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0[00:00:38] <lifeofguenter> ok so why is selecting the mirror with the slower uplink ? :)
1[00:00:45] <mtcj> Why wouldn't it?
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4[00:01:16] <mtcj> It's job isn't to pick the fastest server. If it did that some servers would get killed dead and others would never be used.
5[00:01:24] <lifeofguenter> ah maybe I missed the mission statement. Using httpredir.debian.net was created to give the worse ux - gotcha ;)
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7[00:01:38] <lifeofguenter> lol... are you for real?
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10[00:02:09] <mtcj> No, you just don't understand the point.
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12[00:02:39] <mtcj> You will likely experience no significant difference except for the different uplink speeds.
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14[00:03:01] <mtcj> And there's no reason for a redirector to care about that.
15[00:03:28] <lifeofguenter> dude cmon, I get you if you want to make sure that mirrors should be load balanced. but let's at least stay with the facts:
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19[00:03:42] <lifeofguenter> "difference except for the different uplink speeds." - you absolutely wouldn't know that - so why say it?
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21[00:04:09] <lifeofguenter> you are making assumptions with half-knowledge
22[00:04:09] <olscumpy> whatever it wasn't satisfied with before, it works now on reboot, woohoo!
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24[00:04:49] <mtcj> lifeofguenter give me a single example of a way I'm wrong about the statement you quoted
25[00:04:52] <mtcj> Just one
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31[00:05:17] <mtcj> Tell me about how the latency affects your data center full of Debian machines please
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34[00:06:00] <lifeofguenter> so you are telling there is no difference between a server hosted in the same DC and one hosted around the world? same 100mbit connection?
35[00:06:05] <lifeofguenter> lets be real here..
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39[00:06:18] <mtcj> Woah woah
40[00:06:22] <lifeofguenter> I meant, both with a 100mbit connection
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43[00:06:28] <mtcj> We were never discussing same DC lol
44[00:06:36] <mtcj> You just moved the goalpost.
45[00:06:43] <mtcj> Discussion effectively over.
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49[00:07:02] <lifeofguenter> ok let's go further same city, around the world, same 100mbit connection - no difference?
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52[00:07:32] <mtcj> Give me an example of when the difference would be notable.
53[00:07:36] <lifeofguenter> must be a really weird peering agreements if packets would first have to travel around the world ;)
54[00:07:48] <lifeofguenter> no of course there is no difference
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56[00:07:50] <lifeofguenter> CDN is a lie
57[00:08:03] <lifeofguenter> all this geolocated importance is a lie
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60[00:08:21] <lifeofguenter> anyway had some fun tonight - at least I am awake again - thanks for that
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62[00:08:25] <mtcj> Anyway I'm not going to get sucked into you goading me to prove a negative.
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104[00:29:11] <olscumpy> !cheatsheet
105[00:29:20] <olscumpy> !keybindings
106[00:29:39] <olscumpy> flarf
107[00:29:50] <olscumpy> does the bot have the thing I'm looking for under a different word
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109[00:30:52] <Daiwo> Hi there
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115[00:33:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> olscumpy, that would be easier to answer if one knew what you're looking for
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118[00:33:59] <olscumpy> like a list of typical hotkeys you use to avoid needing menus and the mouse
119[00:34:16] <olscumpy> the computer I'm trying debian on has a terrible tiny touchpad
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129[00:38:32] <maxcell_> There is any way to run VDPAU in Totem?
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135[00:41:26] <andril> o/
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161[00:59:18] <jim> hi... got a laptop with wireless, automatically had the driver... iwlist scan works... now, I'm trying to figure out how to connect to my access point... it's open for the moment, and I'm ok with that for now. how can I connect with the interfaces file?
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202[01:17:36] <jim> hi... got a laptop with wireless, automatically had the driver... iwlist scan works... now, I'm trying to figure out how to connect to my access point... it's open for the moment, and I'm ok with that for now. how can I connect with the interfaces file?
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207[01:20:16] <devno> final conclusion nvidia does not work with that messy debian setup
208[01:20:36] <devno> x depends on y but is not installable etc.
209[01:21:24] <maxcell_> what debain are you using and how did you try to install
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211[01:21:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> jim, it's actually more convenient for most wireless connections to use one of the network manager things
212[01:22:20] <jim> yeah... the install to this point is base only
213[01:22:46] <jim> thanks for the shout
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219[01:27:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> it can be done with interfaces, but you need to configure wpa_suplicant inside it
220[01:27:44] <devno> replaced-url
221[01:27:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> and so documentation may be a bit strayed via several man pages
222[01:27:50] <devno> so finally nvidia and ubuntu are a nogo
223[01:27:59] <devno> ubuntu ... no debian
224[01:28:02] <devno> ubuntu works :-)
225[01:28:32] <jim> well the WAP is open (no protection/people can just connect) at the moment... I will turn on wpa or wpa2
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236[01:33:57] <jim> devno, I only had the opportunity to test this once... but an install of amd64 debian and amd64 ubuntu, yes they both work, and, the ubuntu (a) downloaded from the package mirror, (b) installed, and (c) ran, half as fast (or pretty close)
237[01:34:55] <jim> devno, people will probably get mad if we talk about ubuntu here
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239[01:36:35] <jim> in the particular case of (a) package downloads, I enjoy a mirror that's maybe 15 mi away from me and is a major university which has -very- fast mirror
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241[01:37:35] <jim> I'm sure that if ubuntu was on that mirror (didn't find it, debian is), the downloads would match up speedwise
242[01:38:20] <jim> hy Gry
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244[01:38:48] <Rmsk4llex> HI?
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246[01:39:05] <jim> HY,
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248[01:39:25] <Rmsk4llex> Friends?
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251[01:39:40] <jim> acqueaintances
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254[01:40:00] <Rmsk4llex> Okay
255[01:40:12] <jim> maybe we are friends, dunno...
256[01:40:38] <jim> we're both ##linux staff
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258[01:41:04] <Rmsk4llex> i am amateur
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260[01:41:17] <darkmatter> how do you enable filesystem quotas
261[01:41:36] <jim> there's a file you need
262[01:41:40] <darkmatter> when installing an application i get p 07 16:39:57 openmediavault systemd[1]: Failed to start Enable File System Quotas.
263[01:41:52] <Rmsk4llex> ??
264[01:41:53] <jim> I did it once as an assignment
265[01:42:15] <jim> maybe /etc/quotas
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267[01:42:22] <Rmsk4llex> Well I joined Direct
268[01:42:46] <jim> that's a guess based on my cobweb-riddled memory
269[01:42:59] <jim> just so you know :)
270[01:43:08] <Rmsk4llex> okay man
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273[01:44:13] <jim> what's important in being an amateur? (me too, I'm an amateur radio operator)
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275[01:44:31] <Rmsk4llex> eii 'm still learning , so do not know anything
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277[01:44:51] <jim> oh ok, is it fun to learn?
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279[01:44:56] <Rmsk4llex> yes
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282[01:45:25] <jim> are you having any specific trouble other than quotas right now?
283[01:45:42] <darkmatter> jim: me?
284[01:45:53] <jim> yeah
285[01:45:58] <darkmatter> no i dont think so
286[01:46:02] <Rmsk4llex> No ^
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288[01:46:20] <Redfoxmoon> trying to debianize a new utility, but when I run dh-make -f ../package-folder it returns Source archive you specified ( ... ) was not found!
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290[01:47:16] <Redfoxmoon> actually, I am very very dumb, nevermind
291[01:47:55] <jim> look,,, that's why we're all here, to learn, mostly how to learn more
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293[01:48:24] <jim> ok,
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295[01:48:54] <jim> there are folks who can help you with packaging, the're members of debian-mentors
296[01:48:57] <darkmatter> Sep 07 16:47:51 openmediavault systemd[1]: Unit plexmediaserver.service entered failed state.
297[01:48:57] <darkmatter> Sep 07 16:48:02 openmediavault monit[765]: 'fs_media_f52e5784-7871-494d-9c21-8be2b64b123b' space usage 90.7% matches resource limit [space usage>80.0%]
298[01:49:12] <darkmatter> is preventing me from starting a server even though i dont care about the utilization of it
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300[01:49:31] <jim> there's a mailing list for them, and you can find #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
301[01:50:56] <jim> you can also ask yuour questions about that here
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304[01:51:17] <Gryllida> oh thank god, a new debian meintainer :)
305[01:51:21] * Gryllida claps
306[01:51:34] * Gryllida hugs Redfoxmoon
307[01:51:37] <jim> well at least a packager :)
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309[01:52:10] <_rubik> Hey I have a fairly rookie question. I downloaded an old (2004) jpcap package but can't seem to build it.. Am I missing something obvious>
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311[01:52:41] <litheum> _rubik: surely you'll need to share some information about what youre doing and what's happening when you do it
312[01:53:40] <jmcnaught> !openmediavault
313[01:53:41] <dpkg> OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at replaced-url
314[01:54:27] <jmcnaught> darkmatter: ^^ you need to ask the openmediavault people why it doesn't work. Plex is not even in Debian
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316[01:54:40] <Gryllida> Redfoxmoon: (I sit in #debian-mentors at oftc and ask dumb questions for a few weeks now -- slow learner :) any of your effort going in that direction is most appreciated)
317[01:54:44] <_rubik> litheum: There is no configure and running make returns a ton of no such file or directory.
318[01:55:24] <Redfoxmoon> Gryllida, I tried running it on the source folder, then I re-read the guide, and saw it had ".tar.gz" so.....hehehehe
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336[02:06:21] <Exagone313> Hi, what is the equivalent for iptables-persistent or testing? because it's available on stable and sid, not testing...
337[02:06:30] <Exagone313> on*
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346[02:08:53] <missmbob> Exagone313: using it from sid wont hurt anything. it's just a script. wont break testing.
347[02:09:15] <missmbob> Exagone313: anyway testing help is better served at #debian-next on OFTC (not freenode)
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349[02:11:27] <mtcj> I'm not sure I understand LTSP on Debian.
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351[02:11:56] <Exagone313> missmbob: ok thanks
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353[02:12:51] <mtcj> It seems /opt/ltsp/$arch/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf is wholly ignored
354[02:13:09] <mtcj> In favor of /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
355[02:13:33] <mtcj> Which makes LTSP effectively useless if the system is to serve more than one arch
356[02:13:39] <Exagone313> I think i'll create a systemd script or take one from another distro
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358[02:14:02] <mtcj> As one cannot set the nfsroot= kernel append parameter
359[02:14:12] <missmbob> Exagone313: replaced-url
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362[02:15:12] <Exagone313> ok /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables it's easier
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371[02:23:59] <_rubik> package architecture does not match system with dpkg.... is there a way around this?
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375[02:26:30] <_rubik> Errr .. Is it safe to --force-architecture when I have installing i386?
376[02:26:53] <rjsalts> _rubik: multi-arch
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378[02:27:10] <missmbob> replaced-url
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381[02:28:04] <_rubik> So.. --add-architecture i386 ?
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383[02:29:05] <missmbob> followed by apt-get update
384[02:29:18] <jim> how would I connect to an open WAP with sources.list?
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388[02:29:59] <jim> sorry, brainfart. with /etc/network/interfaces
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393[02:32:03] <_rubik> missmbob: Sounds good.
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398[02:33:05] <missmbob> jim replaced-url
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402[02:35:16] <jim> , find iwconfig
403[02:35:20] <judd> Search for iwconfig in jessie/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwconfig; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/iwconfig; zsh-common: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig
404[02:35:41] <jim> ,depends wireless-tools
405[02:35:42] <judd> Package wireless-tools in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libiw30 (>= 30~pre1).
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408[02:36:24] <jim> right now I have only the base
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423[02:49:24] <tom99> today I learned the difference between jessie-updates and jessie/updates
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433[02:59:49] <jim> missmbob, CutMeOwnThroat (since left tho), thanks! my laptop has a connection now!
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435[02:59:59] <_rubik> Ok I have a weird one I cant figure out ... Sun JDK 6
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441[03:03:47] <RoyK> _rubik: do you really need java?
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443[03:04:36] <_rubik> RoyK: Its for some clojure I'm writing and I need a library. Turns out that lib depends on the specific Sun JDK6
444[03:04:42] <_rubik> RoyK: So kinda yeah
445[03:04:59] <RoyK> openjdk seems to work well
446[03:05:11] <RoyK> otherwise there's ther oracle jdk
447[03:05:26] <RoyK> sun got swallowed by oracle, you know
448[03:05:44] <_rubik> RoyK: Well when I dpkg -i I keep getting dependency problems... I need sun-java6-jdk
449[03:05:59] <_rubik> RoyK: No way around it I'm afraid. I too have been using openjdk8
450[03:06:08] <jmcnaught> _rubik: JDK 6 doesn't get free support from oracle right now either. But check out replaced-url
451[03:06:13] <RoyK> _rubik: have you enabled non-free?
452[03:06:23] <_rubik> RoyK: Yes
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455[03:06:56] <RoyK> perhaps the above artivle tells a bit more
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465[03:13:35] <_rubik> RoyK: Yeah nothing. Maybe Im looking in the wrong place
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473[03:15:30] <jmcnaught> _rubik: section 4.5 of the link that i gave you, but the entire FAQ is worth reading for context of how java works on Debian
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493[03:26:43] <jim> Ihave some things beyond the base... but now, howbout what used to be called the Standard System? is there still that, and how would I get it?
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500[03:34:29] <jmcnaught> jim: look for the standard utilities task in tasksel
501[03:35:25] <jmcnaught> jim: or "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"
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504[03:37:59] <jim> are those tildas or dashes?
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506[03:38:24] <jmcnaught> they're tildes
507[03:38:31] <jmcnaught> jim: replaced-url
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555[04:10:48] <jim> what package do I need for when I type halt and it powers off instead of saying system halted?
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559[04:13:26] <awal1> jim, i guess you want to poweroff your machine instead of halt it?
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563[04:14:27] <jim> almost... I want it to power off -when- I type halt
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567[04:15:02] <awal1> shutdown = halt and poweroff
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570[04:16:04] <jim> so, what package (to talk to the appropriate hardware) do I need for that?
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572[04:16:33] <awal1> if you run systemctl halt, systen will be shutdown and machine halted; if you want shutdown both systen and machine use systemctl poweroff
573[04:16:43] <awal1> basically, thats all
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575[04:17:41] <awal1> that if yu use systemd
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578[04:18:10] <awal1> if sysvinit, shutdown -h now
579[04:18:12] <jim> so, this laptop has only the base and important/required/standard packages, and wicd... what is the hardware that does the poweroff?
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582[04:18:56] <awal1> the software you mean?
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584[04:19:08] <jim> no, the -hardware-
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588[04:20:52] <jim> I'm not trying to be difficult, but I know what I installed on this machine, and I also know that halt normally tells that -hardware- to do the poweroff after the machine does a proper shutdown
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591[04:21:51] <awal1> X software communicates with X physical components of your machine for shutdown it
592[04:21:53] <jim> consider this: what if that hardware didn't exist? then, I'd have to hit the power switch after the machine shuts down
593[04:22:06] <jim> X is not installed
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595[04:24:48] <jim> with respect, you don't seem to have a connection with what I want to do, or know what the exact status of the machine (i.e., what packages are installed, etc)... consider that yesterday (the day I bought that machine), it had no linux on it at all
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605[04:27:26] <jim> one thing does seem to be true... halt does not do power off at least at the moment. It used to.
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614[04:31:12] <awal1> basically, halt stops cpus; poweroff involves acpi/psu diconnecting the power. that said i dont know what's your real issue
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619[04:34:14] <jim> at this exact instant, I wanted to poweroff the machine so I can run an errand... I also wanted to find out the difference in what halt does in jessie versus what it used to do, which is contact the acpi to have it power down the machine after shutting down the linux installation
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621[04:34:47] <awal1> shutdown = halt & poweroff. halt is halt; poweroff is halt+poweroff
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623[04:34:56] <jim> so I did it manually again, no big deal... and now I'm off :)
624[04:35:14] <jim> that's not how things used to be
625[04:35:44] <awal1> things were a bit different with sysvinit
626[04:35:58] <awal1> now debian use systemd by default
627[04:36:03] <jim> maybe that is the difference
628[04:36:16] <jim> yes I'm well aware of that
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634[04:37:46] <hanshenrik> so there was this time i mounted a disk image. to like /old. then i started deleting stuff from the backup that i didn't need. turns out some of the folders was a hardlink/softlink to /usr/bin etc, and i broke the host system. ... how can i safely mount a disk image? so no links can touch the host system?
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664[05:02:01] <mtcj> Ouch
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666[05:03:00] <mtcj> awal1 I think that may be reiterative
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685[05:11:38] <hanshenrik> don't suppose anyone has a static x86_64 sh / bash binary laying around?
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693[05:14:15] <Aaron> can someone explain me in How to. get my screen resolution small
694[05:14:18] <Aaron> its too big.
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697[05:15:29] <hanshenrik> nvm, a static busybox was the answer
698[05:15:36] <somiaj> Aaron: what desktop do you use? Most have a display setting you can use. From the command line xrandr works too.
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738[05:47:47] <whitefang> ok this is a weird one, when I run vim.tiny directly the arrow keys work in insert mode. I have my vi alternative set to vim.tiny (can confirm it launches vim.tiny), however the arrow keys in insert mode dont work when I launch it via the symbolic.
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746[05:55:21] <whitefang> nevermind
747[05:55:27] <whitefang> found it. replaced-url
748[05:55:30] <whitefang> thats a weird one though
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806[06:39:04] <jim> got it... so systemd made yet another change, to the structure of halt, reboot and shutdown
807[06:41:09] <Gryllida> Heh. :)
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809[06:41:22] <weel> theres always openrc
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812[06:42:08] <tx> So guy's, DebianAU meetup amirite?
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814[06:43:23] <manizzle> hey guys. i am getting a problem loading the tun kernel module
815[06:43:29] <manizzle> how can i rebuild just that one module?
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818[06:43:40] <jak2000> hi all
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820[06:43:52] <jak2000> replaced-url
821[06:44:15] <bazhang> ,v gparted
822[06:44:18] <judd> Package: gparted on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.12.1-2+b1; jessie: 0.19.0-2; sid: 0.25.0-1; stretch: 0.25.0-1
823[06:44:31] <somiaj> manizzle: What sort of errors are you getting when it loads? What is the problem with the module, was it not configured with an option you need?
824[06:44:42] <tx> manizzle: go to the root directory of the source
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827[06:45:01] <tx> and do "make {path/to/folder/with/module}"
828[06:45:17] <manizzle> tx, so i rebuilt it
829[06:45:20] <manizzle> but now i get
830[06:45:21] <manizzle> tun: Unknown symbol __sk_detach_filter (err 0)
831[06:45:24] <tx> you might also be able to do "make {path/to/module/tun.ko}"
832[06:45:25] <manizzle> when i do insmod
833[06:45:38] <tx> does your source version match your kernel version
834[06:45:39] <tx> 100%
835[06:46:04] <tx> including things like arch
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838[06:46:31] <manizzle> Linux vpn-1 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
839[06:46:33] <weel> uname -a
840[06:46:41] <manizzle> root@vpn-1:/usr/src/linux-source-3.16# pwd
841[06:46:55] <manizzle> so maybe not exact...
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843[06:47:14] <tx> just use apt-get to download the source for ya kernel
844[06:47:22] <weel> make
845[06:47:22] <tx> assuming it's not a BYO kernel :P
846[06:47:55] <manizzle> BYO?
847[06:48:05] <tx> one you added after installing debian
848[06:48:06] <manizzle> linux-source-3.16 is the only thing avail in the repos
849[06:48:10] <tx> aka one not managed by the package manager
850[06:48:16] <jak2000> bazhang, see the pastebin?
851[06:48:26] <manizzle> um. im not actually sure. its a google compute engine instance actually...
852[06:48:31] <tx> ooh
853[06:48:35] <bazhang> what version debain jak2000
854[06:48:41] <tx> hmm, GCE might be using something different!
855[06:48:51] <jak2000> 14.04
856[06:49:05] <missmbob> !ubuntu
857[06:49:05] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
858[06:49:08] <bazhang> thats ubuntu
859[06:49:17] <weel> !ubuntu
860[06:49:18] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
861[06:49:24] <jak2000> mmm how to know
862[06:49:28] <jak2000> wich verison is?
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864[06:49:39] <jak2000> if ubuntu or debian?/
865[06:50:49] <missmbob> cat /etc/debian_version
866[06:50:50] <weel> dnf zypper pacman emerge
867[06:51:19] <jak2000> ahh then is debian 8.5
868[06:51:27] <jak2000> then how to resize the dissk?
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872[06:52:29] <weel> gparted
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874[06:54:09] <jak2000> (gpartedbin:12045): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display
875[06:54:11] <jak2000> no GUI
876[06:54:40] <twotwenty> are you su?
877[06:54:59] <jak2000> yes
878[06:55:01] <jak2000> i am on #
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880[06:55:12] <twotwenty> try with sudo
881[06:55:37] <jak2000> i am root
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884[06:55:58] <twotwenty> I dont think su knows howto make windows in your users environment
885[06:56:05] <jak2000> mmm
886[06:56:07] <jak2000> see replaced-url
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888[06:56:56] <jak2000> how to add sda3 space to / ?
889[06:57:12] <weel> replaced-url
890[06:57:15] <tx> you need to be using LVM to do that
891[06:57:27] <tx> (add another physical disk to a logical volume)
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894[06:58:13] <twotwenty> what partition are you trying to grow?
895[06:58:22] <twotwenty> oh sda3 ..
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897[06:58:45] <jak2000> yes
898[06:58:54] <twotwenty> jak:2000 do you have a new hard drive?
899[06:59:05] <jak2000> not
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901[06:59:10] <jak2000> new for?
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905[07:00:10] <twotwenty> you cannot just change that partition space easily
906[07:00:26] <jak2000> you mean for backup the data?
907[07:00:29] <jak2000> no problem is a new
908[07:01:32] <twotwenty> your better off moving it to a new drive. or back it up and then repartition .
909[07:01:33] <weel> use cfdisk and mkfs
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913[07:02:44] <jak2000> weel i am on cfdisk
914[07:02:45] <jak2000> now?
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919[07:05:52] <pragomer_1> how can I set libreoffice base as standard prog for ODB files? per default it is opened in archivemanager in jessie ???
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924[07:08:01] <jak2000> not understand why: lvextend -l +4940 /dev/localhost-vg/root
925[07:08:08] <jak2000> say me: Size of logical volume localhost-vg/root changed from 9.31 GiB (2383 extents) to 28.61 GiB (7323 extents).
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927[07:08:17] <jak2000> but never never i see in df -h any advice?
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948[07:18:19] <jim> jak2000, so, a partition, or a vol, is a container for blocks... what you've done is add blocks to the container... the next thing you have to do is have the -contained- filesystem grow to the limits of the new filesystem size
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950[07:18:45] <jak2000> jim format?
951[07:18:48] <jak2000> mkfs?
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962[07:24:35] <stoned> pragomer_1:
963[07:24:41] <stoned> pragomer_1: replaced-url
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965[07:24:54] <stoned> pragomer_1: replaced-url
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970[07:25:40] <stoned> pragomer_1: replaced-url
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972[07:26:55] <stoned> pragomer_1: if you use KDE or ghome or some DE, you could probably right click and find something like "Open With..." and associate the file extention to an app that way
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981[07:33:32] <cr0mag> i installed suricata got it going ok but the new version during startup shows the 'sc_poor_rule' warning anyone know how to disable that in the yaml ?
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990[07:38:46] <xenomorph_xx_121> hi can anyone help me to get vmware workstation running on debian testing? it needs gcc-5, which is installed, but i don't know how to tell vmware to use it!
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995[07:41:55] <iKarith> Hey everyone, I've got a machine I'm installing with a hard drive and SSD. I wish to use the latter to cache the former, which I understand to be dm-cache. And I want to encrypt the entire thing (yeah, /boot, I know, but otherwise), and it's a UEFI system.
