• 0[00:00:08] <no_gravity> Maybe that is the reason?
• 1[00:01:05] <somiaj> could be, I don't have such a thing
• 2[00:01:24] <no_gravity> No inputrc?
• 3[00:01:44] <somiaj> my inputrc has one line, set bell-style none
• 4[00:01:49] <somiaj> so no such thing in my inputrc.
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• 7[00:04:06] <no_gravity> You could put it in and try.
• 8[00:04:49] <somiaj> I guess, or you could remove it form yours and try.
• 9[00:05:00] <no_gravity> Ha :)
• 10[00:05:38] <somiaj> I noticed no change, but I didn't fully logout, just launched a new interactive shell
• 11[00:05:50] <no_gravity> launching a new shell should be enough.
• 12[00:06:10] <somiaj> what I thought.
• 13[00:06:18] <no_gravity> Strange
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• 15[00:06:35] <no_gravity> Do you have the : command? What does 'help :' do?
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• 17[00:07:11] <somiaj> What are you running your shell through (what terminal/ssh/etc)?
• 18[00:07:41] <no_gravity> gnome terminal
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• 20[00:07:53] <no_gravity> help : tells me that : is a command.
• 21[00:07:56] <somiaj> I'm using xterm, wonder if it is a terminal thing
• 22[00:08:06] <somiaj> I get null command here
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• 24[00:08:12] <no_gravity> Yeah
• 25[00:08:15] <no_gravity> Me too
• 26[00:08:24] <RandomSerb> any good articles on what's the difference between gtk, xfce, gnome etc?
• 27[00:08:29] <no_gravity> Strange that menu-complete does not produce the same behaviour on your machine.
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• 29[00:08:48] <somiaj> RandomSerb: gtk is a widge set, xfce and gnome are desktop enviorments, so that is their difference.
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• 31[00:09:31] <somiaj> widge = widget
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• 60[00:25:53] <EdePopede> great. testing guake for the first time and while playing around in the options it leaves me with an unresponsive desktop. had to kill it from the tty, htop showing both CPU cores at their limit.
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• 65[00:27:23] <scwizard> EdePopede: stretch?
• 66[00:27:33] <EdePopede> aye
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• 69[00:28:34] <EdePopede> i was in the quick open tab in the settings
• 70[00:29:01] <scwizard> EdePopede: the stretch ver doesn't seem well maintained
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• 72[00:29:37] <EdePopede> may(!) have to do with transparency, i'm not sure what does what. only that my nvidia was really cheap years ago *g*
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• 74[00:30:30] <EdePopede> scwizard: it is really python?
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• 76[00:31:23] <EdePopede> and yes, little things show it sometimes... C-F2 is ist for tab #2 *and* rename
• 77[00:31:23] <scwizard> EdePopede: idk, but stretch is on 0.8.8-1, ubuntu is on 3.3.0-1, upstream is on 3.4.0
• 78[00:31:36] <EdePopede> uh... nice jump
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• 80[00:33:23] <EdePopede> i'm still on xterm: i want my mc working properly, i want my 256 colors, and so far no other terminal gave me all those things. but menus and shiny buttons. meh.
• 81[00:34:03] <scwizard> software in general, but packages too sure, the more people who are using it the less likely there are to be super painful bugs
• 82[00:34:10] <scwizard> so like everyone uses xterm so xterm should work pretty well
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• 84[00:35:00] <scwizard> guake idk, maybe the latest upstream is fine, software that's pre 1.0 you gotta temper your expectations though
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• 86[00:35:48] <scwizard> buster has the 3.4.x though so that's nice
• 87[00:36:06] <EdePopede> i hope it, at least it looks good and stays out of the way. did read it before but now that i've seen it... *crossing fingers for the bug hunters*
• 88[00:36:23] <EdePopede> buster is 10?
• 89[00:36:23] <scwizard> you should try installing buster and seeing if it works, could help narrow it down if it's your gfx card, your computer, the old ver, or what
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• 91[00:36:57] <EdePopede> may happen, i'm still in testing mode
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• 93[00:37:36] <scwizard> desktops are a good use case for testing branches anyway imo
• 94[00:37:40] <EdePopede> warped directly from wheezy to stretch, and there are quite a few changes
• 95[00:38:40] <EdePopede> i tried to open a 2nd X on tty8 some time ago, didn't work. should it?
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• 99[00:40:09] <scwizard> uhh that doesn't seem particularly sensible
• 100[00:40:37] <scwizard> gnome or whatever should be able to manage multiple monitors or whatever your use case is just fine
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• 103[00:41:32] <scwizard> if you try and hack X to do weird things stuff will break
• 104[00:41:39] <EdePopede> i don't think my card can. GT630, i think i've read years ago something like "don't ever expect such features for this one"
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• 106[00:42:19] <scwizard> i'm not sure what you're trying to do but yeah there are hardware limitations to having multiple monitors
• 107[00:42:36] <EdePopede> time to get that other pc running, still emptying the last partition of its "new" sysdisk
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• 111[00:43:24] <EdePopede> i wanted to play around with X stuff, desktops, trying out things. without breaking my default config
• 112[00:43:49] <EdePopede> how is it called... xsapphire or so? i think i should have it installed
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• 115[00:45:00] <EdePopede> and guake is behaving now. sleeping :)
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• 118[00:46:46] <EdePopede> ah, xephyr
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• 124[00:48:58] <EdePopede> and the binary even with a capital X
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• 129[00:52:21] <RandomSerb> how does an website like facebook know my timezxone?
• 130[00:53:12] <RandomSerb> when I installed my system, I have set the wrong timezone. I have then changed it, and clock is showing proper time now. But the problem is that all the other websites, like facebook, show wrong time
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• 141[00:59:04] <EdePopede> haven't been in my facebook account for some time now. but twitter (no account there) also shows me some US time.
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• 155[01:05:08] <joze> i am to stupid for facebook
• 156[01:05:15] <joze> *o
• 157[01:05:35] <joze> grabhjl
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• 159[01:06:22] <pagetelegram> I hear some employers ask for your facebook profile...so make a 'shinny' one
• 160[01:07:06] <hypn0> what if you don't have one :-/
• 161[01:07:11] <joze> i am an emplyier and ask of other odd stuff
• 162[01:07:24] <hypn0> then you don't exist?
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• 164[01:07:48] <joze> *o
• 165[01:08:03] <hypn0> or employers are stupid :-)
• 166[01:08:29] <EdePopede> hypn0: tell this the people at the border control, and if you're from IT, try to convince them
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• 168[01:09:09] <hypn0> no, I'd rather watch paint dry :-)
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• 170[01:09:44] <EdePopede> oh, there's even a movie iirc
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• 175[01:11:39] <EdePopede> Charlie Lyne, 14 hours of a wall with drying paintin 4K. only for the distraction of the members of the British Board of Film Certification
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• 178[01:12:32] <pagetelegram> Ok going to launch OBS and live broadcast this IRC on Facebook live...any freenode restrictions against that? Might be better than watching paint dry lol
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• 180[01:13:37] <annadane> idk. ask #freenode
• 181[01:13:38] <pagetelegram> Though it may cause a flood of new folks into IRC land...might give facebook users hope that there is 'something else.'
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• 184[01:14:26] <EdePopede> if you expect this, then maybe you should wait till next september ;)
• 185[01:14:54] <pagetelegram> If you build the bridge, they will cross it :P
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• 191[01:18:34] <awal1> how can I make 'moc' change volume only for itself, not the system volume?
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• 194[01:18:39] <EdePopede> what about a broadcast during your next clean debian installation? show them, no extra GB of updates, no nagware, no ads for some shop....
