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• 16[00:04:39] <phanes_> hello. does jessie have fglrx?
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• 20[00:05:32] <bazhang> ,v fglrx
• 21[00:05:33] <judd> No package named 'fglrx' was found in amd64.
• 22[00:06:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions fglrx-driver
• 23[00:06:16] <judd> Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 1:15.12-2
• 24[00:06:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, fglrx
• 25[00:06:34] <dpkg> fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see replaced-url
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• 29[00:07:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> phanes_, ^^^
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• 43[00:09:53] <transhuman_> hi! I am trying to setup AWESOME windows manager and Xorg its wierd but what I have created in .xinitrc is being replaced by a bunch of XML code and the first line reads CANNOT OPEN !DOCTYPE: no such file what the heck is all that about? Is this a bug ? Never seen it before!
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• 47[00:10:25] <phanes_> i dont want and wont use the radeon driver because it is subpar for any imaginable use besides flagshipping open source initiatives in magazine articles, so is it that it has issues in gnome but its available, so radeonhd is suggested, or is it that we haven't gotten fglrx working yet with other DE's in jessie?
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• 79[00:12:55] <phanes_> also, lol@gnome. i suspect only distro maintainers still use it.
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• 89[00:14:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> gnome is the default DE so probably a fair amount of people use it
• 90[00:14:57] <phanes_> i always chuckle when i see people in training still using it
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• 94[00:15:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I don't know if *you* can understand the 5-line sentence you said before that, I can't
• 95[00:15:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> why? can't everyone use what they want?
• 96[00:15:59] <phanes_> long story short, radeonhd is a great initiative, its that message in a bottle in the ocean floating to F/OSS initiative success, but its a subpar driver still and i need fglrx
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• 98[00:16:24] <phanes_> it is why i am shopping distros currently, was looking at debian
• 99[00:16:35] <phanes_> also looking at ubuntu, but theyve got networking/routing issues
• 100[00:17:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> transhuman_, if you use gdm3 or somesuch for login, you can just choose what WM/DE is started
• 101[00:17:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> last time I heard radeon became pretty good
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• 103[00:19:07] <meseira> teraflops: ok, thx for the tests
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• 105[00:19:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> but anyway, yes, there is fglrx and you could have seen that here: replaced-url
• 106[00:19:33] <meseira> teraflops: i don't know what is going wrong with my mail server...
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• 110[00:20:13] <phanes_> CutMeOwnThroat: no thats what i mean, they're misrepresenting the project in the announcements, it is still not a very usable driver except for showcasing if you have to actually use the machine for anything, even simple things like browsing the web
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• 113[00:20:57] <phanes_> ive been using it for the last 2 months when support died for it for fedora
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• 115[00:21:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't care. and I heard it here from people who have to use it.
• 116[00:21:06] <teraflops> meseira: I do sasl in my postfix perhaps youre missing somethint in the ~/.msmtp config file that suits your postfix config
• 117[00:21:07] <phanes_> and i am so tired of it that im changing distros
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• 121[00:22:00] <phanes_> heh. well, i cant beat your religion with my reality, i really was just inquiring if fglrx was available. i dont use gnome.
• 122[00:22:03] <teraflops> thing*
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• 124[00:23:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I answered you. you can skip any comments about religion, you seem to have an agenda, I don't CARE if radeon is good or not, but I may just trust other people's opionion that I know more than 1 minute more than yours
• 125[00:24:04] <meseira> teraflops: i do sasl too
• 126[00:24:17] <teraflops> meseira: here replaced-url
• 127[00:24:18] <meseira> teraflops: i don't see what i am doing wrong
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• 129[00:25:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> I'll care if it's good enough for me or not when I have an ati card, which I don't
• 130[00:25:31] <teraflops> meseira: I dont see a single warning neither on the smstp nor the postfix
• 131[00:25:52] <meseira> teraflops: i just tried to configure msmtp to send mail with my gmail account and it works... but the recipient server (not mine, a working one) reject the mail
• 132[00:26:11] <jmcnaught> phanes_: i played some first person shooters at 1080p using the radeon driver in wheezy, i wouldn't discount it right away. also it'll integrate better with the rest of your linux distro
• 133[00:26:12] <teraflops> meseira: hmm
• 134[00:26:42] <meseira> teraflops: i think that i will just forget these light mail senders, it could be nice but too cryptic to me :-(
• 135[00:26:46] <phanes_> i wont use it anymore or justify fglrx, it justifies itself
• 136[00:26:53] <phanes_> is it available?
• 137[00:27:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> I fucking told you twice now
• 138[00:27:27] <teraflops> meseira: heh I told you hours ago that I'm fine doing postfix in relay mode :p
• 139[00:27:39] <meseira> thx for spending time on my problem, i am going to think about all this stuff during the night ;-)
• 140[00:27:44] <phanes_> doh. it is. sorry about that, small screen. im in emergency mode.
• 141[00:27:53] <meseira> teraflops:yeah and you were definitely right :-)
• 142[00:27:54] <teraflops> meseira: nah np
• 143[00:28:07] <meseira> teraflops:gn
• 144[00:28:15] <teraflops> gn there too
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• 161[00:33:33] <IAT> hi
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• 163[00:33:52] <IAT> how do i get kali linux's tools in debian 8?
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• 166[00:36:36] <teraflops> IAT: install it in a VM?
• 167[00:36:56] <IAT> I have my lappy with me, no need for vm!
• 168[00:37:26] <nebg> hello everyone... does anybody know if it's possible and good to do to create man pages for personal documentation ? for example my summaries ? and if there is something that automates it ? i mean something that let me define sections etc...
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• 170[00:38:19] <lukey> nebg, better use an wiki
• 171[00:38:28] <nebg> lukey, ok like ?
• 172[00:40:15] <teraflops> IAT: then install from debian repos all the available tools, and grab the rest from their respective sources and patch/compile/install them, also maybe you need a more up to date kernel than the stock kernel from jessie
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• 187[00:45:16] <lukey> nebg, i dunno. I would go for this one: replaced-url
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• 290[01:29:12] <markybob> is there any kind of image recognition software for debian? i have many tens of thousands of images from weddings (wife is a photographer) and it'd be nice to be able to search for a face and find it
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• 293[01:30:00] <Guest78521> Hello, jmcnaught, TomTomTosch! I return from the other day
• 294[01:30:20] <Guest78521> I upgraded to stretch, and that fixed the wifi issue
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• 298[01:30:56] <Guest78521> but now I'm getting CPU soft lockup errors and things just randomly crash
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• 301[01:31:28] <markybob> Guest78521: random crashes happen in testing. it's testing. btw, testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 304[01:32:34] <Guest78521> But googling around, it seems this is a common issue, not just on testing, with Skylake processors (or maybe certain nvidia graphics cards?)
• 305[01:32:45] <Guest78521> I haven't found a solution anywhere though
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• 308[01:33:37] <markybob> Guest78521: for skylake you really need 4.5. but you're still in the wrong place
• 309[01:33:58] <Guest78521> Alright. Well, thank you!
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• 314[01:35:03] <markybob> Guest78521: seriously though...compile 4.5. should fix your problem
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• 328[01:39:36] <slact> hi, i'm the author of an nginx module included in the nginx-extras package. I've made a lot of updates to it, including security fixes and new features, and i've contacted the maintainer of the nginx package via email about it over a month ago. however, i haven't received a response. what should i do?
• 329[01:39:55] <slact> (the module in question is the nginx http push module, known today as nchan)
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• 332[01:41:22] <markybob> slact: hrm. i'd probably try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
• 333[01:41:31] <markybob> i don't know
• 334[01:41:34] <slact> will do, thanks
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• 347[01:47:39] <Guest78521> markybob: Alright, thank you! I'm just grabbing the ubuntu 4.5 kernel from here replaced-url
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• 350[01:48:07] <markybob> !tell Guest78521 about dontbreakdebian
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• 353[01:48:49] <markybob> i mean just the kernel will probably be fine. i don't know. i don't touch ubuntu stuff
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• 431[02:21:30] <awal1> Sometimes apt retains/hold some packages because of unsatisfied dependencies and it doesn't tell why, neither aptitude why-not, I only can check why executing "aptitude full-upgrade". Any clue on how to make apt, the package manager I usually use, to show why X package is automatically held back (retained)?
• 432[02:21:46] <awal1> retain/hold automatically ^
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• 471[02:43:23] <nebg> hello everyone, is there a way to have installed multiple desktop environments but keep separate configuration files ?becaus my theme gets overwritten everytime i switch Desktop environment... any idea ?
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• 491[02:55:27] <awal1> nebg, which DE exactly? Usually only kde overwrites other DE theming. At least, thats my experience
• 492[02:56:13] <awal1> That also happens if you use lxappearance
• 493[02:56:33] <nebg> awal1, ok any idea on how to prevent it ?
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• 495[02:57:35] <nebg> awal1, i don't want kde to overwrite configuration is there a way ?
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• 533[03:11:13] <awal1> nebg, I hope you will find a solution, which thing I wasn't able to achive... I ended up not mixing kde with other DE if I want to have each DE with it own theme...
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• 564[03:26:22] <awal1> nebg, a workaround, tedious workaround, is deleting the .gtkrc file in your home dir
• 565[03:27:25] <awal1> but it only works for a single login; you must repeat the process continuously...
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• 567[03:28:54] <themill> wouldn't you just configure kde to not change gtk settings?
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• 569[03:29:34] <awal1> the problem is how...
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• 571[03:29:58] <themill> Well kde-config-gtk-style is the opposite of what you want
• 572[03:31:26] <awal1> yes, but at least it makes xfce, gnome... use their gtk icons
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• 574[03:31:59] <awal1> thats why I said it only helps a bit
• 575[03:33:33] <awal1> one thing kde-config-gtk-style lis that it lets you choose which icon themes to use for gtk apps
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• 578[03:35:23] <awal1> so if you chose adwaita icon theme or tango, under xfce, gnome, lxde ... you will get adwaita or tango icons
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• 580[03:36:22] <awal1> kde will also use the chosen icon theme for gtk applications when in kde session
• 581[03:36:27] <awal1> thats all
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• 638[04:09:12] <deego> hm, xscreensaver in stable complains about being "very old. please upgrade."
• 639[04:09:48] <markybob> deego: known. don't worry about it. replaced-url
• 640[04:09:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 643[04:11:01] <deego> markybob: thanks
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• 649[04:15:12] <pjp_> Hi, does anyone have pointers on how to create a standalone jessie usb stick with a preseed file?
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• 653[04:16:35] <pjp_> I got tons of info on how to specify the file and what to put in it but not how to create say a full usb stick with at least the first DVD on it
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• 656[04:17:24] <pjp_> ideally i'd like to specify the boot options as well
• 657[04:17:34] <pjp_> once i pop in the usb stick
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• 659[04:17:38] <pjp_> and boot from it
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• 678[04:27:55] <daica> hi guys
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• 680[04:28:03] <daica> can someone help me :)
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• 688[04:29:43] <daica> there is a file in my usb external drive that I could not open and test.temp
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• 692[04:30:03] <daica> this caused my drive unable to view the content and I couldn't remove it. can someone give me a hint?
• 693[04:30:15] <daica> it says input/output error when i tried to remove it
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• 700[04:31:55] <pjp_> daica: is there anything using it?
• 701[04:32:03] <daica> nope
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• 703[04:34:15] <cherry_l1n> does anyone have unused AGP video cards
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• 712[04:41:51] <transhuman_> hi can anyone tell me what would be at fault if xdm shows only the field for user name (no password field shown and fails to launch xfce4, however xfce4 launches with the command startx, and the last line of the log says seems to indicate that it may have passed off to xfce4 but doesnt actually name xfce4
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• 715[04:43:21] <markybob> transhuman_: i don't use xdm but most xfce users use lightdm and it works well for me here on jessie
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• 727[04:48:52] <edju> Trouble upgrading. sources.list had the mirror at uchicago,edu which was fine until a couple days ago - now not been able to connect. So I switched to httpredir.debian.org and received a "Failed to fetch" error for jessie-updates - "Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file". I don't think sources.list is malformed - deb replaced-url
• 728[04:48:52] <edju> Anyone with a hint at what's happening here?
• 729[04:48:59] <transhuman_> ok I will try that instead thanks cause gdm and kdm have a ridiculous sized footprint
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• 732[04:49:32] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb replaced-url
• 733[04:50:12] <markybob> hrm. i thought greycat had put something in there about it causing people problems
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• 735[04:52:58] <awal1> transhuman_, just let you know that xfce should be started with 'startxfce4' not with xfce4-session. check if xdm has a wrong configurations about that
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• 737[04:58:16] <awal1> edju, I had troubles today with debian mirrors (stretch/sid) but after a couple of hours all became fine again; sounds like mirrors/repositories temporary troubles
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• 746[05:07:45] <themill> edju: it's non-free not nonfree
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• 758[05:11:39] <edju> themill, Yes, of course. I must have looked at that 100 times, and never caught it. Thanks for your good eyesight.
