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0 [00:00:02] <allan_wind> Is NetworkManager replacing
ifup/ifdown?
1 [00:00:24] <ksk> Not that I know.
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3 [00:00:54] <ksk> I mean, it can replace if-up/down, but will
not replace it as a standard in debian.
4 [00:01:06] <OerHeks> netplan ftw
5 [00:01:06] <ksk> also, there are systemd-networkd or
something like this, and netplan for example
6 [00:01:16] <ksk> who will want to compete with all of them ;)
7 [00:01:46] <Unit193> netplan is just a configuration frontend
for systemd-networkd and NM though. There's also the python
ifupdown2, I believe.
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9 [00:02:04] <ksk> I am not aware that debian choose anything
to replace if-up/down, you might wanna try searching the mailing
lists though.
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11 [00:02:18] <ksk> Unit193: ah okay, thats an interesting fact.
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13 [00:02:56] <allan_wind> Hmm... just kinda weird that it is
being installed by default if interfaces is the preferred way to
manage thing, or maybe it's just a systemd dependency
14 [00:03:22] <ksk> I myself tend to like
/etc/network/interfaces, but looking at the ease of configuration
systemd brought us so far (cronjobs, sys-v replacement, logging)
migrating away from it might be not a bad idea..
15 [00:03:42] <ksk> allan_wind: do you have a desktop installed?
Gnome and such always choose to bring NM
16 [00:04:01] <allan_wind> nm works nicely for wifi, btw, but it
seems to auto connect... so wondering if it would do that if I have
a wired connection too (I don't have a wired connection to test
with right noiw)
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18 [00:04:25] <allan_wind> ksk: well, not really, I use xmonad
19 [00:05:08] <ksk> if you have aptitude installed:
"aptitude why network-manager"
20 [00:05:51] <ksk> Im not a linux desktop guy, but I suppose it
will prefer wired over wifi connections.
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22 [00:06:28] <ksk> (and if I used a dekstop, I choose activly
to not use network-manager, do not like.)
23 [00:06:28] <allan_wind> ksk: I read somewhere that it will
fire up both wired and wireless which would be problematic
24 [00:06:49] <ksk> no Idea.
25 [00:07:04] <ksk> there can only be one defalt route anyway,
so..
26 [00:07:50] <allan_wind> ksk: installed aptitude and it seems
to tell me that lightdm pulled in nm
27 [00:08:12] <ksk> I think you should trust it on this ;)
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29 [00:09:31] <allan_wind> ksk: yeah, I don't mind nm,
actually, just don't want to get in the way. Managing wifi
manually with wpa_supplicant is painful. wicd works nicely too
30 [00:09:50] <ksk> yeah, having to hash the password on a shell
etc is not too portable.
31 [00:10:05] <ksk> used wicd back in the day.
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37 [00:13:13] <allan_wind> ksk: what do you do now?
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40 [00:14:09] <ksk> I do not run a linux desktop at the moment.
41 [00:15:16] <ksk> and network/interfaces on servers mostly.
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172 [02:25:21] <Deihmos> anyone using the gnome desktop
enviroment? How can I add folders to the desktop? tweak tools does
not have the desktop option
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176 [02:26:40] <GeneralDiscourse> Seriously?
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179 [02:27:11] <N0Lif3> anybody using the kde desktop
environment? how's the Windows 7-style "program launcher
in taskbar that becomes a tab for that program" treating you?
180 [02:27:35] <GeneralDiscourse> N0Lif3: Alt+F2 runner is your
friend
181 [02:28:22] <N0Lif3> what
182 [02:28:46] <GeneralDiscourse> > how's the Windows
7-style
183 [02:28:46] <GeneralDiscourse> wut? I have no idea what that
is
184 [02:29:03] <GeneralDiscourse> >program launcher
185 [02:29:03] <GeneralDiscourse> Alt+F2
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189 [02:29:29] <GeneralDiscourse> N0Lif3: Alt+F2, runner is your
friend
190 [02:29:40] <GeneralDiscourse> Does that change it, any?
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194 [02:30:54] <N0Lif3> I asked sincerely and described it as
best as I could, last time I used KDE it was very shoddy.
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196 [02:31:26] <outoftime> Deihmos: speak to UbuntuGnome users,
maybe dev team to find out what they did. Maybe they changed source
code a bit.
197 [02:31:39] <N0Lif3> I would click a program on the taskbar
and it would register as a "hold" as my program icons
would get pulled around
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199 [02:32:13] <N0Lif3> it drove me crazy to the point where I
couldn't stand to use kde anymore
200 [02:33:38] <outoftime> N0Lif3: you can always join i3wm users
(:
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203 [02:34:29] <N0Lif3> I like the desktop environments that try
to be a clone of Windows7. I know that is a bad word in a place like
that, but I'm an old dog who likes that desktop UI the best
204 [02:34:51] <N0Lif3> budgie is my top choice at the moment
205 [02:34:58] <N0Lif3> but even budgie has problems
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210 [02:40:42] <Deihmos> outoftime: there is no way to do this by
default?
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213 [02:41:30] <Deihmos>
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221 [02:43:15] <maxrazer> I am supposed to put locally built
binaries in /usr/local/bin right? But when I run the program it
can't write to that directory.
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232 [02:51:51] <ksk> maxrazer: programmes are not supposed to
write data to /usr/local/bin/
233 [02:52:10] <maxrazer> ksk, Good point I just realized.
234 [02:52:21] <maxrazer> That that was the wrong structure, so
that makes sense.
235 [02:52:28] <maxrazer> I put that in share.
236 [02:52:38] <ksk> eh, no?
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238 [02:52:48] <ksk> you would write in the calling users home
directory.
239 [02:53:10] <ksk> if its like "data to your program"
240 [02:53:21] <ksk> compare to how all other debian tools do
that.
241 [02:53:24] <maxrazer> Really? There is /usr/local/share
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245 [02:53:55] <maxrazer> And /usr/local/games
246 [02:54:10] <ksk> "Local application data that can be
shared among different architectures of the same OS."
247 [02:54:26] <maxrazer> so maybe put the executable or link in
the /usr/local/games that links to /usr/local/share where the real
binary is with the files
248 [02:54:33] <ksk> I mean, its up to you in the end, but I
would not find that suitable. Also, only root can write there.
249 [02:54:47] <maxrazer> The executable is going to look for
data files in a sub directory, so I can't put them seperate.
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252 [02:55:13] <maxrazer> I was trying to put the executable in a
place that is the default path so I coule easily run it.
253 [02:55:28] <maxrazer> But, you say use the home folder, maybe
create a games folder there.
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256 [02:55:51] <ksk> If you just want to run it easily, you can
put an alias into your bashrc ;)
257 [02:56:22] <ksk> and keep the strange tool somewhere in your
homedir. But as I said, its totally up to you :p
258 [02:56:29] <ksk> man hier - if you want some historical
reference ;)
259 [02:56:55] <maxrazer> I could create
~/Games/Gamename/game-executable
260 [02:57:21] <maxrazer> Create a .desktop icon too.
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267 [02:59:20] <Resilience> hello to everyone, I wouldl ike to
know how can I have got the man pages in two languages (english
+Spanish) and how to configurate to access them in either one or
other language in a system and per user basis
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278 [03:02:38] <ksk> Resilience: there are serveral packages
available, for example "manpages-de" wich would contain
german manpages
279 [03:03:15] <ksk> I suppose the environment variable $LANG of
every user will define which manpages he will get to see - if you
have the corresponding package installed.
280 [03:03:23] <Resilience> ksk right, that would install the
manpages in German (I woul dlike Spanish man pages, I assume it is
amnpages-es)
281 [03:03:33] <Resilience> ksk SLANG? and wuld not change any
other thing?
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283 [03:04:19] <ksk> Id like to add that I have always been very
doubtful about localized manpages. Sometimes (most times I took a
look at a german manpage) things get lost in translations, and that
is not cool if you want to know "the real deal" by looking
into a manpage
284 [03:04:33] <ksk> Resilience: it will change other things,
too.
285 [03:05:10] <ksk> Resilience: take a look at "man
man" - search for languages - that should cover it far better
than I can do.
286 [03:05:12] <Resilience> ksk I do dislike profoundly localized
packages, but I am teachin linux and almost all of my pupils want
and need Spanish man pages
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289 [03:08:00] <JordiGH> I'm still trying to figure out how
to boot old laptop drive from new laptop. Both are Debian...
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291 [03:08:24] <JordiGH> The old drive is now an external usb
disk via one of those boxes you can buy for laptop drives to plug in
your disk.
292 [03:08:35] <JordiGH> I see everything there. There's a
boot partition, my actual partition...
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294 [03:08:57] <JordiGH> It's just my old laptop drive. I
bet if my old laptop hadn't died, I could just plug it in back
into my old laptop and boot again.
295 [03:09:05] <mnathani> I have multiple debian vms freshly
installed, but am unable to ping within the same LAN
296 [03:09:21] <mnathani> I can ping external hosts just fine,
with either hostname or IP
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298 [03:09:28] <JordiGH> But from new laptop, on which I've
disabled secure boot, trying to select the now-external old drive at
boot time just does nothing.
299 [03:09:29] <dvs> JordiGH, so copying the drive over to the
new drive doesn't work?
