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62 [00:27:41] <hmuller> greetings. I've installed gwc,
using: sudo apt-get install gwc, it installs normally. but
afterwards, the executable is missing. am I missing something?
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68 [00:33:23] <SlidingHorn> hmuller: which version of debian are
you running?
69 [00:33:36] <samnob> hmuller: "dpkg -L gwc | grep
bin" gives a hint.
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72 [00:34:50] <cariveri> gwc ? wc with gui ?
73 [00:35:31] <at0m> GNOME Wave Cleaner
74 [00:35:35] <at0m> audio denoiser
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77 [00:37:50] <hmuller> SlingHorn: Stretch
78 [00:39:22] <hmuller> samnob: Ha! thx, I incorrectly assumed
the executable was gwc. Thanks for that tip, I'll save that
next time.
79 [00:39:33] <hmuller> for next time*
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84 [00:48:04] <HeXiLeD> anyone recommends a pdf reader that also
does duplex printing ?
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95 [00:50:48] <linuxthefish> is anyone turkish here?
96 [00:51:28] <HeXiLeD> just you linuxthefish
97 [00:51:38] <rpifan> no
98 [00:51:50] <linuxthefish> HeXiLeD, sadly not or I would be
able to answer my own question :p
99 [00:53:08] <rant> is there some kind of voodoo required to
rip a dvd using handbrake? I never can seem to get it to do
anything, it scans the dvd then shows no titles after having scanned
titles.. stdout/stderr arent telling me anything
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102 [00:55:35] <rant> it seems to be the only gui frontend for
ripping dvds in stretch
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119 [00:59:38] <bug> rant, the debian version of handbrake is
defanged.
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126 [01:01:20] <rant> figures.. heh
127 [01:02:44] <annadane> bug, source?
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131 [01:05:35] <annadane> i'm looking at for example
bugs.debian.org and trying to find copyright issues but can't
find any
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133 [01:06:20] <rant> !deb-multimedia
134 [01:06:20] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
135 [01:06:38] <rant> !dmm stretch
136 [01:06:38] <dpkg> If you really need deb-multimedia.org (are
you sure your information isn't five years out of date?), then
(as root): echo "deb
replaced-url
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138 [01:07:21] <annadane> ah, ok
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152 [01:17:21] <michael2> when documents refer to BIOS or UEFI
they always call it firmware which implies it runs on its own
processor. but apparently BIOS "firmware" runs on the CPU.
so does this "firmware" simply get stored on a BIOS chip
then, at boot, get loaded onto the CPU?
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154 [01:17:49] <michael2> in that case shouldn't it be
called software? and the BIOS chip just a storage device?
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171 [01:24:40] <bazabanga> I am trying to install php-soap on
debian jessie, but I get package not found
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173 [01:25:00] <bazabanga> I use "jessie main contrib
non-free"
174 [01:25:11] <bazabanga> and based on:
replaced-url
175 [01:25:28] <bazabanga> I presume apt should be able to
"see" it
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177 [01:25:46] <bazabanga> any hint? (using the mediawiki docker
image)
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180 [01:27:06] <bug> michael2, 'firmware' has never
implied running on its own cpu. it's just software stored on a
chip. that's the literal definition.
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182 [01:27:27] <bazabanga> thanks. solved. using
"oldstable" instead of "jessie" solved the
problem
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184 [01:27:36] <bazabanga> not really understanding why ...
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195 [01:39:06] <michael2> bug: so specifically
"firmware" is software stored in a chip which is dedicated
to that program? often in a read only way (e.g. on a ROM chip). As
opposed to "software" which is a program stored on a
general purpose mass storage device?
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200 [01:41:06] <rpifan> kinda yes
201 [01:41:11] <rpifan> firmware is between the soft and hard
202 [01:41:13] <rpifan> ware
203 [01:41:44] <mutante> if you have to "flash" it
it's firmware, if you can "install" it it's
software
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210 [01:45:24] <rpifan> os mutantes mutante
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214 [01:46:15] <mutante> rpifan: accion mutante ;)
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222 [01:50:48] <rpifan> whats that
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255 [02:09:55] <Project86__> How do you you install one distro on
top of another without vm? I've seen scripts like
"katoolin" that puts all kali tools on any distro. I was
wanting to put a diff distro on top of my PiCroft (raspian jessie)
distro. I edited /etc/apt/sources.list and put the distros proper (I
think? 99%sure) repo in, commented the others put, did update
(according to another tut), nothing. Tried reuncommenting the
original and update
256 [02:09:55] <Project86__> again, nothing. What am I doing
wrong if it's been shown to work?
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324 [02:32:33] <SirusGedo> hello guys ,, how can i get a free
visa card ?
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335 [02:41:01] <bb36e> I have a couple on my desk, don't
think there's much left in them though
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338 [02:42:33] <bug> this isn't the place to discuss illegal
activities. or anywhere on freenode.
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363 [03:01:44] <snadge> yo dawgs.. i heard you like znc, so i
backported znc from sid to stretch.. but i probably did it in the
most dodgy way imaginable, because i have no idea what im doing, and
theres no package in backports
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365 [03:02:19] <snadge> i ended up doing fakeroot ./debian/rules
binary .. because dpkg-buildpackage was complaining about modified
files and things of this nature
366 [03:02:44] <SlidingHorn> I really expected a better
zn-ception joke...
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388 [03:09:49] <mellotto> hi there
389 [03:10:14] <mellotto> do you use graphicall IRC clients? Any
suggestions?
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391 [03:11:02] <bb36e> hexchat
392 [03:11:05] <NerdTheThird> ^
393 [03:11:07] <bazhang> hexchat quassel
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395 [03:11:08] <NerdTheThird> best one
396 [03:11:15] <bazhang> there are others
397 [03:11:29] <mellotto> hexchat or quassel?
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399 [03:11:36] <NerdTheThird> i've been using hexchat for 2
years now, it's literally the best one
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401 [03:11:40] <bazhang> those are two
402 [03:11:41] <NerdTheThird> go hex
403 [03:11:55] <bazhang> there is no 'best'
404 [03:11:59] <NerdTheThird> #TeamHex
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406 [03:12:05] <bazhang> get what suits you
407 [03:12:16] <mellotto> I am using Hex now. Honestly I did not
like the polari
408 [03:12:17] <bazhang> the channel is #hexchat
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599 [05:06:21] <mellotto> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS:
Debian 9.4 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400S CPU @ 2.50GHz
(2,47GHz) • Memory: Physical: 6,6 GiB Total (5,2 GiB Free)
Swap: 7,3 GiB Total (7,3 GiB Free) • Storage: 69,0 GB / 1,2 TB
(1,1 TB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core
Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation
2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller • Uptime:
2h 56m 23s
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602 [05:07:28] <HeXiLeD> so now are we suppose to worship you or
something ?
603 [05:07:51] * dvs kneels before Zod
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605 [05:10:12] <mellotto> no need for. but if the issue you are
facing is non-OS related, maybe I can help.
606 [05:10:24] <whjms> Finally, a machine that can run Debian!
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622 [05:20:07] <mellotto> not a great machine hardware I know...
but it is the best I could get and stay on budget.... ;)
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664 [05:48:08] <noob983475> Noob here. Former Ubuntu user. Trying
to install Debian from a live USB. When I boot into an Ubuntu live
USB, it asks if I want to install it. The Debian live USB did not. A
cursory Google search told me to run `sudo
debian-installer-launcher` but all I got was "command not
found." Please school me.
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666 [05:50:25] <somiaj> you want to use the debian installer, not
the live cd. It is suggested you use the offical debian install
CD's (not the live ones) to install. But the live image does
contain an debain installer. But you run the installer at boot (not
after you are in the live enviorment)
667 [05:50:47] <somiaj> so when you boot the cd, before you boot
into the live enviorment, there are some options, find the option
that says to boot into the installer.
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675 [05:54:34] <noob983475> Not reading the GRUB menu, rookie
mistake eh
676 [05:54:43] <noob983475> Ubuntu treated me with a shiny GUI
for everything
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681 [05:57:33] <somiaj> noob983475: that feature was removed from
the live cd since it was buggy (the installer would fail to install
grub if ran from inside the live enviorment. Due to limited
resources, the solution was to just include the offical
debian-installer and not create and matain a seperate one for the
live images)
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734 [06:40:17] <JohnDoe2> using this, which is probably quite
outdated since jessie is used, but anyway (replaced-url
735 [06:40:40] <JohnDoe2> That usually means some kind of gfx
card issues. Am I wrong?
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742 [06:42:10] <somiaj> JohnDoe2: you may want to try #debian-arm
on irc.oftc.net if you don't get much response here (I think
people who use arm are kinda limited). That being said, assuming the
instructions work for jessie, why not just install jessie (it is
still supported). After you install jessie (maybe just a minimial
system) you can then upgrade it to stretch.
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745 [06:43:01] <JohnDoe2> somiaj I actually followed the tutorial
with jessie and that's where I bump into the black boot screen.
I'm assuming the kernel is active but anyway, thanks a bunch,
didn't know about oftc
746 [06:43:16] <somiaj> JohnDoe2: that is if you think the issue
is something with stretch. Also what part of the process are you
getting the black screen, at the 'grub' or boot loader
stage. If you are getting a black screen there, I would assume it is
not video related, but something with the bootloader setup.
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748 [06:43:21] <somiaj> but I don't use arm, so I'm
only guessing.
749 [06:44:03] <somiaj> there is a smaller population there, so
lurk around after asking your question. Also timing can help, if you
dn't get a response try back at a differnt time (like in 12
hours)
750 [06:44:04] <JohnDoe2> I can't see anything other than a
black screen as soon as I boot off the SD card
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752 [06:44:16] <JohnDoe2> makes sense
753 [06:44:18] <JohnDoe2> thanks again
754 [06:44:27] <somiaj> that sounds more like the bootloader,
than graphics card issue with the kernel.
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756 [06:44:50] <somiaj> though what are you using the boot off
the SD card, is this some efi setup or grub?
757 [06:45:18] <JohnDoe2> it's EFI as far as I understand
758 [06:45:35] <JohnDoe2> vanilla ChromeOS bootloader,
haven't flashed yet, wanted to try first
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760 [06:46:53] <somiaj> hmm, maybe it is the kernel, though my
understanding is with uefi the graphics info should be passed
directly to the kernel. But again I know very little of how arm
works. Anyways, sounds like you have done your research and have a
better understanding than me. Hope you can get help in #debian-arm
if no one responds here.
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762 [06:47:50] <JohnDoe2> okay, I'll keep digging. thank you
again for the tip!
763 [06:48:14] <cluelessperson> How do you set NFS server so that
any file/directory create has certain owner:group and permissions?