996[07:42:04] <iKarith> ...how do you do this? :)
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998[07:43:23] <iKarith> I understand on Linux it's done in layers, which isn't how Mac CoreStorage does it.
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1000[07:44:09] <iKarith> It's a fresh machine with no partitions on either drive (not even an EFI partition at the moment), sitting in the net installer right now.
1001[07:44:39] <cr0mag> i run full disk encryption also but not boot but found this for boot replaced-url
1002[07:44:50] <jmcnaught> iKarith: i would use the guided partitioning - lvm with encryption option in the installer
1003[07:44:55] <cr0mag> some of it might help or may not apply
1004[07:45:15] <iKarith> jmcnaught: can guided partitioning handle spinning rust + ssd cache?
1005[07:45:35] <jmcnaught> iKarith: it will set up the volume group for you. you may want to delete and recreate the largest volume a little smaller (the installer defaults to using all available space)
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1007[07:46:00] <cr0mag> jmcnaught said it best it's the easiest way really
1008[07:46:09] <jmcnaught> iKarith: no.. after the installation, add the SSD to the volume group and follow the instructions in lvmcache(7)
1009[07:46:11] <iKarith> I do want to leave a little of the SSD unpartitioned.
1010[07:46:38] <iKarith> Okay, install to the HD and leave the SSD unpartitioned for now, got it.
1011[07:46:56] <iKarith> I wasn't sure that worked the way I'd hope it would.
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1017[07:48:01] <iKarith> thanks jmcnaught, cr0mag. Like I said, I've never done that as I've generally been using Debian on systems where encryption was unwise or unnecessary, and the last time I used lvm2 was ... 2006.
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1022[07:50:26] <jmcnaught> iKarith: there's a pretty decent LVM manual for Redhat that is mostly applicable to Debian, covers the theory stuff pretty well and shows examples of what can be done
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1030[07:52:25] <no_gravity> Good Morning! Any ideas how to debug why my Debian laptop loses wifi connection regularely? It sits right next to the router, so signal is not the problem.
1031[07:53:12] <jmcnaught> no_gravity: you could start by running "journalctl -f" or using "tail -f" on your syslog. Also please don't crosspost.
1032[07:54:51] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: /var/log/syslog?
1033[07:55:23] <jmcnaught> no_gravity: if you don't have journald then sure
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1035[07:56:42] <no_gravity> Ok
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1037[07:57:19] <no_gravity> No idea if I have journald.
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1041[07:58:05] <jmcnaught> it's there by default in Debian 8
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1044[07:58:55] <no_gravity> Which keys do I have to press to experience the magic it provides?
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1049[08:00:23] <iKarith> jmcnaught: I just wasn't sure if I wanted to cache first then encrypt or encrypt first then cache. And I wasn't sure the jessie installer could even set up dm-cache
1050[08:00:28] <jmcnaught> no_gravity: "man journalctl". --since can be handy, and --lines, you can also filter by al sorts of criteria
1051[08:01:27] <iKarith> jmcnaught: either way, this machine is going to be really useful. I've been running builds on an Atom D410. 147 minutes real.
1052[08:01:38] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: Looks like it gives me the same as "cat /var/log/syslog" but in a more complicated way.
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1054[08:02:06] <jmcnaught> iKarith: hmmm... that's a good point. the SSD should be added to the LVM volume group during the install, or you will need to encrypt it separately so that the encrypted volume on the SSD is the physical volume that you add to volume group
1055[08:02:09] <iKarith> jmcnaught: The Debian vmdk on my Core i5 Mac (2012 vintage) can do it in about 90 minutes.
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1059[08:02:44] <iKarith> This is a Core i7-3770. :D
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1061[08:03:25] <jmcnaught> no_gravity: keep reading then? i find it a lot simpler than grepping logs, and you can do things like "journalctl -b -1 /usr/bin/Xorg" to show logs entries from the previous boot that involve that binary
1062[08:03:46] <iKarith> jmcnaught: somewhere I saw a guide for encrypting multiple partitions in such a way that you need only enter one passphrase.
1063[08:04:12] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: Why would I learn all this for one tool, when I already know how to work with log files and can use all of the standard tools on them?
1064[08:04:13] <iKarith> If I need to go back and redo it, I can, though.
1065[08:05:02] <jmcnaught> no_gravity: because it's an improvement, and i brought it up because you were asking how to troubleshoot and had to ask if /var/log/syslog was the file to look at. But it's okay if you don't like learning new things.
1066[08:05:59] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: I love learning new things! New ways how to travel, how to love, how to look at the sky and understand the clouds during the day and the stars during the night!
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1068[08:06:22] <iKarith> jmcnaught: Part of the frustration was that was using a netinstall image which is pretty spartan as installer environments go.
1069[08:06:37] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: But not so much new ways to cat log files.
1070[08:06:55] <jmcnaught> no_gravity: fair enough, but you're missing out
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1072[08:07:51] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: I will wholeheartedly fight any attack on standard ascii logfiles until my last breath. This I swear!
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1074[08:08:45] <larsmw> Hi, I have an interessting issue. Sometimes when I connect my debian 8 laptop to the network at my work it gets the ip right away when i run dhclient, but the dns settings are getting a minute later or so!? Has anyone seen something like this? Is it a dhcp issue on my net or is it an issue with my debian dhcp client?
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1076[08:08:53] <jmcnaught> no_gravity: fortunately both are available on Debian, and the journals are only kept for the current boot in the default config. journalctl is very expressive though, i wouldn't dismiss it so quickly
1077[08:09:25] <no_gravity> jmcnaught: Yeah, it's all good. As long as /var/log/syslog is there.
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1184[09:02:33] <umbaman> guys in Apache2 in Debian8 I want to enable clear URL's... The rewrite module is enabled. What next?
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1187[09:02:57] <Silaban> Hi
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1189[09:03:16] <Silaban> Hi world
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1192[09:04:03] <larsmw> umbaman, then you should make some rewrite rules to map your urls to the site.
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1194[09:04:10] <radeon> first of all I'm deeply disappointed about debian because no graphiccard seems to work properly with it; Radeon not working; NVidia crashes the whole system
1195[09:04:18] <radeon> is there any graphiccard out there which will work with Debian?
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1197[09:04:24] <radeon> I mean work as work without any trouble
1198[09:04:32] <Silaban> Coca-cola card
1199[09:04:38] <umbaman> I am using drupal installations under /var/replaced-url
1200[09:04:48] <radeon> this whole thing is so yesterday... MacOSX doesn't cause any issues at all
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1204[09:05:07] <radeon> and aside of that the nvidia card worked 4 years ago but some wannabe-opensource-developer broke support for it
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1208[09:06:00] <radeon> getting sick of all those stupid Xorg messages ... no screens found for nvidia, segfault on the ATI driver
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1212[09:07:05] <radeon> do ATI graphiccards from 1999 work with Debian?
1213[09:07:09] <n1cky> radeon: obvious troll is obvious
1214[09:07:10] <radeon> I might get one for that testsystem
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1216[09:07:29] <radeon> n1cky: right that still doesn't fix the problem
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1219[09:07:49] <radeon> the debian attitude "if it doesn't work for you" you are a troll :-)
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1222[09:08:32] <radeon> obviously those nvidia and ati chipsets have been sold millions of times and in the we want opensource debian system neither of them is supported at all
1223[09:08:44] <radeon> those nvidia and ati graphiccards are from 2008
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1231[09:10:19] <radeon> debian wiki .. nouveau is working fine .. yaya for who... blind people probably
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1235[09:11:40] <radeon> (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x0
1236[09:11:46] <radeon> wannabe opensource developers....
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1245[09:15:35] <n1cky> radeon: are you using the propreitary drivers?
1246[09:16:21] <radeon> n1cky: first the opensource drivers I'm testing the proprietary ones now
1247[09:16:31] <radeon> the opensource drivers crashed with a null pointer
1248[09:16:46] <radeon> 4 years ago nvidia and ATI worked properly...
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1250[09:17:26] <Drzacek> Hello
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1252[09:19:28] <Drzacek> I have a working OS (debian) installed on CF card - at least it works on all my laptops/PCs). There is one machine on which it doesn't start - grub shows up, it loads initrd, starts some initialization and goes black - the screen turns off. Is there something I could do, to see log from booting on other machine?
1253[09:19:34] <radeon> I'll try getting a graphiccard from 2000 in order to make debian work I think that's probably the best
1254[09:19:42] <radeon> anything newer doesn't seem to be supported anyway
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1258[09:21:01] <n1cky> I've never had a problem with noveau, nvidia propreitary, or intel graphics. Never had an ATI/AMD machine so I can't comment on that.
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1260[09:21:22] <n1cky> you mention OSX, are you on a macbook? I think EFI plays into that.
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1263[09:21:36] <babilen> You probably never had an Optimus setup :)
1264[09:21:48] <Ulrar> Hi, We have a debian 8 that won't boot anymore. Systemd-journald crashes everytime and freez the boot, how safe is it to remove systemd on an existing system (in a chroot, since it doesn't boot) ? Will all the services be enabled again in sysv correctly ?
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1266[09:22:16] <n1cky> babilen: switchable graphics are the plague and should be avoided as such.
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1272[09:23:13] <babilen> n1cky: I totally agree, but those were the kind of setups that cause problems frequently these days. Either way, there is no point in discussing this in general. We either fix a specific problem with a specific card or move on :)
1273[09:23:25] <babilen> s/were/are :(
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1314[09:35:11] <Klaus_D1eter_> hello world
1315[09:35:54] <Klaus_D1eter_> I am hoping to run the java control panel for openjdk to congfigure which domains are allowed to open popups for javaws. unfortunately I cannot find the control panel. where is it?
1316[09:36:09] <LostSoul> Hi
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1318[09:36:36] <LostSoul> Is it normal that after I change history output and I add timestamp - that old commands are showed up with strange time?
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1320[09:37:04] <radeon> argh fucking debian I'll just remove this shit system. what lame developers first they have everything work and after a few years they simply break everything
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1333[09:43:55] <Drzacek> I was trying to read /var/log/syslog to check for issues, why my machine don't boot debian, but it looks that it didn't save anything. I only have logs from previous start on other machine
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1357[09:57:30] <balor> Is `dhcpcd5` the default provider of a dhcp client on Debian?
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1373[10:08:33] <larsmw> umbaman, did you find a solution?
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1378[10:10:27] <umbaman> larsmw: I've got LAMP and drupal
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1380[10:10:59] <umbaman> I tried to edit the /var/replaced-url
1381[10:11:00] <larsmw> super! :) Then check if rewrite module is running : apache2ctl -M
1382[10:11:07] <umbaman> but it didn''t work
1383[10:11:26] <umbaman> rewrite module is runinng
1384[10:11:58] <larsmw> ok, then check "Alloworverride" settings in your apache virtual host configuration
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1386[10:12:49] <umbaman> ok
1387[10:12:51] <umbaman> just a sec
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1389[10:13:45] <umbaman> larsmw: which file is that?
1390[10:14:01] <umbaman> in debian 8 jessie
1391[10:14:44] <larsmw> it should be under : /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/*
1392[10:15:13] <umbaman> ok
1393[10:16:08] <umbaman> I guess it's the 000-default.conf file
1394[10:16:14] <umbaman> anyway I'll start from there
1395[10:16:22] <larsmw> its a good guess
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1398[10:18:05] <KjetilK> If I have an SSD and HDD in a KVM RAID with write-mostly set on the SSD, will I be able to take advantage of the fast bootup time of the SSD?
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1406[10:24:29] <Ulrar> Looks like dbus ins't installed ..
1407[10:24:42] <umbaman> no. It doesn't work but /etc/init.d/apache2 reload is ok
1408[10:24:48] <Ulrar> Don't even understand how that can happen, but not surprising that systemd would fail to boot then
1409[10:24:55] <umbaman> so the conf file is probably correct
1410[10:25:00] <umbaman> let me paste it
1411[10:25:03] <Ulrar> Anyone knows how to fix that ?
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1416[10:28:50] <umbaman> replaced-url
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1423[10:32:15] <Agialsa> can someone help me set up my sound card
1424[10:32:31] <Agialsa> replaced-url
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1428[10:33:53] <Agialsa> onboard sound card replaced-url
1429[10:34:11] <tx> install alsa / pulseaudio
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1432[10:34:43] <tx> you can see it's already attached to the kernel "Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel"
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1434[10:34:53] <tx> you just need something to link applications up to it
1435[10:34:57] <tx> an audio subsystem
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1437[10:35:01] <lumiette> Please help someone, I'm just about ready to set fire to this computer. I'm trying to install graphics drivers for my GTX970 and nothing I do either works or even executes because of dependency failures or whatever. I currently only have my TTYs. It all went to shit after I tried to install butterflow, I didn't expect my driver to be this freaking obscure.
1438[10:35:04] <Agialsa> tx i think i already have
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1440[10:35:11] <tx> run alsamixer in a terminal
1441[10:35:17] <Agialsa> ok wait
1442[10:35:33] <tx> you might need the alsa-utils package to run it
1443[10:35:35] <Agialsa> ok done
1444[10:35:38] <tx> what comes up
1445[10:35:46] <Agialsa> one bar master bar
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1447[10:35:59] <Agialsa> and for all just 2 bars
1448[10:36:05] <tx> press F6
1449[10:36:09] <tx> what is listed
1450[10:36:10] <Agialsa> one capture bar and one master
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1452[10:36:20] <tx> HDA Intel PCH?
1453[10:36:22] <tx> select it
1454[10:36:35] <Agialsa> no there are no selectiosn just default
1455[10:36:40] <tx> ah
1456[10:36:41] <Agialsa> neither
1457[10:37:04] <tx> do you have pulseaudio installed?
1458[10:37:05] <Agialsa> could it be a very new mobo?
1459[10:37:15] <tx> Agialsa: enter "aplay -l"
1460[10:37:20] <tx> list alsa's hardware devices
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1462[10:37:51] <Agialsa> tx GStreamer plugin for PulseAudio
1463[10:37:53] <Agialsa> ?
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1465[10:38:03] <tx> is that the output of aplay -l?
1466[10:38:15] <Agialsa> aplay -l
1467[10:38:15] <Agialsa> aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found...
1468[10:38:19] <tx> ah, right
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1470[10:39:11] <Agialsa> PulseAudio sound server is installed
1471[10:39:45] <tx> install and run pavucontrol
1472[10:40:00] <tx> (gui based utility)
1473[10:40:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> lumiette, maybe "or whatever" is a little bit unspecific? you might want to put some actual command you run and the error you get from it into paste.debian.net
1474[10:40:47] <tx> also which debian release?
1475[10:40:54] <tx> and kernel version (uname -a)
1476[10:41:17] <Agialsa> tx installed no run it from terminal?
1477[10:41:31] <tx> yes
1478[10:41:43] <tx> I suspect it won't come up, what is the output of uname -a?
1479[10:41:51] <Agialsa> uname -a
1480[10:41:51] <Agialsa> Linux athenaPC 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1481[10:41:55] <Agialsa> and
1482[10:42:01] <lumiette> CutMeOwnThroat: I've tried so many things now I don't even remember. apt-get install nvidia-driver/jessie-backports was the most recent one I believe
1483[10:42:01] <Agialsa> its debian jessie
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1485[10:42:21] <Agialsa> run pavu as root?
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1487[10:42:32] <tx> no, normal user
1488[10:42:46] <lumiette> Also, how can I copy and paste anything in a TTY?
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1490[10:43:07] <Agialsa> ok what do you want me to do with the app?
1491[10:43:25] <larsmw> umbaman, what does this page tell you : replaced-url
1492[10:43:26] <tx> go to the last tab
1493[10:43:33] <Agialsa> dummy output
1494[10:43:43] <tx> hmm yeah
1495[10:43:47] <tx> your sound card isn't being picked up at all
1496[10:44:22] <Agialsa> 7.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC887 Audio Codec), ELNA Audio Caps thats what the mobos site says
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1498[10:44:36] <Agialsa> but i think linux supports it?
1499[10:44:47] <lumiette> CutMeOwnThroat: I'm sorry if I sound unmotivated or something like that, it's not that. It's just that I've been trying all morning and literally everything backfires on me. I'm so fed up.
1500[10:44:49] <Agialsa> Realtek ALC887 is not so new or is it
1501[10:44:54] <umbaman> larsmw: The clean URL test failed.
1502[10:44:59] <Agialsa> replaced-url
1503[10:45:02] <Agialsa> replaced-url
1504[10:45:03] <tx> n
1505[10:45:05] <tx> no*
1506[10:45:26] <jelly> tx: yesterday he showed outputs of lspci and lsusb, and the card is in neither. I suspect it's I2S connected but I have no idea how to list those.
1507[10:45:49] <Agialsa> thankyou jelly :)
1508[10:46:08] <tx> he just showed the output of an lcpci -v
1509[10:46:10] <tx> and the card is listed
1510[10:46:22] <Agialsa> i2s is someo kind of special onboard connection?
1511[10:46:24] <jelly> magic!
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1514[10:46:32] <tx> Agialsa: are you sure the card isn'
1515[10:46:38] <tx> er, isn't disabled in the BIOS
1516[10:46:48] <Agialsa> yes i checked
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1518[10:46:55] <Agialsa> BUT i would like to say tthis
1519[10:47:04] <Agialsa> it has two options
1520[10:47:18] <jelly> judd: pciid 8086:a170
1521[10:47:19] <judd> [8086:a170] is 'Sunrise Point-H HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
1522[10:47:24] <tx> what is the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards"
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1524[10:47:39] <lumiette> CutMeOwnThroat: What I found out was that I need nvidia driver version 343.22-1, which should be in experimental. nvidia-detect says I should be using a driver from jessie-backports though. The card is a GTX970, I'm running Jessie and installing nvidia-driver/jessie-backports failed because of 'held packages'. <- I don't know what that means.
1525[10:47:52] <jelly> Agialsa: which two options are those
1526[10:48:03] <tx> enabled and disabled I would wager :p
1527[10:48:15] <Agialsa> for the HD card? it has auto enabled and disabled ... i choose enabled... because i'd like it permanently on ( depends when you install another sound card) when i did that it showed up in lspci
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1529[10:48:41] <tx> is /proc/asound/cards empty
1530[10:48:42] <Agialsa> the second option was something about sound front panel? and t had 2 options HD and ac 97 ...
1531[10:49:13] <Agialsa> cat /proc/asound/cards
1532[10:49:13] <Agialsa> --- no soundcards ---
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1534[10:49:19] <tx> and /asound/modules?
1535[10:49:47] <Agialsa> cat /proc/asound/modules
1536[10:49:47] <Agialsa> athena@athenaPC:~$
1537[10:50:00] <tx> Hmm, alright, run alsa-info
1538[10:50:02] <tx> follow the wizard
1539[10:50:07] <tx> time for you to report your woes :P
1540[10:50:11] <Agialsa> as root?
1541[10:50:16] <tx> anyone
1542[10:50:29] <tx> actually, you might need to as root sorry
1543[10:50:45] <Agialsa> alsa
1544[10:50:45] <Agialsa> alsactl alsaloop alsamixer alsaplayer alsaucm ?
1545[10:50:47] <Agialsa> install >?
1546[10:50:49] <tx> upload it so we can check it out
1547[10:50:54] <tx> alsa-info
1548[10:51:12] <tx> if it doesn't exist, wget replaced-url
1549[10:51:14] <tx> run that
1550[10:51:24] <tx> (in /tmp or somewhere you can put files in)
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1553[10:54:01] <Agialsa> tx Your ALSA information is located at replaced-url
1554[10:54:27] <Agialsa> :)
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1556[10:55:12] <tx> create a new file /etc/modprobe.d/intel.conf
1557[10:55:15] <tx> (root)
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1559[10:55:26] <tx> add the following contents:
1560[10:55:26] <tx> options snd-hda-intel single_cmd=1
1561[10:55:27] <tx> options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1
1562[10:55:30] <tx> and reboot
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1564[10:57:16] <Agialsa> ls
1565[10:57:16] <Agialsa> alsa-base.conf intel.conf amd64-microcode-blacklist.conf intel-microcode-blacklist.conf fbdev-blacklist.conf modesetting.conf
1566[10:57:26] <Agialsa> ok
1567[10:57:28] <Agialsa> reboot?
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1569[10:57:39] <Agialsa> tx, i'll reboot now
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1571[10:58:03] <lumiette> Can someone at least explain to me why installing a graphics driver is such a god-forsaken chore? Surely there's a reason for it being -this- tedious.
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1573[10:58:13] <tx> because nvidia sucks
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1576[10:58:38] <lumiette> As a company, you mean?
1577[10:58:56] <tx> As a participant in FOSS.
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1579[10:59:02] <jelly> lumiette: multiple reasons, mostly vendors being afraid to make decent open source drivers
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1581[10:59:36] <lumiette> Afraid? :o
1582[10:59:38] <lumiette> Curious.
1583[10:59:45] <jelly> uninterested
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1586[11:00:21] <jelly> but also debian's choice of using free software only, and not making it too easy to support non-free drivers
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1590[11:00:41] <Agialsa> tx, ? i don;'t think i have sound yet?
1591[11:00:43] <lumiette> Ah, right right. Thing is, I much prefer linux over windows in most things, just, this is really puttint me off every time. It's not the first time, this happened on most installations (and I had an AMD card before)
1592[11:01:16] <tx> do another alsa-info
1593[11:01:17] <jelly> lumiette: it's much easier if you buy hardware that's known to work well with linux and has open source drivers
1594[11:01:28] <Rubas> Hello, is it possible for me to uninstall everything (gdm and etc) from a already installed debian machine - going down to a minimalistic installation?
1595[11:01:41] <tx> lumiette: it's actually very easy to get graphics working on linux
1596[11:01:46] <tx> you just need to use the foss drivers
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1598[11:01:54] <tx> it's not our fault nvidia has an awful installer
1599[11:02:00] <tx> with a convoluted xorg config system
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1602[11:02:13] <jelly> Rubas: sure, but there will be some cruft files, leftovers here and there
1603[11:02:15] <tx> but you can avoid the nvidia drivers all together
1604[11:02:30] <tx> provided you don't want to do anything high performance :p
1605[11:02:35] <Rubas> jelly: thank you
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1608[11:02:58] <tx> Or you can do what I do and just pass through my graphics card to a Windows VM for gaming and use a crappy card for linux. :)
1609[11:03:07] <Agialsa> tx, i have to leave i'll be back in 40 mins PLEASE leave me a message in what to do in a private message ok ?
1610[11:03:11] <lumiette> The nouveau drivers? I don't mind running FOSS obv, but iirc they did give me trouble in the past. I don't care right now though, I just want any kind of graphics to happen.
1611[11:03:13] <jelly> most cases one does not have to use nvidia's installer but debian's packaging of those drivers
1612[11:03:20] <tx> No promises, I need to leave the office soon. :P
1613[11:03:24] <Agialsa> ok
1614[11:03:33] <Agialsa> no problem you've done enough
1615[11:03:42] <jelly> lumiette: which debian release and which graphic card?
1616[11:03:42] <Agialsa> just need to tackle this
1617[11:03:48] <tx> you want any kind of graphics?
1618[11:03:52] <Agialsa> tx no other suggestions?
1619[11:03:52] <tx> then use noveau then lol
1620[11:03:54] <lumiette> jelly: GTX970 on Jessie
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1622[11:04:02] <tx> Agialsa: check your dmesg output
1623[11:04:07] <tx> it seems to be related to an initialization problem
1624[11:04:16] <jelly> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
1625[11:04:17] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-10; sid/non-free: 361.45.18-2; experimental/non-free: 367.44-1
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1627[11:04:45] <Agialsa> tx, what do i have to grep?
