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3[00:00:45] <awal1> Pobega, check reverse dependencies for
start
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20[00:10:46] <Pobega> awal1: yeah as expected gnome-core
depends on gnome-software, I was already aware of this though. I was
wondering if there is a way to unlink the two, since I don't
get why gnome-core would depend on gnome-software. Also, be right
back.
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47[00:25:53] <Guest32976> how can i tell where the errors are
in my preseed file? the installer is just saying it's
'corrupt' not where it's having an issue
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49[00:26:59] <brokencycle> Hi! I'm having trouble with SSH
tunneling. Using this command: ssh -v -CN myself@remotehost -L
2993:localhost:993 I expect that the tunnel be established and then
SSH just sit there.
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50[00:27:16] <solarplexus> guys im tryna install voxelands from
source and when i run make i get an error
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51[00:27:32] <brokencycle> When I run this command from the
command line, it works like a charm, but if I try to run this
command as a tunnel command for offlineimap, it hangs,
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52[00:27:46] <solarplexus>
src/CMakeFiles/voxelands.dir/build.make:3181: recipe for target
'bin/voxelands' failed make[2]: *** [bin/voxelands] Error
1 CMakeFiles/Makefile2:169: recipe for target
'src/CMakeFiles/voxelands.dir/all' failed make[1]: ***
[src/CMakeFiles/voxelands.dir/all] Error 2 Makefile:149: recipe for
target 'all' failed make: *** [all] Error 2
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53[00:28:08] <brokencycle> saying "Entering interactive
session" just before that (I ran with "-v" to see
this).
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54[00:28:48] <brokencycle> What am I doing wrong?
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57[00:30:08] <brokencycle> I'm on stretch, btw.
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64[00:31:54] <Brigo> question time, it looks like.
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68[00:34:35] <brokencycle> Guest32976: You can try to rip out
parts from your preseed file until it starts to work, then start
adding small pieces back in.
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86[00:42:06] <galex-713> solarplexus: paste it here too
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87[00:42:11] <galex-713> you never know
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91[00:44:09] <Guest32976> brokencycle, oh gawd
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93[00:44:45] <galex-713> Hi, I’m trying to install the
openvpn config my isp gave me, in a mail there a big text to paste
delimited by stuff like “### config file start/stop
here”, and the same for a shared key
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94[00:45:03] <galex-713> it refers a “ta.key” file
in the main config file, so I did put the shared key here
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97[00:45:26] <galex-713> I also made a file called
“auth.txt” with my login and password (one per line) and
added auth-user-pass auth.txt to the main config
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98[00:45:31] <galex-713> should I do anything else?
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99[00:45:32] <GJdan> In you folks' opinion, is it there a
noteworthy security impact on having mysql-client installed on a
webserver where the databases on on a separate server?
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100[00:45:40] <galex-713> I don’t feel like openvpn is
doing anything
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102[00:46:10] <brokencycle> Guest32976: I know it's not
pretty, but had to do the same thing recently. There's no
silver bullet, just elbow grease.
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104[00:47:18] <brokencycle> I've created a paste with the
command and the debug output:
replaced-url
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106[00:47:46] <Guest32976> brokencycle, well I'm pretty
sure it's the disk partitioning. Is there an example for a
amd64 UEFI system somewhere? the documentation for partman-auto is
ATROCIOUS
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109[00:49:41] <nvzn> hi, what's the proper way to configure
dhcp to support hotplug on a NIC?
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112[00:50:02] <nvzn> ie, to get a new address if the NIC goes
down and returns
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117[00:51:33] <nvzn> in the past I would use auto eth0 in
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130[00:59:41] <Guest32976> actually, would someone mind looking
at my partman config and letting me know if you spot anything?
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132[01:00:33] <Guest32976> it says no root filesystem defined,
despite having a root filesystem defined. i don't see
what's wrong with that section
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133[01:01:14] <Guest32976>
replaced-url
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144[01:11:46] <trumee> I am installing debian 8 in a VM running
on bhyve. I can see that my router is giving out an ip address to
it, but debian returns No DHCPOFFERS received
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152[01:15:59] <tw> trumee: it's most likely freebsd's
networking/firewall at fault. You can check if your VM is receiving
any dhcp reply at all with tcpdump.
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156[01:17:24] <trumee> tw, debian 9 is able to get dhcp address
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158[01:17:52] <trumee> tw, i tried ubuntu-server stable and it
worked fine too. It just that debian 8 fails.
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160[01:18:15] <trumee> On the pfsense router i can see the
request being made and the ip address being alloted.
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162[01:18:39] <trumee> So the request is definitely reaching the
router.
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163[01:18:41] <tw> I'd still try tcpdump in the VM to see
if the packet is making it.
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165[01:19:18] <trumee> This is new install using the CD. There
is no tcpdump in the CD.
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168[01:20:21] <ChmEarl> Guest32976, label{ varfs} <-- bad
white space
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171[01:21:47] <tw> trumee: Manually configure networking then
install it. Is there anything in the system log aside from the
"no dhcpoffers" message?
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174[01:23:32] <trumee> tw, i tried dhclient -v eth0
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181[01:28:29] <trumee> tw, ok i have setup a static ip, and get
to the internet. apt update is stuck at 785 [Waiting for headers]
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214[01:58:01] <brokencycle> I would like to do IPv6 over wifi. I
get the address via DHCP: "dhclient -6 wlan0". But
somehow, I only get an address, but nothing in the way of a default
route or so, although other clients in the same network do.
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218[01:58:43] <brokencycle> Adding a default route for IPv6
through the interface doee not give me connectivity via IPv6.
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219[01:58:56] <Dagger> DHCPv6 doesn't handle routes, after
all. routes come from RAs
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221[01:59:58] <Dagger> often your address also comes from SLAAC
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making an address up for itself), rather than DHCPv6
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240[02:02:14] <Dagger> you can see if you're receiving any
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computers work I guess the RAs are being sent correctly but are
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245[02:03:10] <Dagger> possibly the wifi AP or client can't
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will work even if you set a default route startically either).
I've seen that in the wild :/
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246[02:03:14] <mijk> hi, I'm trying to figure out how to
implement "T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyUSB0 19200
vt420" from inittab into systemd
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249[02:03:27] <mijk> it's to interface a Pi Zero W to a
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250[02:03:51] <Dagger> (do double-check your firewall to make
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251[02:05:13] <Dagger> ...hm, but of course if DHCPv6 works then
multicast must work to some degree or another... but that "or
another" can be a source of much frustration if you don't
know what you're looking for
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254[02:07:31] <trumee> tw, i ran tcpdump on the host of the VM,
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257[02:08:30] <trumee> tw, IP 0.0.0.0.68 >
255.255.255.255.67: BOOTP/DHCP, Request from xx , length 300. IP
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multilib stuff on it; Is installing the 32-bit zlib1g support the
same as installing it on an x86 machine?
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293[02:34:09] <hanetzer> what I mean is, is it the same *.deb
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325[03:02:11] <rjsalts> hanetzer: yes, it's the same
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328[03:02:44] <hanetzer> rjsalts: and if I install an arm
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332[03:03:51] <hanetzer> nifty. I'm investigating
cross-stuff on other distros for potential hackery on gentoo :P
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473[04:58:29] <michael2> does a standard debian install run
/etc/network/interfaces and /etc/network/interfaces.d/* on boot? and
if you then installed "network-manager" package, network
manager will essentially override/ignore all the
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480[05:00:36] <themill> michael2: other way around, n-m ignores
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485[05:08:00] <bug> yes and yes, since you both said the same
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491[05:11:11] <themill> no, n-m does not override /e/n/i
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509[05:28:58] <michael2> im confused, so say I've got a
standard install - no network-manager. on boot, when systemd starts
services, systemd will start some "network setting up
service"? which reads the configs in /etc/network/interfaces/*
files - do I have that bit right?
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585[06:53:21] <tnks> I just installed another OS that
doesn't use ifupdown... just simple udev, and it's kind of
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586[06:53:32] <tnks> is there a reason Debian sticks with
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599[06:59:15] <tnks> oh, I see that ifupdown is now considered
legacy, in favor of system-networkd
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670[07:48:27] <michael2> im confused, so say I've got a
standard install - no network-manager. on boot, when systemd starts
services, systemd will start some "network setting up
service"? which reads the configs in /etc/network/interfaces/*
files - do I have that bit right?
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a offline software like
replaced-url
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869[09:42:56] <trans> hello can you help me to find for debian -
a offline software like
replaced-url
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possible theres soem sort of keylock i may have accidentarlly
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907[10:06:58] <akd> I have installed package nodejs
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908[10:07:05] <akd> so it installed npm automatically
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909[10:07:32] <akd> I then want to install latest of npm using
`npm i -g npm@latest`, which work fine except the apt npm version is
conflicting
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910[10:07:43] <akd> I want to remove the conflicting apt
installed version
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911[10:07:49] <akd> Or to know the official way to update npm
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924[10:15:54] <babilen> akd: Typically install from
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937[10:22:24] <babilen> akd:
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961[10:38:46] <jelly> ,v rar
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962[10:38:47] <judd> Package: rar on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free:
2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; stretch/non-free:
2:5.4.0+dfsg.1-0.1; buster/non-free: 2:5.5.0-1; sid/non-free:
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972[10:47:09] <kardborren> I'm trying to get a simple mail
command installed so cron output gets mailed to me. Webpages said to
try ssmtp, but that doesn't give a mail command. Is there a
better solution for this? (I just need to get mail off the server so
small solution is what I'm looking for.)
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996[10:59:02] <blingrang> kardborren, Try mailutils
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1002[10:59:49] <kardborren> blingrang: That doesn't come
with a full mailserver and all that? And gives a "mail"
that cron can use?
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1004[11:00:02] <wjwiz> why isnt gnucash in testing?
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1007[11:01:10] <blingrang> kardborren, it provides a mail
command.
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1008[11:01:23] <kardborren> blingrang: I'll give it a shot.
Thanks!
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1010[11:02:03] <Unit193> wjwiz: Uses webkitgtk, which is old and
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1014[11:04:03] <Unit193> Eg, the stuff in experimental uses
webkit2gtk. But this more likely on topic for #debian-next.
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1068[11:35:41] <Lope> What is the default root password for a
debootstrapped debian?
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1088[11:53:20] <BCMM> Lope: if you've installed with
debootstrap, you're almost certainly in an environment where
you can run passwd in a chroot
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1102[11:59:41] <Vonor> hi. can someone tell me which package
contains npm? I have nodejs installed according to this guide, but
npm is missing ->
replaced-url
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1103[11:59:42] <Lope> okay, thanks guys. I did it.
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1115[12:06:57] <michael2> Vonor: are you sure npm is missing its
possibly just not on your $PATH
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1116[12:07:43] <petn-randall> Vonor, michael2, npm is not shipped
in Debian due to quality concerns.
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1117[12:07:59] <Vonor> michael2, got it solved just now. had to
apt install -t buster to get the version from the nodejs repo (I am
on buster, but somehow it took the one from testing repo)
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1118[12:08:13] <petn-randall> !why is npm not in testing
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1119[12:08:13] <dpkg> npm is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
replaced-url
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1120[12:08:28] <petn-randall> Vonor: ^^^
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1121[12:08:42] <petn-randall> Vonor: buster *is* testing.
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1168[12:30:54] <TvL2386> hey guys, I've done something wrong
I think.... I wanted to purge a bunch of old kernels because /boot
is 100% full. So I did `dpkg --list | egrep
'4.4.0-(10[1489])' | awk '{ print $2"
purge" }' | dpkg --set-selections`
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1169[12:31:01] <TvL2386> I assumed (wrong!!!) that this would
purge them
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1170[12:31:49] <TvL2386> in the `dpkg --list` output I see the
lines now start with a "p"
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1171[12:31:59] <TvL2386> What should I do?
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1173[12:32:18] <PerfDave> TvL2386: Did "apt autoremove"
not do what you want?
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1175[12:32:29] <TvL2386> PerfDave: no because /boot is 100% full
it errors out
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1176[12:32:55] <TvL2386> unattended upgrades (disabled now)
caused packages to be half installed
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1180[12:33:07] <akay> so apt doesnt want to run because of /boot
being full?
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1181[12:33:16] <TvL2386> yes
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1183[12:33:28] <TvL2386> and with `dpkg -P` I can free up space
there to let apt run
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1184[12:33:30] <TvL2386> but I fucked up
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1185[12:34:03] <akay> well, the only think that comes to my mind
is manually removing enough files so apt is able to run again - but
let the others give more input
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1187[12:34:18] <TvL2386> I was searching for telling `dpkg`
through stdin what to do... I wanted to pipe a package list into
dpkg to purge
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1188[12:34:58] <TvL2386> akay: yeah I know that's the way to
proceed... That's not the issue... the issue is that I called
`dpkg --set-selections` and set packages to "purge"?
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1189[12:35:04] <TvL2386> but it is not executed... just marked
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1190[12:35:09] <TvL2386> so I don't know how to proceed
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1191[12:35:56] <akay> well you said apt doesnt want to run
because /boot is full - and the next step in your process would be
to apt autoremove as PerfDave already said
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1192[12:36:20] <TvL2386> read my first 3 lines
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1193[12:36:45] <TvL2386> and then the fourth :)
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1197[12:38:16] <PerfDave> TvL2386: "dpkg -P --pending"
should purge all the packages marked for purging
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1198[12:38:19] <akay> ... i did read your messages. what you did
was right but you only _marked_ them to purge
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1199[12:38:52] <TvL2386> thx PerfDave
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1203[12:40:06] <TvL2386> yeah akay .... I thought that would
purge them, but they didn't... and that was my mistake. So
instead of continuing I wanted to ask you guys how to proceed
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1204[12:40:26] <TvL2386> so I'll do what PerfDave says
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1205[12:40:28] <TvL2386> sounds good
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1207[12:40:39] <PerfDave> TvL2386: that's from a quick skim
of "man dpkg" :)
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1208[12:41:04] <akay> nvm, glad you could solve it - my
understanding was that apt autoremove was required to remove them -
what did not seem to work for you because of /boot being full.
