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13[00:07:38] <war9407> jelly: that was it, enabled all of that stuff, good now, ty
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32[00:16:39] <Lady_Aleena> Will sudo apt-get purge iceweasel affect firefox and firefox-esr?
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41[00:18:49] <rudi_s> Lady_Aleena: No, unless they are autoinstalled and only depend on iceweasel. But apt-get purge will tell you that.
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44[00:20:33] <Lady_Aleena> And I just read replaced-url
45[00:22:29] <rudi_s> Lady_Aleena: AFAIK yes.
46[00:22:45] <rudi_s> Use firefox-esr from the official repository to get security updates.
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50[00:22:57] <dannyLopez> Hi, I install WPS Office, but in Awesome cant launch, I need to know the name CLI to launch with Mod4+R
51[00:23:11] <Lady_Aleena> It says it is gone because of the upcoming requirement of rust to build them. What is rust?
52[00:23:46] <rudi_s> Lady_Aleena: A programming language, Mozilla is rewriting some parts of Firefox in Rust.
53[00:24:38] <Lady_Aleena> And jessie has problems with Rust?
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57[00:26:30] <rudi_s> Lady_Aleena: I guess backporting rust is difficult.
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62[00:29:12] <Lady_Aleena> So my devotion to Firefox over Firefox-ESR is pointless?
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65[00:30:16] <Lady_Aleena> From what I think "Mozilla Firefox web browser - Transitional package" means is that Firefox is just a link to Firefox-ESR.
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67[00:30:42] <Lady_Aleena> "Mozilla Firefox web browser - Transitional package" came from dpkg -l list.
68[00:31:14] <rudi_s> Lady_Aleena: Well, -ESR is the stable version and the only one with security updates in Debian. So yes, I think you should get used to it.
69[00:31:29] <rudi_s> (Personally I'd recommend Chromium which has a better security record.)
70[00:32:04] <Lady_Aleena> Chromium's interface doesn't get out of my way the last time I looked at it a few years ago.
71[00:32:39] <alekz> lol
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75[00:32:50] <alekz> Lady_Aleena: you really miss old times right?
76[00:33:09] <Lady_Aleena> And the last time I tried importing my Firefox bookmarks, and it was a jumbled mess.
77[00:33:13] <tw> "a few years ago" I wonder if there's any UI code left from then.
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80[00:33:32] <Lady_Aleena> alekz, when I get used to something, it is very hard for me to change gears.
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82[00:34:09] <alekz> well, you can try downloading an older Debian version and stick to those packages
83[00:34:14] <alekz> or start moving on ;)
84[00:35:18] <Lady_Aleena> I would have to search Chrome's plugins to see if how many are analogous to my Firefox plugins.
85[00:35:18] <rudi_s> alekz: Please don't recommend this when you're talking about browser!
86[00:35:39] <alekz> rudi_s: I'm being saracastic, sorry!
87[00:35:43] <rudi_s> Never use an outdated version of a browser. They are insecure enough even when you're always using the latest version.
88[00:35:46] <rudi_s> ;-)
89[00:36:01] <tw> It'd be nice if there were enduring browser ui standards w/ 10 year support.
90[00:36:08] <tw> that'd never happen
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98[00:41:21] <TomTomTo1> upstream firefox-esr and firefox release are the same right now anyway, at least for the next two weeks or so.
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100[00:43:33] * Lady_Aleena is looking into Chromium
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109[00:47:01] <JuPaname> free shell account contact PM =)
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133[01:00:31] * Lady_Aleena head desks.
134[01:00:53] <Lady_Aleena> Well, Chrom(e|ium) is a pita to set up.
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137[01:01:37] <Lady_Aleena> Chrom(e|ium) doesn't have a File Edit View ... Help bar.
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151[01:07:48] <rudi_s> Lady_Aleena: The "bar" is behind the three dots. It reduces the clutter.
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163[01:12:50] <Lady_Aleena> rudi_s, but without that toolbar, alt-b doesn't bring up my bookmarks.
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165[01:13:34] <Lady_Aleena> Also Chrome uses ctrl-k to go to the address bar instead of ctrl-l.
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169[01:16:41] <Lady_Aleena> I think I will stick with Firefox. I've spent years customizing it, and having to try to customize Chrome is a daunting task.
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173[01:19:48] <rudi_s> Lady_Aleena: Well, to show all bookmarks you can use Ctrl-Shift-O.
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175[01:20:23] <rudi_s> Anyway, I use Chromium with Vimium (not quite as good as vimperator from firefox, but still very good) which provides me with Vim-like bindings which are very fast and powerful.
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180[01:22:10] <Lady_Aleena> rudi_s, Chrome is lacking another big thing, a standard separate search box.
181[01:22:39] <rudi_s> Lady_Aleena: To be honest I have no idea why you'd need that. You can specify a prefix character to search in different search engines.
182[01:23:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps i need some help..
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184[01:23:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> how can i monitor a folder for permission changes or ownership changes?
185[01:23:21] <Lady_Aleena> rudi_s, sometimes I go on a search binge, and in Firefox, search always opens in a new tab.
186[01:23:26] <rudi_s> Lady_Aleena: So I type "w foo" (without the quotes) to search for foo on wikipedia (the search "engine" is replaced-url
187[01:23:35] <rudi_s> And so on for other search services.
188[01:23:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got some rogue app changing the permissions to 750 and changing my owner
189[01:23:51] <rudi_s> When I want to open a new tab, I open a new tab first.
190[01:24:04] <rudi_s> Eryn_1983_FL: inotify
191[01:24:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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193[01:24:24] <rudi_s> Eryn_1983_FL: But I don't know if you can get the process which changed it.
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198[01:25:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> mm
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271[02:06:42] <mekhami> i'm having a hell of a time with ssh. my pubkey is in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub. i put the contents of that file in /home/username/.ssh/authorized_key on the server.
272[02:07:13] <mekhami> but when it ry to connect is says permission denied (pubkey) and the verbose output looks like this at the end: replaced-url
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278[02:10:12] <vvor> mekhami: replaced-url
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291[02:20:39] <mo1991reg> can someone tell me how to turn of "tap to click" in debian stretch. there is no option in the GUI for mouse config. It is driving me nuts as it is too sensitive
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313[02:37:47] <LiuYan> mo1991reg: you mean for touchpad ?
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318[02:39:40] <mo1991reg> LiuYan - yes I mean for touchpad
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323[02:46:05] <LiuYan> mo1991reg: i'm using MATE desktop, there's an option in 'mouse' -- 'touchpad' tab -- 'enable tap to click'.
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325[02:47:21] <LiuYan> mo1991reg: you can use command line to disable it: synclient TapButton1=0
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332[02:51:46] <mo1991reg> I do not have the command synclient - I believe because jessie uses libinput as default. confused
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338[02:54:55] <mo1991reg> I get the "couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?" error when I run synclient.
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404[03:48:22] <LiuYan> mo1991reg: a quick search result: replaced-url
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431[04:12:51] <_rubik> Hey guys. I'm having trouble getting xterm to use a .bdf font. Any advice?
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451[04:25:29] <bw_> I just installed debian, and it seems like xterm can't tell the difference between keypad -, and regular -. i've never had this problem before, and it's such a weird thing i don't even know how to google for it
452[04:25:39] <bw_> am I the only one?
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454[04:27:07] <dvs> why does it make a difference?
455[04:27:18] <_rubik> ^
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458[04:28:31] <bw_> i'm using a program that uses the two different keys to do different things
459[04:28:53] <bw_> i tried compiling the exact same version of the program that i used to use, but i get the problem
460[04:29:03] <bw_> maybe it's some library that it depends on
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462[04:29:47] <bw_> actually, i should probably ask the developers of that program
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469[04:41:59] <mo1991reg> does anyone know if there is a way to verify that compiz in debian jessie WAS built with support for metacity - something like a build report for the package?
470[04:42:56] <mo1991reg> !simple sid backport
471[04:42:56] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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671[06:42:09] <deego> Did a release happen just now?
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674[06:42:37] <deego> hm, it's backports. It wants to upgrade 300+ packages. wth happneed? :)
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681[06:46:25] <deego> Also, I have Pin-Priority: -300 set for jessie-backports. It suddenly seems that that's not being respected
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683[06:47:06] <deego> For example, hplip shows as: 500 replaced-url
684[06:47:44] <deego> am i connected? :)
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688[06:50:51] <deego> and it mysteriously got fixed just now. Either that, or i am hallucinating.
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791[07:56:45] <puffinz> Check out the twitter replaced-url
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845[08:30:41] <orb> jolt, could you point me to a good openvpn guide?
846[08:31:05] <orb> maybe one that's on the simple side.
847[08:31:07] <orb> :>
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897[08:54:37] <oden> Hi. Can someone please help with a watch file for the atlassian products at replaced-url
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936[09:17:10] <pinqvin_> hello, does firefox work with alsa in Debian?
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940[09:17:57] <pinqvin_> I will soon move back to debian testing, but I am not going to use pulseaudio and it would be nice to get firefox sounds work.
941[09:17:57] <rjsalts> pinqvin_: usually
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943[09:19:09] <pinqvin_> rjsalts: ok. Firefox dropped alsa support atlest in ubuntu so I wanted to make sure it works in Debian
944[09:19:19] <pinqvin_> *atleast
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946[09:20:07] <rjsalts> pinqvin_: really?
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949[09:21:13] <pinqvin_> rjsalts: yea after update in last month, so when the same update arives to debian it can be same issue
950[09:22:31] <rjsalts> pinqvin_: yeah, I'd say so, but firefox-esr in stretch is 45.8.0, and it looks like upstream changed at 52
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955[09:23:40] <pinqvin_> rjsalts: ok, but in testing it is maybe newer.
956[09:23:56] <rjsalts> pinqvin_: stretch is testing
957[09:24:32] <pinqvin_> rjsalts: Sory is misread your comment :D
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962[09:27:23] <rjsalts> pinqvin_: replaced-url
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968[09:30:26] <daniel-s> Hey. What does this mean?
969[09:30:28] <daniel-s> E: Release file for replaced-url
970[09:31:07] <rjsalts> daniel-s: Valid-Until: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:31:41 UTC
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979[09:33:29] <TomTomTo1> daniel-s: pick a different mirror or wait till yours fixes it.
980[09:33:34] <rjsalts> daniel-s: means that the Releases file is old, and is being ignored
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982[09:33:47] <sandiego> hey
983[09:34:01] <daniel-s> OK. Thanks guys.
984[09:34:08] <sandiego> ive been using for a while 32bits debian, how can i upgrade my system ? 64bits
985[09:34:14] <pinqvin_> rjsalts: thanks, I have to check that
986[09:34:15] <sandiego> is it ez ?
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991[09:36:31] <daniel-s> Changed to ftp.debian.org and it appears to be working fine now. :-)
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993[09:37:38] <rjsalts> daniel-s: it's probably a temporary thing on ftp.au. Waiting for a sync, etc.
