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• 64[00:31:03] <gebruiker> Guys, what is the command again to list all packages that are not installed from offical repository?
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• 69[00:32:45] <Atm0spher1c> why do you want to do that??
• 70[00:33:09] <bazhang> did you mean dpkg -l
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• 72[00:33:47] <gebruiker> bazhang: yeah similar but more elegantly and less time consuming
• 73[00:34:18] <bazhang> that takes about two seconds
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• 76[00:34:34] <Atm0spher1c> dpkg -l doesnt list not installed packages tho
• 77[00:34:34] <dpkg> No packages found matching doesnt list not installed packages tho
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• 79[00:34:41] <gebruiker> i know there is an aptitude reg exp somewhere that did this and I tried with apt-show-versions but to no avail
• 80[00:34:47] <Atm0spher1c> apt-cache search
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• 84[00:35:46] <TomTomTo1> aptitude search "?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(stable)))"
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• 88[00:36:07] <TomTomTo1> well... maybe not ?archive, lemme see.
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• 93[00:36:49] <gebruiker> TomTomTo1: thanks!
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• 95[00:37:08] <TomTomTo1> ?origin(Debian) would probably be a better fit.
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• 150[00:59:06] <f31n> hi, i've got an issue with psad, auto_dl / whitelisting istn't working?
• 151[00:59:58] <f31n> it keeps blocking my ip even though its inside of the auto_dl?
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• 173[01:12:31] <debbynoob> hello my dudes
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• 175[01:12:52] <debbynoob> does anyone here have experience booting debian live?
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• 177[01:13:23] <somiaj> it only boots in legacy mode, it won't boot using efi
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• 179[01:13:45] <debbynoob> i see
• 180[01:14:14] <debbynoob> i downloaded xfce debian to a usb
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• 182[01:14:25] <debbynoob> but now i'm not sure what to do
• 183[01:14:29] <somiaj> also use cp to put it on the usb drive. Don't use unetbootin or anything like that
• 184[01:14:31] <debbynoob> i know how to get to my BIOS
• 185[01:14:32] <somiaj> what os are you on?
• 186[01:14:41] <debbynoob> windows
• 187[01:14:41] <debbynoob> 10
• 188[01:14:46] <somiaj> !win32diskimager
• 189[01:14:46] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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• 191[01:14:54] <somiaj> use that to copy the image onto the usb drive
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• 193[01:15:05] <debbynoob> i used 7zip
• 194[01:15:07] <debbynoob> alright
• 195[01:16:10] <themill> 7zip is going to unpack the ISO into a collection of (unbootable) files
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• 222[01:24:46] <debbynoob> when i format my USB should it be in 16 bits or 64
• 223[01:25:44] <bazhang> did you mean fat32
• 224[01:25:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> the image contains the format. you copy the image on the raw stick device, not into a filesysem on the stick
• 225[01:25:53] <themill> debbynoob: for the installer?
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• 228[01:26:41] <debbynoob> themill yes the USB will be my installer, i haven't copied anything to it yet
• 229[01:27:03] <debbynoob> also the Win32 imager isn't finding any iso files when i go to select an image
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• 231[01:27:36] <themill> Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images
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• 233[01:28:06] <mns> I'm setting up a mail system on a new debian/testing system. whats a good spam filter to use ? I'll be using postfix as my MTA
• 234[01:28:13] <debbynoob> and then to send it to my USB i just hit "write"?
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• 236[01:30:11] <somiaj> mns: are you sure you want to be running a mail server on testing? Spamassin can work with postfix.
• 237[01:30:40] <somiaj> mns: arg spamassassin
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• 242[01:31:38] <mns> somiaj: yeah. That's what I used to do until my old system lost its power supply. I'm setting up a new system, doing it from scratch this time. I dont remember what I was using, since I had several things installed (dspam, spamassassin, spamc, postgrey, etc.)
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• 246[01:36:02] <debbynoob> kk so once i write the iso file to the USB i can restart my PC and try booting it up?
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• 251[01:38:36] <somiaj> debbynoob: yup.
• 252[01:38:45] <somiaj> If it dosen't boot double check you have legacy boot enabled
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• 296[01:58:31] <unkmar> Any ideas on how to create an active overlay window with transparent regions?
• 297[01:58:49] <debbynoob> okay so i tried using Win32 to write the .iso file to the USB and it corrupted the USB
• 298[02:00:15] <somiaj> unkmar: xcompmgr can create transparent windows using newer xorg extensions
• 299[02:00:39] <somiaj> debbynoob: it will destroy data on the usb and put the image on it. The usb should be fine though.
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• 302[02:00:59] <debbynoob> when i tried to boot it, the usb wasn't even found
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• 306[02:01:21] <debbynoob> like, i went to create a new boot path and it couldn't even find the USB
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• 308[02:01:36] <somiaj> debbynoob: sounds like you are talking about efi boot. You have to use legacy with the live image
• 309[02:01:48] <debbynoob> how would i go about doing that?
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• 311[02:02:11] <somiaj> load into your bios/firmware and double check the settings
• 312[02:02:32] <debbynoob> alright will do
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• 333[02:17:27] <debbynoob> so i went in and checked but legacy USB was already enabled
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• 336[02:18:45] <debbynoob> so yeah i don't know what's going wrong
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• 338[02:19:05] <debbynoob> the USB is still corrupted and my bios won't acknowledge it exists while its corrupt so i can't boot
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• 346[02:22:43] <jeep> debbynoob: remake the usb ?
• 347[02:22:50] <debbynoob> reformat it?
• 348[02:22:51] <petemc> debbynoob: why are you wasting time trying to use something you know is broken?
• 349[02:23:11] <petemc> beat me to it
• 350[02:23:17] <debbynoob> using Win32 to copy the iso file to the USB corrupts the USB
• 351[02:23:34] <thenwkg> Hello guys. I am trying to install this bitmap font replaced-url
• 352[02:23:38] <petemc> windows wont be able to read it, thats expected
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• 354[02:23:46] <thenwkg> Tried re loging and rebooting but still won't work.
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• 359[02:25:02] <jeep> debbynoob: windows cant read it and then you have issues in the uefi/bios with seeing or booting the usb .. check settings / maybe use different usb
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• 366[02:27:12] <debbynoob> is there another program i can use to copy the files to the USB?
• 367[02:27:16] <roger`> rufus
• 368[02:27:21] <somiaj> win32diskimager should work
• 369[02:27:24] <debbynoob> i used 7zip previously and it worked sort of,
• 370[02:27:28] <somiaj> roger`: rufus may not work with debian images and shouldn't be suggested
• 371[02:27:50] <somiaj> debbynoob: check the md5sum of the iso, make sure it wasn't damaged
• 372[02:27:50] <roger`> win32diskimager should work indeed
• 373[02:28:12] <debbynoob> how do i check the md5sum without extracting it
• 374[02:28:51] <jeep> debbynoob: used to be nice windows program md5summer i think it was called not sure ifit exists
• 375[02:29:02] <somiaj> you take the md5 sum of the whole image (the .iso) and compare it to what is listed on the debian download site
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• 378[02:32:09] <debbynoob> the process i followed was: torrent iso, then copy iso to usb using win32 or 7zip and like i actually got it to almost boot with 7zip i just lacked a .efi thing
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• 380[02:32:30] <debbynoob> so i should just re-torrent it and then try win32?
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• 382[02:33:01] <somiaj> you should check the md5 sum to ensure you the torrent didn't corrupt the download. win32diskimager should have made a bootable image (provided you use legacy boot)
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• 384[02:33:25] <somiaj> note the offical installers (not live images) do support more boot options (such as efi), you'll make the image int he same way (unsure if you wanted a live image or to install)
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• 388[02:35:23] <debbynoob> i wanted a live image
• 389[02:35:32] <debbynoob> idk maybe we should start from the beginning?
• 390[02:35:52] <debbynoob> this is where i should torrent my live image, right?
• 391[02:35:52] <debbynoob> replaced-url
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• 393[02:36:24] <debbynoob> i'm going with xfce if this is the correct place to download it, which i'm pretty sure it is
• 394[02:36:37] <somiaj> that might be your problem grab the iso-hybrid (not bt-hybrid)
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• 399[02:39:03] <debbynoob> ah i see
• 400[02:39:04] <debbynoob> alright
• 401[02:39:06] <debbynoob> replaced-url
• 402[02:39:17] <debbynoob> which of these do i install? there's a lot of them and i don't know the difference
• 403[02:39:57] <debbynoob> do i go with "[ISO] debian-live-8.6.0-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso " ?
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• 405[02:40:36] <debbynoob> sorry, i mean "debian-live-8.6.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso"
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• 408[02:43:06] <debbynoob> somiaj?
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• 412[02:44:46] <missmbob> live doesnt support uefi, btw
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• 414[02:45:00] <missmbob> i wouldnt use live to install anyway
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• 417[02:46:24] <missmbob> debbynoob: get the one that doesnt have the word "live" in the name
• 418[02:46:27] <somiaj> debbynoob: yup. And as missmbob said, the offical image is a better installer and boots efi. But for a live image that is what debian offers.
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• 421[02:46:54] <somiaj> and depending on hardware (like wifi) you may want the nonfree live image with the firmware.
• 422[02:47:00] <debbynoob> but i want to boot it live?
• 423[02:47:12] <debbynoob> OH
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• 425[02:47:14] <debbynoob> sorry alright
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• 429[02:49:20] <debbynoob> somiaj so i get the netinst from here? and download it and then copy it to my USB? replaced-url
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• 432[02:50:51] <somiaj> debbynoob: correct
• 433[02:50:53] <somiaj> !firmware images
• 434[02:50:54] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 435[02:51:26] <somiaj> that is an unoffical netinstaller with non-free fimrware that helps on lots of machines with wifi (and some wired) connenctions
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• 438[02:54:39] <debbynoob> sweet it didn't corrupt my USB and i see a folder called efi on it
• 439[02:54:46] <debbynoob> i'ma reboot and see what happens
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• 448[02:58:49] <Debbynoob> sweet Christmas it worked
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• 450[02:59:05] <Debbynoob> do I hit install now? Or graphical install?
• 451[02:59:08] <somiaj> Debbynoob: I think the only issue with the live image was you got the bt image not the iso image.
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• 453[02:59:31] <somiaj> Debbynoob: they are equivlant in terms of options. Depends on if you want a graphical enviroment or just a ncurses enviorment. Both work very similar (one allows mouse)
• 454[02:59:39] <somiaj> !install guide
• 455[02:59:39] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
• 456[02:59:46] <Debbynoob> Yeah this worked like a dream
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• 458[03:01:24] <unkmar> somiaj: Thank you. I think I'm looking for something more like a widget machine. Something that will let me craft a particarly window to have transparency effects. Not add generic fancy features to all windows.
