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37 [00:29:47] <teatime> hrm, what's a good package for
authoritative DNS that isn't BIND ?
38 [00:30:05] <celyr> bind
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42 [00:32:44] <celyr> there is also unbound but
43 [00:32:51] <celyr> not really applicable heh
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46 [00:33:54] <abrotman> pdns ?
47 [00:34:26] <abrotman> but .. bind
48 [00:34:26] <celyr> not authorative.
49 [00:34:39] <abrotman> pdns can be authoritative
50 [00:34:52] <abrotman> you have to install teh correct package
51 [00:35:38] <teatime> pdns is the only cantidate so far
52 [00:35:45] <abrotman> for what?
53 [00:35:50] <abrotman> use bind .. it's not hard
54 [00:36:03] <annadane> now now, they shouldn't feel bound
to use bind
55 [00:36:04] <teatime> thank you for your input.
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57 [00:36:07] <abrotman> teatime: what is wrong with bind?
58 [00:36:24] <teatime> nothing, it's a fine dns server.
59 [00:36:49] <abrotman> you just can't use it as an
authoritative DNS server because ... ?
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61 [00:37:05] <teatime> I can and am.
62 [00:37:22] <rant> abrotman: you got something against people
exploring other options? :P
63 [00:37:30] <abrotman> rant: no, just you
64 [00:37:39] <abrotman> teatime: well, then your initial query
is confusing :)
65 [00:37:59] <teatime> I've used bind for 15+ years, and
also used and enjoyed using djbdns in the distant past
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67 [00:38:22] <abrotman> weirdo :)
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72 [00:42:36] <rant> abrotman: I didn't know we were
exclusive :-/
73 [00:43:01] <abrotman> Trust me, I'm not the only one :)
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90 [00:58:27] <tw> powerdns has a non-authoritative mode?
91 [00:58:34] <deepfreez> Hi, why debian9 for a netinstall
without graphic (basic install) is used 3.8g?
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94 [00:59:32] <rant> deepfreez: are you asking about why an
install image is a certain size? your question is not clear.
95 [01:00:02] <rant> deepfreez: or are you asking why it takes
up so much disk space?
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97 [01:00:06] <deepfreez> I install debian, after the install OS
used 3.8gb of my storage
98 [01:00:18] <rant> deepfreez: did you check your reserved
blocks on your fs?
99 [01:00:35] <rant> deepfreez: tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sda1 or w/e
your device name is
100 [01:00:37] <deepfreez> can you help me to check?
101 [01:00:41] <oerheks> maybe swap size takes a lot?
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103 [01:00:47] <abrotman> tw: yes
104 [01:00:47] <deepfreez> no swap
105 [01:00:48] <rant> deepfreez: it defaults to 5% I believe
106 [01:01:15] <deepfreez> Setting reserved blocks percentage to
0% (0 blocks)
107 [01:01:18] <rant> deepfreez: that does seem like a bit much
though if you really only installed base
108 [01:01:26] <rant> deepfreez: check your usage now with
reserve off
109 [01:01:44] <deepfreez> how I put off the reserve?
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111 [01:01:56] <rant> deepfreez: you just did. thats what tune2fs
-m 0 did
112 [01:02:25] <deepfreez> is the same /dev/mapper/VolGroup-root
8.9G 3.8G 5.2G 43% /
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116 [01:04:03] <rant> deepfreez: du -h /var/cache/
117 [01:04:05] <rant> perhaps
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119 [01:04:14] <rant> maybe you got a bunch cached packages or
something
120 [01:04:20] <deepfreez> is smaller
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122 [01:04:37] <deepfreez> I will reinstall it again
123 [01:04:58] <deepfreez> I use this
replaced-url
124 [01:05:05] <rant> I only got 66M in /var/cache right now..
but that'd be my first guess as to where you could be
overlooking usage
125 [01:05:27] <deepfreez> 9.9Mb
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127 [01:05:52] <rant> simply reinstalling isnt really gonna
answer your question
128 [01:06:11] <rant> you wanna figure out what's actually
using that space.. heh..
129 [01:06:22] <deepfreez> When I install it I select only
openssh and envernoment something of that on the top
130 [01:06:37] <deepfreez> no website, no printer, etc..
131 [01:06:40] <rant> I haven't done a base install in
awhile but I'd guess it'd be probably at least a GB less
than what you're seeing
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133 [01:06:56] <deepfreez> yes
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135 [01:07:51] <rant> so I'd fish around and see if you
didnt maybe install something you're unaware you installed or
browse around the fs and see where the usage is
136 [01:08:15] <deepfreez> yes
137 [01:08:17] <deepfreez> let me check
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150 [01:15:50] <rant> deepfreez: du -h --max-depth 2 / | sort -h
-r | less
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154 [01:18:04] <rant> deepfreez: that may help.. here is my top
few on a MATE system for comparison
replaced-url
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158 [01:18:50] <deepfreez> let me see
159 [01:19:09] <deepfreez> thanks for this
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161 [01:19:37] <rant> really you could just replace less with
head -n 20 or such
162 [01:19:48] <rant> because you're really only gonna be
concerned with the largest ones :P
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167 [01:20:37] <deepfreez> found /dev/mapper/VolGroup-root 8.9G
852M 7.6G 10% /
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169 [01:21:15] <deepfreez> I select desktop environment ( but no
kde , gnome... ) is was automated selected
170 [01:21:27] <deepfreez> strange... because I don't select
after ... gnome
171 [01:21:53] <cheapie> "Desktop environment" installs
GNOME. Don't pick that if you want something else.
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173 [01:22:02] <deepfreez> :)) not nice
174 [01:22:17] <cheapie> What the difference is between it and
the actual GNOME option? I dunno.
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177 [01:23:48] <rant> yeah idk but 6-7GB is what a typical MATE
install comes to I'd think base only would be more like 2GB at
most
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181 [01:24:41] <cheapie> The project I'm working on
(contains a full MATE desktop install and a minimal CLI-only install
on one disc) is ~1.7GB, but that's squashfsed.
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187 [01:25:53] <cheapie> FWIW, the goal is to have it boot into
the MATE image and serve the minimal image to other computers over
the network. It's coming along well so far.
188 [01:26:10] <deepfreez> :D
189 [01:26:50] <cheapie> The other computers then read the SMART
data from their hard drives, send it back with scp (publickey auth),
and reboot.
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192 [01:27:06] <cheapie> The user at the first computer can then
analyze the data with gsmartcontrol or manually.
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196 [01:27:51] <rant> cheapie: yeah I heard you talk about that
the other day.. it sounded unnecessarily complex. I had a Netgear
WNR-3500L router with a thumbdrive in its USB port hosting a PXE
server and hosting both installers and full desktop images.. I never
needed a seperate http server or anything.. the tftp/pxe server
handled the whole rootfs and everything
197 [01:27:56] <rant> I just sometimes configured it to use nfs
or such for /home
198 [01:28:09] <cheapie> rant: I don't have control over the
router/DHCP server.
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200 [01:28:28] <rant> oh.. well that DOES change things a bit :P
201 [01:28:32] <cheapie> So I have to use proxyDHCP and a
separate TFTP server.
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203 [01:28:39] <teatime>
replaced-url
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208 [01:30:30] <teatime> dpkg: tell cheapie about minimal install
209 [01:30:36] <teatime> dpkg: tell cheapie about standard task
210 [01:31:21] <cheapie> teatime: I know about that already.
deepfreez is the one that has disk space issues, and I was just
sharing some numbers I happened to have.
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212 [01:32:26] <teatime> my mistake.
213 [01:32:28] <cheapie> I don't need to care too much about
shrinking it down anyway, as it'll probably end up at ~2GB for
my finished disc image at this rate, and I have about 4.7GB
(single-layer DVD+R) available.
214 [01:32:33] <deepfreez> Yap, I found what was.
215 [01:32:43] <deepfreez> thanks
216 [01:32:48] <teatime> deepfreez: ask dpkg about standard task
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218 [01:33:10] <deepfreez> <dpkg> i haven't a clue :)
219 [01:33:20] <deepfreez> epic
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221 [01:33:58] <teatime> dpkg: tell deepfreez about standard task
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223 [01:34:16] <teatime> dpkg: tell deepfreez about minimal
install
224 [01:34:22] <deepfreez> thanks
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226 [01:35:51] <deepfreez> lol, I forgotten how to use nano :))
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228 [01:39:47] <xqb> is there an alternative to umake for debian
or can I have it on debian?
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236 [01:51:42] <deepfreez> Anyone have multiple interfaces lan on
debian 9? How I add another eth0:1
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239 [01:52:22] <teatime> it isn't done with aliases like
that anymore
240 [01:52:43] <deepfreez> I think in /etc/network/interfaces.d/
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242 [01:52:56] <teatime> see man interfaces and note that
iproute2 and the ip tool has replaced ifconfig/route/etc.
243 [01:53:04] <deepfreez> aham
244 [01:53:17] <rant> nano works like any text editor only
command I really use is Ctrl+X to exit and it prompts to save
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278 [02:15:46] <deepfreez> if I want to use update-rc.d to run a
script at firstboot?
279 [02:15:56] <deepfreez> update-rc.d myscript defaults
280 [02:15:57] <deepfreez> ?
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291 [02:25:22] <Zathras> deepfreez, things have changed: eth is
no longer uses, systemd is the way daemons are started
292 [02:26:23] <somiaj> systemd will respect scripts with LSB
headers in /etc/init.d, but you may have to adjust the header to
have systemd boot it correctly.
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294 [02:26:30] <somiaj> deepfreez: what service do you wnt to run
eariler?
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296 [02:26:52] <deepfreez> a personal script
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302 [02:27:56] <somiaj> you can just put LSBHeaders on the init.d
script and pop it into /etc/init.d, though writting a systemd unit
file is simplier in my opinion.
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305 [02:30:19] <Zathras> deepfreez, have you considered adding it
to the login (if it is user specific) ?
306 [02:30:20] <deepfreez> let me check
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336 [03:04:00] <kion> I am running a turn server, an I started it
with "sudo turnserver -c /etc/turnserver.conf --daemon -v"
how do I stop it?
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338 [03:06:16] <somiaj> kion: you can look up the pid with ps
fax, and then kill the pid with kill
339 [03:06:37] <somiaj> There might be nicer ways, and it may
accept various kill signals
340 [03:06:45] <kion> somiaj, Thanks! I figured it out, I looked
at it with htop
341 [03:06:54] <kion> and did kill with signal 15
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343 [03:07:30] <somiaj> kion: if the server has a systemd unit
file, which it should if it came from debian, you can use systemctl
to start/stop the server (or just use service)
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346 [03:12:18] <kion> somiaj, yes I installed the server from
Debian repositories but don't acuatlly know what the service
name is
347 [03:12:27] <kion> sudo service XXXX stop
348 [03:12:46] <somiaj> dpkg -L packagename can help, but usually
it is the same as the package/server, so just turnserver
349 [03:12:46] <dpkg> No packages found matching packagename can
help, but usually it is the same as the package/server, so just
turnserver
350 [03:12:46] <kion> somiaj, is there a way to list the running
services?
351 [03:12:55] <somiaj> kion: systemctl status
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353 [03:14:35] <kion> somiaj, wow! thanks
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421 [04:01:42] <kion> what is a default swapiness value for a
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526 [05:32:09] <iodev> today, I found out something weird,
resolvconf isn't installed
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531 [05:36:09] <iodev> hmm, I installed it, but openvpn still
doesn't push DNS
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533 [05:43:20] <crn> iodev, does it point to any name servers?
534 [05:43:41] <iodev> crn, yes, it worked before openvpn 2.4
535 [05:43:55] <iodev> I have push dhcp-option DNS :-)
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543 [05:48:22] <crn> hmm. sorry. mine is working, but it points
to my dsl router, which gets its name servers from the isp on login,
544 [05:48:31] <iodev> oops, I need systemd-resolvd
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546 [05:49:13] <crn> ah ha.
547 [05:49:14] <awal1> putthe following in your cmdline "
fbcon=scrollback:1024k " Modify size as you want it to be
548 [05:49:32] <awal1> wrong window, excuses
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554 [05:54:04] <iodev> crn, no, looks like openvpn no longer runs
update-resolv-conf automatically
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559 [05:56:12] <iodev> crn, I added up/down script to client
config and works now
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565 [05:57:40] <crn> great!
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576 [06:08:01] <iodev> strange after the update-resolv-conf I
have three nameservers
577 [06:08:13] <iodev> the 2 pushed by my server, and the primary
without VPN one
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587 [06:14:20] <crn> iodev, in my case it appears that network
manager wrote resolv.conf. i don't know how network manager got
into the act. when i updated to debian 8 the network was slightly
buggy.
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590 [06:16:47] <crn> iodev, eventually i purged my config after
trying various fixes, and network manager wrote what it wanted and
it works ok now.
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593 [06:17:04] <iodev> yeah, I looked on my ubuntu mate and it
does the same thing
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595 [06:17:11] <iodev> 3 nameservers, it's common then
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631 [06:41:35] <chadwin> Hey guys
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636 [06:43:13] <klys> chadwin, hi
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645 [06:45:17] <RayReddington> hicklen
646 [06:45:19] <RayReddington> hiiickleeen
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671 [07:05:38] <fishcooker> im using firefox... the fan speed
work harder... hwo to know whats page that cause it?
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681 [07:11:18] <alkisg> Type about:about to see the
self-diagnostic pages of firefox. Maybe about:performance will help
you
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685 [07:18:52] <BillyCrook> I've netboot/netinstalled rhel
with kickstarts for a long time, and I recently started using
preseed. What directive should I add to preseed to install only a
minimal system? meaning able to be SSH'd into, but no daemons
other than ntp, and certainly no gui login or anything that requires
a framebuffer. (I noticed that it appears the default package
selection includes graphical grub and gdm and presumably gnome)
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687 [07:19:58] <BillyCrook> I think
base-installer/install-recommends boolean true is responsible for
the gui desktiop package selection
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689 [07:20:38] <BillyCrook> thats from looking at
debconf-get-selections --installer after a default install
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737 [07:55:01] <EnchanterTim> Hello
738 [07:55:30] <EnchanterTim> Debian Stable and Chromium browser,
any html <select> dropdown does not render. I only ever see
the first option, and no dropdown renders.
739 [07:55:44] <EnchanterTim> Can anyone verify this bug?
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778 [08:19:42] <konna44> hi
779 [08:19:52] <bazhang> hi
780 [08:19:58] <konna44> is it normal that some commands are not
recorded into .bash_history?
781 [08:20:37] <konna44> i did sudo apt-get update, then sudo
apt-get upgrade, and the upgrade command was not recorded :|
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783 [08:21:56] <SwedeMike> konna44: it's generally not
stored there until you exit the shell.
784 [08:22:23] <t3st3r> also it could be commands starting with
space aren't recorded, there're settings for that
785 [08:22:32] <SwedeMike> my .bash_history hasn't been
updated for 10 hours
786 [08:22:51] <SwedeMike> as soon as I exit a shell, it's
then updated.
787 [08:22:54] <konna44> it wasn't recorded even after i
closed the shell
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789 [08:23:07] <konna44> but it may have been issued with a
starting space
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791 [08:23:17] <konna44> i think there was empty line in the file
too.
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793 [08:23:46] <t3st3r> and sometimes one can have several shells
opened for same login. In this case last closed shell obviously
wins.
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795 [08:23:56] <konna44> :o
796 [08:24:14] <konna44> i think the empty line was where the
command should have been
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928 [09:45:21] <malade_mental> Hi, don't know if this fits
here but I'm having a problem. When loggin on a remote machine
by ssh, the ~/.bashrc is not loaded by default. Where could this
come from. When I the log in using "su user" it works
perfectly. Does SSH doesn't use the "login"?
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930 [09:48:01] <Mathisen> malade_mental, if you add it to your
.bash_profile it will load on ssh login
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942 [09:54:35] <malade_mental> Mathisen: ok, and bash_profile is
loaded at each login? because I use gnu screen and don't
especially want bashrc to be reloaded on each window creation
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944 [09:54:49] <cuono> debian is good
945 [09:54:50] <cuono> i like it
946 [09:55:00] <cuono> how do i poweroff?
947 [09:55:16] <Mathisen> malade_mental, yes it is loaded at each
login
948 [09:55:30] <cuono> Mathisen how do i poweroff?
949 [09:55:58] <cuono> echo disk > /sys/power/state
950 [09:56:01] <cuono> who is cool?????????
951 [09:56:05] <cuono> i suspend
952 [09:56:09] <Mathisen> cuono, go to sleep please
953 [09:56:26] <cuono> i just woke up
954 [09:56:51] <cuono> how do i see time? date
955 [09:56:58] <cuono> calendar?
956 [09:57:05] <cuono> cal
957 [09:57:08] <Mathisen> then maybe take it easy witht he
coffee, and ask relevant suport questions
958 [09:57:23] <cuono> i drink tea, green tea, hot
959 [09:57:26] <cuono> not earl grey
960 [09:57:44] <cuono> like captain picard
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962 [09:58:03] <cuono> do you think the enterprise runs debian?
963 [09:58:35] <Mathisen> i think you should try twitch chat
instead
964 [09:58:51] <cuono> i played twitch once in lol and chatted
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966 [09:59:10] <cuono> is there a debian twitch chat?
967 [09:59:23] <cuono> can i access it from command line?
968 [09:59:31] <cuono> my computer doesn't run javascript so
good
969 [09:59:34] <cuono> it's too slow
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972 [09:59:49] <cuono> using mini pc
973 [09:59:54] <cuono> javascript is terribly slow
974 [10:00:04] <konna44> there was a twitch game about arch linux
once
975 [10:00:14] <cuono> or rather most sites overuse it and
don't optimize
976 [10:00:14] <konna44> "a cooperative text-based horror
game"
977 [10:00:19] <konna44> :P
978 [10:00:25] <Mathisen> > /server irc.chat.twitch.tv
979 [10:00:30] <konna44> :O
980 [10:00:31] <cuono> they use javascript where html is best
981 [10:00:38] <konna44> i agree
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983 [10:01:40] <cuono> improperly formated auth
984 [10:02:03] <cuono> was that an actual working url
985 [10:02:05] <konna44> Mathisen i've heard that you can
use irc client to chat on Twitch but how does that work? do you have
to identify with your Twitch name and password?
986 [10:02:06] <cuono> for irc
987 [10:02:23] <Mathisen> konna44, correct nickname need to be
your twitch name
988 [10:02:46] <malade_mental> haha cuoao
989 [10:02:46] <konna44> and nickserv authentication is required?
990 [10:02:54] <Mathisen> konna44, no
replaced-url
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992 [10:03:40] <konna44> :O
993 [10:04:21] <konna44> and channel is just #streamer_name ?
994 [10:04:26] <Mathisen> yep
995 [10:04:48] <cuono>
replaced-url
996 [10:04:52] <cuono> that is my email
997 [10:04:56] <cuono> do you like it?
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1004 [10:05:41] <cuono> fetchmail ; ./ripmime.sh `hi` ; w3m -T
text/html directory/text-html0
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1006 [10:06:11] <konna44> :O
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1011 [10:08:09] <cuono> headers To to@mail.com From from@mail.com
Subject hello | hiinc . ; cat `hi` | msmtp -t
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1013 [10:08:14] <luna> all Debian stuff at work updated now :)
1014 [10:08:14] <cuono> do you like it?
1015 [10:08:30] <malade_mental> Again another question, when I
login in ssh, "systemctl status" answers : Failed to
connect to bus: No such file or directory
1016 [10:08:47] <malade_mental> when, from the same connection, I
"su" into my user, it works perfectly.
1017 [10:08:51] <cuono> don't need mutt or thunderbird
1018 [10:09:13] <cuono> can do it pleasantly just with fetchmail
msmtp headers hi hiinc and vi and ripmime and makemime
1019 [10:09:22] <cuono> and w3m
1020 [10:09:26] <cuono> and less
1021 [10:09:28] <cuono> oooooo
1022 [10:09:29] <cuono> !!!!!!!!!
