• 0[00:00:02] <cheapie> I should still be able to run sid on a Duron, right? It was only the K6 family and earlier (on the AMD side) that Debian no longer supports?
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• 3[00:00:52] <aloo_shu> I mean I'd be capable of ignoring the frankendebian warning myself, but so far, I never have, and I suppose it's there for good reason. I'd always go the -backports and -backports-sloppy way first. There's a single out of distro pkg I have installed a few times, but that as a bundle in /opt, and with a wrapper to prepend a custom path to custom libs
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• 6[00:01:49] <gunchyo> i'd really rather not reinstall
• 7[00:02:10] <gunchyo> well apparently I need to install x11 for some reason if I try to upgrade everything
• 8[00:02:29] <independent> try this:
• 9[00:02:40] <independent> dpkg --force-all --configure -a
• 10[00:02:41] <dpkg> independent: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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• 12[00:03:34] <gunchyo> independent, I feel like that's definitely going to break a lot of sutff
• 13[00:03:35] <gunchyo> stuff
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• 15[00:03:48] <independent> or # cd /var/cache/apt/archives && sudo dpkg --force-all -G -E -i *.deb
• 16[00:04:22] <aloo_shu> gunchyo: I mean, by sorting out what pkgs you're having from where, and selectively getting rid of a few, you're possibly on the good track
• 17[00:04:22] <independent> im running fully unstable and i needed that command to fully install all packages
• 18[00:04:44] <gunchyo> aloo_shu, to switch to unstable?
• 19[00:04:52] <gunchyo> or just return to a normal system
• 20[00:04:56] <aloo_shu> gunchyo: read what man dpkg has to say about --force-all
• 21[00:05:24] <gunchyo> !--force-all
• 22[00:05:29] <gunchyo> !force-all
• 23[00:05:29] <dpkg> You should never, ever have to use --force-all. If you are using unstable, and there are bugs in packages, you may need to use a specific --force option (ask me about <force-overwrite> or <confmiss>), but then you should use the precise --force option required. Using --force-depends and/or --force-conflicts is *ALWAYS* broken. Fix the offending packages or use <equivs> instead.
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• 25[00:06:11] <independent> u mean I should reinstall cyanogen mod (latest) and reinstall NetHunter ?
• 26[00:07:00] <independent> because its running fine as frankenstein build
• 27[00:07:07] <gunchyo> i think he's talking to me
• 28[00:07:09] <independent> oh
• 29[00:07:10] <aloo_shu> I meant the 'man' pages (man command) on your own computer, not dpkg, the bot, but they probably say the same
• 30[00:07:20] <gunchyo> man dpkg had nothing about force-all
• 31[00:08:00] <gunchyo> finding which packages are from what is not easy
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• 33[00:08:11] <cheapie> gunchyo: dpkg --force-help
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• 36[00:08:28] <cheapie> Read the warning at the bottom, at least :P
• 37[00:08:43] <gunchyo> oh
• 38[00:08:50] <gunchyo> apt list --installed
• 39[00:08:54] <cheapie> "WARNING - use of options marked [!] can seriously damage your installation."
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• 41[00:09:58] <gunchyo> so it looks like any package without stable,now beside it isn't from stable
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• 43[00:10:35] <independent> well I have used --force-all and my frankenstein build is qorking fine, I have no dependencies failure
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• 47[00:11:57] <aloo_shu> gunchyo: that and a bit of grepping should give you an idea of what's from where, note that stable, testing, unstable may be called jessie, buster etc
• 48[00:12:06] <gunchyo> apt list --installed | grep -v "stable"
• 49[00:12:28] <gunchyo> and im ignoring kernels since those are from backports
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• 51[00:12:40] <aloo_shu> independent: had you ever started out with stable on your kali-frankie?
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• 54[00:13:37] <gunchyo> libc6/now 2.27-3 amd64 [installed,local]
• 55[00:13:44] <gunchyo> so I'm already running testing then...
• 56[00:13:54] <independent> I have started from kali-sana and upgraded to kali-rolling and added debian unstable
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• 59[00:15:13] <aloo_shu> then kali-rolling is proving nicely robust
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• 63[00:16:04] <didi> Are we at freeze time yet?
• 64[00:16:25] <independent> replaced-url
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• 67[00:17:11] <aloo_shu> gunchyo: backing up would look like a very wise idea
• 68[00:17:19] <gunchyo> why
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• 72[00:17:28] <gunchyo> it's run like this for months
• 73[00:17:42] <gunchyo> i have backups but just, do you mean in reference to upgrading to testing
• 74[00:18:39] <David_Hedlund> Why is not Microsoft .NET Core or ASP.NET Core packaged for any distribution (I don't use it myself but I'm curious)? ASP.NET Core is distributed under Apache 2.0. - replaced-url
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• 76[00:19:40] <aloo_shu> sure, but if you want to do blanket upgrades and --force-things, it might get stuck. Not saying independent is telling complete bs, but your two scenarios may be different
• 77[00:19:47] <gunchyo> I think they are
• 78[00:19:56] <gunchyo> im not forcing anything, nor doing entirely blanket upgrades
• 79[00:20:03] <gunchyo> i changed my sources.list to testing
• 80[00:20:23] <gunchyo> ran update && upgrade and checked what was gonna be upgraded
• 81[00:20:32] <cheapie> David_Hedlund: Has there been any interest in it?
• 82[00:21:08] <EdePopede> !.net
• 83[00:21:08] <dpkg> When .NET system goes online, human decisions are removed from the office environment. It contains Application Center 2000, SQL server 2000, Exchange 2000, Host Integration Server 2000, BizTalk 2000, Commerce Server 2000. They seperate every single bit of simple operation into many buzzword-servers. Don't you hate your money?
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• 85[00:21:43] <aloo_shu> oh you did that, gunchyo - as a dry run or for real?
• 86[00:21:49] <gunchyo> nothing
• 87[00:21:53] <gunchyo> I just said no to installing
• 88[00:21:56] <gunchyo> i don't even trust the dry-run
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• 93[00:25:06] <David_Hedlund> cheapie: Yes.
• 94[00:25:34] <cheapie> David_Hedlund: Well, then maybe you should package it or find someone else who wants to :)
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• 97[00:28:01] <gunchyo> guess you can't remove developer packages then without removing build-essential
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• 101[00:29:51] <aloo_shu> I've never gone from one version to the next myself, partly because I have a bad connection - I typically get a fresh install medium when I'm somewhere with good connectivity, install & migrate files, better asj somebody more experienced; but afaik, you've got to go version by version, can't jump, and have to throw in a dist-upgrade at some point
• 102[00:30:10] <aloo_shu> *ask
• 103[00:30:16] <gunchyo> dist-upgrade wants to install X11 though
• 104[00:30:18] <gunchyo> which makes no sense
• 105[00:30:23] <gunchyo> this is a headless server
• 106[00:31:31] <gunchyo> what do you mean "go version by version"?
