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• 12[00:08:44] <HelloShitty> Hi peeps. I know this is not the proper channel for this question but I'm not sure where else to ask for help. I have a PGP Pub key in an online site. I downloaded my key and it came as an .asc file. I tried to copy it's contents into another site to add that pub key to that site, but the site complains that the pub key needs to be exported as armored ascii format. How can I do this from an .asc file?
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• 49[00:36:00] <clemens3> HelloShitty: there is an --armor flag in gpg command line, combine that with exporting the key..
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• 51[00:36:35] <HelloShitty> clemens3: I know about that. But I was trying to convert the .asc file to armor ascii
• 52[00:36:43] <HelloShitty> but in fact, that was not needed
• 53[00:37:08] <HelloShitty> by some reason, the site was not accepting the file as is... But the .asc file is already in armor ascii format
• 54[00:37:12] <HelloShitty> anyways, I got it
• 55[00:37:14] <HelloShitty> thanks
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• 58[00:39:26] <yibotg> I found the buster remove the icu-config in icu-devtools,How can I use it by modify the confiure? thank you
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• 64[00:40:59] <joepublic> I salute your dedication to learning English, by the way.
• 65[00:41:28] <yibotg> ok ok sorry :-)
• 66[00:41:56] <joepublic> no, i am not joking but serious. innovative syntax but totally understandable.
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• 75[00:48:28] <yibotg> joepublic::-) maybe as I listen to a foreigner speaking Chiness~sorry for my poor english
• 76[00:48:56] <joepublic> your english is terrific.
• 77[00:49:06] <joepublic> wish i knew the answer to your question :)
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• 91[00:59:21] <terr_> jelly, I am a complete idjot. Of COURSE this external HDD has a partition table on it. I put it there when I partitioned the drive! Its the boot sequence I need to look at! ...AND... I found fdisk file.mbr works. to get file.mbr: dd if=/dev/sde of=file.mbr bs=12 count=1 So now I see I can just copy an MBR and fdisk will read it.
• 92[00:59:57] <terr_> bs=512 sticky key
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• 115[01:20:36] <fuxxy> How to reset networking in the debian install environment?
• 116[01:20:44] <fuxxy> just release/renew
• 117[01:21:51] <yibotg> :fuxxy vim /etc/network/interfaces ?
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• 123[01:24:16] <fuxxy> yibotg, I just went back to the networking step. I was attempting to use cli to reset/renew DHCP
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• 125[01:25:43] <yibotg> fuxxy:how about systemctl restart networking.service ?
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• 136[01:38:44] <terr_> well! I found out that an "extended partition table" is NOT in the MBR. I guess that makes sense. I wonder where it is? not that I really need it right now.
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• 141[01:40:39] <dvs> !mbr
• 142[01:40:39] <dpkg> The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>. See replaced-url
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• 269[03:06:12] <kreyren> What is the debian way to fix this dependency issue? replaced-url
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• 273[03:07:33] <kreyren> installing nvidia-driver-libs:i386 fixed it
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• 286[03:14:48] <GenTooMan> so which has more support these days radeon or nvidia? at one time nvidia but it seemed to vary by card how well nvidia worked.
• 287[03:15:05] <GenTooMan> AMD not radeon (bleah) sorry brain fail.
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• 293[03:21:17] <dvs> GenTooMan, AMD is easier to get working because there's no compiling involved.
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• 306[03:27:21] <GenTooMan> dvs Ok, the AMD drivers just work, because everytime I've tried to install Nvidia drivers my system broke. Fortunately the last test wasn't as bad as others (I had to fix the computer by wiping everything out <from gentoo>) at least Debian is easy to repair.
• 307[03:28:16] <GenTooMan> actually the AMD drivers just work? is more appropriate. I'm getting tired I suspect.
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• 331[03:49:59] <terr_> I think I finally found what I'm looking for. And get this - in a wikipedia article. NOT IN OUR DOCS The MBR contains the partition table and each partition contains a Volume Boot Sector. Its the first sector of the partition. SO!!! that means Grub takes the address of the partition and loads sector zero and does a long jump and the system boots from there. All addressing inside a sector is relative!. Simple - I thought it must be done this way
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• 335[03:51:29] <terr_> There appear to be 2048 sectors free before Partition 1 on all the drives I checked.
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• 337[03:55:53] <GenTooMan> 1MiB then?
• 338[03:56:15] <GenTooMan> What about 2+T drives then they have larger sectors.
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• 362[04:16:18] <yibotg> the debian buster removed the icu-config from icu-devtools,and what's the alternative choice?
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• 375[04:30:00] <nmschulte> Bullseye, but maybe Buster also: when booting and cryptsetup prompts for LUKS passwords... I noticed that I can use the arrow keys to change how the prompt/display looks: I believe I switched it from a console style display to something graphical, that looked really nice. Is this Plymouth? Why doesn't this show by default, and why do the arrow keys change it?
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• 458[05:59:44] <kilgoretrout> for the record -- /etc/ferm.conf
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• 513[06:51:08] <yibotg> 'icu-config' has been deprecated by its upstream developers for some years now
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• 525[07:05:02] <pragomer> sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.0.X/mywinshare /media/mymountpoint
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• 537[07:07:02] <jm_> pragomer: yes, use the guest option, see man mount.cifs
• 538[07:07:32] <han-solo> `-o username=<username>,password=<password>`
• 539[07:07:39] <han-solo> oh, guest option
• 540[07:07:47] <pragomer> so just: -o guest ?
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• 542[07:08:49] <han-solo> No manual entry for mount.cifs. hrm
• 543[07:09:14] <jm_> apt-file helps, or replaced-url
• 544[07:09:46] <pragomer> ok. now I see. its -o guest.... this seems to work.. but I now get a mount error (13) permission denied ..mm..... but the guest seems to work. thank you very much folks :-)
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• 548[07:16:32] <jm_> it should try to negotiate the SMB version, but you can manually pass it with vers option
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• 550[07:17:46] <pragomer> Ok, I just tried the testing.. even a 2nd win10 machine could not access LOL... so the error is still in the win10 sharing setting :-)....
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• 614[08:30:24] <khreshgsye> how do i change brightness in lxde?
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• 623[08:39:42] <CrazyTux> hello, I installed Joplin app using this suggested method.
• 624[08:39:46] <CrazyTux> wget -O - replaced-url
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• 626[08:39:55] <CrazyTux> now, I want to remove it completely.
• 627[08:40:05] <CrazyTux> how can I do that?
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• 629[08:41:04] <mrjones> and now?
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• 631[08:42:27] <themill> CrazyTux: good luck with that...
• 632[08:42:32] <CrazyTux> I want to remove the Joplin app.
• 633[08:42:47] <CrazyTux> how to remove that completely?
• 634[08:43:05] <jm_> your only option is to read the script and perform reverse operations
• 635[08:43:06] <themill> You'd have to figure out what that script did or ask the developer
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• 638[08:43:53] <themill> curl | sudo bash is such a delightful antipattern.
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• 643[08:45:09] <CrazyTux> I created timeshift snapshot before installing this app.
• 644[08:45:25] <CrazyTux> can I use that?
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• 677[09:04:29] <rgr> so Debian stable uses cpupower or cpufrequtils? I have a strange situation here where I must manually, or through a service I install, set the governor using cpupower -g since the kernel startup itself is not doing so. Google is awash with conflicting info on how the system should be configured to set the governor.
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• 684[09:08:17] <jm_> rgr: neither is installed by default, some tools recommend linux-cpupower, and some suggest the other one
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• 687[09:08:56] <CrazyTux> how can I remove that app completely?
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• 694[09:12:24] <GNU\colossus> rgr, I think that at least on recent Intel machines, cpupower is the correct tool to use.
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• 700[09:14:20] <ArrowPuck> I’ve installed vsftpd and am attempting to enable TLS/SSL. I’m following a tutorial (link below). It doesn’t mention SFTP, but it does explain how to block FTP and set up TLS/SSL. Currently, when attempting to log in with Fetch, FTP is blocked, SFTP is able to log in, and TLS/SSL results in an error. I’ve triple checked for typos in my vsftpd.conf file against that in the tutorial. The error occurs in Step 7, so I think the
• 701[09:14:21] <ArrowPuck> must be wrong with something in Step 6. Is anyone familiar enough with this stuff to clue me in as to what may be wrong?
• 702[09:14:24] <ArrowPuck> replaced-url
• 703[09:14:35] <rgr> Yeah and with my manually inserted call to it , it works but none of the configure options work, I must call cpupower -g myself or via my service .
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• 709[09:17:38] <CrazyTux> how to remove an appimage that is installed on a linux distro?
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• 711[09:18:11] <CrazyTux> I installed Joplin. It's an appimage. I used this suggested method to install it.
• 712[09:18:19] <CrazyTux> wget -O - replaced-url
• 713[09:18:42] <CrazyTux> how can I remove it completely?
• 714[09:18:43] <jm_> CrazyTux: we don't support that here, we can only help you with debian packages
• 715[09:19:00] <CrazyTux> jm_, it is installed on Debian.
• 716[09:19:12] <jelly> CrazyTux: download the script from the URL, read it and investigate what it did, and undo each step
• 717[09:19:50] <jm_> CrazyTux: but it's not a debian package
• 718[09:19:57] <CrazyTux> jelly, which script? from where can I download it?
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• 720[09:20:13] <jelly> CrazyTux: this script: replaced-url
• 721[09:20:58] <CrazyTux> jelly, I'm a casual end user.
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• 723[09:21:09] <CrazyTux> could you please help with it?
• 724[09:21:11] <jelly> CrazyTux: your command downloads a whole script and passes the contents to shell for execution. There could be anything inside it.
• 725[09:22:44] <CrazyTux> if I revert back to the timeshift snapshot that I created before installing this app, will it be completely removed?
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• 727[09:23:52] <jelly> if "timeshift" does a snapshot of the whole system and can restore the state as-is, yes
• 728[09:24:11] <jelly> but I have no idea what timeshift is
• 729[09:24:22] <jelly> or how it works
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• 732[09:24:54] <CrazyTux> ok
• 733[09:25:13] <CrazyTux> what if I remove that directory that contains that appimage?
• 734[09:25:46] <jelly> best ask the person that created this "appimage" and the installation script.
• 735[09:28:03] <jelly> or try to do a web search for a general way on removing appimages. At the risk of stating something obvious: replaced-url
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• 737[09:28:46] <rgr> CrazyTux, no removing the directory guarentees nothing. random scripts can write anywhere their access permissions allow. Hopefully you didnt run it with "sudo" ;)
• 738[09:29:14] <CrazyTux> rgr, yes. It was not installed using sudo.
• 739[09:29:22] <rgr> but you probably did and its probably ok. maybe some cruft in /etc but probably nothing that matters.
• 740[09:29:25] <rgr> ok
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• 742[09:29:44] <CrazyTux> rgr, what shall I do now?
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• 744[09:30:32] <matbcvo> replaced-url
• 745[09:30:38] <rgr> check the script to see if it has an uninstall option. Many do. But to be "safe" use your timeshift or whatever. and learn a lesson. Dont run non debian packages from non trusted sources until you know what you're doing. With power comes responsibility ;)
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• 747[09:31:13] <CrazyTux> rgr, ok
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• 753[09:34:09] <ArrowPuck> Is anyone familiar with vsftpd?
• 754[09:34:40] <at0m> dpkg: tell ArrowPuck about anyone
• 755[09:38:04] <ArrowPuck> Ok… I get an error when trying to log into my debian machine with TLS. I set up FTP with vsftpd. Advice?
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• 758[09:41:04] <jm_> and your ftp client doesn't give you some meaningful error?