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1025 [10:10:14] <cuono> i use emacs erc for irc
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1027 [10:11:33] <cuono> doom is a great game
1028 [10:11:33] <Mathisen> malade_mental, are you using docker ?
1029 [10:11:38] <malade_mental> niet
1030 [10:11:47] <cuono> i used docker before
1031 [10:11:58] <cuono> then i started using terminal for
everything
1032 [10:12:02] <cuono> i tried plenty docks and panels
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1034 [10:12:10] <cuono> i liked fbpanel for a while
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1036 [10:12:24] <cuono> now i usually use xterm and emacs
1037 [10:12:27] <malade_mental> it's a virtual machine though
1038 [10:12:29] <cuono> and conkeror for web browser
1039 [10:12:31] <Mathisen> malade_mental, ok no clue then, strange
error, what does journal -xe say ?
1040 [10:12:32] <cuono> oh
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1042 [10:12:38] <cuono> my mistake then
1043 [10:12:55] <cuono> maybe it was docky
1044 [10:12:58] <Mathisen> journalctl -xe
1045 [10:12:59] <malade_mental> oh I forgot to specify this is
only with "--user" mode
1046 [10:13:02] <malade_mental> systemctl is ok
1047 [10:13:03] <Mathisen> sorry more coffe needed
1048 [10:13:07] <malade_mental> systemctl --user not ok
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1052 [10:14:02] <cuono> i were hooked on older de and wm
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1054 [10:14:17] <cuono> and terminals and finding a program for
each thing i used
1055 [10:14:24] <cuono> i think i've handpicked every program
i use
1056 [10:14:27] <malade_mental> which terminal cuono ?
1057 [10:14:33] <cuono> xterm
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1059 [10:14:38] <cuono> is the one i ended up with
1060 [10:14:49] <cuono> it was the one i thought was most ugly at
first
1061 [10:14:57] <cuono> and the one i thought was most beautiful
at last
1062 [10:15:05] <cuono> using Xresource it is fine
1063 [10:15:20] <malade_mental> me too
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1066 [10:16:19] <cuono> i used to use st for a while but it was
too much of a hassle with the colors
1067 [10:16:36] <cuono> xterm is cool
1068 [10:16:43] <malade_mental> it is cool
1069 [10:16:49] <Mathisen> malade_mental, what did journalctl -xe
say
1070 [10:16:51] <alkisg> malade_mental: when you ssh to some user,
is `systemd --user` started for that user?
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1073 [10:17:48] <Mathisen> btw urxvt is cool for a terminal
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1076 [10:19:00] <cuono> i was planning on making a distro based on
tinycore linux which only had keyboard controlled programs for
everything
1077 [10:19:10] <cuono> prefereably emacs and vi keybindings
1078 [10:19:11] <pingfloyd> the 's' in st must stand for
seventies (in functionality).
1079 [10:19:17] <cuono> and no menus or as little as possible
1080 [10:19:32] <cuono> i started it a bit but didn't go all
the way
1081 [10:19:39] <malade_mental> alkisg:
replaced-url
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1083 [10:20:00] <cuono> i got most of the programs but not put it
on tc usb
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1085 [10:20:14] <alkisg> malade_mental: I don't see this:
alkisg 2090 0.0 0.0 45404 2416 ? Ss Φεβ01 0:00
/lib/systemd/systemd --user
1086 [10:20:27] <malade_mental> Mathisen:
replaced-url
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1088 [10:20:38] <alkisg> malade_mental: create a new testuser,
then ssh testuser@localhost, then check if that line is there for
him. If not, it's a pam misconfiguration
1089 [10:20:41] <malade_mental> alkisg: i agree
1090 [10:20:43] <malade_mental> ok
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1094 [10:21:11] <alkisg> malade_mental: also, check this: grep -r
systemd.so /etc/pam.d
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1104 [10:24:03] <malade_mental> alkisg: same error with test user
1105 [10:24:16] <alkisg> malade_mental: ok, what's the output
of that command?
1106 [10:24:21] <alkisg> grep -r systemd.so /etc/pam.d
1107 [10:24:27] <alkisg> Also, which debian version?
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1109 [10:24:53] <malade_mental> debian stable
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1111 [10:25:11] <malade_mental>
replaced-url
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1117 [10:27:03] <alkisg> malade_mental: do you get a line like
"systemd-logind: new session for user testuser" in
/var/log/auth.log when you login via ssh?
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1128 [10:38:33] <malade_mental> nope alkisg
1129 [10:38:36] <gpk> Sometimes I run a script which runs apt and
it fails because the dpkg lock is on, presumably because some daemon
is doing an automatic update. How can I make my script wait until it
is unlocked?
1130 [10:38:40] <malade_mental> (sorry i was at coffee :p)
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1135 [10:45:57] <malade_mental> alkisg, Mathisen, I found why it
did not work, in sshd_config , UsePAM was set to "no"
1136 [10:46:20] <Mathisen> *slow clap*
1137 [10:46:45] <malade_mental> :S
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1144 [10:49:00] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
1145 [10:49:30] <ychaouche> I want to have the same packages in
machine A in machine B.
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1147 [10:49:53] <ychaouche> Do you recommend dselect for this ?
1148 [10:50:13] <jelly> !aptitude clone
1149 [10:50:13] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude
(or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search
--disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on
the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install <
package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves
information about "automatically installed" packages that
other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to
backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
1150 [10:50:45] <ychaouche> nice ! thanks jelly
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1154 [10:52:53] <Mathisen> dpkg --get-selections | grep -v
deinstall > ychaouche_list.txt
1155 [10:52:53] * dpkg selects mathisen's family photos collection
1156 [10:52:56] <Mathisen> works also
1157 [10:53:23] <ychaouche> Mathisen: then what do you do with
that list ?
1158 [10:53:25] <Mathisen> then just install from list on other
computer
1159 [10:53:30] <ychaouche> how ?
1160 [10:53:48] <Mathisen> sudo apt-get install -y $(<
ychaouche_list.txt)
1161 [10:55:13] <jelly> that does not take care of which packages
were installed automatically and which were only pulled in as
dependencies
1162 [10:56:08] <ychaouche> jelly: what about : dselect update,
dpkg --selections < packages.lst; apt-get dselect-upgrade ?
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1165 [10:56:27] <ychaouche> dpkg --set*-selections
1166 [10:56:28] <dpkg> ychaouche: I give up, what is it?
1167 [10:56:42] <ychaouche> not for you, dpkg
1168 [10:58:13] <babilen> dpkg: debian clone
1169 [10:58:13] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to
take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you
want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections >
~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other
machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections <
~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask
me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to
backup> <apt-clone>.
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1171 [10:58:39] <babilen> That's the *other* approach that
does not keep information on which packages were automatically
installed
1172 [10:59:23] <ychaouche> Oh, so the preferred one is with
aptitude then ?
1173 [10:59:31] <babilen> Absolutely
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1175 [10:59:41] <ychaouche> great. Thanks babilen and jelly
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1179 [11:01:45] <ychaouche> dpkg: things to backup
1180 [11:01:46] <dpkg> Some things you should back up include:
/etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own
purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you
don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt*
/var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/replaced-url
1181 [11:02:12] <jelly> there's a very simple "things to
backup": everything
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1183 [11:02:22] <ychaouche> :p
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1187 [11:03:51] <ychaouche> should I also clone the users file ?
like /etc/shadow{-} and /etc/group{-} ?
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1189 [11:04:22] <jelly> if you need to
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1191 [11:05:12] <jelly> perhaps only copy the entries for actual
users (from /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,gshadow} yeah)
1192 [11:06:05] <ychaouche> Suppose I first install a package like
postfix, which would create a postfix user, then copy /etc/shadow,
and they don't have the same ID. Wouldn't that create
unknown users ?
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1194 [11:06:17] <jelly> because if you copy the whole thing, you
need to do that before installing anything to avoid debian's
installation scripts creating service users with different uids/gids
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1197 [11:06:36] <ychaouche> ok you answered before I asked.
1198 [11:06:38] <ychaouche> :)
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1200 [11:07:43] <jelly> and then you have to care about
differences and overlap of numerical uid/gid
1201 [11:08:16] <jelly> and about correct approached to backup and
restore to preserve them
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1214 [11:15:39] <ychaouche> maybe --disable-columns isn't
necessary ?
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1248 [11:41:23] <JohnWigley> Hi, I've screwed up a production
Debian 8 server by upgrading the kernel from the v3.16. to a v4
revision. Now I'm trying quickly to go back to the packaged
kernel version. So I tried: apt-get install
linux-image-3.16.0-5-686-pae hoping it would reinstall the previous
version but it didn't as the package was already installed. How
do I get it to downgrade back to the official kernel versio?
1249 [11:41:23] <JohnWigley> Thanks!
1250 [11:42:48] <petemc> you should have the old kernel as a boot
option now
1251 [11:43:01] <petemc> if you're happy it works, configure
grub to boot it by default
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1253 [11:43:13] <JohnWigley> petemc: thanks, how do I do that?
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1256 [11:45:28] <petemc> you can edit /etc/default/grub, or use
grub-set-default. i would check latest docs though as i havent done
it in a while
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1258 [11:47:43] <BanHammor> there is also the option to save the
latest boot
1259 [11:48:01] <BanHammor> (only works if grub can actually write
to your / partition tho)
1260 [11:48:23] <JohnWigley> ok, I can't find any sign of
multiple configurations in any of the grub config files /etc/grub.d
or /etc/defaults/grub
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1262 [11:49:09] <JohnWigley> I'd expected to have found the
different kernel revisions listed as configs in one of those, but
none of them have a file modified date recently.
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1264 [11:49:58] <BanHammor> etc defaults grub is the seed file for
autogeneration
1265 [11:50:21] <BanHammor> /boot/grub/grub.cfg is where the
resultant config is
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1273 [11:52:25] <BanHammor>
replaced-url
1274 [11:52:29] <JohnWigley> ok, when I actually rebooted, under
Advanced options - I saw several previous kernel configs including
the 3.16 - THANK YOU!
1275 [11:53:04] <BanHammor> ...but also i gotta wonder how 4.x
managed to screw your debian so bad
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1278 [11:54:05] <versuchsanstalt> Having installed from netinst
stretch, the inet static configuration in /etc/network/interfaces
gets ignored. Am I missing a recommended way to configure a static
address for a network interface?
1279 [11:54:21] <Tapioco71> please help, I'm trying to
install 9.3.0 from netinst image for amd64 on a PC overwriting a
centos installation, but grub failed to install
1280 [11:54:26] <Tapioco71> thanks
1281 [11:54:35] <somiaj> there was a kernel upgrade in jessie that
ended up being very bad for a unforuntally not so small set of cpus.
1282 [11:54:46] <JohnWigley> Because the server is an Asterisk
voip box, and Asterisk requires a kernel module for timing
generation for it's conference call service for a historic
reason. In my true incompetence I hadn't realised this,
upgraded it and now the phone system won't work.
1283 [11:54:52] <petn-randall> Tapioco71: How did you prepare the
image?
1284 [11:55:01] <BanHammor> versuchsanstalt, do you bring up the
network via ifup/ifdown?
1285 [11:55:02] <versuchsanstalt> No matter what, if I ifdown and
ifup the device, it comes up with an address different from what I
have configured in /etc/network/interfaces.
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1287 [11:55:08] <versuchsanstalt> BanHammor: yes
1288 [11:55:13] <petn-randall> Tapioco71: As in, if it's a
USB blockk device, which tools/commands did you use?
1289 [11:55:32] <Tapioco71> petn-randall: I installed it via
netinst on a cd
1290 [11:55:33] <somiaj> Tapioco71: if grub is the only thing
failing to install, you can manually install it, just open up a
console and chroot into /target, and install it using grub-install
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1292 [11:55:50] <versuchsanstalt> BanHammor: did the way to do it
change with the switch to systemd?
1293 [11:56:10] <petn-randall> Tapioco71: What error do you get
installing?
1294 [11:56:17] <BanHammor> systemd still uses ifup/ifdown
internally when it brings up networking.service
1295 [11:56:19] <petn-randall> Tapioco71: And which device are you
selecting to install?
1296 [11:56:19] <BanHammor> so no
1297 [11:56:22] <tmm88> the installation process should be pretty
simple. create a boot device with sudo dd if of bs=1m
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1301 [11:56:45] <BanHammor> but do check your dmesg/journalctl for
network IP negotiation
1302 [11:56:56] <versuchsanstalt> BanHammor: cool, i'll do
1303 [11:56:56] <tmm88> and then please call the old gui
1304 [11:56:59] <tmm88> to install it
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1306 [11:57:07] <Tapioco71> I installed it with the same image and
media on the same machine, now there's centos and I'm
trying to reinstall back debian
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1308 [11:57:18] <tmm88> after that the process shall go on a
pretty easy way
1309 [11:57:19] <Tapioco71> there's no grub-install
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1311 [11:57:27] <petn-randall> tmm88: context?
1312 [11:57:28] <Tapioco71> there's grub-installer
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1314 [11:58:08] <somiaj> Tapioco71: did you chroot into /target?
1315 [11:58:18] <Tapioco71> yes
1316 [11:58:32] <tmm88> the classic gui
1317 [11:58:37] <somiaj> Tapioco71: dpkg -l | grep grub (are the
grub packages installed?), also efi or legacy boot?
1318 [11:58:42] <tmm88> the classic gui does not generally fail
1319 [11:58:49] <tmm88> and you can easily install it
1320 [11:59:20] <Tapioco71> tmm88: is not working either
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1325 [12:00:29] <dionysus69> should I keep ntp port open? 123?
1326 [12:00:44] <dionysus69> what happens if I close it, system
looses track of time or what?
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1328 [12:01:03] <petn-randall> dionysus69: Nobody will be able to
sync time from that machine.
1329 [12:01:26] <dionysus69> does system do it by itself?
1330 [12:01:38] <dionysus69> I am fine with the time set on the
server at the moment
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1332 [12:02:26] <petn-randall> dionysus69: No, systems don't
do it by itself, you have to configure them to sync time from that
machine.
1333 [12:02:47] <dionysus69> ok I guess I ll keep it closed
1334 [12:02:49] <dionysus69> thanks
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1336 [12:02:53] <cube> hi
1337 [12:02:58] <cube> Fuck pulse audo
1338 [12:03:02] <cube> fuck systemD
1339 [12:03:05] <dionysus69> yep
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*!*@ool-944c22db.dyn.optonline.net
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1343 [12:03:12] <dionysus69> why systemd is cool xD
1344 [12:03:18] <dionysus69> at least for what i need, simple
services
1345 [12:03:25] <petn-randall> dionysus69: please ignore the troll
1346 [12:03:33] <dionysus69> lol :D
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1349 [12:05:09] <petn-randall> cube: This is a Debian support
channel. Feel free to ask questions in here as soon as the +q timed
out. Ranting is not welcome. Also keep it family-friendly in here.
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1351 [12:05:16] <versuchsanstalt> So the interface comes up as
eth0 first, gets renamed to ens160 afterwards. My efforts to ifdown
and ifup show up in dmesg as follows: ens160: intr type 3, mode 0, 3
vectors allocated \n ens160: NIC Link is Up 10000 Mbps
1352 [12:05:49] <versuchsanstalt> I still don't understand
where it gets its IP address from, which is different from what I
have configured in /etc/network/interfaces.
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1354 [12:05:56] <versuchsanstalt> and there's nothing in
interfaces.d
1355 [12:06:13] <somiaj> versuchsanstalt: do you have ens160 or
eth0 configured in the interfaces file?
1356 [12:06:14] <versuchsanstalt> even commented out the source
command
1357 [12:06:15] <petn-randall> versuchsanstalt: can you show us
your /etc/network/interfaces, and also the output of 'ip
addr'?
1358 [12:06:24] <versuchsanstalt> somiaj: ens160
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1361 [12:07:02] <Tapioco71> modinfo.sh not found during
grub-install
1362 [12:07:18] <versuchsanstalt> petn-randall: do we have a paste
channel?
1363 [12:07:31] <petn-randall> versuchsanstalt: Oh right, you can
use
replaced-url
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1365 [12:08:29] <versuchsanstalt> haha, pasting from a vmware
console... :-) hold on a sec
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1368 [12:09:02] <somiaj> Tapioco71: you said you are trying to
install over a centos install? did you format the filesystem frist?
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1377 [12:11:39] <somiaj> Tapioco71: also are you doing efi or
legacy boot. Google seems to suggest this error if you are mixing
the two.
1378 [12:12:00] <somiaj> Tapioco71: and provdie the full path fo
the modinfo.sh file it cannot find.
1379 [12:12:03] <Tapioco71> efi boot
1380 [12:12:18] <Tapioco71> I also dd to zero the hs
1381 [12:12:19] <Tapioco71> I also dd to zero the hd
1382 [12:13:44] <BanHammor> why did you do that?
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1387 [12:15:01] <Tapioco71> BanHammor: to remove data in ESP
partition
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1391 [12:15:40] <somiaj> esp partition? AGain I'm waiting for
the full path of this modinfo.sh file that is not found. It seems
that you have some mix of legacy and efi boot grub packages
installed.
1392 [12:15:51] <somiaj> (at least that is the common google hit
IM' getting)
1393 [12:16:01] <Tapioco71> but I booted the EFI ATAPI device!!!!
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1396 [12:16:33] <somiaj> okay, but still I've asked for a
full path, what is it, it will help double check my huntch or not.
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1401 [12:18:43] <versuchsanstalt> ok, got the output of ip addr
and the content of /etc/network/interfaces here:
replaced-url
1402 [12:19:04] <versuchsanstalt> took me a while to exfil that
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1404 [12:20:06] <Tapioco71> Executing
'grub-install-dummy' failed
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1407 [12:20:14] <Tapioco71> in graphical installer
1408 [12:20:24] <somiaj> Tapioco71: that is not what I asked, you
said it gave some error about modinfo.sh, what was the full path?
1409 [12:20:35] <Tapioco71> I restarted installation nw
1410 [12:20:39] <Tapioco71> I restarted installation now
1411 [12:20:44] <Tapioco71> Executing
'grub-install-dummy' failed
1412 [12:20:49] <Tapioco71> in graphical installer
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1420 [12:22:22] <nirj34> hello, is anyone familiar with these
errors when connecting to server via filezilla, particularly the
"503 login incorrect" error?
replaced-url
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1423 [12:23:29] <superlinux> Hello. I edited /etc/defaults/useradd
to change the default home directory to other than /home. still, the
command "adduser" is still using /home. I know I can use
options. but there is a file already for it.
1424 [12:23:46] <somiaj> versuchsanstalt: it seems weird to me
that you have a /24 on your address, though I'm not that much
of an networking expert. And the address seems to agree with the /24
block
1425 [12:23:51] <superlinux> so how can I force adduser to use
/etc/defaults/useradd ?
1426 [12:23:59] <Tapioco71> any hints?
1427 [12:24:21] <versuchsanstalt> somiaj: I added the /24 which
didnt change anything
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1430 [12:24:49] <versuchsanstalt> oh, wait
1431 [12:24:58] <somiaj> versuchsanstalt: the /24 seems strange,
what was the output if ip addr without it. Though I'm unsure
why your interface is being given two address, but they are both
correct in the /24 block
1432 [12:25:40] <somiaj> superlinux: why not configure
/etc/adduser.conf as per the manpage?
1433 [12:25:42] <versuchsanstalt> i didnt notice until now that ip
addr shows two addresses, which ifconfig didnt do
1434 [12:25:54] <superlinux> ah really!? i will do that
1435 [12:26:00] <versuchsanstalt> so i might have a problem less
1436 [12:26:01] <superlinux> thanks alot
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1439 [12:27:14] <somiaj> Tapioco71: what install image are you
using? And how did you write it to the usb/burn it to the cd?
