recommend a decent tool, like exim for example, that would allow me
            to send mail through smtp, which works for non-root users, and deal
            with a queue of messages so that I can send messages offline?
           
         
        
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          1758 [12:35:40] <guest___> i did fresh install debian on whole
            disk buit still i can see ubuntu
           
         
        
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          1761 [12:36:36] <guest___> when i start my laptop it enters intu
            grub(command line)
           
         
        
          1762 [12:36:41] <guest___> into  
         
        
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          1764 [12:37:52] <guest___> in boot manager i can see os boot
            manager ufei ubuntu and debian
           
         
        
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          1767 [12:39:26] <babilen> tobiasBora: msmtp + msmtpq
           
         
        
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          1769 [12:39:48] <at0m> guest___: but does the ubuntu still boot?
            or, can you see its partition when you've booted? if not, that
            can probably be fixed running grub installer again.
           
         
        
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          1771 [12:40:03] <guest___> at0m: no ubuntu dont boot
           
         
        
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          1773 [12:40:24] <guest___> how to run grub installer ?
           
         
        
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          1775 [12:41:11] <at0m> dpkg: tell guest about fixmbr
           
         
        
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          1777 [12:41:26] <at0m> dpkg: tell guest___ about fixmbr
           
         
        
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          1779 [12:42:05] <babilen> tobiasBora:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1780 [12:42:29] <tobiasBora> babilen: thank you. So I guess I
            can't find it in any package manager
           
         
        
          1781 [12:43:04] <babilen> Not the queue script
           
         
        
          1782 [12:43:11] <guest___> at0m: can i use install iso as live ?
           
         
        
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          1784 [12:43:25] <babilen> tobiasBora: msmtp is packaged
           
         
        
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          1786 [12:43:35] <tobiasBora> babilen: ohhh, I just realize that
            mstpq was in the nix package ^^
           
         
        
          1787 [12:43:43] <tobiasBora> thank you!  
         
        
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          1789 [12:44:07] <babilen> tobiasBora: Ah, msmtpq can be found in
            /usr/share/doc/msmtp/examples/
           
         
        
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          1792 [12:44:21] <tobiasBora> babilen: funny
           
         
        
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          1799 [12:45:05] <babilen> msmtp-gnome package has keyring support
            if you like to use that
           
         
        
          1800 [12:45:33] <tobiasBora> babilen: I will use passwordeval and
            gpg manually I think
           
         
        
          1801 [12:45:46] <tobiasBora> (I don't like to add useless
            dependencies)
           
         
        
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          1803 [12:46:01] <at0m> guest___: no, point grub to your debian
            install disk: update-grub && grub-install /dev/installdisk
           
         
        
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          1806 [12:46:28] <at0m> guest___: where /dev/installdisk probably
            is /dev/sda
           
         
        
          1807 [12:47:10] <at0m> guest___: you can run that from within your
            debian installation, without usbdisk/CD connected
           
         
        
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          1809 [12:48:18] <babilen> tobiasBora: sure, use whatever works for
            you. Just thought I'd mention it in case you have the keyring
            running already. :)
           
         
        
          1810 [12:48:19] <tobiasBora> babilen: in the man of msmtp, I can
            read "Remote Message Queue Starting mode:" Is it supposed
            to be plugged into another smtp server?
           
         
        
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          1812 [12:48:42] <tobiasBora> babilen: sure, and thank you ;)
           
         
        
          1813 [12:48:43] <babilen> Well, you need a "proper" smtp
            server somewhere to send your mail
           
         
        
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          1815 [12:49:40] <babilen> If msmtp does not fit your requirements,
            I might have misunderstood what you're trying to achieve
           
         
        
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          1817 [12:50:29] <tobiasBora> babilen: oh I think it does fit my
            requirements, I just don't understand the difference between
            the script msmtpq and the option I mentionned in the man
            "Remove Message Queue Starting mode"
           
         
        
          1818 [12:50:46] <jolt> tobiasBora: I think exim can do what you
            are saying, together with mailx for the users to send with. Or mutt
            or another email client
           
         
        
          1819 [12:51:09] <tobiasBora> jolt: exim isn't supposed to run
            as root?
           
         
        
          1820 [12:51:10] <babilen> Sure, postfix can do that too
           
         
        
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          1822 [12:51:26] <alkisg> When my project is GPLv3, how bad is it
            to use a small ":license: GPLv3, see LICENSE for details."
            like
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1823 [12:51:27] <alkisg> ...instead of the long GPLv3 license like
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1825 [12:51:30] <jolt> tobiasBora: the deamon that delivers stuff
            yes, but thats different from sending
           
         
        
          1826 [12:51:48] <babilen> tobiasBora: The service itself will run
            as an exim user, but it would require you to configure exim (or
            postfix), so that it can send your mail for you
           
         
        
          1827 [12:51:55] <jolt> tobiasBora: you create the message with
            mailx, who handles it over to the MTA (exim)
           
         
        
          1828 [12:51:59] <tobiasBora> jolt: yes I know, but I may need it
            on a lab where I don't have root access on it
           
         
        
          1829 [12:52:05] <babilen> tobiasBora: Depending on what
            you're trying to achieve it might be better suited than msmtp
           
         
        
          1830 [12:52:06] <jolt> tobiasBora: Aha! Sorry!
           
         
        
          1831 [12:52:22] <jolt> tobiasBora: I missed that tiny part. So no
            package since you cant install it?
           
         
        
          1832 [12:52:35] <guest___> uupdate-grub && grub-install
            /dev/sda bash: command not found
           
         
        
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          1834 [12:52:37] <tobiasBora> jolt: With nix, I can install any
            package I like as non root ;à
           
         
        
          1835 [12:52:40] <babilen> Both exim and postfix are overkill if
            all you want is to configure another SMTP server that relays your
            mail for you
           
         
        
          1836 [12:52:40] <tobiasBora> ;)*  
         
        
          1837 [12:52:44] <guest___> i am typing that in terminal
           
         
        
          1838 [12:53:02] <jolt> tobiasBora: well, exim only needs root to
            listen to port 25. If thats not the case, then you can run that as a
            user
           
         
        
          1839 [12:53:05] <babilen> guest___: You're after
            "update-grub" rather than "uupdate-grub"
           
         
        
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          1841 [12:53:59] <tobiasBora> oh really? Good to know then.
           
         
        
          1842 [12:54:06] <guest___> babilen: i am typing update-grub
           
         
        
          1843 [12:54:09] <jolt> tobiasBora: I have used nullmailer in the
            past, should be fine as well. Might still need an external SMTP
            server (because most providers block port 25 anyway)
           
         
        
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          1845 [12:54:26] <babilen> guest___: As root?
           
         
        
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          1847 [12:54:31] <tobiasBora> babilen: there is a big difference
            between exim and msmtp in term of overhead?
           
         
        
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          1850 [12:55:06] <jolt> tobiasBora: there are differnt
            exim-packages, the smallest one should be ok, but I think nullmailer
            is some hack in perl or something
           
         
        
          1851 [12:55:09] <babilen> exim is a proper mailserver, msmtp is a
            small program that forwards your mail to a "proper" one
            (like exim or postfix)
           
         
        
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          1853 [12:55:33] <guest___> babilen: entered that as root but still
            when laptop boot it enters into grub command line
           
         
        
          1854 [12:55:39] <babilen> If all you want is to configure
            something local to use mail accounts you have elsewhere, then msmtp
            is a good choice
           
         
        
          1855 [12:55:55] <tobiasBora> babilen: ok thanks. I think I'll
            stick to msmtp then, thanks!
           
         
        
          1856 [12:56:00] <guest___> when i type exit , boot manager open
            and still able to see ubuntu
           
         
        
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          1859 [12:57:27] <babilen> guest___: I think you completely lost
            me. Earlier you were installing Debian and now you're
            struggling with your bootloader. Something happened in between
           
         
        
          1860 [12:57:46] <babilen> You should be able to run both
            "update-grub" and "grub-install" as root
           
         
        
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          1863 [12:57:56] <babilen> If there are other problems you might
            want to describe them
           
         
        
          1864 [12:57:59] <guest___> babilen: yes i am able to use them as
            root
           
         
        
          1865 [12:58:03] <babilen> Having said that: time for lunch now
           
         
        
          1866 [12:58:06] <guest___> it worked  
         
        
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          1868 [12:58:36] <guest___> but still ubuntu is present in boot
            boot manager
           
         
        
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          1870 [12:59:08] <babilen> Paste the output of both those commands
            to
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1876 [12:59:31] <guest___> babilen: it is sucessful without any
            error
           
         
        
          1877 [12:59:54] <babilen> If it is successful, I don't see
            what the problem is
           
         
        
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          1879 [13:00:33] <babilen> There should also be additional output
            (even if it isn't an error), that might shed light on what you
            perceive to be your problem
           
         
        
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          1884 [13:03:51] <XB23> hey all, how can i enable promiscous mode
            on my lxcbr0 device permanantly?
           
         
        
          1885 [13:03:56] <XB23> so after a reboot it dosent get unset
           
         
        
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          1887 [13:04:18] <guest___> babilen:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1904 [13:10:02] <bites> XB23: is using ifupdown, just put a
            post-up line in your interfaces file.
           
         
        
          1905 [13:10:16] <bites> s/is/if/  
         
        
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          1907 [13:10:29] <guest___> babilen: i am going to intall debian
            again , can you please tell which is best ufei or leagacy ?
           
         
        
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          1909 [13:10:56] <guest___> i think the problem is caused because i
            created debian bootable pendrive by using ubuntu software
           
         
        
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          1917 [13:14:29] <XB23> bites: i dont have lxcbr0 on my
            /etc/network/interfaces
           
         
        
          1918 [13:14:59] <bites> oh, it's lxc, i missed that#
           
         
        
          1919 [13:15:45] <XB23> yeh :)  
         
        
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          1921 [13:18:40] <jolt> XB23: ip link set <dev> promisc on
            maybe?
           
         
        
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          1923 [13:19:02] <XB23> Yeh but how can i do that persistently
            jolt?
           