1628[11:04:54] <jelly> lumiette: I suspect you'll have to go with 352 for that. Let's see
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1630[11:04:58] <jelly> ,v nvidia-detect
1631[11:04:59] <judd> Package: nvidia-detect on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-10; sid/non-free: 361.45.18-2; experimental/non-free: 367.44-1
1632[11:05:17] <jelly> lumiette: first, enable jessie-backports, and enable non-free repos
1633[11:05:24] <jelly> dpkg, tell lumiette about jessie-backports
1634[11:05:26] <tx> Agialsa: snd and intel?
1635[11:05:28] <tx> something like that
1636[11:05:30] <jelly> dpkg, tell lumiette about non-free sources
1637[11:05:33] <tx> make sure you do a -A5 -B5 after it
1638[11:05:36] <Agialsa> tx replaced-url
1639[11:05:38] <tx> want to pick up the lines before and after
1640[11:05:54] <jelly> lumiette: then "apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-detect" and run it
1641[11:05:59] <tx> got it
1642[11:06:31] <Agialsa> tx replaced-url
1643[11:06:56] <Agialsa> ok please leave a PM what to do next
1644[11:07:17] <lumiette> Alright, that's done. It still recommends the nvidia-driver/jessie-backports package.
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1656[11:10:58] <Agialsa> jelly, replaced-url
1657[11:11:04] <Agialsa> thank you
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1665[11:12:54] <Minnebo> Hello
1666[11:13:18] <lumiette> jelly: Not to be a nag or anything, but in case you missed it, it still recommends the nvidia-driver/jessie-backports package.
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1668[11:13:39] <Minnebo> I installed jessie, and pi.hole but the static IP is not working :(.. when I check /etc/dhcpcd.conf it is what it should be, but ifconfig gives me another
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1673[11:15:57] <Flashtek> Minnebo: is the 'client' a dhcp client ?
1674[11:16:25] <jelly> lumiette: okay. then install linux-headers-$(uname -r), and apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms, after that
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1676[11:16:29] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
1677[11:16:33] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
1678[11:16:34] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
1679[11:16:55] <ychaouche> lsof -i :143 shows both my imap server and systemd, should I kill systemd ? replaced-url
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1682[11:17:08] <jelly> lumiette: if that succeeds, do the rest of the recipe: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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1686[11:19:42] <lumiette> jelly: Thanks so much for helping me out. It's installing now.
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1689[11:20:40] <Minnebo> Flashtek, i fixed it with /etc/network/interfaces
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1695[11:22:30] <lumiette> jelly, sir! You're my personal hero! <3
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1698[11:22:57] <jelly> lumiette: I assume this means it worked?
1699[11:23:08] <lumiette> Yes! I have XFCE now :D
1700[11:23:58] <jelly> lumiette: i was imprecise, also apt-get nstall linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` ... to avoid problems in the future when kernel package changes the name
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1703[11:25:02] <lumiette> I see~ Hm~ I think I need some more experience installing systems before that sort of line becomes natural to me.
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1720[11:30:54] <jelly> it's not natural, it's written carefully to avoid instructing people to "if your `uname -r` output ends in amd64 install linux-image-amd64
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1723[11:31:34] <jelly> "... but if it ends with -686-pae then you have to install linux-blah-686-pae"
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1725[11:32:30] <lumiette> Ah, right, I see! Yeah, mine ends in amd64
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1728[11:33:40] <lumiette> Uph, I'm so relieved though. You've really helped me out :)
1729[11:33:50] <lumiette> In the future (just a moment, I'm gonna switch clients)
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1732[11:34:06] <jelly> (you can compare the output of "uname -r" and that " uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' " thing
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1737[11:36:46] <High_Priest> hi guys, how can I reset my complete X configuration together with correct modules?
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1740[11:37:13] <High_Priest> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing
1741[11:37:15] <lumiette> There we go, this is a lot easier. irssi only updates half of the screen half of the time in TTY for me
1742[11:37:56] <Iridos> i have a tooltip from firefox (or possibly chrome) that doesn't close in lxde/openbox. I already killed/restarted both firefox and chromium and restarted openbox, but it's still there. xwininfo shows a window id for it, but wmctrl -l doesn't list that window id. xkill doesn't remove it seither. Is there anything else to get rid of it? it's on all desktops
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1745[11:38:23] <lumiette> So yeah, in the future, should I haphazardly override my graphics configuration, these are the steps I should take? install linux headers, then install the nvidia dkms package? Or is there also a way to revert changes I've made?
1746[11:38:47] <Iridos> oh, just realized it's not from a browser
1747[11:39:09] <Iridos> yay
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1752[11:39:46] <Iridos> I still wonder how I should have realized that without having a lucky guess
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1754[11:39:58] <netzach> Hello
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1756[11:40:22] <netzach> is it possible to use a default configuration when installing packages? I don't want to be asked any interactive questions, so it can be automatic
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1759[11:41:20] <netzach> I have this in a conf file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d:
1760[11:41:21] <netzach> DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";};
1761[11:41:22] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, netzach
1762[11:41:25] <netzach> is this the issue?
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1766[11:42:37] <netzach> Is there more documentation for UnattendedUpgrades than the one on the debian wiki?
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1769[11:45:02] <tx> ubuntu probably has stuff on it
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1773[11:49:43] <lumiette> Well, I'm gonna go enjoy my setup again. Stay safe everyone :)
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1785[11:59:43] <patterson> replaced-url
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1788[12:00:31] <netzach> I have found more information on the debian-handbook.info and some other info in the README of unattendedupgrades than the wiki @ patterson
1789[12:01:43] <patterson> Out of curiosity, what isn't working
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1791[12:01:55] <hrob> hi
1792[12:02:25] <hrob> does debian store or log file system statistics somewhere, after reboot
1793[12:03:02] <hrob> I have a machine that goes into crazy io load every few weeks
1794[12:03:21] <hrob> and I would like to see what could be causing it, unfortunately after reboot
1795[12:03:28] <hrob> forced shutdown
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1809[12:14:36] <jak2000> for install updatedb command wich command need to be installed?
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1811[12:15:11] <themill> jak2000: mlocate
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1814[12:16:46] <jak2000> thx
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1817[12:17:42] <jak2000> how to know version of debian and if jessie or Wheezy?
1818[12:18:15] <colo-work> cat /etc/debian_version
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1822[12:18:35] <MoonTiger> hi guys
1823[12:18:39] <themill> jak2000: there's no definitive way because you could/can do anything you like to make strange mixes
1824[12:18:57] <MoonTiger> the update yesterday seems to have badly affected my wifi connection
1825[12:19:23] <MoonTiger> i couldn't find any bug reports on a casual search but i figured it was a bit early for them to be indexed yet
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1829[12:19:44] <MoonTiger> does anybody have any info?
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1831[12:20:21] <MoonTiger> or more correctly... has anybody else experienced this or heard of it happening?
1832[12:20:23] <MoonTiger> thanks
1833[12:20:45] <jak2000> themill mm thanks
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1835[12:21:32] <gerforce> MoonTiger: what kind of problem with your wifi?
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1837[12:22:13] <MoonTiger> gerforce, it will freeze trying to connect to anything - seems like no traffic is happening
1838[12:22:15] <jak2000> the correct way for change hostname iss only modify the file: /etc/hostname ? or to /etc/hosts ?
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1840[12:22:33] <MoonTiger> jak2000, both
1841[12:23:26] <gerforce> MoonTiger: didn't encounter that after updates
1842[12:23:43] <MoonTiger> my thinkpad doesn't either sitting right next to this one
1843[12:23:54] <Iridos> hrob, only if you run it… collectl, collectd … you could just run iotop and send the output via net somewhere
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1848[12:24:17] <gerforce> MoonTiger: my thinkpad too, :)
1849[12:24:26] <miesco> Hi. How do I search wikipedia in terminal?
1850[12:24:27] <MoonTiger> gerforce, also if i reboot back into win10 (sigh) it works as it alwats has
1851[12:24:40] <MoonTiger> gerforce, gotta love 'em
1852[12:25:25] <MoonTiger> ok well maybe it'll get fixed in a while - just kinda annoying
1853[12:25:46] <MoonTiger> thnx guys laterz
1854[12:25:48] <MoonTiger> :)
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1857[12:26:28] <gerforce> MoonTiger: i have encoutered a problem about wifi on my thinkpad. The situation is : when i first connected to a wireless router, it works fine with speed 150M/s, But after a few minutes, the speed changed to 15M/s
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1859[12:26:49] <themill> miesco: there re plenty of text-mode browsers like links2
1860[12:26:59] <gerforce> and i couldn't use it until i reconnected. But it works just fine with my win7 install
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1864[12:27:28] <miesco> themill: No, it needs to be scriptable
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1866[12:28:11] <themill> miesco: what are you really trying to do? What are the actual requirements?
1867[12:28:13] <ws2k3> i just runned dist-upgrade to upgrade from wheezy to jessie. the upgrade went fine no error. then it rebooted and now it shows no bootable device in my bios. what could this be? i already tryed grub-install on my root partition without any result
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1869[12:29:21] <miesco> themill: Well its wikionary actually
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1871[12:29:44] <miesco> themill: It needs to be from command line, as in a command from the terminal has to output the results
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1874[12:31:10] <jak2000> how to add more time when i execute sudo command? a(ask me the password) but i want add 20 minutes more) to next question
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1876[12:31:57] <themill> miesco: there are APIs in lots of languages for wikimedia. You're probably writing something in your favourite language.
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1882[12:38:27] <gerforce> jak2000: using command " man sudoers " and find the option 'timestamp_timeout'
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1886[12:39:06] <P3N1S-FUK> Hello
1887[12:39:13] <P3N1S-FUK> Fuck my penis
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1889[12:39:18] <P3N1S-FUK> Fuck it good
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1891[12:39:21] <P3N1S-FUK> Fuck it hard
1892[12:39:29] <jak2000> gerforce thanks
1893[12:39:30] <P3N1S-FUK> Fuck it like your mom does
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1898[12:40:02] <gerforce> jak2000: You are welcome :D
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1904[12:43:57] <jak2000> geforce readed and understand default 15 mins? or 2.5? how to change in wich file?
1905[12:44:00] <jak2000> visudo?
1906[12:44:49] <jak2000> at the end: timestamp_timeout=20 ?
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1927[12:51:38] <tdn> Which CMS should I choose that is well maintained in debian and receive security updates in a timely manner? Wordpress, drupal, jekyll, something else?
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1933[12:55:00] <tdn> Or should I forget about that and just go download the latest wordpress, drupal, jekyll, whatever and then use that outside of debian packages.
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1938[12:56:19] <ws2k3> i just runned dist-upgrade to upgrade from wheezy to jessie. the upgrade went fine no error. then it rebooted and now it shows no bootable device in my bios. what could this be? i already tryed grub-install on my root partition without any result
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1945[13:01:32] <colo-work> ws2k3, that means the machine's BIOS/firmware doesn't find a device with a valid, working MBR or EFI config. how does your system boot - via EFI?
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1949[13:04:16] <ws2k3> colo-work its a xenserver vm i think thats a regular bios(no EFI)
1950[13:05:00] <jak2000> a valid hostname can be: mydomain.com.th ?
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1952[13:05:08] <jak2000> a valid hostname can be: mydomain.com.th ? in /etc/hostname ?
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1959[13:06:14] <colo-work> ws2k3, well, for starters, you need to fix your bootloader. if you have a livecd around, boot that, and check if your harddisks have `file -s /dev/yourdisk` return something like "/dev/sda: DOS/MBR boot sector"
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1978[13:16:19] <hiya> aptitude upgrade is so slow
1979[13:16:25] <hiya> what could be the reason?
1980[13:16:47] <hiya> I am even using the httpredir version
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1982[13:17:04] <dcpc007> hi, is it new to have a logrotate on wtmp monthly without minsize ? currently we loose near all history too soon (and wtmp not huge)
1983[13:17:31] <dcpc007> i don"t remember that we had this short time rotation
1984[13:17:36] <jelly> dcpc007: afair that existed since debian 5 or 6
1985[13:17:45] <dcpc007> wow ...
1986[13:17:57] <jelly> annoying, innit
1987[13:18:10] <dcpc007> ok maybe had used this query only on suse or centos
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1989[13:18:27] <dcpc007> i checked centos 6, it's near the same config, but with a minzie = 1M
1990[13:18:38] <Iridos> any idea how to read out the final /proc/pid/something when a process exits? The process itself doesn't cooperate for that
1991[13:18:51] <dcpc007> => on standard server we keep a long history, and on high connection servers we keep size ok
1992[13:18:55] <Iridos> and it should be efficient, so no polling every second or so
1993[13:18:56] <jelly> dcpc007: you can file a Severity: wishlist bug
1994[13:19:16] <DanawarUK> Hi debian i cannot install build tools :( - replaced-url
1995[13:19:19] <dcpc007> yes :) logrotate have so many cool options :)
1996[13:19:45] <jelly> that minsize=1M thing makes a whole lot of sense
1997[13:19:47] <dcpc007> i love it (and want to bite all those dev that never manage their logs !!! --> target tomcat dev mainly :) )
1998[13:19:50] <jak2000> a valid hostname can be: mydomain.com.th ? in /etc/hostname ?
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2000[13:20:22] <dcpc007> jelly: do you think they could patch debian7 with this whishlist ?
2001[13:20:38] <jelly> jak2000: no, put the short name in /etc/hostname, and put the ip, full name and short name in an /etc/hosts entry
2002[13:20:51] <jak2000> jelly ok thanks
2003[13:21:09] <jelly> dcpc007: 7 is oldstable so that will never happen. If the maintainer agrees, you'll get the fix in 9.
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2005[13:21:48] <Agialsa> jelly, would you take a look at replaced-url
2006[13:21:53] <dcpc007> ha ok lol, here not finished to migrate all old servers to debian 7 ... i start to talk on debian 8 but so many things to test that i'll don't have any answer soon :)
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2008[13:22:25] <jelly> dpkg, tell DanawarUK about basic apt troubleshooting
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2010[13:22:32] <dcpc007> and i'll have to learn the new systemd and maybe other admin things (and near alone)
2011[13:22:35] <jelly> DanawarUK: which debian release are you supposed to be running?
2012[13:23:06] <jelly> DanawarUK: follow the instructions dpkg bot gave you in a private message, and give us all the requested info
2013[13:23:41] <jelly> dcpc007: you can get away with using old sysvinit for debian 8 if you really need to
2014[13:24:22] <dcpc007> that's not that i "need", but working alone with many tasks = not really the time to follow linux evolutions ...
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2016[13:24:46] <dcpc007> systemd is a big one, but other too (like go from tomcat 7 to 8 or mysql to mariadb)
2017[13:24:52] <DanawarUK> jelly: replaced-url
2018[13:25:35] <dcpc007> tools change a lot, like checkrestart avec updates, need to verify all dmin tool we use like logcheck, watchdog,...
2019[13:25:49] <DanawarUK> jelly: replaced-url
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2022[13:26:18] <dcpc007> upgrade process in debian is not so complicated onstandard servers, but daily use, and monitoring/check/analyze is more heavy some times
2023[13:26:42] <dcpc007> (and i should have a deploy tool, likeopsi, puppet or other)
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2025[13:26:49] <dcpc007> but time ...
2026[13:26:54] <DanawarUK> jelly: replaced-url
2027[13:27:00] <Agialsa> is there any other channel i can join to tackle me sound card problem?
2028[13:27:01] <DanawarUK> jelly: That should be everything
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2032[13:27:56] <jelly> DanawarUK: not really, apt-cache policy build-essential libc6-dev libc-dev g++
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2036[13:28:33] <Iridos> judd, versions g++
2037[13:28:34] <judd> Package: g++ on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.1.1-1; stretch: 4:6.1.1-1
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2040[13:29:11] <DanawarUK> jelly: replaced-url
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2048[13:30:52] <Clorith> I'm a bit lost as to what I should be googling for here, I noticed that when doing 'ls -lha' the user and group names showing up are incorrect, if I chown the files, the corresponding name and/or group still displays the wrong label (but the ownership is correct).
2049[13:31:01] <Clorith> This appears to have happened after upgrading to Jessie over the weekend
2050[13:31:21] <jelly> DanawarUK: hm, what does "apt-get install build-essential g++" say?
2051[13:31:24] <Agiofws> does anyone here have the above motherboard? installed with debian replaced-url
2052[13:31:49] <jelly> DanawarUK: also, "apt-cache policy base-files dpkg libc6 apt"
2053[13:31:50] <DanawarUK> jelly: One moment i am just updating my sources then i will give it a try!
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2055[13:32:25] <DanawarUK> jelly: This will be the new sources: replaced-url
2056[13:33:09] <DanawarUK> jelly: Updating my sources and doing an upgrade fixed the issue thanks for your time and help
2057[13:33:20] <stardancer> Agiofws, may i ask the purpose of your question?
2058[13:33:28] <stardancer> why does a specific mobo matter to the OS?
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2062[13:34:37] <Agiofws> stardancer, i can't get the sound card to work ...
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2064[13:34:46] <stardancer> Agiofws, hah
2065[13:34:52] <Agiofws> stardancer, would you take a look at replaced-url
2066[13:35:18] <frzr> Is running mutt in xterm a bad idea?
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2068[13:35:47] <stardancer> Agiofws, and?
2069[13:36:06] <frzr> heard somewhere that there may be lacking of input sanitazion, and you would be able to run rm -rf ~ :)
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2073[13:37:36] <stardancer> Agiofws, did you see line 108?
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2075[13:37:59] <jelly> frzr: where else would you run it?
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2077[13:38:31] <frzr> just realized that that would have nothing to do with the term, the vulnerability would have to be in mutt :P gotta talk before you speak
2078[13:38:39] <frzr> s/talk/think/g
2079[13:38:41] <frzr> :)
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2082[13:39:28] <stardancer> frzr, i dont really get why an email client would be deleting your files
2083[13:39:54] <Agiofws> stardancer, and take a look at Your ALSA information is located at replaced-url
2084[13:40:07] <stardancer> Agiofws, pardon me, but do you have a point?
2085[13:40:24] <frzr> well stardancer depends on how the code for the reading of the emails is made
2086[13:40:36] <Agiofws> i'm trying to make my sound card to work
2087[13:40:54] <Agiofws> i also added options in alsabase.conf
2088[13:40:56] <stardancer> what does that have to do with you sending me on wild goose chases?
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2090[13:41:02] <Agiofws> ok
2091[13:41:05] <Agiofws> sorry man
2092[13:41:15] <stardancer> i asked if you had noticed the line that said "no codecs"
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2094[13:41:29] <frzr> wat
2095[13:41:38] <stardancer> if your mobo uses the same onboard intel sound as every other, why would it be the mobo's fault?
2096[13:41:51] <stardancer> clue, it's not
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2098[13:42:03] <dcpc007> erf can't connect to BTS with reportbug :-(
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2101[13:42:21] <Agiofws> i'm not saying its the mobos fault
2102[13:42:24] <Agiofws> anyway
2103[13:42:24] <stardancer> the Intel 915 is supported pretty much universally
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2107[13:42:33] <stardancer> ok, so ... what does it have to do with your mobo?
2108[13:42:43] <stardancer> why did you point the finger there
2109[13:42:46] <Agiofws> i also added options snd-hda-intel single_cmd=1
2110[13:42:46] <Agiofws> options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1 in intel.comf
2111[13:43:12] <Iridos> frzr, wouldn't that be the case for any email client?
2112[13:43:19] <stardancer> are you even sure you have the right drivers?
2113[13:44:09] <stardancer> frzr, like any program, i guess, period ... if you have discovered a vulnerability in mutt, please do tell someone
2114[13:44:12] <Agiofws> well i have a new kernel that has the right firmware for i915 GFX card so i assume its right for the sound card
2115[13:44:13] <frzr> Iridos: yea it would, i guess my friend who said that i should be careful running it in xterm didnt know what he was talking about
2116[13:44:23] <stardancer> your friend is dum
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2118[13:44:39] <stardancer> poeple have been running mutt in xterm for 20 years
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2120[13:44:55] <frzr> yeah, and so am i for not thinking a second about it
2121[13:44:57] <frzr> :)
2122[13:45:22] <stardancer> i, however, use pine/alpine
2123[13:45:28] <stardancer> i never really grew out of using pico/nano
2124[13:45:34] * frzr puts on the stupidcone
2125[13:45:34] <stardancer> :(
2126[13:45:44] <stardancer> just call it a brainfart
2127[13:46:03] <frzr> force urself to use vim a month
2128[13:46:09] <frzr> its worth it
2129[13:46:50] <stardancer> i do, when some program requires it
2130[13:46:52] <stardancer> like visudo
2131[13:47:01] <frzr> or well, depends on how much you handle text, if you're a programmer or sysadmin who writes alot of scripts its amazing.
2132[13:47:13] <stardancer> and, personally, i dont see how or why using something that is more complicated and unintuitive is in fact better
2133[13:47:25] <stardancer> poeple crow on about memorizing shortcuts, but why. why. why.
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2135[13:47:35] <Iridos> frzr, programs can send ansi escape sequences to an xterm or other virtual terminal… but… *shrug*
2136[13:47:44] <stardancer> like is there something less awesome about using a control key
2137[13:48:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1760
2138[13:48:09] <stardancer> those vi/vim combinations look ... insane
2139[13:48:19] <stardancer> honestly, how does that make a better editor, you tell me
2140[13:48:29] <frzr> no the thing is they are not insane
2141[13:48:32] <stardancer> if so, then wordperfect is the best ever word processor
2142[13:48:32] <frzr> they are very logical
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2144[13:48:39] <frzr> and sooo handy
2145[13:48:46] <stardancer> how is it easier than ctrl+x to quit
2146[13:48:49] <stardancer> like by zeus
2147[13:48:50] <frzr> diw < delete in word
2148[13:48:56] <stardancer> ctrl+x, what you would expect
2149[13:49:02] <stardancer> instead of, what :qq
2150[13:49:04] <stardancer> the fuck?
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2152[13:49:11] <frzr> d2j < delete 2 lines down
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2154[13:49:15] <stardancer> why would i do that?
2155[13:49:23] <Iridos> stardancer, you don't really need more than 5-10 commands in vi to edit… and the way you can do whole-text substitutions using regex is pretty powerful, so are a couple of other things
2156[13:49:34] <stardancer> ill open something in a GUI editor if i have to write a novel
2157[13:49:39] <ws2k3> colo-work the file command is not found in the rescue disk
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2159[13:49:43] <stardancer> "powerful" my ass
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2161[13:49:52] <stardancer> powerful is opening a gui editor and using a mouse
2162[13:49:55] <stardancer> and taking 1/10the the time
2163[13:49:56] <Iridos> stardancer, then don't use it and stop bitching
2164[13:49:58] <frzr> so open gvim :)
2165[13:49:59] <stardancer> i dont :)
2166[13:50:07] <Iridos> you *are* bitching
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2168[13:50:15] <stardancer> shaddap
2169[13:50:23] <stardancer> im disagreeing with the fellow
2170[13:50:24] <stardancer> stay out of it
2171[13:50:43] <frzr> but yeah its a steep learning curve
2172[13:50:53] <Iridos> it's actually not
2173[13:50:53] <stardancer> one that ive been avoiding for 20 years
2174[13:50:58] <stardancer> i dont plan on starting tomorrow
2175[13:51:03] <stardancer> dont get me started about emacs either
2176[13:51:16] <frzr> but if you want a very good tool to work with id suggest learning it
2177[13:51:16] <Iridos> learning the 5-10 commands that you really *need* should be possible for most >5-year-olds
2178[13:51:21] <stardancer> i dont need to waste even a few hours of the insane headaches that come with learning that pile of bricks
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2180[13:51:26] <stardancer> why?
2181[13:51:31] <stardancer> so i can be an all-star text editing machine?
2182[13:51:37] <stardancer> this is 2016
2183[13:51:50] <stardancer> i dont nede to master 35-year old text editors
2184[13:52:11] <stardancer> i could learn COBOL faster than emacs and vi
2185[13:52:23] <Iridos> maybe you should come back after learning cobol
2186[13:52:33] <frzr> if you're a programmer and strive to be efficient in those types of enviroments where vim shines why wouldnt u want to learn it
2187[13:52:38] <stardancer> id be in #cobol, wouldnt i?