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1209[12:41:04] <vlt> Hello. I have configured Debian 9 with
"nodm" to run an X session as a specific user.
~/.xsessionrc runs one X program. Now I'm looking for a way to
display a message to the user while a certain condition (established
OpenVPN connection) is not met and then continue. Any idea?
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1210[12:41:51] <TvL2386> nice PerfDave! That's how I got to
the `| dpkg --set-selections` and thought nope nope nope nope....
Not gonna do this :)
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1212[12:42:11] <TvL2386> thanks PerfDave and akay :)
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1236[12:51:39] <TvL2386> these servers only have 256MB /boot
partitions
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1237[12:51:41] <TvL2386> meh....
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1239[12:51:57] <TvL2386> and unattended updates enabled -_-
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1248[12:56:21] <michael2> when running `dhclient ...' I keep
getting [NO DHCPOFFERS received] any ideas on how to troubleshoot
this?
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1250[12:57:17] <michael2> Ive killed and restarted the running
dhclient process, and Im running dhclient against the correct
interface (wifi)
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1259[13:00:30] <themill> is the firmware loaded and is actually
connected to the AP (WPA2 passphrases etc)
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1263[13:02:14] <michael2> themill: yes, I was connected to an AP
secured with WPA2, using wpa_supplicant
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1266[13:02:50] <michael2> but now - when trying to connect to an
open (no encryption) AP - I cant get a DHCP lease
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1267[13:02:51] <themill> was or am?
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1268[13:02:57] <michael2> was
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1270[13:03:23] <themill> so you've told iwconfig to connect
to this AP?
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1272[13:03:28] <Ticho> maybe the AP has no dhcp server running on
it, and expects clients to set the correct settings manually
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1273[13:04:23] <michael2> themill: yes,connected with `iwconfig
wlp3s0 essid <essid>'
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1277[13:05:39] <michael2> Ticho: the AP is a dhcp server - Im
connected to it with the compter Im IRC'ing on now
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1286[13:09:18] <Ticho> in that case, does the dhcp client start
once the wifi connection is established? IIRC iwconfig itself
doesn't do that, although it's been a while since I played
with it directly
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1288[13:09:57] <Agiofws> HELLO
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1289[13:09:59] <Agiofws> hi
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1294[13:11:54] <Agiofws> i've accidentally overwritten 500
pngs in a directory and i'd like to recover them is this
possible with out having to recover ALL the files from my partition
/dev/sda3 which is my root file system and recover ONLY from the
certain directory?
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1296[13:12:21] <iodev> Agiofws: recovery is impossible if you
have overwritten the files
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1297[13:12:52] <Agiofws> yes but its my root file system its on a
usb flash drive
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1299[13:13:06] <Agiofws> its NOT*
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1300[13:13:15] <iodev> is it ext4?
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1301[13:13:24] <michael2> Ticho: I think you need to call it
initially, but once started it may continue to poll the AP. so I
wonder if my problem is that somehow `dhclient' is not aware
that Ive changed networks and its maybe still trying to request an
IP address from the previous AP
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1302[13:13:29] <iodev> if it's ext4, and you overwrote them
and have no backup NOTHING can be done
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1303[13:13:41] <Agiofws> yes its ext4
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1304[13:13:56] <iodev> because you overwrote them, if you only
would have deleted them like with rm, then you could recover them
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1305[13:13:59] <iodev> but overwritten, NO
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1307[13:14:10] <Agiofws> ok
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1308[13:14:26] <iodev> Agiofws: sorry, may I suggest using
clonezilla and dedup
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1309[13:15:24] <Agiofws> anyway i'm just ging to render the
pngs for the 2nd time again worth of 26h of rendering
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1310[13:15:39] <iodev> no, use an AWS EC2 machine with GPU
compute
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1312[13:16:09] <iodev> it may be able to get it done in 2 hours
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1314[13:16:50] <darsie> What package do I need to use 'open
location' in gimp?
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1320[13:17:52] <michael2> darsie: what are you trying to do?
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1321[13:17:56] <Agiofws> AWS EC2 ?
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1323[13:18:17] <darsie> michael2: Open an image with a URL.
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1324[13:19:04] <darsie> File/Open Location ...
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1325[13:19:37] <darsie> I think it was gimp-libcurl in the past,
but that packages no longer exists.
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1333[13:20:39] <iodev> Agiofws: or any other cloud platform
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1334[13:20:46] <iodev> that'll let you render in the cloud
:-)
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1336[13:21:21] <Agiofws> usually those are paid services?
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1342[13:23:30] <iodev> Agiofws: yeah, but it'll cost you a
small amount
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1343[13:23:54] <iodev> for instance, whenever I want to build
Android, I don't waste 10 hours on my own PC
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1344[13:24:10] <iodev> I just get a 1$/hour 36-core machine, and
it compiles in 22 minutes
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1345[13:24:30] <iodev> so I pay, a bit under a $
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1347[13:25:02] <ssarah> hi i wanted to turn this into a debian
packages, whats the easy way to do it?
replaced-url
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1348[13:25:29] <iodev> checkinstall
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1349[13:25:51] <iodev> CheckInstall keeps track of all the files
created or modified by your installation script, builds a standard
binary package (.deb, .rpm, .tgz) and installs it in your system
giving you the ability to uninstall it with your distribution's
standard package management utilities.
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1351[13:26:15] <iodev> if you use checkinstall and your program
uses make/make install/configure process, then it makes a deb out of
that
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1353[13:26:54] <darsie> Would porting gimp-libcurl from an older
debian help?
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1355[13:27:27] <iodev> darsie: no, I don't think so
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1361[13:28:33] <darsie> gimp-gnomevfs doesn't exist, either.
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1367[13:33:20] <darsie> I give up.
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1390[13:53:24] <domovoy> hi, i'm trying to preseed partman
for debian installer, using this:
replaced-url
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1391[13:54:01] <darsie> reportbug says my gimp is out of date.
Should I backport gimp?
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1393[13:54:33] <darsie> Is debian/stable out of date?
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1395[13:55:01] <jelly> reportbug is kind of dumb that way and
considers versions from sid
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1397[13:55:15] <darsie> k
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1398[13:56:00] <jelly> it's just saying that because some
bugs may be fixed in newer releases, and if your issue is one of
those bugs then yes, doing a backport might fix it
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1400[13:56:18] <swati_27_> hi
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1401[13:56:37] <swati_27_> I've file system path as
/media/slodha/local-ssd
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1403[13:56:53] <swati_27_> I wish to unmount local-ssd to root
folder
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1404[13:57:00] <swati_27_> Could anyone please help?
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1406[13:58:20] <BanHammor> i don't think i understand you.
do you mean that you have an SSD that you want to mount as /?
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1407[13:58:27] <darsie> dpkg says about <debian-backports>
... or the current stable (see <jessie backports>) ...
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1408[13:58:27] <dpkg> darsie: You are person #1 to send an
unparseable request
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1410[13:58:52] <swati_27_> BanHammor: Yeah right
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1411[13:59:05] <swati_27_> It was there previously before I
upgraded to debian 9
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1412[13:59:14] <swati_27_> earlier path : /local-ssd
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1414[13:59:19] <darsie> should be changed to stretch.
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1415[13:59:25] <swati_27_> after upgrade /media/slodha/local-ssd
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1417[13:59:45] <BanHammor> man 5 fstab
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1419[14:01:16] <swati_27_> I don't have any knowledge. could
you please help?
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1431[14:03:51] <swati_27_>
replaced-url
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1433[14:04:33] <swati_27_> BanHammor: local-ssd isn't
mentioned here
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1435[14:06:02] <BanHammor> of course it isn't
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1436[14:06:20] <BanHammor> but the manual describes the format of
the /etc/fstab file
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1437[14:06:27] <swati_27_> yeah right
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1440[14:07:11] <BanHammor> if you put your ssd in there it will
automount on boot in that location
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1443[14:08:22] <theguyfromthebus> hi
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1446[14:10:05] <swati_27_> but it's already mounted
somewhere else
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1447[14:10:13] <swati_27_> ot won't cause loss of data?
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1448[14:10:17] <swati_27_> *it
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1449[14:10:22] <BanHammor> it will only mount there on reboot
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1450[14:10:23] <theguyfromthebus> I have a problem which I
can't solve. I would like to allow SSH on a server with active
OpenVPN. I tried 'ip route add default dev eth0 via
default_gateway table 3412' but still can't connect to the
server....
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1452[14:10:54] <swati_27_> BanHammor: and how do I fill all the
fields for my ssd?
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1453[14:11:03] <BanHammor> well, you read the manual.
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1454[14:11:11] <theguyfromthebus> if I close the OpenVPN
connection I can ssh to the serve without any problem.
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1455[14:11:14] <swati_27_> using "umount" and
"mount" won't help in this case?
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1456[14:11:30] <BanHammor> the output of the mount command
without arguments will also help
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1457[14:11:36] <BanHammor> at least, with the first field
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1461[14:12:35] <swati_27_> i didn't get you
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1462[14:12:42] <swati_27_> could you please elaborate
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1463[14:13:26] <darsie> Hmm, but gimp consists of many packages,
right? Would backporting gimp fix the broken 'File/Open
Location...'?
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1464[14:13:33] <BanHammor> type in "man 5 fstab" and
find a detailed manual on how to make an entry into fstab
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1467[14:13:58] <BanHammor> this will also help:
replaced-url
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1470[14:14:20] <darsie> Hmm, not so many packages.
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1477[14:15:43] <darsie> aptitude build-dep gimp says: Unable to
satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libtiff-dev
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1479[14:16:28] <BanHammor> gimp also depends on a bunch of GTK
libraries that need to be up to date
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1481[14:17:09] <theguyfromthebus> actually I tried to change
"dev eth0" to "dev eno1"
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1485[14:18:12] <domovoy> i'm trying to preseed partman for
debian installer, using this:
replaced-url
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1494[14:25:25] <BanHammor> theguyfromthebus, it's a routing
issue, you're on the right track - check that the output of
"ip route" is sane.
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1495[14:25:38] <BanHammor> (i don't have any further
expertise, sadly)
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1501[14:31:28] <theguyfromthebus> BanHammor Thank you. It's
working now :)
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1533[14:50:14] <nvzn> hi, i'm trying to configure a headless
device to automatically get a dhcp address when an ethernet cable is
plugged in to it's NIC, without having to reboot. It's
running stretch which I migrated from jessie. How should I do this?
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1538[14:52:10] <Brigo> nvzn, it is the behaviour by default
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1540[14:52:24] <nvzn> Brigo: seems broken to me then
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1541[14:52:51] <jelly> nvzn: pastebin contents of your
/etc/network/interfaces, and output of "ip a" and "ip
r"
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1542[14:52:55] <Brigo> what is managing the ethernet?
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1543[14:53:08] <nvzn> Brigo: systemd networking?
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1544[14:53:18] <nvzn> jelly: it's empty
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1545[14:53:41] <nvzn> jelly: my configs are all in
/etc/systemd/network/*.network
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1546[14:53:46] <Brigo> nvzn, i think in debian it is not the
default
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1548[14:54:02] <Brigo> nvzn, network manager is not installed?
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1549[14:54:21] <nvzn> Brigo: no, i don't believe so, this is
a small embedded device, no GUI
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1551[14:55:28] <Brigo> i guess if systemd is managing the
network, it should be a networkd stance running, right?
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1552[14:55:52] <nvzn> yes
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1553[14:56:16] <Brigo> can you find it?
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1554[14:56:37] <nvzn> find what, sorry?
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1556[14:56:47] <nvzn> the process?
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1557[14:56:47] <Brigo> a networkd running
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1558[14:56:50] <nvzn> yes
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1560[14:56:52] <Brigo> with ps
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1561[14:56:54] <nvzn> yes
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1562[14:56:57] <nvzn> it's there
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1564[14:57:04] <jelly> how did you install debian?
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1566[14:57:27] <Brigo> ok, then you have to configure it right,
and i have never done such thing.
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1567[14:57:34] <jelly> in any case I'm clueless about
networkd so I won't comment on this more
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1569[14:57:46] <nvzn> ok
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1571[14:58:21] <nvzn> anyone else know?
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1574[14:59:00] <jelly> nvzn: you might try and ask in the
upstream #systemd channel if noone answers here
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1575[14:59:21] <Brigo> i guess in internet should be plenty of
examples.
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1577[14:59:31] <nvzn> yeah i think there's also a
debian-systemd channel on ofts
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1578[14:59:33] <nvzn> oftc
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1580[14:59:39] <nvzn> Brigo: i've been looking
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1582[15:00:11] <jelly> I'd say "man networkd" but
there is no such thing
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1584[15:00:38] <jelly> can't even tell people to RTFM
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1585[15:00:49] <cmm11> WTFM ?
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1586[15:01:00] <cmm11> ;)
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1587[15:01:01] <jelly> exactly
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1589[15:01:15] <jelly> WFM really
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1590[15:01:24] <Brigo> mand networkd.conf exists.
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1591[15:01:31] <Haohmaru> imagine there is a FM and RTFM
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1592[15:01:39] <Brigo> man*
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1594[15:02:34] <ebrasca> Hi
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1595[15:02:47] <ebrasca> Can I install debian on talos II system?