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• 764[09:43:20] <ArrowPuck> I believe its a notoriously generic error… i’ll pull it up really quick… just a moment
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• 768[09:44:59] <ArrowPuck> “An FTP with TLS/SSL connection to “192.168.0.13” could not be opened because an error has occured” followed by “SSL error -9836.”
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• 772[09:46:34] <jm_> perhaps try some other client locally on the server, i.e. lftp
• 773[09:46:35] <jelly> ArrowPuck: does vsftpd server store its own logs somewhere, what do they say?
• 774[09:47:23] <jm_> vsftpd also has debug_ssl option which might show more info
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• 780[09:49:48] <ArrowPuck> i’ll check that out… looking at the log now…
• 781[09:49:51] <matbcvo> replaced-url
• 782[09:50:39] <ArrowPuck> i think the log is showing successful connection attempts that I’ve made over SFTP, but shows no record of failed attempts with TLS
• 783[09:51:07] <ArrowPuck> i’ll take a look at htat debug_ssl option. Thanks for the heads up!
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• 787[09:53:38] <korhojoa> matbcvo: i'd probably start with putting grub on the drives themselves, not in the raid, then check what happens
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• 790[09:56:03] <jelly> matbcvo: and since the system booted up to an initrd, it's not (just) the grub installation that has an issue. could be grub config, boot options, or something in initramfs itself. Did this system ever boot from md raid correctly before?
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• 792[09:56:56] <matbcvo> Server was running before, I dont know what happened that it crashed and can't boot up
• 793[09:57:49] <korhojoa> so it has worked? did you find anything in the logs from before the crash?
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• 795[09:58:38] <jelly> matbcvo: do you have console access at boot time, and can you pick the older kernel in the boot menu?
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• 800[10:00:34] <matbcvo> Server is in France datacenter (OVH.co.uk), I have currently SSH access to rescue mode
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• 807[10:04:48] <ArrowPuck> ok, so I set debug_ssl=YES in the vsftpd.conf file, attempted to log in over TLS, and checked the log… “SSL_accept failed: error:14209102:SSL routines:tls_early_post_process_client_hello:unsupported protocol”
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• 820[10:11:36] <ArrowPuck> I just installed this operating system last week, so maybe its this FTP client… these tutorials are always showing FileZilla, so maybe thats what i need
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• 823[10:11:55] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: do you control both the server and the client?
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• 826[10:12:03] <ArrowPuck> yeah
• 827[10:12:09] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: you might want to consider using something that's not FTP
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• 829[10:12:42] <ArrowPuck> like what?
• 830[10:12:49] <BCMM> for example, filezilla has native sftp support (the file transfer part of ssh)
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• 834[10:13:17] <matbcvo> jelly: I don't have access to console at boot time, can't I just change it in grub file or something? I can mount /dev/md2 to /mnt and access system files there in rescue mode
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• 836[10:14:24] <ArrowPuck> sftp works… I just don’t understand why TLS doesn’t work, and I don’t want to start leaving broken stuff on the server
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• 838[10:16:04] <ArrowPuck> part of my problem is that i’m pretty new at this. this is my first time setting up a linux operating system
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• 840[10:16:19] <matbcvo> I selected OVH kernel 4.19 (netboot) from OVH server control panel and it doesn't still boot up
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• 842[10:16:53] <ArrowPuck> i’m just starting to get the feel for things
• 843[10:17:02] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: sftp is not the same thing as ftps
• 844[10:17:35] <BCMM> ftp over ssl is called ftps. sftp is a different, more modern protocol which is part of ssh
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• 846[10:18:11] <BCMM> ftp is kind of a nightmare, and it gets even more confusing when you secure it. it probably shouldn't exist any more.
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• 848[10:18:35] <ArrowPuck> yeah… i’m only talking about sftp because you mentioned it… i was trying to get tls/ssl to work
• 849[10:18:55] <BCMM> if your goal is to view+modify files and directories on your linux machine remotely, i would suggest using sftp instead of ftp
• 850[10:19:20] <ArrowPuck> ok… yeah, sftp does work, so that sounds like the answer
• 851[10:20:05] <ArrowPuck> is there an advantage to TLS?
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• 853[10:20:51] <BCMM> over what?
• 854[10:21:09] <ArrowPuck> sftp
• 855[10:21:15] <matbcvo> Ok, server finally booted up with OVH kernel 4.19
• 856[10:21:25] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: sftp *is* tls
• 857[10:21:56] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: sorry, to clarify, tls is just the latest version of ssl
• 858[10:22:09] <BCMM> for most practical purposes you can treat tls and ssl as synonymous
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• 861[10:22:29] <BCMM> to be modern, i *should* have said that sftp is ftp over tls
• 862[10:22:40] <themill> no, thankfully it is not
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• 866[10:23:50] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: ah sorry, i got muddled in acronyms
• 867[10:23:51] <ArrowPuck> hmm… in my FTP client, I have the option to connect using FTP over TLS, or to connect using SFTP… the former does not work, but the latter does
• 868[10:24:12] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: ftps: ftp over ssl/tls. sftp: a separate protocol that's nothing to do with any of those.
• 869[10:24:36] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: there is no particular advantage to ftp/ftps over sftp, no
• 870[10:25:48] <ArrowPuck> ok, cool… i think for my purposes, even FTP would be fine… just wanted to turn this into a learning experience. Thank you!
• 871[10:25:58] <ArrowPuck> I’ll be using SFTP
• 872[10:26:06] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: you can uninstall vsftp, by the way
• 873[10:26:21] <ArrowPuck> well, don’t i need it?
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• 875[10:26:25] <BCMM> it is almost certainly your openssh daemon that's providing the sftp access
• 876[10:26:34] <BCMM> (you have ssh access to the machine in question, right?)
• 877[10:26:39] <ArrowPuck> yeah
• 878[10:26:48] <BCMM> yeah, as i said, sftp is part of ssh
• 879[10:27:15] <BCMM> vsftp provides FTP (insecure) and FTPS (FTP secured by TLS)
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• 882[10:27:40] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: by the way, is this machine exposed to the internet at all?
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• 885[10:28:15] <ArrowPuck> oh yeah… hmm… ok, whats weird is that i turned off the permissions for ssh
• 886[10:28:25] <ArrowPuck> yeah
• 887[10:28:28] <BCMM> i'm asking because, if your ftp or ssh server is visible from the internet, a botnet will (not "might") try brute-force your password
• 888[10:28:43] <BCMM> ^try to
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• 891[10:29:10] <BCMM> learning is best done on a private LAN; if it's accessible over the internet, you need to make sure you do things right
• 892[10:29:12] <tsarompy> oh yes they definitely will
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• 896[10:29:54] <ArrowPuck> I tested these passwords online somewhere and they should take decades, if not centuries to brute force
• 897[10:29:55] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: best practice is to eschew password authentication entirely and use ssh key pairs, failing that, you need to make sure your password is sufficiently complex
• 898[10:30:11] <BCMM> (and most people have no idea how complex a password needs to be)
• 899[10:30:25] <ArrowPuck> ok, yeah i heard about that ssh key pairs thing… that was definitely recommended
• 900[10:31:13] <BCMM> it's pretty cool. instead of a password, there's a file you need to have on your computer to authenticate
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• 902[10:31:13] <bolt> Correct Horse Battery Staple
• 903[10:31:46] <bolt> hunter2
• 904[10:32:23] <ArrowPuck> i think i’ll uninstall vsftpd and start looking into this ssh key pair business… if i want to use multiple computers with the same user, do i just duplicate the file on the computer?
• 905[10:32:46] <bolt> ArrowPuck: or add multiple keys to the server
• 906[10:32:56] <ArrowPuck> sounds like a better idea
• 907[10:33:06] <bolt> ArrowPuck: your key passphrase can also be brute forced. don't put your key on machines you don't trust
• 908[10:33:14] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: you can have the same private key on each client, or you can make a key for each client (the user on the server can have multiple keys)
• 909[10:33:30] <bolt> ArrowPuck: just as you don't use an ssh client with a password on a key you don't trust... the ssh client just might save your password somewhere
• 910[10:33:38] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: a key for each client means, for example, that you can revoke your phone's access if it gets stolen, without having to reconfigure your laptop
• 911[10:33:45] <bolt> on a key/on a machine
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• 914[10:34:03] <BCMM> to be honest, i don't use passphrases on my private keys
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• 916[10:34:37] <bolt> you probably should.
• 917[10:34:44] <colo-work> I use libpam-ssh and have my login and private key passphrases synced
• 918[10:34:46] <BCMM> i just don't keep them on machines other people can access. if the key files are compromised, brute force is much, much easier than it would be for a remote password
• 919[10:36:08] <BCMM> brute force on a local file parallelises, there's no network delays, no chance for something like fail2ban to get in the way, etc. the end result is that you need a much more unwieldy password than with plain old password auth
• 920[10:36:47] <ArrowPuck> so you don’t even bother?
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• 922[10:37:30] <ArrowPuck> but i mean, most people that find your phone or computer probably won’t know how to brute force the password anyway
• 923[10:37:37] <BCMM> if somebody gains physical access to the client in question (my desktop) they've got the server too anyway
• 924[10:38:28] <ArrowPuck> well, you probably walk in more tech oriented circles than i do… so maybe they would...
• 925[10:38:41] <BCMM> it's definitely worth carefully thinking about which devices are more/less secure than which other devices
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• 927[10:39:24] <BCMM> it's also the case that, if there was a compromise of the client by malicious software, that software could just hide itself and wait for you to decrypt the key
• 928[10:40:01] <BCMM> the attacks that having a passphrase on the key help to prevent are relatively limited, but it's certainly worth considering whether they apply
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• 930[10:40:21] <ArrowPuck> well, i think even a basic password is more secure than no password… its like locking your car… its no deterant to someone that knows what they’re doing, but it stops average people from muckin about
• 931[10:40:36] <BCMM> another example is a key on an android phone where the storage is encrypted anyway
• 932[10:41:17] <BCMM> again, in that situation, i don't see how a passphrase really adds anything other than inconvenience
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• 936[10:42:18] <BCMM> obviously have a passphrase if the key is ever on a shared machine, etc.
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• 938[10:43:38] <ArrowPuck> fortunately i don’t have to worry about that… ok, so the thing for me to look into is the ssh key pair… is there any software you might recommend for that?
• 939[10:44:42] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: you've already got the software
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• 941[10:45:19] <ArrowPuck> ok, so then its just a matter of doing it. awesome! thank you for your advice!
• 942[10:45:21] <BCMM> i think you might need something to convert the key to a format filezilla likes, if you want to use it with filezilla
• 943[10:45:49] <BCMM> replaced-url
• 944[10:45:53] <ArrowPuck> so i would need a different one for each ftp client i use?
• 945[10:45:59] <BCMM> ArrowPuck: up to you
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• 947[10:46:25] <BCMM> you can have as many keys on an account as you want (just put them all in the authorized_keys file, one per line)
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• 949[10:46:45] <BCMM> you could do just one key, and copy the private key to every device you want to give access to
• 950[10:47:07] <BCMM> you could also do one key pair per device, so you can individually revoke them later
• 951[10:47:20] <ArrowPuck> well, i like the idea of different keys for each machine
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• 953[10:47:30] <ArrowPuck> yeah
• 954[10:47:30] <BCMM> that's what i do
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• 959[10:48:17] <ArrowPuck> ok, well i’ve got my to-do list for tomorrow… 2am, i need to get some sleep
• 960[10:48:49] <ArrowPuck> thanks again, its been educational
• 961[10:49:07] <BCMM> <ArrowPuck> so i would need a different one for each ftp client i use? <-- Sftp client, not ftp
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• 963[10:49:22] <BCMM> this is not an extension of ftp, and ftp software in general will not work with it
• 964[10:49:35] <BCMM> filezilla does it sftp, but not all ftp clients will
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• 967[10:49:48] <ArrowPuck> oh yeah, sorry, i’m talking about the software… fetch, cyberduck, filezilla… what do you call those?
