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• 15[00:08:39] <f-a> I am running aqemu (fine), I'd like to mount an usb stick so the VM can see it, but I get a:
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• 18[00:09:14] <f-a> what should I do to give the appropriate permission?
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• 20[00:09:20] <missmbob> f-a: werent you the proxmox user?
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• 23[00:10:02] <f-a> - missmbob
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• 40[00:19:08] <teraflops> f-a: I never used aqemu, but I know how to tell plain qemu what to do with a usb device though, e.g -usb -device usb-host,hostbus=3,hostaddr=2, if that helps
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• 52[00:23:14] <okamis_> how do I set the default keyboard layout so It can be used when logging in?
• 53[00:23:32] <f-a> thanks teraflops , I'll look into that
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• 55[00:23:43] <okamis_> Using a special layout called svoraka with setxkbmap svoraka
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• 71[00:32:26] <sqwishy> Any clues on having the installer not disregard a preseed if it fails because it can't fetch a package temporarily?
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• 85[00:37:48] <karl> hi, i have a raid5 problem. i just now added a device to a 5-disk raid5 array and the array refuses to reshape, speed is 0kb
• 86[00:37:53] <karl> see: replaced-url
• 87[00:38:04] <karl> any idea what could be wrong ?
• 88[00:38:55] <karl> it looks a bit like like this guys problem: replaced-url
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• 103[00:51:26] <acidchild> Hello, is there a simple way to upgrade OpenSSH and OpenSSL to the latest releases? I understand that debian only takes the security fix and applies it to a mature version of the code to avoid introducing any additional behavior. I'd like to avoid false-positives from security scanners and the justifications on debians maintenance methodology. "politics"
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• 107[00:52:51] <qmr> build and install them locally
• 108[00:52:58] <qmr> in general I would not recommend it
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• 110[00:53:56] <acidchild> Yeah.
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• 112[00:54:28] <acidchild> Okay, worth asking. I was expected that response :)
• 113[00:54:47] <qmr> cd /usr/local/src ; wget craps ; cd craps ; configuremakeinstall
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• 115[00:55:04] <qmr> then you get the joy of tracking this manually installed software, whihc is a huge pain in the ass
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• 117[00:55:16] <acidchild> /usr/local/src?
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• 119[00:55:18] <qmr> any srs bsns servers should be programatically managed of course.
• 120[00:55:20] <qmr> right
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• 122[00:55:26] <acidchild> really?
• 123[00:55:31] <acidchild> heh
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• 125[00:55:50] <acidchild> oh, i'm not going to do it (do it manually) I avoid putting stuff in my private apt repo.
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• 129[00:56:22] <acidchild> I still struggle to put binaries in /usr/local/
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• 131[00:56:23] <qmr> yes. as in the standard canonical place to put local shit according to teh FHS
• 132[00:56:32] <qmr> then you are A Bad Person
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• 134[00:56:46] <acidchild> blame my upbringing!
• 135[00:56:58] <qmr> don't sully /usr/bin or /bin with the shit program you wrote while drunk one tuesday night
• 136[00:57:05] <qmr> I blame canada
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• 138[00:57:12] <acidchild> Hey!
• 139[00:57:24] <acidchild> I'm Canadian :O
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• 141[00:57:50] <fagbodildage> eh?
• 142[00:58:01] <qmr> exactly
• 143[00:58:14] <acidchild> qmr: I grew up on Slackware with the --prefix=/usr. I'm a bag of bad habbits.
• 144[00:58:29] <acidchild> but now all my machines are configured using ansible. so look who started to behave?
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• 146[00:59:57] <qmr> I should really learn how to ansible. I have at least 15 more years in the salt mines before I can fuckoff to my private island
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• 148[01:00:46] <qmr> or chef. or whatever the cool kids use. I did write an ansible 1 liner to deploy software to machines I managed at $oldOldJob . previous script was serial, 20 minutes or something stupid, grew linearly with each new host. 1 liner ran in like 20 seconds
• 149[01:00:51] <acidchild> Ansible.
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• 151[01:01:41] <acidchild> For auto scaling situations people like "Salt"
• 152[01:02:06] <qmr> don't think I ever used slack. started with BSD. I think. or mandrake.
• 153[01:02:19] <acidchild> Mandrake 5 was my first Distro \m/
• 154[01:03:14] <qmr> I remember trying forever to pull down shit with dialup, then an Internet Friend took pity on me and mailed me some CDs
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• 158[01:03:43] <acidchild> I spent a lot of time learning puppet and found it very complicated. Ansible is YML so, no tabs, only spaces. It's fairly quick to wrap your head around and the windows (yuk) portion bring some usability to people like me, people with limited windows skills or duties but still are required to copy files to them for various reasons. Salt appears to be a combination of puppet and ansible.
• 159[01:03:50] <karl> ok, got it to work by running mdadm --grow --continue
• 160[01:03:54] <karl> cheers,
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• 164[01:04:21] <acidchild> I got my mandrake 5 cd from the front cover of a friends dad's Linux Format magazine. Pretty sure i took it without asking.
• 165[01:04:31] <missmbob> !ot
• 166[01:04:32] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 167[01:05:07] <qmr> yea let's not interupt the non stop on topic chatter
• 168[01:05:11] <acidchild> is configuration management REALLY that off topic?
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• 171[01:05:13] * qmr crickets
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• 175[01:07:15] <acidchild> qmr: replaced-url
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• 178[01:08:00] <acidchild> qmr: check out replaced-url
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• 181[01:08:08] <rjsalts> acidchild: probably a bit tenuous. if it was I have $configuration_management solution and this works on redhat and ubuntu but is flaking out on Debian, what's going on it might be on topic
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• 183[01:08:53] <acidchild> anyways, this is no longer fun. See you around qmr :)
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• 185[01:09:02] <qmr> toodles
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• 200[01:20:40] <Tenacious-Techhu> Anyone on here know their way through debugfs at all?
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• 208[01:23:27] <npo> hi im trying to write an .img to my sdcard, but i'm getting an error that there's no room left on the device (it's a 30gb sd card), with 10MB left. i tried zeroing it out with /dev/zero, but it still spits out the same error. what could be going on? is my sdcard bricked?
• 209[01:24:07] <npo> err it says 10MB copied*cinap_
• 210[01:24:10] <npo> err it says 10MB copied*
• 211[01:24:28] <erm3nda> can u make a format?
• 212[01:24:36] <erm3nda> if not, you're card is broken
• 213[01:24:40] <npo> erm3nda: what do you mean?
• 214[01:24:57] <npo> erm3nda: what do you mean by making a format, i mean
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• 216[01:25:11] <erm3nda> im trying to write. how?
• 217[01:25:16] <erm3nda> copy / paste?
• 218[01:25:22] <erm3nda> how long is the iso?
• 219[01:25:25] <erm3nda> there's missing info
• 220[01:25:28] <npo> only about 2gb
• 221[01:25:43] <erm3nda> is there any valuable info on the card?
• 222[01:25:46] <npo> nope
• 223[01:25:50] <erm3nda> try to format it
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• 225[01:25:58] <erm3nda> to know if it's bricked
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• 227[01:26:21] <erm3nda> use disks utility, even gparted
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• 229[01:26:44] <erm3nda> disks has a benchmark tool, that will told you too about card status
• 230[01:26:46] <npo> well i could add a partition
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• 232[01:27:05] <npo> (and write it)
• 233[01:27:06] <erm3nda> full format, a single 30gb partition, if you can write it, it's not fully bricked
• 234[01:27:16] <npo> hmm let me see, it only created a 3m partition
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• 236[01:27:37] <npo> that might have been my own doing though
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• 238[01:27:58] <erm3nda> remove any current partition, then create a new one
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• 241[01:28:08] <MrHatter> One of the boxes I manage, when I ssh in it takes quite awhile after I put my username in. All the other boxes logon quite quickly. What causes the ssh delay ?
• 242[01:28:10] <npo> ok ill give that a try, one minute
• 243[01:28:37] <erm3nda> are those machines a clone?
• 244[01:29:02] <npo> erm3nda: shit, gparted is saying that this disk is only 10.00 MiB
• 245[01:29:10] <Tenacious-Techhu> SD cards bought on eBay often have bogus values for their size.
• 246[01:29:17] <Tenacious-Techhu> Are you sure your SD card is legit?
• 247[01:29:20] <erm3nda> 10mb space left, or 10mb at all?
• 248[01:29:25] <npo> Tenacious-Techhu: it came with my RPi
• 249[01:29:30] <npo> erm3nda: 10mb all
• 250[01:29:31] <erm3nda> i bought 64gb faked usbs time ago :V
• 251[01:29:35] <Tenacious-Techhu> Which you bought from where?
• 252[01:29:43] <erm3nda> try to format from phone, if you can
• 253[01:29:53] <npo> Tenacious-Techhu: microcenter. the sdcard was in the rpi packaging
• 254[01:29:58] <npo> Tenacious-Techhu: it has an rpi logo on it
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• 256[01:30:08] <npo> hold on ill try opening it elsewhere
• 257[01:30:15] <Tenacious-Techhu> Well, logos can be faked, but if you bought it from Microcenter, it’s probably fine.
• 258[01:30:20] <erm3nda> nop, it's a new one card?
• 259[01:30:31] <erm3nda> npo
• 260[01:30:42] <Tenacious-Techhu> You can’t test the size of your SD card without wiping out the data.
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• 263[01:31:22] <erm3nda> at this point im not sure if npo did removed the old partitions
• 264[01:31:28] <erm3nda> 10mb is not enough even for faked memory
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• 269[01:32:15] <Tenacious-Techhu> npo, you are using the card in the condition that you got it from the store in?
• 270[01:32:48] <npo> erm3nda: it actually said 53.something MB. but when i opened it on a windows machine, you could see the NetBSD iso data on there
• 271[01:33:01] <npo> erm3nda: yet for some reason, windows said the capacity was only 53.something MB when i tried to format it
• 272[01:33:12] <npo> Tenacious-Techhu: yeah
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• 274[01:33:46] <Tenacious-Techhu> Did you expand the filesystem yet?
• 275[01:33:56] <npo> Tenacious-Techhu: nope, im not sure how
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• 277[01:34:41] <Tenacious-Techhu> Look for “expand_rootfs”: replaced-url
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• 279[01:35:14] <fagbodildage> npo: I've had some success with this on sdcards which were reporting erroneous sizes: replaced-url
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• 281[01:35:35] <fagbodildage> no linux version, but you say you have doze
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• 283[01:36:16] <npo> fagbodildage: this might work for me, i'll give this a try
• 284[01:36:21] <Tenacious-Techhu> He bought his SD card with his Raspberry Pi from Microcenter.
• 285[01:36:28] <npo> no i didnt buy the sdcard
• 286[01:36:32] <npo> it came with the raspi itself
• 287[01:36:35] <johnkeates> did you steal it?
• 288[01:36:37] <Tenacious-Techhu> It’s unlikely, though not impossible, that it’s fraudulent.
• 289[01:36:44] <npo> fagbodildage: this should work
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• 295[01:37:15] <fagbodildage> npo: hopefully, certainly seems better than the windows built in thing
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• 297[01:37:26] <npo> yeah
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• 300[01:38:36] <Tenacious-Techhu> fagbodildage, you should use that for every SD card format, but I doubt very much it would help with an SD card which blatantly lies about its size.
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• 304[01:39:34] <fagbodildage> Tenacious-Techhu: if it's a dodgy card, it's a dodgy card, yes
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• 306[01:40:26] <fagbodildage> Tenacious-Techhu: just found a few times in the past that it has rescued cards which I couldn't rescue with gparted or cfdisk
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• 310[01:40:46] <Tenacious-Techhu> That has more to do with you using the wrong tool.
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• 312[01:40:52] <quantomworks> How do I make sure the sound driver on my raspberry pi is up to date on raspbian?
• 313[01:40:54] <Tenacious-Techhu> You should NEVER use those on SD cards.
• 314[01:41:01] <quantomworks> #raspbian is silent..
• 315[01:41:14] <quantomworks> and I have to restart anyway since vlc kinda crashed..
• 316[01:41:28] <npo> fagbodildage: that worked! thanks!
• 317[01:41:38] <fagbodildage> npo: glad to hear it
• 318[01:41:53] <Tenacious-Techhu> That was NOT a case of a dodgy card; that was a case of you using the wrong tool. SD cards DO NOT format correctly with regular tools!
• 319[01:41:57] <fagbodildage> Tenacious-Techhu: you should never usee linux disk tools on disks?
• 320[01:42:13] <Tenacious-Techhu> Those were meant for things with cylinders and sectors.
• 321[01:42:18] <Tenacious-Techhu> SD cards are whole other beast.
• 322[01:42:30] <Tenacious-Techhu> It is completely inappropriate to use those tools on SD cards.
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• 327[01:43:49] <npo> shit now linux is saying the same thing again, thats odd
• 328[01:44:15] <npo> something is fishy
• 329[01:44:38] <linuxthefish> fishy indeed
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• 332[01:45:06] <fagbodildage> ghoti abound
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• 334[01:46:26] <Tenacious-Techhu> npo, did you expand your file system?
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• 336[01:48:58] <npo> Tenacious-Techhu: this sdcard doesn't have raspbian on it
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• 339[01:49:21] <Tenacious-Techhu> Can you find a serial number or a part number on the card?
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• 341[01:49:47] <Tenacious-Techhu> Also, is all the data wiped from the card? Is it effectively empty?
• 342[01:50:05] <npo> Tenacious-Techhu: yes, it's burned in to the card. it's a sandisk microsd card, it's not fraudulent
• 343[01:50:09] <npo> yes
• 344[01:50:29] <npo> and i can't zero it with dd because it keeps giving me the same error that there's not enough space on the disk, and only 10M is written
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• 347[01:50:39] <Tenacious-Techhu> Just because it’s branded, that doesn’t mean it’s fraudulent.
• 348[01:50:48] <Tenacious-Techhu> Err, NOT fraudulent.
• 349[01:51:14] <Tenacious-Techhu> You can’t trust anything on the card except numbers pressed into the plastic on the back.
• 350[01:52:59] <Tenacious-Techhu> Try “fakeflashtest”.
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• 358[01:55:49] <rgr> which file do I edit to disable graphical login manager? I know there's a pref file that doesn't involve grub tweaks.
• 359[01:55:58] <rgr> ah found it
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• 421[02:36:16] <SuperTramp83> debian ftw !!
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• 423[02:36:35] <MrPig_> BRs ??
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• 435[02:43:39] <hanasaki> running current version of jessie, connecting to an imaps server with icedove (that has a selfsigned cert from dovecot on jessie)
• 436[02:43:39] <hanasaki> icedove prompts me to accept the ssl cert and I click "confirm" however the dialog remains up and the cert is not accepted. How do I accept the cert?
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• 446[02:50:39] <rjsalts> hanasaki: that's always worked for me in the past
• 447[02:51:36] <petn-randall> hanasaki: Did you click "remember this decision"?
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• 459[02:59:00] <hanasaki> rjsalts: petn-randall thank you. I did check remmeber. The dialog stays up. its not like it pops back up on a subsequent connection
• 460[02:59:21] <petn-randall> hanasaki: Which version of icedove are you running?
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• 468[03:02:05] <hanasaki> petn-randall: 1:45.1.0-1~deb8u1 38.8.0-1~deb8u1 and current thunderbird download all behave the same
• 469[03:02:23] <petn-randall> ,v icedove
• 470[03:02:24] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 38.8.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.1.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:45.1.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.1.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.1.0-1; sid: 1:45.2.0-1
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• 540[03:54:37] <awal1> How to get off the f***g google popup saying something like "comming here often? Set google as your default search engine"?
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• 542[03:55:23] <awal1> Well, if I use xul-ext-noscript I dont get that notification, but without noscript, it's always there...
• 543[03:56:06] <awal1> ^when using google search engine^
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• 569[04:25:12] <lasdam> are package names in the official debian apt-repositories always the same between different Debian versions (unless the software vendors actually change the name of the software)? or how are package names in the official debian apt-repositories really decided?
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• 573[04:28:01] <jmcnaught> lasdam: when the upstream project changes its name, the original package becomes a meta-package that depends on a new package which has the new name
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• 580[04:30:24] <lasdam> jmcnaught: thank you!
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• 651[05:34:57] <Tenacious-Techhu> Anyone on here know their way through debugfs at all?
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• 669[05:43:52] <luxflow> hello I added pcie ethernet card, but added one interface name is eth2, and internal one name is eth0, how can I change eth2 -> eth1?
• 670[05:44:14] <luxflow> why eth2? not eth1?
