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45 [00:44:42] <buu> How do I get neat real time pictures of my
amd frequency/overlock/etc
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55 [00:50:44] <apathor> i;/l,\
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57 [00:50:59] <apathor> ;/?;;;;; v l;;bfg'cfv]'/fcv/fg
FGGHHhhh]vfg,
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59 [00:52:51] <Voldenet> insightful
60 [00:53:03] <Voldenet> I rarely see people knowing perl that
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90 [01:13:49] <tarcript> hello
91 [01:13:51] <tarcript> one question
92 [01:13:54] <tarcript> when I login
93 [01:13:58] <tarcript> to my debian 9
94 [01:14:09] <tarcript> one terminal opens atuomaticaly
95 [01:14:17] <tarcript> how I can quit the auto run?
96 [01:14:25] <tarcript> what file I need to edit?
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99 [01:15:06] <wolfden> what DE are you loging into?
100 [01:15:06] <JordiGH> tarcript: This is odd, but look under
startup applications in the settings of your desktop environment.
101 [01:15:38] <tarcript> wolfden: xfce
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103 [01:15:44] <N3X15> Have an oldish Supermicro server I'm
using as a NAS and need to check array status without rebooting
(Don't have a VGA cable available at the moment). What would be
the appropriate tool for headless?
104 [01:15:49] <tarcript> JordiGH: I can't see any terminal
run
105 [01:16:02] <tarcript> this is because I installed one script
and I unistall it
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107 [01:16:08] <wolfden> odd
108 [01:16:10] <tarcript> and when I unistall
109 [01:16:15] <StormByte> hi there!
110 [01:16:22] <tarcript> hi StormByte !
111 [01:16:24] <tarcript> :)
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113 [01:17:17] <tarcript> JordiGH: when I unistall the script
alwais when I shutup my laptop with debian
114 [01:17:27] <tarcript> it is open automaticaly the terminal
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116 [01:17:53] <tarcript> hello gueb :)
117 [01:18:08] <gueb> hello tarcript
118 [01:18:30] <wolfden> didnt enable some systemd startup that
needs to be disabled?
119 [01:19:05] <wolfden> night have to take a look at that script
u installed
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121 [01:19:09] <tarcript> where can I see if I have enabled a
systemd?
122 [01:19:12] <wolfden> might *
123 [01:19:13] <JordiGH> tarcript: This sounds like a nasty
script.
124 [01:19:21] <tarcript> JordiGH:
125 [01:19:28] <tarcript> prompt editor script
126 [01:19:43] <tarcript> for prompt themes
127 [01:19:57] <JordiGH> And for doing things you don't
want, like opening a terminal.
128 [01:19:59] <tarcript> sorry, my english is very baad
129 [01:20:10] <tarcript> but i undestand well, thanks to god
130 [01:20:20] <StormByte> haha tarcript, don't worry mate
131 [01:20:37] <tarcript> StormByte: ok hehe
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133 [01:20:51] <wolfden> systemctl -a should show stuff in memory
134 [01:21:04] <tarcript> wolfden: ok I see
135 [01:21:14] <JordiGH> tarcript: Si hay algo que no sabes
decir, puedes decirle en castellano.
136 [01:21:20] <JordiGH> *decirlo
137 [01:22:03] <tarcript> ok, explico
138 [01:22:06] <tarcript> Gracias
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143 [01:23:36] <tarcript> He instalado un script que te cambiaba
el diseño del prompt de la terminal, pero no me ha gustado el
diseño que me ponía. Entonces lo he desinstalado. Al
desinstarlo ha debido quedar algún residuo de tal modo que
cada vez que inicio sesión se me abre la terminal sola
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146 [01:25:07] <tarcript> ¿alguien sabe que fichero debo
editar para quitar eso?
147 [01:25:13] <tarcript> JordiGH: me puedes ayudar?
148 [01:25:37] <aloo_shu> si tu entorno de escritorio ofrece
ajustes de arranque de sesión, mira si alli no encuentres la
terminal
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150 [01:26:24] <tarcript> aloo_shu: ya he visto y no hay
151 [01:26:49] <JordiGH> tarcript: Ni idea, pero voy a traducir
al inglés en caso de que no haya quedado claro para alguien
más.
152 [01:27:27] <tarcript> gracias JordiGH
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154 [01:27:46] <JordiGH> tarcript was just explaining that she or
he ran some script to customise the prompt. She or he didn't
like it, so she or he uninstalled the script. However, each time she
or he starts a new DM session, a terminal opens up on its own.
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166 [01:38:22] <aloo_shu> otra cosa que puedes hacer, es
encontrar el proceso padre del terminal, con ps o top
167 [01:38:35] <StormByte> y hacerle un kill -9
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169 [01:38:36] <StormByte> xD
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176 [01:41:11] <aloo_shu> El problema es que le vuelve a arancar
con la sesion
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178 [01:41:37] <aloo_shu> y en 'aranque y
sesión' no lo encuentra
179 [01:41:41] <aloo_shu> dice
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181 [01:42:49] <aloo_shu> aunque 'aranque y
sesión' tiene varias secciones, y hay que mirar con lupa
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185 [01:43:20] <aloo_shu> y tambien saber como se llama el
terminal
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187 [01:44:25] <annadane> !es
188 [01:44:25] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en
Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en
Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join
#debian-es en la línea de chat.
189 [01:44:54] <annadane> ah ok i see this has been going on for
a while. *shrug*
190 [01:45:21] <JordiGH> Sorry, it's my fault. I suggested
Spanish.
191 [01:45:37] <annadane> fair enough, not my conversation,
continue i guess
192 [01:45:59] <JordiGH> What's the name of the command to
interact with sysfs?
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194 [01:46:33] <JordiGH> So you do something like `$command
vm.swappiness=60` instead of `echo 60 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness`
195 [01:46:51] <gueb> sysctl?
196 [01:46:54] <JordiGH> Ah, yes, thanks.
197 [01:48:22] <JordiGH> For some reason I expected it to be in
my PATH, not merely in root's PATH.
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200 [01:49:22] <gueb> /usr/sbin?
201 [01:50:25] <naicha> sysctl is in /sbin for me
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204 [01:52:04] <annadane> lo siento tarcript
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207 [01:52:57] <tarcript> annadane: :(
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213 [01:54:53] <JordiGH> tarcript: Does `cat .xsessionrc` show
anything suspicious?
214 [01:55:08] <JordiGH> Or .xsession, .Xsession?
215 [01:55:12] <annadane> wasn't my intention to derail the
existing conversation, i should've scrolled up
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218 [01:56:04] <tarcript> I dont have .Xsesion file
219 [01:56:09] <tarcript> :\
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221 [01:56:39] <JordiGH> I'm reading these instructions for
reducing writes to an ssd, and I wonder if all of this optimising
really is optimal:
replaced-url
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223 [01:57:08] <tarcript> I have .Xautority
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225 [01:57:51] <tarcript> .profile
226 [01:57:54] <tarcript> .bashrc
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240 [02:12:11] <ArsenArsen> what could cause ufw failing to do
anything
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242 [02:12:51] <ArsenArsen> ERROR: problem running iptables:
iptables v1.6.0: can't initialize iptables table `filter':
Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
243 [02:13:25] <ArsenArsen> upon trying to insmod iptable_filter
I get a no such file or directory and upon trying to modprobe the
same I get invalid argument as the error reported
244 [02:14:21] <adolf_> Hello, I use the sid repository, and some
month ago I upgrade so the chromium didn't work anymore.
Someone has have the same problem?
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246 [02:14:45] <adolf_> has someone the same problem?
247 [02:15:47] <annadane> !debian-next
248 [02:15:47] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
249 [02:16:07] <annadane> are you sure you want to use sid? sid
can break and it's your responsibility in general, and also to
check the bug tracking system
250 [02:16:24] <annadane> also "doesn't work" is
vague. but ask in the channel dpkg provided
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257 [02:21:02] <adolf_> thanks annadane and dpkg
258 [02:21:35] * annadane waits for it...
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261 [02:23:46] <Barones> Hi, I recently upgrade gnome to 3.30 in
a debian stretch -> buster system, but gdm3 is taking 10x longer
to load gnome, where I could get more info about gdm3 startup?
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287 [02:47:36] <maxrazer> Does anyone know why my audio only
works when I mute the audio port in Alsamixer? It did it after I
changed the default sound card in /etc/asound.conf
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389 [04:34:47] <nyov> maxrazer: perhaps the mute toggle is
somehow inverted?
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403 [04:55:10] <RNM> Hello
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406 [04:59:15] <maxrazer> nyov, It seems to be, but I don't
know why.
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408 [05:01:38] <maxrazer> nyov, I ran the ALSA troubleshooting
script:
replaced-url
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411 [05:02:36] <nyov> that doesn't troubleshoot much of
anything
412 [05:02:55] <nyov> acpi device info? what does that help
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415 [05:04:18] <nyov> hmm. perhaps your config would be more
helpful
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417 [05:06:13] <maxrazer> All I did was edit the alsa config file
like the alsa website said and change the sound card number. There
was no file before that.
418 [05:07:32] <nyov> then perhaps the issue was always there and
you only didn't notice, because you targeted the other
soundcard
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421 [05:10:51] <maxrazer> nyov, It never did it in the past, but
in the past I would set the default card using pulse audio server.
I've never used this sound card with just ALSA (I think).
422 [05:11:09] <maxrazer> In order to use my non-integrated sound
card with just ALSA I have to set the configuration file.
423 [05:11:27] <maxrazer> Because the integrated sound card will
be number 0, which is going to be used by default.
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437 [05:39:04] <Jmabsd> Does Debian offer an UEFI image of the
installer, for use from a USB memory stick on an EFI compliant
machine?
438 [05:39:23] <Jmabsd> Or Debian caters to the ~1990-~2005 range
of computers lol
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447 [05:50:05] <maxrazer> Jmabsd, Debian uses UEFI yes. You may
need to adjust which target you are using to boot from in your UEFI.
make sure to select the right instance of the USB boot target. It
should be the main device. You may see multiple. I also remember
seeing some kind of menu to select boot UEFI from the image.
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451 [05:55:47] <agio> I thought UEFI hardware initialisation
ssystem could read MBR boot loader and partition table?
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453 [05:56:28] <maxrazer> agio, Are you talking about a MBR
created by windows and you want to install Debian to that drive?
454 [05:56:41] <agio> so that a special UEFI installer image was
not necessary? or am i wrong?