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• 108[00:32:13] <independent> jessie to stretch, stretch to unstable
• 109[00:32:16] <independent> i guess hes daying
• 110[00:32:20] <independent> saying*
• 111[00:32:27] <gunchyo> so you can't do stretch to testing?
• 112[00:32:59] <independent> Im not sure but testing has same packages as unstable
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• 114[00:35:06] <independent> unstable packages are release candidates for current distro (stretch)
• 115[00:35:12] <independent> im not sure about that either
• 116[00:35:27] <CrystalMath> hi
• 117[00:35:34] <CrystalMath> dget won't check the signature
• 118[00:35:44] <CrystalMath> it says there's no public key
• 119[00:35:53] <independent> debian-keyring
• 120[00:35:54] <CrystalMath> but debian-keyring is installed
• 121[00:35:59] <CrystalMath> it's installed
• 122[00:35:59] <aloo_shu> exactly, or oldoldstable to stable - again, no idea if somebody has managed to get away with it, using --force-all and --jesus-help-me, but it's not recommended, of that I'm sure
• 123[00:36:13] <gunchyo> no no no
• 124[00:36:18] <gunchyo> i am NOT using --force-all
• 125[00:36:24] <independent> I am
• 126[00:36:25] <gunchyo> just sudo apt-get upgrade
• 127[00:36:27] <gunchyo> oh sorry
• 128[00:36:32] <aloo_shu> replaced-url
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• 131[00:37:27] <independent> ive done this once I was using stretch and metamorphed it to kali-rolling all went well
• 132[00:37:46] <independent> not sure if i used --force-all that time
• 133[00:37:53] <gunchyo> ok, let's assume I upgrade to testing from stable
• 134[00:37:58] <gunchyo> can I go in and fix it manually?
• 135[00:38:08] <gunchyo> like remove broken packages or
• 136[00:38:26] <independent> you could use deborphan to remove unused packages
• 137[00:39:09] <independent> compile from source the broken packages
• 138[00:39:40] <independent> im not a linux expert but I know some things
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• 143[00:42:12] <aloo_shu> stable to testing should be possible in theory, and if yo don't have broken dependencies before, there's no reason why you should after - try an option called something like --no-install-recommends , maybe that'll get rid of the x11 pkg
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• 145[00:42:31] <CrystalMath> ah
• 146[00:42:38] <CrystalMath> maybe debian-keyring doesn't have THIS maintainer
• 147[00:42:42] <CrystalMath> because this is a sid package
• 148[00:43:01] <aloo_shu> i.e. 'don't treat recommends like dependencies', gunchyo
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• 151[00:44:49] <gunchyo> alright I've narrowed it down quite a bit
• 152[00:45:00] <gunchyo> there's a few packages that I forcefully wanted as testing a long time ago
• 153[00:45:14] <gunchyo> somehow libc and libc6 got upgraded to testing
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• 155[00:48:09] <aloo_shu> but it didn't give you any broken dependencies? i.e. all pkgs were happy to use the newer libs, not only in practice, but also officially, dependency-wise? then you ought to be lucky, my 2ct
• 156[00:48:46] <gunchyo> yes
• 157[00:48:55] <gunchyo> i've run with newer libc for a long time now
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• 167[00:57:43] <aloo_shu> gunchyo: here you go, seems like stable->testing follows a different procedure than oldstable->stable, for instance, i.e. by upgrade, not mandatory dist-upgrade replaced-url
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• 171[00:59:18] <aloo_shu> there are a few more details, e.g. repo lines to comment out, and the recommendation to check what's currently happening in -next aka testing
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• 194[01:13:21] <gunchyo> thanks aloo_shu
• 195[01:13:31] <gunchyo> i have to reboot to change what kernel I'm on
• 196[01:13:39] <aloo_shu> yw
• 197[01:13:48] <gunchyo> then I'll have to remove some extra testing packages i currently have installed
• 198[01:13:52] <gunchyo> and then I'll try doing upgrade
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• 201[01:14:07] <gunchyo> but not dist-upgrade
• 202[01:14:17] <gunchyo> I'll probably have to recompile some stuff
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• 228[01:36:00] <outoftime> LikWidChz: teamviewer?
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• 231[01:37:18] <EdePopede> !vnc
• 232[01:37:18] <dpkg> Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. replaced-url
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• 234[01:37:56] <LikWidChz> thanks, I actually stumbled upon that VNC application
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• 237[01:40:15] <gunchyo> remmina is good
• 238[01:40:22] <gunchyo> for a client
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• 242[01:41:26] <LikWidChz> any of you guys setup VNC before?... if you have replaced-url
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• 429[04:03:49] <Robr3rd> Is there any particular benefit to having _both_ of the following enabled in `/etc/locale.gen`: `en_US`, `en_US.UTF-8`?
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• 472[04:43:00] <jcb2016> i know its late but im trying to do something. i asked a couple of days ago and everyone had good suggestions but nothing worked. im trying to make a live usb bootable debian with presistant data. meaning i want to boot debian and be able to save stuff and exit and boot back up and my data saved. i wanna be able to do this so i can boot from any computer. is this possible?
• 473[04:44:35] <fling> jcb2016: just install to a flashdrive then.
• 474[04:44:40] <CarlFK> jcb2016: pretty sure I did this a long time ago - yeah, that.
• 475[04:45:01] <jcb2016> so install to a flash drive then put the bootloader on the flash drive right?
• 476[04:45:04] <fling> jcb2016: use it for /boot, /root, /home everything.
• 477[04:45:12] <fling> jcb2016: yes, grub goes to the flashdrive too.
• 478[04:45:20] <jcb2016> ok i will do that now
• 479[04:45:21] <jcb2016> thanks
• 480[04:45:30] <fling> jcb2016: tell us if it will work for you.
• 481[04:45:35] <jcb2016> i will
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• 489[04:52:41] <jcb2016> ok im back. im installing debian to the usb through virtualbox. when i reboot its going to need my firware drivers. can i save that on the usb then install when i boot into the new system?
• 490[04:53:04] <CarlFK> why through virtualbox ?