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1596[15:02:53] <Brigo> na there is a systemd.network
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1603[15:06:35] <BanHammor> ebrasca, supposedly ppc64el supports
power9
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1605[15:06:58] <BanHammor> but whether you'll be able to
install it, and how, is anyone's guess
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debian installer, using this:
replaced-url
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1610[15:07:48] <ebrasca> Can I install debian from usb?
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1612[15:08:37] <BanHammor> on x86/x64, you can
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1615[15:09:21] <BanHammor> consult the manufacturer on how to do
that on POWER
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1617[15:09:30] <ebrasca> BanHammor: I know I can install it with
usb in x86/x64.
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1618[15:11:00] <BanHammor> the manual for ppc64el suggests you
use debootstrap from an existing Linux installation on that machine
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1619[15:12:11] <ebrasca> I have never install with debootstrap
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1649[15:22:07] <ebrasca> BanHammor: mmm download and test
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1650[15:22:23] <ebrasca> BanHammor: Thanks you
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1669[15:27:37] <domovoy> i'm trying to preseed partman for
debian installer, using this:
replaced-url
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1701[15:41:49] <Zhroglk> hi my xorg crash in loop how can i get
log ? /var/log/x11 there is nothing
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1703[15:42:07] <Zhroglk> journal -xe also nothing
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1708[15:43:21] <BanHammor> i think it should be Xorg.0.log
instead of x11
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1711[15:43:37] <BanHammor> there is also ~/.Xsession-errors
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1712[15:43:55] <Zhroglk> Xorg.0.log no error
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1713[15:44:36] <Zhroglk> and now Xsession-errors doesnt exist
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1738[15:54:47] <siodor> hello everyone, if I have two tmpfs each
~500MB and the machine has 1GB of RAM, what happens if one of them
gets filled and will the occupied RAM be released again after the
files in tmpfs got deleted?
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1739[15:56:39] <darsie> siodor: IIRC, yes.
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1740[15:57:08] <jelly> siodor: 1) you'll have 500MB less
(ram+swap) 2) yes
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1741[15:57:29] <jelly> tmpfs is backed by ram and swap, not just
ram
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1743[15:57:51] <darsie> What do you mean 'filled'? Does
tmpfs have a configured limit?
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1744[15:58:41] <jelly> it can have a configured limit, if none is
configured the kernel assigns one at mount time
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1745[15:59:15] <jelly> (half the RAM by default I think)
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1761[16:04:27] <siodor> jelly, ah, now I know why they're
500MB in size, thanks :-)
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1766[16:05:23] <siodor> jelly, I think this answered my question
:-)
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1767[16:05:27] <siodor> jelly, thanks
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1768[16:05:37] <siodor> have a nice evening everyone
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1788[16:18:11] <squarecircle> is it ok, that my debian allocates
some 5/8GB swap if I'm using vms?
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1789[16:18:31] <PerfDave> squarecircle: Probably yes.
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1790[16:18:41] <PerfDave> Linux will move stuff to swap if
it's not being used, to free up RAM for instant allocation.
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1792[16:19:04] <PerfDave> If you try to use more RAM than you
have, then you'll end up constantly reading/writing swap
("thrashing") which can slow things down.
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1793[16:19:12] <squarecircle> PerfDave: 3/8GB RAM are allocated
and I have the feeling, that the machine is quite slow
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1794[16:19:40] <BanHammor> you can dump swap to ram and see how
things run via swapoff -a
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1795[16:20:04] <squarecircle> BanHammor: hm
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1796[16:20:16] <BanHammor> though 5/8 GB swapped is a lot
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1797[16:20:34] <PerfDave> If things start to get OOMkilled after
swapoff, you need more RAM :)
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1798[16:20:37] <squarecircle> and 3/8GB RAM allocation is less
then expected
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1800[16:20:43] <PerfDave> squarecircle: How much RAM do your VMs
have assigned?
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1802[16:21:06] <squarecircle> 6x1GB, 1x2GB
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1803[16:22:22] <PerfDave> So you have 8GB in your machine, and
have allocated 8GB to VMs and you're surprised things are
swapping?
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1804[16:22:59] <squarecircle> doestn kvm supports ballooning?
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1807[16:23:50] <squarecircle> PerfDave: it even was terribly
slow, when allocation was around 4GB
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1808[16:24:10] <Kelsar> squarecircle: what has ballooning to do
with it?
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1809[16:24:13] <squarecircle> but this may also originate from
the CentOS guests
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1810[16:24:14] <BanHammor> it does support ballooning, but it
needs to be supported clientside
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1812[16:24:27] <squarecircle> CentOS is a horrible piece of
satanic software
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1814[16:24:55] <PerfDave> Worth working out /why/ it's slow
then. If it's slow because you're thrashing disk because
of swap, that's one thing.
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1815[16:25:05] <PerfDave> Might be disk I/O to non-swap, might be
CPU load.
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1816[16:25:11] <squarecircle> Kelsar: if I understand ballooning
right, only the currently used memory is allocated
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1817[16:25:33] <squarecircle> Kelsar: so idling CentOS vms should
not use more then 100-400MB RAM each
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1818[16:25:40] <squarecircle> Kelsar: at least I thought so
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1819[16:26:04] <Kelsar> squarecircle: normal ballooning is manual
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1821[16:26:21] <Kelsar> you need additional components to make it
automatic
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1822[16:26:29] <Kelsar> inside the vm
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1823[16:26:35] <squarecircle> meh
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1824[16:26:36] <squarecircle> ok
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1825[16:26:53] <PerfDave>
replaced-url
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1826[16:27:08] <Kelsar> this ^
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1827[16:27:14] <PerfDave> FWIW my Debian 9 host has VMs with
"-device virtio-balloon-pci"
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1828[16:28:03] <karlpinc> squarecircle: vmstat is your friend
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1831[16:28:30] <squarecircle> ok
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1834[16:29:12] <PerfDave> Also virt-top
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1901[17:06:09] <ebrasca> How to install debian on talos II?
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1906[17:07:41] <JordiGH> It looks like my microphone is muted
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1907[17:07:57] <JordiGH> Any idea how to fix this? I don't
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1920[17:16:27] <frain> Hi guys. I am experiencing a weird issue.
9.4 (stretch), when copying files from usb to ntfs disc get Error
splicing file: Input/output error. Bought a new disk, formated it as
ext4, still getting the error :/, same with cp file dest
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1922[17:17:11] <jelly> frain: does the disk spin down during
copying? Are you using an usb3 port? Perhaps there's not enough
power.
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1923[17:17:23] <frain> i added disks to /etc/fstab as UUID=6-
/media/data2 ext4 defaults 0 0
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1924[17:17:25] <king_crimson> Hi, how do I go about investigating
a sudden shutdown on my home server while I was away? Its uptime was
about 6 days, then one morning I noticed it wasn't running.
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1925[17:17:40] <frain> jelly, its not power issue
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1926[17:17:45] <jelly> frain: look at /var/log/kern.log, or
"dmesg" command output, to see if the usb device
disconnected
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1927[17:18:38] <frain> indeed it did
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1928[17:18:48] <jelly> frain: pastebin everything from that, from
the point you plug the device in to the point you get the io error
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1929[17:19:14] <jelly> so it might be some sort of usb issue
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1930[17:19:41] <frain>
replaced-url
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1932[17:20:20] <frain> Both usb's worked before on same pc
running debian, had windows on briefly and got backk to _identical_
isntall, usbs not working xd
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1935[17:20:36] <jelly> [29678.443543] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdd] tag#0
Sense Key : Not Ready [current]
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1936[17:20:37] <jelly> [29678.443546] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdd] tag#0
Add. Sense: Medium not present
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1937[17:21:13] <jelly> frain: is this a laptop or a desktop? Can
you try a different usb port?
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1938[17:21:34] <frain> desktop, its same on all 6 usb ports
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1939[17:21:56] <frain> i suspect it might have something with
automounting since i never had usb problems on this pc before
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1942[17:22:22] <jelly> that scsi error is weird and happens 4
times before the disconnect
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1948[17:23:42] <frain> :[ should i go for clean install perhaps?
been chasing this bug for days now but cant find anything on
exchanges/forums/docs
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1950[17:23:57] <jelly> why would a clean install make any
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1952[17:24:23] <frain> No idea mate, I m hopeless atm, with an
extra disk that doesnt work either
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1954[17:24:32] <jelly> this isn't windows, you're going
to end up with the same kernel and same drivers and they're not
going to behave any different
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1956[17:24:53] <jelly> frain: if you have an older kernel to
boot, you can try that
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1958[17:25:22] <jelly> hoping it's a driver regression
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1959[17:25:57] <frain> ...I dont have older kernel
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1960[17:25:59] <jelly> 8GB is not a lot. Is this a card reader or
an usb stick?
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1965[17:26:25] <jelly> what does uname -r say?
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1966[17:26:35] <jelly> (those are two different questions)
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1968[17:27:19] <frain> usb, one is 8gb other one 30gb. stretch
9.4, 4.9.0-6-amd64
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1980[17:32:23] <jelly> frain: try adding "deb
replaced-url
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1981[17:32:48] <jelly> if that works, you'll have to file a
bug report for the newer kernel
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1982[17:33:24] <frain> will do, how do i rever back if its not ?
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1983[17:33:45] <jelly> you just boot the newer, default one
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1985[17:35:32] <frain> be back after boot
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2028[17:51:23] <snugger> Does apt automatically remove unused
dependencies of a package when removing a package?
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2029[17:51:38] <snugger> I could've worded that better
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2030[17:51:49] <petn-randall> snugger: no
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2031[17:51:56] <snugger> Do I have to apt autoremove a package to
remove all its dependencies that aren't used by another
package?
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2033[17:52:03] <petn-randall> snugger: yes
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2034[17:52:12] <frain> jelly, coulnt startx with old kernel but i
have mounted usb with udisksctl and cp still failed with io error
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2035[17:52:16] <snugger> Aptitude fixes that, right?
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2039[17:53:53] <snugger> I honestly don't know why apt
doesn't do that by default.
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2045[17:55:22] <petn-randall> snugger: Because there are many
pitfalls and little benefit to it.
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2047[17:55:39] <petn-randall> snugger: However, you can configure
apt to do that on every install/remove.
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2048[17:55:50] <snugger> Having unused packages just sitting
there on your system is annoying
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2050[17:56:19] <greycat> It's literally not annoying at all
if you never see them, never know they are there, never need that
bit of disk space for anything else.
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2054[17:57:40] <petn-randall> snugger: Configuration Item:
APT::Get::AutomaticRemove.
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2056[17:57:52] <snugger> petn-randall: Thanks
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2057[17:58:09] <petn-randall> snugger: Nobody will even notice.
However, users will notice if their last working kernel gets
autoremoved.
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2061[17:58:27] <ebrasca> How to install debian on Talos II?
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2062[17:59:32] <ebrasca> I have try to install debian ppc64el but
give strange errors.
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2069[18:00:27] <BanHammor> ebrasca, what kind of "strange
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2073[18:01:56] <ebrasca> BanHammor: I don't remember.
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2075[18:02:04] <jelly> petn-randall: kernels are excluded from
autoremove.
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2076[18:02:15] <petn-randall> Oh right.
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2077[18:02:49] <BanHammor> i can't help if your description
is vague
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2079[18:03:09] <petn-randall> However, if another package
recommends an auto-installed package, it won't get removed
again. So the presumption that installing A, removing A and running
apt-get autoremove will get you back to your state before
installation is wrong anyway.
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2080[18:03:11] <jelly> what's more annoying is debian
gleefully overwriting your working kernel with a new one with same
ABI
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2081[18:03:20] <ebrasca> BanHammor: Give some time and I probably
can get errors from talos.
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2082[18:03:26] <jelly> making most modules not work any more
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2083[18:03:59] <BanHammor> jelly, -all- kernels? do you mean that
debian will accumulate kernels forever?
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2084[18:04:30] <greycat> It can.
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2085[18:04:30] <jelly> BanHammor: pretty much
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2090[18:05:49] <jelly> BanHammor: maybe there are provisions to
remove kernels older than release-2 during the release upgrade now,
dunno
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2092[18:06:22] <greycat> If you use that autoremove nonsense, it
tries to keep at least 2 kernels at all times, I think. By default.
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2094[18:07:06] <ebrasca> BanHammor: one is " [8.038354] NMI
watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#8 stuck for 23s| [swpper/0:1]
"
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2098[18:08:56] <BanHammor> are you using Debian's linux
kernel?
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2101[18:10:26] <ebrasca> BanHammor: Probably yes.
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2102[18:11:05] <BanHammor> how did you install Debian on the
device?
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2103[18:11:59] <ebrasca> BanHammor: I try to install it with usb.
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2107[18:15:31] <ebrasca> BanHammor: sudo dd
if=debian-9.4.0-ppc64el-xfce-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdc status=progress
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2108[18:15:58] <ebrasca> BanHammor: Then I put usb to talos II
and chose expert install
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2110[18:16:07] <BanHammor> i'm a little taken aback that it
worked?
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2111[18:16:21] <frain> jelly, what do i do
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2112[18:16:35] <ebrasca> BanHammor: But after chosing expert mode
it start giving errors.
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2113[18:16:42] <BanHammor> i have no idea what the situation with
bootloaders even is on POWER
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2115[18:17:08] <jelly> frain: no idea. Does it work in windows?
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2117[18:17:19] <frain> yeah...
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2118[18:18:09] <ebrasca> BanHammor: start with : reserved mem:
not enough space all defined regions.
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2123[18:18:47] <BanHammor> you will for-sure receive more help if
you study the manufacturer's documentation or talk to the
manufacturer directly
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2126[18:19:47] <ebrasca> BanHammor: I have read talosII
documentation.