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• 969[10:50:20] <BCMM> i think i just accidentally pressed a kb shortcut to clear the scrollback, can you repeat that?
• 970[10:50:48] <ArrowPuck> oh yeah, sorry, i’m talking about the software… fetch, cyberduck, filezilla… waht do you call those?
• 971[10:51:17] <BCMM> well, modern GUI ftp clients *tend* to support sftp (because ftp itself is getting pretty obsolete)
• 972[10:51:37] <BCMM> cyberduck apparently calls itself a "cloud storage browser"
• 973[10:51:46] <BCMM> and, well, screw that, "ftp client" is fine
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• 975[10:51:57] <ArrowPuck> ok… yeah, i was just referring to those, using ftp loosely i guess
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• 979[10:52:14] <BCMM> just wanted to make it clear that FTP does have one advantage, and that's compatibility with ancient software
• 980[10:52:31] <BCMM> especially Windows software; ssh caught on much earlier in the unix world
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• 983[10:53:06] <stmuk> grrr there is a debian package which contains a minimal gtk gui for qemu ... anyone remember which one?
• 984[10:53:33] <stmuk> oh it's ok I have it
• 985[10:53:44] <BCMM> stmuk: to qemu itself or to libvirt?
• 986[10:54:02] <bolt> virt-manager? maybe?
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• 988[10:54:06] <ArrowPuck> alright, bedtime… thanks again!
• 989[10:54:50] <stmuk> its qemu .. there is a qemu-system-gui package and then its qemu-system-x86_64
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• 1006[11:02:13] <Mrbuck> hi if I remove firefox chromium is autoinstalled and if I removed chromium then firefox esr auto installed...Hw can i remove both?
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• 1008[11:02:28] <Mrbuck> debian10
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• 1020[11:06:35] <Haohmaru> autoinstalled? i really doubt that
• 1021[11:06:49] <Haohmaru> how do you remove them?
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• 1077[11:42:54] <knives> Hi.. really frustrating. On each reboot I find nft rules that I didn't put there. There is "table ip filter {... policy accept ...}" and a similar ip6 filter. The ruleset contains my y nftables.conf rules as well which got "flush ruleset" as the 2nd line. No journal logs about any syntax errors or anything. "systemctl restart nft" solves the problem but those unwanted tables appear on every reboot. I do not have the same problem in arch,
• 1078[11:42:54] <knives> but do in debian. Got any ideas what might be causing this?
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• 1081[11:45:16] <petn-randall> knives: By default nothing creates nftables rules. So it's likely some firewall you installed. Maybe "ufw"?
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• 1106[11:52:21] <jelly> does ufw have a nftables engine now?
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• 1109[11:53:24] <knives> /etc/iptables/rules.v[4-6] seems to be the guilty one. Is part of iptables-persistent. I don't remember installing this, maybe I did while I was learning about persistent rules. Dees it come with debian by default?
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• 1111[11:55:48] <knives> btw.. does apt clog up some kind of cache/log/anything over time like some other managers do until there are gigabytes of waste?
• 1112[11:55:49] <elios> when will i3 v4.18 be in debian stable?
• 1113[11:56:44] <petn-randall> jelly: IIRC yes, though probably not in stable.
• 1114[11:57:09] <knives> elios: xfce4 is lightweight, fast, customizable, useful but also free of config files but full with config GUIs.
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• 1116[11:57:34] <petn-randall> ,v i3
• 1117[11:57:35] <judd> Package: i3 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.8-2; stretch: 4.13-1+deb9u1; buster: 4.16.1-1; bullseye: 4.17.1-1; sid: 4.17.1-1
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• 1119[11:58:07] <elios> not sure what to do with that info knives
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• 1121[11:58:50] <petn-randall> elios: Current stable (buster) will always ship with 4.16. For 4.18 to be instable, it needs to be packaged first (since it's not in sid yet), and then make it's way into bullseye, and then in a year or two when it releases it will be the new "stable".
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• 1126[12:00:48] <elios> well that's not always true also v4.18 is stable i3 version. furthermore it says 'all users are strongly encouraged to upgrade'
• 1127[12:01:16] <petn-randall> elios: I'm talking about Debian packages of i3.
• 1128[12:01:28] <elios> same
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• 1131[12:01:38] <petn-randall> ,v i3
• 1132[12:01:39] <judd> Package: i3 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.8-2; stretch: 4.13-1+deb9u1; buster: 4.16.1-1; bullseye: 4.17.1-1; sid: 4.17.1-1
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• 1134[12:01:50] <petn-randall> elios: ^^^ 4.18 isn't even packaged yet.
• 1135[12:01:55] <ice9> journal should be stored in /var/log/journal right?
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• 1137[12:02:07] <petn-randall> ice9: Not unless you configure it so.
• 1138[12:02:13] <elios> that's why i'm here asking
• 1139[12:02:17] <ice9> petn-randall, where is the default location?
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• 1141[12:02:29] <petn-randall> ice9: By default the journal is not persistent.
• 1142[12:02:47] <ice9> petn-randall, that's a debian thing?
• 1143[12:03:09] <ice9> petn-randall, well it's showing logs from yesterday only and i need to view older logs
• 1144[12:03:10] <petn-randall> Yes, that's how it's configured in Debian. No idea how other distros handle it.
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• 1147[12:03:33] <petn-randall> ice9: /var/log/ contains logs from further back.
• 1148[12:03:45] <ice9> petn-randall, nothing there
• 1149[12:03:49] <elios> i'm fully aware of what versions are available for each release
• 1150[12:04:06] <ice9> petn-randall, under which name? /var/log/?
• 1151[12:04:14] <petn-randall> elios: So if your question is "when will 4.18 be in buster?", the answer is "it won't happen".
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• 1153[12:04:19] <ice9> petn-randall, there is no /var/log/journal
• 1154[12:04:26] <jelly> knives: iptables-persistent does not come installed by default, and even when you install it, the rules.* files are not generated automatically
• 1155[12:04:42] <jim> elios, you could always build it yourself, or better, build the one from bullseye, into a debian package, and install that... other than those two, you're stuck while the devs start working with it, test it and upload it
• 1156[12:04:53] <petn-randall> ice9: What do you mean with nothing there? What's the output of `ls /var/log/`?
• 1157[12:05:19] <knives> jelly: must have come as a dependency then?
• 1158[12:05:30] <petn-randall> elios: It will likely be in bullseye, though. Which will release in 1-2 years.
• 1159[12:05:48] <elios> we'll see
• 1160[12:05:58] <jelly> knives: "aptitude why iptables-persistent"
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• 1162[12:06:02] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport i3
• 1163[12:06:03] <judd> Backporting package i3 in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
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• 1165[12:06:24] <knives> jelly: apt, apt-get or aptitude, which one to use in general? :P
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• 1167[12:06:34] <petn-randall> elios: If no new dependencies get added for the packaged 4.18, you could trivially backport it yourself for buster, though.
• 1168[12:06:44] <jelly> knives: the one that works for the intended purpose. I use all of them.
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• 1170[12:07:28] <elios> i could just build it but it would be nice seing it in stable at least backported
• 1171[12:07:30] <ice9> petn-randall, i mean there is no /var/log/journal , there are other logs
• 1172[12:07:55] <knives> this is odd.. netfilter-persistent installs iptables-persistent
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• 1178[12:08:09] <jim> knives, apt-get was originally the test of the apt libs... worked so well it got wild-fire popular
• 1179[12:08:22] <petn-randall> ice9: Soooo ... have you tried looking at the other logs? Because that's where your logs will be that you're looking for.
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• 1186[12:10:25] <knives> jim: do you need to clean the cache once in a while? arch got this thing where pacman piles up old packages in /var/cache and store every version of every package that you've installed ever.
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• 1198[12:13:27] <jim> knives, the debian installed package db stores info about packages that are installed, and at least for awhile about packages that were installed and subsequently removed
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• 1200[12:17:50] <knives> jim: do I need to manually maintain it though as to keep the disk free of needless junk? Arch require you to install some cache cleaning cron thingie.
• 1201[12:18:17] <jim> no, it takes care of that stuff itself
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• 1203[12:19:33] <knives> gr8 :3
• 1204[12:19:44] <jim> if you want debian, you'd want that installed package database... without it, it's more like linux from scratch (only way to get new stuff is to compile it)
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• 1206[12:21:25] <jim> an inportant part of that database is the dependency relation between packages,,, when you install a package, you also install its dependencies
• 1207[12:22:35] <jim> debian is largely a binary distribution that's been divided into packages
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• 1209[12:24:11] <jim> I've been told that to update arch, you have to update all of its packages, and you have no choice for that.. with debian, you can choose to do such an upgrade. or to install or upgrade a single package
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• 1211[12:26:02] <jim> apt, apt-get and aptitude all have different ways of resolving the package dependencies
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• 1215[12:27:37] <knives> I know :P. It's just that arch keeps old downloaded packages indefinitely.
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• 1217[12:28:06] <jim> when you zoom all the way out, you find that debian is able to automatically build the entirity of itself, and place the resulting packages in an archive
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• 1222[12:32:08] <BCMM> actually, what *does* debian do with old downloaded packages? do they just stick around until you do apt clean, or does something automatic happen?
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• 1225[12:33:08] <jim> oh, ok... so: when any of apt, aptitude, apt-get downloads packages, it keeps the files of those packages in /var/cache/apt/archives, and you need those until they're installed... they will stay in that dir until you do apt clean
• 1226[12:35:14] <jim> BCMM, I don't know of any automatic process that removes them
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• 1264[13:08:05] <fuxxy> How would I find out the available/valid options for mount.nfs4?
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• 1268[13:10:32] <jim> try man mount.nfs4, and if none, try man mount
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• 1291[13:26:58] <BCMM> fuxxy; jim: looks like it's `man nfs`
• 1292[13:27:14] <BCMM> according to the manpage and the --help output
• 1293[13:27:33] <fuxxy> I did that, and couldnt find the section for nfs-specific mount options
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• 1296[13:29:11] <dvs> fuxxy, man 8 mount.nfs
• 1297[13:30:01] <dvs> fuxxy, oh BCMM is right
• 1298[13:30:25] <BCMM> fuxxy: did which?
• 1299[13:30:37] <dvs> man 5 nfs
• 1300[13:30:47] <BCMM> fuxxy: man nfs, section MOUNT OPTIONS
• 1301[13:31:45] <fuxxy> aha, man nfs
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• 1303[13:31:51] <fuxxy> Thanks, guys
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• 1305[13:31:56] <dvs> ???
• 1306[13:32:05] <dvs> what did you use before?
• 1307[13:32:08] <fuxxy> man mount
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• 1309[13:32:53] <fuxxy> I was under the impression mount.nfs4 was just a wrapper for mount -t nfs -o nfsvers=4
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• 1311[13:33:19] <dvs> other way around
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• 1329[13:41:47] <meshugga> Hi
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• 1332[13:42:20] <meshugga> my system is immediately rebooting after booting, but not if I go into rescue mode and then systemctl start multi-user.target or if I start with systemd.confirm_spawn=1
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• 1336[13:43:00] <meshugga> the only insight I have is this still of a video I took where I can see that it is actually an "orderly" reboot, not a crash or something like that:
• 1337[13:43:08] <meshugga> replaced-url
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• 1412[14:29:29] <petn-randall> meshugga: You should be able to boot into rescue mode and check the logs.
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• 1414[14:29:43] <petn-randall> They will hopefully tell you what exactly is the reason for the reboot.
