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7[00:01:54] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: good question. I have never used a keyfile for /
8[00:02:00] <irreleph4nt> so can't tell :/
9[00:02:06] <irreleph4nt> I am scapping this install though
10[00:02:10] <irreleph4nt> Done with Debian :D
11[00:02:24] <SerajewelKS> yeah i'm just using that as an example for why debian might choose not to do a bunch of magic for you re: crypttab
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22[00:05:54] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: the -v switch to update-initramfs might also help you figure out why detection isn't working
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24[00:06:45] <SerajewelKS> e.g. i see lines like "Calling hook cryptroot" "Copying module directory kernel/arch/x86/crypto"
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26[00:07:46] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: welp. too late. That Debian install is gone now
27[00:08:06] <SerajewelKS> ok
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29[00:08:27] <irreleph4nt> Trying one more time with the automated install stuff
30[00:08:44] <irreleph4nt> but am already bugged out by the fact that I have to create a non-root user
31[00:08:50] <irreleph4nt> I just don't get Debian :D
32[00:08:55] <amikot40> may I ask stupid and maybe inproper here question?
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35[00:09:21] <SerajewelKS> amikot40: you can ask it and we can choose whether to answer
36[00:09:28] <amikot40> ok :)
37[00:10:26] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: i'm looking at the arch wiki and it requires some very specific config to boot / from a LUKS volume as well, it's just specified using kernel parameters
38[00:10:58] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: yup, which IMHO is a lot easiert o understand an _do_
39[00:11:00] <irreleph4nt> and*
40[00:11:11] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: FWIW you may also have to update your refind configuration in that case
41[00:11:29] <SerajewelKS> because AIUI debian also requires those kernel arguments, it just automatically builds them based on the contents of your crypttab
42[00:11:42] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: I don't think the debian install scripts will let me choose anything other than Grub
43[00:12:05] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: i mean if you want to use arch then use arch. nobody is forcing you to use debian. if you've found an issue then a bug report could be warranted.
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45[00:12:44] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well, I am forced to use Debian by the fact I want OpenMediaVault
46[00:12:48] <amikot40> I have query to SQL Srv with XML inside I need to put this query in quotes to assign it to variable in PHP - but inside query I have SQL variable assignation where XML in single quotes is assigned to SQL variable, and inside XML i have double quotes where text is assigned to xml variables. How to put it all together ? which quotes can I escape ?
47[00:13:13] <SerajewelKS> hmm, no, my grub config doesn't reference crypt or luks at all
48[00:14:53] <SerajewelKS> i don't know how much refind may play into this issue since i haven't used it
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50[00:15:14] <SerajewelKS> wait this is openmediavault?
51[00:15:57] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: I was about to say that two things make my life hard right now: 1) I have limited experience with Debian because I dread it and 2) refind doesn't work well with standard Debian it seems
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53[00:16:02] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: no, not yet
54[00:16:09] <SerajewelKS> oh okay
55[00:16:21] <irreleph4nt> I was looking to create a minimal Debian install and the put OMV on top of it
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57[00:16:28] <irreleph4nt> instead of using whatever OMV provides
58[00:16:46] <SerajewelKS> all i can suggest at this point is that after running update-initramfs you may also need to rebuild your refind config
59[00:16:57] <SerajewelKS> i don't know how mature the config generation scripts are for refind
60[00:17:13] <irreleph4nt> refind in contrast to GRUB does not need to be rebuild
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62[00:17:35] <SerajewelKS> particularly if you can verify that crypt things are getting put in the initrd, then it's probably a refind config problem
63[00:17:58] <irreleph4nt> the most important parts for the config of refind are agnostic of the initramfs
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67[00:18:49] <irreleph4nt> so even if you change something about init, as long as the .img file can be found where you pointed refind to, then that's that
68[00:18:49] <SerajewelKS> wait, is refind booting linux directly or is it chaining to grub?
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71[00:19:11] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: refind is a bootloader just like GRUB is
72[00:19:15] <irreleph4nt> so no chaining needed
73[00:19:21] <SerajewelKS> okay, are you 100% that the kernel arguments are correct then?
74[00:19:31] <irreleph4nt> yup
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76[00:19:49] <SerajewelKS> i have to head home otherwise i'd look, but i'd suggest posting your refind config
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78[00:20:03] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: will do at some point later
79[00:20:06] <irreleph4nt> thanks again
80[00:20:09] <SerajewelKS> np
81[00:20:10] <irreleph4nt> have a good night
82[00:20:22] <SerajewelKS> you too. i may be back on in a few hours. i'll read the scrollback to see where you ended up.
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85[00:21:46] <irreleph4nt> well, the automated install of Debian worked
86[00:21:51] <irreleph4nt> which is using GRUB
87[00:21:54] <irreleph4nt> which I don't like
88[00:22:03] <irreleph4nt> but I can't be bothered to change that
89[00:22:07] <SerajewelKS> all i can say is that this has always worked for me with grub, so i'm suspicious of refind
90[00:22:39] <SerajewelKS> bbl
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122[00:46:08] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: i'm semi-here at this point (will be AFK on and off for a bit)
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124[00:46:48] <happygilmoregent> I am having issues where with the nvidia-driver from repos. The GTK-GREETER for X just flickers
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192[01:31:49] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: I . DID . IT
193[01:32:40] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: I followed this tutorial, trying to set up debian manually one more time: replaced-url
194[01:33:28] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: the main difference being that I do not care for their raid setup. I am still on a plain sda1 -> boot, sda2 -> LUKS/LVM -> root setup
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196[01:34:51] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: I also looked at the automated Debian install to "borrow" the /proc/cmdline boot parameters. Instead of UUID root= now points to my LVM volume
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202[01:40:05] <palmer> does anyone have the data that's used to generate the graphs at replaced-url
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209[01:48:33] <kerneldark> hi, someone that know bgp can help me?
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214[01:50:29] <Lambertini> sup folks
215[01:50:30] <Lambertini> Can someone here get me a question? I'm trying to run php and wsgi (django) in apache, but I can only run one or the other, could anyone help me?
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218[01:54:26] <bites> Lambertini: paste the config and any errors you get to paste.debian.net, please.
219[01:54:51] <Lambertini> replaced-url
220[01:54:58] <Lambertini> bites
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222[01:55:28] <Lambertini> no have erros, just work one or other
223[01:55:56] <bites> first combine them to one virtualhost definition, please.
224[01:56:04] <Lambertini> never together
225[01:56:34] <Lambertini> first combine them to one virtualhost definition, please. I not understand it
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228[01:58:06] <bites> you have two VirtualHosts defined. usually you would do that if you had two domains, but you don't.
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231[01:59:18] <Lambertini> bites What I'm trying to do is run php and django without same domain so I want to run in different folders
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234[01:59:41] <Lambertini> bites but I'm not sure how to do it, I thought it would work that way
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239[02:01:28] <bites> you can do that using <Directory>, VirtualHosts are in case you want to have multiple sites on one server.
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241[02:02:22] <Lambertini> bites, i make it
242[02:02:28] <Lambertini> <Directory /var/replaced-url
243[02:02:32] <Lambertini> django
244[02:02:37] <Lambertini> <Directory /var/replaced-url
245[02:02:40] <Lambertini> php
246[02:03:01] <bites> I'm not sure we are communicating effectively.
247[02:04:44] <bites> in line 31 you bind WSGI to listen to / change that to /dogs that should restrict it to that location.
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250[02:06:48] <Lambertini> will try
251[02:07:58] <Lambertini> bites not woks, see it : 177.100.216.206:8080
252[02:08:05] <Lambertini> replaced-url
253[02:08:29] <Lambertini> in folder b4wp have wordpress, with php
254[02:08:45] <Lambertini> in folder dogs, have django
255[02:08:48] <Lambertini> but not works
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258[02:09:51] <Lambertini> bites If you can see what a super is doing with the users to see you can look better, if you want of course
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264[02:15:01] <bites> Lambertini: you showed me the apache config for port 80, you game me the link to port 8080
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267[02:15:27] <kerneldark> hi, someone can help me, i received full router from isp, but I cant adivertise to my downstream, same without filter
268[02:15:42] <Lambertini> bites, yah for you see, but internal im use por 80
269[02:15:52] <Lambertini> i make iptables for redirect
270[02:15:56] <Lambertini> its no cause problem
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284[02:22:50] <bites> Lambertini: coming back to my initial point. I think everything in your second <VirtualHost *:80></VirtualHost> is being ignored. you need to merge the two.
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286[02:26:29] <bites> you can't have multiple virtualhosts for the same domain on the same port.
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305[02:44:58] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: ah. interesting. my LVM setups also use an LVM dev-path (into /dev/mapper)
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310[02:50:19] <devslash2> im running debian but its starting the lightdm desktop manager by default
311[02:51:17] <bites> devslash2: if you have a different dm installed and want to switch run dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
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334[03:07:06] <armin> hi, i noticed i'm getting an ncurses (dialog?) interface on almost any apt upgrade that i do, asking me what services to restart (due to outdated libraries/binaries in use). is there something i can read about this to further educate myself on that matter?
335[03:09:50] <devslash2> ok so now i cant set th resolution of lxde
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337[03:13:29] <armin> devslash2: tried arandr?