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456 [05:56:58] <maxrazer> Actually I have windows on one drive
and Debian on the other and when I boot up a GRUB menu comes up and
I can select Debian or to load the Windows boot loader.
457 [05:57:06] <agio> MBR is OS agnostic
458 [05:57:16] <maxrazer> Yeah, but what you are trying to do.
459 [05:57:23] <maxrazer> If it just happens to be Windows.
460 [05:57:49] <maxrazer> Because I can't account for
everything I don't know, but I can tell you what I do.
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463 [05:59:33] <agio> my question is this: "is special UEFI
installer image necessary if you have UEFI hardware?
464 [05:59:42] <Jmabsd> agio: it may be.
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466 [06:00:05] <Jmabsd> agio: your UEFI motherboard/computer may
offer legacy boot if you're ""lucky""
however normally in the UEFI age just install off an UEFI mediuj.
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468 [06:00:07] <Jmabsd> medium
469 [06:00:08] <Jmabsd> maxrazer: i meant the Debian installers,
not the ready-installed system.
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471 [06:01:26] <Jmabsd> maxrazer: all the installers on
debian.org are named ".ISO", i normally would read this as
meaning "ISO filesystem offering a BIOS-based installer".
472 [06:01:47] <Jmabsd> maxrazer: are Debian's installers
some kind of hybrid EFI, so you can actually do "dd
if=thedebianinstallerimage of=/dev/usbmemorystick" and boot off
a pure EFI system?
473 [06:02:29] <maxrazer> I believe the hybrid iso is so you can
burn to cd or usb.
474 [06:02:43] <maxrazer> You can use dd.
475 [06:03:04] <agio> i just checked now. and debian netinstaller
has a efi 2nd stage bootloaderfor 64bit arch's
476 [06:03:08] <maxrazer> I don't have a pure EFI system
though.
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478 [06:03:34] <Jmabsd> maxrazer: why aren't pure-EFI media
offered?
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480 [06:03:44] <maxrazer> Is this a Mac? I believe they have EFI,
right?
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482 [06:04:05] <Jmabsd> maxrazer: yep EFI.
483 [06:04:33] <maxrazer> I had a macbook which had EFI and I
couldn't install linux on it.
484 [06:05:18] <maxrazer> It was an old macbook, it would have
required a lot of effort. I also got rid of my newer mac which was
an iMac left Apple products. I bought a new PC custom made.
485 [06:05:28] <agio> the ISO relates to the filesystem image -
and its compatibilty with storage media (eg ISO is for cdrom,
hybdid, cdrom+USB) not hardware init system
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489 [06:06:21] <maxrazer> Well, the hybrid part has nothing to do
with the EFI. But he may also mean an image of some sort that can
boot off of EFI.
490 [06:06:39] <maxrazer> I remember there being guides out
there, but I wasn't able to do it and didn't want to put
in the effort.
491 [06:06:42] <agio> agreed
492 [06:07:07] <agio> there is the debian installer guide - thats
really good
493 [06:07:39] <maxrazer> I mean there are guides out there to
install Linux on an old macbook with only EFI. I gave up on it
though.
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500 [06:12:33] <agio> yeah, as a linux user, I try to identify
hardware which is linux, open-source friendly before buying
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503 [06:13:11] <agio> debian installer has a whole section on it
504 [06:13:41] <MaddieNX> good evening everyone :D
505 [06:14:06] <Jmabsd> maxrazer: well, the hybrid ISO thing
would need to have an EFI based boot path in one of the hybrid
options, that any EFI-only system would be able to process.
506 [06:15:28] <agio> it seems like it does
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508 [06:18:27] <agio> its in /efi/boot/bootx64.efi
509 [06:19:22] <agio> how the 1st stage jumps to it - I dont
know?
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511 [06:20:08] <Jmabsd> agio: the EFI firmware will load that EFI
file.
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513 [06:20:27] <Jmabsd> agio: and i guess there's a separate
ISO filesystem heading somewhere with a typical BIOS/MBR bootstrap
boot path too
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515 [06:21:20] <agio> once 1st stage loaded - EFI is gone
516 [06:21:25] <agio> i think
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518 [06:22:41] <agio> apparently the thing you want is "UEFI
- Compatibility Support Module”
519 [06:22:42] <MaddieNX> anyone knoe of a good editor to program
C# in on debian
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522 [06:23:25] <maxrazer> MaddieNX, I hear people say visual
studio code
523 [06:23:58] <maxrazer>
replaced-url
524 [06:24:24] <MaddieNX> ok thank you maxrazer
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526 [06:24:47] <agio> ah apparently when booting debian-installer
on a UEFI system, the installer checks whether it was started on a
BIOS- or on a native UEFI system and installs the corresponding
bootloader.
527 [06:25:43] <agio> but doest say anything about how the
_installer_ kernel is started
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540 [06:29:10] <maxrazer> Ok, so I get audio in most
applications, but not in my game. I'm using the FodQuake source
port. It seems to be a problem after I've changed my default
sound card that ALSA uses.
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720 [09:01:00] <Jmabsd> The Debian installer by default creates a
swap partition with the cryptic name "swap_1 swap swap"?
721 [09:01:47] <selckin> its 2018, why do you have swap
722 [09:02:19] <kts> xfce screen brightness reset to 100 every
reboot.
723 [09:03:11] <Jmabsd> selckin: exactly.. is there any way to
make the installer *not* create a swap partition?
724 [09:03:16] <Jmabsd> also why on earth is it taking 15% of a
disk for it
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726 [09:03:40] <BCMM> selckin: are you serious?
727 [09:03:49] <BCMM> selckin: care to explain why swap is
obsolete now?
728 [09:04:01] <Jmabsd> BCMM: people haev RAM.
729 [09:04:11] <Jmabsd> BCMM: also you can use a file as swap
medium, so preallocating it in the partitioning table is idiotic
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731 [09:04:48] <BCMM> yeah, having a swap *partition* might be
obsolete
732 [09:05:02] <BCMM> Jmabsd: but "people have RAM" is
a misunderstanding of how swap is used
733 [09:05:24] <n4dir> Jmabsd: i never had problems not adding
swap. Probably "manual partitioning" does the trick
734 [09:05:27] <selckin> i'd rather have it kill something
then use swap
735 [09:05:38] <BCMM> sometimes it makes more sense to keep some
important disk cache in ram than it does to keep part of a running
process in RAM
736 [09:05:43] <BCMM> and linux is good at making that decision
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738 [09:05:56] <BCMM> it's not just for when you run out of
real memory
739 [09:06:25] <Jmabsd> BCMM: SSD:s are the worst imaginable
medium for swapping to
740 [09:06:34] <Jmabsd> 1000 writes, and you're ready to
spend 1000 USD on a new SSD!
741 [09:06:38] <Jmabsd> and there's no warranty coverage for
that.
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746 [09:07:55] <BCMM> that makes sense for raw flash devices. an
"SSD" has wear-leveling, practically by definition
747 [09:07:59] <apollo13> who pays 1000 $ for an SSD?
748 [09:08:32] <selckin> who doesn't have double the ram
then they need in every pc/server anyway
749 [09:08:36] <BCMM> and turning off swapping on Windows is much
harder than it is on linux, so i find it extremely unlikely that
using swap is a reason to deny warranty claims
750 [09:08:51] <BCMM> selckin: i addressed that above - it's
not just about running out of ram
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753 [09:09:18] <Jmabsd> BCMM: each storage unit still only has
1000 writes, so unless you have lots of empty space via TRIM, still
the same.
754 [09:09:19] <BCMM> (if your ram is bigger than your
filesystem, i retract the above)
755 [09:09:23] <Jmabsd> apollo13: some people.
756 [09:10:57] <GNU\colossus>
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758 [09:11:15] <selckin> BCMM: i'm sure those 100mb it can
swap will be a real difference
759 [09:11:19] <BCMM> having no swap just means that the kernel
is now arbitrarily restricted in what it can page out to disk.
it's reasonable to treat files and process memory equally.
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761 [09:13:46] <n4dir> BCMM: besides the really low-specs
machines i never saw swap being used (not arguing, just saying)
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763 [09:14:17] <n4dir> well i hardly do anything with the PC. bit
of text-web-browsing, bit of music, bit of chat ... probably that is
the reason
764 [09:15:10] <BCMM> n4dir: it probably is true that the gains
are often negligible
765 [09:15:46] <BCMM> stuff that will get swapped out on a system
with adequate memory is probably stuff like daemon startup code that
never gets called again
766 [09:15:50] <BCMM> which is fairly small
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768 [09:16:23] <selckin> much respect for admitting you are wrong
769 [09:16:52] <n4dir> funny sitenote: old how-to of Eric
Raymond. Like "with such huge amount of memory we hardly need
swap anymore" (he had 64 MB in mind).
770 [09:17:41] <selckin> disk/memory difference in hardware is
fastly disapearing too
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777 [09:21:12] <Jmabsd> BCMM: swap is indeed useful as a tool for
hindering total system meltdown in case of a short RAM use peak
778 [09:21:30] <Jmabsd> i've had such peaks extremely rarely
and only on lower-RAM machines
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780 [09:21:54] <Jmabsd> LVM requires an ext2 boot partition with
kernel files on it?
781 [09:22:09] <Jmabsd> er, LVM encryption.
782 [09:22:31] <selckin> usually ram cuses system melddown,
making every slow down to a grinding halt
783 [09:22:38] <selckin> killing something is much more
beneficial
784 [09:22:42] <selckin> s/ram/swap/
785 [09:23:11] <Jmabsd> any way to get encryption without a swap
partition in the Debian installer?
786 [09:23:20] <BCMM> if you have a memory eater, the system will
*still* grind to a halt for a while before the oom killer fixes it
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789 [09:23:31] <BCMM> even without swap
790 [09:23:50] <n4dir> Jmabsd: same answer as above, you got to
choose "manual partitioning". Sure works for cryptsetup
without lvm, not sure about lvm
791 [09:23:52] <BCMM> something like ulimit is a better solution
than the oom killer
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794 [09:24:59] <Jmabsd> n4dir: aha.
795 [09:25:15] <Jmabsd> n4dir: how does the encrypted system
boot?
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798 [09:26:19] <n4dir> Jmabsd: old notes of me, but don't
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799 [09:26:25] <Jmabsd> n4dir,BCMM: so i need, an EFI partition
(FAT32), a boot partition?? ext2??, and then the crypto partition
800 [09:26:56] <n4dir> back then no one spoke of EFI, for example
...