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• 493[04:54:54] <jcb2016> CarlFK, i booted the live desktop of debian before and it didn't have the wifi drivers or wifi ready to go like the firmware 3gig dvd does. was wondering if i can download the fiwmare package to the usb drive and reboot and install the tar or file i download to get the drivers
• 494[04:54:58] <jcb2016> if that makes any sense
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• 497[04:56:06] <CarlFK> that doesn't explain why you are using a VM
• 498[04:56:20] <jcb2016> CarlFK, safety in case something goes wrong :D
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• 502[04:58:56] <CarlFK> ah. well... um.. so yes that stuff you talk about is possible. no idea exactly what the steps are
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• 510[05:03:47] <jcb2016> i just installed the wrong iso. i wanted the dvd not the netinstall. when i reboot it won't have the wifi drivers i need
• 511[05:03:59] <jcb2016> oh well
• 512[05:06:11] <awal1> !firmware
• 513[05:06:11] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
• 514[05:06:29] <awal1> dpkg: installer firmware
• 515[05:06:29] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
• 516[05:06:47] <awal1> dpkg: firmware images
• 517[05:06:47] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
• 518[05:07:07] <awal1> jcb2016, check ^
• 519[05:09:28] <awal1> use the above image. they are genuine just like the standard ones.
• 520[05:11:22] <jcb2016> awal1, i have the 3gig dvd non-free debian. should i install the to the usb and boot and the firwmare should load?
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• 522[05:12:29] <awal1> if the firmware you need is available in non-free section yes
• 523[05:12:44] <jcb2016> ok let me stop this install
• 524[05:12:51] <awal1> check which firmware is first and verify if available
• 525[05:13:31] <jcb2016> awal1, its replaced-url
• 526[05:13:38] <jcb2016> i think that is in non-free
• 527[05:13:57] <awal1> yes
• 528[05:14:13] <jcb2016> how do you stop a install?
• 529[05:14:21] <jcb2016> im using the graphic install
• 530[05:16:44] <awal1> go back a few steps until you get cancel install or something like that
• 531[05:20:00] <jcb2016> thanks bbl
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• 537[05:31:14] <CarlFK> it's a VM. kill it.
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• 562[06:05:04] <sshTAPs> opengl 3.2 ; my system supports it. How do I properly install it, while using proprietary drivers? (my system does not support the FOSS drivers
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• 568[06:10:59] <sshTAPs> glxinfo # "couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig"
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• 570[06:13:25] <COOurb> heya
• 571[06:13:34] <COOurb> can anyone helps me with openvas?
• 572[06:13:56] <COOurb> I just installed it and already dead because of dozens of changes I need to do to run this stuff
• 573[06:14:21] <COOurb> also there are only tutorials for kali, for debian some outdated instructions
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• 579[06:21:43] <GumShoe> My debian stretch has been up for 60 days - that's when I installed it. I moved it to a new location - when it came up dns resolution wasn't working. I can temporairly fix it with an entry in /etc/resolv.conf but it's not persisted.
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• 581[06:22:10] <GumShoe> I tried /etc/systemd/resolv.conf adding nameservers. That didn't work.
• 582[06:22:24] <GumShoe> I also tried in /etc/network/interfaces
• 583[06:22:24] <COOurb> Do you use NetworkManager?
• 584[06:23:01] <GumShoe> yes
• 585[06:23:19] <OS-47540> Hi
• 586[06:23:22] <COOurb> so do not touch config files
• 587[06:23:34] <COOurb> use network manager interface
• 588[06:23:56] <COOurb> can you ping 8.8.8.8?
• 589[06:24:13] <GumShoe> I can ping by ip not by fqdn
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• 594[06:29:18] <GumShoe> nmcli enp1s0: unmanaged
• 595[06:29:44] <COOurb> sorry, i can't help you, because I deny NetworkManager
• 596[06:29:56] <GumShoe> ;-)
• 597[06:30:06] <GumShoe> What do you use
• 598[06:30:28] <GumShoe> Is there a default during installation?
• 599[06:31:12] <COOurb> I completely deleted NM and use bare files
• 600[06:31:31] <COOurb> because tehre no info about NM
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• 624[07:02:54] <Terrell> I want to ask an SSL/TLS (I think) question because I think it is likely someone here knows the answer right off the top of their head. In the past I ran 3 zones. 1) DMZ 2) my zone 3) the great unwashed zone. To do this I ran 3 cables from my firewall/router which was BTW OpenBSD. I am facing a cabling issue. I can't easily run any cables at all. Now this is for internet traffic. The bandwidth from _any_ ISP here in Calgary is pretty limited. That
• 625[07:02:54] <Terrell> is with the exception of SHAW who say they can run 600 Mbps over the old coax. And I do have unlit coax in the walls. q) can I tunnel? do I even have to? I would just set up (192.168.1.x/24) (192.168.2.x/24) (192.168.3.x/24) and run this over wifi configured as (192.168.x.x/16) Pardon my notation.. Its been a decade since I even looked at this.
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• 635[07:13:33] <Aussie_matt> hi guys, can anyone spare a few minutes to help me poke a hole in the firewall for a starman webserver app?
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• 648[07:25:54] <Tordek> hi, I just got a radeon graphics card and xorg is segfaulting after/during loading glamoregl
• 649[07:26:13] <Tordek> I purged nvidia, installed the firmware, and deleted xorg.conf
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• 686[07:57:14] <Pandya> Hi! I used Ubuntu for 5 years and recently switched to Debian GNU/Linux on my laptop and to Trisquel GNU/Linux-Libre on Desktop PC.
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• 689[07:59:17] <Pandya> I think if we can separate contrib and non-free from official repositories to unofficial repositories (like replaced-url
• 690[08:00:19] <Pandya> Is here anyone from Debian project team?
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• 693[08:02:05] <Terrell> I want to ask an SSL/TLS (I think) question because I think it is likely someone here knows the answer right off the top of their head. In the past I ran 3 zones. 1) DMZ 2) my zone 3) the great unwashed zone. To do this I ran 3 cables from my firewall/router which was BTW OpenBSD. I am facing a cabling issue. I can't easily run any cables at all. Now this is for internet traffic. The bandwidth from _any_ ISP here in Calgary is pretty limited. That
• 694[08:02:05] <Terrell> is with the exception of SHAW who say they can run 600 Mbps over the old coax. And I do have unlit coax in the walls. q) can I tunnel? do I even have to? I would just set up (192.168.1.x/24) (192.168.2.x/24) (192.168.3.x/24) and run this over wifi configured as (192.168.x.x/16) Pardon my notation.. Its been a decade since I even looked at this.
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• 696[08:02:45] <Terrell> soory I am half asleep. THis has nothing to do with encryption.. ITs a firewall question.
