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9[00:05:21] <ibrokeit> so it warned me that i was installing a kernel without crypto, and yeah, that was the result
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19[00:09:56] <trek00> ibrokeit: it was update-initramfs?
20[00:10:51] <ibrokeit> update-initramfs is throwing me the "The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries" error. i ignored it, tried to boot, and it wouldn't due to my drive being LUKS encrypted.
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22[00:11:26] <ibrokeit> i used update-initramfs instead of apt reinstall because apt reinstall was giving me issues on the grub update aspect
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24[00:13:11] <ibrokeit> the problem for update-initramfs seems to be that i haven't mounted /proc properly, and the problem for apt reinstall seems to be that i haven't mounted /dev properly :/
25[00:13:32] <ibrokeit> lol
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27[00:14:34] <trek00> ibrokeit: if you are in live install and mounted your broken system to /mnt, you could do: for d in dev proc sys; do mount --bind /$d /mnt/$d; done
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29[00:16:01] <trek00> ibrokeit: then you could try again with chroot and reinstall or update-initramfs
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38[00:21:45] <ibrokeit> trek00, after that, with apt reinstall i get "No file name for linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64" and with update-initramfs I get "update-initramfs is disabled (live system is running without media mounted on /lib/live/mount/medium)"
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43[00:23:57] <trek00> ibrokeit: never seen these errors
44[00:24:04] <ibrokeit> it's ok i'll deal with it
45[00:24:30] <trek00> ibrokeit: have you done chroot /mnt bevore apt reinstall?
46[00:24:42] <ibrokeit> yeah
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48[00:24:51] <ibrokeit> this is in the chroot environment
49[00:25:18] <trek00> apt install too?
50[00:25:22] <ibrokeit> yes
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52[00:25:55] <ibrokeit> i got around it by using mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-5-amd64 4.19.0-5-amd64
53[00:26:19] <ibrokeit> but i still get an issue, which is: WARNING: target 'luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d' not found in /etc/crypttab
54[00:26:30] <trek00> ibrokeit: please check if this returns empty output apt-cache show linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64
55[00:26:55] <ibrokeit> not empty.
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57[00:27:13] <trek00> ibrokeit: it's strange
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59[00:28:50] <trek00> ibrokeit: is the crypttab correct?
60[00:29:23] <ibrokeit> sda2_crypt UUID=943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d none luks
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62[00:30:10] <ibrokeit> it is correct
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65[00:31:11] <ibrokeit> oh wait. if i go to /dev/mapper, the name is correct, but if i run blkid, it's a different uuid
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69[00:32:39] <trek00> ibrokeit: it's strange to have different uuid and apt not running fine anymore
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78[00:36:27] <trek00> ibrokeit: i don't have many ideas how to repair without making more problems, i would double check if debsums is now ok and try to understand why apt is no more running fine, before to write anything more to the disks
79[00:36:43] <ibrokeit> ok
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81[00:37:27] <trek00> ibrokeit: what says dpkg? there is a double ii at the start of the line of output of dpkg -l | grep linux-image
82[00:38:22] <ibrokeit> ii linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 4.19.37-5+deb10u2
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85[00:39:01] <trek00> ibrokeit: then it should be installed and configured
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87[00:39:22] <ibrokeit> it's just lacking the required crypto to decrypt my luks
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89[00:40:45] <trek00> ibrokeit: actually mkinitramfs search for crypto modules loaded, may be this one of the probems
90[00:40:52] <trek00> dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools
91[00:41:02] <trek00> and select to include all the drivers
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93[00:41:43] <ibrokeit> I: update-initramfs is disabled (live system is running without media mounted on /lib/live/mount/medium).
94[00:41:55] <ibrokeit> i get that from dpkg-reconfigure
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96[00:43:29] <trek00> ibrokeit: i don't know why update-initramfs inside chroot is checking for live system....
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98[00:44:30] <ibrokeit> lemme see about this
99[00:44:37] <trek00> ibrokeit: it seems you are calling the live update-initramfs...
100[00:44:51] <ibrokeit> from within the chroot
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103[00:45:15] <trek00> check ls -l /usr/sbin/update-initramfs*
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106[00:48:06] <trek00> ibrokeit: may be you have mounted --bind sbin and not sys?
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108[00:48:29] <ibrokeit> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Dec 8 2017 /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -> /bin/live-update-initramfs
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111[00:50:15] <trek00> ibrokeit: may be dpkg -l | grep live-tools
112[00:50:46] <ibrokeit> ii ; it's there
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114[00:51:19] <trek00> ibrokeit: well uninstall it
115[00:51:23] <ibrokeit> lol ok
116[00:51:43] <trek00> ibrokeit: then your update-initramfs should be restored to normal operation
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118[00:52:00] <ibrokeit> mmmm yeah
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123[00:54:42] <ibrokeit> reinstall finished. some errors though. "cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1" (should be sda1) and "cryptsetup: WARNING: target 'luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d' not found in /etc/crypttab"
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126[00:56:43] <trek00> ibrokeit: what's shows lsblk -o+uuid
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128[00:57:10] <ibrokeit> └─luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d 254:0 0 51.1G 0 crypt /
129[00:58:06] <ibrokeit> and /etc/crypttab shows sda2_crypt UUID=943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d none luks
130[00:58:21] <trek00> ibrokeit: i don't have luks, but it seems to be ok
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139[01:02:26] <trek00> ibrokeit: do you modified /etc/crypttab after the break?
140[01:02:34] <ibrokeit> no
141[01:02:47] <ibrokeit> modified it for testing but put it back the same way it was
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143[01:03:29] <trek00> ibrokeit: i would try to reboot once, may be this warning is not so bad, anyway do you have a backup of your initrd for chance?
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147[01:06:44] <ibrokeit> not that i am aware of. i'll try rebooting and see how it goes. i have an idea to test in grub, since i have an old kernel. might be able to copy over some configs manually.
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168[01:19:49] <ibrokeit> back. still not letting me decrypt / therefore it is not possible for it to mount the unencrypted partition that it is looking for
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172[01:21:29] <trek00> ibrokeit: it says no modules to decrypt partition?
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174[01:21:42] <trek00> ibrokeit: or it can't find partition?
175[01:22:02] <ibrokeit> trek00, it says it can't find the partition, and identifies the UUID of the decrypted partition, not the encrypted one
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178[01:23:18] <trek00> ibrokeit: you should have the inner uuid in fstab and outer uuid in crypttab (may be other levels of uuid if you have lvm/md)
179[01:23:32] <trek00> ibrokeit: check if they are correct in your lsblk
180[01:24:10] <trek00> ibrokeit: uuid for / should be the innermost and the same as the one written in fstab
181[01:25:10] <ibrokeit> yeah
182[01:25:40] <ibrokeit> there is just one problem, which arises during the reinstall of the kernel, through any method
183[01:25:45] <ibrokeit> cryptsetup: WARNING: target 'luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d' not found in /etc/crypttab
184[01:25:53] <ibrokeit> that is some chroot issue i think
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197[01:33:32] <trek00> ibrokeit: try adding luks- to the UUID of crypttab, this should not happens, but give it a try
198[01:33:48] <ibrokeit> already tried. no help.
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201[01:38:39] <trek00> ibrokeit: i have no idea, actually initramfs runs some scripts under /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ that checks for the target in crypttab, but it search luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d and not UUID=943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d
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203[01:39:34] <trek00> ibrokeit: may be you can try to set the first work exactly what it search, but i can't figure why it was running fine before, may be that live-tools changed something?
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205[01:40:32] <trek00> ibrokeit: fix my spelling, set the first worD in crypttab to luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d
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209[01:42:27] <ibrokeit> unbelievably, that seems to have fixed it
210[01:42:36] <ibrokeit> gonna update my fstab and try it
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213[01:42:57] <trek00> ibrokeit: fstab should be unchanged
214[01:43:07] <ibrokeit> hmm
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216[01:43:34] <trek00> ibrokeit: it says it can't find GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1 because actually your /mnt is on sdb1
217[01:43:38] <ibrokeit> but the mount name has changed from sda2_crypt to luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d, hasn't it?
218[01:43:53] <ibrokeit> ic
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225[01:45:17] <ibrokeit> i'm going to restart without changing fstab and i'll come back and change it if need be
226[01:45:26] <ibrokeit> should at least get to the password part this time
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228[01:45:40] <trek00> ibrokeit: sorry i'm tired, the crypttab should be something like:
229[01:45:40] <trek00> sda2_crypt luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d none luks
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297[02:51:03] <lagbolt> I am wondering if anyone running linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 continuously gets do_IRQ: 0.33 No irq handler for vector. Eventually crashes my X. Dropping back to 4.9.0-6 and runs with no msg or crash. Google has been a no go for solutions.
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299[02:51:54] <hans__> what is the difference between the netinst.iso (approx 300 MB) and the mini.iso (approx 50MB) other than the size difference? they both appear to be network installers
300[02:54:30] <trek00> lagbolt: it could be a bug in linux drivers with your devices bios
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304[02:55:18] <dvs> hans__, the netinst.iso can install a minimal system without goiing to the internet.
305[02:55:27] <lagbolt> trek00: has been working for years. perhaps its aged out and needs update?
