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73[00:24:28] <locrian9> Is it a common thing when you install
Debian that the 'sources.list' for apt-get only lists the
local DVD as the source? The only uncommented repo sources in
'sources.list' are 'deb
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79[00:26:56] <locrian9> When I'm trying my 'apt-get
install sudo' it's saying 'Media change: please
insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.7.1 _Jessie_ -
Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20170116-11:01'
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84[00:28:10] <teraflop> locrian9: depending on the media you
used and the installation mode, yes it is possible
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86[00:29:48] <nguyenphi> Can i use this guide to setup wifi on
debian?
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87[00:30:11] <nguyenphi> Or do i need to modify something?
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89[00:30:23] <nguyenphi> This guide work perfectly on arch
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90[00:30:45] <bazhang> what version of debian nguyenphi
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91[00:31:10] <nguyenphi> bazhang: stretch or jessie whatever
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93[00:31:28] <bazhang> nguyenphi, which one
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94[00:31:37] <nguyenphi> bazhang: stretch
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95[00:31:48] <nguyenphi> bazhang: so it different by version?
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98[00:32:52] <bazhang> nguyenphi, different versions have
differing support venues
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102[00:33:20] <nguyenphi> bazhang: i have already tried with
jessie but the system said counldn't found the inteface
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104[00:33:51] <nguyenphi> bazhang: in /var/run i couldnt see the
wpa_supplicant
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105[00:34:05] <nguyenphi> bazhang: only networkmanager
preinstalles
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107[00:34:30] <nguyenphi> bazhang: I want to use i3wm and not DE
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109[00:35:01] <bazhang> nguyenphi, this is debian you are using,
not ubuntu?
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112[00:35:15] <nguyenphi> bazhang: yes debian
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114[00:35:32] <nguyenphi> bazhang: ubuntu just install
everything
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115[00:35:34] <bazhang> !stretch
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116[00:35:35] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8
"Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber
octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9:
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118[00:35:43] <teraflop> nguyenphi: systemd-networkd works in
debian jessie, and you have wpa_supplicant too, idk how reliable is
systemd-resolved in jessie though
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120[00:36:21] <teraflop> nguyenphi: anyway whats wrong with NM?
nmtui works great
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121[00:36:56] <nguyenphi> teraflop: i want sth simpler and, with
terminal
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122[00:37:05] <teraflop> ^
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123[00:37:16] <teraflop> tried nmtui?
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124[00:37:34] <teraflop> it's in Networkmanager
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125[00:37:38] <nguyenphi> teraflop: you mean nmcli?
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126[00:37:40] <teraflop> no
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127[00:37:45] <teraflop> I meant nmtui
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128[00:37:55] <nguyenphi> teraflop: sr i'm noob what is it
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130[00:38:04] <tomcres> TUI = text user interface
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131[00:38:16] <tomcres> curses frontend
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132[00:38:23] <nguyenphi> My bad
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133[00:38:39] <teraflop> nguyenphi: great for tiling thingies
imo
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134[00:38:50] <teraflop> i3wm and things like that
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135[00:38:58] <nguyenphi> I was trying to call the cli inteface
with nmcli in the arch wiki
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136[00:39:10] <nguyenphi> But nothing work
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137[00:39:13] <teraflop> it's nmtui though
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138[00:39:19] <nguyenphi> I thought it is the same in debian
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139[00:39:37] <nguyenphi> teraflop: i will try it
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141[00:41:13] <nguyenphi> Is there a guide to use it? teraflop
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142[00:41:31] <teraflop> nguyenphi: just type nmtui
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144[00:43:03] <nguyenphi> Side question
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147[00:43:14] <nguyenphi> Should i use jessie or stretch?
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148[00:43:18] <dza> how come a postgresql-9.6 package could
depend on packages newer than they are in jessie/stable ?
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150[00:44:13] <teraflop> nguyenphi: up to you, stretch is frozen
and it will become the next stable though
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151[00:45:04] <TomTomTo1> dza: describe what you are doing.
where is that package from? what command did you run? also paste the
output of apt-cache policy postgresql-9.6 to paste.debian.net
please.
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152[00:45:25] <nguyenphi> TomTomTo1: thank you
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154[00:46:07] <TomTomTo1> no, thank you! ^^
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155[00:46:12] <teraflop> hehe
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157[00:46:43] <dza> TomTomTo1: just 'apt-get install
postgresql-9.6' and then 'postgresql-common (>= 171~)
but 165+deb8u2' among others that are clearly newer than what
jessie provides.
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160[00:47:19] <TomTomTo1> dza: because that package is not in
jessie. that's why i asked you for more information.
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161[00:47:35] <dza> TomTomTo1: oh. why does it show in
apt-cache?
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162[00:47:59] <TomTomTo1> i could tell you if you give me the
information i asked for D:
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163[00:48:12] <qmr> why am I getting asked questions about paper
size and assorted bs by installer. o_O that did not happen with last
installation
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164[00:48:15] <teraflop> paste apt-cache policy postgresql-9.6 ^
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168[00:49:00] <dza> TomTomTo1: sry
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169[00:49:26] <TomTomTo1> dza: you need to use -t
jessie-backports when installing from backports.
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174[00:50:07] <dza> TomTomTo1: ah ok. will look into it. sry for
not pasting I had a bad sleep and feel a bit off.
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175[00:50:08] <tomcres> e.g., apt -t jessie-backports install
postgresql
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224[01:09:55] <n-iCe> Hello guys, how do I make in display
settings to use the other monitor in the left and not as a mirror
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225[01:09:58] <n-iCe> since both displays show the same screen
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227[01:11:11] <gry> arandr can do that for you
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230[01:12:04] <n-iCe> I can't with the xfce default
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using xrandr -q and then xrandr --output <SecondaryOutput>
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263[01:30:56] <foul_owl> Hi folks. If I'm doing something
like sudo vim /etc/nginx/sites-available/foo.com.conf, I would
really love to have tab autocompletion, especially typing out
extremely long paths. I can sudo without a password. Any way to
convince my shell to autocomplete once I start off with sudo?
Running zsh. Thanks!
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310[02:01:55] <dTal> printf "%q" $var perhaps?
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312[02:02:32] <dza> dTal: thats exactly what I was looking for
neat sir
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317[02:03:53] <dTal> !next
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318[02:03:53] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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319[02:04:52] <dza> dpkg: no no I'll stay if u don't
mind
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320[02:04:52] <dpkg> dza: are you using Windows?
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328[02:06:34] <dza> dpkg: only if I have to
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329[02:06:34] <dpkg> dza: I give up, what is it?
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330[02:06:54] <dza> dpkg: youre a bot
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331[02:06:54] <dpkg> dza: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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355[02:24:24] <qmr> ... why is the installer asking me about
printer paper ???
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356[02:24:42] <qmr> it did not do this on my previous install. I
have openssh server and 'standard' selected in tasksel
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357[02:25:03] <qmr> it's also asking me about font tuning
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358[02:26:31] <qmr> also a bunch of bs about apt-listchanges
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384[02:49:33] <awal1> qmr, jessie or stretch?
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385[02:49:39] <qmr> awal1: jessie
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386[02:49:47] <qmr> awal1: no I have not selected printer server
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402[02:54:54] <qmr> I'm skipping "standard" on
this install to see if anything changes
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package names. but it also takes functions? keyboard-reconfigure
(not a package), any pointers to where I can learn what other
'functions' it takes?
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413[03:01:07] <Bird|otherbox> so, I'm using Logrotate
3.11.0 from Debian testing to try to rotate a rather annoying log
file that the creating app (NWN's Linux client) brain-damagedly
truncates on startup. It used to seem to work OK, but now whenever I
try to run NWN twice in the same day, I get a "destination
already exists, skipping rotation" error. I'm invoking
logrotate as '/usr/sbin/logrotate -f ./nwn_logrotate.ini -s
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414[03:01:08] <Bird|otherbox> nwn_logrotate.ini looks like
replaced-url
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429[03:08:08] <b0t> Hello, how to setup a external email account
on debian? I create a email account in a hostgator cpanel, and need
use this on my vps
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431[03:09:46] <awal1> qmr, I have no clue. I don't think
that installing system standar utilities will cause your
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440[03:14:07] <b0t> I need reinstall exim4
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442[03:15:49] <b0t> Package exim4 is not available, but is
referred to by another package.
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446[03:17:32] <awal1> apt-get update && apt-get
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447[03:17:37] <awal1> ,v exim4
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448[03:17:38] <judd> Package: exim4 on amd64 -- wheezy:
4.80-7+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.80-7+deb7u4; jessie-security:
4.84.2-2+deb8u2; jessie: 4.84.2-2+deb8u3; jessie-backports:
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462[03:22:27] <b0t> No work, E: Package 'exim4' has no
installation candidate
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486[03:39:00] <HellTiger_NB> this might sound like a simple
question, but i wasnt able to google a terminal ftp client with
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498[03:46:48] <heston> helldorado, lftp
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499[03:46:57] <tw> lftp is the only one I know of, too.
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500[03:47:49] <heston> cURL
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505[03:48:32] <heston> there's a few
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511[03:49:55] <heston> hmm actually cURL doesnt
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512[03:50:51] <EMPixie> wget?
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513[03:51:26] <tw> not for fxp.
