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• 2[00:00:55] <ZTman> teraflops: replaced-url
• 3[00:01:37] <teraflops> ZTman: and?
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• 5[00:01:57] <ZTman> I don't see how to switch to the laptop screen when THAT xorg.conf is loaded.
• 6[00:02:33] <ZTman> doesn't look like xrandr will let me switch. I don't see how .xprofile and/or .xinitrc will *detect* or help.
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• 11[00:04:17] <teraflops> ZTman: something like this works either in .xprofile or .xinitrc replaced-url
• 12[00:05:23] <teraflops> ZTman: just change the xrandr commands inside
• 13[00:05:36] <ZTman> Yeah, I can't switch modes with xrandar commands. that does NOT work!
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• 15[00:05:51] <teraflops> did you tried?
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• 17[00:06:23] <ZTman> xrandr --output LVDS-0 --auto <-- That did nothing. Yes, I tried.
• 18[00:07:02] <ZTman> same with DP-O through DP-3 Nothing.
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• 24[00:08:16] <ZTman> Okay, look. The laptop has 2 video cards. Intel and nVidia. The Intel drives the Laptop screen. The nVidia drives the HDMI. I have never had them work at the same time.
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• 27[00:08:52] <ZTman> Maybe, just maybe, if I spent another day on it, I could get them both to work via multiple X-Servers.
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• 30[00:09:00] <teraflops> ZTman: yo never said that youre using bumblebee aaand the crapy one with the nvidia hardwired to the hdmi ...
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• 33[00:10:05] <ZTman> Honestly, I want mirroring. I don't want 2 X-servers. I know that mirroring is NOT going to work. So, I need to be able to reasonably switch between the 2. Rebooting is what I call reasonable.
• 34[00:10:18] <teraflops> that's why I get pissed because people omit the information and wastes our time
• 35[00:10:38] <teraflops> ZTman: so bumblebee or not?
• 36[00:10:39] <ZTman> Yeah, I didn't mention bumblbee because I set this mess up a year or two ago. so I forgot. My bad.
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• 38[00:11:04] <ZTman> Eh, yeah, I think I am using bumblbee.
• 39[00:11:05] <teraflops> ZTman: look at here replaced-url
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• 46[00:13:28] <ZTman> So, the answer to my question. Is you don't know how to detect if HDMI is currently connected without using xrandr... Which only works if X succeeded in loading. "You don't know" I'll keep guessing!
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• 48[00:13:53] <ZTman> teraflops: thanks for attempting. I really do appreciate your assistance.
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• 52[00:14:22] <teraflops> ZTman: np and excuse me for my bad mood
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• 56[00:16:41] <mentor> I would look in /sys/class/drm/
• 57[00:17:46] <sheppyh> ls /sys/bus/pci/drivers/vfio-pci
• 58[00:17:46] <sheppyh> - In here are some "files" bind unbind new_id remove_id - but they are not files, and if I tee into them it adds symbolic links and crazy shit. What are these "files"?
• 59[00:18:27] <mentor> sysfs is a pesudo filesystem
• 60[00:18:38] <mentor> ILike procfs
• 61[00:18:48] <sheppyh> i tried to cat one of them but got: cat: /sys/bus/pci/drivers/vfio-pci/new_id: Permission denied
• 62[00:18:54] <sheppyh> as root..
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• 68[00:19:41] <sheppyh> i see
• 69[00:19:41] <mentor> sheppyh, Yes
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• 71[00:20:08] <mentor> sheppyh, There is nothing to read, I expect
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• 73[00:20:16] <sheppyh> mentor, yes I've seen procfs too and wondered what's going on but too ignorant to understand it at the time
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• 76[00:20:50] <sheppyh> your right, but these files are still magic to me ;) I'll read up on how virtual files work
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• 84[00:23:42] <veverak> hi folks, anybody able to install zfs lately?
• 85[00:24:01] <veverak> The following packages have unmet dependencies: not being able to install dependencies :/
• 86[00:24:08] <veverak> (on debian-zfs)
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• 88[00:24:35] <veverak> tried to install it manually but stopped on: cpp-4.8 : Depends: gcc-4.8-base (= 4.8.4-1) but 4.8.4-2 is to be installed
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• 91[00:25:20] <markybob> ,v gcc-4.8-base
• 92[00:25:21] <judd> Package: gcc-4.8-base on amd64 -- jessie: 4.8.4-1; sid: 4.8.5-4; stretch: 4.8.5-4
• 93[00:25:38] <markybob> veverak: so you're not using debian
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• 96[00:26:34] <veverak> I am
• 97[00:26:47] <markybob> judd says that's not in debian
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• 99[00:27:14] <veverak> yeah, well, than it's in zfs repo
• 100[00:27:24] <markybob> veverak: then ask them
• 101[00:27:30] <markybob> !frankendebian
• 102[00:27:30] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 106[00:28:10] <moyix> anyone have advice on getting debian installed with an NVMe boot drive? jessie's grub-installer fails due to bug #785149, and the current stretch Alpha 5 fails because ifupdown and systemd conflict, breaking apt during the install
• 107[00:28:11] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 110[00:28:51] <Roland-> I have a quad nic, I would like to group them as 2x2 where each 2 would be lacp and then that lacp itself bonded as failover, is that a possible thing
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• 128[00:35:21] <sypher> ... Why.
• 129[00:35:36] <sypher> Roland-: I doubt your switch would allow that, let alone the OS.
• 130[00:35:48] <sypher> Roland-: Just do a 4-port LAG and call it a day.
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• 136[00:39:12] <Roland-> these are two switches, and swhich should not care about me doing the active-backup
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• 146[00:41:59] <sypher> Roland-: So a 2-port LAG to each switch, and then an active-backup bond might work. But that's not what you asked.
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• 148[00:42:18] <sypher> Roland-: The active-backup bond will not use LACP. But that's fine, for your purposes.
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• 153[00:45:08] <Roland-> yes I better try it myself
• 154[00:45:18] <n4dir> i use pidgin. How can i get rid of the messages enter and leave the room?
• 155[00:46:03] <sheppyh2> try /part #debian then try /join #pidgin
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• 158[00:46:42] <sypher> Roland-: In short, no, you cannot create a LAG across switches unless the switches support it, and those are some expensive switches. Also, you cannot create a LAG of LAGs.
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• 160[00:46:53] <n4dir> I guess i wouldn't need to /part debian for that ...
• 161[00:46:55] <sypher> Roland-: You can create an active-backup bond from the host across switches.
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• 163[00:47:10] <sheppyh2> that bit was me being mean ;)
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• 167[00:47:58] <n4dir> or clueless ... depends how you look at it.
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• 169[00:48:34] <humbot> replaced-url
• 170[00:48:54] <Roland-> the switches support lag, these are 10g M8428-K switches, pair. Stacking power is not enough to lacp on all 4 ports , so I need to make lacp -> switch1 + lacp - switch2, but only do lacp in case sw1 fails
• 171[00:49:34] <n4dir> thanks, humbot
• 172[00:49:39] <sheppyh2> Roland-, I'm not an expert, but what about making two LAGs exactly the same and then using STP to block one LAG path?
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• 176[00:50:28] <Roland-> ah
• 177[00:50:30] <Roland-> even better
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• 179[00:50:50] <Roland-> good idea, w lags, stp for redundancy
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• 182[00:51:51] <sheppyh2> not sure how STP deals with LAGs/LACP anyone else know?
• 183[00:53:16] <Roland-> it deals with whatever interface is activated on
• 184[00:53:19] <Roland-> or vlan, mst etc
• 185[00:53:35] <Roland-> for stp makes no difference if is ge or po
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• 188[00:53:57] <Roland-> it will block the second link
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• 190[00:54:51] <sheppyh2> nice :)
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• 192[00:55:26] <Roland-> it's going to be like an inception of network stuff
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• 203[00:58:59] <Azrael_-> hi
• 204[00:59:50] <Azrael_-> is there a known issue which kills the network permanently when updating from squeeze to wheezy? (eth0 couldn't be brought up)
• 205[01:01:47] <markybob> Azrael_-: not that i'm aware of
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• 207[01:02:31] <Azrael_-> k, gotta try it again and come back if this occurs again
• 208[01:02:56] <Azrael_-> as i wasn't able to resolve it, i restored the machine from the backup :)
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• 210[01:04:24] <markybob> Azrael_-: what's your exact upgrade process?
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• 215[01:06:04] <Azrael_-> apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade; added wheezy as additional source; apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; upgraded manually libc+mysql-server as the dist-upgrade failed otherwise; apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 217[01:06:53] <Azrael_-> btw: i had the squeeze-lts-sources also added and used for updates
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• 223[01:08:39] <Azrael_-> did i make any mistakes?
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• 229[01:10:48] <zhxk82> hello, how to turn off port forwarding that issued my ssh -fN ?
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• 231[01:11:18] <McD> Hi, i am using squeeze, and i cant install "arduino" & "arduino-core" , a lot of packages are not to be found in the repositories...
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• 234[01:12:12] <McD> have there been packages removed from the repositories ?
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• 238[01:13:24] <zhxk82> hello?
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• 245[01:14:51] <humbot> i think squeeze is now old oldstable and it's repositories have been moved to archive McD
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• 247[01:14:56] <humbot> replaced-url
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• 254[01:19:01] <McD> I hate the way debian , manages their repositories, i think Ubuntu does a far better job in this particular subject.. just http:old-releases.ubuntu.com
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• 260[01:20:27] <McD> why make it difficult for users like me ?
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• 262[01:20:47] <McD> why changing things that are not broken.. ?
• 263[01:20:59] <McD> i hate IT by now...
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• 269[01:21:34] <McD> you are driving me actually mad....
• 270[01:21:42] <elGr33k0> Hello
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• 272[01:21:45] <blind> What is the problem?
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• 274[01:21:52] <elGr33k0> I have build a lamp using debian 8
• 275[01:22:03] <jcowgill> McD: archive.debian.org?
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• 277[01:22:09] <elGr33k0> my previous experience was with centos
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• 281[01:22:34] <elGr33k0> so i have installed everything and I created public_html for my user
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• 283[01:23:06] <elGr33k0> but when i try to create a file with fopen(...) php i get an error that i can't create the file
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• 285[01:23:13] <elGr33k0> i have changed the mode to replaced-url
• 286[01:23:18] <elGr33k0> for the folder.
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• 288[01:23:27] <elGr33k0> do you have any suggestions?
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• 298[01:27:18] <somiaj> elGr33k0: what do you mean the mode to replaced-url
• 299[01:28:08] <somiaj> elGr33k0: what kinda of file are you trying to create? a temporary one? There are various ways to allow sctips such as php run from a browser to have correct permissions. One is put a fold with 1777 permissions on it (the 1 is for sticky bit, the 777 is everyone has all permissions)
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• 301[01:28:47] <mentor> gahhh
• 302[01:28:56] <somiaj> elGr33k0: you could put the file in a tmp location like /tmp that everyone has permsiosn to write to. You could give the group replaced-url
• 303[01:29:20] <somiaj> elGr33k0: the solution depends on what your security needs are and the file is being used for.
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• 305[01:30:22] <elGr33k0> But setting 1777 isn't a bad practice ?
• 306[01:30:40] <elGr33k0> Sorry i meant that i chown replaced-url
• 307[01:31:18] <elGr33k0> the problem is that when i do that I can't edit the files that are inside the public_html with my Atom IDE
• 308[01:31:21] <somiaj> elGr33k0: It isn't uncommon. Usually it is only a single directory (and not the whole tree of data)
• 309[01:31:26] <elGr33k0> even though my user is in replaced-url
• 310[01:31:44] <somiaj> elGr33k0: you were not clear on your chown command, did you change the user or the group.
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• 312[01:32:16] <elGr33k0> I actually changed the directory to be used by replaced-url
• 313[01:32:19] <somiaj> elGr33k0: also if you change the group, you need to set it up so group has write privlages which may not be default.
• 314[01:32:52] <somiaj> i.e. if the permsions are 755 the group still dosen't have write permisions. you would need 775 for the directory. or 664 for files
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• 317[01:33:54] <elGr33k0> I followed the wiki in debian about the apache2 setup
• 318[01:34:26] <somiaj> this is more about file permsions and not specific to apache2 setup
• 319[01:34:41] <somiaj> by default the apache server doen't have the ability to write many files, y ou have to modify the permisiosn to allow this
• 320[01:35:35] <somiaj> what are you using this file for?
• 321[01:35:39] <elGr33k0> i will try to change the permissions
• 322[01:35:42] <elGr33k0> thank you.
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• 324[01:35:56] <elGr33k0> I just want to write make some json exports :)
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• 349[01:51:26] <jaggzt> is there a way to watch a "make install" to see the files it installs, so I can remove them?
• 350[01:51:49] <jaggzt> I'm using checkinstall make install as root but it's failing.. I'm hesitant to make a mess by running "make install" without checkinstall watching it
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• 352[01:52:01] <mentor> jaggzt, Do you trust the Makefile?
• 353[01:52:07] <jaggzt> yeah
• 354[01:52:10] <jaggzt> it's opencv
• 355[01:52:12] <jaggzt> 3rdparty/libwebp/CMakeFiles/libwebp.dir/build.make:1479: recipe for target '3rdparty/libwebp/CMakeFiles/libwebp.dir/depend' failed
• 356[01:52:25] <mentor> jaggzt, Usually makefiles have the ability to set a target path
• 357[01:52:27] <jaggzt> it doesn't seem like a checkinstall issue though, so I doubt the make install will work anyway
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• 359[01:52:53] <yezariael> Hi! I just uninstalled zsh on a remote machine, then logged out. now I can't log back in with the user that has zsh as default shell. what happened there? why isn't the system using a default shell fallback?
• 360[01:53:08] <jaggzt> yeah I set it up with /usr/lib .. probably I could change that to some temp folder somewhere hm?
• 361[01:54:56] <somiaj> jaggzt: don't install stuff in /usr (i.e /usr/lib) from make files, use /usr/local instead [the default most makefiles ./configure scripts use)
• 362[01:55:01] <jaggzt> (correction, it uses /usr/local.. but no matter)
• 363[01:55:05] <somiaj> jaggzt: this will ensure what you isntall won't conflict with debian packages.
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• 367[01:55:30] <somiaj> jaggzt: check-install isn't working? Have you seen stow, I'm unsure of the differences.
• 368[01:55:54] <mentor> jaggzt, prefix; You should install self-compiled stuff in the "local" directories in the FHS hierarchy
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• 373[01:56:30] <jaggzt> actually I made it all in a release/ dir and now my cmake config is all messed up.. I need to clear that up first.. bleh
• 374[01:56:47] <jaggzt> since I changed that to "libopencv-3.1.0/" instead of "release/"
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• 377[01:58:45] <jaggzt> somiaj, I haven't looked into stow.. thanks, I will. It might not be checkinstall causing the problem..
• 378[01:58:54] <jaggzt> mentor, FHS?
• 379[01:59:32] <mentor> file-system hierarchy standard
• 380[01:59:41] <mentor> If it's still called that
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• 384[02:00:22] <jaggzt> interesting.. I never do that
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• 386[02:00:38] <jaggzt> I just use checkinstall and hope it manages it all nicely
• 387[02:00:53] <jaggzt> (not sure how it watches the files..)
• 388[02:00:58] <somiaj> !stow
• 389[02:00:58] <dpkg> stow is probably a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. replaced-url
• 390[02:01:04] <ZTman> how do I run something if my desktop manager fails?
• 391[02:01:07] <mentor> jaggzt, Debian doesn't promise to eat your children in such a case
• 392[02:01:10] <somiaj> jaggzt: just a similar tool, unsure of any differences. It may fit your needs better.
• 393[02:01:22] <jaggzt> I had an issue recently with an installation not allowing a temporary folder.. so the install would refuse to run within checkinstall..
• 394[02:01:55] <jaggzt> stow seems nice.. I only knew of checkinstall (which creates a .deb too)
• 395[02:02:10] <mentor> jaggzt, In which case the author needs to be beaten with a stick
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• 399[02:03:05] <somiaj> ZTman: so your desktop manager fails and you are at a console login?
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• 402[02:03:22] <somiaj> ZTman: or what do you mean by desktop manager (is this the display manager or the desktop enviorment)?
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• 408[02:04:21] <mentor> ZTman, If your graphical session is not responding in some form, you will need to access another session, be it local on a virtual console or via network
• 409[02:04:21] <ZTman> somiaj: (EE) no screens found(EE) And I won't have console. So, I need something to automatically run.
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• 413[02:05:13] <somiaj> ZTman: why not fix your xorg server so it runs? And why won't you have a console?
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• 415[02:06:05] <ZTman> because state changes. Works NOW because I have HDMI connected. FAILS when not connected during boot.
• 416[02:06:41] <mentor> ZTman, You can have a console
• 417[02:06:53] <ZTman> apparently, something hangs and so the virtual terminals don't work. Clearly something is working well enough for it to report .... *crickets*
• 418[02:07:08] <mentor> That sounds like a driver bug
• 419[02:07:14] <mentor> I suggest you report it
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• 424[02:08:27] <ZTman> mentor: that doesn't help me.
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• 426[02:08:41] <mentor> ZTman, Then nothing can.
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• 429[02:09:03] <somiaj> ZTman: you could just disable your display manager and start xorg with 'startx' this way you can adapt to the changes.
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• 431[02:09:24] <somiaj> ZTman: you could also find a way to detect which state you are in before you run the display manager and modify the xorg.conf file accordingly
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• 434[02:09:48] <ZTman> LOL !!! Ha ha ha ha ha. I asked how to do that earlier.
• 435[02:09:58] <somiaj> how to disable the display manager?
• 436[02:10:00] <somiaj> !nodm
• 437[02:10:00] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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• 439[02:10:10] <somiaj> use that line to put the word false in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
• 440[02:10:25] <ZTman> Nope, How to detect if the HDMI was connected at boot. I got nothing useful. BUt, thanks for that info. It might hurt a little less.
• 441[02:10:33] <somiaj> (as for why xorg has issues without your hdmi plugged in, you'll have to search though the logs and see what the issue is)
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• 443[02:10:56] <somiaj> is this a single graphics card, multiple graphics cards? Do you have an xorg.conf file, if so what is it?
• 444[02:11:31] <ZTman> somiaj: apparently I have bumblebee. At least I remember setting it up at one point. Don't know if it is still in the machine.
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• 446[02:12:06] <ZTman> Okay, I don't have bumblebee. All of those show p for purged.
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• 448[02:12:25] <somiaj> that doens't matter. What matter is the hardware. So this is optimus hardware (They intel/nvidia mix?)
• 449[02:12:36] <ZTman> Anyway. I have both Intel and nVidia. I only want one working at a time. If I boot with HDMI connected, then I expect the HDMI to work.
• 450[02:12:47] <ZTman> if not, then I need it to fall back to the Laptop.
• 451[02:13:02] <somiaj> and do you use different drivers for the hdmi than the laptop
• 452[02:13:04] <ZTman> Yeah, it is that optimus mess.
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• 454[02:13:19] <somiaj> say hdmi is using the non-free nvidia drivers and the laptop usses the intel drivers?
• 455[02:14:14] <ZTman> I remove the xorg.conf and it defaults to the laptop. I copy a functional xorg.conf and HDMI works great on the TV>
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• 457[02:14:37] <mentor> ZTman, Have you looked in sysfs /sys/class/drm?
• 458[02:14:38] <somiaj> can we see the contents of this xorg.conf.
• 459[02:14:41] <ZTman> And yes, it is using the non-free nvidia drivers.
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• 461[02:15:08] <mentor> Hence the reluctance to actually fix the problem
• 462[02:15:25] <ZTman> mentor: yeah, I looked in it. For what? Mangled set of, guess your magical directory and file.
• 463[02:15:45] <ZTman> somiaj: One moment.
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• 465[02:16:34] <ZTman> somiaj: replaced-url
• 466[02:16:40] <mentor> ZTman, Well, that would be the canonical answer, really
• 467[02:16:54] <mentor> ZTman, sysfs is where the kernel publishes this sort of informaiton
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• 469[02:17:16] <mentor> ZTman, There is documentation available in general, but I cannot speak for what the nVidia driver publishes
• 470[02:17:20] <somiaj> ZTman: xorg will not detect when to use the non-free nvidia driver and when to use it. You'll have to find a way to tell xorg when to use what driver. You may be able to run a script that detects if the hdmi is pluged in, though I think disabling the display manager would be helpful.
• 471[02:17:57] <mentor> ZTman, I'm afraid I cannot do anything to understand the world for you
• 472[02:18:08] <somiaj> lines 39-44 are the only lines in that file you need.
• 473[02:18:58] <somiaj> ZTman: the optimus support in debian isn't as good as ubuntu/mint and you are going to have to find a way to just deal with it for the time. Even if this means learning how to use a console a bit more.
• 474[02:19:15] <ZTman> somiaj: "You may be able to run a script that detects if the hdmi is pluged in" <-- This is exactly what I want to know how to do.
• 475[02:19:53] <somiaj> ZTman: Try to figure it out. Google may give you pointers of what you could check for that.