306[02:55:27] <trek00> lagbolt: check replaced-url
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309[02:56:02] <trek00> lagbolt: it's the same motherboard?
310[02:56:49] <lagbolt> trek00 Gigabyte Technology GA-990XA-UD3
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315[02:58:15] <lagbolt> trek00: the error on this thread has 0.91, not sure the same issue. I can try passing the options and see if i get lucky.
316[02:58:57] <trek00> lagbolt: the number depends by your irq configuration (set by motherboard)
317[02:59:24] <lagbolt> trek00: ok. well worth a shot.
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405[04:08:29] <ZaZaGX> how come sometimes my grub screen has a different color? like everytime i format, it changes color
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408[04:10:02] <trek00> ZaZaGX: it's a special feature to tell you have formatted a disk
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410[04:10:17] <trek00> (joke)
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412[04:11:17] <ZaZaGX> like sometimes it stays blue, other times it stays grey with the debian swirl
413[04:12:00] <trek00> ZaZaGX: may be sometimes it gets graphical mode and sometimes text only?
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418[04:12:57] <ZaZaGX> well, i noticed when i encrypted the whole disk its blue. and when i don't have the whole disk encrypted, it stays grey
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422[04:14:03] <trek00> ZaZaGX: if you have grub backgrounds installed, may be it can't find them if they are on the encrypted disk
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424[04:14:45] <ZaZaGX> i'm not even sure if i installed the grub background
425[04:15:58] <trek00> grub2-splashimages
426[04:16:48] <ZaZaGX> wheres the list dict?
427[04:17:03] <trek00> dpkg -l ?
428[04:17:04] <dpkg> Files in package trek00-pr0n: /srv/trek00-pr0n/trek00.jpg
429[04:17:17] <trek00> :)
430[04:17:44] <ZaZaGX> i don't see it
431[04:17:46] <trek00> ZaZaGX: i see may be also plymouth has his grub theme
432[04:18:38] <ZaZaGX> i don't see the pr0n
433[04:19:46] <noahmg123> OK, I am stumped. I'm trying to add my school's printer as a SAMBA printer, and I keep getting "NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED" while the job is "held for authentication". When I try to authenticate, the password prompt says "negotiate". I'm assuming this has something to do with some auth protocol, but I'm not sure which.
434[04:19:55] <trek00> ZaZaGX: don't read the dkpg response, that was a joke, anyway checking /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme there are at least 4 types of background that could be loaded from grub, and they are all under /usr
435[04:20:23] <noahmg123> Looking in the CUPS log, there's also an NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER error
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437[04:21:49] <trek00> noahmg123: it seems you are not authorized to join the windows authentication server
438[04:23:01] <noahmg123> trek00: what would that mean exactly? And how would I fix it? I can use the smbclient command just fine from the command line. Is there a config file I need to edit?
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442[04:23:48] <trek00> noahmg123: i'm not practical with microsoft world, but you can check replaced-url
443[04:24:22] <trek00> noahmg123: there are many helpful tips, config file and smbclient commands
444[04:25:22] <noahmg123> trek00: I think the issue is SAMBA authentication is not built into the printer itself. I'm not sure, but it may just call smbclient directly. If I knew how it was calling smbclient, that would definitely be helpful
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448[04:28:03] <trek00> noahmg123: try accessing to the printer via smblcient, if it is ok, try again to print
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450[04:28:43] <noahmg123> trek00: well... I've always been able to use that command to connect
451[04:28:52] <noahmg123> But the printer has never worked
452[04:29:36] <trek00> noahmg123: if smbclient can't connect to the printer, cups will never use it
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455[04:29:56] <noahmg123> trek00: smbclient can connect to the printer
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458[04:31:36] <trek00> noahmg123: may be this can help? replaced-url
459[04:32:03] <noahmg123> I'll take a look. Thank you.
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554[06:10:29] <warsoul> hi guys
555[06:10:55] <warsoul> when i boot on debian i see some BIOS error but the go fast cant see what they say
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561[06:12:41] <alkisg> warsoul: try running `dmesg`, do you see it there?
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565[06:16:10] <warsoul> replaced-url
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574[06:20:27] <OerHeks> around: 1.413472] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve [\_SB.PCI0.SAT0.SPT4._GTF.DSSP], AE_NOT_FOUND (20180810/psargs-330)
575[06:20:34] <user888> hey warsoul. I don't know what causes those acpi errors but I have the same issue.
576[06:20:52] <user888> Just curious what motherboard/cpu combo do you have?
577[06:21:10] <warsoul> motherboard i forgot the brand
578[06:21:17] <user888> asus?
579[06:21:27] <warsoul> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian 10.0 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (3.50GHz) • Memory: 15.2 GiB Total (14.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 32.4 GB / 507.5 GB (475.1 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation NF7-S/NF7 @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 14m 13s
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582[06:22:16] <OerHeks> 8.039424] kvm: disabled by bios .. not enabled VT-x ??
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589[06:26:37] <user888> Hmm that's newer than me. I'm still on sandy bridge (2500k) so it doesn't seem to be platform specific.
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695[07:38:09] <Dick> Hi, where do i download "old debian-iso" files, could not find any on "archive.debian.org" .. ?
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699[07:40:29] <jh001> Dick: google finds replaced-url
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703[07:41:21] <diogenes_> what a nickname ^
704[07:41:25] <Dick> jh001: Nice , thank, nice cluttering up the debian archive, by the way....
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965[10:27:19] <MonRa> Hi, there's this website asking me to use a webcam to take a photo but I really just wanna upload a photo I already have, can you point me to some resources to "fake" the webcam stream?
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968[10:29:28] <EdePopede> why not making a photo of the photo?
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975[10:33:59] <nvz> I guess they couldn't be arsed to wait around for an aswer
976[10:34:14] <nvz> ,i v4l2loopback-dkms
977[10:34:16] <judd> Package v4l2loopback-dkms (kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Source for the v4l2loopback driver (DKMS). Version: 0.12.1-1; Size: 33.8k; Installed: 112k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1001[10:54:35] <jelly> nvz: that v4l2loopback thing did not build successfully for years, I uninstalled it around stretch
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1024[11:03:00] <RandomSerb> can someone please help? I installed debian, and on first boot, I get error: *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware. I then booted into recovery mode, changed main into main contrib non-free in sources.list, installed firmware-amd-graphics package, rebooted, and still the same problem
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1026[11:03:39] <RandomSerb> the actual problem is that my screen reports that it's out of range(37.9khz/85hz)
1027[11:03:45] <RandomSerb> debian buster
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1032[11:04:44] <diogenes_> RandomSerb, try to boot a live non-free iso.
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1041[11:08:55] <shtrb> Can anyone please add in HP all-in-one (aio) section of replaced-url
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1065[11:21:09] <annadane> shtrb, anyone can make a wiki account, i think. i would add it but i'm afraid of getting the context wrong, unless it can arbitrarily go in its own paragraph anywhere in the section
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1067[11:21:43] <annadane> or just tell me where it should go i guess... but i'm about to go to sleep
1068[11:22:02] <annadane> i know what *section*, just not where in the section so it's coherent with everything else
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1079[11:29:14] <shtrb> it doesn't matter where in that section , just so it will exist it's an hpaio only issue
1080[11:29:42] <shtrb> there is hpaio section in the scanner page ( I gave an exact link to the paragrph about hpaio)
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1082[11:30:54] <shtrb> for instance after the sentence Having hplip on the system also makes it easier to install a non-free plugin.
1083[11:31:52] <shtrb> Oh sorry , that is for buster not for stretch !
1084[11:32:27] <annadane> i'll add it...
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1086[11:35:15] <shtrb> Thanks !
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1088[11:36:19] * shtrb sends pizza slice as a thank you to annadane
1089[11:36:40] <annadane> let me know if it's legible
1090[11:36:44] <annadane> the wiki entry, not the pizza
1091[11:36:48] <shtrb> it is :)
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1114[11:58:56] <nononsense41> hello guys, can you actually add a new partition to usb drive written with an isohybrid installation image and still be bootable? i read the claim in the installation guide where this image doesn't use most of the disk space and you can add new partition and use it as a normal usb drive alongside the it's bootable property..shed some light here ple
1115[11:58:56] <nononsense41> ase
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1264[13:44:27] <uio> Is it possible to encrypt a flash drive with luks or something like that without destroying pre-existing data?
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1274[13:51:25] <Megaf> uio: it is, but it takes a while and has lots of steps
1275[13:51:40] <uio> Megaf, Is there a guide somewhere?
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1279[13:55:01] <Megaf> uio: some, but I didn't line any of them, I strongly suggest you get a new HD/SSD and start from scratch
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1284[13:56:42] <manARMy> Hello. I removed most of /usr/share/applications/*.desktop But now when I click a ZIP file in FireFox it suggests I use the "unzip" program. How does FireFox know about it? I wish to delete the link
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1286[13:58:28] <humpled> you did what
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1289[13:59:34] <manARMy> It worked. Except unzip
1290[13:59:49] <humpled> maybe in firefox go to 'about:preferences' and scroll down to applications
1291[14:00:00] <manARMy> I know that one. No luck
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1293[14:00:37] <humpled> i never had a problem with firefox trying to help me unzip a link
1294[14:00:44] <humpled> how does this happen?
