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2[00:01:10] <jmcnaught> edju: is "remove flash altogether" an option?
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6[00:02:29] <edju> jmcnaught, A lot of news sites use it. Very few, if any, have html5.
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8[00:02:35] <jmcnaught> edju: replaced-url
9[00:02:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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13[00:03:16] <edju> lmcloughlin, Thanks. Will read.
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15[00:03:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> edju, you can always download the .so yourself and put it in place of the old one
16[00:03:59] <jmcnaught> edju: there's also this that uses pepperflash from chrome in firefox/iceweasel: replaced-url
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19[00:04:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> edju, the installer depends on someone putting up the signature for the new version, which apparently hasnt happened
20[00:04:30] <jmcnaught> edju: i haven't done it, just read the instructions carefully, you just need to install a package from jessie-backports (the compilation instructions are historical)
21[00:04:35] <jhutchins> He's usally pretty good about keeping that up-to-date.
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23[00:05:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> *shrug*
24[00:05:31] <unborn> markybob: any info about current release support? I mean when it will finish?
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27[00:05:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> someone asked yesterday and said --status shows a new version for some weeks now (a statement I cannot check for correctness)
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29[00:06:20] <jmcnaught> unborn: Debian releases get support for one year after the next release, and some releases get additional LTS updates (but normally only server software is covered by LTS)
30[00:06:24] <markybob> unborn: replaced-url
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32[00:06:42] <jhutchins> Was there something about i386 backports being dropped?
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36[00:07:47] <unborn> jmcnaught: markybob cheers guys.. that is great news!
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40[00:08:58] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: not that i heard about, except maybe for that particular package because pepperflash is extracted from chrome which is only 64-bit now
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46[00:10:10] <andril> you like ataldis
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63[00:19:27] <ataldis> andril: nice clock there. :)
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86[00:30:58] <edju> jmcnaught, Thanks again. installed pepperflash and it. so far, works.
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91[00:31:47] <andril> :)
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276[01:53:47] <chomwitt> i have 2 computers (debian 8 , ubuntu 16.04) with relatively new mobos+cpu but hibernation wont work without severe flaws. is that feature so difficult to implement? do u guys have better experience ? (only in a laptop of mine will work)
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280[01:54:33] <mutante> chomwitt: the "relatively new" part might actually a bad thing in this case
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283[01:55:01] <mutante> and yea, issues with hibernation are super common for some reason
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285[01:55:25] <mutante> i think it's a combo of "hard" and bad hardware manufacturer docs
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321[02:17:22] <jmcnaught> chomwitt: what happens? does it fail to hibernate? fail to resume? Did you check the logs? Do you have sufficient swap space?
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375[02:42:13] <pushpop> anyone a college student in here.
376[02:42:34] <bazhang> pushpop, why
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400[02:47:07] <Hydroxide> pushpop: if you want to talk about things other than Debian user support, please do that in #debian-offtopic which is meant for such conversations.
401[02:47:41] <pushpop> my bad
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499[03:37:00] <mrrhq> Hi, I'm wondering if there is a way with regular APT tools to find out the date of a package, from its version.
500[03:38:16] <markybob> mrrhq: that doesnt make a lot of sense in a stable distro like debian. do you mean if it has security problems?
501[03:38:36] <jmcnaught> mrrhq: you can run "apt-get changelog <package>" to see a timestamped changelog for a package
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510[03:45:44] <mrrhq> jmcnaught: Thanks a lot, that one is really useful. Missed it when reading the manpage.
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522[03:55:15] <chomwitt> jmcnaught: swap must be ok. maybe is the gpus. cause when it resumes the scren goes wild
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532[04:04:14] <jmcnaught> chomwitt: so you have more swap than memory? what GPU drivers do you use? can you check the logs?
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572[04:32:03] <mundus2018> Is there any kind of tech support channel?
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576[04:33:14] <polyzen> well there's ##electronics
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579[04:36:53] <polyzen> you're welcome
580[04:38:45] <n_blownapart> hi anyone give me a quick lesson in setting up a second monitor on debian 8? I can't figure out how to use xrandr etc. also...does the cable lead from the primary monitor? I don't know what to call the cable.
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582[04:39:37] <n_blownapart> I've tried this : 'xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1'
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596[04:45:01] <silverfall> when will "apt-get install *" get me every package ever existed?
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601[04:46:49] <silverfall> and "apt-get remove *"
602[04:47:05] <lszyba1> Hello, I have a raid6 with 14 drives. I've failed, removed,replaced then readded 2 drives. sync completed, but the 2 drives are marked as spare...12 active ,2 spare...how do I make them active again? is there a command I'm missing?
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609[04:53:34] <n_blownapart> hi I'm hoping to get help setting up a second monitor on debian 8 gnome. any takers?
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611[04:53:39] <sje46> silverfall: Nope.
612[04:53:52] <sje46> * will be replaced with all the files in the current directory
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614[04:54:46] <sje46> bash expands * into the file names without even knowing what the command you want to run is
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620[04:57:14] <silverfall> * already works as all the files in the current directory
621[04:57:30] <silverfall> I don't care about the syntax anyway
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623[04:58:06] <warsoul> where can i order a desktop with debian installed
624[04:58:07] <warsoul> ?
625[04:58:23] <silverfall> you can't order that, it's not like a pizza
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627[04:58:57] <warsoul> silverfall once i saw a web that you could order it
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629[04:59:07] <Artemis3> replaced-url
630[04:59:23] <silverfall> you can ask for it to any business selling computers
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633[05:00:15] <warsoul> thanks
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636[05:00:28] <silverfall> but there's no point in doing so
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638[05:01:32] <jbitdrop> can sb help? I am trying to help irc user ocbtec (offline) to repair his fresh Debian installation. he only gets a blinking cursor even before grub. its a fresh Debian testing daily build iso installed from USB stick to SSD.
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640[05:03:19] <sje46> silverfall: * already works as all the files in the current directory <-- I know, I just told you that.
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644[05:03:47] <sje46> do you actually want to install every package onto your system?
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648[05:04:12] <jbitdrop> he frequenly installs Debian and never had such issues. He installed accidently via install UI mode (he rather prefers the other) and has partitioned manually (root,usr,var,swap,tmp,home) and set the bootable flag for / (root). when he got asked about where to install grub he choose /dev/sda (the one the Debian gets installed to)
649[05:04:25] <silverfall> no, you said "* will be replaced with", if you said "* is replaced with" I think i'd remember
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651[05:04:51] <sje46> silverfall: I have no idea what you're on about. What's the actual problem here?
652[05:05:04] <silverfall> sje46: uh?
653[05:05:18] <silverfall> what's wrong with this person?
654[05:05:20] <sje46> You're confusing me. Do you have a problem you want solved?
655[05:05:32] <sje46> Or are you just curious about how glob works?
656[05:05:41] <sje46> (glob is what we call "*")
657[05:05:53] <silverfall> may i ask you for a favor?
658[05:06:01] <sje46> You can ask
659[05:06:04] <silverfall> leave me alone
660[05:06:10] <sje46> Erm.
661[05:06:14] <sje46> Alright, you asked.
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663[05:06:29] <sje46> I'll grant you that much. Your asking.
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667[05:09:00] <jbitdrop> hm ...
668[05:09:11] <jmcnaught> jbitdrop: can he boot the install disk in rescue mode?
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673[05:09:39] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell jbitdrop about testing installer
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676[05:11:29] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: thanks for your reply. he cant start in rescue mode since he gets the blinking cursor in the very first moment after bios period passed by.
677[05:11:36] <cluelessperson> sudo echo -n 120 > /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/serio2/speed
678[05:11:41] <cluelessperson> question, how do I make this work?
679[05:11:54] <cluelessperson> sudo echo -n 120 > sudo file ?
680[05:11:58] <cluelessperson> nope
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683[05:13:00] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: Images for the "testing" release, both daily builds and known working snapshots, see the Debian-Installer page. Source: replaced-url
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686[05:13:58] <jbitdrop> cluelessperson: sudo twice looks pretty wrong ...
687[05:14:12] <cluelessperson> jbitdrop, yeah, why I said "nope"
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690[05:14:58] <sje46> Whenever I'm in that situatin I just su.
691[05:15:14] <sje46> Any reason why you can't do this, cluelessperson ?
692[05:15:30] <sje46> or are you just curious if there's a way to do it without su
693[05:15:37] <cluelessperson> sje46, curiout
694[05:15:41] <jbitdrop> cluelessperson: the firsst command looks correct depending on what you try to achieve of course. it pipes the -n 120 into the spped file
695[05:15:41] <cluelessperson> curious
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697[05:16:06] <jbitdrop> speed (typo)
698[05:16:18] <jmcnaught> jbitdrop: they could try using the stable installer which is what's recommended. Does anything boot on this computer?
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700[05:17:13] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: yes. another debian HDD (the older one) boots fine when plugged in. and another windows 7 HDD boots fine too. But they are all independend from each other.
