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11 [00:07:07] <jhutchins> !locale
12 [00:07:07] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting
information to humans according to local conventions (date format,
thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales>
to establish on a Debian system.
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21 [00:11:28] <cheapie> I find it rather amusing when Debian
asks me if I want to install GRUB to the EFI removable media path on
computers that don't have UEFI :P
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25 [00:11:46] <cheapie> I mean, it's a Pentium III... you
don't normally see a Pentium III and UEFI in the same system.
26 [00:11:57] <Zew> nope
27 [00:12:01] <Zew> BIOS
28 [00:12:12] <cheapie> Exactly, it's a legacy BIOS system.
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33 [00:13:03] <cheapie> Maybe using GPT is what triggers that
question. I dunno.
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35 [00:13:28] <Zew> you need EUFI to use GPT discs? maybe
36 [00:13:42] <cheapie> No, Linux boots from GPT just fine
without UEFI.
37 [00:13:51] <Zew> mhm
38 [00:13:53] <cheapie> The whole "you need UEFI to boot
from GPT" thing is a Windows limitation.
39 [00:13:58] <Zew> ah
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44 [00:15:51] <cheapie> You do need to have a biosgrub partition
to boot from GPT on a non-UEFI system, but that's actually a
lot less of an ugly hack than GRUB on MBR disks tends to be.
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47 [00:16:24] <Zew> Whats so bad with MBR
48 [00:17:02] <cheapie> Lots of limitations (2TB, 4 primary
partitions, etc.) and the process of GRUB loading from it is...
strange.
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50 [00:17:22] <Zew> didn't think on that leacy system any
of that would be a problem lol
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55 [00:17:47] <cheapie> It's not on something that old, no,
but there's no harm in using GPT either.
56 [00:17:47] <Zew> does it even have a bus to handle a drive
lager than 2TB?
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59 [00:18:49] <cheapie> Yes, you could use a PATA-to-SATA
adapter to connect a SATA hard drive to it. The BIOS likely
won't detect anything that large properly, but it doesn't
really need to as long as you can fit a /boot partition within what
it *can* see.
60 [00:18:57] <cheapie> Once Linux starts up, it should be able
to see the rest.
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62 [00:19:18] <Zew> intersesting
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64 [00:20:05] <trysten> so i'm using davfs2 to mount some
directories on my hosting provider. When I edit the files with vim
it leavs behind many swap files like .swz and .swo~ and stuff. Any
idea what's going on?
65 [00:20:07] <cheapie> If the BIOS just outright fails to
detect the drive at all (freezes, 0MB, whatever) then you can
probably do some HPA trickery.
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71 [00:21:14] <RoyK> trysten: vim usually does that if it's
interrupted
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77 [00:24:38] <RoyK> trysten: how did you quit vim? not with
ctrl+z?
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87 [00:30:08] <trysten> RoyK: just my usual :wq
88 [00:30:20] <trysten> Sometimes vim warns me that the file has
changed since opening
89 [00:30:53] <RoyK> which file was this?
90 [00:31:14] <RoyK> some programs edit their config files
themselves
91 [00:31:29] <RoyK> and some systems get hacked…
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95 [00:32:35] <trysten> Hehe ouch
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101 [00:35:00] <RoyK> trysten: if you think you've been
hacked, change passwords and reinstall
102 [00:35:13] <RoyK> you never know what whoever left there
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104 [00:35:45] <trysten> Well i was complaining about .htaccess
and you made a good point so i just tested it on a new index.html
and I get the same behavior. Vim is quitting gracefully. This is
what it might look like after i create index.html with vim and write
the contents "hello world" with :wq
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105 [00:35:57] <RoyK> but then - usually there's a logical
explaination unless it's some file that won't be altered
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107 [00:36:40] <trysten> I'm not considering a security
breach at this time. I think it's something to do with davfs
caching and my lack of understanding
108 [00:37:12] <trysten> Maybe davfs2 is introducing some latency
that's confusing vim?
109 [00:37:29] <RoyK> possibly - never used it
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111 [00:37:59] <RoyK> but I guess your guess is closer than a
hacker
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115 [00:39:03] <RoyK> trysten: try to talk to the davfs2 guys -
there's usually a mailing list
116 [00:39:53] <RoyK> trysten: or an irc channel, perhaps
117 [00:40:25] <RoyK> not that I could find one
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139 [00:54:36] <trysten> Thanks for help RoyK :)
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141 [00:58:31] <cheapie> Well, that took forever... but it's
up and running :P
142 [00:59:01] <cheapie> Apparently GRUB doesn't get along
with the video chip in this thing, but extlinux does.
143 [00:59:28] <cheapie> I don't have X running *yet*, but
I'm able to boot and log in in text mode now.
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146 [01:01:54] <cheapie> Also I can do the rest of the config
over SSH. Much nicer :P
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157 [01:08:38] <yans> y0!
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181 [01:23:14] <trysten> Here's a good example of all the
files i'm getting using vim on a davfs2 mount. In case anyone
is curious:
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182 [01:23:25] <shellclear> hi, there is a way to use onyl
discrete gpu in a optimus system with proprietary drivers?
183 [01:26:55] <trysten> shellclear:
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185 [01:28:39] <shellclear> trysten: I already use bumblebee but
I need to switch graphic card everytime usingg optirun command. I
would like to use only discret card or if it is not possible to use
discrete gpu as primary and intel as secondary
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188 [01:31:48] <Zew> cheapie: nice
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193 [01:37:52] <trysten> shellclear: option 1: add optirun to
your .desktop files so your commonly used apps launch properly
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198 [01:42:40] <trysten> shellclear: option 2: disable the IGA or
reverse PRIME
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205 [01:44:42] <shellclear> Okay, lets google :D
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207 [01:46:12] <trysten> shellclear left too soon. Someone give
them this link if they come back:
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214 [01:53:19] <phogg> trysten: he's still logged on; you
could /msg
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222 [01:58:41] <trysten> thanks phogg
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224 [01:59:18] <phogg> trysten: and actually meanwhile here he is
225 [02:00:10] <trysten> perhaps drawn by my /msg
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230 [02:01:23] <phogg> trysten: no, he actually joined just as I
first talked to you. I just failed to notice.
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249 [02:26:24] <galaxie> So, I was trying to uninstall
apache2-bin from my local Debian 9 installation, and I believe I
accidentally typed Ctrl-B X and killed the tmux pane while it was
uninstalling roundcube-core. Now things are in a bit of an unstable
state.
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251 [02:27:44] <galaxie> I've tried sudo apt --fix-broken
install and stuff, but things keep on getting locked down and the
sudo process isn't even running anymore!
252 [02:27:57] <maxtim> hey ya'll. I'm doing a fresh
install of of debian for a plexmedia server and maybe an apche web
server. what's a reasonable partition size for /srv
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260 [02:33:32] <themill> galaxie: can you pastebin the command
and output for us? (paste.debian.net)
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269 [02:45:42] <galaxie> themill: I believe I fixed it by
reinstalling apache2-bin, thanks.
270 [02:46:02] <themill> :)
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272 [02:47:29] <karlpinc> maxtim: /srv is all about your data, so
it's kinda up to you.
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276 [02:51:18] <GnuLinuxCat> Hello everyone :) I am new to
Debian. I downloaded the .iso image and it's SHA512SUMS files.
I am trying to verify them but I can't seem to import the right
public key.
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277 [02:51:27] <GnuLinuxCat> How do I know what is the right key
to retrieve from keyring.debian.org to verify the .iso image?
278 [02:51:49] <themill> GnuLinuxCat: what OS are you currently
using?
279 [02:52:31] <themill> (they keys used are listed at
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280 [02:52:34] <GnuLinuxCat> Trisquel 8. It's based on
ubuntu
281 [02:52:45] <themill> you could also install the
debian-keyring package to get them
282 [02:53:09] <themill> !check iso signature
283 [02:53:10] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the
installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes
with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and
SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get
install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg
--keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify
SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
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286 [02:56:21] <GnuLinuxCat> ok ty :)
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317 [03:31:18] <JordiGH> Huh, ghostscript went crazy, eh?
