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• 27[00:34:41] <edlou> any of you conky experts?
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• 44[00:54:33] <secretpow> Hi, I installed timidity, which pulled in fluid-soundfont-gm. Then I uninstalled timidity again. I expected that "apt autoremove" would then remove fluid-soundfont-gm, but it doesn't. Why is that the case? Am I misunderstanding what autoremove is supposed to do?
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• 46[00:57:12] <thenori> @secretpow, apt autoremove is a command you run
• 47[00:57:12] <nvz> secretpow: aptitude why fluid-soundfont-gm
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• 52[00:57:33] <thenori> also it has to be run as superuser
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• 54[00:57:47] <nvz> @.@
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• 56[00:58:25] <thenori> it's not a daemon that cleans up after you, it's a function that has to be called
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• 61[00:59:39] <nvz> yes an always wipe front to back, and don't take any wooden nickles while we're stating the obvious of things not asked
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• 66[01:00:48] <dvs> talk with your mouth full?
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• 77[01:07:27] <fuxxy> Stranger danger is a myth
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• 82[01:08:17] <secretpow> nvz: hmm, interesting. Apparently mpd has some dependencies which end up suggesting fluid-soundfont-gm - I assume that's why it won't remove it? Is there a way to make it "ignore" suggested packages?
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• 84[01:09:06] <dvs> secretpow, well, you can remove it manually if it is a suggested package.
• 85[01:09:29] <dvs> or even if it is a recommended package.
• 86[01:10:04] <nvz> secretpow: apt-get has always done this.. its only apt that assumes things like that
• 87[01:10:22] <nvz> and yes, its configurable.. I just don't know how offhand
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• 92[01:11:42] <nvz> dpkg, apt recommends?
• 93[01:11:42] <dpkg> Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
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• 102[01:15:56] <somiaj> secretpow: suggested packages are ignored by default, recommended packages are not.
• 103[01:17:30] <somiaj> Though there is no clear line (and often disagreements) on what should be recommended vs suggested, in general if a package is recommended it is required for some feature of the software, while a suggeted package is one that enhances or works well with the software.
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• 105[01:18:14] <somiaj> so if you ignore all recommended packages, you may find if you install something you don't have all the functionality you would want.
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• 109[01:21:00] <secretpow> I meant "ignore" like if there's nothing stronger than a "suggests" relation to a package, then autoremove could remove it
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• 112[01:22:03] <secretpow> I mean, as far as I know, suggested packages are not installed by default, so if I actually want a suggested package, I'd have to install it myself, in which case it would be marked as manually installed, and would not be removed by autoremove either
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• 116[01:26:34] <secretpow> I also found Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant "false" on Google, which appears to do what I want
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• 121[01:29:21] <solrize_x> hi i installed debian 10.2 on a laptop and used it for a while, installing various packages (apt-get install and python pip install) along the way. i want to wipe it and reinstall. i can save and restore the user files but is there a convenient way to find out all the apt packages i installed that weren't in the base system? i did the usual thing of installing stuff as needed when it wasn't already there. if i can do the same with pip package
• 122[01:29:23] <solrize_x> s that's even better, though i realize that last is not a debian question per se. thanks
• 123[01:29:57] <dvs> dpkg --get-selections ?
• 124[01:29:59] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, dvs
• 125[01:30:08] <dvs> !shut up
• 126[01:30:08] <dpkg> No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
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• 131[01:30:55] <solrize_x> dvs hnnm that looks promising, thanks
• 132[01:31:03] <dvs> np
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• 134[01:31:57] <solrize_x> erm that seems to show everything rather than non-base stuff? but if i just install it all, i guess it won't re-install what is already there
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• 137[01:32:30] <dvs> yeah, it won't reinstall if it is already installed
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• 139[01:32:35] <fuxxy> solrize_x, I was researching just that a few months ago. The simplest answer was to spin up a new install, and after the reboot and you're allowed to log in, run a dpkg <unsure of options>, then compare that list to the one from your current system.
• 140[01:33:02] <alencc1986> solrize_x: If you want to list APT's history, you can 'cat /var/log/apt/history.log' and check the packages which were installed.
• 141[01:33:21] <alencc1986> solrize_x: Then, remove those packages you have installed.
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• 144[01:35:45] <dvs> fuxxy, that's a round about way of doing it
• 145[01:36:17] <fuxxy> dvs, I thought so too. but at the time, that's the best answer I could get, since my machine had been up for YEARS
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• 147[01:37:10] <fuxxy> I ended up installing fresh, and just banging my head against the keyboard until I got the dependancies I needed all sorted
• 148[01:37:36] <dvs> fuxxy, you can capture the output of "dpkg --get-selections" and then, after the new install, pipe that output to "dpkg --set-selections"
• 149[01:38:47] <fuxxy> dvs, that sounds familiar. That was probably the solution I found previously
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• 168[01:57:26] <fuxxy> So I've changed the username for the service user debian-deluged to 'deluge'. Now when I attempt to su to deluge, I'm presented with "su: Authentication failure". What did I forget?
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• 174[02:00:33] <solrize_x> fuxxy, alencc* -- thanks
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• 179[02:04:32] <fuxxy> aha, I should have used usermod to change the username, not simply editing /etc/passwd
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• 184[02:07:06] <solrize_x> i also notice, when i installed i added a user account for myself and i was automatically able to use sudo even though the account name was not in sudoers (ok fine). later i added another account and that account was NOT able to sudo until i added it. adding it to the root group didn't help. this seems to not match the sudo docs. any idea?
• 185[02:07:14] <solrize_x> original user was in the root group
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• 190[02:08:54] <dvs> solrize_x, maybe the installer added the initial user to the sudoers group?
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• 195[02:11:29] <LtL> if you do not give root a password during install, the first user gets sudo, or else nobody has root access.
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• 197[02:11:52] <LtL> nobody as in anyone
• 198[02:12:14] <solrize_x> yeah the first user was in the group but the 2nd was not, and adding the 2nd didn't help, i had to actually edit the sudoers file
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• 201[02:12:43] <solrize_x> LtL, hmm interesting, any idea how that happens? i didn't notice anything about it in the docs
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• 204[02:13:35] <LtL> solrize_x: adduser username sudo as root does the same thing without touching /etc/sudoers
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• 211[02:14:06] <solrize_x> LtL, ok I'll try to figure out how sudo detects that thanks
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• 228[02:18:48] <LtL> solrize_x: if you give a root password during install, no user will have sudo privileges but can be added to the sudo group with adduser. sudo will likely need to be installed manually first. sudoers isn't really needed except for indivual command permission
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• 236[02:27:35] <fuxxy> I'm trying to use 'find' to identify empty subdirectories under /path/to/somewhere. I'm using the command 'find /path/to/somewhere/* -type d -empty -delete' . I'm observing that if that runs while /path/to/somewhere/ is already empty, it deletes the folder "somewhere". What gives? And what should I be using to keep it from deleting part of the path I've specified?
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• 238[02:30:06] <dvs> fuxxy, use the mindepth option?
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• 240[02:32:37] <fuxxy> soo... -mindepth=1 ?
• 241[02:32:44] <fuxxy> that's what I'm interpreting
• 242[02:34:04] <dvs> looks right but I haven't tried it myself
• 243[02:34:12] <fuxxy> testing now
• 244[02:34:17] <chance> fuxxy, yea, mindepth. The file globbing character * can equal any character or group of characters, or even none.
• 245[02:35:05] <chance> fuxxy, and if you directly give it that directory and tell it to delete empty ones, it's your victim.
• 246[02:35:35] <fuxxy> chance, what do you mean?
• 247[02:36:01] <chance> fuxxy, "find /path/to/somewhere/*" may as well be "find /path/to/somewhere/"
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• 249[02:36:47] <fuxxy> so you're saying it's a bonehead attempt? or that eliminating the * is a better way?
• 250[02:37:06] <chance> fuxxy, just use mindepth.
• 251[02:37:11] <fuxxy> okay
• 252[02:37:57] <fuxxy> I've attempted both with and without, and both 'find' executions return the same 3 empty directories. Neither attempt returned the TLD I specified as a match
• 253[02:38:00] <fuxxy> ahh
• 254[02:38:04] <fuxxy> cause it's not empty.. yet
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• 257[02:40:07] <fuxxy> aha, there it is
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• 265[02:47:17] <somiaj> if using shell globbing you can also do ?* to ensure at least one character
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• 267[02:48:14] <somiaj> though you do have to be careful about hidden (.) directories with shell globbing, and should let find do all the work, find /path/to/somewhere/ options
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• 311[03:32:26] <de-facto> Noticed sudo is not preinstalled on some systems, what would be the "su..." equivalent to "sudo -u user -g group id"?