1295[14:01:03] <manARMy> Because I don't have the file-roller desktop file.
1296[14:02:27] <humpled> hmm, neither do i
1297[14:03:29] <humpled> presumably you asked firefox to open the zip rather than download it
1298[14:03:35] <manARMy> Yes of course
1299[14:03:49] <humpled> but you don't want to open it
1300[14:03:53] <manARMy> No
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1304[14:04:40] <manARMy> Other file extensions it doesn't even offer
1305[14:05:48] <humpled> yup for pdfs i have to click on them to download, then click on the download box to ask firefox to open them
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1307[14:06:28] <manARMy> Use unzip (default) How can it be the default? Let me check *.desktop again
1308[14:06:28] <uio> Is it true that LUKS drives are at a greater risk of data loss due to encryption?
1309[14:07:25] <humpled> with these desktop files manARMy, the usual tactic is to create your own versions in ~/.local/share/applications to override the default ones
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1311[14:09:27] <manARMy> uio: I only encrypt one partition
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1313[14:10:08] <uio> manARMy, Which one?
1314[14:10:33] <manARMy> I put there, SSH keys and so on.
1315[14:10:36] <uio> manARMy, I mean, if I back up my date to a LUKS flash drive, will that increase chances of losing all data?
1316[14:10:41] <wwilliam> Ok this is a version of debian but may be you guys know how to fix such error?
1317[14:10:43] <wwilliam> N: Repository 'replaced-url
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1319[14:10:53] <uio> if the flash drive is corrupt.
1320[14:11:10] <jelly> uio: well, if you forget the passphrase, or accidentally erase part of disk with the only copy of the key, data is lost
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1322[14:11:30] <jelly> this is a feature?
1323[14:12:01] <jelly> that's literally what you use encryption FOR
1324[14:12:14] <uio> jelly, Yes, right.
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1326[14:12:34] <jelly> luks has provisions to backup luks keys.
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1328[14:12:51] <uio> jelly, My question is just, I don't know, physical wear on a flash drive causing key and thus data loss.
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1330[14:13:07] <uio> jelly, Oh, how does one backup the keys??
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1332[14:13:45] <jelly> uio: I don't remember. It's in luks faq and cryptsetup manual.
1333[14:13:58] * uio tells jelly that /me got unblocked from #debian after yesterday's nick-spree :)
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1335[14:14:14] <uio> jelly, Oaky, I'll have to look that up.
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1338[14:15:20] <wwilliam> nm
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1340[14:15:31] <uio> jelly, Are you talking about having alternate keys?
1341[14:15:40] <uio> jelly, Like the max 10 keys or something?
1342[14:16:19] <jelly> uio: no, I'm talking about a backup of luks header thingy
1343[14:16:29] <uio> jelly, Hmmm.
1344[14:17:24] <jelly> around the WARNINGS section in the manual
1345[14:17:27] <uio> jelly, Is that default in Debian LUKS?
1346[14:17:32] <uio> jelly, Okay.
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1350[14:18:36] <uio> jelly, of cryptsetup?
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1352[14:19:51] <jelly> yes
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1359[14:23:43] <uio> jelly, replaced-url
1360[14:24:01] <uio> I don't quite get it, but I won't worry too much as I have two backups...
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1371[14:28:56] <simbalion> where can I download a 32bit netinst of stretch?
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1373[14:31:03] <uio> simbalion, replaced-url
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1375[14:31:34] <simbalion> tyvm!
1376[14:31:41] <uio> simbalion, More specifically : replaced-url
1377[14:31:46] <uio> simbalion, np
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1387[14:37:07] <mdx0> which is the package name for vpn client for network manager?
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1392[14:40:40] <colo-work> mdx0, `apt-cache search --names-only vpn network manager`
1393[14:41:10] <mdx0> thanx
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1511[15:43:47] <uio> Does diff exit once it's done? I'm comparing two flash drives and it is hanging, or taking a long time, don't know which one....
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1513[15:44:01] <hop> uio: yes
1514[15:44:14] <hop> how did you start it?
1515[15:44:16] <uio> hop, How can I check if it is still working?
1516[15:44:28] <uio> sudo diff -qr drive1 drive2
1517[15:44:35] <uio> I have some output.
1518[15:44:39] <hop> then it's still working
1519[15:44:41] <uio> But it hasn't stopped yet.
1520[15:44:44] <uio> Okay.
1521[15:44:45] <uio> :)
1522[15:44:52] <hop> or there's a problem with the hardware
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1524[15:45:38] <uio> I wanted to use it to check if I successfully copied my archives from one usb to the other before deleted (and then LUKSing the first one).
1525[15:45:48] <uio> hop, How could I check if there is a hardware issue?
1526[15:46:11] <hop> check for smoke?
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1529[15:46:33] <uio> hop, No smoke :)
1530[15:46:35] <hop> syslog should show timeouts. do you suspect one of the drives to be faulty?
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1532[15:46:47] <uio> hop, ~80%
1533[15:46:54] <uio> *80°C
1534[15:47:00] <hop> so what
1535[15:47:06] <uio> Also, I can access files on the drives.
1536[15:47:10] <uio> so no smoke :)
1537[15:47:27] <hop> is there io?
1538[15:47:36] <uio> hop, Sorry, how do I check that?
1539[15:47:38] <hop> dstat
1540[15:48:29] <uio> I don't think I have it.
1541[15:48:42] <hop> ...
1542[15:48:50] <uio> …
1543[15:49:20] <uio> …
1544[15:49:29] <hop> are you now timing out?
1545[15:49:48] <uio> dstat installed.
1546[15:50:00] <hop> next time use rsync or cpio
1547[15:50:11] <uio> hop, for?
1548[15:50:17] <uio> the check?
1549[15:50:27] <hop> for copying in the first place
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1551[15:50:37] <hop> although you /could/ use rsync to check
1552[15:51:17] <uio> hop, runnning dstat
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1554[15:51:28] <uio> I have in and out showing numbers
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1556[15:51:44] <f8e3> to run a server process what to use: supervisord vs tmux
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1559[15:52:24] <uio> hop, Should 15Gb really take this long?
1560[15:52:25] <hop> f8e3: why would you use a terminal muxer to supervis a daemon?
1561[15:52:41] <hop> uio: let me ask my crystal ball…
1562[15:52:55] <f8e3> i try to keep the process alive once ssl conneciton closed, so i use tmux, how do i monitor it eg python foo.py process dies?
1563[15:53:02] * uio has other questions for the ball.
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1565[15:53:55] <f8e3> do i need supervisor or what to use?
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1567[15:54:14] <uio> hop, I mean, if there were two small files, obviously that should not take so long on such a machine. 100GB would. So one could get a ballpark figure without magic.
1568[15:54:25] <uio> *on most machines.
1569[15:55:00] <hop> the answer is 17
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1572[15:55:51] <uio> the answer is passive-agressive pseudo-sarcastic.
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1575[15:57:33] <hop> true, true
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1579[15:59:25] <mdx0> i'm trying to bulid a VPN client with openVPN on debian...
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1581[16:00:12] <mdx0> but don't know exactly how...
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1602[16:16:42] <uio> So, diff shows they are, other than some unimportant files, the same. Would it be safe to erase the original usb? There is not risk of some unseen corruption?
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1609[16:19:30] <uio> probably a bit paranoid here...
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1617[16:23:15] <hop> there's always a chance
1618[16:25:02] <uio> hop, What would be best practice?
1619[16:25:17] <hop> how many 9s after the comma?
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1622[16:25:45] <uio> 17, no?
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1625[16:26:10] <uio> hop, C'mon hop, you know this!
1626[16:26:15] <uio> 17!!
1627[16:26:17] <hop> i'm not going to say "get over yourself," but get over yourself
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1629[16:26:53] <uio> hop, ?
1630[16:27:00] <uio> hop, It was joke.
1631[16:27:13] <hop> what was?
1632[16:27:23] <uio> The hamburger.
1633[16:27:32] <hop> i was talking about the paranois
1634[16:27:36] <hop> *a
1635[16:27:48] <uio> Oh, sorry, I meant the bathtub. But good to know.
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1646[16:30:29] <uio> Is there a faster way to destroy the data that was on it other than gnome-disk zero writing?
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1648[16:30:35] <uio> 38 minutes !!!
1649[16:31:38] <hop> you said it was an ssd?
1650[16:32:07] <uio> flash drive. Usb
1651[16:32:21] <hop> which is solid state…
1652[16:32:25] <uio> (with bacon)
1653[16:32:31] <hop> anyway, can't be sure without physically destroying it
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1655[16:32:39] <uio> Right. (oops didn't know that...)
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1658[16:32:57] <uio> Who's paranoid now?
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1660[16:33:21] <uio> hop, Should I just LUKS it?
1661[16:33:22] <hop> you want us to make your decisions
1662[16:33:27] <uio> That should do it.
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1664[16:33:54] <uio> hop, No, I'm making the decisions, I'm asking for information to make informed decisions...
1665[16:34:33] <hop> and i'm giving you the information that the firmware on the thing might decide to write the zeroes somewhere else than where the data was
1666[16:35:12] <hop> for all i know your usb stick contains natinaly security level info
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1669[16:35:58] <uio> hop, Kewl. Thanks. LUKS'll take care of that.