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996[09:38:25] <sandiego> dpkg --add-architecture amd64 its all i need to change from 32bits to 64bits ?
997[09:38:26] * dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new i386 chipset
998[09:38:41] <rjsalts> sandiego: no
999[09:38:51] <sandiego> what else ?
1000[09:39:22] <rjsalts> sandiego: that will get you multiarch system with 64 bit support
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1003[09:40:13] <rjsalts> sandiego: replaced-url
1004[09:40:27] <rjsalts> sandiego: replaced-url
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1006[09:41:25] <sandiego> ty
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1079[10:25:37] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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1082[10:26:28] <ychaouche> I've put a new script in cron.daily yesterday and it didn't get executed today. What log file should I be looking at ? couldn't find the string cron.daily in syslog
1083[10:26:46] <ychaouche> nor the name of my script
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1085[10:29:38] <petemc> ychaouche: syslog. did you check the permissions of the script?
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1087[10:30:47] <ychaouche> petemc: they're the same as the others.
1088[10:30:56] <ychaouche> -rwxr-xr-x
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1094[10:34:29] <ychaouche> also no mail for root or serveur
1095[10:34:39] <ychaouche> serveur is the other system user we're using
1096[10:34:53] <ychaouche> root is aliased to serveur (/etc/aliases)
1097[10:34:58] <teraflops> ychaouche: you can always put a > /path/to/wtf.log at the end of the cron line to see what went wrong
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1099[10:35:27] <ychaouche> teraflops: when I execute the script manually from /etc/cron.daily it gets executed normally
1100[10:35:39] <teraflops> yeah sure
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1110[10:44:22] <choice> How do I know if a server is running ntp?
1111[10:44:36] <choice> "ps aux | grep ntp"?
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1114[10:45:40] <ychaouche> pgrep ntp
1115[10:45:59] <choice> Ok. It's not running ntp.
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1120[10:48:01] <choice> Is there some way to do a one time date update? Like "wget sometimeserver.com | date" or something?
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1123[10:49:17] <ychaouche> it's not recommended if the time difference is big
1124[10:49:34] <ychaouche> crond for example might get upset
1125[10:49:58] <ychaouche> ntpd is intelligent enough to adjust the time by small steps
1126[10:50:20] <ychaouche> is there any reason you wouldn't want to install ntp on that machine ?
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1129[10:53:22] <choice> This funky line works: date -s "$(wget -qSO- --max-redirect=0 google.com 2>&1 | grep Date: | cut -d' ' -f5-8)Z"
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1139[10:57:06] <petemc> fsvo works
1140[10:57:18] <petemc> doesnt take into account summer time for me
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1143[10:58:10] <choice> The line I posted?
1144[10:58:44] <petemc> yeah
1145[10:59:05] <choice> Worked for me.
1146[10:59:34] <petemc> excellent
1147[11:00:41] <choice> If it works for me, it's perfect.
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1300[12:17:53] <Hercules> is there any way to limit the non-sudo users with space, processes and all?
1301[12:18:11] <BluesKaj> HI folks
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1313[12:30:36] <ychaouche> Hercules: containers, cgroups
1314[12:30:48] <ychaouche> maybe...
1315[12:30:50] <ychaouche> Hi BluesKaj
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1318[12:31:12] <ychaouche> guys, htop says I'm using 1.5G and free is saying I'm using 7.8G, why is that so ?
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1320[12:31:31] <BluesKaj> Hi ychaouche
1321[12:31:31] <petemc> caches
1322[12:31:37] <ychaouche> caches ?
1323[12:31:45] <celyr> ychaouche, can you paste your free -m ?
1324[12:31:51] <ychaouche> oops, yes it says 5.7 Cached
1325[12:31:54] <petemc> replaced-url
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1327[12:32:07] <Hercules> ychaouche, how do I do that?
1328[12:32:20] <celyr> replaced-url
1329[12:32:22] <celyr> lol
1330[12:32:32] <ychaouche> oh that link is execllent thanks :D
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1333[12:33:17] <ychaouche> why is it talking about disk cache though ?
1334[12:33:35] <mistSwallowsCum> Why is there a faggot trying to shove a squirrel up his ass on the front page of debian.org
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1336[12:33:46] <mistSwallowsCum> i think y'all got hacked
1337[12:34:17] <celyr> mistSwallowsCum, I don't see any ass in the debian front page
1338[12:34:21] <ychaouche> does it mean that some of the disk blocks are copied into memory ?
1339[12:34:26] <mistSwallowsCum> oh nvm lol
1340[12:34:35] <mistSwallowsCum> i made a mistake in the addres
1341[12:34:47] <mistSwallowsCum> just some script kiddie typosquatting
1342[12:34:48] <celyr> ychaouche, when file are red and wrote they are red and wrote in the ram
1343[12:35:06] <BluesKaj> oh lord, another ignore
1344[12:35:09] <celyr> ychaouche, then they are commited to the disk
1345[12:35:33] <celyr> ychaouche, linux doesn't throw away the copy it has on the ram since if you need to access again it's faster from there
1346[12:35:38] <celyr> ychaouche, and that's about it
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1349[12:36:31] <ychaouche> run forest run
1350[12:36:36] <ychaouche> aye celyr
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1379[12:55:59] <Hercules> any easier way to limit disk space for user group?
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1406[13:10:39] <sep> greetings, when upgrading some machines to stretch the interface names change from eth0 to en$letters-and-numbers ; this couse the machine not to answer after reboot. since network config and firewall config is not adapted. ;; are there any way i can predict the names before the reboot. so one can adapt interfaces files before the final reboot ? since i want to upgrade some headless remote servers loosing network is a bit of a pain.
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1409[13:12:38] <ssumowski> hello, are here any ldap experts that can help me?
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1442[13:27:09] <blackflow> sep: the upgrade is supposed to keep the old (unpredictable) names, at least it did on my upgrades. So you have two options, 1) adjust for the new naming scheme or 2) revert to old (eth0). replaced-url
1443[13:28:24] <blackflow> sep: see section "I don't like this". iirc, debian creates an empty file (with instructions) at /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link
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1450[13:32:34] <sep> blackflow, well i do not mind the new names, i allways have had problems trying to locate the right interface in the list of eth[0-9] having something predictable is not bad. but as long as it does not break during upgrade. the link say that you can predict the name before reboot. but does not say exactly how to do that.
1451[13:32:46] <sep> and more importantly how to get ansible to do that :)
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1454[13:33:36] <jolt> orb: Sorry for the late reply, but something like the debian wiki maybe? I would use TLS/RSA keys for security: replaced-url
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1458[13:36:29] <sep> perhaps the replaced-url
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1480[13:50:55] <blackflow> sep: well, the udev source documents the scheme in comments: replaced-url
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1483[13:51:37] <blackflow> sep: but eh... I'm still not sure how to predict this without actually checking. I don't think it's even possible, esp for ens* names. How do you know the slot # ?
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1485[13:52:06] <sep> blackflow, the link you posted claimed you could predict if from lspci.
1486[13:52:11] <blackflow> so the "predictable" is a bit of a misnomer. It means predictable as in once established, it won't change if you don't change the hardware configuration.
1487[13:52:18] <sep> did not say how tho :)
1488[13:53:34] <blackflow> sep: I have no idea how to predict it in advance without checking with a tool.
1489[13:54:08] <blackflow> eg. my nic is enp3s0. how do I tell just by looking at the motherboard that it'll be bus 3, slot 0 ?
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1491[13:54:32] <sep> well if i am going to adapt the interterfaces file before rebooting i kind of need to predict it before that ; a tool one could run on jessie. that listed eth0=enp3s0f0 eth1=enp3s0f1 eth3=ens2p1 would be nice
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1493[13:55:32] <blackflow> sep: jessie uses systemd but deliberately configures it for the old, ethX scheme. that means the tooling or dmesg should be able to tell you the udev name before remapping
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1500[13:58:31] <blackflow> sep: I have this in dmesg: [ 0.876555] r8169 0000:03:00.0 enp3s0: renamed from eth0 so maybe it could be possible to automate with ansible in some bootstrapping phase
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1503[13:58:48] <blackflow> sep: this is on Stretch, tho'
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1508[14:00:35] <sep> blackflow, on stretch i get that as well, not on jessie
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1510[14:01:17] <blackflow> yeah I see there's no mention of even eth0 in Jessie's dmesg, nor ens3 that should be in my case. the only way is to look at lspci
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1513[14:01:57] <blackflow> but, in my case Jessie is a VM, so it wouldn't be enp3s0, it'd be ens3, for 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Red Hat, Inc Virtio network device if I'm not mistaken
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1515[14:02:49] <blackflow> sep: on ubuntu xenial: [ 3.019226] virtio_net virtio0 ens3: renamed from eth0 for that same class of VMs and virtio NIC
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1520[14:04:02] <sep> first line that referenced eth0 on my test jessie host ; [ 1.048342] bnx2 0000:03:00.0 eth0: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 1000Base-T (C0) PCI Express found at mem f4000000, IRQ 30, node addr 78:e7:d1:f7:e3:68
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1525[14:04:53] <sep> [ 2.346943] bnx2 0000:03:00.0 eth0: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 1000Base-T (C0) PCI Express found at mem f4000000, IRQ 26, node addr 68:b5:99:be:c2:68
1526[14:04:53] <sep> [ 2.421666] bnx2 0000:03:00.0 enp3s0f0: renamed from eth0 ;; on stretch
1527[14:04:57] <strk> how can I install jull emoji fonts fon Debian 8 ?
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1529[14:05:15] <blackflow> sep: this could help: replaced-url
1530[14:05:17] <strk> I read from here it would be a "Symbola" font, but apt-cache search doesn't find anything about "symbola"replaced-url
1531[14:05:28] <blackflow> sep: ran that udevadm command on Jessie and it shows just like in the example
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1534[14:07:17] <thereyougo> what year Jessie was released ?
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1536[14:07:27] <strk> I see packages exist for stretch and sid: replaced-url
1537[14:07:28] <blackflow> strk: fonts-symbola package is in stretch and sid, but it's this source pkg: replaced-url
1538[14:07:35] <thereyougo> !jessie
1539[14:07:36] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
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1543[14:08:07] <thereyougo> !slink
1544[14:08:08] <dpkg> Slink (Debian GNU/Linux 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <slink->potato>. Get old slink ISOs here: replaced-url
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1546[14:08:18] * strk tries
1547[14:08:29] <sep> blackflow, thanks a lot. that worked just find on jessie and showed the predictable interface name
1548[14:08:40] <thereyougo> is dash a default shell in debian ?
1549[14:08:48] <sep> they should put that command into the release notes :)
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1551[14:09:25] <sep> !jessie->stretch
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1567[14:14:35] <tdn> Is there a way to keep the fileindex/file system metadata cached on an ext4 filesystem? Kind of like having a "find /" or "find / -ls" run continously in the background. So that short file lookups are faster.
1568[14:14:52] <strk> tdn: locatedb ?
