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38 [00:13:02] <bluenemo> sadly packagekit seems unmaintained too
@ jmcnaught hermande and Tenkawa..
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48 [00:20:02] <jmcnaught> bluenemo: are you dealing with this
because sometimes you try to install something and it fails because
unattended-upgrades (or something like it) is already working and
has the lock?
49 [00:20:47] <bluenemo> jmcnaught, no, I just want to run many
ansible tasks that run apt at the same time, and I want them to
"wait for each other"
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51 [00:21:35] <bluenemo> so I'm looking for a tool that
deals with the dpkg lock I assume.. there are multiple ways to
install things (apt install, apt-get install, gui managers, dpkg -i
foo.deb, ...)
52 [00:21:59] <bluenemo> basically my problem is this:
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80 [00:41:10] <user> hello
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83 [00:41:58] <user> anyone here?
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85 [00:42:52] <mutante> user: many people but they are usually
waiting for questions
86 [00:43:04] <mutante> !ask
87 [00:43:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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90 [00:44:40] <user> thatś good, i have a shit ton of questions
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99 [00:47:02] <user> anyone have experience with Parrot?
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101 [00:47:58] <mutante> user: i recommend asking the actual
question you have about it. people almost never will reply
"yes, i do" to that kind of open question.. but they will
reply to specific problems
102 [00:48:41] <phogg> Parrot the old Perl6 runtime?
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108 [00:50:52] <user> thanks mutante, im super newb with the
whole thing. I just downloaded it and iḿ looking for a starting
point for how to build up penetration testing
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110 [00:52:46] <jmcnaught> !parrot
111 [00:52:46] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
112 [00:52:56] <mutante> user: i see it's a distribution.
unfortunately that isn
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114 [00:53:34] <mutante> user: unfortunately there won't be
support for it since it's not Debian. but you could probably
just use Debian and install the same pentesting tools
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116 [00:54:23] <mutante> then you would get support for it
117 [00:55:38] <user> thanks dkpg
118 [00:55:54] <user> what is debian??
119 [00:56:13] <mutante> user: the Linux distribution that this
channel is about and that Parrot uses
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121 [00:56:47] <user> right, but what is it
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124 [00:57:31] <mutante> user:
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128 [00:58:24] <mutante> user: it's a very large and old
distribution that many others use as a base and as opposed to other
large ones like Redhat or Suse there is no company behind it
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132 [01:00:19] <phogg> Debian is the king of all distributions.
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134 [01:00:27] <phogg> Older, wiser, bigger, better.
135 [01:01:20] <dax> slackware glares at phogg from across the
room
136 [01:01:37] <Resilience> I have one question, my debian does
_not_show kernel messages at start upp, but an animated spash
screen, ow can I bring back the kernel messages at boot time and at
shut down?
137 [01:01:47] <phogg> dax: hey slack is great, but it only ticks
the "older" box
138 [01:01:57] <dax> phogg: true
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141 [01:04:51] <phogg> Resilience: I can't recall how many
of those there are, but plymouth is one. I imagine it has
configuration, or could be removed.
142 [01:05:03] <EmleyMoor> I've got both a package and a
local install of qemu - is there a way to remove the package one but
keep its dependants installed?
143 [01:06:44] <Resilience> phogg, well, but I suppose it is
something about systemd, right? or unistall plymoituh and yet is
done, by the way, how they are this type of programs called?
144 [01:07:22] <phogg> Resilience: I'm not sure. I
don't use them.
145 [01:08:40] <Resilience> phme neither, it was some kind of
evil developer who thought it should be in my system :P
146 [01:09:13] <dax> i vaguely recall adding "nosplash"
to the kernel cmdline used to turn that stuff off
147 [01:09:28] <Resilience> dax, mmmmm grub maybe?
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150 [01:09:57] <dax> yeah, either by hitting e at the grub
prompt, or going into /etc/default/grub, editing the
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line, and then running update-grub
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153 [01:10:22] <Resilience> dax, oh, thanks
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155 [01:10:34] <Resilience> and phogg thanks to you too
156 [01:11:27] <dax> try it before thanking me, i'm
remembering this from half a decade ago and might be wrong :)
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159 [01:12:37] <Resilience> dax, I modify so few times the grub
loader, that I even can¡t remeber how to do it
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243 [02:18:56] <samantha-> is there a howto somewhere that will
tell me how to force grub2 to use a specific uuid for root?
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372 [04:05:51] <un214> does AppArmor do anything useful if
I'm not willing to tend to it? Shall I just uninstall?
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374 [04:06:02] <un214> It's no by default now
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401 [04:15:58] <pennTeller> Hi guys what is your top reason as to
why Debian is king?
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403 [04:16:22] <Sveta> stability, easy to use and customize
404 [04:16:27] <Sveta> what about you
405 [04:16:28] <un214> because packages sit and work in the
repository about a decade after they lost a maintainer
406 [04:16:37] <un214> c.f. lilo
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412 [04:25:11] <pennTeller> Thanks
413 [04:25:40] <Sveta> no worries pennTeller , what are you up to
anyway? what brings you to debian?
414 [04:27:37] <pennTeller> Sveta: Not much, I am building a
smart mirror using Debian and felt like coming to the channel
415 [04:28:11] <pennTeller> I don't know if I am dm you
correctly I am on my phone
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428 [04:37:46] <AnononA> Hi all was wondering after recent driver
install nvidia with headers through stretch backports say if i
wanted to go testing unstable would i use purge command for the
installed driver
429 [04:38:16] <AnononA> if i wanted to wipe them completly
headers and all for current installed
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441 [04:48:18] <AnononA> hope im explaining myself correctly...
would i use purge in debain to completly uninstall drivers
442 [04:48:34] <AnononA> would it uninstall headers aswell
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444 [04:50:00] <magic_ninja> So I'm under the impression
that if I install stable, and enable backports, I will have to
specify a package from backports, right?
445 [04:50:27] <magic_ninja> Erm, during an install.
446 [04:51:05] <AnononA> you wont have to using -t command or
anything if you apt update it will know they exist then when you say
install package it will use the right repos
447 [04:51:38] <AnononA> hence why apt update is important
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451 [04:54:06] <AnononA> are you using apt-get, apt or aptitude
452 [04:55:11] <magic_ninja> I usually use apt-get
453 [04:55:33] <AnononA> try use apt its abit more sophisticated
at dealing with problems
454 [04:55:35] <magic_ninja> I don't necessarily need
anything from back ports, unless I specify it.
455 [04:55:49] <AnononA> but aptitude in my experiance has been
better then both
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457 [04:56:28] <magic_ninja> Which one is the primary
458 [04:56:39] <magic_ninja> I would say aptitude probably?
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460 [04:57:35] <AnononA> you can go that route but depends what
specify means.... so when using apt or apt-get you can use
parameter's to specify use stretch packports
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462 [04:57:51] <AnononA> primary is apt-get and apt but i
reccommend apptitude
463 [04:58:01] <AnononA> you may have to install aptitude aswell
464 [04:58:18] <magic_ninja> I just remember using apt-get back
in the day.
465 [04:58:48] <AnononA> apt and apt-get already there to use apt
is better then apt-get and apptitude provides solutions
466 [04:59:09] <AnononA> same man recently ive learnt all this
and apptitude has saved the day plenty time now
467 [05:00:02] <AnononA> some will say depends what your doing
witch it does and if you know apt-get down to its core then you may
never need to use anything else but not always the case
468 [05:00:28] <rant> I have a Lenovo T440 with hybrid bt/wifi
03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260
[8086:08b2] (rev 83) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Dual Band
Wireless-AC 7260 [8086:c270] and I only recently installed bluetooth
packages and realized unlike the wifi, which nm remembers the last
state, bluetooth seems to always be enabled on boot. I'm
wondering if this significantly reduces my battery
469 [05:00:34] <rant> life
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472 [05:01:08] <AnononA> if you dont use it disable at startup or
bios man disable it from in there
473 [05:01:15] <AnononA> and i doubt its gunna reduce it heaps
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475 [05:01:49] <AnononA> there alot more eco power saving
mechanisms n hardware these days
476 [05:02:13] <AnononA> if you dont use it then disable from
bios
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479 [05:02:45] <AnononA> youll see the diffrence if it really
sucks some power
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481 [05:03:32] <rant> yes this machine has great battery life and
the wireless card mentions a lot of power saving features
482 [05:03:55] <rant> I just wasnt sure how I could really tell..
BT seems to significantly reduce an android phone's battery
life
483 [05:04:34] <AnononA> yeah there batterys are equivalent to a
vaperizer
484 [05:04:38] <AnononA> tho
485 [05:05:03] <AnononA> with your lenovo a power profile would
probs be the way to go
486 [05:05:12] <AnononA> if you use bluetooth
487 [05:05:31] <rant> this laptop has two batteries in it.. the
internal 24Wh and the external 72Wh
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489 [05:05:39] <AnononA> wow
490 [05:06:27] <AnononA> i wouldnt worry to much about the
bluetooth if you need to know check the model of bluetooth wifi card
specs and see how much it actually draws
491 [05:06:32] <AnononA> manufacture website
492 [05:06:44] <rant> yeah the battery life is execellent.. I
just will rarely if ever use bluetooth and I noticed unlike the wifi
which network-manager remembers the last state and I usually turn it
off when I leave, the BT doesnt and seems to always start enabled
493 [05:07:34] <rant> well also I'm not too familiar with BT
but I'd imagine if its not discoverable or searching for
devices it shouldnt really be using much power anyhow
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496 [05:08:11] <rant> or paired/connected to anything
497 [05:08:12] <AnononA> correct wifi card would use more ...ok
check in your bios if you can disable it from in there that will
disable the card directly
498 [05:08:22] <AnononA> and it wont function no matter what os
you run
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501 [05:08:59] <AnononA> then when you want it simple bios enable
option
502 [05:09:13] <rant> yeah I doubt it.. and wouldnt wanna totally
disable it.. just maybe have it default off if there is any
significant power draw
503 [05:10:18] <rant> unfortunately unlike the old t-series these
dont have the actual hw switches
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513 [05:14:02] <AnononA> oh ok
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516 [05:15:25] <rant> I could probably get 12hrs or more with
wifi on this machine so its not a huge deal, but I also like to just
bug out for long periods of time and use this to charge other things
like my mobile as well
517 [05:16:05] <AnononA> not sure if you can use ifocnifg to
diable the adapter
518 [05:16:20] <rant> you'd more than likely use rfkill
519 [05:16:32] <rant> but I can use whatever bt crap I installed
that has a panel applet too
520 [05:16:38] <AnononA>
replaced-url
521 [05:16:54] <AnononA> was just about to suggest that
522 [05:17:00] <AnononA> beet me to it lol
523 [05:17:27] <rant> yeah I been using this system nearly 20
years.. I just dont really have experience with BT
524 [05:17:43] <rant> BT accessories were always a lil too rich
for my blood
525 [05:17:46] <AnononA> well that link will get you started for
search terms n what not
526 [05:18:01] <rant> I always wanted a BT keyboard but they were
always rather expensive
527 [05:18:20] <magic_ninja> What about a
"system-restore" type utility? Any suggestions there?
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529 [05:19:11] <rant> magic_ninja: you mean as in disk imaging
backup and restore or something retarded like windows restore points
in the registry?
530 [05:19:17] <AnononA> as in go back to a state where its not
installed
531 [05:19:47] <AnononA> lol
532 [05:19:49] <magic_ninja> something akin to windows system
restore. Not an actual disk image / backup
533 [05:20:02] <AnononA> this is debian channel
534 [05:20:05] <rant> yeah probably not likely to happen
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536 [05:20:32] <rant> most backup and restore software in linux
is at the FS or block level.. dd, lvm snapshots, etc..