2188[13:52:52] <stardancer> beause it's a major headache and ive never, ever needed to
2189[13:52:57] <stardancer> i can muddle through it like anyone else
2190[13:53:05] <frzr> well
2191[13:53:08] <stardancer> i will use nano when the option is presented
2192[13:53:12] * abrotman wonders which channel he's in ...
2193[13:53:13] <stardancer> ill use vim when im forced to
2194[13:53:23] <stardancer> isnt this debate about as old as the editors?
2195[13:53:26] <frzr> when you have to do some more intense text editing in terminal, good luck with nano :)
2196[13:53:33] <stardancer> why would i?
2197[13:53:44] <abrotman> stardancer: Do you need help with Debian?
2198[13:53:50] <stardancer> i didnt bring this up
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2200[13:54:21] <stardancer> screw you for pointing fingers at me, then
2201[13:54:25] <dcpc007> grr i installed reportbug-ng on a server, i do a ssh -X user@server from my station and got a "reportbug-ng: cannot connect to X server"
2202[13:54:27] <stardancer> as if im the only one talking
2203[13:54:30] <jelly> !offtopic
2204[13:54:30] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
2205[13:54:36] <frzr> yea i guess it is :) i just like it , fine if you dont like it just trying to realize how sweet it is , imagine jumping in a file quickly and just moving blocks around thats a fucking haazzle in nano, so easy in vim :)
2206[13:54:37] <dcpc007> i hate GUI and X application and management
2207[13:54:38] <abrotman> stardancer: you can end it just as easily, stop responding, it's easy. Thank you
2208[13:54:49] <stardancer> frzr, shhh, quite, there are bitches bitching.
2209[13:54:51] <stardancer> quiet
2210[13:54:56] <abrotman> "To each their own"
2211[13:54:59] <stardancer> abrotman, dont thank me.
2212[13:55:03] <frzr> yeah sorry, ill stop :)
2213[13:55:04] <stardancer> youre not welcome.
2214[13:55:19] <abrotman> Yeah, I think I accurately pointed the finger.
2215[13:55:24] <stardancer> bloody kindergarten teacher
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2217[13:55:30] <frzr> Let's make editing great again, 2k16!
2218[13:55:30] *** jelly sets mode: +q *!*@unaffiliated/stardancer
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2220[13:55:40] <jelly> stardancer: 10 minutes in the corner!
2221[13:55:54] <abrotman> Aw ..
2222[13:56:04] <Iridos> does he get a hat?
2223[13:56:13] <seeS> I think he didn't realise who the real teacher was there
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2225[13:56:22] <frzr> he could take my stupid-cone for a while
2226[13:56:31] <abrotman> frzr: Please drop it, thank you
2227[13:56:37] <frzr> :)
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2233[13:57:41] <Iridos> stardancer, frzr, you can continue for the next hour on that topic on #debian-offtopic, though
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2236[13:58:19] <frzr> i'm fine thanks :)
2237[13:58:22] <jelly> dcpc007: the remote server may have X11Forwarding disabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
2238[13:58:52] <jelly> dcpc007: if it's enabled, make sure "xauth" is installed there as well
2239[13:58:56] <dcpc007> ha i check
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2241[13:59:23] <dcpc007> X11Forwarding yes /// X11DisplayOffset 10
2242[13:59:52] <dcpc007> wauth on the server or my computer ?
2243[14:00:26] <jelly> the remote machine
2244[14:00:47] <jelly> you already have it on the client if you're running debian with X
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2246[14:01:51] <Agiofws> tx, Audio: Card Intel Device a170 driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1f.3 Sound: ALSA v: k4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 ?
2247[14:02:16] <dcpc007> ha no should not be installed on this server
2248[14:02:28] <dcpc007> admin servern with limited need, i check
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2251[14:03:36] <dcpc007> yes perfect :)
2252[14:03:51] <dcpc007> now will try again the reportbug behind proxy
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2269[14:14:10] <Agiofws> jelly, you think i should update my bios?
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2279[14:16:11] <lantern> does anybody happen to know what the debian package is for the perl module "version"?
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2281[14:17:31] <TomTomTo1> lantern: possibly libperl-version-perl
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2284[14:18:01] <Iridos> lantern, … and you find that with e.g. apt-cache search perl version --names-only
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2287[14:18:56] <blug> is there any decent free e-mail provider nowadays that is not part of the giants?
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2290[14:21:18] <lantern> TomTomTo1: Iridos: i tried that. i'm trying to get 'a2enmod version' to work. none of the pkgs i've installed so far seem to give me that
2291[14:21:44] * jelly not sure what does perl module have to do with apache module
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2293[14:22:49] <Iridos> jelly, the magic of the homonyms?
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2296[14:23:03] <abrotman> nope, I don't get it ..
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2300[14:23:31] <jelly> lantern: what is the apache module named "version" supposed to do?
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2303[14:24:20] <jelly> !goal
2304[14:24:20] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
2305[14:24:20] <lantern> replaced-url
2306[14:24:43] <lantern> sorry, that's `a2enmod version`
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2308[14:24:49] <jelly> ,v otrs
2309[14:24:50] <judd> Package: otrs on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 3.1.7+dfsg1-8+deb7u5; wheezy: 3.1.7+dfsg1-8+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 3.3.9-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.3.9-3; jessie-backports: 5.0.10-1~bpo8+1; sid: 5.0.12-1; stretch: 5.0.12-1
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2312[14:25:12] <jelly> lantern: maybe, just maybe consider using the ready-made debian package for otrs?
2313[14:25:16] <jelly> dunno
2314[14:25:19] <lantern> i realize there's a package, but the otrs website explicitly advises against using the pkg
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2317[14:25:49] <jelly> lantern: how does "a2enmod perl" fail?
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2319[14:26:04] <jelly> maybe mod_perl is not installed at all?
2320[14:26:06] <lantern> # a2enmod version
2321[14:26:09] <lantern> ERROR: Module version does not exist!
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2323[14:26:24] <jelly> lantern: does your manual say "a2enmod version" anywhere?
2324[14:26:28] <lantern> a2enmod version. not a2enmod perl. i mixed that up
2325[14:26:39] <lantern> yes, it says a2enmod version
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2328[14:26:52] <Drzacek> I'm going to install debian on my laptop now. Is there a way I can change repositories during install so it installs debian testing directly, or do I have to install jessie and then do upgrade?
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2330[14:27:20] <abrotman> lantern: did you do this part: apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-perl2 ?
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2332[14:27:47] <missmbob> Drzacek: you should use jessie than upgrade. i tested alpha 7 stretch installer last night...crashed and burned pretty badly on my machine
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2334[14:28:08] <jelly> judd: file mod_version.so
2335[14:28:11] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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2337[14:28:33] <jelly> lantern: there's no apache module called "version" in debian 8
2338[14:28:36] <lantern> abrotman: yes
2339[14:28:48] <jelly> so that will never work
2340[14:28:50] * abrotman wonders if anyone on the OTRS project has tried those instructions ...
2341[14:29:02] <Drzacek> missmbob, I'm using testing for some time on other machines without problems. Only problem I had was broken KDE, but I somehow resolved that problem
2342[14:29:03] <ransur0t> Drzacek: I did the Jessie --> Stretch method on laptop and it worked great.
2343[14:29:21] <lantern> abrotman: wondering that, too
2344[14:29:22] <jelly> lantern: now we could punt you back to #otrs but maybe try skipping that step
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2348[14:30:00] <Drzacek> ransur0t, I'm sure it worked, but I thought since it will have to do upgrade anyway, why not save time and get stretch instead of jess
2349[14:30:01] <jelly> judd: file mod_version.so --release wheezy
2350[14:30:04] <judd> No packages in wheezy/amd64 were found with that file.
2351[14:30:07] <jelly> nope
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2353[14:30:31] <missmbob> Drzacek: last night it wouldnt boot after install. tried to reinstall and once in the installer it said it couldn't find the usb drive anymore to install from. alpha is..well, alpha
2354[14:31:36] <abrotman> lantern: which version of Debian is this? Jessie?
2355[14:31:39] <Drzacek> missmbob, maybe it's the installer
2356[14:31:40] <jelly> lantern: if, however, you run "apache2ctl -l" on a jessie system, you'll notice mod_version is built in, no reason to a2enmod it
2357[14:31:57] <missmbob> Drzacek: sure it is. thought that's what we were talking about?
2358[14:32:47] <missmbob> Drzacek: if you want to go straight to stretch that's how you do it. otherwise install jessie and upgrade (which is what you should do)
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2361[14:32:59] <Drzacek> well, to the jessie-install then!
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2365[14:33:43] <lantern> abrotman: jelly: ok let me try skipping it for now
2366[14:33:56] <jelly> lantern: mod_version has been built in since debian 7, released 2013, so those docs are somewhat out of date
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2369[14:34:52] <jelly> lantern: upstream's recommendation against debian packaging may be similarly outdated
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2371[14:35:04] <jelly> ymmv.
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2398[14:46:46] <choice> Hello! I am in LibreOffice and say "print" and then nothing happens. No print symbol appears in the desktop panel or anything. What is going on?
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2404[14:49:22] <choice> When I try to print from some other program like the text editor, a printer symbol appears but when I open it, it says "pending" forever.
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2408[14:51:05] <choice> Internet says turning the printer off and on again could help. Trying that...
2409[14:51:06] <choice> It worked o.O
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2413[14:52:09] <hiya> jelly, httpdir is too slow for me in repo
2414[14:52:10] <hiya> what to do?
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2418[14:54:06] <Lal> Hey all, I've been trying to do debian packaging and now I am encountered with few errors, is there any channel where I can ask the doubt ? or is this the right place?
2419[14:54:44] <tx> better place than most
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2427[14:56:35] <ohlaugh> Hi! How can you list, on a terminal, all installed packages from a given component (such as 'non-free') only?
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2431[14:59:19] <Lal> I've trying to do "dpkg-buildpackage" replaced-url
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2435[14:59:40] <Lal> can anyone help?
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2438[15:00:31] <Lal> tx: ,ohlaugh : ping
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2449[15:04:01] <themill> Lal: does the error not explain the problem?
2450[15:04:01] <teraflops> lol choiced did an it crowd
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2457[15:05:04] <themill> Lal: (which part is unclear?)
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2461[15:05:30] <Lal> themill: well its not coming right?
2462[15:05:45] <Lal> themill: The package is not building
2463[15:05:48] <themill> ohlaugh: aptitude search '~i~snon-free'
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2465[15:06:16] <ohlaugh> thanks themill. is there a way to do it without aptitude?
2466[15:06:16] <apt> my pleasure, ohlaugh
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2486[15:12:52] <jaegerheimer> sup debian dudes
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2507[15:23:45] <dka> I want to create a class StringStore in java like "MyStringStore", should I use interface or class ?
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2518[15:27:37] <jusss> where i can get the warning or error messages of system at the moment?
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2521[15:28:29] <jusss> dmesg /var/log/messges journalctl what else?
2522[15:28:47] <themill> that depends on what you actually want
2523[15:29:24] <SandyH> Hi, I'm trying to deploy a debian vm in kvm from a Jessie-machine with virt install. The thing is I want to use a preseed and I've writen one witch I pass in the --initrd-inject parameter and I've also added auto=true to my --extra-args
2524[15:29:36] <SandyH> However it does not seem to function as desired
2525[15:29:49] <jusss> like "xxxxx kernel: disabling irq #xxx"
2526[15:29:54] <SandyH> Because once booting I get taken to a Download debconf preconfiguration file prompt
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2530[15:30:39] <SandyH> How do I pass a preseed to the installer directly? Without making it available over http? I have the file on the host/hypervisor system
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2543[15:35:47] <SandyH> Anyone?
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2550[15:37:59] <SandyH> Oh fixed it, didn't know it had to be named exactly preseed.cfg
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2558[15:40:15] <hexadecimal> Hi
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2563[15:42:39] <zaturek> hi guys! Somebody could help me to install mariadb? pip install mysql-python: Requirements already statisfied, but i can't: import mysql.connector as mariadb, cos: no module mysql.connector
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2578[15:50:24] <jhutchins_wk> ,v mariadb
2579[15:50:25] <judd> No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64.
2580[15:51:10] <jhutchins_wk> ,v mariadb-server
2581[15:51:10] <zaturek> mariadb is already installed and tried out.
2582[15:51:11] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.23-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.26-0+deb8u1; sid: 10.0.26-1; sid: 10.0.26-3; stretch: 10.0.26-3
2583[15:51:16] <Iridos> zaturek, what are you trying to do?
2584[15:51:43] <jelly> zaturek: what is your actual goal? Why are you not using python3-mysql.connector package?
2585[15:52:34] <jhutchins_wk> ,v python-mysql.connector
2586[15:52:35] <judd> Package: python-mysql.connector on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.2-1; jessie: 1.2.3-2; stretch: 2.1.3-1; sid: 2.1.3-1
2587[15:52:51] <zaturek> Iridos, I try to write python scripts which manage maradb database. I don't use python3 yet, but i want to use it with 2.x
2588[15:53:02] <zaturek> *mariadb
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2591[15:53:50] <jelly> zaturek: is there a reason you're installing via pip when software is available from the distro?
2592[15:54:18] <jelly> apt-cache search mysql.connector
2593[15:54:23] <zaturek> jelly, no, I just tried to import mysql, but can't.
2594[15:54:36] <zaturek> i've tried with apt-get too
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2597[15:54:49] <nkuttler> zaturek: and what happened ten?
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2599[15:55:02] <nkuttler> then even
2600[15:55:29] <zaturek> pip said: requirements statisfied
2601[15:55:29] <jelly> zaturek: you do have to know the right package name, if you use "apt-cache search mysql.connector" to search for that module you'll see there's a "python-mysql.connector" package available
2602[15:55:40] <zaturek> jelly, thanks!
2603[15:55:44] <zaturek> I'll try
2604[15:56:15] <jelly> no need to pull it with pip, unless you need a specific version that's unavaiable in debian
2605[15:56:34] <zaturek> ok
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2607[15:56:51] <zaturek> i'm lookingg for the correct package name in apt-cache search
2608[15:57:14] <jelly> use "apt-cache show some-package-name" to look at its details
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2610[15:57:24] <annoymouse4210> what is maximum limit for stdout?
2611[15:57:40] <jhutchins_wk> annoymouse4210: 42
2612[15:57:41] <jelly> annoymouse4210: what kind of limit?
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2615[15:58:00] <annoymouse4210> how many line can I print stdout?
2616[15:58:07] <jelly> an infinite number
2617[15:58:10] <annoymouse4210> printf("ASDASDSDAD....")
2618[15:58:17] <jhutchins_wk> annoymouse4210: How long is a piece of string?
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2620[15:58:44] <zaturek> awsome guys! thanks a lot! it's done
2621[15:58:46] <zaturek> :)\
2622[15:58:51] <annoymouse4210> line itself is small but many many lines there are
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2625[15:59:02] <nkuttler> annoymouse4210: there is no limit
2626[15:59:02] <jelly> as the ancient philosophers 2 Unlimited theorized, there's no limit
2627[15:59:52] <annoymouse4210> then is there limit size that I can print at once?
2628[16:00:02] <jelly> annoymouse4210: why do you ask?
2629[16:00:11] <jelly> !ask
2630[16:00:11] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2631[16:00:18] <nkuttler> annoymouse4210: as in line length?
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2633[16:00:36] <annoymouse4210> I'm passing information between two application using stdout but I'm not sure it can be passed since it is very large amount
2634[16:00:46] <annoymouse4210> yeah I mean line length nkuttler
2635[16:01:05] <nkuttler> sounds like you should worry about how your apps handle the data, not stdout
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2637[16:01:14] <jelly> annoymouse4210: people clone terabyte sized disks using stdout every day
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2639[16:01:21] <annoymouse4210> aha..
2640[16:01:23] <nkuttler> but line length, no idea tbh. probably until your memory + swap is exhausted
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2642[16:02:01] <annoymouse4210> thanks for helping me kindly!
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2654[16:08:01] <debidi> annoymouse4210: join ##c for programming topics
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2656[16:08:43] <annoymouse4210> ok next time I will ask there, sorry for selecting mischannel
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2659[16:10:09] <meowschwitz> annoymouse4210: you probably want a unix socket then
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2668[16:12:55] <Zew> interesting question
2669[16:13:01] <Zew> interesting answer
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2676[16:14:29] <Agialsa> can anyone tell me wjat dkms is and if it is safe to install oem-audio-hda-daily-lts-vivid-dkms - 0.201509251531~ubuntu14.04.1 from replaced-url
2677[16:14:55] <Agialsa> jelly, are you around?
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2680[16:15:19] <Agialsa> i think i found a solution but its for ubuntu
2681[16:15:23] <meowschwitz> dkms is a framework for building kernel modules
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2683[16:15:47] <meowschwitz> when you install a package, it compiles the driver for the available kernels
2684[16:15:58] <towo`> and installing ubuntu packages in debian is a stupid idea
2685[16:16:00] <meowschwitz> sparing you the necessity of having to do all the build and installation yourself
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2687[16:16:05] <meowschwitz> towo`: and dangerous
2688[16:16:08] <meowschwitz> but, often feasible
2689[16:16:19] <Agialsa> replaced-url
2690[16:16:23] <jelly> Agialsa: no :-)
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2693[16:17:25] <Agialsa> i have found a solution buts its for ubuntu would it be safe to install a deb package from replaced-url
2694[16:17:34] <meowschwitz> !+tias
2695[16:17:35] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
2696[16:18:01] <Agialsa> do i have to install g++ build essentials and kernel headers?
2697[16:18:28] <meowschwitz> Agialsa: and a bunch of other stuff
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2699[16:18:33] <Agialsa> replaced-url
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2701[16:18:43] <Agialsa> for dkms to work?
2702[16:18:46] <meowschwitz> Agialsa: lspci
2703[16:18:52] <meowschwitz> Agialsa: dkms will install it on its own
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2707[16:19:16] <Agialsa> do you install a dkms package with dkms?
2708[16:19:38] <Agialsa> or by installing dkms will install g++ etc...?
2709[16:19:38] <meowschwitz> Agialsa: yes, dkms package will pull all the necessary dependencies
2710[16:20:09] <jelly> except linux-headers-$(uname -r)
2711[16:20:13] <meowschwitz> jelly: naturally
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2716[16:20:52] <Agialsa> ok i'll have to install that aswell
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2725[16:24:01] <Agialsa> it says "Fixed my system, too! H110 chipset, intel i5-6600K, NVidia GTX960, 8GB RAM" my mobo is h110 chipset
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2729[16:25:46] <Agialsa> meowschwitz, replaced-url
2730[16:26:14] <Agialsa> ok installed dkms and the rest
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2735[16:27:48] <meowschwitz> you already have snd_hda_intel
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2737[16:27:53] <meowschwitz> what exactly is the problem?
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2740[16:28:55] <jelly> meowschwitz: they have no sound card detected or visible in /dev/snd or "aplay -l", with jessie or jessie-backports kernel
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2743[16:29:48] <meowschwitz> jelly: what does the driver say in dmesg
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2746[16:30:35] <Agialsa> it says
2747[16:30:40] <DammitJim> so, this is something that I should have probably done a looooong time ago, but...
2748[16:30:49] <DammitJim> how do you guys normally take mysql backups on an ongoing automatic basis?
2749[16:30:50] <DammitJim> cron job?
2750[16:30:50] <tx> DammitJim
2751[16:30:52] <tx> what have tou done now
2752[16:30:58] <DammitJim> or for mongoDb
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2754[16:31:14] <Agialsa> meowschwitz, replaced-url
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2759[16:33:03] <meowschwitz> Agialsa: yep, driver doesn't support it, try finding a newer version
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2762[16:34:12] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: mysqldump in a cron job.
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2765[16:34:29] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: Pipe it to tgz.
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2771[16:36:27] <meowschwitz> i have replicas and do backups from them
2772[16:36:40] <jelly> DammitJim: sure, cron job and a customized automysqlbackup script from somewhere on the internets
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2775[16:37:11] <jelly> DammitJim: this just generates dumps; filesystem level backups then take care of those.
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2778[16:37:52] <DammitJim> thanks guys
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2781[16:38:02] <DammitJim> how do you take care of passwords?
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2791[16:39:41] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: .my.cnf
2792[16:40:00] <jelly> any passwords required to make it work are unfortunately stored in cleartext somewhere on the fs
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2796[16:40:35] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: You can just rely on file backups of /var/lib/mysql
2797[16:40:39] <Drzacek> KDM or SDDM?
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2799[16:41:07] <meowschwitz> jhutchins_wk: not while the database is running, no
2800[16:41:07] <DammitJim> is this one of those linux things where we make .my.cnf be 600 ?
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2805[16:42:57] <jelly> DammitJim: yes
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2807[16:43:26] <M-alex_mayorga> ¡Hola! gnome-weather gives "Gjs-Message: JS LOG: Failed to connect to GeoClue2 service: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Geolocation disabled for UID 1000". Does anyone know a fix?
2808[16:43:28] <jelly> those things are called unix permissions
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2811[16:44:02] <missmbob> M-alex_mayorga: that's well known. replaced-url
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2819[16:46:06] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: Not if the server is running though, as you'd get inconsistent (= useless, corrupted) backups.
2820[16:46:33] <M-alex_mayorga> missmbob: Checking, ¡gracias!
2821[16:47:50] <M-alex_mayorga> missmbob: No, that's a different error.
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2823[16:48:14] <M-alex_mayorga> jelly: How to enable geolocation for my ID?
2824[16:48:34] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Theoretically. In practice it's seldom been a problem. Depends on server traffic I suspect.
2825[16:49:01] <Agialsa> jelly, meowschwitz do i install this oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms_0.201609080501~ubuntu16.04.1_all.deb with dpkg and does it replace snd-intel or alsa will i haveto remove alsa by myself through the package manager?
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2828[16:49:38] <Agialsa> does the deb file compile it self and install with dkms?
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2840[16:51:45] <Agialsa> anyone
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2848[16:54:49] <TheSin> any ruby maintainers here that work on or know about the gitlab package?
2849[16:55:01] <M-alex_mayorga> jelly: So a variant of replaced-url
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2853[16:55:42] <jhutchins_wk> TheSin: Git has plenty of it's own support channels.
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2855[16:56:09] <TheSin> jhutchins_wk, yes but this is gitlab and it's an issue with the package not the software
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2862[16:57:15] <wallbroken> hi folks
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2865[16:57:46] <wallbroken> do you know some software that calculates hash and writes the result on a text file on every single folder?
2866[16:57:59] <wallbroken> i prefeer that it could work on multi platforms
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2874[16:59:26] <jhutchins_wk> TheSin: The ruby package or the .deb?
2875[16:59:29] <jelly> Agialsa: I have no idea what a package for ubuntu from some PPA is going to do, read their documentation
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2882[17:00:14] <jhutchins_wk> wallbroken: I'd probably use find ... -exec md5sum >> file or some combination like that.
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2885[17:00:20] <TheSin> jhutchins_wk, the deb, I've sumitted a ticket but the upgrade broke it and it won't start now, I'm trying to figure out why
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2889[17:01:25] <TheSin> I knwo forsure the Gemfile wants vmstat 2.1.1 and debian only has 2.1.0 but I patched that already
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2891[17:02:03] <jhutchins_wk> TheSin: You're outside the scope of #debian I'm afraid.
2892[17:02:08] <tsahyt> Hello. I've recently upgraded my VPS from Debian 7 to Debian 8 and managed to break SASL auth in postfix in the process. testsaslauthd works as expected. I get a Permission Denied error in the logs, and have tried a few things with permissions which did not work. I've now disabled running postfix in chroot but the error persists. Does anyone have an idea what to try next?
