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• 2[00:00:36] <deemel> could be worse, I guess
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• 15[00:06:32] <tomcres> shouldn't be…do you see it when you visit about:plugins ?
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• 17[00:06:45] <mandeep> tomcres: no
• 18[00:06:49] <tomcres> hmmm
• 19[00:07:05] <bch> hi, when i am doing systemctl restart <service>, does this make use of /etc/init.d/<service> ?
• 20[00:07:07] <tomcres> which package did you install exactly?
• 21[00:07:30] <mandeep> tomcres: flashplugin-nonfree
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• 25[00:08:07] <tomcres> should just work
• 26[00:08:11] <mandeep> hmm
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• 29[00:08:43] <nodenono> hi there
• 30[00:08:52] <nodenono> i'm on debian jessy
• 31[00:09:02] <nodenono> i'm having troubles with systemd
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• 33[00:09:54] <nodenono> teh execstart statement is correct, but the "server" still doesn't go up
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• 35[00:10:48] <thurstylark> nodenono: paste the full unit to a paste service
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• 37[00:10:57] <nodenono> ok
• 38[00:11:03] <tomcres> bch I don't believe it invokes those scripts. Instead it relies on the .service or .socket files in the systemd lib directory. I think the stuff in /etc/init.d is just there for compatibility with old scripts.
• 39[00:11:54] <nodenono> replaced-url
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• 41[00:12:14] <bch> tomcres: ok thanks.
• 42[00:12:33] <bch> are there any debian/systemd specific docs? i tried the debian handbook but it explains sysvinit.
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• 44[00:12:50] <nodenono> i'm pretty new to systemd
• 45[00:12:50] <tomcres> hmmm... let's try
• 46[00:12:52] <tomcres> !systemd
• 47[00:12:52] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". replaced-url
• 48[00:13:11] <peterrooney> ...and yet still not documented.
• 49[00:13:55] <nodenono> again, if I exec the execstart command with a shell, it works
• 50[00:14:03] <bch> i guess, debian adapted systemd (at least slightly).
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• 54[00:14:48] <thurstylark> nodenono: get any useful output to the journal?
• 55[00:15:23] <tx> anyone use spacewalk here (on debian or derivatives)
• 56[00:15:37] <nodenono> bch: nothing
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• 60[00:16:38] <thurstylark> nodenono: is it truly a oneshot?
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• 63[00:17:34] <nodenono> thurstylark: have no clue: as I said, I'm pretty new
• 64[00:17:57] <nodenono> thus Type=simple gives the same results
• 65[00:18:09] <nodenono> here's the journal replaced-url
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• 67[00:18:51] <nodenono> the exec is a nodejs
• 68[00:19:16] <nodenono> forever handles nodejs app as a service
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• 71[00:20:09] <nodenono> I gave al asb paths as asked
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• 78[00:21:28] <asterismo> hi
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• 80[00:21:46] <thurstylark> nodenono: try Type=forking
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• 82[00:22:09] <nodenono> trying
• 83[00:22:17] <asterismo> is there any good in expanding current system entropy with haveged daemon? from 800-900 bits to 4096 bits?
• 84[00:22:49] <nodenono> thurstylark: same
• 85[00:23:01] <beneter> asterismo: it's good for headless systems ;-)
• 86[00:23:13] <nodenono> the status says it's running, but no process is created
• 87[00:23:14] <thurstylark> nodenono: try commenting out the ExecStop
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• 89[00:23:41] <thurstylark> nodenono: no process is created? how are you testing that?
• 90[00:24:15] <nodenono> thurstylark: with a ps aux|grep node
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• 94[00:25:35] <nodenono> thurstylark: nothing commenting out th execstop
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• 98[00:27:36] <thurstylark> nodenono: I'd check that log file that forever made.
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• 101[00:29:21] <bch> tomcres: i tried to find the .service/.socket file for this particular service (quasselcore) but i wasn't able to find anything systemd related. only init scripts.
• 102[00:29:28] <nodenono> thurstylark: it says "error: Forever detected script was killed by signal: SIGKILL"
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• 104[00:29:49] <nodenono> but why
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• 106[00:29:55] <tomcres> OK. It may be running in SysV compatibility mode for that service. In that case, yes, it would use the files in /etc/init.d
• 107[00:30:17] <bch> ok thanks for your help!
• 108[00:30:35] <thurstylark> nodenono: does it act differently if you manually run that as root instead of your user?
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• 110[00:31:57] <nodenono> thurstylark: i must be run by root because it uses the nic in promiscuous mode
• 111[00:32:00] <nodenono> it
• 112[00:32:05] <thurstylark> ahh
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• 138[00:44:45] <nodenono> using rc.local is an option now...
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• 168[01:00:22] <derarsch> hey is das gut
• 169[01:00:23] <derarsch> replaced-url
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• 193[01:14:39] <ixvolt> hi everyone
• 194[01:14:48] <tomcres> hello ixvolt
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• 196[01:15:03] <ixvolt> I'm facing a very serious issue with my debian
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• 200[01:16:37] <ixvolt> In other time, I would have take the time to check every possible forum. But I have a deadline tomorrow, I have to work on a pentest report and my debian is completely dead
• 201[01:16:46] <ixvolt> I have done some troubleshoot
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• 203[01:17:21] <ixvolt> Is there people available to talk about it? I may need an outside point of view :-(
• 204[01:17:37] <tomcres> dead as in "won't boot?"
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• 207[01:17:53] <ixvolt> not that dead actually
• 208[01:18:05] <TomTomTo1> !ask
• 209[01:18:05] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 211[01:18:20] <ixvolt> @dpkg my bad
• 212[01:18:25] <pingouin> what is org.jackaudio.service and how «control» it ?
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• 214[01:18:48] <ixvolt> $(df -h) display 0 available space
• 215[01:19:10] <ixvolt> so, I'm not able to open an X session anymore
• 216[01:19:24] <ixvolt> the "funny" thinf is the disk isn't really full
• 217[01:19:43] <tomcres> have you fscked it?
• 218[01:20:09] <ixvolt> tried, but I have to admit I never used this command before
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• 221[01:20:56] <ixvolt> I just executed fsck, it displayed that /dev/sdb2 was mounted
• 222[01:21:07] <ixvolt> /dev/sdb2 being my /
• 223[01:21:22] <n4dir> i would start with apt-get clean
• 224[01:21:33] <ixvolt> and something like "can't continue, stop right now"
• 225[01:21:42] <beneter> ixvolt: yea... you need to run from a boot cd to check your /
• 226[01:21:56] <TomTomTo1> you don't run fsck on a mounted fs.
• 227[01:22:26] <ixvolt> I saw the apt-get clean command in a forum, so I checked the man and worried about it deleting too many things on my system
• 228[01:22:43] <ixvolt> I'll check if I have a USB live key to run the fsck then
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• 230[01:22:49] <beneter> apt-get clean will only delete the cache... so no packages
• 231[01:23:02] <ixvolt> there is something else I find pretty odd
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• 234[01:23:22] <ixvolt> @beneter so totally harmless then? I'll try it first then
• 235[01:23:42] <ixvolt> the thing I couldn't understand
• 236[01:23:55] <TomTomTo1> where does df -h report no space? what is the size and how much is available?
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• 238[01:23:58] <beneter> ixvolt: yes. But it will have no real effect too ;-)
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• 240[01:24:23] <Iridos> how about showing the output of df -h in a pastebin…
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• 242[01:24:35] <ixvolt> something like : total:156go, used:148go, available:0
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• 244[01:24:51] <ixvolt> when I saw that, I tried to remove some useless things
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• 247[01:25:00] <ixvolt> I deleted 1.6gb of files
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• 251[01:25:13] <ixvolt> the used space did actually decrease
• 252[01:25:22] <ixvolt> but the available space didn't change
• 253[01:25:27] <ixvolt> there is this
• 254[01:25:34] <ixvolt> and there is the permission thing
• 255[01:25:39] <beneter> oO
• 256[01:25:45] <ixvolt> my user is not able to write on the disk
• 257[01:25:54] <ixvolt> I switched to root
• 258[01:26:06] <ixvolt> and root was magically able to write on disk
• 259[01:26:18] <ixvolt> even if the df -h steel display "available 0"
• 260[01:26:39] <ixvolt> so I switched back to my user, try to write a file to disk:nop. I sudo it, yep, it works.
• 261[01:26:52] <beneter> ixvolt: cat /etc/security/limits.conf
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• 263[01:27:04] <ixvolt> I was thinking about capabilities
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• 265[01:27:22] <ixvolt> but my knowledge is pretty... weak
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• 267[01:27:48] <ixvolt> I'm rebooting right now, I'll check limits.conf asap
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• 269[01:27:59] <ixvolt> thank you a lot btw guys
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• 272[01:28:48] <apathor> does apt provide references to upstream repositories for packages at all?
• 273[01:29:22] <Iridos> ixvolt, is that an ext3/4 filesystem?
• 274[01:29:23] <ixvolt> god damnit, didn't need to check limits conf
• 275[01:29:30] <ixvolt> apt-get clean did the job
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• 277[01:30:01] <ixvolt> I lost almost 1 hours because I was worried the apt-get clean would break my system
• 278[01:30:02] <ixvolt> damn
• 279[01:30:05] <themill> apathor: no; the source package *might* but would probably point at a downloads page not the VCS
• 280[01:30:53] <ixvolt> df -h now displaying 6,6go available
• 281[01:31:07] <ixvolt> seems like my X session is now starting fine
• 282[01:31:21] <ixvolt> you are a-we-some
• 283[01:31:30] <ixvolt> you guys just save the night
• 284[01:31:36] <beneter> ixtvolt: :-)
• 285[01:31:40] <ixvolt> back to my pentest report, thank you all
• 286[01:32:23] <beneter> ixtvolt: I once filled my root partition with a recursive error in /var/log... within seconds I was unable to do anything....
• 287[01:32:39] <beneter> ixvolt: since then i'm using multiple partitions ;-)
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• 289[01:37:00] <apathor> thanks themill
• 290[01:38:02] <ixvolt> @beneter maybe I needed this incident then, I think I'm going to seriously think again about having everything in a single partition in a few days ^^
• 291[01:38:55] <n4dir> ixvolt: apt-get clean can remove quite a bit, but you will probably soon run into space problems again.
• 292[01:39:34] <n4dir> i would take care of that asap
• 293[01:40:29] <ixvolt> n4dir: if I clean enough space on my disk, I shouldn't be annoy by these kind of incidents?
• 294[01:40:57] <n4dir> can't say, but 6 Gigs isn't that much. Depending on what you do and how.
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• 296[01:41:38] <n4dir> it sucks if you run in such if you don't need it at all ...
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• 298[01:42:03] <ixvolt> you're right, I should seriously think about a solution for my space disk.
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• 301[01:43:42] <ixvolt> funny how my job is to give advice on good practice to my customers, and how I have a terrible management of my own computer
• 302[01:43:47] <ixvolt> "funny"
• 303[01:44:25] <beneter> ixvolt: I'm a bit scared right now ;-)
• 304[01:44:49] <ixvolt> "do what I say, not what I do"
• 305[01:44:56] <ixvolt> here it is
• 306[01:45:38] <ixvolt> goodbye guys, thank you very much for your help
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• 315[01:51:48] <oblio> howdy, a problem just cropped up on my system when when i run apt-get update i get the following error for each source: "Couldn't execute /usr/bin/apt-key to check"
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• 317[01:52:32] <oblio> but the binary is there and executes fine
• 318[01:52:50] <beneter> oblido: ls -a /usr/bin/apt-key
• 319[01:53:04] <beneter> hmm
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• 331[01:59:57] <tomcres> oblio are you running Ubuntu by any chance?
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• 357[02:14:51] <boro> is debian good for a media player device or might there be nonfree codec issues
• 358[02:15:28] <missmbob> mpv plays everything i want fine
• 359[02:15:31] <tomcres> no codec issues
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• 362[02:17:06] <dvs> now that the mp3 patent ran out
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• 383[02:27:29] <brimonk> Inside of UNIX, there seems to be a CPU number that, the higher it is, the more CPU cycles and the higher the disk IO is. Can anyone tell me where I can go read about this in more depth? (Or tell me what the indicator is?)
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• 388[02:30:03] <missmbob> brimonk: i assume you're talking about load averages. replaced-url
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• 391[02:30:34] <rocket__> hi
• 392[02:30:56] <brimonk> Thanks missmbob!
• 393[02:31:07] <rocket__> if i install the new debian server release will i be save from hackers or do i have to watch some certain stuff?
• 394[02:31:24] <rocket__> i just need some git
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• 397[02:32:09] <missmbob> rocket__: it's safe. keeep it updated.
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• 399[02:32:30] <rocket__> ok thanks
• 400[02:32:33] <Spec> The safety of any computer system connected to the internet depends on the technical competency of the users, as well as the configuration of the unit.
• 401[02:32:35] <rocket__> yes i will
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• 405[02:33:09] <Cyis> rocket__: Like any system connected to the internet you have to maintain security updates to keep it secure
• 406[02:33:45] <rocket__> yes i do that
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• 409[02:34:44] <rocket__> thanks
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• 411[02:36:35] <rocket__> which release do u recommend?
• 412[02:36:39] <rocket__> for server
• 413[02:37:05] <tomcres> Jessie/stable
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• 415[02:38:04] <rocket__> ok thanks
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• 420[02:41:23] <somiaj> brimonk: or do you mean bogomips?
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• 422[02:41:55] <somiaj> brimonk: cat /proc/cpuinfo you can see bogomips : number, which is a bogus estimate of your cpu speed
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• 424[02:42:01] <rocket__> you guys are so much better compared to ubuntu if i may say that
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• 429[02:43:35] <somiaj> !next
• 430[02:43:35] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 431[02:43:48] <somiaj> rocket__: well you didn't really leave, but the bot likes complements.
• 432[02:44:01] <rocket__> well who cares
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• 434[02:44:13] <rocket__> i was asking the same question at the ubuntu channel
• 435[02:44:17] <rocket__> and ppl told me its not save
• 436[02:44:24] <rocket__> and a lot of crap
• 437[02:44:43] <Cyis> rocket__: that's Ubuntu...
• 438[02:44:45] <rocket__> i shouldnt connect to the internet
• 439[02:44:47] <rocket__> and shit
• 440[02:45:06] <Cyis> they're idea of a bug fix is just to disable the problem
• 441[02:45:07] <rocket__> i mean what is a server version worth if its not connected to the net
• 442[02:45:22] <rocket__> haha
• 443[02:45:34] <rocket__> ok i will go for strict debian right now
• 444[02:45:55] <tomcres> Just be sure to `apt update` regularly so you can see if there are any security updates
• 445[02:46:03] <rocket__> well sure i do that
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• 447[02:46:24] <somiaj> rocket__: well you are never 100%, debian takes security sersioually and fixes the sever known exploits. On top of that you can do other things to increase security, one simple one is not run services you don't need that are open to the internet. Default configurations may not be as secure as poosible, but they are decent. You can read up on 'hardining' debian to see ways to increase some more security.
• 448[02:46:48] <rocket__> i dont do that
• 449[02:47:04] <rocket__> im really no pro but i know a little linu
• 450[02:47:04] <missmbob> that hardening wiki is useless right now.
• 451[02:47:04] <rocket__> x
• 452[02:47:07] <tomcres> also Debian tends not to be as bleeding edge as Ubuntu, so there's more time to find and fix security problems in the versions that ship with the distribution
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• 458[02:48:45] <apestate> how's rocket doing?
• 459[02:49:07] <rocket__> tomreyn, thats why i wanted to go with ubuntu but i think debian is more professional
• 460[02:49:23] <infinityplus> has everyone noticed that debian is getting what it deserves...over at replaced-url
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• 463[02:50:43] <infinityplus> that should drive away a lot of god fearing customers
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• 469[02:51:19] <rocket__> thanks guys
• 470[02:51:21] <rocket__> anyway
• 471[02:51:27] <Cyis> somiaj: Thank you... I was gonna ask his point but you responded more accordingly
• 472[02:51:30] <rocket__> i think debian is the better choice
• 473[02:51:41] <rocket__> compared to ubuntu
• 474[02:51:47] <rocket__> when it comes to security
• 475[02:51:53] <somiaj> Cyis: I just only saw noise comming from that.
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• 477[02:52:14] <Cyis> rocket__: I've been using Debian since 2k and my first distro I'm sure most around here won't have even heard of or only have vague memories of
• 478[02:53:03] <Cyis> rocket__: Debian stable is just that... and as was said the security team takes the task of tracking vulnerabilities as they are found and tracking fixes
• 479[02:53:05] <somiaj> rocket__: ubuntus lts is similar, and sticking to their core packages, I woudln't say one is vastly better in security than the others. The non lts release moves a bit to quickly for server stuff in lots of peoples opions (not enough to time to test and work out the bugs before the next upgrade)
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• 481[02:53:51] <tomcres> I've used several Linux distros for desktop over the years, but I've always used Debian/stable for servers
• 482[02:53:54] <somiaj> rocket__: though I still suggeste debian, I just don't see a vast difference in security to the lts release.