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802 [09:27:19] <BCMM> Jmabsd: if you're doing EFI booting,
you need an ESP, yes.
803 [09:27:36] <Jmabsd> BCMM: what size recommended, 1.0MB?
804 [09:27:46] <BCMM> that seems small, to me
805 [09:27:51] <Jmabsd> 2MB?
806 [09:28:06] <Jmabsd> let's try 10.
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808 [09:28:39] <BCMM> Jmabsd: oh actually 1MB should be ok. mine
is much larger, but it turns out that debian is using very little of
it
809 [09:28:56] <BCMM> (dual-boot system; windows takes up a lot
more of the esp)
810 [09:29:07] <Jmabsd> BCMM: aha.
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813 [09:29:38] <BCMM> what i don't understand is why the
Windows installer creates a 100MB partition, when it only needs
~18MB of it
814 [09:30:40] <BCMM> i don't know if you can create an
fat32 filesystem in just 1mb though
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818 [09:31:54] <BCMM> you can potentially use fat16 or even
fat12, but i strongly suspect that that will depend on the uefi
implementation
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830 [09:37:42] <BCMM> Jmabsd: looks like fat32 has a minimum size
of 2^16 (ish) sectors, and a minimum sector size of 512, for a
minimum size of 32MB
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832 [09:38:09] <Jmabsd> BCMM: i have decidedly seen 1MB FAT32
partitions
833 [09:38:12] <Jmabsd> i think there's some trick.
834 [09:38:23] <BCMM> Jmabsd: the trick is surely that it's
not actually FAT32
835 [09:38:26] <Jmabsd> to make small partitions.
836 [09:38:36] <Jmabsd> well, booting off them did work.
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838 [09:39:30] <selckin> how small is this disk ?
839 [09:40:21] <BCMM> what selckin said... no harm having it *a
few megabytes* larger than needed, if only for future use
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842 [09:41:05] <BCMM> resizing the first partition on the disk is
enough of a pain that you might as well waste some minuscule amount
of space just in case the next version of grub is much larger
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848 [09:47:06] <inch> resizing the esp partition can be made
easier with lvm. If part1 is esp, then make part2 5GiB size, part3
the rest of the disk. Then use 2 and 3 as pvs. If you ever need to
enlarge esp, it's easy to move extents out of 2, remove 1 and 2
and create them again with the required sizes.
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850 [09:47:35] <selckin> or just make it 128mb and go to sleep
851 [09:47:42] <inch> exactly
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853 [09:48:17] <inch> Recently I have made bios_grub and esp
partitions to all disks just in case.
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855 [09:48:38] <inch> All new disks of course :-)
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867 [09:54:33] <inch> But why can't I install grub-efi and
grub-pc at the same time? I'd like to install grub-pc to the
bios_grub-partition and grub-efi to the esp partition so that the
disk would boot if I need to change it from bios machine to efi
machine.
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869 [09:58:41] <Jmabsd> n4dir,BCMM: so the "/boot"
partition is an unencrypted ext2 partition containing the kernel.
870 [10:02:05] <Jmabsd> also which encryption mode is preferable,
"encryption" or "LVM"?
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874 [10:07:24] <inch> I don't know what the
"encryption" option does, but if it doesn't encrypt
swap, then use LVM.
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878 [10:10:25] <inch> It would be possible to encrypt the /boot
too, but see bug #849400
879 [10:10:26] <judd> Bug
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890 [10:23:55] <ep4sh> when new version of dovecot will in repos?
Available version (2.2.27) has some bugz
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893 [10:27:51] <SynQ> has the behaviour of 'apt
upgrade' changed recently? After I upgrade my terminal screen
is cleared.
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904 [10:39:43] <jelly> SynQ: which debian release?
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906 [10:41:14] <jelly> ,v dovecot-imapd
907 [10:41:15] <judd> Package: dovecot-imapd on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u2; jessie:
1:2.2.13-12~deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:2.2.13-12~deb8u4;
jessie-backports: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1; stretch:
1:2.2.27-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u2;
jessie-backports-sloppy: 1:2.2.33.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports:
1:2.2.34-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.3.2.1-1; sid:
908 [10:41:16] <judd> 1:2.3.3-1
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910 [10:41:20] <SynQ> I see it both on jessie and on stretch
911 [10:41:44] <jelly> SynQ: there's no "apt"
command in jessie
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915 [10:43:21] <SynQ> jelly: hmm, let me check
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917 [10:43:23] <ep4sh> debian stretch (with 2.2.27)
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923 [10:44:57] <SynQ> $ cat /etc/debian_version ; which apt
924 [10:44:57] <SynQ> 8.11
925 [10:44:57] <SynQ> /usr/bin/apt
926 [10:45:03] <SynQ> yes there is :)
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935 [10:47:36] <ep4sh> but i dont need sowftware from backports
;)
936 [10:48:59] <ep4sh> it is frearfull to install to live server
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938 [10:49:10] <ep4sh> i dont have any practice of it
939 [10:49:21] <ep4sh> may be i wrong?
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945 [10:50:58] <SynQ>
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946 [10:51:07] <SynQ> nothing backports about that
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948 [10:54:52] <SynQ> could it be my terminal settings?
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953 [10:55:52] <jelly> SynQ: oh, okay, I live in the past
954 [10:56:01] <SynQ> jelly: :)
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957 [11:00:22] <SynQ> looks to me that aptitude is currently the
recommended way to upgrade
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958 [11:00:32] <SynQ> though I prefer to use 'apt'
959 [11:00:44] <SynQ> since it is shorter and it does the job
960 [11:01:06] <n4dir> pretty happy that the flamewar apt-get vs
aptitude is over ...
961 [11:01:26] <SynQ> it moved to systemd lately :)
962 [11:02:47] <n4dir> let's guess what will be next ... :-)
963 [11:03:13] <SynQ> which linux fork will be used? >:)
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965 [11:03:55] <avu> pff, apt. Use dselect!
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967 [11:04:27] <SynQ> avu shrug
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1018 [11:36:31] <JohnA> Suggestions for a vpn to use with cell
phones connecting to a Debian server (davical, mail ...)
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1024 [11:40:01] <SynQ> JohnA: let's connect (aka eduvpn)
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1027 [11:41:23] <SynQ>
replaced-url
1028 [11:41:34] <SynQ> it's basically openvpn
1029 [11:41:49] <SynQ> but it gives your users an easy frontend to
manage their certificates
1030 [11:41:57] <SynQ> fully opensource (in the debian way) though
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1032 [11:43:31] <JohnA> SynQ, Thanks I will take a look.
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1034 [11:44:37] <SynQ> JohnA: you're welcome
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1133 [13:01:40] <ocx32> i would like to setup a roundroubin
multiple a-record for 1 hostname is this possible? problem is that
always first ip resolves in dnsmasq and not the roundrobin way
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1191 [13:43:30] <jolt> ocx32: Are you shure it's supported?
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1213 [13:58:37] <project2501a> hey guys
1214 [13:58:48] <project2501a> can i manage groups of programs
with update-alternatives?
1215 [13:59:09] <project2501a> so, if i want to switch GCC, i
should also switch all the other sub-modules that gcc requires
1216 [13:59:38] <jelly> project2501a: yes and no
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1219 [14:00:46] <selckin> don't think so, for example java
has a seperate update-java-alternative to update all the java
binaries
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1221 [14:00:49] <jelly> project2501a: see update-java-alternatives
and update-glx for examples
1222 [14:01:08] <jelly> project2501a: you would have to create a
similar tool.
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1225 [14:02:06] <themill> also gcc isn't managed by
alternatives at all
1226 [14:02:07] <jelly> project2501a: and of course you would have
to make /usr/bin/gcc and friends be managed via alternatives in the
first place. It is not.
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1230 [14:04:55] <project2501a> jelly: spasiba tawarich :D
1231 [14:04:58] * project2501a runs
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1233 [14:05:54] <project2501a> jelly: i'm trying to see if i
need the env-modules package, or i can manage compiling cluster
stuff using update-alternatives
1234 [14:06:07] <project2501a> so far update-alternative loses cuz
it's not viable for multi-user environments
1235 [14:06:12] <project2501a> like in a cluster
1236 [14:06:35] <project2501a> also, the gcc packages do not come
with update-alternative options by default, which sucks.
1237 [14:06:51] <project2501a> but then, they do not come with
environmental modules
1238 [14:06:55] <project2501a> either
1239 [14:06:58] <selckin> time for being a hipster with docker
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1241 [14:07:15] <project2501a> meh, i'm more basic.
environmental modules
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1243 [14:11:14] <themill> modules is much more sensible for that
usage
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1245 [14:13:36] <themill> (cluster users would generally expect to
be able to `module load foo` too)
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1253 [14:19:49] <xinming> How can I know wether the package is
installed from testing or sid?
1254 [14:21:11] <jolt> xinming: apt show package shows which
source it was installed from at least
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1256 [14:21:43] <jolt> xinming: or apt policy
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1263 [14:24:24] <murii> Hello, I removed my previous version of
gcc and g++ and downgraded but "ld" still shows the newer
version even though CMake shows I'm using version 5
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1267 [14:29:20] <Haohmaru> ld might be part of binutils
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1269 [14:30:52] <RoyK> murii: mixing debian versjons or something?
;)
1270 [14:31:02] <RoyK> !sns
1271 [14:31:03] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1272 [14:31:23] <RoyK> s/versjons/versions/
1273 [14:31:33] <xinming> jolt: Thanks, Will check
1274 [14:31:40] <murii> No,no,nothing like that. I'm here to
clean a mess
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1277 [14:32:33] <murii> gcc/g++ was deleted from the newer
version. gcc/g++ was installed to a older version and now the newver
version still shows up in "ld"
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1280 [14:32:58] <RoyK> and ld is part of binutils, not gcc
1281 [14:33:16] <RoyK> as mentioned by Haohmaru above
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1283 [14:33:22] <murii> doesn't matter, it says I use:
libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f2f2c453000)
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1285 [14:33:33] <murii> but ^ is no more
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1288 [14:34:26] <RoyK> murii: perhaps you have a broken system,
tne
1289 [14:34:29] <RoyK> *then*
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1291 [14:37:24] <RoyK> murii: have you or someone installed
packages from sid/testing on stable on this system?
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1301 [14:39:23] <NetTerminalGene> firefox-esr has DRM module?
1302 [14:39:49] <NetTerminalGene> i mean digital restriction
mechanism
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1311 [14:46:21] <murii> RoyK: can I at least rename libc.so.6 into
libc.so.5?
