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0 [00:00:06] <tomreyn> rx777: if you aren't using disk
encryption then you aren't experiencing the issue discussed in
#844487
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5 [00:00:33] <rx777> Klaus_Dieter: I am getting the same
message the user gets, and then Debian boots.
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7 [00:00:47] <rx777> tomreyn: you are right, I'm sorry.
8 [00:01:07] <rx777> I get the same messages and then Debian
boots fine.
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12 [00:01:40] <rx777> I'd like to know what's causing
these messages to appear.
13 [00:02:24] <theartificial> Klaus_Dieter: SSH and signing
things. Wondering if the security outweighs the convenience of using
one keypair.
14 [00:03:50] <tomreyn> rx777: lvmetad does not run this early
in the boot process, so lvm initialization using it fails, and the
system falls back to device scanning. that's all this *warning*
(not error) message is about.
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16 [00:05:31] <rx777> tomreyn: I understand. Is there some way
to disable it? (just because I don't enjoy seeing warnings, but
I could live with it)
17 [00:05:49] <Klaus_Dieter> theartificial: at this point it is
more about flexibility. how about you want to revoke one of those
keys but in the beginning you picked to use just one?
18 [00:06:26] <tomreyn> rx777: there is definitely some way, but
i don't know it. you'd start by looking at the scripts
contained in your initrd.
19 [00:07:06] <tw> theartificial: If you're propagating
your signing key to both hosts, I would just use the one. If
you're generating different signing subkeys for each host, I
would just use the host-specific signing subkey for ssh auth.
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23 [00:08:43] <rx777> tomreyn: thank you. Will look at it and
let you know if I found a way :)
24 [00:08:49] <Klaus_Dieter> tw: good catch I was assuming the
latte rscenario.
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26 [00:08:59] <Klaus_Dieter> but actually the situation is not
quite clear.
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29 [00:09:31] <theartificial> tw: Well I need to ssh into both
computers from each other. Also I'd like to sign things with
one keypair from both hosts.
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34 [00:10:27] <zombo> Klaus_Dieter: about the tasks; I
don't use them because I'm a newbie (to computers anyway),
I use them because in the last couple of years I've noticed
that if I try to build my install up from the bare bones, some
things magically won't work and I will have to scour forums and
IRC, and nobody will be able to figure out why, and that is on a
stable install (I personally blame a certain recent hotly debated
change in debian). Somehow when I install stuff by vi
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66 [00:26:52] <unborn> heh
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68 [00:27:18] <theartificial> tw: I am dumb. You sign things
with a pgp keypair not ssh.
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70 [00:27:58] <tw> theartificial: yes, but you can ssh with a
pgp keypair.
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72 [00:28:25] <theartificial> tw: how?
73 [00:29:11] <tw> gpg-agent.conf enable-ssh-support
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75 [00:29:56] <tw> It takes some setting up. And as far as I
know, it's the easiest way to get ssh keys on a smartcard.
76 [00:30:04] <tw> (which is how I know it exists)
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79 [00:33:12] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
80 [00:33:29] <teraflops> NapoleonWils0n: o/
81 [00:33:34] <NapoleonWils0n> debian wiki kvm section seems
outdated
82 [00:33:39] <NapoleonWils0n> hi teraflops
83 [00:33:53] <NapoleonWils0n> libvirt-bin package doesnt exist
84 [00:33:56] <teraflops> not the only one sadly
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87 [00:34:26] <NapoleonWils0n> anyone know what the correct
package for qemu-kvm and libvirt-bin are
88 [00:34:51] <teraflops> ,v libvirt-bin
89 [00:34:52] <judd> Package: libvirt-bin on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u2;
wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u3;
jessie-security: 1.2.9-9+deb8u3
90 [00:35:14] <NapoleonWils0n> im on unstable
91 [00:35:28] <NapoleonWils0n> no hits
92 [00:35:35] <teraflops> NapoleonWils0n: well, this channel is
mainly for stable
93 [00:35:45] <NapoleonWils0n> sorry my bad guys
94 [00:35:54] <bazhang> NapoleonWils0n, check the topic here
95 [00:35:54] <tw> on stretch, you want libvirt-daemon%
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98 [00:36:04] <tw> but yes, OT.
99 [00:36:05] <NapoleonWils0n> tw cheers mate
100 [00:36:34] <NapoleonWils0n> thought that might be the one,
but wasnt sure
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102 [00:37:10] <NapoleonWils0n> switched main main from arch to
debian unstable
103 [00:37:13] <NapoleonWils0n> machine
104 [00:37:16] <teraflops> NapoleonWils0n: no worries just saying
105 [00:37:47] <NapoleonWils0n> does that mean all the people
here are stable then :)
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107 [00:38:20] <teraflops> NapoleonWils0n: I dont think so xD
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109 [00:38:53] <teraflops> NapoleonWils0n: you can ask about sid
in #debian-next at oftc network
110 [00:40:21] <NapoleonWils0n> still getting used to debian
names for packages
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112 [00:41:00] <NapoleonWils0n> on arch you have openbsd-netcat
on on debian its netcat-openbsd
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115 [00:41:43] <teraflops> what about wpasupplicant?
116 [00:41:45] <teraflops> xD
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133 [00:50:25] <J1sy> How to dual boot debian with win10?
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137 [00:52:36] <teraflops> J1sy: did you make some research
before asking here?
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140 [00:54:36] <J1sy> Yup none was useful because win10
bootloader is always kill grub it
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142 [00:55:29] <teraflops> J1sy: then go use the debian iso and
reinstall grub
143 [00:55:55] <teraflops> after having win10 installed
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145 [00:56:29] <J1sy> #i installed debian allong side win10 and
still on start up win10 load ,no debian
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147 [00:56:49] <teraflops> ok
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149 [00:59:01] <J1sy> Its uselèss to install grub when
alway win10 loads even with no hdd installed
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152 [01:01:00] <J1sy> Rule 1 followed-which was to install
windows 1st and the linux last
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198 [01:35:13] <crazy7> Can you use KDE software if you are using
mate?
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202 [01:36:23] <Brigo> crazy7, yes
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209 [01:45:01] <ghormoon> hi, can I use paths to disks by-id in
udev? I currently have the condition as KERNEL="sda" which
is not optimal :)
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214 [01:48:17] <crazy7> Is TRIM enabled by default on Debian?
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216 [01:49:47] <tw> crazy7: it isn't. Real-time discards can
cause certain SSD models to lock up.
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245 [02:02:28] <crazy7> Is it better to use NTFS if you need to
use a hard drive on Windows and Linux?
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251 [02:12:51] <marioxcc> crazy7: The official name of Debian is
GNU/Linux. If you use GNU/Linux and Windows in the same computer,
use different partitions, and use one Linux-specific (here I mean
the kernel) filesystem for Debian GNU/Linux.
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258 [02:20:25] <jair> Hello my friends and family
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262 [02:22:06] <jair> I heard before of an application I could
use to test (e.g. port 23) but at the same fashion as ICMP is
tested.
263 [02:22:30] <jair> for example if I try to use telnet /msg
NickServ identifyit wqill try once and either connect or timeout
264 [02:22:44] <zykotick9> marioxcc: the official name of debian
_WAS_ gnu/linux... they dropped the gnu part... 'cause there is
debian hurd ya know... and debian kbsd... etc..
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266 [02:22:56] <jair> when I test ICMP it keep retry
automatically
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269 [02:23:21] <marioxcc> zykotick9: No. All versions that
contain Linux also contain GNU and are called "GNU/Linux".
270 [02:23:31] <marioxcc> Nobody here is talking about the
kFreebsd version.
271 [02:23:41] <zykotick9> marioxcc: debian i'm talking -
not linux.
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274 [02:24:25] <marioxcc> zykotick9: Whatever. It is not true for
the relevant case. There is no "Debian Linux". There is
"Debian GNU/Linux" and "Debian kFreeBSD".
275 [02:26:29] <zykotick9> marioxcc: note searching for gnu on
replaced-url
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278 [02:27:50] <marioxcc> zykotick9: That does not prove
anything. If you are using Debian with Linux, then what you are
using is called "Debian GNU/Linux", not "Debian
Linux" nor "Debian Hurd".
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282 [02:29:51] <icez> crazy7: FAT and NTFS are likely your best
options, although there are windows programs to read Ext filesystems
on Windows.
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286 [02:30:30] <zykotick9> marioxcc: if you /whois my nic
you'll seem i'm an fsf member. i'm _very_ familiar
with the gnu slash linux stuff. debian was at one time called
"debian gnu/linux" that was changed a year-or-so ago, i
was trying to share this with you, but your rather rude IMO. take
care.
287 [02:30:53] <somiaj> crazy7: fat32 (or vfat) has the best
native support in both windows and linux, ntfs has support in linux
via ntfs-3g so you can access ntfs from both operating systems,
additionally windows has ext2/3/4 drivers you can use. Though for a
shard drive I think vfat is the best as the other cases one of the
os doesn't support all the file system features.
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289 [02:31:41] <marioxcc> zykotick9: Do a text search for
"Debian GNU/Linux" in
replaced-url
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291 [02:31:52] <marioxcc> It's the latest install manual.
292 [02:32:00] <marioxcc> I'm not trying to be rude.
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294 [02:32:35] <somiaj> crazy7: note here I'm assuming a
shard partition/filesystem for the data. You should use ntfs to
isntall windows and ext? (or another *nix filesystem) to install
debian.
295 [02:34:47] <awal1> zykotick9, as I know we have debian:
gnu/linux, gnu/kfreebsd and gnu/hurd
296 [02:34:52] <awal1> that's all :P
297 [02:35:40] <awal1> not debian linux, debian kfreebsd, debian
hurd
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299 [02:36:35] <somiaj> it appears that zykotick9 is informing us
of a change in the naming that is fairly recent, this will take time
to propgate through all the docs, etc
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304 [02:38:16] <awal1> gnu userland + linux kernel = debian
gnu/linux; gnu userland + freebsd kernel = debian gnu/kfreebsd; gnu
userland + hurd kernel = debian gnu/hurd
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306 [02:40:04] <awal1> I don't understand why the naming
will change referring just to the kernel
307 [02:40:15] <marioxcc> Yes, that's my point.
308 [02:40:39] <awal1> what about non kernel stuff?
309 [02:40:51] <zykotick9> awal1: sorry, i didn't mean no
more GNU, i meant "debian" is just "debian",
it's not "Debian gnu/linux" anymore <- because of
the alternative kernels available.
310 [02:40:54] <awal1> gnu userland, I mean
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314 [02:42:30] <marioxcc> zykotick9: But it is called
"GNU/Linux" in the FAQ:
replaced-url
315 [02:43:18] <ghormoon> hi, how to make sysctl apply rules when
the paths are available? I have set
net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables = 0 but it doesn't apply on
boot, if I run manually sysctl -p later it works
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318 [02:44:13] <somiaj> ghormoon: have you tried /etc/sysctl.conf
or an indvidual *.conf file in /etc/sysctl.d/
319 [02:44:20] <ghormoon> sysctl.conf
320 [02:44:25] <marioxcc> zykotick9: Do you have a link to an
official announcement? I'm genuinously interested.
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322 [02:45:01] <somiaj> ghormoon: what is loaded that makes that
available, if it is part of your interfaces file you can use postup
scripts, you can also set things up like that in unit files.
323 [02:45:26] <awal1> zykotick9, I understood you since the
beginning, I'm not aware about the naming change; but I think
that the naming "debian gnu/kernel-variant" should
continue, bcoz that is the correct one
324 [02:45:45] <zykotick9> marioxcc: i went looking/searching,
couldn't find anything... i also waybackmachined debian.org but
didn't easily find gnu/linux mentioned...
replaced-url
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326 [02:46:10] <ghormoon> I think some kernel module maybe?
327 [02:46:18] <ghormoon> or maybe with first bridge?
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329 [02:46:42] <marioxcc> zykotick9: I see. That page implies the
name "Debian GNU/Linux", though: "A large part of the
basic tools that fill out the operating system come from the GNU
project; hence the names: GNU/Linux, GNU/kFreeBSD, and GNU/Hurd.
These tools are also free."
330 [02:46:55] <somiaj> ghormoon: sounds like something you may
want to put in a postup script for your network.
331 [02:47:26] <marioxcc> At least that's how I interpret
it. It is not absolutely clear about what is the name of the OS.
332 [02:47:26] <awal1> uname -a ---» Linux my-user
4.9.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.13-1 (2017-02-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
333 [02:47:35] <ghormoon> sound like something I don't even
wanna load in the kernel in the first place, but I dodn't find
a separate moule that would cause it :)
334 [02:47:54] <tw> ghormoon: do you have bridge in your
modules.conf?
335 [02:48:46] <ghormoon> no, only msr and 8021q
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339 [02:49:48] <ghormoon> I'll add it and see next boot
340 [02:49:50] <tw> if you don't have the module loaded, you
can ignore the sysctl, but if you are using bridging, like with kvm
or indirectly through libvirt, then you may want to load the module
earlier..
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343 [02:50:16] <tw> Or you can blacklist it and see what fails to
come up.
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345 [02:50:19] <ghormoon> yeah, I use bridges for VMs and they
get cut out because of that
346 [02:50:29] <ghormoon> sysctl -p fixes that
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348 [02:50:48] <somiaj> ghormoon: you configure your bridge
through the interfaces file?
349 [02:50:53] <ghormoon> yes
350 [02:51:07] <ghormoon> if this won't fix it, I'll do
post-up script
351 [02:51:10] <ghormoon> bu that sound wron
352 [02:51:36] <somiaj> ghormoon: you could just add a post-up
(or postup) line to your interfaces file with that sysctl command,
353 [02:52:28] <ghormoon> ok, if next reboot it wont work with
bridge in modules.conf, I'll do that
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374 [03:13:18] <marioxcc> How can I manually trigger DHCP
configuration in Debian 8?
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376 [03:13:46] <somiaj> depends on how you configure your
network, but you can run dhclient directly on the interface
377 [03:15:10] <marioxcc> somiaj: Ok, thanks.
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394 [03:21:45] <marioxcc> What branch of Debian do you use or
recommend for a workstation, stable, testing or unstable?
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397 [03:23:40] <somiaj> stable, unless you really want to debug
issue with the next release of debian.
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400 [03:24:36] <somiaj> during the freeze though switching to
stretch before the release isn't to bad if you can deal with
low security support.
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427 [03:38:27] <memeka> where can i find -dbg debs for stretch?
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440 [03:42:29] <j4ckcom> what is xz?
441 [03:43:02] <camh> j4ckcom: try typing "what is xz"
into a search engine
442 [03:43:22] <j4ckcom> yes, but there is no result :(
443 [03:43:24] <j4ckcom> camh:
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445 [03:44:13] <camh> ok. i'll be more specific. try typing
it into google
446 [03:44:41] <j4ckcom> thanks :)
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451 [03:46:11] <camh> j4ckcom: out of curiosity, what search
engine gave no results? bing and duckduckgo also gave the answer as
the first hit
452 [03:46:38] <j4ckcom> googlo.com
453 [03:46:46] <j4ckcom> there is no result
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457 [03:47:34] <j4ckcom> camh:
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460 [03:47:59] <camh> googlo.com is not a search engine.
google.com does give a result. I'm not sure why you dont see
it. xz is a compression format/program
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462 [03:48:45] <j4ckcom> ok then how can uncompress it?