537 [05:21:04] <rant> proprietary systems where every single one
of them is the same, its a bit easier to make something like that
538 [05:21:34] <magic_ninja> Are we not allowed to speak about
debian administration practices?
539 [05:21:37] <rant> not even every one of the hundreds of
debian based systems are the same.. not even every debian machine
itself is the same
540 [05:22:01] <AnononA> hey rant:
replaced-url
541 [05:22:07] <rant> this is why the only reliable method of
restore that makes sense is something that underlies all that
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543 [05:22:38] <AnononA> theres alot of utils in that link
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545 [05:22:52] <AnononA> maybe that will help so see just how
much its useing
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547 [05:23:29] <rant> yeah in theory.. but in my experience
unless its using quite a bit or has a specific process to monitor,
not really
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550 [05:24:31] <rant> If I were to unplug this ac cord right now
it says I have over 17hrs of power remaining, sometimes it says over
12,000 hours..
551 [05:24:32] <magic_ninja> Well, this is just a desktop. I was
just looking for something to undo a botched update or package
install that for some reason broke things.
552 [05:24:34] <Mystified1234> need some help with mxlinux unable
to stat ssh sudo systemctl status ssh " Failed to get
properties: No such interface '' "
553 [05:24:38] <rant> that shit is all guess work at best :P
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555 [05:25:15] <magic_ninja> rant, that is kinda strange. I
wonder how it is collecting the data.
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557 [05:25:30] <magic_ninja> Either that, or it is being vary
precise with its readings.
558 [05:25:53] <Mystified1234> sudo systemctl start ssh Failed to
start ssh.service: Unknown unit: ssh.service
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560 [05:26:21] <rant> magic_ninja: as a general rule, we have no
means of going backward officially with the deb package system..
other than restoring a backup.. but aptitude is really good at
coming up with solutions until you hear something you like when
SHTF, and if upgrades/installs alone were your main concern,
customizing something wouldn't be all that difficult
561 [05:27:27] <rant> magic_ninja: you gotta understand for most
people on a desktop/workstation their largest disk usage is all
under /home the rest of the system where their OS lies will probably
stay between 4-32GB max so its not all that much to backup and
restore really
562 [05:27:30] <magic_ninja> rant, okay. I was looking at
Timeshift. Once again, not critical stuff here.
563 [05:28:06] <rant> !de usage
564 [05:28:06] <dpkg> de usage is, like, The HDD/RAM usages of
the 7 Stretch DE on amd64 VirtualBoxes with 1GB RAM / 32GB HDD are
as follows as reported with only their terminals running df -Th and
free -h: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE
3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M
565 [05:29:29] <rant> smallest DE install is 2.9G largest is 4.2G
if you're a gamer you could have double that in games, but
things like crossover or steam or such would be installing to your
homedir and outside your package manager.. so really backing up and
restoring that small amount of data wouldn't be that cumbersome
to achieve
566 [05:29:54] <magic_ninja> That is for just the system, though,
right?
567 [05:30:18] <magic_ninja> So you make a / then /home and /swap
and just back up your /
568 [05:30:26] <rant> yes.. those sizes were fresh installs that
didnt yet have anything in /home
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570 [05:30:35] <rant> thats the idea basically
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573 [05:31:20] <rant> if you also run services which will have
large data outside of home you may want to configure them to use
something under /srv/ like /srv/samba or /srv/http and make that
seperate too
574 [05:31:27] <AnononA> maybe use service instead of systemctl
575 [05:32:13] <rant> Mystified1234: ssh is a client program, not
a service
576 [05:32:30] <AnononA> so startup options
577 [05:32:33] <rant> the server is often called openssh,
openssh-server, sshd, or such
578 [05:32:44] <Mystified1234> thanks
579 [05:32:49] <Mystified1234> its active
580 [05:35:14] <magic_ninja> Well, I'll look at that. I have
a few more things to consider as well.
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588 [05:44:34] <SZ[]> Hey fellas, Im having issues with grub not
displaying my newly compiled kernel
589 [05:44:44] <SZ[]> What prerequisites do you need before we
get to it?
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605 [06:01:09] <friendlyGoat> hello, im here to ask about rsync.
i have it on Debian and Xubuntu and thought it was all set up and
perfect. exactly what i needed really but now theres a problem. for
some reason with every sync, i lose a little more space. on my PC
the drive thats synced to my debian server has gone all the way down
to 12gb from 15 and my server itself somehow fell to 6 free
gigabytes. whats going on?
606 [06:01:53] <friendlyGoat> at its worst i got to 2 free
gigabytes.
607 [06:03:22] <magic_ninja> friendlyGoat, are you clearing out
old syncs as you go?
608 [06:03:41] <friendlyGoat> i dont know alot about rsync, what
do you mean old syncs?
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612 [06:04:14] <magic_ninja> I don't either. Basically, do
you have it clearing out old files it no longer needs or does it
constantly add?
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622 [06:10:45] <friendlyGoat> its supposed to clear out files it
doesnt need anymore i think, i have it so it deletes things that
arent in one or the other.
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626 [06:15:32] <magic_ninja> perhaps if you give a config file or
some indication of how it is set up someone can check it out for
you.
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631 [06:17:50] <friendlyGoat> sounds like a plan, someone in the
xubuntu chat knows a bit about and uses rsync and asked to see my
command, im gonna see how that goes.
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650 [06:32:19] <SZ[]> Can someone help me out with a grub issue?
651 [06:33:42] <diogenes_> !ask | SZ[]
652 [06:34:09] <diogenes_> nioe, doesn't work.
653 [06:34:49] <SZ[]> I compiled a new kernel and after running
dpkg -i Linux-image/headers I run update-grub2. It lists my new
kernel in the grub.cfg, but after restarting it is not in my grub
menu
654 [06:35:48] <SZ[]> Grub verion : 2.02+dfsg1-16 990
655 [06:35:58] <SZ[]> Debian Testing
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664 [06:41:47] <diogenes_> SZ[], maybe create:
/boot/grub/custom.cfg paste there your custom menu entry with initrd
and linux pointing at your kernel, e.g. linux /boot/vmlinuzxyz.
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676 [06:50:26] <OS-48818> hey,i am trying to register my nickname
and dont get any email after im writing the massage?can someone help
mw please?
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678 [06:51:36] <DEBlAN> k
679 [06:52:15] <at0m> OS-48818: email is just for password
recovery, and not mandatory, afaik. see also #freenode
680 [06:53:14] <magic_ninja> OS-48818, try /msg nickserv help
681 [06:53:53] <OS-48818> thanks a lot
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686 [06:55:59] <DEBlAN> guys can you help me out with udev rules
? i want to connect usb device that can expose itself with different
interfaces depending on "mode", for example as an sd-card
reader, or block device when in firmware flashing mode
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690 [07:00:56] <DEBlAN> anyone here ?
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733 [07:21:26] <SZ[]> My grub issue persists
734 [07:21:41] <SZ[]> I am also given the option to load kernel
4.9.0.8
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736 [07:21:52] <SZ[]> I do not know where it is getting that
kernel from
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742 [07:25:29] <SZ[]> OK lets start with the basics
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744 [07:26:19] <SZ[]> my /boot folder has my config,
initrdsystem.map, vmlinuz files in it
745 [07:26:49] <SZ[]> I compiled the kernel with make clean
&& make deb-pkg
746 [07:26:57] <SZ[]> I installed with dpkg -i
747 [07:27:28] <SZ[]> I ran update-grub2, It lists my kernel in
the cfg file
748 [07:27:43] <SZ[]> What is missing from this process
preventing my kernel from appearing in my grub menu
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771 [07:43:15] <dt3> /close
772 [07:43:21] <dt3> heh
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778 [07:47:44] <AnononA> can anyone tell me how to change the
lock screen image in debain 9.8 stretch do i just rename the
original and make it a svg format
779 [07:47:56] <AnononA> when i convert to svg it looses all the
colours
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818 [08:29:30] <dileks> hi. is #debian-systemd the correct irc
channel for systemd related stuff
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820 [08:30:11] <dileks> or where to ask?
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822 [08:33:55] <at0m> !systemd
823 [08:33:56] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for
Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a
replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology
preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init
system in Debian 8 "Jessie".
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824 [08:34:01] <at0m> dileks: ^
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832 [08:37:27] <dileks> at0m: thanks. there is only one guy
around. we have here problems on the systemd jessie update
215-17+deb8u12 with postgres 9.4. with postgres user having no
permissions to write to /var/run/postgresql/. a chown helped.
833 [08:37:57] <dileks> after reboot of the machine
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835 [08:39:15] <user> what is the default password for parrot?
836 [08:39:37] <at0m> !parrot
837 [08:39:37] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
838 [08:40:03] <user> thanks...
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861 [08:53:21] <AnononA> have you tried root toor
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863 [08:54:06] <AnononA> normally is usr root pss toor
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873 [09:00:12] <at0m> some advanced security right there. ideal
for new users, learn them to run everything as root
874 [09:00:19] <at0m> /s
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884 [09:04:39] <Mystified1234> can anyone help out with ssh
885 [09:04:40] <Mystified1234>
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918 [09:27:42] <at0m> Mystified1234: did you reinstall that
machine? is it possible that there was another machine on that IP
before?
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973 [09:57:24] <interrobangd> hello
974 [09:58:23] <interrobangd> which kernel modules are delivered
with the mainline kernel source and which with the debian dist.?
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976 [09:58:46] <interrobangd> where i can see it?
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988 [10:09:05] <EmleyMoor> I've got both a package and a
local install of qemu - is there a way to remove the package one but
keep its dependants installed?
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990 [10:09:27] <EmleyMoor> Alternatively how might I package qemu
4.0.0 for stretch?
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999 [10:14:24] <TTT> hi, I tried nordvpn app on my Debian
install, and uninstalled it, and now I cannot edit /etc/resolv.conf
even as root. How do I fix that
1000 [10:14:36] <TTT> I checked config for selinux or apparmor, I
don't see them protecting resolv.conf
1001 [10:14:56] <TTT> AFAIK there's some ACL config that
could prevent root from writing to a file, how do I check that?
1002 [10:15:04] <ayekat> EmleyMoor: you could write a meta-package
that depends on the dependencies you need
1003 [10:15:12] <ayekat> EmleyMoor: but I guess packaging it would
be cleaner
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1005 [10:15:33] <ayekat> TTT: getfacl
1006 [10:16:30] <TTT> # file: resolv.conf # owner: root # group:
root user::rw- group::r-- other::r--
1007 [10:16:32] <TTT> looks ok to me
1008 [10:17:01] <TTT> yet touch resolv.conf; touch: setting times
of 'resolv.conf': Operation not permitted
1009 [10:17:11] <EmleyMoor> I'm sure there's a factoid
on rebuilding a package with a new upstream source, but I can't
remember what to ask dpkg
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1013 [10:19:59] <ayekat> TTT: and getfattr?
1014 [10:20:34] <TTT> I don't have getfattr installed
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1016 [10:21:10] <TTT> let me get it
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1024 [10:24:26] <ayekat> TTT: then again I'm not sure wheter
that'll reveal more
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1027 [10:25:06] <TTT> I'm trying to get myself nordvpn deb,
to see what on earth it did, but I have to be online in 20 minutes
for a meeting, damn bad timing...
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1039 [10:39:41] <TTT> ayekat, damn, that thing only has elf
executables, no luck determining wtf it did
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1055 [10:47:33] <EmleyMoor> How do I apply Debian's patches,
where possible, to the new upstream? The instructions I've
found call for "dquilt" which seems to be non-existent
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1067 [10:55:24] <EmleyMoor> Anyone???
