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• 1[00:00:28] <luxio> jmcnaught: The wifi is working
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• 4[00:00:39] <luxio> So this log will definitely log any errors from when it goes down?
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• 7[00:01:05] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: are you adding it by running "crontab -e" as root? you could always try it and see. there's also /etc/cron.d and /etc/cron.daily etc on debian systems
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• 9[00:01:40] <mirokai> thank you for helping me and everybody a good night!
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• 11[00:01:59] <jmcnaught> luxio: journald logs everything on the system. sometimes you need to increase log levels for a particular tool to get more details
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• 13[00:02:18] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, yes im doing this as root running " crontab -e " what is /etc/cron.daily ? can i just add commands there and they will run everyday ?
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• 15[00:03:18] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: you can put scripts in those directories. have you read "man cron" yet?
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• 19[00:03:41] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, honestly nope.. i been using google to learn crontab
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• 21[00:03:52] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, i go ahead and do that :)
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• 23[00:04:14] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: the documentation on your system is usually more helpful than random stuff that google finds
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• 26[00:05:01] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, yeah you are correct the down side is that man pages can be 100 pages long when google can give you an simple solusion in 10 lines
• 27[00:05:10] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, but i understand your point :)
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• 33[00:06:02] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: there's something to be said for understanding the tools you're using versus repeating a command or two like it's a magic spell beyond your control
• 34[00:06:17] <Mathisen> that is true
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• 39[00:06:50] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: anyways, i don't always read all of the man pages, but i'll at least skim them so i know where to look for stuff if i need it later
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• 42[00:08:00] <genoobie> hey all
• 43[00:08:04] <genoobie> I am installing debian again
• 44[00:08:10] <genoobie> I'm using the ncurses menu
• 45[00:08:23] <bluszcz> anyone caan help with deb package DESTDIR etc?
• 46[00:08:36] <genoobie> anyhow, the machine is asking for non-free firmware (b43)
• 47[00:08:58] <genoobie> it says "b43/ucode5.fw and b43-open/ucode5.fw
• 48[00:09:12] <genoobie> I tried googling for that fw but I couldn't find those files
• 49[00:09:43] <genoobie> it wants me to put them on removable media but I am working off of a chromebook so my extraction options are limited
• 50[00:09:50] <genoobie> anyhow, any help would be appreciated
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• 54[00:11:11] <cHawk-> you could try using an image with non-free firmware included: replaced-url
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• 57[00:13:02] <alphazulu> does nginx work with php?
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• 62[00:14:08] <teraflops> alphazulu: it does not work for you?
• 63[00:14:17] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: sure. i think most people use php5-fpm with nginx
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• 66[00:14:28] <alphazulu> actually i just found a link about php-fpm which is supposed to be the way
• 67[00:14:40] <jmcnaught> genoobie: installation using an ethernet connection is not an option?
• 68[00:14:51] <alphazulu> i've never tried nginx and setting up new server. decided to try it out over apache
• 69[00:14:57] <genoobie> well, it's probably a bit too complex for me jmbarbier
• 70[00:15:02] <genoobie> I mean jmcnaught
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• 75[00:15:37] <genoobie> I have a "live" disk on a USB drive.
• 76[00:15:47] <jmcnaught> bluszcz: i can refer you to some guides for packaging if you haven't seem them already. replaced-url
• 77[00:16:09] <jmcnaught> genoobie: a live disk, or a debian installer?
• 78[00:16:19] <genoobie> Well a debian installer on a live disk
• 79[00:16:36] <jmcnaught> genoobie: you're confusing. which iso image did you use?
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• 82[00:17:54] <genoobie> replaced-url
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• 84[00:18:14] <genoobie> I used the debian-live-8.4.0-amd64-xfce-desktop+nonfree.iso
• 85[00:18:28] <genoobie> it says it should have the non-free on there...
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• 89[00:19:21] <jmcnaught> genoobie: it's recommended to use an installer image, not a live disk for the installation. you want to use one from here: replaced-url
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• 93[00:20:34] <jmcnaught> genoobie: you should also at least skim the install manaual: replaced-url
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• 96[00:21:58] <genoobie> jmcnaught: here's what I don't understand.
• 97[00:22:12] <genoobie> The live CD probably has many of the packages I want and maybe a bit of cruft
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• 101[00:22:56] <genoobie> the installer is prompting me for firmware from USB stick or floppy. b43/ucode5.fw and b43-open/ucode5.fw
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• 103[00:23:12] <genoobie> so why can't I just find a download and put that on a USB stick and be done?
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• 105[00:24:37] <jmcnaught> genoobie: you *can* put the firmwares on a usb stick, it is documented in chapter 6.4 of the install manual
• 106[00:25:09] <jmcnaught> genoobie: if you use the netinst installer image, it actually leaves a second partition on the usb stick that can be used for this purpose
• 107[00:26:01] <jmcnaught> genoobie: also note that if you want to boot your computer with UEFI the live images cannot do this, only the installer has support for that.
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• 111[00:27:22] <Guest79962> i downloaded the debian dvd and put on usb stick - however synaptic is looking for the CD location. what would i use in synaptic so its sees the usb repo?
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• 116[00:28:56] <bluszcz> jmcnaught: thank you, I tried this but haven't found solution for my issue
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• 118[00:29:41] <jmcnaught> Guest79962: does this computer not have a network connection? most people use network mirrors. apt does support using "file" repos, there are details in "man sources.list"
• 119[00:29:42] <genoobie> jmcnaught: okay, I downloaded the firmware.zip and they're all .deb files...
• 120[00:29:44] <Guest79962> i should note this is for offline use - hence needing the local repo
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• 125[00:30:39] <Guest79962> ah, well if i actually use a dvd its fine - just wondering how to config with usb
• 126[00:31:24] <jmcnaught> genoobie: is it a "b43" wireless card?
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• 129[00:31:42] <genoobie> that's what it is asking for...
• 130[00:31:50] <genoobie> b43/ucode5.fw
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• 132[00:32:04] <genoobie> 4311 iirc
• 133[00:32:12] <Guest79962> curious - the debian manual is where i got the 'file://" command from
• 134[00:32:54] <genoobie> so jmcnaught if I use the "xfce" disk from the link you gave me that's an "installer" correct?
• 135[00:33:07] <genoobie> I should be able to download and unpack stuff at the install, right?
• 136[00:33:09] <jmcnaught> genoobie: you're probably going to need to find those files and put the .fw files on your install medium. The debian packages don't include the firmware. When you install the debian packages they download the firmware files from the broadcom website. replaced-url
• 137[00:33:57] <genoobie> I'm willing to give it a go from the link you gave me
• 138[00:34:14] <genoobie> The idea is I'll be able to pick and choose (a bit) for the hardware....
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• 140[00:34:20] <jmcnaught> genoobie: in order for the debian package to be able to do that, it needs a network connection. this is why it might be easier to use an ethernet cable. if that's not possible, you'll need to find the ucode5.fw file and put it on a USB stick as described in chatper 6.4 of the install manual
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• 142[00:35:01] <genoobie> I followed the directions at the end of the manual, I haven't ended up with a ucode5.fw file on my usb stick
• 143[00:35:25] <genoobie> I downloaded the firmware.zip and there were simply a bunch of .deb files there
• 144[00:35:31] <genoobie> no ucode5.fw
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• 146[00:35:42] <jmcnaught> Guest79962: you probably want a line in /etc/apt/sources.list like "deb file:/path/to/usb jessie main contrib non-free" but if the usb stick is not going to be plugged in all the time you should consider not doing this
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• 148[00:36:21] <jmcnaught> genoobie: once again, Debian cannot distribue that file. Broadcom has a copyright on it, and doesn't let Debian redistribute it. Find the file on the Braodcom website, or install using an ethernet cable.
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• 152[00:37:23] <genoobie> okay, that's kind of what I was asking before. With the link you gave me I'm going to create a bootable USB disk and use the ethernet cable and install this way. Hopefully then I won't get the wrong nvidia driver as well if I can isntall stuff manually
• 153[00:38:09] <genoobie> debian-8.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso from the link you gave me would work, right?
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• 159[00:40:09] <jmcnaught> genoobie: if that's from replaced-url
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• 161[00:40:29] <Guest79962> jmcnaught - thx - i did try that before with sucess - just figured its probably a little more common problem as usb is popular install using dvd images...
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• 163[00:40:41] <Guest79962> i mean w/o sucess
• 164[00:41:40] <Guest79962> no bandwidth here -lucky to get 30KB down
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• 167[00:42:20] <luxio> jmcnaught, my internet is fine now?
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• 169[00:42:27] <jmcnaught> Guest79962: i think with cdroms APT knows to ask you to insert the CDROM, where with a file repo it will probably expect that path to always exist
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• 173[00:43:26] <Guest79962> ah ok - well i always carry the backup dvd anyway - so thats at least one solution
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• 178[00:44:36] <Guest79962> i'll have to try that next time - dvd is on the verge of failing - but will do in the meantime
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• 189[00:48:26] <jmcnaught> luxio: hurray for magic!
• 190[00:48:44] <luxio> jmcnaught, I think something might eventually happen
• 191[00:48:57] <luxio> It must just be taking a while
• 192[00:49:21] <siac> Hi kde can't hide kaccesibleapp from system tray
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• 194[00:49:36] <jmcnaught> luxio: when it does, try to capture the logs or at least make a note of when it happened so you can find the logs later
• 195[00:49:51] <luxio> will do.
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• 213[01:02:55] <BottomNotch> I'm trying to install Jessie on a laptop and I got a message
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• 216[01:04:01] <Iridos> better than being lonely, I guess
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• 221[01:05:21] <BottomNotch> that I need certain firmware, iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode, iwlwifi-5000-4.ucode, iwlwifi-5000-3.ucode, iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode, iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode and I found iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode, and iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode on replaced-url
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• 224[01:05:48] <BottomNotch> but where can I find *3.ucode and *4.ucode?
• 225[01:06:17] <jmcnaught> BottomNotch: replaced-url
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• 227[01:06:47] <Iridos> I only see 2 and 5 ... in the firmware-iwlwifi package
• 228[01:07:13] <BottomNotch> Iridos: hmmmm
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• 231[01:08:03] <jmcnaught> BottomNotch: do you know which model it is? if you run "lspci -nn | grep -i net" in tty2, it'll give you a pciid like [1234:abcd] that we can look up
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• 234[01:09:22] <Iridos> jmcnaught, oh, nice... that looks much better than the last time I saw the install guide
• 235[01:09:38] <Iridos> even mentiones the unofficial images
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• 237[01:10:23] <jmcnaught> Iridos: yeah, that's why i link to it instead of the firmware iso now. people can still find the firmware iso, and they get a better understanding of what's going on
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• 240[01:10:45] <luxio> jmcnaught, it happened between 18:59:00 and 19:04:00
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• 245[01:11:47] <jmcnaught> luxio: "journalctl --since -15min"
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• 247[01:12:56] <luxio2> jmcnaught: that dropped again
• 248[01:13:15] <luxio2> jmcnaught: if you said anything, i didn't get it
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• 252[01:13:41] <jmcnaught> luxio: I said "journalctl --since -15min" or for example if you wanted the last 100 lines of the previous boot "journalctl -b -1 -100"
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• 255[01:14:18] <BottomNotch_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 257[01:14:49] <jmcnaught> ,pciid 8086:4237
• 258[01:14:50] <judd> [8086:4237] is 'PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 267[01:16:42] <jmcnaught> BottomNotch_: you probably just need to follow the instructions in install manual chapter i linked above. basically download the firmware tarball linked on that page, unpack it to another usb stick. or use the unofficial firmware iso that is also mentioned in that chapter
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• 277[01:18:29] <BottomNotch> jmcnaught, ok thanks!
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• 281[01:19:58] <luxio2> jmcnaught: I see some stuff about the internet
• 282[01:19:59] <luxio2> so i hope that helps
• 283[01:20:18] <luxio2> trying to get the debian machine's internet back on so i can use pastebinit
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• 287[01:21:55] <jmcnaught> luxio2: you can do stuff like "journalctl > log_of_disconnect.txt" to save it to a file, which you can paste when you reboot and network is back up. also now that you have persistent journals you can access the journals after you reboot. reconnecting with network manager doesn't work at all?
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• 292[01:23:33] <luxio2> jmcnaught: i just use journalctl --since -25min | pastebinit
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• 294[01:23:45] <luxio2> paste.debian.net/426341/
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• 297[01:24:20] <jmcnaught> luxio2: any chance you could stop removing the replaced-url
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• 300[01:24:40] <luxio2> oh sorry
• 301[01:24:41] <luxio2> will do.
• 302[01:25:15] <luxio2> jmcnaught: the second error is because the microwave was on
• 303[01:25:20] <luxio2> that always interferes with the internet
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• 305[01:26:02] <Langley> Hello, is it possible to enable HDMI output automatically when plugging HDMI cable in? In Debian 8 Xfce
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• 312[01:28:31] <luxio2> jmcnaught: what's reason -4?
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• 314[01:28:40] <luxio2> is there like an index of reasons?
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• 318[01:29:45] <jmcnaught> luxio2: i don't know. i assume that you're doing your own web searches on these errors
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• 323[01:31:42] <jmcnaught> luxio2: this is probably related: replaced-url
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• 330[01:33:44] <TheNH813> Got a problem with sound card. Any microphone I plug into my pc, except battery powered ones fails to produce any sound.
• 331[01:34:01] <TheNH813> I think the power supply that powers electret microphones may be dead.
• 332[01:34:12] <TheNH813> You know, the phantom power / dc bias on the card.
• 333[01:34:26] <TheNH813> How can I confirm it's not just a software problem?
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• 336[01:35:22] <genoobie> jmcnaught: okay I downloaded the "xfce" install...should I use the expert instll?
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• 345[01:37:18] <luxio2> jmcnaught: I don't see what they're talking about there
• 346[01:37:42] <genoobie> hrm
• 347[01:37:49] <jmcnaught> genoobie: the expert install asks more questions. you don't need to use expert mode for the stuff described in replaced-url
• 348[01:37:51] <luxio2> jmcnaught: (for the solution)
• 349[01:38:01] <genoobie> okay thanks.
• 350[01:38:03] <luxio2> they're saying to comment out something from a file
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• 352[01:38:12] <luxio2> but I can't locate that file
• 353[01:38:20] <genoobie> I used unetbootin to make a bootable disk
• 354[01:38:41] <genoobie> it seems to have hung when I select install...
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• 356[01:38:51] <markybob> genoobie: yeah you fucked up
• 357[01:38:54] <markybob> !unetbootin
• 358[01:38:54] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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• 360[01:38:58] <jmcnaught> genoobie: don't use that. unetbootin breaks debian installers. please read the install manual
• 361[01:39:11] <markybob> genoobie: werent you linked to the install guide? it said cp image.iso /dev/sdX
• 362[01:39:24] <genoobie> markybob: I don't have a linux machine to do that on
• 363[01:39:32] <markybob> !win32diskimager
• 364[01:39:32] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
• 365[01:39:55] <genoobie> okay so I just apply that to the iso, correect?
• 366[01:40:19] <markybob> you use that to copy the iso to the usb, yes.
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• 368[01:41:23] <jmcnaught> luxio2: it looks like they're discussing making changes to the linux source code, which might be a little advanced for you. what about the workaround in comment 37? replaced-url
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• 375[01:44:09] <luxio> I'm tempted to just buy a new wifi card.
• 376[01:44:10] <luxio> This is BS.
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• 380[01:44:44] <jmcnaught> luxio: might be a good idea. you could also try a newer kernel from backports, but that replaced-url
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• 382[01:45:08] <luxio> yep since 2013
• 383[01:45:11] <luxio> so i don't think there's any hope
• 384[01:45:37] <luxio> where can I find wifi cards that *definitely* work on debian?
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• 388[01:47:20] <jmcnaught> luxio: cards listed here ought to work okay: replaced-url
• 389[01:47:20] <crash_> luxio: if you buy a new card update the firmware from backports to be sure it's supported and kernel of course
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• 409[01:55:12] <cafuego> Your copy & paste licence is hereby revoked.
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• 415[01:57:00] <juan_hernandez> Hi. What free (FLOSS) software can I use to verify the Debian images on _Android_?.
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• 417[01:58:19] <blind> more of an #android question but I think busybox has hash sum tools
• 418[01:58:44] <crash_> juan_hernandez: the easiest way is to verify with md5 on a computer :)
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• 420[01:59:17] <TomTomTosch> * SHA-512
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• 429[02:00:42] <juan_hernandez> crash_: I need to do it in Android since I have no access to a computer with GNU+Linux currently
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• 432[02:01:06] <crash_> juan_hernandez: I see
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• 437[02:02:30] <genoobie> jmcnaught: okay, I guess I totally don't understand. I'm getting the same prompt for missing firmware from the install disk.
• 438[02:02:33] <juan_hernandez> crash_: I will have one such system after I install those images, but not otherwise
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• 442[02:04:06] <jmcnaught> genoobie: did you put that ucode5.fw file on the usb stick?
• 443[02:04:24] <genoobie> jmcnaught: I couldn't find the fw files
• 444[02:04:57] <genoobie> so, no.
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• 447[02:06:19] <jmcnaught> genoobie: are you installing over ethernet cable? you can ignore the warning and deal with it after you reboot into the system
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• 449[02:06:41] <genoobie> jmcnaught: yes, but then the "wl" driver gets installed
• 450[02:06:55] <crash_> juan_hernandez: But if you download the image/s from debian.org they will be safe
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• 452[02:07:02] <genoobie> then I have to apt-get purge broadcomsomethingorotherthatIcannotremember
• 453[02:07:10] <jmcnaught> genoobie: it will be easier to deal with it after you get Debian installed
• 454[02:07:37] <genoobie> that's the same issue with the nvidia card to
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• 456[02:07:46] <juan_hernandez> crash_ i guess so, but id like to verify them for some additional assurance
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• 504[02:38:06] <luxio> So apparently there's only 3 wireless cards that work on my machine with free software.
• 505[02:38:11] <luxio> I can't find a place to buy any of them.
• 506[02:38:19] <luxio> Guess I'm going to have to switch back to windows.
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• 510[02:39:53] <jmcnaught> luxio: there are more that will work with firmwares. if you shop around for wifi cards, just make sure to do a search for the model + linux before purchasing
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• 536[02:56:00] <genoobie> okay
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• 538[02:56:20] <genoobie> so jmcnaught I just installed debian
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• 541[02:56:43] <genoobie> now I am trying to install sudo and it's telling me that I need to put a disk in...
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• 544[02:57:10] <Klaudia> whats the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 546[02:57:21] <deego> genoobie: you can use the install disk. but, at least for the long term, go to /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the dvd/cd section
• 547[02:57:37] <markybob> Klaudia: deego he doesn't have internet
• 548[02:57:41] <deego> ah
• 549[02:57:51] <Klaudia> well
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• 551[02:57:57] <deego> genoobie: yes, put the disk in, like it says :)
• 552[02:58:00] <genoobie> markybob: no, I do
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• 554[02:58:05] <genoobie> I commented it out
• 555[02:58:10] <markybob> genoobie: you do now? you got the wifi figured out?
• 556[02:58:19] <markybob> genoobie: that's great. let's see your sources.list then
• 557[02:58:23] <deego> genoobie: now apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade , and apt-get install pkg
• 558[02:58:26] <genoobie> markybob: I'm on a network cable
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• 560[02:58:35] <genoobie> pkg?
• 561[02:58:41] <genoobie> like foo?
• 562[02:58:53] <deego> yes
• 563[02:58:59] <genoobie> gotcha
• 564[02:58:59] <markybob> genoobie: yes he meant foo. i want to see your sources.list though
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• 567[03:00:07] <deego> genoobie: also, make sure the security section is present. Thus, like markybob says, show us your sources.list using a pastebin
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• 569[03:00:52] <Klaudia> I just got here
• 570[03:01:12] <Klaudia> have you run dmesg look for what wifi drivers you'll need
• 571[03:01:23] <Klaudia> have you checked if the packages are available?
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• 573[03:01:58] <genoobie> okay let me install pastebinit
• 574[03:02:12] <genoobie> no sound
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• 576[03:02:14] <genoobie> no wifi
• 577[03:02:21] <genoobie> will get to it though
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• 579[03:02:54] <jmcnaught> genoobie: replaced-url
• 580[03:02:55] <genoobie> yes security is there in sources.list
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• 584[03:03:56] <genoobie> jmcnaught: at least now the conflicting nvidia driver isn't there, just nouveau
• 585[03:04:12] <genoobie> so one problem at a time
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• 588[03:04:35] <jmcnaught> genoobie: yeah, you're in a better place than last night. you'll get it this time
• 589[03:04:37] <genoobie> jmcnaught: I am *loathe* to install the nvidia 304 driver
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• 591[03:04:55] <genoobie> In other words I don't want to end up at the console screen again...
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• 593[03:04:56] <jmcnaught> genoobie: using the nouveau driver that just works automatically is an option
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• 595[03:05:05] <genoobie> jmcnaught: true but it's a bit jerky
• 596[03:05:43] <genoobie> jmcnaught: in theory this should work...right?
• 597[03:05:45] <genoobie> replaced-url
• 598[03:05:46] <jmcnaught> genoobie: i think we figured out last night that the problem was you had tried the 340.xx driver first, and it had left some libraries in place. we probably just could've removed/replaced a couple of packages at that point
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• 600[03:06:12] <genoobie> jmcnaught: no, the 340.96 was the issue.
• 601[03:06:22] <jmcnaught> genoobie: genoobie that's what i meant
• 602[03:06:31] <genoobie> but in any case, if I follow that guide to the letter it should work, right?
• 603[03:06:48] <genoobie> what about blacklisting the nouveau driver?
• 604[03:06:59] <genoobie> it says the installer will take care of this
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• 606[03:07:18] <jmcnaught> genoobie: it ought to, as long as you restrict yourself to the 304 legacy packages. the blacklisting should happen as part of that process
• 607[03:07:29] <lux7676> hi, i installed debian 7.9 and i dont have any wifi, cant play any movies and listen to mp3, could someone help ?
• 608[03:07:39] <lux7676> what went wrong?
• 609[03:07:58] <genoobie> lux7676: look at your dmesg.
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• 611[03:08:27] <lux7676> dmesg?
• 612[03:08:39] <markybob> that's not even the latest wheezy
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• 614[03:09:05] <jmcnaught> genoobie: i'm going to be eating dinner soon so i'll be away. You might consider doing the b43 stuff first, with the instructions on this page: replaced-url
• 615[03:09:19] <lux7676> yeah i know its not the latest but its just not working
• 616[03:09:45] <genoobie> jmcnaught: yep
• 617[03:09:49] <lux7676> im having problem to understand why it wont detect wifi on the device
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• 619[03:09:54] <markybob> lux7676: that's probably why. wifi is tricky. lspci -nn
• 620[03:10:17] <genoobie> jmcnaught: do you have that link to the firmware-b43-installer I seem to recall having to modprobe -r somethingorother
• 621[03:10:19] <lux7676> marybob
• 622[03:10:26] <lux7676> give me a sec i will run the terminal
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• 624[03:10:44] <jmcnaught> genoobie: i just gave you the link to the instructions on the wiki ^^
• 625[03:12:48] <genoobie> Yep, just saw them, thanks a bunch enjoy dinner
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• 627[03:13:05] <lux7676> markybob i runned it
• 628[03:13:07] <lux7676> whats next ?
