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• 5[00:03:15] <nvz> j0z: apt-get install kernel-package
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• 7[00:04:42] <nvz> !compiz
• 8[00:04:42] <dpkg> Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also replaced-url
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• 13[00:06:22] <j0z> nvz, it says I need to install another package
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• 16[00:06:31] <j0z> it is available from another package
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• 26[00:08:32] <mo1991> nvz - compiz is included in Stretch now
• 27[00:08:47] <Brigo> ,v compiz
• 28[00:08:48] <judd> Package: compiz on amd64 -- buster: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1; sid: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1; stretch: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1
• 29[00:09:07] <Brigo> mo1991, you are right, do you know why?
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• 35[00:09:32] <mo1991> bigMouthCommie above
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• 38[00:09:50] <mo1991> Brigo - I know that people have been working on getting it back for some time now - but why?
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• 40[00:10:21] <Brigo> mo1991, i didn't know that. I thought Compiz dead.
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• 43[00:11:04] <nvz> j0z: apparently kernel-package was discontinued and is now obsolete
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• 47[00:11:26] <nvz> !kernel handbook
• 48[00:11:26] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
• 49[00:11:28] <mo1991> Brigo - it has been being developed by cannonical for some time - the .9 version was always buggy in debian. But luckily, some people took it upon themselves to get the latest code from ubunhtu and repackage, etc for debian
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• 53[00:12:27] <Brigo> it was really cool in its time. I' am happy of its come back :)
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• 56[00:12:37] <mo1991> As I have always used it for various reasons, its great to have a recent, stable version back in debian. It has a lot of visual features, some that are very helpful for people who are visually impared
• 57[00:12:56] <mo1991> ya i've always been at xfce + compiz for many years.
• 58[00:13:17] <mo1991> great for virtual machines, just flip the cube and your in the next VM
• 59[00:13:27] <daniel-s> Which filesystem should I use for a workstation?
• 60[00:13:34] <daniel-s> Would it be different for a server?
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• 63[00:15:18] <nvz> daniel-s: if you have to ask what filesystem you should use, then you should just use the default which currently is ext4
• 64[00:15:30] <daniel-s> Cool. Thanks
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• 67[00:16:43] <j0z> nvz thanks
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• 71[00:18:04] <nvz> j0z: yeah, I'm not too thrilled about this.. I liked kernel-package myself
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• 73[00:18:46] <j0z> yes me too
• 74[00:18:56] <bigMouthCommie> mo1991: i installed compiz, but when i run it it breaks a bunch of things...
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• 76[00:19:19] <nvz> it was an all-in one tool that patched, configured, compiled, and packaged all in one command, it was beautiful..
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• 79[00:19:53] <bigMouthCommie> frankly, the biggest feature that i want is color inversion
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• 81[00:20:37] <bdax> Hi everyone. I've just created a debian 9.1 live usb using `cp .iso /dev/sdb && sync`, rebooted and it works fine. However, I want to add some extra files to the usb. The manual says to create an extra fat32 partition, but this is what gparted says: replaced-url
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• 95[00:27:16] <nvz> I personally find it more useful to just install to a USB drive than to run live from it. It boots faster and its easier to modify and save the configs like a normal install
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• 97[00:27:34] <bigMouthCommie> personally, i'd use proxmox to make a custom distro
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• 100[00:29:45] <mo1991> bigMouthCommie - I think compiz only works well with xfce or mate. or other older style desktops. I use it with xfce and it works great. Pretty sure mate works perfect also
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• 103[00:30:39] <nvz> compiz is a window manager, it will work with anything except another window manager
• 104[00:31:03] <nvz> any DE you can change the wm, some it just may be easier or harder to do
• 105[00:31:20] <bigMouthCommie> thank you
• 106[00:31:24] <bigMouthCommie> @ mo1991
• 107[00:31:25] <bdax> install it to a usb? I didn't know that was possible. presumeable that locks it to this hardware? Are there any other considerations with that approach?
• 108[00:31:40] <mo1991> fair enough. I just think using a simple compiz --replace command in gnome screws things up. Good to know there is a way to change this.
• 109[00:31:43] <bdax> making a custom distro seems a bit much for this tbh, I just want to copy a file
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• 111[00:32:08] <bdax> presumably*
• 112[00:32:10] <bigMouthCommie> nvz: do you have tips for making it play nice with gnome?
• 113[00:32:23] <nvz> bdax: no it will not lock it to the hardware, linux is a monolithic kernel and all debian kernels use initrd, the only part that would lock it to the hardware is if you setup something like 3rd party driver
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• 115[00:32:54] <nvz> bigMouthCommie: not really gnome is dead to me
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• 120[00:33:55] <bdax> nvz: that's pretty interesting. if I install wifi firmware specific to this laptop, would other computers just ignore that? or that the sort of 3rd party driver you're referring to?
• 121[00:34:39] <bigMouthCommie> nvz: i just can't seem to let it go. :( what did you switch to?
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• 124[00:34:56] <nvz> bdax: no wifi firmware is only used by the wifi driver that needs it.. and the kernel would auto-detect the hardware. The kind of thing I'm referring to is like nvidia or ati proprietary video drivers since they have an xorg component as well..
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• 128[00:35:58] <nvz> bigMouthCommie: I didn't switch I stayed on gnome 2 with sawfish when they ditched it for megashitty. and then I grew up and stopped using a DE at all. DEs are a pita.. you just create a session and run whatever programs you like from .xsession like a grown up :P
• 129[00:36:07] <bdax> ah brilliant. I never considered that approach before. thanks for that!
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• 132[00:36:56] <nvz> bdax: thats the way I do it, I just install like normal using the USB as the rootfs, and then install a bootloader onto it.. its way easier to config that way and when you change stuff it stays because its not running in ram
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• 139[00:39:25] <bdax> nvz: oh but how do you then launch the installer from an installation?
• 140[00:40:14] <mo1991> bigMouthCommie - you can install any desktop alongside gnome. Mate is similar to gnome2. XFCE is also pretty similar to gnome2 but a little lighter - at your login screen you can choose whatever desktop you want. I install with gnome to make sure I get the gnome programs without searching for them, then install xfce w compiz - I can use either then, although I always just use xfce
• 141[00:40:25] <nvz> bdax: you'd need to boot the installer from something else obviously.. a cd, pxe, something you cant really install to and from the same media
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• 145[00:41:41] <bigMouthCommie> nvz: i am my home's sysadmin, so my wife isn't likely to want to run everyhing out of xsession
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• 147[00:41:57] <bigMouthCommie> hence, i'd like to pick a de that fits us both
• 148[00:42:07] <bigMouthCommie> in case i need to provide any support
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• 150[00:42:29] <nvz> bdax: the install guide has a whole section (4.5 if I recall correctly) on PXE / Netboot install setup. its one of the more elaborate things to set up but its my favorite install method because you can drop different installers into your TFTP setup and install do anything you plug into it. I used to have a small netgear router with this setup
• 151[00:43:01] <mo1991> bigMouthCommie - just make sure you install compizconig settings manager package with compiz - as you will need this to enable windows borders, window resize, window move, cube, rotate cube, etc. By default compiz doesn't do much, but you can easily setup in a matter of a few minutes
• 152[00:43:32] <nvz> and because it only requires TFTP / DHCP on the one end and PXE rom on the other, it can be done on virutally any hardware.. you could in theory do it on windows, linux, mac, android, anything that can run a tftp and dhcp server and the two don;t even have to be on the same machine
• 153[00:43:53] <bigMouthCommie> thanx for the help
• 154[00:44:05] <bigMouthCommie> v confident about installing debian on my wife's machine after work
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• 156[00:44:28] <bdax> nvz: no sorry I mean as in: I put debian on usb1, boot into usb1 and use it to install to usb2. I now wipe usb1 and use it for something else. How to I launch the installer from usb2 for the laptop? or did I misinterpret the solution? And net installations won't in this case unfortunately (I think) as I'm often using the wifi at a uni halls of residence or somewhere similar, where I don't have full access to the wifi
• 157[00:44:40] <mo1991> and I'd go xfce or mate if you want a "normal" full function desktop. compiz can easily be started on startup
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• 159[00:44:43] <bdax> won't work*
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• 162[00:45:50] <nvz> bdax: you just boot the intaller from one thumbdrive and install to the other.
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• 170[00:50:15] <bdax> nvz: I think I misinterpreted somewhere. I was hoping to create a custom debian live of sorts, that could be used to install debian on laptops, so I was hoping once debian was installed on usb2 from usb1, the installed could be launched from usb2 for the laptop. Is your solution instead for making a portable installation that you use as your main/backup installation?
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• 173[00:50:45] <bdax> (custom in the sense that it has some extra files added to the usb)
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• 175[00:51:09] <bdax> the installer could be launched*
• 176[00:51:58] <bdax> this used to be easy when I used unetbootin, but that's apparently not recommended anymore
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• 181[00:54:07] <paqcito> Is there a way to restart multiple services at a time? i.e service firefox-daemon restart && service chrome-daemon restart && service hello-daemon restart?
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• 183[00:54:39] <nvz> bdax: oh, well the live things just use bootcd as I recall
• 184[00:54:43] <nvz> !bootcd
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• 188[00:55:07] <nvz> ,info bootcd
• 189[00:55:08] <judd> Package bootcd (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: run your system from cd without need for disks. Version: 5.05; Size: 96.1k; Installed: 426k
• 190[00:55:26] <nvz> bdax: but maybe something has changed idk
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• 193[00:56:42] <bdax> ah okay, thanks for that nvz, I'll have a look into it some more
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• 195[00:57:35] <nvz> bdax: yes what you are trying to do was probably the best way to go about it. I thought you just wanted a portable install I didn't realize you wanted something to use as an installer. Bootcd however was the project designed to take a running install and make it into a live image and vice versa
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• 197[00:59:01] <nvz> bdax: I'd always just setup a laptop or a router to PXE boot the installer and a local mirror for doing installs
• 198[00:59:15] <paqcito> Yes. Restarting them in that way didnt work for me
• 199[00:59:18] <paqcito> Any suggestion?
• 200[00:59:44] <bdax> nvz: ah I see well that might work then. I think I'll have a look at editing the iso, and if not give that bootcd package a try. thanks again for the tip
• 201[01:01:00] <awal1> paqcito, if during / for upgrades concerns, check 'needrestart' pkg
• 202[01:01:27] <nvz> paqcito: for one thing && requires that the first command exit 0 (success) or it stops executing other commands you use ; if you just want it to run several commands regardless of the exit status
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• 208[01:03:57] <paqcito> nvz: thanks
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• 215[01:07:38] <nvz> paqcito: no problem. it's good to remember that. && is a logic operator checking the exit status where as ; is just a command seperator
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• 222[01:09:37] <paqcito> nvz: I did know about &&, but never read about ;
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• 226[01:10:57] <nvz> paqcito: true; echo "you will see this" && false && echo "you will not see this"
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• 229[01:11:22] <nvz> paqcito: true && echo "you will see this" && false && echo "you will not see this"
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• 231[01:11:25] <nvz> for that matter
• 232[01:11:50] <paqcito> nvz: Yes. I got it
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• 235[01:12:28] <paqcito> nvz: I've been working in a bash script for almost 3 days (10,12 lines) and never learned that
• 236[01:12:52] <paqcito> nvz: my bash is still awful though
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• 248[01:17:29] <nvz> paqcito: I've been doing it for about 15 years and I'm still learning new things
• 249[01:18:29] <paqcito> nvz: that sounds great but at the same time when I'm trying to learn the most I can everyday to get a decent job is a little but overwhelmed
• 250[01:18:51] <Sveta> I recall our sysadmin saying that he learned of {1..4} notation 'last month' after what appears to be at least a decade of working as a system administrator.
• 251[01:18:54] <somiaj> there is also #bash for more details on bash scripts if that is your goal.
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• 253[01:19:25] <paqcito> nvz: I'm doing this for 8-9 hours per day, every single day. Looking forward to becoming a good sysadmin
• 254[01:19:29] <somiaj> Sveta: sometimes such notation is added after one learned what they needed to do.
• 255[01:19:31] <nvz> greycat's bash faq is a great place to learn too
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• 257[01:19:48] <paqcito> somiaj: yeah, i've been hanging around there
• 258[01:19:50] <somiaj> though unsure how much bash notation keeps changing.
