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• 7[00:06:20] <deego> how do i ask apt to prompt y/n before actually executing the apt install a b c d instruction?
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• 12[00:11:31] <life_SUX> Damn it, Maybe i ought to just reinstall the OS.
• 13[00:12:14] <zalt__> life_SUX: don't you have your entire / added to a git repository?
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• 15[00:12:35] <zalt__> if you had it setup that way, you could easily just git checkout HEAD~1
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• 17[00:12:56] * zalt__ wtf
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• 21[00:14:41] <life_SUX> OK,. I
• 22[00:15:03] <life_SUX> OK, l'll try reinstalling
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• 25[00:17:27] <life_SUX> zalt : i have no idea
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• 27[00:18:28] <life_SUX> ..perhaps I should of tried a distro that is more 'newbie-freindly"
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• 29[00:18:42] <zalt> like arch!
• 30[00:18:55] <dvs> life_SUX, debian is definitely a tinkerer's distro
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• 32[00:19:39] <life_SUX> ok
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• 34[00:20:05] <zalt> life_SUX: how did you ruin your debian installation
• 35[00:21:13] <life_SUX> I installed the image file onto a DVD, and then stuck that into the other computer.
• 36[00:21:29] <dvs> ???
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• 38[00:21:45] <life_SUX> I think that I set something wrong during the setup
• 39[00:22:26] <zalt> wtf
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• 42[00:23:13] <life_SUX> It would not allow me it unpack the files onto a USB memory stick
• 43[00:24:28] <dvs> unpack? You're just suppose the .iso to the USB drive.
• 44[00:24:43] <dvs> supposed to COPY
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• 46[00:24:52] <life_SUX> It would not let me.
• 47[00:25:06] <dvs> What would not let you?
• 48[00:25:37] <life_SUX> The Debian iso file
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• 50[00:26:09] <zalt> wtf
• 51[00:26:12] <dvs> The .iso won't prevent the copy. The tool you use to do it might
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• 53[00:26:47] <life_SUX> I was using windows 7 on another computer
• 54[00:27:15] <zalt> serious question: is an operating system installation anything more than a bunch of files?
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• 56[00:27:29] <dvs> Dragging the .iso file to a USB drive is not enough.
• 57[00:27:30] <zalt> i mean sure in case of bios you need the mbr thing, but that's no longer relevant with uefi
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• 59[00:28:10] <zalt> so, is there anything wrong with cp -rP / /mnt/new_system?
• 60[00:28:27] <dvs> zalt, life_SUX is using Windows to do it.
• 61[00:28:39] <zalt> does the initramfs or something somehow get customized for the machine that it is installed on?
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• 63[00:28:54] <zalt> dvs: yeah, my question is not related to what life_SUX is asking about
• 64[00:28:55] <life_SUX> on a different computer, NOT the one that i installed Debian
• 65[00:29:10] <zalt> life_SUX: you could use rafus or something, it's a tool to "burn" an iso on a usb
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• 68[00:30:00] <bouba> rufus
• 69[00:30:03] <zalt> ^
• 70[00:30:15] <life_SUX> What, just copying it won't work? The OS installed sucessfully on the computer, it just won't boot.
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• 73[00:30:43] <zalt> maybe things were broken, or you installed it as uefi on a system that expects bios or something
• 74[00:30:49] <zalt> just use the right tool for the job
• 75[00:31:18] <life_SUX> I bwet that is what it is ... Damn it, I will have to reinstall
• 76[00:31:30] <dvs> life_SUX, no, you need a tool like rufus or win32diskimager to put the .iso onto a USB drive
• 77[00:32:05] <life_SUX> I have a copy pf Rufus. and antoher program, I think...
• 78[00:32:11] <life_SUX> ok
• 79[00:32:31] <life_SUX> But i did NOT use an USB, I used a DVD disk
• 80[00:32:36] <zalt> life_SUX: are you new to linux in general?
• 81[00:32:43] <life_SUX> yes.
• 82[00:32:58] <zalt> are you planning on dual booting?
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• 84[00:33:03] <life_SUX> no
• 85[00:33:10] <life_SUX> different computers
• 86[00:33:16] <zalt> good. then nvm
• 87[00:33:27] <dvs> life_SUX, To put it on a DVD, you need to burn it into the disk.
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• 89[00:34:01] <life_SUX> I did that. That is what i used to install it.
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• 92[00:34:30] <zalt> life_SUX: a dvd should work fine, that doesn't explain why it's not boooting
• 93[00:34:39] <life_SUX> yes, i know.
• 94[00:34:51] <zalt> is the target system expecting uefi or bios?
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• 96[00:35:16] <life_SUX> it has to be something set incorrectly in the setup. Can't i access the config file, and change it?
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• 98[00:35:21] <dvs> So it depends where GRUB was installed to
• 99[00:35:33] <zalt> you need to boot to the correct installer that matches the type
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• 104[00:36:10] <life_SUX> C: drive
• 105[00:36:37] <dvs> where on the "C: drive"?
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• 107[00:37:06] <life_SUX> I do not recall the name of the folder
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• 109[00:37:20] <zalt> that doesn't make sense
• 110[00:37:37] * zalt wonders if life_SUX is trolling
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• 112[00:37:52] <bouba> were is grub?
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• 114[00:37:59] <life_SUX> am NOT trolling
• 115[00:38:01] <dvs> life_SUX, if Debian is the only OS on the drive then GRUB needs to be installed to the Master Boot Record.
• 116[00:38:11] <zalt> dvs: assuming bios
• 117[00:38:16] <dvs> true
• 118[00:38:27] <zalt> that's the thing, know what kind of system he has
• 119[00:38:32] <zalt> life_SUX: what kind of system do you have
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• 121[00:38:51] <life_SUX> none. the hard drive was wiped
• 122[00:38:59] <zalt> can you boot to bios or uefi settings (pressing del or f2 or whatever at boot)
• 123[00:39:26] <life_SUX> yes, i can boot to f2, and F12
• 124[00:39:43] <zalt> go there, and check whether it mentions anything about efi or legacy boot
• 125[00:40:06] <dvs> is it a fancy graphics screen or simple text?
• 126[00:40:15] <zalt> dvs: that's not a good way to tell
• 127[00:40:19] <life_SUX> in the BIOS set up, or the boot choice setup?
• 128[00:41:02] <dvs> the BIOS setup
• 129[00:41:04] <zalt> life_SUX: if there's anything mentioned about uefi or "legacy boot" then it's an uefi system
• 130[00:41:07] <dvs> zalt, why not?
• 131[00:41:26] <zalt> dvs: there are uefi systems that have silly text based interfaces
• 132[00:42:00] <dvs> I guess I'm too used to Asus motherboards
• 133[00:42:39] <life_SUX> no. o thought thati had, but I cannot find it.. OK, The boot is set to Legacy
• 134[00:42:52] <life_SUX> Should i chanfge it to EEFI?
• 135[00:42:59] <life_SUX> change...
• 136[00:43:03] <zalt> yes, that's better, there's no reason to use bios
• 137[00:43:42] <zalt> change it to that then boot to the uefi debian installer
• 138[00:43:52] <life_SUX> funny. The only chocie that is had was the cd.dvd drive
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• 140[00:44:25] <life_SUX> OK, it wants to install
• 141[00:44:45] <life_SUX> Graphical install, or regualr install?
• 142[00:44:59] <zalt> graphical, then follow a guide
• 143[00:45:04] <life_SUX> ok
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• 147[00:47:12] <life_SUX> OK. Should the hostname be just "debian" ?
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• 149[00:47:35] <bouba> life_SUX, hhh
• 150[00:47:45] <dvs> life_SUX, it can be (almost) whatever you want.
• 151[00:47:54] <dvs> life_SUX, it is the "name" of your machine.
• 152[00:48:14] <dvs> zalt, there goes the "guide" idea.
• 153[00:48:39] <bouba> dvs, swap?
• 154[00:49:03] <zalt> life_SUX: i believe there's no reason to fill the channel with simple questions like this, following a guide or a tutorial might is better
• 155[00:49:10] * zalt is not a moderator
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• 157[00:49:34] <zalt> s/is/be/
• 158[00:49:35] <bouba> life_SUX, next?
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• 162[00:51:11] * zalt wonders about his own question
• 163[00:51:32] <dvs> dvs, what questions?
• 164[00:51:43] <zalt> dvs: it's not you who asked the question
• 165[00:52:13] <zalt> is an operating system installation anything more than a bunch of files?
• 166[00:52:26] <somiaj> zalt: look up the deboostrap method of installing debian
• 167[00:52:31] <zalt> is there anything wrong with cp -rP / /mnt/new_system?
• 168[00:52:33] <life_SUX> I was not going through EVERY questino 9obvisously).. .Gee, does that mean thati shouldn't type my password onto the channel?
• 169[00:52:46] <somiaj> zalt: you have to bootstrap it or make the kernel bootable, which requires grub, configuring uefi, etc
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• 171[00:53:01] <dvs> zalt, I'd rather use Clonezilla to do something like that.
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• 173[00:53:31] <zalt> dvs: i've used such a solution in the past, and i'm wondering whether it could break
• 174[00:53:33] <somiaj> zalt: cp -rP will have lots of troubles, you want to also presver file ownership and permissions
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• 176[00:53:44] <somiaj> cp -a or rsync -a is what I use when doing that method
• 177[00:54:16] <zalt> oh, sorry i thought -P was preserve
• 178[00:54:20] <life_SUX> OK, Should I force EUFI installation??
• 179[00:54:37] <somiaj> also realize some of the stuff in / you don't want to copy, such as /dev, /run, and other tmp filsystems
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• 181[00:54:53] <zalt> somiaj: what do you need to do in order to make the kernel bootable?
• 182[00:55:12] <zalt> i mean on efi systems just a correct efi partition/configuration right?
• 183[00:55:17] <dvs> use Clonezilla ;-)
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• 185[00:55:48] <somiaj> zalt: you have to also talk to the efi firmware to tell it where to look for the .efi file on the partition
• 186[00:56:34] <life_SUX> bouba: Should I force EUFI installation??
• 187[00:56:39] <zalt> really?, isn't that just dependent on the fat system directory structure it's on?
• 188[00:57:01] <zalt> life_SUX: yes, i guess
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• 191[00:57:36] <zalt> somiaj: at installation i think an initramfs is created, does this contain drivers/things that are specific for the operating system it's on?
• 192[00:58:04] <zalt> or does linux usually work no matter what (all needed drivers will be there in the kernel itself)
• 193[00:58:10] <life_SUX> Should i setup LVM when partitioning the disk?
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• 195[00:58:13] <somiaj> depends on the options you choose, and what you need in the initramfs
• 196[00:59:01] <zalt> somiaj: i have no idea what an initramfs is typically used for
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• 198[00:59:23] <somiaj> it contains a small subset of files needed during boot but before the root file system is available
• 199[00:59:36] <zalt> and that might include drivers?
• 200[00:59:59] <bouba> life_SUX, no lvm .
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• 203[01:00:08] <somiaj> on basic installs, most modules are already included so you don't often have to include new stuff for a new machine
• 204[01:00:20] <life_SUX> bouba; ok, thanks
• 205[01:00:20] <somiaj> on more complicated setups with lvm, encryption, and so on, then you need to rebuild it
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• 207[01:00:49] <somiaj> zalt: it really only needs to contain the modules needed to read the root filesystem, once the kernel can read the root filesystem, it can get everything else form there
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• 209[01:01:05] <somiaj> well it does contain other stuff, but stuff that is needed before the root filesystem is mounted and ready
• 210[01:01:36] <life_SUX> all the files in ine partion, or seperate home partirtion (or seperate home, var and tmp partitions?
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• 212[01:01:53] <zalt> life_SUX: i recommend one partition
• 213[01:01:58] <life_SUX> ok
• 214[01:01:59] <dvs> no way!
• 215[01:02:03] <dvs> separate home
• 216[01:02:10] <dvs> in case of a crash
• 217[01:02:18] <life_SUX> ok. good point.
• 218[01:03:43] <life_SUX> is 8.5 GBs large enough for a swap file?
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• 221[01:04:06] <dvs> life_SUX, it should be the same size as your RAM if you want to use Suspend to Disk.
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• 224[01:04:35] <life_SUX> ahh, THAT is why super grub displayed 4 entries ...
• 225[01:04:46] <life_SUX> dvs; ok. //off by 1/2 a GB
• 226[01:05:22] <dvs> a little more wouldn't hurt
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• 229[01:05:50] <life_SUX> heh, too late now ..installing the base system
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• 231[01:06:41] <life_SUX> i think that the EUFI might of neen what goofed me up (or rather, NOT forcing it to EUFI)
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• 233[01:06:46] <bouba> life_SUX, ask no prob.
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• 237[01:08:24] <life_SUX> i do appreciate the help. When it comes to Linux, I might as well try to read an alien language.
• 238[01:09:20] <bouba> life_SUX, u can read tutorials "install debian in graphical mode"
• 239[01:09:29] * life_SUX digs out his English to Klingon dictionary...
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• 241[01:10:10] <bouba> life_SUX, u speak french or spannish?
• 242[01:10:14] <life_SUX> yeah, i think that I might have that bookmarked.
• 243[01:10:18] <life_SUX> nope.
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• 245[01:10:47] <bouba> what ur native language? sry
• 246[01:10:49] <life_SUX> I stink at C++, python, etc.
• 247[01:10:56] <life_SUX> English
• 248[01:11:03] <bouba> ok
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• 265[01:25:33] <warsoul> hi
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• 267[01:25:43] <warsoul> i lost the wifi connection
• 268[01:25:47] <warsoul> now i cant connect back
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• 272[01:27:05] <life_SUX> OK, Any suggestions on which software package?