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• 198[01:22:00] <annadane> awal1, i guess change flat-volumes to 'no' in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
• 199[01:22:28] <awal1> annadane, i'll check that. thanks
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• 208[01:26:31] <awal1> annadane not the correct config option but thanks for your attention ;)
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• 211[01:26:54] <awal1> the correct/the needed :P
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• 216[01:29:12] <annadane> the needful
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• 268[02:15:49] <MaddieNX> evening everyone
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• 282[02:24:05] <exit-1_> whois exit-1
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• 298[02:50:55] <agio> anyone know how to get --human (human readable) output with `sar' command?
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• 302[02:52:09] <petemc> thats a new argument to me
• 303[02:52:26] <petemc> what does it do?
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• 305[02:53:43] <agio> shows values as MB,GB etc
• 306[02:53:52] <agio> instead of bytes
• 307[02:53:53] <petemc> ah
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• 309[02:54:11] <petemc> probably needs newer sysstat
• 310[02:54:52] <agio> or maybe its a fedora thing?
• 311[02:55:06] <agio> does debian have an equivalent?
• 312[02:55:09] <agio> option?
• 313[02:55:28] <petemc> centos 7.5 doeasnt have it
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• 315[02:55:54] <petemc> an equivalent of what?
• 316[02:56:11] <petemc> fedora? no
• 317[02:56:13] <agio> show as MB, GB etc...
• 318[02:56:40] <fassl_> sysstat 11.6.1-1 on ubuntu 18.04 has it
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• 322[02:58:32] <annadane> replaced-url
• 323[02:58:47] <annadane> Package: sysstat (11.6.1-1~bpo9+1)
• 324[02:59:13] <agio> ooh, wonder if that has it?
• 325[03:00:41] <at0m> ,v sysstat
• 326[03:00:42] <judd> Package: sysstat on amd64 -- wheezy: 10.0.5-1; jessie: 11.0.1-1; stretch: 11.4.3-2; stretch-backports: 11.6.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.0.1-1; sid: 12.0.1-1
• 327[03:00:48] <agio> anyway there is no option to show in MB, GB etc on earlier sysstat's?
• 328[03:01:23] <petemc> no
• 329[03:02:09] <annadane> i have so much cruft installed from backports, lol. can't wait til buster releases and i can wipe the entry from my sources and make it all buster
• 330[03:03:01] <at0m> annadane: and you wont do backporting on buster? ;p
• 331[03:03:09] <agio> hah
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• 334[03:03:52] <agio> sounds like you should just install unstable
• 335[03:04:07] <annadane> i'm good, thanks
• 336[03:04:12] <petemc> sar uses kbN a lot, does --humanize change that?
• 337[03:04:25] <agio> yes
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• 339[03:05:02] <petemc> cool
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• 343[03:05:16] <agio> is unstable the really unstable one - or is that testing?
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• 345[03:05:57] <annadane> depends who you ask... the DPL recommends unstable over testing if you're not wanting to use stable
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• 347[03:06:20] <fassl_> you might be able to use sed or awk to fix it for you xD
• 348[03:06:30] <annadane> there's anecdotal evidence of people running unstable for years with virtually no issue
• 349[03:06:39] <petemc> fassl_: can you pastebin sar -r please
• 350[03:07:04] <petemc> sar -r --humanize
• 351[03:07:10] <nyov> is aptosid still a thing, btw?
• 352[03:07:32] <annadane> idk. the only sid fork i know of is siduction
• 353[03:07:38] <annadane> (this is off topic though)
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• 355[03:08:46] <agio> petemc: replaced-url
• 356[03:09:04] <fassl_> sar -r --human
• 357[03:09:04] <fassl_> Cannot open /var/log/sysstat/sa20: No such file or directory
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• 360[03:09:31] <petemc> new install?
• 361[03:09:32] <nyov> maybe you r not human enough?
• 362[03:09:53] <fassl_> yes, new, but ubuntu
• 363[03:10:37] <annadane> then ask ubuntu support?
• 364[03:10:48] <agio> annadane: but one is more unstable than the other? my question is which is which?
• 365[03:11:35] <annadane> unstable in the sense of breakage? it's a tradeoff i guess, sid has more potential for system breaking bugs but testing has delayed fixes, thus some people run a mix
• 366[03:11:37] <annadane> YMMV
• 367[03:11:46] <petemc> neither, a quantum superposition of both
• 368[03:12:53] <annadane> i just wouldn't run rolling distros on a machine i need for work, i'd do it on a spare computer
• 369[03:13:48] <agio> ok, which one do changes go into first then? before minkowski space corrections?
• 370[03:14:06] <annadane> unstable
• 371[03:14:27] <fassl_> annadane, im not asking ;)
• 372[03:14:37] <annadane> oh sorry
• 373[03:14:45] <petemc> experimental
• 374[03:14:52] <fassl_> i just pointed out the version of that package which has the --human parameter
• 375[03:14:53] <annadane> yes but not everyone uploads to experimental
• 376[03:15:05] <annadane> whereas you *must* upload to sid for eventual inclusion into stable
• 377[03:15:14] <agio> so if no problems in unstable for a few weeks, then changes get copied into testing?
• 378[03:15:30] <agio> then eventually stable?
• 379[03:15:35] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 381[03:16:03] <agio> no, stable is one hugh release upgrade, right?
• 382[03:16:19] <annadane> yes, once every 2 years or so
• 383[03:16:22] <agio> s/hugh/huge
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• 386[03:16:57] <agio> so is sid and testing the same thing?
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• 388[03:17:12] <annadane> no. see the link
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• 390[03:17:55] <annadane> 'sid' is always unstable
• 391[03:18:11] <annadane> (because sid is the character in toy story who breaks the toys)
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• 395[03:19:12] <tharkun> Good $DAY on Mariadb the password for root user was set. Now logrotate fails to do its job. I've tried to locate the auth_socket.so file but it is not present and the only place that I've found that can be inserted is in debian.cnf but there is a note at the first row that states # Automatically generated for Debian scripts. DO NOT TOUCH! so where do I insert the password that is current for logrotate to be able to use it?
• 396[03:23:00] <nyov> tharkun: add a logrotate user + pass?
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• 398[03:24:06] <agio> i had no idea this is what debian developers look like:
• 399[03:24:09] <agio> replaced-url
• 400[03:24:09] <nyov> oh, the logrotate can't work without password for the db?
• 401[03:24:15] <tharkun> nyov: logrotate uses the root account but I don't seem to be able to let it know the root password
• 402[03:24:41] <Terrell> I am thinking about setting up a dual boot Debian USB flash drive. I am thinking 32 bit and 64 bit live (well would be CD years ago) and AFAIK both will use the same EXT4 partitioning and the installer will reformat. I have 4, 8, 16, 32 and 64 GB drives. Which should I choose? Note that I will want a VM (VMWARE or VirtualBox) and I will want to be able to use as a rescue disk and I will want GYPSY and I will want to be able to mount and run windows from
• 403[03:24:41] <Terrell> the HDD. If this is not a good idea why?
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• 405[03:24:50] <nyov> why does logrotate even need access to mysql
• 406[03:24:52] <agio> and why does debian always refer to devs and users as guy's?
• 407[03:25:19] <Terrell> tharkrun. I have never run into the problem. Doesn't it already have SU permissions?
• 408[03:25:20] <tharkun> nyov: logrotate needs to flush the logs on mysql then rename and start the new log.
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• 410[03:25:54] <tharkun> Terrell: logrotate is runned by a cron job owned by root.
• 411[03:26:22] <nyov> does mysql daemon not support USR1 signal "standard"?
• 412[03:26:29] <tharkun> The less I diverge from the beaten path the less maintenance I will need to schedule
• 413[03:26:35] <nyov> or HUP for flush
• 414[03:26:59] <tharkun> nyov: it is mariadb and I do not know.
• 415[03:27:03] <Terrell> tharkun for MYSQL it needs same permissions as the DBMS> Should not need root. I never ran into a problem but MYSQL was running on OpenBSD
• 416[03:27:33] <agio> i think there is an option in log rotate - to ping/reload the daemon after rotation?