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• 674[05:45:37] <luxflow> problem solved.. edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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• 698[06:05:47] <sayur> hello guys
• 699[06:05:50] <sayur> i have problem with dhpc server in debian7
• 700[06:05:53] <sayur> i have problem with dhpc server in debian7
• 701[06:05:58] <sayur> i have 2 client and both have same IP
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• 703[06:06:12] <Gryllida> yes?
• 704[06:08:32] <calher> I can't find SeaMonkey.
• 705[06:09:52] <Gryllida> it used to be iceape, but, um, I don't see that either; odd
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• 712[06:19:46] <calher> Gryllida: replaced-url
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• 715[06:21:34] <Gryllida> ok thanks. I don't parse the "before the end of the regular security maintenance life cycle" idea. Package is maintained upstream, so why not?
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• 722[06:37:16] <polyzen> sayur, on different servers, yes? have you tried restarting the dhcp servers?
• 723[06:37:30] <polyzen> dhcp clients*
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• 725[06:37:47] <sayur> polyzen: solved
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• 727[06:38:22] <sayur> 2 client have same mac address
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• 762[07:06:29] <Haxxa> Hi Guys I am trying to setup NUT on my debian server but I am getting this error on starting the service:
• 763[07:06:31] <Haxxa> Jul 26 15:03:37 Home-Server-U1 systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Network UPS Tools - power devices information server.
• 764[07:06:36] <Haxxa> any ideas
• 765[07:07:06] <Haxxa> In syslog I have this message: Jul 26 15:06:37 Home-Server-U1 upsmon[1325]: UPS [eaton3s@localhost]: connect failed: Connection failure: Connection refused
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• 769[07:08:23] <Haxxa> It is clearly showing under lsusb:
• 770[07:08:27] <Haxxa> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0463:ffff MGE UPS Systems UPS
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• 777[07:16:56] <Haxxa> Ok I figured it out random stray "q" was at the bootm of a config file
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• 823[07:57:45] <latemus> anyone know how to get alsa to agreggate multiple soundcards?
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• 826[07:59:01] <ransur0t> latemus: what is your usage scenario?
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• 830[08:00:13] <latemus> i want to get audacity and at another point in time, ardour to use four identical cards, each having six inputs, to record from all inputs at once
• 831[08:00:17] <latemus> ransur0t: ^^
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• 836[08:01:48] <ransur0t> wow, tricky. i use audacity, yet have only ever recorded from a single source at once. have you checked audacity's wiki to see if it at all possible?
• 837[08:02:47] <latemus> ransur0t: one caveat is that i need to ignore certain inputs. each card has 4 analog in, and four analog out, plus spdif i/o which i'd like to disable entirely if possible, because when i configure audacity to record from the first say, 12 intputs, i am getting the analog _and_ spdif unputs which is bad, cause my cards have spdif circuitry but NOT inputs
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• 839[08:02:52] <ransur0t> latemus: out this link: replaced-url
• 840[08:03:24] <ransur0t> *check
• 841[08:03:39] <latemus> ransur0t: i have been reading on the alsa wiki, but didnt see anything about agregating inputs. jackd may be an intermediate layer i need
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• 843[08:03:53] <latemus> ransur0t: thanks for the doc link, i'll go see what it says.
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• 845[08:04:22] <ransur0t> i think so, if I recall correctly. jack is exactly designed for needs like yours :)
• 846[08:04:30] <ransur0t> yw
• 847[08:04:43] <latemus> ransur0t: :D right on
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• 849[08:06:04] <latemus> ransur0t: do you happen to know if jackd can make use of the realtime scheduler?
• 850[08:06:11] <latemus> i imagine it would
• 851[08:06:32] <ransur0t> yes, it should be capable in that way
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• 853[08:07:00] <latemus> ok cool.
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• 890[08:32:21] <complib> hi, i've got question on this `exim4 - AUTH_SERVER_ALLOW_NOTLS_PASSWORDS` what does this macro means?
• 891[08:32:33] <complib> does it mean it allow plaintext password to exim?
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• 896[08:36:16] <babilen> complib: There's #exim on this channel
• 897[08:36:29] <babilen> err .. network naturally
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• 899[08:36:42] <complib> #exim chan always say it's debian specific...
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• 901[08:36:56] <complib> there's no debian-exim channel, is there?!
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• 911[08:41:51] <ransur0t> complib: check out documentation in /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian, particularly line 257 and ff
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• 918[08:44:28] <sumi> hello
• 919[08:44:37] <complib> ransur0t, that doesn't help much, if i reconfigure exim from scratch when debian team already setup much of it. and i'm a newbie... sigh. thanks anyway
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• 921[08:47:15] <ransur0t> ah, I see. do you want to enable this?
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• 923[08:47:30] <ransur0t> i.e, =true?
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• 928[08:49:20] <complib> i'm trying to figure out the AUTH_SERVER_ALLOW_NOTLS_PASSWORDS default value
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• 931[08:50:44] <complib> setting true = setting yes? if true means the password is exposed? or setting false the passsword is exposed?
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• 933[08:52:07] <ransur0t> i am not sure, have not set up myself. can you enable (see here: replaced-url
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• 941[08:57:27] <ransur0t> also, wiki link here: replaced-url
• 942[08:57:34] <ransur0t> may find your answer
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• 954[09:02:30] <complib> thanks :)
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• 972[09:15:45] <ransur0t> yw
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• 1009[09:40:19] <afx__> hello ! I am using debian 8 x64 and my S5 mini android phone gets connects/disconnects on random times . What could be the issue?
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• 1011[09:40:32] <ransur0t> cool, yw
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• 1022[09:45:06] <afx__> yes I think mtp related . will post there too angor
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• 1101[10:26:41] <FUNG-KU> Hi, i am looking for a distros that are based on debian "Squeeze"
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• 1103[10:27:15] <fagbodildage> why don't you make your first stop google, then?
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• 1106[10:28:15] <slax0r> google is a distro based on debian squeeze? :O
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• 1114[10:31:18] <nkuttler> meh, does somebody know a tool that can read a filemaker database? all my research only leads me to "replacements", i just want to read the darn thing
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• 1125[10:36:07] <fagbodildage> nkuttler: replaced-url
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• 1132[10:39:49] <fagbodildage> nkuttler: this may be more useful, however: replaced-url
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• 1136[10:40:32] <V4GINAL_S3X> <TestingIRC> if someone ever send you that text "<body><iframe src="replaced-url
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• 1143[10:42:39] <unborn> windows what? ...who would use windows these days?
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• 1147[10:44:23] <V4GINAL_S3X> unborn: well, I do
• 1148[10:44:42] <unborn> V4GINAL_S3X: and site .ru cannot be even rich - its dead. You just do FUD...
• 1149[10:44:42] <fagbodildage> heathen
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• 1151[10:44:49] <V4GINAL_S3X> but if you where on windows that iframe would have caused windows defender to wipe your logs
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• 1153[10:44:58] <unborn> V4GINAL_S3X: good luck with that spyware called windows then
• 1154[10:44:59] <V4GINAL_S3X> unborn: doesnt matter
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• 1158[10:45:35] <unborn> V4GINAL_S3X: if you want to stay safe and secured use linux
• 1159[10:46:03] <electrostat> hmm that just triggered windows defender for me
• 1160[10:46:04] <electrostat> xD
• 1161[10:46:20] <V4GINAL_S3X> unborn: and have access to MAYBE 10% of the software I want
• 1162[10:46:36] <V4GINAL_S3X> and no experience with the de facto standard OS for common non-techie users
• 1163[10:46:57] <V4GINAL_S3X> which would make it hard to support said OS in my IT career I am noving towards
• 1164[10:47:07] <unborn> that is what it is saying so if there is no source of the script how can be anything triggered?
• 1165[10:47:13] <V4GINAL_S3X> unborn: yes, probably revoked domain due to malware
• 1166[10:47:27] <V4GINAL_S3X> but it USED to embed javascript exploits from that site
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• 1168[10:47:35] <V4GINAL_S3X> so Windows Defender got it in a definition update
• 1169[10:47:38] <electrostat> V4GINAL_S3X, i see
• 1170[10:47:40] <V4GINAL_S3X> and to this day, it is there
• 1171[10:48:00] <unborn> V4GINAL_S3X: im ICT pro.. the only software missing on linux could be games...rest is there
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• 1173[10:48:04] <V4GINAL_S3X> unborn: so all the windows users have their Windows Defender labeling their IRC log file as a virus
• 1174[10:48:12] <V4GINAL_S3X> and wiping it clean
• 1175[10:48:53] <unborn> in ict pro worlds windows has been dying long time.. all pros I know they use macs or linux now..
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• 1177[10:49:45] <unborn> V4GINAL_S3X: okay sure.. domain is dead so it should not trigger anything on your pc any more. problem solved.
• 1178[10:50:00] <electrostat> V4GINAL_S3X, this is hilarious man xD
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• 1180[10:50:08] <V4GINAL_S3X> no, that means as HTML it cannot embed javascript from the site
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• 1182[10:50:24] <electrostat> its the literal html
• 1183[10:50:29] <V4GINAL_S3X> but it was so bad that they literally defined that string of text as a virus in Windows Defender
• 1184[10:50:40] <electrostat> right thats what i was thinking
• 1185[10:50:44] <V4GINAL_S3X> even if its in a text file without the .html extension
• 1186[10:50:45] <electrostat> like to have it embedded
• 1187[10:51:07] <V4GINAL_S3X> so if you are on Windows and have not exempted your logfile its being wiped now
• 1188[10:51:39] <electrostat> yep -_- i went and manually set it just now
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• 1190[10:52:27] <unborn> V4GINAL_S3X: if you use windows 10 then you can get your logs back from mircosoft cloud or one drive or whatever they call it
• 1191[10:52:40] <V4GINAL_S3X> unborn: not unless you put it there
• 1192[10:52:42] <unborn> it copy all your data out
• 1193[10:52:53] <electrostat> wat
• 1194[10:52:53] <unborn> its automatic
• 1195[10:52:56] <electrostat> no it doesnt
• 1196[10:52:59] <V4GINAL_S3X> no I know for a fact thats not true in any forn
• 1197[10:53:01] <V4GINAL_S3X> *form
• 1198[10:53:12] <electrostat> im literally sitting here on windows 10
• 1199[10:53:19] <electrostat> and have also worked on win 10
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• 1201[10:53:23] <electrostat> so no unborn
• 1202[10:53:51] <V4GINAL_S3X> on my shit internet bandwidth, and with all the massive files I have on my computer, if my shit was cloud backed-up, I'd damn well know from the failure to get a decent netflix stream
• 1203[10:53:57] <babilen> This really isn't a Debian support issue. It would be much appreciated if you could take it elsewhere. Thank you.
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• 1206[10:54:05] <unborn> it does - if you have firewall i mean physical check out what is going out of your network..same for key strokes and other stuff
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• 1208[10:54:10] <V4GINAL_S3X> as it would be updating the copy of my VMs' hard disks
• 1209[10:54:33] <V4GINAL_S3X> unborn: keystrokes, not likely due to risk of lawsuit
• 1210[10:54:43] <babilen> Please
• 1211[10:54:56] <unborn> because you didnt agree or did not click something on windows 10 - perhaps guys do your research.. this is debian channel for LINUX and not for win
• 1212[10:54:56] <ransur0t> V4GINAL_S3X: ^^^ ditoo
• 1213[10:54:58] <V4GINAL_S3X> but all the files, hell no. I have dozens of gigs of .vdi files I created today.
• 1214[10:55:09] <electrostat> sorry babilen was not trying to encourage it :(
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• 1216[10:55:23] <V4GINAL_S3X> if it was being uploaded to the cloud i'd have heard my sister screaming NETFLIX ISN'T LOADING!
• 1217[10:55:29] <V4GINAL_S3X> as our connection sucks
• 1218[10:56:06] <babilen> V4GINAL_S3X: This really isn't on-topic in this channel. It would be much appreciated if you could continue this discussion in a more appropriate place. Ta
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• 1220[10:56:14] <unborn> V4GINAL_S3X: here is eula which makes it completely legal replaced-url
• 1221[10:56:22] <babilen> ...
• 1222[10:56:35] <electrostat> :/
• 1223[10:56:36] <unborn> can someone mute that noise please? this is linux chan
• 1224[10:56:54] <ransur0t> yes, 2nd that, mute this nonsense
• 1225[10:57:02] <babilen> Just drop it
• 1226[10:57:29] <V4GINAL_S3X> unborn: firstly, that doesnt necesarily mean that. Lots of companies where successfully sued by ppl who signed unconditional waivers that were rules illegal
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• 1230[10:57:55] <babilen> V4GINAL_S3X: It *really* isn't on-topic here
• 1231[10:58:04] * unborn thanks
• 1232[10:58:14] <ransur0t> babilen: thanks
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• 1234[10:58:40] <electrostat> thanks from me as well
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• 1238[11:02:21] <unborn> anyway - how to enable auto update? :)
• 1239[11:02:51] <unborn> what I found is till I dont do apt-get update and upgrade my system will not tells me about updates..
• 1240[11:03:38] <missmbob> unborn: replaced-url
• 1241[11:03:45] <unborn> so turning this option on would be great or perhaps turn auto update of the system on.. I know that thing can be done as in webmin that option is presented
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• 1243[11:03:54] <unborn> missmbob: im on it, thanks
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• 1248[11:05:28] <Drone93019302791> Check out the LESBIAN FETISH PORN at electrosluts.com and wiredpussy.com
• 1249[11:05:34] <unborn> missmbob: that worked, thanks
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• 1254[11:06:47] -LesbianPorn- Check out the LESBIAN FETISH PORN at electrosluts.com and wiredpussy.com
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• 1259[11:07:44] <ransur0t> ban please
• 1260[11:08:03] <ransur0t> or kick, etc....
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• 1262[11:08:45] <electrostat> there was a k-line...+
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• 1265[11:09:39] <unborn> i dont really understand why people do such a stuff
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• 1271[11:12:57] <latemus> when i try to start jackd as unprivileged user, i get the following error hastebin.com/amemumuwiw.vhdl
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• 1281[11:15:28] <ransur0t> latemus: url/hyperlink not active
• 1282[11:15:48] <unborn> replaced-url
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• 1284[11:15:57] <unborn> ransur0t: ^^^ lol
• 1285[11:16:24] <ransur0t> thx :)
• 1286[11:16:44] <ransur0t> i was lazy
• 1287[11:16:58] <latemus> replaced-url
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• 1294[11:18:21] <ransur0t> hmm, bus error -- hardware access problem
• 1295[11:18:25] <latemus> must i start jackd as root?
• 1296[11:18:29] <latemus> hm
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• 1298[11:18:49] <ransur0t> most likely running as root will allow permission/access to hardware
• 1299[11:18:53] <latemus> i am on powerpc architecture
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• 1302[11:19:03] <latemus> same error as root :[
• 1303[11:19:09] <ransur0t> ugg, bumer
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• 1305[11:19:56] <latemus> thanks anyway ransur0t
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• 1307[11:20:07] <ransur0t> apparently this bus error is infamous, and there's a solution ...
• 1308[11:20:32] <ransur0t> see if this gets you in the right direction: replaced-url
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• 1313[11:24:25] <latemus> thanks ransur0t, im reading the ras pi article at present
• 1314[11:24:27] <latemus> thanks bro
• 1315[11:24:40] <ransur0t> yw, keep at it!
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• 1340[11:39:32] <msev-> Does anyone of you guys have PS3-Eye camera+mic for which you could tell me if it works out of the box on debian jessie (gonna try to use it on orangepi)
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• 1342[11:40:29] <msev-> Im just interested in the mic support
• 1343[11:40:49] <msev-> Since that one has a 4 mic array and i wonder if it works
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• 1350[11:42:40] <allamoox> Hello
• 1351[11:42:42] <allamoox> replaced-url
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• 1353[11:43:53] <babilen> allamoox: Please paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy openjdk-7-jre-headless tzdata-java" to replaced-url
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• 1356[11:44:32] <nikitasius> allamoox: aptitude show tzdata-java
• 1357[11:44:47] <zifixfy> When running LVM volume management I'm getting the following error: No D-BUS daemon running (system-config-lvm.py:6566): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:, Dbus is running as user, tried export $(dbus-launch) as root but still same error
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• 1359[11:45:16] <logan_d> Hi guys anyone familiar withpolicykit ?
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• 1361[11:45:43] <dionysus69> I have a serious concern I am getting errors similar to these on various sites time to time
• 1362[11:45:44] <dionysus69> Going to Google gives me "replaced-url
• 1363[11:45:56] <dionysus69> now I got error on github too
• 1364[11:46:09] <petemc> dionysus69: is your system time correct?
• 1365[11:46:10] <zifixfy> dionysus69: check time
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• 1367[11:46:25] <dionysus69> I read its because of a man in a middle attack, is there any way I can know whats wrong?