• 476[02:19:56] <mentor> The information will be in sysfs, if anywhere
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• 478[02:20:49] <ZTman> So, I only need the Device section.
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• 483[02:22:26] <ZTman> If I can't directly detect that the HDMI is connected, I need to detect that starting X failed. The "no screens" error. So, I can remove the xorg.conf restart lightdm
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• 487[02:23:51] <ZTman> and the device section is NOT the only thing I need. "DPI" "90x90" for proper scaling is vital. so, I need the "Screen" section as well.
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• 496[02:26:23] <ZTman> BRB. And feel free to offer additional advise. I'll still be able to see it.
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• 499[02:27:34] <ZTman> I'm back.
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• 507[02:32:19] <ZTman> somiaj: Okay, so those 2 sections in the file are good enough. "Thank you."
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• 524[02:39:46] <sheppyh> ,v virt-manager
• 525[02:39:47] <judd> Package: virt-manager on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-8; wheezy: 0.9.1-4; jessie: 1:1.0.1-5; stretch: 1:1.2.1-4; sid: 1:1.2.1-4; experimental: 1:1.3.2-1
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• 527[02:40:25] <sheppyh> i need 1.2 - if it's not in the backports, do I add stretch repos and update? :S
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• 531[02:42:15] <somiaj> sheppyh: that sounds like you want to break your debian
• 532[02:42:24] <sheppyh> yes that's what I thought
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• 535[02:42:41] <somiaj> sheppyh: why do you need 1.2? And are you sure it is virt-manager that is what you want or are you missing some actual virtuilization in libvirt?
• 536[02:43:12] <somiaj> I personally just use virsh so unsure what it is in virt-manager you are needing, or if it is something with the actual virtualization software (kvm, etc) you want
• 537[02:43:19] <sheppyh> UEIF support
• 538[02:43:55] <sheppyh> maybe libvirtd needs to advertise it instead
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• 541[02:44:40] <somiaj> this could be a lot of work if the uefi support is not included in the virtulization software in jessie
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• 543[02:45:07] <somiaj> i.e. I don't know enough to say if you are just missing a tool to turn it on and you could just do it manually with virsh or the xml files, or if you actually need to backport the virtualization softare (not just libvirt)
• 544[02:45:15] <sheppyh> I tried so hard, and got so far. In the end, it doesn't really matter
• 545[02:45:31] <somiaj> There is a libvirt channel on irc.oftc.net that may be able to provided some better idea of what you need to do to get uefi support in jessie.
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• 547[02:45:36] <sheppyh> I've backported kernel 4.3 and QEMU/KVM 2.5
• 548[02:45:48] <sheppyh> okay thanks :)
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• 551[02:45:59] <somiaj> well 4.3 kernel is now provided in backports, but seems like you now have to backport virt-manager
• 552[02:46:13] <sheppyh> yeh there's nothing in the backports for virt-manager ;(
• 553[02:46:37] <mentor> sheppyh, You can install selected packages from different releases using apt pinning, but note that is not supported or tested and is likely to eat your children
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• 555[02:46:54] <sheppyh> hahah
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• 558[02:47:21] <sheppyh> I can't see any probs with virt-manager but it might pull some dependancies I guess
• 559[02:47:42] <mentor> APT will handle the dependencies for you
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• 561[02:47:49] <mentor> It's the unforeseen issues that are the problem
• 562[02:47:53] <abrotman> or explode ..
• 563[02:47:59] <sheppyh> i might not need it, I'll try and work around it for now
• 564[02:48:00] <somiaj> mentor I think is working for rumpelstiltskin and needs childern for some reason.
• 565[02:48:01] <markybob> ,checkbackport virt-manager
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• 567[02:48:02] <judd> Backporting package virt-manager in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 568[02:48:13] <markybob> looks like a simple ssb will do
• 569[02:48:21] <ZTman> Okay, under /sys/class/drm I have card1 That matches the HDMI. Haven't be able to figure out when it is and is not connected.
• 570[02:48:23] <sheppyh> desparately trying to keep using debian for the hypervisor
• 571[02:48:37] <sheppyh> ssb?
• 572[02:48:41] <markybob> !ssb
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• 574[02:48:41] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 575[02:48:55] <markybob> sheppyh: skip step 2
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• 578[02:49:12] <somiaj> ZTman: the card will be there despite it being plugged into a monintor. Might need to look a bit deeper
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• 581[02:49:34] <sheppyh> okay
• 582[02:49:53] <sheppyh> i understand ill give it a go - why did you think ssb will do based on judd?
• 583[02:50:15] <ZTman> somiaj: I assumed that. I was poking around, connecting and disconnecting, using watch on files and trying to detect a change.
• 584[02:50:30] <sheppyh> and I assume ssb has something to do with sid specifically? sorry just trying to understand
• 585[02:50:46] <somiaj> sheppyh: it checks the build-depends of the testing package and sees if they are availible in stable
• 586[02:50:47] <ZTman> somiaj: did a "grep -r connect" and that just crashed with and io error. I guess it didn't like a binary file it hit.
• 587[02:51:02] <sheppyh> ah okay :)
• 588[02:51:12] <markybob> sheppyh: it uses sid sources to build jessie binaries with jessie dependencies. breaks less crap
• 589[02:51:57] <sheppyh> sounds good. thx
• 590[02:52:00] <markybob> sheppyh: hopefully (most of the time) breaks nothing
• 591[02:52:13] <mentor> Of course, it also shifts some of the maintainership and security burden onto you locally
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• 615[03:01:09] <sheppyh> yeh that's ok
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• 617[03:01:59] <karlpinc> , checkbackport virt-manager
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• 619[03:01:59] <judd> Backporting package virt-manager in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 620[03:02:26] <karlpinc> sheppyh: Looks relatively painless.
• 621[03:03:11] <markybob> karlpinc: again, said that already. you love repeating me
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• 626[03:04:18] <karlpinc> markybob: You're my hero. ;-)
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• 630[03:05:48] <karlpinc> markybob: Thought I looked through the backhistory. Guess I missed it.
• 631[03:08:16] <somiaj> we give double the support in #debian
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• 675[03:33:44] <austeregrim> That stupid server... I'm about ready to just pull it out of the rack and throw it back on the pile it came from.
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• 679[03:35:23] <austeregrim> the debian guest kernel panicked... and there's not wait spent on io. I'm at a loss... it's a fine machine, if it wasn't so slow.
• 680[03:36:15] <austeregrim> I guess it will be an amazing raid array. because I know that's the only thing not lagging.
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• 692[03:40:52] <jaggzt> mentor, lame.. make install actually builds binaries (for python) that make didn't builf
• 693[03:40:53] <jaggzt> build
• 694[03:40:57] <jaggzt> (opencv)
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• 702[03:41:58] <mentor> jaggzt, Yes, that sounds rubbish
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• 704[03:43:27] <sheppyh> markybob, I tried those steps, something's gone wrong with dependancie
• 705[03:43:43] <sheppyh> am I supposed to dpkg -i x.deb to install?
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• 708[03:44:29] <n0t> That was his step 4
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• 710[03:45:03] <n0t> Well dpkg's I suppose, but yes you need to install the package once it's built
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• 715[03:45:44] <sheppyh> maybe it's okay, just said there was a problem but the current version has upgraded let me test
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• 717[03:46:25] <sheppyh> broken :D Frankendebien
• 718[03:46:36] <jaggzt> I made them in a temp dir, then tried to cp -vrp --parents to /usr/local/ (not sure what you recommend as the proper location for local builds.. I actually thought that's what /usr/local was for)...
• 719[03:46:47] <jaggzt> but it looks like some folders weren't created or something.. weird thing.. what a pain
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• 721[03:47:46] <cafuego> jaggzt: have you tried 'checkinstall' ?
• 722[03:48:00] <jaggzt> yeah that's what I'm trying to use, but when ran through checkinstall it fails
• 723[03:48:09] <cafuego> fakeroot eh?
• 724[03:48:27] <somiaj> jaggzt: what do you mean by local builds? Where is the proper location for the source?
• 725[03:48:43] <sheppyh> aptitude build-dep packagename <<< how does it know to look at sid instead of jessie
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• 727[03:49:20] <cafuego> jaggzt: I usually bake local installs with --prefix=/usr/local/THING and then symlink as needed in /usr/local/bin
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• 729[03:50:51] <jaggzt> yeah but then there a TON of libs to link too
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• 733[03:51:21] <jaggzt> I now put "tar -cf - */ | (cd /usr/local && tar -xvf -) in an install.sh and tried that in checkinstall, but it's having weird errors
• 734[03:51:24] <jaggzt> tar: share/OpenCV/lbpcascades: Cannot utime: No such file or directory
• 735[03:51:56] <jaggzt> that file does exist in the current temp install dir (./share/OpenCV/lbpc...) along with the same error on other folders
• 736[03:52:07] <jaggzt> I think it might be something checkinstall is doing
• 737[03:52:19] <sheppyh> I just did apt-get -f install
• 738[03:52:20] <cafuego> is that a file or a symlink to a dest that doesn't exist?
• 739[03:52:33] <jaggzt> tar shouldn't care
• 740[03:52:55] <r00tobo> hi, I have a suggestion for debian project, debian keep it simple and make debian a rolling release in regular basis ?
• 741[03:52:57] <jaggzt> no.. actual folder though
• 742[03:53:14] <r00tobo> with no versions o.o 7 or 8 etc...
• 743[03:53:40] <r6ku> r00tobo: try arch
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• 745[03:53:54] <themill> r00tobo: people who want things to keep working don't want that; people who do want that can already use testing.
• 746[03:54:09] <sypher> r00tobo: Uh, no. No thank you. Ever.
• 747[03:54:17] <somiaj> cafuego: isn't that what stow does?
• 748[03:54:41] <jaggzt> yeah I don't really want all the symlinks stow would do.. I'd prefer debian's package system in this case
• 749[03:54:50] <cafuego> somiaj: I don't know what stow is
• 750[03:54:54] <jaggzt> it handles it well enough.. just something checkinstall is doing that I don't understand
• 751[03:54:57] <somiaj> !tell cafuego about stow
• 752[03:54:58] <r00tobo> I see. r6ku: I already used arch before, it's just a suggestion XD
• 753[03:55:07] <somiaj> cafuego: it might be a tool to automate what you are doing alreayd
• 754[03:55:16] <sypher> r00tobo: It's a terrible one. There are reasons I don't use Arch, its rolling nature chief among them.
• 755[03:55:24] * cafuego shakes his first at somiaj
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• 757[03:56:33] <somiaj> r00tobo: there was once discussion of debian cut, but there was not nearly enough support for it. Though with backports being offical and far more common the need is probabaly less than it was when debian cut was though of.
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• 760[03:56:36] <jaggz> bleh
• 761[03:56:47] <r00tobo> yes, it's a rolling base, but actually I find it easier for even upgrading, for example debian using version releases, for someone who wants to upgrade from 7 to 8 maybe face problems while doing that
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• 763[03:57:28] <sypher> r00tobo: Again, I don't want a rolling release. I want a stable base that I can trust to not change due to routine updates.
• 764[03:57:32] <r00tobo> or I can use stable repo instead of the codename release repo? o.o
• 765[03:57:44] <themill> r00tobo: facing a couple of problems on one day is better than facing a continual barrage of problems every day.
• 766[03:57:56] <r00tobo> yes true, I find debian pretty stable I actually using it right now :p
• 767[03:57:58] <somiaj> r00tobo: the upgrdes from one release to another are very well tested. Provided one reads the release notes for known issues and doesn't have unoffical software, it works just fine [far better than the random breaks testing/unstable have]
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• 769[03:58:30] <karlpinc> r00tobo: Using "stable" instead of "jessie" is a receipe for upgrading when you don't expect it and producing something broken.
• 770[03:58:36] <somiaj> r00tobo: I would use the code name (only in the idea this gives you time to read the release notes and make sure you have the time to do an upgrade, not just have it happen in peices when you install software one day)
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• 772[03:58:43] <cheapie> Is there a way to combine multiple debian CD images? I'm wanting to turn two DLBD (50GB) images into one for writing to a 3-layer BD.
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• 775[03:59:03] <cheapie> (yes, 3-layer BDs are 100GB. Don't ask me why...)
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• 777[03:59:19] <karlpinc> cheapie: Theoretically, jigdo. I think. (Didn't you do this?)
• 778[03:59:35] <cheapie> Jigdo will download the two DLBD images, yes.
• 779[03:59:37] <somiaj> cheapie: you could just burn the images on there and have the dvd images on that dvd. But this adds an extra layer of mounting them to use them
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• 781[03:59:59] <somiaj> cheapie: I don't know of any tool that will combine them intoa single iso though.
• 782[04:00:00] <karlpinc> cheapie: Otherwise, there's docs on what a repo looks like if you want to combine what's on each image.
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• 784[04:00:18] <r00tobo> yes, I actually using offical software direct from the main repo o.o so I don't expect any breaks
• 785[04:00:36] <cheapie> karlpinc: That sounds like a pain, but might be doable.
• 786[04:00:40] <karlpinc> somiaj: Wouldn't cp work? Just copy "more stuff" into existing directories?
• 787[04:00:48] <cheapie> somiaj: Not a bad idea either.
• 788[04:01:00] <r00tobo> I already deleted my skype installation XD it sucks I hate it from the beginning xD
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• 790[04:01:08] <somiaj> karlpinc: I'm sure there is some sort of index file that apt-cdrom reads so one might need to genreate that.
• 791[04:01:13] <cheapie> I'd have to merge the metadata from the two, and I'm not sure how practical that is.
• 792[04:01:18] <karlpinc> somiaj: Yeah. I speak from ignorance.
• 793[04:01:19] <cafuego> karlpinc: Not for the package lists; you'd need to combine those.
• 794[04:01:46] <somiaj> karlpinc: but unsure on the details. It is mostly just copy the files, but I'm not sure about how the package index is gnerated for apt-cdrom.
• 795[04:02:22] <karlpinc> r00tobo: You probably want to see the <overview> and <finding docs> factoids.
• 796[04:02:42] <cheapie> 50GB does seem like a strangely arbitrary limit for where the image file sizes stop, seeing as how 100GB discs exist, 128GB (supposedly) exist, and flash memory can get even larger.
• 797[04:03:39] <r00tobo> karlpinc, in the debian website? o.o
• 798[04:03:40] <cheapie> The whole thing is <100GB, so it would only require another set of jigdo files for all disc sizes to be supported.
• 799[04:03:50] <themill> We'd be better off not generating the larger images at all
• 800[04:03:53] <karlpinc> cheapie: Seems like Debian has always assumed that people will have net access. It just works better under that assumption. (And really, if you don't, how much of a hassle are multiple dvds?)
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• 803[04:04:24] <karlpinc> r00tobo: Here, in irc. Try typing (without leading spaces): /msg dpkg overview
• 804[04:04:25] <cafuego> More to the point, computers still come with optical drives? ;-)
• 805[04:04:26] <somiaj> And it isn't like most installs use all the packages debian has avaialble
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• 807[04:04:43] <r00tobo> btw, can I do a dual boot Debian 8 / Win 10 ? o.o
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• 809[04:05:04] <somiaj> r00tobo: if you install debian second, just install the os-prober packge, this should find windows and give a grub entry fro it.
• 810[04:05:13] <somiaj> r00tobo: installing windows second makes this processes a bit harder.
• 811[04:05:15] <karlpinc> r00tobo: Sure. But MS always wants to borg your system, so install MS Windows first.
• 812[04:05:19] <cheapie> If you haven't noticed yet, I'm not saying this is practical - I'm trying to make a point here that the images stop at 50GB, and that's quite an oddly spcific value.
• 813[04:05:33] <r00tobo> nice, thank you karlpinc 😃
• 814[04:06:15] <r00tobo> yes it's already installed a win 10
• 815[04:06:40] <r00tobo> somiaj, this package is in the repo? .o.
• 816[04:07:22] <karlpinc> r00tobo: grub is the stock bootloader
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• 818[04:07:34] <karlpinc> r00tobo: (Installed when you install debian)
• 819[04:07:56] <somiaj> r00tobo: os-prober is a package in the debian repo that works with grub [unsure if this is installed by default or not]
• 820[04:08:01] <somiaj> grub is
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• 823[04:08:18] <r00tobo> yes grub2 is the default bootloader :3
• 824[04:08:26] <karlpinc> cheapie: What are you talking about? 5,368,709,210 is my lucky number!
• 825[04:08:37] <somiaj> in many cases that package will find windows and allow you to boot it from grub. In some cases you will have to manually configure grub
• 826[04:08:41] <r00tobo> can I use jessie-backports without any issue? .o.
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• 828[04:09:00] <karlpinc> r00tobo: Sure
• 829[04:09:06] <somiaj> [also note with efi being the standard, and if windows was installed in efi mode, grub and debian can now share different efi boot enteries in the efi partition make dual booting far more convient]
• 830[04:09:10] <r00tobo> cool ;)
• 831[04:09:18] <r00tobo> it has a newer kernel version
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• 833[04:09:48] <somiaj> r00tobo: jessie-backport packages are not as well tested and are not supported by the security team (afaik), though the matainer sometimes does provide security updates.
• 834[04:10:06] <somiaj> yea the kernel and hardware support are apckages that are commonly backported and updated
• 835[04:10:06] <karlpinc> r00tobo: The general rule is to install newer-than-stable stuff if you have reason to.
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• 840[04:11:48] <karlpinc> r00tobo: But stuff in jessie-backports does not get updated automatically, because stuff in backports does not get installed automatically. (At least that's been my experience with backports in the past.) So you don't automaticallyl get security updates pushed to backports like you do when you ask the system to "upgrade everything" normally.
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• 844[04:12:18] <sheppyh> ma
• 845[04:12:30] <sheppyh> !ssb
• 846[04:12:30] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 848[04:12:49] <sheppyh> i really don't understand this - running aptitude build-dep virt-manager installs no dependancies
• 849[04:13:00] <sheppyh> then I dpkg -i virt-manger......deb
• 850[04:13:18] <sheppyh> and I have dependency problems prevent confuguration of virtinst
• 851[04:13:24] <sheppyh> 3 dependancies missing
• 852[04:13:29] <sheppyh> why?
• 853[04:13:42] <karlpinc> sheppyh: Build dependencies are different from run dependences.
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• 855[04:14:01] <TomTomTo1> sheppyh, what do you want to build?
• 856[04:14:08] <karlpinc> sheppyh: You'll need to install the dependences required to run it yourself.
• 857[04:14:10] <sheppyh> oh
• 858[04:14:25] <sheppyh> can I fix all this with apt-get -f install ?
• 859[04:14:42] <karlpinc> sheppyh: Why not apt-get install <whateverdependency>?
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• 862[04:14:54] <exedore6> sheppy: Maybe (re -f install)
• 863[04:14:55] <karlpinc> sheppyh: If you do a -f, you probably break things.
• 864[04:15:02] <sheppyh> >.<
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• 866[04:15:23] <exedore6> karlpinc, Wouldn't -f just try to install the missing deps?
• 867[04:15:33] <sheppyh> it will, but I need the missing deps
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• 869[04:16:06] <sheppyh> does it matter when:
• 870[04:16:16] <sheppyh> ,checkbackport virt-manager
• 871[04:16:17] <judd> Backporting package virt-manager in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 872[04:16:20] <karlpinc> exedore6: I think that'd be -m, not -f. -f would ignore missing dependencies.
• 873[04:16:25] <sheppyh> does above mean I can install dependancies?
• 874[04:16:38] <sheppyh> oh build-dependancies i see now
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• 876[04:16:49] <karlpinc> sheppyh: When you try to install, it says stuff is missing. Install the missing stuff.
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• 878[04:17:22] <karlpinc> exedore6: Or maybe I have it backwards. I don't use apt-get.
• 879[04:17:30] <exedore6> karlpinc, I think you're right.
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• 881[04:17:40] <sheppyh> ok :)
• 882[04:17:41] <somiaj> sheppyh: apt-get -f install will try to fix things. In some cases the fix is installing the missing libaries. In others it is removing the bad packages.
• 883[04:17:43] <exedore6> The 'f in apt-get is for fix, not force.
• 884[04:18:09] <sheppyh> okay, I mean the suggestions it gives me when running -f seem acceptable - i.e. 3 new packages 0 updates etc..
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• 886[04:18:19] <somiaj> aptitude sometimes can solve logical issues where apt fails, though this doens't seem to happen to me all that often that aptitude will be sucessful and apt not.
• 887[04:18:39] <somiaj> sheppyh: yea it will install the missing depends, provdied they are available.
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• 889[04:18:47] <sheppyh> it fackin works
• 890[04:18:52] <sheppyh> you lovely people thanks
• 891[04:19:09] <karlpinc> sheppyh: This is good. I've been interested in trying out that package.
• 892[04:19:33] <sheppyh> Namespace SpiceClientGtk not available when trying to edit VM options
• 893[04:19:51] <namespace> Don't be silly I'm right here.
• 894[04:20:01] <sheppyh> oops sorry haha :D
• 895[04:20:08] <ZodoTurtle> I'm running lightdm, and lxde. I want something that runs every time I succefully start X.
