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5[00:03:02] <lenswipe> BinBasher,
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6[00:03:20] <lenswipe> looks good actually
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10[00:03:54] <Geefe> How do I activate 3D acceleration on boot
(grub) ? I get error msg from Gnome "Oh No. Something went
wrong." ...
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16[00:05:11] <lenswipe> BinBasher, /boot is 10GB
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17[00:05:15] <lenswipe> is that reasonable?
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19[00:05:47] <lenswipe> i mean...I have a 250GB SSD in
there...but if theres something generating a shit load of files and
clogging the disk up then i should probably address the problem
rather than throw more disk space at it
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20[00:05:58] <mtn> Geefe: probably a video driver problem. what
video card do you have?
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22[00:06:24] <Geefe> mtn: Intel Celeron N3050 (its a cloudbook)
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26[00:07:03] <mtn> Geefe: does that card support hardware
accelleration?
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28[00:07:30] <Geefe> mtn: yes, i think so...
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29[00:07:57] <mtn> Geefe: in a terminal: lspci -nn | grep -i
vga what does it give you?
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30[00:08:23] <Geefe> mtn: i tried a specific live-cd OS to run
... but it always gives me "Oh No. Something..." also in
VirtualBox on the same machine; until i activated 3D acceleration on
the machine and then it booted
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31[00:08:43] <mtn> Geefe: right, in vbox it does not use your
real video card
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32[00:09:06] <Geefe> mtn: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller
[0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:22b1] (rev 21)
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33[00:09:08] <cafuego> lenswipe: No, a 10 GB /boot is not
reasonable.
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35[00:10:14] <TomTomTosch> lenswipe, mine is taking up 32mb
right now. what files are taking up so much space?
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36[00:10:55] <cafuego> lenswipe: /boot should contain one or
more kernels, one or more associated initrd images and a handful of
grub files.
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38[00:11:33] <mtn> Geefe: that card might need a newer kernel
and intel driver to do 3d, not sure. I see quite a few problem
reports doing a search
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43[00:13:24] <mtn> Geefe: here is a bug report. suggests a
newer kernel.
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47[00:14:43] <Geefe> mtn: i just wanted to try tails os on the
machine ... but it gives me "Oh No. Something went wrong."
after greeter.
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51[00:15:51] <mtn> Geefe: hmm, well this is debian support, not
tail support
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53[00:16:37] <ceso> Hi, is someone here?
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55[00:16:44] <Geefe> mtn: I suspected missing 3d acceleration,
because after reproducing the same error on virtualbox; it solved
after clicking 3d acceleration in virtualbox settings
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57[00:17:06] <mtn> Geefe: yes, I think that is the problem
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58[00:17:18] <somiaj> you could also use a non-gnome desktop if
you dont need 3D acceleration in the vm
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59[00:17:51] <Geefe> mtn: that's right; but i cant get
inside this tails channel and there aint nobody replying on freenode
tails channel
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60[00:17:52] <jmcnaught> Geefe: you could also try Debian and
see if it works properly there, or go to #tails on irc.oftc.net for
Tails support
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64[00:19:09] <Geefe> mtn: is there not some sort of grub boot
option i can set? to enable "fallback" or failsafe
drivers? O.o`
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65[00:19:22] <mtn> Geefe: no, not a grub problem
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67[00:19:48] <mtn> Geefe: and the tails channel is not on
freenode, as was mentioned
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79[00:24:43] <lenswipe> cafuego, TomTomTosch I ran sudo apt-get
autoclean and that freed up about a gig of synaptic packages
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80[00:25:02] <lenswipe> still sitting around 9 gigs though
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84[00:25:24] <TomTomTosch> are you talking about /boot or /
now?
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86[00:25:39] <cafuego> lenswipe: You didn't answer the
question about what is in /boot though
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90[00:28:45] <lenswipe> cafuego, oh - i didn't see it,
sorry
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91[00:28:45] <lenswipe> sec
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92[00:29:26] <lenswipe> config-3.16.0-4-amd64,
initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64, vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64, grub,
System.map-3.16.0-4-amd64
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93[00:29:44] <cafuego> and that's 10G?
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94[00:30:03] <cafuego> It is your rootfs 10G and /boot is not
its own partition?
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96[00:30:58] <lenswipe> sec...lemme
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99[00:31:42] <lenswipe>
replaced-url
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100[00:32:06] <cafuego> paste the output of 'df -h'
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103[00:32:36] <lenswipe> does the location matter?
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105[00:32:54] <cafuego> Offhand I'd say you have a single
10GB / partition and 490GB of unpartioned space
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106[00:33:05] <lenswipe>
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107[00:33:13] <lenswipe> yes i do
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108[00:33:18] <cafuego> 10G for your entire sytem is a bit tight
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109[00:33:27] <lenswipe> its not the entire system
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110[00:33:37] <lenswipe> /home has a RAID1 array all to itself
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111[00:33:58] <cafuego> home is just data; / is the entire
system
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113[00:34:07] <lenswipe> oh so / is set to 10GB?
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115[00:34:20] <cafuego> Yep, and you don't have a separate
/boot
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116[00:34:20] <lenswipe> i thought it was just /boot that was
10GB
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117[00:34:24] <lenswipe> oh...damn
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118[00:34:27] <lenswipe>
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121[00:34:41] <cafuego> 'du -sh /boot'
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122[00:34:55] <lenswipe> ah yeah
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123[00:34:57] <lenswipe> 32MB
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124[00:34:58] <lenswipe> ...derp
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125[00:35:07] <cafuego> herp.
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133[00:36:39] <lenswipe> is there a way to extend that
partition?
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135[00:36:47] <lenswipe> without powering the system down that
is
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137[00:37:02] <cafuego> I don't think so
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142[00:37:33] <lenswipe> so id need to power the system down,
run gparted and expand /
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143[00:37:46] <cafuego> Yep
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144[00:37:49] <lenswipe> aha
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145[00:37:58] <lenswipe> what's a reasonable size to give
it?
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148[00:38:11] <lenswipe> should i just stretch it across the
entire SSD?
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152[00:38:26] <TomTomTosch> depends on how much you want to
install, doesn't it?
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153[00:38:32] <lenswipe> guess so
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154[00:38:45] <lenswipe> :/
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156[00:38:53] <lenswipe> oh well, thanks guys :)
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157[00:38:56] <lenswipe> later
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158[00:39:00] <cafuego> lenswipe: I usually create a 250MB /boot
and lvm everything else, including /, so I can resize as needed)
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160[00:39:30] <TomTomTosch> or use btrfs :3
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163[00:40:29] <jelly-home> cafuego: but you probably don't
let the installer's guided partitioning use 100% of the free
space for /home as it is wont to.
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164[00:40:50] <jmcnaught> there is this page that gives an idea
of space needed, but of course lenswipe is gone:
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165[00:41:56] <TomTomTosch> i'll read it if it makes you
feel better :P
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172[00:42:57] <cafuego> jelly-home: No, home goes on a different
pv on raid :-)
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184[00:47:48] <TomTomTosch> hm, kde always felt bigger than
gnome but apparently it's not.
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198[00:51:39] <ceso> Hi, someone is here? I have a issue with
debian running on a macbook air (exactly, suspend at lid close)
(sorry for the english, isn't my mother tongue)
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200[00:52:21] <ceso> I am trying somethings, but nothing works,
the only thing i can do is hibernate when lid close
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201[00:52:26] <mtn> ceso: lots of people are here. explain your
problem
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202[00:52:36] <grawity> does manual suspend work?
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203[00:52:47] <ceso> but, suspend not works, also if i run echo
mem > /sys/power/state
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205[00:53:10] <ceso> the output is either, the resource is busy
or suspend and resume inmediatly
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212[00:54:29] <well_laid_lawn> using systemd ?
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213[00:54:30] <TomTomTosch> ceso, may i ask which macbook air
that is?
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214[00:54:52] <ceso> yes, early 2015 (MacBookAir7,2)
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217[00:55:09] <ceso> MacBookAir7,2 is the output of dmidecode -s
system-product-name
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223[00:57:59] <ceso> not work either acpi or systemd, with
systemd only works hibernate
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233[01:01:26] <ceso> TomTomTosch: If i run dmesg, there is some
errores about suspend
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237[01:02:02] <ceso> [ 634.259465] PM: Device 0000:00:14.0
failed to suspend async: error -16
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241[01:02:46] <jelly-home> ceso: try the stupid thing and
upgrade the kernel to whatever's available in jessie-backports
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242[01:03:05] <jelly-home> !bpo kernel
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243[01:03:06] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases
are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask
me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then
run «aptitude update». To install the current backported
kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install
linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To
list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude
search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian
Backports))'».
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244[01:03:26] <jelly-home> !jessie backports
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245[01:03:26] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9
"Stretch" release but recompiled for use with
"Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the
"jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports
are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A
suitable line for your sources.list is «deb
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248[01:03:56] <ceso> jelly-home: mmm, maybe a bug? the mac is
running sid
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252[01:04:54] <jelly-home> ceso: sid always has bugs,
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254[01:05:06] <ceso> yes, i know
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255[01:05:10] <jelly-home> !debian-next
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256[01:05:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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265[01:06:27] <ceso> but, even is stable
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266[01:06:29] <ceso> against other distros
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271[01:07:21] <ceso> debian sid + i3
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279[01:08:50] <darkling> I'm trying to set up a service.
This service has what looks like a perfectly good ordinary
initscript. However, when I try to start it with that initscript,
all I get is "[....] Starting fuseki (via systemctl):
fuseki.serviceFailed to start fuseki.service: Unit fuseki.service
failed to load: No such file or directory."
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281[01:09:22] <TomTomTosch> hmm, the wiki doesn't even have
a profile for the macbook air 7. but i guess status for
sleep/suspend gets a sad face x)
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282[01:09:23] <darkling> How do I get this thing simply to run
the initscript properly?
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289[01:11:50] <ceso> TomTomTosch: the last mba in the wiki, is
2014, and there suspend and hibernate is ok
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290[01:12:32] <ceso> but, wifi has a x) face, however in mba
2015 works without issues
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292[01:12:54] <ceso> please, if i wrote something strange, tall
me
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293[01:13:06] <ceso> im still learning english
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294[01:13:07] <ceso> :P
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296[01:13:30] <TomTomTosch> we all are.
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297[01:13:39] <dvs> I ain't
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309[01:21:18] <ceso> suspend works out of the box even in lenny
(kernel 2.6.26), haha I upgrade some package, because an acpi
package was in the list, im going to reboot and test again
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318[01:26:43] <phorce1_home> themill: wins half a cookie. I had
indeed accidentally used the wrong install image (i386) while trying
to take my machine from wheezy-i386 to jessie-amd64. But, 2
reinstalls later it is still too many steps for using the dselect
--set-selections method. I'd probably have to go wheezyi386
--> wheezy-amd64 then upgrade wheezy-->jessie. So, clean
install and a slow, MANUAL, reinstall of packeges turns o
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319[01:26:49] <phorce1_home> ut to be the way to go.
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324[01:29:48] * phorce1_home will probably have to reinstall again
because he stupidly copied /usr/local over from the old install ---
with all of the i386 stuff that no longer works
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327[01:30:57] <themill> !win me
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328[01:30:57] <dpkg> Congratulations, themill! You have won a
lifetime supply of spam!
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332[01:31:35] <themill> phorce1_home: you can filter the
selections output to remove the i386-specific packages. You can
probably filter all lib* packages too
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346[01:36:12] <phorce1_home> themill: I just got my nvidia dual
screen back where I want it though. LOL! (Plus I discovered the
reason I had this motherboard in the "backup" pile. No
sound. I wondered why there was a Soundblaster lying in the same
box. I really need to label used stuff better.
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348[01:36:17] <phorce1_home> )
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349[01:36:51] <simonlnu> lenny?
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355[01:39:29] <phorce1_home> TomTomTosch:
y'all'd've learned English quicker if it weren't
such an ... interesting ... language.
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453[02:23:04] <N3X15_> Okay, continuation of last night: SATA
hard drives, motherboard, and RAID card moved to new server chassis.
OS and files are all present and /boot part has boot flag and grub2
installed, yet despite the OS recognizing the disk and it being in
the boot list, it fails to find the OS.
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456[02:24:15] <N3X15> I also did a fresh reinstall of grub2
using the liveCD about an hour ago, still no dice
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457[02:24:55] <N3X15> This is an older motherboard, so EFI/UEFI
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491[02:39:47] <zacwalls> Hey I am trying to install debian 8
jessie from a USB device. I am using the netinstall iso. And when I
get to the config for internet hardware, I get an error saying the
installer cant find some firmware package. I wrote down the name. It
was, iwlwifi-3160-9 and iwlwifi-3160-8
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492[02:39:58] <zacwalls> What can I do to fix this?
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495[02:40:38] <markybob> zacwalls: use the firmare iso that has
it included.
cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/
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499[02:41:53] <zacwalls> markybob, Thanks. I'll give it a
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538[02:57:13] <fuan> starting debian in Virtualbox, during boot
i get this message: A start job is running for LSB ; raise network
interface
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539[02:57:19] <fuan> and it hangs for a while
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540[02:57:46] <fuan> after boot finished, i run ifconfig and got
no connection. I do "ifdown eth0" and "ifup
eth0" and the connection is up
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541[02:58:30] <somiaj> fuan: static ip or dhcp?