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703[05:18:08] <jmcnaught> jbitdrop: have them try the stable installer, make sure it's prepared the way described here: replaced-url
704[05:18:12] <sje46> cluelessperson: I found this: replaced-url
705[05:18:41] <_44trent> how can i install a deb file through the command line? i also want to meet the dependencies for it
706[05:18:56] <SQL> _44trent: dpkg -i filename.deb
707[05:19:31] <_44trent> i get dependency problems when I do that
708[05:19:56] <SQL> hmm
709[05:19:58] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: thanks for your effort to help. I hoped that he doesnt need to reinstall in his fresh SSD. But why then this mentioned quote at the source. Than they should change this line since it is confusing
710[05:20:09] <_44trent> would "sudo dpkg -i filename.deb && apt install -f" work?
711[05:20:20] <SQL> _44trent: should, yes - that was my next usggestion
712[05:20:54] <sje46> Wait, why woud that work? Wouldn't the dpkg command fail?
713[05:21:03] <_44trent> ...yes, yes it would...
714[05:21:14] <SQL> replaced-url
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716[05:21:38] <_44trent> thing is, i'm still getting the dependency problems
717[05:21:54] <jmcnaught> jbitdrop: what page are you talking about?
718[05:21:55] <SQL> apt-get -f install should resolve those afterwards
719[05:22:00] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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721[05:22:42] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: I dount that this is his problem since I use this images regulary too
722[05:22:51] <_44trent> yeah, i think that worked
723[05:22:53] <_44trent> thanks
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725[05:22:56] <SQL> np.
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727[05:23:28] <jmcnaught> jbitdrop: a nightly snapshot could have a problem that was introduced yesterday
728[05:23:36] <jbitdrop> SQL: hui that was fast faded user! :)
729[05:23:46] <SQL> lol yeah
730[05:24:00] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: true that. makes sense
731[05:24:44] <jmcnaught> jbitdrop: also the stable installer is definitely going to work. however often grub problems are related to how the ISO was copied to USB
732[05:24:45] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: but what about the weekly builds mentioned as "known working" ?
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734[05:25:42] <jbitdrop> I am just curious about this often seen !testing bot message here in #debian which contradicts somehow the Debian wiki pages if you ask me ..
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736[05:27:49] <jmcnaught> jbitdrop: perhaps you're right that the wording should be changed on the installer page. You need to keep in mind that testing/unstable are part of the process that creates Debian stable releases. The primary purpose of testing is testing, finding and fixing bugs to prepare the next release
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738[05:29:29] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: but how to test bugs on testing stage if you can't install Debian testing :p :D
739[05:29:35] <jmcnaught> jbitdrop: also testing/unstable have their own channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, but it makes sense to mean if a testing image isn't working, try a stable one
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741[05:30:03] <jmcnaught> jbitdrop: install minimal stable system, upgrade to testing. unless the goal is to test the installer
742[05:30:05] <brownflamingo> ##security
743[05:30:07] <lszyba1> any idea how to force mdadm to take the spare drive and make it active in slot 8? replaced-url
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745[05:30:40] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: makes sense. thank you for your time jmcnaught! thanks a lot.
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748[05:33:13] <JohnA> I have been using stretch for my family servers (postfix+Dovecot, davical, and webdav). First ? is there a better way of providing these services? As I am getting on in years is there a "good" simple control panel/app that for such a server?
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750[05:35:04] <jmcnaught> JohnA: running them on jessie is probably less work in the long run
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756[05:37:36] <jmcnaught> JohnA: maybe something like postfixadmin?
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760[05:39:38] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: re-installing will cause many writes on his new SSD which already has the fresh installed Debian not booting on it now. Any other ideas before it to make sure that we definitely need to re-install ?
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762[05:40:59] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: I just want to forclose any other possible reasons for his issue
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770[05:43:56] <cluelessperson> jbitdrop, many writes?
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772[05:44:39] <jmcnaught> jbitdrop: now that you're in #debian-next we should keep it there :)
773[05:44:52] <jbitdrop> jmcnaught: true :)
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778[05:45:41] <jbitdrop> cluelessperson: well rather an old fashioned SSD worry which fades nowadays but still lets people worry. to save write times.
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795[05:50:49] <cluelessperson> jbitdrop, it's not worth worrying about
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799[05:51:57] <jbitdrop> cluelessperson: I know ... he worries (ocbtec) I help him with his issue
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821[06:01:51] <JohnA> jmcnaught: Why would running jessie create less work? i already run POstfixadmin/Phppgadmin
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823[06:03:22] <JohnA> jmcnaught: I was wondering is there was a "simple" unified admin app for my setup I had looked at webmin but was not entirely happy with it!
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837[06:10:50] <cynical_> hey, anyone awake?
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841[06:12:48] <cynical_> having issues with NAT and LXC
842[06:18:24] <Rusty1_> describe the problem, if someone can help, they will
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878[06:27:36] <jmcnaught> JohnA: stable is less work than testing because stuff breaks a lot less often, you can apply updates without worrying that behaviour is going to change, or that you'll need to change configs
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883[06:28:28] <jmcnaught> JohnA: i'm not crazy about web panels, and i think it's telling that none of them are really available in Debian. You could consider using Ansible, SaltStack or Puppet to automate some tihngs
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899[06:35:01] <JohnA> jmcnaught: thanks for the pointer, I will take a look in the morning.
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901[06:37:46] <cluelessperson> hellp
902[06:37:47] <cluelessperson> Hi all, I'm having an issue with intel wifi/debian
903[06:37:48] <cluelessperson> It seems to be constantly dropping or something
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909[06:40:52] <JohnA> I had kept a couple windows system running because of some software I used. However, I have just been burned by a Window 10 upgrade that I did not ask for losing all my files. Time to move over to Linux totally. There are several different "flavours" of desktop Debian (I include Ubuntu as a Debian flavour) any recommendations as to which one might be easiest for the ex windows user?
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916[06:42:30] <cluelessperson> JohnA, Yes.
917[06:42:32] <jmcnaught> JohnA: Debian Jessie makes for a pretty decent desktop system. It's also probably all that will get recommended here as this channel is just for Debian not derivatives :)
918[06:42:46] <cluelessperson> JohnA, Feel free to PM me if you'd like some guidance.
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921[06:42:54] <cluelessperson> JohnA, This might get long winded.
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924[06:43:29] <cynical_> I set upt LXC on Debian 8, first I did a manual insall, then when I couldn't get the networking going I remove --purge'd it and reinstalled with flockport. I am not able to do a host bridge because I have only one physical interface and I lose connectivity if I do that, so I have to use NAT.
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932[06:44:38] <cynical_> I have one container that is able to access the internet and can ping other the bridge, the rest of my containers cannot access any outside hosts. I can't see any difference in my configurations
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934[06:45:09] <jmcnaught> cynical_: did you try the setup described here? replaced-url
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939[06:45:42] <jmcnaught> cynical_: for help with the LXC side of things, you'll probably need to contact flockport or use the Debian packages
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941[06:46:18] <cynical_> jmcnaught: I can't use that setup because it sets up a host bridge and then I can't ssh to the host
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943[06:46:36] <cluelessperson> JohnA, I suggest starting with a cd-ISO and installing to USB, install the base system with only base packages, none of the desktop environments selected.
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945[06:47:03] <cluelessperson> JohnA, I suggest "apt-get install xorg cinnamon gdm" and you'll go far
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947[06:47:15] <jmcnaught> cynical_: i have a bridge setup similar to this and i can ssh into the host
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952[06:48:23] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: someone coming from Windows might be better served by selecting a desktop environment in the installer and getting all the stuff configured that the task will pull in
953[06:48:31] <JohnA> I would probably go with stretch, I am adventurous, my ? was really which of the GUIs might be "best", one of the things I would probably want to avoid is any that is dependent/requires/default to evolution mainly because I centralize my caledar/addressbook/and email on my servers.
954[06:48:33] <cynical_> jmcnaught: I could be mistaken, I will give it another shot
955[06:49:20] <cluelessperson> JohnA, I suggest Cinnamon
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958[06:51:07] <jmcnaught> JohnA: i like GNOME a lot. keep in mind that stretch doesn't have security support yet, and will require more maintenance as stuff breaks. the support channel for stretch is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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970[06:57:38] <cynical_> jmcnaught: yeah host-only networking makes me lose connectivity immediately, it takes over eth0 and assigns it to br0
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992[07:08:54] <eipi10> anyone familiar with lightdm? I don't to auto-login, but I want my name specified right away.
993[07:09:01] <eipi10> want6
994[07:09:05] <eipi10> ^
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1001[07:13:28] <hiya> now when even tor browser is using FF 45 why is Iceweasel still stuck with ESR? Upgrade else i sue you
1002[07:13:31] <hiya> jk jk
1003[07:13:31] <hiya> :D
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1020[07:21:47] <somiaj> hiya: stable by defintion in debian only gets security upgrades, so debian will upgrade to the newest esr once there is a security concern with the current version.