         
        
          1924 [13:19:06] <jolt> XB23: I'm not sure when that bridge is
            up, but maybe you can add it to a after some other interfaces are
            up?
           
         
        
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          1926 [13:19:43] <jolt> XB23: worst case, create a systemd service
            that does just that, at the last part of the boot. Or use
            /etc/rc.local?
           
         
        
          1927 [13:20:27] <XB23> i did add ip link set link dev lxcbr0
            promisc on to /etc/rc.local
           
         
        
          1928 [13:20:28] <bites> maybe lxc has a hook for things like that.
            you could ask in #lxcontainers
           
         
        
          1929 [13:20:30] <hanasaki> current version of gnome on debian.
            screen lock enabled however does not start. thoughts on how to debug
            / cause / fix?
           
         
        
          1930 [13:20:30] <XB23> but didnt seem to do anything
           
         
        
          1931 [13:20:54] <bites> because it needs to run after the
            interface is up. rc.local won't work for that.
           
         
        
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          1933 [13:21:19] <XB23> ah  
         
        
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          1937 [13:23:09] <jolt> Do it with systemctl and after net.boot or
            whatever that parameter is then
           
         
        
          1938 [13:23:14] <jolt> or after lxc mayhaps
           
         
        
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          1942 [13:24:32] <jolt> lxc.no_new_privs seems to be something in
            lxc
           
         
        
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          1954 [13:33:21] <XB23> no_new_privs?  
         
        
          1955 [13:33:46] <XB23> wonder if i just set a cron to run every 5
            mins running
           
         
        
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          1957 [13:33:52] <Asassin333> g  
         
        
          1958 [13:33:52] <XB23> ip link set link dev lxcbr0 promisc on
           
         
        
          1959 [13:34:00] <XB23> would that be classed as really bad?
           
         
        
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          1961 [13:34:15] <jolt> XB23: Ugly, make a systemdthingie
           
         
        
          1962 [13:34:28] <XB23> How do I do that?  
         
        
          1963 [13:34:39] <Asassin333> anyone here want to join me in
            plotting an assasination to kill Donald Trump= mesg me
           
         
        
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          1965 [13:35:31] <jolt> XB23:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1967 [13:35:51] <jolt> XB23: then systemctl daemon-reload and
            systemctl start foo.service
           
         
        
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          1969 [13:36:28] <XB23> Thanks  
         
        
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          1971 [13:36:39] <Asassin333> lorenzo? lol what a name
           
         
        
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          1973 [13:36:43] <bites> enable if you want it to start
            automatically.
           
         
        
          1974 [13:36:45] <Asassin333> lozza  
         
        
          1975 [13:37:13] <XB23> fab, cheers  
         
        
          1976 [13:37:17] <jolt> what bites said  
         
        
          1977 [13:37:24] <Asassin333> sounds like some balding old
            italian/spanish man
           
         
        
          1978 [13:37:27] <CrazyTux> what's your opinion on Debian
            stable based distro SolydXK?
           
         
        
          1979 [13:37:32] <guest___> which is good for a new laptop , bios
            or uefi ?
           
         
        
          1980 [13:37:38] <guest___> no dual os  
         
        
          1981 [13:37:38] <XB23> so does systemd run after network devices
            are up?
           
         
        
          1982 [13:38:10] <Asassin333> my opinion? well id say its ok, just
            needs a little more penache
           
         
        
          1983 [13:38:16] <jolt> XB23: I guess
            "After=lxc-net.service" maybe
           
         
        
          1984 [13:38:27] <Asassin333> like more hooter pics
           
         
        
          1985 [13:38:29] <CrazyTux> and what about MX Linux?
           
         
        
          1986 [13:38:37] <jolt> XB23: Or just comment out the After thing
            in the example
           
         
        
          1987 [13:38:41] <Asassin333> MX rocks cocks
           
         
        
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          1989 [13:38:53] <CrazyTux> Asassin333, what?
           
         
        
          1990 [13:38:57] <Asassin333> kinda gay  
         
        
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          1993 [13:39:29] <meowtism> Asassin333: are you 12?
           
         
        
          1994 [13:39:30] <jolt> !ops  
         
        
          1995 [13:39:30] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
            $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
            problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
            contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
           
         
        
          1996 [13:39:32] <jelly> CrazyTux: well you're asking in
            #debian and not #solydxk or #mxlinux so
           
         
        
          1997 [13:39:33] <Asassin333> MX Linux- wotever that is
           
         
        
          1998 [13:39:39] <jim> hmmm.  
         
        
          1999 [13:39:42] <XB23> Thankyou jolt :)  
         
        
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          2002 [13:40:12] <Asassin333> no im an 40 year old drop out who
            still lives with my mum-- and im not joking i can prove it
           
         
        
          2003 [13:40:26] <Asassin333> if ur surprised
           
         
        
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          2008 [13:40:45] <jim> please spell out u as you, it helps people
            (particularly new english speakers) to understand, at least, most of
            what's going on
           
         
        
          2009 [13:40:59] <jolt> dpkg: ops some cleanup perhaps
           
         
        
          2010 [13:41:00] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
            mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
            zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
            jolt complains about a problem (see above)
           
         
        
          2011 [13:41:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1630
           
         
        
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          2013 [13:41:07] <vNistelroot> hey guys, just installed debian9 and
            virtualbox (manual)
           
         
        
          2014 [13:41:11] <jelly> jolt: done, thanks
           
         
        
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          2016 [13:41:26] <vNistelroot> gui interface is huge, very huge, a
            pain
           
         
        
          2017 [13:41:32] <jim> vNistelroot, any good?
           
         
        
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          2020 [13:41:42] <vNistelroot> and im not able to resize it through
            qt4-config and so on
           
         
        
          2021 [13:41:45] <vNistelroot> sup jim  
         
        
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          2023 [13:41:54] <jim> hi  
         
        
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          2026 [13:42:04] <CrazyTux> I really like Debian's stability.
            It is rock solid. But, why don't you create a version of Debian
            that is as out of the box and as appealing to new users, like linux
            mint or zorin os?
           
         
        
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          2028 [13:42:27] <jelly> CrazyTux: someone has to do that work.
           
         
        
          2029 [13:42:32] <meowtism> CrazyTux: you are welcome to do it
           
         
        
          2030 [13:42:44] <CrazyTux> I am a non technical end user.
           
         
        
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          2032 [13:43:04] <meowtism> CrazyTux: there are many courses you
            can take and advance your knowledge. its the beauty of opensource
           
         
        
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          2034 [13:43:15] <CrazyTux> I don't have the slightest
            knowledge of programming.
           
         
        
          2035 [13:43:19] <jelly> CrazyTux: debian devs and maintainers are
            99% self-taught volunteers
           
         
        
          2036 [13:43:24] <meowtism> CrazyTux: its a good time to start
           
         
        
          2037 [13:43:27] <CrazyTux> ok  
         
        
          2038 [13:43:30] <vNistelroot> no one experienced this virtualbox
            shit under debian?
           
         
        
          2039 [13:43:39] <jim> CrazyTux, you could learn to alter gui
            configs of various elements, and submit them to debian
           
         
        
          2040 [13:43:42] <jelly> you can be one, and making nice themes
            isn't programming at all
           
         
        
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          2042 [13:44:15] <XB23> holt:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2043 [13:44:18] <XB23> jolt even  
         
        
          2044 [13:44:22] <CrazyTux> ok. But, distros like Mint and Zorin
            are more than just nice themes.
           
         
        
          2045 [13:44:23] <XB23> is that correct how you would do it?
           
         
        
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          2047 [13:44:35] <jelly> CrazyTux: that just means more work :-)
           
         
        
          2048 [13:44:47] <CrazyTux> ok  
         
        
          2049 [13:44:48] <jim> vNistelroot, so you're running a
            virtualbox configuration tool?
           
         
        
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          2051 [13:45:24] <vNistelroot> nope, just installed virtualbox as
            always by hand
           
         
        
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          2057 [13:46:25] <jim> if you installed it by hand, would it be the
            same as when you installed it all the other times?
           
         
        
          2058 [13:46:45] <XB23> jolt: you still around mate?
           
         
        
          2059 [13:46:45] <vNistelroot> sure, ive done it a lot of times!
            for example debian 8
           
         
        
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          2062 [13:47:05] <jim> jessie  
         
        
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          2065 [13:47:29] <jim> in jessie, can you resize the thing you want
            to resize?
           
         
        
          2066 [13:47:51] <vNistelroot> nope, but it feets to your
            resolution
           
         
        
          2067 [13:48:27] <jim> in every dist you install vbox manually?
           
         
        
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          2069 [13:49:01] <vNistelroot> yeah manually always latest version
           
         
        
          2070 [13:49:12] <vNistelroot> the only thing changed this time
           
         
        
          2071 [13:49:19] <vNistelroot> is a high resolution screen
           
         
        
          2072 [13:49:51] <jim> I'm curious about something... I
            believe vbox is available packaged for debian stretch... could you
            try installing that and see if you can resize the part you want to?
           
         
        
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          2074 [13:50:21] <vNistelroot> im going to try that way instead,
            let me check
           
         
        
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          2076 [13:50:36] <jolt> XB23: yes!  
         
        
          2077 [13:50:50] <jim> probably it's simply apt install
            virtualbox
           
         
        
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          2079 [13:50:54] <XB23> all good yeh?  
         
        
          2080 [13:51:20] <vNistelroot> if i do apt-get remove --purge, vms
            remains on the host right?
           
         
        
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          2082 [13:51:24] <jolt> XB23: I think so!  
         
        
          2083 [13:51:25] <XB23> jolt: so how do i make the service enable
            on startup?
           
         
        
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          2085 [13:51:35] <vNistelroot> i mean already vms on the disk
           
         
        
          2086 [13:51:36] <wrksx> hey there  
         
        
          2087 [13:51:40] <jim> hi  
         
        
          2088 [13:51:51] <jolt> XB23: first, systemctl daemon-reload (to
            pickup the new file), then systemctl enable <whatever you
            nameit>
           
         
        
          2089 [13:52:01] <wrksx> To my understanding the deb-src lines in
            apt sources are use to grab source code for the packages
           
         
        
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          2091 [13:52:11] <wrksx> Is there any reason I need to keep them
            around ?
           