1440 [12:27:41] <Tapioco71> somiaj: netinst 9.3.0 written using
k3b on a cd
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1444 [12:28:10] <Tapioco71> somiaj: this image was used to
installed the first time debian on the same machine
1445 [12:28:38] <somiaj> Tapioco71: it is strange grub is failing,
unsure if it is somthing special about yorusetup, a confusion
between efi/legacy boot or somethign else. But if grub is the
onlything that is failing to install, you can manually fix it,
you'll just have to deal with any errors that popup in the
process
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1447 [12:30:14] <Tapioco71> somiaj: no, for the last time I booted
from ATAPI UEFI disk
1448 [12:30:19] <Tapioco71> now
1449 [12:30:31] <Tapioco71> grub-install --target x86_64-efi
1450 [12:30:34] <Tapioco71> gave
1451 [12:30:36] <Tapioco71> error
1452 [12:30:52] <Tapioco71> EFI variables are not supported by
this system
1453 [12:30:55] <somiaj> what error? anyways, you may just have to
start googling the errors, and manually install grub.
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1456 [12:31:44] <somiaj> if it is saying that error, it is
sounding like you are not properly mounted in efi mode, or something
with talking to the efi firmware isn't setup after the boot.
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1458 [12:32:16] <somiaj> run mount, do you have efivarfs on
/sys/firmware/efi/efivars mounted?
1459 [12:32:36] <Tapioco71> not mounted
1460 [12:32:38] <somiaj> did you mount --bind /sys into the chroot
before you chrooted into ti to manually install grub
1461 [12:32:43] <somiaj> well that is why it can't read the
efivars
1462 [12:32:58] <Tapioco71> then a bios problem???
1463 [12:33:03] <versuchsanstalt> so thank you guys for pointing
me to ip addr. turns out that I can achieve what I want to do for
today, I'll try to find out where that second ip address comes
from later.
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1465 [12:33:31] <somiaj> versuchsanstalt: yea, ip is the
replacement of ifconfig
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1467 [12:34:25] <versuchsanstalt> somiaj: I should make the
switch, lazy me.
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1470 [12:34:59] <somiaj> versuchsanstalt: both should work, but I
do think it is suggested to start getting use to the new tools.
1471 [12:35:07] <somiaj> (and ip really isn't that new)
1472 [12:35:33] <versuchsanstalt> its good to have to fix a lot of
stuff at work. you really get lazy when you just dist-upgrade a farm
of private machines that just work... :-)
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1478 [12:40:43] <cuono> i like to use grep
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1480 [12:40:46] <cuono> and emacs
1481 [12:40:49] <cuono> and conkeror
1482 [12:40:55] <cuono> i like all of those software
1483 [12:41:02] <BanHammor> huh, my udisks is -convinced- that
/dev/sdc1 is a "system device" and requires root for me to
use it
1484 [12:41:13] <BanHammor> how do i disavow it of the notion?
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1486 [12:41:43] <wigums> chown
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1488 [12:43:36] <password2> hi , in /etc/network/interfaces the
file has 'source-directory /etc/network/interfaces.d' ,
does that mean i should drop my configs in interfaces.d ?
1489 [12:44:08] <BanHammor> preferably yes
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1492 [12:44:51] <BanHammor> wigums, how do i, uh, do that? chown
<user> /dev/sdc1 is a really stupid thing to do
1493 [12:45:36] <wigums> why cant your user own a non system
partition?
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1496 [12:45:54] <wigums> thats just a stup uh comment
1497 [12:45:57] <BCMM> wait what? i just joined, but may i be nosy
and ask why somebody would want to do that?
1498 [12:46:31] <JohnWigley> After having managed to reboot the
server into the old kernel, I'm trying to get Grubs config file
updated to have the default entry pointing back to the 3.16 kernel.
I can see with grub- set-default that it create a /boot/grub.env
file with the correct entry BUT it still leaves /boot/grub.conf with
the default entry set to the non working v4 kernel. I see that
grub-mkconfig is still creating
1499 [12:46:31] <JohnWigley> a grub.conf with the wrong kernel set
as default. Where do I change the config options that control how
the default entry is created? Thanks
1500 [12:46:33] <wigums> he wants to access a non system partition
without root
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1503 [12:46:49] <BanHammor> well, i want to mount it without root
1504 [12:46:50] <wigums> thats noyt stupid at all
1505 [12:47:05] <wigums> well you have to chown it then
1506 [12:47:17] <wigums> dont be daft
1507 [12:47:38] <BCMM> that's not right at all
1508 [12:47:46] <wigums> its not like its /
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1510 [12:47:54] <BCMM> mounting is a privileged action even when
you own the block device
1511 [12:47:55] <BanHammor> im not daft, i'm asking about how
udisks forms its policy about what is/isn't a system partition
1512 [12:48:23] <wigums> no you asked how you could use it without
being root
1513 [12:49:12] <wigums> i have 4 drives. 1 system 3 non system. 3
non system are owned by user... why do you guys say thats stupid?
1514 [12:49:22] <somiaj> password2: it is your choice of how you
want to split up your configuration files.
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1517 [12:49:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
1518 [12:49:56] <BCMM> hmm, actually... while mount itself
doesn't, i wonder if udisks does check permissions... are usb
block devices owned by plugdev?
1519 [12:50:07] <wigums> if its a non system partition root doesnt
need to own it
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1521 [12:50:59] <BCMM> does just adding "user" to the
mount options in fstab still work? or is that an obsolete thing from
before udisks?
1522 [12:51:02] <versuchsanstalt> password2: depending on the
complexity of your setup, it may or may not be a good idea to split
the config up
1523 [12:51:41] <BanHammor> it's a flash drive, adding it to
fstab isn't awesome
1524 [12:52:07] <wigums> oh dear god is it derp o'clock
already?
1525 [12:52:21] <BCMM> BanHammor: huh, flash drives usually just
mount under udisks... what filesystem have you got on that?
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1527 [12:52:43] <BanHammor> was originally NTFS, i reformatted to
ext4
1528 [12:52:50] <BCMM> BanHammor: and just to be sure, are you in
plugdev?
1529 [12:53:17] <BanHammor> ye
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1532 [12:53:36] <BCMM> i suspect the difference is the filesystem,
but i'm not sure
1533 [12:53:58] <BCMM> i mean, udisks does the obvious thing with
permissionless filesystems like vfat
1534 [12:54:40] <BCMM> but it's actually not clear what the
right way to think about a drive with various user permissions being
owned by a single user is
1535 [12:55:08] <BCMM> BanHammor: is it a single drive, or do you
have a regular reason to use different ext4 flash drives?
1536 [12:55:25] <cuono> hey ppl
1537 [12:55:27] <BanHammor> embedded development
1538 [12:56:00] <BCMM> BanHammor: adding it to fstab needn't
break the behavior of "normal" flash drives, as you can
list it by uuid or label
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1546 [12:58:30] <Tapioco71> somiaj: I installed the normal version
and it worked
1547 [12:59:01] <n4dir> did someone mention pmount yet? i
didn't follow the discussion and am to busy to do it right now
1548 [12:59:21] <Tapioco71> somiaj: now I tried to reinstall UEFI
and same error again
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1550 [12:59:48] <password2> versuchsanstalt: well I'm done
with the setup
1551 [13:00:02] <somiaj> you can't just reinstall uefi, if
you aren't booting into efi mode fromt eh start, you can't
install grub-efi
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1553 [13:01:21] <Tapioco71> somiaj: the problem is that I'M
BOOTING IN UEFI MODE!!!!!
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1556 [13:01:55] <somiaj> are you sure? You said yoruself that
efivars was not mounted, that sounds like you are not in uefi mode.
1557 [13:02:34] <Tapioco71> somiaj: I started from BIOS
1558 [13:02:51] <Tapioco71> somiaj: BIOS = boot from UEFI ATAPI...
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1563 [13:06:03] <Tapioco71> somiaj: now I'm on the Debian
Linux GNU UEFI Installer just entering the graphic mode
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1565 [13:09:17] <Tapioco71> is 9.3.0 the last image?
1566 [13:09:31] <Tapioco71> I burned a new cd with it
1567 [13:09:50] <somiaj> yes 9.3 is the latest point release
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1578 [13:13:30] <Tapioco71> somiaj: same problem
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1580 [13:14:21] <somiaj> again, just read up and manually fix it.
Something about your efi setup/firmware/how youa re booting is not
working, but it is only grub, so just manually fix it. There is info
on google about this
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1584 [13:17:15] <Tapioco71> somiaj: I configured the bios for
other os security and cleared the keys
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1587 [13:17:54] <somiaj> that is not the problem, the problem
seems to be (last actual error you gave) was efivars is not being
mounted correctly, google that.
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1607 [13:28:49] <MrScoumoune> Hi all
1608 [13:29:55] <MrScoumoune> What is the link with the service
network, and ifup/ifdown
1609 [13:30:42] <MrScoumoune> because don't have lot of
information, in systemctl status network
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1612 [13:31:28] <MrScoumoune> So what is the service? I do not
understand the link between networking and ifup / ifdown
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1614 [13:32:10] <MrScoumoune> Personaly, I use /etc/interface for
manuel activate wlan0
1615 [13:33:33] <BanHammor> honestly as you go into wlan0,
you're better off using networkmanager anyway
1616 [13:33:56] <MrScoumoune> I prefer ifup/ifdown
1617 [13:34:02] <BluesKaj> with wifi NM is the best choice
1618 [13:34:16] <MrScoumoune> :/
1619 [13:34:23] <MrScoumoune> is wpa-supplicant the best choice
1620 [13:34:43] <MrScoumoune> I user nm with gnome3 is very
bullshit
1621 [13:34:48] <MrScoumoune> sorry for the word
1622 [13:35:01] <MrScoumoune> seriously, i remove always
networkmanager of distri
1623 [13:35:06] <petn-randall> o.O
1624 [13:35:12] <petn-randall> Each to their own, I guess.
1625 [13:35:15] <BluesKaj> MrScoumoune, you can setup sith the
intefaces file on wifi , but it's clunky and complicated
1626 [13:35:25] <BluesKaj> with
1627 [13:35:59] <MrScoumoune> no
1628 [13:36:08] <MrScoumoune> i have config the file
etc/interfaces ^^
1629 [13:36:09] <petn-randall> MrScoumoune: Feel free to set up
your wifi with ifupdown, but if the AP isn't there during boot,
it won't be configured. And you'll have to run
'ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0' when you're in
reach again.
1630 [13:36:12] <BluesKaj> then why are you here ?
1631 [13:36:18] <MrScoumoune> and i have add script in
interfaces.d and etc
1632 [13:36:34] <MrScoumoune> yeap that right
1633 [13:36:46] <MrScoumoune> I use manuel ifup for activated my
interfaces
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1635 [13:36:51] <MrScoumoune> sorry for my english
1636 [13:36:59] <t3st3r> [15:58:36] <MrScoumoune> is
wpa-supplicant the best choice <- only for static setups...
1637 [13:37:07] <BluesKaj> then install ifupdown
1638 [13:37:11] <petn-randall> MrScoumoune: No worries. So what
problem are you seeing?
1639 [13:37:19] <MrScoumoune> My question is the service
networking
1640 [13:37:27] <MrScoumoune> What is the link with ifup
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1643 [13:37:41] <MrScoumoune> Is juste use if interfaces is auto
or what ?
1644 [13:37:47] <t3st3r> I can't imagine using wpa_supplicant
and so on to configure that net in cafe, etc
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1646 [13:38:12] <t3st3r> that's what I meant in regard of
"static setup"
1647 [13:38:17] <MrScoumoune> Yea
1648 [13:38:27] <BluesKaj> MrScoumoune, usually if you use the
interfaces file it's for static IP without NM
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1651 [13:38:36] <petn-randall> MrScoumoune: When the networking
service is run during boot, it will run 'ifup
<ifname>' on every device marked as auto. That is all.
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1654 [13:38:49] <MrScoumoune> Oh ok
1655 [13:38:55] <petn-randall> MrScoumoune: Restarting networking
won't reset any connections, it will do nothing.
1656 [13:39:08] <BluesKaj> dhclient perhaps ?
1657 [13:39:16] <MrScoumoune> Yea, but is very bug, when systemctl
restart networking
1658 [13:39:25] <MrScoumoune> I have an static and an dhcp
1659 [13:39:28] <petn-randall> !restart networking
1660 [13:39:28] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
onwards, the use of the networking init script to reload networking
configuration («/etc/init.d/networking restart») is
discouraged. Instead, perform the actions you really want. Re-apply
changes from /etc/network/interfaces: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Remove
all iptables rules: iptables -F. See also <mdblows>.
1661 [13:39:40] <MrScoumoune> I juste use ifup, with script in
if-up.d etc
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1663 [13:39:43] <MrScoumoune> Is very cool
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1665 [13:39:49] <hakan> hey guys
1666 [13:40:01] <MrScoumoune> When you have testing that, you
don't have need networkmanager seriously
1667 [13:40:08] <hakan> is anybody there than can help me with the
intallation?
1668 [13:40:19] <MrScoumoune> So the service network, i cn remove
it ?
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1670 [13:40:38] <petn-randall> MrScoumoune: If you don't need
a working network, go ahead.
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1672 [13:41:09] <hakan> i have copy the iso to a usb drive
1673 [13:41:10] <MrScoumoune> So the service is quiet or what ?
1674 [13:41:23] <MrScoumoune> Because ifup -v, say informations
1675 [13:41:28] <hakan> but when i try to boot it up it doesnt do
nothing?
1676 [13:41:31] <MrScoumoune> but networking status say nothing
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1678 [13:41:39] <hakan> does it happens to you too?
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1680 [13:41:55] <aedinius> hakan: 1) how did you copy it 2) did
you tell the computer to boot from it?
1681 [13:41:59] <MrScoumoune> sorry is just for understand, the
service
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1683 [13:42:26] <hakan> aedinius: hello
1684 [13:42:37] <hakan> i have read it on the debian page
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1687 [13:43:01] <hakan> just cp /dir/debian.iso /dev/sdb1
1688 [13:43:08] <MrScoumoune> dd is better
1689 [13:43:19] <MrScoumoune> and in sdb no part.
1690 [13:43:21] <petn-randall> MrScoumoune: No, it's not.
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1692 [13:43:26] <aedinius> cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb
1693 [13:43:31] <aedinius> That should be all you need
1694 [13:43:33] <MrScoumoune> ok
1695 [13:43:52] <aedinius> Make sure sdb is your usb though
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1698 [13:44:34] <MrScoumoune> you know what
1699 [13:44:39] <jelly> what
1700 [13:44:43] <MrScoumoune> If networking say nothing
1701 [13:44:54] <MrScoumoune> I think i go make script for ifup
1702 [13:45:14] <jelly> dd isn't better than cp in this case,
cp knows to use an optimal block size by its own
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1704 [13:45:24] <tw> because you just don't like the way its
done? why?
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1706 [13:45:36] <MrScoumoune> dd is the better for make an usb
boot
1707 [13:45:40] <jelly> nope
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1709 [13:45:45] <hakan> aedinius: yes i checked the boot to run it
from the ubs
1710 [13:45:46] <MrScoumoune> and for loop
1711 [13:45:47] <tw> no, cp is block aware and needs no
configuration.
1712 [13:45:50] <hakan> but nothing happens
1713 [13:46:05] <hakan> i already done this with the debian
8.something
1714 [13:46:05] <tw> gnu coreutils' cp, not bsd's cp
1715 [13:46:23] <hakan> but i can make it boot from the usb this
time
1716 [13:46:28] <jelly> (debian install guide has switched to
recommending cp when making bootable usb for this reason; less
issues in general)
1717 [13:46:30] <hakan> dunno why
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1719 [13:46:39] <MrScoumoune> jelly seriously ?
1720 [13:46:49] <hakan> jelly: yass i did cp
1721 [13:47:00] <hakan>
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1722 [13:47:07] <MrScoumoune> yea but cp no clear the part. of usb
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1724 [13:47:30] <tw> Yes it does if you use the base block device
without partition.
1725 [13:47:30] <jelly> overwriting the partition table in any way
clears it
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1727 [13:47:48] <MrScoumoune> My second question is
1728 [13:47:52] <hakan> so what should i do?
1729 [13:48:03] <hakan> send help!
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1731 [13:48:07] <hakan> lul
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1734 [13:48:11] <tw> hakan: have you tried without secureboot?
1735 [13:48:13] <petn-randall> !lol
1736 [13:48:13] <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or
bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you
look like an AOL user.
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1738 [13:48:33] <aedinius> cp debian.iso /dev/sdb <== have you
tried that
1739 [13:48:39] <aedinius> lol
1740 [13:48:40] <hakan> tw: my lappy doest have security boot
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1742 [13:48:43] <hakan> it is not that new
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1745 [13:49:13] <MrScoumoune> It is possible to modify the Debian
interface, to customize its packages ? If have mount and loop iso
and sqfs, and chroot.
1746 [13:49:16] <hakan> aedinius: when i stick the usb its shows
up as /dev/sdb1
1747 [13:49:16] <tw> older than 2012? okay, uhm, does it get to
grub at all or just give you a black screen?
1748 [13:49:49] <MrScoumoune> juste use dd, i dont have problem
seriously, i have make an usb boot with syslinux boot
1749 [13:49:54] <hakan> it is also mentioned on the debian page
that is will be somethgi like /dev/sdbX
1750 [13:49:57] <BluesKaj> we once had a user on a chat who
punctuated every post ending in lol...it was maddening
1751 [13:49:59] <aedinius> hakan: sdb1 is a specific partition.
sdb is the usb itself. the iso expects to take up the entire disk,
not just a partition (it brings its own partitions scheme)
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1753 [13:50:18] <MrScoumoune> blkid and df -h is your tools
1754 [13:50:58] <aedinius> hakan: where?
1755 [13:50:58] <MrScoumoune> Debian .iso*
1756 [13:51:22] <hakan> aedinius: i thing i own youa beer, bro
1757 [13:51:26] <aedinius> The instructions for writing the ISO:
cp debian.iso /dev/sdX
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1759 [13:52:01] <hakan> aedinius: you are absolutly right
1760 [13:52:27] <MrScoumoune> I prefer that : dd if=debian.iso
of=/dev/sdb
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1763 [13:53:10] <aedinius> I throw a bunch of bs and other options
on dd, people look over my shoulder and think I'm super good
and the ladies just line up.
1764 [13:53:23] <hakan> MrScoumoune: i just have saw it on a vid
on youtube that uses "dd"
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1766 [13:53:32] <hakan> i have never used it before
1767 [13:53:38] <MrScoumoune> yea i have make lof of boot usb or
sd usb
1768 [13:53:42] <MrScoumoune> Never problem
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1770 [13:54:02] <aedinius>
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1771 [13:54:17] <hakan> i will try it now aedinius ;)
1772 [13:54:33] <hakan> btw
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1774 [13:55:01] <hakan> which is the default desk enviroment for
debian?
1775 [13:55:09] <hakan> i know it have many
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1777 [13:55:12] <MrScoumoune> yea
1778 [13:55:19] <hakan> but which is the default?
1779 [13:55:42] <tw> gnome3, iirc, but it's been a while
since I installed the default.
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1782 [13:56:01] <MrScoumoune> I have gnome3, but on light debien
have xfce4
1783 [13:56:32] <MrScoumoune> hakan, juste choose you're
pefer
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1785 [13:56:48] <MrScoumoune> if you istall by network
1786 [13:56:53] <MrScoumoune> install*
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1790 [13:58:14] <wozzoz> Hi all, I would like to apply a patch but
i'm not smart enough to figure out how from the available
information. The patch is here:
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1791 [13:58:14] <wozzoz> et alone rebuild. I thought this would be
where i start: `sudo apt-get build-dep xorg-server-source` but i am
no further along as can't find `modesetting/driver.c`
1792 [13:58:15] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1796 [14:01:21] <MrScoumoune> Any have idea if is it possible ?
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1799 [14:02:34] <fightthewalrus> is it considered bad practice to
add multiple architectures to dpkg? I just want to install one
package from another arch, but that pulls off too many dependencies
to install from deb
1800 [14:02:47] <MrScoumoune> is it possible to modify the iso
install of Debian to change the packages and the configuration?
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1802 [14:03:12] <tw> fightthewalrus: not bad practice, but you
probably need those packages if you want to execute in that
architecture.