• 1368[11:46:33] <dionysus69> how do I check system time
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• 1371[11:46:43] <dionysus69> the time my GUI shows is correct
• 1372[11:46:48] <petemc> and date?
• 1373[11:46:55] <dionysus69> yes it is also correct
• 1374[11:47:03] <dionysus69> I never changed it
• 1375[11:47:18] <logan_d> is thera ny way to disable policy kit ? I cannot kill process
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• 1377[11:48:49] <nikitasius> dionysus69: open replaced-url
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• 1379[11:49:39] <nikitasius> whois dionysus69
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• 1381[11:50:02] <dionysus69> nikitasius: I get this "0x10k = HEX10000:OCT200000:DEC65536 = 64kbytes.. >> 2015-09-**, soon!"
• 1382[11:50:23] <nikitasius> dionysus69: but cert is green, so.. it mean that comodo cert passed well
• 1383[11:50:31] <dionysus69> but ye in upper left corner I get comodo cert
• 1384[11:50:35] <nikitasius> via cloudflare
• 1385[11:50:45] <dionysus69> so I am good?
• 1386[11:51:13] <dionysus69> I am not very good with system/network security obviously lol
• 1387[11:51:15] <nikitasius> yep. in case of cloudflare cdn with ssl. can you post screenshot of github certificate?
• 1388[11:51:36] <nikitasius> where you have problems.
• 1389[11:51:52] <dionysus69> I dont get it anymore, I didnt take screenshot :\
• 1390[11:52:00] <dionysus69> but thanks anyway, next time I ll take a screenshot
• 1391[11:52:07] <nikitasius> ahh.. so now it works?
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• 1399[11:53:54] <dionysus69> yep
• 1400[11:53:56] <unborn> dionysus69: when you get ssl error next time, check if you use your own internet connection or you connected to outside
• 1401[11:53:57] <nikitasius> probable (people can throw something in me if im wrong): you didn't had root cert (for one of certificate issuers) installed in your system. Sometime certificates goes with chain (root+2nd + curent) and system can recognize them as valid.
• 1402[11:54:07] <dionysus69> I just did some cookie deletion and cache clearing
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• 1404[11:55:04] <unborn> i mean usually when you connected to free wifi (the dodgy one) you will get those errors
• 1405[11:55:38] <nikitasius> unborn: certificate errors via network connection its MiTM
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• 1407[11:55:46] <dionysus69> I am on home network
• 1408[11:55:49] <nikitasius> in case if system have root certs
• 1409[11:56:54] <unborn> nikitasius: of course thats why I told him that he should check where he is connected to.. fake ap can give you those..
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• 1412[11:57:18] <dionysus69> you mean I should check my public ip address right?
• 1413[11:57:24] <unborn> dionysus69: sure, I would still suggest to check it out ;)
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• 1415[11:57:38] <dionysus69> kk cool thanks allot
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• 1419[11:58:05] <unborn> dionysus69: that could change at any time - unless you have static IP.. which country you from?
• 1420[11:58:16] <allamoox> babilen: nikitasius Thank you
• 1421[11:58:27] <babilen> allamoox: Hmm?
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• 1427[11:59:36] <unborn> dionysus69: sometimes this can happen if you are on 3g network too.. they inject some stuff to pages to make them more faster for mobile devices... you can check that very easy.. just view source code on page..
• 1428[11:59:48] <nikitasius> allamoox: you're welcome!
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• 1481[12:28:33] <freeaks> hi there, how can i have xmodmap to run all the time ? (after getting back from suspend, lock, or when starting Xsession)
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• 1484[12:29:11] <freeaks> i tried to create a file: /etc/systemd/system/resume@freeeaks.service
• 1485[12:29:36] <freeaks> but that didn't seem to work after a lock/resume
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• 1489[12:30:28] <freeaks> replaced-url
• 1490[12:30:34] <freeaks> here's what i've put in it
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• 1497[12:32:20] <ransur0t> will xkb work for you instead?
• 1498[12:33:07] <ransur0t> freeaks: replaced-url
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• 1504[12:38:02] <freeaks> ransur0t, thanks for reply, but,
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• 1506[12:38:25] <freeaks> i use xmodmap to switch control_l with Super_R keys
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• 1508[12:38:43] <freeaks> i don't think xkb can help with that?
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• 1510[12:39:30] <ransur0t> not sure - take a look here: replaced-url
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• 1568[13:03:39] <freeaks> so surely what i'm trying to do can be done with xkb too, thank for telling
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• 1577[13:07:19] <ransur0t> freeaks: yup, cool yw :)
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• 1595[13:14:20] <dionysus69> I am getting this error now while trying to enter github
• 1596[13:14:20] <dionysus69> Fastly error: unknown domain: github.com. Please check that this domain has been added to a service.
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• 1600[13:16:43] <nikitasius> dionysus69: can you share screenshot on imgur? with error and certificate
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• 1602[13:18:32] <petn-randall> dionysus69: What command or program are you using?
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• 1611[13:24:23] <unborn> dionysus69: just take screenshot and share :) it would be useful to have a look on your connection as well
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• 1615[13:25:33] <unborn> dionysus69: can you share it?
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• 1620[13:27:49] <unborn> what takes it so long?
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• 1644[13:40:55] <dionysus69> there was no certificate information displayed just that error :\
• 1645[13:41:12] <dionysus69> I just deleted cookies and cache again and it worked again
• 1646[13:41:16] <babilen> dionysus69: What did display that error?
• 1647[13:41:20] <dionysus69> firefox
• 1648[13:41:38] <babilen> Right .. it helps if you mention details like that :)
• 1649[13:41:42] <dionysus69> strangely though, I opened up chrome and same error poped up
• 1650[13:42:00] <dionysus69> chrome shouldn't have had cookies so that is strange
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• 1653[13:42:52] <nikitasius> ping github.com
• 1654[13:43:02] <nikitasius> dionysus69: try to ping it
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• 1656[13:44:06] <dionysus69> now it works fine
• 1657[13:44:11] <dionysus69> I can enter site with browsers
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• 1659[13:44:23] <dionysus69> ping also works
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• 1663[13:47:49] <latemus> jackd was giving me a bus error on my ppc32 architecture box, even with the dummy backend so i removed jack, to build the latest jack2 from github. when i try to configure the build with support for alsa, the configure script fails to find alsa. but i see that alsa-base is an acceptible version, i think the faliure is that the confgure script wants a package by the name of 'alsa', which debian aint has
• 1664[13:47:55] <latemus> have
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• 1679[13:54:11] <ransur0t> latemus: if is name error, you can edit the config script to search for the current package name, if it is indeed a match to the dependency requirements
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• 1681[13:54:44] <ransur0t> as a workaround
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• 1687[13:59:35] <latemus> ransur0t: mhm k thanks again bro
• 1688[13:59:41] <latemus> i'll try it out
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• 1692[14:02:45] <ransur0t> yw
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• 1707[14:07:15] <Meliorate> hi all, could some kind soul please help me with removing the currently installed php5 from dotdeb repo? when i run ` apt-get purge php5` several packages complain that "Depends: php5-json" and consequently will not remove php5
• 1708[14:07:38] <Meliorate> i have tried removing php5-json, which gives similar result
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• 1711[14:08:12] <Meliorate> my sources.list does not have any dotdeb repos now, should i add them back or something?!
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• 1713[14:09:24] <jelly> Meliorate, is your end goal removing all of php, or having debian's php instead?
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• 1716[14:11:30] <jelly> Meliorate: pastebin the output of "apt-get purge php5 php5-json"; in fact, please follow these:
• 1717[14:11:35] <jelly> !basic apt trobuleshooting
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• 1719[14:12:24] <jelly> dselect, basic apt troubleshooting
• 1720[14:12:24] <dselect> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1721[14:12:47] <nohair> hi, i want to ask..
• 1722[14:12:47] * jelly can't spell
• 1723[14:13:08] <nohair> what different between apt with aptitude?
• 1724[14:13:20] <jelly> !why aptitude
• 1725[14:13:20] <dpkg> aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). replaced-url
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• 1728[14:15:04] <ransur0t> nohair: i've recently transitioned to using aptitude and am glad I made the switch
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• 1732[14:16:21] <nohair> oh i see.. i will learn extensive about it
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• 1735[14:17:00] <jelly> however.
• 1736[14:17:05] <jelly> !why not aptitude
• 1737[14:17:05] <dpkg> Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see replaced-url
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• 1741[14:18:12] <nohair> !why not apt-get
• 1742[14:18:12] <dpkg> because it's not aptitude
• 1743[14:18:27] <nohair> stay at apt-get
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• 1745[14:19:49] <Matthieu`> buffer move 14
• 1746[14:19:56] <Matthieu`> oups
• 1747[14:20:18] * petn-randall hands Matthieu` a forward slash.
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• 1749[14:20:30] <ransur0t> what is the "official" preferred tool from a debian admin's viewopint?
• 1750[14:20:37] <ransur0t> *viewpoint
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• 1752[14:20:44] <nohair> can more i ask? for knowledge
• 1753[14:20:58] <TomTomTosch> they are both used.
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• 1757[14:22:00] <babilen> ransur0t: I typically default to apt and use aptitude when I need its features or to compare different solutions
• 1758[14:22:04] <petn-randall> ransur0t: Depends on your tasks. It's like a hammer and a screwdriver. Both work fine, but for different tasks. You wouldn't say about either of them that they're preferred over the other.
• 1759[14:22:27] <babilen> aptitude is mostly used for its dependency resolution and search capabilities
• 1760[14:22:40] <babilen> dpkg: not available
• 1761[14:22:40] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
• 1762[14:22:40] <unborn> ransur0t: from sysadmin - nothings best then experience :)
• 1763[14:22:51] <babilen> You just can't do things like that ^^^ with apt :)
• 1764[14:23:18] <nohair> how to install package without suggested install
• 1765[14:23:20] <nohair> example
• 1766[14:23:44] <nohair> im trying to install mail-notification and suggested package is evolution
• 1767[14:23:45] <petn-randall> nohair: suggested packages are not installed by default. You maybe mean recommended packages?
• 1768[14:23:48] <TomTomTosch> suggested are not installed by default. only recommends.
• 1769[14:23:53] <TomTomTosch> heh
• 1770[14:23:53] <nohair> yeas
• 1771[14:23:54] <nohair> sorry
• 1772[14:24:00] <nohair> recommend
• 1773[14:24:08] <petn-randall> nohair: apt-get has --no-install-recommend, and aptitude has -R.
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• 1775[14:24:11] <ransur0t> great, thx for advice. I had become fond of the dependency resolution (running stretch), and search features ...
• 1776[14:24:18] <petn-randall> * --no-install-recommends
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• 1778[14:24:34] <nohair> thanks for knowledge petn-randall TomTomTosch
• 1779[14:24:52] <ransur0t> good to know the "best tool" approach is valid, and they work well in tandem, used as needed/preferred
• 1780[14:25:02] <unborn> babilen: we all know - its pointless isnt it? :)
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• 1786[14:27:19] <TomTomTosch> as a sidenote, apt is the tool you expect to find on every debian system. aptitude might not be installed. it has a lower priority.
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• 1788[14:28:38] <nohair> is there debian ebook for i read?
• 1789[14:29:13] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
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• 1791[14:31:05] <derito> Hello. Why do you think the snmptrad daemon would act differently than snmptrapd -f -Lo -c /etc/snmp/snmptrapd.conf ? There's no other snmptrapd conf file anywhere on the system. And it was installed through apt.
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• 1795[14:34:46] <Alina-malina> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory why this is happening with my dongle when i try to ifconfig wlan0 up?
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• 1802[14:43:52] <LAL> Hello everyone, I am beginner who is very much interested in contributing Debian code base. Please give me a proper guidance.
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• 1806[14:45:57] <jelly> LAL, have you read the links at replaced-url
• 1807[14:47:24] <jelly> how long have you been using Debian by now LAL? Do you have any favorite software or data components you'd be interesting in adding to? Have you found any bugs and filed reports yet?
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• 1820[14:52:52] <debian031> Hello, I just want to disable my firewall (/etc/init.d/firewall - iptable) when my computer is restarted (Debian jessie). Can you help me ?
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• 1825[14:55:27] <jelly> debian031, can you figure out which package sets up the firewall? There is none in the default installation.
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• 1828[14:56:20] <jelly> if you know there's an init script for it, you can dpkg -S /etc/init.d/initscriptname to see which package brought it
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• 1831[14:57:00] <rozie> is there any user friendly way to display all not supported items?
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• 1833[14:57:25] <LAL> jelly: I just installed Debian few months ago and I found an interest on it. So I interested to work on Debian code base :)
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• 1835[14:58:11] <debian031> jelly, thanks, I have firewall ( /etc/etc.d/firewall ) and it is started automatically. I just want to disable
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• 1843[15:00:30] <TomTomTosch> /etc/init.d/firewall is not provided by any package in debian.
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• 1854[15:02:14] <rozie> ups. wrong channel. sorry
• 1855[15:02:29] <debian031> TomTomTosch yes, I have installed a few time ago (iptables) but I just want disable :) nobody knows how to disable a service at boot ? :/
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• 1865[15:04:10] <LAL> jelly: ^^
• 1866[15:04:16] <blubee> hi guys quick question, i am running debian on a macbook pro but this machine can never hibernate or sleep
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• 1869[15:04:27] <sypher> debian031: If that service wasn't installed by any Debian package, it may not follow the standard method for service management.
• 1870[15:04:28] <blubee> is there anyway that I can check what is preventing the machine from being able to sleep/ hybernate?
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• 1877[15:05:58] <Devastator> what is debian's recommended way to change a service default port, like ssh for example, if any?
• 1878[15:06:08] <sypher> Devastator: Depends on the service, typically.
• 1879[15:06:21] <TomTomTosch> debian031: this would be easier if you just answered the questions asked. if it's something you didn't get from a debian repo you can just chmod -x /etc/etc.d/firewall
• 1880[15:06:25] <sypher> Devastator: ssh would be changed via sshd_config, etc.
• 1881[15:06:39] <Devastator> sypher /etc/sshd_config?
• 1882[15:06:52] <TomTomTosch> bah! s/etc.d/init.d/
• 1883[15:07:12] <sypher> Devastator: /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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• 1887[15:08:42] <Devastator> sypher so basically I change the port there and /etc/init.d/ssh restart?
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• 1891[15:08:55] <blubee> anyone w/ any tips on this macbook pro sleep/hibernation issue?
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• 1893[15:09:12] <sypher> Devastator: That's one way, yes. service ssh restart, systemctl restart ssh, etc.
• 1894[15:09:25] <Devastator> okie, let's see
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• 1896[15:09:55] <latemus> are the buildscripts used by package maintainers standardized and publicly available/
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• 1901[15:10:55] <Skyrider> Is anyone familiar with screen & the ctrl + a command line to hide the screen?
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• 1905[15:11:15] <Skyrider> detatch, rather.
• 1906[15:11:26] <latemus> i need to recompile, and jackd2 uses a strange build system called waf, i cant penetrate it enough to change it's path to the alsa package
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• 1910[15:12:39] <Skyrider> nvm ;)
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• 1922[15:18:34] <atralhea-> hi, im having problem printing non-ascii characters on the shell of debian server. how can I fix that?
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• 1940[15:26:32] <rapha> hi
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• 1942[15:27:18] <rapha> i just wrote a bugreport using reportbug, then it wasn't able to send it away by email (it didn't even bother to ASK for my SMTP password). is there a way i can recover the bug report or is it lost forever?
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• 1944[15:28:25] <themill> what smtp server did you tell reportbug to use?
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• 1951[15:34:47] <babilen> rapha: I typically configure reportbug to use Debian's SMTP servers (reportbug --configure)
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• 1963[15:39:44] <stayKlassy> Hello. I installed windows 10 on my laptop. I chose 'something else' under the installation type on ubuntu installer, then created 3 new partitions; an / one, a home one and a swap one while installing ubuntu and chose as 'Device for boot loader installation' 'Windows boot manager'. When I boot up my computer, it boots up windows without letting me choose ubuntu. What am I doign wrong?
• 1964[15:40:19] <rapha> themill: babilen: i told it to use my own, which requires smtp-auth. i was expecting it to work like thunderbird's mail server configuration UI.
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• 1966[15:40:31] <rapha> but the real question is, can i get back the text of my bug report now?
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• 1968[15:41:09] <jelly> if it failed to send and detected the failure, it should have told you where a copy of the report was
• 1969[15:41:34] <jelly> rapha, pastebin as complete an output of reportbug as you can
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• 1971[15:41:59] <jelly> try not to scroll it off that terminal :-)
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• 1979[15:43:20] <rapha> jelly: oh, there was no terminal involved in the making of that bug report. i started it through xfce's menu.
