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2 [00:02:19] <SerajewelKS> LUKS-in-LVM is not a very good idea
especially if you have LVM-in-raid1
3 [00:03:08] <SerajewelKS> you pretty much never want LUKS
below mirroring
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14 [00:15:43] <agowa338> Does anyone know how to install
openjdk-8-jre-headless on an arm64 build? It used to work some
months ago, but the package seam to have been removed from the
repos...
15 [00:17:12] <SerajewelKS> agowa338: which debian release?
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19 [00:20:47] <agowa338> SerajewelKS: I used the docker image
testing-slim, so testing
20 [00:21:02] <SerajewelKS> okay, so it's probably not
there because 8 is ancient
21 [00:21:16] <SerajewelKS> install default-jre-headless to get
the version in buster
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28 [00:23:49] <agowa338> Thanks, that works.
29 [00:24:07] <SerajewelKS> np
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47 [00:31:51] <Lope> are the debian mongodb packages dodgy?
48 [00:31:56] <Lope> Why use mongodb-org instead?
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50 [00:32:09] <Lope> I usually use the mongodb-org packages, cos
they're newer
51 [00:32:21] <Lope> But in this case I have an app that
requires MongoDB 3.2
52 [00:32:30] <Sleaker> didn't monogdb get removed from
open source because of the license change?
53 [00:32:54] <Lope> Doesn't seem so. mongodb package is
available in debian9.
54 [00:33:07] <Lope> mongodb-org doesn't support 3.2 for
Debian 9.
55 [00:33:24] <Lope> So I'm thinking I should install
mongodb (debian "official" package)
56 [00:33:34] <Lope> Weird stuff
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66 [00:35:18] <Sleaker> Lope: pretty sure it got locked
67 [00:35:30] <Sleaker> ,mongodb
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69 [00:36:11] <somiaj> ,v mongodb
70 [00:36:12] <judd> Package: mongodb on amd64 -- jessie:
1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2+deb9u1; sid: 1:3.4.18-2+b1
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72 [00:36:20] <somiaj> Yea, it isn't in buster anymore
73 [00:36:30] <Sleaker> yup that's what I thought
74 [00:36:45] <Sleaker> there was a thread on debian-legal and
it got purged due to SSPL license change
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76 [00:36:53] <Sleaker> and they stopped providing backports?
77 [00:36:57] <somiaj>
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79 [00:37:41] <Sleaker> yah AGPL doesn't mix with the new
license so they can't provide backports for the older version
anyway
80 [00:37:46] <Sleaker> Lope: there you go ^
81 [00:37:57] <somiaj> Seems like it is a combination of
'newer versions has a non DFSG license -- SSPLv1 here' and
'older versions will not be supported upstream for security/bug
fixes'
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84 [00:38:26] <Sleaker> well they can't cherry-pick
bugfixes due to licensing swap
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86 [00:38:57] <somiaj> ahh yea, I overlooked that, but same
deal, if upstream isn't gonna fix/patch their older version
(under the older liense) it makes debian's life much harder.
87 [00:39:02] <Sleaker> Lope: I would highly suggest getting
mongo from it's maintainer, not just blindly installing from
the debian repo
88 [00:39:12] <somiaj> part of the reason we have to break the
frozen policy for browsers. Cherry picking fixes is not fesable.
89 [00:39:18] <Sleaker> right
90 [00:39:27] <Sleaker> they also rotate much faster.
91 [00:39:33] <Sleaker> monthly release cycles :-/
92 [00:39:53] <somiaj> firefox esr is close to resonable, though
we go though about 2 esr versions per debian release.
93 [00:40:09] <Sleaker> I thought esr was getting removed?
94 [00:40:19] <Sleaker> or did it just get renamed.
95 [00:40:49] <Sleaker> ,v firefox-esr
96 [00:40:51] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie:
52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 60.4.0esr-1; stretch: 60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1;
jessie-security: 60.6.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates:
60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster:
60.6.1esr-1
97 [00:40:53] <somiaj> I haven't heard that, firefox-esr is
still being supported
98 [00:41:03] <somiaj>
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99 [00:41:12] <Sleaker> ahh jessie-security stays up-to-date on
it.
100 [00:41:53] <somiaj> yea, debian ships the esr vesrion vs
actual firefox version due to it more closely models debian policy
of only being bug/security fixes during its life time. Though it
only has about 14-16 months of support, so that slows things down.
101 [00:43:05] <Sleaker> mhmm
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110 [00:50:33] <ryouma> idg only has x slowing down.
wouldn't it be it has only x so it is faster?
111 [00:51:13] <ryouma> or is it that the support slows down
because debian has to do it?
112 [00:51:18] <ryouma> can't be that...
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117 [00:55:53] <agowa338> SerajewelKS: So just using the newer
version of openjdk does not work, the java program crashes. Any way
to get the old version in this build?
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122 [01:00:18] <somiaj> agowa338: what do you mean by newer
version vs older version. Are you using the version that shipps with
the version of debian you are using?
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125 [01:00:51] <agowa338> default-jre-headless ./.
openjdk-8-jre-headless
126 [01:00:52] <somiaj> ahh, yea might be the version you want is
no longer supplied for buster.
127 [01:01:17] <somiaj> in buster it points to
openjdk-11-jre-headless
128 [01:01:40] <somiaj> My suggestion is if you need 8, you
should stick with stretch, and think about what is needed to upgrade
to buster to make your apps compadable with 11 (for the change)
129 [01:01:53] <Lope> Sleaker, apparently debian has moved
mongodb to nonfree
130 [01:01:56] <Lope> so it should remain.
131 [01:02:10] <Lope> I checked out the SSPL issue. I don't
blame mongodb for doing it.
132 [01:02:32] <Lope> it just says if you provide mongodb hosting
services, you must open source all your related stuff, or get a
commercial mongodb license.
133 [01:03:06] <agowa338> somiaj: I'll try stretch instead.
Thanks
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140 [01:04:47] <SerajewelKS> agowa338: when you say
"crash" what do you mean? what is the exception? because
the jdk should be backwards-compatible.
141 [01:04:52] <SerajewelKS> it's likely some dependency is
missing, or something like that
142 [01:05:47] <SerajewelKS> sounds like the SSPL is similar to
the AGPL
143 [01:05:53] <SerajewelKS> (which is also non-DFSG-free)
144 [01:05:53] <agowa338> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
javax/activation/DataSource
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147 [01:06:26] <SerajewelKS> aha this was deprecated and looks
like removed in java 9
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150 [01:07:01] <SerajewelKS> so yeah, 8 is the last version that
supports that. you could try to port the java 8 package to buster.
151 [01:07:37] <SerajewelKS> it looks like there is also a
library providing that class
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153 [01:08:07] <SerajewelKS> agowa338: have a look at
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156 [01:08:44] <SerajewelKS> basically you'd have to put
this somewhere and add it to your classpath
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158 [01:08:56] <agowa338> no I havent, but I also don't know
java that well...
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162 [01:09:41] <SerajewelKS> yeah i wouldn't expect you
would have done any of this. but this would be the way to get it
working on java 11. download JAF and add it to the classpath for
this program you're trying to run.
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165 [01:15:26] <agowa338> How do I do that? Just download that
jar and specify it at launch by using `--classpath`?
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187 [01:25:17] <agowa338> SerajewelKS: It does not work, I think
I just go with stretch-slim instead. Still alot of exceptions with
buster...
188 [01:25:49] <agowa338> Illegal reflective access by
org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase
(file:/usr/lib/unifi/lib/tomcat-embed-core-8.5.34.jar) to field
java.io.ObjectStreamClass$Caches.localDescs
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190 [01:26:40] <agowa338>
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257 [02:27:15] <kevinnn> does anyone know if the
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buster?
258 [02:27:33] <kevinnn> it doesn't seem to make the system
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271 [02:34:25] <tytan> hello everyone. i want to write random
data to several disks at once and then shutdown the computer after
every pocess finished. my current solution is like this
272 [02:34:27] <tytan> su -c 'while [[ -d /proc/123
]] || [[ -d /proc/134 ]]; do sleep 1; done; poweroff'
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274 [02:34:33] <tytan> but is there a better way?
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281 [02:36:33] <ryouma> if you have deleted or moved a conffile,
will upgrading ask you whether to restore it? i think maybe
specifying force confmiss is unnecesasry for me as i am ok if it
will ask in such (rare) cases.
282 [02:37:10] <themill> no, dpkg assumes that if you deleted a
conffile you did that intentionally
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285 [02:39:55] <ryouma> themill: interesting. but if you /change/
a conffile, it asks.
286 [02:40:28] <themill> only if there's a new version of
that file in the package
287 [02:40:54] <ryouma> right. but it is different if tehre is a
new version of your moved or deleted file?
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305 [02:58:30] <themill> ryouma: dpkg doesn't prompt you for
that - you want the whole file gone if you've deleted it. (this
is another reason why conf.d/foo.conf snippets are so handy)
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318 [03:07:17] <Neobenedict> is there any reason to use LVM on a
10TB drive
319 [03:07:23] <Neobenedict> which will be mounted as one
partition to /storage
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334 [03:15:00] <SerajewelKS> Neobenedict: i use LVM just about
everywhere, except external storage
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338 [03:15:38] <SerajewelKS> LVM allows you to do useful things
like move volumes between devices without downtime. you may not
expect to now but it might come in handy later.