• 483[02:54:06] <rocket__> ok
• 484[02:54:11] <rocket__> thanks anyway
• 485[02:54:18] <rocket__> i will install tomorrow debian
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• 487[02:54:22] <Cyis> system security is always a moving target... you can't just put a system together and forget it. That's the point the comments in here were leading you, sounds like the Ubuntu just takes a staunch stance that nothing is secure with in a way is true in a very literal sense
• 488[02:54:29] <rocket__> also my friends at google recommended it to me
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• 490[02:55:21] <rocket__> im no linux pro
• 491[02:55:41] <rocket__> they are all using arch linux or nexos and other distros
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• 493[02:56:00] <rocket__> but they said debian is still the greatest distro
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• 495[02:56:47] <rocket__> i just want this server running
• 496[02:56:53] <rocket__> with git and have it secure
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• 498[02:57:15] <rocket__> in a normal way
• 499[02:57:37] <Cyis> rocket__: Debian with as close to base install with only those services you need running is going to be the best way to go then just keep up with security updates regularly
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• 502[02:58:24] <Cyis> For my servers I use password-less logins with pre-shared SSH identity keys plus MFA
• 503[02:58:29] <rocket__> yeah i will thanks
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• 508[03:03:27] <awal1> How to force a specific app to use a specific icon theme?
• 509[03:03:39] <bazhang> which app
• 510[03:03:49] <awal1> pasystray
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• 512[03:04:39] <bazhang> is that some icon that sits on the taskbar
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• 516[03:05:06] <somiaj> I would first look to see if the app itself can be configured to set the icon theme.
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• 518[03:05:43] <awal1> I think it relays on adwaita icon theme by default, so pasystray icon is invisible when using a dark panel such as tint2 and when using other icon themes for x session other than adwaita
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• 521[03:06:45] <awal1> pasystray frontend is just an icon in system tray
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• 527[03:10:57] <wolfmitchell> meanwhile, my internet is out and i need to reinstall an old laptop w/ debian.... so i'm doing a debian netinstall using IP over QR codes w/ a video call.
• 528[03:11:10] <wolfmitchell> i think i'm the only one to somehow involve QR codes in a debian network isntall
• 529[03:11:13] <wolfmitchell> install*
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• 535[03:13:57] <rocket__> Cyis, sure i know, but thats pretty a philosophical approach i just want some basic answer i got here
• 536[03:14:29] <rocket__> if you go with update lock services you should be fine .
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• 540[03:15:54] <rocket__> thanks anyway im going with debian and im off cu
• 541[03:16:19] <Old_Dog> Is anyone experiencing any problems with the Debian (jessie) mirrors?
• 542[03:16:24] <rocket__> i like debian more because it has no bloatware
• 543[03:16:34] <rocket__> and its not that commercial and only open source
• 544[03:16:48] <rocket__> i dont like ubuntu at all
• 545[03:17:01] <rocket__> i was just well ubuntu may have more updates
• 546[03:17:14] <rocket__> but well debian seems the better choice
• 547[03:17:16] <rocket__> later
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• 549[03:17:35] <tomcres> old dog I just ran an APT update and it was fine. Is it a specific mirror you're having a problem with?
• 550[03:19:26] <Old_Dog> tomcres no, what I have is LMDE2 (Linux Mint Debian Edition 2), and on two different machines, the update manager cannot find ANY base (jessie) mirror to connect to. all show up as 'unreachable"
• 551[03:20:22] <tomcres> !based on debian
• 552[03:20:23] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 553[03:21:03] <Old_Dog> ok thanks. I fully understand.
• 554[03:21:04] <bazhang> mint support is on spotchat irc
• 555[03:21:38] <Old_Dog> I sincerely apologize
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• 557[03:22:49] <awal1> In /usr/share/applications/pasystray.desktop I see: Icon=pasystray but pasystray.png in /usr/share/pixmaps isn't the one used for pasystray icon in system tray. the icon is adapted to adwaita theme :(
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• 577[03:44:24] <raynold> Debian rules
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• 579[03:45:34] <dennis__> Just a quick question. How long does a "soft freeze" usually last?
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• 581[03:46:45] <dvs> !wwsr
• 582[03:46:46] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
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• 585[03:48:32] <dennis__> Thanks for the answer. I use debian testing as my daily driver. I am not a programmer though. All I can do is find and report problems.
• 586[03:49:36] <dvs> That's what testing is for
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• 590[03:51:59] <dennis__> It's pretty solid ... the only issue I have run into is recently. mps-youtube (for 32-bit) does not run. 64bit version works just fine.
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• 595[03:55:15] <jaggz> anyone have a solution for whatever is added to vim that makes # comments go to the start of the line?
• 596[03:55:41] <jaggz> it's not a default vim behavior -- something packaged with it does it
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• 602[03:56:27] <jaggz> or, at least they said it's not a default thing.. but I see here it might be: replaced-url
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• 604[03:57:06] <tomcres> found this: replaced-url
• 605[03:57:15] <tomcres> lol
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• 611[03:58:53] <jaggz> tomcres, I did have to refer to it twice anyway because their au! filetype commands didn't disable it and I had to use their first recommendation :)
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• 613[04:00:14] <jaggz> thanks :)
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• 622[04:04:32] <awal1> I tried afterstep under sid a few days ago and it's completely broken; such thing doesn't sound like debian stable, too embarrassing
• 623[04:05:33] <awal1> many unpopular wm's are really broken
• 624[04:06:02] <awal1> unpopular/non popular...
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• 647[04:22:17] <lishoujun> /msg dpkg install jessie
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• 827[06:45:04] <fishbulb> how do I search for things in the debian repos?
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• 829[06:45:22] <fishbulb> I'm thiking of switching
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• 834[06:51:25] <fishbulb> anyone
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• 847[07:02:38] <newcoder> Does ubuntu have same name for a package like debian?
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• 849[07:02:54] <GPenguin> newcoder: most likely
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• 852[07:04:02] <GPenguin> the packages from a new ubuntu version come from the unstable tree of debian. on top of that they put their so called deltas, their modifications
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• 857[07:07:16] <pingu8> good morning all. i'm trying very hard to get an ssh tunnel started on boot, but i'm failing with everything i try. e.g ssh user@ip.add.re.ss -f -N -D localhost:1080 -o ExitOnForwardFailure=yes
• 858[07:07:16] <pingu8> i've tried init.d scripts, post-up in interfaces. nothing i do seems to work
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• 864[07:11:53] <GPenguin> pingu8: anything interesting going on when you add "-vv" verbosity?
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• 868[07:15:56] <pingu8> i don't know how that would work with -f, or where to look for a boot log
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• 870[07:17:09] <GPenguin> pingu8: okay, hmmm. then a general tip: try to make it work from the console not on boot. only if that works i would add the on-boot functionality
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• 874[07:17:44] <newcoder> There was a distribution named sidux, is it obsolete now?
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• 880[07:23:53] <pingu8> GPenguin, it works from the console and from the script i'm trying to run. i've just tried sticking it in if-up.d and that works (at last! : ), so i think problem solved
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• 883[07:24:43] <pingu8> weird that post-up doesn't do it. must be doing something wrong
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• 886[07:29:04] <Ragnarokkr> pingu8: are you trying to log into a ssh server or set up a ssh server on boot
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• 896[07:34:38] <pingu8> Ragnarokkr, trying to login
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• 898[07:36:42] <GPenguin> pingu8: cool beans
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• 900[07:39:03] <Ragnarokkr> oh, you could try using a SystemD unit
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• 919[07:53:31] <pingu8> i think i might know what's causing it. i just tested again using a comparison on $IFACE (if =) and the connection fails. suspect that it's not only that device i should be waiting on, but also lo?
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• 922[07:54:05] <shazzr> Using the latest stable debian with the Mate desktop and lightdm login manager....how can I auto login a user on boot?
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• 924[07:55:22] <picknick> shazzr: there's a setting for that in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
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• 941[08:07:23] <GPenguin> pingu8: i am not yet sure how sysvinit/systemd differ in that regard. maybe you can stick your ssh script in a later slot. e.g. whith S20networking i would put it in S89tunnel
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• 943[08:08:09] <pingu8> i'm not good with systemd. trying to force myself to get used to
• 944[08:08:17] <GPenguin> me too
• 945[08:08:54] <pingu8> i don't think the init technique will allow for waiting on the device to come up
• 946[08:10:18] <pingu8> i think i need both eth0 and lo to be up before i try to connect to my ssh (since i'm binding to localhost). i'm sure there's a better way, but i was about to try this replaced-url
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• 952[08:14:55] <Ragnarokkr> pingu8: systemd is suppose to be backwards compatibale with systemv, you could try taking a systemd unit for sshd and changing it use the command you got to work
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• 968[08:25:11] <heston> hello, where can I find a list of recommended laptop wifi adapters for debian that support foss drivers
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• 973[08:26:53] <picknick> heston: h-node
• 974[08:27:14] <newcoder> replaced-url
• 975[08:27:26] <newcoder> Is it debian live cd?
• 976[08:27:36] <zykotick9> picknick: thank you! i was trying to remember h-node.com bout couldn't...
• 977[08:27:58] <tomcres> AFAIK there is no installer for sid. You have to install testing and then upgrade to sid.
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• 981[08:28:38] <zykotick9> stable -> downgrade testing -> downgrade sid/unstable
• 982[08:28:46] <heston> picknick, thank you
• 983[08:29:45] <newcoder> tomcres: So what kind of debian installation method that is?
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• 986[08:30:54] <zykotick9> newcoder: use netinst. <- after that, if you make the decision to downgrade to testing/unstable... that's up you you ;)
• 987[08:30:55] <tomcres> I don't think Debian produces a live sid system. If you're really insistent on running sid from a live CD, you probably want to look at siduction.org
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• 989[08:31:42] <zykotick9> debian-live* <- something that should go-away/disappear ASAP IMO...
• 990[08:31:47] <newcoder> Does debian jessie have any live cd?
• 991[08:32:09] <newcoder> Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie)
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• 993[08:32:20] <tomcres> There are unofficial Debian jessie live CD's here: replaced-url
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• 996[08:32:42] <zykotick9> s/unofficial/crappy/
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• 1013[08:46:18] <heston> picknick, im not sure that's very up to date
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• 1018[08:48:47] <picknick> heston: you could ask at #trisquel, those guys probably know more about foss supported hardware
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• 1024[08:53:18] <zykotick9> heston: you're not sure h-node is more up-to-date than debian? maybe, but it's _really_ lose!
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• 1026[08:53:34] <zykotick9> s/lose/close/
• 1027[08:54:30] <heston> well for instance I cant find the intel 4500MHD gpu in that list but im using it now
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• 1029[08:54:47] * zykotick9 would take debian over trisquel for "free software" support anyday... just sayin'
• 1030[08:55:28] <picknick> zykotick9: me too, but I'm not hardcore enough to use *only* free software for drivers and firmware
• 1031[08:55:29] <zykotick9> heston: is 4500HHD = ATI?
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• 1033[08:56:24] <zykotick9> picknick: i _am_ that hardware enough... i run leahboot on my x200/t400/r400 systems...
• 1034[08:56:47] <zykotick9> s/hardware/harcore/
• 1035[08:57:18] <heston> zykotick9, thats MHD
• 1036[08:57:22] <heston> not HHD
• 1037[08:57:40] <zykotick9> mhd? hdd?
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• 1040[08:58:42] <zykotick9> ahh... do you mean 4500 = ati or amd?
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• 1042[09:00:37] <zykotick9> ^ ATI/AMD graphics is NOT free software in debian :( and thus should be avoided!
• 1043[09:00:42] <heston> dude, it;s an intel integrated gpu
• 1044[09:00:44] <heston> google it
• 1045[09:00:50] <heston> 4500MHD
• 1046[09:01:36] <zykotick9> "google it" <- no thank you, but sorry... i run much older hardware myself.
• 1047[09:02:13] <heston> then why are you contradicting me when youre unsure
• 1048[09:02:42] <zykotick9> sorry. my contractition being 4500 might be an ati/amd card...
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• 1051[09:04:20] <zykotick9> have i mentioned f' ati/amd? just sayin'
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• 1054[09:04:36] <heston> lol what?
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• 1056[09:05:19] <heston> Im quite certain there's a lot of older ATI cards supported
• 1057[09:06:48] <zykotick9> heston: that _might_ be true... i can't confirm or deny.. but... f' ati/amd... IMO i can't be run "in freedom" without a binary blob... thus... isn't something to be "take seriously"
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• 1059[09:07:26] <zykotick9> s/i can't/if it can't/
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• 1066[09:09:32] <heston> by supported i mean they have an open driver
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• 1070[09:11:43] <zykotick9> heston: "open driver" = i don't care vs. "free driver" i care a lot... not sure where your argument lies currently... best of luck regardless.
• 1071[09:12:00] <maziar> i have a log file in first line column1 is charge but in second line column2 is charge , how can i sum these "sum=first_line_column1 + secound_line_column2" ? ( Or is there any way to sort these column to all charge be in same column ? )
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• 1074[09:14:47] <Dreaman> free driver is good but in debian full hd reosolution is ......
• 1075[09:15:17] <Dreaman> my radeon is 4830
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• 1080[09:16:35] <zykotick9> Dreaman: wrong... "free driver" = fanstastic... while "open driver" = something.... free != open... ati/amd=non-freee thus crap!
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• 1086[09:18:01] <Dreaman> but resolution evry distro work fedora opensuse ubuntu arch in debina full hd
• 1087[09:18:03] <Dreaman> no
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• 1089[09:18:12] <picknick> Dreaman: do you have to firmware installed? I have a radeon hd4670 in a closet somewhere that needed to proprietary firmware for 3d accel, only some very old radeon cards work without the firmware
• 1090[09:18:50] <picknick> s/to/the
• 1091[09:18:51] <Dreaman> i use ubuntu
• 1092[09:19:06] <Dreaman> but install debian some times
• 1093[09:19:13] <Dreaman> this is problem for me
• 1094[09:19:30] <Dreaman> 23 inch fullhd monitor
• 1095[09:19:30] <picknick> Dreaman: yeah, ubuntu ships with the firmware out of the box, with debian you have to install it yourself
• 1096[09:20:18] <Dreaman> ok
• 1097[09:20:20] <picknick> Dreaman: replaced-url
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• 1099[09:21:19] <zykotick9> 03:18 < Dreaman> i use ubuntu <- yet this is #debian?!?!
• 1100[09:22:00] <Dreaman> ok reinstall with debian
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• 1109[09:29:42] <maziar> let me change my question
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• 1115[09:32:38] <maziar> i have a log file that its columns are irregular, for example in line1 column1 is "charge" line2 column4 is charge and line3 column2 is charge, how should i sort, these columns that they are like :"charge=*"
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• 1123[09:43:54] <Iridos> maziar, you will need to put sample data into a pastebin for that question, else it is unanswerable… and… well, pick your favorite scripting language and process it like awk/perl/python/lua/ruby whatever…
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• 1125[09:44:21] <Iridos> and if you're stuck doing this in whatever language, it's probably more useful to ask in the channel for that language
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• 1129[09:46:49] <maziar> Iridos in first step, i do need to sort columns, for example put all "charge=x" to column1
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• 1131[09:47:00] <maziar> Iridos let me share some sample to you
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• 1133[09:49:06] <maziar> Iridos replaced-url
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• 1143[09:59:09] <maziar> nobody can help ?
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• 1161[10:12:33] <maziar> :O
• 1162[10:13:41] <steakwipe> sorry man i dont even know what that is
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• 1164[10:13:47] <steakwipe> i hope you figure it out
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• 1172[10:18:43] <jusss> I plug one usb wireless wifi card bl-d88, and it's mediatek mt7601u, but ifconfig don't show the interface
• 1173[10:19:08] <jusss> and dmesg says'mt7601u 1-1:1.0: Direct firmware load for mt7601u.bin failed with error -2'
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• 1176[10:19:46] <jelly> judd: file mt7601u.bin
• 1177[10:19:51] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
• 1178[10:20:31] <jelly> judd: file mt7601u.bin --release sid
• 1179[10:20:35] <judd> Search for mt7601u.bin in sid/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/mt7601u.bin
• 1180[10:20:49] <jelly> jusss: which kernel are you using? which debian release?
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• 1182[10:21:05] <jusss> jelly: debian jessie, kernel 4.4
• 1183[10:21:15] <jelly> jusss: where did you get that 4.4 kernel from?
• 1184[10:21:34] <jusss> jelly: I compile it
• 1185[10:21:34] <jelly> judd: file mt7601u.bin --release jessie-backports
• 1186[10:21:35] <judd> Search for mt7601u.bin in jessie-backports/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/mt7601u.bin
• 1187[10:21:58] <jelly> jusss: install firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports ^^
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• 1189[10:22:10] <jusss> jelly: I see, thanks
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• 1192[10:25:25] <maziar> let me ask my question in this way
• 1193[10:25:26] <maziar> i have a log file like : replaced-url
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• 1220[10:45:25] <raidgh0st> Good morning
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• 1222[10:45:49] <raidgh0st> How to i check a directory with multiple directories if there is any rar files?
• 1223[10:45:53] <Iridos> maziar, ops, got distracted… I think I would use perl for that… loop for all words in a line if you want to use more than charge= or use a regexp to match charge=[0-9]* and then sum up line for line
• 1224[10:46:12] <Iridos> you mean recursively?
