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1 [00:00:20] <john> sorry, im not used to highlighting names
yet simonlnu, i'll try and do that more
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3 [00:00:30] <simonlnu> np
4 [00:00:44] <john> So I guess once i've made a
/dev/zram0, i can just mount it?
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6 [00:01:01] <simonlnu> you don't mount it
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8 [00:01:14] <john> ah, so its really only for swap?
9 [00:01:40] <simonlnu> yes
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12 [00:02:07] <john> poooop - I thought i found a way to get
more data into ram instead of reading it off the disk
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14 [00:02:26] <john> compressed it's like 100x smaller,
since theres a lot of repetition in the datastructure
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16 [00:03:08] <simonlnu> yeah, it's useful for that
17 [00:03:15] <jmcnaught> john: using it as swap is how you use
it as ram. swap doesn't automatically mean "on a hard
drive".
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20 [00:03:37] <john> oh, er, right
21 [00:03:43] <john> good point
22 [00:03:44] <jmcnaught> john: by using it as swap you're
saying to the kernel "hey, this compressed virtual ram
disk/block device, use this as swap"
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24 [00:03:50] <john> I see
25 [00:03:59] <john> Well, ah, again i dont know if that will
help me much
26 [00:04:22] <awal1> I have problem runnin 'xmobar'
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28 [00:04:27] <john> I'm reading a gzip file from disk in
Python, then loading it into memory as a binary table of two 32bit
columns
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30 [00:04:52] <salviaD> how can I make raspbian jessy friedly to
constant insert/removal of the ethernet cable? I may start it
without cable, plug in after a while, remove at any time, plug again
in another lan... In resume, make it plug and play dhcp/dns
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32 [00:05:02] <jmcnaught> john: you could compare the output of
"free -m" before and after using the zram as swap.
33 [00:05:06] <john> The second column has an essentially random
number, but the first column is a sorted, so its highly compressable
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35 [00:05:38] <john> I think if i ask python to load the file,
it will just go into normal RAM since i have tons of it, rather than
a special compressed RAM place
36 [00:05:49] <jmcnaught> salviaD: raspian isn't supported
in #debian, only Debian is.
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38 [00:06:12] <john> I was hoping I would just, like, turn my
128Gb of ram into 500Gb or something with a tiny decompression
tradeoff
39 [00:06:13] <jmcnaught> salviaD: you'll need to ask in
#raspian
40 [00:06:17] <salviaD> jmcnaught: in case I want to do this ,
with debian? The concept helps me
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46 [00:09:05] <john> jmcnaught, ah! it can be done!
47 [00:09:10] <john> I can turn it into a disk :)
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49 [00:09:21] <john> mkfs.ext4 /dev/zram0
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52 [00:09:37] <john> mount /dev/zram0 /mnt/zram
53 [00:09:41] <john> boom :)
54 [00:09:54] <jmcnaught> john: have you found/read
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56 [00:10:10] <john> i liturally JUST found it :)
57 [00:10:17] <john> i was copy/pasting it to show you :)
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59 [00:10:41] <john> So yeah, although it's not
'true' ram, i can atleast make a ram disk, put my data on
there, and then tell python to read from it
60 [00:11:18] <jmcnaught> john: using it as swap is probably
closer to what you originally wanted, (free ram)
61 [00:11:36] <john> maybe, i will have to try that
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63 [00:11:53] <john> Thing is i have tons of ram - but it
isn't enough to hold all my data at once
64 [00:12:05] <john> if the daa stazed the size as it is on disk
(gzipped), then it would be no problem
65 [00:12:20] <john> but to read it, i have to unpack it, and i
don't have 200Gb of RAM
66 [00:13:04] <john> maybe... if i just have 1Gb of normal ram
and 127 of this zram, when all the ram gets taken up, python will
use it anyway as swap
67 [00:13:06] <john> ...hm
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69 [00:13:20] <john> Thats what you were saying right?
70 [00:13:26] <jmcnaught> john: there's probably also a
python library for dealing with large data sets, loading only a bit
into memory at a time. maybe ask in #python ?
71 [00:14:31] <jmcnaught> john: that's the general concept
with zram swap yes. when something gets swapped out of memory, it
gets swapped into a compressed zram disk (not as slow as a hard
drive where a traditional swap would be)
72 [00:15:02] <john> I seee
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74 [00:15:27] <john> But isn't that only for writes?
75 [00:15:30] <john> No, i guess thats anything...
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79 [00:16:33] <jmcnaught> john: i would probably try to solve
this in python instead
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81 [00:17:27] <john> Ah, i've been on this issue for months
- there are other ways to get random-access data structures with
compression, like HDF5, but i really just want a simple C struct
82 [00:17:31] <tako> i fix my problems
83 [00:17:39] <john> two columns, 32bit and 16bits, and a
bazillion rows
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85 [00:17:50] <tako> guys which nvidia version bumblebee using ?
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88 [00:19:20] <s_i_m> jonh, maybe you do not need all data in
ram at the same time?
89 [00:20:02] <john> s_i_m, ah, I dont *have* to, but the idea
is, um
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91 [00:21:47] <s_i_m> huge hash array?
92 [00:22:31] <john> Um, no no, that would make sense :P This is
more like, every 700Mb binary table represents 1 person's
genome, and some signal information for every base
93 [00:22:43] <flaf> Hi. Question about pinning. Can someone
explain me why the priority is the same (ie 990) for all versions of
the "ceph" package here (outpout of the second command)
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96 [00:23:00] <john> And the biggest problem at the moment is
that, while you can ask a question of the data and get a reply back
in 3 minutes, that kind of sucks
97 [00:23:13] <MBach> hi
98 [00:23:18] <john> You bring 3 or 4 people in to look at the
data and start thinking of questions, and by the third question
everyone is asleep
99 [00:23:43] <john> if i can get it from 3 minutes or even 1
minute down to 3 seconds, then the whole thing becomes more
interactive and we dont waste people's time
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103 [00:24:25] <john> But i couldn't load *all* the data
into memory by about 50Gb, so i was about to think about lossy
compression
104 [00:24:31] <john> like, delete data
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107 [00:24:53] <john> So this is waaay better, since i know
gzipped these 700Mb numpy arrays become <70
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110 [00:25:17] <MBach> I made a software available for Ubuntu,
but I would like to make it available also for debian. However, one
of its dependency is available only on Ubuntu. Where should I look
for help?
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115 [00:26:25] <bazhang> !backports
116 [00:26:25] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
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120 [00:27:26] <s_i_m> MBach, you need to package dependencies
too. check for debian-mentors list and website.
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126 [00:28:21] <zykotick9> MBach: <just a guess> but
i'd think what the dependency actually is, might determine
success/failure... good luck
127 [00:29:09] <MBach> well this is QtAV
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129 [00:29:32] <MBach> (
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133 [00:31:51] <alive876> hi, newbie here, trying to do X11
forwarding over ssh... I checked the remote server which has these
set "X11Forwarding yes" "X11DisplayOffset 10" ,
the so I do this ssh -v -X <address> and when i log in, is
there a way to test if its working?
134 [00:32:31] <themill> MBach: what's missing for that?
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137 [00:33:36] <s_i_m> alive876: run an xlibs-based app?
138 [00:33:39] <zykotick9> alive876: historically, i've used
"xeyes" to test x forwarding
139 [00:33:40] <MBach> themill: in fact, QtAV isn't
available for debian, only for Ubuntu in an external ppa
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141 [00:34:23] <themill> MBach: ahh, qtav is the missing bit? Do
you feel like maintaining it yourself in Debian?
142 [00:34:27] <MBach> and I made my software on top of this SDK
(QtAV SDK includes a player, a QML Player, libQtAV and libQtAV
Widget)
143 [00:35:26] <MBach> it should be that difficult I suppose,
tonight I built it from scratch (git clone etc... sudo apt-cache
search missing deps)
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145 [00:35:33] <MBach> and I made my soft working
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147 [00:35:43] <MBach> now the tricky part, a clean, well formed
package
148 [00:36:09] <MBach> I'm more a C++ guy, but I have some
experience in packaging. But this isn't my favorite part
149 [00:36:10] <themill> MBach: if qtav already exists in a PPA
then someone has already made a source package (of unknown quality).
That's your starting point
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151 [00:36:28] <alive876__> hi, newbie here, trying to do X11
forwarding over ssh... I checked the remote server which has these
set "X11Forwarding yes" "X11DisplayOffset 10" ,
the so I do this ssh -v -X <address> and when i log in, is
there a way to test if its working?
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153 [00:36:55] <s_i_m> MBach, you may ask the mainteiner of that
ppa if he/she is interested in including his/her soft in Debian and
propose your help
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155 [00:37:26] <s_i_m> that would be a good starting point imo
156 [00:37:39] <MBach> s_i_m: you are probably right, I should
ask Wang-Bin if he's interested by submitting it for debian
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158 [00:38:13] <MBach> he kindly offered his help by translating
my soft in Chinese, so I suppose he could do some extra work for his
own SDK
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162 [00:39:28] <themill> MBach: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
or the debian-mentors mailing lists are where you'll get better
help with packaging. It would be worth contacting the Qt and
multimedia teams to see if either of them were interested in this
library
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166 [00:41:27] <MBach> ok so first, I will contact Wang-Bin then
some gurus with beard or not
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173 [00:48:15] <ZodoTurtle> Before I install proprietary drivers.
Where do I report my specs that hate the nouveau drivers?
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176 [00:49:29] <zykotick9> ZodoTurtle: from what i learned
earlier today... good luck...
177 [00:51:39] <zykotick9> ZodoTurtle: fyi
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178 [00:51:40] <judd> Bug
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180 [00:51:49] <ZodoTurtle> I don't need luck. Debian 7
works great for this machine. If I have to, I will go back to that.
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183 [00:52:21] <AciD`> hi
184 [00:52:29] <AciD`> is there a way to reinstall the base
packages (like init) with one meta-package?
185 [00:52:31] <ZodoTurtle> I'm curious to know if my
problem is nouveau or KMS. Both are new to me.
186 [00:52:55] <abrotman> AciD`: aptitude reinstall
'~pstandard'
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188 [00:53:08] <AciD`> abrotman > thanks!
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193 [00:54:44] <lost_soul> if I boot a system using ide=nodma
will that also affect my sata drives... I would think no but thought
it best to ask.
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198 [00:57:06] <sine0> how do i stop init.d items from startup up
at boot. like i installed musql ages ago, not used it and have just
/etc/init.d/mysql stop
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200 [00:58:00] <markybob> !tell sine0 about update-rc.d
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204 [01:02:49] <AciD`> abrotman > is there a way to reinstall
the base packages..without removing the other (non-base) packages?
;)
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207 [01:04:22] <markybob> ah frankendebian
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209 [01:04:24] <ZodoTurtle> If that becomes my issue. Then I will
permantely boycott nvidia in all its forms. The serious issue is
that I don't believe ATI to be any better.
210 [01:05:11] <AciD`> hm, wierd, relaunching the exact same
aptitude command allows me to only reinstall, and not remove the
other packages..
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212 [01:06:17] <zykotick9> ZodoTurtle: no ATI can be used in 3D
freedom... requiring a non-free blob for the "open source"
driver to do 3D... so ya, I _think_ ATI/AMD is worse :(
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219 [01:08:02] <bmomjian> Uh, I can't get SSI to work on
Apache 2.4 since my upgrade to Jessie; logs say: mod_include:
Options +Includes wasn't set, INCLUDES filter removed:; Any
ideas? I have been at this for 30 minutes now.
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221 [01:08:26] <ZodoTurtle> So, now Linux will not have
reasonable drivers per distrobution, and will be required to
download frequently incompatable packages directly from the vendor.
Something that is NOT a requirement for Windows users and therefore,
unreasonable.
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223 [01:08:54] <teraflops> hehe
224 [01:08:58] <teraflops> sorry
225 [01:09:04] <ZodoTurtle> Is that what I'm reading?
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227 [01:09:30] <blind> uh, people on windows download graphics
card drivers from the manufacturer..
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231 [01:12:27] <Finetundra> Hey folks, how can I determine what
kind of drive is in use?
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233 [01:12:59] <blind> as in?
234 [01:13:00] <zykotick9> Finetundra: "drive"?
235 [01:13:31] <abrotman> ludicrous speed?
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241 [01:14:37] <Finetundra> zykotick9: yes, so can I ID a drive
as scsi, ide, sata, etc from the OS level
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244 [01:15:18] <zykotick9> Finetundra: ahhh. well, now the
channel knows what you mean ;) best of luck...
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248 [01:17:01] <AciD`> would you see why I cannot `aptitude
reinstall '~pstandard'` (cf
replaced-url
249 [01:17:11] <bmomjian> I am confused what a2ensite does on
Jessie. Do I have to run it?
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252 [01:17:35] <markybob> AciD`: we don't know because
you're not using debian. ask #ubuntu
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257 [01:20:52] <zykotick9> Finetundra: fyi, smartmontool has
"smartctl -i /dev/foo"
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259 [01:21:29] <veverak> is there some way to prevent users from
launching binaries in their ~/ directory?
260 [01:21:43] <veverak> (like when they copy into it something,
mark it +x and want to run it)
261 [01:21:51] <veverak> it's ment for users that ssh into
machine only
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263 [01:22:06] <abrotman> can you mount /home/ noexec ?
264 [01:22:48] <veverak> I can, thanks! :D
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266 [01:23:31] * zykotick9 wouldn't be happy if ~/bin suddenly
became non-executable...
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268 [01:23:53] <veverak> whatever
269 [01:23:57] <veverak> zykotick9: it's "backup"
machine
270 [01:24:05] <veverak> you are ment to copy data there, not to
use anything there
271 [01:24:08] <veverak> :)
272 [01:24:19] <abrotman> so why do the yhave interactive login
ability?
273 [01:24:20] <at0m> you could still "sh ~/bin/app"
right?
274 [01:24:39] <veverak> abrotman: been thinkig about using
limited shell
275 [01:24:43] <veverak> not sure it's perfect though
276 [01:24:50] * veverak doesn't have yet figured out everything
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279 [01:25:52] <geusebio> join #ubuntu
280 [01:25:56] <geusebio> Fffuck
281 [01:26:03] <geusebio> *seppaku*
282 [01:26:22] <lost_soul> now, now... no need to be a potty
mouth
283 [01:26:44] <geusebio> I'm sorry, I shouldn't have
dropped a u-bomb in here.
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313 [01:47:54] <donald> How to move a sofware downloaded by git
clone to another directory to use it as a software?
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316 [01:49:52] <geusebio> mv directory_you_cloned
./some/place/else?
317 [01:50:09] <donald> yes
318 [01:50:13] <donald> with this command
319 [01:50:25] <geusebio> mv ./from ./to
320 [01:50:26] <donald> but where is he final destination?
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322 [01:50:35] <geusebio> Wherever you want it, buddy.
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325 [01:51:01] <geusebio> if you want it to be executable in your
CLI without going to the explicit location and running
./somesoftware to make it run, you need to add it to your $PATH
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327 [01:51:46] <markybob> donald: most git's have a
readme/install file. read that. maybe it has make install. anyway,
read and ask them. if it's a binary you can put it just about
anywhere. most likely /usr/local/bin or ~/bin
328 [01:51:53] <donald> I mean I want to put it to the nice
destination to let my os know this directory as a librairy.
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331 [01:52:14] <markybob> it's a libary now
332 [01:52:19] <donald> right I am going to read it
333 [01:52:44] <markybob> donald: yeah do that first. you
didn't even tell us which softare it is. we're not mind
readers.
334 [01:52:54] <markybob> donald: please research before asking
335 [01:54:50] <donald> rofl
replaced-url
336 [01:55:34] <donald> use the classic way
replaced-url
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339 [01:56:59] <donald> markybob
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343 [01:58:28] <jmcnaught> donald: that software seems to be
available in Debian, and also has a newer version available in
backports.
344 [01:58:53] <jmcnaught> donald: installing stuff from source
code should usually be a last-resort on Debian, especially if you
don't know how
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346 [01:59:09] <donald> If I understand nicely I have to change
repository?
347 [01:59:47] <jmcnaught> donald: see
replaced-url
348 [02:00:02] <mrrhq> donald: You're probably looking for
something like ~/.local/bin/ but it needs to be enabled in your
.profile or .bashrc (forget which one).
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352 [02:00:29] <mrrhq> That's what I use when I want to
build something for Git, that Debian doesn't have in the repos.
353 [02:01:11] <donald> apt-get -t jessie-backports install
python-stem
354 [02:01:11] <donald> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
355 [02:01:11] <donald> E: La valeur
« jessie-backports » n'est pas valable
pour APT::Default-Release car cette version ne fait pas partie des
sources disponibles.
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358 [02:01:59] <jmcnaught> donald: you forgot to add the repo:
replaced-url
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360 [02:02:48] <donald> deb
replaced-url
361 [02:02:49] <donald> deb-src
replaced-url
362 [02:02:50] <jmcnaught> donald: also if you ever need to paste
more than a single line, please use
replaced-url
363 [02:02:52] <donald> that looks fine
364 [02:03:19] <mrrhq> donald: That's not backports though.
365 [02:03:36] <jmcnaught> donald: that's not from the
instructions i linked you to. if you would rather use the tor
project's packages instead of Debian's, then you should
get support from the tor project
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368 [02:06:57] <mrrhq> Hm, that reminds me. Sorry for an
unrelated question, but when will Debian ever upstream Syncthing?
replaced-url
369 [02:08:19] <donald> I think I understand
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371 [02:10:03] <bmomjian> Can someone look at my Apache 2.4
configs after a Jessie upgrade to tell me why I am getting this
error? "mod_include: Options +Includes (or IncludesNoExec)
wasn't set, INCLUDES filter removed:".
372 [02:10:15] <bmomjian> My fies are here:
replaced-url
373 [02:10:48] <abrotman> bmomjian: probably want your main
apache.conf
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375 [02:11:29] <bmomjian> karlpinc: was a huge help but I am
afraid he has left.
376 [02:11:33] <bmomjian> ok, hold
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378 [02:11:38] <abrotman> he'll be around again
379 [02:11:47] <bmomjian> ok, it is at the URL now
380 [02:12:10] <bmomjian> I wrote down everything karlpinc told
me and followed his instructions, but he didn't mention SSI.
:-(
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383 [02:13:11] <bmomjian> Is the problem with "AllowOverride
None" in <Directory /var/replaced-url
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385 [02:13:51] <abrotman> Some of your content has SSI?
386 [02:13:56] <bmomjian> yes
387 [02:14:08] <bmomjian> a lot of it, or I would have just
rewritten it out.
388 [02:14:27] <bmomjian> the ssi is being served literally to
the browser
389 [02:14:40] <bmomjian> and the error message kind of explains
why, but it doesn't explain what I am missing.
390 [02:15:20] <bmomjian> e.g.
replaced-url
391 [02:15:23] <abrotman> your main site has two Options
directives, is that allowed?
392 [02:15:30] <bmomjian> uh
393 [02:15:43] <abrotman> for /var/replaced-url
394 [02:15:48] <abrotman> I'm asking, I don't know,
just a thought
395 [02:16:03] <bmomjian> OK, let me move it; it is worth a try,
sure
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399 [02:16:51] <bmomjian> uh, no change
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404 [02:18:19] <abrotman>
replaced-url
405 [02:19:22] <abrotman> bmomjian: you're not the only one,
and the comments have some suggestions
406 [02:19:25] <bmomjian> I am hanging on that url
407 [02:19:43] <abrotman> yeah, it was slow for me
408 [02:19:48] <abrotman> it loaded eventually
409 [02:20:28] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: based on your error message,
i would try moving what you have in xbit-hack.conf to inside the the
Directory it should apply to in 000-default (that apache bug is
still loading for me too...)
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412 [02:21:16] <armin> is there an easy way to create a new users
home directory so that it is encrypted?