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341 [03:17:54] <SerajewelKS> LVM is rarely about what it lets you
do now, but about what it lets you do later
342 [03:20:37] <SerajewelKS> using LVM but leaving 5-10% of the
VG free will give you even more freedom
343 [03:20:54] <Neobenedict> can someone tell me if this makes
sense
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347 [03:23:00] <SerajewelKS> looks fine to me as long as
it's not an EFI system
348 [03:23:30] <Neobenedict> ...it might be
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350 [03:23:57] <Lope> LVM FTW
351 [03:24:00] <Neobenedict> er imma add swap space
352 [03:24:10] <SerajewelKS> i'd suggest using one VG for
both volumes, but the installer doesn't have a way to specify
which PVs to allocate extents from
353 [03:24:28] <Lope> backup your partition layout info and raid
and LVM superblocks. #justSaying.
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356 [03:25:34] <SerajewelKS> you can do it from the command line
if you want. then you can set the allocation policy to cling.
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359 [03:26:09] <Neobenedict> i really don't need swap space
360 [03:26:12] <Neobenedict> this machine has 64gb ram
361 [03:26:25] <Neobenedict> and the main ssd is only 256gb
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363 [03:27:26] <Neobenedict> <SerajewelKS> i'd suggest
using one VG for both volumes, but the installer doesn't have a
way to specify which PVs to allocate extents from
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365 [03:27:32] <Neobenedict> so I can't do this until the
system is installed?
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384 [03:41:24] <SerajewelKS> Neobenedict: you can but you have to
use the command-line to do it
385 [03:41:36] <SerajewelKS> e.g. you can do it from the
installer CD but not using the installer's GUI
386 [03:41:44] <Neobenedict> ah
387 [03:41:55] <SerajewelKS> the GUI doesn't let you specify
which PV to allocate from, nor the VG allocation policy
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389 [03:42:43] <SerajewelKS> so you can set up the partitions and
flag the LVM PVs, then go to the command line, set up the LVs, go
back to the GUI and force it to reload the partition list, then set
up the stuff inside of the LVs using the GUI
390 [03:42:55] <SerajewelKS> may be more trouble than it's
worth
391 [03:43:03] <Neobenedict>
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392 [03:43:05] <Neobenedict> i'm going with this
393 [03:43:06] <Neobenedict> i think
394 [03:43:08] <Neobenedict> can always change it later
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396 [03:43:45] <Neobenedict> also if I understand it correctly
397 [03:43:54] <Neobenedict> I can shrink later my /storage1 lvm
398 [03:44:01] <Neobenedict> and make a backup storage for the
main filesystem
399 [03:44:33] <SerajewelKS> my other recommendation would be to
leave 5-10% of the VG as free space
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401 [03:44:46] <SerajewelKS> and yes you can shrink volumes, but
not without unmounting them
402 [03:44:52] <Neobenedict> ah they have to be unmounted
403 [03:45:02] <SerajewelKS> right. you can grow online but not
shrink.
404 [03:45:14] <Neobenedict> well, I just went forward in the
installer
405 [03:45:16] <SerajewelKS> as long as the stuff that uses
/storage1 can be stopped then it's fine
406 [03:45:21] <Neobenedict> first thing I'll do is unmount
that and shrink it
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408 [03:46:07] <SerajewelKS> leaving free space lets you use LVM
snapshots
409 [03:46:14] <SerajewelKS> as well as allocate temporary
volumes for whatever reason
410 [03:47:25] <SerajewelKS> LVM snapshots are an important part
of a backup system, to ensure that you get a point-in-time view of
the filesystem while backing up
411 [03:48:15] <Neobenedict> alright, is there a gui tool to
shrink partitions lol
412 [03:48:17] <Neobenedict> or a guide
413 [03:48:23] <Neobenedict> this seems easy to mess up
414 [03:48:28] <epsilon> if you are new to LVM and strugglled in
the installer, just setup one crypt & LVM on sda and install the
base system. you can add 100TB anytime later with or without LVM
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416 [03:48:47] <epsilon> *10TB
417 [03:48:50] <Neobenedict> I'm waiting to hear that
i'm fucked because i didn't boot the installer in EFI mode
418 [03:48:51] <SerajewelKS> lvresize can automatically resize
contained extN filesystems
419 [03:49:26] <SerajewelKS> the mode you use is up to you. if
you installed in BIOS mode then your system will boot from BIOS mode
just file.
420 [03:49:29] <SerajewelKS> fine*
421 [03:49:42] <SerajewelKS> if you installed in EFI mode then
the system is going to complain when grub tries to install and you
have no EFI system partition :)
422 [03:49:56] <Neobenedict> well the partitions are all made
aren't they
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424 [03:50:14] <Neobenedict> would just need to shrink /boot
425 [03:50:19] <SerajewelKS> yep. so just forge ahead and if the
system is running in BIOS mode then you're fine. if you're
running in EFI mode then you'll probably get an error at the
end.
426 [03:50:29] <Neobenedict> wtf
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427 [03:50:30] <epsilon> Neobenedict: if unsure about EFI
partitioning (actually one extra partition at the beginning of sda),
run automatic partitioning to see what's recommended. You can
still modify it
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429 [03:50:36] <Neobenedict> halp pls
430 [03:50:45] <SerajewelKS> epsilon: he didn't struggle in
the installer, i just had some suggestions that require using the
CLI instead of the GUI and that's a bit much at this phase
431 [03:51:00] <Neobenedict> does continue fuck up my install
432 [03:51:02] <Neobenedict> or do i need to "go back"
433 [03:51:13] <SerajewelKS> Neobenedict: hit ALT+F4 to get to VT
4 then show us that output
434 [03:51:18] <Neobenedict> >alt f4
435 [03:51:20] <Neobenedict> welp
436 [03:51:21] <Neobenedict> ok
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438 [03:51:33] <Neobenedict> my kvm crashed
439 [03:51:41] <SerajewelKS> lol
440 [03:51:48] <SerajewelKS> i always forget that's a window
shortcut my bad
441 [03:51:55] <SerajewelKS> that is how you switch VTs, I
promise :)
442 [03:51:55] <Neobenedict> now I will have to probably
reinstall
443 [03:52:05] <SerajewelKS> i didn't notice it was a VM
444 [03:52:13] <SerajewelKS> my guess is that the VM didn't
have internet access
445 [03:52:21] <Neobenedict> what a great fucking shortcut
446 [03:52:28] <SerajewelKS> maybe the installer should use VT 3
or VT 5 instead
447 [03:52:35] <SerajewelKS> for the log i mean
448 [03:52:45] <SerajewelKS> the way you switch VTs on linux is
ALT+Fn where n is the VT number
449 [03:53:16] <SerajewelKS> in X you have to add CTRL but this
also works on the console so maybe CTRL+ALT+F4 will work
450 [03:53:24] <Neobenedict> SerajewelKS:
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451 [03:53:29] <epsilon> the whole install is inside KVM?
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453 [03:53:47] <Neobenedict> this is kvm over ip
454 [03:53:54] <Neobenedict> it's a physical system
455 [03:54:06] <SerajewelKS> aha
456 [03:54:13] <epsilon> ah ok, not kernel VM thingy :)
457 [03:54:23] <Neobenedict> anyway "mirror does not support
specified release"
458 [03:54:23] <Neobenedict> what
459 [03:54:25] <SerajewelKS> gotta love ambiguous terms
460 [03:54:28] <Neobenedict> and alt+f1 to go back?
461 [03:54:36] <SerajewelKS> yep
462 [03:54:42] <SerajewelKS> that's really odd. maybe try a
different mirror...
463 [03:54:47] <SerajewelKS> that one could be borked at the
moment
464 [03:55:00] <Neobenedict> well alt+f1 isn't doing
anything
465 [03:55:28] <SerajewelKS> add ctrl?
466 [03:56:00] <Neobenedict> nvm shift key was sticky
467 [03:56:05] <Neobenedict> ok so do I press "go back"
or "continue"
468 [03:56:07] <Neobenedict> to change the mirror
469 [03:56:14] <SerajewelKS> yeah i was gonna say, my money would
be on kvm doing something because it should work
470 [03:56:17] <SerajewelKS> go back
471 [03:57:31] <Neobenedict> installing debian is always a
mountain to climb
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473 [03:58:02] <epsilon> go back and select another mirror in
server's neighborhood
474 [03:58:09] <Neobenedict> now it's stuck scanning
475 [03:58:10] <Neobenedict> sigh
476 [03:58:28] <Neobenedict> same error
477 [03:58:30] <epsilon> does it have network?
478 [03:58:50] <SerajewelKS> FWIW i rarely have install issues
with debian :X
479 [03:58:54] <epsilon> you should have been asked for
internet/network setting before partitioning
480 [03:58:57] <Neobenedict> it HAS network
481 [03:58:58] <Neobenedict> HAD
482 [03:58:59] <Neobenedict> *
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484 [03:59:04] <SerajewelKS> but i've also done it *a lot*
(i manage dozens of servers at work)
485 [03:59:12] <Neobenedict> doesn't mean it didn't
take a dump in the last half an hour
486 [03:59:16] <jmabsd> gdy.