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• 1982[15:43:50] <rapha> jelly: it did tell me that it would save the report if no connection was possible, but it told me no path.
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• 1987[15:47:29] <babilen> rapha: I think it saves it somewhere in /tmp
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• 1994[15:47:59] <babilen> stayKlassy: Try #ubuntu
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• 1996[15:48:14] <ashka> hello, I feel like upgrading squid3 from 3.4.8-6+deb8u2 to 3.4.8-6+deb8u3 messed up my system somehow, whole /tmp is owned by proxy:proxy (uid 13 gid 13) and it doesn't feel right, getting permission errors on sockets and stuff like this
• 1997[15:48:22] <stayKlassy> babilen, no one is helping me there but I think that I figured out, finally, after hours of reading
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• 1999[15:48:43] <babilen> stayKlassy: You could install Debian if you prefer this channel
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• 2002[15:50:24] <rapha> babilen: awesome, I found it! Thank you!
• 2003[15:50:44] <rapha> babilen: so you guys all configure reportbug to use mail.debian.org?
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• 2005[15:51:13] <babilen> rapha: I have "smtphost reportbug.debian.org" in my ~/.reportbugrc
• 2006[15:51:38] <babilen> That's a working default if you don't configure reportbug to use "your own" server
• 2007[15:51:52] <themill> You can also have smtpuser and smtppasswd if you want
• 2008[15:52:24] <stayKlassy> babilen, could you find me the ubuntu jessie .iso (64-bit) that includes MATE?
• 2009[15:52:28] <stayKlassy> i cant find it
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• 2011[15:52:41] <stayKlassy> and i cant use netinst atm
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• 2014[15:52:55] <rapha> babilen: okay, so i'll try that. how can i send the saved bug report off now?
• 2015[15:53:06] <babilen> stayKlassy: Ubuntu Jessie?
• 2016[15:53:18] <dionysus69> same certificate error poped now on atom.io replaced-url
• 2017[15:53:28] <paul98> hi when i start up my vpn, i get this device added (path: /sys/devices/virtual/net/tun0, iface: tun0): no ifupdown configuration found.
• 2018[15:53:33] <stayKlassy> babilen, lol i meant debian
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• 2020[15:53:43] <babilen> dpkg: tell stayKlassy -about install mate
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• 2022[15:54:07] <paul98> thats with the vpn cofnigured through network manager
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• 2024[15:54:29] <babilen> stayKlassy: I'm not sure if there is a specific MATE CD1, but you might just want to use the netinstall image and download the rest during the installation.
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• 2026[15:54:42] <babilen> stayKlassy: Does your hardware require firmware?
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• 2028[15:54:45] <jelly> rapha, ouch. Run reportbug in an already open terminal, next time.
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• 2030[15:55:31] <rapha> jelly: why would i do that if it presents itself as a menu entry in my DE?
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• 2032[15:55:36] <stayKlassy> babilen, i dont know. how do i find out?
• 2033[15:55:50] <babilen> rapha: You could just mail it to submit@bugs.debian.org
• 2034[15:55:52] <jelly> rapha, to see the last of its output
• 2035[15:56:02] <babilen> stayKlassy: Are you running linux right now?
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• 2038[15:56:42] <stayKlassy> babilen, no
• 2039[15:56:43] <rapha> babilen: it looks like the source code of an email though ... so i'm not sure about just copy and pasting it...
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• 2041[15:57:00] <jelly> rapha, or file another bug against it or xfce, noting the window was closed immediately without you being able to see the output it said when it died :-)
• 2042[15:57:29] <rapha> jelly: but how would i know beforehand that a program which presents itself as user friendly like that would go behind my back by looking later like it might have eaten my data?
• 2043[15:57:37] <jelly> exactly.
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• 2045[15:57:40] <babilen> stayKlassy: Okay, how do you connect to the internet, do you have a second computer available and would it be acceptable for Debian to download packages during the installation?
• 2046[15:57:43] <rapha> jelly: okay that's a funny suggestion :)
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• 2054[15:59:35] <rapha> okay, mailed it out
• 2055[15:59:39] <rapha> thanks for you help all!
• 2056[15:59:56] <babilen> rapha: And don't forget to configure reportbug to use Debian's SMTP server for next time! :)
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• 2061[16:01:07] <stayKlassy> babilen, never mind. I will just try debian netinst although I will have to go at a friend's place..
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• 2063[16:01:16] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
• 2064[16:01:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 2065[16:01:25] <babilen> stayKlassy: Use ^^ it comes with firmware
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• 2069[16:02:17] <t4nk950> hey guys hows it going, i have a questio, I want to go back to debian but i would like to use a distro that takes care of all the driver managment like graphics cards and codecs and stuff like that. What would you recommend?
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• 2073[16:02:48] <teraflops> debian
• 2074[16:02:53] <stayKlassy> babilen, thanks. i didnt know about it. does it automatically load the firmware?
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• 2079[16:03:21] <babilen> stayKlassy: It does .. it might still ask you to provide it, but you can ignore it and just continue
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• 2081[16:03:32] <babilen> (not sure right now)
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• 2083[16:03:50] <stayKlassy> ok
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• 2092[16:06:06] <t4nk950> whats the difference between putting stretch and testing
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• 2097[16:07:22] <fagbodildage> "stretch" will become synonymous with stable in time, testing will always be testing
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• 2099[16:07:58] <fagbodildage> give it enough time and "stretch" will be synonymous with oldstable
• 2100[16:08:08] <babilen> Or ... oldoldstable!
• 2101[16:08:34] <fagbodildage> you're old, babilen
• 2102[16:08:39] <t4nk950> i see thanks
• 2103[16:08:47] <sine0> I have been going apt-get install crazy with python and pip versiona and i have made a mess. how do i start listing whats installed today and how do i remove those
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• 2108[16:09:36] <latemus> should alsa be listed in pkg-config?
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• 2110[16:10:09] <mijk> wow that's a lot of people
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• 2113[16:10:45] <babilen> mijk: And with you even more ! :)
• 2114[16:10:55] <teraflops> t4nk950: so if you want stretch, avoid having testing in your sources.list or after the freeze you'll end having testing again, not strecht
• 2115[16:11:06] <babilen> sine0: A look at /var/log/apt/history.log might help
• 2116[16:11:08] <mijk> so I'm stuck on Wheezy with my laptop lest I sacrifice graphic acceleration and I'm trying to install Windows 8.1 in kvm. I'm using QXL and Spice.
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• 2119[16:11:43] <mijk> problem is that spice-client-gtk appears to be outdated and isn't processing the video smoothly (or so I read)
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• 2121[16:12:06] <mijk> I cannot for the life of me install anything newer than the available 0.12-5
• 2122[16:12:19] <mijk> I tried to build but it fails every time
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• 2124[16:12:28] <fagbodildage> !dpkg backports
• 2125[16:12:28] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 2126[16:12:30] <latemus> anyone know? from what i'vj boon reading, it looks like in wheezy, alsa was cataloged by pkg-config. bit on this jessie install, i didnt install the debian desktop environment from the disk. I just installed alsa using apt-get
• 2127[16:12:31] <mijk> I must have installed 1GB+ of libraries and dev packages
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• 2131[16:13:54] <fagbodildage> mijk: that backport thing was for you
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• 2133[16:14:05] <mijk> ah k thanks
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• 2135[16:14:32] <mijk> so how can I check what ver from where I'm at (not at the PC right now)
• 2136[16:14:36] <latemus> could that be why it's not in pkg-config? debeian wheezy's current jackd2 has a bug an my architecture, and i dave to rebuild from the latest git source, but jackd2's config script cant find alsa, because it is a braindamaged build system called waf, and it only queries pkg-config. can i just.. add alsa to the pkg-config db or whatever?
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• 2139[16:15:24] <latemus> arg fml, sorry i mean jessies' current jackd2 is the one with the bug
• 2140[16:15:29] <stayKlassy> babilen, you still there?
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• 2143[16:15:39] <babilen> stayKlassy: Sure
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• 2145[16:16:13] <jelly> sine0, if you installed stuff with pip as root, apt doesn't know anything about it (doing that is not a great idea)
• 2146[16:16:15] <mijk> is it a bad idea to upgrade all available packages to the backports verions?
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• 2148[16:16:23] <jelly> mijk, yes
• 2149[16:16:50] <jelly> this is why the backports repository is configured not to do that by default
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• 2152[16:17:24] <teraflops> sine0: aka sillypip
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• 2154[16:17:53] <stayKlassy> babilen, touchpad is not working, got the mouse, it loaded the wireless network firmware
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• 2159[16:19:27] <babilen> stayKlassy: Okay, is that a problem for now? I personally never perform the graphical installation, but am a bit surprised that your touchpad isn't working
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• 2168[16:24:44] <latemus> to what extent does apt make use of pkg-config?
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• 2171[16:25:37] <mijk> alright thanks, I'll try the backport version
• 2172[16:25:37] <stayKlassy> babilen, my currents partitions are; imgur.com/o4l9pzl
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• 2177[16:26:17] <stayKlassy> babilen, i am planning to make an / 10gigs, a swap 4 gigs and a home for the rest of data space
• 2178[16:26:23] <stayKlassy> should i make any other partitions
• 2179[16:26:36] <stoned> stayKlassy: next time please use replaced-url
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• 2181[16:26:46] <stoned> Try to make it easy to view your information.
• 2182[16:26:59] <stoned> Copy pasting is a bit too many steps. :)
• 2183[16:27:09] <babilen> stayKlassy: 10G / is rather small
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• 2186[16:27:45] <stoned> mine = /dev/sda3 25G 21G 3.6G 86% /
• 2187[16:27:57] <stoned> I'm almost out of space.
• 2188[16:28:22] <stoned> apt-get clean just gave me 3gb more, yay.
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• 2192[16:29:08] <glongo> hello, I've just installed jessie on an inspiron 5559 and updated to kernel 4.6 to fix the audio card, but now xorg is not working. looking at log file, I see the error "no screen found". any idea?
• 2193[16:29:17] <stoned> Is there a GUI program in debian to give me a visual overview of which directories are taking up how much space?
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• 2196[16:30:00] <stoned> glongo: which video driver were you using?
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• 2198[16:30:17] <stoned> updating to new kernel may require you to rebuild the driver module for those kernel headers
• 2199[16:30:22] <stoned> Maybe you need to do that?
• 2200[16:30:39] <glongo> stoned: maybe. so I should update the driver also?
• 2201[16:30:44] <stoned> I would.
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• 2203[16:31:08] <latemus> fuck. debian is so beurocratic
• 2204[16:31:08] <glongo> stoned: please, how can I check the driver in use? lspci?
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• 2207[16:31:35] <stoned> glongo: that should give you the device, yes. Do you remember having to do anything specific with drivers?
• 2208[16:31:51] <stoned> glongo: the inspiron dell has what video card/chipset? Do you know?
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• 2210[16:32:01] <stoned> lspci would tell you too
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• 2212[16:33:05] <glongo> stoned:
• 2213[16:33:05] <glongo> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 1916 (rev 07)
• 2214[16:33:05] <glongo> 01:00.0 Display controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M] (rev ff)
• 2215[16:33:12] <stoned> AFAIK, everytime i update my kernel or if there is kernel update, it automatically rebuilds the modules
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• 2218[16:33:37] <stayKlassy> babilen, stoned am I meant to make new other partitions or am I good to go with these 3?
• 2219[16:33:38] <glongo> radeon and i915 drivers are in use
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• 2221[16:33:42] <stoned> Ok, maybe you just need to specify which driver to use in your xorg.conf
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• 2223[16:34:07] <babilen> stayKlassy: I really wouldn't use a 10G /
• 2224[16:34:12] <stoned> what does your xorg.conf look like? Did you make one at all? or did debian autoconfigure X and give you a gui desktop upon installation?
• 2225[16:34:22] <stayKlassy> babilen, dont worry, I changed it to 20G
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• 2228[16:34:33] <glongo> stoned: debian autoconfigure X
• 2229[16:34:38] <babilen> Still small, but okay :)
• 2230[16:35:15] <stoned> I would try the debian wiki and to generate a simple minimal Xorg conf to specify your driver at least. Check xorg 0 log, which driver does it try to use?
• 2231[16:35:25] <stoned> ATI or Intel?
• 2232[16:35:36] <glongo> radeon
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• 2234[16:35:44] <stayKlassy> hmm, it is telling me that there's not an EFI partition
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• 2236[16:35:48] <stoned> pastebin the xorg log file
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• 2238[16:36:04] <rapha> babilen: already configured to do so! :)
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• 2241[16:36:13] <rapha> okay, off to the bike repair shop, got some work to do
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• 2244[16:36:47] <stoned> glongo: pastebinit package
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• 2246[16:36:57] <stoned> i thik
• 2247[16:37:10] <glongo> stoned: I may fix it, one minute please :)
• 2248[16:37:11] <stoned> I want to see why it says no screens found
• 2249[16:37:14] <stoned> sure, tyt
• 2250[16:37:27] <stoned> I shall become more myself! :D
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• 2253[16:38:41] <glongo> stoned: it seems that it's working. I've just updated xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports.
• 2254[16:38:53] <stoned> oh, you mix n matched stuffs
• 2255[16:38:58] <stoned> I only run stable, pure.
• 2256[16:39:05] <stoned> OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 8.5-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (3774.996 MHz)-Processes: 649-Uptime: 4d 9h 49m-Users: 2-Load Average: 1.01-Memory Usage: 1057.77MB/8002.51MB (-556.55%)-Disk Usage: 3402.26GB/3734.40GB (91.11%)
• 2257[16:39:32] <Fjorgynn> Host 'joker', running Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 - Cpu0: Intel 2400 MHz; Up: 320d+18:41; Users: 3; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 7/494 Mio] [Swap: 0/0 Mio] [/: 12677/20031 Mio]; Vpenis: 37.4 cm;
• 2258[16:39:48] <stoned> 3.16 pure debian high five diggity
• 2259[16:40:00] <stayKlassy> babilen, replaced-url
• 2260[16:40:22] <stayKlassy> babilen, i get the 'error' that no efi partition was found
• 2261[16:40:24] <stoned> stayKlassy: did you read debian install guide?
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• 2263[16:40:45] <stoned> stayKlassy: system requirements, specifically about projected space req. for diff install types?
• 2264[16:40:53] <stoned> What will you be using the system for?
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• 2266[16:41:01] <stoned> That would dictte how much to dedicate to /
• 2267[16:41:02] <glongo> stoned: another question. At the startup I see the grub shell instead of the boot menu. do you know why that?
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• 2269[16:41:31] <stoned> If you see grub shell, then it means something is worng. I dunno what exactly. Sorry
• 2270[16:41:43] <stoned> a boot entry could be broken
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• 2272[16:41:52] <stoned> maybe it puts you back into shell when a menu entry is wrong/broken in some way
• 2273[16:41:59] <glongo> uhm, ok. Thanks!
• 2274[16:42:53] <stayKlassy> ok figured out
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• 2276[16:44:13] <Fjorgynn> can I see what fonts I have installed
• 2277[16:44:18] <Fjorgynn> via the terminal?
• 2278[16:44:19] <Fjorgynn> :D
• 2279[16:44:28] <Fjorgynn> I have no X
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• 2282[16:45:31] <missmbob> Fjorgynn: fc-list
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• 2311[16:57:04] <Fjorgynn> omg missmbob I've got some
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• 2314[16:58:29] <Fjorgynn> I like DejaVu Serif
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• 2316[17:00:09] <stoned> Eh.
• 2317[17:00:58] <stoned> *VT100*font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed-*-13-*-*-*-*-*-*-* <- I run this font everywhere. Xorg, GTK, KDE, etc. Nothing but this font in my mind, my eyes, my visions
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• 2319[17:01:28] <stoned> Simple. Beautiful. Small. Elegant. Readable. Consistent. No goofy ticks on the edges of letters.
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• 2337[17:11:17] <molgrum> what's the practice after doing a package update on a debian server? reboot the machine or restart services?
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• 2348[17:13:16] <paul98> hi, when i try to start vpn from vpn manager i get the following error - replaced-url
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• 2354[17:16:52] <babilen> stayKlassy: Ah, you can start with "Guided Partitioning" and let it create the EFI partition and then tailor the rest to your needs
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• 2356[17:17:03] <anikras> hi
• 2357[17:17:19] <anikras> I have nagios 3 and I want add iphone
• 2358[17:17:24] <babilen> stayKlassy: That typically eases the development of a sensible partitioning scheme
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• 2364[17:20:43] <stoned> I am confused about something. I can't get the zfs volumes to mount on boot
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• 2366[17:21:25] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 2369[17:21:55] <stoned> Everytime it happens. I have to manually mount. I can't put this in fstab b/c afaik I'm having to use zfs binary to mount
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• 2372[17:22:41] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2373[17:22:44] <stoned> Any ideas?