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1071 [10:58:46] <Erikano_Buzz0> Hello all!
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1076 [11:00:24] <HmpfCBR> Anyone else on LTS having problems with
permissions not being set on /var/run/postgresql since systemd
215-17+deb8u12?
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1113 [11:25:08] <at0m> HmpfCBR: dileks asked the same 3hrs ago. if
that's not you.
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1115 [11:25:38] <HmpfCBR> at0m: nope that was not me. I check the
backlog thanks.
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1121 [11:30:43] <jmabsd> do you know how to tap the BIOS password
from /dev/nvram?
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1142 [11:35:25] <jmabsd> ah, "cmospwd" exists for Linux
and is packaged, let's try.
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1148 [11:41:48] <at0m> jmabsd: and nvramtool can dump all
contents, too, though i haven't tried
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1161 [11:50:45] <Brawcks> Hi guys, i'm facing a problem
actually for which i can't find a solution (i did some
research, but stil blocked, i can't understand)
1162 [11:50:48] <Brawcks> E: Release file for
replaced-url
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1164 [11:51:33] <Brawcks> this error happen when i do an apt
update, can't find the fix
1165 [11:51:40] <Brawcks> any ideas ? Thanks
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1171 [11:52:42] <Brawcks> i have this in my
/etc/apt/source.list.d/backports.conf :
1172 [11:52:54] <Brawcks> .list *
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1176 [11:53:03] <Brawcks> deb
replaced-url
1177 [11:53:30] <colo-work> jessie backports are dead. upgrade to
stretch.
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1179 [11:55:19] <Brawcks> Oh, ok !
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1181 [11:55:50] <Brawcks> There is no possibility to stay on
jessie ?
1182 [11:55:59] <towo^work> sure
1183 [11:56:10] <towo^work> but only without backports
1184 [11:56:11] <colo-work> jessie, without backports, will have
LTS support until 2020
1185 [11:56:33] <colo-work> but you should consider upgrading to
stretch. stretch's successor will be released in the forseeable
future.
1186 [11:57:35] <Brawcks> Ok, i'll keep it in mind, just some
dependancies to fix first, its for an old production server on
jessie 8.10, and it would be hard to change it fast. I'll try
without backports first
1187 [11:57:43] <Brawcks> Thanks for help :)
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1226 [12:26:44] <sufy> hello anyone of the opinion buster is good
to go if you want to test?
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1239 [12:33:53] <themill> sufy: yes, buster is well into the
freeze and there will only be small changes between now and release
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1258 [12:46:37] <maelcum> hello. are there any plans to remove
ifupdown, before i go and build something on top of it and will have
to rewrite it later?
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1262 [12:50:22] <d0x0b> Hello, i've installed
xen-system-amd64 on my debian 9 when I try to boot the system I am
getting following error:
replaced-url
1263 [12:50:23] <epsilon> don't think it will disappear soon,
but you'll find equivalent of each command with ip
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1266 [12:51:26] <maelcum> epsilon: not really, i saw such a table.
ip won't restart wpa_supplicant for you after a flakly wifi
connection reappears, and such. although i guess most such things
could be done via ifplugd.
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1269 [12:52:38] <maelcum> they are really very different -
/etc/network/interfaces (which is only interpreted by ifupdown
afaik) describes a state, ip makes state changes
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1274 [12:54:26] <epsilon> wait, i have mistaken ifupdown with
net-tools (containing ifconfig)
1275 [12:55:25] <maelcum> you don't seem to be the only one.
this
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1277 [12:56:09] <maelcum> if something would replace it, it would
be network-manager or systemd-networkd (rather garbage that one)
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1282 [12:58:04] <epsilon> systemd is a master in failing bringing
up interfaces on bootup, no way I trust it
1283 [12:58:09] <hk238> hi, does anyone know of a program you can
use to create a bootable USB installer for debian?
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1285 [12:58:54] <epsilon> hk238: that install image from
debian.org?
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1287 [12:59:15] <hk238> you can make a bootable usb on debian.org?
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1289 [12:59:18] <maelcum> i've seen a very strange bug with
systemd-networkd on an embedded system whose kernel had all the
features enabled that are supposedly necessary according to the
documentation, so... yeah
1290 [12:59:34] <lupulo> hk238 netbootin and the iso as saying
epsilon
1291 [13:01:02] <lupulo> hk238 netbootin format the iso to usb and
(the type of partition uefi or mbr)
1292 [13:01:11] <hk238> okay
1293 [13:01:27] <epsilon> hk238: the install images from
replaced-url
1294 [13:01:34] <lupulo> hk238
replaced-url
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1309 [13:06:36] <hk238> the debian package for netbootin seems to
be missing
1310 [13:07:03] <BCMM> lupulo: please don't recommend
unetbootin
1311 [13:07:07] <BCMM>
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1313 [13:07:36] <BCMM> hk238; lupulo: unetbootin basically tries
to do some kind of magic to turn CD images in to USB images
1314 [13:07:49] <hk238> Hmm so you can just copy the iso file on
the usb?
1315 [13:08:12] <BCMM> that's not necessary for debian
images, because they are already "hybrid" ISOs,
specifically designed to boot from USB *and* DVD
1316 [13:08:32] <BCMM> hk238: yes. debian iso images should be
written to usb without modification
1317 [13:09:08] <BCMM> the ability to use cp depends on a
relatively recent coreutils, i think. it's functionally
equivalent to using dd.
1318 [13:09:21] <hk238> Hmm so I guess you can also do that on
filemanager? Or do you need to do the cp version?
1319 [13:10:45] <BCMM> hk238: i wouldn't try it in a file
manager. some tools might attempt to remove and recreate the file,
instead of writing in to the existing file
1320 [13:11:26] <BCMM> !unetbootin
1321 [13:11:26] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
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1322 [13:11:28] <BCMM> !hybrid images
1323 [13:11:41] <hk238> I was thinking about juts copy pasting the
file
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1327 [13:12:26] <BCMM> hk238: pasting it where, exactly?
1328 [13:12:32] <hk238> On the usb
1329 [13:13:02] <BCMM> hk238: you *don't* want to make a USB
stick with an FAT32 partition on it, and the iso stored as a file on
that filesystem
1330 [13:13:15] <BCMM> you want to actually write the contents of
the iso file to the raw block device
1331 [13:13:20] <tachikomas> Why not dd the iso to the usb ?
1332 [13:13:33] <hk238> okay I'll try the dd thing then
1333 [13:13:48] <hk238> I'm just trying to avoid using
commandline commands when possible because it tends to get
unnecessarily c omplicated
1334 [13:13:55] <BCMM> hk238: i was about to ask the same
question: what's wrong with just using dd? are you trying to
create this usb on debian, or some other OS?
1335 [13:14:05] <tachikomas> dd if=/somewhere/iso.iso
of=/dev/USBDRIVE bs=4M
1336 [13:14:35] <BCMM> hk238: if you *really* want a GUI, etcher
should do the right thing. but i don't think that's
available in debian's repos.
1337 [13:14:58] <tachikomas> hk238: Why a gui for only one command
?
1338 [13:15:33] <hk238> well it would be convenient if I download
the iso and then do something like right click and select create Usb
1339 [13:15:51] <tachikomas> hk238: Not really.
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1341 [13:16:03] <tachikomas> what if i dont want to create usb
each time i have an iso ?
1342 [13:16:03] <hk238> isntead of googling how to create USB on
debian, and finding some place that reads what the commandline
command is, and how to figure out what the device is called and all
that
1343 [13:16:17] <tachikomas> lsblk
1344 [13:16:23] <tachikomas> then dd it.
1345 [13:16:25] <hk238> but anyway I'm doing the dd thing now
1346 [13:16:30] <hk238> so what's lsblk?
1347 [13:16:31] <BCMM> hk238: honestly, i think you need to accept
that creating a bootable USB stick is kind of an advanced task
1348 [13:16:37] <BCMM> not something a typical user does every
day!
1349 [13:17:00] <hk238> right, but it's only advanced because
you're using the commandline for that? :D
1350 [13:17:22] <tachikomas> hk238: do you need it everyday ?
1351 [13:17:39] <hk238> I'm just pointing out it's more
convenient, that's all
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1354 [13:19:01] <hk238> so do I write sdb or sdb1? Both are
pointing to the USB? I think the sdb1 is a logical partition, so
probably the non-partition part as in sdb?
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1357 [13:20:29] <hk238> It seems to be working
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1359 [13:21:57] <tachikomas> your device is sda / sdb / sdc etc...
1360 [13:22:10] <tachikomas> sda1 sda2 etc... are partition on sda
device
1361 [13:23:30] <hk238> I wrote /dev/sdb and it seems to be doing
something so I think it's working it's the 3.7gb
firmware.iso (someone linked on this channel earlier) so it's
going to a while
1362 [13:24:06] <hk238> I have a poorly working wifi device on my
2nd computer, the connection tends to drop without installing some
driver first, so the net install failed last time I tried that
1363 [13:24:13] <hk238> but this should finish even if the wifi
device stops working
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1366 [13:27:30] <tachikomas> if you do have a full iso you should
have a debian installed with the packages from the iso, be aware
they might be outdated
1367 [13:27:50] <tachikomas> you can ask to install without doing
the update
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1371 [13:28:51] <hk238> I was thinking I'd try to fix the
wifi after the install and then update
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1373 [13:30:09] <tachikomas> what is your wifi issue exactly >
1374 [13:30:10] <tachikomas> ?
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1376 [13:30:50] <hk238> it needs to get some sort of patch
otherwise the connection hangs
1377 [13:31:07] <hk238> I knew the details at some point but I
don't remember them anymore
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1386 [13:38:01] <hk238> Basically it had something to do with the
device's own driver had some problem, which had some sort of
error like, there was a wrong ID for the device or something like
that. So the computer would sort of 'forget' what the
device is, and you'd need to refresh it. But during the time it
takes to install an OS, it's too long and the device loses
connection
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1388 [13:38:39] <hk238> there was some patch called something like
8903ci or something which was supposed to fix it, I don't
remember the details anymore. I could look up the name of the device
if I have the cardboard box somewhere lying around, it's not
written on the device itself
1389 [13:38:53] <hk238> but anyway just starting the installer so
far so good
1390 [13:40:03] <tachikomas> hk238: see :) not that hard
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1401 [13:43:24] <EdePopede> hk238: GUI file managers are now way
more convenient. i use UUID on my HD partitions, mount them into
properly numbered subdirectories in /media. file managers only show
me their size, there's no way i can find out which is which.
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1404 [13:44:00] <hk238> 'now' or 'no'?
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1407 [13:44:33] <EdePopede> definitely no. imagine you have some
1TB partitions, and that's the only info the fm gives you. now
mount #2.
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1410 [13:45:16] <hk238> I fail to see how I would have 1TB
partitions
1411 [13:45:54] <hk238> But okay, maybe for someone who does, that
makes sense
1412 [13:46:13] <EdePopede> and maybe it would be possible to add
arbitrary actions to the context menu on file types depending on
which fm you use. but someone still would have to do it first.
1413 [13:46:42] <EdePopede> hk238: it isn't really unusual to
install more than one partition on a harddisk.
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1415 [13:47:50] <tachikomas> hk238: Actually, you can code that
feature if you want.
1416 [13:47:54] <EdePopede> i prefer to have one "small"
partition causing trouble instead of one spanning the whole disk.
had arbitrary freezes in the past, so i'm careful.
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1418 [13:48:17] <hk238> Now.. Which DE to choose :
1419 [13:48:28] <epsilon> it should be normal at least to separate
var, home, root
1420 [13:48:30] <tachikomas> depend what you want ?