463 [03:48:47] <j4ckcom> camh:
464 [03:49:43] <camh> apt-cache search xz
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466 [03:50:20] <honaalz> hi, i've a question but not really
debian related, are any software/apps/packages with a version number
starting with a "0", like "0.11.2", considered
as beta?
467 [03:50:52] <camh> honaalz: version numbers are pretty much
meaningless, except that they go up
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469 [03:52:03] <th_> only if the developer says its beta :D
470 [03:52:19] <honaalz> true but isnt there is some sort of
convention? like 1.0, 2.0... for big release, 1.1 for updates, 1.0.1
for bugfixes?
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473 [03:52:41] <camh> some people think there's a
convention. those who don't do not follow it
474 [03:53:12] <camh> e.g. the linux kernel gets a new
"major" version number when the "minor" one
starts getting too big
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476 [03:54:31] <honaalz> hmmm I see
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480 [03:56:58] <somiaj> Note with the release of 3.0 the old
number version changed
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482 [03:57:17] <somiaj> it use to be even numbers stable, odd
numbers devel branch, 2.2 vs 2.3, 2.4, etc
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487 [04:00:37] <somiaj> honaalz: now it is the releases are X.Y,
with some of those releases given long term support (which means
they get bug fixes, some hardware backports, some featue backports,
but this is raree. and as camh said, after the second number gets
big they roll over, but besides for that it is about regular
releases in order.
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492 [04:02:32] <honaalz> got it! thank you
493 [04:02:38] <foul_owl> Hi folks. smplayer changes monitors
when I try and make it full screen
494 [04:03:24] <somiaj> foul_owl: what de/wm are you using?
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513 [04:20:29] <j4ckcom> i can extract xz file with this command?
tar -xJf file.pkg.tar.xz
514 [04:20:47] <tw> you can just use tar xf file.pkg.tar.xz
515 [04:20:59] <tw> tar will do the right thing.
516 [04:21:11] <tw> cf is a different story though.
517 [04:24:40] <foul_owl> fluxbox
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519 [04:26:43] <somiaj> foul_owl: might be how fluxbox is dealing
with multihead setup, I would ask in a fluxbox specific channel for
better help on that.
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544 [04:47:10] <foul_owl> Thank you
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551 [04:51:00] <girlSmile> Milo & Joe Rogan On "The
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672 [06:06:00] <jasonwc> Hello everyone. In order to support a
rootfs on ZFS, I needed to install Grub from Unstable (using this
howto -
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673 [06:06:00] <jasonwc> this issue without upgrading to Stretch?
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675 [06:07:05] <somiaj> you don't want to just install
unstable packages on stable. You can try to compile/backport that
package to jessie, though for zfsonlinux you may want to upgrade to
stretch or wait to the release to use it.
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680 [06:08:22] <jasonwc> somiaj Any way to check if I can build
grub from stretch on jessie?
681 [06:08:27] <jasonwc> that seems like the best solution
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686 [06:09:17] <jasonwc> Build-Depends dependency for grub cannot
be satisfied because candidate version of package debhelper
can't satisfy version requirements
687 [06:09:20] <jasonwc> guess not :/
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704 [06:19:30] <kion> I am trying to install Gnome-desktop and my
apt says E Unable to locate package gnome-desktop any ideas?
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706 [06:20:00] <jasonwc> kion sudo apt install gnome
707 [06:20:33] <kion> jasonwc, sudo apt-get install gnome?
708 [06:20:42] <jasonwc> both will work
709 [06:20:51] <kion> do you know what is the windows manager of
gnome?
710 [06:20:55] <jasonwc> Jessie allows you to use "apt"
which offers newer features
711 [06:21:13] <jasonwc> gnome is the new pseudo-package
712 [06:21:42] <jasonwc>
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713 [06:21:52] <jasonwc> That's what a quick google search
shows
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715 [06:23:29] <kion> thanks jasonwc
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717 [06:24:36] <somiaj> ,check-backport grub
718 [06:24:37] <judd> Backporting package grub in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, jessie-backports.
719 [06:24:52] <somiaj> jasonwc: there is a newer debconf
(version 10) in jessie-backport)
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728 [06:28:10] <j4ckcom> how can i update debian?
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731 [06:29:32] <somiaj> j4ckcom: apt-get update &&
apt-get upgrade
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734 [06:29:45] <somiaj> j4ckcom: I assume you mean just keep up
to date on security fixes
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737 [06:30:37] <j4ckcom> apt update && apt -y
full-upgrade. <— this is ok?
738 [06:30:40] <apt> that's too long, j4ckcom
739 [06:30:54] <j4ckcom> i m ok
740 [06:30:59] <j4ckcom> apt update && apt -y
full-upgrade <— it is ok?
741 [06:31:00] <apt> j4ckcom: what are you talking about?
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743 [06:31:28] <j4ckcom> apt update && apt -y
full-upgrade <— i can update debian with this command?
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746 [06:33:01] <theartificial> Installed debian on my desktop and
it defaults to my discrete graphics card (nouveau). I want it to use
my integrated graphics (i965). How do I do so?
747 [06:33:25] <j4ckcom> apt update && apt -y
full-upgrade <— i can update debian with this command?
748 [06:33:58] <somiaj> for apt it is dist-upgrade, and on a
stable system upgrade should be sufficent for most things (though
sometimes a dist-ugprade is needed)
749 [06:34:47] <j4ckcom> apt-get update && apt-get
upgrade. <—— then it is ok? somiaj ?
750 [06:35:13] <somiaj> theartificial: you can blacklist the
nouveau module and see if it forces the intel one to load, you can
also write you own xorg.conf file to force it to use the intel
driver, additionally you might be able to just disable the nvidia
card in the bios
751 [06:35:20] <somiaj> j4ckcom: that is what I originally said,
try it.
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754 [06:35:28] <j4ckcom> ok thanks
755 [06:37:14] <jasonwc> somiaj: If I can't satisfy the
build-depends for grub-pc, I assume that means I can't
recompile grub-pc on Jessie without guessing which dependencies are
real, and which are fake.
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757 [06:38:12] <j4ckcom> Ign
replaced-url
758 [06:38:21] <somiaj> jasonwc: you need some of the
build-depends from jessie-backports. It seems it is just a debconf
issue, you could manually revert the build depends too maybe.
759 [06:38:33] <somiaj> j4ckcom: nothing is wrong from what you
shared.
760 [06:38:43] <j4ckcom> ok
761 [06:38:45] <j4ckcom> thanks
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766 [06:41:51] <theartificial> Is there a file with a list of
packages explicitly installed?
767 [06:42:04] <somiaj> theartificial: do you mean manual only
packages?
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770 [06:42:35] <somiaj> theartificial: aptitude search ~i shows
all installed packages, the auto installed ones have an
'A' next to them, you can isolate them that way, there is
also a way to search only manual with aptitude.
771 [06:43:14] <theartificial> I want to be have a list of
packages that I installed (not system, not deps) so I can install
them on another computer
772 [06:43:30] <theartificial> I want both computers to have the
same packages actually.
773 [06:43:44] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
774 [06:43:44] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude
(or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search
--disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on
the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install <
package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves
information about "automatically installed" packages that
other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to
backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
775 [06:44:22] <theartificial> Well thats conveniant
776 [06:44:35] <somiaj> that gives you the full list, but it will
preserve the auto install flag on the new machine.
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780 [06:46:27] <theartificial> is there a method of installing
from the file?
781 [06:46:37] <theartificial> nvm
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786 [06:48:13] <theartificial> somiaj: Thanks!
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791 [06:52:37] <jasonwc> somiaj:
replaced-url
792 [06:52:52] <jasonwc> somiaj: Shouldn't that install the
dependencies from jessie-backports?
793 [06:53:47] <somiaj> unsure why it is trying to install gcc-6
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795 [06:54:13] <somiaj> I haven't tried to backport grub,
I'm just going off the bot says it is possible with jessie +
jessie-backports, but you may have to be sure you only get what you
need from jessie-backports, not everything
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797 [06:55:20] <theartificial> Rebooted into my system and there
was badness lol
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801 [06:56:39] <jasonwc> somiaj: Does the bot say what specific
package is needed from backports?
802 [06:56:44] <somiaj> nope
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835 [07:19:13] <somiaj> jasonwc: my advise, though most likely
not the solution you want, is wait until stretch is released, I
still think zfs on linux is relatively new to be used as the root
filesystem.
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891 [07:52:25] <zZap-X> what kernel version will debian stretch
use?
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893 [07:54:23] <nkuttler> ,kernels
894 [07:54:24] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686
(4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-2)
895 [07:54:44] <zZap-X> nkuttler: 4.9 ?
896 [07:54:58] <zZap-X> so does that mean kernel 4.9 will have 6
years worth of updates?
897 [07:55:05] <zZap-X> once stretch is released
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900 [07:56:00] <zZap-X> and Ben Hutchings will be the maintainer?
901 [07:56:44] <jelly> someone is going to be the maintainer, not
necessarily one person the whole time
902 [07:57:02] <zZap-X> jelly: but it will have 6 years worth of
updates?
903 [07:57:06] <zZap-X>
replaced-url
904 [07:57:16] <zZap-X> just like 3.16 has?
905 [07:57:23] <zZap-X> what jessie uses
906 [07:57:48] <jelly> zZap-X: 5 years is likely
907 [07:57:52] <zZap-X> i dont use debian but i like to use the
same kernels because of the long update cycle
908 [07:58:01] <zZap-X> nice
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911 [07:58:27] <zZap-X> jelly: because stretch is frozen, does
that mean it will use the 4.9 kernel or could that still change?
912 [07:58:53] <phre4k> hi, I can't see past systemd logs
with journalctl -b-1, there's no /var/log/journal, should I
really use Storage=persistent in /etc/systemd/journald.conf or is
Debian handling this in another way? see also:
replaced-url
913 [07:59:04] <jelly> zZap-X: the choice of kernel version to
track for stretch was done even before the freeze I think
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915 [07:59:26] <zZap-X> jelly: so stretch will use kernel 4.9
branch
916 [07:59:56] <somiaj> zZap-X: stretch is going with 4.9, the
date of the freeze was adjusted to try to correspond to a lts kernel
release
917 [08:00:21] <zZap-X> excellent, i will upgrade my slackware
kernel to 4.9
918 [08:00:25] <somiaj> this was kinda guess work on the
date/actuall lts kernel release, but last I heard it was 4.9, which
got into debian shortly before the freeze.
919 [08:00:39] <somiaj> check kernel.org for info about the lts
releases
920 [08:00:49] <zZap-X> somiaj:
replaced-url
921 [08:00:58] <zZap-X> at the moment 4.9 EOL is Jan 2019
922 [08:01:15] <zZap-X> so that number will change when stretch
is released?
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924 [08:01:35] <somiaj> phre4k: afiak you may not need
Storage=persistant, it defaults to storge=auto, so if you create the
directory /var/log/journal it should start giving you persitant
journals.
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926 [08:02:24] <somiaj> zZap-X: That is kernel.org end date, note
that the debian matainer is still mataining older kernels, that may
update as that date gets closer and the control is passed on.
927 [08:03:01] <somiaj> zZap-X: but here I'm unsure, but
that is my guess, as kenrel.org and those mataining the newer
kernels stop mataining the older one, the debian kernel team should
pick up the slack.
928 [08:03:27] <somiaj> (also might depend what other distros
choose to use for their lts releaes, though I think centos is one of
the few that has long standing stable releases like debian)
929 [08:03:58] <zZap-X> somiaj: kernel 3.16 EOL seems correct for
Jessie
930 [08:04:27] <somiaj> including jessie-lts, I think the dates
get adjusted as someone steps up to matain it for longer.
931 [08:04:35] <zZap-X> yes thats what i thought
932 [08:04:37] <zZap-X> ace
933 [08:04:57] <zZap-X> time to upgrade to 4.9.x branch :D
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963 [08:23:38] <theartificial> So I rebooted after upgrading and
gnome didnt start. Went straight to a clean tty1
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965 [08:24:08] <somiaj> maybe something with the display manager,
you could try and run startx
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969 [08:24:37] <theartificial> somiaj: `-bash: startx: command
not found` uhh
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973 [08:25:16] <somiaj> well seems you don't have xinit
installed for some reason.
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977 [08:26:23] <theartificial> Why would it uninstall though
978 [08:26:59] <theartificial> It seems quite a few packages have
gone missing
979 [08:27:13] <theartificial> aptitude doesnt work and neither
is nmtui
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982 [08:28:32] <somiaj> what version of debian are you running?
What did you upgrade/too from?
983 [08:28:58] <theartificial> stretch
984 [08:29:02] <theartificial> from jessie
985 [08:29:23] <somiaj> did you have any unoffical packages
installed?
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987 [08:29:45] <theartificial> Well I ran the aptitude clone to
get the same packages from my laptop.
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990 [08:30:11] <jelly> theartificial: assuming you kept logs with
"script", you'll be able to look at those and see
which packages got removed and at which point
991 [08:30:27] <somiaj> well that will only work for the same
version of debian, jessie and stretch have packages that have
changed, so in this case you can't take a jessie list and
expect to get the full capability installing that list on stretch.
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993 [08:30:36] <theartificial> jelly: how do I do so
994 [08:30:42] <phre4k> somiaj: is there a specific way (ACLs?) I
have to create /var/log/journal?
995 [08:31:01] <somiaj> phre4k: I think mkdir /var/log/journal is
enough, unsure if you have to give it permisions or it fixes itself.
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997 [08:31:43] <somiaj> phre4k: drwxr-sr-x+ 3 root
systemd-journal 4096 Feb 20 00:43 /var/log/journal/
998 [08:31:51] <phre4k> somiaj:
replaced-url
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1000 [08:32:08] <phre4k> sorry, forgot to explain: had the steps
necessary, I think
1001 [08:32:25] <phre4k> at least it created some files now
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1005 [08:32:57] <somiaj> I just used mkdir /var/log/journal and it
worked here due to the Storage=auto default, I forget if I had to
adjust the permsions or not. I think I might have
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1011 [08:36:04] <phre4k> somiaj: thanks for your help :) cu
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1021 [08:42:31] <lindylex> I did a system update and now LXDE does
not start.
1022 [08:42:42] <lindylex> Where do I start?
1023 [08:43:08] <somiaj> lindylex: do you boot up to a tty or just
a black screen (seeing if it could be a display manager or driver
issue)
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1025 [08:43:16] <somiaj> so give us more info about 'does not
start'
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1027 [08:44:00] <lindylex> It book up to the console where I can
enter my user name and password.
1028 [08:44:13] <somiaj> what happens if you type startx
1029 [08:44:18] <somiaj> after you login
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1033 [08:46:47] <lindylex> Last stanza disspayed on the screen
"Using system config directory
"/usr/share/X11/zorg.conf.d" No GUI.
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1046 [08:51:02] <somiaj> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for
errors
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1053 [08:53:47] <lindylex> somiaj:
replaced-url
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1062 [08:57:40] <somiaj> is that all the log file says?