• 896[04:20:39] <somiaj> ZodoTurtle: various ways, but I'd look uo 'lxde autostart application' in google
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• 898[04:21:52] <ZodoTurtle> somiaj: I could be wrong, but application implies gui to me.
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• 908[04:23:58] <r00tobo> I see o.o actually I don't need it if there are patches for the current stable kernel on 8 o.o
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• 912[04:25:31] <somiaj> ZodoTurtle: doesn't have to be, application is just a command that is run.
• 913[04:25:45] <r00tobo> guys, my friend can't use debian 8 64 bit version but can use 32 bit version o.o, why?
• 914[04:25:54] <TomTomTosch> r00tobo, there is little reason to get the kernel from backports. just to get a bigger number is not a good reason :P
• 915[04:26:09] <somiaj> ZodoTurtle: There is an autostart method you can use with LXDE which will run any command/script when LXDE is started. I think it requires you write a .desktop file and put ti somewhere, but google can tell you more.
• 916[04:26:09] <TomTomTosch> r00tobo, what cpu does your friend have?
• 917[04:26:25] <r00tobo> wait let me check.
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• 920[04:26:34] <somiaj> r00tobo: if the hardware works fine ont he kernel in jessie, I woudln't upgrade to backports.
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• 923[04:28:02] <sheppyh> theres a bloody utube vid on this: replaced-url
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• 926[04:28:32] <r00tobo> yes ofc. it works just out of the box, TomTomTosch: he is sleeping XD but I think his cpu is i5g
• 927[04:28:35] <strixdio> Anyone know how to downgrade to python 2.6?
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• 929[04:29:13] <somiaj> r00tobo: that should work fine with either amd64 or i386. You would have to clairy 'doesn't work' to be of much more help.
• 930[04:29:20] <somiaj> strixdio: you don't want to do that.
• 931[04:29:27] <strixdio> somiaj: sadly it's necessary.
• 932[04:29:31] <strixdio> It's a vm anyway.
• 933[04:29:34] <somiaj> strixdio: to many sytem things depend on python, this can break your system.
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• 935[04:29:36] <r00tobo> I will ask him what exactly cpu module he has
• 936[04:29:49] <somiaj> r00tobo: I'd more ask what doesn't work.
• 937[04:29:51] <somiaj> !doesn't work
• 938[04:29:51] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 939[04:30:15] <somiaj> strixdio: you can install a different python version somewhere, and use the python virtual enviorment to only use that version in certain cases.
• 940[04:30:23] <strixdio> hmm, okay..
• 941[04:30:27] <somiaj> strixdio: but I woudl'tn change tthe systems version of python.
• 942[04:30:31] <strixdio> somiaj: are you familiar with "Carla"?
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• 944[04:30:38] <somiaj> strixdio: nope
• 945[04:30:41] <strixdio> hmm okay.
• 946[04:30:51] <strixdio> Well it's giving me a little bit of an issue.
• 947[04:30:57] <strixdio> hang on let me grab it
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• 950[04:31:16] <somiaj> strixdio: You may want to go get upstream support, see what is required to get it to run on python2.7 in debian.
• 951[04:31:26] <r00tobo> oh ok. I will ask him in specific what he is facing when trying to install the 64 bit o.o does he can install it but can boot in or can't even boot to the cd/dvd image in the first place
• 952[04:31:37] <somiaj> but I don't know enough about python to track down any bugs. I just know changing the system python version can be very dangerous.
• 953[04:32:10] <strixdio> somiaj: replaced-url
• 954[04:32:19] <somiaj> r00tobo: also trying to be a middle person for support is difficult. When it comes time to actually figure out the issue, might be best to just have him ask in irc.
• 955[04:32:38] <strixdio> yeah I cannot remember how I got it to work on my old partition.
• 956[04:32:46] <strixdio> Sadly I can't really boot into that partition anymore.
• 957[04:32:58] <strixdio> zfs on debian is too old to work with what I currently have.
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• 960[04:33:13] <somiaj> strixdio: you haven't really pasted the error, but you can go look at the lines of code it poitns you at and try to see what is wrong/missing.
• 961[04:33:18] <r00tobo> yes, you're right. ;) thank you all for your support and answering my stupid questions XD
• 962[04:33:22] <r00tobo> I love you all ♥
• 963[04:33:25] <strixdio> mm
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• 966[04:35:40] <TomTomTosch> strixdio, what do you want to run?
• 967[04:35:45] <strixdio> carla
• 968[04:35:53] <strixdio> I'm really not sure what's going on with it at all
• 969[04:36:00] <karlpinc> somiaj, strixdio: On the other hand I've never had any problems installing the debian python3 package alongside the python package and having both 2 and 3 available. (Which is different from "changing the default python version".)
• 970[04:36:17] <strixdio> however i need 2.6
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• 973[04:36:52] <somiaj> karlpinc: I consider python2.7 the default version because I think that is the version that all the system python scripts use [which is why changing that to 2.7 could break important packages]
• 974[04:36:56] <somiaj> arg 2.6
• 975[04:37:00] <karlpinc> strixdio: Sounds like a job for a python virtualenv. If you can't get help here ask in #python.
• 976[04:37:12] <strixdio> okay thanks karlpinc
• 977[04:37:20] <somiaj> karlpinc: though I'm unsure if phython3 has a wrapper or is just seperate. There is a way to deal with python veirtual enviorments. sagemath (which I use) has its own version of python.
• 978[04:37:26] <karlpinc> (I'm pretty sure you can get a different python in a virtualenv.)
• 979[04:37:51] <somiaj> I nkow you can, I have two versions of python 2.7 installed on my machine. But one lives in its own root.
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• 982[04:38:19] <TomTomTosch> think that's just for the libs. you can have as many python versions as you like.
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• 984[04:38:37] <TomTomTosch> just as somiaj said, not as system default.
• 985[04:39:15] <somiaj> and only because you don't want to break system python scripts. (:
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• 988[04:40:00] <TomTomTosch> also i doubt you need 2.6 specifically. but i can't find the project page for carla, maybe you can link me.
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• 992[04:41:29] <markybob> having written a major python program (deluge) i didn't run into python 2.6-> 2.7 issues
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• 1001[04:45:12] <jaggz> markybob: you wrote deluge?
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• 1005[04:45:30] <strixdio> actually, I think I may have an old version
• 1006[04:45:34] <markybob> jaggz: i was the lead developer for a couple of years. no longer.
• 1007[04:45:40] <strixdio> I thought I downloaded the latest, but apparently it wasn't built in a long while...
• 1008[04:45:47] <jaggz> pretty cool
• 1009[04:45:49] <strixdio> trying directly from their git, which says python 3
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• 1011[04:47:00] <strixdio> replaced-url
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• 1020[04:50:58] <strixdio> anyone know what this means?
• 1021[04:51:00] <strixdio> replaced-url
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• 1026[04:52:09] <TomTomTosch> strixdio, needs build-essential
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• 1031[04:53:04] <strixdio> ohh
• 1032[04:53:08] <strixdio> I'll try that thanks
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• 1034[04:53:22] <strixdio> is it usually make gcc and build-essential that are needed ?
• 1035[04:53:32] <TomTomTosch> strixdio, can i ask what you want to use that for? maybe there is something similar packaged for debian.
• 1036[04:53:44] <strixdio> I need it to run audio samples
• 1037[04:54:01] <strixdio> /bin/sh: 1: pkg-config: not found
• 1038[04:54:05] <strixdio> getting a lot of those. bad?
• 1039[04:54:06] <markybob> strixdio: build-essential gives you things like gcc and other build tools
• 1040[04:54:22] <strixdio> markybob: ah, thanks.
• 1041[04:54:33] <strixdio> Never really used make in the few years I've been learning linux.
• 1042[04:54:46] <strixdio> slow, but not much time.
• 1043[04:54:51] <markybob> strixdio: so apt-get install pkg-config
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• 1045[04:55:03] <strixdio> oh that's what that means.
• 1046[04:55:16] <strixdio> thanks.
• 1047[04:55:36] <strixdio> idk why, sometimes I just don't make the connection with things like that.
• 1048[04:55:48] <strixdio> idk why I didn't just assume it was a command it was looking for.
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• 1050[04:57:03] <strixdio> wooow.
• 1051[04:57:14] <strixdio> still not working.
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• 1053[04:58:01] <strixdio> apparently another missing package.
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• 1055[04:58:07] <TomTomTosch> man, don't use this chat like whatsapp ;D
• 1056[04:58:26] <markybob> strixdio: which you havent told us the error. make it easy to help you
• 1057[04:58:31] <strixdio> I don't understand but apparently I'm doing something wrong sorry.
• 1058[04:58:39] <strixdio> markybob: I think I figured it out.
• 1059[04:59:01] <plasmoduck> Hey guys I've setup my VPN using Network-manager in Gnome and I can connect to it, but my internet traffic isn't passing through it. I can see the route when I type 'route'.
• 1060[04:59:39] <strixdio> replaced-url
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• 1063[05:00:47] <markybob> that one i don't know because i don't know what the fuck that is
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• 1065[05:01:00] <strixdio> yeah, it's a pain. pretty crappy software tbh.
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• 1069[05:02:21] <strixdio> wow, got it working after a lot more googling a many more issues.
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• 1073[05:02:43] <strixdio> Thanks for your help everyone.
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• 1075[05:03:04] <strixdio> TomTomTosch: Sorry for using this chat "like whatsapp" whatever that means.
• 1076[05:03:51] <TomTomTosch> strixdio, that just means that you are a bit spammy. 1500 people are reading things like "wooow" and other single word lines.
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• 1080[05:04:16] <markybob> !enter
• 1081[05:04:16] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
• 1082[05:04:36] <strixdio> Oh, right. Understood. I have a habbit of this since the old AOL 3.0 days, lol.
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• 1099[05:14:24] <enthd> hello all
• 1100[05:14:47] <enthd> i have a question...
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• 1103[05:16:30] <TomTomTosch> confucius say, the man who asks a question is a fool for a minute, the man who does not ask is a fool for life.
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• 1107[05:20:43] <One_Zero_One> cactus?
• 1108[05:21:21] <One_Zero_One> why would I be banned from ubuntu channel if Ive never been there ever?
• 1109[05:21:29] <enthd> overzealous hostmask
• 1110[05:21:30] <enthd> pm an op
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• 1113[05:21:40] <enthd> TomTomTosch: asking to ask a question gives you more attention than just asking it outright
• 1114[05:21:45] <One_Zero_One> I cant get in to do that
• 1115[05:22:05] <enthd> TomTomTosch: bc people like u are bound to respond to "can i ask a question?" with "dont ask to ask just ask"
• 1116[05:22:31] <One_Zero_One> it doesnt really matter I was just curious
• 1117[05:22:59] <themill> One_Zero_One: it looks like you're using a livecd that is not ubuntu and not supported in #ubuntu
• 1118[05:23:50] <enthd> my monitor is on a ~10 second cycle of on for 10 secs, off for 10 secs
• 1119[05:23:54] <themill> (or some derived distribution)
• 1120[05:24:12] <enthd> even though i have everything i can think set to 'disable screen blank'
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• 1122[05:24:30] <One_Zero_One> oh okay. Im using backbox. Im at a house with all windows boxes. thanks
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• 1127[05:26:18] <One_Zero_One> lol the OS Im using is based off Ubuntu.
• 1128[05:26:36] <themill> One_Zero_One: this is #debian, btw.
• 1129[05:26:43] <One_Zero_One> the live boot distro that is
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• 1131[05:27:33] <One_Zero_One> yes I know I logged in to see if it was happening on all servers. I think Ill go find another channel. Thanks for the help.
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• 1167[05:50:56] <shibly> I don't see the image/thumbnail icon of a pdf book, i copied the pdf to other folder, there i see the image icon/thumbnail, why?
• 1168[05:51:28] <shibly> How can i see the image/thumbnail of that pdf in /home/shibly ?
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• 1172[05:53:24] <shibly> Can anyone answer?
• 1173[05:54:30] <r6ku> shibly: check your file manager settings
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• 1177[05:56:31] <shibly> r6ku: Can't find anything there? Nautilus
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• 1182[05:59:27] <Rusty1> shibly: what are the paths to the respective folders?
• 1183[05:59:51] <cluelessperson> Can you build debian kernel source from an ubuntu installation?
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• 1188[06:03:29] <p1k> hello
• 1189[06:03:49] <p1k> I'm getting errors when running apt-get update: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1192[06:04:14] <p1k> does anyone know what I should look at for fixing this?
• 1193[06:06:47] <jaggzt> mentor, when finally getting checkinstall to work, it sat for several minutes, after install, building the package
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• 1195[06:07:13] <jaggzt> it turns out the lib folder was hundreds of megs.. .... i've now disabled debug in the initial compile.
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• 1200[06:10:39] <p1k> I'm quite confused why I can't run apt-get update from a clean docker image..
• 1201[06:11:21] <shibly> Rusty1_: /home/shibly/Downloads is ok
• 1202[06:11:29] <shibly> Rusty1_: /home/shibly/ not
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• 1204[06:14:36] <themill> p1k: the most common cause of that issue would be something between you and security.d.o doing some naughty caching and serving you stale content. Which security.d.o mirror is serving you btw?
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• 1208[06:18:43] <Rusty1_> shibly: do other pdf's , not copied (or moved) from the Downloads folder also not have thumbnails?
• 1209[06:21:18] <p1k> themill: deb replaced-url
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• 1214[06:25:02] <p1k> how do I check to which mirror is that being redirected? (Unfamiliar with debian sorry, this is just the official golang docker image)
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• 1216[06:25:03] <themill> !which security.debian.org
• 1217[06:25:04] <dpkg> The security.debian.org servers use GeoDNS to select a close mirror to you. To work out which mirror: curl -o /dev/null -s -w '%{remote_ip}n' replaced-url
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• 1220[06:25:44] * themill fixes the missing \
• 1221[06:26:24] <shibly> Rusty1_: There are no other pdfs in /home/shibly/Downloads/
• 1222[06:27:11] <shibly> Same pdf file, no thumbnail in /home/shibly/ but see thumbnail in /home/shibly/Downloads/
• 1223[06:27:39] <p1k> themill: 133.242.99.74
• 1224[06:27:44] <Rusty1_> shibly: do other pdf's , not copied (or moved) from the Downloads folder to /home/shibly folder also not have thumbnails?
• 1225[06:28:04] <p1k> setoguchi.debian.org
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• 1227[06:28:32] <shibly> Rusty1_: I didn't copy or move pdfs from Downloads.
• 1228[06:28:43] <shibly> Rusty1_: I copied from /home/shibly/
• 1229[06:28:46] <themill> p1k: so the file on the mirror is OK, implying that it is something between you and it
• 1230[06:29:16] <p1k> themill: what kind of something?
• 1231[06:29:52] <Rusty1_> shibly: can you right click the pdf's in the respective folders, properties. permissions and see any difference
• 1232[06:30:34] <themill> p1k: proxy server? wireless sign on page?
• 1233[06:31:12] <shibly> Rusty1_: It looks, same permission.
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• 1235[06:32:29] <p1k> themill: nope
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• 1237[06:34:30] <lichenx1> what is the best way to upgrade to xfce 4.12 on jessie without breaking anything?
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• 1239[06:35:39] <Rusty1_> shibly: if you double click the pdf's from either . do the open in the same app?
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• 1241[06:37:41] <TomTomTosch> , checkbackport xfce4
• 1242[06:37:42] <judd> Backporting package xfce4 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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• 1244[06:37:57] <TomTomTosch> lichenx1 ^ you can backport it.
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• 1246[06:38:39] <TomTomTosch> !tell lichenx1 about ssb
• 1247[06:39:03] <cra1g321> in a encrypted LVM RAID1 setup, is it a good idea to raid1 the /boot partition too ?
• 1248[06:39:22] <p1k> themill: can I force it to use a different server ?
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• 1250[06:40:09] <lichenx1> TomTomTosch, can I pm?
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• 1252[06:40:22] <simonlnu> how nice to ask
• 1253[06:41:35] <TomTomTosch> lichenx1, it's better if you ask here. i am a fool and like to lie.
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• 1255[06:42:32] <lichenx1> maybe i'm thinking this is more complicated but will this work
• 1256[06:42:37] <lichenx1> deb replaced-url
• 1257[06:42:42] <lichenx1> and just find the xfce I need
• 1258[06:43:25] <TomTomTosch> xfce4 is not in jessie backports. you have to backport it yourself.
• 1259[06:43:29] <themill> p1k: There's nothing wrong with the files on the server so if that does work, then it's purely by accident. You could force a different IP for security.d.o using /etc/hosts (make sure you document what you've done....)
• 1260[06:45:35] <TomTomTosch> lichenx1, so no, it will not work.
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• 1262[06:46:16] <lichenx1> gotcha thanks, I may hold off then.. not sure
• 1263[06:46:25] <lichenx1> everything is running great so I don't want to mess it up
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• 1267[06:49:39] <TomTomTosch> lichenx1, the bot gave you info on how to backport packages from sid and stretch. but personally i think it's better to stick to the packages in stable.
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• 1269[06:50:09] <lichenx1> my last problem is I think i'm using lightdm, I can't change the login screen to colemak, it has a KB setting but it's only qwerty.. anyone know?
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• 1271[06:50:50] <lichenx1> TomTomTosch, Yeah I'll probably do that for now, the reason for the change isn't big enough for the problems it might cause
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• 1279[06:59:20] <jiuser17> is there a great difference in encrypting my systems harddisk either with luks/dmcrypt or with encrypted lvm ? any advantages / disadvantages?
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• 1281[07:00:07] <somiaj> jiuser17: do you want to use lvm and its features?
• 1282[07:00:30] <jiuser17> just want to use full encryption.
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• 1285[07:00:41] <jiuser17> dont need any further features
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• 1287[07:01:27] <somiaj> If you don't need lvm I wouldn't use it. But i'm unsure on any differences.
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• 1290[07:02:36] <jiuser17> ok. thanks for the hint somiaj
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• 1296[07:05:44] <mikedh> is there a benefit of using dmcrypt over ecryptfs? I used this: replaced-url
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• 1298[07:06:32] <jiuser17> I always would use dmcrypt instead of ecryptfs..
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• 1302[07:09:48] <mikedh> why's that? my goal was to have my files unreadable if my laptop is stolen. will both work for that?
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• 1307[07:11:52] <jiuser17> dmcrypt encrypts whole harddisk. I also find that ecryptfs is little bit slower. And e responds to your user accounts password.. d has an own special pw
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• 1311[07:12:33] <jiuser17> you also can better and easier access you d encrypted partition from e.g. a live medium (cd/stick)... so to say from extern.. just click on it..
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• 1369[08:00:12] <bluefive> If I use my old SSD in a new computer identical to the last one, will the BIOS settings be the same as the old one or will the SSD not effect them? It has the OS installed and everything all configured.
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• 1378[08:07:31] <somiaj> bluefive: you may have to modify the bios settings.
• 1379[08:07:40] <somiaj> they are not stored on the harddrive
• 1380[08:07:50] <bluefive> Thanks for answering.
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• 1390[08:13:22] <oskie> anyone have any idea why SATA bus resets keep occurring a couple of times per day, especially under heavy IO load?
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• 1420[08:42:14] <somiaj> oskie: could be bad hardware, I had a drive that caused my sata bus to do that.
• 1421[08:42:37] <somiaj> oskie: could also just be a cable
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• 1423[08:45:23] <oskie> hopefully the latter, because i'm seeing it with different HDD brands (and brand new drives)
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• 1431[08:54:05] <omid8bimo> anyone here has installed Debian on latest 2015 Macbook pro 13inch? I planning on buying one but my concern is running Debian smooethly with Awesome window manager.
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• 1445[09:04:27] <austeregrim> omid8bimo, I have a macbook air 13 inch 2015
• 1446[09:04:44] <austeregrim> It shouldn't be too hard to install debian... have you used a mac before?
• 1447[09:05:29] <omid8bimo> austeregrim: nope. never had one. always has Dell laptops. Everything work on your machine? what max resolution you get on this retina device?
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• 1450[09:05:48] <austeregrim> omid8bimo, mine isn't retna...
• 1451[09:06:27] <austeregrim> omid8bimo, you may like having osx as your normal desktop, since it has an X server, and a terminal
• 1452[09:06:43] <austeregrim> and keep debian for servers or other devices. that's just my opinion
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• 1455[09:07:18] <omid8bimo> austeregrim: well, not a fan of OSX at all; looking forward to install my pure Debian Linux with just a simple winodw manager
• 1456[09:07:47] <omid8bimo> i know the argument that people buy mac for its OS as well as its hardware
• 1457[09:07:56] <austeregrim> I thought that too before I bought this macbook air
• 1458[09:08:06] <omid8bimo> but mostly im looking forward to its hardware and cool design
• 1459[09:08:33] <omid8bimo> can i dual boot it thought?
• 1460[09:08:34] <austeregrim> well I particularly like the kde desktop
• 1461[09:08:40] <austeregrim> yeah dual boot is possible
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• 1463[09:09:26] <TomTomTosch> maybe not the best choice for running linux. also terrible price/performance.