338[03:13:52] <devslash2> i dont have arandr
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343[03:16:45] <devslash2> i think that the issue is randr support in tightvnc
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345[03:19:49] <armin> devslash2: that's correct
346[03:21:36] <rk[ghost]> how do i search for a command within packages?
347[03:21:37] <phogg> armin: what is it about the prompt that you want to know?
348[03:21:53] <phogg> rk[ghost]: installed packages or all packages?
349[03:22:06] <rk[ghost]> err, using apt, is there a way to search for a given command to figure out what package i need
350[03:22:19] <rk[ghost]> namely, i am interested in the program 'jq'
351[03:22:29] <phogg> rk[ghost]: you can't search for a command, but you can search for a file path. install apt-file.
352[03:22:46] <phogg> rk[ghost]: the package is also called jq
353[03:23:19] <phogg> rk[ghost]: when in doubt just try and install a package with the same name as the program. You'd be surprised how often it works, and when it doesn't it's harmless.
354[03:23:45] <bindi> rk[ghost]: did you try typing 'jq'?
355[03:24:20] <bindi> i'm not sure if this works in debian, but ubuntu (server) does this by default: replaced-url
356[03:24:38] <phogg> I hope it doesn't work in Debian. It certainly should require a non-default package.
357[03:24:45] <rk[ghost]> "Package jq is not available, but is referred to by another package."
358[03:25:20] <phogg> rk[ghost]: jq should be in main. Do you have unusual sources?
359[03:25:40] <rk[ghost]> oh, hmm, i might have been trying something recently.. lemme see.
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361[03:26:52] <rk[ghost]> ok, i typed apt-get install -t jessie jq and it worked.. thanks!
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364[03:27:05] <rk[ghost]> i borked my config, but that command let it ride anyway
365[03:27:20] <phogg> danger, will robinson
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370[03:29:24] <devslash2> so i installed tigervnc and not vim,x11 and lxde arent installed anymore...
371[03:29:39] <devslash2> err and now
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382[03:45:57] <SerajewelKS> armin: i only get that dialog on a libc upgrade
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400[04:08:29] <armin> SerajewelKS: mhhh, will pay attention when that happens, ty
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500[06:18:21] <Buliarous> anybody know how to fix permissions when usb_claim_interface error -6 trying the same thing as sudo doesnt work
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507[06:23:10] <Buliarous> nm got it
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514[06:29:43] <ealfonso> i'm stuck at: 0% [Connecting to prod.debian.map.fastly.net (2a04:4e42:2d::204)] [Connecting to deb.torproject.org (2a01:4f8:172:1b46:0:a)]
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523[06:36:43] <themill> ealfonso: do you actually have a working ipv6 configuration?
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575[07:30:22] <m0rd3cai> Got a question for anyone whose setup Stubby (dns over tls). Im running this from my router but the documentation doesn't specify how to connect to the proxy port. Can I change the listening address to port 53? im thinking not because I can't figure out what program to make the connection.
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578[07:31:15] <m0rd3cai> let me clarify a bit, I know the port it comes setup on, i know I can change it but what will i need to do to route dns through stubby?
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628[08:16:47] <OLNSaEzcA> Can I assume that on a fresh install debian doesn't have any ports open, or ssh ports open to people to ssh in, etc...?
629[08:20:50] <inch> I think there are a couple of open ports. Ssh is open if ssh server is selected when installing.
630[08:21:44] <OLNSaEzcA> I'm the only person who'll ever use this PC, and I'll only ever use it in front of it... Is there any configuration I need to change?
631[08:22:00] <OLNSaEzcA> I didn't install the ssh server
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633[08:23:05] <inch> You might want to install some iptables frontend application to set up firewall or use ss to see which ports are open and then close them.
634[08:23:39] <OLNSaEzcA> thanks!
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637[08:25:52] <towo^work> OLNSaEzcA, you are not behind a router?
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653[08:39:18] <OLNSaEzcA> towo^work: I am... But I'm never going to do anything with the network except from accessing the internet...
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656[08:41:42] <towo^work> OLNSaEzcA, behind a router no port of your is available from outsite
657[08:42:01] <towo^work> s/of your/of your pc
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664[08:46:10] <OLNSaEzcA> towo^work: I'm being extra careful in case my router is compromised
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671[08:47:58] <towo^work> OLNSaEzcA, if your router is compromised, you have bigger problems than open ports on your PC
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691[08:57:51] <OLNSaEzcA> towo^work: I know... But having no open ports will help a little in that case...
692[08:58:14] <OLNSaEzcA> towo^work: BTW: What other bigger problems are you referring to...?
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812[10:36:11] <tdn> In 'ls -l', what is the meaning of the second column?
813[10:36:32] <waheedi> is ln or In
814[10:36:36] <waheedi> is that*
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832[10:46:53] <rudi_s> tdn: Number of hard links.
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834[10:48:13] <tdn> yeah, but what does that mean on a folder?
835[10:48:22] <rudi_s> tdn: Number of hard links.
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837[10:49:05] <rudi_s> Each ".."-entry in subdirectories adds a hardlink to the directory.
838[10:49:34] <rudi_s> So basically it's the number of entries (1) plus the "." (1) plus the number of subdirectories (each having one "..").
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840[10:49:57] <rudi_s> "the number of entries" is always zero, as a directory can have no regular hardlinks.
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853[10:55:00] <dexta> morning
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858[10:59:39] <iveqy> I'm using openvpn as a daemon and when I loose the internet connection, openvpn is waiting for 2 minutes before it's trying to restart each 5 seconds. This is as I want it to behave. However when the internet connection is up again, openvpn tries to reset tun0, fails and exits
859[10:59:43] <iveqy> and since it's a daemon it won't try again but remain dead.
860[10:59:53] <iveqy> I've tried to set chmod +s to openvpn executable, without any luck.
861[10:59:58] <iveqy> I'm also using the NetworkManager to manage the network connections if this could be a problem
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904[11:33:54] <mirazi_heket> hello, i have configured successfuly freeipa server (on centos) and freeipa client (on debian). Everything seems to working fine except ssh key auth (it does ignore pubkey stored in freeipa) - how can i fix this? (will ofcourse provide logs on demand)
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908[11:37:07] <relaxed> mirazi_heket: which type of ssh key did you create on the debian box?
909[11:37:33] <mirazi_heket> relaxed ssh keypair (want to copy and use pubkey of course)
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911[11:38:19] <engys> did someone else got "no boot device" after system update
912[11:40:00] <relaxed> mirazi_heket: you probably want -t rsa when generating your key because centos might not support newer types (like ecdsa and ed25519)
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915[11:40:43] <engys> relaxed: rsa because of dsa keylength problems
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919[11:41:46] <mirazi_heket> they are rsa
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922[11:42:37] <engys> relaxed: if you already run in trouble you can vi ~/.ssh/config and use PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=+ssh-dss
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924[11:43:21] <mirazi_heket> i mean key authentication part for freeipa (sssd/krb5) is ignored
925[11:43:21] <relaxed> I was trying to help mirazi_heket, but that doesn't appear to be the issue
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927[11:45:53] <engys> ok so I am the only one who experiencing "no boot device" after debian system update .. I hope this is not the closed source firmware that do stuff like that .. grrr.
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931[11:47:47] <mirazi_heket> replaced-url
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933[11:48:16] <rjsalts> where is this coming from? getent hosts green.spectralmud.org 2001:bc8:254b:200::1 green.spectralmud.org and yet getent ahostsv6 green.spectralmud.org ::ffff:163.172.48.20 STREAM green.spectralmud.org, etc
934[11:48:26] <engys> mirazi_heket: as I sayed before if you need to use dsa you can modify your ~/.ssh/config
935[11:48:59] <mirazi_heket> i prefer to modify global settings, and any of them is fine (might later change to more secure one but not right now)
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938[11:51:17] <jethro> rjsalts: ahostsv6 calls getaddrinfo while hosts calls gethostbyname
939[11:51:36] <engys> mirazi_heket: awesome ssl cert on this page xP
940[11:52:12] <engys> mirazi_heket: we have 2018 .. self signed is so yesterday
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942[11:52:53] <rjsalts> jethro: sure, but it can resolve the ip via getaddrinfo to the ipv6 address instead of ipv4 mapped, where is it caching the fact it can't reach ipv6?
943[11:52:57] <mirazi_heket> who cares, information on webpage are important, you dont input any data there so ...
944[11:53:06] <jethro> rjsalts: look at the manpages
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946[11:53:34] <rjsalts> jethro: the manpages for getaddrinfo say nothing about caching
947[11:54:28] <jethro> rjsalts: the manpage for getent does
948[11:54:48] <rjsalts> jethro: not in mine it doesn't
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950[11:56:16] <engys> mirazi_heket: I did not see any information firefox rejected this page =)
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953[11:56:41] <rjsalts> and I've restarted nscd.service because that's the only thing I could think which would cache it
954[11:56:46] <jethro> rjsalts: I don't know what you mean by 'can't reach ipv6', you get a ipv4 mapped address because ahostsv6 calls getaddrinfo with AI_V4MAPPED as the manpage says
955[11:57:15] <rjsalts> sure, but it shouldn't need to do the v4 mapped when there is a AAAA record
956[11:57:23] <jethro> whatever
957[11:57:25] <mirazi_heket> your firefox is messed up :)
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959[11:58:21] <rjsalts> and I want to test v6 and mtr says mtr: Failed to resolve host: green.spectralmud.org: Name or service not known
960[11:58:41] <rjsalts> other v6 hosts work fine
961[11:58:52] <engys> mirazi_heket: well @ least it is 63.0.3 ;-)
962[11:58:53] <rjsalts> and get AAAA addresses for getent ahostsv6
963[11:59:31] <mirazi_heket> engys: :)
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972[12:07:41] <Fox> rjsalts: what does your /etc/nsswitch.conf look like ?