• 697[08:04:05] <Terrell> I want to ask a firewall question. In the past I ran 3 zones. 1) DMZ 2) my zone 3) the great unwashed zone. To do this I ran 3 cables from my firewall/router which was BTW OpenBSD. I am facing a cabling issue. I can't easily run any cables at all. Now this is for internet traffic. The bandwidth from _any_ ISP here in Calgary is pretty limited. That is with the exception of SHAW who say they can run 600 Mbps over the old coax. And I do have unlit
• 698[08:04:05] <Terrell> coax in the walls. q) can I tunnel? do I even have to? I would just set up (192.168.1.x/24) (192.168.2.x/24) (192.168.3.x/24) and run this over wifi configured as (192.168.x.x/16) Pardon my notation.. Its been a decade since I even looked at this.
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• 708[08:24:01] <anonymous83719> i upgraded to buster from stretch and now i can't boot except into rescue and my windows 10 dual boot won't boot
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• 711[08:26:34] <anonymous83719> the error i get in Debian is dell_smbios unable to run on non-dell system
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• 719[08:34:40] <sshTAPs> and yeah, my system is asus
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• 727[08:39:59] <sshTAPs> Terrell, wat, you can't run 600Mbps over coax
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• 748[08:57:51] <sshTAPs> lightdm won't start
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• 760[09:11:18] <Terrell> sshTAPs, Shaw says they can! I thought 225 and push a little to say 300 by allowing more errors.
• 761[09:12:18] <Terrell> sshTAPs, can you offer some advise on firewalling? Does my question even make sense?
• 762[09:12:55] <Terrell> can one even have more than one zone in wifi land?
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• 784[09:30:23] <sacarde> hi
• 785[09:30:51] <sacarde> which package include debian-installer ?
• 786[09:31:06] <rant> sacarde: none of them
• 787[09:31:43] <sacarde> if I run a debian-live iso, can I start installer from there?
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• 789[09:32:33] <rant> not exactly.. you can from the boot menu
• 790[09:32:44] <rant> I don't recommened it
• 791[09:32:50] <sacarde> only from there?
• 792[09:32:59] <rant> yes
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• 794[09:33:28] <rant> if at all possible I'd recommend using the netinstall or firmware-netinstall images not the live to install
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• 799[09:36:39] <rant> installing from the live media in my experience resulted in an install twice the normal size with thousands of extra language packs, language input and support tools..etc
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• 813[09:48:32] <sacarde> the installer binary, has a name?
• 814[09:48:58] <sacarde> like "ubiquity" for ubuntu
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• 852[10:19:37] <sacarde> debian installer is positioning into initrd?
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• 874[10:36:22] <wonderer> hi all
• 875[10:36:25] <zegil> sup
• 876[10:36:27] <wonderer> have deb 9.6
• 877[10:36:38] <zegil> upgrade bro to 9.8
• 878[10:36:47] <zegil> or better yet switch to testing, testing is great right now
• 879[10:36:54] <wonderer> an wondering quickest way to shift my site to start using mariadb and away< from mysql
• 880[10:37:05] <wonderer> yea i will next week
• 881[10:37:20] <zegil> oh if you're hosting a site on that debian installation keep it on stretch
• 882[10:37:24] <wonderer> i know its not mysql/mariadb chan
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• 884[10:37:43] <wonderer> ok thx for advise zegil
• 885[10:37:44] <zegil> I can't help with mysql/mariadb sorry man
• 886[10:37:55] <wonderer> no thx for pointer
• 887[10:38:22] <zegil> Yeah, testing is very stable. But for servers or whatever stable is always 100% recommended. Stability over everything
• 888[10:38:45] <zegil> Full freeze too right now which is great
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• 890[10:39:16] <zegil> no problmo
• 891[10:39:19] <zegil> problemo*
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• 894[10:42:06] <wonderer> thumbs up zegil :)
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• 896[10:42:56] <zegil> :)
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• 975[12:14:25] <AmatoriBiba> .
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• 977[12:15:06] <woky> Hello. How can I prevent dpkg scripts from auto-enabling services on package installs? I know I can disable auto-starting via /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d, but not how to disable auto-enabling.
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• 986[12:20:56] <jelly> woky: AFAIK nothing exists to help with that in a consistent automated manner
• 987[12:21:57] <jelly> if you know which service(s) a package is going to bring, you can eg. mask its systemd unit(s) in advance
• 988[12:22:35] <woky> jelly, I think this is the answer: replaced-url
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• 990[12:22:50] <woky> and systemd.preset(5)
• 991[12:23:05] <woky> if packages use deb-systemd-helper: replaced-url
• 992[12:23:32] <ralpheeee> is it possible to mount a UFS2 partition under debian?
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• 997[12:24:26] <jelly> woky: nice. Although there's a risk that might break things based on Debian's assumptions.
• 998[12:25:17] <woky> Agreed, I was thinking about something like 'disable *'. But for me it'll be enough to just disable Postfix that gets pulled as an unwanted dependency.
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• 1000[12:26:17] <themill> woky: out of interest, what's depending on postfix?
• 1001[12:26:35] <woky> themill, nagios4 in testing pulls it
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• 1003[12:26:58] <woky> (I'll be sending emails via other SMTP server)
• 1004[12:27:29] <themill> it only depends on mail-transport-agent that I can see, so install whatever MTA you want first and it should be fine
• 1005[12:27:45] <woky> Ah, got it, nice. Thank you. :)
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• 1007[12:28:20] <themill> (also slightly surprised it was pulling in postfix and not exim4)
• 1008[12:29:04] <jelly> ,v default-mta
• 1009[12:29:05] <judd> No package named 'default-mta' was found in amd64.
• 1010[12:29:24] <jelly> ,provides default-mta --release buster
• 1011[12:29:25] <judd> No package named 'default-mta' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1012[12:29:34] * jelly blinks
• 1013[12:29:44] <jelly> ,depends bsd-mailx --release buster
• 1014[12:29:45] <judd> Package bsd-mailx in buster/amd64 -- depends: base-files (>= 2.2.0), default-mta | mail-transport-agent, libbsd0 (>= 0.9.1), libc6 (>= 2.17), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0).
• 1015[12:30:35] <woky> Actually, sorry for misleading you. It's Ubuntu 18.10. I thought it's Debian but I switched to Ubuntu because teh cloud I'm using does not provide Debian testing out of box.
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• 1018[12:31:04] <woky> nagios4 is only in Debain testing and Ubuntu >= 18.10
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• 1021[12:31:41] <jelly> for a moment I thought Debian switched over to sanity and postfix as default mta
• 1022[12:31:50] <jelly> !spank woky
• 1023[12:31:50] * dpkg bends woky over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
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• 1025[12:32:37] <themill> ,rprovides default-mta --release buster
• 1026[12:32:39] <judd> Package default-mta in buster/amd64 is provided by: exim4-daemon-light.