• 629[03:13:14] <lux7676> its shows some info
• 630[03:13:16] <markybob> lux7676: you show it to us. pastebin it
• 631[03:13:23] <markybob> !pastebin
• 632[03:13:23] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 635[03:13:36] <genoobie> wifi is up
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• 637[03:14:15] <genoobie> man debian+xfce is fast...
• 638[03:14:31] <markybob> genoobie: yeah that's what i use :)
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• 640[03:15:10] <genoobie> markybob: It's real nice
• 641[03:15:19] <genoobie> that's why I don't want to go to a unity, etc.
• 642[03:15:22] <genoobie> seems so slow
• 643[03:15:47] <markybob> i'm a veteran sailor from the military and i don't have enough curse words for unity
• 644[03:15:54] <lux7676> markybob is there any specific line that i should be looking at because it says some stuff about the ethernet controller, network controller
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• 650[03:17:00] <markybob> lux7676: we need to see it. can you just pastebin it?
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• 652[03:17:44] <lux7676> markybob i have it on another computer :)
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• 655[03:18:10] <lux7676> if i had debian here i would not be able to talk to you even since nothing works lol
• 656[03:18:42] <markybob> lux7676: with knowing absolutely nothing since i can't get info from you i'd say you needed to use the firmware installer and not the one you used. so get this one replaced-url
• 657[03:19:00] <markybob> lux7676: it includes most wifi firmwares and it should "just work"
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• 660[03:20:17] <lux7676> markybob
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• 662[03:20:29] <lux7676> is this the new version of debian ?
• 663[03:20:54] <markybob> lux7676: it's the stable version of debian.
• 664[03:21:01] <lux7676> ohhh
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• 667[03:21:37] <lux7676> is it as secure as the one i have now ?
• 668[03:21:56] <markybob> lux7676: more so
• 669[03:22:16] <markybob> lux7676: you have 7.9 which isn't even the latest oldstable. so you have security problems
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• 671[03:23:02] <lux7676> oh ok
• 672[03:23:03] <lux7676> question for you
• 673[03:23:54] <lux7676> the new 64 bit version is like only 266mb for the whole system
• 674[03:24:14] <lux7676> i remember the 7.9 was like over 640 mb
• 675[03:24:22] <markybob> lux7676: for the base system, yes. it downloads whatever else you select in the installer.
• 676[03:24:29] <mo1991reg> !netinstall
• 677[03:24:29] <dpkg> hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
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• 679[03:24:49] <lux7676> oh
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• 683[03:27:04] <lux7676> markybob i remember it took over 12 hours to install it, is this usually that long with all versions of debian ?
• 684[03:27:26] <dvs> lawd!
• 685[03:27:43] <markybob> lux7676: it all depends if you use encryption, if so how large your hd is (yes it can take that long to erase) and how fast your internet is
• 686[03:28:04] <lux7676> oh
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• 688[03:28:11] <lux7676> yeah thats why probably
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• 691[03:29:05] <lux7676> i like that it is designed that way because it shows that it is doing the job correctly
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• 694[03:29:37] <genoobie> markybob: okay, I've installed the nvidia304 driver
• 695[03:30:08] <markybob> genoobie: oh i'm not the one you want to talk to about this. i don't really know nvidia.
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• 697[03:30:18] <genoobie> just want to be sure...to make this driver work I need a 3 line xorg.conf file as shown here...would that more or less be it? replaced-url
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• 700[03:31:02] <markybob> genoobie: as a general rule i follow the wiki, yes
• 701[03:31:43] <genoobie> This is the page step "3" directs from. replaced-url
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• 704[03:32:11] <genoobie> the only thing I don't like in the wiki is the install of nvidia-xconfig (it's version 340.96 I am using 304.131)
• 705[03:32:28] <genoobie> so there's "manual" but it seems too east?
• 706[03:32:31] <genoobie> easy?
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• 714[03:34:23] <markybob> genoobie: wait...what? 304.131?
• 715[03:34:53] <genoobie> yes
• 716[03:34:59] <genoobie> markybob: why?
• 717[03:35:00] <markybob> genoobie: i don't even know how that's possible or what that means. jessie has 340.96-1
• 718[03:35:15] <markybob> i don't know how that happens.
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• 720[03:36:01] <markybob> it sounds like you did something amazing
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• 723[03:36:27] <TomTomTosch> it's the shitty legacy driver.
• 724[03:36:49] <TomTomTosch> genoobie has been here yesterdey and fucked up his system somehow..
• 725[03:37:18] <TomTomTosch> genoobie, you did a clean install?
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• 727[03:38:56] <karlpinc> lux7676: The proper way to encrypt a disk is to first fill it with random numbers. This can take forever, mostly involving generating the random numbers.
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• 731[03:40:05] <lux7676> karlpinc ohh so debain is usign something like dban before it encrypts the drive ?
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• 733[03:40:22] <TomTomTosch> genoobie, you don't need nvidia-xconfig
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• 735[03:40:32] <markybob> lux7676: technically /dev/urandom
• 736[03:40:45] <markybob> iirc
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• 738[03:41:21] <lux7676> oh
• 739[03:41:45] <lux7676> markybob do you know if that version of debian 8.4 is supporting avi files?
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• 742[03:42:19] <markybob> lux7676: sure. you might want to install ffmpeg from jessie-backports though
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• 745[03:42:50] <lux7676> oh
• 746[03:43:02] <markybob> !tell lux7676 about jessie-backports
• 747[03:43:30] <lux7676> im always scared to install something because i dont know what that could be so i like to always have what the system already has
• 748[03:43:57] <markybob> lux7676: backports is okay. replaced-url
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• 751[03:45:03] <lux7676> oh ok
• 752[03:46:40] <lux7676> markybob for this link replaced-url
• 753[03:46:42] <genoobie> TomTomTosch: Yes
• 754[03:46:57] <lux7676> is there a way i can verify their iso signature ?
• 755[03:46:59] <genoobie> I did a clean install with a bona-fide install disk (rather than a live)
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• 757[03:47:55] <markybob> lux7676: in replaced-url
• 758[03:47:56] <genoobie> okay here goes the reboot.
• 759[03:48:03] <TomTomTosch> good luck ;D
• 760[03:48:23] <genoobie> TomTomTosch: is that driver really worse than the nouveau?
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• 764[03:49:14] <lux7676> markybob thanks so much
• 765[03:49:26] <genoobie> holy effing crap it worked
• 766[03:49:28] <TomTomTosch> genoobie, my opinion on non-free graphics drivers would get me banned from this channel.
• 767[03:49:58] <markybob> TomTomTosch: yes +1
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• 769[03:50:19] <genoobie> So the non-free drivers suck?
• 770[03:50:50] <markybob> they will break your system. it's not a question of if. when.
• 771[03:51:15] <markybob> it's really fucking annoying
• 772[03:51:27] <genoobie> argh!
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• 774[03:51:46] <genoobie> well I'm playing back a video on youtube it's noticeably clearer.
• 775[03:52:10] <genoobie> This machine is so old I'm surprised it works at all
• 776[03:52:12] <genoobie> anyhow
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• 778[03:52:35] <awal1> If one mayb e banned or I dont know what if he gives an opinion about non-free packages available in debian system/project that would not be nice
• 779[03:52:45] <genoobie> so the last hurdle seems to be sound
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• 782[03:53:32] <markybob> awal1: we're not ops or giving even a real opinion. just voicing how insanely fucking frustrating it is
• 783[03:53:36] <genoobie> when I installed from the "live" disk the sound worked, stupid me I should've written down the pastebin link from yesterday that had the dmesg because that probably had the "sound"
• 784[03:53:47] <markybob> awal1: especially when people who know what they're doing don't use them
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• 786[03:54:29] <TomTomTosch> awal1: *banned for the profanity
• 787[03:54:37] <awal1> markybob, I understand ,
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• 789[03:55:03] <markybob> genoobie: i think i talked to you about pavucontrol yesterday? i don't remember. did that work?
• 790[03:55:14] <genoobie> I didn't try it if I recall
• 791[03:55:23] <genoobie> I had sound maybe with "hdaudio?
• 792[03:55:29] <genoobie> looking for the pastebin now.
• 793[03:55:36] <markybob> my wife doesn't even listen to me
• 794[03:55:41] <markybob> smoke break i guess
• 795[03:55:43] <awal1> TomTomTosch, it's hard to run debian completely free of non-free stuff in laptops
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• 799[03:57:18] <TomTomTosch> awal1: depends on the hardware. and does not change the fact that the drivers suck.
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• 802[03:59:01] <TomTomTosch> had a bcm chip recently that could not use enterprise WPA2. half-assed drivers from the vendor.
• 803[03:59:17] <awal1> TomTomTosch, I 'm running debian in a laptop originally shiped with windows8. i just formated it and used it for debian. and I need some non-free stuff. but next time, now that I know how things work, I will not buy a machine which need nonfree. thats what I meant
• 804[03:59:29] <genoobie> okay
• 805[04:01:06] <TomTomTosch> awal1, i am confused why you tell me that, but i guess you are right.. some things need non-free drivers.
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• 810[04:01:44] <awal1> ofcourse non-free driers are a big shit . I have 2 machines : 1 uses atheros free driver for wifi and I have 100% of connection; other uses iwlwifi and I get half
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• 812[04:02:39] <genoobie> okay
• 813[04:03:13] <genoobie> I was looking at the lspci -nn and I see that I have a MCP51 hidef audio controller
• 814[04:03:15] <awal1> excuses guys, I havent followed the whole topic, never mind (Y)
• 815[04:03:34] <TomTomTosch> no worries ;D
• 816[04:03:37] <genoobie> how do I see what driver debian is using
• 817[04:03:56] <TomTomTosch> lspci -nnk
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• 819[04:05:04] <TomTomTosch> or lsmod if you want every module.
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• 860[04:19:23] <luxio> What kernel does the latest debian use
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• 864[04:19:54] <markybob> luxio: 3.16 or 4.4 from jessie-backports
• 865[04:20:04] <luxio> dman
• 866[04:20:15] <luxio> found a wifi dongle but I need to get the right kernel version
• 867[04:20:27] <luxio> s/dman/damn
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• 869[04:20:47] <markybob> luxio: you're saying 4.4 can't do it?
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• 873[04:21:04] <luxio> markybob: Some wifi dongles say they work with specific kernel version
• 874[04:21:06] <luxio> like 3.19
• 875[04:21:13] <luxio> Is it bad to stay on a specific kernel?
• 876[04:21:37] <markybob> luxio: sure. there are security issues.
• 877[04:22:02] <TomTomTosch> it will probably mean >=3.19
• 878[04:22:24] <markybob> luxio: TomTomTosch is right
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• 881[04:23:03] <luxio> Oh?
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• 884[04:23:41] <luxio> replaced-url
• 885[04:23:51] <markybob> luxio: "probably" is the keyword. there are things that break with every single kernel release. like vmware
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• 890[04:26:12] <nevyn> vendor drivers eereplaced-url
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• 899[04:30:23] <TomTomTosch> luxio, why not the driver that is packaged for debian?
• 900[04:30:43] <luxio> TomTomTosch: Huh?
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• 902[04:31:10] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
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• 904[04:31:19] <skytrash> yeah tell me about it, ath10K and synaptic drivers
• 905[04:31:21] <skytrash> ugh
• 906[04:31:45] <skytrash> thats a shit driver
• 907[04:31:51] <skytrash> wont go into monitor mode
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• 910[04:33:36] <luxio> Now what about these "raspberry pi" dongles?
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• 912[04:33:52] <skytrash> have you looked into penguin
• 913[04:34:03] <TheWarden> Hello
• 914[04:34:06] <skytrash> its atheros chipset
• 915[04:34:19] <TheWarden> I've installed nvidia driver but didn't install it from backports.
• 916[04:34:20] <skytrash> the firmware is in raspbian and debian
• 917[04:34:27] <TheWarden> Can I upgrade the packages some how?
• 918[04:34:37] <skytrash> vendor driver
• 919[04:34:38] <skytrash> heh
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• 923[04:36:28] <jmcnaught> TheWarden: how did you install the nvidia driver?
• 924[04:36:28] <skytrash> TheWarden: i have seen a lot of nvidia driver installs on the intertubes
• 925[04:36:51] <TheWarden> jmcnaught: sudo aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 926[04:36:53] <skytrash> TheWarden: your going to have to blacklist your intel card if your using it
• 927[04:37:31] <TheWarden> skytrash: yeah I have it installed.. and I don't have intel. Anyways nouveau is blacklisted. That's not my question.
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• 930[04:38:16] <luxio> TomTomTosch: So, I'm about to buy this
• 931[04:38:21] <luxio> are you absolutely sure that the link is correct
• 932[04:38:27] <TheWarden> jmcnaught: I didn't realize I didn't have backports added to sources.list when I installed. So can I upgrade some how or have to uninstall and re-install?
• 933[04:38:46] <skytrash> TheWarden: right, i have updated through the nvidia driver from their website
• 934[04:38:52] <TomTomTosch> luxio, why not buy one that has free software support?
• 935[04:39:00] <markybob> skytrash: stop
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• 937[04:39:06] <luxio> TomTomTosch: Like?
• 938[04:39:07] <jelly> TheWarden: follow the instructions for backports. aptitude -t jessie-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms
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• 940[04:39:10] <markybob> skytrash: don't give advice that's not supported
• 941[04:39:24] <jmcnaught> TheWarden: you should be able to upgrade to the packages in backports. it's important to make sure that you have a linux-headers-amd64 that matches the linux-image-amd64 package installed (same versions). Also maybe don't fix what isn't broken?
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• 943[04:39:38] <TomTomTosch> luxio, you can check with replaced-url
• 944[04:39:46] <skytrash> TheWarden: was going to throw that out there as an issue
• 945[04:39:52] <markybob> luxio: looks like it's okay to me
• 946[04:40:22] <TomTomTosch> luxio, the cards with yes should make no problems. if you find a card that is not listed you can just google and check for linux support.
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• 948[04:40:44] <TheWarden> jmcnaught: it is broken... the video driver version is not supported for the GeForce GTX 980 Ti.
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• 951[04:41:48] <jmcnaught> TheWarden: okay. well jelly pointed you in the right direction. just remember that if you install a new kernel from backports you also need the headers from backports too
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• 953[04:43:33] <joaumg> Not a debian question but I don't have permission to message on the #freenode channel, so, can anyone say how do I obtain a cloak (vhost) ?
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• 957[04:44:11] <luxio> TomTomTosch: How's this? replaced-url
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• 959[04:44:33] <markybob> joaumg: you need to have a registered nick /msg nickserv help then go to #freenode and ask an admin for mask
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• 961[04:45:10] <luxio> joaumg: To get permission to speak, you have to idle on the channel for 5 minutes
• 962[04:45:13] <luxio> (or less)
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• 965[04:45:47] <joaumg> luxio: nice. thanks.
• 966[04:46:00] <joaumg> markybob: thanks
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• 968[04:46:03] <luxio> joaumg: Yeah, I guess it's a spam prevention thing
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• 970[04:46:15] <luxio> joaumg: I think there's a bot that eventually lets you speak
• 971[04:46:20] <luxio> (on #freenode of course)
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• 975[04:47:17] <genoobie> okay here's the dumbest thiing
• 976[04:47:25] <genoobie> I plugged in the headphones
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• 979[04:47:52] <TomTomTosch> luxio: i'm trying to cook atm, so i can't check. but if you can find it for a fair price i'm sure it's fine.
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• 981[04:47:56] <genoobie> I could hear the sound through them, when I unplugged them the sound was working in Debian
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• 985[04:49:31] <jmcnaught> genoobie: it was a test, and you just passed :)
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• 994[04:52:04] <TomTomTosch> luxio: do you want a usb dongle or a mini pci card?
• 995[04:52:17] <luxio> TomTomTosch: usb dongle
• 996[04:52:55] <skytrash> and small one?
• 997[04:53:01] <skytrash> a small one?
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• 999[04:53:05] <luxio> skytrash: i dont care
• 1000[04:53:13] <luxio> skytrash: i don't want the placebo antenna though
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• 1003[04:53:44] <skytrash> do you need it to go into monitor mode?
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• 1005[04:53:57] <luxio> skytrash: what's that?
• 1006[04:54:15] <skytrash> then no
• 1007[04:54:20] <skytrash> replaced-url
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• 1011[04:54:33] <skytrash> thats a cheap small guy
• 1012[04:54:52] <luxio> they're like $30 on ebay whatddya mean cheap
• 1013[04:55:03] <skytrash> thats not cheap?
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• 1015[04:55:16] <TomTomTosch> no...
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• 1017[04:55:40] <luxio> skytrash: well there's other ones for like $5-$10
• 1018[04:56:02] <skytrash> word
• 1019[04:56:25] <skytrash> i like to do some wifi stuff and need my shit to go into mon mode
• 1020[04:56:37] <skytrash> they one will
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• 1022[04:57:11] <dioz> buy a router from your local for sale site that you can install dd wrt on
• 1023[04:57:20] <genoobie> ugh wifi stopped working...grrr...stupid
• 1024[04:57:38] <TomTomTosch> luxio: what do you mean by placebo antenna?
• 1025[04:57:57] <TomTomTosch> luxio: you mean ones that have a fake antenna?
• 1026[04:58:08] <skytrash> replaced-url
• 1027[04:58:10] <markybob> dioz: how do you think that's gonna help him getting a working wifi adapter on his laptop?
• 1028[04:58:14] <skytrash> thats the other guy i use
• 1029[04:58:16] <luxio> TomTomTosch: yes
• 1030[04:58:20] <luxio> the ones that are just plastic tubes
• 1031[04:58:23] <zinx> wifi antenna, 3dB gain, 3dB insertion loss
• 1032[04:58:26] <luxio> that just waste space
• 1033[04:58:34] <markybob> luxio: i suggest you ignore everyone but TomTomTosch. i'm going to bed.
• 1034[04:58:49] <TomTomTosch> good night
• 1035[04:59:32] <TomTomTosch> luxio: 5ghz needed?
• 1036[05:00:13] <dioz> markybob he just needs to use the ethernet adapter then
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• 1053[05:04:14] <TomTomTosch> interestingly, some wifi dongles that are advertised as rpi accessories, have no free software support.
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• 1055[05:05:03] <luxio> TomTomTosch: not needed
• 1056[05:05:07] <luxio> but it would be nice
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• 1059[05:08:08] <skytrash> yeah bro, there are some many out there, it depends on what you need, 5gz, do you need to use it on an AC network? size, price
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• 1061[05:08:29] <skytrash> i usally go with atheros
• 1062[05:09:26] <skytrash> most linux distros support it, if you go with an ac capable card you might need to update some fireware
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• 1067[05:11:09] <dioz> atheros used to be the way to go
• 1068[05:11:18] <dioz> cause their chipsets were usually most capable
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• 1070[05:11:27] <dioz> wifi is so cheap now it tends to not matter
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• 1072[05:12:55] <TomTomTosch> the D-Link DWA-160 looks nice if you can find it for cheap.
• 1073[05:12:56] <awal1> How I change 'mpv' mouse actions? I have a standard mouse with only 3 buttons (left, right, middle) and in "man mpv" I see "Mouse Control
• 1074[05:12:56] <awal1> button 3 and button 4 Seek backward/forward 1 minute. button 5 and button 6 Decrease/increase volume." Right now scrolling with middle mouse button mpv seeks backward/forward 1 minute, right button pauses the video file and lest button does nothing. I want use left and right mouse button for increase/decrease volume. Any clue?
• 1075[05:13:39] <awal1> left button does nothing ^
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• 1077[05:14:47] <awal1> no I have not /mpv.config or in ~.config or /etc as the manual says
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• 1081[05:15:06] <TomTomTosch> luxio, or D-Link DWA-126 if you don't need dualband.
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• 1085[05:15:26] <awal1> excuses: i dont have ~/.config/mpv or /etc/mpv.config files here as the manual says
• 1086[05:17:12] <jmcnaught> awal1: create ~/.config/mpv then, there might be examples in /usr/share/doc/mpv
• 1087[05:17:24] <dioz> luxio: alfa has extremely capable and supported chipsets
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• 1103[05:20:52] <awal1> jmcnaught, ok, thanks. looked at example.conf in /doc and no reference to mouse/keyboard actions. thanks anyway
• 1104[05:21:03] <TomTomTosch> luxio, AR9271 should be supported out of the box and are pretty cheap on ebay.
• 1105[05:21:31] <awal1> seems that one have to config/reconfig both mplayer and mpv
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• 1107[05:21:43] <awal1> big job
• 1108[05:22:08] <jmcnaught> awal1: that example conf can probably be used as a starting point for the ~/.config/mpv file, and then you add the parts you found in the man page
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• 1111[05:22:57] <awal1> jmcnaught, of, ok, I'll check what I can do with all that. thanks for the tips
• 1112[05:22:58] <Pinchiukas> If i changed my install-recommends option, how can I make sure all recommended packages are installed for a package that I already have?
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• 1117[05:27:00] <luxio> TomTomTosch: I bought this replaced-url
• 1118[05:27:45] <awal1> Pinchiukas: a basic way is checking the pkg description : apt/aptitude show pkgname
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• 1121[05:28:35] <TomTomTosch> luxio, okay. that one should work without problems. that's what the debian wiki and h-node say.
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• 1123[05:28:44] <luxio> Let's hope.
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• 1125[05:29:11] <awal1> Pinchiukas, aptitude can tell you which recommends you miss but I no remember the exact argument
• 1126[05:29:13] <jmcnaught> Pinchiukas: you could try "aptitude --with-recommends install <package>". Personally I don't disable recommends globally, only on a case by case basis when the proposed install list looks crazy (which is not often)
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• 1128[05:30:24] <Pinchiukas> How about in the case of KDE? :)
• 1129[05:30:46] <awal1> Pinchiukas, try aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i'
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• 1131[05:31:40] <awal1> that should list all recommended but uninstalled pkgs
• 1132[05:32:10] <awal1> for a specific pkg, no idea xD
• 1133[05:33:07] <Pinchiukas> I guess I'll try just installing them all. Loads of crap I really don't need but maybe KDE will start working at least half-decently.
• 1134[05:33:18] <awal1> replaced-url
• 1135[05:34:47] <Pinchiukas> Oh got, it can't manage to do that now...
• 1136[05:35:16] <awal1> aptitude text interface may be more useful regarding what that link says
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• 1138[05:35:33] <Pinchiukas> Though I guess installing a bunch of bluetooth (which I don't have) or some weird language spelling packages won't fix KDE. :(
• 1139[05:35:35] <jmcnaught> Pinchiukas: one thing you could try is removing the apt configuration for no recommends, then remove the kde meta packages with apt-get (not aptitude), then reinstall the kde meta-package that you want
• 1140[05:35:56] <jmcnaught> Pinchiukas: recommended packages are usually recommended for a good reason :)
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• 1142[05:36:37] <Pinchiukas> How is installing a bluetooth daemon a recommended thing if I don't even have it?
• 1143[05:36:49] <awal1> sometimes too much recommends
• 1144[05:37:12] <awal1> I installed cheese and ended with nautilus and gnome user guide and yelp :)
• 1145[05:37:34] <jmcnaught> Pinchiukas: are you really constrained for space? you can always go back and selectively remove some of the recommended packages later
• 1146[05:37:47] <Pinchiukas> No, I just absolutely hate installing things I don't need.
• 1147[05:37:57] <awal1> i believe thats correct under gnome, since cheese is a gnome stuff
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• 1150[05:38:58] <awal1> probably 'webcamoid' will be a nice replacement for guvcview and cheese soon :)
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• 1155[05:44:13] <Pinchiukas> Does anyone know why every reboot I need to reconfigure my monitor layout, resolution and rearrange things like widgets and panels in KDE?