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974[12:08:00] <rjsalts> hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
975[12:08:19] <rjsalts> nothing in /etc/hosts
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978[12:09:16] <rjsalts> nothing relating to the host in question that is, and also nothing in /etc/avahi relating to the domain
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980[12:09:53] <rjsalts> shutting down nscd service does seem to have fixed it though
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986[12:11:15] <rjsalts> so it looks like nscd is to blame
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1011[12:25:02] <ChrisH> Laptop inside Dockingstation with USB connection from Dockingstation to external monitor. USB Keyboard is connected to Monitor. In grub the keyboard is usable and most times during boot-up while entering the keyphrase I need to re-plug the keyboard to get it working. What could I have the keyboard working during keyphrase request without re-plugging? Debian Stretch.
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1014[12:28:23] <engys> ChrisH: use another keyboard or get another usb hub
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1017[12:30:43] <engys> ChrisH: it is not Debian specific I got problems like that on other distros
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1049[12:57:26] <Cheaterman> Hi buddiez, I hope y'all doing goodie!
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1052[12:57:35] <Cheaterman> Me I'm a bit sad because DontBreakDebian says I shouldn't make a FrankenDebian
1053[12:57:46] <Cheaterman> But I absolutely need lighttpd 1.4.49+ on Stretch and it's not in the backports
1054[12:58:01] <Cheaterman> What should I do? :-(
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1057[12:58:26] <Cheaterman> Should I compile it into a deb package somehow?
1058[12:58:51] <petn-randall> Cheaterman: Why do you need that specific version?
1059[12:58:54] <petn-randall> ,v lighttpd
1060[12:58:55] <judd> Package: lighttpd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.31-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1.4.31-4+deb7u5; jessie: 1.4.35-4+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.4.35-4+deb8u1; stretch: 1.4.45-1; buster: 1.4.49-1.1+b1; sid: 1.4.49-2
1061[12:59:10] <Cheaterman> petn-randall: breaking bug for gitlab-runner and gitlab-ci before .49 :/
1062[12:59:17] <petn-randall> ouch
1063[12:59:18] <Cheaterman> absolute need :-/
1064[12:59:25] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport lighttpd
1065[12:59:26] <judd> Backporting package lighttpd in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
1066[12:59:31] <petn-randall> !ssb
1067[12:59:41] * petn-randall pokes dpkg.
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1073[13:01:11] <Cheaterman> Thanks for your attention petn-randall :-3
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1076[13:01:50] <Cheaterman> FWIW I already spent more time on that bug than expected - imagine, gitlab-runner is working fine, but can't upload artifacts due to a 400, so I spent lots of time trying to find where in GitLab the issue was... and obviously it wasn't in GitLab :-)
1077[13:02:04] <petn-randall> Cheaterman: Seems as though our bot is currently not here. ssb = simple sid backport. Add a source list entry "deb-src replaced-url
1078[13:02:27] <Cheaterman> Ah, and you want me to build the deb from that?
1079[13:02:28] <Cheaterman> sounds goodie
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1081[13:03:08] <petn-randall> Cheaterman: Then change to a specific dir, run 'apt-get source lighttpd', check that it download the package version from sid. cd into that dir, and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b', and a lighttpd 1.4.49 will drop out after compiling.
1082[13:03:42] <petn-randall> Cheaterman: Oh, before compiling run 'apt-get build-dep .' in the lighttpd sources dir, as root.
1083[13:04:09] <Cheaterman> Thanks a lot hehehe, I was checking the debian wiki about building, but this is much more straight to the point ^__^
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1085[13:04:54] <Cheaterman> Didn't have dpkg-dev, fixing that :-)
1086[13:05:03] <Cheaterman> probably missing build-essential there too then I guess
1087[13:05:12] <Cheaterman> never mind
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1090[13:06:05] <Cheaterman> (I can confirm it's sid's sources :-) )
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1092[13:07:06] <Cheaterman> (building is very streamlined in Debian, it's not like in my memories, I like it!)
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1097[13:09:20] <Cheaterman> petn-randall: Ouch. I don't have dh_missing in my debhelper
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1100[13:09:38] <Cheaterman> Is that exclusive to buster/sid or something
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1105[13:11:03] <Cheaterman> Yeah, dh_missing man page was written in july apparently
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1107[13:11:14] <xata> Hello. Where should i ask for help if i have problems with debian-specific perl modules?
1108[13:11:30] <petn-randall> ,v debhelper
1109[13:11:31] <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.20120909; jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 10.2.5~bpo8+1; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 11.3.5~bpo9+1; buster: 11.5.3; sid: 11.5.3
1110[13:12:02] <Cheaterman> petn-randall: other than that, I can just fix debian/rules and remove the call, if it's safe?
1111[13:12:04] <petn-randall> Cheaterman: You can install debhelper from stretch-backports, that should be new enough. You might also want to file a bug against lighttpd that they have a versioned build dependency against debhelper.
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1113[13:12:13] <Cheaterman> Oh, okay, thanks a lot
1114[13:12:22] <petn-randall> Cheaterman: Maybe, maybe not, I don't know what it's doing in that package.
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1116[13:13:00] <Cheaterman> Alrighty
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1124[13:15:17] <Cheaterman> Installing debhelper from backports has fixed it as you said, thanks a lot for all your help!!
1125[13:15:34] <petn-randall> Cheaterman: You're welcome, glad you could get it compiled.
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1127[13:15:45] <petn-randall> Now I just have to find out where the dpkg bot went ;)
1128[13:15:55] <Cheaterman> Hahaha yeah :-D
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1132[13:16:17] <Cheaterman> I'm also happy if I can trigger the backport to actually happen - this bug should be affecting many people, I'm surprised I didn't get more hits on Google
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1135[13:19:53] <petn-randall> Cheaterman: If it's an actual bug in the stable, the fix can be cherry-picked to stable directly. stretch-backports is for getting newer features, not necessarily to fix bugs.
1136[13:20:17] <petn-randall> Cheaterman: So I'd file a bug report against lighttpd showing the issue you're having, and this will then be fixed in stable.
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1194[13:58:08] <Cheaterman> petn-randall: Good idea, thanks for the hint
1195[13:58:10] <Cheaterman> Can't wait to see my builds finally succeed ^__^
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1205[14:06:05] <petn-randall> dpkg: wb
1206[14:06:05] <dpkg> thanks, petn-randall. It's good to be back.
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1224[14:17:16] <centrix> My squid complains that "ipcCreate: =: (2) No such file or directory". If I use strace, can I use the number 2 as a channel/file descriptor?
1225[14:18:11] <centrix> Or is it simply an error number?
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1230[14:22:04] <petn-randall> centrix: I can't say if it's a fd, but if it was, 2 is usually STDERR.
1231[14:22:35] <petn-randall> centrix: Are you running in a special container of sorts?
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1233[14:23:20] <centrix> Container? No. This comes from squid 3.5.27 running on a VMWare host.
1234[14:24:14] <centrix> petn-randall, I just wonder what the ipcCreate tries to create that it complains about no such file or directory.
1235[14:24:33] <centrix> What is missing? A file, pipe, socket ... etc.
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1237[14:25:04] <petn-randall> ,v squid
1238[14:25:05] <judd> Package: squid on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1+deb7u3; stretch: 3.5.23-5+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.5.23-5+deb9u1; buster: 4.4-1; sid: 4.4-1
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1240[14:25:28] <petn-randall> centrix: What OS is this? 3.5.27 is not in any Debian release.
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1244[14:26:10] <centrix> petn-randall, 8.10, squid 3.5.27 custom build.
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1246[14:27:15] <petn-randall> centrix: I'd just run strace on it, and check the fopen() before the error message.
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1263[14:34:29] <abrotman> dpkg: we love you
1264[14:34:30] <dpkg> Shame, I hate non-bots.
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1347[15:20:16] <joepublic> ,v linux-image
1348[15:20:17] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
1349[15:20:23] <joepublic> fair enough.
1350[15:20:50] <greycat> ,v linux-image-amd64
1351[15:20:51] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.18+98~bpo9+1; buster: 4.18+100; sid: 4.18+100
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1353[15:21:49] <joepublic> cat linux-image-amd64|less
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1375[15:34:37] <UnderSampled> Hello
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1378[15:34:49] <UnderSampled> I tried to install mysql, but couldn't find mysql-server
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1380[15:35:01] <UnderSampled> instead, I found default-mysql-server, which installed MariaDB?
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1382[15:35:16] <greycat> That's correct for stable.
1383[15:35:28] <UnderSampled> but I switched to testing
1384[15:35:32] <greycat> ...
1385[15:35:37] <greycat> !debian-next
1386[15:35:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1387[15:35:39] <UnderSampled> Did I not switch properly?
