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0[00:00:13] <SerajewelKS> Bushmills: +i can't be renamed either according to the manpage
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3[00:00:27] <CaptainDusty> SerajewelKS: Not on an immediate Debian box -blush- sorry
4[00:00:43] <SerajewelKS> CaptainDusty: ah. well it makes the file immutable even to root. of course root can undo it.
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6[00:00:47] <Bushmills> we don't know. speculation atm
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8[00:01:06] <SerajewelKS> CaptainDusty: but it's useful to stop random programs from stomping on config files sometimes
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10[00:01:13] <CaptainDusty> immutable.
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12[00:01:19] <CaptainDusty> Nice. Thanks. SerajewelKS
13[00:01:26] <SerajewelKS> i've used it on /etc/resolv.conf until i was able to figure out what was making bad changes to it
14[00:01:46] <SerajewelKS> it's a bandaid... shouldn't really be used permanently. but it's nice to keep your system working until you track something down.
15[00:01:51] <CaptainDusty> SerajewelKS: And, in that case; what was making bad changes to it?
16[00:02:01] <SerajewelKS> i don't remember, this was over 10 years ago
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18[00:02:15] <Bushmills> resolvconf or network-manager, i suspect
19[00:02:16] <CaptainDusty> SerajewelKS: Fair enough.
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23[00:02:38] <SerajewelKS> Bushmills: it was on behalf of something else though, i think it was resolvconf but the error was in some other config
24[00:03:07] <Bushmills> same problem, same approach, just sounds familiar :)
25[00:03:20] <SerajewelKS> yep
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35[00:05:17] <Bushmills> network-mismanager, called hence
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37[00:06:11] <karlpinc> F
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40[00:06:37] <karlpinc> FWIW, Akuw_ did a ls -lh authorized_keys and there was no trailing + on the permissions, so I figured no acls.
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141[00:57:57] <CrystalMath> hi all
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144[00:59:06] <CrystalMath> what's that number in the apt policy output?
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146[01:00:54] <Habbie> CrystalMath, which number?
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149[01:02:49] <CrystalMath> 100 and 500?
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152[01:03:31] <tomreyn> CrystalMath: priority
153[01:03:40] <CrystalMath> do they mean something?
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155[01:04:11] <tomreyn> yes :)
156[01:04:28] <CrystalMath> but what?
157[01:04:32] <CrystalMath> i think my apt is messed up
158[01:04:36] <CrystalMath> it's showing most things as 500
159[01:05:40] <dvs> That's what it usually is
160[01:06:01] <tomreyn> see apt_preferences(5)
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166[01:10:56] <CrystalMath> hmm, i think i understand now
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191[01:26:16] <m0rd3cai> hello #debian. i really hope someone can help. laptop has had no issues in over a year. just booted it up and none of the windows have borders, no X, minimize or maximize. A trail is left when I drag a window. I have not done an update in a week or so I dont know how it could be related at all but I dont even know where to start. Ive tried booting with the advanced option and choosing the older kernel
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193[01:26:22] <m0rd3cai> (only 2 are listed) 4.9.0.8 and 4.9.0.9 is current.
194[01:26:30] <m0rd3cai> Im using XFCE not Gnome.
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199[01:29:16] <jmcnaught> m0rd3cai: is xfwm4 running? I think that's the xfce window manager.
200[01:29:29] <m0rd3cai> lets see
201[01:30:28] <koollman> no border/button is a typicaly sign of window manager missing/broken
202[01:30:53] <m0rd3cai> I see the rest of the window except the border and those buttons.
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207[01:32:09] <Bushmills> and you can move windows only with keys, or Alt+mouse?
208[01:32:11] <m0rd3cai> jmcnaught: i see /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session --run-script startxfce4
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213[01:33:04] <m0rd3cai> xfdesktop, xfsettingsd and xfce4-panel is running also. Is there a simple way to reinstall xfce?
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215[01:33:28] <Bushmills> probably no need to
216[01:33:37] <jmcnaught> m0rd3cai: you probably just need to run xfwm4, Alt-F2 might bring up a run dialogue
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220[01:35:11] <koollman> but it should already be running. so the trick question is 'why is xfwm4 not running/crashed?'
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222[01:35:30] <poot> and if that bombs, use alt-f2 to open a terminal and see running xfwm4 from the command line gives you any meaningful output. You might luck out and get info on why it's giving up (if it is)
223[01:35:50] <m0rd3cai> alt-f2 wont open another terminal. hrm....
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226[01:36:07] <koollman> ctrl-alt-f2, then
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228[01:36:26] <Bushmills> switches console ...
229[01:36:26] <jmcnaught> that'll just switch to tty2
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233[01:38:09] <jmcnaught> m0rd3cai: or if you can still access xfce settings through the panel, look for an autostart section and add xfwm4 then log out and log back in .
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236[01:38:46] <gartt> When I try to do "nc -l 2389" on one terminal and "nc localhost 2389" on another of the same box, why do I get "(UNKNOWN) [127.0.0.1] 4545 (?) : Connection refused"? Isn't this one of the simplest netcat examples?
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240[01:40:21] <m0rd3cai> wow. rebooted and it worked. tried to reboot again and same old crap. it wasnt letting me switch to tty2, alt f2 or ctrl+alt f2
241[01:40:58] <poot> gartt: what happens when you do lsof -i | grep 2389
242[01:41:21] <gartt> poot: Nothing at all
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244[01:41:45] <gartt> I tried both commands as root, but doesn't seem to make any difference
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249[01:42:12] <poot> if the nc -l 2389 is still running, it should show the port, so that's weird. You don't have any iptables rules or anything like that?
250[01:42:53] <poot> perhaps try nc -v -l 2389 for more verbose output.
251[01:44:46] <gartt> Hmm, interesting that the same commands work fine on a Mac osx box
252[01:45:30] <koollman> there are different nc implementations (gnu and bsd, mainly)
253[01:46:02] <gartt> Hmm, I apologize, I'm SSHd in a slackware box now. Sorry
254[01:46:07] <koollman> gartt: nc -l -p 2389
255[01:46:14] <koollman> (of the other way do not work)
256[01:46:20] <koollman> s/of/if/
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258[01:46:43] <gartt> koollman: Works like a charm with -p
259[01:46:57] <gartt> poot, koollman: Thanks
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271[01:53:05] <poot> thanks koollman, til about diff nc implementations. That's sort of... frustrating.
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273[01:54:17] <poot> gartt: condolences on having to work on a slackware box :P
274[01:54:38] <koollman> poot: on many distributions, both versions can be installed, too :)
275[01:55:21] <poot> I remember the good old days when all we had to worry about was SysV vs. BSD conventions... </offtopicrant>
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278[01:58:08] <koollman> debian for example has netcat-openbsd and netcat-traditional
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387[03:32:23] <ZaZaGX> macbook eh?
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405[03:46:08] <tp43_> Anyone can install lighttpd with ssl module on Debian Buster and restart ok, please try, cause seems to be broken for me in Buster.
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418[04:01:48] <Abdullah> tp43 buster is okay, I
419[04:02:08] <Abdullah> I'm using it and never faced a problem
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422[04:03:15] <Abdullah> tp43_: Do you know how things are restarted ?
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430[04:15:24] <asterismo_l> hi
431[04:16:28] <asterismo_l> i have a huge music collection op mp3 files with each cover in each directory, is there any easy way to execute this command on every directory and subdirectory recursively? eyeD3 --add-image="folder.png":FRONT_COVER *.mp3
432[04:16:56] <asterismo_l> i tried medifying several commands i found online, but i cannot get it rigth
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434[04:20:43] <rant> asterismo_l: is there already folder.png files there?
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438[04:22:05] <ZaZaGX> hi
439[04:23:18] <rant> ZaZaGX: not yet, but we're working on it
440[04:23:46] <ZaZaGX> working on what?
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444[04:26:18] <ZaZaGX> fixing my computer?
445[04:26:34] <saptech> getting hi
446[04:26:39] <rant> it was a silly joke, you clearly didn't get :P
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449[04:28:10] <ZaZaGX> i don't get jokes
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451[04:28:55] <ZaZaGX> i also kill the moment for jokes too
452[04:29:08] <ZaZaGX> sudo kill jokes
453[04:30:12] <annadane> why was 6 afraid of 7, because 7 kill -9...
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462[04:35:08] <ZaZaGX> lol
463[04:35:16] <ZaZaGX> thats a church joke
464[04:35:43] <annadane> but i'm not religious...
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467[04:36:31] <ZaZaGX> i anm
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469[04:36:41] <ZaZaGX> sometimes i feel like i
470[04:36:44] <ZaZaGX> m in a cult
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472[04:37:23] <ZaZaGX> no one admits that
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478[04:42:59] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure what to do. stay or leave. but i have no where to go. so i just play around with Debian OS
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493[04:55:02] <ZaZaGX> i fixed my /etc/apt/sources.list ... someone on here gave me a debgen sources list
494[04:55:25] <ZaZaGX> they said it was a bad debgen list
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502[05:04:46] <VadPerevad> ZaZaGX, debgen.simplylinux.ch?
503[05:05:07] <ZaZaGX> yeah
504[05:05:23] <ZaZaGX> they told me to use this...
505[05:05:25] <ZaZaGX> !sources
506[05:05:25] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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510[05:09:40] <VadPerevad> ZaZaGX, generator makes what you need, there is a checkboxes :)
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522[05:21:40] <ZaZaGX> i checked everything lol
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527[05:23:17] <VadPerevad> ZaZaGX, so and you have what you asked :)
528[05:24:12] <ZaZaGX> it was too much
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535[05:31:13] <ZaZaGX> i thought i got the wrong sources.list too. because my debian won't update
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549[05:48:50] <asterismo_l> rant, yes in every folder
550[05:48:56] <asterismo_l> sorry for the delay
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552[05:49:31] <rant> asterismo_l: then this may be something you could just use gnu find for with an --exec option for the command you want to run on each file it finds
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562[05:58:18] <ZaZaGX> man, my only complain about Debian 10 is the battery life
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565[05:58:33] <ZaZaGX> the lastest Ubuntu gives me more battery life
566[05:58:57] <ZaZaGX> but debian 10 is faster and more stable than Ubuntu
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570[06:00:20] <Abdullah> ZaZaGX: You don't even know what's debian.
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572[06:00:57] <ZaZaGX> yes i did.
573[06:01:38] <ZaZaGX> oh, maybe not
574[06:01:59] <Abdullah> replaced-url
575[06:02:10] <Abdullah> using debian bullseye
576[06:02:25] <Abdullah> show me your battery time...
577[06:02:58] <ZaZaGX> whoa
578[06:03:16] <ZaZaGX> what IRC client is that?
579[06:03:52] <ZaZaGX> i have never seen that
580[06:03:55] <Abdullah> maybe I have complaints about systemd but I know I don't have enough knowledge to manage systemd well so why to blame systemd.j
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582[06:04:02] <Abdullah> weechat
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584[06:04:42] <ZaZaGX> is that no GUI?
585[06:04:48] <Abdullah> lol
586[06:04:52] <Abdullah> it has gui
587[06:05:05] <ZaZaGX> ohh ic
588[06:05:09] <ZaZaGX> I'm using Irssi
589[06:05:13] <furaidi> actually it IS GUI))
590[06:05:46] <Abdullah> debian is cool, no bad comments :)
591[06:05:49] <furaidi> I'm using lxqt now
592[06:06:09] <ZaZaGX> whats that on the bottom?
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594[06:06:38] <Abdullah> there are two things, one is tmux status and the other one is a bar.
595[06:06:40] <furaidi> 5 hours lifetime with 10k mAh battery
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597[06:07:18] <ZaZaGX> ohh i heard of tmux
598[06:07:38] <ZaZaGX> isn't screen better?
599[06:07:50] <Abdullah> I haven't used it long enough as I don't travel enough but it can go 24 hours without charge.
600[06:08:26] <Abdullah> I think I used screen when I was aware of it. But now I use tmux. even forgot the prefix for that.
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604[06:10:06] <Abdullah> I'm in power save mode :) as there sometime I don't need a GUI, so I switch to tty2-6 after killing X. These tmux windows won't destroyed. and I can continue
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606[06:11:03] <Abdullah> I was thinking to have most of the programs I run be managed by systemd.
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609[06:11:55] <ZaZaGX> X??? I thought Debiann is on Wayland?
610[06:12:00] <ZaZaGX> debian-10
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613[06:12:18] <rant> nope
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615[06:13:14] <ZaZaGX> wait, the default for debian 10 isn't on wayland?
616[06:13:21] <Abdullah> maybe you people got no X.
617[06:14:13] <ZaZaGX> Abdullah, you using an older debian version?
618[06:14:16] <Abdullah> I installed this system using a netinstall iso with minimal things. I think there is something between X and wayland as some programs need that.
619[06:14:36] <ZaZaGX> oh i used DVD-1 install
620[06:14:47] <ZaZaGX> it won't let me load the netinstall
621[06:15:03] <ZaZaGX> its just gives me a blank screen
622[06:15:18] <Abdullah> ZaZaGX: Description: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid
623[06:15:32] <ZaZaGX> ohhhh
624[06:15:45] <ZaZaGX> don't you get updates every 6 hours?