• 1225[10:46:55] <raidgh0st> Yes. Like to make a list. So i know where to remove rar files if they exist
• 1226[10:47:15] <Iridos> find yourdirectory -name \*.rar
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• 1228[10:47:39] <raidgh0st> if i got /mnt/raid/directory/ with ALOT of directories inside. Would it still find the rar files?
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• 1230[10:47:44] <nkuttler> raidgh0st: or -iname
• 1231[10:48:21] <nkuttler> raidgh0st: why would it not?
• 1232[10:48:42] <raidgh0st> Not that much into linux so, but i give the command a try. Thanks;)
• 1233[10:48:56] <Iridos> raidgh0st, why don't you try it…
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• 1236[10:49:53] <raidgh0st> Iridos: IT WORKS! thanks;)
• 1237[10:49:58] <raidgh0st> Great channel!
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• 1244[10:54:34] <becks`> hi, my VPS has a bad download performance, I noticed "dropped:8304734" (and counting) in ifconfig - could I somehow fix this issue or do I have to talk to my VPS (KVM) hoster?
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• 1253[10:59:35] <bolt> raidgh0st: i'd suggest using -iname, just in case someone named a file .RAR or .Rar or somesuch
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• 1294[11:33:50] <os_> hi, i am installing jessie using netinst mini.iso and internet has disconnected, when i reconnect it, it still hangs at "Retrieving libsmartcols1"
• 1295[11:34:17] <os_> *when i reconnected it
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• 1298[11:34:44] <os_> i am installing it on emulator
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• 1312[11:44:14] <samratulangi> halo
• 1313[11:44:20] <samratulangi> i want to ask something
• 1314[11:44:49] <samratulangi> i accidentally change password in etc/mysql/debian.cnf
• 1315[11:45:03] <samratulangi> after that, i've got an error when install phpmyadmin
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• 1317[11:45:12] <samratulangi> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Setting up phpmyadmin (4:4.6.3-1) ... Determining localhost credentials from /etc/mysql/debian.cnf: succeeded. dbconfig-common: writing config to /etc/dbconfig-common/phpmyadmin.conf granting access to database phpmyadmin for phpmyadmin@localhost: already exists. creating database phpmyadmin: already exists. populating database via sql... error encountered populati
• 1318[11:45:15] <samratulangi> can you help me?
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• 1324[11:47:31] <elvirolo> hi all
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• 1331[11:49:35] <samratulangi> i think no one can help me :(
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• 1334[11:50:48] <samratulangi> "linux for human being" >> just a motto :(
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• 1338[11:51:13] <elvirolo> samratulangi: ?
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• 1340[11:51:44] <samratulangi> i want to ask something
• 1341[11:51:48] <samratulangi> i accidentally change password in etc/mysql/debian.cnf
• 1342[11:51:55] <samratulangi> after that, i've got an error when install phpmyadmin
• 1343[11:52:09] <samratulangi> and nobody can't help me :(
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• 1347[11:52:55] <elvirolo> samratulangi: what's the error?
• 1348[11:53:31] <samratulangi> elvirolo : Setting up phpmyadmin (4:4.6.3-1) ... Determining localhost credentials from /etc/mysql/debian.cnf: succeeded. dbconfig-common: writing config to /etc/dbconfig-common/phpmyadmin.conf granting access to database phpmyadmin for phpmyadmin@localhost: already exists. creating database phpmyadmin: already exists. populating database via sql... error encountered populating database: mysql said: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access de
• 1349[11:54:19] <Pavr> !paste
• 1350[11:54:19] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 1351[11:54:31] <samratulangi> wait
• 1352[11:55:38] <samratulangi> replaced-url
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• 1354[11:56:15] <samratulangi> ^this error came when i install with <apt-get install phpmyadmin>
• 1355[11:56:56] <Pavr> you already have a user called phpmyadmin and a db named phpmyadmin
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• 1357[11:57:25] <Pavr> if you haven't used them before you could remove them and reinstall phpmyadmin
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• 1359[11:58:00] <samratulangi> pavr : i did, 3 times
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• 1361[11:58:21] <samratulangi> remove, purge, remove dpkg, reinstall, restart apache, but
• 1362[11:58:39] <samratulangi> password from : /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
• 1363[11:58:50] <Pavr> you removed the phpmyadmin@localhost user and the phpmyadmin database?
• 1364[11:58:53] <samratulangi> still same, not encrypted, like i changed before
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• 1366[11:59:21] <samratulangi> i used apt-get remove --purge phpmyadmin
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• 1368[11:59:44] <Pavr> you'll have to remove them manually.
• 1369[11:59:57] <samratulangi> how to do that
• 1370[11:59:58] <samratulangi> ?
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• 1372[12:01:06] <Pavr> replaced-url
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• 1374[12:01:28] <samratulangi> thanks Pavr, le me try :)
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• 1389[12:06:56] <marekw2143> hi, do you think debian 8.6 with xfce is good choice for "home computer" ?
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• 1393[12:07:26] <steakwipe> that would probably depend whose home we're talking about
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• 1396[12:07:37] <elvirolo> marekw2143: sounds good to me
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• 1398[12:08:08] <marekw2143> elvirolo, well I 've just installed OpenSUSE with KDE
• 1399[12:08:13] <at0m> marekw2143: and you can always install multiple desktop environments if you like and stick to one you prefer
• 1400[12:08:14] <marekw2143> and see some artifacts there
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• 1404[12:08:40] <elvirolo> Debian is very stable, maybe not as user-friendly as OpenSUSE
• 1405[12:08:50] <elvirolo> (although that depends)
• 1406[12:08:54] <at0m> why not install xfce on your suse, or try to fix your problems
• 1407[12:09:15] <marekw2143> I'd like following: HP printer work, no problem with wireless connection, Window Manager work ok
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• 1410[12:09:53] <at0m> marekw2143: then research and try to fix that wifi and printer.
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• 1413[12:10:17] <at0m> easier than reinstall
• 1414[12:10:30] <armin> elvirolo: i found debian to be WAY more stable than opensuse, even with systemd.
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• 1416[12:11:05] <marekw2143> at0m, hmm, I've installed gnome via packet manager
• 1417[12:11:10] <marekw2143> thought gnome will work ok, but it doesn't
• 1418[12:11:17] <armin> fwiw, i also found devuan to be more stable than debian. sorry to disappoint, but that's my impression.
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• 1421[12:11:51] <armin> debian's stability seems to be quite terrible since adopting systemd.
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• 1423[12:12:11] <unborn> not on my end armin
• 1424[12:12:30] <elvirolo> armin: mine neither. I'm very happy with systemd
• 1425[12:12:31] <unborn> is most stable os I even used.. even more stable then gentoo
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• 1427[12:12:56] <armin> good for you two, and i seriously hope all the best and stability for you, no matter the init system. :)
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• 1429[12:13:27] <han-solo> :}
• 1430[12:13:34] <marekw2143> at0m, I'll give suse a try with xfcd
• 1431[12:13:37] <marekw2143> *xfce
• 1432[12:13:47] <armin> i've had a terrible time with systemd, both in job and privately, and migrated all my critical systems to voidlinux, devuan, or FreeBSD, because of it.
• 1433[12:13:50] <vkolchev> is 8.7 point release today?
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• 1435[12:14:00] <armin> and i seriously miss some aspects of debian, yes.
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• 1439[12:17:07] <marekw2143> at0m, but do you think it's worth having openSUse with xfce ? are there any benefits of having openSuse vs debian xfce for "home usage" ?
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• 1443[12:17:43] <heston> armin, what kind of issues did you run into exactly?
• 1444[12:17:44] <marekw2143> I think that support is greater in debian community
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• 1446[12:18:51] <marekw2143> one more question : when I'll download "live cd" from replaced-url
• 1447[12:19:16] <heston> considering the backing support from ubuntu, i dont think there's a bigger community
• 1448[12:19:22] <armin> heston: all sort of, systems hanging on reboots, boot loops because of a typo in fstab (only resolvable by using a live usb stick), and general annoyances about a majority of new concepts introduced, like journal in general, etc.
• 1449[12:20:22] <armin> heston: issues with systemd-resolved, for example "ping gateway" works but "host gateway" doesn't, issues with timesyncd, oh, there's some, really. :)
• 1450[12:21:09] <armin> heston: things i was easily able to do with old school init-scripts that gave me major headaches with systemd, problems i was able to solve within 20min by writing 100 lines of bash that took me days or even weeks to solve with systemd, etc.
• 1451[12:21:24] <heston> are you talking about filesystem journaling ?
• 1452[12:21:31] <armin> no.
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• 1455[12:21:49] <heston> and I mean fstab is pretty critical
• 1456[12:22:09] <armin> so?
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• 1459[12:22:35] <mojojojo> hello world
• 1460[12:22:40] <armin> we had huge displays on the walls in our central main station showing systemd reboots hanging for MONTHS.
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• 1462[12:23:05] <mojojojo> I have a mini problem :)
• 1463[12:23:24] <armin> (and of course that's never systemd's fault and ALWAYS related to incompetent administrators *shrugs*)
• 1464[12:23:42] <armin> mojojojo: hello. don't ask to ask, just ask. :)
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• 1467[12:23:45] <mojojojo> I installed yesterday zimbra on my server, but can't resolve dns 'ip => domain.com'
• 1468[12:23:46] <heston> were you able to find out the exact problem?
• 1469[12:24:08] <mojojojo> I use dnsmasq, but doesnt work
• 1470[12:24:20] <marekw2143> debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso - do when installing system from that file, installer will ask for which window manager to install ?
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• 1472[12:25:05] <vkolchev> marekw2143, yes, you will come to the point when it will ask what DE/WM you want on your system
• 1473[12:25:23] <armin> marekw2143: probably not. if you want full control over what WM/DE you're going to have installed, install your system without a graphical desktop environment, and install whatever your fancy from the console, after your install.
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• 1475[12:25:34] <armin> vkolchev: uh?
• 1476[12:25:55] <vkolchev> armin, does not installer allow to choose DE to install? I installed mine and have several choices
• 1477[12:26:37] <armin> vkolchev: interesting. could be because i didn't choose the "graphical desktop environment" menu entry for years, not sure.
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• 1479[12:27:28] <vkolchev> armin, me too, didn't log the installation, however I remember installer to provide me choice of Gnome, KDE, Xfce and Other (serveral other options if you choose Other)
• 1480[12:27:33] <picknick> marekw2143: use the netinstall iso(replaced-url
• 1481[12:27:56] <armin> heston: well, as an experienced systems engineer with over a decade of professional experience i'm able to solve problems, even systemd related ones, yes. that doesn't necessarily justify systemd for me, no. :)
• 1482[12:28:26] <armin> vkolchev: interesting. going to try that again somewhen soonish. ;)
• 1483[12:28:51] <marekw2143> picknick, unfortunatelly PC doesn't seem to have wireless so I won't have net connection during isntallation
• 1484[12:29:10] <armin> fwiw, the desktop environment that most of the time will get you going but doesn't clutter your installation in any way is xfce, for me.
• 1485[12:29:11] <heston> armin, I wasnt questioning your ability, just curious what the exact issue with systemd that was causing your systems to hang for months
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• 1487[12:29:15] <vkolchev> marekw2143, picknick is right, you don't need to download whole DVD, as probably a good bunch of packages on DVD will have to be updated after installation, so it is better to go with netinstall or at least with CD version, so that you do not need to fetch everything at once
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• 1489[12:29:47] <picknick> marekw2143: okay, then you have to pick an iso with your preferred DE, the debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso has gnome on it
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• 1491[12:30:01] <marekw2143> ok
• 1492[12:30:12] <heston> I also really like xfce. It's very lightweight and simple
• 1493[12:30:25] <mojojojo> I have multiple ip fixe, when I would like connect this server, I can directly use ip, without problem.. but When I ping an external server "example ovh server" I have my router IP? its normal
• 1494[12:30:26] <han-solo> what about mate?
• 1495[12:30:30] <marekw2143> and do installing from CD, then upgrading has some disadvantages other than time required?
• 1496[12:30:41] <marekw2143> that is system stability is worse then ?
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• 1498[12:30:48] <heston> mate is almost the same but I found it wasnt as stable
• 1499[12:30:57] <heston> might have been because im using a backport though
• 1500[12:31:14] <han-solo> hmm
• 1501[12:31:21] <armin> heston: different ones. "A start/stop job is running for ... (no limit)" was the most common i've seen, along with general bugs in systemd. another annoyance was the possibility to completely break the pid1 process so not even a reboot would work anymore by simply calling systemd-notify.
• 1502[12:31:27] <armin> heston: here's a good example: replaced-url
• 1503[12:31:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1504[12:31:32] <vkolchev> marekw2143, no disadvantages, really, only time. system can be updated by a simple command (between point releases)
• 1505[12:31:47] <abrotman> armin: last modified 2014 .. hardly a good example
• 1506[12:31:57] <mojojojo> for ingoing connection, IP adress of server, but when they is an outgoing connection, it use router IP?
• 1507[12:32:03] <mojojojo> it's normal
• 1508[12:32:04] <mojojojo> ?
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• 1510[12:32:05] <armin> well, google for "systemd reboot hangs", there are hundreds.
• 1511[12:32:28] <abrotman> armin: google for "Linux reboot hangs" .. hundreds, google for "Windows reboot hangs" .. that's so vague
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• 1513[12:33:09] <armin> for the "crashing systemd with just systemd-notify" thing: replaced-url
• 1514[12:33:31] <armin> abrotman: of course it's vague as it reflects my experience over a couple of years.
• 1515[12:33:44] <abrotman> you have vague experiencs?
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• 1518[12:34:06] <armin> abrotman: if you've been happy with systemd that's great for you. personally speaking it drove me away from debian.
• 1519[12:34:07] <abrotman> armin: Do you need help with Debian?
• 1520[12:34:17] <armin> abrotman: no.
• 1521[12:34:25] <abrotman> armin: So you're just here to troll others?
• 1522[12:34:32] <armin> abrotman: i'm here to help others, actually.
• 1523[12:34:43] <abrotman> by what? showing them how to use vague google searches?
• 1524[12:34:44] <armin> abrotman: also i find your attitude pretty annoying.
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• 1526[12:35:21] <abrotman> armin: Funny, I find your "help" to be useless. Trying to explain to users that you had an issue with systemd is not helpful
• 1527[12:35:32] <armin> abrotman: welcome to my ignore list.
• 1528[12:35:34] <abrotman> Lots of people use systemd with no issues
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• 1533[12:36:38] <mojojojo> for ingoing connection, IP adress of server, but when they is an outgoing connection, it use router IP, it's normal?
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• 1535[12:37:17] <abrotman> it's a router or a server?
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• 1538[12:37:45] <mojojojo> abrotman, server behind router
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• 1541[12:38:29] <mojojojo> multiple server with ip fixe, connected to my mikrotik
• 1542[12:38:30] <abrotman> mojojojo: so, your question doesn't make a ton of sense. what do you mean it uses the router IP?
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• 1545[12:39:55] <mojojojo> abrotman: example when I would like to connect to my server, I can use his fixed ip , Ok, but when I ping from this server, I see router IP
• 1546[12:40:15] <abrotman> ping what from the server?
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• 1548[12:40:30] <mojojojo> yes where the ip is fixe
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• 1550[12:40:40] <abrotman> mojojojo: you can use "-I" with ping to select the interface you use
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• 1552[12:41:07] <mojojojo> abrotman: I use juste one interface
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• 1554[12:41:20] <abrotman> mojojojo: perhaps you should show us, use paste.debian.net
• 1555[12:41:33] <sillyslux> mojojojo there's also a chance to get help in your native language
• 1556[12:41:44] <marekw2143> ok, is 10 gb enough for system partition ?
• 1557[12:41:45] <abrotman> French?
• 1558[12:42:02] <abrotman> marekw2143: there can be many system partitions, which directories will be on this partition?
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• 1562[12:43:41] <marekw2143> abrotman, all except home, tmp var
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• 1564[12:44:12] <abrotman> marekw2143: and what kind of system will this be?
• 1565[12:44:24] <marekw2143> debian 8.6, for home usage ;)
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• 1567[12:44:47] <marekw2143> jus question - install with LVM or not ? what's better ?
• 1568[12:44:56] <abrotman> with LVM
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• 1571[12:45:16] <marekw2143> abrotman, ok but why ? :)
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• 1573[12:45:42] <mojojojo> abrotman: replaced-url
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• 1576[12:46:03] <abrotman> marekw2143: because you can resize/add/remove space later
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• 1578[12:46:13] <mojojojo> sillylux, I'm sorry my english isn't very good
• 1579[12:46:24] <abrotman> mojojojo: francais?
• 1580[12:46:25] <mojojojo> I speak french
• 1581[12:46:29] <mojojojo> yes
• 1582[12:46:31] <sillyslux> et bien
• 1583[12:46:38] <sillyslux> tres bien
• 1584[12:46:43] <heston> isnt it true that you cant shrink LVM partitions though
• 1585[12:47:00] <abrotman> !fr
• 1586[12:47:00] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
• 1587[12:47:08] <marekw2143> abrotman, thanks
• 1588[12:47:17] <abrotman> heston: that's not true, you can shrink them, it's just more difficult
• 1589[12:47:56] <abrotman> or more of a process, not so much difficult
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• 1592[12:48:45] <mojojojo> abrotman, thanks
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• 1603[12:56:15] <marekw2143> is libre office newest version available on debian ?