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1065 [08:58:13] <lindylex> yes
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1070 [08:59:45] <somiaj> I don't see any clear error, but my
huntch is something to do with systemd/logind.
1071 [08:59:55] <somiaj> I can't say much more than that.
1072 [09:00:01] <somiaj> did you try to run this as your normal
user or root?
1073 [09:00:28] <lindylex> normal
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1078 [09:01:28] <somiaj> well look at what the upgrade did, did it
remove any packages and the likes, but I'm not seeing any clear
error that says this is what I think your issue is
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1084 [09:02:34] <lindylex> brb
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1098 [09:09:10] <lindylex> somiaj: I decided I will just reboot.
And now I am stuck at the partition part. The installer says
"...file system with type ext4 in scsi2 (0,0,0), pertition #5
(sdb) at / failed"
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1101 [09:10:36] <somiaj> lindylex: sounds like you have some more
problems, I don't think I can really help debug this from here.
But if it isn't booting you may need some live image to recover
from.
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1103 [09:11:17] <lindylex> This is a problem with the installer.
The Windows O.S. start up fine.
1104 [09:11:43] <somiaj> installer? This isn't an actual
install? What installer are you using?
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1106 [09:12:18] <lindylex> I have a Debian O.S. installer on a usb
stick I am trying to use to re install Debian.
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1108 [09:13:23] <somiaj> how did you put the installer onto the
usb stick?
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1110 [09:14:02] <lindylex> Manually with multiple O.S. on there. I
have used it many times.
1111 [09:14:32] <somiaj> well, sounds like something isn't
set up right.
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1136 [09:26:02] <welpo> In sources.list: is a line with
'jessie-updates' and another one with
'stable/updates' the same?
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1138 [09:26:33] <mebus> Hi! How can I fix this:
replaced-url
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1159 [09:34:43] <Shadow_7_> dpkg sources.list
1160 [09:34:53] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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1164 [09:36:57] <Shadow_7_> mebus: do you have strange ppa type
thing in your sources.list? or otherwise missing the jessie-updates
item?
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1166 [09:38:16] <mebus> Shadow_7_: I only got: deb
replaced-url
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1169 [09:39:18] <Shadow_7_> This isn't the raspbian support
channel. But it should have much of the same entries with raspbian
mirrors.
1170 [09:39:25] <mebus> "files list file for package
`libc6-dev:armhf' contains empty filename" - !?
1171 [09:39:46] <mebus> Shadow_7_: people in raspbian treat me as
a noob. takes to long to tell them about the problem.
1172 [09:40:18] <Shadow_7_> The pi B and older models are arm v.6
which is debian armel compatible.
1173 [09:40:28] <Shadow_7_> armhf is v.7 and up
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1175 [09:40:42] <Shadow_7_> Which the latest pi is compatible
with, but the older ones are not
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1177 [09:41:07] <Shadow_7_> armel is v.4+ but < v.7
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1179 [09:41:35] <Shadow_7_> although I guess would run on v.7 just
fine, but slow since software float, not HF
1180 [09:42:12] <mebus> "ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7
(v6l)"
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1182 [09:42:16] <mebus> that means?
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1184 [09:43:02] <Shadow_7_> idk, only have a B (not even B+). The
64 bit pi is v.7+
1185 [09:44:07] <mebus> how can I resolve this: " files list
file for package `libc6-dev:armhf' contains empty
filename" !?
1186 [09:44:09] <Shadow_7_> Anyway that error is common for
missing (or extra) sources.list entries.
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1189 [09:44:24] <Shadow_7_> mebus: apt-get update?
1190 [09:44:39] <Shadow_7_> perhaps DNS is broken and it's
not updating
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1192 [09:44:48] <Shadow_7_> or you fat fingered a repo
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1194 [09:45:37] <mebus> dns is ok.
1195 [09:46:02] <Shadow_7_> you might try to leave off the :armhf
part
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1197 [09:47:18] <Shadow_7_> it only means something if you've
setup multi-arch
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1199 [09:47:38] <jelly> mebus: it's an issue with your
distro's apt, ask in #raspbian please
1200 [09:47:41] <somiaj> welpo: jessie-updates and jessie/updates
are not the same. Now jessie vs stable are almost the same with a
small issue, stable will change and point ot stretch in the future,
jessie will always point to jessie
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1202 [09:48:02] <welpo> thanks somiaj and Shadow_7_
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1205 [09:49:38] <jelly> Shadow_7: you can still help mebus if you
want to, just do it in the correct channel
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1210 [09:50:27] <Shadow_7> not in #raspbian. And haven't
turned on my pi in over a month. Plus found debian armel a much more
pleasant experience on the pi B.
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1212 [09:51:31] <Shadow_7> nfs not even as a module on an embedded
system with 512MB of ram. Noobs.
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1305 [10:30:10] <dionysus69> why do I get segmentation fault when
I run arp-scan command?
1306 [10:30:36] <dionysus69> i supply interface name from ifconfig
list
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1309 [10:31:23] <tdn> Is there a tried and true, safe way of
resizing an encrypted LUKS volume on LVM and md raid1 in Debian 8? I
need to grow the size. Or is the safe way to back up all data. Then
repartition and copy data back?
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1336 [10:44:55] <jelly> tdn: understanding the layers and order of
growing from bottom to top ought to make it safe enough, barring
bugs
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1342 [10:46:19] <tdn> jelly, I am looking for a described process.
A HOWTO or something like that.
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1346 [10:46:49] <velix> Is /tmp/ in Debian mounted to tmpfs ?
1347 [10:46:49] <bezaban> it should be safe enough, especially
growing. The luks part is transparent iirc. However, any operation
on filesystems with data you don't want to lose should be
preceded by a backup
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1353 [10:50:59] <tdn> bezaban, I have a backup. What I am most
worried about is doing the operation having everything appearantly
go fine but then finding out that something did not go right and
filesystem or LUKS become corrupted. Like, say, if I resized to over
the physical size or something like that
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1355 [10:51:36] <jelly> tdn: the process will vary based on the
order of layers in your particular setup
1356 [10:51:53] <bezaban> tdn: yeah, you need to resize the lvm
and then grow the filesystem, of course you need to stay within the
boundaries of the drive
1357 [10:52:05] <CeBe> velix: by default it is not, but afair
there is some fallback to tmpfs if the disk is full on boot.
1358 [10:52:08] <bezaban> hm. can the layers be ordered
differently+
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1360 [10:52:12] <jelly> yes
1361 [10:52:19] <bezaban> yay, more complexity
1362 [10:52:41] <jelly> I have md raid with LVs as members.
Because.
1363 [10:52:46] <tdn> jelly, the order is the normal order that is
done when installing debian with encrypted luks and lvm via the
installer
1364 [10:52:49] <bezaban> oh, I see
1365 [10:52:55] <jelly> reasons!
1366 [10:53:00] <velix> CeBe: thx
1367 [10:53:10] <tdn> jelly, raid is done via md. Also via the
installer
1368 [10:53:19] <jelly> tdn: I have no idea what the
"normal" order results in, sorry
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1371 [10:53:29] <jelly> tdn: lsblk output will be of help
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1374 [10:54:30] <tdn> jelly, lsblk -->
replaced-url
1375 [10:54:58] <jelly> something sane might look like: disks
<- partitions <- md <- luks <- lvm(pv) <- lvm(lv)
<- filesystem
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1378 [10:56:27] <jelly> and you have first lvm, _then_ luks
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1381 [10:57:17] <tdn> jelly, why is it more sane to have LVM
inside LUKS instead of LUKS inside LVM?
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1383 [10:57:30] <tdn> jelly, please note that I have a few volumes
in LVM that is NOT encrypted.
1384 [10:57:51] <jelly> tdn: and what are you triyng to grow?
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1387 [10:58:39] <jelly> (it's slightly easier to have FDE
with luks first, then use that as LVM PV so that all the LVs inside
are crypted)
1388 [10:58:46] <tdn> jelly, the encrypted volume of 1 TB.
1389 [10:58:56] <jelly> tdn: using which free space?
1390 [10:59:27] <tdn> jelly, first I need to shrink the clear data
volume to make space
1391 [10:59:49] <jelly> right
1392 [11:00:15] <jelly> then you don't have a lot of layers
to deal with for the grow process, just lv and luks and filesystem
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1395 [11:01:06] <jelly> tdn: shrinking is messier than growing
btw. Need to be done offline for ext4 (unmounted).
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1397 [11:01:35] <jelly> and is done from top to bottom
1398 [11:02:06] <jelly> so roughly: umount, fsck -f, resize2fs,
then lvresize
1399 [11:02:20] <tdn> jelly, by offline you mean just umount the
ext4 fs, right? That is no problem
1400 [11:02:21] <jelly> also it's fucking slow
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1403 [11:03:03] <tdn> jelly, I have a 4 TB USB disk. Would it be
better, faster, safer to just copy everything onto that and then
recreate partitions, etc. and copy back?
1404 [11:03:28] <jelly> tdn: how much of that clear fs is in use?
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1406 [11:04:01] <tdn> jelly, right now 95 %, but I am cleaning up
and hoping to get to about 80 % usage.
1407 [11:04:07] <tdn> So about 100 GB free now
1408 [11:04:07] <jelly> ouch
1409 [11:04:25] <tdn> jelly, my hope is to increase crypt to 1200
GB
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1413 [11:04:50] <tdn> Or maybe I should just buy bigger disks...
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1421 [11:05:45] <jelly> anectodal data: with about 50% used,
shrinking with resize2fs took about 4 times as much time as it would
take top copy everything somewhere else, repartition, reformat and
put back
1422 [11:05:56] <tdn> jelly, yikes
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1425 [11:07:57] <jelly> also the files get defragmented with a
"backup, reformat, restore" cycle which is useful if you
still have HDD media
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1431 [11:10:56] <tdn> jelly, this is still HDD
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1438 [11:15:46] <jelly> tdn: what I'd do is backup and
lvremove the filesystem planned to be shrunk, grow the lv, luks and
filesystem that needs growing, then recreate and restore the other
one
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1440 [11:16:10] <tdn> jelly, ok
1441 [11:17:34] <jelly> but I'm reasonably comfortable doing
it, having grown luks at home a couple times now
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1444 [11:20:13] <tdn> jelly, ok. Thanks for input. I will sit down
at write down a plan to prepare.
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1554 [12:17:02] <hroi> hi
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1557 [12:19:11] <hroi> the libopencv shipping with debian 8.6 and
8.7 (at least) throws a message to stderr - because /dev/raw1493
(firewire) device is not available
1558 [12:19:39] <hroi> it really shouldn't throw an error --
I think this is a but in the library shipped with deb
1559 [12:19:43] <hroi> *bug
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1582 [12:31:19] <rgr> looking for some help with wifi in a brand
new stretch install on #debian-next if anyone has the time.
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1595 [12:45:43] <CeBe> hrob: why do you think it is a debian issue
and not a bug in opencv?
1596 [12:46:25] <hrob> CeBe, yes it is a but in opencv
1597 [12:46:45] <hrob> with version used in debian package
1598 [12:46:52] <hrob> *gug
1599 [12:46:55] <hrob> *bug
1600 [12:47:04] <CeBe> hrob: so it is fixed in a newer version?
1601 [12:47:09] <hrob> yes
1602 [12:47:15] <CeBe> do you know in which?
1603 [12:47:20] <hrob> Ubuntu uses one minor version newer
1604 [12:47:32] <CeBe> ,v opencv
1605 [12:47:33] <judd> No package named 'opencv' was
found in amd64.
1606 [12:47:46] <hrob> although, opencv is a big thing with many
dependencies
1607 [12:48:02] <hrob> so could be bug in dependency of opencv or
how opencv uses that dependencies
1608 [12:48:15] <hrob> judd - libopencv-dev
1609 [12:48:18] <hrob> typically
1610 [12:48:21] <CeBe> ,v libopencv-dev
1611 [12:48:22] <judd> Package: libopencv-dev on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.3.1-11+deb7u1; jessie: 2.4.9.1+dfsg-1+deb8u1; sid:
2.4.9.1+dfsg1-1; stretch: 2.4.9.1+dfsg1-1; experimental:
3.1.0+dfsg-1~exp2+b1
1612 [12:48:55] <hrob> the wheezy one is probably good
1613 [12:49:22] <Keitaro> hello all
1614 [12:49:52] <Keitaro> someone know what is the command in
debian to test an authentification against active directory ?
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1620 [12:50:34] <hrob> ok, actually opencv itself is
2.4.9.1+dfsg-1.5ubuntu1 on ubuntu
1621 [12:50:48] <hrob> so same ad debian -- I must have been
checking libdc1439
1622 [12:51:32] <CeBe> hrob: does the problem occur on ubuntu?
1623 [12:51:37] <hrob> no
1624 [12:51:49] <hrob> let me show you the lib
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1626 [12:52:36] <CeBe> ,v libdc1394-22
1627 [12:52:37] <judd> Package: libdc1394-22 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.2.0-2; jessie: 2.2.3-1; stretch: 2.2.5-1; sid: 2.2.5-1
1628 [12:52:40] <hrob> its this dependency x-gnu/libdc1394.so
1629 [12:53:00] <CeBe> which version does ubuntu have?
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1631 [12:53:11] <hrob> 2.2.4-1
1632 [12:53:24] <hrob> hmm...
1633 [12:53:32] <hrob> so its probably just libdc
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1636 [12:53:47] <hrob> libdc acts like every computer should have
a firewire device
1637 [12:53:51] <hrob> and fails to initialize
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1642 [12:55:06] <hrob> libdc1394 error: Failed to initialize
libdc1394
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1644 [12:57:09] <hrob> it's an annoying error, and not even
an error
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1646 [12:58:20] <CeBe> hrob: I do not have this error on jessie...
but I have seen it on other instances
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1648 [12:59:53] <hrob> it's something that follows including
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1650 [13:00:22] <CeBe> it is fine on my desktop machine, but I get
"libdc1394 error: Failed to initialize libdc1394" output
on my gitlab CI
1651 [13:00:26] <hrob> #include <opencv2/core/core.hpp>
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1653 [13:00:41] <hrob> #include
<opencv2/imgproc/imgproc.hpp>
1654 [13:00:47] <hrob> probably the improc one
1655 [13:01:04] <hrob> wants to use firewire cameras as input
device
1656 [13:01:13] <RebelCoder> Hey guys, is there an OpenBox or LXQt
ISOs of Debian ?
1657 [13:01:22] <RebelCoder> I can;t seem to find any on the
website...
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1659 [13:01:34] <tx> get the minimal ISO and use aptitude to
install it
1660 [13:01:45] <CeBe> hrob: on the CI it happens on debian jessie
but not on sid or stretch
1661 [13:01:46] <tx> I don't think there are official ones
1662 [13:01:49] <RebelCoder> Was going to do that. Just
wondering...