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• 1158[05:44:43] <Pinchiukas> Also, the "start" menu for some reason opens on the wrong screen.
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• 1165[05:48:56] <awal1> Pinchiukas, are you in stable/jessie?
• 1166[05:49:15] <Pinchiukas> I'm actually Ubuntu 16.04.
• 1167[05:49:23] <awal1> oh
• 1168[05:49:34] <jmcnaught> Pinchiukas: you're in the wrong place then, please go to #ubuntu for support
• 1169[05:49:41] <Pinchiukas> I doubt Jessie would be any different. :)
• 1170[05:50:05] <TomTomTosch> how would you know? different versions, different patches.
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• 1175[05:51:01] <Pinchiukas> Guess I'm off for the nuclear option to just reinstall to Debian/Jessie.
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• 1180[05:52:53] <awal1> Pinchiukas, your best choice is run debian stable branch, codename Jessie right now. I fyou want newest stuff, newest then ubuntu run sid or experimental :D
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• 1182[05:53:17] <jmcnaught> awal1: people shouldn't run experimental
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• 1184[05:53:28] <TomTomTosch> or sid for that matter...
• 1185[05:53:30] <jelly> awal1: experimental is not a full branch that can be "run"
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• 1187[05:53:45] <jelly> you can only add some of it to sid
• 1188[05:54:14] <Pinchiukas> So basically people should be running ancient versions. :)
• 1189[05:54:21] <TomTomTosch> you mean if sid is too stable for your liking?
• 1190[05:54:34] <awal1> who knows, maybe Pinchiukas can pull all its system from experimental
• 1191[05:54:50] <jelly> Pinchiukas: that's correct
• 1192[05:55:00] <Pinchiukas> I doubt even in stable KDE will work decently.
• 1193[05:55:08] <jelly> ancient versions have a known set of bugs
• 1194[05:55:30] <Pinchiukas> You say it like it's a good thing.
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• 1196[05:56:13] <awal1> i find sid more stable then ubuntu anyway
• 1197[05:56:16] <jelly> Pinchiukas: it's a lot better than having to ask why your latest stuff rearranges your desktop on each login
• 1198[05:56:17] * zykotick9 doesn't consider debian stable's software to be "ancient", instead, he considers it "ready"
• 1199[05:56:19] <jmcnaught> Pinchiukas: it's a predicatable thing, nothing wrong with using the same version of stuff that works for a couple of years at a time
• 1200[05:56:32] <TomTomTosch> Pinchiukas, debian stable is what people usually should run. it is exactly that, stable. it is meant for people that value that over newness. you can decide if that's for you.
• 1201[05:56:35] <Pinchiukas> jelly: wanna bet the old stuff does as well?
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• 1203[05:57:14] <awal1> what old means for you?
• 1204[05:57:20] <Pinchiukas> stable
• 1205[05:57:26] <jelly> Pinchiukas: sure, go install debian 8 with kde4 instead of an ubuntu beta with plasma 5, and try to reproduce the issue
• 1206[05:57:50] <jelly> until then, let's keep this channel for actual problems with debian
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• 1208[05:58:40] <Pinchiukas> I just googled for KDE4 screenshots. My god it's awful. :D
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• 1211[05:59:41] <TomTomTosch> no one forces you.
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• 1235[06:17:37] <Pinchiukas> Well I do have to choose something. Otherwise I'll have to go back to Windows.
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• 1292[06:53:46] <ozzloy> i used gparted to create a partition on an sd card. that worked, but when i plug in the sd card, i have to type in my pw to mount. how do i make it automount without authentication?
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• 1296[06:55:51] <kernel_mutex> hi I'm talking about Debian 6.3 , how many DVD's are installation DVD's.
• 1297[06:56:06] <kernel_mutex> Do I need to download full DVD set ?
• 1298[06:56:31] <consolejazz> ozzloy: I've not personally tried it, but this may help you, replaced-url
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• 1300[06:57:04] <TomTomTosch> kernel_mutex, the installation is always on the first dvd. and debian 6 is no longer supported. why not go with the current stable?
• 1301[06:57:04] <kernel_mutex> hi I'm trying to burn 2 images and find out it's oky with that?
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• 1303[06:57:40] <TomTomTosch> kernel_mutex, netinst ist the minimal installation. it is < 300MB.
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• 1322[07:04:32] <consolejazz> Yesterday installed Debian Jessise (i386 lxde) to an old laptop from USB stick. The repos in my `/etc/apt/sources.list` file appears very minimal
• 1323[07:04:36] <consolejazz> replaced-url
• 1324[07:05:28] <consolejazz> Since install of Debian occurred via USB stick and without internet access, lines 1 and 3 of the file were originally uncomment, while 6 and 8 were commented.
• 1325[07:05:47] <consolejazz> What should I have in this file as default repos?
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• 1327[07:07:05] <TomTomTosch> consolejazz: you are missing a few lines.
• 1328[07:07:06] <consolejazz> I checked `/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list`, I should be able to safely use that in place of what's in `/etc/apt/sources.list` now?
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• 1330[07:07:24] <TomTomTosch> !tell consolejazz about sources.list
• 1331[07:07:25] <consolejazz> here's what the ../examples/sources.list is
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• 1335[07:08:17] <consolejazz> replaced-url
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• 1337[07:09:39] <TomTomTosch> consolejazz: the bot sent you instructions. httpredir finds a suitable mirror for you.
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• 1339[07:10:22] <consolejazz> ah yes, thanks
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• 1341[07:10:28] <ozzloy> consolejazz, thanks, i'll try it
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• 1343[07:11:32] <consolejazz> on a related note, the allowance of `non-free` software options is why the FSF doesn't officially endorse Debian right?
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• 1345[07:12:02] <ozzloy> this worked before, all i had to do was insert the sd card and it would be read-writeable by my user
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• 1349[07:15:57] <TomTomTosch> consolejazz: something about the non-free part not being clearly separated once it's added. i think it's rather silly.
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• 1364[07:28:47] <austin987> general linux question that I can't seem to find with google. I've got some Chinese characters (宋体) that corresponds to \x5b8b\x4f53. What cli utility can convert from utf8 TO that format of escape sequence? echo/printf can't, iconv doesn't seem to
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• 1400[07:53:54] <themill> austin987: I'd be doing that sort of thing in python (and probably the level of manipulation above it too)
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• 1402[07:54:40] <austin987> themill, I'd strongly prefer shell, as it is to add to an existing script
• 1403[07:55:40] <themill> There's a lot of coreutils that still thinks that characters are bytes; shell scripting isn't really that great for non-latin1.
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• 1405[07:55:43] <ozzloy> some sd cards require authentication, some don't
• 1406[07:55:52] <ozzloy> how can i tell why?
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• 1416[07:57:23] <pksadiq> looking into auth.log on my test server, I found a line: "Received disconnect from 222.255.174.51: 3: com.jcraft.jsch.JSchException: Auth fail" I haven't installed any java clients for ssh. What does that mean?
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• 1423[08:01:34] <pksadiq> Hm.. openssh just passes the message from the client. This is really hard. So far 7000+ ssh attack attempts in less than 15 hours, and nowhere my IP is published, and no sites hosted!
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• 1427[08:06:02] <nkuttler> pksadiq: welcome to the internet. disable password auth, disable login for accounts that don't need it, use fail2ban, etc
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• 1433[08:07:38] <themill> austin987: you can convert to the byte representation using od; it's not a pretty way of doing it though. There's a chance awk can do this but it might also just eat the multibyte sequence entirely
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• 1437[08:08:08] <unborn> pksadiq: heh is that webserver or just your machine?
• 1438[08:08:10] <austin987> themill, cool, thanks for the tips
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• 1442[08:09:16] <pksadiq> unborn: digital ocean, my credit expires this month. So just testing what I can do with that.
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• 1444[08:10:20] <unborn> pksadiq: you can prevent those ease.. setup ssh keys and forget about those annoyances.I had same issues but I am hosting my sites from home (small sites no more then 50k visits in a week).. ssh keys did resolve that
• 1445[08:11:39] <consolejazz> for command line updates, `apt-get {update,upgrade}` == `aptitude {update,upgrade}`?
• 1446[08:12:31] <unborn> pksadiq: if that will not drop down within 24 hours you can setup fail2ban, have cup of coffee and just watch it live ;)
• 1447[08:12:36] <aborrero> consolejazz: mostly yes
• 1448[08:12:39] <consolejazz> ie, `apt` does more or less the same thing as `aptitude`?
• 1449[08:12:42] <consolejazz> ok
• 1450[08:12:44] <pksadiq> unborn: Login is enabled only by keys. But I don't know what can I do if someone succeed in logging in (may be bug in openssh, kernel, etc.)
• 1451[08:12:55] <lesta> pksadiq: ufw limit ssh
• 1452[08:13:01] <themill> consolejazz: upgrade is different for each one; see the man pages
• 1453[08:13:09] <consolejazz> will do, tx
• 1454[08:13:33] <pksadiq> lesta: Hm.. I just learning. Trying with iptables.
• 1455[08:13:50] <lesta> the best way
• 1456[08:14:23] <consolejazz> prefer ipchairs myself
• 1457[08:14:35] <unborn> pksadiq: with keys well not really.. if you are really in panic mode, then tell ssh to let login only your ip.. fail2ban and iptables.. but ssh keys mostly prevent trying.. main thing when using ssh keys is tu turn password login completely off
• 1458[08:14:41] <unborn> - for ssh
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• 1461[08:15:16] <unborn> you can also change the port from 22 to something else
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• 1466[08:16:52] <lesta> yes change port and than sshd config have a lot of options: allow / deny users or groups
• 1467[08:16:56] <pksadiq> unborn: I'm looking into port knocking to enable ssh
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• 1471[08:18:40] <consolejazz> pksadiq: nice. port knocking seems neat, though not yet tried it myself
• 1472[08:19:40] <unborn> pksadiq: I have on mine any passwd login challenge not allowed even for normal user not just root, just basically ssh keys are allowed and that worked, I have like 13 tries a day max..
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• 1476[08:21:14] <consolejazz> there's also login modules to permit two-factor authentication with SSH access
• 1477[08:21:28] <consolejazz> On top of key-based or whatever other auth you got
• 1478[08:21:40] <consolejazz> I found it to be way annoying though
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• 1480[08:22:51] <pksadiq> This is my testserver anyway. Just to learn. Won't do anything series unless I'm confident
• 1481[08:23:02] <unborn> pksadiq: also what I did just for my panic mode is, Ive added few lines of commands to system, that when any user would log into system via ssh, server it self sends me automatically email and hangouts information, who was logged in etc.. very convenient. Speaking the truth no firewall protection on my end on port 22 heh
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• 1484[08:24:13] <consolejazz> naughty naughty
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• 1489[08:25:33] <pksadiq> unborn: I'm trying to use the server for reverse ssh connections. Such that some user will connect to my server enabling reverse ssh on his/her system. I shall login to that system through my server (remote system administration). So have to take too much care.
• 1490[08:25:57] <unborn> basically if you have no key on your system, ssh on server will kick you out right a way.. no chance for password at all.
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• 1493[08:26:16] <pksadiq> unborn: Your idea is great. Shall look into that.
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• 1495[08:27:18] <unborn> pksadiq: you only need to change 2 or 3 lines in ssh config then restart sshd server and you are locked down.. if you want I can give you hint..
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• 1497[08:28:07] <pksadiq> unborn: Let me try myself. And shall ask once I fail (probably in a month) ;-)
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• 1502[08:29:41] <pksadiq> unborn: I getting ready for debian-next, creating dotfiles that shall configure GNOME 3, themes, fonts, etc., get remote help for interested users, etc. There is atleast one year ahead for me, to be enough lazy. :-)
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• 1507[08:30:43] <unborn> pksadiq: replaced-url
• 1508[08:31:16] <unborn> pksadiq: my server have no gui not at all :)
• 1509[08:32:26] <unborn> pksadiq: make sure you place your public key to authorized_keys on /.ssh on your server otherwise you will lock your self out ;)
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• 1511[08:32:35] <unborn> I mean before you proceed
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• 1513[08:32:54] <blingrang> unborn: can you tell me the hint, pm is fine if pksadiq doesn't want to see it. I'm genuinely curious.
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• 1517[08:35:30] <unborn> blingrang: replaced-url
• 1518[08:35:40] <pksadiq> unborn: I'm already using 2048bit key based login for ssh. I love your email idea.
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• 1520[08:36:09] <pksadiq> s/2048/4096/
• 1521[08:36:14] <unborn> pksadiq ah you want that as well?
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• 1524[08:36:35] <pksadiq> unborn: sure, If you don't care.
• 1525[08:37:23] <blingrang> unborn: thanks
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• 1533[08:40:51] <unborn> pksadiq: blingrang replaced-url
• 1534[08:41:14] <unborn> pksadiq: you can test it right a way
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• 1538[08:43:09] <pksadiq> unborn: is the command 'mail' from sendmail?
• 1539[08:43:13] <unborn> pksadiq: for instant msgs like hangouts is bit different but its doable in same manner like emails.. that way if anyone is logged into ssh you will get email at the time of logging in, so you would be informed.. you can specify more then one email also
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• 1541[08:44:58] <unborn> pksadiq: mail will work generally with sendmail or mailx..if you dont have sendmail installed the mailx you have.. all linux distros have that by default I mean 98% so you will get email regardless if you have sendmail or not
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• 1547[08:47:45] <unborn> pksadiq: if your sendmail would be on knees for whatever reason or gets compromised email will be send out in any way... if you on a linux machine your self you can try on command line echo "Hello - User $USER just logged into your server. Have good day!" | mail -s "ALERT - Shell Access" your@gmail.com
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• 1552[08:48:14] <unborn> you should get email even if no sendmail installed on your system
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• 1554[08:50:11] <unborn> pksadiq: you can even tell debian to send you a log with failed logins.. command for that is I think: cat /var/log/auth.log | grep 'sshd.*Invalid'
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• 1558[08:50:51] <unborn> you can do > ssh-fails.txt and then mail......
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• 1562[08:51:40] <pksadiq> unborn: I just got the email. I didn't know it was that simple. But it ended at spam. I'm writing my own script to configure my system now: replaced-url
• 1563[08:51:40] <pksadiq> be broken.
• 1564[08:51:42] <jelly> unborn: sending a message using the mail command cannot work without a /usr/sbin/sendmail in place
• 1565[08:51:42] <unborn> pksadiq: its beautiful.. just play with it.. I hope so I helped somehow..
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• 1568[08:53:20] <unborn> jelly: I know.. but I found out that mailx works fine with that command
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• 1574[08:55:08] <unborn> pksadiq: yeah that will end in spam.. just add that email address to your contact list and it will be fine...if you want smtp option for sending out emails which does not clash with other mail deamons like sendmail etc you can use sendemail (not sendmail)
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• 1576[08:55:57] <unborn> sendEmail is correct name
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• 1579[08:57:55] <pksadiq> unborn: gotta go. Thanks for your scripts. Saved for future.
• 1580[08:57:59] <unborn> ah gitlab is such a lovely thing, however too heavy for my intel atom 7 years old server :) pksadiq also I did not liked that all my gits get encrypted..
• 1581[08:58:03] <unborn> sure.. cya
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• 1591[09:01:02] <blingrang> unborn: thanks for the info
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• 1605[09:05:36] <unborn> blingrang: youre welcomed any time
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• 1650[09:23:45] <malademental> Hi, I have a very strange problem with Debian jessie. Yesterday it worked fine, I didn't install anything or what, and today, I run "startx" with my openbox WM, everything seems to work fine except keyboard and mouse aren't recognized.
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• 1652[09:24:13] <malademental> I tried to run X without openbox and it's the same problem. I must precise that I run a self-compiled kernel with real time support (v.4.4.1)
• 1653[09:24:57] <malademental> This is my Xorg.0.log : replaced-url
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• 1668[09:32:03] <malademental> Lol I found it! "hotplugging is on, 'kbd' 'mouse' or 'vmouse' will be disabled
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• 1676[09:36:04] <leafwiz> Hi, I have a process that will not quit, even if I do a kill 9. I am root when i run kill.
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• 1680[09:36:57] <leafwiz> What else can I do?
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• 1689[09:40:15] <TomTomTosch> what process is that? sometimes a process can be in an uninterruptable sleep when blocked by a system call.
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• 1694[09:40:55] <leafwiz> From ps aux , root 1840 0.1 1.9 25440384 159972 ? Ssl Mar29 27:31 /usr/bin/synergys
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• 1696[09:41:25] <leafwiz> I use synergys to share my keyboard , and my client wont connect up to my server
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• 1700[09:42:18] <leafwiz> This new synergy has crashed a sometimes. But this is the first time it has crashed in the "background" often it segfaults and dies by its own.
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• 1703[09:44:22] <bkpark> is synergy even foss anymore?
• 1704[09:45:04] <TomTomTosch> and kill -9 <pid> does not kill it? it should.
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• 1707[09:45:39] <TomTomTosch> * kill -9 1840
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• 1709[09:46:25] <leafwiz> [0945][root@haggis:/var/log]# kill 1840
• 1710[09:46:33] <leafwiz> root 1840 0.1 1.9 25440384 159972 ? Ssl Mar29 27:31 /usr/bin/synergys
• 1711[09:47:09] <leafwiz> still there... Last line is from ps aux | grep synergy
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• 1718[09:49:03] <bkpark> hm. so according to the STAT code, it's in an interruptible sleep ...
• 1719[09:49:13] <bkpark> maybe this is relevant? replaced-url
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• 1723[09:49:55] <leafwiz> replaced-url
• 1724[09:49:58] <leafwiz> strace
• 1725[09:50:26] <leafwiz> futex(0x2186104, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 17207, NULL) = 0
• 1726[09:51:18] <leafwiz> See continous scroll of FUTEX_WAIT in strace
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• 1729[09:53:38] <bkpark> what's synergys's parent?
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• 1732[09:54:24] <bkpark> and does it have any child processes?
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• 1734[09:54:57] <bkpark> anyways. this may be relevant: replaced-url
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• 1736[09:55:14] <bkpark> replaced-url
• 1737[09:55:21] <musca> ,info synergy
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• 1739[09:55:22] <judd> Package synergy (x11, optional) in jessie/amd64: Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. Version: 1.4.16-1; Size: 731.6k; Installed: 3601k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1743[09:56:50] <leafwiz> replaced-url
• 1744[09:57:06] <leafwiz> output from ps axjf
• 1745[09:57:07] <bkpark> as in ppid of 1?
• 1746[09:57:29] <leafwiz> or yeah , pid 1
• 1747[09:57:31] <bkpark> oh. and no children ...
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• 1749[10:00:22] <bkpark> can you just run a second synergys process?
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• 1751[10:00:31] <bkpark> maybe bind to a different port?
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• 1755[10:02:37] <leafwiz> I tried running a second synergy, but it seem the first process hogs the port..
• 1756[10:02:52] <leafwiz> Because I could not get a connection to the second process from my client
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• 1758[10:03:02] <bkpark> right. i thought you could set the port on commandline ...
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• 1760[10:03:23] <leafwiz> replaced-url
• 1761[10:03:36] <leafwiz> ah.. sure, I can make it connect to another port
• 1762[10:03:37] <kernel_mutex> hi guys , I need your expertise back.
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• 1765[10:04:12] <leafwiz> But then I have to faff with my clients
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• 1767[10:04:34] <bkpark> yeah. hm. what are pids 1841 and 1842?
• 1768[10:04:46] <bkpark> and .. 26391?
• 1769[10:05:02] <kernel_mutex> I want to install libudev-dev on debian 6.0.9
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• 1771[10:05:19] <kernel_mutex> I've tried with apt-get install and apt-cache does not show it's results.
• 1772[10:05:25] <kernel_mutex> What should I do ?
• 1773[10:05:28] <kernel_mutex> any idea
• 1774[10:05:30] <bkpark> other advice i saw was to kill the children (since synergys is probably waiting on its child processes to complete)
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• 1776[10:06:45] <TomTomTosch> kernel_mutex: tell me what what 'cat /etc/debian_version' says, please.
• 1777[10:06:46] <leafwiz> bkpark: They are not alive on my system
• 1778[10:06:51] <leafwiz> or running on the system
• 1779[10:07:11] <kernel_mutex> 6.0.9 as lsb_release -r told
• 1780[10:07:25] <bkpark> that's debian squeeze, right?
• 1781[10:07:25] <kernel_mutex> @TomTomTosch
• 1782[10:07:55] <kernel_mutex> yes , our clients are on them
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• 1784[10:08:06] <kernel_mutex> they probably use POS touch screens with our scanners.
• 1785[10:08:07] <bkpark> leafwiz: hm. why are they showing on strace, then? i'm not too familiar with strace ...
• 1786[10:08:18] <TomTomTosch> kernel_mutex: you are using a version, that is no longer supported. did you change the sources to the archive?
• 1787[10:08:18] <leafwiz> bkpark: yeah, so it has probably lost its children, and now it is stuck in a uninterutable loop?
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• 1790[10:08:31] <leafwiz> bkpark: trying to connect to them?
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• 1792[10:08:54] <kernel_mutex> @TomTomTosch: what is archive how could I do that. Oky I'll dig on it.
• 1793[10:09:04] <bkpark> kernel_mutex: replaced-url
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• 1796[10:10:13] <TomTomTosch> !tell kernel_mutex about squeeze sources.list
• 1797[10:10:24] <leafwiz> [1008][root@haggis:/var/log]# ps aux | grep --color -E "1841|1842|26391" <-- shows no process
• 1798[10:10:44] <TomTomTosch> kernel_mutex: and 6.0.9 sounds very wrong.
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• 1801[10:11:17] <kernel_mutex> I don't know TomTomTosh our clients use this distro.
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• 1806[10:12:01] <TomTomTosch> kernel_mutex: tell them they make a terrible mistake to use an OS that gets no security updates ;D
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• 1811[10:12:50] <TomTomTosch> kernel_mutex: the bot sent you information on how to fix your problem though. after you fix your sources.list you need to apt-get update.
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• 1814[10:13:28] <kernel_mutex> will that update my system?
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• 1817[10:14:01] <debtest8> Hello ppl
• 1818[10:14:01] <kernel_mutex> I can't do that cos we have to make a package where our clients could use. I am just an Associate Engineer so I can't make big suggestions.
• 1819[10:14:02] <TomTomTosch> no, it will update the package index.
• 1820[10:14:07] <debtest8> i would like to install dnscrypt package
• 1821[10:14:13] <debtest8> but i'm on jessie
• 1822[10:14:23] <debtest8> can i use backports for it? any guide ?
• 1823[10:14:49] <TomTomTosch> kernel_mutex: read 'man apt-get' for more information.
• 1824[10:14:51] <bkpark> leafwiz: looking up how to free up a port ... replaced-url
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• 1827[10:15:12] <bkpark> i've never used tcpkill, but maybe that can be used to at least disconnect synergys from the port it's on?
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• 1831[10:15:54] <bkpark> oops.
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• 1833[10:16:04] <bkpark> 01:14 < bkpark> leafwiz: looking up how to free up a port ... replaced-url
• 1834[10:16:11] <bkpark> 01:15 < bkpark> i've never used tcpkill, but maybe that can be used to at least disconnect synergys from the port it's on?
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• 1836[10:16:27] <bkpark> 01:15 < bkpark> i've never used tcpkill, but maybe that can be used to at least disconnect synergys from the port it's on?