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765 [06:48:57] <cluelessperson> Basically, i'm trying to
force all the files/directories to be, root:archive 770
766 [06:49:13] <cluelessperson> then on a client NFS machine,
mount it owned as root:group 770
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768 [06:50:05] <somiaj> cluelessperson: do you have to have the
owner set there. Provided you have the users mapped correctly from
client to server, you could just set up normal permissions 770, and
then set it up so all new files are put in the archive group and
given 770 (or 660 for non directories).
769 [06:50:18] <somiaj> and I think that is the same if or if not
you did this over nfs.
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771 [06:50:38] <cluelessperson> somiaj: what do you mean
"mapped correctly" ?
772 [06:50:44] <cluelessperson> I don't want the client and
server to share users
773 [06:50:50] <somiaj> cluelessperson: meaning the uid/gids of
the server/client are the same.
774 [06:50:57] <cluelessperson> this isn't a user
environment
775 [06:51:14] <somiaj> I think that is the prefered way to use
nfs. I am unsure on if you want the users to be different.
776 [06:51:26] <cluelessperson> somiaj: I'm trying to keep
it, root:archive on the server. mount it as root:group on the
client, and force all permisisons to be 770
777 [06:51:46] <cluelessperson> somiaj: So no, I'm not
wanting to match up uids/gids between servers
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783 [06:52:43] <somiaj> hmm, I sonder if using something besides
nfs would be perfable for that, though I only know a little about
how this all works. But I don't think nfs works like that
easily...tyring to find some docs though.
784 [06:53:12] <cluelessperson> somiaj: with NTFS/CIFS I can set
the mount uid, gid
785 [06:53:30] <cluelessperson> somiaj: So technically all the
writes are as root, but it's exposed on the FS with those
permissions
786 [06:53:32] <somiaj> maybe sshfs would work better, since all
permsions would be set as the user being used.
787 [06:54:07] <somiaj> cluelessperson: corerct, but ntfs/cifs
are not standard unix file systems and these have built in methods
to give them compadability, nfs on the other hand is meant to be
able to use default permisions and chmod/chown stuff.
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797 [06:54:38] <somiaj> It might be possible, but my
understanding is nfs is set up differently by default to be able to
preserve permisions.
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807 [06:55:46] <somiaj> cluelessperson: it might be possible, but
nfs is typically not used that way.
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819 [06:57:52] <cluelessperson> somiaj: well, it seems NFS is
made for enterprise scenarios where you might use something like an
LDAP server to sync identities across servers.
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822 [06:58:16] <somiaj> cluelessperson:
replaced-url
823 [06:58:26] <cluelessperson> somiaj: where all the uids and
gids would match. If I were setting this up for an organization, I
would do that, but this is just for me to use, I'm only
creating samba shares for my brothers.
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825 [06:58:59] <somiaj> cluelessperson: correct, nfs is more for
that. Hence you migth just want to use samba/cifs, or sshfs for this
instead of nfs. But I think that all_squash, anonuid, and anongid
will do the trick.
826 [06:59:20] <cluelessperson> somiaj: I'll try that,
thanks
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832 [07:02:57] <kamo> hey
833 [07:03:14] <kamo> how do I enable audio on my debian machine?
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835 [07:03:48] <kamo> i installed debian using the debian netinst
iso
836 [07:03:50] <cluelessperson> kamo: what sort of debian
machine/setup ?
837 [07:03:54] <somiaj> kamo: it should be enabled. First what
desktop are you using?
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840 [07:04:33] <kamo> cluelessperson: debian latest. I
didn't select any desktop. infact, i have no dm. Only the i3 wm
installed on my system.
841 [07:04:47] <kamo> somiaj: i3 wm with no DM
842 [07:04:58] <somiaj> then most likely you have alsa, and
though most things work with alsa, many like the additional features
of pulse.
843 [07:05:17] <somiaj> kamo: Run this command, 'cat
/proc/asound/cards' -- do you see multiple sound cards listed?
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851 [07:10:26] <kamo_> hey! i installed pulseaudio. will that
chnge things? and no i don't have alsa-* installed on my
machine
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853 [07:11:54] <annadane> generally if you have no sound at all
pavucontrol will probably fix your issues
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855 [07:12:16] <annadane> except your psychological ones;
you're on your own, there
856 [07:12:31] <kamo_> pavucontrol is a part of which package?
857 [07:12:32] <somiaj> annadane: not if you dn't have pulse
installed, which is probably the case for a minimial wm install.
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859 [07:12:53] <annadane> ah, maybe it doesn't automatically
pull in pulseaudio, i seem to remember that now
860 [07:12:57] <annadane> kamo_, pavucontrol
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862 [07:13:15] <annadane> i'm too lazy to go check the
depends
863 [07:13:18] <somiaj> kamo_: alsa is part of the linux kernel,
it is always present. Pulse is on top of alsa. But if using pulse,
then yes pavucontrol (package name as well) is a desktop independent
tool to configure the audio devices.
864 [07:13:26] <kamo_> somiaj: so alsa shows abunch of files to
install which one should I go with?
865 [07:13:42] <somiaj> annadane: almost all desktops will pull
in pulse, but I think wm's only if the user wants it.
866 [07:14:31] <somiaj> kamo_: you shouldn't need to isntall
anything. Alsa is inside the kernel and all the stuff for sound to
work should be avaiable. the alsamixer package is nice if using
alsa, as it gives you a ncurses tool to control volumes. Outside of
that you shoudln't need anything to use alsa.
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868 [07:14:44] <somiaj> kamo_: but if using pulse, use tools for
pulse, not alsa.
869 [07:15:40] <kamo_> somiaj: so I installed pavucontrol and it
shows gui interface which i nice but then im not able to control the
sound using my volume keys
870 [07:15:43] <somiaj> the main things about alsa, if you have
multiple sound cards (which is quite common these days due to hdmi)
you will may need to configure which one alsa uses. I do this via
$HOME/.asoundrc, but again you said you installed pulse, so
pavucontrol (pulse audio volume contorol)
871 [07:15:59] <cluelessperson> How do I make it so all the
files/directories created by a certain process have default
owner:group permissions?
872 [07:16:04] <cluelessperson> umask seems to handle the
permissions
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874 [07:17:00] <somiaj> kamo_: using the volume keys to control
sound will depend on your wm, what key bindings are setup, and if
they are setup to contorl pulse or alsa. You may have to manually
configure those to work (I do here in fvwm)
875 [07:17:22] <somiaj> cluelessperson: This is just normal ext4
(unix) permsision, not over nfs now? I don't think that is
possible. I think you can only control the group, not the owner.
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877 [07:17:44] <somiaj> and in general you don't want to
allow a user to be able to write files as a differnt owner, this is
a security issue.
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879 [07:18:00] <kamo_> somiaj: oh okay so i need to configure i3
to maybe linkthose vol keys to pavucontrol?
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881 [07:18:24] <somiaj> kamo_: I think so, unsure if i3 already
has this setup or not. But yes, you need to look into i3 key
bindings and configure it.
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883 [07:19:13] <somiaj> cluelessperson:
replaced-url
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885 [07:19:44] <kamo_> somiaj: okay so pavucontrol didn
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888 [07:20:00] <kamo_> actually get the audio working
889 [07:20:08] <somiaj> cluelessperson:
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890 [07:20:10] <SlidingHorn> kamo_: add a line like this to your
~/.config/i3/config file bindsym XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec
--no-startup-id pactl set-sink-volume - +5%
891 [07:20:31] <SlidingHorn> (and one for volume down, as well)
kamo_
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894 [07:21:18] <somiaj> cluelessperson: the other suggestions
I'm seeing is just use a different file system (non unix) which
forces all files to ahve a single uid. Maybe make a vfat file system
just for this.
895 [07:21:30] <kamo_> SlidingHorn: is that keymap forthe volume
button?
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897 [07:21:51] <SlidingHorn> kamo_: XF86AudioRaiseVolume? Yes
898 [07:21:58] <somiaj> kamo_: yes, and you can use the program
'xev' to double check that the keys are sending the
keycode XF86AudioRaiseVolume
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901 [07:22:12] <somiaj> and XF86AudioLowerVolume
902 [07:22:55] <kamo_> somiaj: okay thanks and pavucontrol
doesn't seem to make the audio work
903 [07:23:02] <kamo_> why is that?
904 [07:23:44] <somiaj> you would ahve to be more detailed, also
double check you have slected the correct sound card, speakers
plugged in correctly (or the correct port), turned on, etc. There
are are various things that could be the problem.
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910 [07:25:26] <kamo_> somiaj: yes i selected the correct speaker
and its a laptop so...
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913 [07:25:44] <somiaj> sometimes laptops have hardware mute
buttons on them.
914 [07:25:54] <somiaj> also check using headphones.
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1067 [08:58:52] <michael2> hi all. does anyone know how to set
colors for rxvt-unicode? (via ~/.Xdefaults)
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1070 [09:01:51] <Antares> Parade Victory 2018 -
replaced-url
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1073 [09:02:43] <Fox> Antares: why ?
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1083 [09:06:59] <AndreasLutro> michael2:
replaced-url
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1086 [09:09:07] <michael2> AndreasLutro: thanks. is it possible
for me to just copy one line at a time from that file? or do I need
to source the whole thing?
1087 [09:09:26] <AndreasLutro> of course you can copy just the
lines you want
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1090 [09:10:43] <michael2> I just copied this line:
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1092 [09:10:45] <michael2> *color4: #039be5
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1094 [09:11:18] <michael2> and ran `xrdb ~/.Xdefaults' - and
started a new urxvt - and the color didn't apply?
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1096 [09:11:52] <AndreasLutro> which urxvt do you have installed?
1097 [09:12:01] <AndreasLutro> dpkg -l | grep rxvt
1098 [09:12:01] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep rxvt
1099 [09:12:08] * AndreasLutro facepalm
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1103 [09:13:30] <michael2> AndreasLutro:
replaced-url
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1106 [09:13:52] <AndreasLutro> mm I have rxvt-unicode-256color,
maybe the xdefault variables are different
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1108 [09:14:32] <michael2> hmm. yeah `tput colors' tells me I
only have 88 colors
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1114 [09:15:52] <michael2> AndreasLutro: maybe thats the problem
all along? I need the 256 color package...
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1119 [09:17:10] <AndreasLutro> worth a shot! I don't know why
you wouldn't want 256 colors anyway
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1124 [09:18:28] <michael2> totally. Ok, Ive installed 256color
rxvt... trying now...