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• 461[03:01:52] <debbynoob_> yeah so I went with graphical and now it's all installing and atuff
• 462[03:01:55] <somiaj> unkmar: xcompmngr can be done on a per window basis
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• 464[03:02:30] <debbynoob_> I'm missing some firmware
• 465[03:02:33] <somiaj> unkmar: I use fvwm and you can build custom transparent widgets with that (though only root transparent, so psudo, but it works)
• 466[03:02:51] <somiaj> debbynoob_: which is why I suggested the non-free image. Do you need wifi to install?
• 467[03:03:01] <unkmar> so, only root transparent, as in Desktop only?
• 468[03:03:18] <debbynoob_> yes
• 469[03:03:22] <debbynoob_> connecting to wifi now
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• 471[03:03:44] <somiaj> unkmar: or background of the root window (sometimes called the desktop window)
• 472[03:03:45] <unkmar> debbynoob_: congratulations.
• 473[03:04:04] <somiaj> but you should check out xcompmangr, not sure if you really want to swtich to a different window manager at this point.
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• 475[03:04:17] <somiaj> you can have it make a single window as transparent as you want.
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• 479[03:06:37] <unkmar> somiaj: Thank you. I think I will give up.
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• 491[03:11:47] <debbynoob> It's asking me to partition disks
• 492[03:12:12] <somiaj> debbynoob: it wants to know where you want to install debian. Do you have a partition ready?
• 493[03:12:43] <debbynoob> no, what is it?
• 494[03:12:56] <somiaj> your harddrive where the files are installed can be broken into multiple partitions
• 495[03:13:02] <debbynoob> I'm trying to do it all on one USB but I know this USB is tiny
• 496[03:13:04] <somiaj> you need at least 1 (well 2 for linux)
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• 498[03:13:18] <debbynoob> how would I make one?
• 499[03:13:41] <somiaj> usb installs can be slugish and hard to deal with. I would go get the live image if you want a live image. The advise about the netinstall was only if you were wanting to install this on your harddrive.
• 500[03:14:07] <debbynoob> rip
• 501[03:14:16] <somiaj> debbynoob: one of the options is guide partition or something like that and it will just partition it for you. Just becareful you pick the right disk because this will destroy the data on the disk
• 502[03:14:23] <somiaj> (after that debian will copy its data onto it)
• 503[03:14:48] <debbynoob> yeah like I wanted to so this live
• 504[03:15:35] <somiaj> then get the live image. Just get the iso-hybrid image (not the bt one)
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• 539[03:38:52] <__imp__> Hello! In the past (init) I was able to configure my VTs on inittab, and I could start any applications that I want (not only getty -> login ). Today, on systemd I have no idea how to add a command to start associated with a VT, someone can point me the directions?
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• 543[03:39:59] <Svetlana> __imp__: if nobody gives a helpful reply here, ask #systemd and share their solution here
• 544[03:40:26] <__imp__> Svetlana: Ok. Thankyou.
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• 546[03:41:30] <Svetlana> You are welcome.
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• 564[03:54:09] <primevere> whoami
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• 570[03:57:59] <missmbob> primevere: that's way too deep for this channel. try #debian-offtopic
• 571[03:58:15] <primevere> lol
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• 581[04:13:39] <missmbob> jmcnaught: i tried icedove bacause you mentioned you used it and i was bored. i have about a ten second delay when clicking on "write" and the compose window poping up. most clicks take several seconds to load a dialog (though not menu). do you experience this?
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• 588[04:15:10] <YottaByte> I want to download debian to install with a usb drive, which one do I need to download: replaced-url
• 589[04:15:14] <YottaByte> 64 bit cpu
• 590[04:15:45] <missmbob> YottaByte: will you have internet access that doesn't need special wifi to install?
• 591[04:15:57] <YottaByte> no internet access
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• 593[04:16:24] <missmbob> YottaByte: do you know which desktop you want?
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• 595[04:16:37] <YottaByte> whatever the default is
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• 597[04:17:00] <YottaByte> kde?
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• 600[04:17:22] <missmbob> gnome is default. replaced-url
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• 603[04:17:59] <edve> Isnt on cli on that iso ?
• 604[04:18:01] <missmbob> though with no internet you should probably get dvd1 just to be sure
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• 607[04:18:35] <missmbob> edve: do you speak english? what you said made no sense
• 608[04:18:46] <edve> Yeah lol sorry
• 609[04:18:58] <edve> Isnt only CLI on that disc ?
• 610[04:19:19] <edve> Im pretty surr the best would be to take the DVD
• 611[04:19:21] <YottaByte> missmbob oh really?
• 612[04:19:27] <missmbob> YottaByte: yes, really
• 613[04:19:46] <YottaByte> k downloading now
• 614[04:20:27] <YottaByte> I can use a usb drive with the dvd as well, right?
• 615[04:20:33] <missmbob> sure
• 616[04:20:48] <missmbob> YottaByte: how do you plan to copy the iso to the usb? (yes, it matters)
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• 618[04:21:41] <YottaByte> unetbootin is what I've typically used on windows
• 619[04:21:49] <missmbob> no, dont you dare
• 620[04:21:51] <missmbob> !unetbootin
• 621[04:21:52] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 622[04:22:01] <missmbob> you need to use win32diskimager
• 623[04:22:08] <missmbob> !tell YottaByte about win32diskimager
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• 625[04:22:42] <YottaByte> k will do
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• 627[04:22:51] <YottaByte> the page isn't loading
• 628[04:23:34] <missmbob> i dont know that "the page" means because i'm not psychic and can't see your screen
• 629[04:24:21] <YottaByte> the page loaded
• 630[04:24:53] <missmbob> that's terrific. thanks for clearing it up.
• 631[04:25:51] <ryouma> maybe referring to a web page that you pointed him or her to?
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• 643[04:32:49] <YottaByte> im writing the debian dvd .iso to my flash drive now using win32 disk imager. it defaulted to looking for .img but I selected the .iso. is that ok?
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• 646[04:33:24] <missmbob> yes.
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• 662[04:45:21] <jmcnaught> missmbob: i've never seen that kind of delay with icedove
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• 667[04:46:05] <ska> Does Grub support booting from Raid5/Raid6?
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• 670[04:46:23] <iamawesome> Hi, is there any command to check battery level of wireless mouse?
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• 686[04:59:17] <texnofobix> ska: I'm not aware of any, but doesnt mean it isn't possible. Are you planning on using raid5 as your boot media?
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• 693[05:02:37] <ska> texnofobix: No, I decided to create a 20GB partition. Booting from R5 is asking for troubles me thinks.
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• 695[05:02:57] <toruvinn> sigh. this is a bit less related to Debian I guess, but it does happen on Debian too. ;-P anyone any idea why mdraid (raid1) check/repair doesn't overwrite unreadable sectors on the devices? after trying out various things, i still have 2 pending sectors according to SMART.
• 696[05:04:19] <texnofobix> ska: It might cause more complexity than it's worth
• 697[05:04:49] <texnofobix> that is to try to boot on raid
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• 699[05:05:10] <texnofobix> also, software or hardware raid?
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• 731[05:29:58] <missmbob> jmcnaught: are you using gmail?
• 732[05:31:20] <jmcnaught> missmbob: not right now, but i did have a gmail account configured in it recently
• 733[05:31:46] <jmcnaught> i'm pretty sure gmail was configured with the wizard and it used oauth for authentication
• 734[05:32:49] <missmbob> jmcnaught: it's happening with me with google for your domain and yes it gave me oauth. but it's so slow. and with iceowl it will not let me dismiss alerts on calendars i only have read-only on. which is insane. do you use read-only calendars?
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• 736[05:33:44] <jmcnaught> missmbob: i just use local calendars. i've done caldav with owncloud and drupal
• 737[05:33:56] <nmschulte> Can I: dd if=/dev/sdb2 of=/dev/sdc3 # -- so long as sdc3 is > sdb2?
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• 742[05:35:32] <missmbob> jmcnaught: maybe i'll just try stretch at this point. i cant find any good email/calendar solution it seems on jessie
• 743[05:35:38] <n4dir> nmschulte: i can't see how trying should do any harm
• 744[05:35:52] <n4dir> i'd say, yes, you can, but would not be too sure
• 745[05:36:28] <nmschulte> n4dir: trying just means, long time is all.
• 746[05:36:37] <nmschulte> I think it'll work fine.
• 747[05:36:55] <n4dir> oh, they are big? i thought of SD-cards or USB-sticks, sorry
• 748[05:36:59] <nmschulte> It should be loads faster than an rsync, right? assuming the FS is mostly full.
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• 751[05:37:40] <nmschulte> sequential read / write vs "random"/ext4
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• 754[05:38:50] <n4dir> nmschulte: better wait till someone can confirm, perhaps dd if=/media/mount-of-sdb2 is needed instead?
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• 758[05:40:01] <n4dir> as far it's me i consider both, dd and rsync, to be rather slow. But with rsync following rsyncs will be way faster as long you use -u argument
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• 800[06:12:59] <LambdaComplex> Do the live hybrid ISOs support booting/installation in UEFI mode? The ones at replaced-url
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• 804[06:17:27] <jmcnaught> LambdaComplex: live images don't support UEFI booting
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• 807[06:19:08] <LambdaComplex> jmcnaught: Well, I'm trying to do a UEFI install of Debian with KDE. Which image should I use for that?
• 808[06:19:44] <jmcnaught> LambdaComplex: any of the installer images. Most people use the netinst image if they have a working internet connection during the install
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• 810[06:20:24] <LambdaComplex> jmcnaught: Will that let me choose a DE during installation?
• 811[06:20:41] <jmcnaught> LambdaComplex: yes, all of the installer images let you choose DE
• 812[06:21:43] <jmcnaught> the difference is that debian…-kde-CD-1.iso has a bunch of KDE packages on the iso, where netinst downloads what it needs during the install (which is usually less total downloading)
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• 817[06:26:00] <LambdaComplex> jmcnaught: Sounds like the netinst will work fine for me
• 818[06:26:03] <LambdaComplex> Thanks :)
• 819[06:26:38] <jmcnaught> LambdaComplex: cheers :) also the install manual for Debian is quite good, worth at least a skim: replaced-url
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• 826[06:28:25] <LambdaComplex> Might as well skim it!
• 827[06:28:45] <LambdaComplex> Trying to get my friend's new computer working. Tried Xubuntu first, but that...didn't exactly work
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• 829[06:29:33] <LambdaComplex> And by that I mean "Seemed to fail when switching to the proprietary nvidia driver, then failed when updating shim-signed via the gui updater, then apparently had issues updating 29 packages via apt"
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• 833[06:30:01] <plasmoduck> should have chosen Debian first ;-)
• 834[06:30:30] <LambdaComplex> Lesson learned ;)
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• 851[06:43:07] <missmbob> LambdaComplex: why do you think we should help you with ubuntu problems?
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• 864[06:54:15] <LambdaComplex> missmbob: well, if you read what i said, you'd see my solution was to install debian :P
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• 886[07:09:23] <Lope> is debian testing a rolling distro?