• 259[01:19:58] <paqcito> Sveta: O.o
• 260[01:20:04] <tw> is {1..4} a bashism?
• 261[01:20:08] <tw> because it doesn't work in my shell.
• 262[01:20:09] <Sveta> Yes.
• 263[01:20:31] <tw> i imagine it's effectively seq 1 4
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• 265[01:20:49] <somiaj> yea, some people prefer to only use POSTIX sh syntax and avoid bashisms...
• 266[01:20:52] <nvz> tw: echo {1..4}
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• 268[01:21:15] <paqcito> i'll start today with a book called The Linux Shell Command and go from there with man pages and more hard documentation
• 269[01:21:25] <tw> nvz: replaced-url
• 270[01:21:35] <Sveta> `echo {001..004}` looks interesting too :P
• 271[01:21:36] <paqcito> since man pages and other documentation seems to be written in another language for me
• 272[01:21:47] <somiaj> paqcito: learning to read man pages is a very useful skill, and I find knowing how to find information far more useful than knowing how to do something.
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• 274[01:22:02] <somiaj> with stackexchange and all those forums/sites out there, tracking down information isn't to difficult.
• 275[01:22:16] <paqcito> somiaj: Well, a month ago I was worse than now at reading man pages
• 276[01:22:23] <nvz> tw: strange.. it outputs "1 2 3 4" here on Debian 9 Stretch armhf
• 277[01:22:25] <paqcito> somiaj: true
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• 280[01:22:52] <nvz> tw: and Debian 8 amd64 as well
• 281[01:22:54] <Sveta> That's a bashism.
• 282[01:23:03] <Sveta> tw is probably not using bash.
• 283[01:23:08] <tw> Newp.
• 284[01:24:01] <tw> I think it's dash. or possibly busybox ash.
• 285[01:24:32] <somiaj> tw: you are using dash as your main shell? ash is more likley.
• 286[01:24:47] <somiaj> dash is very stripped down and for system scripts.
• 287[01:25:15] <somiaj> many seem to really like zsh, I personally find bash sufficent for my needs.
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• 292[01:26:18] <tw> I'm a fan of zsh's programmable tab completion, I just don't have it here.
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• 297[01:28:19] <paqcito> I cant think right now about other shells since I'm starting with bash and I feel is a lot already
• 298[01:28:21] <paqcito> lol
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• 303[01:29:10] <tw> I'd stick with posix-isms if you're just learning. Bash does a lot of nice things for you, but you pay in portability eventually.
• 304[01:29:27] <nvz> paqcito: I think it's more important that you learn python and/or perl before learning another normal command shell.
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• 306[01:29:55] <paqcito> nvz: You mean after Bash, do you?
• 307[01:29:57] <somiaj> yea, if you are writting system scripts for debian, dash will be the shell that is used and bashisms will mess it up. POSTIX or dash is a good level to at least know.
• 308[01:30:48] <aly-ly> diffrence between perl and python
• 309[01:31:03] <nvz> paqcito: yes python and perl are used heavily for linux systems.. and python is becomming more and more popular. dropbox client, hp's printer control center, and all sorts of things are written in python
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• 312[01:32:06] <paqcito> nvz: That's the path I want to follow.. bash ---> python and /or perl. Keep learning linux and networking, keep play around with old and new monitoring system (nagios, sensu), and learn ansible or any config manag
• 313[01:32:20] <paqcito> I think that'd put me out there to be hired
• 314[01:32:45] <paqcito> nvz: Thanks. Any recommendation for Python? I bought Automating the Boring Stuff with Python
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• 316[01:32:48] <somiaj> python/perl/ruby/php depend a lot on what you end up getting hired to do or want to do.
• 317[01:33:12] <paqcito> somiaj: I can't wait until I get a interview to start learning though :p
• 318[01:33:14] <aly-ly> great
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• 320[01:33:36] <nvz> aly-ly: there are countless differences for example you can't do stuff like this in python: replaced-url
• 321[01:33:37] <somiaj> paqcito: I would use channel's specific to what you want to learn, #python may have some advice on good ways to learn python. Mostly learn python 3, but it is nice knowing it is different than python2, as there is still a lot of python2 code that is still activally used.
• 322[01:33:53] <paqcito> somiaj: I've been playing with php/mysql, since I think it's good to know about web programming if I'd be working with web servers
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• 324[01:34:23] <paqcito> somiaj: thanks
• 325[01:35:01] <somiaj> aly-ly: and sometimes the difference is what code you are working with. I prefer python but end up using perl more and more because the software I work on uses perl.
• 326[01:35:22] <aly-ly> thanks nvz
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• 332[01:37:13] <tw> You could always FFI the perl in with perl embedding and ctypes or swig ;)
• 333[01:37:16] <aly-ly> I always wanted to learn python I thought it was easier
• 334[01:37:17] <tw> I don't recommend it.
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• 336[01:37:50] <aly-ly> thank you somiaj
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• 339[01:38:59] <somiaj> aly-ly: python is a nice language, I would suggest looking into it.
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• 346[01:42:19] <aly-ly> yes somiaj
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• 349[01:44:09] <somiaj> aly-ly: perl is just very common, so depending on what you do, you may have to learn that too.
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• 351[01:44:20] <somiaj> I chose to and liked learning python. I learn perl cause I have to work with it.
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• 358[01:50:30] <malsagxulo> i like ruby. at first i didn't, python made me feel like all languages "should" be indentation-sensitive, but it's not that bad throwing in an "end". and ruby makes closures *much* easier and useful
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• 363[01:54:15] <malsagxulo> (of course, nested defs are also closures in python, but they don't have a lot of uses there. ruby really puts them to work as "blocks")
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• 367[01:55:47] <malsagxulo> coffeescript is also nice, i think. at least compared to plain javascript
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• 372[01:58:11] <tw> I honestly don't see the point of ruby-style closures. Is it just how ruby handles things like reentrance context in C, or C++'s callable?
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• 378[01:59:58] <malsagxulo> tw: together with the yield syntax, it's basically a way of defining your own control constructs. a ruby method can call its block however and as many times as it wants, as well as pass it on to other methods
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• 383[02:01:15] <malsagxulo> what would be a for/in loop in python is an .each method call in ruby. and you can define your own (similar or different) methods within the language
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• 385[02:01:47] <tw> in python, those are list comprehensions or map calls.
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• 387[02:02:30] <malsagxulo> right, but ruby makes it possible to define similar concepts to list comprehensions from within the language
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• 392[02:03:51] <tw> Sure, I guess. list comprehensions are just syntax though. The internal code can be whatever you want, whether that be declared in another file or declared inline.
• 393[02:04:38] <tw> I guess it's just another way of doing the same thing.
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• 395[02:05:26] <malsagxulo> well, for example, you could define an in-order map-like traversal of a tree-like structure, and call it with any block, using it just like you would .each
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• 397[02:05:54] <malsagxulo> then again, all "serious" languages are Turing-complete, so I guess it's all equivalent anyway :P
• 398[02:06:09] <tw> That's the equivalent of a generator in python.
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• 401[02:07:43] <tw> That actually makes it easier to understand. They make sense now.
• 402[02:07:54] <malsagxulo> ok, but the ruby syntax to do this is much less of a pain than the python syntax for creating a custom generator. no need to define a new class with a .next method that raises StopIteration, just a single method that uses yield and calls itself a couple times
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• 404[02:10:19] <tw> I don't think I've ever done that. You can make generator functions that yield with basically the same syntax.
• 405[02:10:56] <malsagxulo> yeah, come to think of it, i forgot that python has libraries that make some of this stuff easier. it's been a while since i used it heavily. sorry
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• 407[02:11:21] <tw> Python probably stole the yield keyword from ruby.
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• 411[02:12:51] <malsagxulo> but i'm sure you could come up with uses where it's easier to do in ruby.
• 412[02:13:06] <malsagxulo> (and vice versa, of course)
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• 461[02:49:22] <klys> "Android Oreo's Rollback Protection Will Block OS Downgrades" - slashdot.org
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• 536[03:30:51] <Trel> What group does a user need to belong to in order to utilize usb devices such as /dev/ttyUSB0?
• 537[03:31:10] <Trel> (I don't have the machine in question in front of me to look at the ownership)
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• 557[03:41:08] <maxcell_> im trying to find eh asound.conf file without lucky, do you know where it is on deb?
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• 561[03:43:54] <maxcell_> or pulse config
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• 567[03:49:12] <maxcell_> arch wiki says /etc/asound.conf so debian wiki says the same but, this file doesn't exist
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• 569[03:49:34] <maxcell_> also ~/.asoundrc
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• 596[04:04:18] <nvz> ls: cannot access /dev/ttyUSB0: No such file or directory
• 597[04:05:04] <nvz> Trel: my guess would be the tty group.. I dont have any ttyUSB* files
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• 599[04:05:41] <nvz> crw--w---- 1 root tty 4, 0 Sep 3 23:09 /dev/tty0
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• 624[04:25:15] <Trel> nvz, that's a USB/Serial adapter
• 625[04:25:41] <Trel> I'm guessing it would default to the same permissions, so that group is probably what I needed
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• 627[04:26:22] <RoyK> just add the user to tty
• 628[04:26:37] <RoyK> and give g+r on that
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• 633[04:28:25] <Orxata_> Why the man page of qsort is from 1993? How can I update the manpages?
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• 636[04:31:38] <RoyK> Orxata_: use the source, make a pull request
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• 638[04:33:13] <RoyK> making pull request with the gui is simple
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• 642[04:35:34] <nvz> idk what qsort is, but it doesnt sound like something that has changed much
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• 644[04:36:09] <nvz> I'm sure if there was a manpage for hello_world.c it would be about the same as it was in 1970
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• 656[04:39:42] <wr> issue replaced-url
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• 658[04:40:52] <wr> got that after update
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• 660[04:41:39] <nvz> wr: debian is WIDHE compliant hence the <yes> being selected
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• 664[04:43:20] <wr> nvz, if select no, will it boot?
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• 669[04:44:25] <nvz> wr: more than likely, yes.. because it will not delete your kernel as opposed to deleting it
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• 671[04:45:01] <nvz> wr: you can always check to make sure the kernel is still there before rebooting and you could try kexec rather than a reboot
• 672[04:45:12] <wr> nvz, why after update is it putting same kernel version?
• 673[04:45:53] <nvz> wr: that I don't know, and it sounds a bit odd I'll admit, but the safest option is already selected
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• 676[04:47:01] <nvz> kexec was added back in 2.6 and allows you to load a new kernel into memory and jump to it using a system call
• 677[04:47:28] <nvz> this of course will only make sure the kernel is there and working, will not rule out bootloader issues
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• 696[04:55:20] <RoyK> making pull request with the gui is gf simple
• 697[04:55:22] <RoyK> fd
• 698[04:55:22] <wr> nvz, if i set a no and something goes wrong i just have to install a linux-image-4.11.0-0.bpo.1-amd64_4.11.6-1-bpo9+1_amd64.deb kernel package, no?
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• 712[04:59:59] <nvz> wr: you will have to boot from something else, chroot to your install then do this, yes. unless you can install a 2nd kernel image that you know will be there and boot
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• 716[05:02:07] <wr> nvz, i noticed a thing too when i hit "yes" and stop it starts to remove some of my system packages
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• 719[05:02:58] <nvz> wr: what command did you run? is this just a normal upgrade or a dist-upgrade?
• 720[05:03:24] <wr> nvz, update upgrade dist-upgrade on backports
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• 722[05:04:05] <nvz> wait, you did apt-get -t stretch-backports dist-upgrade?
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• 724[05:04:56] <Trel> RoyK: giving g+r I don't think would help unless that would persist the usb device being unplugged/replugged
• 725[05:05:07] <wr> nvz, apt-get -t stretch-backports update && apt-get -t stretch-backports upgrade && apt-get -t stretch-backports dist-upgrade -y
• 726[05:05:25] <nvz> wr: why on earth would you do such a thing?
• 727[05:05:49] <wr> nvz, i always do that for more than 2years never had issues
• 728[05:05:54] <nvz> heh
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• 731[05:06:29] <wr> nvz, i mean with older versions, for strech since it got out
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• 733[05:07:09] <nvz> idk, I wouldnt do any one of those things much less all three.. you not only told it to -y, and to dist-upgrade when you're not actually dist-upgrading but also to use backports
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• 736[05:07:36] <nvz> for normal updates you need only apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
• 737[05:09:31] <somiaj> wr: backport packages do not have nearly the testing to see how well they integrate with the whole system. Best to only use backports for packages you need, not just because it is available.