• 273[01:27:31] <warsoul> i click the network manager on my desktop
• 274[01:27:36] <warsoul> but can see my wifi
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• 276[01:27:46] <warsoul> have to add a new connection typed manually
• 277[01:29:29] <dvs> life_SUX, From the installer? I'd finish the install first before adding packages.
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• 281[01:35:09] <warsoul> need help asap
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• 283[01:35:39] <life_SUX> dvs this is part of the installer Software selection.. You can add different packages later, right? I;ll stick with the desktop enivroment and standard systen utils
• 284[01:36:13] <dvs> life_SUX, Yes, I'd leave it at that
• 285[01:36:21] <life_SUX> ok
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• 288[01:39:24] <warsoul> wifi stopped working
• 289[01:41:06] <life_SUX> Sorry to hear that .. mine wouldn't work with my cellphone ..damn windows 7
• 290[01:41:31] <life_SUX> ,,,bluetooth, actualy. wifi never wanted to work
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• 298[01:48:02] <warsoul> typed
• 299[01:48:20] <warsoul> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | grep -i ssid
• 300[01:48:39] <warsoul> wlan0 Interface doenst support scanning.
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• 306[01:53:54] <bouba> life_SUX, u can choose ur embeded desktope , gnome kde or xfce.
• 307[01:54:05] <bouba> -e
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• 325[02:04:14] <life_SUX> OK, Here we go
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• 327[02:04:43] <bouba> we go? u and buster?
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• 329[02:05:16] <life_SUX> ..blank screen OK, it's loading
• 330[02:05:34] <life_SUX> yes
• 331[02:05:37] <bouba> congrat
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• 336[02:06:03] <life_SUX> I could NOT done it without the help of you, and the oithers on tis channel.
• 337[02:06:11] <life_SUX> this...
• 338[02:06:37] <bouba> it's easy in graphical mode.
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• 342[02:07:43] <life_SUX> It did bnot display this the previous time ... Loading Linuix .19.0.6-amd64, Loading initial ramdisk...
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• 345[02:08:32] <life_SUX> {;ymouth? heh, I use to like MOPARs
• 346[02:08:48] <life_SUX> Plymouth...
• 347[02:08:57] <life_SUX> OK, sign on screen
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• 351[02:11:46] <bouba> just simple.
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• 353[02:12:31] <bouba> u no need artificial applications.
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• 355[02:14:41] <life_SUX> ...Art I. Ficial ?
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• 359[02:15:26] <life_SUX> ..sorry.
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• 361[02:15:41] <life_SUX> OK. Thanks again.
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• 363[02:16:02] <bouba> u understand me.
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• 420[03:05:42] <life_SUX> Hi, again ..small problem. i am trying to install a program from the command line. it asks for my password, but it will not allow me to type ot (or does it just does not print it on the screen?
• 421[03:06:11] <RoyK> it never prints out anything while typing a password
• 422[03:06:17] <RoyK> just type it and press enter
• 423[03:06:35] <life_SUX> ok
• 424[03:07:02] <life_SUX> Again, gotten lazy from using windows.
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• 427[03:10:19] <life_SUX> It says that my nick is NOT in the suoders files, and that this incindet will be reported
• 428[03:10:28] <life_SUX> ..incident
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• 430[03:10:58] <life_SUX> exit my ass
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• 432[03:11:36] <whislock> life_SUX: Is your user in the necessary group for sudo rights?
• 433[03:11:57] <life_SUX> no idea./ How do i check?
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• 437[03:15:45] <LtL> life_SUX: type 'id' no qoutes
• 438[03:15:50] <whislock> Or '
• 439[03:15:53] <whislock> Or 'groups'.
• 440[03:17:11] <whislock> life_SUX: Is this your first foray into a linux OS?
• 441[03:17:52] <life_SUX> OK, uid=1000(nick) Is that correct?
• 442[03:18:23] <whislock> That's your user ID. In this instance, it's the groups that matter.
• 443[03:18:33] <dvs> the gids
• 444[03:18:46] <life_SUX> gid=1000(nick)
• 445[03:18:52] <whislock> The gid field is your primary group.
• 446[03:18:59] <whislock> The 'groups' are what matter. That's why I said groups, not gid.
• 447[03:19:08] <dvs> anything after that? (There should be)
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• 449[03:19:28] <life_SUX> whislock" well. rtechniccally my second .
• 450[03:20:04] <whislock> life_SUX: To be clear, I'm not trying to call you a noob or anything. There are some good resources for relative beginners. If you'd like, I can point you to some of them.
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• 453[03:21:30] <life_SUX> yes 24(cdrom), 25(floppy). 29(audio).30(dip), 44(video), 46plugdev), so on and so on
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• 455[03:21:39] <LtL> life_SUX: i doubt you're in the sudo group. sooo, become root 'su -' enter root's password, then # adduser username sudo type exit ad logout, login and you'll be a sudo user.
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• 457[03:21:48] <dvs> life_SUX, You need to switch over to root (by typing "su -" and then entering the root password). Then type "adduser <user> sudo" where <user> is the username you want to add to the sudo group
• 458[03:21:55] <whislock> life_SUX: When someone's asking you for output, "and so on" doesn't help.
• 459[03:22:02] <dvs> LtL, liar! ;-)
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• 461[03:22:12] <life_SUX> in the terminal?
• 462[03:22:14] <LtL> dvs: i win
• 463[03:22:19] <dvs> darn!
• 464[03:22:29] <life_SUX> su-
• 465[03:22:33] <LtL> life_SUX: yes terminal
• 466[03:22:34] <dvs> su -
• 467[03:22:40] <life_SUX> damn it
• 468[03:23:21] <life_SUX> OK. Sorry. command mnot found
• 469[03:23:47] <LtL> life_SUX: apt install sudo as root
• 470[03:23:51] <dvs> You would get that if you typed in your version
• 471[03:24:18] <dvs> Oh ***. Of course that needs to be done first.
• 472[03:24:24] <whislock> LtL: The sudo command is already installed.
• 473[03:24:33] <whislock> Or he wouldn't have gotten the "not in sudoers" error.
• 474[03:25:17] <LtL> then his path is off, 'su -' hyphen is important
• 475[03:25:45] <whislock> I'm aware.
• 476[03:25:57] <whislock> I suspect he didn't include the space, which is also important.
• 477[03:26:14] <dvs> That's my guess
• 478[03:26:26] <LtL> reading correctly is important
• 479[03:26:34] <whislock> life_SUX: I highly recommend that you find some beginning system administrator tutorials.
• 480[03:26:42] <joepublic> In a terminal, yes.
• 481[03:26:49] <dvs> We've been recommending that all day
• 482[03:27:11] <whislock> Then why are we further encouraging him to be a help vampire?
• 483[03:27:23] <dvs> pretty much
• 484[03:27:42] <whislock> That was a 'why.' I can see that we are. :P
• 485[03:28:02] <life_SUX> it says that it could not open a locked file file/var/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: permisssion denied) Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock l/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend) are you root?
• 486[03:28:04] <joepublic> hope springs eternal, you always hope that someone will start to catch on. "Oh! When I type something different, it doesn't work! I get it."
• 487[03:28:16] <whislock> life_SUX: replaced-url
• 488[03:28:23] <whislock> You need to start with material like that.
• 489[03:28:29] <joepublic> that message should be changed to just "are you root?"
• 490[03:28:31] <life_SUX> ok
• 491[03:28:45] <whislock> This channel isn't meant to walk you through literally every keystroke.
• 492[03:30:09] <joepublic> that sort of help generally starts with "will this be visa or mastercard"
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• 512[03:45:20] <life_SUX> Damn thing is not even letting mer into the root
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• 514[03:46:29] <jim> life_SUX, the way lock files work, is these lockfiles have a known name and location... and either they're present or they're not... the idea is there should be only one apt or dpkg running at a time, so that apt or dpkg "acquires a lock" (which means: it create the lock file) and while it's running, that lock will exist. if something else tries to run dpkg or apt, it will see that lock file, and refuse to run because the lock is present
• 515[03:47:39] <jim> life_SUX, with me so far?
• 516[03:47:50] <life_SUX> yes
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• 519[03:49:43] <LtL> life_SUX: copy/paste this in a terminal, lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
• 520[03:50:23] <LtL> life_SUX: if root owns that process only root can kill it.
• 521[03:50:48] <jim> ok... the "are you root" message is given when apt or dpkg is called to do something that writes, like: read in the files that have the list pf packages (this is usually done with apt update), or install a package... if you try to run that as a nonroot user, it wouldn't be able to write to the places it needs to write, because it has to be run as root
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• 525[03:51:59] <life_SUX> no such kile or directory
• 526[03:52:03] <life_SUX> file...
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• 529[03:53:03] <jim> life_SUX, if you run a dpkg or apt command as root, and the lock file is present, that means another process is running (such as apt or dpkg), and you'll get a message saying the lock is there, and it will refuse to run...
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• 533[03:54:41] <jim> say something weird happened... say you were trying to install a package, and apt segfaulted (or something)... so it dies and there is still a lock (because the apt or dpkg didn't get a chance to remove it after completing what it was doing)
• 534[03:54:52] <life_SUX> The only thing that i had running was Firefox, and i closed that
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• 536[03:55:55] <life_SUX> So. Should i reboot? Would that clear it ?
• 537[03:55:56] <jim> if that happened to you, you would remove the lock (but you should determine if it's -really- stale (lock present, process long dead)
• 538[03:56:35] <life_SUX> jim; .>i just reinstalled this version
• 539[03:56:54] <jim> no, the lock will still be there, so you have to make sure the locking process really died, and if it has, you can remove the lock manually
• 540[03:57:03] <life_SUX> Less than 2 hours ago
• 541[03:57:19] <life_SUX> OK, how do i do that?
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• 545[03:57:54] <jim> life_SUX, you were given a way to do that
• 546[03:58:14] <jim> lsof /path/to/lockfile (which I don't know)
• 547[03:58:23] <life_SUX> It will not accwept my password
• 548[03:58:31] <life_SUX> ...accept...
• 549[03:59:03] <jim> can you log in as another plain user?
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• 552[03:59:27] <life_SUX> i do not know ...I am the only one using the comouter\
• 553[03:59:37] <life_SUX> computer
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• 555[04:00:13] <jim> so then if the lock exists, do you think it's stale?
• 556[04:00:38] <life_SUX> I have no idea .. I am new to all of this
• 557[04:00:49] <jim> ok
• 558[04:01:39] <whislock> Hence the previous advice regarding tutorials to get you started.
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• 560[04:02:11] <life_SUX> I am reading that. i was trying to access the root dir
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• 570[04:04:49] <jim> well I looked in man dpkg, and I found a mention of the lock, but the lockfile is not listed in the files section, nor is it mentioned anywhere else
• 571[04:05:43] <life_SUX> ...ok. There isn't a subfile, or file that lists the locled file(s) ?
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• 573[04:05:56] <life_SUX> ...locked...
• 574[04:06:02] <whislock> The better question is WHAT is holding the lock.
• 575[04:06:14] <jim> dunno
• 576[04:06:38] <life_SUX> ...sub directory, or file. ok
• 577[04:07:18] <LtL> life_SUX: so it won't accept root password? did you enable unattended-upgrades per chance?
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• 579[04:08:09] <life_SUX> LtL " /?i do not recall seeing that in the setup.
• 580[04:08:30] <life_SUX> whislock : System Monitor?
• 581[04:08:37] <LtL> life_SUX: how about the first question?
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• 583[04:09:04] <jim> yeah, imo, if I don't start an upgrade, it shouldn't happen
• 584[04:09:37] <life_SUX> LtL " no,. not in Sudo.
• 585[04:10:03] <life_SUX> LtL " no,. not in Sudo.
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• 587[04:10:05] <jim> since I'm the one that's going to be facing the aftermath of whatever changed or what got broken as a result
• 588[04:10:06] <LtL> life_SUX: are you root now, or you cannot become root?
• 589[04:10:11] <life_SUX> oops sorry
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• 591[04:10:42] <LtL> life_SUX: stay in a terminal by the way.
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• 594[04:11:12] <life_SUX> LtL Whatever the tTerminal opens up to -s
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• 596[04:11:44] <life_SUX> jim: ..screw it, I'll just reinstall it if i have to
• 597[04:12:27] <LtL> life_SUX: no, just reboot then tell us when you're back
• 598[04:13:16] <life_SUX> whislock " //Would I be able to use The System Monitor to find out what is locled?
• 599[04:13:27] <life_SUX> ..locked?
• 600[04:13:32] <life_SUX> ok
• 601[04:13:47] <LtL> life_SUX: use 'top' in a terminal
• 602[04:14:01] <life_SUX> ok
• 603[04:14:01] <LtL> type 'q' to quit top.
• 604[04:14:50] <life_SUX> hold on ...not loaded yet. I can only imagine how long this took back in the 80s
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• 606[04:16:04] <LtL> life_SUX: what are the top processes? anything dpkg or apt related? it should take a second to run top or the machine is very busy
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• 610[04:18:15] <life_SUX> oh, there it goes... wow. I thought that windows 95 was slow
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• 612[04:18:36] <LtL> if the terminal opens to a -s i've never saw that, something is whacked
• 613[04:19:06] <life_SUX> OKi am back in
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• 615[04:19:20] <LtL> life_SUX: what is the highest process in top
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• 617[04:19:56] <life_SUX> in Termnial?
• 618[04:20:10] <LtL> yes i said stay in a terminal
• 619[04:20:24] <life_SUX> nick system name:-s
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• 621[04:20:28] <LtL> if synaptic is open, thats a problem.