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• 895[07:14:18] <jmcnaught> Lope: no, it's a development release that imports packages from Debian unstable according to certain rules, and at some point freezes and then becomes a stable release
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• 899[07:15:36] <Lope> jmcnaught: if I set my apt sources to refer to "testing" rather than a release name, then will I have a rolling distro if I just keep upgrading it regularly?
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• 903[07:17:24] <jmcnaught> Lope: it's not recommended to set apt sources to testing. the period immediately after a stable release (when testing is thawed) can be quite turbulent with lots of major changes that were waiting in queue during the freeze
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• 905[07:18:12] <jmcnaught> Lope: there are other caveats too, such as testing gets no security support so it is usually the last to get security fixes
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• 907[07:19:02] <Lope> jmcnaught: what about running siduction if I want a rollind debian distro?
• 908[07:19:18] <jmcnaught> you also shouldn't consider testing unless you have the skills to fix your system when something breaks
• 909[07:19:46] <Lope> jmcnaught: okay, so if I want a rolling debian distro that's fairly stable, could I use stretch, and then just upgrade to the next testing release, when I'm ready?
• 910[07:19:55] <jmcnaught> Lope: siduction and others like it are separate distros from Debian that introduce other changes
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• 912[07:20:07] <Lope> I once upgraded a RbPi from Deb 7 to Deb 8. Was fairly easy.
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• 914[07:20:18] <Lope> A walk in the park actually, just took a while :)
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• 917[07:20:26] <jmcnaught> upgrading debian stable releases is easy
• 918[07:20:59] <jmcnaught> a lot of the work that goes into a new release is making the upgrade path as smooth as possible, it's one of the big reasons to use Debian
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• 921[07:21:21] <Lope> Well, it depends what you mean by "fix your system" but I've been using linux for 3 years, I regularly compile from source and have a bit of experience with stuff like backporting and bootloaders and whatnot.
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• 923[07:22:03] <Lope> jmcnaught: I like debian, but I find the packages are too old for my liking.
• 924[07:22:29] <jmcnaught> Lope: you could try to use testing as a sort of rolling distro, lots of people do. definitely read up as much as you can on the subject (preferring resources from debian.org). also testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 925[07:23:42] <Lope> So I've been using Ubuntu. But they have a 4 year release cycle, which seems to require a reinstall, though that may just be because I've been using linux mint mate.
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• 928[07:25:48] <jmcnaught> Lope: distros are more separate than you seem to think. mint isn't ubuntu, neither is debian
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• 931[07:27:08] <Lope> jmcnaught: yes I realize they're separate, but mint uses all of ubuntu's packages.
• 932[07:27:24] <Lope> So mint is basically all the ubuntu software, with a custom DE.
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• 935[07:28:35] <jmcnaught> Lope: it's the changes that mint makes that make it unable to do major release upgrades. ubuntu can do them, but that's off-topic here.
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• 939[07:29:23] <jmcnaught> Lope: not wanting to have to do a lot of maintenance on your computer once it's set up is a good reason to use Debian
• 940[07:29:42] <jmcnaught> the packages aren't that old, and they're extensively tested and bugfixed
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• 968[07:43:54] <Lope> On a laptop full disk encryption would probbaly be a good idea. Is there a good guide for installing debian on FDE?
• 969[07:45:15] <zykotick9> Lope: it's pretty straight forward with the netinst... just select it during the partitioning step
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• 971[07:46:32] <Lope> zyclonicz: ah yes I recall seeing it.
• 972[07:46:49] <Lope> zyclonicz: what about doing funky stuff like putting the bootloader off-disk?
• 973[07:46:59] <Lope> and the headers etc
• 974[07:47:50] <Lope> I guess I need to play around in a VM.
• 975[07:49:09] <zykotick9> Lope: i've only ever done the encrypted-lvm option from install... nothing fancier
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• 978[07:51:01] <Lope> zykotick9: I'm weary of using any crutches like the installer to do everything for me.
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• 980[07:51:17] <Lope> Because if something goes wrong I want to know how to fix it.
• 981[07:51:51] <Lope> For example I've always had trouble mounting ecryptFS home partitions, but when I make my own, I've not ever had any trouble mounting them anywhere.
• 982[07:53:33] <zykotick9> i use encrypted partitions on usb/externals... mounting LVM is something i have to lookup, but luckly i've only had to do that a couple times
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• 984[07:54:39] <n4dir1> you can install do an encrypted install without lvm, but it's a bit of clicking back and forth during installation
• 985[07:54:50] <n4dir1> can't remember the details, too long ago
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• 987[07:55:37] <n4dir1> if all you want is an encrypted home: don't create /home during installation, do the cryptsetup voodoo after installation and edit fstab accordingly
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• 999[08:03:43] <Lope> zykotick9: i didn't say anything about mounting LVM
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• 1001[08:04:30] <Lope> no, i don't want only encrypted home.
• 1002[08:04:37] <zykotick9> Lope: i realize, i was just sharing my personal experience. mounting LUKS encryption i find easy... LVM not so much. YMMV
• 1003[08:04:46] <Lope> LVM is a bad choice for externals, I've found.
• 1004[08:05:08] <Lope> you can't just unmount an LVM formatted external drive.
• 1005[08:05:13] <Lope> and remove it.
• 1006[08:05:21] <zykotick9> i don't use LVM on externals, just straight LUKS... i don't even partition external drives ;)
• 1007[08:05:24] <Lope> You have to disable the PV or whatever, it's a whole PITA>
• 1008[08:05:40] <n4dir1> Lope try if this helps: replaced-url
• 1009[08:05:46] <Lope> zykotick9: do you leave the header files on the externals?
• 1010[08:07:26] <zykotick9> Lope: i guess, i don't do anything special...
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• 1224[10:10:00] <zaufi> hi all. I'm trying to build my library *.deb package and stuk to set a proper dependency of '-dev' package from the main one. when I set it as "libmy (= X.Y.Z)'" and then try to `apt-get install libmy-dev`, apt claims about unmet dependencies :( -- libmy-dev : Depends: libmy (= X.Y.Z) but it is not going to be installed
• 1225[10:10:35] <zaufi> both packages, have same version of couse
• 1226[10:11:15] <zaufi> anyone can point me where I'm wrong...?
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• 1231[10:15:07] <Iridos> try without the version?
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• 1237[10:16:37] <TomyWork> hi
• 1238[10:17:48] <TomyWork> we're creating packages for debian using a maven plugin called jdeb. this plugin creates a conffiles control file without leading slashes. is that a problem?
• 1239[10:18:09] <TomyWork> replaced-url
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• 1270[10:36:12] <BoBeR182> Hello How do I install openjdk from debain jessie backports
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• 1272[10:36:23] <BoBeR182> I have debain jessie installed\
• 1273[10:36:37] <BoBeR182> i need java v8
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• 1279[10:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1693
• 1280[10:38:06] <OpenTokix> BoBeR182: debian jessie has openjdk 8
• 1281[10:38:09] <OpenTokix> BoBeR182: openjdk-8-jre-headless
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• 1284[10:38:29] <OpenTokix> BoBeR182: You can also use ZEro/Shark vm or JamVM if you want.
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• 1291[10:41:35] <BoBeR182> apt-get install openjdk-7-
• 1292[10:41:35] <BoBeR182> openjdk-7-dbg openjdk-7-doc openjdk-7-jre openjdk-7-jre-headless openjdk-7-jre-zero
• 1293[10:41:35] <BoBeR182> openjdk-7-demo openjdk-7-jdk openjdk-7-jre-dcevm openjdk-7-jre-lib openj
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• 1296[10:41:51] <BoBeR182> tab complete automagically changes it to openjdk 7
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• 1298[10:43:12] <n4dir> not sure if that changed, but back then you needed to add -t jessie-backports
• 1299[10:43:29] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 1309[10:47:52] <TomTomTo1> BoBeR182: ^ afterwards you will also need to use update-java-alternatives to make openjdk-8 your default.
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• 1319[10:52:26] <BoBeR182> I got it to work I removed java7
• 1320[10:52:31] <BoBeR182> so everything is on java8 now
• 1321[10:52:35] <BoBeR182> thanks everyone
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• 1325[10:53:19] <TomTomTo1> brute!
• 1326[10:53:24] <TomTomTo1> ^^
• 1327[10:54:11] <gebruiker> :)
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• 1329[10:55:17] <raid5issue> may anybody give me hand trying to recover a software RAID 5 failure? thanks replaced-url
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• 1333[10:55:58] <tron> how can i add a program to autostart as root on boot even if i'm logged in as a regular user?
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• 1335[10:56:40] <tron> i.e. tlp
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• 1337[10:58:22] <gebruiker> an X program?
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• 1339[10:59:01] <tron> no, its a battery manager for laptops
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• 1346[11:02:57] <gebruiker> tron: replaced-url
• 1347[11:03:56] <petn-randall> raid5issue: If *two* disks failed, you won't be able to recover any data. But it depends on how they failed. If they only have a few unreadable sectors you might recover most of it.
• 1348[11:04:11] <tron> thanks
• 1349[11:04:28] <petn-randall> raid5issue: Which OS release are you running?
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• 1351[11:05:05] <raid5issue> that's my only chance, try to fix those few sectors
• 1352[11:05:09] <raid5issue> I'm using debian
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• 1358[11:06:49] <petn-randall> raid5issue: which release?
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• 1364[11:09:19] <raid5issue> petn-randall: jessie
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• 1370[11:10:58] <petn-randall> raid5issue: Can you paste the output of 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' (and for sdb, sdb, ...) to replaced-url
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• 1372[11:11:38] <petn-randall> raid5issue: If you don't have backups, you only realistic change would be to rescure copy those both devices onto a spare device each, and then hope for the best.
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• 1376[11:12:04] <petn-randall> raid5issue: If you *have* backups, I'd just write it off as a loss and replay you data from the backups.
• 1377[11:12:15] <petn-randall> s/change/chance/
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• 1379[11:12:21] <raid5issue> I didn't expect two disks to fail at the same time...
• 1380[11:12:32] <Screamslash> is there anyone here using openbox?
• 1381[11:13:08] <petn-randall> raid5issue: Ah, that's unfortunate. RAID is no replacement for backups though (Even an offline copy of the data onto a USB drive helps).
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• 1385[11:15:00] <raid5issue> petn-randall: I guess sdc has more chances to be rescued, because mdadm shows mdadm: No md superblock detected on /dev/sda1.
• 1386[11:16:08] <petn-randall> raid5issue: Could be. I can also recommend to boot from a well known medium, because those failing disks might have a limited remaining lifetime. So any minute they're running it reduces the chance of recovering data.