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• 802[05:38:06] <awal1> themill, +1
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• 908[06:37:45] <Guest23962> Ever since upgrading to 8.4 today, my computer has crashed four times for no apparent reason. Screen goes blank though the mouse pointer is still visible, and I have to do a hard restart.
• 909[06:38:15] <Guest23962> Anyone else seeing similar behavior? Any ideas on what to do?
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• 913[06:40:43] <Rusty1_> Guest23962: what is the cpu? and the kernel?
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• 917[06:41:57] <Guest23962> Kernel 3.16.4, I think.
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• 919[06:42:29] <Rusty1_> uname -r in a termial to see
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• 923[06:42:57] <Guest23962> CPU AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+. It's an old machine.
• 924[06:43:35] <Guest23962> Oops, 3.16.0-4-amd64
• 925[06:43:36] <Rusty1_> ok, not a j1900 intel , cant help oyerwise
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• 930[06:43:50] <Rusty1_> *otherwise
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• 950[06:59:29] <jmcnaught> Guest23962: have you looked in your logs for errors? try checking your syslog for the period right before the crash, you can put errors on replaced-url
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• 952[07:01:00] <jmcnaught> Guest23962: you might also consider enabling persistent journald with the instructions in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian, journalctl can be easier to use than grepping syslog
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• 956[07:03:08] <Guest23962> I'll look up the syslog and the persistent journald.
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• 959[07:03:30] <Guest23962> I'm trying to remember many things that I've forgotten because the system used to run so well. :-/
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• 974[07:09:59] <jmcnaught> Guest23962: instead of hard reset you could try going to a virtual console with Ctrl+Alt+F1 or F2, it might be enough to restart your display manager from there with something like "systemctl restart gdm" for example.
• 975[07:10:43] <jmcnaught> Guest23962: or using this: replaced-url
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• 986[07:20:06] <Guest23962> Back again. I'll try a virtual console if there is a next time. For now, I've found some " Application may misbehave." messages just before the crash. They're KDE related.
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• 991[07:23:29] <Guest23962> It looks kind of ugly in paste.debian.net
• 992[07:23:51] <Guest23962> replaced-url
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• 994[07:27:23] <jmcnaught> Guest23962: those look more like warnings than errors, but if you keep seeing them right before a crash they could be related. did you find anything when you searched the web for them? checking the debian bug tracker for those programs might be helpful too
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• 998[07:30:54] <Guest23962> JM, those were the very last messages before the latest crash. I'm currently running from a live USB image. I'm still looking though the messages.
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• 1000[07:33:30] <Guest23962> Those four messages seem to precede every crash.
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• 1022[07:49:50] <asarch> I did: apt-get -y remove foo, how could "purge" its configutations?
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• 1026[07:52:36] <awal1> "apt-get --purge autoremove asarch"
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• 1028[07:53:33] <asarch> There is a bug for the virtualenvwrapper package, it doesn't delete the Bash completion: /usr/share/virtualenvwrapper/virtualenvwrapper_lazy.sh: No such file or directory
• 1029[07:53:38] <asarch> Thank you awal1
• 1030[07:53:42] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
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• 1032[07:54:06] <awal1> asarch, excuses, it wasnt for you
• 1033[07:54:15] <asarch> D'oh!
• 1034[07:54:25] <asarch> Ok, thank you anyway :-P
• 1035[07:54:25] <awal1> asarch, next time rirectly run apt-get purge foo
• 1036[07:54:50] <asarch> But what if I already delete the package?
• 1037[07:55:03] <asarch> s/delete/uninstall/
• 1038[07:55:05] <awal1> same
• 1039[07:55:23] <awal1> run again apt-get purge foo
• 1040[07:55:38] <asarch> Ok
• 1041[07:55:42] <asarch> Wow! Thank you!
• 1042[07:55:46] <asarch> It worked
• 1043[07:55:49] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
• 1044[07:56:01] <awal1> foo is removed yet that will purge foo files
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• 1046[07:56:58] <asarch> Ok
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• 1048[07:57:37] <awal1> remove unnecessary packages installed by foo with autoremove or purge them too using apt-get "--purge autoremve foo"
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• 1050[07:58:18] <awal1> or "aptitude purge ~c"
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• 1052[08:00:06] <awal1> asarch, excuses again, a bit sleepy here, I mean purge unnecessary packages installed by foo with " apt-get --purge autoremove"
• 1053[08:00:34] <asarch> Ok
• 1054[08:00:35] <asarch> :-)
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• 1066[08:11:42] * ecemm sex video replaced-url
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• 1199[09:50:37] <__marco> Good morning. I have a question about the wifi configuration. I am using ifupdown and wpa_supplicant and everything works good
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• 1201[09:51:52] <__marco> But now suppose that the laptop connects to a network A and I move to a zone where there is a network B. Both are correctly configured.
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• 1205[09:52:47] <__marco> Does the laptop start to use the second network?
• 1206[09:53:39] <dutchfish> __marco, not when the wifi B network is being setup as a known network, you have to apply its credentials
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• 1208[09:54:15] <nitzs> has anyone used google dns over https?
• 1209[09:54:21] <dutchfish> __marco, are net A and B connected to the same firewall?
• 1210[09:54:30] <__marco> dutchfish: Should I stop the netword (wpa_action wlan0 stop) and up again?
• 1211[09:54:35] <__marco> dutchfish: no
• 1212[09:54:49] <__marco> s/netword/network/
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• 1215[09:55:18] <dutchfish> __marco, you dont need a restart when your networkmanager is setup for both networks
• 1216[09:55:58] <__marco> dutchfish: I am sorry, then I did not understand your first statement
• 1217[09:56:02] <dutchfish> __marco, iow has the credentails stored for both SID's
• 1218[09:57:02] <__marco> I am sorry, I still don't understand what you mean
• 1219[09:57:41] <dutchfish> __marco, in the networkmanager you can configure to automatically connect to both wifi net's, depending on the one available.
• 1220[09:59:52] <__marco> dutchfish: I am not using networkmanager, but suppose I do. The computer connects both to A or B, both networks are configured. But *after* that I connected to network A, if I move to network B, does networkmanager connect automatically to network B?
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• 1222[10:00:10] <dutchfish> __marco, its all in here replaced-url
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• 1224[10:00:34] <dutchfish> __marco, yes, i fconfigured properly
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• 1227[10:00:41] <dutchfish> __marco, yes, if configured properly
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• 1232[10:01:18] <__marco> dutchfish: the computer is an intel edison and I can configure it only once. It don't have a display.
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• 1235[10:02:07] <dutchfish> __marco, you can configure it as any headless box, i suppose
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• 1237[10:03:41] <__marco> dutchfish: yes, but someone reported me that, once the computer connected to network A, it does not connect to network B and the reverse
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• 1240[10:04:36] <dutchfish> __marco, no idea, for your hardware, but i did simular on raspberry pi's and laptops running Debian, that was not a problem
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• 1242[10:05:18] <dutchfish> __marco, you can even do roaming over wifi
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• 1245[10:05:37] <dutchfish> __marco, if your hardware supports that
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• 1248[10:06:45] <__marco> dutchfish: the two networks do not necessary overlap
• 1249[10:06:49] <dutchfish> __marco, sometimes, hardware doesnt follow state, you could write your own, but pinging a known ip and restart your wifi when it is unreachable or something
• 1250[10:07:16] <dutchfish> __marco, no, i got that
• 1251[10:07:34] <__marco> yes, a cron script is my last resource
• 1252[10:08:06] <dutchfish> __marco, you have the ask the the guys form that board
• 1253[10:08:26] <moonwolf1> i have read that Firefox will return to Debian is that true?
• 1254[10:08:35] <__marco> dutchfish: I will, thanks
• 1255[10:08:39] <dutchfish> yw
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• 1257[10:08:52] <__marco> moonwolf1: yes
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• 1259[10:09:56] <moonwolf1> does it work to install it now?
• 1260[10:10:08] <__marco> moonwolf1: I am using it now
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• 1262[10:10:35] <moonwolf1> where can i find it? is it in the backports repo?
• 1263[10:10:40] <__marco> mozilla.debian.net repositories
• 1264[10:10:51] <__marco> deb replaced-url
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• 1272[10:16:48] <moonwolf1> thanks, finally firefox again
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• 1296[10:40:50] <dutchfish> Nik05, skip the mister ;)
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• 1309[10:47:14] <veek> help aid assist - dist-upgrade does nothing so my distro is uptodate BUT my version is 8.3
• 1310[10:47:23] <veek> how can this bee?
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• 1312[10:47:39] <veek> 8.4 is out etc
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• 1316[10:47:47] <dutchfish> veek, have you actually done aptitude update before that?
• 1317[10:47:54] <veek> oh oops
• 1318[10:48:08] <veek> sorry forgot
• 1319[10:48:13] <dutchfish> np
• 1320[10:50:35] <dutchfish> veek, actually the complete sequence i use is `aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade`, just in case some dependecies need this when a new point-upgrade arrives
• 1321[10:51:22] <veek> dutchfish, ah i use apt mostly
• 1322[10:51:36] <dutchfish> veek, sure apt-get will do fine for this one
• 1323[10:51:40] <veek> so apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
• 1324[10:51:54] <dutchfish> veek, yes, fair enough
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• 1369[11:22:03] <cisc0> hello
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• 1376[11:25:28] * arahael installs windows xp just to play simcity.
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• 1394[11:31:50] <Hachya> hello
• 1395[11:32:03] <Hachya> arahael: ouch
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• 1398[11:32:37] <arahael> Hachya: Strangely, I'm more comfortable with the windows bit. It's the Oracle bit that's the ouch.
• 1399[11:32:44] <arahael> Using VirtualBox.
• 1400[11:33:10] <Hachya> Hah, vbox is fine, it's not like "Oracle oracle"
• 1401[11:33:24] <Hachya> 11G, etc
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• 1403[11:34:24] <arahael> Hachya: Until they copyright the *api* again.
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• 1415[11:38:55] <edoardo> Hello! I'm having some issues with DNSes on debian
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• 1417[11:39:20] <edoardo> I can't seem to be able to flush the cache, so a domain i bought yesterday keeps showing the parking page
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• 1420[11:40:01] <edoardo> The dns server on my router is ok, since my phone can reach the website just fine. However debian keeps getting the old ip even if i'm using "ping"
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• 1441[11:51:15] <petemc> edoardo: there isnt any cache by default
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• 1443[11:51:38] <edoardo> petemc: Solved it. I set a dns server who cached the request
• 1444[11:52:02] <petemc> cool
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• 1509[12:28:22] <epicCane> Witch DE use the least amount of ram?
• 1510[12:28:52] <arahael> epicCane: Not really a good question, unless you want to do a huge amount of investigation.
• 1511[12:29:28] <arahael> epicCane: The minimalist WM's use a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of RAM. You could combine one with say, Rox Filer to get a "desktop" that uses a minimal amount of RAM.
• 1512[12:29:34] <epicCane> I have 2gb of ram and don't witch de to use
• 1513[12:30:06] <arahael> Ah, well, actually most will be fine with that. I'd probably suggest XFCE4, or something, but there are a few good newer lightweight ones around.
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• 1516[12:30:33] <epicCane> I herd mate was good choice
• 1517[12:30:55] <epicCane> Normally I would just download each one but I have slow internet
• 1518[12:31:13] <digdilem> xfce4 is relatively lightweight and easy to use. it's a good recommendation
• 1519[12:31:26] <RoyK^Heime> LXDE is lightweight
• 1520[12:31:36] <arahael> LXDE was the other one I was trying to recall.
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• 1522[12:31:40] <RoyK^Heime> I use that with some rpis with jessie
• 1523[12:31:54] <Se7en> For some reason adding an entry to /etc/modules isn't working
• 1524[12:32:11] <Se7en> What am I doing wrong. Am I missing something? Do I have to restart Systemd or something
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• 1526[12:32:35] <RoyK^Heime> Se7en: iirc it's just read during reboot - modprobe the mod
• 1527[12:32:36] <jelly> Se7en: did you reboot
• 1528[12:32:43] <Se7en> Yes
• 1529[12:32:54] <Se7en> I rebooted to test it, I still needed to run modprobe after logging in
• 1530[12:33:06] <jelly> Se7en: which module did you add, and does it exist with the kernel you've booted
• 1531[12:33:19] <Se7en> It is a driver
• 1532[12:33:31] <Se7en> b43
• 1533[12:33:32] <Se7en> ecryptfs
• 1534[12:33:37] <Se7en> Are the only things in the file
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• 1536[12:34:26] <Se7en> I put them in that order
• 1537[12:34:58] <jelly> the order does not matter, it ought to work I guess as long as you have the firmware for that b43 thing in place
• 1538[12:35:19] <jelly> and the fact it works with modprobe means it's there
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• 1542[12:36:42] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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• 1544[12:37:19] <Se7en> I know it works. Running the modprobe makes it work. It just isn't starting at boot
• 1545[12:37:31] <ychaouche> How does EOL work ? when will the EOL of current release be known ? I can't find it on replaced-url
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• 1548[12:39:47] <epsilon> EOL = End of regular security support (without LTS)
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• 1550[12:40:05] <arahael> And if you're microsoft: EOL = "Removal of all downloads". </bitter>
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• 1552[12:40:27] <epsilon> EOL is usualy a year after the next version has been released
• 1553[12:40:53] <jelly> Se7en: pastebin the output of "systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service"
• 1554[12:41:04] <Se7en> ok
• 1555[12:41:13] <Se7en> As root?