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1389[15:35:59] <UnderSampled> :/
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1392[15:36:12] <UnderSampled> so stable doesn't have MySql at all, only MariahDB?
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1415[15:46:27] <Ede|Popede> that's what they say replaced-url
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1430[15:55:34] <Ede|Popede> great comment there... how can you `apt-get install mysql-server` and then not see all the 'mariadb's in the output?
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1492[16:34:22] <dzove855> :&3
1493[16:34:27] <dzove855> heu sorry guys :(
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1518[16:53:04] <Slashman> hello, I just updated my stretch system and it updated apache httpd and since then I cannot start it: "cgroup: fork rejected by pids controller in /system.slice/apache2.service", any idea?
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1545[17:06:40] <SerajewelKS> Slashman: cgroup? is this system in a container?
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1551[17:08:40] <Slashman> SerajewelKS: nope, that's a VM, but it is the same on bare metal: this is due to the systemd parameter "UserTasksMax=33%" coupled with the kernel.pid_max
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1553[17:09:21] <Slashman> the service had a limit of 4915 pids
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1561[17:12:00] <bites> are you using mpm prefork with a silly amount of spares?
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1564[17:12:22] <SerajewelKS> yeah running into the 4915 limit seems pretty excessive... like there's a bad config somewhere else
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1589[17:20:07] <Slashman> bites: no, I'm using event as the mpm, with this mpm config: replaced-url
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1591[17:20:30] <Slashman> and I'm still limited by 4915 process, damn it
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1593[17:21:25] <petn-randall> I'd argue that MaxRequestWorkers = 10240 counts as a "silly" amount. :)
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1595[17:21:57] <petn-randall> Slashman: I'd set MaxRequestWorkers to no more than twice your CPU count.
1596[17:22:23] <FinalX> should be using the event mpm unless you *really* need the worker/prefork ones..
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1598[17:22:47] <FinalX> prefork in itself is kinda really silly nowadays
1599[17:23:00] <Slashman> we are talking about event
1600[17:23:03] <petn-randall> FinalX: Slashman is using event.
1601[17:23:29] <FinalX> ....this is with event? damn, impressive
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1606[17:24:50] <Slashman> in this particular case, the config is the same as for mpm_worker, so that's why it's so high, you are right that this should be lower, this is a test system for now, it will replace one of 8 httpd front server that currently use mpm_worker with this conf
1607[17:24:54] <petn-randall> Slashman: With event, the workers are the amount of requests that are served simultaneously. Idle connections are handed off to listening threads, so this value should really just reflect the amount of CPUs + x.
1608[17:25:08] <SerajewelKS> unfortunately you still need worker/prefork to do PHP since it's almost 2019 and PHP still isn't threadsafe
1609[17:25:19] <SerajewelKS> (unless you are proxying to FPM or something)
1610[17:25:25] <FinalX> SerajewelKS: It's almost 2019 and you shouldn't be doing PHP in Apache.
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1612[17:25:31] <SerajewelKS> well of course :P
1613[17:25:43] <SerajewelKS> i'd say you shouldn't be using apache at all
1614[17:25:44] <petn-randall> Slashman: IF you have 10,240 CPUs in that system, I take that back, and in this case you need to overrride the systemd unit.
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1617[17:26:41] <FinalX> Say uhm, for threaded and hybrids, like event and worker, the default is ServerLimit (16 default) * ThreadsPerChild (default is 25)
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1619[17:27:14] <Slashman> petn-randall: as I told you, this is a test system, the config is not refined and copied from mpm_worker, doesn't change the fact that I would like to extend the number of pid limit per service, for example if I switch to mpm_worker
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1621[17:28:15] <FinalX> MaxRequestsWorkers can not be higher than ServerLimit, so...where's the rest of your config .. (also, not to be annoying, but this is #debian, not #httpd .. )
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1623[17:29:06] <Slashman> FinalX: the original issue was "cgroup: fork rejected by pids controller in /system.slice/apache2.service"
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1625[17:29:33] <devslash> I need help with debian. It has XTightVNC installed and set up to start automatiically but it doesnt suport the Randr extension. how can i replace tightvnc with tigervnc
1626[17:29:36] <FinalX> default Apache config in Debian stretch did +/- 50k request/second for me.. I'm currently doing an average of 250 req/s for 17k sites.. so :)
1627[17:29:46] <CarlFK> how do I install something from unstable? apt install -t unstable foo? or foo/unstable?
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1629[17:30:10] <FinalX> ,v apache2
1630[17:30:11] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u13; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u4; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u6; buster: 2.4.37-1; sid: 2.4.37-1
1631[17:30:12] <Slashman> FinalX: anyway this is a sytemd issue now, I just want to know how to raise the task limit per service, I'll ask in #systemd :p
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1634[17:30:26] <petn-randall> CarlFK: You don't. Unless you want a Frankendebian which is unsupported.
1635[17:30:30] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
1636[17:30:30] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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1638[17:30:40] <petn-randall> CarlFK: What do you need from unstable, and why?
1639[17:31:05] <alexas> getting this message while trying to enable flyspell in emacs, possibly Debian issue (Can't open /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash)
1640[17:31:08] <FinalX> Slashman: ok
1641[17:31:26] <CarlFK> petan: to test a package
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1644[17:32:40] <alexas> possibly should ask emacs people
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1650[17:33:51] <azi`> could someone explain this bit to me? replaced-url
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1652[17:34:04] <azi`> if I run apt-get there is a note that some packages are not required anymore
1653[17:34:14] <azi`> but when I try to autoremove them, nothing happens
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1655[17:34:45] <CarlFK> petn-randall: I do want that, I won't ask for help fixing it, I'll blow it away in a day or so.
1656[17:34:49] <SerajewelKS> !simple sid backport
1657[17:34:49] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1658[17:34:52] <SerajewelKS> CarlFK: ^
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1660[17:35:54] <bites> Slashman: can you show us the output of apachectl -V or have you found out why it creates so many processes?
1661[17:36:19] <CarlFK> SerajewelKS: um, isn't that for testing? what i want is: "It should be available in unstable soon and migrate to testing within a week."
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1664[17:37:32] <stevenm> never used this - but - anyone ever used loganalyzer? i'm asking because i just realised it seems to have been in d8 and it looks set to be in d10 - but oddly not in d9
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1668[17:37:54] <stevenm> replaced-url
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1670[17:38:14] <stevenm> also is it any good? just after something simple that the not-so-linux-savvy can use to view incoming syslog events
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1672[17:38:57] <fragment1> looking at that log in a tail -f window is one way to get savvy!
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1674[17:39:12] <petn-randall> CarlFK: sid is unstable. buster is testing.
1675[17:39:41] <stevenm> fragment1, right but tail doesn't really have a way of single clicking to sort by a particular column for example :P i will assume loganalyzer can do bits tail can't do :)
1676[17:39:55] <fragment1> quite
1677[17:40:10] <alexas> fixed by installing american dictionary, in case anyone cares
1678[17:40:17] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Assuming you already checked your unnamed package doesn't exist in backports, the factoid dpkg mentioned is the way to backport it.
1679[17:40:19] <CarlFK> doesn't apt have a parameter for buster is testing ?
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1683[17:40:36] <alexas> as described here replaced-url
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1695[17:44:45] <fragment1> I'm actually looking for a nice app for my phone to be a syslog server. I want to be able to filter most stuff out, so it only vibrates at me when I log in or make system changes
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1698[17:45:22] <fragment1> I installed one syslog server, but it doesn't support filtering
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1702[17:49:18] <hwm4rgs> It'd save your phone so much battery to use an actual syslog server and something like pushbullet to get your phone buzzing.
1703[17:49:33] <fragment1> i'll look it up, thanks
1704[17:49:46] <petn-randall> CarlFK: If you don't respond to any questions, there's only so much we can do to help you.
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1708[17:50:21] <joepublic> apt does in fact have syntax that lets you install from "buster" or "testing" by name.
1709[17:50:55] <joepublic> ...assuming a few things that at this point it's not safe to assume
1710[17:52:08] <joepublic> CarlFK, if you want to test "a package" from unstable, perhaps go download it from packages.debian.org, install with dpkg -i packagename.deb
1711[17:52:29] <joepublic> then purge it and reinstall from your current sources when finished testing.
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1713[17:53:24] <petn-randall> joepublic: That would assume the dependencies are magically resolved, which doesn't happen.
1714[17:53:29] <BCMM> or, like, send yourself an email
1715[17:53:36] <BCMM> (assuming you already get email on your phone)
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1719[17:54:11] <joepublic> petn-randall, well, that would be testing "some packages" now, wouldn't it?
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1721[17:54:42] <fragment1> no, I want selected alerts from 4 or 5 devices. I looked at pushbullet and my eyes began to bleed. You might be right, and filtering the messages (syslog)client-side might be best
1722[17:54:49] <n4dir> besides the idea being crap in general, i fail to see what is the advantage of downloading the *deb manually.
1723[17:54:50] <joepublic> if you want to download a random .deb and install with magic dependency resolution, use gdebi or apt.
1724[17:54:52] <fragment1> I'd rather be able to alter my filters on my device though
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1728[17:55:24] <joepublic> n4dir, the advantage would be doing a sketchy thing without messing with sources.list, rather than "with" messing with sources.list
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1730[17:55:39] <BCMM> joepublic: apt can directly install a .deb?