300 [03:09:55] <JordiGH> dvs: The new drive is in fact my work
laptop. Got all my work stuff here. I don't want to overwrite
it.
301 [03:10:19] <JordiGH> I wonder if I need to reinstall grub on
the disk since it's now an external drive or something?
302 [03:11:24] <Resilience> JordiGH, why won't you installa
fes debian system in he other disk and then mount the old disk from
the usb case and copy everything?
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305 [03:14:31] <JordiGH> I already did that.
306 [03:14:39] <JordiGH> But I want to actually run stuff from
the old disk.
307 [03:14:51] <dvs> from the enclosure?
308 [03:14:56] <JordiGH> Yeah.
309 [03:15:03] <JordiGH> chroot doesn't work quite right for
some reason.
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311 [03:15:17] <mnathani> nvm I was mixing subnets 10.30/16 and
172.30/16
312 [03:15:19] <JordiGH> When I chroot in there and run
evolution, it says something about not being able to allocate
memory.
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314 [03:15:34] <JordiGH> I also want to understand, why
isn't it bootable?
315 [03:15:39] <JordiGH> I mean, I can make a usb stick bootable.
316 [03:15:44] <JordiGH> Why is this drive now not bootable?
317 [03:16:19] <JordiGH> I wonder if it's got something to
do with uefi.
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319 [03:16:38] <JordiGH> Are usb sticks made in a special way so
they'll boot from uefi laptops?
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321 [03:16:44] <JordiGH> My old laptop didn't have uefi. It
was that old.
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324 [03:17:25] <JordiGH> Do I have to chroot into the old drive,
copy over the important parts of /proc and so forth, and run
grub-install from the chroot?
325 [03:17:53] <ksk> !chroot
326 [03:17:54] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to
your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console
(Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2
/dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable
with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t
proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You
can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
327 [03:18:13] <ksk> dont copy, you need to use bindmounts. see
the faqtoid.
328 [03:18:18] <JordiGH> Think that'll work?
329 [03:18:34] <JordiGH> If I can just properly run evolution
from the chroot, that's really all I want. I don't need to
reboot.
330 [03:19:22] <JordiGH> Let me try.
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333 [03:22:28] <JordiGH> Hm, same error.
334 [03:22:34] <JordiGH> "Failed to create shared memory
file /WK2SharedMemory.393961030: Permission denied"
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339 [03:24:36] <JordiGH>
replaced-url
340 [03:24:46] <JordiGH> Huh, should I chmod /dev/shm inside the
chroot?
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342 [03:26:25] <JordiGH> Hey, that seems to have worked.
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344 [03:27:02] <JordiGH> Yay my email is back.
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358 [03:38:54] <JordiGH> No, not quite.
359 [03:39:00] <JordiGH> Evolution really wants to run inside
Gnome.
360 [03:39:14] <JordiGH> Or something.
361 [03:39:41] <JordiGH> My non-chroot X server is on Cinnamon.
362 [03:39:53] <JordiGH> And the chrooted Evolution doesn't
know where to save auth.
363 [03:39:56] <JordiGH> So I can't send email.
364 [03:40:00] <JordiGH> I could receive it, though.
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372 [03:48:16] <JordiGH> Man, what perms should I put on
/dev/shm?
373 [03:48:29] <JordiGH> I think I may have messed up the host
/dev/shm when modifying the chrooted /dev/shm?
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375 [03:49:14] <fling> JordiGH: or maybe you want to try lxd
which does all the things for you
376 [03:49:31] <JordiGH> What's lxd?
377 [03:49:49] <fling> JordiGH: a hypervisor for lxcontainers
378 [03:49:54] <JordiGH> wat
379 [03:50:12] <JordiGH> What kind of moonspeak are you
jibbering?
380 [03:50:31] <fling> I think it is time to replace chroots with
lxd.
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383 [03:52:39] <JordiGH> Is that gonna allow me to run stuff from
my old laptop's drive which is now an external drive to my new
laptop?
384 [03:53:08] <ksk> why would you do that in the first place
385 [03:53:08] <JordiGH> I'm kind of tempted to try mounting
the chroot again and running grub to see if that's why the
external drive isn't bootable.
386 [03:53:15] <ksk> you seem to be havin that problem for days
now..
387 [03:53:15] <JordiGH> It probably does need uefi stuff.
388 [03:53:29] <JordiGH> ksk: Because I want to be able to access
my old laptpo like I used to.
389 [03:53:30] <ksk> just copy over your data, and use the new
laptop!?
390 [03:53:37] <JordiGH> The new laptop is my work laptop.
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392 [03:53:41] <JordiGH> I can't copy over my data.
393 [03:53:47] <JordiGH> The old data should stay separate.
394 [03:53:56] <JordiGH> In a separate drive that I won't
have to turn in after I leave this job.
395 [03:54:14] <ksk> but mounting it on the work laptop, and
accessing that mount, will likewise be a policy violation - if there
is such a policy :>
396 [03:54:33] <JordiGH> Nah, they're just gonna want the
laptop back after I leave.
397 [03:54:34] <dvs> no kidding
398 [03:54:40] <JordiGH> It's not that formal.
399 [03:54:52] <JordiGH> I wanna keep it separate, okay?
400 [03:54:57] <ksk> so, delete the stuff? It was normal here,
that IT dudes only give back wiped hardware..
401 [03:55:07] <ksk> okay.
402 [03:55:53] <JordiGH> I need to figure out that uefi stuff
again, that really must be it.
403 [03:56:16] <ksk> I could understand that for things like
"I wanna watch that video on my new laptop" but rather not
for "I want to run old programmes, that used to run in my old
desktop"
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530 [05:30:01] <N0Lif3> strange, you have the option to open a
".deb" file with Apper, but if you try to do it to install
the package, nothing happens
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532 [05:31:42] <N0Lif3> I don't feel like I should be
obligated to google the dpkg install terminal command on the rare
occasion I have to do this.
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534 [05:33:44] * themill has no idea what apper is, but gdebi works
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536 [05:33:59] <N0Lif3> my god, why is debian still so backwards?
537 [05:34:30] <themill> Debian is backwards because you've
installed some program that we don't know about?
538 [05:34:48] <N0Lif3> I come to revisit debian every so often
and they can't even automatically configure the primary user of
the computer to the Sudoers list
539 [05:35:12] <themill> um, that's automatic if you
don't set a root password, exactly as it says in the installer
540 [05:35:18] <N0Lif3> I think it's stupid how you have to
spend several hours in the terminal to configure a Debian
installation
541 [05:35:28] <themill> send patches.
542 [05:35:36] <themill> Bored now.
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544 [05:40:12] <N0Lif3> I did set a root password.
545 [05:41:28] <N0Lif3> debian has done nothing to fix the fact
that you're obligated to bust out the terminal and edit system
files to get the machine WORKING
546 [05:41:53] <themill> Are you finished or are you going to do
something useful about this?
547 [05:42:12] <N0Lif3> that's my feedback
548 [05:42:18] <themill> which is useless
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550 [05:42:46] <themill> So are you going to do something
meaningful about this or do you just want to rant?
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559 [05:48:24] <N0Lif3> it's not, how about 1.) not giving
the user the option to open a deb with Apper, since it does nothing.
2.) Automatically add user to the Sudoers list 3.) Make Wine work
from the software manager alone, you're forced to use a command
outside of the to get Wine32. That's just in the short while
I've installed debian.
560 [05:48:58] <themill> No seriously, it's not useful to
have people ranting in #debian. You may as well do so in /dev/null
561 [05:49:35] <themill> If you want bug to be fixed, you have to
report them to the bts.
562 [05:49:44] <N0Lif3> where's bts
563 [05:49:46] <themill> Also, (2) is your lack of reading.
564 [05:50:11] <themill> (1) is because KDE has designed Apper
for KDE management not for Debian packages.
565 [05:50:27] <N0Lif3> why is it a default option then?
566 [05:50:36] <themill> no idea, it's crap
567 [05:50:58] <themill> it's probably good for installing
kde themes etc
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599 [06:18:08] <over7head> what repository i need in stretch for
firmware-realtek and firmware-intel ?
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601 [06:18:34] <over7head> i found only for jessie on google
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604 [06:20:17] <over7head> i found it
605 [06:20:21] <over7head> forget
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615 [06:24:26] <over7head> when i delete an repository from
spources.list will apt update remove that source tree?
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618 [06:25:38] <over7head> i just want ot use x repository
temporary for one packgae, and i must run apt update after add it
619 [06:26:02] <over7head> so when i install package and remove
repo... will it be updated nest time
620 [06:26:34] <Antioch> Does anyone know where I can find the
docker-default apparmor profile? Docs say it should be in
/etc/apparmor.d/ but it's not.
621 [06:27:09] <over7head> in other words, does "apt
update" clears previously updated repos if they are removed ?