• 622[04:20:38] <life_SUX> oh. -$
• 623[04:20:43] <dvs> that's the lock
• 624[04:20:53] <LtL> yeah, better, be accurate
• 625[04:21:05] <life_SUX> ahhh. ok, how do we kind what is locked?
• 626[04:21:35] <LtL> life_SUX: did you open synaptic, is it running?
• 627[04:21:46] <life_SUX> sorry. the monitor is a bit too far away, it looks like an S
• 628[04:21:55] <life_SUX> no
• 629[04:22:13] <LtL> and top says what at the top?
• 630[04:22:13] <life_SUX> niot manually. Do you want me to chexj the system monitor?
• 631[04:22:18] <LtL> no
• 632[04:22:40] <life_SUX> of the window? nicksysten name
• 633[04:22:47] <life_SUX> system name
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• 636[04:23:15] <LtL> just reboot, it'll fix orphaned inodes and get to a TERMINAL
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• 638[04:23:30] <life_SUX> I just rebooted
• 639[04:24:26] <warsoul> i just create a user on my debian pc im trying to ssh from another pc
• 640[04:24:33] <warsoul> with my ip
• 641[04:24:37] <warsoul> but is not connecting
• 642[04:24:37] <LtL> life_SUX: ok try becoming root again, type su - hit enter type root pass, thats `su -` space after su
• 643[04:24:53] <life_SUX> ok
• 644[04:25:10] <life_SUX> su -su -
• 645[04:25:33] <life_SUX> su -
• 646[04:25:45] <life_SUX> sudo
• 647[04:25:50] <LtL> good lord, yes su space hyphen
• 648[04:26:05] <LtL> nobody said sudo
• 649[04:26:24] <LtL> is your prompt a # instead of $
• 650[04:27:08] <life_SUX> SORRY. I have 2 KBs.. Sometimes, i type on the wrong one
• 651[04:27:46] <LtL> is your prompt a # ?
• 652[04:27:47] <life_SUX> password authication failed
• 653[04:28:02] <LtL> you sure it's correct?
• 654[04:28:10] <life_SUX> no a solid prompt
• 655[04:28:45] <life_SUX> yes
• 656[04:29:07] <LtL> yes what, the password?
• 657[04:29:26] <life_SUX> yes
• 658[04:29:35] <life_SUX> I tried three times
• 659[04:29:54] <LtL> caps lock is off?
• 660[04:30:22] <life_SUX> yes
• 661[04:31:09] <LtL> the fix would take longer for you than a reinstall
• 662[04:31:23] <life_SUX> I just reinstalled theOD
• 663[04:31:29] <life_SUX> OS
• 664[04:31:47] <life_SUX> ...maye i should go back to using a 386
• 665[04:32:01] <LtL> i know, had you ever become root previously?
• 666[04:32:15] <life_SUX> no idea
• 667[04:32:55] <life_SUX> I had a couple of the people assist me with the setup.
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• 669[04:33:06] <LtL> reinstall, good way to learn.
• 670[04:33:26] <life_SUX> ..perhsp I am too stupid for Linux
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• 673[04:33:52] <LtL> no, its self explanatory, kinda
• 674[04:34:18] <dvs> He won't read the guides before diving into it
• 675[04:34:37] <LtL> use the whole disk, don't partition, be very careful setting a root password
• 676[04:35:01] <dvs> I'm guessing he didn't remember the root password.
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• 678[04:35:18] <LtL> oh well..
• 679[04:36:02] <LtL> dvs: yeah, i noticed the hand holding. y'all tried tho'
• 680[04:36:29] <dvs> Oh boy we did but we can't help someone who won't help themselves
• 681[04:36:48] <SerajewelKS> sometimes i feel like there should be an IQ test to join this channel
• 682[04:37:02] <LtL> the nickname begs the question...
• 683[04:37:40] <SerajewelKS> i don't want people thinking we're elitist but i also don't enjoy wasting time on people who are unwilling to read
• 684[04:37:50] <dvs> agreed
• 685[04:38:04] <LtL> /me nods
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• 708[04:56:54] <gkwhc> Hi all, i'm trying to install a program (easystroke) that depends on libboost_serialization 1.62 however Debian 10 only has 1.67. how can i install 1.62 as well?
• 709[04:57:42] <RoyK> shouldn't that be backwards compatible?
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• 711[05:00:25] <gkwhc> RoyK: its not for some reason
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• 715[05:09:06] <hussar> I'm trying/upgrading to debian testing
• 716[05:09:17] <themill> boost is problematic like that
• 717[05:10:29] <themill> gkwhc: you either need to get this program rebuilt for buster or see if libboost-serialization1.62.0 from stretch can be installed
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• 730[05:23:29] <somiaj> hussar: debian testing questions should be in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. The debian wiki has a decent testing faq you should read first.
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• 738[05:36:16] <meichthys> Would someone lend a hand? I’m having the hardest time getting my host to talk on a vlan.
• 739[05:36:38] <meichthys> I’m running a single nic proxmox host with a pfsense VM
• 740[05:37:06] <meichthys> the nic that the proxmox host is connected to is a ‘trunk’ port that is passing multiple vlan’s traffic
• 741[05:37:31] <meichthys> I have this interface config:
• 742[05:37:39] <meichthys> auto lo
• 743[05:37:40] <meichthys> face lo inet loopback
• 744[05:37:41] <meichthys> auto eno1
• 745[05:37:43] <meichthys> face eno1 inet manual
• 746[05:37:44] <meichthys> auto vmbr0
• 747[05:37:46] <meichthys> face vmbr0 inet manual
• 748[05:37:47] <meichthys> bridge-ports eno1
• 749[05:37:49] <meichthys> bridge-stp off
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• 751[05:38:00] <sponix> lol
• 752[05:38:18] <dvs> that's why u cant connect
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• 754[05:38:32] <annadane> !paste
• 755[05:38:33] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 756[05:38:38] <meichthys> sorry, i should have sent the pastebin
• 757[05:38:51] <meichthys> replaced-url
• 758[05:38:58] <meichthys> replaced-url
• 759[05:39:27] <meichthys> replaced-url
• 760[05:39:33] <annadane> yes, we see that.
• 761[05:39:47] <annadane> also, we generally prefer paste.debian.net over pastebin.com
• 762[05:39:57] <meichthys> i thought i had the pastebin url on the clipboard, but aparently not!
• 763[05:39:59] <meichthys> replaced-url
• 764[05:40:05] <annadane> you've posted it 4 times now.
• 765[05:40:06] <meichthys> now it won’t let me paste the url.
• 766[05:40:17] <meichthys> oh sry, it isn’t showing on my end lol
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• 768[05:40:49] <deego> don't leave!
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• 771[05:42:07] <sponix> meichthys: welcome back
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• 773[05:42:42] <meichthys> sponix: thanks, sorry about the flood
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• 775[05:43:19] <annadane> that's ok, if it wasn't for a flood humanity would never have been cleansed of its sins
• 776[05:43:34] <annadane> sorry, being silly
• 777[05:43:37] <meichthys> annadane: agreed
• 778[05:43:57] <meichthys> any experience with vlan network configurations?
• 779[05:44:08] <jelly> meichthys: 1) iface not face 2) you shouldn't have bridge config on both trunk and vlan ifaces, pick one (probably just trunk)
• 780[05:44:25] <meichthys> sorry i do have iface, my mac auto-‘fixed’ that
• 781[05:45:14] <meichthys> jelly: i’m pretty sure i want the bridge on the trunk iface
• 782[05:45:40] <jelly> what for?
• 783[05:45:41] <meichthys> so then in proxmox, i can configure each vm’s vlan(s) individually
• 784[05:45:52] <meichthys> i have pfsense running as a vm
• 785[05:46:03] <meichthys> i’d like pfsense to get all the traffic form the trunk
• 786[05:46:21] <meichthys> but i’d also like proxmox to be able to communicate on vlan5
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• 788[05:48:21] <meichthys> jelly: do you think my vmbr0.5 config should then have a bridge-port of ‘vmbr0’?
• 789[05:48:35] <jelly> meichthys: I don't think you have bridging on both eno1 and eno1.5.
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• 791[05:48:44] <jelly> it doesn't make sense
• 792[05:49:02] <jelly> pick one.
• 793[05:49:40] <meichthys> If i bridge using vmbr0, then how would i get the host to communicate on vlan 5?
• 794[05:50:01] <jelly> the bridge is also just a normal iface for linux.
• 795[05:50:29] <jelly> you can still configure just untagged vlans like vmbr0.5
• 796[05:51:09] <meichthys> jelly: interesting.
• 797[05:51:15] <meichthys> what would that config look like?
• 798[05:51:21] <meichthys> auto vmbr0.5
• 799[05:51:31] <jelly> get rid of bridge* for vmbr0.5
• 800[05:51:44] <meichthys> ah.. so no bridge-ports for vmbr0.5?
• 801[05:51:56] <meichthys> don’t tell me it’s that easy!
• 802[05:52:06] <meichthys> i’ve been struggling with this for weeks.
• 803[05:52:44] <jelly> ifupdown knows something.number is to be configured as vlan "number" on "something" iface
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• 805[05:53:26] <meichthys> how’s this look?
• 806[05:53:27] <meichthys> replaced-url
• 807[05:54:57] <jelly> slightly more sane. Also is there a special reason why you need to shut stp off and explicitely do that bridge-vlan-aware yes thing?
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• 810[05:55:58] * jelly can't find bridge.vlan.aware in bridge-utils-interfaces(5)
• 811[05:56:12] <meichthys> i don’t think i need the stp off but the vlan aware i believe is necessary for me to be able to specify a vlan for VM virtual nics
• 812[05:56:59] <jelly> do you only believe these things, or was this necessary at some point with a config that actually worked?
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• 815[05:57:28] <meichthys> I’m quite sure the vlan-aware config was necessary
• 816[05:57:34] <meichthys> it might just be a proxmox thing
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• 818[05:58:29] <jelly> meichthys: I can't find that in documentation on Debian 10 at all
• 819[05:58:41] <meichthys> I think it’s probably added in by proxmox.
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• 822[05:59:07] <jelly> meichthys: is proxmox supposed to work on debian 10? Which debian release is this?
• 823[05:59:16] <meichthys> replaced-url
• 824[05:59:24] <jelly> what's proxmox anyway
• 825[05:59:27] <jelly> !proxmox
• 826[05:59:27] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 827[05:59:27] <meichthys> proxmox i believe is a fork of debian
• 828[05:59:36] <meichthys> proxmox is a hypervisor
• 829[05:59:46] <jelly> if it's derivative distro, you'll have to ask them
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• 831[06:00:20] <meichthys> ok, yeah i’ll have to see if i can ask around. their channel seems to be pretty quiet these days
• 832[06:00:25] <jelly> we don't know what changes they made compared to a plain Debian
• 833[06:00:34] <meichthys> thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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• 835[06:00:49] <motoko-chan> I'm trying to make a package on Debian, but running into an issue where I'm told the original tar doesn't exist. Problem is that the file does exist and exactly matches one of the suggested names.
• 836[06:01:08] <meichthys> I’ll give it a shot without the bridge serttings
• 837[06:02:06] <motoko-chan> I've done some searching, but nothing seems to fit, and the packaging guide claims it should work, mostly.
• 838[06:02:24] <motoko-chan> Is there perhaps an issue with upstream versions like "3.23" instead of "3.2.3"?
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• 840[06:02:29] <jelly> meichthys: note that "VLAN on the Host" configuration on that page specifically uses a different name for the second bridge that does NOT have a . in the iface name
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• 850[06:05:25] <jelly> motoko-chan: showing the failing command, its complete output, debian/rules and debian/control might be better than paraphrasing what goes wrong
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• 853[06:05:38] <motoko-chan> Sure. I'll pastebin that stuff.
• 854[06:05:43] <jelly> !paste
• 855[06:05:44] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 856[06:05:47] <motoko-chan> Just wasn't really sure where to start.
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• 859[06:07:16] <motoko-chan> replaced-url
• 860[06:07:55] <motoko-chan> I'm using an existing debian package as the base, as I'm trying to package a fork. This is just for myself right now, so I'm fine with it being a little messy while I learn.
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• 863[06:08:45] <jelly> motoko-chan: when dpkg-buildpackage says "parent directory" it means parent of the whole tree, so ../.. of debian/
• 864[06:10:02] <jelly> wait, your unpacked directory is also called "debian" instead of the more usual upsteamname-upstreamversion. That's going to be confusing
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• 870[06:11:51] <jelly> motoko-chan: run debuild from unpacked source tree root, not from ./debian/ subdir
• 871[06:12:07] <motoko-chan> Okay, so I need to untar the source?
• 872[06:12:31] <jelly> yes
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• 877[06:14:26] <motoko-chan> But if I don't have a changed source, how does that work? Sorry if I seem stupid, it's just a little confusing.
• 878[06:14:40] <motoko-chan> I'm used to packaging for RPM mainly.
• 879[06:14:42] <jelly> you're making it right now
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• 883[06:15:05] <jelly> unpack the source, put debian/ there, and then run debuild
• 884[06:15:19] <motoko-chan> And then I get the error about the missing orig.
• 885[06:15:42] <jelly> even when you run debuild from the correct dir?
• 886[06:16:03] <jelly> can you show that
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• 888[06:16:45] <motoko-chan> I'm in ~/packages/iroffer-dinoex/iroffer-dinoex-3.32 and I put the debian directory in there. I moved the tar way out of the way, and when I run "debuild -uc -us" same error.
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• 890[06:17:09] <motoko-chan> replaced-url
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• 892[06:17:29] <jelly> motoko-chan: don't put it _way out_, the orig.tar.gz still needs to be in parent of ~/packages/iroffer-dinoex/iroffer-dinoex-3.32
• 893[06:17:44] <motoko-chan> Even if I'm not modifying the source?