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415 [02:21:45] <abrotman> bmomjian:
replaced-url
416 [02:21:58] <bmomjian> Do I keep the IfModule lines to?
417 [02:22:08] <armin> yes.
418 [02:22:40] <abrotman>
replaced-url
419 [02:22:44] <abrotman> so many different solutions ..
420 [02:22:59] <abrotman> armin: just for one user?
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422 [02:23:42] <bmomjian> moving into 000-default did not help
423 [02:24:16] <bmomjian> oh, <DIRECTORY>
424 [02:24:42] <armin> what exactly are you both guys up to? does
everybody of you have a *different* apache problem?
425 [02:25:23] <armin> i just looked at the config one of you
posted above, was the question why that site doesn't do https?
426 [02:25:33] <bmomjian> moving into <directory>
didn't help either? Does it have to be in apache.conf?
427 [02:25:35] <flaf> Hi. Question about pinning. Can someone
explain me why the priority is the same (ie 990) for all versions of
the "ceph" package here (outpout of the second command)
=>
replaced-url
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430 [02:27:50] <bmomjian> should I ask on #httpd?
431 [02:27:59] <armin> flaf: it basically just means that if you
have other pinning definitions as well for that package, those would
have to have a priority that is higher. nothing more.
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433 [02:28:19] <armin> flaf: no. this is the correct channel to
ask about pinning.
434 [02:28:45] <markybob> bmomjian: probably
435 [02:28:59] <armin> oh i just got confused by nicknames again.
damn.
436 [02:29:24] <flaf> armin: but why the priority is the same for
ceph_9.2.1-1~bpo80+ _and_ for ceph_0.80.7-2+deb8u1? In my preference
file, I have set pinning version just for 9.2.1-*
437 [02:29:59] <armin> flaf: i don't know.
438 [02:30:06] <flaf> I expected 990 only for ceph_9.2.1-1~bpo80+
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441 [02:31:43] <jmcnaught> flaf: is pinning necessary in this
case? wouldn't the higher version number on the third party
package mean that the official debian one (with a lower version)
would never be used to upgrade over it?
442 [02:31:44] <flaf> armin: ok, me too and this is exactly my
question (Why isn't the priority set only for
ceph_9.2.1-1~bpo80+ as regard my preference file)?
443 [02:32:14] <armin> flaf: i really can't say.
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445 [02:32:24] <armin> maybe someone else wants to elaborate.
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448 [02:33:20] <flaf> jmcnaught: no, it's not necessary in
the present case but this not my question. My question is why the
priority is 990 for ceph_9.2.1-1~bpo80+ _and_ for
ceph_0.80.7-2+deb8u1 (as regard my preference file) instead only for
ceph_9.2.1-1~bpo80+ as I expected.
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450 [02:34:35] <armin> the suffixes confuse me
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456 [02:36:48] <flaf>
replaced-url
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462 [02:40:04] <flaf> Until now, I thought basic "pinning
version" was something clear for me. I realize that it's
not so clear for me in fact. ;)
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464 [02:40:55] <bmomjian> OK, no help from #httpd. Is my only
option to roll back to apache 2.2? Can that be done on Jessie?
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467 [02:43:02] <mrrhq> bmomjian: There's also ##networking.
They are sometimes active.
468 [02:43:03] <jmcnaught> flaf: i generally don't use
pinning, there's some documentation about it here though:
replaced-url
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470 [02:43:16] <bmomjian> double ##?
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472 [02:44:17] <mrrhq> I don't use pinning either. :p
473 [02:44:55] <mrrhq> bmomjian: If you join #networking it will
redirect you.
474 [02:45:07] <flaf> jmcnaught: mrrhq: It can be handy when you
want to avoid upgrade of a specific package.
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476 [02:45:57] <bmomjian> ok, I have asked there
477 [02:46:00] <mrrhq> I think the
thing is so people know it's not an "official"
channel. Like on freenode it's linux instead of #linux, because #linux is an official channel,
likely one that Torvolds would be on, or something. I don't
know...
478 [02:46:07] <bmomjian> and I asked on the Postgres channel for
off-channel help.
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481 [02:46:31] <mrrhq> Seems to be a Freenode thing.
482 [02:47:02] <jmcnaught> flaf: there's also "apt-mark
hold"
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484 [02:48:09] <flaf> jmcnaught: indeed but I prefer pinning set
in a plain text configuration (for instance I use pinning on servers
managed by puppet).
485 [02:48:41] <flaf> (puppet works well with plain text
configuration files)
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487 [02:49:06] <mrrhq> jmcnaught: flaf: Th eonly thing I've
used apt-pinning for was when I was experimenting with downgrading
from Sid to Stable for a moment while everything was transitioning
to libstdc++ version 6, because there's no better way to do
that.
488 [02:49:28] <mrrhq> I really don't use it anymore. It
worked out fine though.
489 [02:50:08] <bmomjian> Nothing from ##networking either
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493 [02:51:11] <mrrhq> IRC is slow. :p
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496 [02:52:43] <gardenman> httpredir.debian.org down? ive trouble
connect to the repos...
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498 [02:53:48] <mrrhq> gardenman: What about ftp.debian.org ?
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502 [02:55:02] <mrrhq> Also, yeah, I've checked it in my
browser. It 404'd.
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508 [02:56:46] <gardenman> same for security.debian.org i guess
ive to wait _
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510 [02:57:19] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: on thing you could try while
you wait is separate all of your VirtualHosts into separate .conf
files in sites-available (instead of everything in 000-default).
Then turn the sites on one at a time. It might help you narrow down
the problem
511 [02:57:48] <dvs> gardenman, I just updated 10 minutes ago and
it was fine.
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513 [02:58:29] <bmomjian> but the problem is the main site, not
any virtual ones
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518 [02:59:54] <mrrhq> Security works fine for me.
replaced-url
519 [03:00:04] <mrrhq> So does the FTP, so use those.
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521 [03:00:48] <lost_soul> if I boot a system using ide=nodma
will that also affect my sata drives... I would think no but thought
it best to ask.
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523 [03:01:36] <laidback_01> bmomjian, it's a symptom of
using virtualhosts *:80 You'll need to define your
'main' site as a VirtualHost as well - using
NameVirtualHost or have a 'default' site that is the catch
all for any of the incorrectly directed names. that could be your
'main' site then.
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525 [03:01:56] <bmomjian> wow, I was not aware of that
526 [03:02:01] <lost_soul> researching further I see many people
that say the ide=nodma option doesn't make any difference on
many distros so I'm not even sure that booting with that option
will have any affect
527 [03:02:12] <bmomjian> is that what a2ensite does?
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529 [03:02:46] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: a2ensite/a2dissite basically
just manage symlinks
530 [03:03:05] <laidback_01> I've no idea, I just manually
do it, mostly I ignore the debian scripts and do it the apache way -
because debian isn't the only system I use. learning the apache
way applies to freebsd, redhat, debian, etc.
531 [03:03:08] <bmomjian> karlpinc said 2.4 would be a difficult
upgrade
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535 [03:04:23] <bmomjian> so the new site is DocumentRoot /var/replaced-url
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537 [03:04:55] <mrrhq> lost_soul: I think it's only needed
if the BIOS does not properly support DMA for IDE drives. Not sure
if it affects SATA
538 [03:04:56] <laidback_01> well... it's sort of what you
define... but sure, that would work
539 [03:05:06] <laidback_01> there is a 'default' site
in there.
540 [03:05:13] <laidback_01> perhaps you need to make sure
it's acting as the catch all
541 [03:05:54] <laidback_01> or, if you are using the debian
system, check out if it's in sites-enabled or wahtever.
probably since it's default, it is.
542 [03:05:57] <bmomjian> ok, done, restarted, same error.
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544 [03:06:27] <bmomjian> oh, uh
545 [03:06:30] <laidback_01> most likely they got it right, so
there's something off with your configs. not being rude, just
saying. you are not using globbing or anything in your configs are
you? t
546 [03:06:42] <bmomjian> is that question for me?
547 [03:06:46] <laidback_01> there should be only one that is
*:80, the others are someName:80
548 [03:06:58] <lost_soul> mrrhq: well as with most of the google
results I'm using an IDE to CF adapter and getting absolutely
tons of messages. I would like to do away with them and having the
CF use PIO mode should accomplish that but I don't want to
limit my sata drives
549 [03:07:04] <bmomjian> my configs are here:
replaced-url
550 [03:07:24] <bmomjian> Yes, first line is VirtualHost *:80
551 [03:07:25] <lost_soul> incidently the sata drives are via
PCI-X card, not on the motherboard itself.
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553 [03:07:46] <bmomjian> in fact there are multiple entries like
that
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555 [03:08:32] <abrotman> bmomjian: #httpd didn't help you?
556 [03:08:57] <bmomjian> no reply at all.
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558 [03:09:06] <bmomjian> I am starting to panic.
559 [03:09:23] <abrotman> bmomjian: none of the URLs helped? Do
you have a .htaccess in the content directory?
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561 [03:09:29] <bmomjian> I am trying to grab one of the
PostgreSQL team I work with but no one is replying either
562 [03:09:33] <bmomjian> no .htaccess at all
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565 [03:11:00] <laidback_01> gah, I said a dumb there. *:80 is
fine for Virtualhosts, all of them. Thinking of something else.
566 [03:11:01] <bmomjian> what is odd is that in both #httpd and
##networking it is not like it scrolled off the screen. My question
is still near the top
567 [03:11:26] <mrrhq> lost_soul: IDE to CF sounds like a pretty
cool idea though, but.. Maybe you would be better off scrapping the
IDE for SATA only instead, and using an SSD if you really want more
speed. IDE is really showing its age...
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570 [03:12:05] <abrotman> bmomjian: I saw a few of them suggested
an additional line to allow INCLUDES
571 [03:12:07] <mrrhq> Most of the newer motherboards are going
to be SATA only. I just always liked the retro look of an IDE cable.
:p
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573 [03:13:00] <bmomjian> yes, I saw that and tried. I am unclear
exactly what section they go in though, and which file.
574 [03:13:10] <mrrhq> Might be worth putting a CD player on IDE
if it's a desktop. If it's a laptop, idk..
575 [03:13:12] <lost_soul> mrrhq: This is a very old server with
onboard IDE and SCSI only. The SATA card I'm using has only 8
ports and I have 8 data drives plugged in to it.
576 [03:13:18] <bmomjian> I tried it in <Directory /> and
<Directory /var/replaced-url
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578 [03:13:30] <bmomjian> what is odd is that I don't have a
<Directory /var/replaced-url
579 [03:13:50] <abrotman> bmomjian: such as one that suggests you
need an AllowOverrides Options in your apache2.conf for /var/replaced-url
580 [03:14:25] <lost_soul> I like the idea of CF as it has no
moving parts and I don't really need the OS to be fast or huge
on this install. All it is meant to do is serve files via NFS and
samba
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582 [03:14:52] <bmomjian> ok, let me try that
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587 [03:16:12] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Yeah. The apache 2.4 release
notes say AllowOverrides defaults now to "none".
588 [03:16:18] <mrrhq> lost_soul: What a cool sounding kit. Yeah,
without knowing how a CF to IDE controller works, I'm not sure
how one would stop all the error messages you said you were getting.
I'm also really not even sure if the IDE transfer itself will
be a bottleneck.
589 [03:16:28] <abrotman> karlpinc: he was wondering where you
got to :)
590 [03:16:37] <laidback_01> bmomjian, why do you have
<Directory /> do you really have files in / that you want
served?
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594 [03:17:51] <mrrhq>
replaced-url
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596 [03:18:01] <mrrhq> Looks like it also depends on the speed of
the CF card itself.
597 [03:18:03] <bmomjian> OK, URL updated, same problem:
replaced-url
598 [03:18:07] <bmomjian> but fresh config files
599 [03:18:18] <bmomjian> oh, karlpinc is here!
600 [03:18:20] <bmomjian> Yeah!
601 [03:18:22] <lost_soul> mrrhq: well I use a similar setup on
the machine that does my network routing (OpenBSD for that box) and
it works fine, although it is a little slow.. but as I said I
don't really need something fast
602 [03:18:40] <bmomjian> so I wrote down everything he said, but
SSI has my website down for a few hours now and I can't figure
it out.
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605 [03:19:06] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Hah. I once knew what I was
doing. Then my brain started leaking.... Anyhow, is there a line
above that says what the problem is?
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607 [03:19:34] <karlpinc> bmomjian: (I've become more
enamored of nginx than apache of late.)
608 [03:19:36] <bmomjian> just the error message about INCLUDE
noet enabled.
609 [03:19:42] <bmomjian> yes, I can feel that now. ;-)
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615 [03:21:07] <bmomjian> as far as I see AllowOverride only
controls .htaccess, and I am not using htaccess.
616 [03:21:28] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Tried putting
"IncludesNoExec <uh, something here>" in the
top-level <Directory ...>?
617 [03:21:29] <abrotman> it allows subdirectory overrides also
IIRC
618 [03:21:29] <bmomjian> I am happy to try, of course. Maybe
Apache considers SSI to be htaccess controls.
619 [03:22:00] <bmomjian> in which file?
620 [03:22:19] <laidback_01> bmomjian, here, try this one:
replaced-url
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622 [03:22:41] <laidback_01> I think you had the impression that
the default would go to the last entry, whereas it's just the
opposite, it'll go to the first.
623 [03:22:47] <karlpinc> bmomjian: I'm going to look at
your setup....
624 [03:23:04] <laidback_01> and if you didn't have the
server alias setup to handle that, it wouldn't behave as
expected.
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626 [03:23:51] <laidback_01> karlpinc, yeah, I've changed my
servers over to nginx as well... so I'm just kind of trying to
remember how to apache again.
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629 [03:24:13] <bmomjian> no change in using that pastebin
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631 [03:24:22] <laidback_01> hmm. bummer.
632 [03:24:29] <bmomjian> thanks karlpinc
633 [03:24:42] <laidback_01> apache configtest comes out OK,
right?
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637 [03:25:45] <bmomjian> apache2 -t has some odd error, hold
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639 [03:26:31] <bmomjian> odd error:
replaced-url
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641 [03:27:51] <abrotman> and what's line 74?
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646 [03:28:36] <jmcnaught> it's: Mutex
file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR} default
647 [03:30:08] <laidback_01>
replaced-url
648 [03:30:21] <bmomjian> should I try that?
649 [03:30:28] <laidback_01>
replaced-url
650 [03:30:43] <bmomjian> oh, hold you wanted me to try noexec
651 [03:30:46] <bmomjian> sorry, let me do that now
652 [03:30:46] <laidback_01> I'm just pointing out 74 - the
line doesn't make sense in either context
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654 [03:31:37] <bmomjian> in apache.conf line 74 is Mutex
file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR} default
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657 [03:33:40] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Google came up with a good
debugging hint. Put a CustomLog in each virtualhost to narrow the
problem down.
658 [03:33:46] <salviaD> On wheezy, I had one line of code added
to /etc/init.d/rcS . Now on jessy with systemd, where can I added
this 1 script line to be executed at this same early stage?
659 [03:33:55] <karlpinc> bmomjian: (Then look for the error
message in each log.)
660 [03:34:09] <bmomjian> oh
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665 [03:36:47] <bmomjian> OK, so I put CustomLog "1.0"
in <Directory /var/replaced-url
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672 [03:38:07] <bmomjian> let me try every virtual host
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674 [03:39:15] <bmomjian> I put it in every one but didn't
see it, let me try apache2.conf
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676 [03:39:30] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Humm. I'd expect a
CustomLog line to look like: CustomLog "logs/access_log"
"%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" (or some other
"format string")
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679 [03:39:53] <jmcnaught> salviaD: you can make a .service unit
for the script and put it in /etc/systemd/system
680 [03:40:12] <karlpinc> bmomjian: But let me look into apache
more. Maybe that won't capture errors. (Just when are you
getting that log message, in what log file?)
681 [03:40:15] <bmomjian> seems it can't go in apache2.conf,
syntax error
682 [03:40:32] <bmomjian> actually I was looking in the error
log; let me look in the access log
683 [03:40:51] <salviaD> jmcnaught: what would be the equal to
having it, as the first line in /etc/init.d/rcS ?
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686 [03:41:30] <bmomjian> no , nothing the access logs either
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692 [03:42:28] <bmomjian> I just added: CustomLog "1.0"
to 000-default
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695 [03:42:59] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Looks like "the
internet" is not a reliable source of advice. :-) If it's
an error message you want an ErrorLog directive, and supply a path.
696 [03:43:10] <karlpinc> bmomjian: You can supply a different
path for each virtual host.
697 [03:43:14] <bmomjian> ok
698 [03:43:32] <abrotman> If only Apache worked as well as
PostgreSQL ...
699 [03:43:35] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Then we at least narrow it
down to a virtual host. (I hope.)
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702 [03:45:38] <bmomjian> I just added ErrorLog
"/var/log/apache2/1.0" but no files were created.
703 [03:45:59] <bmomjian> hold missed one
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706 [03:47:02] <jmcnaught> salviaD: it seems that there is a
/lib/systemd/system/rc.local.service unit that will execute stuff in
/etc/rc.local, but the systemd way would be to make your own service
unit that runs the script/command, and put that in
/etc/systemd/system (and then enable the service unit)
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708 [03:47:30] <bmomjian> no, nothing, sorry
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710 [03:47:55] <salviaD> jmcnaught: rc.local is userspace... i
need this to run at the very first 2 seconds
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712 [03:48:10] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: He wants it really early in
the boot process. Probably needs to have a "systemd magic come
before multiuser target" sort of directive.
713 [03:48:12] <salviaD> as it did, inside /etc/init.d/rcS
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721 [03:49:41] <karlpinc> bmomjian: So, you're doing
something with includes, right? These are html includes? And not
executing?
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724 [03:50:16] <bmomjian> so the files have html comments that
used to be expanded by apache, called SSI.
725 [03:50:23] <bmomjian> e.g. <!--#set var="title"
value="Contact" -->
726 [03:50:33] <bmomjian> This has them:
replaced-url
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728 [03:50:48] <jmcnaught> salviaD: systemd has this concept of
targets that a service unit can want. you can list them with
"systemctl list-units -t target", so you would would have
your custom service unit want or require one of those
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730 [03:51:02] <bmomjian> The error is pretty clear that it
can't find the +Includes
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733 [03:51:21] <bmomjian> mod_include: Options +Includes (or
IncludesNoExec) wasn't set, INCLUDES filter removed:
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738 [03:53:25] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: could it be because the
includes filter happens in confs-enabled/xbit-hack.conf which gets
loaded before the sites-enabled/000-default? There is a
<Directory /var/replaced-url
739 [03:53:35] <bmomjian> I moved "Options +Includes"
out of the directory block and into the Virtual host block , but no
change.
740 [03:53:53] <sorta> how do i compare a .gpg file in the apt
trusted dir with a pub key .asc file?
741 [03:54:00] <bmomjian> that is true
742 [03:54:12] <bmomjian> let me try copying the xbit-hack.conf
into the file again
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745 [03:55:35] <bmomjian> No change but the file is here:
replaced-url
746 [03:55:50] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: or move the site's
files into /var/replaced-url
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749 [03:57:14] <bmomjian> I have moved the sites files into
/var/replaced-url
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751 [03:57:38] <bmomjian> should the Directory config say /var/replaced-url
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753 [03:58:09] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: in 000-default yes change
/var/replaced-url
754 [03:58:46] <bmomjian> ok, hold
755 [03:59:05] <bmomjian> fyi, someone on #httpd has responded.
756 [03:59:20] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: also it's not clear to
me why you have a <Directory /> in 000-default
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758 [03:59:36] <karlpinc> bmomjian: (and everyone) I've not
really been following what's been tried. But I see a
<Directory /> Options foo\n Then _no_ Options +Includes in any
subdir. So the original options does not allow includes and that
sticks.