625[06:16:20] <Abdullah> if I'm happy with system or I have no internet I wont' get updates for centuries.
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627[06:16:40] <ZaZaGX> 10 years?
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629[06:16:44] <ZaZaGX> oh my!
630[06:16:56] <Abdullah> I said centuries :-)
631[06:17:09] <ZaZaGX> 10 year(s)
632[06:17:21] <ZaZaGX> maybe i should at the +
633[06:17:37] <Abdullah> dunno why I choose bleeding edge :)
634[06:17:49] <ZaZaGX> is it unstable sometimes?
635[06:18:16] <Abdullah> or maybe a rolling release I like too.
636[06:18:19] <ZaZaGX> i thought about using testing, but people on here tell me its a stupid idea. they suggust i should use stable or sid
637[06:18:25] <Abdullah> nah, never it become for me.
638[06:19:06] <Abdullah> debian is known for stability
639[06:19:17] <ZaZaGX> yeah i just noticed that
640[06:19:37] <ZaZaGX> the Ubuntu 19.04 would freeze up on me sometimes. i hated that. Debian 10 hasn't done that
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642[06:20:25] <ZaZaGX> and the Ubuntu LTS sucks. its really bad for my laptop. when it enters screen saver mode. It would mess up my firefox and corrupt my files sometimes
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644[06:21:15] <Abdullah> I installed two images, one on a laptop with ssd. and one of a UFD. both were installed using netinstall iso of stretch. I installed only minimal things and enabled testing. I'm happy with them.
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646[06:21:41] <ZaZaGX> UFD?
647[06:21:46] <Abdullah> got a pi, which I installed buster a few days ago.
648[06:21:58] <Abdullah> USB flash drive.
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650[06:22:14] <ZaZaGX> ohh
651[06:22:38] <ZaZaGX> oh me too
652[06:22:49] <ZaZaGX> i got a raspberry pi 3 B.. not a B+ ;(
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654[06:23:00] <ZaZaGX> slightly used at Scalex 17
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656[06:25:40] <ZaZaGX> you can install Debian buster armhf on it? i thought you have to install raspbian
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659[06:28:19] <Abdullah> ZaZaGX: derived from debian
660[06:29:30] <ZaZaGX> hmm
661[06:29:40] <ZaZaGX> i installed kali linux armhf for my pie
662[06:29:46] <ZaZaGX> pi
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811[08:14:01] <pragomer> what is the pw of the live user of debian10 live cds? kde's screensaver activated during
812[08:14:11] <pragomer> installation, now I got to get back to the desktop
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818[08:15:25] <pragomer> I got it... its "live" ;-)
819[08:15:26] <kopper> pragomer: Password is "live", IIRC
820[08:15:33] <kopper> Well there you go then
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825[08:20:58] <pragomer> kopper: thank you
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837[08:29:41] <HeXiLeD> anyone knows which package has base64 package required for http authentication?
838[08:29:50] <HeXiLeD> dpkg: base64
839[08:29:50] <dpkg> HeXiLeD: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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847[08:33:43] <HeXiLeD> might have found it: libb64-dev
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866[08:49:05] <HeXiLeD> it is actually tcllib
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875[08:54:13] <Azlux> hi all, I just make the Buster dist-upgrade. Work well, just on question, Php was on packages.sury.org repository, so I migrate to debian default (Aptitude allow me to migrate)
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877[08:54:44] <Azlux> but when I see the version : Downgrade : php7.3-fpm [7.3.7-2+0~20190725.42+debian9~1.gbp848ca5 (now) -> 7.3.4-2 (stable)]
878[08:55:03] <Azlux> Debian Buster is on the 7.3 branch, any reson it's not up-to-date ?
879[08:55:08] <Azlux> reason *
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888[09:00:37] <at0m> Azlux: telling from the date, that came out after Buster. Debian stable only gets security updates.
889[09:00:55] <at0m> ,v php7.3-fpm
890[09:00:57] <judd> Package: php7.3-fpm on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.4-2; bullseye: 7.3.6-1; sid: 7.3.6-1
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897[09:07:58] <strk> New version specified (1.7.1-1linz~bionic1) is less than the current version number (1.7.1-1linz~trusty1)! Use -b to force.
898[09:08:01] <Azlux> at0m: debian will get security update, no the minor updates ?
899[09:08:26] <at0m> Azlux: indeed. no major updates either.
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901[09:08:39] <strk> the above error comes from `dch` command. Should I just brute-force it ? because "bionic" is the name of a new Ubuntu distribution (newer than trusty1) -- basically I'm re-packaging for a new distro
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903[09:10:13] <at0m> Azlux: as i understand it, 'no minor updates' prevent new bugs from sneaking in, and 'no major updates' ensures stuff keeps working consistently
904[09:10:41] <at0m> Azlux: security patches otoh are backported
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913[09:15:03] <[twisti]> using stretch, im looking for a way to get smbclient 4.7. can anyone help me with that ? i looked at stretch-backports but it doesnt seem to have it
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916[09:15:56] <rudi_s> [twisti]: If it's not in backports then there's no easy way to get it.
917[09:16:26] <[twisti]> crap
918[09:16:46] <rudi_s> Does buster have it?
919[09:16:57] <at0m> ,v smbclient
920[09:16:59] <judd> Package: smbclient on amd64 -- jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u13; stretch: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; buster: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5; bullseye: 2:4.9.11+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.9.11+dfsg-1
921[09:17:29] <[twisti]> im not sure how to read that, but i think that indicates that buster has 4.9 ?
922[09:17:41] <at0m> indeed
923[09:18:14] <[twisti]> can i use that somehow ? its for a docker build, so issues with future updates or pulled dependencies are not as problematic
924[09:19:05] <rudi_s> [twisti]: Why not create it base on the buster image?
925[09:19:08] <rudi_s> *based
926[09:19:31] <rudi_s> "issues with future updates or pulled dependencies are not as problematic" <- reading things like that make me sad ...
927[09:19:39] <at0m> [twisti]: afaik, if there's no backport, then someone has probably tried but can't do it for some reason. for example, a cascade of other package updates that 4.7 could depend on
928[09:20:06] <[twisti]> we inherit the base, so changing to a different base is not trivial for us
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974[09:38:52] <beardy> .morrn
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977[09:39:02] <beardy> ECHAN
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984[09:43:19] <newbie> Can someone help with ubuntu?
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986[09:43:55] <well_laid_lawn> you should tr joining #ubuntu
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988[09:44:07] <newbie> thankyou
989[09:44:17] <Unit193> You'll need to be identified with services in order to do that, see /msg nickserv help register
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991[09:44:38] <newbie> this is my first time using this chat..
992[09:44:42] <newbie> trying to figure out..
993[09:44:44] <newbie> thanks guys
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1004[09:52:36] <kilobyte_ch> What's the easiest was to build a minimal debian buster rootfs for armhf architecture? Looks like qemu-debootstrap is not available anymore.
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1006[09:54:07] <Mathisen> ,v debootstrap
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1008[09:54:09] <judd> Package: debootstrap on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.67+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.89; stretch-backports: 1.0.110~bpo9+1; buster: 1.0.114; buster-backports: 1.0.115~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.115; sid: 1.0.115
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1010[09:55:21] <kilobyte_ch> But I need to build for armhf without real hardware.
1011[09:55:30] <kilobyte_ch> And afaik that's not possible with debootstrap
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1013[09:56:33] <BCMM> kilobyte_ch: you can do cross-debootstrapping
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1021[09:59:15] <themill> kilobyte_ch: qemu-debootstrap still exists
1022[09:59:22] <themill> ,file bin/qemu-debootstrap
1023[09:59:28] <judd> Search for bin/qemu-debootstrap in buster/amd64: qemu-user-static: usr/sbin/qemu-debootstrap
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1028[10:02:53] <kilobyte_ch> BCMM themill: thanks, was now able to do it manually with debootsrap
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1034[10:04:29] <themill> (qemu-debootstrap just calls debootstrap with the right options and pops the qemu-foo stuff into the chroot for you)
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1039[10:07:42] <centrix> We are running squid 4 on Debian 10. There is no sarg package for buster. Any alterntive please?
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1043[10:09:13] <armin> say i got a wifi device called wlp0s3, what exactly can i read from this naming? what do i have to read in order to understand what information is in that naming?
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1045[10:11:25] <EoflaOE> centrix: You can directly download the .deb file from sid. You can see why was it removed from busted here: replaced-url
1046[10:11:37] <EoflaOE> buster*
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1048[10:12:30] <centrix> EoflaOE, I'll check it out. Any alternative (nginx + something) to parse and publish squid logs?
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1057[10:15:38] <jelly> ,v sarg
1058[10:15:39] <judd> Package: sarg on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3.6-1+b1; stretch: 2.3.10-2; sid: 2.3.11-1
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1060[10:16:44] <liquid-silence> configuring wm's are such a pain
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1062[10:17:31] <themill> armin: you don't have to understand the naming at all; the point is just that it doesn't change if you plug in a second device. replaced-url
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1064[10:17:49] <BCMM> is sarg kind of abandoned upstream?
1065[10:18:19] <alkisg> armin: replaced-url
1066[10:19:20] <EoflaOE> centrix: I am afraid sarg is the only program which can do this, because I don't know the alternatives. Choose your arch: replaced-url
1067[10:19:49] <armin> alkisg: that's it, thanks a lot.
1068[10:20:29] <themill> Don't all the cool kids use calamaris these days?
1069[10:20:47] <alkisg> np
1070[10:21:33] <armin> themill: thanks a lot. i don't have to, but i want to. :P
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1073[10:25:07] <centrix> EoflaOE, Good. I can build myself. The only thing is that I would like to keep using nginx instead of moving to apache.
1074[10:26:38] <centrix> well_laid_lawn, it says "sug: httpd " which in turns show nginx as one of the "group" members. It should be OK then. Let me see.
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1076[10:28:17] <well_laid_lawn> ok
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1083[10:30:27] <Chukk> When I use sorted on a list. Why is it that I can not do this: max = sorted(list)[-1] ? When sorted returns a list shouldnt I be able to subscript it?
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1085[10:30:33] <Chukk> whoops
1086[10:30:39] <Chukk> wrong channel. sorry
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1092[10:33:59] <liquid-silence> oh man I just fscked up here
1093[10:35:48] <armin> Chukk: replaced-url
1094[10:35:54] <armin> Chukk: you should.
1095[10:36:03] <liquid-silence> changed the root users shell to something that does not exist and now I cannot su to it anymore
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1097[10:37:55] <tds> -s /bin/bash :)
1098[10:38:48] <alkisg> liquid-silence: eh, use a live cd or even init=/bin/bash to correct it...
1099[10:38:51] <tds> oh, though that's useless unless you're running it as root, if the shell isn't in /etc/shells, ouch
1100[10:39:26] <liquid-silence> yeah pretty fscked here
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1102[10:40:11] <liquid-silence> not sure how I am going to fix this
1103[10:41:17] <liquid-silence> it should technically just fallback
1104[10:41:18] <liquid-silence> but no
1105[10:42:00] <liquid-silence> unless I can run a command that changes the shell before the shell tries to load?
1106[10:42:21] <Chukk> armin: yeah, I figured that out also. But thanks, was just a small mistake.
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1108[10:44:17] <liquid-silence> alkisg init?
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1110[10:44:57] <alkisg> liquid-silence: yes, in grub, when you reboot, you can press "e" and fill init there
1111[10:45:11] <alkisg> So you'll get a shell in the real file system, from where you can change the shell
1112[10:45:17] <liquid-silence> ah yea
1113[10:45:22] <liquid-silence> brb
1114[10:45:27] <alkisg> moment
1115[10:45:31] <alkisg> mount -o remount,rw /
1116[10:45:35] <alkisg> You might need this ^
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1119[10:46:38] <Bushmills> general recommendation, applicable to this case of changing shell, or to changing ssh login, restarting sshd etc: keep a root login open, apply change, test change. only then close the root login which was kept open in order to fix if necessary.
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1122[10:47:35] <BCMM> wait what? couldn't liquid-silence have just used su -s instead of booting with init=?
1123[10:48:10] * Bushmills remembers locking himself out of an internet cafe server/gateway - which was 800 km away
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1132[10:54:23] <Bushmills> btw, executung su -c /bin/bash *may* be sufficient - I think login shell won't be executed in that case
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1136[10:54:48] <Bushmills> (as user, naturally)
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1140[10:55:13] <BCMM> Bushmills: the man page describes -c as "Pass command to the shell with the -c option."
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1142[10:55:34] <BCMM> implying that it will result in running basically $SHELL -c command
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1145[10:56:22] <Bushmills> I looked at process list after changing to another user who has been set to use a different shell. after -c /bin/bash, his shell wasn't in process list
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1150[10:57:23] <Bushmills> but I wasn't very keen to test this with actual root shell changed
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1152[10:58:02] <liquid-silence> ok lucky for me I had access to the bootloader
1153[10:58:58] <liquid-silence> what is the reasoning behind not having sudo by default?