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627 [06:31:14] <diogenes_> Antioch, find / -type f 2>/dev/null
| grep --color=always docker
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633 [06:34:20] <agio> over7head: yes, it should remove the
entries from /var/lib/apt/lists, you can show your configured
sources with: apt-cache policy
634 [06:35:15] <Antioch> the profile is supposedly called
"docker-default" but find doesn't hit anything
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636 [06:36:40] <diogenes_> look for docker ocurrences if
there's nothin then there's nothing
637 [06:36:40] <over7head> agio thanks
638 [06:37:15] <agio> np
639 [06:37:34] <Antioch> but apparmor (aa-status) says the
profile is loaded
640 [06:37:37] <over7head> is there a way to dont install some
xorg parts... iv try to hold amd radeon and wayland and now it cant
install xorg because xorg-server-core cant be installed
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643 [06:39:55] <over7head> i can unhold them, but i will like to
avoid amd and nvidia drivers
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647 [06:42:36] <over7head> xorg depends on mesa dri, mesa dri
depends on amd noveau and radeon
648 [06:42:42] <over7head> i need only intel
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653 [06:46:53] <over7head> seems only building xorg can solve
those deps :(
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704 [07:43:48] <SwK> anyone know the work around for this error
on deb 8 with a asrockrack mobo? "EFI variables are not
supported on this system"
705 [07:44:08] <SwK> efivars lkm is loaded
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746 [07:56:07] <akabuddy> im trying to compile a program and im
getting fatal error: hid.h: No such file or directory, this file
seems to be on my system. im not real familiar with what to do
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753 [07:58:28] <shtrb> ,file hid.h
754 [07:58:32] <judd> Search for hid.h in stretch/amd64:
[truncated] linux-libc-dev: usr/include/linux/hid.h,
usr/include/linux/uhid.h; linux-libc-dev-arm64-cross:
usr/aarch64-linux-gnu/include/linux/hid.h,
usr/aarch64-linux-gnu/include/linux/uhid.h;
linux-libc-dev-armhf-cross:
usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include/linux/hid.h,
usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include/linux/uhid.h;
linux-libc-dev-alpha-cross: usr/alpha-linux-
755 [07:58:33] <judd> gnu/include/linux/hid.h,
usr/alpha-linux-gnu/include/linux/uhid.h;
linux-libc-dev-mips64-cross:
usr/mips64-linux-gnuabi64/include/linux/hid.h;
linux-libc-dev-hppa-cross: usr/hppa-linux-gnu/include/linux/hid.h,
usr/hppa-linux-gnu/include/linux/uhid.h; linux-libc-dev-armel-cross:
usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/include/linux/hid.h,
usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/include/linux/uhid.h;
linux-libc-dev-m68k-cross: usr (2 more messages)
756 [07:58:44] <shtrb> akabuddy, ^
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759 [08:00:05] <akabuddy> ok, what should i do with this info ?
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761 [08:00:29] <shtrb> install libc-dev for your arch
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763 [08:01:20] <shtrb> Sorry, didn't have my tea yet. you
had that file and you just adjust your include path to list it.
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780 [08:11:34] <akabuddy> shtrb yea im still having issues, ill
have to come back. its source from a few years ago for hardware that
long discontinued
781 [08:11:55] <shtrb> it could be that your build system need an
update
782 [08:12:16] <akabuddy> i just installed most of it today to do
just this
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793 [08:20:59] <shtrb> CMake , autoconf ? make file ? what is
your build system
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798 [08:24:52] <gokuls> Hi Room i am trying to port Debian on HP
Tablet device but camera is not working - HP Camera sensor ov2722
799 [08:25:05] <gokuls> any help
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803 [08:27:14] <diogenes_> gokuls, maybe you need the non-free
iso or even a newer kernel.
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806 [08:28:44] <gokuls> diogenes_, i am running it on 4.17.19
807 [08:29:23] <gokuls> also tried it on 4.14.104
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810 [08:33:10] <shtrb> gokuls, is it listed in lsusb ?
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812 [08:33:41] <jelly> that will be a device-specific driver
issue, if the device supports _any_ linux you may try using their
kernel
813 [08:34:11] <shtrb> and did you add non-free repo for apt,
this device is listed from android 4 so it should be supported in
modern kernel
814 [08:34:52] <gokuls> shtrb, no its not listed in lsusb
815 [08:35:07] <shtrb> jelly, if it's listed in
replaced-url
816 [08:35:18] <shtrb> gokuls, do you get any errors in dmesg -T
?
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818 [08:36:00] <jelly> shtrb: debian != android
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821 [08:36:13] <shtrb> What ? no ! I thought it's the same
822 [08:37:21] <jelly> device driver may exist but connectivity
might not be solved (usb? i2c? something else?)
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824 [08:38:11] <gokuls> let me post the dmesg errors
825 [08:38:12] <shtrb> gokuls, can you list your lsusb and lspci
output in paste.debian.net
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827 [08:38:23] <shtrb> and the errors also in paste.debian.et
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829 [08:38:41] <gokuls> shtrb, sure
830 [08:39:58] <jelly> best bet is to hunt for device support for
_any_ linux distro (not android) on web and use their solutions
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834 [08:42:04] <shtrb> ,v file ov2722.c
835 [08:42:05] <judd> Package: file on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; jessie:
1:5.22+15-2+deb8u4; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch:
1:5.30-1+deb9u2; sid: 1:5.35-2; buster: 1:5.35-4
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839 [08:43:25] <shtrb> ,v file ov2722.ko
840 [08:43:26] <judd> Package: file on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; jessie:
1:5.22+15-2+deb8u4; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch:
1:5.30-1+deb9u2; sid: 1:5.35-2; buster: 1:5.35-4
841 [08:43:49] <shtrb> shouldn't judd list the package name
here ?
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844 [08:45:09] <jelly> tell it just ,file
845 [08:45:22] <jelly> no v
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852 [08:46:57] <shtrb> ,file ov2722.ko
853 [08:47:01] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
854 [08:47:06] <shtrb> thanks jelly
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857 [08:48:32] <gokuls> shtrb,
replaced-url
858 [08:48:40] <gokuls> output of lspci and lsusb
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860 [08:49:18] <jelly> that "i2c/" in source path is a
clue the device might be connected over i2c
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865 [08:53:05] <gokuls> shtrb,
replaced-url
866 [08:53:10] <gokuls> jelly,
replaced-url
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868 [08:54:15] <jelly> so the driver is present and detects
something, but does not quite set things up properly
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871 [08:56:57] <gokuls> as per driver TODO there is a limitation
check
replaced-url
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874 [08:57:42] <gokuls> if it uses acpi
875 [08:59:53] <gokuls>
replaced-url
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881 [09:06:20] <gokuls> Any help
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895 [09:13:18] <bingbotboom> sup
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1098 [11:48:57] <jpcooper> Hello. I see that the gcc-doc package
is non-free. Where can I find out why this is?
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1143 [12:22:14] <tomreyn> jpcooper:
replaced-url
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1146 [12:23:26] <tomreyn> jpcooper: gcc-doc (also according to the
packages.debian.org website) depends on
replaced-url
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1148 [12:24:12] <tomreyn> you could also use "apt
depends" and "apt show" to gather this information on
your terminal.
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1154 [12:28:30] <wwilliam> hello
1155 [12:28:51] <wwilliam> this is not a debian question but i
know someone here could help....
1156 [12:29:03] <wwilliam> can anyone point why this command is
not rsyncing 'Cantor/Confirms/*.pdf'?
1157 [12:29:13] <wwilliam> rsync -avzhe 'ssh' --include
'*.pdf' --include 'Cantor/Confirms/*.pdf'
--exclude '*' root@10.2.0.137:/week46/tmp.rpt/ .
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1159 [12:31:00] <wwilliam> I only need the pdfs in
/week46/tmp.rpt/ and the pdfs in /week46/tmp.rpt/Cantor/Confirms/
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1165 [12:39:00] <jpcooper> Thanks tomreyn
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1167 [12:39:57] <jpcooper> tomreyn: Is it possible to enable
non-free and contrib on a per-package basis?
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1170 [12:41:11] <tomreyn> jpcooper: you can use apt pinning
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1179 [12:46:49] <jpcooper> Thanks
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1253 [13:39:51] <areyouloco> silly steps report: i was wondering
why my raspbian sd card is dd'ing so long and why my system is
so slow because of that and then I realise I was making image of my
primary drive to my primary drive. I am happy I realised after 10GB
passed. HINT: check 5 times the source and destination of dd.
1254 [13:40:59] <Haohmaru> i always blink for 10 seconds before
hitting Enter on a linux terminal with root privileges
1255 [13:43:08] <areyouloco> Haohmaru: echo "Great
move!" && rm -Rv / ? :D
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1272 [13:50:46] <babilen5> areyouloco: fwiw, if all you want is an
image of the entire drive you can use cp in lieu of dd and enjoy a
much simpler syntax and automatic blocksize scaling
1273 [13:51:46] <areyouloco> babilen5: thx but I want strictly
image to be able to restore it as is
1274 [13:52:05] <babilen5> Yes, exactly
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1276 [13:52:14] <babilen5> Why would using cp prevent you from
that?
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1278 [13:52:43] <babilen5> "cp /dev/foo foo.img" is all
you need. dd doesn't have any superpowers
1279 [13:52:49] <babilen5> "everything is a file"
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1288 [13:55:59] <queip> from shell, how to send a short text
email? I have a real email account on some server that I wish to use
for the sending (it uses TLS in SMTP, and I have password and
username for it)
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1292 [13:56:21] <mutante> queip: echo | mail ...
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1296 [13:57:05] <mutante> queip: oh, eh. ok. well that will only
work after the local mail system is already configured to use that
external server.. nevermind
1297 [13:57:27] <vlt> queip: ssmtp could be such a system.