1803 [14:03:33] <tw> MrScoumoune: yes, preseed requires you do
exactly that.
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1805 [14:05:13] <fightthewalrus> tw: would that mean that from the
point that I enable another arch and on I'd have to
specifically select packages for my default arch always?
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1807 [14:05:19] <MrScoumoune> tw te good way is, mount loop
debian.iso, cp file, mount sqfds cp files, chrott sqfds, and modify,
remount all and finish ?
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1810 [14:06:22] <tw> fightthewalrus: I think it's the other
way around, you have to explicitly add the foreign arch that you
added.
1811 [14:06:42] <tw> so by default, bare packages are the default
arch for the system.
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1814 [14:07:21] <tw> MrScoumoune: pretty much that.
replaced-url
1815 [14:07:45] <fightthewalrus> got it. So my usability would
remain more or less untouched.
1816 [14:07:53] <fightthewalrus> thanks for the clarification, tw
1817 [14:07:57] <tw> yw.
1818 [14:08:16] <dEbuser31> Hello everybody I'm trying to
setup a pppoe server to test pppoe connections from my vm. It
followed various tutorials and the pppoe server is setup. It's
not working, what I wonder is should i also setup a DCHP server or
just the PPPoE one is sufficient ?
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1822 [14:09:47] <BillyCrook> I've netboot/netinstalled rhel
with kickstarts for a long time, and I recently started using
preseed. What directive should I add to preseed to install only a
minimal system? meaning able to be SSH'd into, but no daemons
other than ntp, and certainly no gui login or anything that requires
a framebuffer. (I noticed that it appears the default package
selection includes graphical grub and gdm and presumably gnome)
1823 [14:10:34] <MrScoumoune> tw ok thank i go read that
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1826 [14:12:13] <Tapioco71> somiaj: no clue for efivars
1827 [14:12:38] <tw> BillyCrook: play around with tasksel/first. I
think the one you want is just "standard"
1828 [14:12:48] <tw> Then add pkgsel openssh-server
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1832 [14:13:30] <jelly> BillyCrook: if you want openssh-server and
ntp, install those packages, but that's not a minimal system
any more
1833 [14:13:45] <BillyCrook> tw where can I get a list of all the
things I can choose there?
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1835 [14:15:38] <jelly> coworker says you just set tasksel's
preseed value to anything and task-gnome-desktop won't get
selected
1836 [14:16:03] <jelly> BillyCrook: as for pkgsel that would be
the list of all packages
1837 [14:16:21] <tw> Yeah, I don't know where the list for
tasksel is, I did a bunch of trial and error to get mine right.
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1841 [14:17:04] <BillyCrook> I haven't tried setting it to
nothing. I suppose that makes sense. it must default to give me
gnome and libreoffice etc.
1842 [14:17:46] <tw> Maybe debconf-get-selections will help?
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1844 [14:18:10] <BillyCrook> My intention is to start with a
minimum viable install. I want to be able to ssh to it, and for it
to be secure, but not much more without installin things
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1847 [14:18:22] <BillyCrook> I'll try that, thanks tw!
1848 [14:18:34] <psdn> Is it normal to want to often rebuild a dev
server? I end up loading my server up with tons of packages, amny I
don't use. Then a new versions of debian shows up and I want to
waste a day rebuilding my server. Is there a better way?
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1853 [14:19:43] <jelly> psdn: "new version of debian"
happens like once every two years
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1855 [14:20:02] <psdn> Ok, regardless of new debian version.
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1858 [14:20:37] <jelly> if you do it often you might want to
automate the installation
1859 [14:20:50] <psdn> I'm just rebuilding every six months
because I've installed so many things, mostly to try them, and
I feel uncomfortable with so many packages that I forget about.
1860 [14:21:06] <JustASlacker> maybe use a vm?
1861 [14:21:32] <psdn> I would like to make a base image, but
since we moved to 9.3, if I made an image for 8.7, it would be
wasted.
1862 [14:21:44] <jelly> "rebuild my server" and
"rebuild my vm" has no significant functional difference
1863 [14:22:00] <BillyCrook> is it normal that the tasksel line
doesn't start with "d-i "
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1866 [14:22:18] <JustASlacker> you can snapshot a vm
1867 [14:22:26] <JustASlacker> and roll back
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1869 [14:22:51] <jelly> golden images are ultimately a worse idea
than automating installation and configuration
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1871 [14:23:12] <JustASlacker> if its really only dev, maybe you
want vagrant?
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1875 [14:24:26] <psdn> I already use the snapshot deal, but I run
into problems where I have too many unused packages, but my code is
far ahead and not sure whcih packages I need any longer. the rebuild
helps me install "just what I need". I don't know, I
need a good system. Maybe automate my install.
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1881 [14:25:09] <psdn> Vagrant? No, it's sort of production
as well. Production = dev, it's a just a copy.
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1884 [14:25:39] <psdn> DO does not offer vagrant if that is the
unstable version.
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1887 [14:26:51] <psdn> I see what vagrant is.
1888 [14:27:01] <JustASlacker>
replaced-url
1889 [14:27:13] <Tapioco71> :(
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1893 [14:28:44] <tw> I usually automate package selection with a
debootstrap script and schroot, then blow it away when I'm done
with the project, but there are better tools for doing it now.
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1897 [14:30:37] <BillyCrook> tw: What are those better tools? I
was getting the feeling that preseed might have been deprecated or
something anyway
1898 [14:31:00] <tw> I highly doubt preseed is going anywhere.
1899 [14:31:22] <BillyCrook> oh. its documentation just seems a
bit hard to find
1900 [14:32:24] <tw> BillyCrook: in your case, it might be
sufficient to install a config management tool (puppet, ansible,
etc) and have that do your package selections afterward, but for
minimal, ymmv.
1901 [14:32:37] <Tapioco71> so for the 9.3.0 the installation
image for amd64 on cd is broken
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1911 [14:36:08] <JustASlacker> broken?
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1913 [14:37:35] <Tapioco71> yes it won't install
1914 [14:37:39] <Tapioco71> on UEFI
1915 [14:39:04] <JustASlacker> thats bad
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1917 [14:40:00] <Tapioco71> seems that booting from cd/dvd in uefi
mode won't let grub to install the uefi bootloader
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1919 [14:40:20] <tw> the live cd or the netboot installer?
1920 [14:40:49] <Tapioco71> netinst
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1922 [14:40:59] <Tapioco71> 9.3.0
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1928 [14:43:18] <BillyCrook> tw I tried running the command
'pkgsel', but it wasn't installed. So to find what
package provides that program, I installed apt-file and updated
that, but apt-file search pkgsel only turned up debian-edu-config,
and its match was called pre-pkgsel
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1931 [14:45:02] <tw> it's a preseed thing, for example:
1932 [14:45:03] <tw> -i pkgsel/include string openssh-server
build-essential
1933 [14:45:07] <tw> d-i
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1935 [14:45:39] <BillyCrook> should all non comment lines in
preseed start with d-i?
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1939 [14:46:36] <tw> I've never seen a counterexample to
that. I suspect it's executed as a script.
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1942 [14:49:54] <BillyCrook> oh. it's just that many man
example lines in the 'official example' preseed file
don't start with d-i
1943 [14:50:57] <BillyCrook> It wasn't clear to me if they
were taking for granted the reader would type d-i themselves, or if
it wasn't always needed
1944 [14:51:04] <TC`> /part
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1948 [14:54:19] <BillyCrook> tw: in this for example, they
don't use the d-i:
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1949 [14:54:26] <BillyCrook> not for tasksel
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1952 [14:55:21] <Tapioco71> found the problem,
replaced-url
1953 [14:55:40] <Tapioco71> installing from usb stick worked
flawlessy
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1960 [14:59:22] <BillyCrook> I feel like its pretty insane to have
to just try and guess what lines to have in a preseed file. There
should be a de-facto reference somewhere, complete with seperate,
distinct preeseed example files for common use cases like
gnome-desktop, kde-desktop, lamp server, fileserver, etc
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1968 [15:01:11] <psdn> I messed up my login trying to retain ls
colors in suo. so when I sudo -i, my prompt changes to
"-bash-4.4#" I really wish I could control how my prompt
and colors are in sudo. I've been reading and trying things,
but nothing affects a change.
1969 [15:01:17] <jelly> BillyCrook: so I hear you're
volunteering to write a couple of those examples down and send
patches to d-i people!
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1971 [15:02:12] <BillyCrook> jelly: why that's a useful
comment. If I had the knowledge to get preeseed to work at all, I
wouldn't be asking for help here, now would I?
1972 [15:02:19] <mutante> psdn: "in sudo" means "as
user root" so if you become root and then go to root's
home directory, you can set that like for any other user
1973 [15:02:29] <mutante> root is just another user name
1974 [15:02:37] <mutante> with a special home usually in /root
instead of /home
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1976 [15:03:16] <jelly> I'm confident you'll figure it
out, trial and error
1977 [15:03:23] <psdn> So root doesn't get any colors?
1978 [15:03:47] <jelly> BillyCrook: the point was if there's
no docs, someone has to write them
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1981 [15:04:04] <jelly> and expecting someone ELSE to do it is
silly
1982 [15:04:12] <BillyCrook> jelly: has debian realy had preseed
for more than a decade, and nobody has written docs?
1983 [15:04:13] <mutante> psdn: i would do the opposite and make
root red .. as a warning and reminder
1984 [15:04:44] <psdn> that would be great, if I could get it to
change. Plus, I don't wwant to see -bash-4.4#
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1986 [15:04:51] <mutante> psdn: it just depends on what PS1 is set
to
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1988 [15:05:06] <jelly> BillyCrook: helpful, friendly ones?
Correct.
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1990 [15:05:24] <psdn> What file is PS1 in?
1991 [15:05:38] <BillyCrook> jelly: expecting someone who is
clearly still learning a topic to write the documentation on that
topic that they need to learn it is not just silly, it is insane
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1993 [15:05:45] <mutante> psdn: as your regular user (where you
like the way the prompt looks), run echo $PS1
1994 [15:06:15] <Guest46108> Hi there. I have a couple
installations of Ubuntu 17.04 and it has recently come to my
attention that the repositories go down within a month of end of
support and it isn't really that easy to do a dist-update in
Ubuntu anyway. Can anyone comment on whether Debian will present a
smoother experience?
1995 [15:06:25] <mutante> psdn: then take what you see, edit it if
you like, become root and run "export PS1=something" where
you replace something with what you got earlier
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1998 [15:07:10] <psdn> So it's variable not a file. Thank you
mutante!
1999 [15:07:17] <mutante> psdn: finally if you like the result you
put the "export PS1.." line into /root/.bashrc
2000 [15:07:31] <mutante> psdn: yes, an environment variable
2001 [15:07:51] <malibu> I really just want to be able to stay
updated to a current version as easily as possible.
2002 [15:07:58] <mutante> and you can google the special
characters you need for the colors
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2004 [15:08:39] <psdn> Sweet!
2005 [15:08:44] <psdn> Thank you again!
2006 [15:08:44] <mutante> psdn: special things in there include %u
and %h which will be replaced with user name and host name
2007 [15:08:50] <mutante> quite welcome
2008 [15:09:47] <malibu> Also, how is KDE in Debian?
2009 [15:09:59] <pingfloyd> it's KDE
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2011 [15:10:27] <malibu> Some distros set up KDE better than
others
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2016 [15:11:22] <jelly> it's not excellent. I just blocked my
session trying to use its screenshot tool
2017 [15:11:43] <jelly> and Konsole started forgetting my session
after reboot
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2020 [15:12:04] <malibu> jelly: ok that's good to know
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2022 [15:13:00] <malibu> More important to me though is to be able
to upgrade to a recent version and not have the repos get shut down
on me as soon as support ends
2023 [15:13:14] <malibu> I might even put up with gnome
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2026 [15:13:34] <jelly> that will happen, debian moves the repos
to archive.debian.org after support ends
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2028 [15:14:20] <malibu> But is there a path for upgrading at that
point? There isn't really one in Ubuntu. They point you to a
site with all kinds of steps
2029 [15:14:30] <jelly> so you have to change the configuration if
you need to stay on the old unsupported release. But they won't
disappear.
2030 [15:14:49] <jelly> malibu: there's always a path from
release N to N+1.
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2034 [15:15:27] <jelly> if you have an old Debian 4 somewhere
right now, you can do all the steps to get it to Debian 9 with
inplace release upgrades.
2035 [15:15:47] <malibu> jelly: ok that is primarily what I am
looking for
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2037 [15:16:03] <jelly> which is a totally hypothetical example!!1
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2039 [15:16:12] <malibu> Ubuntu 17.04 ended in January and I
can't even get to 17.10 now
2040 [15:16:43] <jelly> that is weird, since I'm pretty sure
ubuntu has their own similar archive.u.c as well
2041 [15:17:08] <jelly> no idea whether the upgrade process is
documented, you'd have to ask #ubuntu
2042 [15:17:33] <malibu> They pointed me to an upgrade document
that didn't help for my situation
2043 [15:17:42] <malibu> Which is why I'm here at debian now
2044 [15:18:21] <malibu> If I have to reinstall anyway, I'd
like to go with an easier distro
2045 [15:18:33] <jelly> if you're comfortable with Ubuntu
consider using their LTS releases instead
2046 [15:18:56] <malibu> Well part of my problem is I thought all
.04 was LTS but apparently they aren't
2047 [15:19:41] <malibu> I want the newest debian with an easy
path to the next newest debian
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2052 [15:20:27] <jelly> well. "easy" means reading the
release notes when the next release is out, with understanding
2053 [15:20:44] <jelly> it's not a "sudo
do-release-upgrade"
2054 [15:20:51] <malibu> I was shocked to see 404s for apt in an
OS I just installed new a few months ago
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2056 [15:22:01] <jelly> I still thionk your system is salvageably
but I won't comment on quality of help in #ubuntu
2057 [15:22:11] * jelly can't type today
2058 [15:22:27] <malibu> jelly: At one time in debian/ubuntu you
could just run an apt command to update it and it would be done. I
have done it several times. What happened?
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2060 [15:23:02] <jelly> that was never true / alternately, that
only works within one release
2061 [15:23:09] <EnchanterTim> Debian Stable and Chromium browser,
any html <select> dropdown does not render. I only ever see
the first option, and no dropdown renders.
2062 [15:23:18] <EnchanterTim> Anyone else confirm this bug?
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2064 [15:23:35] <EnchanterTim> This happens in chromium from
debian stable, chrome stable,a nd chrome beta, and chrome unstable.
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2068 [15:23:44] <EnchanterTim> Allt he chrome/chromium browsers do
this in debian stable, but not in jessie.
2069 [15:24:26] <malibu> jelly: So if I want to install an OS and
be able to install packages for that OS for a year or two I cannot
go with the newest, I have to go with an LTS?
2070 [15:25:01] <malibu> I don't want to be doing fresh
installs every year
2071 [15:25:13] <jelly> malibu: totally depends on that OS and
their policy
2072 [15:25:19] <EnchanterTim> I was on jessie for 4 years, and
just moved to 9.3
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2074 [15:25:26] <EnchanterTim> it is a hssle, but every few years
you have to upgrade
2075 [15:25:35] <EnchanterTim> nothing can be done about that.
time moves on
2076 [15:25:43] <malibu> Is jessie LTS?
2077 [15:25:48] <malibu> Or does that make a difference
2078 [15:25:51] <EnchanterTim> I dunno. Debian doesn't have
that stuff I think
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2080 [15:26:02] <EnchanterTim> It's just stable/frozen for 2
years iirc
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2082 [15:26:10] <jelly> at this time Debian has a time that does
LTS support for many, but not all, packages
2083 [15:26:11] <EnchanterTim> or until the next debian is ready
2084 [15:26:15] <jelly> a TEAM
2085 [15:26:20] <jelly> !lts
2086 [15:26:20] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project
to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5
years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by
a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about
<wheezy-lts> and see
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2088 [15:26:42] <EnchanterTim> Any ideas about my chromim bug?
2089 [15:26:49] <malibu> Ok but they don't shut down the
repos and let you get 404s a month after support is over, which is
apparently what ubuntu is doing
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2091 [15:27:20] <bites> EnchanterTim: pastebin your html
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2096 [15:28:25] <jelly> malibu: you'll get 404 when that
happens, until you switch to archives.debian.org
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2098 [15:28:28] <jelly> manually
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2100 [15:28:49] <malibu> jelly: ok that's fine. So maybe
there is a way to do that in ubuntu as well
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2102 [15:29:01] <jelly> I strongly suspect there is.
2103 [15:29:55] <EnchanterTim> bites: not mine. Any page. Any
site. Any html drop down, never rendes other then the only/top
option.
2104 [15:30:10] <EnchanterTim> I've got a clean profile, no
addons, extentions or extra configs, alld efault.
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2109 [15:30:32] <bites> works for me
2110 [15:30:40] <EnchanterTim> :(
2111 [15:30:51] <EnchanterTim> I'm very happy for your luck.
2112 [15:30:55] <EnchanterTim> I'm not so lucky yet
2113 [15:31:01] <EnchanterTim> No worky on my side.
2114 [15:31:47] <EnchanterTim> I wish I could take a screenshot,
but soon as you push another key or anythign, the dropdown goes away
2115 [15:31:48] <bites> EnchanterTim: what does chromium --version
return?
2116 [15:32:02] <EnchanterTim> Chromium 64.0.3282.119 built on
Debian 9.3, running on Debian 9.3
2117 [15:32:09] <jelly> EnchanterTim: which DE / wm?
2118 [15:32:15] <EnchanterTim> Xmonad
2119 [15:32:27] <EnchanterTim> Debian9.3, installed xorg,
installed xmonad, and thats it.
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2121 [15:32:34] <EnchanterTim> I like minimla, like my old jessie
system.
2122 [15:33:01] <jelly> you could create a new user to see if
it'ssomething in your session setup
2123 [15:33:15] <EnchanterTim> ok
2124 [15:33:17] <EnchanterTim> wait
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2131 [15:34:32] <EnchanterTim> I made a new user, and startd
chromium under it, same thing.
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2133 [15:34:39] <EnchanterTim> html select dropdown on any webite
wont' render
2134 [15:34:42] <EnchanterTim> 02:30:10 PM < EnchanterTim>
I've got a clean profile, no addons, extentions or extra
configs, alld efault.
2135 [15:34:47] <EnchanterTim>
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2137 [15:34:48] <jelly> ok, so it's not anything in your home
2138 [15:34:52] <EnchanterTim> I test here and on other sties
2139 [15:35:02] <EnchanterTim> noe. I already cleared my home in
primary account
2140 [15:35:10] <EnchanterTim> no profiles, nothing. just plain
old chromium nothign loggedin
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2148 [15:38:25] <EnchanterTim> I used scrot with 5 s delay and
then took a shot
2149 [15:39:08] <EnchanterTim>
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2150 [15:39:15] <EnchanterTim>
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2151 [15:39:27] <EnchanterTim> This is how EVERY single html
<select> on every single website renders
2152 [15:39:48] <EnchanterTim> nothing displays, sometimes, you
don't even see the white blank dropdown, sometimes it only just
displays the first <select option>
2153 [15:39:57] <EnchanterTim> but always, I never get a full html
dropdown anywhere
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2156 [15:40:15] <EnchanterTim> I just installed debian 9.3 and
xorg and xmonad and chromium
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2159 [15:40:17] <nix64bit> find . -name "*.pyc" -exec
git rm {} \;
2160 [15:40:31] <nix64bit> why does this fail in my git dir?
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2163 [15:40:36] <EnchanterTim> nix64bit: add pyc to gitignore
2164 [15:40:47] <nix64bit> i have
2165 [15:40:47] <EnchanterTim> no need to delete bytecode.
2166 [15:40:49] <EnchanterTim> ok
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2168 [15:41:05] <nix64bit> it keeps geting added
2169 [15:41:08] <EnchanterTim> unless you added them to git, y ou
don't have to git rm
2170 [15:41:09] <EnchanterTim> just rm
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2172 [15:41:22] <EnchanterTim> you have to add files to track in
git.