• 894[06:17:49] <jelly> so ~/packages/iroffer-dinoex/iroffer-dinoex_3.32.orig.tar.gz
• 895[06:17:51] <jelly> yes
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• 897[06:19:15] <motoko-chan> Okay... Gonna try.
• 898[06:20:13] <motoko-chan> Well, that's working a bit better. I'll keep trying a bit on my own. Thanks for getting me sorted out.
• 899[06:20:38] <jelly> motoko-chan: there's a #packaging channel over on irc.oftc.net if you get stuck. Or if the ultimate goal is to put the package into Debian, there's
• 900[06:20:42] <jelly> !mentors
• 901[06:20:42] <dpkg> mentors is probably the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
• 902[06:20:54] <motoko-chan> I'll look into that.
• 903[06:22:20] <motoko-chan> I'm looking to move from CentOS to Debian, so just trying to get some of the same applications over to make the move. Packaging is the one thing I'm stuck on.
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• 908[06:24:34] <jelly> there's a bit of a learning curve, but if you're dealing with a fork of something that's already packaged you can steal^H^H^H^H^Hlook at their packaging first
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• 912[06:27:06] <motoko-chan> Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Using the iroffer package to make one for iroffer-dinoex.
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• 957[07:02:06] <k_sze> How do I find out if the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf is from DHCP or statically set somewhere? Assuming Debian Jessie.
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• 973[07:16:38] <diogenes_> k_sze, head /etc/resolv.conf also: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
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• 1021[08:12:17] <k_sze> diogenes_, ah ok
• 1022[08:12:24] <k_sze> looks like it's all static for this machine hear.
• 1023[08:12:28] <k_sze> s/hear/here/
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• 1028[08:15:32] <hans_> with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, do all these mean the same thing? replaced-url
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• 1036[08:20:04] <zerocool> howdy yall, if i remove a pv from a vg will lvm automatically move any data into other pv's?
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• 1049[08:31:58] <vlt> zerocool: I'd say you have to pvmove first.
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• 1067[08:48:43] <zerocool> thank you vlt!
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• 1091[09:10:31] <u0_a175> hallo
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• 1093[09:10:42] <u0_a175> hola
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• 1095[09:10:51] <gidna> Hello
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• 1097[09:11:14] <u0_a175> can i ask
• 1098[09:11:18] <gidna> I cannot startxfce with a fresh install of debian 10.1
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• 1101[09:15:47] <BCMM> gidna: what happens when you try?
• 1102[09:16:19] <gidna> BCMM, I've a blank screen
• 1103[09:16:43] <gidna> but I have access to virtual consoles
• 1104[09:16:55] <BCMM> gidna: immediately upon boot? or after you type startxfce?
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• 1107[09:17:26] <gidna> I tried startxfce 'cause boot failed to start visual login
• 1108[09:17:45] <BCMM> in what circumstances did you try that?
• 1109[09:17:51] <BCMM> did you type it in to the VC?
• 1110[09:18:03] <gidna> yesterday I told you I had nvidia 'cause that's was written on the case.. but today I open up the case and found out I have ATI...
• 1111[09:18:16] <gidna> BCMM, yes on the VC
• 1112[09:18:32] <BCMM> and you got the black screen after that?
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• 1116[09:18:45] <gidna> exact
• 1117[09:19:32] <BCMM> gidna: am i right in assuming that you actually typed `startxfce4` rather than `startxfce`?
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• 1119[09:20:17] <gidna> I typed startxfce4 but I think I tried also the latter..
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• 1123[09:23:08] <gidna> Could it be a matter of firmware?
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• 1126[09:25:04] <ratrace> gidna: this is becomming annoying. every few days you come in with the same question and you get support after which you disappear with no feedback, then come back the next day..... Last time you were told to try the amd graphics driver. Did you try that?
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• 1128[09:25:24] <BCMM> gidna: i'm still not clear on what happened exactly. it boots straight to the VC, and when you run startxfce4, you get a black screen?
• 1129[09:25:53] <ratrace> BCMM: last info was they had the wrong driver installed, thinking nvidia was inside, but lspci showed amd
• 1130[09:25:58] <gidna> ratrace, It is extremely complicated 'cause I have only a signle connection... if I have to paste something from the mulfuctioning PC I have to disconnect...
• 1131[09:26:04] <ratrace> gidna: so please continue from that
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• 1133[09:26:40] <ratrace> gidna: even more the reason to compile ALL you did so far and tried so far and were told to do so far, and NOT start from the "I can't startx" scratch
• 1134[09:27:25] <gidna> ratrace, is there a way I can import a pastebin with /etc/apt/sources.list from a pastebin?
• 1135[09:27:41] * ratrace does not compute what was just said
• 1136[09:27:42] <gidna> *to /etc/apt/sources.list sorry
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• 1138[09:28:02] <ratrace> you want to import a pastebin into sources.list?
• 1139[09:28:19] <BCMM> gidna: are you asking about how to post your sources.list to a pastebin?
• 1140[09:28:20] <gidna> I want to copy a pastebin to /etc/apt/sources.list 'cause I couldn't find firmware_amd_graphic package
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• 1142[09:28:33] <gidna> BCMM, no I need the vice versa
• 1143[09:28:35] <BCMM> you want to copy *from* a pastebin to your sources.list?
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• 1145[09:29:00] <ratrace> !info firmware-amd-graphics
• 1146[09:29:06] <dpkg> firmware-amd-graphics: (Binary firmware for AMD/ATI graphics chips), section non-free/kernel, is optional. Version: 20190717-2 (sid), Packaged size: 3508 kB, Installed size: 32069 kB
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• 1150[09:29:19] <BCMM> gidna: just edit it yourself with any text editor. all you need to do to get firmware-amd-graphics is add "non-free" after "main" in that file
• 1151[09:29:28] <BCMM> (and then run apt update of course)
• 1152[09:29:28] <ratrace> gidna: did you enable the non-free repository in your sources.list?
• 1153[09:29:41] <gidna> ratrace, yes
• 1154[09:29:44] <ws2k3> im trying to find out why a upstart service is not starting after boot. when i start it manualy it works just fine. there is also no .log file in /var/log/upstart why advise on how i can further debug this?
• 1155[09:29:56] <ratrace> gidna: and ran update like BCMM just said?
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• 1158[09:30:17] <gidna> I retry today to be 100% sure
• 1159[09:30:37] <ratrace> gidna: can you pastebin your sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy firmware-amd-graphics ?
• 1160[09:32:01] <gidna> ratrace, Is this correct replaced-url
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• 1176[09:38:46] <gidna> is it ok?
• 1177[09:38:47] <ayekat> ws2k3: is that ubuntu or debian?
• 1178[09:38:56] <ratrace> gidna: yes, now, run `apt update` and then `apt install firmware-amd-graphics`
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• 1180[09:39:53] <BCMM> ubuntu doesn't use upstart any more either
• 1181[09:41:28] <gidna> I disconnect to try
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• 1184[09:47:50] <gidna> so I get this as yesterday: replaced-url
• 1185[09:48:05] <gidna> these are my sources: replaced-url
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• 1189[09:51:34] <gidna> I did apt update before trying..
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• 1191[09:52:25] <BCMM> gidna: where is your main debian mirror? i'm seeing buster-updates by no buster.
• 1192[09:52:31] <BCMM> ^but no buster
• 1193[09:52:35] <ratrace> gidna: you're miss..... yeah that.... "deb replaced-url
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• 1196[09:53:07] <BCMM> gidna: have a look at this replaced-url
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• 1202[09:57:15] <gidna> I try again
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• 1227[10:14:23] <Akuw> hi
• 1228[10:14:44] <Akuw> Jessie is still supported, i mean it has updates?
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• 1231[10:16:29] <ratrace> !jessie-lts
• 1232[10:16:29] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
• 1233[10:17:14] <BCMM> Akuw: ordinary support for Jessie has ended. there is LTS, but there are some important caveats to be be aware of if you're going to use that
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• 1235[10:17:30] <Akuw> ok
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• 1237[10:18:23] <BCMM> most importantly, not all packages still receive security support, so if you need to use continue using a release in to LTS, you should make sure you know which if your installed packages will no longer have support
• 1238[10:18:43] <BCMM> jessie LTS is basically a relatively small subset of jessie
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• 1243[10:20:53] <ratrace> which, and more, is explained at the link and sublinks thereof, that the bot posted, for more detail.
• 1244[10:21:48] <akuy> how to fix my terminal auto root #
• 1245[10:22:51] <petn-randall> akuy: What do you mean with that?
• 1246[10:24:20] <akuy> in terminal # not $
• 1247[10:24:35] <akuy> fix please
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• 1250[10:25:54] <BCMM> akuy: is the problem that you're logged in as root, but don't want to be? or is the problem that the shell prompt doesn't look how you'd like it to look?
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• 1253[10:26:55] <estrom> Hi, I am on `4.19.0-6-amd64`, and when I am trying to execute this char device write: replaced-url
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• 1255[10:27:11] <ws2k3> ayekat: ubuntu unfortunately
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• 1257[10:28:41] <akuy> how to login without root
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• 1261[10:30:21] <akuy> p
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• 1265[10:33:22] <gidna> so it was a matter of firmware... I've installed and now everything's ok
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• 1270[10:34:46] <gidna> Why are there all these complications??
• 1271[10:35:55] <petn-randall> gidna: Most firmware is unfortunately non-free, and that is something that Debian cares about.
• 1272[10:36:53] <gidna> what's the best graphic card for linux? that has not such issues?
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• 1276[10:39:57] <BCMM> gidna: also, to be fair, some of these complications are due to you messing up your sources.list
• 1277[10:40:15] <BCMM> but in answer to your question, there isn't really a decent graphics card that doesn't need firmware
• 1278[10:40:32] <BCMM> (i mean, need firmware to use it to its full potential)
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• 1291[10:41:48] <gidna> my laptop mounts an intel card and I haven't such issue on that
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• 1303[10:42:36] <BCMM> gidna: there's firmware available for that
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• 1306[10:42:43] <BCMM> i don't know what functionality is missing iwthout it
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• 1330[10:44:13] <ayekat> ws2k3: even though this is the wrong channel, I would recommend upgrading to a supported version of ubuntu, at least
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• 1348[10:50:10] <beardy> gidna: visudo (editing /etc/sudoers, be careful, and use visudo, you can also manually add your user to the "sudo" group by editing /etc/group)
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• 1350[10:51:14] <ayekat> usermod is the standard (non-debian-specific) way of adding users to groups
• 1351[10:53:04] <gidna> ayekat, bash: usermod: command not found
• 1352[10:53:28] <ayekat> gidna: are you in a root shell?
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• 1354[10:53:37] <ayekat> also, if you are in a root shell, how did you get into it?
• 1355[10:53:39] <gidna> ayekat, yes I am
• 1356[10:53:49] <gidna> ayekat, with su
• 1357[10:53:54] <ayekat> gidna: use `su -l` instead
• 1358[10:54:48] <ayekat> among other things, it (re)sets PATH, so there is also /sbin and /usr/sbin (with the tools you want)
• 1359[10:55:19] <gidna> ayekat, thanks so the programs were installed but it was not my environment..
• 1360[10:55:26] <ayekat> yes
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• 1369[11:01:06] <gidna> have I to log out after adding the user?
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• 1371[11:01:15] <ayekat> gidna: yes
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• 1379[11:05:17] <otyugh> Heya. I'm trying to use privoxy as global proxy. Works quite good, but I have one problem ; apt refuse to look out for packages. It complains about "Unsupported proxy configured: 127.0.0.1://8118" ; what is this about ?
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• 1381[11:05:31] <no_gravity> Hello! How can you see what is in a debian package?
• 1382[11:05:42] <no_gravity> I mean on packages.debian.org
• 1383[11:06:05] <nb-ben> you mean browse all the files?
• 1384[11:06:29] <otyugh> no_gravity, by downloading the source and unziping them, then opening wathever text editor you have ?
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• 1387[11:06:51] <no_gravity> otyugh: Let's see ...
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• 1391[11:07:38] <no_gravity> Wow, there is a ton of stuff in there ...
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• 1395[11:08:35] <nb-ben> no_gravity: worth your money?
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• 1398[11:09:41] <no_gravity> nb-ben: I'm trying to figure out if the php class "ZipArchive" is in the Debian package "php-zip".
• 1399[11:10:17] <nb-ben> I see
• 1400[11:11:00] <nb-ben> I'm not so sure how this all works in PHP, but it may be in a compiled extension if you can't find it as a PHP source file
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• 1402[11:11:31] <no_gravity> nb-ben: I would think it is in this package: replaced-url
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• 1404[11:12:01] <no_gravity> I'm not sure how to download it though.
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• 1407[11:12:22] <nb-ben> yes, you can define PHP classes in C extensions
• 1408[11:12:37] <nb-ben> if you see something like libphpzip.so or something like that, the class might be in there
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• 1411[11:12:46] <no_gravity> Thats my thinking.
• 1412[11:12:56] <no_gravity> But I would prefer to be sure. And see "ZipArchive" in there somewhere.
• 1413[11:13:04] <no_gravity> But how do I download that thingy?
• 1414[11:13:26] <nb-ben> what thingy?
• 1415[11:13:36] <no_gravity> The package called "php-zip".
• 1416[11:13:52] <nb-ben> which dist?
• 1417[11:14:13] <nb-ben> sid, buster, stretch..
• 1418[11:14:17] <no_gravity> I don't care because it will have "ZipArchive" in either no dist or all dists.
• 1419[11:14:21] <no_gravity> Let's take buster.