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542[02:58:56] <fuan> dhcp
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543[02:59:11] <fuan> the first boot after installation.
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544[02:59:23] <fuan> well: the first few boots ...
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551[03:01:52] <awal1> fuan, no network manager/wicd installed
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554[03:02:48] <fuan> nope
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557[03:03:09] <awal1> I get that message if I connect manually
via interfaces
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558[03:03:57] <awal1> installing wicd, networkmanager... should
solve that
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560[03:04:15] <fuan> uh, well, i don't need a network
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561[03:04:29] <fuan> this should work.
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562[03:05:25] <somiaj> fuan: are you using a virtual network or
a bridge. It could be that the dhcp server is not correctly
responding during the bootup phase and dhclient just times out. You
can swithc to dhcpcd for something that will keep trying or try to
track down why the dhcp response isn't getting back in time
during the boot
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566[03:06:04] <fuan> i use the "bridged" interface
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568[03:06:18] <awal1> fuan, oh, excuses. I have missed your
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570[03:06:55] <fuan> somiaj: to use dhcpd i replace dhcp with
dhcpd in the file interaces?
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572[03:07:18] <somiaj> fuan: no you install the package dhcpcd
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573[03:07:26] <somiaj> fuan: it is an alternative dhcp client
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574[03:07:28] <fuan> ah. ok
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576[03:07:47] <fuan> so it is rather a problem of Virtualbox?
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577[03:07:51] <somiaj> but it runs as a daemon so it will keep
trying in the background as opposed to dhclient will time out
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581[03:08:16] <somiaj> something with the network being ready
when dhclient requests an ip
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582[03:08:21] <somiaj> a static ip may be worth it too
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583[03:08:54] <fuan> Yeah, i could try that.
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584[03:09:01] <fuan> s/try/do
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587[03:09:44] <kingkong> hi. i received email on root like this.
what should i do ? W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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591[03:10:35] <dvs> ask Christian?
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597[03:12:53] <somiaj> kingkong: we don't support
deb-multimedia here so you will have to see why their wheezy sources
no longer work.
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599[03:13:06] <somiaj> some here even suggest not using
deb-multimedia sources
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601[03:14:21] <kingkong> their wheezy source not works anymore?
all users getting same error or only me?
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603[03:14:41] <somiaj> kingkong: ask them, we don't support
deb-multimedia here
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604[03:15:22] <kingkong> do you know whats their irc channel if
exists?
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606[03:15:35] <somiaj> !deb-multimedia
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607[03:15:35] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
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609[03:15:56] <somiaj> kingkong: I'd start at their webpage
for info
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615[03:19:41] <cmdbbq> I can't figure out how to make
permanent the change enacted by "synclient TapButton1=1"
in Debian 8
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618[03:20:57] <kingkong> thanks
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619[03:21:27] <kingkong> and another email comes on root
everyday as like this
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623[03:21:49] <kingkong> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
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624[03:21:49] <kingkong> initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart:
Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart:
Connection refused
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625[03:22:00] <somiaj> kingkong: you must have
unattened-upgrades installed. You can go remove the
deb-multimedia.org sources to fix it.
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627[03:22:12] <kingkong> im on debian wheezy. why i get this
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628[03:22:17] <somiaj> kingkong: oh that? Are you running debian
why do you have ubuntu/upstart
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629[03:22:31] <somiaj> well if you are mixing repos, have you
added any repos for ubuntu, if so you may be building a frakendebian
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630[03:22:56] <kingkong> i dont know. last month it started to
email me this. before i hadnt such email on root
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631[03:23:52] * dvs calls franken
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632[03:24:16] <somiaj> well Im' unsure what sort of stuff
you have installed on your machine. But it is hard for us to support
installs once one starts mixing repos.
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633[03:24:35] <somiaj> look at 'apt-cache policy' if
you have ubuntu, or other strange tird-party soruces there you could
have a mess
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641[03:27:49] <kingkong> somiaj:
replaced-url
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647[03:29:16] <kingkong> i dont see ubuntu in it
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652[03:30:40] <dvs> kingkong, but there's several duplicate
sources.
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653[03:30:48] <kingkong> and i received same error on
dist-upgrade
replaced-url
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658[03:32:51] <kingkong> thats my sources list
replaced-url
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661[03:33:38] <dvs> yup, frankendebian
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662[03:33:42] <kingkong> which one is dublicate?
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665[03:34:09] <dvs> 1 and 2 are "the same"
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666[03:34:36] <dvs> and 8 makes it a frankendebian
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669[03:35:05] <kingkong> i created my sources list by help of
this channel. maybe 2 years ago :)
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670[03:35:11] <jmcnaught> line 8 is a deb-src, it's fine
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671[03:35:15] <dvs> oh wait, my bad, it's a deb-src
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674[03:35:48] <jmcnaught> using all those third party repos
though, that can break upgrades on a system
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675[03:35:56] <kingkong> if i removed 1st line the problem will
be solved?
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677[03:36:20] <dvs> kingkong, the release notes says to disable
3rd party repos on upgrades.
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679[03:36:40] <jmcnaught> kingkong: the original problem you
have is with deb-multimedia, so remove that at least.
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682[03:37:09] <jmcnaught> kingkong: also i noticed you have
pinned sysinit in your apt-cache policy output
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684[03:37:11] <kingkong> which lines are 3rd party repos?
multimedia line?
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685[03:37:44] <jmcnaught> kingkong: lines 5, 6, 7, are not
Debian repos
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686[03:37:45] <kingkong> i dont even remember why i added it.
maybe it was for radio server
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690[03:38:24] <jmcnaught> you *can* use third party repos in
Debian, it's just that they have the potential to break your
system. sometimes the break happens later during an upgrade, not
right away.
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697[03:39:32] <jmcnaught> so it's always better to try and
do what you need with the 40000+ packages that Debian provides
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699[03:39:48] <dvs> not enough!
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702[03:40:36] <kingkong> how can i know which source list line
effects which things on my system ?
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704[03:41:40] <kingkong> to remove deb-multimedia will cause any
error or problem on my webserver, mail or radio server?
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708[03:43:10] <kingkong> jmcnaught: whats sysinit doing exactly
? its not related to debian ?
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712[03:43:44] <kingkong> i hadnt such emails before a month ago
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713[03:44:29] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i meant lines 264-265 in
replaced-url
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716[03:46:21] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i don't know of a whay
to ask apt to show all of the packages that come from a specific
repo. some commands that might help are "apt-cache policy
$package". Also if you remove a repo, you can search for
obsolete packages (that cannot be downloaded anymore) with
"aptitude search ~o"
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717[03:46:23] <kingkong> no i dont remember it. i installed pip,
clamav, spamassassin on last month. maybe they did it?
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719[03:46:46] <jmcnaught> kingkong: do you mean the emails you
get about deb-multimedia?
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733[03:49:50] <kingkong> yes. i meant generally. i hadnt any
error or warning email on root mail before a month ago. it started
to send me daily on each cron
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736[03:50:37] <kingkong> i installed pip, amavis, clamav,
spamassasin a month ago
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737[03:50:42] <awal1> Usually I check apt changelogs/news
durring upgrades but sometimes i have no time. How to make apt skip
showing changelogs/news temporally without editing apt files? An apt
argument/option , I mean; I dont find it in man
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740[03:51:31] <kingkong> my system is frankendebian now?
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741[03:51:33] <jmcnaught> kingkong: the email you quotes about
40 minutes ago was saying that it could not resolve
deb-multimedia.org, did you get pip, clamav etc from there?
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742[03:51:54] <jmcnaught> kingkong: make a paste of any emails
you're having trouble understanding i guess
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744[03:54:36] <kingkong> i dont think so. where can i learn it
to be sure how i got them? i was following a step by step guide.
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745[03:54:42] <kingkong> Cron test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd
/ && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )
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746[03:54:50] <kingkong> its email title
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749[03:56:08] <kingkong> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to
socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused initctl: Unable
to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket
/com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
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752[03:56:54] <kingkong> i dont use ubuntu. but it gives error
so. :)
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755[03:57:06] <jmcnaught> kingkong: check
/etc/cron.daily/logrotate to see what it's doing. i don't
know why it would be trying to talk to upstart.. maybe you tried
using upstart at one point, and when you switched back to sysvinit
you also pinned it?
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756[03:57:12] <somiaj> kingkong: dpkg -l | grep upstart (do you
have upstart installed)?
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757[03:57:22] <somiaj> note upstart is in debian, but is ubuntus
creation
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760[03:59:21] <kingkong> if i did it, i didnt do it on purpose.
so i dont know if i did or not.
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766[04:00:24] <kingkong> ii upstart 1.6.1-1 amd64 event-based
init daemon
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769[04:01:37] <awal1> kingkong, the output of "ps --pid 1
-f" ?
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776[04:03:05] <kingkong> its crondaily file content
replaced-url
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777[04:03:57] <kingkong> root 1 0 0 2015 ? 00:00:02 init
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779[04:04:20] <Mikaze> Hello. How do you find the program name
to run when you install a package like gnupg-agent, and you run `man
gnupg-agent` thinking something will be there, but nothing is?
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780[04:04:28] <kingkong> its ps --pid 1 -f output ^
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781[04:04:49] <jmcnaught> kingkong: that looks pretty normal.
maybe you have a file like /etc/logrotate.d/upstart ?
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782[04:05:23] <jmcnaught> Mikaze: "dpkg -L gnupg-agent |
grep bin"
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786[04:06:22] <awal1> seems that something is missing in your
init, kingkong, output of "stat /sbin/init" ?
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787[04:06:40] <Mikaze> jmcnaught: Didn't think dpkg -l gave
that much info.
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789[04:06:55] * Mikaze tries it...
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790[04:06:56] <jmcnaught> Mikaze: -L not -l
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796[04:07:35] <Mikaze> jmcnaught: Sorry. Blind and can't
hear caps. <laughs> Oops.
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798[04:07:51] <Mikaze> Thanks.
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806[04:11:54] <kingkong> jmcnaught: yes i have that upstart file
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808[04:12:08] <kingkong>
replaced-url
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810[04:13:09] <kingkong> its output of ls for daily cron dir and
logrotate. and stat /sbin/init
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814[04:14:33] <jmcnaught> kingkong: so /sbin/init is not a
symlink, so you can see which package provides this file with
"dpkg -S /sbin/init"
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815[04:16:06] <jmcnaught> kingkong: then i guess you need to
figure out why/how upstart got installed. you could run
"apt-get --simulate remove upstart" to see a simulation of
what would happen if it gets removed (which other packages get
removed)
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817[04:16:53] <kingkong> thats /etc/logrotate.d/upstart
containing
replaced-url
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820[04:19:15] <kingkong> dpkg -S /sbin/init
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821[04:19:16] <kingkong> upstart: /sbin/init
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822[04:19:16] <dpkg> You Fool! /sbin/init is installed!
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823[04:19:28] <kingkong> its output
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824[04:19:32] <kingkong> :)
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825[04:19:53] <jmcnaught> kingkong: so you're using upstart
instead of the default (for wheezy) sysvinit
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835[04:23:21] <kingkong> yes
replaced-url
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836[04:23:38] <kingkong> libclamav6
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838[04:24:31] <jmcnaught> kingkong: hmm.. i bet libclamav6 is
listed because some other package that depended on it is no longer
installed
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843[04:25:21] <kingkong> how can i find it
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844[04:25:51] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i would be careful about
removing upstart without knowing how to make sure that sysvinit
replaces it. i'm willing to bet that sysvinit being pinned on
your system is related to upstart, perhaps you followed some
instructions without fully understanding them, and now don't
remember?
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846[04:26:04] <jmcnaught> !pastebinit
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847[04:26:04] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send
data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
users, you must "pastebinit -b
replaced-url
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848[04:26:11] <kingkong> so, clamav installed upstart on my
system ?
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849[04:26:20] <jmcnaught> kingkong: ^ this is easier for
everyone than screenshots
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850[04:26:41] <kingkong> kk
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852[04:28:08] <jmcnaught> kingkong: no, i think something else
installed libclamav6, and it's no longer installed so
libclamav6 isn't needed anymore. probably the newer clamav that
came through wheezy-updates
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855[04:28:32] <jmcnaught> kingkong: upstart and clamav are
probably not related
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857[04:28:48] <kingkong> i was following that guide
replaced-url
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862[04:30:02] <opdop> hi
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863[04:30:10] <Yukiteru> hii
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865[04:30:43] <opdop> does someone know why
libapache2-mod-spamhaus is not available in Debian Jessie or
testing?