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• 1030[12:35:26] <jim> a heads up is in order... Filystyn is threatening to come here to rant
• 1031[12:35:31] <jelly> wonderer: how did you install a mysql-server in the first place?
• 1032[12:36:15] <jim> his issue is something about the cd that installs xfce is not working somehow
• 1033[12:36:27] <jelly> jim: that's going to be hard to do considering he's permaforwarded to ##arguments
• 1034[12:36:54] <jim> oh, no wonder he didn't get here yet :)
• 1035[12:37:25] <jim> ok well carry on :)
• 1036[12:37:55] <jelly> jim: perhaps consider voicing your worries in #debian-ops or that other ops channel next time instead of the main one
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• 1039[12:41:55] <jim> ok, will do
• 1040[12:41:57] <warai_otoko> rock on, Debian community! <3
• 1041[12:43:06] <jim> we explained to him that whether or not the xfce installer cd works, the netinstall image has worked under a number of different conditions, pretty much every time
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• 1047[12:47:14] <jelly> sometimes I wonder how bad an idea would be having official packages that can only be built on sid or testing but binary-installed and available for stable. Looking at misc Go stuff.
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• 1145[14:11:30] <rant> FightingFalcon: maybe try asking in the channel for whatever distro you're using
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• 1147[14:11:55] <phogg> FightingFalcon: did you try: apt-cache search mbstring
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• 1149[14:12:12] <FightingFalcon> um let me try and see what happens
• 1150[14:12:42] <FightingFalcon> There is php7.0-mbstring ansd php-mbstring
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• 1152[14:13:04] <phogg> FightingFalcon: there you are, then
• 1153[14:13:30] <FightingFalcon> But i use php 7.2
• 1154[14:13:57] <phogg> FightingFalcon: where did you get php 7.2?
• 1155[14:14:12] <FightingFalcon> apt-get install?
• 1156[14:14:49] <themill> I don't think php 7.2 is anywhere in Debian
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• 1158[14:15:21] <phogg> FightingFalcon: I see 7.0 in stretch and 7.3 in buster. I don't see 7.2.
• 1159[14:15:26] <rant> hence why I mentioned talking about it in the channel for whatever distro they are using
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• 1161[14:15:54] <phogg> FightingFalcon: Whoever you got 7.2 from will provide mbstring for it, or if he doesn't you should complain about that--to him.
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• 1164[14:16:19] <FightingFalcon> OMG
• 1165[14:16:24] <FightingFalcon> i didnt get it from anyone
• 1166[14:16:33] <FightingFalcon> i only typed apt-get install php.72
• 1167[14:16:34] <phogg> FightingFalcon: you wrote it yourself?
• 1168[14:16:37] <FightingFalcon> YES
• 1169[14:16:55] <jelly> FightingFalcon: what does "apt-cache policy php7.2" say?
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• 1172[14:17:07] <phogg> FightingFalcon: apt-get will fetch the package from a repository. Which repository? It's not one of Debian's.
• 1173[14:17:25] <FightingFalcon> yes, i had to edit sources file i remember
• 1174[14:18:12] <phogg> FightingFalcon: There you are, then. You added some third party repository: go ask that third party about the packages it does or does not provide.
• 1175[14:19:14] <phogg> Or you could just use 7.3 from Debian. That seems likely to be better.
• 1176[14:19:36] <rant> surem if you are using debian and haven't already screwed it up badly
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• 1178[14:19:55] <jelly> if it's deb.sury.org, his build seems to provide the appropriate package for php7.2-mbstring
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• 1184[14:25:41] <phogg> jelly: I expect not or the apt-cache search I had him do would have found it.
• 1185[14:26:06] <phogg> Unless he subsequently removed the source, I guess.
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• 1195[14:34:39] <vorkosigan2019> I'm using apt over tor and since two days I can't connect. apt update output: replaced-url
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• 1205[14:41:04] <vorkosigan2019> sorry I had a disconnect and then trouble with NickServ. As said I am using tor+replaced-url
• 1206[14:41:23] <vorkosigan2019> apt error output replaced-url
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• 1210[14:42:32] <vorkosigan2019> APT via replaced-url
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• 1212[14:44:02] <milkt> vorkosigan2019: try "buster" instead of "testing"?
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• 1214[14:44:45] <themill> vorkosigan2019: that seems to work here. Is tor running and does anything else over tor work for you?
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• 1221[14:48:07] <rant> it may seem like testing and buster are interchangable but they're not, the two names exist for good reason
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• 1224[14:48:36] <rant> if you wish to track testing, you use "testing" if you plan to follow testing into stable, you use its code name
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• 1226[14:48:49] <themill> except neither would give a socks timeout error
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• 1232[14:49:00] <rant> buster will be releasing in the near future, someone who wants to keep using buster would want buster not testing
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• 1234[14:49:24] <rant> I'm just clarifying this point because I feel its bad advice to tell someone to switch it without more information
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• 1236[14:50:57] <themill> ack
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• 1266[15:18:00] <vorkosigan2019> themill: tor-browser works. I can also access the .onion address over it
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• 1268[15:18:30] <vorkosigan2019> rant, milkt: i am very happy with testing thank you. pulling testing via non-http worked fine
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• 1270[15:19:39] <vorkosigan2019> mitigation: not using tor. I have two config files: one for TOR and one for HTTP. Past-me was kind enough to have both at /etc/apt
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• 1291[15:38:52] <vorkosigan2019> Apt over arch still times outr. torbrowser-launcher works flawless. Any disagnostics I can do?
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• 1408[17:16:30] <independent> hi guys
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• 1414[17:19:09] <zChris> I cant find python3-evdev for stretch. How can i install it ?
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• 1430[17:29:43] <nkuttler> ,v python3-evdev
• 1431[17:29:43] <judd> Package: python3-evdev on amd64 -- sid: 1.1.2+dfsg-1; buster: 1.1.2+dfsg-1+b10
• 1432[17:29:59] <zChris> not available on stretch ?
• 1433[17:30:04] <nkuttler> yup
• 1434[17:30:11] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport python3-evdev
• 1435[17:30:13] <judd> Backporting package python3-evdev in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
• 1436[17:30:27] <nkuttler> you could build your own backport, or just pip install it i guess
• 1437[17:30:44] <zChris> i did pip3 install evdev but lutris does not recognize it it seems
• 1438[17:31:07] <nkuttler> what is lutris, and how did you install it?
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• 1440[17:31:31] <nkuttler> did you pip install into a virtualenv, or system-wide, or..?