1569[14:15:10] <strk> blackflow: fonts-symbola worked great on Jessie, thank you !
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1621[14:43:27] <freehck> Hello. Do anybody know if it's possible to call dpkg-scanpackages in parallel mode to improve the speed of scanning?
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1628[14:47:12] <donofrio> did the 17.04 repo's get removed for the arch powerpc? my 'do-release-upgrade' is unable to install the 'core'package ;(
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1630[14:47:23] <donofrio> opps wrong channel #mybad
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1636[14:52:07] <theraspberry> what the fuck is going on with jessie updates
1637[14:53:08] <BluesKaj> theraspberry, watch the language and give us some detail
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1640[14:55:22] <theraspberry> eh, idk, I think I've stuffed something up with this jessie vm packages
1641[14:55:33] <theraspberry> apologies.
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1670[15:07:19] <tdn> strass, so you mean just to run find / continously?
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1672[15:07:35] <tdn> strass, or once in a while at least
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1710[15:26:15] <KateD> I am running debian stretch.
1711[15:26:22] <KateD> I have a nvidia GK107GL [Quadro K600] card, and the built in intel onbard graphics ( intel 915 )
1712[15:26:31] <KateD> Each graphics card has a single output and has a monitor attached to it.
1713[15:26:36] <KateD> I am trying to get a gnome3 ( gnome-shell ) desktop across both monitors.
1714[15:26:47] <KateD> I can an X server on each monitor. ( see my xorg.conf replaced-url
1715[15:26:52] <KateD> but the gdm only outputs on one of them ( the nvidia output ), and gnome desktop only appears on the nvidia also.
1716[15:26:58] <KateD> xrandr and gnome monitor configuration tools only show a single monitor ( see xrandr output replaced-url
1717[15:27:02] <KateD> Can anyone help with a suitable xorg.conf or other configuration to get the desktop to wrap smoothly across each monito
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1719[15:27:16] <KateD> Thanks
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1749[15:35:08] <teraflops> KateD: if you have two gpus you have to run one xorg instance on each one, that's why you only see gnome-shell on the dedicated one
1750[15:36:00] <teraflops> or that's my understanding
1751[15:36:29] <teraflops> KateD: so if the nvidia has more outputs go attach moar monitors there
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1783[15:52:14] <mr> hi
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1787[15:54:17] <mr> hi mans
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1789[15:56:23] <ychaouche> mm; I loled at this
1790[15:56:48] <ychaouche> it's funnier than mens
1791[15:57:24] <mr> sorry
1792[15:57:37] <mr> i new here
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1808[16:01:10] <pierre367> hi!
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1812[16:02:12] <pierre367> i have a small question concerning apt/dpkg. While upgrading a package, if there is the line "upgrade g++-6:amd64 6.3.0-6 6.3.0-11" in the logs it means that g++-6 was upgraded from 6.3.0-6 to 6.3.0-11, right?
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1816[16:03:18] <ychaouche> I'd say so
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1835[16:09:48] <blackflow> pierre367: yup
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1899[16:23:20] <Guest91234> hello
1900[16:23:36] <ychaouche> hello unidentified guest
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1935[16:39:03] <mr> hi
1936[16:39:10] <mr> i need help
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1941[16:39:48] <babilen> mr: How so?
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1947[16:42:02] <mr> babilen
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1951[16:42:42] <donofrio> how do I bind two xorg session to present one larger desktop? only ask because I have three desktop's (replaced-url
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1954[16:43:41] <mr> i cant speak english very good
1955[16:43:48] <mr> i from egypt
1956[16:43:49] <KateD> teraflops: I thought maybe this was possible with xinerama, or xrandr ?
1957[16:43:56] <mr> i can speak franko
1958[16:44:06] <KateD> teraflops: it was just a guess though ( on my part )
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1964[16:45:54] <greycat> !fr
1965[16:45:54] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
1966[16:46:04] <greycat> Not sure if "franko" is the same as French.
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1969[16:46:38] <greycat> donofrio: look at x2x
1970[16:46:38] <mr> no franko is languge
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1972[16:47:02] <coke> the language of spanish dictatorship ;)
1973[16:47:40] <mr> i can speak arabic and franko
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1980[16:49:42] <greycat> Google tells me there is something called "Franco-Arabic". Maybe that's what he meant. Oh well.
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1982[16:49:52] <greycat> I don't think we have a channel for it.
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1984[16:50:41] <astephanh> hi. how can i get an verbose output ob systemctl restart to see if the service is running or not? example. i have a type in varnish. restart exit with code 0 but systemctl status show "Active: failed".
1985[16:50:56] <greycat> You have to request the status.
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1987[16:51:16] <greycat> "systemctl restart" just sends a message to systemd, and does not wait around to see what happens.
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1990[16:51:55] <astephanh> and in 1 command like the old sysv days, where i got an OK or FAILED?
1991[16:52:06] <greycat> It doesn't exist any more. Deal.
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1997[16:54:37] <astephanh> how to quick edit the command line? the arguments are in the wrong order
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1999[16:55:38] <coke> copy it yo a text editor and paste it back
2000[16:55:58] <astephanh> yeah...
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2002[16:57:29] <greycat> astephanh: if you're in bash, in emacs (default) mode, Ctrl-X Ctrl-E will launch your defined text editor. In vi mode, press v while in command mode.
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2004[16:58:43] <petemc> or push up and use alt-b / alt-f to jump around editing what you need
2005[16:59:30] <petemc> or use some clever ! history command
2006[16:59:49] <astephanh> oh, ctrl-x didn't know that. thats cool. is there a shortcut to just paste the cmd line to history but not execute it? (like git stash)
2007[17:00:20] <astephanh> i think i'll got with this. replaced-url
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2011[17:01:02] <greycat> I don't use emacs mode much. You could ask in #bash, and maybe someone else there might know.
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2013[17:01:29] <greycat> In vi mode, if I want to "save but not execute" a command, I'd press # while in command mode. That puts a # at the start of the command and gives you a new prompt.
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2015[17:03:24] <donofrio> greycat, I already have a unified HID (aka synergy does what x2x does, unless I missed something)
2016[17:03:43] <ychaouche> astephanh: Alt-T will transpose two arguments
2017[17:03:59] <mo1991reg> can someone here point me in the right direction to see if compiz (stretch) is compiled with metacity/marco support?? I believe that it is not compiled with this support and may recompile but want to verify before wasting time
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2019[17:04:28] <ychaouche> You can jump between arguments with Ctrl-<arrows> or Alt-F Alt-b if you prefer.
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2023[17:05:29] <ychaouche> you can kill one argument next to the cursor with Alt-d, and one argument before the cursor with Alt-Backspace
2024[17:05:54] <ychaouche> you can undo your changes with Ctrl-_
2025[17:05:55] <donofrio> I want to have a spanning desktop across all xserve's
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2030[17:08:42] <mo1991reg> can someone invite me to debian-next
2031[17:08:50] <greycat> !debian-next
2032[17:08:50] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2033[17:08:53] <ychaouche> you can add Alt-d then (d for delete, it's easy to rememebr)
2034[17:09:14] <ychaouche> and alt-T (Transpose)
2035[17:09:17] <ChrisH> I have a 8 core/CPU server and is a load of 8 something to worry about? Or other does linux normalize the load as HP/UX does or does it not as eg. solaris does?
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2039[17:09:47] <mo1991reg> nobody knows where a build report would be for debian packages eh?
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2049[17:11:06] <astephanh> i'll try. is every systemctl action like start/stop/restart just es message to systemd or only restart?
2050[17:11:08] <ychaouche> ChrisH: I think a load of 8 means all 8 cores are fully used
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2052[17:12:06] <greycat> astephanh: all of them
2053[17:12:51] <ChrisH> ychaouche: that matches top... it does not normalize. thanks.
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2107[17:31:36] <c0rwin> Hey guys, have any of you heard of NGS replaced-url
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2134[17:40:28] <ychaouche> I didn't
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2173[18:03:17] <EpicCyndaquil> has anyone recently used the non-free firmware iso successfully? Mine keeps failing on the "select and install software" step
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2175[18:03:42] <mo1991reg> anyone running xubuntu with compiz?
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2181[18:05:14] <ksk> !tekk mo1991reg about based on debian
2182[18:05:20] <ksk> !tell mo1991reg about based on debian
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2185[18:06:25] <blacksyke> mo1991reg: xubuntu is not debian
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2188[18:07:19] <jmcnaught> EpicCyndaquil: it could be the way that you copied the ISO to your USB stick
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2201[18:12:48] <EpicCyndaquil> jmcnaught: if that was the case, wouldn't it fail to install the base system?
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2203[18:13:47] <jmcnaught> EpicCyndaquil: not necessarily. how did you copy the ISO? programs like unetbootin and rufus often mess up Debian images
2204[18:14:35] <EpicCyndaquil> used this one this time: replaced-url
2205[18:14:40] <ksk> !tell EpicCyndaquil about install from usb
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2207[18:14:57] <ksk> !tell EpicCyndaquil about usb install
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2209[18:15:24] <EpicCyndaquil> I've been having some issues with other distros, but I'm thinking now it may not be usb related but disk drive related. Is there an easy way to test that?
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2212[18:15:54] <ksk> EpicCyndaquil: what does "keeps failing" actually mean?
2213[18:16:04] <ksk> is there any error message? does the system freeze?
2214[18:16:33] <EpicCyndaquil> it always fails on installing software. I'm trying to install proxmox, tried that iso before and it'd always fail on a .deb
2215[18:16:46] <EpicCyndaquil> now failing on the "select and install software" part of debian
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2220[18:17:25] <jmcnaught> EpicCyndaquil: try it again with a different disk, don't use that etcher program
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2223[18:18:15] <EpicCyndaquil> can I just use rufus and tell it to DD? (I'm on windows atm)
2224[18:18:39] <EpicCyndaquil> because I've been running into issues repeatedly, I really don't think it's just the usb disk or how I'm doing this
2225[18:18:52] <jmcnaught> EpicCyndaquil: use win32diskimager (and i recommend at least checking out the install manual for other potential gotchas)
2226[18:18:52] <dax> rufus works fine for Debian ISOs
2227[18:19:13] <dax> (and every other isohybrid image i've ever tried)
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2229[18:19:43] <jmcnaught> try another disk, and when all else fails follow the instructions ☺
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2232[18:20:36] <EpicCyndaquil> so win32diskimager only works with .img files
2233[18:21:48] <jmcnaught> that's just the file selection dialogue, either use show all files or rename the file
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2239[18:26:46] <EpicCyndaquil> no, I showed all files and tried the iso, and it wouldn't work.
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2273[18:42:17] <unborn> EpicCyndaquil: give your self some reading and read wikis.. please stop trolling others. I DOES WORK for millions so it have to work for you as well.
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2275[18:42:44] <unborn> if its not EpicCyndaquil then - use brain.