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852[04:28:52] <locrian9> Is it a common thing when you install
Debian that the 'sources.list' for apt-get only lists the
local DVD as the source? The only uncommented repo sources in
'sources.list' are 'deb
replaced-url
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853[04:28:59] <locrian9> When I'm trying my 'apt-get
install sudo' it's saying 'Media change: please
insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.7.1 _Jessie_ -
Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20170116-11:01'
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854[04:30:04] <Raineer> that happens on my recent install but I
installed from the DVD set so it made sense
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855[04:30:41] <amb1t10us> !leftturn
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860[04:32:44] <locrian9> Raineer: Yes, I was just wondering.
Since I did downloaded the DVD Disk#1 of the Jessie 8.7.1 iso (via
bittorrent), and installed, I would think that they would have the
default repos set.
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862[04:33:34] <Raineer> it probably is the default set,
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865[04:34:13] <Raineer> there's a lot of the usual packages
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869[04:35:13] <locrian9> Yeah, I was just trying to get the base
config setup, and then start 'apt-get install' on whatever
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873[04:38:20] <locrian9> It's just a little bit strange
that they don't have a 'sources.list' setup with
targets to their software host as default. I'm sure I'll
get yelled at here in a bit.
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878[04:40:53] <locrian9> When you get the install completed, and
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firewall 2.) apt-get update 3.) apt-get install sudo 4.) Then start
the apt-get install 'everything else you need'.
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917[05:12:41] <green-forest> hi hello can someone please tell me
how to delete my keyring file so I no longer have to deal with that
annoying keyring screen I can't fix?
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936[05:31:17] <green-forest> yeah the default keyring
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938[05:31:55] <green-forest> when i first saw it it asked me to
enter in a new 'default' pw and I did now I see it again
and again and it tells me the pw is incorrect
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959[05:48:35] <fnljk> changing nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf
and after reboot its back to what it used to be. any idea how to
make changes persistent? thks
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966[05:52:54] <tsuyubo> change it with chattr
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968[05:53:25] <fnljk> tsuyubo: huh? was that to me? (sry im big
newb to Linux ingenreal btw..)
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969[05:53:34] <somiaj> fnljk: usually the network manager or
tool that configures your network configures them. Configure things
to set them properly with dhcp, or use something like openresolv or
resolvconf to configure them.
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970[05:53:42] <somiaj> so what do you use to configure your
network?
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971[05:54:09] <fnljk> yeah cool, guy in ##linux just gave me a
hint for using chattr... whatever that is, will look more into that
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972[05:54:16] <introom> how to run iproute2-4.9 on wheezy?
I've updated the wheezy kernel to 4.9
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973[05:54:23] <fnljk> uhh, not sure really...quite
basic/standard setup of Debian so far so the default Id think
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974[05:54:33] <tsuyubo> fnljk: yes, but i just heard it
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975[05:54:41] <somiaj> I woudln't use chattr, that is just
a strange way to get around the problem, also please dont'
cross post, annoying to those helping if you are getting it
elsewhere at the same time.
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976[05:55:05] <somiaj> fnljk: cat /etc/network/interfaces do you
have your interface configured there using dhcp, if using dhcp, it
sets the nameservers from the dhcp requests
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978[05:56:48] <tsuyubo> somiaj: I think you are right
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979[05:56:52] <fnljk> yeah, I think "[..] iface eth0 inet
dhcp" , but I was hoping to replicate this config for use on
some dedicated- & vps- servers (rented, managed remotely), which
I presume may differ in that way.. unsure.. (being assigned a static
IP rather).. hmh..
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981[05:58:14] <somiaj> fnljk: so this uses dhclient, you can
configure dhclient to use specific nameservers and not get them from
the dhcp request in /etc/dhclient/ or somethign like that
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982[05:58:29] <somiaj> you'll have to check the manpage on
how to get dhclient to set a set ip and not get the one from the
dhcp server
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983[05:58:49] <fnljk> hm..oh.. k.. will try..! Thanks!
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990[06:02:48] <tsuyubo> I have a question to disturb you also.I
have recompiled two new kerenl -4.10.rc7 and rc8
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991[06:03:28] <tsuyubo> but one can boot, the other fail to boot
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992[06:03:42] <fnljk> while kinda newb to Linux in general...
think it'll be a good idea to install the.. uh, seemingly
helpful programs like "debian-goodies",
"apt-utils", "hardening-wrapper" and such?
Apparently adding some useful additions,and adding to security..
unsure if would over-complicate things somehow for a n00b like me,
though..
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993[06:03:45] <somiaj> and? You are compiling these yourself?
Did you check for differences in the config?
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994[06:04:08] <green-forest> anyone here know about how to
remove the default keyring so it won't be a requirement?
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995[06:04:41] <tsuyubo> somiaj: yes, there are too many
configure...
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996[06:05:19] <tsuyubo> when boot,It shows:
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997[06:05:41] <somiaj> tsuyubo: this isn't the best place
to try to debug issues with compiling your own kernels. And it has
been a while since I have compiled kernels, but check the
differences in their config files and see what you need.
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1000[06:06:42] <tsuyubo> AlTER..,..UUID.. DOES NOT EXIST ..
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1001[06:06:55] <tsuyubo> hm....
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1003[06:07:14] <tsuyubo> I have googled a lot ,
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1004[06:07:29] <somiaj> UUID is the id of a file system, sounds
more like a grub configuation
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1005[06:07:52] <tsuyubo> yeah,so i come to ask here
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1008[06:08:43] <tsuyubo>
replaced-url
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1009[06:09:01] <tsuyubo> Could you look at it?
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1013[06:11:18] <tsuyubo> Maybe i am wrong to do sth, first i
modify grub/grub.cfg copy menuentry
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1015[06:11:51] <tsuyubo> then update-grub
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1016[06:11:59] <somiaj> I dont' think you shoudl be managing
grub.cfg
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1017[06:12:17] <somiaj> it says at the very top of the file, # DO
NOT EDIT THIS FILE, and runging update-grub will overwrite any
changes
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1019[06:12:36] <somiaj> anyways, not sure what the problem is,
but you need to figure out what UUID it is complaing about, and
compare it to the UUID's on your system.
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1021[06:14:14] <tsuyubo> but i can boot it before copy menuentry,
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1022[06:14:42] <tsuyubo> i know to do so is have trouble
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1031[06:23:31] <heston> tsuyubo, your fstab might be broken
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1036[06:25:09] <heston> though if it's just a different
kernel and the same filesystem I suppose that couldnt be the case
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1046[06:33:26] <green-forest> thanks
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1068[06:43:17] <vahe> hi, how to create image on Usb flash uefi ?
cp linux.iso /dev/sdX ?
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1069[06:43:47] <vahe> or dd if=linux.iso of=/dev/sdX
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1121[07:21:27] <mms_> if I have cron job for user and then remove
user from cron.allow will the job still continue to run ? I suppose
it will keep running.
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1125[07:25:05] <somiaj> mms_: from man crontab, it appears that
only allows/restricts use of the setuid command crontab, it
shouldn't affect any existing crontab
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1127[07:25:44] <somiaj> mms_: you can check this by looking in
/var/spool/cron/crontabs/
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1129[07:26:31] <mms_> somiaj: meaning if there is file for user
in that dir it will continue to run ?
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1130[07:26:53] <somiaj> correct, and you can check that it is
there. If you also want to get rid of the jobs, you'll have to
remove the file
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1132[07:27:03] <somiaj> but the user shouldn't be able to
edit that file anymore
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1133[07:27:04] <mms_> somiaj: got it thanks.
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1135[07:28:12] <foul_owl> Hi folks. If I'm doing something
like sudo vim /etc/nginx/sites-available/foo.com.conf, I would
really love to have tab autocompletion, especially typing out
extremely long paths. I can sudo without a password. Any way to
convince my shell to autocomplete once I start off with sudo?
Running zsh. Thanks!
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1137[07:29:36] <somiaj> foul_owl: does your user not have the
ability to read that location, what does ls
/etc/nginx/sites-available give?
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1138[07:30:13] <somiaj> foul_owl: i.e. is this an issue with your
user not being able to read the file system you want to use
tab-completion on?
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1139[07:30:19] <somiaj> (well filetree)
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1160[07:52:01] <SimonFinkel> CIRCUMCISION: THE TORTURE IN HIS
BONES
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1161[07:52:11] <SimonFinkel> Torture and mutilation of another
human being. Utterly appalling treatment of an infant.
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1162[07:52:36] <nkuttler> !ops ^^
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1163[07:52:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler
complains about: ^^
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1164[07:53:05] <SimonFinkel> They're talking vile Hebrew as
they sexually mutilate this innocent infant boy.
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1165[07:53:08] <SimonFinkel> That's fucking sick.
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1187[08:04:29] <heraldii> /amsg The baby is in extreme anguish as
these Hebrew sadists continue fucking up his penis with zero mercy
shown.
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1193[08:08:42] <fnljk> Hi. When I rent VPS/Dedicated servers
online, I'd typically specify simply "OS Selection: Debian
8 (Jessie)", but often the resulting OS, or parts of it anyhow,
comes out different than how it appears if I install a plain Deb8 VM
on my own computer. I wish to make a duplicate of the server as a VM
on my own comp for testing things before doing it on the remote
server,
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1194[08:09:06] <fnljk> is there a somewhat easy way to
"image" the server to get the exact copy of it, or would
that create problems somehow?