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• 313[03:35:15] <somiaj> de-facto: su - username is how you become a username with su, I don't think you can control the group though
• 314[03:35:21] <somiaj> you might just want to install sudo
• 315[03:35:32] <somiaj> (note sudo is only installed if you don't assign root a password during the isntall phase)
• 316[03:36:04] <somiaj> oh nevermind, sudo does have a -g group option for primary group
• 317[03:36:11] <somiaj> sudo -g group - user
• 318[03:36:22] <de-facto> I would need to run a program with user acme and group ssl-cert but user acme has login shell /bin/false
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• 320[03:37:01] <de-facto> yeah "sudo -u acme -g ssl-cert id" works yet I could not find a "su ..." equivalent to it
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• 324[03:38:05] <de-facto> its a homeless system account without shell
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• 328[03:39:58] <somiaj> su -s /bin/bash -g ssl-cert -u acme
• 329[03:40:23] <somiaj> man su for all the options, they are all there
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• 335[03:46:24] <de-facto> would not be accepted by su
• 336[03:47:31] <de-facto> ah this works: su acme -g ssl-cert -s /bin/sh -c id
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• 339[03:48:12] <de-facto> thanks
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• 392[04:45:55] <Lady_Aleena> Does sql get installed with debian? Does whichever sql program it is come with a graphical interface?
• 393[04:46:21] <joepublic> no, and n/a
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• 396[04:46:49] <Lady_Aleena> Why is a graphical interface non-applicable?
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• 398[04:47:01] <joepublic> because there isn't a default sql installed?
• 399[04:47:17] <joepublic> you could install mariadb and then use, say, mysqlworkbench as an interface
• 400[04:48:22] <Lady_Aleena> That package does not exist.
• 401[04:48:56] <joepublic> which package?
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• 403[04:49:30] <Lady_Aleena> mariadb
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• 407[04:50:08] <joepublic> try apt-cache search mariadb for options.
• 408[04:51:01] <joepublic> ,v mariadb-server
• 409[04:51:02] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.44-0+deb9u1; buster: 1:10.3.22-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.22-1; sid: 1:10.3.22-1
• 410[04:51:10] <joepublic> ,v mariadb-client
• 411[04:51:11] <judd> Package: mariadb-client on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.44-0+deb9u1; buster: 1:10.3.22-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.22-1; sid: 1:10.3.22-1
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• 414[04:51:18] <joepublic> ,v mysql-workbench
• 415[04:51:19] <judd> Package: mysql-workbench on amd64 -- jessie: 6.2.3+dfsg-7; stretch: 6.3.8+dfsg-1; sid: 8.0.19+dfsg-1
• 416[04:51:28] <Lady_Aleena> Why does sql have to be such a pita.
• 417[04:51:37] <joepublic> hmm, strike out on mysql-workbench
• 418[04:51:46] <joepublic> I think that's a feature.
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• 420[04:52:25] <Lady_Aleena> So SQL is a pita just for fun?
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• 422[04:52:57] <joepublic> I don't find it all that fun, no :)
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• 425[04:54:42] <Lady_Aleena> I store my data in flat text files, currently. It is getting to be a headache, and a lot of programmers that I know hate the way I store data. They keep telling me to use SQL. I just wish that there was a generic flavor of it.
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• 427[04:55:48] <joepublic> flat files -> sql is pretty straightforward as these things go
• 428[04:58:36] <Lady_Aleena> Do I want both the server and client?
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• 430[04:58:55] <joepublic> yes.
• 431[04:59:23] <Lady_Aleena> Okeydokey, got them both.
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• 433[05:01:24] <terr_> Lady_Aleena, of course you want a server. Champagne please?
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• 437[05:03:32] <Lady_Aleena> terr_, I know nearly nothing about SQL, but what the h***, I'll install something for it.
• 438[05:05:32] <terr_> you have many choices. I have PostgreSQL, MySQL, Oracle...
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• 440[05:05:54] <terr_> none (thankfully) working right now.
• 441[05:06:35] <Lady_Aleena> With so many programmers telling me to use SQL, I will eventually have to buckle.
• 442[05:07:09] <Lady_Aleena> Just like one day I will have to figure out version control (more than likely git).
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• 444[05:08:07] <terr_> It depends what you want to do. grep works for many things
• 445[05:08:19] <Lady_Aleena> grep works for what?
• 446[05:08:25] <joepublic> ^^
• 447[05:08:58] <Lady_Aleena> I didn't think that grep had anything to do with data storage or version control.
• 448[05:09:23] <terr_> nope - it jsut lets you find things and that is basically all SQL does
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• 451[05:09:57] <joepublic> sql does a little more than find things.
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• 453[05:10:26] <Lady_Aleena> I write perl scripts that are currently use my flat data files (like csv, but with pipes).
• 454[05:10:44] <Lady_Aleena> s/that are currently/that currently/;
• 455[05:10:45] <terr_> with SQL you need to load everything into tables. THese arae records in old style files. You can index these records via fields... and the issue is the data basically is in a columar format - and some here may disagree
• 456[05:11:06] <joepublic> well, there's a reason for that...
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• 460[05:12:04] <terr_> joepublic, well enlighten us please
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• 462[05:12:36] <joepublic> sql enables relational data storage, which is more robust and complex than simply isolated fields.
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• 465[05:15:29] <Lady_Aleena> So, after installing mariadb-server and -client, is there a gui for it?
• 466[05:15:37] <terr_> joepublic, oh yes - of course. But Lady_Aleena is coming from flat files... I did not want to get sophisticated
• 467[05:15:58] <joepublic> I would agree that grepping text files is pretty unsophisticated :)
• 468[05:16:07] <terr_> Lady_Aleena, I have never used maria
• 469[05:16:39] <terr_> I am pretty unsophistcated. until I get into 50,000 lines of code
• 470[05:17:11] <Lady_Aleena> And now the song "Maria" from the Sound of Music is in my head.
• 471[05:18:01] <terr_> Julie Christie singing?
• 472[05:18:12] <terr_> I was listening to Fleetwood Mac
• 473[05:18:42] <joepublic> Lady_Aleena, gmysqlcc shows up in an apt search. never tried it, but, that seems to be what's in stretch
• 474[05:18:44] <joepublic> er buster
• 475[05:18:55] <Lady_Aleena> So, I need a mariadb gui, but there isn't one?
• 476[05:19:16] <joepublic> mariadb provides "mysql" for which there are a plethora of guis
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• 479[05:19:42] <terr_> Lady_Aleena, ANY SQL DBMS is going to be sophisticated... what do you need to do?
• 480[05:20:14] <Lady_Aleena> Put some data into a form most programmers would use.
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• 483[05:23:57] <Lady_Aleena> I may start working with someone on a project where the data I have collected into my flat text files might be put into use, however, if the person is more savvy than I am, he might prefer the data in a "better" format.
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• 485[05:25:13] <terr_> Lady_Aleena, I would prefer flat files. How big?
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• 487[05:25:28] <terr_> if you can manage the flat file in an editor then its not big
• 488[05:26:20] <Lady_Aleena> I have data on over 2,000 fictional characters across about 12 text files.
• 489[05:26:23] <terr_> I am actually not feeling well - I just dropped in for a few minutes.
• 490[05:26:30] <terr_> how many lines?
• 491[05:27:08] <Lady_Aleena> The main character file has 2,200 lines.
• 492[05:27:17] <terr_> that is not large
• 493[05:27:26] <terr_> I have source files bigger
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• 495[05:27:39] <terr_> what editor do you use?
• 496[05:27:44] <Lady_Aleena> Geany
• 497[05:27:55] <terr_> Oh - never heard of that one.
• 498[05:28:03] <joepublic> I also use geany
• 499[05:28:07] <Lady_Aleena> What text editor do you use terr_?
• 500[05:28:57] <terr_> I use vim and emacs. Now Kate is starting to grow on me a bit - but no lap dancing yet. My favorite is Brief - which is from the 1980s. the Good Ol 1980s
• 501[05:29:03] <Lady_Aleena> And terr_, if you need to go lie down to feel better, I won't keep you from your bed.
• 502[05:29:24] <terr_> I'm okay. I might just need to get a drink
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• 504[05:29:59] <Lady_Aleena> I need to go to the kitchen for about 5 minutes to put together another pitcher of tea.
• 505[05:30:17] <terr_> Iced tea?
• 506[05:30:18] <Lady_Aleena> terr_, drink water.
• 507[05:30:23] <Lady_Aleena> Yes, iced tea.
• 508[05:30:24] <oiaohm> Lady_Aleena: for writing how you do your char layout is personal choice. Some writers like a file per char others prefer to group relegated chars into a single file.
• 509[05:30:45] <Lady_Aleena> Each character gets one line.
• 510[05:31:12] <Lady_Aleena> ...in the main file. There are many other files with additional data on characters if applicable.
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• 513[05:32:49] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
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• 515[05:34:39] <oiaohm> Lady_Aleena: for a play I did I used DIA a long time ago. Please note any diagram program would work to graphically do up char interrelation ship as a poster I could get print up and put on wall as reference.
• 516[05:35:42] <oiaohm> That did turn out useful when I had to write a complete char out of the script because we were going to be a person short.
• 517[05:36:21] <oiaohm> Lady_Aleena: all I can say is try different things and keep what works for you.
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• 519[05:37:55] <terr_> oiaohm, I am conserned that pretty much ANY real SQL database is going to be huge overkill.
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• 523[05:38:40] <terr_> I need help with IP. I can do this: ip a show wlp2s0 and it does show the interface. it shows it as up. I want to down it.