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• 1390[11:16:50] <gry> Пол:5 file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build/main i386 Packages
• 1391[11:16:50] <gry> Ошк:5 file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build/main i386 Packages
• 1392[11:16:51] <gry> Файл не найден - /var/cache/apt-build/repository/dists/apt-build/main/binary-i386/Packages (2: Нет такого файла или каталога)
• 1393[11:17:04] <gry> what is this when i do apt update? i did not touch that in my sources.list
• 1394[11:17:14] <petn-randall> !localized errors
• 1395[11:17:15] <dpkg> Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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• 1397[11:17:33] <gry> ok. Err:4 file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build/main i386 Packages
• 1398[11:17:33] <gry> File not found - /var/cache/apt-build/repository/dists/apt-build/main/binary-i386/Packages (2: No such file or directory)
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• 1400[11:17:50] <gry> why does it care? i'm asking it to download new packages from the internet not from my cache
• 1401[11:18:04] <petn-randall> !bat
• 1402[11:18:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1403[11:18:10] <gry> replaced-url
• 1404[11:18:16] <petn-randall> gry: Can you provide this output ^^^ ?
• 1405[11:18:19] <gry> ok
• 1406[11:19:06] <raid5issue> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 1407[11:19:12] <gry> it's a pain that '| pastebinit' is not enough for capturing stderr too (
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• 1409[11:19:38] <petn-randall> gry: '<your command> 2>&1 | pastebinit'
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• 1411[11:20:26] <gry> replaced-url
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• 1413[11:22:51] <petn-randall> raid5issue: sdc is toast; sda still looks fine. Looking at Reallocated_Event_Count and Current_Pending_Sector.
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• 1415[11:23:20] <petn-randall> raid5issue: I'd take the whole RAID5 offline until the disk arrives, then clone sda onto a healthy disk and hope for the best.
• 1416[11:23:43] <raid5issue> even if it doesn't show anything for mdadm?
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• 1419[11:25:02] <raid5issue> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 1420[11:25:08] <petn-randall> raid5issue: Could be that you can recover that, but I'd really take it offline until you have replacements to work with.
• 1421[11:25:42] <raid5issue> ok, I will only attach sda and a healthy disk to try to use ddrescue
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• 1423[11:26:19] <petn-randall> raid5issue: Do you have spare disks ready?
• 1424[11:26:40] <raid5issue> yes I bought one disk thinking that only 1 disk failed...
• 1425[11:26:54] <raid5issue> and the SO is installed on a separated disk, it's not in the raid
• 1426[11:27:05] <petn-randall> raid5issue: SO?
• 1427[11:27:18] <petn-randall> Oh, probably OS.
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• 1429[11:27:29] <raid5issue> OS yes, sorry I thought in spanish haha
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• 1432[11:28:50] <petn-randall> !tell gry -about debian-next
• 1433[11:29:03] <petn-randall> gry: check dpkg's msg
• 1434[11:29:29] <gry> ok
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• 1438[11:31:45] <gry> petn-randall, thanks for picking that up, i again forget which laptop is running which version; i'll probably put it in the wallpaper or something; cheers
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• 1566[12:34:46] <DammitJim> what do you guys think is the fastest way to perform backups to an external drive (that I can rotate)?
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• 1568[12:35:08] <DammitJim> I have some USB3 drives, but they still only do 50MBps
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• 1571[12:35:56] <Ke> why do you care about the speed?
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• 1574[12:36:25] <DammitJim> because when you are doing a full backup to a 3TB drive, it takes just too long
• 1575[12:36:38] <Ke> are you also positive it's working as USB-3 device
• 1576[12:36:39] <DammitJim> let me look at my statistics (maybe I have something wrong)
• 1577[12:36:40] <OpenTokix> DammitJim: Get a faster drive and connect it via eSata
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• 1582[12:38:22] <Ke> [332118.409020] usb 9-2.3.2: new SuperSpeed USB device number 4 using xhci_hcd
• 1583[12:38:29] <Ke> you should see something like that
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• 1586[12:38:39] <Ke> SuperSpeed and (13:38:29) < Ke> you should see something like that
• 1587[12:38:45] <Ke> gah
• 1588[12:38:51] <Ke> SuperSpeed and xhci_hcd
• 1589[12:39:04] <petn-randall> DammitJim: Is it only doing 50MB/s on sequential writes? That is rather slow. Look up the specs for the drive.
• 1590[12:39:26] <petn-randall> DammitJim: For good desktop drives and beyond you should see > 100 MB/s on sequential writes.
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• 1598[12:45:22] <DammitJim> I know! petn-randall that's why I am reviewing
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• 1600[12:45:54] <DammitJim> crap, maybe I have network issues, but I doubt it *sigh*... time to peel the onion
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• 1606[12:47:33] <MaBunny> hello guys
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• 1610[12:47:57] <MaBunny> how do i setup my computer to use a tor proxy when i need it??
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• 1615[12:48:54] <petn-randall> DammitJim: run 'atop' to get a quick overview what the bottleneck is.
• 1616[12:49:11] <MaBunny> i can suppose tht i need to go to gnome settings and do it but
• 1617[12:49:24] <petn-randall> MaBunny: How far did you get with your own research?
• 1618[12:49:31] <MaBunny> what hostname and other things should i give...if somebody
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• 1621[12:50:00] <MaBunny> i think the hostname should be 127.0.0.1 and port should be 9050,but idk
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• 1624[12:50:59] <MaBunny> petn-randall, ??
• 1625[12:51:48] <petn-randall> MaBunny: I'm sure you did your own research before asking here. How far did you get there? At what part did you get stuck?
• 1626[12:52:06] <MaBunny> well,tht was above...
• 1627[12:52:36] <MaBunny> wait
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• 1629[12:53:03] <MaBunny> replaced-url
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• 1631[12:53:17] <MaBunny> this is the webpage i dug up
• 1632[12:53:22] <TomTomTosch> D:
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• 1634[12:53:39] <MaBunny> no...i hav no intention to do tht
• 1635[12:53:43] <TomTomTosch> routing all your traffic through tor is a terrible idea. just download the browser bundle.
• 1636[12:54:21] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch, i want my torrent files to get downloaded...my isp is blocking all torrent data and links
• 1637[12:55:26] <TomTomTosch> using tor for torrenting is what we call "a dick move" in my culture.
• 1638[12:55:36] <MaBunny> ok
• 1639[12:55:39] <TomTomTosch> ^^
• 1640[12:56:04] <MaBunny> but in our culture everyone does torrents...its quite common
• 1641[12:56:07] <MaBunny> ^_^
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• 1645[12:56:27] <TomTomTosch> THROUGH TOR. i don't care if you torrent.
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• 1647[12:56:36] <MaBunny> why
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• 1649[12:57:05] <TomTomTosch> because tor has limited capacity and you would make it a worse experience for everyone if you used it like that.
• 1650[12:57:25] <fguide> MaBunny: you'd better be considering a VPN for torrenting
• 1651[12:57:32] <TomTomTosch> ^ that.
• 1652[12:57:34] <fguide> TOR is indeed a very bad idea
• 1653[12:57:40] <MaBunny> ok
• 1654[12:57:56] <fguide> MaBunny: just browse webpages using tor and you'll know why
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• 1656[12:58:05] <MaBunny> yeah i kno
• 1657[12:58:14] <MaBunny> idk
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• 1661[13:00:10] <hid3> Hello everyone. I've just migrated to Jessie and rebooted the system. However, after the reboot, VLANs which were configured on my eth0 interface, no longer work. If I do 'ifup vlanXXX', I get some strange error: e.g. eth0 does not exist, unable to create vlan799. However, eth0 does in fact exist and it is usable... What's the problem then?
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• 1664[13:00:34] <darkdna> hey guys
• 1665[13:00:49] <darkdna> anyone knows how to show user activity on my server?
• 1666[13:00:52] <hid3> Prior to the upgrade/reboot, it worked fine...
• 1667[13:00:54] <darkdna> i want to see what he's doing
• 1668[13:01:13] <MaBunny> ok which channel has guides to choose on VPNs in freenode?? ##networking?
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• 1676[13:03:55] <fguide> MaBunny: I believe so, perhaps ##vpn
• 1677[13:04:02] <MaBunny> yeah
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• 1680[13:04:16] <MaBunny> checking out some articles on web now
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• 1683[13:05:08] <darkdna> fguide: any idea my friend about how to check a user's activity on my server ?
• 1684[13:05:22] <darkdna> i want to actually see it live, is there a way to do that
• 1685[13:05:23] <darkdna> ?
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• 1687[13:06:44] <petn-randall> darkdna: Can you be more specific?
• 1688[13:06:49] <darkdna> ok
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• 1690[13:07:12] <fguide> darkdna: psacct
• 1691[13:07:14] <darkdna> user pts/0 chomsky.bgf Thu10 25:37m 1:14m 0.00s sshd: user [priv]
• 1692[13:07:14] <darkdna> user pts/4 173.50.48.118 12:59 1.00s 0.06s 0.01s sshd: user [priv]
• 1693[13:07:27] <fguide> but I have not used it, just saw someone recommending it already here
• 1694[13:07:28] <darkdna> bash: psacct: command not found
• 1695[13:07:43] <darkdna> i want to see what pts/4 is doing
• 1696[13:07:57] <fguide> yeah, that's not default package
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• 1701[13:08:27] <petn-randall> darkdna: 'apt install apt-file; apt-file search psacct'
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• 1703[13:08:56] <tripkin> Hey all, quick question (hopefully!) - I am running Debian Jessie 8.6 with Gnome 3.14.1 and would like to change the default screenshot save directory to /home/user/Pictures/screenshots. Dconf editor is not changing this. What am I missing or is this impossible?
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• 1706[13:09:14] <darkdna> petn-randall thanks bro its installed
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• 1708[13:10:05] <petn-randall> darkdna: See /topic, don't query people unasked.
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• 1710[13:10:48] <OerHeks> tripkin, change it in org > gnome > gnome-screenshot, logout and login again?
• 1711[13:11:13] <tripkin> OerHeks, I will try it again. brb
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• 1713[13:11:26] <darkdna> sorry just wanted to personally say thanks.
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• 1715[13:12:05] <darkdna> petn-randall: so i instlled it and it told me to first do "apt-file update" so i did
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• 1717[13:12:34] <darkdna> but i am trying to type: psacct now and its tellimg me bash: psacct: command not found
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• 1720[13:12:57] <fguide> darkdna: perhaps it requires root, so try sudo psacct
• 1721[13:13:17] <fguide> assuming you're properly granted sudo access
• 1722[13:13:19] <darkdna> root@1010CC-XEON:/home/user# sudo psacct
• 1723[13:13:19] <darkdna> bash: sudo: command not found
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• 1725[13:14:19] <fguide> darkdna: what does /etc/init.d/psacct status display?
• 1726[13:15:16] <darkdna> bash: /etc/init.d/psacct: No such file or directory
• 1727[13:15:19] <TomTomTosch> you don't need to run sudo if you already are root. if you want to have it for your normal user, install sudo and add that user to the sudo group.