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1128 [09:18:56] <michael2> Ive got:
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1130 [09:18:57] <michael2>
1131 [09:18:59] <michael2>
1132 [09:19:01] <michael2>
1133 [09:19:03] <michael2>
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1140 [09:19:42] <michael2> sorry, dunno what happened
1141 [09:20:28] <AndreasLutro> you should get an irc client which
warns you if you try to paste more than 3 lines :)
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1143 [09:21:37] <michael2> it did warn me (im using weechat) I
dont know how many lines got copied to my clipboard - I thought it
was 2
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1158 [09:25:41] <michael2> hmm. even with 256color, Im not getting
the color im after. Does anyone know what color number `ls'
applies to directories? I thought it would be "4"? i.e.
blue?
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1161 [09:26:38] <juhop> $LS_COLORS might show it
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1173 [09:28:54] <AndreasLutro> you can `apt install colortest
&& colortest` :)
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1178 [09:30:34] <michael2> heres is my $dircolors -
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1179 [09:31:37] <michael2> di=01;34: ? so ls is using color4 for
directories?
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1196 [09:36:26] <crimson_king> On Arch Linux I used a file named
mkinitcpio.conf to set hooks. What is the equivalent in Debian?
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1199 [09:37:16] <crimson_king> nevermind, found online
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1215 [09:43:43] <crimson_king> Great! Debian already set the
"resume=/dev/mapper(...)" automatically. I'm checking
for hibernation support for this encrypted system
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1224 [09:49:03] <jolt> or run newgrp (to get a new shell in the
shell), depends on the usecase I guess
1225 [09:49:29] <theraspberry> hmm.. why is chromium in the
testing repo version 62?
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1228 [09:49:50] <petn-randall> ,v chromium
1229 [09:49:51] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1;
jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
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62.0.3202.89-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1;
stretch-security: 66.0.3359.117-1~deb9u1; sid: 66.0.3359.139-1
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1231 [09:50:15] <petn-randall> theraspberry: It hasn't
migrated from sid to testing yet.
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1233 [09:51:00] <theraspberry> but stable already has v66?
isn't that a bit backwards?
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1236 [09:51:45] <AndreasLutro> more effort gets put into keeping
stable up-to-date
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1238 [09:52:29] <petn-randall> theraspberry: No. That's how
testing development works. Packages get uploaded to sid, and they
then migrate to testing after 2-10 days, depending on urgency, and
as long as there are no RC bugs in the package or it's
dependency stopping it from migrating.
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1241 [09:53:41] <petn-randall> theraspberry: The package in stable
probably got uploaded due to security bugs.
1242 [09:54:45] <theraspberry> ok, the security update makes
sense. testing doesn't receive AFAIK?
1243 [09:54:58] <theraspberry> doesn't receive security
updates*
1244 [09:55:17] <petn-randall> !testing security
1245 [09:55:17] <dpkg> Security updates in testing are delayed by
the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing
dependencies, etc. See
replaced-url
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1247 [09:55:54] <theraspberry> thanks.
1248 [09:55:55] <petn-randall> theraspberry: All the get is
security updates through sid, which is what you need to consider if
you happen to run testing.
1249 [09:55:58] <petn-randall> !tum
1250 [09:55:59] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one
set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable
install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as
usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release:
set Preferences->Distribution.
1251 [09:56:11] <petn-randall> theraspberry: If you're
running testing, this might help. ^^^
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1258 [09:59:49] <theraspberry> thanks petn-randall, I'll give
it a shot now :)
1259 [09:59:52] <at0m> theraspberry: and for testing,
ircs://irc.oftc.net/debian-next
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1261 [10:00:15] <theraspberry> yeah, I do know that the testing
irc is over there, just asked in here as im not always connected to
oftc
1262 [10:00:29] <theraspberry> and It wasn't a specific
testing question ;)
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1265 [10:01:06] <at0m> just in case =)
1266 [10:01:25] <theraspberry> all good, thanks!
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1275 [10:05:27] <jim> hi, got a somewhat weird situation, guy
I'm talking to in tel aviv is doing an upgrade, right now from
wheezy to jessie, and his connection to the server he's
upgrading got terminated, maybe about 6 hours ago...but, when he
does ps aux | grep -v grep | grep apt, he's getting lots of
output
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1277 [10:06:04] <jim> we didn't put it under tmux, so he
can't reattach
1278 [10:06:22] <petn-randall> jim: Can you still log in?
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1281 [10:06:40] <jim> yep, he just did, to get that grep
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1283 [10:06:42] <petn-randall> jim: oh well, yes
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1285 [10:07:07] <petn-randall> jim: apt or one of the child
processes is probably waiting on feedback from the user.
1286 [10:07:34] <petn-randall> jim: I'd start tmux, kill the
processes (with SIGTERM, *not* SIGKILL), and continue the upgrade.
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1288 [10:08:00] <esainane> Surely that'd be SIGPIPE'd if
waiting for input from a closed source?
1289 [10:08:13] <jim> so... disaster partly... we do have a backup
from before he upgraded his current wheezy to latest wheezy
1290 [10:08:32] <jim> ok
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1292 [10:08:59] <petn-randall> jim: I don't see a disaster,
other than overrunning the maintainence window ;)
1293 [10:08:59] <jim> so kill -TERM (them)?
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1295 [10:09:29] <petn-randall> jim: `kill <pid>` is enough.
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1297 [10:10:12] <jim> I think this is the ps listing:
replaced-url
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1300 [10:10:54] <petn-randall> jim: That should be easy, it's
only two processes.
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1303 [10:11:30] <jim> ok, it must be in the middle of asking to
replace a file
1304 [10:11:48] <Lope> does anyone know why I can't verify
these SHA512sums? `gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS`
"Total number processed: 1 \n unchanged: 1" `gpg --verify
SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS` "gpg: Can't check signature:
public key not found"
1305 [10:12:17] <petn-randall> Lope: The error message is giving
you a hint.
1306 [10:13:23] <Lope> sorry I wrote my question wrong
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1308 [10:13:37] <Lope> does anyone know why I can't verify
these SHA512sums? `gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --send-keys
0x673A03E4C1DB921F` "Total number processed: 1 \n unchanged:
1" `gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS` "gpg:
Can't check signature: public key not found"
1309 [10:14:25] <Lope> Ah, geez sorry, pasted wrong thing again.
1310 [10:14:31] <jolt> Lope: Can't you just start with
recv-keys and get the key imported first?
1311 [10:14:35] <Lope> does anyone know why I can't verify
these SHA512sums? `gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys
0x673A03E4C1DB921F` "Total number processed: 1 \n unchanged:
1" `gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS` "gpg:
Can't check signature: public key not found"
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1313 [10:14:39] <petn-randall> Lope: What does the key you're
sending to the keyserver have to do with the error?
1314 [10:15:02] <Lope> okay, so I've already requested the
key, and it indicates it has the key already
1315 [10:15:08] <petn-randall> Lope: Full output of `gpg --verify
SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS` please.
1316 [10:15:33] <Lope> gpg: Signature made Fri 16 Mar 2018
22:50:55 SAST using RSA key ID 6294BE9B \n gpg: Can't check
signature: public key not found
1317 [10:16:07] <petn-randall> Lope: Try downloading that key
instead?
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1320 [10:16:34] <petn-randall> Lope: I'm also not sure why
your gpg output short key ids.
1321 [10:16:40] <petn-randall> *outputs
1322 [10:17:00] <Lope> I'm running ubuntu 16.04 if that makes
any diff?
1323 [10:17:10] <petn-randall> Lope: It does.
1324 [10:17:14] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
1325 [10:17:15] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1326 [10:17:20] <petn-randall> Lope: ^^^
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1330 [10:17:43] <Lope> yes, but surely it must be possible to
download some debian CD images on ubuntu and verify that they are
legit?
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1332 [10:18:10] <Lope> this is not exactly in depth debian stuff
1333 [10:18:36] <Lope> how does one install debian if one cannot
verify one has downloaded it?
1334 [10:19:12] <petn-randall> Lope:
replaced-url
1335 [10:19:51] <Lope> petn-randall: thanks, I've opened that
page, I got the recv-keys command from the sub link
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1338 [10:20:36] <Lope> oh, it looks like I'm supposed to
recv-keys on all of the keys listed on the above URL?
1339 [10:20:44] <petn-randall> Lope: That is an example, you still
have to use the right key ID.
1340 [10:21:27] <Lope> but how does 0x673A03E4C1DB921F (in the
example cmd) relate to the keys shown on that URL?
0x673A03E4C1DB921F
1341 [10:21:36] <petn-randall> Lope: It means you still need to
download the key matching to the signature, you can't just
download any key and verify it.
1342 [10:21:40] <Lope> (pasted same twice accidentally)
1343 [10:22:07] <jolt> Lope: you need the 6294BE9B for the
verification, not 0x673.. (and that is what GPG tells you)
1344 [10:22:07] <Lope> Ok, well I got the images from here:
replaced-url
1345 [10:22:21] <jim> petn-randall, that listing that had 2
processes... remember we grepped for apt... maybe back in wheezy
days, it uses dpkg to do the package installs and so there could be
dpkg processes
1346 [10:22:29] <petn-randall> Lope: gpg --keyserver
keyring.debian.org --recv-keys <keyid>
1347 [10:23:02] <Lope> Aah, I see.
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1349 [10:23:10] <petn-randall> Lope: key id can in this case be
'6294BE9B' (not recommended due to short length), or
'1046 0DAD 7616 5AD8 1FBC 0CE9 9880 21A9 64E6 EA7D'
1350 [10:23:12] <Lope> Ok i did recv-keys for that key, got it,
then it worked!
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1352 [10:23:42] <petn-randall> Lope: You should change the
settings to list long key ids, because there are already malicious
key collisions with the short key lengths.
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1354 [10:24:02] <Lope> petn-randall: thanks, sounds like a good
idea!
1355 [10:24:19] <petn-randall> Lope: You'd have to ask Ubuntu
how to change that, IIRC Debian has been using the long IDs for a
while now.
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1358 [10:26:35] <Lope> figured this out from the manual: gpg
--verify --keyid-format long SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS
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1360 [10:27:06] <Lope> I prefer to use commands that don't
depend on temperamental crap like whatever the flavour of the day
default config is.
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1364 [10:29:09] <engys> Hi, after upgrading to stretch I am not
able to use simple ssh key authentication to other systems
1365 [10:30:12] <engys> any idea what is the cause for this?
1366 [10:30:14] <Lope> thanks very much for your help petn-randall
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1383 [10:36:33] <Lope> engys: likely you relief on stuff in a key
manager or in a user ssh config. That's why I rather supply all
options and key info etc in the command options.
1384 [10:36:40] <jim> petn-randall, we successfully killed off the
upgrade process... should we do anything before rerunning
dist-upgrade? like: dpkg --configure --pending or apt-get -f
install?