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1196[08:09:30] <fnljk> By different I mean, some things seems to
be pre-installed already for example.. I'm not really sure.
Unfortunately I'm a newb to Linux in general too.. :s
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1200[08:10:28] <nkuttler> fnljk: i use config management for
that, but you can also use your own installer images on aws for
example
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1203[08:11:21] <nkuttler> fnljk: i think ansible is the easiest
config management tool around
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1205[08:11:26] <fnljk> oh.. sorry if this is basic; wht do you
mean by "config management"? Assuming not all providers
have the same "OS image" they load on the servers by
default, any way I could.. copy, more or less, the servers
config/setup somehow?
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1206[08:11:42] <fnljk> oh..noto sure what that is, but heard the
name soem times now...! Will check that out some more, thanks!
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1207[08:12:27] <somiaj> fnljk: what is your goal, to have an
exact copy or just the same software locally?
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1211[08:13:41] <fnljk> mmh.. maybe not exact copy, assuming many
configuration errors then possibly.. but the software and such yeah
, would help alot
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1213[08:14:51] <fnljk> I want to be able to try , on my own
computer, have a VM to replicate the actual server where I install,
launch, or play around with different configurations before doing it
on the server (mainly as I'm kinda newb, and afraid to keep
locking myself out (like, blocking remote access..banning myself,
or.. stuff like that, heheh..)
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1219[08:16:48] <fnljk> any way to get a VPS/Dedicated servers
"Debian 8" (which clearly (?) is NOT the standard one
(current .iso) which'd be provided by the official debian.org
site) list of "non-standard" software installed, or
anything like that..? It seems to be implemented some way I
can't easily (being a newb) back-track, I can't view
.bash_history-log and check for "apt-get install .."
records for example (as I'd
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1220[08:16:58] <fnljk> ..if someone had actually manually
installed this softare as such one by one.)
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1221[08:17:37] <Logg> get any server with debian installed, then
change sources.list how you like
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1223[08:18:33] <Logg> If you don't have that amount of
access, it's not your server and you shouldn't pay for it
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1224[08:18:34] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
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1225[08:18:34] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude
(or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search
--disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on
the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install <
package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves
information about "automatically installed" packages that
other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to
backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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1227[08:18:38] <fnljk> oh.. I didn't ensure sources.list is
the same on these things...good idea! .. thought they were; or that
I'd notice if not (from the scrolling text doing "apt-get
update .. " and such), but.. could be that could clarify some
things!
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1229[08:19:06] <somiaj> fnljk: read that or look at apt-clone,
there are various ways to clone a list of packages from one install
to another. Note if your vps uses custom packages this will fail
without access to those custom packages.
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1230[08:19:18] <fnljk> hm, interesting,too... thanks somiaj!
..hmm! Also these things, I think, may seem interesting for other
uses as well, such as some kind of backup, and similar purposes, and
may be good to know
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1231[08:19:26] <fnljk> k..many thanks guys! cool
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1232[08:19:36] <somiaj> fnljk: once you get the same packges you
can copy the config files over. Note this is not the same as getting
an exact image of the vm, which may require contacting your provider
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1233[08:19:38] <locrian9> What's the list of steps one
should 'generally' try to setup on a Debian install?
I'm asking since I encountered a 'gotcha' when
installing Debian Jessie 8.7.1 the other day. Correct me if I'm
wrong, but I was trying to install the simplist base system by doing
the following, and got stuck without the 'sources.list'
being setup. 1.) Downloaded the Debian DVD#1 Jessie torrent file.
2.) Used 'rtorrent' t
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1234[08:19:44] <locrian9> o download and assemble the .iso file.
3.) ran the 'dd' command to copy the image onto a USB
stick. 4.) Installed the base system. 5.) Only chose the 'ssh
server' as my only additional binary 6.) System started up with
a prompt. 7.) logged in as root. 8.) Tried to issue 'apt-get
update', and it tried to look for the DVD instead of going out
to Debian's repo via internet.
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1235[08:20:16] <fnljk> somiaj: k. many thanks-once more,and rest
of ya..I'll try...! :-]
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1236[08:20:48] <Logg> @locrian9 you're good until step 8.
make sure to edit sources.list and get rid of the dvd line it's
useless
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1237[08:21:11] <Logg> make sure sources.list is set up in
general, then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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1238[08:21:58] <Logg> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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1239[08:21:59] <locrian9> Is there a way to get the
'sources.list' to populate with Debian repo servers
automatically during the install, or do you always have to find the
sources.list (somewhere on an external system on the internet) and
copy that list into the 'sources.list' file?
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1240[08:22:08] <somiaj> locrian9: the dvd contents will be added
to your /etc/apt/sources.list
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1241[08:22:22] <Logg> locrian9: I think it's mostly set up,
you just have to get rid of the dvd line
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1242[08:22:30] <Logg> and add contrib non-free if you desire to
be non-free
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1245[08:22:42] <borsin> locrian9: the dvd line is preventing
apt-get from sourcing apt-get from the net
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1246[08:22:57] <somiaj> locrian9: depends, if you have network
and say use the network install it will, but you need network
access. If you don't have network access due to non-free
firmware, you'll have to manually add it
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1247[08:23:51] <locrian9> Hmmm. Appreciate all your help.
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1251[08:25:26] <somiaj> locrian9: note even if you have network
with using the dvd image, it will add it to your sources.list
because it assumes you want to be able to install packages from the
dvd which is needed during the install. If you want to install from
the network, use a netinstaller. There is also a netinstaller with
non-free firmware if needed
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1257[08:28:10] <locrian9> somiaj: Great! That helped me
understand. Keyword 'netinstaller'.
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1261[08:28:24] <somiaj> !firmware images
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1262[08:28:24] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
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1264[08:28:37] <somiaj> locrian9: use that ^^ if you have wifi
that needs non-free firmware.
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1267[08:29:24] <somiaj> locrian9: also might be worth pointing
out, the netinstaller contains a minmial base install that
doens't need the network to use. So you can still install a
very basic system without network.
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1268[08:29:29] <hahaha> someone got deep web links?
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1270[08:29:48] <somiaj> hahaha: debian.org
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1282[08:34:56] <squigz> lol
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1283[08:36:01] <locrian9> somiaj: What's your install steps
in a nutshell? As I explained getting up to Step#8, what else do you
normally do?
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1286[08:37:17] <borsin> locrian9: those steps you laid out are
pretty solid. i personally go from there to a window manager setup
with xorg of course and a few handy tools here and there - this of
course is for a typical desktop use case
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1287[08:37:25] <somiaj> locrian9: depends on what I'm
installing. Really I install so little, usually only once per new
computer. And my current desktop install has gone through many mobos
and processors since I installed in 2008ish
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1298[08:42:11] <darxmurf> anybody can help for a Allied Telesis
switch configuration ?
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1308[08:46:25] <locrian9> somiaj/borsin: Yeah, I was just trying
to get some ideas on what I should normally try to accomplish, so I
don't spend more than one day setting up a new Debian system.
For example on a new system running as an FTP server, I would: 1.)
Get the 'netinstall' Debian Jessie 8.7.1 torrent 2.) Run
'rtorrent' to download and combine the .iso file 3.) run
'dd' to block write the .iso onto a USB. 4.) Install app
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1311[08:46:31] <locrian9> lying network interface IP during
install, and setting up an 'ssh server' onto it. 5.) Once
started on the prompt, verify my 'iptables' allow the ssh
connection from some remote PC so I can work on that Debian unit
from elsewhere on my LAN. Then plug in that Debian unit to a DMZ
side of the firewall (facing WAN). 6.) SSH into the Debian box and
verify 'apt-get update' works (maybe install
'sudo'). 7.)
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1313[08:46:37] <locrian9> Start installing vsftp onto that Debian
box.
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1317[08:48:59] <locrian9> Maybe setup vsftpd as a container in
Docker...
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1561[10:28:12] <Silvering> Hi everyone! I deployed a django app
on my dedicated server running on Debian 8. Websites are running on
this server. I used gunicorn apache and nginx to set everything. My
django app is available with the 8000 port but wtithout -> 403
forbidden access. Here is my error_log :
replaced-url
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1569[10:34:10] <CeBe> Silvering: your webserver tries to find an
index file as you seem to have configured it to do so. that file
does not exist, so a 403 error is generated
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1572[10:35:17] <Silvering> CeBe : Yes, but because it's a
django app I don't have index file.. Nobody seems to understand
the issue in #django or #nginx channel..
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1573[10:35:43] <CeBe> Silvering: why are you using apache AND
nginx?
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1578[10:36:48] <Silvering> CeBe : This is a great question. My
dedicated server seems to use booth. If I cut one everything is
down. I never understood why
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1582[10:37:31] <CeBe> Silvering: you should figure that out first
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1583[10:37:36] <CeBe> it sounds wrong
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1584[10:37:43] <vahe> hi all,
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1585[10:37:48] <squigz> Oh my, that sounds fun
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1586[10:37:54] <squigz> nginx and apache, somehow dependant on
one another
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1590[10:39:06] <CeBe> Silvering: theoretically you can have
apache serve websites on one port/ip and nginx on another, but if
you did not do this on purpose you should find out what is going on
there
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1591[10:40:20] <Silvering> CeBe : hmm ok.
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1630[11:07:47] <debrisrat> hi ! how can i resolve qemu-kvm
installation broken packages
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1632[11:08:10] <debrisrat> hi ! how can i resolve qemu-kvm
installation broken packages ?