1731[17:55:50] <bites> yes
1732[17:56:23] <BCMM> is the pattern of `dpkg -i random.deb && apt-get -f install` obsolete?
1733[17:56:27] <greycat> !apt install
1734[17:56:27] <dpkg> You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>.
1735[17:56:42] <BCMM> oh, nice
1736[17:56:44] <BCMM> thanks
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1740[17:59:26] <joepublic> I am sure you can also do it with cat, but I am still working on the syntax.
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1754[18:04:45] <CarlFK> petn-randall: sorry, don't see a question. im guessing the answer is syslinux-efi package
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1756[18:06:02] <petn-randall> ,v syslinux-efi
1757[18:06:03] <judd> Package: syslinux-efi on amd64 -- jessie: 3:6.03+dfsg-5+deb8u2; stretch: 3:6.03+dfsg-14.1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 3:6.04~git20171011.af7e95c3+dfsg1-5~bpo9+1; buster: 3:6.04~git20171011.af7e95c3+dfsg1-5; sid: 3:6.04~git20171011.af7e95c3+dfsg1-6
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1759[18:06:17] <petn-randall> CarlFK: You can simply install it from stretch-backports.
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1768[18:07:18] <CarlFK> petn-randall: that looks like the 2017 version
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1771[18:07:49] <bites> the same version as in buster and sid.
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1774[18:07:59] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Dependency resolution is old hat for those of us who pre-date download managers like apt.
1775[18:09:03] <joepublic> syslinux-efi doesn't have all that long a list of dependencies.
1776[18:09:06] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: I think the hassle of pinning the testing repos at a different level and avoiding unintended updates of other packages makes the download/dpkg strategy the better one.
1777[18:09:23] <jhutchins_wk> I'm about to embark on that for a package I need to test before it's promoted to prod.
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1779[18:10:00] <CarlFK> man apt ... /target_release - is that buster? so apt install syslinux-efi/buster ?
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1783[18:10:39] <n4dir> 18:06 < petn-randall> CarlFK: You can simply install it from stretch-backports.
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1786[18:11:10] <joepublic> CarlFK, that is the correct syntax, but there's quite a bit of setup involved in making it work. better to install from backports.
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1788[18:11:18] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Again: The version in stretch-backports is identical with the version from buster/sid. You gain nothing from creating a Frankendebian.
1789[18:11:25] <joepublic> or - download the package and dpkg -i packagename.deb
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1791[18:11:36] <azi`> what would be the most basic notepad program that runs on X only
1792[18:11:39] <azi`> like xpdf for pdf's
1793[18:12:05] <joepublic> azi`, leafpad is pretty basic
1794[18:12:08] <CarlFK> " It should be available in unstable soon" maybe soon hasn't happened yet.
1795[18:12:16] <Ede|Popede> most basic, xedit?
1796[18:12:24] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Where are you reading that? And why do you need a newer version?
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1798[18:12:37] <azi`> yeah I'd like something with the least possible number of dependencies
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1800[18:13:01] <CarlFK> petn-randall: an email to me; to verify a bug was fixed.
1801[18:13:11] <jhutchins_wk> Why not just use a text editor in a terminal?
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1805[18:14:01] <joepublic> leafpad depends on libpango and libcairo
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1807[18:14:07] <joepublic> and gtk
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1812[18:15:34] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Do you have the bug number?
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1817[18:17:40] <CarlFK> petan: looks like it never got logged. "is this a bug? if so, Ill open..." "yes, fixed."
1818[18:18:38] <petn-randall> CarlFK: petn<tab>
1819[18:18:45] <petn-randall> petan is someone else.
1820[18:18:53] <petn-randall> CarlFK: So who mailed you this?
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1840[18:27:37] <CarlFK> petn-randall: lukas - here is what I am testing: replaced-url
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1846[18:30:06] <murii> hey, can I tell how big a program will be before installing it using apt?
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1851[18:32:11] <LtL> murii: apt show packagename - shows installed size
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1855[18:33:58] <bites> it's a value in kiB, i think. but that does not include dependencies or files the package creates dynamically.
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1864[18:37:37] <Ede|Popede> how is /usr/local handled? so, where does it come from (postinst of same base package?), and how do i get correct ownership and modes inside it? seems with SGID i either get user:staff - or root:root, but then why SGID? and i remember there's been a bug report because of security. i'd like to rebuild it anyway, so where do i find it?
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1873[18:39:01] <greycat> It's probably created as part of the initial installation, not a package. I could be wrong.
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1876[18:39:12] <greycat> drwxr-sr-x 10 root staff 4096 Apr 10 2017 /usr/local
1877[18:39:26] <greycat> drwxrwsr-x 9 root staff 4096 Jul 1 2005 /usr/local
1878[18:39:32] <greycat> (two different Debian systems)
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1880[18:40:26] <jelly> doesn't have g+s on a freshly installed stretch (9.5 or 9.6)
1881[18:41:01] <jhutchins_wk> Anything that installs to /usr/local would be expected to test for that directory and create it if it didn't exist.
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1883[18:41:34] <greycat> In any case, /usr/local is *yours* and you can do whatever you want.
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1886[18:42:32] <Ede|Popede> the thing is, i'm the only user here. but it is still linux. so i should use it as root or trusted user (groups). who should own the files in there? it looks weird to have my user name shown as owner. group staff is ok.
1887[18:42:49] <greycat> My opinion is root should be the only person doing stuff there.
1888[18:43:13] <Ede|Popede> i end up regularly with mixes of user:group combination :/
1889[18:43:31] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, if you cd /usr and as root do a dpkg -S local you'll get a list of all of the packages that "own" it.
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1892[18:44:02] <Ede|Popede> for some reason i don't even like putting stuff into ~/bin, though theres .local now for the personal hierarchy.
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1894[18:44:28] <bites> ,i base-files
1895[18:44:31] <judd> Package base-files (admin, required) in stretch/amd64: Debian base system miscellaneous files. Version: 9.9+deb9u6; Size: 65.8k; Installed: 333k; Screenshot: replaced-url
1896[18:44:41] <CarlFK> ah the 2017 thing is ...misleading? "in suites: sid ... Mon, 03 Dec 2018 " replaced-url
1897[18:44:43] <bites> i think it's created by this package.
1898[18:44:45] <Ede|Popede> ah, with a dash. i'll have a look
1899[18:45:04] <bites> replaced-url
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1902[18:45:39] <CarlFK> so "apt install syslinux/sid" should get that, right ?
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1905[18:46:46] <CarlFK> or do I need to put "sid" in my apt/sources.list first?
1906[18:47:05] <greycat> !don't break debian
1907[18:47:06] <dpkg> rumour has it, dont break debian is replaced-url
1908[18:47:06] <joepublic> I suspect that the same version is in backports
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1910[18:47:27] <joepublic> putting backports in sources.list is generally safe. putting sid there isn't.
1911[18:47:51] <Ede|Popede> inclides chown root:staff and chmod 2775. good starting point :)
1912[18:47:54] <CarlFK> joepublic: why do you suspect that?
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1914[18:48:11] <joepublic> because it's been mentioned 10 or 15 times in this channel in the past hour.
1915[18:48:27] <CarlFK> joepublic "hearsay"
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1918[18:49:15] <petn-randall> CarlFK: How many times do we need to tell you that the version in stretch-backports, buster and sid are *identical*?
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1920[18:49:53] <petn-randall> CarlFK: So there's no need to ask us how to break your system.
1921[18:50:08] <joepublic> CarlFK, perhaps you might go look on packages.debian.org if you want the official information to also be from an official source.
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1923[18:50:17] <n4dir> instead of asking the same again and again you could also do a quick web search and figure out how to break it, if that is what you want.
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1925[18:50:49] <bites> the sid package got a patch yesterday, which i think is what the user was after?
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1927[18:50:58] <petn-randall> CarlFK: However, the sid version does actually contain the patch you're talking about: replaced-url
1928[18:51:06] <petn-randall> CarlFK: So you can backport it yourself.
1929[18:51:08] <petn-randall> !ssb
1930[18:51:08] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1931[18:51:14] <CarlFK> replaced-url
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1950[18:59:47] <CarlFK> why would I build if there are binaries?
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1952[19:00:24] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Because they aren't built against the libraries of your system.
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1955[19:01:39] <CarlFK> petn-randall: I guess that might help someone ;)
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1962[19:03:55] <exifbono> Hello everyone, I am trying to install debian on a cubieboard2 using the 2 files (partition.img.gz) and the cubieboard2 firmware found here: replaced-url
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1974[19:09:26] <jhutchins_wk> !armhf
1975[19:09:26] <dpkg> armhf is a port of Debian requiring a floating-point unit (FPU) found in modern <ARM> hardware. It explicitly targets version 7 of the ARM architecture (i.e. not the Raspberry Pi), using the hard-float version of the ARM EABI. The armhf architecture was introduced at Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". replaced-url
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1978[19:10:18] <jhutchins_wk> exifbono: #debian-arm would probably be more helpful, we're mostly PC/Laptop users here.
1979[19:10:29] <exifbono> ups, thanks jhutchins_wk !
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1983[19:12:46] <sieve> I'm trying to install php-gd and php-gmp on a debian stretch docker image but its not working.
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1985[19:13:28] <bites> show us your Dockerfile and any errors you get, please.