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1032[07:26:24] <hiya> somiaj, but new agreement is made btw "FF" and Debian that Debian can use the trademark Firefox etc, I have heard, it won't make any changes in Firefox's version with Debian? because ESR is epically outdated yet functional for sure
1033[07:27:22] <somiaj> hiya: it will affect stable, but debian won't just upgrade the esr version to the new esr 45 version without a reason (whcih means security concern)
1034[07:28:11] <somiaj> hiya: sooner or later a security vuln will be found in the old esr 38 version debian is using in stable (and old stable). At that time the security team will provide the newer esr of firefox (without rebranding) as the 'security fix'
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1036[07:29:11] <mutante> hiya: oh, no more Iceweasel you say? almost sad, haha
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1038[07:29:40] <somiaj> mutante: aparentally someoine created a firefox addon with iceweasel branding for those who will miss it
1039[07:29:58] <mutante> somiaj: lol, should have expected
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1054[07:38:50] <hiya> mutante, somiaj but Tor browser is like known for making it secure as private as possible
1055[07:40:52] <somiaj> hiya: I wasn't talking about tor, I was talking about debian stable and how the change with debian and mozilla's relationship will effect the esr release debian provides
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1061[07:45:02] <TomTomTosch> it's not like you can't get a newer firefox on jessie.
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1067[07:48:38] <hiya> TomTomTosch, but it is always good to have latest stable stuff on Debian
1068[07:48:50] <hiya> we use Debian for trust and stability but ... sometimes it over do it
1069[07:48:51] <hiya> :D
1070[07:48:53] <hiya> I think so
1071[07:49:32] <XeonSquared> backports is nice
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1074[07:52:56] <hiya> ok
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1076[07:53:37] <hiya> I upgraded from 7 to 8 and systemctl is missing what should I install?
1077[07:53:44] <hiya> it also happen before its a KVM
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1080[07:54:29] <hiya> which package do I need to install for systemd?
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1100[08:03:46] <jelly> hiya: you don't have a /bin/systemctl ?
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1120[08:10:54] <SPF> .versions php5
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1122[08:11:45] <jmcnaught> cynical_: what is eth0's stanza, or can you just show your /etc/network/interfaces in a paste?
1123[08:12:16] <SPF> ,versions php5
1124[08:12:17] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze29; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u3; jessie: 5.6.19+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.20+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.20+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.22+dfsg-1; stretch: 5.6.22+dfsg-1
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1126[08:12:54] <jmcnaught> SPF: you can message judd privately. there's also a tool "rmadison" in the devscripts package that can tell you this information
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1128[08:13:31] <darxmurf> haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa fook this samba ! downgrade to 4.1 solved the issue of kerberos+ldap+samba+AD
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1133[08:14:24] <SPF> jmcnaught: thanks, I didnt know. I know dpkg can
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1154[08:26:49] <cynical_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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1162[08:30:01] <jmcnaught> cynical_: why don't you define the bridge in /etc/network/interfaces like the example in replaced-url
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1172[08:35:02] <jmcnaught> cynical_: i'm not sure how assigning multiple ip addresses to a bridge in /e/n/interfaces works
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1181[08:42:30] <jmcnaught> cynical_: there's a bridge-utils-interfaces man page that says you can't use multiple stanzas for a bridge interface, to add multiple IPs to use the "up" method in a single stanza
1182[08:43:15] <jmcnaught> cynical_: there's an example of that "up" method here under "manual approach": replaced-url
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1197[08:50:37] <cynical_> sorry ran to the store. Yeah I'm not sure about the IPs either, but for ingress http requests I'm using a reverse proxy running on the host
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1286[09:34:34] <darxmurf> hi again
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1288[09:35:11] <dagerik> network manager applet is gone. How to bring it back?
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1291[09:36:11] <uni_tosch> dagerik run nm-applet
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1293[09:37:34] <dagerik> yeah!
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1306[09:43:06] <Gaiseric> Ugh... how nice, apparently NOBODY is using zotero-standalone with Jessie. It's totally broken (doesn't even start, bug #795343). Apparently fixed in Stretch, but it's not backported. Meanwhile, xulrunner (which would solve the problem) is not packaged for anything newer than Wheezy.
1307[09:43:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1308[09:44:08] <Gaiseric> I've been using Debian for years, and this might be the very first time I encounter a package that there absolutely no way to run... in stable!
1309[09:44:19] <Gaiseric> s/there/there is/
1310[09:44:34] <Gaiseric> Thanks judd.
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1312[09:46:07] <uni_tosch> ,checkbackport zotero-standalone-build
1313[09:46:08] <judd> Backporting package zotero-standalone-build in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
1314[09:46:27] <uni_tosch> !tell Gaiseric about ssb
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1316[09:47:01] <uni_tosch> Gaiseric ^ you can backport it from Sid. Bot sent you instructions.
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1318[09:47:19] <Gaiseric> uni_tosch: Yeap, very cool! Thank you uni_tosch :D
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1320[09:47:45] <uni_tosch> no problemo x)
1321[09:48:53] <uni_tosch> Gaiseric. If that doesn't work, you can get a different Firefox Version from mozilla.debian.net
1322[09:49:42] <Gaiseric> I'm already using v46 and I'd rather not change that :)
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1342[10:01:03] <miroesq> After installing ufw on a fresh Jessie install, I ran ufw status and got his error WARN: uid is 0 but '/' is owned by 502
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1361[10:10:16] <G66K> hello everyone
1362[10:10:48] <G66K> im trying to enable edgescrolling using the following command : synclient VertEdgeScroll=1
1363[10:11:13] <G66K> facing an error : Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
1364[10:11:34] <G66K> im using debian jessie
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1382[10:18:07] <thursdayblues> Hey all, when I do a "which perl", get the result = "/root/perl5/perlbrew/perls/perl-5.10.1/bin/perl", how do I change this to default /usr/bin/perl?
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1395[10:23:46] <G66K> thursdayblues: create a symlink
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1399[10:24:55] <G66K> ln -s /root/perl5/perlbrew/perls/perl-5.10.1/bin/perl /usr/bin/perl
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1409[10:29:33] <cluelessperson> Question, I added a public key to my server's user
1410[10:29:40] <cluelessperson> but I cannot login with the ssh key
1411[10:29:53] <cluelessperson> do I need to ssh sync/reload the authorized_keys file somehow?
1412[10:29:58] <bhuddah> no.
1413[10:30:06] <cluelessperson> I'm just getting permission denied
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1415[10:30:24] <bhuddah> cluelessperson: what's in the servers' auth log?
1416[10:30:50] <cluelessperson> bhuddah, Jun 2 03:31:11 cluelessperson sshd[22585]: User mediashare not allowed because account is locked
1417[10:30:51] <cluelessperson> huh
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1419[10:31:09] <bhuddah> well. that's more than clear :)
1420[10:31:13] <avis> please do not use insecure services with debian you may embarass the company. trust paid help is found everywhere there are trailer parks.
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1423[10:31:46] <cluelessperson> bhuddah, can't I create a user without a password? :?
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1425[10:32:01] <bhuddah> sure you can. but a locked account is something different.
1426[10:32:24] <cluelessperson> bhuddah, it's advising me not to unlock it because it'd be a password less account
1427[10:32:30] <cluelessperson> I expect it to tail without a password
1428[10:32:33] <cluelessperson> fail
1429[10:32:40] <cluelessperson> but I suppose I can generate a random password
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1431[10:33:15] <bhuddah> you can try both options and see how it works for you.
1432[10:33:31] <cluelessperson> bhuddah, it'd allow login with empty password to that account
1433[10:33:41] <bhuddah> have you tried it?
1434[10:33:55] <cluelessperson> bhuddah, I don't see reason to
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1438[10:34:33] <bhuddah> cluelessperson: i don't think ssh permits empty passwords.
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1441[10:34:46] <cluelessperson> bhuddah, I don't want to rely on that
1442[10:35:14] <dcpc007> hi, is there an application for analyze content of big FS "offline" (like scan -> put info in DB and make analyze after) ?
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1444[10:35:20] <bhuddah> well. it's your decission. good luck anyways :)
1445[10:35:40] <dcpc007> like Baobab, k4dirstat, or other
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1447[10:36:11] <dcpc007> goal : find old files, find size for some folders/subfolders,
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1450[10:36:53] <dcpc007> find and du in eral time are very long and resources consuming on large FS (speak on 20+To with millions files)
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1452[10:39:05] <dcpc007> it('s ok for a one time (or like 1week scan) application, but if there is an application for long term usage like website report consulting, maybe it could be interesting
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1456[10:42:52] <cluelessperson> When I try to open vlc in SFTP, it seems to go to stream it over SFTP rather than play the file as a share
1457[10:42:54] <cluelessperson> hrm
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1500[11:03:46] <cluelessperson> I'm having an issue with VLC. Specifically, it's trying to run a direct stream SFTP rather than read the file from a mounted directory over FTP
1501[11:03:47] <cluelessperson> SFTP
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1504[11:03:53] <cluelessperson> What do I do?
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1583[11:40:14] <_dunaeth> Hi, anyone know how to use mDNS on jessie ? I already have avahi installed but it seems mDNS sometimes works sometimes not
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1640[12:12:33] <abcd123> Does debian have some problem with updating flash player using update-flashplugin-nonfree?
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1642[12:13:06] <abcd123> I run it with --install and it does nothing even though --status says that there is a newer version.