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866[04:30:48] <Yukiteru> i have a problem with usb mount, in gui
mode using thunar i can't copy files or folders from other
ubication
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867[04:31:00] <jmcnaught> kingkong: you could try something like
"zgrep upstart /var/log/apt" to try and find which log
file mentions installing upstart, and use zless to read the file and
check the date it was installed for some clues
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869[04:31:11] <Yukiteru> but i can create files or folder
directly over usb
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872[04:31:38] <opdop> Yukiteru: try as root
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873[04:31:40] <Yukiteru> sound crazy yeahh, but it's true
and the issues repeat over jessie and stretch
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874[04:32:07] <Yukiteru> opdop, thanks but copy files EVER using
root isn't a solution
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875[04:32:29] <jmcnaught> opdop: usually because there are
unfixed bugs in the package. You could look at
replaced-url
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878[04:34:44] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i'm not sure how to
replace upstart with sysvinit, if that's what you want to do.
it might be as simple as removing the upstart package if sysvinit is
also installed, but you need to make sure that /sbin/init still
exists before you reboot. Not knowing why you installed upstart in
the first place isn't very helpful. I didn't read the
ispmail guide you linked to, but you gotta be careful following
tutorials
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880[04:34:52] <opdop> jmcnaught: do you mean just bugs in the
.deb pkg, not in mod-spamhaus itself, right?
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881[04:34:59] <awal1> I would like try 'qingy' but a
systemd unit is missing (qingy.service). Anyone has been able to run
'qingy' instead of 'getty' successfully with
systemd?
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882[04:35:19] <kingkong> jmcnaught: i did zgrep upstart
/var/log/apt but there's no any output.
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883[04:35:38] <jmcnaught> kingkong: tutorials are good for
getting an overview of stuff that's involved, but it's
still important to be familiar with each piece of software
you're using
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884[04:35:55] <jmcnaught> kingkong: maybe you installed upstart
so long ago that the logs are gone now
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886[04:36:36] <jmcnaught> opdop: i didn't check the bugs,
but i noticed there was one RC bug (box in top-right). RC bugs can
get stuff blocked/removed from testing
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887[04:36:41] <awal1> ubuntu follows debian, so upstart will
became obsolete soon...
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892[04:37:07] <opdop> jmcnaught: but what about the stable
Jessie?
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894[04:37:41] <jmcnaught> opdop: check the bug?
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897[04:37:48] <opdop> it's a little crazy don't have
it available and be stuck with Debian 7 and Apache 2.2.x
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899[04:38:06] <opdop> well, unless you compile everything...
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901[04:38:13] <jmcnaught> opdop: testing at some point gets
frozen, becomes stable. if something is blocked/removed from testing
because of unfixed bugs it doesn't make it into stable
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904[04:39:26] <jmcnaught> opdop: is that module compatible with
apache 2.4? if it is you might be able to backport it
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905[04:39:48] <jmcnaught> judd: checkbackport
libapache2-mod-spamhaus
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906[04:39:50] <judd> Backporting package libapache2-mod-spamhaus
in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, virtual.
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908[04:40:16] <kingkong> jmcnaught: if i reinstall clamav it
will remove libclamav6 ?
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909[04:40:18] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell opdop about ssb
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912[04:41:10] <awal1> every time I run "find . | grep
something (no matters what)" I get in the output "find:
«./.config/gsmartcontrol»: access denied". Any
clue?
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914[04:41:45] <jmcnaught> kingkong: if you run "apt-get
autoremove" it will remove libclamav6. That message means it
got installed as a dependency by some other package. That some other
package is no longer installed, so libclamav6 isn't needed
anymore.
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916[04:42:09] <opdop> If I have to play around with backports,
src, etc, I prefer to compile it then...
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917[04:42:23] <opdop> It's like less operations to do
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920[04:42:53] <opdop> btw thanks to link me that bug page
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922[04:43:43] <jmcnaught> opdop: it's your call. ssb is a
pretty easy process to follow and you get an easily removable .deb
file out of the deal. You can compile it on another jessie system or
a chroot, then copy the .deb to install
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923[04:44:01] <jmcnaught> opdop: it could be that the module
simply is too old to work with apache 2.4
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926[04:44:52] <opdop> jmcnaught: do you have some alternative
module to suggest (for the same purpose)?
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927[04:45:55] <kingkong> jmcnaught: so "apt-get autoremove
clamav" will remove libclamav6 and my all clamav conf too ?
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928[04:46:34] <jmcnaught> opdop: i don't, but sometimes
i'll check packages.debian.org for the "similar
packages" on the right side-bar
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931[04:47:28] <jmcnaught> kingkong:
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933[04:48:12] <opdop> I took a look right now at Ubuntu...apache
2.4.x and mod-spamhaus 0.7.x available
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934[04:48:43] <pugfantus> kingkong: it won't get rid of
your configs unless you purge as well
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935[04:48:46] <opdop> so it seems the module is not too old to
work with apache 2.4.x
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937[04:49:09] <jmcnaught> opdop: well i didn't read the bug
that was mentioned on the package tracker, but it probably has some
reasons. it could simply be that the Debian maintainer for that
package simply hasn't been working on it
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938[04:49:58] <jmcnaught> kingkong: why are you trying to remove
clamav by the way?
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939[04:50:02] <kingkong> i dont understand. shouldnt i give name
what to remove. i will autoremove upstart? or clamav ? btw i will
install clamav back if i uninstall it.
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940[04:50:23] <jmcnaught> kingkong: read the apt-get man page
section on autoremove
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942[04:53:04] <pugfantus> kingkong: autoremove is a catch all,
anything it deems not needed any more by other packages, will be
removed, and it will only remove what it says it'll remove
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944[04:53:40] <pugfantus> opdop: I read it, they dropped it on
the floor
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945[04:54:29] <opdop> pugfantus: ouch, help it to get up :D
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948[04:55:20] <kingkong> ok. if it doesnt remove my config, i
can auto remove clam av to get rid of unused things as libclamav6
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949[04:56:05] <pugfantus> kingkong: from the screen shot posted
above, it will only uninstall libclamav6, not clamav
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950[04:56:17] <jmcnaught> kingkong: you don't need to
remove clamav. Try "apt-get --simulate autoremove" to see
what would happen
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951[04:56:27] <pugfantus> that too =)
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952[04:56:30] <jmcnaught> ^ you do't need to be root to run
apt-get --simulate by the way
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959[04:59:11] <cwood> Good evening. Is there already a library
or application in Debian which already calculates solar time for a
location? My google-fu is failing me.
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960[04:59:46] <kingkong> yes it shows only libclamav6
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963[05:01:55] <jmcnaught> cwood: i did 'apt-cache search
"solar time"' and it listed "sunclock - fancy
clock showing time and geographical data", not sure if
it's what you want
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966[05:03:01] <kingkong> ok i did autoremove and libclamav6
gone.
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969[05:04:26] <kingkong> i dont need upstart anymore ? can i
remove it safely ?
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970[05:04:44] <cwood> I'm not sure, it shows a picture so
far. I will have to see if I can get it to give me text. So far I
can get a map showing daylight.
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972[05:05:41] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i don't know how safe
it is. after removing it you'll definitely want to make sure
sysvinit is installed, /sbin/init exists at a minimum. Without an
init your system cannot boot
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974[05:06:30] <kingkong> i dont have sysvinit installed right
now already ?
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975[05:06:35] <jmcnaught> kingkong: definitely worth doing a
little research on. the upstart and sysvinit directories in
/usr/share/doc would be one place to check
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976[05:06:56] <jmcnaught> kingkong: you can check if it is
installed
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982[05:08:23] <kingkong> apt-get check sysvinit ?
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983[05:08:26] <pugfantus> cwood: hmmm...
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985[05:08:51] <jmcnaught> kingkong: does anyone else admin this
system with you? If you don't remember how/why upstart got
installed and sysvinit got pinned, i strongly recommend you start
making notes when you change things on the server, or use an issue
tracking system or wiki
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988[05:09:00] <cwood> That looks promising.
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989[05:09:13] <pugfantus> Yeah, looks like CRAN is like CPAN for
R
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991[05:09:27] <jmcnaught> kingkong: "apt-cache policy
sysvinit" or "dpkg -l | grep sysvinit"
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993[05:10:53] <cwood> Okay, I'm going to read up on this.
Thank you for the pointer!
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995[05:11:30] <pugfantus> np
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999[05:12:41] <kingkong> jmcnaught: nobody else than me. i didnt
install upstart myself. can you give me a guide for making issue
tracking system and wiki please. it will not my all changes ?
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1006[05:15:05] <jmcnaught> kingkong: there are a lot of options
and it will depend on what you prefer. for issue tracking i use
redmine. my favourite wiki is moinmoin. neither will automatically
track changes you make, they're systems you can use to document
your infrastructure and/or keep track of things
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1010[05:15:32] <buu> Ok
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1011[05:15:45] <jmcnaught> kingkong: one thing that does sort of
keep track automatically is etckeeper which keeps /etc in a git or
hg repo, but only keeps track of /etc
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1013[05:16:03] <buu> Why would dd if=/dev/ssd1 of=/dev/ssd2; go
at only 22MB/s ?!
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1017[05:18:49] <kingkong> i will try redmine and moinmoin then
later.
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1018[05:18:58] <jmcnaught> buu: Big SSD wants you to buy a second
ssd. Ever since their lobby gained power in Congress the SSD
manufacturers have been acting with impunity.
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1020[05:19:56] <jmcnaught> kingkong: those are just two examples
there are plenty others, lots of them in Debian. If it's just
use, a notebook or directory of text files would be better than
nothing
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1021[05:20:37] <jmcnaught> buu: maybe it's because it's
reading and writing to the same device simulteaneously?
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1023[05:23:10] <buu> jmcnaught: Two different ssds
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1024[05:23:17] <buu> actually once is a nvme
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1025[05:23:26] <buu> does linux just not utilize nvme?
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1026[05:23:27] <kingkong>
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1028[05:23:50] <kingkong> i do not have sysvinit ?
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1031[05:24:45] <buu> hope not
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1036[05:27:24] <jmcnaught> kingkong: it seems you do not, but you
have it pinned which is why you cannot install it. check in
/etc/apt/preferences and preferences.d and remove the pin
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1038[05:28:52] <okee> Can someone remind me how to change the
real time in xfce? I am now on daylight savings time, and my
computer doesn't automatically update. I am running Debian
Wheezy.
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1045[05:30:49] <jmcnaught> okee: what do you have in
/etc/timezone? is it correct?
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1046[05:31:03] <buu> okee: ntpdate and friends usually manages it
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1048[05:32:31] <okee> jmcnaught> Los Angeles
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1049[05:32:42] <jmcnaught> okee: if your timezone is set
correctly your system should handle DST automatically
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1054[05:33:15] <okee> jmcnaught> Apparently it isn't set
correctly, since it isn't updating automatically. What should I
do? Also, It has been awhile, so please refresh me about ntpdate.
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1055[05:33:40] <theamdman_> hwclock --set
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1056[05:33:42] <theamdman_> ?
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1057[05:33:43] <jmcnaught> okee: "dpkg-reconfigure
tzdata"
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1060[05:35:46] <kingkong> jmcnaught: i dont have
/etc/apt/preferences but i have /etc/apt/preferences.d/parallels
including this in file
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1061[05:35:50] <okee> jmcnaught> Is that command correct? Is
there a space between dpkg and -reconfigure?
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1063[05:36:04] <svetlana> No space.
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1064[05:36:05] <okee> jmcnaught> I am getting a conflict
error.
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1065[05:36:10] <svetlana> Pastebin.
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1066[05:36:19] <jmcnaught> okee: make a paste of it on
replaced-url
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1067[05:36:51] <jmcnaught> kingkong: what is parallels? did you
install virtuozzo or something?
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1068[05:37:23] <kingkong> i dont know. :)
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1069[05:37:25] <jmcnaught> kingkong: from the evidence it seems
that someone was pretty serious about having upstart on this system
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1072[05:37:58] <jmcnaught> kingkong: exhibit 1) upstart is
installed. exhibit 2) sysvinit is pinned -1 (never install)
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1074[05:39:04] <kingkong> hi svetlana :)
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1075[05:39:27] <svetlana> Hi kingkong :)
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1077[05:39:31] <okee> jmcnaught>
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1078[05:39:35] <kingkong> jmcnaught: its done by me? or its
someone else?
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1080[05:39:46] <jmcnaught> kingkong: so.. there was probably a
reason. we don't know what the reason is.
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1081[05:40:06] <jmcnaught> kingkong: it was somebody with root
access to the server. maybe a script you ran?
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1082[05:40:34] <jmcnaught> okee: run it as root
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1083[05:40:53] <kingkong> probably i did it while doing
somethings with tutorials
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1084[05:41:16] <kingkong> but indirectly
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1085[05:42:19] <jmcnaught> kingkong: see maybe you have some
daemon that is configured to be supervised in some special way by
upstart, if you remove upstart then maybe that stops working.
"parallels" makes me thing virtuozzo, but i don't
know what you did
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1086[05:42:22] <okee> jmcnaught> It ran as root, but
didn't update Los Angeles. Interestingly Universal Time is
showing correction as an option, but Los Angeles is not updating.
How do I manually override this? And why is LA behind?
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1087[05:42:50] <jmcnaught> okee: can you show the output in a
paste, i don't follow your summary.