• 1441[17:31:35] <zChris> i install it with apn. It is a program for games
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• 1443[17:31:51] <zChris> i dont know i just did sudo pip3 install evdev
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• 1449[17:35:24] <zChris> Is it common that user of debian uses sid instead of stable for desktop?
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• 1453[17:39:23] <wooden_> zChris: it depends on what your needs and objectives are. i need some newer packages than what you can find in stable and i'm not necessarily too concerned with reliability, so i have one of my desktop machines on sid.
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• 1455[17:39:31] <Furry_Kitty> Is it possible to implement SE Linux on Debian Stretch?
• 1456[17:39:57] <nkuttler> zChris: i use my desktop for work sometimes, so no sid there. but on the laptop, yeah
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• 1459[17:41:13] <zChris> I need to update python3.7 in order to get lutris to wrok
• 1460[17:41:15] <zChris> work*
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• 1501[18:01:15] <independent> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt dist-upgrade -y
• 1502[18:01:19] <independent> type that
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• 1527[18:18:11] <robtrino> hi
• 1528[18:18:41] <robtrino> can anyone give me advice on how I can map some incoming UDP data to a new ip address / subnet
• 1529[18:19:01] <robtrino> some applications I have refuse to read data that is not part of the subnet of the network interface
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• 1531[18:19:31] <robtrino> e.g. my interface has ip 192.168.1.24, but the incoming udp traffic is going on 172.31.24.255
• 1532[18:19:45] <robtrino> Im thinking I must map this traffic, or am I wrong?
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• 1645[19:23:53] <KdeKris> My hard drive is corrupting very quickly. I get dropped to initramfs on every boot and it says errors on /dev/sdb1, so I manually fsck /dev/sdb1, telling it yes to everything. Get booted. Still have issues. Go through the same process every reboot. I also get different glitches every time I boot.
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• 1647[19:24:42] <KdeKris> Is there a way to work around this and move stuff away from the corrupted sectors of the hdd to get some semblance of full functionality until I can afford a new hdd?
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• 1653[19:26:25] <KdeKris> I have no application manager or ability to access the toolbar at the moment, I was lucky to get a chromium window and this open before I lost those. I also have no ability to open terminal
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• 1661[19:33:25] <KdeKris> I'm also getting a lot of "Configuration file /home/me/.config/-stuff- not writable."
• 1662[19:33:44] <KdeKris> Where -stuff- is different depending on the activity I attempt.
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• 1670[19:38:19] <KdeKris> Now plasmashell stopped working, so I force killed it with the dialog that popped up. Still don't have terminal, so no way to restart it.
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• 1673[19:39:07] <KdeKris> My intention is not to spam, so I apologize for that. I'm just keeping a running log of events as I work through this, but doing it here in case anyone reads and gets any ideas to help.
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• 1676[19:40:38] <jhutchins> KdeKris: Modern drive hardware abstracts the physical disk in such a way that it's not practical to try to exclude bad sectors. If you are actually seeing an increase in bad blocks, it's time to shop for a new drive NOW. You may barely have time to recover your data before the drive fails completely.
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• 1679[19:41:18] <jhutchins> KdeKris: It's a good idea to install and run smartutils and watch dmesg and /var/log/syslog for errors there, but if you are seeing repeated instances of corruption it's time to replace.
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• 1681[19:41:40] <KdeKris> I'm aware, but can't afford a drive at the moment.
• 1682[19:41:49] <KdeKris> :(
• 1683[19:42:49] <KdeKris> It's not really a "modern" drive...as in, it's maybe ten years old. Recommissioned from old military laptops.
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• 1694[19:50:34] <indomitable> KdeKris, Maybe you triggered its killswitch
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• 1800[20:56:11] <jcb2016> hello i installed debian to a flashdrive w/ bootloader on the flash drive. i plug it into a computer boot and i just have a blinking cursor. happend on two computers. any ideas?
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• 1803[20:57:23] <indomitable> jcb2016, How did you install it? What operating system and application did you use for this purpose?
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• 1808[21:00:20] <jcb2016> indomitable, i installed it using the non-free dvd iso installed it to the flashdrive with bootloader the os is windows 10 and i installed regular apps on it that came with the installer
• 1809[21:01:22] <indomitable> What application did you use to put it on the flashdrive?
• 1810[21:01:36] <indomitable> And did you write it in .dd mode or in .iso mode?
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• 1812[21:01:53] <borh> hi
• 1813[21:01:57] <indomitable> hi
• 1814[21:02:15] <borh> I have some UDP multicast traffic on a router I am connected to
• 1815[21:02:37] <jcb2016> indomitable, what do you mean. i just went through the normal install, it installed whatever it installed. don't remember exactly what. should i have used a regular desktop iso and not the firmware 3gig dvd?
• 1816[21:02:39] <borh> its got a whole mess of multicast ip addresses, not even following the multicast standard allocation
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• 1819[21:03:13] <borh> is there any way I can map this traffic onto a new IP that will allow my applications to use the data under one standard subnet
• 1820[21:03:32] <borh> maybe this is something that firewalls can do?
• 1821[21:04:09] <indomitable> jcb2016, wat.
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• 1823[21:04:25] <indomitable> jcb2016, How did you install the image onto the flash drives?
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• 1825[21:04:44] <indomitable> borh, might have better luck in ##networking
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• 1828[21:06:53] <jcb2016> indomitable, burned the dvd to a disk booted it up. then installed it to the flash drive
• 1829[21:07:28] <indomitable> that's a pretty weird way of doing it, no familiarity with these weird things
• 1830[21:07:36] <jcb2016> dam
• 1831[21:09:02] <KdeKris> jcb2016, simply burning the disk image to a disk does not work to make it bootable. You need some kind of software method of burning a bootable iso file.
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• 1833[21:09:16] <KdeKris> What operating system are you currently booted into?
• 1834[21:09:22] <jcb2016> windows 10
• 1835[21:09:58] <indomitable> jcb2016, I recommend Rufus for burning images onto flash drives
• 1836[21:10:34] <KdeKris> I second Rufus
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• 1838[21:11:21] <jcb2016> so boot roofus then install it to the flashdrive?
• 1839[21:11:24] <jcb2016> oops
• 1840[21:11:43] <jcb2016> have rufus burn to a dvd then boot it then install to the flashdrive?
• 1841[21:11:55] <indomitable> ...no
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• 1843[21:12:04] <indomitable> In Windows 10, obtain Rufus, the fancy software.
• 1844[21:12:29] <indomitable> Make sure you have the .ISO available somewhere accessible to Windows 10. Start Rufus, select the device and image, and hit "start"
• 1845[21:12:36] <indomitable> If it asks you for downloading some extra files, accept
• 1846[21:12:44] <indomitable> (probably some outdated bootloadery stuff)
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• 1848[21:12:54] <indomitable> Then make sure your laptop is set to boot from flash
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• 1851[21:14:14] <KdeKris> jcb2016, don't take this the wrong way, but are you new to linux?