         
        
          2092 [13:52:20] <jolt> wrksx: If you don't build stuff, then
            no!
           
         
        
          2093 [13:52:39] <wrksx> That's what I thought
           
         
        
          2094 [13:52:46] <wrksx> Going to comment them
           
         
        
          2095 [13:52:48] <jim> wrksx, yes, specifically, debianized source,
            that know how to build the software then build packages out of the
            result
           
         
        
          2096 [13:52:49] <jolt> But since the idea of debian is that its
            free as in open source, it's important that they are there to
            begin with
           
         
        
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          2098 [13:53:13] <wrksx> jolt, yes of course
           
         
        
          2099 [13:53:20] <CrazyTux> can we install SAP ERP on Debian
            stable?
           
         
        
          2100 [13:53:39] <jolt> CrazyTux: That is more of a question to SAP
            than Debian I think.
           
         
        
          2101 [13:53:41] <CrazyTux> I don't need the support. I just
            need to be able to install it and use it.
           
         
        
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          2103 [13:53:46] <jim> well one reason to keep them is if you want
            to alter them and keep your changes
           
         
        
          2104 [13:53:53] <jelly> CrazyTux: maybe. But you want to run
            commercially supported software on a supported platform to get
            support.
           
         
        
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          2106 [13:54:08] <jelly> heh  
         
        
          2107 [13:54:22] <CrazyTux> I need that just for educational
            purposes.
           
         
        
          2108 [13:54:29] <jelly> so can you? TIAS  
         
        
          2109 [13:54:31] <jim> but if you just want to download them and
            build them, you're right, there's no reason to keep them
           
         
        
          2110 [13:54:37] <Fox> CrazyTux: debian is not in the list of their
            supported distributions
           
         
        
          2111 [13:54:51] <CrazyTux> yes. That is why I asked.
           
         
        
          2112 [13:55:00] <CrazyTux> can it be installed on Debian?
           
         
        
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          2114 [13:55:07] <Fox> use it at your own risk then :)
           
         
        
          2115 [13:55:14] <wrksx> jim, your last statement confuses me
           
         
        
          2116 [13:55:17] <jelly> CrazyTux: we don't know, Try It And
            See
           
         
        
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          2118 [13:55:27] <CrazyTux> ok  
         
        
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          2120 [13:55:38] <XB23> jolt: when you say what I named it, you
            mean the name of the file in systemd?
           
         
        
          2121 [13:56:18] <jim> wrksx, in fact, you normally don't need
            the source at all, so you don't have to download it even
           
         
        
          2122 [13:56:22] <CrazyTux> It can be installed on Redhat. So, I
            suppose it can be installed on CentOS too.
           
         
        
          2123 [13:56:39] <wrksx> jim, yeah right, prebuilt packages are
            fine for me
           
         
        
          2124 [13:56:51] <jelly> anything that works on linux can be
            installed on debian if you're determined enough to fix all the
            different bits, but that's not a useful answer
           
         
        
          2125 [13:57:04] <wrksx> If one day the need arsise i'll just
            need to uncomment these
           
         
        
          2126 [13:57:07] <jim> one reason to keep a source, is if you want
            to learn to package stuff
           
         
        
          2127 [13:57:20] <wrksx> jim, jolt, thx  
         
        
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          2129 [13:57:43] <jolt> XB23: yes. so lxc-promisc.service or
            whatnot
           
         
        
          2130 [13:57:47] <guest___> in leagacy mode why debian create ESP
            partition ?
           
         
        
          2131 [13:57:52] <jim> you're welcome... and, in the future
            please expand thx as thanks
           
         
        
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          2133 [13:58:25] <vNistelroot> tried it with virtualbox-5.1 with
            apt and same weird behaviour
           
         
        
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          2135 [13:59:12] <jim> so the packaged version doesn't fix the
            problem you're experiencing
           
         
        
          2136 [13:59:14] <jelly> jim: this isn't ##English, lay off
            the language corrections
           
         
        
          2137 [13:59:37] <jim> oh what channel am I on?
           
         
        
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          2139 [13:59:44] <jim> oh shit, sorryu  
         
        
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          2141 [14:00:07] <vNistelroot>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2147 [14:01:48] <XB23> yes it works, how cool is that!
           
         
        
          2148 [14:02:04] <XB23> so systemctl enable service.name - makes it
            run on boot?
           
         
        
          2149 [14:02:19] <guest___> is ESP partition required on legacy ?
           
         
        
          2150 [14:02:29] <jim> no  
         
        
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          2152 [14:03:06] <guest___> jim: then why debian defualt
            partitioning create ESP ?
           
         
        
          2153 [14:03:19] <jim> dunno :)  
         
        
          2154 [14:04:03] <jim> you can always manually partition, either
            all of it or after doing some form of guided
           
         
        
          2155 [14:04:38] <guest___> jim: can you please tell , i am having
            120gb ssd and want to install debian 9
           
         
        
          2156 [14:04:51] <guest___> and dont want swap as i am having 12gb
            ram
           
         
        
          2157 [14:05:05] <guest___> which partition to create manually ?
           
         
        
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          2160 [14:05:26] <jim> just manually partition, and add the
            partitions as you want them
           
         
        
          2161 [14:05:44] <guest___> jim: just / ext4 is enough ?
           
         
        
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          2163 [14:06:41] <jelly> that'd be the minimum yes
           
         
        
          2164 [14:07:07] <jim> well unless you want a separate /home or
            /var or both... but yes, you should be able to install with just a /
            partition
           
         
        
          2165 [14:07:23] <jelly> you could still give it a 1GB swap or so
            just to be safe from any lefotver kernel bugs
           
         
        
          2166 [14:07:55] <guest___> jelly: swap partition is better than
            swap file ?
           
         
        
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          2172 [14:09:20] <jim> a swap file should work fine
           
         
        
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          2174 [14:09:41] <jelly> guest___: a bit, yes
           
         
        
          2175 [14:10:10] <meowtism> guest___: depends on your disk, is it
            an SSD or a mechanical one ?
           
         
        
          2176 [14:10:21] <jelly> they said ssd  
         
        
          2177 [14:10:21] <guest___> ssd  
         
        
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          2179 [14:10:32] <meowtism> oh sorry :) thne what jelly said :)
           
         
        
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          2182 [14:11:37] <jim> well ssds differ in quality too... what kind
            did you get?
           
         
        
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          2184 [14:12:28] <bites> would your recommendation depend on what
            quality ssd they got?
           
         
        
          2185 [14:12:35] <wrksx> Just read this on gitlab-runner online
            install documentation
           
         
        
          2186 [14:12:36] <wrksx> Since Debian Stretch, Debian maintainers
            added their native package with the same name as is used by our
            package, and by default the official repositories will have a higher
            priority.
           
         
        
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          2188 [14:13:04] <wrksx> But I can't find that package with
            the same name
           
         
        
          2189 [14:13:27] <bites> ,v gitlab-runner  
         
        
          2190 [14:13:28] <judd> Package: gitlab-runner on amd64 -- sid:
            10.7.1+dfsg-1
           
         
        
          2191 [14:13:33] <guest___> ADATA SP580 Premier 120GB Internal
            Solid State Drive
           
         
        
          2192 [14:13:34] <bites> only on sid  
         
        
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          2194 [14:13:55] <wrksx> hum  
         
        
          2195 [14:14:05] <bites> the documentation was probably from when
            stretch was still in testing.
           
         
        
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          2197 [14:14:23] <wrksx> right  
         
        
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          2199 [14:14:33] <jim> bites, maybe... see, what they found out in
            the beginning, is that the old original and crappy ssds would fail
            with a particular number of writes
           
         
        
          2200 [14:15:09] <jelly> jim: that was like 10 years ago, and there
            are smart attributes for ssds now.
           
         
        
          2201 [14:15:15] <wrksx> bites, anyway thx for confirming
           
         
        
          2202 [14:16:01] <bites> my pleasure.  
         
        
          2203 [14:16:25] <jelly> they still fail, but torture tests
            (running for years) show they fail lots _after_ the declared TBW
           
         
        
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          2209 [14:20:31] <at0m> after running fstrim on a (recently
            installed) machine lately, i noticed the excessively large trim size
            it reported. then added an "fstrim -av" to a weekly
            crontab. afaik that's ok for SSD's, right.
           
         
        
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          2214 [14:24:16] <jim> ssds have gotten much better since then...
            and, I dunno if I'd subject them to a swap or a log
           
         
        
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          2221 [14:27:53] <babilen> *shudder*  
         
        
          2222 [14:27:59] <jelly> just a swap partition is completely ok, as
            long as you take heed when the system is actuvely swapping all the
            time
           
         
        
          2223 [14:28:11] <cef> at0m: you could probably increase the length
            of time if you're worried.. ie: start monthly or fortnightly
           
         
        
          2224 [14:28:12] <jelly> and you'll notice that.
           
         
        
          2225 [14:28:38] <jim> what would you do if you noticed that?
           
         
        
          2226 [14:28:50] <jelly> but more RAM  
         
        
          2227 [14:28:51] <jelly> buy*  
         
        
          2228 [14:28:57] <jelly> or fix your workload
           
         
        
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          2230 [14:29:43] <at0m> cef: weekly or indeed monthly are fine, but
            no discard option and no fstrim schedule was not
           
         
        
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          2242 [14:37:09] <guest___> all mirror says bad archive mirror
           
         
        
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          2244 [14:37:26] <guest___> while installing debian 9
           
         
        
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          2246 [14:38:05] <greycat> Is your network interface working at
            all? Is it wifi? Do you need non-free firmware for it? Did you
            supply non-free firmware for it?
           