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• 1421[11:14:55] <humpled> thingy!
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• 1423[11:15:20] <gidna> why is that I cannot : sudo sort -o words words && cp words /usr/share/dict/words -> cp: cannot create regular file '/usr/share/dict/words': Permission denied
• 1424[11:15:28] <nb-ben> no_gravity: replaced-url
• 1425[11:15:43] <no_gravity> nb-ben: Yes, that is the page I am looking at. But how do I download it?
• 1426[11:16:03] <nb-ben> at the right side of the page, there is a section "Download Source Package php-defaults"
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• 1428[11:16:34] <no_gravity> nb-ben: Yes, but that is a different package.
• 1429[11:16:46] <nb-ben> no_gravity: there's also this: replaced-url
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• 1431[11:16:58] <nb-ben> at the bottom of the page there is a list of architectures to download the package for
• 1432[11:17:02] <no_gravity> nb-ben: Yes, same problem. How to download it?
• 1433[11:17:27] <no_gravity> Ahh...
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• 1435[11:17:34] <beardy> gidna: Are you sure you want to do that? The reason anyway is that you do not have permission to create the file, like it says. You need to use sudo to do that. You only do the 'sort' using sudo in that line.
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• 1437[11:17:49] <no_gravity> So now I have a deb file. How do I look into it?
• 1438[11:18:00] <nb-ben> no_gravity: you need to extract it
• 1439[11:18:01] <no_gravity> Ha, it's some kind or archive...
• 1440[11:18:29] <no_gravity> That seems to be a binary blob though.
• 1441[11:18:50] <no_gravity> "zip.so". That doesn't tell me what it does.
• 1442[11:18:52] <gidna> beardy, thanks
• 1443[11:18:54] <no_gravity> I would need the source.
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• 1445[11:19:06] <beardy> no_gravity: 'man dpkg-deb' search for -x or --extract
• 1446[11:19:27] <no_gravity> beardy: But that will only extract the binary.
• 1447[11:19:34] <no_gravity> beardy: I would like to look at the source.
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• 1449[11:19:59] <no_gravity> It seems DEB files do not contain the source code. (Which makes sense).
• 1450[11:20:05] <nb-ben> no_gravity: the sources for php aren't available in a deb package it seems
• 1451[11:20:09] <beardy> no_gravity: If it is an official Debian package there will be a source package.
• 1452[11:20:21] <no_gravity> beardy: But where?
• 1453[11:20:25] <nb-ben> no_gravity: you'll have to look for it in PHP's svc
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• 1455[11:21:09] <no_gravity> nb-ben: The sources are not on debians servers?
• 1456[11:21:37] <nb-ben> maybe they are, but I can't find them without looking harder than I am willing to
• 1457[11:23:12] <no_gravity> So I just did "apt install php-zip" and it's in there.
• 1458[11:23:16] <otyug|-|> no_gravity, you look into the source or the deb installer ?
• 1459[11:23:24] <no_gravity> otyug|-|: How do you mean?
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• 1462[11:24:58] <otyug|-|> ...Oh my.
• 1463[11:25:20] <plantroon> anybody running MariaDB with replication on Debian Stretch? For some reason, the newest version breaks replication, but I need to get this confirmed somehow before I proceed to report/collect more info
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• 1467[11:26:48] <no_gravity> plantroon: Which engine?
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• 1469[11:27:02] <plantroon> no_gravity: innodb
• 1470[11:27:11] <otyugh> (... I'm so sorry, it's hell here ;..;)
• 1471[11:28:06] <plantroon> no_gravity: this is the bug replaced-url
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• 1473[11:28:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1477[11:28:29] <plantroon> yeah :(
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• 1479[11:28:52] <plantroon> I almost upgraded production servers and it would be REALLY bad. Luckily I was testing it before
• 1480[11:29:19] <humpled> luckily?
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• 1484[11:30:31] <plantroon> yep, I heavily rely on stable software being stable and don't remember it going wrong until now. Never had any similar breakage
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• 1486[11:30:45] <plantroon> this isn't a major upgrade so it's strange
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• 1493[11:33:42] <hwdyki> i have a meson source package i'm trying to package with debuild but i need the meson config file is in a sub-dir. how do i write the debian/rules file to deal with this?
• 1494[11:33:43] <beardy> no_gravity: replaced-url
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• 1498[11:34:31] <beardy> no_gravity: or replaced-url
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• 1501[11:35:19] <no_gravity> beardy: Interesting
• 1502[11:35:39] <Funkin-Stoopid> hello
• 1503[11:36:01] <Funkin-Stoopid> what debian is waiting for to upgrade chromium package ?
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• 1505[11:37:16] <no_gravity> beardy: Pretty awesome. Thanks!
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• 1514[11:41:58] <beardy> no_gravity: Also: /msg dpkg source
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• 1516[11:43:42] <no_gravity> beardy: Ok
• 1517[11:43:47] <no_gravity> Thanks. Gotta run now.
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• 1608[12:52:59] <rapha> hi
• 1609[12:53:28] <rapha> are there packages somewhere that will work on a "recent" debian install for libreoffice 5 (not 6)?
• 1610[12:53:36] <rapha> something like "forwardports"?
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• 1620[13:01:16] <rapha> oh nevermind
• 1621[13:01:18] <rapha> found
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• 1628[13:04:14] <free_speech> no idea since I don't even use libreoffice ... I replaced it by AOOO :-)
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• 1631[13:04:42] <rapha> AOOO?
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• 1633[13:05:10] <rapha> and does it render XLSX with LTR & RTL chars in the same cell correctly?
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• 1635[13:05:55] <free_speech> AOOO -> Apache OpenOffice(.org) ... :-)
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• 1638[13:06:05] <rapha> oic
• 1639[13:06:07] <rapha> interesting
• 1640[13:06:11] <rapha> ppl moving back to that
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• 1642[13:06:28] <rapha> technical or ideological reasons?
• 1643[13:06:31] <free_speech> And I didn't yet realize any problems with it though I don't know anything about what's meant by saying LTR & RTL Chars
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• 1647[13:08:40] <rapha> left-to-right and right-to-left
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• 1649[13:09:09] <rapha> e.g. the same cell, say, A1, containing a string that is composed of both english and, i dunno, aramaic characters
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• 1654[13:12:01] <free_speech> "technical or ideological reasons?" <- let's say ideology in first place ... I wanted the original back :-)
• 1655[13:13:01] <rapha> hmm
• 1656[13:13:03] <rapha> interesting
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• 1658[13:13:09] <rapha> i like the new interface much more
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• 1660[13:13:17] <rapha> but that doesn't help if the text rendering is for shit
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• 1662[13:14:24] <rapha> okay
• 1663[13:14:32] <rapha> 5.2.5.1 renders it correctly on windows
• 1664[13:14:34] <rapha> but not on linux
• 1665[13:14:36] <rapha> trying AOOO
• 1666[13:15:17] <gintonyc> hi, i have a server with apt-cacher-ng on Stretch, i want upgrade it to buster. After, i want upgrade my others servers but not at the same moment, it can take several weeks. I read that it's possible to use apt-cacher-ng for stretch and Buster. If my server update both repositories, my others server will be update for stretch or buster according
• 1667[13:15:17] <gintonyc> to the configuration of sources.list or proxy right ? So if i want upgrade another server to buster, i left the actual configuration (use proxy). And if i want another to just have the updates of Stretch, i don't use the proxy and modify the sources.list to point to the server and strech repositories. It's the good way ? Thanks!
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• 1669[13:18:05] <gidna> Is there a difference between drivers for graphic cards and firmware?
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• 1673[13:21:24] <free_speech> iirc, the firmware is stored on a chip or something on the hardware itself ... correct me if I'm wrong
• 1674[13:21:32] <diogenes_> gidna, yes there is, correct me someone if i'm mistaken, a driver is the software (OSS or proprietary) that talks to linux kernel which on its turn talks to the hardware, a firmware is the software that talks directly to the hardware and which is mostly proprietary.
• 1675[13:22:14] <gidna> is the firmware OS dependent?
• 1676[13:23:01] <diogenes_> some yes some no.
• 1677[13:24:19] <gidna> the one I've installed with apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics where Are they stored after the installation?
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• 1681[13:26:47] <free_speech> /lib/firmware/amdgpu/ ; /lib/firmware/r128 and /lib/firmware/radeon/
• 1682[13:27:22] <free_speech> on next time just apt download <package in question>, open the .deb file with your archiver and open the data.tar.xz inside
• 1683[13:28:23] <gidna> what's the file in question? do you mean instead of apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics?
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• 1686[13:29:21] <free_speech> if you wanna know where the files of firmware-amd-graphics will be stored after installation, then yeah - apt download firmware-amd-graphics, open firmware-amd-graphics.deb with your archiver and open the data.tar.xz inside
• 1687[13:30:14] <ratrace> dpkg -L <packagename>
• 1688[13:30:14] <dpkg> No packages found matching <packagename>
• 1689[13:30:15] <humpled> or dpkg -L <package>
• 1690[13:30:20] <humpled> :þ
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• 1692[13:30:42] <free_speech> that I didn't yet know ... people never stop learning I guess :-D
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• 1695[13:32:21] <free_speech> dpkg -L firmware-amd-graphics
• 1696[13:32:21] <dpkg> No packages found matching firmware-amd-graphics
• 1697[13:32:25] <free_speech> okay ...
• 1698[13:32:30] <free_speech> dpkg -L firefox-esr
• 1699[13:32:30] <dpkg> No packages found matching firefox-esr
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• 1701[13:32:48] <free_speech> what does the IRC-bot do?
• 1702[13:32:57] <free_speech> and why is it called dpkg ?
• 1703[13:33:02] <gidna> with dpkg -L firmware-amd-graphics I see a bunch of files...
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• 1705[13:34:30] <gidna> are all related to my card or are present as well firmware of other cards??
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• 1712[13:40:20] <gidna> and the firmware shouldn't reside into the chipset?
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• 1720[13:45:47] <ratrace> gidna: it contains firmware for supported AMD cards, not just your one model. that firmware is loaded on boot, it's not like flashing bios
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• 1722[13:46:34] <gidna> ratrace, is it loaded where?
• 1723[13:47:10] <ratrace> in the kernel
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• 1726[13:51:05] <gidna> ok
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• 1733[13:56:25] <yogg> Hi
• 1734[13:58:10] <yogg> I try to use isc-dhcp-server on debian 10 but the startscript does now also start an ipv6 server. There is no config for ipv6 so the start fails, but the ipv4 version runs. It looks like a bug in the start script for me but maybe I just oversee something
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• 1737[13:59:33] <dvs> yogg, if there isn't an option to only use IPv4, then I'd say it's a bug.
• 1738[14:01:54] <Dagger> INTERFACES_v[46] in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-config?
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• 1740[14:03:08] <yogg> I saw this options, but I need to listen to all interfaces for ipv4 (listen is wrong, I don't want to double configure this)
• 1741[14:04:00] <yogg> In the start file there is no option listen to all but only ipv4
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• 1747[14:07:15] <Dagger> I can't see any sanity checking on those variables, so you could probably just set INTERFACES_v4 to "-4" or some other flag that has no effect
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• 1752[14:10:18] <yogg> these interfaces go to the "start_daemon" function. In line 97 they are sored into the "INTERFACES" variable and then used on line 109-110. The manpage of dhcpd says, if there is nothing all non broadcast interfaces will be used, but if there is something this will be used
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• 1754[14:11:01] <yogg> I also tried it -> INTERFACES_v4="*" -> error message from dhcpd interface "*" does not exist
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• 1756[14:12:38] <fassl> what about =0.0.0.0 ?
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• 1758[14:14:15] <yogg> "No subnet declaration for 0.0.0.0 (no IPv4 addresses)." -> dhcp wants an interface here ^^
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• 1761[14:16:00] <Dagger> and if it's set to "-4"?
• 1762[14:16:15] <fassl> ah yeah then you need to specify the interface that has an ip for that subnet iirc
• 1763[14:17:13] <fassl> *the subnet you want to serve
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• 1765[14:17:55] <yogg> @Dagger this works, but results in a litte unclean ps aux -> "/usr/sbin/dhcpd -4 -q -cf /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf -4"
• 1766[14:18:04] <yogg> i can live with that
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• 1768[14:19:47] <Dagger> the only way around that is going to be to either edit the init script, or disable it and launch dhcpd from a custom init script or some other method
• 1769[14:20:18] <yogg> @fassl yea I could just specify the interfaces here, but I use the setup on many boxes with diferrent configurations. I don't want to do a double configuration here (subnet in dhcpd.conf and interfaces in /etc/defalt/...)
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• 1943[16:48:48] <rapha> (but that's fine, made headway with the problem in general)
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• 2036[18:09:59] <vizzy> hi, i am looking for libpam, like mentioned here i want to install usb stick authentication for testing, but the packages are not available, but the howto seems new. replaced-url
• 2037[18:10:16] <vizzy> any idea where i can find these packages ? i have afresh buster and backports etc enabled
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• 2045[18:14:28] <diogenes_> vizzy, apt search libpam
• 2046[18:14:52] <diogenes_> .i libpam
• 2047[18:15:14] <diogenes_> ,i libpam
• 2048[18:15:15] <judd> No package named 'libpam' was found in buster/amd64.
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• 2050[18:15:34] <vizzy> lots of packages found but NOT libpam_usb
• 2051[18:15:55] <diogenes_> ,v libpam
• 2052[18:15:56] <judd> No package named 'libpam' was found in amd64.
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• 2054[18:16:37] <diogenes_> pamparampam nothing.