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• 525[05:39:02] <terr_> BRB
• 526[05:39:57] <Lady_Aleena> oiaohm, dia sucks when it renders to svg.
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• 528[05:42:13] <terr_> I am not eating cornflakes for Breakfast no more! I have something better
• 529[05:43:29] <Lady_Aleena> Mix corn flakes with frosted flakes (50%/50%), and it is good.
• 530[05:43:36] <terr_> Lady_Aleena, you said 2200 lines. How long are they - and are they formated in a columnar style?
• 531[05:43:50] <Lady_Aleena> terr_, see replaced-url
• 532[05:43:53] <terr_> Lady_Aleena, fattening and too much sugar
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• 535[05:45:06] <Lady_Aleena> SOB! Firefox wrapped the lines.
• 536[05:46:02] <Lady_Aleena> The longest line is 1,724 characters.
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• 538[05:46:45] <terr_> Aaron (WTC.1) <-- a character?
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• 540[05:48:31] <Lady_Aleena> Yes.
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• 543[05:50:18] <Lady_Aleena> By the way, I keep the headings in the code.
• 544[05:50:29] <Lady_Aleena> s/code/perl code/;
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• 546[05:53:10] <Lady_Aleena> And is this still on-topic?
• 547[05:53:18] <terr_> so you have a character followed by attributes followed by text
• 548[05:53:25] <Lady_Aleena> Yes.
• 549[05:53:30] <terr_> we can go to offtopic.
• 550[05:53:51] <Lady_Aleena> Yeah, I think we drifted off topic. 8)
• 551[05:54:19] <terr_> can someone help me with iwconfig? I want to down WiFI
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• 553[05:55:23] <Lady_Aleena> terr_, have you tried to get help in ##linux?
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• 555[05:58:01] <oiaohm> Lady_Aleena: please note I said a long time ago.
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• 557[05:58:22] <oiaohm> Lady_Aleena: back then rendering svg was not exactly important.
• 558[05:58:47] <Lady_Aleena> Ah, I tried dia several months ago, and I was horrified by the svg output.
• 559[06:00:09] <Lady_Aleena> However, while inkscape may be the premier gui svg program, even it writes svg bloated.
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• 950[10:57:02] <epsilon> hi, i have recovered a raid 1 from a single disk with grown defetcs by attaching healthy one to raid. during the sync - which is now finished - I saw a bunch of ATA errors in log
• 951[10:57:36] <epsilon> Is there any way to check how many blocks/MB were not readable and not synced properly, and data may be lost?
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• 957[11:01:30] <jim> that one, unfortunately I do not know... folks here might know, you might also try ##hardware (doesn't actually seem likely)
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• 1010[11:34:07] <ksk> whats the trigger again for "bot, please tell me why package XY was removed from debian"?
• 1011[11:35:17] <ratrace> judd: bug rm <package>
• 1012[11:35:22] <ksk> thanks :)
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• 1045[11:50:18] <z4kst4r_> I have a deebian package file and I would like to find out what are its dependencies. what is the best way to do that?
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• 1047[11:50:39] <z4kst4r_> without actually installing the debian file
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• 1051[11:51:23] <Haohmaru> i think there is readible text inside
• 1052[11:51:24] <ksk> z4kst4r_: why do you have a package file in the first place? you normally use apt to install software in debian.
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• 1054[11:51:44] <Haohmaru> ksk smells like he wants to break his debian
• 1055[11:52:10] <ratrace> z4kst4r_: look the package up on replaced-url
• 1056[11:52:50] <ksk> z4kst4r_: and "apt show package" would tell you which packages it depends on.
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• 1059[11:54:44] <Ticho> z4kst4r_: dpkg-deb --info yourfile.deb
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• 1066[11:58:57] <z4kst4r_> ksk: ratrace: This is a custom package from a vendor
• 1067[11:59:25] <ratrace> oh
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• 1072[12:04:15] <ksk> z4kst4r_: then, ask vendor :>
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• 1095[12:18:20] <Johannes> u guys suck so epic i wish debian will die and you guys are so incompetent that it insults me you fucking stupid idiots go home you fucking noobs bwahahaha
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• 1099[12:19:31] <ratrace> *PLONK*
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• 1102[12:20:31] <bolt> Someone is having a less than stellar day...
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• 1104[12:20:38] <z4kst4r_> ksk: Lets just say I am from vendor and I was tasked to get all the dependencies. I am gonna attempt to write a script that finds out all the dependencies, downloads it and packages it all in gzip.
• 1105[12:20:43] <z4kst4r_> :)
• 1106[12:21:52] <Haohmaru> wow, dafuq was that
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• 1108[12:22:49] <Haohmaru> did someone push him and he dropped his icecream ;P~
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• 1110[12:23:16] <ratrace> now, an op should kick ban the IP shown in that cloak, and see what other users fall out. BUSTED BY TEAM BUSTER!
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• 1112[12:24:11] <Ticho> z4kst4r_: I already gave you the answer above
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• 1118[12:25:17] <z4kst4r_> Ticho: Yes that was helpful. I saw that. Sorry I did not acknowledge :)
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• 1120[12:26:03] <Ticho> alright, just making sure it did not get drowned out in the channel join/part noise :)
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• 1133[12:33:36] <torchinz> hey guys, my debian installer does not show thumbnails for every file (like it shows for mp4 video files but not for the rest)
• 1134[12:33:55] <torchinz> do I need to download something to add that feature?
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• 1137[12:35:34] <jm_> thumbnails in debian installer?
• 1138[12:35:39] <ratrace> torchinz: debian installer? you probably mean something else
• 1139[12:36:07] <torchinz> my mistake
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• 1141[12:36:22] <torchinz> i meant, my debian buster does not show thumbnails
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• 1144[12:37:09] <torchinz> if I open a folder in debian, it only shows thumbnails for a selected format of videos and none for the photos
• 1145[12:37:15] <ratrace> torchinz: you again probably mean something else, maybe the file manager in whatever DE you're using there?
• 1146[12:38:07] <torchinz> yes. for example, when you open a folder in Windows, you see thumbnails of a files, that help you identify/give a preview
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• 1149[12:39:24] <ratrace> and which desktop environment is that? GNOME (default)?
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• 1172[12:52:44] <torchinz> ratrace, apologies for not seeing your question. the env is Cinnamon
• 1173[12:52:50] <torchinz> X-Cinnamon
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• 1214[13:15:44] <ratrace> siavoshkc: so you're saying, `ls -l` is not colorized but `ls -l --color=yes` (or =auto) is?
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• 1221[13:17:36] <siavoshkc> ratrace: After I executed dircolors ls is colorized even without that option.
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• 1223[13:18:29] <ratrace> siavoshkc: what about a fresh new shell where you did not execute dircolors
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• 1225[13:19:07] <siavoshkc> Can't see why .bashrc didn't executed in the first place and neither why it is colorful now.
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• 1227[13:19:16] <jm_> siavoshkc: it should be coloured by default
• 1228[13:19:55] <siavoshkc> ratrace in a new shell there is no colorful output from ls without its option. but didn't try it with its option on
• 1229[13:20:16] <jm_> does 'alias ls' confirm you are getting the aliased ls?
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• 1231[13:21:20] <ratrace> you ask people for some info and then they keep on blabbing about trying everythign except what you asked them to.... ain't nobody got time for dis.
• 1232[13:22:02] <siavoshkc> jm_ yes alias ls shows it is using color=auto
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• 1235[13:25:10] <jm_> I tried it with su after copying files from /etc/skel and it seems to work OK, it uses colours
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• 1239[13:27:16] <jm_> tried it again after realizing I had old .dircolors files, but it still works
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• 1250[13:32:21] <jm_> siavoshkc: basically it sets LS_COLORS env var
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• 1256[13:34:23] <siavoshkc> jm_: yes but the question is why it is not run when system starts.
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• 1258[13:34:34] <Guest79852> Jelly thank you.
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• 1263[13:37:18] <jm_> siavoshkc: like I said, it works just fine for me for a user that uses bash shell, I assume you also use that
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• 1279[13:40:43] <jm_> it works both in a login and non-login shell for me with default bash startup files
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• 1356[14:05:56] <giantmidget> test
• 1357[14:06:09] <dvs> !test
• 1358[14:06:10] <dpkg> Test failed.
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• 1360[14:06:23] <giantmidget> damn
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• 1363[14:07:15] <kdr2> Test failed again.
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• 1372[14:11:09] <g0d_shatter> any one know how to resolve a "asm/types.h" not found error? I'm trying to work my way through the BPF observability book, and on two different versions of debian I get this error replaced-url
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• 1376[14:12:14] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: got linux-headers-amd64 package installed?