• 1464[09:09:40] <austeregrim> installing windows is kind of difficult, but linux is easy... resize the partition in osx's disk manager... pop in your debian disk, and install to the available partition
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• 1470[09:10:13] <austeregrim> TomTomTosch, I'd agree with price/performance... but I have to say, my mac is by far my most favorite laptop
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• 1472[09:10:29] <austeregrim> and I've used a lot of laptops
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• 1475[09:11:09] <TomTomTosch> and you need shitty proprietary drivers.
• 1476[09:11:17] <omid8bimo> TomTomTosch: could you elaborate please? it costs same as my other options. and pefromance-wise, sounds good in every document
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• 1478[09:11:55] <austeregrim> TomTomTosch, propriertary drivers for linux?
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• 1481[09:13:03] <austeregrim> omid8bimo, TomTomTosch is right, price is bad for macbooks.... don't know about the drivers issues... I haven't installed linux on this thing, I've ran a live cd.
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• 1483[09:13:33] <austeregrim> but again, I don't ever need linux on this macbook
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• 1486[09:13:48] <omid8bimo> austeregrim: you mean its more expensive?
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• 1488[09:14:19] <omid8bimo> my other options are Razor Blade, Dell XPS 13 2015 and Lenovo X1 Carbon.
• 1489[09:14:28] <austeregrim> omid8bimo, for the hardware... yeah it's more expensive.. but if price isn't an issue.. I'd go with the macbook.
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• 1495[09:15:09] <omid8bimo> austeregrim: okay fair enought. between these options i just mentioned; which one you guys think are better?
• 1496[09:15:27] <omid8bimo> of course, keeping in mind running Linux for sure.
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• 1498[09:16:04] <austeregrim> for the lenovo, if you can actually get one in your hands, I have a lenovo for work, not a carbon but I've heard it has similar issue with just a bad trackpad
• 1499[09:16:12] <austeregrim> I love lenovo's also
• 1500[09:16:40] <TheNH813> I have a question regarding corrupt package downloads.
• 1501[09:16:44] <austeregrim> don't know the razor blade... Dell XPS is just a computer
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• 1503[09:17:39] <TheNH813> There's about a 1/10 chance whenever I use apt-get that it'l return a error complaining of a corrupt package.
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• 1506[09:18:05] <omid8bimo> austeregrim: all right. thanks for your insights dude :)
• 1507[09:18:06] <TheNH813> Trying to do a update of over 1000 packages, at least 50-80 of them failed.
• 1508[09:18:24] <TheNH813> IF I download the .deb files with firefox first, it has no problems.
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• 1510[09:18:40] <austeregrim> omid8bimo, oh yes I have had a carbon in my hands, it's ok... it's on par (meh) with the dell xps.
• 1511[09:18:44] <TheNH813> Something is wrong with whatever method apt-get uses to download files.
• 1512[09:18:50] <TomTomTosch> TheNH813, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net please.
• 1513[09:19:03] <TheNH813> Will od
• 1514[09:19:07] <TheNH813> *do
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• 1519[09:20:40] <omid8bimo> austeregrim: ohom. looks like a hard choice to find a good, light, slim laptop with good hardware and design that i can use for java programming on linux!
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• 1521[09:20:55] <nicu`> omid check fujitsu
• 1522[09:21:13] <TheNH813> replaced-url
• 1523[09:21:54] <austeregrim> omid8bimo, I like the macbook, I like the lenovo, the razor looks nice. Dell would probably be better from a warranty standpoint?
• 1524[09:22:00] <omid8bimo> nicu`: too bulky
• 1525[09:22:15] <TomTomTosch> TheNH813, if you had testing and unstable enabled at some point you have a porblemm.
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• 1527[09:22:22] <nicu`> maybe chromebooks?
• 1528[09:22:28] <TheNH813> I'm trying to bring an old install of a custom OS a made a few years ago up to date.
• 1529[09:22:40] <TheNH813> @TomTomTosch
• 1530[09:22:47] <TomTomTosch> TheNH813, that's why apt can't resolve your packages.
• 1531[09:22:50] <omid8bimo> nicu`: actually i love Google Chromebook pixel which its possible to install Linux on it.
• 1532[09:22:59] <TomTomTosch> !tell TheNH813 about Frankendebian
• 1533[09:23:00] <nicu`> omid8bimo: good
• 1534[09:23:14] <jushur> take a look at system76 laptops to.
• 1535[09:23:44] <nicu`> jushur, +1
• 1536[09:23:58] <omid8bimo> jushur system76? never heard of it. how good is it?
• 1537[09:24:24] <nicu`> it's alienware for linux
• 1538[09:24:31] <TheNH813> TomTomTosch Ah, I see. I though back then if I simply put "stable" as the sources it would work good later on. Guess That's a fail.
• 1539[09:24:39] <omid8bimo> nicu`: really?!! that would be cool
• 1540[09:24:48] <nicu`> omid8bimo, ya
• 1541[09:24:51] <nicu`> rly
• 1542[09:25:13] <TheNH813> System76? They have some nice looking laptops, that for sure.
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• 1544[09:25:55] <TheNH813> @TomTomTusch Should I just grab myself a list of installed stuff and remake it from the beginning again?
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• 1546[09:26:20] <TomTomTosch> TheNH813, i would do so, yes. there is no easy way of fixing this.
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• 1549[09:27:05] <TheNH813> Mkay. Thanks for the help. Well, I'l do that int he morning. 2:26 AM is way too late for me right now. XD
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• 1551[09:27:11] <TomTomTosch> TheNH813, next time if you want to install something from stretch or sid you should try to build it from source.
• 1552[09:27:18] <TomTomTosch> !tell TheNH813 about ssb
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• 1556[09:27:55] <TomTomTosch> TheNH813, but it's only possible in cases where the dependencies are satisfied.
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• 1559[09:28:52] <austeregrim> what have you done jushur???! I'm considering buying one of these.
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• 1563[09:29:13] <hiya> how many logins does PAM auth by debian allows / user?
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• 1566[09:29:44] <jushur> austeregrim: :D
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• 1616[09:59:15] <cluelessperson> I attempted to compile the debian kernel from ubuntu
• 1617[09:59:17] <cluelessperson> is that possible?
• 1618[09:59:26] <cluelessperson> or do you have to compile it from within a debian environment?
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• 1621[10:00:53] <Azrael_-> cluelessperson: i think nothing is impossible, but probably not that easy.
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• 1623[10:03:04] <cluelessperson> Azrael_-, I see. the compiling seemed fairly smooth until it found /boot was missing, I think.
• 1624[10:03:25] <cluelessperson> Azrael_-, is it kosher to do a debootstrap with change root to compile debian within that?
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• 1626[10:04:04] <Azrael_-> sounds like a usable option, but no idea how good/bad that is
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• 1635[10:06:11] <Azrael_-> i'd suggest setting up a /boot within the chroot so the scripts match what they expect
• 1636[10:06:32] <kassa> Can I install Debian 8 on sda and CentOS on sdb or would there be problems when booting?
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• 1640[10:07:16] <Azrael_-> kassa: you just have to set up the boot-loader properly, but then it is possible
• 1641[10:08:07] <digidog> jbitdrop: 2 your question from yesterday, try this with sh nameoffile.run -> replaced-url
• 1642[10:08:24] <jbitdrop> digidog: thank you
• 1643[10:08:35] <digidog> np
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• 1720[10:46:24] <asding> hi guys I installed the arduino ide and now I noticed that a new group called "dialout" has been created and my user "asd" is in dialout but there is not the group called "asd" anymore! How to solve this issue? Also all the folders of the system now have "asd:dialout" as permissions... strange issue :/
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• 1725[10:48:03] <asding> ehm ok, I think that usermod -g asd asd solves...
• 1726[10:48:47] <jmd> After upgrading to Jessie, all my web pages are broken. Is there an easy way to fix them or must I do it all manually?
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• 1734[10:50:53] <TomTomTosch> jmd, wheezy->jessie is an upgrade from apache 2.2 to 2.4. you should always read the release notes first. replaced-url
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• 1736[10:51:21] <jelly-home> asding: btw, dialout is a standard system group that ought to exist by default
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• 1739[10:51:57] <jelly-home> asding: it's used to access serial ports.
• 1740[10:52:14] <asding> jelly-home, yeah ok, but I dunno why that switch happened, now I think I've fixed. Yeah it's for accessing the arduino. I think I just need to add "asd" to dialout
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• 1743[10:53:55] <TomTomTosch> it should not have changed permissions in your system though. how did you install the arduino ide?
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• 1749[10:56:09] <irc-ape> bad uncle is inserting his penis into 10 year old girl's vagina causing her to moan in agony because they both are niggers
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• 1751[10:56:44] <irc-ape> ferf df dfd bad uncle is inserting his penis into 10 year old girl's vagina causing her to moan in agony because they both are niggersbad uncle is inserting his penis into 10 year old girl's vagina causing her to moan in agony because they both are niggers
• 1752[10:56:50] <irc-ape> gh hj bad uncle is inserting his penis into 10 year old girl's vagina causing her to moan in agony because they both are niggers
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• 1756[10:58:22] <irc-ape> gh hj bad uncle is inserting his penis into 10 year old girl's vagina causing her to moan in agony because they both are niggers
• 1757[10:58:42] <asding> TomTomTosch, this is the strange stuffs :/
• 1758[10:59:14] <asding> TomTomTosch, not permissions, it looks like it switched the user group
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• 1760[10:59:37] <Skyrider> Any operator here can ban irc-ape?
• 1761[10:59:44] <irc-ape> bad uncle is inserting his penis into 10 year old girl's vagina causing her to moan in agony because they both are niggers
• 1762[10:59:44] <Skyrider> He's been banned @ ubuntu as well.
• 1763[11:00:03] <TomTomTosch> !ops spamming irc-ape
• 1764[11:00:04] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch complains about: spamming irc-ape
• 1765[11:00:16] <irc-ape> BURN ALL JEWS IN OVEN
• 1766[11:00:34] <TomTomTosch> asding, so how did you install it? :D
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• 1768[11:01:15] <TomTomTosch> asding, did you install the debian package or get it from somewhere else?
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• 1770[11:01:28] <asding> TomTomTosch, ahah that's and interesting question... probably grabbed the .deb from arduino.cc
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• 1774[11:02:15] <irc-ape> bad uncle is inserting his penis into 10 year old girl's vagina causing her to moan in agony because they both are niggers
• 1775[11:02:21] <irc-ape> BURN ALL JEWS IN GAS OVEN
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• 1777[11:02:40] <TomTomTosch> asding, next time you should probably check if debian provides a package and install with apt ;D
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• 1779[11:02:55] <asding> TomTomTosch, yeah my fault, I did it now :/
• 1780[11:03:02] <asding> thanks
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• 1791[11:07:01] <TomTomTosch> asding, it's also possible to dodge the whole arduino stuff and compile your code with gcc and flash the MCU memory. it's rather neat and not that hard if you are interested. that's offtopic though :S
• 1792[11:07:28] <asding> TomTomTosch, yeah I imagine. I will check it out :)
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• 1794[11:07:51] <TomTomTosch> asding, have fun. it's avr and arv-gcc for the atmel chips.
• 1795[11:08:00] <asding> TomTomTosch, k thx :)
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• 1816[11:30:17] <SPF> hmm, strange, after I used an usb stick for booting debian, in windows it's not possible to reuse the usb stick, instead you have to use the program diskpart and do a clean
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• 1821[11:31:12] <DebTest4> Hello, i have an iptables config based also on ipset. Normally i use iptables-peristent package and put my rules in rules.v4 file ..
• 1822[11:31:19] <DebTest4> But.. it fails loading because i have no ipset config ready at startup, wich is the best practice to load both ipset and iptables configs at runtime ?
• 1823[11:31:19] <Lowl3v3l> SPF, not strange, windows got big problems with nearly all standard-filesystems
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• 1825[11:32:05] <SPF> Lowl3v3l: yes I noticed, and I'm glad I found a workaround without using 3rd party software
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• 1836[11:38:34] <HelloAtMega> anyone here?
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• 1838[11:38:47] <HelloAtMega> I need to run fschk on my main hard drive
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• 1840[11:39:02] <HelloAtMega> where /home and all main folders are mounted
• 1841[11:39:07] <HelloAtMega> how can I do it?
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• 1849[11:41:01] <asding> TomTomTosch, mmm but now every folder/file I create it's automatically set the permission to "dialout"
• 1850[11:41:04] <markybob> HelloAtMega: you probably want to boot with a livecd and then just fsck /dev/sdX
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• 1852[11:41:23] <asding> TomTomTosch, if I check the groups of my user "asd" there is not the group "asd"
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• 1869[11:47:20] <TomTomTosch> asding, is the asd group gone from /etc/group ?
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• 1872[11:47:41] <TomTomTosch> asding, and i don't know why the primary group of your user changed.
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• 1874[11:48:10] <asding> no still there asd:x:1000:<nothing_here>
• 1875[11:48:19] <asding> i believe I should re-add asd to asd
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• 1877[11:48:58] <vovcia> Hi o/ i have problem with debian stable on cubietruck kernel 3.4.79-sun7i - i put udev on hold (because couldnt upgrade - missing features in kernel) and after apt-get -f install, systemd was uninstalled .......
• 1878[11:49:07] <HelloAtMega> ok markybob
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• 1880[11:49:23] <TomTomTosch> asding, you can do that with usermod -g. but i don't know what damage it has done to your system.
• 1881[11:49:28] <vovcia> how can I install it now? systemd : Depends: udev (>= 208-8) but 175-7.2 is to be installed
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• 1883[11:50:33] <asding> TomTomTosch, so you mean usermod -g asd asd?
• 1884[11:50:52] <TomTomTosch> asding, yes, and probably relog.
• 1885[11:51:07] <asding> TomTomTosch, ok will try that! thx
• 1886[11:51:15] <TomTomTosch> asding, good luck.
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• 1892[11:52:53] <asding> TomTomTosch, ok now it's solved. Thanks!
• 1893[11:53:08] <markybob> vovcia: that's in wheezy, not jessie.
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• 1895[11:54:08] <vovcia> markybob: debian_version is 8.3
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• 1898[11:54:24] <markybob> vovcia: replaced-url
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• 1900[11:54:31] <markybob> you fucked something up
• 1901[11:54:52] <markybob> probably that silly kernel was the start
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• 1903[11:55:18] <vovcia> i cant upgrade this kernel
• 1904[11:55:28] <vovcia> this is cubietruck device (ARMv7)
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• 1907[11:55:49] <vovcia> 3.4.79 is the last version in debian that works with wifi and bluetooth
• 1908[11:55:57] <TomTomTosch> mh, allwinner needs the shitty proprietary kernel.
• 1909[11:56:02] <markybob> i'm not saying that's all you did. but udev 175-7.2 is wheezy. that's a fact
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• 1913[11:56:42] <vovcia> markybob: ok i tried unholding udev and it doesnt install - error message Since release 198, udev requires support for the following features in....
• 1914[11:57:02] <vovcia> so udev 215 doesnt install
• 1915[11:57:10] <markybob> that sucks
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• 1918[11:57:21] <vovcia> my current version of udev is 175; this sucks much
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• 1920[11:57:43] <vovcia> i need to install systemd that was accidentally uninstalled
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• 1929[11:59:55] <TomTomTosch> did you use the normal debian installer?
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• 1931[12:00:14] <drmagoo> Hi Can anyone here recommend a good UI for iptables ? My ruleset is getting rather complex, and I'd like something graphical to manage it with...
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• 1935[12:03:00] <vovcia> TomTomTosch: i used some preinstalled image
• 1936[12:03:09] <vovcia> drmagoo: shorewall & shorewall6
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• 1940[12:04:50] <TomTomTosch> vovcia, your preinstalled image is broken then ;D
• 1941[12:05:36] <vovcia> TomTomTosch: ok but how to fix it ;)
• 1942[12:05:39] <drmagoo> vovcia: Thanx, I'll have a look at that =)
• 1943[12:05:49] <TomTomTosch> vovcia, the debian installer should work out of the box.
• 1944[12:05:51] <vovcia> im trying with pinning specific version of systemd but it doesnt work
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• 1946[12:06:24] <vovcia> TomTomTosch: i dont want to reinstall this box another time ;]
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• 1948[12:06:37] <vovcia> i already have gentoo on sdd with another versions of software
• 1949[12:06:41] <vovcia> *on SSD
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• 1951[12:06:59] <vovcia> debian is for wifi & bluetooth;)
• 1952[12:07:05] <TomTomTosch> if you used apt-pinning before then it's probably how you lost compatibility of your packages.
• 1953[12:07:13] <vovcia> no i didnt
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• 1955[12:07:42] <vovcia> i broke system by echo "udev hold" | dpkg --set-selections and apt-get -f install
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• 1957[12:08:03] <vovcia> it uninstalled systemd without asking
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• 1967[12:10:37] <at0m> "apt-get -f install" doesn't ask you to review the changes it will apply?
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• 1969[12:10:45] <at0m> ew
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• 1972[12:11:52] <vovcia> i can swear there wasnt -y on the line
• 1973[12:12:07] <jsonlee> i can't remember how i fixed that but now again flash is broken in my firefox browser. generally it fails to load libpepflashplayer.so in folders where the it will search.
• 1974[12:12:29] <jsonlee> my debian is 32bit so no chrome 32 bit now.
• 1975[12:12:38] <jsonlee> where can i get libpepflashplayer.so file?
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• 1979[12:15:21] <TomTomTosch> jsonlee, replaced-url
• 1980[12:15:42] <TomTomTosch> jsonlee, consider the warning though.
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• 1986[12:19:10] <TomTomTosch> jsonlee, browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash is what you need to make it work with firefox / iceweasel. you can find it in jessie-backports.
• 1987[12:20:16] <jsonlee> i've have that installed already.
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• 1989[12:20:32] <jsonlee> apt-get says browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash is already the newest version.
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• 1995[12:23:26] <TomTomTosch> well, you have a browser that is not supported by debian and a flash plugin that is not supported by debian. i have no idea why things don't work :P
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• 1999[12:23:51] <TomTomTosch> if i were you i would pick iceweasel and a free flash plugin.
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• 2002[12:25:50] <vovcia> systemd : Depends: libaudit0 (>= 1.7.13) but it is not installable this is crazy
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• 2004[12:26:36] <vovcia> maybe install sysvinit will work?
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• 2007[12:27:06] <TomTomTosch> vovcia, aptitude why-not libaudit0
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• 2011[12:28:07] <vovcia> because it will uninstall login and other essential packages, thats why not :)
• 2012[12:28:07] <TomTomTosch> or use sysvinit, but your system is still broken and you will have a bad time.
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• 2014[12:28:33] <vovcia> im going with sysv-rc
• 2015[12:28:37] <TomTomTosch> vovcia, that was a command not a question. you can use that to try to fix your problem :P
• 2016[12:28:40] <vovcia> reboot and pray
• 2017[12:28:52] <vovcia> ohhh :P
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• 2022[12:29:40] <vovcia> i libaudit-common Breaks libaudit0
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• 2045[12:36:58] <TomTomTosch> that's still a wheezy thing not jessie.
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• 2047[12:37:33] <TomTomTosch> jessie's systemd does not depend on libaudit0
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• 2049[12:38:05] <TomTomTosch> your system is a mess and i will not be able to help you. sorry.
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• 2051[12:39:29] <TomTomTosch> and btw, the command you did earlier is not what caused this mess.
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• 2058[12:41:35] <vovcia> ittomsorry im not making myself clear
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• 2060[12:42:04] <vovcia> TomTomTosch: this is version that im trying to install, from wheezy-backports
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• 2064[12:42:43] <TomTomTosch> vovcia, you said you are on 8.3 earlier.
• 2065[12:42:46] <vovcia> and because its from wheezy it tries to install libaudit0 and break my system
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• 2068[12:43:01] <vovcia> if i try to instlal systemd from my current version 8.3
• 2069[12:43:11] <TomTomTosch> vovcia, you can't install stuff from wheezy-backports on jessie.
• 2070[12:43:14] <vovcia> i cant, because it needs upgrade of udev which is not possible due toold kernel
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• 2077[12:45:08] <vovcia> TomTomTosch: i thought maybe systemd 204 will work with my system but not, actually i havent installed any packages from other versions
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• 2081[12:46:18] <vovcia> ooo i see the problem TomTomTosch You was right distro is fubar deb replaced-url
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• 2083[12:46:29] <vovcia> and deb replaced-url
• 2084[12:46:56] <vovcia> stable is jessie so thats the source of mess
• 2085[12:47:08] <TomTomTosch> yep
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• 2088[12:48:16] <TomTomTosch> so new install after all :P
• 2089[12:48:25] <vovcia> i always knew - "stable" in source.list is ticking bomb xDDD
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• 2091[12:48:47] <TomTomTosch> yep, it's not the smartest thing.
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• 2095[12:50:23] <TomTomTosch> the only thing where this nomenclature works is testing and unstable.