1670[16:36:03] <hop> nope
1671[16:36:17] <uio> 17?
1672[16:36:19] <uio> How nope?
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1674[16:36:46] <hop> exactly as nope as writing zeroes
1675[16:36:56] <uio> That's pretty damn nope.
1676[16:37:08] <uio> What is best practice other than destroying it?
1677[16:37:27] <hop> well, are these files top secret?
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1679[16:37:35] <uio> hop, Yep.
1680[16:37:59] <hop> then there is no other way
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1685[16:38:37] <Woniken> hello
1686[16:38:38] <uio> o
1687[16:38:54] <Woniken> im trying to install i386 in a amd64 environment
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1689[16:39:34] <hop> uio: reall, if they are top secret, you should have staff for that at your agency…
1690[16:39:37] <Woniken> but after i do dpkg --add-architecture i386 and apt upgrade, nothing happens
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1692[16:40:28] <uio> hop, They're on holiday. They get back on Monday, but this is urgent!
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1694[16:40:54] <uio> hop, And my yearly budget doesn't allow for replacing flash drives.
1695[16:40:55] <hop> pull someone else's leg
1696[16:41:23] <uio> I'm pretty hands off; I prefer to not pull legs.
1697[16:41:49] <uio> Nice you found the … hop!
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1701[16:43:15] <oft_gegong> Woniken, it's apt update not apt upgrade
1702[16:43:17] <deadmarshal> hi. there's an app named osd-lyrics, when I install that, and login to my system for example tomorrow, it's gone :|. it keeps getting removed. how to fix this issue?
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1705[16:44:03] <oft_gegong> disable cron jobs?
1706[16:44:17] <Woniken> oft_gegong, hey
1707[16:44:27] <Woniken> i did both
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1711[16:48:12] <jhutchins_wk> deadmarshal: Check your logs.
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1715[16:51:06] <deadmarshal> there's nothing in logs, only some messages about tor
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1717[16:52:01] <humpled> ,v osd-lyrics
1718[16:52:02] <judd> No package named 'osd-lyrics' was found in amd64.
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1721[16:53:00] <deadmarshal> :|
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1725[16:56:19] <humpled> so it's up to us to guess what you installed and how
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1732[16:58:23] <uio> deadmarshal, What did you install and how? Did you download it? Did you get in on a vinyl?
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1737[16:59:24] <hop> and what does "it's gone" mean, exactly?
1738[16:59:37] <uio> hop, They left!
1739[16:59:41] <uio> Come back!
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1741[16:59:51] <uio> Come back!!
1742[17:00:02] * uio sheds a tear
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1748[17:01:22] * uio wonders if we'll ever see them again....
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1754[17:04:40] <Woniken> can anyone help me
1755[17:05:01] <greycat> !ask
1756[17:05:02] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1759[17:05:12] <uio> !anyone
1760[17:05:13] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
1761[17:05:24] <uio> Woniken, Just kidding, what do you need?
1762[17:05:24] <humpled> !help
1763[17:05:28] <uio> !okay
1764[17:05:28] <humpled> sorry
1765[17:05:29] <dpkg> Don't talk back to me or you're going to be sorry!
1766[17:05:33] <Woniken> how do i install i386 arch
1767[17:05:50] <uio> Woniken, What have you tried?
1768[17:05:50] <Woniken> in a amd64 environment
1769[17:05:59] <greycat> replaced-url
1770[17:06:02] <uio> Woniken, Why do you want to do that?
1771[17:06:02] <beavis> search for debian multiarch
1772[17:06:03] <greycat> ... GAH
1773[17:06:11] <greycat> PUT YOUR WHOLE QUESTION ON ONE LINE
1774[17:06:17] <beavis> dpkg: tell Woniken about multiarch
1775[17:06:26] * uio realises that they probably can't help...
1776[17:06:44] <jelly> Woniken: you already enabled i386 and did an apt update. That's it.
1777[17:06:45] <uio> beavis, Glad you're here.
1778[17:07:15] <Woniken> how do i get the packages
1779[17:07:16] <jelly> Woniken: from that point on you should be able to install 32bit packages that you actually want or need.
1780[17:07:23] <jelly> Woniken: which packages do you need?
1781[17:07:38] <Woniken> i need some packages for a game
1782[17:08:00] <jelly> Woniken: can you be more specific?
1783[17:08:07] <Woniken> idk which packages
1784[17:08:28] <uio> Woniken, What is the game?
1785[17:08:30] <jelly> Woniken: well then, how does the game fail?
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1787[17:08:36] <greycat> If the game is a third-party binary, you run ldd on it to see what shared libs it needs. Then you use apt-file or packages.debian.org or /msg judd to find out what package contains each library.
1788[17:08:57] <Woniken> ok
1789[17:09:27] <jelly> Woniken: install libc6:i386 for a start, otherwise ldd tool won't work
1790[17:09:28] <uio> ,v ok
1791[17:09:30] <judd> No package named 'ok' was found in amd64.
1792[17:10:07] <uio> cheers!
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1794[17:10:13] <jelly> ,file lib/ld-linux.so.2 --arch i386
1795[17:10:18] <judd> Search for lib/ld-linux.so.2 in buster/i386: libc6: lib/ld-linux.so.2; libc6-i386-x32-cross: usr/x86_64-linux-gnux32/lib/ld-linux.so.2; libc6-i386-amd64-cross: usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/ld-linux.so.2; libc6.1-alpha-cross: usr/alpha-linux-gnu/lib/ld-linux.so.2; libc6-i386-cross: usr/i686-linux-gnu/lib/ld-linux.so.2; libc6-sparc64-cross: usr/sparc64-linux-gnu/lib/ld-linux.so.2;
1796[17:10:20] <judd> libc6-sh4-cross: usr/sh4-linux-gnu/lib/ld-linux.so.2
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1798[17:10:30] <jelly> good grief
1799[17:10:46] <greycat> judd is so cross
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1801[17:10:56] <Woniken> ldd doesnt work
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1803[17:11:25] <jelly> Woniken: how esxactly did you call it, and what exactly did it say?
1804[17:11:49] <Woniken> ldd EU4 and not a dynamic executable
1805[17:11:50] <greycat> and did you do what jelly told you to do, to allow ldd to work?
1806[17:12:06] <greycat> is EU4 a shell script that runs some other program for you?
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1808[17:12:14] <Woniken> wait
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1810[17:12:40] <jelly> no need to wait, irc is asynchronous
1811[17:12:57] <Woniken> ok did that
1812[17:13:07] <Woniken> EU4 is a binary
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1817[17:14:06] <Woniken> im installing libc6
1818[17:14:13] <Woniken> i386
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1820[17:15:09] <greycat> OK, when that finishes, run "file EU4" and see what kind of file this thing is.
1821[17:15:31] <Woniken> ok
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1850[17:27:51] <jelly> !qotd0
1851[17:27:51] <dpkg> <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!"
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1872[17:46:12] <nifker> Will the new Firefox ESR land in Bullseye?
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1874[17:46:25] <themill> yes, when it's ready
1875[17:46:44] <greycat> ESR rollover isn't until October, I thought... am I mis-remembering?
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1878[17:48:43] <themill> The new one is out, the old one is still supported
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1880[17:49:03] <themill> replaced-url
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1884[17:49:14] <greycat> Right, and Debian flips when the current one expires, NOT when the newer one is out.
1885[17:49:40] <themill> yeah, there are merits in waiting for the .1 and ignoring the .0...
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1887[17:50:12] * greycat looks at Debian 10.0
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1890[17:51:30] <themill> heh
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1896[17:55:58] <jelly> mozilla's tarball does the same thing
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1947[18:25:24] <SerajewelKS> on buster's jackd, it seems that jackd segfaults any time that the qjackctl patch bay is activated
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1957[18:28:56] <Habbie> SerajewelKS, pretty sure that did not happen for me last week
1958[18:30:40] <SerajewelKS> it's 100% reprocudible here :/
1959[18:30:53] <SerajewelKS> at any rate i'm pretty sure jackd should not be segfaulting when qjackctl attempts to patch things
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1961[18:32:24] <SerajewelKS> suddenly this time it did not segfault. so it happens most of the time, but not every time. probably a race condition.
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2035[19:20:13] <simbalion> Hi, I just did a netinst of 9.9 in qemu and it doesn't install route by default? is that right? Shouldn't the netinst include route?
2036[19:20:32] <greycat> Nope.
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2038[19:20:53] <greycat> The ifconfig, netstat and route commands are deprecated, and are not installed by default in 9.x or 10.x.
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2041[19:21:28] <simbalion> huh, whats replaced route?
2042[19:21:32] <greycat> ,file bin/route --release stretch
2043[19:21:34] <greycat> "ip route"
2044[19:21:37] <judd> Search for bin/route in stretch/amd64: net-tools: sbin/route
2045[19:21:40] <simbalion> ah ok tyvm :)
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2076[19:43:26] <johnfg> Hi guys!
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2078[19:43:50] <EoflaOE> Hello johnfg. Any questions?