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1089[05:43:05] <kingkong> jmcnaught: we can remove pin and
install sysvinit, remove upstart and see which things will send me
errors?
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1090[05:43:12] <jmcnaught> okee: is UTC incorrect? does this
computer dual-boot with Windows?
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1091[05:43:28] <kingkong> or we cant have boths? sysvinit and
upstart together?
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1092[05:43:33] <jmcnaught> kingkong: it's your server. are
you taking notes? ;)
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1095[05:43:54] <okee> jmcnaught> It does dual boot with
windows.
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1098[05:44:00] <jmcnaught> kingkong: you can only have one
/sbin/init, but maybe upstart and sysvinit can coexist
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1100[05:44:11] <jmcnaught> !windows utc
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1101[05:44:11] <dpkg> Setting the BIOS clock to <UTC> is a
little more difficult if you dual-boot with legacy operating systems
that think that local time is a good choice. Windows can be
instructed to handle a BIOS clock in UTC too:
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1104[05:44:37] <jmcnaught> okee: ^^ (with linux the BIOS/hardware
clock should be set to UTC)
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1107[05:45:42] <okee> jmcnaught> How do i change the clock to
UTC?
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1110[05:48:29] <kingkong> jmcnaught: i dont take notes. i didnt
use virtuozzo. maybe my vps provider using it
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1111[05:49:41] <jmcnaught> okee: with hwclock i guess,
you'll have to read the man page. Also that superuser.com link
^^ for the changes you need to make in Windows
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1112[05:50:20] <okee> jmcnaught> Hmm. Can't do it in
ntp.conf ??
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1113[05:50:55] <jmcnaught> kingkong: if you don't take notes
how are you going to remember what you did during this session? If
you're using some "debian" template provided by your
ISP and they put that file there, you should open a ticket with them
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1116[05:52:33] <lichenx1> Does anyone know the correct way to
solve this error?
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1117[05:52:41] <lichenx1> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or
visuals foundlibGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
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1118[05:52:55] <lichenx1> I'm on x64 using nvidia drivers
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1119[05:53:27] <jmcnaught> okee: actually i just install ntp and
forget about it
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1120[05:53:57] <kingkong> jmcnaught: yes its vps and debian
templete provided by my vps provider. i will ask my vps provider to
find it then
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1121[05:54:11] <okee> jmcnaught> ntp is already installed, and
not picking up the changes for daylight savings time.
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1122[05:54:45] <kingkong> but i hadnt that error mails on root
till last month
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1123[05:54:48] <somiaj> lichenx1: how did you install the nvidia
drivers and what program is giving you that error?
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1124[05:55:13] <lichenx1> installed via synaptic not by .run
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1125[05:55:22] <lichenx1> secondlife game
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1126[05:56:33] <somiaj> lichenx1: could it be you need the 32bit
libs installed for this game?
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1127[05:56:53] <okee>
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1128[05:57:10] <lichenx1> yes but I've tried everything that
i've found
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1129[05:57:16] <lichenx1> nothing seems to be working
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1130[05:57:41] <lichenx1> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
ia32-libs-gtk ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl
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1131[05:57:51] <lichenx1> says run this but doesn't work in
jessie
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1134[05:58:48] <kingkong> jmcnaught: my system frankendebian now?
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1135[05:58:57] <somiaj> !multiarch
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1136[05:58:58] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign
architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be
installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386
&& apt-get update». See
replaced-url
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1138[05:59:19] <somiaj> lichenx1: that is out dated info, in
debian use multiarch, follow the instructionst he bot sent, then
install the libfoo:i386 for the libaries you need
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1139[05:59:54] <somiaj> lichenx1: again I'm unsure if this
is the issue or not, just checking if it is a 32bit game or not
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1140[05:59:59] <jmcnaught> okee: does it say LOCAL or UTC in
/etc/adjtime ?
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1141[06:00:37] <okee> jmcnaught> it says LOCAL
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1144[06:01:23] <jmcnaught> kingkong: if your ISP put that file
there, it might have started out kinda broken. don't try to
upgrade this VPS to jessie without checking with the ISP if it is
possible
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1147[06:03:39] <lichenx1> somiaj, thanks I'll keep trying
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1149[06:04:42] <jmcnaught> okee: to set your hardware clock to
UTC you'd need to change LOCAL to UTC, then probably do
something like "hwclock --systohc --utc" (but you should
definitely read the hwclock man page about those options)
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1150[06:05:13] <jmcnaught> okee: you'll also need to
configure Windows to use UTC, do "/msg dpkg windows utc"
if you need the link again
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1153[06:05:31] <kingkong> i was thinking to upgrade to jessie
from wheezy. :)
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1154[06:05:35] <okee> jmcnaught> I never use windows anymore.
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1156[06:06:01] <jmcnaught> kingkong: on a VPS like that ask the
ISP if it is supported first
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1157[06:06:55] <jmcnaught> kingkong: if they say no, prepare for
the migration
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1158[06:06:55] <kingkong> vps debian wheezy templetes can not be
upgraded?
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1161[06:07:14] <jmcnaught> kingkong: not if they're broken
by the ISP with junk like pinning sysvinit to -1
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1163[06:07:34] <jmcnaught> *maybe not
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1166[06:08:58] <jmcnaught> sometimes an openvz/virtuozzo VPS will
be using a kernel too old for newer glibc too
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1169[06:10:06] <kingkong> i have openvz which i rarely use. maybe
2-3 times used in last 2-3 years. :)
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1170[06:10:26] <kingkong> but i dont know that virtuozzo
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1171[06:10:36] <kingkong> i never used it
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1174[06:12:04] <kingkong> my system not frankendebian now?
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1175[06:12:48] <kingkong> i must remove 1st and 7th lines from
source list?
replaced-url
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1176[06:14:16] <jmcnaught> kingkong: line 1 duplicates line 2.
lines 6,7 are third-party repos you would need to research whether
you need them, whether they're safe to use
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1180[06:16:11] <MurcieLee> I've read the document about
'CreatePackageFromPPA(replaced-url
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1181[06:16:59] <kingkong> how can i find if i have airtime
installed right now? i remember before i installed it but maybe
uninstalled later. dont remember
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1184[06:17:42] <kingkong> i remember that sourcefabric repo came
from airtime installation
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1185[06:17:43] <somiaj> kingkong: dpkg -l will list all installed
packages so will aptitiude ~i
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1186[06:17:57] <somiaj> removing the repos won't remove the
packages you may have installed from them
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1189[06:18:19] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: packages installed with
"dpkg -i" that also do not exist in APT repos will not get
updated by apt-get. If the package does exist in APT, it will get
upgraded if the version in APT ever has a higher version than the
one manually installed
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1192[06:18:53] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: so most likely if you want
to update the package you follow those steps in your link again to
redo the process
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1193[06:19:45] <jmcnaught> kingkong: this is the third time
tonight you've been told how to check if something is
installed, take some notes :P
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1194[06:21:07] <MurcieLee> jmcnaught: Then what 'deb-src
[URL]' makes difference? does it only provide source code for
packages and not about upgrade?
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1195[06:21:29] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: deb-src lines only provide
source packages
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1196[06:21:51] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: and you definitely
don't want to add a "deb" line for a Ubuntu PPA
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1198[06:22:05] <jmcnaught> Ubuntu and Debian are not binary
compatible
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1202[06:24:26] <MurcieLee> jmcnaught: Thank a lot. One mor
question. I've read about what you told not to add
'deb' for Ubuntu PPA and I understand it. How do you
install packages which not in debian repo but in ubuntu ppa?
I'm currently using Debian Sid for 2years now, but sometimes I
find packages such as 'moka' themes, icons...
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1203[06:26:33] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: that link you used is one
of the better ways. you can also install stuff manually on Debian to
/usr/local or just to one user's ~, but that also involves
manual maintenance and stuff in /usr/local can interfere with
upgrades
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1205[06:26:53] <kingkong> i did aptitude -i and a window appeared
which i dont understand. how to quit from it?
replaced-url
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1210[06:28:19] <jmcnaught> kingkong: Ctrl+T to get the menu, then
Q
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1212[06:28:43] <kingkong> jmcnaught: ok i will use dpkg -l after
now. :)
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1213[06:28:55] <jmcnaught> kingkong: the command recommended to
you was "aptitude ~i" not -i. It will be a long list, you
can pipe it to grep
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1214[06:30:12] <kingkong> i dont use znc 0.206-2 but using znc
1.7.x now. i dont know why it shows me znc 0.206-2 on the list
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1217[06:31:39] <jmcnaught> kingkong: paste "apt-cache policy
znc"
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1219[06:33:41] <kingkong> i did aptitude ~i first but it said me
unknown command ~i
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1220[06:33:55] <kingkong> and gave me aptitude help
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1222[06:34:16] <jmcnaught> kingkong: heh sorry "aptitude
search ~i"
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1223[06:34:44] <jmcnaught> kingkong:
replaced-url
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1225[06:35:35] <jml2> !version
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1226[06:35:35] <dpkg> Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version.
Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy
<packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the
command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian
suite>.
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1228[06:36:22] <jmcnaught> jml2: the topic has examples of how to
query the bot privately
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1229[06:36:25] <MarvelDigital> installed the most recent version
of Debian...Thank you all those involved...i really like it...
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1230[06:37:18] <kingkong> about znc
replaced-url
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1231[06:38:18] <jmcnaught> kingkong: that means znc was not
installed with a package, but some other way instead. commands
which, whereis, locate will help you find znc
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1234[06:39:03] <swift110-phone> Hey
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1237[06:39:26] <jmcnaught> kingkong: fairly recently jugding from
znc --version
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1242[06:40:49] <Hermaeus-mora> alot of people in here
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1245[06:44:57] <kingkong> but why i have znc 0.206-2 on this
screenshot ? i installed latest nightly of znc. i have still old
version files?
replaced-url
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1250[06:46:02] <kingkong> i dont have airtime. i see that
sourcefabric repo not needed too
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1251[06:46:30] <jmcnaught> kingkong: apt only manages and knows
stuff from apt repos. if you install something from source, apt
doesn't know about it
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1255[06:48:16] <Hermaeus-mora> pencilandpaper: there you are
hiding
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1263[06:50:05] <MurcieLee> jmcnaught: Are you using debian
wheezy?
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1266[06:50:33] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: no, why?
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1268[06:50:42] <kingkong> i should manually remove znc 0.206-2
from my system?
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1270[06:51:03] <MurcieLee> jmcnaught: Oh Sorry. msg was for
kingkong
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1274[06:51:26] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: where do you see that znc
0.206-2 is installed?
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1276[06:51:53] <MurcieLee> kingkong: On debian wheezy repos,
znc's version is 0.206-2 on
replaced-url
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1282[06:53:37] <MurcieLee> I think it is possible be installed
znc-extra, znc-python 0.206-2 from debian wheezy repos
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1283[06:53:58] <jmcnaught> heh sorry i did it too. kingkong:
where do you see that znc 0.206-2 is installed?
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1286[06:55:35] <MurcieLee> kingkong: check and paste
'apt-cache policy znc' as jmcnaught said.
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1289[06:56:45] <kingkong> i pasted it
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1293[06:57:10] <MurcieLee> kingkong: what version does it shows
your?
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1294[06:57:41] <kingkong> about znc
replaced-url
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1295[06:57:56] <jmcnaught> kingkong:
replaced-url
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1297[06:58:13] <jmcnaught> the Candidate is the version that
would get installed if you install it
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1299[06:58:39] <kingkong> so i dont have old version
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1301[06:59:01] <kingkong> my new source list
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1303[06:59:04] <jmcnaught> kingkong: you would really benefit
from reading
replaced-url
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1306[06:59:51] <kingkong> i readed that page before. :)
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1314[07:02:55] <kingkong> dont forget to take notes. :)
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1315[07:03:10] <jmcnaught> kingkong: that's the spirit!
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1317[07:05:27] <kingkong> MurcieLee: yes im on debian wheezy
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1318[07:05:32] <jmcnaught> kingkong: what i do is sorta like
this. i don't log into my servers directly, everything is
installed/configured by ansible-playbook. I keep my playbook in a
Git repository, it contains something like scripts that install and
set up all my server software. I test my Ansible playbooks
extensively before I deploy them to production, and can easily
review history by reviewing the git log and previous commits
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1320[07:06:07] <jmcnaught> kingkong: it might sound like a lot,
but it's way less work and stress in the long run than doing
everything by hand.
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1322[07:06:41] <kingkong> after edited sorces list, immediately
takes effect or i should reload somethings ?
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1326[07:07:36] <jmcnaught> kingkong: since you're running a
mail server on the internet, it's also important that you learn
the basics of operating your server. it would be a really good idea
to read the debian reference, and the documentation for all the
server software you're using
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1327[07:07:48] <jmcnaught> kingkong: after change sources.list
you need to run "apt-get update"
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1328[07:07:52] <MurcieLee> kingkong: you should 'apt-get
update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
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1329[07:08:12] <MurcieLee> but I think your source.list is bit
broken.
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1330[07:08:46] <MurcieLee> not sure. why did you set sid to your
deb-src?