1312 [14:46:36] <murii> hmm,that wouldn't be a good idea,nvm
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1349 [15:08:31] <nyov> murii: the 6 in libc.so.6 is the library
soname. it has nothing to do with the compiler version. don't
fix stuff that is not broken
1350 [15:10:04] <nyov> murii: about libc, see
replaced-url
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1380 [15:27:00] <shtrb> what tool should I be looking at to see
the reject email if no signed by mime/pgp ? (got a reject email from
a server that says rejected because not pgp signed from a
blacklisted ip range)
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1398 [15:44:26] <EdePopede> is it possible to use debian without
that gvfs crap? at least this gfvsd-metadata pisses me off about
every day. it think i'd have to use a wm/de not based on gtk
and no such programs, is this correct?
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1401 [15:45:01] <shtrb> tes
1402 [15:45:02] <EdePopede> less invasive method maybe? not
loading -metadata or is there a config for it?
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1404 [15:45:48] <shtrb> EdePopede, yes you can
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1412 [15:48:52] <cronolio> hi. i'am on debian testing and my
firefox 52.9.0 won't play some youtube videos (streams) with
error not supported videoformat
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1414 [15:49:18] <thejack92_> Hi!
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1417 [15:49:49] <shtrb> cronolio, does it says which one ?
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1419 [15:49:57] <n4dir> cronolio: i think firefox upgraded
recently ? no clue if that might be the problem ...
1420 [15:50:08] <n4dir> upgraded in debian stable, not in general
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1426 [15:53:11] <EdePopede> firefox-esr 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1 is
waiting besides 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1
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1431 [15:53:46] <petn-randall> cronolio: Firefox 52 should not be
in any Debian release anymore. You need to update your system.
1432 [15:53:58] <petn-randall> ,v firefox-esr
1433 [15:53:59] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1;
wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1;
jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1;
buster: 52.9.0esr-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1;
stretch-security: 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 60.2.2esr-1
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1435 [15:55:16] <cronolio> i'm on buster
1436 [15:55:36] <cronolio> no updates for ff there
1437 [15:55:41] <petn-randall> cronolio: Seems as though it's
stuck there due to a library transition. I recommend pulling FF ESR
from sid, as the one in buster is not supported anymore.
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1452 [16:03:13] <SynQ> quite lame that when you are on buster
there is no usable firefox available
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1454 [16:03:27] <SynQ> no way am I going to go down the slippery
slope of sid
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1456 [16:04:25] <SynQ> then again, I choose buster myself :P
1457 [16:04:26] <petn-randall> SynQ: Why would you then use an
unreleased version of Debian if you don't like unfinished
releases?
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1460 [16:04:42] <SynQ> petn-randall: that :)
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1462 [16:05:08] <cronolio> ff from sid works fine
1463 [16:05:19] <petn-randall> cronolio: Glad I could help :)
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1465 [16:05:59] <n4dir> SynQ: if you run testing, then adding Sid
repos and making buster default is very useful. Probably way better
than running pure testing.
1466 [16:06:01] <cronolio> thank you ^)
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1468 [16:06:23] <petn-randall> !tum
1469 [16:06:23] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one
set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable
install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as
usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release:
set Preferences->Distribution.
1470 [16:06:30] <SynQ> that sounds like a plan
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1472 [16:06:42] <petn-randall> cronolio: These are the instruction
to mix buster and sid, but keep buster the default release ^^^.
1473 [16:06:51] <SynQ> thanks
1474 [16:07:52] <cronolio> petn-randall: now i will ask you if any
problem with sid :-D
1475 [16:08:40] <petn-randall> cronolio: No, but you can ask:
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1477 [16:08:43] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1478 [16:08:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1479 [16:08:58] <petn-randall> cronolio: That's where all the
testing/sid users hang out. ^^^
1480 [16:09:00] <petn-randall> :)
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1482 [16:10:00] <EdePopede> my upgrade just said "Unpacking
tzdata (2018f-0+deb9u1) over (2018e-0+deb9u1) ..." and
apt-cache shows both versions. is it the same thing as with
transition with firefox-esr from 52 to 60? and
replaced-url
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1486 [16:12:36] <tazou> Hello, I'm trying to rebuild the pxe
kernel for stable, but I don't find the ".config"
file used to build this kernel contained in this archive
replaced-url
1487 [16:14:50] <SynQ> petn-randall n4dir thanks... running
buster+sid now (and joined the debian-next channel)
1488 [16:14:58] <cronolio> petn-randall: thank again. i think
solution with sid for me for a while solution. until testing get a
new ff version. seeyaa :)
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1523 [16:41:36] <petn-randall> EdePopede: Can you show us the
output of `apt-cache policy tzdata`?
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1534 [16:45:18] <EdePopede> petn-randall >
replaced-url
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1537 [16:46:37] <petn-randall> EdePopede: The lower versioned one
is the one shipped with the "stretch" repos, the newer one
is for "stretch-updates". It's split because the
"stretch" repo is huuuge, and thus it is synced at a lower
interval than the other repos.
1538 [16:47:07] <EdePopede> indeed huge, 14 DVDs in total iirc?
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1542 [16:48:09] <petn-randall> EdePopede: about 3 TB, give or
take:
replaced-url
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1562 [16:57:31] <bernat> Hi. I'm login with SSH to a debian
server using a normal user but I get a terminal being the root user.
How is this done?
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1564 [16:58:54] <Eduard_Munteanu> bernat, so you're saying
you're a normal user on the local machine, but root on the
remote machine?
1565 [16:59:02] <nkuttler> bernat: could be many things... ask
whoever set this up?
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1568 [16:59:53] <bernat> nkuttler: I can't
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1570 [17:00:20] <bernat> Eduard_Munteanu: Yes, and I'm
logging in with a non-root user.
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1576 [17:01:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> bernat, maybe you have the user
set to root in your ~/.ssh/config
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1587 [17:06:32] <nkuttler> bernat: what's the output of
whoami
1588 [17:06:38] <nkuttler> bernat: echo $SHELL
1589 [17:06:41] <nkuttler> id
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1592 [17:07:15] <bernat> whoami: root
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1594 [17:07:32] <bernat> echo $SHELL: /bin/bash
1595 [17:07:43] <bernat> id: uid=0(root) gid=0(root)
groups=0(root)
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1598 [17:08:17] <nkuttler> bernat: look at your ~/.bashrc,
~/.profile etc, see man bash
1599 [17:08:30] <bernat> I did
1600 [17:08:34] <nkuttler> also, is sudo in your groups?
1601 [17:08:40] <bernat> no
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1603 [17:09:01] <nkuttler> ls -l $(which bash)
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1605 [17:09:21] <bernat> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1029624 Nov 5 2016
/bin/bash
1606 [17:09:49] <nyov> uhm, you rather need to look at your sshd
config if you want to figure out the "why". and then,
perhaps PAM
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1608 [17:10:22] <bernat> if I run "su - myuser" I'm
still root
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1610 [17:10:54] <nkuttler> does this happen only for that user, or
also for new users you create?
1611 [17:11:24] <nyov> looks like the user is somehow linked to/an
alias for root. heh
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1614 [17:11:58] <nyov> bernat: check /etc/passwd for the
user's id/group?
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1617 [17:12:28] <Jmabsd> Did anyone make an USB memory stick that
boots your Debian installation of your SSD on a computer that
doesn't support booting off SSD:s?
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1620 [17:14:00] <nyov> why would it not support booting off of
SSDs? well, grab a stick and install grub/lilo on it
1621 [17:14:27] <bernat> aha, the user id in /etc/passwd is 0, the
same as root
1622 [17:14:32] <nyov> hahaha
1623 [17:14:44] <nyov> toor user
1624 [17:14:49] <bernat> I had never seen this before
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1626 [17:15:00] <nkuttler> yeah, you can do that
1627 [17:15:06] <bernat> An uncommon practice I guess
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1629 [17:17:02] <nyov> nothing speaks against renaming users, but
not many do that with root unless for some security by obscurity
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1631 [17:17:35] <nyov> yet linking them, I never saw before
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1633 [17:18:34] <bernat> I was confused, I don't usually work
as root on a server, and being forced to it in such a way was weird.
1634 [17:18:41] <bernat> Thanks!
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1645 [17:23:47] <nyov> that setup should have a big login warning.
effective root all the time %)
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1667 [17:32:44] <NetTerminalGene> does firefox-esr uses system
certificate stuff?
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1669 [17:32:59] <NetTerminalGene> i mean whitelisted by debian
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1674 [17:36:17] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
1675 [17:36:35] <SanchoPensa> I just installed libdvdcrss2, as i
cannot seem to play an audio cd
1676 [17:36:42] <SanchoPensa> says locaiton cannot be mounted.
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1678 [17:37:13] <SanchoPensa> unfortunately did not solve the
problem, there seems to be some sort of copy protection on it, any
suggestions, please?
1679 [17:39:03] <nyov> dvdcss is a content scrambling system for
DVDs. it can't protect audio CD's
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1683 [17:40:08] <PaddyF> i cant play "Katie Melua"
products due to their digital rights management stuff
1684 [17:40:22] <SanchoPensa> mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/cdrom
-cache 5000 cdda://1
1685 [17:40:32] <SanchoPensa> this command works though, how the
heck is that possible?
1686 [17:40:40] <PaddyF> magic
1687 [17:40:42] <n4dir> i don't think you mount audio
CD's to play them.
1688 [17:40:58] <nyov> nope
1689 [17:41:00] <colo-work> n4dir is right, you don't
1690 [17:41:16] <SanchoPensa> n4dir: but i will certainly have to
mount it to see it's contents, right?
1691 [17:41:31] <nyov> there are no data contents to see
1692 [17:41:33] <SanchoPensa> ok, ok, so, why does vlc refuse to
play it?
1693 [17:41:34] <colo-work> (there's pseudo-filesystems that
visualize CDDA tracks, but that's not an in-kernel thing)
1694 [17:41:47] <SanchoPensa> hmm...
1695 [17:41:50] <PaddyF> ah, mplayer
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1697 [17:42:01] <SanchoPensa> hehe, yep! :D
1698 [17:42:18] <n4dir> SanchoPensa: i recall that i had problems
to play (not mount) audio CD's, and was told: might be easier
to just rip them (say with abcde). Too long ago though
1699 [17:42:23] <SanchoPensa> usually, there is not much, dat vlc
cannot do...