1154[11:01:04] <Bushmills> ok, tried. didn't work
1155[11:01:27] <Bushmills> because deemed unnecessary, as there's su
1156[11:01:39] <liquid-silence> thought as much
1157[11:01:42] <Bushmills> (that was past policy - seems to have changed now)
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1160[11:03:40] <tds> recent installers will install and confiure sudo if you don't specify a root password
1161[11:04:35] <liquid-silence> yeah I am ok with using su
1162[11:04:45] <liquid-silence> because I almost never have t touch the root user
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1164[11:05:11] <Bushmills> another reasoning may have been "it's in the repo, who wants it can add it"
1165[11:05:21] <liquid-silence> does anyone here still use irssi?
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1169[11:07:03] <jelly> liquid-silence, I suspect people in #irssi channel might be still using it
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1180[11:13:14] <ZaZaGX> hi
1181[11:13:20] <pimo> hi :)
1182[11:14:04] <ZaZaGX> you use debian?
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1184[11:14:26] <pimo> yes, I use debian testing with cinnamon on my laptop
1185[11:14:51] <ZaZaGX> oh how is it?
1186[11:15:01] <ZaZaGX> why not use stable instead?
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1188[11:15:41] <pimo> I recommend you stable for servers and testing or sid for everyday use
1189[11:16:07] <ZaZaGX> how come?
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1191[11:16:16] <pimo> I find it fast/light
1192[11:16:35] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
1193[11:16:53] <ZaZaGX> do you have the more updated software?
1194[11:17:21] <pimo> yes I have
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1196[11:17:42] <pimo> you can also keep the system in testing but install some packages from sid
1197[11:17:52] <pimo> if you want :D
1198[11:18:01] <tarzeau> pimo: then i'd rather just use sid (i actually do)
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1201[11:18:37] <pimo> I've installed a package from sid just once, because I had a bug on testing and the package on sid was more new and fixed
1202[11:18:40] <pimo> *patched
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1207[11:22:22] <v_> exit
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1211[11:23:07] <ZaZaGX> lol
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1216[11:26:05] <liquid-silence> ZaZaGX: why are we laughting?
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1218[11:27:05] <ZaZaGX> because v_ forgot the /
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1235[11:33:06] <liquid-silence> so I think i3 will be for me!
1236[11:33:59] <ZaZaGX> intel i3?
1237[11:34:08] <liquid-silence> i3wm
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1240[11:34:58] <ZaZaGX> a ring?
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1245[11:35:36] <liquid-silence> ill just ignore ZaZaGX
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1251[11:37:06] <ZaZaGX> i googled it, it showed a ring
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1259[11:42:04] <admin1> hello
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1261[11:42:16] <admin1> any body home?
1262[11:42:26] <Bushmills> are you?
1263[11:42:31] <admin1> linus
1264[11:42:37] <ZaZaGX> yes
1265[11:42:46] <n0a110w_> morning
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1284[11:52:57] <liquid-silence> ZaZaGX: its a window manager
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1295[11:59:31] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
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1297[12:00:16] <liquid-silence> here is the fontawesome package?
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1357[12:44:18] <dooteo> Hi all,
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1359[12:45:14] <dooteo> I created own DEB package, but don't know how enable it's service into 'postinst' script
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1361[12:46:01] <dooteo> The package is installed by Debian Installer from a ISO
1362[12:46:45] <dooteo> Next line is included into 'postinst'
1363[12:46:47] <dooteo> deb-systemd-helper enable my_steram.service
1364[12:47:26] <dooteo> but once ISO is installed, service is disabled, gotta run 'dpkg-reconfigure my_package' to enable it
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1373[12:58:50] <colo-work> on Debian Buster, I get this when trying to request data from a number of TLSv1.0-enabled websites:
1374[12:58:52] <colo-work> $ curl --tlsv1.0 "replaced-url
1375[12:58:52] <colo-work> curl: (35) error:1425F102:SSL routines:ssl_choose_client_version:unsupported protocol
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1377[12:59:04] <colo-work> what gives? what's the problem that makes the handshake fail?
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1379[12:59:11] <colo-work> (other TLSv1.0-clients are fine)
1380[12:59:24] <colo-work> (wget, for instance)
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1386[13:01:29] <kopper> colo-work: Man page seems to say --tlsv1 would be correct
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1389[13:02:37] <colo-work> kopper, probably exercises the same code path. yields the same result for sure.
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1421[13:26:31] <swenray> Hello there, I'm running BunsenLab Hydrogen (8.5) under I386 architecture , I'd like to update firefox (currently 45.2.0 FirefoxESR ). I'm a bit noob, but shouldn't "sudo apt upgrade firefox" work instantly ?
1422[13:26:53] <liquid-silence> it should
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1425[13:27:44] <annadane> this is #debian, we don't really know about bunsenlabs
1426[13:27:53] <han-solo> oh, bunsenlab is a distro
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1428[13:28:35] <swenray> @liquid-silence , OK so what does "unable to find firefox paquage" mean [ In french "Calcul de la mise à jour... E: Impossible de trouver le paquet firefox ]
1429[13:28:38] <han-solo> Okay, it's something build on top of debian
1430[13:29:35] <annadane> i would ask bunsenlabs support, not us, but have you tried firefox-esr and not "firefox"
1431[13:29:41] <liquid-silence> why do you need to upgrade though?
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1433[13:29:53] <liquid-silence> the package is called firefox-esr
1434[13:30:03] <swenray> HUm, yeah han-solo, I think it is indeed built on the idea of Debian , I ended up here through bunsenlab's site.
1435[13:30:30] <swenray> Allright trying firefox-ESR (Some sites ask me to upgrade firefox to go on with them...)
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1437[13:30:33] <annadane> also yeah firefox 45 is horribly out of date and very likely stopped receiving security support ages ago anyway
1438[13:30:33] <jelly> !bunsenlabs
1439[13:30:34] <dpkg> BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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1441[13:31:33] <han-solo> # replaced-url
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1444[13:32:48] <jelly> swenray, we don't know what are the best ways to do things on derivative distros, so ask the right channel
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1448[13:34:33] <BCMM> swenray: looks like Hydrogen is based on debian jessie, which is EOL. you should probably just use a modern distro.
1449[13:34:40] <swenray> Okay, anyway it looks tough : computer says firefox-esr allready latest version. I'm gonna look somewhere else then. Thanks verry much though
1450[13:34:55] <swenray> @BCMM : what's EOL ? :D
1451[13:35:08] <BCMM> swenray: "end of life", i.e. no longer being updated
1452[13:35:37] <liquid-silence> swenray: did you do apt update?
1453[13:35:43] <BCMM> swenray: firefox esr45 is extremely old, definitely no longer patched, and probably has known security problems
1454[13:35:45] <swenray> Fuck .. any advise on light 32bit ditribution / OS ?
1455[13:35:52] <BCMM> swenray: Debian.
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1457[13:36:07] <liquid-silence> yeah just use debian 32bit
1458[13:36:13] <jelly> jessie is EoL by debian security team, but still getting limited support from LTS team
1459[13:36:17] <jelly> !jessie-lts
1460[13:36:17] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
1461[13:36:55] <BCMM> yeah, but LTS only supports a subset of packages, and should only be used by people who are prepared to carefully take in to account which packages are still supported
1462[13:37:00] <jelly> ,v firefox-esr
1463[13:37:01] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.7.2esr-1; jessie-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 60.8.0esr-1; sid:
1464[13:37:01] <qman__> you're running an old version, they've published a newer version to upgrade to, you'd need to upgrdae your whole distribution
1465[13:37:02] <judd> 60.8.0esr-1
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1467[13:37:23] <jelly> BCMM, the subset includes firefox-esr
1468[13:37:24] <swenray> Okay, I'll turn towards debian then. Yeah, and update says indeed something like "no repositories", is that it : no support ?
1469[13:37:49] <jelly> swenray, we have no idea which repos are correct for your distro
1470[13:38:05] <BCMM> funny, the bunsenlabs website says they still have hydrogen repos. but it would be better to ask a relevant channel about that.
1471[13:38:17] <jelly> and we don't know what's the correct way to do patches or upgrades
1472[13:38:22] <jelly> (there might not be any)
1473[13:38:36] <swenray> BCMM : could send your latest sentence back, didn't get it right on my screen ...
1474[13:38:38] <jelly> (or there might... ask #bunsenlabs in any case)
1475[13:38:40] <BCMM> swenray: if you want to update bunsenlabs, go and ask in the bunsunlabs channel. if you want to switch to debian, ask here
1476[13:38:49] <BCMM> swenray: i said "funny, the bunsenlabs website says they still have hydrogen repos. but it would be better to ask a relevant channel about that."
1477[13:38:52] <qman__> it's just a package set on top of debian, so the upgrade process is almost certainly the same as debian
1478[13:38:57] <qman__> but you need to ask the people who made it
1479[13:39:05] <qman__> i.e. not #debian
1480[13:39:10] <jelly> qman__, we almost certainly can't know that
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1483[13:39:49] <qman__> it says so on the installation page
1484[13:39:57] <BCMM> it looks like their latest version is still based on oldstable, which seems less than ideal for a typical user...
1485[13:40:02] <qman__> but yes, they could be doing some funny business
1486[13:40:19] <swenray> Hum, yeah I've been searching maybe a to specific distro, bigger/more active community seems to be here then.
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1488[13:40:37] <BCMM> yeah, there are even derived distros that simply advise against upgrading at all and just suggest a clean install
1489[13:40:59] <qman__> this is their entire distro replaced-url
1490[13:41:09] <qman__> it's less than 60 packages, on top of debian 9
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1493[13:41:44] <BCMM> i'm confused as to its purpose... is it just "old debian with a custom theme?"
1494[13:42:05] <liquid-silence> fragmentation lol
1495[13:42:07] <qman__> basically, and debian 9 isn't that old, I imagine they just haven't gotten around to doing it for 10 yet
1496[13:42:14] <qman__> small community
1497[13:42:24] <annadane> join the dark side, we have cookies
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1500[13:43:34] <qman__> I haven't upgraded anything to buster yet either, frankly
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1506[13:44:22] <swenray> What would be an easy to use and maintain secure debian version ? Just the 32bit ?
1507[13:45:02] <annadane> that entirely depends on your computer's architecture
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1513[13:45:50] <BCMM> swenray: choose the architecture that's most appropriate to your hardware... all debian releases are available for a range of different architechtures
1514[13:46:00] <swenray> (It's all a bit jibber-jabber) for me, but If I start with a clean version, and then follow some easy written advice for maintaining security then it should be okay. (I'm french by the way , bonjour !! )
1515[13:46:04] <BCMM> swenray: Debian Stable is the easy to maintain, secure release of Debian
1516[13:47:00] <BCMM> swenray: the current Stable distribution is Debian 10.0. there's a link to download it on the front page of replaced-url
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1520[13:48:03] <BCMM> swenray: by the way, one advantage of a larger community is the possibility of support in multiple languages
1521[13:48:05] <BCMM> !fr
1522[13:48:05] <tp43_> anyone using debian 10 buster with lighttpd and mod_openssl? It doesn't restart for me, when I add ssl.engine = "enable"
1523[13:48:05] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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1526[13:48:56] <swenray> @dpkg : ThanksMerci
1527[13:49:52] <BCMM> swenray: dpkg is a bot, but it's ok to thank it anyway!
1528[13:50:04] <annadane> dpkg: botsnack
1529[13:50:04] <dpkg> annadane: :)
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1531[13:51:29] <swenray> BCMM : :D Gonna take a look at it all then , what must you think about french noob now :D !!!
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1534[13:53:11] <Minall> Hello!
1535[13:53:14] <BCMM> hi
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1537[13:53:24] <Minall> I'm on a new debian installation ... I'm having some problems...
1538[13:53:31] <Minall> BCMM: hi!
1539[13:53:36] <annadane> swenray, we were all noobs at some point. some of us still are...
1540[13:54:02] <Minall> I have no ethernet, even thought the cable works, its connected succesfuly and all other things
1541[13:54:10] <Minall> I don't know why i don't have internet
1542[13:54:32] <BCMM> i just realised that !fr factoid says "or" instead of "ou". how do you fix dpkg factoids again?
1543[13:54:48] <ooAoo> anyone have experience with dm-crypt?
1544[13:54:59] <swenray> Thx for the support Annadane :)
1545[13:55:14] <annadane> ooAoo, that's quite vague, try asking a more detailed question
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1551[13:56:55] <Minall> How can I debug this error? I have no internet access through ethernet, but it all seems to work...