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1646[12:15:25] <teraflops> !flashmustdie
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1648[12:15:48] <teraflops> We want that factoid too :P
1649[12:16:03] <abcd123> I get that flash is terrible but its still needed
1650[12:16:20] <teraflops> Use pepperflash then
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1653[12:16:45] <abcd123> What's the difference..?
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1655[12:17:09] <teraflops> replaced-url
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1659[12:18:09] <teraflops> ,v freshplayerplugin
1660[12:18:10] <judd> No package named 'freshplayerplugin' was found in amd64.
1661[12:18:39] <abcd123> judd, flashplugin-nonfree
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1664[12:18:50] <teraflops> Meh
1665[12:19:02] <teraflops> abcd123: read the link I posted
1666[12:19:23] <abcd123> I have, it doesnt explain why pepperflash is better than the normal flash plugin
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1668[12:19:54] <abcd123> It doesnt even mention a difference
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1674[12:22:04] <teraflops> It gets updated frequently not like the flashplugin
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1678[12:23:28] <abcd123> Right, but fp-nf has a newer version upstream which "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" should download, but it doesnt.
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1689[12:31:03] <teraflops> abcd123: file a bug or wait then?
1690[12:32:44] <cluelessperson> Question
1691[12:32:52] <cluelessperson> how do I load firmware from a severely different version?
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1695[12:33:12] <cluelessperson> My debian is using -9 for intel's 7265, but they have -14.ucode
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1702[12:36:09] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
1703[12:36:15] <cluelessperson> ah I just downloaded the package directly
1704[12:36:16] <cluelessperson> brb
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1717[12:42:57] <benycze> Hello, just one fast question. I have a problem with wake up from the hibernation. Sometimes ... it stucks on the hibernation log. Has someone the same problem?
1718[12:43:48] <musca> cluelessperson: the SOP would recommend to install kernel, headers and firmware together from the same source (jessie-backports in this example).
1719[12:44:20] <uni_tosch> benycze? Is it rather new Hardware? A newer Kernel might help
1720[12:46:10] <benycze> uni_tosch:no .. it isn't new hardware :/. I was testing the new kernel from jessie backports (don't know if this is the right place for the new kernel). I was also testing the new vanilla kernel and the same was happening. However, I maybe forget to compile something to the new kernel.
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1728[12:48:07] <cluelessperson> musca, got it, just upgarded kernel, restarting
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1736[12:53:08] <benycze> uni_tosch: It wasn't doing with the previous version of Debian (Wheezy I think). However, I upgraded from the previous version to the new one. There is, maybe, something fighting with other packages. The reinstal of the system can be the right step (to remove unused or unneeded packages). What do you think?
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1738[12:54:55] <uni_tosch> benycze, i'm not sure how to proceed. Sorry.
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1742[12:55:13] <benycze> uni_tosch: Never mind :) .. thx ;)
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1826[13:26:11] <Iridos> README.mirrors.txt, maybe?
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1829[13:26:57] <Iridos> or mabbe apt-mirror-setup_0.97_all.udeb
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1831[13:27:11] <Iridos> and choose-mirror_2.62_all.udeb
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1850[13:38:18] <aeiou> The documentation for pidof -x says “this causes the program to also return process id's of shells running the named scripts”. What is a “named script”. Trying to userstand how this argument matches a script.
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1854[13:39:27] * airmace312 is selling coins if you are intrested in buying please private msg me and we can negotiate the rate so if intrested please msg me for a good deal thanks
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1869[13:47:17] <teraflops> aeiou: pgrep > pidof
1870[13:47:51] <aeiou> I wasn’t looking for advice on which program is better than which, I was looking for an explanation of an existing piece of code.
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1872[13:48:18] <aeiou> I have since discovered however, the “named script” is the name of the program being ran by the process.
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1876[13:50:12] <Iridos> it's a named script when you called a shell script by its name and it executes because line 1 e.g. says #!/bin/bash
1877[13:50:27] <teraflops> he left :S
1878[13:50:41] <Iridos> hmp
1879[13:50:45] <Iridos> !next
1880[13:50:46] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1882[13:51:21] <teraflops> that's why pgrep -f is better, anyway nvm
1883[13:52:07] <Iridos> I wouldn't trust someone who writes "id's" for the plural of id anyway
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1908[14:05:53] <jgay> Iridos, thanks. That is probably sufficient. i just wasn't sure if something else might have created the initial /etc/sources.list file with something more than the default CD sources listed
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2045[15:05:52] <spleen> Hello all
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2048[15:06:31] <spleen> What command i could use to see what program is using a port ?
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2051[15:06:49] <GiggityDude> hello debs, I have a problem with my sources list for apt, when I run 'apt-get update' I get some warning about duplicate entries: replaced-url
2052[15:07:05] <GiggityDude> damn pastebinit
2053[15:07:09] <spleen> example : i want to know what is the rpogram using the port 25
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2055[15:07:13] <spleen> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
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2057[15:07:53] <GiggityDude> replaced-url
2058[15:08:00] <GiggityDude> those are the warning
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2060[15:08:01] <GiggityDude> s
2061[15:08:37] <GiggityDude> replaced-url
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2063[15:10:19] <mtn> GiggityDude: do you have any folders in /etc/apt? did you look in those folders, too?
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2066[15:11:07] <GiggityDude> mtn: there's 'sources.list.d' folder
2067[15:11:18] <mtn> GiggityDude: and did you look in it?
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2086[15:15:56] <GiggityDude> thanks, I thought that this dir is special, like on CentOS, which represents the contents of sources.list… turned out there was another 'sources.list' file with just 1 entry
2087[15:16:00] <GiggityDude> I removed that file
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2089[15:16:31] <mtn> GiggityDude: glad you found it.
2090[15:16:42] <GiggityDude> thanks mtn
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2097[15:18:32] <GiggityDude> I am using 'non-free' drivers for my hardware, should I also add 'contrib non-free' to 'jessie/updates' repo?
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2099[15:18:53] <GiggityDude> and 'jessie-updates' (previously known as 'volatile')
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2103[15:20:04] <mtn> GiggityDude: without contrib and non-free enbabled, you are limiting the amount of software you can install
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2106[15:20:19] <abrotman> GiggityDude: yes, you should enable it eveywhere if it's in your main sources
2107[15:20:31] <mtn> GiggityDude: replaced-url
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2113[15:22:49] <GiggityDude> thanks, pals. Is there a way to remap a keyboard key?
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2115[15:23:25] <GiggityDude> my netbook has no left shift key (it is broken), but I don't need capslock, which is nearby to that key
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2117[15:24:15] <simonlnu> yes
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2119[15:25:15] <GiggityDude> via xev and xmodmap?
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2122[15:28:00] <GiggityDude> yeah, it worked
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2145[15:35:07] <herpderp> Hi. I may have a really stupid question. On which layer does the SSH-Tunneling work? Layer 3 or layer 4?
2146[15:35:49] <Lokke> hello world, i know thats OT but does anyone know software like "subsonic" with the possibility on clostering these instances? - i'll host a lot of media and need cheap servers for that - atm i have arount 2TB space and need some TB more
2147[15:35:51] <koollman> herpderp: it's a a layer 4 protocol, used to tunnel other layer 4 protocols
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2149[15:36:03] <Lokke> clustering*
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2172[15:40:36] <[1]wasted> One question about Debian boot up, does it use systemd or the old sysv with the runlevels? How can I know what I am using?
2173[15:40:41] <Lord-EXE> Guten tag uche Hilfe beim Linux einer IP-Cam hoffe mir kann hier jemand weiter helfen
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2185[15:43:51] <herpderp> Ah, I guess that's perfect for my puropse. I have an VPN and I need to extend my VPN without changing any routes.
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2294[16:32:22] <petn-randall> [1]wasted: By default a jessie system uses systemd. You can check by looking what your PID 1 is.
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2297[16:32:45] <[1]wasted> Hey petn-randall
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2301[16:33:01] <[1]wasted> I ve been discussing this.. It appears that debian uses both.
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2305[16:33:14] <[1]wasted> So it uses systemd but uses a generator before
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2307[16:33:22] <petn-randall> [1]wasted: Plain old sysv init is still supported in jessie, which you can even install side-by-side. You can then select it in grub then.
2308[16:33:55] <[1]wasted> ok but I guess you can use both.. or at least have the sysv experience on systemd
2309[16:34:00] <petn-randall> [1]wasted: Not sure what you mean by that. But systemd is 100% backwards compatible in the sense that it knows what to do with init scripts.
2310[16:34:22] <[1]wasted> It is something about systemd-sysv-generator
2311[16:34:30] <petn-randall> [1]wasted: You can't use both at the same time, though.
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2314[16:35:36] <[1]wasted> to reply to your initial question
2315[16:35:37] <[1]wasted> pid 1
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2317[16:36:02] <[1]wasted> a /sbin/init
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2323[16:36:59] <[1]wasted> correct me if i am wrong. I can still put scripts on the rcX.d folders and expect systemd to handle them right?
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2336[16:42:00] <yossarianuk> hi - whats the easiet way of upgrading the cups version when using Wheezy ?
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2384[17:01:15] <petn-randall> [1]wasted: You never put init scripts in rcX.d folders. You put them in /etc/init.d/. Into the runlevels you put symlinks to those scripts.