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2278[18:42:59] <greycat> !proxmox
2279[18:42:59] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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2285[18:43:53] <unborn> proxmox - yeah have not so nice experience about that one! its nice peace of software btw
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2303[18:47:26] <mo1991reg> ksk - I actually am running debian stretch. I typed in the wrong channel. What I am trying to figure out is if the compiz version in debian stretch is compiled with metacity / marco support or not. I know that the ubuntu version of compiz IS - and they are the same versions. In the debian version, however, I have been unable to change the theme in "gtk-window-decorator" for compiz, so metacity / marco themes may not have been
2304[18:47:26] <mo1991reg> compiled in.
2305[18:47:44] <mo1991reg> blacksyke - above
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2311[18:48:42] <blacksyke> interesting, I wonder if that detail is recorded on the package's page
2312[18:48:54] <blacksyke> it must be recorded somewhere after all - at least, in the build commands for the package!
2313[18:49:33] <unborn> mo1991reg: I think compiz is being developed only by Canonical's (ubuntu) - perhaps best way to ask them right a way?
2314[18:49:34] <mo1991reg> blacksyke, ya, I downloaded the source and looked at the /debian/rules file, but I'm not much of a coder so I can't really tell
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2317[18:50:44] <mo1991reg> unborn - this was the case for years, but now compiz is OFFICIAL in debian stretch after not having it in debian for years. Good news for those of us who use it for some of the things that have bad vision and compiz is helpful to
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2319[18:51:37] <mo1991reg> so it is being compiled by the debian maintainer and hydra team for debian now. i've been in contact with them in the past, I know they've taken a few years to get it into deb offical repos
2320[18:51:52] <unborn> mo1991reg: sure, I understand, I wont be unfriendly to any other distro or anything.. Im running stretch now on my other 3 machines (gnome mainly) no compiz on my end.. sorru.
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2322[18:51:58] <unborn> *sorry
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2326[18:52:22] <mo1991reg> all good, this is a very recent developement
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2328[18:53:04] <blacksyke> seems like metacity might be off, judging by the -DBUILD_METACITY=OFF flag from a build log
2329[18:53:13] <mo1991reg> and I do think that cannonical is still really the only ones really "developing" compiz - and the debian team is fixing bugs and repacking
2330[18:53:13] <unborn> means debian it self possibly does not need any rubbish like compiz (im maybe wrong on this but on my end all machines works just beautiful and no compiz is required)
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2332[18:54:02] <blacksyke> mm might be reading the logs wrong, that might be for the compiz dep, I'm kinda doing a million things right now
2333[18:54:09] <unborn> mo1991reg: canons are only the one who keeps that bug on life :)
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2335[18:54:30] <mo1991reg> blacksyke - this is what I was hoping to find out. Any chance you can tell me what I would need to change in the debian / rules file or other file to recompile the source WITH metacity support?
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2337[18:55:33] <mo1991reg> unborn - certainly compiz is not needed and adds bloat, but running xfce with compiz is still lightweight, and adds a lot of nice features (cube switch with middle mouse) that I have used for years
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2342[18:57:14] <unborn> mo1991reg: understood - I can defo see that compiz is not part of debian then? I am sure not part of xfce.
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2345[18:58:00] <mo1991reg> compiz is included in debian stretch. Not stable. hopefully stretch will be stable in next few months
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2347[18:58:29] <mo1991reg> I just prefer to run xfce with compiz - and am glad its back in dbian
2348[18:58:32] <mo1991reg> debian
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2350[18:59:08] <hiya> how do I create a user with useradd that has no auth logs stored?
2351[18:59:16] <unborn> mo1991reg: sure. perhaps I am wrong on this totally.. it happens to me a lot :) anyway this chan is about debian 8 - jessie.. MAINLY.
2352[18:59:16] <teraflops> unborn: compiz was dead till unity started using it, now unity is dead too, so guess what will happen with compiz likely
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2354[18:59:22] <greycat> replaced-url
2355[18:59:51] <unborn> teraflops: well I guess it will finally die it self on its own..
2356[18:59:56] <unborn> - thanks
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2362[19:03:17] <blacksyke> I don't have time to spelunk through the cmake configuration files to find where to add the metacity compilation flag, but it's in there somewhereeeeeee good luckkkkkkk
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2364[19:03:39] <greycat> cmake. That alone would send me screaming away from the project.
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2379[19:10:36] <seanz> Greetings. Is there a standard way to handle building a package that contains sensitive info? I'm looking to package up a Flask app for deployment through Debian packaging, and it has environment-specific config that includes some service passwords.
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2390[19:14:31] <unborn> mo1991reg: stretch is stable for me for past 4 months on other machines and I am considering to switch to it on my mine laptop.. reason I've not done this yet is my old school approach towards stability...
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2393[19:16:13] <Doxin> so my debian install just refused to boot because somehow mounting the home partition failed. I rebooted and got the same problem, but remounting the home partition manually from the rescue shell makes it boot fine. how do I figure out what's going on?
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2396[19:17:46] <unborn> Doxin: error msgs would always tell you what is wrong or - later reading the log folder would also helps.
2397[19:18:07] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: dmesg | less might have some error.
2398[19:18:13] <BluesKaj> unborn, wise move., tried stretch on my lenovo laptop with bcm 4313 wifi, which was constantly asking for my pw even after it connected. I drpped back to jessie and now all is well
2399[19:18:43] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: Anything unusual about the partition? Standard ext4?
2400[19:18:46] <Doxin> "EXT4-fs (sdb1): error count since last fsck: 42", that's not a good sign
2401[19:18:55] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: nothing unusual as far as I know
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2403[19:19:25] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: Pastebin the fstab while you read through dmesg?
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2405[19:20:01] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: replaced-url
2406[19:20:09] <jhutchins_wk> What's the syntax of the successful mount command?
2407[19:20:18] <unborn> BluesKaj: could be some bug regards driver, Im free on this laptop but on other (my toshiba) I had problem like you have with eth.. I guess its small bug within drivers.. would be very well working if you submit some bug report to guys..
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2411[19:20:54] <unborn> BluesKaj: perhaps I will wait till official date is out :D - thanks
2412[19:21:14] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: mount -o rw /dev/sdb1 iirc
2413[19:21:58] <jhutchins_wk> What happens if you leave off the -o rw?
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2415[19:22:30] <BluesKaj> unborn, yeah , think that's the best policy :-)
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2417[19:22:39] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: well no clue, I'd have to reboot and I'd rather not when the risk is it not coming back up...
2418[19:22:58] <teraflops> Doxin: so your disk has errors and in fstab you say: if the disk has errors go mount it rw…
2419[19:23:04] <teraflops> ro^
2420[19:23:11] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: you could just unmount it.
2421[19:23:26] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: that's his /, his /home doesn't have that option.
2422[19:23:27] <greycat> only root has the "remount ro on errors" option
2423[19:23:33] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: is it a smart idea to unmount your /home? seems like that'd crash stuff
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2425[19:23:42] <teraflops> oh well I misread
2426[19:23:57] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: Not as long as you're running as root.
2427[19:23:59] <donofrio> can you folks please keep support for powerpc arch
2428[19:24:15] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: you mean "as long as no users are logged in and no email is incoming and so on"
2429[19:24:21] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: root's home is /root, not on /home/
2430[19:24:26] <greycat> Basically, you'd want to be in single-user mode.
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2432[19:24:47] <unborn> BluesKaj: I know.. I possibly wait too, but on other machines where it works man - I have to tell you debian is getting better and better and I think stretch will put ubuntu down.. it have everything really and its not only freaking fast but its also awesome ;)
2433[19:24:48] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: I'm currently in multi-user mode, logged into an X session as not root, I could go kill X but then I'd be gone from chat for a bit
2434[19:24:57] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Depends on the system. My mail delivers to /var
2435[19:25:10] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: but it has to LOOK in the user's home dir for a .forward or whatefer
2436[19:25:20] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: True.
2437[19:25:48] <greycat> That's why I never understood the "encrypted home dirs" concept.
2438[19:25:59] <greycat> Too many things need to be able to read your config files in $HOME.
2439[19:26:03] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: If everything appears to mount and unmount normally within a session, I would try rebuilding the initramfs.
2440[19:26:36] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: I'm getting target is busy, which makes sense
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2450[19:28:35] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: so it's not unmounting, now what?
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2452[19:28:58] <jhutchins_wk> You have open files on it.
2453[19:29:07] <greycat> I'd still want to find the *original* error message. Perhaps it's in journalctl.
2454[19:29:09] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: so kill X and unmount it then?
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2456[19:29:44] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: As grecat suggests, searching for the original error in journalctl or dmesg is probably your next step.
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2459[19:30:23] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: He's right about single-user mode being the best place to test from.
2460[19:30:31] <Doxin> journalctl doesn't contain anything exciting as far as I can tell, dmesg has a bunch of noise about disk errors but it might as well be chinese to me. let me paste it
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2463[19:30:52] <greycat> 'Dying hard drive' is the preliminary diagnosis.
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2465[19:31:23] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: You don't have smartmontools installed do you?
2466[19:31:41] <Doxin> greycat: that's what I figured, but then how come it doesn't fix itself on reboot
2467[19:31:43] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: I do
2468[19:31:50] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: If you don't have a current backup of /home I'd make one NOW.
2469[19:32:01] <Doxin> yep working on it
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2472[19:32:22] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: I think smart logs to /var/log/syslog - if you see bad sector messages there buy a drive.
2473[19:32:26] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: tricky trying to backup 1.8TB though
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2475[19:33:03] <greycat> For most home systems, I'd recommend a USB hard drive big enough to hold your backups, and rsync to it periodically.
2476[19:33:07] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: It was tricky back when drives were 1MB.
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2478[19:33:33] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: something like "20 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors" enough to make bad disk a definitive?
2479[19:33:36] <unborn> Doxin: :) it will take couple of days - I've been there.. fastest way would be rsync on new hdd.. (that is only what I've done)
2480[19:34:03] <Doxin> unborn: I'm contemplating backing up the most important stuff onto an usb disk for now, and then just buying a new disk and a cheap sata-cloner
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2482[19:34:31] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: Just one message isn't too bad. Multiple messages mean new drive.
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2486[19:35:07] <unborn> Doxin: sure, I would still - after backup finished - would boot it up and see what the error msgs was.. you know.
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2488[19:35:35] <unborn> but make sure you have bkup done before reboot
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2492[19:37:41] <jhutchins_wk> unborn: See his post at :33
2493[19:37:44] <Doxin> what is the command to mount an ?ntfs? disk again?