• 1556[12:41:49] <jelly> dunno, wfm even as normal user
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• 1563[12:44:26] <Se7en> replaced-url
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• 1565[12:45:24] <Se7en> jelly,
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• 1568[12:47:49] <jelly> Se7en: no mention of b43 at all, what about, dunno, dmesg|grep -A5 -B5 b43
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• 1570[12:48:49] <Se7en> replaced-url
• 1571[12:48:50] <jelly> Se7en: and your /etc/modules and output of "ls -la /*/modules-load.d/*.conf" too
• 1572[12:49:12] <Se7en> It has a number of messages on b43
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• 1576[12:50:16] <Se7en> replaced-url
• 1577[12:50:30] <jelly> at two minutes after boot, that's probably your manual modprobe
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• 1579[12:50:59] <Se7en> replaced-url
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• 1595[12:59:37] <Se7en> jelly, what do you think
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• 1599[13:04:27] <Se7en> jelly? Still there? I'm going to go to sleep soon
• 1600[13:04:31] <Se7en> It is nighttime
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• 1602[13:05:07] <epicCane> sleep is for the weak
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• 1611[13:13:15] <Se7en> jelly,
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• 1627[13:18:57] <jelly> Se7en: dunno, stuff looks fine except I couldn't read replaced-url
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• 1632[13:20:15] <Se7en> it expired
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• 1634[13:20:24] <Se7en> I set it to 10 minutes
• 1635[13:21:30] <Se7en> I'll come back tomorrow
• 1636[13:21:32] <Se7en> too tired
• 1637[13:22:21] <jelly> g' night
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• 1649[13:30:22] <zmitya> hi guys
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• 1651[13:30:45] <zmitya> wherte is the documentation for Jessie about where to put a custom systemd service file ?
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• 1653[13:30:53] <zmitya> which manpage contsins it ?
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• 1655[13:31:06] <zmitya> *contains
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• 1662[13:36:49] <zmitya> just found it: pkg-config systemd --variable=systemduserunitdir
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• 1691[14:03:00] <debtest8> hello, was wondering about a thing
• 1692[14:03:06] <debtest8> what alternative i can use to ntop
• 1693[14:03:21] <debtest8> my main goal is record the traffic usage during the month and so on
• 1694[14:03:40] <debtest8> i saw cacti, it seems nice with the common old style mrtg graphs but is complex to setup?
• 1695[14:03:55] <abrotman> what's wrong with ntop ?>
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• 1697[14:04:47] <debtest8> abrotman: i don't really like it's interface
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• 1701[14:05:58] <abrotman> there's ntopng also
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• 1704[14:08:22] <paxcoder> I'm trying to netinstall testing from a stick, but regardless of the mirror I choose, it fails on the step "Select and install programs". Can I debug this, or do you have an idea of what could be causing this?
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• 1708[14:10:06] <paxcoder> I think I've had this problem foraybe a year and a half now. By the way the iso checksum before dding was good.
• 1709[14:10:20] <markybob> paxcoder: known error. use stable netinst and then dist-upgrade
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• 1713[14:11:28] <paxcoder> markybob: oh? i didn't know. what is the problem?
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• 1719[14:13:49] <paxcoder> The prob is with the installer I assume? I cant just hack the sources, can I?
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• 1722[14:14:13] <markybob> paxcoder: it's the alpha installer.
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• 1725[14:15:24] <paxcoder> How come the problem persists for so long? Is it predicated on something specific?
• 1726[14:15:57] <markybob> paxcoder: i'm not sure. i just see people in here every day complaining about it. it's alpha. it's not supposed to work all the time :P
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• 1734[14:18:23] <paxcoder> It's annoying that it persist and there's no real warning about it. Lucky for me that you knew about it, thanks.
• 1735[14:18:53] <paxcoder> Will download stable on a different machine then I suppose
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• 1747[14:25:09] <Walakea> how do i update libre office on a stable system to the backported version without breaking the system?
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• 1750[14:25:53] <markybob> Walakea: replaced-url
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• 1755[14:30:54] <Walakea> in synaptic, when i force backported version on package libreoffice it breaks the dependecies
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• 1759[14:32:07] <moonwolf1> when i log in it comes up some thing like "this version of xscreensaver is very old please upgrade" message, is there a way to make this message go away?
• 1760[14:32:12] <abrotman> maybe stop trying to use synaptic and do it the right way?
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• 1762[14:33:45] <abrotman> moonwolf1: didn't you ask about this yesterday?
• 1763[14:33:51] <moonwolf1> no
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• 1767[14:34:19] <abrotman> replaced-url
• 1768[14:34:21] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1779[14:39:39] <Walakea> so i can just sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install libreoffice even if i already have stable package, will it work?
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• 1785[14:40:45] <lesley> Any way to reliably install NVidia drivers as it is in Ubuntu, that is, without breaking graphics entirely?
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• 1787[14:40:53] <lesley> (unless the 8.3 installer provides the option)
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• 1790[14:41:51] <dvs> lesley, you mean 8.4?
• 1791[14:42:18] <lesley> wat fuk
• 1792[14:42:24] <lesley> it isn't here replaced-url
• 1793[14:42:32] <lesley> sid?
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• 1795[14:42:57] <Walakea> when did Debian become 8.4?
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• 1797[14:43:01] <lesley> exactly
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• 1799[14:43:16] <Walakea> yesterday?
• 1800[14:43:16] <markybob> yesterday
• 1801[14:43:20] <lesley> also, is there a live sid install? I like to be on the splintered edge...
• 1802[14:43:27] <markybob> no
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• 1805[14:43:41] <markybob> !nvidia
• 1806[14:43:41] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
• 1807[14:43:43] <lesley> is upgrading to sid a supported ritual?
• 1808[14:43:51] <markybob> lesley: no
• 1809[14:43:56] <[zz]> hi, I get this weird error when trying to install python (2.7) by doing sudo aptitude install python
• 1810[14:43:57] <[zz]> replaced-url
• 1811[14:43:58] <lesley> humbug!
• 1812[14:44:00] <markybob> lesley: you really need to read the /topic it seems
• 1813[14:44:09] <lesley> oh
• 1814[14:44:16] <lesley> invite only
• 1815[14:44:27] <dvs> lesley, on OFTC
• 1816[14:44:28] <markybob> lesley: it's on oftc. not freenode
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• 1818[14:44:41] <markybob> you really shouldn't touch sid if you can't read that
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• 1820[14:44:57] <lesley> well ima do it anyway
• 1821[14:44:59] <lesley> :D
• 1822[14:45:07] <lesley> thank you, i must be off now
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• 1824[14:46:59] <dvs> see ya again soon
• 1825[14:47:11] <[zz]> anyone around to help?
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• 1830[14:49:11] <moonwolf1> seems to be a annoying bug... also an article about it on distrowatch: replaced-url
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• 1833[14:50:12] <markybob> moonwolf1: it's stupid. there's a patch if you read the bug report. apply it. or use light-locker instead
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• 1835[14:50:25] <[zz]> anyone?
• 1836[14:50:27] <[zz]> ugh
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• 1838[14:50:59] <bumbar> i'm using jessie and would like to install g++5, which seems is only available in strech and sid, will it break anything?
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• 1840[14:51:05] <moonwolf1> yeah no need for distrowatch to write about it...
• 1841[14:51:34] <cwood> bumbar: you just brought this page to mind. ;) replaced-url
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• 1843[14:51:46] <moonwolf1> have already read the bug report btw
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• 1846[14:52:47] <themill> [zz]: what's the output of "apt-cache policy python2.7 libpython2.7-minimal; apt-cache policy"
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• 1849[14:54:33] <[zz]> themill, replaced-url
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• 1851[14:54:41] <bumbar> cwood, is there no other way than breaking it, or moving to testing branch?
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• 1854[14:55:30] <ychaouche> ok thanks epsilon
• 1855[14:55:35] <cwood> You would likely be fine just installing the lib and compiler, by my experience. Assuming it even installs without replacing other components. But if you see a conflict it's time to back off.
• 1856[14:55:38] <themill> [zz]: what does "aptitude reinstall libpython2.7-minimal" do?
• 1857[14:56:00] <cwood> bumbar: You might try running a virtual machine of sid, that way you'll have access to all the latest without breaking your current stable.
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• 1861[14:57:58] <[zz]> themill, replaced-url
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• 1868[14:59:49] <themill> [zz]: then try "aptitude reinstall libpython2.7-stdlib libpython2.7-minimal"
• 1869[15:00:09] <donttrustem> hi, has anyone here used s3fs to mount a ams bucket?
• 1870[15:00:18] <themill> [zz]: did you delete /usr/lib/python2.7/ or something?
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• 1873[15:00:44] <[zz]> themill, it setup everything fine now
• 1874[15:01:02] <padawanLearner> hi there
• 1875[15:01:06] <donttrustem> amazon s3 bucket I mean
• 1876[15:02:02] <[zz]> themill, it works fine now, thanks
• 1877[15:02:11] <themill> [zz]: you might want to use "debsums" or "dpkg --verify" to check what other files are missing
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• 1879[15:04:18] <[zz]> themill, replaced-url
• 1880[15:05:12] <themill> [zz]: yeah, you might want to figure out why that tree is missing. Either human error deleting something or a filesystem/disk that is unhappy.
• 1881[15:05:28] <themill> [zz]: "aptitude reinstall ~npython~i" might be worthwhile
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• 1887[15:06:45] <[zz]> replaced-url
• 1888[15:07:05] <padawanLearner> i got irw spitting out the commands, but kody just does not pick them up
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• 1908[15:22:03] <themill> [zz]: you could manually pick that list apart a bit to make aptitude happier (I'm not sure why that's needed here though)
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• 1914[15:24:03] <lesley> Got that right, dvs...
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• 1921[15:30:39] <paxcoder> Why is popcon using e-mail?
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• 1923[15:31:12] <abrotman> instead of?
• 1924[15:31:46] <themill> it only does if you configure it to
• 1925[15:32:37] <paxcoder> themill: that's default. What other options are there?
• 1926[15:32:43] <themill> it's not
• 1927[15:33:04] <paxcoder> Why do you say that?
• 1928[15:33:08] <themill> you'd dpkg-reconfigure it
• 1929[15:33:15] <teraflops> Heh
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• 1935[15:34:32] <themill> I'd say that because it is: replaced-url
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• 1939[15:36:16] <paxcoder> themill: weird is this new?
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• 1941[15:36:30] <paxcoder> abrotman: that
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• 1943[15:37:02] <abrotman> that what? You're saying you want to use HTTP to submit?
• 1944[15:37:05] <themill> If by "new" you mean 12 years.
• 1945[15:37:06] <abrotman> or just not SMTP?
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• 1947[15:38:12] <paxcoder> themill: it used to try and send emails afair and i didnt touch the conf... obviously
• 1948[15:38:48] <paxcoder> abrotman: not smtp it skews results. web is good
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• 1951[15:39:00] <abrotman> skews the results?
• 1952[15:39:18] <paxcoder> biased towards servers
• 1953[15:39:24] <abrotman> why is that?
• 1954[15:39:48] <paxcoder> desktops dont tend to have mail srvs set up
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• 1957[15:39:58] <abrotman> I don't see how that's related?
• 1958[15:39:59] <paxcoder> is that not obvious?
• 1959[15:40:08] <abrotman> It's not related
• 1960[15:40:17] <paxcoder> i differ
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• 1962[15:40:24] <abrotman> and, there are lots of servers that aren't mail servers .. your point fails there also
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• 1965[15:40:38] <paxcoder> it doesnt
• 1966[15:40:49] <abrotman> and there are lots of admins that can't configure a server to send mail
• 1967[15:41:11] <paxcoder> my point is simply that more srvs run mail srvs than desktops
• 1968[15:41:29] <themill> why are you arguing over a default that was changed over a decade ago?
• 1969[15:41:29] <abrotman> Again, it has nothing to do with being a mail server
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• 1971[15:42:07] <abrotman> That's like saying my laptop can't send email because it's not a mail server
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• 1973[15:42:36] <abrotman> and that's clearly not true
• 1974[15:42:48] <paxcoder> popcon tries to send as @localhost
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• 1976[15:43:13] <paxcoder> the install doesnt ask you to choose
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• 1978[15:43:35] <abrotman> and what?
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• 1982[15:44:40] <paxcoder> and so disproportionately more srv admins make it work than desk. users
• 1983[15:45:49] <abrotman> You really don't understand ..