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1332[07:08:59] <jmcnaught> dist-upgrade is usually not necessary.
on a server it's better to do "apt-get upgrade"
because that will never remove any packages. if it says that
packages were held back, you can investigate using dist-upgrade
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1335[07:10:08] <MurcieLee> jmcnaught: Does
'dist-upgrade' removes packages?
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1336[07:10:32] * zykotick9 notes "apt upgrade" won't
remove anything, and should upgrade almost everything
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1337[07:10:45] <somiaj> MurcieLee: dist-upgrade will add/remove
packages inorder to solve dependencies. Upgrade will not install any
packages in which adding/removing packages is needed to meet the
dependencies
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1338[07:10:49] <awal1> Murciele, under testing/unstable yes
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1339[07:11:30] <awal1> but under s'stable' upgrade or
dist-upgrade/full-upgrade does same thing
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1340[07:11:36] <MurcieLee> oh, didn't know that.
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1342[07:12:14] <awal1> no new packages are introduced into stable
, usually security/stability fixes
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1343[07:12:16] <themill> well, there are updates in stable that
will require the installation of new packages too -- either via
"apt ugprade", "apt-get dist-upgrade" or
"aptitude full-upgrade"
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1344[07:12:27] <kingkong> jmcnaught: i first time heard ansible
playbook. its hard to learn and use?
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1345[07:13:01] <awal1> I forgot to say 'almost' :P
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1346[07:13:12] <themill> (They are incredibly rare, but they do
happen; we'll probably have one in the next few weeks with
iceweasel→firefox)
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1350[07:14:06] <somiaj> also running the backports kernel will
need dist-upgrade when the next kernel drops into backports
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1351[07:14:08] <jmcnaught> kingkong: pretty easy to get started
with, there are other options too like puppet, chef, saltstack.
worth checking out.
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1352[07:15:52] <kingkong> jmcnaught: but on internet i readed
before that its better to use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade. i
dont see any difference yet while using both
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1353[07:16:23] <awal1> kingkong, so you have sid packages in your
old stable?
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1354[07:17:18] <jmcnaught> kingkong: there was just a discussion
about it in here over the last 10 minutes
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1356[07:17:31] <themill> ('oldstable' also in the sense
that "it used to be stable")
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1359[07:20:42] <kingkong> jmcnaught: ok i will try to learn
playbook and similar. can i use connect it from android device?
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1360[07:21:10] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i doubt it
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1362[07:21:28] <kingkong> MurcieLee: before i needed that sid for
something which i dont remember now why. :)
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1364[07:22:45] <kingkong> awal1: it was stable when i added sid
source for something
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1368[07:23:52] <somiaj> kingkong: you could have artifcats
floating around from all this stuff you have done. Id suggest
thinking about maybe moving to a jessie vps to start with a clean
base.
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1369[07:26:02] <kingkong> sorry my irc app frozen and had to
restart. can you repeat your last message which you sent after my
latest one please
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1371[07:26:13] <somiaj> kingkong: you could have artifcats
floating around from all this stuff you have done. Id suggest
thinking about maybe moving to a jessie vps to start with a clean
base.
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1373[07:28:22] <jmcnaught> kingkong: ^ is a very good suggestion.
maybe also test your setup on a spare computer or virtual machine
first too, so you don't have to experiment on the VPS
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1374[07:28:30] <kingkong> i will upgrade to jessie but not with
clean base. i will not have time to do everything again from zero
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1378[07:30:05] <kingkong> i dont have computer. using tablet pc
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1381[07:31:11] <kingkong> jmcnaught: my current setup ? or next
system setup ?
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1382[07:32:05] <kingkong> jessie is much different than wheezy ?
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1388[07:34:51] <jmcnaught> kingkong:
replaced-url
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1394[07:40:33] <kingkong> can i simulate my current wheezy
upgrade to jessie or above ?
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1395[07:41:03] <Lope> On Raspbian Jessie the way to define a
static IP is no longer inside /etc/network/interfaces. Now you
define a DHCP static IP (seems like an oxymoron to me) inside
dhcpcd.conf. Seems absolutely insane. Is this a Debian change, or
Raspbian specific?
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1396[07:41:38] <Lope> It's like defining your dog inside
cat.conf.
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1397[07:41:49] <jmcnaught> kingkong: by duplicating your system
on a test/staging server, and testing it
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1398[07:42:21] <themill> Lope: /e/n/interfaces is still the way
to define static IPs in jessie and I doubt raspbian changes that.
You could as #raspbian about that.
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1401[07:43:01] <Lope> Worse. It's like defining
weekend-activities inside weekends.conf.
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1403[07:43:27] <Lope> i mean weekday-activities inside
weekends.conf.
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1404[07:43:42] <kingkong> jmcnaught: but the test server shouldnt
have the same specs like my current one ?
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1406[07:44:21] <Lope> themill:
replaced-url
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1408[07:44:29] <Lope> There's a lot of info about it online
now.
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1409[07:45:37] <themill> There's a lot of crap on the
internet, yes.
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1411[07:49:26] <kingkong> where can i find this channel's
logs?
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1412[07:49:45] <themill> kingkong: /topic
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1417[07:52:26] <OsakaFoo> What's the deal with the Debian
wiki, seems to have old info and part made, covering all versions of
Debian, is there some method to the madness?
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1419[07:52:56] <Lope> themill: Many people saying it. Not just
one. Gentoo also describes how to set a static IP with dhcpcd:
replaced-url
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1420[07:53:02] <themill> OsakaFoo: it's a wiki; it relies on
volunteers like you to update it.
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1422[07:53:45] <themill> Lope: I'm not saying that you
can't make dhcp leases permanent allocations if you wanted.
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1423[07:53:52] <OsakaFoo> themill: how do you gain access, is
there an overlord who decides the rules?
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1424[07:54:03] <themill> OsakaFoo: create an account
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1426[07:56:57] <Lope> themill: This problem I had with dhcpcd
interfering with my static IP assignment... would it also happen on
debian?
replaced-url
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1427[07:56:57] <OsakaFoo> Was worried you'd say that.. There
goes the rest of my day :)
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1429[07:58:09] <themill> Lope: why are you using dhcp if you want
a static IP? Anyway #raspbian is the place to ask about configuring
raspbian. #debian doesn't have a clue what you're talking
about...
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1430[07:58:17] <jmcnaught> Lope: when in doubt about stuff you
read on the internet, you can consult your local documentatio.
"man interfaces" if you don't believe that /e/n/i is
no longer how to configure static IP. If Raspbian is different,
it's because derivatives are not the same as Debian. For
Raspbian support go to #raspbian
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1431[07:58:43] <Lope> themill: I'm not using DHCP. DHCP
imposed itself on me when I asked for a static IP inside
/e/n/interfaces
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1432[07:58:50] <themill> no.
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1773[08:20:40] <MurcieLee>
replaced-url
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1774[08:20:41] <MurcieLee> this link says that I should edit
debian/control but I'm not sure which file it is talking about.
Any ideas?
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1778[08:21:23] <themill> MurcieLee: quite literally
'debian/control'
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1779[08:21:41] <themill> MurcieLee: what are you trying to
achieve?
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1781[08:22:12] <MurcieLee> themill: I'm following on
replaced-url
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1782[08:22:56] <MurcieLee> but when I 'apt-get source
--build' error occurs and it says I should use dh_python2
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1784[08:23:44] <themill> ah... you probably want to work with the
PPA maintainer to fix up the packages then.
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1785[08:23:45] <MurcieLee> Where does 'debian/control'
exists?
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1786[08:24:10] <themill> You'll need to download the source
package to edit it and then build it.
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1787[08:24:33] <themill> !package recompile
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1788[08:24:33] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your
current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep
packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd
packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5)
dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i
../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>,
<nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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1789[08:24:55] <themill> You'll probably need to learn some
more about packaging though. /msg dpkg nmg
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1793[08:26:25] <MurcieLee> are 'debian/control',
'debian/rules' file?
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1794[08:26:38] <themill> yes
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1797[08:27:00] <MurcieLee> where are those file extsts? path...
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1798[08:27:06] <themill> in the source package
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1799[08:27:10] <themill> that *is* the path
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1803[08:28:06] <MurcieLee> OK. I found it!
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1804[08:28:08] <MurcieLee> Thank you
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1806[08:28:47] <MurcieLee> I thought it is located on something
like /etc/apt/blah...
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1807[08:29:37] <themill> no, a source package can be located
anywhere on your filesystem where you want to work
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1862[08:50:37] <hfzehg> ,v gnome-shell-extensions-openweather
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1863[08:50:38] <judd> No package named
'gnome-shell-extensions-openweather' was found in amd64.
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1877[08:55:11] <hfzehg> any idea when
gnome-shell-extension-weather will be updated in stable? gnome
depends on it so wouldn't I have to backport gnome entirely in
order to upgrade it?
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1892[08:59:01] <N3X15> Just found a rogue program running on my
dedi after receiving a bandwidth overload warning from my host
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1894[08:59:22] <N3X15> Anyone familiar with anything that runs as
/tmp/is that infects Jenkins instances?
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1910[09:06:57] <simonlnu> sounds like a rootkit... :/
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1913[09:07:20] <N3X15> Well, it's a pretty crappy one, since
it only had privileges to get to Jenkins
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1915[09:08:28] <nkuttler> N3X15: try askin in #jenkins?
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1917[09:08:50] <N3X15> I'll give that a shot, thanks
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1940[09:19:37] <vasundhar> Hi Any way to make changes to
resolv.conf persistant ? or which other file I should edit in order
for resolv.conf to have the nameserver I want to use ? I am not sure
where it is currentlypicking but seems like it belongs to OVH
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1954[09:22:03] <suexec> I have a server application (java based)
that's running on a server at home. Unfortunately, the server
has a GUI. I only have SSH access to the server as of now - is there
any way I can restart the application over SSH and have the GUI open
on the active display?
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1961[09:25:09] <poizen> I'm trying to implement filesystem
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tutorial ?
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1988[09:36:36] <timotheusbooth> hey everyone im new to debian,
and the package management is kind of confusing.. where is the
package for NFS? theres nfs-common which says it comes from
nfs-utils but no nfs-utils?
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1993[09:38:20] <XeonSquared> timotheusbooth: nfs-common is the
one you want to mount NFS
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1994[09:38:51] <timotheusbooth> so does nfs-common have a nfs
server and client?
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1995[09:39:38] <XeonSquared> nfs server is nfs-kernel-server I do
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1996[09:40:47] <timotheusbooth> no nfs-kernel-server here. i
searched nfs too but couldnt find anything.. will have a look on the
web now that my browsers downloaded
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1998[09:41:49] <XeonSquared> sitting in front of an arch box rn
so lemme ssh in
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2000[09:42:18] <XeonSquared> $ apt-cache search nfs server
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2001[09:42:21] <XeonSquared> ...
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2002[09:42:23] <XeonSquared> nfs-kernel-server - support for NFS
kernel server
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2003[09:42:24] <XeonSquared> ...
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2007[09:48:52] <timotheusbooth> nope nothing here.. maybe i need
some different repos? idk debian is confusing lol
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iceweasel doesn't have a "small" icon ? In
KDE/Cinnamon/... it hasn't any icon set, and one is used it is
really too big, I can only see the upper left part of the picture
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2023[10:02:38] <ghostinzshell> How should I go about installing
grsec for Debian Jessie (stable)?
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2024[10:02:46] <ghostinzshell> Would I have to build it manually?
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2029[10:04:28] <mika--1> Morning
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2032[10:05:49] <mika--1> i use now peppermintos it is ubuntu base
with lxde, before i use ubuntu and before that redhat and suse. i
use linux now for 15 years
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2033[10:06:12] <mika--1> what i hate the most is reinstall
everytime when there is a new version
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2034[10:06:27] <mika--1> now i am looking for a rolling distro
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2035[10:06:31] <mika--1> anyone a idea
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2036[10:06:33] <mika--1> ?
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2037[10:06:49] <TheQuestionmark> Sid.
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2039[10:07:12] <mika--1> debian sid is rolling?
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2040[10:07:26] <TheQuestionmark> Pretty much.
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2042[10:08:04] <TheQuestionmark> Testing's semi rolling too.
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2043[10:08:05] <mika--1> ok i go look for that.. so it can be
installed for years,
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2047[10:08:32] <mika--1> i was look for arch but i can not use
with it
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2049[10:08:52] <jonbryan> use what with it?
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2050[10:08:54] <mika--1> but sid is the same idea as arch ?
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2056[10:09:47] <mika--1> jonbryan: i can not get use with it, it
feels strange when you use ubuntu base for 10 years
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2060[10:10:25] <TheQuestionmark> It's still Debian so it is
sort of different but if you mean teh packages... yup
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2061[10:10:26] <mika--1> arch is to much diff with ubuntu/debian
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2062[10:11:04] <mika--1> i give debian a look, with lxde,
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2063[10:11:22] <mika--1> arch is bedian ?