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2128[18:20:31] <frain> so i split file into 7zip part files, each
734 mb big, if i transfer them individualy everything is ok but as
soon i batch move them stuff breaks. furthermore some transfer fast
and others incredibly slow, even thought there are same file in
essence
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2130[18:21:04] <BanHammor> ebrasca, does it have instructions on
installing your own flavor of linux?
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2131[18:21:09] <frain> ...now i m getting random io erros with
individual files as well, jelly
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2132[18:21:23] <frain> its so random
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2133[18:22:12] <ebrasca> BanHammor: Don't remember , I go
check it againg.
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2134[18:23:46] <jelly> frain: if you did not do a power-cycle
between using windows and linux, try that and see if it resets the
state of usb controller back to something linux kernel can deal
better with
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2136[18:24:28] <BanHammor> because it seems to me like they might
be rolling their own kernel for their CPU's features.
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2137[18:24:40] <frain> i dont have windows on my disks anymore
tho. i also think this error is io time related, ill stopwatch it
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2140[18:27:57] <jelly> frain: okay, but did you have an actual
power cycle or not, it might be interesting to try it
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2142[18:28:32] <jelly> power off, disconnect the power or push
the wee button on the power supply, the whole thing
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2143[18:29:13] <frain> jelly, i did. also i just had 8Gb file go
through 150mb/s, tried it again, it falled down to 20mb/s and
finally had io error, that 20mb/s is some magical number
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2146[18:30:27] <jelly> frain: you'll have to use O_DIRECT
otherwise avoid memory write cache if you want to measure
what's actually going down to the device
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2149[18:31:28] <jelly> or mount the device with -o sync
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2153[18:31:57] <frain> ok, I'll try
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2158[18:33:46] <no_gravity> When I split screen inside of screen,
how do I know if I split the inner screen or the outer screen?
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2162[18:34:06] <no_gravity> Let's see how Google answers
that...
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2168[18:35:12] <jelly> no_gravity: did you use the control
character for the outer session or the inner session?
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2170[18:36:03] <jelly> if you're nesting screen with same
control character you have to escape it to send to the inner one
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2171[18:36:03] <no_gravity> jelly: How do you mean? I just
pressed CTRL+a |
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2173[18:36:19] <no_gravity> jelly: Aha, so I split the outer
screen?
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2174[18:36:23] <jelly> no_gravity: yes
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2175[18:36:32] <no_gravity> Is there a way to test that
hypothesis?
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2177[18:36:56] <jelly> if you want to send commands to the inner
session you'd have to ctrl-a a something
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2178[18:37:21] <jelly> or use different control character for
outer and inner screen
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2180[18:37:45] <no_gravity> Ok, but after doing so - how do I
know it worked?
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2182[18:37:56] <no_gravity> How do I know I split the inner
screen and not the outter screen?
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2183[18:37:59] <jelly> screen -e^V^Bb -S SessionWithControlB
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2186[18:38:32] <ebrasca> BanHammor: I can't read anithing
about how to install other distros.
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2187[18:38:47] <jelly> no_gravity: dunno, but if you use
different -e you won't have to worry
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2189[18:39:35] <no_gravity> I want to worry.
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2191[18:40:05] <jelly> that's not what the song recommends
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2192[18:40:41] <no_gravity> What's also confusing is that
when I type screen inside of screen, I see '0*$ bash 1-$
bash' on the bottom. What does that mean?
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2193[18:42:23] <jelly> that just opens a new window in the
current sessions
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2195[18:42:29] <jelly> session
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2197[18:42:54] <jelly> the status line tells you you have two
windows in this session
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2199[18:43:11] <jelly> one on ^a 0 the other on ^a 1
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2202[18:43:26] <jelly> 0 being active right now
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2203[18:43:28] <no_gravity> Ok, so how do I start screen in
screen then?
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2204[18:44:04] <jelly> tell it to start a completely new session,
eg. by naming it (-S ...)
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2205[18:44:13] <jelly> why would you want to do that?
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2206[18:44:27] <no_gravity> Aha!
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2208[18:44:45] <no_gravity> Why? So I can look at a split screen
with my coworker. In a multiuser screen session.
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2211[18:45:12] <Chars> timriker?
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2213[18:45:19] <no_gravity> Ha! It works!
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2215[18:45:27] <no_gravity> I'm looking at a split screen in
screen :)
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2216[18:45:30] <jelly> no_gravity: why can't they just
attach to your one session?
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2217[18:46:10] <no_gravity> jelly: They do. But now we want to
have vim on the left and a commandline on the right.
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2218[18:46:14] <jelly> Chars: is seldom present in these parts
these days
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2221[18:46:26] <Chars> <Chars> the infobot
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2222[18:46:27] <Chars> <Chars> log all connection
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2223[18:46:27] <Chars> <Chars> on infobot.rikers.org
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2224[18:46:27] <Chars> <Chars> please
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2225[18:46:27] <Chars> <blast007> that's not related
to BZFlag then
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2227[18:46:29] <no_gravity> jelly: So we can code on the left and
execute the code on the right.
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2233[18:46:38] <Chars> <Chars> i finish the ddos
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2234[18:46:39] <Chars> <Chars> on rikers.org
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2236[18:46:45] <jelly> lol
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2239[18:47:12] <cornel> hello
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2240[18:47:13] <Chars> please bro
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2241[18:47:14] <Chars> dont kill me
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2242[18:47:18] <Chars> i have an emergency
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2244[18:47:33] <jelly> Chars: use paste.debian.net to paste more
than 2-3 lines.
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2247[18:47:46] <cornel> is debian 9 working with nvidia driver
173.* ?
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2253[18:49:00] <BanHammor> cornel, it doesn't have 173.*,
but it has support for these:
replaced-url
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2254[18:49:22] <jelly> cornel: no, earliest legacy release is
304xx
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2256[18:49:53] <jelly> ,v nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
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2257[18:49:54] <judd> Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms on
amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 304.135-1~bpo70+1;
jessie/non-free: 304.135-1; stretch-backports/non-free:
304.137-5~bpo9+1; jessie-backports/non-free:
304.137-5~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 304.137-5~deb9u1;
buster/non-free: 304.137-5; sid/non-free: 304.137-5
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2259[18:50:08] <jelly> ,v nvidia-legacy-173xx-kernel-dkms
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2260[18:50:09] <judd> Package: nvidia-legacy-173xx-kernel-dkms on
amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 173.14.39-2~bpo70+1
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2266[18:51:04] <cornel> jelly, does this mean it does have it?
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2267[18:51:11] <jelly> cornel: looks like you're screwed if
you need 173.x, last existed in debian 7 and that one will probably
be EOL'd in a month
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2270[18:51:23] <cornel> jelly, oh :)
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2271[18:51:25] <jelly> wheezy = debian 7
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2272[18:51:26] <cornel> thank you
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2273[18:51:36] <jelly> stretch = debian 9 = current release
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2275[18:51:40] <Chars>
replaced-url
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2276[18:51:42] <Chars> jelly
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2277[18:51:45] <cornel> thank you BanHammor , jelly
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2278[18:51:45] <Chars> look here
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2280[18:52:08] <karlpinc> cornel: Is there no free software
driver?
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2281[18:52:17] <cornel> i have this old pc with two GB of ram and
dual core x64 processor, my heart breaks if i have to throw it away
:)
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2282[18:52:35] <cornel> karlpinc, performance is not that great
with nouveau
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2283[18:52:41] <karlpinc> cornel: It's usually only the
manufacture supplied drivers that are not maintained. The free ones
tend to keep working.
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2284[18:52:56] <karlpinc> cornel: Might work better with newer
free software.
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2285[18:52:58] <BanHammor> what's the GPU, cornel?
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2287[18:53:21] <jelly> Chars: if you've DDoSed tim off the
net it will be hard for you to contact them and ask to remove any
affected logs, won't it
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2288[18:53:28] <cornel> BanHammor, NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]
[10de:0322]
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2289[18:53:35] <jelly> Chars: chicken and egg problem
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2290[18:53:50] <BanHammor> oof, i'm pretty sure a toaster
has better performance than that one :P
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2291[18:53:57] <cornel> :D
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2292[18:54:31] <Chars> I'm just intriguing the cops
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2294[18:55:28] <cornel> i'll try debian 9 first and see how
it behaves
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2295[18:55:41] <cornel> i expect it will bve lighter than fedora
28 on this hardware
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2296[18:55:55] <jelly> cornel: that card is useless for 3D, but
it might work a-ok with a 2D GUI like xfce
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2297[18:56:15] <cornel> jelly, hat i've learned through
great pains
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2298[18:56:20] <cornel> T*
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2299[18:56:24] <jelly> we junked a couple GT7300 a few years back
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2301[18:56:39] <jelly> or some other letters next to 7300
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2302[18:57:16] <Chars> bye
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2304[18:57:25] <cornel> none on pci legacy, right?
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2307[19:00:04] <cornel> hm, i wonder, the netinst image has
support for this? RAID bus controller [0104]: Silicon Image, Inc.
SiI 3512 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller [1095:3512] (rev
01)
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2308[19:00:15] <cornel> but i guess i'll find out :)
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2311[19:00:37] <greycat> ,pciid 1095:3512
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2312[19:00:38] <judd> [1095:3512] is 'SiI 3512
[SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller' from 'Silicon
Image, Inc.' with kernel module 'sata-sil' in
stretch. See also
replaced-url
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2314[19:01:00] <cornel> a lot of tricks you know and i don't
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2316[19:01:22] <cornel> is stretch debian 8?
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2317[19:01:29] <jelly> !stretch
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2318[19:01:30] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current
<stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17.
"Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see
replaced-url
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2319[19:01:41] <cornel> great
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2320[19:01:44] <cornel> thanks a lot!
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2321[19:02:31] <jelly> sii3512 is an old sata chip and should be
supported on any recent linux
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2323[19:03:41] <frain> thank you for help jelly. zz
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2334[19:07:34] <cornel> thanks again, BanHammor , jelly, greycat
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2335[19:07:42] <cornel> gotta reboot to fix this machine
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2358[19:15:17] <no_gravity> Which command(s) do you fire off in
the terminal to upgrade a debian 8 machine to debian 9?
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2359[19:15:18] <domovoy> preseeding a debian installer, is there
a way to bypass partman and create the partitions from a script?
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2360[19:16:19] <greycat> !jessie->stretch
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2361[19:16:24] <greycat> dpkg, jessie->stretch
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2362[19:16:33] <greycat> dpkg, jessie->stretch
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2363[19:16:33] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
replaced-url
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2365[19:16:55] <BanHammor> pretty much yeah
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2428[19:53:34] <roylaprattep> Anyone did the upgrade jessie >
stretch successfully?
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2429[19:53:45] <greycat> Yes. Many, many people.
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2430[19:53:50] <roylaprattep> Sweet.
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2433[19:54:06] <zerocool> roylaprattep: i have done... one
successfully and man was it a jacked up setup... went without a
hitch
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2434[19:54:26] <zerocool> by one successfully i mean one ever and
it was successful
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2435[19:54:27] <roylaprattep> jacked up setup?
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2438[19:55:20] <roylaprattep> I just don't know yet if
it's worth it for me.
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2439[19:55:20] <zerocool> yeah like many layers of encrypted
volumes, kernel from backports, etc.
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2443[19:56:34] <zerocool> i just pointed apt at stable and told
it to upgrade... i had to enter single user mode once to deal with
the kernel issue i think but... it was all pretty straight
forward... my guess is that if it wasn't such a weird setup I
would have not had an issue at all
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2445[19:57:37] <roylaprattep> Sweet. Debian developpers are Jedi.
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2449[20:01:10] <emu_rider> Upgrade to Sid, like me, and enjoy
never having to worry about moving to the next release :P
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2450[20:01:47] <roylaprattep> Haha. It's a production
server, so no. :P
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2453[20:02:55] <roylaprattep> Dunno if debian gonna be out of Toy
Story's names soon, haha.
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2455[20:04:20] <emu_rider> I'm pretty sure I've only
watched one of the Toy Story movie once,
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2457[20:04:25] <emu_rider> so I wouldn't know
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2459[20:04:52] <greycat> I think they have several decades'
worth of minor characters left. Plus however many other sequels come
out.
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2465[20:06:29] <roylaprattep> Probably. I was kiddig.
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2466[20:06:33] <roylaprattep> kidding*
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2468[20:06:47] <CannedSpinach> "If you use
stable/testing/whatever as your running distribution, getting source
from unstable won't affect it."
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2469[20:06:52] <CannedSpinach> this is a quote from the build
tutorial
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2471[20:06:57] <CannedSpinach> I have been advised that it is bad
advice
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2472[20:07:00] <CannedSpinach> can someone please clarify?
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2474[20:07:08] <jelly> !deb-src
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2476[20:07:08] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source
package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a
"deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like
"deb-src
replaced-url
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2477[20:07:12] <greycat> deb-src lines from unstable are fine;
that's how you create backports
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2478[20:07:38] <CannedSpinach> so I can have a system that
installs binaries from stable but source packages from unstable?
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2479[20:07:43] <jelly> CannedSpinach: you may have misinterpreted
the advice or they may have misunderstood your intent
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2480[20:07:53] <Thedarkb> The firmware ISO has drivers for my
card but I couldn't get it to work last time I tried Debian.
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2481[20:07:54] <CannedSpinach> because that's what I was
planning on doing and I was told I would break Debian
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2482[20:07:59] <greycat> what are you trying to do>?
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2483[20:08:00] <Thedarkb> Before I try it again, anyone know why?
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2484[20:08:05] <Thedarkb> It kept getting softblocked.