1552[13:56:57] <BCMM> ooAoo: there are probably people here with dm-crypt experience, but they might not want to answer because they don't know whether they can help. you should probably ask your actual question/state your actual problem, and then wait around for a bit to see if anybody answers it
1553[13:57:29] <BCMM> in general, on IRC, you don't need to "ask to ask"
1554[13:58:11] <ooAoo> annadane: i like to install OS in the luks-encrypted partition. the setup is follow based on: LUKS on a partition (replaced-url
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1556[13:58:33] <ooAoo> i don't plan to use LVM
1557[13:58:57] <ooAoo> BCMM: :D
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1560[14:00:35] <ooAoo> when i insert the installation cd, will it ask for my luks password?
1561[14:00:40] <ooAoo> in the GUI
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1565[14:04:18] <BCMM> ooAoo: it's not very up-to-date, so don't use this as a guide, but you can see screenshots of the process here: replaced-url
1566[14:04:29] <BCMM> looks like it does indeed prompt the user to enter a password
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1569[14:05:36] <qman__> if you encrypt the root filesystem, it needs the password prior to loading the GUI - some systems have fancy framebuffers to make it look nice, others it's just the regular black terminal
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1571[14:05:57] <Minall> I'm unable to have ethernet connection with a new installation... how should I fix this?
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1576[14:11:18] <ooAoo> BCMM: installation cd usually include option to do full disk encryption now?
1577[14:11:38] <grobi> hello :)
1578[14:11:38] <BCMM> yes, at the partitioning stage
1579[14:11:48] <dvs> Minall, man 5 interfaces
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1582[14:11:59] <swenray> @grobi : Hi
1583[14:12:30] <grobi> i try to upgrade from stretch to buster according replaced-url
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1585[14:13:12] <BCMM> ooAoo: it's the "use entire disk and set up encrypted lvm" option
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1587[14:13:33] <dvs> grobi, why not use the official release notes?
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1589[14:13:45] <dvs> !release notes
1590[14:13:45] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
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1594[14:15:01] <grobi> ok thanks i thought this was the upgrade guide, sorry
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1597[14:16:14] <BCMM> grobi: that would seem to be an upgrade plan for debian's own servers, not a guide for other end-users
1598[14:17:41] <Minall> dvs: Thanks!, I'll check it
1599[14:18:08] <g0zzy> I've got a highly annoying and seemingly intractable problem with screen sleeping. I'm watching vlc on a nuc and every 15 mins the screen will blank, forcing me to go into another room and vnc to it to unblank it. I've got no screesaver and i've even used a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d containing "xset s off -dpms". Absolutely nothing works. When it blanked just now i invoked that manually and it woke it up. But that only worked
1600[14:18:08] <g0zzy> riving me nuts ...
1601[14:18:13] <tp43_> Minall, what is your ip when you do #ip addr?
1602[14:18:39] <tp43_> g0zzy, look in the settings for power management
1603[14:19:02] <g0zzy> I'm pretty sure that's all fine
1604[14:19:10] * g0zzy checking
1605[14:19:22] <tp43_> g0zzy, no, that is where the screen sleep is set
1606[14:19:30] <grobi> BCMM: uuuhhh it was the first debian.org side relating 'upgrade fromto' my websearch spit out
1607[14:19:39] <Minall> tp43_: eth0 unknown state -even though it is connected- ... 192.168.0.2/24
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1609[14:20:29] <swenray> @BCMM @annadan and others : Don't really get it : should I download all three images (debian-10.0.0-i386-DVD-1.iso, xxxx2.iso and xxxx3.iso) or just one of them ?replaced-url
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1611[14:20:32] <BCMM> g0zzy: do you have "disable screensaver" set in VLC's settings?
1612[14:20:34] <tp43_> Minall, do you have a router, looks like you are connected to internet. Can you do $ping replaced-url
1613[14:20:50] <g0zzy> Mate desktop. Never-Never in power settings
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1615[14:21:11] <BCMM> swenray: just get netinst, unless you won't have internet available during the installation
1616[14:21:30] <g0zzy> BCMM: I didn't know it had that. Does it have one of its own!?
1617[14:21:32] <BCMM> swenray: the big DVD images are for if you need to download *everything* you'll need ahead of time
1618[14:21:34] <swenray> @BCMM : okay
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1620[14:21:42] <tp43_> get the firmware version, it will install non free
1621[14:21:42] <Minall> ping google.com = Name or service not known (so I have no internet)
1622[14:21:50] <Minall> tp43_: thanks for the help btw
1623[14:22:18] <BCMM> swenray: replaced-url
1624[14:22:36] <BCMM> fits on a CD, and will download packages from the internet as needed during install
1625[14:22:36] <tp43_> Minall try $ping 2607:f8b0:400b:809::2004
1626[14:22:56] <BCMM> swenray: however: will you be using wireless internet during the installation?
1627[14:23:13] <Minall> using - nano /etc/network/interfaces will give me the interfaces config, and it does have actually auto eth0..
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1629[14:24:02] <tp43_> I can't change my system time
1630[14:24:03] <Minall> tp43_: name or service not known
1631[14:24:15] <tp43_> Minall, restart your router
1632[14:24:31] <g0zzy> Disable screensaver is set in vlc
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1634[14:24:41] <Minall> tp43_: After that it should work?
1635[14:24:53] <tp43_> Minall, yeah
1636[14:25:13] <tp43_> Minall, is anything else connected to the router, do they have internet
1637[14:25:31] <swenray> @BCMM : yes indeed
1638[14:25:34] <g0zzy> Maybe it's an hdmi thing?
1639[14:25:38] <Minall> tp43_: Yes, they do
1640[14:25:55] <Minall> I have several things connected through wifi, and one through cable and it has internet
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1644[14:26:15] <tp43_> Minall, reboot then, cause I do know the new command to restart the dhclient
1645[14:26:43] <Minall> Ok then!
1646[14:26:46] <tp43_> Minall, 192 ip address means your cable is connected to router and the router assign that IP.
1647[14:27:03] <Minall> I'll try it, I'll disconnect then!
1648[14:27:06] <Minall> Bye!
1649[14:27:14] * g0zzy has even tried 'caffeine' on this without success
1650[14:27:18] <Minall> tp43_: I'll update after restarted
1651[14:27:23] <tp43_> k
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1654[14:28:02] <BCMM> swenray: people often find that wifi doesn't work in the installer due to missing firmware. this image is available to make installing with wifi easier replaced-url
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1656[14:28:17] <BCMM> (the firmware is omitted by default because it is non-free software)
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1659[14:30:24] * g0zzy is thinking that the only way this can be solved is to invent a mechanical mouse mover
1660[14:30:40] <swenray> @BCMM : sweet, I'll come check on you when all this is good then ! A +
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1662[14:30:54] <tp43_> g0zzy, not in pwr management?
1663[14:30:59] <BCMM> swenray: oh, lastly: are you *sure* you really have 32-bit only hardware?
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1666[14:31:23] <g0zzy> tp43_: Never-Never set there (Mate)
1667[14:31:38] <BCMM> there have been a lot of people recently with "old laptops" who don't realise they have 64-bit machines
1668[14:31:50] <tp43_> g0zzy, you didn't even look. it is for me in xfce4 I remember
1669[14:31:53] <swenray> @BCMM : yeah, well I mean,
1670[14:32:28] <swenray> when I looked for it in the first place (few 5 month ago ) I had to choose right architecture
1671[14:32:28] <g0zzy> I did. See above
1672[14:32:36] <tp43_> g0zzy, screen saver?
1673[14:32:45] <g0zzy> Off, as i said
1674[14:32:47] <swenray> Wait a sec... your scaring me
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1678[14:33:28] <BCMM> swenray: you can use `cat /proc/cpuinfo` to get exact details of your CPU
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1680[14:34:45] <g0zzy> And the package: mate-screensaver-common deinstall
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1684[14:36:20] <Akuw> hi, i need to make backup for some laptops in a server
1685[14:36:53] <Akuw> i think install samba, but that way they have to copy by himself, so i like rsync, but they use windows 10 laptops
1686[14:37:08] <Akuw> what option can i use? my server uses debian
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1689[14:38:22] <tp43_> how do you restart or call renew for dhcp client in debian 10 buster?
1690[14:38:32] <swenray> @BCMM : processors 0 and 1 says "address sizes : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual" and command arch says "swenray@WhiteZone:~$ arch
1691[14:38:32] <swenray> i686
1692[14:38:32] <swenray> "
1693[14:38:40] <swenray> That's the one innit ? :D
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1696[14:39:57] <dvs> swenray, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep " lm "
1697[14:40:37] <joepublic> preemptory: No, that's a lexically useful use of cat. "uuoc" is not a thing.
1698[14:40:41] <g0zzy> Akuw: You could go Cygwin-rsync
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1701[14:42:30] <Akuw> cywin can use rsync?
1702[14:42:45] <g0zzy> Yes. The package is there
1703[14:43:14] <Akuw> then is best option?
1704[14:43:33] <g0zzy> replaced-url
1705[14:43:55] <swenray> @dvs : your command doesn't give out any entry, and the same without the quote marks gives out simply pure jibberish... but isn't the lines I gave enough ?
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1708[14:44:12] <g0zzy> I can't say what's best for you
1709[14:44:12] <dvs> swenray, so you have a 32-bit processor
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1712[14:44:45] <swenray> @dvs : haaaaan, okay
1713[14:45:06] <swenray> See you later then fine people !
1714[14:45:08] <dvs> swenray, actually, does the first part of each line say "flags: "?
1715[14:45:16] <swenray> HUmmm,
1716[14:45:49] <swenray> @dvs : Yes it does
1717[14:46:26] <g0zzy> bitness=32;grep -qoP '^flags.*\blm\b' /proc/cpuinfo >/dev/null && bitness=64;echo $bitness
1718[14:46:26] <dvs> swenray, oh, then it does support 64-bit. If you can find the phrase "lm" in that line, then it does do 64-bit
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1720[14:48:19] <swenray> @ dvs : only when I write the command like this :cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep lm
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1722[14:48:59] <swenray> @dvs : has 64bit an advantge on the 32bit version ?
1723[14:49:00] <dvs> swenray, it should work both ways but no biggie
1724[14:49:19] <jelly> swenray, yes if you have more than 3GB RAM.
1725[14:49:20] <dvs> if lm appears in the line then it does do 64-bits
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1730[14:52:11] <swenray> @dvs @jelly : I've got only 2GB RAM thing that I just bought. No biggie is enough for me then . Thanks for the learning, I see you in a bit (if it goes right ) cheers
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1740[14:58:57] <Akuw> how can i login in servers without type passwords again and again
1741[14:58:59] <Akuw> ?
1742[14:59:07] <Akuw> i know i can use public key
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1744[14:59:13] <Akuw> but is there another way?
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1748[14:59:55] <binyamin> Akuw: not a secure way
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1752[15:00:14] <greycat> Akuw: use ssh with public key authentication
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1754[15:00:36] <Akuw> yes, but althought i am root i can' t copy public key
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1756[15:00:40] <g0zzy> Never use anything else on a public-facing ssh server
1757[15:00:53] <greycat> Akuw: then FIGURE IT OUT.
1758[15:01:24] <Akuw> what is the other option?
1759[15:01:37] <Akuw> because to connect to that servers i have to use VPN
1760[15:01:42] <Akuw> are not public
1761[15:01:47] <Bushmills> Akuw, you could run access to server through a VPN, then you can run unsecure services through it. also those who you set to not or never authenticate
1762[15:01:49] <greycat> That IS the other option. You figure out what fundamental stupid newbie mistake YOU are making that prevents you from uploading your key and using it.
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1764[15:02:12] <Akuw> i am not the admin in that server
1765[15:02:21] <greycat> Then you aren't root, as you claimed to be.
1766[15:02:21] <Bushmills> oh, VPN just mentioned a few seconds ago
1767[15:02:27] <greycat> You're someone other than root.
1768[15:02:42] <Akuw> whoami is root
1769[15:02:45] <Akuw> id is 0
1770[15:02:47] <greycat> ON THE SERVER?
1771[15:02:48] <tp43_> how do you restart/reboot/shutdown in buster?
1772[15:02:51] <greycat> OR ON THE CLIENT?
1773[15:02:59] <Akuw> i can use almost any command
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1775[15:03:06] <greycat> tp43_: same as all other releases. "shutdown -r now" to reboot, etc.
1776[15:03:08] <Akuw> yes
1777[15:03:35] <greycat> Akuw: if you are UID 0 on the server, then you are root on the server, and therefore you are the admin of the server. STOP contradicting yourself.
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1779[15:04:01] <Bushmills> maybe a VPS
1780[15:04:15] <Akuw> greycat: i am telling i am root, but when try to send (copy) public key i got error
1781[15:04:27] <greycat> Sure, the "server" may be a VM guest instead of a "real server". But he'd still be admin with the guest.
1782[15:04:33] <Akuw> if i try to modify authorized_keys i got error
1783[15:04:37] <Akuw> read only
1784[15:04:52] <greycat> Akuw: Then. Figure. Out. What. You. Are. Doing. WRONG.