• 1837[10:16:33] <bkpark> oops. sorry. lag.
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• 1841[10:16:51] <leafwiz> bkpark: I just did a reboot :p But thanks for the troubleshooting.
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• 1844[10:17:01] <bkpark> oh. yeah, there's always that. :)
• 1845[10:17:04] <debtest8> Package should be this one: replaced-url
• 1846[10:17:29] <leafwiz> bkpark: even if I don't like it.. :p
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• 1849[10:18:29] <bkpark> debtest8: replaced-url
• 1850[10:18:40] <bkpark> i'm not seeing a backports listing.
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• 1852[10:19:00] <debtest8> bkpark: oh :(
• 1853[10:19:00] <bkpark> if you try to pull from testing, how many packages does it want to upgrade?
• 1854[10:19:16] <debtest8> bkpark: not checked, which command can i use in order to do that
• 1855[10:19:17] <debtest8> ?
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• 1857[10:19:44] <bkpark> you can list both testing and stable repos, and use apt-pinning: replaced-url
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• 1859[10:20:34] <jmcnaught> bkpark: debtest8: mixing stable and testing is bad advice, even with pinning
• 1860[10:20:36] <debtest8> bkpark: i guess i just have to add the testing row, because the package is not existant for older repositories
• 1861[10:20:51] <debtest8> jmcnaught: just for testing purposes i'm testing it in a vm
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• 1864[10:21:24] <bkpark> jmcnaught: thought it was worth checking ... didn't jessie only recently become stable?
• 1865[10:21:50] <jmcnaught> ,checkbackport dnscrypt-proxy
• 1866[10:21:51] <judd> Backporting package dnscrypt-proxy in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 1867[10:22:31] <jmcnaught> debtest8: you could backport it yourself. "/msg dpkg ssb" for some instructions. note that manually backported packages don't get updates
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• 1869[10:22:47] <debtest8> jmcnaught: could be an option too, i plan to move to jessie asap
• 1870[10:23:02] <debtest8> i meant move to stretch asap*
• 1871[10:23:10] <jmcnaught> bkpark: almost a year ago
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• 1873[10:23:54] <bkpark> oh, i was looking at the wrong sentence. release for 8.4 ...
• 1874[10:24:31] <jmcnaught> debtest8: well, don't run testing on a server, especially one on the internet. testing is usually the last to get security updates, and things change with it, sometimes often (which means when you do apply updates it's more than securit/bug fixes, it's also changes in behaviour)
• 1875[10:24:52] <debtest8> is just a testing machine that i nuke every 5 minutes
• 1876[10:25:14] <debtest8> a local one i'm using for develop no worries
• 1877[10:25:30] <jmcnaught> debtest8: that's probably fine, but stretch won't be release for probably another year so your test results might not be useful for a while
• 1878[10:25:53] <debtest8> jmcnaught: If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); where i have to add the line, into sources.list ?
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• 1880[10:26:22] <jmcnaught> debtest8: yes
• 1881[10:26:42] <debtest8> jmcnaught: ok but wich line? i mean in order to specify only that package
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• 1883[10:27:17] <debtest8> deb-src replaced-url
• 1884[10:27:18] <debtest8> ?
• 1885[10:27:20] <jmcnaught> debtest8: you need to add a deb-src line for all of unstable. this will make source packages available from unstable (not binary ones)
• 1886[10:27:35] <debtest8> i can port from testing so maybe using sid is unnecessary
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• 1888[10:28:20] <jmcnaught> debtest8: the instructions are recommending that you use unstable, not testing, but i guess it's up to you.
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• 1890[10:29:16] <debtest8> ok, but then it asks me to add the backports reppo, isn't unnecessary considering that backports reppo haven't the package?
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• 1892[10:29:48] <debtest8> or maybe is needed for dependencies that can be satisfied with the backports rep?
• 1893[10:29:58] <bkpark> replaced-url
• 1894[10:30:15] <bkpark> they make it sound like building from source isn't too much trouble. claims only dependency is libsodium ...
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• 1896[10:30:30] <jmcnaught> debtest8: above judd was saying the build dependencies are satisfied by jessie and didn't mention jessie-backports, however lots of other packages need jessie-backports to satisfy build-deps
• 1897[10:30:32] <bkpark> and i see libsodium-dev in jessie.
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• 1899[10:31:21] <TomTomTosch> but having a package is neat. i'd rather backport.
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• 1901[10:31:49] <jmcnaught> indeed.. why let "make install" spray files all over your system when you can have a package that apt-get can remove
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• 1903[10:32:08] <bkpark> well ... you make sure PREFIX is /usr/local. :)
• 1904[10:32:10] <bkpark> or /opt.
• 1905[10:32:26] <debtest8> i really am eager to have stretch stable uff
• 1906[10:32:36] <debtest8> i want also the kernel live patching of 4.x kernel
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• 1908[10:33:13] <jmcnaught> debtest8: it hasn't been frozen yet, and once it's frozen it won't be released until it's ready. there are newer kernels in backports though
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• 1915[10:35:08] <jmcnaught> bkpark: i know you're helping, but please don't advise people to add testing repos to stable in here. most people are just going to mess their systems up
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• 1920[10:35:55] <bkpark> o.k. i'll remember that. i was asking how many packages it was going to try to upgrade, though.
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• 1925[10:38:56] <debtest8> jmcnaught: just a little question
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• 1927[10:39:33] <debtest8> jmcnaught: if i want to just reuse the .deb file i have obtained, on a new machine i can skip all the backports and other passages right ?
• 1928[10:39:50] <debtest8> jmcnaught: can I just use the .deb on a jessie plain machine?
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• 1930[10:40:39] <jmcnaught> debtest8: for this package it seems so, but for other packages that require dependencies from backports you would at least need to have jessie-backports in sources.list
• 1931[10:40:51] <debtest8> jmcnaught: i pretty see
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• 1934[10:42:12] <jmcnaught> debtest8: not all packages can be backported, usually just the ones with simple dependencies
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• 1936[10:43:14] <debtest8> jmcnaught: i wonder why this one isn't so
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• 1939[10:44:11] <jmcnaught> debtest8: because of big differences between the versions in stable and testing, also the reason mixing the two breaks stuff
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• 1941[10:44:32] <debtest8> i see
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• 1947[10:47:30] <debtest8> jmcnaught: i tried to install it on the new machine and it calls for dependencies
• 1948[10:47:40] <debtest8> dnscrypt-proxy depends on libsodium13 (>= 0.7.0); however: Package libsodium13 is not installed.
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• 1952[10:48:26] <jmcnaught> debtest8: "apt-get install libsodium13"
• 1953[10:48:26] <bumbar_> is there some software available on debian to prevent ddos?
• 1954[10:48:36] <bumbar_> or to mitigate it as much as possible
• 1955[10:48:43] <debtest8> jmcnaught: xD just done, i wonder why he didn't automatically b4
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• 1958[10:50:48] <jmcnaught> debtest8: dpkg doesn't handle dependencies, that's what apt-get and the other apt tools do. i recommend spending a bit more time learning about the package system in Debian before upgrading to stretch. on testing it's harder to tell if you're doing something wrong or if the distro's just broken at the moment when you are unfamiliar with the tools
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• 1960[10:51:16] <debtest8> jmcnaught: i see thanks for the advice
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• 1974[10:59:23] <debtest8> jmcnaught: beg pardon, in apt-get i have an option like this to force the rebuild of the config files in case of need: apt-get --assume-yes -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall packagename
• 1975[10:59:35] <debtest8> jmcnaught: do it exists something similiar for dpkg -i ?
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• 1981[11:02:06] <TomTomTosch> you can use -P for purge to remove config files with the package.
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• 1985[11:03:37] <Gjax> I wish someone could package the new version of Openttd
• 1986[11:04:17] <debtest8> TomTomTosch: it's ok but i need to reinstall them
• 1987[11:04:22] <jmcnaught> debtest8: 1) i think --assume-yes is an anti-pattern, unless you're doing automation and have tested first. 2) the -o Dpkg... stuff are options passed to dpkg. 3) lots more than I can tell you on IRC in the dpkg man page :)
• 1988[11:05:00] <debtest8> jmcnaught: it's ok indeed i'm preparing an unattended script for me
• 1989[11:05:21] <jmcnaught> debtest8: anyways i'm off to bed, happy learning adventures!
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• 1991[11:08:01] <bkpark> hm. wouldn't dpkg-reconfigure do something like what you wanted, reset the config files?
• 1992[11:08:02] <debtest8> jmcnaught: thanks
• 1993[11:08:11] <TomTomTosch> Gjax: have you checked the openttd website? they offer a 1.6 .deb for jessie.
• 1994[11:08:15] <bkpark> (or see the same menus you saw when installing the package)
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• 1996[11:08:18] <debtest8> have a nice sleep
• 1997[11:08:57] <TomTomTosch> Gjax: so your wish has been granted, i guess.
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• 2000[11:13:06] <drmagoo> Does anyone here uses turses? Trying to build and install it, but getting a lot of weird python errors.. I'm suspecting that its some broken dependencie that debain doesnt install...
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• 2059[11:33:59] <p3rs3us> hey guys, any google driver client (ala dropbox) available in the wild?
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• 2070[11:40:25] <Brigo> p3rs3us, grive - Google Drive client for GNU/Linux
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• 2077[11:44:00] <AlwaysHigh> who ever recommended docopt thank you
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• 2079[11:44:11] <AlwaysHigh> very easy to implement
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• 2085[11:47:08] <strk> sudo -u replaced-url
• 2086[11:47:22] <strk> service apache2 restart # SSLCertificateKeyFile: file '/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key' does not exist or is empty
• 2087[11:47:25] <strk> what's the problem ?
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• 2089[11:47:40] <strk> oh, missing sudo on "service" command
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• 2091[11:47:43] <strk> silly me
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• 2108[11:53:53] <p3rs3us> Brigo, do you know if there is any official webpage from grive. The github code seems to be more than 3 years old
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• 2111[11:55:10] <joze> Is the service command still in effect with systemd?
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• 2113[11:55:25] <Brigo> p3rs3us, no, i just made a search in the Debian database.
• 2114[11:56:05] <Brigo> joze, more or less, when you use it, you are really using systemd systemctl command.
• 2115[11:56:06] <p3rs3us> Brigo, but do you use it? does it work?
• 2116[11:56:26] <joze> didn't know that
• 2117[11:56:47] <Brigo> p3rs3us, i have used it many years ago, it didn't has graphic interface but it works.
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• 2120[11:58:10] <p3rs3us> Brigo, thanks i will give it a go
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• 2123[11:59:17] <buerofalke> is there *any* way to get predictable network interface names in the debian 8 netinstaller
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• 2125[11:59:21] <buerofalke> +?
• 2126[11:59:33] <Brigo> p3rs3us, np
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• 2128[12:00:08] <Samouy> Hello there, I have some issues with my fresh installation with encrypted LUKS partition with inside my RootFS and home LVM partitions
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• 2130[12:00:28] <Samouy> when I try to boot with Grub it tells me No volume group find
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• 2140[12:01:58] <TomTomTosch> Samouy: does it still proceed?
• 2141[12:02:05] <HoloIRCUser2> my mdadm raid 6 array got loaded read only after --assemble --force, any idea how to proceed?
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• 2143[12:02:41] <Samouy> TomTomTosch: No, Its looping until I get a rescue shell busybox
• 2144[12:02:46] <Samouy> I used the graphical expert install to make the partitions. I also backported grub and kernel image 4.4 to have better support for my NVMe ssd ... I think I miss something with the grub configuration (missing "cryptdevice=..." )
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• 2147[12:04:09] <Samouy> But I tried to pass the cryptdevice parameter with grub command line
• 2148[12:04:12] <Samouy> and nothing
• 2149[12:04:17] <Samouy> still the same problem
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• 2163[12:12:25] <HoloIRCUser2> hi
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• 2215[12:39:58] <dcz> hello guys
• 2216[12:40:02] <dcz> i install nvidia prime and when i do ALT+TAB i see some glitches on screen otherwise everything is cool. What can i do ? i have haswell ; nvidia gtx 860m and intel video card.
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• 2255[12:54:02] <balance> wanted to seta static ip and my tutorial says I have to add dns to etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base - cant find it on debian, what's the eqquivalent for that on debian? directly into interfaces?
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• 2257[12:54:26] <Ghostbird> Depends on whether you have resolvconf installed.
• 2258[12:54:39] <Ghostbird> If you haven't, set the static IP in /etc/network/interfaces.
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• 2260[12:55:22] <Ghostbird> resolvconf is nice for laptops and their ilk, that move a lot between networks. But I find it harder to configure more complex static network setups with it.
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• 2262[12:55:49] <balance> Ghostbird, ty - I'm a noob when it comes to networking, I just want my VM to have a static ip, guess interface is okay forthat
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• 2265[12:56:15] <Redfoxmoon> balance, for me it's under /etc/resolv.conf
• 2266[12:56:32] <Redfoxmoon> standard debian install, no head though
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• 2271[12:57:12] <balance> Redfoxmoon, ty
• 2272[12:57:36] <Redfoxmoon> balance, no problem :
• 2273[12:57:38] <Redfoxmoon> :)*
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• 2279[12:59:13] <Ghostbird> balance: For such set-ups I usually remove the resolvconf package, but I guess that just a static IP is doable with /etc/resolv.conf too.
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• 2282[12:59:30] <Redfoxmoon> you only set the DNS resolvers in resolv.conf
• 2283[12:59:40] <Redfoxmoon> the static IP is still set in /etc/interfaces..
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• 2287[13:00:14] <Checkfx> hi
• 2288[13:00:16] <Redfoxmoon> that's how I've understood it anyway.
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• 2290[13:00:22] <Redfoxmoon> Checkfx, Hi!
• 2291[13:00:24] <balance> Redfoxmoon, yeah - I'm following replaced-url
• 2292[13:00:35] <Redfoxmoon> balance, weird
• 2293[13:00:42] <Ghostbird> balance: That seems correct.
• 2294[13:00:58] <Checkfx> can someone help me with a svideo trouble with my so not nice nvidia GT200
• 2295[13:01:19] <Checkfx> i try to enable the svideo output
• 2296[13:01:39] <Ghostbird> balance: You have set Virtualbox to bridge?
• 2297[13:01:54] <Checkfx> but no search or driver install will work at the moment ... im so fucking lost
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• 2299[13:02:10] <balance> Ghostbird, sure. I'll double check my settings
• 2300[13:02:13] <Redfoxmoon> balance, paste your /etc/network/interfaces file
• 2301[13:02:39] <Ghostbird> balance: And I assume you did not copy the addresses shown on that page, but used appropriate values for your own local network?
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• 2310[13:04:14] <balance> Ghostbird, I copied it since it looks good, I have other devies which have ip's like 192.168.1.*
• 2311[13:04:31] <strk> apt-cache policy docker-engine # shows me a long list of versions, all with score 500, how do I request installing a specific version ?
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• 2315[13:05:02] <Redfoxmoon> balance, *sigh* set your network device to dhcp in interfaces
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• 2317[13:05:07] <Redfoxmoon> bring the device up, ifconfig
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• 2319[13:05:31] <Redfoxmoon> copy your valid settings and use those for address, gateway, etc.
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• 2321[13:05:59] <hmpf> Hi everyone.
• 2322[13:06:14] <Driver> hi
• 2323[13:06:46] <hmpf> I have a question about automatic execution of dpkg on an embedded system without root rights.
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• 2325[13:07:39] <hmpf> or at least the normal application and the triggering skript do not have root rights. and i have not figured out a way how to get dpkg to run as root, yet.
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• 2327[13:07:59] <Checkfx> sudo ?
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• 2330[13:08:18] <hmpf> but with sudo i would have to put the password somewhere, right?
• 2331[13:08:24] <Checkfx> yep
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• 2333[13:08:49] <markybob> nope
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• 2335[13:09:13] <markybob> you can use "user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL" in sudoers (no quotes)
• 2336[13:09:20] <Checkfx> you are already in root or in user mode ?
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• 2338[13:09:43] <balance> Redfoxmoon, okay - but seems I have a different problem - anyway, thanks, I'll come back if I cant fix it :p
• 2339[13:10:04] <Ghostbird> hmpf: markybob: Better change that sudoers line to allow that user to only run dpkg.
• 2340[13:10:32] <Ghostbird> Then you can create a dedicated user for that task that can only run dpkg as root. Less potential security issues.
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• 2345[13:11:54] <Ghostbird> Off the top of my head it would be: user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/dpkg (but you'd have to verify that.
• 2346[13:12:08] <hmpf> Ghostbird: that seems like a good idea. i'll look into that.
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• 2349[13:13:21] <hmpf> my original idea was starting a skript at system start that runs infinitely as root and listens to a named pipe. and then starts the update when i write something specific into the pipe.
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• 2351[13:14:35] <hmpf> systemd starts processes as root?
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• 2355[13:15:28] <Ghostbird> hmpf: No, it's configured per process how they are started.
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• 2358[13:16:00] <hmpf> ok. i guess i have some reading to do about that, too.
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• 2362[13:17:13] <hmpf> but the sudo will be my next try.
• 2363[13:17:13] <hmpf> thanks for the help!
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• 2394[13:28:56] <benjr> my 2nd computer restarted on its own the other day and dumped all of this into the terminal when i was ssh'd in, I have no idea what to make of it replaced-url
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• 2397[13:29:49] <benjr> i tried to run mcelog as it says but i dont have that
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• 2404[13:31:33] <eoli3n> salut
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• 2408[13:33:26] <eoli3n> j'ai une problematique, je maintiens un parc de client, je voudrais pouvoir mettre à disposition certaines applications via un montage, mais quand meme pouvoir les gerer via apt, pas forcement celui de l'hote. comme apt inscrit des fichiers un peu partout dans le systeme, pour pouvoir centraliser ca sur un montage, est-ce que je pourrais pas utiliser lxc ou une techno du type
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• 2410[13:34:02] <markybob> !fr
• 2411[13:34:02] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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• 2413[13:34:08] <eoli3n> ah sorry
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• 2417[13:35:37] <eoli3n> i manage a pool of clients. I want to install some apps on a remote dir, but keep apt management. As apt writes files everywhere on the system, it's impossible to install package on a shared dir. So is there any way to use lxc to provide a container mount with nfs, or something like that ?
• 2418[13:35:58] <eoli3n> the problem will be PATH var which will not resolve lxc bin, on top level host
• 2419[13:36:41] <eoli3n> does someone has any idea to make it possible ? install packages via apt, on a shared dir
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• 2457[13:55:02] <wfq> hi all
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• 2459[13:55:56] <wfq> guys I would like to uninstall Mysql cleanly and remove all files (eve databases) and try to re install it again. Do you know a guide I can follow please?
• 2460[13:55:57] <wfq> thanks
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• 2477[14:01:53] <l9> raspbian autologin on console when the raspbian dosent have a keyboard attached too it
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• 2481[14:05:45] <karlpinc> wfq: Do a purge on all the mysql packagesyou have installed. Then re-install the packages. But when you re-install install maraiadb. Debian is dropping support for mysql next major release.
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• 2492[14:12:06] <b0t> Hello, how to stop cron mails?
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• 2524[14:22:39] <b0t> Hello, how to stop crontab alert emails?
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• 2531[14:24:00] <fuzzy-logic> b0t: try sending them to dev/null in the mailto statement in crontab, like this - >/dev/null 2>&1
• 2532[14:24:06] <bijan_> Hi, I want to run a simple script on my debian 8.4 server on startup (starting my webapp). How to do it right?
• 2533[14:24:17] <b0t> No work
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• 2536[14:25:21] <bijan_> There are thousand docs for starting stuff but I lost track what is the way to go today.
• 2537[14:25:42] <b0t> No work >/dev/null 2>&1 and mailto="", nothing
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• 2541[14:26:21] <fuzzy-logic> b0t: or add this to your cron : n * * * * /path/to/command > /dev/null 2>&1 || true
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• 2547[14:29:01] <b0t> Ok thanks
• 2548[14:29:08] <fuzzy-logic> did it work ?
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• 2552[14:30:08] <b0t> One moment
• 2553[14:30:16] * fuzzy-logic loves feed-back
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• 2556[14:30:34] <b0t> No work
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• 2559[14:30:49] <b0t> The email subject is <jack@vps263004> cd /home/jack/scripts/ && sh checks.sh
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• 2561[14:31:07] <b0t> And i change the line for * * * * * /home/jack/scripts/checks.sh > /dev/null 2>&1
• 2562[14:31:25] <fsociety[00]dat> Hi #debian; How do I check the zRAM is working properly on the system?
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• 2564[14:31:50] <b0t> It seems that the changes do not work
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• 2566[14:31:53] <fuzzy-logic> b0t: who owns the crontab - user or root and did you append the agrg with '2 X pipes true'
• 2567[14:32:08] <fuzzy-logic> *arguement
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• 2569[14:33:25] <b0t> Yes but the subject of email stil the same
• 2570[14:33:43] <b0t> Subject: Cron <jack@vps263004> cd /home/jack/scripts/ && sh checks.sh
• 2571[14:34:06] <b0t> I modified the command about an hour ago
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• 2574[14:35:34] <fuzzy-logic> b0t: are you trying to modify email message content from the cron daemon or completely stop emails from cron ?
• 2575[14:36:13] <b0t> Nop, i dont, tell my how to stop emails from cron
• 2576[14:36:45] <bijan_> Hi, I want to run a simple script on my debian 8.4 server on startup (starting my webapp). How to do it right? :D
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• 2578[14:38:04] <fuzzy-logic> b0t: I did. If it is not working than sorry, but I cannot help further. Maybe someone else here can (or google it).
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• 2581[14:39:15] <l9> is there a way too change what tty that are displayed on the screen from ssh?
• 2582[14:39:19] <b0t> X_x
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• 2586[14:41:20] <npo> l9: just `tty` should work
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• 2599[14:45:28] <l9> npo: chvt 1 chvt 2 and so on
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• 2613[14:54:30] <dionysus69> how do I convert iso file to img?
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• 2618[14:56:07] <babilen> dionysus69: "mv foo.iso foo.img"
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• 2622[14:56:50] <MaBunny> Hey guys
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• 2625[14:57:15] <MaBunny> So ive been formatting my usb stick n
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• 2627[14:57:43] <MaBunny> Theres a folder tht doesnt seem to go
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• 2630[14:58:08] <dcpc007> hi all, does anyone knows if we can have or activiate some logs on an old NIS under Solaris 8 ? I'm migrating to an openldap on debian , but need to keep only active passwd account for example (and more tahn 15 years without any management or clean ....)
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• 2632[14:58:16] <dionysus69> babilen: haha ok will try that
• 2633[14:58:34] <babilen> dionysus69: Why do you want to rename the file anyway?
• 2634[14:58:53] <dcpc007> i(d want to get a log like hostname requested account X in passwd map
• 2635[14:59:06] <MaBunny> Its named lost+found
• 2636[14:59:09] <MaBunny> I formatted it using mkfs n gparted
• 2637[14:59:09] <MaBunny> But it doesnt go,n yes the filesystem was ext4
• 2638[14:59:11] <MaBunny> I also tried rm ./lost+found but
• 2639[14:59:17] <MaBunny> It didnt help
• 2640[14:59:29] <MaBunny> Can you help me guys????