2494[19:37:59] <greycat> ,v ntfs-3g
2495[19:38:00] <judd> Package: ntfs-3g on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1+deb7u3; jessie: 1:2014.2.15AR.2-1+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:2014.2.15AR.2-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1:2014.2.15AR.2-1+deb8u3; sid: 1:2016.2.22AR.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 1:2016.2.22AR.1+dfsg-1; experimental: 1:2016.2.22AR.2-1
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2498[19:38:13] <jhutchins_wk> !ntfs
2499[19:38:13] <dpkg> Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. replaced-url
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2501[19:38:22] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: I do have that installed
2502[19:38:35] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: I'd just rather not have chrome thrash my disk as I look up commands
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2505[19:39:34] <jhutchins_wk> !ntfsrw
2506[19:39:34] <dpkg> NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: replaced-url
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2511[19:40:05] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: It can be as simple as mount -t ntfs3g
2512[19:40:09] <unborn> jhutchins_wk: thank you.. I often miss those msgs when I type my reply.. yap its clear - I would advice same as you did but 20 does not need to mean anything, but I guess he would found more then 20.. - anyway sorry and thank you.
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2515[19:40:20] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: I haven't needed it in 10 years though.
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2520[19:41:51] <jhutchins_wk> unborn: He wasn't real thorough about it, but that suggests serious disk problems. Like I said, if you get one, it's just an error, if you keep getting them, and the bad block record is growning, you may not have hours left.
2521[19:42:26] <Doxin> so anyone aware of some backup solution where I get to pay someone and install a client and not worry about it? it would be nice to not have to stress about this next time :P
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2524[19:43:14] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: unknown filesystem type ntfs3g
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2526[19:43:39] <unborn> Doxin: greycat proposed you solution already - which I am using it as well.. except I do not use ntfs.. just ext4 is best
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2528[19:43:45] <LtL> Doxin: ntfs-3g
2529[19:44:21] <Doxin> yeah I figured. it's claiming to not be ntfs now though
2530[19:44:25] <unborn> jhutchins_wk: ah now I read you.. 20 is more likely good bye..
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2532[19:45:19] <unborn> jhutchins_wk: but still - if he is able to read those sectors etc....you understand me
2533[19:45:34] <greycat> Getting the data backed up is the highest priority here.
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2535[19:45:59] <unborn> Doxin: ^^^
2536[19:46:14] <Doxin> greycat: I am very well trying, but I need to get the dang usb disk mounted
2537[19:46:33] <greycat> Oh, the USB disk is the NTFS one? God, why? Don't do that.
2538[19:46:47] <unborn> Doxin: just format it in ext4
2539[19:46:55] <greycat> I thought the USB disk was your Windows partition that you wanted to use for something else.
2540[19:46:57] <Doxin> unborn: not my disk
2541[19:47:02] <greycat> err... I thought the NTFS
2542[19:47:08] <unborn> Doxin: it will preserve your data, permissions and other stuff
2543[19:47:12] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: for /home he should be ok./
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2545[19:47:22] <unborn> oh..
2546[19:47:23] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: not if you have more than 1 user...
2547[19:47:37] <Doxin> unborn: yes well I can't throw all of someone elses backup away to do mine now can I :P
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2550[19:47:44] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, but file structure will preserve that.
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2552[19:47:58] <mo1991reg> I am trying to recompile the compiz package in debian stretch to include metacity support option. If I change the debian/rules file to remove the line metacity=off I can't get it to compile. It compiles fine if I dont change that line. is there something else that I need to be changing in order to compile with metacity support?
2553[19:48:26] <TomTomTosch> then tar it at least.
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2555[19:48:31] <unborn> Doxin: well install ntfs onto your debian system and then run backup.. however you understand that windows file system does not and cannot keep your current file system permissions?
2556[19:48:38] <Doxin> unborn: I am aware
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2558[19:48:51] <Doxin> unborn: however, the disk seems to not be ntfs, nor fat.
2559[19:49:22] <unborn> means you will have headache when restoring also if data are not gpg encrypted or any other sort of encryption applied - it will be readable by anyone yeah?
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2561[19:49:29] <jhutchins_wk> unborn: He has 3g.
2562[19:49:38] <unborn> specially on windows partition
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2564[19:49:53] <greycat> I'm very confused *what disk* Doxin is talking about.
2565[19:50:01] <Doxin> unborn: it's not a windows partition. its just a random ntfs formatted drive
2566[19:50:03] <unborn> jhutchins_wk: thanks.
2567[19:50:10] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: An external usb drive.
2568[19:50:30] <Doxin> unborn: and it's physically in my hands so I doubt anyone will be reading it right now :P
2569[19:50:37] <jhutchins_wk> There are a few out there that use a special Windows interface that comes on the drive.
2570[19:50:48] <greycat> He has a random USB hard drive lying around with an alleged NTFS partition (except now he says it's not) and it's "someone else's backup" and he plans to use THAT to back up /home from a Debian system?
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2572[19:51:11] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, I think that is about right.
2573[19:51:21] <unborn> Doxin: if in your hands - and there is nothing - format it into ext4 back it up and restore - then format it into proper windows crappy filesystem ;)
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2575[19:51:24] <Doxin> greycat: still no clue what format the disk actually is. mount refused to mount it. file manager had no issue
2576[19:51:33] <greycat> Doxin: fdisk -l
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2578[19:51:37] <Doxin> unborn: there's someone elses files on it that I cannot throw away
2579[19:51:39] <jhutchins_wk> unborn: It has someone else's data on it.
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2581[19:52:34] <Doxin> I got it rsyncing stuff onto it
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2584[19:52:49] <jhutchins_wk> If it mounted in the filemanager, mount should say what it is if he still cares.
2585[19:53:29] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: Well, while that 1.8TB runs, you might go drive shopping.
2586[19:53:31] <unborn> Doxin: ah I see.. still - in emergency use it as backup disk but that disk format will not preserve any permissions and other stuff. 3g...is that what windows 10 is using? someone give me heads up please.
2587[19:53:54] <greycat> ntfs-3g is the FUSE file system driver for Linux
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2590[19:54:11] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: I'm doing bare essentials right now, the usb drive is only 500g
2591[19:54:17] <Doxin> but yeah drive shopping it is
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2593[19:54:56] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: We haven't done absolutely thorough diagnosis on the drive yet, but I'd wait until the backup was done anyway.
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2595[19:55:43] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Oh, yeah, that means it doesn't work with a conventional mount command as root?
2596[19:56:25] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" just worked for me.
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2600[19:56:51] <jhutchins_wk> Ok. Who knows? At least he's got it working.
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2603[19:57:07] <jhutchins_wk> The only version of 3g I used was pre-fuse.
2604[19:57:15] <unborn> perhaps he could create folder in /mnt and then mount it like -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb-whatever /mnt/folder
2605[19:57:19] <unborn> then do backup?
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2608[19:57:45] <jhutchins_wk> Frankly I've used the kernel driver for rw and it worked fine for me, but that was a while back - +10 years.
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2610[19:58:05] <jhutchins_wk> unborn: He's already copying files to it.
2611[19:58:09] <greycat> That was the old NTFS, then.
2612[19:58:50] <unborn> - crap, I shall be quiet, man how do you read those msgs on screen and be able to reply on the time? - its me not you..
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2614[19:59:20] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah. The thing that got everybody excited is that Microsoft has a few exceptions to it's NTFS standard that started showing up around '01, and the only sign that you had an incompatible version was that the data was suddenly corrupt.
2615[19:59:37] <greycat> replaced-url
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2617[20:00:19] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: its churning away
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2621[20:01:01] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: The problem is the undocumented variations that started showing up post-NT4.
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2624[20:01:38] <unborn> i think problem is people are not aware
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2626[20:02:24] <jhutchins_wk> unborn: The problem is nobody makes backups BEFORE they destroy the data.
2627[20:02:41] <greycat> The ones who do, don't have to ask us for help.
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2629[20:03:23] <unborn> jhutchins_wk: that is precisely said - windows folks does not like that at all.
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2632[20:04:55] <unborn> greycat: not really.. unix was always seen as good guy on this.. linux is same.. windows practice is poor, and bad. Problem is within os which is also poor and bad.
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2634[20:05:26] <greycat> I have no idea what that has to do with "people don't make backups".
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2636[20:05:55] <unborn> greycat: I've just said it..
2637[20:06:40] <unborn> never mind. backups for windows users is just - bad experience and they do not know anything else regards this.. backups not working and most of the times they are useless
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2639[20:06:58] <unborn> so user often choose to not perform any backup
2640[20:07:10] <abrotman> That's an absurd assertion
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2642[20:07:21] <unborn> if they do choose to backup - usually it cost them some extra money
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2649[20:08:48] <unborn> so.. there you have reason for them to not make any backups.. even if that sounds as an absurd assertion to some other folks..for us and unix users its just like turning the light in your living room like part of our life.. for them its something like petrol in a car.
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2660[20:11:29] * unborn abrotman sure, I do remember it too. keep it like it is please..(I do not want any troubles) - if I am wrong just tell me please. I would appreciate this much more then ban or some kind of public flush down. In end of the day I am only human and I am trying to help others.
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2663[20:12:27] <FinalX-> you're trying to hold yet another OS-war, that's what's wrong.
2664[20:12:30] <mutante> unborn: how do you make backups of your Linux system? just curios
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2666[20:12:56] <unborn> FinalX: not at all. I am just saying my opinion how it is.
2667[20:13:38] <unborn> mutante: for my /home rsync - few files are done extra with git
2668[20:14:01] <Doxin> unborn: wont save your data in case of fire though ;)
2669[20:14:08] <FinalX> You present it like truth, which it's not. I work in an Enterprise environment that incorporates Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OS X and a whole wide range of Windows machines. I can assure you, the Windows backups work _just_ _fine_.
2670[20:14:09] <unborn> mutante: for /root also rsync but -d
2671[20:14:20] <unborn> every night
2672[20:14:35] <Doxin> you leave your computer running at night?
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2674[20:14:55] <FinalX> I make a ZFS snapshot every 15 minutes and rclone sync them to Google Suite's Drive's unlimited storage, every 15 minutes.
2675[20:14:55] <unborn> Doxin: till 11pm
2676[20:15:05] <Doxin> ah
2677[20:15:18] <r7st> well, i accidentally ran systemctl disable dhclient when i meant stop. is there a quick way to fix that?
2678[20:15:29] <Doxin> unborn: I was going to complain about the environment but nvm. (the outside environment that is, not the nerdy type)
2679[20:15:37] <greycat> r7st: systemctl enable dhclient
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2684[20:15:49] <r7st> greycat: disable removed the config
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2686[20:15:52] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: I would guess systemctl enable dhclient
2687[20:15:53] <unborn> FinalX: I work in corporate things like gov.. I know windows backups works fine.. how many of them you restored? I guess you would say millions..
2688[20:16:03] <unborn> and I guess it was working for you :)
2689[20:16:11] <r7st> jhutchins Failed to execute operation: No such file or directory
2690[20:16:13] <greycat> I very strongly doubt "systemctl disable" removed any configuration files.
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2692[20:16:48] <r7st> greycat: from the man pages This removes all symlinks to the
2693[20:16:49] <r7st> specified unit files from the unit configuration directory,
2694[20:16:55] <r7st> so i guess the config files are there, but damn it
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2697[20:17:05] <mutante> unborn: got it, so you just connect an external harddisk and rsync?