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1701 [17:43:12] <SanchoPensa> n4dir: that is again interesting, I
had exactly the same thought! :D
1702 [17:43:29] <SanchoPensa> ok, thanks guys, I'll find out,
how to help myself.-..
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1704 [17:43:52] <n4dir> the ripper ! (powell-peralta ... ).
1705 [17:43:59] <colo-work> you'll probably need to tell vlc
that you expect it to play a CDDA disk by some sort of protocol
prefix, like you did with mplayer above
1706 [17:44:10] <orb> is it on a laptop?
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1708 [17:44:22] <SanchoPensa> orb aye
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1710 [17:44:37] <SanchoPensa> colo-work: and I just figured it
out! :D
1711 [17:45:01] <colo-work> fine :)
1712 [17:45:13] <orb> in the old days, on a pc, the drive could
play CDs as if it were an ordinary CD player.
1713 [17:45:13] <SanchoPensa> you really need to click the audio
cd radio button, it wont play with dvd checked.
1714 [17:45:24] <SanchoPensa> orb agree
1715 [17:45:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> Well, it's not a DVD. :)
1716 [17:45:43] <orb> assuming the audio wire was connected to the
motherboard :D
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1718 [17:45:52] <colo-work> orb, that's because it used a
direct, analouge connection between the CD-ROM drive and the sound
card
1719 [17:46:00] <orb> sure
1720 [17:46:01] <SanchoPensa> hehehe, and they autostarted to play
too!
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1735 [18:00:54] <SanchoPensa> soundcard...anybody remember
soundblaster? :D geez, it takes liḱe 4 Minutes to extract a track
from the CD, and afterwards lame takes like 10 secs to encode it.
1736 [18:00:55] <SanchoPensa> Back in the days lame tokk like
thrice as long as the extracting took... :D now, I cannot remotely
remember, when i last fired ripperx up, but I do certainly realize,
that things have changed concerning hardware! Yay! times r goot! :D
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1751 [18:05:44] <TehRabbitt> Morning \o
1752 [18:05:57] <TehRabbitt> so i'm getting an interesting
error when trying to apt-update.
1753 [18:06:05] <TehRabbitt> "N: Updating from such a
repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by
default."
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1755 [18:06:23] <TehRabbitt> I'm using a local repo in-house
to update from, and I have [trusted=yes] configured
1756 [18:06:31] <TehRabbitt> I can't seem to get it to ignore
that it's unsigned.
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1758 [18:07:08] <TehRabbitt> deb [trusted=yes] http
1759 [18:07:13] <TehRabbitt> etc.
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1762 [18:08:49] <TehRabbitt> in addition:
1763 [18:08:50] <TehRabbitt> E: The repository 'replaced-url
1764 [18:09:04] <TehRabbitt> ah I typoed that one I think
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1766 [18:09:57] <TehRabbitt> yeah, so it works when I update
against the public debian repo, but not my in-house one
1767 [18:10:16] <TehRabbitt> any ideas why it's ignoring
[trusted=yes] and --allow-unsigned?
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1777 [18:14:28] <PaddyF> TehRabbitt: can you copy your
sources.list entry to a pastebin?
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1782 [18:17:53] <TehRabbitt> PaddyF: Sure, it's a single
line.
1783 [18:18:16] <TehRabbitt> deb [trusted=yes]
replaced-url
1784 [18:18:42] <TehRabbitt> that one, it finds the repo, but it
won't pull against it since it's unsigned... even with the
trusted=yes
1785 [18:19:22] <TehRabbitt> PaddyF: This seems to only be an
issue with clients running stretch since jessie is unaffected and
listens to [trusted=yes]
1786 [18:19:44] <PaddyF> TehRabbitt: looks fine, yes
1787 [18:20:08] <TehRabbitt> yeah, it's just bizarre that
it's flat-out ignoring the option
1788 [18:20:29] <PaddyF> have you consulted the bug tracker
already?
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1790 [18:21:34] <TehRabbitt> PaddyF: yeah, lots of
"resolved" issues stating to use [trusted=yes]
1791 [18:21:40] <TehRabbitt> and that it's intended.
1792 [18:22:19] <PaddyF> you mentioned jessie - did you
dist-upgrade from jessie to this stretch version?
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1794 [18:23:26] <rany> TehRabbitt: Does [Allow-Insecure=yes] work?
1795 [18:23:30] <TehRabbitt> PaddyF: I beleive so, a while back.
1796 [18:23:32] <TehRabbitt> rany: let me try
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1798 [18:24:26] <TehRabbitt> rany: nope.
1799 [18:24:27] <TehRabbitt> N: Updating from such a repository
can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
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1810 [18:29:28] <PaddyF> TehRabbitt: what about
APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
1811 [18:29:53] <TehRabbitt> PaddyF: where would I put that?
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1813 [18:30:09] <PaddyF> in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d a file like
00trustcd
1814 [18:30:27] <TehRabbitt> It's a local server repo though,
not a CDRom, does it matter?
1815 [18:30:35] <PaddyF> oops
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1820 [18:32:42] <PaddyF> then i must pass, sorry
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1822 [18:32:47] <TehRabbitt> PaddyF: yeah, I checked that file btw
and it exists too lol
1823 [18:32:51] <TehRabbitt> yeah, i'm stumped on why
it's doing this.,
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1830 [18:34:35] <Gordio> Hi. Please, help skip this stage - ifneq
(,$(filter $(distrelease),sid buster bionic cosmic))
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1832 [18:35:21] <Gordio> What need to provide to command
`dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d` ?
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1834 [18:35:48] <greycat> Gordio: dpkg-dev and fakeroot, at a
minimum
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1843 [18:38:30] <reber> sry not related directly to debianbut...
What is the best tool to create a well designed pdf (like canva can
do) ?
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1845 [18:38:48] <rany> TehRabbitt: you have to keep [trusted=yes]
and run "apt-get --allow-unauthenticated update"
1846 [18:39:09] <TehRabbitt> let me try
1847 [18:39:59] <TehRabbitt> yeah that seemed to have worked.
1848 [18:40:09] <TehRabbitt> so there's no way to disable
that as well?
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1850 [18:40:24] <rany> TehRabbitt: you mean add it automatically?
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1852 [18:40:53] <Gordio> greycat: I don't understand what you
mean.
1853 [18:41:05] <greycat> Those are the packages that provide
those commands.
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1855 [18:41:57] <TehRabbitt> rany: yeah, as in so I can run a
regular "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
without having to specify --allow-unauthenticated update"
1856 [18:42:09] <Gordio> I need to compile Python3-3.6.6 and make
deb package for raspbian. But don't have gcc-8, and in
debian/rules I found that code 'ifneq (,$(filter
$(distrelease),sid buster bionic cosmic))' on "True"
it use gcc-8
1857 [18:42:31] <greycat> If you need help on Raspbian, please
join the raspbian channel instead of the debian channel.
1858 [18:42:49] <Gordio> I have problem with debian file
1859 [18:43:13] <Gordio> `debian/rules` in package. Not sure how
to skip stage when gcc-8 is used
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1861 [18:43:33] <greycat> Porting a Debian package to Raspbian is
ALSO not something we are likely to be able to help you with.
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1864 [18:44:38] <Gordio> greycat: it's not porting
"raspbian specific" package. It's building python3.6
from newest debian (next-stable) for oldest (stable).
1865 [18:45:00] <Gordio> In stable is not exist gcc-8, only gcc-6
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1867 [18:45:17] <TehRabbitt> rany: i'm guessing there's
no config file change I can make to just allow unauthenticated?
1868 [18:45:29] <rany> TehRabbitt: APT { Get {
AllowUnauthenticated "1"; }; };
1869 [18:45:35] <rany> add this to config
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1871 [18:45:51] <TehRabbitt> rany: which config though, the
sources list? or one of the .d files?
1872 [18:46:00] <rany> but it will only work for apt-get not newer
apt
1873 [18:46:07] <TehRabbitt> ah I see.
1874 [18:46:12] <TehRabbitt> so it won't work for apt, just
apt-get
1875 [18:46:15] <greycat> TehRabbitt: that would be an apt.conf
thing
1876 [18:46:42] <TehRabbitt> greycat: I see
1877 [18:46:59] <rany> it's better to create a file in
apt.conf.d so you can manage bettwer
1878 [18:47:02] <rany> better *
1879 [18:47:14] <greycat> *shrug*&
1880 [18:47:20] <TehRabbitt> so just 00localRepo containing the
string above?
1881 [18:48:10] <TehRabbitt> well, that seems to have worked.
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1883 [18:48:23] <greycat> does it really fail with
"apt"?
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1885 [18:48:31] <TehRabbitt> greycat: seems to work with apt and
apt-get
1886 [18:48:36] <greycat> OK, good.
1887 [18:48:46] <TehRabbitt> thanks :)
1888 [18:49:20] <rany> greycat: but in the man page it says that
Get group only controls apt-get
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1891 [18:49:58] <TehRabbitt> saves me quite some time. the repo it
pulls from internally is aptly based, but unsigned since I had many
issues with it having both jessie and stretch on the same box w/ the
latest version of aptly which supports signing, so until I can
figure out how to fix that, I need to be able to update systems etc
:P
1892 [18:50:10] <greycat> I see "The Get subsection controls
the apt-get(8) tool". I do NOT see the word "only"
nor any indication that it excludes specific tools.
1893 [18:50:37] <TehRabbitt> and the aptly repo is just all 3
debian repos (main, security, updates) rolled into one
1894 [18:50:43] <rany> OK, thanks :)
1895 [18:50:58] <TehRabbitt> (it honestly works really well, just
a bit slow taking snapshots)
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1897 [18:53:00] <TehRabbitt> greycat: so I've confirmed it
working on both apt and apt-get on two systems now :)
1898 [18:53:28] <greycat> A lot of the documentation for APT stuff
was written before there was an actual "apt" command, so
it may be confusing.
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1975 [19:47:39] <angelo_ts> hi all, i am in sid, openbox, working
as normal user, trying to have the usb stick auto-mounted as rw. Now
it's read-only. Seems i cannot find the proper help googling
from an hour, any help appreciated
1976 [19:48:24] <greycat> If the device has a vfat file system,
probably what you need is for it to be mounted with the -o uid=...
option so that you are the forged owner, instead of root.
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1979 [19:49:17] <angelo_ts> it's an ext3 stick
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1981 [19:49:34] <angelo_ts> i would like all the sticks
auto.-mounted rw
1982 [19:49:58] <greycat> Then the file system permissions are
defined by the CONTENTS of the file system. Or did you mean that the
entire file system is being mounted read-only? That would be
bizarre.