• 2641[14:59:39] <themill> MaBunny: lost+found is part of the unix filesystem it's not there for you to remove
• 2642[14:59:56] <themill> !lost+found
• 2643[14:59:57] <dpkg> i guess lost+found is a directory where recovered information (bits of files usually) goes after repairing an ext{2,3,4} or XFS filesystem. Created by mklost+found or xfs_repair.
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• 2650[15:02:23] <MaBunny> Guys srry
• 2651[15:02:34] <MaBunny> Can you help me
• 2652[15:02:34] <debtest8> guys
• 2653[15:02:42] <MaBunny> Pls!!!
• 2654[15:02:46] <debtest8> i'm getting mad in order to run my service in its proper port
• 2655[15:02:53] <debtest8> i just installed dnscrypt-proxy
• 2656[15:03:03] <debtest8> it uses an init.d script in order to run the service
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• 2658[15:03:07] <babilen> MaBunny: What with?
• 2659[15:03:12] <MaBunny> I think its a virus
• 2660[15:03:25] <bazhang> MaBunny, what is a virus
• 2661[15:03:26] <babilen> Did you actually read what themill just said?
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• 2663[15:03:39] <MaBunny> I need to remove a folder
• 2664[15:03:43] <babilen> ...
• 2665[15:03:49] <MaBunny> I was pinged
• 2666[15:03:55] <MaBunny> Off
• 2667[15:03:56] <bazhang> MaBunny, the lost and found?
• 2668[15:04:02] <MaBunny> Yes
• 2669[15:04:03] <debtest8> normally the config is located into /etc/default/dnscrypt-proxy , however it exists also the .socket file into /lib/systemd/system/dnscrypt-proxy.socket
• 2670[15:04:06] <babilen> dpkg: lost+found
• 2671[15:04:07] <dpkg> well, lost+found is a directory where recovered information (bits of files usually) goes after repairing an ext{2,3,4} or XFS filesystem. Created by mklost+found or xfs_repair.
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• 2673[15:04:11] <bazhang> thats NOT a virus MaBunny
• 2674[15:04:27] <babilen> 14:59:38 themill > MaBunny: lost+found is part of the unix filesystem it's not there for you to remove
• 2675[15:04:28] <MaBunny> Ok
• 2676[15:04:40] <MaBunny> Ok
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• 2678[15:04:50] <debtest8> i tried to change in both places my config but.. the server still starts on the default port instead following my config
• 2679[15:04:56] <MaBunny> So its not a virus???
• 2680[15:04:58] <MaBunny> Ok
• 2681[15:05:11] <bazhang> <bazhang> thats NOT a virus MaBunny
• 2682[15:05:13] <themill> MaBunny: google could also have answered this question btw
• 2683[15:05:36] <debtest8> err, can someone try to help me with a more serious question than the lost+found one? XDD
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• 2686[15:06:07] <MaBunny> Srry
• 2687[15:06:09] <MaBunny> Thnx guys
• 2688[15:06:09] <MaBunny> Bye
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• 2691[15:07:02] <debtest8> tl;dr: the /etc/init.d/dnscrypt-proxy doesn't follow it's config into /etc/default/dnscrypt-proxy and neither the one in /lib/systemd/system/dnscrypt-proxy.socket he just does what he want without getting any config than default.
• 2692[15:07:17] <debtest8> could it be that the init.d script is badly written ?
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• 2694[15:07:52] <ChrisH> dcpc007: NIS does not care about the map usage. You might want to be more specific on your question.... and Solaris 8 is pretty old
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• 2697[15:09:02] <debtest8> this is the content of the init.d script: replaced-url
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• 2699[15:09:37] <dcpc007> ChrisH: that's why i want to migrate it quickly :)
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• 2703[15:09:57] <themill> debtest8: which version of the package is this? what's in the config file and how do you know it is not used?
• 2704[15:09:59] <dcpc007> but not many infos about enterprise history and more than 15 years old configs
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• 2706[15:10:34] <debtest8> themill: well i builded it from the sid repositories making my own backport like i was suggested here
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• 2708[15:10:52] <ChrisH> dcpc007: last on all NIS using boxes should show the used accounts. NIS Maps can be easy dumped from files to using ypcat/ypwhich [-m] and others
• 2709[15:11:00] <dcpc007> and i'm cleaning associated old data inthe same time (like what to do with an old account, seems not used since more than 5 years and have files under this uid)
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• 2711[15:11:13] <debtest8> themill: i'm trying to do anything else than changing the default port from 53 to 5353
• 2712[15:11:27] <dcpc007> i have the content, ... i want to identidy unused account for example
• 2713[15:11:35] <dcpc007> and unused autofs mounts
• 2714[15:12:25] <dcpc007> near nobody here can tells me if the folder share/unix/softs/soft_X is usefull or can be deleted ( with the share and the account soft_X associated)...
• 2715[15:12:27] <themill> debtest8: and which init system are you using?
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• 2717[15:12:36] <debtest8> themill: what do you mean?
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• 2719[15:12:49] <ChrisH> dcpc007: consider the reverse approach. disable accounts and wait for anyone asking for missing stuff
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• 2723[15:15:09] <dcpc007> how many years :) when i ask to users (or higher) for folder of 2005... they don't confirm that i can delete .. -think they don't really know and nobody want to take a decision)
• 2724[15:15:16] <dcpc007> many accounts are disabled
• 2725[15:15:46] <dcpc007> but application account can be here only for data management and not used as "real account" with login
• 2726[15:16:02] <dcpc007> then my other solution to take the ~/.history date is not accurate
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• 2728[15:16:21] <dionysus69> I know this is a very wrong place to ask but how do I backup data from macbook when I can only access command S shell or recovery screen. I am also looking at booting up live usb on it
• 2729[15:16:56] <dcpc007> they guive me the good project this time ... :-(
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• 2731[15:17:14] <ChrisH> dcpc007: no unix system I know tracks the user, mounts...
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• 2733[15:17:55] <dcpc007> ok, thx ... i don't find infos on solaris man manges ...
• 2734[15:17:59] <dcpc007> pages
• 2735[15:18:21] <dcpc007> i found a debug nis mode in redhat, but on more recent versions ... and linux implementation
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• 2737[15:18:58] <dcpc007> i'll try the bluff to ask put near all "old" data in archive, and see ....
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• 2740[15:19:15] <dcpc007> not sure they agree but after, they'll have to manage ...
• 2741[15:19:23] <dcpc007> thx for the time
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• 2744[15:19:57] <themill> debtest8: systemd? sysvinit? upstart? ...? Does /run/systemd/system exist?
• 2745[15:20:08] <debtest8> it uses systemd i guess
• 2746[15:20:09] <debtest8> yes
• 2747[15:20:43] <themill> So that config file is quite clear about the port configuration not being in it
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• 2753[15:22:37] <debtest8> themill: i have no idea it says also this "The default port is 53. If using systemd, this is not used and must be specified in dnscrypt-proxy.socket."
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• 2755[15:23:24] <debtest8> themill: i found this file in different locations:
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• 2757[15:23:32] <debtest8> /lib/systemd/system/dnscrypt-proxy.socket
• 2758[15:23:39] <debtest8> /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/dnscrypt-proxy.socket
• 2759[15:23:48] <debtest8> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/sockets.target.wants/dnscrypt-proxy.socket
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• 2767[15:25:01] <debtest8> themill: it seems that changing it inside /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/dnscrypt-proxy.socket did the trick
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• 2769[15:25:42] <debtest8> themill: however i'm unable to restart and have the port chaning unless i restart completely the maching, also i'm not able to turn it down, is this normal? i tried with /etc/init.d/dnscrypt-proxy stop
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• 2772[15:26:02] <themill> that will only be a symlink and that change will get reverted next time you upgrade
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• 2774[15:26:26] <debtest8> themill: so wich one is the file i should edit ? :O
• 2775[15:26:34] <themill> you need to "systemctl daemon-reload" after changing the config files
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• 2777[15:26:53] <debtest8> it says when i try to stop it: Stopping dnscrypt-proxy (via systemctl): dnscrypt-proxy.serviceWarning: Stopping dnscrypt-proxy.service, but it can still be activated by: dnscrypt-proxy.socket
• 2778[15:27:21] <debtest8> i just need to know where put the definitive config and how start and stop it properly
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• 2801[15:35:15] <debtest8> themill: i tried also with systemctl stop dnscrypt-proxy but it doesn't turn it off, with netstat -tulpn i can still see the :5353 now in use
• 2802[15:35:19] <MaBunny> Hey guys its me again
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• 2804[15:35:34] <MaBunny> So im making a new installer n
• 2805[15:35:36] <themill> debtest8: that's not the daemon running through, that's the socket listening
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• 2808[15:36:01] <MaBunny> When i type cp debian.iso > /devsdb1
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• 2810[15:36:12] <GNU\colossus> is there a FOSS irc bouncer/proxy software (preferably in Debian) that supports authenticating against PAM?
• 2811[15:36:15] <themill> MaBunny: that command is wrong on many levels.
• 2812[15:36:16] <MaBunny> It says permission denied
• 2813[15:36:23] <MaBunny> Idk!!!
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• 2817[15:36:38] <MaBunny> I dont hav a net conn now n
• 2818[15:36:38] <debtest8> themill: oh, i'm used that when i close a process also the sockets are closed
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• 2820[15:36:41] <themill> MaBunny: you could read the documentation for the installer. Or you could not install it.
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• 2822[15:36:59] <debtest8> themill: which is the best practice to turn off and turn on such service ?
• 2823[15:37:00] <MaBunny> Im talking from a 1kBps conn
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• 2825[15:37:11] <MaBunny> Like a 2g sim card
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• 2827[15:37:31] <fred1807> Installed Geary email client but it cannot authenticate with any SMTP server. Maybe I need to install something related to SSL ?
• 2828[15:37:37] <MaBunny> themill,can you pls tell me the command???
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• 2832[15:38:14] <shibly> fdisk -l , i got this at the end: Partition table entries are not in disk order.
• 2833[15:38:21] <shibly> What should i do?
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• 2835[15:39:01] <themill> debtest8: if you want to stop the socket listening and then activating the service on demand, you can stop "foo.socket" instead of "foo.service"
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• 2837[15:39:51] <MaBunny> Guys?? Pls im really in a slow network
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• 2839[15:40:23] <shibly> Can anyone answer?
• 2840[15:40:24] <debtest8> themill: i see so in order to close it properly i have to turn down also the dnscrypt-proxy.socket
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• 2842[15:41:32] <themill> debtest8: that's what the warning about it perhaps being activated by the socket. You probably don't need to shut down both service and socket, socket should be sufficient from memory of the dependencies there
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• 2847[15:43:33] <debtest8> themill: i see, well instead if i do a change to the config? i stop it, do a systemctl daemon-reload
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• 2849[15:43:43] <debtest8> or i have to specify the service name
• 2850[15:44:13] <MaBunny> themill,pls tell me the command
• 2851[15:44:37] <MaBunny> I swear by god tht im on a 2g network
• 2852[15:44:59] <themill> debtest8: daemon-reload doesn't need any parameters, it reloads everything.
• 2853[15:45:12] <themill> debtest8: I would assume you still need to restart the service though
• 2854[15:45:16] <debtest8> themill: and wich is the file to change in this case ?
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• 2857[15:45:53] <debtest8> if i systemctl cat dnscrypt-proxy it says EnvironmentFile=-/etc/default/dnscrypt-proxy
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• 2874[15:51:25] <themill> debtest8: you need to override the socket file
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• 2876[15:51:48] <debtest8> themill: in wich path?
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• 2879[15:52:24] <debtest8> which sorry*
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• 2881[15:52:53] <debtest8> ls
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• 2887[15:55:47] <themill> debtest8: you should be able to create a file with just the entry you want to override in /etc/systemd/system/dnscrypt-proxy.socket.d/
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• 2890[15:56:12] <themill> (I think)
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• 2893[15:56:41] <MaBunny> Hey guys so i checked
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• 2895[15:57:00] <MaBunny> But when i type umount /dev/sdb1 n
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• 2897[15:57:22] <MaBunny> cp debian.iso /dev/sdb1
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• 2899[15:58:03] <MaBunny> It still says cannot create regular file 'dev/sdb1'
• 2900[15:58:04] <MaBunny> Help!!!
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• 2902[15:58:27] <debtest8> themill: ok i will overwrite that one thanks! :D
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• 2906[15:59:19] <drmagoo> MaBunny: what are you trying to do ?
• 2907[15:59:51] <MaBunny> Im trying to create an installer
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• 2912[16:00:37] <drmagoo> MaBunny: so /dev/sdb1 is a usb-memory stick ?
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• 2916[16:01:08] <themill> MaBunny: you've done this before. Perhaps consult your notes about what you did?
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• 2918[16:02:03] <MaBunny> Hey
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• 2920[16:02:26] <themill> (In fact, we have already solved this exact problem for you 6 weeks ago)
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• 2930[16:04:10] <kuhno> i experience a really strange behaviour on my debian server: just after re-installing wget (apt-get remove && apt-get install) my wget binary seems to disappear (wget not found). i already checked my PATH. what else can I do to know what happens tehre?
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• 2932[16:04:27] <LadyInRed> Shit
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• 2934[16:04:38] <LadyInRed> I cant change my nick
• 2935[16:04:40] <themill> kuhno: is /usr/bin/wget there?
• 2936[16:04:49] <kuhno> themill: no
• 2937[16:04:52] <LadyInRed> Guys i MaBunny
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• 2939[16:05:17] <LadyInRed> drmagoo what were you saying before??
• 2940[16:05:32] <kuhno> i called wget and which wget right after reinstalling and it worked (replied /usr/bin/wget or gave me the wget syntax)
• 2941[16:05:39] <drmagoo> LadyInRed: is /dev/sdb a usb-memory stick ?
• 2942[16:05:47] <LadyInRed> Yes
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• 2944[16:06:04] <drmagoo> LadyInRed: and you want to use it to boot from ?
• 2945[16:06:13] <LadyInRed> I cant cp debian.iso to /dev/sdb1
• 2946[16:06:16] <themill> LadyInRed: [Thu, 25 Feb 2016] [23:09:20] <markybob> MaBunny: you just download the iso and cp image.iso /dev/sdX (note not sdX1, but sdX)
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• 2948[16:06:55] <LadyInRed> It says cannot create regular file '/dev/sdb1'
• 2949[16:07:10] <LadyInRed> I read the online tutorial
• 2950[16:07:53] <LadyInRed> Permission denied
• 2951[16:07:57] <drmagoo> LadyInRed: you can also try 'sudo dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M' remeber that all data on /dev/sdb will be lost forever.
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• 2953[16:08:08] <LadyInRed> Ok
• 2954[16:08:12] <tulphoon> wait
• 2955[16:08:15] <fred1807> drmagoo, why the bs=4M for?
• 2956[16:08:17] <themill> There's no reason not to use cp.
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• 2958[16:08:20] <LadyInRed> Its empty anyways
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• 2960[16:08:21] <tulphoon> You want to make a bootable drive?
• 2961[16:08:28] <LadyInRed> Yeah
• 2962[16:08:28] <tulphoon> i mean USB drive-stick
• 2963[16:08:29] <tulphoon> whatever
• 2964[16:08:30] <tulphoon> just
• 2965[16:08:42] <LadyInRed> Yeah,bootable usb
• 2966[16:08:50] <tulphoon> sudo dd if=/path/to/file.iso of=/dev/sdb
• 2967[16:08:52] <tulphoon> and it should work
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• 2969[16:09:01] <themill> or just use cp.
• 2970[16:09:05] <tulphoon> cp?
• 2971[16:09:09] <babilen> tulphoon: How exactly is that easier than "cp file.iso /dev/sdb" ?
• 2972[16:09:12] <drmagoo> fred1807: number of bytes to write each time. to speed up or slow down depending on system/memory
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• 2975[16:09:17] <themill> Seriously, if he can't get the syntax of cp right, he's not going to get dd right.
• 2976[16:09:18] <tulphoon> babilen, i just know it works :)
• 2977[16:09:21] <markybob> jesus. no one reads the guide
• 2978[16:09:32] <tulphoon> and i use it, so it tell my method
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• 2980[16:10:05] <tulphoon> themill, well, kinda true
• 2981[16:10:55] <LadyInRed> drmagoo its working
• 2982[16:11:06] <drmagoo> LadyInRed: glad to hear
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• 2984[16:11:30] <LadyInRed> drmagoo so bs=4M reads 4megabytes??
• 2985[16:11:57] <drmagoo> LadyInRed: reads and writes in blocks of 4 megabyte at a time
• 2986[16:12:09] <LadyInRed> Ok
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• 2989[16:12:46] <fred1807> so if I am performing the job ina old machine with 512 ram and a old pentium clock, I better dont use bs=4M ?
• 2990[16:12:47] <Iridos> kuhno, seems impossible... so after you installed you see the file with ls -l /usr/bin/wget?
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• 2996[16:14:11] <MrDetonia> Does debian support adding the "ssd" option to a btrfs partition on install?
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• 2998[16:14:20] <MrDetonia> or do I have to add that to fstab myself afterwards?
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• 3001[16:15:24] <kuhno> Iridos: yes, well, at least once. after invoking wget once it seems to be gone
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• 3004[16:16:03] <LadyInRed> Ok guys job done
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• 3006[16:16:08] <Iridos> so you can invoke it once?
• 3007[16:16:09] <LadyInRed> Thnx drmagoo
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• 3009[16:16:13] <LadyInRed> Bye
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• 3018[16:18:35] <kuhno> Iridos: i now re-installed it the third time, this time i did apt-get autoremove first. now it seems to work for now. now I will try reinstalling java6 (non-free), which gave an error last time due to wget missing
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• 3021[16:19:03] <narcos> Hi all. I've created foo.sh on my Desktop, given it +x, and set nautilus to run scripts. However the script exits immediately when I run it (as it's interactive and long running)
• 3022[16:19:08] <narcos> How can i solve this?
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• 3026[16:21:17] <Sick> screwed up... tried KDE. I've apt-get removed kde-full apt-get remove sddm but now I don't have a Display Manager. :(
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• 3029[16:22:00] <kuhno> Iridos: here is a paste of what happens: replaced-url
• 3030[16:22:03] <Sick> what's the default display manager with Debian Testing and Gnome? (and how can I get it back installed and running?) dpkg-reconfigure (something LOL)
• 3031[16:22:23] <awal1> Sick, gdm3
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• 3033[16:22:40] <narcos> Hm it seems I need to set the nautilus property to "ask each time", and then select Run In Terminal
• 3034[16:22:40] <Sick> awal1, so just dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 I'm guessing huh?
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• 3036[16:22:48] <narcos> it'd be nice if "Run in terminal" could be the default
• 3037[16:22:49] <awal1> if running gnome
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• 3039[16:23:03] <awal1> Sick, yeah
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• 3041[16:23:16] <awal1> Sick, do you have another DM installed?
• 3042[16:23:45] <WormFood> what command line tool will give me information about a video file, such as it's length?
• 3043[16:24:03] <themill> WormFood: avprobe
• 3044[16:24:13] <themill> (or ffprobe)
• 3045[16:24:18] <WormFood> thanks themill
• 3046[16:24:56] <themill> np
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• 3048[16:25:25] <awal1> Sick, "how I can get it back installed and running" means? have you uninstalled gdm3 or disabled it via systemctl/init.d ?
• 3049[16:25:28] <teraflops> Obv. Install other session manager. Gdm. Sddm(again) lightdm. If already installed just enable the one you want with systemctl.
• 3050[16:26:09] <bumbar_> is there some service available to install that will ban or limit bandwith of ddos attackers? we've been under ddos all day...
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• 3052[16:26:38] <teraflops> narcos: or just use ’my terminal -e whatever' inside the script
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• 3054[16:27:03] <Sick> awal1, well I didn't uninstall it.... when I do: dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 that fails...
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• 3056[16:27:22] <narcos> teraflops, ok ta
• 3057[16:27:23] <teraflops> Narcos or create a proper .desktop file for your script with the terminal thing to yes.
• 3058[16:27:26] <awal1> Sick, have you disabled it?
• 3059[16:27:37] <narcos> teraflops: Yeah I just used that solution :) [replaced-url
• 3060[16:28:00] <Sick> well... other than just apt-get install kde-full && apt-get remove kde-full && apt-get remove sddm nope.
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• 3062[16:28:05] <teraflops> narcos: both solutions are fine I guess
• 3063[16:28:20] <Sick> (respectively, I didn't exaclty do that... heh minus about 10mins in KDE)
• 3064[16:28:24] <awal1> Sick, "systemctl status gdm3.service"
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• 3066[16:29:12] <Sick> gdm.service: unit cannot be relaoded because it is inactive
• 3067[16:29:17] <awal1> Sick, if you have kde DE installed you may have kdm too (jessie) or sddm (stretch)
• 3068[16:29:29] <awal1> so try reconfiguring the kde DM
• 3069[16:29:34] <Sick> awal1, I've apt-get removed sddm and kde-full
• 3070[16:29:48] <awal1> dpkg-reconfigure kdm or sddm, the one you have
• 3071[16:30:04] <awal1> you have?
• 3072[16:30:06] <Sick> awal1, I don't even have it installed... trying to get rid of all KDE stuff and go back to GNOME.
• 3073[16:30:07] <Sick> lol
• 3074[16:30:12] <narcos> teraflops: With the Desktop approach any idea if it's possible to start the shell hidden or minimised?
• 3075[16:30:25] <Iridos> kuhno, I'm missing any ls -li /usr/bin/wget there... once when it's present and once when it apparently is not ...
• 3076[16:30:27] <Sick> again: apt-get remove kde-full && apt-get remove sddm && apt-get autoremove
• 3077[16:30:38] <Sick> so... all that's gone
• 3078[16:30:57] <awal1> Sick, that will only remove the meta pkgs, the whole kde stuff will still there :D
• 3079[16:31:00] <Sick> which gdm3 < it's installed /usr/sbin/gdm3
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• 3081[16:31:26] <Sick> awal1, really? odd... must be a new thing.
• 3082[16:31:37] <Sick> you are right... damn. LOL
• 3083[16:31:45] <Sick> which konsole shows it installed
• 3084[16:32:07] <teraflops> narcos: if you have e.g st -e in the script or not if I remember well. Also try and see ™ both options
• 3085[16:32:16] <awal1> Sick, if you want remove the whole kde I can help, but I dont guarantee you 100 % success
• 3086[16:32:24] <awal1> Sick, you want try?
• 3087[16:32:30] <Sick> awal1, yessir!
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• 3089[16:32:41] <Iridos> kuhno, most likely cause seems to be a problem with the filesystem... what filesystem is it?
• 3090[16:32:45] <awal1> Sick, I wont break your system
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• 3092[16:32:52] <teraflops> Heh
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• 3094[16:33:04] <Iridos> awal1, he gotta do it himself?
• 3095[16:33:11] <awal1> Sick, first try apt-get install --reinstall gdm3
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• 3097[16:33:28] <awal1> Iridos, removing the whole kde DE isn't easy
• 3098[16:33:50] <awal1> but a few commands will do it
• 3099[16:34:09] <Sick> awal1, kk doing that now.
• 3100[16:34:24] <kuhno> Iridos: when not present it outputs as expected: ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/wget': No such file or directory. FS is ext4 on a volume group (vserver on a cluster). ls -li when wget is present will take a minute to reinstall
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• 3103[16:34:29] <Sick> action "reload" failed
• 3104[16:34:33] <Sick> that doesn't sound good
• 3105[16:34:43] <Sick> gmd.service is not active, cannot reload.