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2485[20:08:12] <Thedarkb> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS:
Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo
CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz (2.23GHz) • Memory: Physical: 5.6 GiB Total
(4.0 GiB Free) Swap: 1.9 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) • Storage:
138.4 GB / 165.5 GB (27.1 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation
Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel
Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Contr
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2486[20:08:12] <Thedarkb> oller Hub • Uptime: 19h 31m 0s
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2487[20:08:19] <Thedarkb> I use Ubuntu and feel dirty because of
it
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2488[20:08:27] <roylaprattep> haha.
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2489[20:08:27] <jelly> Thedarkb: which card?
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2490[20:08:34] <CannedSpinach> greycat: I just want to have most
of the components of my system from stable, but a few that I need
cutting edge, I want to compile from source
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2492[20:09:07] <Thedarkb> ipw2200
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2494[20:09:13] <greycat> CannedSpinach: well, /msg dpkg ssb for
the intro material. Not all backports CAN be built.
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2495[20:09:15] <Thedarkb> I'm not putting Debian on this
Laptop.
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2496[20:09:23] <jelly> Thedarkb: that's rather old and ought
to work
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2497[20:09:24] <Thedarkb> Not yet anyway.
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2498[20:09:29] <Thedarkb> It didn't last time.
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2499[20:09:35] <CannedSpinach> greycat: would it be less of a
pain just to get everything from unstable?
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2500[20:09:35] <Thedarkb> It just kept getting soft blocked.
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2502[20:09:58] <greycat> CannedSpinach: It entirely depends on
*what* you are trying to build.
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2503[20:10:06] <jelly> Thedarkb: I have no idea what soft blocked
means (either in wifi context or other), sorry
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2504[20:10:10] <CannedSpinach> greycat: for example, I need a
later version of Python than Debian Stable offers
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2505[20:10:13] <emu_rider> CannedSpinach: If you want only some
cutting edge packages, you can pin apt preference
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2506[20:10:32] <greycat> CannedSpinach: might be simpler just to
build upstream tarballs instead of packages
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2507[20:10:32] <emu_rider> Just have to edit some files in
/etc/apt
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2508[20:10:43] <CannedSpinach> greycat: what do you mean by that?
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2510[20:11:01] <greycat> If you don't know what that means,
you're in WAY over your head
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2511[20:11:07] <greycat> !upstream
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2512[20:11:08] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, upstream
is where Debian developers download software from.
replaced-url
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2513[20:11:19] <jelly> emu_rider: now _that_ is potentially bad
advice
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2514[20:12:01] <jelly> CannedSpinach: you can use pyenv to build
whatever version of python you need if the system one is not good
enough
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2515[20:12:21] <CannedSpinach> greycat: wouldn't I want to
build a package so I can use the package manager to uninstall/update
it if need be?
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2516[20:12:24] <CannedSpinach> or is that not what you're
talking about?
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2519[20:12:52] <greycat> CannedSpinach: packages of
super-critical-important things like perl or python or libc are
REALLY not a good idea; better to use /usr/local or /opt or python
virtual envs or whatever.
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2520[20:12:54] <jelly> just install python3.5 build-deps before
dealing with pyenv
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2521[20:13:07] <jelly> ,v python3
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2522[20:13:08] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.4-1; sid:
3.6.5-3
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2524[20:13:29] <emu_rider> jelly: yea I guess that depends on
what they need from Sid
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2526[20:13:36] <jelly> emu_rider: NO
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2529[20:14:18] <greycat> emu_rider: I agree with jelly.
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2530[20:14:20] <jelly> emu_rider: one should really not add any
deb (binary) repo line from a newer branch unless they know
_exactly_ what they're doing and why
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2531[20:14:23] <CannedSpinach> I need Python 3.6.4 minimally
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2532[20:14:36] <jelly> emu_rider: and if they know, they
won't be asking here
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2533[20:15:20] <Logg_> valid: backports, virtual machine, try
building it yourself. invalid: mixing sid into stable
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2534[20:16:16] <emu_rider> Yea I got tangled in a big dependency
conflict once
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2535[20:16:22] <CannedSpinach> gotcha, thanks
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2536[20:16:29] <CannedSpinach> I'll probably just use a full
unstable system then
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2538[20:16:30] <jelly> CannedSpinach: then go with pyenv (or a
different way of building python interpreter from source into a
separate prefix), or use a newer branch than debian 9
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2539[20:16:31] <emu_rider> Couldnt get out of it and just
reinstalled
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2542[20:16:59] <CannedSpinach> I was hoping to get the benefits
of stable and unstable at the same time
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2543[20:17:07] <CannedSpinach> but if I have to choose one or the
other I will just go with unstable
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2544[20:17:11] <jelly> for devs at $work pyenv on stretch seems
to be working alright
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2546[20:17:26] <Logg_> I use a stable base system, then a virtual
machine for anything that would compromise it CannedSpinach
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2548[20:17:43] <CannedSpinach> jelly: I understand that but I
don't know how many other fresh packages I'll want in the
future
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2550[20:18:04] <CannedSpinach> for example I can't get
temperature readings for my CPU without a kernel from a few months
ago
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2551[20:18:14] <greycat> you can use a backported kernel
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2552[20:18:28] <Logg_> I'm using 4.15 on stable for my
graphics card
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2555[20:18:54] <jelly> CannedSpinach: yeah okay. But if
you're going to build stuff that is supposed to work elsewhere,
on someone's server, requiring unstable as environment may be
problematic
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2556[20:19:43] <CannedSpinach> jelly: can you elaborate please? I
am not exactly sure what you're getting at
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2557[20:19:54] <CannedSpinach> is your point that I should just
use Stretch and not worry about the unstable branch at all?
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2558[20:20:12] <greycat> How can a developer not understand
this...
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2561[20:20:25] <jelly> CannedSpinach: my point is when
you're a developer, presumably someone is going to use your
software sooner or later
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2562[20:20:27] <no_gravity> Hello! What was the link to update
from Debian 8 to Debian 9 again?
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2563[20:20:32] <Logg_> if your python program depended on certain
library versions that are only available in testing, then it would
be problematic for the user of your program CannedSpinach
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2564[20:20:35] <CannedSpinach> greycat: I am not a professional,
to be fair
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2565[20:20:35] <jelly> CannedSpinach: er, someone other than you
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2567[20:20:49] <AndreasLutro> CannedSpinach: just use docker, or
compile python yourself, or use a wrapper like pyenv which does it
for you
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2568[20:20:58] <CannedSpinach> oh, I understand
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2569[20:20:59] <CannedSpinach> let me clarify
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2570[20:21:03] <CannedSpinach> I am building a Discord bot
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2571[20:21:06] <CannedSpinach> it only has to work on my server
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2572[20:21:23] <CannedSpinach> the API I use requires a cutting
edge Python
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2573[20:21:25] <greycat> what os is your server running?
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2574[20:21:59] <CannedSpinach> it's my friend's server
but I believe he's just running an Ubuntu server
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2575[20:22:05] <jelly> no_gravity: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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2576[20:22:27] <no_gravity> jelly: Thanks!
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2577[20:22:35] <greycat> Then don't you need to develop it
using the tools that will be available on the target server?
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2581[20:22:55] <jelly> CannedSpinach: if you're targeting an
ubuntu installation, why not build on the same ubuntu release
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2582[20:23:06] <jelly> 18.04 LTS will have python 3.6
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2583[20:23:07] <CannedSpinach> he managed to get Python 3.6.4
running on his server
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2584[20:23:19] <CannedSpinach> I personally am not a fan of
Ubuntu
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2585[20:23:22] <jelly> (17.10 has it as well, but is not LTS)
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2588[20:23:32] <CannedSpinach> and development of this bot is not
the only use case for my machine
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2590[20:23:52] <Logg_> 18.04 is basically "out".
don't know the exact date, but it's this week
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2591[20:24:10] <greycat> Then perhaps what you actually want is
an Ubuntu chroot to use for testing.
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2592[20:24:20] <CannedSpinach> greycat: that could work
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2593[20:25:18] <greycat> You also seem to have a serious case of
SNS, so perhaps "Debian unstable" is what you want as your
real OS, and then various chroots for testing deployments.
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2594[20:25:42] <CannedSpinach> that is what I was thinking,
although the chroot idea is new
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2595[20:25:49] <CannedSpinach> I've been using Linux
seriously for about six months
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2596[20:25:52] <greycat> I imagine a lot of headaches as you
discover that all your "6 minutes old" tools fail to work
in every single server deployment....
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2598[20:26:13] <CannedSpinach> greycat: to be fair all I really
wanted was the _option_ to use 6 minutes old tools
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2599[20:26:21] <AndreasLutro> CannedSpinach: python is really
easy to compile on debian. you can use pyenv if you don't want
to figure out the configure/make invocations
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2601[20:26:32] <AndreasLutro> I switch between 3.5 and 3.6 all
the time on stretch
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2602[20:26:35] <Thedarkb> My wifi even gets softblocked in the
installer.
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2603[20:26:51] <no_gravity> When updating from Debian8 to
Debian9, do I need to keep the jessie-backports line in
sources.list?
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2604[20:27:07] <greycat> no_gravity: what did the release notes
say about it?
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2605[20:27:08] <jelly> no_gravity: read the docs, your question
is answered in there
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2606[20:27:53] <jelly> if you don't want to read them,
we're going to laugh at you when you come here with an easily
avoidable problem
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2607[20:27:59] <no_gravity> greycat, jelly: I don't see a
suggestion about keeping the line.
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2609[20:28:16] <CannedSpinach> greycat: I am coming from an Arch
install but considering switching to Debian as it seems like less of
a hassle to maintain
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2611[20:28:23] <no_gravity> I only see some info about what to do
when packages that need backports create problems.
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2613[20:28:32] <no_gravity> But should I delete the line from the
sources.list?
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2617[20:28:41] <CannedSpinach> I am under the impression that
Debian Unstable will still be easier to maintain than Arch
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2618[20:28:42] <jelly> CannedSpinach: sid is probably comparable
to arch in terms of hassle
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2619[20:29:12] <dr4ken> CannedSpinach, it is, specially if you do
"sudo apt remove --purge systemd*"
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2621[20:29:37] <emu_rider> jelly: Though you could upgrade to
Unstable and just leave it as is right?
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2622[20:29:37] <roylaprattep> apt-get*
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2623[20:29:39] <greycat> (don't do that)
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2625[20:29:50] <petn-randall> CannedSpinach: If you want less
hassle, you should go with stable.
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2626[20:30:00] <CannedSpinach> but I want less hassle _and_ fresh
packages
-
2627[20:30:05] <CannedSpinach> :(
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2628[20:30:06] <Thedarkb> I'm just getting wlp2s2 link is
not ready.
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2629[20:30:06] <dr4ken> roylaprattep, apt front end to apt-get
does work and come by default in debian
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2630[20:30:19] <roylaprattep> dr4ken: Oh, ok.
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2631[20:30:33] <dr4ken> CannedSpinach, less hassle and fresh
packages? install lulbuntu
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2632[20:30:37] <greycat> if you actually want to run sysvinit
instead of systemd, /msg dpkg stretch sysvinit
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2633[20:31:14] <no_gravity> Well, I will delete the
jessie-backports line.
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2634[20:31:19] <no_gravity> Let's see what happens...
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2635[20:31:19] <petn-randall> CannedSpinach: well tested, or
shiny new stuff. You get to pick one.
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2636[20:31:31] <CannedSpinach> what about well tested and _some_
shiny new stuff
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2637[20:31:43] <petn-randall> CannedSpinach: That's what
backports are for.
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2639[20:31:58] <greycat> ,v python3
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2640[20:31:59] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.4-1; sid:
3.6.5-3
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2642[20:32:12] <greycat> no backports, so I guess everyone just
uses this pyenv thing
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2643[20:32:14] <dr4ken> CannedSpinach, by it's nature, new
stuff is mroe unstable because it's more untested, you cannot
expect to have an army of beta tester testing _exactly_ your soft
and hardware configuration so they could debug any possible bugfix
to you
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2644[20:32:35] <dr4ken> CannedSpinach, that being said, debian
unstable is fun enough for home computer
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2646[20:32:55] <CannedSpinach> what if I just want most of my
system to be well tested and stable but am comfortable with a few
programs possibly being buggy
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2647[20:32:59] <karlpinc> CannedSpinach: I tend to stick with
stable, and use backports if I _need_ something new.
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2648[20:33:10] <Thedarkb> Seems like Debian is giving me period
correct issues for my card....
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2650[20:33:22] <roylaprattep> karlpinc: Same here, still on
Jessie with the backports repo enabled.
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2651[20:33:56] <jelly> no_gravity: the text about unofficial
sources and removing them before the process kind of applies to
backports. But they're on .debian.org domain now which is used
only for official resources so that's confusing.
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2653[20:34:07] <karlpinc> CannedSpinach: The "debian
way" is to fix/secure what's in stable by applying minimal
security patches. That way new features, which change code and
introduce new bugs, are left out. (Until the next release.)
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2654[20:34:11] <emu_rider> I think im addicted to running `sudo
apt update`
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2655[20:34:32] <karlpinc> roylaprattep: (Nothing wrong with
squeeze. :-)
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2656[20:34:37] <no_gravity> jelly: Well, I removed the line...
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2657[20:34:40] <no_gravity> Upgrade is running ... I give it a
50% chance of survival :)
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2658[20:34:49] <greycat> karlpinc: (unless it's samba) (or
bind9) (or ....)
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2660[20:35:48] <dr4ken> CannedSpinach, tbh, your description
seems to be exactly what does unstable offer
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2663[20:36:17] <karlpinc> greycat: I can't keep track of
what LTS support supports. But LTS runs out on squeeze next month
anyway so no matter.