1663 [13:01:54] <hrob> CeBe, hmm why does gitlab need opencv
1664 [13:01:55] <tx> there are variants that offer that OOTB
1665 [13:02:05] <RebelCoder> Thanks
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1667 [13:02:22] <jelly> RebelCoder: no, and lxqt will only be in
next release
1668 [13:02:24] <CeBe> hrob: I am running tests for my program on
a gitlab CI system. that runs debian in a docker container
1669 [13:02:33] <CeBe> my program uses opencv
1670 [13:02:40] <j4ckcom> how can i unzip zip file? :)
1671 [13:02:52] <tx> Not sure if I will get burnt with a
flamethrower here for suggesting debian-derivatives that integrate
openbox
1672 [13:02:54] <jelly> j4ckcom: install "unzip" and use
it
1673 [13:02:58] <tx> google it if you want it :P
1674 [13:03:06] <j4ckcom> how can i use jelly ?
1675 [13:03:09] <hrob> CeBe, ah ok
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1677 [13:03:40] <j4ckcom> apt-get install unzip —> unzip
file-name?
1678 [13:03:41] <jelly> j4ckcom: open a terminal, type "man
unzip", read the docs
1679 [13:03:42] <j4ckcom> ok jelly ?
1680 [13:03:44] <hrob> perhaps I should recommend using a PPA of
opencv
1681 [13:03:53] <RebelCoder> jelly, there are instructions for
both, LXQt and OpenBox on the website
1682 [13:04:06] <RebelCoder> which one is the the lightest on RAM
and CPU you think ?
1683 [13:04:09] <RebelCoder> OpenBox ?
1684 [13:04:11] <CeBe> hrob: I assume it is fixed in libdc1394-22
2.2.5
1685 [13:04:24] <jelly> RebelCoder: which website?
1686 [13:04:27] <hrob> CeBe, right or just upgrade libdc
1687 [13:04:28] <RebelCoder> Debian
1688 [13:04:37] <jelly> what's the actual link?
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1690 [13:04:59] <RebelCoder> jelly,
replaced-url
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1692 [13:05:32] <RebelCoder> jelly, ahh my fault...
1693 [13:05:40] <RebelCoder> only in unstable + Deb 9
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1695 [13:05:48] <RebelCoder> So will go for OpenBOX I guess
1696 [13:05:51] <RebelCoder> or try both
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1700 [13:07:26] <j4ckcom> how can i move folder including co ntent?
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1705 [13:08:27] <j4ckcom> :)
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1707 [13:08:55] <j4ckcom> help me debian specialist
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1709 [13:09:46] <CeBe> j4ckcom: man mv
1710 [13:10:23] <missmbob> google linux mv
1711 [13:10:43] <j4ckcom> i need direct help from debian
specialist
1712 [13:10:55] <j4ckcom> :)
1713 [13:11:18] <missmbob> you've been helped. we expect you
to learn and help yourself
1714 [13:11:28] <CeBe> j4ckcom: type man mv in a terminal and read
1715 [13:11:52] <jelly> j4ckcom: you actually need some
beginner-level course in linux command line.
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1720 [13:12:22] <j4ckcom> 😰
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1722 [13:12:39] <missmbob> it's not hard. google it and
you'll find plenty of free ones
1723 [13:12:40] <jelly> j4ckcom: one of those:
replaced-url
1724 [13:13:01] <j4ckcom> thanks
1725 [13:13:09] <j4ckcom> 😅
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1728 [13:14:28] <tx> anyone remember linuxgym?
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1735 [13:16:58] <inviz> i am a bit baffled, on debian 9 test i
cannot use virt-install command, although the rest of the packages
are installed it seems.
1736 [13:17:22] <inviz> despite internet full of
"virt-install" manuals, has the author changed the way to
create new VMs?
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1739 [13:18:15] <Arone> hi
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1748 [13:24:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
1749 [13:24:26] <tx> yo
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1783 [13:41:30] <zxd> is there a script for detecting OSs
installed ?
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1792 [13:46:07] <BluesKaj> zxd, just the command for the OS in use
, lsb_release -a
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1794 [13:47:07] <zxd> BluesKaj: need something like os-prober
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1799 [13:49:06] <n4dir> i don't think there is a portable way
to do that.
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1802 [13:50:28] <BluesKaj> zxd, guess you answered your own
question
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1805 [13:52:29] <inviz> hi. has anyone done KVM stuff on stretch?
how do you install new guest? same virt-install ?
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1817 [13:58:30] <Psy-Q> inviz: i've only used it with
virt-manager and exported the xml with virsh. but that works
1818 [13:59:00] <inviz> even virt-manager command not found, I
think I am missing some package.
1819 [13:59:16] <Psy-Q> hm. it's just
"virt-manager" for me
1820 [13:59:16] <inviz> as per one mailing list, I had to install
two separate instead of one virt-bin
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1822 [13:59:21] <Psy-Q> just make sure the user is in the right
groups
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1824 [13:59:51] <Psy-Q> "libvirt" and
"libvirt-qemu" and "kvm", it seems
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1827 [14:00:14] <inviz> ok I see, apt-get install virt-manager
offers me let me count...244 packages
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1829 [14:00:23] <Psy-Q> heh
1830 [14:00:27] <jelly> judd: file bin/virt-manager --release
stretch
1831 [14:00:28] <Psy-Q> then yeah, maybe some bits were missing :)
1832 [14:00:31] <judd> Search for bin/virt-manager in
stretch/amd64: virt-manager: usr/bin/virt-manager
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1835 [14:00:38] <inviz> i wonder if this is the way to install now
1836 [14:00:50] <Psy-Q> only if you want a gui i'd think
1837 [14:00:59] <inviz> well i do not
1838 [14:01:09] <inviz> wait no gui, no
1839 [14:01:24] <Psy-Q> ah, ok. sorry. so well, it works for me
with the gui is what i meant :)
1840 [14:01:26] <Psy-Q> and that's in virt-manager
1841 [14:02:06] <j4ckcom> how can i install nmtui?
1842 [14:02:09] <j4ckcom> :)
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1847 [14:04:23] <j4ckcom> help me debian super specialist 😥
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1849 [14:04:38] <jelly> j4ckcom: search for the package containing
nmtui binary
1850 [14:04:55] <j4ckcom> oh yeah what is package name?
1851 [14:05:00] <j4ckcom> jelly: :)
1852 [14:05:05] <jelly> j4ckcom: /msg dpkg search
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1856 [14:05:48] <Nazara> is anyone else running testing and now
unable to get a dhcp lease?
1857 [14:05:52] <jelly> j4ckcom: do an "apt-cache search
nmtui" for a start. If that gives no results, try asking the
bot: /msg judd file bin/nmtui
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1859 [14:05:54] <inviz> Psy-Q: so after that i have virt-install
now, so thanks.
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1862 [14:06:26] <inviz> however it is version 1.4.0 if I check
other virt- packages they are version 3.0
1863 [14:07:07] <JohnA> Nazara: yes.
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1865 [14:07:22] <Nazara> JohnA: oh good it's definitely not
me then
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1868 [14:09:05] <j4ckcom> sudo apt-get install network-manager
<— jelly ok?
1869 [14:09:07] <RebelCoder> guys, just in general, which is the
fastest, most lightweight desktop I can install on Debian ?
1870 [14:09:19] <RebelCoder> LXQT or OpenBox ? Correct ?
1871 [14:09:26] <jelly> j4ckcom: if that's the package
containing that command, yes
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1873 [14:09:42] <j4ckcom> 🤣
1874 [14:09:56] <setra> hid3, right for networking issues
1875 [14:10:01] <jelly> RebelCoder: openbox isn't really a
desktop, I think it's a window manager
1876 [14:10:36] <RebelCoder> Hmm... ok then... then it is LXDE or
LXQt (from unstable)
1877 [14:10:39] <RebelCoder> Correct ?
1878 [14:10:48] <jelly> ,i razorqt
1879 [14:10:49] <judd> Package razorqt (metapackages, optional) in
jessie/amd64: Lightweight desktop environment, all components.
Version: 0.5.2-4; Size: 7.5k; Installed: 41k; Homepage:
replaced-url
1880 [14:11:05] <jelly> that seems to be a desktop environment
utilizing openbox
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1883 [14:12:27] <setra> I have a debian server jessie as "man
in the middle" between 2 LAN's like
inetA->routerA->NetA->[JESSIE8]<-NetB<-routerB<-inetB
, and I can not ping from any machine from A -> B or vice versa,
even if I have ipforward enabled on debian
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1890 [14:13:23] <bezaban> setra: do you have routes both ways on
the machines you are pinging to/from?
1891 [14:13:29] <jelly> setra: machines on inetA and inetB
segments probably need routes for the other network set in some way.
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1893 [14:13:57] <jelly> be it default routes, or explicit ones for
the other segment
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1895 [14:15:16] <jelly> oh, you have routers in between as well
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1899 [14:15:38] <asterismo> hi
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1901 [14:15:44] <jelly> that means [JESSIE8] also needs routes
defined for inetA and inetB segments
1902 [14:15:56] <asterismo> is there anyway to update PHP to
versio 7 in Debian 8 Jessie?
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1904 [14:16:01] <asterismo> like an official repo?
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1906 [14:16:53] <setra> jelly, I have in both routers static
routes for gateway of other net and on the debian server the
following
replaced-url
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1909 [14:18:30] <CeBe> asterismo: afaik there are no backports yet
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1911 [14:18:34] <setra> so if I ping on network A (192.168.0.0)
the debian server network card A (192.168.0.16) ->it works also
it works if I ping the network card B on the server (192.168.2.16).
I get a positiv ping back
1912 [14:18:45] <CeBe> asterismo:
replaced-url
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1914 [14:19:13] <CeBe> asterismo: I am compiling it myself
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1920 [14:21:08] <inviz> the package i had to install was
"virtinst" just fyi Psy-Q
1921 [14:21:32] <JohnA> Nazara: check /etc/network/interfaces has
auto xxxxx where xxxxx is the name of your interface. I found that
the line autp xxxx was missing. I am not sure that it has solved the
problem as I don't diconnect that often.
1922 [14:21:38] <asterismo> thanks CeBe
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1925 [14:23:34] <JohnA> Nazara: just tried to hw
disconnect/connect doesn't seem to make any difference?
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1937 [14:28:06] <Nazara> JohnA: using network manager
1938 [14:28:27] <Nazara> JohnA: it's happening on both wifi
and en, but works when I static
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1946 [14:35:29] <JohnA> Nazara: samew here
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1950 [14:37:43] <JohnA> Nazara, I have been using wicd which seems
to work for both wifi and wired.
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1954 [14:39:05] <JohnA> Nazara, but I cannot get it to just
connect on its own. I need to reinstall perhaps that might fix
problem.
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1971 [14:51:08] <Nazara> JohnA: turns out my router was being
silly, what threw me off was that windows was literally just working
1972 [14:51:30] <Nazara> unfortunately I can't help with
wicd, haven't used it
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1975 [14:54:23] <throwthecheese> Hi
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1977 [14:55:28] <throwthecheese> Can I use the full disk for
partitioning if I use win32-loader for installing Debian?
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1980 [14:56:16] <zykotick9> JohnA: have you selected the
"Automatically connect to this network" in wicd's
option for each network?
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1986 [14:58:28] <babilen> wicd is still alive?
1987 [14:58:43] <throwthecheese> Does the Debian installer run
from RAM?
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1990 [14:58:55] <tx> babilen: check the package stats
1991 [14:58:57] <zykotick9> babilen: it is :| i like it as a
console network manager
1992 [14:59:18] <Nazara> nmcli and nmtui work pretty well for that
too
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1996 [15:01:56] <zykotick9> Nazara: i must say, i expected my
"apt install network-manager" to want to pull in a LOT of
additional packages... turns out, it only wants to install seven.
which is totally reasonable, so perhaps i should give n-m another
try sometime soon.
1997 [15:02:15] <Nazara> yeah I use it on my buildroot router
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1999 [15:02:20] <Nazara> it's pretty nice
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2003 [15:04:49] <Brigo> zykotick9, n-m got a log better lately.
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2005 [15:05:59] <zykotick9> Brigo: i must say, it's my
personal poor history with n-m that has been keeping me away... but
i really will give n-m another shot in the near future. thanks for
the update
2006 [15:06:26] <Brigo> zykotick9, almost everybody has a poor
history with n-m. :)
2007 [15:06:44] <Brigo> only exception those who have never used
it :D
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2009 [15:06:54] <zykotick9> ;)
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2011 [15:07:25] <dTal> I remember when replacing network manager
with wicd was de rigeur for a new system, along with diking out
pulseaudio
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2019 [15:12:25] <tw> It still isn't?
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2021 [15:12:47] <tw> I think disabiling it is still part of the RH
server setup guide.
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2025 [15:15:04] <teraflops> RHEL 7 uses NM by default I don't
think they recommend disabling NM
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2029 [15:16:09] <dTal> why would you ever use it for a server?
2030 [15:16:32] <jelly> it's the default
2031 [15:17:08] <dTal> surely that's terribly overcomplicated
for something that probably has a static IP and is accessed mostly
through SSH :p
2032 [15:18:13] <jelly> not really, because such a setup will use
redhat's ifcfg (= text config file) backend which is almost
what an admin is already used to
2033 [15:18:28] <tw> My mistake, it doesn't get installed by
default anymore in RHEL7 unless you install desktop or network
developer roles.
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2089 [15:52:25] <J1sy> Hello just installed debian and i dnt see
grub
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2096 [15:54:05] <saijusgeorge> Hi All
2097 [15:54:30] <J1sy> [16:52:23] «J1sy» Hello just
installed debian and i dnt see grub
2098 [15:54:54] <vimpulse> J1sy: Hi! Sorry to hear.
2099 [15:55:02] <vimpulse> saijusgeorge: Hello!
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2112 [15:59:09] <saijusgeorge> I am troubleshooting a broken
Debian system. Can anyone tell me which running process
shouldn't be there
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2113 [15:59:44] <petn-randall> !goal
2114 [15:59:45] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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2116 [15:59:49] <petn-randall> saijusgeorge: ^^^
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2119 [16:00:52] <petn-randall> saijusgeorge: The process list is
likely irrelevant to your problem. Better describe your problem and
we can help you with that.
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2122 [16:03:47] <babilen> I like the yum-updatesd process though
.. interesting choice
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2124 [16:04:36] <saijusgeorge> petn-randall,babilen : i have a fun
task with me and the rule says "Once you are logged into the
server, you should search for a running process that shouldn't
be there and check the files opened by it: you will find the list of
tasks to be accomplished hidden in one of them!"
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2126 [16:05:09] <babilen> That sounds like a homework assignment
2127 [16:05:43] <bcd> and if it is, it sounds like the answer has
already been given ;p
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2130 [16:05:58] <petn-randall> saijusgeorge: Unfortunately, we
won't do your homework for you. Sorry about that.
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2137 [16:09:24] <saijusgeorge> petn-randall: this is not a home
assignment . I am very new to Debian and i don't know which
process could be an odd one :( . Need a little help or hint
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2142 [16:13:48] <oiuyt> Hi all
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2144 [16:14:24] <zykotick9> saijusgeorge: 1) i suspect your
question is homework and/or 2) that isn't output from a debian
system...
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2149 [16:17:22] <saijusgeorge> zykotick9: 1) it's not a
homework for sure 2) Yes , it an output from debian
2150 [16:17:32] <petn-randall> saijusgeorge: Where does that rule
come from?