2173 [15:41:29] <EnchanterTim> if you don't add pyc, you
don't have to worry.
2174 [15:41:39] <EnchanterTim> modify your bild script to delete
pyc if you want.
2175 [15:42:11] <EnchanterTim> Check if in your build scripts
you're using "git add ."
2176 [15:42:15] <EnchanterTim> or someting similar.
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2180 [15:43:48] <nix64bit> i am using atom git
2181 [15:43:56] <EnchanterTim> no idea.
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2183 [15:44:22] <EnchanterTim> I have never used gooey editors, so
I can't comment. Perhaps it's their git implementation
that's doing something.
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2185 [15:45:15] <nix64bit> i drop down to bash mostly
2186 [15:45:27] <EnchanterTim> nix64bit> why does this fail in
my git dir?
2187 [15:45:34] <EnchanterTim> Just saw this sentence
2188 [15:45:44] <EnchanterTim> I was hoping you could tell us why
it fails.
2189 [15:45:53] <EnchanterTim> And we can try to help figure it
out
2190 [15:46:22] <jelly> EnchanterTim: that looks like a widget
issue, can you switch to a different gtk3 theme?
2191 [15:46:24] <nix64bit> git commit -m "go away"
2192 [15:46:32] <nix64bit> it seems yo have worked now
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2194 [15:46:34] <EnchanterTim> jelly: don't have gtk
installed.
2195 [15:46:37] <EnchanterTim> afaik.
2196 [15:46:46] <nix64bit> i i pushed the changes
2197 [15:46:49] <EnchanterTim> chromium is using chromium defautl
theme, not gtk (in chromium settings)
2198 [15:46:52] <jelly> yes you do. Chrome is built against it on
Linux.
2199 [15:46:57] <EnchanterTim> I see.
2200 [15:47:06] <EnchanterTim> What would you have me install
particlualry:
2201 [15:47:13] <EnchanterTim> I'm afraid I'm ont up to
speed on gui thigns.
2202 [15:47:25] <jelly> sadlu I have no idea which tool to use to
do that
2203 [15:47:34] <nix64bit> fatal: pathspec
'./rentware/rentware/REST_TEST/rest_test/rentvenv/lib/python3.5/site-packages/reportlab/__pycache__/rl_settings.cpython-35.pyc'
did not match any files
2204 [15:47:35] <EnchanterTim> Darn. Ok, anothe point of reference
to check.
2205 [15:47:42] <EnchanterTim> I'll look into changing gtk
themes in chromium.
2206 [15:47:44] <EnchanterTim> See if that helps.
2207 [15:47:47] <teatime> nix64bit: can't git rm what
isn't in git to begin with
2208 [15:47:48] <EnchanterTim> I'll report back later.
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2210 [15:48:07] <jelly> and "apt-cache search gtk3
theme" isn't really helpful
2211 [15:48:09] <nix64bit> teatime: i just worked that out thanks
2212 [15:48:14] <nix64bit> ;)
2213 [15:48:22] <EnchanterTim> jelly: well I was gonna do the
whole gtk-theme-swtich or something
2214 [15:48:29] <EnchanterTim> install a gtk theme package and
configure it for use.
2215 [15:48:32] <jelly> EnchanterTim: not in chromium, you change
it for all gtk3 apps
2216 [15:48:36] <EnchanterTim> there are gtk2/3 apps to set themes
2217 [15:48:41] <EnchanterTim> *nod*
2218 [15:48:50] <EnchanterTim> chromium has an option to use
system's gtk theme or it's own
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2220 [15:49:01] <EnchanterTim> i have currently set chromium to
not u se gtk, but only its own engine
2221 [15:49:06] <EnchanterTim> if that helps.
2222 [15:49:10] <jelly> right, so you can try the other one right
now
2223 [15:49:27] <jelly> and possibly quit and start it again
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2225 [15:49:39] <EnchanterTim> Ok. From theme "classic"
I shall click use gtk+ and restart browser
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2229 [15:49:52] <EnchanterTim> jelly: ix64bit> why does this
fail in my git dir?
2230 [15:49:54] <EnchanterTim> doh
2231 [15:49:55] <nix64bit> thanks buy a dankie
2232 [15:50:04] <EnchanterTim> wth, I just ... my screenshot cmd
isn't working
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2234 [15:50:15] <EnchanterTim> xclip: no found, doh
2235 [15:50:30] <EnchanterTim>
replaced-url
2236 [15:50:41] <EnchanterTim> and now,
replaced-url
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2238 [15:50:43] <EnchanterTim> restarting
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2242 [15:51:17] <EnchanterTim>
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2244 [15:51:25] <Guest71486> Hi, it says Package
xserver-xorg-input-vmouse is not available, but is referred to by
another package.
2245 [15:51:27] <Guest71486> what's going on
2246 [15:52:00] <BanHammor> do you have an idea what package is
requesting it?
2247 [15:52:09] <BanHammor> (aptitude may help)
2248 [15:52:10] <Guest71486> I tried to install it
2249 [15:52:22] <EnchanterTim> jelly:
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2250 [15:52:23] <bites> ,v xserver-xorg-input-vmouse
2251 [15:52:25] <judd> No package named
'xserver-xorg-input-vmouse' was found in amd64.
2252 [15:52:33] <bites> ,v xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse
2253 [15:52:34] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse on
amd64 -- wheezy: 1:12.9.0-1; jessie: 1:13.0.0-1+b3
2254 [15:52:36] <EnchanterTim> I have default gtk3 engines oxygen
2255 [15:52:41] <bites> you typoed. ^^
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2257 [15:52:56] <Guest71486> no, it still does that without the
typo
2258 [15:53:16] <bites> are you on stretch? that package does not
exist past jessie.
2259 [15:53:26] <Guest71486> i'm on 9
2260 [15:53:41] <bites> it's not packaged for 9.
2261 [15:53:53] <Guest71486> hmm strange
2262 [15:53:59] <bites> whatever you are trying to install is not
built for 9 either.
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2264 [15:54:07] <bites> if it depends on it.
2265 [15:55:48] <BanHammor> Guest71486,
replaced-url
2266 [15:55:49] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2285 [16:04:15] <ws2k3> i just upgraded a fileserver from wheezy
to jessie and now i see 3 smbd processe at 100 % cpu all the time
what can this be?
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2304 [16:11:33] <jelly> ,v samba
2305 [16:11:34] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy:
2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u15;
wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie:
2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9;
stretch: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; stretch-security:
2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; buster: 2:4.7.4+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.7.4+dfsg-1
2306 [16:12:19] <ws2k3> jelly i run 4.2.14-Debian
2307 [16:12:31] <jelly> ws2k3: if you went from samba 3 to 4,
config probably needs to be updated and maybe redone from scratch
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2311 [16:13:21] <ws2k3> jelly can i find the config that jessie
snmb install from somewhere?
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2313 [16:13:39] <jelly> fuck if I know, did you try looking at the
package contents
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2317 [16:17:05] <tw> samba3 -> samba4 didn't need any
changes for me.
2318 [16:17:15] <tw> but my config is super basic.
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2322 [16:17:54] <tw> If you're having problems with the
server though, I'd try stripping it down to minimal, maybe
disable print service.
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2325 [16:18:23] <ws2k3> tw i ran : apt-get install libcups2 samba
samba-common cups and it shows me samba-common is already the newest
version. samba-common set to manually installed. and then it went to
install alot
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2344 [16:26:32] <Kremator> guys, i have a debian8 box, i have had
it connected to a local debian 8 mirror, but since that mirror hasnt
received any updates in 2 weeks i switched to official mirrors
(a.k.a i edites sources.list)
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2346 [16:27:00] <Kremator> but since internet here is slow af,
even just apt update with internet repositories is unusable
2347 [16:27:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1604
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2349 [16:27:31] <Kremator> so i switched back to local mirror, but
now, when i tr to install libsdl2-dev i trows error of broken
packages
2350 [16:27:50] <Kremator> but i didnt even install a program in
the internet repos, i just did an "apt update"
2351 [16:27:57] <Kremator> what could be happening?
2352 [16:28:04] <teatime> did you update again when you switched
back, and it may be unrelated
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2354 [16:28:09] <teatime> also,
2355 [16:28:11] <teatime> !bat
2356 [16:28:11] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2357 [16:28:18] <Kremator> yes, i update again once in the local
mirror
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2359 [16:29:23] <Kremator> ok, gonna take those pastes, give me a
minute
2360 [16:29:27] <teatime> at least upload the output of the
command you ran
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2364 [16:31:32] <Kremator> first command, libsdl2-dev :
replaced-url
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2366 [16:32:27] <Kremator> second command,
replaced-url
2367 [16:33:22] <teatime> libxcursor-dev : Depends: libxcursor1 (=
1:1.1.14-1+b1) but 1:1.1.14-1+deb8u1 is to be installed
2368 [16:33:30] <teatime> welp, that's odd... doesn't
mean much to me...
2369 [16:33:50] <Kremator> third command, a holy whole, it ask me
to practically reinstall 1/3 of my system :
replaced-url
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2373 [16:34:43] <Kremator> teatime, when i try to remov eand
reinstall libxcursor1 to the latest version on this mirror (i hope
its the last one asked for sdl2)
2374 [16:35:10] <teatime> how about apt-cache policy libxcursor1
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2378 [16:36:03] <teatime> I kinda suspect your mirror is not in a
sync'd state, or your mirrors of debian archive vs. security
archive aren't in sync.
2379 [16:36:06] <teatime> but can't say for sure.
2380 [16:36:10] <Kremator>
replaced-url
2381 [16:36:35] <Kremator> teatime, no, my local mirror isnt in a
sync'd state since 2 weeks ago, i said that
2382 [16:36:45] <teatime> I mean in a consistent state
2383 [16:37:05] <Kremator> this is hell, local mirror its shite,
and internet is so slow i cannot use remote repo
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2388 [16:38:15] <teatime> Kremator: is it possible your local
mirror had the security repo installed and you didn't configure
back to that?
2389 [16:38:38] <teatime> your policy output says you have
1:1.1.14-1+deb8u1 installed but it isn't currently available
from your mirror
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2392 [16:39:17] <teatime> and I beleive it came from the
security/updates repo
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2397 [16:40:37] <teatime> if you 'aptitude install
libsdl2-dev', it will offer you multiple solutions, one may be
appropriate (i.e., downgrade libxcursor1), but you will have to be
careful and read what it is proposing to do
2398 [16:40:39] <_Vi> "Unmet build dependencies: debhelper
(>= 11)" -> Is version debhelper of version
"11~bpo9+1" really not enough for this?
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2412 [16:45:14] <_Vi> Shall build dependencies be like `debhelper
(>= 11)` or like `debhelper (>= 11~)`?
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2415 [16:46:06] <ychaouche> "Broken amavis system user
found." when installing amavis after cloning files from source
machine.
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2418 [16:47:12] <Kremator> sorry guys, i wasnt paying attetion to
irc, boss around here
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2420 [16:47:42] <Kremator> ok, im gonna do an aptitude install the
lib to check
2421 [16:47:48] <jelly> ychaouche: that usually means you did not
take care of numerical uid/gid when you had to
2422 [16:48:11] <ychaouche> jelly: yes. I don't know what I
am supposed to do about it.
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2424 [16:48:27] <jelly> ychaouche: does it work now?
2425 [16:48:40] <ychaouche> ahm, haven't tested it yet.
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2427 [16:49:03] <ychaouche> it will take time to test it, I have
to make the mail server up and running which doesn't sound
trivial.
2428 [16:49:20] <ychaouche> but about the numerical uid/gid ?
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2430 [16:49:42] <ychaouche> I have rsynced the files with
--no-numeri-ids
2431 [16:49:50] <jelly> why did you do that
2432 [16:50:13] <ychaouche> to match src and target users by name
instead of by id ?
2433 [16:50:15] <ychaouche> I guess.
2434 [16:50:36] <ychaouche> on target machine :
2435 [16:50:43] <ychaouche> root@messagerie[192.168.100.19] ~/INIT
# id amavis
2436 [16:50:44] <ychaouche> uid=109(amavis) gid=116(amavis)
groups=116(amavis)
2437 [16:50:46] <ychaouche> root@messagerie[192.168.100.19] ~/INIT
#
2438 [16:51:04] <ychaouche> the src id is 109
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2443 [16:52:09] <jelly> ychaouche: the safest thing to do could be
to copy the user and group entries from passwd/shadow/group/gshadow,
for ALL the users whose files you're going to copy, and then
copy WITH numeric uid/gid
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2447 [16:53:10] <ychaouche> I copied the whole
/etc/shadow|passwr|group file instead, maybe that's what broke
things ?
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2449 [16:53:14] <ychaouche> and the numeric-ids
2450 [16:53:46] <jelly> copying the whole files is problematic,
yes, because silly debian creates users even in a base system
install
2451 [16:54:09] <jelly> if you do that, you should do it before
ANYTHING is installed
2452 [16:54:21] <ychaouche> and the ids might be different, ok.
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2454 [16:54:34] <ychaouche> well, anything by me or anything at
all ?
2455 [16:54:36] <jelly> ychaouche: also if you forgot gshadow
things are going to be inconsistent
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2457 [16:54:45] <G__81> Hi i would like to download Debian 8.x.x
but i dont find the torrents anywhere
2458 [16:54:45] <jelly> anything at all
2459 [16:54:48] <G__81> can someone help me out?
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2462 [16:55:08] <ychaouche> so yeah, that's not at my level
of expertise
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2465 [16:55:48] <ychaouche> jelly: iI wasn't even aware of
gshadow
2466 [16:56:02] <ychaouche> thanks for the heads-up
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2468 [16:56:29] <jelly> ychaouche: roughly: you'd install the
base system. Then take note if there are any users with different
uid/gid already. Then find their files and dirs and change them to
old numeric uid/gid. Then copy {passwd,shadow,group,gshadow}. Then
install packages and they'll skip creating users that already
exist.
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2471 [16:57:36] <jelly> this can also hit you if you're just
migrating a whole machine to new hardware via rsync
2472 [16:58:08] <jelly> if you're doing it from a debian
rescue or livecd you really really want to use --numeric-ids
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2474 [16:59:29] <jelly> G__81: just download desired .iso from
replaced-url
2475 [16:59:31] <ychaouche> I've been through lots of
permission issues, yes. I don't remember the exact steps I did
last time, but I thought I could simply install packages (which will
create the users, with different ids), then use --no-numeric-ids
when rsyncing their files.
2476 [17:00:02] <jelly> ychaouche: that falls apart if there are
overlaps
2477 [17:00:06] <ychaouche> but then I shouldn't have copied
/etc/shadow and co
2478 [17:00:12] <jelly> nod
2479 [17:00:28] <G__81> jelly, thanks a lot much appreciated
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2483 [17:00:44] <ychaouche> ok talk to you next time, thanks a lot
for your help and patience.
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2486 [17:00:56] <jelly> ychaouche: it might be a working strategy
if you're careful to only do one package at a time
2487 [17:01:01] <jelly> oh well
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2505 [17:11:55] <theguyfromthebus> I'm having a problem with
ssh. I added an user with useradd -m user.
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2507 [17:12:29] <theguyfromthebus> allowed the user in the sshd
config. The user can join but for some reason he doesn't have
home directory
2508 [17:12:44] <theguyfromthebus> I can see that he has the home
directory created
2509 [17:13:57] <wigums> huh?
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2511 [17:14:01] <theguyfromthebus> so /home/user exists
2512 [17:14:08] <wigums> no no no
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2515 [17:14:49] <wigums> you create a user with useradd or adduser
and generate an ssh key for said user... you dont need to do
anything to ssh
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2517 [17:15:20] <wigums> all system users would be able to use ssh
2518 [17:15:55] <theguyfromthebus> I did make a password for him
with passwd
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2521 [17:16:18] <wigums> youre doin it wrong son
2522 [17:16:21] <theguyfromthebus> but generating key would be
more safe
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2524 [17:16:37] <BCMM> wigums: you can enable specific users only
for ssh with the AllowUsers option in sshd_config
2525 [17:17:04] <theguyfromthebus> yes, I allowed the user with
AllowUsers in sshd_config
2526 [17:17:23] <theguyfromthebus> he can login in but he
didn't have home dir
2527 [17:17:24] <wigums> right except he thinks hes creating a
user by adding one to ssh... never having run addueser or useradd
2528 [17:17:46] <wigums> BCMM, you just like to argue eh?
2529 [17:17:50] <theguyfromthebus> I ran adduser
2530 [17:18:00] <theguyfromthebus> "<theguyfromthebus>
I'm having a problem with ssh. I added an user with useradd -m
user."
2531 [17:18:04] <BCMM> wigums: i don't know why you believe
that, or really why you believe any of the things you say
2532 [17:18:07] <wigums> oh im sorry. you did say that
2533 [17:18:12] <wigums> my bad
2534 [17:18:23] <wigums> i was wrong
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2539 [17:19:26] <theguyfromthebus> I don't know why his home
directory doesn't work
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2541 [17:19:44] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: what exactly do you mean
by "doesn't work" here?
2542 [17:19:47] <BCMM> the directory exists, right?
2543 [17:19:53] <theguyfromthebus> yes, it does
2544 [17:19:59] <theguyfromthebus> he just got the $ in ssh
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2546 [17:20:08] <theguyfromthebus> can run commands like top
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2548 [17:20:54] <BanHammor> does the /home/<bla> directory
exist?
2549 [17:21:00] <theguyfromthebus> yes, it does
2550 [17:21:18] <BanHammor> wait, i'm sorry, i didn't
read 5 messages up:P
2551 [17:21:19] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: so what *can't* the
user do?
2552 [17:21:36] <theguyfromthebus> can't see his dir
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2554 [17:21:43] <BanHammor> i presume they got /bin/sh instead of
/bin/bash or have a weird $PS1 variable
2555 [17:21:58] <wigums> did you run useradd or adduser? which
one?
2556 [17:22:01] <BanHammor> ls ~ doesn't work?
2557 [17:22:05] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: what do you mean by
"see"? is it just the shell prompt that's the
problem?
2558 [17:22:17] <wigums> 1 will set up for you, the other you have
to set everything up no?
2559 [17:22:42] <theguyfromthebus> I ran the adduser
2560 [17:22:46] <wigums> k
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2562 [17:23:07] <theguyfromthebus> BCMM he can see just the shell
prompt
2563 [17:23:35] <wigums> if he can see a prompt he must be
"somewhere"
2564 [17:23:37] <BanHammor> again, does ls -la ~ work?
2565 [17:23:38] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: i mean, is the problem
literally that the prompt is "$ " instead of
"user@host ~ $ "?
2566 [17:24:00] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: or have you tried and
failed to create a file, for example?
2567 [17:24:31] <theguyfromthebus> BCMM ls -la works
2568 [17:24:50] <wigums> theguyfromthebus, what does PWD say?
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2570 [17:25:20] <theguyfromthebus> BCMM can't make folders
2571 [17:25:23] <jusss> I cann't find nologin in /bin/ , is
that normal?
2572 [17:25:26] <wigums> or rather pwd
2573 [17:25:53] <BCMM> jusss: it's in /usr/sbin
2574 [17:26:03] <jusss> BCMM: ok
2575 [17:26:07] <theguyfromthebus> dir command doesn't give
back anything
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2577 [17:26:15] <wigums> pwd?
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2579 [17:26:32] <theguyfromthebus> -sh: 9: PWD: not found
2580 [17:26:49] <n4dir> jusss: whereis might be a useful command
2581 [17:26:49] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: ah!
2582 [17:26:56] <wigums> there ya go
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2584 [17:27:10] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: sorry to ask this again,
but do you have any problem beyond the appearance of the shell
prompt?
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2586 [17:27:18] <BanHammor> it's pwd or $PWD, not PWD
2587 [17:27:32] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: because i see from your
last command that you're running sh instead of bash as that
user's shell
2588 [17:27:33] <JordiGH> I'm getting a lot of GTK theme
warnings in the console. How do I make them go away?
2589 [17:27:59] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: if you type
"bash", does the terminal start behaving in the way you
expect it to?