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2897[17:02:38] <TheSin> jhutchins_wk, I disagree but okay I'm on my own then
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2900[17:02:54] <stopMOSSAD> Hi
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2903[17:03:43] <tsahyt> oh wow now it works. disabling the chroot AND setting the sasl path directly to /var/run/saslauthd/mux did it
2904[17:04:00] <jhutchins_wk> tsahyt: Good work.
2905[17:04:16] <tsahyt> jhutchins_wk: I've been trying this for a few days now. sorry for bothering
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2907[17:04:43] <TheSin> jhutchins_wk, all I knwo is gitlab ppl wont' help cause it's the debian package and changes where thigns are and uses system deps, so they just tell me to install their version which I dont' want to copies of everyone my debian system it's why I use debian. And since the update to 8.9.0 on gitlab now when I try to start it I get replaced-url
2908[17:04:45] <jhutchins_wk> tsahyt: I can't count the number of times I've posted a question to a forum, only to find the answer shortly afterward.
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2910[17:05:13] <tsahyt> it happens. but now that postfix is not running chrooted anymore, I suppose this might have security implications?
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2913[17:06:08] <jelly> it might. when was the last time postfix had a security issue?
2914[17:06:17] <jhutchins_wk> tsahyt: I think it's pretty low risk. Long ago there were reasons for running sendmail in chroot, particularly if you were using auto-handling programs. For modern mail there's not much point.
2915[17:06:40] <tsahyt> I've noticed that postfix droped the chroot by default but debian still uses the old defaults.
2916[17:06:59] <jelly> tsahyt: it's not too hard to set up saslauthd to put a socket inside the chroot, tho
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2920[17:07:31] <tsahyt> jelly: well it did have it set up like this but since the upgrade it just stopped working
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2923[17:08:03] <tsahyt> I've been careful to not overwrite the configs for anything in the process, so everything should have stayed the same
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2930[17:09:06] <jelly> speaking in general, some configs need to be adapted on a release upgrade
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2933[17:10:05] <tsahyt> I think I'll leave it as it is for now. It's not a high security server as it just holds some of my personal data. Maybe I'll get around to set it up in chroot again in the future.
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2940[17:13:58] <Skyrider> Q.
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2943[17:14:15] <Skyrider> If I get 2 VPS's with both debian on it. One high powered VPS and one with tons of bandwidth.
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2945[17:14:18] <Skyrider> Can I combine the two?
2946[17:14:24] <jelly> combine?
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2949[17:15:28] <Skyrider> In a way that the 2 will 'kinda' serve as 1
2950[17:15:45] <stoned> sure
2951[17:16:00] <`Kevin> Skyrider: what services will the VPSs be providing?
2952[17:16:15] <Skyrider> Define your service thoughts?
2953[17:16:24] <Skyrider> openvps btw.
2954[17:16:27] <Skyrider> errr
2955[17:16:41] <Skyrider> openvz
2956[17:16:45] <stoned> usually vps allow you to cluster them together in the sense that you can pool them and get one ip assinged to the pool which uses load balancing internally
2957[17:16:54] <`Kevin> webserver, database, fileserver... etc
2958[17:16:55] <stoned> Or you can load balance yourself using whatever services need be balanced.
2959[17:17:07] <Agialsa> jelly, so you would not consider it safe to install replaced-url
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2961[17:17:16] <stoned> I like RackSpace because of that.
2962[17:17:27] <Agialsa> would it replace current alsa?
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2964[17:18:18] <stoned> Skyrider: is this due to cost or what is the reason for going with 2 servers?
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2967[17:18:54] <unborn> skylite: do happen you know anything about linux server clusters and lead balance or just ordinary user out there? :)
2968[17:18:57] <stoned> Are they selling cpu/mem apart from b/w? I thought you paid for b/w separately for most vps after a certain amount and you mostly only pay for server resources such as cpu time and memory/disk
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2972[17:19:53] <jelly> Agialsa: I'm saying I have no idea what it's supposed to do, and even less what it would do if installed on debian.
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2977[17:20:48] <stoned> Agialsa: it is unwise to contaminate your system with non distro packages (official repository)
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2980[17:20:58] <stoned> And if so, do it as your own risk. It is not supported.
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2983[17:21:10] <unborn> stoned: I thought people are charged per hour like how many hours vps is running regardless of cpu and ram creepy things..
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2985[17:21:36] <stoned> unborn: that's what I meant. They slice up mem/cpu (in the same sense you meant)
2986[17:21:40] <unborn> or perhaps hes like me - running it from home :)
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2989[17:21:48] <H4ndy> well thats for "modern" cloud hoster
2990[17:21:50] <stoned> My company pays for everything for me.
2991[17:21:51] <Agialsa> stoned, my sound card does not work and its the first post on the net that has a solution replaced-url
2992[17:21:54] <`Kevin> Agialsa: if you want ubuntu packages then you should be on ubuntu :), also those are testing packages in addition
2993[17:21:58] <H4ndy> where you can scale up with a click of a button
2994[17:22:04] <starstuff> How do I get a list of all the i386 packages that I have installed on my amd64 installation of Debian Jessie?
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2996[17:22:16] <Agialsa> stoned, would you think my next step would be to compile snd-intel or alsa and install ?
2997[17:22:42] <stoned> \o/
2998[17:22:44] <jelly> Agialsa: some stuff I've never tried to do. If you want me to investigate such a setup just for you, that's going to cost about $80/hour
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3001[17:23:09] <Agialsa> some stuff?
3002[17:23:12] <stoned> I would try to find out what is in that package/solution that works. Try to see if you can implement that in debian using official packages. Might have to code/diff/patch/etc.
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3004[17:23:16] <stoned> Not sure if you're up to it.
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3006[17:23:28] <unborn> 1+ for jelly :)
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3008[17:24:03] <Agialsa> go through the source and compare?
3009[17:24:25] <stoned> Sure. Find out what makes that package different. What's the actual solution?
3010[17:24:30] <stoned> the ACTUAL solution.
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3015[17:24:45] <stoned> not just to install a diff package, but what makes that package be able to solve the problem.
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3017[17:25:09] <Agialsa> go through the source
3018[17:25:13] <stoned> \o/
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3020[17:25:21] <stoned> Whatever it takes man. It's your hardware.
3021[17:25:27] <stoned> I'm sure you're motivated to research this.
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3025[17:26:02] <`Kevin> Agialsa: see if the debs have a changelog, if so read through that to see if they mention your issue and diff the changes for that release
3026[17:26:03] <stoned> Or you can try it and see and if your system blows up, don't come crying here. Non debian pckages are not supported here.
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3030[17:26:40] <Agialsa> if i try this replaced-url
3031[17:26:41] <unborn> stoned can you actually post your resolution on this instead of if and buts theories?
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3038[17:28:05] <stoned> No. There is no resolution to this. Don't install an ubuntu package on debian.
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3041[17:28:21] <stoned> Now, to get your sound card working, that's a diff issue.
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3046[17:28:42] <unborn> only idiot can do such a thing.. ubuntu is ! debian
3047[17:28:53] <unborn> ! means no way
3048[17:28:54] <stoned> So apparently it has something to do with the kernel.
3049[17:28:58] <Agialsa> Changelog
3050[17:28:58] <Agialsa> oem-audio-hda-daily-lts-vivid-dkms (0.201608190747~ubuntu14.04.1) trusty; urgency=low
3051[17:29:04] <Agialsa> and the diff is
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3055[17:29:24] <Agialsa> replaced-url
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3058[17:29:56] <unborn> stoned: perhpas you should tell user to love ubuntu or something - or if you do write drivers - some manual so we can all learn.
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3060[17:30:29] <stoned> unborn: your antognism will cause you to soon be ignored.
3061[17:30:36] <unborn> Agialsa: hi, are you on ubuntu?
3062[17:30:40] <Agialsa> can't i just download bleeding edge alsa compile and install if its alsa?
3063[17:30:48] <Agialsa> no jessie stable
3064[17:30:50] <unborn> stoned for?
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3067[17:31:02] <stoned> Agialsa: I was going to suggest a sid backport or the alsa packages
3068[17:31:10] <stoned> simple sid backport
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3071[17:31:25] <stoned> s/or/for/
3072[17:31:32] <stoned> But hang on
3073[17:32:07] <unborn> Agialsa: sure.. thing is you can have look what ubuntu does to install.. and then reproduce in real environment - meaning ubuntu installed in virtual box..
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3075[17:32:14] <Agialsa> is there a way i can search for alsa backports packages?
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3078[17:32:42] <stoned> Agialsa: you'll have to rebuild the latest drivers. I'm not sure exactly what the issue is w/ the driver/kernel
3079[17:32:42] <unborn> .. anyway he is using debian how come we end up in ubuntu ?
3080[17:32:46] <Agialsa> or does apt-cache search do it for me?
3081[17:33:00] <stoned> !ssb
3082[17:33:00] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
3083[17:33:01] <Agialsa> snd-intel drivers?
3084[17:33:23] <unborn> means it is bringing me back to what jelly said earlier and i noded him for this.. i shall stick with him.
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3086[17:33:54] <jusss> when I shut down my system. and it stuck in "kvm: existing hardware virtualization" and I have to power off though handle
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3089[17:34:06] <Agialsa> how do i tell apt-get to serach for backported packages?
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3092[17:34:24] <jusss> is anyone here meet this before?
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3094[17:34:34] <Agialsa> or does it do it automatically?
3095[17:34:36] <somiaj> Agialsa: you would have to use aptitude to search packags that come from a paticuarl repo.
3096[17:34:47] <somiaj> Agialsa: if you have jessie-backport in your sources, it will be included in your search.
3097[17:34:51] <Agialsa> not apt-get?
3098[17:34:53] <somiaj> Agialsa: apt-cache policy packagename is useful too
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3100[17:35:08] <Agialsa> i think i included it yesterday
3101[17:35:12] <somiaj> Agialsa: apt-get doesn't search, do you mean apt-cache search? Or do you mean something else?
3102[17:35:22] <Agialsa> apt-cache
3103[17:35:39] <jusss> pacman :)
3104[17:35:54] <somiaj> I don't think there is a way to tell apt-cache search to only earch certain repos. aptitude search is way more powerful because of all the search flags you can use to narrow your search.
3105[17:36:03] <unborn> jusss: oh yeah!
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3107[17:36:19] <jusss> pacman -Fs is more powerful than apt-cache or apt-xxx
3108[17:36:20] <Agialsa> does apt-cache search go through pbackports aswell ? or do you have to specifically tell it to if you have inclided backports in sources.list?
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3110[17:36:47] <jusss> it's true! and I think debian should add something like pacman -F
3111[17:36:50] <somiaj> Agialsa: apt-cache search searches through all packages in your sources database.
3112[17:36:56] <somiaj> jusss: use aptitude
3113[17:37:16] <jusss> somiaj: aptitude search is not good
3114[17:37:18] <somiaj> replaced-url
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3122[17:38:13] <stoned> Agialsa: try the backported kernel first.
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3124[17:38:25] <somiaj> jusss: I don't know what you are talking about then. with aptitude you can narrow search to search for amost any category in the package data.
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3126[17:38:45] <somiaj> But I don't know pacman to say what flags -F would be with aptitude search.
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3129[17:38:58] <starstuff> How do I get a list of all the i386 packages that I have installed on my amd64 installation of Debian Jessie?
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3132[17:39:06] <stoned> Agialsa: you have to add packports repository line to soruces.list
3133[17:39:24] <Agialsa> i have
3134[17:39:26] <somiaj> stoned: dpkg -l | grep :i386 is one way
3135[17:39:30] <Agialsa> since yesterday
3136[17:39:39] <jusss> starstuff: that's huge!
3137[17:39:50] <Agialsa> which package included snd-intel?
3138[17:39:54] <starstuff> jusss: what?
3139[17:40:07] <stoned> Agialsa: kernel images
3140[17:40:08] <jusss> I meant the number of packages
3141[17:40:31] <stoned> i think.
3142[17:40:39] <starstuff> jusss: I don't really believe so. It's an amd64 installation with multi-arch of only some i386 packages.
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3145[17:41:01] <starstuff> jusss: Do you know how to get the list of that?
3146[17:41:03] <Agialsa> snd_hda_intel
3147[17:41:07] <unborn> starstuff: replaced-url
3148[17:41:44] <Skyrider> stoned: Ya, Usually grabbing 'cheap' vps for now usage, and see what happens later. But I can get a pretty cheap unmetered vps as well, (low ram of course), but useful for file balancing bandwidth wise. and unborn: Never tried clusters before or anything like this remotely.
3149[17:41:52] <Agialsa> so basically i'll have to compile a latest vanilla kernel or find the sources of snd_hda_intel?
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3151[17:42:16] <Agialsa> latest sources of snd_hda_intel?
3152[17:42:20] <starstuff> unborn: I guess that's not helpful to me.
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3154[17:42:35] <stoned> Agialsa: try the backport kernel, 4.x something
3155[17:42:37] <unborn> Skyrider: hi.. nova days no one meters you cpu or ram - that is just bullshit.
3156[17:42:38] <somiaj> stoned: aptitude search ~i~ri386 will also work
3157[17:42:41] <jusss> starstuff: I don't know how to get all of them, but you can search the cache directory to get part of them that you installed
3158[17:43:05] <Skyrider> unborn: The bandwidth is limited (on the higher powered vps) 2TB
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3160[17:43:10] <Skyrider> Second VPS that I have in mind is unmetered.
3161[17:43:14] <somiaj> starstuff: sorry, look at my last two comments to stoned (I had a bad tab completion)
3162[17:43:21] <Skyrider> Hence, the bandwidth balance q.
3163[17:43:34] <unborn> starstuff: well there you go.. google is good thing.. i bet you will found your answer there or perhaps you can hire someone to help you with it.. that is 1000% sure
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3166[17:44:04] <starstuff> somiaj: Okay thank you
3167[17:44:11] <Agialsa> replaced-url
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3170[17:44:32] <Agialsa> uname -r
3171[17:44:32] <Agialsa> 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
3172[17:44:33] <starstuff> unborn: What is your issue? Linking to lmgtfy and then suggesting that I hire someone. Do you have an issue?
3173[17:44:36] <unborn> Skyrider: the bandwidth? for server? - who on earth could parasites on that asset in those days... are you serious ?
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3175[17:44:48] <stoned> Agialsa: add a packports line to sources list, install the 4.x kernel for your arch from backports. see if that helps as the problems seems to be prior to kernels 3.19x for your chipset etc.
3176[17:45:15] <unborn> starstuff: there is no issue.. what is yours?
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3178[17:45:23] <unborn> reev: issues
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3180[17:45:30] <starstuff> somiaj: That command "dpkg -l | grep :i386" worked very well thank you for the helpful response.
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3182[17:45:40] <Skyrider> I usually am serious ^^.
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3185[17:46:18] <unborn> Skyrider: then I would very much strongly suggest you to change that isp provider..
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3188[17:46:39] <stoned> starstuff: apt list --installed |grep 386
3189[17:46:40] <Skyrider> I'm lost, why exactly?
3190[17:46:40] <stoned> also maybe
3191[17:46:43] <stoned> there is the apt tool
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3198[17:48:00] <stoned> stoned@Stoned-PC:~$ aptitude search '~i'|grep 386
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3200[17:48:05] <stoned> and that
3201[17:48:22] <stoned> Trying to remember all the diff ways
3202[17:48:53] <stoned> dpkg --get-selections|grep 386
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3204[17:48:54] <dpkg> i don't know, stoned
3205[17:49:01] <stoned> np, bot, I know.
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3207[17:49:29] <Agialsa> stoned, my kernel is 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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3209[17:49:38] <Agialsa> what else should i do ?
3210[17:49:52] <somiaj> stoned: aptitude search ~i~ri386 as well
3211[17:50:36] <Agialsa> stoned i'm somewhat confused what should i compile alsa firmware does that contain the snd driver replaced-url
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3213[17:50:57] <ueber> hi there
3214[17:51:04] <somiaj> Agialsa: if the backported kernel contains the newer drivers, I would use that over complining your own driver
3215[17:51:07] <stoned> driver modules are already in the kernel image
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3217[17:51:17] <unborn> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.5 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4200U CPU @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.30GHz ** RAM: Physical: 11.7GiB, 86.8% free ** Disk: Total: 427.8GiB, 23.7% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDMI1: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I218-LM **
3218[17:51:17] <unborn> Uptime: 55m 26s **
3219[17:51:28] <ueber> I get the following error when trying to install ncftp
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3221[17:51:40] <unborn> Agialsa: 4.6 are you running testing or unstable?
3222[17:51:48] <ueber> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'tasksel-data' is missing final newline E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
3223[17:51:49] <dpkg> ueber: what are you talking about?
3224[17:51:49] <stoned> You can try to compile the from soruce and insert/probe the modules and see if that works
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3226[17:52:14] <somiaj> ueber: what version of debian are you running?
3227[17:52:17] <glcx> unborn, did you just fail ?
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3229[17:52:30] <stoned> glcx: yes.
3230[17:52:30] <unborn> glcx: with what?
3231[17:52:37] <stoned> He is on stable.
3232[17:52:53] <ueber> Debian GNU/Linux 8
3233[17:52:59] <unborn> oh i see..yap i did :D
3234[17:53:05] <glcx> ahah
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3236[17:53:40] <`Kevin> Skyrider: again what services are to be running? a webserver, or what? If this is undetermined then we cannot really provide you with any direction.. typically something like haproxy will work and offer you the balancing you need (more traffic for X node)
3237[17:53:51] <magyar> hi, is there a fiddler like application in debian repos?
3238[17:54:03] <ueber> somiaj: any suggestion?
3239[17:54:06] <somiaj> ueber: looks like you have some corruption in your dtabase with the package tasksel-data. I'm unsure the best way to fix it, but maybe try to just reinstall it. apt-get --reinstall install tasksel-data (does that help)?
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3241[17:54:15] <somiaj> magyar: what does fiddler do?
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3243[17:54:37] <magyar> plays music :)
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3246[17:54:53] <ueber> somiaj: no, same error with that too
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3248[17:55:19] <somiaj> magyar: replaced-url
3249[17:55:26] <jhutchins_wk> magyar: There are MANY music playing apps in Linux. I would guess more than a dozen.
3250[17:55:31] <somiaj> magyar: well there are other music players, but unsure what sort of compadability you need.
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3253[17:56:43] <somiaj> ueber: I'm unsure what file is corrupt in this case. I would try to just remove tasksel-data package, but after the install I don't use tasksel (unsure if it will remove any of your task packages though)
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3255[17:57:12] <magyar> somiaj: jhutchins_wk; I was messing around >> Fiddler is an HTTP debugging proxy server application
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3257[17:57:53] <Aorious> Hello, after a BIOS update, my notebook's wireless no longer connects. Under the Gnome "Network" settings, it just loads and then does nothing. How do I fix this?
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3260[17:58:30] <jhutchins_wk> magyar: Ah, easy answer: use fiddler.
3261[17:58:45] <jhutchins_wk> magyar: replaced-url
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3264[17:59:09] <somiaj> ueber: seems the corrupt fiel is /var/lib/dpkg/info/tasksel-data.list
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3268[17:59:32] <jhutchins_wk> Aorious: You may need new firmware. dmessg | less and see if it mentions the chipset.
3269[17:59:36] <ueber> somiaj: yes
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3271[17:59:53] <somiaj> ueber: I see one thread that says you can just delete (I would mv that file somewhere) and then reinstall the tasksel-data package to regenerate it.
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3273[18:00:15] <ueber> somiaj: what should I mv there ?
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3275[18:00:33] <somiaj> ueber: you should mv that file somewhere else (so you have a backup/can move it back if it makes it worse)
3276[18:00:53] <ueber> somiaj: mv tasksel-data.* ?
3277[18:00:53] <somiaj> but what I am seeing is people who have had this problem, this fixed it, after the file is no longer there, you can at least reinstall the package to regenerate the file
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3279[18:01:04] <somiaj> ueber: I would just just the .list file that is being complianed about
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3281[18:01:11] <ueber> ok
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3285[18:02:49] <Aorious> jhutchins_wk: I already have the backports kernel and firmware-brcm80211. It was working before the BIOS update.
3286[18:03:27] <ueber> somiaj: it worked! thanks! :))
3287[18:03:49] <somiaj> Aorious: check the BIOS settings, maybe the nic is disabled or in some strange mode that needs to be toggled.
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3291[18:05:07] <somiaj> Aorious: All though I doubt a BIOS update would do this, you could make sure the network card is being identified the same way, i.e. wlan1 vs wlan0 due to hardware address change, or check dmesg. See if you can get any info about what the wireless card is being detected/loaded as
3292[18:05:20] <ueber> great somiaj :)
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3308[18:09:16] <Aorious> somiaj: BIOS/UEFI only shows an "enabled" check box for the wireless. Nothing has changed.
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3311[18:09:38] <somiaj> Aorious: then check demsg, see what the wireless card is being detected as
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3313[18:09:59] <Agialsa> can someone tell me why when i do git clone git://git.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver.git i get only a readme file inside the directory?
3314[18:10:15] <Aorious> The card is still wlan0 as before, I still check the dmsg now.
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3316[18:11:19] <jhutchins_wk> Agialsa: That's all that's in the repo.
3317[18:11:28] <SynrG> Agialsa: my guess is that the "good stuff" is on a branch, and the web page linking to it would explain what branch to check out
3318[18:11:35] <SynrG> oh?
3319[18:11:40] <SynrG> hm
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3323[18:13:07] <SynrG> Agialsa: git branch -a
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3327[18:13:23] <SynrG> Agialsa: e.g. 'git checkout release' shows me a different view.
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3330[18:13:56] <SynrG> Agialsa: also the README *explains* why. heh. :) and basically duplicates what I just said
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3332[18:14:03] <Agialsa> replaced-url
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3334[18:14:56] <jhutchins_wk> SynrG: What a concept, actually reading a README file.
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3336[18:15:13] <Agialsa> SynrG, i read it but i don't understand how to get the source can you explain please?
3337[18:15:31] <SynrG> Agialsa: i think you don't understand git
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3339[18:15:50] <SynrG> you *have* the source
3340[18:16:09] <jhutchins_wk> Agialsa: I think you will observe that most of that project is rather old, only a couple of things have been updated recently.
3341[18:16:11] <SynrG> Agialsa: the README explains quite adequately what to do with it
3342[18:16:52] <Agialsa> where can i get the latest alsa source?
3343[18:16:53] <stoned> Agialsa: apt-get install git, then in a new directory, git clone git://git.alsa-project.org/alsa-firmware.git alsa-firmware
3344[18:17:00] <stoned> that will download the soruce into a directory
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3346[18:17:10] <SynrG> Agialsa: also the web page you linked to does explain what to do with the repo, under "Occasional Developers"
3347[18:17:13] <stoned> Agialsa: read the git intro/tutorial.
3348[18:17:52] <Agialsa> it works for alsa-firmware but not for alsadriver
3349[18:17:56] <jhutchins_wk> stoned: Actually, none of that addresses his issue.
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3351[18:18:07] <SynrG> Agialsa: what "it" doesn't work?
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3353[18:18:25] <jhutchins_wk> Agialsa: I suggest you poke around on the web site a bit until you understand what's there.
3354[18:18:30] <Agialsa> git clone git://git.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver.git do i have to add some other option to get the source?
3355[18:18:43] <jhutchins_wk> Agialsa: Yes.
3356[18:18:44] <SynrG> Agialsa: that command has downloaded the source.
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3358[18:18:56] <SynrG> Agialsa: and the README explains what to do with it
3359[18:19:09] <SynrG> Agialsa: your mistake is assuming that it is "empty" because you only see the README
3360[18:19:12] <SynrG> Agialsa: you are wrong
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3363[18:19:56] <SynrG> Agialsa: when you clone a repository with multiple branches, all you intitially see is the default branch, usually called 'master'
3364[18:20:05] <SynrG> Agialsa: 'git checkout' is used to check out different branches.
3365[18:20:20] <SynrG> Agialsa: for example, 'git checkout release' checks out the release branch. etc.