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2388[17:02:43] <petn-randall> [1]wasted: If your question is if systemd can handle init scripts, the answer is yes. Are you building your own init scripts, or why are you asking? All daemons in jessie come with init scripts and working with systemd.
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2408[17:08:14] <jamesl> I plugged in my TP-link WN722N wifi adapter into my debian Jessie laptop, installed firmware-atheros, but in ifconfig my wifi card shows up as wlxc4e9840e0732 (wlan0 is my internal wifi card). How to set it to wlan1 instead, and prioritise it over the internal wifi
2409[17:08:16] <jamesl> ?
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2429[17:14:56] <hiya> erre, use SASL
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2433[17:15:35] <teraflops> hiya: use smartfilter :P
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2435[17:16:02] <Jaga-Jaga> is it ok if i'd update my debian once a month ?
2436[17:16:28] <erre> hiya what your problem?
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2439[17:17:37] <hiya> Jaga-Jaga, no, do it weekly
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2442[17:18:07] <hiya> erre, use SASL plz if you don't want your IP to leak to us
2443[17:18:10] <hiya> teraflops, what is smartfilter?
2444[17:18:22] <erre> lol
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2448[17:19:06] <erre> kids...
2449[17:19:14] <teraflops> hiya: lter for IRC join/part/quit message it exists at least in weechat
2450[17:19:21] <teraflops> filter*
2451[17:19:47] <Jaga-Jaga> hiya: what could be the worst case scenario if i forget to update for a month ?
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2455[17:20:55] <hiya> Jaga-Jaga, a lot of things, :D like what could happen if my mom told me front door lock is broke by yelling from outside when she was working in garden and two passers by hears it who looks bad guys
2456[17:20:57] <FaTony> hi, can I host a custom repository on a shared hosting?
2457[17:20:59] <hiya> erre, ? you make fun of me :(
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2459[17:21:45] <erre> hiya no i dont need, you already do it by yourself
2460[17:22:11] <jamesl> I plugged in my TP-link WN722N wifi adapter into my debian Jessie laptop, installed firmware-atheros, but in ifconfig my wifi card shows up as wlxc4e9840e0732 (wlan0 is my internal wifi card). How to set it to wlan1 instead, and prioritise it over the internal wifi?
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2463[17:23:15] <Jaga-Jaga> hiya: i mean, basically id\d run apps that are not the very lastest version . like using outdated chromium for example. how could that harm me ?
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2470[17:25:20] <hiya> erre, I am just saying SASL is really good thing :D
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2472[17:26:28] <hiya> Jaga-Jaga, it could do a lot o things, but try to make it twice in a month ok?
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2475[17:26:43] <ByteStorm> Jaga-Jaga a hacker would utilize a flaw in the app tht might hav been patched up in the latest update
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2477[17:27:09] <ByteStorm> especially browsers
2478[17:27:47] <teraflops> Jaga-Jaga: your only concern are security updated
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2480[17:28:08] <teraflops> updates*
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2483[17:28:41] <Jaga-Jaga> hiya: ByteStorm now i get it. however, u do realize that since im on linux platform and chromium is even more specific. not many ahcker would get nuts about exploiting it. so chances to damage my computer are very slim. more theoretical then practical
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2486[17:29:29] <ByteStorm> but theres a probability....
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2488[17:30:03] <Jaga-Jaga> I see
2489[17:30:22] <jhutchins> Actually, you should subscribe to the security mailing list and read the posts so that you understand what actual risks exist and what you need to update for various environments.
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2501[17:36:33] <Eldunar> hello, can u tell me how to get list of running services ( like service --status-all ) but with desired list of services ( for example apache, samba,sql)?
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2503[17:37:26] <Eldunar> because i want to write application for me monitoring my other computer, and waiting for completing full list of services is anoying.
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2505[17:38:10] <ByteStorm> use grep maybe
2506[17:39:10] <ByteStorm> service --status-all | grep foo
2507[17:39:24] <ByteStorm> idk
2508[17:40:26] <Eldunar> yeah, processing output is not a problem, but its filling is.
2509[17:41:05] <ByteStorm> service --status-all | grep foo && grep bar && grep daa
2510[17:41:36] <ByteStorm> maybe use ( n ) to make it pipe together
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2512[17:42:38] <sypher> Eldunar: Running jessie?
2513[17:42:58] <Eldunar> i know that, but grep is working on fully done output, but getting status of all services is slow. I want to have output as fast as possible
2514[17:43:25] <Eldunar> sypher: technically i am on raspbian... ;P
2515[17:43:30] <sypher> Eldunar: systemd or not systemd?
2516[17:43:42] <Eldunar> systemd
2517[17:43:47] <sypher> for x in sshd cron acpid ; do echo "$x: `systemctl status $x | grep -m 1 Active | awk '{print $2}'`" ; done
2518[17:43:57] <sypher> That demos doing what you want with three services.
2519[17:44:16] <sypher> It will report active or inactive.
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2522[17:45:03] <Eldunar> sypher: nice! That gives me so much power!:D
2523[17:45:13] <Eldunar> sypher: have a nice day sypher!
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2527[17:47:06] <afernandez_> I dont quite understand the -m 1
2528[17:47:14] <afernandez_> can anyone explain please?
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2530[17:47:25] <sypher> afernandez_: limits the output to one line, otherwise it will match another line in systemctl status output.
2531[17:47:54] <sypher> afernandez_: Or, rather, it could.
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2534[17:48:08] <afernandez_> Thanks
2535[17:48:21] <afernandez_> let try without the -m and so I can see the diff
2536[17:48:36] <sypher> afernandez_: So far, it's only matched on sshd output.
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2538[17:48:48] <afernandez_> same result
2539[17:48:59] <sypher> afernandez_: I'll pastebin what I get.
2540[17:49:00] <afernandez_> without the -m 1 option
2541[17:49:06] <afernandez_> OKJ
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2543[17:49:49] <sypher> afernandez_: replaced-url
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2546[17:50:27] <afernandez_> Lets see
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2548[17:51:07] <FaTony> Can someone recommend a GUI text editor without many dependencies? My main editor got broken and I'm looking for a temporary solution
2549[17:51:11] <afernandez_> I get the same
2550[17:51:36] <mutante> FaTony: the number of dependencies drops dramatically if you skip the GUI part
2551[17:51:41] <sypher> afernandez_: The reason it's catching the extra line on mine is because I'm running it in ssh, so the grep command gets snagged in the output.
2552[17:51:54] <mutante> FaTony: gvim
2553[17:52:13] <teraflops> yeah gvim
2554[17:52:33] <afernandez_> oh OK
2555[17:53:14] <FaTony> mutante, what package provides it?
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2560[17:54:04] <afernandez_> FaTony: apt-cache search mutante
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2563[17:54:36] <teraflops> afernandez_: huh?
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2566[17:54:57] <afernandez_> lol
2567[17:55:01] <teraflops> ;)
2568[17:55:13] <afernandez_> I thought he was asking for the package "mutante"
2569[17:55:15] <afernandez_> sorry
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2571[17:55:25] <Tybor> hi! I know I'm asking a think hot and already asked.... may you give me some hints about the status of LibDB6 in debiam, and the entire affair AGPLv3/Oracle?
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2573[17:56:06] <mutante> FaTony: ah, it seems to be "vim-gnome" for me
2574[17:56:11] <mutante> afernandez_: hehe
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2576[17:56:47] <mutante> vim-gnome, vim-gtk or vim-gtk.. i have vim-gnome
2577[17:56:59] <mutante> eh, vim-gtk3 w
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2593[17:59:28] <FaTony> mutante, hmm vim seems to be a bit oldschool for me
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2595[17:59:48] <[sr]|2> will mysql 5.7 be available in packages?
2596[17:59:50] <ByteStorm> its the GUI version
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2598[18:00:02] <c-c> FaTony: look at geany?
2599[18:00:19] <FaTony> c-c, oh yeah, I've heard about this one
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2617[18:04:57] <mutante> FaTony: writing text is an ancient thing :)
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2621[18:05:27] <mutante> not much change there
2622[18:05:31] <c-c> also, jedit, scite, kate, gedit, emacs
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2630[18:07:24] <FaTony> c-c, my main text editor was pluma but it got broken with today's update
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2687[18:22:38] <Matumaros> Hi, does the Legitech, Inc. HD Pro Webcam C920 not work with Debian (Jessie)? I couldn't find much on the Internet
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2694[18:24:43] <Matumaros> Oh, it does work right away, it didn't show up at first, nevermind then
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2725[18:40:01] <okee> I ran grub-reconfig, but my new SSD isn't showing up in the boot menu? How can I fix this problem?
2726[18:40:26] <okee> SSD does show up within the old drive that I am trying to migrate from.