318 [03:31:30] <JordiGH> They're now like AGPL or something?
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351 [03:57:20] <jardiamj> Hi guys! I need some advice. I am going
to install a 250G mSATA ssd drive in my Thinkpad, I looked online
for partition and directory schema recommendations but I
couldn't find anything concrete.
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354 [03:58:37] <jardiamj> right now, I have Debian with Windows
dual boot in this laptop. The only reason I haven gotten rid of
windows is because I use it to update the BIOS every once in a long
while.
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358 [04:00:29] <rwp> jardiamj, If you don't need windows
anymore then the best thing is to remove those partitions freeing up
the entire disk for Debian.
359 [04:00:42] <jardiamj> I don't remember all the
particular but I read somewhere that I could moved my root directory
to a partition in my SSD and make it boot from there.
360 [04:00:55] <rwp> jardiamj, For partitions in Debian... If you
have to ask then it is best for you to have one large partition for
everything.
361 [04:02:14] <jardiamj> I have done partitioning before, in
fact I am using LVM in this laptop.
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363 [04:02:41] <rwp> Well there you go then! :-)
364 [04:02:51] <jardiamj> my confusions comes from reading about
the read and write limitations of SSDs, which is all new to me.
365 [04:03:16] <rwp> My advice is to ignore all of that and
simply treat the SSD as your would any spinning disk before it.
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368 [04:03:46] <jardiamj> so, I guess my question is: what should
I put in the SSD and what in the HDDs?
369 [04:04:17] <rwp> You said laptop. Do you have multiple
storage devices in your laptop? Otherwise we would assume precisely
one storage device.
370 [04:05:13] <jardiamj> I have 2 500G HDDs, and I am going to
install one 250G mSATA SSD
371 [04:05:26] <jardiamj> yes, it is a laptop.
372 [04:05:32] <rwp> In a laptop!? Wow! :-)
373 [04:05:38] <jardiamj> Thinkpad T420.
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375 [04:05:53] <jardiamj> correct.
376 [04:05:55] <rwp> I am typing on a Thinkpad X220 right now.
377 [04:06:26] * toruvinn put his x220 in a closet.
378 [04:06:31] <jardiamj> I replaced the cd rom with a caddy and
installed another hard drive there.
379 [04:06:32] <toruvinn> love that lap but it's a bit too
heavy nowadays
380 [04:06:36] <rwp> You can split up the file system any which
you like. Warning: In the old days people might have split /usr out.
But that is no longer supported. Make sure /usr is on your root
partition.
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382 [04:06:43] <toruvinn> hence on x1 carbon now ;-)
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384 [04:06:48] <jardiamj> and my thinkpad comes with a slot for
an mSATA SSD
385 [04:06:55] <toruvinn> still usable keyboard, but nothing
beats old thinkpads like x220.
386 [04:07:19] <rwp> The x220 is the last of the good classic
keyboards.
387 [04:07:24] <toruvinn> trying to remember how to get fctix
work in Vivaldi (or Chrome)
388 [04:07:54] <rwp> Although I ran into someone IRL the other
day who had removed and replaced the chicklet island keyboard with
the classic older one in his Thinkpad. Which was pretty cool.
389 [04:07:56] <toruvinn> rwp, exactly that's why i have
x220 in my closet ;-) waiting for its time to come, again. fairly
sure that carbon will fail at some point. x220 is indestructible.
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391 [04:08:20] <jardiamj> my T420 is about 10 years old, the only
meh thing is the screen.
392 [04:08:26] <toruvinn> rwp, ah yeah, i've heard about
that. it's not easy though as the, umm, socket is different
iirc
393 [04:08:34] <toruvinn> jardiamj, probably not too meh anyway.
394 [04:09:04] <rwp> jardiamj, You were asking for advice on how
to split a system across 1x 250G SSD + 1x 500G spinning disk. Is
that a good summary?
395 [04:09:10] <jardiamj> besides that, I have 16G of ram in this
thing with 2 hard drives at the moment I'll install the ssd
today.
396 [04:09:41] <toruvinn> that's a pretty huge system if you
need 750GB ;-)
397 [04:10:05] <jardiamj> I think I'll stick to using LVM,
and since I read about a way to update the BIOS without Windows
I'll get rid of that thing.
398 [04:10:07] <rwp> In that case of course putting the root file
system on the SSD makes sense. Putting everything there makes sense.
I would tend to mount the 500G spinning as /data and just use it for
extra stuff. But that is just me.
399 [04:10:25] <toruvinn> rwp, would do the same.
400 [04:10:36] <toruvinn> if you're gonna be coding there,
keep your stuff on SSD.
401 [04:10:42] <toruvinn> spinning disk for, i dunno, movies,
music?
402 [04:10:48] <rwp> These days BIOS updates almost always use a
bootable FreeDOS image.
403 [04:11:02] <rsully> How can I script an install of @zfs-dkms?
When I run "apt install --yes @zfs-dkms" ansible gets
stuck on the license I think
404 [04:11:15] <rsully> s/@zfs/zfs/
405 [04:12:33] <jardiamj> so, I think I got my plan: I'll
install everything in SSD and mount the HDDs as data.
406 [04:12:37] <rwp> Among other things in your script set and
export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
DEBCONF_ADMIN_EMAIL="" UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1 (the things I
do).
407 [04:13:05] <rsully> rwp is part of the issue apt vs apt-get?
408 [04:13:06] <rwp> rsully, I haven't scripted an install
of zfs yet though. Is it using debconf?
409 [04:13:14] <rsully> rwp I am unsure
410 [04:13:39] <jardiamj> Thanks guys!
411 [04:13:40] <rsully> How could I find out
412 [04:13:45] <rwp> I am thinking it is using one of the
interactive dialog routines which should be forced to noninteractive
using DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive. But without that it will get
stuck asking questions.
413 [04:14:22] <rsully> The zfs license thing is just an
"ok"
414 [04:14:23] <jardiamj> @rwp, 1x 250G SSD + 2x 500G spinning
disks.
415 [04:15:01] <rwp> jardiamj, Oh 2x(!) spinning disks. But I
think you had one of those for Microsoft though, right? *Both* for
Debian? Cool!
416 [04:16:07] <rwp> rsully, The way I have handled this before
is by using EDITOR to edit the answer to the question. Example from
the old Sun Java package: list="sun-java6-jre
sun-java6-jdk" setting="shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1"
DEBIAN_FRONTEND=editor EDITOR='perl -pi -e
"s@$setting=.*@$setting=\"yes\"@"' apt-get
-o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew install -y -qq $list
417 [04:16:23] <jardiamj> rwp, I do now have one for MS but since
I am going to get rid of it I'll have both for Debian now.
418 [04:16:39] <jardiamj> or another distro for that matter.
419 [04:16:53] <rwp> You can always put it on a shelf if you want
to restore it later. But of course if that is Vista or 8 then it
should burn in a dumpster fire.
420 [04:18:01] <rwp> rsully, The way that works is that
DEBIAN_FRONTEND=editor says to present you with a file in $EDITOR
for selection. I override EDITOR with that perl one-liner to edit
the file as I want instead. In this case to accept the Sun Java
license agreement.
421 [04:18:26] <rwp> rsully, Also imagine that in multiple lines
in a readable script. I put them all on one line for irc because I
didn't feel like creating a paste for it.
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423 [04:18:45] <rsully> rwp sure, understood. But for an
"ok" button how does that work
424 [04:19:24] <rwp> I assume that if you are automating this
that you are planning to do many in the future. And so will need to
do a few test installs yourself ahead of time in preparation.
425 [04:19:36] <rwp> Do a test install with
DEBIAN_FRONTEND=editor and see what the text of the file presented
to you contains.