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2592 [17:28:20] <theguyfromthebus> BCMM yes
2593 [17:28:23] <theguyfromthebus> thank you
2594 [17:28:28] <hmpf1> Hi! Is there a reason why libts is
available under wheezy and buster, but not under stretch?
2595 [17:28:31] <theguyfromthebus> I'm so noob
2596 [17:28:40] <theguyfromthebus> thanks for the help guys
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2598 [17:28:49] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: ok, so unless
there's another problem, the issue wasn't actually with
teh home dir
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2603 [17:29:12] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: you can arbitrarily
customise what the shell prompt looks like, and a common thing to
include is the current directory
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2605 [17:29:45] <wigums> i aso like colored prompts... green for
user red for root
2606 [17:29:49] <BanHammor> hmpf1,
replaced-url
2607 [17:29:50] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
2608 [17:30:04] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: it's just that bash
has a more complicated default prompt than sh
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2611 [17:30:36] <BCMM> theguyfromthebus: you can use chsh (as that
user) to automatically log in with bash instead of sh next time
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2613 [17:31:11] <theguyfromthebus> BCMM makes sense. I always use
bash and I didn't know what was going on.
2614 [17:31:22] <theguyfromthebus> BCMM thank you for the help
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2616 [17:31:30] <BCMM> np
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2632 [17:37:00] <hmpf1> BanHammor: k ,thx
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2643 [17:44:17] <wr> when a debian new version ISO is updated on
repos will it bring a new kernel version?
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2649 [17:46:27] <wigums> it can if you want
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2654 [17:46:52] <somiaj> wr: depends on what you mean by new
version, but he next point release will have a newer 4.9 version for
the isos
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2665 [17:51:29] <wr> somiaj, next release will have newer kernel?
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2671 [17:53:33] <somiaj> wr: you are being vague. Of course the
next release will have a newer kernel, but I was talking about a
point release, they get newer kernels, too...but you haven't
defined what newer kernel you want. 9.4 will ust have a newer 4.9.x
kernel
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2674 [17:54:06] <Walakea> Were any thoughts given to the idea of
Debian OS with Redox kernel? Just hypothetically if it would be
possible, or how hard it would be.
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2681 [17:56:13] <wr> somiaj, i meant release points, like 9.4 will
have newer kernel?
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2683 [17:57:18] <somiaj> wr: did you not understand what I said?
9.4 will have a newer 4.9.x kernel
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2695 [18:02:14] <n4dir> i would look for a new kernel in stable
backports, but can't figure out right now if that actually
makes any sense
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2761 [18:25:39] <marcopgordillo> Hello
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2768 [18:30:01] <jelly> yes hello
2769 [18:30:21] <jelly> this is dog
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2822 [18:46:56] <g0zzy> I've got a Thinkpad here and
i've just cloned my root partition to another disk which is
currently in the multi-drive bay (could be called something else).
Quite weird things going on. I chroot into the cloned partition and
when i install grub to the mbr of that disk, i get "Installing
for i386-pc platform." Why? It should be amd64
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2824 [18:47:56] <jelly> g0zzy: that i386-pc does not mean what you
think it means
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2827 [18:48:38] <g0zzy> OK, that's a relief
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2829 [18:48:49] <jelly> you have an x86 system, with DOS MBR
partition table format? grub calls it that way.
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2832 [18:49:01] <g0zzy> OK.
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2836 [18:50:10] <g0zzy> I think i next have to make sure i've
got the right fstab in the clone. Actually i would have thought
Clonezilla would fix that up, but maybe it hasn't
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2842 [18:51:19] <g0zzy> How would i make sure that fstab has new
UUIDs for the new disk?
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2844 [18:51:53] <jelly> you'd look at the uuids and then look
at fstab and then compare?
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2846 [18:52:08] <lupulo> hi
2847 [18:52:13] <BCMM> g0zzy: blkid will tell you what the new
uuids are
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2854 [18:53:05] <BCMM> lupulo: hi
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2856 [18:53:14] <g0zzy> BCMM: They're identical between the
two disks. That's wrong. Either Clonezilla blundered or i did
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2858 [18:53:45] * g0zzy is maybe expecting too much from Clonezilla
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2861 [18:55:26] <g0zzy> What can i do about the new fstab having
the 'wrong' UUIDs?
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2864 [18:56:32] <BCMM> g0zzy: well hang on... have the uuids on
the actual partitions changed?
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2867 [18:56:49] <jelly> ,v fonts-symbola
2868 [18:56:50] <judd> Package: fonts-symbola on amd64 -- stretch:
2.59-1; buster: 2.60-1; sid: 2.60-1
2869 [18:56:52] <BCMM> i mean if the partitions haven't
changed and fstab hasn't changed, sounds like fstab is correct
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2872 [18:57:33] <g0zzy> The clone is wrong. They can't both
have the same UUID can they?
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2875 [18:58:08] <BCMM> (re: the i386 thing - during early boot,
the cpu is not running in 64-bit mode anyway. in fact, on a bios
machine, grub is more or less running on an emulated 80806)
2876 [18:58:21] <g0zzy> Good point
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2878 [18:58:26] <lupulo> g0zzy, you could use LABEL,
replaced-url
2879 [18:59:30] <lupulo> g0zzy,
replaced-url
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2881 [18:59:55] <BCMM> g0zzy: sorry, i have been erroneously
talking about partition uuids when the uuids actually belong to the
filesystems, not the partitions
2882 [19:00:02] <BCMM> partition uuids exist in gpt but not in mbr
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2885 [19:00:50] <g0zzy> Right
2886 [19:00:58] <BCMM> g0zzy: you can use tune2fs to set new uuids
on ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystems
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2888 [19:01:08] <BCMM> other filesystems will need other,
fs-specific tools
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2890 [19:01:49] <g0zzy> OK, i like the idea of new uuids
2891 [19:02:32] <BCMM> but labeling and mounting by labels is
easier to keep track of imho
2892 [19:02:45] <g0zzy> BCMM: I'm now in the chroot, so the
drive is 'live'. Is using tune2fs still possible?
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2894 [19:03:06] <lupulo> g0zzy, LVM snapshots will result in
duplicate UUIDs, however.
replaced-url
2895 [19:03:09] <jelly> g0zzy: yes, changing just the uuid or
label on a live fs is fine
2896 [19:03:14] <g0zzy> BCMM: You might win me round ;)
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2898 [19:03:44] <BCMM> g0zzy: yeah, you can do tune2fs on a
mounted fs
2899 [19:03:48] * g0zzy will maybe do both
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2904 [19:06:39] <g0zzy> Actually regenerating a new random uuid
gave me "Please run e2fsck -f on the filesystem."
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2908 [19:09:04] <g0zzy> Guys. fyi that thing about new uuid on a
live fs appears to be wrong. Not only did i get the above message,
but it hasn't changed
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2915 [19:14:04] <octet> some characters show up as rectangles on
my system. Do I need to install a locale for every language to view
foreign symbols like chinese and korean characters?
2916 [19:14:13] <jelly> g0zzy: on which fs type?
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2923 [19:16:35] <g0zzy> ext4
2924 [19:16:42] <jelly> g0zzy: I guess you really need to fsck for
it to be changed? Labels can definitely be changed on the fly.
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2926 [19:17:18] <coyas> ola
2927 [19:17:22] <g0zzy> Actually i did exit the chroot but blkid
still reports the same UUID
2928 [19:17:22] <coyas> hello
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2930 [19:17:34] <annadane> hi coyas
2931 [19:17:41] <jelly> g0zzy: and did you umount and fsck -f as
the command suggested?
2932 [19:18:02] <coyas> who
2933 [19:18:44] <g0zzy> Yes
2934 [19:18:57] <g0zzy> I'm going to try an explicit UUID now
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2938 [19:19:37] <jelly> uh. What did you try before, then?
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2940 [19:20:09] <coyas> hi i'm not new in linux, usually i
use fedora, but i return to my debian
2941 [19:20:35] <coyas> debian is hard to install but it faster
than fedora
2942 [19:21:39] <g0zzy> -U random
2943 [19:21:46] <g0zzy> -U time worked
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2945 [19:22:58] <g0zzy> Got to say i'm a bit confused by
fstab. Part of it has got to be auto-generated has it not?
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2954 [19:23:53] <BCMM> octet: basically a font issue AFAIK
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2957 [19:24:36] <octet> How can I alleviate it? I currently am
using en_CA.utf8
2958 [19:24:39] <BCMM> octet:
replaced-url
2959 [19:24:47] <BCMM> ^on
2960 [19:24:53] <octet> but I'd like to be able to view every
symbol
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2962 [19:25:09] <BCMM> there are a *lot* of symbols in unicode
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2964 [19:25:27] <BCMM> i'm not sure there is any font that
includes every symbol
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2966 [19:25:48] <theguyfromthebus> I'm trying to open the
28015 port but for some reason I can't. I put this in the
iptables iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 28015 -j ACCEPT
2967 [19:25:54] <octet> but windows shows the symbols for
everything
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2969 [19:25:58] <theguyfromthebus> but checking the port is still
closed
2970 [19:26:05] <BCMM> octet: no it really does not
2971 [19:26:10] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: how are you checking?
2972 [19:26:30] <theguyfromthebus> jelly
replaced-url
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2974 [19:26:42] <octet> for example, this symbol shows in my
windows VM but appears as rectangles in linux జ్ఞా
2975 [19:26:42] <g0zzy> OK - that's fstab changed. When i
come back, i hope to do so from my new SSD ;)
2976 [19:26:52] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: and this machine is on
public internet with one of its interfaces?
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2978 [19:27:05] <BCMM> octet: there are currently 1,114,112
symbols in unicode
2979 [19:27:06] <theguyfromthebus> jelly yes
2980 [19:27:14] <BCMM> octet: there is not a button you can press
to get support for 100% of them
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2982 [19:27:26] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: are you sure that tool
can deal with UDP?
2983 [19:27:42] <octet> but why does it immediately show that
symbol for me in windows? I dont get my I cannot do the same here
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2985 [19:27:46] <BCMM> octet: but if you want teluga, install a
font that includes teluga support
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2987 [19:28:09] <BCMM> octet: do you want a solution, or do you
just want to vent about debian not including it out-of-the-box?
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2989 [19:28:14] <theguyfromthebus> jelly I think it should. What
other way can I check if the port is open?
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2991 [19:28:20] <octet> I do want a solution
2992 [19:28:21] <BCMM> ^telugu
2993 [19:28:34] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: use a client for your
particular udp-based app
2994 [19:28:37] <BCMM> octet: apt install ttf-telugu-fonts
2995 [19:29:06] <theguyfromthebus> jelly ok
2996 [19:29:07] <BCMM> octet: uh sorry, it's called
fonts-telu these days
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2998 [19:29:16] <octet> ok ill try it out thank you
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3000 [19:29:28] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: and then use strace to
see if your app's process is getting the traffic
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3005 [19:31:09] <GNU\colossus> so... where does Debian's
"implicit"-default locale stem from, if
/etc/default/locale is empty? when I do a survey over all our hosts
(some dating back to sarge; having been dist-upgraded to wheezy),
some come up with "POSIX"; some others with "C".
what makes the difference?
3006 [19:32:40] <jelly> GNU\colossus: I'm guessting version
of distro (well, glibc). POSIX and C are the same thing
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3008 [19:33:44] <jelly> haven't seen an explicit POSIX in
"locale" output in a while
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3019 [19:35:55] <GNU\colossus> hmm. but even hosts with the same
release installed (and booted :)) sometimes show me "C",
and sometimes "POSIX"
3020 [19:36:16] <GNU\colossus> the difference was, I think,
installation method. some were deboostrapped by xen-tools.
3021 [19:36:17] <jelly> GNU\colossus: you could strace -f -eopen
the command and see where it reads stuff from
3022 [19:36:34] <GNU\colossus> some were debootstrapped by ganeti,
and some were physical installs
3023 [19:36:39] <GNU\colossus> jelly, I'll try that, yes
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3038 [19:42:08] <GNU\colossus> interesting. I have a host that has
its locale set to "C" in any interactive shell I spawn
there
3039 [19:42:30] <GNU\colossus> but when I do `/usr/bin/env -i
/usr/bin/locale`, I also get POSIX there
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3041 [19:42:48] <GNU\colossus> and I do have LANG=C in the parent
shell's env
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3044 [19:42:55] <GNU\colossus> so it might be some bash startup
file after all
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3048 [19:44:27] <jelly> I suspect it's what's written in
the C locale file definition as its name
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3051 [19:45:35] <theguyfromthebus> jelly it isn't working
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3053 [19:45:45] <theguyfromthebus> I tried with the client and
can't connect
3054 [19:46:03] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: do you see the server
app getting the traffic?
3055 [19:46:22] <jelly> is it running at all:?
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3058 [19:46:51] <theguyfromthebus> can't find it in netstat
but its running for sure
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3060 [19:47:10] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: run netstat (or ss) as
root
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3064 [19:47:40] <EnchanterTim> How do you change a gtk3 theme in
debian w/o having gnome installed?
3065 [19:47:47] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: if you know its PID you
can verify with lsof whether it's listening on UDP at all
3066 [19:47:48] <EnchanterTim> I used gtk2-theme-switch for gtk2
themes
3067 [19:47:54] <EnchanterTim> I want to know one for gtk3
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3070 [19:48:29] <theguyfromthebus> jelly I can't see it with
netstat
3071 [19:48:55] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: and if you don't
know its PID then you didn't strace it at all so you don't
really know if it's receiving traffic or not :-)
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3074 [19:49:28] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: are you running netstat
as root, and are you using options to see udp and listeners?
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3076 [19:49:43] <cuono> hi debian
3077 [19:49:46] <cuono> how r u
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3079 [19:49:58] <cuono> dedobrian
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3081 [19:50:07] <theguyfromthebus> jelly netstat -tuplen shows
that udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:28015 0.0.0.0:* 1001 25031 3050/./RustDedicate
3082 [19:50:10] <cuono> hey man
3083 [19:50:14] <jelly> cuono: hi! If you want to chat, /join
#debian-offtopic
3084 [19:50:25] <jelly> cuono: this channel is for tech support
3085 [19:50:35] <cuono> my brain runs debian
3086 [19:50:48] <theguyfromthebus> jelly I also opened the 28016
port but that's not here
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3088 [19:51:11] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: good, so a listener is
running.
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3092 [19:51:46] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: now go "strace -f
-p 25031", send some traffic, and see if the process reacts
3093 [19:53:21] <jelly> if it does, then your service isn't
doing what you want it do. If it doesn't, check whether the
traffic is coming to this machine at all, by running a sniffer like
"tcpdump -ni eth0 port 28015" and sending some more
traffic
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3095 [19:53:55] <jelly> if the traffic arrives, but the service
doesn't see it, only THEN you have an iptables issue
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3097 [19:54:29] <theguyfromthebus> [pid 3058]
futex(0x7f218b0fee98,
FUTEX_WAIT_BITSET_PRIVATE|FUTEX_CLOCK_REALTIME, 0, NULL, 0xffffffff
<unfinished ...>
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3099 [19:54:49] <theguyfromthebus> I don't really know what
does this mean
3100 [19:55:13] <jelly> that tells you nothing, just a thread
waiting... does more output happen when you send traffic?
3101 [19:55:14] <lupulo> theguyfromthebus,
replaced-url
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3105 [19:55:46] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: if it does, then the
service is probably receiving it (and it's a service issue not
an iptables issue)
3106 [19:56:04] <theguyfromthebus> Thank you
3107 [19:56:04] <lupulo> theguyfromthebus, iptraf seems a good
tool
3108 [19:56:16] <jelly> theguyfromthebus: if strace doesn't
budge, then it might be a networking or iptables issue
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3115 [19:57:25] <theguyfromthebus> Thank you guys for the help
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3117 [19:58:39] <jelly> (and if it looks like an iptables issue
we'll ask you to show the whole ruleset, output of
iptables-save in a pastebin like
replaced-url
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3119 [19:59:14] <jelly> (but right now we don't know if
it's the network or iptables or service)
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3121 [19:59:57] <theguyfromthebus> I was able to connect this
time. So its probably something with the client
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3125 [20:01:25] * g0zzy would just like to say thanks. Now back on with
new SSD. Like having a new machine, of course
3126 [20:01:41] <jelly> you can still figure that out by looking
at network traffic at both endpoints, see if the client machine is
sending any out, and if the server is receiving any
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3130 [20:02:52] <jelly> just need to be systematic and use right
tools to see what happens on process level, local firewall level,
network level
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3204 [20:38:29] <karlpinc> How do I clear a negative DNS cache
entry? I tried restarting bind9 but the SOA ttl just keeps counting
down.
3205 [20:38:40] <becks`> I have zombie processes that cause my
debian 9.3 to show a load of 20... any way to fix this without
rebooting?
3206 [20:38:47] <greycat> !zombie
3207 [20:38:48] <dpkg> A zombie process is one which has issued an
exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its
variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent
process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's
already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the
zombie.
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3209 [20:39:29] <greycat> I also have my doubts about your claim
that the zombies are *causing* your load average.
3210 [20:39:50] <rebekah> when you install things using apt-get
install it will sometimes say "the following additional
packages will be installed"... is there a way to see the analog
to this with apt-get purge (or remove)?
3211 [20:39:51] <greycat> They may be unrelated, or they may both
be symptoms of your actual problem, whatever that may be.
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3214 [20:40:26] <alkisg> rebekah: apt purge --auto-remove will
also tell you which packages it will autoremove
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3218 [20:41:00] <alkisg> Or, if you apt purge some smaller package
that a larger package depends on, then the larger package will get
removed because of the now missing dependency, and apt will show
that
3219 [20:41:14] <bites> -s for simulate also works.
3220 [20:41:20] <becks`> greycat: why not? I have 20 servers, 3 of
those have zombies, and only those 3 are showing a huge load... but
there's no I/O wait or cpu
3221 [20:41:24] <rebekah> alkisg: that that doesnt seem to give a
list much different just apt-get purge
3222 [20:41:49] <alkisg> rebekah: it depends on what you're
purging, it can either be the same, or 100 packages more :)
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3225 [20:41:54] <greycat> If there's no actual CPU usage,
I'd just ignore them until you can get the parent process
fixed.
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3227 [20:42:16] <greycat> Parents shouldn't be leaving large
numbers of zombies lying about for long periods of time.
3228 [20:42:17] <rebekah> the issue is that say i have 100
packages i want to purge, then it says it will purge 120 (for
example)... i really want to (easily) know what those 20 are
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3232 [20:42:44] <rebekah> when you install something and it needs
to install dependancies it seperates out that information
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3236 [20:43:09] <karlpinc> becks`: Last time that happened to me
it was a pile of ssh connections raising the load and never showing
up in diagnostics. Just a thought.
3237 [20:43:22] <alkisg> well, when you remove, there's no
"dependencies for removal", just "no longer required
packages". Test: apt purge --dry-run coreutils
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3240 [20:44:04] <karlpinc> rebekah: I believe if you use aptitude
it auto-removes un-needed dependencies but tells you first and you
can say yes or no.
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3242 [20:44:17] <becks`> thanks guys :)
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3244 [20:44:53] <rebekah> alkisg: i might be removing a package
(like a library) which several packages depend upon its hard to see
what was on my list and what apt decided had to be removed because
im removing a dependancy
3245 [20:45:18] <karlpinc> rebekah: I tend to use "aptitude
why" for that.
3246 [20:45:34] <karlpinc> rebekah: (or maybe whynot. I forget.)
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3251 [20:46:41] <rebekah> ill look at aptitude why then
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3255 [20:48:12] <alkisg> rebekah: apt install bigpackage says
"packages bigpackage, smallpackage will be installed". apt
purge smallpackage says "packages bigpackage, smallpackage will
be removed". I don't see a difference..
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3258 [20:48:23] <alkisg> (where bigpackage depends on
smallpackage)
3259 [20:49:08] <greycat> I think she's claiming that one of
them says "A, and also B" and the other one just says
"A B" with no visible separation between the two sets...?