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• 1730[13:15:53] <fguide> so it looks like it's not really installed
• 1731[13:16:31] <darkdna> apt-file is already the newest version.
• 1732[13:16:31] <darkdna> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 18 not upgraded.
• 1733[13:16:31] <darkdna> sosreport: /usr/share/sosreport/sos/plugins/psacct.py
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• 1736[13:18:05] <TomTomTosch> do you mean acct not psacct?
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• 1738[13:18:21] <TomTomTosch> ,i acct
• 1739[13:18:22] <judd> Package acct (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: The GNU Accounting utilities for process and login accounting. Version: 6.5.5-2.1; Size: 100.9k; Installed: 330k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1740[13:18:38] <fguide> ,i psacct
• 1741[13:18:39] <judd> No package named 'psacct' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 1742[13:18:47] <fguide> that explains it then
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• 1744[13:18:51] <darkdna> lol
• 1745[13:19:06] <darkdna> so is there a package for watching PTS's on my box ?
• 1746[13:19:09] <fguide> but I really recall it by the psacct name
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• 1749[13:19:35] <da3m0n22> any comments please? replaced-url
• 1750[13:20:17] <darkdna> TomTomTosch any idea about how to watch other users activity live on my box ?
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• 1752[13:21:08] <TomTomTosch> noe. ^^
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• 1754[13:22:06] <nullbyte_> someone good with grub?
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• 1757[13:23:55] <tripkin> OerHeks, so I tried it as /home... file:///home... and it continues to save screenshots into /home/user/. In the keyboard settings-shortcuts-screenshots area, it says "Save a screenshot to <user>", and that never changes, either.
• 1758[13:24:04] <tripkin> Any ideas on what I have done wrong?
• 1759[13:24:22] <tripkin> This is a vanilla install of Debian, no 3rd party packages installed.
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• 1761[13:25:11] <tripkin> (Not really vanilla, anymore, but you get the idea - only packages from the Debian repositories)
• 1762[13:27:06] <fguide> tripkin: I would check permissions on the /home direcotry
• 1763[13:27:27] <fguide> it may be failing to write something there and then reverting settings back to the default
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• 1767[13:28:28] <tripkin> fguide, root owns home with 755 and I own jmitchell with 755
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• 1769[13:29:10] <fguide> ok not permission then
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• 1771[13:29:44] <tripkin> Yeah. This has been bugging me for a while now.
• 1772[13:29:53] <tripkin> Kind of annoying.
• 1773[13:29:59] <tripkin> Really messy...
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• 1776[13:30:42] <fguide> gsettings set org.gnome.gnome-screenshot auto-save-directory "file:///PATH"
• 1777[13:31:14] <fguide> I just searched it as I don't use gnome, so I cannot really test
• 1778[13:31:15] <tripkin> I will try it that way. What is the difference between the cli command and the gui editor?
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• 1780[13:32:01] <TomTomTosch> they are just different interfaces to the same thing.
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• 1782[13:32:20] <TomTomTosch> but the cli tool might actually give useful output.
• 1783[13:32:28] <fguide> yes, it just cuts the intermediate in case something is messy on dconf
• 1784[13:32:46] <tripkin> Ok.
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• 1788[13:33:22] <vjacob> jelly you the man!
• 1789[13:33:28] <tripkin> I always assumed they were the same thing - the gui being the front end to the app.
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• 1795[13:37:58] <jelly> vjacob: what, again? :-)
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• 1799[13:38:30] <hugleo> i remender that same message yesterday too :D
• 1800[13:39:07] <vjacob> you still the man.
• 1801[13:39:14] <tripkin> fguide, so that did not change anything.
• 1802[13:39:15] * vjacob salutes
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• 1804[13:39:52] <tripkin> I have also seen all the stuff on the web - been reading it for months and have experienced no love in the matter.
• 1805[13:40:19] <fguide> tripkin: so it doesn't evven show up changed on cli?
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• 1807[13:40:48] <tripkin> It shows the same thing.
• 1808[13:41:07] <JyZyXEL> how can i remove a debian package without having to remove its dependencies?
• 1809[13:41:13] <tripkin> I am going to hassle the gnome guys, but I am not going to hold my breath.
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• 1811[13:41:26] <nullbyte_> i am with ubuntu 16.10 grub2, i can boot in GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="1024x768" only Ubuntu (default) all another OS cannot be booted at this resolution, they are boot in default/text a bigger ones, how can i made boot 1024x768 for all OSs in grub?
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• 1833[13:56:42] <Mazhive> hello guys have one slight problem with my mail server.. my hostname looks like domain.com but when sending emails it sends from user@server.domain.com my hostname is called server
• 1834[13:56:54] <Mazhive> using postfix
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• 1874[14:20:06] <ChrisH> from replaced-url
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• 1886[14:23:39] <themill> !spu
• 1887[14:23:39] <dpkg> stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. replaced-url
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• 1889[14:23:58] <themill> ChrisH: ^^ you can install (and help test ☺) packages in proposed-updates.
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• 1891[14:24:40] <themill> («deb replaced-url
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• 1894[14:25:46] <themill> The packages will get copied into the main repo along with things from jessie/updates at point release time which will be some time early December, most likely
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• 1898[14:28:49] <ChrisH> themill: I see. thanks!
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• 1913[14:36:12] <hugleo> I installed debian testing in my sserver now
• 1914[14:36:33] <hugleo> the screen is stuck in /dev/sda2 clean
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• 1916[14:37:02] <hugleo> ctrl+F2 to open a other virtual term doens't work either
• 1917[14:37:12] <plasmoduck> lol
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• 1919[14:37:26] <Lostfile> some times my ubnutu install dose that to me
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• 1921[14:37:46] <Lostfile> but after wareds it boots
• 1922[14:37:50] <hugleo> but I can access the server through ssh
• 1923[14:37:55] <plasmoduck> hugleo: ctrl+alt+F*
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• 1925[14:38:38] <hugleo> plasmoduck: none of those keys worked
• 1926[14:38:57] <hugleo> LostSoul: so I can try reboot to see what happens
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• 1934[14:43:49] <bllluruks> hi, has anyone got arduino IDE working on debian?
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• 1950[14:50:05] <TomTomTosch> bllluruks: describe your problem.
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• 1954[14:51:17] <bllluruks> the arduino IDE gives an error opening the serial port (replaced-url
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• 1956[14:52:23] <TomTomTosch> you selected the correct one under Tools > Serial Port ?
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• 1958[14:53:01] <hugleo> rebooted and no console yet :(
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• 1960[14:55:21] <bllluruks> yeah TomTomTosch, /dev/ttyUSB0
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• 1963[14:55:49] <bllluruks> i'm trying installer in wine now
• 1964[14:56:17] <TomTomTosch> why wine? debian has the arduino IDE packaged.
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• 1973[15:01:45] <TomTomTosch> you could also check if the baud rate is set correctly. cat ~/.arduino/preferences.txt | grep serial.debug_rate
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• 1979[15:05:35] <vlt> bllluruks: Works fine here from the standard Debian packages.
• 1980[15:05:48] <zykotick9> hugleo: you wrote "ctrl+F2" you did mean "alt+F2" right? ctrl+alt+fX is only required to switch to a virtual terminal when you are in Xorg. from VT->VT alt+FX (or alt+Left/Right-Arrow)
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• 1996[15:11:33] <paul_grozav> Hello, I have a laptop with an Intel sound card, and i installed debian(the free version without non-free drivers), and only HDMI output is supported, I have no sound, not through headsets, nor through embedded speakers. Any idea how to solve this? I also have another identical laptop that runs the non free version of debian, and the sound works fine there, but I don't know how to install the drivers on the first laptop. I've added the non-fr
• 1997[15:11:33] <paul_grozav> ee repo and installed alsa-base but no success
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• 2005[15:14:23] <fguide> paul_grozav: so you're needing to install non-free?
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• 2008[15:15:18] <fguide> oh sorry, just re-read it
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• 2010[15:15:40] <fguide> paul_grozav: you'll need to install/compile the drivers for the audio device
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• 2012[15:17:16] <fguide> paul_grozav: what does the lspci shows up?
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• 2015[15:18:19] <hugleo> zykotick9: tried that keys and doesnt't work either. Notice the Caps lock and Scroll doesn't power the led but num lock does
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• 2020[15:20:06] <zykotick9> hugleo: well, best of luck. personally, i think running testing (on a server especially) is a poor choice [but i like things to work & not break] ymmv
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• 2023[15:21:32] <petn-randall> raid5issue: I'm guessing you're lucky then. Was the disk 1000 GB in size?
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• 2025[15:22:15] <hugleo> zykotick9: I see that alt+left looks like is switching. Num lock powers off with that keys. But login user / passw doesn't come out
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• 2027[15:23:10] <zykotick9> hugleo: for testing support, you might want to try #debian-next on the OFTC network...
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• 2029[15:23:24] <hugleo> I'll try that tks
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• 2036[15:25:48] <StephenS> where is doc dir for patches and stuff on debian?
• 2037[15:25:51] <StephenS> I can't recall atm huh
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• 2041[15:28:29] <Stiffler> hi
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• 2043[15:28:39] <Stiffler> how to remove firefox-esr from debian?
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• 2052[15:31:49] <jelly> Stiffler: the usual way? apt-get remove firefox-esr?
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• 2055[15:33:00] <zykotick9> Stiffler: be careful with what apt wants to remove
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• 2058[15:33:33] <jelly> of course. Always read carefully what apt is planning to do.
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• 2062[15:33:53] <Stiffler> not working
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• 2064[15:34:03] <Stiffler> i used apt-get purge --auto-remove firefox-esr-l10n-gn .. but still esr is their
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• 2068[15:34:26] <jelly> Stiffler: that's not what I suggested
• 2069[15:34:35] <Stiffler> btw i installed normal firefox sideby
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• 2071[15:35:01] <Stiffler> apt-get remove firefox-esr no package found
• 2072[15:35:08] <Stiffler> i tried that before
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• 2077[15:36:37] <jelly> Stiffler: then you should not have firefox-esr from debian any more
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• 2079[15:37:00] <jelly> Stiffler: which debian release are you using?
• 2080[15:37:19] <Stiffler> stretch
• 2081[15:37:51] <Stiffler> testing version of stretch
• 2082[15:38:12] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2083[15:38:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2087[15:38:29] <jelly> Stiffler: see if someone over there has a clue
• 2088[15:38:29] <Stiffler> ah
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• 2092[15:40:40] <Stiffler> ok.. how i register their i am getting connection closed
• 2093[15:40:47] <raid5issue> petn-randall: yes it was, but what annoys me is that the cloned SDA says mdadm: No md superblock detected on as well
• 2094[15:41:42] <petn-randall> raid5issue: Are you sure you're running RAID5 on the naked drives, and not on a partition on the drive?