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760 [04:00:02] <abrotman> I did say that ..
761 [04:00:03] <karlpinc> (any subdir with "main" in
it.)
762 [04:00:08] <bmomjian> OK, updated file, but same problem:
replaced-url
763 [04:00:12] <abrotman> not sure what he tried to resolve that
764 [04:00:16] <bmomjian> I have no idea myself
765 [04:00:36] <bmomjian> Is this right "DocumentRoot
/var/replaced-url
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768 [04:01:51] <karlpinc> bmomjian: But it's not fixed.
You've got an Options FollowSymlinks on /. Does that not get
rid of the Options +Includes on anything in /? (My apache is not all
that....)
769 [04:01:54] <bmomjian> OK, new file contents, same output:
replaced-url
770 [04:02:02] <bmomjian> oh, hold
771 [04:02:16] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: it should be the directory
that has your website in it. if you moved it to /var/replaced-url
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774 [04:03:06] <karlpinc> bmomjian: If it were "Options
+FollowSymlinks" on / then I'd expect it to work.
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776 [04:03:26] <bmomjian> Options +Includes is lower.
777 [04:03:31] <bmomjian> let me merge them all into one
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782 [04:04:20] <bmomjian> OK, updated, same issue:
replaced-url
783 [04:04:38] <sorta> hmmm, why does the zfsonlinux_6_all.deb
file's gpg key differ so drastically from the key at the bottom
of
replaced-url
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794 [04:10:24] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: and with the 000-default you
most recently linked to, do you still have xbit-hack.conf in
conf-enabled? (a2disconf can disable it)
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796 [04:11:14] <bmomjian> yes
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798 [04:11:44] <karlpinc> bmomjian: I'm starting to think
about ways to crank up the verbosity of the config file parsing....
799 [04:11:46] <bmomjian> Oh, I added a "2" to ErrorLog
${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error2.log in my default 000-default config block
and there was no error2.log file created
800 [04:11:48] <bmomjian> yes
801 [04:12:02] <bmomjian> I also tried LogLevel debug and saw no
change
802 [04:12:11] <bmomjian> so I am now thinking it is not even
seeing that block
803 [04:12:15] <bmomjian> which gets us somewhere
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805 [04:12:33] <karlpinc> bmomjian: So it's looking at the
wrong virtualhost?
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808 [04:13:29] <bmomjian> that is my thought now
809 [04:13:42] <bmomjian> I am fiddling with adding that Errorlog
even more places
810 [04:13:42] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Is there a NameVirtualHost
anywhere? I'm getting feelings about incompatibility with that
and, uh, where you specify names for each host.... but I don't
remember any details.
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812 [04:14:07] <bmomjian> nope
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815 [04:14:27] <bmomjian> karlpinc, you mentioned some command to
run
816 [04:14:31] <bmomjian> ap...
817 [04:14:41] <bmomjian> a2ensite
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819 [04:14:48] <bmomjian> do I need to run that?
820 [04:14:52] <karlpinc> bmomjian: That wasn't me.
821 [04:14:55] <bmomjian> oh
822 [04:15:01] <bmomjian> it was the changelog I guess
823 [04:15:05] <karlpinc> bmomjian: It puts a symlink in
sites-enabled.
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826 [04:15:25] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Would not hurt to look at
that dir to see what's enabled.
827 [04:15:43] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: a2ensite and a2dissite
simply manage symlinks from sites-available to sites-enabled.
there's also a2enmod and a2enconf
828 [04:15:52] <bmomjian> OK, something is seriously wrong; I
just put 'asdfasdf' as the top of 000-default and the
service restarted
829 [04:15:54] <bmomjian> yikes
830 [04:16:27] <bmomjian> Yikes
831 [04:16:37] * karlpinc giggles at all the changes we've been
pouring over that were ignored.
832 [04:16:40] <bmomjian> I never renamed 000-default to
000-default.conf
833 [04:16:46] <karlpinc> *
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838 [04:17:18] <bmomjian> The release notes had this text: This
change also includes Debian default
839 [04:17:18] <bmomjian> sites, so the default site has been
renamed to 000-default to avoid naming
840 [04:17:18] <bmomjian> confusions.
841 [04:17:34] <bmomjian> so I thought it means that 000-default
was not to have a .config added
842 [04:18:17] <jmcnaught> heh.. something so simple, i feel
silly for not noticing this.. good catch bmomjian
843 [04:18:23] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Well, never would have found
that problem without chatting about it. :-) I recall now making the
same mistake, briefly mercifully.
844 [04:18:42] <bmomjian> Here is the text block that had me
confused:
replaced-url
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846 [04:19:16] <bmomjian> wow, I do feel a little better but I
should have found it much sooner. I added junk in the xbit conf file
to check it was being seen, but never checked 000-default
847 [04:20:14] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Ah. Text seems pretty clear.
But you need to know that [3] is a footnote.
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850 [04:21:11] <bmomjian> oh
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859 [04:28:49] <bmomjian> Odd that
../sites-available/000-default.conf has "Order allow,deny"
860 [04:28:53] <bmomjian> the old syntax
861 [04:29:06] <bmomjian> is my document root /var/replaced-url
862 [04:29:12] <bmomjian> for the default virtual host?
863 [04:29:22] <bmomjian> sites-enable says /var/replaced-url
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868 [04:30:33] <karlpinc> bmomjian: The only one used is the one
in sites-enabled. It's supposed to be a symlink of the one in
sites-available.
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870 [04:31:50] <karlpinc> bmomjian: The symlink-ness is what
allows the a2ensite (or whatever) commands to work.
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878 [04:35:43] <bmomjian> oh
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881 [04:36:46] <bmomjian> Ah, yes I see the
000-default.conf.dpkg-new version now
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886 [04:39:43] <jim> bmomjian, aren't you the pg project
lead?
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890 [04:40:50] <centurion18> hi
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892 [04:41:12] <centurion18> does unattended-updates upgrades
automatically?
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894 [04:41:33] <centurion18> or do i need a cron line for that?
895 [04:41:49] <markybob> centurion18: apticron makes a cron job
to do that
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920 [04:50:52] <bmomjian> I am changing to the new SSI variable
syntax now
921 [04:51:05] <bmomjian> yes, I am a PG core team member.
922 [04:51:28] <bmomjian> not the lead actually
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924 [04:52:31] <markybob> bmomjian: peerguardian?
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926 [04:52:46] <karlpinc> markybob: PostgreSQL
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928 [04:53:05] <markybob> never heard of that used for
postgresql. okay
929 [04:53:07] <bmomjian> village elder is a term bandied about.
;-)
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931 [04:54:30] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Perhaps you should hide leds
in your beard, in lue of twigs. ;-)
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933 [04:55:17] <bmomjian> lol
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942 [05:05:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys how do i check what
version of ssl my ssl install is using for apache2?
943 [05:05:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> i can't seem to find anywhere
it says what version..
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945 [05:05:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> /etc/ssl /etc/apache2/
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947 [05:07:00] <markybob> Eryn_1983_FL: dpkg -l libssl1.0.0
948 [05:07:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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950 [05:08:13] <jim> bmomjian, thanks for the work you all do...
pg has been awesome over the years and continues to be
951 [05:08:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> it is installed
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956 [05:09:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> SSLProtocol all -SSLv3
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958 [05:09:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> in ssl.conf
959 [05:09:10] <markybob> Eryn_1983_FL: i'm sure it is.
which version?
960 [05:09:20] <bmomjian> jim: glad to hear it
961 [05:09:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> ii libssl1.0.0:am 1.0.1k-3+deb
amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - sh
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963 [05:09:42] <mrrhq> Oh jeez, do not use SSLv3. People really
need to start using TLS.
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965 [05:09:53] <markybob> mrrhq: - says it's not used
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968 [05:10:29] <markybob> Eryn_1983_FL: you didn't get the
whole thing. it should be 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2 if you haven't
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade today you need to do it
969 [05:10:31] <simonlnu> i see a nice little - there myself
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971 [05:10:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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973 [05:11:22] <mrrhq> Oh okay, whew. :p
974 [05:11:28] <markybob> Eryn_1983_FL: i mistyped.
1.0.1k-3+deb8u4
975 [05:11:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> it updating...
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980 [05:12:27] <simonlnu> i second jim there, :)
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982 [05:12:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> there updated
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984 [05:13:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> SSLProtocol all -SSLv3 is that
sufficent do i need anything else
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986 [05:13:15] <markybob> Eryn_1983_FL: that's enough for
apache
987 [05:13:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> ii libssl1.0.0:am 1.0.1k-3+deb
amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - sh
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989 [05:13:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
990 [05:13:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got no webserver of my own
991 [05:13:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> i guess there are days when having
gmail is a good thing?
992 [05:15:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> er i mean email server...
993 [05:15:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> long day..
994 [05:15:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> lol
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1008 [05:20:10] <mrrhq> I also use my Google Account for YouTube,
and so I don't think I could give up both that and GMail.
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1030 [05:34:28] <bmomjian> Yeah, my website is back up,
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1031 [05:34:29] <bmomjian> :-)
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1036 [05:35:58] <mrrhq> gz
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1042 [05:39:03] <markybob> bmomjian: your ssl setup kinda sucks
1043 [05:40:23] <bmomjian> yes, I am missing an intermediate
certificate that I got an Apache complaint about, which I can fix.
1044 [05:40:25] <bmomjian> if that is it
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1046 [05:42:55] <markybob> bmomjian: it's valid for
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1049 [05:44:51] <bmomjian> oh, yeah, I thought I just redirected
replaced-url
1050 [05:44:57] <bmomjian> unless redirection is also broken
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1053 [05:45:27] <markybob> bmomjian: well now you know what to
look at :)
1054 [05:45:34] <bmomjian> yep
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1058 [05:50:21] <markybob> bmomjian: you really should aim for an
A
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1067 [05:53:56] <bmomjian> Agreed
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1074 [05:58:07] <markybob> bmomjian: wanna see my config?
it's an a+
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1078 [06:00:21] <bmomjian> uh, not sure I would understand it
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1090 [06:09:56] <jaggzt> "configure: error: failed to find
required GObject Introspection module GooCanvas"
1091 [06:10:01] <jaggzt> anyone know what to install to get that
to work?
1092 [06:10:32] <jaggzt> I have already installed
libgoocanvas-common, libgoocanvas-dev, python-pygoocanvas
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1094 [06:11:34] <markybob> jaggzt: pastebin apt-cache policy
libgoocanvas-common
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1099 [06:12:05] <markybob> jaggzt: and what are you compiling?
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1101 [06:12:45] <jaggzt>
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1103 [06:12:56] <jaggzt> compiling ocrfeeder.. my debian version
is old
1104 [06:13:05] <ironpillow> hi all, when I install squid (caching
proxy) on a machine with two NICs, eth0 (wan) and eth1 (lan) how
does it know what interface to hook on to?
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1106 [06:14:01] <jaggzt> debian ocrfeeder is at 7.11-6 but
apparently I need 8.x
1107 [06:14:10] <jaggzt>
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1108 [06:14:11] <ironpillow> or is it just listening to both
eth0:port and eth1:port ?
1109 [06:14:17] <markybob> ,v ocrfeeder
1110 [06:14:18] <judd> Package: ocrfeeder on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.6.6+dfsg1-1; wheezy: 0.7.9-1; jessie: 0.7.11-6; stretch: 0.8.1-2;
sid: 0.8.1-2
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1112 [06:14:29] <markybob> ,checkbackport ocrfeeder
1113 [06:14:38] <jaggzt> I have backports in apt sources
1114 [06:14:47] <judd> Backporting package ocrfeeder in
sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: gir1.2-goocanvas-2.0.
1115 [06:14:50] <jaggzt> eh
1116 [06:14:52] <jaggzt> oh
1117 [06:14:55] <jaggzt> ooh
1118 [06:14:58] <markybob> jaggzt: that's your problem
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1120 [06:15:05] <jaggzt> grr
1121 [06:15:13] <jaggzt> so I'd need to go to stretch?
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1124 [06:15:34] <markybob> jaggzt: if you really *need* it. but it
won't be supported here per /topic.
1125 [06:15:41] <jaggzt> (had some other stuff the other day that
led me to want to upgrade)
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1127 [06:15:59] <jaggzt> just don't feel like extra broken
things with the amount of stuff I have to do right now :)
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1129 [06:16:18] <jaggzt> okay.. well thanks.. I might just wait
then
1130 [06:16:32] <jaggzt> it's not urgent yet.. just was
exporting text as a searchable pdf.. it'll help when writing
reports
1131 [06:16:33] <markybob> jaggzt: stretch will freeze in december
so probably six months after that it'll be stable :P
1132 [06:16:41] <jaggzt> (scanned in some book pages.. but the
stuff's not selectable)
1133 [06:16:52] <jaggzt> I can just use adobe acrobat to make
those for now though
1134 [06:17:22] <jaggzt> markybob, heh.. okay.. well that'll
be a bit late.. I'll use adobe's ocr'ing then.. just
need to use my windows system each time :)
1135 [06:17:30] <jaggzt> thanks a lot for the help
1136 [06:17:58] <markybob> jaggzt: sure thing
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1139 [06:19:21] <jaggzt> :)
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1141 [06:20:45] <jaggzt> then I'll get a newer kde.. yay :)
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1167 [06:32:42] <bmomjian> Any idea why this vhost isn't
allowing SSI? It is in the same file as the default host that works,
and the error4.log file gets created and has the SSI errors.
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1181 [06:43:16] <otto___> Greetings everyone!
1182 [06:44:20] <otto___> I recently dist-upgraded two systems
(dekstop & laptop) to jessie. Now on my laptop NetworkManager
refuses to start due to "undefined symbol:
nl_object_get_type".
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1186 [06:45:18] <otto___> Both have the same set of libnl
-packages installed. I even tried --reinstalling all of those,
including network-manager, but no effect. Any suggestions what to
try next?
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1195 [06:49:37] <markybob> otto___: not really. want to pastebin
your sources.list?
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1199 [06:50:37] <markybob> otto___: google seems lacking as well.
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1200 [06:50:52] <otto___> Indeed
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1202 [06:51:13] <otto___> Both use an identical sources list, so
there shouldn't be a problem.
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1207 [06:53:11] <otto___> And sources list is only the finnish
official mirror with main, non-free and contrib +
security.debian.org jessie/updates
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1212 [06:54:34] <markybob> otto___: so give us an apt-cache policy
network-manager
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1214 [06:56:30] <markybob> otto___: i still want your sources
though
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1216 [06:56:48] <otto___>
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1217 [06:57:33] <otto___>
replaced-url
1218 [06:57:37] <markybob> otto___: why is it 950?
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1223 [06:58:31] <otto___> because of Pin-Priority: 950 in
preferences.d
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1225 [06:58:48] <otto___> But that applies to *, so there
shouldn't be a problem
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1228 [06:59:07] <markybob> otto___: so you have some kind of
frankendebian?
1229 [06:59:25] <markybob> otto___: we can't support that
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1231 [07:00:57] <jmcnaught> otto___: for future reference
disabling pinning must be done before doing a release upgrade.
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1232 [07:01:15] <jmcnaught> otto___: do you have any other repos
in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ?
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1234 [07:02:58] <otto___> I've backports pinned at 100, and
as an afterthought that wasn't a very good idea during
dist-upgrade :P However, the situtation is identical on both
systems, and the other one survived just fine
1235 [07:03:12] <otto___> jmcnaught: there's google and
dropbox repos
1236 [07:03:51] <markybob> otto___: yeah there you go.
frankendebian
1237 [07:03:55] <markybob> !frankendebian
1238 [07:03:56] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
1239 [07:04:23] <jmcnaught> otto___: manually pinning backports is
unnecesarry, by default packages will only be installed from
backports if you use "-t jessie-backports" in the apt-get
command.
1240 [07:04:48] <jmcnaught> otto___: you could try reinstalling
the network-manager package to see if that helps
1241 [07:05:42] <otto___> I'm quite aware that I'm on my
own in this situation. My question was probably more in the
direction, how would I find out which library ought to provide a
symbol.
1242 [07:06:17] <markybob> otto___: if google has no idea we
probably won't be able to help
1243 [07:06:54] <otto___> Haven't found a .so yet on my
functioning system that would provide that nl_object_get_type
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1245 [07:07:48] <markybob> otto___: i'm not sure of which
part of "we don't support frankendebian because you fucked
up" you don't really get
1246 [07:08:28] <otto___> I get the message. No need to get mad
about it.
1247 [07:08:42] <otto___> Afterall, it's my problem. Not
yours.
1248 [07:10:49] <jmcnaught> otto___: i hope you figure it out. i
don't know how to narrow it down really, but it will likely be
in one of the three libnl packages that network-manager depends on:
libnl-3-200, libnl-genl-3-200, libnl-route-3-200.
1249 [07:11:42] <otto___> nl_ prefix also refers to netlink.
I've tried reinstalling those too, and versions match
one-to-one between the systems. But no success yet.
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1251 [07:12:24] <vortek> does debian notify u of a usb drive being
pluged in?
1252 [07:12:34] <vortek> or offer u to browse it?
1253 [07:12:52] <markybob> vortek: sure. every GUI does.
1254 [07:13:00] <jmcnaught> vortek: it will depend on the desktop
environment you're using, but most will do that
1255 [07:13:07] <vortek> kde
1256 [07:13:12] <markybob> vortek: yes
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1259 [07:14:23] <vortek> cuase dmesg show its connected but kde
does nothing
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1261 [07:14:58] <vortek> any ideas?
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1266 [07:18:06] <vortek> ah other usb i get notified
1267 [07:18:16] <vortek> this usb is a bad drive
1268 [07:19:09] <jmcnaught> otto___: You could also try with a
fresh set of conf files in /etc/NetworkManager, ask dpkg bot about
"confmiss" and/or "confnew" for info on how to
do that. Maybe there are some clues in the apt or dpkg logs in
/var/log, a warning or something.
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1273 [07:25:21] <jmcnaught> otto___: that symbol is in
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnl-3.so.200. "readelf -Ws
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnl-3.so.200 | grep nl_object_get_type"
(i used "ldd /usr/sbin/NetworkManager" to get the list of
shared objects that are linked)
1274 [07:25:24] <otto___> Now I think I found it... I had a older
version of libnl-3.so.200 in /usr/local/lib lying around from some
old compiling needs. Jessie apparently prioritized that location
before /lib
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1276 [07:25:46] <otto___> Yea... I found out that too:
00000000000118f0 T nl_object_get_type :)
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1278 [07:26:00] <jmcnaught> otto___: nice :)
1279 [07:26:49] <otto___> And the outliar in /usr/local/lib
doesn't define that symbol. Excellent.
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1281 [07:27:32] <jmcnaught> otto___: might be time to get rid of
some/all stuff in there anyways
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1285 [07:29:21] <otto___> Would be a good idea. A few years ago I
did some developing that required specific versions of libnl and eg.
libtins, which isn't (or atleast wasn't) packaged in
debian
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1288 [07:30:28] <otto___> Having them under $HOME would be one
way, but linking system services to a userdir isn't too good
either
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1290 [07:31:26] <otto___> Luckily I don't have to
dist-upgrade too often :P
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1292 [07:31:43] <pierre365> hi
1293 [07:31:52] <z8z> Hello i have a fresh debian install.... .how
to configure it as an http proxy to use that IP to navigate?