426 [04:19:49] <jim> do you really want to use sun/orackle java?
there's also the openjdks
427 [04:20:08] <rwp> Then use whatever you feel comfortable with
(perl oneliner in that example) and edit the file non-interactively
to accept it.
428 [04:20:35] <rwp> jim, No. That is a 10+ year old example of
accepting a license agreement that I pulled out of my archive for
the example.
429 [04:20:36] <rsully> rwp automating more just to have it well
documented and to learn how to use ansible better. I don't
expect to actually do this more than a handful of times
430 [04:20:55] <rwp> rsully, That's fine too! Good deal.
431 [04:21:02] <rsully> rwp but yeah I will experiment with it
432 [04:22:37] <rwp> rsully, I should paste it. Here is what it
looked like in the script:
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435 [04:23:44] <rsully> rwp cool, I appreciate it
436 [04:24:03] <rwp> Happy hacking! :-)
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539 [06:17:46] <COOurb> hell0, I need to run script on linux
loading, but I can't install it with update-rc.d
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541 [06:18:04] <COOurb> Where I can check if anything is wrong?
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548 [06:22:11] <well_laid_lawn> COOurb: are you using systemd ?
549 [06:23:11] <COOurb> nope, it's a simple script for
running vpn
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551 [06:24:02] <COOurb> or what you mean?
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588 [07:11:33] <COOurb> so, is it some very hard task?
589 [07:11:46] <COOurb> Because I still can't make it run
590 [07:13:37] <themill> no, but you've not told us anything
about what you've tried or what happened
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593 [07:19:47] <COOurb> I've tried this "update-rc.d
run_vpn defaults". run_vpn is a simple script
594 [07:19:51] <COOurb> and nothing happened
595 [07:20:46] <themill> do /etc/rc*.d/run_vpn now exist?
596 [07:20:57] <COOurb> nope
597 [07:21:15] <themill> and update-rc.d didn't have any
output
598 [07:21:20] <COOurb> I saw some "###BEGIN INIT INFO"
block. I added this block, changed some "dependencies" but
still doesn't work
599 [07:21:27] <COOurb> no output from it
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601 [07:22:15] <themill> Can you pastebin /etc/init.d/run_vpn for
us?
602 [07:22:56] <COOurb> sure
603 [07:23:04] <COOurb> what pastebin should I use?
604 [07:23:11] <themill> paste.debian.net works well
605 [07:23:20] <COOurb> I mean, do you have some "special
only for thgsi channel pastebin custom service"?
606 [07:23:22] <COOurb> ok
607 [07:24:24] <COOurb>
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609 [07:24:45] <COOurb> when I run it from console it works
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614 [07:27:55] <themill> it will need the header info for
update-rc.d to like it
615 [07:28:07] <themill> are you booting with sysvinit or
systemd?
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624 [07:39:41] <COOurb> How can I define it?
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648 [08:06:03] <COOurb> oh well
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658 [08:18:39] <COOurb> themill: dude
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660 [08:22:13] <themill> hmm?
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666 [08:30:44] <COOurb> How can I define do I use sysvinit or
systemd?
667 [08:30:48] <COOurb> I'm kinda noob
668 [08:31:25] <themill> COOurb: what does "ps 1" say?
669 [08:31:36] <themill> (you'd be using systemd if you had
not otherwise tried not to)
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671 [08:32:02] <COOurb> it says /sbin/init
672 [08:32:37] <themill> what does "readlink -f
/sbin/init" say?
673 [08:32:46] <themill> (which release of Debian is this?)
674 [08:33:04] <COOurb> systemd
675 [08:33:08] <COOurb> Stretch
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678 [08:33:39] <themill> Creating a systemd unit to run this
program is a lot easier than writing an init script
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685 [08:36:37] <themill> COOurb: untested --
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686 [08:36:57] <themill> err delete that "Restart" line
687 [08:37:32] <COOurb> ok, will try now
688 [08:38:49] <themill> copy it to
/etc/systemd/system/myvpn.service; systemctl enable myvpn; systemctl
start myvpn
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697 [08:48:00] <COOurb> with what user it starts? Can I specify
it?
698 [08:48:34] <themill> yes, User=foobar; (see
systemd.service(5))
699 [08:48:54] <themill> I would have assumed the vpn needed to
start as root though
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701 [08:49:49] <COOurb> nah, it's kinda wrapper around
OpenVPN with some providers features
702 [08:50:12] <COOurb> So to configure it it uses profiles
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704 [08:50:22] <COOurb> it stores it somewhere
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710 [08:53:31] <COOurb> I can't finde where I should type
User=MyUser
711 [08:53:41] <COOurb> What section?
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724 [09:00:42] <COOurb> yeah, it wants root
725 [09:00:55] <COOurb> But usualy I run it with "sudo"
726 [09:01:12] <COOurb> how can I "impersonate" another
user?
727 [09:02:02] <at0m> COOurb: man sudo > sudo -u $USER
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729 [09:04:14] <COOurb> nope
730 [09:04:29] <COOurb> it asks for root
731 [09:04:48] <at0m> as user, probably. cos you can't just
sudo to any user, unless you're root
732 [09:05:14] <COOurb> When I run it with User=MyUser and sudo
it writes error because it hasn't tty and hasn't password
command
733 [09:05:14] <at0m> so then first "sudo su" to become
root
734 [09:05:28] <at0m> or just su..
735 [09:05:37] <at0m> depends, if you have a root pw set
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738 [09:07:20] <COOurb> ??
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741 [09:07:50] <COOurb> As I said it works when I do "sudo
pvpn -l". But then I must enter the password
742 [09:08:11] <COOurb> So last step (entering password)
can't be done because notty->nopassword
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747 [09:10:00] <at0m> then "sudo -u $USER -s /bin/sh"
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749 [09:10:27] <COOurb> is it ok for Unit file?
750 [09:10:48] <COOurb> I mean, will I heve to enter password?
751 [09:11:33] <at0m> not when you run that as root
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762 [09:16:40] <COOurb> so how I run pvpn next?
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765 [09:20:07] <COOurb> just some errors
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")")
770 [09:24:43] <COOurb> damn, it's harder
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817 [09:55:12] <COOurb> ok, I found all config files, copied them
into root's directory,. Now I can run pvpn with root user
818 [09:55:40] <COOurb> BUT in service case it exits rigth after
finishing connection
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821 [09:56:02] <COOurb> journalctl says that connection properly
established and then just finished
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832 [10:06:49] <no_gravity> Hello! Sometimes the ssh connection
between my desktop and my laptop suddenly hangs for a while. Any
ideas how to go about this?
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834 [10:08:54] <jim> generally, you'd want to try to find
out what's causing it
835 [10:09:06] <no_gravity> Exactly my thinking.
836 [10:09:10] <no_gravity> Are we twins?
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838 [10:10:05] <jim> well anything interesting in any /var/log
files?
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840 [10:11:29] <jim> there are time stamps, so if you can match
the time stamp to actually when it happened, that could help you
match any interesting messages with the actual "hanging"
841 [10:11:57] <no_gravity> Hard to say when it started hanging.
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843 [10:11:59] <no_gravity> Some minutes ago.
844 [10:12:10] <jim> if you have a clock you can look at, or if
your os isn't frozen too, you can run date
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846 [10:12:28] <at0m> also, "journalctl -f" will
tail/follow logs
847 [10:12:32] <jim> if the clock is synced to NTP, that can help
too
848 [10:13:20] <no_gravity> Funny, in the second ssh session, I
killed the other bash session. And that made the first ssh session
end with 'Connection to machine1 closed'
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851 [10:15:46] <at0m> no_gravity: disconnecting a screen session
in a second session will terminate the first session. do you have
screen running in that ssh session.
852 [10:15:53] <at0m> s/./?
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854 [10:16:01] <no_gravity> at0m: In the first session I had
screen running.