• 1984[15:45:51] <abrotman> Have a nice day
• 1985[15:46:35] <paxcoder> if so, it's because you didnt help me understand, socrates
• 1986[15:46:38] <themill> paxcoder: that's not relevant to how popcon results are used and we've already established that the default was changed over a decade ago. We're now into you arguing for at least 10 minutes just for the sake of having an argument. Please move on.
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• 1988[15:47:21] <paxcoder> themill: i was curteously answering questions
• 1989[15:47:21] <abrotman> paxcoder: I tried, you continue to stubbornly believe you're correct.
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• 1991[15:47:49] <paxcoder> abrotman would not appreciate if i ignored him i'm sure
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• 1993[15:47:59] * abrotman wouldn't give a crap
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• 1995[15:48:10] <abrotman> it works for jhutchins, he's been doing it for years :)
• 1996[15:48:11] <paxcoder> abrotman: your efforts were minimal
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• 1998[15:48:18] <themill> paxcoder: moving on
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• 2002[15:49:29] <paxcoder> but seriously i can ignore, i'm just not used to it, i consider it rude i guess
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• 2008[15:51:15] <themill> zz: did that sort it out?
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• 2011[15:51:29] <zz> themill, yeah its all working now
• 2012[15:51:41] <themill> good to hear
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• 2016[15:51:45] <dvs> darn, we helped someone
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• 2020[15:53:46] <[GH0ST]> So I saw Solus and then looked at Chromium OS... are they any better?
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• 2028[15:57:37] <abrotman> [GH0ST]: This is #debian ?
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• 2030[15:58:05] <[GH0ST]> debian-testing is at 81% downloaded, there is still time to reconsider.
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• 2039[16:00:16] <antena-cli> grawity: That problem was solved miraculously.
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• 2043[16:01:13] <ku678j> hello. running debian sid. set the language to english and the formats to german. the top panel clock keeps ignoring this and also gnome-calendar starts with sunday instead of monday. How to fix this?
• 2044[16:01:49] <[GH0ST]> Guys, I have a revolutionary idea.
• 2045[16:01:55] <[GH0ST]> What if, get this, what if
• 2046[16:02:04] <[GH0ST]> We use Javascript for Windowed applications?
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• 2048[16:02:26] <[GH0ST]> Actually never mind that's fucking stupid, it doesn't interface with assembly.
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• 2106[16:33:29] <Walakea> will mozilla applications fully replace icewease, dove and owl?
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• 2110[16:34:33] <abrotman> Walakea: what?
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• 2113[16:35:13] * dvs has never heard of iceowl
• 2114[16:35:35] <Walakea> whether all the the rebranded packages will be replaced with the original ones?
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• 2116[16:35:39] <themill> Walakea: that is the plan
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• 2120[16:36:50] <Walakea> so mozilla changed both license on their logos and their policy on changing the software?
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• 2124[16:38:37] <koowgnojeel> :x@Debian
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• 2128[16:40:33] <themill> Walakea: yes
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• 2133[16:41:54] <dryblow> On ssd is it best to use the swap file or swap partition? Who manage better over provisioning from samsung firmware?
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• 2148[16:50:11] <dutchfish> hi, can someone explain me what has been changed within the latest updates inside /lib/udev/rules.d/60-gnupg.rules, or how to find out?
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• 2155[16:53:42] <abrotman> is there a changelog for the udev package or gnupg?
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• 2175[16:56:01] <dutchfish> abrotman, well, the file is generated, the only thing i could find is replaced-url
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• 2178[16:56:31] <dutchfish> abrotman, apt-file is of couse unaware
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• 2185[16:56:58] <careta> any apparmor specialists here?
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• 2197[17:00:10] <dutchfish> abrotman, this is the one i got replaced-url
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• 2199[17:00:18] <markybob> careta: try #apparmor on irc.oftc.net
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• 2204[17:01:07] <careta> thanks markybob
• 2205[17:01:11] <fred1807> I am requested to make my debian jessie lxde work as IPV4 only, is this possible?
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• 2211[17:03:14] <abrotman> fred1807: why?
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• 2213[17:04:12] <abrotman> dutchfish: replaced-url
• 2214[17:04:18] <dutchfish> abrotman, sorry, i found out, it closes a bug hence the file is regenerated replaced-url
• 2215[17:04:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2216[17:04:27] <abrotman> okay
• 2217[17:04:27] <fred1807> abrotman, my department has the lan f**** up right now, and we are required to make notebooks ipv4 only until the tech guys fix it next up. Most of the people are using macbooks, and that is a simple one click setting
• 2218[17:04:34] <dutchfish> abrotman, thanks
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• 2220[17:05:39] <abrotman> fred1807: remove the IPv6 address currently in use?
• 2221[17:05:56] <fred1807> abrotman, I dont know.. on wicd ?
• 2222[17:05:57] * abrotman notes that fred1807 joined with an IPv6 address, and bringing that down may impair his ability to chat
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• 2225[17:06:30] <fred1807> I am not at work right now
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• 2230[17:07:36] <abrotman> fred1807: right, use ip/ifdown/whatever to bring it down
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• 2234[17:08:39] <fred1807> abrotman, Ok.. I will ifconfig wlan0 down ...
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• 2236[17:09:00] <fred1807> then?
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• 2263[17:16:00] <ku678j> hello. gnome-calendar starts with sunday. How to set it to start with monday? Gnome 3.18.3, debian sid
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• 2268[17:17:15] <zykotick9> ku678j: <sidenote> testing/sid support is in #debian-next on the OFTC network, BUT you're probably better to find a gnome support channel... ymmv.
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• 2271[17:18:40] <markybob> ku678j: english?
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• 2273[17:18:51] <ku678j> english, yes
• 2274[17:19:06] <ku678j> i set the language to english, but the formats to german
• 2275[17:19:11] <ku678j> still it ignores it
• 2276[17:19:13] <markybob> ku678j: this should do it. make /etc/default/locale like this: replaced-url
• 2277[17:19:19] <markybob> ku678j: then restart gnome
• 2278[17:19:22] <ku678j> also the top panel clock ignores it
• 2279[17:19:26] <ku678j> will have a look
• 2280[17:19:36] <markybob> ku678j: but zykotick9 is right. you should go to #debian-next
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• 2286[17:21:27] <ku678j> markybob, thanks. I might ask there. but to my problem. Had a look at your link. Looks the same here at my computer, execpt LC_TIME is de_DE.UTF-8
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• 2288[17:21:42] <ku678j> but the top panel clock and calender seem to ignore it
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• 2307[17:30:46] <kiw0> Hi there
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• 2322[17:35:42] <kiw0> I would like to become a Debian Maintainer, I have read the information available in the website but I have some questions about the process
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• 2324[17:36:03] <ethe> I'm getting a 404 trying to DL replaced-url
• 2325[17:36:12] <markybob> kiw0: try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
• 2326[17:36:27] <kiw0> markybob: thank you very much
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• 2329[17:36:59] <markybob> ethe: replaced-url
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• 2331[17:37:33] <Ouroboros> hm, it is still possible to install stuff from archive.debian.org, right?
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• 2335[17:38:00] <ethe> markybob: thanks
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• 2338[17:38:32] <markybob> ethe: laptop?
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• 2340[17:38:46] <ethe> what do you mean?
• 2341[17:38:53] <markybob> ethe: is this for a laptop?
• 2342[17:39:08] <ethe> It's for qemu
• 2343[17:39:17] <markybob> ethe: okay
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• 2361[17:47:34] <Ouroboros> hm, what is the path to the actual binary packages on an apt mirror? replaced-url
• 2362[17:47:53] <Ouroboros> or it is not accessible that way?
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• 2364[17:47:59] <abrotman> it is
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• 2366[17:48:31] <abrotman> Ouroboros: /debian/pool/main/ for example
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• 2368[17:49:14] <Ouroboros> ah i see
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• 2370[17:49:22] <Ouroboros> sorry for dumb questions, too early in the morning :P
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• 2375[17:50:14] <abrotman> Ouroboros: PS, apt-cache show <foo> will show you the path
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• 2378[17:51:05] <Ouroboros> heh, that requires me to be able to boot the system... which is a bit of a problem right now
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• 2400[18:00:09] <lesley> I got stuck on "configuring apt sources"...
• 2401[18:00:35] <lesley> Maybe because the graphical installer fell asleep. Is this a thing?
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• 2407[18:02:06] <dzz007> lesley: Maybe your network isn't working.
• 2408[18:02:08] <lesley> It was the graphical installer.
• 2409[18:02:16] <lesley> Also poasible.
• 2410[18:02:45] <lesley> As far as the concept of possibility itself goes...
• 2411[18:02:58] * zykotick9 thinks debian has one installer - stable's netinst text installer...
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• 2413[18:03:14] <dzz007> From my past experiences, network is always the biggest problem.
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• 2416[18:04:19] <lesley> I figure the gui fallig asleep also discinnects from network Hurg
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• 2419[18:04:26] <lesley> MATE or Cinnamon...?
• 2420[18:04:30] <dzz007> lesley: If nothing changed after longtime waiting, I would suggest you to plugout the networking cable to stop that process.
• 2421[18:04:48] <lesley> Already rebooted and stuff.
• 2422[18:05:37] <lesley> Oh neato I have Debian on my phone also now.
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• 2424[18:05:49] <lesley> like a linux kernel running a java vm running a linux distro.
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• 2427[18:07:00] <Syslq> lesley, now you only need a docking station and use it as workstation :)
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• 2431[18:08:03] <lesley> No need to go inti absurdities, all I needed was aot-get so I can hack prisons.
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• 2437[18:09:45] <okee> I am getting an annoying popup on bootup, indicating that XScreensaver is very old, please upgrade. I am using the latest XScreensaver approved for the Debian Jessie Stable Edition.
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• 2442[18:10:54] <kolibri_user> hi
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• 2444[18:11:28] <kolibri_user> 4
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• 2453[18:14:55] <Cueball> I'm thinking of converting my server from 32bit to 64bit using this method replaced-url
• 2454[18:15:23] <Cueball> Has anyone done this?
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• 2458[18:18:02] <grawity> Cueball: which Debian version are you converting
• 2459[18:19:09] <Cueball> grawity: Wheezy
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• 2465[18:20:10] <Cueball> grawity: But was going to jump to Jessie before converting.
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• 2472[18:22:20] <Ouroboros> maybe time for a clean install at this point?
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• 2478[18:24:08] <zykotick9> Ouroboros: personally, if i wanted to go from 32bit to 64bit, i'd clean install.
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• 2480[18:24:35] <Ouroboros> especially if also upgrading release
• 2481[18:24:55] <Cueball> Ouroboros: Love the name :)
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• 2485[18:25:08] <Cueball> Yeah I was considering re-install.
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• 2488[18:26:34] <jmcnaught> okee: the upstream author of xscreensaver apparently put a timer in to give this warning, not understanding the point of stable distros. There's a bug report about it, it's not really more than a nuisance: replaced-url
• 2489[18:26:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2491[18:27:09] <Ouroboros> Cueball: at least you arent trying to upgrade etch like me, huahua
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• 2496[18:28:19] <Cueball> Ouroboros: Hehe. I recently upgraded from Squeeze to Jessie on one server.
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• 2498[18:28:34] <Cueball> Lost my 800 days of uptime.
• 2499[18:29:07] <Ouroboros> i cant even boot it properly now because sda and sdb got swapped :(
• 2500[18:29:33] <Ouroboros> need to figure out how to temporarily swap them back
• 2501[18:29:37] <okee> jmcnaught> Thanks for letting me know.
• 2502[18:30:09] <zykotick9> Ouroboros: try to avoid using /dev/sdXY. UUIDs or Labels are constant.
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• 2504[18:30:15] <Ouroboros> yeah
• 2505[18:30:41] <Ouroboros> well, this was a long time ago :)
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• 2507[18:31:07] <Cueball> Had to be as it's Etch :)
• 2508[18:32:40] <Cueball> I started on Etch when I moved from RH to Debian.
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• 2512[18:34:38] <Ouroboros> the uuid and labels is from udev, right? was etch the first release with udev?
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• 2514[18:35:03] <koris> When trying to install Debian 8.3, and during "Install the Base System," immediately after telling it which kernel to install, the installer throws an error saying that busybox could not be installed. On virtual console 4, it seems to be indicating that it is trying to run 2 different instances of apt-install or in-target at once.
• 2515[18:35:14] <koris> "base-installer: apt-install or in-target is already running, so you cannot run either of them again until the other instance finishes. You may be able to use 'chroot /target ...' instead."
• 2516[18:35:46] <koris> might anyone here be able to explain how this can be fixed or worked around?
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• 2533[18:45:35] <PrimalHunter> Hi! I'm a bit stuck right now with configureing a debian user and can't seem to find the right keywords to look for. I'm currently trying to set the default host mail uses. I'd like it to be user@domain.tld instead of user@hostname. I guess I could change the hostname but I don't really want to do that. Any idea on how to change the behaviour/value?