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1389 [10:38:04] <Lope> engys: you'll likely need to show an
actual error message if you want help, because "unable"
doesn't give much clues.
1390 [10:38:38] <engys> I already exported the public keys on
Jessie before upgrading to Stretch and now I am not able to ssh from
the upgraded Stretch to Jessie anymore.. but if I ssh from Jessie to
the upgraded Stretch it works fine
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1392 [10:38:56] <Lope> engys: try using a command with a decent
amount of options in it for ssh to use like: `ssh myuser@hostname -p
1234 -i /foo/bar/key
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1396 [10:40:02] <Lope> engys: your setup is not clearly described
in my perception
1397 [10:40:02] <engys> Lope: there is no error it ask me for the
password what should not happen
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1399 [10:40:14] <Lope> engys: sshd_config has many options you may
have overlooked
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1401 [10:41:01] <Lope> engys: common stuff is allowing root or
not, and port number, the host key files, the number of key bits
perhaps also, allowing a password, etc.
1402 [10:41:10] <Lope> I've gtg, good luck
1403 [10:41:10] <engys> as long I can think of keys are in ~/.ssh
1404 [10:42:15] <Lope> keys can possibly have different names, and
you need to make sure your authorized_keys files have good
permisisons, and /root/.ssh or /home/personsname/.ssh/ have good
permissions
1405 [10:42:30] <Lope> and check your sshd_config file and the
host keys also
1406 [10:42:37] <Lope> bye
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1408 [10:42:44] <alkisg> engys: you could create a new user and
try from that account; this would tell you if the problem is a
system setting or user setting, to better know where to look
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1410 [10:43:43] <engys> alkisg: it worked on Jessie why it should
not work after upgrading to Stretch?
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1414 [10:46:43] <engys> that is no permission problem because I
did not try use another user with this keys
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1416 [10:47:03] <engys> *to use
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1418 [10:49:39] <petn-randall> engys: What?
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1421 [10:50:07] <petn-randall> engys: alkisg is suggesting your
create a new user and add the authorized_keys there so you can find
out if it's a user or a system problem.
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1424 [10:51:42] <engys> petn-randall: I will use my exsisting keys
I already created on jessie before I upgraded to stretch .. why I
should create a new user?
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1430 [10:54:33] <tiny> Hi. What's proper way of renaming
network interfaces in stretch? Used to be in udev rules
net-persistent names...
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1436 [10:56:52] <engys> petn-randall: even if I try to use ssh -i
<keyfile-name> it ask me for a password
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1438 [10:57:33] <jolt> engys: You can look at the output on the
server, usually there is wrong permissions on the server side
(.ssh/authorized_keys file)
1439 [10:57:34] <engys> petn-randall: .. I mean ssh <host>
-i <keyfile-name> it ask me for a password
1440 [10:57:57] <bezaban> yeah, verify 600 for authorized_keys and
700 for .ssh
1441 [10:58:00] <engys> jolt: i use the same user
1442 [10:58:04] <jolt> engys: did you copy your key with
ssh-copy-id?
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1445 [10:58:46] <bezaban> or like.. you know. read your logs
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1447 [10:59:46] <engys> jolt: no I cat id_dsa.pub >>
authorized_keys and as I said before it worked fine before upgrading
1448 [11:00:22] <bezaban> engys: well that would create the file
with the default umask. verify the permissions.
1449 [11:01:31] <engys> so Stretch changed from umask 022 ?
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1451 [11:02:11] <bezaban> engys: umask 022 won't give right
permissions for an authorized_keys file
1452 [11:02:15] <bezaban> this is not an upgrade problem
1453 [11:02:29] <bezaban> this is how ssh key auth has worked for
years and years
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1455 [11:03:35] <engys> bezaban: so ssh changed something? or did
I already got some meltdown spectre invasion
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1458 [11:04:01] <bezaban> engys: re-read the above lines. What is
happening has been explained to you.
1459 [11:04:19] <bezaban> it has nothing to do with meltdown or
any changes in ssh.
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1462 [11:04:28] <bezaban> you have the pieces. Have a good day.
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1464 [11:05:05] <engys> bezaban: ahh sry missed ur first line
because it does not get highlighted =)
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1474 [11:10:39] <taylan> is there a particular reason there's
no Openfire package in the debian repos?
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1476 [11:12:08] <jolt> engys: Ah, I ran in to that low lenght keys
were deprecated when I used RSA keys from my macbook to a debian
server, was a great time to upgrade to EC. But look at the logs on
the server
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1482 [11:16:43] <apollo13> taylan: because it is a bloated java
app? :D
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1489 [11:21:18] <engys> jolt: but I am using dsa
1490 [11:23:00] <BCMM> taylan: i notice openfire offer their own
.rpms and .debs
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1492 [11:23:50] <BCMM> taylan: it might be one of those huge
packages that just comes with a bunch of dependancies and
doesn't really care if it's difficult to package properly
1493 [11:24:04] <engys> engys: I see maybe that is the problem ..
from jessie to stretch I am using rsa
1494 [11:24:15] <BCMM> (then again, it might not be, and i might
be unfairly stereotyping enterprisey server-side java muck)
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1497 [11:25:30] <engys> jolt: ups .. I see maybe that is the
problem .. from jessie to stretch I am using rsa
1498 [11:25:54] <petn-randall> taylan: Probably just because
nobody packaged it for Debian yet.
1499 [11:27:15] <Meerkat> How do I get the rhythmbox source code
used by Debian? apt-get source rhythmbox only gives me this message
"NOTICE: 'rhythmbox' packaging is maintained in the
'Svn' version control system at:
svn://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-gnome/packages/unstable/rhythmbox/".
And SVN only downloads a couple of patches and install scripts.
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1505 [11:28:47] <petn-randall> Meerkat: Running that command gives
you the exact source that produced the binary package.
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1508 [11:29:16] <petn-randall> Meerkat: The NOTICE is only
relevant if you want to build from the devel branch or contribute to
the packaging efforts.
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1510 [11:29:54] <Meerkat> oh! yes, it DID download. Never mind
then. =) Thanks
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1518 [11:34:53] <engys> jolt: uhh yes that is the problem and
PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=+ssh-dss fixed it. I already forgot that I am
using old dsa keys on Jessie
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1522 [11:36:34] <engys> jolt: thanks for your hint! damn that is
the second time I make this mistake
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1530 [11:44:16] <tiny> Hi. What's proper way of renaming
network interfaces in stretch? Used to be in udev rules
net-persistent names...
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1532 [11:45:29] <tiny> I'd like a custom name, for example
instead of enp1s0, mynet etc..
1533 [11:45:31] <petn-randall> tiny: Why do you want to rename
them?
1534 [11:45:48] <petn-randall> tiny: The udev rules should still
work.
1535 [11:46:08] <tiny> why? Why not?
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1537 [11:46:44] <tiny> I have 8 NICs and I'd like to rename
them according to the system they're plugged in
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1540 [11:47:52] <tiny>
'/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules' <-- worked
great
1541 [11:48:03] <tiny> now it's gone
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1543 [11:48:57] <petn-randall> tiny: As I said, you can simply
create that file, it should still work.
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1546 [11:50:19] <tiny> I might be mistaking but
replaced-url
1547 [11:50:19] <tiny> be supported any more in Debian 10."
so I'd like a permanent solution.
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1596 [12:08:58] <fmneto> Hey everyone
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1598 [12:09:32] <fmneto> Why does my kernel complain about a file
called "rtl8723b_config.bin" if I installed the firmware
package?
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1604 [12:13:51] <jim> dselect?! be very glad you never had to use
-thet-
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1609 [12:14:18] <fmneto> What about dselect?
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1612 [12:14:47] <jim> dselect was before apt-get and I have to
tell you , I hated it
1613 [12:14:47] <dselect> jim: are you using Windows?
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1616 [12:15:14] <fmneto> Ohh I remember dselect. It wasn't so
bad. It wasn't very good either.
1617 [12:15:35] <jim> dselect, noo, I bore giant holes in my walls
1618 [12:15:35] <dselect> wish i knew, jim
1619 [12:16:13] <jim> an info bot
1620 [12:16:30] <fmneto> Oookay... this conversation is getting a
little too surreal for me
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1664 [12:42:04] <jim> what's the latest point release jessie
got to?
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1726 [13:06:48] <eugenmayer1> any hints why e.g. `dig @1.2.3.4
-time=3 -tries=2` fails with `no connection` but `dig @1.2.3.4
-time=3 -tries=2
replaced-url
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1729 [13:08:18] <jelly> eugenmayer1: what is the exact command
line that fails?
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1731 [13:08:29] <eugenmayer1> dig @10.10.10.2 +tries=2 +time=3
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1733 [13:08:44] <eugenmayer1> interestingly using that server to
resolve works
1734 [13:09:01] <eugenmayer1> dig @10.10.10.2 +tries=2 +time=3
google.com -> will work
1735 [13:09:12] <jelly> but it does not answer the default query
for root (".")?
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1737 [13:09:43] <eugenmayer1> yes, interestingly not just not
answer but this way:
replaced-url
1738 [13:10:08] <jelly> because dig qith no quesry seems to be
equivalent for "dig . NS"
1739 [13:10:10] <eugenmayer1> so "connection time out".
That is very odd to me or i simply do not understand
1740 [13:10:38] <Sepultura> Do I read it correctly: Video games in
the form of computer programs embodied in physical or downloaded
formats that have been lawfully acquired as complete games, when the
copyright owner or its authorized representative has ceased to
provide access to an external computer server necessary to
facilitate an authentication process to enable local gameplay,
<-- if a authorization server goes down for eternity?
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1742 [13:11:08] <eugenmayer1> just tried that on a different
server where `dig @10.10.10.2 +tries=2 +time=3` is working, and `dig
@10.10.10.2 +tries=2 +time=3 . NS` had the exact same result
1743 [13:11:16] <eugenmayer1> jelly: ^^
1744 [13:11:26] <eugenmayer1> so you are right, . NS is the
default
1745 [13:11:52] <eugenmayer1> maybe: dig @10.10.10.2 +tries=2
+time=3 . A
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1747 [13:12:26] <eugenmayer1> could be a more
"bulletproof" way of given the statement: i could reach
that DNS server and it is answering ( because that is what i am
trying to do)_
1748 [13:12:50] <eugenmayer1> maybe some windows DC dns settings
restrict NS lookups ( idnk )
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1764 [13:23:32] <eugenmayer1> jelly++ thank you a lot.
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1766 [13:24:13] <eugenmayer1> jelly: one last question, i was
skimming the man page for the exact same information, that means,
what does `dig @… ` without paramers mean, i could not find
it. Is it on the man page?