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• 3107[16:35:21] <awal1> Sick, after install --reinstall, try runing systemctl enable gdm3.service
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• 3109[16:36:00] <Sick> awal1, ok bud I did that. it said it was executing and enable gdm3
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• 3111[16:36:35] <Sick> I must be lagging LOL
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• 3113[16:37:11] <kuhno> Iridos: # ls -li /usr/bin/wget : 263080 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 470560 Jan 22 20:27 /usr/bin/wget
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• 3115[16:37:19] <awal1> Sick, do you have 2 machines or you have only one and you are using it and it the one with gdm3 issue?
• 3116[16:37:24] <Sick> awal1, anyway I can purge gdm3 and then re-install it?
• 3117[16:37:44] <Sick> awal1, on my laptop now... it's Gnome too... (didn't mess with KDE there )
• 3118[16:38:08] <Sick> going back and forth with my USB kvm thingy
• 3119[16:38:24] <awal1> Sick, you can purge it of course but check closely what apt tells you
• 3120[16:38:38] <Sick> apt-get purge gdm3 ?
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• 3123[16:39:11] <awal1> Sick command is correct yeah, executing it is your decision
• 3124[16:39:11] <Sick> yeah it's pulling gnome* gnome-core* task-gnome-desktop* not a good idea LOL
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• 3126[16:39:52] <awal1> Sick, systemctl status kdm.service ?
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• 3128[16:40:10] <Sick> awal1, yeah... how can I purge all that kde junk? (doing that now status)
• 3129[16:40:31] <Sick> Active: inactive (dead)
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• 3132[16:40:46] <awal1> Sick, what are you running now ? jessie or stretch?
• 3133[16:40:57] <Sick> testing... stretch.
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• 3135[16:41:01] <dionysus69> what is a good block size for dd /dev/zero if I want to low level format device?
• 3136[16:41:05] <dionysus69> speed is the priority here
• 3137[16:41:07] <awal1> so go to #debian-next
• 3138[16:41:12] <Sick> awal1, :(
• 3139[16:41:21] <awal1> Sick ^
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• 3144[16:41:36] <awal1> Sick, here is channel support for stable
• 3145[16:41:58] <Sick> awal1, yeah... Just figured the commands wouldn't be dependant on release.
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• 3147[16:42:05] <awal1> people here are looking for solutions for solve there problems not for break their system more
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• 3149[16:42:30] <Sick> awal1, So you are saying I'm trying to break my system?
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• 3151[16:43:27] <awal1> no, but my idea is testing/sid is for test / help to find bugs
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• 3153[16:43:54] <awal1> bad english here so excuses
• 3154[16:43:57] <Sick> awal1, awal1 sorry to be a bother.
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• 3157[16:44:40] <awal1> which kde have you installed?
• 3158[16:44:44] <awal1> kde-full?
• 3159[16:44:50] <awal1> kde-standard?
• 3160[16:44:59] <Sick> kde-full
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• 3162[16:45:15] <Sick> (or so I thought... I tried to apt-get remove kde-full) but as you said... it's still there. *sigh*
• 3163[16:45:22] <awal1> when you installed it dpkg should have prompted you to choose a default DM
• 3164[16:45:28] <awal1> what you did?
• 3165[16:45:37] <Sick> awal1, aye, that's what I thought. It didn't prompt me.
• 3166[16:45:45] <Sick> awal1, hence testing[tm] :P
• 3167[16:45:48] <Sick> I guess
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• 3170[16:46:34] <awal1> kde testing/sid version uses sddm now
• 3171[16:46:55] <awal1> kdm is no longuer available (only for jessie)
• 3172[16:47:05] <Sick> awal1, I'll go ask on #debian-next I guess... thanks for trying
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• 3175[16:47:51] <awal1> Sick, I dont know what's your priority. get gdm3 back and running or remove the whole kde stuff
• 3176[16:47:53] <alt^255> Hi all. So after upgrading from jessie to stretch I noticed /dev/xconsole is missing. There's no trace of it in rsyslog.conf. What am I missing?
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• 3179[16:48:43] <Sick> awal1, well... getting gdm3 back up and running. But getting rid of the kde cruft would be nice too.
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• 3182[16:49:24] <rdctrlzr> hi. trying to cmake an app which requires libgmp10. I installed the packege, still I get Could NOT find gmp (missing: GMP_INCLUDE_DIR GMP_LIBRARY) ... any idea what I could do?
• 3183[16:49:40] <awal1> Sick, you have did a dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch or started with minimal debian system, without DE, and dist-upgraded to stretch?
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• 3185[16:50:29] <Sick> awal1, I had a fully working stretch gnome setup. Then installed kde-full (fail) then I removed kde-full (and sddm) and now I have no Display Manager
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• 3187[16:51:32] <jmcnaught> Sick: if you have gdm installed, have you done "systemctl start gdm"?
• 3188[16:52:09] <awal1> Sick, I can help you for remove almost all kde stuff but I dont use gnome or gdm,
• 3189[16:52:35] <themill> rdctrlzr: if you're compiling, you need the -dev package not the compiled library
• 3190[16:52:42] <themill> +just
• 3191[16:52:51] <Sick> jmcnaught, THAT started it
• 3192[16:53:13] <Sick> jmcnaught, now I just need to set that sucker to start @ boot and I'm golden (other than removing the KDE cruft LOL)
• 3193[16:53:51] <jmcnaught> Sick: "systemctl enable gdm" and maybe "man systemctl" ;)
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• 3195[16:54:20] <Sick> jmcnaught, lol :P
• 3196[16:54:21] <awal1> Sick, systemctl start gdm3.service had effect that means it wasn't disabled, try rebooting and see if it's nicely started
• 3197[16:54:59] <jmcnaught> awal1: you can start a service that isn't enabled
• 3198[16:55:01] <Iridos> kuhno, checking if the disk is full with df -h might be a good thing, also checking /var/log/messages and dmesg.... this should show some info on the inode extundelete --inode 263080 /dev/sdaX
• 3199[16:55:05] <awal1> then come back for remove kde :D
• 3200[16:55:15] <awal1> jmcnaught, oh, yes, you right
• 3201[16:55:17] <Sick> awal1, jmcnaught yeah rebooting that box now.
• 3202[16:55:31] <awal1> I told him to execute "enable"
• 3203[16:55:36] <Sick> thanks so much guys... this is like old school debian help. :)
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• 3205[16:55:49] * Sick remembers the early 90's
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• 3207[16:55:53] <jmcnaught> Sick: also for the future you'll get better stretch related support in the #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net
• 3208[16:56:02] <Sick> jmcnaught, yessir
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• 3213[16:56:49] <Sick> jmcnaught, but I beg to differ that I'll get "better" support there, unless you guys are there ;)
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• 3216[16:57:38] <Iridos> Sick, some are... but more people running testing are there than here
• 3217[16:57:44] <awal1> Sick, reboot and see if your gdm is started nicely and if you can log in to gnome session. if all fine, you're done :)
• 3218[16:57:45] <jmcnaught> Sick: some us are, some people that aren't on freenode are there too. irc.oftc.net is Debian's official IRC network, this channel is just a left-over from when it was freenode
• 3219[16:57:59] <Sick> awal1, jmcnaught ok... finally got Gnome sorted... just need to remove all the KDE cruft.
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• 3221[16:58:39] <Sick> if you guys are old school debian you might remember me as: OctobrX
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• 3223[16:58:40] <Sick> heh
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• 3225[16:59:11] <rdctrlzr> themill: ah. my fault. of course. thanks
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• 3230[17:00:11] <kuhno> Iridos: good hint, just 500MB left on / . nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet that doesn't sound too helpful either
• 3231[17:00:14] <awal1> Sick, first of all make a back up of all the software installed in your system, if any...
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• 3234[17:01:18] <Gjax> anyone with a good link that explains apt pinning?
• 3235[17:01:28] <sillenzio> does someone where uses kde4 has a DE for your workstation ? (think changing from i3wm to kde4)
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• 3248[17:05:34] <jmcnaught> Gjax: there's an article about it on the debian wiki, but if you're planning on mixing testing and stable it's not a very good idea. Also this part of the Debian Reference, mind the admonitions: replaced-url
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• 3258[17:09:20] <baum> i'm currently running debian-testing, with mesa 11.1.2, however OpenGL is only on version 3.0, how is that possible? Shouldn't mesa implement the newest opengl version?
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• 3262[17:11:43] <jmcnaught> baum: did you check the mesa website for details on what it supports?
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• 3264[17:13:00] <baum> jmcnaught: yes, it should implement opengl 4.1
• 3265[17:13:20] <ghormoon> hi, can I somehow get details from links why it refuses https cert? it works from another system with exact same version of links and ca-certificates, works for wget, works for some other domains I tried, works from other browsers on the same machine (so it's not mitm likely)
• 3266[17:13:23] <jmcnaught> baum: replaced-url
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• 3270[17:14:56] <baum> jmcnaught: means that it actually depends on the radeon open source driver?
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• 3273[17:16:45] <jmcnaught> baum: i took it to mean that the actual version of opengl depend on the video driver. they might know more in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (the stretch support channel) or #dri-devel (the mesa channel)
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• 3278[17:18:56] <baum> jmcnaught: hmm alright, thanks
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• 3294[17:22:11] <fearnothing> hi, I'm running debian with bind, and I've just discovered that my server has glibc 2.19 which is one of the vulnerable versions I believe
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• 3296[17:22:32] <fearnothing> what's the right way to go about patching it?
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• 3298[17:22:45] <fearnothing> it doesn't seem to come down with the distro updates
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• 3303[17:24:07] <jmcnaught> fearnothing: security fixes are backported in debian stable. are you talking about the glibc vulnerability that is mentioned in the channel's topic?
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• 3306[17:25:20] <fearnothing> not sure, is that the one that applies to getaddrinfo()?
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• 3315[17:26:11] <Wtflux> hi guys im installing a debian vm 64-bit one of the "small" or light distros ~355 mg .iso, i am wondering is there any way to set debian when the VM is launched to boot into CLI mode, no GUI or desktop interface, straight CLI?
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• 3317[17:26:29] <xorond> fearnothing, you can try downloading the source and build from that?
• 3318[17:26:49] <xorond> Wtflux, just don't install a Desktop Environment
• 3319[17:26:52] <jmcnaught> xorond: please don't recommend people install libc from source
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• 3321[17:27:21] <jmcnaught> fearnothing: yes, that's the one that the "/msg dpkg libc6_bug" mentioned in the topic is talking about
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• 3323[17:27:37] <xorond> jmcnaught, he already has a version running. What's the matter with installing from source?
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• 3325[17:28:12] <Wtflux> xorond i think at time of install its going to require me to choose a GUI and i can go with native debian or choose one of the others: LXDE, KDE, Gnome, etc. but i cant choose none
• 3326[17:28:16] <jmcnaught> fearnothing: are you subscribed to the debian security announcement mailing list? you might also be interested in the security tracker, here's the link for libc6: replaced-url
• 3327[17:28:24] <Wtflux> i tried to do that last time by just choosing "debian" but i still had some form of GUI
• 3328[17:28:27] <fearnothing> I am not
• 3329[17:28:28] <fearnothing> thank you
• 3330[17:28:46] <jak2013> friends how to solve this: argghh replaced-url
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• 3332[17:28:48] <Wtflux> Reason im doing it a second time is because my main OS crashed
• 3333[17:28:52] <jak2013> how to know wich is duplicated?
• 3334[17:28:58] <xorond> Wtflux, I don't think that's a step in the install script, but correct me if I'm wrong
• 3335[17:29:23] <Wtflux> let me input the exact iso im using to install J1M
• 3336[17:29:27] <jmcnaught> xorond: because there are updated packages for debian, and because libc6 is the most important library on gnu/linux, and installing from source means not getting updates anymore.
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• 3339[17:29:52] <fearnothing> presumably it's only a major concern if I'm permitting DNS requests from external clients?
• 3340[17:29:56] <xorond> jmcnaught, I know that but he said that the repo doesn't update that pkg
• 3341[17:29:59] <Wtflux> xorond: debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst
• 3342[17:30:13] <jmcnaught> xorond: sounds like you need to read about how debian works
• 3343[17:30:21] <fearnothing> xorond, it's possible that I'm just unclear on whether or not it is truly up to date
• 3344[17:30:23] <Wtflux> here in a moment its going to ask me to choose an xwindows deal i think, ill try and grab the screenshot. i think it said something along those lines.
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• 3347[17:30:36] <fearnothing> doing ldd --version gives: "ldd (Debian GLIBC 2.19-18+deb8u4) 2.19"
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• 3349[17:31:05] <xorond> Wtflux, I installed Debian Sid on my laptop just yesterday, that wasn't a step on the script. I was left without a GUI after install and chose one to my liking after that. But I skipped the software installation step so that might be it.
• 3350[17:31:19] <Wtflux> ah
• 3351[17:31:26] <jmcnaught> fearnothing: "apt-cache policy libc6" will check the installed version. don't listen to xorond.
• 3352[17:31:27] <xorond> Try skipping the 'Select and install software' step and maybe it will work
• 3353[17:31:40] <Wtflux> you must be right because im sitting thru the software install step right now, i also didnt know you could skip that either
• 3354[17:31:55] <Wtflux> thanks
• 3355[17:32:01] <xorond> Wtflux, np
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• 3357[17:32:11] <xorond> jmcnaught, mb
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• 3360[17:33:12] <xorond> jmcnaught, I'm not a regular debian user, still learning, forgive my incompetence
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• 3363[17:33:18] <fearnothing> ok, well I'm fully up to date with the package manager it seems, but based on my reading of the info on the bug, the package manager version is still vulnerable
• 3364[17:33:21] <kuhno> Iridos: forget about my wget issue, we found out the debian machine is infected and almost no binary is genuine anymore
• 3365[17:33:29] <fearnothing> whereas I thought that a patch had been released
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• 3369[17:33:52] <xorond> fearnothing, what's on your sources.list? Did you check that?
• 3370[17:33:59] <jmcnaught> fearnothing: versions don't change for most packages in debian stable. the security fixes are backported to the version in debian.
• 3371[17:34:03] <xorond> Maybe you are using an older repo
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• 3373[17:34:20] <fearnothing> oh, in that case how are you supposed to know that you've been patched against an issue?
• 3374[17:34:20] <shibly> Hello
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• 3376[17:34:23] <jmcnaught> xorond: it's okay if you aren't an expert, but please refrain from giving advice if you don't know what you're talking about, you're confusing people
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• 3378[17:34:43] <xorond> jmcnaught, alright :)
• 3379[17:34:50] <shibly> fdisk -l, got this: Partition table entries are not in disk order.
• 3380[17:34:53] <shibly> Why?
• 3381[17:34:57] <shibly> What should i do?
• 3382[17:35:03] <xorond> shibly, don't flood please
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• 3386[17:35:34] <xorond> shibly, it simply means that the listed partitions are not ordered the same in your disk scheme
• 3387[17:35:44] <jmcnaught> fearnothing: if you look at this page you will find that the getaddrinfo bug is listed under the "resolved" section: replaced-url
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• 3390[17:36:39] <shibly> xorond, What should i do?
• 3391[17:36:43] <jmcnaught> fearnothing: or see here: replaced-url
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• 3393[17:37:06] <bezaban> fearnothing: the security tracker which jmcnaught linked also lets you search for issues by CVE
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• 3395[17:37:18] <bezaban> or browse by package :)
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• 3398[17:37:41] <fearnothing> aha, I had clicked on the wrong CVE, hence I was confused
• 3399[17:37:52] <xorond> shibly, there's nothing wrong. It's not a problem, that's just how fdisk works
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• 3402[17:38:55] <fearnothing> thank you jmcnaught and bezaban
• 3403[17:39:06] <bezaban> mostly jmcnaught :)
• 3404[17:39:22] <fearnothing> that's why he came first :P
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• 3406[17:39:28] <jmcnaught> fearnothing: definitely subscribe to replaced-url
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• 3439[17:51:27] <fearnothing> if I do `time <cmd>` and the 'real' and 'user' times are notably different, what is that telling me?
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• 3457[17:57:13] <jmcnaught> fearnothing: do user + sys == real? user is how much time was spent in userland processes, sys is how much time the kernel spent working, real is the amount of time spent
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• 3464[18:00:34] <jak2013> when i try an apt-get update i get this warning: W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 3465[18:00:38] <jak2013> how to remove?
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• 3468[18:01:22] <jmcnaught> jak2013: you want to remove the repository from your sources, or remove the error?
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• 3470[18:02:35] <jak2013> remove the duplicate repository
• 3471[18:02:42] <jak2013> i try: cd /etc/apt
• 3472[18:02:47] <jak2013> grep "pve-enterprise" *.* and not results
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• 3477[18:03:55] <jmcnaught> jak2013: it could be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, you would need to use "grep -R" to recursively search sub directories. also you should go to proxmox for support, proxmox is not supported by #debian
• 3478[18:04:05] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell jak2013 about proxmox
• 3479[18:04:21] <jmcnaught> jak2013: the dpkg bot has messaged you with where to get proxmox support
• 3480[18:04:24] <jak2013> yes i know
• 3481[18:04:29] <jak2013> about support of proxmox.
• 3482[18:04:32] <jhutchins> jak2013: Also, *.* will only find files that have a . in the name, * will find all.
• 3483[18:04:46] <jak2013> ok
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• 3494[18:09:50] <jak2013> testing: grep 'proxmox.com' -r /etc/apt/
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• 3504[18:15:06] <jak2013> jhuebner: replaced-url
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• 3516[18:17:47] <f0f4r> can I use tcp window scaling without tcp time stamp?
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• 3553[18:31:15] <awal1> Any one uses 'radio' software? I have no radio0 in dev. How to solve that?
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• 3584[18:40:47] <asarch> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash"
• 3585[18:40:48] <asarch> ?
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• 3587[18:40:56] <asarch> From: replaced-url
• 3588[18:41:03] <asarch> This is Debian 8 for x386
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• 3593[18:43:09] <markybob> asarch: in jessie you need to use jessie-backports
• 3594[18:43:27] <markybob> asarch: replaced-url
• 3595[18:43:47] <asarch> Thank you!
• 3596[18:43:58] <asarch> Thank you very much markybob :-)
• 3597[18:44:08] <markybob> np :)
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• 3599[18:45:25] <asarch> Thank you
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• 3637[18:59:10] <dtcrshr> is it possible to run php-mbstring on debian8?
• 3638[18:59:20] <dtcrshr> I dont find it on the repos, besides php5 is mostly avaiable
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• 3643[19:02:55] <RoyK> dtcrshr: may be built in according to this one replaced-url
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• 3652[19:05:23] <dtcrshr> thanks RoyK
• 3653[19:05:43] <markybob> dtcrshr: it's built in already
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• 3657[19:06:19] <markybob> dtcrshr: you can test it. php5 -m in command prompt to get a list of modules
• 3658[19:06:27] <markybob> dtcrshr: if you're using debian it's in there
• 3659[19:06:27] <dtcrshr> hm thanks
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• 3661[19:06:46] <RoyK> roy@mia:~$ php5 -m| grep mb
• 3662[19:06:46] <RoyK> mbstring
• 3663[19:06:54] <RoyK> that's a jessie box
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• 3668[19:08:24] <tommy521> Is it possible to fulldisk-encrypt my drive after install?
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• 3671[19:08:55] <RoyK> tommy521: yeah, just reinstall ;)
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• 3673[19:09:54] <RoyK> tommy521: tbh, I don't know, but last I checked, it wasn't possible
• 3674[19:10:04] <GitGud> any recommendations for a good audio output equalizer for debian?
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• 3680[19:11:19] <tommy521> Ok, thanks RoyK, was what I thought
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• 3699[19:15:31] <Iridos> tommy521, it's only software... everything is possible... but practical?
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• 3706[19:17:52] <tommy521> What benefits is there over fulldisk encryption vs just encrypting my user data, i.e. ecryptfs-migrate-home? I mean is there any web\chat\other personal artifacts stored elsewhere than in the home folder?
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• 3710[19:18:45] <Iridos> /tmp and swap
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• 3712[19:18:56] <greycat> Email is delivered to /var/mail/ in Debian by default.
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• 3715[19:19:13] <greycat> So, unless you changed deliver to ~/Maildir/ or similar....
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• 3719[19:19:43] <Iridos> well, for server services... yeah, /var/replaced-url
• 3720[19:20:03] <greycat> Oh right, kids these days use web mail or similar shit :(
• 3721[19:20:16] <jmd> tommy521: Well full disk encryption means of course that everything is encrypted.
• 3722[19:20:22] <zykotick9> tommy521: <sidenote, if it's a laptop> _by default_ home dir encryption breaks hibernation... where FDE with LVM does not...
• 3723[19:21:06] <tommy521> Its a laptop, thanks, Il be off reinstalling then :p
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• 3725[19:21:17] <greycat> Honestly I never understood home directory encryption. How does sshd know what's in your .ssh/authorized_keys if it can't read that? How does the MTA know where to deliver mail if it can't read ~/.forward or ~/.qmail* or whatever?
• 3726[19:21:25] <jmd> It means that only one passphrase is needed instead of several.
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• 3747[19:28:08] <jmd> Why are there laptop computers but no lapbottom computers?
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• 3749[19:28:44] <Iridos> price
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• 3759[19:30:48] <zmo> hi o/
• 3760[19:31:02] <zmo> got an issue with a dpkg I installed
• 3761[19:31:29] <zmo> the post-install script is buggy, trying to copy files in /home/lost+found, making the cp hang and never end
• 3762[19:32:02] <zmo> is there a way to mark the package as installed, or hack the post-install script, or maybe just skip it?
• 3763[19:32:20] <greycat> the scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
• 3764[19:32:38] <greycat> you can edit them and then re-run dpkg --configure -a
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• 3766[19:33:02] <zmo> thank you!
• 3767[19:33:07] <zmo> I knew it was somewhere
• 3768[19:33:08] <asarch> After "apt-get -t jessie-backports install pepperflashplugin-nonfree", what's next?
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• 3771[19:33:50] <asarch> update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --verbose --install: "options : --verbose --install --\ntemporary directory: /tmp/pepperflashplugin-nonfree.PJoU5pIJak\ndoing apt-get update on google repository"
• 3772[19:33:55] <asarch> And, is that all?
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• 3781[19:36:41] <GitGud> any recommendations for a good audio output equalizer for debian?
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• 3792[19:42:06] <babilen> asarch: Well, you'd have to restart the browser
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• 3796[19:43:09] <fred1807> can I boot with init.d=/bash and then go manually installing de modules that I want?
• 3797[19:43:31] <greycat> I think you meant to write init=/bin/bash
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• 3801[19:43:42] <asarch> It is not listed in the about:plugins
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• 3803[19:43:53] <asarch> As a matter of fact, it doesn't even download anything :-(
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• 3818[19:47:04] <fred1807> greycat: Yes... Can I go on manually modprobe eth0, alsa... and stuff that I want ?
• 3819[19:47:15] <greycat> I have no idea.
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• 3821[19:47:48] <babilen> asarch: Which version of Debian are you using?
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• 3826[19:48:21] <babilen> (what's the output you get when you "update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose" ?)
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• 3830[19:49:09] <asarch> Debian 8 for x86: "options : --install --verbose --\ntemporary directory: /tmp/pepperflashplugin-nonfree.lGLYbBr2kG\ndoing apt-get update on google repository"
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• 3832[19:49:12] <jmcnaught> asarch: the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package is for chromium, are you using firefox/iceweasel? earlier you mentioned browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash which is the one for firefox
• 3833[19:49:46] <asarch> D'oh!