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• 2536[18:47:17] <Ouroboros> PrimalHunter: see if any of this helps: replaced-url
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• 2538[18:47:48] <PrimalHunter> Thank you. I'll have a look. :)
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• 2542[18:48:13] <Ouroboros> not sure which thing you mean by 'mail'
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• 2544[18:48:38] <PrimalHunter> mail as in the name used by the console applicaton "mail". I guess it would be mailtools?
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• 2546[18:49:50] <jmcnaught> koris: i've never seen this problem before. are you able to go back in the installer and try this step again?
• 2547[18:50:38] <koris> yes, and it has happened four times in a row
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• 2551[18:51:41] <jmcnaught> PrimalHunter: which mail transport agent are you using? exim4 is the default. i use postfix and configure this with "myorigin" in main.cf
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• 2553[18:52:15] <Ouroboros> also 'mail' has its own config file mailrc
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• 2556[18:53:09] <jmcnaught> koris: what type of install medium are you using? Is it USB? how did you copy the installer?
• 2557[18:54:03] <Poroshenko> hey i've just installed debian jessie and I can't remove systemd... i don't need it because i already have init and an ssd hdd. How can i remove this useless software?
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• 2559[18:54:12] <koris> it is the DVD image, which is burned to a DVD-RW optical disc
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• 2562[18:55:10] <jmcnaught> koris: has the disc worked on other computers? did you verify the download somehow?
• 2563[18:55:57] <koris> verified the download with the sha256 sums which were verified with a gpg key. the disc worked fine on a different computer
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• 2566[18:56:09] <koris> the disc also passed the integrity check
• 2567[18:56:25] <potus> My chroma key after applying the effect, just shows black instead of the video from the previous layer.. anyone got an ida?
• 2568[18:56:31] <Poroshenko> what i've tried is: apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd
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• 2570[18:56:41] <potus> cinelerra on debian xfce 8.3, anyone got any ideas?
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• 2572[18:56:54] <PrimalHunter> And what error did you get Poroshenko?
• 2573[18:57:09] <PrimalHunter> did you make sure to have sysv as an alternative?
• 2574[18:57:38] <jmcnaught> koris: sounds pretty frustrating. have you tried using the advanced install? it gives you a bit more control, will let you go back and redo steps in the installer. are there any other errors that happen earlier?
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• 2576[18:57:38] <Poroshenko> oh yes, i am going to try rebooting
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• 2578[18:58:05] <potus> i guess try it under gnome instead of xfce?
• 2579[18:58:29] <koris> do you mean the expert install?
• 2580[18:58:37] <jmcnaught> koris: yes
• 2581[18:59:06] <koris> the expert install is what is being used
• 2582[18:59:11] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell programmerq about remove systemd
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• 2584[19:00:22] <jmcnaught> programmerq: sorry for that
• 2585[19:00:24] <koris> also, the same error appears in console 4 regarding "locales" instead of busybox immediately before selecting the kernel
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• 2587[19:00:56] <jmcnaught> Poroshenko: "/msg dpkg remove systemd" for the factoid about this
• 2588[19:01:53] <koris> the error in question, for busybox anyway, is "in-target: unexpected error; command not executed; 'sh -c debconf-apt-progress --no-progress --logstderr -- apt-get -q -y --no-remove install busybox'"
• 2589[19:02:04] <koris> the "locales" error does not halt the install
• 2590[19:02:13] <koris> the one for "busybox" does
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• 2592[19:03:08] <Poroshenko> dpkg bot doesn't work
• 2593[19:03:10] <dpkg> Poroshenko: i haven't a clue
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• 2595[19:03:21] <jmcnaught> koris: have you tried a different partition scheme? are you doing anything novel there, or simply using the guided partitioning?
• 2596[19:03:47] <nolsen> I can't seem to be able to download a iso file from the site, replaced-url
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• 2598[19:04:02] <jmcnaught> Poroshenko: works for me, when you messaged it did you get a message back (in a new tab or window?)
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• 2602[19:05:12] <koris> using separate / and /home partitions, as well as an encrypted partition setup on a separate drive
• 2603[19:05:32] <jmcnaught> nolsen: replaced-url
• 2604[19:05:34] <Poroshenko> jmcnaught, nvm, it's just a bit slow (probably because its system runs systemd)
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• 2606[19:06:14] <jmcnaught> Poroshenko: probably not because of that. please keep the systemd bashing to /dev/null. You're free to use what you want.
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• 2613[19:10:01] <programmerq> jmcnaught: no worries :)
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• 2616[19:11:35] <potus> ok im off on my merry mission
• 2617[19:11:37] <potus> wish me luck
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• 2620[19:11:55] <potus> (waiting for gnome to install and trying again)
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• 2622[19:13:10] <potus> day - ten awesome!
• 2623[19:13:18] <potus> im on day three as a glass blower
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• 2627[19:13:43] <potus> well, that didnt break the ice either... i give up!
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• 2661[19:24:00] <bumbar> i was upgrading from stable to stretch (on virtual machine), and went away for a while and i guess my pc decided to reboot, so i've no idea how far the dist upgrade got, but now when i boot it the screen is flashing
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• 2668[19:26:32] <jmcnaught> bumbar: the host rebooted, or the guest rebooted? you could try booting the VM in a rescue mode, either from grub or a live disk. also you'll get better support for stretch in its channel: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 2674[19:29:03] <lesley> I installed Debian, specified a BIOS boot partition but when I boit that I get a grub menu saying it can't load the kernel.
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• 2678[19:29:35] <lesley> This is in attempt to get dual boot wuth windows. Somehow Ubuntu handles this spectacularly.
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• 2680[19:29:47] <oldunixuser> I installed Debian, but now it uses systemd instead of sysv. How can I remove systemd???
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• 2682[19:30:04] <intelfor> oldunixuser, you can't: replaced-url
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• 2684[19:30:25] <lesley> Anyone?
• 2685[19:30:43] <jmcnaught> oldunixuser: "/msg dpkg remove systemd" for instructions
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• 2688[19:31:37] <jmcnaught> lesley: what does the error say verbatim?
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• 2690[19:31:47] <intelfor> oldunixuser, you can't: replaced-url
• 2691[19:31:53] <lesley> I'd take a photo, but alas...
• 2692[19:31:55] <bumbar> jmcnaught, the host rebooted. the flashing's stopped now, and upgrade seems to have gone mostly ok
• 2693[19:31:58] <lesley> give me one minute.
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• 2699[19:32:59] <lesley> There is no error. Just grub>
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• 2703[19:34:05] <jmcnaught> lesley: is it possible that the debian installer installed grub in the wrong place, and the grub that you're seeing is one leftover from an earlier ubuntu install? what menu options did grub give you?
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• 2705[19:34:15] <lesley> When I type in "boot" I get "You need to load the kernel first." When I specify the "uefi os" in the bios as the first option I boot into Windows which is next on the list but if I put.either of the two ubuntu yes p much
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• 2708[19:34:56] <lesley> Ubuntu's grub? Ubuntu, advanced Ubuntu, Windows uefi loader smth. The standard shamblam.
• 2709[19:35:02] <intelfor> oldunixuser, you can't: replaced-url
• 2710[19:35:32] <oldunixuser> intelfor, fuck off man: replaced-url
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• 2712[19:36:26] <lesley> So um...
• 2713[19:37:06] <lesley> Oh yeah, the gnu grub console is Ubuntu's.
• 2714[19:37:06] <|\n> lol
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• 2716[19:37:48] <oldunixuser> ur shitty systemd won't go anywhere, it's a piece of shit
• 2717[19:37:58] <lesley> The boot ?efi bios partition that I tokd Debian to put does not get loaded. Maybe I have to set a flag..
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• 2720[19:38:03] <oldunixuser> a whole #debian agrees with me
• 2721[19:38:20] <nkuttler> !ot
• 2722[19:38:20] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 2725[19:39:38] <lesley> Whoever makes bootloaders is abn asshole.
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• 2727[19:40:13] <lesley> I bet the jews did this >:C
• 2728[19:40:28] <oldunixuser> agree!
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• 2731[19:41:29] <jmcnaught> lesley: i was going to help you, but if you're going to be racist i suggest you just leave.
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• 2733[19:41:43] <lesley> Hebrew is not a race.
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• 2735[19:42:12] <lesley> It's a religion and Palestine is a nation.
• 2736[19:42:21] <lesley> and you weren't.
• 2737[19:42:23] <intelfor> fuck jews
• 2738[19:42:34] <nkuttler> !ops channel needs some moderation
• 2739[19:42:34] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: channel needs some moderation
• 2740[19:43:10] <intelfor> !ops channel needs some moderation
• 2741[19:43:10] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: intelfor complains about: channel needs some moderation
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• 2745[19:44:34] <lesley> Anyway, I"ll try setting some flags and see if that works out
• 2746[19:44:41] <khakhol> any idea how to remove systemd ?
• 2747[19:44:58] <lesley> Also what the hell is going on with systemd today?
• 2748[19:45:18] <khakhol> what?
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• 2750[19:45:28] <lesley> Why do you want to remove systemd?
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• 2753[19:46:07] <jmcnaught> khakhol: "/msg dpkg remove systemd" for instructions.
• 2754[19:46:11] <khakhol> oh i don't like it, i'd let ubuntu use it instead
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• 2757[19:46:38] <lesley> Why not?
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• 2760[19:47:07] <intelfor> you can't remove systemd on Jessie, khakhol . Debian Jessie comes with systemd.
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• 2762[19:48:05] <lesley> Why does everyone wabt to remove systemd all of a sudden?
• 2763[19:48:15] <jmcnaught> intelfor: khakhol: that's not true, you can use sysvinit as PID 1 in Jessie. There will still be some parts of systemd like logind, but you don't have to use it as init system.
• 2764[19:48:25] <khakhol> dpkg remove systemd
• 2765[19:48:25] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
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• 2769[19:48:43] <oldunixuser> lol fuck systemd
• 2770[19:49:02] <khakhol> ok thanks
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• 2777[19:49:51] <lesley> y tho
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• 2787[19:52:35] <somiaj> oldunixuser, lesley: Keep it on topic and family friendly.
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• 2791[19:53:22] <dontknow> oldunixuser, use "systemctl cat"
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• 2794[19:53:31] <lesley> Nope. Can't get it to work.
• 2795[19:53:53] <dontknow> systemctl cat was my wildest dream
• 2796[19:54:02] <oldunixuser> debian was always a #1 system by using sysv , now it's gonna compete with ubuntu. so sad
• 2797[19:54:12] <lesley> Well shit.
• 2798[19:54:19] <lesley> RIP Ian.
• 2799[19:54:24] <oldunixuser> RIP Ian.
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• 2802[19:55:10] <lesley> What now?
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• 2804[19:56:06] <oldunixuser> i'm going to remove systemd and stand by
• 2805[19:56:24] <lesley> I'm thinking Slackware... or Kali...
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• 2807[19:57:06] <Poroshenko> try Devuan
• 2808[19:58:17] <dontknow> i wouldn't try debian derivative. who knows what they have in it. ereplaced-url
• 2809[19:58:18] <lesley> Stopped reading at "pronounced as"
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• 2811[19:58:58] <johnkeates> I'm hitting a hash sum mismatch on httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/i18n/Translation-enIndex, anyone else as well?
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• 2813[19:59:26] <TomTomTosch> johnkeates, try again.
• 2814[19:59:38] <lesley> I just get the ending of Fight Club.
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• 2816[19:59:50] <johnkeates> lesley: don't talk about fight club
• 2817[19:59:56] <johnkeates> its rule number1 + 2
• 2818[19:59:59] <johnkeates> :p
• 2819[20:00:12] <lesley> So you're saying it's real.
• 2820[20:00:15] <johnkeates> :p
• 2821[20:00:28] <lesley> I wouldn't know.
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• 2823[20:01:52] <oldunixuser> this is how systemd looks like irl replaced-url
• 2824[20:02:02] <TomTomTosch> johnkeates, maybe the mirror you get is out of date. you might try a different one if you keep getting this error.
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• 2827[20:02:17] <lesley> Eh
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• 2829[20:02:42] <lesley> Least stupid windowdesktopmanagerdesktop engineframework?
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• 2831[20:02:54] <johnkeates> i'll try a static repo
• 2832[20:02:59] <johnkeates> not a dynamic redirected
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• 2834[20:03:06] <johnkeates> systemd: linux in userland :p
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• 2842[20:04:29] <dontknow> somiaj, but we have fun
• 2843[20:04:31] <FaTony> hi, how can I completely remove java? when I try to purge it automatically wants to install gcj
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• 2845[20:05:14] <somiaj> FaTony: care to share the exact command you are typing and the output you get.
• 2846[20:05:19] <somiaj> FaTony: please use paste.debian.net
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• 2848[20:05:47] <johnkeates> replaced-url
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• 2851[20:06:43] <FaTony> somiaj, replaced-url
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• 2853[20:06:55] <lesley> I'm going to stick with Ubuntu for no reason other than it works on my laptop, being if a Debian derivative I'll stay here so as to not be infected with enterprise thinking...