1767 [13:26:21] <jim> how do you find out what's the latest
point release jessie got to?
1768 [13:27:45] <cmm11> jim: say's on the homepage of the
debian website, under news
1769 [13:27:57] <cmm11> oh wait jessie
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1772 [13:28:14] <jim> oldstable, yeah
1773 [13:28:34] <jim> I'm suspecting it got to 8.10
1774 [13:28:39] <cmm11>
replaced-url
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1776 [13:28:45] <cmm11> correct
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1783 [13:33:40] <jelly> eugenmayer1: no idea. I did not even know
it had a defualt query befure yesterday
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1785 [13:34:24] <eugenmayer1> jelly: ok :) You helped me a lot, i
changed to . A and the server seem to always answers
1786 [13:34:37] <eugenmayer1> why ever, some people restrict NS
type queries
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1788 [13:36:15] <jim> eugenmayer1, there are ways of poking at a
nameserver
1789 [13:36:38] <eugenmayer1> i guess so. Ways i do not know :)
1790 [13:36:49] <jim> metoo
1791 [13:37:10] <eugenmayer1> sorry but that word is taken! :)
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1795 [13:37:59] <kre10s> Hello. When I run apt-get upgrade I see
that several packages are being held back. I would like to know why.
is there a command i can use to get more information?
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1797 [13:38:13] <abrotman> dpkg: tell kre10s about held back
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1799 [13:39:13] <jim> cmm11, thanks
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1806 [13:50:01] <setraX> if I want to access a smb printshare on
windows I get Session setup failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED"
1807 [13:51:26] <setraX> I have debian stretch 9.4
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1812 [13:52:58] <setraX> I have no Ideas where to start, since I
went through google solutions
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1814 [13:53:54] <jolt> setraX: Did you add a smb password to the
user with smbpasswd -a <user>?
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1816 [13:54:15] <setraX> I do not own the
smb://serveraddress/printqueue
1817 [13:54:20] <jolt> setraX: (smb passwords are different from
login passwords)
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1820 [13:55:06] <setraX> It works from windows, with a username
and password, but I'm not asked for password or username
1821 [13:55:15] <setraX> on my debian machine
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1825 [13:56:24] <jolt> setraX: Sorry, that's as far as my smb
knowledge goes
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1828 [13:56:58] <setraX> jolt, thx anyways
1829 [13:56:59] <jolt> setraX: Wait a minute, you are trying to
print via smb to a windows computer?
1830 [13:57:06] <setraX> Yes
1831 [13:57:10] <jolt> I got that backward and upside down
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1833 [13:57:23] <setraX> :-) maybe hope..
1834 [13:57:28] <jolt> You need to configure CUPS to add your
printer:
replaced-url
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1836 [13:57:37] <setraX> Did that...
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1844 [13:59:11] <jolt> setraX: Then, try to connect with the share
to see if your user/pw works (smbclient), and then you probably need
to look at the CUPS logs to see if there is any errors on the client
side
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1846 [13:59:48] <jolt> setraX: I think I used
replaced-url
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1849 [14:00:25] <jelly> eugenmayer1: fwiw our $work AD DC (still
2008R2, I think) readily respond to that default query
1850 [14:00:52] <eugenmayer1> jelly: well i tested on the very
same, also r2, failed
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1852 [14:01:27] <eugenmayer1> jelly: but i tested on a other 08r2,
did not fail, and for a lot others ( all others? ) it also did not.
But well, i am fine with . A
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1858 [14:03:41] <setraX> jolt, I connected with smbclient -L IP -U
user and got that
replaced-url
1859 [14:04:41] <jelly> eugenmayer1: but I have kdig installed
right now (knot-dnsutils) and /usr/bin/dig is pointing to that,
lemme reinstall the ISC one
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1861 [14:05:31] <setraX> jolt, sorry ... here
replaced-url
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1877 [14:21:22] <noob> Hi, I am trying to create a debian package
and I have a requirement to install lxml module which is a python
module and I have specified that in my setup.py. Which is dependent
on certain libraries like libxml2-dev and libxslt1-dev, I wan tthese
libraries to get installed on a my setup while building the package.
To do so I mentioned the libraries in control file as well, that
didn't seem to help either here is what my control file loo
1878 [14:21:25] <noob>
replaced-url
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1880 [14:21:51] <noob> Is there something I am doing wrong
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1904 [14:42:10] <Yo[w]> Hi after installing debian i always get
errors at the init boot process... it s not clean and i do not
understand why we have this is kind of message?
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1915 [14:46:34] <mahe> is there any service that is able to kill
programs automatically when RAM gets full to prevent system freeze?
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1920 [14:49:47] <taylan> mahe: that's what normally happens
to programs when they fail to allocate memory: they crash. what
causes freezes is usually the swapping mechanism, where the OS
begins to use the hard drive as backup RAM, so to say. still an
interesting question though; e.g. would be great if you could say
"instead of beginning to swap like crazy, just kill
Firefox"
1921 [14:50:46] <taylan> because once programs that are actively
running begin to use swap (and not just inactive programs), the
system gets too slow to use effectively, even though it never
*really* freezes completely (I think?)
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1925 [14:52:21] <micw> Hi
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1927 [14:52:48] <micw> Seems that ZFS on stretch (backport kernel)
is broken again:
replaced-url
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1929 [14:52:49] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1933 [14:53:40] <micw> I have the impression that every single
kernel upgrade in the last year broke zfs on debian :-(
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1935 [14:54:09] <taylan> mahe: possibly watchdog(8) can be
configured to meet this need
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1940 [14:56:18] <petn-randall> Yo[w]: What errors? Please provide
logs or a screenshot.
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1948 [14:57:57] <mahe> I had two occasions recently where both my
RAM and swap got full and then the system was almost frozen.
Spawning new programs or calling my application launcher was
impossible (they couldn't allocate memory) - I could only
switch to tty1 after minutes of waiting and slowly enter kill
commands to get control back. Would be nice to have offending
applications (using the most RAM) automatically killed when RAM is
above a specific threshold.
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1951 [15:00:14] <taylan> mahe: with the combination of a custom
check for available memory (or maybe the default config can already
do that) and a "repair" program to be triggered, it sounds
like watchdog should be able to do what you want:
replaced-url
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1954 [15:02:56] <taylan> mahe: looks like it can't
distinguish between RAM and swap memory, but if you set the
"minimum free memory" to almost the size of swap, I
suppose it might work. or just use a custom "test" program
(like a shell script).
1955 [15:03:09] <taylan> don't forget to enable realtime so
watchdog itself isn't swapped out
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1959 [15:04:02] <mahe> taylan, thank you very much for the input!
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1964 [15:06:20] <mahe> taylan, are you referring to a realtime
patched kernel?
1965 [15:06:44] <petn-randall> mahe: You're looking for
configuring the OOM-killer, but more importantly properly
configuring memory overcommit:
replaced-url
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1969 [15:09:19] <mahe> petn-randall, thank you for the input. Is
the OOM-killer part of the kernel?
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1975 [15:10:59] <taylan> the linked manpage mentions you can set
the watchdog real-time by changing the config. dunno if this needs a
special kernel config.
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1979 [15:13:23] <petn-randall> mahe: yes.
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1997 [15:25:06] <mahe> currently my system is set to
vm.overcommit_memory=0 (heuristic approach), should I set
vm.overcommit_memory=2 and configure vm.overcommit_ratio (to e.g.
90% or 95%) in order to force the OOM-Killer above this usage
threshold?
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2003 [15:31:35] <petn-randall> mahe: If you disable
overcommitting, the kernel will deny any malloc() attempts of
programs. The OOM-Killer will never fire.
2004 [15:32:22] <petn-randall> mahe: disabling overcommit only
makes sense if you have only VMs running on that machine. Otherwise
RAM will be wasted.
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2007 [15:33:18] <mahe> petn-randall, okay. Thanks for the
explanation. I will refrain from disabling it I guess :)
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2013 [15:36:21] <petn-randall> mahe: You *can* disable
overcommitting, but especially Java and PHP programs don't go
well with it in my experience, because they allocate lots of memory
without using it. In that case heuristic overcommitting works
better.
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2016 [15:38:26] <coffforcake> hello,is there a specific reason why
mac-spoofing is not possible in debian 9 anymore?
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2020 [15:41:27] <petn-randall> coffforcake: it still is?
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2023 [15:43:56] <coffforcake> i dont use debian 9 very often ,but
last time i tried id didnt work..
2024 [15:44:18] <coffforcake> did you tried it recently ?
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2063 [15:59:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> allright somebody coup to it...
2064 [15:59:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> who started this shit? This is
known as Predictable Network Interface naming and is part of
systemd, to which Ubuntu has been transitioning as of version 15.04.
2065 [16:00:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> its in Debian stable know....
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2068 [16:00:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> i had to login locally on my
boxes.. you know how many cobwebs i had to crawl through to get to
it?
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2070 [16:00:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> spiders the size of your hands!
2071 [16:00:54] <greycat> What's the problem?
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2073 [16:01:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> well i was upgrading and systemd
changed my interface names to eno1 eno2 from eth01 to eth02..
2074 [16:01:42] <greycat> I mean, other than the cobwebs. If your
servers are being kept in those conditions, you probably have
massive dust buildup, and they could use a vacuuming.
2075 [16:01:59] <greycat> systemd does not change interface names
on an upgrade from jessie to stretch.
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2077 [16:02:17] <greycat> If your system was originally jessie or
older, your existing interface names will remain untouched.
2078 [16:03:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> i was unhuh
2079 [16:03:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> it did not
2080 [16:04:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> i had to change the interfaces file
to eno1 eno2
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2082 [16:04:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> first install did not that either
which was odd.
2083 [16:04:50] <greycat> You also quoted something that mentioned
Ubuntu versioning. If you're not running Debian, all bets are
off.
2084 [16:05:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am running debian,
2085 [16:05:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> just happen to find something that
said the big U usees it too
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2089 [16:06:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> was odd but me fixed it
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2095 [16:07:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> seems like a nice thing to have
anyways,
2096 [16:08:30] <greycat> If you want the Debian notes on
predictable interface names:
replaced-url
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2108 [16:15:42] <Emil> Hey anyone know how to compile xbill with
support for alternative guis
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2113 [16:18:14] <jelly> xbill the silly game?
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2118 [16:21:27] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: Predictable interface
names are not enabled on upgrades. I've upgraded about a dozen
machines, none of them have what you described.
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2122 [16:23:29] <greycat> Maybe the spiders did it.
2123 [16:23:43] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: It sounds more like
you read something outragous on Facebook, and now have to spread it
here. If not, please provide logs to debug the issue (assuming you
want it fixed).