487 [03:59:25] <SerajewelKS> can switch to VT2 and try
curling/pinging stuff
488 [03:59:27] <jmabsd> Any more thoughts about how to make
Debian BIOS-MBR-install, let me kow.
489 [03:59:47] <Neobenedict> DNS might be fucked
490 [04:00:01] <Neobenedict> no entire network is down
491 [04:00:02] <Neobenedict> apparently
492 [04:00:22] <epsilon> maybe missing DNS or default gateway...
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494 [04:00:44] <Neobenedict> it was working.
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496 [04:01:37] <epsilon> you can abort the current installation
step and jump back to network setup
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498 [04:02:44] <epsilon> just abort the current step and you get
a menu where all installation steps are listed, you can jump to any
step you want
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500 [04:04:01] <nvz> just dropped this cappy phone tryin to get
it outta my pocket
501 [04:04:27] <nvz> oops wrong channel
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507 [04:08:13] <Neobenedict> okay wtf
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508 [04:08:43] <Neobenedict> how do I always get the most bizarre
errors when installing debian
509 [04:09:15] <Neobenedict> whatever, changing mirror fixed it
510 [04:09:25] <Neobenedict> i think my 10G nic doesn't work
without the correct drivers
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518 [04:16:25] <Neobenedict> well the new system just gets stuck
519 [04:16:30] <Neobenedict> after grub
520 [04:17:02] <Neobenedict> do I need to decrypt before entering
linux from grub?
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523 [04:18:06] <nvz> decrypt a fs? no rootfs is decrypted from
inotrd
524 [04:18:20] <nvz> initrd even
525 [04:18:32] <Neobenedict> it gets here
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526 [04:18:44] <nvz> provided /boot is unecrypted
527 [04:18:49] <Neobenedict> boot is unencrypted yes
528 [04:18:53] <Neobenedict> where do I go now to unencrypt the
filesystem
529 [04:19:09] <Neobenedict> pressing the first option hangs the
system it seems
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531 [04:19:46] <nvz> if its setup properly you should be promoted
when initrd loads
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534 [04:19:58] <Neobenedict> so that is *before* grub?
535 [04:20:20] <nvz> no grub loads the kernel and initt
536 [04:20:32] <JohnA> Sometime back I wrote a script to automate
some stuff, one of the things that it did was to setup
"at" to run a job after a delay. It seems that at is not
installed as part of the base system. ?? is the a better alternative
to "at"??
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538 [04:20:42] <Neobenedict> nvs: entering just hangs here
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540 [04:20:52] <Neobenedict> with a blinking cursor
541 [04:20:58] <Neobenedict> nowhere to enter a password
542 [04:21:09] <nvz> initrd int memory and passes control to tje
kernel which m mounts the initrd as rootfs.
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545 [04:22:27] <nvz> background info is required.. sttetch with
stock kernel and rootfs setup default ext4 with luks and lvm by
installer?
546 [04:22:45] <Neobenedict>
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547 [04:22:50] <Neobenedict> yes yes and that ^
548 [04:22:57] <Neobenedict> oh
549 [04:22:58] <Neobenedict> ok
550 [04:23:03] <Neobenedict>
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551 [04:23:04] <Neobenedict> it took its time
552 [04:23:12] <Neobenedict> but what are these errors
553 [04:23:41] <nvz> idk but prob either s o
554 [04:24:03] <nvz> bios or lvmetad would be my guess
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556 [04:24:34] <nvz> im on crappy cell i just dropped and crackd
557 [04:24:47] <nvz> not seen those photos
558 [04:25:33] <nvz> would be a huge ordeal for me to look at
those right now
559 [04:26:00] <Neobenedict> well it seems to work now
560 [04:26:02] <Neobenedict> just spews errors
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563 [04:27:51] <nvz> i see msgs on mine too usualy some bios crap
564 [04:28:25] <nvz> goes to passwd prompt almost immeditely
after grub though
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566 [04:29:12] <nvz> if you see lvmetad errors though could be
lag searching for rootfs partition
567 [04:30:36] <nvz> which usually only arises out of miscpnfig
or actual issue with accessing or findng the rootfs device to run
cryptsetup
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579 [04:46:17] <SerajewelKS> Neobenedict: those errors are
expected
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581 [04:46:57] <SerajewelKS> Neobenedict: the kernel looks around
for your / and /storage1 volumes and goes "wtf they aren't
here" and spits errors. then it goes "maybe they're
beneath other layers" (encryption/lvm) and starts probing for
those. it finds encrypted volumes so it prompts for the passphrase.
582 [04:47:10] <SerajewelKS> tl;dr is the kernel trying to find
your filesystems that are on top of luks and lvm
583 [04:47:11] <Neobenedict> SerajewelKS: there a way to tell it
not to look around?
584 [04:47:18] <Neobenedict> and speed up boot
585 [04:47:27] <SerajewelKS> it won't speed up boot
586 [04:47:34] <Neobenedict> or not produce ugly errors
587 [04:47:35] <Neobenedict> either way
588 [04:48:16] <SerajewelKS> not to my knowledge
589 [04:48:31] <SerajewelKS> they're inconsequential
590 [04:48:37] <SerajewelKS> all of my systems using luks do the
same thing
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601 [05:06:40] <rant> JohnA: chron is in the base install
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603 [05:08:38] <rant> cron even
604 [05:09:05] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS: so the "gdisk"
program converts GPT to MBR, great. now let's see how to
install grub on the mbr..
605 [05:09:55] <rant> as our forefathers did in colonial days :P
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611 [05:16:56] <ryouma> themill: conf.d?
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619 [05:23:08] <jmabsd> urr, Grub says "Installing for
i386-pc platform. grub-install: warning: File system `ext2'
doesn't support embedding."
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622 [05:24:37] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: are you trying to install it
to a partition?
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624 [05:24:56] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS: yes! so both to
"sda" and "sda2", is that a problem?
625 [05:25:09] <jmabsd> googling for it it looks to me like
it's fine anyhow
626 [05:25:11] <SerajewelKS> using partitions is deprecated IIRC,
it's not that useful
627 [05:25:22] <SerajewelKS> installing it to the disk device is
the usual way you'd do it
628 [05:25:31] <jmabsd> aha hm.
629 [05:27:23] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS: actually which program is
the Curl UI wherein it asked me what disks and partitions i wanted
to install to ??
630 [05:27:36] <SerajewelKS> curl UI? what?
631 [05:28:07] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS: first time i did "apt
install grub-pc grub-pc-bin", I got a Curl UI asking me what
disks and partitions i want to install grub to.
632 [05:28:17] <SerajewelKS> you mean ncurses?
633 [05:28:48] <rant> jmabsd: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
634 [05:28:58] <jmabsd> cool thanks!!
635 [05:29:22] <SerajewelKS> curl is a utility for fetching stuff
over HTTP
636 [05:29:46] <rant> libncurses is the console UI
637 [05:30:17] <jmabsd> ahh i meant curses UI, sorry.
638 [05:30:24] <rant> which fwiw thats called debconf and also
has readline, gtk, and qt interfaces
639 [05:30:36] <jmabsd> rant: cool, actually where is that config
file located?
640 [05:30:45] <jmabsd> aha.
641 [05:31:21] <SerajewelKS> what config file
642 [05:31:51] <rant> dpkg, debconf
643 [05:31:51] <dpkg> [debconf] Debian's configuration
management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking
and storing configuration-related settings.
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645 [05:32:21] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS,rant: "dpkg-reconfigure
grub-pc" produces a config file for grub that's located
somewhere, is it /etc/grub.d ??
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647 [05:32:35] <jmabsd> "grep sda /etc/grub.d/*" gives
nothing
648 [05:32:41] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: doesn't that just
reinstall grub to the MBR?
649 [05:32:50] <SerajewelKS> are you thinking of update-grub?
650 [05:32:51] <jmabsd> yea it does
651 [05:32:56] <rant> its in /boot/grub/
652 [05:33:08] <SerajewelKS> reinstalling grub to the MBR
doesn't change any config
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654 [05:33:24] <SerajewelKS> update-grub probes for things that
can be booted and rewrites the config in /boot/grub
655 [05:33:36] <rant> the /etc/ is on the rootfs and isnt
accessible if /boot is seperate and / in encrypted
656 [05:33:58] <jmabsd> ah cool, great, thanks
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658 [05:34:07] <SerajewelKS> and you usually don't want the
config in /etc anyway because you might have multiple linux /
partitions
659 [05:34:25] <SerajewelKS> if you require it to be in /etc then
you tie the boot config to a specific install of linux and
that's not good
660 [05:34:53] <jmabsd> rant,SerajewelKS: "grep -r sda
/boot/grub/*" also gives nothing, weird.
661 [05:35:05] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: IIRC by default it uses
volume UUIDs
662 [05:35:10] <jmabsd> ah.