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1640[11:11:17] <towo`> debrisRat, you should provide relevant
infos if you want help
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1642[11:12:37] <debrisRat> so i want to install qemu-kvm to my
computer, ( i'm using debian 8 ) but can't install kvm
from terminal
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1644[11:12:56] <debrisRat> towo`,
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1645[11:13:01] <debrisRat> so i want to install qemu-kvm to my
computer, ( i'm using debian 8 ) but can't install kvm
from terminal
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1646[11:13:18] <towo`> "i can't install" is saying
zero
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1647[11:13:37] <debrisRat> towo`, thnks
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1660[11:25:52] <Rembo> hello, i have a folder with multiple .jpeg
large files(10-12 mb each pic), i want to resize them about 5-6 mb
each, i want to use imagemagic command line, can you help me? thanks
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1682[11:39:07] <lowin> Hello. I'm trying to install
virtualbox. I'm running jessie with linux 4.9 installed from
backports repository. problem is that virtualbox-dkms fails to build
the kernel module, build log shows a bunch of errors during the
compilation which I'm guessing is failing because of abi
changes in linux
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1683[11:39:34] <towo`> you have to use vbox from backports too
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1686[11:39:39] <lowin> I installed the latest virtualbox-dkms
from backports, but the problem persists. Am I doing something
wrong?
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1687[11:40:02] <towo`> and you have installed the linux-headers
from backports too?
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1689[11:40:07] <lowin> yep
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1690[11:40:11] <DoberMann> (and kbuild-49 ?)
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1691[11:40:32] <lowin> hmm, I think it was pulled in as a
dependency
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1692[11:40:34] <lowin> not sure
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1693[11:41:06] <towo`> hm, backports has vbox 5.1.8, i don't
think it will compile against 4.9
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1694[11:41:06] <lowin> yep, it's installed
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1695[11:41:26] <towo`> i would purge all vbox distro packages and
use the recent package from oracle
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1696[11:41:59] <lowin> alright. I'll give it a go. thanks
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1711[11:49:10] <DexterF> hi all
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1712[11:51:46] <DexterF> for a debian based portable OS on a USB
disk that boots both EFI and legacy systems, what's a
recommendable approach? install to the USB drive from a regular
installer or something else rather?
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1714[11:52:28] <DexterF> "just install normally" left
me with grub2 not booting on every machine, and reEFInd now only
boots on the EFI machine from which I installed
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1721[12:01:18] <epsilon> what's current best practice to run
a script on boot (jessie)?
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1732[12:07:04] <adriano44> Anyone can help me for Iptables ?
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1756[12:18:31] <is_null> hi all ! I've got some wheezy VMs,
how do you advice to make it auto-retry starting a service on boot ?
until service myserv start; do sleep 10; done in a @reboot cron job
? or rather a minutely cron job that would try to start the service
? what are the gotchas ?
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1761[12:21:37] <Logg> it's built into systemd to do that
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1763[12:21:51] <Logg> I don't know for wheezy
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1811[12:39:12] <grateful> where do the files from a .apt-get
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1813[12:39:32] <grateful> temp dir.
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1817[12:42:31] <bezaban> grateful: /var/cache/apt
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1822[12:45:00] <grateful> thanks i guess apt-get clean worked too
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1823[12:45:09] <grateful> didn't explain my issue tho :)
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1825[12:45:17] <grateful> so thank you for the location
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1828[12:45:25] <petn-randall> is_null: I'd upgrade to
jessie, and use systemd. There it's simply an option to set in
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1829[12:45:25] <grateful> i ran outta space trying to install
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1879[13:16:47] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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1883[13:17:13] <musca> yo BluesKaj
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1886[13:20:22] <BluesKaj> hey musca
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1899[13:33:34] <darxmurf> anybody familiar with Allied Telesis
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1900[13:34:26] <bezaban> darxmurf: likely, but try ##networkign
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1901[13:34:34] <darxmurf> I have a AT-8000GS/48 where ports 1 to
24 are not communicating with 25 to 48 Oo
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1902[13:34:42] <darxmurf> it's like 2 different switches
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1903[13:34:51] <darxmurf> device reseted, factory default and all
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1904[13:34:59] <bezaban> this is a debian support channel :)
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1906[13:35:21] <darxmurf> I know
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1907[13:35:24] <darxmurf> but just in case :-)
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1923[13:45:43] <sobczyk> what is the way to package now, cdbs or
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1925[13:46:20] <SugoiBeans> use packaging tape
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1941[13:50:49] <themill> sobczyk: noone will thank you for using
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1948[13:52:54] <sobczyk> themill: I'm using it right now,
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1957[13:54:36] <themill> real d/rules and real output would help;
#debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be better too
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1959[13:55:01] <adriano44> anyone can help me for my iproute ?
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1961[13:55:16] <petn-randall> !ask
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1962[13:55:17] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1980[14:02:35] <tsuyubo> but it report can't obtain
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laptop and I've just noticed that full disk encryption is too
much overload for it. What's the best approach for encrypt only
the home folder? home and swap on different partitions?
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upgrades, but apparently all from backports
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2046[14:31:24] <nkuttler> donoban: sounds like a plan
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2051[14:32:55] <donoban> better than ecryptfs right?
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2065[14:39:24] <donoban> nkuttler: I'm gonna follow this
replaced-url
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2074[14:42:07] <tw> donoban: for a first time user, just select
Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM, unless you have a
really good reason not to.
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2075[14:42:11] <tw> Like you have other OSes on the disk.
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2077[14:42:31] <tw> Oh.
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2078[14:42:52] <donoban> tw it's a pretty old computer, with
full encryption I get like 20megas write/read
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2079[14:43:02] <donoban> 20m/sec
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2080[14:43:03] <tw> That's pretty normal for that age HDD.
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2081[14:43:16] <donoban> no, the hard disk goes up to
90-100mb's
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2082[14:43:27] <tw> Ah, hmm, what CPU?
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2083[14:43:31] <donoban> uhM
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2084[14:43:40] <baum> which modules do i need to masquerade with
nftables?
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2085[14:44:03] <donoban> Atom n450
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2087[14:44:58] <tw> ugh, intel updated ARK and now I can't
read it efficiently.
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2088[14:45:30] <donoban> i tested it with hdparm, /dev/sda gets a
nice speed while /dev/mapper/xxxx is very slow
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2089[14:45:36] <donoban> and I see some kworker process eating
the CPU
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2091[14:46:21] <tw> I see what you mean, it's old enough
that it doesn't have aes-ni. But also old enough that the guide
you pointed out will work for you because it uses MBR and not GPT
(for EFI)
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2092[14:46:27] <donoban> probably this CPU doesn't have any
crypto capability
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2093[14:46:43] <tw> baum: afaik, nftables has NAT built in.
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2094[14:46:52] <donoban> well I don't have nothing to lose
for try hehe, let's go :)
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2095[14:47:11] <arturo> baum: tw: nft_masq
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2096[14:47:17] <tw> thanks.
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2097[14:48:05] <baum> arturo: in which package is that?
can't find it in backports
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2099[14:48:42] <tw> Which kernel? you need >3.18 for masq,
says nftables wiki
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2100[14:48:56] <arturo> baum: package? that's a kernel
module, you should see it in your kernel config, something like
this: CONFIG_NFT_MASQ=m
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2101[14:49:03] <baum> dang, thanks
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2102[14:49:07] <baum> 3.16 here
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2104[14:49:19] <arturo> baum: are you using debian?
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2105[14:49:28] <baum> yes, jessie
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2106[14:49:30] <tw> there's a 4.x series in backports. That
will fix you up
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2108[14:49:54] <arturo> and nftables 0.6 in jessie backports
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2112[14:50:53] <arturo> I should update it btw :-)
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2113[14:51:04] <baum> tw: 4.x series of what?
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2114[14:51:05] <arturo> there is 0.7 already
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2115[14:51:17] <arturo> baum: kernel 4.x series
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2195[15:35:44] <phi_> any good terminal emulator for debian
except urxvt and gnome? that supprt transparent
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2197[15:36:32] <Logg> I use terminator, I like it.
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2199[15:36:47] <Logg> transparency is a compositor job
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2200[15:36:58] <tomcres> xfce4-terminal is nice. I don't
even think it depends on Xfce :-D
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2201[15:37:20] <phi_> Logg: gnome-terminal does not support
transparent
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2202[15:37:30] <phi_> I use i3wm
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2203[15:37:40] <phi_> and not DE
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2207[15:38:36] <somiaj> or just use xcompmngr and transet, I
think most terminals that support transparency only use root
transparency
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2209[15:38:52] <Zharf> why would you even want transparency in
i3?