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• 1605[12:57:19] <abrotman> marekw2143: in Jessie?
• 1606[12:57:23] <TomTomTosch> yes, 5.2.4 is in jessie-backports.
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• 1608[12:57:48] <marekw2143> uff, thats super :)
• 1609[12:57:52] <TomTomTosch> ... which is the latest libreoffice stable release.
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• 1611[12:58:32] <marekw2143> uff, that's super :)
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• 1613[12:58:42] <marekw2143> ok, I've instlled debian
• 1614[12:58:48] <marekw2143> can I resize / partition size now ?
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• 1618[12:59:43] <abrotman> why didn't you just make it hte size you wanted when you installed?
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• 1624[13:01:53] <marekw2143> didn't know how
• 1625[13:01:57] <mojojojo> marekw2143, I recommand you to reinstall :)
• 1626[13:02:05] <marekw2143> ok
• 1627[13:02:11] <marekw2143> but how to set it during installation?
• 1628[13:02:17] <mojojojo> it possible, but not easy
• 1629[13:02:53] <marekw2143> what should I do?
• 1630[13:03:04] <marekw2143> I didn't see there any options to do so
• 1631[13:03:08] <abrotman> !ig
• 1632[13:03:09] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
• 1633[13:03:46] <sarazil> Morning all, anyone willing to help me try get some Radeon Rx 480s working?
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• 1635[13:04:33] <sarazil> I'm currently failing to get meta compiled.
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• 1642[13:06:56] * abrotman thought everyone was supposed to use the radeon driver now/
• 1643[13:06:57] <abrotman> ?
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• 1645[13:07:43] <sarazil> The non-free drivers? I tried installing them, but the system is still reporting it's using the llvm pipe
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• 1647[13:08:10] <sarazil> Unless I've missed something that should be obvious. I'm good at that.
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• 1653[13:09:51] <picknick> sarazil: got the latest kernel from backports?
• 1654[13:10:37] <sarazil> I recompiled the kernel according to instructions at Unwanted private messages? /umode +R | Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg
• 1655[13:10:40] <sarazil> ]
• 1656[13:10:42] <sarazil> 11:57 -!- Irssi: #debian: Total of 1654 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices,
• 1657[13:10:45] <sarazil> 1652 normal]
• 1658[13:10:47] <sarazil> 11:57 -!- Home page for #debian: replaced-url
• 1659[13:10:50] <sarazil> 11:57 -!- Channel #debian created Fri Feb 9 23:16:24 2001
• 1660[13:10:52] <sarazil> 11:57 -!- Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 1 secs
• 1661[13:10:55] <sarazil> 11:57 < abrotman> marekw2143: in Jessie?
• 1662[13:10:57] <sarazil> 11:57 < TomTomTosch> yes, 5.2.4 is in jessie-backports.
• 1663[13:11:00] <sarazil> 11:57 -!- gh0st [~gh0st@a89-154-148-238.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #debian
• 1664[13:11:02] <sarazil> 11:57 < marekw2143> uff, thats super :)
• 1665[13:11:05] <sarazil> 11:57 < TomTomTosch> ... which is the latest libreoffice stable release.
• 1666[13:11:06] <picknick> D:
• 1667[13:11:07] <sarazil> 11:58 -!- mode/#debian [+l 1670] by debhelper
• 1668[13:11:10] <sarazil> 11:58 < marekw2143> uff, that's super :)
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• 1673[13:11:17] <sarazil> 11:58 < marekw2143> ok, I've instlled debian
• 1674[13:11:20] <sarazil> 11:58 < marekw2143> can I resize / partition size now ?
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• 1679[13:11:33] <abrotman> sarazil: the +q will go away in a few minutes
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• 1688[13:16:55] <sarazil> Reay sorry about that, I was trying to paste "replaced-url
• 1689[13:17:00] <TuxCrazy> hello, I am a beginner in Linux. Have tried a few distros. Need some suggestions and opinions on choosing a suitable distro for my new laptop I bought yesterday. I know from the internet and other sources that Debian is one of the oldest and more stable linux distros. What are your thoughts on some distros like Linux Mint? Are they stable and secure? Because they too are based on Debian and present themselves as more beginner
• 1690[13:17:01] <TuxCrazy> friendly than some other distros and as an effective replacement for MS Windows.
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• 1693[13:18:22] <abrotman> TuxCrazy: we can't really comment on Mint, this channel is about Debian. I have Debian running on a fairly new laptop, and it's been quite stable
• 1694[13:19:09] <TuxCrazy> Yes. No doubt about that. Debian has to be the most stable distro.
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• 1696[13:20:49] <Dreaman> TuxCrazy not debian
• 1697[13:21:09] <Dreaman> TuxCrazy laptop is
• 1698[13:21:10] <TuxCrazy> I needed general opinion about the derivatives of Debian like Mint and some other.
• 1699[13:21:23] <Dreaman> mint yes
• 1700[13:21:25] <abrotman> TuxCrazy: you might get better answers for a question like thiat in ##linux
• 1701[13:21:27] <heston> mint has a bad reputation
• 1702[13:21:29] <Dreaman> begginers
• 1703[13:21:31] <abrotman> Dreaman: this is #debian, please stop
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• 1706[13:22:10] <Dreaman> abrotman now laptop new user linux use debian
• 1707[13:22:20] <Dreaman> i use linux 10 yers
• 1708[13:22:30] <Dreaman> and not conf debian
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• 1710[13:22:41] <abrotman> Dreaman: Good, this is still #debian, we try not to comment on other distros
• 1711[13:22:54] <Dreaman> ubuntu is debian
• 1712[13:22:57] <abrotman> no
• 1713[13:23:01] <Dreaman> mint is ubuntu
• 1714[13:23:02] <abrotman> That is definitely not true
• 1715[13:23:18] <abrotman> Dreaman: Please stop
• 1716[13:23:20] <frikinz> TuxCrazy: I use debian on my laptops for ~10years. Nobody can decide for yourself, try a distro every month.
• 1717[13:23:23] <Dreaman> ok
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• 1719[13:23:49] <abrotman> TuxCrazy: I've been using Debian on laptops for over 15 years. Mostly various Thinkpads
• 1720[13:23:59] <TuxCrazy> I have used a few of them by creating live usbs. Have tried at least 5 to 6 of them.
• 1721[13:24:10] <frikinz> Asus, HP, thinkpads laptops for me
• 1722[13:24:33] <TuxCrazy> I bought an Asus X Series laptop yesterday.
• 1723[13:24:50] <TuxCrazy> I has only FreeDOS installed in it.
• 1724[13:25:02] <frikinz> TuxCrazy: don't stop at the first problem you encounter, most can be solved. As I said, you shouldn't do distro hoping, try at least a month each
• 1725[13:25:19] <abrotman> and probably do your best to keep /home/ on a separate partition
• 1726[13:25:45] <TheFocus> any ideas where i can find a defauly lxpanel config file... my taskbar is buggered.
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• 1730[13:26:18] <TuxCrazy> ok
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• 1733[13:30:11] <picknick> TuxCrazy: replaced-url
• 1734[13:30:17] <abrotman> ...
• 1735[13:31:25] <TuxCrazy> picknick, as a beginner in Linux, I need such inputs and info to understand this Linux world.
• 1736[13:31:37] <frikinz> TuxCrazy: also the wiki is a good starting point. Just found that: replaced-url
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• 1739[13:32:07] <newcoder> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory , why do I get this error in terminal?
• 1740[13:33:11] <TuxCrazy> Can I install Debian Stable 8 Jessie on my Asus laptop which is of X Series?
• 1741[13:33:29] <TuxCrazy> Without having to search for any additional drivers?
• 1742[13:33:32] <abrotman> TuxCrazy: you'll have to try it, but I'd recommend asking for the firmware images
• 1743[13:33:37] <abrotman> dpkg: tell TuxCrazy about firmware installer
• 1744[13:33:51] <abrotman> sorry, wrong one
• 1745[13:33:56] <abrotman> dpkg: tell TuxCrazy about firmware images
• 1746[13:33:56] <Dreaman> abrotman ubuntu is not debian
• 1747[13:34:00] <Dreaman> realy
• 1748[13:34:23] <abrotman> Yes, I know this, Ubuntu is not Debian,
• 1749[13:34:25] <TuxCrazy> thanks a lot.
• 1750[13:34:28] <abrotman> I think we can move on now ..
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• 1757[13:37:52] <sarazil> Now that I've gotten past my shame... what was that about the latest kernel to get the RX 480 working? As I said, all I could find, instruction wise, was regarding AMDGPU.
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• 1759[13:40:20] <newcoder> Why did I get that error?
• 1760[13:40:20] <abrotman> sarazil: I think someone was suggesting you should get the kernel from jessie-backports
• 1761[13:40:44] <abrotman> dpkg: tell sarazil about bdo kernel
• 1762[13:40:47] <sarazil> I'll see what I can find! That sounds like it.
• 1763[13:40:57] <sarazil> bdo kernel... To google!
• 1764[13:40:57] <abrotman> sarazil: see what the bot told you
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• 1767[13:43:22] <J1sy> Hello i am quite happy to have found debian but my current situation puts me down, i hate win10 but i am forced to use it. I chose debian to escape ,what IDE SHOUld i use as to do my programing, i am an ICT STUDENT USING VISUAL BASIC 2008 help
• 1768[13:43:22] <J1sy> please
• 1769[13:44:25] <abrotman> I'm confused, you want something in Debian to help you code VB?
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• 1772[13:44:58] <J1sy> I want to move to debian
• 1773[13:44:59] <JPT> Well, there is this mono project that might help you out. replaced-url
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• 1775[13:45:00] <heston> unfortunately you need windows to code visual basic
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• 1779[13:45:38] <J1sy> What software will be an alternative
• 1780[13:45:38] <frikinz> Virtualbox?
• 1781[13:45:58] <newcoder> J1sy: Why don't you use windows for visual basic?
• 1782[13:46:05] <newcoder> That will be good
• 1783[13:46:13] <newcoder> Visual studio 2008 or 2013 or 2015
• 1784[13:46:22] <elvirolo> Which file do I have to edit to change the NFS mountd port in Debian?
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• 1786[13:46:36] <J1sy> Vb2008
• 1787[13:46:39] <abrotman> elvirolo: /etc/fstab probably
• 1788[13:46:46] <JPT> J1sy: There is even an IDE that might fit the mono project: replaced-url
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• 1790[13:47:01] <elvirolo> abrotman: sorry, I meant server-side
• 1791[13:47:17] <heston> yeah but his target OS probably needs to be windows
• 1792[13:47:30] <heston> if he's submitting his work
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• 1794[13:48:01] <frikinz> J1sy: what do you use VB for ?
• 1795[13:48:43] <J1sy> Programing mostly-app development
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• 1798[13:49:29] <picknick> J1sy: are you required to use VB?
• 1799[13:49:42] <abrotman> elvirolo: /etc/exports IIRC
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• 1801[13:50:27] <elvirolo> abrotman: no I think that's just the mount points
• 1802[13:50:44] <elvirolo> abrotman: the file I'm looking for is /etc/sysconfig/nfs on CentOS
• 1803[13:50:49] <J1sy> Does debian come with wine
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• 1806[13:51:43] <heston> elvirolo, did you check the man page
• 1807[13:52:17] <frikinz> J1sy: replaced-url
• 1808[13:52:21] <GPenguin> , wine
• 1809[13:52:23] <TomTomTosch> J1sy: yes, but visual studio hast mostly garbage ratings on winehq
• 1810[13:53:06] <frikinz> mostly-app development. mmmhhhh ah
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• 1812[13:54:08] <abrotman> elvirolo: you want NFS run-time options?
• 1813[13:54:16] <miczac> Hi, I'm pondering over possibilties to store and switch between different system configurations. E.g. networking. I naively put a git repo into /etc, which basically works - using branches as configs - but it's flawed by design, since updates changing files in /etc also required a commit. It's for testing and teaching purposes.
• 1814[13:54:36] <abrotman> elvirolo: maybe in /etc/default/ ?
• 1815[13:54:45] <frikinz> miczac: etckeeper
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• 1818[13:55:14] <frikinz> miczac: replaced-url
• 1819[13:55:39] <J1sy> picknick the college implimented it if there is an alternative in linux i will take it
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• 1821[13:55:42] <frikinz> Ther's an app for that
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• 1826[13:58:42] <picknick> J1sy: sounds like you're SOL, godspeed o/
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• 1832[14:01:38] <J1sy> ?
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• 1834[14:02:07] <GPenguin> programs are programs not apps
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• 1839[14:04:55] <J1sy> picknick
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• 1842[14:05:23] <J1sy> Programs
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• 1850[14:09:01] <picknick> J1sy: the compiler for Visual Basic is Microsoft Visual Studio, which kinda only works on windows(no surprise there). You can edit your programs on linux, but if you want to compile your programs and run them, then you're gonna have to use win10
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• 1854[14:09:53] <picknick> J1sy: this is the caveat of using proprietary programming languages
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• 1856[14:11:42] <J1sy> Why on earth is it that i am drawn to win10 when i want leave windows
• 1857[14:12:32] <samratulangi> anybody know what error is : ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
• 1858[14:12:45] <samratulangi> i've installed mysql-server
• 1859[14:12:57] <samratulangi> and try to login on mysql
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• 1861[14:13:11] <samratulangi> but this error made me stuck
• 1862[14:13:31] <GPenguin> samratulangi: is mysql running actually?
• 1863[14:13:59] <GPenguin> and is the port open?
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• 1872[14:18:06] <supi> hal
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• 1886[14:21:35] <supi> mirgeh
• 1887[14:21:41] <elvirolo> heston: can't find anything :(
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• 1900[14:29:14] <heston> elvirolo, have you checked replaced-url
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• 1903[14:29:47] <samratulangi> Gpenguin : yes it is, i've restarted it and still active
• 1904[14:30:14] <samratulangi> but there is no 'mysqld/mysqld.sock' on /var/run/
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• 1917[14:35:00] <cfox> hi
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• 1931[14:41:37] <ImUs3r> amd64 vs arm64, which is better?
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• 1934[14:42:41] <manuelschneid3r> Regarding the FHS is there a valid ~/.local/lib folder?
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• 1936[14:42:55] <miczac> frikinz: thx will look at it!
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• 1938[14:43:14] <ImUs3r> amd64 vs arm64, which is better?
• 1939[14:43:23] <tx> red or blue
• 1940[14:43:25] <tx> which is better
• 1941[14:43:29] <missmbob> manuelschneid3r: yes
• 1942[14:43:38] <ImUs3r> tx: what you mean?
• 1943[14:43:59] <tx> What I meant was, my question is just as meaningful as what you asked.
• 1944[14:44:01] <manuelschneid3r> Or actually I need to know if there are other valid places to install software having the typical folder structure (lib/<appname>/, share/<appname>, bin/<appname>)?
• 1945[14:44:02] <tx> Better for what?
• 1946[14:44:24] <manuelschneid3r> … besides /usr and /usr/local
• 1947[14:44:32] <ImUs3r> which distro must download among amd64 vs arm64? tx ?
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• 1950[14:44:47] <tx> ImUs3r: what CPU are you going to be using?
• 1951[14:44:55] <ImUs3r> i don’t know
• 1952[14:44:59] <ImUs3r> i3
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• 1954[14:45:03] <ImUs3r> or i3
• 1955[14:45:05] <tx> then use the amd64 one.
• 1956[14:45:07] <ImUs3r> how can i know it?
• 1957[14:45:15] <tx> ARM64 is for ARM CPUs.
• 1958[14:45:31] <tx> They aren't better than the other, they are just different downloads for different CPU architectures.
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• 1960[14:45:43] <ImUs3r> amd is cheap one? i think that my cpu is intel.
• 1961[14:45:58] <tx> amd64 just means "for 64-bit AMD and Intel CPUs"
• 1962[14:46:04] <TomTomTosch> !amd64
• 1963[14:46:05] <dpkg> amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
• 1964[14:46:12] <manuelschneid3r> missmbob, will the dynamic linker check ~/.local/lib or do I have to set LD_PATHs?
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• 1966[14:46:29] <tx> I think I'll need to spend a couple of months learning all of dpkg's factoids lol
• 1967[14:46:35] <ImUs3r> thanks tm and dpkg
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• 1979[14:52:27] <shurdeek> Hello
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• 1984[14:54:43] <bolt> I'm erasing some old USB sticks before tossing them in the recycler, and I find that on the smaller sticks (flashback ahead) of 128MB or less, both dd and pv will instantly fill some buffer or another, report being done, and then hang for a minute while the data is actually flushed, before exiting. Is there a way to force sync writes when doing this sort of thing? "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb" I tried adding "fsync", but it still happens.
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• 1986[14:55:14] <manuelschneid3r> Sorry I have to ask again since my question is quite cluttered. Regarding the FHS is there a valid ~/.local/lib folder? Or actually I need to know if there are other valid places to install software having the typical folder structure (lib/<appname>/, share/<appname>, bin/<appname>) besides /usr and /usr/local?