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• 1417[14:32:06] <meshugga> petn-randall: the reboot was a racing issue between an @reboot cron script and networking that didn't occur when boot was sufficiently delayed
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• 1419[14:32:41] <Namarrgon> is 'her0' an official bot?
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• 1433[14:43:01] <BCMM> Namarrgon: i'm curious now. what indication is there that her0 is even a bot?
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• 1435[14:46:13] <Namarrgon> BCMM: it logs this channel and publishes the logs on the web
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• 1459[14:52:45] <rtest> hi
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• 1462[14:54:24] <dvs> ciao a tutti!
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• 1464[14:56:26] <Haohmaru> moi don't schprachen ze francois
• 1465[14:56:41] <jelly> dvs: you can't just say that without doing !list right after, it's not a complete experience
• 1466[14:56:49] <dvs> heh
• 1467[14:57:04] <colo-work> I was very tempted to chip in
• 1468[14:57:22] <jelly> relaxen und enjoyen der blinkenlitchen.
• 1469[14:57:47] <jelly> s/tch/cht/
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• 1472[14:58:04] <colo-work> ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
• 1473[14:58:20] <diogenes_> Hello guys, smtree doesn't show any shares on the network however i see them in etherape, i've followed a few tutorials, added wins support = yes to the smb.conf, installed smbclient samba smbnetfs libnss-winbind libpam-winbind, added the user to the smabashares group, still nothing smbtree could list on the WORKGROUP network, does anyone have any clues?
• 1474[14:58:27] <diogenes_> smbtree*
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• 1478[14:59:02] <jelly> diogenes_: did you want to ask that in #samba or something
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• 1480[14:59:31] <diogenes_> jelly, ok i'm gonna ask there too, thanks.
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• 1484[15:02:37] <zodd_> diogenes_, firewall?
• 1485[15:03:07] <diogenes_> zodd_, i've just disabled the firewall and now it's all good, forgot about it, thanks!
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• 1487[15:04:18] <zodd_> no problem
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• 1495[15:08:09] <petn-randall> meshugga: Oh, glad you got it fixed.
• 1496[15:08:43] <ws2k3> replaced-url
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• 1501[15:11:55] <themill> ws2k3: you might need to help us understand what you find strange about it
• 1502[15:12:25] <ws2k3> is it a folder? is it a folder in a hidden dir? i dont quite understand the output
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• 1506[15:13:13] <themill> "it"?
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• 1508[15:14:07] <themill> (I'd guess that someone forgot a "/" when scripting something)
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• 1510[15:14:41] <Namarrgon> BCMM: replaced-url
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• 1512[15:17:58] <EdePopede> ws2k3: 1st character tells you what it is. and if it starts with . then it is hidden.
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• 1548[15:41:36] <debiannoob> Good morning, I installed Buster on a really old 32bit Thinkpad. With xfce, it works pretty well and firefox is okay, but any other browser I use loads a black screen. Anyone have any idea?
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• 1558[15:46:54] <jelly> debiannoob: there's only one remaining browser for general use, chromium
• 1559[15:47:01] <jelly> apart from firefox
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• 1575[15:57:23] <zodd_> or resort to text based browsers (usually not very handy): links, links2, lynx
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• 1589[16:06:36] <EdePopede> btw, which one was the one that could display tables and images?
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• 1627[16:26:08] <deadrom> hi
• 1628[16:26:32] <deadrom> iSCSI target mounted on 2 servers, how do I prevent a mess?
• 1629[16:27:10] <jelly> by being very, very careful and setting up a cluster with STONITH
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• 1639[16:32:43] <deadrom> it is not possible to have two nodes act on the same iSCSI target and agree on who does what and when on the filesystem?
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• 1641[16:34:13] <jelly> yes, it's called a cluster.
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• 1644[16:36:07] <jelly> there are some filesystem types that allow to be mounted on multiple hosts, they are called: clustered file systems
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• 1646[16:36:11] <deadrom> I mean simultaneously
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• 1649[16:37:04] <deadrom> no way to have several machines act as one FS and orgnaize themselves?
• 1650[16:37:12] <greycat> NFS
• 1651[16:37:30] <ratrace> deadrom: GlusterFS for example.
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• 1653[16:37:40] <ratrace> nfs doesn't act as one fs among several machines
• 1654[16:37:47] <ratrace> ie ain't distributed fs
• 1655[16:37:59] <jelly> glusterfs is an example of a distributed file system. The backend is not a single block device.
• 1656[16:38:29] <deadrom> that's what I meant. single block device in the end
• 1657[16:38:32] <jelly> nfs is a network files system, the client also do not access a block device but talk to a (single) NFS server
• 1658[16:38:50] <ratrace> deadrom: you can always pile up LVM atop of NBD :)
• 1659[16:39:20] <jelly> deadrom: clustered file systems are complex beasts.
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• 1662[16:40:18] <jelly> maybe you can set up glusterfs or Ceph instead.
• 1663[16:40:29] <deadrom> in the scenario one could have just exported SMB instead of iSCSI and all would be well... dissecting someone elses monster, always great fun
• 1664[16:40:56] <deadrom> or NFS then even
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• 1666[16:41:49] <jelly> if you have a shared block device, an active/passive HA cluster with heartbeat and failover and shooting the other node in the head to avoid split brain, is typical setup
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• 1668[16:42:26] <jelly> well, not to avoid split brain, to avoid corruption when split happens.
• 1669[16:43:50] <deadrom> let's say you have more than one cluster resource. one is attached to that storage, the next to another. now group 1 fails and is spawned on the other node. if I stonith I kill the working group on the other node
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• 1679[16:50:01] <jelly> deadrom: only one node can be active.
• 1680[16:50:50] <jelly> or: don't run multiple clusters on same pair of nodes
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• 1724[17:11:42] <mmlj4> does boot.local or rc.local or whatever still exist? or what's an easy way to get ad-hoc things to run at boot, please?
• 1725[17:11:48] <greycat> !rc.local
• 1726[17:11:48] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
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• 1728[17:12:58] <greycat> dpkg, rc.local =~ s/stretch/stretch or newer/
• 1729[17:12:58] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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• 1744[17:17:14] <greycat> !du-sh
• 1745[17:17:21] <greycat> oops, wrong channel
• 1746[17:17:22] <rgr> mmlj4 adding systemd services is surprisingly easy and robust.
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• 1752[17:22:52] <manipadme> why would i get Cannot open: No such file or directory when trying to extract an archive when the file is definitely present
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• 1754[17:23:32] <greycat> obviously we can just read through the internet to see the command you ran, the file you're operating upon, etc. so there's no need to tell us any useful details.
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• 1757[17:25:07] <sponix2ipfw> Seems legit
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• 1764[17:29:04] <manipadme> am thinking the file might be corrupted though its signs gpg ok
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• 1767[17:30:08] <jelly> manipadme: which filesystem is the file stored on? What's the actual complete command line you're using and full output?
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• 1769[17:30:19] <jelly> which filesystem type*
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• 1784[17:38:11] <groute> coucou
• 1785[17:38:12] <mzajc> How is Plasma 5.17 rollout going for bullseye? I've just updated and it seems a bit broken.
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• 1787[17:39:32] <mmlj4> it worked. thanks.
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• 1793[17:43:23] <manipadme> hmm filesystem like ext4 ?
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• 1797[17:45:44] <jelly> yes
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• 1804[17:47:32] <manipadme> ext4 then it's default buster
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• 1814[17:51:41] <manipadme> ya corrput file sigh
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• 1817[17:54:29] <mzajc> Does anyone know anything about my issue on [17:38]?
• 1818[17:55:00] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1819[17:55:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1820[17:55:04] <Haohmaru> ur clock is 1 hour behind
• 1821[17:55:04] <manipadme> mzajc: would only be 17:38 on your system
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• 1823[17:55:57] <mzajc> I see
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• 1826[17:56:20] <Zelda> Is it recommended to encrypt /home only or should I encrypt / too?
• 1827[17:56:31] <jelly> recommended for what?
• 1828[17:56:47] <Haohmaru> top sikrit james bond sh*t
• 1829[17:56:48] <Zelda> idk, I thought there's what you recommend.
• 1830[17:57:23] <mzajc> depends on how much security you need
• 1831[17:57:45] * jelly needs about 3.50 security
• 1832[17:57:45] <mzajc> I wouldn't encrypt specific directories, though, rather create encrypted partitions
• 1833[17:57:50] <Haohmaru> and.. how about if eventually sh*t hits the fan and your stuff is.. encrypted
• 1834[17:57:53] <Zelda> I've read some user data is in /tmp or some other dirs..
• 1835[17:58:09] <mzajc> you can just wipe that everytime you log off
• 1836[17:58:16] <mzajc> or shut down
• 1837[17:58:18] <greycat> or use /tmp in ram
• 1838[17:58:25] <Haohmaru> who logs off
• 1839[17:58:37] <Zelda> ok
• 1840[17:58:49] <jelly> mzajc: care yuo repeat your question? I seem to have accidentally left the channel for a couple minutes there
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• 1842[17:58:58] <mzajc> [or use /tmp in ram] wouldn't recommend that if you use the likes of gifine that spam 8 gigs into your /tmp in a few seconds
• 1843[17:59:09] <mzajc> jelly: How is Plasma 5.17 rollout going for bullseye? I've just updated and it seems a bit broken.
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• 1845[17:59:14] <Haohmaru> jelly don't let the steering wheel go!
• 1846[17:59:22] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1847[17:59:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1848[17:59:38] <mzajc> you've redirected me to that channel already
• 1849[17:59:46] <jelly> good :-D
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• 1851[17:59:52] <mzajc> oh, wait, I was posting in #debian on otfc
• 1852[18:00:10] <jelly> this is freenode right now
• 1853[18:00:18] <mzajc> I know, I know
• 1854[18:00:20] <Haohmaru> i can confirm
• 1855[18:00:34] <jelly> okay, if was probably freenode 20 minutes ago as well.
• 1856[18:00:41] <greycat> it was.
• 1857[18:00:46] * jelly wasn't there
• 1858[18:00:59] <Haohmaru> very irresponsible of u
• 1859[18:01:02] <greycat> freenode wasn't ready for that jelly
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• 1861[18:01:56] <wwilliam> Is there a way to install shrewsoft in Buster?
• 1862[18:02:10] <jelly> shrewsoft... vpn?
• 1863[18:02:13] <wwilliam> yes
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• 1866[18:02:26] <Haohmaru> by its name it sounds proprietary ;P~
• 1867[18:02:35] <jelly> I'm going to go with "not easily"
• 1868[18:02:46] <wwilliam> OK Thank you jelly
• 1869[18:02:52] <jelly> since binaries seem to be 2013-2015 or so
• 1870[18:02:59] <wwilliam> Correct.
• 1871[18:03:10] <jelly> wwilliam: which vpn concentrator are you trying to connect to again?
• 1872[18:03:19] * jelly forgets
• 1873[18:03:44] <wwilliam> IPsec
• 1874[18:03:45] <wwilliam> replaced-url
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• 1876[18:03:56] <jelly> which hardware precisely?
• 1877[18:04:05] <wwilliam> that I do not know
• 1878[18:04:07] <jelly> there are lots of ipsec-based vpn servers.
• 1879[18:04:15] <jelly> can you ask?
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• 1881[18:04:24] <wwilliam> I will.
• 1882[18:04:44] <jelly> vpnc supports a small number of those.
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• 1884[18:04:50] <wwilliam> Thanks will let you know once i have the info, will tha info be in the .vpn export file?
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• 1886[18:04:58] <jelly> it won't
• 1887[18:05:04] <wwilliam> Oh OK.