3366[18:20:30] <SynrG> Agialsa: and 'git branch -a' shows all the branches you're tracking
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3368[18:21:00] <SynrG> ah, local *and* remote branches. not just ones you're tracking
3369[18:21:28] <Agialsa> so in the directory i do git checkout release ?
3370[18:21:35] <SynrG> no.
3371[18:21:44] <SynrG> what you do is read the README and do what it says to do.
3372[18:21:53] <SynrG> i'm just explaining the bits of git that you apparently don't understand.
3373[18:22:01] <SynrG> i'm not going to read the README to you
3374[18:22:17] <tabakhase> man that "only a readme on the master branch" is pretty damn neat :D - imma copy that LUL
3375[18:22:55] <SynrG> tabakhase: because of their particular workflow, it makes sense.
3376[18:23:07] <Agialsa> alsa-driver$ mmerge
3377[18:23:07] <Agialsa> bash: mmerge: command not found
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3379[18:24:06] <jim> hi... my video's pciid is 8086:1916, which X driver package is that?
3380[18:24:12] <tabakhase> no idea of there flow, but i cant wait for the giggle of closing a "only downloaded a readme file" issue with a "open it..."
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3382[18:24:52] <Agialsa> how do i download the release branch ?
3383[18:24:55] <Agialsa> ~/Downloads/alsa-driver$ git branch -a
3384[18:24:55] <Agialsa> master
3385[18:24:55] <Agialsa> * release
3386[18:24:59] <SynrG> Agialsa: i added the aliases to my .git/config and typed 'git mmerge'. seems to work for me
3387[18:25:20] <Agialsa> oh git in front
3388[18:25:22] <SynrG> you already *have* the release branch. you don't need to "download" it
3389[18:25:24] <Agialsa> ok
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3391[18:25:55] <jim> how can he switch to it?
3392[18:25:56] <Agialsa> if i have it how am i going to compile the source code there is nothing there
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3395[18:26:40] <jim> try git checkout release
3396[18:26:47] <jim> then git branch
3397[18:26:53] <jhutchins_wk> Agialsa: Why would you compile somethinhg that's three years old and probably already packaged in debian?
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3399[18:27:08] <Agialsa> because sound card does not work
3400[18:27:18] <Agialsa> i need LATEST sndintel driver
3401[18:27:26] <Agialsa> git checkout release && git merge --log build would download the code ?
3402[18:27:42] <SynrG> you keep saying "download". this is the wrong word
3403[18:28:01] <jim> again, you have it if you cloned the repo just now
3404[18:28:03] <Agialsa> download the source folder ?
3405[18:28:04] <SynrG> when you did the git clone, you already downloaded it
3406[18:28:19] <Agialsa> ls produces nada SynrG
3407[18:28:33] <SynrG> Agialsa: again, you misunderstand git.
3408[18:28:48] <SynrG> the whole repository is cloned in your alsa-driver/.git/ directory
3409[18:28:58] <Agialsa> athena@athenaPC:~/Downloads/alsa-driver$ ls
3410[18:28:58] <Agialsa> alsa Documentation include scripts sound
3411[18:28:58] <SynrG> and various git commands are used to checkout different branches, etc.
3412[18:29:01] <Agialsa> ok sorry
3413[18:29:15] <jim> Agialsa, maybe you need to read "git from the bottom up" to see how git works, and maybe look at some intro videos
3414[18:29:15] <SynrG> this project's workflow involves merging code which is kept in multiple branches
3415[18:29:27] <SynrG> and the web page you linked before gave instructions *for developers* for how to do that
3416[18:29:42] <SynrG> if you're not interested in being a developer (or doing the things a developer would have to do, at least) then maybe give up
3417[18:29:52] <jim> Agialsa, there's a few misconceptions that you have, that should clear them right up
3418[18:29:53] <SynrG> but if you are interested, you need to study a bit more
3419[18:30:00] <Agialsa> but when i ran git clone git://git.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver.git ls listed nothing
3420[18:30:16] <SynrG> Agialsa: what you're missing is the huge amount of material in .git
3421[18:30:25] <SynrG> Agialsa: ls -l alsa-driver/.git
3422[18:30:37] <SynrG> -lR i mean
3423[18:30:58] <Agialsa> git checkout release downloaded the files or the previous command
3424[18:31:13] <SynrG> Agialsa: all of the pack-* files contain all the material
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3427[18:31:44] <SynrG> no, git checkout release did not *download* anything :)
3428[18:32:08] <Agialsa> replaced-url
3429[18:32:13] <SynrG> replaced-url
3430[18:32:26] <Aorious> somiaj, This is my dmesg replaced-url
3431[18:32:29] <SynrG> "Updates files in the working tree to match the version in the index or the specified tree."
3432[18:32:33] <SynrG> ^ nowhere does that say "download"
3433[18:32:40] <Agialsa> i ahve to leave now next step is to compile snd_hda_driver thank you i'll be back
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3438[18:35:41] <Aorious> somiaj, AFAIK it loads as brcmfmac. There are some errors about firmware not loading, however I think these were also there before. maybe relating to bluetooth.
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3442[18:36:04] <Aorious> Wireless is displayed in gnome and can scan for networks. It only fails to complete a connect.
3443[18:37:06] <jim> do you have a root shell right now
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3446[18:38:14] <Aorious> I do
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3457[18:40:12] <Aorious> jim, *I do, if you are asking me.
3458[18:41:10] <Strykar> what user should unbound run as? I installed it and it shows up as running under my user account
3459[18:41:10] <jim> ``do you have a wlan0 device? (look at ip l or ifconfig)
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3461[18:42:14] <Aorious> jim, Yes, `sudo ipconfig` shows wlan0.
3462[18:42:37] <jim> ipconfig? what';s that?
3463[18:42:53] <Aorious> ifconfig*
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3465[18:43:21] <Aorious> jim, `sudo ifconfig` shows wlan0.
3466[18:43:29] <jim> oh ok, I remember ipconfig from some windows install I used to have
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3468[18:44:03] <jim> ok, good... try these: ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist scan
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3471[18:45:13] <Midnightx> hi everyone
3472[18:45:24] <Midnightx> i am new in debian
3473[18:45:32] <jim> welcome.
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3475[18:45:58] <Midnightx> anyway i got problem gnupg
3476[18:46:08] <Midnightx> always got error in here
3477[18:46:23] <Aorious> jim, `sudo ifconfig wlan0 up; sudo iwlist scan`, lo does not suport scanning, wlan0 scan completed. It shows my router, do you need the results?
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3479[18:46:51] <missmbob> !tell Midnightx -about doesn't work
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3481[18:47:07] <jim> Aorious, no... that verifies the radio in the card, and the card itself is working
3482[18:47:38] <jim> !sicco
3483[18:47:38] <dpkg> Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
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3485[18:48:05] <jim> heh,,, it's still there :)
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3488[18:48:16] <Midnightx> gpg: requesting key 2B6F76DA from hkp server keys.gnupg.net gpg: keyserver timed out
3489[18:49:06] <Midnightx> did i need set my iptables
3490[18:49:48] <jim> Aorious, so then the only thing left is to get connected... do you have something like network-manager (or wicd is similar)?
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3494[18:50:25] <jim> also, do you have a wired eth?
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3496[18:51:10] <Aorious> jim, Details of wireless router are saving in the Gnome Network settings. I click on it to connect. It loads and does nothing. I do not have an ethernet ports, Dell XPS 15 (9550), I can use Android teathering.
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3503[18:51:55] <Aorious> It just says "connecting", shows the loading animation circle and stops.
3504[18:51:56] <jim> so you can get on the net with your cell?
3505[18:52:04] <Aorious> Yes
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3513[18:54:43] <Aorious> jim, I can temporarly use Android tethering, to get internet access on the system. What must I do to fix the wireless?
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3515[18:55:08] <jhutchins_wk> Aorious: You should look at what dmesg says when it tries to connect.
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3517[18:56:28] <jim> the driver is working... that's a pretty big hurdle
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3520[18:57:55] <TheSin> jhutchins_wk, I found the issue, it's somethign in the ruby-devise-4.1.1-3 update form -2, I rolled back to -2 and it all works 100%
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3526[19:00:22] <jhutchins_wk> TheSin: Glad you found it!
3527[19:00:50] <TheSin> jhutchins_wk, thanks not to make that pkg as hold and report the bug
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3540[19:04:48] <Aorious> jhutchins_wk: Here is the output of dmesg, during an attempted connection. replaced-url
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3559[19:08:10] <beastwick> hi, when doing an install from source with cmake, is it possible to be more specific with where LIB files should go? I can set the prefix to like /usr, but I need the lib files to go into /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
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3562[19:09:21] <jim> why cmake? settings for lib places (and such) would go in the makefile
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3579[19:13:35] <Aorious> Is there nothing I can do? :(
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3596[19:20:23] <jim> what does bind9 log to?
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3600[19:21:36] <jim> I'm trying to debug an issue in bind where it correctly returns hostnames for ips in one reverse zone, but not another, where it returns SERVFAIL, would be nice to know where bind9 logs to so I can figure out what's wrong
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3623[19:27:42] <jhutchins_wk> jim: grep -r bind /var/log/*
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3626[19:28:07] <jhutchins_wk> jim: I think it's in the daemon log.
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3628[19:28:26] <ioudas> bind 9 has a query log and a update log which are specific to the OS. rest goes to syslog and daemon log.
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3658[19:38:13] <Agialsa> is anyone here familiar with git
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3661[19:39:36] <missmbob> Agialsa: there is #github. lots of people there
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3677[19:46:01] <AimHere> Agialsa, there's also #git
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3687[19:48:35] <jim> Agialsa, two other info sources: There is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help and replaced-url
3688[19:48:57] <jim> also,
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3692[19:50:46] <jim> Agialsa, replaced-url
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3695[19:51:23] <missmbob> huh. never noticed wget uses hsts until now. neat
3696[19:51:25] <babilen> Agialsa: replaced-url
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3698[19:52:18] <jim> if you're going to be using git for anything more than just grabbing source it would be good to know git pretty well... as good as git is, it has gotchas
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3701[19:53:59] <_abc_> Hello. Am having trouble with *new* kernels on an *old* laptop with radeon ati. Am looking at new laptops with new kernels. Is i915 usually trouble free? Specifically I have etch with a 2.6 kernel working including suspend, but 3.x kernel on the same system freezes on suspend. The problem is radeon related, using either the vga mode, nouveau, or binary radeon from ati. Suspend and resume from non gui console
3702[19:54:06] <_abc_> mode is working. Wheezy also causes the ...
3703[19:54:08] <_abc_> ... same thing on this machine. The freeze on wake is at bios level, caps lock does not work etc.
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3705[19:54:24] <_abc_> So am looking for info, good/bad, on what chipsets are less temperamental. i915 is better?
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3711[19:55:08] <jim> jhutchins_wk, good hint... maybe I can use it to figure where anything logs, and no ask so many questions
3712[19:55:44] <greycat> git got gotchas? got it.
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3724[19:58:19] <_abc_> hehe git is made of gotchas
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3731[20:00:06] <_abc_> replaced-url
3732[20:00:18] <greycat> I think I know which one that is...
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3735[20:00:41] <_abc_> No gui greycat ?
3736[20:00:58] * _abc_ has met several people on irc who use vtxxxes -- nice to know ;)
3737[20:01:08] <greycat> I can get URLs into a browser window with several copy/paste steps... but it's quicker to pattern-match inside my brain.
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3739[20:01:38] <greycat> And yes, it was replaced-url
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3748[20:05:42] <lowin> What's the service name for alsa?
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3751[20:06:18] <greycat> titan:~$ systemctl status | grep -i alsa
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3753[20:06:27] <greycat> Don't think there is one. At least not by default.
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3756[20:07:30] <lowin> So how does one make reload configuration? or does it use new configuration for new programs?
3757[20:07:39] <lowin> new processes*
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3759[20:07:45] <greycat> ("what configuration?")
3760[20:07:52] <lowin> .asoundrc
3761[20:08:06] <greycat> That's read by applications as they start up, yeah. If it exists. Which it doesn't by default.
3762[20:08:15] <lowin> ok cool
3763[20:08:17] <lowin> thanks
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3773[20:10:10] <FaTony> how can I make a tar.gz file of all files in the current directory?
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3776[20:10:23] <greycat> tar czf ../myfiles.tar.gz .
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3778[20:10:46] <greycat> c = create, z = invoke gzip, f = the following argument is the output filename
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3780[20:11:08] <jhutchins_wk> FaTony: It's often a good idea to cd .. and run tar from there. That way when the file is extracted, it will create the directory too.
3781[20:11:12] <FaTony> but I open the archive and it contains . as the parent directory
3782[20:11:22] <greycat> That is not a problem.
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3785[20:11:36] <greycat> extracting ./foo is exactly the same as extracting foo
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3790[20:14:18] <magyar> jhutchins_wk: which mono package for jessie ?
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3797[20:15:59] <FaTony> ok, what if I want to zip some other directory?
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3801[20:16:33] <greycat> in general, the syntax is tar czf _tarfilename_ _directoryname_
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3803[20:16:54] <gasull> Is it possible to install wine32 without uninstalling any packages? The aptitude --safe-resolver doesn't offer any options, and the unsafe one shows many possibilities always involving removing stuff.
3804[20:16:56] <FaTony> it makes the whole directory tree inside the archive
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3806[20:17:21] <greycat> But the real question you want to ask yourself is how the things should look when you extract them. Do you want to extract "foo", "bar", "README" etc. all in the current dir? Or do you want to extract "myproject-1.2.3/foo" etc.?
3807[20:17:35] <jhutchins_wk> magyar: The one it says to use on the homepage.
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3810[20:18:07] <FaTony> greycat, I'm trying to make an orig archive for debuild to build a deb package
3811[20:18:17] <jhutchins_wk> magyar: You were looking at running fiddler?
3812[20:18:44] <FaTony> I think it doesn't expect a directory tree inside
3813[20:18:58] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ tar tzvf tmp/greycat-scripts_0.1.orig.tar.gz
3814[20:18:58] <greycat> drwxr-xr-x wooledg/wooledg 0 2016-06-17 10:32 greycat-scripts-0.1/
3815[20:18:58] <greycat> -rwxr-xr-x wooledg/wooledg 59 2016-06-17 10:10 greycat-scripts-0.1/args
3816[20:18:59] <magyar> jhutchins_wk: got it, thank you
3817[20:19:18] <greycat> I don't think I created it by hand, though. I think the debian stuff created it *for me*.
3818[20:19:44] <FaTony> greycat, how can I use debian stuff to create it for me?
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3821[20:20:03] <FaTony> greycat, or is it possible to not have an orig archive?
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3823[20:20:39] <greycat> I just followed the instructions. This was months ago. I wasn't even doing it as a serious project. There was some idiot asking questions about it here and he was told to follow the instructions and he couldn't. So I did it just to verify that it can be done.
3824[20:20:42] <missmbob> greycat: speaking of...any new scripts worth mentioning?
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3828[20:21:30] <greycat> !package basics
3829[20:21:30] <dpkg> "Basics of the Debian package management system" is a chapter of the Debian GNU/Linux <FAQ>, which describes the Debian package format. replaced-url
3830[20:21:37] <greycat> Maybe that was it? I don't even remember where the instructions are.
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3832[20:23:07] <greycat> nmg -> replaced-url
3833[20:23:19] <greycat> It definitely wasn't a PDF.
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3837[20:24:22] <greycat> missmbob: no, nothing really useful in there. The closest thing to a generically useful script is args which is 4 lines.
3838[20:24:51] <FaTony> greycat, I was making orig packages using gui, but now I'm writing a c++ program to do this to me
3839[20:25:03] <greycat> I don't even understand what you are saying.
3840[20:25:10] <FaTony> for me*
3841[20:25:14] <greycat> You create packages by typing commands in an interactive shell. Period.
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3843[20:26:01] <FaTony> I don't know what to type to make a orig.tar.gz, I was using a gui file manager to do that
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3845[20:26:26] <greycat> Just stop doing that and read replaced-url
3846[20:26:45] <greycat> Go slowly. Make sure you actually understand. It may take you an hour or two the first time, but it's all there.
3847[20:26:52] <missmbob> i gotta say i'm curious as to what the fuck he was using
3848[20:27:07] <greycat> I have learned not to ask such questions.
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3850[20:28:09] <FaTony> I think my DE (MATE) uses engrampa to make archives
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3853[20:29:22] <greycat> It really, truly *does not matter* how you have created .tar.gz filese in the past. Creating a Debian *package* is an entirely different procedure.
3854[20:29:42] <ripdisk> so, in order to get a 586 kernel i have to use jessie or previous right
3855[20:30:03] <greycat> You work inside the source-directory and you type magical Debian commands and it spits out the .orig.tar.gz file at the end.
3856[20:30:44] <ripdisk> where can i find jessie?
3857[20:30:51] <missmbob> ripdisk: debian.org
3858[20:30:51] <greycat> replaced-url
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3860[20:31:02] <ripdisk> i'm there, i can only find like
3861[20:31:04] <ripdisk> the newer ones
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3864[20:31:11] <greycat> A Big Green Download Button
3865[20:31:12] <missmbob> jessie is the newest
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3868[20:31:26] <ripdisk> oh...
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3870[20:31:27] <greycat> OK, not as big as I thought. And it's green-on-white.
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3872[20:31:29] <ripdisk> so what does this mean, guys?
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3875[20:31:34] <missmbob> ripdisk: jessie is fine
3876[20:31:36] <FaTony> greycat, I have no idea what creates orig.tar.gz, but "debuild -us -c" makes deb package and reprepro puts it in the repository
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3879[20:31:43] <ripdisk> what does this mean: replaced-url
3880[20:31:44] <missmbob> ripdisk: it's for stretch and later that'll only do 686
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3885[20:31:59] <ripdisk> oh ok
3886[20:32:00] <greycat> !jessie freeze
3887[20:32:00] <dpkg> Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot! Debian 8.0 "Jessie" was frozen on 2014-11-05; no new versions of packages will enter this release and a period of intense bug fixing has begun. See replaced-url
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3891[20:32:25] <ripdisk> so, again, i am having trouble finding the jessie iso images for my usb drive.
3892[20:32:31] <ripdisk> i'm kinda of noobish
3893[20:32:33] <greycat> Any devel-announce stuff dated later than 2014-11-05 is pretty much guaranteed to be for the next release *after* jessie.
3894[20:32:36] <missmbob> top right of the screen
3895[20:33:00] <missmbob> fuck it here replaced-url
3896[20:33:05] <greycat> ripdisk: it's green on white and it says "Download Debian 8.5 (32/64-bit PC Network installer)"
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3898[20:33:26] <ripdisk> wait, so jessie IS the current
3899[20:33:29] <missmbob> yes
3900[20:33:29] <greycat> It becomes white-on-green if you mouse over it.
3901[20:33:38] <ripdisk> ok, i was confused....so that memo is just applying to the next versions?
3902[20:33:42] <missmbob> right
3903[20:33:43] <greycat> Any devel-announce stuff dated later than 2014-11-05 is pretty much guaranteed to be for the next release *after* jessie.
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3905[20:33:54] <ripdisk> but do i have to do a netinst
3906[20:34:04] <missmbob> do whatever you want
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3909[20:34:39] <ripdisk> hmm....i could have sworn i tried this before and it just told me i couldn't do it on a 586 when i tried to boot the installer
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3911[20:35:07] <missmbob> then you probably had just the amd64 one
3912[20:35:18] <missmbob> there are a ton of different images for installing
3913[20:35:30] <greycat> The combo 32/64-bit netinst is pretty new, I think.
3914[20:35:36] <missmbob> yeah
3915[20:35:42] <ripdisk> jesus, so i understand why i have to use netinstaller....cos otherwise i'd have to use three different images
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3918[20:35:58] <missmbob> no one said you *had* to use it
3919[20:36:12] <missmbob> get a full cd if you want. or all dvds. we dont care
3920[20:36:13] <FaTony> wait, does Debian still support Pentium 4?
3921[20:36:25] <missmbob> jesus people everything is fine until stretch
3922[20:36:25] <ripdisk> replaced-url
3923[20:36:30] <greycat> Yes, Pentium 4 is supported.
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3928[20:37:47] <ripdisk> see, all of this is because i bought these two badass little micro computers....they kind of look like raspberry pis, but they're different...and they have sata ssds in them...they're in little really cool cases too
3929[20:38:00] <ripdisk> and i wanna use em
3930[20:38:03] <FaTony> missmbob, and what about Stretch?
3931[20:38:23] <greycat> Stretch Comes Later.
3932[20:38:38] <FaTony> all my pcs are on stretch I think
3933[20:38:45] <missmbob> that's not very bright
3934[20:39:10] <FaTony> jessie is still using g++4, so ancient
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3938[20:40:24] <greycat> I can't believe people actually use C++ .... no wait, I can believe it.
3939[20:40:46] <missmbob> heh. reminds of a recent "halt and catch fire" episode
3940[20:40:54] <FaTony> greycat, what is wrong with c++? It's the best language I've seen
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3942[20:41:10] <ripdisk> wtf i love cpp
3943[20:41:24] <ripdisk> i like it more than all the js people use
3944[20:41:36] <missmbob> you're seriously trying to compare the two?
3945[20:41:54] <missmbob> anyway, good show :P
3946[20:41:59] <ripdisk> i'm a man that likes apples AND oranges
3947[20:42:44] <FaTony> there are c++ interpreters out there so you can compare interpreted c++ and js
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3949[20:44:04] <BinBasher> Can anyone help me with setting up my mail and alarm in gnome?
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3951[20:44:58] <missmbob> i'm sure evolution has some kind of "wizard" that does it all for you. what's the problem? not that i know anything about evolution
3952[20:45:18] <elliot007> anybody using dynamic dns??
3953[20:45:34] <missmbob> !anyone
3954[20:45:34] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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3956[20:46:24] <elliot007> I'm not sure if this is right channel to ask
3957[20:46:42] <greycat> We won't be able to tell if it's the right channel until you ask.
3958[20:46:49] <elliot007> I'm trying to set up a no-ip account
3959[20:46:58] <elliot007> for ftp server on my debian
3960[20:47:00] <elliot007> machine
3961[20:47:24] <elliot007> I've installed proftpd and its working locally
3962[20:47:31] <elliot007> even on my wifi
3963[20:47:58] <elliot007> I then added virtual server on my router at prot 21
3964[20:48:03] <elliot007> *port
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3967[20:48:27] <greycat> "I'm going to just start a stream of consciousness walk through my entire day..."
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3969[20:48:32] <ripdisk> ok guys here we go, about to put the netinst on a usb stick and try to get it running on the micro pc
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3971[20:48:44] <missmbob> ripdisk: stop. how are you going to put it on the stick?
3972[20:48:53] <ripdisk> i know how to do it
3973[20:48:59] <ripdisk> i do it all the time with other distros
3974[20:49:05] <ripdisk> i'm not THAT much of a noob
3975[20:49:08] <missmbob> yeah. those methods dont work often on debian
3976[20:49:13] <missmbob> we use hybrid images
3977[20:49:16] <ripdisk> i prefer using rufus on my machine.
3978[20:49:22] <missmbob> !rufus
3979[20:49:22] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
3980[20:49:27] <missmbob> ripdisk: see? doing it wrong
3981[20:49:29] <Agialsa> SynrG, jelly missmbob replaced-url
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3983[20:49:37] <ripdisk> rufus works fine with the regular installer.
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3985[20:49:50] <missmbob> i really dont care. do what you want
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3988[20:50:37] <ripdisk> i'm gonna try to use rufus.