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2064[10:11:27] <mika--1> debian
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2065[10:11:36] <mika--1> i was think ubuntu was close to debian
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2067[10:12:25] <jonbryan> arch is not debian
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2068[10:12:35] <jonbryan> if you're used to ubuntu, you will
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2071[10:14:12] <mika--1> jonbryan: thx then i go look at debian
sid
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2090[10:16:41] <Iridos> mika--1, what is the idea with arch?
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2095[10:17:45] <ghostinzshell> Are there any Linux images with
grsec enabled for Debian Jessie (stable)?
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2103[10:19:33] <Iridos> no. There is a linux-patch-grsecurity2
package with instructions on how to apply, though
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2104[10:19:45] <ghostinzshell> Oh, okay.
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2105[10:19:47] <Iridos> dpkg, grsec
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2106[10:19:48] <dpkg> grsecurity is a patch set to enhance Linux
kernel security: provides an ACL system, auditing capabilities and
institutes measures to prevent common system exploits. Packaged for
Debian as linux-patch-grsecurity2, read
/usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README.Debian to apply.
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2108[10:20:31] <ghostinzshell> Iridos: Would you happen to know
the future status of Grsec for Debian? They've discontinued
supplying stable builds to the public iirc.
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2111[10:21:01] <Iridos> judd, versions linux-patch-grsecurity2
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2112[10:21:03] <judd> Package: linux-patch-grsecurity2 on amd64
-- squeeze: 2.1.14+2.6.32.13-201005151340-1; wheezy:
2.9.1+3.2.21-201206221855-1; jessie: 3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1;
sid: 3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1; stretch: 3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1
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2113[10:21:24] <ghostinzshell> Huh, they're all from 2014.
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2115[10:22:57] <Iridos> well, jessie is from begin of 2015...
half a year of freeze.. sounds about right
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2116[10:22:57] <themill> ,v linux-image-4.3.0-1-grsec-amd64
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2117[10:22:59] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.3.0-1-grsec-amd64 on
amd64 -- sid: 4.3.5-1+grsec201602070910+1
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2118[10:23:03] <Iridos> oh, there is?
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2119[10:23:12] <Iridos> but only in sid
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2120[10:23:24] <themill> (not in jessie, but you should be able
to drag a kernel around)
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2123[10:24:01] <themill> If you're happy enough to try
breaking things with grsec, you should be happy enough breaking
things by trying a kernel from sid
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2125[10:24:08] <Iridos> heh
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2126[10:24:11] <jonbryan> lol
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2127[10:24:36] <rozie> non-grsec kernel version from sid installs
clearly on jessie and works OK (at least for me)
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2128[10:24:40] <Iridos> yeah, sorry. I'm on jessie myself,
so I don't see stuff in sid
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2133[10:26:39] <chele> ,v apt
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2134[10:26:40] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze7;
wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie:
1.0.9.8.2; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.9.8.3; sid: 1.2.6; stretch:
1.2.6
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2160[10:36:57] <jelly-home> ,v publicsuffix
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2161[10:36:58] <judd> Package: publicsuffix on amd64 -- jessie:
20140902-1; sid: 20160130-1; stretch: 20160130-1
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2166[10:38:19] <jelly-home> that... probably ought to be in
volatile.
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2168[10:38:56] <themill> make it so!
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2171[10:39:35] <jelly-home> LookingForSponsor
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2174[10:40:44] <themill> Raise it with the RT and if they ack it,
you'll get a sponsor PDQ
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2179[10:43:51] <Iridos> you're speaking in acronyms, not to
say riddles
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2181[10:44:14] <Iridos> dpkg, pdq
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2182[10:44:14] <dpkg> well, pdq is an AWESOME printing system for
unixlike operating systems, see
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2184[10:44:31] <Iridos> yeah, makes sense
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2187[10:45:23] <jelly-home> !rt
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2188[10:45:23] <dpkg> The PREEMPT_RT (linux-rt) realtime patch
set allows for nearly all of the Linux kernel to be preempted, which
may help achieve better low-latency behavior in some environments.
Since August 2011, the Debian Kernel Team produce binary packages
including this patch set, for the amd64 (linux-image-rt-amd64
metapackage) and i386 (linux-image-rt-686-pae metapackage)
architectures.
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2189[10:45:35] <lesta> like they say in negeria......They come
they go
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2191[10:45:47] <lesta> sorry, wrong channel
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2193[10:46:54] <brunus> Hi all
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2194[10:47:33] <jonbryan> lmao where is negeria
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2195[10:47:36] <jonbryan> brunus: good morning
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2197[10:47:50] <plasmoduck> Hey guys whats wrong with the shadows
on everything and how do I fix it please?
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2199[10:48:13] <brunus> since this morning my mouse's cursor
disappear when hovering Gnome dash, top bar or tray. Debian Testing.
Anyone had this prob also ?
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2201[10:48:36] <jonbryan> plasmoduck: looks normal to me,
what's wrong with them?
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2203[10:48:55] <plasmoduck> brunus, Debian Testing isn't
supported here, irc.oftc.net #debian-next
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2204[10:49:09] <brunus> ho thanks plasmoduck and sorry
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2207[10:49:34] <plasmoduck> jonbryan, the shadows are squared and
not smoothed and blended.
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2210[10:51:11] * jelly-home notes plasmoduck's own kernel is from
testing
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2211[10:51:17] <jonbryan> they used to be normal?
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2225[10:57:25] <afx237> Does anyone know where the Debian policy
is written that determines which scenarios stable packages get
upgrades? I'm having trouble finding it. I'm talking about
the upgrades that happen during the lifetime of a single stable
major release. (i.e. nothing to do with testing etc) e.g. This is
Ubuntu's version of what I'm looking for:
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2226[10:57:36] <plasmoduck> jelly-home, oops forgot I was on
testing on this box.
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2269[11:23:44] <joff> guys
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2270[11:23:55] <joff> how can I calculate a product in bash?
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2271[11:24:11] <rozie> what is a product?
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2274[11:24:21] <rozie> (example pls)
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2275[11:24:24] <joff> like say I want to calculate a product of
k/2 from k=0,...,73
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2276[11:25:21] <rozie> echo $[2*3]
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2277[11:25:30] <rozie> or bc
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2278[11:25:54] <joff> the point is that I dont want to type in by
hand
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2279[11:26:11] <Ymarg> moin
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2280[11:26:13] <rozie> both can be used in scripts
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2281[11:26:17] <joff> 1/2 * 2/2 * 3/2 * ... * 73/2
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2284[11:28:01] <jelly-home> joff: product of 0/2 * 1/2 * ... 73/2
is 0, don't have to calculate it!
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2285[11:28:14] <joff> ... *WITHOUT* the zero
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2287[11:28:58] <jelly-home> joff: also, bash doesn't deal
with large numbers well
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2288[11:29:00] <MrHyde_> joff: for i in {0..73}; do echo
"$i*2" |bc ; done
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2290[11:29:42] <joff> wtf I have python here
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2291[11:29:42] <joff> lol
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2292[11:29:51] <joff> what am I doing
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2293[11:30:01] <pfote> hehe
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2294[11:30:11] <pfote> ipython ftw!
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2295[11:30:23] <jelly-home> at least that one has bignum.
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2298[11:30:37] <joff> I_DONT_CARE about bignums
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2299[11:30:49] <joff> I am happy with double precision
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2314[11:36:51] <deepy> Is there any application that returns the
specified exit code?
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2316[11:37:00] <Iridos> joff, bash isn't really much
suitable for calculations. This is really a question for #bash. And
what they would answer is with bashfaq 022:
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2317[11:37:02] <mika--1> is there no 686 architectuur for debian
sid ?
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2318[11:37:52] <Iridos> joff, so the bash answer is: bash
doesn't do that, use a program. The debian answer is to install
apcalc
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2321[11:39:00] <mika--1> hmm sid dont have security updates ?
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2322[11:39:04] <mika--1> Please note that security updates for
unstable distribution are not managed by the security team. Hence,
unstable does not get security updates in a timely manner. For more
information please see the
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2327[11:40:24] <Iridos> it does get security updates via the
normal mechanism of new versions in... there is just no dedicated
security team/effort
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2328[11:41:06] <mika--1> ok so no worry about that ?
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2329[11:41:47] <Iridos> well... it depends on the maintainer, if
he uploads a new version with fixes?
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2333[11:42:41] <Iridos> and so you cannot really rely on it for
every package?
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2335[11:43:16] <Iridos> deepy, every program?
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2339[11:43:47] <deepy> Iridos: more like, I want to give it a
specific code to return
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2340[11:44:32] <Iridos> /bin/true and //bin/false?
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2341[11:44:43] <mika--1> Iridos: but use stable gives me
reinstall every 6 months ?
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2342[11:44:47] <mika--1> like ubuntu
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2344[11:45:02] <Iridos> mika--1, no
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2345[11:45:35] <mika--1> rename sourcelist and dist-upgrade works
?
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2346[11:45:40] <Iridos> there are no reinstalls needed whatsoever
if one doesn't want to... and new stable releases come out
every 2-3 years
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2348[11:45:55] <mika--1> becasue in ubuntu it give problems a few
years back
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2349[11:46:39] <mika--1> i go read more and look what i gona do
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2350[11:46:47] <Iridos> usually a little more than that... but
upgrades can be pretty smoothly, supposing one doesn't mix
non-debian packages in and maybe waits a little until the new stable
is released
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2352[11:47:26] <Iridos> at least my last wheezy->jessie was
decidedly unexciting
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2354[11:50:03] <mika--1> So what is smart, i use links now for 15
years, start with suse and redhat to test, the come to ubuntu and
stay for 5 years i think. nog i user peppermintos for a few years
and love it but hate the install every time
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2357[11:50:44] <mika--1> when i look around i still like lxde and
cinnamon
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2360[11:51:04] <mika--1> so debian stable fits me also then ?
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2361[11:51:17] <Iridos> dunno... I used redheat like... 1998...
then suse until maybe 2000/2001... then switched to debian and saw
no reason to change since then
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2363[11:51:44] <mika--1> and you use stable ?
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2364[11:51:57] <Iridos> debian stable is perfect to get work done
on a system without having to fix any new-software bugs in between
releases
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2365[11:52:12] <mika--1> with what desktop ? gnome kde ?
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2367[11:52:23] <Iridos> if you think you need the very newest
version of every software, debian stable is not for you
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2368[11:52:45] <Iridos> right now? lxde... that seems to work
reasonably ok
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2378[11:56:05] <Iridos> between releases, no new versions of
packages go into debian-stable, only bugfixes
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2379[11:56:22] <Iridos> and of those mostly security bugfixes
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2387[11:59:17] <Iridos> newer versions of *some* packages is
provided via volatile (now debian-updates, I think) or backports...
or one can (sometimes pretty easily) backport from testing or
unstable
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2388[11:59:29] <vasundhar_> Hi All, What modifies resolv.conf ?
it seems to refresh everytime I restart , and it has ovh specific
DNS in the nameserver directive
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2389[11:59:49] <vasundhar_> I don’t see any mention of
ifcfg-eth0 or likes in network scripts
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2390[12:00:07] <Brigo> vasundhar_, are you using dynamic ip?
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2393[12:00:22] <Iridos> vasundhar_, unfortunately... possibly all
kinds of things. dh_client would be one
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2394[12:00:28] <Iridos> well
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2395[12:00:32] <Iridos> !next
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2396[12:00:32] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2401[12:03:18] <evil_shibe> i installed debian testing - why
it's slower than stable?
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2402[12:04:09] <DrOwl> Hi All, im running xfce on 8.3, on a
laptop And i keep getting notifications from the power manager
saying "your battey is fully charged", like every 30
seconds, how do i stop that?
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2407[12:05:10] <plasmoduck> Hey guys whats wrong with the shadows
on everything and how do I fix it please?
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2415[12:07:15] <evil_shibe> plasmoduck: try rm -rf /
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2418[12:08:33] <plasmoduck> evil_shibe, um, no.
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2419[12:08:52] <evil_shibe> why
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2420[12:09:19] <plasmoduck> I won't fall for your trollish
trickery.
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2421[12:09:38] <evil_shibe> \:(
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2422[12:09:39] <evil_shibe> :(
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2425[12:10:01] <evil_shibe> what is big differences between
debian testing and ubuntu?
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2430[12:13:07] <ewew> plasmoduck Which distribution are you using
? debian or ubuntu ?
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2444[12:18:45] <evil_shibe> i have question to all users: you
like cannonical?
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2445[12:19:02] <evil_shibe> i think it's a company for earn
cash from free debian project
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2446[12:19:08] <evil_shibe> *who want earn
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2447[12:19:10] <karlpinc> evil_shibe: That's for
#debian-offtopic
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2449[12:19:38] <evil_shibe> i need all #debian-NAMES channel list
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2450[12:19:41] <mika--1> Iridos: ok understand, i wil a steble
system what i can use for everyday and i hate to reinstall because
linux keep working
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2451[12:19:42] <evil_shibe> where i can find it?
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2453[12:20:05] <karlpinc> evil_shibe: At debian.org
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2463[12:23:21] <evil_shibe> henryk1: you here?
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2475[12:26:44] <mika--1> Iridos: use lvm partitions ?