• 1888[18:05:43] <jelly> did you try installing it inside a stretch or jessie chroot?
• 1889[18:06:03] <wwilliam> jesse is fine stretch is fine also
• 1890[18:06:09] <wwilliam> only buster problem
• 1891[18:06:10] <jelly> chroot?
• 1892[18:06:13] <wwilliam> no
• 1893[18:06:20] <wwilliam> no chroot
• 1894[18:06:30] <jelly> then: try installing it inside a stretch or jessie chroot.
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• 1898[18:07:02] <wwilliam> the only thing I have to do in those 2 to make it work is make sures iked is running other ways just do iked
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• 1901[18:07:39] <wwilliam> jelly: it works fine in those 2 without the chroot thinghie, in Buster is the issue.
• 1902[18:08:19] <jelly> wwilliam: on your buster installation, create a stretch chroot installation, then try installing your vpn thing inside that.
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• 1904[18:08:53] <wwilliam> ah OK will reasearch that I have no idea how to do that but I will read. Thanks again jelly
• 1905[18:09:06] <Haohmaru> debception
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• 1907[18:09:13] <jelly> !debootstrap
• 1908[18:09:13] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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• 1910[18:09:36] <wwilliam> Thank you!!
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• 1912[18:10:57] <jelly> if you do not understand a part of an answer, it's a good idea to say which part you need more explanation on
• 1913[18:11:20] <wwilliam> Reading.....
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• 1915[18:11:43] <jelly> (rather than just ignoring the words you didn't understand)
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• 1918[18:12:29] <Haohmaru> "Sure, you can stick your fingers in the wall outlet. But u gon b muerte."
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• 1923[18:14:17] <wwilliam> muerto.
• 1924[18:14:38] <Haohmaru> whateverto
• 1925[18:14:40] <Haohmaru> ;P~
• 1926[18:14:46] <wwilliam> ha ha
• 1927[18:14:55] <greycat> the three words before it were also misspelled, so maybe it was intended ;-)
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• 1929[18:15:14] <Haohmaru> no, akchually i have no idea how it's spelled
• 1930[18:15:24] <Haohmaru> the other misspellings were intentional
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• 1933[18:17:55] <Haohmaru> ,v inkscape
• 1934[18:17:56] <judd> Package: inkscape on amd64 -- jessie: 0.48.5-3; stretch: 0.92.1-1; buster: 0.92.4-3; bullseye: 0.92.4-5; sid: 0.92.4-5; experimental: 1.0~beta2-1
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• 1936[18:19:30] <wwilliam> Is this supost to be broken?
• 1937[18:19:31] <wwilliam> replaced-url
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• 1939[18:19:55] <wwilliam> I click on this:
• 1940[18:19:56] <greycat> what links to that?
• 1941[18:19:57] <wwilliam> Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide -- Appendix D.3: Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System
• 1942[18:20:16] <wwilliam> replaced-url
• 1943[18:20:38] <greycat> ok, so we just have to track down where the page moved to...
• 1944[18:21:10] <greycat> ah, they made it *.en.html
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• 1947[18:21:39] <greycat> fixed
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• 1950[18:25:07] <jelly> wwilliam: you won't need a whole system with boot loader and kernel and maybe not even an init, just enough userspace to install and run the thing you want to run
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• 1954[18:25:53] <wwilliam> Ok.
• 1955[18:26:02] <greycat> "userspace" here means "software packages and stuff"
• 1956[18:26:29] <greycat> everything that's not a boot loader, a kernel, a driver, or firmware
• 1957[18:26:53] <wwilliam> OK trying..
• 1958[18:26:54] <greycat> (or microcode)
• 1959[18:27:00] <wwilliam> Thank you greycat and jelly
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• 1961[18:28:02] <wwilliam> trying now:
• 1962[18:28:04] <wwilliam> mkdir /jessie-chroot
• 1963[18:28:05] <wwilliam> debootstrap jessie /jessie-chroot replaced-url
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• 1967[18:29:57] <de-facto> What would i need to install in order to use iptables "owner"?
• 1968[18:30:33] <de-facto> i always get "iptables v1.8.2 (nf_tables): Couldn't load match `owner':No such file or directory"
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• 1970[18:31:03] <jelly> de-facto: what is the actual iptables command you're running?
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• 1972[18:31:25] <wwilliam> I: Base system installed successfully.
• 1973[18:31:52] <de-facto> jelly, iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT ! -o lo -p tcp -m owner --uid-owner anonymous -m tcp -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9040
• 1974[18:32:31] <jelly> de-facto: alright, you did not forget -m owner. Do you have control of the kernel on this system, or is it some sort of container?
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• 1976[18:32:44] <de-facto> i think i need something like this: replaced-url
• 1977[18:33:15] <de-facto> its openwrt kernel buster in LXC, so i could not really patch that, but on openwrt itself it works
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• 1979[18:33:49] <de-facto> jelly trying to implement transparent proxy for anonymous user inside buster LXC
• 1980[18:34:04] <de-facto> routing traffic through tor on openwrt
• 1981[18:34:08] <jelly> well there you go then. Lots of iptables things won't work inside lxc.
• 1982[18:34:37] <de-facto> so iptables inside LXC is a nogo then?
• 1983[18:34:38] <jelly> you might work around that by loading relevant kernel modules manually from outside of it in advance.
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• 1985[18:34:55] <jelly> iptables yes. Not all extensions/modules.
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• 1987[18:35:50] <de-facto> it works on openwrt host, I created same UID/GID on both OpenWRT/Debian and now trying to get the match owner also to work for the LXC Buster
• 1988[18:35:51] <jelly> iptables command sometimes tries to load kernel modules if it needs them (if they're not already there)
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• 1990[18:36:49] <jelly> I have no idea how to match uid/gid inside lxc to uid/gid outside and in the kernel, sorry.
• 1991[18:37:36] <de-facto> trying to implement this here for both Host/LXC: replaced-url
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• 1999[18:40:10] <jelly> de-facto: lxc probably sets up separate user namespace and maybe also net namespace for each container, see if you can figure out how to map those to what the host sees. And then set up rules only on the host.
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• 2001[18:40:50] <de-facto> jelly so the host sees different UID/GID for users from LXC then?
• 2002[18:40:58] <jelly> absolutely yes.
• 2003[18:41:05] <tds> lxc won't do uid remapping unless you manually set it to in the config, and give it a file for the maps
• 2004[18:41:09] <de-facto> ah yeah makes sense that would explain nit
• 2005[18:41:43] <jelly> de-facto: otherwise, root inside lxc would be able to do all the things root of the host can do
• 2006[18:42:22] <tds> de-facto: what does your container's config look like?
• 2007[18:42:34] <de-facto> yes absolutely makes sense, yet i have to figure out how that mapping works
• 2008[18:42:39] <jelly> but there's probably a saner way to grab and route traffic for the whole containers.
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• 2011[18:44:06] <de-facto> jelly i could do mapping for the whole container, but actually I would like to differentiate between traffic that should go through tor and clearnet, so having a "anonymous" user in LXC for tor traffic actually would be really neat
• 2012[18:44:30] <tds> de-facto: if you made it unprivileged, you should find the config in ~/.local/share/lxc/containername/config - for created system-wide, you'll find it in /var/lib/lxc/containername/config
• 2013[18:44:37] <jelly> or you could... usetwo different containers?
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• 2016[18:47:26] <de-facto> tds, currently it looks like this: replaced-url
• 2017[18:48:05] <tds> that looks privileged to me, ie it won't do uid remapping
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• 2022[18:49:28] <de-facto> tds, I am not sure I understand the difference (un)privileged and what it means in regards to UID remapping
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• 2024[18:50:05] <tds> privileged = no uid remapping, uid 0 in the container is uid 0 on the host
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• 2026[18:50:17] <tds> unprivileged = remapping so that uid 0 in the container is something non-privileged on the host
• 2027[18:51:05] <de-facto> ah yes of course
• 2028[18:52:03] <de-facto> do you know if unprivileged remapping can be controlled in a deterministic matter, i.e. map uid between host/lxc?
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• 2033[18:53:19] <wwilliam> Ok jelly everything installed ok shrewsoft and all I just can not start the x server from within the /jessie-chroot
• 2034[18:53:30] <wwilliam> afernandez@KanotixBox:~$ qikea
• 2035[18:53:30] <greycat> ... the x server
• 2036[18:53:31] <wwilliam> qikea: cannot connect to X server
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• 2038[18:53:49] <greycat> this VPN thing you wanted to run, it's *X* based ?!
• 2039[18:53:54] <wwilliam> yes
• 2040[18:54:13] <mzajc> do you mean vnc or did I miss something
• 2041[18:54:43] <greycat> wwilliam is installing some sort of proprietary VPN program called "shrewsoft", and it doesn't work in buster, so he set up a stretch chroot to install it into
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• 2043[18:55:09] <greycat> !kanotix
• 2044[18:55:10] <dpkg> Kanotix is a live CD Linux distribution based on Debian 7 "Wheezy" (as of Kanotix Dragonfire). It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 2045[18:55:10] <tds> de-facto: yes
• 2046[18:55:26] <tds> de-facto: eg a container here has lxc.idmap = u 0 100000 65536
• 2047[18:55:48] <tds> you need it to be deterministic so that you don't get in a mess with filesystem ownership etc
• 2048[18:55:52] <wwilliam> dont matter if its kanotix
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• 2051[18:56:11] <jelly> wwilliam: bind-mount /tmp and your $HOME into the chroot, and set DISPLAY variable inside it to the value that it has outside
• 2052[18:56:11] <de-facto> tds, oh neat, so i could add that to the lxc config and retry
• 2053[18:56:15] <wwilliam> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)"
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• 2055[18:56:22] <tds> de-facto: don't add that to an existing config
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• 2057[18:56:27] <tds> unless you know exact what you're doing
• 2058[18:56:30] <de-facto> tds why not?
• 2059[18:56:32] <greycat> the lies are piling up
• 2060[18:56:52] <tds> because uid 0 in your container won't be able to read/write to bits of its filesystem anymore
• 2061[18:56:52] <jelly> wwilliam: there are tools that do these things for you but I don't remember any names.
• 2062[18:56:53] <de-facto> tds, just created that user, so no real problems for fs i guess
• 2063[18:57:03] <wwilliam> OK
• 2064[18:57:05] <jelly> wwilliam: wait, you're not on actual Debian?
• 2065[18:57:06] <mzajc> does this shrewsoft thingy not have a cli interface and that's what you need X for?
• 2066[18:57:29] <wwilliam> well no, but i have a buster box that i need to do this into
• 2067[18:57:36] <de-facto> tds, I added "anonymous" user on both Host/LXC with UID=128 and GID=128
• 2068[18:58:00] <de-facto> so i would need to map that for the tcp/udp iptables -m owner
• 2069[18:58:04] <jelly> wwilliam: things might be different on a live boot of kanotix vs. on buster...
• 2070[18:58:27] <de-facto> that is iptables on the Host
• 2071[18:58:29] <wwilliam> VERSION="10 (buster)"
• 2072[18:58:34] <wwilliam> this is not live
• 2073[18:58:40] <wwilliam> is a vm
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• 2075[18:58:58] <jelly> wwilliam: which is why volunteers in this channel insist on replicating the problem on actual debian
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• 2077[18:59:05] <wwilliam> ok I have to search how to this now:wwilliam: bind-mount /tmp and your $HOME into the chroot, and set DISPLAY variable inside it to the value that it has outside
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• 2080[18:59:35] <wwilliam> ok jelly I will come back tonight with the actual buster that is at home
• 2081[18:59:52] <jelly> great to hear that
• 2082[18:59:53] <wwilliam> in the mean time I will try do the binding-mount thinghie.