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1301 [13:59:01] <queip> mutante: can that be easily configured?
can I just paste somewhere the credentials of the 1 account on
"real email server"?
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1303 [13:59:20] <queip> vlt: well I do not want to set up full
elaborated email server on such compute, it is quite a lot of work
1304 [13:59:28] <colo-work> ssmtp isn't in buster any more,
afair
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1306 [13:59:39] <colo-work> ,v ssmtp
1307 [13:59:40] <judd> Package: ssmtp on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.64-7;
jessie: 2.64-8; sid: 2.64-8+b2; stretch: 2.64-8+b2
1308 [13:59:47] <colo-work> ,v nullmailer
1309 [13:59:48] <judd> Package: nullmailer on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:1.11-2; jessie: 1:1.13-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1:1.13-1.2;
stretch-backports: 1:2.1-7~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.2-3; sid: 1:2.2-3
1310 [13:59:55] <colo-work> might be a choice better
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1312 [14:00:23] <ttewr> Hello, somehow I get very slow write speed
for my SSD(Luks2):
replaced-url
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1316 [14:01:05] <queip> so there is no command line SMTP (+TLS)
client then?
1317 [14:01:20] <queip> nullmailer seems something complex too,
with writting down IP of clients on the server... wat
1318 [14:01:22] <mutante> queip: maybe "mutt" then
1319 [14:01:31] <mutante> that is commandline and should be able
to
1320 [14:01:34] <queip> mutante: it can work in batch mode, in
script?
1321 [14:01:43] <mutante> i dont think so :/
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1326 [14:02:33] <vlt> queip: Well, if you "do not want to set
up full elaborated email server" then ssmtp/nullmailer might be
exactly what you need.
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1328 [14:02:43] <mutante> queip: you gotta use openssl client
manually. like at
replaced-url
1329 [14:03:21] <mutante> or what vlt said
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1375 [14:20:20] <bedah> hi, i have a strange problem with inkscape
on shell in debian 9:
replaced-url
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1380 [14:27:47] <colo-work> bedah, what is the problem in
particular?
1381 [14:27:57] <colo-work> (the GTK warnings are nothing out of
the ordinary, afaik)
1382 [14:28:54] <bedah> ah ok. so this warning is only a
distraction. then the problem is somewhere in php/apache2/etc, where
this gets called, there is another error
1383 [14:29:21] <bedah> "error while loading shared
libraries: libgraphite2.so.3: failed to map segment from shared
object "
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1385 [14:30:30] <bedah> but thanks for your hint concerning the
GTK warning
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1387 [14:31:08] <bedah> "CRITICAL **" is a bit
hysterical for a warning ;D
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1454 [15:14:43] <kreyren> i'm getting ```/bin/bash: error
while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.8: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory``` when i invoke `chroot
/mnt/gentoo /bin/bash` assuming that
/mnt/gentoo/lib64/libreadline.so.8 is present i suspect that
it's debian missing this lib which is confirmed in /lib* ->
What is the correct COA to fix it? Seems that this lib is deprecated
in debian ->
1455 [15:14:48] <kreyren> Should i copy it from gentoo?
1456 [15:15:42] <mawk> your stuff is weird
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1458 [15:15:47] <kreyren> wut
1459 [15:15:47] <mawk> it should load libs from the chroot
1460 [15:15:52] <mawk> not from the parent
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1462 [15:15:56] <mawk> unless I missed an episode on chroot()
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1464 [15:16:28] <mawk> the /sbin/chroot binary does chroot() to
the directory, the directory becomes the new /, the new ld.so is
used, the new libs are used
1465 [15:16:31] <greycat> Your gentoo chroot should contain a
gentoo bash and a gentoo libc and a gentoo readline and it should
all work together.
1466 [15:16:31] <mawk> not the parent's libs
1467 [15:16:52] <kreyren> checking ty for info
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1474 [15:18:58] <kreyren> confirmed gentoo issue.
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1478 [15:19:50] <mawk> well a chroot isn't a classic
environment kreyren
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1480 [15:20:07] <mawk> it's not sufficent to boot a system
(in a container fashion)
1481 [15:20:17] <mawk> but such errors must come from the
underlying distro yes
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1518 [15:38:53] <JustASlacker> Im too stupid to install debian
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1520 [15:39:28] <jelly> that's how we filter only the smart
users
1521 [15:39:34] * JustASlacker nods
1522 [15:39:44] <JustASlacker> sensible approach
1523 [15:40:29] <ksk> I think if you just want to install
"default debian" you can press "next" on like
every installer page - just like installing M$ windows ;)
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1525 [15:42:22] <JustASlacker> I dont see any disks is my problem
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1528 [15:44:36] <Tenkawa> JustASlacker: dont see "any"?
1529 [15:44:45] <JustASlacker> the installer does not see them
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1531 [15:44:48] <Tenkawa> what kind of computer?
1532 [15:44:56] <JustASlacker> I can drop into the shell and see
sda and sdb
1533 [15:45:13] <JustASlacker> some supermicro crap
1534 [15:45:18] <Tenkawa> ahhhhhh
1535 [15:45:34] <Tenkawa> you have them in use already
1536 [15:45:39] <JustASlacker> how so?
1537 [15:45:55] <Tenkawa> which media did you boot from?
1538 [15:45:59] <JustASlacker> I mean, its a system that was in
use before
1539 [15:46:02] <JustASlacker> cd-ron
1540 [15:46:05] <JustASlacker> cd-rom even
1541 [15:46:10] <colo-work> my old pal ron!
1542 [15:46:20] <JustASlacker> yeah, everybody likes ron
1543 [15:46:26] <ksk> ronald weasly?
1544 [15:46:49] <colo-work> JustASlacker, what do you have in
/sys/block/? more than those two?
1545 [15:46:51] <Tenkawa> right... in the installer did you select
simple or manual?
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1547 [15:47:04] <colo-work> (and what kind of device are you
_expecting_ to see?)
1548 [15:47:33] <Tenkawa> colo-work: it probably is wanting to
install it along aside the rest
1549 [15:47:48] <JustASlacker> Tenkawa: simple or manual for the
partitioning? I dont see that
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1551 [15:48:04] <JustASlacker> colo-work: well, Id like to see sda
and sdb :)
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1553 [15:49:02] <throwthecheese> Can somebody tell me how can I
supress the OSD LOCKED messages on my LG monitor permanently?
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1556 [15:50:28] <Tenkawa> let me grab my installer just a sec
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1558 [15:51:19] <Tenkawa> debian installer should ask you
questions before you even get to the disk stage
1559 [15:52:30] <JustASlacker> it goes "Detect disk" and
in the partition menu,the only option is iscsi
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1561 [15:52:46] <Tenkawa> ahhh
1562 [15:52:48] <Tenkawa> ok
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1564 [15:52:58] <Tenkawa> so it did get to that point
1565 [15:53:11] <Tenkawa> hmmm
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1567 [15:53:40] <JustASlacker> then I was like O_o
1568 [15:53:44] <JustASlacker> and got me a shell
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1571 [15:53:53] <Tenkawa> in that shell
1572 [15:53:54] <JustASlacker> and fdisk -l shows sda and sdb
1573 [15:54:02] <JustASlacker> so I went to parted
1574 [15:54:12] <Tenkawa> do a df -m
1575 [15:54:18] <babilen5> Which installer do you use?
1576 [15:54:27] <JustASlacker> all of them
1577 [15:54:28] <Tenkawa> babilen5: also a good q
1578 [15:54:56] <Tenkawa> JustASlacker: it didnt try to mount to
mount those inadvertantly did it?
1579 [15:55:05] <babilen5> all of them?
1580 [15:55:16] <babilen5> I doubt that .. can you be more
specific?
1581 [15:55:24] <Tenkawa> babilen5: i asked him to do a df -m
1582 [15:55:33] <Tenkawa> to see if sda and sdb were mounted
1583 [15:55:43] <Tenkawa> the partitions
1584 [15:55:56] <JustASlacker> Im not on the system anymore. right
now Im updating my cv and looking for a new job raising pigs
1585 [15:55:58] <Tenkawa> sometimes automount
1586 [15:56:08] <JustASlacker> I try again later
1587 [15:56:11] <Tenkawa> ok
1588 [15:56:13] <JustASlacker> but thanks :)
1589 [15:56:18] <Tenkawa> good luck
1590 [15:56:27] <JustASlacker> with the pig job you mean?