1421 [13:48:38] <EdePopede> which one you prefer and which one
works best on the PC
1422 [13:48:42] <hk238> Hmm I don't know. I think I could go
with Mate
1423 [13:48:50] <tachikomas> than go to mate.
1424 [13:48:59] <hk238> It's not a super computer so KDE is
probably too heavy. I find gnome a bit fishy with the javascript
stuff
1425 [13:49:14] <epsilon> hk238: to try out, use debian live
images
1426 [13:49:32] <EdePopede> i've read some days ago that KDE
$thingy (the 5) is better in ressources, but no idea.
1427 [13:49:36] <tachikomas> hk238: what kind of computer is it ?
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1430 [13:50:00] <hk238> speaking of all that I should also
re-install this computer but this is tedious with deciding what
stuff I'd like to keep or not. It's a computer I got for
30$
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1432 [13:50:19] <tachikomas> EdePopede: compared to what ? The
older version ?
1433 [13:50:23] <hk238> Which was amazing because it has an SSD HD
but I think it has motherboard graphics
1434 [13:50:30] <EdePopede> tachikomas: that's how i
understood it
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1436 [13:51:18] <tachikomas> hk238: if you feel tilling you could
try i3
1437 [13:51:23] <hk238> hmm the installer may have frozen again,
because it configured the network thing anyway. I'll restart
and try and disable the network
1438 [13:51:35] <hk238> What's i3?
1439 [13:51:39] <EdePopede> but i didn't touch it after KDE3
(iirc). only installed one (3 or 4, don't remember) on
someone's PC. he has no clue about how to use such a develish
apparatus besides "press the button" so it was ok :)
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1441 [13:51:58] <hk238> I installed KDE on this one, liked it at
first, sort of, but then ended up not liking it very much
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1443 [13:52:10] <EdePopede> hk: if you feel i
1444 [13:52:13] <hk238> yeah I think the installer is stuck now
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1446 [13:52:36] <EdePopede> hk: if you feel like exploring you
could throw some other DE to your computer and figure out the
differences
1447 [13:53:00] <EdePopede> maybe some boot parameter to not look
for wifi
1448 [13:53:08] <hk238> yeah I feel this computer at least is a
complete mess, plus I think it's hacked and has some sort of
malware potentially, but for the most part I don't mind
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1450 [13:53:24] <tachikomas> hk238: some sort of malware where ?
1451 [13:53:32] <hk238> It's a long story
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1453 [13:54:27] <hk238> So to clarify Ihave 2 computers, I'm
chatting from the 'main' computer. I think it has some
sort of malware and I also think someone might have hacked it at
some point, but how come that's the case is a long story.
Anyway I'm installing the OS on the second computer, which has
the wifi issue. This one is connected by cable.
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1455 [13:54:53] <tachikomas> so, why not connecting the second one
by cable ?
1456 [13:55:07] <hk238> I don't have a cable, and I have a
wifi device
1457 [13:55:14] <EdePopede> hk238. something else someone
mentioned recently:
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1458 [13:55:19] <hk238> problem is the wifi device has some sort
of problem
1459 [13:55:30] <tachikomas> second if you boot from an usb drive,
its mostly unlikely that you have any security issue
1460 [13:55:33] <hk238> as has been discussed already
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1462 [13:55:40] <hk238> okay so now I need to figure out how to do
this install without network
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1464 [13:56:19] <atpa8a> hello
1465 [13:56:20] <tachikomas> disconnect the wifi ?
1466 [13:56:25] <hk238> I guessI could disconnect the device
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1468 [13:56:37] <tachikomas> remove the cable from your first
computer and plug it on the second
1469 [13:56:46] <hk238> the cable doesn' treach that far
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1471 [13:57:05] <hk238> and it seems it like it should be possible
to just install this using the USB in the first place
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1473 [13:57:24] <no_gravity> I often wish I could do "less
1234.txt" and then while reading 1234.txt press rightarrow to
switch to 1235.txt and left arrow to switch to 1233.txt. Any ideas
how to realize this?
1474 [13:57:43] <EdePopede> i bought a 15m eth cable when i first
had 2 working PCs around, wasn't *that* expensive. didn't
have to use this one for years, but it's still there.
can't be wrong having one.
1475 [13:57:44] <atpa8a> which "framework" for network
initialization is used in stretch? my wifi connects but doesn't
set the search domains in resolv.conf
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1477 [13:57:52] <tachikomas> no_gravity: use vim
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1479 [13:58:06] <tachikomas> or ranger as a terminal file manager
1480 [13:58:14] <no_gravity> tachikomas: How would you realize it
with vim?
1481 [13:58:40] <tachikomas> no_gravity: plugins ? macro ?
1482 [13:58:51] <EdePopede> no_gravity: or mc in a terminal. C-q
opens a quickview on the "other" panel.
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1484 [13:59:04] <atpa8a> vim 123*.txt :bn
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1486 [13:59:35] <no_gravity> EdePopede: But I don't want C-q.
I want right-arrow to go to the next text file and left arrow to go
to the previous.
1487 [14:00:19] <EdePopede> no_gravity: your choice of tools
depends of what hotkeys they use?
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1490 [14:00:39] <hk238> I disconnected the wifi device manually
and the installation process seems to work so far
1491 [14:00:41] <EdePopede> open the view and you can scroll
through the file list
1492 [14:00:53] <tachikomas> atpa8a: on jessie ? maybe look around
systemd resolve
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1494 [14:01:25] <atpa8a> on stretch, not jessie
1495 [14:01:27] <hk238> no_gravity it seems to me that you also
use the arrows to move the cursor around, so that would be a bit
inconvenient? But I can see it would make sense, maybe something
like ctrl + right/left arrow
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1497 [14:01:53] <hk238> Also do you mean reading the next file
from the same folder as the source file, or moving between tabs of
already open files?
1498 [14:02:18] <no_gravity> hk238: Yeah, it would be nice if :n
could be mapped to ctrl+right.
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1500 [14:03:19] <atpa8a> no_gravity: i never needed to get that
specific with vim... but i think you should be able to remap the
keys
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1502 [14:03:50] <no_gravity> atpa8a: Sure, remapping is easy in
Vim. I have a ton of mappings.
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1504 [14:03:56] <no_gravity> atpa8a: But I would prefer to use
less.
1505 [14:04:42] <atpa8a> IIRC you can open multiple files with
less but not sure about key bindings to navigate
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1508 [14:05:05] <no_gravity> atpa8a: "less 123*" and
then :n for next and :p for previous.
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1510 [14:05:22] <no_gravity> atpa8a: But that means I have to
decide upfront which files to open.
1511 [14:05:36] <no_gravity> atpa8a: And :n/:p is not that
convenient.
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1516 [14:07:01] <pragomer> if bash completion know different
posibilities, it shows them in several columns (like I would do
"ls" without the "-l" option).
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1518 [14:07:30] <pragomer> can I change that, so that when I press
"tab, tab, tab...." to completion, all is shown in just
one column?
1519 [14:07:32] <domovoy> hi
1520 [14:08:08] <domovoy> trying to setup uwsgi-emperor, i get
permissions troubles:
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1524 [14:12:46] <hk238> the install was successful, yay
1525 [14:13:49] <hk238> I feel tempted to reinstall this computer
also :d
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1527 [14:15:32] <tachikomas> hk238: try to do a bit more command
line next time :) its always nice to dont rely on gui
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1533 [14:17:14] <dooteo> Hi there! I've got a computer with
internal 3 USB sound card
1534 [14:17:20] <dooteo> Sometimes one or more USB sound card does
not work, but there is no error message. They seems to be suspended.
1535 [14:17:27] <dooteo> Even I modify Debian Installer adding
"GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="usbcore.autosuspend=-1"
to /target/etc/default/grub && update-grub on targtet, once
installation is over, and computer rebooted, no USB sound card
sounds.
1536 [14:17:32] <tachikomas> dooteo: is it a laptop ?
1537 [14:17:35] <dooteo> sometimes I need to switch power off and
on computer again to check out that all USB sound cards work.
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1539 [14:18:02] <dooteo> No, it's an special computer with
DB9 connectors to sound output
1540 [14:18:04] <tachikomas> do you have any kind of powersaving
feature ? laptop mode tools ?
1541 [14:18:21] <dooteo> Desktop computer for Industrial Area
1542 [14:18:42] <dooteo> yep
1543 [14:18:50] <dooteo> it contains laptop-detect package
1544 [14:18:54] <tachikomas> then look into that :)
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1548 [14:19:18] <tachikomas> mainly laptopmodtools or other
powersaving feature deactivate the sound card after a while
1549 [14:19:32] <tachikomas> it might not getting out of sleep for
another reason
1550 [14:19:50] <dooteo> ok, let me check it!
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1552 [14:20:19] <tachikomas> look at something called
CONTROL_*_POWER=!
1553 [14:20:25] <tachikomas> *1
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1556 [14:20:47] <tachikomas> you can also autosuspend device
blacklist
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1561 [14:24:03] <EdePopede> hk238: if you suspect it to be
hacked/infected you maybe should. still could make a dump of the
system for later analysis.
1562 [14:24:31] <hk238> I think that sort of analysis is beyond my
skills here :D
1563 [14:24:50] <hk238> meanwhile I'm trying to figure out
how to add myself to sudoers group
1564 [14:25:04] <EdePopede> it's root's job
1565 [14:25:40] <hk238> also the network connection is not working
1566 [14:25:45] <hk238> how do I login as root from the terminal?
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1568 [14:26:45] <tachikomas> hk238: su root
1569 [14:27:02] <tachikomas> or su - root
1570 [14:27:24] <greycat> or Ctrl-Alt-F2
1571 [14:27:39] <divx> Came across
'rxvt-unicode-256color' in apt while trying to install
'rxvt-unicode'. I looked the package up, it says
"dummy transitional package for rxvt-unicode", I'm
guessing it can safely be ignored?
1572 [14:27:48] <tachikomas> greycat: why ?
1573 [14:27:58] <greycat> it's one of the ways to login as
root
1574 [14:28:06] <greycat> it even involves a terminal
1575 [14:28:10] <colo-work> divx, afair, urxvt has 256 color
support in the "vanilla" version nowadays
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1580 [14:28:43] <tachikomas> greycat: what is the point for a gui
user to open a pty root on his computer, especially since xserv
exist ? :D
1581 [14:28:53] <hk238> ok thanks managed to add myself in the
sudoers
1582 [14:29:08] <hk238> but now the wifi is not working and
I'm not sure how to fix it :p
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1584 [14:29:25] <divx> colo-work, alright thanks. Seems to be what
the Arch wiki was saying as well
1585 [14:29:54] <greycat> He asked "how do I login as root
from the terminal?"
1586 [14:30:14] <greycat> I gave a 100% valid answer. An answer I
have used myself. It's not a joke.
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1588 [14:30:59] <dooteo> tachikomas: there is only laptop-detect
installeds, but no other packs for laptop kind of computers.
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1590 [14:31:28] <dooteo> I found not confiration file at /etc/
with CONTROL or POWER keywords
1591 [14:31:45] <dooteo> I wanna m wrote "configuration
files"
1592 [14:31:53] <tachikomas> dooteo: are you using any DE ?
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1594 [14:32:19] <dooteo> no, it has just shell
1595 [14:32:26] <tachikomas> Do you have any sleep hooks or some
custom made systemd configuration ?
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1598 [14:33:34] <tachikomas> Do you use pulseaudio ?
1599 [14:33:37] <dooteo> There are some client systemd services,
but they does not set system as suspended
1600 [14:33:46] <dooteo> no, just ALSA
1601 [14:34:24] <dooteo> with same configuration, if I remove
power connector and plug it again, sound begins to work well
1602 [14:34:29] <tachikomas> Wait, its an usb powered device right
?