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• 2380[17:24:11] <stoned> molgrum: reboot isn't needed unless you have a kernel upgrade/update (for which people even implement ksplice and update kernels without rebooting). Just restart the service.
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• 2382[17:24:52] <paul98> hi, when i try to run vpn from the network manage i get the following error - replaced-url
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• 2384[17:25:12] <molgrum> stoned: ok thanks!
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• 2388[17:25:23] <paul98> if i change the username to something wrong it tells me the username is incorrect, so is this not the same error
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• 2390[17:26:51] <stoned> # Run `zfs mount -a` during system start?
• 2391[17:26:53] <stoned> ZFS_MOUNT='yes'
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• 2394[17:27:12] <stoned> I dunno why my zfs volumes are not mounted on boot. The config of zfs seems good too, everywhere I look. Any advices?
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• 2399[17:30:41] <blind> Are you using zfs-fuse?
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• 2415[17:36:54] <jelly> stoned, which debian release is this?
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• 2418[17:37:18] <jelly> is your zfs support from debian or from ZoL people
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• 2422[17:39:14] <stayKlassy> babilen, ffs it boots to windows again. i give up :(
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• 2427[17:41:46] <plasmoduck> stayKlassy: have you ran update-grub ?
• 2428[17:42:01] <stoned> jelly: zol
• 2429[17:42:07] <stoned> jessie vanilla
• 2430[17:42:24] <jelly> you... probably want to ask in #zfsonlinux then
• 2431[17:42:25] <stayKlassy> plasmoduck, no
• 2432[17:42:26] <stoned> jelly: I didn't know debian included zfs. I googled it once and zol came up
• 2433[17:42:30] <stoned> oh ok
• 2434[17:42:43] <plasmoduck> stayKlassy: try that to update your boot loader.
• 2435[17:42:44] <jelly> it will probably be there in stretch I think
• 2436[17:42:47] <stoned> jelly: where can I find out about switching to debian's officially supportred version
• 2437[17:42:50] <stoned> oh
• 2438[17:42:55] <jelly> not yet
• 2439[17:43:14] * jelly runs away from the computer now
• 2440[17:43:18] <stoned> :) o/
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• 2443[17:43:54] <paul98> exit
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• 2448[17:44:49] <plasmoduck> stayKlassy: I'm off to bed, good luck ;-)
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• 2451[17:46:17] <stayKlassy_> planetmaker, how do I go to terminal while on net install?
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• 2453[17:47:15] <plasmoduck> stayKlassy: ctrl+alt+F2
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• 2458[17:47:50] <plasmoduck> Im off
• 2459[17:47:54] <stayKlassy_> . /bin/sh update-grub not found plasmoduck
• 2460[17:48:02] <helpme> hey guys
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• 2465[17:48:27] <helpme> for some reason, ssh to my debian box started being slow ever since yesterday
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• 2467[17:48:57] <helpme> has anyone else seen this issue recently?
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• 2469[17:49:09] <helpme> it takes a long time to get a username prompt on putty
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• 2471[17:49:29] <helpme> when i run top over ssh, it hangs
• 2472[17:49:47] <babilen> stayKlassy_: Sorry, I'm quite busy right now, but where did you install the bootloader?
• 2473[17:50:38] <stayKlassy_> babilen, it didnt ask me to instll it somewhere specificlly
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• 2475[17:50:54] <helpme> when i type "uname -a", the actual text shows up a minute later
• 2476[17:50:56] <babilen> Ah, that might be something that is only being asked during the expert installation
• 2477[17:51:17] <babilen> stayKlassy_: Can you select "Debian" when you open up a boot menu during the initial boot process?
• 2478[17:51:41] <stayKlassy_> babilen, let me see
• 2479[17:51:42] <babilen> stayKlassy_: So it didn't ask you to install the bootloader at all?
• 2480[17:52:07] <babilen> Sorry, I haven't used a "non-expert" installation in ages and haven't touched Windows in 15 years
• 2481[17:52:15] <babilen> (so no dual boot for me)
• 2482[17:52:44] <stayKlassy_> it doesnt
• 2483[17:52:48] <ElDiabolo> Hi. Any hints on how to install cyrus-caldav on jessie? Unlucky me did a dist-upgrade thinking "ah, I'll reinstall that later". Now I find it gone.
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• 2486[17:54:05] <babilen> judd: v cyrus-caldav
• 2487[17:54:06] <judd> Package: cyrus-caldav on amd64 -- stretch: 2.5.8-1; sid: 2.5.9-2
• 2488[17:54:16] <TomTomTosch> or maybe it didn't install to the disk you boot from. the installer usually asks where to install grub, even in normal mode.
• 2489[17:54:21] <babilen> ElDiabolo: It's only in stretch and sid
• 2490[17:54:36] <babilen> TomTomTosch: It does, doesn't it?
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• 2494[17:55:44] <ElDiabolo> babilen, I know. It was removed from jessie. Changelog says it broke cyrus replication. I did the dist-upgrade on jessie with the intention to resolve a complicated dependency situation.
• 2495[17:56:26] <ElDiabolo> babilen, Is there a way to get older jessie packages?
• 2496[17:56:41] <babilen> judd: checkbackport cyrus-caldav
• 2497[17:56:42] <judd> Backporting package cyrus-caldav in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libical-dev (>= 2.0.0).
• 2498[17:56:48] <babilen> dpkg: archive
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• 2500[17:56:48] <dpkg> archive is, like, a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
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• 2504[17:58:26] <ElDiabolo> dpkg: snapshot
• 2505[17:58:26] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 2536[18:11:21] <luxflow> Is it common practice to use stick group?
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• 2542[18:16:13] <ElDiabolo> babilen, snapshot.debian.org saved my day. Thanks, good to know that debian still is that way :)
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• 2565[18:24:54] <Meliorate> hi all, i've just upgraded from wheezy to jessie and now have an issue with apache2 not recognising any of the vhosts in /etc/apache2/sites-available. the vhost config files are physically there, but a2ensite tells me they don't exist. i don't see any relevant changes made to apache2.conf or ports.conf, so am unsure what else i can check?
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• 2575[18:28:46] <RoyK> Meliorate: there are some differences between apache 2.2 and 2.4 - can't remember the excact details - google it
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• 2582[18:29:18] <nohair> ImportError: No module named repository <--- why?
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• 2585[18:30:52] <babilen> Meliorate: replaced-url
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• 2591[18:31:27] <babilen> Meliorate: They have to end in .conf and there are some other changes between 2.2 and 2.4
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• 2593[18:31:56] <babilen> Meliorate: I'd recommend to read the upstream guide and the referenced NEWS.Debian.gz
• 2594[18:32:18] <babilen> nohair: Probably because you are missing the "repository" Python module
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• 2598[18:33:11] <Meliorate> i am so doing, thanks :)
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• 2601[18:33:45] <hightower4> Hey, I have two packages with a lib file of the same name, but in different directory. Both of the lib dirs are in ld.so.conf, and when I run the app it finds the wrong lib. What is the appropriate way to solve this situation?
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• 2605[18:35:11] <mtn> hightower4: these are packages not from the debian repos?
• 2606[18:35:29] <hightower4> mtn: no, my packages
• 2607[18:35:52] <mtn> hightower4: so, manually installed non-debian packages, right?
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• 2609[18:36:11] <hightower4> mtn: I've created two debian packages myself and installed them, yes
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• 2611[18:36:42] <mtn> hightower4: that explains the problem. linux does not keep lib files in the package folders
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• 2617[18:38:05] <ElDiabolo> hightower4, Versioned library names?
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• 2620[18:38:57] <hightower4> ElDiabolo, I have a lib named libruby.so.2.3 in both packages. They are installed in a different directory so they don't clash, but when a binary tries to find that name, it searches directories one by one in ld.so.conf locations, and finds the wrong lib first
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• 2623[18:39:55] <hightower4> So my primary question would be how does one work around this issue, when the packaged program (Ruby in this case) does not have a configure option to prefix or suffix its libs with an arbitrary unique name
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• 2627[18:40:26] <ElDiabolo> hightower4, If they are different, they should not have the same name IMHO. Ouch.
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• 2630[18:40:52] <ElDiabolo> hightower4, Just read your last one.
• 2631[18:41:24] <sqwishy> If the debian installer fails to download a package, when I retry the step it throws my preseed values out the window and uses the installer defaults without prompting. Is this normal?
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• 2637[18:43:06] <ElDiabolo> hightower4, Does starting both apps with a different LD_LIBRARY_PATH env. var. work?
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• 2640[18:43:42] <ElDiabolo> hightower4, Modifying ld.so.conf is rather unusual IMHO.
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• 2649[18:47:14] <heedly> replaced-url
• 2650[18:47:32] <heedly> Why do I get this?
• 2651[18:47:38] <hightower4> ElDiabolo, yeah, I add to ld.so.conf because the libs are not in standard locations.
• 2652[18:48:08] <hightower4> ElDiabolo, starting with LD_LIB_PATH would work (didn't try, I just assume it'd work as it always does), but that's not very convenient
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• 2654[18:48:33] <vmx> hi! are there any known issues with the daily debian testing installer? i tried replaced-url
• 2655[18:48:36] <hightower4> I'd prefer if compiler/linker could be told to hard-code the full path to the libs, instead of looking up by relatively by filename
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• 2659[18:49:38] <vmx> or should i better ask: is there a known good one installer that i can put on an usb stick?
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• 2661[18:49:47] <jonkri> Why is this happening on a fully upgraded Debian 8? <replaced-url
• 2662[18:49:49] <ElDiabolo> hightower4, You could use a wrapper script for starting, that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
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• 2665[18:50:47] <RoyK> ElDiabolo: or include in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/something.conf
• 2666[18:50:48] <nfdscd> hey can someone please help me with SSH?
• 2667[18:51:00] <nfdscd> it is very slow to log into my debian box over putty
• 2668[18:51:21] <nfdscd> putty log shows iuts getting stuck at diffie hellman exchange
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• 2670[18:51:25] <hightower4> RoyK, yes, I do that, but the issue I have two files there, each with one directory. But the filenames in those two dirs are the same, so when the program starts, it finds the wrong ones
• 2671[18:51:32] <ElDiabolo> RoyK, He has two apps with a lib with identical name.
• 2672[18:51:37] <jonkri> Nevermind!
• 2673[18:51:39] <RoyK> nfdscd: possibly reverse ip lookup is enabled - if it is, it takes a while to login
• 2674[18:51:57] <RoyK> ElDiabolo: oh - bad thing to do to a machine - use a vm instead :P
• 2675[18:52:11] <nfdscd> RoyK: i disabled it and restarted sshd
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• 2678[18:53:20] <hightower4> ElDiabolo, RoyK mtn: it may be that my problem is the compile option --disable-rpath, which if I am understanding it right, then avoids placing full path to the lib into the produced binaries
• 2679[18:53:38] <hightower4> I will use --enable-rpath and supposedly this should make the bin go to the right lib on its first try
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• 2685[18:54:53] <heedly> replaced-url
• 2686[18:54:54] <heedly> Why do I get this?
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• 2688[18:55:24] <nfdscd> any ideas?
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• 2697[18:56:18] <ElDiabolo> hightower4, Wish you luck :)
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• 2703[19:01:15] <Croepha> what happens when you epoll, and not FDs are set? is the epoll indefinite?
• 2704[19:01:43] <ElDiabolo> calher, You can install them in parallel and switch before login.
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• 2706[19:02:50] <ElDiabolo> calher, I would recommend kdm with the gdm-compat module for that.
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• 2711[19:05:36] <ElDiabolo> calher, kdm-gdmcompat is the exact package name.
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• 2714[19:08:05] <ElDiabolo> calher, The display manager (kdm in this case) is the component that runs before you login.
• 2715[19:09:07] <vmx> are there older images of the debian testing netinst available?
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• 2719[19:09:49] <hightower4> ElDiabolo, RoyK mtn: yes, --enable-rpath instead of --disable-rpath solved my issue. Thanks for the discussion.
• 2720[19:09:53] <mtn> vmx: the testing installer is for testing the installer, not installing testing. to get a testing install, put on stable and dist-upgrade
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• 2724[19:11:07] <vmx> mtn: thx, good to know. looks like i was in luck the past few years
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• 2809[19:49:59] <teraflops> vmx: you can success installing testing with the testing installer the same way it can just fail miserably
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• 2823[19:59:13] <dannysantos> If I set a cronjob for a specific time and the computer is off at that time, and then is up after the time has passed, will the job still be executed even being after the time?
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• 2826[20:00:47] <unborn> dannysantos: what do you think?
• 2827[20:01:02] <unborn> if you set it up correctly it will if not it wont
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• 2834[20:01:45] <dannysantos> unborn: thank you. I'm new, didn't know that
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• 2836[20:02:43] <unborn> dannysantos: cron will stick strictly to clocks..
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• 2839[20:03:36] <greycat> dannysantos: if you're asking here what you asked in #bash, see "apt-cache show anacron"
• 2840[20:03:39] <unborn> so any time your machine is on - it will do its job. if your computer is off - its so obvious that it would not, but next time - sorted up will do
• 2841[20:04:14] <unborn> *sorted time
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• 2843[20:05:16] <unborn> ...it will not execute right a way when you turn your machine on if its missed - if that is what you asking
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• 2845[20:05:42] <dannysantos> unborn: my cron is this "0 0 * * 0-4 command". Will it execute once a day in the weekdays mentioned?
• 2846[20:05:43] <greycat> unborn: see "apt-cache show anacron"
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• 2850[20:06:17] <greycat> dannysantos: what do you *want* it to do?
• 2851[20:06:44] <unborn> dannysantos: it looks to me okay, it should.
• 2852[20:07:18] <dannysantos> to execute from sunday till thursday once a day. Do I have to use anacron?
• 2853[20:07:32] <dannysantos> do i have to use anacron then?
• 2854[20:07:43] <greycat> If your computer is likely to be powered down at midnight, yes, you would.
• 2855[20:07:53] <dannysantos> thanks
• 2856[20:07:58] <dannysantos> :)
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• 2861[20:09:42] <jhutchins> ps ax
• 2862[20:09:47] <AxForest> ?
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• 2866[20:11:10] <jazzyjazz> I have an issue with reportbug that I cant report because of gmail...
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• 2868[20:11:23] <jazzyjazz> gmail is refusing ssl reportbug connections.
• 2869[20:11:33] <jazzyjazz> "insecure device" they say
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• 2871[20:11:59] <greycat> If reportbug will not work with your setup, then write a bug report email by hand.
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• 2875[20:13:37] <alphazulu> i installed a debian to a partition on a win8 system with efi bios and installed grub-efi, and ran grub-installl but it still boots directcly into windows
• 2876[20:13:38] <drpresident> is there a tool to manually send a packet, and explicitely give it a destination, protocol, and data?
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• 2880[20:14:40] <Tenacious-Techhu> Anyone know how to recover recently deleted files?
• 2881[20:14:42] <alphazulu> drpresident: protocol would only be associated with a service like smtp, ftp, etc.
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• 2883[20:15:29] <alphazulu> drpresident: telnet can takes address and port as arguments
• 2884[20:15:33] <greycat> drpresident: are you simply looking for something like printf 'data' | nc host port ?
• 2885[20:16:31] <debiqn208> hello, since 9Pm, my server don't have internet ... and when I "ping google.fr" with root, I don't have response ... :/ ... can you help me ? Sorry for my bad english :(
• 2886[20:16:31] <drpresident> im not sure what the section after the pipe is doing, but i just want to manually construct a packet, and send it off
• 2887[20:16:38] <debiqn208> 9AM*
• 2888[20:16:45] <unborn> jazzyjazz: perhaps you would go to your gmail and allow less secured apps - its not less secured from your end point - its just they dont know how the app working..
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• 2890[20:17:03] <jazzyjazz> from which account? my french isnt that bad..gmx.fr has accounts but...
• 2891[20:17:04] <unborn> or follow greycat s advice
• 2892[20:17:24] <unborn> gmx is not gmail
• 2893[20:17:46] <jazzyjazz> unborn: if i knew how i would.
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• 2895[20:18:00] <unborn> to what?
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• 2898[20:18:33] <teraflops> debiqn208: is using netcat host and port you can also specify udp/tcp, man netcat for further info
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• 2900[20:18:54] <jazzyjazz> ? I dont think google has that option, if so its very buried..but my point exactly...use someone other than gmail
• 2901[20:19:09] <unborn> debiqn208: you can connect to srv via internet but you have no internet on a box it self? you may talk to your srv hosting
• 2902[20:19:24] <`Kevin> greycat: i dont think he knew what he wanted :)
• 2903[20:19:35] <`Kevin> or needed rather
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• 2905[20:19:48] <jazzyjazz> anyways ..its a heads up, will see how this goes..