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• 2102[15:46:38] <raid5issue> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 2111[15:51:10] <raid5issue> petn-randall: I guess those 4096b that couldn't be recovered were at the beginning of the disk and maybe that's the cause
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• 2114[15:51:29] <hugleo> Stiffler: apt-get install firefox-esr && apt-get remove firefox-esr worked with no problems in my stretch. Maybe you haven't updated apt/sources.list database...
• 2115[15:51:57] <Stiffler> i tried .. didnt worked with mne package not found..
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• 2129[15:55:58] <hugleo> Stiffler: Maybe you try use another mirror...
• 2130[15:56:12] <hugleo> apt-cache policy firefox-esr | grep Candidate
• 2131[15:56:14] <hugleo> Candidate: 45.4.0esr-2
• 2132[15:56:49] <Stiffler> same thing shown
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• 2134[15:57:34] <Stiffler> wow werid
• 2135[15:57:40] <Stiffler> now it took the command
• 2136[15:57:44] <Stiffler> o.o
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• 2139[15:58:06] <Stiffler> ty for help guys
• 2140[15:58:11] <watmm> Hey
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• 2145[15:59:02] <watmm> wondering how to find the size of the apt's cache, apt-cache stats shows "Total space accounted for: 15.0 M" but 9i don't see an indication of the total size
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• 2150[16:01:21] <jelly> watmm: du /var/cache/apt
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• 2158[16:04:24] <watmm> heh
• 2159[16:04:34] <watmm> Hopefully that's related to apt-get[5246]: segfault at ffffffffffffffff ip 00007f642e06056a sp 00007ffc80f57720 error 5 in libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0[7f642e009000+168000]
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• 2206[16:24:08] <DammitJim> my var logical volume is almost full and it's only 3GB. I have another logical volume that is 15GB and only using 1GB. Should I be adding another hard drive to give var more space or should I reallocate space from the other logical volume that has 14GB free and I doubt we'll need that much
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• 2219[16:28:04] <bareng3> Does anybody know why I can't apt-get install lilypond in stretch? I get "Package lilypond is not available, but is referred to by another package."
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• 2226[16:31:16] <missmbob> because it's not in stretch
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• 2228[16:31:26] <Somelauw> Why does installing maven require such an inside amount of packages? replaced-url
• 2229[16:31:27] <missmbob> !why is lilypond not in testing
• 2230[16:31:27] <dpkg> lilypond is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 2237[16:35:01] <bareng3> thank you missmbob!
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• 2246[16:39:07] <petn-randall> Somelauw: Maybe that's an upstream requirement. Have you checked there yet?
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• 2250[16:40:20] <Somelauw> petn-randall: it seems to be mostly optional plugins that maven installs itself anyway if they are missing
• 2251[16:40:38] <Somelauw> ant is partly a package manager itself
• 2252[16:40:42] <Somelauw> eh maven
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• 2256[16:41:30] <petn-randall> Somelauw: I don't see ant anywhere in the dependencies: replaced-url
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• 2258[16:42:58] <Somelauw> petn-randall: it might be indirect, my package manager tries to install it anyway replaced-url
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• 2261[16:43:31] <petn-randall> Somelauw: Probably some recommends somewhere up the path?
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• 2266[16:45:02] <petn-randall> Somelauw: Do you get the same output when running with --no-install-recommends?
• 2267[16:45:04] <k_sze> I need help debugging why I can't unmount or rename a zfs dataset.
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• 2270[16:45:15] <Somelauw> petn-randall: with --no-install-recommends it doesn't install ant, but it's still big
• 2271[16:45:28] <k_sze> I have checked with `sudo lsof +D`, but it doesn't show any open file.
• 2272[16:45:29] * petn-randall shrugs.
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• 2275[16:45:35] <petn-randall> Somelauw: You low on disk space?
• 2276[16:46:08] <Somelauw> replaced-url
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• 2296[16:52:48] <k_sze> How do I check if a directory is being shared over samba?
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• 2304[16:53:47] <k_sze> Actually, never mind samba, I don't have samba on this server.
• 2305[16:53:53] <k_sze> Something is holding my zfs dataset.
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• 2307[16:54:38] <petn-randall> Somelauw: Java applications take up lots of disk space, more news at 11 ;)
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• 2313[16:56:03] <vp17r00t> hi
• 2314[16:56:09] <vp17r00t> hi all
• 2315[16:56:41] <vp17r00t> I'm not sure this is the best channel for this, but does anyone have experience dealing with polymorphic viruses on debian machine
• 2316[16:56:54] <petn-randall> vp17r00t: Are you affected by one?
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• 2319[16:57:58] <vp17r00t> yes. so to speak. the file keeps changing names and moving to different diretories
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• 2322[16:58:31] <Somelauw> petn-randall: i fear so :-(
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• 2324[16:58:48] <imMute> vp17r00t: nuke it from orbit; restore from backups.
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• 2327[16:59:08] <bibble> yes, can never be sure otherwise
• 2328[16:59:13] <vp17r00t> lol, iim actually just trying to pull a hash from it, it's a lab exercise
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• 2330[16:59:23] <bibble> :D
• 2331[16:59:26] <vp17r00t> i don't care about the box.
• 2332[16:59:37] <johanskizo> why gnome vidio player can't play mp4?
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• 2335[16:59:49] <vp17r00t> if it was my pc i would've nuked it by now, trust me :P
• 2336[17:00:00] <johanskizo> whyyyy??
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• 2338[17:01:14] <bibble> whats the player called and video test file johanskizo ?
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• 2340[17:01:43] <bibble> vlc seems to, straight from the repos
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• 2343[17:02:15] <johanskizo> i just want the default player :(
• 2344[17:02:44] <johanskizo> i don't want vlc :(
• 2345[17:02:52] <johanskizo> can i play mp4?
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• 2348[17:03:23] <bibble> vp17r00t: are you after intrusion detection stuff, watching files for changes etc ?
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• 2350[17:03:47] <vp17r00t> bibble, yeah
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• 2352[17:04:31] <vp17r00t> I'm supposed to get a hash, but can't seem to find the executable file
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• 2356[17:05:10] <vp17r00t> i can see the file constantly changing using top...if you have any ideas, feel free to send me a pm
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• 2359[17:05:32] <bibble> sounds too pro :)
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• 2361[17:06:22] <TomTomTosch> johanskizo: does apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-{bad,base,good,ugly} change anything?
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• 2366[17:06:49] <vp17r00t> no linux sysadmins here?
• 2367[17:06:52] <petn-randall> vp17r00t: Take the machine offline hard, boot from a trusted medium.
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• 2369[17:07:00] <bibble> vp17r00t: inodes maybe
• 2370[17:07:07] <vp17r00t> inodes?
• 2371[17:07:12] <petn-randall> vp17r00t: Are you trying to make us do your homework assignment?
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• 2373[17:07:22] <vp17r00t> no I'm not. I'm looking for inspiration.
• 2374[17:07:27] <bibble> true fileid
• 2375[17:07:38] <vp17r00t> someone to point me in the right direction
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• 2377[17:08:19] <vp17r00t> hm...
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• 2381[17:08:27] <bibble> vp17r00t: replaced-url
• 2382[17:08:30] <petn-randall> vp17r00t: There's no point in finding malware from within an infected machine. Take it offline hard (pull the plug), and boot from a trusted medium.
• 2383[17:08:43] <petn-randall> bibble: I don't think this is helping.
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• 2386[17:08:54] <vp17r00t> o ok, hm it is
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• 2389[17:09:22] <bibble> ah. but it's a project. for some reason he needs to monitor the changing file ?
• 2390[17:09:30] <petn-randall> vp17r00t: Make sure that you don't shut it down, as the shutdown scripts might be manipulated to remove any traces.
• 2391[17:09:43] <vp17r00t> i do know about the file system. see the thing is, i think i found the executable but can't extract a hash, i don't have root. i don't think I'm supposed to though
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• 2393[17:09:55] <vp17r00t> got to be another way I'm not thinking of...ive been at it for days
• 2394[17:10:05] <petn-randall> vp17r00t: That sounds _TOO_ much like homework assignment to me.
• 2395[17:10:18] <bibble> :)
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• 2398[17:10:52] <vp17r00t> lol :) yes, too much... ill look into true fileid
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• 2417[17:21:43] <boxrick1> Guys I am having an odd DHCPd issue, I have traffic being relayed from another subnet by a switch
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• 2420[17:22:07] <boxrick1> And my DHCP server is getting it and saying: DHCPDISCOVER from MAC ia eth0: network XXXXX: no free leases
• 2421[17:22:18] <boxrick1> Yet it is in as a static DHCP lease
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• 2423[17:24:09] <kion> did Debian just switched back from avconv to ffmpeg ?
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• 2426[17:24:32] <ChrisH> boxrick1: sounds like your dhcp config does not have free leases for the network xxx
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• 2429[17:25:22] <boxrick1> I am using fixed-address so it doesn't need a free lease
• 2430[17:25:28] <boxrick1> It has a specific one assigned to it
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• 2434[17:26:16] <ChrisH> boxrick1: but you need a subnet definition
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• 2436[17:27:22] <boxrick1> Let me show what I have
• 2437[17:27:26] <boxrick1> I have all that
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• 2444[17:29:03] <boxrick1> replaced-url
• 2445[17:29:28] <boxrick1> So the "host1" is in another subnet, and the traffic is being relayed by the switch
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• 2448[17:29:43] <boxrick1> eth0 lives on the 172.29.89 subnet
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• 2451[17:30:29] <boxrick1> aa:aa obviously isn't the real MAC
• 2452[17:30:34] <boxrick1> But that is correct
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• 2457[17:31:32] <kgron> boxrick1, phew good. i thought you pwned my server.
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• 2474[17:33:52] <ChrisH> boxrick1: restart dhcp and check the logs... or check the logs. dhcp is very verbose on what he found and thinks ge understood.
• 2475[17:35:06] <boxrick1> But that is correctZZYea basically logs saying more specifically: Nov 11 16:32:57 dhcpd dhcpd[2265]: DHCPDISCOVER from aa:aa:aa:aa:aa:aa via eth0: network 172.29.89.128/25: no free leases
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• 2477[17:35:16] <boxrick1> Ack wrong window
• 2478[17:35:28] <boxrick1> You get the point anyway
• 2479[17:36:02] <ChrisH> boxrick1: 172.29.89.128/25 != 255.255.255.192 If my cidr calculator is correct
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• 2485[17:38:32] <johanskizo> > TomTomTosch nothing changes
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• 2487[17:39:02] <boxrick1> ChrisH only the 172.29.64 address is 255.255.255.192
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• 2489[17:40:00] <ChrisH> boxrick1: network 172.29.89.128/25 your network is defined as /26 25 != 26
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• 2521[17:49:20] <boxrick1> I think in this case its just a slight typo and not related to this particular problem, shifting all the 89 to a /24 and 255.255.255.0 makes no difference.
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• 2527[17:51:28] <ChrisH> boxrick1: AFAIK this is relevant. as you define networks which do not match what your client requests...