• 417[03:27:38] <Terrell> Cron can be owned by root Logrotate doesn't or should not need to be
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• 419[03:27:55] <tharkun> Terrell: debian configured all of its scripts that use mysql/mariadb to use debian.cnf
• 420[03:28:04] <nyov> SIGHUP causes the server to reload the grant tables and to flush tables, logs, the thread cache, and the host cache. These actions are like various forms of the FLUSH statement.
• 421[03:28:07] <nyov> ^^ replaced-url
• 422[03:28:16] <nyov> should work for maria as well
• 423[03:28:28] <Terrell> I never ran mySQL on linux. Only on the servers under OpenBSD. But should be the same.
• 424[03:29:41] <tharkun> nyov: replaced-url
• 425[03:31:16] <nyov> tharkun, debian won't likely ever modify the signal handler of the binary executable. I don't see why that would become necessary
• 426[03:31:37] <nyov> so have logrotate send a SIGHUP and you won't need a login, I believe
• 427[03:32:11] <tharkun> nyov: me neither but making logrotate behave that way is too far from the beaten path. Giving it the root password I believe is the most sane option.
• 428[03:33:53] <nyov> how is a "postrotate /usr/bin/killall -HUP mariadbwhatever" too far from the beaten path? looks like a standard example in the logrotate.conf manpage
• 429[03:34:10] <Terrell> Has anyone set up a dual boot linux 32 bit and 64 bit usb stick?
• 430[03:34:16] <nyov> but okay, choose your own
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• 433[03:41:26] <nyov> agio: because english language sucks and doesn't have a better pronoun :) though that stickfigure doesn't look very male, so maybe it's a compromise? xD
• 434[03:41:38] <fassl_> Terrell, why you wanna do this?
• 435[03:41:53] <agio> nyov: hah :)
• 436[03:42:11] <nyov> actually it should be "they" or "their" but nobody cares much
• 437[03:42:26] <nyov> sounds too weird apparently
• 438[03:42:48] <themill> agio: also, it's not the Debian project, but one particular package with a bug that can be both reported and fixed
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• 440[03:44:23] <Terrell> fassl_, I am not sure its a good idea. I thought I would ask why not before I look to do it. I have both 64 bit and 32 machines. I just want to plug in a does it all stick
• 441[03:45:51] <Terrell> fassl_, a few years ago a built a multiboot machine with operating systems. Then I booted Debian and never rebooted. Well only for a power outage but our power is pretty good and I have a UPS and 3 years uptime is reasonable
• 442[03:46:06] <fassl_> Terrell, i think you must either go with bios grub or the 32-bit uefi one
• 443[03:46:19] <fassl_> and the rest is just a matter of installing two linux' on one stick
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• 445[03:47:34] <Terrell> ya I can use 32 bit grub. I just need to know. Is the EXT4 filesystem the same on both 32 and 64 bit? In winders they might say NTFS but each OS has a different version. I can make a joke on that.
• 446[03:47:46] <themill> agio: also replaced-url
• 447[03:48:04] * nyov wonders why it can't be LILO instead
• 448[03:48:31] <fassl_> replace must with can
• 449[03:48:39] <Terrell> fassl_, do you know what the great thing when you get old and get Altzheimers is? Each day you can wake up with a new woman. ya bad.
• 450[03:49:39] <Terrell> no. I don't want BIOS grub. I know some of my puters won't know about it
• 451[03:50:19] <Terrell> fassl_, now changing mustr to can has a new meaning?
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• 454[03:51:00] <fassl_> your bootloader should run on 32-bit systems is what i wanted to say, not that it has to be grub, thx to nyov for pointing out
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• 456[03:52:02] <Terrell> fassl_, yes. That is a given. But it will on a 64 bit because it has to run 32 bit backwards compatibility. I have never yet run a 64 bit machine. I have 2
• 457[03:52:25] <Terrell> how big a USB? 4 8 16 32 64?
• 458[03:52:36] <nyov> nah, I wonder why lilo died. When your next stage was broke somehow and it recursed, it would print LILOLILOLILOLILOLILO... and if you look at that just wrong, it's obviously NSFW
• 459[03:52:46] <nyov> I *don't
• 460[03:53:24] <Terrell> nyov... what language do you like? I was going to find me a RUSSIAN woman after my wife died. Almost did.
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• 464[03:58:22] <tharkun> nyov: logrotate uses mysqladmin and it seems that one does require the root access. I will do a terrible hack which I don't like.
• 465[03:58:31] <tharkun> Terrell: Sorry about your wife.
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• 467[03:59:31] <Terrell> tharkun, be more sorry about my son and his wife. Police shot her. She was 27. They were not yet at their first aniversary
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• 471[04:00:34] <tharkun> Terrell: My condolences to your son. I have no words to express myself.
• 472[04:00:39] <Terrell> look up Jessiac Patterson and Joseph Larson. Look up the ASIRT report. Google seems to have missed it. wife at 36. son at 34 and daughter in law at 27
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• 475[04:01:58] <Terrell> Joseph was a company builder. Prevalent Productions out of GR 12 and Mountain Park when he was 24. He bought his 1st condo while in 2nd year uni. Full schollership. On the deans list. They did not ask for tuition.
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• 477[04:02:51] <Terrell> but then I called them my 3 musketeers! On Grade 10 they set up replaced-url
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• 481[04:04:49] <themill> Terrell: perhaps you were looking for ##chat
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• 483[04:05:02] <tharkun> themill: My fault..
• 484[04:05:24] <themill> not really
• 485[04:05:57] <Terrell> tharkun, The boys came into my office (which is at home) and said they want to register a domain and use the servers (check replaced-url
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• 491[04:09:58] <Terrell> tharkun, no. I am looking for experiance setting up a USB stick able to boot 32 bit and 64 bit and run a VM and act as a rescue disk and be able to mount and run winders if I have to. A live install. I am going into CNC and 3D design programs and so forth. I will need windows for some of this. But I want Linux as my foundation.
• 492[04:10:25] <Terrell> Last I did this my son was 6
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• 494[04:12:23] <Terrell> tharkun, I can write a howto. I did 5 operating systems in 1998. on a 400 mHz celron. Next upgraded the CPU to 1.3 gHz tualatiun core. It ran for more than a decade. Time to upgrade and do it again.
• 495[04:12:35] <tharkun> Terrell: USB sticks are cheap. I have a set of 4 8GB sticks for different purposes. They also brake down so having one with a big 32 an other with a big 64 is more efficient than trying to set up one with both. The only time I setted up something more complex was when booting over the network where I had to maintain 5 or 6 images simultanously for people to boot.
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• 497[04:13:49] <Terrell> tharkun, that is good information. I have all sizes. none are used. They are cheap.
• 498[04:13:50] * tharkun will deny the contents of the isb stick with the little black skull.
• 499[04:14:53] <Terrell> I will find a church and a priest but I know one where we get free dinner on Mondays. Fly in to Calgary. Sit at our table. :-)
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• 517[04:15:43] <Terrell> channel spilt. At least I have IRC running on winders
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• 527[04:19:12] <Terrell> tharkun, are you still here? Where are you located? I am in Calgary Canada
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• 539[04:36:02] <Terrell> I might be the island
• 540[04:36:06] <annadane> hai
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• 575[05:21:15] <m_g_lewis> Anybody know the channel for Openoffice?
• 576[05:23:23] <DevilTiger> my usb soundcard has two outputs but pulseaudio is only showing one general output for both
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• 579[05:25:47] <awal1> m_g_lewis, #Openoffice.org
• 580[05:27:32] <m_g_lewis> awal1: Thanks!
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• 613[05:59:03] <m_g_lewis> I edited /etc/environment and added PATH=$PATH:/opt/openoffice4/program to the file and after I saved it all of my commands (ls, bash, mkdir, etc.) disappeared...how do I add this path to my PATH environment?
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• 638[06:29:49] <m_g_lewis> I edited /etc/environment and added PATH=$PATH:/opt/openoffice4/program to the file and after I saved it all of my commands (ls, bash, mkdir, etc.) disappeared...how do I add this path to my PATH environment?