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• 2084[19:00:07] <wwilliam> Thank you for your help
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• 2091[19:02:40] <wwilliam> Ok I have a buster vm right now i will do the chroot thinghie and i will be back.
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• 2093[19:03:10] <de-facto> tds, so for UID_HOST=128=UID_LXC would I add lxc.idmap = u 128 128 1 ?
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• 2100[19:05:43] <tds> why are you trying to remap in the first place?
• 2101[19:06:03] <tds> for a priv container, the uid in the container is the uid on the host, it's as simple as that
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• 2106[19:06:46] <Zelda> I'm considering using fscrypt now. Is this secure?
• 2107[19:06:57] <de-facto> tds, i thought this container is unpriv
• 2108[19:08:18] <tds> none of the config you pasted suggested that
• 2109[19:08:23] <tds> easy enough way to tell anyway, do `ps auxf` on the host, see if your processes inside the container are running as mapped or unmapped users?
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• 2113[19:09:59] <de-facto> I just broke it by adding that lxc.idmap = u 128 128 1 , one moment need to reboot
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• 2133[19:18:01] <de-facto> tds, hmm running "sudo -H -u anonymous /bin/bash" on the LXC appears as "anonymous" USER in "ps auxf" on the Host
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• 2135[19:20:25] <de-facto> but running "sudo -H -u anonymous curl -i replaced-url
• 2136[19:21:14] <de-facto> that is without that lxc.idmap = u 128 128 1
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• 2140[19:25:49] <de-facto> what does "iptables ... ! -o lo ..." mean?
• 2141[19:26:04] <de-facto> in the OUTPUT table
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• 2147[19:27:17] <wwilliam> hello
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• 2158[19:30:44] <burak> Merhaba
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• 2169[19:33:34] <Zelda> Seriously, why do I need /boot and /boot/efi if I only have EFI and no more CSM?
• 2170[19:34:16] <Zelda> Debian requires /boot AND /boot/efi, otherwise I cannot continue with the installation.
• 2171[19:34:19] <Zelda> This is sick!
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• 2173[19:35:02] <greycat> /boot does not have to be a separate partition
• 2174[19:35:14] <Zelda> It does, says the installer.
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• 2176[19:35:28] <greycat> my home system has /boot as a directory inside /, and it has /boot/efi separately
• 2177[19:35:37] <diogenes_> Zelda, it doesn't require boot unless you use encryption.
• 2178[19:35:45] <Zelda> I want encryption.
• 2179[19:35:49] <Zelda> Why is /boot required for that?
• 2180[19:36:01] <greycat> because the boot loader has to be able to execute the kernel
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• 2182[19:36:12] <Zelda> I want to use EFISTUB.
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• 2194[19:41:03] <jelly> Zelda: you don't have to use the installer to install debian, it does not support all the possible boot loaders and layouts
• 2195[19:41:30] <Zelda> What can I use instead?
• 2196[19:41:33] <jelly> if you want something that debian-installer cannot deal with yet,
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• 2200[19:42:14] <jelly> you can set up disks and partitions and encryption by yourself manually from a live linux, then use
• 2201[19:42:16] <jelly> !debootstrap
• 2202[19:42:17] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
• 2203[19:42:18] <Akuw> every time i run "rsync -zvrh" i get all list of transfered files
• 2204[19:42:33] <jelly> Akuw: what does -v option do?
• 2205[19:42:50] <Akuw> verbose
• 2206[19:43:08] <Akuw> then how can i see only new files?
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• 2211[19:44:32] <jelly> Akuw: read about --progress and various --info stuff in the manual
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• 2225[19:47:57] <wwilliam> ok so how do i do this?
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• 2227[19:48:34] <wwilliam> bind-mount /tmp and your $HOME into the chroot, and set DISPLAY variable inside it to the value that it has outside
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• 2234[19:50:04] <wwilliam> I have installed everythin i am stuck here:
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• 2236[19:50:18] <wwilliam> afernandez@buster:~$ qikea
• 2237[19:50:19] <wwilliam> qikea: cannot connect to X server
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• 2239[19:50:58] <jelly> !bind mount
• 2240[19:50:59] <dpkg> If you want to bind mount a directory somewhere else: mount -t $filesystem --bind /dev /chrooted/system/dev (for example). $filesystem is whatever FS that directory is mounted as, be it tmpfs or jfs or .... read man mount (and do /bind) for details.
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• 2242[19:51:12] <jelly> <jelly> do that with, uh, /tmp, and /etc/passwd, and /home
• 2243[19:51:12] <jelly> <-- afernandez has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
• 2244[19:51:13] <jelly> <jelly> and then see if you can open a shell as your normal user inside that chroot. roughly, as root: chroot /wherever/jessie-chroot su - youruser
• 2245[19:51:18] <greycat> "I ran this mount command ____ and this mount command ____ and then I chrooted in and set the value of DISPLAY to ____"
• 2246[19:51:45] <jelly> they accidentally to oftc 5 minutes ago
• 2247[19:51:57] <wwilliam> OK testing...
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• 2250[19:52:03] <wwilliam> Thanks jelly
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• 2252[19:52:14] <jelly> and left right in the middle of explanations
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• 2263[19:59:56] <kreyren> i have `curl -L replaced-url
• 2264[20:00:32] <kreyren> expecting to wrap this in if statement
• 2265[20:00:36] <greycat> if the man page doesn't tell you, then you could source-dive to find out. what "logic"? what "sanitize"? why can't you just let it do whatever it wants?
• 2266[20:01:10] <greycat> if curl | apt-key; then echo "it seems to have worked"; else echo "crap, something blew up"; fi
• 2267[20:01:21] <wwilliam> mount -t ext4 --bind /tmp /jessie-chroot/media/tmp/
• 2268[20:01:22] <kreyren> greycat, because the key is important without which the runtime breaks
• 2269[20:01:23] <wwilliam> mount: bad usage
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• 2273[20:01:43] <greycat> kreyren: but you JUST SAID that you only wanted to apply an "if" to the command
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• 2275[20:01:49] <kreyren> greycat, i would rather check the location on the filesystem instead of checking for exit status
• 2276[20:01:51] <greycat> you don't CARE where the key is physically stored
• 2277[20:02:04] <kreyren> i do
• 2278[20:02:24] <kreyren> since the step is expected to make sure that the key is present to pull rest of the packages
• 2279[20:02:30] <greycat> then read the man page or the source code and write stupid broken code that will cease working as soon as apt-key changes the location in a future release
• 2280[20:03:10] <kreyren> i can regex the location from source code for that location if that becames an issue, man does not mension this
• 2281[20:03:33] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2282[20:03:44] <kreyren> *pong*
• 2283[20:03:59] <greycat> one or two more of these and I'll have to make this one permanent.
• 2284[20:04:04] <greycat> this guy... man.
• 2285[20:04:13] * kreyren likes sanitization
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• 2301[20:10:37] <urxtnw> I am having trouble with my laptop going into "suspend" when battery is critical. Changelog in gnome says Version 3.17.2
• 2302[20:10:37] <urxtnw> - Remove critical-battery-action key as it's not used anymore with UPower 1.0. But when I edit /etc/UPower/UPower.conf thresholds are there, and even if I set them to 98 to test it. the computer does not sleep. Any suggestions?
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• 2315[20:23:03] <Guest79852> ok
• 2316[20:23:10] <wwilliam> ok
• 2317[20:23:15] <oft_gegong> ok
• 2318[20:24:24] <wwilliam> /home/afernandez and /tmp are mounted on /jessie-chroot/media/home /jessie-chroot/media/tmp
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• 2328[20:29:33] <misio_> hola
• 2329[20:29:46] <misio_> alguno esta #aws?
• 2330[20:29:55] <greycat> !es
• 2331[20:29:56] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
• 2332[20:30:21] <greycat> (not quite sure what language that was, but it's definitely in the Romance family)
• 2333[20:30:36] <wwilliam> Hola misio
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• 2335[20:30:47] <wwilliam> no soy muy bueno para el debian
• 2336[20:30:51] <wwilliam> pero bienvenido
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• 2338[20:31:20] <wwilliam> El greycat es agresivo pero sabe mucho y ayuda mucho cuando no esta de mal humor
• 2339[20:31:34] <greycat> rawr.
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• 2342[20:32:27] <misio_> hola wwiliam y tambien greycat aunque sea agresivo jaja
• 2343[20:32:28] <wwilliam> ok let me see the DISPLAY thinghie
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• 2346[20:33:07] <mzajc> :0
• 2347[20:33:30] <mzajc> I assume
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• 2350[20:34:52] <wwilliam> so this i have to set to the chroot?
• 2351[20:34:54] <wwilliam> echo "$DISPLAY"
• 2352[20:34:55] <wwilliam> :0
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• 2354[20:35:26] <greycat> After changing to your regular user account, yes. export DISPLAY=:0
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• 2356[20:35:50] <wwilliam> ok yes I am afernandez within the chroot already
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• 2361[20:37:06] <jim> misio_, hay un canal ## aws que podría ser de ayuda
• 2362[20:37:27] <misio_> thanks jim!
• 2363[20:37:48] <jim> welcome, and that's aws (not aws)
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• 2365[20:38:14] <jim> looks like lots of people are there
• 2366[20:38:47] <wwilliam> thank you alll!!!!!
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• 2369[20:39:01] <wwilliam> shrewsoft open
• 2370[20:39:04] <wwilliam> :)
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• 2372[20:39:43] <wwilliam> so good I have not been this happy in a long time. Thank you jelly and greycat and everyone else for your time patience and knowledge.
• 2373[20:39:53] <misio_> its not open :(
• 2374[20:40:07] <greycat> but the real question is whether you can tame the shrewsoft
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• 2376[20:40:30] <wwilliam> missio con 2 ##
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• 2378[20:40:44] <greycat> "/join ##aws"
• 2379[20:40:49] <greycat> without the quotes, of course
• 2380[20:40:51] <wwilliam> testing that part now i have to import the .vpn
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• 2385[20:43:57] <misio_> If I do it that way but I don't open the chat, do you?
• 2386[20:44:45] <greycat> maybe they require registration, I don't know
• 2387[20:45:01] <greycat> 14:44 mode/##aws +Ccnrt
• 2388[20:45:04] <greycat> Yeah. They do.
• 2389[20:45:35] <greycat> register and identify with nickserv, and ask #freenode for help if you can't do that
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• 2395[20:48:05] <wwilliam> misio /msg nickserv register misio tupassword
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• 2398[20:48:57] <wwilliam> greycat: it looks like the srewsoft is going to work I will have to test from home. doesnt allow me if im at work.
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• 2412[20:54:58] <terr_> I am ANGRY. I have spent DAYS on this. How is the MBR and VBR set up? Answer. I can't find it in OUR DOCS! It might be there. Douglas Adams noted the problem in the HitchHicker's Guide to the Galaxy. Sure the order to knock down Arthur Dent's house was published: In the 4th basement of on an unused file cabinate in an abandoned building! I found it - look in the Wikipedia. Its right there! How come we don't just COPY IT FROM THE WIKIPEDIA? Its
• 2413[20:54:59] <terr_> legal to do this. Arrggghhh!
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• 2419[20:56:10] <greycat> I don't know what a VBR is. Never heard of it. MBR is legacy boot stuff, a reference to the Master Boot Record at the start of a disk (sector 0).
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• 2422[20:56:27] <greycat> The installer writes boot loader code into the MBR of whichever disk you tell it will be the bootable disk.
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• 2425[20:56:47] <greycat> (Unless you use non-legacy booting, UEFI. Then it's all different.)
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• 2431[20:58:17] <jasperhartline_> actually greycat its cylinder 0 head 0 sector 1
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• 2455[21:11:16] <b1ack0p> is there a way to view GPU specs in terminal?