         
        
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          2248 [14:38:37] <guest___> greycat: i am using lan , it was
            working before powercut ,
           
         
        
          2249 [14:38:39] <greycat> Does your Internet connection require
            some sort of authentication?
           
         
        
          2250 [14:38:55] <guest___> i am using same on my desktop too
           
         
        
          2251 [14:39:00] <guest___> not required  
         
        
          2252 [14:39:38] <greycat> Then I guess you'll want to check
            Ctrl-Alt-F3 or Ctrl-Alt-F4 (I don't recall which one) for logs.
            Or go to Ctrl-Alt-F2 for a (limited) terminal where you can run
            commands like dmesg or ip addr.
           
         
        
          2253 [14:40:05] <guest___> thx  
         
        
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          2265 [14:50:13] <guest___> what are standard system utilities
            while installing debian 9 ?
           
         
        
          2266 [14:50:28] <greycat> all packages with priority
            "Standard"
           
         
        
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          2268 [14:51:32] <greycat> Things like host, lsof, ncurses-term,
            ...
           
         
        
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          2272 [14:52:36] <guest___> where i can get complete list ?
           
         
        
          2273 [14:52:47] <bites> aptitude search ~pstandard
           
         
        
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          2275 [14:52:58] <greycat> Install Debian, and then look for
            "Priority: standard" in /var/lib/dpkg/status
           
         
        
          2276 [14:53:09] <guest___> can i install them after installing
            debian ?
           
         
        
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          2278 [14:53:10] <greycat> ... or that other thing
           
         
        
          2279 [14:53:15] <greycat> guest___: yes, you could
           
         
        
          2280 [14:53:30] <petn-randall> guest___: Yes, you can install and
            remove any package, except maybe for essential packages.
           
         
        
          2281 [14:53:39] <petn-randall> guest___: That's the whole
            point of a distro.
           
         
        
          2282 [14:54:03] <greycat> If you skip "standard" during
            the install, you get an absolutely minimal essentials-only
            installation.
           
         
        
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          2284 [14:54:19] <greycat> Just enough to boot, get on the network,
            and apt-get more stuff.
           
         
        
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          2289 [14:57:05] <jelly-home> !standard  
         
        
          2290 [14:57:05] <dpkg> standard task is, like, a "task"
            that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage.
            It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e.
            "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant").
            Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask
            me about <tasksel>.
           
         
        
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          2294 [14:58:27] <jelly-home> ,i task-standard
           
         
        
          2295 [14:58:28] <judd> No package named 'task-standard'
            was found in stretch/amd64.
           
         
        
          2296 [14:58:38] <jelly-home> ah right  
         
        
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          2317 [15:07:55] <JustASlacker> uh  
         
        
          2318 [15:08:08] <JustASlacker> any way to recover my crontab after
            I did crontab -r =
           
         
        
          2319 [15:08:31] <greycat> restore from your most recent backup
           
         
        
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          2321 [15:08:37] <petn-randall> this ^  
         
        
          2322 [15:08:52] <JustASlacker> gnah  
         
        
          2323 [15:08:52] <jolt> lol  
         
        
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          2325 [15:09:37] <petn-randall> JustASlacker: you /have/ backups,
            right?
           
         
        
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          2328 [15:10:07] <jolt> I guess he wouldn't ask the question
            if he had, just sayin'
           
         
        
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          2337 [15:13:20] <JustASlacker> yeah, Im doing the bacula dance
            right now
           
         
        
          2338 [15:13:41] <JustASlacker> I thought maybe -r keeps the old
            one somewhere
           
         
        
          2339 [15:13:47] <JustASlacker> or something
           
         
        
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          2343 [15:15:09] <Kolany> what is this page?
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2347 [15:15:43] <greycat> It's called a "URL
            shortener". It redirects to some other page that has a larger
            URL.
           
         
        
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          2354 [15:18:23] <petn-randall> NSFW?  
         
        
          2355 [15:18:49] <greycat> He got K-lined, for whatever that's
            worth. I didn't open it.
           
         
        
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          2395 [15:36:53] <jelly> one can do
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2399 [15:37:47] <jelly> apparently it's an ip address
            collector / decloaker for dummies
           
         
        
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          2401 [15:39:17] <petn-randall> Oh, that spam. It's always
            just to some "show my ip" site.
           
         
        
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          2404 [15:39:40] <jelly> maybe. But maybe that site does something
            more if you're coming from a specific target
           
         
        
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          2407 [15:40:48] <greycat> At a bare minimum, it's not a
            Debian question.
           
         
        
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          2409 [15:40:59] <jelly> added to ASM.  
         
        
          2410 [15:41:11] <petn-randall> Hmm, altervista does allow creating
            your own websites on a subdomain, indeed. But greycat is right,
            it's offtopic.
           
         
        
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          2470 [16:19:01] <guest___> unable to install grub in dummy , while
            installing debian 9
           
         
        
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          2477 [16:22:05] <babilen> guest___: Why would you have to?
           
         
        
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          2479 [16:23:06] <guest___> babilen: setup was installing it
           
         
        
          2480 [16:23:55] <babilen> Could you elaborate on the exact problem
            you're trying to solve?
           
         
        
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          2485 [16:25:20] <guest___> babilen: i was installing debian 9 , i
            have not created efi partition , and i am not able to install
            bootloader , efi partition is the culprit ?
           
         
        
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          2489 [16:25:52] <babilen> Why did you not create an EFI compatible
            partitioning scheme?
           
         
        
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          2492 [16:26:05] <babilen> (like the one used by "guided
            partitioning)
           
         
        
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          2500 [16:27:38] <guest___> babilen: i am using Legacy mode
           
         
        
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          2503 [16:28:12] <babilen> Why would EFI be a problem then?
           
         
        
          2504 [16:28:34] <guest___> idk  
         
        
          2505 [16:28:37] <babilen> Or rather: Let me rephrase that: Why do
            you have to tinker with this in the first place?
           
         
        
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          2509 [16:29:16] <guest___> babilen: i am learning about linux
           
         
        
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          2511 [16:29:45] <greycat> In Legacy mode, with no other OS on the
            disk, you just install GRUB to the "master boot record"
            (the beginning) of the disk. That's it.
           
         
        
          2512 [16:29:56] <babilen> Sure, but when you install Debian it
            also configures the bootloader in such a way that you can boot your
            newly installed system
           
         
        
          2513 [16:30:02] <greycat> The installer should do this all for
            you, pretty much automatically.
           
         
        
          2514 [16:30:25] <babilen> The question is: Why do you tinker with
            it now? Has there been a problem?
           
         
        
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          2516 [16:30:42] <guest___> greycat: need to create mbr partition?
           
         
        
          2517 [16:30:48] <babilen> No  
         
        
          2518 [16:31:01] <greycat> No. The MBR is not a partition.
            It's the literal start of the disk, just before the first
            partition.
           
         
        
          2519 [16:31:01] <babilen> It's simply the beginning of the
            disk
           
         
        
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          2521 [16:31:24] <guest___> babilen: i was getting the error , i
            didnt changed anything
           
         
        
          2522 [16:31:30] <babilen> Which error?  
         
        
          2523 [16:31:37] <babilen> And when did you get it?
           
         
        
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          2526 [16:32:15] <guest___> after apt config
           
         
        
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          2531 [16:33:14] <babilen> What happened after "apt
            config" ?
           
         
        
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          2535 [16:34:03] <guest___> i wa getting that error
           
         
        
          2536 [16:34:09] <guest___> was  
         
        
          2537 [16:34:10] <greycat> WHAT error  
         
        
          2538 [16:34:20] <guest___> unable to install grub in dummy , while
            installing debian 9
           
         
        
          2539 [16:34:35] <greycat> DO NOT repeat what you said before. Tell
            us the exact error.
           
         
        
          2540 [16:34:55] <guest___> it was the heading
           
         
        
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          2542 [16:35:05] <guest___> and this is a fatal error
           
         
        
          2543 [16:35:12] <greycat> Do it again right now and then tell us
            exactly what it says.
           
         
        
          2544 [16:35:24] <domovoy_> hi  
         
        
          2545 [16:35:28] <guest___> i restarted the installation
           
         
        
          2546 [16:35:39] <greycat> OK, then we'll wait until you get
            there.
           
         
        
          2547 [16:35:40] <domovoy_> using git-buildpackage, i "gbp
            import-dsc --pristine-tar foo_version.dsc". Foo has fields:
            'Format: 1.0', 'Source: foo', 'Version:
            20180101+deb9u2'. I don't get any 'pristine-tar'
            branch, i guess because format is '1.0'. How do i switch
            to a '3.0 (quilt)' format? (with a pristine-tar branch)
            What should be the version for my 'quilted' version?
            (2018010+deb9u2-1, 20180101-1, 20180101-1+deb9u2, something else?)
           
         
        
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          2550 [16:35:56] <babilen> Okay.. and you used "guided
            partitioning" which you changed to not use a swap partition?
           
         
        
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          2553 [16:36:08] <guest___> i figured it out , even after selecting
            leagacy mode , installer is started in ufei mode
           
         
        
          2554 [16:36:22] <babilen> domovoy_: I'd recommend to take
            this question to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
           
         
        
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          2556 [16:36:51] <domovoy_> babilen> ok, i'll try that
           
         
        
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          2559 [16:37:20] <babilen> guest___: It depends on your system - If
            it boots in UEFI mode, the installer is started in that mode. Either
            way "guided partitioning" should create the partitions
            necessary for the bootloader
           
         
        
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          2568 [16:39:54] <guest___> i have selected leagacy mode but still
            installer boots in uefi mode
           
         
        
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          2571 [16:40:19] <greycat> What do you mean by "I have
            selected legacy mode"? Where? How?
           
         
        
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          2573 [16:40:51] <greycat> If you want the installer to boot in
            Legacy mode, usually you have to go into the firmware/BIOS and tell
            it to do this.
           
         
        
          2574 [16:40:54] <babilen> Besides: What's the problem with
            UEFI? The installer and grub should work in both
           
         
        
          2575 [16:41:20] <greycat> Also that. If the installer boots in
            UEFI mode and if you aren't constrained by another OS on the
            disk, just let it do a UEFI install.
           