2151 [16:17:36] <saijusgeorge> root@devops-test:/etc/yum# cat
/etc/issue Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
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2158 [16:19:44] <bcd> saijusgeorge: hint: package manager.. other
than that i think you already had more help than you might realize
2159 [16:19:57] <oiuyt> Iam trying to install debian 8 install
uefi laptop. I succeed once but then il hqd tout réinstall.
Nous uefi boot is not working anymore and i end up with grub
cli.....i was wondering if i have to delete my old debian entry ans
folder in uefi ?
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2167 [16:21:09] <saijusgeorge> zykotick9: I am preparing for a
DevOps test . I got this docker container and list of tasks from one
of my friends. But this turned out to be a Debian box.
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2169 [16:21:39] <centrx> oiuyt: That's what I would probably
do, start from scratch, but I'm not closely familiar with UEFI
2170 [16:21:39] <saijusgeorge> and i am very new to this.
2171 [16:21:43] <nkuttler> saijusgeorge: either way, we're
not doing your homework. go read an lpic book or something
2172 [16:21:47] <centrx> oiuyt: Another option is disable
UEFI/Secure Boot in the BIOS
2173 [16:22:04] <nkuttler> !guide
2174 [16:22:04] <dpkg> [guide] at
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2175 [16:22:16] <nkuttler> !tell saijusgeorge about debian
handbook
2176 [16:22:23] <oiuyt> Centrx: sécure boot is disabled
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2181 [16:22:46] <centrx> oiuyt: Secure Boot == UEFI
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2183 [16:22:56] <centrx> oiuyt: so maybe the UEFI installation
doesn't work when it is disabled?
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2186 [16:23:21] <oiuyt> Hum ..im usine uefi for Windows without
secureboot
2187 [16:23:59] <oiuyt> And i had debian working a thé same
time
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2189 [16:24:22] <rgr> in gnome3 how can I set up smartdns? The
default dns of 192.168.2.1 (my router) precedes them.
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2191 [16:24:33] <oiuyt> But il réinstall debian re install
grub but endroit
2192 [16:24:37] <rgr> seems no way in the network settings UI to
change this.
2193 [16:24:44] <oiuyt> Ends in grub cli
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2205 [16:29:08] <jhutchins_wk> centrx: SecureBoot != EFI.
It's an optional feature within UEFI.
2206 [16:29:17] <oiuyt> Exact
2207 [16:29:37] <centrx> I see. I thought Secure Boot was the
Microsofty name for UEFI
2208 [16:29:50] <oiuyt> Só should i delete debian boot
entry and folder offre thé uefi part?
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2212 [16:30:25] <jhutchins_wk> oiuyt: Are you getting something
like "No usable graphical mode found"?
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2228 [16:35:43] <oiuyt> Jhutchins_wk: no. I end up grub cli. When
i load vmlinuz and then init.d, i execute boot ans it print
"boot in blind mode" and then nothing
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2238 [16:38:50] <jhutchins_wk> oiuyt: Yup. New HP laptop?
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2241 [16:39:40] <jhutchins_wk> oiuyt: I get errors from
update-grub, appears to be polling for some system variables and
getting a null response.
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2243 [16:40:40] <jhutchins_wk> centrx: EFI has been in use for
more than a decade, mostly on IBM mainframes and Macs until it
started showing up on Intel systems.
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2246 [16:41:34] <oiuyt> Jhutchins_wk : yes!! Hp omen ax212nf
2247 [16:41:59] <oiuyt> But it works first time and install
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2249 [16:42:19] <jhutchins_wk> oiuyt: I figure I'll wait for
an update to grub and/or a little closer to stretch release.
2250 [16:42:54] <jhutchins_wk> oiuyt: Yeah, I can boot in rescue
mode, and there is some code out there for setting the graphical
mode in the grub config, but I figure it doesn't matter if
update-grub doesn't work.
2251 [16:43:54] <oiuyt> Só?
2252 [16:44:06] <oiuyt> Have to wait?
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replaced-url
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2258 [16:46:46] <jhutchins_wk>
replaced-url
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2262 [16:48:06] <jhutchins_wk> Redirects to
replaced-url
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2267 [16:49:17] <CeBe> jhutchins_wk: Bug search on
replaced-url
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2273 [16:51:47] <jhutchins_wk> CeBe: The search box at the top of
the page returns results, but not bugs, just general Debian pages.
2274 [16:52:08] <jhutchins_wk> CeBe: Looking for "booting in
blind mode", a grub error associated with recent HP laptops.
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2276 [16:53:37] <CeBe> jhutchins_wk: on the page I linked you can
scroll down to see search by package name or bug report subject
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2283 [16:57:13] <jhutchins_wk> CeBe: I'm not finding
anything. I'll submit a report when I'm home and able to
get details.
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2286 [16:58:12] <tdn> I am in the process of upgrading PG on a
debian server just upgraded from debian 7 to debian 8. So PG is
upgraded frmo 9.1 to 9.4. I just did "pg_dropcluster --stop 9.4
main" followed by "pg_upgradecluster -v 9.4 9.1 main"
(as root). It failed with the error: "Error: Could not stop old
cluster". So now I am unsure what state my system is in. Did I
just break my db?
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2298 [17:04:13] <jasonwc> Does anyone know if there are binaries
for Plex Player or OpenPHT available for Debian Stretch? I can only
find them for wheezy and jessie.
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2438 [18:02:25] <dury> hi there all :-)
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2450 [18:06:00] <dury> I've booted netinstall in a laptop
"jessie" not ethernet card... just pcmcia wireless card
usr5410 which driver should I choose from the list
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2453 [18:07:09] <jelly> dury: the simplest thing to do is probably
use the unofficial netinst image with firmware and hope it works
2454 [18:07:15] <jelly> !firmware images
2455 [18:07:15] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
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2460 [18:10:05] <dury> jelly,
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2461 [18:10:29] <dury> jelly, correct?
2462 [18:11:05] <jelly> dury: if you want to make a 32-bit
installation, yes
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2464 [18:11:42] <dury> jelly, yeap it's old computer though
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2466 [18:11:56] <jelly> dury: how much RAM does the system have
and how old is it? amd64 is probably ok for everything newer than
2008
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2468 [18:12:09] <jelly> except some atom stuff
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2473 [18:12:42] <dury> 700 mb probably, jelly
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2475 [18:13:51] <dury> it's toshiba satellite 2800-400
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2477 [18:14:05] <Silicium> hi there
2478 [18:14:05] <jelly> ouch. Yeah go with i386.
2479 [18:14:13] <stoned> 700mb ram?
2480 [18:14:18] <stoned> That sounds very odd.
2481 [18:14:37] <Silicium> are there known issues when running
stretch on a KVM Host running squeeze?
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2483 [18:15:10] <Silicium> err i mean jessie, not squeeze
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2485 [18:16:34] <dury> jelly, you think with *.iso the pcmcia will
detect or what once again "usr5410"
2486 [18:17:03] <dury> I mean with that iso
2487 [18:17:14] <jelly> dury: if it's this system you'll
have a hard time installing debian 8, dpkg and apt on their own need
128MB+ of RAM
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2491 [18:18:24] <jelly> dury: if it's a firmware issue and
that's a 32bit cardbus card, not actual 16bit pcmcia, then yes.
If it's really pcmcia then... no idea. I'd used that
around debian 4-5 maybe?
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2497 [18:21:00] <dury> jelly, it's debian on it already but
can't detect wireless signal the router it's so close that
it should
2498 [18:21:04] <jelly> dury: I wouldn't install debian 8 for
workstation/GUI use on anything with less than 2GB RAM, or 256MB for
a small server without GUI. Try oldstable (wheezy, debian 7) maybe
if this doesn't work, or go even older
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2501 [18:21:42] <jelly> dury: which debian release is instaled
right now"?
2502 [18:21:46] <jelly> !debian suite
2503 [18:21:46] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release
-sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the
distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab
almost all distributions.
2504 [18:21:58] <dury> hang on
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2506 [18:22:43] <dury> 6.0
2507 [18:23:05] <jelly> might be a better idea to try make that
work instead of pushing the limits
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2509 [18:23:24] <dury> after typing cat /etc/debian_version
2510 [18:24:11] <dury> yeah but not connection to the net
2511 [18:24:17] <jelly> dury: what does "free -m" say,
how much RAM is there in Total column, Mem: line?
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2516 [18:25:42] <jelly> dury: does your router have (old, legacy)
B and G modes for 2.4GHz enabled?
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2518 [18:25:44] <dury> 185
2519 [18:26:02] <jelly> so it's 192MB, filled up to max
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2521 [18:26:57] <dury> I suppose that not sure :-(
2522 [18:27:02] <misirk85> hi all
2523 [18:27:12] <jelly> maybe you can find a usb wireless card
that will work better. Some work without external firmware
2524 [18:27:36] <jelly> rt73 based
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2526 [18:28:04] <dury> jelly, or pcmcia ethernet connectio
2527 [18:28:06] <jelly> or a wired pcmcia
2528 [18:28:30] <jhutchins_wk> dury: I'm curious what the
pciid would be - lspci -nn
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2530 [18:28:44] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: assuming it's a cardbus
2531 [18:29:02] <jelly> if it's 16-bit pcmcia it won't
be visible on PCI bus
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2535 [18:29:59] <jelly> dury: but yeah, do you see anything
resembling that wifi card in "lspci -nn" output and what
does its line say
2536 [18:30:15] <kfogel> I'm doing a dist-upgrade of a
mostly-'testing'-distro box that had 4 years of uptime and
hadn't had a full dist-upgrade in a long time. I just rebooted
after a mostly-successful dist-upgrade, but now am getting this:
replaced-url
2537 [18:30:54] <kfogel> (a perl problem: "Can't locate
Storable.pm in @INC" -- I suspect this is affecting
apt-get's own ability to operate, and thus am not sure how to
solve it via apt)
2538 [18:31:35] <dury> network controller texas instrument acx111
54Mbps wireless interface
2539 [18:31:45] <nkuttler> kfogel: download the package from
packages.debian.org and dpkg -i it
2540 [18:31:56] <kfogel> nkuttler: duh -- should have thought of
that. Thank you.
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2542 [18:32:35] <jelly> kfogel: which version of perl and
libperl5* packages do you have installed?
2543 [18:32:53] <jelly> !acx111
2544 [18:32:53] <dpkg> acx-mac80211 is an experimental,
reverse-engineered, out-of-tree <mac80211> driver for wireless
LAN devices based on Texas Instruments ACX100/TNETW1100,
ACX111/TNETW1130, ACX100USB and TNETW1450 chipsets. This driver
supports <WPA> and WPA2. To install on Debian systems, see
replaced-url
2545 [18:33:05] <kfogel> jelly: 5.14.2, and I think what I need is
5.24.1 (which
replaced-url
2546 [18:33:32] <jelly> kfogel: oh dear
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2548 [18:33:38] <kfogel> jelly: that's not reassuring :-)
2549 [18:33:48] <jelly> kfogel: that means you started from a
pre-jessie release system
2550 [18:33:54] <kfogel> jelly: probably. this box was ancient
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2553 [18:34:04] <dury> jelly, so?
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2555 [18:34:48] <jelly> dury: 3.2 kernel was only available for
debian 6 in backports repo.
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2563 [18:35:50] <jelly> dury: good thing is this is a cardbus
device so there's good chance it might work if you get the
right kernel and firmware
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2567 [18:36:42] <jelly> kfogel: it would have been a better idea
to release upgrade to wheezy, then to jessie, then to current
testing
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2569 [18:37:16] <dury> jelly the one is running doesn't work
you mean?
2570 [18:38:03] <jelly> dury: what does "uname -r" say?
2.6.32 something? That'd be too old yeah
2571 [18:38:16] <dury> 6.0 is squeeze or what
2572 [18:38:20] <jelly> yes
2573 [18:38:24] <dury> one sec
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2577 [18:39:38] <dury> after uname -r is 2.6.32-5-686
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2581 [18:40:33] <jelly> kfogel: if you've got nothing to
lose, you may try installing perl, perl-base, perl-modules-5.24,
libperl5.24 with dpkg
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2583 [18:41:15] <jelly> kfogel: which libc6 is installed?
2584 [18:41:37] <kfogel> jelly: one ce
2585 [18:41:42] <dury> so download that iso as we've said
before, right, jelly?
2586 [18:41:43] <kfogel> jelly one sec
2587 [18:42:07] <kfogel> jelly: hmm, what's best way to
determine that?
2588 [18:42:23] <jelly> kfogel: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
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2593 [18:43:11] <kfogel> jelly: 2.24-9 (amd64)
2594 [18:43:22] <jelly> dury: I'd probably try debian 7
(oldstable, wheezy) firmware image instead of debian 8
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2597 [18:44:02] <kfogel> jelly: (thanks for the command line clue;
I have to do kind of stuff less often than once a year, so I can
never remember when/how to drive dpkg)
2598 [18:44:04] <jelly> dury: it still might need manual download,
dunno. See /msg dpkg acx firmware
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2602 [18:44:29] <jelly> kfogel: in that case you shouldn't
run testing.
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2606 [18:44:44] <kfogel> jelly: Been running it for literally
decades.
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2608 [18:44:50] <kfogel> jelly: (or as long as Debian's been
around)
2609 [18:45:12] <jelly> or at thevery least patch it up more often
than once in 4 years
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2611 [18:45:20] <jelly> !debian-next
2612 [18:45:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2614 [18:45:26] <kfogel> jelly: (let me clarify: on my own boxes,
I run a dist-upgrade literally daily. This is not my own box.)
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2616 [18:45:44] <jelly> then, you shouldn't run testing on
"not your own box"
2617 [18:45:51] <dury> jelly, see that where? on the net or just
type in terminal
2618 [18:45:59] <kfogel> jelly: (it's rare that I have to use
dpkg itself, so questions like "How to determine the Debian
version number of an installed package?" do not have an
automatic index in my mind, though I suppose I would puzzle it out
eventually :-) )
2619 [18:46:02] <jelly> dury: type in irc, get message from bot
2620 [18:46:23] <dury> ok
2621 [18:46:31] <jelly> kfogel: that's a clue you
shouldn't be usng testing, too :-)
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2624 [18:47:54] <kfogel> jelly: I appreciate the help you have
given me so far -- not sarcastic there at all, in case tone
doesn't come through in IRC -- but in generally I think
you'd have to know a lot more about a person's
circumstances before giving blanket advice like that. Debian
'testing' has worked out very well as a production env for
me for a very, very long time, and I evaluated the costs and
benefits pretty carefully.
2625 [18:47:55] <jelly> kfogel: I'd restore that machine from
backup if possible; if not, switch the repositiories to
"stretch" instead of "testing" and try to fix
the most obvious breakages
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2628 [18:48:19] <kfogel> jelly: thanks; I may try that stretch
trick
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2631 [18:48:44] <kfogel> jelly: the machine is running fine; it
just rebooted successfully. I'd just like the apt tree to be in
a cleaner state. You have given me some excellent starting poitns.