663 [05:35:26] <rant> yeah someone was in here the other day
asking questions about dual booting two linux installs and they had
two different /boot partitions for no apparent reason
664 [05:35:29] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: run 'lsblk -o
+uuid'
665 [05:35:47] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: you'll see the UUID for
your / volume somewhere in the grub config
666 [05:36:41] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS,rant: aha, so, even while i
install grub to SDA, then still the Grub installer will resolve my
sda2 partition's UUID and use that one in the config file as
target?
667 [05:36:42] <jmabsd> weird but ok
668 [05:36:48] <SerajewelKS> Neobenedict: ^ btw that lsblk
command is super useful to see how all of your virtual devices are
nested, since you're using luks and lvm
669 [05:36:54] <jmabsd> i guess the disk has no uuid, so just
getting uuid of some partition is most practical
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673 [05:37:30] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: the UUID is of the
filesystem itself, not the disk or the partition. this is good
because it means that you can put the disk in another machine,
transfer the filesystem to another disk, stick it back in, and grub
can still find it.
674 [05:37:33] <jmabsd> ok, time to reboot, see if it works
675 [05:37:46] <SerajewelKS> because nothing in grub cares where
the filesystem is, it just looks around for something with that UUID
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677 [05:38:01] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS: well *which*
partition's filesystem does it choose for UUID then?
678 [05:38:03] <rant> technically the partition has a UUID too
but thats not the one used
679 [05:38:11] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: whatever / is
680 [05:38:13] <jmabsd> the first partition in the MBR
partitioning table which has been marked as MBR-bootable?
681 [05:38:16] <jmabsd> oh
682 [05:38:22] <jmabsd> you mean /boot ?
683 [05:38:24] <SerajewelKS> rant: right that's what i
meant, to differentiate the two
684 [05:38:26] <jmabsd> whatever /boot is ?
685 [05:38:29] <SerajewelKS> no
686 [05:38:37] <SerajewelKS> grub reads the config from /boot. it
already knows where that is.
687 [05:38:52] <SerajewelKS> but once grub is loaded it has to
know where the filesystem that becomes the root is, e.g. /
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691 [05:39:10] <SerajewelKS> putting the UUID of the /boot
filesystem in /boot would be silly. now you have a chicken and egg
problem.
692 [05:39:22] <SerajewelKS> you have to read something from
/boot to know where /boot is? that wouldn't work.
693 [05:39:24] <jmabsd> uu ok
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695 [05:39:35] <jmabsd> very well, let's try. :)
696 [05:40:47] <SerajewelKS> grub's job is to load the
kernel and tell the kernel where stuff is
697 [05:40:54] <SerajewelKS> in particular where / is
698 [05:40:59] <rant> do or do not there is no try </yoda>
699 [05:40:59] <SerajewelKS> that's why the UUID of / is in
grub's config
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710 [05:47:47] <Neobenedict> so yeah, is there some way to clean
this output up a bit
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712 [05:49:04] <Neobenedict> i'm also wondering how whack
HP's kvm console is now
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718 [05:54:45] <jmabsd> For higher res console on boot just add
" vga=0x0307" to the kernel configuration in
"dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" right?
719 [05:54:52] <jmabsd> =1280x1024x8
720 [05:55:45] <jmabsd> worked, yey!
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722 [05:56:22] <JohnA> I answer to my ? people have suggested
cron, I don't see how that will allow me to automatically
schedule a task to start 90 sec from the end of the job I am running
now.
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730 [06:01:08] <rant> JohnA: task1; sleep 90; task2
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741 [06:09:26] <JohnA> rant, I tried that, but it does not work,
or I couldn't get it to work as I wanted. I need to run task1,
logoff leaving task2 to start n seconds after I leave.
742 [06:09:58] <JohnA> rant, No I am not build a software bomb!
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750 [06:19:30] <SerajewelKS> JohnA: atd can do that but the
lowest granularity it has is minutes: task1 && echo task2 |
at now + 2 minutes && exit
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752 [06:20:01] <SerajewelKS> or you could just nohup a script
753 [06:20:20] <SerajewelKS> task1 && nohup sh -c
'sleep 90; task2' && exit
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850 [07:40:46] <melissa666> I am unable to play videos on Youtube
in Chromium, but they work fine in Firefox. In chromium it just
indefinitely displays "loading" gif, with no video
playback ... and then after a bit says "If video playback
doesn't begin shortly, try restarting your device." (which
doesn't fix it). Is there some package I need for HTML5 video
in chromium? I feel like either an update broke something, or a
851 [07:40:52] <melissa666> dependency might have been
uninstalled accidentally, because it used to work.
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853 [07:41:16] <melissa666> I can't figure out how to
determine cause, because there are no other error messages other
than the "Try restarting" thing
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857 [07:42:34] <melissa666> ... some video sites work (for
instance dailymotion) ... so it's not like video/audio are
completely broken. it's just youtube :( ...
858 [07:42:38] <jmabsd> "lsmod | grep kvm" prints
"kvm_intel 200704 0\nkvm 598016 1 kvm_intel\nirqbypass 16384 1
kvm". What are the criteria that tell me that KVM is fully
enabled?
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929 [09:01:52] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: perhaps the presence of
/dev/kvm, and i'm not sure what you mean by "fully"
enabled
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940 [09:06:54] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS: fully enabled as in KVM will
actually work. if you see in the output i posted, there is a third
column there, for some rows it's "1" for others
it's "0"
941 [09:07:03] <jmabsd> i wonder if that means "active"
or something else
942 [09:07:18] <telmich> good morning
943 [09:07:26] <telmich> does anyone know why lxd is in ubuntu,
but not in Debian?
944 [09:08:49] <Unit193> lxd isn't in Ubuntu as a package,
only a snap. IIRC, one problem is that it's using a forked
sqlite3?
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1016 [09:21:37] <ueb> hello
1017 [09:22:06] <ueb> I've got a problem with a client SSL
connection on Debian 8, while on Debian 9 it works
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1019 [09:22:31] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: the third columns is just
the use count of the module, e.g. how many parts of the kernel are
using it
1020 [09:22:45] <SerajewelKS> column*
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1022 [09:23:08] <SerajewelKS> ueb: jessie is likely missing the CA
1023 [09:23:16] <SerajewelKS> ueb: upgrade to stretch or install
the CA manually
1024 [09:23:21] <ueb> on Debian 8 there is OpenSSL 1.0.1 while on
Debian 9 there is OpenSSL 1.1.0
1025 [09:23:27] <ueb> CA ?
1026 [09:23:34] <SerajewelKS> certificate authority
1027 [09:23:53] <ueb> how could I install CA on Debian 8 ?
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1030 [09:25:07] <ueb> SerajewelKS: thanks for your answer, how
could I install CA on Debian 8 ?
1031 [09:25:10] <SerajewelKS> first we need to verify that's
the problem
1032 [09:25:15] <SerajewelKS> is this an https server or something
else?
1033 [09:25:43] <ueb> yes, it's a https server, with a REST
api
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1036 [09:27:03] <SerajewelKS> ueb: on debian 8 can you pastebin
the output of 'curl -v
replaced-url
1037 [09:27:08] <ueb> I tested the connection with CURL too, and I
see different responses
1038 [09:27:27] <ueb> SerajewelKS: ok now I make a pastebin
1039 [09:27:51] <SerajewelKS> !paste
1040 [09:27:51] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
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1043 [09:29:33] <ueb> SerajewelKS: it replies with status 401
Unauthorized
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1057 [09:32:51] <SerajewelKS> ueb: okay and what does that have to
do with SSL?
1058 [09:32:53] <ueb> SerajewelKS:
replaced-url
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1061 [09:33:38] <SerajewelKS> that's just the server saying
that you aren't supplying valid credentials
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1067 [09:34:11] <ueb> it's a call to an HTTPS webserver, it
works on Debian 9 while it doesn't work on Debian 8
1068 [09:34:11] <SerajewelKS> the only time a 401 error would be
related to SSL is if the service expects a client certificate
1069 [09:34:29] <SerajewelKS> yes, and the TLS negotiation
succeeds
1070 [09:34:35] <SerajewelKS> so again, what makes you think this
is related to SSL?
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1072 [09:34:43] <ueb> I made this call from 2 servers on the same
LAN, and it works on Debian 9
1073 [09:35:02] <SerajewelKS> that's entirely possible, but i
don't see any indication here that it's related to SSL
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1075 [09:35:22] <SerajewelKS> more likely the server is blocking a
specific curl user-agent
1076 [09:35:23] <ueb> I don't know the cause and how to solve
it
1077 [09:35:27] <SerajewelKS> have you tried changing the
user-agent string?
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1079 [09:36:05] <ueb> no I did not try to change the user-agent
string, because I have the same problem calling it from java..
1080 [09:36:09] <SerajewelKS> can you run this same command (with
-v) on a debian 9 server?
1081 [09:36:12] <ueb> however that's try it
1082 [09:36:19] <SerajewelKS> and pastebin that result?