• 738[05:09:35] <wr> nvz, but yes, your right, i started using backports, and now i included that one more
• 739[05:09:43] <nvz> wr: I would not reboot if I were you until you carefully study /var/log/dpkg.log and figure out exactly what happened
• 740[05:10:09] <wr> somiaj, yes i was using backports because needed packages too
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• 742[05:10:34] <nvz> because there is no telling what kind of damage could be done by treating backports repo like its a new branch and trying to dist-upgrade to it
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• 744[05:11:41] <somiaj> wr: sure, that is why they are there, but they sometimes have issues are are only tested against other libaries in the core system. Upgrading a lot can introduce unknown bugs
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• 747[05:11:47] <wr> somiaj, maybe i can run out of backports i needed it on wheezy but maybe now packages need in past are on jessie
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• 749[05:12:35] <nvz> wait a minute.. are you saying that this system is still using Jessie and you just dist-upgraded to stretch-backports?
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• 752[05:13:13] <wr> somiaj, i guess necessity was the mother of all issues
• 753[05:13:46] <nvz> this is more like mother of all pebcak leading to mother of all fubar
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• 755[05:15:26] <wr> nvz, i use to use backports on wheezy because needed one or so package then i continued doing same with jessie, today i found shouldnt do it here probably, but since jessie come out continued doing same with luck had no problem till now
• 756[05:15:54] <somiaj> wr: or just run stretch, it was released earlier this year
• 757[05:15:57] <annadane> you can also compile your own packages/add your own backports
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• 759[05:16:09] <wr> nvz, well maybe not a problem since i just aborted after asking here
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• 762[05:16:22] <nvz> wr: you do not "use backports" like this.. you add the repo, and you pull in just what package you need, then you update it by just normal update/upgrade. you do not attempt to dist-upgrade to backports like its a whole other branch
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• 764[05:17:11] <nvz> backports is not even a complete repo which is why a dist-upgrade will break things horribly trying to satisfy ALL PACKAGES using that repo
• 765[05:17:40] <somiaj> wr: part of what makes debian stable a solid system is it is frozen and things have had a good amount of testing to ensure they all work together. Sticking with the frozen system as much as possible really helps keep it solid and secure. Once you get use to this you may find backports are not needed. But in the case they are, you need to know exactly what is backported and be prepared to do your own securit
• 766[05:17:46] <somiaj> y updates on them.
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• 768[05:18:32] <somiaj> wr: and thus as nvz points out, only install select packages from that repo.
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• 770[05:21:57] <wr> nvz, somiaj if i just use now normal apt-get update/ upgrade will it revert backport packages, wanna start using this properly like refered
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• 772[05:22:50] <nvz> you need to backup and reinstall most likely, I can't even imagine what doing apt-get -t stretch-backports dist-upgrade would do.. and I wouldn't ever dream of doing something like that
• 773[05:23:06] <nvz> especially with -y just letting it run wild without checking it first
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• 778[05:24:37] <wr> nvz, your right, i just now though on what was doing, i thinked i was just upgrading system packages on backports, but dist-upgrading makes it unstable
• 779[05:26:15] <nvz> look if you've ever apt-get installed something with all dependencies met, it just goes ahead.. the reason it stops to confirm isn't just because someone thought it'd be funny to make you take that extra step.. its because its doing more than just what you specified on the command line.. and this is why we made apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges to also further inform you of what you were doing beforehand
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• 783[05:28:00] <nvz> you do not use -y, you do not use dist-upgrade unless upgrading to a new debian release, and you do not use upgrade on backports at all. you just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and let it pull in whatever needs to be updated from wherever it needs to.
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• 790[05:29:35] <wr> nvz, i get that at some point, but since i needed a extra package one day i used backports and then i started updating like that but on backports, thinking was correct logic
• 791[05:30:40] <wr> nvz, even so, i never had issues in months, just today this kernel
• 792[05:31:02] <wr> nvz, pure luck maybe
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• 795[05:31:40] <nvz> no. if you've ever done an update/upgrade you'll notice it'll pull from security, backports, etc as needed. and a dist-upgrade is a whole different directive than upgrade it allows it to force other packages to be removed if need be to make more important packages able to upgrade. its VERY dangerous to use on an incomplete repo like backports
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• 797[05:32:21] <nvz> kernel is a key package.. the whole system depends on a kernel.. and by doing dist-upgrade you're telling apt to remove anything not in stretch-updates that will prevent this important package from installing
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• 800[05:33:47] <wr> nvz, brb gonna reboot
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• 803[05:34:01] <nvz> the dist-upgrade as its name suggests was only added as a directive because its absolutly required for upgrading to a new release
• 804[05:34:20] <nvz> yeah.. or so you think.. heh
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• 806[05:35:30] <nvz> let the record show my advice was not to reboot until complete review of dpkg.log and backup
• 807[05:35:36] <nvz> :P
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• 810[05:36:12] <nvz> when someone who doesn't backup anything tells you to backup.. its bad
• 811[05:36:26] <Psychoghost> Lol
• 812[05:36:34] <Psychoghost> True
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• 820[05:39:16] <nvz> I'm willing to bet what he did uninstalled several hundred packages at least
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• 836[05:50:21] <xddfgj> help with screen lock.. Hibernate not working properly?? I boot after hibernate and nothing display?? (I have external monitor) and I can't switch to tty?? And then I saw a message "This session is locked out you will be redirected..." plz help
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• 842[05:52:26] <annadane> xddfgj, which desktop environment/window manager?
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• 844[05:52:41] <xddfgj> annadane: I use XFCE
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• 848[05:53:41] <xddfgj> can;t find solutions in the internet either
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• 852[05:55:26] <nvz> xddfgj: are you concerned with resuming or do you just want to get back into the system?
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• 857[05:56:36] <xddfgj> nvz: I want to be back in the system and couldn't so anyway to fix it?
• 858[05:56:39] <xddfgj> If that helps
• 859[05:56:39] <xddfgj> replaced-url
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• 862[05:57:13] <xddfgj> need help
• 863[05:57:18] <nvz> xddfgj: just getting back into the system and losing your saved state is as simple as a reboot, which ctrl+alt+del or the power button should shut it down normally so you can boot normally
• 864[05:57:20] <xddfgj> plz.. i lost all my work
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• 866[05:57:49] <xddfgj> nvz: i did but hibernate is not working !!
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• 872[05:58:59] <xddfgj> annadane: any help?
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• 874[05:59:28] <nvz> yes, well you're far from the only person to ever have issues with suspend/hibernate. Its not a real reliable means of saving data even when it works properly
• 875[06:00:09] <xddfgj> windows is better than linux than
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• 878[06:00:45] <xddfgj> windows do better stuff
• 879[06:02:34] <nvz> this is going to be an unproductive conversation. I'm going back to what I was doing now.
• 880[06:03:05] <xddfgj> fuck you not helping
• 881[06:03:15] <xddfgj> if i would know the solution i would help
• 882[06:03:43] <xddfgj> how do i fix it??
• 883[06:04:17] <xddfgj> after hibernate and booting it show "This session is locked out you will be redirected..." for a long time
• 884[06:04:21] <xddfgj> what am i suppose to do?
• 885[06:04:31] <xddfgj> i found same problem in stackoverflow but no solution was there
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• 887[06:04:53] <xddfgj> plz dont put light-locker in next debian release??
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• 889[06:05:04] <xddfgj> or if it's possible to fix i would like to help
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• 894[06:08:22] <Epakai> log in on a virtual terminal and kill light-locker
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• 896[06:08:52] <xddfgj> this is not a solution
• 897[06:09:09] <Epakai> don't use light-locker
• 898[06:10:08] <annadane> xddfgj, if you're asking for support it's better if you're not rude to the people trying to help you
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• 905[06:15:05] <wr> t updif run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and a backports line is on sources list will it update packages like apt-get -t stretch-backports update && apt-get -t stretch-backports upgrade?
• 906[06:15:44] <wr> ups, minus t upi
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• 908[06:17:31] <xddfgj> hi
• 909[06:17:37] <xddfgj> Epakai what to use instead of light locker?
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• 911[06:17:53] <xddfgj> plz
• 912[06:18:05] <xddfgj> help
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• 919[06:18:23] <xddfgj> HELPPPPPPPP
• 920[06:18:43] <annadane> xddfgj, and you also need PATIENCE
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• 943[06:20:12] <xddfgj> annadane: why dont you elp mee im stuuuuuuuuck
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• 952[06:20:16] <xddfgj> this is frustating
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• 956[06:20:44] <annadane> xddfgj, because i don't know the answer to your question
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• 963[06:20:51] <Psychoghost> Xddfgj relax please this is a support channel they will help but you have to be patient they are human
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• 969[06:21:10] <xddfgj> Psychoghost: no problem but how do ifix it?? i dont understand
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• 982[06:21:22] <xddfgj> how they can fix if there is no answer in google?
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• 1069[06:29:50] <annadane> i was going to say, before he left, that you can probably check .xsession for errors
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• 1073[06:30:27] <annadane> or .xsession-errors or whatever it is
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• 1207[07:45:26] <malsagxulo> i just figured out how to fix a problem i was having with debian's firefox, and it revealed an issue with another debian package. the new passff, from mozilla's addons page, does not work with xul-ext-requestpolicy (or virtual packages firefox-requestpolicy etc.)
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• 1209[07:46:32] <malsagxulo> solution was to install requestpolicy continued from mozilla's addons page
• 1210[07:46:34] <klys> malsagxulo, what is your firefox version?
• 1211[07:47:17] <malsagxulo> Version: 52.3.0esr-1~deb9u1
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• 1213[07:47:47] <klys> okay, just keep in mind that soon in a new release, mozilla will stop supporting addons.
• 1214[07:48:17] <nvz> o.O
• 1215[07:49:15] <malsagxulo> well, xul-based ones, yes. they're switching to webextensions. i think that was the cause of this, actually, it seems latest passff version is the first to use webextensions (and does not have a debian package, so the mozilla version updated itself without notice)
• 1216[07:49:37] <nvz> thats perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've heard in awhile.
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• 1218[07:50:41] <malsagxulo> (there's an ITP passff, but it hasn't produced results yet AFAIK)
• 1219[07:51:01] <klys> "Firefox 57 drops support for all legacy add-ons, including Tab Mix Plus."
• 1220[07:51:15] <malsagxulo> key word there is "legacy"
• 1221[07:51:24] <malsagxulo> they mean non-webextension
• 1222[07:51:56] * nvz thinks . o O (remember how cool 1991 was? lets all go back to using nutscrape navigator 3.x)
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• 1233[07:56:26] <malsagxulo> nvz, ironically, part of the motivation for this change is to stop the browser wars between as many free software browsers as possible. webextensions now works with both google chromium and firefox
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• 1238[07:57:01] <malsagxulo> and i think some other browsers too, but i forget which
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• 1241[07:58:07] <nvz> yeah.. I was just commenting on how ridiculous the idea was that they'd drop extensibility.. it makes a whole lot more sense the way you put it
• 1242[07:58:20] <malsagxulo> well, stop the wars at least w.r.t. incompatible extensions
• 1243[07:58:41] <malsagxulo> k
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• 1453[10:00:00] <yepla> hello guys
• 1454[10:00:19] <yepla> i have strange thing happen when i click on shutdown in xfce4
• 1455[10:00:37] <yepla> the screen become black and the computer stay wake up
• 1456[10:00:43] <yepla> someone can help me ?
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• 1521[10:33:45] <dmkeast> what happens when you run "systemctl poweroff"?
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• 1523[10:34:31] <rudi_s> yepla: ^
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• 1536[10:43:43] <yepla> dmkeast: what does this cmd it will shutdown the computer ?
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• 1538[10:43:53] <yepla> rudi_s: ?
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• 1543[10:45:31] <rudi_s> yepla: Yes. - I wanted to hilight you so you get a notification for this possible answer.