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• 1988[14:57:42] <marco0987> !list
• 1989[14:57:43] <dpkg> marco0987: vedi replaced-url
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• 1994[15:00:20] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
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• 2003[15:06:29] <xXEoflaOEXx> Will installing XFCE on Debian in VM give me the actual design of XFCE or just the modified design of XFCE?
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• 2005[15:06:54] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 2013[15:07:45] <GPenguin> raynold: aint it nie
• 2014[15:07:48] <GPenguin> nice
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• 2019[15:10:52] <abrotman> xXEoflaOEXx: I have no idea what that means, seems like something you'd try
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• 2021[15:11:17] <xXEoflaOEXx> abrotman: OK. I will see the design once it has been installed.
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• 2029[15:16:02] <hid3> Greetings everyone. I'm running Wheezy. I found one package which I use (mpd) in wheezy-backports. What is the guide to easily update it on my system to the backported one?
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• 2032[15:17:04] <missmbob> hid3: replaced-url
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• 2035[15:20:34] <hid3> thanks, will take a look and try...
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• 2047[15:25:52] <sarazil> So I've borked my install twice trying to install the backports kernel... How can I confirm I got the right flavour? uname -r reports amd64, but that keeps panicking.
• 2048[15:26:27] <teraflops> sarazil: flavour?
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• 2051[15:27:08] <sarazil> If you do apt-cache search linux-image, you can see the various kernels available.
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• 2053[15:27:38] <sarazil> as indicated on wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel
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• 2059[15:34:26] <sarazil> Gonna try reupgrade it once more... see what happens.
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• 2062[15:34:34] <GPenguin> is there a way to load the dang flash plugin in firefox other than restarting it?
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• 2066[15:39:17] <GPenguin> ah, does not matter. flash from jessie is too old
• 2067[15:39:42] <GPenguin> .v flashplugin non-free
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• 2069[15:41:20] <TomTomTosch> the package version has no meaning. the actual plugin is downloaded from the adobe servers.
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• 2072[15:42:35] <sarazil> :( more kernel panics.
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• 2074[15:42:54] <GPenguin> i ran "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" but that does no update
• 2075[15:43:17] <missmbob> !flash
• 2076[15:43:17] <dpkg> Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. replaced-url
• 2077[15:43:22] <missmbob> GPenguin: see that bug
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• 2079[15:45:07] <Roland-> hi folks, any lvm experts?
• 2080[15:45:26] <GPenguin> thanks missmbob and TomTomTosch
• 2081[15:45:36] <Roland-> I was thinking of making a ramdrive as lvm cache, seems like a good idea, works fine, however on reboot the uuid for the ramdrive changes, vg will not load
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• 2093[15:50:24] <mifritscher> is there a way to "import" Ubuntu launchpad bugs into the debian bugtracker? Many of the problems I've in Ubuntu 16.04 I've also on Debian (stretch).
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• 2096[15:52:25] <sarazil> How would I install the previous version of a package? I'd like to try and install linux 4.7 instead of 4.8 and see if that can boot.
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• 2099[15:53:38] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
• 2100[15:54:05] <sarazil> Guessing the repos only have the latest versions then?
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• 2105[15:56:13] <TomTomTosch> depends. but usually yes. note that linux-image-amd64 is only a meta-package that helps installing the right kernel. the package you are looking for is probably something like linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.*-amd64
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• 2108[15:56:42] <sarazil> Ah hah! Thanks TomTomTosch, that sounds exactly like what I needed to know.
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• 2113[15:57:52] <xDDDEDEE> Wzup brothers! =D Anyone that can tip me abouta video editing program in debian? Easy2Learn for basic shit is what I seek. Any shred of information is highly appriciated. Thank you in advance.
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• 2127[16:09:54] <missmbob> xDDDEDEE: pitivi is easy and basic
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• 2178[16:32:56] <alexxey> Hi. My CPU is being utillized ~100%, but I can't find the process utillizing CPU.
• 2179[16:33:14] <alexxey> What further measures should be taken to locate the process?
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• 2182[16:33:57] <alexxey> I've tried htop with 'hide kernel threads' unchecked, all processes shown has low CPU usage.
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• 2185[16:34:39] <hetOrakel> hi all, i've got a strange problem. I installed a fresh new debian 8.6 from dvd (base install) and can ssh into this machine. Normally when i want to restart the network i start a screen session and from within screen i restart the network. However this is not working.
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• 2187[16:35:22] <hetOrakel> The connection is lost (which i expect) and the network is not starting.... I have to restart it from the console....
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• 2199[16:40:02] <GPenguin> alexxey: i am like a beginner myself, but what happens to the utilization when you pull the ethernet cable?
• 2200[16:40:36] <GPenguin> alexxey: or is an I/O blocking?
• 2201[16:41:14] <zykotick9> alexxey: how do you know you cpu has high usage? <- if htop doesn't show this?
• 2202[16:41:23] <hetOrakel> sorrry, my bad.... i forgot the auto eth0 :-(
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• 2204[16:41:39] <alexxey> GPenguin, Thanks. I'm going to test this, might be offline for a few moment.
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• 2206[16:42:30] <alexxey> zykotick9, htop indeed shows high CPU usage(sum) but all processes has low usage.
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• 2209[16:43:10] <alexxey> Also CPU core temp is very high, implying that it's indeed under load.
• 2210[16:43:15] <mifritscher> hmpf - SMTP send failure: {'submit@bugs.debian.org': (451, b'sorry, only 5 reports per hour for submission')}. ^^
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• 2212[16:43:23] <zykotick9> alexxey: ahhh... htop can sort based on cpu%
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• 2215[16:43:51] <alexxey> zykotick9, Yeah, in fact I've already done that.
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• 2218[16:45:22] <xDDDEDEE> missmbob: Tyvm for the information my brothers, I will have a look at it.
• 2219[16:45:27] <xDDDEDEE> brother*
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• 2221[16:46:17] <alexxey> GPenguin, I've tried unplugging the ethernet cable but unfortunately it doesn't have any effect ;(
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• 2225[16:46:34] <GPenguin> alexxey: was just an idea
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• 2228[16:46:50] <alexxey> GPenguin, Thanks anyway :-)
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• 2230[16:46:55] <GPenguin> :)
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• 2235[16:49:55] <beatsteak> Hi guys, I have a question. When starting my KDE4 desktop, I got an error message that $HOME is full. 'df' however shows that it's not and actually no partition is close to being full. I can start a secure shell, and here's the output of the 'touch' command and of 'df -h'. replaced-url
• 2236[16:50:38] <tx> I think you're out of inodes my friend.
• 2237[16:51:06] <beatsteak> I thought so, too. But how do I get more inodes? Or, how can I check?
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• 2239[16:51:09] <tx> `find / -xdev -printf '%h\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -k 1 -n`
• 2240[16:51:17] <tx> find directories with lots of inodes
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• 2244[16:53:36] <beatsteak> mmmh, there's one with 1750
• 2245[16:53:50] <tx> not a lot..
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• 2247[16:54:09] <tx> what about `du --inodes -xS`
• 2248[16:54:11] <tx> in /
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• 2251[16:55:07] <mifritscher> beatsteak: fsck shows the inode-count
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• 2253[16:55:22] <tx> does it show inode usage
• 2254[16:55:24] <tx> or just a figure
• 2255[16:55:41] <tx> "x inodes used" isn't suuper helpful
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• 2259[16:56:58] <mifritscher> a "fsck -n -f" works also on a mounted
• 2260[16:56:59] * zykotick9 thinks "df -i" might be helpful?
• 2261[16:57:05] <hn7xakns> Hi there, someone can help me with UEFI on MAC
• 2262[16:57:14] <mifritscher> it gives only /dev/mapper/1tb-debian: 573235/2441216 Dateien (0.2% nicht zusammenhängend), 5072920/9764864 Blöcke
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• 2264[16:57:34] <mifritscher> ah, df -i is a usefull command for this ;)
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• 2267[16:58:56] <beatsteak> Why would a friendly guy like me run out of inodes?
• 2268[16:59:04] <beatsteak> Is 15k a lot?
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• 2270[16:59:47] <beatsteak> I found an encrypted image which hogs many inodes
• 2271[16:59:54] <tx> I am currently using 14,721,024
• 2272[17:00:00] <rizonz> guys why is the php 7.0 bin for fpm called php-fpm7.0 sintead of php7.0-fpm it's very annoying
• 2273[17:00:27] <tx> er no scratch that
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• 2277[17:00:35] <tx> 1,787,733
• 2278[17:00:36] <teraflops> beatsteak: maybe you have dir/dirs with an insane amount of small files?
• 2279[17:00:43] <hid3> Hello everyone. I am trying to rebuild a package. Where do I find the src.deb packages on the debian mirror? using 'apt-get source <packagename>' doesn't do anything useful...
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• 2282[17:01:18] <beatsteak> Well, 'df -i' shows it's not the inodes
• 2283[17:01:26] <rizonz> who is packaging php ?
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• 2287[17:02:15] <beatsteak> teraflops, it's an average desktop computer
• 2288[17:02:15] <beatsteak> teraflops, I don't think I have an unusual amount of small files
• 2289[17:02:27] <tx> beatsteak: run that command I sent you before
• 2290[17:02:28] <tx> but in /home
• 2291[17:02:35] <tx> I did not realize it is mounted separately
• 2292[17:02:45] <tx> it doesn't traverse other filesystems
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• 2294[17:03:08] <beatsteak> No, wait, it's the inodes: replaced-url
• 2295[17:03:14] <teraflops> beatsteak: look for the guilty folders and nuke them ;D
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• 2299[17:03:40] <beatsteak> teraflops, this computer is a saint! It's all innocent
• 2300[17:03:45] <teraflops> xD
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• 2302[17:04:04] <tx> ouch
• 2303[17:04:56] <beatsteak> How do I get my inodes back
• 2304[17:05:43] <tx> delete the poopy files
• 2305[17:05:46] <tx> that are eating them
• 2306[17:06:17] <beatsteak> But /home has no inodes at all
• 2307[17:06:24] <beatsteak> Not even used ones
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• 2309[17:07:12] <tx> neither do any of the other LVM ones it would seem
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• 2311[17:07:35] <tx> are they ext4?
• 2312[17:07:36] <beatsteak> It's btrfs
• 2313[17:07:40] <tx> ahh
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• 2316[17:08:27] <tx> beatsteak: try btrfs filesystem usage /home
• 2317[17:08:37] <tx> "btrfs filesystem usage /home"
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• 2319[17:09:31] <smeert> so im running dhcp server on my deboian
• 2320[17:09:33] <smeert> debian*
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• 2322[17:09:44] <smeert> but im not quite sure what config file is it using
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• 2324[17:10:07] <teraflops> smeert: ugh
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• 2331[17:11:10] <smeert> i have directories for dhcp and dhcp3
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• 2333[17:11:26] <beatsteak> smeert, try /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
• 2334[17:11:40] <smeert> yes actually ps ax|grep dhcp shows that
• 2335[17:11:43] <smeert> what is the dhcp3 then
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• 2337[17:12:40] <beatsteak> tx, replaced-url
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• 2340[17:13:11] <tx> doesn't look too bad
• 2341[17:13:16] <tx> but I have no experience with btrfs
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• 2344[17:13:46] <beatsteak> I didn't even know I chose btrfs
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• 2347[17:15:10] <Walex> smeert: to figure out those things use 'lsof -c ...' and 'dpkg -S ...'
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• 2349[17:15:47] <Walex> beatsteak: if you are using Btrfs things can be pretty good but slightly surprising
• 2350[17:16:01] <Walex> beatsteak: 15k inodes is nothing...
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• 2352[17:16:49] <Walex> beatsteak: beatsteak: are you still there?
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• 2354[17:16:56] <beatsteak> Yeah
• 2355[17:17:05] <Walex> beatsteak: ok, the story is this:
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• 2357[17:18:11] <Walex> beatsteak: Btrfs allocates space first in "chunks" of (usually) 1G each, and then in "leaves/nodes" usually 16KiB each. It says all space used up when all chunks are allocated, but 'df' reports the blocks in nodes/leaves free.
• 2358[17:18:25] <Walex> beatsteak: that happened to be yesterday...
• 2359[17:18:41] <tx> Every time I think I might try brtfs
• 2360[17:18:46] <tx> things happen that make me less want to
• 2361[17:19:12] <beatsteak> So, I need more chunks
• 2362[17:19:12] <Walex> beatsteak: the way to free up chunks is to run the "balance" operation, which however usually requires often a trick. If you are lucky the trick is not necessary.
• 2363[17:19:13] <smeert> Walex: okies
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• 2366[17:19:22] <pikaro> hi! I'd like to migrate my system to a bigger disk. I'd like to zero, encrypt and format it from the running system, so that I end up with a system and data partition over there. then I would like to get the existing system to the data partition as backup. is it possible to install debian on the system partition with netinst, or does it not have the necessary decryption tools? or can I somehow install a base system on the new system partition from the runn
• 2367[17:19:22] <pikaro> ing install so that I can complete the installation without external physical media?
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• 2372[17:20:28] <Walex> beatsteak: beatsteak from your 'btrfs filesystem df /home' however I noticed now that's not your problem...
• 2373[17:20:36] <n4dir> pretty much all installation media contain the very same installer, pikaro (at least as far i can tell, and i am rather sure here)
• 2374[17:20:55] <beatsteak> Walex, that would have been really cool
• 2375[17:21:02] <Walex> beatsteak: if you are using an older kernel there is *another* issue, which is a bug:
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• 2377[17:21:25] <pikaro> n4dir, and do they supply the tools to mount an encrypted volume as an installation target?
• 2378[17:21:27] <beatsteak> 3.16.04
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• 2380[17:22:00] <n4dir> pikaro: they upply the tool to create an encrypted volume, so i would assume you can mount an existing one too.
• 2381[17:22:03] <n4dir> but am not sure
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• 2384[17:22:51] <Walex> beatsteak: the so called "free space cache" code sometimes "forgets" some free space, and the solution is very simple: remount the filesystem with the options 'clear_cache' or nospace_cache' (a bit slower).
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• 2386[17:23:08] <Walex> beatsteak: that kernerl most likely has that bug
• 2387[17:24:10] <beatsteak> Walex, thanks a lot. I'll try that
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• 2390[17:24:55] <beatsteak> Walex, wait. How would that mount command be? mount -o clear_cache?
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• 2392[17:25:33] <Walex> beatsteak: I personall fully disable the free space cache with 'nospace_cache' as for a file system with some space left and few new files it dopes not help a lot.
• 2393[17:25:33] <n4dir> pikaro: i am not sure if i understand you correct. If i do i would just do the encryption from the installer. I see no point in doing it before.
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• 2395[17:25:54] <Walex> beatsteak: first try 'mount -o remount,cache_clear /home'
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• 2397[17:26:49] <Walex> beatsteak: if that does not work, you have to logout, 'umount /home' and then 'mount -o clear_cahe /home' or 'mount -o nospace_cache /home'
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• 2402[17:28:49] <pikaro> n4dir, problem is that my disk just started failing and I don't think I will be able to reboot into this system. after I turn it off, I will have to do everything through my phone and my nas, whereas now I can still use a full desktop to prepare. so I want to make as sure as possible that I have a clear idea of how the installation can be done in a way that is likely to be successful.
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• 2410[17:31:11] <n4dir> shooting from the hip: create an encrypted partition, rsync all of old system to it. remount, use installer, ignore the created encrypted partitition. Take care of mounting it via fstab after installation
• 2411[17:31:41] <n4dir> if an external medium to temporary store it would be available, it would be more easy , of course
• 2412[17:32:05] <Walex> n4dir: I think that 'pikaro' wants to create an encrypted boot or root partition...
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• 2414[17:32:27] <n4dir> the /boot partition can't be encrypted, as far i remember, Walex
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• 2417[17:32:58] <Walex> n4dir: not so easily :-), but I suspect that is what he is asking.
• 2418[17:33:11] <pikaro> n4dir, the problem with that is that I'd later have to migrate the old data into the new LUKS created by the installer, then remove the container created from here and resize the new one - which is apparently a very risky undertaking.
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• 2420[17:33:28] <n4dir> you saying you can encrypt /boot too?
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• 2423[17:33:51] <n4dir> pikaro: hence create an encrypted partition now, rsync the data there, bu ignore that during installation.
• 2424[17:34:05] <pikaro> Walex, I just want to know how to install safely in a way that preserves the copied data.
• 2425[17:34:07] <n4dir> take care of mounting it later.
• 2426[17:34:26] <pikaro> n4dir, so just as I asked above - install into that same container?
• 2427[17:34:27] <Walex> pikaro: that's really easy!
• 2428[17:34:46] <Walex> pikaro: you just tell the Debian installer you do the partioning manually.
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• 2431[17:35:14] <n4dir> Well: pikaro i would first of all take care that my data don't get lost during installation. Hence first of all a backup partition.
• 2432[17:35:22] <pikaro> Walex, and the above scenario - installing onto a pre-existing encrypted container will work like I thought?
• 2433[17:36:41] <Walex> pikaro: well, onjce you tell the Debian Installer you partition manually, the only thing you need to do is to create explicitly a root/boot partition, and it will ignore anything else.