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2214[15:39:52] <phi_> Zharf: so at least I can see something
through terminal
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2216[15:40:16] <Zharf> lika what? tiling wm doesn't have
anything meaningful behind the windows :)
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2219[15:40:57] <phi_> Zharf: I can set the background so I want
to see it :v
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2220[15:41:02] <tx> except maybe a wallpaper
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2221[15:41:08] <tx> which is why you have transparency :)
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2222[15:41:16] <phi_> tx: you are right
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2223[15:41:27] <tx> <phi_> Logg: gnome-terminal does not
support transparent
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2224[15:41:29] <tx> sure it does
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2225[15:41:30] <Zharf> psh, wallpapers are useless :)
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2226[15:41:36] <tx> what you need is a _compositor__
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2229[15:41:44] <tx> such as compton
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2230[15:42:12] <tx> that will allow you to have such things as
real transparency
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2232[15:42:20] <tx> (though many programs will provide fake
transparency)
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2233[15:42:32] <phi_> tx: ok, i got it
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2234[15:42:41] <phi_> tx: sth like compton? right
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2235[15:42:47] <jelly> rxvt-unicode has both fake and real
transparency
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2236[15:43:03] <tx> yeah that was one example
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2237[15:43:06] <tx> xcompmgr is another
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2243[15:44:07] <jelly> phi_: I like konsole because it has good
session management if you use its own profiles. Remembers where
windows and tabs were after a restart or crash
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2244[15:44:32] <jelly> coworkers use tmux instead
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2245[15:44:33] <tx> Terminator user here.
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2246[15:44:39] <colo-work> User terminator here.
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2247[15:44:43] <tx> Cool name, and I have all my configs set up
just the way I want
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2248[15:44:50] <tx> so changing is effort even if I wanted to.
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2250[15:45:32] <phi_> cause I was using an tiling wm so I do not
need tiling function in terminator
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2251[15:45:49] <tx> I used terminator even when I was using i3.
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2253[15:45:58] <tx> as I was using i3 gaps
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2254[15:46:12] <tx> and I preferred to have a gap-less terminal
split in half :)
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2255[15:46:36] <phi_> tx: so what is your terminal?
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2256[15:46:43] <tx> terminator
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2260[15:47:52] <phi_> so I think the best is to give
gnome-terminal a try
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2270[15:53:24] <baum> i3-gaps & gap-less termina: well
that's one way to create non-existing problems. :)
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2271[15:53:39] <tx> baum: not really
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2273[15:53:41] * zykotick9 likes using urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode) with
his i3-wm
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2277[15:54:07] <tx> I use KDE Plasma now.
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2278[15:54:16] <tx> Does that mean I am not a ricer / hipster any
more?
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2280[15:54:32] <tomcres> anyone know of a GUI calendar app that
will allow me to either view/edit my Google calendar or an .ics file
on the web and doesn't depend on GNOME or KDE? (and isn't
Thunderbird/Lightning/Icedove/Iceowl)
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2281[15:54:46] <baum> no, makes me wonder why you switched from
i3 to kde
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2282[15:55:13] <tx> I still use it
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2283[15:55:19] <tx> (i3), just not on my laptop
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2285[15:55:42] <baum> and why not on your laptop? imo that's
i3 shines
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2286[15:55:52] <tx> I used it for many, many years
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2287[15:55:53] <BlackFlagPin> cause your laptop is an i7?
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2290[15:56:25] <tx> At the end of every year I try a few WMs /
DEs to see what is going on
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2291[15:56:34] <tx> kind of like a review, I always go back to
i3.
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2293[15:56:57] <johnkeates> i always use bare TTY's or Gnome
3
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2294[15:56:58] <tx> This year I felt that KDE was ready enough
for me to use full-time, and I was kinda getting old of having so
many different applications in different UI toolkits
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2295[15:57:00] <tx> all over the place.
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2296[15:57:04] <baum> anyways, why? did you have issues with i3?
wanted the looks of kde? or just felt like change?
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2297[15:57:06] <johnkeates> sometimes I use a teleprinter and a
fax
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2298[15:57:30] <johnkeates> sometimes, with exotic days, the DEC
VT100 comes out
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2299[15:57:31] <tx> I just wanted something a little more
cohesive, integrated
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2300[15:57:43] <tx> something that just "works" a
little better in terms of convenience
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2301[15:58:02] <baum> i see, thanks :)
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2302[15:58:06] <tx> That's not to say I don't love
doing everything myself, I wrote my own lock-screen tool because I
didn't find one that I liked :)
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2303[15:58:16] <tx> but my laptop is serious business, at least
this year.
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2305[15:58:22] <baum> i3-lock :P
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2306[15:58:32] <tx> I modified physlock to show ANSI art :)
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2307[15:58:39] <tx> that's what I use on my i3 build.
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2314[16:02:03] <baum> going with nftables takes more time than
expected....=/
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2322[16:08:45] <TRS-80> Greetings all, I seem to be getting a QT
error when opening heimdall-frontend: "Qt: Session management
error: None of the authentication protocols specified are
supported"
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2323[16:09:17] <tx> heimdall requires root
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2324[16:09:23] <tx> prefix the command with sudo
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2325[16:09:45] <TRS-80> I did it from su # prompt
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2327[16:09:57] <babilen> Try gksu(do)
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2329[16:10:31] <tx> if that doesn't work (gksu), check the
value of the SESSION_MANAGER env
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2330[16:10:48] <TRS-80> babilen sorry for newb question but I
type what you said instead of sudo and then the rest of the command?
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2332[16:11:13] <TRS-80> or type gksu heimdall-frontend ? right
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2334[16:11:34] <tx> yeah
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2342[16:13:41] <TRS-80> ok I had to install gksu, it still
opened, still got same error, but now additional more detailed
errors "Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon"
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2346[16:14:10] <tx> what does "echo $SESSION_MANAGER"
return?
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2348[16:14:17] <hybridark> Hi guys
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2351[16:14:35] <hybridark> is there a way for me to load the
overlay driver using Debian Jessie or only if I update the kernel?
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2352[16:14:47] <TRS-80>
local/dell:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/947,unix/dell:/tmp/.ICE-unix/947
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2353[16:15:03] <babilen> TRS-80: Did you run that in a normal
session?
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2354[16:15:11] <hybridark> are the one from backports stable
enough for a server?
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2356[16:15:19] <hybridark> the ones*
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2357[16:15:44] <babilen> hybridark: Which package are you
referring to?
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2358[16:16:01] <tx> babilen: the overlay kernel module
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2360[16:16:09] <hybridark> yes
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2361[16:16:11] <tx> available since 3.18
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2362[16:16:15] <hybridark> exactly
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2364[16:16:17] <TRS-80> what's a normal session? I ran it as
su in MATE Terminal
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2365[16:16:19] <hybridark> jessie comes with 3.16
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2366[16:16:21] <tx> if backports has a 3.18 kernel
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2367[16:16:25] <tx> that might work?
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2368[16:16:26] <babilen> hybridark: Backported kernels are
absolutely fine
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2370[16:16:46] <hybridark> I add it to sources.list and then it
has only 4.8 and 4.9
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2372[16:16:54] <hybridark> are they stable enough for a server in
production?
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2373[16:16:59] <babilen> "module" would have got me
there :)
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2374[16:17:03] <tw> Those are both fine. I haven't had any
issue with them.
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2375[16:17:05] <tx> :)
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2378[16:18:14] <hybridark> so you would recommend backports for a
server in production
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2381[16:18:35] <babilen> hybridark: It's perfectly fine to
run backported kernels in production
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2382[16:18:41] <hybridark> ok, thanks
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2383[16:18:42] <babilen> There is no inherent need to do so
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2384[16:18:47] <babilen> It's also fine to not run them
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2385[16:18:55] <hybridark> I just need the overlay module
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2386[16:19:10] <babilen> I guess that means that you want a
backported kernel
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2387[16:19:19] <hybridark> or just one after 3.18
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2388[16:20:04] <jim> hybridark, what are you going to use overlay
for?
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2389[16:20:32] <jim> (maybe there's another sol'n)
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2390[16:21:01] <hybridark> docker, as I've read it's
better than aufs
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2392[16:21:58] <baum> aufs doesn't work with the new kernel
anymore - thus you've to go with overlay/alternatives
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2393[16:22:08] * baum is currently fixing docker after his kernel
upgrade
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2394[16:22:10] <tx> it is substantially better
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2395[16:22:21] <tx> (overlay and overlay2)
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2397[16:23:08] <jim> hybridark, so, docker requires this
functionality?
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2398[16:23:28] <baum> jim: yes
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2400[16:23:32] <jim> I'm still not even sure what we're
talking about
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2403[16:23:53] <hybridark> jim: I'm asking if the kernels
from backports are stable enough to be used in production
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2404[16:23:57] <tx> jim: it does not
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2405[16:24:06] <tx> overlay is just the fastest available storage
driver
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2407[16:24:09] <hybridark> because jessie comes with 3.16, which
does not support overlay, which I need for docker
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2408[16:24:21] <baum> tx well yes it doesn't
"require" it
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2409[16:24:37] <baum> erm jim
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2410[16:24:41] <colo-work> hybridark, for us they are
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2411[16:24:44] <jim> what does it require in this area?
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2412[16:24:59] <baum> it defaults to aufs
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2413[16:25:00] <tx> nothing that doesn't exist in the
current stable kernel
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2416[16:25:23] <tx> yes, but if that is not available it can also
use others like devicemapper, vfs, zfs etc.
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2417[16:25:38] <hybridark> but overlay is the most optimized one,
it seems
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2418[16:25:42] <tx> indeed
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2420[16:26:15] <jim> ok... so it seems there are a few choices...
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2421[16:26:18] <tx> yes
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2422[16:26:32] <jim> hybridark, are you using docker now?