855 [10:16:09] <at0m> hence the disconnect
856 [10:16:42] <no_gravity> I wonder if the hanging could be a
screen issue.
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859 [10:18:00] <at0m> i sometimes get the same here, but
it's an issue of an interface going down momentarily, as shown
by journalctl -f
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861 [10:18:17] <no_gravi1y> Hmm...
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863 [10:20:23] <Greyztar> is it a special package to get htop to
show cpu temperature?
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868 [10:22:32] <at0m> ,v htop
869 [10:22:34] <judd> Package: htop on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1-1;
jessie: 1.0.3-1; jessie-backports: 2.0.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.0.2-1;
buster: 2.2.0-1+b1; sid: 2.2.0-1+b1
870 [10:22:50] <at0m> cpu temp is in htop since 2.0.2
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874 [10:25:06] <at0m> can you get cpu temp from sensors? (for
example, from psensor)
875 [10:25:06] <Greyztar> ok thats strange im on stretch and
doesnt show up,using sensors command shows the temperature though
876 [10:25:14] <at0m> ok..
877 [10:26:03] <Greyztar> at0m: thanks anyway atleast i know it
should be there
878 [10:26:36] <vorkosigan2019> My ThinkPad X220 (Testing) is
freezing when connection to the docking station
879 [10:27:10] <COOurb> how to enable running scripts with
rc.local?
880 [10:27:38] <Greyztar> COOurb: try set chmod +x on it i think
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882 [10:28:35] <vorkosigan2019> I already looked around in
/var/log but I was unable to locate a reason for the freeze. Video
output cannot be modified - neither via build-in keyboard/mouse nor
with external. Plus it seems like that a few seconds after freeze
the CPU fan starts spinnging. How to debug?
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913 [11:02:48] <rant> should i need to use caution buying a pcie
usb3 card as far as debian supporting it?
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915 [11:03:49] <at0m> Greyztar: funny how CPU Temp is shown
18°C lower than individual cores temp's here
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917 [11:04:30] <at0m> and SSD shows 98°C. uh, right.
918 [11:04:34] <rant> my only requirements other than debian
support is cheap and 4 or more ports would be nice
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926 [11:07:19] <xormor> can you see my homepage? -->
replaced-url
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929 [11:09:00] <xormor> deb, can you see my homepage?
replaced-url
930 [11:09:09] <xormor> elkalamar, can you see it?
931 [11:09:33] <at0m> xormor: server not found
932 [11:09:43] <xormor> at0m, ok.
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934 [11:10:28] <FinalX> it's ipv6-only
935 [11:11:55] <FinalX> there's something listening on port
80, but it's extremely slow
936 [11:12:21] <xormor> FinalX, I see...
937 [11:12:31] <FinalX> xormor: seems like your basic Apache
install is working fine
938 [11:12:31] <at0m> oh indeed resolves to ipv6
939 [11:12:53] <FinalX> ,v apache2
940 [11:12:54] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u13; jessie:
2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12;
stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u4; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u6; sid:
2.4.37-1; buster: 2.4.38-2
941 [11:12:56] <xormor> FinalX, ok.
942 [11:13:08] <FinalX> and you're running stretch, judging
by the version number
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944 [11:13:22] <xormor> FinalX, yes.
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954 [11:20:35] <xormor> FinalX, what about now? I installed
lighttpd
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975 [11:36:33] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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977 [11:37:53] <ychaouche> I installed fusioninventory and
I'm wondering if the /etc/default/fusioninventory-agent file is
mandatory ? it's not present after installation and when I run
/etc/init.d/fusioninventory-agent it says : Daemon mode disabled in
/etc/default/fusioninventory-agent
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980 [11:39:15] <at0m> ,v fusioninventory
981 [11:39:17] <judd> No package named
'fusioninventory' was found in amd64.
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985 [11:39:57] <ychaouche> ,v fusioninventory-agent
986 [11:39:58] <judd> Package: fusioninventory-agent on amd64 --
wheezy: 2.2.3-8; jessie: 1:2.3.10.1-1; buster: 1:2.4.2-1; sid:
1:2.4.2-1
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993 [11:42:18] <at0m> ychaouche: so then default installation
doesn't run as daemon, only standalone, i guess. until you make
a /etc/default/fusioninventory-agent that enables daemon mode. and
yea, i would expect /etc/default/$app to be there. but when it
isn't, make one..
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996 [11:43:12] <ychaouche> I don't even know what to put in
there
997 [11:43:22] <ychaouche> or what can be put in there
998 [11:43:35] <ychaouche> I guess I'll have to refer to the
fusioninventory website and figure it out.
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1001 [11:44:43] <at0m> maybe /usr/doc/fusioninventory* has
something. in any case, you could file a bug report for that default
file being missing
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1050 [12:14:10] <laughingtiger> hi all sorry to bother you but I
have a strange problem regarding debian, when I test my network
speed, in windows 10 it's normal, full speed, but in debian it
shows only less than half of the full speed. both I used the same
website. just don't know what's going on.
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1052 [12:15:43] <laughingtiger> I've ruled out firefox's
possibility of causing it.
1053 [12:15:45] <BCMM> laughingtiger: by network speed, you mean
internet rather than just lan speed here?
1054 [12:15:46] <at0m> laughingtiger: to exclude your download
program, there's a speedtest-cli
1055 [12:15:58] <laughingtiger> BCMM, internet speed
1056 [12:16:16] <laughingtiger> at0m, what's that, pls tell
me.
1057 [12:16:45] <at0m> laughingtiger: apt show speedtest-cli
1058 [12:17:41] <laughingtiger> at0m, thank you let me try that.
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1065 [12:19:52] <at0m> laughingtiger: also, you can check your NIC
speed with "ip a", in case debian auto-negates it as
100Mbps
1066 [12:20:17] <at0m> which it shouldnt, if it's 1000Mbps
both ends
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1069 [12:23:32] <laughingtiger> at0m, is it default qlen value?
the ip a command
1070 [12:23:56] <BCMM> there's a few old SIS gigabit NICs
which only do 100Mb/s with the linux driver
1071 [12:23:56] <at0m> laughingtiger: right
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1073 [12:24:28] <laughingtiger> at0m, also the speedtest command
uses the same server as I used in firefox, speedtest.net, so
it's the same result.
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1075 [12:24:52] <laughingtiger> at0m, that's 1000.
1076 [12:24:56] <at0m> laughingtiger: speedtest.net has many
different IP's, depending on location and what not
1077 [12:25:00] <at0m> ok
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1079 [12:25:34] <BCMM> that's not what qlen is
1080 [12:25:43] <BCMM> that's the length of the transmission
buffer, in packets
1081 [12:25:44] <at0m> BCMM: oh?
1082 [12:25:51] <BCMM> qlen = "queue length" i think
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1084 [12:26:43] <BCMM> ethtool is the usual way of checking this
1085 [12:26:58] <BCMM> i don't know if ip has a way of
getting that information, as it's kind of a physical layer
thing
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1087 [12:27:57] <at0m> laughingtiger: "ethtool $interface |
grep Speed" then
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1095 [12:32:07] <laughingtiger> at0m, well, ethtool shows speed is
100Mb/s
1096 [12:32:39] <laughingtiger> at0m, so it should be 1000Mb/s I
guess?
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1098 [12:33:05] <BCMM> laughingtiger: well, is it definitely a
gigabit NIC?
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1100 [12:33:17] <BCMM> laughingtiger: what does it shows in
"Supported link modes:"?
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1102 [12:33:29] <at0m> ethtool $interface can show advertised
capabilities
1103 [12:33:41] <laughingtiger> at0m, and sorry for the delay as I
was trying to understand the ethtool command myself didn't know
you've told me.
1104 [12:33:49] <at0m> laughingtiger: no worries
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1106 [12:34:08] <BCMM> laughingtiger: also, how fast/slow is your
internet connection? is ethernet even a potential bottleneck?