1983 [19:51:44] <rany> angelo_ts: can you show me the output of
mount?
1984 [19:51:49] <angelo_ts> i see
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1986 [19:52:28] <angelo_ts> this is the mount output
1987 [19:52:29] <angelo_ts>
replaced-url
1988 [19:52:32] <angelo_ts> seems rw
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1990 [19:52:57] <angelo_ts> but if i open dolphin, click the usb
device, i cannot write/delete any file
1991 [19:53:05] <rany> angelo_ts: then you need to change the
chown of the mount dir as root
1992 [19:53:24] <rany> angelo_ts: when you first create an ext
partition the owner is set as root
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1995 [19:53:55] <angelo_ts> so you say the issue is related to
partition of type ext
1996 [19:54:22] <rany> no, I'm saying you need to change the
owner of the mount dir
1997 [19:54:29] <rany> but filesystem does matter
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2001 [19:55:26] <greycat> You need to chown the directory(ies)
that you want to write to, on the mounted file system. Not the mount
point itself.
2002 [19:55:31] <angelo_ts> but the mount dir is automatically
created, should i have to change the owner manyally each time ?
2003 [19:55:50] <greycat> THe file system permissions come from
the CONTENT on the device.
2004 [19:56:08] <rany> greycat: i meant the root dir
2005 [19:56:15] <angelo_ts> ok
2006 [19:56:19] <rany> and run it recursively
2007 [19:56:22] <greycat> The device has a file system that says
"root rwxr-xr-x" and you will get that every time
it's mounted until youy change it ON THE MOUNTED DEVICE.
2008 [19:56:29] <greycat> NOT in the underlying Debian file
system.
2009 [19:59:06] <rany> angelo_ts: chown -R angelo
/media/angelo/bb1d7fc9-08ad-4ee1-9dd6-e9eb4184ad41
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2018 [20:00:51] <angelo_ts> rany, oh thanks now it works
2019 [20:01:17] <angelo_ts> initially i chown'ed -R
angelo:angelo all files inside,m but still was not working
2020 [20:01:32] <chachasmooth_> will buster ship the 4.19 kernel?
2021 [20:01:53] <angelo_ts> rany, so what is the difference from
chowning all files inside or chown -R angelo
/media/angelo/bb1d7fc9-08ad-4ee1-9dd6-e9eb4184ad41 ^
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2024 [20:02:11] <annadane> chachasmooth_, most probably yes but
you can also ask #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2026 [20:02:22] <greycat> the command you were given chowns
starting from the root directory of the mounted file system.
2027 [20:02:25] <annadane> but i wouldn't think the answer
would change - 4.19 is supposed to be LTS
2028 [20:02:26] <chachasmooth_> annadane thx, will do
2029 [20:02:54] <greycat> the ability to create a file within a
directory is determined by the file system permissions of the
directory
2030 [20:03:07] <rany> angelo_ts: when you chown
/media/angelo/bb1d7fc9-08ad-4ee1-9dd6-e9eb4184ad41 you can create
files inside. but if you chown all files inside the folder then you
will only be able to change the files but not create new ones
2031 [20:03:29] <rany> inside the folder
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2033 [20:03:44] <Malinux> anyone know what causing this?
replaced-url
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2035 [20:04:04] <angelo_ts> rany, seems i couldn't even
delete them still
2036 [20:04:10] <greycat> removing "gnome" is utterly
harmless. "gnome" is just a metapackage.
2037 [20:04:21] <greycat> ,info gnome
2038 [20:04:22] <judd> Package gnome (metapackages, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Full GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra
components. Version: 1:3.22+3; Size: 24.2k; Installed: 33k;
Screenshot:
replaced-url
2039 [20:04:33] <rany> greycat: it also deletes xorg
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2041 [20:04:40] <greycat> ,info xorg
2042 [20:04:41] <judd> Package xorg (x11, optional) in
stretch/amd64: X.Org X Window System. Version: 1:7.7+19; Size:
37.5k; Installed: 52k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2043 [20:04:48] <annadane> Malinux, can you pastebin apt-cache
policy
2044 [20:05:12] <rany> so its not harmless
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2048 [20:05:31] <greycat> Now, if it were to remove something
actually important like xserver-xorg then that would be a whole
different story.
2049 [20:05:32] <Malinux> annadane: apt-cache policy:
replaced-url
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2059 [20:08:52] <jhutchins_wk> !rwntfs
2060 [20:08:52] <dpkg> NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing
NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g".
Usage examples:
replaced-url
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2063 [20:09:15] <jhutchins_wk> AH, that's it:
2064 [20:09:21] * greycat opens the original link ... oh, xserver-xorg
*is* on the removal list. Yeah, definitely don't let it go
through with that.
2065 [20:09:31] <jhutchins_wk> !user accessible ntfs
2066 [20:09:31] <dpkg> To get an NTFS or VFAT file system
accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man
5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid
options. You'll end up sticking something like
conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003
into your fstab's mount option field.
2067 [20:09:38] <greycat> People reporting the harmless symptoms
instead of the real, important symptoms....
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2071 [20:10:19] <jhutchins_wk> angelo_ts: That should give you an
idea of the options you need. You can put them in fstab under the
UUID of the drive, or the mount point if you use multiple drives.
2072 [20:10:23] <greycat> In any case, the apt-cache policy output
is a total disaster. "repo.vivaldi.com",
"ppa.launchpad.net", ...?
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2075 [20:10:52] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, I would expect that
system to be broken.
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2077 [20:11:04] <greycat> Anything with "ppa" in it just
means "run away!"
2078 [20:11:09] <annadane> !don't break debian
2079 [20:11:09] <dpkg> dont break debian is, like,
replaced-url
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2099 [20:17:55] <qwebirc57341> I've compared package versions
of ubuntu 18.10 and debian unstable on distrowatch and they're
pretty much the same, can i expect similar stability between the
two?
2100 [20:18:05] <apollo13> no
2101 [20:18:17] <qwebirc57341> why not?
2102 [20:19:10] <Malinux> so I should remove vivaldi?
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2108 [20:20:09] <greycat> I have no idea what vivaldi is, other
than a composer of classical music. The one that screams
"NOOOOO!" immediately is the one that says "ppa"
in it.
2109 [20:20:17] <greycat> !ppa
2110 [20:20:17] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see
replaced-url
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2112 [20:21:39] <Malinux> greycat: vivaldi is a browser
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2114 [20:21:42] <nyov> Malinux: that's likely not the issue
2115 [20:21:49] <annadane> qwebirc57341, depends on the package.
also, please don't install ubuntu or debian unstable packages
into your debian stable
2116 [20:22:14] <Malinux> nyov: I don't think it is the issue
my self, as I have never experienced this with vivaldi before. My
suspicion is something from backports, but I might of course be
wrong
2117 [20:22:45] <annadane> it's still a bad idea in general
to add third party repositories, with very limited exceptions
2118 [20:23:26] <Malinux> annadane: I see. maybe I can have
nextcloud from another source.
2119 [20:23:46] <n4dir> and sure not any repository you run into.
If you really want something, and you made sure there is nothing
accordingly in the debian repos, then ... perhaps.
2120 [20:23:49] <qwebirc57341> annadane, i'm not planning to,
i want to either install ubuntu 18.10 or debian unstable on my
system and was wondering if unstable is comparable in stability as
they have pretty much the same packages, if debian unstable was
quite a bit "unstabler" i would tend to ubuntu
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2122 [20:24:59] <annadane> qwebirc57341, YMMV, but anecdotally
people have run sid for years without too many issues, just be
cautious and read
replaced-url
2123 [20:25:38] <nyov> Malinux: you can move all your different
sources to their own files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ -- then you
can append '.disabled' to the filename to ignore them
temporarily
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2125 [20:26:18] <greycat> or, just put # in front of their lines
in sources.list
2126 [20:26:25] <nyov> Malinux: then you can do an apt-get update
and check again if your dist-upgrade doesn't break stuff, or
upgrade packages incrementally
2127 [20:26:27] <qwebirc57341> annadane, thanks, sounds like it
should be comparable, i will go for debian then
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2131 [20:26:47] <nyov> greycat: right
2132 [20:26:49] <nyov> :)
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2134 [20:27:08] <RoyK> Malinux: perhaps try to remove/purge
vivaldi first and then see if it works better
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2136 [20:27:46] <nyov> Malinux: another option is to try aptitude.
usually it has better reporting of why it want's to do
something
2137 [20:28:01] <annadane> the most destructive would be the ppa
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2139 [20:28:31] <annadane> but i guess it depends on specifics,
aptitude may help, but i don't know how well it works with PPAs
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2141 [20:29:17] <Malinux> RoyK: I doubt it is because of Vivaldi
2142 [20:29:32] <rany> Malinux: if you need nextcloud install the
flatpak
2143 [20:29:45] <Malinux> rany: ok
2144 [20:29:52] <rany> it's better than adding repos
2145 [20:30:00] <annadane> also idk about nextcloud but definitely
browsers, like, they can just be put wherever one puts third-party
software safely, /opt or /usr/local or the home directory
2146 [20:30:11] <RoyK> rany: flatpak?
2147 [20:30:15] <nyov> side-loading is better than repos?
2148 [20:30:24] <RoyK> ,v flatpak
2149 [20:30:25] <judd> Package: flatpak on amd64 --
stretch-security: 0.8.5-2+deb9u1; jessie-backports:
0.8.9-0+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.8.9-0+deb9u1; stretch-backports:
1.0.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.0.4-1; sid: 1.0.4-1
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2151 [20:30:38] <Malinux> rany: I see. Hopefully it works with
flatpak. I have installed gimp 2.10 with flatpak and I had to
manually mess around to have a launcher when I use <super> and
search for application
2152 [20:31:23] <rany> Malinux: I'm running the flatpak and
it runs well. You just need to manually create the autostart entry
2153 [20:31:30] <RoyK> ,info flatpak
2154 [20:31:31] <judd> Package flatpak (admin, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Application deployment framework for desktop apps.