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2633 [18:48:54] <jelly> kfogel: and it might work for you, but as
you can see, it fails badly when you're dealing with a system
using a... different update frequency
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2635 [18:49:31] <kfogel> jelly: yes. We decided to have a more
frequent upgrade policy for this box, for exactly that reason.
However, today is the first day of that upgrade policy :-). So, we
expected today to be... problematic.
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2638 [18:50:18] <kfogel> jelly: (I did not have dictatorial
sysadmin powers on this box; if I had, there would have been very
frequent dist-upgrades, you can bet!)
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2641 [18:50:25] <jelly> if you join #debian-next (over on
irc.oftc.net) you'll get help more appropriate for testing.
Here, I have to keep in mind other people are reading and expound on
best practices
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2643 [18:50:40] <dury> I don't know what to do though
2644 [18:50:51] <jelly> kfogel: keeping "stable" or
"testing" in sources.list is... not the best practice :-)
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2646 [18:51:03] <hanasaki> in what directory should admin added
systemd .service files be put?
2647 [18:51:09] <kfogel> jelly: ah, it's on irc.oftc.net -- I
mindlessly tried to join it here on Freenode and got invite-only
error of course. But that's b/c it was the wrong server.
I'll head over there. Thanks for your help so far.
2648 [18:51:21] <dury> better wired pcmcia though
2649 [18:51:32] <jelly> dury: that might work out of the box yes
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2651 [18:51:54] <Yamato> credit card
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2654 [18:52:08] <dury> which brand
2655 [18:52:16] <jelly> dury: did you get a message from dpkg bot?
2656 [18:52:27] <dury> yeah
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2661 [18:53:50] <dury> jelly, one this info
replaced-url
2662 [18:53:58] <dury> and...
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2664 [18:54:27] <dury> this one
replaced-url
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2667 [18:54:56] <PryMar56> hanasaki, man systemd.unit
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2670 [18:55:22] <jelly> dury: sorry, someone else will have to
jump in, I'm busy and away from keyboard
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2673 [18:55:40] <dury> jelly no rush
2674 [18:55:54] <hanasaki> PryMar56: thanks
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2685 [18:58:28] <Kelebor> hi
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2690 [18:59:27] <asarch> "There is 1 newly obsolete package:
linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned" <- What does it
mean?
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2715 [19:08:16] <hanasaki> PryMar56: so it looks like they should
be in /etc/systemd/user/*
2716 [19:08:16] <hanasaki> however the service is not found after
creation. not even with a daemon reload
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2722 [19:09:39] <laja> Hello. curl
replaced-url
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2734 [19:13:16] <laja> Lynx also fails to load
replaced-url
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2737 [19:14:55] <PryMar56> hanasaki, /etc/systemd/system is a
better choice. To see what failed, systemctl status
myservice.service or tail journalctl
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2744 [19:17:52] <hanasaki> PryMar56: why is /etc/systemd/system
better?
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2747 [19:18:13] <PryMar56> hanasaki, are you trying to start the
service with --user switch?
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2766 [19:28:09] <hanasaki> PryMar56: nope. installing a java
applicaitno that runs as a server and want it to autostart on boot
under a user ID. runs on a high number port
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2831 [19:56:30] <fif> hey all :)
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2843 [20:01:08] <max3> what's the easiest way to set up
outgoing only MTA?
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2853 [20:03:49] <fif> hey folks :)
2854 [20:03:51] <fif> here is the deal: I've got an iphone 5,
bought it three years ago(yeah, I know it's a long time for
iphone), this iphone has been jailbroken by me in the past, now
I've updated the iOS to the lastest and the jailbreak was
removed, everything is working fine except this: it shows Im using
13 GB of memory and the memory is full, when I enter settings and
manualy calculate how much each app is
2855 [20:03:51] <fif> using, it sums up to 5 GB ONLY, needless to
say the iphone constantly telling me that the storage is full, what
can I do?
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2858 [20:05:29] <somiaj> do you have a lot of pictures/video on
the phone, that wno't be in the total of space used apps
2859 [20:05:47] <fif> no, I counted them in my calculation
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2865 [20:06:20] <fif> settings can tell you how much space your
photo album is taking
2866 [20:06:25] <somiaj> there could be other things using data,
but I don't know ios that well, and this really isn't a
debian support question
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2869 [20:06:46] <fif> yeah Im sorry, but I can't talk on
##iphone
2870 [20:07:29] <somiaj> well this is not the place to ask
questions. Register an account with nickserver (ask in #freenode for
info on this) if that is what is required.
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2873 [20:07:59] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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2879 [20:08:47] <tobiasBora> I have some troubles to configure a
special network (I'd like to install cjdns on a chroot on my
mobile phone).
2880 [20:08:58] <tobiasBora> The install/launch does not gives me
any problem
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2882 [20:09:44] <somiaj> tobiasBora: I guess I don't follow
you, is it the phone you are not able to configure? How does this
relate to debian?
2883 [20:09:45] <tobiasBora> ip a gives me a tun0 device, whose
ipv6 is fcc8:d5f2:a3e3:<...>/8 scope global
2884 [20:10:01] <tobiasBora> somiaj: I put on my android a debian
chroot
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2886 [20:10:15] <tobiasBora> somiaj: and from this chroot I
install cjdns
2887 [20:10:32] <jhutchins_wk> max3: dpkg-reconfigure
postfix-config
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2889 [20:10:41] <somiaj> tobiasBora: okay that clears it up.
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2891 [20:10:52] <max3> jhutchins_wk, really? postfix? not
nullmailer?
2892 [20:11:37] <tobiasBora> so on my computer, when I do
"ping6 fcd6:9c33:dd06:3320:8dbe:ab19:c87:f6e3", I can ping
a node of the cjdns network.
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2894 [20:11:52] <tobiasBora> (it goes through the tun0 interface)
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2896 [20:12:07] <tobiasBora> however, when I do the same ping6 on
my debian chroot, I get an error:
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2899 [20:12:51] <jhutchins_wk> max3: Postfix is the debian
default.
2900 [20:13:14] <userro> tobiasBora, are you using vpn/proxy?
2901 [20:13:22] <max3> jhutchins_wk, i'm running and neither
postfix nor nullmailer are installed by default
2902 [20:13:25] <tobiasBora> userro: no vpn/proxy
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2906 [20:14:18] <jhutchins_wk> max3: Do whatever you prefer then.
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2909 [20:14:27] <tobiasBora> So the error I have when I ping is
"$ ping6 fcd6:9c33:dd06:3320:8dbe:ab19:c87:f6e3
2910 [20:14:29] <tobiasBora> connect: Network is unreachable
2911 [20:14:31] <tobiasBora> "
2912 [20:14:44] <max3> jhutchins_wk, when trying to configure
postfix i get this problem
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2914 [20:15:10] <tobiasBora> while inet6
fcc8:d5f2:a3e3:<...>/8 scope global appears in tun0 when I run
ip a.
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2917 [20:15:18] <FinalX> ubnu1841723671830086
2918 [20:15:20] <FinalX> oops
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2922 [20:15:29] <FinalX> damn nano yubikeys :p
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2927 [20:19:12] <tobiasBora> The thing I don't understand is
that since fcd6 is in fc.../8, it should go through the tun0
interface, and at least timeout after a while, but not returning
Network is unreachable...
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2944 [20:23:25] <foul_owl> So I'm having an issue with
awesomewm, tried to file a bug report, and the devs laughed at me
due to debian using an ancient version. As the debian end user, what
should I do to resolve this?
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2947 [20:23:59] <foul_owl> Normally I would build from source, but
a frankensystem is apparently a bad practice
2948 [20:24:06] <foul_owl> So I'm tearing my hair out over
here
2949 [20:24:09] <akkad> what is the name of the arm64 64bit
userland port?
2950 [20:24:17] <akkad> armhf and armle appear to be 32bit
userlands
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2964 [20:29:21] <bschool> How do i add to "start" menu
on debian? for example I want to add eclipse to usual applications
> programming
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2968 [20:29:35] <CeBe> foul_owl: the debian way of reporting bugs
would be on the debian bug tracker, if a fix exists, it could be
included in your version by the maintainer
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2975 [20:30:41] <CeBe> ,v awesomewm
2976 [20:30:42] <judd> No package named 'awesomewm' was
found in amd64.
2977 [20:30:56] <CeBe> ,v awesome
2978 [20:30:58] <judd> Package: awesome on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.4.13-1; jessie: 3.4.15-1+b1; sid: 4.0-1; stretch: 4.0-1
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2984 [20:32:57] <jhutchins_wk> foul_owl: It's better to
report the bugs to Debian, and if the maintainers find that
it's upstream, they have far more influence in reporting it
upstream.
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2986 [20:33:15] <CeBe> bschool:
replaced-url
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2991 [20:34:26] <CeBe> bschool: depends on the desktop environment
you are using though
2992 [20:35:15] <TomTomTo1> !tell foul_owl about ssb
2993 [20:35:20] <ashka> hi, is a bug report relevant when an issue
is caused by a postinst script because of an invalid value in
already in-place configuration files during an upgrade?
2994 [20:35:37] <TomTomTo1> foul_owl: you can build awesome 4.0
from sid source.
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2997 [20:36:55] <jhutchins_wk> ashka: I think dpkg figures that if
you have an existing configuration, it must be working the way you
want.
2998 [20:37:29] <jhutchins_wk> ashka: If the config format or
directives change dpkg might know about that - but it doesn't
fix Apache, so probably not.
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3000 [20:38:04] <jhutchins_wk> ashka: An invalid config value is
not a bug unless it's from the default config.
3001 [20:38:06] <n4dir> bschool: others probably know better, i
think what you are looking for is something like /etc/xdg/menus/ ;
or files which end with *.desktop. Not an answer, rather a
searchterm for a searchengine or a wiki
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3005 [20:39:28] <n4dir> now that i think of it: i think lots of
graphical environments and window-managers use something like
debian-menu (or similar, "locate menu | grep debian")
3006 [20:39:33] <jhutchins_wk> bschool: Also, debian doesn't
have menus. Windows managers running on debian do.
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3010 [20:42:54] <ashka> jhutchins_wk: I just find the lack of any
sanity checks very odd. my issue is with squid, I have cache dir set
to /tmp (I should have /tmp/squid or something), and postinst will
chown proxy:proxy -R /tmp basically
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3014 [20:44:19] <CeBe> ashka: you can report it and hear what the
maintainers say about it, if it is easy to add a check and improves
the situation they may add it
3015 [20:44:24] <aleph-TA> does anyone have an idea as to why my
DNS would stop working around every 5 hours while using openvpn in a
network namespace?
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3018 [20:44:47] <somiaj> n4dir: the debian menu has been
depricated. xdg-menus via .desktop files are all most modern debian
packgaes provide, so the old debian menu is very barren.
3019 [20:45:01] <somiaj> but some older wm's have not added
support for xdg-menus
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3022 [20:45:13] <somiaj> and apps don't provide the info for
the old debian menu anymore
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3025 [20:45:52] <ashka> CeBe: alright, thanks
3026 [20:45:59] <n4dir> i see, thanks. I don't use menus at
all, hence offered rather a searchterm. Anyway: thanks for the
correction
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3036 [20:51:51] <misirk85> hi, sorry i have question about install
tar xz codeblocks for debian jessie, i must extract arch and install
deb one after the other? Or is it fast installation method?
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3042 [20:54:03] <somiaj> misirk85: care to clarify what you mean?
Where are you gettnig these .xz files and they contain .deb's
or you are compiling their source code into .debs?
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3049 [20:56:25] <misirk85> i download
codeblocks_16.01_amd64_jessie.tar.xz, and I want to install.Here the
question arises whether I need to unpack and install deb packages
one by one, is there a quick way.
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3052 [20:57:14] <somiaj> misirk85: these are third party
.deb's? Unless they have a repo you can use with apt-get you
need to install them manually, you can do dpkg -i pkg1 pkg2 pkg3
....
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3054 [20:57:21] <somiaj> so install them all at once, but without
a repo you have to do that
3055 [20:57:27] <somiaj> I don't really know what codeblocks
is
3056 [20:57:38] <somiaj> ,v codeblocks
3057 [20:57:39] <judd> Package: codeblocks on amd64 -- wheezy:
10.05-2.1; jessie-backports: 16.01+dfsg-2~bpo8+1; sid: 16.01+dfsg-2;
stretch: 16.01+dfsg-2
3058 [20:57:51] <somiaj> misirk85: any reason you don't get
version 16.01 from jessie-backports?
3059 [20:58:01] <misirk85> c++ ide
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3060 [20:58:44] <somiaj> as in apt-get -t jessie-backports install
codeblocks
3061 [20:59:22] <misirk85> I am a new user and I wanted to try :)
3062 [20:59:52] <n4dir> mainly as a new user one wants to stick to
packages provided by debian. imho misirk85
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3064 [21:00:30] <misirk85> I install packages aptitude :)
3065 [21:00:31] <somiaj> misirk85: we don't really support
thrid party .deb's or repos because they don't meet debian
standards.
3066 [21:00:46] <somiaj> (they also may not even be made for
debian).
3067 [21:00:53] <somiaj> so if you can get the software from the
debian repo, I suggest doing so
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3070 [21:02:11] <misirk85> sorry, i didn't know :(
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3075 [21:02:40] <misirk85> thanks for help, and sorry for problem
:)
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3079 [21:04:27] <unborn> ,v dymo
3080 [21:04:28] <judd> No package named 'dymo' was found
in amd64.
3081 [21:04:42] <unborn> ah its works.. sorry
3082 [21:05:10] <somiaj> unborn: /msg the bot
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3084 [21:05:36] <unborn> somiaj: yes but I always forgot his
name.. I added that to my notes now
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3097 [21:12:45] <unborn> misirk85: welcome to debian :) and dont
be sorry to ask question or ask for help, we all do it sometimes.
Its normal, you are welcome to ask if you dont know how-to..
specially when you new user and dont know debian at all. Enjoy your
perfect debian!
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3103 [21:16:58] <misirk85> thanks :)
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3144 [21:34:33] <c-c> Hello
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3146 [21:35:05] <c-c> I restarted developing a base-desktop
install script for debian jessie.
3147 [21:35:18] <c-c> It fails on trying to install
"policykit-1".
3148 [21:35:45] <c-c> - This is a plain network install with
apt-get update && upgrade ran (today).
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3150 [21:35:54] <c-c> What is policykit-1 and why does it fail
atm?
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3155 [21:36:55] <somiaj> ,v policykit-1
3156 [21:36:56] <judd> Package: policykit-1 on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.105-3; jessie: 0.105-15~deb8u2; stretch: 0.105-17; sid: 0.105-17;
experimental: 0.113-5
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3158 [21:37:24] <somiaj> c-c: policykit is used by many dekstops
to help give the user root privlages for certain tasks, such as
shutdown/suspend
3159 [21:37:26] <c-c> - let me correct: Why does installing
policykit-1 fail on a jessie netinstall where apt-get update &
upgrade have be ran today.