• 1377[14:12:39] <ratrace> (more specifically, headers for your running kernel, but this metapackage would pull them in)
• 1378[14:12:45] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: checking now
• 1379[14:13:17] <g0d_shatter> I do indeed
• 1380[14:14:15] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: this is the program fwiw replaced-url
• 1381[14:14:35] <terr_> Debian stretch: I am looking to manually up and down my WiFi interface. I did this: ip link set wlp2s0 down
• 1382[14:14:52] <terr_> ip link set wlp2s0 up
• 1383[14:14:56] <terr_> ip a
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• 1387[14:15:38] <ratrace> ,file asm/types.h
• 1388[14:15:43] <judd> Search for asm/types.h in buster/amd64: [truncated] linux-libc-dev-mips64el-cross: usr/mips64el-linux-gnuabi64/include/asm/types.h; linux-libc-dev-armhf-cross: usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include/asm/types.h; linux-libc-dev-mipsel-cross: usr/mipsel-linux-gnu/include/asm/types.h; linux-libc-dev-mipsr6-cross: usr/mipsisa32r6-linux-gnu/include/asm/types.h; linux-libc-dev-mipsn32-cross: usr/mips64
• 1389[14:15:44] <judd> -linux-gnuabin32/include/asm/types.h; linux-libc-dev: usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/asm/types.h; linux-libc-dev-armel-cross: usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/include/asm/types.h; linux-libc-dev-mips64r6-cross: usr/mipsisa64r6-linux-gnuabi64/include/asm/types.h; dietlibc-dev: usr/include/diet/asm/types.h; linux-libc-dev-m68k-cross: usr/m68k-linux-gnu/include/asm/types.h; linux-libc-dev-alpha-cross: (2 more messages)
• 1390[14:16:09] <terr_> what it shows is the link is restored back up EXCEPT inet6 is no longer present _AND_ when I tryu to ping I get connect: Network is unreachable
• 1391[14:16:52] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: thing is, that specific path in your paste is not handled by any package, so you're maybe missing an -I for your compilation invocation
• 1392[14:16:53] <g0d_shatter> oh wow, nice bot
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• 1398[14:17:20] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: huh, alright, I'll give that a shot
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• 1403[14:17:52] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: I am assuming however that you want the kernel header types.h, since it's bpf you're working with
• 1404[14:17:59] <terr_> g0d_shatter, that does look like a nice bot
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• 1406[14:18:07] <terr_> a HOT bot
• 1407[14:18:29] <ratrace> !botsnack
• 1408[14:18:29] <dpkg> thanks, ratrace
• 1409[14:18:30] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: I assume the same, I'm not sure where in the invocation I'm supposed to throw that option though, to be honest
• 1410[14:18:48] <g0d_shatter> clang -O2 -target bpf -c bpf_program.c -o bpf_program.o
• 1411[14:18:55] <terr_> !botsnack
• 1412[14:18:55] <dpkg> aw, gee, terr_
• 1413[14:19:07] <terr_> see - a real nice hot bot
• 1414[14:19:11] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: oh you clang....
• 1415[14:19:18] <g0d_shatter> I know, I know
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• 1417[14:19:38] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: in my defense its whats listed in the book!
• 1418[14:19:40] <terr_> does anyone know manually how to up a WiFi interface?
• 1419[14:19:52] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: I guess this is the right doc: replaced-url
• 1420[14:20:02] <g0d_shatter> terr_: take a look at the iw, of iwconfig commands
• 1421[14:20:11] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: thank you
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• 1424[14:20:41] <terr_> g0d_shatter, did... I used this - and it should work. Unfortunately I cannot easily copy/past since the interface is down!
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• 1427[14:20:58] <g0d_shatter> for sure
• 1428[14:21:02] <terr_> ip link set wlp2s0 up
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• 1430[14:21:07] <ratrace> terr_: if you've configured the NIC in your interfaces(5) file, you can also use ifup and ifdown
• 1431[14:21:19] <g0d_shatter> I'm actually having problems of my own with my wifi driver, and I've been futzing with it for days
• 1432[14:21:25] <terr_> ip a shows it up but WITHOUT inet6 (which I should not need)
• 1433[14:21:45] <terr_> well it WAS working until I did this:
• 1434[14:21:50] <terr_> ip link set wlp2s0 down
• 1435[14:22:12] <terr_> and after I downed it I expected it would not work - and guess what - it didn't!
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• 1444[14:26:17] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: thank you for the help, still not working but I think I'm going to try the clang room now given that that is clearly the source of the problem
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• 1446[14:26:49] <terr_> ifup wlp2s0 says unknown interface. "ip a" shows it as wlp2s0
• 1447[14:27:16] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: which dir did you add to -I ?
• 1448[14:27:19] <g0d_shatter> terr_: have you tried grepping the output of dmesg?
• 1449[14:27:34] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: /usr/include/asm-generic
• 1450[14:27:35] <terr_> also ifconfig is not installed and Stretch via apt-get install ifconfig could not find the package
• 1451[14:27:39] <joepublic> yeah i heard grep is pretty powerful
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• 1454[14:28:08] <terr_> grep is very powerful. I can slip dmesg into less
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• 1456[14:28:27] <joepublic> less is less powerful.
• 1457[14:28:28] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: try -I/usr/src/linux-headers-4.19.0-8-common/arch/x86/include/ assuming that's your kernel
• 1458[14:28:40] <ratrace> (and assuming you're on x86 arch)
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• 1460[14:28:57] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: I am indeed on x86
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• 1462[14:29:11] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: btw, linux kernel and clang aren't best friends yet.
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• 1465[14:29:48] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: I am painfully becoming aware of this :)
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• 1477[14:36:24] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: whats really strange is that clang isn't respecting the option, its still looking elsewhere for that file
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• 1483[14:41:28] <dob1> does qemu gives better performance than virtualbox for a windows guest?
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• 1485[14:43:06] <terr_> ifquery -l shows ONLY lo where are the other interfaces?
• 1486[14:43:25] <terr_> ip shows them
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• 1488[14:43:34] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: on the weird chance that someone else drops in here with the same problem, the solution was to install gcc-multilib
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• 1490[14:43:42] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: thanks for taking the time to help
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• 1492[14:45:19] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: what does that do, btw? symlinks?
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• 1494[14:46:33] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: I'm honestly not sure!
• 1495[14:46:47] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: but it worked!
• 1496[14:46:57] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: can you post here what does this say: file /usr/include/asm
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• 1498[14:47:28] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: /usr/include/asm: symbolic link to x86_64-linux-gnu/asm
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• 1500[14:47:33] <ratrace> d'oh
• 1501[14:47:49] <g0d_shatter> !?!
• 1502[14:48:20] <g0d_shatter> I'm guessing I could've just symlinked myself is your estimation here?!
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• 1505[14:49:05] <terr_> well - another glitch. dmesg | tail -f does not work - it ignores -f
• 1506[14:49:06] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: that wasn't a "duh", but a "d'oh", Homer style :)
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• 1512[14:52:48] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: but anyway, forcing a lookup directory with -I _should_ work
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• 1514[14:55:18] <g0d_shatter> huh
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• 1566[15:24:23] <karlpinc> terr_: How do you know?
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• 1610[15:49:56] <j2mb0> hey guys, how do i cycle between windows of the same app active on *different* workspaces?
• 1611[15:50:58] <karlpinc> j2mb0: Depends on your desktop.
• 1612[15:51:01] <j2mb0> xfce
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• 1614[15:51:44] <karlpinc> j2mb0: Well, if you don't get an answer here you can ask (in a bit) on the xfce channel.
• 1615[15:51:52] <j2mb0> thank you
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• 1617[15:52:04] <wwilliam> in rsync there is an option --dry-run as you all know, is there an option like that in bash to run a "script"?
• 1618[15:52:19] <wwilliam> sorry wrong channel
• 1619[15:52:39] <jelly> but there isn't. A script is a text file. Read it to see what it does.
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• 1622[15:53:26] <wwilliam> Thanks jelly I just wanted to let you know the shrewsoft thinghie worked from that chroot thanks again.
• 1623[15:53:36] <jelly> huh, great
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• 1637[16:03:40] <terr_> karlpinc, tail -f should sit at EOF and display what is written as it is written - it drop immediately ot the command prompt
• 1638[16:03:57] <terr_> karlpinc, tail -f should sit at EOF and display what is written as it is written - it drops immediately to the command prompt
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• 1643[16:05:24] <somiaj> terr_: what is the exact command you typed?
• 1644[16:06:13] <somiaj> read the man page, -f requires a file name to watch, it can't watch a pipe
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• 1646[16:06:38] <somiaj> this isn't a bug, a pipe is not a file it can keep watching, you have to watch an actual file
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• 1648[16:07:23] <terr_> dmesg | tail -f
• 1649[16:07:38] <joepublic> no. tail -f /var/log/kern.log
• 1650[16:07:49] <somiaj> yea, you cannot watch a pipe, there is no file that changes
• 1651[16:08:05] <terr_> joepublic, okay. I was actually wondering what is in dmesg
• 1652[16:08:12] <joepublic> if it
• 1653[16:08:27] <joepublic> if it is in dmesg, it's going to be in kern.log most likely.
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• 1656[16:09:04] <joepublic> I have that command running all the time.
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• 1658[16:09:47] <somiaj> You could also have a cron job that outputs dmesg into /var/log/dmesg and then watch that (though the kern.log is probably good for most use cases)
• 1659[16:10:17] <joepublic> you would be reading the same dmesg over and over again, mostly, i would think
• 1660[16:10:25] <joepublic> just watch kern.log and you will be happy
• 1661[16:10:48] <somiaj> yea, I guess you would need some logic to only add new stuff...