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1787[15:05:55] <greycat> !exact
1788[15:05:55] <dpkg> Please tell us exactly what you typed, and exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like replaced-url
1789[15:06:01] <Bushmills> admin on guest is on some VPS types still limited. like vserver kind of "VM"s, sort of chroot on steroids
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1794[15:06:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys how do i get outa this mess ? replaced-url
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1797[15:06:59] <greycat> Bushmills: sure, there are restrictions on *some* actions, like changing the system clock, or trying to run you own kernel, or loading kernel modules. But "I can't write to a file" is so ludicrously NON-SPECIFIC that we can't even SAY anything about it other than "figure it out, or show us some freaking DETAILS".
1798[15:07:05] <Akuw> should be this replaced-url
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1800[15:07:26] <greycat> oh fucking selinux... if selinux is in the picture, I'm out.
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1802[15:08:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> now i see what i did..
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1809[15:16:25] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: have you shown the output of 'lsattr .authorized_keys' on the server? have we ruled out attribute +i?
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1811[15:16:44] <greycat> He has shown us nothing, zero, nada.
1812[15:16:57] <SerajewelKS> sounds about right. he was asking for help yesterday and the story was very similar.
1813[15:17:18] <greycat> We don't know hostnames, we don't know what user he is on the client, we don't know what OPERATING SYSTEM the client and server are, we haven't seen ls -ld, we haven't seen lsattr, nothing.
1814[15:17:24] <SerajewelKS> then right when i asked him for specific output he showed only a subset of the output i asked for then suddenly had to leave
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1816[15:18:03] <greycat> And if I sound frustrated and angry, it's because this has been going on for *days*.
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1821[15:23:49] <Bushmills> it's easy to be patient if the manifestations of the problem lie with somebody else. At my end, I experience the problem only as a string of characters :)
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1823[15:24:44] <jelly> it's just different colors on a 2d matrix for me
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1825[15:25:57] <Bushmills> well said
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1834[15:29:05] <lope> I've installed mongodb-org (4.0) in debian 9 stretch after adding the mongo repo. the apt install completed successfully, and dpkg shows mongodb-org status is ii which means it's installed. However I can't find the mongo service, looking via either `systemctl list-units --all | grep mongo` or `ls /etc/init.d/` any ideas?
1835[15:31:22] <jelly> lope, it's hard to say how well someone else's packages are made. Might be the vendor forgot to run "systemctl daemon-reload". Might be there is NO service definition by default, or that there is a systemd unit template but no instance defined. Look at the package contents for something looking like a service. See if there's a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/packagename.
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1837[15:32:08] <jelly> maybe there is no sensible default for mongo and you need to configure things first, _then_ create/enable services.
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1839[15:33:13] <jelly> I'm just throwing general ideas about non-debian packages that bring services, nothing mongo specific.
1840[15:33:17] <lope> jelly, okay, I'm playing around by running the mongod daemon directly, and also checking out the syslog, there are issues I can fix. I'll start wit hthat.
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1872[16:02:15] <wwilliam> hello why would i get this?
1873[16:02:17] <wwilliam> bash: line 30: syntax error near unexpected token `st1=$(stat -c %s "$f")'
1874[16:03:01] <wwilliam> replaced-url
1875[16:03:14] <greycat> what did shellcheck say about it?
1876[16:04:06] <wwilliam> $ shellcheck myscript
1877[16:04:07] <wwilliam> No issues detected!
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1879[16:04:15] <greycat> in any case, the part of your error message inside `emacs quotes' would be a valid command if it were all by itself. So there's something *around* it or *before* it that's not right.
1880[16:05:23] <wwilliam> Ok greycat thank you.
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1883[16:09:05] <wwilliam> sorry i was missing a "do" weird shellcheck did not pick up that.
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1893[16:17:48] * g0zzy doesn't understand how st1 and st2 _could_ be different under normal circs
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1898[16:18:35] <armin> armin@xenon ~ shellcheck .bashrc | wc -l
1899[16:18:35] <armin> 194
1900[16:18:35] <armin> armin@xenon ~
1901[16:18:38] <armin> i feel bad now.
1902[16:18:52] <Habbie> that's impressive for an 8 line script!
1903[16:19:10] <armin> mine has 303 lines.
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1905[16:19:20] <Habbie> then 194 is a rookie number :D
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1907[16:19:29] <armin> also every warning shellcheck produces is 5 or 6 lines long :-)
1908[16:19:55] <armin> still, that's a lot
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1915[16:28:02] <hop> i've upgraded to buster and switched from mutt to neomutt and from screen to tmux, so i'm a bit hazy on the root cause… neomutt within a tmux session won't use $visual as long as TERM=screen. with TERM=screen-256color-bce-s it uses vi as expected
1916[16:28:13] <hop> i think everything relevant is set to default values
1917[16:28:29] <greycat> the env var VISUAL has to be all caps
1918[16:28:41] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: i talked with admin and he told me no possible to provide permission, so i can't user public key
1919[16:28:53] <greycat> or is this some neomutt config variable, not the environment variable with a similar name?
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1921[16:29:02] <hop> greycat: visual the mutt var. VISUAL is not set
1922[16:29:20] <hop> greycat: really, i should have said "neomutt uses the internal editor"
1923[16:29:27] <Akuw> then i have to use another way to not provide password to enter in every server to run my script
1924[16:29:31] <hop> .oO(if you can call it editor)
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1928[16:30:15] <asterismo_l> hi
1929[16:30:19] <asterismo_l> i have a huge music collection op mp3 files with each cover in each directory, is there any easy way to execute this command on every directory and subdirectory recursively? eyeD3 --add-image="folder.png":FRONT_COVER *.mp3
1930[16:30:25] <asterismo_l> i tried medifying several commands i found online, but i cannot get it rigth
1931[16:30:35] <Habbie> 'find' makes it easy to execute it on every file
1932[16:30:39] <Habbie> or every directory
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1934[16:31:00] <asterismo_l> i think rant replied me hours ago, but i had history scrollback disabled
1935[16:31:08] <asterismo_l> i cannot search it back
1936[16:31:25] <asterismo_l> i tried many commands using find
1937[16:31:25] <Habbie> 03:49Z <rant> asterismo_l: then this may be something you could just use gnu find for with an --exec option for the command you want to run on each file it finds
1938[16:31:29] <greycat> asterismo_l: shopt -s globstar; for d in **/; do (cd "$d" && eyeD3 ... *.mp3); done
1939[16:31:55] <asterismo_l> oh thanks
1940[16:31:56] <Habbie> nice
1941[16:31:57] <asterismo_l> greycat,
1942[16:32:16] <greycat> rant's answer looks like my FIRST attempt at an answer, before I re-read the question and realized you are running this command on each DIRECTORY not on each FILE.
1943[16:32:17] <hop> so, anyway, do i have a wrong config somewhere or is it really the default setup that is broken for tmux/neomutt/vim?
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1945[16:32:33] <hop> i haven't changed the mutt config in 20 years
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1948[16:35:49] <hop> TERM=tmux works as well
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1950[16:39:18] <SerajewelKS> i'm having display issues on buster; sometimes when locking my X session (lightdm) i will come back to a black screen
1951[16:39:29] <SerajewelKS> i can switch to a text-mode VT and restart the display manager
1952[16:39:39] <SerajewelKS> but i cannot recover my X session at this point
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1954[16:40:08] <SerajewelKS> is this a known issue with buster? i didn't have this problem on stretch.
1955[16:40:50] <humpled> on stretch i already have the problem of coming back to a blank screen, but it's fixed by switching to a tty1 and back again
1956[16:41:15] <humpled> sometimes the screen is okay but the mouse is gone, same fix
1957[16:41:30] <Soo_Slow> hello. Does anybody there use wacom one on linux? Or its better to ask on channels, related to artist's tools? Asking since I remember people having issues with older wacom tablets in past
1958[16:41:32] <SerajewelKS> unfortunately that trick doesn't work for me
1959[16:41:39] <SerajewelKS> the DM login VT is blank still
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1961[16:42:28] <SerajewelKS> okay, killing light-locker does get me back into my session. but the DM login VT is still blank.
1962[16:42:44] <SerajewelKS> is there a way to restart the login VT without terminating my session?
1963[16:43:19] <SerajewelKS> seems lightdm doesn't like something in buster
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1965[16:44:00] <SerajewelKS> nm, i got it -- killing the X server displaying the DM login causes it to auto-restart and that fixes the problem
1966[16:44:13] <SerajewelKS> bit of a pain that it's required, but at least i don't lose all of my open programs
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1968[16:44:57] <tp43_> I'm gettin funny errors with apt about firmware: kbl_guc_ver9_39.bin for module i915
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1978[16:49:43] <BCMM> tp43_: is it just a "possibly missing" warning?
1979[16:50:14] <liquid-silence> hmm if mutt could work with office 365, it would be amazing
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1981[16:50:59] <BCMM> hmm, actually that should be in Buster's firmware-misc-nonfree...
1982[16:51:13] <BCMM> tp43_: can you pastebin the exact error message?
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1984[16:51:37] <BCMM> also, what release of debian are you running, and do you have firmware-misc-nonfree installed?
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1994[16:57:59] <karlpinc> !tell Soo_Slow about anybody
1995[16:58:09] <karlpinc> Soo_Slow: If you're running debian you can ask here.
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2006[17:01:57] <Soo_Slow> karlpinc, yeah, one of my machines runs debian
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2018[17:05:41] <tp43_> BCMM, it does give much error info, just fails to restart
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2020[17:07:04] <tp43_> BCMM, has o installation candidate(firmware-mics-nonfree)
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2088[17:48:04] <cbthree> Can anyone recommend me a cheap usb soundcard that works out of the box? That is no need to install extra firmware or messy configuration
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2103[17:54:01] <wwilliam> what is this mean in a for loop for (( ; ; ))
2104[17:54:28] <greycat> !tias
2105[17:54:28] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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2108[17:56:47] <Akuw_> infinite loop
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2110[17:56:52] <Akuw_> wwilliam
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2112[17:57:17] <SerajewelKS> "while true" but without creating a useless process each iteration, basically
2113[17:57:33] <greycat> You can tell just looking at it, that it will either loop 0 times, or infinity times, and then you can test to see which one it is.
2114[17:58:06] <wwilliam> Thank you all I google could not find.
2115[17:58:16] <hop> google makes you stupid
2116[17:58:17] <greycat> Why would you google that?
2117[17:58:36] <wwilliam> never saw (( ; ; ))
2118[17:59:13] <Akuw_> good to read a serial port
2119[17:59:18] <Akuw_> to get data
2120[18:00:16] <rant> greycat: I wasn't aware you could do something like that.. I figured find each file, use dir/base name as needed. I'll have to look into that I wasnt aware you could glob in a way that would insure total recursion
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2124[18:00:49] <hop> wwilliam: `man bash` around line 310
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2127[18:01:36] <hop> sadly `help for` doesn't explain it
2128[18:01:40] <greycat> rant: it *can* be done by iterating over each mp3 file, backtracking to its container directory, skipping if this container has already been processed. But that's less ideal.
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2134[18:02:38] <greycat> hop: help 'for (('
2135[18:02:43] <greycat> admittedly NOT obvious
2136[18:02:53] <hop> greycat: no, definitely not
2137[18:03:12] <hop> greycat: the `((` for `for` is a different beast
2138[18:03:35] <hop> greycat: cf. `(( ; ))` being a syntax error, etc
2139[18:03:47] <greycat> I didn't know the "If any expression is omitted..." part.
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2141[18:04:24] <greycat> When I want an infinite loop, I use while true.
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2144[18:05:41] <hop> greycat: oh, wait, sorry. `help 'for (('`. indeed! frickin' screen corruption in tmux
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2154[18:09:43] <Akuw_> diferent ways to kill a PIOJO
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2157[18:11:14] <hop> that sounds only slightly less disturbing than skinning cats
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2168[18:15:42] <diogenes_> kde vulnerability found.
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2179[18:22:43] <rant> you hear that sound..
2180[18:23:05] <rant> thats the sound of how much anyone cares about KDE :P
2181[18:23:26] <rant> this is why there is a #debian-kde on OFTC cause we're not the kinda folk who use that
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2184[18:24:24] <bugaloo> hey everyone. does anyone uses prelink here? all the tutorials says to run "prelink -amR", but what if I want to accelerate only one specific app, like firefox or chrome? Is there a way to prelink only those specific libraries?
2185[18:24:40] <rant> ,file prelink
2186[18:24:46] <judd> Search for prelink in buster/amd64: prelink: etc/cron.daily/prelink, etc/default/prelink, usr/sbin/prelink, usr/share/lintian/overrides/prelink; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/prelink
2187[18:24:48] <diogenes_> rant, are you the official speaker for the entire community? :)
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2189[18:25:24] <rant> diogenes_: I speak from over 15 years experience in here :P
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2191[18:25:31] <whislock> Translated: No.
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2194[18:26:19] <rant> you'll notice nobody showed any concern
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2196[18:27:22] <whislock> Not visibly.
2197[18:27:56] <whislock> You have no idea what someone may have done outside of this channel in response. You are neither omnipresent nor omniscient. And you certainly aren't the ordained speaker for every Debian user, or even every user in this channel.