1591 [15:56:35] <Tenkawa> all of it
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1593 [15:56:39] * JustASlacker nods
1594 [15:56:42] <JustASlacker> thanks
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1596 [15:57:06] * Tenkawa knows the frustration
1597 [15:57:14] * Tenkawa notes both
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1599 [15:57:32] <JustASlacker> well, coworker is trying again
later. otherwise I try again on monday
1600 [15:57:36] <JustASlacker> also, ipmi sucks
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1602 [15:57:41] * Tenkawa grew up in a tomato farming family
1603 [15:57:47] <JustASlacker> sounds nice
1604 [15:58:02] <Tenkawa> not 200 acres 25 years ago
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1606 [15:58:46] <Tenkawa> didnt even have a atv wheeler till I was
a teen
1607 [15:59:21] <JustASlacker> yeah there is that whole hard labor
thingy, which is a bummer
1608 [15:59:36] <Tenkawa> yeah but it I learned a lot
1609 [16:00:01] <Tenkawa> and I had great family teaching me
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1613 [16:00:22] <Tenkawa> that helps tons
1614 [16:00:42] <Tenkawa> btw... theres debug flags you can turn
on for the boot
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1616 [16:00:59] <Tenkawa> add verbose to the cmdline
1617 [16:01:13] <Tenkawa> that might help figure out where the
partitions are going
1618 [16:02:04] <Tenkawa> in dmesg something might indicate whats
causing/triggering a problem
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1622 [16:02:51] <otyugh> hey there. I'm stuck on the usage of
live-build recently. Everything work but the installer. When trying
to start it I get the following warning "Error:
'/install/gtk/vmlinuz' not found". I don't know
what to do :(
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1624 [16:06:22] <JustASlacker> Tenkawa: thx. as I said, Ill
probably wrestle with it on monday
1625 [16:06:30] <JustASlacker> for now its weekend \o/
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1627 [16:06:48] <dropkick500> Reading up on it, i'm guessing
it might have something to do with grub? GO ahead and run sudo
update-grub and see what happens
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1642 [16:14:22] <jhutchins_wk> otyugh: The installer on the live
images has been known to have problems. We recommend using either
the main DVD image or the Netinstall image.
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1650 [16:20:20] <shtrb> how can I find when a file/package was
removed ? tpacpi-bat and acpi-call
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1652 [16:20:39] <greycat> there's /var/log/dpkg.log*
1653 [16:20:48] <shtrb> from debian I mean
1654 [16:20:53] <shtrb> *from the repository
1655 [16:21:02] <greycat> ,v tpacpi-bat
1656 [16:21:04] <judd> No package named 'tpacpi-bat' was
found in amd64.
1657 [16:21:08] <greycat> "long time ago"
1658 [16:21:15] <shtrb> ,v file tpaci-bat
1659 [16:21:16] <judd> Package: file on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; jessie:
1:5.22+15-2+deb8u4; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch:
1:5.30-1+deb9u2; sid: 1:5.35-2; buster: 1:5.35-4
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1661 [16:21:21] <shtrb> ,file tpacpi-bat
1662 [16:21:24] <judd> Search for tpacpi-bat in stretch/amd64:
tlp: usr/share/tlp-pm/tpacpi-bat
1663 [16:21:51] <greycat> "you didn't get the right
package name"
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1665 [16:22:12] * shtrb facepalm
1666 [16:22:13] <shtrb> sorry
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1668 [16:22:30] <shtrb> ,v acpi-call
1669 [16:22:32] <judd> No package named 'acpi-call' was
found in amd64.
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1671 [16:22:34] <shtrb> ,v acpicall
1672 [16:22:35] <judd> No package named 'acpicall' was
found in amd64.
1673 [16:23:00] <jelly> are you looking for packages or files?
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1677 [16:23:27] <shtrb> package, this perl script need acpi-call
to work
1678 [16:23:28] <otyugh> jhutchins_wk argh. Okay, thanks
1679 [16:23:35] <shtrb> maybe it was just merged into tlp
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1682 [16:24:28] <shtrb> Ok , I got my answer , "# Supports
2011-released thinkpads" the file was not updated for a whie
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1685 [16:26:17] <jelly> it is unlikely that a random script needs
a _package_
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1693 [16:27:46] <Mathisen> for the future "apt-file search
foobar" can come in handy
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1696 [16:28:23] <shtrb> Mathisen, lest I checked it was only with
the mirrors you have. I was searching when it was gone from support
(when in fact it was just not updated)
1697 [16:28:32] <shtrb> I was searching wrong
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1705 [16:30:29] <shtrb> !acpi_call
1706 [16:30:48] <shtrb> dpkg, acpi_call is you need to find
acpi_call_dkms and maybe tlp
1707 [16:30:49] <dpkg> shtrb: okay
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1711 [16:30:54] <shtrb> !acpi_call
1712 [16:30:54] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, acpi_call
is you need to find acpi_call_dkms and maybe tlp
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1715 [16:31:31] <shtrb> thanks jelly and Mathisen I have found
what I needed
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1728 [16:36:26] <shtrb> Anyone can explain in laymen terms what on
earth is "inhibit charge" ? <tlp>
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1731 [16:37:23] <shtrb> from the manual <inhibit> 1 for
inhibit charge, 0 for stop inhibiting charge.
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1741 [16:41:47] <trysten> shtrb: if it's what it looks to be,
enable inhibit_charge to prevent your device from charging
1742 [16:42:03] <shtrb> but what is this thing ?
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1744 [16:42:46] <jelly> "stop filling battery with trickle
charge because it destroys it long term"
1745 [16:43:20] <jelly> (implication) "when you know the
system's going to be on AC power for a long time anyway"
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1747 [16:43:44] <rwp> When the battery becomes full then extra
charge can only be converted into heat. Or the battery must out-gas
loosing chemistry. Therefore stop doing that.
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1749 [16:44:27] <jelly> smarter OSes usually make the cutoff point
at 80-85-90% of full charge
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1753 [16:45:49] <shtrb> thanks , I think firmware is too damn
smart as it will not charge the laptop while it's above 95%
even if it's plugged in. so it will drop charge to 95% charge
to 100% and stop charging again
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1756 [16:46:24] <jelly> it's usually not that smart.
1757 [16:47:54] <trysten> one would hope there are dedicated
circuts to keep each lithium cell from actually overcharging.
1758 [16:48:35] <shtrb> Now with the limited charge cycles (300
per battery) you wish to lower it as much as possible
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1766 [16:52:12] <rwp> One of the charge problems is detecting that
a battery is fully charged. One of the ways is looking for the
voltage curve to peek and then drop. If starting at 98% it is very
hard to tell if the battery has reached 100% and what happens is it
keeps charging until the temperature rises due to the overcharge.
Therefore it is better to start from a lower charge so that it can
detect the voltage peak and stop at full without going past.
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1773 [16:54:52] <shtrb> this I kindd of know (the three step
charge), my problem is that I don't wish to let it drop while
plugged into AC
1774 [16:55:50] <shtrb> I have seen a "workaround"
comment, that said if you are going to be plugged to a socket for a
long time just remove the battery which I have mental issues with
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1779 [16:58:42] <trysten> How could I pin all contrib and non-free
packages such they won't be displayed in aptitude
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1793 [17:04:28] <diogenes_> trysten, in aptitude you can lock them
too
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1841 [17:34:04] <rsully> does networkmanager only write
/etc/resolv.conf if dns-nameservers is set or if dhcp sets it?
1842 [17:34:57] <rsully> from a debootstrap am I safe to write
resolv.conf to setup dns, or is something going to overwrite it?
1843 [17:34:58] <greycat> !override dns
1844 [17:34:59] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch
/etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that
file. See
replaced-url
1845 [17:35:31] <rsully> thanks will read
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1849 [17:37:41] <rsully> OK I think I got it. Regardless of
configuring resolvconf.conf, I should _generally_ be safe if
etc/networks is setup for static and no dns-nameserver entry is
present?
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1854 [17:39:29] <greycat> .. what
1855 [17:40:07] <greycat> If you did not take any specific steps
to protect your resolv.conf, you should just assume that it will be
changed every 5 seconds by the whimsy of 37 different daemons.
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1857 [17:40:31] <mvanorder> I'm trying to install Citrix
receiver on Debian testing, it appears that libwebkit and
libwebkitgtk has been removed from the repository. While webkit2 is
still there, I'm reading that webkit2 is a completely different
API(also different from webkit 2.x which is the newer version of
webkit).
1858 [17:40:47] <greycat> I don't even know what you meant by
"safe".
1859 [17:41:00] <mvanorder> Can I simply download the debian 9
.deb files for webkit and install them?
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1861 [17:41:31] <rsully> greycat this is a debootstrap
installation, I am configuring a static network via
/etc/network/interfaces
1862 [17:41:40] <greycat> But what result do you want?
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1865 [17:42:30] <rsully> I want to simply be able to write a
nameserver line into /etc/resolv.conf and be confident nothing is
going to touch it. It sounds like since I am specifying the
interface manually in the interfaces file that NetworkManager will
not do anything, and there is no dhcp so dhclient I suspect
won't be ran
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1868 [17:42:58] <rsully> this is on a server, manual installation
from debootstrap
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1870 [17:43:06] <greycat> If the interface is configured in /e/n/i
then Network-Manager shouldn't touch it, but then again, why
would you have N-M installed at all? Just remove it.
1871 [17:43:32] <rsully> Well I'm a little surprised a
debootstrap included it in the first place TBH
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1879 [17:48:20] <ksk> which variant did you choose to debootstrap?
I can assure you its not part of "minbase".
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1885 [17:52:36] <over7head> My network is extremely slow... apt
downloads with 40kb speed
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1888 [17:53:50] <over7head> Ive set up nameserver in resolv.conf
and 127.0.0.1 for licalhost and 127.0.1.1 for domain name in hosts
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1890 [17:54:06] <rsully> ksk it was simply a "debootstrap
stretch /mnt" - is there page I can read up on varients?
1891 [17:54:18] <over7head> Iv revee auto eth0 because im using
only wireless
1892 [17:54:26] <over7head> What should i check?