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1084 [09:36:32] <ueb> ok now I pastebin it
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1088 [09:37:06] <SerajewelKS> 401 is an HTTP level error, and if
you made it that far to where you're talking HTTP, then the SSL
connection is fine
1089 [09:37:27] <SerajewelKS> so this is almost certainly entirely
unrelated to SSL and more related to the HTTP request itself
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1091 [09:37:54] <ueb> SerajewelKS:
replaced-url
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1093 [09:39:12] <SerajewelKS> i just tried curl'ing the same
URL from a debian 9 server i have and i also got a 401
1094 [09:39:30] <SerajewelKS> the version of debian is likely
irrelevant. to the servers all NAT to the same public IP, or do they
have distinct public IPs?
1095 [09:39:58] <ueb> SerajewelKS: it's blocking not allowed
IPs
1096 [09:40:06] <ueb> my IP is white listed
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1098 [09:40:19] <SerajewelKS> do all of the servers on your LAN
NAT to the same public IP though?
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1100 [09:40:34] <SerajewelKS> it sounds like the debian 8 server
is making the request from a different source IP
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1102 [09:41:01] <ueb> SerajewelKS: both servers have same public
IP because are on the same router
1103 [09:41:15] <SerajewelKS> being on the same router does not
necessarily mean they have the same public IP
1104 [09:41:26] <ueb> they're VM servers I created
1105 [09:41:34] <SerajewelKS> on both machines, run 'curl
api.ipify.org; echo' and verify that the public IPs match
1106 [09:41:39] <ueb> ok lets test their public IPs
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1109 [09:41:57] <SerajewelKS> if they do match then i'm out
of ideas, but i can tell you that my debian 9 server has the same
error
1110 [09:43:02] <ueb> SerajewelKS: you're right :) for some
strange reason they're connected to two different routers!
1111 [09:43:10] <SerajewelKS> :)
1112 [09:43:12] <ueb> one is connected to the backup router!
1113 [09:43:15] <ueb> :))
1114 [09:43:17] <SerajewelKS> there you go
1115 [09:43:39] <SerajewelKS> i gotta run to bed, sounds like you
know how to fix it now
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1120 [09:46:34] <ueb> SerajewelKS: surely it will work when
they'll whitelist my ip.. :)
1121 [09:46:45] <SerajewelKS> that or connect it to the other
router
1122 [09:46:53] <SerajewelKS> either should work
1123 [09:47:01] <ueb> it's many days I'm fighting
against this!! :)
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1127 [09:48:47] <SerajewelKS> sometimes it's the simple thing
you never expected
1128 [09:49:08] <ueb> SerajewelKS: thank you very much for your
help!
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1130 [09:49:13] <SerajewelKS> no problem
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1132 [09:50:28] <ueb> are you a system admin or developer?
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1135 [09:51:10] <Ingvix> Did I miss some relevant option as
I've build debian kernel with "bash
debian/bin/test-patches" and I can't install the kernel
deb as it conflicts with the current installed kernel which I do not
hope to remove at this point. How to install it alongside with the
current kernel?
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1173 [09:58:48] <XsiSec> hi guys
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1185 [10:00:12] <Ingvix> I build it as instructed here
replaced-url
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1279 [11:09:17] <debianAverageUse> anybody here ?
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1311 [11:28:30] <Arina>
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1336 [11:55:06] <rafalcpp_> uuu a critical security bug in systemd
CVE-2019-3842
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1341 [11:56:48] <Fox> rafalcpp_: already fixed in stretch
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1357 [12:01:13] <jelly> rafalcpp_: /msg dpkg cve lookup
CVE-2019-3842
1358 [12:01:23] <jelly> or not
1359 [12:01:25] <at0m>
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1360 [12:01:40] <at0m> fixed in sid and stretch.
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1364 [12:02:46] <lxsameer> hey folks, is there any service on
debian which is enabled by default and uses snmp?
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1415 [12:25:27] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Has anyone here used InkScape
from the Experimental dist?
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1417 [12:26:18] <Lady_Aleena> Also, how do I install from the
Experimental dist? I can't remember how to install from other
dists.
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1419 [12:26:39] <Unit193> -t experimental ?
1420 [12:27:15] * themill cautions against doing so
1421 [12:28:08] <Lady_Aleena> themill, may I ask why? InkScape
before that version is driving me crazy by not having the top left
hand corner of the workspace set to 0, 0.
1422 [12:28:40] <Unit193> You likely shouldn't have
experimental while using stable, though..
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1424 [12:28:50] <Lady_Aleena> I've been told that 1.0-alpha
has the ability to set the top left corner to 0, 0.
1425 [12:29:02] <Lady_Aleena> I'm using old stable.
1426 [12:29:24] <Lady_Aleena> I haven't upgraded from jessie
yet.
1427 [12:29:28] <themill> then you're definitely not using
packages from experimental
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1430 [12:30:19] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, it seems that I won't be
working in InkScape any time soon. Thanks.
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1433 [12:31:10] <GNU\colossus> upgrading to Debian 9 usually
isn't hard. what keeps you from doing it?
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1435 [12:31:33] <Lady_Aleena> GNU\colossus, there is something
wiggy in my system. I can't remember what it was though.
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1437 [12:32:15] <Lady_Aleena> Also, I haven't backed things
up yet. It is such a pain to do it.
1438 [12:33:06] <Lady_Aleena> The wiggy thing has probably
scrolled out of my chat buffer.
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1448 [12:39:55] <rafalcpp> that systemd ssh bug CVE-2019-3842 had
what impact, could remote attacker with non-root ssh access escelate
to root, or do what exactly?
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1451 [12:40:15] <Lady_Aleena> Yes, the wiggy thing has scrolled
out of my buffer, so I can't say what was wrong.
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1470 [12:49:54] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, and when I boot, I see
"ata3: SRST failed (errorno=-16)" and haven't figured
out what that is.
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1480 [12:55:51] <__m4ch1n3__> Lady_Aleena,
replaced-url
1481 [12:56:03] <__m4ch1n3__> maybe your kernel is corrupted
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1488 [12:58:00] <Lady_Aleena> A corrupt kernel can still run?
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1495 [13:00:51] <GNU\colossus> that mesage _could_ hint at a
hardware problem
1496 [13:01:10] <GNU\colossus> message*
1497 [13:01:32] <GNU\colossus> I think you should establish a
regular, recurring backup routine :)
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1501 [13:02:00] <GNU\colossus> if you don't have a particular
solution you want to use, check out restic:
replaced-url
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1503 [13:02:14] <GNU\colossus> (you can download a single binary
that will run on jessie as well as stretch)
1504 [13:02:15] <Lady_Aleena> GNU\colossus, one of my back up
devices (my thumb drive) is dead, so all I have left is my two
additional hard drives.
1505 [13:02:53] <GNU\colossus> thumb drives make crappy backup
destinations due to their overall rather brittle reliability
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1507 [13:02:56] <GNU\colossus> (generally speaking)
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1509 [13:03:58] <Lady_Aleena> GNU\colossus, I run these rsyncs.
replaced-url
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1512 [13:04:31] <GNU\colossus> Lady_Aleena, I suppose that's
fine if you don't want/need revisions
1513 [13:04:52] <GNU\colossus> but if you've got an hour to
spare, investigate alternatives to a homegrown solution like yours
1514 [13:04:58] <Lady_Aleena> GNU\colossus, I can't find a
version system I like yet.
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1518 [13:05:43] <GNU\colossus> restic is awesome - you just mount
the repository (= the place where restic keeps your backups) as a
regular fuse filesystem, and you'll have a snapshot exposed as
a directory in that mountpoint
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1520 [13:05:54] <GNU\colossus> so you can use rsync or cp or
whatever file manager you want to restore
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1522 [13:06:33] <Lady_Aleena> GNU\colossus, you are talking over
my head now. I know very little about repositories and versioning.
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1525 [13:07:23] <GNU\colossus> a "repository" in restic
speak is just a special directory that contains your backup data
(your current data and all its history you instructed restic to
keep) in encrypted form
1526 [13:07:24] <Lady_Aleena> The closest thing I've gotten
to versioning is on Wikipedia.
1527 [13:07:43] <GNU\colossus> you don't have to interact
with that repo; restic does it for you
1528 [13:07:54] <GNU\colossus> it'S rather user-friendly imo
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1530 [13:09:44] <Lady_Aleena> GNU\colossus, you part of the
development team for rustic? 8)
1531 [13:11:14] <GNU\colossus> no, I don't speak golang :)
but the creators are very nice people, and always helpful. I
promised to contribute a wrapper around restic that we created at
work to do pull-style, centrally orchestrated backups, but that kind
of fell off the radar... :x
1532 [13:12:37] <Lady_Aleena> I just backed everything up that I
want to be sure of. Now to find upgrading to 9 for dummies/idiots.
1533 [13:13:42] <GNU\colossus> just follow
replaced-url
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1536 [13:17:42] <Lady_Aleena> I'm reading
replaced-url
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1542 [13:21:54] <worker> anyone has any idea when debian 10 is
released ?
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1545 [13:24:46] <avu> worker: sometime later this year, probably
1546 [13:25:40] <worker> ty
1547 [13:25:41] <themill> !wwbr
1548 [13:25:41] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" started the
<freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019.
replaced-url
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1550 [13:26:11] <worker> i thought this channel to be really dead
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1552 [13:26:16] <worker> idled here a couple of days ago
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1554 [13:26:55] <avu> you were here for a full 7 minutes :)
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1558 [13:28:39] <worker> yeye didnt mean now
1559 [13:28:51] <worker> different nicks etc
1560 [13:29:43] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, got a headache.