1603 [14:34:36] <tachikomas> usb device
1604 [14:34:48] <dooteo> Other feature is that / partition is
ReadOnly
1605 [14:35:10] <dooteo> USB Sound cards are internals,
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1607 [14:35:28] <tachikomas> what kernel are you on ?
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1610 [14:35:38] <tachikomas> 4.17+ ?
1611 [14:35:38] <dooteo> There is only DB9 connectors to send
sound to speakers
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1613 [14:35:58] <dooteo> 4.9.0-4
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1617 [14:36:46] <tachikomas> what you could try is a options
snd-hda-intel power_save=0 into /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf if
they use a HDA intel compatible device
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1619 [14:37:23] <dooteo> They use snd_usb_audio driver
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1622 [14:38:05] <dooteo> let me try "options snd_usb_audio
power_save=0" at that file
1623 [14:38:23] <tachikomas> might work
1624 [14:39:30] <dooteo> is not there some kind of option like
"usbcore.autosuspend=-1" for power?
1625 [14:39:39] <dooteo> to set into GRUB?
1626 [14:39:45] <tachikomas> not that i know.
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1631 [14:40:37] <tachikomas> your problem really look like a
powerfeature from the kernel. But its not written if usb_audio
support powermanagement
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1637 [14:45:59] <Shahnaz> anybody know if theres a s3fs channel?
1638 [14:46:29] <Shahnaz> if not, does somebody use s3fs + netapp
and has delay problems while coping files?
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1640 [14:46:50] <Shahnaz> ie. list takes a long time and it seems
it waits for another unrelated operation to finish
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1642 [14:47:44] <domovoy> trying to setup uwsgi-emperor, i get
permissions troubles:
replaced-url
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1644 [14:48:37] <atpa8a> ahh... seems like connman is what's
managing networks in stretch...
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1648 [14:50:10] <atpa8a> Apr 24 18:51:14 myhost connmand[317]:
Failed to set domainname to mydomain.net
1649 [14:50:17] <atpa8a> and there's my problem
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1657 [14:57:24] <dooteo> tachikomas: only one of three USB sound
cards is working
1658 [14:57:39] <dooteo> with "options snd_usb_audio
power_save=0"
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1661 [14:58:23] <dooteo> Other two are in silent
1662 [14:58:37] <tachikomas> mhh :/ no clue then.
1663 [14:58:50] <dooteo> Alsamixer is configured for all sound
card, volume output are set with -5 dB
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1667 [14:59:40] <tachikomas> Have you try another kernel ? might
be a driver issue for this one
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1669 [15:00:22] <dooteo> I tried with Linux Mint 19.1 LiveCD, and
the same issue
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1675 [15:03:16] <tachikomas> mhh... did you try with a 4.20+ ?
1676 [15:03:30] <tachikomas> if i remember well saw something
about usb in a change log before 4.20
1677 [15:03:36] <munshine> Hello! Beginner question: when I
install a new package, how does that work so it is (when available)
reachable from the shell? Is there a file somewhere linking commands
to binaries location?
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1680 [15:04:44] <tachikomas> munshine: we call it the path
1681 [15:04:54] <tachikomas> in a terminal do echo $PATH
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1683 [15:05:23] <tachikomas> each location are separetaed by a :
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1688 [15:07:03] <dooteo> tachikomas: Unfortunately, my company
decided we must use 4.9 until next big developing jump!
1689 [15:07:16] <munshine> haaa! Thanks tachikomas :)
1690 [15:07:25] <tachikomas> dooteo: I know that feeling
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1693 [15:08:11] <tachikomas> munshine: if you add any scripts
inside one of thoses folders, remember to make it executable :)
1694 [15:08:31] <tachikomas> chmod +x <myfile>
1695 [15:09:10] <munshine> haha you just anticipated my next
question! Thanks!
1696 [15:09:16] <tachikomas> :)
1697 [15:09:30] <tachikomas> i would recommend to place your own
scripts somewhere else
1698 [15:09:59] <tachikomas> and add that to the path
1699 [15:10:15] <tachikomas> OR place them in /usr/local/bin/
1700 [15:10:22] <tachikomas> avoid using /bin or /usr/bin
1701 [15:10:49] <tachikomas> just to keep it clean :)
1702 [15:12:15] <munshine> I was using this:
/home/munshine/.local/bin is that ok? That's for a python
script
1703 [15:12:30] <tachikomas> does it need to be executed only by
you ?
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1705 [15:12:32] <tachikomas> or system wide ?
1706 [15:12:34] <tachikomas> like root
1707 [15:12:38] <tachikomas> or sudo ?
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1709 [15:13:02] <tachikomas> you can definetly use that aswell
1710 [15:13:07] <dooteo> munshine: for your personal use, move
those scripts into $HOME/bin
1711 [15:13:08] <tachikomas> cd
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1713 [15:14:01] <dooteo> and modify $HOME/.bashrc to expand PATH
env var (see $HOME/.profile)
1714 [15:14:02] <greycat> A script that you're
writing/working on for personal use that isn't really ready for
a wider audience generally goes in $HOME/bin. When it's ready
for someone other than you to use, it can graduate to
/usr/local/bin.
1715 [15:14:22] <munshine> I'm trying to make a clean python
package, so ideally it's meant to be public and to be installed
by others.
1716 [15:14:42] <munshine> Ha ok! Wow, whole new world for me
1717 [15:14:54] <tachikomas> then /usr/local/bin
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1719 [15:15:08] <munshine> Ok! Thanks :)
1720 [15:15:11] <tachikomas> for the target would be nice.
1721 [15:15:13] <greycat> You'd want to ask #python about
python packages. I assume those are more involved than just a single
script in a single file that you run directly.
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1723 [15:16:12] <Oddmonger> hello, can someone tells me how to
start squid ?
1724 [15:16:45] <tachikomas> as a service ?
1725 [15:16:50] <Oddmonger> yes
1726 [15:17:04] <tachikomas> i would "systemctl start
squid.service"
1727 [15:17:07] <greycat> just installing the package should do
it, but Debian's packaging only uses RAM, not disk cache
1728 [15:17:25] <Oddmonger> its systemd service is broken, and
/etc/init.d/squid uses systemctl too
1729 [15:17:28] <greycat> if you want it to use disk cache, you
have to modify the configuration and possibly create the cache
structure (it's been a while)
1730 [15:17:38] <greycat> funny, it worked for me
1731 [15:18:01] <Oddmonger> maybe you are using squid4 in unstable
?
1732 [15:18:03] <greycat> yes, it does appear to use an init.d in
stretch
1733 [15:18:11] <greycat> Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/squid;
generated; vendor preset: enabled)
1734 [15:18:38] <greycat> what problem did you have with it
specifically?
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1738 [15:19:11] <Oddmonger> squid.service: PID file
/var/run/squid/squid.pid not readable
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1740 [15:19:50] <greycat> I have a /var/run/squid directory but
it's empty.
1741 [15:20:04] <Oddmonger> i tried and changed pid location in
squid.conf and in /etc/init.d/squid, but it is still searched at the
same place
1742 [15:20:55] <greycat> The only mention of squid.pid I see in
my squid.conf is commented out.
1743 [15:21:40] <greycat> So it's using the default
/var/run/squid.pid which I have as -rw-r--r-- 1 root proxy 5 Feb 19
09:48 /var/run/squid.pid
1744 [15:21:44] <Oddmonger> squid seems to start despite its error
(telnet localhost 3128, and then get is ok)
1745 [15:22:49] <Oddmonger> but it seems blocking (the shell is
blocked until i control-C), so i'm afraid of a start at boot
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1747 [15:23:02] <greycat> what shell?
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1749 [15:23:34] <Oddmonger> the shell from which i exec
«systemctl … » or «/etc/init.d/squid
start»
1750 [15:23:51] <greycat> so you're saying it didn't
start automatically at boot?
1751 [15:24:08] <colo-work> don't use/do
`/etc/init.d/something start`
1752 [15:24:15] <colo-work> use `service something start`
1753 [15:24:18] <greycat> maybe it's because of your modified
squid.pid location?
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1757 [15:25:05] <Oddmonger> i have removed the entry where i had
modified squid.pid location, as it didn't changed anything
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1759 [15:26:11] <Oddmonger> «service squid start» is
blocking too… it launches a squid instance, but don't
give back shell prompt
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1762 [15:26:58] <Oddmonger> and «journalctl -u squid»
shows it is using systemctl
1763 [15:27:12] <greycat> if you don't have any custom stuff
in squid.conf that you want to save, I would suggest you --purge the
package and reinstall it
1764 [15:27:25] <greycat> something's definitely screwy
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1766 [15:28:14] <humpled> i'm having a problem with /var/run
too, ownerships have changed and neither screen nor mpd will start
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1768 [15:28:34] <humpled> this is on debian 8 tho, on 9 they work
fine
1769 [15:28:55] <Oddmonger> it is «apt remove --purge»
for removing config, ok
1770 [15:29:00] <Oddmonger> didn't knew
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1772 [15:29:23] <greycat> I use "dpkg --purge" when
it's just one package and I don't also need automatic
dependency handling.
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1777 [15:30:08] <Oddmonger> ah, «apt purge» seems ok
too
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1781 [15:31:54] <Oddmonger> well, i have just reanabled my new pid
location (in /var/run/squid/ ), and now, systemctl starts squid
without errors…
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1788 [15:34:15] <Oddmonger> but for doing this, you'll have
to copy the generated squid.service (from
/run/systemd/generator…) into /etc/systemd/system , and then
1789 [15:34:45] <Oddmonger> remove: #SourcePath=/etc/init.d/squid
in [Unit]
1790 [15:34:47] <greycat> I didn't mess with any of that.
I'm just using the stretch package with its init.d script.
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1793 [15:35:26] <Oddmonger> well, i must have missed a thing, but
on fresh start, it didn't start
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1795 [15:35:45] <Oddmonger> in service file, you must also point
to the correct PID : PIDFile=/var/run/squid/squid.pid
1796 [15:35:57] <Oddmonger> (with the same location in squid
config)
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1798 [15:36:32] <Oddmonger> i know it's not very clean to use
its own system service file, but i don't know how to do better
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1834 [16:02:58] <humpled> on debian 9, /run/screen is owned by
root:utmp and /run/mpd by mpd:audio, whereas on debian 8 both are
owned by root:root
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1836 [16:04:51] <hk238> done installing debian anew on this
computer
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1838 [16:05:16] <humpled> i can change them and things work but
they are reset on reboot, apparently /run is on tmpfs, in all cases
they have suitable conf files in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d
1839 [16:05:41] <domovoy> trying to setup uwsgi-emperor, i get
permissions troubles about realpath():
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1841 [16:06:46] <humpled> domovoy testapp has group uwsgi, but
/srv/uwsgi and below are not group writable
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1843 [16:07:12] <domovoy> humpled> why should they be writable?
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1845 [16:07:38] <humpled> don't know
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1847 [16:08:46] <domovoy> realpath() doesn't need write
access does it? unless something is very wrong
1848 [16:09:43] <humpled> yup sorry i just saw the permission
denied on that path and jumped to a conclusion
1849 [16:10:53] <domovoy> i also tried `chmod -R o+rX /srv/uwsgi`
with no luck
1850 [16:11:23] <hk238> hm how do I add myself to the sudoers
file? it seems to not have worked
1851 [16:11:49] <tachikomas> hk238: look at usermod
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1855 [16:12:15] <LtL> hk238: run 'visudo' and add the
user.
1856 [16:12:17] <hk238> I tried that but it didn't work?