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2080[19:44:32] <johnfg> Just got a mesg from apt dist-upgrade that libxml2: The following packages have been kept back:
2081[19:44:48] <johnfg> Is there a way to update it?
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2083[19:45:11] <jelly> johnfg: that's not the whole message.
2084[19:45:15] <greycat> oh sure, leave out all the *details* that are absolutely important to understanding the question
2085[19:45:16] <jelly> !bat
2086[19:45:16] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2087[19:45:19] <jelly> ^
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2089[19:45:53] <jelly> johnfg: read carefully the instructions above and provide all the info
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2093[19:46:35] <greycat> A nice summary of what release you're using and what you were trying to do with "apt dist-upgrade" would be appreciated too.
2094[19:47:06] <johnfg> Actually, it was the whole (relevant) message: replaced-url
2095[19:47:14] <johnfg> But I'll get the others you mention.
2096[19:47:28] <greycat> Yay, I remembered how to get the raw for that site!
2097[19:47:31] <greycat> replaced-url
2098[19:47:53] <jelly> greycat likes it raw?
2099[19:47:56] <greycat> what happens if you type "apt install libxml2" ?
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2101[19:49:29] <jelly> last time that happened for me I was on wheezy with ELTS and figured out ELTS people forgot to build libxml2:i386 but had built libxml2:amd64. Also I forgot to report that.
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2103[19:50:59] <johnfg> greycat: It works, that's what! Looks like the slot :i386 was used instead of amd64. Maybe that's what the problem was.
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2105[19:51:58] <jelly> "slot :i386 was used instead of amd64" does not make a lot of sense
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2108[19:52:39] <jelly> but hey if whatever was broken is fixed now, I'll take it!
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2113[19:56:17] <johnfg> jelly: That's probably my using terminology from another distro, but whatever :i386 is, what's installed now is the :amd64.
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2123[20:02:15] <hans__> johnfg, i ususally do apt purge "*:i386"; dpkg --remove-foreign-architecture i386; at the end of amd64 system installations :p
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2126[20:03:54] <hans__> johnfg, (and if you don't need to run i386, you can do that too)
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2128[20:05:34] <hans__> only time i actually need to run i386 binaries these days is when i'm running programs in WINE, and on most of my systems, i don't have wine sos
2129[20:06:28] <greycat> we've got some workstations here that run a vendor's proprietary application that has both i386 and amd64 pieces to it, for reasons I do not know and did not ask about
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2132[20:07:26] <hans__> ick, do they start with the letter "A" and have the color red associated with them?
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2135[20:08:00] <greycat> Nope. It's not a company most people would ever know about. Very specialized medical equipment and supporting software.
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2137[20:08:06] <hans__> kk
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2141[20:08:54] <Lars_1> hello
2142[20:09:16] <hans__> Lars_1, no, there's nobody here, everybody's afk
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2148[20:10:31] <johnfg> I think the last couple of times there was a new release, I did go the upgrade route, like jessie>stretch. Does stretch>buster look as seamless?
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2150[20:10:43] <greycat> replaced-url
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2156[20:13:53] <Lars_1> need help with nvidia driver installation!!
2157[20:13:58] <Iridos> uuh, where was the readme for aptitude that had all the ~ options (and why isn't that information in the manpage)
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2159[20:15:02] <jelly> Iridos: install aptitude-doc and browse or read it online
2160[20:15:03] <greycat> it's in some separate aptitude documentation package
2161[20:15:29] <jelly> replaced-url
2162[20:15:39] <Iridos> thanks
2163[20:15:41] <Lars_1> (Lars_1) need help with nvidia driver installation!!
2164[20:15:48] <greycat> !nvidia
2165[20:15:48] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
2166[20:15:59] <jelly> !ask
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2168[20:15:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2169[20:16:03] <jelly> Lars_1: ^
2170[20:16:36] <jelly> if you need general pointers, start at
2171[20:16:44] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
2172[20:16:44] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
2173[20:16:46] <Lars_1> things is, while installing the .run file, it faild and says some x server in running, then tells me to see the logs
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2175[20:17:02] <jelly> Lars_1: avoid using nvidia's own installer.
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2177[20:17:12] <jelly> install from packages instead.
2178[20:17:40] <Lars_1> nvidia detect shows to install 390.xx
2179[20:17:50] <jelly> Lars_1: which debian release do you have installed? Which card?
2180[20:18:07] <Lars_1> buster, nvidia geforce mx150
2181[20:19:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1526
2182[20:19:09] <jelly> Lars_1: great. So do what !nvidia dkms above says, except replace "nvidia-kernel-dkms" with "nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms"
2183[20:19:48] <jelly> aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
2184[20:19:55] <jelly> ^ as root
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2186[20:20:27] <Lars_1> how sure are u that it wont break my system 8th time again?
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2188[20:21:09] <Lars_1> (jelly) aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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2190[20:21:21] <Lars_1> in this command what i have to replace with what?
2191[20:21:22] <jelly> depends on what you've done so far and how many leftovers there are from previous attempts
2192[20:21:36] <jelly> I've already replaced it for you
2193[20:21:43] <Lars_1> ok
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2196[20:24:11] <Lars_1> says /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: No such file or directory
2197[20:24:36] <greycat> then you mistyped the previous command where it makes that directory
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2199[20:26:07] <jelly> I guess if aptitude command fails the mkdir will not happen
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2201[20:26:20] <jelly> Lars_1: did aptitude fail?
2202[20:26:38] <Lars_1> bash
2203[20:26:42] <greycat> yeah, the mix of && and ; is weird
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2205[20:27:07] <jelly> Lars_1: did you run this in a root shell?
2206[20:27:13] <Lars_1> yes
2207[20:27:16] <Lars_1> no
2208[20:27:26] <Lars_1> i ran it with sudo
2209[20:27:36] <jelly> that's not good
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2211[20:28:04] <Lars_1> so what now ?
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2215[20:28:32] <elwisp> What happened to the vifo modules in debian? I try to load em now after a reinstall but it just says its missing
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2217[20:28:45] <jelly> Lars_1: so either learn how to use sudo to call huge oneliners with multiple commands, or open a root shell (with, say, sudo -i)
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2219[20:28:52] <greycat> Lars_1: "sudo -i" and then paste it again
2220[20:29:08] <Lars_1> ok
2221[20:29:35] <johnfg> Thanks for the help today guys! Gotta run to 2nd job, but may be back in the process of upgrading to Buster!
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2223[20:29:39] <Lars_1> are u on telegram, i cant send a picture here!!
2224[20:29:44] <greycat> That particular sequence of commands has *every* type of shell quoting already in it, so attempting to wrap yet another layer of shell quoting around it so it can be fed to sudo would be madness.
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2227[20:32:34] <jelly> Lars_1: you can upload an image to eg. imgur.com and show the URL here
2228[20:32:43] <Lars_1> ok
2229[20:32:45] <jelly> or use a text-based pastebin
2230[20:32:45] <ws2k3> how can i monitor which files/dirs are being access by nfs? i have a huge ioload on my machine. it seems to be coming from nfs. but im not sure what is accessed
2231[20:32:48] <jelly> !paste
2232[20:32:48] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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2234[20:33:10] <greycat> pasting text from your terminal is greatly preferred over pasting an image of said text
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2237[20:34:57] <Lars_1> sed: can't read nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms: No such file or directory
2238[20:34:57] <Lars_1> E: Command line option 'r' [from -r] is not understood in combination with the other options.
2239[20:34:57] <Lars_1> bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: No such file or directory
2240[20:35:04] <Lars_1> this is what it gave
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2243[20:36:05] <greycat> Did you *paste* what jelly said to run, or did you attempt to *type* it by hand, and mess it up?
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2245[20:36:26] <Lars_1> let me copy paste it again
2246[20:37:17] <jelly> he's also typing in oftc #debian, and the quote there suggests backticks have disappeared from the actual command that was run
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2248[20:37:45] <greycat> It's conceivable that his IRC client is eating the backquotes because it thinks they're IRC markup instead of shell syntax.
2249[20:39:08] <Lars_1> aptitude was not installed earlier sorry, now it did
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2251[20:39:13] <Lars_1> but now its giving this
2252[20:39:16] <Lars_1> sed: can't read nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms: No such file or directory
2253[20:39:16] <Lars_1> Unable to apply some actions, aborting
2254[20:39:17] <Lars_1> bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: No such file or directory
2255[20:39:17] *** Lars_1 was kicked by debhelper (flood)
2256[20:39:46] <jelly> "and they never heard of him again"
2257[20:39:49] <greycat> dpkg, no, nvidia dkms is <reply>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the
2258[20:39:50] <dpkg> greycat: okay
2259[20:39:55] <greycat> <nouveau> blacklist.
2260[20:39:58] <greycat> FUCK
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2263[20:40:19] <annadane> lol
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2265[20:40:20] <jelly> I remember there being a reason for ``
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2267[20:40:30] <greycat> dpkg, no, nvidia dkms is <reply>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
2268[20:40:31] <dpkg> greycat: okay
2269[20:40:34] <ws2k3> how can i monitor which files/dirs are being access by nfs? i have a huge ioload on my machine. it seems to be coming from nfs. but im not sure what is accessed
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2272[20:43:03] <jhutchins_wk> ws2k3: I don't think there's any per-file or per-directory monitoring, but you can at lest see which hosts are using a share. Check the man page for showmount.