• 2906[20:20:10] <unborn> jazzyjazz: well that changes whole question. its there in settings - you just must missed it. if you going with gmx then sure - go ahead
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• 2909[20:20:51] <jazzyjazz> ill look, i didnt have this issue before and they banned my first account with 2fa when i switched to comcast. not right.
• 2910[20:21:05] <debiqn208> Hum ... i'm very newbie in debian. I can't ping My computer >>> My server and I can't ping My server >>> google.fr. But now, I'm connected in my server with IMPI (Virtual Host), but I can't ping google.fr.
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• 2912[20:21:23] <greycat> debiqn208: what error do you get when you try?
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• 2915[20:22:10] <`Kevin> jazzyjazz: there is an option in gmail for that
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• 2917[20:22:48] <unborn> jazzyjazz: they dont like my google hangouts to being used as srv notifications either so I am not surprised :)
• 2918[20:22:53] <debiqn208> greycat, when I ping My server >>> google.fr, I have "unknow host"
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• 2920[20:23:02] <`Kevin> jazzyjazz: replaced-url
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• 2922[20:23:23] <greycat> So DNS lookups are failing.
• 2923[20:23:40] <unborn> debiqn208: just speak to your srv provider..
• 2924[20:23:50] <greycat> debiqn208: what do you have in resolv.conf and in nsswitch.conf? Can you contact any *other* sites? Can you ping 216.58.192.195 by IP address?
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• 2927[20:24:12] <unborn> greycat: he would be better off to speak to them, just in a case his srv spreading something or is in a risk.. ;)
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• 2929[20:24:37] <jazzyjazz> i said i would look...i have to get for now.
• 2930[20:24:38] <unborn> end of the day, he pays for support
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• 2935[20:25:26] <greycat> unborn: you're not wrong, but it's also a good idea to gather facts and try to see what's broken while he's waiting
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• 2940[20:25:57] <debiqn208> greycat, thanks. Yes, I can ping 216.58.192.195, I have response. In my resolv I have : name server 127.0.01 / nameserver 213.186.33.99 / search ovh.net
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• 2942[20:26:08] <debiqn208> 127.0.0.1*
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• 2944[20:26:27] <unborn> greycat: by trowing the issue here when its not issue of the system it self? its quiet clear hes machine have net, as he can connect to it.. you know what I mean
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• 2946[20:26:46] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: Restore from backup.
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• 2950[20:26:59] <Tenacious-Techhu> Not an option here.
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• 2953[20:27:13] <Tenacious-Techhu> I had no reason to think it would be deleted, so I saw no reason to back it up.
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• 2955[20:27:27] <greycat> debiqn208: 213.186.33.99 does not work for me (but it might work for you). So if I were in your place I would probably just install a caching nameserver on localhost so your 127.0.0.1 works and stop relying on 213.186.33.99
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• 2957[20:27:52] <Tenacious-Techhu> jhutchins, do you have an answer to the question as I have posed it, or not?
• 2958[20:28:10] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: There is no "undelete".
• 2959[20:28:21] <Tenacious-Techhu> What about debugfs?
• 2960[20:28:22] <greycat> unborn: nothing is clear to me. He said he's connected "with IMPI (virtual host)" and I have no idea what that is, but I assumed it was a method that did not work like ssh from the outside
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• 2962[20:28:33] <unborn> no reason to back it up.. what is wrong with you people
• 2963[20:28:43] <greycat> unborn: now we know he can ping by IP so it's probably "just" DNS that's broken
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• 2965[20:28:55] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: there's a thing called backup (and accordingly restore)
• 2966[20:29:12] <debiqn208> Hum I see greycat, byt resolv.conf is default file installed by my provider (213.186.33.99 = OVH.com DNS), strange ...
• 2967[20:29:13] <jhutchins> !undelete
• 2968[20:29:13] <dpkg> Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext3/ext4, ask me about <ext4magic>, <ext3grep>. For ext2 *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the filesystem, and select "Undelete files" from menu. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>, <fatback>.
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• 2970[20:29:50] <RoyK> !backup
• 2971[20:29:50] <dpkg> A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>.
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• 2973[20:29:57] <unborn> greycat: exactly thats what I have on mind.. im bit fed up when user does not tell anything more... just I cannot connect.. help - its just like I dont see...i have no idea what impi is too.. thats why he should talk to srv provider..
• 2974[20:30:01] <Tenacious-Techhu> A trash bin wouldn’t have helped me here.
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• 2979[20:30:18] <Tenacious-Techhu> I moved the files from one user’s desktop to another, and then deleted the previous user.
• 2980[20:30:21] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: backup would help out
• 2981[20:30:22] <Tenacious-Techhu> The files went with it.
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• 2983[20:30:32] <Tenacious-Techhu> I had no reason to believe that the files would be deleted too.
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• 2985[20:30:45] <Tenacious-Techhu> Only in theory, Royk.
• 2986[20:31:05] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: you never have a reason to beleive files would be deleted or data removed or disks dying, that's why we have backups
• 2987[20:31:10] <unborn> greycat: but if you want to support him with something that he pays out other people - go for it. I do support dns issues on linux boxes but.. you know
• 2988[20:31:10] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: and that's not theory
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• 2990[20:31:36] <Tenacious-Techhu> Yes, yes, I know all that, regardless, it would not have helped in this case. It would have been between backups anyway.
• 2991[20:31:42] <uio> Speaking of backups, any suggestions for high-quality usbs for long-term date storage? Any brands to avoid?
• 2992[20:31:49] <uio> *data
• 2993[20:31:54] <Tenacious-Techhu> So, regardless, I need to undelete those files.
• 2994[20:31:55] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: not my problem
• 2995[20:31:58] <jak2000> hi all any tutorial for generate ssh keys? i want automate a file copy with scp thanks
• 2996[20:32:11] <Tenacious-Techhu> No, it is not; YOUR problem is answering questions nobody asked.
• 2997[20:32:11] <RoyK> jak2000: ssh-keygen
• 2998[20:32:20] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: get off
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• 3000[20:32:39] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: You can investigate the tools dpkg listed above - /msg dpkg <factoid>
• 3001[20:32:40] <uio> RoyK: Doesn't this channel exist for help with questions?
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• 3003[20:33:05] <uio> RoyK: So the problem of Tenacious-Techhu might not be your's, but you are here.. soo...
• 3004[20:33:06] <jak2000> RoyK: ssh-keygen -t rsa where in server? or in client?
• 3005[20:33:11] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: We're trying to tell you that you should implement a backup system, because undelete isn't a thing in Linux.
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• 3007[20:33:21] <RoyK> uio: yes. it helps with answering things like "no, there's no undelete on ext4" and "yes, you should use a backup"
• 3008[20:33:28] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: Backups aren't for things you expect to be deleted, it's for unexpected things.
• 3009[20:33:46] <Tenacious-Techhu> I’m aware that it’s not a trivial thing in Linux. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible.
• 3010[20:33:51] <uio> jhutchins: But sometimes it looks deleted, but is still on the disk, no?
• 3011[20:34:14] <Tenacious-Techhu> By appearances, at least, debugfs seems to do that sort of thing, for instance.
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• 3013[20:34:14] <jhutchins> uio: Usually not in a recoverable form.
• 3014[20:34:26] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: it's possible, somehow, but you have to dig deeply into the filsystem and there's no tool for undelete for ext4 as far as I know
• 3015[20:34:34] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: If you already know what answer you want, why are you asking us?
• 3016[20:34:44] <uio> jhutchins: which is why one often go to lengths to wipe drives of personal data before selling them.
• 3017[20:34:56] <Tenacious-Techhu> I’d be happy with any answer that is on my existing install.
• 3018[20:35:07] <Tenacious-Techhu> I know debugfs is, but I don’t know if another option is.
• 3019[20:35:37] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: use ddrescue to move the whole disk or partition over to another disk, then start debugging or rescuing
• 3020[20:35:45] <teraflops> Tenacious-Techhu: ext3/4 filesystem?
• 3021[20:35:48] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: never use a live filesystem for recovery
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• 3023[20:36:18] <Tenacious-Techhu> uio, at least with traditional file systems, the difference between a viable file and a deleted file is a single bit which marks that file as deleted, and that its space is free to be used.
• 3024[20:36:35] <jhutchins> ... especially if you don't have backup.
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• 3026[20:36:40] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: you're talking about FAT
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• 3029[20:36:51] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: good filesystems don't work that way
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• 3031[20:37:00] <teraflops> Tenacious-Techhu: ext3/4 filesystem? give a try to extundelete
• 3032[20:37:01] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: By "traditional" you mean MS-DOS.
• 3033[20:37:08] <Tenacious-Techhu> No, I’m talking FAT, HFS+, and whatever DOS used.
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• 3035[20:37:20] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: HFS+ doesn't work that way either
• 3036[20:37:22] <Tenacious-Techhu> I’m inclined to think that Unix opereated the same way too, at least for a while.
• 3037[20:37:26] <Tenacious-Techhu> Yeah, it does.
• 3038[20:37:41] <greycat> DOS used FAT. Win95 I think was the first to use VFAT.
• 3039[20:37:53] <greycat> I might be slightly mistaken about the transitions.
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• 3041[20:37:58] <jak2000> RoyK: ssh-keygen -t rsa where in server? or in client?
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• 3044[20:38:05] <greycat> jak2000: on the client
• 3045[20:38:06] <RoyK> jak2000: on the client
• 3046[20:38:15] <RoyK> jak2000: and you won't need -t rsa - it's the deafault
• 3047[20:38:20] <Tenacious-Techhu> If you don’t want to recover your deleted files, you write zeroes to the disk.
• 3048[20:38:28] <greycat> For a really long time it wasn't the default, so it doesn't hurt to specify it.
• 3049[20:38:36] <JohnA> How can I remove evolution from LXDE/gnome, I don't need it as I use Thunderbird?
• 3050[20:38:36] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: no - it's not the same - hfs+ recovery is just as hard as ext4 recovery
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• 3052[20:39:09] <unborn> JohnA: just uninstall it
• 3053[20:39:11] <Tenacious-Techhu> Mac OS had plenty of tools for disk recovery, and they were always about reversing that deletion bit.
• 3054[20:39:13] <jak2000> ok
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• 3057[20:39:31] <jak2000> i want test: jak@swManzana:/backup$ ssh 192.168.8.250
• 3058[20:39:35] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: back in the ninetees, perhaps
• 3059[20:39:41] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: it doesn't work like that anymore
• 3060[20:39:42] <jak2000> but not give me the prompt or ask a password
• 3061[20:39:45] <jak2000> why
• 3062[20:40:02] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: and it doesn't work like that with ext4 - get used to it - get a good backup
• 3063[20:40:06] <Tenacious-Techhu> I sincerely doubt they changed that when they moved from HFS to HFS+. :P
• 3064[20:40:18] <Tenacious-Techhu> Again, a backup doesn’t solve this particular problem, now does it?
• 3065[20:40:28] <teraflops> Tenacious-Techhu: ext3/4 filesystem? give a try to extundelete
• 3066[20:40:41] <Tenacious-Techhu> Is that already installed?
• 3067[20:40:51] <teraflops> ,v extundelete
• 3068[20:40:52] <RoyK> jak2000: possibly wrong permissions for the key - try "chmod go-rwx -R $HOME/.ssh"
• 3069[20:40:52] <judd> Package: extundelete on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2.0-2.1; jessie: 0.2.4-1; sid: 0.2.4-1+b1; stretch: 0.2.4-1+b1
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• 3074[20:41:24] <Tenacious-Techhu> And that implies it should be installed on Jessie?
• 3075[20:41:25] <unborn> jak2000: .ssh folder should have permission 700 and authorized_keys should have 600
• 3076[20:41:28] <`Kevin> teraflops: i thought he read your comment the first time :P apparently too busy ranting
• 3077[20:41:31] <unborn> if I remember correctly
• 3078[20:41:49] <teraflops> Tenacious-Techhu: no it's not installed by default
• 3079[20:42:03] <Tenacious-Techhu> I need something that’s already installed.
• 3080[20:42:20] <jak2000> tested... and ask and ask my password
• 3081[20:42:24] <jak2000> need restart any service?
• 3082[20:42:31] <JohnA> :-( unfortunately every time I try that I uninstalls just about everything including the kitchen sink!!
• 3083[20:42:39] <unborn> jak2000: yes.. always restart ssh srv after changes
• 3084[20:42:52] <unborn> also disable user and password if you using ssh keys
• 3085[20:43:00] <teraflops> `Kevin: heh yeah
• 3086[20:43:21] <`Kevin> Tenacious-Techhu: you need to take the hdd offline, dd it to a file and run extundelete against the file
• 3087[20:43:23] <unborn> Tenacious-Techhu: you after backups?
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• 3091[20:44:23] <unborn> ah I see backup is not a option here.. well lesson learned :)
• 3092[20:44:33] <Tenacious-Techhu> Once again, the question is, what is available on the existing install to undelete the file on the same disk?
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• 3094[20:44:47] <`Kevin> Tenacious-Techhu: its been covered, it isnt happening
• 3095[20:45:18] <Tenacious-Techhu> So you are saying that it never occurred to the Debian devs that a user might need to undelete one of their files.
• 3096[20:45:20] <unborn> Tenacious-Techhu: nothing - only trash bin.. if deleted from there and have no backup - you out. simple
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• 3098[20:45:50] <teraflops> Tenacious-Techhu: common sense is not installed by default in debian, next time do backups
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• 3100[20:46:08] <Tenacious-Techhu> This isn’t a matter of “common sense”. :P
• 3101[20:46:13] <`Kevin> Tenacious-Techhu: that is standard development practices with revision control via git or similar... + backups
• 3102[20:46:19] <unborn> you can try to restore files with some linux util but - backups would be better..
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• 3104[20:46:39] <Tenacious-Techhu> I have no doubt that backups would be “better”.
• 3105[20:46:51] <Tenacious-Techhu> That doesn’t mean they solve the problem. :P
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• 3107[20:47:08] <Tenacious-Techhu> Preventing future problems is not the same as solving current problems.
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• 3109[20:47:13] <unborn> Tenacious-Techhu: no one give a smile* like ':P' if that is not common sense for you or not.. common sense is backup..
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• 3111[20:47:22] <greycat> You're all arguing with someone who's using UTF-8 curly quotes in place of apostrophes and quotation marks.
• 3112[20:47:23] <unborn> that will preventing your problems
• 3113[20:47:34] <greycat> He is clearly NOT going to get it.
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• 3115[20:47:40] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: We can't know what you've chosen to install. We can only suggest tools that might help; it's up to you to figure out if they're installed or how to install them.
• 3116[20:47:43] <unborn> so fuck it
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• 3118[20:47:59] <dgandhi> esoteric question: why is the tomcat package + config/lib directories numbered when other services keep the same paths between versions?
• 3119[20:48:09] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: Your doubts and opinions have no effect on technological reality.
• 3120[20:48:10] <Tenacious-Techhu> Those AREN’T apostrophes and quotation marks; they denote minutes and seconds of arc, and feet and inches. Learn your programming history!
• 3121[20:48:25] <`Kevin> greycat: haha good spot
• 3122[20:48:26] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3123[20:48:47] <jhutchins> dgandhi: Because some environments use different versions on the same server.
• 3124[20:48:53] <greycat> `Kevin: It takes me zero effort to "spot" them because on my Latin-1 HP-UX client they show up as Z
• 3125[20:49:09] <`Kevin> ahh
• 3126[20:49:12] <teraflops> heh
• 3127[20:49:17] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: next time, make sure you have a good backup and you won't have to try to solve thins like a bad drive
• 3128[20:49:33] <unborn> exactly ^^^
• 3129[20:49:34] <Tenacious-Techhu> Solving FUTURE problems does NOTHING to solve CURRENT problems.
• 3130[20:49:34] <`Kevin> greycat: that comes in handy heh
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• 3132[20:49:50] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: just a hint to help you avoid this in the future
• 3133[20:50:03] <Tenacious-Techhu> Your insistence on solving the wrong problem does nothing to give me enough information to leave here.
• 3134[20:50:23] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: please? I'm just trying to help
• 3135[20:50:24] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Dear Tenacious-Techhu, what do you need?
• 3136[20:50:25] <dgandhi> jhuchins: more than with other services? in general if I need redundant service, I would have to manually set that up, but tomcat is set segregated by default, is this an upstream decuision?
• 3137[20:50:35] <RoyK> uio: a wee miracle
• 3138[20:50:39] <Tenacious-Techhu> No, you’re just trying to pretend I’m a dead horse so you can beat me. :P
• 3139[20:50:56] <Tenacious-Techhu> If you wanted to help, you would answer my question instead of diverting to one I never asked.