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• 2102[12:52:31] <vovcia> ok so it seems i will finish my work on this box while its still running and reinstall via FEL then
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• 2104[12:52:48] <TomTomTosch> good luck :)
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• 2111[12:55:49] <shtrb> can anyone assit with a udev rule for ACM device ?
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• 2113[12:56:19] <karlpinc> !tell shtrb about anyone
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• 2116[12:56:45] <shtrb> I tried SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="490154203237518", KERNEL=="ttyACM*", NAME="nokia-0" in /etc/udev.d/92-123.rule but it seems udev didn't create a device with that name
• 2117[12:57:16] <Cloudwalker42> hey
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• 2121[12:58:55] <shtrb> karlpinc ,by any chance do you poses an idea about correctly writing udev rules for ACM devices ?
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• 2135[13:05:10] <karlpinc> shtrb: Udev only creates symlinks. The kernel creates devices (in /sys iirc, could be wrong.)
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• 2138[13:05:46] <shtrb> yes I know , and I'm having trouble telling it on debian how to correctly create a link
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• 2141[13:06:33] <donguston> "Since DebianEtch, Debian only provides the free fork of Firefox, named Iceweasel."
• 2142[13:06:34] <shtrb> here is a paste replaced-url
• 2143[13:06:40] <donguston> is ther a way to turn off this bullshit?
• 2144[13:07:00] <donguston> i really really dont care about this whole free software thing - I just want linux to not be a hastle to use
• 2145[13:07:20] <vovcia> donguston: use Ubuntu
• 2146[13:07:20] <shtrb> donguston , is there a reason why you wish to switch out of debian patched firefox ?
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• 2148[13:07:52] <shtrb> donguston , the rename was related to mozilla licensing issues
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• 2151[13:08:26] <TomTomTosch> donguston, iceweasel is firefox without branding. no hustle involved.
• 2152[13:08:29] <karlpinc> donguston: So, iceweasel is firefox. Only with another name.
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• 2155[13:08:39] <shtrb> donguston , for all in all they should be interchangeable (just branding and debian's patches)
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• 2157[13:08:45] <sypher> donguston: Love the attitude when asking for help, by the way.
• 2158[13:09:01] <shtrb> karlpinc , iceweasel have debians specific patches ...
• 2159[13:09:11] <donguston> karlpinc, why call it someting else if its the same?
• 2160[13:09:18] <donguston> just put the real thing there
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• 2162[13:09:34] <shtrb> donguston , because mozilla forbid to add security patches
• 2163[13:09:42] <karlpinc> donguston: That'd be what people call "illegal".
• 2164[13:09:45] <teraflops> donguston: if you want to be hastle free don't use ff because ff is the utter shit (imho)
• 2165[13:09:48] <shtrb> and trademark issues
• 2166[13:09:51] <sypher> donguston: Because Mozilla owns the rights to the name, and Debian doesn't feel like messing with trademarks. Also, if you use the Firefox branding, you can't modify/patch it.
• 2167[13:10:03] <karlpinc> donguston: Or, what people call "insecure". You can choose either.
• 2168[13:10:18] <shtrb> teraflops , could you share a good alternative ?
• 2169[13:10:38] <teraflops> Chromium
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• 2171[13:11:17] <shtrb> teraflops , why do you consider it better ?
• 2172[13:11:27] <shtrb> teraflops (other than it is not firefox)
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• 2174[13:11:45] <r6ku> hardware acceleration actually works?
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• 2176[13:11:53] <teraflops> Saner. And way more secure
• 2177[13:12:20] <shtrb> teraflops , how is it more secure ?
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• 2182[13:12:43] <teraflops> shtrb: take a look at the cves
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• 2186[13:14:02] <shtrb> teraflops , I belive that lack of reported CVE (or a different value) does not mean more secure or less secure (that is closer to FUD then to real meteric by my standard)
• 2187[13:14:20] <teraflops> shtrb: lol
• 2188[13:14:25] <shtrb> teraflops , but actually how fast it can be fixed
• 2189[13:14:37] <shtrb> teraflops , why is that funny ?
• 2190[13:14:46] <sypher> It's more secure because vulnerabilities haven't been found? I'm sure someone said that about OpenSSL, once.
• 2191[13:15:03] <shtrb> sypher , that is kinda my point
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• 2193[13:15:59] <teraflops> No. It's saner and more secure if you take historical series of cves by their amount and severity
• 2194[13:16:27] <sypher> See also OpenSSL pre Heartbleed.
• 2195[13:16:54] <karlpinc> #debian-offtopic?
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• 2198[13:17:13] <sypher> karlpinc: Valid.
• 2199[13:17:13] <shtrb> teraflops , should I remind you that chromium is a spin off from a US based product ?
• 2200[13:17:31] <teraflops> shtrb: let me.lol again
• 2201[13:17:49] <jelly-home> yes, "whether iceweasel is more, less or as secure as firefox" isn't quite a support issue
• 2202[13:17:57] <teraflops> Anyways I'm out of this flame
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• 2204[13:18:01] <sypher> teraflops: We thank you for your generous contribution. I'm sure your 'lol' will be put to good use in so many ways.
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• 2206[13:18:14] <teraflops> sypher: whatever
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• 2208[13:18:47] <jelly-home> both of you please cut down on the retorts, and keep it to tech support
• 2209[13:18:57] <teraflops> Roger
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• 2211[13:19:51] * shtrb sounds like a mozilla fan boy , while in fact believing the product does not fulfill a good security to the user
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• 2214[13:21:04] <shtrb> anyone about the udev question ?
• 2215[13:21:08] <likecolacola> I wonder if it's possible to completely rename a linux user...
• 2216[13:21:27] <sypher> likecolacola: Yes, it is.
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• 2219[13:22:51] <teraflops> likecolacola: that sounds like a xy. It is possible but does it worth the effort?
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• 2223[13:24:14] <likecolacola> oh, I just tried and failed.. :P, i managed to change the name, group, homedirectory all with usermod, then I had to change the display name in the screen login page, the name on top right of the desktop
• 2224[13:24:33] <likecolacola> just to realize that I didn't had netbeans on the applications menu anymore :P
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• 2227[13:25:34] <grafos> hey
• 2228[13:26:09] <grafos> so i really like dash, but why not add editline() and a POSIX echo
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• 2230[13:26:40] <grafos> then it's like the perfect package for embedded people to use as shell, in lieu of limiting busybox builds against ancient RPC libraries
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• 2232[13:27:01] <grafos> anyway just my thoughts, hope some devs are watching. sry for spam
• 2233[13:27:12] <grafos> add a build time option for it maybe
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• 2241[13:28:33] <jelly-home> likecolacola: finding all the references to previously used username in system configs and volatile data is left as an exercise for the reader?
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• 2243[13:28:53] <jelly-home> (volatile data like login manager's cache of existing users, maybe)
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• 2247[13:31:20] <shtrb> likecolacola , have you tried doing login with the new user and checking the errors that netbeans spat ?
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• 2259[13:37:18] <likecolacola> jelly: shtrb oh guys sorry
• 2260[13:37:33] <shtrb> likecolacola , why ?
• 2261[13:37:52] <shtrb> likecolacola , you forgot to do a login ?
• 2262[13:38:05] <likecolacola> hehehe no
• 2263[13:38:24] <shtrb> so ?
• 2264[13:39:10] <likecolacola> the system this user is in belongs to a virtual machine that wasn't made by me plus I didn't export/import it as a vdo the first time
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• 2266[13:39:24] <likecolacola> I repeated the process using a vdo import and now it's all working
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• 2271[13:40:36] <likecolacola> I don't really know what did went wrong because I did not do the export, all I had was the .vdi and now the .ova
• 2272[13:40:54] <likecolacola> sorry for spaming and making people lose their time :P
• 2273[13:41:15] <likecolacola> oh, and for my horrible English
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• 2278[13:42:48] <likecolacola> groupadd foo usermod usermod --move-home --login jegire --gid jegire --home /home/jegire maarga
• 2279[13:42:54] <likecolacola> that's all I needed
• 2280[13:43:06] <likecolacola> replace foo with jegire
• 2281[13:43:25] <likecolacola> + sudo while having no current processes belonging to maarga
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• 2319[14:11:56] <dedgecumbe> hello; I've just discovered 'apt' (after wondering why Termux uses it). is there some reason that it's a seperate tool and not just built into apt-get? backwards compatibility with scripts I guess? it's great
• 2320[14:12:22] <dedgecumbe> (e.g. stuff like the progress bar)
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• 2328[14:15:58] <jelly> dedgecumbe: it's not backward incompatible.
• 2329[14:16:06] <jelly> it's not backward compatible*
• 2330[14:16:18] <themill> dedgecumbe: apt, apt-get and apt-cache all just wrap around libapt.
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• 2335[14:17:43] <jelly> you'd probably have to say that synaptic and aptitude "just" wrap around libapt, too, then
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• 2337[14:18:23] <dedgecumbe> i guess what I'm trying to get at is that I think it's a shame that the only way I discovered 'apt' was when using a system that had apt-get disabled
• 2338[14:19:23] <dedgecumbe> aptitude and synaptic feel sufficiently different that they're not really drop in replacements, apt feels like a full replacement for apt-get, is there some plan to deprecate apt-get? am i missing some functionality that only it exposes? :)
• 2339[14:19:28] <themill> well aptitude reimplements a stack of what is in libapt with its own exciting algorithms
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• 2341[14:19:55] <themill> dedgecumbe: apt is not backwards compatible with apt-get and does not have a stable interface.
• 2342[14:20:45] <dedgecumbe> hadn't realised the latter, that makes sense.
• 2343[14:21:08] <themill> try using apt without a tty attached or from a script and it will tell you
• 2344[14:21:08] <dedgecumbe> (I don't use debian often, hence me only just discovering that apt is a thing. :P)
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• 2346[14:21:21] <jelly> dedgecumbe: there's lots of new stuff documented in debian 8 release notes (and in each release's notes really)
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• 2348[14:21:32] <jelly> !jessie release notes
• 2349[14:21:32] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at replaced-url
• 2350[14:21:58] <jelly> "apt" command line is a recent addition
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• 2354[14:24:50] <jelly> /usr/bin/apt is still missing a lot of functionality, "apt-get download" and stuff from apt-cache comes to mind
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• 2358[14:27:16] <themill> I'm not sure that it's "missing" any more than the rm is missing the ability to copy files.
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• 2361[14:27:38] <MaBunny> hey guys i hav installed debian but am having a hell of a time installing any software on it
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• 2363[14:27:50] <squidgirl> Hi..
• 2364[14:27:59] <squidgirl> how is it going?
• 2365[14:28:24] <MaBunny> i hav added "deb hhtp://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main " and "deb ht...../debian sid main" to the sources.list file
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• 2367[14:28:45] <squidgirl> THank you all for this
• 2368[14:28:46] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2369[14:28:48] <themill> MaBunny: we've been through this before. Please put real output in a pastebin.
• 2370[14:28:50] <dedgecumbe> MaBunny: is it wheezy?
• 2371[14:28:52] <squidgirl> Debian rock on HELL YEA
• 2372[14:28:54] <MaBunny> but it still doesnt let me download anything after i hav tried apt-get update
• 2373[14:29:21] <TomTomTosch> themill, i've told them at least twice too.
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• 2375[14:29:29] <themill> ack
• 2376[14:29:32] <MaBunny> i actually want to install codeblocks,vlc and some stuff,but i cant
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• 2378[14:30:14] <MaBunny> i cant put it in pastebin,but now im talking from computer and could i upload the picture to some free site?
• 2379[14:30:39] <MaBunny> i can take a pic of my screen and upload it to any site
• 2380[14:30:52] <themill> MaBunny: why can't you pastebin it?
• 2381[14:31:15] <MaBunny> srry,im having an exam and was not available on my computer b4
• 2382[14:31:39] <MaBunny> i dont hav an account in pastebin,and i hav not tried it ever
• 2383[14:32:04] <MaBunny> can u give me the link of the page in pastebin to upload the file?
• 2384[14:32:23] <MaBunny> i am willing to try,to get things done :)
• 2385[14:32:27] <MaBunny> :)
• 2386[14:32:30] <themill> paste.debian.net ; this hasn't changed in the last week
• 2387[14:32:48] <MaBunny> ok
• 2388[14:33:22] <MaBunny> what do i hav to upload,the whole file?
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• 2395[14:35:43] <TomTomTosch> comes back twice a week with the same problem and the same broken system...
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• 2402[14:40:34] <dedgecumbe> TomTomTosch: lol
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• 2406[14:42:24] <squidgirl> <TomTomTosch> comes back twice a week with the same problem and the same broken system...
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• 2408[14:42:34] <squidgirl> yes yes QA?? no i am a tester
• 2409[14:42:44] <squidgirl> Q.A??B???? ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZ>
• 2410[14:42:49] <squidgirl> ..<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
• 2411[14:43:00] <squidgirl> so well there was once irc and chat
• 2412[14:43:03] <squidgirl> in time and space
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• 2414[14:43:18] <squidgirl> CAN SOME ONE UNDERSTAND IRC?
• 2415[14:43:21] <squidgirl> HELLO..
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• 2417[14:43:29] <squidgirl> i am trying to use IRC/./
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• 2419[14:43:42] <themill> squidgirl: your cat and keyboard seem well connected.
• 2420[14:43:42] <squidgirl> I am pastpinging this!!!!
• 2421[14:43:44] <squidgirl> 1
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• 2423[14:44:06] <squidgirl> themill, Yea i use them for a long time so they get possesed
• 2424[14:44:13] <MaBunny> what is the command of copying from text in nano???
• 2425[14:44:17] <squidgirl> and well its a lovely image so death things...
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• 2427[14:45:56] <MaBunny> guys, im trying to ccopy the contents of the sources.list file but i dont kno the commands of nano
• 2428[14:46:08] <MaBunny> pls tell me
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• 2436[14:48:35] <MaBunny> guys?
• 2437[14:48:45] <dasj19> MaBunny have you tried Ctrl+Shift+C ?
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• 2439[14:49:01] <MaBunny> thnx :)
• 2440[14:49:50] <MaBunny> no it doesnt work
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• 2442[14:50:47] <dasj19> Ctrl+Shift+C works in any terminal that I know of.. what are you trying to do?
• 2443[14:50:59] <towo`> shift + middleclick
• 2444[14:51:12] <towo`> if the text was marked with the mouse
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• 2446[14:51:39] <towo`> but i don't see why to do that
• 2447[14:51:52] <towo`> why not open the sources.list direct with nano?
• 2448[14:52:22] <MaBunny> no,leave it i hav used gedit to copy
• 2449[14:52:54] <towo`> sounds all realy clueless
• 2450[14:53:09] <dasj19> if you can't use the mouse follow this: replaced-url
• 2451[14:53:16] <MaBunny> ok guys heres the link : replaced-url
• 2452[14:53:40] <towo`> o hell
• 2453[14:53:45] <towo`> a frankendebian
• 2454[14:53:48] <themill> MaBunny: what release of Debian do you think you are actually running?
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• 2456[14:54:50] <MaBunny> you will find my sources.list file here
• 2457[14:54:56] <MaBunny> i am having some errors which i pasted here earlier
• 2458[14:54:56] <MaBunny> also the apt-get update command gets me nowhere
• 2459[14:55:01] <MaBunny> themill: Debian 8.3.0
• 2460[14:55:11] <themill> MaBunny: that's not a sources.list for that release
• 2461[14:55:16] <MaBunny> why?
• 2462[14:55:45] <MaBunny> i am not a pro in linux ,so i leave it to you gurus
• 2463[14:55:54] <MaBunny> then what is the sources.list for debian 8.3?
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• 2465[14:56:13] <themill> the same as you've been given every day for the past week :(
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• 2479[15:03:26] <lord_rob> I'm here too Mathisen so how should I fix my ntfs problem with ntfsfix ?
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• 2482[15:03:47] <Mathisen> lord_rob: mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/sda?? /media/windows for example to mount it
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• 2486[15:04:07] <Mathisen> lord_rob: should ignore hibernation
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• 2493[15:07:16] <Mathisen> lord_rob: worked ?
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• 2495[15:08:11] <lord_rob> yes
• 2496[15:08:14] <Mathisen> nice
• 2497[15:08:41] <Mathisen> keep in mind its read only now
• 2498[15:08:49] <lord_rob> and ntfsfix directly ?
• 2499[15:08:54] <lord_rob> sure
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• 2501[15:09:54] <Mathisen> lord_rob: yep
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• 2504[15:10:45] <lord_rob> ok ...
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• 2512[15:13:33] <lord_rob> no it still does not work
• 2513[15:13:44] <Mathisen> lord_rob: what error ?
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• 2516[15:15:09] <lord_rob> replaced-url
• 2517[15:15:55] <cra1g321> lord_rob, windows 10 ?
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• 2519[15:16:12] <Mathisen> hmmm i thought ntfsfix removed the hibernation file
• 2520[15:16:16] <lord_rob> yep
• 2521[15:16:18] <Mathisen> am i wrong here ?
• 2522[15:16:24] <Mathisen> anyone ?
• 2523[15:16:39] <cra1g321> there is some "quick boot" feature that windows 10 has that you need to disable if you want to mount/write to the windows partition
• 2524[15:16:43] <lord_rob> cra1g321: win10 yes
• 2525[15:17:02] <lord_rob> It's disabled already cra1g321
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• 2527[15:17:46] <cra1g321> weird i had same issue and it worked fine for me
• 2528[15:18:29] <cra1g321> did you try this ? "to perform a full shut down, you can press and hold the Shift key while you click the “Shut down” option in Windows. Windows will perform a full shut down when you also hold the Shift button."
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• 2532[15:20:48] <Mathisen> lord_rob: mount -t ntfs-3g -o remove_hiberfile /dev/sd?? /home/???? that should remove the hibernation... but double check with someone if its safe.. i dont know how bad windows takes it on next boot
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• 2540[15:27:12] <sheppyh> arrrgh fml - going to buy a new Graphics card with UEFI because I don't want to patch my kernel for BIOS VGA passthrough. Any reccommendations?
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• 2565[15:43:22] <r00tobo> TomTomTosch, I finally managed to get the cpu module: Intel® Core™ i5-2450M CPU @ 2.50GHz × 4 (sandy bridge)
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• 2594[15:57:23] <AlexPortable> Can I preseed some questions for debian but not all?
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• 2596[15:57:32] <AlexPortable> like keybaord layout and language?
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• 2605[16:00:33] <awal1> A general/basic/curiosity question: why numeric keyboard 'Enter/Return' key works for some applications and not for others when numeric keyboard is locked?
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• 2609[16:02:53] <awal1> In windows machines if numeric keyboard is locked, it's 'enter' touch doesn't work at all, by in my debian that depends on applications...
• 2610[16:03:04] <awal1> but ^
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• 2613[16:03:32] <awal1> it doesn't work almost in ncurses apps
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• 2616[16:04:19] <awal1> ncurses based , i meant
• 2617[16:04:26] <abrotman> are they different keycodes?
• 2618[16:04:46] <awal1> abrotman, havent looked at that
• 2619[16:04:51] <awal1> let me check with xev
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• 2623[16:06:20] <awal1> abrotman, right, different keycodes: normal 'enter' touch= 36 ; numeric one= 104
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• 2625[16:06:43] <abrotman> that'd be my guess, but I can't say for certain
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• 2629[16:07:21] <awal1> of course if numeric keyboard is on, it's 'enter' key works, as expected
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• 2657[16:24:56] <theblackbox> Hello all, I've recently "solved" an issue that has been plaguing my new Debian box and I was wondering if any hardware boffins might be able to shed some light on what might be going wrong. My hardware specs include Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4 3200MHz RAM. Whilst building the system I noticed that the BIOS would only auto config the RAM to 2300MHz (iirc). So I changed this to the manufacturers settings. Many a hard crash and kernel panic
• 2658[16:24:56] <theblackbox> later, I remembered about this and reset the ram to the autoconfig speeds and now my system is stable as a barn door. any ideas? Bad batch of RAM? Known issue with kernel? Debian? just looking to complete my knowledge is all.
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• 2661[16:26:30] <bolt> theblackbox: you can't look just at the auto detected speed. the bios might be detecting the wrong values for the timing values as well, or it might be bumping up other things alongside the ram when up set the speed of that
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• 2666[16:27:31] <bolt> and what's going on with my English today? :/
• 2667[16:27:33] <theblackbox> true, it was a desperate change very late last night so I wasn't paying too close attention
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• 2672[16:28:33] <bolt> theblackbox: well, if you're trying to run the ram at the rated specs, make sure you check that the bios doesn't use too aggressive timings as well. also, check that it doesn't up the speed of any other bus, and that it uses the correct voltage for the ram
• 2673[16:28:46] <theblackbox> it's a pretty freaking good BIOS (since the last time I built a system) so I'm confident I can configure what I need.