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1563 [13:31:05] <worker> im just happy this channel is alive lmao
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1579 [13:43:45] <scx> Hello
1580 [13:43:47] <scx> Anyone on armv7 here?
1581 [13:44:18] <scx> I need output of: uname -p
1582 [13:46:29] <SwedeMike> scx: Linux wrt1200-hemma 4.14.95 #0
SMP Mon Jan 28 08:54:32 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux
1583 [13:46:45] <SwedeMike> scx: but this is not debian kernel.
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1591 [13:55:18] <scx> SwedeMike: thanks
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1599 [13:59:31] <andi_> hello, i if i want to install gitlab in a
lan, what can i use for the external_url?
1600 [13:59:39] <andi_> i just want to access it via ip at first
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1645 [14:17:29] <yokowka> heavenO everysoul
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1647 [14:18:15] <hassoon> 'evening
1648 [14:18:21] <hassoon> ow we reached 9.8 already ?
1649 [14:18:42] <hassoon> i still remember when wheezy was the
stable version back in like ~2013 or so
1650 [14:18:53] <yokowka> hassoon i prefer 10th debian
1651 [14:18:54] <hassoon> time moves on sooooo fast
1652 [14:19:02] <hassoon> yokowka: buster ?
1653 [14:19:08] <yokowka> yep
1654 [14:19:30] <yokowka> when he will apear?
1655 [14:20:13] <Fox> !wwbr
1656 [14:20:13] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" started the
<freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019.
replaced-url
1657 [14:20:48] <yokowka> what is mid?
1658 [14:21:03] <Fox> middle
1659 [14:21:19] <yokowka> Fox bles you heavens!!!!
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1661 [14:21:52] <yokowka> How i can help debian to apear buster
greatly?
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1664 [14:22:43] <themill> Fixing bugs, mostly:
replaced-url
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1666 [14:25:07] <yokowka> themil is it can shark translate on
Rus' yazyk??
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1675 [14:27:31] * jelly wonders if themill knows what a yazyk (=
language) is
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1688 [14:36:58] <jelly> !qotd0
1689 [14:36:58] <dpkg> <stew> autovaccum was killing the box
before and I had to kill the postgres cluster. the stupid plugin
author was too dumb to make the bot plugin pick up a new database
connection <stew> (I'm the stupid plugin author)
1690 [14:37:20] <wwilliam> hello can i sshfs mount a remote share
to 2 different mount points at the same time?
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1692 [14:37:59] <jelly> wwilliam: it is very likely you can mount
it two times
1693 [14:38:53] <wwilliam> no i/0 issues or anything?
1694 [14:38:57] <jim> hmm, whatever happened to stew? haven't
seen him for awhile
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1698 [14:39:42] <jelly> wwilliam: do not expect contents to be
synchronized right away.
1699 [14:40:04] <jelly> wwilliam: also consider using a bind mount
1700 [14:40:24] <jelly> !bind mount
1701 [14:40:24] <dpkg> If you want to bind mount a directory
somewhere else: mount -t $filesystem --bind /dev
/chrooted/system/dev (for example). $filesystem is whatever FS that
directory is mounted as, be it tmpfs or jfs or .... read man mount
(and do /bind) for details.
1702 [14:40:48] <wwilliam> bind?
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1704 [14:41:08] <jim> it means mount a dir onto another dir
1705 [14:41:16] <hassoon> jelly: thought for an instant that you
are a bot
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1707 [14:41:33] <wwilliam> thanks jim
1708 [14:41:37] <wwilliam> thanks jelly
1709 [14:41:39] <jim> also I would think that bind mounts
don't need a filesystem type
1710 [14:41:51] <jelly> no. fellow human. I am most certainly an
organic human person, like you. hassoon.
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1712 [14:42:24] <BotaniCar> jelly has less bugs than a average
robot :) Highly polished !
1713 [14:42:48] <hassoon> jelly: alright then :>
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1716 [14:43:39] <wwilliam> right now im using this but this remote
dir may have to be mounted again somewhere else on another users dir
1717 [14:43:41] <wwilliam> sshfs -o password_stdin
"ftpuser"@"10.10.10.10":"/some/path/"
"/home/user/mymnt" <<< "somepw"
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1721 [14:46:25] <jelly> wwilliam: each user may mount the same
remote directory with their own sshfs if they so choose
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1726 [14:47:40] <wwilliam> Thank you jelly
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1748 [14:58:01] <Wulf> Hello! Where can I find a mirror for
wheezy-updates? It's not on archive.debian.org; is the only
place snapshot.debian.org?
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1751 [14:58:50] <greycat> wheezy-updates and jessie-updates no
longer exist. Simply do not attempt to use them. There wouldn't
be anything there even if they DID exist, which they don't.
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1753 [14:59:27] <Wulf> greycat: what about any packages that once
existed there? Have they been merged into just "wheezy"?
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1755 [14:59:43] <greycat> Yes, long long long ago.
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1757 [15:00:00] <Wulf> thanks, great to hear that.
1758 [15:00:03] <greycat> foo-updates is just a temporary staging
ground for things that are slated to go out in the next stable
point-release
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1760 [15:00:44] <Wulf> ah, right. I keep forgetting this. So after
each point release, -updates will be quite empty?
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1762 [15:01:23] <greycat> That's the idea, at least.
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1770 [15:03:17] <Wulf> What about jessie-backports? It exists in
the archives, but the Release file expired. Is that to be expected
too? I know that this can be ignored with some setting.
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1772 [15:03:40] <greycat> Either tell apt to disregard the
expiration dates, or change the system time.
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1780 [15:10:42] <jelly> !valid-until
1781 [15:10:42] <dpkg> rumour has it, valid-until is
apt-get/aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false ...
1782 [15:10:45] <jelly> Wulf: ^
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1785 [15:11:19] <greycat> you can also drop an option in apt.conf
as described on (e.g.)
replaced-url
1786 [15:12:20] <jelly> that makes you susceptible to someone
replacing all your repos with older insecure snapshots
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1790 [15:13:39] <jelly> really really new apt (buster) has an
option to enable valid-until for each deb line in sources.list
separately
1791 [15:14:51] <Wulf> Wouldn't it be better if I could
specify a minimum date?
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1876 [16:11:18] <marconline> to clamAv or not to clamAv on a
personal PC?
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1879 [16:12:06] <petn-randall> marconline: Can you rephrase you
question?
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1882 [16:14:01] <greycat> The only reason anyone ever uses clamav
is to be able to check the box that says "Yes, I have an av
installed" on some bureaucrat's form.
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1884 [16:14:24] <marconline> is it suggested to use an anti-virus
program like clamAv?
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1887 [16:18:37] <petn-randall> marconline: If you want to scan
software that is primarily used for Windows, yes.
1888 [16:18:45] <petn-randall> s/for/on/
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1890 [16:19:33] <greycat> I've always wondered what kind of
services actually expose files containing windows viruses in the
clear to an av program, other than email.
1891 [16:20:16] <greycat> Maybe if you're executing windows
programs in Wine, or some kind of binary emulation...
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1899 [16:22:23] <greycat> Or, I guess, if you're running a
Samba server that hosts Windows files, some of which may be
programs. Or some of which may contain windows application bug
exploits, like infected Microsoft Excel spreadsheets, if those kinds
of bugs still exist (I'm betting they do).
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1902 [16:22:42] <petn-randall> greycat: You've got a large
Windows share where developers dump their files for others.
You'd be surprised how often it occurs that a virus-ridden
executable lands on there.
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1904 [16:23:13] <greycat> OK, that makes sense.
1905 [16:23:46] <greycat> marconline: you understand that clamav
is used to scan for WINDOWS virus, right? In programs that are
executed or used on Microsoft Windows.
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1911 [16:25:48] <petn-randall> There's are a couple of
signatures for Mac OS and Linux, but there aren't that many.
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1939 [16:39:45] <marconline> greycat, I wans't aware of that.
thanks for letting me know.
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1951 [16:45:00] <nojake> hi. is it usual the jessie live debian
installation is configured to launch that avahi-daemon?
1952 [16:47:04] <petn-randall> nojake: Could have been, yeah. Note
that jessie is out of support for quite a while now.
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1955 [16:47:52] <greycat> You could ask #debian-live on the OFTC
network.
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1959 [16:48:42] <nojake> jessie is out of support? what distri is
recommended then?
1960 [16:48:57] <nojake> or version, or what the term is.
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1962 [16:49:13] <jelly> debian 9 is the current stable release,
codename stretch
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1964 [16:49:15] <greycat> Current stable release is stretch,
Debian 9. Buster (10) is next, probably coming out later this year.
1965 [16:49:21] <petn-randall> Debian stretch, which has been out
been released two years ago.
1966 [16:49:28] <jelly> SO OLD
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1969 [16:50:37] <nojake> oh. okay. good to know. thanks. that
avahi-daemon. any idea why it would be pre-configured to run? and/or
what that mdns thing is good for?