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3162 [21:37:31] <greycat> "apt-cache show policykit-1"
to see what it is
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3167 [21:38:20] <teraflops> c-c: sharing the _exact_ error would
help
3168 [21:38:49] <semitones> Hey all -- I'm trying to set a
static IP on my computer. I'm following a good guide, however,
do I need to make sure I set an IP address that DHCP on my router is
not going to try to use for another device? How can I find out which
IPs are safe? And does this not matter? Thanks!
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3170 [21:39:18] <greycat> Yes, you must ensure you don't
choose an IP that your DHCP server might also be using.
3171 [21:39:25] <CeBe> semitones: why would you set a static IP on
a netowrk that is managed by DHCP?
3172 [21:39:43] <c-c> For my policykit-1 fail, see the script line
number 94 here
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3173 [21:39:48] <c-c> teraflops: ^
3174 [21:39:48] <semitones> CeBe, because it's not working
correctly now. I can explain the whole situation
3175 [21:39:49] <greycat> Generally, if you can do so, the
preferred solution would be to tell the DHCP server to give you
(your MAC) the same IP every time.
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3178 [21:40:11] <semitones> greycat, would that be through the
router config? I'm not sure how to affect the verizon router
3179 [21:40:14] <semitones> but I could try
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3181 [21:40:23] <CeBe> semitones: yes
3182 [21:40:45] <greycat> The second-best solution is to restrict
the DHCP server's range of usable IPs, leaving you a few for
manual assignment.
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3185 [21:42:14] <teraflops> c-c: TL;DR if a plain apt-get install
works, fix your script
3186 [21:42:46] <semitones> CeBe, I have a raspberry pi running
raspbian. It has wifi and is plugged in on Ethernet. It's being
used as a znc bounce. I wanted to connect to the bounce via the
hostname, however I can't ping the hostname for some reason
(because it's connected from both wifi and eth?), but I can
ping the IP it's on. There have been a few times I haven't
been able to SSH into it from any IP address. I'd also like to
port forward to the znc port so I can
3187 [21:42:46] <semitones> connect to it from outside my home
network. For these reasons, I want a network config that just works,
and thought static IP would be the answer
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3191 [21:43:39] <c-c> teraflops: it does, but why would the script
fail (ok may be my bash fail)
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3196 [21:44:38] <semitones> also I have two routers -- one main
one, and one extended one that the device is connected to
3197 [21:44:38] <CeBe> semitones: "however I can't ping
the hostname" - a hostname always resolves to an IP, so that
would be an issue with your DNS setup if you do not get the correct
IP
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3200 [21:45:16] <semitones> CeBe, so what do you think the easiest
solution is?
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3202 [21:45:17] <teraflops> c-c: ask in #bash or wait to see if
someone want's to take a look at your script
3203 [21:45:47] <teraflops> wants*
3204 [21:46:04] <greycat> #bash does not want to see
Debian-specific commands and errors
3205 [21:46:07] <semitones> Do I want to set up "dynamic
DNS?" "Dynamic DNS is a dynamic IP Address to be aliased
to a static hostname, allowing a computer on your network to be more
easily accessible from the Internet"
3206 [21:46:14] <CeBe> semitones: the two options pointed out by
greycat
3207 [21:46:18] <teraflops> fair enough
3208 [21:46:44] <c-c> teraflops: well, looks like it is related to
parameter expansion (null params)
3209 [21:47:05] <CeBe> semitones: the IP you get on the internal
network should be different from the IP you have on the internet, so
that seems unrelated to dynDNS
3210 [21:47:16] <unborn> semitones: log into your router where you
pi is connected found it and make it reserved.. done
3211 [21:47:23] <c-c> teraflops: or, perhaps the way apt-get
handles args/params has changed into more picky one
3212 [21:47:28] <unborn> - this also have nothing to do with
debian
3213 [21:47:35] <greycat> Am I the only person who does not
understand what a "base desktop install script" is
supposed to do? Isn't it just one apt-get command and
you're done?
3214 [21:48:31] <bazhang> greycat, perhaps the
'automatix' of olden days
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3216 [21:48:56] <teraflops> idk i did not read the sctipt
3217 [21:49:03] <teraflops> script :S
3218 [21:49:22] <SpeedyG> or the yum group-install equivalent ? :)
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3220 [21:49:54] <unborn> semitones: regards dyndns its fairly very
easy to do but you need to understand dns essentially if you would
like to run it with your bind9.. if you running pi as router which
would be very poor decision you can use something like dnsmasq - but
again, google is your help
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3226 [21:52:58] <unborn> semitones: if you decided to do dyndns
with bind9, you also would need to write some script.sh to perform
update of ip address and run it in cron like every hour or whatever
you prefer however as I said, setup dns is easy, you just need to
know what are you doing.
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3228 [21:53:30] <unborn> dyndns = on your own.. no 3th party
involved whatsoever
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3230 [21:54:17] <semitones> Ok I think dyndns isn't what I
want
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3232 [21:54:33] <greycat> I would not take unborn's ramblings
as authoritative.
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3234 [21:54:47] <greycat> If your router mentions *specific
external* dyndns services, then he's just wrong. Again.
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3236 [21:54:54] <unborn> semitones: dnsmasq is easy.. no dns
understanding need it, and I guess you could still write some
script.sh with cron to update the records in it.
3237 [21:55:03] <semitones> here's a problem though - on
##networking they told me my eth0 DCHP seems to be borked...
according to ifconfig, the IP address given through ethernet is
169.254.196.75, where the wlan0 ip address is 192.168.1.12. Does
that make a difference?
3238 [21:55:17] <unborn> records meh I mean text entries aka one
lines
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3242 [21:55:34] <teraflops> semitones: hostname is not the same as
fdqn, the easiest way of doing what you want is harcoding a hostname
in /etc/hosts, this is not useful if you have several machines on
your lan. you could setup avahi too. also if your router does
reflection/nat loopbak and you setup a domain name properly you
could connect to the fdqn from the inside (lan)
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3245 [21:55:55] <unborn> greycat: sure. good luck
3246 [21:56:22] <semitones> teraflops, I do have several machines,
so I guess that's out. I also already modified /etc/hosts
trying to do that -- maybe that could be messing thigns up?
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3249 [21:57:17] <`Kevin> semitones: indeed 169.254/16 netblock
suggests you did not get a proper DHCP OFFER from your dhcp server
3250 [21:57:18] <teraflops> semitones: how did you edited
/etc/hosts and on which machine?
3251 [21:57:23] <teraflops> edit*
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3253 [21:57:52] <somiaj> semitones: depending on the netmask those
two networks cna't talk to eachother, the 192.168.1.12 looks
like a standard internel network, while the 169.254.x.x looks like a
default that avahi sets
3254 [21:58:24] <somiaj> if you are using wifi, you may want to
disable/not bring up the eth0 interface
3255 [21:59:03] <`Kevin> ^ 169.254 is a link local RFC specd
address space :)
3256 [21:59:18] <unborn> greycat: I was talking about proper bind9
setup as your very own dyndns.. I mentioned dyndns on your own, no
3th party involved meaning his bind would provide that dyndns
service.
3257 [21:59:26] <unborn> anyway that was just site note
3258 [21:59:41] <teraflops> semitones: avahi is fine in you lan if
you trust the machines there
3259 [21:59:43] <semitones> teraflops, I used SSH to edit
/etc/hosts from the computer I'm typing on right now -- I could
pastebin the /etc/hosts. I probably did other things too trying to
change the hostname
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3262 [22:00:10] <semitones> I'd prefer to use the 192.168.1.x
network since all the other computers have IPs like that
3263 [22:00:12] <greycat> Editing /etc/hosts should not change
your IP addresses.
3264 [22:00:27] <semitones> I'm not sure what avahi is so
learning that would take some research
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3268 [22:01:12] <unborn> semitones: check hostname command and
hostname -f ...does both give you same output?
3269 [22:01:13] <teraflops> semitones: for the sake of clarity,
where you edit /etc/hosts file is the machine from which you want to
connect to the relay, right?
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3271 [22:01:25] <teraflops> unborn: unrelated
3272 [22:01:34] <unborn> teraflops: how?
3273 [22:01:35] <somiaj> semitones: I am not a fan of avahi, but
it is the windows like thing that trys to discover your address in
various ways.
3274 [22:01:48] <semitones> thanks for the explanation somiaj!
3275 [22:01:55] <unborn> nah forgot it.. i did try to help
3276 [22:02:07] <somiaj> semitones: but it is something that gets
installed on desktops.
3277 [22:02:14] <c-c> ok, my problem was related to bash array
expansion, fyi
3278 [22:02:41] <teraflops> semitones: avahi catalog/make
discoverable all services and machines in your lan, and give them a
name
3279 [22:02:47] <semitones> teraflops, I'm not sure exactly
what you mean, but I edited the /etc/hosts on the machine that I
want to use as the znc bounce, which is the machine that's
having trouble getting a DHCP lease on its ethernet port. Does that
help?
3280 [22:02:58] <semitones> unborn, I'm trying everything :)
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3282 [22:03:10] <semitones>
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3289 [22:04:56] <teraflops> semitones: the hosts approach is
editing /etc/hosts in the machine from which I'm going to
connect to the rpi. so I add 192.168.199.34 znc.local then I can
ping znc.local
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3291 [22:05:38] <bazhang> teraflops, is that debian or raspbian
3292 [22:05:44] <teraflops> idk
3293 [22:05:56] <teraflops> bazhang: it's semitones issue
3294 [22:06:24] <teraflops> semitones: wrong :S
3295 [22:06:26] <semitones> bazhang, raspbian -- how different are
they? (also hello old friend :)
3296 [22:06:57] <bazhang> semitones, raspbian has their own
support channel, you realize
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3298 [22:07:21] <c-c> I would like to hear comments. Currently my
'default ultralight openbox default desktop pack'
-installer uses bash to achieve install. Do you think this is a good
approach? Metapackages are annoyings as no grouping or comments
possible, makes mainteinance difficult.
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3299 [22:08:13] <semitones> teraflops, ah so if I understand, I
would edit the hosts file on every device that wanted to connect
through the network to the device in question?
3300 [22:08:15] <unborn> semitones: yeah I can see it.. I am very
well good in web stuff from server to code, however in past I was
massive pain in butt for ops here, and as you talking to most of
them, I often with other users get notification for no reason to not
listening to me (as you had few minutes ago) which I am fine with
it.. means you should take their advice, even if it is looking like
massive palava to you right now. Most of them are really great!
3301 [22:08:24] <teraflops> semitones: right
3302 [22:08:28] <semitones> should we take this conversation to
#raspbian? I thought this was general enough to be here
3303 [22:08:58] <teraflops> semitones: not me, I do not use
rapbian :P but you got the idea
3304 [22:09:12] <`Kevin> bazhang: its fairly low level stuff what
he is trying to acomplish, i wouldnt say its even distro specific
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3307 [22:09:29] <bazhang> just an fyi
3308 [22:09:30] <teraflops> I run debian in my bananapis and
odroids
3309 [22:09:33] <`Kevin> yep :)
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3312 [22:13:09] <unborn> .local domains on your local network can
give you some headache as well..
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3316 [22:15:59] <unborn> correct me if I am wrong but didnt
semitones asked to have one device on network to point other devices
to correct path / ip on network instead of editing hosts file on
each machine? also phones or tablets?
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3318 [22:16:16] <unborn> *to point to
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3326 [22:21:38] <semitones> I think that's right - i want the
other machines' irc clients (including phones) to be able to
talk to this device, both within the network and from over the
internet (via port forwarding)
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3330 [22:22:28] <semitones> right now I'm troubleshooting
with the ##networking crew -- definitely learned a lot here that is
helping me there
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3333 [22:24:23] <unborn> semitones: thats what I understood
originally.. I was always massive pain in butt for ops here coz
english is my 4th language and really here I very very often miss
post means I come and reply sometimes to something which is not
really relevant any more.. but I am trying to be better and I think,
advice to go and edit hots on each device is just ... - how you
going to do it on tablets and phones? iphone or android.. I
don't think so you would be even
3334 [22:24:23] <unborn> able to do it..
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3337 [22:25:24] <semitones> yeah I think that's what the ops
and everyone was saying too. I wonder if it will be as simple as
just disabling the wlan0 interface in the end... :p i'm still
working on understanding how it's currently configured
3338 [22:25:28] <unborn> anyway semitones if that is rp, I would
go on offtopic channel or perhaps pm.. I think I can help you in few
minutes without palava around (no jargon)
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3340 [22:26:23] <unborn> ah ops does not need to understand what
languages you speak.. and I admit they are right, i should never
miss reply to me or others regards the issue I am commenting to..
don't worry about that
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3343 [22:27:11] <unborn> semitones: since rp is not running pure
debian we should not talk about it here.. lets move on to off topic
or pm or whatever channel you want
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3347 [22:27:47] <mpalumbo> what is rp? Ras-Pi? sorry I am nosey
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3354 [22:29:11] <semitones> i'm happy talking about it here
in the open and learning the slow way, as they said it was low-level
enough to be on topic. I'll chime back in after I figure out
something... and Noetic yeah I'm using a raspberry pi, I
usually call them rpi :)
3355 [22:29:44] <Noetic> semitones: thanks, sorry I can be a bit
nosey, still has not killed me yet. .....key word is yet
3356 [22:29:50] <unborn> semitones: been there and been banned..
if ops are fine with it sure.
3357 [22:30:42] <unborn> rp or rpi or rpis same thing to me.. its
machine..
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3385 [22:36:47] <llamapixel> The new pi zero with wifi is a nice
addition for tiny tinkering.
3386 [22:37:22] <missmbob> yeah, but it's also offtopic :)
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3388 [22:37:31] <unborn> semitones: in fact its very simple.. once
you solve your networking issues (which I believe you have no issues
at all if you are on cable) come back or pm me.
3389 [22:37:44] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: ... unless you load
Debian on it.
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3391 [22:37:57] <unborn> jhutchins_wk: yeah
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3393 [22:38:05] <psychoticwarrior> semitones: what kind of
problems are you having
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3395 [22:38:49] <missmbob> psychoticwarrior: read the log/scroll
up if you're interested. there's quite a bit to go over.
3396 [22:38:56] <domovoy> hi, can anyone access this?
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3399 [22:39:28] <unborn> domovoy: yeah I can load icecast web
interface
3400 [22:39:28] <TomTomTo1> and the user already is in the right
channel, which is ##networking.
3401 [22:39:35] <unborn> ho https
3402 [22:39:53] <missmbob> domovoy: usually that's specified
in the server's httpd config.
3403 [22:39:54] <jhutchins_wk> domovoy: That site has http
redirected to https.
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3405 [22:40:08] <semitones> yeah i thought it was a debian
configuration issue at first, but then realized ##networking might
be more apropos
3406 [22:40:16] <domovoy> unborn, does it still work after
accessing
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3407 [22:40:20] <semitones> feel free to join in there if
you're interested
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3415 [22:41:10] <unborn> domovoy: direct domain access give me
some website.. read header some cubic image.. want sreenshot or
recording the screen?
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3424 [22:41:41] <domovoy> missmbob, jhutchins_wk : i know apache
(port 80) does a redirect to https, but i want to access port 8000,
there should not be any https there
3425 [22:41:43] <jhutchins_wk> domovoy: Doesn't work here
after the redirect. Times out trying to establish a secure
connection. I suspect errors on their end.