         
        
          2576 [16:41:21] <guest___> greycat: in bios , i have selected
            leagacy
           
         
        
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          2582 [16:43:32] <petn-randall> guest___: Do you already have
            another OS on the system you want to keep?
           
         
        
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          2584 [16:44:22] <guest___> petn-randall: no
           
         
        
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          2587 [16:45:04] <petn-randall> guest___: Then I'd recommend
            installing in UEFI mode. If you set legacy and it still boots with
            UEFI mode, you didn't set it right. Consult the documentation
            of your laptop/mainboard on how to do that.
           
         
        
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          2689 [17:41:35] <donofrio> With Power5 (big endin - I believe)
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2695 [17:45:46] <somiaj> donofrio: are you trying to install
            ubuntu? This channel is for #debian support.
           
         
        
          2696 [17:46:29] <donofrio> I have ubuntu 16.04 but it's dead
            end....used that link to show what hardware I have on this G5 tower
            was all...looking for debian goodness
           
         
        
          2697 [17:46:50] <somiaj> debian has dropped support for powerppc,
            and it is no longer an offical port in debian either.
           
         
        
          2698 [17:47:44] <somiaj> the only offical power ppc port is the
            ppc64el, but I'm unsure on the details of this port.
           
         
        
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          2702 [17:49:01] <somiaj> you might find some better answers in
            #debianppc on irc.oftc.net
           
         
        
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          2704 [17:49:36] <donofrio> ok I'll try
           
         
        
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          2706 [17:50:20] <somiaj> here is the ppc64el release notes,
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2708 [17:51:38] <donofrio> somiaj, joining that channel now -
            I'll take unofficial ports too.... ;)
           
         
        
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          2722 [18:01:56] <MrK> Hi, I'm currently using Debian Wheezy
            for my Redmine server and I know that it uses mysql 5.5 for its
            database. I read that upgrading to Debian Stretch would replace any
            mysql package with MariaDB. Would that have any impact to my system?
            Thanks
           
         
        
          2723 [18:02:11] <MrK> Here's the link I read:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2725 [18:03:14] <donofrio> somiaj, so is my g5 tower a ppc64el or?
            were you able to read my tinyurl link?
           
         
        
          2726 [18:03:16] <petn-randall> MrK: Likely not, it's mean to
            be a drop-in replacement that's developed by the people that
            created mysql.
           
         
        
          2727 [18:03:34] <petn-randall> MrK: However it's sensible to
            make backups, and test it before putting it to production.
           
         
        
          2728 [18:03:48] <greycat> It should be roughly the same as
            upgrading to MySQL version 10 would be.
           
         
        
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          2731 [18:04:19] <greycat> Or... huh, I guess the version numbers
            are not the same.
           
         
        
          2732 [18:04:20] <somiaj> donofrio: I don't know enough about
            ppc hardware to say, why I pointed you to #debianppc on
            irc.oftc.net, as you may find people familar with that hardware
            there
           
         
        
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          2734 [18:04:44] <petn-randall> greycat: Right. Have you already
            forgotten that a bigger version number means better?
           
         
        
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          2738 [18:05:36] <karlpinc> MrK: The thing to do if you have any
            questions is to read the
            /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian.gz file. It will
            say if there are any issues related to Debian, upgrading, etc.
           
         
        
          2739 [18:05:37] <somiaj> donofrio: your paste seems to say you
            were running a 64 bit kernel, so if I would to guess, I would side
            on likely.
           
         
        
          2740 [18:06:27] <petn-randall> greycat: That's why Chrome is
            at version 66, which is better than the Linux kernel which
            hasn't even reached 5 yet.
           
         
        
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          2744 [18:07:04] <somiaj> what about 1:2 and 66? (:
           
         
        
          2745 [18:07:07] <jhutchins_wk> MariaDB is definitely a fork of
            MySQL and may not be 100% compatible, they are adding features.
           
         
        
          2746 [18:07:18] <jhutchins_wk> Percona is committed to being 100%
            compatible.
           
         
        
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          2754 [18:12:43] <karlpinc> jhutchins_wk: Yes, but at least the
            wheezy upgrade is 100% backwards compatible. Or so I recall.
           
         
        
          2755 [18:12:46] <jelly> percona is also not in debian (but they
            have nice packages of their own)
           
         
        
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          2758 [18:13:07] <greycat> karlpinc: you mean stretch?
           
         
        
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          2761 [18:13:33] <jelly> the wrost thing is their product is called
            percona-server, so the server deb package is named
            percona-server-server
           
         
        
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          2764 [18:13:43] <karlpinc> greycat: Which ever Debian release
            switched the default from MySQL to MariaDB. (Sorry if I got that
            wrong.)
           
         
        
          2765 [18:13:52] <jelly> karlpinc: stretch  
         
        
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          2768 [18:14:08] <karlpinc> I remember thinking "Better do it
            now, in case later it's not compatible."
           
         
        
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          2773 [18:15:58] <monalisa> Hi... How often are mailing lists
            updated on the web? I look if my query is published or is being
            rejected for some reason. I have fixed my email to plain text and 80
            columns, but the latest web update shows the 11GMT.
           
         
        
          2774 [18:16:24] <greycat> Depends on which list archive it is, I
            suppose.
           
         
        
          2775 [18:16:31] <monalisa> debian-user  
         
        
          2776 [18:16:37] <greycat> But which one?  
         
        
          2777 [18:17:06] <monalisa> debian-user@lists.debian.org??
           
         
        
          2778 [18:17:14] <jelly> isn't it every 20 minutes or so
           
         
        
          2779 [18:17:17] <greycat>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2780 [18:17:20] <jelly> or is that bts  
         
        
          2781 [18:17:34] <greycat> monalisa: Not which mailing list. Which
            ARCHIVE of the mailing list.
           
         
        
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          2783 [18:17:47] <greycat> The one at
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2785 [18:18:44] * jelly pours one out for gmane.org
           
         
        
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          2796 [18:26:15] <monalisa> greycat: Surprisingly it is the first
            time I send a query to a mailing list. What do you mean by archive?
           
         
        
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          2798 [18:26:56] <greycat> There are web pages that show you the
            messages that have been sent ao a mailing list over the years. This
            is an archive.
           
         
        
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          2800 [18:27:31] <greycat> One of the archives of the debian-user
            mailing list is at
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2801 [18:28:02] <greycat> It literally has the word
            "Archives" on the page.
           
         
        
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          2806 [18:29:11] <greycat> You can think of it like a log file for
            the mailing list. "This is what happened in April 2015."
           
         
        
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          2810 [18:30:54] <monalisa> Ok Greycat, I'm looking at
            debian-user list for today... the update date has changed and my
            message just appeared, probably my first message was rejected then.
           
         
        
          2811 [18:31:06] <monalisa> Thanks greycat, jelly. :)
           
         
        
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          2819 [18:37:12] <jhutchins_wk> Searching the archives can often
            yeild solutions to known problems.
           
         
        
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          2825 [18:39:43] <linuxconformer> is it possible to keep track of
            all the processes a command makes?
           
         
        
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          2923 [19:34:43] <blasen> hello. i have copied linux partition from
            usb onto a harddrive. i have marked that partition as
            'active'. trying to boot from that disk, it failed,
            obviously unable to find the proper bootsequence. now it's not
            the 'first' partition on that disk, could it be the reason
            it fails? or what else would i need to care about in order to make
            it work?
           
         
        
          2924 [19:36:01] <greycat> When you boot from a disk in Legacy
            mode, the system firmware/BIOS reads the code in the Master Boot
            Record, at the start of the raw disk, before and outside of any
            partitions.
           
         
        
          2925 [19:36:19] <greycat> If all you did was copy a Linux file
            system into a partition, then you also need to install the boot
            loader onto the disk.
           
         
        
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          2933 [19:40:13] <blasen> i used a tool to copy the whole
            partition. so you say it has to be at the start of the disk? i
            thought marking some partition as "active" would make the
            bios look at this partition for the MBR .. or whatever it would be.
            guess i'll try to move it then
           
         
        
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          2935 [19:40:56] <greycat> *sigh*  
         
        
          2936 [19:40:57] <greycat> NO.  
         
        
          2937 [19:41:01] <greycat> The PARTITION is fine.
           
         
        
          2938 [19:41:08] <greycat> The MBR is a SEPARATE THING.
           
         
        
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          2940 [19:41:28] <blasen> oh ok.. so how do i make it work?
           
         
        
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          2942 [19:41:46] <greycat> "man grub-install" is the only
            starting point that I know.
           
         
        
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          2944 [19:42:43] <blasen> is the MBR completely independent of the
            partitions?
           
         
        
          2945 [19:42:52] <greycat> Yes. In Legacy mode.
           
         
        
          2946 [19:43:04] <greycat> If this is a UEFI boot setup then
            it's completely different.
           
         
        
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          2949 [19:44:42] <blasen> so with grub i can eventually make it
            work, without making changes to the partitions or writing to them at
            all. correct?
           
         
        
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          2953 [19:46:28] <greycat> Most likely you will need to boot from
            whatever actually works (your install CD or install USB device, for
            example), mount the new file system that you just made, chroot into
            that, and then run some sort of grub-install command.
           
         
        
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          2963 [19:50:31] <blasen> the reason i ask is, if that's true,
            then i keep the first partition on that disk (its not even linux) ..
            when i can't keep the first parition there, i need to overthink
            it.. thanks for help//
           
         
        
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          2965 [19:51:13] <greycat> If the disk has an "EFI
            partition" then you are probably dealing with a UEFI boot and
            then what I said no longer applies.
           
         
        
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          2968 [19:51:35] <blasen> ah ok.. no it has none. thanks for that
            hint.
           
         
        
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          2970 [19:52:16] <blasen> yeah that uefi shizzle adds an additional
            layer of confusion, haven't had time to check out how it works.
           