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• 684[06:51:31] <gpled> can i install virtualbox in debian 9?
• 685[06:51:54] <sahar69> yes
• 686[06:51:59] <gpled> how?
• 687[06:52:24] <sahar69> sudo apt install virtualbox or build from source
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• 689[06:53:17] <gpled> Package 'virtualbox' has no installation candidate
• 690[06:54:27] <gpled> debian 9 has been out for awhile now. is this some kind of political thing?
• 691[06:55:38] <sahar69> so build from source , i was able to install , i just try right now, and i get the same output
• 692[06:55:46] <sahar69> has no installlation candidate
• 693[06:55:57] <port500> Enable the stretch-backports repository.
• 694[06:56:19] <port500> And no, it's not a political issue. Oracle was being... well, Oracle, when it came to security support.
• 695[06:57:09] <port500> replaced-url
• 696[06:57:47] <sahar69> or try this
• 697[06:57:49] <sahar69> replaced-url
• 698[06:58:45] <port500> Using the available repository will generally be a better choice, as you'll avoid the need to manually update the package every time an update exists.
• 699[06:59:22] <port500> Though Virtualbox does provide an apt repo as well.
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• 702[07:03:21] <sahar69> ohhh,, thats already the .deb file not the source
• 703[07:03:40] <APOLLO42O> for sure enable backports repo.. best option imo
• 704[07:05:17] <gpled> backport? should i be running an older version of debian instead of 9?
• 705[07:07:06] <m_g_lewis> I edited /etc/environment and added PATH=$PATH:/opt/openoffice4/program to the file and after I saved it all of my commands (ls, bash, mkdir, etc.) disappeared...how do I add this path to my PATH environment?
• 706[07:07:57] <naicha> gpled: backports are packages taken from the next debian release, adjusted and recompiled for stable release replaced-url
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• 712[07:12:47] <gpled> naicha: thank you. i always thought back port meant from back distros, forward port seems like a better name :)
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• 714[07:14:08] <port500> They're ported back from future releases. They're not being ported forward to newer ones.
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• 720[07:16:04] <gpled> naicha: are you Okinawan?
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• 742[07:36:02] <gpled> ありがとうございましたありがとうございました
• 743[07:36:50] <gpled> Woops. sorry if english only
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• 751[07:40:20] <sahar69> how can you write japanese?
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• 756[07:41:01] <nkuttler> i'm just guessing, but perhaps using a keyboard?
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• 759[07:41:13] <naicha> gpled: I can't display non-ascii character in current environment, if you wrote something for me
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• 761[07:41:16] <sahar69> hehe
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• 776[07:47:36] <hyper_ch> is there a way to create a debian install cd with zfs on it and uefi capabale?
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• 784[07:52:55] <m_g_lewis> I edited /etc/environment and added PATH=$PATH:/opt/openoffice4/program to the file and after I saved it all of my commands (ls, bash, mkdir, etc.) disappeared...how do I add this path to my PATH environment?
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• 795[08:10:25] <naicha> m_g_lewis: it says shell expansions don't work in /etc/environment, did you try adding path with ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile? replaced-url
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• 827[08:36:54] <hyper_ch> I tried to create a custom cd with zfs included... but now in the installer it just wants to auto-partition to ext4 and I don't have any other option. If I say "no" it will return to the same screen and partition scheme again
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• 833[08:41:39] <hyper_ch> those replaced-url
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• 835[08:43:33] <n4dir> how did you create the custom CD ?
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• 838[08:44:02] <n4dir> the other thing: not sure if that will help with your problem, but you sure can omit formatting the chosen partitions
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• 840[08:44:15] <n4dir> probably when choosing "manual partitioning" (or similar)
• 841[08:44:42] <hyper_ch> n4dir: there was no option to chose manual partitioning and zfs wasn't loaded either in the ccd and couldn't modprobe it
• 842[08:44:55] <n4dir> ah, i see. sorry then
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• 844[08:45:14] <hyper_ch> it's ok.... it would have been great if it was that simple :)
• 845[08:45:52] <hyper_ch> I'm trying to get debian installed on remote server in uefi with root zfs where I use the /dev/sdx9 partition created by zpool as ESP
• 846[08:46:13] <n4dir> wait a second. I misread. On a usual debian installation iso there sure is a way to manually partition.
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• 848[08:47:15] <hyper_ch> n4dir: yes, but with the simple ccd it just presented a layout and whether I wanna accept it or not... and if I press "n", it will do some stuff and present the same again
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• 861[08:53:01] <m_g_lewis> naicha: I'll check that out about the ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile and the link you sent me...Thanks!
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• 864[08:53:36] <n4dir> hyper_ch: not really in the subject of zfs, but that is the bigger problem ?
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• 867[08:54:38] <n4dir> even if you can partition, you will still have zfs not loaded, like that.
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• 874[09:02:34] <m_g_lewis> Is Apace Openoffice still under developement? I notice that Libreoffice is version 5 whereas Openoffice is version 4...what's the difference between the two?
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• 876[09:04:01] <m_g_lewis> ^Apache
• 877[09:04:16] <hyper_ch> n4dir: it's bot a problem
• 878[09:05:15] <n4dir> hyper_ch: i can't promise anything, but refractainstaller is a simple bash script to install a live CD, refractasnaphot will create an installable iso of a running system
• 879[09:05:47] <n4dir> being bash scripts at least you can look at them ... i would rather think the former (as the latter adds the usual debian-installer, iirc)
• 880[09:06:19] <n4dir> you could do similar things with debian-helper/debian_builder, but i don't think anymore. Might be worth looking in too ...
• 881[09:06:25] <n4dir> anyway: good luck.
• 882[09:06:30] <hyper_ch> n4dir: I just asked hetzner to load up the debian live cd in a kvm
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• 900[09:17:39] <n4dir> hyper_ch: not sure if that makes it any more clear, also they do something slightly different: replaced-url
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• 902[09:18:00] <n4dir> it is a bit awkward, not that intuitive, but it is possible (assuming debian-installer didn't change completely, i doubt that)
• 903[09:20:07] <hyper_ch> n4dir: that menu didn't even show up
• 904[09:20:18] <hyper_ch> and I didn't use the gui installr
• 905[09:20:36] <n4dir> they are nearly the same. At least the workflow
• 906[09:20:42] <hyper_ch> it just presented how it will partition the image file and if I press "n"... it will return after few seconds to the same screen again
• 907[09:21:06] <n4dir> k, let me boot an old laptop and have a look (if you have to leave in a few seconds, stop me ... )
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• 920[09:30:11] <n4dir> mhh. with the debian-installer manual is straight forward. probably debian-cdd does it different. I don't know it.
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• 926[09:35:08] <hyper_ch> n4dir: that's why I posted to you the config I used for simple ccd
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• 1027[10:51:42] <bzf-> Hi! I recently bought a laptop (Thinkpad x260) and installed Debian 9.5 stable onto it. It seems that it won't boot unless I pass either the nolapic or acpi=off flags in grub when booting. If I do that the system boots, but it only recognizes one core of the CPU. Does anyone have any ideas what it could be?
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• 1036[10:55:30] <veek> wrt the src code for the debian installer d-i where's the load-media and mbr-udeb module at??
• 1037[10:55:43] <veek> the salsa find file thing didn't display anything
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• 1087[11:32:09] <ukine> twice the power of 32bit
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• 1091[11:35:26] <ukine> =4
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• 1123[12:16:23] <pagios> hi, i want to rsync from my linux client machine into a windows server to incrementally copy files, what sofltware should i install on my windows server? Thanks
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• 1126[12:18:29] <dutchfish> pagios, nothing. You can do this over a windows share. If i understand your question correctly.
• 1127[12:18:40] <pagios> i dont want to mount an smb
• 1128[12:19:27] <dutchfish> pagios, next best thing is to install nfs on the windows server, but that makes it more difficult, security wise.