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2199[18:28:20] <whislock> If you're not concerned, that's fine. Don't be concerned. But don't be an arrogant git about it, either.
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2201[18:28:34] <rant> I'm not the one carrying on about it
2202[18:29:12] <bugaloo> rant, you're trying to be funny? or you're just an idiot? :)
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2204[18:29:35] <g0zzy> This laptop has suddenly going to a flashing caret on the black screen after completing boot and taking quite some time to get the desktop up. What could be the prob?
2205[18:31:00] <rant> g0zzy: try systemd-analyze blame
2206[18:31:10] <karlpinc> g0zzy: The logs may tell you.
2207[18:32:27] <greycat> If the greeter (dm) eventually *does* come up, it could be hardware, or it could be boottime entropy starvation. Or just a file system check took a really long time.
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2209[18:33:21] <BCMM> does booting with "quiet
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2211[18:33:32] <BCMM> (sorry for enter) does booting with "quiet" hide fsck?
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2213[18:34:18] <greycat> Not sure. I *think* you see the final result but not the ongoing progress?
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2216[18:34:57] <g0zzy> I'll try an analyse thanks
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2219[18:36:19] <tarzeau> i'm trying to make something like omgubuntu, but for debian. ok to ask in here? it shall be from users for users: replaced-url
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2241[18:47:27] <jhutchins_wk> There is already a Debian wiki.
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2243[18:47:57] <greycat> It might help if we had any idea what "omgubuntu" was.
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2249[18:48:56] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Remember when "*planet" web sites were all the rage? It's like that.
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2251[18:49:57] <tarzeau> greycat: replaced-url
2252[18:50:16] <tarzeau> jhutchins_wk: they guy is also present on twitter & reddit
2253[18:50:38] <greycat> Slashdot with more pictures?
2254[18:51:06] <tarzeau> actually more like fyvm (no more online, archive): replaced-url
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2270[19:07:10] <Akuw_> i ahve a loop that connect to 3 host to run 3 commands
2271[19:07:15] <Akuw_> have*
2272[19:07:31] <Akuw_> how can i run 3 commands inside look for every ssh connection
2273[19:08:01] <pasiz> do you mean loop?
2274[19:08:07] <greycat> What language are you writing in? Expect, or bash, or something else?
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2279[19:09:39] <Akuw_> bash
2280[19:09:40] <pasiz> in bash you could use &&
2281[19:10:09] <greycat> for h in host1 host2 host3; do ssh "$h" 'command 1; command 2; command 3'; done
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2286[19:10:50] <greycat> using && instead of ; would mean that command 2 only runs if command 1 worked, and so on
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2288[19:10:59] <Akuw_> ok
2289[19:11:00] <greycat> where "worked" means exited with a zero status
2290[19:11:02] <Akuw_> let me test
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2295[19:12:24] <Akuw_> this is my loop replaced-url
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2297[19:12:41] <Akuw_> i have host in an array
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2300[19:13:11] <Bushmills> Akuw_: i'd say s @hosts x "command1; command2: command3" # (with "hosts" being a group of those remote machines)
2301[19:13:57] <Bushmills> but that needed some preconditions, won't do by default with what you have installed
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2304[19:14:26] <hop> and get yourself a few ssh keys
2305[19:14:33] <Akuw_> to avoid to put all commands in a same line
2306[19:14:46] <Bushmills> (command translates to "signal @hosts execute "commands")
2307[19:14:53] <Akuw_> hop: admin told no way, so i have to use that
2308[19:15:02] <Akuw_> is not secure but i dont have more options
2309[19:15:19] <hop> Akuw_: like, fire the admin?
2310[19:15:26] <Akuw_> hehehehe
2311[19:15:33] <Akuw_> well
2312[19:15:33] <hop> seriously, incompetent
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2315[19:16:07] <hop> criminally so
2316[19:16:12] <hop> i can't even
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2323[19:19:42] <g0zzy> An admin that would rather use password auth than place public keys on the server??
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2325[19:20:02] <greycat> who won't even *allow* a user to place public keys on the server
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2327[19:20:44] <greycat> My mental image just keeps coming up Joseph Stalin.
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2329[19:21:41] <g0zzy> Could be more like Stan Laurel
2330[19:22:05] <rant> what would be the opposite of an admin.. a demin.. a conmin...
2331[19:22:06] <greycat> I keep assuming sinister, sadistic, not ignorant.
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2333[19:22:27] <greycat> Maybe that's wrong of me, because they keep saying "always assume ignorance", but damn.
2334[19:22:44] <greycat> There's normal ignorance, but then there's "I keep asking and they keep saying no".
2335[19:23:12] <hop> sadistic would be allowing pubkey, but only 8192 bit rsa or some such headache
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2337[19:23:33] <hop> this is plain stupidity
2338[19:24:05] <tarzeau> greycat: Joseph Stallone vs Vladimir Lennon?
2339[19:24:24] <Bushmills> two factor ssh auth comes to mind
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2341[19:24:43] * g0zzy seems to remember there's an app for that: adminning to several sshds simultaneously
2342[19:24:55] <rant> ,i clusterssh
2343[19:24:56] <judd> Package clusterssh (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: administer multiple ssh or rsh shells simultaneously. Version: 4.13.2-2; Size: 152.4k; Installed: 472k; Homepage: replaced-url
2344[19:24:56] <hop> cssh
2345[19:25:03] <hop> but that's interactive
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2348[19:25:17] <geek1011> ansible?
2349[19:25:19] <rant> ,i ansible
2350[19:25:20] <judd> Package ansible (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Configuration management, deployment, and task execution system. Version: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; Size: 3865.2k; Installed: 33752k; Homepage: replaced-url
2351[19:25:40] <hop> they don't allow ssh pubkeys. how much chance is there of getting ansible installed?
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2353[19:26:09] <geek1011> ansible is all client-side
2354[19:26:39] <geek1011> and you can put the password in a variable or provide an askpass program
2355[19:26:40] <hop> ah. i'm a salt user
2356[19:27:03] <Bushmills> but if there's openvpn already anyway, one can tunnel about anything one wants through it, to a remote service one choose or even builds himself
2357[19:27:05] <hop> geek1011: don't do that?
2358[19:27:23] * geek1011 doesn't do that myself
2359[19:27:28] <Bushmills> including remote execution of commands passed through vpn
2360[19:27:42] <hop> how did we land at vpn?
2361[19:27:51] <Bushmills> previous discussion
2362[19:28:02] <Bushmills> thread isn't just a few hours old
2363[19:28:03] <greycat> Akuw_ who is asking this question has also been asking how to automate a VPN connection so he doesn't have to type his password.
2364[19:28:39] <hop> how depressing
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2367[19:31:00] <Bushmills> other tems used were "frustrating" and "angry"
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2400[19:52:31] <alkisg> Akuw_: we've developed a program called epoptes.org; it allows a sysadmin to see all the connected clients, even with thumbnails if he wanst to, and select the ones he wants with the mouse, and execute commands on them either as user or as root via a dialog
2401[19:52:32] <alkisg> It's using openssl for its connections so the commands are safe. Dunno if it suits your needs; have a look.
2402[19:52:47] <alkisg> ,i epoptes
2403[19:52:48] <judd> Package epoptes (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Computer lab management tool. Version: 1.0.1-2; Size: 177.8k; Installed: 1837k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2426[20:06:15] <randomnick> I like to extract the HTTP header from a complete HTTP-Session with sed but I am to stupid for. Can anybody help me please?
2427[20:06:33] <geek1011> Don't you want grep?
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2431[20:07:38] <greycat> randomnick: ... just stop at the first empty line?
2432[20:07:47] <randomnick> yes
2433[20:07:53] <greycat> '/^$/d'
2434[20:07:56] <greycat> err
2435[20:07:58] <greycat> '/^$/q'
2436[20:08:09] <mackerel449> how do i build a module that isn't shipped with the stock kernel?
2437[20:08:26] <randomnick> thank you, buits not really emtpy. the may be a \r\n in
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2440[20:09:28] <greycat> tr -d \\r | sed '/^$/q'
2441[20:09:38] <hop> *twitch*
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2443[20:09:44] <greycat> There, no more carriage returns.
2444[20:10:06] <geek1011> Maybe something like: sed -n -e 's/^Header-Name:$.*$$/\1/p' -e '/^$/q'
2445[20:10:21] <geek1011> That will find the value of Header-Name and then quit at a blank line.
2446[20:10:28] <pasiz> mackerel449: adding it to kernel source directory and configure kernel?
2447[20:11:12] <randomnick> geek1011, the headers can be random, so i need all til the body
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2449[20:12:16] <hop> randomnick: where do you get the request from in the first place?
2450[20:12:25] <hop> response, really
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2452[20:12:44] <geek1011> randomnick: sed '/^[[:space:]]*$/q'
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2456[20:14:39] <randomnick> I get it nerly perfect. sed '/^$\r$*$/q' but the empty line is still in.
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2458[20:15:08] <jhutchins_wk> alkisg: Is that available for RH compatible systems?
2459[20:15:10] <greycat> those  sevre no purpose
2460[20:15:29] <geek1011> Maybe the ! operator might be useful
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2463[20:16:29] <greycat> | is not valid in sed's BREs by default
2464[20:16:39] <greycat> it's just a literal pipe character in BRE
2465[20:16:56] <greycat> also, why in the hell would you need | in a BRE to detect an optional carriage return in an otherwise empty line
2466[20:16:57] <geek1011> That's an exclamation mark
2467[20:16:57] <pasiz> easiest would be curl -I replaced-url
2468[20:16:59] <randomnick> geek1011, how do I use it?
2469[20:17:07] <geek1011> It selects lines not matching
2470[20:17:14] <pasiz> no need for sed or fuzzing with newlines
2471[20:17:20] <geek1011> So you could probably use multiple expressions with the -e argument
2472[20:17:33] <geek1011> One to quit after blank, one to select the non-blank lines
2473[20:17:39] <greycat> pasiz: I have the feeling it's "too late", he already captured the full session, and now he's post-processing the logged result
2474[20:17:54] <greycat> pasiz: otherwise, you're absolutely correct, it's a gigantic X-Y problem
2475[20:17:56] * geek1011 agrees
2476[20:18:14] <hop> .oO(curl -D headers.txt ...)
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2478[20:18:32] <alkisg> jhutchins_wk: a guy packaged it in rpm for opensuse a few years ago; I think the rpm worked in fedora/rhel/centos too
2479[20:18:55] <randomnick> hop, is a file not a pipe from curl
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2481[20:19:10] <jhutchins_wk> alkisg: Didn't realize it was GUI based, not what we need.
2482[20:19:29] <jhutchins_wk> We do need to check out clusterssh though, that might be handly. Mostly we just uses ansible now.
2483[20:19:33] <hop> randomnick: see above
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2486[20:19:53] <jhutchins_wk> We had been using SuperPutty, but it has quirks and isn't under current development.
2487[20:20:15] <Akuw_> how to find last file created?
2488[20:20:40] <petn-randall> Akuw_: `ls -ltr`?
2489[20:20:42] <greycat> Akuw_: /msg greybot rlart
2490[20:20:46] <alkisg> jhutchins_wk: I've used clusterssh before developing epoptes; it was fine for a few clients; for more, it was rather hard to keep track of the little terminals it spawned
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2492[20:21:04] <greycat> or simply "ls -lart" if you need the regular non-recursive version, which I should not have assumed you already knew
2493[20:21:09] <randomnick> ok, will try a bit. Thanks to all who helping me.
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2497[20:25:50] <Akuw_> then should be "ls -lart | tail -n -2 | head -1"
2498[20:26:10] <Akuw_> because first command order older to new
2499[20:26:10] <greycat> you... wanted... the SECOND oldest file?
2500[20:26:40] <Akuw_> the last created
2501[20:26:44] <greycat> !ctime
2502[20:26:44] <dpkg> UNIX does *not* store the creation time of files. Anywhere. You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode (metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc. NEWSFLASH: ext4 stores creation times after all, ask me about <crtime>.
2503[20:27:14] <Akuw_> the thing is i have to take the last created
2504[20:27:16] <greycat> crtime or birthtime is a WHOLE different planet of pain. There are approximately negative one tools that can handle it.
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2506[20:27:46] * greycat scrolls up... yeah, OK, you *did* say created originally. Our bad.
2507[20:27:59] <diogenes_> greycat, how do you memorize all those bot scripts?
2508[20:28:04] <greycat> I guess petn-randall and I both thought "He's just confused, he means modified."
2509[20:28:09] <greycat> I don't.
2510[20:28:14] <greycat> I just figured there had to be a ctime factoid.
2511[20:28:22] <greycat> greybot has one also.
2512[20:28:25] <dvs> diogenes_, augmentation ;-)
2513[20:28:28] <diogenes_> heh
2514[20:28:38] <Akuw_> my script ill take the last log created adn do something
2515[20:28:48] <greycat> Good freaking LUCK with that.
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2517[20:28:54] <Akuw_> but if somebody modify any file the script is lost
2518[20:28:59] <greycat> You are going to need ALL the luck.