• 2854[20:06:55] <somiaj> johnkeates: keep on topic. This is not the place to get into a systemd discussion (unless it is about how to properly use sysvinit instead of systemd in debian).
• 2855[20:07:15] <johnkeates> well, how about: can we use launchd instead of systemd in debian
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• 2857[20:08:11] <johnkeates> i mean, not for debian as a default, but, as a consumer
• 2858[20:08:18] <jim> lesley,is it that debian does not work?
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• 2860[20:08:32] <somiaj> johnkeates: Unsure about launchd. Debian only really supports systed and sysvinit. Though upstart and openrc on the in the repos. I wouldn't expect all packages to have correct init configuarionts/scripts for those init systems.
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• 2863[20:09:05] <jmcnaught> FaTony: the packages you are removing and the gcj-jdk package have something in common, they provide virtual packages for "java-compiler, java-sdk etc." For example check the Provides: line in the output of "apt-cache show gcj-jdk"
• 2864[20:09:05] <johnkeates> well, that's probably the main reason for only having sysv and systemd I guess.. oh well :-)
• 2865[20:09:29] <somiaj> FaTony: you probably have some package that requires java-runtime and apt instaed of removing that packge is installing an alternative java package.
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• 2867[20:09:33] <jmcnaught> FaTony: you can use "aptitude why $package" (and aptitude why-not" to try and see why a package is needed or not
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• 2869[20:09:52] <somiaj> FaTony: as jmcnaught suggested, see what package you have that depends on java and remove that package.
• 2870[20:09:59] <jmcnaught> FaTony: one common reason to need java of some sort is libreoffice
• 2871[20:10:27] <FaTony> hmm on another machine I have libreoffice but no openjdk or gcj
• 2872[20:11:02] <somiaj> libreoffice wants java, but I think it is only suggested. Unless you are foring suggested packages to be installed you may have to look for another culprit.
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• 2876[20:11:51] <jmcnaught> FaTony: for me i have a default-jdk metapackage installed because i installed eclipse, but you'll need to poke around your system to see what depends/recommends java
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• 2878[20:12:21] <lesley> HURG
• 2879[20:12:31] <lesley> Google Docs, br
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• 2882[20:12:38] <FaTony> ah I looks like it's libreoffice-officebean
• 2883[20:12:54] <johnkeates> isn't that for libreoffice extensions?
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• 2885[20:13:57] <FaTony> I dunno I use libreoffice like twice a year
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• 2888[20:14:36] <bumbar> there seem to be broken links on the official download site, eg replaced-url
• 2889[20:15:50] <H4ndy> bumbar: because 8.4.0 is the latest version
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• 2891[20:16:17] <H4ndy> bumbar: replaced-url
• 2892[20:16:40] <bumbar> H4ndy, thanks
• 2893[20:17:33] <jim> lesley, also, I dunno if you'd be allowed to idle here (it sounds harmless to me), but just so you know... people would refuse to answer any questions about the laptop as answers they give are going to be increasingly inapplicable to you... also ubuntu is planning on pulling up those stakes by adopting a different packaging system, and when that happens, ubuntu will no longer even be based on debian
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• 2895[20:18:19] <lesley> I don't know anymore.
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• 2898[20:18:50] <jim> obviously the choices are yours
• 2899[20:19:19] <sauna> Hi. Could someone tell me what to do when I try to configure a new router (management port ip is 192.168.88.1) and I plug in the cable and I get ipv6 address. Obviously does not work. Only fix I overwrote network/interfaces with static ip.
• 2900[20:19:30] <intelfor> sure jim , ubuntu is going to be based on microsoft from now
• 2901[20:19:37] <intelfor> since they have successfully associated
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• 2904[20:19:46] <johnkeates> and they will use the NT kernel :p lol
• 2905[20:20:27] <jim> to that I would say "good luck"...
• 2906[20:20:31] <jmcnaught> lesley: before you got anti-semitic earlier I was helping you discover that when you installed debian it had not installed grub in the right place, and you're still getting an older grub from an earlier ubuntu install. "/msg dpkg reinstall grub" for some instructions on how to deal with that.
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• 2910[20:21:28] <johnkeates> I do wonder what happens when snappy apps get popular, will debian get something like an adaptor for that?
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• 2912[20:21:38] <oldunixuser> somiaj have muted me just because i dislike systemd
• 2913[20:22:02] <TomTomTosch> he is free to do so. please stay on-topic here.
• 2914[20:22:25] <jim> since when has popularity swayed debian?
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• 2916[20:22:45] <johnkeates> since popcon existed i guess? it's what it's for
• 2917[20:22:53] <johnkeates> at least for CD distribution
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• 2920[20:24:06] <oldunixuser> but debian have choosed the wrong way adopting systemd, the future is undefined
• 2921[20:24:39] <johnkeates> well, you are free to not use systemd I guess
• 2922[20:24:40] <dontknow> future is with systemd
• 2923[20:24:56] <dontknow> it already happened
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• 2925[20:25:19] <jim> I guess you'd have to have some snappy app packaged for debian and in the archive to make the popcon with snappy work
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• 2927[20:25:36] <oldunixuser> it's going to be removed in the next release, i this heard from official devs
• 2928[20:25:42] <oldunixuser> they admit they did a mistake
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• 2931[20:26:07] <johnkeates> I wish there was some sort of demo or distro with launchd so I could give it a go
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• 2934[20:26:12] <jim> they're going to take out systemd?
• 2935[20:26:21] <markybob> no
• 2936[20:26:22] <oldunixuser> yep
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• 2938[20:26:32] <markybob> no, they're not
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• 2940[20:26:40] <jim> a difference of opinion :)
• 2941[20:26:44] <markybob> oh i forgot it was sunday
• 2942[20:26:47] <oldunixuser> yes, they will
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• 2946[20:27:21] <intelfor> systemd was a big mistake
• 2947[20:27:22] <somiaj> oldunixuser: I quited you for being off topic.
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• 2951[20:27:49] <somiaj> intelfor: then use sysvinit. This is no the place to discuss this. Go read the mailing lists for plenty of opnioins on why debian switched to systemd.
• 2952[20:28:09] <intelfor> i have read that, np
• 2953[20:28:20] <sauna> Hate to disturb, but anyone care to comment on my problem ? the endless ifups and ifdowns for static ip made me very frustrated
• 2954[20:28:34] <jim> what's off topic about whether debian will remove systemd?
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• 2956[20:28:43] <somiaj> sauna: what do you mean by endless ifups/downs
• 2957[20:28:51] <markybob> jim: first off, it's not. he's just trolling
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• 2960[20:29:06] <jim> oh ok
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• 2962[20:29:24] <oldunixuser> no i wasn't trolling, markybob is one who is actually
• 2963[20:29:34] <somiaj> jim: that really isn't debian support, though usually talking about debian plans/future isn't strictkly off topic, systemd is one of those topics that starts flame wars.
• 2964[20:29:41] <jim> ohh
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• 2970[20:30:13] <jim> ok I see, so this isn't a discussion channel, it's a support channel
• 2971[20:30:15] <sauna> well, I wanted to configure a new router. IManagement port had ip 192.168.88.1, but when I plugged in cable, I got IPV6. Even after disabling ipv6 and restarting I got ipv6.
• 2972[20:30:39] <oldunixuser> somiaj is supporting ubuntu that's why he gets nervous when someone is talking contra systemd
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• 2974[20:30:49] <somiaj> jim: correct, though some discussion is okay, systemd just gets out of hand and has already caused lot of langauge and racisim
• 2975[20:30:52] <sauna> Had to configure network interfaces manually. That meant using ifup ifdown
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• 2983[20:31:19] <johnkeates> how does systemd cause racism :p it's software, not human
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• 2985[20:31:22] <jim> somiaj, ok, thanks for letting me know
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• 2988[20:31:38] <somiaj> enouhg, please keep on topic and let users like sauna not get lost in the noise
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• 2990[20:31:50] <oldunixuser> somiaj why you get so upset when someone wants to remove systemd from debian?
• 2991[20:32:07] <oldunixuser> this is not normal behavious
• 2992[20:32:09] <oldunixuser> r
• 2993[20:32:16] <somiaj> sauna: are you using the interfaces file to configure your network or something else?
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• 2995[20:32:20] <lllll918> I want to watch a movie via vfat USB stick onmy TV. But the movie is 5GB in size. I tried spilt -b 2GB movie.mkv but the result is that only the first part is playable. How can I achieve a working split?
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• 2998[20:32:22] <cisc> let's keep it technical, not political :)
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• 3000[20:32:55] <sauna> I use the normal interfaces file. Interestingly when I configured DHCP on the router, it got ipv4 without problems
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• 3003[20:33:04] <somiaj> lllll918: what about exfat? Does your tv support that
• 3004[20:33:05] <oldunixuser> first of all, somiaj, stop muting me,
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• 3008[20:33:11] <markybob> lllll918: most tv's support ntfs
• 3009[20:33:19] <grawity> sauna: are you saying that getting ipv6 means you can't get ipv4?
• 3010[20:33:22] <markybob> somiaj: most tv's don't support that
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• 3014[20:33:35] <oldunixuser> secondly, i want to talk about systemd right now
• 3015[20:33:40] <oldunixuser> it sucks guys
• 3016[20:33:47] <oldunixuser> admit it
• 3017[20:33:49] <oldunixuser> or die
• 3018[20:33:52] <somiaj> markybob: ahh
• 3019[20:33:55] <cisc> systemd is actually really good
• 3020[20:33:56] <jim> I've brought this up before... debian used to have a package called ipmasq, which "calculates" a firewall from information it gets looking at the interfaces... the package stopped working when lsb headers were required in the service file... I took a copy, put the headers in and also added a func that adds a port forward...
• 3021[20:34:00] <oldunixuser> no it's not
• 3022[20:34:03] <oldunixuser> it's useless
• 3023[20:34:12] <sauna> Nono, I got ipv6 automatically even if ipv6 is disabled( Using gnome). Even tho the default new router management port ip is 192.168.88.1
• 3024[20:34:13] <oldunixuser> it's interfering with normal functionality
• 3025[20:34:13] <lllll918> I am not sure. I have 55" Philips flat screen from 2 years ago.
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• 3027[20:34:34] <grawity> sauna: well if you use ifupdown that's not the same thing as GNOME's network configuration
• 3028[20:34:36] <markybob> lllll918: it won't support exfat. probably ntfs. i'd try that.
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• 3032[20:34:55] <grawity> markybob: I thought exfat support is more common
• 3033[20:35:02] <markybob> grawity: not for tv's
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• 3035[20:35:06] <lllll918> So there isno way to split a movie so that all parts work?
• 3036[20:35:18] <jim> it works fine, I've used it on a jessie box since jessie came out, I was wondering, is there something in the archive that replaces it?
• 3037[20:35:23] <grawity> neither is ntfs tbh
• 3038[20:35:24] <Amun_Ra> lllll918: using tool to split video files - yes
• 3039[20:35:37] <grawity> but exfat *was* sorta made for embedded devices etc
• 3040[20:35:39] <somiaj> lllll918: you may have to use some video encoding software that splits it up and only plays the video in chunks.
• 3041[20:35:40] <markybob> grawity: it's "more common" in the sense that it works in macs windows and linux, sure
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• 3043[20:35:43] <oldunixuser> also i disagree with the most oppinions took place on debian-dev mailing lists regarding systemd, they haven't asked USERS first of all
• 3044[20:35:52] <grawity> but yeah, I see in their FAQ "only FAT is supported" replaced-url
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• 3048[20:35:58] <Amun_Ra> lllll918: either mencoder or mkvtoolnix
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• 3051[20:36:08] <markybob> grawity: most tv's i've seen has ntfs support. mine does and it's 5 years old
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• 3055[20:36:21] <oldunixuser> after Ian's death it's all have changed
• 3056[20:36:33] <markybob> somiaj: please take care of this?
• 3057[20:36:36] <oldunixuser> i see that Canonical is insiding into debian developing too
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• 3059[20:36:58] <oldunixuser> people like somiaj are ruining Debian
• 3060[20:37:09] <Ouroboros> oldunixuser: feel free to voice your concerns at #systemdsucks on irc.noonecares.org
• 3061[20:37:16] <oldunixuser> the best distro of all times
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• 3069[20:40:11] <Ouroboros> re /dev/disk/by-id or /dev/disk/by-uuid, how does that work with ordinary names in /dev/mapper?
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• 3073[20:40:21] <paxcoder> In what way is the user added at installation different from subsequently added users? I'd like to make one of the latter users "special" instead of that one.
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• 3077[20:40:45] <Ouroboros> e.g. if it creates /dev/mapper/sda_crypt, is it possible to change that to a uuid-based name/
• 3078[20:40:46] <somiaj> sorry for the mute, right now only registered users can chat.
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• 3080[20:40:55] <nkuttler> paxcoder: special how?