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1109 [12:35:10] <laughingtiger> BCMM, link modes is 10baseT/half
10baseT/full 100baseT/half 100baseT/full 1000baseT/full
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1111 [12:36:03] <laughingtiger> BCMM, I don't think ethernet
is the bottleneck.
1112 [12:36:12] <BCMM> ah, so it should be gigabit-capable.
however: 1. was it definitely working at gigabit speeds in windows?
2. is your router gigabit? 3. was your previous internet connection
speed more than 100Mb/s anyway?
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1114 [12:37:09] <at0m> laughingtiger: if you have another machine
on the LAN, iperf can show LAN throughput. but firstly, ^^
1115 [12:37:43] <BCMM> laughingtiger: it would help to know what
the actual speed test numbers were (good and bad)
1116 [12:37:59] <BCMM> that might completely rule out ethernet mii
as a bottleneck
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1119 [12:38:53] <laughingtiger> BCMM, speedtest shows it works at
gigabit speed in windows. and I'm sure router is the correct
type.
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1121 [12:39:06] <BCMM> laughingtiger: gigabit speeds to the
internet?
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1124 [12:39:44] <laughingtiger> BCMM, yes, in windows it's
320MB/s or so.
1125 [12:40:09] <laughingtiger> erh, 32MB/s maybe?
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1127 [12:40:14] <BCMM> laughingtiger: there's a difference
between MB/s and Mb/s; please double-check what you're using
1128 [12:40:16] <laughingtiger> download speed
1129 [12:40:24] <BCMM> because if it's only a gigabit
ethernet adaptor, it can't do 320MB/s
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1131 [12:40:37] <laughingtiger> yeah, I'm sure it's
30MB/s for download speed
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1133 [12:41:30] <BCMM> ok, if you were getting 30 mega**bytes**
per second, from the internet, on windows, then your 100 mega**bit**
ethernet interface is the bottleneck
1134 [12:41:38] <laughingtiger> BCMM, and now in debian it's
4MB/s in average
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1136 [12:41:59] <BCMM> oh, now that's a lot lower than i was
expecting... theoretically should be 10-12
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1138 [12:43:23] <laughingtiger> BCMM, what do you mean
theoretically it should be 10/12, do you mean on debian it's
the top value ?
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1140 [12:43:47] <BCMM> laughingtiger: i mean, 100/8
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1145 [12:44:26] <BCMM> a 100Mb/s link should limit you to 12.5MB/s
download speed, minus a bit for overhead (so maybe 10)
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1147 [12:44:49] <laughingtiger> BCMM, erh, and what do you mean
"then my 100 megebit ethernet interface is the
bottleneck"?
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1149 [12:45:09] <BCMM> laughingtiger: you said you were getting
30MB/s download speeds from the internet on windows
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1151 [12:45:44] <BCMM> laughingtiger: that's 240Mb/s, i.e.
more than 100Mb/s
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1154 [12:46:19] <BCMM> therefore, your ethernet link is probably
what's limiting your download speeds
1155 [12:46:58] <BCMM> if the expected download speed was within
what a 100Mb/s ethernet connection could practically achieve,
i'd look for a different problem
1156 [12:47:07] <laughingtiger> BCMM, so if I understand correct,
the solution is for me to get the network card work at 1000Mb/s on
debian, am I right?
1157 [12:47:45] <BCMM> it's certainly not possible to get
those download speeds without getting the card to operating at
gigabit, yes
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1159 [12:48:09] <BCMM> laughingtiger: can you pastebin the output
of mii-tool -v <interface name>?
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1161 [12:48:22] <BCMM> also, what network adaptor/driver are you
using?
1162 [12:49:28] <laughingtiger> BCMM, it's "enp2s0: 100
Mbit, half duplex, link ok"
1163 [12:49:55] <BCMM> ... is that the entire output?
1164 [12:50:01] <laughingtiger> yes
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1166 [12:50:23] <BCMM> hang on, i think you must have a very
different version of mii-tool from mine...
1167 [12:50:24] <laughingtiger> oh sorry, I forgot the
"-v"
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1170 [12:51:31] <laughingtiger> BCMM,
replaced-url
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1175 [12:52:35] <BCMM> ah, so somehow, autonegotiation isn't
enabled at all
1176 [12:53:34] <BCMM> laughingtiger: do you know what NIC you
have? i'd like to see if this is a known problem with your
driver or something like that
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1179 [12:56:04] <laughingtiger> BCMM, I think it's a realtek
one, full information:
replaced-url
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1181 [12:57:39] <BCMM> laughingtiger: what driver are you using?
do you have non-free?
1182 [12:58:54] <BCMM> laughingtiger: if you don't have
firmware-realtek from non-free installed, try installing that and
rebooting. then check mii-tool again
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1184 [12:59:16] <BCMM> (i'm wondering if perhaps the ethernet
card is able to operating in its most basic mode without
realtek's firmware)
1185 [12:59:23] <BCMM> ^to operate
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1187 [12:59:36] <kreyren> is there a function in apt that makes it
fail if it tries to overwrite something? eg. portage
FEATURES="collision-protect"
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1190 [13:00:07] <laughingtiger> BCMM, it's r8169
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1192 [13:00:41] <BCMM> laughingtiger: any output from `dmesg |grep
-i firmware`?
1193 [13:02:50] <BCMM> (hmm, testing mii-tool for this
conversation has made me realise that i'm operating on
half-duplex here. wonder what *that's* about...)
1194 [13:03:19] <laughingtiger> BCMM,
replaced-url
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1197 [13:04:17] <BCMM> laughingtiger: "firmware: failed to
load rtl_nic/rtl8168h-2.fw" is relevant here. see if installing
firmware-realtek fixes it.
1198 [13:04:26] <laughingtiger> BCMM, how do you know the
autonegotiation is off?
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1200 [13:04:56] <BCMM> laughingtiger: your mii-tool output.
"basic mode" section.
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1202 [13:05:06] <Azrael_-> hi
1203 [13:05:06] <BCMM> laughingtiger: i've got "basic
mode: autonegotiation enabled"
1204 [13:05:18] <laughingtiger> BCMM, oh I see
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1206 [13:05:40] <laughingtiger> BCMM, let me try installing it
1207 [13:05:43] <BCMM> laughingtiger: my guess (but it *is* a
guess) is that it's possible to manually configure your NIC
without realtek's firmware blob, but you need the firmware to
do autonegotiation
1208 [13:05:53] <Azrael_-> some email hosters put emails from my
server into the junk folder on the recipient side. e.g. gmx. is
there a way to prevent/improve this behaviour?
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1210 [13:07:23] <laughingtiger> BCMM, it's the same output of
command mii-tool, after installing it
1211 [13:07:30] <BCMM> laughingtiger: did you restart?
1212 [13:07:43] <laughingtiger> oh
1213 [13:07:53] <laughingtiger> I'll come later.
1214 [13:08:01] <BCMM> Azrael_-: try
replaced-url
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1217 [13:08:21] <BCMM> Azrael_-: it'll give you suggestions
about why your emails might look spammy
1218 [13:08:48] <Azrael_-> BCMM: ok, thanks
1219 [13:09:50] <BCMM> Azrael_-: i can have a look at the output
if you want, but i guess you might not want to post your domain name
here
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1221 [13:11:02] <BCMM> Azrael_-: but most obvious is, are you
sending emails direct from your own server, or through some sort of
relay? it take time and effort to build trust in a mail server
1222 [13:11:23] <BCMM> (which is why most people just pay somebody
with a good reputation to deliver their emails)
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1226 [13:13:18] <BCMM> in particular, if your "server"
is at home, in some consumer ISP's dynamic IP address range,
nobody is ever going to treat it as legit
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1232 [13:17:28] <laughingtiger> BCMM, it's solved, now I just
need to make the autonegotiation permanent.
1233 [13:17:46] <BCMM> laughingtiger: what do you mean by
"permanent"?