Version: 0.8.9-0+deb9u1; Size: 522.6k; Installed: 2837k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2156 [20:31:56] <Malinux> rany: yeah, and I don't like to add
autostart entries, etc
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2158 [20:32:35] <rany> Malinux: you can use mine if that helps
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2160 [20:33:05] <Malinux> rany: I helps in the short run
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2162 [20:33:38] <Malinux> I think I try to remove packages
installed with backports first, and see if things gets back to
normal
2163 [20:34:39] <Malinux> Then I can try nextcloud from flatpak
and see if is is as simple as it seems, and If I have to mess with
manually making laucnhers, etc, I will still limit use of flatpaks
2164 [20:35:04] <rany> Malinux: here is the autostart file:
replaced-url
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2166 [20:35:24] <annadane> i'd still think it's more the
ppa at fault than backports, but whatever...
2167 [20:35:42] <Malinux> this is from aptitude dist-upgrade
2168 [20:35:43] <Malinux>
replaced-url
2169 [20:36:02] <annadane> oh. i literally just had this issue
2170 [20:36:04] <Malinux> bpo is mentioned
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2172 [20:36:21] <annadane> hang on let me find the relevant irc
log
2173 [20:36:32] <Malinux> annadane: okey :) thanx
2174 [20:36:45] <annadane> (that said PLEASE remove your ppa...)
2175 [20:36:52] <Malinux> annadane: :)
2176 [20:37:16] <Malinux> I can comment out the nextcloud ppa
then, and do an apt update and a apt dist-upgrade
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2179 [20:40:27] <annadane> Malinux, try: apt install -t
stretch-backports libgbm1:i386 libgbm1
2180 [20:41:05] <annadane> (this will likely require a reboot
after)
2181 [20:41:14] <annadane> or uh, restart your display manager
2182 [20:42:05] <Malinux> annadane: ok
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2186 [20:43:27] <Malinux> annadane: I installed the packages.
Should I restart my displaymanger right away?
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2189 [20:44:52] <annadane> may as well
2190 [20:45:46] <Malinux> annadane: thanx, now this is the output
from apt dist-upgrade
replaced-url
2191 [20:46:03] <Malinux> so it wasn't the ppa's :p :)
2192 [20:46:12] <annadane> yeah, but get rid of it anyway
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2194 [20:46:42] <annadane> keep whatever dot files (configuration
files in your home directory) or other configs you want if you care
about that, and then get rid of it
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2197 [20:47:39] <Malinux> annadane: I will get rid of it anyway as
long as it is possible to
2198 [20:47:50] <Malinux> annadane: ok
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2201 [20:49:46] <Malinux> annadane: and thanx :)
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2222 [20:53:22] <annadane> aaaaaand... be careful with the massive
list of apt autoremove packages, it's just an advisory, you
don't need to get rid of those, you can apt-mark hold the stuff
you want to keep
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2224 [20:53:33] <annadane> the thing that says something like
"the following can also be removed"
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2227 [20:54:02] <annadane> as opposed to "WILL be
removed"
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2232 [20:54:34] <annadane> one annoyance with aptitude is if you
follow its recommendation and you have apt autoremove-able packages,
it will ALSO REMOVE THOSE. bad.
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2236 [20:55:30] <greycat> I dislike autoremove so strongly that I
modified my apt config to mark everything as ineligible for
autoremove, period.
2237 [20:55:59] <n4dir> i autoremove as if there was no tomorrow.
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2242 [20:56:41] <annadane> it's fine as long as you're
careful about what you did actually remove in the first place...
2243 [20:57:04] <Malinux> annadane: ok :)
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2246 [20:57:49] <annadane> but gnome is particularly terrible
about this kind of thing, maybe also kde plasma a bit. i think
removing gnome-games under some circumstances will also remove the
desktop, or put it in the autoremovable list
2247 [20:57:59] <greycat> It's designed to be mostly
harmless, and I'm sure the vast majority of Debian users leave
it in place, though I can't even guess how many ever explicitly
run an autoremove.
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2251 [20:58:37] <rany> I run autoremove... never had any problems
with it
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2263 [21:02:28] <annadane> i keep a mental map in my head of what
such and such package dragged in and the common pitfalls like the
gnome-games example
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2265 [21:02:45] <annadane> and i basically just don't read
the list apart from that because i don't uninstall a million
packages a day
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2267 [21:03:22] <annadane> (you don't have to. apt does the
dependency resolving stuff really well)
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2270 [21:03:47] <Doerno> Hello. I am experiencing random kernel
freezes since I upgraded from Jessie to Stretch. I installed Kernel
4.18 but the issue still exists./var/log/messages as well as journal
are not giving any useful information. Any tip will be appreciated!
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2274 [21:04:47] <Doerno> When the freezing strikes, I can not use
Sysrq functionality and the only hard reboot is possible.
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2276 [21:05:13] <n4dir> the worst which happened to me was that i
had to reinstall stuff i removed per accident. But then: as i
don't use (big) meta-packages ..
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2285 [21:09:59] <Malinux> annadane: I am now using flatpak and
will change what is installed from third party repoes with flatpak.
Does tab-complete works for the apps-names? when doing flatpak
install <package-name> ?
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2287 [21:10:18] <annadane> idk. not too familiar with flatpaks
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2289 [21:11:40] <Malinux> annadane: okey ah, it was rany who
recomended flatpak, I think
2290 [21:12:03] <greycat> I've been led to believe that a
flatpak is a self-contained thing that brings along its own private
copies of all libraries, hugely wasteful of disk space and
bandwidth, but the trade-off being you know exactly how it will
work.
2291 [21:12:25] <Malinux> I think I figured it out. It just took
very long time for it to show the applications :)
2292 [21:13:17] <Malinux> greycat: yeah, my tought too. Isn't
this how they're always done it in windows?
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2294 [21:14:23] <greycat> I'm not the best one to ask about
that, but I think Windows applications tend to bring along whatever
copy of whatever shared lib they feel like, and they drop their own
copy of the shared lib into the system directory (WIN32 or whatever
it is), ending up in chaos.
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2297 [21:15:49] <annadane> so because of all the stuff you added
you may in future run into upgrade problems, just come back here if
that happenes
2298 [21:15:50] <annadane> happens
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2300 [21:16:25] <Malinux> greycat: ok
2301 [21:16:36] <Malinux> annadane: I see.
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2303 [21:17:27] <rany> Malinux: to install you must specify the
repo first
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2307 [21:17:36] <rany> so, flatpak install flathub
org.nextcloud.Nextcloud
2308 [21:17:50] <balsaq> is debian faster and less prone to bugs
than ubuntu?
2309 [21:17:52] <Malinux> rany: ok and I figured out, tab-complete
actually works
2310 [21:18:14] <annadane> less prone to bugs almost certainly (if
you use stable). faster... maybe, it has less bloat
2311 [21:18:39] <balsaq> i wonder which feautres are missing
2312 [21:18:44] <Malinux> rany: and I have installed so far, both
nextcloud and spotify from flatpak after removing the repo-versions,
and they both have the launcher icon. So this is'nt that much
of a mess as I first feared.
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2314 [21:18:50] <balsaq> like wil it autol load my wirelessd rives
2315 [21:18:52] <Malinux> and my english sucks
2316 [21:19:07] <annadane> yeah, you might need non-free software.
you can check that with a debian live image
2317 [21:19:15] <annadane> debian doesn't come with non-free
software by default
2318 [21:19:22] <annadane> (it can be added however)
2319 [21:19:26] <Malinux> I use a live-usb with non-free etc
2320 [21:19:36] <balsaq> i did not install anything i just loaded
ubuntu and everything works
2321 [21:20:00] <Malinux> however, the spotify from flathub
displays a black window
2322 [21:20:01] <balsaq> it saw my wireless router for me does
debian do that
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2332 [21:23:45] <rany> balsaq: you can use unofficial images
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2334 [21:24:52] <balsaq> if i load debian will it see and ask me
to connect to my wreless router
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2336 [21:25:33] <balsaq> that is my fav feature of a linux distro
not having to chase down those drivers
2337 [21:25:51] <rany> balsaq:
replaced-url
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2339 [21:26:17] <balsaq> installing packages to customize it is ok
but that issue of connecting to the internet i dont want to have to
go thru
2340 [21:26:33] <jhutchins_wk> balsaq: Debian by default
doesn't have proprietary drivers and firmware, but they are
available, and most things work. The majority of wireless cards do
work with the default install, but some require a couple additional
steps.
2341 [21:26:36] <n4dir> you got no cable?
2342 [21:27:05] <balsaq> i dont want to hook it to my hard wire i
wnt it to see my wireless during the install
2343 [21:27:07] <jhutchins_wk> balsaq: Debian is less about doing
all the thinking for you and more about putting you in complete
control.
2344 [21:27:30] <balsaq> yes i know and i like that except for
this one issue
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2347 [21:27:47] <rany> balsaq: if use the images from the link
above then you should have all the drivers
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2349 [21:27:56] <rany> just like ubuntu
2350 [21:28:14] <balsaq> ok but not all the other bulk from ubuntu
right?
2351 [21:28:33] <balsaq> oh wait thats a non free cd
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2353 [21:28:42] <n4dir> plonk.
2354 [21:28:53] <rany> balsaq, it has drivers you might need
2355 [21:29:13] <balsaq> i only like free disks
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2357 [21:29:31] <greycat> Then your wireless will probably never
work.
2358 [21:29:34] <at0m> balsaq: then buy free hardware
2359 [21:29:50] <rany> balsaq, what do you mean by free?
2360 [21:29:55] <balsaq> free OS
2361 [21:30:04] <at0m> no propriatary binary blobs
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2363 [21:30:07] <balsaq> free linux distros
2364 [21:30:17] <rany> ubuntu isn't free
2365 [21:30:23] <greycat> If you want a 100% Libre machine, you
will have to forego certain hardware.
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2367 [21:30:40] <at0m> rany: ubuntu isnt hmm as strict as debian
2368 [21:30:43] <balsaq> im running ubuntu free so far are they
going to try to get money?
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2370 [21:30:49] <greycat> Basically, nothing you buy "off the
shelf" will qualify. It will have to be custom built with
specific hardware choices.
2371 [21:30:54] <rany> balsaq: you are thinking money
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2373 [21:31:11] <greycat> Libre has nothing to do with money.
2374 [21:31:19] <at0m> ^
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2376 [21:31:28] <annadane> !dfsg
2377 [21:31:28] <rany> balsaq:
replaced-url
2378 [21:31:28] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
replaced-url
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2380 [21:31:49] <balsaq> ty rany but grey just said my wireless
wont work
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2383 [21:32:22] <balsaq> i tried getting wireless to work when it
didint happen on its own before and it weas a living nightmare
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2386 [21:32:33] <rany> balsaq: greycat means non-libre
2387 [21:32:41] <rany> and libre software
2388 [21:32:45] <greycat> If you want wireless to work during
install, you must use the non-free (non-Libre) installer.