2273[20:44:28] <rany> ws2k3, lsof somewhat
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2276[20:45:37] <rany> ws2k3, from lsof man page: `lsof -b /nfs/mount/point`
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2278[20:46:38] <jhutchins_wk> rany: Good to know.
2279[20:47:01] <jhutchins_wk> rany: I work more with the shares on the hosts using them, NFS is managed by our storage team.
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2282[20:48:24] <jelly> rany: isn't that for nfs client, not nfs server?
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2284[20:48:40] <Lars_1> hey
2285[20:48:46] <jelly> it's you!
2286[20:48:51] <Lars_1> yea
2287[20:49:11] <Lars_1> so i am doing taht command which piper told me, if it breaks i ll get back here
2288[20:49:33] <greycat> who or what is piper?
2289[20:49:45] <rany> jelly, only for client... reread the man page :/
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2291[20:50:06] <jelly> piper is a highly unreliable agent of chaos, a user on oftc running sidux and offering people advice that may or may not be right for stable
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2293[20:50:21] <ws2k3> already fiddeling with lsof but that does not realy provide any usefull output
2294[20:50:26] <Lars_1> so what should i do ??
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2296[20:50:58] <rany> ws2k3, all it does is show you open files
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2298[20:51:04] <rany> and by which processes
2299[20:51:07] <jelly> Lars_1: show the command you did and the complete output, for starters
2300[20:51:10] <greycat> Lars_1: I'm curious, when you pasted the command from jelly into your terminal, did the command include backwards quote marks? The character above the Tab key on a US keyboard. Some people (and maybe some IRC clients) use it for IRC markup.
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2303[20:51:28] <jelly> Lars_1: if you need to, use an image upload site if you can't use paste.debian.net
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2305[20:52:16] <Lars_3> sed: can't read nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms: No such file or directory
2306[20:52:17] <Lars_3> Unable to apply some actions, aborting
2307[20:52:17] <Lars_3> bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: No such file or directory
2308[20:52:25] <Lars_1> this was the last output
2309[20:52:29] <NetTerminalGene> guys. i can't watch trailer in imdb.com firefo closes it. could someone confirm it please_
2310[20:52:33] <greycat> We need to see the command you're running.
2311[20:52:43] <Lars_1> ok
2312[20:52:58] <Lars_3> sudo aptitude -r install linux-headers-uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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2315[20:53:09] <Lars_1> this is that command m running
2316[20:53:09] <greycat> Yeah, the backquotes are totally gone.
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2319[20:53:51] <greycat> also, you're still trying to put sudo in front of a compound shell command. You can't DO that.
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2321[20:54:15] <Lars_1> can u send me this command some other way?
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2323[20:54:28] <greycat> If you have a compound shell command like a;b;c and you put sudo in front of it, you end up with sudo a;b;c and then only a is run via sudo. b and c are run as you.
2324[20:54:31] <rany> Lars_1, run `sudo -i` and then run the same command
2325[20:54:43] <Lars_1> ok
2326[20:54:46] <greycat> rany: he needs to use the $() variant also, because his client is eating the backquotes.
2327[20:55:19] <greycat> Because IRC wasn't already bad enough without clients commandeering shell syntax for their own purposes.
2328[20:55:23] <Lars_3> please send the command again, m using hexchat now
2329[20:56:02] <greycat> aptitude -r install linux-headers-$sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"n\tIdentifier "My GPU"n\tDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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2331[20:56:12] <greycat> CRAP, what ...
2332[20:56:17] * jelly offers greycat some ()
2333[20:56:19] <greycat> no, don't use that one either
2334[20:56:24] <greycat> DPKG WHAT DID YOU DO
2335[20:56:25] <dpkg> i don't know, greycat
2336[20:57:06] <greycat> So we can't use backquotes in bot factoids because evil clients eat them, and we can't use () either, because dpkg eats them.
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2338[20:57:21] <greycat> God DAMN it.
2339[20:57:22] <Lars_3> new output
2340[20:57:29] <Lars_3> Package linux-headers is not installed, so it will not be removed
2341[20:57:29] <Lars_3> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "s,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,"
2342[20:57:30] <Lars_3> Unable to apply some actions, aborting
2343[20:57:42] <jelly> Lars_3: aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
2344[20:58:00] <jelly> after opening a separate root shell to run that in.
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2346[20:58:14] <greycat> this is beyond irritating...
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2349[20:58:28] <jelly> greycat: oh, you figured out the reason!
2350[20:58:57] <greycat> jelly: $(foo|bar) gets treated as "randomly pick foo or bar" by the bot's factoid processing
2351[20:59:14] <Lars_3> this last command u gave jelly, is asking me to install packages worth size 77 mb
2352[20:59:21] <greycat> YES! IT WORKED!
2353[20:59:24] <jelly> Lars_3: that seems about right
2354[20:59:32] <greycat> Now if only we could figure out how to get that command INTO THE BOT.
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2356[20:59:50] <Lars_1> its installing now
2357[20:59:58] <Lars_1> hope it wont break again
2358[20:59:59] <greycat> I really don't want to use $'\x28' for (
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2360[21:00:30] <jelly> greycat: you think the bot interprets that?
2361[21:00:36] <Lars_3> Conflicting nouveau kernel module loaded │
2362[21:00:36] <Lars_3> │ │
2363[21:00:36] <Lars_3> │ The free nouveau kernel module is currently loaded and conflicts with the non-free nvidia kernel module. │
2364[21:00:36] <Lars_3> │ │
2365[21:00:40] <Lars_3> │ The easiest way to fix this is to reboot the machine once the installation has finished.
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2367[21:00:47] <Lars_1> reboot?
2368[21:01:01] <greycat> dpkg, pipeline test is <reply>x=$(foo|bar)
2369[21:01:01] <dpkg> greycat: okay
2370[21:01:04] <greycat> dpkg, pipeline test
2371[21:01:04] <dpkg> x=$foo
2372[21:01:23] <jelly> Lars_1: yes
2373[21:01:28] <Lars_1> ok
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2376[21:02:12] <jelly> Lars_1: assuming the installation and dkms build was successful, that is
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2378[21:02:35] <Lars_1> new problem now
2379[21:02:49] <jelly> sometimes building modules from dpkg fails but the installation itself does not fail. You need to read the output.
2380[21:02:52] <xd123> hi everyone, I'm new to Linux and IRC :D
2381[21:02:53] <Lars_1> so many .bin files are missing for module nouveau
2382[21:03:09] <jelly> Lars_1: you should not be using nouveau at all after reboot.
2383[21:03:20] <jhutchins_wk> xd123: Many wonderful discoveries lie ahead of you.
2384[21:03:29] <rany> Lars_1, it should be blacklisted so it doesn't matter
2385[21:03:42] <xd123> Thank you my dude :)
2386[21:03:50] <Lars_1> so reboot now ?
2387[21:04:16] <greycat> dpkg, forget pipeline test
2388[21:04:18] <dpkg> greycat: i forgot pipeline test
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2390[21:04:58] <jelly> Lars_1: I thought you rebooted the first time you asked
2391[21:05:04] <greycat> jelly: is there any way to *suppress* the (foo|bar) processing in the bot for a single factoid?
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2393[21:05:26] <xd123> bit of an odd question and likely know the correct answer - are most of you running VMs or physical machines?
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2395[21:05:32] <jelly> greycat: FIIK, I've basically given up on infobot's crummy perl
2396[21:06:10] <Lars_1> now it just suggested me to. but after i pressed ok on that bios-look-a-like screen, it jept on doing something and at the end showed a lot of .bin files are missing
2397[21:06:35] <Lars_1> *no
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2399[21:07:02] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Y'know, I found the nvidia drivers very easy to get along with.
2400[21:07:43] <jhutchins_wk> Then again, I've had to do things like scratch build kernel modules for random brand touchscreens, so maybe I have an advantage.
2401[21:07:51] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: sure, if you NEVER patch any of xorg/mesa/libdrm stack
2402[21:08:09] <jhutchins_wk> Time will tell.
2403[21:08:23] <Lars_1> time is not going well for me.
2404[21:08:27] <greycat> So, we have three choices that I can see. (1) we put the factoid back as it was with backquotes, and it fails for anyone whose IRC client eats backquotes. (2) we leave the factoid as it is now, and you MUST trigger it with "literal" to see the proper shell command.
2405[21:08:35] <xd123> jhutchins_wk: I've added you as a friend but I'm unsure how friends work on IRC lol
2406[21:08:52] <greycat> (3) we move the shell command to the wiki, and force people to ACTUALLY READ THE URLS THE BOT SAYS TO READ instead of trying to spoon-feed them directly here.
2407[21:09:07] <jelly> dpkg, lefoo is ((silly)) thing
2408[21:09:07] <dpkg> jelly: okay
2409[21:09:10] <jelly> !lefoo
2410[21:09:10] <dpkg> hmm... lefoo is ((silly)) thing
2411[21:09:20] <greycat> jelly: the pipeline is important here
2412[21:09:21] <jhutchins_wk> xd123: It's mostly just open chat. We try to keep the troubleshooting public so other people can learn or catch errors.