3426 [22:41:46] <unborn> domovoy: on chromium and or google chrome
I was not redirected to https..
3427 [22:41:53] <unborn> domovoy: update - not even on ff
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3429 [22:42:49] <unborn> website it self is https redirecting but
icecast does not..
3430 [22:42:59] <unborn> domovoy: is that what you after? ^^^
3431 [22:43:00] <jhutchins_wk> domovoy: It may be a multinode load
ballanced, some working, others not. 8080 is usually a proxied port.
3432 [22:44:08] <domovoy> unborn, well, indeed website should be
redirected, but icecast (port 8000) should not. and from my end,
firefox insist on https for the icecast page...
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3434 [22:44:57] <CeBe> domovoy: the https on port 443 sets a
Strict-Transport-Security: header
3435 [22:45:10] <domovoy> jhutchins_wk, errors on whose end?
3436 [22:45:13] <CeBe> your browser could be applying that to all
ports
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3438 [22:45:36] <domovoy> CeBe, well, that would be stupid, why
would it do that?
3439 [22:45:37] <CeBe> so it would not allow any non-https
connection with that domain anymore
3440 [22:45:42] <unborn> domovoy: its very simple.. don't
chance anything in icecast, there is no reason to do so.. you can
always setup folder in your apache then in your conf you can setup
proxy to
replaced-url
3441 [22:45:55] <missmbob> domovoy: i told you why
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3443 [22:46:16] <CeBe> domovoy: that is the idea behind that
header. it tells the browser to not do anything unencrypted
3444 [22:46:17] <unborn> domovoy: yeah ff would be like that and
you cannot run ssl on 8080 - well you can, but its ill adviced
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3446 [22:46:47] <unborn> domovoy: the way I said with apache
proxy, no port need to be given out.. and it will be https
3447 [22:46:56] <semitones> so for anyone following my drama, I
discovered that my /etc/network/interfaces had the line
""iface eth0 inet manual" for some reason... who
knows why it was there.
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3458 [22:47:03] <psychoticwarrior> i think you have to change a
.conf file or somehing in order to make it port 8080
3459 [22:47:04] <unborn> user will only click on link.. meh again
this is off topic
3460 [22:47:05] <unborn> sorry
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3467 [22:48:09] <unborn> domovoy: unfortunately google will follow
ff soon...just telling you
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3469 [22:48:39] <domovoy> so, i should get rid of the
Strict-Transport-Security: header ?
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3471 [22:48:53] <Digz> quick question, I don't think it is
any problem.... I run a debian server at home with 1 cpu 2 cores
defined in VMWare... as of late I have started running more
different things on it. I can change the cores from 2 to 4, I am
presuming that debian doesn't care at all and just distributes
whatever it needs to 2 more cores if it runs out of cpu? - or is
there some file on the OS I would also need to adjust and/or
recompile?
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3473 [22:49:15] <CeBe> domovoy: to sum up, the header is to allows
a website to tell the browser that it is working with HTTPS only and
every attept that is trying something without https is suspicious
activity.
3474 [22:49:35] <CeBe> it indicates that the website will always
only be available via Https
3475 [22:49:45] <unborn> 1+ CeBe
3476 [22:49:48] <CeBe> if they serve other stuff on that domain,
that is a configuration issue
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3479 [22:50:48] <unborn> domovoy: apache proxying would be way to
go.. no ports, ssl enabled, forced or not, that would work
3480 [22:50:53] <CeBe> domovoy: if you do not control the website
you can not get rid of the header, except by telling them about the
problem
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3483 [22:51:26] <domovoy> so actually, the right way to do it
would be to keep the header, but serve the radio on another domain?
3484 [22:51:44] <CeBe> domovoy: yes
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3486 [22:51:58] <unborn> domovoy: I can see you running it on
apache on ohv.. why not ask them for help? or you self managed?
3487 [22:52:22] <jhutchins_wk> Digz: It depends more on the
software. Take a look at what the CPU load actually is. If the apps
are multithread capable they can use more cores, but some just lock
on one.
3488 [22:52:28] <unborn> domovoy: not really need to do so
3489 [22:52:40] <domovoy> unborn> i manage everything myself,
did a debootstrap from ovh rescue
3490 [22:52:46] <jhutchins_wk> Digz: Remember, if you define x
cores VMWare has to wait until that many cores are idle before it
can give that VM a tick.
3491 [22:53:09] <semitones> hooray it is working again, now that
it really is using dhcp! Now going to try greycat's original
suggestion of making my router always give it the same IP address
3492 [22:53:15] <unborn> domovoy: sure, since that is offtopic..
see my message
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3495 [22:54:21] <unborn> semitones: that will work, however every
time you add or remove any device on network, you would go and edit
every single host file on those devices + you would be very happy to
forget about mobile devices..
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3497 [22:55:02] <CeBe> unborn: if you have a fixed IP there is no
need for a hostname or hosts file
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3500 [22:55:26] <semitones> you're right that pinging
"patpi" still doesn't work. However if I can get a
static IP I'll just reference that in my IRC clients
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3502 [22:55:53] <Noetic> semitones: check your router may have the
ability to give out speicifc IP address, so the router will still
give our DHCP to other devices but when the router sees the MAC
address of a specific device it will assign a specific IP to just
that device
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3505 [22:56:20] <semitones> Noetic, I'm going to try that --
verizon's config tools don't make it obvious but
that's my next step :)
3506 [22:56:40] <Noetic> semitones: is this a router/cable modem
in one?
3507 [22:56:45] <unborn> domovoy: thats what I was telling you
exactly.. glad you understand what I mean it
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3509 [22:57:14] <semitones> hold on I'll check if
there's a coax going into it...
3510 [22:57:25] <Noetic> ok
3511 [22:57:34] <unborn> CeBe: yes - I understand this all.. I was
referring to earlier palava here on irc.
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3513 [22:57:45] <semitones> Noetic, yes it appears to be what it
is
3514 [22:58:31] <Noetic> hmm, may have to do some digging
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3521 [23:01:31] <Digz> jhutchins_wk, yeah of course the software
also needs to work with it. I am not experiencing any issues at the
moment, so I am not changing anything for now.... but with a couple
of websites, a couple of databases, 2 game servers, and a variety of
other apps (ftp, unifi controller, radius, etc) I was just
wondering. Regardless, Debian is a beautiful thing :)
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3527 [23:03:20] <semitones> Noetic, I found a place on the router
that claims to set up Static IPs which might be code for DHCP
reservation. But I think we're in ##networking territory now.
I'm about to try setting that up
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3538 [23:06:58] <unborn> domovoy: have fun ;)
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3547 [23:10:40] <unborn> domovoy: btw that service is not normally
open to outside world - its really local on that port so as you can
see you can run any port there to be https also whatever location..
its just matter of preferences
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3553 [23:11:35] <psychoticwarrior> wita
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3566 [23:16:49] <semitones> CeBe, I think I've narrowed down
the problem back to "I can't ping the hostname" -- is
that an issue with the debian configuration on the device, or the
configuration of DNS on the router?
3567 [23:17:15] <unborn> heh
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3587 [23:19:05] <unborn> semitones: you should not be able to ping
hostname aka someting.something unless your router supports it.. you
should always use ip.. not a hostname.. I mean there are some smart
oses to do so but not all of them are able to.. I would not really
say its debian issue, nor any other linux issue
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3590 [23:19:22] <semitones> alirght I wont talk about it more here
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3593 [23:19:38] <unborn> ...and if your router supports it, then
you would not need that pi to do dns job for you :)
3594 [23:20:12] <semitones> However on a somewhat related note...
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3596 [23:20:31] <semitones> Do you think I could make a cron job
to check if eth0 had a DHCP lease, and if it didn't, to turn on
wlan0?
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3598 [23:20:42] <semitones> I realize that there's no reason
for wlan0 to be on if eth0 is connected
3599 [23:20:49] <unborn> :)
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3612 [23:24:26] <unborn> semitones: for sure you can setup cronjob
to check your external ip or internal ip every minute and if the ip
would change, then you could email it to you or send you hangouts
message or any other aim message
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3617 [23:25:30] <unborn> semitones: regards rpi - I would really
prefer not to talk about it here as its not really related to debian
it self - and this is debian support channel. sorry.
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3643 [23:36:51] <jasonwc> To run ZFS for the root fs, Jessie
requires an updated Grub from Stretch or Sid. When installing
grub-pc from Sid, apt also took its dependencies from Sid, including
libfuse2, even though the versions in Jessie would satisfy the
requirement. Now that these libraries have been upgraded, gnome-core
can't be installed as there is a conflict with the Sid package
for libfuse2. My question is how
3644 [23:36:51] <jasonwc> I can go about downgrading the
dependencies for grub-pc which don't actually need to be pulled
from Sid. Attempting to do so in a test VM just broke apt.
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3647 [23:37:48] <jasonwc> I'm in something of a Catch-22. I
got around this by upgrading to Stretch, which gave me a working
system without any unstable packages. However, there is no OpenPHT
binary for Stretch at this time. I need Jessie for OpenPHT, but I
need the unstable Grub for ZFS. :P
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3649 [23:38:47] <c-c> can you install OpenPHT from jessie
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3651 [23:38:57] <jasonwc> No, I tried.
3652 [23:39:09] <c-c> ie. specify version, or, specify release
3653 [23:39:11] <jasonwc> It depends on libcec3 (used for sending
IR signals through CEC)
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3657 [23:39:43] <jasonwc> I tried the Jessie OpenPHT 1.7.1
packages from here:
replaced-url
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3661 [23:40:22] <c-c> jasonwc: which release are you on?
3662 [23:40:44] <jasonwc> At this time, the machine is running
Debian Stretch
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3664 [23:41:09] <c-c> And grub and base system and apt works ok?
3665 [23:41:10] <jasonwc> I would prefer to run Jessie but was
unable to install gnome-core given the aforementioned issue
3666 [23:41:16] <jasonwc> Yes, everything works fine
3667 [23:41:26] <jasonwc> The Stretch system has only Stretch
packages, and works fine
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3669 [23:42:12] <jasonwc> However, the Jessie OpenPHT builds
won't install due to dependency conflicts and a Sid package
from July 2016 also won't install successfully for the same
reason.
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3672 [23:42:36] <jasonwc> I installed ZFS as root using these
instructions:
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3673 [23:42:56] <jasonwc> It requires grub from either unstable or
stretch.
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3675 [23:43:31] <jasonwc> I think it is possible to get everything
working if I manually install the grub dependencies from Jessie and
then install only the grub packages from Stretch
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3677 [23:43:36] <c-c> ok, I suppose I should first tell you to
read
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3678 [23:44:01] <jasonwc> Yeah, I know. I'm trying to install
the fewest number of packages necessary to get ZFS to function
3679 [23:44:09] <jasonwc> which I believe is just grub
3680 [23:44:10] <c-c> and no, I don't think your plan for
grub-deps-from-jessie&&grub-lib-from-stretch will work
3681 [23:44:16] <jasonwc> Why?
3682 [23:44:25] <c-c> And no, from what you say I think you
don't know.
3683 [23:44:30] <jasonwc> I checked the dependencies and all of
the libraries can be satisfied from Jessie
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3685 [23:44:38] <c-c> So, please read that link again...
3686 [23:44:51] <psychoticwarrior> udev seems to have bugs in kali
linux
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3688 [23:45:38] <jasonwc> c-c I should mention that I tried
backporting grub from Stretch to Jessie but the build dependencies
also could not be satisfied
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3691 [23:46:57] <c-c> so, stretch openpht won't work?
3692 [23:47:18] <jasonwc> There is no binary for Stretch yet
3693 [23:47:25] <jasonwc> If there was, that's what I would
be doing
3694 [23:47:28] <c-c> can you checkinstall it?
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3696 [23:48:05] <c-c> ie. download, make, checkinstall, dpkg
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3698 [23:50:54] <jasonwc> Perhaps, but someone mentioned it took a
day to compile on a dual socket server. OpenPHT can be compiled as a
standalone package but it appears that the source package (105MB) is
meant to build an entire embedded Linux environment with
PlexHomeTheater. Someone mentioned it took 24 hours to build on a
dual socket server. :/
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3700 [23:51:07] <jasonwc> I need to see if it's possible to
just build the standalone client
3701 [23:51:19] <jasonwc> the readme isn't that clear
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3705 [23:53:27] <c-c> I imagine openpht is like 300 packages, so,
trying to frankensystem that will give you headaches
3706 [23:53:32] <jasonwc> c-c So, you think it is never acceptable
to install testing/unstable packages on Stable, even with package
pinning?
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3708 [23:53:54] <jasonwc> Grub seems to have quite limited
dependencies
3709 [23:54:45] <c-c> I often mix systems, but only when its
something I can wrap my head around (1, max 2 deps, install diff
versions of the same)
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3711 [23:55:16] <psychoticwarrior> anybody run kali linux?
3712 [23:55:33] <Atm0spher1c> jasonwc, why not just backport from
unstable?
3713 [23:55:44] <c-c> jasonwc: perhaps you could contact the
openpht project and see if you could get stuff happening
3714 [23:55:44] <Atm0spher1c> or use docker if you need to mix
things
3715 [23:55:53] <jasonwc> Atm0spher1c: build dependencies cannot
be met
3716 [23:56:06] <jasonwc> I tried rebuilding grub
3717 [23:56:15] <PryMar56> jasonwc, how long to build grub2?
3718 [23:56:32] <jasonwc> I never got to that point. apt said
build dependencies could not be met
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3723 [23:57:19] <Atm0spher1c> I haven't been following the
whole conversation, but have you tried docker?
3724 [23:57:22] <jasonwc> c-c What specifically troubles you about
installing the dependencies first from Jessie and then just
installing the grub packages from Stretch?
3725 [23:57:26] <PryMar56> jasonwc, many of the build depends are
for cross-compile, like different flavors of qemu and also libxen
3726 [23:57:27] <jasonwc> Atm0spher1c I have not
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3729 [23:58:04] <c-c> jasonwc you about?
3730 [23:58:21] <c-c> jasonwc: try it and you will see it will
mostly trouble your system
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3732 [23:58:45] <jasonwc> c-c I was planning to do it in a test VM
first. I'm just curious why you are against it.
3733 [23:59:16] <c-c> jasonwc: see what apt says
3734 [23:59:17] <jasonwc> c-c I should note that I just installed
this systm yesterday. My server is 100% Jessie and was running
Wheezy until a month ago.
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3736 [23:59:29] <n4dir> imho it simply doesn't make much
sense to add testing packages to stable, cause then you won't
have a stable system anymore
3737 [23:59:29] <c-c> lol suddenly its *my* problem
3738 [23:59:37] <jasonwc> c-c My goal was to turn a system that
was running embedded OpenPHT into a backup ZFS server
3739 [23:59:46] <n4dir> you might just as well go directly for
either testing or unstable (or a mix of testing unstable)
3740 [23:59:56] <jasonwc> c-c No, I'm sorry. That is not what
I meant at all.
3741 [23:59:58] <c-c> jasonwc: I resign from your problem and your
goals and any question or problem you may have or have had. Ciao!
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