1893 [17:56:18] <diogenes_> over7head, the speedtest first and
also if no one else is using your bandwidth, noways phones use way
more bandwidth than laptops
1894 [17:57:06] <over7head> No network speed has no problems... iv
just rebooted in other distro and ther it works fine
1895 [17:57:24] <greycat> Firmware? Drivers?
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1898 [17:57:34] <diogenes_> over7head, then the resolver could be
also the mirror
1899 [17:57:47] <ksk> rsully: man debootstrap, search for
variant..
1900 [17:58:02] <ksk> not sure if it says which parts each variant
contains though.
1901 [17:58:04] <rsully> ksk yeah got it, do you know where the
scripts are so I can see the exact full package list used for each?
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1903 [17:58:27] <ksk> no sorry. maybe dpkg -L debootstrap helps
(it lists all files the package comes with)
1904 [17:59:03] <over7head> I have
replaced-url
1905 [17:59:37] <greycat> Is it *only* the Debian mirror
that's slow, or is it all sites?
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1907 [18:00:08] <diogenes_> over7head, and what about the internet
speed in general apart from terminal, try to wgen something or git
clone or even download something on browser
1908 [18:00:23] <diogenes_> wget*
1909 [18:00:44] <over7head> Will try.. just installed browser
after 15 mins of apting it
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1911 [18:01:12] <over7head> Seems works fine
1912 [18:01:59] <over7head> But not graphic driver
1913 [18:02:14] <diogenes_> over7head, you could try one trick
1914 [18:02:28] <ksk> did you configure a bandwith limit for apt?
did not read your inital statement..
1915 [18:02:32] <diogenes_> pastebin: cat /etc/nsswitch.conf
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1919 [18:04:08] <over7head> What trick?
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1921 [18:04:35] <over7head> I didnt configure anything what wasnt
be noticed in documentation
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1923 [18:04:58] <diogenes_> over7head, edit that file and add
this: hosts: files mdns4_minimal resolve ...
1924 [18:05:31] <diogenes_> so you add resolve to the hosts: in
nsswitch,conf but after files mdns4_minimal resolve
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1926 [18:05:50] <diogenes_> then reboot, that tricked has fixed a
past issue with slow speen in terminal
1927 [18:05:59] <diogenes_> speed*
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1933 [18:08:58] <over7head__> im back
1934 [18:09:09] <over7head__> was on mobile and didnt see what U
suggested me
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1944 [18:12:40] <over7head__> ive make just 2 configs, one i
/etc/hosts "127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.1.1 d"
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1946 [18:13:00] <over7head__> and second is /etc/resolv.conf
"nameserver 192.168.8.1"
1947 [18:13:05] <greycat> None of that dns stuff MATTERS once the
hostname has been resolved and the connection made.
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1949 [18:13:41] <over7head__> what matter then?
1950 [18:13:49] <greycat> If you were debugging an
initial-connection latency issue, then sure, that would be
important. But you seem to be debugging a sustained throughput
issue.
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1955 [18:19:36] <ksk> over7head__: what happens if you download a
bigger package from ftp.us.debian.org via wget? :>
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1964 [18:25:09] <rsully> Does anyone know what package
network-manager is required by for a base install? I'm looking
through the debootstrap script, and it looks like a base install
just grabs everything with priority marked as Important, but
network-manager is not on that list
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1966 [18:25:32] <rsully> Can I easily get a list of all packages
requiring network-manager?
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1969 [18:27:49] <rsully> ah `apt-cache rdepends network-manager`
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1971 [18:28:54] <rsully> meh that includes things that are listed
as Enhances and not true required
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1974 [18:30:02] <rsully> `apt-cache --no-recommends --no-suggests
--no-conflicts --no-breaks --no-replaces --no-enhances rdepends
network-manager` heh
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1978 [18:31:11] <rsully> none of the packages listed there are
marked as Important, so I don't understand why network-manager
is being installed still
1979 [18:31:29] <ksk> if you have aptitude: aptitude why
network-manager
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1981 [18:31:42] <ksk> (not sure if it helps, as apt-cache did
not..)
1982 [18:31:52] <jhutchins_wk> rsully: Try removing it and see
what wants to be removed with it.
1983 [18:32:35] <rsully> jhutchins_wk good call
1984 [18:33:04] <rsully> so here's a wtf: network-manager is
*not* installed, but /etc/resolv.conf says "# Generated by
NetworkManager"
1985 [18:34:16] <greycat> Also check whether /etc/resolv.conf is a
file or a symlink.
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1988 [18:35:00] <rsully> definitely a file
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1993 [18:35:48] <greycat> It might not be possible to discover how
things got to that state, so I wouldn't waste a lot of time
trying.
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1995 [18:38:25] <shtrb> rsully, one of the desktop tasks ?
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1999 [18:40:16] <jhutchins_wk> rsully: Did you uninstall NM, or
was it never installed?
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2001 [18:40:44] <rsully> jhutchins_wk never was installed
apparently, I thought it was based on that comment
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2004 [18:41:46] <rsully> greycat this is a new install, and I plan
on redoing it again from scratch to finalize it, this is my trial
install - so figuring out how it got into this state would be
important for me
2005 [18:42:10] <rsully> shtrb this is a headless box, no gui or
anything installed, just a base install from debootstrap
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2009 [18:43:55] <over7head> somethings not right with my hardware
acceleration
2010 [18:44:02] <jhutchins_wk> rsully: resolv.conf is usually
generated fromm the nameserver supplied through DHCP.
2011 [18:44:10] <over7head> i have intel driver installed
2012 [18:44:16] <greycat> except when it isn't
2013 [18:44:40] <over7head> i switch console and try to kill x to
be able configure x but there is lightdm active and i cant configure
X
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2016 [18:45:05] <greycat> Ctrl-Alt-F2, login as root, systemctl
stop lightdm
2017 [18:45:55] <trysten> I'm using virtualbox and I made a
vmdk that access a local partition. But I can't run it with
virtualbox because it needs root permissions
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2019 [18:46:11] <trysten> What's a good way to get disk-rw to
virtualbox?
2020 [18:46:27] <rsully> jhutchins_wk this box has never had dhcp
enabled, the interface was configured statically from the very first
boot
2021 [18:46:43] <rsully> but it makes no sense that the comment
would say NetworkManager when the package has never been installed
2022 [18:47:52] <ctcx> I used Debian live cd -as normal user- to
look for some non-English comics, which due to their nature must be
searched through download websites and one knows about the risks.
2023 [18:47:57] <ctcx> Found them, deleted <all> browser
data, either profile and cache, and checked the files. Now to copy
to the PC's host OS, which turns to be Win10. Would be just
matter of click the partition in file manager to mount it.
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2025 [18:48:03] <ctcx> But here the paranoia, am I really safe by
hust having deleted all browser data, or could some hidden bad stuff
have filtered somewhere to Debian system and now I'm in risk of
infecting Win partition? This, assuming the files were well checked
and no malware.
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2027 [18:48:55] <ksk> ctcx: are you for real? why dont you just
copy over the media files and be done with that? :o
2028 [18:49:05] <ksk> also, windows can mount linux filesystems?
Did not know that.
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2030 [18:49:12] <trysten> It cannot
2031 [18:49:36] <ksk> so, your question then absolutely makes no
sense ctcx, as windows cannot mount linux filesystems.
2032 [18:50:10] <rsully> I read it as mounting the windows
partiton to linux
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2034 [18:50:48] <ksk> ah okay. then I dont even see a remote
danger, apart from the media files themselves being a danger..
2035 [18:50:58] <trysten> ctcx: right. Don't worry about the
browser data, just copy exactly the media files you need
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2037 [18:51:21] <over7head> Now i cant do nothing
2038 [18:51:21] <ctcx> >Now to copy to the PC's host OS,
which turns to be Win10. Would be just matter of click the partition
in file manager to mount it. *I mean in the Debian live cd*!
2039 [18:51:33] <over7head> My keyboard doesnt work in xdm
2040 [18:51:50] <over7head> And i cant use ctrl alt f2 anzmore
2041 [18:51:54] <trysten> if they are audio/video and you use
reliable open-source tools to open them I wouldn't worry, ctcx
2042 [18:52:04] <trysten> over7head: how did you break it?
2043 [18:52:14] <shtrb> ksk , windows can mount EXT3 and EXT4 but
not others
2044 [18:52:22] <trysten> shtrb: since when/how?
2045 [18:52:28] <over7head> I delated xconfig file and created new
with root
2046 [18:52:32] <ctcx> trysten: they are zip/rar/cbs/cbr
2047 [18:52:43] <shtrb> since win10
2048 [18:52:51] <greycat> over7head: sounds like the whole display
is locked up. Try rebooting without running the display manager at
all. Append systemd.unit=multi-user.target on the GRUB line.
2049 [18:53:03] <shtrb> but you do need to perform extra actions
to enable it, in win7 you had to download an app
2050 [18:53:08] <shtrb> a driver
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2052 [18:53:17] <over7head> But i forget to test it with x -config
and it didnt create new
2053 [18:53:34] <ctcx> ksk: and that's why I also mentioned
"given I also checked the files for no risk"
2054 [18:53:38] <over7head> Can i stop loading lightdm during
bootup?
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2057 [18:54:29] <ksk> over7head: systemctl disable lightdm
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2059 [18:55:02] <greycat> My answer was for a one-time disabling.
ksk's answer is permanent.