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• 1663[16:10:51] <somiaj> (maybe with diff)
• 1664[16:10:52] <terr_> I tried this: ip link set wlp2s0 up and then ping google.com, I get connect: Network unreachable.
• 1665[16:11:12] <terr_> joepublic, nothing showed up in the log.
• 1666[16:11:28] <terr_> the interface shows as UP
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• 1668[16:11:39] <somiaj> you need to do more than bring a link up, and since it is wireless you need to also assoicate it with an ap (maybe need to use wpasupplicant for this), then assign it an ip (probably via dhcpclient)
• 1669[16:12:00] <somiaj> you probably should use the /etc/network/interfaces file and let it do all the details for you
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• 1671[16:12:26] <somiaj> then you can just use ifup/down to bring up/down interfaces including configuring them.
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• 1673[16:12:48] <terr_> this is weirf - the MAC addresses don't match!
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• 1676[16:13:44] <terr_> somiaj, ifup and ifdown do not see the interface! Its not in /etc/network/interfaces
• 1677[16:13:56] <somiaj> of course
• 1678[16:14:01] <terr_> But the machine booted and WiFI came up automatically.
• 1679[16:14:13] <somiaj> then are you using network-manager if so use that
• 1680[16:14:18] <greycat> sounds like you've got some other network interface manager installed, then
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• 1683[16:14:57] <greycat> n-m ignores any interfaces listed in /e/n/i and manages the rest of them
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• 1685[16:15:19] <terr_> I have in /etc/network/interfaces: source /etc/network/interfaces.d and that directory is empty
• 1686[16:15:27] <greycat> all perfectly normal
• 1687[16:15:43] <somiaj> so as we said, then you proably have some other tool (network-manager is common) managing your network.
• 1688[16:16:31] <terr_> well - I really don't need the asses at this time - I have a grub problem and as soon as I get that resolved I'll be rebooting anyways... but I would like to be able to up and down the WiFi.
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• 1690[16:17:13] <terr_> its default stretch - installed from the .iso I downloaded from the Debian install website. I have Buster here as well.
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• 1692[16:17:14] <greycat> I'm not aware of any donkey-based network management packages. If you're using N-M, then use that to bring the wifi down and up.
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• 1694[16:17:33] <greycat> It has GUI and CLI interfaces.
• 1695[16:18:32] <terr_> network-manager is not installed.
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• 1697[16:18:56] <greycat> OK, well, other things that it could be are systemd-networkd or... what's that other one...
• 1698[16:19:10] <somiaj> wicd is also available
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• 1701[16:19:32] <terr_> wicd - not found
• 1702[16:19:33] <greycat> yeah, that's probably what I was failing to think of
• 1703[16:19:54] <somiaj> though networkd is disabled by default and it is rare that a desktop uses wicd on debian.
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• 1706[16:20:24] <greycat> In my experience here, it's *super* rare that anyone's using anything other than /e/n/i and n-m.
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• 1708[16:20:57] <somiaj> and the installer will use /e/n/i for interfaces used during the install, most desktops pull in n-m and use that.
• 1709[16:21:15] <terr_> somiaj, I was just experimenting... I actually didn't expect the machien to even have network access - but it booted up and found it... so it does have everything available. I just need to find the way to manually start it back up.
• 1710[16:21:39] <somiaj> it is wireless, so wpa_supplicant could be doing the work, though I haven't seen this done without use of the /e/n/i file
• 1711[16:21:59] <terr_> somiaj, I would have thought of e/n/i as well - but I see only source /e/n/i*.d and the llopback
• 1712[16:22:23] <somiaj> terr_: either find a tool you like and use it, or figure out what your machine (which seems to be different than most users) is actually using.
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• 1714[16:22:30] <terr_> and as I said e/n/interfaces.d is empty
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• 1716[16:22:38] <greycat> you don't need to keep repeating that
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• 1720[16:23:00] <terr_> somiaj, it is totally default. I don't intend to use it other than to build a default buster system
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• 1722[16:23:21] <greycat> There is no such thing as "default". Or, it means something different to everybody. Did you allow it to install a Desktop Environment?
• 1723[16:23:27] <somiaj> totally default is a big vague, this can depend on a lot on what you did during the install process and what DE you chose to isntall.
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• 1725[16:23:36] <greycat> If you installed any DE during the installer, it probably brought in network-manager.
• 1726[16:23:54] <terr_> Its KDE
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• 1728[16:24:24] <somiaj> kde would have brought in network-manager, what makes you think it is not installed?
• 1729[16:24:43] <greycat> I have some workstations that were installed as stretch, and where I installed KDE (post installer), and those systems *DO* have network-manager installed.
• 1730[16:24:43] <terr_> hmm - KDE should have gui based option to bring up the network... where would I find it.
• 1731[16:25:18] <terr_> grey - I actually expect it IS there.
• 1732[16:25:21] <somiaj> terr_: just like most desktop guis, under the kde settings menu/tools somewhere
• 1733[16:25:34] <greycat> 10:18 terr_> network-manager is not installed.
• 1734[16:26:02] <somiaj> there is probably a network icon on your pannel you can click to get to that interface too
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• 1738[16:28:17] <terr_> I'm looking in settings now.
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• 1741[16:29:33] <sponix2ipfw> people still use KDE ?
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• 1743[16:29:49] <terr_> I see connection preferences - they look fine. what I don't see is how to re-connect and how to disconnect
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• 1745[16:31:38] <terr_> well - I see under KDE connect - it sees my phone! That is good - I'll try it - its WiFi and the WiFI should not be working right now. <aybe it IS working and its just the network out
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• 1752[16:35:53] <EdePopede> sponix2ipfw: not until they switch from qt to gtk
• 1753[16:35:54] <jhutchins_wk> terr_: KDE should have an applet for NM.
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• 1762[16:40:20] <terr_> jhutchins_wk, ya - I know and I'm looking for it but I have no idea what it might be called. ALSO. WiFi is UP!!! computer talks to phone. I don't know how to use it or what it does - but it is there and its something I probably want!
• 1763[16:41:24] <terr_> under the lower left corner icon I see settings and in there I see network. I did find connect to KDE device and I did activate it and it is my kde interface to the phone. So that is good.
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• 1766[16:43:42] <davis> hello
• 1767[16:43:44] <terr_> I see "system settings" - I do not see any reference to a network manager. Clearly I just don't have the tcp/ip stacks running right now...
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• 1784[16:51:23] <greycat> too late.
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• 1855[17:19:00] <tebicast> silly question: running apt uprade - when trying to upgrade lwfinger it tries to connect on port 80 and i have that blocked so it just hangs, what is the best way to approach this?
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• 1857[17:19:26] <greycat> ,v lwfinger
• 1858[17:19:28] <judd> No package named 'lwfinger' was found in amd64.
• 1859[17:19:44] <greycat> what's the actual package name, and which version of Debian is this?
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• 1862[17:21:04] <oerheks> it is the alternative rtl driver github, replaced-url
• 1863[17:21:26] <greycat> so it's a third-party package? then you probably have to ask their support about it.
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• 1873[17:27:19] <tebicast> im on Kali - its trying to update lwfinger and it is getting stuck because I dont want to connect on port 80
• 1874[17:27:27] <greycat> !kali
• 1875[17:27:27] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1876[17:27:31] <jelly> tebicast: maybe block things so the affected clients get a Connection refused, instead of dropping packets.
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• 1879[17:28:22] <tebicast> why would it try to connect to anything for updates on port 80 , its a fresh build - gotta be a way to circumvent this
• 1880[17:28:37] <jelly> it's hard to say what a different distro does.
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• 1887[17:31:16] <annadane> if you ask questions about a completely different distro then you're not going to get answers, we don't know about everything everyone else does
• 1888[17:31:23] <annadane> doesn't matter if it's "based on" debian
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• 1898[17:36:11] <wwilliam> #kali
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• 1900[17:36:56] <greycat> ... is not the name of the channel, according to the factoid
• 1901[17:37:07] <tebicast> okay , my question is , I'm using "apt upgrade" and it is trying to upgrade lwfinger - on ANY debian box, how do you prevent apt from connecting to anything that is not on HTTPS
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• 1912[17:44:32] <jhutchins_wk> tebicast: Have you read the apt and apt-config manpages? I would expect something in the latter would tell you.
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• 1914[17:45:00] <jhutchins_wk> tebicast: https really doesn't have any advantage on apt downloads, it's just overhead.
• 1915[17:45:26] <EdePopede> well... replaced-url
• 1916[17:45:52] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 1918[17:46:45] <khreshgsye> I'd like to add a new user, so when I have a guest in the house to be able to turn on the computer, yet without worring they'd get to see my porn collection in case they get the chance to suft through my file. Whats the best way to add a bew user? with or without different home directory ? (i'd prefer not to waste much hdd space)
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• 1920[17:46:59] <jelly> tebicast: this isn't the channel to ask generic apt or dpkg questions. Ask your distro or if there's no appropriate place, ##linux. I'd suggest remoing any repos you're not going to use, or that are not available, from your sources.list.