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• 1853[21:15:56] <jcb2016> KdeKris, been using debian in virtualbox for about 2 months. i was really good at linux about 6 years ago but i fell off the map. im slowing coming back into the secne
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• 1856[21:16:48] <jcb2016> virtualbox is a crutch i know. everything just works
• 1857[21:17:23] <KdeKris> I gotcha, seems about right though, just a little out of practice. Things have simplified a lot in six years.
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• 1871[21:22:18] <jcb2016> should i do the install again?
• 1872[21:22:43] <KdeKris> For those who saw my struggling earlier, I have a "stable" booting debian right now, however it won't be long before I won't be here much longer. I'm prepping to install Manjaro right now.
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• 1874[21:22:48] <KdeKris> jcb2016, yes
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• 1876[21:22:54] <jcb2016> ok
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• 1878[21:23:05] <indomitable> KdeKris, good luck with that
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• 1880[21:23:40] <jcb2016> KdeKris, why you installing majaro?
• 1881[21:24:23] <KdeKris> been wanting to try arch for a long time, feel like I'm finally ready. Just a little hesitant to dive into the deep end.
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• 1883[21:25:17] <indomitable> KdeKris, manjaro isn't arch
• 1884[21:25:27] <indomitable> the whole point of arch is that you customize literally everything to your own specifications
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• 1886[21:25:40] <indomitable> manjaro is just another gimmicky unstable arch
• 1887[21:25:41] <indomitable> lol
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• 1889[21:26:26] <KdeKris> My point of using it is to get used to the commands and the way it works somewhat differently than debian or ubuntu.
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• 1891[21:26:32] <borh> not sure what channel is good to discuss iptables and routing
• 1892[21:26:39] <KdeKris> Once I get the hang of it, I'll do the full switch
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• 1896[21:27:07] <KdeKris> borh #networking
• 1897[21:27:14] <KdeKris> ##networking
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• 1904[21:30:54] <indomitable> KdeKris, go full arch or don't go arch :P
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• 1906[21:31:03] <indomitable> you get none of the props and all of the hassle for going manjaro
• 1907[21:31:11] <jcb2016> i just booted up the debian live desktop and it has no newtowrking for wifi. how do i get this? can i use the firmware dvd that i burned to usb?
• 1908[21:31:30] <indomitable> why doesn't it have networking for wifi? o_O
• 1909[21:31:31] <indomitable> wtf
• 1910[21:31:37] <KdeKris> indomitable, why do you say manjaro is gimmicky and unstable? I've not seen anyone say the same anywhere.
• 1911[21:31:55] <KdeKris> jcb2016, is it an older pc?
• 1912[21:32:35] <indomitable> KdeKris, every attempt I've made at installing it has failed horribly on every computer I've tried it
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• 1915[21:32:42] <indomitable> I literally have an easier time manually doing Arch
• 1916[21:32:43] <indomitable> lol
• 1917[21:32:55] <indomitable> maybe they fixed those issues, I don't know, I haven't touched it since I tried last
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• 1921[21:34:23] <KdeKris> My biggest issue with jumping straight to arch is not knowing the system functionality.
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• 1926[21:35:39] <indomitable> KdeKris, like what
• 1927[21:35:47] <indomitable> honestly arch generally has better driver support etc than debian
• 1928[21:35:47] <indomitable> lol
• 1929[21:35:52] <KdeKris> package manager mostly
• 1930[21:35:56] <indomitable> pacman is great
• 1931[21:35:59] <indomitable> it has built-in pacman
• 1932[21:36:07] <indomitable> pacman -Syu iirc
• 1933[21:36:13] <indomitable> wham bam thank you ma'am
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• 1936[21:36:27] <indomitable> doesn't manjaro use pacman? o_O
• 1937[21:36:34] <KdeKris> wouldn't manjaro use the same pacman?
• 1938[21:36:41] <indomitable> probably
• 1939[21:36:50] <indomitable> like I said I always had trouble with manjaro
• 1940[21:36:56] <indomitable> arch just worked every time I didn't fuck up the partitioning and such
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• 1948[21:38:45] <KdeKris> so, my best bet is to just install arch, get wifi working, then grab a de?
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• 1951[21:38:58] <KdeKris> That's another confusion I have, is the installation process
• 1952[21:39:14] <KdeKris> Maybe I should jump over to #arch or so?
• 1953[21:39:17] <indomitable> I would preferably use ethernet for an install of arch :P
• 1954[21:39:22] <indomitable> maybe
• 1955[21:39:33] <indomitable> or try manjaro if you want, maybe I had a weird issue
• 1956[21:39:42] <indomitable> for me arch was about learning how stuff worked properly in linux
• 1957[21:39:45] <indomitable> how to build your own shiny thing
• 1958[21:39:50] <indomitable> there are good wikis
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• 1961[21:40:37] <KdeKris> I think I'll just go read the wiki a LOT before I go asking dumb questions in #arch.
• 1962[21:40:59] <jcb2016> KdeKris, not a older pc. im trying to get the firmware installed while booted up with the live debian. is this possible?
• 1963[21:41:20] <indomitable> KdeKris, maybe do this on a vm first?
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• 1965[21:41:47] <KdeKris> jcb2016, if you have an internet connection, sure. "sudo apt install linux-firmware-nonfree"
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• 1967[21:41:59] <KdeKris> or maybe it's firmware-linux-nonfree
• 1968[21:42:00] <jcb2016> KdeKris, i don't have any wifi and no ethernet cable.
• 1969[21:42:24] <KdeKris> need to install the additional firmware during OS installation.
• 1970[21:43:00] <jcb2016> its a live image thats booted up can i install or insert the dvd with firmware and install from there?
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• 1972[21:43:11] <KdeKris> indomitable, my problem is I need something fast, as I just ran "sudo badblocks -v /dev/sdb1" and came back with 14 bad blocks on my drive.
• 1973[21:43:38] <indomitable> /:
• 1974[21:43:52] <KdeKris> jcb2016, since you're booted to the live image, just run the installer to where you want to install the debian os, and tell it to install the firmware during the process.
• 1975[21:44:33] <jcb2016> KdeKris, dosen't the installer need internet?
• 1976[21:44:33] <KdeKris> indomitable, granted, that's 14 out of 248143871 blocks, but it's 14 to many.
• 1977[21:44:45] <KdeKris> jcb2016, no.