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2774[18:59:38] <darkblue_b> ugh - I have a funky parser for dot-dsc files, and I am at the part of breaking the Build-Depends key
2775[18:59:43] <darkblue_b> but, I get this .. replaced-url
2776[19:00:10] <darkblue_b> I can figure this out, but it helps me to talk .. why all the spaces around identifiers
2777[19:00:43] <darkblue_b> btw - thanks to our project DD for pointing out the UDD.. I am using that now sometimes
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2782[19:02:30] <darkblue_b> (that screenshot has tabs and spaces shown, if thats not obvious)
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2822[19:19:06] <miroesq> After installing ufw on a fresh Jessie install, I ran ufw status and got his error WARN: uid is 0 but '/' is owned by 502
2823[19:20:47] <greycat> That should certainly be fixed, if it's true. You don't want / owned by any UID other than 0.
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2834[19:23:56] <RoyK> miroesq: pastebin ls -l /, please
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2837[19:24:22] <greycat> You'd want ls -ld / to see / itself.
2838[19:24:41] <RoyK> or just ls -la /
2839[19:24:51] <greycat> that still doesn't show / itself, just dotfiles
2840[19:24:58] <miroesq> hahahahahaha ok, I will try them both :)
2841[19:25:18] <RoyK> greycat: it does - . will be /
2842[19:25:23] <greycat> Oh, I guess the . that shows up in -la would work.
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2845[19:25:37] <greycat> still, we can agree that ls -l / is not right
2846[19:25:55] <RoyK> well, ls -la / will show if someone else is wrong
2847[19:26:02] <RoyK> s/someone/somehting/
2848[19:26:12] <RoyK> someone might have chowned the wrong thing :P
2849[19:26:48] <miroesq> replaced-url
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2852[19:27:16] <miroesq> This was a clean install, I never chmoded anything, although I did run an install script.
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2854[19:28:05] <greycat> A clean install how? Netinst CD burned to a CD-R? Copied to a USB thumb drive? Debootstrap from an Arch Linux partition?
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2856[19:28:49] <miroesq> greycat: downloaded an image. I am using an odroid XU4
2857[19:29:21] <greycat> "I downloaded something" doesn't give us much to go on.
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2865[19:31:32] <miroesq> greycat: what I was trying to say is that after the fresh image install, I didn't fool around with the OS. ls -la / shows the two items that are owned by 502, but I don't know what those are or how to correct them
2866[19:32:31] <greycat> Paste the two lines here, or on a pastebin site.
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2871[19:33:08] <miroesq> greycat: I did pastebin, thought you had seen it. replaced-url
2872[19:33:31] <greycat> OK, just / itself then. chown 0 /
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2874[19:33:56] <miroesq> greycat: sorry, I am not sure of the exact syntax you want me to execute
2875[19:34:09] <greycat> It's bad that this happened at all, but it's good that it was ONLY one directory and not an entire hierarchy.
2876[19:34:14] <greycat> chown 0 /
2877[19:34:17] <greycat> (as root)
2878[19:34:21] <miroesq> oh, move to / then do chown 0 /
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2880[19:34:29] <greycat> You don't have to be anywhere specific.
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2882[19:34:47] <miroesq> greycat: got it. will try it now
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2884[19:35:46] <miroesq> greycat: now those two lines read root 1000 instead of root root like the others. should i change the group as well
2885[19:36:15] <greycat> It shouldn't matter since it's not group writable. It's up to you.
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2888[19:36:31] <miroesq> greycat: how would i change the group as well?
2889[19:36:41] <greycat> chgrp 0 /
2890[19:36:52] <miroesq> greycat: thank you so much
2891[19:36:55] <flp___> in jessie backports there are the packages btrfs-tools and btrfs-progs do they do the same thing. which should I use?
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2894[19:38:04] <greycat> ,info btrfs-tools stretch
2895[19:38:05] <judd> Package btrfs-tools (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: transitional dummy package. Version: 4.5.2-1; Size: 14.9k; Installed: 22k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2898[19:38:15] <greycat> The name changed after jessie, apparently.
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2903[19:39:47] <flp___> thank you
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2906[19:40:22] <n-st> hi, my syslog-ng is behaving oddly:
2907[19:40:22] <n-st> Jun 2 19:37:12 eta syslog-ng[23459]: I/O error occurred while writing; fd='18', error='No space left on device (28)'
2908[19:40:22] <n-st> Jun 2 19:37:12 eta syslog-ng[23459]: Suspending write operation because of an I/O error; fd='18', time_reopen='60'
2909[19:40:35] <greycat> No space left is a pretty clear message.
2910[19:40:43] <n-st> fd 18 of that process is /dev/tty10
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2912[19:40:48] <n-st> how can a tty run out of space?
2913[19:40:55] <greycat> Just do 'df' and see what's full.
2914[19:41:12] <n-st> devfs 64K 64K 0 100% /dev
2915[19:41:18] <n-st> that's all
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2925[19:43:40] <n-st> greycat: can the devtmpfs really fill up and become unusable?
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2928[19:44:12] <greycat> Mine did, on a very low end box where I was running some systemd debugging stuff to try to figure out why it wouldn't reboot without manual intervention.
2929[19:44:25] <greycat> I ended up running some magic command to make it write systemd logs to disk instead of RAM.
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2932[19:44:54] <n-st> oh well… mount -o remount,size=50% /dev
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2934[19:45:28] <n-st> i assume 8 GB of /dev will be enough? ;)
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2940[19:47:21] <FaTony> I'm trying to create my own package, but during build I get rm: cannot remove 'Obj/*.o': No such file or directory
2941[19:47:38] <FaTony> How to make it work even if there are no .o files?
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2944[19:48:12] <greycat> rm -f ...
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2947[19:48:36] <somiaj> FaTony: what is trying to remove that file? is this in the make clean or some other command from the Makefile?
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2949[19:48:50] <FaTony> somiaj, make clean
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2951[19:49:12] <n3ss_> hi, i'm attempting switch from using an nvidia graphics card to an onboard intel. getting a 'gnome-session-check-accelerated: helper exited with code 256" error
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2953[19:49:14] <greycat> always use rm -f to let it exit with success when there are no files to remove
2954[19:49:35] <somiaj> FaTony: that sounds like a problem with the make file, sounds like it is trying to remove object files that are not present
2955[19:50:06] <somiaj> i.e. the make file assumes you wouldn't rum make clean without haveing built first, which isn't the case.
2956[19:50:06] <FaTony> somiaj, I know, I've written it myself
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2960[19:51:13] <FaTony> alright rm -f fixed it
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2962[19:52:28] <n3ss_> i'm guessing they're is something i'm forgetting to do here. i can't get into Gnome at all, just get a "oh no..." message
2963[19:52:34] <n3ss_> there*
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2965[19:53:06] <somiaj> n3ss_: gnome requires the the compositing extension in xorg, are you trying to do this over vpn?
2966[19:53:21] <n3ss_> no, i'm physically at the computer
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2968[19:53:51] <somiaj> n3ss_: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and double check your graphics drivers are loading correctly.
2969[19:53:57] <somiaj> n3ss_: and I meant vnc (not vpn)
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2974[19:57:14] <n3ss_> yeah it seems like it's loading them. no intel-related errors
2975[19:58:08] <n3ss_> one thing that i just noticed is that it's loading an nvidia glx module prior to the intel
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2977[19:58:51] <n3ss_> nothing about that in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/*
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2994[20:06:15] <somiaj> n3ss_: that seems odd, it won't load nvidia non-free without some xorg.conf file telling it to (it could try to load nv or nouveau drivers though)
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3110[21:11:28] <learner_of_debia> I am trying to reduce my console resolution. When I run fbset I get two different geometries: the one I want and then the high res one. The console is still using the high-res geometry. Why are there two geometries and how can I only have the low-res one? I don't have an external monitor plugged in.
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3118[21:15:27] <moozer> are any of you using TPM for your ssh?
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3132[21:21:30] <Vainglory> moozer: tpm?
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3135[21:22:04] <rattking> moozer: I have but I am not currently
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3137[21:22:31] <simonlnu> !tpm
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3139[21:22:48] <moozer> Vainglory: Trusted platform module - it is a security device on some (most?) laptops that makes it possible to e.g. not store keys in memory
3140[21:23:04] <Vainglory> moozer: in all seriousness there'd be no reason to. slap google authenticator and password-less ssh on your box and you're good to go.
3141[21:23:30] <moozer> I have noticed that libvirt gives me the option of making TPM passthroug
3142[21:23:32] * simonlnu wonders why tpm isn't in dpkg anymore
3143[21:23:38] <rattking> Vainglory: not really the same thing, the TPM chip stores the private key so no process can access it directly
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3146[21:24:03] <moozer> simonlnu: it is called tpm-tools
3147[21:24:14] <Vainglory> rattking: no, i understand that. but that's what permissions are for. if you're worried about someone accessing your private key through those permissions, you have something else to worry about entirely.
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3149[21:24:43] <rattking> like web browser based attacks
3150[21:24:58] <Vainglory> you run a web browser on your server?
3151[21:25:01] <silverfall> simonlnu: "tpm" means "the fucking whore bitch you have as mother" in spanish, that's why it was removed
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3154[21:25:26] <rattking> no but I didnt realize we were talking about servers right now
3155[21:25:34] <simonlnu> *plonk*
3156[21:25:42] <moozer> silverfall: lol - sorry if I have offended someone.