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1235 [13:18:05] <BCMM> is it not automatically coming up as
gigabit on reboot now?
1236 [13:18:21] <laughingtiger> BCMM, because every time when I
restart, I have to type the command again and again.
1237 [13:18:29] <BCMM> laughingtiger: which command?
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1239 [13:18:55] <laughingtiger> I used "ethtool -s $interface
autoneg on"
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1242 [13:19:44] <BCMM> laughingtiger: ah, so autonegotiation
*works*, but for some reason it's not enabled when you boot up?
1243 [13:19:53] <laughingtiger> BCMM, yeah
1244 [13:20:05] <BCMM> that's odd. this is after installing
the firmware?
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1246 [13:20:13] <laughingtiger> BCMM, yes
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1248 [13:21:48] <laughingtiger> BCMM, I think it's problem
solved.
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1251 [13:22:24] <BCMM> laughingtiger: ok. by the way, about that
other missing firmware file (that's preventing your intel
graphics from doing power-saving)
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1253 [13:22:49] <BCMM> you'll need firmware-misc-nonfree from
stretch-backports for that
1254 [13:22:54] <BCMM> it's not in stable yet
1255 [13:23:21] <laughingtiger> BCMM, I'll do that.
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1257 [13:24:09] <laughingtiger> BCMM, Idk how to express my
appreciation to you. thank you so much for your help.
1258 [13:24:17] <BCMM> you're welcome
1259 [13:25:27] <BCMM> well, if your problem is sorted now,
i've got a question for the channel...
1260 [13:25:46] <BCMM> anybody know why my ethernet adaptor is
running at half-duplex?
1261 [13:26:15] <BCMM> "eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-HD
flow-control, link ok"
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1263 [13:26:37] <BCMM> another device attached to the same router
is full-duplex. is this just a bad cable?
1264 [13:27:12] <fling> BCMM: or missing full-duplex cap in the
network card.
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1266 [13:28:34] <BCMM> fling: it's advertising 1000baseT-FD
replaced-url
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1270 [13:30:59] <BCMM> are capabilities listed in order of
preference or something?
1271 [13:31:08] <BCMM> wondering why hd comes up first
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1276 [13:33:12] <BCMM> nevermind, looks like it's a bug in
mii-tool
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1329 [14:13:46] <muhaha> I am using lightdm and xsession, but
seems that start-pulseaudio-x11 is not started by default, or at
least pulseaudio --user process is started, but environments are not
exported... Any idea?
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1378 [14:45:09] <aphorise> is there anyway looking at what
apt.systemd.dail update is doing? - its been on going on my machine
for the past 1 hour.
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1399 [14:58:16] <blackflow> aphorise: it's a shell script
exec'd by apt-daily.service triggered by apt-daily.timer
1400 [14:58:20] <blackflow> and it runs apt update
1401 [14:58:49] <blackflow> you can strace attach to its PID if
you think it's stuck
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1404 [15:02:50] <aphorise> blackflow thanks - I removed it
manually
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1511 [16:34:24] <neki_deki> hi, i would like to install java 1.7
jdk on debian, some help pls
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1517 [16:39:21] <Deihmos> Is it possible to update the lkernel ?
1518 [16:40:26] <Greyztar> trying to script making a debian.img
which i can later dd to usb to have a usb install,not install from
usb that is,rather dd install on usb,chroot command at password
seems to fail as im changing it locally and not in the chroot,
replaced-url
1519 [16:41:35] <Greyztar> just if anyone could spot some obvious
errors,its from an online guide the script so not mine
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1522 [16:42:00] <dvs> Deihmos, the kernel gets updated just like
any other package.
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1526 [16:43:02] <Deihmos> Not upgraded often the
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1529 [16:43:34] <Deihmos> Having some issues with a new laptop
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1548 [16:55:03] <tdn> How do I set up a quake2-server in Debian 9?
I have installed the quake2-server package. I have also used the
game-packager tool to create a .deb from the quake2 cd. And
installed the .deb. But when I start the server, it complains about
missing pak0.pak.
1549 [16:58:36] <FragtioN> you need to copy pak0.pak from the
Quake 2 CD ROM
1550 [16:59:24] <FragtioN> you need to copy pak0.pak from the
Quake 2 CD ROM
1551 [16:59:25] <FragtioN> that contains the licensed content,
which is why it's not distributed in the installer packages
1552 [17:00:04] <FragtioN> if you can find an image of the disk,
or the standalone pak0.pak for Quake 2 somewhere else, great. just
beware of the legal risks doing so
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1555 [17:01:00] <tomreyn> game-packager's purpose is exactly
to make this user friendly. maybe file a bug agains tit if this
approach didn't work *and* it claims to support it.
1556 [17:01:17] <tdn> FragtioN, I do have the cdrom and the pak
file with me. Where do I need to put it?
1557 [17:01:57] <FragtioN> never worked with quake 2 but I know
for quake 3, the file is pak0.pk3, and it belongs in a folder called
baseq3, along with the other pak files
1558 [17:03:52] <tdn> FragtioN, ok. But do you know if this is
somewhere inside the quake2-server user's home? Or somewhere in
the package's install path?
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1561 [17:04:24] <FragtioN> @tdn sorry my bnc died not sure if you
got my last msg. never worked with quake 2 but I know for quake 3,
the file is pak0.pk3, and it belongs in a folder called baseq3,
along with the other pak files
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1564 [17:09:50] <tdn> FragtioN, I have just done a locate baseq2
and then copied the pak0.pak to all folders found this way. Then
restarted. I think the server has started and I can see it is
listening on the UDP port 27930. However, when I start quake2 on my
windows VM and go to join game, I cannot see the game. I have
checked that port is reachable using nc -vvz -u hostname 27930 and
it succeeded.
1565 [17:10:23] <FragtioN> try connect directly in console on the
client
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1567 [17:10:56] <FragtioN> if that works, it could be something to
do with the advertising of the server on the LAN, ie
broadcast/subnet variances, IPX etc
1568 [17:11:00] <tdn> FragtioN, how to do that? "connect
IP" ?
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1570 [17:11:03] <FragtioN> yes
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1573 [17:11:24] <FragtioN> put sv_lan 1 on server
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1576 [17:12:02] <tdn> FragtioN, in the debian_server.cfg, I add
the line: "set sv_lan 1" ?
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1582 [17:19:20] <tdn> FragtioN, I did just that and restarted.
Still cannot seem to connect. When I do: connect 10.0.0.50 on
client, it just hangs.
1583 [17:19:26] <tdn> Says: connecting to 10.0.0.50...
1584 [17:19:28] <tdn> Then nothing.
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1588 [17:24:25] <tdn> FragtioN, wow! Now I got it to work. I
think. I got it to connect. Appearently default port is 27910 and
not 27930. It now says: Server is version 6.00
1589 [17:24:40] <tdn> FragtioN, gameserver: wrong version
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1600 [17:30:21] <dlynes> I upgraded from Jessie to Stretch using
apt-get dist-upgrade. Everything seemed to go fine, but when I try
to install php7.x-curl, it appears to be trying to install the
stretch version, not the jessie version
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1602 [17:30:42] <friendofafriend> dlynes: What message doth thou
receive?
1603 [17:31:17] <n4dir> if you upgraded to stretch, why
shouldn't it try to install the stretch version?
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1606 [17:32:37] <dlynes> n4dir: very good question...that's
my conundrum
1607 [17:32:54] <xand> dlynes: sounds like it's working as
expected?
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1609 [17:33:16] <dlynes> n4dir: It's trying to install the
jessie version but can't because the php-common version
installed is the stretch version
1610 [17:33:27] <dlynes> xand: how is that working as expected?
1611 [17:33:36] <xand> dlynes: read your problem again
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1613 [17:33:55] <n4dir> so you upgraded to stretch but it tries to
install the jessie version?
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1617 [17:35:10] <n4dir> this way or that way you should probably
start by getting your sources.list file sorted.