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• 2435[17:37:33] <pikaro> n4dir, the data partition would serve as a temporary backup, after I'm done I'd just mount it as /home
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• 2437[17:37:44] <n4dir> that was my point
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• 2440[17:37:52] <hid3> Is anyone familiar with Debian package rebuilding? I was having trouble downoading the sources with 'apt-get source <mypackage>' so I downloaded the required 3 files manually from a mirror. However, now I'm unsure how to extract them so that the directory structure is correct.. Any ideas on this?
• 2441[17:38:15] <Walex> hid3: 'dpkg-source' and howtos
• 2442[17:38:23] <n4dir> not that sure how to go with that if lvm is involved, but at least you sure got your "backup" and your data don't get lost, pikaro
• 2443[17:38:31] <Walex> hid3: there is a specific HOWTO on backporting
• 2444[17:39:10] <pikaro> n4dir, yeah "not sure about LVM" and all that is my problem, too - it all was so simple before encryption :\
• 2445[17:39:10] <hid3> excellent, thanks for the hint...
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• 2447[17:39:16] <Walex> hid3: replaced-url
• 2448[17:39:37] <n4dir> if only cryptsetup is involved, just mounting that partition after installation would be easy. With lvm probably too, but i don't know how (i didn't do it)
• 2449[17:40:23] <n4dir> pikaro: if you got enough space, just keep the only encrypted but not lvm partition as a backup (or for other stuff). If space is a problem: Shit. !
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• 2451[17:40:31] <Walex> hid3: replaced-url
• 2452[17:40:47] <Walex> hid3: replaced-url
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• 2455[17:41:21] <pikaro> alright, I'll just try this route, then - there's nothing of real value on the local disk anyway, worst case I'll start making the system comfortable from scratch.... again
• 2456[17:41:24] <n4dir> pikaro: my main point is this: don't rely on installing and partitioning to keep your data safe /save/. Make a backup you know it is safe /save/
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• 2458[17:41:44] <Walex> hid3: as this page recommends, having a fresh build environment with 'pbuilder' is a good idea: replaced-url
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• 2461[17:41:56] <n4dir> things can always go south. ...
• 2462[17:42:16] <Walex> maybe our "pikaro" feels lucky :-)
• 2463[17:42:24] <n4dir> fingers crosses !
• 2464[17:42:29] <n4dir> :-)
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• 2466[17:43:05] <Walex> pikaro: replaced-url
• 2467[17:43:24] <TuxCrazy> which is the DE that is most well integrated with Debian Stable? I have a new laptop and I need to install Debian Stable on it.
• 2468[17:43:35] <hid3> Walex: Thanks, I got it going. All I needed was the 'dpkg-source -x <name>.dsc'. I've extracted it and proceeding further now
• 2469[17:43:53] <pikaro> yeah :P thanks for the fingers crossed and the advice! I'd feel much more comfortable with a spare external disk, too, but short of ripping one out of my NAS, the new SSD is the only option. (fortunately, it's 4x as big as the old one, so no space concerns.)
• 2470[17:43:53] <Walex> TuxCrazy: 'tmux' of course :-)
• 2471[17:44:02] <n4dir> if you got VirtualBox installed /or qemu/ you could first have a look if it works like you expect, get a bit used to the manual paritioning, pikaro
• 2472[17:44:11] <TuxCrazy> Walex, what is tmux?
• 2473[17:44:13] <n4dir> as far it's me it sure is a bit twisted, confusing
• 2474[17:44:30] <Walex> TuxCrazy: ascii window manager ;-)
• 2475[17:44:49] <n4dir> pikaro: rsync the whole shebang to the NAS is not an option?
• 2476[17:45:05] <TuxCrazy> I am a beginner in Linux. I need a good GUI based DE.
• 2477[17:45:24] <hn7xakns> lxde
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• 2479[17:45:34] <phogg> TuxCrazy: KDE
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• 2481[17:45:50] <TuxCrazy> or is Debian not a recommended place for a beginner?
• 2482[17:45:55] <sillyslux> xfce
• 2483[17:45:59] <tx> Debian is great for beginners.
• 2484[17:46:02] <n4dir> ratpoison
• 2485[17:46:09] <tx> n4dir: good joke
• 2486[17:46:11] <pikaro> the nas is unencrypted :\ plus I only have 100 mbit available...
• 2487[17:46:20] <tx> TuxCrazy: The latest Gnome and KDE offering will be just fine.
• 2488[17:46:26] <Walex> TuxCrazy: I like KDE too. But for real simple/familiar you chould have a look also at XFCE.
• 2489[17:46:35] <tx> Why not try Gnome, Kde and Xfce
• 2490[17:46:40] <tx> explore! :)
• 2491[17:46:52] <sillyslux> ratpoison is a simple window manager with no fancy graphics, no window decorations, and no rodent dependence. It is largely modelled after GNU Screen.
• 2492[17:46:53] <TuxCrazy> ok. Will try Xfce to begin with.
• 2493[17:46:55] <tx> You can actually have 3 installed at once
• 2494[17:47:01] <tx> and switch at your login screen
• 2495[17:47:04] <n4dir> The encryption doesn't come into it, pikaro. rsync to NAS, do the installation, rsync the stuff from NAS to the new, encprypted installation. After installation, of course
• 2496[17:47:25] <n4dir> pikaro: but if there ain't not enough size ...
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• 2499[17:47:43] <beatsteak> Walex, it didn't work, the problem persists
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• 2501[17:47:51] <pikaro> n4dir, I'd have to securely delete everything from the nas again
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• 2503[17:47:58] <n4dir> dd
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• 2506[17:48:57] <pikaro> n4dir, with a broken disk, that's not a safe option - dmesg says the journal is corrupted and sectors are unreadable.
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• 2508[17:49:24] <n4dir> with a broken disk nothing is a safe option
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• 2510[17:50:14] <n4dir> hence you want to rsync your data asap
• 2511[17:50:33] <Walex> beatsteak: did you fully 'umount' it then?
• 2512[17:50:48] <TuxCrazy> how does an OS of 32 bit edition behave in a 64 bit machine? will it be fast or slow?
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• 2514[17:50:57] <beatsteak> Walex, unmounted, checked, tried both options
• 2515[17:51:24] <TuxCrazy> I have a 32 bit edition of Debian downloaded. But, my laptop is of 64 bits.
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• 2517[17:51:40] <n4dir> pikaro: what makes you think to copy the data to the new installation is safe, while copying it to the NAS wouldn't be?
• 2518[17:52:02] <Walex> beatsteak: then it must be the 'balance' thing. first thing try: 'btrfs balance start -musage=5,soft -dusage=5,stop /home' that must be run while it is mounted.
• 2519[17:52:07] <n4dir> TuxCrazy: me too.
• 2520[17:52:15] <Walex> beatsteak: but first...
• 2521[17:52:17] <pikaro> n4dir, if I copy on a per-file basis, all I'll get is a few corrupted files. if I dd, the whole image might be unreadable
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• 2525[17:52:37] <Walex> beatsteak: post the result of 'btrfs fi usage /home' that is a bit more detailed
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• 2527[17:52:40] <n4dir> pikaro: dd to delete the data safely later. rsync to copy it around
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• 2529[17:53:04] <Walex> pikaro: you must be feeling *really* lucky.
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• 2534[17:53:29] <n4dir> you said: i have to delete the data on the NAS later. I said: dd (And meant: use dd to safely delete them later. I assumed context would make it clear).
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• 2538[17:53:49] <beatsteak> Walex, unkown token "usage"
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• 2540[17:54:03] <julius_> hi
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• 2542[17:54:25] <Walex> beatsteak: ahh, older version...
• 2543[17:54:32] <beatsteak> df
• 2544[17:54:35] <n4dir> pikaro: my whole point is this: How can i store my data right now safely. That is what i would focus on.
• 2545[17:54:36] <julius_> how do you search the debian bug database for the string _remove_dead_weakref in the subject field, without providing a package?
• 2546[17:54:39] <beatsteak> and I posted that earlier
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• 2548[17:55:00] <n4dir> pikaro: once that is clear, you can mess up installation as often as you want. Once done, put your data in place. Boom
• 2549[17:55:03] <Walex> beatsteak: try 'btrfs dev usage /home'
• 2550[17:55:31] <beatsteak> Walex, the same
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• 2554[17:56:42] <Walex> beatsteak: well, just start the 'balance', it can't hurt, unless your filesystem is damaged, and yoiu checked it.
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• 2558[17:57:28] <beatsteak> It said no errors in stats
• 2559[17:57:41] <Walex> beatsteak: BTW 3.16 is not a good kernel version for Btrfs, too old, get the kernel and the tools '.deb' from backports.
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• 2563[17:58:22] <beatsteak> Walex, it can't run the command since there's no space left on device
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• 2565[17:58:51] <Walex> beatsteak: ahhhhhhh then it is the annoying bit.
• 2566[17:58:55] <beatsteak> hehe
• 2567[17:59:02] <beatsteak> I'll upgrade to testing
• 2568[17:59:09] <Walex> beatsteak: no, don't do that.
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• 2570[17:59:43] <beatsteak> I always do that with new systems
• 2571[17:59:47] <Walex> beatsteak: just backports kernel and '.deb', keep on stable. I was using Btrfs even on 3.2
• 2572[18:00:04] <Walex> beatsteak: what you have to do now is the annoying thing.
• 2573[18:00:12] <Walex> beatsteak: which I had to do yesterday...
• 2574[18:00:19] <beatsteak> Alright
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• 2576[18:00:36] <Walex> beatsteak: you have to add 2-4GiB of space to that filesystem so 'balance' can work.
• 2577[18:00:54] <Walex> beatsteak: I used a USB stick to do that, other options possible.
• 2578[18:01:18] <Walex> beatsteak: then you run 'balance' and then you remove the extra device, and then you keep doing 'balance' periodically.
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• 2580[18:01:37] <beatsteak> Well, I have a fancy lvm
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• 2582[18:02:07] <Walex> beatsteak: then create a new 4GiB LV, and then:
• 2583[18:02:11] <TuxCrazy> if I want to install Debian Stable 8.6 64 bit edition, how much space should be allocated to root partition, home partition and swap? I have a hdd of 1TB.
• 2584[18:02:12] <pikaro> hmmm. can I just loop through the rsynced files with a dd if=/dev/zero of="$file" after I copied them back? because my nas and its package system don't have shred available.
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• 2586[18:02:49] <tx> pikaro: if you do that it will constantly write zero's to the first time you specify lol
• 2587[18:02:52] <tx> because no blocksize
• 2588[18:02:58] <tx> and count
• 2589[18:03:02] <Walex> beatsteak: 'btrfs dev add /dev/mapper/... /home'
• 2590[18:03:09] <pikaro> tx duh, I was speaking in shorthand ;)
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• 2592[18:03:15] <n4dir> no need for a loop. But i would think about it once the first problem is solved. Deleting the data sure ain't no problem
• 2593[18:03:19] <Walex> beatsteak: then run 'balance' again
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• 2595[18:03:33] <TuxCrazy> and I have Xubuntu 16.04.1 installed on my laptop. And for that I have created 4GB swap and 100 GB Home partition.
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• 2597[18:03:38] <n4dir> i think urandom is prefered over zero, pikaro. Mainly cause it will take 2 days
• 2598[18:03:46] <Walex> beatsteak: then: 'btrfs dev del ... /home'
• 2599[18:03:51] <pikaro> n4dir, urandom is faster than zero?
• 2600[18:04:06] <n4dir> safer, and way slower
• 2601[18:04:09] <Walex> TuxCrazy: that's pretty huge
• 2602[18:04:10] <TuxCrazy> If I install Debian Stable now, can I use the existing home partition?
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• 2604[18:04:22] <Walex> TuxCrazy: sure, just use manual partitioning
• 2605[18:04:29] <n4dir> pikaro: i would really ignore that problem for now, mainly cause it isn't a problem
• 2606[18:04:41] <TuxCrazy> Walex, how much space for root partition?
• 2607[18:04:50] <Walex> TuxCrazy: but frankly Xubuntu 16 is practically identical to Debian+XFCE.
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• 2610[18:05:14] <n4dir> Walex: No. At least not the last time i checked
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• 2613[18:05:41] <TuxCrazy> Walex. Ok. No need to install Debian?
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• 2616[18:06:10] <Walex> TuxCrazy: They are different versions, but essentially equivalent, very very similar in many ways.
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• 2619[18:06:44] <TuxCrazy> ok
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• 2621[18:06:55] <n4dir> lubuntu is rathter bloated, debian-xfce is rather lean. imho
• 2622[18:06:55] <hn7xakns> Hi there, someone can help me with UEFI on MAC
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• 2624[18:07:20] <Walex> n4dir: that's a second order effect to a beginner.
• 2625[18:07:34] <n4dir> yes, of course. but it's quite a difference. Walex
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• 2627[18:07:47] <teraflops> hn7xakns: there's no need of asking for help, just ask your question directly
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• 2630[18:09:20] <TuxCrazy> which one shall I install?
• 2631[18:09:33] <hn7xakns> :) Thanks teraflops, i want install debian on my iMac mid 2011 with have a UEFI boot. How i can prepare USB boot for this scenario?
• 2632[18:09:44] <Walex> TuxCrazy: Ubuntu is "based" fairly closely on Debian sources, even if there are differences of detail, and as "n4dir" says the default XFCE installation for Xubuntu is a bit larger than for Debian.
• 2633[18:09:52] <Walex> TuxCrazy: the one you have already have is fine.
• 2634[18:10:16] <TuxCrazy> ok. If Debian Xfce is leaner, I'll try that too.
• 2635[18:10:51] <Walex> beatsteak: how it's doing?
• 2636[18:10:52] <n4dir> TuxCrazy: imho use any distribution, it doesn't matter much which, and learn it well.
• 2637[18:11:04] <TuxCrazy> ok
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• 2640[18:11:14] <n4dir> Like Walex said: if you got one already, just use that.
• 2641[18:11:35] <dontknow> debian is better
• 2642[18:11:54] <n4dir> many, like I, wasted way too much time in distro-hopping. TuxCrazy
• 2643[18:11:58] * Walex is sad that "TuxCrazy" is starting his UNIX/Linux experience in a world already infected by 'systemd'... :-(
• 2644[18:12:10] <dontknow> ubuntu only support their main repo not universe
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• 2646[18:12:35] <teraflops> hn7xakns: I dont think you need to tweak the image or the usb
• 2647[18:12:52] <hn7xakns> UEFI trouble: replaced-url
• 2648[18:13:01] <TuxCrazy> what is systemd?
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• 2651[18:13:16] <hn7xakns> usb does not boot
• 2652[18:13:18] <beatsteak> Walex, "Done, had to relocate 30 out of 192 chunks
• 2653[18:13:18] <beatsteak> "
• 2654[18:13:21] <Walex> TuxCrazy: don't ask, don't tell :-)
• 2655[18:13:22] <n4dir> Walex: there is still Slackware and Gentoo (and the more obscure distros)
• 2656[18:13:25] <teraflops> hn7xakns: that's for installing osx/macos not linux^
• 2657[18:13:27] <hn7xakns> i try many times
• 2658[18:13:35] <Walex> beatsteak: you got lucky!
• 2659[18:13:47] <beatsteak> Walex, I'm a lucky fella in general
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• 2661[18:13:52] <Walex> beatsteak: now you should be able to create files.
• 2662[18:13:56] <n4dir> Walex: which i use now. No interest in systemd ...
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• 2664[18:14:05] <hn7xakns> teraflops: sudo nvram enable-legacy-orom-behavior=1
• 2665[18:14:37] <hn7xakns> maybe enable other system to boot with this command
• 2666[18:14:37] <Walex> beatsteak: if you are able to create files, then do the 'dev del' and you are sorted.
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• 2668[18:14:59] <teraflops> hn7xakns: huh?
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• 2672[18:15:56] <teraflops> hn7xakns: have you already tried booting the debian iso?
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• 2674[18:15:59] <Walex> beatsteak: actually when you are done, rerun 'balance' again without any options, it will do it deeper. '-musage=5,soft -dusage=5,soft' were just to make it shorter.
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• 2676[18:16:26] <Walex> beatsteak: also upgrade the kernel and tools '.deb'.
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• 2678[18:16:31] <hn7xakns> teraflops: the machine have 'lock' the boot to only runs macos... =( // have special command to create a USB bootable UEFI compatible?
• 2679[18:16:49] <hn7xakns> teraflops: iso on DVD?
• 2680[18:17:17] <teraflops> hn7xakns: which Macos version running there?
• 2681[18:17:35] <hn7xakns> 10.12.2
• 2682[18:17:50] <beatsteak> Walex, mate, thank you very much. You helped me a lot. I could login, everything is fine now
• 2683[18:17:59] <teraflops> hn7xakns: ah ;S
• 2684[18:18:14] <Walex> beatsteak: have you removed the extra device? Just checking...
• 2685[18:18:29] <hn7xakns> teraflops: =(
• 2686[18:18:33] <beatsteak> Walex, I resized the partition
• 2687[18:18:43] <Walex> beatsteak: that is a bit dangerous...
• 2688[18:18:49] <beatsteak> Eh
• 2689[18:18:53] <beatsteak> It worked
• 2690[18:18:56] <beatsteak> :)
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• 2692[18:19:31] <apestate> void linux under attack: replaced-url
• 2693[18:19:34] <Walex> good good anyhow, run the full balance, and maybe weekly/monthly
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• 2698[18:20:03] <apestate> err don't go there
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• 2700[18:20:08] <Walex> beatsteak: 'balance' does not defrag files, it defrags the free space list.