• 2055[18:16:52] <vizzy> seems a lot of useful software just silently disappears from debian
• 2056[18:18:53] <vizzy> mmmh, also pamusb seems very old, so i guess its hard to maintain packages for such old software
• 2057[18:19:45] <vizzy> but there seems to be usbauth now.. i will try this one
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• 2059[18:20:10] <Guest79846> I just downloaded a file, .rar, from my google drive, and I can't see it neither in explorer nor using terminal
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• 2061[18:20:30] <Guest79846> tried downloading it again, chrome says it's downloaded, but I still can't see it, nor find it with find
• 2062[18:20:36] <Guest79846> what could have happened?
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• 2067[18:22:09] <Guest79846> oh, in chrome downloads window it says it's at 100% at 0b/sec
• 2068[18:22:19] <Guest79846> meaning it's still downloading, but not really downloading
• 2069[18:22:20] <Guest79846> damn
• 2070[18:22:45] <humpled> what
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• 2080[18:33:04] <jhutchins_wk> Guest79846: Hasn't closed the file yet. There should be a temp file in your download directory, root should be able to see it even if your user can't.
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• 2097[18:40:42] <muAdmDev> anyone used GOsa for LDAP administration and can recommend an alternative?
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• 2122[18:52:22] <jhutchins_wk> muAdmDev: Apache has something for LDAP management.
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• 2124[18:53:12] <jhutchins_wk> The 389 suit ought to have tools.
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• 2128[18:55:04] <muAdmDev> jhutchins_wk: thx, I know Apache DirectoryStudio, nice for browsing and maybe manually editing. but not really replacing GOsa in terms of User and System management
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• 2130[18:56:50] <muAdmDev> jhutchins_wk: now reading up on the "389 directory server" and it's tools
• 2131[18:57:23] <jmcnaught> muAdmDev: there's also fusiondirectory
• 2132[19:00:04] <muAdmDev> jmcnaught: thx
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• 2134[19:01:01] <muAdmDev> jmcnaught: I can't even get there whole website in english... now I got trust issues :)
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• 2137[19:02:31] <jelly> I wonder if this thing still exists
• 2138[19:02:35] <jelly> ,v phpldapadmin
• 2139[19:02:36] <judd> Package: phpldapadmin on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.2-5.2; jessie-security: 1.2.2-5.2+deb8u1; stretch-backports: 1.2.2-6.1~bpo9+1; sid: 1.2.2-6.1
• 2140[19:03:16] <jelly> same exact upstream version from oldoldstable to sid, and no version in stable at all
• 2141[19:03:57] <BCMM> vizzy: they don't disappear "silently". this particularly package was removed because it depends on udisks.
• 2142[19:04:26] <jelly> I'm going with "dead"
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• 2145[19:06:18] <BCMM> vizzy: replaced-url
• 2146[19:06:19] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2151[19:07:09] <jelly> Guest79846: disk full?
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• 2153[19:08:01] <BCMM> you can generally find this stuff out by checking replaced-url
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• 2159[19:11:49] <muAdmDev> jelly: phpldapadmin looks even worse than GOsa, but its last release date is 3 years more current
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• 2161[19:12:08] <jelly> oh dear
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• 2163[19:12:26] <vizzy> BCMM, did a lot searching now, seems udisk1 is removed and this is the reason as the source is unmaintained. but some guys managed to port it to udisk2 and get it running, despite the fact they didnt release the source for the new fork. old source still compiles but binaries relay on udisk1. unfortunately this caused a lot of trouble for people that did an dist-upgrade and relay on that, ouch.
• 2164[19:13:01] <vizzy> i NEVER do dist-upgrades exactly for taht reason, as noone ever compares the list of removed and new installed packages ;-)
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• 2166[19:14:17] <vizzy> reading through all changes and understand maybe the own dependencie on weird named packages where you never would except you needed them ;) would take ... 2 new stable releases of time *g
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• 2174[19:15:14] <BCMM> vizzy: the only way dist-upgrade would have removed that is if you weren't running stable, or were upgrading between stable releases
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• 2176[19:15:28] <BCMM> (both situations where breakage is expected)
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• 2181[19:18:37] <lowin> I noticed openrc is in debian's repository. The wiki page is very brief. How does it fare in debian? Do I need to write my own service files for it or something?
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• 2184[19:19:27] <greycat> ,popcon openrc
• 2185[19:19:28] <judd> Popcon data for openrc: inst: 89, vote: 41, old: 46, recent: 2, nofiles: 0
• 2186[19:19:48] <lowin> Awesome
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• 2189[19:21:29] <greycat> So, approximately 40-50 popularity-contest participants have tried it, worldwide.
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• 2192[19:22:48] <BCMM> i would imagine that most of the alternative init users have gone to devuan
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• 2198[19:25:06] <lowin> I guess I could solve my problems with systemd -.-
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• 2200[19:26:30] <lowin> I have 3 problems right now. First, it tries to unlock my drives from crypttab simultaneously, forcing me to retype the password for each partition even though they share the same password
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• 2204[19:27:13] <lowin> Then there is networking script failing with "RTNETLINK answers: File exists"
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• 2207[19:28:12] <lowin> and last, every time I shutdown/reboot I get a "stop job running for session 2 of user xxx..." message, wasting 90 seconds before it times out
• 2208[19:28:31] <lowin> Any idea for any of these?
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• 2215[19:30:07] <vizzy> BCMM, not running stable, or upgrade stable.... what other possibilities would i have ?
• 2216[19:30:45] <regdude> HI! Some app in Debian keeps sending NTP packets to random NTP Servers even though I changed config in timesynctl. Has anyone got any ideas how to find what is sending it? netstat is not able to even pick up those packets
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• 2221[19:31:08] <greycat> regdude: ps -ef | grep -E 'ntp|chrony'
• 2222[19:31:26] <vizzy> ok, i am used to run linux for decades if there is no urgent need to upgrade, but anayway, sometimes i/we relay on some functionality - and then it gets removed....
• 2223[19:31:35] <vizzy> (maybe for good reasons)
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• 2226[19:32:24] <greycat> regdude: also, the tail end of the systemd-timesyncd unit file tells me there's a thing called "VBoxService" that could also be related
• 2227[19:32:28] <regdude> greycat: thanks! It might be chrony
• 2228[19:32:50] <greycat> if chrony, ntp, openntpd, or this VBox-thing is installed, systemd-timesyncd doesn't run
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• 2240[19:40:50] <BCMM> vizzy: debian is not suitable for running for a decade without upgrading, unless you basically aren't connected to the internet at all
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• 2243[19:41:25] <vizzy> BCMM, true words. nothing is.
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• 2246[19:46:41] <lowin> Tried to install sysvinit-core but it wants to uninstall half the system, for what I assume is systemd dependency
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• 2248[19:48:16] <greycat> That's unusual. Or at least very different from what I see with "apt-get -s install sysvinit-core".
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• 2250[19:48:55] <greycat> If it's about systemd-login you might need to install something... I forget the name... elogind?
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• 2253[19:49:20] <greycat> ,info elogind
• 2254[19:49:22] <judd> Package elogind (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: user, seat and session management daemon. Version: 239.3+20190131-1+debian1; Size: 601.1k; Installed: 1830k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2256[19:50:01] <lowin> I dunno what it's about. I'm running xfce, lightdm doesn't require logind afaik
• 2257[19:50:49] <greycat> if you try "apt-get install elogind sysvinit-core", does that seem better, or worse?
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• 2260[19:52:06] <lowin> lightdm, udisks2, policykit are still removed
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• 2265[19:54:21] <greycat> hmm, lightdm depends on something called "logind" which is purely virtual, and is provided by either libpam-systemd or libpam-elogind
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• 2267[19:54:59] <greycat> "logind | consolekit" actually. and if there's some other reason lightdm would be removed, I'm not immediately seeing it
• 2268[19:55:17] <lowin> I give up
• 2269[19:55:33] <antto> wat, is lightdm getting removed from debian?!
• 2270[19:55:39] <greycat> No.
• 2271[19:55:44] <antto> oh, k
• 2272[19:56:13] <greycat> lowin is trying to install sysvinit-core and claims that "half the system" wants to be removed
• 2273[19:57:22] <lowin> Well the main reason for that is task-xfce-desktop wants to be removed which pulls everything else.
• 2274[19:57:36] <greycat> removing a task-* should be utterly harmless
• 2275[19:57:48] <greycat> you aren't using autoremove, are you?!
• 2276[19:57:48] <lowin> ofcourse
• 2277[19:57:55] <lowin> not immediately
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• 2279[19:58:21] <lowin> but every time you run apt you get a message the following packages are unneeded blah blah blah
• 2280[19:58:25] <lowin> anyway
• 2281[19:58:38] <greycat> I disable autoremove. I disable that *capability* entirely. I despise it.
• 2282[19:58:55] <lowin> I just need to fix my shutdown and networking service problem and then I can live with systemd, hopefully
• 2283[19:58:57] <greycat> I wrote a file that marks every package as ineligible for autoremove, and now it never tries it.
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• 2287[20:00:20] <lowin> Something brings up my interface during boot before networking service, which causes ifup to fail
• 2288[20:01:03] <lowin> avahi-daemon[1050]: "Joining mDNS multicast group on interface eth0.IPv4 with address 192.168.0.2." <== before networking service is launched
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• 2291[20:02:28] <lowin> Why is avahi even started before networking? shouldn't it depend on networking?
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• 2293[20:03:44] <greycat> avahi-daemon.service does not appear to have any After= lines
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• 2296[20:05:16] <lowin> But how do I catch the culprit that brings up the interface before networking
• 2297[20:05:44] <lowin> I suppose I can try disabling avahi and give it a try
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• 2300[20:06:35] <lowin> brb
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• 2304[20:08:28] <lowin> nope. that wasn't it
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• 2323[20:18:33] <bouba> hi, debian buster and virtualbox work or not (work refer to virtualbox)
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• 2326[20:19:17] <lowin> I think I messed up my system when I installed sysvinit-core and went back to systemd
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• 2328[20:19:51] <lowin> I try to disable avahi-daemon with systemctl disable avahi-daemon but it launches again at boot
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• 2330[20:20:05] <greycat> buster is still pretty young, and I haven't heard too many stories of people attempting init system migrations on buster yet
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• 2333[20:20:28] <lowin> Yeah I already gave up on alternative init systems
• 2334[20:20:53] <lowin> just want to fix my damn networking service that is driving me crazy
• 2335[20:21:06] <jmcnaught> lowin: you probably need to disable avahi-daemon.socket as well
• 2336[20:21:13] <jmcnaught> lowin: is your network connected once you boot, or do you have to do something to connect it? What's in your /etc/network/interfaces{,.d/*}?
• 2337[20:21:49] <lowin> jmcnaught, It's already connected, something brings it up before networking service
• 2338[20:22:21] <greycat> did you create any /etc/systemd/network/*.link files?
• 2339[20:22:36] <lowin> nope
• 2340[20:22:43] <lowin> here is my interface file: replaced-url
• 2341[20:23:10] <greycat> well, that's where your 192.168.0.2 is coming from
• 2342[20:23:52] <lowin> Yeah, it's like something is specifically reading interface file to configure interface before networking service
• 2343[20:23:58] <greycat> what makes you think that avahi-daemon is running "before networking", when it's using the IP address that clearly came from your own networking config?
• 2344[20:24:29] <lowin> It drops logs in journalctl before ifup
• 2345[20:24:41] <greycat> is... that a problem for some reason?
• 2346[20:25:10] <lowin> It made me think interface is already up at that point
• 2347[20:25:20] <lowin> I dunno
• 2348[20:25:37] <lowin> ifup clearly fails because eth0 is already up
• 2349[20:25:51] <lowin> "file exists" refers to the ip address it is trying to set
• 2350[20:26:07] <greycat> what is the actual problem you are trying to solve?
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• 2352[20:26:49] <lowin> My post-up script on eth0 never runs and eth0.3 isn't configured at boot
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• 2354[20:27:36] <greycat> your post-up is commented out (except in the inet6 stanza, about which I know nothing), and I'm not sure if "auto eth0.3" still works in current releases...
• 2355[20:28:19] <lowin> It works fine if I run ifup eth0 --ignore-errors
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• 2358[20:29:18] <greycat> with a colon instead of a dot, "eth0:3" would qualify for replaced-url
• 2359[20:29:18] <lowin> I could modify the networking.service to pass --ignore-errors to ifup
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• 2363[20:30:43] <lowin> huh
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• 2366[20:31:27] <lowin> I always did it like this..
• 2367[20:32:08] <greycat> Near as I can tell, under iproute2 there *isn't* any officially supported, clean, reliable way to assign multiple addresses to an interface any more. :(
• 2368[20:32:15] <lowin> but still, that's not the issue I'm facing here, i have commented out eth0.3 section before but it still fails to bring up eth0
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• 2371[20:34:32] <lowin> I'll just override networking .service to provide --ignore-errors to ifup
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• 2373[20:35:22] <lowin> I should just replace the /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/networking.service link, right?
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• 2375[20:36:06] <greycat> My understanding: the correct way would be to mkdir -p /etc/systemd/system/networking.service.d; and then create a file whose name ends with .conf inside that directory, with *just* the lines you want to override.
• 2376[20:36:29] <greycat> If you're overriding an ExecStart= then you need two lines. The first is ExecStart= and the second is ExecStart=/whatever.
• 2377[20:36:37] <lowin> so complicated ..
• 2378[20:36:51] <greycat> The blank one means "clear out the previous entries", because if you don't do that, just having ExecStart=/whatever ADDS another command to be executed to the list of commands.
• 2379[20:37:51] <greycat> because apparently systemd thought it would be useful to allow multiple ExecStart=/foo lines to reinvent the shell script without a shell
• 2380[20:38:13] <lowin> amazing
• 2381[20:38:47] <lowin> The thought of ExecStart=/myscript.sh didn't hit their minds?