1970 [16:50:59] <GNU\colossus> it's for service discovery in
LANs
1971 [16:51:02] <greycat> !mdns
1972 [16:51:02] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, mdns is a
Multicast <Domain Name System> for use on local networks. It
is used by <avahi> to set up automagical name resolution using
the <.local domain>.
1973 [16:51:04] <GNU\colossus> a handy thing to have
1974 [16:51:14] <GNU\colossus> and that, too, yeah
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1978 [16:52:27] <nojake> is there a file where eventual names are
configured?
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1980 [16:53:30] <nojake> i guess it would override the dns
configfured for the default network interface?
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1986 [16:59:34] <nojake> lol. this is the 5th installation-trial
now. i'm getting better and better @ screwing things up.
1987 [16:59:35] <jelly> it's good to kill dns resolving
inside old MS AD .foo.local domains
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1989 [17:00:01] <nojake> i have no idea how to do this
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1992 [17:00:51] <nojake> but i guess i will have to install
stretch first. i had no idea.
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1996 [17:02:07] <nojake> and that version i have now seemed weird
from the start. no net-tools installed.
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1998 [17:02:19] <nojake> this is weird no?
1999 [17:02:29] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2002 [17:03:46] <Tenkawa> uggh i hate realtek mmc card readers
2003 [17:04:14] <nojake> thanks
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2006 [17:04:37] <petn-randall> nojake: If you tell us what
you're trying to accomplish we might be able to help you
reaching that goal.
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2013 [17:08:32] <nojake> petn-randall, i just want a stable,
approved debian. best no remote access or anything that would listen
to some port. somebody mentioned debian doesn't listen to
anything by default. yet by now all versions i installed did so
(once apache, once avahi, once dhclient). so i will go for stretch.
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2015 [17:08:47] <nojake> is that information correct?
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2018 [17:10:17] <greycat> You've been using LIVE crap.
That's totally different from an actual Debian installation.
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2020 [17:10:29] <nojake> i see.
2021 [17:10:33] <nojake> oh i see.
2022 [17:10:44] <nojake> thanks a lot.
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2026 [17:11:47] <jelly> nojake: fwiw, debian will only have apache
running after install if you explicitely tell the installer you want
a web server
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2029 [17:13:29] <nojake> back like 10 years ago debian had an
immaculate reputation.. used for servers and blah. i admit i
haven't been much of a linux user, but im glad to see ppl are
still comitted to be helpful
2030 [17:13:51] <jelly> nojake: and dhclient or another dhcp
client is needed to get network working in many setups. Its listener
is part of how dhcp _works_.
2031 [17:14:07] <jelly> it will do the same on stretch
2032 [17:14:18] <jelly> or any linux.
2033 [17:14:20] <petn-randall> nojake: Note that the live system
and the installed system are quite different. Live has a lot of
stuff installed to demo what Debian can do, it's not really
intended for anything beyond that.
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2036 [17:15:43] <nojake> aright, nice. maybe one more thing. can u
give me the exact command i have to use to verify the signature?
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2039 [17:18:14] <nojake> reading man pages is a bit like learning
a language starting at A. :p it's definitely great for deeper
insight, but most of times im totally lost in the forests of options
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2044 [17:18:53] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2047 [17:19:13] <jhutchins_wk> nojake: Man pages vary a lot. Some
are deep in theory and not much practical use, some are great at the
basic tasks but lousy on the "how" part.
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2049 [17:19:25] <jhutchins_wk> nojake: Then there are the ones
that are just the blank template...
2050 [17:19:35] <nojake> hehe
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2054 [17:20:22] <nojake> ic. ok thx @ all. i will retire now and
screw things up a bit.
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2072 [17:24:45] <jelly> enjoy your retirement!
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2210 [18:42:29] <jhutchins_wk> ,
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2249 [19:00:17] <Deihmos> there were some updates released
yesterday. whereon the debian site can i find the details? i cannot
find it
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2251 [19:00:50] <Deihmos>
replaced-url
2252 [19:01:08] <greycat> What updates are you referring to? There
hasn't been a stable point release since February.
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2255 [19:02:44] <greycat> If you mean security patches,
there's a log of recent ones at
replaced-url
2256 [19:03:23] <greycat> You can also subscribe to the
debian-security-announce mailing list to get notices of security
patches mailed to you.
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2260 [19:04:55] <Deihmos> i have that subscription. I didn't
see anything about mono-llvm-tools
2261 [19:05:43] <greycat> ,v mono-llvm-tools
2262 [19:05:44] <judd> No package named
'mono-llvm-tools' was found in amd64.
2263 [19:05:52] <greycat> sounds like a third party package
2264 [19:05:53] <Deihmos> since this update i notice memory use
has dropped by a lot
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2266 [19:07:20] <Deihmos> ok i think i know what it is
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2268 [19:08:01] <greycat> you can run "apt-cache policy
mono-llvm-tools" to see where your system thinks it comes from
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2276 [19:13:34] <Azlux> Is someone know why zram has been remove
from many distrib ?
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2300 [19:29:24] <jhutchins_wk> ,v ansible
2301 [19:29:25] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie:
1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u1; stretch:
2.2.1.0-2; stretch-proposed-updates: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1;
stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports:
2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; sid: 2.7.6+dfsg-1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1
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2329 [19:41:59] <linarcx> Hi. I install debian on my laptop, but i
have no internet connection. what should i do?
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2332 [19:43:03] <MScott> wifi? can you see networks?
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2337 [19:44:29] <linarcx> MScott: Yes, wifi and ethernet. i
can't connect to internet. no ping,..
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2339 [19:45:04] <linarcx> i try to use wpa_supplicant, but it
gives me an error and try to reconnect every time.
2340 [19:45:26] <MScott> nano
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
2341 [19:45:37] <MScott> [device]
2342 [19:45:37] <MScott> wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no
2343 [19:45:40] <MScott> add this
2344 [19:46:02] <linarcx> Is there any network manager service to
enable it?
2345 [19:46:11] <linarcx> i'm in arch. let me go back to
debian.
2346 [19:46:46] <MScott> after edit you need to restart the
service
2347 [19:47:02] <linarcx> MScott: Yes. sure. i get these errors:
replaced-url
2348 [19:47:23] <linarcx> `deauthenticating from *** by local
choice (reason=3)`
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2354 [19:50:16] <linarcx> Where is the log of this channel?
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2357 [19:51:37] <jhutchins_wk> !log
2358 [19:51:38] <dpkg> Logs are what you should always check when
you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask
me about <irclog>.
2359 [19:51:48] <CodeHunter> I had to re-install linux because
there was a package that just wouldn't remove and it
wouldn't let me install stuff because of it. When I
re-installed, it didn't use my old /home drive. Do I have to
re-install again to get the /home drive back?
2360 [19:52:35] <greycat> If your old /home is a separate
partition, just find it and mount it on /home.
2361 [19:52:40] <CodeHunter> I am using an SSD for / and 500Gb
SATA for /home and swap
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2364 [19:53:30] <CodeHunter> When I re-installed I think the / and
/home is all on the SSD
2365 [19:54:10] <greycat> Instead of guessing, you need to find
where the old /home actually is.
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2367 [19:54:46] <CodeHunter> I am only guessing where the current
/home is. old /home is the 500GB sata
2368 [19:54:48] <greycat> If it's a partition, and you manage
to find it, you can use "blkid" to get the UUID for it,
and add an entry to /etc/fstab.
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2371 [19:55:11] <greycat> To see what the current /home is, try
"df /home".
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2373 [19:55:22] <greycat> that'll tell you whether it's
a separate mount point, or just part of /
2374 [19:55:45] <CodeHunter> /dev/sda1 114851940 5864600 103110096
6% /
2375 [19:56:06] <greycat> Then it's just a directory inside /
so you can mount your partition over it, no sweat.
2376 [19:56:21] <greycat> Make sure you're not logged in as a
regular user at the time.
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2471 [20:45:44] <imkillroy> hello, im trying to run a discord bot
on my debian 9 slot, and it is failing to detect my dotnet
installation. the part in the installation that checks for dotnet is
' if hash dotnet 1>/dev/null 2>&1 ', but i do
not have root access on this machine so my install is located at
/media/8d7e/killroy/.dotnet
2472 [20:46:11] <greycat> hash just looks in $PATH
2473 [20:46:36] <imkillroy> so i can just move that script to my
user folder?
2474 [20:46:56] <greycat> make sure the dotnet command is in your
$PATH, either by changing PATH, or by moving dotnet, whichever makes
more sense
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2476 [20:47:38] <imkillroy> im still learning a lot with linux so
im not sure how to do that
2477 [20:47:48] <imkillroy> i saw something mentioned earlier
about --path but it didnt go into much detail
2478 [20:48:12] <greycat> PATH=/media/8d73/killroy/.dotnet:$PATH
2479 [20:48:25] <greycat> or whatever directory the command is
*actually* in
2480 [20:49:38] <imkillroy> hmm, same result
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2482 [20:49:48] <imkillroy> the command is in /killroy/
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2486 [20:50:16] <greycat> PATH=/whaever/you/want:$PATH
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2515 [21:02:38] <imkillroy> yeah im still not sure, support from
my hosting co replied "have you checked that it's not
possible to specify the dotnet location to the "main"
install you want to do?