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2478[12:27:03] <mika--1> or is that only for raid
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2509[12:37:40] <vasundhar> @Brigo No It is static IP from OVH
part of the plan
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2513[12:38:19] <vasundhar> Brigo: ^
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2531[12:42:25] <Brigo> vasundhar, OVH?
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2533[12:43:32] <vasundhar> OVH is the cloud provider
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2534[12:43:42] <vasundhar>
replaced-url
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2538[12:44:23] <armin> hi. is there a usable jabber client for
KDE? could be gtk2/gtk3 too as long as it isn't pidgin, but qt
would be prefered. OTR support is a must, desktop notifications too.
any recommendation would be welcome.
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2542[12:45:01] <vasundhar> armin: any reason why not pidgin ?
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2543[12:45:04] <Brigo> vasundhar, are you using any kind of dns
helper like dnsmasq? It should be a service.
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2544[12:45:07] <jelly-home> armin: I'm running pidgin in
kde, what functionality are you missing
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2546[12:45:31] <vasundhar> Brigo: I am not using DNSMasq ,
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2549[12:45:59] <vasundhar> but what I feel is as long as the
dnsresolution can be handled by external DNS provider like OpenDNS
we don’t need caching
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2550[12:46:36] <Brigo> i just trying to guess what is writing
that file.
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2551[12:46:48] <vasundhar> That is what making me ultra curious
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2552[12:47:00] <paolo43> 03/10/16 Microsoft has just blackmailed
linux twice in a single week
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2553[12:47:07] <vasundhar> Because I give OpenVPN directives in
/etc/openvpn/server.conf
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2556[12:47:30] <vasundhar> and this rogue IP is coming from I
Dont know where in Name Server
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2562[12:49:39] <vasundhar> when I did whois it ended up
cdns.ovh.com
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2563[12:50:33] <avis> does anyone know if the font in elementary
os stable (not sure which one it is) is installable on debian jessie
?
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2566[12:50:58] <jelly-home> avis: ask them which one it is
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2569[12:52:36] <armin> jelly-home: i just don't like it
much.
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2570[12:53:01] <armin> jelly-home: i always end up migrating all
my accounts to bitlbee because pidgin annoys me, but i would love to
find a decent graphical client.
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2576[12:54:52] <TomTomTosch> armin, telepathy does that.
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2577[12:56:02] <TomTomTosch> ah, otr might be a problem with the
one in jessie. let me check.
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2587[12:59:50] <TomTomTosch> nvm. needs 0.9 for that and
it's not in jessie.
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2592[13:00:36] <jelly-home> TomTomTosch: telepathy in kde4 on
jessie works like shit for me, completely unusable even for basic
functionality
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2599[13:02:59] <TomTomTosch> jelly-home, really? i have only seen
coworker use it, i've always liked pidgin.
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2604[13:04:32] <jelly-home> I couldn't get it to connect to
2-3 accounts that used to Just Work in pidgin
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2606[13:06:00] * themill uses it with no issues
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2610[13:06:53] <julius> hi
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2611[13:06:55] <jelly-home> it failed with all of: lync
(pidgin-sipe); xmpp while google supported it; skype (pidgin-skype)
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2613[13:07:01] <julius> where do i get the .deb for this:
replaced-url
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2617[13:07:38] <jelly-home> dpkg, tell julius about non-free
sources
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2622[13:08:07] <julius> its a network driver...no cable here
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2623[13:08:16] <julius> wasnt it possible to download those?
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2627[13:08:32] <julius> i mean with another pc from that page
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2629[13:09:22] <TomTomTosch> julius, you have the download links
on the right.
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2630[13:09:40] <jelly-home> julius: sure, click on
"all" link near the botton
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2632[13:10:20] <jelly-home> TomTomTosch: is there a download link
for the binary .deb on the right now? I don't see it
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2634[13:12:12] <TomTomTosch> oops. listen to jelly. i'm
telling lies.
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2635[13:12:25] <julius> yeah i already downloaded a .tar.gz by
accident...but there should be a .deb?
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2638[13:12:38] <TomTomTosch> julius, what jelly-home said.
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2641[13:13:05] <julius> ah
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2642[13:13:11] <julius> yeah, thats a good webpage desin
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2657[13:18:31] <TomTomTosch> i think it's pretty clear,
i'm just a derp.
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2680[13:29:30] <MrDetonia> Hi, what package provides ffmpeg in
Jessie?
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2687[13:30:17] <TomTomTosch> MrDetonia, ffmpeg in
jessie-backports
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2688[13:30:21] <themill> MrDetonia: what are you actually looking
for?
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2689[13:30:33] <MrDetonia> TomTomTosch: Thanks will try
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2690[13:30:41] <MrDetonia> themill: looking for the ffmpeg binary
to stream with
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2691[13:30:46] <themill> (ffmpeg means different things to
different people)
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2692[13:31:23] <themill> avconv or avplay are in libav-tools or
there are ffmpeg packages as TomTomTosch said
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2730[13:41:38] <TomTomTosch> yep, avconv is recommended, but
there are often people here who insist on ffmpeg.
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2733[13:42:13] <ychaouche> hello #debian
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2735[13:42:58] <ychaouche> I would like to disable two sites in
httpd, one is served on port 80 and the other on port 8081.
Here's what I tried and got errors :
replaced-url
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2736[13:43:03] <ychaouche> the errors are mentioned in the
pastebin.
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2739[13:43:41] <ychaouche> a2dissite is debian-specific so no
support on #httpd
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2740[13:43:45] <l3archos> hey all. I have downloaded a file
"foo" from the internet with iceweasel. "foo" is
a bash/init.d script and when I open this file within Iceweasel from
the "Downloaded" section it is opened with GEDIT and I see
syntax highlighting. I can also open my Nemo filebrowser and browse
to the temporary folder where this file resides. When I double-click
on it I get syntax highlighting, too. But --> when I copy this
file to another location /some/where ther
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2742[13:44:31] <l3archos> I'm puzzled because in both
instances I am using GEDIT and open the file. I have ensured with
"xprop" when I click onto the window. It's GEDIT
running. Why don't I have syntax highlighting ?
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2743[13:45:05] <ychaouche> extension ?
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2745[13:45:22] <ychaouche> syntax highliting relies on file
extensions most of the times.
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2746[13:45:30] <themill> ychaouche: can you pastebin the output
of "find /etc/apache2/sites-* -ls" for us?
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2748[13:46:02] <l3archos> ychaouche: it's the same file
name.
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2751[13:46:55] <ychaouche> Sorry I might have missed something
from you earelir message, it gets truncated at "when I copy
this file to another location /some/where ther"
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2752[13:47:00] <l3archos> ychaouche: I have moved the file from
iceweasel download directory to ~/mydir
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2753[13:47:02] <ychaouche> and then I didn't get the rest
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2754[13:47:16] <l3archos> ...when I copy this file to another
location /some/where there is no syntax highlighting
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2755[13:47:26] <ychaouche> themill:
replaced-url
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2759[13:48:03] <themill> ychaouche: a2*site works on files in
sites-available and works on filenames. You don't have to use
a2ensite (you clearly didn't), but if you don't use
a2ensite, don't try to use a2dissite.
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2760[13:48:18] <maddawg2> yay for internets
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2761[13:48:26] <l3archos> ychaouche: oh I have found out
something --> the location is a smb:// where I copied/moved to. I
gues THAT IS the reason why syntax highlighting is not displayed on
smb locations?? Is that something I can enable though ?
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2762[13:48:48] <maddawg2> without the internet none of us would
be here right now... YIP YIP HURRAY!!
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2770[13:51:36] <l3archos> the smb share is mounted throuhg gvfs
to be more precise with "gigolo"
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2771[13:52:27] <scardinal> Trying to install Jessie on a blade I
get "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in SCSI1
partition #1 (sda) at / failed". I can see it partitions and
formats the drive but the mount fails. Using xfs / btrfs it works.
Why can it be that ext4 fails ?
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2776[13:54:28] <armin> TomTomTosch: awesome. thank you.
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2779[13:58:17] <Iridos> scardinal, maybe there are any messages
in dmesg-output... maybe you can switch to a virtual console with a
shell ...
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2790[14:03:08] <scardinal> Iridos: Okay in dmesg I get sda:
unknown partition table and ext4 unknown symbols. Does that help? I
cannot understand why the partition table should be unknown.
Haven't it just created it ?
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2795[14:07:17] <CustosL1men> hi
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2796[14:07:35] <CustosL1men> is there something like scl (from
rhel) for debian (and possibly friends) ?
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2797[14:07:58] <CustosL1men>
replaced-url
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2806[14:12:16] <DHex> Debian linux is just like OS setup but no
packages?
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2807[14:12:27] <DHex> Hellol!! 1647 people
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2808[14:12:31] <DHex> @all
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2809[14:12:48] <hiya> DHex, it has got all the packages
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2810[14:12:53] <hiya> what are you looking for?
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2811[14:13:00] <DHex> I think I want to install arch lol
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2812[14:13:07] <DHex> But why debian?
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2813[14:13:12] <B[]rG> debian master race :P
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2814[14:13:13] <B[]rG> :D
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2815[14:13:13] <DHex> I mean I want to try deep in linux
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2817[14:13:19] <DHex> Don't hate e
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2818[14:13:19] <DHex> me
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2819[14:13:22] <DHex> For asking it here
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2820[14:13:36] <B[]rG> try gentoo :D
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2821[14:13:57] <bogus-> linux from scratch still is a thing
right?
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2823[14:13:58] <DHex> What's gentoo?
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2824[14:14:03] <DHex> Why not?
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2825[14:14:09] <themill> wrong channel?
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2826[14:14:09] <DHex> I don't want something fancy
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2827[14:14:14] <DHex> Maybe
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2828[14:14:19] <DHex> My bad (?)
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2829[14:14:38] <jonbryan> do a debian netinst, go deep
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2830[14:14:51] <B[]rG> jup
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2831[14:15:01] <evolinux> DHex.. You're a bit everywhere and
not specific. Can you be more specific "deep in linux".
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2832[14:15:03] <B[]rG> netinsta debian + xfce
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2833[14:15:15] <DHex> I want to learn about linux
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2834[14:15:35] <themill> !debian handbook
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2835[14:15:35] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is
at
replaced-url
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2836[14:15:42] <DHex> What do you like in debian that's not
in other stuff?
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2837[14:15:49] <B[]rG> you can go "deep linux" with
ubuntu
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2838[14:15:57] <evolinux> DHex.. Do you know the difference
between linux and a linux distro?
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2839[14:15:59] <DHex> Ubuntu is like all ready
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2840[14:16:05] <DHex> linux is a kernel
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2841[14:16:11] <jonbryan> ^, you don't need to use lfs or
gentoo to learn linux, or "go deep"
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2842[14:16:52] <evolinux> jonbryan.. that's what I thought
as well. Don't know what results he's expecting.
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2843[14:16:58] <bogus-> lfs forces you to learn stuff ;)
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2844[14:17:09] <bogus-> a standard debian/ubuntu install not so
much
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2845[14:17:25] <DHex> Me neither
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2846[14:17:27] <DHex> I don't know
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2849[14:17:31] <themill> maybe this should relocate to ##linux?
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2850[14:17:43] <DHex> come to linux?
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2853[14:19:26] <evolinux> DHex.. What is it that you want to do
with Debian Linux? If you want more information regarding linux,
then probably it's better to join the channel #linux.
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2863[14:26:15] <ychaouche> l3archos: seems unlikely
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2864[14:26:36] <ychaouche> themill: yep, I think they used
ispconfig to create the websites and to manage them.
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2865[14:26:57] <themill> lovely
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2867[14:27:15] <ychaouche> themill: I think i'll just
comment out the sections then as I don't want to mess with the
filenames, othewiste other sysadmins can't get anything done.
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2885[14:35:28] <livcd> why the heck is mdadm masked on my jessie
?
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2890[14:36:05] <thomax> hi, i have a problem with
nvidia-legacy-340xx with 4.40-1 amd64 kernel. the nvidia kernel
module didn't seem to get build/installed.
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2892[14:36:37] <thomax> i can't find any good relevant hint
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2894[14:36:53] <towo^work> thomax, and which version of
nvidia-legacy-340xx you use?
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2898[14:38:48] <thomax> towo^work: hi, thanks for asking. here is
my dpkg | grep:
replaced-url
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2900[14:39:12] <towo^work> thomax, use paste.debian.net
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2901[14:39:25] <ychaouche> themill: do you think it's safe
to just unlink the symbolic links, manually ?
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2902[14:39:25] <towo^work> i can't use pastebin.ca
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2904[14:40:14] <themill> ychaouche: sure. apache will be happy
with that
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2905[14:40:21] <thomax>
replaced-url
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2914[14:42:21] <thomax> towo^work: thats what i got installed
when i install the suggested package (nvidia-detect)
nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver
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2917[14:42:59] <towo^work> thomax, dkms status (as root) is
saying what?
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2919[14:43:43] <thomax> towo^work: dkms.conf not found
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2922[14:44:37] <Kakurady> How do I get in touch with the zh-cn
l10n group? There's a mistake in translation in Ubuntu's
libapt-pkg that came from Debian.