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• 1547[10:45:53] <yepla> rudi_s: ok wait i try it now i come back
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• 1561[10:48:35] <dmkeast> rudi_s: oops. yeah, notifications. that command will list out inhibitors if it can't shut down
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• 1564[10:49:59] <yepla> rudi_s: same than shutdown in xfce4
• 1565[10:50:16] <yepla> the computer is stil runing the keyboard is shutdown no light on it
• 1566[10:50:22] <yepla> the screen is black
• 1567[10:50:30] <yepla> but the computer is still runing
• 1568[10:50:43] <yepla> note when i do a reboot it s reboot correctly
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• 1572[10:52:38] <yepla> dmkeast rudi_s ?
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• 1577[10:55:50] <dmkeast> yepla: can you ge the screen to turn back on? can you ssh on to the box?
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• 1586[11:00:36] <yepla> dmkeast: the screen is start but it display only black
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• 1588[11:00:48] <yepla> for ssh i must wait a friend come home to try
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• 1660[11:36:40] <tdn> GPG keys for apt sources have a short fingerprint. How is this fingerprint generated? And if I have a gpg key, how can I check what the fingerprint for that key is?
• 1661[11:36:55] <tdn> A public key that is
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• 1670[11:41:43] <tdn> So when I add my debian repos to my sources on a new machine and do apt-get update, of course I get a GPG error saying: NO_PUBKEY 97B6 2671 0E10 E753 (spaces added)
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• 1673[11:43:21] <tdn> So I guess that is the fingerprint of the key that is needed. However, when I go to a machine that already have my key installed and do apt-key list, I get: "pub rsa4096 2016-07-04 [SC] [expires: 2018-07-04]", "5165 271A 7340 7BC3 1A14 0DF4 97B6 2671 0E10 E753", "uid [ unknown] Software Build Account <software@adora.dk>", "sub rsa4096 2016-07-04 [E] [expires: 2018-07-04]"
• 1674[11:43:47] <tdn> I would guess that line 2 should be the fingerprint of my key. But it differs from the one from apt-get update.
• 1675[11:44:04] <tdn> However, the last 4 bytes are identical.
• 1676[11:44:09] <tdn> 0E10 E753
• 1677[11:44:14] <tdn> So is "0E10 E753" my fingerprint?
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• 1721[12:08:37] <idmistir> No way to install php5-fpm on stretch yet?
• 1722[12:08:49] <idmistir> Dotdeb packages aren't caught up, unfortunately
• 1723[12:10:19] <FinalX> what do you mean, yet?
• 1724[12:10:37] <FinalX> it shouldn't be used anymore at all, support for it ended last january, only security updates are still issued
• 1725[12:10:39] <petn-randall> idmistir: php5 will never be in stretch. Update your software! :)
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• 1727[12:11:08] <FinalX> see replaced-url
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• 1729[12:11:27] <FinalX> eh, replaced-url
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• 1732[12:12:27] <FinalX> support for PHP 7.0 will also be ending in less than 3 months from now.
• 1733[12:12:37] <FinalX> so you're _really_ behind.
• 1734[12:13:18] <FinalX> (Debian's support for it will go on until 2022 though, but that's important bug and security fixes only).)
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• 1742[12:20:27] <blingrang> Hi, I've added a virtual interface on in my network/interfaces file. How can I bring it up now? I've already tried ifup -a without any luck.
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• 1749[12:25:03] <petn-randall> blingrang: Can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces? Use replaced-url
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• 1753[12:27:44] <blingrang> petn-randall, never mind. I should've checked the documentation first. My interface was not marked "auto". I thought the ifup -a was for "all".
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• 1755[12:28:37] <petn-randall> blingrang: Ah, glad you got it solved then.
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• 1783[12:54:21] <dmkeast> i'm reading about the shortcut keys for readline. ctrl+a to go to start of line, ctrl+e to go to end etc. several use alt though, alt+f forward a word, alt+b back a word. thing is my terminal emulators (xfce4-terminal, gnome-terminal) pick that up for the menu bar shortcuts. any way around this?
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• 1787[12:55:46] <babilen> dmkeast: Disable the gnome/xfce4 terminal shortcuts in your profile
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• 1789[12:56:24] <idmistir> petn-randall; i can't update software that's not mine!
• 1790[12:56:27] <idmistir> :-)
• 1791[12:56:28] <petn-randall> dmkeast: I managed to deactivate all of it for xfce4-terminal, let me know if you need the tips.
• 1792[12:56:40] <idmistir> sometimes you're just given a task of hosting something
• 1793[12:56:52] <petn-randall> idmistir: Ditch it for something better? ;)
• 1794[12:56:52] <idmistir> anyway, i reverted to jessie for the time being.
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• 1796[12:57:13] <idmistir> petn-randall; I catch your drift but unfortunately, this is non-negotiable for now.
• 1797[12:57:15] <idmistir> ^^
• 1798[12:57:19] <idmistir> thank you for your time, though!
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• 1800[12:57:53] <petn-randall> idmistir: jessie will still be supported for quite a while, so you have plenty of time to still run that webapp.
• 1801[12:57:53] <dmkeast> petn-randall: aha "disable all menu access keys"? i think i may not have such luck in gnome
• 1802[12:58:11] <idmistir> petn-randall; yeah, that's the plan ;-)
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• 1804[12:58:27] <dmkeast> although, i've just remembered about readlines vi mode. not used that in years. that'll suit me better actually i think
• 1805[12:58:31] <Iridos> dmkeast, uh, I never use the ones with alt… didn't even know they existed… word forward and backward also is ctrl-leftarrow and ctrl-rightarrow (not sure if libreradline does that, or something else, though)
• 1806[12:59:12] <dmkeast> ah yeah, so it is. that's cool
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• 1808[12:59:57] <dmkeast> Iridos: thanks
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• 1833[13:12:38] <l0xas> how can I compile my own kernel now since there is no more make-kpkg?
• 1834[13:13:11] <gpunk> l0xas: there is no make-kpkg ?
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• 1842[13:15:52] <Guest34252> hi, how can i solve this update/upgrade problem ? apt-get update output: N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i380/Packages' as repository 'replaced-url
• 1843[13:16:07] <iot17> Hey guys, i'm doing a quick survey (10 questions) about "Internet of things". I would be very thankful if you could take some time and fill it in. Cheers! replaced-url
• 1844[13:16:30] <gpunk> Guest34252: replace 380 by 386 !
• 1845[13:17:17] <l0xas> gpunkyes
• 1846[13:17:29] <l0xas> no kernel-packages
• 1847[13:18:10] <gpunk> l0xas: it must be your /etc/apt/source.list that is missing lines
• 1848[13:18:26] <gpunk> l0xas: install linux-source
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• 1855[13:23:11] <Guest34252> I've installed linux-source but it didn't solve the problem. My sources.list file: deb replaced-url
• 1856[13:23:14] <Guest34252> deb-src replaced-url
• 1857[13:23:16] <Guest34252> deb replaced-url
• 1858[13:23:19] <Guest34252> deb-src replaced-url
• 1859[13:23:21] <Guest34252> # stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
• 1860[13:23:21] *** Guest34252 was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 1865[13:28:23] <Achylles> I have two other users in my computer and I have included myself in their group in the /home folder and given the rx permissions to their group, but I still cannot access their home...
• 1866[13:28:42] <Achylles> what am I doing wrong?
• 1867[13:28:56] <Achylles> drwxr-x--- 3 guest guest 4096 set 7 07:28 guest/
• 1868[13:29:13] <Achylles> this is one example
• 1869[13:29:54] <gpunk> Achylles: logoff then log back on
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• 1874[13:30:28] <Achylles> I am included in the guest group in /etc/group
• 1875[13:30:35] <gpunk> Achylles: logoff then log back on
• 1876[13:30:44] <Achylles> ok
• 1877[13:30:45] <Achylles> thx
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• 1883[13:35:25] <Achylles> gpunk, thx a lot. Worked :)
• 1884[13:35:38] <gpunk> :)
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• 1906[13:48:10] <mcfrisk> Hi, anyone know where security update debian changelogs have gone? replaced-url
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• 1911[13:50:31] <gpunk> mcfrisk: replaced-url
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• 1913[13:52:40] <mcfrisk> gpunk: yes but libgcrypt20_1.7.6-2+deb9u2_changelog is missing from there. Found it from the debian patch of source package though..
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• 1930[14:03:53] <Orxata_> Hi
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• 1933[14:04:42] <gpunk> Orxata_: hi
• 1934[14:05:22] <Orxata_> last night I said that the man page for qsort is "outdated" in debian 9
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• 1936[14:05:34] <Orxata_> in particular, it is from 1993
• 1937[14:05:44] <Orxata_> how can I update it?
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• 1939[14:06:04] <Orxata_> or create a pull request
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• 1945[14:09:04] <petn-randall> Orxata_: I'd figure out which package it belongs to, then file a bug report.
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• 1951[14:14:07] <jelly> Orxata_: qsort(3) ?
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• 1954[14:14:48] <jelly> judd: file man3/qsort.3.gz
• 1955[14:14:53] <judd> Search for man3/qsort.3.gz in stretch/amd64: manpages-dev: usr/share/man/man3/qsort.3.gz; manpages-fr-dev: usr/share/man/fr/man3/qsort.3.gz; manpages-ja-dev: usr/share/man/ja/man3/qsort.3.gz; manpages-pt-dev: usr/share/man/pt/man3/qsort.3.gz; manpages-de-dev: usr/share/man/de/man3/qsort.3.gz; manpages-es: usr/share/man/es/man3/qsort.3.gz; manpages-pl-dev: usr/share/man/pl/man3/qsort.3.gz
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• 1957[14:16:06] <Orxata_> yeah, thanks
• 1958[14:16:09] <Orxata_> I was looking at it
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• 1960[14:16:55] <jelly> mine says, among other things, CONFORMING TO qsort(): POSIX.1-2001, POSIX.1-2008, C89, C99, SVr4, 4.3BSD.
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• 1962[14:17:36] <jelly> Orxata_: reference to a 2008 standard probably means it got updated after 1993 at some point
• 1963[14:17:54] <Orxata_> so why do I have a 1993 file?
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• 1965[14:18:11] <Orxata_> hm... I've installed the firmware version of debian
• 1966[14:18:13] <Orxata_> could be thath?
• 1967[14:18:14] <jelly> Orxata_: which page are you looking at?
• 1968[14:18:17] <Orxata_> that*
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• 1976[14:19:00] <jelly> Orxata_: when you run "man 3 qsort", what does the first line say
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• 1978[14:19:47] <Orxata_> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1980[14:19:57] <Orxata_> this is my man page
• 1981[14:20:14] <Orxata_> (I'm not at my personal computer now)
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• 1983[14:21:12] <jelly> you can provide the info and ask again when you have the Debian machine available then
• 1984[14:21:49] <Orxata_> ok
• 1985[14:21:50] <Orxata_> thanks
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• 1987[14:22:03] <jelly> it is unlikely you managed to install Debian 2.2
• 1988[14:22:08] <jelly> !potato
• 1989[14:22:08] <dpkg> Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. replaced-url
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• 1992[14:25:07] <gpunk> !patate
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• 2006[14:39:32] <tw> Let's say someone were to attempt to install debian potato... what would you even put in for the mirror?
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• 2009[14:41:26] <tw> Ah, found it, archive.debian.org/debian/
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• 2014[14:43:41] <n4dir> there are probably more interesting ways to waste the time.
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• 2018[14:49:05] <tw> it's more interesting than figuring out why mpv -ao alsa has AV sync problems with dmix.
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• 2021[14:51:07] <kindling> hi, I would like a hand with Debian x64 v.4.9.30: systemd stops at "Reached target shutdown", after saying that /tmp, /var etc. cannot be unmounted. How can I debug the shutdown? :-/
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• 2025[14:54:11] <gpunk> kindling: force a reboot , then read the /var/log/syslog
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• 2029[14:55:15] <kindling> <gpunk>: ty, should I force it with SysRQ or by executing "reboot"?
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• 2034[14:56:10] <gpunk> how would you type reboot ? you say the system hangs
• 2035[14:56:29] <scheiblr> hey guys, I have a strange problem. I need an alias for my localhost an add it by using this command: ip addr add 10.0.0.1/8 dev lo label lo:0 But then my vm freezes over ssh and i cannot reconnect to ssh (just the Vsphere client console works). When I scan ports with nmap they changed from open to filtered. I have no idea why this happens. would be nice if someone has an idea.
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• 2039[14:57:16] <tw> scheiblr: what address are you connecting from? Because you probably blew away the route to the management machine.