• 3140[20:51:03] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: You deleted data and need to recover it?
• 3141[20:51:04] <teraflops> Tenacious-Techhu: so whats your point? theres nothing installed by default for dealing with your mess^I mean issue.
• 3142[20:51:07] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: I guess we've all been there - data lost because of lack of backup - it's not a new thing
• 3143[20:51:10] <Tenacious-Techhu> I need a solution to recover files available on the default debian install.
• 3144[20:51:23] <Tenacious-Techhu> uio, yes, that’s right.
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• 3146[20:51:37] <Tenacious-Techhu> debugfs is installed by default, for instance.
• 3147[20:51:38] <jhutchins> dgandhi: I think it's not uncommon for developers to link a tomcat service to a specific version. Not a good practice, but they do it anyway. Stuff that runs on tomcat tends to be somewhat raw.
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• 3149[20:51:45] <Tenacious-Techhu> Not that I can find anything useful on how to use it.
• 3150[20:51:55] <teraflops> Tenacious-Techhu: you can stay here ranting and talking but that will not change anything
• 3151[20:52:08] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: I tried looking at this before, but am a noob! maybe : replaced-url
• 3152[20:52:13] <`Kevin> he has reached troll status
• 3153[20:52:18] <Tenacious-Techhu> I’m not ranting; RoyK is ranting about backups, when that does nothing to solve the problem.
• 3154[20:52:18] <teraflops> yeah
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• 3156[20:52:29] <Tenacious-Techhu> I’m trying to keep the conversation on topic.
• 3157[20:52:33] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Apparently sometimes 'deleted' files are still there.
• 3158[20:52:35] <calher> Tenacious-Techhu: I hope the suffering from your current challenge fades away soon.
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• 3160[20:52:42] <unborn> look guys is so simple, he did not had a backup and he is winging about his own issue and he knows the answer.. its very important to notice that smile ':P' means he perhaps not missing important file at all..just winding people up with crap
• 3161[20:52:43] <somepoortech> Tenacious-Techhu: dont write anything to your disk, put PhotoRec on a live cd and hope... not much else to do
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• 3163[20:52:53] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: sometimes the ubuntu channel is more helpful.
• 3164[20:52:55] <`Kevin> uio: teraflop and I pushed him in that direction earlier
• 3165[20:53:00] <`Kevin> uio: extundelete*
• 3166[20:53:02] <Tenacious-Techhu> Uh...
• 3167[20:53:11] <unborn> Tenacious-Techhu: if you deleted file properly from your system - its deleted, if you have no backup then its gone.
• 3168[20:53:18] <Tenacious-Techhu> That smile denotes sarcasm, NOT a problem that doesn’t need to be solved.
• 3169[20:53:26] <uio> unborn: that is not true!
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• 3172[20:53:29] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: as said before, and as people has said above, don't write data to that disk
• 3173[20:53:30] <teraflops> somepoortech: assuming he has physical access to the machine
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• 3175[20:53:36] <unborn> its not going to be solved- file is deleted.
• 3176[20:53:36] <uio> unborn: What is 'properly' ??
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• 3178[20:53:48] <dondelelcaro> uio: using wipe, for example.
• 3179[20:53:52] <somepoortech> I've recovered files from ext3/4 before
• 3180[20:53:53] <teraflops> uio: xD
• 3181[20:53:56] <teraflops> o`s
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• 3183[20:53:59] <uio> teraflops:
• 3184[20:53:59] <Tenacious-Techhu> Just because I’m emoting at you so as to convey my feelings, that doesn’t mean I don’t have an issue that needs to be corrected.
• 3185[20:54:01] <teraflops> unborn: xDD
• 3186[20:54:08] <teraflops> uio: sorry tab fail
• 3187[20:54:18] <unborn> somepoortech: yeah we all did but the guy does not want to install anything..
• 3188[20:54:20] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Did you wipe the data, or just 'delete' it.
• 3189[20:54:24] <unborn> he is just winding up people
• 3190[20:54:30] <`Kevin> unborn: technically he shouldn't
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• 3192[20:54:41] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: ??
• 3193[20:54:49] <somepoortech> he shouldn't do anything to the disk he screwed up... but w/e
• 3194[20:54:58] <uio> somepoortech: true.
• 3195[20:55:13] <dondelelcaro> Tenacious-Techhu: the howto which has been pointed to previously (replaced-url
• 3196[20:55:13] <Tenacious-Techhu> I moved the files to a new user, and then deleted the old user, and the files went with it.
• 3197[20:55:32] <dondelelcaro> Tenacious-Techhu: if you have questions about that how to, we might be able to help you
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• 3199[20:55:41] <Tenacious-Techhu> unborn, if I’m winding up people, it’s only people who aren’t answering my question.
• 3200[20:55:42] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: first of all, poweroff, take out the disk and ddrescue it to somewhere else
• 3201[20:55:44] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: I suspect that the files were just marked for writing over and are still present on the disk. Look at replaced-url
• 3202[20:55:49] <somepoortech> get a live cd with debian / ubuntu / whatever and install photorec into the live environment
• 3203[20:55:54] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Google such tools
• 3204[20:56:01] <unborn> Tenacious-Techhu: its been answered many times
• 3205[20:56:03] <Tenacious-Techhu> At which point, they aren’t here for this channel’s stated purpose, so they had it coming.
• 3206[20:56:04] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: or listen to somepoortech
• 3207[20:56:05] <somepoortech> then pray you haven't overwritten the files
• 3208[20:56:08] <Tenacious-Techhu> No, it hasn’t.
• 3209[20:56:16] <teraflops> Tenacious-Techhu: the next time start by: hi I deleted some files, I do not have backups and I do not want to install anything or extract the disk for doing photorec. what can I do?
• 3210[20:56:17] <jak2000> unborn, RoyK, greycat: replaced-url
• 3211[20:56:19] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: Listen to anybody.
• 3212[20:56:20] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: what has not been answered?
• 3213[20:56:28] <unborn> Tenacious-Techhu: we cannot help with deleted files - that is not an issue with system isnt it?
• 3214[20:56:32] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: precisely, just what?
• 3215[20:56:33] <Tenacious-Techhu> Show me ONE instance where someone answers my question about what tools are installed by default to undelete a file.
• 3216[20:56:39] <uio> ten
• 3217[20:56:42] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: replaced-url
• 3218[20:56:46] <jhutchins> We haven't undeleted his files for him in spite of his arguments.
• 3219[20:56:47] * RoyK thinks that if most sysadmins were like Tenacious-Techhu, we'd be in a place of shit
• 3220[20:56:49] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: done
• 3221[20:56:52] <dondelelcaro> Tenacious-Techhu: debug2fs or extundelete, for example.
• 3222[20:56:58] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: We don't know what packages you've installed.
• 3223[20:56:59] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: done again.
• 3224[20:57:01] <unborn> ...some people just dont get it
• 3225[20:57:06] <Tenacious-Techhu> extundelete isn’t installed by default.
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• 3227[20:57:15] <uio> TechChristoph_: But it is a solution.
• 3228[20:57:17] <somepoortech> RoyK: I've seen them
• 3229[20:57:19] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: did you unplug the disk?
• 3230[20:57:24] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: but is is a solution.
• 3231[20:57:27] <Tenacious-Techhu> I asked for one that was installed by default!
• 3232[20:57:29] <greycat> jak2000: (1) why am I seeing a # prompt but /home/jak/ (2) why am I not seeing any passphrase stuff in the output of ssh-keygen but AM seeing passphrase stuff when you try to use the key
• 3233[20:57:32] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: which is what you asked for.
• 3234[20:57:32] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: For about the twentieth time, by default deleted files are unrecoverable.
• 3235[20:57:35] <Tenacious-Techhu> It’s not an answer to my question!
• 3236[20:57:35] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: did you unplug the disk?
• 3237[20:57:37] <unborn> jak2000: can you paste your sshd config somewhere?
• 3238[20:57:37] <`Kevin> Tenacious-Techhu: you have had at least 5 people tell you exactly what todo, what more do you think is possible? do you require hand holding
• 3239[20:57:38] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Voilà!
• 3240[20:57:41] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: done!
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• 3244[20:57:49] <`Kevin> Tenacious-Techhu: you screwd up so you have LIMITED options
• 3245[20:57:51] <rattking> any chance the file is still being held open? replaced-url
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• 3247[20:58:07] <somepoortech> if you need hand holding I'm available for contract work
• 3248[20:58:09] <dondelelcaro> Tenacious-Techhu: debugfs is, and you can easily boot from a live cd and install extundelete if you don't have it installed.
• 3249[20:58:15] <greycat> jak2000: (3) we have no way to know whether you ssh-copy-id 'ed to the right system
• 3250[20:58:18] <uio> somepoortech: lol
• 3251[20:58:26] <Tenacious-Techhu> Again, I need to recover the file from the existing os.
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• 3253[20:58:34] <teraflops> bah
• 3254[20:58:36] <Tenacious-Techhu> I can’t just reboot from a new one.
• 3255[20:58:39] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: But you have your asnwer.
• 3256[20:58:43] <dondelelcaro> Tenacious-Techhu: you cannot easily do that.
• 3257[20:58:44] <Tenacious-Techhu> No, I don’t.
• 3258[20:58:47] <`Kevin> Tenacious-Techhu: again you do not have any tools installed todo it, you need to take the system offline
• 3259[20:58:54] <Tenacious-Techhu> If the answer was easy, I wouldn’t be here!
• 3260[20:58:58] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Have you actually tried any of the given suggestions?
• 3261[20:59:05] <jak2000> unborn: replaced-url
• 3262[20:59:11] <Tenacious-Techhu> I would have just googled until I found the damn answer myself!
• 3263[20:59:13] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Until you have, you are just wasting people's time.
• 3264[20:59:20] <teraflops> Tenacious-Techhu: #magic is by there →
• 3265[20:59:25] <Tenacious-Techhu> Instead, I didn’t find the answer, so I’m here.
• 3266[20:59:33] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Have you tried the solutions given here?
• 3267[20:59:40] <unborn> jak2000: heh not that :D
• 3268[20:59:51] <Tenacious-Techhu> I need a tool in the DEFAULT install available on the CURRENTLY RUNNING OS to recover the deleted files.
• 3269[20:59:55] <dondelelcaro> Tenacious-Techhu: again, the answer is using debugfs if you must. However, the longer you leave the system on with that filesystem mounted rw, the less likely it is that you will recover your files
• 3270[20:59:57] <teraflops> oh buy
• 3271[21:00:01] <teraflops> boy*
• 3272[21:00:06] <`Kevin> Tenacious-Techhu: this is like asking how to play an mp3 file without an mp3 player installed, do you think it just something that is somehow available by default?
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• 3274[21:00:10] <unborn> jak2000: nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config
• 3275[21:00:15] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: Again, there is no undelete tool by default.
• 3276[21:00:17] <somepoortech> quick! check the recycle bin!
• 3277[21:00:32] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Okay. I see.
• 3278[21:00:33] <Tenacious-Techhu> Why wouldn’t it be? Recovering deleted files is something EVERYONE needs to do at least once.
• 3279[21:00:45] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Do you have another machine?
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• 3281[21:00:49] <unborn> because we all use brain
• 3282[21:00:50] <jak2000> i want copy a file from server: 172.16.11.200 to 172.16.11.250 i run the commands on 172.16.11.200
• 3283[21:00:54] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: no. you need to unplug the disk or at least reboot into a live install and do things from there
• 3284[21:00:55] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: Because the default recovery method, as you've been told repeatedly, is to restore from backup.
• 3285[21:00:55] <somepoortech> recovering deleted files isn't built in by default to any OS I know of
• 3286[21:00:58] <Tenacious-Techhu> It would be a gross omission by the debian devs if they failed to include a tool to do that.
• 3287[21:01:04] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: I agree.
• 3288[21:01:05] <teraflops> xD
• 3289[21:01:07] <unborn> Tenacious-Techhu: because there its how it is :)
• 3290[21:01:10] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Do you have another machine.
• 3291[21:01:10] <RoyK> jhutchins: scp? rsync?
• 3292[21:01:15] <petn-randall> Tenacious-Techhu: Pull the plug, boot a live system. That's how everyone else does it.
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• 3294[21:01:23] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: No, it's a gross omission by the operator not to use the backup tools included by default.
• 3295[21:01:26] <Tenacious-Techhu> Using another machine isn’t an option here. I need to do it from the same machine.
• 3296[21:01:30] <teraflops> troll level reached indeed
• 3297[21:01:31] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: What petn-randall said!
• 3298[21:01:39] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Why?
• 3299[21:01:40] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: then use a live install
• 3300[21:01:40] <jak2000> unborn: replaced-url
• 3301[21:01:45] <petn-randall> Tenacious-Techhu: also what jhutchins said.
• 3302[21:01:47] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: take an advice, please
• 3303[21:01:47] <Tenacious-Techhu> I’m not asking how everyone else does it. I’m asking how it is done int he conditions that I’ve specified.
• 3304[21:01:55] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: impossible
• 3305[21:02:01] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: We've told you. Repeatedly.
• 3306[21:02:05] <petn-randall> Tenacious-Techhu: It's not, that's the answer.
• 3307[21:02:07] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: so either you change the conditions, or you lose the data.
• 3308[21:02:12] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: or just dd /dev/zero over the disk - that'll solve all of your issues
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• 3310[21:02:19] <Tenacious-Techhu> The data is only lost if it gets overwritten.
• 3311[21:02:21] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: simple.
• 3312[21:02:31] <jhutchins> If you drop your cell phone in the ocean there's no "recover" button you can press.
• 3313[21:02:35] <somepoortech> Tenacious-Techhu: fyi every second you keep running your pc you are making recovery less likely.
• 3314[21:02:36] <unborn> jak2000: yeah change this there ChallengeResponseAuthentication noPasswordAuthentication no UsePAM no
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• 3316[21:02:39] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: but you'll never access it unless you change the conditions
• 3317[21:02:47] <`Kevin> Tenacious-Techhu: in YOUR conditions, I would take the machine offline and DD copy it to a file and then use extundelete
• 3318[21:02:50] <Tenacious-Techhu> Yes, I’m aware of that. Not a problem here.
• 3319[21:02:50] <`Kevin> Tenacious-Techhu: I would also fire myself
• 3320[21:03:06] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Do you have another machine?
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• 3323[21:03:13] <Tenacious-Techhu> Not an option, uio.
• 3324[21:03:20] <Tenacious-Techhu> I need a solution for the conditions I specified.
• 3325[21:03:21] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Why?
• 3326[21:03:29] <uio> TechChristoph_: there is not one!
• 3327[21:03:32] <dondelelcaro> Tenacious-Techhu: welp, it looks like it's not somethign we can help you. Good luck.
• 3328[21:03:33] <greycat> unborn: I don't understand why you're telling him to disable password auth when the problem is clearly with the KEY auth
• 3329[21:03:34] <TomTomTosch> it's stupid to let the machine running if you want to save something. you shut it down and boot from a live system. you won't get a different answer, Tenacious-Techhu.
• 3330[21:03:35] <Tenacious-Techhu> That would be a tedious long-winded story.
• 3331[21:03:47] <babilen> Pray, tell
• 3332[21:03:51] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: And this isn't?
• 3333[21:03:51] <somepoortech> Tenacious-Techhu: if thats your condition you are screwed, sorry
• 3334[21:03:59] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: you need to listen - or perhaps read - what we say - it's not a good idea to work on undelete on a live filesystem
• 3335[21:04:13] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Turn this one off, go to your neighbour and borrow their machine to make a live usb!
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• 3337[21:04:14] <RoyK> Tenacious-Techhu: but then, you can do what you please and lose whatever you want
• 3338[21:04:20] <Tenacious-Techhu> No, it isn’t; it’s a simple question; how do you recover a file from the OS’s default install.
• 3339[21:04:21] <`Kevin> the longer you leave it running the worse you are...
• 3340[21:04:21] <TomTomTosch> the longer the system runs, the better the chances those tangling inodes get overwritten.
• 3341[21:04:24] <unborn> greycat: thats what he asked for isnt it?
• 3342[21:04:30] <uio> Tenacious-Techhu: Simple answer, impossible!
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• 3346[21:04:39] <somepoortech> Tenacious-Techhu: do less -f /dev/sda
• 3347[21:04:41] <greycat> jak2000: a *default* Debian sshd_config allows key auth. The first thing to check should not be sshd_config (unless yours was already modified) but rather the KEY on the client and the authorized_keys FILE on the server and the permissions and ownership of all DIRECTORIES and FILES involved
• 3348[21:04:45] <jhutchins> Tenacious-Techhu: Do you need me to tell you again?