• 3834[19:49:52] <babilen> So you are using firefox?
• 3835[19:50:01] <asarch> No, I am not. Actually, I use Opera/Firefox
• 3836[19:50:16] <babilen> Please refer to replaced-url
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• 3840[19:50:50] <andril> hello
• 3841[19:51:23] <asarch> Thank you
• 3842[19:51:32] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
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• 3863[19:55:26] <awal1> I created a keyboard shortcut under my debian openbox for execute "xterm -e ffmpeg -f alsa -i default -f v4l2 -s 640x480 -i /dev/video0 -acodec flac \-vcodec libx264 filename.mkv" when I want record a video file via my webcam and it works very well. How I can make that process running in background and how to stop it without killing ffmpeg?
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• 3873[19:58:42] <jmcnaught> awal1: it might be fun to try making a systemd service unit for this and put it in ~/systemd/user/ or ~/.config/systemd/user/ then have the keyboard shortcut do "systemctl --user start webcam.service"
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• 3881[20:01:23] <awal1> jmcnaught, interesting yeah, but I'll have to learn about how create a unit service for systemd because I have no idea
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• 3931[20:18:57] <r0ck_> hello ppl
• 3932[20:19:08] <r0ck_> I have installed debian with xfce4
• 3933[20:19:27] <r0ck_> but my keyboard is shortcuts are not working with FN key on thinkpad x250 machine
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• 3935[20:19:30] <r0ck_> is there any solution?
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• 3948[20:23:02] <awal1> r0ck_, they dont work at all or only a few ones?
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• 3954[20:24:57] <r0ck_> dont work at all awal1
• 3955[20:25:27] <r0ck_> also another question: how can I upgrade to xfce 4.12 from backports ?
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• 3958[20:25:47] <r0ck_> should I uninstall all xfce packages fist, or there is a solution where I could only upgrade from backports?
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• 3961[20:26:40] <ironpillow> hi all, I am installing debian 8 using netinst iso and I got an error "no ethernet card was detected" so I went ahead with the installation and I couldn't use a "network mirror". Question: once I maually install the ethernet driver, how can I enable ssh server? thanks!
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• 3967[20:28:14] <r0ck_> ironpillow: use this image: replaced-url
• 3968[20:28:14] <awal1> r0ck_, it may be a kernel related, not your xfce DE.
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• 3970[20:28:18] <r0ck_> with non free firmware
• 3971[20:28:30] <r0ck_> it will have non-free firmware drivers
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• 3973[20:28:39] <jmcnaught> ,v xfce4
• 3974[20:28:40] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.2; sid: 4.12.3
• 3975[20:28:46] <awal1> r0ck_, what happens if you boot with acpi_backlight=vendor
• 3976[20:28:58] <awal1> that's a nice workaround
• 3977[20:29:01] <r0ck_> awal1: I now solved this issue ;)
• 3978[20:29:05] <jmcnaught> r0ck_: it doesn't look like xfce4 4.12 is in jessie-backports
• 3979[20:29:13] <r0ck_> I hat to select IBM rapid access keyboard type in menu
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• 3981[20:30:17] <ironpillow> r0ck_, thanks! I will try with these images.
• 3982[20:30:23] <r0ck_> jmcnaught: thanks, I see ;)
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• 3985[20:30:53] <dioz> ironpillow: ironpillow what sshd will you be using?
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• 3987[20:31:05] <awal1> r0ck_, how? teach us!
• 3988[20:31:09] <dioz> during the install it'll ask you if you want it to be ssh server
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• 3990[20:31:14] <awal1> :)
• 3991[20:31:27] <dioz> the answer to your question, however, would depend on which sshd you're using
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• 3994[20:32:04] <ironpillow> dioz, it actually didn't ask me. all it had was " standard sytem utilities"
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• 3997[20:33:05] <dioz> cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config
• 3998[20:33:09] <dioz> if you're u sing openssh
• 3999[20:33:21] <ironpillow> dioz, got it
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• 4032[20:43:45] <Guest71513> hi - where in debian is the automatic software update checker? i'd like to turn off
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• 4043[20:46:14] <awal1> Guest71513, kde?
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• 4078[20:59:57] <papey> o/
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• 4114[21:18:25] <luxio> oh wait
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• 4116[21:18:32] <luxio> I bought a nonfree firmware usb dongle?
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• 4120[21:19:04] <luxio> pretty sure this was listed as FOSS on that other website: replaced-url
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• 4122[21:19:31] <stevendale> o3o
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• 4124[21:19:41] <ozzloy> someone claimed to be foss and wasn't?!? STOP THE PRESSES!
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• 4126[21:20:21] <luxio> oh well :P
• 4127[21:20:28] <luxio> let's hope it works
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• 4130[21:21:15] <luxio> btw this is how I saw it was "FOSS": replaced-url
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• 4135[21:22:57] <ironpillow> hi all, I have intel network driver igb-5.2.tar.gz how do I add it the debian iso so I can use it while install debian on a fresh machine?
• 4136[21:23:38] <ironpillow> this driver does not come with debian iso by default
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• 4138[21:24:24] <dioz> ironpillow: did you check here replaced-url
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• 4143[21:25:51] <ozzloy> luxio, :-/
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• 4145[21:26:11] <ozzloy> luxio, that's pretty convincing. you tried ath9k_htc and it didn't work?
• 4146[21:26:35] <ozzloy> luxio, i wish it wasn't so common for stuff like this to happpen
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• 4148[21:26:43] <luxio> no, I didn't recieve it yet
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• 4150[21:26:51] <luxio> receive*
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• 4155[21:28:16] <ozzloy> oh, well i hope it works!
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• 4158[21:28:37] <luxio> ozzloy: :-)
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• 4162[21:30:44] <dontknow> luxio, the tester had tested it on parabola and trisquel. there is no reason it wouldn't work
• 4163[21:30:56] <ironpillow> dioz, should I use 8.4.0/amd64/ios-cd/firmware.iso ? will this contain intel drivers?
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• 4171[21:33:34] <dioz> ironpillow:
• 4172[21:33:36] <dioz> Before starting the installation process on hardware unfamiliar to you, a suggestion is to download the firmware tarball for your installation and unpack it into a directory named "firmware" in the root of a removable storage device. When the installer starts, it will automatically find the firmware files in the directory on the removable storage and, if needed, install the firmware for your hardware. The lin
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• 4174[21:33:43] <dioz> k to the firmware download for your Debian version is replaced-url
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• 4184[21:37:10] <ironpillow_> dioz, trying that right now
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• 4197[21:41:25] <dcz> hello guys
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• 4199[21:41:27] <dcz> i am trying to use vte while learning vala language. i added using Vte; but it gives me error. How we add it ?
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• 4207[21:46:02] <macrobat> dcz: isn't that more of a vala question?
• 4208[21:46:18] <dcz> yeah but nobody there
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• 4214[21:47:46] <macrobat> I have no idea, maybe ##programming?
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• 4216[21:48:44] <dcz> okey thank you
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• 4219[21:50:02] <donald> hello
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• 4221[21:50:35] <ironpillow_> dioz, ran the installation still "no ethernet card was detected"
• 4222[21:50:37] <donald> I would like to list the firmware I forgot to download during the installation
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• 4224[21:50:47] <donald> What is the name of this command
• 4225[21:51:53] <stevendale> luxio: Hewwo o3o
• 4226[21:52:12] <stevendale> luxio: I see yew hard at work supporting people everytime I come in here o3o
• 4227[21:52:43] <bluntrock> hello, i've used debian a long time and am interested in running unstable in a vm. the debian wiki is unclear and most guides seem inaccurate in editing sources.list
• 4228[21:53:09] <stevendale> bluntrock: I might be able to help yew ^^
• 4229[21:53:19] <greycat> bluntrock: use debootstrap
• 4230[21:53:50] <stevendale> But like greycat said, there's tools/guis for editing it already, only very experienced users edit it manually o3o
• 4231[21:53:52] <luxio> stevendale: what
• 4232[21:53:55] <luxio> who are you
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• 4235[21:54:08] <greycat> Are you kidding? EVERYONE edits sources.list manually.
• 4236[21:54:08] <stevendale> luxio: Just some random dwaggie ^.^
• 4237[21:54:14] <greycat> Change jessie to unstable. apt-get update. done.
• 4238[21:54:30] <bluntrock> thanks stevendale, is it switching the main jessie line to sid and commenting out updates and security?
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• 4240[21:54:45] <greycat> An unstable user should know how to do this.
• 4241[21:54:46] <jmcnaught> donald: "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to look for firmware errors
• 4242[21:55:14] <donald> do you imagine how I hate the "experienced user" that waste all his time and life into debian's configuration?
• 4243[21:55:17] <donald> tx
• 4244[21:55:19] <donald> thanks
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• 4247[21:56:17] <bluntrock> i read the note on the security team's take on unstable, and that makes sense
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• 4249[21:56:41] <jmcnaught> ironpillow_: do you know the pciid of the network card? if you run "lspci -nn | grep -i net" it will be a number that looks like [1234:abcd].
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• 4251[21:57:04] <donald> failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw (-2)
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• 4253[21:57:19] <donald> jmcnaught
• 4254[21:57:40] <jmcnaught> donald: that's in the firmware-realtek package
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• 4258[21:58:23] <donald> apt-get install firmware-realtek ?
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• 4261[21:58:32] <donald> how do you know that?
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• 4266[21:59:36] <donald> jmcnaught
• 4267[21:59:37] <jmcnaught> donald: excellent selective memory. you can use apt-file to search for files in packages, or packages.debian.org
• 4268[21:59:50] <donald> :)
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• 4271[22:00:28] <bluntrock> so an unstable system is governed by one apt source listing: ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main
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• 4273[22:00:35] <jmcnaught> donald: you can also ask the judd bot: "/msg judd file rtl8168e-3.fw"
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• 4275[22:00:49] <greycat> bluntrock: for unstable support, join #debian-next on irc.debian.org (not this network)
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• 4277[22:01:12] <donald> replaced-url
• 4278[22:01:14] <donald> :/
• 4279[22:01:26] <ironpillow_> jmcnaught, 8086:1f41
• 4280[22:01:49] <ironpillow_> jmcnaught, here is the driver replaced-url
• 4281[22:02:05] <donald> replaced-url
• 4282[22:02:10] <donald> nice work
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• 4284[22:02:29] <bluntrock> thanks for the tip greycat, will join in the future
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• 4286[22:02:58] <jmcnaught> judd: pciid 8086:1f41
• 4287[22:02:59] <judd> [8086:1f41] is 'Ethernet Connection I354' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'igb', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 4292[22:04:10] <jmcnaught> ironpillow_: you probably don't need to download the driver from intel, that module "igb" is included in jessie
• 4293[22:05:13] <jmcnaught> ironpillow_: does "lsmod | grep igb" give you a result (no result means module is not loaded)
• 4294[22:05:29] <ironpillow_> jmcnaught, when the prompt "no ethernet card was detected" showed up I selected "igb" but the screen flashes and shows me the same list again and again
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• 4297[22:06:29] <jmcnaught> ironpillow_: oh, you're in the installer right now? did the installer prompt you about missing firmwares?
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• 4299[22:06:36] <ironpillow_> jmcnaught, for the above cmd, I get a list "igb", i2c_algo_bit, i2c_core, dca, ptp
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• 4302[22:07:32] <ironpillow_> jmcnaught, I can do the installation process again. I am went ahead and installed it but i have no internet. just using terminal.
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• 4311[22:10:23] <jmcnaught> ironpillow_: "lspci -k" will show you the kernel module in use for each PCI device, does your ethernet controller have that (or maybe a different) module listed?
• 4312[22:10:56] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: lspci -k | grep -A2 Ethernet <-- makes it easier
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• 4314[22:12:02] <donald> replaced-url
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• 4317[22:13:22] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: it shows: "Ethernet controller: Intel Corp Ethernet Connection I354. Subsystem: Intel corporation Ethernet connection I354" four times. And lastly on fifth line: USB Controller: Intel corp ....Enhanced host controller. Subsystem: Device 00f0:455d
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• 4319[22:13:42] <jmcnaught> donald: this is after you installed the firmware-realtek package? did you reboot? you can probably get away without rebooting by using "modprobe -r <module> && modprobe <module>" but i don't know the module name
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• 4323[22:14:38] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: do you have four ethernet cards? nothing showed a line like "Kernel driver in use: ...."?
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• 4326[22:15:10] <donald> jmcnaught I have done:
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• 4328[22:15:26] <donald> apt-get install firmware-realtek
• 4329[22:15:30] <donald> apt-get update
• 4330[22:15:34] <donald> apt-get upgrade
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• 4333[22:16:08] <donald> modprobe -r realtek ; modprobe realtek
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• 4335[22:16:25] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: that's whats confusing. I have two NICs and for Ethernet there is no "kernel driver in use.."
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• 4337[22:16:33] <donald> and add main contrib non-free to the sources.list
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• 4339[22:17:15] <jmcnaught> donald: i doubt the module is called realtek. you can just reboot, which also takes care of testing that the device will work properly after a fresh boot. or check "lsmod" output for the module name
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• 4341[22:18:00] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: that is strange because you said "lsmod" found the igb module
• 4342[22:18:34] <donald> I reboot
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• 4344[22:18:41] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: yep "lsmod | grep igb" shows a list and "igb" is included in that list
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• 4346[22:18:44] <Bobbix> Hi, please help, can i use /etc/hosts to redirect ALL traffic to localhost? Like this
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• 4348[22:18:51] <Bobbix> 127.0.0.1 *
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• 4350[22:19:15] <greycat> Bobbix: No.
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• 4353[22:19:39] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: you could try using "modprobe -r igb" to unload the module, then "modprobe igb" to load it again, then immediately check the dmesg output for clues
• 4354[22:19:45] <Bobbix> ok greycat so to redirect all traffic i've to do?
• 4355[22:19:58] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: ok trying that now
• 4356[22:20:05] <Bobbix> iptables ? More complex for me
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• 4361[22:21:16] <koollman> Bobbix: why do you want to do that ?
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• 4363[22:21:27] <jmcnaught> Bobbix: you want to prevent everything on your computer from being able to access anything on the network? unplug it.
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• 4365[22:21:42] <Bobbix> Not so simple guys
• 4366[22:21:44] <Bobbix> :-)
• 4367[22:21:49] <koollman> Bobbix: so, explain more
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• 4372[22:22:31] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: dmesg shows - igb: Intel Gigabit Ethernet.... version... \n copyright ... \n probe of 0000:00:14.0 failed with error -2 \n probe of 0000:00:14.1 ...error -2 \n probe 0000:00:14.2 \n 0000:00:14.3. four of the same lines
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• 4375[22:23:06] <Bobbix> I've a website locally but i've to do a demo in a location without internet, some plugins search for internet connection and hang the site in an infinite loop, i want to redirect locally all sites to bypass this infinite search, i prefere a rapid error.
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• 4377[22:23:52] <ironpillow> 0000:00:14.[1..3] failed with error -2 but I only have two NICs :)
• 4378[22:24:06] <ironpillow> 0000:00:14.[0..3] failed with error -2 but I only have two NICs :)
• 4379[22:24:07] <Langley> Help, when I try to turn HDMI1 off with "xrandr --output HDMI1 --off" it gives an error that it cannot deactive last output, and reverts it.
• 4380[22:24:13] <koollman> Bobbix: so, unplugging / stopping the network would actually be a good option
• 4381[22:24:15] <karlpinc> Bobbix: Use dnsmasq to resolve all domain names to localhost.
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• 4383[22:24:42] <karlpinc> (Actually I don't know if dnsmasq is up to the job, but you get the idea.)
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• 4386[22:24:58] <koollman> no outgoing route, no delay, afaik
• 4387[22:25:00] <karlpinc> unbound would surely work.
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• 4391[22:25:16] <Bobbix> koollman: no, i was already unplugged and the site loop for a lor of times giving me a partial page content after a long time... i want this result imediatly.
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• 4397[22:25:38] <Bobbix> karlpinc: where is dnsmasq
• 4398[22:25:41] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: is there anyway I can igb-5.3.3.5.tar.gz file I downloaded from intel to the firmware folder of Debian iso?
• 4399[22:25:43] <donald> replaced-url
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• 4401[22:25:52] <donald> jmcnaught
• 4402[22:26:00] <okee> How do I hide the .files that are listed in my directory tree? I currently see file names with and without the dot.
• 4403[22:26:04] <karlpinc> Bobbix: They are both packages.
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• 4406[22:26:11] <greycat> ironpillow: That file is most likely source code that would have to be compiled after installation.
• 4407[22:26:21] <karlpinc> okee: Using what tool?
• 4408[22:26:34] <Bobbix> karlpinc: ok, i'm reading a guide about this
• 4409[22:26:48] <okee> karlpinc> If I knew the tool, I wouldn't have posted on here. What do you recommend? i am not changing permissions, just display.
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• 4411[22:26:54] <Bobbix> karlpinc: Thanks a lot, i will try
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• 4413[22:27:08] <koollman> Bobbix: your network was probably not entirely down
• 4414[22:27:23] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: that tarball probably isn't a firmware, but source code for a driver. the debian kernel already has drivers for this card. maybe those drivers are better, but they're going to cause other problems (like needing to be recompiled manually every time there's a kernel update)
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• 4416[22:27:39] <koollman> just did a quick test. 'network unreachable' is instantaneous :)
• 4417[22:27:40] <karlpinc> okee: If you don't know what tool you are using that gives you the display you don't want, we can't help you configure the tool.
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• 4419[22:27:51] <Bobbix> koollman: What y're saying?
• 4420[22:28:01] <okee> karlpinc> I am using a graphical display in Debian Linux.
• 4421[22:28:07] <jmcnaught> donald: looks like it's loading the realtek firmware now, not sure what the other errors are. did you web search them?
• 4422[22:28:19] <donald> no
• 4423[22:28:25] <greycat> okee: the question was what *program* you're running to see the files. Apparently not /bin/ls.
• 4424[22:28:29] <koollman> Bobbix: I'm saying the easiest way is not to redirect traffic. it's to make sure you have no network working first. there will be no wait
• 4425[22:28:31] <Dipper2> Hi
• 4426[22:28:35] <donald> [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
• 4427[22:28:35] <karlpinc> Bobbix: he's saying that unplugging the network should work.
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• 4429[22:28:39] <Dipper2> Which debian version to install?
• 4430[22:28:45] <donald> [Firmware Bug]: No valid trip found
• 4431[22:28:47] <Dipper2> 3.1r0a is okay?
• 4432[22:28:48] <donald> that is all
• 4433[22:28:48] <greycat> Dipper2: stable, unless you have a specific reason not to
• 4434[22:28:54] <greycat> No, 3.1 is ancient.
• 4435[22:28:54] <Dipper2> greycat, 3.1r0a is okay?
• 4436[22:29:00] <Dipper2> replaced-url
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• 4438[22:29:04] <greycat> Current stable is 8.4.
• 4439[22:29:06] <karlpinc> okee: Graphical displays just sit there until you run a program. What program are you running?
• 4440[22:29:07] <Dipper2> 6.0.6?
• 4441[22:29:11] <okee> greycat> greycat> The files show up when i enter the "home" directory, and then select the username.
• 4442[22:29:17] <greycat> Why do you troll us? Don't you have a life?
• 4443[22:29:18] <ironpillow> greycat & jmcnaught how can I do that? can I compile on my ubuntu machine and copy them to the /firmware folder os the iso and install debian on another machine?
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• 4446[22:29:25] <jmcnaught> donald: are you having problems with your system other than a message in dmesg? see if you can find clues online
• 4447[22:29:29] <Bobbix> karlpinc: i was already unplugged, with battery in a public space without connection, no 3g, no wifi, nothing
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• 4449[22:29:40] <Dipper2> 8.4 jessie
• 4450[22:29:40] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: drivers and firmware are two different things
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• 4452[22:29:53] <donald> actually I can not build a pakage know as txtorcon
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• 4454[22:30:01] <Dipper2> this shit is slow
• 4455[22:30:01] <okee> greycat> The dot files don't show up when switching directories to /home, at the command prompt.
• 4456[22:30:03] <Dipper2> 100 kb/s
• 4457[22:30:10] <Dipper2> replaced-url
• 4458[22:30:14] <greycat> okee: That's because ls hides files beginning with .
• 4459[22:30:15] <Dipper2> what is the connection?
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• 4462[22:30:41] <okee> greycat> how do I hid files beginning with . in the gui?
• 4463[22:30:51] <karlpinc> okee: Some program is doing the drawing on the screen, when you are not at the command line. So, what program is it?
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• 4466[22:30:57] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: so any links/blog on how to compile a driver and add it to iso
• 4467[22:30:58] <jmcnaught> donald: that's probably completely unrelated to the firmware trip message
• 4468[22:30:59] <greycat> okee: don't know. It would depend on *what GUI program* you are talking about.
• 4469[22:31:23] <okee> karlpinc> I am using the XFCE interface, and that is about all I can tell you.
• 4470[22:31:27] <donald> thanks
• 4471[22:31:29] <donald> bye
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• 4473[22:31:37] <okee> greycat> I am using the XFCE interface.
• 4474[22:31:40] <tommy561> Can someone help me with installing spotify? I get the error: spotify: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0:
• 4475[22:31:44] <greycat> Dipper2: we don't know what connection sourceforge uses.
• 4476[22:32:09] <Bobbix> karlpinc: ther's a way to setting the browser offline? I remember an option visible in the menu of an old firefox
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• 4478[22:32:11] <Dipper2> I mean the speedtest
• 4479[22:32:17] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: not really. i think trying to figure out why the debian kernel gets that error is a better route. maybe a newer kernel from backports would help. is this a new computer? contact supplier support, or intel?
• 4480[22:32:19] <greycat> Dipper2: sourceforge is not debian.
• 4481[22:32:25] <Dipper2> greycat, ??????
• 4482[22:32:30] <Dipper2> I need image for virtualbox
• 4483[22:32:30] <greycat> No, really.
• 4484[22:32:37] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: I can't compile it on the debian machine because it says make cmd now available.
• 4485[22:32:37] <Dipper2> .__.
• 4486[22:32:42] <karlpinc> okee: There is no "about" menu item, maybe under "help" to tell you what you are running? You could use the ps command from the command line to tell also.
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• 4489[22:33:26] <okee> karlpinc> I am running Thunar 1.2.3
• 4490[22:33:30] <karlpinc> okee: My xfce comes with thunar file manager. It does not show files beginning with a ".".
• 4491[22:33:51] <karlpinc> okee: Humm. What version of debian?
• 4492[22:33:54] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: is this a server? i think compiling ethernet drivers from source would be a measure of last resort, especially when the debian kernel already includes modules for this device
• 4493[22:34:03] <greycat> there might be a setting or something, who knows... stupid GUIs. just click everywhere with every mouse button
• 4494[22:34:03] <okee> karlpinc> My files are displayed both ways: beginning and not beginning with a dot.
• 4495[22:34:13] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: ok. I am using debian 8.4 linux 3.16.0.4-amd64
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• 4497[22:34:57] <okee> karlpinc> I am running Debian Jessie Stable. However there are configuration issues that I still haven't corrected since the upgrade, such as foreign drives not showing up, etc. I will work on that next week.
• 4498[22:35:03] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: did you research those errors online? you might find a solution that doesn't involve compiling drivers from source
• 4499[22:35:19] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: have the cards worked before in a different OS?