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• 2529[17:51:55] <boxrick1> So I have a /24 which the DHCP server is sat in and a different subnet which the request is coming from
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• 2531[17:52:16] <boxrick1> I fixed the above problem so now they all sit nicely
• 2532[17:52:21] <boxrick1> And it generates the same error
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• 2534[17:52:38] <boxrick1> So I am wondering in this case the way the packet is being relayed here is causing a problem
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• 2539[17:54:11] <ChrisH> your line 19 defines a /26 error and your client als for /25 As DHCP uses broadcasts that matters, as far as my understanding of DHCP increased the past 15 years
• 2540[17:55:02] <boxrick1> Let me paste the exact config now
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• 2542[17:55:06] <boxrick1> and Exact error
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• 2557[17:58:18] <boxrick1> replaced-url
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• 2560[17:59:11] <boxrick1> Hopefully confirms that the netmask isn't an issue
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• 2564[18:00:53] <ChrisH> boxrick1: That looks completely different! You DHCP relay does it incorrect. aa:aa is asking for an IP in 172.29.89.0/24 and you defined it in 172.29.64.26 And subnet 172.29.89.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 has no range definition. Works as configured.
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• 2568[18:01:34] <boxrick1> So why is aa:aa asking for an IP within that subnet?
• 2569[18:01:54] <boxrick1> Simply because eth0 exists in that world?
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• 2571[18:02:21] <boxrick1> Since it is being relayed from the 172.29.64.0 network
• 2572[18:02:26] <boxrick1> So it exists in a different world
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• 2575[18:02:39] <ChrisH> boxrick1: you mentioned a DHCP replay and I assume the relay does a weird forward.
• 2576[18:02:41] <boxrick1> Its coming from a switch by unicast rather than the usual broadcast on the same subnet
• 2577[18:03:57] <ChrisH> boxrick1: I know. but the forwarder/relay must keep the correct information
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• 2589[18:07:27] <boxrick1> So is there any change I can make to my DHCP config to make it work so it gets an address from the 64 range ?
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• 2600[18:11:22] <ChrisH> boxrick1: I need to leave now. You dhcpd config looks OK. I would run tcpdump and capture a dhcp request and check it using wireshark. From my memory the entry should look different for an dhcp-relayed request. This looks like a request received via broadcast
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• 2604[18:11:42] <boxrick1> Ok, cheers for the help anyway
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• 2607[18:11:50] <DammitJim> is there a way to say: lvextend /dev/vg/home <final total size>
• 2608[18:11:59] <DammitJim> instead of -L +<how much to add>
• 2609[18:12:08] <ChrisH> DammitJim: without + :)
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• 2611[18:12:15] <DammitJim> or -l +%
• 2612[18:12:18] <DammitJim> that's it, ChrisH ?
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• 2614[18:12:21] <DammitJim> whoa
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• 2641[18:20:28] <ChrisH> DammitJim: man lvextend: With the + sign the value is added to the actual size of the logical volume and without it, the value is taken as an absolute one. #that + and the option to specify sizes in GB,MB,... is a Linux special. In HP/UX LVm you needed different values for the LV and the filesystem. Cannot remember which.
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• 2646[18:21:42] <DammitJim> yeah, I did it
• 2647[18:21:54] <DammitJim> I didn't know that the + was just an option vs it being required
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• 2688[18:45:01] <LiENUS> is there a squid 3.5 in jessie backports im just missing or is there no such luck with that?
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• 2703[18:52:16] <zuiss1> anyone know if gparted can do encryption the way gnome disk utility can
• 2704[18:52:35] <missmbob> LiENUS: it's not in backports
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• 2706[18:53:00] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: that's not what bash_profile is for. read the INVOCATION section of man bash
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• 2708[18:53:36] <LiENUS> bummer :/
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• 2714[18:56:36] <missmbob> ,checkbackport squid3
• 2715[18:56:44] <crayon> kunwon1,
• 2716[18:57:54] <judd> Backporting package squid3 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libecap3-dev (>= 1.0.1-2).
• 2717[18:57:56] <missmbob> ,checkbackport libecap3-dev
• 2718[18:57:57] <judd> Backporting package libecap3-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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• 2720[18:58:00] <crayon> kunwon1, i would like to discuss debian with you
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• 2724[18:58:10] <missmbob> LiENUS: you can do it yourself ^
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• 2729[18:58:51] <LiENUS> missmbob, i barely am able to handle the time to recompile squid with ssl for my own uses let alone deal with backporting :/
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• 2809[19:44:43] <zuiss1> does using debian stable and having a security team supporting it benefit mainly debian on internet facing servers, or does it benefit personal computers like laptops too? wondering how much more secure someone would be using stable vs testing
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• 2813[19:45:08] <zuiss1> wondering about security, not stability
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• 2815[19:46:31] <awal1> zuiss1: stable is suitable for servers and home use if security and stability are important for you
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• 2819[19:47:20] <Polarina> zuiss1, security updates are typically not immediately available in testing, they slowly get promoted from sid the same way other updates do.
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• 2828[19:52:43] <zuiss1> is it actually a danger to not have those immediate security updates if you are just on a laptop vs running a server though?
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• 2830[19:52:57] <zuiss1> how important is that added security that you lose by using testing for a home user
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• 2832[19:53:26] <awal1> zuiss1: if you want newest software, backports (for stable) are there. If you want a bleeding edge stuff, you may want to go with unstable branch for home use
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• 2834[19:54:15] <awal1> agian, debian recommends STABLE branch for servers and home use if security is important for you
• 2835[19:54:19] <awal1> again ^
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• 2844[19:56:07] <zuiss1> so if i wanted newer software while still getting support from a security team, would ubuntu be a better choice?
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• 2848[19:56:38] <zuiss1> sounds more secure than debian testing, while still giving newer software
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• 2870[20:06:14] <Dreaman> how to install new kernel
• 2871[20:06:21] <Dreaman> stable
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• 2874[20:07:19] <TomTomTosch> ,kernels
• 2875[20:07:20] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.5-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
• 2876[20:07:24] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
• 2877[20:08:02] <TomTomTosch> Dreaman: kernel 4.7 from backports is the easiest way. ^
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• 2879[20:08:17] <Dreaman> i use sid
• 2880[20:08:22] <Dreaman> and 4.7
• 2881[20:08:25] <TomTomTosch> you said stable.
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• 2884[20:08:40] <TomTomTosch> sid us the debian unstable branch.
• 2885[20:08:41] <Dreaman> stable kernel ia 4.8.7
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• 2887[20:08:50] <Dreaman> is
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• 2890[20:09:30] <TomTomTosch> !debian-next
• 2891[20:09:30] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2892[20:09:41] <TomTomTosch> i'm sure they will understand you better ^^
• 2893[20:09:45] <awal1> Dreaman: have you heard about experimental?
• 2894[20:10:31] <Dreaman> yes
• 2895[20:10:52] <TomTomTosch> oh, you mean the kernel from kernel.org. debian doesn't have 4.8.7 packaged yet, you will have to build it yourself.
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• 2898[20:11:19] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
• 2899[20:11:21] <Dreaman> ok
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• 2911[20:13:49] <stack> hi, is that possible to disable apt from caching deb files?
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• 2914[20:14:16] <stack> I found something like DPkg::Post-Invoke {"/bin/rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb || true";}; but I'm not sure it's the best option
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• 2916[20:14:47] <towo`> if you use apt instead og apt-get, no debs will be cached
• 2917[20:14:55] <towo`> s/og/of
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• 2921[20:16:30] <korhojoa_> hey guys
• 2922[20:17:09] <stack> towo`: I don't usually do that
• 2923[20:17:25] <towo`> what?
• 2924[20:17:33] <stack> using apt instead of apt-get
• 2925[20:17:44] <towo`> then use it
• 2926[20:17:48] <korhojoa_> my gnome-terminal won't start, exited with status 8. replaced-url
• 2927[20:17:50] <towo`> and no debs are cached
• 2928[20:17:56] <towo`> that's what you want
• 2929[20:18:00] <stack> I can't assure that some other tools doesn't
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• 2932[20:18:36] <towo`> [20:13:49] <stack> hi, is that possible to disable apt from caching deb files?
• 2933[20:18:47] <stack> I can't assure that some other tools don't use apt-get instead of apt
• 2934[20:18:59] <stack> for example: salt
• 2935[20:19:05] <towo`> apt-get command foo = caching debs, apt command foo = it doesn't
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• 2940[20:19:56] <korhojoa_> if you don't like cached debs, why not run apt-get clean afterwards?
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• 2942[20:20:46] <Dreaman> !wifi
• 2943[20:20:46] <dpkg> Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. replaced-url
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• 2946[20:21:17] <stack> korhojoa_: that's not what I asked
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• 2950[20:23:53] <korhojoa_> stack: I'm literate, this was an alternative.
• 2951[20:24:08] <stack> no it isn't
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• 2975[20:31:44] <stack> ok I think I'll copy what docker does replaced-url
• 2976[20:31:53] <qqx> stack: From the latest entry in the NEWS file for apt: To enable the behavior for other tools, you can set
• 2977[20:31:53] <qqx> "APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages" to false.
• 2978[20:32:13] <stack> qqx: uh thanks!
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• 2999[20:42:54] <jmd> There's a speech synthesis package somewhere which has options for different accents. Can anyone remember what it's called?
• 3000[20:43:11] <GNU\colossus> espeak maybe?
• 3001[20:43:19] <GNU\colossus> I know it has language-specific voices
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• 3065[21:08:04] <holgersson> Hello everyone! I’m running an stretch amd64 container and added the experimental repo for tinc-1.1. However, apt-get complains about missing libssl1.1. Any idea how to fix that? Is the dep broken.
• 3066[21:08:11] <holgersson> s/\./\?/
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• 3068[21:08:34] <prussian> uh
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• 3071[21:09:10] <prussian> you sure you addede the appropriate repo? if you're getting dep or version issues...
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• 3073[21:09:53] <holgersson> “tinc : Depends: libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0~pre5) but it is not installable“ with “apt -t experimental install tinc“
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• 3075[21:10:15] <greycat> We don't support experimental here.
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• 3078[21:10:46] <holgersson> greycat: OK, is there some other debian channel for that?
• 3079[21:10:47] <zmitya> hi Gents.. Thunderbird - Enigmail does not support gpg 1.x anymore. I do have gnupg2 installed hovewer Enigmail still complains about 1.x ...
• 3080[21:11:04] <zmitya> how can I install gnupg2 "officially" to make enigmail happy ?
• 3081[21:11:19] <zmitya> or is it an enigmail issue /
• 3082[21:11:20] <zmitya> ?
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• 3084[21:11:26] <greycat> I don't even know if debian-next supports experimental.
• 3085[21:11:33] <prussian> zmitya: you don't have gpg2 in your path?