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2125 [16:23:53] <petn-randall> If not, rants > /dev/null
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2145 [16:32:58] <angry_route> Hi guys! What would be the best
method to detect missing firmware? I know that during kernel updates
I get a package list, but is there a way to find out?
2146 [16:33:22] <greycat> angry_route: I use "dmesg | grep -i
firmware" but I will admit this is not 100% foolproof
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2148 [16:34:02] <angry_route> Thanks! It's a start :)
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2184 [16:58:02] <RoyK> greycat: dmesg just reads the circular log
buffer in kernel - the logs, such as /var/log/kern.log may be better
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2187 [16:58:39] <greycat> True, but I tend to do my firmware
checking during the installation, when dmesg is young and small.
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2196 [17:02:34] <james1138> Greycat... I read the tip about
firmware. Cool! But, when I type it into root terminal - nothing
happened for me. Do that mean it did not work or that I am missing
no firmware?
2197 [17:03:00] <greycat> see RoyK's answer if this system
has been running a long time
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2202 [17:04:16] <james1138> My system less than a month.
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2204 [17:05:34] <greycat> That's more than long enough for
the original kernel messages to have cycled out of the dmesg buffer.
So check /var/log/kern.log.* instead.
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2216 [17:09:14] <rek> hi world i'd like to have and advice to
install gcc 5 on my debian stretch installation
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2219 [17:09:47] <rek> or i'll add a jessie repo to do that
and dirt my distro
2220 [17:10:00] <greycat> jessie has 4.9.2
2221 [17:10:14] <rek> which one has 5 ?
2222 [17:10:17] <greycat> None.
2223 [17:10:22] <greycat> stretch has 6.3.0
2224 [17:10:37] <rek> i need that to use cuda toolkit
2225 [17:11:31] <rek>
replaced-url
2226 [17:11:40] <rek> can i add this repo?
2227 [17:11:57] <greycat> No, not a binary sid repo.
2228 [17:12:03] <greycat> That would break everything.
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2231 [17:12:25] <rek> some files only?
2232 [17:12:36] <greycat> ,checkbackport gcc-5
2233 [17:12:44] <judd> Backporting package gcc-5 in
sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: gnat-5:native [!m32r !sh3 !sh3eb !sh4eb !powerpcspe
!mips64 !x32], g++-5:native, libisl-0.18-dev, g++-5-x86-64-linux-gnu
[amd64] <cross>, gobjc-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64]
<cross>, gfortran-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>,
gcj-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>, gdc-5-x86-64-linux-gnu
[amd64] <cross>,
2234 [17:12:45] <judd> gccgo-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64]
<cross>, gnat-5-x86-64-linux-gnu [amd64] <cross>.
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2236 [17:13:07] <greycat> Looks bad. You should probably just
build vanilla upstream GCC sources instead.
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2239 [17:13:38] <rek> are that alternatives the ones judd listed?
2240 [17:14:02] <greycat> Just go to gnu.org and get their source
and build it into /usr/local following THEIR directions, and do NOT
touch a .deb file at all.
2241 [17:14:12] <nkuttler> bootstrapping gcc shouldn't be too
hard
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2243 [17:14:23] <greycat> It is a bit tedious and boring (in the
best case).
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2251 [17:16:59] <james1138> Uhmm.... the kern.log says 551.4 MB!
Is it supposed to be that big?!
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2253 [17:17:52] <greycat> That is highly unusual.
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2264 [17:23:06] <james1138> Could it be because I updated my
kernel?
2265 [17:23:09] <rek> having a look on configuring gcc 5.2.0
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2267 [17:23:32] <greycat> james1138: well, read it and see what it
says...
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2269 [17:24:50] <james1138> Last entry... May 9 11:14:41 Thor
kernel: [ 8850.969370] evbug: Event. Dev: input6, Type: 0, Code: 0,
Value: 0
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2273 [17:26:28] <james1138> May 9 11:14:41 Thor kernel: [
8850.969368] evbug: Event. Dev: input6, Type: 1, Code: 272, Value: 0
2274 [17:26:39] <james1138> May 9 11:14:41 Thor kernel: [
8850.969366] evbug: Event. Dev: input6, Type: 4, Code: 4, Value:
589825
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2277 [17:27:04] <james1138> May 9 11:14:41 Thor kernel: [
8850.945365] evbug: Event. Dev: input6, Type: 2, Code: 1, Value: 1
2278 [17:27:40] <greycat> I thought you said you'd been
running for a month, but apparently only 8850 seconds or so.
2279 [17:28:05] <james1138> I do not know what any of this means.
Sorry all. Grandpa is scratching head and drinking coffee.
2280 [17:28:10] <webchat178> Hi, i should have a openvpn server
listening on a port but i cant connect into it and i dont see the
port opened.... I've tried opening it from iptables but i cant
see it.........
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2282 [17:28:17] <webchat178> what can i do?
2283 [17:28:34] <james1138> What!! 8850 seconds and half a gig in
size?!
2284 [17:28:51] <greycat> james1138: definitely a bad sign, yeah.
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2286 [17:29:08] <james1138> Is it logging everything?
2287 [17:29:26] <greycat> It's logging whatever the kernel
and its driver modules decide is worth enough to write a message
about.
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2291 [17:30:32] <james1138> Ok. <grrrr> How do I turn off
the logging please?
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2293 [17:31:14] <greycat> ... reboot into a kernel that
doesn't have these problems?
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2299 [17:33:14] <james1138> I am using 4.9.98 kernel. Any
suggestions on what kernel to go back to if not possible to turn off
logging?
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2304 [17:33:39] <greycat> The default stretch 4.9.x kernel would
be my pick.
2305 [17:33:40] <rek> a lot of prerequisites here that's a
lot of work
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2308 [17:34:09] <k_sze> Just me or the non-free
nvidia-cuda-toolkit 8.0.44 in Debian Stretch is largely unusable?
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2313 [17:34:55] <k_sze> The nvcc in CUDA toolkit 8.0 doesn't
support GCC 6.3.0, which is the default gcc in Debian Stretch.
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2328 [17:41:04] <rek> which is the C standard library package in
debian stretch ?
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2332 [17:41:39] <abrotman> rek: are you trying to compile
something?
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2339 [17:44:08] <rek> abrotman, thay told me to compile gcc 5
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2341 [17:45:14] <greycat> The X in this X-Y seems to have
something to do with nvidia drivers.
2342 [17:45:18] <greycat> That's all we know so far.
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2346 [17:46:54] <james1138> Okay. I deleted the kern.log and
Google search gave me sudo systemctl disable rsyslog.service - to
hopefully stop futher attempts.
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2348 [17:47:54] <greycat> WHHHHAAAAAT
2349 [17:47:55] <greycat> NO
2350 [17:47:59] <greycat> BAD USER
2351 [17:48:09] <greycat> TURNING OFF RSYSLOG IS NOT THE WAY
FORWARD
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2356 [17:49:14] <greycat> "I built a custom kernel
that's only 0.0.6 notches higher than the kernel Debian gave me
for free, and it's got bugs, and it's logging about bugs,
and I don't want to research them or fix them or go back to the
0.0.6 points older kernel, so I will simply disable ALL LOGGING IN
THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG"
2357 [17:50:21] <james1138> Ok. I shall start it again
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2363 [17:56:13] <jhutchins_wk> webchat178: Is the vpn service
running?
2364 [17:56:34] <webchat178> jhutchins_wk: yes
2365 [17:56:58] <jhutchins_wk> webchat178: Unless you have set up
an iptables firewall, you should not need to do anything to
"open" the port.
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2367 [17:58:03] <jhutchins_wk> webchat178: Does netstat show it
listening?
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2369 [17:58:18] <webchat178> jhutchins_wk: no
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2373 [17:59:26] <webchat178> I'm a fking idiot. I've
flushed the iptables rules w/o stoping the firewall
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2380 [18:01:21] <Kelsar> and default were drop i guess ^^
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2400 [18:09:32] <annadane> james1138, for future reference,
"google told me" = bad
2401 [18:09:41] <annadane> the internet can be wrong
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2407 [18:11:16] <jelly> this irc channel is internet.
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2410 [18:12:09] <rek> i configured gcc guys
2411 [18:12:50] <jelly> annadane: and technically the internet
wasn't wrong there. Killing every living thing in the household
with cyanide gas will also get rid of the rats!
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2415 [18:13:23] <james1138> <frown> I switched from Ubuntu
to Debian for stability as well as speed. So.. I bow my bald head in
shame and make a general cry for help to everyone. I am using 9.4
stretch but cannot spend every day fearing my hard drive gets full.
Can I maybe make the Kern.log read-only??
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2417 [18:14:12] <mutante> how is "harddrive full" and
"speed" even related to distro choice, heh
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2420 [18:14:50] <jelly> james1138: for a start see if tuning
kernel verbosity quiets the relevant lines
2421 [18:14:53] <james1138> Sorry Mutante. I am blathering a
little.
2422 [18:14:53] <jelly> !printk
2423 [18:14:53] <dpkg> methinks printk is see docs for
<sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or
so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See
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2425 [18:15:20] <jelly> or be more precise and configure rsyslog
to not log exactly those evbug lines.
2426 [18:15:21] <rek> native compiler or cross compiler? it's
the same for me
2427 [18:15:23] <mutante> james1138: you can use logrotate to make
sure logs dont get too large
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2429 [18:15:36] <jelly> logrotate only runs once a day
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2431 [18:15:47] <mutante> so you change the cron job?
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2434 [18:16:19] <mutante> but if you dont have enough disk space
to last a single day of regular logs... you should focus on getting
more disk space i would say
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2436 [18:16:21] <jelly> logrotate has a status file and code that
assumes you're only going to run it once day and not more often
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2438 [18:16:35] <jhutchins_wk> james1138: For a normal system
logging is quite normal and handled pretty well by the defaults.
Logrotate keeps everything in /var/log/ under control; journalctl
defaults to I think 10% of the /var/log/ volume.
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2440 [18:17:07] <jhutchins_wk> james1138: Unless you have
something drastically wrong with the system, dmesg shouldn't
grow to an unreasonable size between boots.
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2442 [18:17:24] <james1138> I have a 500 gig SSD but if I am
creating half-gig files in less than 3 hrs...
2443 [18:17:43] <rek> when will i specify i'll build gcc into
/usr/local ?
2444 [18:17:44] <meltingwax> if i install debian with a software
multi-drive setup, can i boot from any of the disks or just the
first one? i installed this way before and wanted the former but it
didn't work (probably my fault)
2445 [18:17:48] <mutante> that's not normal, you can run a
system on 10G
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2447 [18:18:05] <jhutchins_wk> james1138: dmesg is mostly active
at boot, so an initial burst then it quiets down.