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2664[20:36:21] <dr4ken> because is not like all the 90 GB of the
unstable repo are composed by new programs never ever used before by
humankind
-
2665[20:36:29] <greycat> you mean on wheezy
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2666[20:36:31] <dr4ken> most of it are just newer versions with
small bugfix of the rpevious one
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2667[20:36:37] <jelly> no_gravity: you've at least skimmed
thru
replaced-url
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2669[20:36:53] <roylaprattep> karlpinc: Sure.
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2672[20:37:03] <greycat> But I wasn't talking about LTS. I
was talking about regular security.debian.org updates to samba on
stable. And having to edit smb.conf files because of all the shit
they changed.
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2673[20:37:12] <no_gravity> jelly: Yeah
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2674[20:37:15] <no_gravity> Hmm... A new version of
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades is available. Keep or not.
How do I know?
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2675[20:37:32] <jelly> no_gravity: compare and draw a conclusion
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2676[20:37:36] <roylaprattep> karlpinc: There is nothing wrong
with any of the Debian's releases, there is only different
needs.
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2677[20:38:07] <jelly> no_gravity: if you haven't manually
edited it, it might be sane to use the new version
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2678[20:38:08] <CannedSpinach> dr4ken: yeah and honestly having
been on Arch for a few months now it's not like using an
unstable distro has caused me tons of grief. just a few minor
annoyances here and there.
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2680[20:38:11] <karlpinc> CannedSpinach: Many find unstable to be
plenty stable. But this also depends on where debian is in the
release cycle. Unstable is very stable right before release of a new
debian.
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2681[20:38:19] <no_gravity> jelly: I'm not good at reading
diffs, but it looks like only the comments have changed.
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2682[20:38:56] <no_gravity> I will go with the new version...
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2683[20:39:00] <karlpinc> greycat: I stay away from samba.
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2684[20:39:01] <CannedSpinach> it seems to me, an uneducated
observer, that the stable branch is mostly just for mission critical
machines that can't afford to behave differently than expected
even by a little bit
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2686[20:39:04] <jelly> no_gravity: you can use a second terminal
and vimdiff or some other tool you're more comfortable with
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2688[20:39:19] <Logg_> CannedSpinach, Stable is for people who
want a Stable system.
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2689[20:39:21] <jelly> CannedSpinach: my workstation is mission
critical.
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2690[20:39:38] <karlpinc> CannedSpinach: It's all a matter
of taste. My workstation is mission critical too.
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2691[20:39:48] <no_gravity> How is Debian financed?
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2692[20:39:50] <Thedarkb> wpa_supplicant isn't seeing the
driver.
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2693[20:40:01] <jelly> CannedSpinach: can you afford to have your
desktop broken for a couple days or hours?
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2694[20:40:09] <CannedSpinach> jelly: totally
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2695[20:40:12] <greycat> no_gravity: /msg dpkg spi
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2696[20:40:16] <jelly> or have to restore from backups?
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2697[20:40:17] <CannedSpinach> well, hours yes
-
2698[20:40:17] <karlpinc> CannedSpinach: Or, just at the wrong
time right before a deadline.
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2699[20:40:18] <CannedSpinach> days no
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2700[20:40:40] <CannedSpinach> I'm not a professional
anything, I'm just self-teaching programming
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2701[20:40:47] <CannedSpinach> I work retail
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2702[20:40:53] <karlpinc> Fear and Dread! Fear and Dread! ;-)
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2703[20:40:53] <jelly> CannedSpinach: workaround: have two
computers, never upgrade them at the same time
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2704[20:40:54] <petn-randall> no_gravity: There's a
non-profit behind it that does the finances.
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2706[20:41:26] <CannedSpinach> I have an old laptop I already run
Debian unstable on
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2708[20:41:38] <Thedarkb> I don't understand the point of
the firmware release if it won't actually load the firmware.
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2709[20:41:38] <Logg_> CannedSpinach: I say have fun, and report
any bugs you find... Stable will be waiting for you if you get
frustrated
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2710[20:41:45] <CannedSpinach> thanks Logg_
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2711[20:41:58] <no_gravity> "Restart services during package
upgrades without asking?" ... hmm. how do I know?
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2712[20:41:59] * karlpinc is supposed to have a spare computer laying
around. Instead there's always a spare I'm using for
something else I can spare if need-be.
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2713[20:42:15] <no_gravity> Let's hope the default
'No' is the right answer...
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2716[20:43:00] <no_gravity> Ah no, then I will get even more
prompts...
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2717[20:43:03] <karlpinc> no_gravity: It depends on who's
using the daemon's services, and if they can go without during
a restart.
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2718[20:43:03] <Logg_> no_gravity, generally it's fine to
restart services. Only if you're in a mission-critical
no-redundancy server environment would I worry about having services
restart
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2719[20:43:04] <no_gravity> Let's go with Yes...
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2720[20:43:43] <no_gravity> karlpinc, Logg_: I see. It's a
dev server only used by myself tonight.
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2722[20:43:49] <no_gravity> So I will go with Yes.
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2724[20:43:52] <jelly> no_gravity: you're going to reboot at
the end anyway
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2725[20:44:06] <Thedarkb> Does anyone have any idea why it
won't load the driver?
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2726[20:44:07] <no_gravity> jelly: Yup. I give it a 50% chance of
coming up :)
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2727[20:44:20] <Thedarkb> I tried loading it via modprobe but
wpa_supplicant isn't seeing it.
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2728[20:44:32] <dr4ken> Logg_, precisely in thoise situation
restarting a service is more funny
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2729[20:44:35] <scwizard> Is there some means of checking if a
list of packages has security updates via a web API? I'd like
to check if I need to rebuild my debian based containers using an
AWS lambda or similar
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2730[20:44:39] <dr4ken> unless you are working there offcourse...
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2731[20:44:53] <jelly> Thedarkb: can you pastebin your dmesg?
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2732[20:45:06] <Thedarkb> Not without wifi I can't
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2733[20:45:15] <jelly> no wired connection or usb stick?
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2735[20:45:23] <Thedarkb> I'm still in the installer.
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2736[20:45:32] <Thedarkb> It just gives me wlp2s2 link is not
ready
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2737[20:45:39] <Thedarkb> every... single... time...
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2738[20:45:47] <Thedarkb> ...every single time I try Debian...
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2739[20:45:48] <scwizard> of course you can check via a machine
running debian via apt, but I was hoping there was a aws lambda I
could use to poll such a thing
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2740[20:45:57] <dr4ken> becuase it is not ready -_- maybe is one
of those female nics that does need 5 min to dress up and dhcp
herself
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2741[20:46:02] <jelly> Thedarkb: do you know which specific iso
image are you using?
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2743[20:46:33] <Thedarkb> firmware-9.4.0-i386-netinst.iso
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2745[20:46:44] <dr4ken> Thedarkb, which version have you tried?
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2747[20:46:53] <Thedarkb> of?
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2748[20:46:59] <Logg_> not sure specific software scwizard, but
you could have some cron job output apt output to a file in your
webroot. secure with .htaccess if you're worried about that
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2749[20:47:00] * jelly eyes dr4ken
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2752[20:47:13] <tw> What's the apt option that prevents it
from marking as manually installed?
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2755[20:47:31] <tw> I know if I want to unmark it, it's
apt-mark auto <package>
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2756[20:47:42] <karlpinc> scwizard: That's an interesting
thought. For each package you'd have to supply a "update
since when". There's surely a webapi that lists the latest
package. I think. Because that's what happens when you search
packages.debian.org. Well, maybe not exactly.
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2757[20:47:43] <jelly> Thedarkb: does your bios disable 64bit
support or what?
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2758[20:47:51] <Thedarkb> It's a Pentium M machine.
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2760[20:48:03] <Thedarkb> 32 bit with PAE.
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2761[20:48:19] <dr4ken> guys, would i have an perf. impact if i
install a grsec enhanced kernel of lesbian, i mean debian?
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2762[20:48:20] <jelly> oh, I thought you said c2d, must have
mixed something up
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2763[20:48:22] <drummond> does anyone know the name of the
default, old one gnome 3 window theme)? >> this >>
replaced-url
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2764[20:48:31] <karlpinc> Thedarkb: You can take a picture with
your phone and post that to a paste site. (But I forget which paste
site is recommended for images.)
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2765[20:48:34] <greycat> Thedarkb: if it's an i586, stretch
does not support it
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2766[20:48:43] <Thedarkb> It's i686
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2767[20:48:46] <jelly> it's not a p1
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2768[20:48:49] <greycat> OK
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2769[20:48:54] <Thedarkb> The Pentium M is a Pentium III variant.
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2770[20:49:06] <Thedarkb> and the basis for the Core Duo and Core
Solo.
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2771[20:49:10] <scwizard> Logg_: yeah that works of course, but
was just curious if there was a different way
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2772[20:49:15] * greycat stabs Intel for reusing the same name for
vastly different products
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2773[20:49:18] <drummond> #opensuse
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2776[20:49:34] <scwizard> you could always have lambda bring up a
debian server every 6 hours which goes and checks and posts the
result back to the lambda
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2778[20:49:48] <Thedarkb> I'm experiencing wifi issues
period correct to this laptop.
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2779[20:50:01] <Thedarkb> I need to flash a new BIOS to use a
different card.
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2780[20:50:02] <Logg_> I thought Debian Stretch only dropped
support for the 386. I think I installed it on a pentium 2 just
recently
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2781[20:50:05] <Thedarkb> WiFi card.
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2782[20:50:13] <jelly> Thedarkb: dunno, maybe I'll try to
see if this image is broken on my 2005 thinkpad with same gen CPU
but iwl 2915 wifi
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2783[20:50:31] <Thedarkb> Why would they drop support for i586?
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2784[20:50:40] <Thedarkb> There isn't a big difference
between it and 686
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2785[20:50:43] <Thedarkb> Just PAE really.
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2786[20:51:15] <jelly> Thedarkb: because having to support old
CPUs in _userspace_ disables all sorts of useful optimizations
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2789[20:51:26] <jelly> it's not just about the kernel
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2791[20:51:40] <Thedarkb> You can't use SSE or MMX.
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2792[20:51:45] <Thedarkb> That's about it really.
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2793[20:52:07] <A|an> How do you get to fdisk from the
installation iso?
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2794[20:52:09] <tw> mmx is pretty damn common, fyi.
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2797[20:52:20] <A|an> It seems to want to make you use partman
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2798[20:52:26] <dr4ken> guys, would i have an perf. impact if i
install a grsec enhanced kernel on debian?
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2802[20:52:49] <tw> dr4ken: probably not a significant one, but
yes.
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2803[20:52:58] <tw> I doubt you will notice it.
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2805[20:53:04] <jelly> dr4ken: try it and see. It depends a LOT
on which features you enable in the kernel and which CPU you have
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2806[20:53:16] <karlpinc> A|an: There's a way to drop to
shell. But I don't recall offhand what it is. (You could try
reading the installation manual. :)
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2807[20:53:25] <Logg_> My Pentium II-MMX at 233 MHz is running
debian 9, kernel 4.9.0-4-686-pae.
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2808[20:53:27] <no_gravity> Rebooting .. fingers crossed ...
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2809[20:53:34] <Thedarkb> You can just switch TTYs
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2810[20:53:41] <karlpinc> A|an: Probably CTL-ALT-FN, like usual.
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2811[20:53:45] <A|an> yes...i did...still kinda iffy about it
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2812[20:53:50] <A|an> ah
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2813[20:53:59] <A|an> thanks
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2814[20:54:00] <jelly> dr4ken: vanilla kernel for the current
release has already taken a significant performance hit in the name
of security
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2815[20:54:01] <tw> Logg_: congrats, that's a 686, the first
of its line.
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2816[20:54:47] <tw> I don't know how you have enough memory
to run anything, but hey.
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2817[20:54:47] <Logg_> still works, still supported. :)
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2818[20:55:09] <dr4ken> jelly, really? could you elaborate on
that?
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2820[20:55:18] <jelly> dr4ken: if you can afford the source for
grsec patches you probably have good reasons to use it so it's
kind of a weird question
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2822[20:55:37] <dr4ken> jelly, specialyl because i just upgraded
from jessie to stretch and i find it lightning fast, maybe just
placebo?
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2825[20:55:58] <karlpinc> Logg_: Ever since packaging started
using xz compression my 686 runs like glue when working with
apt-stuff.
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2828[20:56:19] <tw> jelly: getting off topic, but the grsec guys
told me they don't sell to individuals, only as a corp
contract.
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2829[20:56:46] <dr4ken> tw, why do they onyl sells to companies?
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2830[20:56:53] <dr4ken> to stop piracy or smth?
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2831[20:56:54] <jelly> ask them.
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2832[20:56:56] <tw> hell if I know.
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2837[20:57:47] <jawr> brr debian!
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2839[20:57:59] <jawr> prometheus : Depends: libjs-mustache (>=
2.3.0-1~) but 0.4.2-2 is to be installed
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2840[20:58:01] <no_gravity> Holla, the machine rebooted fine!
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2841[20:58:02] <jawr> :(
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2842[20:58:14] <jelly> dpkg, tell jawr about basic apt
troubleshooting
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2846[20:58:27] <jelly> ,v prometheus
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2847[20:58:28] <judd> Package: prometheus on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 1.5.2+ds-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.5.2+ds-2+b3;
stretch-backports: 2.2.1+ds-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.2.1+ds-2; sid:
2.2.1+ds-2
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2849[20:58:49] <jelly> ,v libjs-mustache
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2850[20:58:50] <judd> Package: libjs-mustache on amd64 -- jessie:
0.4.2-2; jessie-backports: 2.3.0-2~bpo8+1; buster: 2.3.0-2; sid:
2.3.0-2; stretch: 2.3.0-2
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2851[20:59:03] <jawr> ah sorrty, im not backporting it
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2854[20:59:54] <jelly> jawr: you should have gotten a private
message from "dpkg" bot. Can you follow its instructions
carefully please.