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2923[14:44:55] <towo^work> thomax, apt-get --reinstall install
nvidia-legacy-340xx-kernel-dkms
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be normally?
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2932[14:46:51] <thomax> towo^work: Module build for the currently
running kernel was skipped since the
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2933[14:46:53] <thomax> kernel source for this kernel does not
seem to be installed.
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2935[14:47:34] <towo^work> apt-get install linux-headers-($uname
-r)
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2938[14:48:00] <towo^work> but better you install the metapackage
for the headers
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2943[14:50:51] <thomax> towo^work: thank you so much.
shouldn't it be a dependency??
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2957[14:58:18] <karlpinc> Kakurady: I'd file a bug report
against the package. bugs.debian.org
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2958[14:58:36] <karlpinc> !tell Kakurady about reportbug
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2959[14:59:17] <karlpinc> Kakurady: Alternately,
packages.debian.org should have a contact address.
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2960[14:59:32] <Kakurady> karlpinc: report-bug isn't going
to be useful because I'm running Ubuntu, not debian.
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2962[15:00:16] <Kakurady> Source package apt is maintained by APT
development team.
replaced-url
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2963[15:01:05] <karlpinc> Kakurady: You don't have to file a
bug report with reportbug. You can also use email.
replaced-url
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2965[15:01:58] <Kakurady> Should I report the bug to Ubuntu
instead?
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2968[15:03:18] <karlpinc> Kakurady: I'd guess that since you
want the language people, a bug report against that specific package
would be best. I can't say about reporting to Ubuntu, just
what's best. If it's coming from debian I suppose
reporting upstream to us is the absolute best approach. But
that's my thought.
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2971[15:04:02] <Kakurady> It's coming from Debian, so...
thanks.
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2972[15:04:04] <Kakurady> :)
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2973[15:04:06] <karlpinc> Kakurady: I don't know you want
the source package, you really want the specific language package.
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2974[15:04:20] <karlpinc> That will be sure to reach the right
people.
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2978[15:05:04] <karlpinc> Kakurady: There's probably a
"best way" that I'm not sending you to. But the
package people will know who to send the report on to.
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2991[15:13:15] <Walakea> how can i massively convert svg files to
svgz at best through commang line?
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2996[15:16:07] <towo^work> Walakea, with the cli interface of
inkscape
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2998[15:16:45] <Walakea> i looked at the man page but did not
find a mention about svgz
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2999[15:16:58] <Walakea> many others but not svgz
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3001[15:17:37] <towo^work> btw, svgz is only a zipped svg afaik
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3003[15:18:01] <Walakea> i know
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3004[15:18:50] <Walakea> so i just need to gzip them and rename
them to svgz
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3006[15:19:27] <colo-work> is there a web-based URL shortener
service available in Debian?
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3050[15:30:33] <Cloudwalker42> Do someone know how I can register
an user account on irc.freenode.org.. Its only possible for me to
write in some channels of this server. I want to chat on the topic
httpd but can't regarding this
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3053[15:31:43] <jonbryan> you need to register your nick with
nickserv
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3062[15:33:56] <karlpinc> Cloudwalker42: If you need more help
ask on #freenode. If nothing else they will know _exactly_ where to
send you.
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3089[15:44:29] <necronian> Does anyone know why lxc-dev is
available in every version of debian except jessie?
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3090[15:45:10] <necronian> It's just really odd.
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3092[15:45:39] <mtn> necronian:
replaced-url
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3093[15:46:24] <necronian> mtn: and what does that tell me
exactly?
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3094[15:46:44] <mtn> necronian: exactly what you asked. why it is
not in jessie
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3099[15:48:21] <necronian> mtn: maybe you want to get a bit more
specific? because I'm not obviously not seeing what you are.
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3100[15:48:46] <mtn> necronian: open the site. put the package
name in the search field. click. read.
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3104[15:49:11] <necronian> mtn: I did so and see nothing relevant
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3110[15:53:25] <mtn> necronian: you are right. I don't see
it either, unless the problems section is relevant
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3125[15:58:07] <necronian> mtn: Well thanks for all the unhelpful
hostility anyway.
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3126[15:58:19] <mtn> snort
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3133[16:01:25] <mi11k1> anybody use vnstat? Im having trouble
with it not updating.
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3139[16:02:38] <mika--1> netinsall from debian8 done .. now see
if i like it
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3188[16:17:30] <Iridos> necronian, well, to be fair, this *is*
the page (or one of them) that leads to the information ... or
should do so.
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3192[16:17:58] <dionysus69> please I am hit this error while
trying to install passenger and nginx-extras. here is the
jourtnalctl -xn output
replaced-url
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3193[16:18:41] <Iridos> judd, versions lxc
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3194[16:18:42] <judd> Package: lxc on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.2-1;
squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.2-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports:
0.8.0~rc1-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.0~rc1-8+deb7u2; wheezy-backports:
1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie:
1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; stretch: 1:1.1.5-1; sid: 1:1.1.5-1
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3195[16:18:52] <Iridos> judd, versions lxc-dev
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3196[16:18:53] <judd> Package: lxc-dev on amd64 --
squeeze-backports: 0.8.0~rc1-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.0~rc1-8+deb7u2;
sid: 1:1.1.5-1; stretch: 1:1.1.5-1
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3199[16:19:19] <thurstylark> dionysus69:
replaced-url
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3200[16:19:50] <dionysus69> thurstylark:
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3201[16:19:50] <dionysus69> nginx: [emerg] open()
"/etc/nginx/nginx.conf" failed (2: No such file or
directory)
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3202[16:19:50] <dionysus69> nginx: configuration file
/etc/nginx/nginx.conf test failed
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3203[16:19:55] <Iridos> necronian, hmm. look at
replaced-url
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3204[16:20:02] <necronian> Iridos: To be fair, I already looked
before I asked. If you don't have anything helpful to
contribute you could just say nothing at all or maybe politely say
have you tried checking X
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3205[16:20:16] <r0ck_> hello ppl! lots of love
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3206[16:20:20] <thurstylark> dionysus69: does that file indeed
not exist?
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3207[16:20:40] <r0ck_> is there a way to make debian connect to
the internet earlier that anyone logons, but also have on logon
wireless connection?
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3209[16:20:45] <Iridos> necronian, apparently the lxc-dev was
removed and re-added for purely packaging-techincal reasons of
splitting out libraries
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3210[16:20:45] <dionysus69> nope I deleted etc/nginx dir hoped it
would get recreated once I would reinstall
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3213[16:21:07] <thurstylark> dionysus69: then there's your
problem
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3214[16:21:16] <Iridos> necronian, no doubt, saying nothing is
one of the many options available to anyone
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3215[16:21:32] <dionysus69> so ? :D how do I deal with it ? :S
but I hit the problem before that too but I guess different one
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3218[16:22:31] <Iridos> there seems to be no bug report
associated with the dropping of lxc-dev, though
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3221[16:22:49] <Iridos> so it really *is* hard to find
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3222[16:22:55] <dionysus69> thurstylark: ok I found my error. I
apt-get removed with purge flag and now it worked :) thanks for
hints!
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3227[16:25:05] <Iridos> so seems it was dropped Aug 2014 and
added back in Aug 2015
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3235[16:26:51] <Iridos> and Jessie was released Apr 2015... and
frozen since Nov 2014
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3236[16:26:54] <necronian> Iridos: It's not a huge deal but
it was just odd. I have no idea what: Dropping lxc-dev, according to
ftp-master this is not acceptable anymore without having split out
library package. actually means though.
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3244[16:28:18] <mika--1> Iridos: you use also Lxde
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3246[16:28:50] <mika--1> why do i have a menu normal from lxde
and 1 from debian
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3249[16:29:49] <Iridos> seems there is a policy that you have to
put libraries into a separate package libXXX if you want to offer a
development package XXX-dev as you can see, this happened:
replaced-url
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3251[16:30:17] <Iridos> mika--1, I pretty much don't use
menus
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3252[16:30:36] <mika--1> i see also games are installed..
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3253[16:30:43] <mika--1> i wish have it minimal ..
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3254[16:30:50] <mika--1> that is why i did a netinstall
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3259[16:32:09] <mika--1> Iridos: ok understand, but you have that
also ?
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3260[16:32:28] <Iridos> mika--1, netinstall just means you start
out installing a minimal system until reboot. After that everything
you selected is installed from mirrors
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3262[16:33:06] <Iridos> mika--1, not sure what you mean... I have
a "debian" section in the menu created by the lower-left
button
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3264[16:33:50] <mika--1> yes i mean that
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3266[16:34:31] <Iridos> necronian, so basically it was about the
interpretation of
replaced-url
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3271[16:36:31] <necronian> Iridos: Yea, it seems like I got
caught up in a little bit of bookkeeping. Still seems odd to not
just leave it as is and fix it for the next release cycle. Thanks
for the help.
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3272[16:36:34] <mika--1> Iridos: i wish only firefox and codecs
to internet, and the rest is easy to install after
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3274[16:36:54] <Iridos> necronian, you can just get the one from
backports, though?
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3278[16:39:23] <necronian> Iridos: I just need python2-lxc for
ansible so I'm probably just going to make a quick package for
it.
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3305[16:46:44] <Nettuno81> hellp shinnya
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3308[16:47:42] <ghormoon> is there anything in apt to rollback
operation? I've purged package with way too much packages
depending on it ... :)
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3315[16:49:19] <somiaj> ghormoon: not really, but apt does keep
logs. Just reinstall the packages again
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3317[16:49:34] <somiaj> ghormoon: note with purges you will have
lost all the config files and may have to recreate them
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3318[16:49:49] <ghormoon> I've reinstalled some, but now it
says it wants to autoremove like 100 packages and I don't know
what it misses :(
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3321[16:50:48] <ghormoon> log says apt-get purge package1
package2\nInstall: a lot of packages. that's strange
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3322[16:51:23] <somiaj> ghormoon: if you have a large meta
package (like say gnome) and then remove one of the things inside
that large metapackage that you don't need problem is it must
remove the metapackage
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3323[16:51:50] <ghormoon> I need to track down which metapackages
got removed
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3324[16:52:00] <ghormoon> but maybe I'll manage to parse out
the logs
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3326[16:52:03] <somiaj> ghormoon: since the meta package is what
was holding everything in, things are no longer being held in due to
automatic installs. If they are still int he state that apt says it
wants to autoremove them. Just pick the ones you think are the most
important and change the flag from auto to manual
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3329[16:52:29] <somiaj> ghormoon: lots of times they get revmoved
when you remove one of their depends. Problem is not the package you
removed, but the fact there is no manual package holding the other
packges in anymore
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3330[16:52:42] <somiaj> just change the flags of the main ones to
manual and they won't want to be autoremoved anymore
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3335[16:53:54] <ghormoon> dunno which are the main, there are too
many :) I've xargs'd them to install
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3336[16:54:03] <mika--1> Iridos: i see i can also do a expert
install, maybe then is it porsble to make a choice
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3337[16:54:19] <Pseudo> i just want to ask abt a terminal ...as
can i only install yakuake terminal without using konsole
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3339[16:54:28] <ghormoon> I'll have to reinstall sometime
anyway :)
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3340[16:54:50] <somiaj> ghormoon: look at the actual packages.
usually libs should be auto, the rest should be manual if you want
them
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3343[16:55:07] <somiaj> sometimes there are various level of meta
packages, in the gnome instance, if the large gnomepackage is to
much for you, the gnome-core metapackage should be better
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3344[16:55:09] <Pseudo> am using xfce DE..i have got to apt-get
remove --purge konsole but it do remove both yakuake and konsole
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3345[16:55:10] <Iridos> mika--1, there is no need for that. just
don't choose the desktop task while installing... mind that
that means you will not have any graphical interface after install
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3347[16:55:33] <ghormoon> i was trying to replace gnutls for new.
that was ad idea :)
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3348[16:55:34] <ghormoon> *bad
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3349[16:55:53] <Pseudo> my question is how can i use only yakuake
termianl while discard the konsole terminal?
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3350[16:56:28] <mika--1> Iridos: and then install lxde with
apt-get ?
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3351[16:56:38] <mika--1> after a reboot i mean
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3352[16:56:41] <Pseudo> am i be able in anyway to install yakuake
with apt-get
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3353[16:56:50] <Iridos> ghormoon, show some command and its
output... you may also try using aptitude instead of apt-get...
aptitude will show a solution to a certain problem and then you have
the possibility to refuse that solution and it will search for
another one
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3354[16:56:54] <Pseudo> without konsole
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3358[16:57:39] <Iridos> mika--1, for example... there are some
factoids on that in our bot... e.g. /msg dpkg install lxde and /msg
dpkg install x
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3361[16:58:03] <ghormoon> Iridos: those were 414 packages of what
212 were libs
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3362[16:58:25] <ghormoon> just xargs apt-get install -y for quick
fix, at least I have a reason to reinstall :)
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3373[17:00:26] <Iridos> /o\
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3374[17:00:51] <streulma> :-)
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