1294 [07:32:14] <otto___> (And yes. It's working now)
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1298 [07:32:28] <jmcnaught> otto___: i'm glad you figured it
out
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1304 [07:33:33] <grawity> z8z: install Squid
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1313 [07:37:24] <z8z> grawity: then maybe configuring might be a
little difficult
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1316 [07:37:38] <z8z> grawity: otherwise a remote desktop would be
ok too
1317 [07:38:02] <z8z> grawity: but there is no good remote desktop
afaik
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1324 [07:39:00] <pierre365> i'm trying to understand the
output of lspci -t. For example, I have the following output:
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1328 [07:41:15] <grawity> it's domain:bus:slot.function
1329 [07:41:33] <grawity> so you have all those devices on PCI bus
0000:00
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1331 [07:41:52] <grawity> however the "slot" numbers
rarely correspond to physical ones
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1335 [07:44:34] <pierre365> so for the network card for example,
what does "02.2-[04-08]----00.0-[05-08]--" means? does it
means the 4 connection are using the same slot? in anycase, if i got
your answer correctly, they all use the same bus (so if my bus is
limited to lets say 32Gbps, the maximum speed i can get from my
network is 32Gbps, right?)
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1340 [07:46:00] <pierre365> grawity: what i dont understand is,
which value of "slot.function" should i read?
1341 [07:46:25] <venkat_330> Is there ome way where i can give
temporary admin right to linux user ...
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1411 [08:33:39] <pragomer_1> how would you create a system image
(like windows-users with acronis for example) of a dmcrypt/luks
200GB debian partition? dd? clonezilla? something else?
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1419 [08:38:08] <bmomjian> markybob: how do I increase my SSL
grade?
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1421 [08:39:09] <bmomjian> I put my intermediate certificates in
the same PEM file as my server certificate, but the website checker
still says it is an extra download.
1422 [08:39:29] <grawity> the checker doesn't care about
which files it's in
1423 [08:39:38] <grawity> I mean, how would it even know
1424 [08:39:58] <grawity> rather, it's complaining that the
certificate is there *at all*
1425 [08:40:14] <grawity> i.e. your server is sending too many
certs
1426 [08:40:23] <bmomjian> wow
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1428 [08:40:28] <grawity> maybe one of those intermediates is
actually a root?
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1480 [08:57:31] <lxsameer> how can i find out that what executable
files does a deb provides
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1490 [09:01:57] <grawity> lxsameer: dpkg-deb --contents foo.deb |
grep bin
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1492 [09:02:31] <lxsameer> grawity, thanks man
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1495 [09:03:45] <grawity> bmomjian: I tested with gnutls-cli
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1497 [09:03:57] <grawity> bmomjian: the problem is that your cert
is issued by "RapidSSL CA G3"
1498 [09:04:07] <grawity> bmomjian: but the intermediate you send
is "RapidSSL CA G4"
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1501 [09:06:06] <grawity> also I guess I was mistaken about what
SSLLabs means by "Extra download"
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1505 [09:11:08] <bmomjian> oh, OK, I am getting a new certificate
this week and will check they match, thanks
1506 [09:11:23] <bmomjian> how did you see that?
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1509 [09:13:30] <grawity> `gnutls-cli momjian.us`
1510 [09:13:35] <grawity> + visual grep
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1522 [09:18:37] <jmcnaught> bmomjian: Once you get the certificate
straightened out, Mozilla's config generator can be pretty
helpful, especially for stuff like SSLCipherSuite
replaced-url
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1531 [09:21:45] <bmomjian> wow
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1547 [09:31:50] <z8z> How to hide original IP in squid when using
http proxy?
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1557 [09:37:03] <MaBunny> Hey guys im speaking frm my phone while
installing debian on my computet
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1562 [09:37:53] <MaBunny> I hav used the debian live cd for gnome
and while installing ive run into a problem
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1565 [09:38:36] <MaBunny> The installer asks me to give a swap
space to my hard drive
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1569 [09:38:58] <MaBunny> But i dont kno wht or where to do it
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1573 [09:39:44] <MaBunny> Should i give the mount point as /swap
or is there an option for it???
1574 [09:40:23] <MaBunny> I hav created a 200mb partition for
giving swap space
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1576 [09:40:47] <grawity> swap space doesn't have any
mountpoint
1577 [09:40:58] <grawity> though, I don't remember what the
installer has
1578 [09:41:05] <grawity> I think there was a special option?
1579 [09:41:08] <Ticho> use "none" in fstab
1580 [09:41:26] <MaBunny> No i am in the installer guys
1581 [09:41:57] <MaBunny> I mean is there any option in the
installer to giv swap space??
1582 [09:42:19] <Ticho> sure, just create a block device for swap
1583 [09:42:36] <MaBunny> I hav created one
1584 [09:43:10] <MaBunny> But wht do i do to let the installer kno
its the swap space
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1586 [09:43:49] <Ticho> I think it was in the filesystem type
choice, or something like that
1587 [09:44:08] <MaBunny> I hav used ext4
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1590 [09:44:57] <MaBunny> Also in the root partition do i set the
bootable flag to 'on' ???
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1595 [09:46:14] <moozer> the filesystem type must be swap, not
ext4
1596 [09:46:35] <MaBunny> Ok
1597 [09:46:59] <moozer> Does anyone have suggestion on how to
limit nfsd to a specific interface?
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1599 [09:47:10] <grawity> iptables >_>
1600 [09:47:30] <MaBunny> Should it hav a bootable flag as
'on' ??
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1604 [09:48:27] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: if you are using the entire
harddrive, then the installer has a "guided paritioning"
feature that sets all of this up for you
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1607 [09:49:03] <MaBunny> Well i didnt select tht option
1608 [09:49:08] <nikitasius> helloworld!
1609 [09:49:09] <MaBunny> My bad
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1611 [09:50:07] <moozer> grawity: yes, that was my next move. Most
services can bind to specific interface, but apparently not rpc
stuff
1612 [09:50:13] <MaBunny> Can u guys help me in the right
direction, i want to set it up on my own
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1614 [09:51:20] <MaBunny> So i guess the root partition has
bootable flag as on,right??
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1620 [09:53:43] <MaBunny> Guys??
1621 [09:53:58] <moozer> looking...
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1624 [09:54:40] <moozer> I'm in doubt if it is /boot that
needs it :-)
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1626 [09:55:04] <grawity> yes, /boot needs it, / doesn't
1627 [09:55:19] <grawity> your BIOS, or EFI, doesn't care
about / at all
1628 [09:55:21] <MaBunny> All i want to kno is does the root and
swap partitions both need bootable flag as 'on'. Pls tell
me
1629 [09:55:38] <moozer> For me it takes 20 minutes to install
debian from scratch, so if this is your fist time - just install
whatever, and be prepared to reinstall if you have done something
wrong.
1630 [09:55:54] <moozer> not swap
1631 [09:56:13] <moozer> If you only have swap and root, set root
bootable
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1633 [09:56:46] <MaBunny> Sorry if i provoke someone,but its
really my first time i am installing an os on my own
1634 [09:57:05] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: you can also go back in the
installer, so you could go back and select guided partitioning, and
then go back again do manual and see/edit what it has done
1635 [09:57:24] <MaBunny> I had it done by the installer
earlier,so i wanted to learn something :)
1636 [09:57:43] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: if this is your first time
you will save time by reading/skimming the install manual:
replaced-url
1637 [09:58:03] <MaBunny> Thnx :)
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1639 [09:58:16] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: we often see people in here
wasting hours/days through trial and error when they could have just
looked at the manual to see how to do it properly
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1641 [09:59:08] <MaBunny> Ok thnx for showing me the guide :)
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1650 [10:05:39] <Iridos> moozer, fascinating... I thought we had
an nfs that only faces inwards... but seems we are relying on
iptables
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1658 [10:07:04] <moozer> Iridos: I am looking at my iptalbes now
... libvirt has made a wall of rules, and I considering how to do a
"ssh only from outside" ruleset while keeping my libvirt
networks...
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1667 [10:08:43] <sakal> hi. is it possible to pair headphones by
NFC method in debian? I want to attach my headphones with NFC
support to my laptop with NFC support to pair they
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1674 [10:12:46] <Iridos> moozer, heh, I just googled... seems the
recommended way is to use LD_PRELOAD ... that might turn out to be a
mite little difficult if one uses the in-kernel nfsd, though
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1688 [10:21:25] <Iridos> moozer, maybe like
replaced-url
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1696 [10:27:18] <moozer> Iridos: From 2011 - are there some
differences in ports for nfs3 vs nfs4?
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1698 [10:27:48] <moozer> Iridos: my problem is easier - I only
want nfs towars my internal virtual machine networks.
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1736 [10:45:58] <pasjdopa> hi
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1818 [11:29:50] <Aliekezhi> hi, any idea of an existing fork from
acidlab / acidbase ?
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1853 [11:47:33] <tako> Hello
1854 [11:48:00] <tako> should i install nvidia driver after the
bumblebee ?
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1859 [11:48:30] <tako> how can i detect my nvidia driver version
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1866 [11:52:47] <nkuttler> tako: nvidia-settings
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1873 [11:55:15] <tako> nkuttler, with bumblebee its not opening
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1875 [11:55:38] <nkuttler> tako: apt-cache policy nvidia-driver
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1877 [11:57:00] <tako> nvidia-driver:
1878 [11:57:00] <tako> Installed: 340.96-1
1879 [11:57:00] <tako> Candidate: 340.96-1
1880 [11:57:15] <nkuttler> no need to paste that in here
1881 [11:57:18] <tako> but my game on steam want to min 350.00
driver
1882 [11:57:27] <nkuttler> ,v nvidia-driver
1883 [11:57:28] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 --
wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free:
340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1;
stretch/non-free: 352.79-3; sid/non-free: 352.79-4;
experimental/non-free: 355.11-2
1884 [11:57:38] <nkuttler> !tell tako about backports
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1886 [11:58:06] <tako> nkuttler, if i install new driver from
jessie backports its will be work with bumblebee ?
1887 [11:59:02] <nkuttler> tako: no idea. backported
kernels/drivers can break stuff
1888 [11:59:07] <bazhang> ,v nvidia-prime
1889 [11:59:08] <judd> No package named 'nvidia-prime'
was found in amd64.
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1892 [11:59:37] <nkuttler> tako: worse case you just remove them
and install the stable ones
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1915 [12:09:43] <Deele> hello
1916 [12:09:46] <Deele> I have multiple projects residing in my
~/projects directory. I want to create each developer single ftp
account, and add one or more subdirectories from ~/projects to
accessible directories from ftp account. I'm thinking about
some sort of ~/ftp_homes/john directories and put symlinks of
~/projects inside each ftp account inside ~/ftp_homes. I did that,
but FTP do not understand symlinks as
1917 [12:09:46] <Deele> directories. What should I do?
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1924 [12:11:00] <alexbligh1> I'm seeing an issue upgrading a
debian system Squeeze -> Jessie, and Cyrus imapd from 2.2 to 2.4.
For reasons related to postfix, packages were left half configured.
Now having fixed that, when I try to dpkg --configure cyrus, I see
"db5.1_upgrade: /var/lib/cyrus/deliver.db: unrecognized file
type". Full output here:
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1936 [12:17:18] <themill> alexbligh1: are you actually upgrading
squeeze→jessie in one step?
1937 [12:17:37] <alexbligh1> themill, sorry, squeeze to wheezy
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1939 [12:17:42] <Deele> For my problem, does this solution is
useful?
replaced-url
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1961 [12:32:31] <agemaniac> i have a text file with around 500k
urls, and i would like to write another file with those urls that
return a status code different than 200, how can i do this?
1962 [12:33:23] <agemaniac> i tried to do it in python, but its
too slow
1963 [12:33:50] <agemaniac> and i know in wget theres an option to
do parallel requests.. but thats all i know :s
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1969 [12:37:21] <petemc> agemaniac: curl has an option to do
parellel connections
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1974 [12:38:54] <petemc> agemaniac:
replaced-url
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1977 [12:40:28] <agemaniac> thanks petemc :)
1978 [12:40:48] <petemc> that uses xargs to do multiple requests
1979 [12:41:04] <petemc> it seems i imagined curls inbuilt ability
to do it
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1987 [12:44:32] <nikitasius> petemc: handy script, nice!
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1998 [12:50:17] <zerodrama> bash script is not setting variables
1999 [12:50:49] <markybob> zerodrama: might want to ask #bash
2000 [12:51:06] <zerodrama> thx
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2005 [12:52:14] <MaBunny> Is codeblocks there for debian??
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2007 [12:52:39] <markybob> ,v codeblocks
2008 [12:52:40] <judd> Package: codeblocks on amd64 -- wheezy:
10.05-2.1; jessie-backports: 13.12-3.1~bpo8+1; sid: 13.12+dfsg-4;
stretch: 13.12+dfsg-4
2009 [12:53:15] <MaBunny> Ok, i can apt-get it but
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2011 [12:53:36] <MaBunny> My password(root) is 15 chars long
2012 [12:53:51] <MaBunny> How do i write it all?
2013 [12:53:54] <kale> hi, i want to disable the ctrl+alt+f8 to
jump to that screen. i would expect to do that in /etc/inittab, but
cannot find that file. Any hint on how i do that?
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2015 [12:54:12] <markybob> MaBunny: i have no idea how that could
matter or what you're talking about
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2023 [12:54:54] <MaBunny> I mean the sudo request a new pssword
everytime b4 i complete writing my password
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2031 [12:57:15] <MaBunny> Is there a way to let sudo wait for some
moment longer b4 i finish writing my pssword???
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2037 [12:58:56] <ntz> MaBunny: can you elaborate it bit further,
maybe some language barrier around the phrase ``sudo request a new
pssword everytime b4 i complete writing my password''
2038 [12:59:15] <kale> or in other words: how do i disable vt8 ?
2039 [12:59:59] <MaBunny> I think i cant do a lot of work if im
unable to complete writing my whole 15 character pssword when i type
sudo apt....
2040 [13:00:00] <ntz> kale:
replaced-url
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2045 [13:00:47] <ntz> MaBunny: I have to test it :D ... I never
noticed that sudo has no patience
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2048 [13:01:29] <MaBunny> I mean i type su,then i begin writing my
pssword,then b4 im able to write the whole password sudo ask again
for the password
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2050 [13:01:59] <MaBunny> It goes for 3 times b4 it goes to the
command line
2051 [13:02:11] <t4nk330> Hi! Special question relating to ACL
2052 [13:02:24] <t4nk330> mkdir /tmp/testfolder
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2055 [13:02:55] <t4nk330> setfacl -R -m d:u::rwx,d:g::rwx,d::-
/tmp/testfolder
2056 [13:03:16] <MaBunny> I also couldnt apt-cache search
codeblocks,didnt find it in the list
2057 [13:03:28] <MaBunny> Maybe it was my fault
2058 [13:03:35] <t4nk330> displaying acl through getfacl
/tmp/testfolder displays correct default acl
2059 [13:03:48] <kale> ntz: you searched for opensuse on duckgogo
for me?
2060 [13:03:48] <ntz> MaBunny: you type su and then sudo ???????
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2062 [13:03:59] <t4nk330> touch /tmp/testfolder/testfile
2063 [13:04:00] <ntz> kale: nope
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2067 [13:04:14] <t4nk330> -rw-rw---- 1 root root 0
Mär 2 12:54 testfile <--- why not adapted from
default acl??
2068 [13:04:35] <ntz> kale: &t=opensuse means that my client
os is suse and not deb
2069 [13:04:42] <markybob> MaBunny: the bot told you it's in
backports. so you have to follow these instructions to get it in
jessie
replaced-url
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2072 [13:05:05] <markybob> MaBunny: and that's not sudo.
that's su
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2075 [13:05:46] <ntz> MaBunny: show us please which exact command
you're trying to run
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2078 [13:07:23] <ntz> hmm, waiting already for several minutes:
sudo echo haha
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2080 [13:07:33] <markybob> yeah i've never had a problem
2081 [13:07:45] <ntz> my sudo doesn't kick me that I type
passwd too long
2082 [13:07:55] <ntz> and I have in this surely default settings
2083 [13:08:06] <ntz> testing in 7.9
2084 [13:08:24] <markybob> i don't know how we went from sudo
to su, though. i don't know what he's doing.
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2087 [13:09:12] <t4nk330> anyone pro with ACL?
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2089 [13:09:30] <MaBunny> Srry bad net
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2092 [13:09:51] <MaBunny> Can u help me guys???
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2094 [13:10:16] <ntz> MaBunny: again, I asked you to show us what
command exactly are you typing
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2098 [13:11:25] <MaBunny> sudo apt-get install codeblocks
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2100 [13:12:16] <MaBunny> It isnt the cmmand,its sudo which is
impatient with d pssword
2101 [13:12:18] <markybob> MaBunny: did you follow the backports
instructions i linked you to so it could actually find codeblocks?
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2105 [13:12:36] <markybob> i don't know what to do with that
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2111 [13:12:54] <markybob> MaBunny: what's your native
tongue?
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2113 [13:13:06] <MaBunny> I guess i was logged off whn u gave me
2114 [13:13:12] <MaBunny> Bengali
2115 [13:13:15] <markybob> MaBunny: the bot told you it's in
backports. so you have to follow these instructions to get it in
jessie
replaced-url
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2117 [13:13:40] <MaBunny> Ok
2118 [13:13:40] <markybob> damn
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2123 [13:17:36] <MaBunny> But how do i let sudo wait long enough
to let me write my 15 character long password???
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2127 [13:17:55] <markybob> MaBunny: i've never heard of such
a thing
2128 [13:18:25] <MaBunny> I hav described my problem earlier
2129 [13:18:29] <bazhang> MaBunny, how long does it take for you
to do that
2130 [13:18:30] <markybob> MaBunny: can you su instead of sudo?
2131 [13:18:30] <Rephlexie> mabunny, lookup visudo
timestamp_timeout ?
2132 [13:18:38] <markybob> yes i know
2133 [13:18:51] <t4nk330> when i create a file in a folder that
has assigned default acl, why the file does not adapt the acl from
the parent target?
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2135 [13:19:03] <MaBunny> Guys??
2136 [13:19:05] <bazhang> markybob, is sudo -i supported in
debian?
2137 [13:19:18] <MaBunny> 6 seconds
2138 [13:19:26] <markybob> bazhang: yes
2139 [13:19:26] <bazhang> MaBunny, how long
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2142 [13:19:46] <bazhang> MaBunny, sudo will NOT time out in six
seconds
2143 [13:19:48] <MaBunny> 6 sec
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2149 [13:20:28] <themill> Accidentally hitting Ctrl+J or Ctrl+M
there?
2150 [13:20:40] <Rephlexie> MaBunny, dont think sudo times out
like that as baz said, its something else.
2151 [13:20:43] <MaBunny> I type sudo,then i write my pssword,but
b4 typing the first 8 letters it asks again for password
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2154 [13:21:20] <MaBunny> Then wht can it be,it happened in the
earlier non debian system too
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2156 [13:21:42] <Rephlexie> you add your user via visudo MaBunny
ALL=(ALL) etc etc?
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2159 [13:21:57] <alphanet> hello
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2162 [13:22:25] <anonkun> does doing apt-get install
"nvidia-driver' install the nonfree driver ?
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2164 [13:22:50] <Billias> I am trying to preseed debian
2165 [13:22:52] <Billias> using (not CD-rom) but
replaced-url
2166 [13:22:56] <Billias> i cannot find the proper preseed setting
for http mirror
2167 [13:22:57] <markybob> anonkun: unfortunately
2168 [13:22:59] <MaBunny> Wait
2169 [13:22:59] <MaBunny> Ok,wht is the command?
2170 [13:23:18] <anonkun> markybob: thanks, but I have no other
choice on this hardware.
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2172 [13:24:07] <markybob> anonkun: before you do it...are you on
jessie, stable?
2173 [13:24:22] <anonkun> yes
2174 [13:24:23] <themill> Billias: mirror settings are in the
example-preseed.txt
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2176 [13:24:39] <Billias> themill: on repository?
2177 [13:24:50] <markybob> anonkun: okay. good luck.
2178 [13:25:01] <anonkun> thanks, I dont need to activate
backports for this right?