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1858 [16:13:23] <greycat> hk238: in debian, the 'sudo'
group has full access to sudo, so all you need to do is add yourself
to the sudo GROUP, and log out and back in. "adduser myusername
sudo"
1859 [16:13:24] <karlpinc> !sudoers
1860 [16:13:24] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions
for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group:
"adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated
by "apropos sudo" for more information.
1861 [16:13:25] <hk238> or maybe it did work, but it didn't
get saved
1862 [16:13:47] <LtL> hk238: logout/login
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1864 [16:14:00] <hk238> oh okay I'll relog
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1869 [16:17:02] <roylaprattep> Someone can explain me all the
steps to upgrade Jessie to Stretch, I am pretty confused now, I
tought only a dist-upgrade was necessary after changing sources.list
to strech repo
1870 [16:18:04] <LtL> roylaprattep: you need to apt-get update,
then apt-get dist-upgrade after soures.list is edited.
1871 [16:18:22] <LtL> *sources.list
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1875 [16:18:33] <roylaprattep> I heard that dist-upgrade do not
upgrade completely to stretch
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1877 [16:19:00] <LtL> roylaprattep: it certainly did for me.
1878 [16:19:23] <LtL> roylaprattep: note- you cannot skip
releases.
1879 [16:19:33] <roylaprattep> i heard of full-upgrade
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1881 [16:19:53] <LtL> but you aren't doing that so,
nevermind.
1882 [16:20:07] <roylaprattep> whats the differences between both
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1888 [16:20:48] <hk238> hello
1889 [16:21:02] <hk238> I think the sudo works now after relogging
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1891 [16:21:04] <greycat> "apt full-upgrade" and
"apt-get dist-upgrade" are the same thing
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1895 [16:21:14] <hk238> but now I got some additional problems
audio is not working probably need to start pulseaudio or something
like that
1896 [16:21:52] <roylaprattep> greycat: ok, full-upgrade if for
users using aptitude instead
1897 [16:22:02] <roylaprattep> is*
1898 [16:22:03] <hk238> and also probably need to install
proprietary nvidia drivers so I need to add the non-free repos but
how do I do that again?
1899 [16:22:39] <roylaprattep> hk238: edit your sources.list and
add "non-free" at the end of the line
1900 [16:22:55] <hk238> but they seem to be in there already?
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1902 [16:23:14] <roylaprattep> then you are ok, just install the
package you need.
1903 [16:23:17] <hk238> there's many lines containing
apparently the same lines?
1904 [16:23:40] <roylaprattep> each line is different
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1906 [16:24:19] <greycat> aptitude is NOT recommended for release
upgrades, because it has a history of getting confused with large
changes
1907 [16:24:39] <roylaprattep> greycat: i never used aptitude
since i am using debian anyway
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1913 [16:25:41] <hk238> okay so they were not included in the
first 2 lines but they were on the last 4 lines so I added them to
the first 2 as well
1914 [16:26:02] <roylaprattep> now do a apt-get update and you are
good to go
1915 [16:27:04] <hk238> okay thanks it seems to be working, I
think. Did nvidia-detect and then sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver
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1917 [16:27:39] <hk238> I wonder if there's a driver for this
audiocard too? Although I think it works without the driver, I just
need to select the channel from somewhere ,which might require
installing some package
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1920 [16:28:05] <hk238> I forgot what I had to do, I went through
this before when I last installed debian, although I think it was a
different release
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1927 [16:30:40] <freeCrypto> Earn bitcoin easily here :)
1928 [16:30:40] <freeCrypto>
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1932 [16:32:05] <roylaprattep> \\10.17.10.13Cunt.
1933 [16:32:08] <roylaprattep> Cunt.
1934 [16:32:46] <hk238> Free lunch spam :p
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1942 [16:39:32] <dsbv> Anyone can help with l2tp/ipsec vpn config
with debian - I'm not getting the ppp0 link up after issuing
ipsec up myvpn , and echo "c myvpn" >
/var/run/xl2tpd/l2tp-control, ipsec log :
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1944 [16:40:24] <dsbv> also had to enable unencrypted_main_mode
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1957 [16:43:59] <hk238> yay got audio working too
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1960 [16:45:13] <hk238> now I'd need to fix the wifi for the
other one
1961 [16:45:17] <hk238>
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1962 [16:45:36] <petn-randall> dsbv: Is that the log from the
server or the client?
1963 [16:45:39] <hk238> I think this is the correct fix, or could
be, but now the wifi is not activating at all.. So I'd need to
figure out how to get connected for long enough to install the fix
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1965 [16:45:41] <hk238> any ideas about that?
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1967 [16:46:44] <dsbv> petn-randall, client to server
1968 [16:47:06] <dsbv> I'm behind NAT , checked with win10
machine behind the same router and it worked
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1974 [16:49:24] <petn-randall> dsbv: NAT is always tricky with
ipsec. What is the log output on the server during the whole
transaction?
1975 [16:49:43] <dsbv> I have no access to the server
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2001 [17:01:16] <dsbv> petn-randall, by any chance you have an
l2tp/ipsec config you use as a client and can share ?
2002 [17:01:32] <dsbv> Which work with NAT
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2010 [17:04:52] <hk238> This is getting tricky :d
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2016 [17:06:13] <hk238> is it possible to get a package in an
offline installable form?
2017 [17:06:14] <petn-randall> dsbv: I don't use ipsec for
many reasons, so I don't have a config to share. Besides, that
config would depend on the server config.
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2021 [17:08:32] <dsbv> Thank you petn-randall
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2030 [17:14:58] <petn-randall> dsbv: I'd try to get the
server admin to help you debug the issue, AFAICS the server is
terminating the connection for unknown reasons.
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2032 [17:15:21] <dsbv> I thought it was a client configuration
error
2033 [17:15:52] <dsbv> I got into that belief because debian
iniate QuickMode
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2039 [17:18:51] <Ingvix> Can I somehow launch app below my wm? If
I execute the app before the wm with override_redirect on, it stays
in the background but is it possible to launch it to the back after
starting the wm?
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2048 [17:28:03] <BCMM> what's the correct way of getting the
attention of ops in here?
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2052 [17:29:38] <`ajven> Hello, Im trying to make GPU passthrue to
VM with Win10. I see my GPU 1080Ti have PCI ID 41:00.0 and 41:00.1
but when I list full iommu group this group with number 41:00.0 not
exist.
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2054 [17:30:40] <petn-randall> BCMM: Just call `!ops <reason
you need ops attention>
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2056 [17:31:40] <petn-randall> `ajven: That paste just gives me
"This page has been removed!"
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2061 [17:32:44] <`ajven> petn-randall, reupload -
replaced-url
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2064 [17:33:53] <petn-randall> `ajven: And what is the output of
`lspci -nn`?
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2066 [17:34:53] <`ajven> petn-randall
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2088 [17:53:29] <petn-randall> `ajven: IOMMU groups are not
related to PCI IDs.
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2092 [17:55:05] <petn-randall> I take that back.
2093 [17:55:07] <`ajven> petn-randall so what to do in this case?
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2095 [17:55:36] <petn-randall> Seems as though nvidia just
doesn't support IOMMU. In this case you can either buy an AMD
card or pass through your Intel card.
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2097 [17:56:15] <`ajven> but on network I can find a lot of info
about supporting this gpu for passthrue :(
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2099 [17:57:03] <petn-randall> `ajven: Is your host OS using that
card?
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2102 [17:57:33] <`ajven> now not, im connected to AMD RX550 GPU I
keep 1080Ti for passthrue
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2112 [18:00:22] <petn-randall> `ajven: You might want to work
through
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2115 [18:00:51] <tmroland> hi, i installed gnome packages from
experimental rep and gnome session doesnt appear in gdm
2116 [18:00:53] <tmroland> only plasma
2117 [18:01:30] <petn-randall> tmroland: It's called
"experimental" for a reason. And mixing stable and
experimental is not recommended.
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2119 [18:01:54] <tmroland> im on sid
2120 [18:02:01] <petn-randall> Ah, in that case:
2121 [18:02:04] <petn-randall> !debian-next
2122 [18:02:04] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2137 [18:11:10] <sangy> I have an image that's using this on
their sources.list 'deb
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2138 [18:11:20] <greycat> !jessie-updates
2139 [18:11:20] <dpkg> jessie-updates was a suite providing
updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a
<point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were
included in point releases.
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2142 [18:12:07] <sangy> greycat: ah, so just dropping
jessie-updates would do the trick I take it?
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2145 [18:14:01] <greycat> yes, just delete that line
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2149 [18:16:38] <sangy> thanks!
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2185 [18:36:10] <ebol4> is there a way to change the order that
dhcpcd places DNS entries in resolv.conf for different interfaces?
2186 [18:36:20] <ebol4> it's placing the DNS servers from
eth0 above wlan0
2187 [18:36:25] <ebol4> but I want to use wlan0's DNS servers
2188 [18:36:45] <ebol4> i tried changing the metric in dhcpcd.conf
for eth0, but that only seems to effect routes
2189 [18:36:50] <greycat> sounds like you want to dig into the
resolvconf package
2190 [18:37:12] <ebol4> i'm actually using systemd-resolved
to further complicate things
2191 [18:37:22] <greycat> if resolvconf can't do it, then I
don't know what could
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2207 [18:47:18] <BCMM> ebol4: what do you mean by "for
different interfaces"?
2208 [18:47:43] <BCMM> if you mean network interfaces, i'm
not sure the question is meaningful - DNS happens *before* you
decide which network interface you are going to use
2209 [18:48:49] <tds> resolved does have a concept of resolvers
being attached to interfaces though, and will pick which
interface's resolvers to use based on the search domains for
each interface
2210 [18:49:04] <tds> ebol4: you can set the search domain to ~.
if you want to force all queries out a specific interface
2211 [18:49:26] <BCMM> oh i see, the dns servers that are
*provided by* different interfaces, e.g. by dhcp
2212 [18:49:36] <ebol4> yeah exactly, dhcp is setting them
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2214 [18:49:50] <ebol4> eth0's end up first in the list of
DNS servers, and i don't want that
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2216 [18:50:28] <tds> oh, you still see a list of actual dns
resolvers in resolv.conf? I wouldn't expect that with most
resolved configurations, just one entry for resolved's stub
listener on 127.0.0.53
2217 [18:50:40] <BCMM> that's the bit that's puzzling me
here too
2218 [18:50:43] <ebol4> no, i see them if i run `systemd-resolve
--status`
2219 [18:50:50] <ebol4> it's using the DNS server from
eth0's DHCP lease
2220 [18:50:55] <tds> ah right
2221 [18:51:14] <ebol4> and if I dig, I get a result from
eth0's DNS server
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2225 [18:52:50] <tds> so if you want to force it to use
wlan0's resolver, the easiest option is probably to set
wlan0's search domain to ~.
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2241 [19:03:15] <atpa8a> grrr... so i figured out that stretch
uses connman for connections... but still not clear why it would not
set search domain
2242 [19:03:18] <atpa8a> any clues?
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2247 [19:06:19] <greycat> ,info connman
2248 [19:06:20] <judd> Package connman (net, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Intel Connection Manager daemon. Version:
1.33-3+deb9u1; Size: 380.6k; Installed: 1148k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2249 [19:06:35] <greycat> *shrug* .. remove it if you don't
want to use it?
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2327 [19:49:25] <atpa8a> i don't specifically care... it
works - connects wifi and whatnot... just doesn't update the
search domains
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2357 [20:11:02] <karlpinc> I've self-backported python 3.7 to
squeeze to toy with it. 'update-alternatives python3' does
not list a python3 alternative I can see. How should I install my
debs to keep from breaking python3? (Or will an alternative
magically show up?)