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• 3084[20:41:05] <markybob> paxcoder: umm. intaller might add it for audio group and sudo automatically if that's what you mean
• 3085[20:41:30] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: the user created during the install isn't really special. you can check if anything is different by comparing the groups that users are in
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• 3088[20:42:06] <paxcoder> nkuttler: well that's kinda my question :) It obviously gets added to sudoers (when you're using sudo), but more importantly, it receives e-mail when incidents occur.
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• 3090[20:42:46] <nkuttler> paxcoder: /etc/aliases
• 3091[20:42:55] <somiaj> sauna: didn't mean to ignore you. Anyways you have the interfaces configured to use dhcp or to use static? Until I resolve this issue you may have to /msg nickserv help to register your nick to chat in here for the time.
• 3092[20:43:03] <oldunixuser> somiaj, no problem mate
• 3093[20:43:06] <oldunixuser> Ouroboros, sorry but you are a bastard if you don't care, really. You do like backdoors in your linux distro, right?
• 3094[20:43:15] <oldunixuser> it's like using apple man
• 3095[20:43:16] <paxcoder> nkuttler: thanks. Is there anything else?
• 3096[20:43:19] <TomTomTosch> oldunixuser, i'm not sure why you want to disturb a support channel.
• 3097[20:43:26] <jim> oldunixuser, what I observed wasn't about systemd in particular... it was more that you wouldn't stop arguing about it
• 3098[20:43:32] <oldunixuser> TomTomTosch, i am not disturbing anyone
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• 3100[20:43:48] <nkuttler> paxcoder: i wouldn't know. just ask if anything comes up
• 3101[20:43:52] <TomTomTosch> oldunixuser, you are. please be considerate of people who need real help.
• 3102[20:43:54] <somiaj> jim, TomTomTosch: no need to feed the troll
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• 3112[20:45:21] <unixuser> TomTomTosch, i am starving of systemd in debian jessie, what can i do?
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• 3114[20:45:28] <unixuser> it's really disgusting
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• 3116[20:45:37] <jim> somiaj, I was pretty sure the ban was coming, so consider that a parting shot, meant to make sure he knew the underlying reason,,, if anything, he deserved that much
• 3117[20:46:01] <nkuttler> unixuser: ban evasion isn't cool
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• 3119[20:46:14] <unixuser> nkuttler, i didn't ban evade
• 3120[20:46:21] <Amun_Ra> and that prooves trolling point
• 3121[20:46:27] <unixuser> i am standing my rights
• 3122[20:46:34] <Ouroboros> just add him to /ignore and be done with it
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• 3130[20:47:28] <jim> what;s $r?
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• 3134[20:48:26] <newunixusr> all my ##arguments are related to debian
• 3135[20:48:28] <newunixusr> fortunately
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• 3137[20:48:58] <newunixusr> and banning a helpless user isn't cool, you just op abusing
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• 3152[20:50:57] <Ouroboros> what is the purpose of /dev/sg* ? do these correspond to the scsi devices mapped at /dev/sda etc or are these other scsi devices that werent recognized?
• 3153[20:51:11] <jelly> Ouroboros: both can happen
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• 3161[20:51:29] <jelly> oops.
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• 3163[20:51:32] <|\n> чщ чщ
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• 3173[20:51:56] <Ouroboros> i guess i should figure out how those scsi hardware paths work
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• 3179[20:52:39] <jelly> Ouroboros: mostly sg is used to issue scsi commands not implied by other specific scsi drivers
• 3180[20:53:16] <jelly> eg. a tape library or dvd burner is neither a scsi disk or scsi tape or scsi cdrom
• 3181[20:53:24] <Ouroboros> ah
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• 3183[20:53:28] <jellycock> well this has escalated quickly. Jelly stop banning me or i am reporting you as an abuser
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• 3185[20:53:34] <jellycock> well this has escalated quickly. Jelly stop banning me or i am reporting you as an abuser
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• 3192[20:53:46] <jaggz> I'm getting a python error loading a module 'plac', but I can't find it in debian
• 3193[20:54:12] <jaggz> it's apparently for commandline argument parsing
• 3194[20:54:35] <nkuttler> jaggz: if it's not packaged you can e.g. use virtualenv to install it
• 3195[20:54:57] <nkuttler> jaggz: or just pip with root rights for a global install
• 3196[20:54:58] <somiaj> jaggz: this from a python program in debian? Debian does provid pip to install stuff outside of debian and there are debian-helper scripts to package python modules if needed
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• 3198[20:55:30] <jaggz> it's from a little utility script I got from a webpage -- so not a dependency issue necessarily
• 3199[20:55:43] <Ouroboros> replaced-url
• 3200[20:55:53] <nkuttler> jaggz: presumptuous description and not updated since 2012
• 3201[20:55:58] <jaggz> (a script to handle updating screen X11 variables needed for KDE)
• 3202[20:56:01] <nkuttler> not sure that's something i'd want to install
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• 3204[20:56:26] <sauna> Somiaj, I normally don't add anything to interfaces file.
• 3205[20:56:27] <jmcnaught> jaggz: if you do install something with pip or easy_install, don't do it as root or with sudo.
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• 3208[20:56:45] <jaggz> I see.. hmm
• 3209[20:56:49] <jaggz> it's from the second answer here: replaced-url
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• 3212[20:57:07] <Ouroboros> jelly: in this case, its not finding my main sata drive (which is ok), but i was curious if its one of the sg*, but maybe it just doesnt recognize the pcie controller
• 3213[20:57:21] <jaggz> (basically, if you leave a screen running, re-log into X11 (kde), and reattach to the screen, you have some vars that need to be updated in the shells within screen)
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• 3217[20:57:56] <jaggz> the key variable for me was: DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
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• 3219[20:58:04] <sauna> I mean the port in router has static ip. My debian automatically gets the static ip as ipv6 for some reason. Now only way I could get it as ipv4 was if I manually write to interfaces file. I was thinking, why does it not work automatically?
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• 3224[20:58:59] <bigfish> don't listen to jelly's suggestions, he is a newbie and canonical's insider
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• 3247[21:02:30] <mauseriw> 11 Y.O. IS OLD ENOUGH FOR DEBIAN
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• 3250[21:03:33] <jaggz> Ouroboros, what's up with your sata?
• 3251[21:03:40] <Ouroboros> nothing
• 3252[21:03:49] <Ouroboros> just moving very old debian etch to a new machine
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• 3254[21:04:19] <somiaj> sauna: I'm a bit confused, as there are lots of ways to configure the network in debian. Are you saying that the default interfaces file is getting ipv6 address from dhcp or if you don't have an interfaces file (since you said manually write one) some other application like network-manager is setting up ipv6 from dhcp?
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• 3260[21:05:28] <Dagger> sauna: and what IP are you getting? if it's fe80::* then it doesn't count
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• 3277[21:06:35] <sauna> Well I had to manually write the part for eth0. Currently I don't have anythhing about eth0 in interfaces file and if I plug in a cable to working router I get ip and connection.
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• 3281[21:07:17] <grawity> does your router serve DHCP?
• 3282[21:07:24] <sauna> Now the router had management port with static ip. I plugged in cable. Then I typed "ip addr l" and got ipv6 address. Dagger, I am sorry, I don't remember what ip it was.
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• 3307[21:08:49] <sauna> No DHCP on that port, other ports that I configured with DHCP work fine, jsut the static management port is causing troubles
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• 3310[21:09:43] <Dagger> just the one address, or multiple?
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• 3312[21:09:55] <sauna> one address
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• 3316[21:11:02] <Dagger> it was just the link local then, and no actual configured addresses
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• 3322[21:11:27] <Dagger> and if the router isn't doing DHCP on the management port, that's probably why you're not getting an IP from DHCP when you connect to that port
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• 3333[21:12:01] <sauna> So the only way is manually configuring the ip ?
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• 3336[21:12:58] <grawity> well how else is your computer going to obtain it
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• 3339[21:13:15] <bigfish> thanks eir bro
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• 3345[21:13:40] <sauna> A okay, so the static ip of the router is not responded, if computer asks for ip ? I am not very strong with networks
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• 3349[21:14:05] <grawity> the IP *of the router* doesn't matter at all
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• 3351[21:14:27] <grawity> what matters is whether the router has the DHCP service enabled
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• 3354[21:14:54] <bigfish> hey jelly bro
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• 3356[21:15:00] <bigfish> how's ubunru going?
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• 3360[21:15:42] <bigfish> jelly man
• 3361[21:15:48] <bigfish> bro
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• 3372[21:17:18] <bigfish> systemd sucks
• 3373[21:17:26] <bigfish> i am going to argue
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• 3375[21:17:37] <bigfish> jelly don't ban
• 3376[21:17:42] <bigfish> or you are a cocksucker
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• 3382[21:18:34] <sauna> Ah okay, thanks all. I wonder why I didn't think that pc cannot automatically acquire an ip that is static. stupid ...
• 3383[21:19:22] <grawity> it can, but only if it's provided via DHCP
• 3384[21:19:41] <grawity> though I guess that kind is more often called "reserved" than "static"
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• 3390[21:20:39] <mike_privey> jelly,
• 3391[21:20:45] <daytime> mike_privey: No.
• 3392[21:20:45] <mike_privey> i'd like to argue about systemd
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• 3397[21:21:32] <petemc> that is one persistent fool
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• 3408[21:23:39] <daytime> Logged out before entering, how rude
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• 3411[21:24:04] <paxcoder> why can't apt get linux-firmware-nonfree if there is nonfree in sources.list and apt-get update goes through?
• 3412[21:24:05] <petewc> petemc, i'd recommend you to keep stfu
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• 3414[21:24:13] <petewc> think twice before saying something
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• 3421[21:24:52] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: do you mean "firmware-linux-nonfree" ? if you're still having trouble please make a paste of the command and output
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• 3429[21:26:16] <midtime> hey daytime, 11 y.o. is old enough for IRC, right??
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• 3437[21:27:27] <paxcoder> jmcnaught: i'm having trouble doing it from the cli (i need -nonfree to run my DE). Can I paraphrase? The output is not in English anyway.
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• 3440[21:27:49] <paxcoder> It's not very informative either I'm afraid.
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• 3443[21:28:02] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell paxcoder about localized errors
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• 3445[21:28:28] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: you can also ask dpkg bot about "pastebinit" for an easy way to make pastes
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• 3448[21:28:44] <paxcoder> ah, forgot
• 3449[21:28:48] <paxcoder> yes, i have pastebinit
• 3450[21:28:50] <sauna> I find that using aptitude for packages like firmware-linux-nonfree can be very helpful. Maybe try that, it is less cli and more gui also.
• 3451[21:28:57] <paxcoder> but some go to stdout, one to stderr...
• 3452[21:29:07] <paxcoder> eh, i'll do my best
• 3453[21:29:18] <markybob> how is aptitude more gui?
• 3454[21:29:23] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: your best will be fine, lots of people here to help :)
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• 3456[21:29:47] <deepy> markybob: aptitude is totally gui
• 3457[21:29:57] <sauna> You can redirect stderr to stdout like command 2>&1
• 3458[21:29:58] <unborn> pastebinit?
• 3459[21:30:09] <markybob> deepy: okay. fucking hate sundays.
• 3460[21:30:20] <deepy> markybob: try running it without any arguments
• 3461[21:30:39] <markybob> deepy: ncurses is not...nevermind. not worth it
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• 3463[21:31:00] <deepy> graphical doesn't mean X :-)
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• 3465[21:31:13] <paxcoder> I outsource too much of my memory to google. Remind me how to redirect stderr to stdout?
• 3466[21:31:16] <TomTomTosch> it's TUI, not GUI x)
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• 3469[21:32:40] <sauna> paxcoder, 2>&1 (2 is stderr, 1 is stdout). I believe it is command > my_output 2>&1
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• 3472[21:33:29] <paxcoder> sauna: you've got it. I was trying 2>&1, then >file. Redirection is weird.
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• 3476[21:34:52] <sauna> Thanks :). First time I actually was useful to someone in IRC. Feels good.
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• 3489[21:37:20] <dadoks> Hello everyone, i installed cakephp on my linux pc and i created an example app, but when i run the command "bin/cake bake all users", this is the output error: replaced-url
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• 3491[21:37:27] <dadoks> can someone help me?
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• 3493[21:37:32] <paxcoder> paste.debian.net/423604
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• 3495[21:38:01] <deepy> dadoks: seems like it can't connect to your sql server
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• 3503[21:38:41] <paxcoder> jmcnaught: i've echoed the command, then executed it and appended the result
• 3504[21:38:44] <nkuttler> dadoks: you probably want #cakephp
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• 3522[21:41:36] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: did pastebinit give you a URL?
• 3523[21:41:44] <paxcoder> This is my sources.list: paste.debian.net/423608
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• 3525[21:41:59] <paxcoder> jmcnaught: i posted it before tagging you
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• 3529[21:42:51] <towo`> paxcoder, the repo is non-free, not nonfree!
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• 3531[21:43:36] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: oh i see it now. towo` is correct, also i assume that you have an actual country code where it says <country code>?