2519[20:29:20] <greycat> Or, learn something. Stop relying on luck, and start doing things correctly.
2520[20:29:48] <Akuw_> i am just looking the right way
2521[20:29:54] <Akuw_> for that reason i am asking
2522[20:29:54] <greycat> !wayttd
2523[20:29:54] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do?
2524[20:30:18] <Akuw_> dpkg: i have to do ls inside a dir and take the last one created
2525[20:30:18] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Akuw_
2526[20:30:25] <greycat> !xy
2527[20:30:25] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
2528[20:30:32] <greycat> What are you TRYING TO DO.
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2530[20:30:49] <dvs> Akuw_, what are you going to do with the last log created?
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2533[20:30:59] <kreyren> how do i fix this on livedvd ? replaced-url
2534[20:31:10] <Akuw_> just take the name of file and compare with another value
2535[20:31:22] <Akuw_> but i need the last created
2536[20:31:25] <greycat> I'm done. No more of this. *plonk*
2537[20:31:46] <greycat> Three days of tooth pulling. ENOUGH.
2538[20:31:54] <Ede|Popede> in /var/log? just loop over the index.
2539[20:31:56] <diogenes_> kreyren, No space left on device
2540[20:32:28] <annadane> Akuw_, dpkg is just a bot, no point replying to it...
2541[20:32:38] <Akuw_> no, is a custom log files
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2544[20:33:32] <Ede|Popede> they are not related to each other? or how are you able not to overwrute existing versions?
2545[20:34:38] <kreyren> diogenes_: device has 6,1G available
2546[20:34:53] <Ede|Popede> "crtime"? were they running out of letters?
2547[20:35:24] <diogenes_> kreyren, it still complains about space.
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2549[20:36:01] <greycat> Ede|Popede: GNU find uses "birth", and is one of the very few tools that can do *anything* at all with it, and even then it's janky as hell
2550[20:36:04] <kreyren> diogenes_: it complains because said path is part of overlay that is mounted as read only
2551[20:36:20] <greycat> B The birth time of the file reference
2552[20:36:25] <kreyren> ideally if dpkg had the ability to change the path i guess
2553[20:37:15] <diogenes_> kreyren, maybe if you had used persistence.
2554[20:37:39] <Ede|Popede> at least it keeps the 1-letter-scheme up. gotta try to see what the example in <crtime> actually does accasionally.
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2556[20:37:50] <kreyren> tried that already and it didn't work assuming that you mean parsing persistence_path for this file in kernel cmdline
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2558[20:38:24] <greycat> Yeah, the crtime factoid illustrates just how incredibly awful this is.
2559[20:38:29] <diogenes_> for me persistence works perfectly, installed a ton of packages, no issues.
2560[20:38:39] <Ede|Popede> even having "change" and "modification" is kinda confusing in the beginning.
2561[20:38:48] <Akuw_> ok
2562[20:38:55] <kreyren> diogenes_: Why doesn't it work for me then? O.o
2563[20:39:22] <diogenes_> kreyren, because i don't know how you created that persistence :)
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2565[20:40:02] <kreyren> diogenes_: debian unofficial livedvd booted with toram option and then configured to install packages and stuff
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2567[20:40:45] <diogenes_> kreyren, no clue about tat method, i shared with you the method that worked for me.
2568[20:40:50] <diogenes_> that*
2569[20:41:18] <kreyren> diogenes_: elaborate your method then i try to adapt it
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2571[20:42:24] <diogenes_> kreyren, here: replaced-url
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2573[20:42:40] <g0zzy> greycat: "find: This system does not provide a way to find the birth time of a file." "/dev/sda2 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)" Why not?
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2576[20:45:16] <kreyren> diogenes_: ah i see i didn't investigate it yet thinking that i could fix it at runtime O.o (i know nothing about this configuration yet)
2577[20:45:24] <kreyren> will try now then
2578[20:45:32] <Habbie> g0zzy, many filesystems to not store that time
2579[20:45:44] <greycat> ext4 stores it, but there's no sane way to *get* it
2580[20:46:03] <g0zzy> Ah right, thanks
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2588[20:48:00] <greycat> replaced-url
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2608[21:01:50] <lope> How can I get a newer version of FF on Buster that gets automatic updates?
2609[21:02:36] <lope> Firefox ESR is version 60, current version is 67 or whatever
2610[21:03:03] <lope> I'm guessing there are no backports yet.
2611[21:03:04] <mackerel449> nah, you have to wait till 60 is EOL, then you get 67
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2613[21:04:14] <greycat> ,v firefox-esrt
2614[21:04:15] <judd> No package named 'firefox-esrt' was found in amd64.
2615[21:04:15] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
2616[21:04:16] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.7.2esr-1; jessie-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 60.8.0esr-1; sid:
2617[21:04:17] <judd> 60.8.0esr-1
2618[21:04:25] <greycat> Current firefox-esr is 60.8.
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2621[21:05:21] <greycat> It receives security updates if there are any. It'll be replaced by firefox-esr 68.x when 60.x loses upstream support, somewhere around October if memory serves. I could look it up.
2622[21:06:04] <mackerel449> there wasn't any backports for stretch, i doubt buster will get any, on buster you had to wait till the old ESR EOL'd
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2625[21:06:29] <lope> no worries. will install FF dev edition
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2633[21:11:35] <rain2> hey
2634[21:11:48] <rain2> when i open chromium it says some stuff about keyring, can i disable that?
2635[21:12:36] <diogenes_> rain2, you can setup just a blank password there and it won't show up again.
2636[21:13:22] <rain2> thanks!
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2639[21:13:57] <diogenes_> yw
2640[21:15:28] <karlpinc> diogenes_: What about if you don't want to put anything in the keyring? (I've been closing that dialog for forever it seems.)
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2644[21:16:32] <diogenes_> karlpinc, that is what means a blank password, you just hit tab twice and enter to unlock and that's it.
2645[21:16:46] <diogenes_> and it will warn you that setting up a blank password bla bla bla
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2649[21:17:59] <Akuw_> how can i comment various lines i bash?
2650[21:18:16] <hop> Akuw_: come again?
2651[21:18:30] <Akuw_> what is the problem?
2652[21:18:37] <g0zzy> Why are you bashing lines?
2653[21:18:46] <hop> Akuw_: i don't understand what you are saying
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2656[21:19:04] <Akuw_> mn i have an array and i am testing so i need to comment
2657[21:19:06] <hop> Akuw_: "comment several lines in bash" perhaps?
2658[21:19:06] <alkisg> probably meant "in bash" :)
2659[21:19:06] <Akuw_> just that
2660[21:19:11] <Akuw_> in bash
2661[21:19:13] <Akuw_> sorry
2662[21:19:13] <mackerel449> you mean multiple lines? for single lines its #
2663[21:19:16] <Akuw_> yes
2664[21:19:26] <Akuw_> : ' ' doesnt work
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2666[21:19:36] <karlpinc> diogenes_: Thanks.
2667[21:19:37] <hop> Akuw_: why would it?
2668[21:19:48] <g0zzy> afaik bash doesn't support multiline comments
2669[21:19:54] <Akuw_> i am reading some in google
2670[21:19:58] <hop> Akuw_: prefix every line with #
2671[21:20:06] <Akuw_> damm
2672[21:20:12] <alkisg> one quick "hack" is to put: true <<"EOF" <lines here> EOF
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2674[21:20:19] <alkisg> It's of limited use, but sometimes handy
2675[21:20:27] <hop> get a better editor
2676[21:20:30] <mackerel449> use an editor that can do it for you
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2678[21:20:47] <karlpinc> diogenes_: I thought setting up a blank password means that a password is not required to get into the keyring, not that the keyring is unused.
2679[21:20:47] <diogenes_> or marcos in vim
2680[21:21:08] <diogenes_> macros*
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2682[21:21:38] <karlpinc> A real editor will have macros, which mitigates the multi-line comment issue.
2683[21:21:56] <hop> yeah, i was wondering what philippine dictators had to do with anything ;)
2684[21:22:05] <diogenes_> karlpinc, there is also a method to autounlock it with pam.d but it never worked for me or didn't put too much effort to make it work.
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2686[21:22:25] <diogenes_> hop, lol
2687[21:22:30] <Troyka> ola
2688[21:22:42] <Casper26> Anyone know why installing steam would cause plymouth to break?
2689[21:23:07] <diogenes_> Casper26, that's unheard of.
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2691[21:23:20] <karlpinc> diogenes_: I don't want a keyring, period. Putting a blank password in just means that no password is needed to access the keyring content.
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2693[21:23:34] <karlpinc> diogenes_: Or at least that's what the warning in the "blah blah blah" says.
2694[21:23:41] <diogenes_> yeah
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2696[21:24:01] <karlpinc> So I guess I'm stuck just closing the dialog every time.
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2699[21:24:16] <diogenes_> karlpinc, no it won't show up.
2700[21:24:51] <karlpinc> diogenes_: The keyring will show up. It just won't prompt for a password.
2701[21:25:17] <diogenes_> karlpinc, try it, for me it doesn't show up once i set blank.
2702[21:25:41] <karlpinc> diogenes_: But it still puts your passwords in the keyring. I don't want passwords put into the keyring.
2703[21:25:58] <Casper26> it was working fine until i installed steam and its dependencies after reboot now plymouth shows grey background with 3 white dots also after logging in i have to ctrl alt f1 and then ctrl alt f7 to get to desktop this is xfce
2704[21:26:10] <karlpinc> diogenes_: I might try it. But figuring out how to un-try-it is not something I want to have to go through.
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2706[21:26:15] <diogenes_> karlpinc, it doesn't put any password, it's blank that's why it does't prompt you for the password.
2707[21:26:35] <karlpinc> diogenes_: The purpose of the keyring is to store passwords, yes?
2708[21:26:47] <jmcnaught> chromium(1) mentions a --password-store that can be set to basic (unencrypted) but that seems worse than using gnome keyring
2709[21:26:50] <diogenes_> to store or to disable it.
2710[21:27:44] <karlpinc> diogenes_: Well, the warning does not say it won't store passwords. The warning says that no password will be needed to get to the stored passwords. I don't want it store passwords at all.
2711[21:28:30] <Casper26> this is the command that fixed steam broke plymouth apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
2712[21:28:35] <diogenes_> the keyring inventors didn't think of a proper solution on how to disable it properly so that's what they came up with, setting up blank won't prompt you and that's what i know works for me and for tens of people i install linux for,t aht's what i can tell, i'm not a dev.
2713[21:28:58] <hop> come on, chromium has to have a setting for "never save passwords", no?
2714[21:29:09] <mackerel449> Casper26: i recommend installing steam via flatpak, way less hassle
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2716[21:29:22] <jmcnaught> chromium does have a toggle for "offer to save passwords"
2717[21:29:33] <karlpinc> hop: Dunno. Might. I set the preferences long ago. I'll look again.
2718[21:29:40] <hop> chrome does
2719[21:31:23] <karlpinc> I see no such setting. Unless I'm looking in the wrong place. (I'm also still on stretch.)
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2721[21:31:52] <hop> karlpinc: doesn't chromium have a search function there?
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2724[21:33:30] <karlpinc> hop: Yes. Found it under "autofill" (not "security"). I have it turned off. But then why does it prompt me for a keyring if it is not going to use it? (So, better safe than sorry, I always dissmiss the dialog.)
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2728[21:34:04] <hop> karlpinc: at that point, who cares
2729[21:34:24] <hop> karlpinc: if you don't save passwords, the store might as well be unencrypted
2730[21:34:37] <mackerel449> karlpinc: i only had the dialog pop up with autologin enabled
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2732[21:34:58] <hop> that would be even better, but still
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2735[21:36:21] <karlpinc> It does look like I have autologin enabled. (I don't know why. Some sites I trust, and are very low risk.) Let me turn that off.
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2737[21:37:31] <karlpinc> mackerel449: Nope. Disabling auto-login does not make the dialog go away. (Maybe I should upgrade to buster. :-)
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2739[21:38:04] <mackerel449> actually im referring to autologin with gnome
2740[21:38:07] <hop> remove the store files
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2742[21:38:31] <karlpinc> hop: That would be the way.
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2744[21:39:17] <karlpinc> hop: While I'm at it, I could make sure it starts in "private window" mode. For the hot minute, I'm lazy and will continue closing the dialog.
2745[21:39:19] <hop> it's probably asking because they are there from before
2746[21:40:13] <hop> private mode does not prevent autofilling
2747[21:40:25] <karlpinc> hop: I'll try. But I've never setup a keyring. I've always just closed the dialog. Where would the files be?
2748[21:40:35] <karlpinc> hop: Right.
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2751[21:41:29] <hop> i use neither chrome* nor linux on the desktop, sorry
2752[21:42:35] <karlpinc> Well, there is no ~/.chromium And ~/.gnome2/keyrings/ is empty. And ~/gnome2_private/ is empty.