2698[20:17:16] <greycat> r7st: perhaps dhclient *was* an alias.
2699[20:17:18] <unborn> FinalX: usually windows works.. - if you proper sysops you would never give windows backups go as you know its same rubbish as windows core.. just saying NOT AUGURING OR ANYTHING ELSE
2700[20:17:31] * abrotman notes Windows has rsync via cygwin (among others)
2701[20:17:35] <Doxin> unborn: that's patently false.
2702[20:17:40] <r7st> greycat: i am able to start it up with dhclient, and then restarting networking i am able to connect to wifi /sometimes/
2703[20:17:44] <r7st> but it randomly drops it too
2704[20:17:45] <greycat> wooledg:~$ find /lib/systemd -name '*dhclient*'
2705[20:17:45] <greycat> wooledg:~$
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2708[20:17:52] <unborn> mutante: no.. home server with ssh..
2709[20:18:07] <r7st> greycat: returns nothing
2710[20:18:13] <unborn> mutante: I wont walk around with some hdd attached to me..
2711[20:18:14] <greycat> I know. That's my point. It doesn't exist.
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2713[20:18:33] <r7st> how would i fix that?
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2715[20:18:41] <greycat> wooledg:~$ systemctl status dhclient
2716[20:18:41] <greycat> Unit dhclient.service could not be found.
2717[20:18:47] <mutante> unborn: aha.. well my problem is i have a laptop to backup and a VM in a remote data center, but not enough disk space and pushing all the data over my slow upload speed ... meh
2718[20:18:51] <greycat> What *IS* this thing of which you speak?
2719[20:19:00] <r7st> greycat: ● dhclient.service
2720[20:19:00] <r7st> Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
2721[20:19:00] <r7st> Active: inactive (dead)
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2723[20:19:17] <greycat> judd, file dhclient.service
2724[20:19:20] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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2726[20:19:35] <r7st> greycat: also thank you for helping me
2727[20:20:38] <unborn> mutante: there is couple of things you can do.. external dc you said.. purchase more data space and ask them to allow your nodes to be uploaded faster - they can do that - if not change the provider.. - I guess you cannot do that - well, buddy you got just what you paid for...
2728[20:20:56] <unborn> mutante: or setup home server and be free
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2730[20:21:19] <jhutchins_wk> dhclient doesn't run from init, I would not expect it to be managed by systemd.
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2735[20:21:51] <r7st> well, it worked fine until systemctl disable dhclient
2736[20:21:52] <unborn> no speed issues mutante on home server also no disk space issues - if your home server have big space.. you know this already.. why trolling me?
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2739[20:22:53] <Doxin> unborn: the problem with using a home server for backup is that you don't have anything offsite.
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2741[20:22:59] <TomTomTosch> r7st: do you have the output of that command in scrollback? it should just error out with no effect.
2742[20:23:03] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: Does dhclient eth0 not work?
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2744[20:23:07] <Doxin> unborn: a single unlucky thunder strike can kill your pc and your backups in one go.'
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2746[20:23:14] <Doxin> *lightning strike
2747[20:23:37] <unborn> Doxin: not really.. home server like mine is offsite - yeah its still in my home, but its off side from my machines..
2748[20:23:46] <r7st> TomTomTosch: it didn't return anything
2749[20:23:54] <Doxin> unborn: if the distance is <10km it's not offsite.
2750[20:23:56] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: Technically thunder probably wouldn't destroy backups. Lightning on the other hand...
2751[20:24:00] <r7st> jhutchins_wk eth0 works fine, and dhclient wlan0 works
2752[20:24:02] <r7st> sometimes
2753[20:24:04] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: yeah I did correct myself :P
2754[20:24:09] <unborn> Doxin: how many thunder strikes you have in your home in year?
2755[20:24:13] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: not sure what a thunder strike would look like :P
2756[20:24:30] <Doxin> unborn: lightning doesn't need to hit your home directly to kill your pc.
2757[20:24:37] <Doxin> unborn: copper wires are sneaky like that.
2758[20:24:47] * abrotman notes drives have shown errors due to sonic vibrations, potentially caused by .. thunder
2759[20:24:52] <unborn> Doxin: still.. can you answer me please? :)
2760[20:24:55] <r7st> the problem happened when i was unable to connect to a specific network. i only messed with /etc/network/interfaces, but when i restored to what it was, i couldn't connect to anything except at home
2761[20:25:08] <r7st> also eth0 works
2762[20:25:20] <Doxin> unborn: my house has been hit 0 times by lightning, but I've seen the sparks jump inside power sockets more than once.
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2765[20:25:46] <Doxin> unborn: and then there's flood risk in my case I suppose
2766[20:25:47] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: So network manager isn't getting addresses for the wlan0?
2767[20:25:51] <r7st> nope
2768[20:25:57] <r7st> then while trying to fix it i broke things more
2769[20:26:10] <Doxin> unborn: in any case backups are for when something unexpected happens. there are lots of unexpected things that can kill two computers located close together.
2770[20:26:18] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: Yeah, the systemctl thing might not have been what caused the problem.
2771[20:26:25] <greycat> I cannot find any evidence that there is a service named "dhclient" in Debian at all.
2772[20:26:28] <unborn> Doxin: sure..I guess you live there less then year.. how many times you thing you going to have lightning strikes in year then?
2773[20:26:37] <r7st> jhutchins it wasn't, but it sure made it worse
2774[20:26:37] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: wlan0 should not be in /etc/network/interfaces
2775[20:26:39] <Doxin> I've lived here more than a year
2776[20:26:42] <unborn> - ah all those freaking if and what if..
2777[20:26:46] <Doxin> unborn: I've lived here 21 years now :P
2778[20:26:56] * abrotman had wlan0 in his interfaces file
2779[20:26:56] <r7st> jhutchins should i just remove it entirely?
2780[20:27:04] <unborn> Doxin: sure, do you backup as you like
2781[20:27:07] <jhutchins_wk> Would you two please take it to -offtopic if you have to continue?
2782[20:27:16] <Doxin> unborn: I will
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2785[20:27:31] <r7st> currently i have auto wlan0
2786[20:27:32] <r7st> iface wlan0 inet dhcproot
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2788[20:27:44] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: wlan0 from interfaces? Yes if you want to manage it with NM.
2789[20:27:44] <somiaj> need to set up a simple redirector from http to https, doesn't appear this can be done with iptables, would lighttpd be a light weight solution to just have a webserver running to redirect traffic to https?
2790[20:27:45] <abrotman> dhcproot ?
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2792[20:27:49] <unborn> Doxin: Im too old for what if and ifs ... Im adult you know.
2793[20:27:51] <Guest_> courtest of me j4
2794[20:28:07] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: nginx?
2795[20:28:10] <Doxin> unborn: so why backup at all then?
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2798[20:28:23] <unborn> Doxin: if you happy to handle your private data out to 3th companies - do so.
2799[20:28:26] <unborn> Im not
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2801[20:28:40] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: I could use that too, think running a webserver is overkill for this, and I only know apache, so unsure which light solution would to use.
2802[20:28:42] <r7st> jhutchins well, i think i need to fix the dhclient thing first though, because the wirless won't start on boot anymore
2803[20:28:46] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: You're not trying to redirect generic traffic, but traffic to a specific server, right?
2804[20:28:57] <Doxin> unborn: in an ideal world I'd not.
2805[20:28:57] <r7st> i have to disable and renable the device
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2808[20:29:14] <abrotman> somiaj: the iptables doesn't work because of the protocol difference?
2809[20:29:16] <unborn> I would always prefer backup to my home server rather somewhere out. anyway Doxin this is off topic.. so
2810[20:29:23] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: unborn Please take it to -offtopic. This is not a support discussion.
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2812[20:29:39] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: yeah, sorry.
2813[20:29:54] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: I have an ssl app running on a high port, currently iptables forwards trafic from https -> high port (because the app isn't running as root), but replaced-url
2814[20:30:04] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: thanks for the help btw.
2815[20:30:05] <unborn> jhutchins_wk: thanks.. i was just saying it
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2817[20:30:17] <somiaj> abrotman: I'm unsure on here, I would like to do a redirect (which I think is some http protocol) as opposed to just forwarding the trafice from port 80.
2818[20:30:17] <r7st> also on boot it hangs with a LSB something-or-other message for over a minute, but it did that before the dhclient thing
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2821[20:30:28] <jhutchins_wk> Doxin: Good luck recovering.
2822[20:30:48] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: I've got a backup of the essentials and a new drive on the way
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2824[20:30:55] <abrotman> somiaj: are you just trying to rediret 80 or actual HTTP traffic?
2825[20:31:13] <unborn> somiaj: apache or nginx?
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2829[20:31:30] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: For inbound traffic, either apache or nginx can do a simple redirect/rewrite rule.
2830[20:31:31] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: should be all back to normal by tomorrow
2831[20:31:52] <abrotman> somiaj: but yes, lighttpd can do this
2832[20:31:57] <abrotman> as can nginx/apache
2833[20:32:02] <Doxin> jhutchins_wk: yay for next-day shipping.
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2836[20:32:14] <`Kevin> most any httpd can redirect :)
2837[20:32:16] <somiaj> abrotman: actual http trafic. replaced-url
2838[20:32:20] <r7st> i could try removing anything referring to wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces, would that be a good idea?
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2840[20:32:31] <`Kevin> somiaj: we need to know what http daemon you are using
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2844[20:32:40] <abrotman> I don't think he has one currently
2845[20:32:46] <`Kevin> ah
2846[20:32:52] <somiaj> `Kevin: it is part of sagemath, twisted from python running on a high port like 8000
2847[20:32:53] <unborn> some stuff are different from nginx and apache guys.. just saing
2848[20:32:54] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: I would recommend that, and manage wlan0 with NM. That gives you the flexibility to switch networks easily.
2849[20:33:01] <unborn> *saying
2850[20:33:11] <r7st> jhutchins ok! here goes
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2852[20:33:53] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: The rule is that if it's listed in interfaces, NM won't try to manage it.
2853[20:34:02] <r7st> jhutchins Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. when i run ifup wlan0
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2859[20:34:33] <`Kevin> somiaj: if sagemath or whatever is terminating http connections then that might be too specific for this channel
2860[20:35:04] <`Kevin> somiaj: if you have something in front of sagemath such as apache, nginx, haproxy, varnish or etc then things are easier
2861[20:35:16] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: If it's not defined in interfaces, ifup won't bring it up.
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2864[20:35:33] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: There is nm-cli if you need to manage it from the console.
2865[20:35:45] <somiaj> `Kevin: yea, I'm not worried about that part (though this could be an xy problem), I was just seeing if there was a simple tool to do an http -> https redirect I could run on port 80, but the only solution I can seem to think of is running a webserver like lighttp (or something else) to do the redirect.
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2867[20:36:04] <`Kevin> somiaj: yea understood :)
2868[20:36:15] <jhutchins_wk> !networking
2869[20:36:15] <dpkg> For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see replaced-url
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2871[20:36:25] <unborn> somiaj: crucial answer would be good if you tell what server.. ?