2448 [18:18:09] <rek> greycat,
2449 [18:18:29] <mutante> james1138: what is inside the log that
grows _that_ much? that's not normal
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2456 [18:20:26] <jhutchins_wk> Why are you doing this?
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2461 [18:21:34] <james1138> let me reboot and look at the log
since I deleted it. Back in a few moments please.
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2477 [18:26:17] <Ast001> Hello why are buttons on my Firefox on
Debian 8 Gnome so ugly with so big padding like this
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2479 [18:27:08] <jhutchins_wk> rek: Why are you doing this again?
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2482 [18:29:18] <jhutchins_wk> meltingwax: What do you mean by
multi-drive?
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2484 [18:29:33] <meltingwax> jhutchins_wk: RAID
2485 [18:29:40] <meltingwax> jhutchins_wk: as in /dev/md0, mdadm
2486 [18:30:29] <jhutchins_wk> meltingwax: I believe that what you
can do is install grub on the root of each drive. I'm not
entirely sure of the process.
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2488 [18:30:46] <meltingwax> jhutchins_wk: interesting, thanks
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2490 [18:31:02] <meltingwax> i will have to experiment
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2492 [18:31:32] <jhutchins_wk> meltingwax: There is good
documentation out there.
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2494 [18:31:34] <jhutchins_wk> !raid
2495 [18:31:34] <dpkg> Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID)
is a system of multiple hard drives for sharing or replicating data.
Ask me about RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>,
<megaraid>, <raid-resizing>, <rocketraid>.
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2496 [18:31:58] <rek> what?
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2500 [18:32:10] <rek> i want to build gcc 5
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2502 [18:32:35] <jhutchins_wk> rek: Why? Why not use a .deb?
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2504 [18:33:07] <james1138> I am back. The kern.log is about 3
megs. I managed to copy it to home folder if anyone is interested in
taking a look.
2505 [18:33:18] <rek> no .deb exist
2506 [18:33:32] <abrotman> rek: did you insatll build-essential?
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2509 [18:34:21] <jhutchins_wk>
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2510 [18:34:25] <Rembo> hello, i'm getting this:
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2511 [18:34:29] <jhutchins_wk> rek: Sure there is.
2512 [18:34:34] <greycat> gcc-5 is in sid only.
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2514 [18:34:47] <greycat> I already did a ,checkbackport gcc-5 and
it said "nope"
2515 [18:34:50] <meltingwax> thanks jhutchins_wk
2516 [18:34:51] <abrotman> I can't imagine that'd be
much fun to attempt to backport it
2517 [18:35:08] <Rembo> wget
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2518 [18:35:13] <greycat> I don't know what the fuck a CUDA
is or why he wants it or why he thinks he needs gcc-5 (not gcc 6.3)
to have it.
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2520 [18:35:41] <Igel_> >_<
2521 [18:35:43] <abrotman> greycat: MPI-ish things for video cards
2522 [18:36:00] <abrotman> nvidia-only video cards
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2524 [18:36:10] <greycat> abrotman: does it have anything to do
with cryptocurrency farming?
2525 [18:36:15] <abrotman> Yes
2526 [18:36:20] <abrotman> maybe not in this context, but it can
2527 [18:37:25] <Rembo> can someone help?
2528 [18:38:03] <jhutchins_wk> Rembo: Your using an obsolete ssl
suite that is defaulting to protocols that have been disabled by
almost all public sites for security reasons.
2529 [18:38:14] <webchat178> Hello again guys (I'm the guy
that flushed iptables rules earlier) I've setted iptables to
accept all connections but i cant see the openvpn port being
listened
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2531 [18:38:42] <mutante> if you accept ALL then it probably doent
have to list a port??
2532 [18:38:51] <jhutchins_wk> webchat178: If the service is
running successfully, perhaps you haven't configured it
properly.
2533 [18:38:53] <mutante> and says "any" instead
2534 [18:39:18] <webchat178> jhutchins_wk: I use a script that
does it step by step
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2538 [18:39:45] <jhutchins_wk> webchat178: Where did you get the
script?
2539 [18:39:56] <jhutchins_wk> !openvpn
2540 [18:39:56] <dpkg> OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can
securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for
Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to
<interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in
configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8
"Jessie" users: see
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2545 [18:41:11] <jhutchins_wk> ,v openvpn
2546 [18:41:13] <judd> Package: openvpn on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u5; wheezy-backports:
2.3.2-7~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-security:
2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1~bpo8+1;
stretch-security: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1; stretch: 2.4.0-6+deb9u2;
stretch-backports: 2.4.4-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.5-1; sid: 2.4.5-1
2547 [18:41:25] <Igel_> ,v cjdns
2548 [18:41:25] <jhutchins_wk> ,v gcc-5
2549 [18:41:26] <judd> No package named 'cjdns' was
found in amd64.
2550 [18:41:27] <judd> Package: gcc-5 on amd64 -- sid: 5.5.0-12
2551 [18:41:31] <Igel_> lame+
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2557 [18:44:12] <webchat178> jhutchins_wk: its PiVPN
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2559 [18:45:13] <jhutchins_wk> webchat178: So not a Debian
package, not something we should be expected to support.
2560 [18:45:28] <Rembo> jhutchins_wk: can you please help to solve
this?
2561 [18:45:51] <jhutchins_wk> Rembo: Your using an obsolete ssl
suite that is defaulting to protocols that have been disabled by
almost all public sites for security reasons.
2562 [18:46:36] <jhutchins_wk> Rembo: It's likely you
aren't going to be able to get wget to work with that old an
istallation. You could download the package on a different machine
and transfer it.
2563 [18:47:03] <jhutchins_wk> Rembo: You should consider
upgrading, you're five releases back.
2564 [18:47:08] <Rembo> jhutchins_wk: i cannot upgrade
2565 [18:47:27] <Rembo> if i download wget from an newer debian
version it will work?
2566 [18:47:50] <jhutchins_wk> Rembo: Probably not. Mixing
releases usually results in an unusable system.
2567 [18:47:59] <Igel_> it probably will
2568 [18:48:18] <jhutchins_wk> Rembo: Besides, it's really
openssl that provides the protocols.
2569 [18:48:18] <Igel_> if you use -s , it will do simulation mode
(not really install)
2570 [18:48:43] <Igel_> you can see, like jhutchins_wk is saying,
any new packages that need upgraded, like openssl
2571 [18:49:02] <hypn0> 5 versions is around a decade old :-/
2572 [18:49:06] <Igel_> sometimes you can tell how dramatic the
changes is
2573 [18:49:10] <jhutchins_wk> Igel_: He's on 5.x.
2574 [18:49:28] <Ast001> How to change default theme in gnome
dconf ?
2575 [18:49:44] <Igel_> i would just download the wget sourcecode,
and build it
2576 [18:49:58] <jhutchins_wk> Igel_: wget is not the problem.
2577 [18:50:14] <Igel_> the dependencies, yes, build everything
2578 [18:50:35] <hypn0> I would get a drive and back everything
up, then install 9.x :-)
2579 [18:50:46] <Igel_> 5.x is quite limiting..
2580 [18:50:51] <Igel_> yeah
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2583 [18:51:29] <Igel_> limiting in terms of new tech, limited by
kernel etc..
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2589 [18:52:10] <Igel_> eg; if you -really- needed wget asap, you
could just get/build with some docker stuff..
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2591 [18:52:36] <hypn0> or use a live version :-/
2592 [18:52:40] <Igel_> ah true
2593 [18:53:02] <Igel_> great thing is, you're in debian =)
2594 [18:53:24] <jhutchins_wk> Like I said, download the file on
another system and transfer it.
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2637 [19:15:03] <rek> i need lib isl different from 15 to compile
gcc 5
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2639 [19:15:21] <rek> is there libisl 14 for stretch?
2640 [19:15:26] <greycat> Would it be easier to set up a sid
chroot and do your gcc-5/CUDA stuff there?
2641 [19:15:43] <greycat> !debootstrap
2642 [19:15:43] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian
system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a
<chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a
Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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2646 [19:16:41] <rek> this must be advanced stuff...sounds
creamy... i don't know
2647 [19:17:00] <greycat> It's gotta be a hell of a lot
easier than what you're trying to do now.
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2670 [19:26:21] <Matt```> so I got a NUC, it seems if I boot it
with no display turned on, when I turn the display on I get "no
signal"
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2678 [19:29:00] <NetTerminalGene> i use wayland on debian 8. would
it cause data corrupt or something? or i will encounter with visual
bugs?
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2680 [19:31:01] <jhutchins_wk> !wayland
2681 [19:31:01] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and
implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X
Window System. Ask me about <weston>.
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2685 [19:31:44] <jhutchins_wk> NetTerminalGene: It will chase the
neighbor's kids down the street with your snowblower!!!
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2687 [19:32:24] <greycat> I don't really see the value in
running some bleeding-edge WIP display system on oldstable.
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2690 [19:33:09] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins_wk, i am serious!
>.<
2691 [19:33:21] <greycat> especially given the huge changes in
video drivers in current stable
2692 [19:33:45] <NetTerminalGene> animations more smooth with
wayland
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2694 [19:34:12] <NetTerminalGene> and now firefox 60 supports
disabling titlebar :D
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2697 [19:34:35] <greycat> but why *jessie*
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2699 [19:34:57] <NetTerminalGene> what?
2700 [19:35:10] <greycat> 13:29 NetTerminalGene> i use wayland
on debian 8.
2701 [19:35:20] <jhutchins_wk> NetTerminalGene: If we could
predict all possible bugs and errors we'd be rich, but usually
normal packages are not expected to cause data loss.
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2704 [19:35:45] <jhutchins_wk> NetTerminalGene: Then again,
anything you don't have a reliable, tested, restorable backup
of is not really yours anyway.
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2708 [19:36:37] <shtrb> hi greycat, is there any chance you
remember how you solved the I217 ethenet (e1000e) in jessy not
working after rebooting from Windows but working when doing full
shutdown ?
2709 [19:36:45] <hypn0> why do you need a 3d gui :-/
2710 [19:36:50] <shtrb> I remember you had some workaround, but I
can't find it a ywhere
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2712 [19:38:09] <NetTerminalGene> greycat, because i use debian 8?
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2714 [19:38:32] <NetTerminalGene> and it has wayland option
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2717 [19:39:09] <hypn0> surely you use programs not the os :-/
with 3d
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2735 [19:49:57] <ecnahc602> !
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2762 [20:02:56] <shtrb> greycat, ?