• 3349[21:04:47] <somepoortech> Tenacious-Techhu: copy everything you see into a notebook
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• 3351[21:05:09] <RoyK> dondelelcaro: danke
• 3352[21:05:09] <`Kevin> dondelelcaro: ty
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• 3354[21:05:24] <greycat> jak2000: from your pastebin that says 7 # ssh-copy-id [email protected] we can't even tell whether you copied the key to the correct computer
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• 3356[21:05:58] <RoyK> *quiet*
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• 3375[21:17:38] <jak2000> greycat: ssh-copy-id jak@172.16.11.250
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• 3381[21:20:00] <greycat> jak2000: verify the permissions of the private key file (AND DIRECTORIES LEADING UP TO IT) on the client, and the authorized_keys file (AND DIRECTORIES LEADING UP TO IT) on the server. Check the server side for logged errors. Consider running an sshd in debug mode on the server for additional logging.
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• 3388[21:21:44] <jak2000> greycat ok, thanks
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• 3392[21:24:18] <jak2000> reading: replaced-url
• 3393[21:24:43] <greycat> there is also replaced-url
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• 3397[21:28:31] <jhutchins> I remember back when we used to have to hand carve our own keys from /dev/random without all these newfangled helper tools.
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• 3399[21:30:00] <Puben> Ohai - evening
• 3400[21:30:21] <Puben> Is support allowed in this chan, or should I go to #debian-offtopic ?
• 3401[21:31:06] <greycat> Did you omit a word...?
• 3402[21:31:37] <unborn> jak2000: there you go...
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• 3404[21:32:38] <petn-randall> jhutchins: I remember the days where we had to do coin flips to populate /dev/random on a newly booted system.
• 3405[21:32:43] <jak2000> i am confused where yped the ssh-keygen -t rsa (i want copy a file named file.txt on 172.16.11.200 to server 172.16.11.250) then where need type the ssh-keygen -t rsa command?
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• 3407[21:33:06] <unborn> onto your machine - desktop
• 3408[21:33:09] <unborn> not on server
• 3409[21:33:23] <unborn> ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "your_email@example.com"
• 3410[21:33:24] <jak2000> ok in this case in:
• 3411[21:33:25] <jak2000> 172.16.11.200
• 3412[21:33:39] <unborn> jak2000: no into your terminal
• 3413[21:33:47] <unborn> not connected anywhere
• 3414[21:34:08] <unborn> that will generate text files
• 3415[21:34:13] <jak2000> Enter file in which to save the key (/home/jak/.ssh/id_rsa):
• 3416[21:34:18] <jak2000> Enter right
• 3417[21:34:23] <unborn> yeah
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• 3421[21:34:35] <jak2000> Enter passphrase (empty for no passphrase):
• 3422[21:34:37] <jak2000> Enter ?
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• 3424[21:34:41] <jak2000> empty password?
• 3425[21:34:45] <greycat> I am acting under the (possibly false) impression that jak2000 has a desktop machine and TWO servers, and that he is performing the key generation on one of the two servers over an ssh connection originating on his desktop box.
• 3426[21:34:47] <unborn> if you dont want to use password just hit enter
• 3427[21:34:57] <unborn> if you want use password enter your password
• 3428[21:35:13] <jak2000> empty password
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• 3430[21:35:39] <unborn> greycat: uhm.. true - perhaps he is on windows machine as well
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• 3432[21:35:58] <jak2000> now on 172.16.11.200 typed: ssh-copy-id jak@172.16.11.250
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• 3434[21:36:36] <jak2000> i am on windows machine but connected to 2 serves with putty
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• 3437[21:37:09] <jak2000> now on 172.16.11.200: scp /backup/tari.sql jak@172.16.11.250:/home/jak/sql/
• 3438[21:37:37] <jak2000> :)
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• 3440[21:37:39] <jak2000> done
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• 3443[21:39:21] <jak2000> mmmm
• 3444[21:39:30] <jak2000> manually work but in a crontab job not :(
• 3445[21:39:34] <unborn> jak2000: thats great.. make notes for your self so next time you can just read it ;)
• 3446[21:40:06] <jak2000> why: replaced-url
• 3447[21:40:09] <jak2000> unborn?
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• 3456[21:43:14] <unborn> jak2000: rsync -a user@domain.co.uk:/home/user/file.zip/ /home/user/file.zip
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• 3459[21:43:56] <jhutchins> filename at end unnecessary.
• 3460[21:44:07] <unborn> true
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• 3462[21:44:18] <unborn> but it will help to understand ;)
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• 3466[21:45:03] <jak2000> arghh tomorrow continue...
• 3467[21:47:00] <jhutchins> jak2000: After you generate the keypair, you need to copy the public key from ~/.ssh/ to the target server in the same directory. ssh-copy-id will do this for you.
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• 3469[21:47:13] <jak2000> jhutchins yes i do
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• 3471[21:47:38] <jak2000> ssh-copy-id jak@172.16.11.250
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• 3473[21:48:11] <jhutchins> jak2000: Can you now ssh jak@172.16.11.250 without a password?
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• 3476[21:49:37] <jhutchins> jak2000: I see you were leaving, good luck tomorrow.
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• 3481[21:55:22] <jhutchins> I'm not sure how to word a search for this: What software watches a [folder | tree] and triggers some process (rsync) if a file changes?
• 3482[21:57:03] <greycat> inotify and friends
• 3483[21:57:06] <rattking> take a look at inotify-tools for some tools you can use in scripts
• 3484[21:57:30] <greycat> but also /msg greybot upload
• 3485[21:57:45] <somepoortech> fyi if you are inotify'ing a huge folder / tree of folders it explodes violently
• 3486[21:58:15] <`Kevin> ^ you just need to be aware of that and prepare accordingly raising limits
• 3487[21:58:18] <somepoortech> also have to inotify each sub folder individually
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• 3490[21:59:01] <unborn> jhutchins: it uses time and size i guess
• 3491[21:59:06] <unborn> stamps
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• 3494[21:59:50] <jhutchins> Thanks guys. My google fu was stumbling towards those.
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• 3508[22:05:44] <sqwishy> If the debian installer fails to download a package, when I retry the step it throws my preseed values out the window and uses the installer defaults without prompting. Is this normal?
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• 3518[22:11:02] <unborn> that was funny day today here
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• 3534[22:19:22] <jhutchins> sqwishy: Seems to me that kickstart has a missing-ok switch or something, not sure about preceed.
• 3535[22:19:28] <jhutchins> preseed.
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• 3546[22:23:37] <GeorgeSaurus> Hi all, I am trying to get rid of duplicate kernel modules for my SDR. I try to run the command "rmmod dvb_usb_rtl28xxu rtl2832" but it returns an error that both modules are in use. dmesg returns that the hardware is fine and connected.
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• 3555[22:26:02] <jhutchins> GeorgeSaurus: Why do you have duplicate modules loaded? Or are you thinking those two are the same module?
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• 3571[22:35:02] <teraflops> GeorgeSaurus: mind sharing the output of `lsmod` ?
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• 3573[22:37:48] <GeorgeSaurus> jhutchins: I am thinking those two are the same module because I only get that error when the hardware is plugged in...?
• 3574[22:38:11] <GeorgeSaurus> np teraflops do you want the whole thing?
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• 3576[22:38:33] <teraflops> yeah paste it to replaced-url
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• 3580[22:40:36] <GeorgeSaurus> teraflops: im guessing the top two lines were the most relevant: "rtl2832 28672 1" and "dvb_usb_rtl28xxu 36864 1"
• 3581[22:41:06] <GeorgeSaurus> I think I have to blacklist the dvb module? according to docs and ##rtlsdr? does that seem plausible?\\\\\\
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• 3584[22:43:02] <teraflops> GeorgeSaurus: sorry but you didn't paste anything and you're talking *that* error which you didn't describe
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• 3630[22:56:38] <qih> Hi all, I am using a Debian variant based on Jessie, where would I find the package list of a defaul Debian Jessie online?
• 3631[22:56:54] <qih> s/defaul/default*
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• 3633[22:57:37] <greycat> All of the packages with priority "required" and "standard" right?
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• 3635[22:57:52] <greycat> Depends on what you mean by "default" of course.
• 3636[22:57:57] <qih> greycat: If talking to me, yes please.
• 3637[22:58:38] <qih> Default as in "whatever the Debian Team throw onto a Jessie .iso that I can source from a mirror
• 3638[22:59:01] <qih> AMD64 too
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• 3642[22:59:40] <greycat> err, "what is on any of the umpteen gazillion DIFFERENT installer .iso images" is a different question entirely.
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• 3644[22:59:57] <jhutchins> qih: replaced-url
• 3645[23:00:07] <qih> jhutchins: Thanks, looking.
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• 3649[23:00:27] <jhutchins> qih: I think the last count was ~30,000 packages. What are you actually trying to do?
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• 3653[23:01:24] <qih> Do a diff with the package list from my current variant so I can ID the extra packages added in.
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• 3656[23:02:08] * greycat wonders what the easiest way is to GET a list of all the "required" packages without writing a program specifically to parse the damned apt lists myself
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• 3658[23:02:19] <qih> jhutchins: replaced-url
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• 3660[23:02:25] <greycat> maybe there is some weird aptitude command with tildes and shit
• 3661[23:02:37] <greycat> *blink*
• 3662[23:02:40] <qih> greycat: Maybe
• 3663[23:02:40] <teraflops> heh
• 3664[23:02:54] <greycat> he... wanted... so he DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A FUCKING DEBIAN BOX. Jesus
• 3665[23:03:02] <qih> Kali Linux
• 3666[23:03:09] <greycat> YES BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE DEBIAN!!
• 3667[23:03:22] <qih> greycat: Thanks for the tip.
• 3668[23:03:25] <greycat> It makes NO SENSE to ask this question without a DEBIAN system to pull the info froM!
• 3669[23:03:42] <greycat> Fucking incomprehensible leeches.
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• 3672[23:03:48] <jordanm> greycat: something like this: aptitude install '~pstandard ~prequired'
• 3673[23:04:05] <greycat> I knew there would be tildes.
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• 3675[23:04:26] <TomTomTosch> or how about questionmarks instead? aptitude search '?or(?priority(required), ?priority(standard))' :P
• 3676[23:04:36] <jhutchins> greycat: The actual question could be "what does debian have that I don't have".
• 3677[23:04:53] <greycat> I think it was the other way around.
• 3678[23:05:08] <jhutchins> greycat: Also possible.
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• 3683[23:05:56] <hypfer> hi
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• 3686[23:06:24] <hypfer> I have a question: can I execute a script when a specific package gets updated?
• 3687[23:06:49] <hypfer> so if theres an update installed for package foo I'd like to run a shell script
• 3688[23:06:55] <hypfer> I have no access to foo
• 3689[23:07:13] <brennen> hypfer: while i have no idea if there's a more general facility for it, you might look at doing this with etckeeper and git post-commit hooks.
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• 3692[23:07:47] <brennen> replaced-url
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• 3695[23:08:13] <brennen> ...i guess that may only work if you're getting /etc changes out of it.
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• 3710[23:14:33] <hypfer> meh
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• 3712[23:15:36] <wsky> i need a rsync advice
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• 3714[23:15:38] <wsky> will --remove-source-files remove files on the fly or only when the sync is done?
• 3715[23:15:48] <johnkeates> when done and successful
• 3716[23:15:52] <johnkeates> on a per-file basis
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• 3718[23:16:08] <wsky> but per successfull full sync?
• 3719[23:16:25] <johnkeates> once a file is done it gets removed and then rsync goes to the next file
• 3720[23:16:33] <wsky> i need to remove the files one after another *during* the sync
• 3721[23:16:34] <johnkeates> it's deleted as soon as it's on the other side and verified
• 3722[23:16:44] <johnkeates> it is during the sync
• 3723[23:16:47] <wsky> ok thanks
• 3724[23:16:50] <brennen> til --remove-source-files is a thing.
• 3725[23:16:52] <johnkeates> it's almost like a remove 'mv'
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• 3727[23:17:01] <johnkeates> remotE*
• 3728[23:17:03] <wsky> so this is what i need then
• 3729[23:17:16] <johnkeates> yes
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• 3768[23:33:12] <sn00p> Hello, I just setup a open vpn server on. I am wondering how do I set it up so I can connect to it using windows 10
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• 3772[23:33:41] <johnkeates> you read the manual
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• 3774[23:35:55] <brennen> sn00p: replaced-url
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• 3777[23:36:41] <teraflops> brennen: --remove-source-files use it with caution the same as pipping find to rm ^
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• 3779[23:36:51] <sn00p> brennen, thats the one I followed
• 3780[23:37:12] <teraflops> sn00p: which one?
• 3781[23:37:16] <brennen> ah, in that case, i am unlikely to be much more help. :)
• 3782[23:37:21] <sn00p> the digitalocean one
• 3783[23:37:28] <jhutchins> teraflops: You mean using the -delete command with find?
• 3784[23:37:49] <teraflops> or just rm jhutchins
• 3785[23:37:52] <teraflops> sn00p: replaced-url
• 3786[23:38:13] <sn00p> I use apt-get
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• 3788[23:38:27] <jhutchins> teraflops: Some people don't know find has that option.
• 3789[23:38:28] <teraflops> sn00p: you want to setup a windows client?
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• 3791[23:38:36] <sn00p> yes a client
• 3792[23:38:52] <sn00p> I cant seem to set it up in networking
• 3793[23:38:54] <sn00p> vpn
• 3794[23:38:58] <johnkeates> duh
• 3795[23:38:59] <johnkeates> you can't
• 3796[23:39:01] <johnkeates> read the manual
• 3797[23:39:12] <johnkeates> it says download the open vpn software for windows and install it on windows
• 3798[23:39:14] <teraflops> sn00p: windows did have dpkg/apt last time I tried
• 3799[23:39:20] <johnkeates> no it doesn't
• 3800[23:39:26] <teraflops> didnt* sorry
• 3801[23:39:29] <johnkeates> ;-)
• 3802[23:39:30] <fagbodildage> it surely does
• 3803[23:39:33] <johnkeates> no
• 3804[23:39:39] <sn00p> I dont want to setup a server on windows
• 3805[23:39:39] <fagbodildage> linux subsystem
• 3806[23:39:44] <johnkeates> windows 10 insider preview maybe
• 3807[23:39:45] <sn00p> I already have a debian vpn
• 3808[23:39:47] <johnkeates> but even then it's an addon
• 3809[23:39:53] <johnkeates> sn00p
• 3810[23:39:54] <johnkeates> install
• 3811[23:39:56] <johnkeates> the CLIENT
• 3812[23:39:57] <johnkeates> software
• 3813[23:40:04] <johnkeates> vpn has tw0 parts
• 3814[23:40:19] <johnkeates> windows doesn't know how to VPN, you need software for that
• 3815[23:40:23] <teraflops> fagbodildage: sure we can speak about silly & useless things not related at all with the current issue if you want, but not here
• 3816[23:40:39] <fagbodildage> teraflops: wind your neck in
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• 3821[23:43:09] <frikinz> windows 7 didn't need any additional software for vpn client functionnality
• 3822[23:43:45] <johnkeates> okay
• 3823[23:43:47] <johnkeates> well
• 3824[23:44:04] <johnkeates> in the real world Windows never ever ever ever has OpenVPN support from Microsoft
• 3825[23:44:34] <johnkeates> at best PPTP and some flaky IPsec/L2TP stuff that usually isn't compatible with anything
• 3826[23:44:55] <teraflops> johnkeates: they do ipsec though
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• 3829[23:45:10] <teraflops> sn00p: replaced-url
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• 3834[23:46:27] <johnkeates> teraflops: that's why I included IPSec in my message :p
• 3835[23:46:32] <teraflops> yeah
• 3836[23:46:33] <frikinz> windows 7 does handle IPsec and IKEv2...
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• 3838[23:46:53] <johnkeates> thanks for repeating us :P
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• 3841[23:47:36] <frikinz> you said ipsec/l2tp which doesn't exist. l2tp/ispec does and is not the same as ipsec. anyway......
• 3842[23:47:53] <johnkeates> i said PPTP is stupid and ipsec and l2tp
• 3843[23:48:24] <johnkeates> you can do IPSec over L2TP and IKEv2
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• 3845[23:48:32] <johnkeates> you can't do OpenVPN
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• 3847[23:48:39] <johnkeates> which was the thing we're actually talking about
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• 3851[23:50:05] <teraflops> well, they added ssh binaries so eventually who knows
• 3852[23:50:27] <fagbodildage> got to harvest those passwords somehow
• 3853[23:50:41] <johnkeates> well, maybe sn00p will wait forever until those things happen instead of making his current openvpn setup work
• 3854[23:50:46] <teraflops> xD
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• 3862[23:59:08] <rainfyre> help. I have 2 versions of a package installed, the i386 and the amd64 versions of gir1.2-ibus-1.0, but neither will fully install or purge.
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