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2425 [20:48:18] <Sleaker> ,v firefox-esr
2426 [20:48:19] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie:
52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security:
60.6.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1;
stretch-security: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.6.1esr-1; sid:
60.6.1esr-1
2427 [20:48:39] <Sleaker> oh wierd, is there not a new esr for
buster?
2428 [20:49:00] <Sleaker> oh mozilla wont put one out until July.
2429 [20:49:07] <greycat> buster will follow the same plan as
stretch
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2431 [20:49:30] <greycat> only abandon the currently
supported-by-Debian firefox-esr package when upstream abandons it
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2433 [20:49:37] <Sleaker> ahh ok
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2435 [20:49:44] <Sleaker> so that means after EST 60.9.0 ?
2436 [20:49:51] <Sleaker> ESR*
2437 [20:50:08] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2439 [20:50:27] <Sleaker> yah I'm looking at their overview
thing
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2441 [20:50:45] <greycat> ESR 60 is abandoned on October 23, so
that's when Debian will switch to ESR 68
2442 [20:50:51] <Sleaker> mhmm makes sense
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2444 [20:51:17] <domovoy> this is starting to piss me off, how the
hell do i make firefox forget about hsts for a website?
(ns1.errlock.dev) it keeps giving me the https. I cleared cache and
everything, closed firefox, deleted SiteSecurityServiceState.txt,
cert(8|9).db, and send "Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=0;
includeSubDomains" header
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2451 [20:55:33] <domovoy> when did all those apps decided to go
the way of "designed for monkeys"? What happened to
"this may not be the easiest software to configure, but _you_
have the power, we won't stop you of doing wtf you want"
2452 [20:56:04] <format_c> domovoy: which one you're
referring to?
2453 [20:57:19] <domovoy> format_c> firefox, and virtually
every with little to no config, and no easy way to change _anything_
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2455 [20:58:20] <domovoy> format_c> ho, you just joined,
i'm looking for a way to make firefox forget about hsts for my
website, it keeps giving me https
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2458 [20:58:45] <greycat> 'The HSTS Policy is communicated by
the server to the user agent via an HTTPS response header field
named "Strict-Transport-Security".'
2459 [20:59:02] <format_c> domovoy: he well the standard states
that this is wanted that the user cannot recurse
2460 [20:59:06] <ross`> Can someone help me out, I have an
gigabyte aorus z390 ultra motherboard and the net installer
can't find a driver for my build in NIC
2461 [20:59:21] <greycat> So, if it's *your* server, just
stop sending that.
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2466 [21:01:10] <domovoy> greycat> i do, i even tried sending
"Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=0; includeSubDomains",
no luck
2467 [21:01:47] <domovoy> format_c> what standard are you
talking about?
2468 [21:01:56] <format_c> HSTS
2469 [21:01:58] <somiaj> ross`: it might just be that the built in
nic requires non-free firmware. Do you know the chipset the built in
nic uses?
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2473 [21:02:30] <ross`> z390 / "Intel® GbE LAN with
cFosSpeed Internet Accelerator Networking" / "Integrated
Intel® 802.11ac Wave2 CNVi WIFI + Bluetooth 5"
2474 [21:02:45] <ross`> I'm having trouble figuring out what
that means haha
2475 [21:02:50] <ross`> in terms of driver names or revisions
2476 [21:02:52] <greycat> domovoy: I did a "wget --spider -S
replaced-url
2477 [21:03:08] <ross`> If I knew what I was even looking for I
would download and modprobe it into the kernel
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2479 [21:03:35] <format_c> domovoy: I was talking about RFC6797
sect. 12.1
2480 [21:03:57] <somiaj> Could there be some ModRewrite (or
similar) on the server redirecting all
replaced-url
2481 [21:04:02] <ross`> somiaj: What debian installer might I try
that would include non free firmware without internet?
2482 [21:04:08] <ross`> I could try that and see if it wors
2483 [21:04:09] <ross`> wors
2484 [21:04:10] <ross`> works
2485 [21:04:20] <greycat> somiaj: it's not. It's sending
an HTTP response with a Strict-Transport-Security: header.
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2487 [21:04:36] <somiaj> !firmware images
2488 [21:04:37] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
2489 [21:04:42] <greycat> Apparently he doesn't want to stop
sending this header, though I cannot imagine why.
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2491 [21:04:59] <somiaj> ross`: ^^. Another option is complete the
install without the internet, and then manually install the firmware
after and get your network up at that time.
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2493 [21:05:18] <ross`> somiaj: yes, I would have already done
that if I knew what driver I needed
2494 [21:05:31] <domovoy> greycat> yes, with a max-age of 0,
right? i just set that because of:
replaced-url
2495 [21:05:47] <somiaj> ross`: you don't need a driver, you
need firmware as I mentioned. firmware-iwlwifi is the name of the
debian package in non-free for that.
2496 [21:05:58] <greycat> I am not even going to guess what
setting that knob to 0 does. I've never even heard of this
thing before today.
2497 [21:06:46] <ross`> Thanks!
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2500 [21:08:30] <ross`> somiaj: does that come with the netinst?
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2503 [21:09:00] <ross`> Can I manually load it easially, or
failing that can I stick in another usb that has a .deb for the
firmware I assume
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2505 [21:09:04] <somiaj> greycat: I saw the info about the header,
was just double checking that it wasn't also using ModRewrite
as well.
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2507 [21:09:12] <format_c> domovoy: AFAIK as soon as a browser has
recognized a host being HSTS enabled, any further HSTS signalling
must happen through the secure channel. Otherwise things like
max-age are ignored. Refer to RFC6797 sect. 8.1
2508 [21:09:32] <domovoy> greycat> the link in the article
explains it, it is supposed to be a switch so that firefox
"forget" the preloaded setting from whatever source it
decided to use
2509 [21:09:40] <somiaj> domovoy: ^^
2510 [21:09:47] <ross`> Also, what I'm really trying to do is
get ethernet and not wifi working.
2511 [21:10:10] <somiaj> ross`: then you need to tell us what the
chipset of the wired connection is. You pasted the info about the
wifi
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2513 [21:10:24] <ross`> It's a z390
2514 [21:10:41] <ross`> "Intel® GbE LAN with cFosSpeed
Internet Accelerator Networking"
2515 [21:10:42] <somiaj> oh its some integrated controller that is
both wired and wifi, maybe the wifi firmware is needed to get it to
function at all
2516 [21:10:54] <greycat> RFC 6797 8.1 says the max-age is only
respected if it comes via https
2517 [21:10:55] <ross`> No, I think they are separate
2518 [21:11:05] <ross`> well, not sure.
2519 [21:11:25] <somiaj> I couldn't tell form your post, a
pciid would help out too.
2520 [21:11:40] <ross`> I can get that for you I think, one sec!
2521 [21:11:48] <somiaj> But you could just blindly try the
unoffical non-free firmware images. If that doesn't work you
may need a newer kernel than stretch has for that card.
2522 [21:12:07] <somiaj> (which you could get from
stretch-backports)
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2525 [21:13:13] <domovoy> format_c> i see, thing is, i actually
never enabled hsts on this host specifically, but it may have been a
CNAME to a mass vhost that used it for a time... now i have to dig
my old server for the right certificate? crap
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2528 [21:14:06] <greycat> domovoy: I literally did "wget
--spider -S
replaced-url
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2532 [21:14:20] <greycat> or at least that's my understanding
after literally knowing about this thing for all of 10 minutes
2533 [21:14:35] <ross`> sysrescd gets ethernet off the bat
2534 [21:14:48] <domovoy> anyway, firefox _must_ be storing that
"this host is hsts" info somewhere, i can be root on this
computer, its _mine_, since when can't _i_ decide what it
should do?
2535 [21:15:22] <ross`> lspci -k says Kernel driver / module in
use is e1000e
2536 [21:15:41] <greycat> 5.2 'HSTS Policy explicitly
overrides the UA processing of URI references, user input (e.g., via
the "location bar"), or other information that, in the
absence of HSTS Policy, might otherwise cause UAs to communicate
insecurely with the Known HSTS Host.'
2537 [21:16:18] <domovoy> greycat> yes i'm currently
removing the header, and then trying all the firefox "forget
about it" crap, but slow connection, even my ssh is slow
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2539 [21:16:59] <ross`> Looks like the wifi device is showing up
as a Wireless-AC 9560 and it's loading iwlwifi
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2541 [21:17:46] <somiaj> ross`: if the non-free firmware from
stretch doesn't work for that card, you'll need to get a
newer kernel and firmware from stretch-backports (if that card is
supported in linux, that should work)
2542 [21:17:51] <domovoy> greycat> yes, but the storage of this
policy is still on _my_ computer, isn't it? it is _my_
computer, i want it to do what _i_ say. there surely is a file
somewhere that says "ns1.errlocj.dev is HSTS"
2543 [21:18:12] <ross`> sysrescd has a 4.19 kernel
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2545 [21:18:33] <greycat> domovoy: why do you assume that? The
server is still giving the header.
2546 [21:18:35] <somiaj> ross`: what install image are you using,
that is not the stock stretch kernel.
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2548 [21:18:47] <greycat> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 19:18:19 GMT
2549 [21:18:49] <greycat> Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=0;
includeSubDomains
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2552 [21:19:29] <domovoy> greycat> i can't type here and
deal with my slow ssh at the same time, give me some time :)
2553 [21:19:33] <ross`> the debian installer kernel is 4.9
2554 [21:19:35] <ross`> so that shouldn't be an issue
2555 [21:20:10] <ross`>
replaced-url
2556 [21:20:12] <ross`> I used that one
2557 [21:20:21] <somiaj> I'm not sure what you mean by
sysrscd then, I was just pointing out that newer cards sometimes are
not supported by the older 4.9 kernel in stretch and you may need a
newer one
2558 [21:20:31] <ross`> oh
2559 [21:20:36] <ross`> systemrescuecd
2560 [21:20:43] <ross`> is what I used to lspci -k
2561 [21:20:58] <ross`> it loads e1000e and iwlwifi
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2564 [21:21:33] <somiaj> so the network card works with that? Then
if the non-free firmware dosen't work, you'll have to get
the newer kernel and firmware from stretch-backports as I said.
2565 [21:22:05] <ross`> How do I test nonfree firmware
2566 [21:22:18] <ross`> do I just use a second usb and do dpkg -i
linux-firmware-nonfree.deb
2567 [21:22:35] <somiaj> well you want firmware-iwlwifi, but that
is one way
2568 [21:22:43] <somiaj> other is just download the unoffical
firmware installers I pointed you at a while ago
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2571 [21:24:09] <ross`> Oh, thank you so much! I missed that url
the bot sent me
2572 [21:24:13] <ross`> I'll try that
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2577 [21:29:47] <domovoy> ok, no more
"Strict-Transport-Security" header from the server, forgot
website from firefox history, closed firefox, deleted
SiteSecurityServiceState.txt, cert(8|9).db from firefox profile,
opened
replaced-url
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2581 [21:31:53] <greycat> domovoy: yes, I get that as well, and
something analogous in google-chrome
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2584 [21:32:37] <hk238> hello.. I'm trying to install this
app called 'signal' on my debian but it involves adding a
custom repository, and it still didn't work, anyone know about
that?
2585 [21:32:39] <domovoy> greycat> why?
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2587 [21:34:04] <domovoy> do i need to send a letter to the
president of the us saying "can i please disable hsts on my
website?"
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2592 [21:35:58] <Yamahapsr200> Hi! I want to upgrade the kernel of
a server of mine - found out it is stuck with 3.2.41 for years now.
I installed linux-image-amd64 and linux-version list reports
4.9.0-8-amd64. uname -r and neofetch however both still report
3.2.41, what can I do now?