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2765 [20:07:16] <Psi-Jack> Man. That silent little
_systemd_is_evil is just everywhere. Why? LOL
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2769 [20:08:37] <shtrb> Psi-Jack, #d-o
2770 [20:08:50] <Psi-Jack> #d-o?
2771 [20:08:58] <shtrb> !offtopic
2772 [20:08:58] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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2775 [20:10:00] <Psi-Jack> I'd think -ops would be more
appropriate, on that matter...
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2778 [20:10:40] <shtrb> I don't see how , it's enough to
ask in a different place (but that is offtopic)
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2810 [20:30:16] <rek> at the end of the game i must tell the sys
to use gcc 5 in ubuntu i used to do that with update alternatives i
don't remember
2811 [20:30:41] <greycat> just make /usr/bin/gcc a symlink to it
2812 [20:31:07] <greycat> it's done directly, not through
update-alternatives, on Debian; I don't know why
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2828 [20:37:59] <Namll> Hello, i am trying to add a network
interface for my college. At home i have a sepereate interface file
for my wifi and it just needs the SSID and the psk. At my college we
have a username and password to authenticate. is there a resource
handy for this type of setup. From my phone wifi settings it says
its WPA/WPA2 Enterprise with a secuirty sub type of PEAP
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2835 [20:41:54] <srukle> Namll: what tool are you using or is that
your question? Does ls /sys/class/net help?
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2840 [20:45:47] <Namll> I want to create a interface file for my
college to switch to, but i am unsure of the credentials needed to
do a succesfull connection. On my phone it just automates
everything. On my laptop I do everything manually (learning
purposes) so i have a interface file for each of my wifi connections
i can switch between. And I want to make one for my college which
requires a username and password instead of just ssid and password.
here is an
2841 [20:45:48] <Namll> example of my home wifi interface file
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2844 [20:46:40] <Namll> srukle: I found this i might try to
replicate
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2847 [20:48:06] <Namll> if i just have to add wpa-identity and
wpa-password, that seems easy enough, but all the extra properties
unsure if needed.
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2854 [20:51:49] <drzacek> Hello there
2855 [20:51:57] <drzacek> need help with broken apt
2856 [20:52:09] <Namll> when I scan with iw dev wlp3s0 scan, i get
this info
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2857 [20:52:39] <drzacek> needed to install libsdl2-dev:i386 on
64bit, one package borked everything
2858 [20:52:54] <drzacek>
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2860 [20:53:28] <drzacek> tried fiddling with the .deb package
like suggested here
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2861 [20:53:29] <judd> Bug
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2869 [20:56:33] <TheC0D3R> hi blaztek
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2923 [21:35:21] <yasser> \h
2924 [21:35:27] <yasser> help
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2941 [21:43:05] <Dirkson> Hey all. Where is vmlinuz for debian
testing? I would have assumed /boot/, but it only contains an older
version.
2942 [21:43:54] <greycat> Try installing the linux-image-amd64
metapackage, or whatever is appropriate for your arch.
2943 [21:44:16] <Dirkson> greycat: It's installed, and
I've reinstalled it like five times now :D
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2948 [21:49:04] <nkuttler> Dirkson: dpkg -L <package>
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2950 [21:50:53] <Dirkson> There we go. Manually removed the actual
linux-image-4.16.0-1-amd64 package and reinstalled it, and that
seemed to do the trick.
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2958 [21:56:02] <RoyK> dpkg: tell yasser about ask
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2960 [21:56:56] <Dirkson> Oh ugh. The kernel+nvidia driver handed
to me by testing don't appear to work together. Anyone have a
suggestion?
2961 [21:57:39] <greycat> !debian-next
2962 [21:57:40] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2968 [22:03:50] <lol768> Why does openssh-client provide
rsh-client
2969 [22:03:56] <lol768> They're fundamentally different
protocols
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2972 [22:04:17] <greycat> From the client POV, ssh is a drop-in
replacement for rsh.
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2974 [22:04:44] <lol768> The SSH utility supports the legacy
plaintext rsh protocol?
2975 [22:05:03] <greycat> No. It supports the same crazy
argument-concatenating syntax when used in a shell script.
2976 [22:05:20] <lol768> But the underlying protocol is different
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2978 [22:05:43] <greycat> Your shell script does not care about
that.
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2982 [22:05:55] <lol768> The fact is, if you have an old box
running r-services the SSH utilities are not an acceptable
alternative
2983 [22:06:03] <lol768> They do not provide support for the old
protocol
2984 [22:06:13] <lol768> Scripts will not seamlessly work
2985 [22:06:15] <greycat> ,file bin/rlogin
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2987 [22:06:20] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
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2991 [22:08:47] <greycat> oh, it's called
"netkit-rsh" and "netkit-rlogin", harumph./
2992 [22:08:56] <greycat> Way to make it utterly impossible to
find, Debian.
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2994 [22:10:37] <greycat> If you need the legacy remote shell,
install rsh-client, which contains the oh-so-intuitively-named
/usr/bin/netkit-rsh program, which you can then select in
update-alternatives --config rsh
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3001 [22:14:01] <lol768> Yup, aware the package exists
3002 [22:14:16] <greycat> Then what's the problem?
3003 [22:14:43] <lol768> I just know a large number of people
(including myself) have been caught out by the rsh command seemingly
existing but actually pointing at a command which supports an
entirely different protocol
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3005 [22:15:22] <greycat> As I said, it's for legacy shell
scripts that use rsh. When rsh -> ssh, the script actually runs
ssh, and as long as key auth has been properly set up, the script
still works. Because the API is the same.
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3012 [22:16:49] <greycat> The fact that you have to set up key
auth instead of editing ~/.rhosts is just a back-end problem.
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3015 [22:18:45] <lol768> ssh supports some of the same options
that the rsh client supports (namely -l, -n and the kerberos related
switches)
3016 [22:19:31] <greycat> And the crazy-stupid "$*"
thing.
3017 [22:19:34] <lol768> it doesn't implement -d (and exits
as soon as it sees an unknown option)
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3019 [22:20:22] <greycat> I really wish it had support for proper
argument list serialization instead of the rsh way. But hey, gotta
keep us busy writing FAQ pages, right.
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3045 [22:38:54] <OtakuSenpai> ,v intellij
3046 [22:38:55] <judd> No package named 'intellij' was
found in amd64.
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3058 [22:48:44] <r3> quick question: is using badblocks to test
the integrity of a drive OK if SMART isn't supported? (Compact
Flash module) - is there a better utility?
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3068 [22:56:11] <Tom__> i think badblocks doesn't use SMART
in either case
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3075 [22:59:08] <r3> Tom__: I meant, that since SMART testing
isn't available to me, is using badblocks testing a good way to
go about it, or is there a different tool I should be using
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3079 [23:03:59] <jhutchins_wk> r3: What are you atually trying to
determine?
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3085 [23:06:13] <r3> sorry I didn't mean for this to turn
into a big thing: I aquired several CF cards I intend to use in a
project. I wanted to determine if these cards are any good. Since I
don't really have any experience testing "Drives"
that don't support some form of SMART test, I turned to
badblocks and writing zeros to them using dd. I was just wondering
if there was a better tool for the job. :)
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3092 [23:08:36] <bites> r3: badblocks is fine for that. not sure
about the dd part, just do a destructive read-write test with
badblocks if you don't care about the data.
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3096 [23:09:22] <KindaNoob> hoi
3097 [23:09:38] <r3> very good, I've done the destructive
testing with several passes and they look fine. Thanks for the
input! :)
3098 [23:09:39] <KindaNoob> How to add script for autorun?
3099 [23:09:53] <KindaNoob> I can't find any proper manual
for it
3100 [23:09:55] <bites> r3: though if you want to use them you can
use e2fsck -cc, which adds found blocks to the bad block inode,
which prevents the filesystem from allocating those sectors.
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3102 [23:10:21] <bites> r3: e2fsck -cc uses badblocks for that.
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3104 [23:10:31] <r3> oh neat, bites, I didn't know that.
Thanks
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3147 [23:47:43] <rek> compiling gcc takes some time on an old lazy
machine
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3158 [23:53:07] <Azrael_-> hi
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3161 [23:53:26] <Azrael_-> can you suggest some backup software
which also works well for backing up windows?
3162 [23:53:46] <hassoon> backing up windows?
3163 [23:53:59] <Azrael_-> correct
3164 [23:54:09] <rant> Azrael_-: I'd rely on the built-in
stuff for windows.. something aware of its registry and such
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3166 [23:54:21] <hassoon> how about makign a whole .iso copy of a
whole windows partition from within a gnu/linux debian OS using the
dd command, Azrael_-
3167 [23:54:28] <rant> if you want to backup apps and app data and
such and making it all work again
3168 [23:54:31] <hassoon> * making *
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3170 [23:54:51] <crimson_king> What is the group that will grant
me user access to printer configuration in GNOME?
3171 [23:54:51] <Azrael_-> hassoon: this would mean only offline
backups but i don't want to put them offline. everything has to
be done online
3172 [23:55:14] <Azrael_-> rant: my main focus i jsut files, not
the whole system
3173 [23:55:21] <hassoon> Azrael_-: meh..making a dd then
uploading it ?
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3175 [23:55:56] <rant> crimson_king: not sure, but I'd try lp
and cups.. but it may be using polkit or something and not actually
use group permissions
3176 [23:55:57] <Azrael_-> hassoon: feel free to tell me how to
make a valid dd-copy while windows is running and somebody is
working on it. that's what i mean with online
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3178 [23:56:11] <hassoon> Azrael_-: ah
3179 [23:56:34] <rant> Azrael_-: rsync over samba or such perhaps?
3180 [23:56:48] <crimson_king> rant: I'm already on lpadmin,
I thought that would do it
3181 [23:57:02] <crimson_king> maybe sys or lp, I'll give it
a shot
3182 [23:57:02] <hassoon> Azrael_-: maybe a bash/terminal
environment layer on top of windows? I heard recent windows 10
versions offer that, and from there you can run dd or whatever
3183 [23:57:13] <Azrael_-> rant: before going for such basic stuff
i'll resolve to bacula with windows-client. hoped there were
better solutions
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3185 [23:57:42] <Azrael_-> hassoon: still won't provide a
consistent backup
3186 [23:58:15] <hassoon> strange debian stretch acts abit laggy
after updating from jessie
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3189 [23:59:07] <rant> crimson_king: are you seeing a password
dialog that perhaps has polkit information or such?
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3192 [23:59:22] <crimson_king> rant: yes, asking for root
permission
3193 [23:59:25] <rant> usually those gnome based auth dialogs tell
you what policy they use
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3195 [23:59:53] <rant> once you know its using polkit and which
policy it is, you can follow standard polkit proceedures to grant
access however you likee
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