1618 [17:35:13] <dlynes> n4dir: No. I upgraded to stretch,
I'm trying to install the stretch version of php7.x-curl, but
it has a dependency on the jessie version of php-common. It
won't install because of that because php-common stretch
version is installed
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1620 [17:35:43] <n4dir> !bat
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1622 [17:35:52] <n4dir> do /msg dpkg bat
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1624 [17:35:57] <dlynes> n4dir: I've done a grep -Rni jessie
/etc/apt - no results
1625 [17:36:03] <n4dir> and give the info it asks for here.
1626 [17:36:27] <dlynes> n4dir: Run 'dpkg bat'?
1627 [17:36:31] <n4dir> not saying i will be able to help, but
that info is needed.
1628 [17:36:47] <n4dir> no: in your IRC client do: /msg dpkg bat
1629 [17:37:33] <dlynes> And by #1, do you mean 'apt-get
install php7.2-curl'?
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1631 [17:39:54] <dlynes> n4dir: ummm...nvm
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1633 [17:40:22] <dlynes> n4dir: When I install each package
individually it works, but if I do apt-get install php7.0-curl
php7.1-curl php7.2-curl it had that weird jessie dependency
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1635 [17:40:41] <dlynes> n4dir: sorry for wasting your time
1636 [17:41:28] <n4dir> not wasting anyones time, as it sure
sounds weird. But you seem to have it sorted.
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1639 [17:43:32] <dlynes> n4dir: ah...it is still a
problem...forgot to cover off php 7.3...it's only happening in
the php 7.3 packages
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1644 [17:49:27] <dlynes> n4dir: Here's the output you
requested:
replaced-url
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1647 [17:51:41] <n4dir> packages.survy.org/php ? might be the
problem?
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1652 [17:55:14] <dlynes> n4dir: So that's not a normal debian
package?
1653 [17:55:23] <dlynes> erm debian repository rather?
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1655 [17:55:52] <dlynes> I thought maybe it was something required
by the old secured apache server
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1657 [17:56:17] <n4dir> all i can say that that *might" be
your problem. What exactly or how to solve it i wouldn't know.
1658 [17:56:48] <n4dir> what i would do is comment that repo out,
do apt-get update, then try apt-get install again.
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1660 [17:57:06] <n4dir> assuming that is an option (if you really
need that repo, it isn't)
1661 [17:57:32] <dlynes> yeah...i see what it was for
1662 [17:57:37] <dlynes> php 7.3 modules
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1664 [17:57:46] <dlynes> without it, I don't have php 7.3
modules
1665 [17:58:21] <n4dir> there is a way to install a certain
version with apt-get, search the web, something like "apt-get
install pkg version=***"
1666 [17:58:49] <n4dir> but i think the best might be to ask again
later, and give the link to that pastebin. Someone else might have
more insight.
1667 [17:59:34] <dlynes> And btw...is apt-get and apt-cache going
the way of the dodo? All the examples at the command line seem to be
using 'apt', and aptitude has also disappeared
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1670 [18:00:15] <n4dir> aptitude can be installed, but isn't
per default. And i haven't heard of apt-get going away, but
sure not in the near future.
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1674 [18:01:40] <dlynes> n4dir: thank you
1675 [18:02:29] <n4dir> as said, ask again, either in a few hours
or tomorrow. Many know such stuff in and out.
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1677 [18:02:52] <dlynes> n4dir: Ok, thank you.
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1743 [18:38:01] <doublehp> munin node refuses to start, but does
not provide any reason :
replaced-url
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1779 [19:05:41] <fluffywolf> with the xdg menu system, is
everything really lumped into ten categories with no subcategories
of any kind, or is icewm's xdg-to-menu translator just not
processing the submenus correctly?
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1784 [19:07:27] <fluffywolf> ... just answered my own question, by
looking at one of the .desktop files. Why the bloody fuck did we
switch from the nice, neatly organized debian menu system to this
garbage?
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1787 [19:08:37] <fluffywolf> the debian menu system was really
nicely organized, with lots of submenus.
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1792 [19:12:31] <fluffywolf> is there any way to make proper menus
appear again, or am I really going to have to organize every entry
by hand manually because we implemented yet more fdo garbage?
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1804 [19:27:36] <Datz> Hi, I can't get samba working
correctly. When I run "smbclient //freki/Nic" I get tree
connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME
1805 [19:28:16] <Datz>
replaced-url
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1807 [19:28:31] <Datz> I just aptitude purged and restinstalled
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1809 [19:29:29] <Datz> here's my smb.config
replaced-url
1810 [19:29:45] <Datz> any help appreciated
1811 [19:30:18] <Datz> not sure if it's something with my
system name, I'm kinda out of ideas
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1823 [19:37:54] <SpeedyG> looks like your smbclient connection
tries to open the share /Nic which isnt in your config
1824 [19:38:30] <SpeedyG> what does 'smbclient
//freki/downloads' do ?
1825 [19:38:33] <Datz> ok.. that should have been apparent to me.
That was just something I got from the web to see if it was working.
I wasn't sure what /Nic was all about
1826 [19:39:01] <SpeedyG> freki being the hostname of your system
?
1827 [19:39:04] <Datz> yes
1828 [19:39:13] <SpeedyG> and you're trying it on localhost?
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1830 [19:39:16] <Datz> yes
1831 [19:39:22] <Datz> can't access it on windows
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1834 [19:40:04] <Datz> SpeedyG: ok, looks like I can access it
like that
1835 [19:40:08] <Datz> from localhost
1836 [19:40:25] <Datz> so that's a start I guess
1837 [19:40:29] <SpeedyG> yep :)
1838 [19:40:40] <SpeedyG> first step is checking if it works at
all
1839 [19:40:45] <SpeedyG> then get network issues out of the way
:)
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1843 [19:41:48] <Deihmos> what is the purpose of the 18.10 release
?
1844 [19:41:50] <Datz> when I try it on my windows machine, I get
the apache server telling me the URL cannot be found
1845 [19:42:14] <Datz> but at least it knows where to look..
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1847 [19:42:41] <SpeedyG> Datz: on windows, use the slashes the
other way around, so \\freki\downloads
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1849 [19:42:59] <SpeedyG> (or your ip, if its not in dns)
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1854 [19:44:27] <Datz> humm, well with that I get a user name and
password dialogue box, but then I get an error. I have set up a user
and password with samba
1855 [19:44:59] <Datz> the windows error is: Windows cannot access
\\freki\downloads
1856 [19:45:28] <SpeedyG> most likely, because the
username/password combi sent by windows is incorrect :)
1857 [19:45:53] <Datz> oh, I just added a slash after the
downloads\ and it worked
1858 [19:45:54] <SpeedyG> but you could check that in your samba
logs I guess.. been a while since I ran into windows ;)
1859 [19:46:01] <SpeedyG> ah nice :D
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1861 [19:46:19] <Datz> thanks. Hopefully windows will index that
in my network folder, that'd be really nice.. :)
1862 [19:46:26] <Datz> thanks for the help though, I appreciate it
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1870 [19:48:58] <urxtnw> Hello, I was reading through the wiki and
I was curious, how is debian funded?
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1872 [19:49:20] <urxtnw> I see donations and everything but is it
a community thing? i.e. unlike cannonical?
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1874 [19:49:29] <Getattrovskaya> hello, it seems the package I
need has no version for stretch. its last version is for jessie. can
I still somehow install and use it on stretch?
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1883 [19:52:25] <barc0d4> why linus dont like debian ?
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1885 [19:56:41] <Datz> He does answer that.
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1887 [19:57:33] <barc0d4> yeap but it's not enough
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1890 [19:58:42] <Datz> Basically, he's not familiar with it,
and doesn't want to become familiar with it, because he uses
something else which works well for him.
1891 [19:59:13] <barc0d4> Datz:okey I get it
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1938 [20:23:09] <rsully> Is there a debian livecd that is just a
console/terminal? No gui?