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2594 [21:37:16] <greycat> domovoy: I have no idea. I tried curl
--verbose hoping it would shed some light, but all it does is give
me what I assume to be the desired HTML page. Whatever chrome and ff
are doing is not what curl is doing.
2595 [21:37:25] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
2596 [21:37:26] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid:
4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2);
stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy-
2597 [21:37:27] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
2598 [21:37:50] <jhutchins_wk> Yamahapsr200: What release are you
on?
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2600 [21:38:10] <tds> domovoy: are you certain you're not on
the preload list?
2601 [21:38:22] <Yamahapsr200> jhutchins_wk: Debian GNU/Linux 9.8
(stretch) x86_64
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2604 [21:38:56] <mawk> you rebooted right Yamahapsr200 ?
2605 [21:39:13] <jhutchins_wk> Do you have the 4.9 kernel in
/boot?
2606 [21:39:33] <Yamahapsr200> mawk: yes indeed I did everytime I
tried
2607 [21:39:44] <BazookaTooth> openvz?
2608 [21:39:45] <domovoy> greycat> yes, that's about what
the link in the article about max-age = 0 said, those ua preload a
list of htst hosts from somewhere, so that on the first request to a
website you don't hit http, but directly https without even
requesting the server
2609 [21:40:04] <Yamahapsr200> jhutchins_wk: ls of /boot:
"config-4.9.0-8-amd64 initrd.img-4.9.0-8-amd64
System.map-4.9.0-8-amd64 vmlinuz-4.9.0-8-amd64"
2610 [21:40:06] <jhutchins_wk> Yamahapsr200: Try update-grub and
watch for the new kernel.
2611 [21:40:38] <domovoy> tds> i guess i might be, but still,
this setting _is_ somewhere on _my_ computer, i should be able to
edit/remove it
2612 [21:41:01] <mawk> if you're in the preload list no
it's not on your computer
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2614 [21:41:04] <mawk> it's on the internet
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2616 [21:41:14] <tds>
replaced-url
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2618 [21:42:58] <Yamahapsr200> jhutchins_wk: command not found -
grub2 (and all it's dependencies) is installed however...
that's odd
2619 [21:43:19] <domovoy> mawk> but it is _not_ checked _every_
time i access an url, is it? firefox must access it from time to
time, and update a local database
2620 [21:44:24] <mawk> maybe yes
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2622 [21:45:08] <mawk> is it a subdomain domovoy ?
2623 [21:45:16] <tds> I thought firefox (and other browsers)
included a full copy of the preload list, but I may be wrong there
2624 [21:45:30] <domovoy> so i should still be able to decide
_not_ to use hsts for a particular host
2625 [21:45:32] <greycat> 'Status: errlock.dev is currently
preloaded.'
2626 [21:45:39] <mawk> if that's the case you should verify
that every parent domain doesn't have includeSubdomains
2627 [21:45:43] <tds> is that the domain?
2628 [21:45:51] <greycat> his host is ns1.errlock.dev
2629 [21:45:52] <tds> the .dev tld is preloaded
2630 [21:46:06] <domovoy> it is
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2633 [21:46:44] <domovoy> whut? _all_ the .dev?
2634 [21:46:49] <tds> yes
2635 [21:47:06] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2638 [21:47:15] <domovoy> wtf, for what bloody reason?
2639 [21:47:32] <mawk> someone thought it would be a good idea I
guess
2640 [21:47:38] <greycat> It doesn't give a citation, sadly.
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2644 [21:48:49] <domovoy> can't a dev do whatever he want he
want whit his dev environment? another example of "designed for
monkeys" i guess
2645 [21:49:00] <greycat>
replaced-url
2646 [21:49:33] <tds> tim@phosphorus:~$ curl
replaced-url
2647 [21:49:33] <tds> { "name": "dev",
"policy": "public-suffix", "mode":
"force-https", "include_subdomains": true },
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2650 [21:50:13] <domovoy> i would never have thought about that.
preloading .com, maybe, but .dev? that's just stupid
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2653 [21:50:34] <greycat> What seems stupid is *hosting* your web
site on *.dev
2654 [21:50:36] <tds> preloading .com would break a _lot_ of stuff
right now, .dev is new and was preloaded from the start
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2656 [21:51:06] <domovoy> anyway, that answers my question, i just
can't disable hsts on thi domain
2657 [21:51:20] <domovoy> greycat> it is .dev because it is...
in development
2658 [21:51:51] <ross`> somiaj: I didn't have any luck using
the firmware netinst iso.
2659 [21:51:57] <greycat> Well, use a different domain name.
2660 [21:52:06] <ross`> I even selected e1000e from the list of
drivers when it said it couldn't find an ethernet device and
that did not help
2661 [21:53:10] <tds> or just deploy tls and be done with it, much
nicer :)
2662 [21:53:42] <greycat> he has a self-signed certificate on it,
apparently -- the redirection happens, and then the browser throws a
"bad cert" type error
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2672 [21:56:47] <domovoy> tds> that's what i'll do,
let's encrypt makes it easy enough
2673 [21:56:57] <tds> indeed :)
2674 [21:58:21] <domovoy> but it's the end of the month, my
phone data bandwidth is reduced because i used too much of it...
even ssh is slow :/
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2677 [21:58:40] <domovoy> even let's encrypt could take me
all night at this rate ^^
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2680 [22:01:25] <Yamahapsr200> jhutchins_wk: get's weirder:
just found out I don't have any sd* "files" in /dev
How do I boot at all? :o
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2685 [22:02:51] <domovoy> Yamahapsr200> mount; fdisk -l
2686 [22:05:03] <jhutchins_wk> df is easier to read than mount now
that mount shows all the pseudo-device mounts.
2687 [22:05:10] <Yamahapsr200> domovoy: "/dev/vzfs on / type
vzfs (rw,relatime,usrquota,grpquota)" seems to be the only
interesting one
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2692 [22:06:14] <sam123> hi
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2694 [22:06:39] <sam123> pls i need help with linux and ios
2695 [22:08:08] <jhutchins_wk> Yamahapsr200: update-grub is root
only.
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2699 [22:10:43] <Yamahapsr200> jhutchins_wk: oh! Didn't work
with sudo - I really have to be root? didn't recall that... It
does however find the right kernels. gives this error though:
"Cannot find list of partitions! (Try mounting /sys.)"
/sys is mountes as far as I can tell though
2700 [22:11:46] <jhutchins_wk> Yamahapsr200: sudo -i update-grub
would work, as would sudo /sbin/update-grub
2701 [22:12:20] <greycat> first of all, it's
/usr/sbin/update-grub
2702 [22:12:29] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Oops.
2703 [22:12:34] <ross`> The debian netinst iso should be able to
mount a btrfs partition in a fallback shell right?
2704 [22:12:35] <greycat> second, sudo changes PATH for you, so
just "sudo update-grub" should work, unless you changed
the sudoers config
2705 [22:12:37] <ross`> It's saying invalid argument
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2707 [22:13:30] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: It seems like I can't
do sudo shutdown, but I can do sudo -i shutdown. Different distro
though.
2708 [22:14:29] <greycat> wooledg:~$ sudo env | grep PATH
2709 [22:14:30] <greycat> [sudo] password for wooledg:
2710 [22:14:30] <greycat>
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
2711 [22:14:41] <jhutchins_wk> It's funny, there are certain
things like sudo and lvm I only do on that other distro, other
things that I only do on Debian.
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2713 [22:15:23] <ross`> How do I find a debian installer that has
a kernel that supports my ethernet device/
2714 [22:16:12] <greycat> !firmware images
2715 [22:16:12] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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2718 [22:16:22] <ross`> I tried that
2719 [22:16:39] <ross`> It still wouldn't find my ethernet
even when I choose e1000e driver
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2721 [22:16:46] <ross`> which was what systemrescuecd had loaded
in lspci -k
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2723 [22:18:14] <jhutchins_wk> Well, that's not it, I just
don't undestand sudo very well yet.
2724 [22:18:23] <ross`> Also I don't understand why but if I
do mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb it always says failed invalid argument
2725 [22:18:28] <ross`> I've tried 3 different file systems
2726 [22:18:31] <ross`> What is the deal with that?
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2728 [22:19:43] <ross`> nevermind I was able to mount, but the
debian installer (firmware version) doesn't seem to have dpkg
2729 [22:19:59] <ross`> how do I force install deb files (or is
the debian installer not debian)?
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2732 [22:21:21] <Yamahapsr200> "grub-install: Error: Drive
»hostdisk//dev/vzfs« was not found.."
(translated)... I'm a bit lost now.. ls /sys does yield
results...
2733 [22:22:36] <BazookaTooth> if it's an openvz vps,
you're kernel locked
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2750 [22:35:20] <Yamahapsr200> BazookaTooth: I dread that might be
the case. I found some kind of control-panel for my server and while
there is an update-thing it seems to be broken... Thank you all for
your help though!
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2752 [22:37:44] <warai_otoko> any tool recommendations to deep
search formatted partitions for .docs?
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2756 [22:39:27] <ross`> !backports kernel
2757 [22:39:37] <ross`> How do I find information on the stretch
backports kernel
2758 [22:39:42] <greycat> ,kernels
2759 [22:39:44] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid:
4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2);
stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy-
2760 [22:39:45] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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2762 [22:40:12] <ross`> is there a .deb version of the stretch
backports kerbel?
2763 [22:40:15] <ross`> kernel
2764 [22:40:21] <greycat> Yes. That's what a backport is.
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2767 [22:40:44] <greycat> Follow the instructions at
replaced-url
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2769 [22:41:47] <ross`> I have no internet though whichi s why
I'm doing this
2770 [22:42:09] <ross`> so if I just copy this .deb to a flash
drive and dpkg -i will I have any issues? :
replaced-url
2771 [22:42:44] <ross`> Do I need to copy anything else onto the
flash drive to install simultaneously? Doesn't look like there
are any dep
2772 [22:42:52] <ross`> well, any dep that I wouldn't have
anyway
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2774 [22:45:43] <BazookaTooth> warai_otoko: photorec/testdisk?
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2776 [22:46:42] <ross`> Yay I have internet, thanks
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2800 [23:01:53] <nullbyte_> freebsd and uefi under gpt with grub
from linux, how? what to add in /etc/grub.d/40_custom
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2802 [23:03:27] <petn-randall> nullbyte_: `update-grub` should
find and add freebsd automagically.
2803 [23:03:42] <petn-randall> nullbyte_: However if you installed
freebsd in legacy mode, it won't be bootable in EFI mode.
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2810 [23:08:11] <OnceMe> hello, default connection on debian is
via ipv6
2811 [23:08:15] <OnceMe> can I force ipv4?
2812 [23:08:37] <OnceMe> in 50-default.network for [Route]
Destionation I see it's set IPv6
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2825 [23:14:08] <Dagger> Debian defaults to dual-stack, and
programs will use either v6 or v4 depending on what the server
they're connecting to has. you shouldn't need to change
that
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2830 [23:18:18] <JohnDoe2> having a really weird time with a kvm
9.8 (so solusvm image, no idea how they modify them). I added
vestacp's source but apt-cache can't find any results. I
installed 9.8 (local vm) and ran the same commands but mine is able
to find the packages ok. No errors on the kvm, and --print-uris are
the same for both
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2842 [23:27:44] <jhutchins_wk> nulleip: Probably want to edit
/etc/defaults/grub instead.
2843 [23:28:08] <jhutchins_wk> update-grub should find the freebsd
kernel and add it though.
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2874 [23:54:08] <OnceMe> can someone please help me
2875 [23:54:15] <OnceMe> I have migrated from deb8 to deb9 and now
I cant open crontab -e
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2877 [23:54:39] <OnceMe> I am getting crontabs/onceme/: fdopen:
Permission denied
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