• 4500[22:35:27] <markybob> okee: jessie has thunar 1.6.3-2
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• 4502[22:35:34] <markybob> okee: so no
• 4503[22:35:41] <greycat> tommy521: What version of Debian?
• 4504[22:35:50] <karlpinc> okee: I'm running jessie and have thunar 1.6.3. Something is very wrong with your system if you have 1.2.3.
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• 4506[22:36:43] <tommy521> greycat, wheezy
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• 4508[22:36:50] <greycat> ,v libssl1.0.0 wheezy
• 4509[22:36:53] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20
• 4510[22:36:59] <okee> karlpinc> I just tried upgradeing thunar, and found a number of unmet dependencies.
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• 4512[22:37:04] <greycat> tommy521: OK, it should be there. apt-get install libssl1.0.0
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• 4515[22:37:32] <markybob> okee: pastebin your sources.list
• 4516[22:37:37] <tommy521> E: Package 'libssl1.0.0' has no installation candidate
• 4517[22:37:42] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: this is the first time I am using this board. I contacted the supplier and they said "to our understanding you need to include drivers from Intel site manually"
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• 4519[22:37:50] <Bobbix> karlpinc: and koollman: you are right... Debian is installed ina a virtualbox and the external network adapter was virtually "plugged", so i will try to unplug the network adapter also in the virtual configuration.
• 4520[22:38:00] <Bobbix> Thanks a LOT to you.
• 4521[22:38:00] <tommy521> Guess I need to update my sources.list ? Running kali, but based on debian wheezy
• 4522[22:38:11] <okee> markybob> replaced-url
• 4523[22:38:20] <markybob> tommy521: we don't care about kali and it's not supported here
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• 4525[22:38:47] <markybob> okee: not what i asked for
• 4526[22:38:57] <markybob> jesus it's not even sunday
• 4527[22:39:11] <okee> markybob> Leave jesus alone.....:)
• 4528[22:39:16] <greycat> tommy521: Kali is not supported here. Go to the Kali channel.
• 4529[22:39:25] <okee> markybob> What did you ask for?
• 4530[22:39:31] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: I don't mind installing them manually but i get "make command not found" and apt-get does not work because I don't have internet.
• 4531[22:39:37] <markybob> okee i'll leave you alone too
• 4532[22:39:40] <tommy521> ok, thanks anyway
• 4533[22:39:47] <okee> markybob> I am not jesus.
• 4534[22:40:09] <okee> markybob> What did you ask for?
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• 4536[22:41:08] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: according to this bug, the driver for your card was backported to wheezy's 3.2 kernel and should also be available in jessie's kernel: replaced-url
• 4537[22:41:09] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 4539[22:42:19] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: got it. i will try to find out more about the errors.
• 4540[22:42:29] <okee> markybob> Does jessie use xfce5 or xfce4?
• 4541[22:42:34] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: if you install drivers from source, every time a kernel update happens you'll need to remember to recompile the drivers manually before rebooting, or no more network after the restart. if you spend a bunch of time research the errors you get in dmesg and get nowhere and you decide to compile from source anyways, reinstall debian using a larger CD/DVD image that includes more packages
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• 4544[22:43:05] <greycat> okee: On your system, you can run: dpkg -l | grep xfce
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• 4546[22:43:35] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: thanks!
• 4547[22:44:11] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: best of luck :) as you research the issue feel free to ask the channel for feedback on clues etc
• 4548[22:44:40] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: will do. thanks for taking the time.
• 4549[22:45:11] <Gjax> arg.. why is apt pinning så complicated?
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• 4551[22:45:19] <greycat> Because it's useless.
• 4552[22:45:31] <okee> I just fixed the dependency problem, and the thunar package is now upgrading.
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• 4563[22:51:22] <okee> greycat> This is the results of dpkg -l | grep xfce I still can't get thunar to upgrade to the 1.6 version, but no longer receiving dependency errors.
• 4564[22:51:26] <okee> replaced-url
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• 4566[22:51:49] <greycat> I don't want to see the result. I was just teaching you how you can find out the answer to "Am I running xfce 4 or 5".
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• 4569[22:53:18] <okee> thunar shows up as 1.6.3-2 with the dpkg command, but not in the gui replaced-url
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• 4572[22:53:33] <greycat> You have to restart the program.
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• 4574[22:53:47] <greycat> Which may mean logging out and back in, or closing some window and re-launching it, who knows.
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• 4592[23:02:31] <anonnumberanon> cat /etc/timezone
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• 4594[23:02:53] <anonnumberanon> shows the right location, however my time is incorrect, one more hour after the actual time
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• 4597[23:03:24] <jmcnaught> okee: i noticed the permission error on line #1 of your paste replaced-url
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• 4600[23:04:39] <okee> jmcnaught> I am not sure. It all started with the upgrade to Jessie, not that it has anything to do with something. I did fix the dependency problems with Thunar, and all files show up as updated with dpkg -l. However, it hasn't taken effect. Maybe I need to reboot?
• 4601[23:04:42] <jmcnaught> okee: for example, the file /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File on my system can be read by regular users
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• 4603[23:05:27] <anonnumberanon> I did this to change the time: sudo date --set 21:08:0
• 4604[23:05:37] <jmcnaught> okee: nah, i don't think a reboot will fix anything. i'm wondering if there was some sort of "chmod -R" command done in the past that was overly broad?
• 4605[23:05:42] <HelloAtMega> hi
• 4606[23:05:42] <DANtheBEASTman> HelloAtMega: hi
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• 4608[23:05:55] <HelloAtMega> Hi
• 4609[23:05:57] <jmcnaught> okee: what is the output of "stat /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File" ?
• 4610[23:06:02] <HelloAtMega> Hello
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• 4612[23:06:07] <anonnumberanon> It worked but I guess I have to spend a long time making this automatic because the operating system does not take care of that by default.
• 4613[23:06:08] <HelloAtMega> DANtheBEASTman,
• 4614[23:06:33] <HelloAtMega> wondering if you were a bot
• 4615[23:06:45] <HelloAtMega> I need some help
• 4616[23:06:49] <okee> jmcnaught> I have added execute privileges to the users in /avar/lib/dpkg/trigges/file
• 4617[23:06:55] <HelloAtMega> I'm using Debian Jessie 8.3
• 4618[23:07:06] <okee> jmcnaught> I have added execute privileges to the users in /var/lib/dpkg/trigges/file
• 4619[23:07:08] <jmcnaught> anonnumberanon: is your hardware clock set to UTC or local time (which sometimes happens with windows dual boot)?
• 4620[23:07:10] <okee> type. Sorry
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• 4622[23:07:19] <HelloAtMega> and I have made a small change to try to deactivate the ssh-agent gnome-keyring integration
• 4623[23:07:23] <jmcnaught> okee: why did you do that?
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• 4628[23:07:34] <HelloAtMega> How can I check if it is really deactivated
• 4629[23:07:34] <HelloAtMega> ?
• 4630[23:07:46] <okee> jmcnaught> I thought you said it should have execute privileges?
• 4631[23:07:57] <anonnumberanon> jmcnaught, I should not have to worry about those details though heh :)
• 4632[23:07:59] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: because you want to use a different ssh-agent?
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• 4635[23:08:19] <anonnumberanon> jmcnaught, That was my point.
• 4636[23:08:23] <okee> jmcnaught> I have removed the execute privileges from /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File
• 4637[23:08:36] <HelloAtMega> jmcnaught, do I have to have a reason? I just wanted to use openssh
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• 4639[23:08:54] <HelloAtMega> or openssl, I always confuse both
• 4640[23:09:04] <jmcnaught> anonnumberanon: it's kinda hard to help you troubleshoot if you don't answer questions
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• 4642[23:09:44] <HelloAtMega> jmcnaught, I can tell ya the whole story
• 4643[23:09:51] <HelloAtMega> but I doubt if you are interested
• 4644[23:10:03] <HelloAtMega> do you want to hear it?
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• 4646[23:10:14] <HelloAtMega> oops
• 4647[23:10:23] <anonnumberanon> No, I know you want to help that's awesome. I am just complaining about this that's all, not gonna take the time to fix something if it should have been done by default, if I do that I will bury myself into Linux development and that's pretty much a career change for me at this point.
• 4648[23:10:24] <HelloAtMega> thought you were talking to me!
• 4649[23:10:26] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: i don't care about the reason really, but if you want to test if it's disabled it makes a difference. try connecting with ssh using a key, then do it again with the same key. if it asks for the password again, you disabled ssh-agent
• 4650[23:10:26] <HelloAtMega> sorry
• 4651[23:10:28] <anonnumberanon> jmcnaught,
• 4652[23:10:53] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: or if you want to make sure it's a different ssh-agent that does this, it would be a different test
• 4653[23:11:11] <HelloAtMega> yeah the last one would be my interest
• 4654[23:11:31] <HelloAtMega> I tried to delete all keys from ssh-agent
• 4655[23:11:35] <anonnumberanon> At the rate at which I install Linux on machines and dual boots, if I have to worry about this every time I will turn into a simple code monkey.
• 4656[23:11:36] <HelloAtMega> to make new ones
• 4657[23:11:42] <jmcnaught> anonnumberanon: the most common cause for this type of problem is the hardware clock set to local time. linux systems should have hardware clock set to UTC
• 4658[23:11:42] <HelloAtMega> to renew them, you know
• 4659[23:11:49] <HelloAtMega> I had the old ones for too long now
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• 4662[23:11:59] <HelloAtMega> but
• 4663[23:12:10] <HelloAtMega> when I tried to remove them with ssh-add -D
• 4664[23:12:11] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: it's hard to follow you when you hit <enter> so much while others are talking :)
• 4665[23:12:30] <HelloAtMega> ok, sorry... I'll write longer sentences without enter
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• 4668[23:13:47] <HelloAtMega> when I tried to remove them with ssh-add -D, some were deleted but some didn't... So I googled and I ended up acknowledging that there was kind of a bug when using ssh-add -D if Gnome-keyring ssh-agent was being used
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• 4675[23:15:38] <HelloAtMega> so, to try to remove all keys from ssh-agent, I followed some steps in some site that stated that a solution would be to copy the file gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop from /etc/xdg/autostart
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• 4677[23:16:05] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: oh i see. i wonder if sending a SIGHUP to gnome-keyring-daemon would make it forget the keys. removing the /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop is probably what i'd try
• 4678[23:16:09] <HelloAtMega> to ~/.config/autostart/ and add a line "Hidden=true" to the end of the file... So I did
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• 4681[23:16:42] <jmcnaught> (that file is a conffile so dpkg would remember that you'd removed it)
• 4682[23:16:46] <HelloAtMega> I didn't removed it... I copied it from that former folder to the last folder I stated
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• 4684[23:17:51] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: okay. so now when you ssh to a system, do you get that gnome style modal dialogue asking for the passphrase, or does it ask in the terminal?
• 4685[23:18:09] <HelloAtMega> hum, wait...
• 4686[23:18:13] <HelloAtMega> I have a vps server
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• 4688[23:18:21] <HelloAtMega> can I try something with it?
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• 4690[23:18:39] <HelloAtMega> I'm a noob, not an expert... So, It might be a good idea if you tell me the steps
• 4691[23:18:51] <HelloAtMega> I'm sorry for the inconvenience
• 4692[23:18:53] <percY-> Is anyone using a Mellanox Connectx-2 with the latest version of Jessie?
• 4693[23:19:00] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: try using ssh to connect to it, see what happens
• 4694[23:19:05] <HelloAtMega> ok
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• 4696[23:20:03] <teraflops> HelloAtMega: you can do a lot of things for fun and profit.
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• 4698[23:20:25] <HelloAtMega> I did this: ssh -p <ssh-port> <user-name>@<vps-server-ip>
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• 4702[23:20:45] <HelloAtMega> it asked me for my password, not for a passphrase
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• 4705[23:21:53] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: which works, the public key passphrase, or the user's password on that system?
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• 4708[23:22:20] <HelloAtMega> I still have not tried to use any RSA key to login
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• 4711[23:22:37] <HelloAtMega> so, the password is working... the username password...
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• 4713[23:22:54] <HelloAtMega> I'm not sure if I'm answering to your questions correctly
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• 4715[23:23:02] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: also you said there was a problem with "ssh-add -D" not removing all identities, but did you try "ssh-add -d path/to/public/key" ?
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• 4718[23:23:18] <HelloAtMega> I might not be correctly understanding your questions!
• 4719[23:23:22] <HelloAtMega> ah
• 4720[23:23:26] <HelloAtMega> that is another matter
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• 4723[23:23:40] <HelloAtMega> at this point I ended up deleting the known_hots content
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• 4725[23:23:45] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: well i think what you're trying to verify is that ssh-agent/gnome-keyring no longer remembers passphrases for you. no?
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• 4727[23:23:59] <HelloAtMega> and I think after that, no identities are at ssh-agent
• 4728[23:24:06] <HelloAtMega> yes
• 4729[23:24:22] <HelloAtMega> I want to make sure the gnome-keyring ssh-agent integration is disabled
• 4730[23:24:25] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: known_hosts is different than your user's authentication keys.
• 4731[23:24:40] <HelloAtMega> hum
• 4732[23:24:56] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: so test it by logging in using a public key, do it twice.
• 4733[23:24:57] <HelloAtMega> but at this point ssh-add -l returns nothing
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• 4735[23:25:21] <HelloAtMega> ok, so to do that, I create a new pair of RSA keys using openssl, right?
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• 4737[23:25:45] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: did you not already have an ssh key pair for your user?
• 4738[23:25:47] <HelloAtMega> then upload the pub key to the vps server and use the private key to try to login to the server, right?
• 4739[23:25:54] <HelloAtMega> yes
• 4740[23:25:58] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: perhaps you've simply confused host keys with user keys?
• 4741[23:26:03] <HelloAtMega> just wanted to make sure that what I have done so far was valid
• 4742[23:26:27] <HelloAtMega> I deleted the host_keys content... That is a fact
• 4743[23:26:38] <HelloAtMega> no, known_hosts
• 4744[23:26:39] <HelloAtMega> sorry
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• 4746[23:26:55] <HelloAtMega> I deleted the content of the file known_hosts file
• 4747[23:27:07] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: known_hosts has nothing to do with ssh-agent
• 4748[23:27:18] <HelloAtMega> and after that I did ssh-add -D and then ssh-add -l and the last command returned nothing after these procedures
• 4749[23:27:22] <HelloAtMega> ok
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• 4751[23:27:46] <HelloAtMega> so I'm going to try my new key to login to the server
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• 4753[23:28:02] <HelloAtMega> but before that I need to make sure that I have done everything correctly
• 4754[23:28:19] <HelloAtMega> I have created the new pair of RSA keys in my personal computer
• 4755[23:28:35] <HelloAtMega> so, I need to upload the pub key to the vps server, right?
• 4756[23:28:54] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: every ssh server has a host key. ssh clients use the server's host keys to verify/authenticate they're talking to the correct server. the trust model used is called TOFU, Trust ON First Use. When you connect to a server the first time, it asks you to verify the fingerprint of the server's host key, then save the host key in known_hosts
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• 4758[23:29:48] <HelloAtMega> hum, I see
• 4759[23:29:53] <HelloAtMega> I remember that, indeed
• 4760[23:30:03] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: yes, after creating your user's ssh keypair, you can use "ssh-copy-id user@example.com" to copy your user's public key to the server. it ends up in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server
• 4761[23:30:17] <HelloAtMega> yes
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• 4765[23:31:38] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: anyways, ssh-agent, ssh-add, gnome-keyring have nothing to do with the SSH host keys or ~/.ssh/known_hosts. They work with the user's keys, not the hosts.
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• 4767[23:31:54] <HelloAtMega> ok
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• 4770[23:32:30] <HelloAtMega> so the content of the vps server file known_hosts is an id that tells to the server that I have connected to it at least once... Am I correct?
• 4771[23:32:33] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: the advantage of using ssh-agent is that you can put a very long password on the ssh key and only have to type it once per session, which is more secure than a shorter password that you type all the time
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• 4775[23:33:05] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: the vps will only have a known_hosts file if you have been using an ssh client running on the vps
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• 4780[23:33:56] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: your local computer keeps a copy of the VPS's host key in known_hosts after the first time (TOFU)
• 4781[23:33:57] <HelloAtMega> aarrrgghhh... I'm still not fully aware of the ssh system operation
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• 4783[23:34:06] <HelloAtMega> hum, ok
• 4784[23:34:24] <NochmalVerhext> Hey guys. How does one i about removing an encrypted container from my harddrive? When i lsblk it show /dev/sda and tthen a 'container' under it. In the type field it says 'crypt'. I tried zapping all of sda with gdisk, but the container is still there. I'm not too sure how to go about getting rid of it
• 4785[23:34:44] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: once it clicks for you it'll be simple.
• 4786[23:34:46] <HelloAtMega> so if I delete the content of my PC known_hosts file and if I try to connect to the server, it will ask me to save the server host key
• 4787[23:34:57] <HelloAtMega> right?
• 4788[23:35:24] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: yeah, if you delete known_hosts on your local computer, your ssh client needs to ask you to verify each remote server's HOST key again
• 4789[23:35:35] <HelloAtMega> ok
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• 4791[23:36:05] <HelloAtMega> and what about the server known_hosts file? Is there any?
• 4792[23:36:27] <HelloAtMega> Does that file in the server also saves my local computer host key copy?
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• 4794[23:36:50] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: if you're logged into the remote server and use the remote server's ssh client to connect to another system, then it has a known_hosts file with the host keys of the other server it connected to
• 4795[23:37:04] <HelloAtMega> ok
• 4796[23:37:08] <HelloAtMega> so after this
• 4797[23:37:29] <HelloAtMega> I want to use an RSA key to avoid writing my password everytime I want to connect to the server
• 4798[23:37:46] <HelloAtMega> so I create a pair of RSA keys, a pub and a private key... Right?
• 4799[23:37:56] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: yes, so far so good
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• 4802[23:38:11] <HelloAtMega> I forgot to ask something within the last question
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• 4804[23:38:31] <HelloAtMega> that pair of keys, are created in the vps server or in my local computer or is it irrelevant?
• 4805[23:38:55] <bezaban> you want to create it locally
• 4806[23:39:07] <bezaban> or wherever they are to be used
• 4807[23:39:11] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: create the client keypair on the computer you use as a client
• 4808[23:39:17] <HelloAtMega> ok, so that I don't have to push my provate key over the internet to the server, right?
• 4809[23:39:51] <HelloAtMega> ?
• 4810[23:39:53] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: the private key remains private, never share it. the public key is safe to copy anywhere you want to use it like servers, services like github etc
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• 4812[23:40:06] <bezaban> indeed. so use a passphrase for the private key.
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• 4814[23:40:28] <HelloAtMega> ok
• 4815[23:40:57] <HelloAtMega> so, I used to copy the pub with the scp command
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• 4817[23:41:09] <HelloAtMega> is it more secure as ssh-copy-id
• 4818[23:41:13] <HelloAtMega> or is it less secure
• 4819[23:41:15] <bezaban> same
• 4820[23:41:16] <HelloAtMega> or is it the same?
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• 4822[23:41:24] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: ssh-copy-id is easier, that's the only difference
• 4823[23:41:52] <HelloAtMega> ok good... and the final result is the same... As far as I noticed, it not only copies the file as adds it to the ssh agent, no?
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• 4825[23:41:59] <HelloAtMega> in the vps server ssh-agent
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• 4827[23:42:29] <HelloAtMega> this is another point I need to understand... Why is it needed to be added to the ssh-agent???
• 4828[23:42:33] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: the vps server isn't using ssh-agent unless it's also being used as a client to connect to other servers. ssh-agent is strictly client site
• 4829[23:42:34] <bezaban> ssh agent is a different think for caching keys
• 4830[23:42:56] <HelloAtMega> ok
• 4831[23:43:00] <HelloAtMega> I got that
• 4832[23:43:01] <bezaban> you add the pubkey to your authorized_keys file, by default ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
• 4833[23:43:08] <bezaban> brb
• 4834[23:43:16] <HelloAtMega> and that is what the command ssh-add does?
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• 4836[23:43:19] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: ssh-agent basically keeps an unlocked copy of the private key in RAM (never written to disk), so that you don't have to retype the key's passphrase all the time
• 4837[23:43:33] <HelloAtMega> append the RSA pub key to the authorized_keys file?
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• 4839[23:44:27] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: ssh-add unlocks the key in RAM so the passphrase doesn't need to be retyped over and over. gnome-keyring does the ssh-add step automatically for you the first time you use the key after logging into gnome
• 4840[23:44:43] <HelloAtMega> hum, ok
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• 4842[23:44:54] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: ssh-copy-id is what appends the public key to authorized_keys on the server
• 4843[23:45:09] <HelloAtMega> ok, so I'm going to do that
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• 4846[23:45:44] <HelloAtMega> jmcnaught, just to make sure that I'm going to do this as if it was for the first time
• 4847[23:45:54] <HelloAtMega> what should I delete/remove on the vps server?
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• 4849[23:46:26] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: to remove a client key from the VPS server so that it can no longer be used to login, remove it from the authorized_keys file
• 4850[23:46:47] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: and stop deleting your known_hosts file on your local PC :)
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• 4852[23:46:59] <HelloAtMega> ok
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• 4854[23:48:31] <HelloAtMega> to write "empty" content to auhtorized_keys file can I issue the following command: cat /dev/null > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ???
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• 4856[23:48:57] <bezaban> you can remove the file entirely, or the whole .ssh directory if you like
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• 4858[23:49:18] <bezaban> it will re-prompt for the host key if you do the latter though
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• 4860[23:49:32] <bezaban> no. nvm
• 4861[23:49:34] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: also each key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is on a single line (that wraps because they're long) so you can also just edit with a file
• 4862[23:50:00] <jmcnaught> heh.. edit with a text editor, not a file
• 4863[23:50:02] <HelloAtMega> going to remove .ssh folder
• 4864[23:50:41] <HelloAtMega> ok, done
• 4865[23:51:03] <HelloAtMega> going to ssh-copy-id
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• 4872[23:54:43] <HelloAtMega> ok, I think it's done
• 4873[23:54:50] <bezaban> :)
• 4874[23:55:03] <HelloAtMega> the pub key is copied
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• 4877[23:55:40] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: now when you ssh to the VPS, it should ask for the client key's passphrase
• 4878[23:55:42] <HelloAtMega> now, if I try to login, I won't be asked for the password, is that it?
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• 4880[23:55:54] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: try it and see :)
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• 4883[23:56:49] <HelloAtMega> it is wasking for my password
• 4884[23:56:50] <HelloAtMega> :(
• 4885[23:56:57] <dioz> did you restart the service
• 4886[23:57:00] <dioz> after you edit the config
• 4887[23:57:07] <HelloAtMega> nope
• 4888[23:57:09] <jmcnaught> dioz: huh?
• 4889[23:57:10] <HelloAtMega> let me do it
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• 4892[23:58:04] <dioz> jmcnaught: huh?
• 4893[23:58:16] <bezaban> ssh-add <path to private key> ; ssh host
• 4894[23:58:39] <jmcnaught> dioz: you don't need to restart any services after copying an ssh public key to a server
• 4895[23:58:39] <dioz> i don't even know what you guys are talking about tbh.
• 4896[23:58:43] <bezaban> er, or I'm just used to ssh-agent, not sure how gnome-keyring handles it
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• 4899[23:59:01] <jmcnaught> dioz: so why jump in and confuse someone who was already confused enough?
• 4900[23:59:10] <dioz> jmcnaught: i never said you did. i asked about restarting the service once you've editted the config file
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