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3263 [20:50:08] <rebekah> hmm maybe its not different, i guess if
i do "apt-get install gnome" then its going to list
everything its going to install
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3271 [20:51:50] <rebekah> i have a file purge.list... 107 lines
and if i do apt-get purge $(cat purge.list) then it says it is going
to delete 115 packages... which is fine execept i was just looking
for a quick way to see what those 8 packages would be
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3274 [20:52:20] <alkisg> Call it with dry-run, and then diff :D
3275 [20:52:40] <rebekah> i think i will have to do something like
that
3276 [20:53:05] <rebekah> i guess i just thought install seperated
them into "additional" and things you asked for... but im
realizing it actually doesnt do that
3277 [20:53:13] <rebekah> so i was thinking there would be an
analog for purge
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3287 [20:56:31] <ddp`> hello
3288 [20:56:55] <ddp`> I have this message on boot : [ 8.426200]
intel_soc_dts_thermal: request_threaded_irq ret -22
3289 [20:57:01] <ddp`> what's this?
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3291 [20:58:40] <jelly> it looks like a random kernel message from
a random driver
3292 [20:59:01] <ddp`> yes ofc
3293 [20:59:16] <jelly> google the whole thing without the
timestamp and see if you're any smarter
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3295 [21:00:06] <jelly>
replaced-url
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3297 [21:00:27] <jelly> if things work, just ignore it
3298 [21:00:43] <jelly> ddp`: does something NOT work?
3299 [21:00:47] <ddp`> i think it's a kernel bug
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3301 [21:00:53] <ddp`> no mate
3302 [21:01:00] <ddp`> it's only a message
3303 [21:01:07] <jelly> then there's no reason to think
it's a bug
3304 [21:01:34] <ddp`> maybe :)
3305 [21:01:46] <jelly> it's something that a driver
complained about, nothing more, nothing less. There could be many
reasons.
3306 [21:01:59] <ddp`> it could be
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3308 [21:03:45] <jelly> ddp`: eg. one of the results is kernel
bugzilla:
replaced-url
3309 [21:04:02] <ddp`> let me see
3310 [21:04:04] <jelly> um, RH bugzilla
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3312 [21:05:11] <jelly> why do you think it's a bug?
3313 [21:06:15] <ddp`> now i'm sure it's not a bug jelly
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3316 [21:08:05] <jelly> judging by the conversation with devs that
user mentioned, it's a bug in a sense that kernel devs
haven't silenced that message since 2015
3317 [21:08:20] <jelly>
replaced-url
3318 [21:08:47] <ddp`> ok
3319 [21:08:48] <jelly> > There is no INT3401 in the acpi dump.
Also no one registered IRQ 86. So the request_irq failing. It is not
a problem, this platform can't support. Do we want to silently
bail out? > [...] yes
3320 [21:08:58] <jelly> but they haven't.
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3401 [21:49:19] <d3b14nL0v3r> Hello. I just upgraded to Stretch
and it fails to boot. How should I fix it?
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3415 [21:52:10] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: did the upgrade finihs
successfully? Did you follow the procedure from stretch release
notes? You can start debugging by removing the "quiet"
option from kernel in the boot loader entry, booting that and seeing
where it hangs. Take a screenshot if the screen's not black and
upload somehwere like imgur.com or picpaste.com
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3429 [21:57:50] <sphalerite_> Hi folks. I'm periodically
getting messages like [3492052.892035] blk_update_request: I/O
error, dev fd0, sector 0 on the journal. Now the I/O errors are
pretty expected since I haven't actually got a floppy disk in
the drive, but I don't know what it is that's trying to
read the floppy and would prefer not to have this log noise. Any
ideas?
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3431 [21:58:16] <greycat> Probably a grub update.
3432 [21:58:37] <greycat> One of the things it does is probe EVERY
device to see if there's a way to boot it.
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3435 [21:59:08] <HKitain> you can definitely unplug your floppy
drive, it's not getting used any time soon :P
3436 [21:59:14] <jhutchins_wk> sphalerite_: Have you disabled the
floppy in the BIOS?
3437 [21:59:15] <jelly> sphalerite_: what's that timestamp in
human date and time? Ue dmesg -t
3438 [21:59:36] <jelly> HKitain: it's hard to unplug the
floppy controller.
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3440 [21:59:41] <jhutchins_wk> sphalerite_: I believe the solution
for VMs is to remove the floppy module from the kernel.
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3442 [21:59:58] <jelly> or just ignore the message
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3445 [22:00:28] <jhutchins_wk> sphalerite_: I think if you plug
the error message into Google you'll get answers.
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3448 [22:01:08] <HKitain> jelly: i'm under the impression if
you unplug your floppy cable no fd0 is created at all
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3451 [22:01:45] <jelly> it's possible. I don't have a
machine with a floppy to verify.
3452 [22:02:00] <Kaliimane123> Hi guys
3453 [22:02:06] <sphalerite_> oooooh just looked at the journal
rather than the netconsole log and found that it always coincides
with the puppet agent running. I'm guessing that's
what's trying to read from it
3454 [22:02:41] <EnchanterTim> jelly: I don't think that html
select chromium bug has to do with gtk engine/styles. I've
tried many diff ones.
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3462 [22:03:35] <sphalerite_> thanks for the pointers, folks. Who
knows when I might need to put an actual floppy in the machine ;)
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3464 [22:03:54] <snow__> hi
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3467 [22:04:15] <snow__> how do i copy files to my other mount?
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3470 [22:04:41] <jhutchins_wk> snow__: cp <source>
<dest>
3471 [22:04:47] <deepfreez> snow__, or rsync
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3473 [22:05:59] <EnchanterTim> come on man, I've not been
able to use debian stable as a useful desktop
3474 [22:06:09] <greycat> You need read permission on the source,
and write permission on the dest.
3475 [22:06:15] <snow__> it says that the mount is read only
3476 [22:06:20] <EnchanterTim> chromium wont' render html
select dropdowns.
3477 [22:06:21] <EnchanterTim> :(
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3479 [22:06:58] <jelly> EnchanterTim: you got a public web page
exhibiting the behaviour? I can't be arsed to scroll back up
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3481 [22:07:08] <EnchanterTim> what do you mean?
3482 [22:07:12] <jelly> an URL
3483 [22:07:14] <EnchanterTim> It doesn't matter which page I
go to
3484 [22:07:16] <jelly> exanmple
3485 [22:07:18] <EnchanterTim> Any website, anywhere.
3486 [22:07:26] <greycat> THen give us the one you're on
right now.
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3488 [22:07:29] <jelly> one. example.
3489 [22:07:36] <EnchanterTim> any html <select> dropdown
won't render. you saw the screenshot and you suggested it might
be gtk engines
3490 [22:07:56] <jelly> Yes. I have no idea where those are used.
3491 [22:07:58] <EnchanterTim> I switched around and didn't
find remedy, no gtk configs, no qt configs, no .config/chromium or
./config/google*
3492 [22:07:59] <snow__> how do i take ownership of a folder?
3493 [22:08:05] <greycat> snow__: chown
3494 [22:08:08] <jelly> EnchanterTim: can you provide an URL that
shows it?
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3496 [22:08:22] <EnchanterTim> How?
3497 [22:08:27] <greycat> paste the URL into chat
3498 [22:08:32] <EnchanterTim> Which url?
3499 [22:08:36] <greycat> ...
3500 [22:08:45] <jelly> EnchanterTim: some page with those html
<select> dropdown things
3501 [22:08:49] <EnchanterTim> jsut any random website w/ an html
<select> ?
3502 [22:08:54] <jelly> yes
3503 [22:09:00] <EnchanterTim> Listerally, anyone random page on
the web.
3504 [22:09:00] <greycat> Whichever page you are on that is
exhibiting the problem.
3505 [22:09:06] <EnchanterTim> does debian,.org website have those
dropdown
3506 [22:09:07] <EnchanterTim> ?
3507 [22:09:09] <EnchanterTim> try there.
3508 [22:09:16] <greycat> *plonk*
3509 [22:09:19] <EnchanterTim> every single page.!
3510 [22:09:22] <EnchanterTim> every one.
3511 [22:09:22] <jelly> EnchanterTim: I can't recognize
those. Give me a page YOU know has them.
3512 [22:09:25] <EnchanterTim> *sigh*
3513 [22:09:29] <jelly> google.com ?
3514 [22:09:32] <EnchanterTim> is this the twliight zone?
3515 [22:09:36] <EnchanterTim> ok
3516 [22:09:38] <EnchanterTim> ffs.
3517 [22:09:48] <jelly> does google.com landing page have those?
3518 [22:09:53] <EnchanterTim>
replaced-url
3519 [22:09:53] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: No, you have an edge
case problem that nobody else has, we're trying to find an
example we can test.
3520 [22:10:22] <EnchanterTim> Then when I say "ANY"
page in chromium that has html select won't render. you keep
asking me for some specific url.
3521 [22:10:27] <jhutchins_wk> Works fine in chrome.
3522 [22:10:29] <EnchanterTim> Pick ANY url that has html select
dropdowns.
3523 [22:10:57] <EnchanterTim>
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3524 [22:11:03] <jelly> EnchanterTim: the first example works for
me, with amd64 google-chrome-stable on Debian 9
3525 [22:11:06] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: You can't
possibly have tested a large enough sample of the web to know that
every one fails.
3526 [22:11:12] <EnchanterTim> damnit, wrong one
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3528 [22:11:52] <deepfreez> Hi, can anyone help me to know why my
scripts not working?
replaced-url
3529 [22:11:59] <EnchanterTim>
replaced-url
3530 [22:12:08] <EnchanterTim> finally found it in logs,
that's how it renders on my end.
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3532 [22:12:33] <EnchanterTim> jhutchins_wk: look man, I'm
already frusrate with thre days o fthis problem, please dont'
antagonize me.
3533 [22:12:36] <jelly> amusingly, the screenshot tool thinks the
select thing is its own window
3534 [22:12:44] <EnchanterTim> Every single page I go to online,
that has html select drodowns, rendres thusly.
3535 [22:12:56] <EnchanterTim> So, no I've not tested the
whole darn web, but every page so far..
3536 [22:12:58] <greycat> It probably is.
3537 [22:13:00] <EnchanterTim> it's not working. please stop
aggraving me.
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3539 [22:13:33] <jelly> EnchanterTim: so with that in mind, can
you try using a different wm?
3540 [22:13:39] <EnchanterTim> sure.
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3542 [22:13:50] <EnchanterTim> I'm despeate. I'll try
all suggestions. I've nothing to lose.
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3544 [22:14:08] <EnchanterTim> which wm would you like me to try?
3545 [22:14:09] <greycat> I would also look into extensions, or
whatever they're called under Chromium. Anything that allows
you to, for example, declare your own custom CSS that would
universally apply to an HTML element.
3546 [22:14:14] <EnchanterTim> no extentions
3547 [22:14:15] <EnchanterTim> no profiles
3548 [22:14:17] <snow__> how do i change write premission on a
folder only?
3549 [22:14:21] <EnchanterTim> no configs, all default as it is in
debian.
3550 [22:14:29] <greycat> snow__: chmod and chown and chgrp
3551 [22:14:31] <brw> s/folder/directory
3552 [22:14:32] <brw> heh
3553 [22:14:34] <EnchanterTim> install 9.3, install xorg, install
chromium, install xmonad, and this.
3554 [22:14:48] <snow__> brw?
3555 [22:14:49] <EnchanterTim> There is absolutley no
config/custom/addon/extentions, anything
3556 [22:14:50] <EnchanterTim> at all.
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3560 [22:15:07] <brw> snow__: nevermind. It was a joke/discussion
from yesterday
3561 [22:15:10] <d3b14nL0v3r> Jelly: even tho I was a bit lazy to
rtfm, I googled a little and fixed the warnings I got from apt-get
update and so on (apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade) til the
point the dist-upgrade complained of nothing. Perhaps it was a file
that I answered "yes" when asked for substitution, where
the default option was to keep the old one. I'm just guessing.
How do I control the boot, is there a com
3562 [22:15:10] <d3b14nL0v3r> bination of keys? Here is a screen
shot as you asked:
replaced-url
3563 [22:15:23] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: Do they work in
firefox?
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3566 [22:16:48] <jelly> EnchanterTim: try a stupid wm like fvwm2
or wm2 or twm or whatever but xmonad
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3569 [22:17:01] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: Understand that this
is not a common, well-known problem we have a quick answer for,
we're trying to get enough info to figure out what's
misconfigured on your system.
3570 [22:17:06] <jelly> EnchanterTim: this was my "window
under cursor" screenshot:
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3573 [22:17:13] <EnchanterTim>
replaced-url
3574 [22:17:15] <snow__> im trying to copy a file to my sda5 mount
but it says read-only, how do i chnage it?
3575 [22:17:31] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: A simple yes/no would
work.
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3578 [22:17:42] <EnchanterTim> Well, pic speaks a thousand wrods.
3579 [22:17:48] <EnchanterTim> seemingly , 1k words are requried.
3580 [22:17:55] <EnchanterTim> hangon jelly
3581 [22:18:05] <EnchanterTim> gonna try icewm?
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3583 [22:18:15] <jelly> that's chrome not chromium but...
3584 [22:18:18] <EnchanterTim> i'll try fv too, np
3585 [22:18:24] <EnchanterTim> what's chrome?
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3589 [22:19:12] <jelly> Google's browser.
3590 [22:19:19] <jhutchins_wk> Is he using chromium?
3591 [22:19:24] <greycat> He did say chromium.
3592 [22:19:27] <jelly> Tim is yes.
3593 [22:19:31] <jhutchins_wk> Ah. I tested chrome.
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3595 [22:19:43] <EnchanterTim> funny thign, it does the same thing
in google browswers too. I've tried google chrome stable,
unstable, and beta in addition to the chromium debian browser. Same
result.
3596 [22:19:53] <EnchanterTim> All chromium browsers do the same
thing. Firefox does not
3597 [22:20:00] <jelly> chromium lags in security fixes. I'm
not starting that until Debian catches up.
3598 [22:20:00] <EnchanterTim> icewm is installed, gonna test it
in there now.
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3600 [22:20:13] <EnchanterTim> Oh?
3601 [22:20:20] <jelly> I mean right now, not usually
3602 [22:20:22] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: google chrome on xfce
renders correctly.
3603 [22:20:29] <EnchanterTim> Yeah, that's so wild.
3604 [22:20:36] <jelly> xfce has its own xfwm
3605 [22:20:40] <jelly> 4
3606 [22:20:47] <EnchanterTim> I'm sure it can't be such
a huge bug otherwise it wouldn't have moved to stable.
3607 [22:20:49] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: ANother thing to test
is try creating a new user and see if that user has the same
problems.
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3609 [22:20:58] <EnchanterTim> Just happening tome, lol. The
Universe hates me.
3610 [22:21:06] <jelly> EnchanterTim: bet you $2 it's xmonad
3611 [22:21:08] <EnchanterTim> jhutchins_wk: did that, same
result.
3612 [22:21:10] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: Yeah, and we'd
definitely have heard about it before here.
3613 [22:21:18] <EnchanterTim> jelly: let's find out.
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3615 [22:21:27] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: So new user
doesn't render. System level problem.
3616 [22:21:31] <EnchanterTim> jelly: can I start icewm --repace
or what do you recommend to start the new wm?
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3618 [22:21:38] <jelly> log in anew
3619 [22:21:46] <EnchanterTim> jhutchins_wk: yessir, I abstracted
away from user configs.
3620 [22:21:50] <EnchanterTim> ok hang on
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3622 [22:22:01] <jelly> choosing icewm as session
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3624 [22:22:16] <jelly> (assuming you have a *DM login screen. and
not startx)
3625 [22:22:19] * jhutchins_wk goes back to using lynx...
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3627 [22:23:00] <greycat> I'm still leaning toward a browser
extension over a WM misconfiguration.
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3631 [22:23:17] <EnchanterTim> jelly: I did update-alternatives
--config x-window-system ro something and set icewm as the default,
and then I did startx and now it still starts xmonad.
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3633 [22:23:28] <greycat> Maybe try running the browser in a clean
"profile" or whatever those things are called.
3634 [22:23:29] <EnchanterTim> I think that's because ...
hmm. probably my .xresourcesrc
3635 [22:23:30] <EnchanterTim> hang on
3636 [22:23:33] <EnchanterTim> damnit.
3637 [22:23:57] <jelly> we did try a fresh user a couple hours
back.
3638 [22:24:08] <greycat> ah, didn't know there was a history
going that far back
3639 [22:24:20] <jelly> One assumes a "fresh user" does
not mean "oh I copied my .Xdefaults in there"
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3643 [22:24:57] <jhutchins_wk> Have we run the browser in a
terminal to see if it's throwing errors?
3644 [22:25:06] <EnchanterTim> jelly: yes!
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3646 [22:25:08] <EnchanterTim> omg!
3647 [22:25:15] <jelly> right
3648 [22:25:17] <EnchanterTim> What the ever living fuck.
3649 [22:25:20] <EnchanterTim> Why xmonad did this?
3650 [22:25:28] <EnchanterTim> I used it for years on jessie, no
problems like this
3651 [22:25:53] <EnchanterTim> html dropdown renders now.
3652 [22:25:55] <jelly> I would NEVER even think of that if
kde's screenshot did not think that tiny modal thing was its
own window
3653 [22:25:57] <EnchanterTim> \o/
3654 [22:26:14] <EnchanterTim> That's ... sharp,m an. good
stuff.
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3656 [22:26:32] <EnchanterTim> I just wonder why it is happening
in xmonad now but nto in jessie's xmoand, could chrome have
been upated to display thigns diff?
3657 [22:26:37] <EnchanterTim> and it breaks working with xmonad?
3658 [22:26:44] <EnchanterTim> may we look for a possible
workaround/fix?
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3662 [22:27:19] <jelly> probably something subtly different in X
server or chromium having more features available and doing
seomthing a bit different
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3664 [22:27:27] <mindcrimes> hi
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3666 [22:27:41] <EnchanterTim> Man. Damn. I gotta have Xmonad. I
can't use anythign else! :(
3667 [22:27:48] <mindcrimes> is there a way to have ssh cert auth
only for 1 user?
3668 [22:28:06] <EnchanterTim> suyre
3669 [22:28:11] <mindcrimes> how
3670 [22:28:13] <EnchanterTim> you will still have to keep
passwordlogins enabled.
3671 [22:28:18] <EnchanterTim> so it beats the secure aspect in a
sense.
3672 [22:28:23] <EnchanterTim> why do you need to do this?
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3674 [22:28:37] <mindcrimes> jw lol
3675 [22:28:42] <EnchanterTim> just setup a ssh-keygen -t rsa,
ssh-copy-id to coyp it ot the server
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3677 [22:28:47] <EnchanterTim> keep password logins on.
3678 [22:28:52] <EnchanterTim> then whoever has a key will not
need a pass
3679 [22:28:56] <EnchanterTim> who does nto have key will.
3680 [22:28:57] <jelly> mindcrimes: stupid way: prevent all other
users from adding to their $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys{,2}
3681 [22:29:23] <jelly> mindcrimes: smarter way: use differential
configuration in sshd_config for different groups
3682 [22:29:25] <EnchanterTim> who does nto have key, will.
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3684 [22:29:36] <EnchanterTim> Lack of comma totally changes the
sentence.
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3687 [22:30:36] <jelly> but immutable authorized_keys would be
such a puzzle :-)
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3692 [22:32:38] <EnchanterTim> looks like I need to bug the xmonad
guys?
3693 [22:32:53] <EnchanterTim> This is a really bizzare thing.
People on debian stable should be able to use xmonad + chromium out
the box!
3694 [22:32:58] <EnchanterTim> come on linux, it's 2019
3695 [22:33:00] <EnchanterTim> 8
3696 [22:33:03] <EnchanterTim> Just work already!
3697 [22:33:20] <d3b14nL0v3r> jelly: I found this webpage, but my
boot goes straight from refind and doesn't show the grub menu.