2179 [13:25:02] <themill> Billias: that's the documentation
for preseeding;
replaced-url
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2181 [13:25:13] <markybob> anonkun: no
2182 [13:25:20] <anonkun> okay
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2187 [13:27:32] <t4nk330> problem with default acl. why the newly
created file, does not get the acl from parent directory?
replaced-url
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2203 [13:31:03] <Billias> themill: I copied the example and still
asks for CDro
2204 [13:31:23] <MaBunny> Ok guys i typed visudo avra ALL = ALL
but it says 'command not found'
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2208 [13:32:14] <rafalcpp> is it possible to check, regarding the
yesterday's attack on SSL, if our server (apache, postfix,
dovecot, etc) was compromised (was the key leaked) or was it
attacked or anything?
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2210 [13:33:34] <themill> Billias: what are you actually doing?
2211 [13:33:47] <markybob> rafalcpp: probably not. you did
update/restart those services?
2212 [13:33:54] <MaBunny> Guys???
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2215 [13:34:31] <markybob> MaBunny: you're talking nonsense.
visudo can only be run as root or under sudo. and no one has heard
of sudo doing what you're describing
2216 [13:34:59] <markybob> MaBunny: plus that visudo command was
insane. that's what you put in the file not in the command
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2224 [13:40:14] <veek> what's that tool to automount stuff
2225 [13:40:38] <veek> usb (not autofs - part of the devfs thingy)
2226 [13:40:48] <themill> udisks2
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2228 [13:41:11] <themill> (well, some wrapper around it that your
gui will actually use)
2229 [13:41:21] <alphanet> I reported a bug on the
wheezy-backports kernel 3.16, apparently to src:linux; does that
mean that jessie will also get a fix sometime? because the bug is
also confirmed on jessie. Or should I do something specific to flag
the bug is also on jessie?
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2236 [13:46:24] <wdouglass> i want to let non-root users
manipulate the iptables firewall in limited ways. my program is
setuid, and uses execl to call the iptables binary. even when the
program is setuid root, i get this error message
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2238 [13:46:30] <wdouglass> iptables v1.4.21: can't
initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must
be root)
2239 [13:46:38] <wdouglass> what am i missing?
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2241 [13:46:45] <markybob> root
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2243 [13:47:22] <wdouglass> i understand that. I'm trying to
let my users open and close a single port. how can I accomplish this
without giving my users root?
2244 [13:47:23] <MaBunny> I got the solution
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2247 [13:47:39] <alphanet> wdouglass: your setuid program should
do a seteuid(getuid()) or something like this; however you could do
it through a clever config of sudo
2248 [13:48:03] <alphanet> wdouglass: a setuid program is
something generally risky: use sudo instead, with a group limitation
and a command limitation
2249 [13:48:09] <wdouglass> yea, i've thought about sudo...
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2294 [14:09:23] <salviaD> can I still insert my own lines in
rc.local, on jessie? Or it is not using this startup script anymore?
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2296 [14:09:56] <markybob> !rc.local
2297 [14:09:56] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local is a script called by
/etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be
run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at
boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local).
rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script
instead, ask me about <init.d>.
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2299 [14:10:49] <wdouglass> markybob: haha i was just typing up a
very similar explanation to dpkg's...dpkg always seems to know
way more then i give it credit for
2300 [14:10:54] <salviaD> so yeah, it is still on the game
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2309 [14:13:14] <salviaD> in this answer
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2310 [14:13:32] <markybob> salviaD: hell no
2311 [14:13:39] <wdouglass> !interfaces
2312 [14:13:40] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file
/etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for
documentation, "zless
/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for
example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a
and ifdown -a respectively.
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2314 [14:13:50] <markybob> salviaD: yeah. that ^
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2319 [14:15:18] <salviaD> markybob: but I need resolv.conf to work
on a RO fs
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2321 [14:15:54] <markybob> salviaD: what's your point?
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2323 [14:16:06] <wdouglass> make resolv.conf a symbolic link to
something in a ramfs?
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2327 [14:16:25] <teraflops> !xy
2328 [14:16:25] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
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2329 [14:16:43] <wdouglass> lol
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2332 [14:17:21] <salviaD> the system is read only and it gotta
work on different lan connections
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2335 [14:18:13] <wdouglass> salviaD:
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2336 [14:18:27] <markybob> salviaD: how can you edit rc.local but
not the interfaces file?
2337 [14:18:31] <wdouglass> there's a package for that...use
resolveconf
2338 [14:18:46] <salviaD> only install the pckg and I am done?
2339 [14:18:50] <wdouglass> yup
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2341 [14:19:02] <wdouglass> (and set up /etc/network/interfaces)
2342 [14:20:34] <teraflops> salviaD: maybe it helps
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2344 [14:20:49] <teraflops> the "...or dinamic part"
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2360 [14:28:04] <z8z> How to hide original IP in squid when using
http proxy?
2361 [14:28:12] <gusgus> hello
2362 [14:28:18] <gusgus> !list
2363 [14:28:18] <dpkg> gusgus: vedi
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2366 [14:29:17] <markybob> z8z: ask #squid
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2382 [14:34:46] * Gaijin wonders what-all needs to be manually
configured to get rid of avahi-daemon and what may be possibly
required for system upkeep., or at least where to ask a question
like this.
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2385 [14:35:59] <markybob> Gaijin: i don't have avahi-daemon.
i'm fine.
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2388 [14:36:28] <masonjar99> .
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2390 [14:37:06] <masonjar99> Hey so im trying to install ubuntu on
an empty hdd with no os. I've got a bootable usb stick, and i
know the iso used to create it is not corrupted. The error i get
when i try to install ubuntu is: "mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on
//filesystem.squashfs failed: No such device Can not mount
/dev/loop0 "
2391 [14:37:13] <humbobble> who hates avahi, it's so handy
2392 [14:37:23] <markybob> masonjar99: ask #ubuntu it's not
supported here
2393 [14:37:41] <masonjar99> they didnt tell me anything
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2395 [14:37:51] <markybob> masonjar99: don't care. not
supported here
2396 [14:37:55] <masonjar99> Im not asking for an offical answer,
just curious if someone knows what the answer might be
2397 [14:38:09] <masonjar99> Take your little nerdy hard ass
attitude elsewhere lol
2398 [14:38:13] <markybob> !ubuntu
2399 [14:38:14] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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2402 [14:38:32] <markybob> masonjar99: take your ass elsewhere as
it's offtopic
2403 [14:38:43] <masonjar99> haha your pathetic
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2405 [14:38:49] <masonjar99> id kill myself if my life was as shit
as yours mate
2406 [14:38:49] <humbobble> hmm, i wonder why ubuntu people come
here
2407 [14:38:50] <markybob> you're*
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2409 [14:38:59] <asfav> Hi all, I installed debian on my Macbook
Pro (mid 2012) last week, rebooted, installed xfce4 and etc did a
startx, and it worked fine. Now, after rebooting the PC, it boots
but it gives me a black screen only (and the cursor seems frozen)
2410 [14:38:59] <masonjar99> see
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2412 [14:39:03] <asfav> what could this be?
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2414 [14:39:16] <blind> "ubuntu people" don't come
here. Impatient entitled people do
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2417 [14:39:28] <asfav> I now reinstalled debian, and installed
xfce again, did a startx and it works fine, but I am afraid that if
I reboot, it will happen the same
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2419 [14:39:40] <humbobble> ubuntu docs seem pretty good,
generally
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2424 [14:41:07] <jaggzt> how do I install a python module in
debian? I want to install goocanvas's latest version
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2426 [14:41:16] <jaggzt> but there's no pacman, except a game
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2435 [14:42:53] <fireba11> jaggzt: search packages.debian.org if
there is a package including the module you want
2436 [14:43:01] <humbobble> .v python-pygoocanvas
2437 [14:43:15] <humbobble> ,v python-pygoocanvas
2438 [14:43:17] <judd> Package: python-pygoocanvas on amd64 --
squeeze: 0.14.1-1+b1; wheezy: 0.14.1-1+b3; jessie: 0.14.1-1+b3; sid:
0.14.1-1.1; stretch: 0.14.1-1.1
2439 [14:43:37] <jaggzt> hm
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2442 [14:43:47] <humbobble> apt rules :)
2443 [14:44:08] <jaggzt> ,checkbackport ocrfeeder
2444 [14:44:12] <judd> Backporting package ocrfeeder in
sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: gir1.2-goocanvas-2.0.
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2446 [14:44:30] <markybob> jaggzt: i thought we covered this
yesterday
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2448 [14:44:40] <asfav> I rebooted and it happend the same,
hwoever, I disabled lightdm on boot, rebooted, doing a startx works
fine, then, doing a systemctl start lightdm, gives me a black screen
2449 [14:44:42] <asfav> any idea?
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2451 [14:44:45] * Gaijin sighs, wondering why the `/LIST *network*`
command no longer works in irssi.
2452 [14:45:02] <jaggzt> markybob, I decided I wanted to see if I
could get the latest goocanvas installed itself, with python itself
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2457 [14:45:21] <jaggzt> maybe that would work, satisfying the
goocanvas needs for ocrfeeder, without needing to go to unstable
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2467 [14:48:06] <jaggzt> I should just go to unstable and hope
2468 [14:48:20] <jaggzt> dpkg sid?
2469 [14:48:20] <dpkg> hmm... sid is the codename for
<unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys.
The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to
keep ALL the pieces!!
2470 [14:48:40] <markybob> jaggzt: remember unstable isn't
supported here.
2471 [14:48:55] <jaggzt> :(
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2475 [14:50:30] <jaggzt> #debian-next is invite only
2476 [14:50:32] <jaggzt> heh
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2478 [14:50:47] <markybob> jaggzt: wrong network. it's on
irc.oftc.net
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2480 [14:51:03] <jaggzt> ohh
2481 [14:51:05] <jaggzt> tx
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2484 [14:51:37] <asfav> Anyone?
2485 [14:52:25] <humbobble> reminds me of the nomodeset issue
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2488 [14:52:41] <asfav> but doing a startx from tty works fine
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2490 [14:52:48] <asfav> lightdm seems to be the issue
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2492 [14:53:01] <humbobble> ah
2493 [14:53:19] <asfav> also xorg.logs doesnt seem to have any
errors
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2497 [14:54:49] <asfav> lightdm's log gives me CRITICAL *:
session_get_login1_session_id: assertion 'session != NULL'
failed
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2502 [14:56:37] <TomTomTosch> asfav, have you already tried to
reconfigure lightdm?
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2506 [14:57:06] <asfav> TomTomTosch: yes
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2510 [14:58:09] <asfav> it seems that systemctl start lightdm (or
manually runnign lightdm) both gives me the same error, black screen
+ cursor not blinking
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2514 [14:58:36] <asfav> check bug reports on debian, nothing
related
2515 [14:59:02] <MrKeuner> hi, Wheezy here: sudo apt-get
--reinstall install virtualbox virtualbox-dkms fails. What can I do
to fix?
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2517 [14:59:28] <MrKeuner> somewhere around
/var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/vboxdrv/r0drv/linux/memobj-r0drv-linux.c:
In function ‘rtR0MemObjNativeMapUser’:
2518 [14:59:45] <MrKeuner> error: ‘VM_RESERVED’
undeclared (first use in this function)
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2528 [15:03:56] <asfav> Hmm, this is odd. The same happens with
Slim
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2546 [15:09:42] <d3c0> !hi
2547 [15:09:43] <dpkg> hello, d3c0
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2554 [15:10:24] <DoctorD90> ??? why have I quited? ...bha...
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2556 [15:10:56] <DoctorD90> guys, how may I check if a bin is the
same of repo? ...rkhunter warns me about LDD...i would check if it
is the same of repos
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2575 [15:21:40] <TomTomTosch> DoctorD90, not sure i understood you
correctly, but you can use aptitude why-not <pkg> to see with
which packages on your system <pkg> conflicts.
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2579 [15:22:27] <DoctorD90> TomTomTosch, i runned rkhunter, it
says gives a warn on LDD command
2580 [15:22:36] <DoctorD90> i would check integrity for that
command
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2582 [15:23:14] <DoctorD90> this: /usr/bin/ldd [ Warning ]
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2586 [15:26:12] <ntz> DoctorD90: rkhunter is ridiculously useless
.... if you wish something real that works with better effectivity
than say 10%, use something like nessus scan or so
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2589 [15:27:19] <humbobble> i guess you could check md5sum of the
online package against yours in /var/cache/apt/archives, then
compare the files it contains with your installed executable
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2592 [15:28:07] <humbobble> it's in libc-bin, which i think
has been upgraded recently
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2594 [15:31:31] <ntz> humbobble: generally said, I would rather
listen to toilet voices than to rkhunter .... when rkhunter says
that there's some warning on ldd, you can be 98% sure, that
everything (except rkhunter) is fine
2595 [15:31:45] <TomTomTosch> check is done on install anyway and
you need root to change that file.
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2612 [15:41:59] <TomTomTosch> DoctorD90, otherwise there is the
debsums tool for verification of installed packages.
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2617 [15:44:44] <jelly> ntz, DoctorD90: rkhunter (and chkrootkit)
and free nessus have loads of false positives, use their results as
a guideline. I think rkhunter can be tuned to ignore issues
you've verified to be false positive.
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2619 [15:45:22] <bezaban> rkhunter can be tuned and
'should' be hooked into apt or manually run
2620 [15:45:28] <bezaban> after software updates
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2627 [15:47:05] <TomTomTosch> DoctorD90, just to answer your
initial question, ´debsums libc-bin | grep /usr/bin/ldd´
to test the integrity of that file against the debian repo md5.
2628 [15:48:18] <fishxz> hey, should gnome-software work in debian
stretch? a few weeks ago i was able to find/install packages over
gnome-software, but a few days later everything disappeared, like it
was before.
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2630 [15:48:42] <nkuttler> fishxz: by definition, nothing is
suppsed to work in testing
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2632 [15:49:02] <nkuttler> !tell fishxz about debian-next
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2634 [15:49:08] <fishxz> nkuttler: thats why im asking ;) maybe
someone can confirm
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2636 [15:49:20] <fishxz> oh, im sorry
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2660 [16:05:07] <jdavila> hi i have this error on my syslog. Mar 1
10:09:01 samba CRON[3078]: Fallo de autenticación . what coud
it be?
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2662 [16:05:58] <blind> Sounds like something samba related you
have in a cron job failed to authorize
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2668 [16:09:22] <DoctorD90> ntz as jelly said, it is good to get
some check from system....a guideline.... :) and yes, i have
aspected some false positive :D
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2670 [16:09:57] <DoctorD90> TomTomTosch, thx! probably this was
what i was looking for! i go to check :D
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2673 [16:11:35] <noid-> jdavila: hay un fallo de autenticacion en
samba. Verificate que credenciales esta usando ese CRON
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2675 [16:12:08] <jdavila> great
2676 [16:12:18] <DoctorD90> btw TomTomTosch i remember about some
command to retrieve info /hash of files inside packages, to get md5
:P
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2681 [16:13:41] <jdavila> the problem is that i cant log in the
system. and ssh refuse the connection. and i think is because that
CRON[3078
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2684 [16:15:03] <noid-> jdavila: samba and ssh use different
authentication mechanisms and accounts for that matter.
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2687 [16:15:41] <DoctorD90> btw guys...ok, i will learn about
nessus xD ....if you suggest that...i will learn :) thx :)
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2690 [16:16:27] <jdavila> o right noid- lent me see
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2749 [16:36:47] <boycottg00gle> i have a thinkpad x240 with i7 and
it looks like on battery the max freq isn't used? any hint?
(looks like it is related to intel_pstate but didn't find the
faq yet)
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2766 [16:41:27] <bumbar_> i've installed pm-utils on my
laptop, but then hibernate stopped working, so i've uninstalled
it and still doesn't work; when i put it to hibernate and then
turn it on, it doesn't boot properly so i have to restart it,
but it boots freshly. i'm using jessie (8.3) with encrypted
disk
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2769 [16:43:07] <Brigo> bumbar_, go to "Diagnose Shutdown
Problems" and try it:
replaced-url
2770 [16:43:11] <gdot> when copying a file with a longer name from
my local (Mate) desktop to a samba share I mounted using
"Connect to server" dialogue, the filename gets mangled to
something like "ILIG8G~3" at the target. This does not
happen when I copy files to the same (!) share mounted via (a quite
brief) entry in fstab. Any pointers to what might be the cause/fix
here?
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2775 [16:45:54] <Brigo> bumbar_, sorry that was for shutdown, not
hibernate. try this better:
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2781 [16:47:28] <zykotick9> bumbar_: just curious, are you using
"systemctl hibernate" to hibernate? also, by
"encrypted disk" do you mean encrypted lvm, or home
directory encryption (the later breaks hibernate by default)?
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2785 [16:47:45] <boycottg00gle> will try intel_pstate=disable
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2800 [16:52:58] <bumbar_> zykotick9, can't remember, i think
i've only encrypted home. hibernation was working prior to
installing pm-utils. no idea what is calls in background, but i
either press shortcut (fn + f1) or shutdown > hibernate in
shutdown menu
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2802 [16:56:17] <bumbar_> zykotick9, in dconf manager
org.mate.power-manager value for button-suspend=hibernate, if that
helps
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2810 [17:00:35] <bumbar_> Brigo, i've tried "# echo
reboot > /sys/power/disk # echo disk > /sys/power/state"
couple of times, and it works just fine
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2822 [17:04:41] <Fitzsimmons> is there a way to configure apt to
always use my configuration files instead of the package
maintainer's version?
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2837 [17:07:32] <malinux-> RoyK: hi
2838 [17:07:52] <blind> Fitzsimmons: you can pass along the dpkg
options for that, yes
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2841 [17:08:33] <Fitzsimmons> ah, right
2842 [17:08:40] <Fitzsimmons> looks like --force-confold
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2844 [17:08:44] <RoyK> hi all. I'm helping a friend,
malinux-, debug her computer. She did an mkinitramfs to update
those, and she extracted it to make sure /sbin/mdadm was there, and
it was, but then, when booting on the system, mdadm can't be
found, meaning it won't boot (since the root is on a mirror).
Any ideas?
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2847 [17:09:23] <blind> Fitzsimmons: yeah, the option for apt-get
would be: -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold
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2849 [17:09:44] <Fitzsimmons> thanks, I'll give that a shot
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2852 [17:10:40] <thurstylark> Just installed Jessie on a brand new
Dell OptiPlex 7040 with an i7 and skylake graphics, and I can't
get any graphical session to start. X complains about no screens,
and Weston says no drm device found.
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2870 [17:14:31] <M4GNV5> so i have a Samsung RF511 S08 notebook
with a Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) wifi however since today
i have very high response times even to my own router (google.com
mtr:
replaced-url
2871 [17:14:31] <M4GNV5> etc. :)
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2873 [17:14:40] <M4GNV5> ahh too long for IRC i assume, sry
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2923 [17:15:36] <M4GNV5> is this even the right channel to ask for
networking help? and hi btw
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2940 [17:16:59] <karlpinc> M4GNV5: Yup. This is the channel for
support on all things Debian.
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2943 [17:17:10] <karlpinc> M4GNV5: (Well, all things debian
stable.)
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2945 [17:17:32] <M4GNV5> k then i hope someone can help me here :)
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2950 [17:18:11] <karlpinc> M4GNV5: You may need patience.
Installed only debian packages or stuff from elsewhere?
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2952 [17:18:24] <RoyK> !ask | M4GNV5
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2957 [17:18:54] <karlpinc> RoyK: He did. (Although he didn't
say what "high" was.)
2958 [17:19:01] <M4GNV5> karlpinc, uhhm some minor packages like
tmate from elsewhere, nothing networking wise though afaik
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2961 [17:20:04] <karlpinc> M4GNV5: You're going to get in
trouble doing things like that.