3157[21:25:53] <silverfall> its an acronym standing for Tu Puta Madre, feel free to google it
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3159[21:26:01] <simonlnu> moozer: i meant the bot
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3161[21:26:18] <greycat> !listkeys tpm
3162[21:26:20] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'tpm' by key (4): ftpmustdie ;; ftpmasters ;; ftpmaster ;; ftpmaster down #del#.
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3167[21:26:58] <moozer> greycat: ok - I haven't seen that before. What did you just do?
3168[21:27:04] <greycat> You can see what I just did.
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3170[21:27:24] <moozer> greycat: yes - did you just query a bot?
3171[21:27:32] <greycat> Obviously, duh.
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3173[21:27:54] <moozer> greycat: where can I find what it can be asked?
3174[21:28:35] <greycat> moozer: /msg dpkg help
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3176[21:29:06] <moozer> greycat: nice.
3177[21:29:25] <rattking> seriously though I dont see any mention of servers in the tpm discussion
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3179[21:29:49] <greycat> Other than an alleged Spanish acronym, what is "tpm"?
3180[21:29:53] <stakewinner00> somone have used cmake and had troubles finding boost libraries in debian?
3181[21:29:53] <moozer> Vainglory: I am looking into security in detail these days, and TPMs seems to help against some kinds of attacks
3182[21:30:18] <rattking> trusted platform module
3183[21:30:22] <moozer> greycat: Trusted platform module. A security device builtin to certain devices
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3185[21:30:37] <moozer> greycat: It is used in secure boots also.
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3187[21:31:00] <rattking> soemtimes they include a random number generator too
3188[21:31:32] <moozer> I have been reading in my "gray hat hacking" book, and it seems smart not to have important stuff in memory.
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3192[21:32:26] <moozer> rattking: yes, and with a certain level of NSA paranoia, that might not be a good thing - but still, it is only relevant in paranoia mode
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3195[21:33:16] <rattking> heh! yeah.. I believe it feeds data to be mixed with other sources of entropy, so you are not relying on it alone
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3197[21:33:27] <Noneatme> Hello all, quick question: is there a particular reason why all screens I create using screen -dmS are dead asap?
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3203[21:35:09] <greycat> ,v tpm-tools
3204[21:35:10] <judd> Package: tpm-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.3-2; wheezy: 1.3.7-1; jessie: 1.3.8-1; sid: 1.3.8-2+b1; stretch: 1.3.8-2+b1
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3206[21:35:26] <moozer> rattking: for the heavy entropy users: replaced-url
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3208[21:36:16] <jmcnaught> Noneatme: does "screen -ls" list the sessions?
3209[21:37:06] <greycat> dpkg, tpm is <reply>Trusted Platform Module, a hardware standard associated with <secure boot>. See the "tpm-tools" package for related software.
3210[21:37:06] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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3219[21:39:21] <moozer> dpkg: what is tpm?
3220[21:39:21] <dpkg> Trusted Platform Module, a hardware standard associated with <secure boot>. See the "tpm-tools" package for related software.
3221[21:39:28] <moozer> greycat: nice :-)
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3227[21:42:45] <bibble> Tried "chmod (1-7)755 test.sh", but I can't get an "s" to be at the start of permissions ?
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3229[21:43:03] <greycat> is it on a file system that permits setuid?
3230[21:43:27] <bibble> Normal home directory, so think so ?
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3233[21:44:16] <greycat> And the s wouldn't be at the start. It would be rwsr-xr-x
3234[21:44:29] <greycat> And the setuid bit does not work on scripts.
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3237[21:45:50] <bibble> greycat, see. I'm newb, thanks. So setuid allows the script to run as root even though exec by normal user ? So why does work on scripts ?
3238[21:46:18] <greycat> It does NOT work on scripts. The bit is ignored. This is independent of your problem getting the bit set in the first place.
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3242[21:46:55] <bibble> OK, cool.
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3246[21:47:52] <bibble> Earlier, I found a file that had an "s"at the start, but I haven't been able to reproduce, so confused and trying to find out.
3247[21:48:18] <greycat> Again, *where* is all of this? Where is the file with the setuid bit, and what are the mount options on the file system in which your home directory sits?
3248[21:48:29] <greycat> It matters, because there are mount options that can disable suid.
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3250[21:49:03] <moozer> bibble: There are all sort of strange bits to set. Look on /dev for examples
3251[21:49:05] <greycat> An example of a program that should be setuid (or else it can't do its job) is /bin/su
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3253[21:49:27] <greycat> Setuid programs should be permitted in the root file system (where /bin should be).
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3255[21:50:20] <bibble> Ah, thanks moozer, greycat. Found an empty file in a user's root home directory, with it.
3256[21:51:10] <greycat> find /bin -perm -4000 => /bin/fusermount /bin/ntfs-3g /bin/su /bin/mount /bin/umount
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3261[21:52:21] <bibble> Ah, 4000 does it alone, or mount still part of it ?
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3263[21:52:54] <greycat> The mount options "nosuid" and "user" will disallow it.
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3266[21:53:11] <greycat> "user" is incredibly common, and some people don't realize it implies all kinds of other options
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3269[21:53:30] <greycat> specifically noexec, nosuid, and nodev (according to the man page)
3270[21:54:10] <bibble> Oh right. Literally ssh login shell use in /home. Currently vulnerable to anything sinister ?
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3272[21:54:41] <Noneatme> jmcnaught nope
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3280[21:57:00] <bibble> Thanks greycat, reading up now.
3281[21:57:24] <neoncortex> hey, when i change resolution using xrandr, its supposed that the thing scales, i mean, the window manager fill the new space, but it's what's happening: replaced-url
3282[21:57:29] <Noneatme> jmcnaught well, it lists the screens but it says (Dead ????)
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3286[21:58:09] <neoncortex> i tried alsmost all options of xrandr and im getting out of ideas
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3295[22:02:18] <moozer> neoncortex: what window manager are you using?
3296[22:02:27] <neoncortex> moozer: i3 wm
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3300[22:03:16] <neoncortex> moozer: by the way, i tried to set resolution in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf/ files, and itu s happened also in the lightdm, so it's not window manager fault
3301[22:03:26] <neoncortex> #ti's
3302[22:03:29] <moozer> neoncortex: Maybe it doesn't support resize (yet) - it seems that X gets it, but the window manager doesn't use the new space
3303[22:03:31] <neoncortex> bleh xD
3304[22:03:38] <bibble> greycat , what does the "=>" do ?
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3306[22:03:53] <neoncortex> moozer: it's not the case i suppose
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3308[22:04:12] <greycat> bibble: it's an arrow that I drew using my fingers on the keyboard.
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3310[22:04:20] <greycat> It doesn't "do" anything.
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3313[22:04:26] <bibble> Ah :D
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3316[22:05:12] <greycat> Man. This channel. Maybe I need to draw my arrows with # on the left side in case someone runs one as a shell command.
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3320[22:05:37] <bibble> I'm not great with Bash syntax, thought it might do some crazy piping or something.
3321[22:05:43] <moozer> neoncortex: I don't use a tiling window manager. If you change the resolution of the screens on a non-tiling - only maximised windows change size, and the concept of maximised might not exist for tiling wms.
3322[22:06:02] <moozer> neoncortex: (first sentence is a disclaimer)
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3325[22:07:06] <neoncortex> moozer: but, was i said, it happen also in the lightdm [ login manager ] if i set the resolution via /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d files, so i suppose i'm missing some option
3326[22:07:10] <moozer> neoncortex: what happens when you connect an external monitor?
3327[22:07:46] <moozer> neoncortex: I check "xrandr -q" and see if anything is odd.
3328[22:07:51] <neoncortex> moozer: the external monitor runs fine, sometimes i plug and use dual head
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3333[22:08:34] <neoncortex> nothing odd i think: replaced-url
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3335[22:09:48] <moozer> neoncortex: three monitors :-)
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3337[22:10:10] <neoncortex> moozer: but im using two only, don't get excited =D
3338[22:10:15] <moozer> neoncortex: it seems that you are using a two monitor for ouput and the third is a clone?
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3341[22:10:50] <neoncortex> moozer: no, the TV-1 is disconnected in reality, i don't know why it appear as connected
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3343[22:11:52] <moozer> neoncortex: mine looks like this replaced-url
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3345[22:12:11] <neoncortex> moozer: also, my video card or video driver i don't know, only support two monitors simultaneously, i ned to turn off TV-1 in order to have crct to turn VGA-1 on
3346[22:12:16] <moozer> neoncortex: you are panning, I am dogin "1366x768+1920+0"
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3349[22:12:49] <moozer> neoncortex: I am unsure of the difference
3350[22:13:21] <neoncortex> moozer: im panning because im desperated trying to find a way to make the thing feel the screen
3351[22:13:25] <moozer> neoncortex: but it seems that i3 picks up on the smallest monitor
3352[22:13:32] <neoncortex> not working anyway
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3359[22:14:55] <neoncortex> moozer: i3 scales fine on the external monitor, it just do that on LVDS
3360[22:15:18] <moozer> neoncortex: is this your problem? replaced-url
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3365[22:16:27] <neoncortex> moozer: no it's not, sadly
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3369[22:17:26] <moozer> neoncortex: what xrandr command do you do to set up your monitors?