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• 1130[12:20:50] <dutchfish> pagios, if this is a brand new server, ssh might be the 3th possibility, but that is not that performant
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• 1132[12:21:10] <pagios> can i incrementally copy over FPT?
• 1133[12:21:12] <pagios> FTP
• 1134[12:21:22] <dutchfish> pagios, nope and nope
• 1135[12:21:37] <dutchfish> pagios, ftp is out of the question
• 1136[12:21:38] <pagios> so i have to go with rsync
• 1137[12:21:47] <noln> what about the rsync daemon
• 1138[12:21:54] <dutchfish> pagios, rsync over ssh can be done
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• 1140[12:22:41] <dutchfish> pagios, it all depends alot on your circumstances, what would be best
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• 1147[12:32:34] <dutchfish> pagios, dont use 3th party tools on your win box, since win 2016 there is a openssh feature.
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• 1150[12:32:56] <pagios> its 2012
• 1151[12:33:13] <dutchfish> pagios, skip that one, its unsafe for what you want.
• 1152[12:33:23] <pagios> cygwin-rsyncd-3.1.2.1_installer.exe
• 1153[12:33:25] <pagios> goin with this
• 1154[12:33:34] <dutchfish> pagios, very bad choice.
• 1155[12:33:40] <pagios> Why
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• 1158[12:33:53] <dutchfish> pagios, it has at least 80 security bugs.
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• 1160[12:34:32] <dutchfish> (probably more)
• 1161[12:35:39] <pagios> what is best then
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• 1165[12:36:37] <dutchfish> pagios, a linux server for that would be my first choice (rsync over ssh). If you insist on using a windows server. Go the win 2016 route, with its build openssh feature.
• 1166[12:37:07] <pagios> lol
• 1167[12:37:17] <pagios> so i upgrade the whole server to get that featruer.. funny
• 1168[12:37:39] <dutchfish> pagios, i dont know your exact goal. Just keep it safe.
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• 1172[12:38:33] <dutchfish> pagios, and security isnt funny, it is a neccesity.
• 1173[12:39:55] <pagios> cygwin-rsyncd-3.1.2.1_installer.exe
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• 1182[12:50:21] <kopper> pagios: Talking about funny, you decide to use stuff glued together with bubblegum and bird spit instead of considering proper alternatives
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• 1266[13:52:23] <m712> hey
• 1267[13:52:33] <m712> how can I get 32-bit build-deps for a package?
• 1268[13:52:48] <m712> i'm trying to build an old version of wine (for compat)
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• 1270[13:53:04] <m712> i tried wine:i386 but E: Unable to find a source package for wine:i386
• 1271[13:53:20] <apollo13> did you add the sources at all?
• 1272[13:54:23] <m712> apollo13: i can install the 64-bit build deps
• 1273[13:54:31] <apollo13> that does not answer my question
• 1274[13:54:37] <m712> what do you mean then
• 1275[13:54:45] <apollo13> did you add the relevant deb-src lines for i386?
• 1276[13:54:58] <apollo13> maybe they are different for 64 & 32 bit, who knows
• 1277[13:55:00] <m712> i have deb-src replaced-url
• 1278[13:55:13] <m712> i did dpkg-add-architecture
• 1279[13:55:16] <m712> or something like that
• 1280[13:55:35] <apollo13> what does apt-cache policy wine:i386 say?
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• 1282[13:55:55] <m712> apollo13: replaced-url
• 1283[13:56:02] <m712> huh?
• 1284[13:56:04] <apollo13> well there is no version
• 1285[13:56:14] <apollo13> so why do you think you can pull build deps for it
• 1286[13:56:22] <apollo13> also sid is off topic here
• 1287[13:56:53] <m712> the issue isn't sid
• 1288[13:57:12] <apollo13> if you say so
• 1289[13:57:24] <apollo13> the topic still asks for testing and unstable to go to #debian-next
• 1290[13:58:06] <m712> there's usually nobody there
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• 1299[14:04:51] <outoftime> m712: use `apt search wine` to search for package
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• 1301[14:05:41] <outoftime> m712: according to naming of libc6-dev-i386, 32 bit wine would have different name with ubuntu's version
• 1302[14:05:59] <m712> outoftime: there's a wine32 but build-dep selects wine instead of it
• 1303[14:06:03] <guesOo> hi guys. I mounted an ntfs partition where I'd like to save files to. When trying to save a file I get the error that there is no space left. Looking at the free space and amount of free inodes, everything looks good.
• 1304[14:06:07] <m712> oh well, don't worry about it
• 1305[14:06:25] <guesOo> when I remove a file I can save another.
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• 1307[14:06:55] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: you must read alot
• 1308[14:07:35] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: because its hard to get your concepts?\
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• 1310[14:08:14] <guesOo> rabbitear_sdf: sorry?
• 1311[14:08:26] <guesOo> read about what?
• 1312[14:08:42] <outoftime> m712: "i'm trying to build an old version of wine (for compat)" why do you thing you need 32-bti build-deps?
• 1313[14:09:36] <guesOo> last time I get the error "no space left" it was the number of free inodes, so I thought it may be the same case, but this time the number seems to be ok
• 1314[14:10:01] <warai_otoko> where do I find the file system initramfs shows me??
• 1315[14:10:09] <rabbitear_sdf> no guesOo
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• 1317[14:10:21] <rabbitear_sdf> you can figure it out
• 1318[14:10:30] <warai_otoko> and where do I find the folder /scripts there?
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• 1320[14:10:49] <bites> m712: wine is the source package. when compiling it creates both the wine32 and wine64 binary package and a bunch more. build-dep can obviously only install build dependencies for source packages.
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• 1325[14:12:26] <rabbitear_sdf> it seems nice to have debian to blame, but like, evenually you'll just be embrassing your own country yelling about things that are wrong
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• 1328[14:13:27] <guesOo> rabbitear_sdf: sry don't quite get it. I thought there is a max number of inodes and as one inode is per file, it is not possible to create files when I run out of inodes
• 1329[14:13:38] <rabbitear_sdf> nobody cares
• 1330[14:13:42] <rabbitear_sdf> its just a comment
• 1331[14:13:55] <rabbitear_sdf> you can say whatever, I don't care
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• 1334[14:17:53] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: max number of inodes in memory at once
• 1335[14:17:59] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: you can change...
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• 1338[14:18:45] <rabbitear_sdf> hands are sticky, blame it on the Apple, but from fullcircle (sp) dot com
• 1339[14:19:22] <guesOo> rabbitear_sdf: I know I can change the max numer of inodes but as I only use 2% it should be ok, so there should be another reason
• 1340[14:20:10] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: I don't get your original probblem...
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• 1342[14:20:16] <rabbitear_sdf> maybe because I wasn't here
• 1343[14:20:52] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: what is up with inodes?
• 1344[14:22:38] <guesOo> rabbitear_sdf: my original problem is. I can't save files to an ntfs partition, which does have space AND free inodes.
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• 1348[14:24:20] <bites> guesOo: how did you mount it? which driver did you use?
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• 1352[14:25:41] <rabbitear_sdf> quite: ..............
• 1353[14:26:04] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: there is another package in debian you have to install
• 1354[14:26:21] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: its ntfs-**SOMETHING**
• 1355[14:26:42] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: and then you will be able to write to your filesystem
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• 1357[14:27:19] <guesOo> rabbitear_sdf: I do have the ntfs driver installed (don't rememnber which one)
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• 1359[14:27:38] <guesOo> rabbitear_sdf: I CAN write to the partition but ONLY when I remove a file
• 1360[14:28:16] <guesOo> so it looks like a inode thing to me but df tells me there ARE enough free indoes
• 1361[14:28:19] <guesOo> *inodes
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• 1363[14:28:52] <rabbitear_sdf> its probably not the inodes
• 1364[14:29:29] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: I should start blaming it on your, and saying you did something because it works out of the box
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• 1366[14:29:40] <guesOo> ??