1939 [20:23:24] <rsully> I am looking here
replaced-url
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1941 [20:23:53] <rsully> I am looking for a live environment I can
boot from USB, install ssh to, and then use to install a custom
environment via debootstrap
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1948 [20:28:12] <GNU\colossus> rsully, check out grml
1949 [20:28:22] <GNU\colossus> it's a live distro that's
based on Debian
1950 [20:28:31] <GNU\colossus> (and it comes with debootstrap
included)
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1952 [20:28:56] <GNU\colossus> ->
replaced-url
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1959 [20:35:09] <kreyren> any way to livepatch kernel on debian?
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1961 [20:36:04] <karlpinc> rsully: See the "DVD/USB"
section of:
replaced-url
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2007 [21:10:10] <rsully> karlpinc yeah the link I put there is
what you get to when you click "amd64" from dvd/usb
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2009 [21:12:37] <rsully> GNU\colossus what's the difference
between full/small grml?
2010 [21:13:00] <rsully> GNU\colossus nevermind, found the FAQ
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2026 [21:28:35] <rsully> GNU\colossus is there anything I should
be worried about when using that to bootstrap stretch?
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2092 [22:00:21] <rudi_s> kreyren: Yes, kpatch works.
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2095 [22:00:40] <kreyren> rudi_s: more info about kpatch process?
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2118 [22:08:55] <rudi_s> kreyren: It's quite well documented
on
replaced-url
2119 [22:09:05] <rudi_s> You prepare a patch, build it, load it.
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2122 [22:09:37] <kreyren> can i live patch custom kernel?
2123 [22:09:45] <kreyren> or debian-only?
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2125 [22:10:24] <rudi_s> kreyren: You can patch any kernel for
which you have the debug symbols and config (and a few other
restrictions which are checked by kpatch-build).
2126 [22:10:49] <kreyren> perfect, thanks
2127 [22:11:41] <rudi_s> np
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2136 [22:17:57] <Tenkawa> SerajewelKS: hey you around?
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2143 [22:22:28] <Tenkawa> replaced that thumb drive with a samsung
model, cloned the system, and wow it flies...
2144 [22:24:59] <dvs> a Samsung what?
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2146 [22:25:48] <Tenkawa> apparently the sandisk one was just not
playing nice
2147 [22:27:12] <Tenkawa> dvs: thumb drive...I had a performance
problem I could reproduce only with a specific thumb drive
2148 [22:27:48] * dvs never knew Samsung made thumb drives
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2150 [22:28:23] <dvs> Full fledged USB drive yes, but not thumb
drives
2151 [22:28:25] <Tenkawa> yep
2152 [22:28:38] <Tenkawa> good ones too
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2158 [22:31:50] <un214> I just upgraded to buster and X appears
completely busted
2159 [22:32:00] <dvs> hence the name
2160 [22:32:14] <un214> sddm was nonfunctional; so I removed it
2161 [22:32:19] <un214> startx doesn't work either
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2163 [22:34:03] <un214> I can start X directly, as root only
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2165 [22:34:43] <un214> anybody got a good strategy for fixing
this? I have a console web browser but that's pretty much trash
right now
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2167 [22:35:59] <trysten> un214: maybe reconfigure some packages?
Like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i htink
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2176 [22:38:39] <un214> no screens found is not a very useful
error message when X can start as root
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2178 [22:39:22] <un214> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg goes nowhere
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2181 [22:41:52] <Tenkawa> tasksel can remove and reinstall all
needed pkgs
2182 [22:42:16] <un214> might be worth it; I think I fixed
something but have to reboot
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2192 [22:46:58] <un214> Yup fixed something; can log in with Xdm
now
2193 [22:47:06] <Tenkawa> good
2194 [22:47:17] <un214> nice broken environment but the web
browser runs
2195 [22:47:26] <Tenkawa> not good
2196 [22:47:58] <un214> you know how kdm defaults to kde, gdm
defaults to gnome, etc? well Xdm defaults to something strange
2197 [22:48:05] <un214> I have no idea what it is
2198 [22:48:56] <zleap> can you describe this
2199 [22:48:57] <un214> and since my accessability programs
didn't start ...
2200 [22:48:58] <zleap> please
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2203 [22:49:23] <un214> right click on empty space yields a
dropdown with a bunch of things that don't work but terminal
emulator does
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2205 [22:49:42] <zleap> ok
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2207 [22:50:08] <zleap> xdm is a minimal display manager, I think
that used to have thigns such as windowmaker on top of it
2208 [22:50:11] <un214> so I probably just need to know how to set
which desktiop env to load
2209 [22:50:18] <zleap> yeah
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2211 [22:50:47] <zleap> think so
2212 [22:51:45] <zleap> un214: I am _not_ sure if this is the
right solution but perhaps someone here can help
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2214 [22:52:21] <un214> here we go log out log in
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2260 [23:27:31] <diamante> Hello
2261 [23:27:39] <diamante> I need support for this error:
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2263 [23:27:59] <diamante> mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda -L backup mke2fs
1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017) Found a dos partition table in /dev/sda Proceed
anyway? (y,N) y
2264 [23:28:08] <diamante> Found a dos partition table in /dev/sda
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2266 [23:28:22] <diamante> Who can help me for change this
partition table ?
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2268 [23:30:12] <jmcnaught> diamante: you can change the partition
table in fdisk
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2270 [23:31:04] <diamante> jmcnaught: hello. Yes, how i can change
it ? There's a guide ?
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2274 [23:32:41] <jmcnaught> diamante: "fdisk /dev/sdX"
then you can press 'm' for the menu, you'll see that
'g' writes a new GPT partition table. You probably also
want to create a partition with 'n', and you save changes
with 'w'. fdisk(8) also has a man page
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2276 [23:33:36] <diamante> jmcnaught: i try it.
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2283 [23:35:58] <diamante> jmcnaught: done.
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2287 [23:37:29] <diamante> jmcnaught: hmm then i write: mkfs.ext4
/dev/sda -L backup
2288 [23:37:31] <GNU\colossus> rsully, nope, should be smooth
sailing
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2290 [23:38:07] <jmcnaught> diamante: if it were me I would make a
partition and format /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda but I guess
it's not strictly necessary
2291 [23:38:11] <diamante> jmcnaught: but I have this error:
mke2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017) --> Found a gpt partition table in
/dev/sda --> Proceed anyway? (y,N) y
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2293 [23:39:05] <diamante> jmcnaught: /dev/sda1
2294 [23:39:38] <diamante> jmcnaught: /dev/sda1 --> its ok now.
2295 [23:39:50] <diamante> mke2fs started.
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2299 [23:42:13] <diamante> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
2300 [23:42:53] <jmcnaught> diamante: /dev/sda1 not /dev/sda
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2310 [23:45:59] <epicmetal> Anyone know how to draw visual
dependency graph for all installed packages? I found debtree but
that seems to draw it just for one package
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2322 [23:52:04] <hypn0> epicmetal:
replaced-url
2323 [23:52:10] <diamante> jmcnaught: sorry for my oversight :)
2324 [23:53:13] <jmcnaught> diamante: no need to apologize, I hope
you got it working :)
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2326 [23:53:59] <magyar> hi, after startup my debian is running
very hot until I use the top command, after a few seconds the
process disappears >>>1148284 26268 4216 S 379.7 0.1
394:52.23 systemctl
2327 [23:54:07] <epicmetal> hypn0: isn't that the same as
debtree in that it requires an argument of a single package?
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2331 [23:55:00] <magyar> the systemctl is running at 400% non stop
for hours, but disappears once I use top,atop or htop
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2338 [23:57:40] <jmcnaught> magyar: is there anything in your
logs?
2339 [23:58:05] <diamante> jmcnaught: its ok now. Mounted and
config fstab when i reboot.
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2342 [23:58:29] <diamante> --> /dev/sda1 458G 73M 435G 1%
/media/nas
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