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• 2702[18:21:14] <beatsteak> So, is that something I need to run frequently?
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• 2704[18:21:48] <Walex> beatsteak: not that frequently, weekly/monthly
• 2705[18:22:18] <Walex> beatsteak: I had forgottern to run it for 3-4 months, so it happened to me too
• 2706[18:22:24] <beatsteak> That's very frequently :)
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• 2708[18:22:38] <beatsteak> cronjob, olé
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• 2711[18:22:59] <Walex> beatsteak: IIRC there is already one for Btrfs in Debian
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• 2713[18:24:07] <beatsteak> Actually, I only wanted to install a poll app on my server :(
• 2714[18:24:20] <Walex> replaced-url
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• 2716[18:24:49] <Walex> beatsteak: well, Btrfs is quite good, stable, flexible and does checksums and snapshots, so I like it.
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• 2722[18:27:36] <pikaro> is rsync really usable to copy damaged files now? most I can find says that it tends to hang for ages on damaged sectors, which would make copying all of 128gb over network rather time-consuming. one comment on stackexchange said that it got better at this in recent years, though.
• 2723[18:28:33] <pikaro> the only alternative on a per-file basis seems to be dd'ing individual files
• 2724[18:29:24] <teraflops> Walex: yeah subvols + snapshots and btrfs send | btrfs receive
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• 2728[18:30:20] <n4dir> pikaro: you could rsync all folders individually, investigate if later if they hang. rsync in the LAN isn't outstanding slow, au contraire
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• 2732[18:33:12] <n4dir> not sure if sshfs and then cp -a is a better option, if damaged files are included. Never had that problem
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• 2737[18:36:28] <teraflops> beatsteak: btrfs wiki at kernel.org says you dont need to run btrfs balance regularly
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• 2747[18:43:29] <ChristianMaffei> hi, is debian composed by stock linux kernel+debian patches applied?
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• 2751[18:44:56] <ChristianMaffei> ?
• 2752[18:45:18] <petn-randall> ChristianMaffei: Yes, the Debian kernel is patched, and also has a Debian-specific config to compile the kernel.
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• 2755[18:45:31] <petn-randall> (like pretty much every distro out there)
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• 2763[18:47:32] <ChristianMaffei> petn-randall: so, for updating for example 4.8 to 4.9 you only need to clone torvald's kernel, insert debian dir and apply patches with quilt, right?
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• 2766[18:48:38] <petn-randall> ChristianMaffei: You can simply download the kernel sources from kernel.org, run 'make config' and configure it to your needs, and the run 'make -j<numberofprocessors+2> deb-pkg', and you'll get a .deb you can install.
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• 2768[18:48:55] <petn-randall> ChristianMaffei: Better approach would be to use the backports kernel, so you automatically get updates.
• 2769[18:48:59] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 2770[18:49:00] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.15-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
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• 2773[18:49:24] <petn-randall> ChristianMaffei: ^^^ jessie-backports currently only has 4.8, but probably in a week or so it'll be at 4.9.
• 2774[18:49:30] <ChristianMaffei> and patches?
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• 2796[18:55:06] <Dreaman> how to us full hd resolution
• 2797[18:55:15] <Dreaman> free radeon driver
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• 2809[19:00:09] <jhutchins> Dreamix: Make sure it's actually loading nouveau and not vesa.
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• 2813[19:01:01] <szczep_> Hello everyone, I need help in finding linux distro that has .img image format. Any ideas? Google offered me no answer.
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• 2815[19:01:39] <petn-randall> szczep_: What do you mean with that?
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• 2817[19:01:54] <petn-randall> szczep_: Are you looking for a distro that supports that format?
• 2818[19:02:01] <FreeBeastie> maybe a systemback image
• 2819[19:02:26] <szczep_> I mean basically that I need to burn a live-usb, but my old mobo doesn't want to boot when I use ISO files.
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• 2822[19:02:54] <petn-randall> szczep_: If your mobo doesn't support that, a different image format won't fix that, either.
• 2823[19:02:59] <FreeBeastie> you can do with systemback but its not a packacke
• 2824[19:03:05] <FreeBeastie> lol
• 2825[19:03:11] <FreeBeastie> package
• 2826[19:03:13] <petn-randall> !lol
• 2827[19:03:14] <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
• 2828[19:03:18] <szczep_> When I tried freeBSD which has its images in .img format and burned it using Win32diskimager it worked like a charm.
• 2829[19:03:23] <jhutchins> szczep_: img is just a name.
• 2830[19:03:35] <jhutchins> szczep_: It does not specify a format.
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• 2832[19:04:03] <FreeBeastie> i dont change myself because times change but one day times will change me
• 2833[19:04:10] <petn-randall> szczep_: In 9/10 times, it is just a synonym for ".iso". In the others, it's just a byte dump of some block device.
• 2834[19:04:14] <jhutchins> szczep_: Same with iso, althoug it does imply an iso9669 format, which is what the USB will end up with.
• 2835[19:04:19] <szczep_> I know that, but somehow FreeBSD burned with .img format worked, .iso didn't.
• 2836[19:04:35] <petn-randall> szczep_: What error did you get trying to boot it?
• 2837[19:04:37] <jhutchins> szczep_: It's more likely you had either a bad image or a bad burn.
• 2838[19:05:02] <FreeBeastie> you can install a system then install systemback and then create a live usb with
• 2839[19:05:14] <FreeBeastie> but first on a hd
• 2840[19:05:23] <FreeBeastie> or two sticks
• 2841[19:05:31] <jhutchins> FreeBeastie: Whether an image is .img or .iso is not going to make a difference.
• 2842[19:05:44] <FreeBeastie> he wants a live stick
• 2843[19:05:58] <FreeBeastie> or her
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• 2845[19:06:14] <szczep_> No error, I was able to make the flash drive first in boot priority in BIOS, but when it goes past the "PCI Devices listing" part of POST then it just flashes the underscore symbol and does nothing more.
• 2846[19:06:28] <FreeBeastie> but systemback create it byself no need for another program to do it
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• 2848[19:06:53] <jhutchins> szczep_: Check the md5sum of the downloaded image, and verify the copy to the USB.
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• 2851[19:07:09] <petn-randall> szczep_: I'm with jhutchins, looks like a faulty copy.
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• 2854[19:07:35] <szczep_> did it already, plus this flash drive boots on the rest of my PC's
• 2855[19:07:37] <FreeBeastie> i was think we are all together ? :P
• 2856[19:07:58] <szczep_> both on new desktop and an old Thinkpad
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• 2859[19:08:18] <jhutchins> szczep_: You might need to boot with noacpi or noapic or nomodeset options. Sounds like a hardware problem if the image is valid.
• 2860[19:08:31] <jhutchins> szczep_: Has nothing to do with the download format.
• 2861[19:08:39] <asarch> In a server only installation, which daemon do you usually use to enable the Internet connection?
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• 2863[19:08:41] <asarch> wicd?
• 2864[19:08:46] <jhutchins> szczep_: You've proved that by booting other systems with it.
• 2865[19:08:54] <petn-randall> szczep_: Do you get to a grub prompt that you can change?
• 2866[19:09:02] <jhutchins> asarch: Servers usually use static configs.
• 2867[19:09:18] <petn-randall> asarch: I usually use /etc/network/interfaces static config. If you need anything else, use network-manager.
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• 2869[19:09:48] <FreeBeastie> szczep it looks like you have a image but where you got it ?
• 2870[19:09:50] <jhutchins> You only need network manager or wicd if you move around between networks.
• 2871[19:09:57] <szczep_> well I don't know, it boots BSD just fine. I don't even get to GRUB, I had at one point openmediavault on that stick with lilo on it, and then it worked
• 2872[19:09:59] <teraflops> asarch: /e/n/i is fine, NM has nmtui so that's fine too
• 2873[19:11:01] <asarch> Thank you
• 2874[19:11:07] <asarch> Thank you very much guys :-)
• 2875[19:11:40] <szczep_> maybe it
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• 2877[19:12:16] <szczep_> maybe it's bootloader that doesn't want to work from this drive, as FreeBSD has probably different one?
• 2878[19:12:35] <FreeBeastie> you search al inux distro with .img format but you have a bsd .img
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• 2880[19:13:01] <jhutchins> szczep_: More likely the bootloader doesn't like some aspect of your hardware. You can try the boot options I suggested or you can keep chasing ghosts.
• 2881[19:13:25] <szczep_> yes, but I need proper window manager/desktop environment, and BSD didn't want to let me install one on this drive
• 2882[19:13:39] <asarch> How do you set the simples static connection?
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• 2886[19:13:53] <asarch> I mean, which file do you have to modify for that?
• 2887[19:14:01] <teraflops> asarch: replaced-url
• 2888[19:14:04] <FreeBeastie> <szczep_> so you wantto create a new system?
• 2889[19:14:07] <szczep_> I cannot try boot options as bootloader doesn't start at all, it just hangs on PCI devices list with blinking underscore
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• 2891[19:14:22] <asarch> Thank you teraflops
• 2892[19:14:23] <szczep_> no I just need working live image
• 2893[19:14:27] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
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• 2897[19:14:50] <FreeBeastie> <szczep_> create a new debain system and write it into a live system?!
• 2898[19:14:50] <teraflops> asarch: np
• 2899[19:14:51] <petn-randall> szczep_: Does this computer support UEFI?
• 2900[19:14:55] <FreeBeastie> debian
• 2901[19:15:15] <szczep_> I don't think so, it's a ~2005 mobo
• 2902[19:15:45] <petn-randall> FreeBeastie: I don't think you understand the problem.
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• 2904[19:16:09] <FreeBeastie> <petn-randall> no i think you dont understand something about me
• 2905[19:16:11] <petn-randall> szczep_: I see. It might be worth a shot to update the BIOS.
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• 2907[19:16:28] <szczep_> it's already updated to the newest 2007 one
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• 2911[19:17:41] <petn-randall> szczep_: Ah, damn. If you want to /install/ Debian on there, and you can use a CD to boot, you could use debootstrap and a debian-like live system that boots. That would probably be a lot more work though, and quite a few manual steps involved.
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• 2913[19:18:19] <FreeBeastie> <szczep_> you have a working system for that usb or not?
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• 2915[19:18:49] <szczep_> FreeBeastie: yeah, half-working FreeBSD
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• 2918[19:19:13] <FreeBeastie> ok then you want it , forget my solution , mine is for linux mint or debian or ubuntu
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• 2920[19:19:30] <petn-randall> FreeBeastie: The last 15 minutes was about how the Debian image doesn't boot from that USB.
• 2921[19:19:59] <szczep_> it's actually Debian, GParted, Ubuntu, FreeBSD iso
• 2922[19:20:00] <FreeBeastie> <petn-randall> you talk that=
• 2923[19:20:02] <FreeBeastie> #?
• 2924[19:20:05] <szczep_> that didn't want to boot
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• 2926[19:20:45] <szczep_> but FreeBSD .img boots, that's weird. One might think that .iso of FreeBSD should then boot as well
• 2927[19:21:15] <FreeBeastie> i have some notebooks they do the same - do not boot from usb
• 2928[19:21:22] <FreeBeastie> maybe i should try FreeBSD :)
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• 2930[19:21:36] <FreeBeastie> for test
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• 2933[19:22:17] <szczep_> you could :) the .img format seems to make a difference somehow
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• 2935[19:22:35] <FreeBeastie> ok so in that case the FreeBSD points to the hardware and it works
• 2936[19:22:37] <szczep_> that's why I asked about any distro that uses it
• 2937[19:22:40] <petn-randall> szczep_: Run 'file <imgfile>' on both, they should both tell you the same.
• 2938[19:23:07] <FreeBeastie> <szczep_> there is a bsd linux mix out there
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• 2941[19:24:17] <FreeBeastie> i forgot the name but maybe it can run both binaries so ...
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• 2945[19:25:53] <FreeBeastie> why you need bsd?
• 2946[19:26:08] <FreeBeastie> you could try debian
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• 2949[19:26:43] <szczep_> I don't need bsd specifically, I just need any working desktop live environment that can boot from flashdrive
• 2950[19:26:45] <w4lk> rt
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• 2956[19:28:00] <szczep_> so back to square one, anybody knows linux distro that uses .img file format for their live-cd?
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• 2961[19:28:31] <teraflops> youre not making sense sorry
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• 2964[19:29:03] <FreeBeastie> <szczep_> i use that with systemback but then you should use with but the thing is .img there are dieffrent
• 2965[19:29:21] <FreeBeastie> there are many .img sytems out there not only one
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• 2967[19:29:44] <FreeBeastie> .img isnt .img
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• 2969[19:30:15] <FreeBeastie> so if you think that one program can handle it because extension is .img thats wrong
• 2970[19:30:35] <FreeBeastie> or maybe wrong
• 2971[19:30:40] <FreeBeastie> 89 %
• 2972[19:31:31] <FreeBeastie> some developer like to call it .img the other likes too but theyre creating diefferent structues
• 2973[19:31:44] <szczep_> well, one OS that boots from .img file and not from .iso - the same version of OS etc.
• 2974[19:32:07] <SynrGy> you can take the debian live iso, tear it apart, and put it back together on USB media
• 2975[19:32:19] <SynrGy> the end result is as if it had been produced as img
• 2976[19:32:31] <SynrGy> but you have finer control over the size/partitioning of the result
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• 2978[19:32:47] <FreeBeastie> and then a system is not a block, its a creation of many parts
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• 2981[19:33:41] <FreeBeastie> linux too, maybe your file dont work and tommorow someone create a package for it
• 2982[19:33:41] <szczep_> well then, please clarify why flash drive with FreeBSD burnt from .img file boots, but the same version from .iso file doesn't? As you state, it should make no difference at all
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• 2984[19:34:04] <FreeBeastie> maybe ask the BSD guys is a good idea
• 2985[19:34:10] <SynrGy> szczep_: while i was still on the debian-live team, i wrote this: replaced-url
• 2986[19:34:18] <SynrGy> it is a bit dated, but still applicable to current releases.
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• 2988[19:34:37] <pikaro> data recovery is running now - for future reference to the people who helped me, best solution I found was to rebuild the directory structure, then use find with -exec to ddrescue each individual file. ddrescue seems to be a much better option than rsync with damaged sectors.
• 2989[19:35:07] <SynrGy> szczep_: the 'hdd' images described in that article were .img files. one reason for using them was old mobo's that couldn't boot the hybrid iso images
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• 2991[19:35:16] <FreeBeastie> BSD guys are more familiar with linux than linux guys with BSD
• 2992[19:35:19] <SynrGy> szczep_: sounds like a match for you
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• 2994[19:35:47] <FreeBeastie> because you can use linux binaries in BSD
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• 3004[19:36:31] <pikaro> also getfacl quickly copied the permissions so I can just restore them once I copied the data back onto my system
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• 3006[19:36:36] <FreeBeastie> <SynrGy> we all await you today
• 3007[19:36:37] <szczep_> SynrGy: seems like it's it
• 3008[19:36:42] <SynrGy> szczep_: if you don't actually need persistence, you can skip the part dealing with persistence.
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• 3022[19:38:11] <daemon> hey all is anyone using anything other than openssl for there sshd or even not using openssh?
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• 3024[19:39:02] <szczep_> ok I'll try later, thanks
• 3025[19:39:04] <SynrGy> i use dropbear on my router because it's tiny (non-debian system)
• 3026[19:39:12] <SynrGy> daemon: ^
• 3027[19:39:18] <daemon> SynrGy, would you be willing to give me the output of 'ssh -B'
• 3028[19:39:19] <daemon> err
• 3029[19:39:22] <daemon> ssh -V even
• 3030[19:39:26] <SynrGy> no
• 3031[19:39:43] <SynrGy> it's non-debian so not appropriate to discuss
• 3032[19:39:50] <SynrGy> however, dropbear is in debian
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• 3034[19:39:58] <daemon> drop it in pm, if you would not mind giving me a hand
• 3035[19:40:06] <daemon> its only so I can write a regex to match all known ssl/ssh verions
• 3036[19:40:16] <daemon> all my systems are freebsd so kinda not got much to test against :)
• 3037[19:40:39] <SynrGy> sure. you could install a small debian vm and dropbear in that :p
• 3038[19:40:43] <FreeBeastie> dont give him , he wants hack you ;)
• 3039[19:41:06] <daemon> SynrGy, :)
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• 3049[19:42:48] <FreeBeastie> i love vm bfore always think about sandboxes
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• 3062[19:46:25] <SynrGy> Vizva-: i have little concern about that, as it has no exposure to the internet. it's just non-debian so on principle, not a topic for here (and i don't do support in pm)
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• 3065[19:47:30] <SynrGy> it seems to me someone serious about fingerprinting debian services should simply install debian and test it themselves.
• 3066[19:47:47] <daemon> as an aside for openssh/openssl/openssh on at least freebsd and debian: my ($provider,$SSHversion,$SSLprovider,$SSLversion) = $stderr =~ m#^(.*?)_(.*?)[, ]+.*?([a-zA-Z]+SSL)\s+([0-9a-z.]+)#;
• 3067[19:47:49] <SynrGy> if you're not willing to do that, it can't be terribly important to you
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• 3069[19:47:51] <daemon> for if helpful for anyone
• 3070[19:48:00] <daemon> also picks up libressl
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• 3079[19:50:19] <no_gravity> Good Evening
• 3080[19:50:21] <no_gravity> I have this text file. When I pipe it into grep, grep tells me "Binary file (standard input) matches". How can I figure out what causes that?