• 1367[14:29:45] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: lol
• 1368[14:29:52] <bites> you should notice by now that he won't help you.
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• 1370[14:30:04] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: I don't know, but I can tell you ntfs mounting can work
• 1371[14:30:12] <guesOo> bites: thx
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• 1373[14:30:29] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: it's not about inodes
• 1374[14:30:38] <guesOo> rabbitear_sdf: ok thx
• 1375[14:30:39] <bites> i would make a backup of the drive and run fsck on it.
• 1376[14:30:56] <guesOo> bites: already did a ntfsfix
• 1377[14:31:39] <guesOo> (still the same behaviour)
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• 1379[14:31:55] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: you should read the drive with another computer, at your point
• 1380[14:32:16] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: a live usb something
• 1381[14:32:26] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: you'll probably see the difference
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• 1383[14:33:58] <guesOo> rabbitear_sdf: ??? how would reading the fs with another computer help to identify what makes debian think there is no space left?
• 1384[14:34:52] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: when you think like it can't, you'll be stuck there
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• 1392[14:42:31] <rabbitear_sdf> guesOo: seeya 7 days later, gave up on it
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• 1425[15:06:14] <guesOo> bites: weird things are going on. Just removed a file from the top directory and created some empty files there and now it seems to work o.O
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• 1438[15:14:10] <bites> guesOo: maybe chkdsk on windows can find what's wrong with it, if you have a windows machine at hand.
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• 1444[15:16:36] <guesOo> >>windows
• 1445[15:16:43] <guesOo> I once heard there is such a thing
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• 1447[15:17:06] <bites> well, you are using a proprietary microsoft file system :P
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• 1459[15:23:26] <outoftime> guesOo: can you show `lsblk -f` and `df -h` of mounted partition?
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• 1463[15:24:12] <kexec> hello, i want to always use the debian testing branch, so i instaled debian using the testing netinst iso. when modyfing sources.list, i see that there are lines ".../debian-securiy buster/updates main". can these be commented out?
• 1464[15:25:43] <outoftime> kexec: testing uses security patches from sid, so no, if you want to stay secure (there are article on wiki about it for stable version)
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• 1470[15:27:18] <outoftime> kexec: read this replaced-url
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• 1474[15:29:36] <outoftime> kexec: this is your answer replaced-url
• 1475[15:29:57] <kexec> outoftime: thanks, i'll take a look
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• 1479[15:30:53] <outoftime> kexec: also I strongly recommend to read debian-reference
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• 1487[15:32:16] <outoftime> ,v debian-reference
• 1488[15:32:17] <judd> Package: debian-reference on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.50; jessie: 2.58; stretch: 2.68; buster: 2.73; sid: 2.73
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• 1497[15:40:08] <oo_miguel> I removed my graphics card (since it is broken) and now use the onboard intel chip. How can I get back openGL support?
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• 1499[15:40:15] <guesOo> outoftime: dunno if that's of any help as it seems to work now, but you go: sda1 ntfs MYLABEL MYUUID /media/MYMOUNTPOINT
• 1500[15:40:21] <oo_miguel> I was using the proprieatary nvidia drivers before
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• 1502[15:40:41] <guesOo> /dev/sda1 490G 253G 237G 52% /media/
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• 1504[15:41:01] <guesOo> */media/MYMOUNTPOINT
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• 1506[15:41:15] <kexec> outoftime: yeah, thanks. and may i ask, how does the sources.list should look like when using the testing codename? is this okay? replaced-url
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• 1509[15:43:04] <nyov> looks good
• 1510[15:43:19] <guesOo> afk
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• 1512[15:44:14] <outoftime> !paste
• 1513[15:44:14] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 1514[15:44:18] <outoftime> guesOo: ^^^
• 1515[15:44:31] <nyov> outoftime: he didn't
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• 1517[15:44:37] <nyov> paste more than 2 lines, that is
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• 1526[15:51:05] <rabbitear_sdf> paste 5 lines
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• 1529[15:51:39] <outoftime> kexec: looks fine but I'm not sure, using stable version.
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• 1532[15:53:13] <rabbitear_sdf> outoftime: thats a pretty clear statement
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• 1538[15:56:01] <outoftime> rabbitear_sdf: using stable because I'm not able to use testing. I want to learn everything about debian first, the problem is that it takes a lot of time.
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• 1543[15:57:15] <rabbitear_sdf> outoftime: and that isn't ever gonna change, mr. sir!
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• 1548[15:58:36] <outoftime> rabbitear_sdf: my head will blow up if I'll continue reading today. So yeah, amount of work to do will not change, but tomorrow will be easier.
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• 1567[16:06:47] <rabbitear_sdf> outoftime: stop comparing [you/them/blah] and learn about stuff like you like
• 1568[16:07:21] <rabbitear_sdf> like, whatever opens your eyes
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• 1579[16:09:58] <nyov> oo_miguel: update-alternatives --config glx seems good
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• 1711[17:46:36] <Terrell> I am still asking for opinions. Is a multiboot 32bit and 64 bit USB flash drive a bad idea and if so why?
• 1712[17:48:00] <diogenes_> Terrell, what do you mean 32 and 64?
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• 1719[17:48:43] <Terrell> both boot images. I run both old 32 bit machines and newer 64 bit as well.
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• 1721[17:49:23] <diogenes_> you mean to store 32 and 64 iso one a multiboot usb?
• 1722[17:49:28] <diogenes_> and run them
• 1723[17:49:30] <Terrell> yes
• 1724[17:49:44] <diogenes_> so what's the issue there? i got such a usb stick
• 1725[17:49:45] <Terrell> one or the other
• 1726[17:49:50] <diogenes_> bunch of 64 and 32 isos
• 1727[17:50:06] <Terrell> okay. How big a USB?
• 1728[17:50:29] <diogenes_> i got 16 Gb
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• 1730[17:51:03] <Terrell> okay. I have a few of them. Now to do this froim a crappy winders 7 machine? how?
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• 1732[17:51:33] <diogenes_> there wat yumi multiboot (something)
• 1733[17:51:42] <diogenes_> very nice piece of spoftware
• 1734[17:52:01] <Terrell> I have done multiboot before
• 1735[17:52:34] <diogenes_> here
• 1736[17:52:35] <diogenes_> replaced-url
• 1737[17:53:08] <Terrell> great. THanks. Now I go read.
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• 1739[17:54:10] <Terrell> diogenes_, what Planet are you on. Guys like you are precious!
• 1740[17:54:37] <diogenes_> Terrell, lol
• 1741[17:54:53] <diogenes_> of course not from the Earth, it sucks :)
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• 1745[17:56:19] <Terrell> diogenes_, you can laugh and I will find a geek to knock on my woman's door at Griffiths university. And tell her I want her first born son! She will laugh
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• 1748[17:57:12] <diogenes_> Terrell, lol, i bet you got plenty more of such stories to tell :))
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• 1750[17:57:48] <Terrell> ya. But not for today. I need to read up up PenDriveLinux.
• 1751[17:58:04] <diogenes_> ok ok
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• 1753[18:00:22] <Terrell> diogenes_, Lyn found me on the net. LOL. Yup. So I said I will come to OZ and meet up with you. And I did. For 3 months. I am not allowed to work in the land of OZ. But I was under contract with the Federal Government of Canada and they did not restrict where I can work. So I choose Brisbane. And hopped on a plane.
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• 1755[18:01:43] <diogenes_> Terrell, Lyn?
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• 1757[18:03:11] <Terrell> My prospect wife. Tucked safely into campus in the Land of Oz. In Brisbane
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• 1759[18:03:43] <Terrell> I need to read pendrive linux. Its my next step
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• 1815[18:36:23] <guesOo> ok, now I got the same error again. :(
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• 1835[18:47:24] <redstripe> apt-get update gives err: 'replaced-url
• 1836[18:47:47] <redstripe> what am I doing wrong? can someone help?