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• 1922[17:47:31] <greycat> khreshgsye: change the permissions on your porn directory so other users can't see it
• 1923[17:47:47] <jelly> wait what
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• 1925[17:48:55] <khreshgsye> greycat: it was a funny way of saying it. i worry more about browser shit. they can read my email faceboo everything u know... i need a guest user so they wouldn't see anything at all
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• 1927[17:48:59] <jelly> that's probably "change the permissions on the porn directory so other users can't see what's inside it"
• 1928[17:49:28] <greycat> well, yes...
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• 1930[17:49:54] <jelly> khreshgsye: a guest user can't read your email without knowing your username and password and mail/webmail server.
• 1931[17:50:05] <greycat> khreshgsye: all of that stuff should *already* have appropriate permissions so that nobody else can read it. If it doesn't, fix them.
• 1932[17:50:31] <greycat> wooledg:~$ ls -ld Mail
• 1933[17:50:31] <greycat> drwx------ 2 wooledg wooledg 32768 Feb 21 11:14 Mail
• 1934[17:50:31] <joepublic> As i understood it, the question was "how to make another user account"
• 1935[17:50:33] <jelly> khreshgsye: when you create a new user and they log in, they won't have access to any of your web browser settings
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• 1937[17:50:51] <jelly> greycat: so THAT'S where you keep it.
• 1938[17:50:53] <greycat> There is nothing special required to make a guest user account. Just make it. They won't be able to see anything that's got privileges set correctly.
• 1939[17:51:09] <jelly> khreshgsye: run "adduser" as root.
• 1940[17:51:14] <greycat> jelly: that's where mutt is configured to save stuff. The inbox is of course ~/Maildir/ which is also 700.
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• 1943[17:51:26] <jelly> greycat: my mutt cannot view porn.
• 1944[17:51:31] <greycat> how sad
• 1945[17:51:59] <khreshgsye> I am readying a tutrial and there are 15 ways of crating a new user. This is why im confused now and asking u whats the best way to waste less hdd space yet have a guest user totly separated from my own user
• 1946[17:52:06] <zodd> how about ascii pr0n? :P
• 1947[17:52:17] <greycat> In Debian, the recommended way to add a new user account is adduser.
• 1948[17:52:23] <digdilem> zodd, thank you, I was about to remind these youngsters
• 1949[17:52:24] <joepublic> creating a new user, with its own home directory, uses negligible disk space.
• 1950[17:52:41] <jelly> negligewhat
• 1951[17:52:48] <joepublic> yes.
• 1952[17:52:50] <greycat> Until they run a web browser.
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• 1954[17:53:02] <digdilem> joe's right though
• 1955[17:53:14] <digdilem> a few lines in text files and a new directory. a few kb tops
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• 1957[17:53:17] <joepublic> then, .cache starts accumulating hoarding habits, yeah
• 1958[17:53:26] <digdilem> oh, and whatever's in the skeleton
• 1959[17:54:12] <jelly> a closet?
• 1960[17:54:40] <khreshgsye> ok guys thanks for the info, ill go ahead with adduser
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• 1965[17:57:37] <EdePopede> khreshgsye: and should you also care about *their* privacy than have the logout script remove sensible data (browser cache also may need some space) or totally rebuild the profile. but in a clean way if possible.
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• 1972[17:59:24] <khreshgsye> ok
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• 2003[18:15:02] <khreshgsye> I have created a new user with adduser and when i go there the apps have no resize option
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• 2005[18:15:34] <joepublic> for example?
• 2006[18:15:35] <khreshgsye> the window of the app is small and no option to make it full screen
• 2007[18:15:48] <EdePopede> alt+rightclick -> drag
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• 2009[18:16:04] <khreshgsye> joepublic: i open chrome. its on half screen . no way to make it full screen. no bottom tab either
• 2010[18:16:07] <EdePopede> even if the theme you use is missing something
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• 2013[18:16:49] <joepublic> saying "no way" is telling me what isn't there... almost everything and everyone in the world isn't there, so that's not a great list to work from. what *is* there?
• 2014[18:17:10] <jhutchins_wk> Is there anything like a log analyser or report generator for atop?
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• 2019[18:20:04] <khreshgsye> look, for example chrome and LXmusic... don't even show the buttons for minimize, enlarge or close window
• 2020[18:20:19] <khreshgsye> and the windows dont have no tab
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• 2022[18:20:26] <joepublic> no buttons on title bar, or no title bar?
• 2023[18:20:38] <khreshgsye> no buttons on the titile bar
• 2024[18:20:49] <joepublic> what desktop environment?
• 2025[18:20:52] <khreshgsye> lxde
• 2026[18:20:58] <Haohmaru> screenshot?
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• 2028[18:21:45] <Haohmaru> ah, you probably don't have a window manager
• 2029[18:21:50] <Haohmaru> making the window frames
• 2030[18:22:03] <Haohmaru> in LXDE that should be openbox
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• 2032[18:22:25] <Haohmaru> but it's changable
• 2033[18:22:50] <khreshgsye> why isnt the openbo woring for the new created user?
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• 2035[18:23:05] <joepublic> that's a very good question imo
• 2036[18:23:23] <Haohmaru> khreshgsye when you make a new user, i think there are situations where their /home/user folder might have nuffing inside
• 2037[18:23:32] <Haohmaru> so it might be related to that
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• 2039[18:23:41] <jhutchins_wk> khreshgsye: I have the same problem with chrome on xfce stretch, but only on one system.
• 2040[18:23:45] <Haohmaru> or, are you *sure* you are logged in into LXDE?
• 2041[18:24:07] <jhutchins_wk> I don't remember if I tried another user.
• 2042[18:24:10] <Haohmaru> wait, do other windows look normal?
• 2043[18:24:25] <khreshgsye> im lxde 100%
• 2044[18:24:40] <khreshgsye> nothing is normal
• 2045[18:24:44] <khreshgsye> i opened PDF reader
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• 2047[18:25:00] <khreshgsye> this one shows the icons for minimize or close... but they dont work
• 2048[18:25:08] <Haohmaru> then it smells like the wm is.. gone
• 2049[18:25:43] <Haohmaru> log-out, then when you're at the login screen, there should be a button or selector to choose what session you wanna start
• 2050[18:26:07] <Haohmaru> there would be options like "LXDE" "Openbox" "default" "xfce4" "gnome" "blahblah"
• 2051[18:26:13] <Haohmaru> check which one is active
• 2052[18:26:35] <Haohmaru> and change it to lxde, see if things look normal then
• 2053[18:26:57] <Haohmaru> gotta go
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• 2161[19:22:44] <jhutchins_wk> ws2k3: Who built the system?
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• 2170[19:24:48] <johnfg_> hi folks!
• 2171[19:24:57] <ub3g33k> ws2k3: replaced-url
• 2172[19:25:02] <johnfg_> Just did the latest upgrade with np.
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• 2174[19:25:31] <johnfg_> However, one message was up that I don't understand (although I've researched it a bit). It follows:
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• 2176[19:26:04] <johnfg_> Failed to check for processor microcode upgrades.
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• 2178[19:26:50] <johnfg_> Of course if there is any microcode update for this AMD cpu, I'd like to install it, but not finding much about it.
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• 2180[19:27:08] <johnfg_> I know what I've got through a cat /proc/cpuinfo.
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• 2182[19:27:17] <greycat> ,info amd64-microcode
• 2183[19:27:18] <judd> Package amd64-microcode (non-free/admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs. Version: 3.20181128.1; Size: 34.3k; Installed: 75k
• 2184[19:28:47] <johnfg_> greycat: Thanks. Both amd64-microcode and the intel-microcode are installed.
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• 2195[19:32:36] <johnfg_> Any reason why after `Scanning processor microcode...`, I still got the error about the failure to check?
• 2196[19:32:50] <greycat> I have no idea what command you're even running.
• 2197[19:32:59] <johnfg_> greycat: apt upgrade.
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• 2199[19:33:19] <johnfg_> It's "being run", not me running it.
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• 2201[19:33:36] <greycat> wut
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• 2205[19:34:10] <jelly> !bat
• 2206[19:34:10] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2207[19:34:29] <greycat> I googled 'debian "scanning processor microcode"' and the results say it comes from a command called "needrestart".
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• 2209[19:34:51] <jelly> johnfg_: is needrestart installed?
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• 2212[19:35:27] <johnfg_> jelly: I'll check and see. It may be installed,automatic, like that other greycat referred to.
• 2213[19:35:33] <jelly> greycat: the thing hooks to apt and tries to figure out if any services need restarting after patching.
• 2214[19:36:02] <johnfg_> Yes, it and needrestart-session both installed.
• 2215[19:36:04] <jelly> it also checks for outdated kernels being run, and I guess it now also tries to check for outdated cpu microcode.
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• 2219[19:36:40] <johnfg_> jelly: Any thoughts as to why it "tries" but does not succeed?
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• 2223[19:37:21] <jelly> johnfg_: if you show complete output from an apt run, we might try to guess whether this message really comes from needrestart.
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• 2225[19:38:01] <jelly> johnfg_: needrestart basically does educated guesses, it's not 100% foolproof and very likely not 100% bugless.