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1987[19:13:51] <bites> you can paste it to paste.debian.net
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1991[19:15:33] <nemo> Oh btw. does anyone happen to know if anywhere in the debian infrastructure there are armhf builds of firefox beta or nightly floating around?
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1993[19:16:01] <nemo> I felt like trying out a newer version and the mozilla guys only build android arm builds, not linux desktop
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1996[19:16:55] <jhutchins_wk> nemo: I don't know of anybody currently working on that.
1997[19:17:30] <jhutchins_wk> nemo: Debian generally doesn't build beta releases.
1998[19:17:35] <nemo> 'k no worries. was just thinking it'd be nice if it just happened to be something running on the build farms already
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2000[19:17:59] <nemo> jhutchins_wk: stable is fairly recent too since my pinebook is still on ESR.
2001[19:18:18] <nemo> jhutchins_wk: normall on linux desktop I just unzip their build but yeah, arm is its own fun
2002[19:18:58] <nemo> now I just need to figure out how to get the quantum extension to relay youtube to vlc working on arm, or else see if maybe their h264 hardware acceleration has improved
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2012[19:22:18] <lpancescu> hello, is there any possibility for c++17 support in stretch? clang 6.0 is in backports (anything newer than 5 should do), i guess libstdc++ and libc++ are the problem... no backports for these
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2016[19:22:50] <greycat> !stable
2017[19:22:50] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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2024[19:24:47] <antto> if i add a new conf file into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ - it won't automagically take effect, right?
2025[19:25:04] <greycat> wouldn't that be in /etc/X11/?
2026[19:25:37] <antto> uhm, i don't know.. i'm following a tutorial from teh internetz
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2028[19:25:51] <antto> (but it smells like it was written for ubuntu)
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2031[19:26:06] <carlino3> hi
2032[19:26:16] <carlino3> i'm experimenting a weird issue
2033[19:26:24] <antto> the folder already existed and had a few files which i didn't put myself
2034[19:26:36] <carlino3> i'm running last version of debian, and my home directory is encrypted (i setted a password on install)
2035[19:26:59] <joepublic> you are "Experiencing" the issue (in english experimentar means "probar algo")
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2037[19:27:17] <carlino3> this morning, i started the machine and after putting my password when requested (on boot) i got an error message that i don't remember
2038[19:27:22] <carlino3> rebooted and booted normally
2039[19:27:36] <lpancescu> greycat, i know what stable is... started using debian in 2001
2040[19:28:06] <greycat> then you understand why an entirely new version of a programming language "standard" will not be introduced in a two-year-old stable release
2041[19:28:10] <carlino3> joepublic: sorry, i don't know what do you mean
2042[19:28:18] <joepublic> no problem carlino3
2043[19:28:38] <carlino3> now i can't boot at all, it only gets into text mode after putting the password on boot
2044[19:28:48] <carlino3> and i get a message "You are in emergency mode, blah blah"
2045[19:28:58] <carlino3> "Can't log in, root account is locked"
2046[19:29:07] <carlino3> looks like the home partition screwed up
2047[19:29:12] <joepublic> the blah blah bit is important for diagnostic, and any error-looking stuff before it
2048[19:29:16] <carlino3> no clue how to solve this
2049[19:29:24] <carlino3> sure, i will tell you the exactly message
2050[19:29:24] <carlino3> wait
2051[19:29:36] <greycat> carlino3: you may have to set a root password, if you did not set one originally
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2055[19:30:12] <carlino3> greycat: i didn't, root account only accessed by sudo
2056[19:30:14] <lpancescu> greycat, someone complained on centos-devel about the inability to build Ceph Mimic for debian stable, and i was hoping you guys have a solution
2057[19:30:29] <greycat> !i forgot root's password
2058[19:30:29] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
2059[19:30:39] <greycat> (applies also to those who opted for the "sudo install")
2060[19:30:45] <carlino3> joepublic: it is useless, just "type journalctl -xb to view system logs"
2061[19:30:53] <carlino3> ^D to reboot
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2063[19:30:57] <carlino3> blah blah, no info about the issue
2064[19:31:01] <lpancescu> greycat, as a sidenote, centos 7 is from 2014 and _does_ have c++17 support, as do ubuntu lts and opensuse leap
2065[19:31:18] <joepublic> fair enough. the dpkg message above should let you log in as root and see the real error.
2066[19:31:38] <carlino3> so i have to access the root account to proceed?
2067[19:31:54] <carlino3> no way to login in my user account?
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2071[19:32:23] <azi`> I have a very basic system with only the bare essentials. what configuration file should I tweak to make X start automatically at boot?
2072[19:32:30] <greycat> How the fuck can you have c++17 support, which I am assuming means it was invented in 2017, in a 2014 release....
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2074[19:32:38] <azi`> the system will be a USB live version of debian
2075[19:32:58] <joepublic> with a rescue disc (example: system rescue cd), you can get to your files. but in emergency mode root is the only one it wants.
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2078[19:33:17] <carlino3> the first error message is "Dependency failed for /home"
2079[19:33:24] <carlino3> so yes, it is a filesystem issue
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2081[19:33:51] <joepublic> if you can't mount /home, you would have to log in as root to fix that (root's home directory is not on /home).
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2083[19:33:59] <sieve> bites: I found the "docker-php-ext-install" command thx.
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2086[19:34:17] <carlino3> joepublic: but, that means that home is screwed?
2087[19:34:24] <sieve> Is docker-php-ext-install a debian supported tool? I'm getting an error: configure: error: Unable to locate gmp.h
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2090[19:34:46] <greycat> ,file include/gmp.h
2091[19:34:51] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
2092[19:34:51] <joepublic> carlino3, no way to tell until you get a look at the logs and/or dmesg, which is something root can do.
2093[19:34:55] <greycat> ,file gmp.h
2094[19:34:59] <judd> Search for gmp.h in stretch/amd64: [truncated] liblrsgmp-dev: usr/include/lrsgmp.h; libgmp-dev: usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/gmp.h; libc6-dev: usr/include/netinet/igmp.h; libcgal-dev: usr/include/CGAL/CORE/Gmp.h, usr/include/CGAL/gmp.h; libisl-dev: usr/include/isl/val_gmp.h; linux-libc-dev: usr/include/linux/igmp.h; linux-libc-dev-armhf-cross: usr/arm-linux-
2095[19:35:00] <judd> gnueabihf/include/linux/igmp.h; libc6-dev-hppa-cross: usr/hppa-linux-gnu/include/netinet/igmp.h; linux-libc-dev-hppa-cross: usr/hppa-linux-gnu/include/linux/igmp.h; linux-libc-dev-armel-cross: usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/include/linux/igmp.h; libsingular4-dev-common: usr/include/singular/factory/cf_gmp.h, usr/include/singular/singular/coeffs/si_gmp.h; linux-libc-dev-alpha-cross: usr/alpha-linux- (2 more messages)
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2097[19:35:10] <greycat> Meh.
2098[19:35:22] <sieve> libgmp-dev?
2099[19:35:23] <greycat> libgmp-dev looks promising.
2100[19:35:52] <sieve> ta, greycat
2101[19:36:08] <lpancescu> greycat, via SCL, oficially supported by RH - see replaced-url
2102[19:36:10] <carlino3> joepublic: ok, will try to access root then
2103[19:36:51] <carlino3> can i spawn a root shell with grub?
2104[19:37:07] <lpancescu> for dev-tools, it would be great if debian did something similar... but i won't hold my breath
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2107[19:38:06] <sieve> greycat: If configure fails try --with-webp-dir=<DIR>; If configure fails try --with-jpeg-dir=<DIR>; configure: error: png.h not found.
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2109[19:38:30] <greycat> libpng-dev
2110[19:38:40] <greycat> sounds like you are just plain missing a bunch of -dev packages
2111[19:39:06] <carlino3> how can i set a root password if i have no access to root account?
2112[19:39:14] <greycat> !i forgot root's password
2113[19:39:14] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
2114[19:39:18] <carlino3> oh sorry
2115[19:39:31] <joepublic> :)
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2117[19:39:58] <carlino3> after setting the password, i have to restore the old kernel settings in grub?
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2119[19:40:12] <bites> nope
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2121[19:40:20] <carlino3> ok, lets try
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2126[19:43:31] <carlino3> i append init=/bin/sh to the end of the file
2127[19:43:48] <carlino3> but when i boot it is the same. ask for my decryption password, then, the same error is showed
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2132[19:46:14] <bites> you need to add it to the kernel line. it stards with "linux"
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2137[19:47:31] <carlino3> done!
2138[19:47:32] <carlino3> thanks
2139[19:48:35] <carlino3> fsck says
2140[19:48:51] <carlino3> "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystem"
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2142[19:49:00] <carlino3> over /root
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2145[19:50:13] <carlino3> over /home i get "Inodes that were part of a corrupted orphan linked list found. Fix?"
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2150[19:51:52] <carlino3> it display a lot of warnings over /home. should i say "yes" to fix these?
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2154[19:54:32] <joepublic> use your best judgment based on how important the files are vs. the convenience of recovering them quickly if possible.
2155[19:54:44] <carlino3> joepublic: are you there
2156[19:54:52] <azi`> is systemd the default init system on debian?
2157[19:55:01] <greycat> Yes, since jessie.