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• 1845[18:53:14] <guesOo> ok, so deleting one file allows me to create one file. Deleting two files allows me to create two new files. Sonds like some inode problems.
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• 1848[18:53:59] <nyov> redstripe: fix your connection
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• 1850[18:54:12] <nyov> redstripe: or proxy
• 1851[18:54:31] <nyov> "Connection failed" should be kinda obvious?
• 1852[18:54:33] <RoyK> guesOo: perhaps check fs.file-max and similar with sysctl
• 1853[18:54:58] <redstripe> nyov: ping works
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• 1856[18:55:17] <redstripe> nyov: not sure what the connection error is then
• 1857[18:55:17] <Terrell> nyov back on team eh? Great!
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• 1863[18:57:39] <Surgo> Why isn't Amarok in the repos for buster?
• 1864[18:59:10] <nyov> redstripe: I don't know about those strange two mirrors, but 'replaced-url
• 1865[18:59:24] <nyov> ,v amarok
• 1866[18:59:25] <judd> Package: amarok on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.6~beta1+75.g47e75df-1; jessie: 2.8.0-2.1+b1; stretch: 2.8.0-8; sid: 2.9.0-1+b1
• 1867[18:59:28] <redstripe> thanks, will fix that\
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• 1870[19:00:10] <nyov> Surgo: replaced-url
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• 1877[19:02:33] <xsisec> Hi guys I have two soundcards one realtek and also a hyperX 7.1 audio though I wonder how I can get the input from realtek as output for the hyperX 7.1?
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• 1879[19:02:49] <nyov> Surgo: specifically, Qt4 will be removed from buster and amarok depends on qt4 webkit apparently
• 1880[19:03:01] <Surgo> Oh. :(
• 1881[19:04:04] <Surgo> xsisec, use a male 3.5mm to male 3.5mm cable.
• 1882[19:04:13] <Surgo> Easiest way ever.
• 1883[19:04:19] <Surgo> Admittedly it's jank
• 1884[19:04:21] <Surgo> But it works
• 1885[19:04:28] <xsisec> I do that.. though I can't hear my mic
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• 1887[19:06:15] <nyov> xsisec: assuming they're in the same machine, I think jack is for pro-sound stuff *g*. you can probably get that to work with pulseaudio though
• 1888[19:07:00] <nyov> with pavucontrol you can link the inputs and outputs somewhat. if you don't go for commandline-fu
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• 1892[19:08:49] <xsisec> this is how it looks like --> CONFIGURATION: replaced-url
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• 1894[19:10:18] <xsisec> also audio manager --> replaced-url
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• 1897[19:12:27] <xsisec> The issue is that.. I am only able to select for "Output device "the built-in audio analog stereo. I need somehow help to be able to change the Built-in Audio analog stereo to HyperX 7.1
• 1898[19:12:44] <xsisec> though is that altenative not available.
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• 1904[19:16:30] <nyov> i had to remove my 2nd sound card at some point, and can't really remember the options there
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• 1907[19:17:27] <xsisec> that's not possible since the HyperX is external imagine that I have a headset + mic external USB then I use Line-in for guitar in realtek
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• 1922[19:30:04] <TinkerTiger> Playing around in class a few days ago, we discovered that if you delete a user and then add a new user, the new user gains access to any files that are still on the system from the deleted user.
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• 1940[19:46:33] <nyov> true. if user id's are reused, you will have that result
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• 1948[19:54:17] <TinkerTiger> Right. By default, I expected a unique ID being used, at least for a period of time. However, by default, the user ID is immediately reused.
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• 1951[19:55:40] <nyov> TinkerTiger: /etc/passwd assigns id's to users and groups, and the filesystem uses those id's in user/group permissions instead of names. so if the user is purged from /etc/passwd, it will forget and reuse the id, while nothing changed the actual id's on the files on disk
• 1952[19:57:10] <TinkerTiger> nyov: Yes, I know that. Why are you explaining this?
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• 1956[19:58:22] <nyov> since you didn't appear to know, from the wording of your "discovery". apologies
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• 1959[19:59:56] <TinkerTiger> nyov: What I didn't know what that the useradd command immediately reused the same user ID. I expected it to use the 'next available' because I consider this a, likely very minor, security concern for organizations with multi-user computer systems.
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• 1962[20:00:20] <TinkerTiger> In my nearly 30 years of using Unix/Linux, I have never ran into this.
• 1963[20:00:20] <nyov> disable the user, set login shell /bin/false and keep the id occupied, if the behavior doesn't suit you
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• 1965[20:00:39] <nyov> possibly an issue, i agree
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• 1967[20:00:53] <TinkerTiger> nyov:That sounds like a better method, yes.
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• 1970[20:01:59] <TinkerTiger> nyov: Actually, thank you. I'm going to make a note and bring this to class on Monday.
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• 1972[20:02:19] <nyov> TinkerTiger: organizations with multi-user machines might not use plain-text file auth
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• 1974[20:02:39] <nyov> they likely use LDAP or something to keep track of user-ids
• 1975[20:03:17] <TinkerTiger> nyov: True, but this is the generic Linux class and not the security or network classes. :)
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• 1977[20:03:45] <nyov> just saying. plain files is only one possible backend for nsswitch
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• 1984[20:06:19] <TinkerTiger> nyov: Indeed. This is new territory for me because for most of my time I've been a user, experimentor and now I'll be teaching peeps on how to use this for enterprise use.
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• 1993[20:08:44] <nyov> TinkerTiger: if you feel this an important design or security issue, though, by all means file a bug report. perhaps people will agree that this behavior is dangerous and should be changed
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• 1995[20:10:05] <TinkerTiger> nyov: I don't think it's that serious, especially for reasons which you suggested.
• 1996[20:10:36] <TinkerTiger> I can actually see how it could be useful, too.
• 1997[20:11:04] <m_g_lewis> I refer to replaced-url
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• 1999[20:12:07] <nyov> TinkerTiger: btw, debian uses adduser/deluser frontends for useradd/groupadd/... and they have a file /etc/deluser.conf where you can specify to remove all user files on user removal, too
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• 2003[20:13:29] * TinkerTiger nods to nyov.
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• 2011[20:17:32] <TinkerTiger> As I understand it, there is no appending to the path varieble. You need to include all the other paths.
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• 2023[20:23:59] <malibu> Hi there. Does anyone here know how I stop systemd from killing processes started with nohup and &?
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• 2032[20:26:56] <nyov> m_g_lewis: you missed this sentence: "Remember, this file is read by PAM, not by a shell. You cannot use shell expansions here. E.g. MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ will not work! "
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• 2035[20:28:50] <nyov> malibu: no idea. but why? double-forking is not good practice
• 2036[20:29:00] <m_g_lewis> TinkerTiger, nyov: So where do I find the rest of the PATH to include it in /etc/environment?
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• 2040[20:30:22] <nyov> m_g_lewis: my file is empty. you possibly can't
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• 2042[20:30:44] <malibu> I need to be able to start and stop a process on demand from my commandline. Usually I just nohup <cmd> & disown
• 2043[20:30:53] <malibu> nyov: ^^^
• 2044[20:31:59] <nyov> m_g_lewis: PATH is not a global env variable, it can differ from user to user. and the page also says "Put all your environment variables in ~/.profile "
• 2045[20:32:44] <m_g_lewis> nyov: My file is empty too...OK, I understand...Thanks!
• 2046[20:32:51] <nyov> m_g_lewis: for PATH, you want to use /etc/profile
• 2047[20:33:42] <m_g_lewis> nyov: OK, I'll look at that...
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• 2080[20:50:11] <nyov> malibu: perhaps you can make use of supervisord or daemontools or the like for your need. or someone else may have an idea about the systemd stuff
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• 2154[21:39:31] <papemco_> Hello, I figured how to get my Wi-Fi to work. It now picks my Wi-Fi but no internet connection. How can I fix that please?