         
        
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          2977 [19:55:12] <blasen> could i have several partitions with
            multiple OS installed with that UEFI setup? like having a bootmenu
            to chose which to boot from? or would that be too easy? :>
           
         
        
          2978 [19:55:22] <blasen> *sigh  
         
        
          2979 [19:55:30] <greycat> I am definitely not an expert on UEFI.
           
         
        
          2980 [19:55:40] <blasen> alright. thanks a lot.
           
         
        
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          3018 [20:23:32] <jhutchins_wk> blackes__: Yes, grub can manage
            booting to multiple OSs on multiple partitions.
           
         
        
          3019 [20:23:37] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub  
         
        
          3020 [20:23:37] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
            Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
            mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
            mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
            mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
            run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
            && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
            mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
           
         
        
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          3023 [20:23:58] <jhutchins_wk> blackes__: That ^ is the process to
            (re)install grub to the MBR.
           
         
        
          3024 [20:24:02] <guest___> after installing Debian , wifi not
            working
           
         
        
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          3026 [20:24:57] <greycat> install the non-free firmware if your
            device needs that (most do)
           
         
        
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          3028 [20:25:34] <guest___> greycat: how ?  
         
        
          3029 [20:27:11] <greycat> Do you have ethernet to the system?
           
         
        
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          3032 [20:27:31] <guest___> greycat: yes  
         
        
          3033 [20:27:37] <greycat> Then probably with apt.
           
         
        
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          3037 [20:28:58] <guest___> greycat: can you please explain
           
         
        
          3038 [20:29:24] <guest___> greycat: follow it
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3039 [20:29:36] <greycat> Identify which firmware package you must
            install. Add contrib and non-free to your sources.list if it's
            not already there. apt-get update; apt-get install firmware-whatever
           
         
        
          3040 [20:29:42] <jhutchins_wk> blackes__: Oops.
           
         
        
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          3042 [20:30:16] <guest___> greycat: i think on ubuntu was
            installing something like wdcl
           
         
        
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          3045 [20:31:11] <jhutchins_wk> guest___: You can find out what the
            system's looking for with dmesg | less - serarching for
            "wifi" or "firmware" might help.
           
         
        
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          3047 [20:31:34] <jhutchins_wk> You can use lspci -nn to determine
            what chipset you have and we can look up what driver and firmware it
            needs.
           
         
        
          3048 [20:31:44] <greycat> I usually start with "dmesg | grep
            -i firmware"
           
         
        
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          3050 [20:32:05] <jhutchins_wk> That often points right to the
            solution.
           
         
        
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          3056 [20:33:44] <guest___> dmesa log
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3065 [20:34:52] <guest___> Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n
            [14e4:4365] (rev 01)
           
         
        
          3066 [20:35:21] <greycat> ,pciid 14e4:4365
           
         
        
          3067 [20:35:22] <judd> [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142
            802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Limited' with kernel
            modules 'bcma', 'brcmfmac' in stretch. See also
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3068 [20:35:38] <greycat> Bleh. judd needs to say what firmware
            too.
           
         
        
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          3070 [20:36:39] <somiaj> the bcm cards can be annoying for the
            firmware, since I belive the license prevents debian from
            distributing it.
           
         
        
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          3072 [20:36:42] <guest___> how to install it ?
           
         
        
          3073 [20:36:58] <somiaj> usually a wired card is best, and
            download the assoicated script from contrib to download the firmware
            from broadcom
           
         
        
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          3077 [20:37:43] <guest___> i am able to use internel on laptop
           
         
        
          3078 [20:37:47] <guest___> internet  
         
        
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          3081 [20:38:51] <somiaj> guest___: one option, use the third party
            module wl produced by broadcom,
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3082 [20:39:32] <somiaj> if using the brcmsmac module, there is a
            firmware package firmware-brcm80211
           
         
        
          3083 [20:39:33] <greycat> The wiki page says to use
            broadcom-sta-dkms for your PCI ID.
           
         
        
          3084 [20:39:34] <jhutchins_wk> ! bcm43142  
         
        
          3085 [20:39:35] <dpkg> The Broadcom BCM43142 is a hybrid 802.11n
            and Bluetooth 4.0 device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID
            14e4:4365, incorrectly identified as BCM4365 by Broadcom's
            proprietary driver) is currently only supported by Broadcom's
            proprietary driver since version 6.30.223.126 (packaged for Debian 8
            "Jessie" as broadcom-sta-dkms).
           
         
        
          3086 [20:39:43] <somiaj>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3091 [20:41:02] <somiaj> actually the wiki says your specific card
            isn't supported, sounds like you have to use the wl driver
           
         
        
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          3093 [20:41:35] <greycat> It's listed under "This driver
            is packaged for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release as
            broadcom-sta-dkms."
           
         
        
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          3095 [20:42:06] <tobiasBora> Hello,  
         
        
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          3098 [20:42:32] <somiaj> I just always find broadcom chipsets a
            mess, so many different drivers and methods to get them....but yea
            follow the instructions for the wl driver
           
         
        
          3099 [20:42:42] <guest___> followed all inst . written in
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3101 [20:42:53] <greycat> Don't follow ALL the instructions!!
           
         
        
          3102 [20:42:54] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know, how could I
            remove the 1.1G of locales in /usr/share/locale that I don't
            use? I tried localpurge and localegen-purge, but nothing is
            removed...
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3103 [20:43:00] <greycat> Follow the ones FOR YOUR DEVICE ONLY.
           
         
        
          3104 [20:43:19] <guest___> thanks  
         
        
          3105 [20:43:25] <somiaj> tobiasBora: dpkg-reconfigure locales
           
         
        
          3106 [20:43:37] <jhutchins_wk> tobiasBora: I would expect that
            would work on Ubuntu, not on Debian.
           
         
        
          3107 [20:43:44] <somiaj> tobiasBora: that should give you a menu
            to select only the ones you want.
           
         
        
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          3112 [20:45:31] <tobiasBora> somiaj: I tried this, but the
            /usr/share/locale folder is still 1.1G big
           
         
        
          3113 [20:45:50] <greycat> I would NOT expect
            "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to remove data from /usr/share.
           
         
        
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          3115 [20:46:10] <somiaj> yea, I thought you meant generated
            locales, I don't think you want to get rid of those, they are
            the locale data provided by the software you have installed.
           
         
        
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          3123 [20:48:53] <guest___> still something wrong with my dmesa log
            ?
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3126 [20:50:06] <somiaj> tobiasBora: I did find this, seems you
            can have dpkg not install locales you don't want,
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3128 [20:50:13] <tobiasBora> somiaj: greycat : well I really
            don't mind to have russian, japanese or whatever, and my small
            SSD lacks space...
           
         
        
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          3133 [20:50:44] <guest___> greycat: is my intel gfx installed
            correctly ?
           
         
        
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          3136 [20:50:53] <somiaj> tobiasBora: my /usr/share/local is only
            300megs here, but I think it is related to the amount of debian
            packages you have installed and how much locale data comes with
            them.
           
         
        
          3137 [20:51:24] <tobiasBora> somiaj: mine is 1G, which is already
            1/20th of my drive ^^
           
         
        
          3138 [20:51:25] <greycat> mine's only 196M
           
         
        
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          3140 [20:51:37] <somiaj> its going to be related to the software
            you have installed
           
         
        
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          3143 [20:51:46] <greycat> I suspect you installed a bunch of
            crap^W^W^W desktop environment.
           
         
        
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          3145 [20:52:00] <jhutchins_wk> guest___: That paste says exactly
            what package is needed for the graphics.
           
         
        
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          3147 [20:52:27] <tobiasBora> greycat: I have only KDE installed
           
         
        
          3148 [20:52:34] <greycat> voila  
         
        
          3149 [20:52:37] <tobiasBora> ahah  
         
        
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          3152 [20:53:01] <jhutchins_wk> 394M here with xfce
           
         
        
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          3154 [20:53:17] <guest___> jhutchins_wk: how to install them ?
           
         
        
          3155 [20:53:24] <somiaj> tobiasBora:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3156 [20:53:25] <judd> Bug
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3158 [20:54:07] <jhutchins> 328M on this one, where I do music,
            graphics, video editing, etc.
           
         
        
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          3160 [20:54:17] <tobiasBora> somiaj: I think that when I ran the
            first thing, I actually chosed to use path-include, and in your link
            they say "wait the the packages are upgraded to free
            space". And hopefully I need to do a huge upgrade today ! :D
           
         
        
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          3163 [20:54:40] <greycat> tobiasBora: does a --reinstall also
            work, possibly?
           
         
        
          3164 [20:54:41] <somiaj> tobiasBora: well stretch packages
            don't upgrade that often, you may have to manually --reinstall
            them
           
         
        
          3165 [20:55:14] <tobiasBora> greycat: no idea, it may be a good
            idea
           
         
        
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          3167 [20:55:32] <tobiasBora> somiaj: no worry, I'm on sid and
            I have something like 2000 upgrades to do
           
         
        
          3168 [20:55:34] <greycat> should be fairly simple to test with one
            package, and compare du output before & after
           
         
        
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          3171 [20:55:56] <somiaj> tobiasBora: in the future you should
            bring sid questions to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
           
         
        
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          3174 [20:56:29] <tobiasBora> (actually it's 2580)
           
         
        
          3175 [20:56:44] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dpkg -l | wc -l
           
         
        
          3176 [20:56:44] <greycat> 1254  
         
        
          3177 [20:56:47] <somiaj> that is why you have so many locales
            installed, you have tons of packages...
           
         
        
          3178 [20:56:53] <tobiasBora> somiaj: well most of the time my
            questions are general enough to fit in both channels...
           
         
        
          3179 [20:57:23] <somiaj> tobiasBora: still most here expect debian
            stable, and this channel is mostly stable support.
           
         
        
          3180 [20:57:28] <tobiasBora> and also with latex my doc folder is
            huge (4.7Go)
           
         
        
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          3194 [21:02:47] <jhutchins_wk> tobiasBora: Moral: If you want lots
            of software, invest in a bigger disk.
           