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• 2041[14:57:24] <scheiblr> ah and if I remove that entry it doesn't work again, only after rebooting everything is back to normal.
• 2042[14:57:48] <scheiblr> tw: you mean the address of my local machine?
• 2043[14:57:49] <kindling> <gpunk>: the system angs only when I do a shutdown, not when I ask for a reboot.
• 2044[14:58:25] <gpunk> kindling: then shutdown , when it hangs ... press the reset button
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• 2046[14:58:32] <tw> scheiblr: the remote ssh machine you are connecting to the VM from. The ssh session that freezes.
• 2047[14:59:12] <scheiblr> inet 10.249.3.204 netmask 255.255.252.0 broadcast 10.249.3.255
• 2048[14:59:42] <OtakuSenpai> hello
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• 2050[15:00:03] <kindling> <gpunk>: ok. But if the saved log is what I see on the console it is useless. I need a detailed log of what blocks the mount point, I think
• 2051[15:00:07] <tw> scheiblr: it's now trying to route to that address over lo, which can't reach it.
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• 2053[15:00:14] <OtakuSenpai> i hav /dev/sda5 which is a 200+ gb prtition
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• 2055[15:00:27] <scheiblr> so by just using another ip it would work?
• 2056[15:00:28] <tw> scheiblr: look at ip ro show and see what changes. You will find your solution there.
• 2057[15:00:36] <OtakuSenpai> and i want to make it a permanent partition in the system
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• 2059[15:00:49] <tw> scheiblr: Yes, use a different IP. 10.*.*.*/8 is not a good choice in your case.
• 2060[15:01:00] <tw> the /8 is what kills it.
• 2061[15:01:03] <OtakuSenpai> but after modifiying the fstab file,on reboot it gives me an error
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• 2063[15:01:52] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
• 2064[15:01:58] <OtakuSenpai> heres my fstab file
• 2065[15:02:23] <OtakuSenpai> how do i check past syslogs for the error message?
• 2066[15:02:34] <OtakuSenpai> i mean where are the error messages kept?
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• 2068[15:02:54] <gpunk> kindling: please try that 1st
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• 2070[15:03:22] <scheiblr> tw, changed the ip, now it works! thanks a lot! :)
• 2071[15:03:29] <adjapodaspdk> s
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• 2074[15:03:38] <kindling> gpunk, ok good idea, I am going to reboot and paste the interesting part of the syslog @ replaced-url
• 2075[15:03:52] <gpunk> :)
• 2076[15:03:55] <tw> OtakuSenpai: /var/log/
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• 2079[15:04:48] <n4dir> OtakuSenpai: /dev/sda5 is the last entry/line in your fstab? Any more details about the error given?
• 2080[15:04:59] <OtakuSenpai> n4dir: im checking
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• 2083[15:05:59] <OtakuSenpai> which log should i open
• 2084[15:06:05] <OtakuSenpai> there are lots of them
• 2085[15:06:27] <n4dir> OtakuSenpai: to me it looks as if the last line and the line for /home are exactly the same (besides the device, duh). So it is not easy to think of a reason why it should fail to be mounted (assuming /home was mounted without problems).
• 2086[15:06:41] <n4dir> might be that the mountpoint doesn't exist, but that seems to obvious
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• 2088[15:07:21] <tw> OtakuSenpai: I'd enable the fstab line, then try (as root) mount /your/mount/point with no other options.
• 2089[15:07:33] <tw> if it can't figure it out, it should give you a pretty good diagnostic message on the spot.
• 2090[15:07:38] <n4dir> ups, that line is commented, my fault
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• 2092[15:08:23] <OtakuSenpai> yeah
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• 2094[15:08:27] <OtakuSenpai> ok will try tht
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• 2099[15:10:09] <tw> OtakuSenpai: I usually just zgrep -F searchstring /var/log/*
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• 2102[15:10:41] <OtakuSenpai> theres no error message while manually mounting
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• 2109[15:14:40] <n4dir> pretty much the only thing left seems to be a wrong UUID in fstab ?
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• 2111[15:15:45] <n4dir> umount sda5, remove the comment in fstab, do "mount -a". What is the error message?
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• 2119[15:18:09] <OtakuSenpai> i sent you guys a privmsg
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• 2128[15:20:44] <q9> Hi, i'm trying to use LTSP/LDM with keybased authenciation. If put my private ssh-key into ~root/.ssh/id_rsa, ldm finds and uses it. But this works only for one user. Where do I put the key of a second user?
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• 2131[15:21:26] <n4dir> OtakuSenpai: from the log: "EXT4-fs (sda5): warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended". That's what i would do next. The rest is beyond me, at least until now
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• 2133[15:22:18] <OtakuSenpai> what command on e2fsck should i run?
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• 2136[15:23:26] <gpunk> e2fsck /dev/sda5 ?
• 2137[15:23:53] <tw> OtakuSenpai: I'd be way more worried about 'EXT4-fs error (device sda5) in ext4_ext_truncate:4665: IO failure'
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• 2144[15:28:21] <tw> OtakuSenpai: I'd check your logs for other error messages related to sda. My suspicion is that you're getting failures on all of your filesystems, they're just being corrected by fsck at boot time.
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• 2148[15:29:11] <Learnerwind> Hi. Is there any way to install an i386 from an amd64 server?
• 2149[15:29:38] <petn-randall> Learnerwind: Install an i386 what?
• 2150[15:29:43] <n4dir> Learnerwind: probably debootsrap
• 2151[15:29:46] <tw> Learnerwind: You're going to need to be more specific. Install a package? Install the image?
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• 2153[15:29:55] <Learnerwind> sorry. Sintall an i386 os
• 2154[15:30:03] <Learnerwind> through pxe
• 2155[15:30:06] <kindling> gpunk, replaced-url
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• 2158[15:31:01] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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• 2161[15:31:17] <OtakuSenpai> also,i want to add a menu shortcut to my gnome desktop
• 2162[15:31:26] <OtakuSenpai> what package do i hav to download?
• 2163[15:31:32] <n4dir> OtakuSenpai: and all others. I am not that good with fstab. The last two entries in the line for /home and 0 2. My fstab has different numbers there.
• 2164[15:31:50] <OtakuSenpai> n4dir: i cleared the badblocks in the hd
• 2165[15:31:56] <OtakuSenpai> no worries
• 2166[15:32:10] <OtakuSenpai> but i want to add a menu shortcut to gnome
• 2167[15:32:12] <n4dir> ah, oh. uh. cool. (Still you might want to investigate if "0 2 " is really what you want
• 2168[15:32:17] <gpunk> kindling: do you really need "ulatencyd" ?
• 2169[15:33:01] <tw> Learnerwind: for x86 running on amd64 hardware, it's just like installing the 64 bit version, only you use a 32 bit installer image. Your PXE infrastructure would need to provide that image.
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• 2173[15:33:34] <jelly> scheiblr: if you're adding a single ip address, use /32 netmask. Why are you adding a routable address to lo interface?
• 2174[15:33:36] <kindling> gpunk, it enhances the scheduling, but it is not necessary. My kernel is configured with preemption and fast tick.
• 2175[15:34:01] <gpunk> try to disable it , and try a shutdown
• 2176[15:34:21] <gpunk> no, reboot then shutdown
• 2177[15:34:44] <kindling> ok :-)
• 2178[15:34:54] <gpunk> i'll be right back !
• 2179[15:35:07] <Learnerwind> tw: This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU
• 2180[15:35:07] <kindling> sudo apt remove --purge ulatencyd
• 2181[15:35:11] <Learnerwind> I am getting this error
• 2182[15:35:26] <tw> Learnerwind: You need a 32 bit image.
• 2183[15:35:46] <tw> If you're not the PXE admin, you should contact them and ask which image to use.
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• 2193[15:38:08] <Learnerwind> Where do i put this image? How do i define it? Any article to read? I am just starting to play with it. Trying to fix an old computer to a friend. It has no cd driver and only one usb port working Which i use to the keyboard
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• 2197[15:39:12] <jelly> Learnerwind: you might put the disk into a different machine temporarily and install there
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• 2200[15:39:34] <jelly> as an alternative to setting up tftp and pxe and netbooting
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• 2204[15:39:59] <Learnerwind> jelly: I am trying to use pxe
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• 2206[15:40:10] <Learnerwind> tw: Thats where it is: /var/lib/tftpboot/debian-installer/i386/
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• 2208[15:40:25] <devdoc> hi
• 2209[15:40:44] <tw> Honestly if it's that old, it's prior to intel core2, which is ~10 years old now. You might be able to find something at goodwill for 50$ and much less effort.
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• 2212[15:41:13] <tw> Learnerwind: you need to update your DHCP server to offer the i386 pxe image.
• 2213[15:41:15] <jelly> Learnerwind: I'd start with official docs, so, stretch install guide, for i386
• 2214[15:41:17] <jelly> !install guide
• 2215[15:41:25] <jelly> dpkg: ping
• 2216[15:41:26] <dpkg> Yes, jelly you are either online or you are not... replaced-url
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• 2218[15:42:06] <jelly> Learnerwind: replaced-url
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• 2222[15:42:47] <kindling> gpunk, you have no idea on what happened. Your solution worked very well and now the system performs faster than before. Thank you very much! :-D
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• 2224[15:43:08] <Learnerwind> tw: The dhcp is pointing to pxelinux.0. /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.0 is a link wich points to: debian-installer/i386/pxelinux.0
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• 2227[15:43:51] <Learnerwind> jelly: Will it work on a adm64 machine? I am facing that problem
• 2228[15:43:55] <Learnerwind> :(
• 2229[15:44:00] <jelly> will what work?
• 2230[15:44:21] <jelly> it's irrelevantwhich OS and hardware you got on the tftp server
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• 2233[15:44:32] <jelly> (or dhcp server)
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• 2235[15:44:57] <Learnerwind> I am making something wrong. Because i am getting the error: This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU
• 2236[15:45:25] <jelly> that usually means you put the wrong, 64bit image, in the right place
• 2237[15:46:06] <Learnerwind> Wrong image in the right place is really i huge problem :). Gonna check it
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• 2244[15:48:05] <gpunk> kindling: you'r welcome
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• 2263[15:52:18] <Learnerwind> jelly: It is very unlikely because i download it from here: replaced-url
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• 2269[15:55:55] <Learnerwind> jelly: also tried with: replaced-url
• 2270[15:55:57] <Learnerwind> Same error
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• 2280[16:00:14] <gnat_x> hi folks. i think i'm getting hit by replaced-url
• 2281[16:00:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2282[16:00:33] <gnat_x> so despite those versions, i'm still hitting the error.
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• 2289[16:03:13] <jelly> Learnerwind: huh, that's supposed to work
• 2290[16:03:39] <OtakuSenpai> im getting errors while installing pacakges
• 2291[16:03:43] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
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• 2296[16:04:37] <scheiblr> jelly: because I need this to access the host out of a docker instance
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• 2299[16:05:01] <gpunk> OtakuSenpai: can we see your /etc/apt/source.list ?
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• 2301[16:05:11] <OtakuSenpai> gpunk: sure
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• 2303[16:05:32] <OtakuSenpai> but theres a extra sources listing from a external site
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• 2305[16:05:40] <gpunk> ah
• 2306[16:05:43] <cybrNaut> OtakuSenpai: java stuff can be a son of a bitch.. iirc, icedtea is the default java tool for debian
• 2307[16:05:58] <gpunk> did you do an apt update first ?
• 2308[16:06:01] <Learnerwind> jelly: I am investigating it. I will reconfigure. Probably an old fai tftp setup is the trouble maker
• 2309[16:06:12] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
• 2310[16:06:18] <OtakuSenpai> yes i did apt update
• 2311[16:06:57] <OtakuSenpai> the listing ffrom the crawl.develz.org doesnt give any error
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• 2313[16:07:41] <gpunk> OtakuSenpai: disable temporarely crawl , do apt update ...and put back security plz
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• 2315[16:08:11] <gpunk> do apt update at the end
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• 2318[16:08:41] <OtakuSenpai> gpunk: whats the site name of security?
• 2319[16:08:55] <gpunk> deb replaced-url
• 2320[16:09:07] <gpunk> it is commented !
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• 2328[16:12:21] <TehRabbitt> Trying to find libmyodbc in Debian Stretch but i'm seeing that it's not available, has it been superceeded by another package?