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• 2458[21:11:36] <b1ack0p> to see how much MB it is
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• 2460[21:11:50] <greycat> "lspci -nn" gives you the basic identification of hardware. sounds like you want something more detailed, though.
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• 2462[21:11:56] <kale> b1ack0p: xorg.0.log perhaps
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• 2465[21:12:19] <b1ack0p> i want to see just how much capacity my GPU has
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• 2469[21:12:59] <edlou> b1ack0p: is it nvidia?
• 2470[21:13:03] <b1ack0p> ATI
• 2471[21:13:06] <kale> is there a "swap on gpu RAM" function available. there is not need for that RAM anyways :-)
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• 2475[21:13:27] <b1ack0p> ATI Radeon 7500
• 2476[21:13:31] <b1ack0p> old piece
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• 2478[21:13:41] <b1ack0p> some says 32mb some says 64mb
• 2479[21:13:56] <b1ack0p> i wanna be sure
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• 2481[21:14:05] <greycat> b1ack0p: inxi -G may be useful as well
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• 2483[21:14:20] <b1ack0p> command not found :p
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• 2485[21:14:23] <edlou> maybe try aticonfig --options
• 2486[21:14:28] <greycat> install it first
• 2487[21:14:33] <edlou> not sure the ati/amd , i know nvidia is nvidia-smi :(
• 2488[21:14:46] <b1ack0p> not sure too
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• 2492[21:15:41] <b1ack0p> how can i update bios on linux?
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• 2495[21:15:57] <b1ack0p> greycat: inxi -G showed some details but not RAM
• 2496[21:16:38] <b1ack0p> AMD RV200/M7 (Mobility Radeon 7500)
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• 2498[21:16:50] <kale> b1ack0p: lshw shows the memory size of my GPU
• 2499[21:17:01] <b1ack0p> OpenGL renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 7.0 128 bits)
• 2500[21:17:11] <fuxxy> b1ack0p, short answer: you don't. You *should* boot a FreeDOS disk to perform BIOS upgrades.
• 2501[21:17:28] <b1ack0p> fuxxy: i need iso right?
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• 2503[21:17:59] <fuxxy> b1ack0p, unless you have a floppy or USB drive
• 2504[21:18:11] <b1ack0p> ok
• 2505[21:18:17] <b1ack0p> kale: lshw didnt show
• 2506[21:19:11] <greycat> b1ack0p: some computers can update their own firmware, from a menu selection within the firmware
• 2507[21:19:34] <b1ack0p> this is old thinkpad t42
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• 2509[21:20:01] <greycat> there's no single answer -- it depends on the machine and the firmware, so you'd need to check your vendor's docs
• 2510[21:20:19] <fuxxy> b1ack0p, replaced-url
• 2511[21:20:45] <tomreyn> glxinfo -B
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• 2513[21:21:54] <b1ack0p> lspci -v -s showed some info about GPU ram
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• 2515[21:22:30] <b1ack0p> Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
• 2516[21:22:34] <b1ack0p> is it 128mb?
• 2517[21:22:55] <greycat> if you get the same value from glxinfo -B and other sources, then maybe probably
• 2518[21:23:09] <b1ack0p> Memory at c0100000 (32bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
• 2519[21:23:28] <greycat> ah, sounds like it's showing you all of the little chunks separately... not what you want
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• 2521[21:23:52] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: what about "glxinfo -B"?
• 2522[21:23:58] <b1ack0p> glxinfo -B shows Video memory: 1002MB
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• 2524[21:24:17] <b1ack0p> what is it?
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• 2526[21:24:37] <b1ack0p> Version: 18.3.6
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• 2528[21:24:53] <b1ack0p> Accelerated: no
• 2529[21:25:00] <b1ack0p> Unified memory: no
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• 2531[21:25:20] <greycat> sounds like you haven't got all of the bits and pieces installed correctly
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• 2533[21:25:26] <b1ack0p> kisser: hope you are not here to kiss :p
• 2534[21:25:36] <b1ack0p> greycat: how can i install?
• 2535[21:25:57] <greycat> is firmware-amd-graphics installed?
• 2536[21:26:25] <b1ack0p> not sure
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• 2539[21:26:46] <b1ack0p> now installing
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• 2542[21:27:48] <b1ack0p> i cant imagine this was very powerful in its time and sold $$$$
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• 2544[21:28:20] <b1ack0p> glxinfo -B still shows Video memory: 1002MB
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• 2546[21:28:55] <greycat> that's not the important bit here, and if you didn't reboot, that firmware hasn't been loaded yet
• 2547[21:29:06] <b1ack0p> oh ok i will reboot
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• 2549[21:29:08] <greycat> the important bit was "15:24 b1ack0p> Accelerated: no"
• 2550[21:29:14] <tomreyn> apparently it has only 32 MB dedicated ddr memory. the vram reported by glxinfo -B will be thatplus shared RAM.
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• 2552[21:29:30] <b1ack0p> rebooting
• 2553[21:29:46] <b1ack0p> another thing.. special volume control keys dont work
• 2554[21:29:48] <b1ack0p> on xfce
• 2555[21:30:12] <b1ack0p> i didnt mind it because it is old machine but if it can be fixed i will be happier
• 2556[21:30:56] <jasperhartline_> thinkpad t42 is a weellll trash machine isnt it?
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• 2558[21:31:48] <b1ack0p> disappointed :/
• 2559[21:31:55] <b1ack0p> glxinfo -B shows :
• 2560[21:32:03] <b1ack0p> Accelerated: yes
• 2561[21:32:08] <greycat> \o/
• 2562[21:32:12] <b1ack0p> Video memory: 32MB
• 2563[21:32:24] <tomreyn> that's how much it has
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• 2565[21:32:28] <b1ack0p> yea
• 2566[21:32:30] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 2567[21:32:34] <b1ack0p> i was expecting 64MB
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• 2570[21:32:49] <b1ack0p> well it was still powerful in that era
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• 2573[21:33:06] <cek> wtf is going on with this debian ssh client
• 2574[21:33:17] <b1ack0p> tomreyn: can i install same firmware for other machine which has ATI gpu also?
• 2575[21:33:28] <b1ack0p> for example T60 with Ati x1300?
• 2576[21:33:31] <oft_gegong> cek, maybe a glitched ssh server?
• 2577[21:33:44] <cek> `ssh -vvv -p22 -i /builds/xx/SSH_KEY ` debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory 139 debug1: identity file /builds/xx/SSH_KEY type -1
• 2578[21:33:51] <cek> how is this even fuckin possible
• 2579[21:33:53] <jasperhartline_> Maybe a bit in its ass.
• 2580[21:33:55] <b1ack0p> i mean greycat
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• 2582[21:34:02] <b1ack0p> can i install same amd firmware ?
• 2583[21:34:05] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: yes, and ATI/AMD branded GPU
• 2584[21:34:06] <b1ack0p> for other machine
• 2585[21:34:12] <b1ack0p> tomreyn: thanks
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• 2587[21:34:17] <greycat> cek: sounds pretty simple...
• 2588[21:34:18] <tomreyn> *anY
• 2589[21:34:25] <cek> the file IS there. ++ cat /builds/xx/SSH_KEY 119 -----BEGIN OPENSSH PRIVATE KEY-----
• 2590[21:34:30] <b1ack0p> well i was having problem on ubuntu if you recall
• 2591[21:34:38] <b1ack0p> with my old T60 but newer than this one
• 2592[21:34:45] <jasperhartline_> You neeedd quotes bro
• 2593[21:35:02] <cek> this is a gitlab CD docker node:12 image that's debian based
• 2594[21:35:14] <jasperhartline_> /builds/xx/"SSH KEY 119"
• 2595[21:35:14] <greycat> cek: the ++ at the beginning strongly implies this is set -x output from some kind of shell script, so god only knows what ELSE you've done
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• 2597[21:35:25] <greycat> cek: perhaps you've got a chroot/container/docker thing going on
• 2598[21:35:38] <greycat> 15:35 cek> this is a gitlab CD docker node:12 image that's debian based
• 2599[21:35:39] <greycat> CALLED IT
• 2600[21:35:51] <cek> greycat: this is killing me. The file is there, I can cat the file
• 2601[21:36:04] <cek> i can fucking read the contents and see what ssh needs
• 2602[21:36:15] <greycat> in the same process from which you can cat the file, can you also run ssh? Directly. not using that script.
• 2603[21:36:36] <cek> oh god, don't be so picky, it's a pipeline file var, it's THERE.
• 2604[21:36:43] <cek> the file is there between the stages.
• 2605[21:37:03] <greycat> If you can ssh directly from the interactive shell where cat works, then you know it's the SCRIPT, or something the script calls, that's screwing you up.
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• 2607[21:37:20] <cek> there's no INTERACTIVE, it's a fucking gitlab CD runner, I can't do shit.
• 2608[21:37:28] <greycat> If there is no interactive shell involved anywhere, then I will !pal docker users.
• 2609[21:37:33] <greycat> !pal docker users
• 2610[21:37:33] * dpkg points at docker users and laughs hysterically
• 2611[21:38:07] <cek> you are wrong, because I've got a docker instance over here that I can INTERACT with and it's doing everything fine
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• 2618[21:40:15] <cek> you know what's funny? is that if I don't chmod the file , ssh complains about file being insecure
• 2619[21:40:18] <cek> for fuck sakes
• 2620[21:40:42] <greycat> Yay! Progress! Fix the permissions on the files and their parent directories. Plural.
• 2621[21:40:59] <greycat> Every directory in the entire path leading to the file must NOT be group- or world-writable.
• 2622[21:41:15] <greycat> If it weren't docker, I'd say to do ls -ld / /home /home/you /home/you/.ssh
• 2623[21:41:17] <cek> yeah, the file has 0400
• 2624[21:41:31] <cek> again, it's not about file, it 's about ssh not seeing it for whatever reason
• 2625[21:41:37] <greycat> It's almost always a DIRECTORY with the too-large permissions, not the file.
• 2626[21:41:47] <cek> it's a home dir, it's fine
• 2627[21:42:01] <greycat> !pal docker users who are in denial about every single thing
• 2628[21:42:02] * dpkg points at docker users who are in denial about every single thing and laughs hysterically
• 2629[21:42:06] <cek> well, special gitalab CD dir rather
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• 2631[21:42:21] <greycat> so, it's not even Debian, then?
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• 2634[21:43:37] <cek> I wish it weren't debian as the os is crap
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• 2638[21:43:59] <cek> OpenSSH_7.4p1 Debian-10+deb9u7, OpenSSL 1.0.2u 20 Dec 2019
• 2639[21:44:29] <greycat> ,v openssh-client
• 2640[21:44:30] <judd> Package: openssh-client on amd64 -- jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u8; stretch-security: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u6; stretch: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u7; buster-security: 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u1; buster: 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u2; bullseye: 1:8.1p1-5; sid: 1:8.1p1-5
• 2641[21:44:34] <greycat> looks stretchy
• 2642[21:45:10] <cek> -r--------. 1 root root 491 Feb 20 20:44 SSH_KEY
• 2643[21:45:16] <cek> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
• 2644[21:45:37] <greycat> can't help wondering what horrors that . is hiding
• 2645[21:46:13] <greycat> also can't help noticing that you didn't show the permissions of the *directories* involved, but then again, you're fucking obfuscating their names, so ... this is pointless.
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• 2647[21:46:17] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2648[21:46:21] <kreyren> How do i check which packages i am able to install without using apt assuming that apt-cache search does not return a helpful exit code
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• 2651[21:47:11] <kreyren> and that listing apt-cache search content takes too long
• 2652[21:48:05] <kale> kreyren: search online for your distribution
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• 2654[21:48:18] <kreyren> kale, elaborate?