         
        
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          3196 [21:04:17] <jhutchins_wk> tobiasBora: 128 GB $54.95 on
            pricewatch.
           
         
        
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          3202 [21:06:04] <tobiasBora> jhutchins_wk: well I have a 1T disk +
            a 20G SSD... I guess I can't put anything bigger on my laptop
            ;)
           
         
        
          3203 [21:06:22] <tobiasBora> (I'm really wondering why I use
            so much space...)
           
         
        
          3204 [21:06:29] <greycat> So mount /usr/share from the spinning
            disk...?
           
         
        
          3205 [21:06:43] <greycat> Or just all of /usr maybe.
           
         
        
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          3208 [21:07:53] <somiaj> tobiasBora: 20Gigs is pushing the limit
            if you want a full DE + stuff like latex, and other large software.
           
         
        
          3209 [21:08:04] <tobiasBora> greycat: I have already /var on the
            disk
           
         
        
          3210 [21:08:07] <Tegu> that would put stuff like /usr/bin to the
            spinning disk as wel, which could be undesirable
           
         
        
          3211 [21:08:24] <tobiasBora> greycat: but /usr is not strange? For
            me all programs are on /usr
           
         
        
          3212 [21:08:38] <greycat> Do whatever makes the most sense.
           
         
        
          3213 [21:08:46] <somiaj> anyways, that localepurge setting should
            help, but I think over all the space you save from this isn't
            going to be that significant with the total space you want to use.
           
         
        
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          3215 [21:09:01] <greycat> I have no idea how often the stuff in
            /usr/share is read by whatever programs you run.
           
         
        
          3216 [21:09:20] <tobiasBora> somiaj: Well I created a LVM
            partition for / that is both on the SSD and the hard drive, and I
            installed latex quite late, so I guess that latex is on the spinning
            hard drive ^^'
           
         
        
          3217 [21:09:28] <jhutchins_wk> This VM with xfce is on an 8G
            virtual disk.
           
         
        
          3218 [21:09:53] <tobiasBora> greycat: ok thanks
           
         
        
          3219 [21:10:01] <greycat> you have a logical volume that spans
            BOTH devices? that's insane.
           
         
        
          3220 [21:10:40] <tobiasBora> greycat: yes, what's bad?
            ^^' At some point I couldn't put anything more on the SSD
            so I had no choice
           
         
        
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          3222 [21:10:58] <tobiasBora> (ok maybe I should have manually cut
            again /usr/something
           
         
        
          3223 [21:11:01] <tobiasBora> )  
         
        
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          3225 [21:11:05] <greycat> The obvious choice would be to have the
            separate device as a separate volume group, with its own separate
            logical volumes.
           
         
        
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          3228 [21:11:48] <tobiasBora> greycat: and then I would have tens
            of small mounts?
           
         
        
          3229 [21:12:05] <somiaj> tobiasBora: in this case you have a mix
            of stuff being on the ssd and the spinning drive, which negats a lot
            of the affect of the ssd. This almost sounds like one of those
            strange laptops that have a spinning drive with a small ssd for the
            most used software, and needs some windows utility to nice utilize
            both.
           
         
        
          3230 [21:12:06] <greycat> Maybe. I don't know what
            you're doing.
           
         
        
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          3233 [21:13:46] <tobiasBora> somiaj: at the begining it was not
            supposed to be like that, but 20G is small, and I've no idea
            how to distribute well programs between two drives... Any idea if a
            linux projet is suppose to let me do that?
           
         
        
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          3235 [21:14:14] <greycat> Linux lets you do whatever you want.
            It's your computer.
           
         
        
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          3237 [21:14:36] <jhutchins> somiaj: I believe the hybrid drives do
            all the management in hardware now.
           
         
        
          3238 [21:14:40] <somiaj> I don't think there is much linux
            support for those drives to ensure the stuff you want is on the the
            ssd and stuff you don't is on the spinning drive without a
            bunch fo manual confguation.
           
         
        
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          3241 [21:15:35] <somiaj> jhutchins: ahh. I'm unsure on such
            hardware, as the one laptop I had that had something similar, debian
            just didn't like running only on the SSD (even though it was
            more than enoughs pace for what I needed)
           
         
        
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          3243 [21:15:45] <somiaj> so I just got rid of the ssd part and
            only used the spinning drive
           
         
        
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          3246 [21:16:22] <tobiasBora> greycat: well I'm not even sure
            how to share the same folder between two partitions...
           
         
        
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          3248 [21:16:46] <greycat> tobiasBora: It's really easy:
            DON'T!
           
         
        
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          3250 [21:17:30] <tobiasBora> greycat: so do you have a method to
            say for example "let's put firefox and emacs on the SSD,
            and libreoffice on the hard drive"?
           
         
        
          3251 [21:18:09] <greycat> tobiasBora: No. I wouldn't do that.
            That would be insane.
           
         
        
          3252 [21:18:31] <jhutchins> !fhs  
         
        
          3253 [21:18:31] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy
            Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application.
            This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a
            read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3254 [21:18:39] <greycat> I mean, well, unless you're not
            using Debian packages for those things.
           
         
        
          3255 [21:18:50] <greycat> If you're using third-party
            distributions in /opt then you can do it.
           
         
        
          3256 [21:19:13] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: So why not just upgrade
            the ssd?
           
         
        
          3257 [21:19:57] <OS-3859> !gamma  
         
        
          3258 [21:19:57] <dpkg> rumour has it, gamma is the third letter of
            the greek alphabet or a high energy/low wavelength (since
            they're the same thing, ask me about Planck's law) photon
           
         
        
          3259 [21:20:08] <tobiasBora> jhutchins: well SSD are expensive
           
         
        
          3260 [21:20:30] <tobiasBora> and I'm not sure if I can choose
            any SSD since it needs to fit in my laptop
           
         
        
          3261 [21:20:40] <OS-3859> !bob2  
         
        
          3262 [21:20:40] <dpkg> somebody said bob2 was a donkey abuser!, or
            not your mother, or
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3264 [21:20:48] <somiaj> OS-3859: stop spamming the bot. /msg the
            bot
           
         
        
          3265 [21:20:50] <tobiasBora> and if I want to change something my
            first goal would be my battery
           
         
        
          3266 [21:21:12] <jhutchins> tobiasBora: 128 GB $54.95 on
            pricewatch. Id you click through it's actually $34.95.
           
         
        
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          3268 [21:21:53] <tobiasBora> jhutchins: the size is universal?
           
         
        
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          3270 [21:22:07] <greycat> There are different interfaces, though.
           
         
        
          3271 [21:22:14] <greycat> !ssd  
         
        
          3272 [21:22:15] <dpkg> Solid-State Drives are basically
            nonvolatile RAM chips used for long term storage. There are at least
            3 types: SATA (no problem), NVMe (no problem since Linux 3.3), and
            eMMC (not yet supported). See also <ssd limit>
           
         
        
          3273 [21:22:24] <somiaj> not really, some laptops use just a chip,
            as opposed to a standard 3.5 form factor.
           
         
        
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          3275 [21:22:43] <somiaj> my laptop I got a custom chip I had to
            plugin
           
         
        
          3276 [21:22:51] <jhutchins> Some also use a card, but all of the
            formats should track a similar price.
           
         
        
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          3279 [21:23:11] <somiaj> (that is if the laptops ssd is different
            thant he spinning drive, you could choose to replace the whole
            spinning drive, but then that could get expensve for 1TB
           
         
        
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          3281 [21:24:00] <tobiasBora> somiaj: well I already have a 1TB
            hardrive
           
         
        
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          3284 [21:24:31] <somiaj> yea, I'm just saying that your ssd
            is most likely a small chip and not a full drive formfactor
           
         
        
          3285 [21:24:47] <jhutchins> looks like 1TB is at $260.
           
         
        
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          3289 [21:25:27] <OS-38594> man i thought this was #offsec
           
         
        
          3290 [21:25:27] <OS-38594> sorry  
         
        
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          3295 [21:28:45] <jhutchins> somiaj: Was yours an actual chip or a
            narrow card?
           
         
        
          3296 [21:29:25] <somiaj> jhutchins: it was a chip on some form
            board, but it was quite small, maybe like 4in by 2in
           
         
        
          3297 [21:29:32] <jhutchins> Looks like those are PCIe.
           
         
        
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          3299 [21:29:57] <somiaj> maybe those cards have some standard, and
            this was back with the jessie kernel, so maybe my issues was due to
            the bots factoid about not all ssds being fully compadable
           
         
        
          3300 [21:30:02] <jhutchins> Same price range as the 2.5"
           
         
        
          3301 [21:30:06] <rant> the SSD in here is pcie
           
         
        
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          3303 [21:30:20] <somiaj> I was able to install on it, but there
            was something about running the actual os that just didn't
            work.
           
         
        
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          3315 [21:37:13] <gordonthegopher> I'm on Sparky Linux Rolling
            and trying to use snapd
           
         
        
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          3318 [21:37:25] <greycat> so why are you here?
           
         
        
          3319 [21:37:30] <gordonthegopher> Nice start
           
         
        
          3320 [21:37:31] <gordonthegopher> Bellend  
         
        
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          3322 [21:37:48] <greycat> !sparky  
         
        
          3323 [21:37:48] <dpkg> SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based
            on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next.
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3324 [21:37:58] <gordonthegopher> Wow, what a welcoming IRC
           
         
        
          3325 [21:38:07] <greycat> We welcome Debian users.
           
         
        
          3326 [21:38:14] <gordonthegopher> All inspired by cbmuser I expect
           
         
        
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          3349 [21:53:24] <roylaprattep> How can I configure postfix to
            RECEIVE on port 465, not receiving... Thanks.
           
         
        
          3350 [21:53:48] <roylaprattep> not sending* haha sorry
           
         
        
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          3359 [21:57:02] <greycat> I'm afraid to ask, but ... receive
            what?
           
         
        
          3360 [21:57:14] <roylaprattep> Email?  
         
        
          3361 [21:57:19] <greycat> Can't be SMTP deliveries to your
            domain, because those only go on port 25. There's no mechanism
            to specify an alternative port.
           