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3993[20:51:46] <BinBasher> missmbob: whenever I set an alarm with normal sound and system sound on it doesn't work (maybe a sound file problem?) and I want to get mail from evolution in my notifications bar without having to start it up every time I reboot (so basically get it to work in the background as a service)
3994[20:52:04] <BinBasher> and the sound thing is for the mail too
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3996[20:52:39] <missmbob> BinBasher: gnome should have a "session and startup" settings in it's control panel. add evolution to that list to startup
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3999[20:53:08] <missmbob> BinBasher: i'm pretty sure evolution doesn't have a tray icon. but it does do desktop notifications
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4001[20:53:43] <AndroUser> Finally
4002[20:53:53] <appas> how should i go about this: there being a timeout when the screen turns black, to turn off the backlight when this happens? i know i can turn off the backlight on my samsung netbook with samsung-tools --backlight off, but i don't know how to make this trigger when xfce4-power-manager turns the display black, and then reverse also?
4003[20:54:03] <missmbob> BinBasher: mail-notification package will give you the tray if you want
4004[20:54:03] <mw> I'm still waiting for a question on dyndns... after that build up I can't help but feel stood up
4005[20:54:11] <AndroUser> Fk,i made it up to boot tinycore from my smartphone
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4007[20:54:32] <AndroUser> Now how to get the logs of kernel panic shit
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4010[20:54:57] <missmbob> pstore if you can
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4012[20:55:20] <bullpoop> So...
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4014[20:55:31] <missmbob> so what?
4015[20:55:37] <mw> bullpoop: sick nick!
4016[20:55:54] <bullpoop> No poop fatha
4017[20:56:10] <bullpoop> I got this kernel panic error at boot
4018[20:56:11] <appas> mw: your nick is my initials
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4020[20:56:22] <missmbob> 18:54 < missmbob> pstore if you can
4021[20:56:34] <bullpoop> I cant
4022[20:56:39] <missmbob> serial?
4023[20:56:41] <mw> appas: mine to :)
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4025[20:56:49] <bullpoop> where r the logs of grub ffs
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4028[20:57:04] <missmbob> /ignore it is
4029[20:57:06] <bullpoop> Tinycorelinux
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4031[20:58:03] <bullpoop> Can anyone help me on the kernel pani c init killed issue
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4033[20:58:33] <ripdisk> sweet, the installation worked fine even when i put it on the stick with Rufus via windows. it's intalling! on one of the micro PCs i bought!
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4035[20:58:35] <greycat> bullpoop: "tinycorelinux" is not Debian. It is not supported here.
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4039[20:58:48] <frfsake> But the issue is in debian
4040[20:58:48] <ripdisk> these things were so cool....i paid 20 bucks for two of them....found out they had SSDs in them
4041[20:59:03] <frfsake> I just booted in tiny to fix this fk
4042[20:59:05] <greycat> frfsake: #tinycorelinux exists and is probably the correct channel for your OS.
4043[20:59:16] <frfsake> Dude read the fuck
4044[20:59:22] <frfsake> XD
4045[20:59:34] <koowgnojeel> Hi, I did apt-get update & upgrade yesterday and I have upgrade version of Chromium. Now how can I get my previous version of Chromium with aptitude or apt-* tool? (downgrade?)
4046[20:59:37] <appas> ripdisk: sounds neat, link?
4047[20:59:57] <greycat> Now he has changed nicks *twice*. I'm going to have to find his hostmask to ignore him. What an ass.
4048[21:00:11] <frfsake> Why?
4049[21:00:15] <greycat> 15:00 Ignoring ALL from *!*@197.113.93.131
4050[21:00:26] <ripdisk> appas, no....i got them at a swapmeet
4051[21:00:28] <frfsake> Am free to change my nick cunt lol
4052[21:00:45] <ripdisk> however, the model of micro PC they are is uh
4053[21:01:01] <koowgnojeel> Downgrade an individual package with apt please? :P
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4055[21:01:08] <greycat> !downgrade
4056[21:01:08] <ripdisk> 3300MX-HAP
4057[21:01:08] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
4058[21:01:21] <koowgnojeel> greycat: Thanks :)
4059[21:01:24] <ripdisk> 3300MX-HAP is the type of PC it is....kind of cool, has sata support and everything, network, usb
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4061[21:01:29] <frfsake> !kernel panic
4062[21:01:29] <dpkg> [kernel panic] any issue presented to the kernel that it cannot handle. Ask me about <norootfs> for "missing root filesystem", or check your LILO/GRUB config. See the Documentation directory in the source for capturing and printing good stack traces and <regression> testing; see also <netconsole>, <serial console>.
4063[21:01:31] <ripdisk> @ apb1963_
4064[21:01:34] <ripdisk> er, at appas
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4066[21:02:14] <frfsake> !fuck you i dont need no explanation tell me how to fix
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4068[21:02:24] <koowgnojeel> greycat: How do I get list of version for Chromium ?
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4070[21:02:41] <missmbob> greycat: arent you an op? he's going insane.
4071[21:02:56] <frfsake> I thought u ignored me lol
4072[21:03:01] <missmbob> !tell koowgnojeel about snapshot
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4076[21:03:09] <missmbob> frfsake: then you changed your nick dumbass
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4078[21:03:20] <koowgnojeel> missmbob: Thanks @_@
4079[21:03:30] <frfsake> I thought ignoring is by ip address lol
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4081[21:03:44] <`Kevin> -> ignore *!*@197.113.93.131
4082[21:03:45] <`Kevin> :)
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4085[21:03:55] <ripdisk> appas, did you look them up
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4087[21:04:02] <missmbob> yeah, i know how :P helps the whole channel if an op does it
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4090[21:04:09] <`Kevin> missmbob: agreed
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4094[21:04:16] <koowgnojeel> >_< no easy way - Thanks Debian :)
4095[21:04:19] <frfsake> So anyone knows how to fix kernel panic
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4100[21:04:58] <appas> ripdisk: yup, in the process of :)
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4103[21:05:11] <greycat> It's rare that you ever want to downgrade from a specific stable version of a package to a slightly older stable version of the same pacakge, so you either (a) have the old one in /var/cache or (b) pull it out of the pool on a one-time basis.
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4112[21:05:55] <ripdisk> HOLY CRAP, appas! i just finally found out what size the SSD is! it's actually pretty good size! 320GB
4113[21:06:11] <ripdisk> dude i paid 20 bucks for two 320GB ssd
4114[21:06:21] <klys> wow neato
4115[21:06:21] <ripdisk> like, aside from the fact that they're in cool micro pcs
4116[21:06:22] <appas> ripdisk: that's a very good deal, my man
4117[21:06:30] <ripdisk> i just wanted the micro pcs
4118[21:06:31] <ripdisk> but wow
4119[21:06:35] <`Kevin> its a good deal or his name fits :)
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4127[21:07:12] <RoyK> ripdisk: where did you buy them? how's the performance?
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4132[21:08:11] <ripdisk> i got them at the swapmeet, and i gave appas the model number of them so i dnno if he looked it up... 3300MX-HAP is what they are... @ RoyK
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4134[21:08:17] <ripdisk> 20 bucks for two.
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4136[21:09:42] <ripdisk> one of them is gonna go in my little rack case here.... and the other i'm gonna set up to run a wifi card, and it's gonna go under the TV in the livingroom
4137[21:09:58] <ripdisk> for downloading and playing movies
4138[21:10:02] <ripdisk> hopefully it'll work for that
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4141[21:10:50] <Agialsa> where can i find the CFLAGS file in a build directory
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4143[21:11:38] <greycat> inside debian/rules
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4145[21:11:49] <FaTony> Agialsa, it's not a file, it's an environment variable I think
4146[21:11:54] <greycat> It is not.
4147[21:12:00] <FaTony> hmm
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4149[21:12:15] <greycat> debian/rules is a Makefile that contains the build instructions for the package
4150[21:12:29] <Agialsa> Try first disabling -Werror by removing it from CFLAGS or grepping it in your source directory recursively: fgrep -lr -- -Werror ., then removing it from each found file.
4151[21:12:44] <greycat> what.
4152[21:13:03] <greycat> Are you actually building a Debian package, or something else?
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4154[21:13:21] <FaTony> Agialsa, CFLAGS is a variable that is used in makefiles, I'm not sure where the default value is defined
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4156[21:14:02] <greycat> There isn't a default, unless you specified something on the command line when you ran ./configure ASSUMING THIS IS A GNU AUTOCONF controlled build at all.
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4158[21:14:10] <greycat> Please tell us WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
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4162[21:15:23] <Agialsa> ok i'm trying to compile alsa on debian here is my compile error replaced-url
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4165[21:15:42] <greycat> Why are you trying to "compile alsa"?
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4167[21:15:56] <Agialsa> because my sound card is not working at all
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4170[21:16:23] <Agialsa> its not even found with aplay -l
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4173[21:17:18] <greycat> Then start by telling us what sound card you have, including its PCI ID.
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4177[21:18:04] <Agialsa> ok here we go
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4181[21:19:15] <missmbob> Agialsa: you were here yesterday with this, right? or was that someone else?
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4184[21:19:53] <Agialsa> yes
4185[21:19:55] <Agialsa> i was
4186[21:20:04] <missmbob> you got jessie-backports and what else to try to make it work?
4187[21:20:12] <missmbob> jessie-backports kernel*
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4189[21:20:30] <Agialsa> greycat, replaced-url
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4193[21:20:38] <Agialsa> missmbob, no i fixed the vga problem
4194[21:20:42] <Agialsa> now i have no sound
4195[21:20:52] <Agialsa> sound card is not recognized
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4200[21:21:36] <greycat> How come none of those three pastes contains the device's PCI ID :(
4201[21:21:37] <Agialsa> greycat, missmbob onboard sound card replaced-url
4202[21:21:45] <Agialsa> sorry
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4207[21:22:31] <Agialsa> greycat, 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device a170 (rev 31) is that the pc ID ?
4208[21:22:39] <greycat> lspci -nn | grep Audio
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4210[21:22:52] <Agialsa> 00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:a170] (rev 31)
4211[21:22:56] <Agialsa> thats it
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4213[21:23:06] <Agialsa> aplay -l
4214[21:23:06] <Agialsa> aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found...
4215[21:23:10] <missmbob> huh
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4219[21:23:48] <greycat> judd, pciid 8086:a170
4220[21:23:49] <judd> [8086:a170] is 'Sunrise Point-H HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
4221[21:24:05] <greycat> Judd thinks it should work with jessie's kernel. I don't know anything beyond that.
4222[21:24:24] <Agialsa> also here is alsa info replaced-url
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4226[21:24:58] <Agialsa> uname -a
4227[21:24:58] <Agialsa> Linux athenaPC 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux
4228[21:25:11] <greycat> I have no idea what the hell that replaced-url
4229[21:25:29] <greycat> It doesn't appear to be instructions for what to do with an 8086:a170 card.
4230[21:25:29] <Agialsa> its alsa info of my pc hardware
4231[21:25:57] <greycat> so it's something YOU created, but it's somehow hosted on alsa-project.org ...
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4234[21:26:20] <missmbob> there is #alsa ...i dont know much about sound
4235[21:26:21] <Agialsa> its an alsa script
4236[21:26:27] <Agialsa> [ 1.942178] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: CORB reset timeout#1, CORBRP = 0
4237[21:26:27] <Agialsa> [ 1.943704] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: no codecs found!
4238[21:26:41] <Agialsa> anyway back to square 1 compile alsa
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4240[21:27:03] <greycat> If the driver in jessie does not work, then you need advice from someone with *serious* sound knowledge. Dumping random shit you ran from commands you found on random websites is not helping.
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4243[21:27:35] <greycat> WHO told you to compile an ALSA kernel driver? Why? Which driver?
4244[21:27:38] <jhutchins_wk> ,pciid 8086:a170
4245[21:27:39] <judd> [8086:a170] is 'Sunrise Point-H HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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4248[21:28:06] <jhutchins_wk> Agialsa: Which kernel are you on?
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4250[21:28:26] <Agialsa> uname -a
4251[21:28:26] <Agialsa> Linux athenaPC 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux
4252[21:28:26] <missmbob> no scroll? 4.6.4 bpo
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4254[21:28:59] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: No pay attention. Sry.
4255[21:29:14] <Agialsa> greycat, maybe i need a newer version of alsa
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4258[21:30:04] <Agialsa> greycat, that script is produced i think from the lasa developers
4259[21:30:07] <Agialsa> alsa*
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4261[21:30:42] <greycat> If the drivers in Debian are not working, then you can file a bug report against the Debian kernel packages, or you can ask in an ALSA channel, or you can try the debian-user mailing list, but that's a mixed bag.
4262[21:30:45] <missmbob> Agialsa: you have tried #alsa, right?
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4264[21:31:11] <greycat> What you should NOT do is just randomly decide to build a KERNEL DRIVER. This is not a default path that you take.
4265[21:31:21] <Agialsa> its not such an active channel
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4267[21:31:57] <Agialsa> back in the days it was the only way to go and it solved issues i've years to do it
4268[21:32:08] <greycat> Well, if you went there and said "here's the dump of my build" with NO CONTEXT, it's unsurprising they would ignore you.
4269[21:32:15] <Agialsa> its wirth a try
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4271[21:32:31] <Agialsa> its not really active
4272[21:32:36] <jhutchins_wk> Agialsa: replaced-url
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4274[21:33:11] <jhutchins_wk> ,v libasound2
4275[21:33:12] <judd> Package: libasound2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25-4; jessie: 1.0.28-1; sid: 1.1.2-1; stretch: 1.1.2-1
4276[21:33:31] <jhutchins_wk> ,v alsa-utils
4277[21:33:32] <judd> Package: alsa-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25-4; jessie: 1.0.28-1; sid: 1.1.2-1; stretch: 1.1.2-1
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4282[21:35:10] <LostSoul> Hi
4283[21:35:12] <greycat> I'm curious whether the jessie kernel worked and his jessie-backports kernel did not.
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4285[21:35:20] <missmbob> good question
4286[21:35:26] <LostSoul> I don't know if it's debian or just fail2ban, but when I restart fail2ban I'm getting:
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4288[21:35:34] <missmbob> i dont think he got to it because of his vga problem with jessie kernel
4289[21:35:35] <Agialsa> greycat, say that again :)
4290[21:35:37] <LostSoul> Active: active (exited) since Thu 2016-09-08 21:34:40 CEST; 2s ago
4291[21:35:39] <greycat> I'm also curious what "JMC_791" did and got as results in that thread.
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4293[21:35:44] <LostSoul> Process: 8805 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/fail2ban start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
4294[21:35:58] <LostSoul> But process is not running and I can see below that:
4295[21:36:10] <jhutchins_wk> !tell Agialsa about ssb
4296[21:36:13] <missmbob> LostSoul: fail2ban isnt a process.
4297[21:36:15] <LostSoul> fail2ban[8805]: ERROR Failed during configuration: File contains parsing errors: /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/hax.conf
4298[21:36:19] <LostSoul> hmm..
4299[21:36:23] <Agialsa> jhutchins_wk, did he solve it ? shoul di try his solution?
4300[21:36:26] <LostSoul> missmbob: Mind elaborating on it?
4301[21:36:30] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: of the userspace ALSA library/utils? Instead of the driver?
4302[21:36:35] <missmbob> LostSoul: it's not real time. it just checks the logs every now and then
4303[21:36:48] <LostSoul> As I don't know how to check it, I mean verify if it's running when I deploy stuff with Ansible
4304[21:36:48] <missmbob> LostSoul: cronjob
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4306[21:36:57] <greycat> LostSoul: well, seems pretty clear you want to check that file for errors.
4307[21:37:04] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: The kernel's pretty current.
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4311[21:37:34] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Although you would think if the kernel module were new enough, it would pull the name from the pcidb.
4312[21:37:45] <LostSoul> greycat: Yeah, but I was rather into, why service restart or systemctl didn't give me error
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4315[21:38:05] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: This is solved on Ubuntu, which has alsa 1.1.0.
4316[21:38:12] <greycat> LostSoul: looks like it's falling back to sysvinit scripts, and the script exited with status 0 (success).
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4318[21:38:17] <LostSoul> Last time I saw f2b stopped and wasn't running for a week and I used service start like 10 times and it started 10 "instance" of it
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4321[21:38:36] <LostSoul> Damn, thanks greycat, that might be true, I guess it is
4322[21:38:38] <greycat> ,checkbackport libasound2
4323[21:38:39] <judd> Backporting package libasound2 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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4326[21:39:14] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: Agialsa: well, OK, if you think building the sid *userspace* libasound2/alsa pacakges (not the kernel driver!!!) might help, then go for it.
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4332[21:41:29] <Agialsa> jhutchins_wk, what should i do ?
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4335[21:42:05] <jhutchins_wk> In the one solved example I've found, the Ubuntu user was able to get it working simply by reinstalling libasound2, alsa-utils, and alsa-tools. They had done some messing about with dkms but it appeared that was unsuccessful.
4336[21:42:27] <Agialsa> jhutchins_wk, i found a solution on ubuntu and asked if i could install ppa debian packages for ubuntu but they told me not to
4337[21:42:40] <greycat> DO NOT install ubuntu packages
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4339[21:42:43] <Agialsa> ok
4340[21:42:45] <Agialsa> :)
4341[21:42:45] <jhutchins_wk> Agialsa: That is correct.
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4343[21:43:07] <Agialsa> so what should i do reinstall libasound2, alsa-utils, and alsa-tools ?
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4345[21:43:26] <greycat> *IF* it turns out that you need userspace ALSA version 1.1 for this device, then the correct path would be for you to backport the sid source package to jessie.
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4348[21:43:42] <greycat> You can try reinstalling those packages from jessie first, because that is simpler.
4349[21:43:50] <Agialsa> who me ?
4350[21:44:19] <Agialsa> complete removal via synaptic?
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4353[21:44:34] <Agialsa> and reinstall ?
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4356[21:45:30] <greycat> apt-get --reinstall install libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-tools
4357[21:45:34] <Agialsa> mark thise packages for reinstallation?
4358[21:45:38] <greycat> going by jhutchins_wk 's list
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4360[21:45:52] <greycat> fuck these GUI/pseudoGUI tools
4361[21:46:17] <Agialsa> synaptic is not so bad
4362[21:46:22] <Agialsa> ok done
4363[21:46:25] <Agialsa> reboot?
4364[21:47:05] <Agialsa> aplay -l
4365[21:47:05] <Agialsa> aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found...
4366[21:47:08] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: According to this, it should be supported: replaced-url
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4369[21:47:26] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: It's not clear which version adds the a170 support thoughg.
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4375[21:49:06] <`Kevin> jhutchins_wk: replaced-url
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4377[21:49:34] <`Kevin> .. what your link points out
4378[21:49:40] <missmbob> yeah. makes no sense
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4381[21:50:18] <`Kevin> (3.18)
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4383[21:51:09] <Agialsa> ok i'm going to try out on stock stable kernel 3.18 that was
4384[21:51:10] <Agialsa> ok
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4386[21:51:14] <Agialsa> ?
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4388[21:51:26] <missmbob> jessie is 3.16
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4391[21:51:39] <Agialsa> yeah that one
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4393[21:51:45] <missmbob> that wouldn't work
4394[21:51:52] <Agialsa> i just hope i jave an entry in grub
4395[21:51:59] <greycat> How did we determine that it needs 3.18?
4396[21:52:05] <jhutchins_wk> Agialsa: I would expect that 3.16 would not have it, but that 4.whatsit should, anythin after 3.18
4397[21:52:10] <missmbob> taking `Kevin's link at its word
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4399[21:52:19] <Arone> a
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4401[21:52:26] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Kevin tracked down the commit that supports the a170
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4412[21:53:48] <greycat> But we don't know whether the same fix was backported into a 3.16.x Debian kernel...?
4413[21:53:57] <greycat> Well, I guess Agialsa will try it and see.
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4416[21:54:25] <`Kevin> greycat: correct, I didn't dig that far..
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4418[21:54:37] <kfogel> I dist-upgraded today (do so every day) and rebooted (
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4421[21:54:39] <kfogel> oops
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4424[21:55:30] <kfogel> I dist-upgraded today (do so every day) and rebooted (about once a week), and suddenly my external monitor support was mildly broken: the monitor works, but Gnome3 only managed the display as one continuous display together with the laptop's own screen.
4425[21:55:37] <missmbob> !debian-next
4426[21:55:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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4429[21:55:49] <kfogel> missmbob: gotcha
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4431[21:55:54] <kfogel> missmbob: thank you
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4433[21:55:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think that factoid should mention more that it's on oftc
4434[21:56:15] <missmbob> it does. says testing/unstable go the fuck there :P
4435[21:56:23] <greycat> Yeah, saying it 3 times is not enough, obviously.
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4444[22:00:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> right. how's anyone supposed to get that
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4449[22:03:08] <`Kevin> Agialsa: didnt you already post that you are on kernel 4.6 thou?
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4452[22:03:29] <jhutchins_wk> `Kevin: Yes, she's on the bpo
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4454[22:03:46] <Agialsa> yes i am
4455[22:03:50] <greycat> But may have others installed also.
4456[22:03:50] <jhutchins_wk> `Kevin: We would expect that patch to be "3.18 and anything later".
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4458[22:04:08] <Agialsa> greycat, maybe i should apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base linux-image-??? libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-tools do it with the linuximage ?
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4461[22:04:37] <`Kevin> jhutchins_wk: at least as per git commits that is the case here
4462[22:04:37] <greycat> Reinstalling the kernel is unlikely to be the key. I don't know what that Ubuntu person did, because of course he didn't *post* about it.
4463[22:04:58] <greycat> Even reinstalling the userspace packages is a long shot, but it's *easy* so you can try it and see if it works.
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4472[22:08:17] <Agialsa> userspace packages
4473[22:08:19] <Agialsa> ?
4474[22:09:25] <greycat> What did you try so far? What were your results?
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4477[22:10:01] <Agialsa> well i am trying to reload the module with different options but no success ftb
4478[22:10:15] <Agialsa> going to reboot
4479[22:10:23] <Agialsa> and try older kernel
4480[22:10:26] <Agialsa> ok ?
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4486[22:11:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> mmh, can I have a digest of that problem?
4487[22:12:07] <greycat> Apparently it started on a previous day.
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4490[22:13:10] <Agialsa> still the same
4491[22:13:31] <Agialsa> aplay -l
4492[22:13:31] <Agialsa> aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found...
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4494[22:13:50] <greycat> What have you tried so far? What was the result of each trial?
4495[22:14:11] <missmbob> is anyone working on a stretch live cd? i haven't heard anything since the lead guy left about a year ago
4496[22:14:45] <Agialsa> well now i'm on 3.16
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4498[22:14:50] <Agialsa> and no sound
4499[22:15:11] <greycat> So, you've tried jessie 3.16 and jessie-backports 4.6 and they both failed?
4500[22:15:16] <Agialsa> i tried compiling alsa but got an error for alsa.driver while issuing make
4501[22:15:21] <Agialsa> yes
4502[22:15:23] <Agialsa> bith
4503[22:15:25] <Agialsa> both
4504[22:15:38] <greycat> And you've tried reinstalling the userspace alsa/asound packages? And that made no difference?
4505[22:16:10] <Agialsa> yes from the command you issued earlier if thats what you are referring to
4506[22:16:31] <greycat> the relevant userspace packages are alsa-utils and libasound2 (I think)
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4509[22:18:04] <Agialsa> greycat, libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-tools
4510[22:18:15] <Agialsa> i'll try once again
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4514[22:19:14] <Agialsa> greycat, apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-tools
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4520[22:21:36] <Agialsa> [ 589.863604] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: CORB reset timeout#1, CORBRP = 0
4521[22:21:36] <Agialsa> [ 589.863609] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: no codecs found!
4522[22:21:48] <greycat> No difference, which is not a surprise.
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4528[22:22:21] <greycat> OK, if #alsa *still* hasn't given you any different advice then I guess the next step is backporting the sid source of alsa-utils/libasound2 to jessie.
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4530[22:23:09] <Agialsa> how would i do that ?
4531[22:23:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, you already were at the point that it's pciid 8086:a170 and --> replaced-url
4532[22:23:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> is there any indication that that card is supported by any existing linux kernel//alsa module
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4535[22:24:28] <greycat> `kevin found a linux commit saying 3.18, 3.19, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, ..., 4.8
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4537[22:25:17] <greycat> Which seems to imply the bpo 4.6 kernel should be working, so trying the newer userspace packages seems like a possible next step.