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2065 [18:57:45] <ctcx> So then, no stuff from web browser filters
to Linux system, and no harm passed to Windows mounted partition?
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2067 [18:58:24] <over7head> That didnt help
2068 [18:58:42] <over7head> What should i do to use xorg.conf.new
by default?
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2070 [18:59:40] <greycat> Put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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2073 [19:01:17] <ctcx> ?
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2078 [19:05:57] <trysten> ctcx: your paranoia doesn't match
your knowledge, we can't substitute for that.
2079 [19:06:09] <over7head> greycat does /etc/X11/xorg.conf need
to be a file or directory containing a file
2080 [19:06:33] <trysten> ctcx: if you downloaded some files on a
debian live system, and you trust those files, go ahead and copy
them to your windows partition
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2082 [19:07:00] <greycat> File.
2083 [19:07:19] <over7head> Its not working as a file
2084 [19:07:50] <over7head> No mouse and keyboard
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2090 [19:10:19] <over7head> I try with xinit.... still not working
2091 [19:10:58] <trysten> To answer my question from earlier:
pretty much the only way to give users disk access is to add them to
the 'disk' group
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2096 [19:13:05] <over7head> Thats because xorg installs 10
graphical drivers and in the end it select wrong one
2097 [19:13:06] <jmcnaught> trysten: I didn't see your
original question but the disk group might be too much access,
according to /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html the
disk group is "Raw access to disks. Mostly equivalent to root
access."
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2103 [19:13:50] <over7head> What should i do now?
2104 [19:14:22] <JohnA> I have been given an old Asus server
(TS700) it uses a z9pa-db. ? is this worth doing anything with or
should I just take it to the electronics dump in my area?
2105 [19:14:24] <greycat> You could start by identifying what
graphics chipset you're using.
2106 [19:14:27] <greycat> lspci -nn
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2108 [19:15:06] <over7head> On anz other distro. Empty
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and running X -config xorg.conf.new as root...
do the job
2109 [19:16:22] <greycat> Then it's probably a
firmware/driver issue.
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2111 [19:17:00] <over7head> No not driver problem..
2112 [19:17:24] <over7head> Keyboard and mouse doesnt works now
2113 [19:17:50] <jhutchins_wk> over7head: Do they work in the
console?
2114 [19:17:59] <over7head> Yes
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2121 [19:20:16] <ctcx> In another thing, assuming the remote
server is indeed trusted, can it be common practice to passthrough X
over ssh?
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2124 [19:21:21] <over7head> Seems like x dont use my xorg.conf.new
2125 [19:22:07] <jhutchins_wk> ,v xnec2c
2126 [19:22:08] <judd> Package: xnec2c on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:1.4-1; jessie: 1:3.0-1; stretch: 1:3.5.1-1; buster: 1:4.1.1-1;
sid: 1:4.1.1-1
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2130 [19:23:18] <frzr> Hi there folks, i'm having some issues
with monitor settings, in a dual monitor setup. I encounter this
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2132 [19:23:21] <frzr> problem a few times a year and im sick and
tired of guessing what the active config is, i want to
2133 [19:23:24] <frzr> understand this once and for all. The
nvidia-settings app does not store the display coordinates, and i
2134 [19:23:27] <frzr> have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf atleast not in
the location. How do i find the active monitor configuration ?
2135 [19:23:30] <frzr> Oops, that was a badly formatted question
:)
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2138 [19:24:02] <greycat> frzr: by finding the Xorg.0.log file and
reading it
2139 [19:24:26] <greycat> It can be in ~/.local/share/xorg/ or in
/var/log/ depending on which version of Debian and how you start X
and which DE/WM
2140 [19:24:49] <frzr> Lol yeah, Using system config directory
"/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
2141 [19:25:04] <frzr> stupid of me not to think about that :)
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2143 [19:25:59] <tower> judd: xcuse me, i don't get what you
mean, is there a new releace " ; stretch: 1:3.5.1-1; buster:
1:4.1.1-1; sid: 1:4.1.1-1 " << or whatever else?
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2146 [19:27:04] <over7head> How i can use working xorg.conf.new
2147 [19:27:12] <over7head> Mouse and keyboard are there
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2149 [19:27:22] <over7head> But not if i startx
2150 [19:27:23] <towo`> rename it
2151 [19:27:23] <greycat> move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
2152 [19:27:33] <over7head> I was
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2154 [19:27:37] <over7head> And nothing
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2156 [19:28:00] <nik_> Thanks dude who answered, working fine now.
Will remember this and not have this problem again :)
2157 [19:28:05] <nik_> .//frzr
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2163 [19:31:08] <over7head> Not working
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2165 [19:31:15] <over7head> So
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2167 [19:32:05] <over7head> I cant set my driver in debian... it
must be default.. if i try to change xorg.conf it will not work
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2170 [19:33:25] <greycat> Again, start by identifying which
graphics chipset you are using. lspci -nn.
2171 [19:33:34] <greycat> Then figure out what is required to make
THAT CHIPSET work in Debian.
2172 [19:33:40] <over7head> I know my graphic chipset
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2174 [19:33:54] <over7head> And i have everything needed
2175 [19:34:03] <greycat> It could be as simple as installing a
non-free firmware package, or as complex as trying to get bumblee
working, or as infurating as "Debian 9 does not support this
because it's too new".
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2178 [19:34:34] <greycat> You have given us NO details to work
with. We don't know what you're using, what you're
doing, or what the log file says.
2179 [19:34:35] <over7head> It si keyboard and mouse problem nit
graphic
2180 [19:35:31] <towo`> since when is a xorg.conf needed for input
devices
2181 [19:35:53] <over7head> And input are set there
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2183 [19:36:16] <towo`> there is no xorg.conf needed at all
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2186 [19:36:24] <towo`> especialy not for input devices
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2212 [19:50:56] <over7head> Ho i can see log from startx
2213 [19:50:59] <over7head> ?
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2215 [19:51:30] <over7head> Once i start it, i can only turn off
pc because keyboard foesnt work anymore
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2218 [19:52:39] <greycat> Look for Xorg.0.log in
~/.local/share/xorg/ or in /var/log/ depending on Debian version,
how you start X, and DE/WM
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2223 [19:56:03] <over7head> Hotplugin is on. Devices using drivers
mouse and keyboard will be disabled
2224 [19:56:28] <over7head> ...disabling mouse0
2225 [19:56:39] <over7head> ...disabling keyboard0
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2233 [19:58:52] <over7head> Thats all about mouse and keyboard in
log
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2242 [20:05:39] <over7head> Adding i also try to rename xkb and
mouse drivers to evdev
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2244 [20:05:46] <over7head> But not works
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2255 [20:17:10] <ctcx> Any known good x server for windows in
order to use ssh with x passthrough from windows?
2256 [20:18:01] <bolt> ctcx: xming?
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2287 [20:27:15] <jhutchins_wk> Cygwin
2288 [20:27:55] <jhutchins_wk> towo`: He's trying to get the
keyboard and mouse working. He originally did not have a config
file.
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2291 [20:28:43] <greycat> I lost track long ago. Somehow he
generated this config file and that made things *worse*. He has
given 0 details.
2292 [20:29:00] <greycat> He claims he knows what chipset
he's using but he won't tell *us*.
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2322 [20:53:52] <BlastuR> what's the difference between
installing a package like libc6-i386 and something like libc6:i386
(after add dpkg --add-architecture)
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2324 [20:56:44] <dropkick500> There is one?
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2332 [21:01:04] <BlastuR> dropkick500: well, it was just an
example but yes.. at least on my system =) my question is more like,
why are there sometimes a separate architecture feed and still the
main amd64 feed contains packages for other archs
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2337 [21:05:42] <dropkick500> I'm guessing because comps with
amd64 can support other lesser architectures as well? Not quite
sure, just a guess
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2340 [21:06:56] <OerHeks> libc6-i386 C Library: 32-bit shared
libraries for AMD64
2341 [21:07:09] <dropkick500> Huh
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2345 [21:07:56] <OerHeks> and libc6:i386 is the i386 32 bit
version
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2348 [21:09:42] <dropkick500> Guess that solves it
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2357 [21:15:03] <BlastuR> OerHeks: thanks
2358 [21:17:07] <Gigglebyte> Can anyone offer some advice on how
to boot from a Debian Install disk on a Dell Inspiron? I can't
seem to get it to work in UEFI mode.
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2360 [21:17:58] <dropkick500> the UEFI isn't seeing the disk?
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2364 [21:20:11] <dropkick500> Gigglebyte: So the UEFI isn't
seeing the disk?
2365 [21:20:29] <Gigglebyte> dropkick500> Apparently not.
However there are countless other reports on the net about this.
Apparently there is some trick to booting up, and I don't know
what it is. I watched someone else do a work around and I don't
know what they did.
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2369 [21:22:17] <Gigglebyte> dropkick500> disk is scene after I
boot into Ubuntu, but I would prefer to install Debian on here.
2370 [21:22:49] <Gigglebyte> bios seems a bit funky on the
Inspiron.
2371 [21:23:06] <dropkick500> On the Debian wiki it shows some
instructions for install on a few inspirons, but most were written
for lenny, so they might be a bit out of date, but i would still
reccomend checking if they have your inspiron type
2372 [21:23:38] <dropkick500> Also, I heard the live CD is real
wonky for Debian right now? Are you running livecd, netinst or full?