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• 2171[21:54:28] <rant> papemco_: open a terminal and try ping -c1 google.com, if that doesn't work try ping -c1 2607:f8b0:400c:c0e::8b if that doesn't work try ping -c1 198.145.29.83
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• 2174[21:56:01] <rant> papemco_: if none of those get a ping reply, then paste the output of 'ip a' on paste.debian.net
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• 2188[22:05:15] <Neoon> can someone explain why the fuck /etc/network/interfaces
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• 2191[22:05:20] <Neoon> is gone on new stretch installs?
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• 2196[22:07:53] <maxrazer> Does anyone know why clementine won't start the first time I try to start it and it says "__logging_message__16:04:35.372 WARN unknown libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile"
• 2197[22:08:35] <rant> /etc/network/interfaces: ASCII text
• 2198[22:08:46] <rant> and I'm on stretch, and didn't create that file
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• 2201[22:10:26] <maxrazer> I've never got any replies for anything in the #clementine channel.
• 2202[22:10:29] <papemco_> rant, thanks, it is working now
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• 2204[22:12:17] <Neoon> well
• 2205[22:12:22] <Neoon> apparently it uses /etc/systemd/network/50-default.network
• 2206[22:12:26] <Neoon> for some fuck reason
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• 2209[22:13:45] <Neoon> WHY
• 2210[22:13:49] <Neoon> who invented that shit
• 2211[22:13:51] <Neoon> bullcrap
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• 2215[22:15:23] <rant> yes, debian uses systemd, yes it changed a lot of things, however you can still use /etc/network/interfaces
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• 2217[22:15:53] <Neoon> how?
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• 2219[22:15:58] <Neoon> just put it in place?
• 2220[22:16:05] <rant> thats the idea
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• 2224[22:18:12] <rant> when putting an interface in there it causes network-manager (if installed and running) to ignore the interface, the applet will show the interface but say "not managed" or such
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• 2266[22:51:22] <Neoon> rant, thanks man
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• 2286[23:08:16] <nyov> maxrazer: that libpng warning can be ignored. it's noise.
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• 2289[23:08:34] <nyov> happens on a lot of programs with bad png icc profiles
• 2290[23:09:10] <nyov> no idea what clementine is
• 2291[23:09:17] <maxrazer> nyov, The program won't open unless I try to start it twice though. Which is annoying.
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• 2295[23:09:58] <nyov> but the issue lies elsewhere, that png warning won't be the reason
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• 2301[23:10:48] <hypn0> maybe it doesn't close properly :-/
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• 2308[23:13:39] <Dyl0n> Hi
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• 2310[23:15:02] <rant> Dyl0n: not yet, but we're workin on it
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• 2326[23:23:51] <nyov> (are we? what, specifically?)
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• 2329[23:25:56] <maxrazer> Clementine music/audio player.
• 2330[23:27:12] <maxrazer> nyov, Is there any way to fix that?
• 2331[23:27:17] <marianna> Hi! I'm asking in chromium-support but it's like talking to a wall
• 2332[23:27:20] <marianna> :-S
• 2333[23:27:28] <maxrazer> What is wrong with chromium?
• 2334[23:27:29] <nyov> walls have ears, too
• 2335[23:27:37] <maxrazer> I use chromium
• 2336[23:27:55] <nyov> maxrazer: Idk :/ I'm not using that software and have no idea about it
• 2337[23:28:33] <marianna> I need to do this but in chromium
• 2338[23:28:33] <marianna> <marianna> $ cd ~/.pki/nssdb
• 2339[23:28:33] <marianna> <marianna> $ ln -s ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/cert8.db
• 2340[23:28:33] <marianna> <marianna> $ ln -s ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/key3.db
• 2341[23:28:33] <marianna> <marianna> I can't find any file .db in ~/.config/chromium
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• 2344[23:28:59] <maxrazer> I've never done anything like that.
• 2345[23:29:03] <annadane> marianna, paste.debian.net for long pastes
• 2346[23:29:21] <marianna> sorry, I it was only 5 lines...
• 2347[23:29:24] <marianna> ok annadane
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• 2349[23:29:44] <nyov> debhelper is greedy to have something to do :)
• 2350[23:30:05] <marianna> the thing is that I need to use a certificate to log in in a spanish gov page
• 2351[23:30:18] <maxrazer> There is some other paste site people like I don't remember which I was told is bad.
• 2352[23:30:19] <marianna> I have installed the program
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• 2354[23:30:47] <marianna> and xdg-open loads it correctly but the program doesn't find the certificate
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• 2356[23:30:58] <marianna> I've found a solution but for firefox
• 2357[23:31:10] <marianna> (the lines I pasted)
• 2358[23:31:22] <marianna> I want to do the same for chromium...
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• 2361[23:32:15] <maxrazer> What is this for? Some kind of security thing? I do basic home use.
• 2362[23:32:30] <nyov> chromium uses a different system I believe, not Mozilla NSS. But I don't know that exactly, only that things are incompatible
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• 2365[23:33:44] <marianna> mmm
• 2366[23:33:45] <marianna> ok
• 2367[23:34:33] <at0m> then there's #chromium with 400+ users
• 2368[23:34:58] <nyov> marianna: replaced-url
• 2369[23:35:08] <nyov> not sure if that's any help though
• 2370[23:36:24] <marianna> nyov, I have this done
• 2371[23:36:41] <marianna> and it works in some pages
• 2372[23:37:08] <marianna> but for others I you need a program from the spanish gov
• 2373[23:37:26] <karlpinc> marianna: Possibly you need to reload the pages where it does not work without using your local cache. (ctrl-shift-click on the reload icon?? I forget.)
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• 2375[23:37:58] <nyov> replaced-url
• 2376[23:38:01] <marianna> ok karlpinc, I'm going to try this
• 2377[23:38:22] <nyov> huh, looks like they do use nss-tools. guess I was wrong there
• 2378[23:38:31] <karlpinc> marianna: That's just my guess.
• 2379[23:38:48] <marianna> mmm
• 2380[23:38:59] <marianna> I have the certificate working properly in chromium
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• 2382[23:39:12] <marianna> the spanish program uses nss-tools
• 2383[23:39:30] <marianna> and that's where I have the problem
• 2384[23:39:52] <marianna> because the program doesn't find the certificate
• 2385[23:39:52] <nyov> then I don't understand the question
• 2386[23:40:10] <marianna> the firefox workarround is to link the *.db files
• 2387[23:41:00] <nyov> but that is not enough?
• 2388[23:41:26] <marianna> I can't find the *.db files of chromium
• 2389[23:41:41] <marianna> now I think they don't exist since it uses some other method
• 2390[23:41:56] <marianna> mmm
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• 2394[23:45:21] <marianna> ok, I have found a post that says that you need to have the certificate installed in FF
• 2395[23:45:37] <marianna> :-)
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• 2398[23:46:37] <nyov> marianna: from the post earlier, it seems that chromium might be using $HOME/.pki/nssdb
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• 2400[23:47:23] <nyov> and you can use "certutil -d sql:$HOME/.pki/nssdb -L" to list them and verify that
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• 2402[23:47:37] <marianna> ok, thanks!
• 2403[23:47:51] <nyov> but that post is rather old, so I can't say if that is correct
• 2404[23:49:10] <marianna> the certificates there are different than the certificates in chromium
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• 2406[23:49:42] <nyov> then it's probably old cruft :(
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• 2409[23:50:52] <nyov> have you looked in ~/.config/chromium/ ? I can't see where else it might store client certs
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• 2412[23:51:46] <dave4925> anyone getting error on aptitude with upgrading tzdata today?
• 2413[23:52:20] <marianna> yeah, I have looked there...
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• 2421[23:53:32] <nyov> you'll just have to stick with firefox then I suppose :)
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• 2429[23:56:33] <dave4925> I'm getting a 404 error but I can wget the file
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