• 2329[16:12:28] <TehRabbitt> trying to install asterisk, and it's a required package
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• 2332[16:13:04] <OtakuSenpai> ok now its working
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• 2334[16:13:09] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2335[16:13:09] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2336[16:13:17] <gpunk> OtakuSenpai: :)
• 2337[16:13:18] <OtakuSenpai> petn-randall: its working now
• 2338[16:13:24] <petn-randall> TehRabbitt: Can you provide the info from the factoid above? ^^^
• 2339[16:13:25] <OtakuSenpai> yaw
• 2340[16:13:31] <AndreasLutro> TehRabbitt: required how? does it say so in asterisk's webpage or something?
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• 2342[16:14:01] <TehRabbitt> AndreasLutro, compiling from source, working with a vendor who has it as a required package as part of their installation.
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• 2345[16:14:36] <AndreasLutro> try apt search libodbc
• 2346[16:14:38] <TehRabbitt> petn-randall, sug: libmyodbc
• 2347[16:14:38] <TehRabbitt> Package not available
• 2348[16:14:43] <TehRabbitt> replaced-url
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• 2350[16:15:01] <TehRabbitt> when I've tried google as well, it looks like libmyodbc didn't make it into Jessie9
• 2351[16:15:45] <petn-randall> TehRabbitt: I don't know which asterisk you are talking about, but the one in stretch doesn't suggtest libmyodbc.
• 2352[16:15:52] <n4dir> TehRabbitt: backporting it from sid, where it seems to exist, comes to mind
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• 2354[16:16:10] <Psychoghost> OK if I add testing repos to Debian will it break system?
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• 2356[16:16:29] <TehRabbitt> petn-randall, not the version of asterisk that shipps with Stretch, it would be Asterisk 13 which is downloaded from Digium's site
• 2357[16:16:31] <n4dir> though it doesn't seem to be a newer version. Perhaps you will get away with the version from old-stable
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• 2360[16:17:13] <petn-randall> TehRabbitt: I'd go and ask them, seems like they mixed something up. Either way, since it's only a suggestion, asterisk will work fine without.
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• 2363[16:18:05] <petn-randall> TehRabbitt: I don't see a point in taking their version though, since the one in stretch is also 13 and gets timely security support.
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• 2367[16:20:11] <Learnerwind> tw: Solved the problem
• 2368[16:20:20] <Learnerwind> jelly: Solved the problem
• 2369[16:20:22] <Psychoghost> Will testing repositories break stable?
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• 2371[16:20:38] <Learnerwind> The problem was that an old fai was pointing to the wrong place
• 2372[16:20:48] <Learnerwind> Thankyou for all the help
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• 2376[16:21:47] <CrazyTux> hello, is Alt+SysRq REISUB disabled in Debian ?
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• 2379[16:22:04] <petn-randall> Psychoghost: likely yes
• 2380[16:22:08] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
• 2381[16:22:08] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 2382[16:22:10] <petn-randall> Psychoghost: ^^^
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• 2384[16:22:27] <petn-randall> Psychoghost: Tell us what you want to achieve, though, and we might suggest a better solution.
• 2385[16:22:49] <n4dir> I would make the "likely yes" a yes.
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• 2389[16:23:44] <CrazyTux> I couldn't get Alt+SysRq REISUB to work the last time the OS freezed.
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• 2392[16:25:36] <CrazyTux> do Debian based distros like MX Linux and Sparky Linux amount to Frankendebian?
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• 2395[16:26:20] <petn-randall> CrazyTux: No, they are simply other distros that are supported in their respective channels.
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• 2397[16:26:32] <CrazyTux> petn-randall, ok
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• 2400[16:27:13] <CrazyTux> petn-randall, is Alt+SysRq REISUB disabled in Debian ?
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• 2404[16:29:00] <petn-randall> CrazyTux: no
• 2405[16:29:08] <TehRabbitt> so yeah, it seems like Debian 9 left out mysql and that's why the package isn't there.
• 2406[16:29:12] <petn-randall> CrazyTux: It might be in other distros.
• 2407[16:29:26] <CrazyTux> ok
• 2408[16:29:58] <CrazyTux> what one has to do when Debian 9 freezes suddenly?
• 2409[16:30:12] <CrazyTux> and nothing works.
• 2410[16:30:23] <petn-randall> CrazyTux: Push the power button?
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• 2413[16:30:40] <CrazyTux> no other solution?
• 2414[16:30:59] <CrazyTux> have you encountered such problem in Debian 9?
• 2415[16:31:00] <petn-randall> CrazyTux: Pull the power plug?
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• 2453[16:47:13] <Psychoghost> Lol I want latest packages for emulators but I installed testing of Debian just asked because I wanted to switch to stable
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• 2479[17:00:18] <petn-randall> Psychoghost: If you upgraded to testing, there's no going back anymore.
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• 2481[17:00:27] <petn-randall> Psychoghost: You can backup your data and reinstall.
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• 2485[17:03:57] <juhop> what tool does stretch installer use when it connects to wlan for updates? I'm asking this since I need to connect to wlan after installation (and I have not chosen to install any DE)
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• 2490[17:04:53] <juhop> so after installation, I must connect first before I can apt-get install anything
• 2491[17:05:19] <petn-randall> juhop: If you're installing a desktop, you should set up network-manager after installation.
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• 2498[17:07:33] <juhop> petn-randall: isn't that a gui tool? I don't even have X
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• 2506[17:10:07] <petn-randall> juhop: nmcli is the terminal frontend to it.
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• 2511[17:12:22] <juhop> thanks, I'll look into it
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• 2530[17:27:22] <Psychoghost> I have my files on a hard drive I have testing installed already cut of the packages
• 2531[17:27:37] <Psychoghost> Pretty stable
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• 2554[17:42:57] <jelly> no, pretty testing
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• 2560[17:44:45] <annadane> Psychoghost, if it hasn't already been mentioned do _not_ mix stable and testing
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• 2588[17:57:04] <Psychoghost> Indeed lol I get it then it's a Frankenstein
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• 2590[17:57:17] <petn-randall> *Frankendebian
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• 2614[18:02:08] <alekz> Where should I start if suddenly I just can't burn CDs? (Stretch, fully updated)
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• 2626[18:06:15] <petn-randall> alekz: What is stopping you?
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• 2642[18:12:01] <Donatas> hello linux lovers, whats cooking?
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• 2650[18:16:23] <annadane> !chat
• 2651[18:16:23] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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• 2717[18:46:14] <drinks2go> anyone ever disabled middle click to close tabs in chromium?
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• 2769[18:58:15] <wald0> is deb.debian.org repos not working?
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• 2777[19:02:02] <n4dir> wald0: you can ping it and you can open it via webbrowser, so i assume it is working. Might be better you describe the problem you have got.
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• 2780[19:03:42] <drinks2go> wlad0 from command line you can do sudo iptables -L to view all iptables rules
• 2781[19:04:17] <drinks2go> can also sudo iptables -L | grep 53
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• 2783[19:04:44] <drinks2go> this pipe output to gnu regexp so you can search. For apt I believe you need 80,443 and 53 open
• 2784[19:05:08] <wald0> its from a friend, seems like it only happens from his location (germany)
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• 2790[19:06:46] <jelly> wfm from a VM in .de
• 2791[19:06:51] <annadane> wald0, your friend can likely use the debian redirect mirror
• 2792[19:07:02] <annadane> which i... don't actually recall what that is
• 2793[19:07:04] <jelly> that IS the recommended redirector
• 2794[19:07:10] <annadane> ah
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• 2797[19:07:53] <jelly> [19:06] ~ # ping deb.debian.org applejack
• 2798[19:07:53] <jelly> PING static.debian.org (130.89.148.14) 56(84) bytes of data.
• 2799[19:07:54] <jelly> 64 bytes from klecker4.snt.utwente.nl (130.89.148.14): icmp_req=1 ttl=59 time=8.69 ms
• 2800[19:08:33] <jelly> but it does http redirection later I think
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• 2813[19:12:14] <jelly> previously,
• 2814[19:12:17] <jelly> !httpredir
• 2815[19:12:18] <dpkg> The httpredir.debian.org redirector (based on HTTP 302s) was shutdown on 2017-02-13 and replaced by <deb.debian.org>. Existing entries in sources.list will keep working as the DNS entries for httpredir.debian.org have been pointed to deb.debian.org.
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• 2827[19:18:07] <galex-713> Hi
• 2828[19:18:37] <galex-713> Bluetooth has problem on my Debian GNU/Linux Lenovo thinkpad x220: it always switch off whenever I switch it on
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• 2831[19:20:09] <galex-713> and then it says I have no bluetooth adapter
• 2832[19:20:15] <galex-713> and then it appears again, after a while
• 2833[19:20:19] <galex-713> then it disappear again
• 2834[19:20:20] <galex-713> etc.
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• 2846[19:25:44] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: this is the built in adapter? check what is going on in dmesg when that happens
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• 2848[19:26:37] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: I've personally had some similar issues with my x250 which showed up as the hardware doing silly things in dmesg; a more recent kernel seems to have helped, though.
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• 2850[19:27:48] <galex-713> dondelelcaro, yeah the built in one
• 2851[19:28:13] <galex-713> dondelelcaro, I have stable, could the next stable change this? should I spend time reporting a that low-level bug?
• 2852[19:28:21] <galex-713> or could it be a false-contact in hardware?
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• 2854[19:29:51] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: it's possible; you might try using the newest version of linux-image-amd64 from backports
• 2855[19:30:07] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: there's a 4.12 kernel in backports
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• 2859[19:32:16] <galex-713> dondelelcaro, oh yeah thank you, it was a good idea, I can a lot more clearly observe now that it reconnect/disconnect (with a 1 second interval) approximatively all minutes
• 2860[19:32:17] <galex-713> replaced-url
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• 2862[19:33:13] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: hrm; that actually looks like the subboard has become loose or damaged
• 2863[19:33:31] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: that's the sort of thing that happens when there is power to a usb device, but no data
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• 2867[19:34:22] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: might be worth trying a new kernel just in case a new firmware fixes the problem, but you might also just need to take the machine apart and fix that subboard
• 2868[19:35:10] <galex-713> dondelelcaro, like a false contact I’d need to re-solder with Sb (forgot that metal name)?
• 2869[19:35:15] <galex-713> (in english)
• 2870[19:36:02] <dondelelcaro> or just something that could be fixed by unplugging and replugging that board
• 2871[19:36:29] <dondelelcaro> not that unusual for older machines to have those subboards jostled or corroded
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• 2884[19:43:06] <martina`> Does anyone know how to install stretch from the netinst image?
• 2885[19:43:59] <martina`> (yes I have read the install guide)
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• 2887[19:44:19] <dondelelcaro> martina`: yes; what's the specific issue?
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• 2889[19:45:25] <martina`> It seems to start booting but then comes up with an error.
• 2890[19:46:16] <dondelelcaro> martina`: the netinst image? or your system after installation? which specific installer are you running?
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• 2892[19:46:40] <martina`> /boot/grub/pf2.cfg not found or somthing similar
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• 2894[19:46:48] <martina`> amd64
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• 2896[19:47:14] <martina`> when trying to boot the image
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• 2898[19:48:23] <martina`> /boot/grub/font.pf2 not found
• 2899[19:48:33] <martina`> and a few other files not found too.
• 2900[19:48:57] <martina`> the error message dissapears to fast 4 me to see it fully.
• 2901[19:50:13] <netzach> Hello
• 2902[19:50:26] <netzach> How can I make zfs start automaticlaly on boot? when I apt-get it doesn't
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• 2908[19:51:32] <annadane> martina`, how did you prepare it?
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• 2911[19:52:30] <martina`> i copied it onto a usb stick
• 2912[19:52:37] <annadane> martina`, using what?
• 2913[19:52:44] <martina`> cat
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• 2921[19:54:22] <martina`> cat xxxx.iso > /dev/sdc
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• 2926[19:55:23] <galex-713> dondelelcaro, but isn’t it unplugged/replugged each time the computer reboot or suspend? because I have this problem since I acquired this computer
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• 2929[19:56:10] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: no, I mean the physical connection
• 2930[19:56:11] <n4dir> martin` i am pretty sure that that way is wrong. Use dd or such
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• 2932[19:56:33] <galex-713> dondelelcaro, so because it could be wrongly connected?