• 2674[16:29:08] <theblackbox> sweet, I'll look into that then, cheers bolt
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• 2691[16:35:06] <oem> using apt-cache madison systemd to verify available systemd version: reports multiple, 228-2,228-6.. however, when apt-get install systemd=228-2 reports E: Version '228-2' for 'systemd' was not found
• 2692[16:35:09] <mapm> hello everyone
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• 2694[16:36:06] <oem> this is on 'testing'
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• 2696[16:37:45] <abrotman> oem: apt-cache policy systemd
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• 2699[16:38:45] <mapm> I am trying to install debian in a thinkpad x1 carbon pc, and i am getting a "unknown file system" error with grub. I used unetbootin to flash the file "debian-8.3.0-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso" into a Kingston DataTraveler G4 32GB USB, then tried to boot from that USB
• 2700[16:39:15] <mapm> I do not know how to solve this problem
• 2701[16:39:30] <oem> abrotman: replaced-url
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• 2704[16:40:35] <abrotman> mapm: unetbootin is a pile of crap
• 2705[16:40:36] <mapm> then it enters rescue mode
• 2706[16:40:53] <abrotman> mapm: Which OS are you using to prepare the USB stick?
• 2707[16:41:00] <Mathisen> mapm: try dd instead dd bs=4M if=NAME.iso of=/dev/sd???
• 2708[16:41:02] <mapm> abrotman: Windows 7 pro
• 2709[16:41:13] <cra1g321> use win32diskimager
• 2710[16:41:13] <abrotman> dpkg: tell mapm about win32diskimager
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• 2712[16:41:40] <mapm> ok thanks i'll try that and come back with news
• 2713[16:41:52] <grawity> there's always replaced-url
• 2714[16:42:16] <abrotman> oem: you only have one available via binary packages
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• 2716[16:43:15] <oem> abrotman: true, thanks for pointing it out
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• 2725[16:46:38] <mapm> abrotman, cra1g321 : thank you very much, just using win32diskimager now the installer works
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• 2750[17:00:29] <mapm> while installing debian from usb, it tries to find CD-ROM drives, but the laptop has none, and it seems I can not continue the installation. what could I do now?
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• 2766[17:12:03] <antena-cli> mapm: Try the net install.
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• 2777[17:15:26] <squidgirl> can i talk
• 2778[17:16:04] <Eduard_Munteanu> squidgirl, anybody can talk, if you have a question, ask directly.
• 2779[17:16:17] <squidgirl> so a lot of talk I said in #KDE <squidgirl> <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2780[17:16:28] <squidgirl> _o_
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• 2783[17:17:03] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2784[17:17:29] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2785[17:17:44] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2786[17:17:46] <mapm> antena-cli, ok, thanks, i'll try it
• 2787[17:17:56] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2788[17:18:19] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2789[17:18:23] <squidgirl> THATS ME :)
• 2790[17:18:25] <squidgirl> ji
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• 2798[17:19:54] <mayara> Hi good morning
• 2799[17:20:58] <squidgirl> i have PM
• 2800[17:21:01] <squidgirl> i dont MIND
• 2801[17:21:05] <squidgirl> does not make a sond
• 2802[17:21:07] <squidgirl> sound
• 2803[17:21:27] <squidgirl> Hi i am human like to chat
• 2804[17:21:40] <squidgirl> chat about #kde #debian #dreams pm chat chat :)
• 2805[17:21:55] <squidgirl> or else you get DISTORYNED by some other talk
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• 2807[17:21:58] <balance> hi
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• 2811[17:22:38] <Brigo> !offtopic
• 2812[17:22:38] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 2813[17:23:19] <markybob> squidgirl: this isn't the place
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• 2830[17:28:37] <gamelaster> Hello, Im searching a Debian distro with great looking GUI, but i needed to be fast (not so much, but of course, i dont want a slow GUI :D ), any tips? :-)
• 2831[17:28:39] <gamelaster> Hello, Im searching a Debian distro with great looking GUI, but i needed to be fast (not so much, but of course, i dont want a slow GUI :D ), any tips? :-)
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• 2836[17:30:00] <lhx> what username does nginx run as on stable?
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• 2839[17:30:35] <antena-cli> gamelaster: replaced-url
• 2840[17:30:55] <squidgirl> <markybob> squidgirl: this isn't the place you can MARK BOB in PM this isnt the place for that indirect IN 1 on 1 talk THANK YOU STOP BOB STOP!!!
• 2841[17:31:06] <squidgirl> do you know irc chat?
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• 2843[17:31:33] <squidgirl> thanks for well O a blue in #debian sweet BDYEFBWRUEbyufBGYwEBfuywBWURBf
• 2844[17:31:35] <squidgirl> !@@@@#!#*!@#()*@!&#!(*$^@!23
• 2845[17:31:39] <squidgirl> go to hell BYE
• 2846[17:31:54] <squidgirl> leave us humans alone
• 2847[17:32:07] <squidgirl> we have feelings
• 2848[17:32:22] <squidgirl> :o
• 2849[17:32:34] <squidgirl> hell is sweet also you know...
• 2850[17:32:43] <squidgirl> and will last very long
• 2851[17:32:45] <gamelaster> antena-cli: thanks, yes, this packages i know, but im searching a distros, what have different desktop environment
• 2852[17:33:20] <r6ku> gamelaster: replaced-url
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• 2860[17:35:56] <gamelaster> r6ku: Thanks!
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• 2863[17:36:40] <balance> my user is in the sudo group (at least it says that if I try to add him), if I do sudo apt-get update, I'm prompted for my password but then it says, the user isn't in the sudoers file-but the sudoers file has the line % that all group users are sudoers. how to solve that?
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• 2866[17:37:20] <squidgirl> balance, i know a bit sudo PM?
• 2867[17:37:31] <squidgirl> i mean i have a good example on my pc
• 2868[17:37:35] <balance> squidgirl, PM?
• 2869[17:37:36] <squidgirl> using it a long time
• 2870[17:37:42] <markybob> balance: did you logout and back in?
• 2871[17:37:56] <balance> markybob, :D
• 2872[17:37:56] <squidgirl> ./msg squidgirl grgfejrow with out .
• 2873[17:38:04] <squidgirl> or click my nick
• 2874[17:38:09] <squidgirl> select personal chat
• 2875[17:38:15] <squidgirl> for some good talk
• 2876[17:38:18] <squidgirl> and learning
• 2877[17:38:21] <squidgirl> instread of
• 2878[17:38:24] <squidgirl> READ THIS
• 2879[17:38:33] <squidgirl> perhaps you need some thing elkse or whell
• 2880[17:39:09] <balance> squidgirl, no
• 2881[17:39:11] <balance> thanks
• 2882[17:39:30] <balance> squidgirl, markybob thanks - reloggign solved it :P
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• 2891[17:40:50] <balance> another little question, is there a difference between apt get upgrade and dist-upgrade? - does the former also update all applications while the later only updates the dist?
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• 2896[17:41:18] <TomTomTosch> balance, one way to find out is to read man apt-get :P
• 2897[17:41:23] <markybob> balance: dist-upgrade will add additional packages and remove packages if it has to (made to upgrade releases)
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• 2899[17:41:56] <balance> TomTomTosch, ah yeah sure you are right markybob thanks
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• 2901[17:42:34] <TomTomTosch> balance, i'm not trying to be mean, it's just that the manpages explain it very well.
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• 2905[17:43:33] <r00tobo> TomTomTosch, bro ;)
• 2906[17:43:50] <r00tobo> <r00tobo> TomTomTosch, I finally managed to get the cpu module: Intel® Core™ i5-2450M CPU @ 2.50GHz × 4 (sandy bridge)
• 2907[17:44:01] <balance> TomTomTosch, yeah I "know" - *hug* :P
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• 2910[17:44:30] <TomTomTosch> r00tobo, ah, yes. that's nice. i forgot the context though :P
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• 2912[17:44:41] <r00tobo> my friend went thro the installation very well but when he comes to installing system process just fails
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• 2914[17:45:13] <r00tobo> he can run 32 bit good and the installation always went smoothly, the 64 bit is not o.o
• 2915[17:45:43] <TomTomTosch> ah, i remember now. that cpu is capable of 64 bit though.
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• 2918[17:46:20] <TomTomTosch> r00tobo, but your friend should probably come here, can't do much with so little info :P
• 2919[17:46:22] <r00tobo> yes o.o I asked him to see if he can put jessie-backports in the installation process so he can download a newer kernel
• 2920[17:46:40] <r00tobo> yes ofc. I asked him already, he is lazy XD
• 2921[17:47:07] <TomTomTosch> well, i'm azy too.
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• 2923[17:47:14] <TomTomTosch> *lazy that is.
• 2924[17:47:19] <r00tobo> he installed linuxmint just fine with 64 bit o.o I don't know why Debian just doesn't want to work XD
• 2925[17:47:46] <r00tobo> he prefer using debian, he is seeing linuxmint like too windowsy for him XD
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• 2930[17:49:07] <balance> btw, wtf is squidgirl?
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• 2934[17:49:34] <markybob> just a troll. add it to /ignore
• 2935[17:49:37] <squidgirl> well only lucy and lucifer are 100% fair
• 2936[17:49:44] <squidgirl> I am not lucy ^^
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• 2938[17:49:56] <squidgirl> and markybob goes to hell
• 2939[17:50:03] <squidgirl> satanist
• 2940[17:50:23] <squidgirl> i mean at this is my WORLD
• 2941[17:50:28] <squidgirl> MINE
• 2942[17:50:30] <squidgirl> :)
• 2943[17:50:37] <squidgirl> yea yea
• 2944[17:50:39] <squidgirl> mine
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• 2947[17:51:06] <squidgirl> hi mthecreator what are you doing here?
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• 2949[17:51:23] <squidgirl> iqualfragile things about the same thing
• 2950[17:51:44] <squidgirl> replaced-url
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• 2953[17:52:47] <squidgirl> I give valentt plenty of time
• 2954[17:53:04] <AlexPortable> How do I leave preseed string empty?
• 2955[17:53:17] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2956[17:53:17] <Ticho_> the music is so dramatic one would think Rocky Balboa is training for the match of his life
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• 2958[17:53:24] <iqualfragile> ?
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• 2961[17:53:34] <squidgirl> HE WTF lolz look look
• 2962[17:53:35] <squidgirl> strange
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• 2964[17:53:38] <squidgirl> go go out
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• 2966[17:53:43] <squidgirl> debian is back
• 2967[17:53:44] <squidgirl> EYAA
• 2968[17:53:48] <squidgirl> just chat for a sec
• 2969[17:53:51] <squidgirl> look look
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• 2971[17:54:17] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2972[17:54:19] <squidgirl> replaced-url
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• 2974[17:54:36] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2975[17:54:48] <Vante> squidgirl: I see you are fun!
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• 2980[17:55:26] <squidgirl> yes
• 2981[17:55:32] <squidgirl> and well there is a fast world
• 2982[17:55:39] <squidgirl> you can use with IRC chat
• 2983[17:55:42] <squidgirl> not being used
• 2984[17:55:48] <squidgirl> i mean a lot
• 2985[17:55:52] <squidgirl> a lot of a lot....
• 2986[17:55:56] <squidgirl> you dont know
• 2987[17:56:06] <squidgirl> chat games
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• 2989[17:56:20] <Vante> Of course. Who am I to know.
• 2990[17:56:30] <Vante> Are you debian squidgirl?
• 2991[17:56:37] <Ticho_> did some ELIZA bot got its word database scrambled?
• 2992[17:56:44] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 2993[17:56:53] <squidgirl> I am ELIZA
• 2994[17:57:16] <Slumlord_> hello Eliza
• 2995[17:57:19] <Vante> Hello, Eliza.
• 2996[17:57:20] <Slumlord_> welcome to debian
• 2997[17:57:38] <squidgirl> replaced-url
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• 3000[17:57:54] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 3001[17:57:56] <squidgirl> LOOK
• 3002[17:58:00] <squidgirl> JQVEt3
• 3003[17:58:02] <squidgirl> LOLZ
• 3004[17:58:03] <squidgirl> JQVEt3
• 3005[17:58:34] <squidgirl> cewl isnt that cewl
• 3006[17:58:39] <squidgirl> dreams
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• 3008[17:58:45] <squidgirl> bye....
• 3009[17:58:49] <squidgirl> sorry..
• 3010[17:58:55] <squidgirl> not my fault
• 3011[17:59:03] <Vante> Bye.
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• 3013[17:59:06] <squidgirl> my live atm is 0% random
• 3014[17:59:18] <squidgirl> heya VampiricPadraig Vante VoidF0x
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• 3016[17:59:30] <squidgirl> sail awai......
• 3017[18:00:46] <iqualfragile> can someone op kickban squidgirl?
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• 3019[18:00:59] <TomTomTosch> stop answerig to trolls please, my ignore list is taking up more and more space.
• 3020[18:01:01] <Vante> Well, now she is silent.
• 3021[18:01:02] <markybob> iqualfragile: /ignore works perfectly well
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• 3026[18:01:43] <iqualfragile> markybob: true, but still
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• 3033[18:03:18] <squidgirl> I mean
• 3034[18:03:20] <squidgirl> I am the seperator at the moment
• 3035[18:03:22] <squidgirl> only one who can do it..
• 3036[18:03:24] <squidgirl> my world...
• 3037[18:03:26] <DeaDSouL_> what are the most reliable 6tb drives ?
• 3038[18:03:26] <squidgirl> replaced-url
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• 3040[18:03:52] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 3041[18:03:59] <jushur> DeaDSouL_: ask google, literaly
• 3042[18:04:01] <squidgirl> replaced-url
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• 3047[18:04:57] <squidgirl> replaced-url
• 3048[18:04:58] <epsilon> DeaDSouL_: take 7,2k enterprise models, the rest is luck
• 3049[18:05:55] <DeaDSouL> epsilon: can you refer a brand, model ?
• 3050[18:06:03] <jushur> DeaDSouL: general rule is age of drives is more important for reliability. and obviously having proper power supply.
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• 3052[18:06:39] <rozie> DeaDSouL: look at backblaze blog. they write about HDDs a lot
• 3053[18:06:44] <epsilon> seagate enterprise models, wd black... there aren't so many
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• 3056[18:07:42] <rozie> replaced-url
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• 3058[18:08:31] <DeaDSouL> rozie: according to backblaze its HGST.
• 3059[18:09:12] <rozie> yep
• 3060[18:09:33] <rozie> and they use SOHO drives
• 3061[18:10:05] <epsilon> remember backblaze is only using cheapest models
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• 3063[18:10:57] <TomTomTosch> also sample size. those stats are bs.
• 3064[18:11:00] <rozie> from my experience - enterprise drives don't last longer. and they are twice expensive
• 3065[18:11:17] <DeaDSouL> rozie, epsilon: can you tell me where can I buy that 6tb HGST model online ?
• 3066[18:11:28] <rozie> s/last longer/last much longer/
• 3067[18:11:29] <DeaDSouL> googled it, couldn't find it
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• 3069[18:11:53] <rozie> DeaDSouL: not sure if they even make 6TB
• 3070[18:12:08] <epsilon> *shurgs* google for 6tb hgst and your country/coty name
• 3071[18:12:20] <DeaDSouL> rozie: yes, I've heard a lot people who used enterprise hdd saying the same
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• 3073[18:12:49] <solata> hi.
• 3074[18:12:54] <DeaDSouL> epsilon: we don't have it yet here in Kuwait,.. so I will have to order it online
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• 3076[18:14:00] <epsilon> there is no store in kuwait selling 6TB disk? wtf
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• 3078[18:14:18] <solata> is there a way to copy files over ssh, but only the different ones, based on a checksum difference (not time ... as my files are generated with build process, so time is updated each time ... )
• 3079[18:14:40] <markybob> DeaDSouL: epsilon this is really offtopic and has gone on long enough. #debian-offtopic
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• 3081[18:14:58] <markybob> solata: rsync does that
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• 3084[18:15:37] <solata> markybob: rsync works over ssh or does it have its own protocol ?
• 3085[18:15:48] <solata> (daemon)
• 3086[18:16:00] <markybob> solata: both. by default it's ssh. you can change it to use it's own
• 3087[18:16:08] <solata> cool, thanks a lot.
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• 3099[18:24:57] <balance> does debian install apache if I check webserver at the installation process?
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• 3103[18:26:31] <markybob> balance: yes
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• 3105[18:26:44] <balance> markybob, but without php module?
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• 3107[18:27:28] <markybob> balance: i honestly don't remember. i don't *think* php is installed by default
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• 3109[18:27:46] <TomTomTosch> i think markbob is correct :P
• 3110[18:27:59] <balance> markybob, TomTomTosch good, thanks
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• 3117[18:30:22] <squidgirl> a yes
• 3118[18:30:29] <squidgirl> that is hunger doing to you
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• 3129[18:33:25] <TomTomTosch> iirc this is what is being installed. replaced-url
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• 3132[18:34:32] <karlpinc> balance: If you're starting from "scratch" you might consider nginx instead of apache. Just a thought.
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• 3136[18:35:08] <balance> karlpinc, can't choose :/
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• 3160[18:43:45] <Plush-Teddy> I can't complete remove all partion informations on USB drives using dd? I have the main primary partition left after dd'ing the whole USB drive, but in RAW. dd'ing hard disks completely removes all ...
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• 3162[18:43:51] <AlexPortable> Is it possible to preseed but not apply the change?
• 3163[18:43:52] <Plush-Teddy> *partition
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• 3165[18:44:02] <AlexPortable> for example only put the value so I can still press enter to verify it put the right value
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• 3192[18:52:55] <Emersont1> hi\nIs there a way to get rid of instances of GRUB in my boot order?
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• 3194[18:53:30] <mentor> Emersont1, instances of grub?
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• 3196[18:54:05] <Emersont1> like when i press the boot order, there are 2x"ubuntu" and one "debian", they are all corrupted from old installs
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• 3198[18:54:23] <mentor> Emersont1, From your BIOS?
• 3199[18:54:30] <Emersont1> yeah, i think?
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• 3201[18:55:10] <Emersont1> i have no idea. i have fsck'd my install 6 times, i know sod all about linux
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• 3205[18:55:31] <mentor> Emersont1, I'm going to assume that your computer has EFI and these are EFI boot entries
• 3206[18:55:40] <Emersont1> okay
• 3207[18:55:44] <Emersont1> i think they are
• 3208[18:55:48] <Emersont1> my mobo is new
• 3209[18:55:49] <AlexPortable> Why is the debian installer preparing evolution-common with preseed?
• 3210[18:55:54] <mentor> Emersont1, In which case you should be able to delete them in your system setup, or from within Debian using the efi tool
• 3211[18:56:05] <Emersont1> efi tool?
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• 3238[19:07:25] <Linnak> Hi, Is it possible to install debian like ubuntu that the user be root?
• 3239[19:07:58] <Linnak> Once I tried to install without root account and the user became root but it didn't work
• 3240[19:08:38] <somiaj> Linnak: it really isn't possible to install any linux such that the user is root. But debian's expert install gives you the ability to disable login on the root account and give the main user sudo privlages
• 3241[19:08:42] <Mathisen> Linnak: why not just install sudo and add user to sudo users
• 3242[19:08:45] <towo`> "didn't work" is saying nothing
• 3243[19:08:50] <somiaj> Linnak: you can also just install sudo and add yoru main user to the sudo group, and it will have root privlages.
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• 3245[19:09:31] <Linnak> I know how to add user to sudo group.
• 3246[19:09:58] <Linnak> Didn't work means didn't work. I can't even login after reboot
• 3247[19:10:36] <markybob> somiaj: the regular install does that. don't have to be expert btw
• 3248[19:10:38] <Linnak> I didn't give root and with user and user password it couldn't login
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• 3250[19:10:54] <towo`> login where? tty? x?
• 3251[19:11:10] <somiaj> markybob: hmm, I didn't see that option when I did a regular install the other day (first time I hadn't used expert in a long time and was suprised that it didn't ask me if I wanted to disable the root account)
• 3252[19:11:13] <Linnak> You know when you start your OS on your PC
• 3253[19:11:20] <Linnak> X
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• 3255[19:11:27] <markybob> somiaj: you just don't enter a password for root. then user will get sudo.
• 3256[19:11:30] <Linnak> It's a desktop
• 3257[19:11:47] <somiaj> markybob: ahh I seem to recall a question that asked if you wanted to login as root, and only give you a password option if you say yes.
• 3258[19:12:02] <towo`> maybe wrong keyboard-layout
• 3259[19:12:21] <Linnak> okay I do it on the oldschool way
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• 3261[19:12:24] <Linnak> thanks
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• 3265[19:14:17] <TomTomTosch> may i ask what the oldschool way is? ;D
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• 3267[19:15:14] <Linnak> Look, I am the only person who use my computer (as a desktop). Why should I have a root and a user account?
• 3268[19:15:32] <TomTomTosch> so you don't break your system?
• 3269[19:15:57] <Linnak> I asked if it's possible from the ground from the installation to set Debian to the user be a root
• 3270[19:16:03] <markybob> Linnak: i think i just said how you do what you want.
• 3271[19:16:09] <markybob> in fact i know i did
• 3272[19:16:14] <somiaj> Linnak: root is a system account and is needed by the core of your system so it has to be there. You don't want to run desktop applicaitions as root so you need a non-root user for that. But you can disable root and make it so you don't need to use the root account (it will still be there for system stuff though)
• 3273[19:16:25] <Linnak> TomTomTosch, Both nedd a password, don't they?