2872[20:36:27] <somiaj> `Kevin: nope, it runs its own server from python, and is kinda all bundeled in a python virtual enviromrnet, I'll just go with running a websever for the redirect, thanks.
2873[20:36:32] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: That's the only way I've seen it done.
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2878[20:37:02] <`Kevin> somiaj: you need to return a 301 or 302 HTTP redirect, iptables isnt ideal due to the L7 payload requirement (http header)
2879[20:37:02] <unborn> ...or did I miss it again? man am like 90years old oldie
2880[20:37:03] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: okay, kinda what I thought, was just double checking / looking for suggestions ona light server to do the redirect.
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2883[20:37:18] <somiaj> `Kevin: thanks for the confirmation.
2884[20:37:22] <r7st`> hello from wifi!
2885[20:38:07] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: I see that a lot, python or java server on a high port with nginx forwarding :80 to :8080 or whatever.
2886[20:38:16] <r7st`> jhutchins thanks!
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2888[20:38:29] <r7st`> now to see if things work on reboot, i'll be back!
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2890[20:38:38] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: People tend to use nginx for that because they don't need the whole apache capability.
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2893[20:38:49] <r7st`> jhutchins_wk: busybox httpd for life
2894[20:38:50] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: so you would suggest nginx of lighttpd for this?
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2896[20:39:21] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: I can't speak to that, never touched lighttpd.
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2902[20:40:15] <unborn> jhutchins: no way lighttpd is better then nginx or apache..
2903[20:40:28] <unborn> its lighter but now way better.
2904[20:41:04] <unborn> if he uses nginx - stay with it man
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2907[20:41:20] <r7st> oh my god that seems to have fixed everything
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2909[20:41:51] <jhutchins_wk> unborn: It would be wise to be less judgemental about it. lighttpd might be better for some things under some conditions. If there are two programs in linux and one is clearly better than the other, the better one wins.
2910[20:42:03] <`Kevin> unborn: apache is very light as well when you unload modules
2911[20:42:23] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: Just gotta hold your tongue right.
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2913[20:42:38] <r7st> i was wondering if you might go into a little more detail about what i did wrong and why removing wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces fixed my problem? i just want to make sure i understand what happened
2914[20:42:40] <`Kevin> somiaj: in this case use what you are most comfortable with or has the best community support if not familiar
2915[20:43:00] <jhutchins_wk> `Kevin: Somebody was trying to run Apache modules on nginx the other day. I think they missed the whole point.
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2917[20:43:09] <`Kevin> somiaj: if you go with apache disable as many modules as you can outside of mod_redirect and such
2918[20:43:14] <`Kevin> jhutchins_wk: wow
2919[20:43:20] <somiaj> `Kevin: thanks, though only familar with apache and that seems overkill for this.
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2921[20:43:37] <unborn> jhutchins_wk: I've been using lightttpd and - had to simply switch over apache.. apache is very well lightwell for anything lighttpd does.. so.. - also been using nginx for long time - also better alternative..
2922[20:43:37] <`Kevin> somiaj: indeed thou if you unload the modules it is very stripped down
2923[20:43:39] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: You can either configure an interface in the interfaces file, or you can manage it with NM. Can't do both on the same interface.
2924[20:43:57] <jordila> when running '$ iptables-restore < /etc/network/iptables.up.rules' ( << replaced-url
2925[20:44:00] <NoMiddle_> Hello, how work lts on debian? Can I found a version lts or what?
2926[20:44:04] <NoMiddle_> works
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2928[20:44:21] <r7st> jhutchins_wk: thank you. how does wpa_supplicant come in to play though?
2929[20:44:24] <unborn> `Kevin: as I was saying.. also I am to slow to respond - Im only human ;)
2930[20:44:26] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: People tend to do static config in interfaces - you don't even have to run NM then. If you need to switch networks and move around (like wifi often does), you don't want to be editing that file every time, so you use NM.
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2932[20:45:15] <jhutchins_wk> NoMiddle_: lts is usually an abbreviation for "Long Term Support". Are you asking about a specific program?
2933[20:45:17] <r7st> jhutchins_wk: i've been using wicd-client to connect to new networks, and it does it automatically when i go back to one i have visited. i suppose it rewirtes the file for me?
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2935[20:45:59] <NoMiddle_> jhutchins_wk: how long last support for debian stable?
2936[20:46:03] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: No, wicd and NM store the configurations in other places. They also allow users to manage the network without being root, so it's probably in a hidden file in $HOME.
2937[20:46:33] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: Also: Don't try to run both wicd and NM.
2938[20:46:36] <greycat> NoMiddle_: usually one year after the next release, but then there's also LTS (long term support) which varies.
2939[20:46:39] <greycat> !lts
2940[20:46:39] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see replaced-url
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2942[20:47:36] <NoMiddle_> Oh, I got it!
2943[20:47:40] <NoMiddle_> Thanks you!
2944[20:47:46] <r7st> jhutchins_wk: i'm not sure if i am, i hope not. nothing in services --status-all
2945[20:47:52] <jordila> !wheezy-lts
2946[20:47:52] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
2947[20:48:06] <r7st> jhutchins_wk: er, just wicd i mean
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2949[20:48:32] <jordila> !jessie-lts
2950[20:48:36] <unborn> NoMiddle_: if you like to read it in gui format replaced-url
2951[20:48:56] <unborn> 8.0
2952[20:48:56] <unborn> Jessie
2953[20:48:56] <unborn> April 25th 2015
2954[20:48:56] <unborn> ~June 6th 2018 (full) / ~June 6th 2020 (LTS)
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2958[20:49:15] <abrotman> drat
2959[20:49:18] <unborn> ah :)
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2969[20:51:50] <dom9> does universal usb installer work with current debian live images
2970[20:52:05] <dom9> i tried a netinst the other day and it said it was trying to read from the CD
2971[20:52:06] <unborn> abrotman: why are you so drat with me? past hour or more - did I suggest anything bad to users or ? - what is drat with you?
2972[20:52:17] <greycat> !uefi live
2973[20:52:17] <dpkg> Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <replaced-url
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2977[20:53:24] <dom9> oh yeah i think i have uefi so what should i download
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2979[20:53:54] <r7st> jhutchins_wk: man you saved me, really appreciate it. i might be using network-manager AND wicd, i have no idea. either way it is working. any idea why i can't connect to that one network at the cafe? never had issues anywhere else
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2981[20:54:07] <unborn> dom9: replaced-url
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2985[20:54:56] <CtrlAltDefeat> how do i make usb keyboards work in single user mode? the moment i enter it, my keyboard becomes unresponsive(but works perfectly fine outside of it)
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2988[20:55:28] <greycat> Sounds like a motherboard/firmware thing. On my PC at home, I can't use half of the USB ports at the GRUB menu, but I can use the other half.
2989[20:55:43] <unborn> abrotman: ?
2990[20:56:19] <CtrlAltDefeat> well, the usb wont work on any of the ports, so i hav eno idea how i could fix this
2991[20:56:45] <dom9> is there anything special you need for intel wireless-n 7260
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2994[20:57:01] <dom9> i actually installed debian earlier but i forgot that i needed networking
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2998[20:57:20] <dom9> can i just get networking enabled and upgrade?
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3000[20:57:29] <unborn> dom9: replaced-url
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3002[20:57:38] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: They might be using some sort of "captive" thing where you have to log in.
3003[20:57:49] <unborn> dom9: it does tell you everything you would need
3004[20:59:01] <unborn> dom9: because you using non free wifi.. I would suggest you to download net install from this page replaced-url
3005[20:59:22] <mutante> CtrlAltDefeat: what greycat said, if you have multiple USB ports, try the ones that are in the back rather than the front. the ones that are less "directly on the board" somehow dont work for me
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3007[20:59:43] <greycat> (or conversely try the front instead of the back)
3008[20:59:55] <CtrlAltDefeat> i tried every single port, i've got 2 in the front and 2 in the back, neither work
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3010[21:00:45] <dom9> unborn: can i install this on a nonDVD
3011[21:00:47] <jordila> why am i getting "iptables-restore: line 1 failed" when trying to set '-A INPUT -d 224.0.0.251 -s 192.168.122.1 -j ACCEPT' ?
3012[21:01:07] <dom9> unborn: err, how much space does a blank CD (nonDVD) have
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3014[21:01:25] <unborn> dom9: you mean like usb install or booting up from bios?
3015[21:01:39] <greycat> a standard CD is 650 MB or so, IIRC
3016[21:01:48] <phogg> 703M max
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3018[21:01:50] <dom9> unborn: oh ok i thought a standard CD was 80 MB
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3021[21:02:09] <dom9> i'll install it on a CD
3022[21:02:11] <r7st> jhutchins_wk: maybe. i don't like that shop anyway :)
3023[21:02:21] <unborn> dom9: debian for sure provide those option.. for net install you looking for about 150mb.. is that too much for you?
3024[21:02:26] <unborn> ah I see it is
3025[21:02:26] <r7st> its one of those places where you can't find anything that isn't gluten free and vegan
3026[21:02:42] <dom9> unborn: no it's just that usb always tells me something's needed on CD
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3029[21:03:27] <unborn> dom9: well this is just naked system base - you would have to select what you want to install.
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3032[21:03:54] <dom9> unborn oh i know it's 80 minutes of audio not 80 MB
3033[21:03:57] <unborn> dom9: its best way to install debian it self as I know. also with gui if you need one.
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3035[21:04:52] <unborn> dom9: its 266mb of files.. not an audio
3036[21:05:07] <unborn> audio is something else then iso
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3038[21:06:27] <mutante> a CD has about 650mb of space
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3040[21:06:36] <jhutchins_wk> dom9: We frequently see that problem when people use unetbootin on Windows to create the drive.
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3042[21:07:01] <greycat> 650 MB is the standard, and 700 MB is the real amount offered by most physical implementations, I think
3043[21:07:04] <greycat> it's ... weird.
3044[21:07:10] <jhutchins_wk> dom9: There is an image that's meant for systems that can't boot off of a CD, it looks for the CD after it boots.
3045[21:07:23] <unborn> okay audio can be same in iso but dom9 its nothing like audio.. anyway just checked download size and its about 266mb.. nothing more or less.
3046[21:07:35] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: 700 is sort of an "extended play" version.
3047[21:07:53] <abrotman> unborn: ?
3048[21:07:55] <abrotman> unborn: ?
3049[21:08:05] <dom9> I'm going to start learning how to boot from usb
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3051[21:08:30] <unborn> dom9: replaced-url
3052[21:08:42] <greycat> Most people have probably figured it out by now, but certain people here tend to ramble incoherently. When that happens, just don't pay attention.
3053[21:09:16] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
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3057[21:10:32] <unborn> abrotman: if that ? mark was for not understanding me.. please read back-log on irc if that was regards the latest question I've replied please read it. - I've asked why are you so dart with me and about me.. see it in back logs...