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2425[16:28:27] <jim> for one thing, if you were to upgrade your
kernel, you'd have to reboot
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2427[16:29:08] <hybridark> jim: yes, but then I need to upgrade
the kernel first so it runs with overlay
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2428[16:29:11] <tx> what a catastrophe :P
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2429[16:29:22] <TRS-80> any other ideas? I am just paranoid to
flash now after seeing an error. First time using Heimdall.
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2430[16:29:23] <hybridark> no problem to reboot :D
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2433[16:29:53] <tx> TRS-80: try un-setting SESSION_MANAGER
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2434[16:29:57] <tx> in that particular terminal session
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2435[16:30:10] <hybridark> I just wanted to be sure backport
kernels were stable enough. I'll trust you guys then
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2438[16:30:42] <jim> I'm just gonna be on the conservative
side... all these folks are saying it's perfectly safe to
upgrade the kernel... and I'm not saying it's not, but you
say this is a production server, can't you just use a different
machine to run docker?
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2441[16:31:05] <jim> (why mess with a production server if it
turns out you don't have to)
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2443[16:31:33] <hybridark> I'm preparing it for production
now, so no problem in rebooting or messing with it now
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2447[16:31:51] <tx> I'd hope you would have no trouble
rebooting a production server anyway
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2448[16:31:52] <jim> oh, so it's not in production yet?
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2450[16:32:00] <tx> after all, kernel updates for security are
important :P
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2451[16:32:17] <jim> that is true
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2454[16:33:09] <TRS-80> tx sorry DDG is not telling me how to do
that :/
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2455[16:33:28] <hybridark> and this server will have a
nginx+passenger docker container
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2456[16:33:34] <hybridark> for node.js
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2457[16:33:40] <TRS-80> bit of a GNU/Linux noob, but trying :)
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2458[16:33:43] <jelly> tx: security updates for kernel, too
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2459[16:33:44] <tx> "unset SESSION_MANAGER"
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2460[16:33:47] <baum> hybridark: here, just saved you an hour:
replaced-url
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2461[16:33:48] <jim> so the current situation with the machine in
question, is you're building it up to run in production, but
it's not in production yet,,, is this accurate?
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2462[16:33:51] <TRS-80> tx thx
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2463[16:34:11] <tx> jelly: that's what I sa- oh
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2464[16:34:18] <tx> well that's what I meant. :P
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2465[16:34:26] <jim> hybridark ^^
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2466[16:34:40] <hybridark> baum: thanks, but it already uses
aufs. What I want is overlay, but in kernel 3.16 when I modprobe
overlay, it doesn't exist :)
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2467[16:34:50] <hybridark> jim: yes
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2468[16:34:53] <baum> hybridark: checkout the link - not just the
url
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2469[16:35:01] <baum> hybridark: s/link/content
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2470[16:35:15] <TRS-80> tx Aha! "heimdall-frontend"
worked that time, no errors, and didn't even require gksu!
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2471[16:35:22] <jim> that should be ok
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2472[16:35:44] <hybridark> baum: so in the page, the answer tells
to use --storage-driver=overlay inside the service. That's
exactly what I do, after the kernel is updated :D
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2473[16:35:50] <tx> TRS-80: nice!
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2474[16:35:54] <tx> as loon as you run it as root
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2475[16:36:00] <hybridark> otherwise it doesnt exist
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2476[16:36:05] <TRS-80> Is this something I should report
somewhere? Or just not bother?
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2477[16:36:07] <tx> heimdall will need root to do its thing with
the device
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2479[16:36:24] <tx> TRS-80: nah, it's just some qt library
incompatibilities
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2480[16:36:30] <tx> check the issue tracker for heimdall if you
want though
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2482[16:36:48] <baum> hybridark: nice, before that link i
specified the option in /etc/default/docker (which doesn't
work)
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2484[16:37:06] <baum> (probably since it's an auto-setup by
docker-machine)
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2485[16:37:07] <ToHellWithGA> is there a location in /etc or
similar that controls the reported usable size of /tmp when it is
just a part of the / partition?
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2486[16:37:14] * baum atleast hopes so
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2487[16:37:14] <TRS-80> tx Thanks so much for your help!
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2488[16:37:19] <tx> no worries
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2490[16:37:36] <tx> baum: I think that file was used in sysvinit
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2491[16:37:46] <tx> now docker reads exclusively from systemd
service config files
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2495[16:38:22] <hybridark> yes, I have a systemd service file to
start the containers on boot
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2496[16:38:33] <hybridark> passing the overlay option
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2498[16:38:36] <baum> tx: oh, alright thanks
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2499[16:39:13] <jim> hybridark, do you folks do anything on
machines coming into production to do acceptability testing?
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2501[16:39:21] <baum> tx: by chance you set up docker with
nftables?
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2503[16:39:40] <hybridark> but then when docker-engine gets
updated via apt, the service file loses the --storage-driver=overlay
option, so I have to configure again
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2504[16:39:47] <tx> we use docker with rancher here
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2506[16:39:50] <tx> ( rancher.io )
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2509[16:40:09] <tx> er
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2510[16:40:10] <tx>
replaced-url
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2511[16:40:23] <tx> networking is managed / orchestrated
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2512[16:40:30] <jim> hybridark, is that true? when you upgrade,
it changes your configuration?
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2514[16:40:34] <baum> ah, nice
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2516[16:40:47] <johnkeates> eek, containers
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2517[16:40:51] <johnkeates> quick, call the hipsterpolice
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2519[16:40:58] <hybridark> @jim I set
somaxconn="net.core.somaxconn=65535"
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2520[16:41:15] <hybridark> jim: and
overcommit="vm.overcommit_memory = 1"
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2521[16:41:16] <tx> johnkeates: nah, it's mainstream enough
now
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2524[16:41:43] <hybridark> jim: also echo "never" >
/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled && echo
"never" > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag
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2525[16:41:49] <baum> wanted to go with rancher/kubernets too -
in the end i decided to go back to docker-machine & compose (out
of day-to-day comfort & to save a few bucks)
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2528[16:42:02] <tx> save a few bucks?
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2530[16:42:12] <tx> we still use good ol docker-compose files
with rancher for automation :)
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2531[16:42:20] <hybridark> baum: using docker-compose here too
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2533[16:42:26] <tx> we just tack on a rancher-compose.yml file
for extra goodies like load balancing
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2535[16:42:35] <hybridark> rancher.io didn't load here
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2536[16:42:42] <tx> yeah sorry, I meant rancher.com
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2537[16:42:45] <hybridark> ok
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2538[16:43:05] <tx> baum: rancher lets you choose one of
kubernetes, mesos or cattle (their own flavour)
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2539[16:43:17] <tx> I think swam is an option too
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2540[16:43:19] <tx> swarm*
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2541[16:43:43] <baum> tx: i'm running it on a vps (max size
will be about 10 services) the more i use, the bigger the server has
to be =/
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2542[16:43:57] <tx> before rancher we used dokku
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2544[16:44:03] <tx> that's a super convenient paas :P
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2546[16:44:14] <baum> tx: it's only a small private cluster
for home-use & friends
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2548[16:44:36] <johnkeates> why use containers if you can use
heroku, or, if you want to do ops, why do containers if you're
doing proper ops anyway
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2549[16:44:40] <tx> yeah, dokku is a much better choice for
something lke that
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2550[16:44:49] <tx> johnkeates: I use them for all sorts of
things.
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2551[16:45:04] <tx> I need to try out some code in alpine or
centos?
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2552[16:45:11] <tx> just pull the base images and run it in a
docker container
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2553[16:45:13] <johnkeates> i use flamingoes for all sorts of
things
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2554[16:45:20] <johnkeates> why use docker if you can use vagrant
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2555[16:45:21] <johnkeates> :p
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2556[16:45:27] <johnkeates> a real vm
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2557[16:45:29] <tx> because that requires downloading an entire
VM image.
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2559[16:45:34] <tx> screw that
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2560[16:45:35] <johnkeates> well, so does a docker image
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2561[16:45:43] <tx> let's see how big alpine is..
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2562[16:45:52] <baum> tx: do you replicate persisent images too?
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2563[16:45:54] <johnkeates> if you really want to test it, you
need a kernel too
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2564[16:46:06] <tx> fortunately it's not that low level
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2565[16:46:12] <tx> also, 1MB
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2566[16:46:13] <johnkeates> have you tried mips code in a docker?
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2567[16:46:14] <tx> (alpine)
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2568[16:46:19] <johnkeates> or arm
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2570[16:46:26] <tx> This is work work, I work exclusively with
x86_64.
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2571[16:46:27] <johnkeates> :p
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2572[16:46:38] <tx> I don't need to deal with ARM unless I
am doing android stuff. :P
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2573[16:46:50] <tx> (which precludes docker)
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2576[16:47:35] <tx> baum: sure
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2578[16:47:47] <baum> tx: which storage backend are you using?
gluster?
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2579[16:47:53] <phi_> I always get this warning message every
boot up
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2581[16:47:54] <tx> on rancher?
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2583[16:48:06] <phi_> failed to connect lvmetad falling back to
scanning...
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2585[16:48:13] <phi_> is there anyway to fix it?
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2586[16:48:20] <baum> yes
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2588[16:49:00] <tx> a mix of that and NFS
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2589[16:49:34] <baum> how is the overhead (compared to local
storage)
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2592[16:50:45] <tx> It's used sparingly so I only have some
fairly light use stats :p
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2593[16:50:58] <tx> but pretty good if contained within the same
local network! :p
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2594[16:51:06] <phi_> anyone help....