• 3274[19:16:29] <markybob> Linnak: no
• 3275[19:16:35] <markybob> Linnak: did you read anything i said?
• 3276[19:17:13] <markybob> i need some vodka
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• 3278[19:17:46] <harmaahylje> Linnak: what you are trying to do, you should not try to do
• 3279[19:17:57] <AlexPortable> Any way I can put some files in home directory via preseed?
• 3280[19:18:05] <Linnak> markybob, I remember I wrote what it did if I didn't give root password. I don't want a non working OS
• 3281[19:18:06] <mirton> 23222311
• 3282[19:18:06] <AlexPortable> so I don't have to install them myself
• 3283[19:18:10] <markybob> Linnak: people like you are so frustrating. you expect everyone to bend over backwards for you and yet you *do not read* our responses and then you get pissed off. i mean c'mon.
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• 3285[19:18:36] <markybob> another /ignore. fuck today
• 3286[19:18:37] <Linnak> I'm not pissed
• 3287[19:18:57] <AlexPortable> Linnak: if you want to use root just login with root user
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• 3290[19:19:43] <Linnak> I just answered politely to TomTomTosch what is the oldschool way in my point of view. End of the story
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• 3296[19:22:08] <MaBunny> ok guys i hav solved the problem
• 3297[19:22:22] <AlexPortable> how can I let preseed not ask where to install grub?
• 3298[19:22:27] <AlexPortable> d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean true
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• 3305[19:25:30] <MaBunny> so is there an i386_64 version of debian jessie?
• 3306[19:25:39] <towo`> no
• 3307[19:25:47] <MaBunny> why?
• 3308[19:25:53] <simonlnu> Linnak: the closest analogy i can think of from a non-unix os is the admin account in windows. it's also not recommended to use it as a user account, but it's also essential to proper functioning.
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• 3310[19:26:00] <towo`> what sould be an i386_64?
• 3311[19:26:12] <simonlnu> i386 64 bit?
• 3312[19:26:13] <sjamaan> Hi all. I saw that a fix for bug #812411 has been uploaded to FTP, but this package is not available yet? replaced-url
• 3313[19:26:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3314[19:26:21] <simonlnu> *blink blink*
• 3315[19:26:28] <sjamaan> When will this be released?
• 3316[19:26:41] <MaBunny> simonlnu: yes
• 3317[19:26:45] <towo`> ha ha
• 3318[19:26:54] <simonlnu> sjamaan: it's security, it'll be in ASAP
• 3319[19:27:08] <towo`> MaBunny, i386 is allways 32bit
• 3320[19:27:33] <sjamaan> simonlnu: The last mail in the ticket is 3 weeks old
• 3321[19:27:42] <sypher> MaBunny: i386_64 is a contradiction in terms.
• 3322[19:27:48] <MaBunny> is there support for x86_64 intel core 2 duo processors?
• 3323[19:27:49] <towo`> and if you want 64bit, what's wrong with amd64?
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• 3326[19:28:02] <MaBunny> srry, bad spellings
• 3327[19:28:02] <markybob> MaBunny: yes
• 3328[19:28:09] <simonlnu> sjamaan: check your sources lists?
• 3329[19:28:47] <MaBunny> markybob: how?
• 3330[19:28:56] <towo`> MaBunny, amd64
• 3331[19:29:00] <markybob> MaBunny: you simply install the amd64
• 3332[19:29:03] <somiaj> MaBunny: yes, x86_64 uses the codename 'amd64'. you can eitehr install 32bit (i386) or 64bit (amd64) on that processor.
• 3333[19:29:04] <towo`> fits exact your arch
• 3334[19:29:05] <sjamaan> simonlnu: Ah, now I see the fix was for unstable. When can we expect a fix for stable?
• 3335[19:29:09] <somiaj> MaBunny: most use amd64 these days
• 3336[19:29:14] <somiaj> !tell MaBunny about amd64
• 3337[19:29:21] <somiaj> MaBunny: a little bit about why the name amd64 for intel stuff
• 3338[19:29:33] <boubou> are they many big cie who use debian as main distrib ?
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• 3340[19:29:41] <simonlnu> i don't know, i'm not the maintainer - security fixes are quick.
• 3341[19:29:52] <simonlnu> boubou: yes
• 3342[19:29:59] <boubou> like ?
• 3343[19:30:11] <somiaj> though you sometimes have to wait for the security team to backport the fix to stable.
• 3344[19:30:13] <simonlnu> JGI
• 3345[19:30:15] <sypher> Google, I believe.
• 3346[19:30:24] <sjamaan> ok, thanks for the info
• 3347[19:30:25] <simonlnu> !jgi
• 3348[19:30:28] <MaBunny> i hav intel core 2 duo e7200 , buut i guess amd64 is diff from x86_64?
• 3349[19:30:35] <MaBunny> *but
• 3350[19:30:36] <sypher> MaBunny: No, it's not.
• 3351[19:30:37] <markybob> MaBunny: no it's the same
• 3352[19:30:37] <simonlnu> :/
• 3353[19:30:51] <somiaj> MaBunny: no it is not, you have had multiple people tell you to just install amd64
• 3354[19:30:54] <MaBunny> they hav same architecture?
• 3355[19:31:02] <sypher> MaBunny: For the xth time, yes.
• 3356[19:31:07] <MaBunny> no,its ok
• 3357[19:31:09] <markybob> MaBunny: i don't know how many more times we have to say yes
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• 3360[19:31:49] <MaBunny> i hav installed x86 32 bit,and will use it on another computer
• 3361[19:31:52] <simonlnu> dpkg: tell boubou about jgi
• 3362[19:32:05] <MaBunny> but thnx for letting me kno
• 3363[19:32:14] <sypher> MaBunny: How much RAM does the system have?
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• 3365[19:32:39] <markybob> sypher: don't confuse him. he just wanted to know if it worked. not if it was needed :P
• 3366[19:32:42] <somiaj> sypher: I think the -pae kernels are default so that really isn't an issue.
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• 3368[19:32:52] <AlexPortable> why is debian isntalling so much software with preseed?
• 3369[19:32:53] <sypher> K.
• 3370[19:32:56] <simonlnu> they are, now
• 3371[19:32:57] <MaBunny> it has 2gb ram
• 3372[19:33:04] <sypher> MaBunny: Cool.
• 3373[19:33:12] <AlexPortable> its installing gnome-music...
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• 3375[19:33:13] <MaBunny> works fine
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• 3378[19:33:30] <somiaj> AlexPortable: I think the 'desktop' is a default thing that is selected. You may have to actually say in your preseed to not install the desktop.
• 3379[19:33:31] <simonlnu> AlexPortable: you probably chose a desktop task
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• 3382[19:33:39] <AlexPortable> tasksel tasksel/first multiselect none
• 3383[19:33:47] <AlexPortable> d-i pkgsel/upgrade select none
• 3384[19:33:48] <MaBunny> and i finished the problem of installing frm the ppms
• 3385[19:33:56] <AlexPortable> Did I type something wrong?
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• 3387[19:34:22] <towo`> what is ppms?
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• 3389[19:34:23] <markybob> MaBunny: what the hell is a ppms?
• 3390[19:34:35] <simonlnu> pre-post-m-s
• 3391[19:34:43] <MaBunny> i mean package list
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• 3393[19:34:49] <AlexPortable> somiaj: simonlnu ?
• 3394[19:34:49] <MaBunny> *repos
• 3395[19:34:59] <TomTomTosch> markybob, it's much easier to enjoy the madness while drunk :P
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• 3397[19:35:13] <markybob> TomTomTosch: i'm half way there :P
• 3398[19:35:34] <simonlnu> markybob got an early start :P
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• 3400[19:35:42] <TomTomTosch> markybob, again, far ahead.
• 3401[19:35:54] <MaBunny> so what do you guys do for a living? im just asking
• 3402[19:36:03] <simonlnu> breathe
• 3403[19:36:08] <MaBunny> by the way, im a student
• 3404[19:36:12] <markybob> MaBunny: that's offtopic
• 3405[19:36:22] <AlexPortable> simonlnu: lol
• 3406[19:36:35] <MaBunny> ok, i will not offend anyone
• 3407[19:36:59] <AlexPortable> somiaj: how do I select nothing via preseed?
• 3408[19:37:26] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, it's not about offending, but anything not support related belongs to #debian-offtopic
• 3409[19:37:38] <somiaj> AlexPortable: I don't know presseds enough. I'm just suggestion the issue is in the taskel configuration
• 3410[19:37:49] <MaBunny> ok
• 3411[19:37:51] <AlexPortable> Okay
• 3412[19:37:55] <AlexPortable> :c
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• 3436[19:50:01] <tpanarch1st> hello, 2 questions, 1) rather baffled why Plesk has stopped automatically starting - it works fine when I manually start it with the .sh file - also 2) how do I add it to startup please?
• 3437[19:51:00] <somiaj> tpanarch1st: we don't really support Plesk here, but what you do for start up depends on if you are using systemd or sysvinit. On jessie it is most likely systemd in which case you need to add a .service unit file to /etc/systemd/system that starts plesk (i.e. runs this .sh file you talk about)
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• 3440[19:52:06] <tpanarch1st> thanks ever so much somiaj :) it is Jessie :)
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• 3442[19:52:27] <tpanarch1st> how does he go about working how to add the .service unit please :)
• 3443[19:52:53] <somiaj> it is just a small file, you can look up the syntax online, and maybe you can look up a .service file that works with PLESK
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• 3446[19:53:58] <tpanarch1st> sorry, forgive me it was Plex not Plesk - i'm trying to help a friend you see :)
• 3447[19:54:13] <tpanarch1st> my apologies but I guess its the same concept?
• 3448[19:55:19] <somiaj> ahh I don't know what Plex is
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• 3451[19:55:50] <tpanarch1st> thanks though :)
• 3452[19:55:50] <somiaj> yes, systemd unit files are the way to get programs to run at boot in jessie using systemd (you can use LSB init scripts if you really want to, but I suggest the .service files)
• 3453[19:56:08] <somiaj> is Plex a debian package or something thrid party? If so maybe you can find a systemd unit fil online you can just use
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• 3456[19:57:48] <tpanarch1st> just relaying the question somiaj :)
• 3457[19:58:08] <somiaj> I didn't get anything when I looke dor packages named plex
• 3458[19:58:17] <markybob> it's third party
• 3459[19:58:20] <tpanarch1st> yep - he's installed it from the website so yep :)
• 3460[19:58:47] <tpanarch1st> but he has found a .service file in the directory though
• 3461[19:59:07] <somiaj> in which case you can use either a LSB init script in /etc/init.d (system will honor those) but a .service file in /etc/systemd/system is preferable. I actually like them more than the old shell scripts.
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• 3464[19:59:45] <somiaj> tpanarch1st: so there is a service file in /etc/systemd/sysetm? Use systemctl to start it, if it starts, you can then enable it so it runs at boot
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• 3466[20:01:08] <tpanarch1st> somiaj: sorry, how so?
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• 3468[20:01:58] <somiaj> man systemctl
• 3469[20:02:11] <somiaj> systemctl start servicename, systemctl status servicename, systemctl enable servicename
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• 3472[20:03:42] <tpanarch1st> ahh now im with you"
• 3473[20:03:43] <tpanarch1st> !
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• 3475[20:03:57] <tpanarch1st> sorry i thought it was going to be something like ./.servicefile
• 3476[20:04:02] <tpanarch1st> or something silly :)
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• 3478[20:06:34] <bierdieb> hello. im using a logitech k400r wireless keyboard and tried to enable middlemousebutton emulation. the result was not as expected, so i removed my edits in the xorg conf. unfortunately i lost the left-click function by double tapping the trackpad. how to reset those settings back to factory defaults?
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• 3496[20:14:06] <tpanarch1st> somiaj: he's getting d bus complaints
• 3497[20:14:26] <somiaj> sounds like he needs to track down the issue then
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• 3501[20:17:34] <fnkr> Hi, is anyone here who hosts a debian mirror and can tell how much traffic to expect?
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• 3503[20:18:07] <somiaj> fnkr: are you wanting to get your mirror on the httpredir.debian.org rotation or just in an offical list?
• 3504[20:18:32] <somiaj> fnkr: or just run a local mirror?
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• 3506[20:20:43] <balance> I get permission denied if I try to run a script - I'm using sudo - what could be the reason?
• 3507[20:20:57] <somiaj> fnkr: there is #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net that might have better knowledge.
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• 3509[20:21:25] <somiaj> fnkr: replaced-url
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• 3511[20:21:39] <somiaj> balance: does the script have the +x bit on it (so it can be run)?
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• 3513[20:22:09] <balance> somiaj, yes
• 3514[20:22:14] <fnkr> somiaj: Thanks for the info! I will look there.
• 3515[20:22:15] <balance> somiaj, wait
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• 3521[20:24:31] * TomTomTosch waits too.
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• 3525[20:26:44] <balance> somiaj, yeah, still the problem
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• 3527[20:27:17] <TomTomTosch> balance, you should probably just post the error instead of describing it :P
• 3528[20:27:29] <balance> TomTomTosch, Permission denied
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• 3535[20:28:10] <somiaj> balance: ls -l /path/to/script please
• 3536[20:28:22] <balance> 1 sec
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• 3538[20:30:26] <balance> somiaj, TomTomTosch replaced-url
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• 3542[20:31:30] <somiaj> balance: and what script are you trying to run?
• 3543[20:32:11] <somiaj> balance: the error told you what script to look at, this info would have been useful.
• 3544[20:32:18] <somiaj> balance: ls -l /var/replaced-url
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• 3546[20:34:26] <balance> somiaj, ah
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• 3548[20:34:44] <balance> somiaj, that simple - thanks
• 3549[20:34:54] <somiaj> as I said, make sure the script you are running has the +x bit on it
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• 3554[20:35:56] <balance> somiaj, yes - you better would have said: idiot, read the error carefully :P
• 3555[20:36:05] <balance> thanks :)
• 3556[20:36:54] <somiaj> !rtfm
• 3557[20:36:54] <dpkg> it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
• 3558[20:37:10] <somiaj> though not exactly the case, but yes it is useful to read [and try to understand the full error]
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• 3564[20:42:15] <TomTomTosch> balance, you probably want to overthink your security policy concerning file permissions though :P
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• 3569[20:43:43] <balance> TomTomTosch, I'm not hosting anything myself
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• 3572[20:44:12] <TomTomTosch> just sayin...
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• 3580[20:50:26] <debianDell> I got the following error
• 3581[20:50:29] <debianDell> (gnome-system-log:11657): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_text_buffer_emit_insert: assertion 'g_utf8_validate (text, len, NULL)' failed
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• 3585[20:52:09] <debianDell> Mar 5 20:08:19 Inspiron-7537 gnome-session[1449]: (gnome-shell:1597): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Kein passender Prozess gefunden. dconf will not work properly.
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• 3589[20:52:30] <debianDell> anybody could help me?
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• 3598[20:54:52] <markybob> debianDell: #1 probably doesn't mean anything other than the developer is stuipd
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• 3600[20:55:33] <markybob> debianDell: and are you using ubuntu?
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• 3604[20:55:56] <debianDell> markybob: jessie
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• 3607[20:57:38] <debianDell> debian 8
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• 3610[20:59:17] <bierdieb> finally, i got it. native hardware option on this keyboard, and i was messing up configs and drivers..... dough
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• 3636[21:14:07] <markybob> hell who doesn't love dough
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• 3639[21:15:25] <TomTomTosch> damn right.
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• 3667[21:23:27] <Guest86335> I know it is a shitty question when it asks about mices but here is the problem : I bought a wireless mouse, generic brand, but it doesnt work. The mouse has it's power on, and the transmitter is plugged but here is what dmesg says about it : replaced-url
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• 3681[21:26:47] <funkoverload> Hello
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• 3694[21:31:37] <karlpinc> malademental: Step 1. Does it have batteries?
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• 3712[21:38:08] <cluelessperson> So I'm using debootstrap within a chroot to build debian kernel.
• 3713[21:38:24] <cluelessperson> Does anyone know much about debian kernel compiling configuration?
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• 3716[21:38:41] <cluelessperson> I'm going for minimal kernel with basic ethernet firmware
• 3717[21:39:28] <virtualbox> i think when you compile your own kernel you can choose which firmware to use...
• 3718[21:39:40] <virtualbox> there should be a gui
• 3719[21:40:18] <markybob> cluelessperson: no. because of licensing firmware won't be included in kernel.
• 3720[21:40:25] <cluelessperson> virtualbox, yes, I'm looking at it, but I don't know what these things are and there's not much guidance to tell you what may be required.
• 3721[21:40:29] <markybob> cluelessperson: it's a seperate thing
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• 3723[21:40:47] <Lazec> Hi!
• 3724[21:40:48] <markybob> cluelessperson: it's not gpl. so it can't be together
• 3725[21:40:52] <cluelessperson> er
• 3726[21:41:09] <cluelessperson> virtualbox, lke "System V IPC"
• 3727[21:41:12] <Lazec> 'sup?
• 3728[21:41:24] <cluelessperson> virtualbox, nor does it tell me what each thing's size/footprint will be.
• 3729[21:41:45] <virtualbox> cluelessperson, you need to look at some guides
• 3730[21:42:10] <dontknow> cluelessperson, compilin kernel is unnecessary adventure
• 3731[21:42:32] <markybob> cluelessperson: i'm curious how you plan on compiling this kernel
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• 3733[21:42:44] <virtualbox> replaced-url
• 3734[21:42:51] <dontknow> believe me, i compiled lots of optimized kernel etc.. it gives you nothing
• 3735[21:43:02] <virtualbox> i wouldnt do it either
• 3736[21:43:18] <virtualbox> the kernel that is provided is stable
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• 3739[21:44:13] <cluelessperson> dontknow, I want a smaller footprint than 150 MB
• 3740[21:44:35] <dontknow> cluelessperson, why?
• 3741[21:45:21] <cluelessperson> dontknow, Because I want to wind up with an ISO less than 200 MB, and less than 200 MB in RAM?
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• 3743[21:45:28] <cluelessperson> Because I WANT to?
• 3744[21:45:46] <dontknow> oh ok
• 3745[21:45:47] <towo`> then learn and don't ask how to do
• 3746[21:45:51] <markybob> cluelessperson: i'm amazed not everyone doesn't have dontknow on /ignore
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• 3749[21:46:28] <virtualbox> if you want to use a custom kernel use lfs
• 3750[21:46:36] <markybob> cluelessperson: anyway how are you compiling this?
• 3751[21:46:41] <dontknow> jelly, i had enough of markybob . he always talk like that
• 3752[21:46:47] <mutable_malachi> Hey folks. I'm looking at upgrading from jessie to stretch. Does anyone know approximately how much disk space I'll need in addition to the 6 GB I'm currently using?
• 3753[21:47:12] <markybob> mutable_malachi: stretch isn't supported here per /topic. go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 3754[21:47:19] <TomTomTosch> dontknow, he is also the most productive here lol
• 3755[21:47:26] <cluelessperson> virtualbox, WHY
• 3756[21:47:38] <mutable_malachi> markybob: Oops, sorry. Got it.
• 3757[21:47:40] <dontknow> TomTomTosch, fuck his productivity
• 3758[21:47:43] <virtualbox> cluelessperson, i have a regular kernel and i use barely any ram
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• 3761[21:47:57] <virtualbox> total used free shared buffers cached
• 3762[21:47:57] <virtualbox> Mem: 7905 874 7030 41 55 441
• 3763[21:47:57] <virtualbox> -/+ buffers/cache: 377 7527
• 3764[21:47:57] <virtualbox> Swap: 1907 0 1907
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• 3767[21:48:11] <cluelessperson> markybob, I'm on linux mint, so what I'm doing is debootstrapping a debian environment, and then looking at make menu .config Kernel Configuration
• 3768[21:48:38] <TomTomTosch> were you not on ubuntu yesterday doing the same thing? ;D
• 3769[21:48:42] <dontknow> jelly, ban markybob
• 3770[21:48:48] <virtualbox> im using like 377mb of ram atm and im running chat and a browser in xfce
• 3771[21:48:59] <virtualbox> so i dont see the point cluelessperson
• 3772[21:49:02] <cluelessperson> virtualbox In case you didn't fucking notice, you're using 874 MB of RAM. I said my goal is 200, or as low as possible.
• 3773[21:49:03] <towo`> cluelessperson, you don't need a chroot for compiling a kernel
• 3774[21:49:06] <somiaj> cluelessperson: if you just want a copy of the debian .confg file, you can get it from extracting the debian linux image apcakge.
• 3775[21:49:13] <hexnewbie> virtualbox: 32 or 64 bit?