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3698 [22:33:21] <jelly> the new "window" is possibly
behind the browser
3699 [22:33:42] <EnchanterTim> well, anytime a new
'window' is creaed, xmonad auto tils it, and I see it
3700 [22:33:44] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: I have no idea how rEFInd
boot process works, sorry
3701 [22:33:48] <EnchanterTim> I can't miss any windows.
3702 [22:33:55] <EnchanterTim> I see very darn window, it's a
curse.
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3704 [22:34:00] <EnchanterTim> every*
3705 [22:34:40] <EnchanterTim> And my default layout isn't
fullscreen either.
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3708 [22:35:12] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: I would suggest you
search the bugreport base, and check the xmonad bug tracking system
as well.
3709 [22:35:13] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: in general, you'd find
some way to edit the kernel command line, make sure there's no
"quiet" in there, boot and see where things stop. If you
can't you can still see where things hang but there will be a
lot less info
3710 [22:35:25] <EnchanterTim> *nod*
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3712 [22:35:30] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: While this isn't
a common problem in Debian, there may be someone else who's hit
it.
3713 [22:35:38] <EnchanterTim> I hope so.
3714 [22:35:49] <jelly> EnchanterTim: so teach xmonad not to tile
these particular windowses somehow
3715 [22:35:52] <EnchanterTim> I would very much like to never
give up debian, or xmonad, or ... well. I'm browswer agnostic.
3716 [22:35:58] <jhutchins_wk> EnchanterTim: xmonad isn't
heavily modified by Debian afik, so it's likely to be upstream
in either xmonad or chrome.
3717 [22:36:01] <EnchanterTim> I just can't give up
deb/xmonad
3718 [22:36:16] <EnchanterTim> jelly: why?
3719 [22:36:26] <EnchanterTim> jelly: perhaps we didn't
understand each other.
3720 [22:36:36] <jelly> because you want to see the
<select>s?
3721 [22:36:39] <EnchanterTim> jelly: the current xmonad config,
no windows go into background. I see them all.
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3723 [22:37:05] <EnchanterTim> every single window created in
xmonad gets tiled. I see it. So I can't miss any windows or
have them automatically hid eint he back behind other windows
3724 [22:37:18] <jelly> EnchanterTim: except it apparently does
something with windows that chromium opens to show those
<select> options
3725 [22:37:29] <EnchanterTim> so if a window was created which
was 'behind' the main browser window, xmonad would tile
and I would see it
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3727 [22:37:56] <EnchanterTim> But perhaps my understanding of
what a 'window' is ...
3728 [22:38:04] <EnchanterTim> I need to look more into xmonad.
3729 [22:38:14] <EnchanterTim> What other tiling wm do you guys
like to use?
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3731 [22:38:35] <jelly> EnchanterTim: well, this is a separate
window:
replaced-url
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3734 [22:38:58] <jelly> and your wm does something to it.
3735 [22:39:02] <EnchanterTim> Doesn't seem to be something
counted in xmonad as a 'window'.
3736 [22:39:12] <EnchanterTim> if it was, it would get auto tiled.
3737 [22:39:14] <jelly> your wm does something to it.
3738 [22:39:20] <EnchanterTim> just dunno what!
3739 [22:39:23] <jelly> right
3740 [22:39:25] <EnchanterTim> The plot thickens!
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3746 [22:41:50] <EnchanterTim> Yeah, icewm is a disaster, I have
to use a mouse! it doens't manage windows, it makes ME a window
manager.
3747 [22:42:07] <EnchanterTim> I don't want to manage
windows. I really don't.
3748 [22:42:15] <EnchanterTim> I hate dragging, sizing, placing,
etc. etc.
3749 [22:42:27] <EnchanterTim> Why, lord, why! \o/
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3752 [22:43:06] <EnchanterTim> Got links prepared, gonna type up
the scenario in text editor or #xmonad people.
3753 [22:43:09] <jelly> there's a number of tiling wms. Might
be interesting to try downgrading just xmonad to the version from
jessie
3754 [22:43:22] <EnchanterTim> ok, hang on
3755 [22:43:30] <EnchanterTim> let me add a jessie source and do
-t install
3756 [22:44:06] <EnchanterTim> omg i hate mouse. I hate it. I
just.. ugh.
3757 [22:44:11] <jelly> don't think that would fix things,
the issue is probably triggered by something else
3758 [22:44:12] <EnchanterTim> *sigh* I need a minute, guys.'
3759 [22:44:14] <tugrik> I use Xmonad myself ( but on arch, not
debian ), I hear good things about Awesome
3760 [22:44:15] <Tehrabbitt> Curious, is there any *easy* way to
clone an Apache2 install from one server to another?
3761 [22:44:16] <EnchanterTim> I'm a little irked.
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3763 [22:44:20] <Tehrabbitt> as in the modules / configs?
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3765 [22:44:30] <jelly> I don't like mice, but a trackpoint
is fine
3766 [22:44:38] <greycat> Tehrabbitt: should be mostly in
/etc/apache2/
3767 [22:44:43] <jelly> don't have to move off the keyboard
3768 [22:44:44] <EnchanterTim> Tehrabbitt: I keep my configs in
git
3769 [22:44:50] <Tehrabbitt> I realize I can just SCP over the
sites-available, and then enable the ones I want, but what about the
modules? is there an easy way to just export all available modules /
reimport them on the other system?
3770 [22:44:52] <EnchanterTim> Tehrabbitt: I spin a new server,
just pull from git i
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3772 [22:44:58] <greycat> Tehrabbitt: assuming you've already
duplicated the set of installed packages
3773 [22:45:04] <EnchanterTim> Tehrabbitt: I add selected files in
/etc/ where I start a git repo.
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3775 [22:45:09] <Tehrabbitt> greycat: yeah, but what about the
symlinks in sites-enabled?
3776 [22:45:14] <EnchanterTim> It's not safe to add security
critical stuff
3777 [22:45:19] <Tehrabbitt> greycat: i'm using apt-clone
3778 [22:45:23] <d3b14nL0v3r> jelly: now I learned to edit the
kernel options in refind, but it doesn't show any
"silent".
3779 [22:45:27] <greycat> those are part of /etc/apache2/ and if
you copied that, then your copy would include those symlinks
3780 [22:45:31] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: quiet
3781 [22:45:35] <Tehrabbitt> hmmmmm okay
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3783 [22:45:41] <EnchanterTim> but I always start a new git repo
in /etc/ and I always add nginx/apache/other configs I can't
live w/o. Then on new system install, I just go and pull from git.
3784 [22:45:43] <d3b14nL0v3r> Or quiet.
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3787 [22:46:03] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: then you don't have to
disable it, yay. So just show how the boot process hangs.
3788 [22:46:07] <EnchanterTim> I should be using config management
systems
3789 [22:46:11] <EnchanterTim> puppet or ansible playbooks.
3790 [22:46:20] <EnchanterTim> Or with debian, preseed an install.
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3792 [22:46:23] <Tehrabbitt> greycat: hm... good point... so just
scp the entire /etc/apache2/ directory over?
3793 [22:46:32] <greycat> rsync would be my choice
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3795 [22:46:39] <jelly> Tehrabbitt: if it's the same debian
release, sure
3796 [22:46:54] <jelly> scp fails with symlinks
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3798 [22:47:10] <jelly> scp fails with shell escaping
3799 [22:47:13] <Tehrabbitt> jelly: yes, debian 9 in both places.
source is in-house VMWare server, run an apt-clone and then
apt-clone restore on the destination.
3800 [22:47:14] <jelly> avoid scp.
3801 [22:47:25] <Tehrabbitt> the destination is an official AWS
AMI
3802 [22:47:28] <Tehrabbitt> Debian 9
3803 [22:47:31] <d3b14nL0v3r> I sent you a pic. Here it is:
replaced-url
3804 [22:47:46] <Tehrabbitt> jelly: so rsync would be the better
option to maintain symlinks?
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3806 [22:48:55] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: corrupted pagetable? that
kernel is either very buggy on your hardware, or your hardware is
having issues
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3808 [22:49:11] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: is there a different kernel
to choose
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3812 [22:50:05] <d3b14nL0v3r> jelly: Yes, there is. I'll try
it.
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3814 [22:50:31] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: also, the kernel in the
screenshot is 3.16.0-5-amd64 from jessie
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3817 [22:51:22] <d3b14nL0v3r> ...so the upgrade did not upgrade
the kernel! :-(
3818 [22:51:44] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: or you're not booting
the right one, or the upgrade process isn't complete
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3820 [22:51:58] <greycat> A dist-upgrade doesn't *remove* the
old kernel, so you can still choose to boot the old one.
3821 [22:52:33] <EnchanterTim> Installed xmonad from jessie, same
thing in chrome/chromium. I thought, perhaps I should get chromium
from jessie too. I tired it, same thing. Same result in rendering
select list.
3822 [22:52:38] <EnchanterTim> *sigh*
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3831 [22:59:25] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: did you also do a firmware
update recently? Maybe you got intel's cpu microcode updates
that make things unstable and crashy.
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3836 [23:01:23] <apollo13> isn't most of the microcode stuff
reverted by now anyways?
3837 [23:01:24] <jelly> "dist-upgrade" is so overloaded
a term, I use "release upgrade" for that process because
apt-get.
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3839 [23:02:18] <jelly> apollo13: if someone applied it to their
BIOS they'd have to apply an older version manually
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3842 [23:02:39] <apollo13> Ah, I was refering to the
intel-microcode packages
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3845 [23:02:59] <jelly> those never arrived in stretch AFAIUI
3846 [23:03:00] <apollo13> fwiw my BIOS doesn't allow
downgrades XD
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3849 [23:03:19] <apollo13> which seems to be the case for many
BIOS variants with those fixes applied
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3854 [23:04:27] <jelly> ,v intel-microcode
3855 [23:04:28] <judd> Package: intel-microcode on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports/non-free:
3.20170511.1~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb8u1;
stretch/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1;
jessie-backports-sloppy/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo8+1;
stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free:
3856 [23:04:29] <judd> 3.20180108.1+really20171117.1;
sid/non-free: 3.20180108.1+really20171117.1
3857 [23:05:22] <jelly> right, so that ~really downgrade is only
(needed and) present in testing and unstable
3858 [23:05:40] <jelly> +really
3859 [23:05:46] <d3b14nL0v3r> No, I never made a firmware upgrade.
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3861 [23:06:10] <jelly> then you seem to have an actual bug on
your hands
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3863 [23:06:42] <d3b14nL0v3r> I'm trying the new kernel and
it sticks here:
replaced-url
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3867 [23:07:40] <jelly> d3b14nL0v3r: does pressing enter a couple
times scroll the screen a bit?
3868 [23:07:59] <d3b14nL0v3r> Nothing.
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3870 [23:08:13] <jelly> is that a 4.9 kernel?
3871 [23:08:29] <d3b14nL0v3r> Let me see.
3872 [23:08:31] <jelly> without quiet? :-)
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3875 [23:09:34] <annadane> shh
3876 [23:10:26] <d3b14nL0v3r> jelly: it's a 4.9.0-5-amd64
withot "quiet".
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3878 [23:11:36] <d3b14nL0v3r> Now I can boot in single user mode
and that gives me a root terminal, if it helps.
3879 [23:12:04] <greycat> Yay!
3880 [23:12:21] <d3b14nL0v3r> But I don't have a clue of
which command could be helpful.
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3888 [23:14:53] <theguyfromthebus> netstat -atunp | grep Rust
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3890 [23:15:14] <theguyfromthebus> tcp 0 0 192.99.56.111:40890
104.23.140.18:443 ESTABLISHED 1703/./RustDedicate
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3892 [23:15:49] <theguyfromthebus> My problem is that the ip
address is right "192.99.56.111" however the port is not.
It should be 28016
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3895 [23:16:02] <theguyfromthebus> and I don't know
what's the second ip address
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3897 [23:16:14] <greycat> one is you, one is the other side
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3899 [23:16:30] <Tom-__> and :443 is HTTP SSL
3900 [23:17:18] <theguyfromthebus> I can't rcon to this ip
address. I'm using the same config on a different VPS and it
works there
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3905 [23:18:49] <theguyfromthebus> This is on the other VPS with
the same distro
3906 [23:18:51] <theguyfromthebus> tcp 0 0 165.227.187.143:28016
0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 8303/./RustDedicate
3907 [23:18:56] <greycat> If 192.99.56.111 is you, then your
RustDedicate* program is (probably) making an outgoing HTTPS
connection.
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3909 [23:18:57] <GNU\colossus> 40890 is not a passive/listening
socket. it's a socket bound to an ephemeral port.
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3913 [23:19:39] <GNU\colossus> you want `ss -nlpt | grep
RustDedicate` to find out where a listener of that process is
waiting for inbound connection attempts
3914 [23:19:42] <greycat> If 104.23.140.18 is you, then your
RustDedicate* program is probably acting as an HTTPS web server and
someone is connecting TO you.
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3917 [23:20:09] <GNU\colossus> that's probably some kind of
multiplayer game server
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3919 [23:20:22] <theguyfromthebus> yes, it's a multiplayer
server
3920 [23:20:24] <GNU\colossus> (guessed from application name and
port number)
3921 [23:20:39] <theguyfromthebus> on the second VPS it works as
it should
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3923 [23:20:57] <theguyfromthebus> the first one doesn't want
to liston on the 28016 port for some reason
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3925 [23:21:10] <greycat> What error message does it give when you
try?
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3927 [23:21:13] <GNU\colossus> the application can tell you why
it's failing
3928 [23:21:16] <elios> test
3929 [23:21:25] <theguyfromthebus> nothing it says can't
connect
3930 [23:21:34] <greycat> !exact
3931 [23:21:34] <dpkg> Please tell us exactly what you typed, and
exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like
replaced-url
3932 [23:21:58] <greycat> "can't connect" is not a
string I would expect on a failure to bind to a LISTENING socket
3933 [23:22:12] <theguyfromthebus> I'm using a web based rcon
to connect to the server
3934 [23:22:29] <greycat> whatever that means...
3935 [23:23:05] <theguyfromthebus>
replaced-url
3936 [23:23:44] <greycat> if it's some kind of reverse
tunnel, then why would you think your end would be bound to a
specific port, and why would you care?
3937 [23:24:08] <greycat> Or find a support channel that
understands this "rcon" thing.
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3939 [23:25:53] <Tehrabbitt> hmmm so yeah, I can't get it to
work...
3940 [23:25:54] <Tehrabbitt> rsync --delete -auvvvvvze 'ssh
-o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i ${KEYFILE}' --progress
/etc/apache2 ${RUSER}@${HOST}:/tmp/.
3941 [23:26:06] <Tehrabbitt> where keyfile, ruser, and host, are
variables I pass in
3942 [23:26:16] <Tehrabbitt> which seem to be what's
breaking.
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3944 [23:26:24] <Tehrabbitt> I'm sure i'm not escaping
it properly or such :\
3945 [23:26:25] <greycat> you probably want double quotes instead
of single quotes, so $KEYFILE can be expanded
3946 [23:26:30] <Tehrabbitt> ahhhh
3947 [23:26:36] <Tehrabbitt> it's been a long day -_-
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3950 [23:28:21] <Tehrabbitt> greycat: so if I wanted to actually
copy it to /etc/apache2 on the destination server using the above
command... but it required me to do it via sudo (since i'm not
using root)... how would I add a sudo into that
3951 [23:28:27] <Tehrabbitt> before the ssh?
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3953 [23:28:46] <Tehrabbitt> rsync --delete -auvvvvvze "sudo
ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i ${KEYFILE}" --progress
/etc/apache2 ${RUSER}@${HOST}:/tmp/.
3954 [23:28:58] <greycat> You definitely need to be root on the
target, so you can write. You may be able to get away with non-root
on the source, if the directories and files are world-readable.
3955 [23:28:58] <deepfreez> Hi, I want to run a script after the
OS is loaded...
replaced-url
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3960 [23:30:39] <Tehrabbitt> greycat: root user is disabled on the
destination for security... everything else i've been doing via
sudo.
3961 [23:30:55] <greycat> "root" can be sudo or su or
whatever, doesn't matter
3962 [23:30:55] <Tehrabbitt> bigger concern, is how do I tell
rsync to *replace* the entire directory there?
3963 [23:31:03] <Tehrabbitt> or do I need to remove it first, and
then rsync it?
3964 [23:31:10] <greycat> rsync will overwrite by default
3965 [23:31:25] <Tehrabbitt> greycat: but won't delete files
that aren't in the source?
3966 [23:31:33] <greycat> if you also need it to delete
pre-existing files that are not part of the source, then see
"man rsync" and look at the dozen different --delete*
options.
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3968 [23:31:51] <Tehrabbitt> aka if source has A, C, D, E and Dest
has B, D, E I want the Destination to only contain A, C, D, E and
remove B
3969 [23:31:59] <greycat> or you could do it the easy way and rm
the destination first
3970 [23:32:07] <Tehrabbitt> that's what i'm thinking
heh
3971 [23:32:15] <Tehrabbitt> less likely to have messed up stuff
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3980 [23:33:58] <Tehrabbitt> greycat: yeah, not working even with
adding sudo :(
3981 [23:33:59] <Tehrabbitt> ugh
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3983 [23:34:20] <Tehrabbitt> one option is to copy to /tmp and
then on the dest have it mv to the /etc from /tmp
3984 [23:34:26] <greycat> "sudo -i" to get a shell as
root, then just do it
3985 [23:34:32] <Tehrabbitt> hm
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3987 [23:35:32] <Tehrabbitt> greycat: nope :( rsync: mkdir
"/etc/apache2" failed: Permission denied (13)
3988 [23:35:56] <Tehrabbitt> rsync --delete -auvvvze "sudo -i
ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i ${KEYFILE}" --progress
/etc/apache2 ${RUSER}@${HOST}:/etc/apache2
3989 [23:36:15] <greycat> Be root on the destination. So you can
create /etc/apache2/ and so on.
3990 [23:36:58] <greycat> If dest cannot connect directly to src,
make an intermediate copy somewhere that dest CAN connect to.
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3992 [23:37:05] <Tehrabbitt> hmmm
3993 [23:37:11] <Tehrabbitt> so /tmp basically
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3995 [23:37:24] <Tehrabbitt> and then just do a mv?
3996 [23:37:28] <greycat> If that's what it takes. This is a
one-time thing so it doesn't matter how efficient it is.
3997 [23:37:50] <Tehrabbitt> greycat: well... technically i'm
trying to automate this so that I can do this once per month.
3998 [23:37:55] <greycat> *sigh*
3999 [23:37:56] <greycat> I"m out
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4008 [23:41:37] <karlpinc> Tehrabbitt: My preference is to use a
key pair to authenticate rsync's ssh connection. Then on the
remote end you use "command="rsync --server --daemon
."" in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys, which runs the remote
end of rsync. And you set /etc/ssh/sshd_config so that root can
login, but only when a password is _not_ used.
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4014 [23:42:50] <karlpinc> Tehrabbitt: But I'm not really
paying attention to your circumstances so take it for what it's
worth.
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4016 [23:43:50] <Tehrabbitt> karlpinc: yeah, I thought of doing
that, but our policy is to just not enable the root user under *any*
circumstance. especially anything externally facing... basically
what i'm doing is I have a template on AWS along with a script
that auto-deploys an EC2 image from that AMI. the key is known, so
Using Jenkins, i'm running a script local on the
"in-house" server, which then generates an apt-clone
output (scp'd over to the serve
4017 [23:44:00] <Tehrabbitt> then i'm trying to copy the
contents of /etc/apache over to the destination server as well.
4018 [23:44:41] <Tehrabbitt> then ocne it's over there,
simple script runs to apt-clone restore that bundle... and then
reboot the destination server after...
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4020 [23:45:31] <Tehrabbitt> problem is, I have a restricted user
on the destination box with a single .pem file for it. that user has
sudo rights, but I can't rsync directly to /etc/apache2
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4024 [23:46:15] <Tehrabbitt> so I was thinking of rsyncing to
/tmp/apache2 and then using "mv" to move it over to /etc/
from /tmp/
4025 [23:46:21] <Tehrabbitt> but i'm not sure if that'll
actually work
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