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• 2383[20:39:20] <ratrace> you can still do it. multiple ExecStart has its uses.
• 2384[20:39:36] <lowin> Alright. hopefully that's fixed on next reboot
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• 2386[20:39:42] <lowin> now onto my other problem
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• 2391[20:40:15] <lowin> At reboot, systemd freezed for 90 seconds "stop job is running for session 2 of user xxx..."
• 2392[20:40:17] <greycat> I suspect you haven't actually solved whatever the underlying issue is that's causing your eth0* interfaces not to come up correctly, but good luck.
• 2393[20:40:20] <lowin> freezes*
• 2394[20:40:36] <lowin> greycat, ofcourse
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• 2397[20:41:21] <festerjester> Hello all! Anyone willing to accept a challenge? I am trying to install Debian on a device with serial port console and no video whatsoever. How can I get to the grub menu for starters?
• 2398[20:41:21] <lowin> But what else can I do
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• 2401[20:42:31] <lowin> festerjester, run a custom grub configured to output to serial console and launch debian installer from there
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• 2405[20:44:32] <lowin> My next problem is due to the network namespace I use for my eth0.3 interface. It count's as "session 2" for my user as far as systemd is concerned and it won't stop networking service before trying to shut it down. but it can't shut it down so it waits for 90 seconds to time out
• 2406[20:44:34] <karlpinc> festerjester: Should be instructions in the installation manual, although I could be wrong.
• 2407[20:44:35] <lowin> anyway to fix this?
• 2408[20:44:56] <festerjester> I wrote the debian net install iso to usb, but its a read only filesystem, can't edit grub. Unless I wrote the iso to usb wrong
• 2409[20:45:01] <karlpinc> festerjester: I tend to PXE boot in that case, but I've forgotten all the details.
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• 2412[20:46:06] <karlpinc> festerjester: There might be a way to type "blind" into grub to enable serial output.
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• 2414[20:47:09] <jhutchins_wk> festerjester: What sort of a device is it?
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• 2417[20:48:21] <festerjester> its a riverbed steelhead 550
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• 2435[21:03:32] <jhutchins_wk> Interesting. What will you use the system for?
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• 2440[21:05:15] <jhutchins_wk> I'll bet they don't do an installation of the stock software, they probably have a built image that they load on the drive, then drop the drive into the box.
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• 2442[21:11:26] <festerjester> I managed to get slax up and running on it
• 2443[21:11:56] <festerjester> it has a 2GB USB DOM that it uses as a boot device
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• 2454[21:20:14] <CpAj0> i have a problem in debian with lxde, if i change the wallpaper after reboot it will set the default one. Also with the font
• 2455[21:20:49] <nvz> CpAj0: are you running a live media?
• 2456[21:21:19] <CpAj0> nvz, no
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• 2461[21:26:12] <CpAj0> maybe a java package is the problem? because this happened after uninstall some java packages
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• 2463[21:28:10] <nvz> CpAj0: I am unable to reproduce such an issue
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• 2465[21:29:10] <defecater> have any of you ever taken a shit in a urinal?
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• 2472[21:31:24] <nvz> CpAj0: (apt policy;dpkg -l;cat /var/log/apt/history.log|tail -n 20) | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 2480[21:34:40] <linearain> hi, for some reason transmission-daemon ignores settings.json in /home/name/.config/transmission-daemon but reads it from /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info, whats going on?
• 2481[21:35:15] <linearain> no big problem just wondering. Latest debian i686
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• 2485[21:36:04] <pussylicker> please help. install freezes on this unintelligable nonsense screen replaced-url
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• 2487[21:36:55] <greycat> I'm ... not going to click that. Not from work.
• 2488[21:37:39] <linearain> its a female genitalia, go away noob
• 2489[21:37:57] <Posterdati> hi
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• 2491[21:38:17] <sevagh> i'm trying to track down some strange behavior with `irqbalance`. on Stretch hosts, it seems to be putting all of the eth interrupts on CPU0. on non-stretch, it's balancing interrupts across 2 CPUs. has something happened that's making irqbalance not work anymore? there's this: replaced-url
• 2492[21:38:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2493[21:38:18] <pussylicker> linearain: don't spoil the surprise you putz
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• 2495[21:39:15] <linearain> oh shit
• 2496[21:39:17] <linearain> wrong channel
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• 2499[21:39:51] <Posterdati> please I have problem with the kde update application on buster. It segfaults during updates listing...
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• 2502[21:40:12] <CpAj0> nvz, thanks for your help but i can't post the log on the net because will reveal personal information
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• 2519[21:48:22] <annadane> Posterdati, that's unfortunate but you can always run package updates from the command line in the meantime
• 2520[21:48:36] <annadane> i assume "kde update" is just a way to notify you of system-wide updates generally
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• 2523[21:49:38] <annadane> most important update notifications are gotten by subscribing to the debian-announce and debian-security-announce mailing lists
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• 2533[21:56:25] <somiaj> on stable you could just enable unattened-upgrades and all security updates will be applied automatically
• 2534[21:57:10] <annadane> and also stable-updates as of debian 10 AFAIK
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• 2543[22:02:17] <free_speech> is there a difference whether I use apt upgrade or apt dist-upgrade?
• 2544[22:02:39] <greycat> dist-upgrade will remove packages if necessary to upgrade other packages
• 2545[22:03:57] <somiaj> free_speech: in stable no
• 2546[22:04:22] <somiaj> well in stable usally no, I guess stretch had a point release that had to remove a package causing a dist-upgrade to be required.
• 2547[22:04:29] <somiaj> but in stable, upgrade should be fine and all you need
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• 2561[22:18:22] <linuxn00b> you have been trolled by geeknerd
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• 2563[22:19:05] <greycat> should we fill out a survey to rate the trolling?
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• 2568[22:20:53] <linuxn00b> no thanks
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• 2571[22:23:08] <festerjester> Anyone know where I can download the Network boot files? The ones for PXE booting. The link on the official debian site doesn't have any for some reason.
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• 2576[22:26:06] <somiaj> festerjester: they should be there, but look for the netboot image
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• 2581[22:26:32] <karlpinc> festerjester: See replaced-url
• 2582[22:27:08] <karlpinc> festerjester: The wiki provides debugging steps so you know what you failed to setup properly.
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• 2589[22:27:40] <festerjester> Oh, I had to open the MANIFEST file to find the final download links
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• 2593[22:28:47] <charking> Hello. I have a Debian VM in the cloud. I'd like to send email from it. Is it possible to do without using an SMTP server with username/password credentials?
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• 2595[22:29:04] <charking> Is it possible to configure to just send email via the cloud provider without authentication?
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• 2598[22:29:29] <karlpinc> festerjester: Sorta. The Studenten Net Twente mirror interface apparently sucks. The directories are listed on the left, not with the files, so you can't tell what's what.
• 2599[22:29:42] <festerjester> Depends on if your cloud provider allows it.
• 2600[22:29:50] <karlpinc> charking: Depends on your cloud provider.
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• 2604[22:30:18] <festerjester> Most cloud providers require authentication for security reasons
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• 2606[22:30:37] <charking> OK, thanks, I'll try to find out. Gandi is the provider
• 2607[22:31:09] <jelly> charking: almost noone will let you use smtp without auth these days.
• 2608[22:31:39] <charking> Should the SMTP credentials go in the application or would they go in exim4? I'm unexperienced with MTAs.
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• 2611[22:32:01] <charking> I think I should put them in exim4 so emails from different applications will all be sent?
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• 2613[22:32:07] <charking> (default-mta)
• 2614[22:32:08] <festerjester> karlpinc: Yeah I realized that after I used the MANIFEST file to guess the links and downloaded the needed files.
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• 2616[22:32:21] <jelly> charking: it goes into the piece of software that talks to your mail provider's submission/smtps service
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• 2619[22:33:28] <jelly> exim4 might be overkill but there's probably a howto or three on how to configure it to, say, send via gmail
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• 2621[22:34:13] <charking> I was thinking of using exim4 because multiple applications on the system need to send mail. Is that reasonable? Or is that not what exim4 is for?
• 2622[22:34:27] <greycat> that's precisely what it's for
• 2623[22:34:28] <charking> I just installed default-mta and it was exim4
• 2624[22:34:44] <charking> OK, thanks, this is making more sense :)
• 2625[22:34:55] <mns> charking: are you just going to use it for sending email to your ISPs smart-smtp host ?
• 2626[22:35:12] <jelly> msmtp-mta might be simpler to set up
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• 2628[22:35:14] <mns> or are you also going to be receiving email via exim4 ?
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• 2631[22:35:52] <mns> yeah what jelly said.
• 2632[22:35:53] <charking> mns: I don't know what smart-smtp is. They have an smtp server and I was planning to just give it a username/password
• 2633[22:35:55] <jelly> or dma
• 2634[22:36:09] <charking> I'll look up smart smtp
• 2635[22:36:10] <jelly> or some other null-mailer
• 2636[22:36:13] * karlpinc likes using postfix for an MTA because it does everything and does simple things pretty well and I don't feel the need to learn everything about everything
• 2637[22:36:41] <greycat> charking: "smart host" refers to a computer that handles your mail for you. Exactly like "my ISP has a mail host and I have to authenticate with a username and password to use it".
• 2638[22:36:57] <jelly> charking: "smarthost" is old school, Sendmail slang for "server providing SMTP service to customers to send mail"
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• 2640[22:37:27] <charking> got it, OK
• 2641[22:37:32] <karlpinc> Don't most of the MTAs allow a sort of "easy" setup for smart relay upon installation, and reconfiguration via dpkg-reconfigure?
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• 2643[22:37:58] <charking> I'll try that & check out the simpler MTAs
• 2644[22:38:00] <greycat> The basic idea was that your network of computers at your university/workplace are mostly "dumb", in the sense that they can't deliver mail generally. Instead, they all submit outgoing mail to a central "smart" computer that knows how to deal with it.
• 2645[22:38:02] <jelly> karlpinc: the "easy" setup does not manage smtp auth and tls.
• 2646[22:38:19] <karlpinc> jelly: Ok.
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• 2649[22:38:34] <jelly> at least not in postfix or exim4-daemon-light packaging it doesn't
• 2650[22:38:42] <karlpinc> tls -- always something
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• 2661[22:42:50] <jelly> s_: problems?
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• 2663[22:43:24] <jhutchins_wk> Another sense of the "smart" host is that it knows to take mail from jhutchins@mymysqlserver and make it nice and neat so it looks like it comes from jonathan.hutchins@egov.com and so replies come back to my actual inbox.
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• 2665[22:43:58] <greycat> A smarthost typically does NOT rewrite the contents.
• 2666[22:44:20] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Only the address.
• 2667[22:44:22] <jelly> that's not what smarthosts should do (and apps should send mail with correct envelope and From)
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• 2669[22:44:47] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: it's a rather deprecated feat
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• 2671[22:45:09] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, well, I'm a bit deprecated myself. Some of them do act as gateways.
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• 2674[22:45:55] <jelly> I guess there might be legacy apps and servers one just cannot touch
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• 2677[22:46:55] <jelly> but for the last 5-10 years I've been shushing devs to make their code use an actual existing address and not rely on username@fqdn
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• 2679[22:48:44] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Yeah, and it should be in a config file, not in the code.
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• 2681[22:49:13] <jelly> maybe, but that part's Not My Problem™
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• 2701[22:59:06] <xtc_> AR kernel/built-in.a
• 2702[22:59:06] <xtc_> make[2]: *** [debian/rules:4: build] Error 2
• 2703[22:59:06] <xtc_> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build subprocess returned exit status 2
• 2704[22:59:06] <xtc_> make[1]: *** [scripts/package/Makefile:75: deb-pkg] Error 2
• 2705[22:59:06] <xtc_> make: *** [Makefile:1374: deb-pkg] Error 2
• 2706[22:59:07] *** xtc_ was kicked by debhelper (flood)
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• 2711[22:59:29] <xtc_> i have issues compiling kernel from source
• 2712[22:59:44] <xtc_> on 10.1
• 2713[22:59:47] <xtc_> see above
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• 2716[23:00:00] <nvz> all we see above is a few useless lines of output
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• 2719[23:00:35] <nvz> those are errors from the shell due to an error somewhere in the build process, they are not the actual error
• 2720[23:00:54] <nahra> Hello. Is running vpn over bonding possible? I mean witrh fault tolerance.
• 2721[23:01:46] <xtc_> replaced-url
• 2722[23:01:55] <xtc_> how to find out?
• 2723[23:02:38] <xtc_> i followed the default instructions
• 2724[23:03:00] <nvz> the "default instructions" ?
• 2725[23:03:28] <nvz> that paste also doesn't contain any relevant information
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• 2728[23:03:52] <xtc_> replaced-url
• 2729[23:04:29] <nvz> @.@
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• 2732[23:05:31] <xtc_> let me compile again
• 2733[23:05:35] <xtc_> then i get the error in the log
• 2734[23:05:41] <xtc_> hopefully
• 2735[23:05:52] <nvz> maybe you should start from the beginning
• 2736[23:06:02] <xtc_> i start with distclean xD
• 2737[23:06:08] <nvz> first re-evaluate the reason you're compiling in the first place
• 2738[23:06:17] <nvz> then move on to documentation from within the last 5 years
• 2739[23:06:20] <xtc_> i want to turn of module signing
• 2740[23:06:31] <xtc_> i cant disable it via kernel parameter
• 2741[23:06:47] <nvz> but you can probably do it without compiling
• 2742[23:06:48] <xtc_> i have a kernel module without signature
• 2743[23:06:58] <nvz> but you didn't ask that simple question, did you? :P
• 2744[23:07:06] <xtc_> how?