2516 [21:02:38] <imkillroy> i.e. it might be looking for dotnet
somewhere where it isn't, but could be told to look somewhere
specifically."
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2518 [21:04:11] <SerajewelKS> that's what PATH does
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2520 [21:04:43] <SerajewelKS> after changing PATH appropriately,
what does 'hash dotnet' say?
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2523 [21:05:03] <imkillroy> -bash: hash: dotnet: not found
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2525 [21:05:14] <greycat> then you didn't put the right
directory in PATH
2526 [21:05:16] <SerajewelKS> okay then PATH isn't set right
2527 [21:05:19] <imkillroy> i have only tried changing path to
PATH=/media/8d73/killroy/.dotnet:$PATH
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2529 [21:05:31] <greycat> FIND the command. Find where it ACTUALLY
REALLY is.
2530 [21:05:32] <SerajewelKS> find /media/8d7e/killroy/.dotnet
-name dotnet
2531 [21:05:43] <SerajewelKS> my guess would be
/media/8d7e/killroy/.dotnet/bin but who knows
2532 [21:06:22] <imkillroy> what is "the command"?
inside .dotnet is host sdk and shared, with a dotnet file
2533 [21:06:45] <SerajewelKS> is the dotnet file executable?
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2535 [21:07:37] <imkillroy> how can i check that? im in that
folder and hash dotnet returned the same thing
2536 [21:07:46] <SerajewelKS> ls -l dotnet
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2538 [21:08:12] <imkillroy> -rwx------ 1 killroy killroy 105872
Apr 8 07:42 dotnet
2539 [21:08:23] <SerajewelKS> pwd
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2542 [21:09:06] <imkillroy> /media/8d7e/killroy/.dotnet
2543 [21:09:14] <SerajewelKS> echo $PATH
2544 [21:09:20] <greycat> does the command actually *work*?
2545 [21:09:51] <imkillroy>
/media/8d73/killroy/.dotnet:/media/8d73/killroy/.dotnet:/media/8d7e/killroy/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
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2547 [21:10:10] <SerajewelKS> then 'hash dotnet' should
display its location
2548 [21:10:38] <imkillroy> -bash: hash: dotnet: not found
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2550 [21:10:54] <greycat> if you run it (./dotnet) does it work?
2551 [21:11:02] <SerajewelKS> but we don't know what
modifications your provider might have made to your environment
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2553 [21:11:11] <SerajewelKS> hash should report it there whether
it runs or not
2554 [21:11:21] <greycat> I would've thought so as well, but
who knows
2555 [21:11:34] <SerajewelKS> IME shared hosting providers do
weird shit in the name of security
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2557 [21:11:39] <greycat> maybe the file system has no exec
permissions or something
2558 [21:11:56] <SerajewelKS> that's possible, didn't
think of that -- does bash check that?
2559 [21:12:00] <greycat> I don't know
2560 [21:12:07] <SerajewelKS> i'd think that would just
effectively -x all files
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2564 [21:13:20] <greycat> but seriously, if he just tests whether
it can run at all, that would eliminate a lot of guesswork (wrong
architecture, missing shared libs, no exec perms on the mount, etc.)
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2568 [21:13:49] <imkillroy> how can i do that
2569 [21:13:49] <SerajewelKS> right. but none of that should apply
to hash except maybe noexec, if it checks for that
2570 [21:13:53] <SerajewelKS> imkillroy: ./dotnet
2571 [21:14:29] <imkillroy> Options:
2572 [21:14:29] <imkillroy> -h|--help Display help.
2573 [21:14:29] <imkillroy> --info Display .NET Core information.
2574 [21:14:29] <imkillroy> --list-sdks Display the installed
SDKs.
2575 [21:14:29] <imkillroy> --list-runtimes Display the installed
runtimes.
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2577 [21:14:37] <SerajewelKS> oh i'm dumb, hash doesn't
output _anything_
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2580 [21:14:44] <SerajewelKS> imkillroy: try 'which
dotnet'
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2584 [21:15:03] <SerajewelKS> hash doesn't do output usually
unless there is a problem
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2586 [21:15:24] <imkillroy> which dotnet?
2587 [21:15:25] <greycat> SerajewelKS: but he claimed it was
giving an error message
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2589 [21:16:05] <greycat> and that error is consistent with what
you get if you mistype the command, or if it's not in PATH
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2596 [21:18:44] <linarcx> Gyus, is there any package like
pkgbrowser for debian.
2597 [21:19:04] <ksk> linarcx: what is pkgbrowser?
2598 [21:19:08] <linarcx>
replaced-url
2599 [21:19:11] <SerajewelKS> imkillroy: does 'hash
dotnet' actually say anything?
2600 [21:19:21] <SerajewelKS> imkillroy: or does it just give you
a shell prompt without output
2601 [21:19:30] <ksk> "A utility for browsing pacman
databases and the AUR
2602 [21:19:31] <ksk> "
2603 [21:19:32] <linarcx> A gui application that you can track all
installed packaes and their dependencies.
2604 [21:19:35] <ksk> linarcx: how about aptitude?
2605 [21:19:38] <imkillroy> -bash: hash: dotnet: not found
2606 [21:19:45] <SerajewelKS> that's weird
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2608 [21:20:09] <ksk> linarcx: there are also full GUI things
around, synaptic or so?
2609 [21:20:10] <SerajewelKS> all i can suggest is that your
hosting provider made changes but hell if i know what changes they
would've made to cause this
2610 [21:20:31] <imkillroy> alright, thanks for your help
2611 [21:20:34] <SerajewelKS> np
2612 [21:20:39] <linarcx> ksk: I don't try them. this is
first time i'm useing debian. Let me try them :)
2613 [21:20:45] <SerajewelKS> FYI shared providers usually
aren't the best for installing your own custom binaries
2614 [21:20:47] <ksk> linarcx: aptitude has a "GUI" in
console, and synaptic is a desktop thingy.
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2616 [21:21:00] <linarcx> ksk: cool.
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2618 [21:21:03] <SerajewelKS> consider a linode or AWS EC2 server
2619 [21:21:23] <SerajewelKS> you get root access to your own VM
and can install anything you want (within their terms of service,
anyway)
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2622 [21:21:56] <SerajewelKS> shared hosting usually costs more
for some reason, and can do far less. i don't know why anyone
buys shared hosting these days.
2623 [21:22:17] <ksk> because clicky and not having to worry about
anything I suppose :)
2624 [21:22:37] <ksk> Things are not working? call the hotline.
good luck calling aws ;)
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2626 [21:23:11] <SerajewelKS> well yes, the support is for
different things. aws will help you with an operational problem on
their end that keeps your server from working but they're not
going to help you set up nginx.
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2629 [21:23:48] <ksk> Im totally on your page, I can just imagine
some people have other needs.
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2632 [21:25:27] <imkillroy> its just a seedbox for private
trackers and plex
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2637 [21:25:47] <imkillroy> i recently got a ovh vps box and got
this running there without issue
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2643 [21:31:26] <twobitsprite> So, I tried to use reportbug once a
few weeks ago, and now exim keeps trying to deliver an email. I
don't need it to deliver the mail, but I keep getting mail
about failed delivery? How do I get exim to give up and stop trying
to send this mail?
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2663 [21:44:20] <independent> Hi
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2669 [21:48:22] <TurqFlame> independent: Hi
2670 [21:48:29] <independent> :)
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2699 [22:09:10] <SerajewelKS> twobitsprite: 'mailq' will
show you a list of mail in the queue
2700 [22:09:38] <SerajewelKS> twobitsprite: if there's only
one item, it's probably that message. 'exim -Mrm $ID'
will delete that message. (the id is the third column of mailq
output)
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2705 [22:10:57] <zetuno> HI I have a "PC401 NVMe SK hynix
512GB" ssd in this laptop and the weekly build of the nonfree
installer doesn't show the drive. how do i check compatibility
for this hardware?
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2710 [22:12:25] <jhutchins_wk> zetuno: Find someone else who has
one and ask them?
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2712 [22:12:42] <jhutchins_wk> zetuno: You could try different
live images and see if something detects it.
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2718 [22:14:38] <jhutchins_wk> zetuno: If it's the standard
drive for that model laptop, you can search for posts by people
using that laptop with linux.
2719 [22:14:49] <SerajewelKS> if it shows up in lspci output,
google the id
2720 [22:15:01] <jhutchins_wk> zetuno: There are hardware
compatibility databases, but they rely on people posting reports.
2721 [22:15:13] <jhutchins_wk> lspci -nn
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2830 [23:15:39] <TuxBlackEdo> I got got some problems with debian
stretch's installer. I provide a ip/gw/netmask to the installer
to grab a preseed file. The installer attempts to grab the preseed
file before the network link becomes active, displaying an error
"Failed to retreive the preconfiguration file / The file needed
for rpeconfiguration could not be retreived from <URL>"
however after pressing enter a few times the file is eventually
retrieved.
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2833 [23:16:11] <TuxBlackEdo> I was wondering, is there a kernel
argument that I can send the debian installer to wait for the link
to become active?
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2866 [23:36:48] <CombatVet> does systemd reloads after an update?
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