2962 [17:20:14] <karlpinc> !tell M4GNV5 about don't break
debian
2963 [17:20:16] <RoyK> karlpinc, M4GNV5: sorry, didn't see
that
2964 [17:20:16] <karlpinc> M4GNV5: This is the wiki page.
replaced-url
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2970 [17:21:34] <karlpinc> M4GNV5: (Nobody here really wants to
look at pictures unless there's any other option.)
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2974 [17:22:41] <M4GNV5> karlpinc, basically it just shows that i
have an average ping of 1490ms to my local wifi router
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2976 [17:23:35] <M4GNV5> and regarding the wiki page i already
read that and tried the iw reg set thing, installing
module-init-tools atm
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2983 [17:26:09] <ZeloZelos> a am not new to linux, but have been
away for a while. i would like to do an install to usb, not
persistence, but an install, with login /password when the key is
booted from, did we ever work out a way to do it?
2984 [17:26:35] <M4GNV5> ohh right that just switched my wifi
off/on
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2986 [17:27:23] <TomTomTosch> M4GNV5, did you check if the
brcmsmac module was loaded?
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3003 [17:31:56] <karlpinc> ZeloZelos: You can get an image from
replaced-url
3004 [17:32:25] <ZeloZelos> oh it is? thats exectly what i need
thanks karlpinc
3005 [17:32:33] <TomTomTosch> M4GNV5, just restarting brcmsmac as
the wiki described did not work for me as i still had the wl driver
running. had loads of problems with that particular broadcom chipset
though.
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3010 [17:34:19] <TomTomTosch> M4GNV5, threw it away for an atheros
one ;D
3011 [17:34:39] <M4GNV5> TomTomTosch,
replaced-url
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3013 [17:35:32] <M4GNV5> is the line "Kernel driver in use:
bcma-pci-bridge" what it should be?
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3018 [17:37:31] <TomTomTosch> M4GNV5, ye, that looks right. the wl
driver didn't work for you?
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3021 [17:39:09] <M4GNV5> ill try, i guess ill have to remove the
other one?
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3023 [17:39:57] <Iridos> why is rtlwifi also loaded
3024 [17:40:04] <TomTomTosch> M4GNV5, you have to unload them.
that's step 3 in the wiki.
3025 [17:40:56] <TomTomTosch> Iridos, he, didn't even notice
that.
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3028 [17:41:30] <Iridos> M4GNV5, any idea why rtlwifi is also
loaded?
3029 [17:41:47] <M4GNV5> haha maybe i should install the new one
first before capping my connection lol
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3033 [17:42:28] <M4GNV5> no :D
3034 [17:42:31] <Iridos> M4GNV5, maybe wait a bit with that
3035 [17:42:35] <binarym> hey, i've a script download on
demande netinst ISO from this location :
replaced-url
3036 [17:42:40] <binarym> but right now, it's empty
3037 [17:42:43] <binarym> any idea ?
3038 [17:42:52] <Iridos> M4GNV5, have you checked dmesg?
3039 [17:42:55] <M4GNV5> test123
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3044 [17:43:31] <M4GNV5> Iridos, thats pretty long, what should i
search for?
3045 [17:43:53] <Iridos> also /var/log/messages
3046 [17:44:08] <Iridos> well, lots and lots of repeating
network-related errors of any kind would be a clue
3047 [17:44:46] <M4GNV5> ok nvm wl works, got an average of 13ms
to my router now
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3049 [17:44:58] <Iridos> else I'd try to unload all possible
wifi kernel modules and then look at the messages you get when you
re-load it
3050 [17:45:01] <M4GNV5> ty all of you karlpinc TomTomTosch Iridos
:)
3051 [17:45:33] <Iridos> did you reboot the machine for that?
3052 [17:45:44] <M4GNV5> nope
3053 [17:46:02] <M4GNV5> just followed the installation steps of
the wl debian wiki page
3054 [17:46:35] <Iridos> hm, but so the rtlwifi stuff is still
loaded
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3058 [17:47:40] <M4GNV5> should i unload it? whats so bad about
having it?
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3060 [17:48:10] <RoyK> hi all. I'm helping a friend,
malinux-, debug her computer. She did an mkinitramfs to update
those, and she extracted it to make sure /sbin/mdadm was there, and
it was, but then, when booting on the system, mdadm can't be
found, meaning it won't boot (since the root is on a mirror).
Any ideas?
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3066 [17:51:05] <karlpinc> binarym: The netinstall images are
linked to from the debian.org home page....
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3068 [17:51:43] <karlpinc> RoyK: Boot from an install image in
rescue mode. Then, "update-initramfs -u".
3069 [17:51:55] <RoyK> karlpinc: been tried a few times
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3071 [17:52:09] <binarym> karlpinc: sure, but i liked the
"current" URL that allowed me to fetch the last one with
just a lftp -e 'glob get *netinst*.iso; exit'
replaced-url
3072 [17:52:20] <binarym> looks just like current link hasn't
been updated
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3074 [17:52:25] <thurstylark> Alrighty, so I got my Skylake box
working with Weston by updating to the 4.3 kernel, but X is still
complaining about no screens. Can anyone advise?
3075 [17:52:49] <karlpinc> binarym: Would that be for unstable?
Maybe that's why it's gone.
3076 [17:52:57] <TomTomTosch> M4GNV5, it could create conflicts.
who knows what those non-free drivers do. i would remove them and
think about why they are there in the first place :P
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3078 [17:53:47] <binarym> karlpinc: ok
3079 [17:53:47] <binarym> thx
3080 [17:54:34] <RoyK> karlpinc: the problem is - if we unpack the
initramfs and look inside, everything looks normal, but mdadm is
missing in the (initramfs) prompt after bootup
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3083 [17:57:38] <karlpinc> RoyK: Means to me you're not
loading the initramfs you think you're loading. Look in the
bootloader config.
3084 [17:58:51] <karlpinc> thurstylark: Do you have a config file
for X? Do you need one? If not, move what you have out of the way
and see if X can autoconfig. Otherwise, you'll probably have to
pastebin your X log.
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3087 [18:00:07] <malinux-> karlpinc: the computer RoyK is talking
about is mine, and we have executed upate-initramfs -u and same
problem occure
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3097 [18:02:46] <thurstylark> karlpinc: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
doesn't exist. I don't know if I need one or not, but
it's a brand new install, and my goal is just to get x to
launch something and I don't care what it is at the moment.
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3117 [18:10:07] <MaBunny> Guys i want to get codeblocks,i hav
added a repo to sources.list but it doesnt work
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3122 [18:11:51] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny can you post your
sources.list to
replaced-url
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3124 [18:12:15] <MaBunny> Im on smartphone guys
3125 [18:12:19] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, you did try to install from
jessie-backports, right?
3126 [18:12:30] <MaBunny> No
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3128 [18:12:51] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, two things wrong with this
then.
3129 [18:12:54] <MaBunny> I dont kno wht command to write
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3131 [18:13:08] <morbid_ape> hi everyone burn all jews in oven
3132 [18:13:08] <MaBunny> Pls tell
3133 [18:13:10] <morbid_ape> daeth to infidels
3134 [18:13:16] <morbid_ape> only muslims have a right to live
3135 [18:13:18] <morbid_ape> ALLAHU AKHBAR
3136 [18:13:20] <thurstylark> !ops
3137 [18:13:21] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
3138 [18:13:27] <morbid_ape> allahu akhbar!
3139 [18:13:30] <morbid_ape> i throw stones to jews
3140 [18:13:46] <thurstylark> dpkg: ops morbid_ape spam
3141 [18:13:46] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: thurstylark
complains about: morbid_ape spam
3142 [18:13:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o abrotman
3143 [18:13:50] *** abrotman sets mode: +b
*!*@85-76-140-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi
3144 [18:13:50] *** morbid_ape was kicked by abrotman (you should know
better)
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3146 [18:13:52] <MaBunny> Im trying to reload my sourves.list in
synaptic
3147 [18:14:05] <MaBunny> Tht was horrible
3148 [18:14:09] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, how can i help you if you
are not at your machine and you should not install anything from
non-debian sources. codeblocks is in jessie-backports.
3149 [18:14:11] <thurstylark> abrotman: sorry for the extra ping
:P
3150 [18:14:27] <abrotman> it's fine, we only get pinged for
the one with our nicks
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3153 [18:14:57] <MaBunny> I dont even hav a irc client on my
debian,srry for inconvenience
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3156 [18:15:10] <MaBunny> I just installed it today
3157 [18:15:21] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, install one. i want to see
your sources.lost :P
3158 [18:15:33] <TomTomTosch> s/sources.lost/sources.list
3159 [18:15:48] <MaBunny> Which one? I mean irc client
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3164 [18:16:24] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny hexchat is popular i think.
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3167 [18:17:51] <MaBunny> Wait im searching on synaptic
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3170 [18:19:46] <thurstylark> shameless plug for weechat :)
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3172 [18:20:16] <TomTomTosch> heh, i use weechat too, but you have
to know some commands :P
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3176 [18:20:45] <MaBunny> Its says broken packages
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3179 [18:21:49] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny,
replaced-url
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3182 [18:23:35] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, reading that will save you
from another reinstall in the future.
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3184 [18:23:59] <MaBunny> Ok tom,it says i hav to download a lot
of packages
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3186 [18:24:19] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, stop doing anything for
now.
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3189 [18:24:51] <MaBunny> Why
3190 [18:25:01] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, post your sources.list to
paste.debian.net and type the url into the chat.
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3194 [18:27:27] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, the content of
/etc/apt/sources.list that is.
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3199 [18:29:14] <MaBunny> Ok im taking a picture of it
3200 [18:29:33] <jeeves_moss> how do I see what device tree
overlays are loaded?
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3206 [18:32:13] <karlpinc> MaBunny: Nobody really wants to look at
a picture.
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3210 [18:33:32] <karlpinc> !tell MaBunny about mark and paste
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3217 [18:34:35] <MaBunny> Ok can i type wht ive written??
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3223 [18:35:16] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, i have no idea what you
want to tell us :P
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3225 [18:35:42] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, just show us the damn file
;D
3226 [18:35:53] <MaBunny> Its this : " deb
replaced-url
3227 [18:35:55] <MaBunny> And one for sid too
3228 [18:36:19] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, nvm then.
3229 [18:36:35] <TomTomTosch> !tell MaBunny about frankendebian
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3232 [18:37:17] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, read what the bot told you,
read the wiki link i gave you, understand what that means, reinstall
your system and try to not break it again.
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3237 [18:38:37] <edoardo> Is dhclient supposed to eat all my ram?
3238 [18:38:59] <edoardo> 5.7% of ram usage from ps aux, freshly
installed jessie
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3247 [18:40:08] <dontknow> edoardo, how much ram?
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3250 [18:40:25] <TomTomTosch> killed the bunny again.
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3257 [18:43:02] <edoardo> dontknow: How do i check?
3258 [18:43:34] <dontknow> edoardo, how much ram do you have?
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3261 [18:44:20] <TomTomTosch> i distinctly remember that MaBunny
was here before and got the same dontbreakdebian speech... ah
well...
3262 [18:44:29] <edoardo> dontknow: heh, 128mb
3263 [18:44:56] <noid-> edoardo: cat /proc/meminfo |head -1
3264 [18:45:10] <edoardo> MemTotal: 119252 kB
3265 [18:45:19] <noid-> wow
3266 [18:45:32] <noid-> I feel that you are from the past~
3267 [18:45:36] <edoardo> It's a cheap kvm machine i just got
3268 [18:45:42] <dontknow> edoardo, i guess it is normal then. it
eats 7 MB ram
3269 [18:45:51] <edoardo> Like... for 5$ a year
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3271 [18:46:00] <noid-> o I see
3272 [18:46:13] <noid-> then like don't know says, it should
be normal..
3273 [18:46:23] <noid-> probably dies down after a while
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3278 [18:47:45] <edoardo> If i set my network to be static, can i
stop using dhclient or is it essential?
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3282 [18:49:12] <dontknow> edoardo, as far as i know, it sets your
internal ip address. so it wouldn't be necessary
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3284 [18:49:20] <dontknow> i guess
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3286 [18:50:16] <edoardo> i guess i can just copy my current
ethernet config i got with dhcp to /etc/network
3287 [18:50:25] <edoardo> but then how would i disable dhclient
properly?
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3289 [18:51:41] <TomTomTosch> edoardo, you prob have a dhcp entry
in /etc/network/interfaces.
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3291 [18:51:53] <edoardo> Indeed
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3293 [18:52:41] <TomTomTosch> you could change that to static for
example. then he should not try to do a dhcp discover.
3294 [18:52:53] <edoardo> Yep, doing it right now. I'll then
reboot and see what happens
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3296 [18:53:06] <TomTomTosch> that a vps?
3297 [18:53:07] <greycat> You'll have to down/up the
interface to kill off the existing dhcp client daemon.
3298 [18:53:13] <edoardo> Yes it is
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3300 [18:53:36] <Akimoto> "that a vps" penny drops
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3307 [18:56:45] <TomTomTosch> edoardo, is there nothing important
on this machine and do you have tools to reset it?
3308 [18:56:55] <edoardo> TomTomTosch: Yes and yes
3309 [18:57:02] <edoardo> It's just a box i got to play with
3310 [18:57:09] <edoardo> Probably gonna run some telegram bots on
it, nothing else
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3313 [18:57:34] <TomTomTosch> edoardo, ah well, then go ahead :3
3314 [18:58:06] <edoardo> Since it's a kvm i can also boot
from systemrescuecd and fix it if something goes wrong
3315 [18:58:14] <edoardo> And i also can reset the network from
solusvm
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3318 [18:59:54] <edoardo> Is gateway and broadcast the same thing?
3319 [19:01:10] <markybob> no
3320 [19:01:14] <edoardo> Nice
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3327 [19:05:22] <edoardo> Networking lesson #1: never ifdown the
interface you're connected to
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3329 [19:05:44] <TomTomTosch> x)
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3331 [19:06:28] <TomTomTosch> something about cutting the branch
you are sitting on :P
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3337 [19:07:47] <jmd> I want to upgrade from 7 to 8 tonight. Any
precautions I should take?
3338 [19:07:57] <jmd> (yes I have read the release notes)
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3341 [19:08:16] <markybob> jmd: apache going to shit is the main
thing
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3343 [19:08:33] <jmd> Hmm.
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3345 [19:08:53] <markybob> jmd: that's in the upgrade guide
3346 [19:09:06] <markybob> !tell jmd about wheezy->jessie
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3349 [19:09:29] <jdavila> TomTomTosch, that is a error from the 8
network layer.
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3353 [19:10:33] <jmd> And then of course there is the bizarre new
replacement for the sysvinit
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3356 [19:11:07] <TomTomTosch> jdavila, yeye, pebkac and all that
:P
3357 [19:11:14] <markybob> jmd: systemd upgrade was pretty
painless here
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3361 [19:11:54] <jmd> Yeah, but I heard that the problems come
later when one wishes to do the tiniest of customisation.
3362 [19:12:26] <markybob> jmd: it can be a pain in the ass, sure.
so can flossing
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3366 [19:12:56] <jmd> Anyway I cannot see apache mentioned
anywhere in that upgrade guide.
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3369 [19:13:40] <markybob> jmd:
replaced-url
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3383 [19:17:50] <jmd> If all goes to plan, this will be my last
ever debian upgrade...
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3401 [19:22:29] <markybob> jmd: will you be dying soon?
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3405 [19:24:01] <Kobaz> jmd: switching to slackware?
3406 [19:24:19] <Kobaz> what's that package that emails you
when you have security-vulnerable packages installed
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3431 [19:30:53] <jmd> Kobaz: Nah I switched from Slackware to
Debian about 15 years ago.
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3437 [19:32:27] <Drizt> slackware 1.0 was my first linux distro
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3439 [19:32:44] <Drizt> didnt get xwindows to work back then
3440 [19:32:55] <Kobaz> hehe
3441 [19:32:56] <jdavila> :')
3442 [19:33:02] <Kobaz> so anyway
3443 [19:33:06] <Kobaz> security alerts for packages?
3444 [19:33:08] <Kobaz> i used to have it?
3445 [19:33:11] <jmd> Drizt: That would be because there is not
and never was such a thing as "xwindows"
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3447 [19:33:19] <Drizt> X?
3448 [19:33:26] <jmd> or X11
3449 [19:33:35] <jmd> or maybe X10 back then.
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3451 [19:33:39] <markybob> Kobaz: apticron
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3463 [19:36:12] <Kobaz> yay
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3465 [19:37:12] <grawity> jmd: XFree86?
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3468 [19:37:44] <jmd> grawity: That is (was) one vendor's
implementation of X, yes.
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3470 [19:38:16] <Drizt> then there was gnome kde unity
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3473 [19:38:40] <markybob> this is getting silly. back on /topic
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3478 [19:39:54] <jmd> There was also debian gnu unity in those
days too.
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3488 [19:42:12] <grawity> none of which are implementations of X
though
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3495 [19:45:38] <ZodoTurtle> I have the nVidia drivers compiled
and installed from nVidia's website. Was a pain but at least it
is working. I can play my games and stream again. Nouveau is still
broken.
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3499 [19:46:29] <markybob> ZodoTurtle: your system is now
unsupported
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3501 [19:46:59] <Drizt> markybob: you dont know what graphics card
he has
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3503 [19:47:29] <markybob> Drizt: that's irrelevant.
installing direct from nvidia is not supported
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3506 [19:49:22] <ZodoTurtle> markybob: I don't care. nouveau
is NOT support! I tried. It doesn't work. It is absolute crap.
Nice try, possibly getting better. but it still isn't ready.
Still doesn't work. At least it hasn't worked every time I
attempted.
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3508 [19:49:55] <ZodoTurtle> I don't know if it is nouveau or
the new KMS thing. Either way. It doesn't work.
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3510 [19:49:57] <markybob> ZodoTurtle: that's fine. debian
packages nvidia's proprietary drivers. those are supported
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3515 [19:50:41] <SPF> hmm, dist-upgrade did not update kernel?
3516 [19:50:45] <ZodoTurtle> markybob: I read that those are going
away. Kind of hard to consider something supported if it disappears.
3517 [19:51:20] <markybob> SPF: from what to what?
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3519 [19:51:34] <SPF> 6.0 to 7.0
3520 [19:51:42] <markybob> SPF: did you reboot?
3521 [19:51:46] <SPF> yes
3522 [19:51:50] <SPF> and then it got stuck
3523 [19:52:06] <markybob> SPF: what does that mean?
3524 [19:52:13] <SPF> black screen
3525 [19:52:26] <SPF> after grub
3526 [19:52:28] <markybob> SPF: are you in it now? got it fixed?
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3528 [19:52:34] <SPF> in grub I still see the old kernel
3529 [19:52:48] <SPF> I used iso to chroot
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3531 [19:53:01] <jmd> Anyone have any bright ideas about backup
solutions without speding $$$$
3532 [19:53:03] <SPF> now figuring out how to install a new kernel
3533 [19:53:43] <Drizt> jmd: gnome commander
3534 [19:53:59] <jmd> Huh?
3535 [19:54:26] <Drizt> its a simple file managment utility
3536 [19:54:28] <Walakea> does anyone have an idea what can make
my HDD suddenly be 7 °C hotter than usual? i am doing the same
things as before (iceweasel, qtox, deadbeef)
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3538 [19:55:05] <SPF> I managed to create resolv.conf, but now
during installation it gives a lot of errors
3539 [19:55:06] <jmd> Walakea: 14 °C rise in the ambient
temperature.
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3541 [19:55:23] <SPF> like modules dep requires mounted sysfs on
/sys
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3553 [19:58:41] <SPF> seems I needed the kernel-headers package as
well, now it's continuing (I hope)
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3565 [20:02:02] <SPF> still the same error
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3574 [20:03:24] <SPF> solved it outside chroot with bind -o /sys
/mnt/sys
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3576 [20:03:45] <MrTrump> how do I stop postgresql from being
updated again?