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2856[21:00:02] <jawr> oh, sure
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2857[21:00:04] <greycat> it's pronounced "must
ache", not "moustache", right?
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2862[21:01:05] <tw> grsec telling me they have no options:
replaced-url
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2863[21:01:16] <tw> things may have changed since then.
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2864[21:01:17] <no_gravity> Now this is strange. The machine
updated to Debian 9 but it still runs PHP 5.6. How is that possible?
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2866[21:01:35] <karlpinc> no_gravity: Debian upgrades pretty
well. But there's also stuff to be done to get ready for the
_next_release. Deleting obsolete packages. Deleting packages with
"p" status (where only the configs are left). And, if
you're running postgresql make sure to read the
/usr/share/doc/postgresql*/README.Debian.gz file to see how to
complete your postgres upgrade!
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2867[21:01:44] <greycat> That's normal. If you want to
migrate to php7 you have to take explicit steps. That way things
don't just break.
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2869[21:02:15] <no_gravity> greycat: But a clean install of
Debian 9 would *only* come with PHP 7, right?
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2870[21:02:19] <greycat> correct
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2871[21:02:22] <karlpinc> no_gravity: And see the instructions in
/usr/share/dev/README.Debian regards the eth0 interface name needing
to change.
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2872[21:02:33] <greycat> interface names don't change on an
upgrade
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2873[21:02:34] <jelly> no_gravity: a clean install of debian 9
would not come with php at all!
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2874[21:02:38] <greycat> heh
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2875[21:02:41] <karlpinc> oops. /usr/share/udev/....
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2876[21:02:45] <jawr> jelly:
replaced-url
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2877[21:02:56] <no_gravity> greycat: So where does it pull PHP 5
from right now? Is PHP 5 still in the repos of Debian 9=
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2878[21:02:59] <no_gravity> greycat: So where does it pull PHP 5
from right now? Is PHP 5 still in the repos of Debian 9?
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2879[21:03:00] <greycat> You only get the new-style interface
names on a clean stretch install, or if you take steps to get it.
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2880[21:03:14] <greycat> no_gravity: you still have the jessie
php packages. And you can leave it that way as long as you like.
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2881[21:03:43] <jelly> jawr: if you want to install stuff from
jessie-backports, you have to explicitely ask apt to do that
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2882[21:03:49] <no_gravity> greycat: But how are they kept up to
date? How do they get security fixes?
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2883[21:03:57] <greycat> They aren't, and they don't.
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2884[21:04:01] <jawr> yup, ill just install those two
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2885[21:04:05] <jawr> and then prom
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2886[21:04:09] <jawr> merci
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2887[21:04:09] <no_gravity> So the system is a frankenstein now?
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2888[21:04:10] <jelly> jawr: apt-get -t ...
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2889[21:04:17] <no_gravity> A mix of Debian 8 and Debian 9?
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2890[21:04:20] <karlpinc> no_gravity: No, it just contains
obsolete packages.
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2891[21:04:23] <greycat> no_gravity: no, you just have some old
php packages that don't get updates.
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2892[21:04:34] <no_gravity> How can I make it a pure Debian 9?
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2894[21:04:37] <dr4ken> no_gravity, php5 is officially deprecated
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2895[21:04:43] <greycat> After you've verified that all your
PHP apps will run on php7 then you can make the switch.
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2897[21:04:50] <no_gravity> greycat: How?
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2898[21:04:50] <dr4ken> it wont receive any new featured nor
security patch
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2901[21:05:08] <greycat> Make sure the relevant php7 packages are
installed, and then run a2enmod as required.
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2902[21:05:17] <dr4ken> no_gravity, install debian 9 in a
VirtualMachine, and install your apps there and see if their work
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2903[21:05:23] <karlpinc> no_gravity: You clean up all the
obsolete packages etc, like I said above. Instructions are in the
release notes.
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2904[21:05:32] <no_gravity> dr4ken: This is the VM where I want
to test it.
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2905[21:05:38] <jelly> tw: it's not hard or expensive to
create a LLC in .uk
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2906[21:05:59] <no_gravity> I'm at a loss now. I'm not
sure how to get to a 'Debian 9' state of affairs.
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2907[21:06:58] <no_gravity> Can I "apt-get purge php"
or something?
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2910[21:07:22] <karlpinc> no_gravity: Start here:
replaced-url
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2911[21:07:30] <greycat> Just install the php7* packages that you
actually need, and then enable it as a module in apache if
that's what you're doing.
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2915[21:08:21] <no_gravity> karlpinc: It says to purge what
"dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }'" shows.
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2916[21:08:35] <no_gravity> karlpinc: But I don't see PHP in
that list.
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2917[21:08:52] <greycat> because php5 has not been REMOVED
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2919[21:08:55] <greycat> it is still THERE
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2921[21:09:18] <no_gravity> So how do I get rid of everything
that does not belong to Debian 9?
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2922[21:09:21] <no_gravity> I don't want any of it.
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2923[21:09:29] <no_gravity> I want a pure Debian 9 system.
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2924[21:09:32] <karlpinc> no_gravity: It says "f you are
using aptitude, you will see a listing of these packages in the
“Obsolete and Locally Created Packages” entry. "
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2925[21:09:42] <greycat> If you want "pure", reinstall
from scratch.
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2927[21:09:55] <greycat> I don't know why you want this,
but...
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2928[21:10:09] <karlpinc> no_gravity: I always follow the path of
least resistance and use "aptitude", just like that in
interactive mode, and remove all the obsolete packages.
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2930[21:10:20] <emu_rider> If reinstall, you can reuse /home and
keep all personal data
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2932[21:10:29] <no_gravity> greycat: Because I want to see if an
application works on Debian 9.
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2933[21:10:33] <karlpinc> no_gravity: The interactive aptitude
interface is a pain, but I only have to use it every couple of
years, so....
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2934[21:10:51] <greycat> no_gravity: then why does
"purity" matter?
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2935[21:10:51] <no_gravity> karlpinc: How do you launch that
interactive aptitude?
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2936[21:10:57] <karlpinc> no_gravity: aptitude
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2937[21:11:08] <no_gravity> karlpinc: -bash: aptitude: command
not found
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2938[21:11:16] <emu_rider> sudo ?
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2939[21:11:21] <karlpinc> no_gravity: apt-get install aptitude
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2941[21:11:28] <no_gravity> greycat: Because I don't want to
see if it works on a frankenstein system with php 5 on debian 9.
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2942[21:11:41] <greycat> Is it a PHP application?
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2943[21:11:42] <karlpinc> no_gravity: You will need to be root to
run aptitude and remove packages.
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2944[21:12:06] <no_gravity> greycat: Yup. Debian+Apache+PHP+MySql
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2946[21:12:22] <dr4ken> what function does do libc-bin in apt
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2947[21:12:25] <greycat> Then complete the php7 migration step.
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2949[21:12:48] <no_gravity> karlpinc: And now purge everything in
'Obsolete and Locally Created Packages'?
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2950[21:13:01] <karlpinc> no_gravity: You then use keyboard
arrows (?) to go over the "Obsolete..." line and (maybe)
press the "-" key to say you want to delete them, and then
press the "g" key to do it. (But don't trust me, look
at the on-screen instructions which are supposed to give you
guidance to the interface.)
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2951[21:13:14] <no_gravity> greycat: Why not deinstall PHP and
then install it from the debian 9 repos?
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2953[21:13:30] <greycat> Do whatever you want.
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2955[21:13:56] <greycat> MOST people who upgrade a system are
primarily concerned with making sure things that USED to work STILL
WORK.
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2956[21:14:21] <no_gravity> karlpinc: How do I purge those
things?
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2959[21:15:41] <karlpinc> no_gravity: I'd not purge, just in
case, until _after_. Just in case there's something needs
keeping. I don't know about mysql but postgres needs it's
old software there in order to migrate to the new software. (At
least up until now, they've new stuff that migrates without
both being installed.) Point being, you need to be careful deleting
old stuff. Various packages will have README.Debian files with
specifics -- these are
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2960[21:15:41] <karlpinc> generally listed in the Debian release
notes.
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2961[21:16:17] <karlpinc> no_gravity: Might be best to _first_
install the new stuff, then delete the old when the new stuff works.
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2962[21:16:18] <no_gravity> Well, I will try to purge everything
that is not Debian 9.
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2964[21:16:38] <greycat> Why did you even do an upgrade at all?
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2965[21:16:49] <greycat> If you wanted a blank slate, why
didn't you just do a full install?
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2967[21:16:53] <dr4ken> greycat, because unlike windows, we do
have 9 version
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2968[21:16:56] <jelly> no_gravity: also, /msg dpkg obsolete
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2970[21:17:31] <karlpinc> no_gravity: If you're poking at a
VM copy and seeing what breaks, well, go for it.
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2971[21:17:34] <no_gravity> greycat: To keep some directories
with stuff, some user accounts and some config files.
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2976[21:17:58] <karlpinc> no_gravity: (The config files are
always the big reason why I upgrade.)
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2979[21:18:20] <no_gravity> jelly: That tells me how to *find*
them. But how do I get rid of them?
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2983[21:18:52] <karlpinc> no_gravity: I told you above how to use
aptitude to delete obsolete packags. (So far as I can recall.)
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2984[21:19:08] <no_gravity> karlpinc: No, you just told me how to
see them on screen in a menu.
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2986[21:19:25] <no_gravity> karlpinc: I see them. Now I just need
some hammer to destroy them.
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2990[21:19:50] <karlpinc> no_gravity: No. I said to use
"-" to mark them for deletion and "g" to make
your marks "real".
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2994[21:20:02] <no_gravity> karlpinc: Aha! Let me try that -g
hammer then...
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2995[21:20:46] <karlpinc> no_gravity: I think the release notes
have instructions about how to do this. But at the beginning to get
rid of anything left over from previous upgrades before upgrading
again. You'd have to RTFM.
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2997[21:21:01] <no_gravity> karlpinc: I'm not sure when to
press - and g.
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3001[21:21:39] <no_gravity> karlpinc: pressing - seems to do
nothing.
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3002[21:21:39] <karlpinc> no_gravity: You have to hilight the
"Obsolete" line (with the arrow keys?)
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3005[21:22:19] <no_gravity> karlpinc: Yeah, and then?
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3006[21:22:26] <jelly> no_gravity: aptitude has commands other
than "search", and they all take the same search syntax
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3007[21:22:30] <karlpinc> no_gravity: I hate the interface. It
might change color or leave a mark at the left. Or maybe - is not
the right key. Either look for the instruction manual or look hard
at the screen. Somewhere on the screen it has "hints".
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3008[21:23:14] <karlpinc> jelly: I've never figured out how
to use the aptitude command line to do the obsolete purge. The
upgrade guide always talks about the interactive interface.
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3009[21:23:26] <jelly> karlpinc: it's really trivial
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3010[21:23:46] <karlpinc> jelly: Surely there's another apt
related way. Ah, you know?
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3011[21:23:57] <jelly> you can aptitude search foo, and you can
aptitude remove foo
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3012[21:24:09] <jelly> foo matches the exact same set of packages
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3013[21:24:23] <no_gravity> Ok here is a new plan:
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3014[21:24:25] <karlpinc> jelly: But to aptitude search all the
obsolete packages, not just a particular package?
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3015[21:24:32] <jelly> karlpinc: /msg dpkg obsolete
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3018[21:24:46] <no_gravity> aptitude search ?obsolete > o;
apt-get --purge remove ($cat o)
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3020[21:24:52] <thardman22> #lfs-support
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3021[21:24:53] <no_gravity> What do you guys think of this line?
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3022[21:25:00] <greycat> I think it's wrong.
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3024[21:25:28] <greycat> the ? should be quoted/escaped, and the
($...) was clearly intended to be $(...) but I don't know
what's in the file
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3025[21:25:29] <karlpinc> no_gravity: aptitude remove ~o
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3026[21:25:29] <jelly> no_gravity: aptitude remove ... takes the
same search syntax as aptitude search ...
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3027[21:25:33] <no_gravity> Next try: aptitude search ?obsolete
> o; apt-get --purge remove $(cat o)
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3030[21:25:56] <no_gravity> jelly: aptitude remove ?obsolete?
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3032[21:26:13] <greycat> the ? should be quoted/escaped for
safety
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3033[21:26:22] <no_gravity> karlpinc: I have the feeling ~o is
short for ?obsolete
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3035[21:26:27] <jelly> greycat: as should be ~o honestly
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3036[21:26:33] <greycat> yes
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3037[21:26:34] <karlpinc> jelly: One day I'm going to file a
bug report with the release note people and get them to include that
command line.
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3039[21:26:44] <no_gravity> Ok, new plan: aptitude remove ~o
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3040[21:26:51] <no_gravity> What do you guys think about that
one?
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3041[21:27:02] <greycat> the ~ should be quoted/escaped for
safety
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3042[21:27:08] <no_gravity> greycat: how?
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3043[21:27:10] <karlpinc> no_gravity: Jelly is right. Should be:
aptitude remove '~o'
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3044[21:27:13] <greycat> \ or " or '
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3045[21:27:19] <no_gravity> Ok
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3046[21:27:29] <no_gravity> Should I add --purge?
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3047[21:27:35] <jelly> no_gravity: I think you should take a look
at the list and see which tools you still need and whether you want
to purge config files as well or just remove
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3048[21:27:46] <jelly> apritude does not have a --purge
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3050[21:28:06] <jelly> it does however have commands other than
"search" and "remove"
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3051[21:28:11] <no_gravity> jelly: Well, if it is not from the
Debian 9 repos, why would I keep it?