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3059[21:10:37] <dionysus69> hello!
3060[21:10:55] * jhutchins_wk reminds people about /ignore
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3062[21:11:21] * unborn that is actually great thing
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3064[21:11:38] <unborn> .. but I will wait for his reply
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3066[21:12:01] <dionysus69> i am looking for advise on open source hypervisor, which i could use in business environment
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3069[21:12:29] <unborn> no one should be forced to do this within gnu os and community, its just - freaking wrong
3070[21:12:46] <teraflops> dionysus69: xen and kvm
3071[21:13:14] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: virtualbox seems to work very well.
3072[21:13:32] <dionysus69> virtualbox is not a hypervysor is it?
3073[21:13:44] <dionysus69> you launch it on an os
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3075[21:13:59] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: Right, not in that sense.
3076[21:14:00] <orb> I guess the term hypervisor needs to be looked at.
3077[21:14:31] <teraflops> oh well it is, I think
3078[21:14:31] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: I don't know of an OS bare-metal hypervisor.
3079[21:14:47] <dionysus69> i mean something like esxi but free of charge, anyways thanks teraflops ill take a look at both of them
3080[21:14:50] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: Oh, wait, there's the open version of Solaris.
3081[21:14:55] <teraflops> dionysus69: xen or kvm, kvm is mor friendly IMO
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3083[21:15:06] <orb> Citrix Xenserver has served very well for me.
3084[21:15:07] <dionysus69> ok ill start with kvm
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3087[21:15:14] <unborn> teraflops already answered....
3088[21:15:15] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: Those require an OS layer though, don't they?
3089[21:15:41] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: sure
3090[21:16:05] <teraflops> dionysus69: you can use vbox with kvm too
3091[21:16:28] <teraflops> not that I consider vbox an enterprise thing…
3092[21:16:53] <teraflops> you can use vagrant with it though
3093[21:17:17] <`Kevin> theres an `os` layer always in emulation, esxi is based on a linux kernel so yea///
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3096[21:17:41] <dionysus69> hmm i am looking for baremetal solution that has least performance penalty
3097[21:18:06] <teraflops> dionysus69: talking about _my_ experience, a ready for business thingy is proxmoxVE
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3099[21:18:17] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: smartos
3100[21:18:23] <dionysus69> omg no
3101[21:18:28] <dionysus69> theres too many options :D
3102[21:18:32] <dionysus69> I need to start from few
3103[21:18:42] <dionysus69> dont tell me anything more than that xD xD
3104[21:18:46] <teraflops> dionysus69: not really, xen or kvm is the way to go
3105[21:18:50] <jhutchins_wk> smartos is a version of Solaris.
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3107[21:18:52] <`Kevin> dionysus69: just use kvm or if you are worried about performance use containers
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3112[21:19:31] <dionysus69> you mean docker?
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3114[21:19:36] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: It is a bare-metal hypervisor.
3115[21:19:37] <teraflops> or lxc
3116[21:19:54] <teraflops> so it runs solaris…
3117[21:20:00] <teraflops> an OS
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3122[21:20:41] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: No, it doesn't run solaris, it runs smartos. Solaris/smartos are hypervisor OSs like ESXI (which is an OS).
3123[21:21:11] <teraflops> esxi is a linux thingy, doesnt it'
3124[21:21:13] <teraflops> ?
3125[21:21:16] <teraflops> anyway
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3129[21:22:19] <teraflops> dionysus69: it depends on your needs. hard to recommend anything.
3130[21:22:26] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: Yeah, I believe they derived it from RH, but could be some other *nix.
3131[21:22:26] <`Kevin> ^
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3133[21:22:44] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: The two he's listed are "free" and "bare metal".
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3137[21:24:29] <Joel> any way to not run pre/post install scripts? I was thinking this was what the --no-triggers was for, but doesn't seem to be the case
3138[21:24:47] <dionysus69> i have started with esxi but stopped when it failed to launch on Vbox and I read it violated linux license and it was sued by linux foundation.
3139[21:24:58] <dionysus69> you have to be talented to violate linux license I imagine
3140[21:25:07] <teraflops> dionysus69: you can go with several nodes running proxmoxVE and inside docker or ansible + vagrant, or a bunch of minions (kubernetes) + salt or ansible. or you can choose openstack, or libvirt …
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3142[21:25:33] <CtrlAltDefeat> i just booted from a usb, how do i mount my -real- disk so i can edit configs there?
3143[21:25:36] <dionysus69> I dont know half of those words you mentioned in your sentence
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3145[21:25:42] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: You don't want to run a hypervisor on a virtual machine.
3146[21:25:49] <dionysus69> I just have one machine I want to run this one
3147[21:25:51] <teraflops> dionysus69: lucky you :P
3148[21:26:11] <dionysus69> on* which will need to then run win 2008 server and possibly other linux for networking and everything else
3149[21:26:18] <GNU\colossus> is /etc/hdparm.conf actually honoured on jessie and later?
3150[21:26:48] <teraflops> dionysus69: virt-manager sounds fine then I think
3151[21:26:53] <jhutchins_wk> !hdparm
3152[21:26:53] <dpkg> it has been said that hdparm is the HD tuning tool. It's also very dangerous, don't blame us if it makes you lose data. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read replaced-url
3153[21:27:09] <teraflops> GNU\colossus: idk, try it and see
3154[21:28:13] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: it's called nested virtualization and works fine
3155[21:29:15] <blackflow> "fine" :)
3156[21:30:08] <unborn> teraflops: 1+ for gnu/colossus
3157[21:30:19] <teraflops> blackflow: heh
3158[21:30:23] <teraflops> I never had issues running openstack inside proxmox nodes
3159[21:30:33] <teraflops> KVM
3160[21:30:52] <blackflow> teraflops: kvm inside kvm?
3161[21:31:02] <teraflops> yep
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3163[21:31:06] <unborn> kvm - also proxmox have nothing to do with debian....
3164[21:31:19] <teraflops> we are not talking about debian
3165[21:31:21] <blackflow> well, kvm does, it's in the kernel :)
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3168[21:34:25] <unborn> teraflops: i know.. - why not.. in end of the day you all ops are hardcore about only debian issues.. why then? kvm or other things I know about.. well.. it just show true face who is allowed to talk about thing and what things are allowed to discuss...
3169[21:34:47] <teraflops> ok man
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3178[21:38:45] <LufyCZ_> Hi, I have a quick question: When I connect my wifi adapter directly to my device with an usb-c to a adapter, is see it in my interface list, but when I put a usb hub between it, i doesnt even though its listed in lsusb
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3182[21:39:54] <jolt> LufyCZ_: Not sure, but maybe it cannot power itself on the hub? Is the hub powered?
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3187[21:41:05] <LufyCZ_> I can try it
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3193[21:42:18] <dysfigured> just saw this on reddit replaced-url
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3196[21:43:25] <jolt> Haha
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3231[21:53:59] <unborn> dysfigured: that is off topic - same like this : replaced-url
3232[21:54:10] <unborn> anyway good night
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3238[21:56:11] <abrotman> unborn: I cannot read your backlogs
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3240[21:57:13] <greycat> I wouldn't want to.
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3243[21:57:30] <unborn> abrotman: well.. you as an op should do.. I do not keep them on my system - sorry. anyway I've asked why you are so rant with me? no back logs need it.
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3247[21:58:15] <unborn> abrotman: I wont ask again.. did it 3 times now..
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3257[22:00:42] <unborn> abrotman: not mine.. yours.. you are the one who is keeping insulting me in any way you can at any option you can.. not my logs - your logs.. I thought you would figured this out by now
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3260[22:01:35] <unborn> as I said - no on in gnu/linux should experience this.
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3263[22:05:48] * abrotman gives up trying to interpret that
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3271[22:08:51] <unborn> you did not interpreted this at all.. despite asked you more then 3 times.. you know what.. hutchins was right - i totally forgot to use ingore function, which is good time to learn it again. have nice day abrotman
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3281[22:12:45] <abrotman> *sniff*
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3285[22:14:20] <Guest_> abrotman i did not schedule a neurosurgeon
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3289[22:16:00] <ryanrudolf> hi everyone
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3291[22:17:00] <dom9> ok i'm in debian
3292[22:17:57] <ryanrudolf> have a question, im using debian stretch netinst ISO and then changed the apt sources.list to sid. apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but OS-Release still says Stretch.
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3294[22:18:31] <secretcash> hi Bily.
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3297[22:18:40] <dax> sid isn't a separate distribution, and release information in sid will be the same as whatever is in testing at any given time
3298[22:18:48] <dax> so, in this case, stretch
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3303[22:19:56] <greycat> Uploads to sid are a bit suppressed now, due to the freeze. People are going to hold on to new and exciting (= broken) packages for a while.
3304[22:20:08] <greycat> When stretch is released and the freeze ends, expect all hell to break loose in sid.
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3307[22:21:39] <LufyCZ_> Still doesnt work
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3312[22:23:19] <jim> hi, what's the difference between dhcp3-server and isc-dhcp-server? does it hurt to have them both installed?
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3315[22:23:36] <dionysus69> teraflops: proxmox looks great. it was too daunting for me to dig in vanilla kvm qemu xen topics ... :S
3316[22:25:45] <jhutchins_wk> jim: Installed no. Running both would take some careful configuration.
3317[22:25:54] <teraflops> I agree but don't ask for proxmoxVE support here hehe
3318[22:26:31] <LufyCZ_> I have a usb c to a adapter to connect my wifi adapter to it. It shows up in my interface list, but when I connect it through a USB hub, it only shows in lsusb
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3322[22:27:17] <ryanrudolf> @dax and @greycat - thank you for the info. appreciate it. guess i have to minimize doing the apt-get upgrade when Stretch gets released
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3325[22:29:03] <jim> jhutchins_wk, poked around a little, come to find dhcp3-server depends on the isc one
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3330[22:31:27] <jim> ryanrudolf if you have named releases in your sources.list (like stretch or jessie) you won't get surprised upon release as you would if you had stable or testing instead
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3332[22:32:01] <greycat> He's running sid.
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3334[22:32:22] <jim> oh, he gets surprised all the time then
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3338[22:33:58] <jim> it works! -surprise!-
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3340[22:35:33] <jim> anyway, thanks jhutchins_wk... I have a config file from the old machine that's likely going to work
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3414[23:08:01] <r7st> small problem, wifi working fine now, but when i bring wlan0 down, then eth0 up, they both come up, get an ip for wlan0 but not eth0
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3453[23:21:10] <shell0ck> hi all
3454[23:21:20] <shell0ck> /msg NickServ
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3509[23:44:15] <Pr0metheus> is xsessionrc safe to use for starting applications after login in xfce
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3536[23:58:24] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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3539[23:58:55] <tobiasBora> I have a port on a server that I'd like to contact, telnet from localhost works, but not from elsewhere
3540[23:59:36] <tobiasBora> I tried to look in the iptables to see if there is a firewall: replaced-url
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