• 1978[21:44:48] <jcb2016> oh
• 1979[21:44:52] <indomitable> Is it an SSD?
• 1980[21:44:52] <indomitable> lol
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• 1982[21:45:13] <KdeKris> indomitable, unfortunately, no. Just a 2.5in form factor hdd.
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• 1984[21:45:47] <indomitable> maybe time for an upgrade
• 1985[21:45:50] <jcb2016> KdeKris, the live dvd dosen't have an installer its just the desktop there is an option though if i reboot to do install and not use the live desktop
• 1986[21:45:59] <indomitable> paid $35 bucks for a 240 gb ssd recently
• 1987[21:46:19] <KdeKris> indomitable, Yeah, I'm gonna need a lot more than 240gb.
• 1988[21:46:30] <rander2> hello
• 1989[21:46:30] <KdeKris> I need 500+ at least
• 1990[21:47:24] <zChris> get a cheap mechanical
• 1991[21:47:34] <KdeKris> jcb2016, do that then. However, every live dvd or usb I've ever used has an installer built in.
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• 1993[21:47:48] <jcb2016> ubuntu has it
• 1994[21:48:06] <KdeKris> My debian live usb had it when I installed last year.
• 1995[21:48:18] <KdeKris> booted live, had an icon on the desktop to install.
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• 1997[21:48:49] <rander2> I'm studing the file /etc/aliases , it's a exim o smtp alias file. But when I send a mail to a alias in /etc/aliases , I don't receive nothing. I'm using 8.11 on vps.
• 1998[21:48:54] <KdeKris> zChris, I'm hunting newegg right now.
• 1999[21:48:59] <CarlFK> no one needs 500 ;)
• 2000[21:49:34] <rander2> with normal users, the mails comes well, why this comportament ?
• 2001[21:49:44] <KdeKris> I have STACKS of files that I need to keep, plus steam games.
• 2002[21:50:04] <jcb2016> KdeKris, is your bios uefi. i remember reading smoehwere that the debian live desktop versions can't install to uefi computers
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• 2004[21:50:18] <CarlFK> also, I think all spinny disks, and maybe SSDs and whatever that thumb drive thing is, have bad blocks out the door, and then algorithms? to work around them
• 2005[21:51:01] <KdeKris> jcb2016, it is uefi...
• 2006[21:51:07] <KdeKris> and debian is installed.
• 2007[21:51:08] <jcb2016> hmm
• 2008[21:51:17] <jcb2016> KdeKris, do you know what iso you used?
• 2009[21:51:52] <KdeKris> CarlFK, maybe there's a way to make the os ignore the bad blocks and not attempt to write to them?
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• 2011[21:52:08] <KdeKris> jcb2016, let me get you a link to the disk image I used.
• 2012[21:52:20] <jcb2016> ok
• 2013[21:53:18] <rander2> this file /etc/aliases is from default installation, I never modified it.
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• 2017[21:54:34] <KdeKris> jcb2016, What kind of system you on? 64bit?
• 2018[21:54:44] <jcb2016> 64bit
• 2019[21:55:05] <KdeKris> arm64, amd64,
• 2020[21:55:06] <KdeKris> ?
• 2021[21:55:13] <jcb2016> amd64
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• 2026[21:56:33] <KdeKris> jcb2016 torrent image or non torrent?
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• 2028[21:57:11] <KdeKris> as in, your preferred download method?
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• 2032[21:59:09] <KdeKris> Also, general question for all, Western Digital or Seagate hdd?
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• 2035[22:00:35] <CarlFK> man e2fsck If any bad blocks are found, they are added to the bad block inode to prevent them from being allocated to a file or directory.
• 2036[22:01:02] <KdeKris> gotcha, thanks CarlFK
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• 2040[22:02:34] <KdeKris> jcb2016, replaced-url
• 2041[22:02:40] <CarlFK> KdeKris: pretty sure that's the default
• 2042[22:02:50] <KdeKris> Should open a browser and directly download the iso you need
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• 2044[22:03:08] <KdeKris> CarlFK, yeah, the man page came right up.
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• 2064[22:11:35] <KdeKris> CarlFK. Looks like I have to unmount the partition in order to run e2fsck and ignore/remove/fix the bad blocks. Problem is, I'm booted into it at the moment. Gonna have to write a live usb.lol
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• 2067[22:11:57] <CarlFK> KdeKris: it may already be in effect
• 2068[22:12:15] <KdeKris> The e2fsck fix? How so?
• 2069[22:12:28] <CarlFK> KdeKris: like I'm pretty sure as bad blocks are detected, they get dealt with
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• 2071[22:13:31] <KdeKris> Hopefully, I'm still getting errors of certain directories being read only and unable to perform certain tasks because of this.
• 2072[22:13:33] <CarlFK> I know there are like 2 or 3 'things' managing this - like the disk itself has firmware that tracks and does stuff. look into what all SMART is and does
• 2073[22:13:40] <jcb2016> KdeKris, i have that iso and burned it to a cd. there is no installer in there. there are bootoptions though. 1. run desktop live mode 2. graphic installer 3. installer which should i choose?
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• 2075[22:14:02] <KdeKris> run the graphic installer
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• 2077[22:14:29] <jcb2016> ok
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• 2079[22:15:25] <KdeKris> SMART may the reason I keep getting the initramfs prompt at boot and have to fsck the disk before it boots.
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• 2091[22:24:11] <KdeKris> Seems the file system has booted as read only in order to prevent writing to the bad sectors.
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• 2096[22:26:56] <jcb2016> KdeKris, so this is what i did. i burned the iso to a dvd. booted it up went to grpahic installer. it looked for wifi but it is missing the firmware it said i can load it with a usb or a dvd or something. any ideas?
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• 2099[22:27:26] <KdeKris> With that image, you shouldn't need internet to install the os
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• 2101[22:28:07] <KdeKris> So you should be able to skip that step entirely.
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• 2201[23:38:42] <Tordek> hi, I just got a radeon graphics card and xorg is segfaulting after/during loading glamoregl
• 2202[23:38:45] <Tordek> I purged nvidia, installed the firmware, and deleted xorg.conf
• 2203[23:38:53] <Tordek> I'm on "mostly stretch"
• 2204[23:40:07] <Tordek> also no packages seem to exist containing glamor in the name, since the first thing I thought of was to update that package
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• 2208[23:41:39] <Tordek> the last line in xorg.0.log mentions a segfault on 0x0
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• 2210[23:42:47] <simpledat> What encryption does it use when you do LVM disk encryption during install?
• 2211[23:42:48] <simpledat> luks?
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• 2228[23:55:58] <peylight> Any job offer for Debian Sysadmin / DevOps ?
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