• 2933[19:56:38] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: usually those cards are attached by a ribbon cable or some kind of insertion slot, and sometimes they get corroded or worn
• 2934[19:56:40] <n4dir> i usually get away with: dd if=/path/to/*iso of=/dev/sdc
• 2935[19:56:42] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: yeah
• 2936[19:56:46] <annadane> martina`, try cp xxxx.iso /dev/sdc and then sync
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• 2938[19:56:53] <dondelelcaro> n4dir: cat should work
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• 2940[19:57:02] <galex-713> ok
• 2941[19:57:06] <martina`> It should make no difference but I will try it anyway.
• 2942[19:57:26] <dondelelcaro> martina`: double check that the md5sum matches, too
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• 2944[19:57:31] <annadane> ^
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• 2946[19:57:36] <annadane> may be a corrupted image
• 2947[19:57:37] <dondelelcaro> martina`: and that the usb stick that you're using is larger than the image size
• 2948[19:57:38] <n4dir> dondelelcaro: never heard of that one. Good i assumed it might be an option too
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• 2950[19:58:07] <dondelelcaro> martina`: you should also double check that the usb stick that you're using is larger than the image size
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• 2952[19:58:28] <martina`> I will check the md5 like someone said.
• 2953[19:58:35] <dondelelcaro> martina`: cool; thanks
• 2954[19:58:37] <bolovanos> hithere - bit offtopic - I would like to setup network on CloneZilla Live cd, but commands "auto", and "iface" cannot be found there - any help?
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• 2957[20:00:03] <martina`> Wait. The md5 will be different because the size is different.
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• 2959[20:00:24] <martina`> But I will copy it again using dd
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• 2961[20:01:28] <galex-713> dondelelcaro, so it’s probably hardware, like I first thought, right?
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• 2963[20:01:43] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: yeah
• 2964[20:01:55] <dondelelcaro> galex-713: you might even just want to give up and buy a tiny usb bluetooth adapter
• 2965[20:02:20] <dondelelcaro> martina`: the md5 will be the same if you just examine the portion which was copied
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• 2969[20:02:46] <drinks2go> anyone have some idea how to control middle click behaviour in chromium?
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• 2971[20:02:55] <martina`> I dont know how to do that.
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• 2973[20:03:51] <martina`> I suppose I can copy the same number of bytes back.
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• 2975[20:04:13] <linuxfan888> Hi
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• 2977[20:05:17] <linuxfan888> I have 64GB of RAM. Is there a way when downloading torrents to keep a file in RAM until it has been downloaded and then write it to disk instead of continuously writing it to disk?
• 2978[20:05:22] <martina`> Any after copying with dd I get the same error when booting.
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• 2980[20:05:35] <jhutchins_wk> martina`: Since you're copying an image, not files, you shoulld have a single object on the drive, and you can get the md5sum of that object/partition.
• 2981[20:05:40] <martina`> Does anyone know if there is a workaround?
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• 2985[20:06:10] <martina`> jhutchins_wk: But the object is larger than the file.
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• 2990[20:06:38] <martina`> (so the md5s will be different)
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• 2993[20:07:04] <n4dir> that sure was a quick run of dd
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• 2995[20:07:28] <martina`> about 2 mins
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• 3008[20:10:44] <drinks2go> linuxfan888 you could just increase the disk cache size to 5 or 6 gb... see if that works?
• 3009[20:11:03] <drinks2go> linuxfan888 you have to research configuring libtorrent
• 3010[20:11:16] <jhutchins_wk> martina`: I missed what it does at boot.
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• 3014[20:12:18] <martina`> ok, I copied the same number of bytes back from the stick and the md5s are the same.
• 3015[20:12:25] <drinks2go> linuxfan888 some torrent server/client have a GUI to ease that configuration, you can google ltconfig if you're using deluge
• 3016[20:12:46] <drinks2go> or just attack libtorrent from the commandline.
• 3017[20:12:58] <martina`> jhutchins_wk: It says that some files (ca. 3) are not found.
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• 3019[20:13:14] <linuxfan888> drinks2go: yes, I am using deluge
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• 3021[20:13:53] <drinks2go> linuxfan888 you can use ltconfig, it's a pyegg that's available on the deluge forums
• 3022[20:14:32] <linuxfan888> drinks2go: pyegg? What's that?
• 3023[20:14:53] <drinks2go> Some weird format the deluge plugins are distributed in
• 3024[20:14:59] <drinks2go> one second
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• 3026[20:15:29] <martina`> jhutchins_wk: /boot/grub/fonts.ps2 or somethig.
• 3027[20:15:40] <drinks2go> linuxfan888 replaced-url
• 3028[20:15:57] <linuxfan888> drinks2go: thx
• 3029[20:16:34] <drinks2go> but like I say I'm not sure that having ample disk cache means deluge/libtorrent will ONLY write to RAM...
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• 3031[20:16:58] <drinks2go> I also think there could be some issues if you're not using ECC but that's beyond by locus of knowledge
• 3032[20:18:08] <linuxfan888> drinks2go: ok, thx. I will check it out
• 3033[20:18:46] <drinks2go> linuxfan888 best of luck :)
• 3034[20:21:09] <linuxfan888> drinks2go: thx :-)
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• 3041[20:23:52] <martina`> error file `/boot/grub/font.pf2´ file not found
• 3042[20:24:02] <martina`> is the very first error.
• 3043[20:24:03] <fly_agaric> hello guys how can I configure the debian iptables firewall so that it allows all outoing connections and block all incomming
• 3044[20:24:35] <martina`> But when I check manually, that file is indeed there.
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• 3048[20:25:48] <fly_agaric> I set iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT and iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT but i cant still do anything cant ping or wget
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• 3069[20:34:22] <jhutchins_wk> martina`: Can you boot it in BIOS mode instaed of EFI?
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• 3071[20:35:07] <martina`> How do I do that?
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• 3073[20:36:24] <l0xas> bios setup
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• 3077[20:37:22] <martina`> l0xas I dont know what that means
• 3078[20:38:27] <jhutchins_wk> I thought all of the installer images were EFI compatible, but perhaps not.
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• 3081[20:41:53] <jhutchins_wk> martina`: replaced-url
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• 3083[20:42:17] <jhutchins_wk> martina`: I think that will have some guidance on how to boot if you have EFI.
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• 3085[20:42:41] <martina`> Yes I have read that.
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• 3087[20:42:58] <jhutchins_wk> martina`: What's happening is that the EFI system is having troule reading files from the drive when grub is trying to load.
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• 3089[20:43:31] <jhutchins_wk> martina`: There may be a message before grub displays anything that says something like "Press F12 to enter setup".
• 3090[20:43:48] <martina`> It says
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• 3092[20:44:43] <martina`> but I thnk is outdated bcause F12 doesnt do anything.
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• 3099[20:48:34] <AndreasLutro> personally I just press delete, f9, f12 over and over again, hoping one of them works
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• 3103[20:49:50] <div> I want to work with anyone to learn code
• 3104[20:49:58] <div> Can you drag me?
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• 3125[20:59:52] <martina`> I think I found the solution.
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• 3128[21:00:29] <martina`> You have to select the menu "Search for installation media on extenal drives"
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• 3130[21:01:50] <jhutchins_wk> martina`: Interesting.
• 3131[21:02:06] <jhutchins_wk> martina`: That's similar to a common failure mode when using unetbootin.
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• 3135[21:03:53] <Achylles> how do I install lsb-core for googleearth? google-earth-pro-stable depends on lsb-core (>= 3.2); however:
• 3136[21:03:53] <Achylles> Package lsb-core is not installed.
• 3137[21:04:46] <towo`> apt install lsb-core?
• 3138[21:05:09] <Achylles> replaced-url
• 3139[21:05:12] <towo`> ah, doesn't exist anymore
• 3140[21:05:50] <towo`> maybe you should use googleearth-package
• 3141[21:06:09] <jhutchins_wk> towo`: WTF does google earth have to do with LSB?
• 3142[21:06:19] <Achylles> But, I did something in my previous installation and could install it. I do not remember what...
• 3143[21:06:35] <Achylles> And I did installed that...
• 3144[21:06:36] <towo`> jhutchins_wk, i'm not the developer of google-earth
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• 3146[21:07:10] <Trel> What's the best option for getting PHP5 in stretch?
• 3147[21:07:14] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
• 3148[21:07:18] <Achylles> I added a debian repository or something...
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• 3150[21:07:30] <jhutchins_wk> Achylles: See the URL above.
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• 3164[21:11:20] <jhutchins_wk> towo`: Sorry, missed that GE was what he was actually trying to do, your comment seemed very off-the-wall.
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• 3166[21:12:07] <towo`> that's why i later was saying, using googleearth-package woul be the better way maybe
• 3167[21:12:11] <jhutchins_wk> Achylles: It may not be the latest, but google earth is in Debian.
• 3168[21:12:35] <towo`> is not
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• 3171[21:13:01] <towo`> googleearth-package can be used for bulding a "propper" deb local
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• 3175[21:14:17] <Achylles> I remember that I installed lsb-core:i386 and then installed the latest with dpkg -i
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• 3182[21:15:25] <Achylles> And it was easy, but I do not rememember how I did that -> apt install lsb-core:i386 did not work
• 3183[21:15:46] <towo`> because it's gone
• 3184[21:16:07] <Achylles> I think if I find the right debian repo I can install that...
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• 3186[21:16:15] <towo`> Achylles, and then?
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• 3188[21:16:31] <towo`> Achylles, don't install crap if you don't know, what you are doing
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• 3204[21:25:14] <Achylles> I have built the debian package for googleearth and dpkg still complains about lsb-core:i386 - So I give up...
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• 3207[21:26:27] <jhutchins_wk> Achylles: You're on stretch?
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• 3209[21:26:58] <mattgirv> lsb-compat maybe?
• 3210[21:27:38] <Achylles> unstable
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• 3214[21:28:41] <Achylles> followed this guide replaced-url
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• 3216[21:28:58] <towo`> Achylles, maybe you should use your brain?
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• 3218[21:29:18] <towo`> Achylles, debian jessie != debian sid
• 3219[21:29:22] <jhutchins_wk> Achylles: Install lsb-compat
• 3220[21:29:35] <towo`> and btw, this channel is for debian stable support
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• 3222[21:29:47] <jhutchins_wk> towo`: This channel is for Debian support.
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• 3224[21:29:55] <Achylles> towo`, I said that I managed to install that in sid not long ago. So, thats why i am trying...
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• 3226[21:30:02] <jhutchins_wk> Achylles: Install lsb-compat
• 3227[21:30:05] <Achylles> I know that it is possible
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• 3229[21:30:11] <jhutchins_wk> Achylles: Install lsb-compat
• 3230[21:30:11] <towo`> jhutchins_wk, then you should change the channel topic
• 3231[21:30:14] <Achylles> ok
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• 3233[21:31:09] <Achylles> towo`, the package is in debian... googleearth-package
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• 3235[21:31:46] <jhutchins_wk> Achylles: Has my suggestion not registered? lsb-compat satisfies the dependency for Google Earth.
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• 3237[21:32:49] <Achylles> jhutchins_wk, yes. I will try...
• 3238[21:33:35] <jhutchins_wk> Achylles: What it actually needs is ld-lsb, which is a 32 bit lib iirc.
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• 3240[21:34:24] <jhutchins_wk> Nope, available in both.
• 3241[21:34:40] <towo`> and not in unstable
• 3242[21:34:50] <jhutchins_wk> You could theoretically symlink /lib/ld-linux-x86.so.2 to /lib/ld-lsb-x86.so.3
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• 3250[21:40:01] <jhutchins_wk> ,v lsb-compat
• 3251[21:40:03] <judd> Package: lsb-compat on amd64 -- stretch: 9.20161125
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• 3271[21:46:32] <n4dir> after starting mocp i am told to set the option for "ALSAStutterDefeat" to get rid of the warning, but i can't figure out in which file replaced-url
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• 3273[21:47:15] <blawiz> what creates an empty "hosts.txt" in ~ ?
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• 3278[21:48:29] <n4dir> blawiz: touch ~/hosts.txt ; for example
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• 3281[21:48:56] <blawiz> n4dir: ¬¬
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• 3284[21:49:04] <n4dir> > hosts.txt ; too .