2389 [21:32:46] <rany> Read the links
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2393 [21:33:23] <balsaq> is no libre mean non free?
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2395 [21:33:28] <greycat> (Or have a second medium with the
non-free firmware packages on it to supplement the regular installer
which doesn't have them.)
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2434 [21:45:05] <yakiza> annadane: hey how you doing?
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2438 [21:46:19] <yakiza> Guys an silly question i am trying to
find out how many cores does a certain gpu has but while i am going
through the specs there is no reference in cores is there a diferent
name that refers to cores?
2439 [21:46:26] <yakiza>
replaced-url
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2441 [21:47:04] <annadane> balsaq, packages in non-free directly
violate at one aspect of the DFSG. contrib packages are free, but
depend on non-free packages
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2446 [21:47:14] <annadane> at least one aspect of*
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2453 [21:49:22] <rany> yakiza: gpu cores?
2454 [21:49:46] <nyov> perhaps means compute units
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2458 [21:50:30] <yakiza> i am not sure i guess
2459 [21:50:46] <yakiza> rany: i had a read that gpu have cores
more cores than cpus but they are slower
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2462 [21:51:23] <balsaq> yakiza yes it not cores
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2464 [21:51:32] <balsaq> is it nvidia or radeon
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2467 [21:51:42] <yakiza> balsaq: then its the units?
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2469 [21:51:45] <greycat> 15:46 yakiza>
replaced-url
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2472 [21:52:05] <balsaq> ok i know that card
2473 [21:52:13] <balsaq> the main thing is the bits
2474 [21:52:53] <yakiza> balsaq: i am doing a cyber security
degree and i want to buy a card that can help me in password
cracking, i had a read and i need soemthing
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2476 [21:52:56] <yakiza> with loads of cores
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2482 [21:54:31] <yakiza> balsaq: see
replaced-url
2483 [21:54:39] <balsaq> yeah well thats really not a gpu thing
man
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2485 [21:55:00] <jhutchins_wk> yakiza: It depends on what kind of
operation you're performing whether a gpu or a cpu will be more
efficient.
2486 [21:55:15] <jhutchins_wk> yakiza: There's an Intel chip
with 64 cores iirc.
2487 [21:55:24] <greycat> I would also advise you that #debian is
not the best place to find information about grey- and black-hat
activities.
2488 [21:55:26] <jhutchins_wk> yakiza: Intel cpu.
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2491 [21:55:56] <yakiza> greycat: this has nothing to do with gray
or black hat activities its related to my degree that is whitehat
2492 [21:56:24] <jhutchins_wk> yakiza: #hardware would probably be
a better place to ask.
2493 [21:56:25] <rany> why does your degree need password
cracking?
2494 [21:56:31] <yakiza> jhutchins_wk: thank you
2495 [21:56:40] <balsaq> 16 Compute Units activated and thus 1024
Shader Processing Units
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2497 [21:56:45] <yakiza> rany: cause i am doing computer forensics
and cyber security
2498 [21:57:03] <yakiza> rany: when i aquire a hardrive from a
suspect that has password protected files etc i need to crack them
2499 [21:57:13] <balsaq> there is a very specific linux distro for
hacking but not this one
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2501 [21:58:06] <rainfyre> lol
2502 [21:58:13] <jelly> balsaq, this one however tries to be
Universal
2503 [21:58:25] <yakiza> jelly: hahah lmao
2504 [21:58:30] <jelly> and does not let people run X and
basically everything as root.
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2506 [21:58:57] <jelly> if yakiza wants to run gpgpu stuff on
Debian, sure why not
2507 [21:59:03] <rainfyre> I'd spend more time finding big
wordlists, you're only gonna get so far with hashcat, yakiza
2508 [21:59:04] <balsaq> for example kali linux
2509 [21:59:23] <rainfyre> ^^ yeah you could check in #kali-linux
2510 [21:59:49] <yakiza> i want to upgrade my gpu and i am trying
to figure out what aspects of it i should check
2511 [22:00:22] <balsaq> u dont upgrade it u just get a new one
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2515 [22:01:43] <balsaq> you rx isa 128 bit card and suitable for
most games at 1080p it is barely a mid range card u dont upgrade it
(itself) u remove it and install 256 bit card
2516 [22:02:00] <n4dir> jelly: well, it does let you run X as
root, if you want to ...
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2519 [22:02:29] <greycat> You'd only have to run X as root if
you're doing the legacy thing for old chipsets.
2520 [22:02:49] <greycat> (Yeah yeah, I know, you actually meant
starting an X session as root ... which is of course not a smart
thing.)
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2527 [22:06:30] <jelly> greycat, everything runs as root in Kali.
X, X apps, terminals, tools that need and tools that do not need to
run as root.
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2618 [22:42:13] <balsaq> this entire chat fro 40 minutes is only
ppl coming in and leaving
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2620 [22:43:04] <mtn> balsaq: that's good. nobody is having
any trouble ;)
2621 [22:43:26] <jelly> balsaq, you can configure most clients to
hide that, something like /IGNORE JOINS PARTS QUITS
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2650 [22:55:45] <johnnyfive> Howdy, I created my own repository of
just nano, (not the flat file repo, but structured normally), and
created a Packages.gz using the dpkg-scanpackages tool. However upon
trying `apt update` with my repo installed, apt complains: "E:
Unable to parse package file (1)". Is there any way to get more
information than that? Enabling all debug options for apt
doesn't seem to show anything.
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2656 [22:58:54] <magicberry> hello. i am new to linux and trying
to upload a file from a computer running on windows to a raspberry
pi running on raspbian by using ssh. i got putty on the windows
machine and have been trying to upload it by using <scp
C:/Users/Guest/Desktop/file.zip pi@raspberrypi:/home/pi/file.zip>
but putty can't seem to locate the file on windows. is there a
way to better specify the file's name on windows so it can be
found?
2657 [22:59:15] <greycat> if you're using windows and
raspbian, then why are you asking in #debian
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2660 [23:00:48] <tarzeau> magicberry: drop file.zip from
destination
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2664 [23:03:27] <magicberry> thank you
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2667 [23:05:12] <magicberry> the program responds to me saying
'ssh: Could not resolve hostname c: Name or service not
known'
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2669 [23:06:11] <jelly> heh, crazy putty
2670 [23:06:41] <Kelsar> magicberry: it interpretes c: as host c
with path behind it
2671 [23:06:42] <tarzeau> magicberry: try using pscp on windows???
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2732 [23:42:21] <jh001> hello, weird/annoying kernel logging thing
I think - about every 5 min, dmesg has a new "[timestamp] sdd:
sdd1" entry. that's all. over and over. /var/log/messages
has "[nearby timestamp] shortname vmunix: [timestamp] sdd:
sdd1." any ideas how to assuage the kernel and stop this noise?
if it helps - sd1 is an unmounted crypto_luks partition. when I
mount it, the noise stops.
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2738 [23:47:27] <nyov> perhaps some noise from that ugly os-prober
thingy?
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2740 [23:48:08] <jh001> nyov: interesting maybe - what thingy?
2741 [23:48:09] <nyov> actually I have no clue. just a stab in the
dark
2742 [23:48:15] <jh001> nyov: ah ok
2743 [23:48:37] <nyov> os-prober tries to detect device
filesystems, or partitions
2744 [23:48:52] <nyov> but I don't think it would run every 5
minutes
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2746 [23:49:36] <somiaj> os-prober I htink only runs with
update-grub, which is only run when new kernels are installed
2747 [23:49:42] <somiaj> well that ist he common time it is run
2748 [23:49:42] <jh001> yeah, the every 5 is worrisome. they are
between 300 and 311 seconds, and sometimes, back-to-back, same
second.
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2750 [23:49:58] <jh001> nothing I'm doing in cron or
elsewhere
2751 [23:50:02] <nyov> jh001: actually that first entry is usually
happening when the kernel re-reads disk partition info
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2754 [23:50:57] <nyov> ...which you sometimes do for detecting
partitions on loop-mounted data.
2755 [23:51:10] <jh001> nyov: there's no harm - just
annoying. hate (lots of) log entries that I can't explain
2756 [23:51:13] <nyov> maybe there is a cryptsetup-related cronjob
running?
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2762 [23:51:41] <jh001> I sense that "vmunix" is at the
bottom of this, but precious little on the interwebs about vmunix
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2766 [23:52:11] <jh001> nyov: I've scoured crontabs - 99%
sure it ain't that
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2768 [23:53:02] <jh001> and again, mounting the part makes it stop
2769 [23:53:19] <somiaj> check your systemd mounts
2770 [23:53:37] <somiaj> wonder if systemd has created a mount
unit for that partition, and keeps trying to mount it, or something
along those lines
2771 [23:53:54] <somiaj> also is this partition listed in
/etc/fstab
2772 [23:53:59] <jh001> somiaj: ah. so fstab isn't the whole
story?
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2774 [23:54:12] <jh001> somiaj: no, not in fstab. how to check
systemd mounts?
2775 [23:54:37] <somiaj> not quite sure, I still have to look up
the details on systemd.
2776 [23:54:51] <somiaj> systemctl should list all units, look for
.mount units
2777 [23:55:27] <nyov> I suppose it could be some system auditing
or logging process checking things out. and once it's mounted,
no need to check part.tables anymore
2778 [23:56:08] <jh001> nice call on systemd - but no mention of
sdd...
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2780 [23:57:26] <jh001> nyov: thanks - might be the physical drive
itself. can't get others to behave the same (dmesg-wise)
2781 [23:57:52] <nyov> do you have other unmounted cryptsetup
devices?
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2783 [23:57:55] <jh001> appreciate the thinking on it folks,
I'll keep digging around.
2784 [23:58:01] <somiaj> care to share the mount command you use
to actually mount the device?
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2786 [23:58:18] <jh001> sure, lemme
2787 [23:58:25] <somiaj> maybe systemd can't determine what
the actual partition type is, and becuase of this keeps on checking.
Wonder if making an fstab entry for it (and setting it as no
automount) would stop this
2788 [23:58:49] <somiaj> or creating a systemd mount unit (fstab
lines are all turned into mount units)
2789 [23:59:25] <jh001> definately no fstab mention
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2791 [23:59:50] <jh001> /sbin/cryptsetup luksOpen UUID="lots
of hex digits" backup02
2792 [23:59:59] <jh001> mount /dev/mapper/backup02 /sdd
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