• 2226[19:38:08] <greycat> but "it" (whatever "it" is), is "being run", though he can't tell us anything more, presumably because the space weasels will eat his soul if he tells us what he bloody TYPED
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• 2228[19:38:26] <jelly> he typed apt upgrade and then... things happened!
• 2229[19:38:31] <jelly> AFAICT
• 2230[19:38:43] <jelly> so... !bat
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• 2233[19:39:10] <greycat> He said he was running apt upgrade, but then he recanted, and said he wasn't actually running "it" (whatever "it" is), but rather, something was running something...
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• 2235[19:39:14] <greycat> all very frustrating
• 2236[19:39:38] <greycat> Also, he started out by saying he was using something called "np" and I have *NO* idea what that means.
• 2237[19:39:48] <jelly> johnfg_: are you able to pastebin the command line and full output?
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• 2239[19:40:37] <jelly> greycat: I read that as " Just did the latest upgrade with [no problems.] "
• 2240[19:41:44] <johnfg_> greycat: I did tell you, but you didn't get my syntax, using the passive voice. I first ran 'apt update', told me there were 19 updates. Next I ran 'apt upgrade'. 'apt upgrade' ran whatever program output, "Scanning processor microcode..."
• 2241[19:42:45] <johnfg_> i.e., whatever program, sent to standard error, or whatever, the mesg, "Scanning processor microcode..."
• 2242[19:43:09] <greycat> Almost certainly needrestart, and if you'd just pastebin the tty session as jelly asked, we could probably confirm it.
• 2243[19:43:22] <jelly> we'd like to see the whatever output. And the command before it.
• 2244[19:43:28] <jelly> the whatever is good.
• 2245[19:44:00] <johnfg_> the 'np' was just (for us here in Montana) "no problem".
• 2246[19:44:19] <jelly> dpkg -L needrestart | xargs grep 'Scanning processor microcode...'
• 2247[19:44:19] <dpkg> No packages found matching needrestart | xargs grep 'Scanning processor microcode...'
• 2248[19:44:45] <johnfg_> Yes, I can pastebin the cmd and output...
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• 2250[19:44:48] <jelly> /usr/share/perl5/NeedRestart/uCode.pm: $ui->progress_prep(scalar @PKGS, __ 'Scanning processor microcode...');
• 2251[19:44:54] <jelly> so yeah.
• 2252[19:45:44] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Does that install and run by default these days? I remember it was an option last I looked.
• 2253[19:46:00] <jelly> I do not know
• 2254[19:46:08] * jelly installs it voluntarily
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• 2258[19:47:08] <jelly> judd: why task-desktop needrestart
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• 2261[19:47:50] <judd> No dependency chain found between packages task-desktop and needrestart in buster/amd64.
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• 2269[19:50:26] <jelly> if a dependency chain existed, judd would say something like
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• 2272[19:52:50] <johnfg_> replaced-url
• 2273[19:53:12] <jelly> ,why task-kde-desktop kwin-x11
• 2274[19:53:56] <judd> Packages task-kde-desktop and kwin-x11 in buster/amd64 are linked by 2 chains: task-kde-desktop ▶ kde-standard ▶ kde-plasma-desktop ▷ kwin-x11; task-kde-desktop ▶ kde-standard ▶ kde-plasma-desktop ▶ plasma-desktop ▷ kwin-x11
• 2275[19:54:13] <jelly> johnfg_: everything from Scanning processes... onward is from needrestart.
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• 2277[19:54:29] <johnfg_> I guessed that might be the case.
• 2278[19:55:01] <jelly> the version in buster only has code for Intel CPUs.
• 2279[19:55:24] <jelly> or at least that's what package contents suggest
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• 2281[19:56:27] <johnfg_> jelly: The version of needrestart? Even though amd64-microcode is installed?
• 2282[19:56:38] <jelly> yes
• 2283[19:56:50] <johnfg_> So it's a bug then?
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• 2285[19:57:10] <johnfg_> If a lack is a bug.
• 2286[19:57:15] <jelly> if "not implemented yet" is a bug, yes
• 2287[19:57:28] <jelly> ,v needrestart
• 2288[19:57:29] <judd> Package: needrestart on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2-8+deb8u1; stretch: 2.11-3+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 3.4-5~bpo9+1; buster: 3.4-5; bullseye: 3.4-6; sid: 3.4-6
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• 2294[19:59:28] <johnfg_> Should I file a request/bug report?
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• 2297[20:01:02] <greycat> #886611
• 2298[20:01:03] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2301[20:02:15] <greycat> "I was able to add some microcode parsing for AMD (see also replaced-url
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• 2305[20:02:48] <johnfg_> greycat: Do I read judd's comment correctly that the bug #886611 was filed, but it's not fully resolved?
• 2306[20:03:01] <greycat> you could FUCKING READ IT
• 2307[20:03:13] <greycat> or no, wait, you won't read it because you have us slaves to go read shit for you
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• 2310[20:03:36] <johnfg_> greycat: I'm reading it now. No need to get nasty.
• 2311[20:04:09] <johnfg_> Did I say thanks for your help yet today? If not thanks to both you and jelly.
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• 2331[20:12:43] <johnfg_> The 3.4-5 version doesn't contain the fix. So, I emailed the author of it, and asked if he knew when it would be available.
• 2332[20:13:06] <quarkexpress> hye
• 2333[20:13:08] <greycat> "I was able to add some microcode parsing for AMD (see also replaced-url
• 2334[20:13:50] * jelly has a feeling of deja vu
• 2335[20:13:51] <johnfg_> 2 years ago (or at least 2018).
• 2336[20:13:55] <quarkexpress> i am asking to get info about debian worldwiide distrubutors to be
• 2337[20:14:38] <quarkexpress> ???
• 2338[20:14:51] <jelly> quarkexpress: what kind of info? Debian is usually distributed over the internet in digital form.
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• 2340[20:15:06] <quarkexpress> CD DVD form
• 2341[20:15:28] <jelly> physical media? Ok.
• 2342[20:15:43] <quarkexpress> okay right !
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• 2345[20:16:26] <jelly> quarkexpress: replaced-url
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• 2347[20:16:59] <quarkexpress> jelly i have done application by e mail because no response
• 2348[20:17:41] <ratrace> QuarkXPress ..... now that's a name I haven't heard in long, long time. The DPS, not the nick :)
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• 2350[20:17:43] <jelly> quarkexpress: which country?
• 2351[20:18:10] <quarkexpress> Turkey TR Istanbul
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• 2353[20:18:42] <jelly> if the ones close to you do not respond, maybe ask some of those people that are willing to ship internationally, like replaced-url
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• 2362[20:20:28] <quarkexpress> jelly thnx have a good day i'll talk with them bb
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• 2452[21:26:03] <Akuw> hi, what image viewer to open raw jpg images precision 12
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• 2467[21:35:10] <jhutchins_wk1> gimp can import normal jpg files. Several other "photo" viewers and editors can. No idea what you mean by "precision 12".
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• 2476[21:36:17] <ayekat> ... or what you mean with "raw jpeg"
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• 2481[21:38:28] <Akuw> i just need to open --> JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.01, aspect ratio, density 1x1, segment length 16, extended sequential, precision 12, 1936x1132, components 1
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• 2483[21:38:34] <jhutchins_wk> I think xfce uses ristretto.
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• 2486[21:40:54] <ayekat> Akuw: so... a JPEG file
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• 2488[21:41:05] <ayekat> any image viewer can open JPEG files these days
• 2489[21:41:08] <Akuw> yes but converted to 12 bits
• 2490[21:41:16] <Akuw> more data is in that file
• 2491[21:41:47] <ayekat> ah, I see
• 2492[21:42:16] <Akuw> actually gimp cant open
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• 2494[21:42:29] <Akuw> and digiKam neither
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• 2499[21:46:03] <ayekat> Akuw: have you tried with rawtherapee or darktable (or any other program that can handle RAW image data)?
• 2500[21:46:15] <ayekat> maybe they've got 12-bit jpeg support
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• 2502[21:46:44] <joepublic> what does imagemagick do with it
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• 2508[21:49:24] <Akuw> ayekat: let me see
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• 2511[21:49:47] <ayekat> alternatively, yeah, I guess imagemagick might be able to convert it to 8 bit
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• 2518[21:52:40] <joepublic> specifically, what does imagemagick's `display` command do with it
• 2519[21:52:45] <epsilon> if it's a raw image from cameras, did you try raw plugin for gimp?
• 2520[21:52:47] <Akuw> ayekat: but i want to open as 12 bits
• 2521[21:52:51] <Akuw> not convert
• 2522[21:52:59] <joepublic> I didn't say anything about convert, that was you
• 2523[21:53:05] <Akuw> ok
• 2524[21:53:19] <Akuw> RawTherape cant open
• 2525[21:53:21] <ayekat> Akuw: yes, you'd lose the additional information - hence the initial suggestion to use something that can handle raw image files
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• 2527[21:53:38] <Akuw> where can i get that plugin
• 2528[21:53:56] <ayekat> rawtherapee and darktable are programs on their own
• 2529[21:54:09] <greycat> "I have a file, I don't quite know what to do with it." First thing you use is file(1). Since it's an image, you can also use identify(1) from IM.