• 2655[21:48:49] <kale> packages.debian.org i think it is, there is also google ...
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• 2657[21:49:31] <tomreyn> apt-cache pkgnames
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• 2659[21:49:40] <kreyren> kale, i need to implement this in a script so i need to check it in the system itself ideally
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• 2661[21:49:48] <greycat> apt-cache needs a subcommand (search, show, policy)
• 2662[21:49:50] <kreyren> tomreyn, that takes around 20 sec to process which is not an option
• 2663[21:50:05] <kreyren> greycat, i was using `apt-cache search .*`
• 2664[21:50:09] <tomreyn> kreyren: "apt-cache pkgnames" takes 20 seconds?
• 2665[21:50:18] <kreyren> tomreyn, well 17 on my system
• 2666[21:50:25] <kreyren> then i 136 it
• 2667[21:50:35] <tomreyn> is this a punch card based system?
• 2668[21:50:50] <kreyren> tomreyn, no >.>
• 2669[21:51:34] <tomreyn> you could put the cache on a ramdisk instead, but it wont get much faster than reading this data from a cache
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• 2672[21:52:05] <tomreyn> whats the hardware, how much ram?
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• 2675[21:52:39] <kreyren> tomreyn, this is contrib for github actions so i guess they have huge pc farm for this, but still that's 20+ sec per system
• 2676[21:52:59] <cek> drwxrwxrwx. 3 root root 4096 Feb 20 20:51 /builds/xx/tcarta-main-frontend.tmp
• 2677[21:53:04] <cek> piece of cunt
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• 2679[21:53:31] <tomreyn> hmm somehow cek slipped my /ignore
• 2680[21:53:48] <cek> why would ssh just silently skip the file then, why not fucking write @ WARNING: UNPROTECTED PRIVATE KEY FILE ! @
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• 2683[21:55:07] <greycat> To formalize the issue for others who may be reading: when you report a problem that involves something of the general shape "file not found" or "when I change the permissions on this file, I get different results", the important details will be the ACTUAL PATHNAMES of the directories and files involved, and possibly their ownerships and permissions.
• 2684[21:55:11] <tomreyn> kreyren: you're not mixing up "apt-cache pkgnames" and "apt-cache search .*", are you?
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• 2687[21:55:25] <greycat> Hiding or obscuring the pathnames makes it completely impossible to solve the issue.
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• 2689[21:55:38] <cek> WELL. You know what, I ve tested under local container -- this is INSANE
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• 2691[21:55:54] <cek> same message, but it actually LOADED the file debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory debug1: identity file /root/cunt/SSH_KEY type -1
• 2692[21:55:58] <cek> and logged in
• 2693[21:56:24] <kreyren> tomreyn, apt-cache neofetch returns E: Invalid operation neofetch
• 2694[21:56:33] <kreyren> i was using apt-cache search .*
• 2695[21:56:35] <cek> debug2: key: /root/cunt/SSH_KEY ((nil)), explicit
• 2696[21:56:59] <cek> I'm gonna kill openssh devs, really
• 2697[21:57:04] <tomreyn> kreyren: i never mentioned "apt-cache neofetch"
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• 2699[21:57:18] <kreyren> tomreyn, used neofetch as pkgname
• 2700[21:57:34] <kreyren> apt-cache returns help msg or what do you mean?
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• 2702[21:57:43] <Akuw> for faster transer using rsync what is the best option?
• 2703[21:58:06] <tomreyn> kreyren: ... look at the man page for apt-cache. "pkgnames" is a command you pass to "apt-cache"
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• 2705[21:58:33] <kreyren> tomreyn, ah O.o does that list all available packages?
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• 2707[21:58:57] <tomreyn> kreyren: man page
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• 2709[21:59:36] <kreyren> This command prints the name of each package APT knows.
• 2710[21:59:37] <cek> I konw what's going on. It's trying to open a tty for reading the passprhase (that never existed for this key) and failing: ` debug1: Trying private key: /builds/xx/tcarta-main-frontend.tmp/SSH_KEY` `debug1: read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty: No such device or address` ` debug2: no passphrase given, try next key`
• 2711[21:59:39] <kreyren> THANKS!
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• 2743[22:19:37] <HelloShitty> Hello peeps
• 2744[22:20:16] <HelloShitty> Is it supposed that GPG keys have comments?
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• 2746[22:20:40] <HelloShitty> I mean, my GPG2 has a comment that I'm not sure it is supposed to be there
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• 2748[22:20:57] <HelloShitty> I generated this key a while ago and hosted it in a publick keyserver
• 2749[22:21:04] <greycat> does it say "help, I'm trapped inside a gpg2 key"?
• 2750[22:21:19] <HelloShitty> And now I donwloaded it to use it and it has a comment
• 2751[22:21:34] <HelloShitty> :s greycat no
• 2752[22:22:01] <HelloShitty> it has a version saying Version: SKS 1.1.6
• 2753[22:22:20] <HelloShitty> and a comment saying Comment: Hostname: carles.tubio.sks-database_1
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• 2755[22:22:42] <HelloShitty> And I'm trying to copy it to a site, and the site complains it's not in the correct format
• 2756[22:23:04] <HelloShitty> most likely it's due to \n's or something else I don't know
• 2757[22:23:28] <HelloShitty> I just did `cat gpg-key.asc`and tried to copy it with mouse
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• 2760[22:24:52] <edlou> any of you use conky? and ever have an issue where it only outputs to console instead of desktop?
• 2761[22:25:17] <edlou> terminal*
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• 2778[22:38:05] <Neville> Not sure on the difference between KDE Plasma between Jessie and Buster. But I am testing a new Buster installation and my KDE desktop does not co-exist with my KDE desktop on Jessie. In other words, my network mainly has Jessie installations; my KDE 5 desktop disappears (aka does not show applications) when I login into another machine with KDE Plasma 4 on Jessie.
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• 2780[22:38:49] <Neville> Not sure what config file to look at
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• 2783[22:39:45] <Neville> The only workaround is to delete ~/.config ~/.kde
• 2784[22:40:05] <greycat> are you sharing your home directory among the various systems?
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• 2810[22:55:33] <rileyd> connecting to my ssh server running openssh 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u2 as specific users causes either "client_loop: send disconnect: broken pipe" or "connection to [...] closed by remote host. connection to [...] closed"
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• 2829[23:09:00] <b1ack0p> what was the command to run mpv on terminal? and also how can i set resolution of youtube video on it?
• 2830[23:09:50] <b1ack0p> when i open mpv directly and drag&drop youtube url to play it mpv disappers or shutdowns
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• 2832[23:10:02] <b1ack0p> i am trying on an old laptop
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• 2835[23:10:08] <greycat> the command to run mpv is mpv
• 2836[23:10:12] <b1ack0p> browser can play video on 144p
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• 2838[23:10:45] <b1ack0p> failed
• 2839[23:10:48] <b1ack0p> on mpv
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• 2841[23:10:51] <greycat> !doesn't work
• 2842[23:10:52] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 2843[23:10:52] <b1ack0p> on terminal
• 2844[23:11:21] <greycat> "I ran mpv _____ and I got the error _____"
• 2845[23:11:45] <b1ack0p> Playing: replaced-url
• 2846[23:11:46] <b1ack0p> [ytdl_hook] ERROR: 7VhS5TsWnUk: YouTube said: This video is unavailable.
• 2847[23:11:46] <b1ack0p> [ytdl_hook] youtube-dl failed: unexpected error ocurred
• 2848[23:11:46] <b1ack0p> Failed to recognize file format.
• 2849[23:11:48] <b1ack0p> ops
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• 2852[23:11:57] <b1ack0p> sorrz
• 2853[23:11:59] <b1ack0p> y
• 2854[23:12:22] <greycat> You don't give mpv a URL. You give mpv a filename. If you want to download a youtube video to a file, so that you can play the file using mpv, you need to use youtube-dl or some other alternatives.
• 2855[23:12:38] <rileyd> that particular video has been blocked in your country
• 2856[23:12:40] <greycat> Be warned that the Debian package of youtube-dl usually does not work. Use upstream's instead.
• 2857[23:12:44] <b1ack0p> i am not trying to downloa
• 2858[23:12:45] <b1ack0p> d
• 2859[23:12:57] <rileyd> greycat: mpv supports URLs
• 2860[23:12:59] <b1ack0p> cant i just play url like VLC Player?
• 2861[23:13:06] <greycat> even youtube ones?
• 2862[23:13:14] <b1ack0p> as i know yes
• 2863[23:13:30] <rileyd> [ytdl_hook] ERROR: The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
• 2864[23:13:30] <rileyd> [ytdl_hook] Sorry about that.
• 2865[23:13:42] <rileyd> it's not an issue with mpv. try a different video or use a VPN
• 2866[23:13:54] <b1ack0p> since browser is using too much resourse i wanted to try mpv
• 2867[23:13:58] <rileyd> hence the "YouTube said" in your error message
• 2868[23:14:24] <b1ack0p> rileyd: it is available for me, maybe for not your country
• 2869[23:14:44] <rileyd> well even for you, youtube told your mpv that the video is unavailable
• 2870[23:15:46] <b1ack0p> i can watch on browser
• 2871[23:15:57] <b1ack0p> i will try vlc
• 2872[23:17:17] <rileyd> any advice on my earlier sshd question?
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• 2884[23:30:37] <b1ack0p> any light weight browser recommendation?
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• 2889[23:34:29] <joepublic> midori. dillo.
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• 2892[23:36:28] <b1ack0p> are they 2 different browsers?
• 2893[23:36:33] <b1ack0p> which one is best?
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• 2895[23:37:09] <joepublic> depends on whether you mean "kind of light but works like I expect" (midori) or "very very light" (dillo)
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• 2897[23:38:02] <b1ack0p> can i watch youtube on them?
• 2898[23:38:05] <b1ack0p> or netflix?
• 2899[23:38:26] <joepublic> I imagine the answers would be yes/no and no/no respectively.
• 2900[23:39:01] <b1ack0p> thats why they are light weight :p
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• 2902[23:39:16] <de-facto> how about Epiphany?
• 2903[23:39:34] <b1ack0p> what about it?
• 2904[23:39:45] <joepublic> probably a yes/no
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• 2906[23:40:04] <b1ack0p> youtube yes, netflix no?
• 2907[23:40:11] <joepublic> right.
• 2908[23:40:14] <b1ack0p> ok
• 2909[23:40:26] <b1ack0p> i wanna try midori
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• 2913[23:44:31] <b1ack0p> how about moon browser?
• 2914[23:45:19] <joepublic> not familiar with that one.
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• 2920[23:45:58] <b1ack0p> dillo is super fast but unfortunately couldnt play youtube
• 2921[23:46:01] <b1ack0p> midori is slow
• 2922[23:46:19] <b1ack0p> couldnt realise any difference than firefox
• 2923[23:46:30] <b1ack0p> it even couldnt open youtube website
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• 2925[23:47:39] <mishehu> greets folks, I'm having some difficulty with reprepro and being able to import packages from a remote repo. It keeps telling me that the component I want is an invalid component though I see it in the file it downloads. replaced-url
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• 2929[23:50:12] <b1ack0p> dillo probably blocking many modern website addons or scripts
• 2930[23:50:22] <b1ack0p> doesnt view websites properly
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• 2933[23:53:17] <de-facto> try Epiphany, might be quite similar to Midori though
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• 2935[23:56:07] <rileyd> turns out that there was a ChrootDirectory path set to a directory not owned by root
• 2936[23:56:36] <rileyd> so how am i supposed to have an sftp user start in a particular directory that they can also create files in, without granting write permission to the group or world?
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