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3578 [20:03:51] <MrTrump> Qa is concered
3579 [20:03:59] <MrTrump> about debian updates blasting thier work
3580 [20:04:22] <MrTrump> someone mentioned "pinning"
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3583 [20:05:26] <greycat> You want "hold" not
"pin".
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3588 [20:06:15] <babilen> MrTrump: You should be aware that this
means that you won't get security upgrades (which you probably
are)
3589 [20:06:23] <babilen> dpkg: tell MrTrump about hold
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3639 [20:18:26] <MrTrump> :(
3640 [20:18:40] <MrTrump> how in debian7 do I see if apache2 will
start on bootup?
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3656 [20:22:22] <hitlin37> could someone dig xulrunner 1.9.28 deb
build for armel? i didn't manged to find it
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3676 [20:33:03] <jmd> I really wish after all these years, a
debian dist-upgrade would not be so interactive. It's worse
than Windows!
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3680 [20:36:18] <hexnewbie> jmd: You should be glad you're
using Debian, and not Gentoo. At least the upgrades go quick, but if
you had one question asked every few hours, you wouldn't even
be able to watch a film and upgrade at the same time
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3684 [20:37:12] <hexnewbie> jmd: If your Debian upgrades are too
slow, Konsole has an inactivity monitor that will pop a notification
whenever the upgrade terminal is no longer processing
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3686 [20:38:05] <jmd> hexnewbie: I'm thinking of moving to
guix where there is no need of "upgrades" - you just
install whatever version(s) of whatever you need.
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3688 [20:38:29] <gutleib> Hi. I have a problem with jessie
network/interfaces. config works well for single eth, but when I try
to make 802.3ad bond it ignores config in all peculiar manners...
First it ignored the 802.3ad part, and I relocated config to
/etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf as was suggested in some ubuntu bug
workaround. But now it ignores ip config now! I am a bit
3689 [20:38:29] <gutleib> new to systemd jessie (hi from under the
rock), but I can't figure out how to make it work...
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3691 [20:38:47] <faultline> gutleib: I can help you there.
3692 [20:38:55] <faultline> gutleib: Pastebin your interfaces file
for me?
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3694 [20:39:28] <faultline> gutleib: And also the relevant
portions of your switch configuration for those interfaces.
3695 [20:39:30] <MrTrump> How would I tell if someone had set
apache2 to not start on boot, and how would I enable start on boot?
3696 [20:39:33] <gutleib> yep, I'll just rollback my
patient...
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3698 [20:39:37] <hexnewbie> jmd: I hope that doesn't work the
way you described it, because that way it sounds like a security
nightmare.
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3701 [20:40:43] <philipp> hi, is it possible to pull the source of
a package in a specific version using apt-get source?
3702 [20:41:11] <faultline> gutleib: Also, do you have the
ifenslave package installed?
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3705 [20:41:32] <towo`> if the version of the binary is avialable
with apt-cache policy, yes
3706 [20:41:59] <gutleib> faultline: the switch works fine
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3708 [20:42:45] <gutleib> faultline: when i Configure the bond
manually, it works fine
3709 [20:43:07] <faultline> gutleib: Just asking.
3710 [20:43:21] <gutleib> faultline: like 'ifconfig bond0
x.x.x.x netmask x.x.x.x'
3711 [20:43:33] <faultline> gutleib: After all, LACP requires
switch-side support, so it seems relevant.
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3714 [20:43:42] <gutleib> faultline: ifenslave-2.6
3715 [20:43:43] <faultline> gutleib: network/interfaces?
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3717 [20:43:59] <gutleib> faultline: yep, a sec
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3721 [20:44:17] <faultline> gutleib: Also, strictly speaking, that
package is a transitional one. You should be using
"ifenslave".
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3733 [20:48:21] <gutleib> faultline: it's a bit messy, but
there it is
replaced-url
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3735 [20:48:54] <edoardo> Cool
3736 [20:49:10] <edoardo> This 128mb kvm can actually compile
python without exploding to pieces
3737 [20:49:28] <awal1> Any privacy/security concrens using
weather plugins/extensions? I'm using 'xmobar' and
enabled weather plugin/feature.
3738 [20:49:38] <awal1> concerns ^
3739 [20:49:45] <gutleib> faultline: also,
/etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf contains "options bonding
mode=802.3ad miimon=100 lacp_rate=1 updelau=100 downdelay=100"
3740 [20:49:46] <faultline> gutleib: You don't need any
physical interface stanzas in jessie. If you add them, things blow
up.
3741 [20:50:08] <faultline> gutleib: Remove your changes to
modprobe.d/bonding.conf, first off.
3742 [20:50:15] <jmcnaught> MrTrump: "systemctl is-enabled
apache2" and "systemctl enable apache2"
3743 [20:50:28] <faultline> gutleib: Also, your netmask is...
quite off.
3744 [20:50:28] <gutleib> than it falls back to balance-rr
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3746 [20:50:41] <faultline> gutleib: As is your gateway. I'll
show you how to configure it.
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3748 [20:50:56] <gutleib> faultline: darn! now i see it
3749 [20:51:33] <gutleib> faultline: that part with mask/gw is a
plain mistake
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3751 [20:51:36] <MrTrump> debian 7 my good man!!
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3753 [20:52:22] <jmcnaught> MrTrump: Okay. Read "man
update-rc.d" and
replaced-url
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3756 [20:52:31] <greycat> MrTrump: It's a strange question to
ask. I guess my answer would be "How did you think you disabled
it? Check for that."
3757 [20:52:37] <faultline> gutleib:
replaced-url
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3760 [20:53:04] <faultline> gutleib: Remove all physical interface
configuration for bond members, remove your custmoizations to
bonding.conf. That's all you'll need.
3761 [20:53:39] <greycat> MrTrump: The #debian answer to "How
do I disable startup of foo" (pre-jessie) was always
"apt-get remove foo", so I guess you can check whether
/usr/sbin/foo exists?
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3764 [20:53:57] <julius> hi
3765 [20:54:49] <gutleib> faultline: ok, wow, that's...
elegant
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3769 [20:55:04] <gutleib> faultline: gone pasting
3770 [20:55:11] <julius>
replaced-url
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3775 [20:56:17] <faultline> gutleib: Example (my own server):
replaced-url
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3778 [20:57:37] <joobcode> anyone point me to docs or search term
for connecting incoming ssh connections to a ttysX
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3780 [20:58:11] <jmcnaught> MrTrump: or are you trying to figure
out why Apache will not start?
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3784 [21:00:43] <gutleib> faultline: seems OK! guess I should
sleep more, that netmask/gw error made me blush
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3787 [21:01:35] <Teddy-B> Good Day All, I'm having an issue
with a Jessie Install, With Konqueror, complaining about libraries
for dolphinpart.so, I have tried purging and re-installing both.
looks like a bug by my searching, issue with update of dolphin4? was
considering a complete re-install of the system. but the core
ISO's haven't been updated since Febuary's GlibC
Vulnerability was released. so re-installing and updateing will
likely break the system aga
3788 [21:01:36] <Teddy-B> in. is there a KNOWN fix for this?
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3792 [21:04:21] <faultline> gutleib: You can verify the current
operating state of your LAG via /proc/net/bonding/bond0
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3798 [21:07:01] <gutleib> faultline yes, that's how I found
system brought up balance-rr instead of 802.3ad bond0
3799 [21:07:13] <faultline> gutleib: Good now, though?
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3803 [21:07:48] <gutleib> faultline: yes, thank you! that was very
helpful of you!
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3805 [21:08:30] <faultline> gutleib: Cool. :)
replaced-url
3806 [21:08:32] <Teddy-B> actually, looking at the error again, it
also complains about libgl.so, which is most likely the issue as I
have yet to solve an issue with my graphics driver as well. I went
to multiple screens, and the system puts out to them in clone mode,
but doesn't see the secondary monitors
3807 [21:08:45] <faultline> gutleib: Upstart processes
network/interfaces differently than systemd.
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3815 [21:12:28] <jim> do systemd and upstart use ifup/ifdown?
3816 [21:13:01] <faultline> jim: I'm not certain as to why
they're processed differently, to be honest.
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3822 [21:15:13] <jim> any idea of what the difference is? (aka how
they process)
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3824 [21:15:33] <jim> faultline, thanks for response btw
3825 [21:15:59] <faultline> jim: Behaviorally, individual physical
interfaces have to be specified and assigned to a bond interface
under upstart, whereas with systemd, it's enough to specify
them as bond-slave in the bond stanza.
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3829 [21:16:45] <faultline> jim: Strangely, under upstart, the
bond-slave parameter must be set to "none" on an upstart
system, or the bond will fail to assemble.
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3835 [21:17:54] <jim> oh I see, so there is a configuration
difference at least
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3838 [21:18:50] <faultline> jim:
replaced-url
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3841 [21:19:47] <faultline> jim: Those are otherwise
functionally-identical bond configurations between jessie and Ubuntu
trusty.
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3845 [21:20:17] <jim> wow, thanks!
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3848 [21:20:47] <faultline> jim: Attempting to use each
configuration style on the other system will make the network stack
go o.O huh?
3849 [21:20:56] <faultline> jim: Sure thing.
3850 [21:21:11] <hanasaki> how do you clear the dns cache so the
new entry will be fetched from the ISP where the record was updated?
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3852 [21:21:45] <jim> hanasaki, restart the dns?
3853 [21:21:57] <hanasaki> tried restarting bind
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3856 [21:22:34] <teraflops> hanasaki: unless you explicitly run a
dns cache you do not have a dns cache
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3859 [21:22:55] <teraflops> so, if you dont just try to pick other
dns servers
3860 [21:23:15] <faultline> hanasaki: What's the issue
you're trying to solve?
3861 [21:23:25] <faultline> hanasaki: DNS change isn't
propagating, that kind of thing?
3862 [21:23:50] <teraflops> hanasaki: but i bet your isp dns do
caching
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3865 [21:24:01] <hanasaki> teraflops: like resolvconf and ncsd?
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3867 [21:24:11] <faultline> All DNS is cached. That's why
TTLs exist.
3868 [21:24:17] <hanasaki> resolves fine of google 8.8.8.8
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3870 [21:24:21] <teraflops> faultline: not in his machine
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3872 [21:24:39] <faultline> teraflops: Rephrased: All DNS servers
cache responses.
3873 [21:24:43] <teraflops> unless he explicitly run unbound anf
thisgs like that
3874 [21:24:54] <hanasaki> teraflops: what is unbound?
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3876 [21:25:02] <teraflops> faultline: nope
3877 [21:25:17] <hanasaki> teraflops: the dns did propogate
because it resolves OK directly from google servers and the isp
servers. just not on my server
3878 [21:25:23] <teraflops> faultline: you know what I mean, so if
you want to argue it's ok
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3881 [21:25:41] * hanasaki prefers to be productive over arguing
3882 [21:25:42] <teraflops> hanasaki: that's what i said
3883 [21:25:47] <faultline> teraflops: Don't be a dick.
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3886 [21:26:06] <teraflops> faultline: oh I see
3887 [21:26:35] <hanasaki> teraflops: since it resolves ok off
external servers directly it must be cached on my server and I need
to manually expire it
3888 [21:26:40] <hanasaki> negative cache
3889 [21:26:41] <faultline> hanasaki: Your ISP may be using
nameservers upstream from its own resolver whose cached responses
may not have yet expired.
3890 [21:27:01] <teraflops> hanasaki: "your server" is?
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3892 [21:27:16] <faultline> hanasaki: At any rate, somewhere in
this process is a cached record that's causing you problems.
3893 [21:27:26] <Malinux>
replaced-url
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3895 [21:27:31] <teraflops> faultline: that's exactly what I
said ....
3896 [21:27:35] <hanasaki> faultline: my dns server is set to
resolve off google's if it fails locally. and a manual resolve
directly to googl works
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3899 [21:28:29] <faultline> hanasaki: Are you running your own DNS
server internally?
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3901 [21:28:36] <hanasaki> faultline: yes.
3902 [21:28:39] <Malinux> the installer-usb-stick is on sda,
however, I tried to install grub to /dev/sdd as it is one of my
root-disks
3903 [21:28:42] <hanasaki> faultline: my dns server is set to
resolve off google's if it fails locally. and a manual resolve
directly to googl works
3904 [21:28:42] <faultline> hanasaki: Ah, I was ambiguous on that
point. BIND?
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3906 [21:28:49] <hanasaki> bind9
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3909 [21:28:55] <faultline> hanasaki: Tried an "rndc
flush?"
3910 [21:29:10] <hanasaki> what package contains rndc?
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3912 [21:29:49] <faultline> bind9utils, I think.
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3914 [21:30:27] <hanasaki> yes
3915 [21:30:36] <hanasaki> faultline: yes - no change
3916 [21:30:40] <hanasaki> hrs ago
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3918 [21:31:07] <faultline> You just asked me what package
contained it. If you tried it hours ago, then you would have already
known you had it installed.
3919 [21:31:18] <NGq> I'm having issues running a LibreOffice
basic macro that was working a bit ago. Now it is simply giving me
the same error on a few lines. I need an answer soon and the
libreoffice irc chaneels are quite at the moment.
3920 [21:31:28] <NGq> channels*
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3922 [21:31:47] <faultline> hanasaki: I assume you ran that
command on the bind server system itself.
3923 [21:31:58] <hanasaki> yes. locally
3924 [21:32:17] <faultline> You have a tendency to respond
ambiguously. Locally on the DNS server itself?
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3928 [21:35:58] <teraflops> hanasaki: if you setup forwarders to
dns' that not resolve your new records yet,
restarting/refreshing is useless
3929 [21:36:13] <jmcnaught> Malinux: There are some more details
about this here:
replaced-url
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3932 [21:36:55] <jmcnaught> Malinux: it's not talking about
the USB stick the installer is on, it's talking about some UEFI
jargon
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3937 [21:37:39] <hanasaki> teraflops: where to check forwards
3938 [21:37:40] <hanasaki> ?
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3940 [21:38:03] <teraflops> hanasaki: you run your own bind,
right'
3941 [21:38:05] <teraflops> ?
3942 [21:38:30] <hanasaki> yes. been awhile since I touched it :)
forwards are commented out as in the original default
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3945 [21:38:43] <teraflops> maybe here
/etc/bind/named.conf.options
3946 [21:38:44] <Malinux> jmcnaught: okey. I tried to choose no,
and the box booted, so well, it works anyway :)
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3948 [21:39:39] <jmcnaught> Malinux: it's there as a fallback
options for folks with broken UEFI (quite common apparently), but it
can also prevent booting other OSs that are already installed. If
you don't need it, all is good
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3953 [21:40:39] <RippyDippy> Hey guys, any idea how to assign
handle lid close to hibernate?
3954 [21:40:39] <Malinux> jmcnaught: okey. Don't think
I'll need it :)
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3959 [21:41:44] <SynrG> RippyDippy: /etc/systemd/logind.conf has a
lid action
3960 [21:42:01] <RippyDippy> SynrG: Ive done that.
HandleLidSwitch=hibernate
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3962 [21:42:11] <RippyDippy> but it isn't hibernating :/
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3964 [21:42:29] <teraflops> RippyDippy: restarted systemd-logind?
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3966 [21:42:45] <SynrG> And you have swap space at least as big as
your RAM?
3967 [21:42:50] <RippyDippy> teraflops: Restarted the entire
machine
3968 [21:42:52] <teraflops> heh
3969 [21:42:59] <SynrG> i.e. hibernate otherwise works
3970 [21:43:02] <RippyDippy> SynrG: OOoooo That could be it.
3971 [21:43:20] <RippyDippy> SynrG: Actually no. I've
hybernated by automatically choosing it from the aciton buttons.
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3973 [21:43:27] <hanasaki> teraflops: yes I run my own bind. and
the forward section is commented out
3974 [21:43:34] <RippyDippy> SynrG: So I doubt thats my issue
3975 [21:43:43] <teraflops> hanasaki: ok
3976 [21:43:44] <SynrG> Nevertheless you need that
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3978 [21:43:57] <SynrG> Otherwise it can't be reliable i
don't think
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3983 [21:44:25] <RippyDippy> SynrG: Yeah that might be true. Im
trying to figure out how to lock encryption without powering off on
lid close
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3989 [21:45:40] <teraflops> RippyDippy: did you take a look at
journalctl?
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3992 [21:46:43] <teraflops> as in close the lid, wait, wait, wait,
open the lid and grep journalctl for useful information
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3994 [21:47:26] <RippyDippy> SynrG: Well I do have a swap the size
of my RAM 20G encrypted swap.
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4000 [21:48:38] <SynrG> OK
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4002 [21:49:23] <hanasaki> anyone know a good development lapto?
works with kde and gnome and touchscreen 4k touch screen / 802.11ac
/ 24 or 32GB or more RAM . big SSD
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4018 [21:55:39] <MrTrump> can aptitude be used all the time?
4019 [21:55:46] <MrTrump> or are there times apt-get is needed?
4020 [21:56:07] <MrTrump> i ask because I want to hold some
packages and I noticed someone sent me info about aptitude hold
4021 [21:56:17] <MrTrump> which apt-get aparently ignores
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4034 [22:03:31] <Brigo> MrTrump, apt-get should not ignore hold
packages.
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4038 [22:04:01] <nkuttler> MrTrump: they share a database for such
data, unless you run an ancient release
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4041 [22:04:58] <towo`> Brigo, aptitude holds will be for sure
ignored by apt
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4046 [22:05:49] <nkuttler> towo`: huh? sure?
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4049 [22:07:34] <enoch85> anyone that are good with networks? I
had a network failure some days ago, and I managed to fix so that
port 443 works, but something is still wrong as port 80 won't
work. When I run netstat I can only see the port 80 on ipv6 and it
should work as I have Listen 80 in ports.conf, but no success.
Please help.
4050 [22:07:36] <nkuttler> towo`: certainly not
4051 [22:07:45] <mi11k1> Hey can somebody give me a hand with
this?
replaced-url
4052 [22:07:46] <mi11k1> I have an old ThinkPad and I'm
trying to get lirc to work and am getting this error.
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4062 [22:10:20] <Amun_Ra> towo`: apt won't ignore aptitude
holds
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4065 [22:10:53] <karlpinc> MrTrump: I also am under the impression
that aptitude and apt-get use different mechanisims for
"hold". Everything else I know got unified, but not that
for some reason. Anyway, yes, you can use aptitude for everything.
The one exception is upgrading to the next stable release. For that
you must do whatever the release notes say. Sometimes one or the
other is used for major upgrades.
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4071 [22:11:22] <karlpinc> MrTrump: I've not tested how the 2
work with "hold" though.
4072 [22:11:31] <Amun_Ra> karlpinc: your impression is,
unfortunatelly, wrong
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4075 [22:11:39] <mi11k1> haaaha
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4078 [22:12:29] <karlpinc> Amun_Ra: When did this change?
4079 [22:12:54] <Amun_Ra> karlpinc: well, tbh I did a test in
testing, so it really should be #debian-next answer
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4083 [22:13:36] <Amun_Ra> let me test it on oldstable
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4085 [22:14:13] <karlpinc> Amun_Ra: It's not true in wheezy.
See: Note that aptitude uses a different method for registering
packages that are on hold than apt-get and dselect. In:
replaced-url
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4090 [22:15:13] <karlpinc> Amun_Ra: It's really nice to see
this fixed in testing.