2413[21:09:34] <jelly> dpkg, lefoo is ((silly)|(silly)) thing
2414[21:09:34] <dpkg> ...but lefoo is already something else...
2415[21:09:35] <Lars_1> why not on telegra?
2416[21:09:39] <jelly> dpkg, no, lefoo is ((silly)|(silly)) thing
2417[21:09:39] <dpkg> jelly: okay
2418[21:09:40] <greycat> also (( )) in shell means something entirely different from ( ( ) )
2419[21:09:41] <Lars_1> *telegram
2420[21:09:47] <jelly> but that will make it rather long
2421[21:09:47] <Lars_1> why irc?
2422[21:09:52] <jelly> !lefoo
2423[21:09:52] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, lefoo is (silly) thing
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2425[21:10:27] <Lars_1> so what to do with the problem now ?
2426[21:10:34] <jelly> Lars_1: irc is an open protocol and will not die suddently if the company behind it goes under
2427[21:10:48] <jelly> unlike icq or telegram
2428[21:10:55] <greycat> jelly: you need to get it to actually print $(x|y) as output, which I don't think you can do that way.
2429[21:10:55] <jhutchins_wk> Lars_1: irc has been a technical forum (as well as social) since mainframe days.
2430[21:10:55] <Lars_1> ok
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2432[21:10:58] <xd123> icq was a meme though...
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2434[21:11:20] <Lars_1> can we get back to the nvidia problem?
2435[21:11:26] <greycat> What problem are you having now?
2436[21:11:43] <jelly> Lars_1: does lsmod show nvidia or nouveau loaded right now, or none?
2437[21:12:15] <greycat> also how did he reboot so quickly?
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2439[21:12:30] <xd123> jhutchins_wk: is there an easy way to direct message someone and/or reply without typing their whole name?
2440[21:12:35] <jelly> new machine? nvme ssd? no idea.
2441[21:12:40] <xd123> SSD life?
2442[21:12:46] <greycat> xd123: type the first couple letters of their nick and press TAb.
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2445[21:13:08] <jhutchins_wk> xd123: Most clients will auto-complete a name if you type some characters and press tab.
2446[21:13:16] <Lars_1> i can only see nouveau typed so many times on lsmod output
2447[21:13:17] <xd123> Ah, cheers guys :)
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2449[21:13:35] <Lars_1> i did not reboot, nobody told me to
2450[21:13:35] <jhutchins_wk> xd123: However, direct messaging without permission is considered by some silly people to be rude.
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2452[21:13:42] <xd123> I'm only learning how to use Unix based OS because work is pushing people towards it
2453[21:13:44] <jelly> Lars_1: reboot now.
2454[21:13:52] <Lars_1> ok
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2456[21:13:58] <xd123> jhutchins_wk, I wouldn't know how to direct message people anyway :D
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2458[21:14:09] <jhutchins_wk> xd123: We
2459[21:14:10] <greycat> Nobody told him to except the bot factoid, half a dozen times, and jelly, 2 or 3 times, ...
2460[21:14:14] <jelly> Lars_1: the installation told you to. Also the dpkg bot told you to.
2461[21:14:24] <jhutchins_wk> xd123: We'll leave that feature alone for a while then.
2462[21:14:28] <Lars_1> guess its broken
2463[21:14:38] <Lars_1> says resuming from hibernation
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2465[21:14:51] <xd123> jhutchins_wk, I'm getting the hang of it, slowly... I've managed to install a few apps with no issue
2466[21:14:55] <jelly> Lars_1: wait for it.
2467[21:15:01] <Lars_1> waiting
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2470[21:15:12] <xd123> jhutchins_wk, even overcome th eissue of running everything as root.. woops :D
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2473[21:16:17] <jelly> Lars_1: if the boot process does not continue after a minute or so, press the reset button
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2476[21:16:41] <jelly> or powercycle if that's a laptop without a reset button
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2479[21:17:12] <Lars_1> by reset you mean long press the power button ?
2480[21:17:12] <xd123> am I right in thinking that those IP addresses which appear next to people's names are open to everyone?
2481[21:17:27] <xd123> stranger danger
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2483[21:18:05] <jelly> Lars_1: I mean reset.
2484[21:18:25] <jelly> long press of power is a forced power-off.
2485[21:18:36] <Lars_1> how to reset than ?
2486[21:18:44] <hop> xd123: you're welcome to stalk my data center…?
2487[21:18:49] <xd123> jelly, working in an IT environment I am surprised these questions are coming from people that've managed to join an IRC chat..
2488[21:18:49] <jelly> maybe machines do not have reset buttons these days.
2489[21:19:16] <xd123> hop, I am new to this stuff, I can't stalk anything. Useful information knowing you've got a datacentre though :)
2490[21:19:16] <Lars_1> its a laptop i hv
2491[21:19:25] <jelly> xd123: users come with all levels of knowledge
2492[21:19:42] <jelly> Lars_1: then you have to power it off and back on.
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2494[21:20:27] <Lars_1> helly, i forced power off now its still stuck their
2495[21:20:30] <Lars_1> on hibernation
2496[21:20:36] <jelly> oh, and if it's a laptop there's a serious possibility it's one of those optimus setups where both intel and nvidia gpus work at the same time
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2498[21:20:55] <jhutchins_wk> xd123: It's probably a feature of your client, mine just shows time < user
2499[21:20:55] <xd123> jhutchins_wk, what's a CTCP version?
2500[21:21:01] <jelly> Lars_1: that's weird. power cycle it again, and press e on the grub menu
2501[21:21:09] <Lars_1> jelly, its not working
2502[21:21:11] <Lars_1> ok
2503[21:21:18] <xd123> jhutchins_wk, I'm using hexchat
2504[21:21:38] <Lars_1> in the grub menu, now ?
2505[21:21:39] <jhutchins_wk> xd123: I now know that you're using hexchat, and should probably /join the kali chanel.
2506[21:21:43] <jhutchins_wk> !kali
2507[21:21:44] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2509[21:22:13] <Lars_1> jelly, m in grub menu now
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2512[21:22:36] <jelly> Lars_1: press e while on the first debian entry
2513[21:22:41] <xd123> jhutchins_wk, yes, it's something we're looking into at my company, we have 6,000 deviced on our network and we have to run penetration tests. Hence the reasons I am trying to understand this way of life :p
2514[21:22:48] <jelly> Lars_1: you're in a rudimentary editor now
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2516[21:23:05] <Lars_1> yes i am in the rudimentary editor now
2517[21:23:08] <jelly> Lars_1: find an (indented) line starting with linux
2518[21:23:19] <Lars_1> found it
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2520[21:23:36] <jhutchins_wk> xd123: This is meant to be a dedicated Debian support chanel. There is #debian-offtopic and #freenode for social chat.
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2523[21:23:42] <jelly> Lars_1: if there's a resume=blahblah word in it, delete that
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2526[21:24:01] <xd123> jhutchins_wk, I appreciate all of your help thus far. It's been helpful to say the least - I had no clue what I was joining, as I was joing
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2528[21:24:07] <Lars_1> sadly their is no word like that
2529[21:24:08] <jelly> resume=/dev/disk/by-uuid/2b0d4690-ac05-4826-965e-7caf75525db1 <-- all of that
2530[21:24:24] <jelly> Lars_1: no mention of resume anywhere?
2531[21:24:34] <Lars_1> not even on the whole screen
2532[21:24:40] <jelly> huh
2533[21:24:41] <xd123> jhutchins_wk, #kali is invite only channel btw
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2538[21:25:33] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, but #kali-linux isn't. Ah well.
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2540[21:25:47] <xd123> accidentally rebooted my VM
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2542[21:26:24] <Lars_1> jelly, guess their isn't much to do now !
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2544[21:26:46] <greycat> xd123: it's #kali-linux not #kali
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2546[21:27:48] <xd123> greycat, okay - thank you :)
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2548[21:28:07] <jelly> Lars_1: assuming the resume acts on an existing hibernation signature on the swap partition, you can boot a livecd and wipe the swap partition beginning
2549[21:28:22] <Lars_1> oh
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2551[21:29:05] <jelly> Lars_1: or power cycle again, and see if there's a recovery option someplace (under Advanced options sub-menu perhaps)
2552[21:29:08] <Lars_1> jelly, is anything that can be done by the tty5 terminal ??
2553[21:29:22] <jelly> Lars_1: which tty5 terminal
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2555[21:29:42] <Lars_1> one that comes when you press ctrl+alt+f4
2556[21:29:49] <greycat> someone's off by one
2557[21:30:04] <jelly> Lars_1: that does not exist unless you've managed to boot some sort of linux
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2559[21:30:11] <Lars_1> jelly, when on the hibernation screen
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2562[21:30:36] <Lars_1> i pressed the combination now its asking for login and password
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2565[21:30:45] <jelly> wut
2566[21:30:57] <jelly> Lars_1: that implies the system has actually booted.
2567[21:31:02] <Lars_1> now i am on non gui terminal
2568[21:31:06] <Lars_1> so what now ?
2569[21:31:12] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Or that he's switched consoles.
2570[21:31:14] <jelly> Lars_1: go back to Ctrl-Alt-F1. Press enter a couple of times.