• 3086[21:11:37] <prussian> weird
• 3087[21:11:46] <zmitya> prussian: it is next to gpg
• 3088[21:11:49] <zmitya> they are in /usr/bin
• 3089[21:12:07] <prussian> well fi you have it..
• 3090[21:12:12] <holgersson> greycat: So it’s better to build the packages myself then fetch it from experimental?
• 3091[21:12:14] <TomTomTosch> well, since he's running stretch,
• 3092[21:12:18] <TomTomTosch> !debian-next
• 3093[21:12:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3094[21:12:25] <prussian> in enigmail settings it gives you an option to set the gpg binary
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• 3096[21:12:54] <prussian> the enigmail dropdown, preferences, first little textbox.
• 3097[21:13:15] <holgersson> TomTomTosch, greycat: Thanks and sorry for disturbing here ;)
• 3098[21:13:46] <TomTomTosch> holgersson: no problem at all. good luck with your issue.
• 3099[21:13:51] <zmitya> prussian: hm.. let me check..
• 3100[21:13:53] <holgersson> TomTomTosch: Thanks
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• 3103[21:14:24] <prussian> sure. it will tell you if it found it. if it didn't just override it to the full path of your gpg2 binary
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• 3106[21:15:06] <zmitya> prussian: it could not find it for some reason.. I have just browsed gpg2 to him and now it works !!
• 3107[21:15:09] <zmitya> thanks..
• 3108[21:15:20] <prussian> cool
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• 3200[22:00:38] <algun> i'm switching totem full screen off and on
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• 3204[22:01:03] <algun> and i'm seeing screen caps of previous activities
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• 3207[22:01:26] <algun> my question is wth
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• 3210[22:01:35] <prussian> ???
• 3211[22:02:14] <prussian> Xorg might have some residual crap in its framebuffer. just redraw it
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• 3216[22:02:51] <algun> prussian: but there are many images in there from different points in time
• 3217[22:03:26] <prussian> I mean... ok. I can't really help you. it's a Xorg thing. Unless I'm not understanding your problem
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• 3220[22:04:11] <algun> i'm just trying to understand how this could happen
• 3221[22:04:46] <algun> allocating same points in memory maybe? but whose coding allowed this to reach the screen?
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• 3271[22:30:29] <voot> I have a usb wireless adapter that I believe is supported by the rt2800usb kernel module. I added the vendor and product alias in modules.alias, but the device is still not being listed with iwconfig. What am I doing incorrectly?
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• 3333[23:01:04] <buu> So why does upgrading from stable->unstable want to remove perl-modules?
• 3334[23:02:57] <towo`> if you have to ask, don't do that
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• 3338[23:03:44] <towo`> and btw, what makes you think, upgrading from stable to unstable should work?
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• 3341[23:05:55] <buu> What makes you think that contributed to this channel's topic?
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• 3343[23:06:05] <cra1g321> towo`, well it is the recommended/popular way to install unstable, so....
• 3344[23:06:16] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 3345[23:06:16] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 3349[23:06:58] <awal1> buu: if you want to run sid: minimal stable install ---» testing --» unstable then install what you want
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• 3351[23:07:47] <cra1g321> if dist-upgrade wants to remove packages then those packages are likely not needed or to be rereplaced
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• 3353[23:07:53] <cra1g321> replaced*
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• 3356[23:08:28] <awal1> ,v perl-modules
• 3357[23:08:29] <judd> Package: perl-modules on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u4; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u6; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u6
• 3358[23:08:53] <buu> I'm sure it'll be hilarious
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• 3362[23:09:58] <ska> Is the network-installer good for rescue disk?
• 3363[23:10:19] <greycat> It's marginally acceptable for some tasks.
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• 3369[23:12:41] <NobodyHere> Hello! I'm stumped - I recently did a dist-upgrade on a jessie machine and my LVM physical volumes that are on md devices are not showing up unless I force a pvscan --cache. lvmetad is enabled. Any suggestions on what to check?
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• 3371[23:12:51] <ska> ok.. Live-disk-standard better?
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• 3378[23:14:17] <awal1> buu: stable debian branch is really the best OS to have. Personally I have also sid but I just use it because I'm used to it and lazy to reinstall stable
• 3379[23:14:34] <buu> It seemed easier than compiling my own versions of software
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• 3384[23:15:08] <awal1> I told you what's the recommended way for run it so
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• 3388[23:17:46] <buu> Current status: 7 broken [+7], 1000 updates [-229], 26364 new [-5].
• 3389[23:17:47] <buu> lol
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• 3393[23:19:57] <buu> ok
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• 3396[23:21:36] <cra1g321> buu, note that sid is never intended to be a daily driver, if you want newer packages than what is offered in debian jessie, i would look at another distro tbh, or wait for stretch
• 3397[23:21:53] <buu> It's way more amusing this way
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• 3405[23:23:33] <Quatroking> oh my god i want to bash my head into the wall
• 3406[23:23:46] <Quatroking> why is samba sharing so horrible
• 3407[23:24:50] <Quatroking> i just want to share my home folder to a win10 machine but all I get is "homes" that won't open
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• 3412[23:26:00] <TomTomTosch> set browsable to yes ?
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• 3414[23:26:27] <Quatroking> yes
• 3415[23:27:00] <pos> browsable is not a requirement for it to work. Quatroking: smb.conf -> replaced-url
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• 3418[23:27:10] <igorchenko> - hi kids!
• 3419[23:27:13] <igorchenko> - Hi darla!
• 3420[23:27:20] <Quatroking> pos, that link doesn't work
• 3421[23:27:20] <igorchenko> - What are we going to do today?
• 3422[23:27:26] <igorchenko> - We are going to sing a sing! YAAY
• 3423[23:27:31] <pos> replaced-url
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• 3425[23:27:48] <igorchenko> Okay kids, here we go! " OOOOOHHHH, DING DING DING FUCK GOD IN THE ASSHOLE DING DING DING"
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• 3427[23:28:00] <igorchenko> peepee goes ding dong
• 3428[23:28:13] <Quatroking> replaced-url
• 3429[23:28:34] <crayon> kunwon1, i would like to discuss debian with you
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• 3432[23:29:32] <pos> Quatroking, and where is the homes share defined, exactly?
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• 3434[23:29:38] <jak2000> hi all
• 3435[23:29:40] <jak2000> bezaban?
• 3436[23:29:41] <jak2000> are you there?
• 3437[23:29:42] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: you didn't set a path for homes.
• 3438[23:29:43] <Quatroking> line 187
• 3439[23:29:49] <pos> sorry
• 3440[23:30:01] <Quatroking> path = /home/user ?
• 3441[23:30:03] <pos> path, maybe
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• 3443[23:30:58] <Quatroking> well I added that, still doesn't work
• 3444[23:30:59] <pos> Quatroking, I'm not seeing it, which is why I was asking...
• 3445[23:31:39] <Quatroking> windows shows a "homes" share and when I try to open it it gives me a generic "cannot access"
• 3446[23:32:07] <pos> Quatroking, and I bet the samba logs provide a pointer as to why...
• 3447[23:32:20] <Quatroking> where do I find those?
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• 3451[23:33:17] <pos> normally in /var/log/samba
• 3452[23:33:31] <TomTomTosch> you reloaded smbd after changing the config?
• 3453[23:34:37] <Quatroking> yes
• 3454[23:34:45] <Quatroking> sudo service smbd restart
• 3455[23:35:08] <pos> Quatroking, are you using ubuntu trusty or debian?
• 3456[23:35:19] <Quatroking> debian
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• 3458[23:35:26] <Quatroking> I just checked the logs, they're all empty files
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• 3460[23:36:06] <pos> well, that's not good
• 3461[23:37:02] <jak2000> how to accesss recovery mode?
• 3462[23:37:06] <jak2000> i want run fsck command
• 3463[23:37:11] <jak2000> but can do on a partition mounted
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• 3466[23:38:07] <Quatroking> is there a decent frontend for samba, by any chance
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• 3469[23:39:11] <buu> ha ha
• 3470[23:40:51] <igorchenko> buu: YOU JUST WENT WAY OVER THE TOP YOUNG LADY
• 3471[23:40:58] * igorchenko parently abuses buu
• 3472[23:41:14] <igorchenko> go to your room, bitch! (you are 5 years old)
• 3473[23:41:21] <Quatroking> rude
• 3474[23:41:23] <igorchenko> No dinner for you!
• 3475[23:41:33] <igorchenko> Quatroking: are you sure it's not friendly?
• 3476[23:41:52] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: i think %S is the problem. try putting in a valid user for testing.
• 3477[23:41:53] <igorchenko> Quatroking: it's love, maybe? Parents are the heroes kids don't want and don't deserve but need
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• 3479[23:42:05] <TomTomTosch> !ops igorchenko
• 3480[23:42:05] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch complains about: igorchenko
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• 3483[23:42:18] <igorchenko> Quatroking: or are you against parenting and pro-throw-kids-out-on-the-streets?
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• 3487[23:42:40] <Quatroking> igorchenko, nope, still not working
• 3488[23:42:45] <igorchenko> TomTomTosch: how does my trolling make you feel?
• 3489[23:42:52] <igorchenko> TomTomTosch: does it make you salty and angry?
• 3490[23:43:02] <Quatroking> er
• 3491[23:43:09] <Quatroking> TomTomTosch, nope, still not working
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• 3494[23:43:27] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: from replaced-url
• 3495[23:45:17] <igorchenko> omg.. TomTomTosch is PM-spamming me now. Can ops do something about it?
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• 3497[23:46:23] <awal1> igorchenko: is this you ? replaced-url
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• 3499[23:46:43] * igorchenko is being assaulted by a non-gender car of color
• 3500[23:46:47] * cra1g321 whispers - don't feed the troll
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• 3502[23:47:44] <igorchenko> you know, awal1, I was just thinking "a dog and a donkey", you know. And this just popped up in my suggestions replaced-url
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• 3506[23:48:21] <igorchenko> what's better than a happy playing donkey
• 3507[23:48:50] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: did you set a password for your user in samba using smbpasswd?
• 3508[23:48:51] <igorchenko> distanced by hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and just as happy other species are when they're having fun
• 3509[23:48:57] <Quatroking> yes
• 3510[23:49:00] <jak2000> jmcnaught
• 3511[23:49:02] <jak2000> friend
• 3512[23:49:34] <igorchenko> I'm going to buy a donkey and have it in my 1x1m appartment.
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• 3515[23:49:42] <igorchenko> I will feed it with pizza
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• 3518[23:49:55] *** igorchenko was kicked by somiaj (you should know better)
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• 3520[23:50:08] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: well, i can't find anything else that could be wrong. but i've never used it in combination with win10. maybe someone else will have an idea.
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• 3526[23:52:29] <Quatroking> lemme reset samba entirely and go back to defaults
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• 3548[23:59:36] <jak2000> how to access: initramfs
• 3549[23:59:38] <jak2000> ?
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