4091 [22:15:43] <Amun_Ra> karlpinc: I've tested it in
oldstable and you're right - aptitude uses different hold
mechanism than apt and wajig in oldstable
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4093 [22:16:09] <karlpinc> Amun_Ra: The exciting answer will be
regards stable. :)
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4095 [22:16:35] <jmcnaught> apt-get ignores aptitude holds for me
in jessie:
replaced-url
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4099 [22:16:46] <paludo> Hey guys, I was having problems with
shutdowns hanging from time to time, not sure what was causing. So,
I was advised to upgrade my kernel to jessie's backport ...
well I did that, but it still hanging. I'm using a external usb
mouse plugged in, someone here said that might be the problem,
wouldn't it always hang then? What you guys think?
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4104 [22:17:45] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: Yay!
4105 [22:17:48] <Amun_Ra> yes, I've tested it in stable and
it's the same as in oldstable
4106 [22:17:56] <Iridos> jmcnaught, yes, they are different
holds... apparently still
4107 [22:17:59] <greycat> paludo: what is the exact symptom? Where
does it get stuck?
4108 [22:18:00] * Amun_Ra hides under rock ;)
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4112 [22:18:26] <Iridos> dpkg, tell jmcnaught about hold
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4117 [22:18:48] <karlpinc> Amun_Ra: Your tests must be different
from jmcnaught. His paste shows an aptitude hold working with
apt-get. ?
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4121 [22:19:04] <jmcnaught> Iridos: thanks, i was just testing and
providing an example related to the discussion
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4123 [22:19:20] <jmcnaught> karlpinc: i used aptitude hold on the
perl package, which apt-get still wanted to upgrade
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4125 [22:19:41] <Iridos> jmcnaught, ah, the danger of jumping in
without reading an hour of backlog :)
4126 [22:19:45] <jmcnaught> that's with "aptitude
hold". holds made with "apt-mark hold" are held back
in both
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4128 [22:19:59] <alison_> hello. I am running jessie with
backports kernel and nvidia-legacy-340xx. All good except when I
suspend, it seems to work but then immediately resumes. Then it
comes back with no video signal.
4129 [22:20:03] <Amun_Ra> karlpinc: my tests regarding jessie are
the same as jmcnaught's
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4136 [22:21:12] <Iridos> jmcnaught, have you tested with hold, if
any the new "apt" comand honors/ignores? :)
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4138 [22:21:29] <paludo> greycat: so with the 3.16 kernel this
message came up (removing quiet from grub) "xhci_hcd <bunch
of numbers> can't derive routing for PCI INT A"
4139 [22:21:36] <karlpinc> Amun_Ra: Bug #137771 says fixed in
jessie. This is the "hold" bug.
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4141 [22:21:50] <greycat> paludo: Totally different from mine,
then :-/
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4143 [22:21:59] <karlpinc> *Agh!* _Not_ fixed in jessie. Fixed in
testing.
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4145 [22:22:15] <jmcnaught> holds made with apt-mark hold seem to
be respected by apt-get, aptitude and apt:
replaced-url
4146 [22:22:22] <greycat> ,bug 137771
4147 [22:22:23] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
4148 [22:22:40] <jmcnaught> maybe dpkg's hold factoid should
be updated?
4149 [22:22:47] <greycat> Hey, it's only 14 years old,
don't rush them!
4150 [22:23:20] <paludo> greycat: what are you getting?
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4153 [22:23:32] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: Probably should not update
it until next release. It has the bug number in it for testing
users.
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4155 [22:23:34] <__316k__> Hi, I'm having trouble with
unexpected shutdowns systematically after a shot period, I checked
the kern.log file, and found out that "temperature (254 C) hit
the shutdown threshold" (which is just absurd, acpi -t gives me
around 40.0 degrees C). Any idea what could be causing this ?
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4158 [22:24:03] <greycat> paludo: mine is
replaced-url
4159 [22:24:04] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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4166 [22:25:59] <jmcnaught> karlpinc: i mean perhaps the factoid
could be updated to mention "apt-mark hold" which is
respected by all three on stable
4167 [22:26:39] <Iridos> karlpinc, oh dear... just reading the bug
and... "> Would it not be best if it behaved like>
apt-get, ie. reading information from /var/lib/dpkg/status? (Answer)
No, it wouldn't. dselect's states are not in general
equivalent to aptitude's, although they're similar."
aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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4169 [22:26:53] <paludo> greycat: with the backports' kernel
too? Does you computer have graphics card? I thought it could be
related, I have an optimus laptop
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4173 [22:27:32] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: I updated dpkg to note when
fixed.
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4175 [22:27:38] <greycat> paludo: if your symptom involves an *hci
message, then I'm absolutely positive it's NOT related to
mine, which involves very specifically the failure to swapoff a swap
partition correctly
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4179 [22:28:22] <karlpinc> Iridos: Why "no"? What's
the distinction? (I only ever use aptitude's hold.)
4180 [22:29:00] <karlpinc> Iridos: (Could it possibly have taken
so long to fix because they did it right?)
4181 [22:29:03] <Iridos> karlpinc, this is all quoted from the
bug... the "No" is from Daniel Burrows, who apparently
develops apt
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4185 [22:29:25] <paludo> greycat: mine works fine most of the time
4186 [22:29:26] <Iridos> that's earlyish into the bug, though
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4189 [22:29:52] <Asuran> does debian offer at installation
complete desktop packages which includes for example network
mananger?
4190 [22:29:52] <karlpinc> Iridos: OMG! It's systemd all over
again! ;-)
4191 [22:30:09] <greycat> Asuran: yes
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4193 [22:30:22] <Asuran> thanks greycat
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4195 [22:30:36] <Asuran> i hope debian is still good linux, much
other fails me...
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4197 [22:30:56] <Asuran> i tried now sabayon, opensuse and dont
really want ubuntu back except if only choice
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4199 [22:32:21] <Iridos> karlpinc, well.. it's one of too
many examples, where it seems a 100% clear and obvious what is wrong
and what is right and a developer or even all developers think
different... like recently the infamous browser-bar, which you
cannot use unix-like middle-moues-button paste on when it's
full, because it autoselects and or... dunno, I guess the whole
gnome-shell thing of removing buttons ... lots of examples
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4211 [22:36:10] <ZodoTurtle> so, Um, Yeah. I'm an IT
sysadmin. Sure, that's a little redundant. Anyhow. Apparently,
I was in such a hurry to get my home system up and running that I
failed to install one very important package. The one package that I
always install on any Linux system I install.
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4213 [22:36:55] <ZodoTurtle> openssh
4214 [22:37:20] <noid-> ouch
4215 [22:37:25] <noid-> sudo apt-get install openssh-server ?
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4217 [22:37:47] <greycat> after he drives back home, sure
4218 [22:37:48] <ZodoTurtle> noid-: I'm not at home. So, I
can't reach the system to do ANYTHING right now. :(
4219 [22:37:54] <noid-> areplaced-url
4220 [22:37:55] <noid-> gee whiz
4221 [22:37:56] <noid-> :(
4222 [22:38:25] * greycat checks on his own home box, finds it
unreponsive again. This is so fucking obnoxious.
4223 [22:39:18] <karlpinc> Asuran: Since you're new to debian
you might find this helpful:
4224 [22:39:26] <karlpinc> !tell Asuran about don't break
debian
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4226 [22:39:55] <Brigo> ZodoTurtle, do you expect one of us
install go to your home and install it for you? :D
4227 [22:39:58] <karlpinc> Iridos: Just skimmed the bug and seem
to have thought it through.
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4230 [22:40:16] <Iridos> judd, versions aptitude
4231 [22:40:17] <judd> Package: aptitude on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.6.8.2-1; jessie: 0.6.11-1+b1; stretch:
0.7.5-3; sid: 0.7.7-1
4232 [22:40:25] <ZodoTurtle> Brigo: Nope. Not asking for help.
Just sharing the realization of my derp. I'll be home in a few
hours.
4233 [22:40:36] <Iridos> hmm, so 0.7.2-1 is supposed to have it
fixed
4234 [22:40:55] <Brigo> ZodoTurtle, ok :D
4235 [22:41:10] <noid-> I'll do it for beer
4236 [22:41:19] <noid-> wait, where are you from?
4237 [22:41:20] <karlpinc> Iridos: Yeah. The little
incomprehensible graphic in the upper right becomes comprehensible
when you click on it.
4238 [22:41:27] <Iridos> I'm not really using holds much (at
all) but there's an itch now to backport aptitude to be rid of
the bug
4239 [22:42:12] <karlpinc> Iridos: I tend to hold the kernel and
glibc and let other things update automatically.
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4241 [22:42:29] <Asuran> ah thanks seems to be useful karlpinc
4242 [22:42:31] <greycat> My stupid home computer randomly freezes
up, every 1 to 30 days. No pattern to it at all. Can happen while
I'm just moving the mouse.
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4244 [22:42:46] <Iridos> I'm not holding anything... probably
because of no need. But possibly, because holds were effin broken
4245 [22:42:50] <Asuran> especially the part about compiling not
as root
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4247 [22:42:57] <karlpinc> Asuran: You might also look at the
<overview> factoid then.
4248 [22:43:02] <Iridos> greycat, netconsole?
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4252 [22:43:40] <greycat> Iridos: I don't even know what that
is. When I say freezes, I mean *hard*. Total hardware freeze.
Motherboard. Not even the caps lock light on the keyboard will work.
4253 [22:43:45] <karlpinc> greycat: My stupid home computer
freezes up when the temperature drops. I've given up trying to
figure out why.
4254 [22:43:54] <karlpinc> greycat: Mine segfaults.
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4260 [22:45:12] <ZodoTurtle> To whom it may concern, Nouveau
drivers have serious problems with my GTX 760 video card.
4261 [22:45:14] <Iridos> greycat, we have a netconsole factoid
that describes how to set it up... other than serial console it only
needs the computer to be connected to wired ethernet and a 2nd
computer in the same net... both are requirements I found a lot
easier than getting whatever serial console needs... and it may just
print some error in the last second before it dies that helps show
the reason
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4264 [22:45:59] <markybob> that was random
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4266 [22:46:10] <greycat> Iridos: I can't imagine the
computer has a chance to notice a problem and emit any kind of dying
scream. I've watched it happen, literally just while sitting
there innocently moving the mouse as I said.
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4269 [22:46:36] <greycat> One microsecond, it's fine. The
next, nothing is happening on the screen. At all.
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4271 [22:46:56] <greycat> The image is still THERE, usually, but
is not being updated. Except one time it went totally white.
4272 [22:47:04] <karlpinc> greycat: Might as well go all the way
and get a usb to serial converter and do a serial console. The
hardware is just a few bucks.
4273 [22:47:08] <Iridos> maybe... you don't know for sure if
you don't try, though. it might be spewing into dmesg for a
whole second before it freezes
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4275 [22:47:25] <karlpinc> greycat: That's what I see when I
get a segfault. But the actual console shows "stuff".
4276 [22:47:40] <karlpinc> greycat: My gui just freezes.
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4279 [22:48:22] <greycat> grep -vE
'(2160|1080|720|480|360)p'
4280 [22:48:26] <greycat> gah, wrong channel
4281 [22:48:37] <jhutchins> greycat: Have you played with SysRq at
all?
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4283 [22:48:58] <karlpinc> (I think my problem is either network
or graphic activity.)
4284 [22:49:11] <karlpinc> jhutchins: Yeah, that's a quick
approach.
4285 [22:49:12] <jhutchins> greycat: Although if numlock is dead
it's unlikely to listen to sysrq.
4286 [22:49:18] <greycat> jhutchins: No. As I said, the whole
*keyboard* loses functionality. The caps lock light won't light
when I press caps lock, which is my first and best indicator that
the machine is frozen.
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4289 [22:49:47] <jhutchins> greycat: Yeah, and that sounds like a
hardware freeze.
4290 [22:50:01] <jhutchins> greycat: Clean case, reseat all cards
and cables.
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4295 [22:51:44] <karlpinc> greycat: Purchase newbox. Dip old in
molten metal and leave for future archaeologists to resolve. ;-)
4296 [22:52:00] <greycat> Yes, eventually that will be the answer.
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4302 [22:54:53] <julius> hi
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4304 [22:55:06] <jercos> bronze is traditional for confusion
archaeologists, yes?
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4306 [22:55:56] <jercos> julius: [sparc, ia64, s390]
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4312 [22:57:07] <julius> im following this howto:
replaced-url
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4314 [22:57:29] <jercos> julius: the BIOS one is most likely
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4317 [22:57:37] <julius> ok, lets try
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4319 [22:58:34] <karlpinc> jul!tell julius about debian-live
4320 [22:59:10] <karlpinc> julius: You might be better off
following whatever the official instructions are than following some
random blog post....
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4328 [23:02:06] <Fahrradkette> Hey guys, I'm running
jessie/xfce4 and want to use libmtp 1.1.11 (version according to the
libmtp guys) in the file manager (Thunar I believe). Is there a
right way to replace my current libmtp library?
4329 [23:03:12] <Iridos> the short answer is probably
"no"
4330 [23:03:21] <Iridos> judd, versions libmtp
4331 [23:03:21] <jercos> Fahrradkette: if there's perfect ABI
compatibiulity, sure. If not, you'd have to recompile thunar as
well.
4332 [23:03:22] <judd> No package named 'libmtp' was
found in amd64.
4333 [23:03:49] <markybob> Fahrradkette: you can have 1.1.10 from
backports
4334 [23:03:54] <Iridos> judd, versions libmtp-common
4335 [23:03:55] <judd> Package: libmtp-common on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.1.3-35-g0ece104-5; wheezy-backports: 1.1.8-1~bpo70+1; jessie:
1.1.8-1; jessie-backports: 1.1.10-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.10-2; sid:
1.1.10-2
4336 [23:03:56] <markybob> ,v libmtp-runtime
4337 [23:03:57] <judd> Package: libmtp-runtime on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.1.3-35-g0ece104-5; wheezy-backports: 1.1.8-1~bpo70+1; jessie:
1.1.8-1+b1; jessie-backports: 1.1.10-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.10-2;
sid: 1.1.10-2
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4339 [23:04:14] <Iridos> tee hee
4340 [23:04:16] <julius> karlpinc, could be
4341 [23:04:17] <Fahrradkette> I need 1.1.11 since my android
device is fairly new
4342 [23:04:38] <julius> karlpinc, just getting qemu to test
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4344 [23:04:45] <markybob> Fahrradkette: then you're on your
own
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4349 [23:05:24] <Fahrradkette> could I run 2 different versions,
i.e. just get some cli functionality running?
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4354 [23:07:49] <Iridos> Fahrradkette, you can wait until
it's at least in sid... or make your own package
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4356 [23:08:30] <Fahrradkette> guess so
4357 [23:08:46] <Iridos> but... apt-rdepends -r libmtp9 shows a
hell lot of stuff that is linked against the runtime library
4358 [23:09:13] <Iridos> that may be a good way to break a lot of
programs in one go
4359 [23:09:26] <humbobble> mtp still exists?
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4361 [23:09:57] <Iridos> Fahrradkette, there are programs like
uupdate to help updating an existing package with new source.
Can't remember that I've used it, though...
4362 [23:09:57] <Asuran> judd, versions calligra
4363 [23:09:58] <judd> Package: calligra on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:2.4.4-3; jessie: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1; sid: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1.2
4364 [23:10:18] <Fahrradkette> mby I could figure out on how to
add my device to the current version
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4367 [23:10:39] <Iridos> maybe
4368 [23:10:42] <Fahrradkette> cba going down the dependency hell
4369 [23:11:02] <Iridos> Fahrradkette, I think I would build the
library separately in /usr/local ...
4370 [23:11:30] <Iridos> at least I guess in the end you need
mainly /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmtp.so.9.x.x?
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4372 [23:12:54] <Iridos> hmm, maybe I don't understand too
well how that works
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4375 [23:13:16] <Iridos> I don't see that thunar would be
linked against libmtp.so.9
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4377 [23:13:54] <Fahrradkette> it's just a guess since the
device showed up in thunar
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4379 [23:14:07] <Iridos> mmh
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4382 [23:14:13] <Iridos> I hardly ever use filemanagers
4383 [23:14:42] <Iridos> and not mtp for some qears now, I think
4384 [23:15:14] <Iridos> even android phones now appear as just a
harddisk
4385 [23:15:25] <Iridos> the 90ies re-invented
4386 [23:15:41] <Iridos> hometime
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4388 [23:15:59] <Fahrradkette> omg
4389 [23:16:07] <Fahrradkette> just figured thunar did it for me
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4391 [23:16:33] <Fahrradkette> had to unlock the screen, it's
prolly really mounted as a harddisk
4392 [23:17:03] <alison_> hello. I am running jessie with
backports kernel and nvidia-legacy-340xx. All good except when I
suspend, it seems to work but then immediately resumes.
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4394 [23:17:20] <Fahrradkette> thanks for the effort Iridos, I
appreciate it:)
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4408 [23:22:11] <awal1> How to supervise cpu, ram... usage of X
process (single process? )
4409 [23:22:46] <jercos> top?
4410 [23:22:51] <jercos> how do you mean supervise?
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4413 [23:23:41] <jercos> top -p <pid> will let you observe a
single process' usage, but won't help if you're
looking to apply limits.
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4415 [23:24:16] <awal1> yeah, top, htop and similar packages do
the job but I want have ram, cpu... usage information of only 1
process (iceweasel, for example) not all my system
4416 [23:24:18] <julius> karlpinc, there was a little error in it,
but now the iso boots
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4419 [23:24:57] <awal1> jercos, top -p pid may be what I'm
looking for . ok, thanks
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4421 [23:25:39] <jercos> np :)
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4427 [23:27:46] <awal1> jercos, "top -p pidnumber", does
the job:) thanks
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4439 [23:33:42] <awal1> Looking for nice 'xmobar' config
files. Any one using xmobar and wanna share its config file
(paste.debian.net)
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4445 [23:34:24] <awal1> I have a nice 1, but looking for something
probably better (bcuz i'm not really familiar with hasksel
stuff)
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4447 [23:35:02] <stratum> is the proper way of spoofing wifi MAC
address in /etc/network/interfaces the same as with wired? hwaddress
ether?
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4449 [23:35:15] <stratum> it seemingly gets ignored in my case
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4455 [23:38:43] <axc1298> stratum: i just used apt-cache search
and found macchanger. you might want to try that
4456 [23:38:58] <stratum> i know about that, but thanks
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4465 [23:41:13] <teraflops> awal1: I just do dzen2, xmobar is easy
though, just google for xmonad/xmobar dotfiles
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4473 [23:44:14] <dimitry7> hi guys!
4474 [23:44:14] <dimitry7> i need help backing up 20TB of
information
4475 [23:44:14] <dimitry7> What are your recommendations?
4476 [23:44:14] <dimitry7> This backup has to be reliable and
Linux Debian compatible.
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4478 [23:44:27] <ToHellWithGA> i don't remember the order of
precedence between .bashrc .bash_profile .profile and .screenrc
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4481 [23:44:49] <ToHellWithGA> i need to add something to $PATH on
an otherwise stock debian installation. to which file should i add
it?
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4484 [23:45:35] <ToHellWithGA> 4 lines constitutes a flood? wow.
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4487 [23:47:29] <fishxz> any advices for a atheros wifi adapter?
my ping is rly unstable from time to time. its like a lag for 1-2
seconds every 1-2 mins.
4488 [23:47:39] <fishxz> on windows i have zero problems.
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4500 [23:50:59] <suexec_> I am trying to resize a partition.
resize2fs /dev/xvda1 45G . Gives error: The containing partition (or
device) is only 1243648 (4k) blocks. . cfdisk on /dev/xvda says
there is 45G free space on the device.
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4502 [23:51:04] <suexec_> What am I doing wrong ?
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4515 [23:58:13] <ToHellWithGA> suexec_: do it have to be done via
CLI? gParted is pretty nice.
4516 [23:58:22] <ToHellWithGA> s/do it /does it /
4517 [23:58:50] <suexec_> Server does not have gui :( I am trying
to boot the gParted live cd, but it's not doing its thing
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