2753[21:43:28] <hop> so just set one up with an empty password and be done with it
2754[21:43:40] <hop> still don't get why the obvious thing shouldn't work
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2757[21:45:39] <karlpinc> hop: It might. But I'm still smarting over the way upgrades to firefox reset my default search settings. So I'm not particularly full of trust and I'm too lazy right now to verify.
2758[21:46:23] <karlpinc> (And yes, chromium != firefox, but....)
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2765[21:48:00] <hop> all software is <excrement>
2766[21:48:38] <annadane> sigh web browsers...
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2768[21:48:54] * geek1011 is worrying about the thunderstorm right now
2769[21:48:59] <jhutchins_wk> Sturgeon's law.
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2772[21:50:06] <hop> sturgeon is some 10% too lenient
2773[21:50:11] <hop> some might say 90%
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2777[21:50:47] <greycat> /msg greybot crap
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2780[21:51:18] <annadane> yeah and debian tutorials
2781[21:51:46] <Abdullah> tutorials?
2782[21:52:00] <annadane> debian advice on the internet can be pretty hit and miss
2783[21:52:44] <annadane> and will blow up your debian install depending on which website you consult for advice
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2787[21:54:37] <Abdullah> do they blong to debian project? I mean the websites?
2788[21:55:31] <annadane> i'm just talking about any random website that has advice related to how to do things on debian, you need to not blindly trust things
2789[21:55:36] <alkisg> karlpinc: if you don't want to save passwords, there's an option in preferences. If you want to save them unencrypted, you press enter and create a black keyring. If you want them encrypted, you put pass in keyring. Are you searching for "alternative implementation to store passwords that doesn't use keyring"?
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2791[21:55:57] <geek1011> I find the Arch wiki is the best for reference. Not too much is different from a modern Debian system.
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2793[21:56:02] <annadane> if in doubt check the debian wiki or ask in irc or something
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2795[21:56:23] <annadane> yeah or the arch wiki, with the caveat that it's arch and not everything is applicable
2796[21:56:40] <Abdullah> I don't think I ever read an installation guide except my first archlinux days.
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2798[21:57:50] <Abdullah> I install debian and its graphical installer made me confused so I got a shell
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2800[21:58:25] <Abdullah> btw debian installer doesn't need you to read some instruction I think.
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2803[22:00:00] <Abdullah> The only bad thing happened, I got 3 partitions, it didn't deleted my UFI partition. so I have to delete that ext2 partition.
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2805[22:01:10] <Abdullah> I didn't know how to delete that partition from graphical install. Things were messy once I did something to overcome it.
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2826[22:10:23] <bigMouthCommie> still on debian 9. i cant seem to get liferea to update the preferred external browser to anything but x-replaced-url
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2858[22:36:08] <dlelf> hi, anyone has used buster on hp g8s ?
2859[22:36:27] <dlelf> I'm having a really weird issue... maybe related to kernel but not sure where to start right now
2860[22:37:15] <azeem> start by explaining what your issue is
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2868[22:43:32] <dlelf> so, on a bunch of new debian buster installs I have very slow upload speeds. Any ideas ? I've downgraded the kernel to stretch kernel ( 4.9.0 ) and still stuck with 4MB/s uploads
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2876[22:45:53] <Habbie> dlelf, and you should be getting way faster uploads?
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2881[22:47:04] <dlelf> Habbie: yes, look
2882[22:47:23] <dlelf> Hobby_boy: We use them for running vms on top of KVM . I have vms running stretch for example that do upload speeds 1gbps although the barebone one reports 4MB/s using the same WAN interface lol
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2888[22:50:15] <dlelf> s/Hobby_boy/Habbie
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2890[22:52:04] <Habbie> dlelf, are you measuring over a long distance, with high latency? or something nearby?
2891[22:53:03] <dlelf> Habbie: I started debugging by fetching with curl and ended up testing with speedtest-cli from a specific nearby server
2892[22:53:42] <Habbie> hmmmm
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2894[22:53:49] <Habbie> i don't have an idea right away, sorry
2895[22:53:51] <Habbie> lots of moving parts in this story
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2900[22:55:07] <dlelf> Looks like something related to buster but if we exclude the kernel which i just downgraded I dont see what ?
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2902[22:56:03] <Habbie> sysctl settings? glibc?
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2904[22:56:38] <dlelf> maybe tg3 firmware? I didnt downgrade that yet but it still doesnt make sense
2905[22:56:45] <dlelf> Habbie: all defaults
2906[22:56:59] <jhutchins_wk> Habbie: Disk IO has a big effect on transmission speed.
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2908[22:57:16] <Habbie> jhutchins_wk, if it does, you're measuring wrong, but it's a good point to make
2909[22:57:17] <rant> hmm I seen someone else mention this a few days ago, but I'm getting these two lines spewed to my Xorg log in Buster every tenth of a second.. "(EE) modeset(0): Failed to get GBM bo for flip to new front. (EE) modeset(0): present flip failed
2910[22:57:39] <rant> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b)
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2912[22:57:59] <dlelf> speedtest-cli doesnt save anything locally
2913[22:58:18] <Habbie> but curl would, by default
2914[22:58:27] <dlelf> yeah i didnt save it
2915[22:58:45] <rant> I have no real issues that I can see, but the fact that it started 37 seconds after X started and is spewing those two lines 10 times a second, thats 1200 lines writing to a log every minute
2916[22:59:37] <rant> the log is currently 30MB and growing
2917[23:00:31] <rant> 97M /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
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2919[23:01:19] <enri> night night
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2924[23:06:18] <robjert> rant: symlink log to /dev/null so it doesn't save it. Problem solved
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2928[23:08:35] <rant> robjert: :D I think I'm gonna look into it and fix it instead :P
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2931[23:09:38] <robjert> At my old job, they liked to re-use old machines for new devs, so I got someone's old dev box. Did a little digging and found /var/log/httpd/error.log to be 30GB large
2932[23:10:06] <robjert> So, don't forgetabouit
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2949[23:21:06] <Ede|Popede> no logrotate?
2950[23:21:32] <CaptainDusty> Ede|Popede: My thoughts exactly.
2951[23:21:37] <CaptainDusty> Perhaps it was a test.
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2953[23:22:42] <Ede|Popede> about maximum filesize maybe? /proc/kcore would answer the question ;)
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2955[23:23:56] <Habbie> 128T
2956[23:23:58] <Habbie> that's something else!
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2959[23:25:05] <Sleaker> was there a prepackaged latest firefox deb?
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2961[23:25:27] <Sleaker> ex firefox 68
2962[23:25:41] <Sleaker> ,v firefox-esr
2963[23:25:42] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.7.2esr-1; jessie-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 60.8.0esr-1; sid:
2964[23:25:43] <judd> 60.8.0esr-1
2965[23:25:52] <rant> I think my issue is probably related to KMS, and disabiling modesetting or forcing use of the intel driver would probably resolve the issue.. gonna look into it
2966[23:26:31] <Sleaker> ,v firefox
2967[23:26:32] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 68.0.1-2
2968[23:26:38] <Sleaker> oh, sid has latest. interesting
2969[23:27:33] <rant> debian updates these things, but it'll be awhile yet before the new update is made
2970[23:27:47] <Sleaker> well there's a difference between -esr and mainline iirc
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2972[23:28:31] <Sleaker> oh, 68 is an esr candidate
2973[23:28:59] <Sleaker> does sid always track the main firefox release.
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2977[23:30:44] <coruja> Sleaker, it does, unstable tracks current release, stable the esr release (as kind of compromise)
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2979[23:30:57] <Sleaker> ok that makes sense
2980[23:31:09] <Sleaker> is 68 going to get released into buster/security as it's the next ESR?
2981[23:31:27] <Habbie> the whole point of esr is that that's not necessary
2982[23:31:32] <Habbie> (but i don't know debian policy on this)
2983[23:31:40] <coruja> after eol of the current esr release, yes
2984[23:31:45] <Sleaker> oh hmm, but 60 is EOL after firefox 69 isn't it?
2985[23:31:47] <rant> Sleaker: debian's distribution of it is also heavily patched to stop things like automatic connections
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2987[23:32:14] <Sleaker> rant: ah. makes sense
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2989[23:32:47] <Sleaker> is that what's not necessary?
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2993[23:35:12] <coruja> debian's firefoxes also allow using alsa by default as audio backend (which i like a lot)
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2996[23:36:56] <Habbie> ah, so october 2019, by the schedule
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3000[23:38:05] <coruja> Sleaker, if you want/need the latest and greatest, consider downloading and installing one of the firefox channels (release, beta, nightly) from mozilla (though not supported here ofc)
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3002[23:38:54] <Sleaker> coruja: yah, was just checking if there was a deb for it already.
3003[23:38:59] <Sleaker> sid will probably work.
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3005[23:39:20] <coruja> not while running stable
3006[23:39:24] <Sleaker> no?
3007[23:40:01] <rant> meh, booting nomodeset just makes it fall back on VESA in xorg.. blah blah blah guess I gotta reboot again and try creating an xorg config
3008[23:40:13] <coruja> it's not recommended (to put it mildly) to install sid/testing packages on a stable system
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3011[23:40:42] <coruja> and installing sid's firefox on stable won't work because of mismatching dependencies
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3013[23:41:22] <coruja> !frankendebian
3014[23:41:23] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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3016[23:42:16] <CaptainDusty> ^^
3017[23:44:42] <alkisg> rant: afaik intel defaults to the "modesetting" driver nowadays, and you'd need to create a xorg.conf to force the intel driver; what's the issue?
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3019[23:45:17] <rant> I had written this mostly as a joke.. for installing firefox: replaced-url
3020[23:46:23] <rant> alkisg: its spamming 1200 lines a second to the Xorg log
3021[23:46:38] <coruja> dufus, cute name ;)
3022[23:46:55] <rant> (EE) modeset(0): Failed to get GBM bo for flip to new front. (EE) modeset(0): present flip failed
3023[23:47:06] <rant> well 1200 lines a minute rather.. those two lines repeated
3024[23:47:15] <rant> coruja: yeah, I amused myself with it
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3028[23:47:33] <rant> coruja: don't recall if I tested it, but seems like it'd actually work
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3031[23:48:29] <rant> I was annoyed with the SNS Syndrome patients wanting newer firefox, so it inspired the dufus script
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3033[23:48:59] <alkisg> rant: yeah I'd either try to disable pageflip, or the intel driver...
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3035[23:49:12] <rant> alkisg: either way looks like I'll need to create a config
3036[23:49:17] <alkisg> True
3037[23:49:50] <coruja> rant, but i'd rather suggest Sleaker to install by hand from mozilla as their firefox will update itself ;)
3038[23:50:13] <coruja> (which means nothing against your scripting skills)
3039[23:50:19] <rant> coruja: yeah.. I wouldnt recommend using that script either :P
3040[23:50:36] <rant> I just did it as a joke really.. it'd be suprising to me if it even works
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3042[23:51:02] <rant> I didnt really bother putting enough effort into it to rely on it.. I had no intention of actually using it
3043[23:51:05] <Sleaker> coruja: for sure. I was just checking if there was only firefox-esr or if debian had moved to similar release style as canonical yet on the browsers.
3044[23:51:10] <azrazalea_> Hey everyone, I have multiple of these frozen messages in my exim queue. Log: replaced-url
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3047[23:51:24] <coruja> Sleaker, and a self-updating firefox apart from debian itself is the reason why it's not supported here - but it's your box in the end
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3049[23:51:38] <Sleaker> for sure, we'll just sit with esr
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3053[23:52:43] <Sleaker> I was just mixing up firefox coming back into debian and them pushing the latest version.
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3057[23:53:15] <coruja> they do, but only for sid
3058[23:53:27] <rant> blah.. apparently I gotta stop my DM and do this from a tty to get it to generate a config template
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3060[23:54:45] <coruja> rant, a minimal conf snippet dropped to xorg.conf.d will do too
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3067[23:56:16] <coruja> rant, replaced-url
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3070[23:57:53] <jadax> hey, I like to have debian as host OS. But at this point I need to do some work on ubuntu 18.04. Does it make sense to a) run it inside VM, b) run it as container, c) install Ubuntu as 2nd boot option ?
3071[23:58:07] <jadax> I have 32GB RAM and AMD 3600 CPU
3072[23:58:20] <jadax> so technically I should be able to live with any of these
3073[23:58:21] <CaptainDusty> jadax: I think that depends what kind of work you need to do?
3074[23:58:27] <jadax> it's web development
3075[23:58:29] <alkisg> jadax: you can install both OSes in different partitions (dual boot) AND then boot any of them as VM inside the other
3076[23:58:30] <jadax> + docker
3077[23:58:37] <CaptainDusty> jadax: I'd be leaning towards a VM.
3078[23:58:41] <CaptainDusty> Oh, and docker?
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3081[23:58:48] <jadax> yes, docker too
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3084[23:58:55] <jadax> but I should be fine with docker inside VM, right?
3085[23:59:09] <CaptainDusty> jadax: Depends how you configure your VM..
3086[23:59:35] <CaptainDusty> I'd still go a VM :P Because; ubuntu.
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