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3052[21:28:13] <karlpinc> no_gravity: If you're upgrading
because you want to keep configs, don't purge configs until you
know you no longer need them.
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3055[21:28:45] <jelly> no_gravity: because you have not verified
the functionality you're using on this system relies on any
obsolete packages yet
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3057[21:29:12] <no_gravity> jelly: I am did the update to find
out exactly that.
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3058[21:29:21] <karlpinc> no_gravity: You might want to install
debian 9 packages which will use those configs.
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3061[21:29:40] <no_gravity> karlpinc: C'est la vie, then I
will have to write the configs again :)
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3062[21:29:47] <jelly> no_gravity: I did not say
"packages" but functionality. Maybe you have a custom tool
that only works with php5
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3064[21:30:06] <no_gravity> jelly: I did the update to find out
exactly that.
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3066[21:30:19] <no_gravity> jelly: Then that tool would have to
be fixed.
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3067[21:30:22] <jelly> maybe you like a music player that does
not exist in stretch any more
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3070[21:30:38] <greycat> purging configs doesn't help you
with this goal. it's just a distractin.
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3071[21:30:45] <no_gravity> Ok, so let's go with: aptitude
remove '~o'
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3073[21:31:30] <jelly> no_gravity: it would indeed have to be
fixed. But you don't know about it yet and removal of all the
obsolete stuff might break things you actually use.
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3074[21:31:36] <no_gravity> Alea jacta est.
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3075[21:31:49] <no_gravity> I did the remove.
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3076[21:32:02] <no_gravity> Let's reboot ...
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3078[21:32:55] <jelly> things get more complex if you have more
users on the system, or things that only run occasionally
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3079[21:33:41] <no_gravity> The system still rebooted :)
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3080[21:34:12] <jelly> so the rebooting functionality works
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3081[21:34:13] <DuncanT> Hi. It there a detailed tutorial on
debian/rules for cases where I'm packaging something that
doesn't use configure/make/make install? Specifically I'm
trying to package an upstream build binary
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3082[21:34:18] <no_gravity> jelly: Yeah!
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3085[21:37:01] <no_gravity> Is 'apt-get install
php-mysql' still the command or do you need 'apt-get
install php-mariadb' or something like that now?
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3086[21:37:16] <no_gravity> Looks like php-mysql works.
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3087[21:37:21] <greycat> I would do "apt-cache search php7
mysql" and see.
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3088[21:37:33] <no_gravity> Guess its an alias now or something.
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3089[21:37:46] <no_gravity> greycat: mysql or mariadb?
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3090[21:37:51] <greycat> Either, both.
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3091[21:37:55] <no_gravity> Afaik there is no more mysql in
Debian 9.
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3092[21:37:55] <jelly> yes.
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3094[21:38:13] <greycat> ,info php-mysql
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3095[21:38:14] <judd> Package php-mysql (php, optional) in
stretch/amd64: MySQL module for PHP [default]. Version: 1:7.0+49;
Size: 4.9k; Installed: 12k
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3096[21:38:35] <greycat> "Installed: 12k" strongly
implies a transitional or meta package.
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3097[21:38:36] <jelly> still doesn't mean everyone changed
the name of their driver-to-connect-to-mysql-compatible-server
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3103[21:39:31] <jelly> if it's a metapackage, it's
probably because of php transition not because of php module name
change
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3105[21:39:55] <jelly> otherwise we'd have a php-mariadb,
php-percona-server, php-drizzle
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3107[21:40:13] <greycat> so glad I chose postgresql
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3108[21:40:19] <Tenkawa> arent they used for bundling purposes
too?
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3110[21:41:09] <Tenkawa> pieces and parts but not quite whole
packages
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3111[21:41:12] <jelly> yes, but it's unlikely mysql-php
thingy split into three different thingies
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3112[21:41:20] <Tenkawa> yeah i agree
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3113[21:41:39] * jelly can't be bothered to look at apt-cache show
php-mysql
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3114[21:42:00] <no_gravity> Strange, now when I enter
'reset', I get some funky chars on the screen for a while
and then a 'p'.
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3115[21:42:02] <Kelsar> the protocol keeps the name mysql
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3118[21:42:36] <jelly> is the protocol allowed to do that?!?
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3119[21:42:55] <greycat> Quick, find the protocol for protocols!
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3120[21:43:35] <no_gravity> This looks good: OK (42 tests, 281
assertions)
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3121[21:43:53] <jelly> no_gravity: sounds like you don't
have the correct TERM value for your terminal emulator.
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3122[21:44:17] <jelly> reset just does whatever's in the
terminfo definition
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3124[21:44:40] <no_gravity> jelly: Maybe another frankenstein
leftover from Debian 8?
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3125[21:44:57] <greycat> Or maybe you should find out what TERM
is set to, and what kind of terminal you are using.
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3127[21:45:13] <jelly> if Termuxology says it's xterm but
doesn't actually behave like xterm, who knows what's going
to happen
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3129[21:45:37] <jelly> (there's no such thing as
Termuxology)
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3130[21:45:38] <no_gravity> echo $TERM
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3131[21:45:45] <no_gravity> xterm-256color
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3133[21:45:55] <Tenkawa> theres so many TERM values nowadays
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3134[21:46:14] <no_gravity> In screen, reset works just fine.
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3136[21:46:37] <no_gravity> Today I learned how to run a split
screen inside of screen.
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3137[21:46:40] <no_gravity> I like that a lot.
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3138[21:46:44] * Tenkawa still remembers when he could rely on vt100 or
xterm working properly for everything
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3139[21:46:48] <ejr> hi. i am using debian 9 on a ssd, but the
installation is dd'd from a hdd. since i am booting from the
ssd I get the error "ata2.00: failed to set xfermode"
before i enter my decryption password. how can this be solved?
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3140[21:47:25] <jelly> ejr: does decryption fail because of that?
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3141[21:47:30] <ejr> i already tried adding ircpoll to grub and
also libata..force=noncq, but that did not solve it
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3142[21:47:32] <no_gravity> How do I start a new shell in a split
region of screen?
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3143[21:47:34] <ejr> jelly: no
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3144[21:47:50] <jelly> then it's just a cosmetic issue, not
much to solve
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3145[21:48:19] <no_gravity> Ah, CTRL+a a c
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3147[21:48:45] <ejr> jelly: well, in dmesg it says "device
not ready, forcing hardreset. / configured for UDMA/100 in relation
to ata2. So I wonder whether this might be an issue
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3148[21:48:47] <jelly> you can probably lower kernel.printk= on
the boot command line if it bothers you but it might hide other
things
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3151[21:49:22] <jelly> ejr: now _that_ suggests actual issues
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3152[21:49:59] <jelly> you can always try a newer kernel and see
if it goes away
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3154[21:50:26] <jelly> ejr: which debian release is this, and do
you have a newish hardware platform?
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3155[21:50:33] <jelly> oh, 9
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3156[21:51:10] <ejr> i should perhaps add that I am using a
thinkpad t42, which usually runs IDE harddrives. I replaced that one
with the ssd and the ssd is running in the ultrabay slot in a dvd
adapter, so it's a complicated setup. But it works, I can run
the system just fine. Just wondering whether I could actually get
higher performance (actual ssd performance) by changing some
settings in either bios or kernel/linux
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3159[21:51:22] <jelly> that's... not newish
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3161[21:51:34] <ejr> right :P
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3163[21:52:34] <jelly> ejr: does ultrabay actually expose a sata
port or is there some sort of additional ide/sata bridge in play?
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3164[21:53:24] <tw> How do I manually unpack a deb?
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3165[21:53:31] <ejr> it's an sata/ssd adapter onto which the
ssd is attached. and that adapter goes into the ultraby slot
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3166[21:53:42] <jelly> ejr: eh, be happy it works at all
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3167[21:53:43] <greycat> tw: dpkg -x
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3168[21:54:35] <ejr> jelly: probably i should, yes. anyway, in
some days I will have a T60 available to try whether it also gives
me this error message so that I know whether it's due to the
hardware of the T42 or not
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3173[21:55:48] <ejr> oh wait, actually, I already tried it on my
X60 with its ultrabase ultrabay slot, and it also gave me that
error. so it must be due to either the kernel or adapter
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3174[21:55:54] <ejr> maybe I should just do a clean reinstall.
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3175[21:55:56] <jelly> T60 at least has a sata controller. But
it's sata1 so it's anyone's guess if a recent ssd is
going to work and boot
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3176[21:56:06] <tw> greycat: worked, thanks.
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3178[21:56:47] <jelly> ejr: wild-ass guess: probably the adapter
and it's probably not worth investigating
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3179[21:57:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1608
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3180[21:57:01] <glm> How does one link to pulseaudio? I have a
g++ .... -lpulse-simple main.cpp directive in my Makefile, and a
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu:
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3181[21:57:12] <ejr> jelly: ok. thanks
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3182[21:57:13] <glm> library called libpulse-simple
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3183[21:57:31] <glm> but somehow the linker cant find the lib
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3185[21:57:51] <jelly> glm: libpulse-dev installed?
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3187[21:57:57] <greycat> glm: there should be a *.so file
(symlink) typically provided by the -dev package
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3188[21:58:37] <greycat> judd file libpulse-simple.so
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3189[21:58:40] <judd> Search for libpulse-simple.so in
stretch/amd64: libpulse-dev:
usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpulse-simple.so; libroar-compat2:
usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/roaraudio/complibs/libpulse-simple.so
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3191[21:59:05] <tw> glm: also, g++ -Wl,-verbose to get more info
from the linker
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3192[21:59:11] <glm> Bingo...I had a -static flag in
there...messed everything up
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3193[21:59:14] <glm> Thanks a lot fellas
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3194[21:59:51] <jelly> huh. They really don't provide a .a
with that name
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3195[22:00:06] <Tenkawa> that was his point
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3196[22:00:15] <Tenkawa> thats why it failed
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3197[22:00:32] <Tenkawa> he had been using a static fkag
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3198[22:00:36] <Tenkawa> er flag
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3199[22:00:50] <jelly> yes. I'm just expressing some
surprise.
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3200[22:01:09] <Tenkawa> I switch between them all the time
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3201[22:01:45] <tw> Probably doesn't make a whole lot of
sense for pulseaudio. So much of it is shared.
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3202[22:01:55] <Tenkawa> but I also build a lot of code to go in
self contained binaries
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3203[22:02:18] <Tenkawa> not stuff like pulse
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3239[22:13:43] <tw> Tried to crossgrade x86->amd64 per the
wiki.debian.org/crossgrading article; ended up with this:
replaced-url
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3241[22:14:19] <tw> Any recommendations on how to get aptitude to
tell me why it thinks the package is broken?
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3244[22:14:52] <tw> `apt-get -f install` shows some autoremovable
packages, but takes no further action.
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3246[22:16:06] <Tenkawa> pastebin it
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3247[22:16:31] <jelly> how far did you come?
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3248[22:16:50] <tw> I'm at "caveats and known
problems"
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3249[22:17:21] <tw> the last thing should have swapped my
architecture selections.
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3250[22:17:23] <Tenkawa> sorry... didnt see your paste
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3251[22:17:30] <Tenkawa> it scrolled off my screen
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3252[22:18:05] <Tenkawa> missed first part of what you had said
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3253[22:18:08] <Tenkawa> my bad
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3254[22:18:36] <domovoy_> how would i go to rebuild
debian-installer netboot so that it includes _and_ use a modified
partman-auto udeb? I built the partman-auto udeb, put it in
localudebs, added it to pkg-lists/local, and then built netboot. It
seems to have included it (Warning: Building with localudebs), the
resulting installer works, but doesn't seem to use the modified
udeb (i only modified a particular log message, i still see the
original one)
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3255[22:18:47] <jelly> tw: what was the last command you actually
did?
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3256[22:18:52] <jelly> apt-get -f install?
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3257[22:18:57] <tw> Yes.
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3259[22:19:20] <jelly> and dpkg --print-architecture is at amd64?
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3265[22:20:44] <tw>
replaced-url
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3266[22:20:46] <tw> yes.
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3268[22:21:07] <jelly> tw: can you install bsdutils:amd64 ?
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3271[22:22:42] <tw> ah, no, that didn't work, I'll make
that one install and come back.
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3278[22:25:04] <jelly> tw: and what do dependencies for some of
those look like. dpkg -l libgcc1 libc6 debianutils libsystemd0
bsdmainutils
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3283[22:28:47] <phantomcircuit> im trying to install 9.4.0 using
the netinst iso via serial console
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3285[22:29:17] <phantomcircuit> but the bootloader menu is a
single line of text on the left side of the terminal
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3287[22:29:57] <phantomcircuit> the systems pre-bootloader menu
is fine, it's just the pseudo gui menu that's messed up,
so i assume some escape codes are wrong or something?
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3309[22:42:17] <tw> jelly: some deps
replaced-url
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3313[22:43:31] <tw> If I try aptitude reinstall apt, it
doesn't complain but it still reports the package as broken.
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3335[22:52:00] <tw> I'm just going to assume that aptitude
has lost its marbles and everything is actually fine.
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3351[22:55:50] <Lope> guys I'm trying to run a tc script
that I had working on another computer. "We have an error
talking to the kernel" `tc filter add dev ppp0 parent 1:0
protocol ip prio 10 u32 match ip tos 0x10 0xff flowid 1:10` 4.9
kernel. Maybe I'm missing some kernel module(s)?
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3390[23:17:51] <domovoy_> how would i go to rebuild
debian-installer netboot so that it includes _and_ use a modified
partman-auto udeb? I incremented partman-auto udeb version, built
it, put it in localudebs, added it to pkg-lists/local, and then
built netboot. But it still get it from the mirror (Get:7
replaced-url
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