2158[19:55:12] <joepublic> azi`, you're in luck: yes it is
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2160[19:55:18] <carlino3> joepublic: i don't have any relevant information there, but i want to recover the system if possible
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2162[19:55:37] <carlino3> i have a project but i have enough backup so it is not a problem
2163[19:55:46] <joepublic> carlino3, then say yes.
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2165[19:55:56] <carlino3> this can screw up the fs in any way?
2166[19:56:07] <petn-randall> carlino3: There's a small chance, yes.
2167[19:56:14] <joepublic> carlino3, if the fs is screwed up, it can make it more screwed up in trying to fix it.
2168[19:56:26] <carlino3> hard choice...
2169[19:56:29] <joepublic> "usually works for most people" is the expected result.
2170[19:56:49] <carlino3> lets try...
2171[19:57:02] <carlino3> should i run fsck withotu args? to check all fs?
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2177[19:59:41] <carlino3> looks like solved, im in graphic mode
2178[19:59:43] <carlino3> thanks to all!
2179[19:59:53] <joepublic> awesome.
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2184[20:00:59] <carlino3> actually i was following the instructions to restore root passwor, but fsck solved it...
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2194[20:09:10] <SerajewelKS> carlino3: now would be a great time to make sure you have working backups
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2196[20:10:24] <carlino3> SerajewelKS: yes, i'm making backups right now
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2278[20:58:11] <sysadmin_wannabe> anyway to enable the touchpad on a thinkpad on the fly? I disabled it on BIOS and did not want to reboot
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2280[20:59:29] <petn-randall> sysadmin_wannabe: If it's disabled in the BIOS there's no way to enable it from within the OS>
2281[20:59:34] <petn-randall> s/>/./
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2287[21:02:48] <sysadmin_wannabe> oh ok
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2295[21:10:33] <jhutchins_wk> Well, you can actually access the BIOS settings from the OS, but it's pretty tricky, and there's a good chance the OS wouldn't pick it up.
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2302[21:13:42] <joepublic> or shrug and use a usb mouse if available
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2306[21:15:46] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: So what would the steps be to enable the touchpad? Genuinely curious.
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2328[21:29:49] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: It would depend on the specific motherboard. Basically you access it as if it were part of RAM. Some Dell servers have a program that can be used to adjust BIOS settings (and maybe even update the BIOS?) from the live OS.
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2332[21:30:45] <jhutchins_wk> I had a consumer system that came with a (W95?) program that could change settings.
2333[21:31:08] <petn-randall> Sure, but that's few and far between.
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2335[21:31:23] <petn-randall> I've been using Lenovos for quite a while and haven't found ways to change BIOS settings from the OS.
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2337[21:31:41] <petn-randall> s/that's/they are/
2338[21:32:01] <jhutchins_wk> I think if you poke the right register you can do 'things' but without detailed specs you don't know what address is what.
2339[21:32:04] <joepublic> I think HP servers have such a utility
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2350[21:36:38] <glaucom> hi all :) I am creating a project, which I need to upload a PPTX, and after the upload open the FILE.PPTX libreoffice in php. I can not do it any way.
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2352[21:37:18] <glaucom> if I do the command locally php test.php it opens normally. If the browser does not work, it will not work.
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2368[21:45:29] <jhutchins_wk> glaucom: How are you uploading it?
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2372[21:46:36] <carlino3> glaucom: try #php
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2377[21:49:08] <jhutchins_wk> carlino3: Might also try #httpd, I imagine some extra configuration might be needed there to allow executable code in the upload directory.
2378[21:49:33] <jhutchins_wk> glaucom: Might also try #httpd, I imagine some extra configuration might be needed there to allow executable code in the upload directory.
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2380[21:49:38] <jhutchins_wk> Sorry carlino3
2381[21:49:42] <carlino3> np
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2383[21:50:04] <jhutchins_wk> glaucom: You might also need to change the extension to php for the server to recognize the mime type.
2384[21:50:34] <carlino3> yes, could be a webserver issue too
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2387[21:51:08] <carlino3> glaucom: by "don't work" what do you mean? what happens? you see the PHP code in the web browser?
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2389[21:52:05] <joepublic> "what you expected and what happens instead" is infinitely more diagnostic than "didn't work dude, did nothing" (the answer to which is "try plugging it in")
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2392[21:52:48] <glaucom> i no have results...
2393[21:52:56] <carlino3> blank page?
2394[21:53:00] <glaucom> yes
2395[21:53:15] <carlino3> and the response code is 200?
2396[21:53:23] <glaucom> if comand line php test.php << exec('libreoffice'); works
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2398[21:53:37] <glaucom> online no open
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2400[21:53:57] <carlino3> or 500? if you have display_errors set to false in php.ini, it could be a PHP error.
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2402[21:54:06] <carlino3> you are using exec() in that script?
2403[21:54:06] <glaucom> k i try
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2405[21:54:20] <glaucom> yes, exec('lxterminal'); sample
2406[21:54:21] <carlino3> maybe the php.ini that is loading the webserver has exec() disabled for security reasons
2407[21:54:33] <glaucom> php.ini is ok and checked
2408[21:54:33] <carlino3> or some other function, that explain why it works from cli and not from webserver
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2410[21:55:12] <glaucom> i try expport DISPLAY=:0 && libreoffice
2411[21:55:23] <glaucom> :(
2412[21:55:49] <carlino3> you want to run libreoffice from the PHP script (opening the uploaded document)?
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2417[21:58:13] <hansol> cp: cannot create directory '/var/replaced-url
2418[21:58:18] <glaucom> yes the upload file is ok
2419[21:59:14] <carlino3> you expect to see the libreoffice graphic interface with that file loaded from the PHP script executed by the webserver?
2420[21:59:23] <carlino3> btw, this sounds like a PHP question, come to #php
2421[22:00:56] <hansol> anyone
2422[22:00:56] <hansol> ?
2423[22:01:23] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
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2426[22:01:39] <carlino3> that is irrelevant
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2428[22:02:11] <carlino3> hansol: looks like a permission issue. check the permissions and owner of web1 folder. "ls -la"
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2460[22:13:06] <glaucom> k carlino
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2483[22:23:11] <BCMM> glaucom: so you're receiving the uploaded file correctly, but your script is *also* supposed to started libreoffice to view the file, and that bit isn't working? is that right?
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2487[22:25:01] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
2488[22:25:27] <glaucom> in terminal "php teste.php" open lxterminal ok.
2489[22:25:43] <glaucom> in web:
2490[22:25:47] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
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2492[22:26:34] <karlpinc> Something odd has started happening in the last few weeks. Either my internet connection is going down for long enough to disconnect IRC or my client is sleeping. I always get reconnected. I'm using emacs with erc as my client. And X (over the network). And xfce4. I've not changed my screensaver/sleep settings.
2493[22:27:33] <karlpinc> glaucom: People don't tend to want to look at screenshots unless there's no alternative. Cut and paste is better. (Try typing "/msg dpkg paste" in this channel for help.)
2494[22:27:54] <greycat> I'm really not understanding the question here -- is he trying to run a PHP script that opens a terminal on a web server?!
2495[22:28:13] <carlino3> not a terminal, a GUI program. of course is not going to work
2496[22:28:23] <greycat> He's using lxterminal in the example.
2497[22:28:32] <greycat> Which I'm assuming is an X terminal emulator.
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2499[22:28:42] <carlino3> oh i didn't saw it
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2501[22:29:08] <greycat> A PHP script that is installed on a web server runs *on* the web server. Not on the client's machine.
2502[22:29:29] <carlino3> seen*
2503[22:29:35] <BCMM> greycat: i think he's trying to launch an x11 application, on the server, from the php script
2504[22:29:45] <greycat> "I didn't see it" would be the correct grammar
2505[22:29:45] <glaucom> greycat,
2506[22:30:04] <glaucom> micro = computer
2507[22:30:24] <BCMM> greycat: the objective is something along the lines of a web page where you upload a slideshow, and when it finishes uploading, the server automatically displays it on the attached monitor
2508[22:30:28] <BCMM> glaucom: have i understood correctly? ^
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2510[22:31:00] <greycat> BCMM: well, it would need to have permission/authentication to contact the X11 server that's running on the web server's display...
2511[22:31:17] <glaucom> yes !!
2512[22:31:19] <BCMM> greycat: yes, i *think* that's the problem here (i mean, apart from the whole concept)
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2515[22:31:44] <BCMM> xhost should solve this, but i must admit i'm a bit rusty on how to do this without exposing X11 too much
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2517[22:31:47] <carlino3> glaucom: why? doesn't sounds like a good idea
2518[22:32:17] <greycat> xhost is never the right answer
2519[22:32:30] <karlpinc> BCMM: To do it safely just tunnel X with ssh.
2520[22:32:37] <greycat> you'd be better off starting X as whatever user the PHP scripts run as
2521[22:33:03] <greycat> "what could go wrong"
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2524[22:34:06] <BCMM> glaucom: is X actually running? if so, how did you start X?
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2526[22:34:24] <karlpinc> How about just having the server constantantly running the slideshow (feh is a good choice) on it's monitor and then the webserver can just feed image files into a slideshow directory, remove them, etc.
2527[22:34:26] <BCMM> greycat: if you're using a display manager, try logging in as replaced-url
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2529[22:34:36] <greycat> karlpinc: I do like that.