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4539[22:25:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> uh, no *codecs* found?
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4547[22:27:17] <`Kevin> greycat: I was thinking that but his lspci didn't list the sub vendor id in this case `Sunrise Point-H HD Audio...`
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4550[22:27:42] <`Kevin> is that a function of lspci or the pci mapping in hda_intel.c i linked
4551[22:27:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> Agialsa, just to get more of an impression, what does lsmod|grep snd say?
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4553[22:28:11] <greycat> here's one that says "stretch worked": replaced-url
4554[22:28:17] <`Kevin> I was expecting his lspci to list the sub vendor id under this 4.x kernel but maybe im wrong
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4556[22:28:23] <`Kevin> under his*
4557[22:29:06] <Agialsa> CutMeOwnThroat, replaced-url
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4560[22:29:31] <Agialsa> now i'm on 3.16 though
4561[22:29:38] <greycat> I think lspci has its own database that it uses for this stuff. Not sure.
4562[22:29:57] <towo`> replaced-url
4563[22:30:06] <towo`> i would try this patch
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4565[22:30:19] <greycat> Agialsa: I would reboot to the 4.6 kernel for the next steps, since we have pretty strong evidence that it isn't supported at least in a *base* 3.16
4566[22:30:26] <Agialsa> i'm going to boot with backport kernel and reinstall alsa packages and kerel
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4568[22:30:29] <Agialsa> ok
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4571[22:30:51] <greycat> I thought we were past the "reinstall pacakges" stage already.
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4576[22:31:38] <Agialsa> ok back
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4583[22:33:19] <Agialsa> replaced-url
4584[22:33:33] <greycat> please for the love of god stop making me load web pages
4585[22:33:45] <`Kevin> greycat: yep it has its own IDs db you are correct :)
4586[22:33:52] <Agialsa> ok sorry
4587[22:34:05] <Agialsa> :)
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4589[22:34:15] <greycat> So you've tried 3.16, and 4.6, and reinstalling the userspace ALSA pkgs *three or more times*.
4590[22:34:22] <Agialsa> yes
4591[22:34:36] <greycat> Next step, unless #alsa has given you better advice, is backporting sid libasound2 source package to jessie.
4592[22:34:41] <Agialsa> and feel like reinstall the packages with the kernel
4593[22:35:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> shouldn't there at the very least be snd_hda_codec_generic ?
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4598[22:35:56] <towo`> again: replaced-url
4599[22:36:07] <greycat> STUPID FUCKING URLS
4600[22:36:23] <teraflops> heh
4601[22:36:23] <greycat> WHAT IS IT, WHY IS IT RELEVANT, WHY SHOULD I LOOK AT IT
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4603[22:36:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> but urls are cool, they point to stuff on the internets
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4608[22:37:57] <Agialsa> apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-tools linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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4610[22:38:02] <teraflops> greycat: a bot that grabs urls could be a good idea
4611[22:38:12] <greycat> If you really need the patch that towo is linking to, this problem just got WAY the fuck harder.
4612[22:38:29] <Agialsa> :)
4613[22:38:35] <greycat> Agialsa: IF REINSTALLING THE PACKAGES THREE TIMES DIDN'T WORK, WHY ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT A FOURTH TIME
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4616[22:38:55] <Agialsa> because i'm doing it with the kernel image
4617[22:38:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> because of the most precious thing on the world, called hope?
4618[22:39:04] <Agialsa> maybe its tsupid but its worth a try
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4622[22:40:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> "no response from codec" from that bug doesn't look like anything you've shown of your case
4623[22:40:56] <greycat> And we have a report from someone with an :a170 working on stretch but not jessie.
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4625[22:41:25] <Agialsa> ok
4626[22:41:40] <Agialsa> that didn't work maybe i should reboot
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4632[22:44:13] <Agialsa> ok nada
4633[22:44:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> looks a bit like this: replaced-url
4634[22:44:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> heh. and I was going to suggest you just get a cheapish external usb audio interface
4635[22:44:48] <Agialsa> backporting sid libasound2 source package to jessie
4636[22:44:53] <Agialsa> is the way ?
4637[22:44:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> or an usb headset, which is the same thing
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4640[22:46:27] <Agialsa> i was looking on a site for a pci-e sound card or a usb sound card
4641[22:46:45] <greycat> OK, yes, "buy different hardware" is also a solution.
4642[22:47:01] <Agialsa> ok how do i back sid libasound2 source package to jessie
4643[22:47:05] <greycat> Short of that, the only thing you haven't tried yet, that we've suggested, is backporting the sid libasound2.
4644[22:47:15] <greycat> !tell Agialsa about simple sid backport
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4646[22:48:15] <Agialsa> check for a backport on <debian-backports> ?
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4648[22:48:27] <Agialsa> check in sources.list?
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4650[22:48:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> I mean… you can get a crappy usb audio card/adapter on ebay for like $1 … which will of course be crappy, but give sound
4651[22:49:01] <Agialsa> ?
4652[22:49:13] <greycat> We've already checked. There are no backports.
4653[22:49:17] <Agialsa> ok
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4660[22:50:19] <Agialsa> ok
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4662[22:50:35] <Agialsa> now i add deb-src replaced-url
4663[22:51:01] <greycat> sounds right...
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4665[22:51:33] <Agialsa> ok
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4667[22:51:52] <Agialsa> i already have backports enabled
4668[22:51:55] <Agialsa> right ?
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4671[22:52:45] <Agialsa> aptitude update ? aptitude install build-essential
4672[22:52:47] <Agialsa> ?
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4676[22:54:21] <Agialsa> aptitude install build-essential
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4679[22:55:03] <Agialsa> aptitude build-dep libasound2 greycat ?
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4682[22:55:49] <Agialsa> greycat, is that what i issue?
4683[22:55:59] <Agialsa> or anyone else?
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4687[22:56:50] <Agialsa> i hope this will not break my system
4688[22:56:50] <greycat> The bot already told you what to do.
4689[22:57:01] <Agialsa> i'm just not sure
4690[22:57:17] <Agialsa> so package name is libasound2 right ?
4691[22:57:25] <greycat> The result of backporting a source package is a set of .deb files, which you can then install. If they don't work, you can revert back to the jessie versions.
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4693[22:57:54] <greycat> It's unlikely that libasound2 or alsa-utils would render the system unusable in some catastrophic way.
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4696[22:58:35] <Agialsa> ok built the deps
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4702[23:00:02] <Agialsa> ok its compiling source of libasound2
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4708[23:00:29] <Agialsa> got an error though
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4710[23:01:11] <Agialsa> greycat, replaced-url
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4712[23:01:56] <greycat> Eek. Looks like it needs a backported debhelper package too.
4713[23:02:09] <greycat> debhelper: /usr/bin/dh_strip
4714[23:02:50] <greycat> If that's the *only* thing it needs, then you can backport that and it should be OK, but if there are more, it could get ugly.
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4717[23:02:58] <Agialsa> aptitude build-dep debhelper ?
4718[23:03:49] <Agialsa> do you want more logs from make ?
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4720[23:03:56] <greycat> No, I don't.
4721[23:04:04] <Agialsa> should i install debhelper is it a package?
4722[23:04:08] <greycat> Either try backporting debhelper (same procedure), or ask #alsa.
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4724[23:04:34] <greycat> You already have the jessie version of debhelper, but this source pacakge is using options that aren't in jessie.
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4726[23:04:59] <Agialsa> is it a new version ?
4727[23:05:04] <Agialsa> ok got the source
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4729[23:05:06] <Agialsa> now to compile
4730[23:06:23] <Agialsa> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: dpkg-dev (>= 1.18.0~)
4731[23:06:23] <Agialsa> dpkg-buildpackage: warning: build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting
4732[23:06:23] <Agialsa> dpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.)
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4734[23:06:33] <Agialsa> -d flag ?
4735[23:06:48] <greycat> crap.
4736[23:06:55] <Agialsa> apt-get -d -b source debhelper
4737[23:06:58] <Agialsa> ?
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4742[23:07:13] <greycat> No, that is not what it means.
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4745[23:07:26] <Agialsa> ok
4746[23:07:37] <Agialsa> deps of deps of deps
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4748[23:07:50] <Agialsa> into the rabbit hole
4749[23:08:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> might be a bear's cave
4750[23:08:14] <greycat> It's saying that it also wants a newer version of dpkg-dev.
4751[23:08:20] <greycat> As I warned earlier, if it wants more and more and more, it could get UGLY.
4752[23:08:30] <greycat> judd lied to us.
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4754[23:08:39] <greycat> ,checkbackport libasound2
4755[23:08:40] <judd> Backporting package libasound2 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
4756[23:08:41] <greycat> LIAR!
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4759[23:09:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd would never lie to us
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4761[23:09:37] <Agialsa> do i have to revert back by commenting out the src line of sid in sources.list?
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4763[23:09:49] <greycat> You only added a deb-src line for sid, not a deb line.
4764[23:09:55] <greycat> You can leave it like that.
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4769[23:10:37] <Agialsa> now only solution would be to compile alsa from scratch?
4770[23:10:53] <Agialsa> or by usb sound card:P
4771[23:10:54] <greycat> What do you even MEAN by that?
4772[23:11:06] <greycat> Are you talking about compiling the userspace alsa programs, or a driver, or what?
4773[23:11:17] <Agialsa> rephrasing to compile alsa
4774[23:11:21] <greycat> And why is that your goto option instead of backporting dpkg-dev and seeing what breaks next?
4775[23:11:31] <greycat> What does "compile alsa" MEAN TO YOU?
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4777[23:11:46] <Agialsa> ok lets go down the hole
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4780[23:13:14] <erm3nda> Hi guys. I am a current user of Debian. I wanna know to test out other "really stable" distro, but im a lot unsure what to try now. Im trying to decide between Elive, Ubuntu, Arch and Fedora.
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4783[23:13:24] <Agialsa> just afraid of breaking my system
4784[23:13:34] <erm3nda> I would really appreciate any real suggestion about that. Thanks.
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4787[23:14:34] <erm3nda> Agialsa, backup.
4788[23:14:42] <greycat> compiling an upstream alsa userspace-utilities tarball is more likely to break your system than carefully backporting deb-src
4789[23:14:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> there's anyone who calls arch "really stable"?
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4791[23:15:11] <greycat> compiling an upstream KERNEL DRIVER is also a thing you really, really want to be sure you need to do before tryhing it
4792[23:15:13] <erm3nda> i don't know arch, but if it is, i will give a try. If is not, is out of my list
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4794[23:15:22] <Agialsa> ok still compiling
4795[23:15:27] <stoned> stable means different things to different people.
4796[23:15:39] <Agialsa> ok still compiling dpkg-dev
4797[23:15:42] <erm3nda> sure, just dump your suggestion, please.
4798[23:15:52] <erm3nda> if you can add any reasoning to it, i will kindly read it.
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4800[23:15:53] <stoned> This is not a suggestion dump
4801[23:15:56] <stoned> this is support
4802[23:16:02] <greycat> !why debian
4803[23:16:02] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
4804[23:16:09] <erm3nda> where can i found a suggestion channel?
4805[23:16:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> of the ones you named, possibly fedora
4806[23:16:21] <greycat> If you want to compare distros, maybe ##linux
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4808[23:16:28] <Agialsa> greycat, i think i have a winner?
4809[23:16:31] <Agialsa> dpkg-deb: building package `dpkg-dev' in `../dpkg-dev_1.18.10_all.deb'
4810[23:16:43] <erm3nda> Thank you CutMeOwnThroat, is the first on my current list.
4811[23:16:50] <Agialsa> install the resultant debs ?
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4814[23:17:08] <erm3nda> thx greycat , ill see.
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4816[23:17:16] <stoned> If you ever ask me what to install, the answer is always debian stable.
4817[23:17:42] <erm3nda> I actually use Debian 8 and i have no problem with it. Now wanna know another good distro.
4818[23:17:46] <erm3nda> Thats all.
4819[23:17:52] <stoned> Sure. ##linux
4820[23:18:01] <Agialsa> greycat, do i install dpkg_1.18.10_amd64.deb the resultant with dpkg -i ?
4821[23:18:03] <stoned> Try distrowatch!
4822[23:18:08] <stoned> I hear they have a good websitey
4823[23:18:19] <greycat> Agialsa: I would only install dpkg-dev for now.
4824[23:18:28] <Agialsa> all the debs ?
4825[23:18:29] <Agialsa> ok
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4828[23:18:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> why do you need dpkg-dev newer than in jessie?
4829[23:18:53] <Agialsa> apt-get install dpkg-dev ?
4830[23:18:57] <missmbob> because reasons, man
4831[23:19:00] <greycat> backport of libasound2 needed newer debhelper, which then needed newer dpkg-dev
4832[23:19:11] <greycat> Agialsa: the ONE YOU JUST BUILT. dpkg -i.
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4834[23:19:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, just took some time to get to an error
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4836[23:19:29] <Agialsa> the bot says install resultant debs from where the dir i'm in ?
4837[23:19:34] <Agialsa> ok
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4839[23:19:56] <greycat> *IF* the next iteration is "needs newer dpkg" then you have to consider whether you want to install the backported dpkg, or just say "fuck it" and upgrade the whole damned system to stretch
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4841[23:19:57] <Agialsa> dpkg-dev_1.18.10_all.deb ?
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4844[23:20:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> or get an usb auido adapter for $1
4845[23:20:33] <missmbob> that's why i asked about stretch live cd. that'd be useful in this case
4846[23:20:40] <Agialsa> or dpkg_1.18.10_amd64.deb or libdpkg-dev_1.18.10_amd64.deb
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4848[23:20:55] <greycat> HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES do you have to have things repeated
4849[23:21:01] <greycat> 17:18 greycat> Agialsa: I would only install dpkg-dev for now.
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4853[23:21:50] <Agialsa> dpkg-dev_1.18.10_all.deb that one ok
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4856[23:22:25] <Agialsa> dpkg: error processing package dpkg-dev (--install):
4857[23:22:25] <Agialsa> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
4858[23:22:25] <dpkg> agialsa: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
4859[23:22:25] <Agialsa> Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-5) .
4860[23:22:36] <greycat> Find the first error.
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4865[23:23:30] <Agialsa> replaced-url
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4867[23:23:40] <greycat> 2 dpkg-dev depends on libdpkg-perl (= 1.18.10); however:
4868[23:23:46] <Agialsa> dpkg-dev depends on libdpkg-perl (= 1.18.10); however:
4869[23:23:46] <Agialsa> Version of libdpkg-perl on system is 1.17.27.
4870[23:24:09] <Agialsa> upgrade tar
4871[23:24:12] <Agialsa> lol
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4873[23:24:27] <greycat> And tar too. Jeeeesus.
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4877[23:24:53] <greycat> What the hell kind of crazy-ass build commands is debian using that it needs bleeding edge TAR?!
4878[23:25:06] <missmbob> xz?
4879[23:25:14] <Agialsa> aptitude build-dep tar ?
4880[23:25:22] <greycat> jessie tar has a --xz option
4881[23:25:38] <greycat> Agialsa: it's up to you if you want to continue on this path, or cut your losses at this point.
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4884[23:26:22] <Agialsa> probably stop greycat
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4886[23:26:25] <greycat> When it starts asking for upgrades of tar or dpkg, I personally hit the brakes.
4887[23:26:28] <dStruct> hey all, I was curious is there a particular reason why hashcat on stretch is still v3.00-3 ?
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4889[23:26:39] <greycat> ,v hashcat
4890[23:26:41] <judd> Package: hashcat on amd64 -- stretch: 3.00-3; sid: 3.10-1
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4892[23:26:53] <Agialsa> ok greycat can i revert back
4893[23:27:06] <greycat> There's a web page for "why a thing in stretch is like it is" but last time I used it, it hadn't been updated in months.
4894[23:27:15] <Agialsa> like instal dpkg-dev back ?
4895[23:27:29] <greycat> Agialsa: yeah, you can reinstall the jessie versions of whichever .deb files you installed by hand, or you can leave them as they are now.
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4897[23:27:54] <greycat> !why is hashcat not in testing
4898[23:27:54] <dpkg> hashcat is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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4900[23:28:10] <greycat> Yup, still out of date.
4901[23:28:19] <greycat> Latest update: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 08:23:13 GMT
4902[23:28:19] <Agialsa> debhelper and libsound2 ?
4903[23:28:27] <Agialsa> how can i do that ?
4904[23:28:34] <greycat> Agialsa: whatever you did by hand. apt-get -t jessie install ...
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4906[23:28:53] <jmcnaught> dStruct: replaced-url
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4908[23:29:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> ooh, shiny
4909[23:29:42] <Agialsa> apt-cache search libasound2
4910[23:29:42] <Agialsa> libasound2 - shared library for ALSA applications
4911[23:29:43] <Agialsa> ?
4912[23:29:44] <dStruct> jmcnaught: understood, I saw v3.10 released on 08/19/16, and I'm on Kali Rolling which pulls most of it's packages from Stretch, therefor was wondering when v3.10 would trickle down :D
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4915[23:30:10] <Agialsa> is that libasound of sid or jessie ? greycat ?
4916[23:30:12] <jmcnaught> dStruct: you should ask the kali people about that then, kali isn't supported in #debian
4917[23:30:51] <Agialsa> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
4918[23:30:51] <Agialsa> dpkg-dev : Depends: libdpkg-perl (= 1.18.10) but 1.17.27 is to be installed
4919[23:30:51] <Agialsa> Depends: tar (>= 1.28-1)
4920[23:30:51] <Agialsa> hmm
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4925[23:31:22] <appas> how should i go about this: there being a timeout when the screen turns black, to turn off the backlight when this happens? i know i can turn off the backlight on my samsung netbook with samsung-tools --backlight off, but i don't know how to make this trigger when xfce4-power-manager turns the display black, and then reverse also?
4926[23:31:45] <dStruct> jmcnaught: and rightfully so, according to the website most packages are updated based on when stretch packages are updated (24-48 hours'ish), but stretch still has hashcat 3.00-3, hence my original question, but you answered it
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4930[23:32:19] <Agialsa> how do i fix dpkg-dev : Depends: libdpkg-perl (= 1.18.10) but 1.17.27 is to be installed
4931[23:32:19] <Agialsa> Depends: tar (>= 1.28-1)
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4933[23:32:28] <greycat> Agialsa: whatever you did by hand. apt-get -t jessie install ...
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4935[23:32:36] <greycat> if dpkg-dev is one that you did by hand, then include it.
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4937[23:32:53] <Agialsa> apt-get -t jessie install dpkg-dev ?
4938[23:32:55] <Agialsa> like that ?
4939[23:32:58] <greycat> AMONG OTHERS, YES
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4941[23:33:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> appas, most screensavers have some option/preference you can set to put the monitor into power-saving mode… using that should switch off the backlight
4942[23:33:21] <Agialsa> still it won;t install
4943[23:33:44] <veil_> Hello all, having a small dependency/candidate issue with Vbox. Here's a link to reddit to my problem since I can't post full thing here. Please PM if you can help.
4944[23:33:58] <Agialsa> greycat, pt-get -t jessie install dpkg-dev
4945[23:33:58] <Agialsa> Reading package lists... Done
4946[23:33:58] <Agialsa> Building dependency tree
4947[23:33:58] <Agialsa> Reading state information... Done
4948[23:33:58] <Agialsa> dpkg-dev is already the newest version.
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4950[23:34:06] <veil_> ubuntu 14.10 btw
4951[23:34:19] <veil_> replaced-url
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4953[23:34:25] <towo`> veil_, here is #debian, not ubuntu
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4955[23:34:31] <greycat> Agialsa: as a last resort, you can probably just purge dpkg-dev. It's not necessary to normal operations.
4956[23:34:45] <Agialsa> sorry for the paste did not do it on purpose
4957[23:34:47] <appas> CutMeOwnThroat: i agree that it should, yet it does not - probably because the backlight is vendor-dependent, whereas blanking a screen isn't. so, it's not in xfce4-power-manager-settings
4958[23:34:57] <veil_> Oh. Isn't ubuntu debian? my fault. new to linux.
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4960[23:35:07] <towo`> no, ubuntu is ubuntu
4961[23:35:13] <veil_> oh haha, whoops.
4962[23:35:20] <veil_> #ubuntu a channel?
4963[23:35:23] <erm3nda> sure
4964[23:35:25] <towo`> if ubuntu would be debian, it would be named debian, like debian does
4965[23:35:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> and it has its own channel … unsurprisingly called #ubuntu
4966[23:35:37] <Agialsa> greycat, can i remove the sid line and od apt-get update ?
4967[23:35:40] <greycat> Agialsa: as a last resort, you can probably just purge dpkg-dev. It's not necessary to normal operations.
4968[23:35:48] <veil_> Okay, I understand my fault.
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4971[23:35:58] <towo`> greycat, apt -t would not work for downgrades, apt install foo/jessie would do
4972[23:36:01] <veil_> #ubuntu a working channel?
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4974[23:36:17] <veil_> tried ##linux but not responses.
4975[23:36:21] <frzr> debian is ubuntu
4976[23:36:25] <Agialsa> still won't remove it
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4978[23:36:35] <Agialsa> apt-get -f install' with no packages ?
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4980[23:36:49] <greycat> Agialsa: dpkg --purge --force-depends dpkg-dev
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4983[23:37:16] <appas> all linux is ubuntu. except ubuntu. ubuntu is openbsd.
4984[23:37:27] <greycat> Agialsa: or, as towo` suggests, apt-get install dpkg-dev/jessie
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4986[23:37:42] <greycat> towo`: it's half-installed, by the way.
4987[23:37:49] <Agialsa> Setting up dpkg-dev (1.17.27)
4988[23:37:56] <greycat> (or was)
4989[23:38:02] <Agialsa> and debhelper
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4993[23:38:39] <greycat> Agialsa: towo` is telling me that -t doesn't work the way I thought it did, so you would need apt-get install debhelper/jessie etc.
4994[23:38:43] <Agialsa> The value 'debhelper' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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4996[23:38:49] <Agialsa> ok
4997[23:38:50] <Agialsa> :)
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5001[23:39:26] <greycat> having to specify /jessie on every pkg named in the same command is really lame :(
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5003[23:39:54] <Agialsa> Selected version '1.0.28-1' (Debian:8.5/stable [amd64]) for 'libasound2'
5004[23:40:00] <Agialsa> ok
5005[23:40:21] <Agialsa> libasound2 set to manually installed. can i change that or was it always like that?
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5007[23:40:24] <dStruct> appas: if that were true Ubuntu would run on my Motorola MVME945 chassis, with MVME147 Motorola 68K cpus, but alas it doesn't :D
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5009[23:40:34] <knoxville> hi
5010[23:40:35] <greycat> No more spoon feeding. Christ.
5011[23:40:41] <Agialsa> :)
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5013[23:41:03] <Agialsa> can i comment out the src line now and update ?
5014[23:41:20] <greycat> If you want.
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5027[23:45:21] <Agialsa> greycat, do i have to specify now every time /jessie to the packages i want to install ?
5028[23:45:28] <greycat> no
5029[23:45:33] <Agialsa> ok
5030[23:45:45] <greycat> It was only to undo the few that you did by hand.
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5033[23:46:55] <appas> dStruct: hehe, and if what frzr said was true, debian would be binary-incompatible with itself ;D
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5035[23:48:03] <dStruct> appas: touche lol
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5042[23:52:14] <Agialsa> ok
5043[23:52:24] <Agialsa> thank you all
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5062[23:59:01] <tom99> does anybody know why dpkg-source command fails when I type "apt-get source coreutils" on my wheezy frankendebian system?
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5065[23:59:32] <missmbob> do we know why frankedebian does anything? no, we dont.
5066[23:59:42] <tom99> Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x coreutils_8.25-2.dsc' failed
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