• 3776[21:49:18] <virtualbox> 64
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• 3779[21:49:44] <cluelessperson> gah
• 3780[21:49:52] <virtualbox> and you're wrong cluelessperson
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• 3782[21:50:00] <markybob> cluelessperson: anyway, don't use make-kpkg like a lot of people do. use make deb-pkg
• 3783[21:50:06] <virtualbox> look at +/- buffers /cache
• 3784[21:50:14] <virtualbox> i am only using 377]
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• 3786[21:50:22] <hexnewbie> If a browser uses less than 1 GB for me, it means I've opened too few tabs :)
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• 3788[21:50:32] <virtualbox> hexnewbie ikr
• 3789[21:50:47] <cluelessperson> markybob, I'll try it out
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• 3791[21:50:53] <virtualbox> when i switched to debian from mint my ram use dropped 1.5 gb
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• 3793[21:52:21] <cluelessperson> markybob, what's debpkg do exactly?
• 3794[21:52:37] <markybob> cluelessperson: the proper way to do it. replaced-url
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• 3826[22:08:40] <Linnak> Hi, I wanted to choose 1600x900 display resolution so I installed nvidia-driver. I couldn't choose it. After 1920x1080 only the 1280x720 is the 16:9 option. So I installed Bumblebee and after reboot I had only tty. I removed Bumblebee and nvidia-driver but I can't start x.
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• 3852[22:19:57] <TomTomTosch> there is not much you'd want to disable though. most optional stuff are modules anyway.
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• 3887[22:38:55] <AlexPortable> Just installed debian wheezy, is it normal that there are so many folders now in / ?
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• 3889[22:39:16] <AlexPortable> bin,dev,home,lib,lost+found,mnt,proc,run,srv,tmp,var,boot,etc,initrd.img,lib64,media,opt,root,sbin,sys,usr,vmlinuz ?
• 3890[22:40:01] <joostvb> AlexPortable: yes
• 3891[22:40:06] <towo`> vmlinux is for sure not a folder
• 3892[22:40:13] <towo`> *vmlinuz
• 3893[22:40:18] <joostvb> AlexPortable: lost+found only for some filesystems
• 3894[22:40:22] <AlexPortable> what is vmlinuz?
• 3895[22:40:26] <AlexPortable> it's ext4 no?
• 3896[22:40:31] <joostvb> AlexPortable: on some systems you won't have /lost+found
• 3897[22:40:33] <towo`> a link to your kernel
• 3898[22:40:40] <AlexPortable> is this new for wheezy?
• 3899[22:40:45] <bolt> no
• 3900[22:40:55] <joostvb> /initrd.img is a symlink too
• 3901[22:40:57] <towo`> and initrd.img is also not a folder
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• 3903[22:41:07] <joostvb> gmta :)
• 3904[22:41:16] <AlexPortable> okay thanks :D
• 3905[22:41:20] <AlexPortable> can i remove exim?
• 3906[22:41:28] <joostvb> ext4 is the default filesystem for / , indeed
• 3907[22:41:55] <joostvb> AlexPortable: if you plan to use your system as a desktop: probably yes, you can remove exim
• 3908[22:42:02] <AlexPortable> yes
• 3909[22:42:05] <AlexPortable> why is it installed by default?
• 3910[22:42:19] <joostvb> AlexPortable: historical legacy i guess
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• 3923[22:49:44] <AlexPortable> okay
• 3924[22:49:49] <AlexPortable> How can i add /dev/sda for bootloader to my preseed?
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• 3934[22:52:27] <tako> hello how can i fix this problem = W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 3935[22:52:28] <tako> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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• 3938[22:53:49] <towo`> change your sources-list entree
• 3939[22:54:01] <markybob> tako: chrome doesn't do 32-bit iirc
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• 3942[22:54:17] <towo`> make it deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
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• 3946[22:55:14] <tako> but idont have this repo in my sources.list
• 3947[22:55:50] <markybob> then it's probably in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
• 3948[22:55:55] <tako> replaced-url
• 3949[22:56:05] <AlexPortable> Execution of preseeded command "in-target cd root/" failed with exit code 127
• 3950[22:56:08] <towo`> tako, sure you have /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
• 3951[22:56:09] <mrrhq> tako: Can you not use Chromium browser?
• 3952[22:56:13] <AlexPortable> How can i move files into root directory during preeed?
• 3953[22:56:16] <AlexPortable> preseed*
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• 3957[22:56:20] <mrrhq> Chromium is th eopen soruce Chrome.
• 3958[22:56:26] <tako> i have google-chrome not chromium
• 3959[22:56:31] <mrrhq> *the open source
• 3960[22:56:37] <towo`> and does not support all things of chrome
• 3961[22:56:59] <tako> actually why i have google.list
• 3962[22:57:09] <markybob> tako: so what's your problem? uncomment the line
• 3963[22:57:11] <tako> its reading from google.list
• 3964[22:57:38] <towo`> tako, because it is created by the chrome package
• 3965[22:57:39] <tako> can i remove google.list in sources.list.d because i have google-chrome-list.d
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• 3967[22:58:24] <mrrhq> Just curious what Chrome-specific features people really are using?
• 3968[22:58:42] <towo`> netflix and amazon prime for example?
• 3969[22:58:44] <markybob> mrrhq: only thing i know of is netflix
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• 3971[22:58:56] <tako> okay i make it
• 3972[22:58:58] <tako> thanks
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• 3974[22:59:59] <mrrhq> tako, markybob: Hm.. I thought only Chromebooks could use Netflix.
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• 3976[23:01:24] <markybob> they can. they have chrome. not chromium
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• 3987[23:05:02] <Ozymandias117> Unfortunately, every time Chrome updates, you'll run into the issue again
• 3988[23:05:11] <Ozymandias117> They overwrite their own sources.list.d entry on install
• 3989[23:06:10] <mrrhq> Apparently, all you need is Encrypted Media Extensions support and specific usar-agent strings: replaced-url
• 3990[23:06:30] <mrrhq> So I wonder if the other browsers support EME?
• 3991[23:06:40] <Ozymandias117> You don't need to modify the user-agent string anymore
• 3992[23:06:40] <markybob> mrrhq: no, pipelight no longer works
• 3993[23:06:42] <mrrhq> Iceweasel and Chromium, e.g.
• 3994[23:06:45] <Ozymandias117> That was only needed for like a month
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• 3997[23:07:10] <allfs> I installed with encryption, anything special I need to do to repartition the drive?
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• 3999[23:07:21] <Ozymandias117> Firefox supposedly is working with Cisco? IIRC to support the DRM needed for Netflix
• 4000[23:07:39] <markybob> allfs: that question makes no sense
• 4001[23:07:47] <mrrhq> All I know Cisco is working with Mozilla for is OpenH264.
• 4002[23:07:53] <allfs> markybob: er I have an encrypted partition
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• 4004[23:08:03] <allfs> I need to use some of that for another OS
• 4005[23:08:07] <Ozymandias117> Huh. I thought they were doing both. Maybe not?
• 4006[23:08:22] <mrrhq> allfs: Your drive is decrypted once you use it, it's safe to use it as long as it's mounted and decrypted.
• 4007[23:08:23] <markybob> allfs: so you really need to ask that OS's channel what to do. i have no idea
• 4008[23:08:45] <Ozymandias117> Oh, apparently Netflix was with Adobe. replaced-url
• 4009[23:08:56] <mrrhq> The myth is: Disk encryption will save you from Online attacks and viruses.
• 4010[23:09:01] <virtualbox> allfs you cant do that
• 4011[23:09:04] <mrrhq> No the drive just decrypts once oyu stop using it.
• 4012[23:09:05] <markybob> Ozymandias117: yes. not linux.
• 4013[23:09:10] <allfs> welp
• 4014[23:09:14] <towo`> Ozymandias117, modyfying of that google-list can be disabled
• 4015[23:09:24] <virtualbox> if its encrypted you will need to boot it unencrypted and then repartition it
• 4016[23:09:28] <allfs> I need am required to use visual studio and virtualbox is too slow
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• 4020[23:09:59] <Ryvius> Hello, is there no programs for putting ISOs on usbs for Debian?
• 4021[23:09:59] <Ozymandias117> markybob, As the blog post says, only Windows currently. They're working on bringing it to "other operating systems"
• 4022[23:10:00] <virtualbox> if its encrypted you will need to boot it unencrypted and then repartition it and create a new unencrypted partition with the free space
• 4023[23:10:05] <Ozymandias117> towo`, Oh, really?
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• 4025[23:10:29] <towo`> Ozymandias117, sure, /etc/default/google-chrome
• 4026[23:10:32] <virtualbox> do you have gparted?
• 4027[23:10:36] <allfs> yea
• 4028[23:10:40] <virtualbox> then do that
• 4029[23:11:02] <virtualbox> if you want a windows partition it must be fat32 if linux use ext4
• 4030[23:11:06] <markybob> Ryvius: are you talking about the debian installer?
• 4031[23:11:18] <virtualbox> do you know how to use gparted?
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• 4033[23:11:41] <allfs> virtualbox: it won't let me resize my current partition
• 4034[23:11:42] <mrrhq> People still make it sound like Google Chome is the only way to play Netflix natively on Linux. I'm not sure what to believe now.
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• 4036[23:12:00] <virtualbox> mrrhq then do your own research
• 4037[23:12:21] <markybob> it is that i know of. now that pipelight is dead
• 4038[23:12:51] <virtualbox> cant you watch it in a browser?
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• 4040[23:12:55] <mrrhq> More like NSAPI is dead.
• 4041[23:12:56] <jeezy> is there another channel for debian-ppc?
• 4042[23:12:59] <mrrhq> Thank... God.
• 4043[23:13:00] <Ozymandias117> mrrhq, Currently, I believe that is the case. Firefox has been working on bringing support, but don't support it yet. I'm unaware of any way to make it work in Chromium.
• 4044[23:13:00] <markybob> virtualbox: that is what chrome is
• 4045[23:13:12] <virtualbox> you can watch it with iceweasel
• 4046[23:13:16] <markybob> virtualbox: no you can't
• 4047[23:13:19] <virtualbox> or qany browser
• 4048[23:13:22] <markybob> virtualbox: no
• 4049[23:13:23] <virtualbox> why not?
• 4050[23:13:30] <markybob> virtualbox: because drm fucking sucks
• 4051[23:13:36] <Ozymandias117> towo`, Interesting, thanks!
• 4052[23:13:38] <towo`> it does not support the drn
• 4053[23:13:44] <virtualbox> then get chrome
• 4054[23:13:47] <markybob> jesus
• 4055[23:13:54] <virtualbox> or dont watch netflix on your pc
• 4056[23:14:00] <mrrhq> Ozymandias117: I have a feeling Mozilla doesn't want to support EME.
• 4057[23:14:24] <mrrhq> That's mostly what they need. Netflix does support HTML5 now, right?
• 4058[23:14:28] <allfs> virtualbox: oh for fuck's sake I realistically have to do a full reinstall
• 4059[23:14:33] <markybob> virtualbox: thanks for adding so much to this conversation
• 4060[23:14:40] <virtualbox> allfs yes
• 4061[23:14:56] <Ryvius> markybob: no
• 4062[23:14:57] <Ozymandias117> mrrhq, They support Netflix's DRM on Windows, and are working on "bring[ing] the Primetime CDM to Firefox on other operating systems"
• 4063[23:15:06] <virtualbox> i have net flix. i am gonna test this
• 4064[23:15:15] <markybob> Ryvius: what are you talking about?
• 4065[23:15:21] <allfs> gayyyyeeee
• 4066[23:15:46] <virtualbox> allfs these are things you need to consider before encrypting your disk
• 4067[23:15:52] <mrrhq> Never been a big fan of Netflix, but I like to follow and listen to news abotu technologies that many people use. It's interesting.
• 4068[23:15:55] <Ryvius> markybob: I want to put Fedora on my USB, without learning the console way
• 4069[23:16:09] <allfs> virtualbox: well yea my windows laptop was stolen
• 4070[23:16:19] <markybob> Ryvius: without the console way? i have no idea. i was going to tell you to use dd. ask #fedora
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• 4072[23:16:25] <mrrhq> Ryvius: This is a Debian channel though, lol.
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• 4075[23:17:14] <mrrhq> I am really liking Fedora's Wayland support goals though. Maybe Debian should have that in mind. :^)
• 4076[23:17:20] <virtualbox> allfs just use a password to login. i have a BIOS pw to login and a debian pw set. so it takes 2 passwords to login.
• 4077[23:17:23] <Ryvius> There's really no USB creators packaged for Debian?
• 4078[23:17:31] <virtualbox> encryption is a joke
• 4079[23:17:32] <markybob> mrrhq: wayland is in debian. it just sucks right now
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• 4082[23:17:49] <markybob> Ryvius: no. it's called dd. console which you don't want to use
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• 4084[23:17:51] <virtualbox> unless you are doing something illegal. it slows boot time down as well
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• 4086[23:18:12] <allfs> virtualbox: my drive is encrypted for a reason brobro. bios is locked to obv
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• 4088[23:18:18] <virtualbox> Ryvius you can compile fedora live usb creator yourself
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• 4091[23:18:57] <mrrhq> markybob: Yeah, I've used Weston and XWayland, there are some bugs in Sid, like mostly graphical glitches and such. Sorry, I won't talk much about Sid on a stable channel. :p
• 4092[23:19:07] <virtualbox> well allfs you cant make a partition without reinstalling everything. do you have a usb drive or something to back your files up on?
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• 4094[23:19:34] <allfs> i have an external yea. actually it's doable from a live boot apparently. I'm just going to dick around with virtualbox and see if I can make it usable
• 4095[23:19:43] <allfs> you wouldn't happen to know about that would you? :P
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• 4097[23:19:44] <virtualbox> ok
• 4098[23:19:51] <virtualbox> yeah you do have to live boot
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• 4100[23:19:58] <Ryvius> Huh... I find that strange
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• 4104[23:20:36] <allfs> virtualbox: what's the deal with win7 not having a screen resolution that fits? works fine in stretch mode
• 4105[23:20:41] <allfs> guest additions installed
• 4106[23:20:43] <virtualbox> what trouble are you having with virtualbox ? allfs
• 4107[23:20:55] <virtualbox> yea
• 4108[23:21:23] <allfs> that and visual studio is a nightmare
• 4109[23:21:24] <virtualbox> cant you install it to a usb?
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• 4111[23:21:37] <allfs> what win7?
• 4112[23:21:46] <virtualbox> then choose it as the boot device at startup
• 4113[23:21:47] <virtualbox> yes
• 4114[23:22:04] <allfs> would that be faster than vbox? you think?
• 4115[23:22:08] <virtualbox> yes
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• 4118[23:22:13] <mrrhq> VS is a nightmare for GNU/Linux users.*
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• 4120[23:22:16] <allfs> whaaaaaaat
• 4121[23:22:19] <mrrhq> Lmao.
• 4122[23:22:30] <Ozymandias117> Also for large c++ projects.
• 4123[23:22:32] <Ozymandias117> >.>
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• 4126[23:22:37] <virtualbox> it would run win7 not win7 in linux
• 4127[23:22:44] <allfs> asp.net mvc
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• 4130[23:23:12] <allfs> virtualbox: you know what I actually have a hdd and sata-usb
• 4131[23:23:20] <allfs> the hd that came with the laptop
• 4132[23:23:21] <virtualbox> then just use it
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• 4134[23:23:32] <allfs> that's a good idea man
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• 4136[23:23:55] <virtualbox> that way you dont have to worry about messing with your disk
• 4137[23:23:55] <allfs> oh god though
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• 4139[23:24:00] <allfs> that means I have to use windows
• 4140[23:24:03] <allfs> ohhh god
• 4141[23:24:16] <virtualbox> why anyway?
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• 4143[23:24:27] <virtualbox> why do you need to use windows?
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• 4145[23:24:35] <allfs> working on some shit for the department of agriculture
• 4146[23:24:42] <allfs> runs on windows only and i have to use mvc
• 4147[23:24:54] <allfs> i don't know jack shit about what I'm doing but my only instructions involve wandows
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• 4149[23:25:05] <markybob> hell i had to use it when making installers for deluge on it
• 4150[23:25:08] <virtualbox> have you tried wine?
• 4151[23:25:15] <allfs> lol
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• 4153[23:25:25] <mrrhq> If you absolutely need at least Windows XP for an application that doesn't work in Wine, I could highly suggest Windows Embedded POSReady 2009.
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• 4155[23:25:33] <mrrhq> It's a free trial download.
• 4156[23:25:33] <virtualbox> runs on windows only isnt always true
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• 4158[23:25:47] <mrrhq> And it's exactly the same as a supported Windows XP.
• 4159[23:25:47] <markybob> virtualbox: for visual studio...it is
• 4160[23:25:50] <allfs> virtualbox: but realistically i need to use visual studio
• 4161[23:25:54] <allfs> err definitely i mean
• 4162[23:26:02] <allfs> mrrhq: ooo never heard of it
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• 4164[23:26:50] <allfs> mrrhq: you think this will work in vbox reasonably fast? using a thinkpad x201
• 4165[23:27:31] <markybob> allfs: i've never had visual studio work reasonably fast. they don't have things like ccache
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• 4167[23:27:50] <allfs> markybob: yea i'm not a fan. that code generation though
• 4168[23:27:52] <mrrhq> ThinkPad X201t user here. :p
• 4169[23:27:54] <mrrhq> Nice.
• 4170[23:27:57] <allfs> <3
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• 4172[23:28:36] <mrrhq> Yeah, I think it'll work fast enough, not as fast as when I ran and installed Windows 2000 though, for running nostalgic games.
• 4173[23:28:57] <mrrhq> allfs: Not a lot of people have heard about it, in general.
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• 4175[23:29:31] <allfs> can I use visual studio?
• 4176[23:29:44] <allfs> because I think I can handle those specs lol
• 4177[23:29:50] <mrrhq> allfs: Yes, but only versions that would work with XP.
• 4178[23:29:58] <markybob> allfs: 2015? hell no
• 4179[23:30:01] <allfs> hmmmm
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• 4182[23:30:11] <allfs> i wonder if I actually need 2015
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• 4184[23:30:33] <markybob> allfs: anyway this is getting offtopic. you do what you need to do with your windows :P
• 4185[23:31:01] <allfs> markybob: i feel like i'm cheating on muh debian :(
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• 4187[23:31:22] <mrrhq> Kind of? :)
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• 4189[23:32:17] <allfs> i should just drop my software engineering class then :P
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• 4192[23:32:45] <markybob> allfs: no one is saying that. it's just offtopic. do what you need to do like we've said.
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• 4194[23:33:16] <allfs> i'm joking man :) i'll stop derailing the channel!
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• 4200[23:34:26] <Azrael_-> allfs: i think there was a freeware alternative ide for c#. think there was also a linux-binary available
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• 4202[23:34:41] <Azrael_-> (didn't read everything from start)
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• 4211[23:35:53] <Azrael_-> *sharpdevelop*
• 4212[23:35:59] <allfs> Azrael_-: heh there's no way for me to escape on this one
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• 4214[23:36:13] <Azrael_-> hehe, ok. i'm also stuck on windows for my desktop
• 4215[23:36:35] <mrrhq> Apparently Eclipse has a C# plugin, neat.
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• 4219[23:37:06] <mrrhq> Every time somebody asks for an IDE, I can't help but say Vim/Emacs.
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• 4221[23:37:20] <Azrael_-> mrrhq: you're evil :)
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• 4224[23:37:36] <Ozymandias117> I mean, that's what I use. Admittedly with quite a few plugins.
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• 4227[23:38:04] <teraflops> Nope. we all are talivims
• 4228[23:38:18] <mrrhq> Azrael_-: Not evil, evim. ;)
• 4229[23:38:20] <allfs> mrrhq: i haven't used not-emacs before
• 4230[23:38:33] <allfs> literally never used an ide man
• 4231[23:38:50] <allfs> unless you count ecb
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• 4236[23:39:33] <mrrhq> allfs: That poor class is tortuing you to use VS.
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• 4242[23:40:30] <allfs> it's a nightmare man. i haven't used windows more than a few times in the last 5 years
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• 4246[23:41:09] <virtualbox> markybob replaced-url
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• 4253[23:42:56] <markybob> virtualbox yeah. what part of pipelight doesn't work anymore didn't you understand?
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• 4255[23:43:20] <virtualbox> sorry i missed that
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• 4257[23:45:13] <virtualbox> it does look like other browers will soon be implementing the html5 code though
• 4258[23:45:22] <virtualbox> i gues you will just have to wait
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• 4260[23:45:28] <virtualbox> *guess
• 4261[23:46:40] <allfs> why not just use chrome?
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• 4264[23:47:27] <markybob> allfs: there are some reporting/calling home concerns but if you need netflix you do use chrome. you have to.
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• 4280[23:52:30] <mrrhq> Netflix, "not needed."
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• 4282[23:52:49] <mrrhq> Not need.
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• 4286[23:54:43] <markybob> mrrhq: who are you to say? maybe they have a waiting room of people a doctor's office that they need to entertain. or a really fucking annoying child at home
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• 4292[23:58:45] <mrrhq> The Annoying Child Paradigm... A kids story! Ages 6-and-up.
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• 4295[23:59:53] <mrrhq> So on the subject of Debian, will we ever see better Wayland support sometime?
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