• 2745[23:07:41] <xtc_> CONFIG_MODULE_SIG
• 2746[23:07:41] <nvz> pretty sure we have kernels without signing
• 2747[23:07:45] <xtc_> want to disable that
• 2748[23:07:47] <nvz> let me check
• 2749[23:08:08] <xtc_> it causes bug xD
• 2750[23:08:15] <xtc_> when i modprobe it
• 2751[23:08:21] <xtc_> i have to do it 2 times until it works
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• 2755[23:09:49] <jelly> nvz: there's both signed and unsigned kernels.
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• 2757[23:10:11] <nvz> jelly: I know that.. but I'm verifying that this addresses the underlying issue
• 2758[23:10:27] <xtc_> replaced-url
• 2759[23:10:34] <xtc_> now with error from shell
• 2760[23:10:38] <nvz> swapping out the kernel in a vm now to see
• 2761[23:10:55] <xtc_> i mean i did compile kernels quite often but that never happened before
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• 2763[23:11:02] <xtc_> started with buster xD
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• 2766[23:11:40] <xtc_> make kpkg is obsolete
• 2767[23:11:45] <xtc_> but that did work always
• 2768[23:11:58] <nvz> jelly: looks to me like both have the exact same signing options configured
• 2769[23:11:59] <xtc_> the new deb-pkg just failed instantly
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• 2771[23:12:35] <xtc_> no one did kernel with that disabled as .deb?
• 2772[23:13:02] <jelly> ,i linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64-unsigned
• 2773[23:13:03] <judd> Package linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64-unsigned (kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs. Version: 4.19.67-2; Size: 45824.0k; Installed: 260943k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2776[23:13:41] <nvz> yes well grep MODULE
• 2777[23:13:49] <xtc_> linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs
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• 2779[23:13:55] <xtc_> that one is without?
• 2780[23:14:01] <nvz> yes well grep MODULE_SIG on both yeilds the same results
• 2781[23:14:06] <jelly> -5- is also old.
• 2782[23:14:07] <nvz> and CONFIG
• 2783[23:14:11] <nvz> and CONFIG_MODULE
• 2784[23:14:14] <xtc_> so the feature is still enabled?
• 2785[23:14:33] <nvz> and CONFIG_MODULE_SIG does not REQUIRE signed modules,it merely allows for them
• 2786[23:14:43] <xtc_> i see
• 2787[23:14:51] <nvz> the options that would require signed modules are disabled in all debian kernels
• 2788[23:15:06] <xtc_> i just want to have it disabled in general
• 2789[23:15:27] <xtc_> so when i load kernel module it works
• 2790[23:15:30] <xtc_> and no warning
• 2791[23:15:33] <xtc_> or whatever
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• 2793[23:15:58] <nvz> when you try load a signed module its not gonna work :P
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• 2795[23:16:14] <xtc_> i see
• 2796[23:16:21] <xtc_> well the module works now
• 2797[23:16:24] <xtc_> with default kernel
• 2798[23:16:30] <xtc_> but i want to get rid of the bug
• 2799[23:16:38] <jelly> nope, CONFIG_MODULE_SIG=y even there
• 2800[23:16:58] <nvz> replaced-url
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• 2802[23:17:08] <xtc_> i dont want to sign it xD
• 2803[23:17:43] <xtc_> and i wouldnt know the debian public key
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• 2805[23:18:13] <xtc_> i just want a system that works
• 2806[23:18:17] <xtc_> no sig
• 2807[23:18:37] <xtc_> so how can we fix this kernel compile? xD
• 2808[23:18:39] <jelly> seeing as dkms works on buster, I'd say modules can be built to work
• 2809[23:18:51] <nvz> If CONFIG_MODULE_SIG_FORCE is enabled or module.sig_enforce=1 is supplied on the kernel command line, the kernel will only load validly signed modules for which it has a public key. Otherwise, it will also load modules that are unsigned. Any module for which the kernel has a key, but which proves to have a signature mismatch will not be permitted to load.
• 2810[23:18:56] <xtc_> its not dkms
• 2811[23:18:59] <xtc_> very low level
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• 2814[23:19:31] <nvz> so the kernel already supportsloading unsigned modules
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• 2818[23:19:56] <xtc_> yes
• 2819[23:19:59] <xtc_> i said it works
• 2820[23:20:04] <xtc_> but only when i load it 2 times
• 2821[23:20:14] <jelly> weird
• 2822[23:20:23] <xtc_> some warning about not signed
• 2823[23:20:31] <xtc_> i dont have the message atm xD
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• 2827[23:20:55] <xtc_> so want to get rid of the routines checking
• 2828[23:20:59] <xtc_> for signatures at all
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• 2832[23:21:54] <xtc_> so lets get back to compile kernel
• 2833[23:21:55] <xtc_> xD
• 2834[23:22:51] <xtc_> make -j(nproc) deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-1312 KDEB_PKGVERSION=(make kernelversion)-1 | tee ../kernel-build.log
• 2835[23:22:54] <xtc_> thats what i use
• 2836[23:23:12] <xtc_> stops after xfs
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• 2838[23:23:26] <xtc_> i only disabled security and kernel module signing
• 2839[23:24:58] <DerekBum> hello, I used apt install task-lxde-desktop and task-xfce-desktop to install those DE but now I want to completely remove them with all their dependencies, of course trying to remove task-lxde-desktop, etc doesn't remove everything so I'd like to know if there is a clean way to do it
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• 2841[23:25:21] <nvz> DerekBum: apt autoremove task-lxde-desktop
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• 2844[23:25:39] <asterisco> in debian buster after some minutes the sistem hibernate
• 2845[23:25:47] <asterisco> how can i resolve this problem?
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• 2847[23:26:06] <nvz> asterisco: which DE are you using?
• 2848[23:26:07] <DerekBum> nvz: it says it will only remove 2 packages
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• 2851[23:26:31] <asterisco> lightde i supose
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• 2853[23:26:48] <asterisco> but is a remote pc
• 2854[23:27:00] <asterisco> i don't need a DE
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• 2856[23:27:37] <nvz> then check the logs
• 2857[23:27:44] <asterisco> what log?
• 2858[23:27:57] <nvz> journalctl?
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• 2860[23:28:55] <nvz> should give some clue as to what is hibernating the system..though you may need to enable persistent logging
• 2861[23:29:46] <xtc_> again :/
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• 2864[23:29:49] <xtc_> what should i do
• 2865[23:29:52] <nvz> power management can be done in any number of places, and you apparently haven't got the slightest clue what you're running
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• 2867[23:30:42] <nvz> cause there is no such thing as lightde
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• 2870[23:31:32] <xtc_> lightdm
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• 2874[23:31:51] <nvz> and I'm not going to guess out of all the hardware in the world that does PM and all among the 55,000+ packages of debian that do PM, which is at issue here
• 2875[23:32:12] <xtc_> does the kernel source require some none-free?
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• 2877[23:32:20] <nvz> lightdm is not a DE, is used as the DM for several DE, and in none of them does it provide power management
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• 2880[23:32:36] <xtc_> i use fish
• 2881[23:32:37] <xtc_> xD
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• 2883[23:32:52] <xtc_> without desktop
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• 2885[23:33:58] <asterisco> nvx xfce4 probably
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• 2887[23:34:13] <xtc_> so no one tried to compile kernel on buster?
• 2888[23:34:16] <xtc_> am i the only one
• 2889[23:34:16] <xtc_> :P
• 2890[23:34:31] <vizzy> anyone here who has a working udev rule that works when removing an usb drive/stick? i try since hours now, but it seems nothing works for ude action=remove ..... seems lots of people have same pronblem, but common solutions wont work, even unbind doesnt execute my run command for udev, but add works, i use beep and wall for testing
• 2891[23:34:33] <joepublic> I have compiled lots of kernels on buster
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• 2893[23:34:41] <vizzy> (using buster)
• 2894[23:34:46] <nvz> nobody wants to help you with an unspecified error caused by you compling a kernel due to an unspecified error
• 2895[23:35:15] <nvz> nobody likes PICNICs
• 2896[23:35:33] <xtc_> what
• 2897[23:35:44] <xtc_> joepublic: am i doing it wrong?
• 2898[23:36:09] <nvz> you've been doing everything wrong from the beginning
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• 2901[23:36:51] <xtc_> where exactly?
• 2902[23:37:07] <nvz> the documentation you referenced is way outdated for the proceedure you're doing..the proceedure you're doing is dangerous and unnecessary, you spent no time at all evaluating the need for whichevermodule is causing you issues, or debugging THAT problem
• 2903[23:37:08] <xtc_> it starts compiling
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• 2905[23:37:22] <joepublic> I dunno, haven't been paying attention. But what I did is roughly, install build-essential and the build-deps for a recent kernel, get the kernel sources, make (some kind of config), then make deb-pkg
• 2906[23:37:24] <xtc_> the old method doesnt work anymore
• 2907[23:37:42] <xtc_> fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-rori" --revision "1" --us --uc --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers
• 2908[23:37:44] <xtc_> that is gone
• 2909[23:37:46] <xtc_> thx debian
• 2910[23:37:56] <xtc_> and that always worked
• 2911[23:38:02] <nvz> because debian packaging has been mainlined
• 2912[23:38:03] <joepublic> yeah I don't think make-kpkg has worked in a while.
• 2913[23:38:16] <xtc_> so where is the new proper manual?
• 2914[23:38:27] <vizzy> a lot of stuff has stopped working, but not debians fault
• 2915[23:38:31] <xtc_> make deb-pkg is failing
• 2916[23:38:37] <xtc_> :P
• 2917[23:38:44] <xtc_> i got 5.3.2 src same issue
• 2918[23:38:46] <joepublic> what I posted above is a pretty good manual.
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• 2920[23:39:14] <vizzy> thanks to udev, systemd, pulse and that modern sh......iny new stuff
• 2921[23:39:22] <xtc_> kernel-package is not there anymore thats why
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• 2923[23:39:50] <nvz> replaced-url
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• 2925[23:40:21] <joepublic> the makefile in the kernel sources contains a deb-pkg target; that's not even a debian thing
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• 2927[23:40:38] <karlpinc> vizzy: Not to mention that most of your usb sticks have vfat file systems on them, which can take unkindly to being unplugged without being unmounted.
• 2928[23:40:48] <xtc_> build-deps is missing
• 2929[23:41:02] <nvz> @.@
• 2930[23:41:33] <xtc_> in apt-cache
• 2931[23:41:41] <xtc_> its not my fault if debian is remove that
• 2932[23:41:45] <vizzy> karlpinc, i use an xfs formatted usb key for authentication at boot, and when i remove it i want saome action, all woks, but udev just wont recognize my remove action rul
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• 2936[23:42:25] <vizzy> karlpinc, i dont care if its mounted at all, so what. but that was not the question
• 2937[23:42:27] <duude__> Hello everyone o/
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• 2939[23:42:33] <xtc_> what should i do xD
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• 2942[23:42:51] <karlpinc> vizzy: I've been blinded by the shiny and can no longer see.
• 2943[23:43:04] <duude__> I've finished installing Debian. Can't decide which desktop environment to use for my Debian. Can you guys reccomend me one that looks nice and doesn't use a lot of battery?
• 2944[23:43:10] <duude__> KDE is very nice. Uses a lot of battery.
• 2945[23:43:16] <karlpinc> xtc_: Follow the instructions in the kernel handbook?
• 2946[23:43:19] <duude__> Gnome is solid, but very "locked".
• 2947[23:43:30] <vizzy> karlpinc, this is not so shiny at all
• 2948[23:43:34] <duude__> xfce uses very little battery, but way too simplistic. Feels like windows xp
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• 2950[23:43:39] <karlpinc> duude__: They all suck. I use xfce
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• 2953[23:44:09] <duude__> karlpinc: doesn't xfce look a bit too simple for you?
• 2954[23:44:15] <duude__> as if you're back on windows xp
• 2955[23:44:29] <duude__> actaully no
• 2956[23:44:46] <karlpinc> duude__: I don't care what it looks like so long as it stays out of the way of my work.
• 2957[23:44:47] <duude__> windows 2000
• 2958[23:44:48] <joepublic> xfce is a little more configurable than Windows XP's interface options.
• 2959[23:45:00] <joepublic> I use xfce.
• 2960[23:45:11] <duude__> Did you beautify it anyhow?
• 2961[23:45:19] <vizzy> kde WAS nice, now the tools are very limited in comparison to kde3 or 4
• 2962[23:45:21] <joepublic> I have cairo-dock on one of my monitors/
• 2963[23:45:46] <joepublic> and several conkys running on the desktop
• 2964[23:46:18] <duude__> Oh wait, you can change xfce's dock?
• 2965[23:46:22] <duude__> Nevermind, xfce is nice
• 2966[23:47:18] <xtc_> karlpinc: i did? it says make deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-falcot KDEB_PKGVERSION=$(make kernelversion)-1
• 2967[23:50:06] <karlpinc> xtc_: The kernel handbook is written for debian developers. If you're a user and making your own kernel you need to pay attention and follow what I hear are not-in-your-face-obvious user instructions that are somewhere in there.
• 2968[23:50:41] <karlpinc> xtc_: That's all I know.
• 2969[23:50:51] <xtc_> i want .deb files when its done
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• 2971[23:51:18] <karlpinc> xtc_: That's what I'd expect you to get. Havin't done it.
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• 2973[23:51:46] <xtc_> dpkg-source: info: use the '3.0 (quilt)' format to have separate and documented changes to upstream files, see dpkg-source(1)
• 2974[23:51:49] <xtc_> also lots of warnings
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