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2375 [21:25:22] <greycat> s/ right now//
2376 [21:26:38] <Gigglebyte> dropkick500> Full install from a
USB stick.
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2378 [21:26:51] <Gigglebyte> greycat> You speaking to moi?
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2381 [21:30:15] <Gigglebyte> This has me stumped.
2382 [21:30:32] <dropkick500> Gigglebyte: Also maybe check for a
"boot option" option in the Boot Sequence menu or
something like that
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2384 [21:31:36] <Gigglebyte> dropkick500> Boot options is
completely blank. Was greycat's comment intended for me?
2385 [21:32:01] <greycat> If you don't understand sed, then
just forget it.
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2387 [21:33:06] <dropkick500> Gigglebyte: Not quite sure. Actually
don't understand what he's trying to say lol
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2389 [21:33:20] <greycat> Jesus.
2390 [21:33:32] <greycat> You wrote "the live CD is real
wonky for Debian right now"
2391 [21:33:36] <greycat> I wrote "s/ right now//"
2392 [21:33:49] <greycat> If you STILL don't get it, just
stop talking about it.
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2394 [21:34:42] <booyah> is this #ubuntu or wat
2395 [21:35:12] <Gigglebyte> The problem is that there is no menu
showing the boot order.
2396 [21:35:42] <dropkick500> booyah: No, ubuntu is merely based
off of debian
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2399 [21:36:52] <Gigglebyte> dropkick500> They are quite a bit
different, and Debian is updated a little more frequently.
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2401 [21:37:14] <greycat> Wooosh. Woooosh.
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2403 [21:37:43] <dropkick500> greycat: Sorry, i'm not
familiar with sed, lol. I sort of get what you're going for but
don't worry about it
2404 [21:37:53] <shibboleth> and ubuntu bionic (desktop) has
ditched the debian installer
2405 [21:38:06] <greycat> booyah: It seems so. :(
2406 [21:38:10] <shibboleth> with something waaay worse IMO
(+netplan)
2407 [21:38:36] <Gigglebyte> The Dell bios could be better.
2408 [21:38:56] <Sleaker> wait bionic ditched d-i?
2409 [21:39:07] <Sleaker> glad i pushed to move off ubuntu and go
back to roots.
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2411 [21:39:34] <dropkick500> Bionic was sort of the reason i
left, little did i know i would be followed by GNOME here too
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2414 [21:40:20] <shibboleth> bionic in itself is in no way bad imo
2415 [21:40:30] <shibboleth> get the server iso, purge netplan
2416 [21:40:33] <shibboleth> and shazam
2417 [21:40:41] <shibboleth> but neither bode well going forward
2418 [21:40:51] <shibboleth> waiting for buster and signed grub i
guess
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2420 [21:41:46] <Sleaker> shibboleth: already had to build off the
server iso in the past, each incremental change just makes upgrading
harder and harder though, and less useful.
2421 [21:42:08] <shibboleth> iirc xenial upgrades don't force
netplan on you
2422 [21:42:26] <dropkick500> Yeah they left unity and that's
when i went to Debian, not knowing that the WM on debian was the
now-default for Ubuntu
2423 [21:42:32] <dropkick500> So i just installed i3 lol
2424 [21:42:44] <Sleaker> heh
2425 [21:43:03] <Sleaker> last ubuntu I've used extensively
was trusty
2426 [21:43:09] <shibboleth> and it would appear that the ub
security team have beenput on amphetamines as of jan1 2019
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2428 [21:43:22] <Sleaker> xenial had too much wierdness with not
bing fully systemd
2429 [21:43:22] <shibboleth> hey used to be a week behind deb, now
they're more often ahead
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2435 [21:44:55] <dropkick500> Last i used was actually artful
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2437 [21:46:06] <Gigglebyte> dropkick500> Don't see it
which is why I posted here.
2438 [21:47:28] <rhizome_> in gnu screen, is there a way to have
an e.g. 2-window split screen that I can flip back and forth to a
full-window terminal on a third? that is, ^a-space on the top window
of the split skips the window below it and flips to the full and
vice-versa.
2439 [21:47:54] <dropkick500> Gigglebyte: What model of inspiron
are you using?
2440 [21:50:35] <Gigglebyte> dropkick500> P28F
2441 [21:50:52] <Gigglebyte> I don't like the bios at all. It
is junky.
2442 [21:51:19] <Gigglebyte> I need to take a break for a snack.
Back in awhile.
2443 [21:52:11] <dropkick500> Gigglebyte: Maybe try setting the
bios to legacy and seeing if you can mess with the boot order?
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2445 [21:52:46] <Gigglebyte> dropkick500> I already tried that
and the boot order doesn't show up after setting the bios to
legacy.
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2447 [21:53:17] <dropkick500> Did you turn off secure boot?
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2449 [21:54:11] <dropkick500> Rip
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2452 [21:59:56] <Sleaker> lol
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2454 [22:01:31] <dropkick500> What WM's does everybody here
run?
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2456 [22:01:42] <greycat> !polls
2457 [22:01:42] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is
taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can
answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers
will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
2458 [22:01:59] <dropkick500> Oh ok
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2460 [22:02:44] <greycat> You can do "/msg judd popcon
pkgname" to get popularity contest results.
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2463 [22:04:10] <dropkick500> really it was just because nothing
was going on and i thought it would be interesting to see what
people currently in the channel preferred. I'll keep that in
mind
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2476 [22:12:25] <trysten> An almost relevant thing: I'm
trying to switch from gnome3 to awesome right now (dropkick500 has
left)
2477 [22:12:40] <trysten> I told gdm to start awesome but it
didn't
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2538 [22:58:02] <dansan> aloo_shu: Well a very belated "thank
you" for your response :)
2539 [22:58:15] <dansan> I do keep logs at least :)
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2574 [23:20:51] <somiaj> trysten: how did you tell gdm to start
awesome?
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2602 [23:38:51] <over7head> how i can install celestia?
2603 [23:39:00] <over7head> i can only find package for jessie
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2605 [23:39:23] <over7head> do i have to add jessie repo or is
there any other way?
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2608 [23:42:59] <j0seph> over7head, a quick search shows that
unfortunately it doesn't seem to be elsewhere. i'll keep
searching for you. are you running stretch or buster? in any case,
adding a repo from a newer or older debian release to your current
(presumably different) release is very bad practice: it creates a
frankendebian and is likely to break your system
2609 [23:43:55] <somiaj> you may want to build it from source if
it isn't in stretch, or at least check out why it was removed
(it could be there are grave bugs)
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2613 [23:45:48] <j0seph>
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2614 [23:45:57] <over7head> yes im on scretch... thats what i was
afraid... to not create frankendebian
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2616 [23:47:09] <over7head> probably it would be best to try build
package somehow
2617 [23:47:20] <j0seph> over7head, bummer. if you are feeling
confident, you can compile it yourself. looks like the official site
gives you some .package file, might be worth looking into.
2618 [23:48:08] <somiaj> over7head:
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2619 [23:48:09] <judd> Bug
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2620 [23:48:29] <somiaj> I would find alternative software, but
that package appernetally has dsfg issues along with various bugs
and a dead upstrea.
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2622 [23:49:38] <j0seph> ah yes, a dead upstream is usually a
reasonable enough incentive to find an alternative.
2623 [23:50:07] <somiaj> debian keeps stuff around that is dead
upstream if it still runs
2624 [23:50:13] <j0seph> (as well as the fact that it was
accumulating
2625 [23:50:19] <j0seph> oops, hit enter early.
2626 [23:50:26] <somiaj> in this case, dsfg issues with bugs is
the nail in the coffin so to speak.
2627 [23:50:43] <somiaj> afg dfsg
2628 [23:51:16] <over7head> but seems no similar alternative to
celestia
2629 [23:51:33] <somiaj> what does celestia do?
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2632 [23:52:05] <somiaj> anyways, dead outdated software, you
kinda become responsible for it. I would build it from source and
make your own package you can manage for stretch if you really want
it.
2633 [23:52:06] <over7head> its 3d universe look
2634 [23:52:32] <somiaj> ,v stellarium
2635 [23:52:32] <j0seph> it appears to be some sort of 3D space
planet exploration software, where you fly through the solar system
and look at the planets
2636 [23:52:33] <judd> Package: stellarium on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.11.3-1+deb7u1+b1; jessie: 0.13.1-1; stretch: 0.15.0-1+b1;
stretch-backports: 0.18.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.18.3-1; sid: 0.18.3-1
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2638 [23:53:43] <somiaj> Anyways, I would look at some of the
alternatives, you may find you get what you want from them, or build
from source.
2639 [23:53:45] <over7head> stellarium isnt like celestia.... its
view from earth to sky unlike celestia which is in space
2640 [23:53:54] <somiaj> (instlaling jessie packages in stretch
sometimes works)
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2642 [23:54:55] <over7head> somiaj i will try this first.. if no
then i will do some search and try to build it
2643 [23:55:00] <over7head> thanks for suggestion
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2645 [23:56:58] <over7head> i was looking for some astro distros,
there are couple of them pretty outdated and all based on debian
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2647 [23:57:13] <over7head> so i debootstrap it to make my astro
distro haha
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2649 [23:59:09] <over7head> some low latency preemption kernel and
awesome wm... just need to get astro apps collection now
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