• 3285[21:49:10] <blawiz> i dont know what process made it
• 3286[21:49:22] <blawiz> its unwanted
• 3287[21:49:23] <n4dir> ah. duh. then: no clue
• 3288[21:49:37] <n4dir> i already started wondering why one would want such ... lol
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• 3294[21:51:42] <Achylles> jhutchins_wk, apt-get -t stretch-backports install lsb-compat -> E: Unable to locate package lsb-compat
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• 3306[21:56:15] <Psychoghost> Can I get the 4.13 kernel on stretch?
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• 3308[21:56:42] <netzach> Psychoghost: isn't that already there? uname -r what do you have?
• 3309[21:56:46] <apollo13> hi, I am trying to understand the ip address assigned by the router to my laptop. it is ipv6 and the router advertisements say that the other configuration flag (ie slaac) is set -- yet I cannot derive my ip from my mac
• 3310[21:56:49] <dondelelcaro> Psychoghost: not yet easily, but it or the 4.14 kernel will likely be backported
• 3311[21:56:51] <apollo13> does debian something weird there?
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• 3313[21:56:59] <apollo13> or what could I look at
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• 3317[21:57:39] <Sia-> hi
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• 3319[21:57:56] <Sia-> it's possible to remove a group in linux?
• 3320[21:57:58] <Sia-> replaced-url
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• 3322[21:58:42] <Psychoghost> Thanks I'm using testing cuz of the packages and kernel version for security purposes
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• 3327[21:59:50] <jhutchins_wk> Achylles: Who said anything about backports? The listing from judd shows it's in the main repos.
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• 3331[22:00:22] <annadane> Psychoghost, for future reference the channel for testing/unstable is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 3332[22:00:42] <jhutchins_wk> Sia-: Check the manpage for groupdel.
• 3333[22:00:47] <jhutchins_wk> Sia-: Yes, there are ways to do it.
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• 3336[22:01:30] <jhutchins_wk> Psychoghost: That's probably not a good idea, stable receives backported security fixes from later packages, often before testing does. Security updates to testing are not a priority.
• 3337[22:01:43] <Achylles> jhutchins_wk, it also says it is in bpo -> replaced-url
• 3338[22:01:57] <Achylles> thats why I tried...
• 3339[22:02:05] <Psychoghost> Indeed but I also have another box running stretch lol
• 3340[22:02:12] <jhutchins_wk> Psychoghost: The major version of a Debian package is not the same as the upstream version.
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• 3345[22:02:48] <apollo13> ah stable-privacy
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• 3349[22:03:39] <Psychoghost> Hm OK good to know so in stretch can I get compiz?
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• 3351[22:03:50] <jhutchins_wk> ,v compiz
• 3352[22:03:52] <judd> Package: compiz on amd64 -- buster: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1; sid: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1; stretch: 1:0.9.13.0+16.10.20160818.2-5.1
• 3353[22:04:16] <Psychoghost> :o
• 3354[22:04:24] <cnb_> how much time takes to build a kernel?. I'm on a vm and is taking too long
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• 3356[22:04:55] <Psychoghost> OK cool
• 3357[22:04:59] <jhutchins_wk> cnb_: Since I started using linux the answer has varied from a couple of days to less than 30 minutes.
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• 3359[22:05:08] <jhutchins_wk> cnb_: It's a good way to benchmark a system.
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• 3361[22:05:53] <jhutchins_wk> cnb_: You'll know how long it takes when it completes <grin>.
• 3362[22:05:54] <cnb_> jhutchins_wk I remember like 20 mins on 2006, now it's taking a lot time more than 1hr, doing that in a vm is that slow ?
• 3363[22:06:01] <awal1> Psychoghost, you "must" try to use some tools for find stuff yourself, something like aptitude search foo, apt-cache policy foo, rmadison foo (from devscripts) and so ...
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• 3366[22:06:19] <jhutchins_wk> cnb_: It depens on the resources the VM has. They're as varied as hardware systems.
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• 3370[22:06:59] <jhutchins_wk> cnb_: If you have sysstat installed you can check the i/o, you can look at the CPU load and RAM use.
• 3371[22:07:03] <Psychoghost> Thank you I forgot those commands I'll search for the Debian wiki
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• 3373[22:07:25] <Sia-> any idea about my issuE?
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• 3375[22:07:42] <Sia-> replaced-url
• 3376[22:07:56] <jhutchins_wk> cnb_: If it's swapping, you might want to kill it and reconfigure.
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• 3378[22:08:05] <mattgirv> Sia-: You have a user with that group
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• 3380[22:08:13] <mattgirv> Sia-: Therefore, you cannot remove the group
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• 3382[22:08:35] <mattgirv> not sure how it could be any clearer?
• 3383[22:08:48] <jhutchins_wk> Sia-: replaced-url
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• 3394[22:10:21] <Sia-> jhutchins_wk, wow, with Google???
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• 3397[22:11:30] <chomwitt> an upgrade to jessy broke my sound!!
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• 3399[22:12:33] <awal1> to jessie from?
• 3400[22:13:17] <chomwitt> from jessy 8.x (dont remember) to jessy 8.9
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• 3404[22:16:04] <awal1> try reinstalling pulseaudio if installed
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• 3406[22:16:23] <Achylles> jhutchins_wk, thanks a lot! Google earth current has been installed beautifully with lsb-compat...
• 3407[22:16:39] <Achylles> a very small package!
• 3408[22:16:49] <Achylles> I know that it was possible...
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• 3413[22:18:15] <Trap-Chan> is there any good way to get itunes tv shows onto a debian PC? My daughter loves a show that seems unavailable for download anywhere but itunes and I'd like to buy them and put them on the HTPC so she can stream it in every room.
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• 3433[22:27:57] <tw> Not legally, no. afaik, all itunes TV and movies have DRM. Which means you can't stream it without authorizing the endpoint specifically.
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• 3438[22:31:08] <icee> hey, i'm a debian-tard, having mostly been on ubuntu and other things
• 3439[22:31:37] <icee> it seems kernel-package is not in stretch, and i'm confuzzled-- why not? it's in wheezy, jessie, buster, sid ,aka everything else :P
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• 3451[22:38:05] <Trap-Chan> @tw bummer. I'm guessing it's bad to strip DRM from something you buy even without distrobution?
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• 3461[22:41:11] <icee> oh ffs replaced-url
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• 3470[22:44:56] <tremon> upstream to the rescue: replaced-url
• 3471[22:45:29] <icee> yah i have reasons that doesn't work wonderfully for me
• 3472[22:46:12] <icee> oh well, back to ubuntu where it's not broken.
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• 3498[22:56:31] <ShaivamRU> hi all
• 3499[22:56:50] <tw> Trap-Chan: It's a pretty sophisticated problem and really crappy for us.
• 3500[22:58:21] <ShaivamRU> i'm using testing. I'm using multi-repo system and need for aptitude, but apt-get work correctly only replaced-url
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• 3504[22:58:55] <annadane> ShaivamRU, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 3508[22:59:55] <annadane> also
• 3509[22:59:57] <annadane> !localized errors
• 3510[22:59:57] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
• 3511[23:00:11] <awal1> dpkg: frankendebian
• 3512[23:00:11] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 3519[23:02:49] <macrocat> Hello. My graphics driver appears to be supporting OpenGL 2.0. I checked a few pages on the Internet that seem to imply my GPU can handle at least OpenGL 3.3. How would I go about using the newer version of OpenGL? My graphics card is the NVidia GeForce 310M and I'm using the 340xx legacy drivers from the Debian repository.
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• 3521[23:03:02] <annadane> awal1, i only very briefly looked at it but it doesn't look to be a frankendebian too much, being a mix of testing and sid
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• 3523[23:03:12] <annadane> but, whatever, doesn't matter
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• 3526[23:03:37] <ShaivamRU> dpkg: but why apt-get working correct?\
• 3527[23:03:37] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, ShaivamRU
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• 3530[23:04:03] <annadane> ShaivamRU, again, please go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, they'll be better able to answer testing/unstable questions
• 3531[23:04:06] <annadane> #debian is for stable
• 3532[23:04:19] <ShaivamRU> ok ok thanks
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• 3544[23:11:29] <annadane> i wonder if it's even worth telling people to do that seeing as it's probably a pita to connect to a whole new server but i guess that's what's expected
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• 3551[23:13:23] <jnr2820> tw: I have a Mac (shhh...don't judge) and last I checked they have dropped the DRM thing. You should be able to get straight mp4's from itunes now, move them to debs, and play them back with VLC, etc
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• 3575[23:23:17] <jasabella> hi
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• 3577[23:23:32] <macrocat_> hi
• 3578[23:23:39] <jasabella> is buster/testing stable enough as a daily driver yet geneally speaking?
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• 3582[23:24:37] <annadane> jasabella, generally yes, testing/unstable are relatively stable in my experience, but see replaced-url
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• 3585[23:24:46] <jnr2820> jasabella: I like to think so (but I don't use it everyday)
• 3586[23:24:57] <annadane> however if you don't know what you're doing it's generally a much safer bet to just use stable
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• 3589[23:25:36] <jasabella> oh i'm thinking more of the unstable -> testing problems
• 3590[23:25:49] <jnr2820> it's the newer software vs absolute stability trade off
• 3591[23:26:14] <awal1> jasabella, great Sid) when gnome, kde & cinnamon are avoided
• 3592[23:26:37] <jasabella> cool, i'm an xfce user :)
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• 3594[23:26:49] <jnr2820> xfce +1 :)
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• 3596[23:27:10] <macrocat_> xfce is nice
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• 3599[23:27:30] <macrocat_> i've been using i3-gaps but xfce is there if i want a layout i'm more used to
• 3600[23:27:53] <annadane> jasabella, you just need to be careful about what you upgrade
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• 3602[23:28:28] <jasabella> hmm
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• 3604[23:29:36] <awal1> here, sid with base system + openbox/fvwm + some apps I need and no problems at all in 4 years for home use
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• 3609[23:30:38] <awal1> maintenance & dedication are required :P
• 3610[23:31:29] <annadane> in my experience with sid you can avoid most breakage by not blindly mashing y through upgrade prompts, not removing packages if you don't have to, and if you're unsure check replaced-url
• 3611[23:31:41] <jasabella> yeah
• 3612[23:31:46] <annadane> for future reference the channel for testing/unstable discussion is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 3613[23:31:56] <jasabella> thx
• 3614[23:32:08] <awal1> if you just want a stable system , without headache use stable
• 3615[23:32:13] <jasabella> just bekg
• 3616[23:32:42] <jasabella> just being cautious not to knock my computer out, i need it for work - i could experiment in a vm i suppose
• 3617[23:32:55] <annadane> if your system really breaks graphically (which i suspect happens less with testing than with unstable) you can still get on irc via irssi to diagnose problems
• 3618[23:32:59] <annadane> but do consult that page i linked
• 3619[23:33:24] <awal1> work = stable branch
• 3620[23:33:25] <annadane> jasabella, if you need it for work i would say use stable
• 3621[23:33:28] <jasabella> hehe yeah
• 3622[23:33:47] <jasabella> i can fix it and all that, just takes time :D
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• 3624[23:34:14] <annadane> and keep backups!
• 3625[23:34:32] <jasabella> but yeah, whatever, i partitioned my disk so i could experiment to a certain degree :)
• 3626[23:35:18] <jasabella> buster away! :D
• 3627[23:36:20] <macrocat_> For my question, I was thinking I could try installing a driver from the nvidia site again. Last time I did that though I buggered it up and had to mess around trying to remove it and reinstall the one on the repos again.
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• 3630[23:37:02] <annadane> macrocat_, don't install outside the repository
• 3631[23:37:06] <annadane> debian likely has what you need
• 3632[23:37:07] <nvz> how do I restart samba on jessie? service samba restart is teeling me the service is masked status shows Loaded masked (/dev/null)
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• 3635[23:37:55] <macrocat_> I need drivers that can use at least OpenGL 3 and it's saying it's running OpenGL 2
• 3636[23:38:48] <jasabella> sudo systemctl unmask service
• 3637[23:38:57] <jasabella> masked means it wont load/start at all
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• 3644[23:41:13] <nvz> well its still saying the service is masked, and enable is saying that it contains no runlevels for default-start
• 3645[23:41:31] <nvz> I just installed samba, so its all default at this point
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• 3650[23:44:32] <nvz> replaced-url
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• 3653[23:45:28] <nvz> nm the /etc/init.d/samba script is working
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