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• 3534[21:44:16] <aricz> Hi, using an old version av Debian (Linux debian 2.6.34.10-vortex86-sg) on an ebox-3100 (small x86 computer).. sources.list is messed up (replaced-url
• 3535[21:44:32] <aricz> Oh, Debian 5.0.2a Lenny
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• 3537[21:44:59] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: one more thing, since you're using testing you'll get better support in testing's channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 3539[21:45:23] <paxcoder> jmcnaught: I doubt it
• 3540[21:45:36] <paxcoder> jmcnaught: yes, i sed'd the country code
• 3541[21:45:38] <markybob> !lenny sources.list
• 3542[21:45:38] <dpkg> Debian 5.0 "Lenny" is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb replaced-url
• 3543[21:45:45] <markybob> aricz: see that ^
• 3544[21:46:00] <jelly> aricz: that's a custom installation made by the vendor, who knows what manual changes they introduced so tread carefully
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• 3546[21:46:27] <aricz> These are the errors I get when 'apt-get update' replaced-url
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• 3548[21:46:41] <aricz> ahhh.. thanks both of you!
• 3549[21:46:42] <paxcoder> towo`: jmcnaught: But here's the weird part, the output of apt-get update paste.debian.net/423616
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• 3551[21:47:17] <paxcoder> It also says "Done." at the end, but somehow that wasn't piped to the file i pastebin'd
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• 3559[21:48:46] <paxcoder> Don't know why that is. Anyway, "non-free" solved my problem. Thanks
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• 3583[21:59:59] <transhuman_> hi am trying to setup qemu-kvm with a tun/tap interface and have a group interface sudo tunctl -t mytap -u xenlive << added user to interface ownership this is my etc/network/interfaces config replaced-url
• 3584[22:00:02] <transhuman_> I also did a modprobe tun ifup mytal restarted dnsmasq and did a newgrp vde2-net and added user to it
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• 3586[22:00:15] <transhuman_> s/mytal/mytap
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• 3588[22:00:59] <transhuman_> getting error qemu-system-x86_64: -net tap,vlan=0,ifname=mytap: could not configure /dev/net/tun (mytap): Operation not permitted qemu-system-x86_64: -net tap,vlan=0, ifname=mytap: device 'tap' could not be initialized
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• 3600[22:03:05] <attila__> Hello, is there a general help channel related to debian on freenode?
• 3601[22:03:26] <petemc> yes, this is it
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• 3603[22:04:21] <attila__> oh... i used nvidia-detect and it suggested me to install nvidia-driver that broke my x server. where can i find nvidia-conf that i remember from earlier? is it obsolete now?
• 3604[22:04:36] <attila__> tried an aptitude search for it
• 3605[22:04:38] <jelly> attila__: which debian release are you using?
• 3606[22:04:46] <attila__> jessie 8
• 3607[22:05:40] <attila__> or should i paste an uname
• 3608[22:05:42] <jelly> attila__: you shouldn't need nvidia-xconfig except in special circumstances
• 3609[22:05:51] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
• 3610[22:05:51] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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• 3614[22:06:49] <jelly> ^^ that one bit in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is supposed to be enough, unless you have special wishes about, dunno, multiple monitors and their order be set up in advance before you log in
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• 3618[22:07:15] <attila__> well im not sure what am i doing, clearly. should i just edit the driver line then?
• 3619[22:07:21] <attila__> in xorg.conf?
• 3620[22:07:40] <jelly> if you already have an xorg.conf in place, yeah
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• 3622[22:08:00] <attila__> i must have some,it is complaining about it on startx
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• 3624[22:08:08] <jelly> but the idea is you don't need the full config fule
• 3625[22:08:29] <jelly> file* either
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• 3627[22:09:07] <Ntemis> i have an issue with my mdadm
• 3628[22:09:09] <Ntemis> but my raid5 software array works fine :D
• 3629[22:09:18] <Ntemis> like /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays
• 3630[22:09:44] <attila__> actually
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• 3632[22:10:10] <attila__> i cant seem to find it either at /usr/share/X11 or at /etc/X11
• 3633[22:10:22] <attila__> ill try the lines you suggested i think
• 3634[22:10:46] <jelly> if you do precisely what the bot said, nothing more, nothing less, you ought to be set up
• 3635[22:11:08] <Ntemis> what shall i do?
• 3636[22:11:11] <towo`> attila__, mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
• 3637[22:11:31] <jelly> not just that.
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• 3641[22:12:47] <jelly> Ntemis: so your array gets brought up successfully at boot time, but you don't have either /etc/mdadm.conf or /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf?
• 3642[22:13:10] <jelly> Ntemis: or you just don't have any ARRAY lines?
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• 3652[22:16:50] <attila__> okay jelly thanks i will reboot now and see.
• 3653[22:17:09] <attila__> i made that minimal conf file
• 3654[22:17:11] <attila__> lets hope
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• 3662[22:19:44] <attila__> lmao i had to write that all by hand because idk how to copypaste with irssi but it was worth it
• 3663[22:19:49] <attila__> thank you jelly
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• 3671[22:20:55] <Ntemis> jelly: cat: /etc/mdadm.conf: No such file or directory
• 3672[22:21:06] <Ntemis> for /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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• 3674[22:21:33] <Ntemis> not much in it
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• 3676[22:21:50] <Ntemis> no raid lines
• 3677[22:21:58] <Ntemis> now what?
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• 3680[22:22:24] <Ntemis> but cat /proc/mdstat
• 3681[22:22:35] <Ntemis> Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
• 3682[22:22:57] <Ntemis> md127 : active raid5 sdb1[0] sde1[4] sdd1[6] sdc1[5] 5860145664 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/4] [UUUU]
• 3683[22:23:10] <Ntemis> jelly: unused devices: <none>
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• 3695[22:25:22] <nolsen> I upgraded from jessie to stretch, and now autoremove wants to remove a bunch of things that it shouldn't.
• 3696[22:25:49] <markybob> nolsen: you're also now not supported here. testing/unstable is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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• 3698[22:26:21] <Ntemis> anyone?
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• 3709[22:31:12] <jelly> Ntemis: well, you can use /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf to generate one and perhaps "dpkg-reconfigure mdadm" after that
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• 3722[22:38:08] <spacedust> i was thinking about using a workstation as a server, but it doesnt has ECC ram , is that very bad ?
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• 3729[22:40:36] <markybob> spacedust: no
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• 3734[22:42:20] <TomTomTosch> spacedust, errors are very rare. on systems with very large amount of RAM it can be important, but you will be fine without.
• 3735[22:42:40] <spacedust> TomTomTosch: i have 8gb of ddr3
• 3736[22:42:48] <spacedust> i was thinking about using zfs ...
• 3737[22:42:57] <spacedust> it would help make a mirrored raid
• 3738[22:43:08] <markybob> spacedust: really, you'll be fine. you don't need ecc. zfs on the other hand...
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• 3743[22:43:35] <spacedust> markybob: i was thinking about using proxmoxve and zfs
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• 3746[22:43:55] <markybob> due to licensing i won't touch zfs.
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• 3749[22:44:30] <spacedust> hmmm
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• 3751[22:44:36] <spacedust> markybob: so what options do i have ?
• 3752[22:44:50] <markybob> spacedust: btrfs. ext4. xfs. a shit ton
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• 3754[22:45:11] <spacedust> markybob: and make a mdadm raid manually ?
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• 3756[22:45:21] <drmagoo> Does anyone here know of a rdp-client (to access a win7 machine) that supports seperate windowsize (The program/client itself) and resolution? Windowsize is 2560x1440 and resolution is 1920x1080 for example...
• 3757[22:45:32] <markybob> spacedust: is this a clean install? the installer will create your raid for you
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• 3760[22:45:55] <spacedust> markybob: if i install debian on it it will do it ?
• 3761[22:46:00] <spacedust> hmm didnt knew that
• 3762[22:46:02] <markybob> spacedust: yes
• 3763[22:46:04] <spacedust> markybob: and how can i monitor it ?
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• 3765[22:46:23] <spacedust> with zfs it would be easy and also snapshoting and the rest but if you say its picky ...
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• 3767[22:47:08] <markybob> spacedust: lvm allows snapshots. so does btrfs. you need to read a bit more i think.
• 3768[22:47:35] <spacedust> markybob: lvm also has snapshots ? wow i didnt knew that
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• 3770[22:47:46] <spacedust> markybob: i mean zfs snapshot is push button snapshot is ready :)
• 3771[22:47:50] <spacedust> i never used btrfs
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• 3789[22:53:58] <spacedust> markybob: which installer you recommend ? netinst will do well ?
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• 3791[22:54:08] <markybob> spacedust: that's what i use
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• 3794[22:54:35] <spacedust> markybob: i have a silly situation where my 3rd disk WD green isnt detected if i enbaled RAID+AHCI, bios doesnt sees it
• 3795[22:54:42] <spacedust> if i boot linux i get it as /dev/sdc
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• 3797[22:55:01] <spacedust> if i dont enable that option ans use IDE option i dont get NCQ depth 0/32 and see all 3 disks at bios
• 3798[22:55:04] <spacedust> strange
• 3799[22:55:18] <markybob> hrm. i don't know anything about that. maybe someone else does
• 3800[22:55:27] <jelly> spacedust: do you need raid? Linux is better with just ahci.
• 3801[22:55:50] <spacedust> jelly: i cant enable ahci otherwise, i dont use raid of the motherboard
• 3802[22:55:56] <spacedust> jelly: i just have to enable that to get ahci
• 3803[22:56:01] <jelly> that's weird
• 3804[22:56:10] <spacedust> i havent made any raids
• 3805[22:56:14] <spacedust> jelly: yeah it is :)
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• 3809[22:57:06] <spacedust> replaced-url
• 3810[22:57:11] <spacedust> The requested URL /debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso was not found on this server.
• 3811[22:57:13] <markybob> spacedust: it's 8.4 now
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• 3816[22:57:52] <spacedust> but isnt that alpha ?
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• 3818[22:57:56] <spacedust> i clicked on the debian main page :P
• 3819[22:57:57] <markybob> spacedust: no
• 3820[22:58:05] <spacedust> okay thanks
• 3821[22:58:09] <markybob> spacedust: it was released yesterday. read /topic
• 3822[22:58:12] <jelly> are the isos ready?
• 3823[22:58:22] <markybob> yes
• 3824[22:58:40] <spacedust> replaced-url
• 3825[22:58:43] <spacedust> got it
• 3826[22:58:49] <spacedust> markybob: just reading it
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• 3867[23:10:56] <spacedust> can i just dd the netinst iso to a usb and boot ?
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• 3869[23:11:12] <markybob> spacedust: sure. or cp image.iso /dev/sdX
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• 3880[23:15:00] <spacedust> hmm
• 3881[23:15:06] <spacedust> is that the same as dd if ...
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• 3883[23:15:10] <spacedust> man :D thanks :D
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• 3890[23:15:48] <spacedust> if i could find my usb
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• 3901[23:18:43] <drmagoo> wrong window =(
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• 3981[23:46:31] <odin__> Hello! ran "file on /bin/ls" and the sha1 does not agree with sha1sum?
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• 3991[23:49:31] <odin__> Hello! ran "file on /bin/ls" and the sha1 does not agree with sha1sum?
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• 3997[23:50:04] <Mathisen> hello folks, anyone willing to help me with one thing ? i need these perl libaries > replaced-url
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• 4001[23:50:27] <grawity> odin__: huh? `file` doesn't print the sha1sum of /bin/ls
• 4002[23:50:40] <grawity> all it prints, in this case, is a "BuildID"
• 4003[23:50:56] <grawity> the sha1sum of all the *sources* combined
• 4004[23:50:58] <odin__> On mine it does\
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• 4006[23:51:09] <grawity> no it doesn't
• 4007[23:51:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> Mathisen, not all may be packaged... but install apt-file and you can search the repos for files ("/msg dpkg apt-file" for details"
• 4008[23:51:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> grawity, it prints a "buildID" sha1... whatever that is
• 4009[23:51:38] <grawity> I know
• 4010[23:51:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> odin__, you didn't ask a question, btw.
• 4011[23:51:45] <grawity> but that's not the sha1 of /bin/ls
• 4012[23:51:46] <odin__> I have run it before and it didn't but now it does
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• 4014[23:51:52] <Mathisen> CutMeOwnThroat, thx will try that
• 4015[23:51:55] <grawity> it's the sha1 of ls sources
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• 4017[23:52:30] <Ouroboros> what does it mean again if all tx packets are dropped in ifconfig?
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• 4019[23:52:37] <odin__> Thanks!
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• 4022[23:52:57] <spacedust> markybob: i just tryed making the software raid
• 4023[23:53:04] <spacedust> markybob: it says that all partitioning will be left as is
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• 4027[23:53:34] <spacedust> markybob: can i make a gpt partition layoug with lvm + software raid ?
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• 4031[23:54:34] <Mathisen> CutMeOwnThroat, thx this works perfect
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• 4039[23:58:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> yw
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