         
        
          3362 [21:57:28] <greycat> And submission is port 587.
           
         
        
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          3365 [21:58:17] <roylaprattep> So it's impossible to receive
            on port 465?
           
         
        
          3366 [21:58:23] <roylaprattep> or 587...  
         
        
          3367 [21:58:45] <greycat> Make up your mind. Are you talking about
            mail submission from your authenticated Windows users, or deliveries
            from the whole world TO your users?
           
         
        
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          3369 [21:59:01] <roylaprattep> the whole world sorry
           
         
        
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          3371 [21:59:08] <greycat> Then that's port 25, period.
           
         
        
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          3374 [21:59:30] <roylaprattep> Ok. my sysadmin keep saying me
            "no! its possible!"
           
         
        
          3375 [21:59:35] <roylaprattep> keep saying him, no.
           
         
        
          3376 [21:59:55] <greycat> Other sites would have no way to know
            they should talk to you on port nnn instead of port 25. DNS only
            permits specifying the MX host, not a port.
           
         
        
          3377 [22:00:01] <somiaj> well couldn't you have a router
            forward port 25 to port whatever....
           
         
        
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          3379 [22:00:35] <somiaj> why do you want to recieve on a
            unstandard port, this sounds like an XY problem.
           
         
        
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          3381 [22:01:07] <roylaprattep> cause my ISP blocking port 25.
           
         
        
          3382 [22:01:29] <greycat> Then you'll have to host your
            incoming MTA elsewhere, or get the ISP to lift that block.
           
         
        
          3383 [22:01:59] <somiaj> roylaprattep: and this is really
            recieving, you did correct with sending. Are you wanting to send
            mail from your local machine?
           
         
        
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          3385 [22:02:16] <roylaprattep> Nah, they block it only on
            residential services.
           
         
        
          3386 [22:02:23] <roylaprattep> business solution they dont block
            it.
           
         
        
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          3388 [22:02:31] <greycat> So they want you to pay them more money.
           
         
        
          3389 [22:02:33] <roylaprattep> me and my friend were just arguing
            on it..
           
         
        
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          3392 [22:03:00] <somiaj> but you won't be able to fix the
            recieving problem without using a different mail server outside this
            network. Often your ISP will let you use their mail server, you can
            setup fetchmail to pull the mail from the server and postfix to
            relay off their server to send.
           
         
        
          3393 [22:03:09] <roylaprattep> i told him i was on business
            solution cause of port 25 blocked and no fixed ip address
           
         
        
          3394 [22:03:26] <roylaprattep> he told me "what, you can
            receive on port 465 or 587 anyway..."i told him, not sure
            man...
           
         
        
          3395 [22:03:34] <roylaprattep> than it dont stop arguing me.
           
         
        
          3396 [22:03:37] <roylaprattep> i know im right.
           
         
        
          3397 [22:03:51] <greycat> He is probably thinking that you're
            talking about "receiving" submitted outgoing emails from
            your users.
           
         
        
          3398 [22:03:52] <roylaprattep> my email server is setted up since
            7-8 years like it is, using port 25.
           
         
        
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          3400 [22:05:00] <roylaprattep> no no, i told him it was my main
            mail server that im using to receive every mail i need
           
         
        
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          3402 [22:05:09] <roylaprattep> keep argiung me tho haha
           
         
        
          3403 [22:05:15] <greycat> Just because you told him something
            doesn't mean he understood you.
           
         
        
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          3405 [22:05:23] <roylaprattep> yes he did.
           
         
        
          3406 [22:05:29] <roylaprattep> i made myself pretty clear.
           
         
        
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          3408 [22:06:03] <greycat> You've never been married, have
            you....
           
         
        
          3409 [22:06:15] <roylaprattep> HAHAHA.  
         
        
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          3411 [22:07:25] <roylaprattep> i told him, CLEARLY, we can't
            receive mail from outter space/world on 465 or 587 port
           
         
        
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          3413 [22:07:57] <Guest84913> can someone guide me towards the
            creation of a script? Or function. I want a command to be run on
            every file in a folder. So I do like ``command-alias
            /the/awesome/folder`` and the command will loop trough the files
           
         
        
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          3417 [22:08:30] <greycat> Guest84913: mycmd() { local f; for f in
            "$1"/*; do ... "$f" ...; done; }
           
         
        
          3418 [22:09:02] <greycat> or maybe for safety, change
            "$1"/* to "${1:-.}/*"
           
         
        
          3419 [22:09:13] <greycat> or add an explicit error check for
            missing argument
           
         
        
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          3427 [22:12:19] <greycat> ... oops, screwed up the second line.
            Meant to say, change "$1"/* to "${1:-.}"/* (the
            * has to be unquoted)
           
         
        
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          3432 [22:12:59] <Aebian> ok, thanks greycat
           
         
        
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          3436 [22:14:00] <greycat> error checking is probably the way
            you'd want to go anyway
           
         
        
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          3439 [22:16:14] <roylaprattep> greycat: So, if we think of that,
            all mails are sent clear oevr the Internet.
           
         
        
          3440 [22:16:22] <roylaprattep> over*  
         
        
          3441 [22:16:36] <greycat> That's a different issue. They can
            either be cleartext or TLS-encrypted, on port 25.
           
         
        
          3442 [22:16:46] <greycat> Depending on what the sending and
            receiving MTAs support.
           
         
        
          3443 [22:16:56] <roylaprattep> I am using postfix
           
         
        
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          3445 [22:17:19] <greycat> If the sender is using tin cans and a
            string, then they will probably send to you in cleartext, no matter
            how fancy your end is.
           
         
        
          3446 [22:17:30] <roylaprattep> Yeah.  
         
        
          3447 [22:17:33] <greycat> TLS is optional and requires both sides
            to opt in.
           
         
        
          3448 [22:17:37] <roylaprattep> Thanks man.
           
         
        
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          3452 [22:20:36] <greycat> I find it helpful to simply assume that
            all email transmissions are in cleartext, and anyone who cares to
            has read your email already.
           
         
        
          3453 [22:21:00] <somiaj> roylaprattep:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3454 [22:21:11] <greycat> If you've got something private to
            say to someone, either encrypt it yourself before sending it, or use
            a secure channel (which email is most definitely not).
           
         
        
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          3456 [22:22:50] <misternumberone> hi, on multiple systems running
            multiple versions of debian, one of which is the latest debian 9.4
            stretch DebianLive CD image,installing the package grub2-common and
            then running the command grub-mkrescue in any configuration that
            includes the option "--compress" prints "Segmentation
            fault" and exits
           
         
        
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          3458 [22:23:35] <misternumberone> for example, sudo grub-mkrescue
            --modules="lvm cryptodisk scsi ahci disk luks" --compress
            xz -o floppy.img ./img, or alternatively simply grub-mkrescue
            --compress
           
         
        
          3459 [22:24:31] <misternumberone> all calls I have tested that do
            not include "--compress" appear to work as expected
           
         
        
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          3550 [23:06:51] <gordonthegopher> Back now I've installed
            Debian Testing and Mate in a VM
           
         
        
          3551 [23:07:14] <gordonthegopher> If I install a snap it
            isn't added to any application menu (Brisk Menu or Mate
            Advanced Menu)
           
         
        
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          3575 [23:18:37] <jhutchins> !mate  
         
        
          3576 [23:18:37] <dpkg> The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of
            GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in
            wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>.
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          3581 [23:23:05] <jhutchins> gormenghast: Have you restarted mate?
            It might need to re-read the menu files.
           
         
        
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          3583 [23:23:53] <AliceKelly> good morning  
         
        
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          3602 [23:40:02] <AliceKelly> any idea how to get ntp to sync to
            the internet
           
         
        
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          3606 [23:44:20] <somiaj> AliceKelly: it should be doing that
            automatically, also systemd in stretch has its own time sync tool
            that could be running too
           
         
        
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          3609 [23:45:50] <AliceKelly> i used dpkg, she explained it :)
           
         
        
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          3614 [23:50:05] <jim> hi. I'm trying to mess around with
            stretch's apache2.4 config, and what I'm told from #httpd,
            is I don't have a vhost defined... where is the suggested place
            for that to go?
           
         
        
          3615 [23:50:57] <somiaj> you can put it anywhere you want
            (almost), though I think the standard is to make a single file in
            /etc/apache2/sites-avaiable for each virtual host, and then link
            them to sites-enabled
           
         
        
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          3618 [23:51:37] <jim> -if- this is an xy, the y is "try to
            learn how to config apache2"
           
         
        
          3619 [23:52:19] <jim> ohh ok  
         
        
          3620 [23:52:29] <somiaj> just like with the many foo.d config
            directories, a lot of where you put stuff is orginizational
           
         
        
          3621 [23:52:44] <bites> a2ensite <name> is a quick way to
            create the link.
           
         
        
          3622 [23:52:48] <somiaj> sometimes order that it is read by the
            app matters, hence they do things like 001-conf1, 002-conf2, etc
           
         
        
          3623 [23:53:15] <somiaj> and debian has a setup with
            sites-avaiable and sites-enabled to allow you to quickly add/remove
            virtual host config files to your server.
           
         
        
          3624 [23:55:18] <jim> what's the
            sites-available/000-default.conf for?
           
         
        
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          3627 [23:55:54] <bites> it's just the default page that comes
            with the package. edit as needed.
           
         
        
          3628 [23:56:18] <jim> ok... sec.  
         
        
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          3632 [23:58:41] <somiaj> jim: often times it is the fall back
            configuration for any request to the ip whose name doesn't
            match another vhost
           
         
        
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          3634 [23:58:59] <jim> bites, so what I hear you saying, is that
            when you install the webserver, it starts a default/sample?
           
         
        
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          3636 [23:59:05] <jim> do I have that right?
           
         
        
          3637 [23:59:11] <bites> ya  
         
        
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          3639 [23:59:35] <jim> ok, something's interfering with that
           
         
        
          3640 [23:59:42] <jim> let me find out what
           
         
        
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