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2595[16:51:47] <baum> nice
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2596[16:51:59] * baum needs a dedicated server
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2597[16:52:04] <baum> s/needs/wants
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2599[16:53:02] <johnkeates> they are cheap
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2600[16:53:10] <johnkeates> i have one with a real hypervisor and
real vms
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2601[16:53:24] <johnkeates> all running debian except the
firewall and the FreeIPA server
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2602[16:53:38] <petn-randall> phi_: That error is purely
cosmetic.
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2603[16:53:44] <johnkeates> of course, having your own is nice
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2604[16:53:46] <petn-randall> phi_: There's nothing that
needs to be fixed.
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2608[16:54:03] <johnkeates> we all know how to play with the
client/boss/manager's servers, but having your own..
that's just sweet
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2609[16:54:16] <phi_> petn-randall: so I dont need to do
anything?
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2611[16:54:36] <petn-randall> phi_: lvmetad is a daemon that
caches LVM meta-data when you have a huge server with hundreds of
PVs. And that is a warning so anyone who thinks they have it
configured, now it's not being used.
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2612[16:54:43] <baum> johnkeates: not cheap enoth for poor
students...:)
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2613[16:54:47] <tx> lol
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2614[16:54:49] <petn-randall> s/now/know/
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2615[16:54:51] <tx> "real hypervisor and real VMs"
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2616[16:54:54] <tx> implying what
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2617[16:54:59] <phi_> petn-randall: can i turn it off?
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2618[16:55:14] <petn-randall> phi_: No, and as I said, it's
purely informational.
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2621[16:55:25] <johnkeates> tx: implying xen, not kvm,
containers, vmware, hyperv or they other toy software :p
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2622[16:55:40] <phi_> petn-randall: I'm feeling regret for
using lvm on my pc now
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2623[16:55:45] <phi_> :(
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2624[16:55:46] <tx> Docker is just a layer on top of VMs.
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2625[16:55:47] <petn-randall> phi_: Why?
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2626[16:55:51] <johnkeates> i switched to ZFS
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2627[16:55:53] <tx> We run XenServer here (oh no, Citrix!)
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2628[16:55:57] <johnkeates> from LVM+MDADM
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2629[16:55:58] <phi_> petn-randall: it is not neccessary
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2630[16:55:59] <tx> then Debian/Ubuntu, and then docker on top of
that.
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2631[16:56:08] <johnkeates> i don't use citrix's
version for my own systems
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2632[16:56:12] <petn-randall> phi_: I think it's the best
thing since sliced bread.
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2633[16:56:18] <phi_> petn-randall: sometime lvm make it more
difficult in some situation
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2634[16:56:27] <johnkeates> but on the business sides (clients
and also bosses) there is Citrix, but also VMware and windows :(
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2635[16:56:37] <johnkeates> i had one that used KVM, which is
nice enough
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2637[16:56:49] <petn-randall> phi_: But it also allows you to
enlarge partitions on the spot, and allows you to take snapshots.
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2638[16:56:50] <johnkeates> but for some reason, Xen just feels
good, runs good, and does everything just right
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2639[16:57:11] <tx> yep, no troubles with xen
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2640[16:57:29] <phi_> petn-randall: ok I have to accpeted the
inperfect world
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2641[16:57:31] <johnkeates> it's like the magical software
that sits between the evil E-Corp and puny home gamer stuff :p
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2642[16:57:47] <johnkeates> then again, it's a real beast
and does heavy loads just fine
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2643[16:57:55] <phi_> petn-randall: I choose debian cause I can
install it on lvm
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2644[16:58:14] <phi_> petn-randall: since manjaro can't
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2645[16:58:15] <johnkeates> but then again, i'd be happy
with anything that's not vmware or windows or oracle
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2694[17:20:33] <seoner> hi how can i see if my bluetooth is
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2774[17:47:51] <seoner> jhutchins_wk: rfkill list, no output.
What does the command actually do?
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2779[17:48:58] <jhutchins_wk> Usually lists RF interfaces like
wifi and bluetooth.
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2781[17:49:07] <Guest10223> How to make something bootable
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2784[17:50:23] <jhutchins_wk> Guest10223: Please be specific
about what you're trying to do.
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2786[17:50:34] <seoner> jhutchins_wk: Why did it give me no
output?
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2787[17:50:52] <Guest10223> jhutchins_wk: I want to understand
what's special in bootable device
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2788[17:50:58] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: Probably because it
doesn't see any wifi/bluetooth hardware. Did you run it as
root?
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2789[17:51:30] <seoner> jhutchins_wk: Yes.
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2790[17:51:35] <jhutchins_wk> Guest10223: Depends on the device.
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2806[17:54:56] <Guest10223> jhutchins_wk: I want to make either
CD or DVD or usb or hard disk as bootable
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2807[17:55:24] <msgctl> hey #debian, I can't gpgsign my git
commits on testing, I'm trying to debug it with GIT_TRACE
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2809[17:55:44] <Guest10223> Is it different for each device?
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2810[17:55:52] <Guest10223> How
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2812[17:56:21] <mtn> Guest10223, put a bootloader on it. it will
boot, most likely ;)
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2815[17:57:07] <msgctl> …any takers?
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2818[17:58:09] <Guest10223> mtn: bootloader; which one?
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2821[17:58:30] <Guest10223> Where to install bootloader; any
specific location?
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2822[17:58:37] <mtn> Guest10223, any one you want to use. you can
research bootloaders using a search engine
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2825[17:59:32] <Guest10223> mtn: multiple bootloaders can be
installed?
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2826[17:59:35] <Guest10223> Is it helpful
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2828[18:00:01] <mtn> Guest10223, why not go do some research?
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2836[18:01:12] <Guest10223> mtn: I can't understand much by
own
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2837[18:01:42] <mtn> Guest10223, this is not a general computer
training channel. do you have a debian support question?
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2844[18:05:59] <n-iCe> hi
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2847[18:06:30] <mefistofeles> n-iCe: hey
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2848[18:06:31] <mefistofeles> xD
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2849[18:06:51] <n-iCe> :D
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2872[18:21:12] <n-iCe> bluetooth does not come installed with
xfce, right?
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2874[18:21:29] <n-iCe> or am I blind? can't find it in the
menus
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2877[18:22:15] <tomcres> no, you need to install blueman
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2879[18:23:05] <n-iCe> just blueman?
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2880[18:23:23] <tomcres> also bluetooth if you haven't
already (bluetooth support for the system)
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2883[18:24:50] <tomcres> "bluetooth" will pull in the
blueZ stack and "blueman" will give you the Bluetooth
preferences app in Xfce
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2884[18:24:51] <WeiJunLi> help on this error while compiling
kernel, it says to do 'make mrproper' but that command
cleans everything including delete the debian/rules which is needed
for compilation, hints?
replaced-url
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2885[18:24:52] <n-iCe> thanks, let me reboot
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2890[18:26:12] <n-iCe> done
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2893[18:26:52] <n-iCe> I did pair, but when I click connect, says
Connection Failed: No such file or directory, and I don't hear
my device sound when a device is connected
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2898[18:28:13] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: Where did you get the
source from?
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2899[18:28:23] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: apt-get source linux
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2905[18:29:55] <tomcres> n-iCe, is this an audio device by any
chance?
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2906[18:30:03] <n-iCe> tomcres: yes sir, a bluetooth speaker :D
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2907[18:30:18] <tomcres> ahhhhh... you probably need
pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
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2908[18:30:20] <n-iCe> it appears like a headset thought, in the
blueman icon
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2909[18:30:39] <n-iCe> tomcres: I installed it, should I reboot?
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2911[18:31:03] <tomcres> you could probably just systemctl
restart bluetoothd
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2913[18:31:25] <n-iCe> Failed to restart bluetoothd.service: Unit
bluetoothd.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
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2914[18:31:40] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: must not follow that
instruction 'make mrproper' right
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2915[18:31:46] <tomcres> OK, reboot then.
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2918[18:33:09] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: If you download the
Debian sources, the standard tools to compile a packages are
'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b', which will drop a binary
.deb package out at the end.
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2920[18:33:26] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: If you use the upstream
source, a 'make deb-pkg' will give you a binary .deb.
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2921[18:33:30] <n-iCe> Done
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2922[18:33:32] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall:
replaced-url
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2923[18:33:35] <WeiJunLi> im following this
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2924[18:33:35] <n-iCe> tomcres: Connection Failed: Resource
temporarily unavailable
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2925[18:33:42] <n-iCe> but I heard the connection sound
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2926[18:33:59] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: Why are you building your
own kernel, btw?
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2928[18:34:10] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: need debug features such
as kasan etc.
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2929[18:34:29] <n-iCe> tomcres: it is connected now, I think, no
errors, speaker looks like connected, but no sound
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2930[18:34:29] <tomcres> argghh.. 🤦♂️ OK. I think
we're getting somewhere, though.
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2932[18:34:39] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: I see. Using the commands
I recomended should work then.
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2933[18:36:18] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: what they do exactly
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2934[18:36:29] <WeiJunLi> im running the first one now, inside
the source tree
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2935[18:36:37] <tomcres> n-iCe, if you dmesg | grep -i firmware,
do you see anything about missing bluetooth firmware?
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2936[18:36:43] <WeiJunLi> no errors till now.. Let's see.