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• 2531[21:54:15] <ayekat> by the way, *if* I were to convert it, I'd probably rather convert it to TIFF or any other raw image format
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• 2533[21:55:03] <ayekat> I find it slightly weird to use a lossy image format for storing additional image information that most screens can't display anyway
• 2534[21:55:30] <greycat> If you still don't know how to handle it after reading the outputs of file(1) and identify(1), you post the ACTUAL FILE NAME, and the results from file and identify, and then you say what you're trying to do with it.
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• 2537[21:57:14] <jhutchins_wk> ayekat: Remember, even if you convert from lossy compression to full format, you won't get any of the missing data back.
• 2538[21:57:18] <Akuw> darktable cant open
• 2539[21:57:54] <ayekat> jhutchins_wk: yeah, the idea was more to convert from 12-bit jpeg to TIFF to at least have it in a format that programs can handle it
• 2540[21:58:13] <ayekat> jhutchins_wk: but I agree with you otherwise
• 2541[21:58:57] <jhutchins_wk> Ok, read a bit more of the scrollbuffer. Raw data in a jpeg is extremely rare.
• 2542[22:00:29] <ayekat> it's remarkably odd IMHO
• 2543[22:00:33] <ayekat> but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 2544[22:01:00] <jhutchins_wk> Standards. There are so many to choose from!
• 2545[22:01:18] <ayekat> let's invent one to replace them all!
• 2546[22:01:28] <Akuw> imagemagick then
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• 2550[22:03:30] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2551[22:03:34] <Akuw> i installed imagemagick but cant run using magick, command not found
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• 2555[22:04:06] <joepublic> as i mentioned, the command here is "display"
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• 2557[22:04:31] <EdePopede> Akuw: freeware only, but there's XnViewMP. says it handles 500 formats. being the successor of xnview classic which i only looked at on linux years ago, but never used in my windows days since there was irfanview (wine maybe?) with tons of plugins. just in case.
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• 2559[22:05:11] <Akuw> EdePopede: its is on debian repo?
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• 2561[22:05:27] <EdePopede> akuw: nope, that's why "just in case"
• 2562[22:05:54] <ayekat> Akuw: so what does `display` do?
• 2563[22:05:56] <Akuw> ok
• 2564[22:05:57] <EdePopede> hm, what's the case with graphicsmagick? iirc there was a problem with IM's license in the past?
• 2565[22:06:33] <EdePopede> had the friendly command `gm` so i didn't have to remember them all :D
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• 2567[22:07:18] <ayekat> ah yes, `gm <TAB>` ^^
• 2568[22:08:36] <Akuw> ayekat: cant open file
• 2569[22:08:56] <ayekat> Akuw: what's the full error message?
• 2570[22:09:00] <Akuw> display ABCFD.jpg
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• 2572[22:09:25] <Akuw> Unsupported JPEG data precision 12
• 2573[22:11:17] <Akuw> WIKIPEDIA SAYS: There are also many medical imaging, traffic and camera applications that create and process 12-bit JPEG images both grayscale and color. 12-bit JPEG format is included in an Extended part of the JPEG specification. The libjpeg codec supports 12-bit JPEG and there even exists a high-performance version.
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• 2586[22:18:56] <ayekat> from what I can see, libjpeg-turbo does not support 12-bit jpeg - the original libjpeg itself, though, appears to support it
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• 2592[22:21:16] <ayekat> the availability of libjpeg on debian is interesting... but if you feel adventurous, you could try libjpeg-tools from testing
• 2593[22:21:50] <ayekat> Akuw_: ^
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• 2595[22:22:05] <greycat> ,v libjpeg-tools
• 2596[22:22:06] <judd> Package: libjpeg-tools on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.0~git20190821.87636f3b26b4-1.1; sid: 0.0~git20190821.87636f3b26b4-1.1
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• 2598[22:22:20] <greycat> weird.
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• 2605[22:25:48] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2608[22:26:54] <ayekat> "NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT CONFORMING TO REC. ITU-T T.81 | ISO/IEC 10918 BUT COMPLIANT TO REC. ITU-T T.87 | ISO/IEC 14495-1 (JPEG-LS) WHICH IS A DIFFERENT STANDARD." - ah well... I just feel very stupid
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• 2618[22:31:54] <giaco> hello! I have multiarch related question + question on how dkms works. Long story short, I want to install wireguard on raspberry pi zero, that is armhf. I do see that many guides points to enabling debian armhf testing repo at low priority and install wireguard from there, but those guides (like this:
• 2619[22:31:56] <giaco> replaced-url
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• 2623[22:32:52] <giaco> I mean, shouldn't apt install wireguard-dkms compile it for me?
• 2624[22:33:02] <giaco> and keep it updated on kernel changes?
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• 2626[22:34:31] <giaco> I'm talking about this package here replaced-url
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• 2631[22:38:43] <tomreyn> i guess chances are it won't build cleanly then
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• 2634[22:39:13] <tomreyn> or maybe it builds fine but loading the module will fail
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• 2644[22:47:20] <giaco> tomreyn: I'm not following you. Isn't dkms == *built from source* ?
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• 2646[22:47:44] <giaco> gcc defaults in raspbian are ok to build for all the raspberry family
• 2647[22:47:49] <greycat> dkms is for building KERNEL MODULES from source, using the kernel-header-* packages currently installed
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• 2649[22:48:21] <giaco> greycat: wireguard is a kernel module
• 2650[22:48:27] <greycat> ah, I guess it's linux-headers-*
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• 2653[22:49:12] <giaco> also, that also in installed in raspbian. it is not called linux-headers-*, but raspberry-headers-*something*, but it is there and I'm already compiling kernel modules manually
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• 2655[22:49:28] <greycat> So it's raspbian? There's a channel for that.
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• 2662[22:51:15] <giaco> greycat: I was just asking here how dkms works in debian, there's no point in redirecting without valid reason after explaining the context
• 2663[22:52:28] <joepublic> well, there is a point actually
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• 2666[22:54:12] <giaco> maybe what you are trying to say is that wireguard-dkms debian package contains patched source code that won't compile correctly on debian armhf on raspberry zero cpu?
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• 2669[22:55:00] <greycat> No, what I'm trying to say is that you're running Raspbian, so you should be asking in the Raspbian channel, which is where all the Raspbian users are, you know, the ones who might actually know the answers to your questions.
• 2670[22:56:14] <teksimian> i delete a lvm snapshot using lvm remove but didnt gain any free space.
• 2671[22:56:17] <giaco> guess what, raspbian users wants me to ask debian people about a package in debian repos (and I agree with that)
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• 2673[22:56:38] <greycat> You're trying to MIX DISTRIBUTIONS?! Nobody will support that.
• 2674[22:56:45] <greycat> Have a nice day.
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• 2679[22:57:51] <giaco> wow, rage quit. I didn't know that asking about how dkms works would start a distro war
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• 2681[22:59:55] <tomreyn> i wouldn't call someone leaving with "cause I'm cute and furry" a rage quitter
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• 2685[23:00:54] <tomreyn> (nor someone leaving with "have a nice day")
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• 2695[23:05:36] <giaco> tomreyn: oh, you're right, it was just an exceptional rapid sequence of events that I couldn't follow
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• 2704[23:07:08] <giaco> back on topic, I'm quite sorry for what happened, but yet I'm still interested (it's more a curiosity) to understand what could possible end up as that witha dkms package
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• 2716[23:16:57] <joepublic> dpkg, tell giaco about based on debian
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• 2725[23:26:03] <TimMc> teksimian: Was it a recent snapshot? They're copy-on-write, so snapshots only take up extra room as the FS starts to diverge from the snapshot.
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• 2734[23:40:33] <teksimian> TimMc: super old, maybe dist upgrades since
• 2735[23:40:41] <teksimian> *many
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• 2742[23:46:40] <kreyren> How can i fix this on debian? replaced-url
• 2743[23:46:52] <kreyren> where vagrant-libvirt package is installed
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• 2758[23:51:17] <mr_ab> Uhm, so I broke my debian =)
• 2759[23:51:40] <mr_ab> ... I had a md array ad /dev/md0, .. with sda1 and sdb1, and on top of /dev/md0 was a lvm array
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• 2761[23:53:10] <mr_ab> Sooo I needed the disk space so I just removed sdb1 and created a new mdadm array with it, md1, ... but now i can't boot? ... grub says "Error: symbol 'grub_file_filters' not found" ... I can even see the partitions fine from grub if I 'ls' em. But I cannot boot. Anything like 'insmod normal' just kicks back that same error.
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• 2768[23:54:42] <mr_ab> And searching really only turns up a bunch of crappy results from people using ubuntu like "zomg this is broke! .. oh nvm thx!" .. can't find any kinda documentation or shred of actual anything that even gives a hint as to what is going on. All I have is a TAILS USB I've booted into here as well .. and again I can reassemble the mdadm + lvm
• 2769[23:54:43] <mr_ab> arrays fine and access my data -- it's there .. it's just obviously trying to boot the wrong .. something
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