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3375[22:18:44] <moozer> neoncortex: I do this replaced-url
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3377[22:19:07] <moozer> neoncortex: for external vga combined with my laptop
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3380[22:20:01] <Neville> how do I check if hfs+ is installed at the command line?
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3385[22:20:34] <greycat> First figure out the package name. Then use dpkg -l packagename
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3391[22:21:45] <moozer> neoncortex: I think you need to "--off" the monitor you are not using,
3392[22:21:59] <jmcnaught> Neville: my stock jessie kernel has hfs and hfsplus modules
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3398[22:25:11] <Neville> jmcnaught: so how do you query it in general? to check the version, usage, etc.
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3400[22:25:42] <BlenderPro> I configured my ubuntu server with a static entry for eth0 as follows: replaced-url
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3402[22:26:22] <jmcnaught> Neville: are you asking how to mount an HFS+ filesystem?
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3407[22:28:02] <bibble> Ahh, greycat, moozer; the beginning "s" meant it was a socket file. Seems obvious now, damn.
3408[22:28:13] <jmcnaught> Neville: you could start with "apropos hfs", the hfsplus(7) man page also mentions an alternative
3409[22:28:44] <markybob> BlenderPro: you don't have a gateway set. but you should ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu
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3415[22:30:51] <BlenderPro> markybob, gateway only for connecting to the internet as far I know
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3420[22:32:49] <moozer> BlenderPro: cable connected? ethtools is good for that, and is it called eth0 (not eth1?)
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3422[22:33:59] <BlenderPro> yea only one nic it's a 2002 laptop
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3426[22:34:14] <BlenderPro> moozer, what do you mean cable connected
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3428[22:34:34] <jmcnaught> BlenderPro: you should ask in #ubuntu, Ubuntu is not supported in #debian
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3430[22:34:58] <moozer> BlenderPro: You know, diodes blinking and such - ethtools is a command line tool that can tell what the system thinks the status is
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3435[22:36:57] <BlenderPro> moozer, I read about ethtool didn't think I'd need it
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3439[22:37:56] <moozer> BlenderPro: "need" hmmm - you don't "need" tcpdump or wireshark, but they are really useful :-)
3440[22:38:13] <module000> BlenderPro: you can also `ip link show <interface>` to see carrier status or not
3441[22:38:16] <moozer> BlenderPro: seriously, double check for a lame bad cable connection
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3444[22:39:21] <moozer> module000: cool, didn't know that (ethtool is more readable, though)
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3447[22:40:26] <BlenderPro> moozer, true
3448[22:40:32] <BlenderPro> module000, thankjs
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3450[22:41:42] <BlenderPro> moozer, it turns out I didn't have a cable connected to the computer
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3452[22:42:19] <BlenderPro> moozer, I had it a while back and I took it off I just thought it was still there wow me
3453[22:43:00] <moozer> BlenderPro: Personal philosophy: Simple errors are simpler to fix - that's why I prefer them
3454[22:43:47] <BlenderPro> moozer, I like getting dirty but I guess this was too easy for me
3455[22:44:25] <moozer> BlenderPro: I have 1. semester network students ... always check simple stuff.
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3477[22:53:20] <neoncortex> moozer: i discovered that, when i set the X11 resolution with xrandr and turn TV-1 off, the i3 fit's the screen xD
3478[22:53:40] <moozer> neoncortex: nice
3479[22:54:02] <neoncortex> so i'll turn the TV-1 off in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ files and it's done
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3515[23:10:06] <Jaga-Jaga> Flas in chromium works, however i now try to watch a video on a website and it says plugin not supported. any clue ?
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3529[23:18:41] <sweb> can i access the server just with public key ? without have private key
3530[23:18:52] <sweb> public key added to authorized_keys
3531[23:19:45] <moozer> sweb: you put the public key on the server, and keep the private key at home
3532[23:20:04] <moozer> sweb: we are talking about ssh now, right?
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3536[23:20:31] <sweb> moozer: right ... i do that ... if some one still my ublic key can access my server ?
3537[23:20:39] <sweb> public key*
3538[23:20:42] <derstrom> no
3539[23:20:50] <derstrom> but they can if they get your private key when it isn't passphrase protected
3540[23:21:02] <derstrom> that's why it's recommended to set a passphrase on your private key when it is generated
3541[23:21:07] <awwal> How to tell aptitude to purge all obsoletes pkgs except pkg A? maintain X pkg as it is without touch it at all (no remove the reinstall or similar stuff)
3542[23:21:07] <sweb> and how just public key saved on server ... interesting ...
3543[23:21:22] <derstrom> that way you have time to change your key before someone potentially gains access to your server if your private key is somehow stolen
3544[23:21:25] <moozer> sweb: ssh-copy-id
3545[23:21:33] <awwal> no remove it then reinstall it ^
3546[23:21:50] <sweb> ok guys ... thank you i got my answer
3547[23:22:04] <moozer> sweb: ssh-copy-id sets a public key - you can multiple.
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3549[23:22:27] <awwal> aptitude purge ~o +A?
3550[23:22:31] <awwal> xD
3551[23:23:35] <Jaga-Jaga> Flash in chromium works, however i now try to watch a video on a website and it says plugin not supported. any clue ?
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3553[23:23:59] <awwal> Jaga-Jaga, amd64 there or i386?
3554[23:24:51] <TomTomTosch> Jaga-Jaga: possibly a DRM feature that is not supported? what website is that if a may ask?
3555[23:25:03] <Jaga-Jaga> i386
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3557[23:25:20] <Jaga-Jaga> TomTomTosch: replaced-url
3558[23:25:44] <awwal> Jaga-Jaga, I use i386 too. pepperflash is no longer available for i386
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3560[23:25:51] <awwal> google has dropped support
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3565[23:27:55] <awwal> pepperflash still available for i386 for jessie but non-upgradable anymore it think so,
3566[23:28:37] <Jaga-Jaga> ...
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3570[23:29:50] <awwal> replaced-url
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3575[23:33:38] <awwal> i386 jessie pepper is every day more outdated
3576[23:34:18] <Jaga-Jaga> sad
3577[23:34:52] <awwal> adobeflash too, but for both i386 & amd64 xD
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3582[23:36:16] <awwal> Jaga-Jaga, you have two choice: live without flash or if you really need it switch to amd64
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3584[23:37:18] <jmcnaught> Jaga-Jaga: sometimes sites have a mobile version you can switch to (possibly with a different URL, or maybe with a user-agent switcher) that doesn't need flash
3585[23:38:04] <awwal> seems that soon all 32bit stuff will be obsolete too
3586[23:39:01] <teraflops> Jaga-Jaga: also mpv (ytdl hook) works with a bunch of sites
3587[23:39:08] <awwal> my i386 system runs just great and smoothly, dont really need/want switch to amd64 :(
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3589[23:39:15] <TomTomTosch> don't think debian will drop i386 for a long while.
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3592[23:39:57] <SuperTramp83> Jaga-Jaga: what do you need flash for, mybe I can help you find an alternative
3593[23:40:01] <teraflops> jmcnaught: well if you want video ...
3594[23:40:11] <teraflops> oops I meant Jaga-Jaga
3595[23:41:16] <bibble> Someone said the other day, they couldn't install let's encrypt on their 64bit 256ram system. Switched to 32 bit, and installed fine.
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3598[23:41:53] <bibble> Not enough ram when 64bit.
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3601[23:42:28] <bibble> Definitely handy to use in limited systems.
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3605[23:44:14] <Jaga-Jaga> STMelon:
3606[23:44:18] <Jaga-Jaga> ok guys thx
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3624[23:49:58] <awwal> replaced-url
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3627[23:50:41] <awwal> TomTomTosch, ^ is an indication :)
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3629[23:51:09] <mrrhq> awwal: Well, you can still use older versions of Debian, or NetBSD or Gentoo or whatever.
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3634[23:51:53] <mrrhq> Most people don't have anything else less than x86_64 dual-core nowadays. Haha.
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3639[23:53:28] <awwal> mrrhq, I will switch to amd64 with stretch release ( my machines are 64 bit compatible).
3640[23:53:32] <TomTomTosch> but this isn't about debian dropping support for i386.
3641[23:53:42] <awwal> right now i run i386 * pae kernel
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3643[23:54:25] <awwal> right, it isn't about that, but thats just an indication on how things are going for 32 b
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3646[23:55:37] <TomTomTosch> i don't think so. it just means that they don't want to support ancient pentiums that noone even uses :P
3647[23:56:13] <mrrhq> awwal: I wonder.. if there is an easy way to upgrade to 64-bit without reinstalling. Either way, good luck! :)
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3651[23:57:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> if you want better performance, you have to use newer processor features
3652[23:58:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1681
3653[23:58:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's about the question if 5000 people should wait 10 extra-seconds a day so that that one guy who still has an amd k6 can run debian
3654[23:58:39] <Cpuroast> lol
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3656[23:58:43] <teraflops> lel
3657[23:58:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> little elephant lady?
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3659[23:59:09] <petn-randall> !lol
3660[23:59:09] <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
3661[23:59:28] <teraflops> CutMeOwnThroat: replaced-url
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