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2938[18:37:00] <n-iCe> tomcres: yes
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2939[18:37:08] <n-iCe> [ 2.364089] bluetooth hci0: firmware:
failed to load brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e6.hcd (-2)
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2940[18:37:15] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: the first cmd creates a
.deb file which is basically the compiled kernel and then the second
cmd is to install?
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2941[18:37:17] <n-iCe> [ 2.364095] bluetooth hci0: Direct
firmware load failed with error -2
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2942[18:37:42] <tomcres> n-iCe, OK. Perfect. You have the same
bluetooth chipset I do. :-) Let me get you the web site to download
the firmware. One sec.
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2944[18:38:19] <n-iCe> tomcres: aaaaaaaawesoooooome
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2947[18:39:31] <tomcres> Follow the instructions for "Newer
kernels (3.16 or newer)":
replaced-url
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2951[18:40:41] <n-iCe> rebooting
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2953[18:40:52] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: around/
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2963[18:45:04] <n-iCe> think I did all tomcres but still missing
the firmware
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2965[18:45:17] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: after make deb-pkg do I
need to run sudo dpkg -i linux-version.deb right
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2966[18:45:18] <n-iCe> wget
replaced-url
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2967[18:45:22] <n-iCe> sudo mkdir /lib/firmware/brcm
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2968[18:45:41] <n-iCe> mv fw-0a5c_21e8.hcd
/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e8.hcd, cp
/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e8.hcd
/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e8.hcd and rebooted
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2969[18:46:21] <tomcres> what does dmesg | grep -i firmware say?
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2970[18:46:43] <WeiJunLi> petn-randall: well the first command
just outputed the first error I have pastebin
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2971[18:46:51] <n-iCe> [ 2.640874] bluetooth hci0: Direct
firmware load failed with error -2
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2975[18:48:35] <tomcres> n-iCe, shoot. that's all? you
don't get the "failed to load…" message?
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2980[18:49:58] <n-iCe> [ 2.640869] bluetooth hci0: firmware:
failed to load brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e6.hcd (-2)
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2981[18:50:10] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: It's better if you
understand what the command does before running it. Luckily they all
come with man pages.
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2984[18:50:41] <petn-randall> WeiJunLi: 'make deb-pkg'
will only give you kernel package if you downloaded the source from
upstream, as I said.
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2991[18:52:57] <tomcres> oh. it's e6 at the end, not e8. Can
you rename the file to have e6.hcd at the end instead of e8.hcd? I
just Googled this. It should work.
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2995[18:53:40] <n-iCe> cp
/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e8.hcd
/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd
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2996[18:53:43] <n-iCe> like that?
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2998[18:54:18] <n-iCe> I have these 3 in that folder
BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e8.hcd BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd
BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e8.hcd
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3001[18:54:24] <tomcres> yes, and also BCM20702A0-0a5c-21e6.hcd
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3007[18:55:10] <n-iCe> tomcres: ok
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3008[18:55:11] <n-iCe> rebooting
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3021[18:56:58] <n-iCe> no errors now!!
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3032[19:00:26] <n-iCe> tomcres: but audio still is being played
in the laptop, not in the speakers
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3033[19:00:27] <n-iCe> haha
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3036[19:01:17] <jhutchins_wk> tomcres: So this isn't in
firmware-nonfree?
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3038[19:01:21] <tomcres> n-iCe, you may have to switch your audio
output in pulseaudio.
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3039[19:01:28] <tomcres> jhutchins_wk, no. unfortunately.
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3041[19:01:41] <jhutchins_wk> tomcres: You could file a bugreport
and request it.
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3042[19:01:48] <jhutchins_wk> tomcres: Or see if one already
exists.
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3044[19:02:15] <WeiJunLi>
replaced-url
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3052[19:04:22] <tomcres> jhutchins_wk, yes, I will do that
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3080[19:15:07] <Shishire> I'm trying to use apt-ftparchive
to create a repo. If I'm not using FileList in a tree section
to define which packages belong to a dist/release/component, where
is the canonical location for said tree? The binary packages are all
in /pool/component, but that doesn't separate for release/dist.
Basically, how is debian doing it?
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3108[19:22:51] <WeiJunLi>
replaced-url
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3109[19:23:19] <jhutchins_wk> WeiJunLi: No need to repeat.
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3124[19:28:47] <fred1807> how do I add this to fstab? mount -t
overlay -olowerdir=/home/read2:/home/read2 overlay /home/sum
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3125[19:28:57] <fred1807> mount -t overlay
-olowerdir=/home/read1:/home/read2 overlay /home/sum
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3142[19:41:13] <jelly> fred1807: so you have "mount -t
fstype -ooptions devicenode mountpoint", it ought to be pretty
clear which columns in fstab corresponds to parts of that command
line
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3143[19:41:17] <Katana_Steel> fred1807: overlay /home/sum overlay
lowerdir=/home/read2:/home/read2,noauto 0 0
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3147[19:41:39] <fred1807> nice
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3151[19:43:18] <Katana_Steel> fstab syntax is
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3152[19:43:18] <Katana_Steel> device mount_point fs options
dump_freq fs_order
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3161[19:48:18] <n-iCe> tomcres: sorry, I'm back
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3162[19:48:22] <n-iCe> change the audio in pulse audio
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3167[19:50:14] <tomcres> n-iCe, OK. You can install pavucontrol.
That will allow you to select your pulseaudio output.
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3168[19:50:36] <n-iCe> tomcres: done
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3174[19:53:07] <n-iCe> tomcres: it works like a charm
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3175[19:53:09] <n-iCe> you are the man
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3176[19:53:12] <n-iCe> thank you tomcres
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3180[19:54:03] <tomcres> n-iCe, yay
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3181[19:54:05] <mrdside> hi, can anybody help with JWM?
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3184[19:57:45] <somiaj> mrdside: just ask your question, we
don't know we can help or not without knowing th eissue
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3188[19:59:48] <mrdside> somiaj: ok. how can i switch keyboard
language?
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3197[20:01:22] <mrdside> and can i switch locale, switching
locale in lightDM doesn't work both for windows and keyboard
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3200[20:01:40] <somiaj> mrdside: this is independent of the wm,
and can be done via cli tools. though I would have to look up the
command to change keyboard layouts in X
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3229[20:07:54] <hoobaman> is ovs startup in network/interfaces in
stretch broken?
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3233[20:08:38] <kaff33> Hello, i have debian jessie with the kde
enviroment. And since beginning it won't save the wifi
passwords... Has anybody help?
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3235[20:09:13] <n-iCe> [ 2.588986] bluetooth hci0: firmware:
failed to load brcm/BCM920702 Bluetooth 4.0-0a5c-21e6.hcd (-2)
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3237[20:09:27] <hoobaman> waiting for 5 min timeout (in systemd
unit) and than network is up but systemd reports failed state (seems
like a sysv vs systemd redirect loop)
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3238[20:09:44] <mrdside> somiaj: i'm trying JWM
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3239[20:10:05] <mrdside> i have Gnome Shell and everything works
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3246[20:12:01] <somiaj> mrdside: you can just use setxkbmap to
change the keyboard layout from a terminal. Might be able to write a
script/button for JWM to do this if needed but I don't know
JWM.
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3267[20:22:19] <tomcres> n-iCe, OK no worries. Just copy the
firmware file you already have to that name ("BCM920702
Bluetooth 4.0-0a5c-21e6.hcd"). For some reason this happens to
me, too. The kernel sometimes decides it wants it under that name.
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3290[20:31:27] <tw> How hard would it be to use the cryptsetup
password prompt to select the root partition of an FDE booting
install?
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3296[20:32:50] <tw> Purely theoretical scenario, DHS forces you
to unlock your laptop with FDE, you provide a password that goes
into an innocuous-but-used install.
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3297[20:33:46] <tw> as opposed to the one that has your ssh keys,
dirty vacation photos, and other private information.
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3313[20:43:01] <jelly> tw: you'd need some custom initramfs
code instead/in addition to the normal cryptsetup stuff
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3323[20:46:21] <tw> Can you redirect the root partition though,
or would you just set the root partition to a /dev/mapper/luksroot
and then cryptsetup luksOpen <switchable partition> luksroot
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3326[20:47:12] <doubledutch> tw: From what I understand (anybody
please correct me if I'm wrong) the root partition is inside
the encrypted partition LVM style
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3337[20:49:40] <tw> doubledutch: that's my understanding
too. As long as you're not using UUID=, it should be okay to
misdirect a little.
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3338[20:49:57] <tw> Rather, not using root=UUID=
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3360[20:57:53] <qmr> debian.org mirrors 503 ??
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3362[20:58:41] <jhutchins_wk> !mirror status
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3363[20:58:41] <dpkg> Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use
to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some
statistics the mirror maintainers provide:
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3365[20:59:10] <jhutchins_wk> qmr: More likely a glitch on a
particular server.
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3368[21:00:01] <qmr> I just commented out all debian.org mirrors
from sources.list and ran apt-get update, why is apt-get install
trying to reach debian mirrors ???
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3369[21:00:08] <jhutchins_wk> Heh. Mirror status page timing out.
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3371[21:00:48] <jhutchins_wk> qmr: What are you actually trying
to do?
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3372[21:00:54] <qmr> jhutchins_wk: install software
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3374[21:01:45] <somiaj> qmr: care to share your sources.list. And
what do you mean by debian.org mirrors, which one?
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