• 3081[19:50:39] <johnkeates> probably the first few bytes
• 3082[19:50:40] <enon_> hi I want to install debian 8.6 on a machine currently running ubuntu 16.04 and want to use the same /(boot) /(home) /(swap) are there any known issues I should be aware of ?
• 3083[19:50:45] <johnkeates> check the first few bytes with xxd
• 3084[19:51:15] <johnkeates> enon_ as long as you delete whatever is already on there it won't be a problem
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• 3087[19:51:42] <johnkeates> well, you can keep /home but you'll have to re-create your user and fix the home permissions of the ID's don't match
• 3088[19:52:32] <SynrGy> the dotfiles from Ubuntu might not be appropriate for Debian
• 3089[19:52:39] <johnkeates> that too
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• 3091[19:52:48] <enon__> -johnkeates so they wont play well together
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• 3093[19:52:58] <johnkeates> no they won't
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• 3095[19:53:17] <cartucho2> Hola
• 3096[19:53:17] <SynrGy> are you retiring the Ubuntu system?
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• 3099[19:54:16] <enon_> sorry the wfi I on is flakey
• 3100[19:54:20] <no_gravity> johnkeates: How do you use xxd? It's not quite clear for me from the man page.
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• 3103[19:54:42] <johnkeates> xxd <filename>
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• 3112[19:56:17] <johnkeates> no_gravity: try file <filename> to see if file also thinks it's binary
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• 3114[19:56:34] <johnkeates> if grep uses magic to detect the file, file will also say what grep is saying
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• 3116[19:56:48] <no_gravity> johnkeates: file says: ISO-8859 text, with very long lines, with CRLF line terminators
• 3117[19:56:49] <johnkeates> with xxd <filename> | head you get the first few bytes of the file
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• 3119[19:56:55] <pikaro> no_gravity, do like xxd <filename> | head -n 1 if the file is larger and you only want the first few bytes
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• 3121[19:57:27] <no_gravity> Well... xxd gives me some output. No idea what to look for.
• 3122[19:57:27] <johnkeates> you can also open the file in a text-editor, and edit it a bit and save it, it might fix the magic at the first bytes
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• 3126[19:57:38] <johnkeates> the first few bytes is what you could check
• 3127[19:57:57] <johnkeates> often, a file might contain text and a few random bytes and grep will see it as binary
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• 3129[19:58:13] <johnkeates> if it's a one-off issue, use cat <file> | grep
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• 3131[19:58:20] <johnkeates> cat should just dump the text in the pipe
• 3132[19:58:22] <no_gravity> It looks like the match contains special chars.
• 3133[19:58:23] <no_gravity> If i grep for something else, grep does not complain.
• 3134[19:58:30] <johnkeates> then again, cat also works with binary..
• 3135[19:58:38] <no_gravity> "grep -a" also works.
• 3136[19:58:40] <johnkeates> well, if you use binary then grep will think binary :p
• 3137[19:59:52] <Vizva-> <SynrGy> i had to look something , yes ok i read your note, understand :)
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• 3147[20:06:28] <oo_miguel> i built a custom kernel with make-kpkg and installed it, but the dkms modules were not created
• 3148[20:06:36] <oo_miguel> do I have to run something in addtion?
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• 3153[20:07:20] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: You probably have to install the headers package, too.
• 3154[20:07:25] <oo_miguel> I installed it
• 3155[20:07:51] <oo_miguel> but I did not run anythig beside dpkg -i
• 3156[20:08:17] <oo_miguel> on the headers and image deb archives that make-kpkg created for me
• 3157[20:08:33] <oo_miguel> not sure how to update/create the dkms modules
• 3158[20:08:41] <oo_miguel> /usr/lib/dkms/dkms_autoinstaller ?
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• 3160[20:09:20] <Devastator> is there any reason for you to build a custom kernel after all?
• 3161[20:10:19] <oo_miguel> Devastator: yes i need a realtime kernel with different settings than the one shipped with debian, however my question would still be valid if I just want to build one for fun or educational purposes :P right?
• 3162[20:10:51] <Devastator> I guess so, I was just curious
• 3163[20:11:26] <oo_miguel> there is some clock setting that I need to set to 1000Hz instead of the 250 in the realtime kernel package
• 3164[20:11:46] <oo_miguel> I am running jack for some audio processing where latency is critical
• 3165[20:12:12] <oo_miguel> But I also enjoy playing with kernel compilation and do it sometimes for no apperant reason ;)
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• 3169[20:16:56] <missmbob> make-kpkg has been deprecated. you should use make deb-pkg
• 3170[20:17:09] <oo_miguel> missmbob: oh
• 3171[20:17:18] <oo_miguel> did not know this, thanks
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• 3173[20:18:03] <oo_miguel> I guess what I was looking for is: sudo dkms autoinstall -k 4.8.11-rt5
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• 3238[20:54:39] <hid3> I have a .deb file locally. Is there any way to list all the packages (and versions) on which it has got dependeincies?
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• 3241[20:56:03] <somiaj> hid3: I think dpkg can list its control field, have to look up the exact flag in the man page.
• 3242[20:56:19] <somiaj> hid3: is this deb made for the version of debian you are running? Are you wanting to install it?
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• 3244[20:57:04] <hid3> somiaj: yes, I want to install it. But before that, I want to check the dependencies. Obviously yes, it's for the Debian version I'm currently running...
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• 3247[20:57:31] <somiaj> well if you just want to install it and are sure the depends are statisified able you can just dpkg -i the package, then apt-get -f install afterwards or use gdebi
• 3248[20:57:39] <somiaj> but use dpkg to get info about the package first if needed.
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• 3251[20:58:16] <hid3> well, but if I do dpkg -i and get into some dependency hell, it might be not so pleasant
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• 3253[20:58:26] <hid3> I mean, dpkg -i is a post factum
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• 3255[20:58:49] <somiaj> well as I said, if it is really made for the version you are runnign it is installable, the after it fails, apt-get -f will fix it.
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• 3257[20:59:27] <somiaj> by downloading and installing any missing dependencies. If it isn't really made for the version of debian you are running, then apt-get -f will usually end up just removing that package as not being able to satisfy its depends.
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• 3259[21:00:23] <somiaj> but dpkg -e will extract control-information from a package which includes depends.
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• 3261[21:01:09] <hid3> found it!
• 3262[21:01:16] <hid3> it's dpkg -I <deb name>
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• 3355[21:38:09] <Kiril> Hello
• 3356[21:38:20] <Kiril> who's mainter of the package tcltls ?
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• 3358[21:38:45] <Kiril> And is he warned for the moving to the new site nad major stable update of this package
• 3359[21:39:02] <Kiril> For more info -> replaced-url
• 3360[21:39:10] <Kiril> replaced-url
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• 3370[21:42:42] <n4dir> packages.debian.org will list the maintainer, i assume, Kiril
• 3371[21:42:59] <Kiril> n4dir you are wrong
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• 3374[21:43:34] <Kiril> Maintainer:
• 3375[21:43:34] <Kiril> Muammar El Khatib (QA Page)
• 3376[21:44:00] <Kiril> this need to be updated
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• 3378[21:44:10] <n4dir> the package doesn't exist in debian. So yes, i am wrong
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• 3380[21:44:48] <Kiril> well the package exist in debian
• 3381[21:44:59] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 3383[21:45:05] <n4dir> ,v tcltls
• 3384[21:45:06] <judd> No package named 'tcltls' was found in amd64.
• 3385[21:45:13] <Kiril> root@Zeus(~)# dpkg -l |grep tcl-tls
• 3386[21:45:13] <Kiril> ii tcl-tls 1.6+dfsg-3 amd64 TLS OpenSSL extension to Tcl
• 3387[21:45:13] <Kiril> root@Zeus(~)#
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• 3389[21:46:45] <n4dir> and how come you don't think the mentioned maintainer is the maintainer?
• 3390[21:47:20] <huinen> exit
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• 3392[21:47:24] <Kiril> replaced-url
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• 3402[21:50:59] <JC_Denton> did 8.7 land?
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• 3406[21:51:18] <JC_Denton> i guess so
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• 3436[22:10:47] <pingouin> hello #debian
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• 3439[22:11:37] <pingouin> someone has a good documentation, user viewpoint, for Systemd & Debian...the wiki is not very usefull (sorry to say that)
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• 3441[22:12:20] <mtn> pingouin: the arch linux wiki has a great section on systemd
• 3442[22:12:39] <pingouin> hmm, ok let's see that, thank mtn
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• 3444[22:13:02] <n4dir> !systemd
• 3445[22:13:02] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". replaced-url
• 3446[22:13:10] <n4dir> hmm ...
• 3447[22:13:17] <pingouin> my system hang 1.30 minutes at shutdown -h :/
• 3448[22:13:29] <pingouin> great to make the boot faster....to kill it at shutdown :)
• 3449[22:13:29] <motd`> !aide
• 3450[22:13:29] <dpkg> AIDE (Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment) is an open source, host-based intrusion detection system, initially developed as a free <tripwire> replacement. replaced-url
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• 3453[22:13:33] <motd`> word
• 3454[22:13:34] <mtn> pingouin: it is waiting for some app to close
• 3455[22:14:24] <pingouin> yeah, mtn , i dont remember exactly the sentence, but something related to that, session blah user1 blah...
• 3456[22:14:40] <n4dir> init that awesome?
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• 3458[22:14:51] <mtn> pingouin: hard to solve blah blah error messages :P
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• 3461[22:15:32] <pingouin> mtn: it was not an error message, it was information, trying to wait/close an application/daeamon still running..
• 3462[22:15:48] <pingouin> bah i'm sure it's a classic features of Systemd
• 3463[22:16:05] <mtn> pingouin: hopefully you get my point that you are missing all the essential info
• 3464[22:16:05] <pingouin> anyway, i check the wiki arch linux
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• 3466[22:17:11] <pingouin> is there a journalctl for the shutdown like journactl -b for the boot ?
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• 3468[22:17:27] <Kiril> root@Zeus(~)# cat /etc/debian_version
• 3469[22:17:27] <Kiril> 8.7
• 3470[22:17:42] <pingouin> 8.7 ?!
• 3471[22:17:55] <pingouin> when ? how ? what ? :)
• 3472[22:18:08] <pingouin> i got 8.6 almost fresh install :)
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• 3474[22:18:29] <grawity> -b isn't for boot as in the "boot process"; it's for boot as in "the entire current session"
• 3475[22:18:43] <grawity> so at least part of the last shutdown logs would be in `journalctl -b -1`
• 3476[22:18:49] <grawity> that being the previous boot
• 3477[22:19:31] <pingouin> hmm let's check that...thank you grawity (it working against me...)
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• 3479[22:19:57] <Phanes> i hate doing this but i'm no longer donating money to the org as long as this lsb thing is going on
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• 3482[22:20:32] <Phanes> this was a bad call
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• 3484[22:20:47] <pingouin> hmm the journalctl -b -1 cant's be adressed
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• 3486[22:22:44] <pingouin> hmm journalctl --list-boots give me only : 0 the current boot
• 3487[22:22:51] <pingouin> some option somewhere surely
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• 3489[22:23:35] <awal1> How to prevent firefox from loading flash/html5 multimedia content until I focus the tab as chromium does without extra addons?
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• 3503[22:32:04] <awal1> well, don't load it at all is better, even after focusing window/tab
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• 3507[22:32:56] <awal1> I mean don't play it. firefox plays html5 videos automatically :(
• 3508[22:33:35] <mtn> awal1: is there a html control addon?
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• 3511[22:34:15] <awal1> mtn, time ago I was using flashblock but it was buggy with html5
• 3512[22:34:40] <mtn> awal1: I thought I remembered one, but not sure that is it or not
• 3513[22:35:00] <awal1> mtn, should be xul-ext-flashblock yeah
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• 3515[22:35:31] <awal1> but a bit broken with html5
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• 3517[22:35:52] <mtn> awal1: this one might work: replaced-url
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• 3520[22:36:20] <pingouin> awal1: about:config media.autoplay.enabled
• 3521[22:36:23] <pingouin> try this one
• 3522[22:36:24] <pingouin> maybe
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• 3524[22:37:46] <awal1> mtn, thanks, but I have seen that addon yet and pingouin also I have seen that work around suggested somewhere in mozilla forum
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• 3527[22:38:42] <pingouin> value true to false not working ?
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• 3530[22:39:03] <awal1> looks like there isn't an official/clean way without addons for now
• 3531[22:39:13] <awal1> pingouin, not always
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• 3533[22:39:24] <awal1> I tried it
• 3534[22:39:25] <pingouin> fill a bug report
• 3535[22:39:41] <pingouin> it's should be an clean option in preferences
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• 3537[22:40:02] <pingouin> firefox lost is way running race with chrome :/
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• 3539[22:40:38] <pingouin> it still can't handle jack audio :/ 2017...bravo
• 3540[22:41:24] <awal1> pingouin, I dont think a bug report will really help since the issue is widely discussed in mozilla forums
• 3541[22:41:37] <pingouin> so use chrome
• 3542[22:41:43] <pingouin> or chromium
• 3543[22:42:03] <pingouin> easy way, as everybody talk about this on forum
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• 3546[22:42:52] <awal1> chromium also plays html5 videos automatically. the difference vs firefox is that chromium only plays it once you jump to that tab with html5 video/audio
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• 3548[22:43:49] <awal1> so really no difference compared to ff
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• 3551[22:44:29] <pingouin> i say : maybe 1000 bug report for the same request....
• 3552[22:44:34] <pingouin> ...maybe...
• 3553[22:44:47] <pingouin> it's a way to ask :)
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• 3559[22:47:41] <awal1> I guess autoplay will be disabled someday
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• 3562[22:48:30] <pingouin> dev doesnt think like that :)
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• 3568[22:50:43] <awal1> well, if you are in youtube, it's like "normal" to autoplay, but not in other websites
• 3569[22:50:49] <pingouin> how long wheezy will be supported ?
• 3570[22:51:18] <awal1> dpkg: wheezy lts
• 3571[22:51:18] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
• 3572[22:51:22] <pingouin> yeah for others it normal that it's autoplay
• 3573[22:51:38] <pingouin> yeah i msg dpkg but no answer...
• 3574[22:51:50] <pingouin> lazy bot, or syntax error...
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• 3578[22:52:27] <awal1> bot works for me
• 3579[22:52:33] <pingouin> hmmm i guess i maybe switching back from jessie to wheezy
• 3580[22:52:50] <awal1> bcuz?
• 3581[22:53:37] <pingouin> my soundcard doesnt work anymore as well as under wheezy, and systemd is... yeah let not troll here
• 3582[22:54:50] <pingouin> i regret my upgrade....did it 3 weeks ago should have not
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• 3584[22:55:32] <awal1> if you have real technical arguments against systemd no problem, but if tt's just vs vs that will be trolling :P
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• 3591[22:56:39] <pingouin> i'm not ready yet, dont know how it works
• 3592[22:56:53] <pingouin> and i dont care the fast boot :)
• 3593[22:57:13] <n4dir> why is the info that boot hangs or shutdown hangs not a technical argument against it?
• 3594[22:57:33] <n4dir> can't remember i ever had such problems before
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• 3597[22:58:50] <awal1> that's bcux, usually, x process/service won't stop cleanly
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• 3599[22:59:06] <n4dir> that might be, or not. Just saying that i never ever had such problems
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• 3601[22:59:37] <awal1> so it's like a fault of that process/service, not completely systemd
• 3602[23:00:14] <n4dir> yeah, but other init systems can handle it. So no, that info is not trolling.
• 3603[23:00:34] <awal1> I have been told that if it weas sysvinit, sysvinit will just kill that service/process
• 3604[23:00:35] <n4dir> well: here anything is considered trolling, as soon systemd is involved. I will shut up.
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• 3608[23:01:24] <awal1> n4dir, for me no problem :)
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• 3611[23:01:48] <pingouin> lucky you :)
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• 3613[23:02:38] <awal1> what I understood is that systemd tries to kill the process which won't stop in a clean way, with delay; sysvinit is like brut force, if it doesn't stop, it kills it and problem solved
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• 3616[23:03:18] <grawity> yeah good luck doing that while a database is trying to flush updates to disk
• 3617[23:04:05] <teraflops> the default timeout is 90 secs
• 3618[23:04:59] <awal1> enabling debugging for systemd or just remove 'quiet' from from cmdline, one can find why the system hangs sometimes, the service preventing shutdown/boot will be resalted by systemd
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• 3620[23:05:09] <awal1> no is 120 s
• 3621[23:05:12] <teraflops> idk if the press crtl+alt+supr 7 times in 2 secs works in debian jessie
• 3622[23:05:14] <awal1> now
• 3623[23:05:40] <awal1> in sid/stretch the delay has been increased to 130 s
• 3624[23:06:01] <awal1> timeout I mean
• 3625[23:06:57] <teraflops> good to know
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• 3627[23:07:16] <awal1> I don't know why systemd upstream did that
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