2530[22:34:41] <BCMM> karlpinc: he said it's a pptx
2531[22:34:53] <greycat> what on earth is a pptx
2532[22:35:05] <karlpinc> Gotta be power point.
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2534[22:35:19] <BCMM> greycat: microsoft office "open" XML version of powerpoint
2535[22:35:42] <BCMM> but still, a separate shell script running as an appropriate user that watches a directory and launches libreoffice would work
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2537[22:35:50] <glaucom> login with startx
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2539[22:36:00] <karlpinc> All right then, run a job that loops forever and starts libreoffice and runs the slide show from the pptx file that's in a known location.
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2542[22:36:43] <BCMM> glaucom: which user do you run startx as?
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2545[22:36:55] <karlpinc> BCMM: You've got the problem of reloading the slide show. This might mean you restart libreoffice. Either every iteration of the slide show or less often.
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2547[22:37:14] <karlpinc> Or, convert it out of pptx.
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2549[22:37:28] <BCMM> karlpinc: hmm, i wonder if the monitoring script should actually run as a libreoffice macro...
2550[22:37:30] * BCMM ducks
2551[22:37:30] <glaucom> the idea of the php script is to kill the libreoffice process, upload the new file and then open the new file.
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2555[22:38:42] <greycat> glaucom: simplify.
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2558[22:39:01] <karlpinc> glaucom: You want the webserver to have a little to do as possible, especially if it's exposed to the internet. It should not have permissions to kill things. If you want libreoffice killed and restarted when a new file shows up use incron.
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2560[22:39:34] <greycat> I agree with karlpinc's proposal.
2561[22:39:36] <karlpinc> glaucom: Then you can get rid of the php script and use scp instead. It will manage your security.
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2563[22:39:49] <greycat> well, not scp.
2564[22:39:51] <glaucom> only localhost
2565[22:40:02] <BCMM> glaucom: karlpinc is right - you should have a second script that monitors the upload directory, and launches libreoffice when the file appears
2566[22:40:13] <BCMM> glaucom: instead of launching libreoffice directly from the php script
2567[22:40:19] <greycat> SFTP if it has to be done by Windows users with a graphical client, or maybe he really does need the PHP script if it has to be web-based because of... Windows users.
2568[22:40:47] <karlpinc> sftp is fine.
2569[22:40:57] <glaucom> BCMM , good idea
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2571[22:41:14] <BCMM> yeah, i don't feel like http being used when it's clearly suboptimal really needs explanation. it's basically the one protocol everything does ootb.
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2574[22:41:40] <glaucom> i have drop down file upload
2575[22:41:43] <glaucom> works fine
2576[22:41:45] <karlpinc> glaucom: The purpose of incron is to do exactly that, monitor and do things when a new file shows up. Sadly, debugging incron is slightly tweaky.
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2579[22:43:44] <glaucom> Uploaded file: replaced-url
2580[22:43:57] <greycat> Since you control the PHP upload script, make sure it writes to a temp filename and then moves it to the final name atomically. Then your incron/inotify/whatever monitoring thing can react when that rename happens, and it'll always have a whole file.
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2586[22:45:18] <BCMM> could also just do `inotifywait -e create .`
2587[22:45:35] <BCMM> incron is nice and all, but waiting for a new file to appear in a directory is pretty simple
2588[22:46:18] <greycat> So you launch libreoffice while the file is still being written?
2589[22:46:27] <glaucom> BCMM: is a raspberry pi3, which has stayed on a television in the care of the place. so I'm doing the drag drop and automating everything, to make it easier for the attendant to just do the drag and drop of pptx and start automatically. :)
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2591[22:46:45] <karlpinc> BCMM: Good point
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2595[22:47:34] <BCMM> glaucom: this *is* all on a trusted LAN, right?
2596[22:47:42] <BCMM> because even done right, this is horrifically exploitable
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2598[22:47:51] <glaucom> yes, trust lan only
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2601[22:48:23] <glaucom> even with php protected with passwords for example?
2602[22:48:29] <karlpinc> (Be nice if there was no lan at all. Just a usb stick with the pptx file on it. But of course that would mean vfat issues. *sigh*)
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2605[22:50:18] <karlpinc> glaucom: Yes. There's so many points of attack. Are you using https? If so do you have a trusted cert, because if not then your subject to man-in-the-middle attacks. And on and on.
2606[22:51:14] <agio> does anyone know how to use the ?widen operator to apitude, so aptitude search will show all versions? e.g. I tried: aptitude search '?widen(?name("^firefox-esr$"))' but it didn't show all the versions that apt local index knows about
2607[22:51:17] <glaucom> k, this locallan is secure
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2612[22:53:01] <glaucom> Currently we have 20 meters of hdmi cable connected in a notebook, for pptx presentations. this cable ends up always breaking.
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2614[22:53:35] <glaucom> for now what I did: a folder with samba, with user and permission. it's real vnc lol
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2617[22:54:05] <glaucom> so it works on raspberry.
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2620[22:54:26] <glaucom> understood the scenario?
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2623[22:55:59] <bites> agio: what do you mean by show versions? aptitude search shows packages not versions.
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2625[22:56:28] <agio> bites: I mean all versions of a package
2626[22:56:30] <somiaj> agio: apt policy firefox-esr
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2628[22:56:40] <somiaj> use apt policy for that (this is all versions in your sources.list)
2629[22:56:46] <agio> but using aptitude - not apt
2630[22:57:20] <somiaj> apt should be installed. I don't see why you need to use aptitude for this.
2631[22:57:24] <bites> that would be aptitude versions not search.
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2634[22:57:48] <glaucom> BCMM:
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2636[22:58:16] <bites> but the ?widen in your example doesn't make sense anyway.
2637[22:58:16] <agio> somiaj: If I could do searches with apt, like I can with aptitude , yes I would be happy to use apt, but I don't know apt at all
2638[22:58:31] <somiaj> but yea, there is aptitude versions, though I find the info in apt policy better
2639[22:58:33] <jhutchins_wk> That's odd. Buster installer on Virtualbox detects it as UEFI - which it definitely is not.
2640[22:58:51] <somiaj> agio: I use both tools, apt does search, but agreed, aptitude has better search capabilities for more complicated situations.
2641[22:58:54] <agio> bites: yes, I don't understand ?widen - thats why my example doesn't make sense
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2645[23:00:06] <bites> agio: if you have a modifier that restrict selections by version, widen cancels that restriction. aptitude search still doesn't show versions.
2646[23:00:16] <agio> somiaj: yes, for example, I want to list all packages on a system which have security upgrades available for them, do you know how to do that?
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2649[23:00:48] <agio> bites: ah, ok, that makes sense, thanks
2650[23:00:52] <somiaj> agio: According to the docs, ?widen is to allow returns packages even if the version avilable doesn't match the version needed by depends.
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2653[23:01:57] <somiaj> agio: on stable this is mostly sufficent, 'apt --list --upgradeable
2654[23:02:15] <somiaj> sorr apt list --upgradable
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2658[23:02:55] <agio> that will show pacages from stable-updates too though? I just want the security packages
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2665[23:06:03] <somiaj> agio: that is what I mean by mostly, though often you want the bugfixes too.
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2668[23:08:01] <somiaj> aptitude search ~U gives upgradable, not seeing any flag that limits to just stretch/security packages though.
2669[23:08:07] <agio> I have a system in which I can't do security updates, I prefer to get this system patched with security fixes first, then focus on regular bugs later :)
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2671[23:08:39] <greycat> You can't "do security updates", whatever that means, because...?
2672[23:08:42] <agio> somiaj: Im looking in the docs to see if you can match packages by ?origin operator
2673[23:09:02] <somiaj> I think the origin is going to be Debian for both packages from stretch and stretch/updates
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2678[23:10:13] <somiaj> but I'm not seeing a serch term in aptitude to distniguish packages from stretch vs stretch/updates
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2680[23:10:46] <somiaj> I tried archive, but ~Astretch/updates didn't return any thing, which shows nothing is matching that as an archive.
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2685[23:12:58] <somiaj> aptitude search ~Vdeb9u~U is as probably as close as you can get, here I'm use the fact that security updates have version appended with *deb9u* in them. Provided this is indeed the case for all security packages, it will work.
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2687[23:13:37] <somiaj> (though unsure if that is also used for other updates that are non security related)
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2692[23:15:04] <karlpinc> agio: In the past I've done: grep -i 'security\.debian\.org' /etc/apt/sources.list > /tmp/sources ; aptitude -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist=/tmp/sources safe-upgrade
2693[23:15:28] <karlpinc> agio: Or something similar anyway.
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2705[23:21:52] <karlpinc> agio: (You have to aptitude update, before the safe-upgrade. And then don't forget to aptitude update after or you won't see all your repos. And there's issues with deleting the tmp file, etc.)
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2708[23:22:11] <karlpinc> I think
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2716[23:24:42] <NetTerminalGene> When will buster freeze?
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2736[23:39:50] <jhutchins> v calibre
2737[23:40:00] <jhutchins> ,v calibre
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2739[23:40:00] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1; wheezy-security: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; jessie-backports: 2.75.1+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 3.31.0+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 3.34.0+dfsg-1; sid: 3.34.0+dfsg-1
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