2571[21:31:21] <Lars_1> may be its just the display manager thats broke
2572[21:31:24] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: which only exist after boot succeeds
2573[21:31:37] <jelly> Lars_1: does a login prompt appear?
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2575[21:31:56] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: True. Sorry, I'm not paying closer attention before commenting.
2576[21:31:58] <Lars_1> yep
2577[21:32:01] <Lars_1> i logged in
2578[21:32:13] <jelly> Lars_1: so the machine actually booted.
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2580[21:32:31] <Lars_1> i ll count that as an achievement
2581[21:32:33] <jelly> now look at lsmod output
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2584[21:33:01] <jelly> is there anything in eg. lsmod|grep nvidia
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2586[21:33:12] <Lars_1> drm_kms_helper : nvidia_drm, i915
2587[21:33:27] <jelly> there should be more.
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2589[21:33:54] <jelly> but nvidia_drm is a good sign
2590[21:33:56] <greycat> dpkg, no, nvidia dkms is <reply>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"n\tIdentifier "My GPU"n\tDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
2591[21:33:56] <dpkg> okay, greycat
2592[21:33:57] <Lars_1> yeo
2593[21:34:03] <greycat> we'll go with "put it back" for now.
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2596[21:34:46] <Lars_1> nvidia_modest, nvidia, ipmi_msghandler, drm_kms_helper
2597[21:34:47] <Lars_1> etc
2598[21:34:50] <duk> jhutchins_wk, my dude, this is my new username, it's all registered and verified too
2599[21:35:14] <jelly> Lars_1: ok, that means the kernel part of the driver was built and loaded successfully
2600[21:35:28] <Lars_1> 2nd achievement
2601[21:35:33] <Lars_1> next?
2602[21:35:36] <duk> jhutchins_wk, it's xd123 btw
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2604[21:36:10] <jhutchins_wk> duk: Progress!
2605[21:36:16] <jelly> Lars_1: is there a /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and is it recent?
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2607[21:36:49] <Lars_1> in lsmod| grep nvidia?
2608[21:36:54] <Lars_1> jelly
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2610[21:36:59] <jelly> on the filesystem.
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2612[21:37:05] <jelly> ls -ld /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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2614[21:37:42] <Lars_1> yea the file is present
2615[21:37:50] <Lars_1> jelly
2616[21:37:55] <jelly> pastebin the contents.
2617[21:38:06] <Lars_1> how?
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2619[21:38:10] <jelly> install pastebinit tool and use it
2620[21:38:14] <Lars_1> ok
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2626[21:39:04] <Lars_1> whats the command to use pastebin?
2627[21:39:08] <Lars_1> jelly
2628[21:40:10] <greycat> Lars_1: you mean, from the console? one common way is your command | nc termbin.com 9999
2629[21:40:32] <jelly> Lars_1: pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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2631[21:40:38] <Lars_1> ok
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2633[21:41:12] <jelly> if that fails try pastebinit -b replaced-url
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2635[21:41:44] <Lars_1> just did it
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2638[21:42:11] <Lars_1> last line if the output says,,..... replaced-url
2639[21:42:18] <jelly> Lars_1: did it show an URL as result?
2640[21:42:30] <jelly> but nothing after replaced-url
2641[21:42:37] <jelly> that's not good
2642[21:42:53] <Lars_1> no no url, nothing after .net/
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2644[21:42:59] <jelly> try, eg. pastebinit -b replaced-url
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2646[21:43:13] <Lars_1> ok
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2648[21:43:38] <jelly> that works on my buster
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2650[21:44:11] <jelly> the people managing paste.debian.net seem to break or change the api all too often
2651[21:44:21] <Lars_1> got it
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2653[21:44:52] <jelly> you need to tell us the resulting URL
2654[21:45:05] <Lars_1> paste.ubuntu.com/p/Hcptd5NNbC/
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2656[21:45:48] <greycat> still needs a login to read the raw version :(
2657[21:46:31] <jelly> wtf
2658[21:46:41] <Lars_1> is it cancer?
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2660[21:47:18] <jelly> well, the userspace part of the driver thinks there is no nvidia card it can attach to
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2662[21:47:50] <jelly> ,pciid 10de:1d10
2663[21:47:51] <judd> [10de:1d10] is 'GP108M [GeForce MX150]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also replaced-url
2664[21:48:03] <Lars_1> guess by the time we ll sort this problem humans will reach mars
2665[21:48:23] <jelly> nvidia-detect 10de:1d10 says...
2666[21:48:34] <jelly> Your card is supported by the default drivers and legacy driver series 390.
2667[21:49:09] <Lars_1> it says it supports that, but its not concious of it
2668[21:49:17] <jelly> so this driver ought to work. The default one ought to work as well.
2669[21:49:23] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: I thought I saw an i915 go by, is it hybrid?
2670[21:49:29] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: it is.
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2672[21:49:51] <greycat> The wiki warns not to use the xorg.conf.d thing for Optimus systems.
2673[21:50:06] <jelly> Lars_1: I have no idea if additional steps need to be taken for a system with both intel and nvidia gpu.
2674[21:50:22] <greycat> replaced-url
2675[21:50:23] <Lars_1> can i go back to intel?
2676[21:50:40] <jelly> Lars_1: try to rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and reboot again
2677[21:50:42] <Lars_1> so we should go with bumblebee?
2678[21:51:07] <jhutchins_wk> Lars_1: "We" should read some documentation.
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2680[21:51:42] <Lars_1> Will do that for sure next time sir.
2681[21:51:57] <jelly> ,v bumblebee
2682[21:51:58] <judd> Package: bumblebee on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.1-7; stretch: 3.2.1-14; bullseye: 3.2.1-20; buster: 3.2.1-20; sid: 3.2.1-20
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2684[21:52:28] <jelly> Lars_1: go read replaced-url
2685[21:52:38] <Lars_1> lets continue with bumblebee? my systems broken already, guess we can broke it some more
2686[21:52:39] <jelly> well some of us. I'm just about done
2687[21:52:44] <Lars_1> ok
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2694[21:56:08] <jelly> Lars_1: you already have an equivalent of libgl1-nvidia-glx installed. I'd continue with steps at replaced-url
2695[21:56:57] <Lars_1> ok
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2697[21:57:18] <Lars_1> i am booted up
2698[21:57:30] <Lars_1> jelly,i removed that file as told.
2699[21:57:38] <jelly> with a gui login screen, or text mode only as before?
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2701[21:58:01] <Lars_1> proper gui screen
2702[21:58:10] <jelly> that's just intel
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2704[21:58:16] <Lars_1> yep
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2706[21:58:42] <jelly> verify libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx is installed, then install the rest of bumblebee bits
2707[21:58:54] <jelly> dpkg -l packagename
2708[21:58:54] <dpkg> ii packagename 3.6-13 jelly's private porn collection
2709[21:58:56] <Lars_1> 350 or 390m
2710[21:59:19] <Lars_1> sorry 340 or 390?
2711[21:59:21] <jelly> eugh... whichever you installed before :-)
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2713[21:59:31] <Lars_1> ok
2714[21:59:59] <jelly> 390xx apparently
2715[22:00:28] <jelly> in that case it might be either libgl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx-glvnd-glx or libgl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx-glx
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2717[22:00:54] <jelly> I'm honestly not sure about the difference. Let's assume that if any one of those is installed, that's fine
2718[22:00:55] <Lars_1> its all installed
2719[22:01:10] <Lars_1> some firmware files are missing
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2721[22:01:32] <Abdullah> my touchpad on thinkpad stops working after a suspend or sometime.
2722[22:01:52] <jelly> Lars_1: does "optirun glxgears -info" work now (as normal user)?
2723[22:02:02] <Lars_1> jelly, names goes like this... xxx_xxx_ver01_07_1398.bin
2724[22:02:21] <jelly> Lars_1: that's not complete output and I have no idea what it means.
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2726[22:02:59] <jelly> hopefully now you can pastebin things
2727[22:03:11] <Lars_1> says i have no permission to connect with bumblebee daemon and after running it with sudo says glxgears: no such file or directory
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2729[22:03:40] <Lars_1> m doing pastebin then ok?
2730[22:04:02] <jelly> ,file bin/glxgears
2731[22:04:08] <judd> Search for bin/glxgears in buster/amd64: mesa-utils: usr/bin/glxgears
2732[22:04:18] <jelly> Lars_1: install mesa-utils to get that command
2733[22:04:48] <jelly> and you probably need to log off and back on again to activate membership of bumblebee group.
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2735[22:05:17] <jelly> Lars_1: does "id -a yourusername" show you're supposed to be a member of that group now?
2736[22:05:26] <Lars_1> jelly, paate.ubuntu.com/p/Bq4pw3gxGt/
2737[22:05:44] <Lars_1> jelly, paste.ubuntu.com/p/Bq4pw3gxGt/
2738[22:05:57] <greycat> I thought you had X working now, and yet you're manually retyping URLs?
2739[22:06:35] <annadane> how does exactly the same link not work in one instance...
2740[22:06:35] <Lars_1> sorry will that exactly next time
2741[22:06:54] <Lars_1> *do
2742[22:07:07] <jelly> Lars_1: that basically just tells us "X is working and intel gpu is driving outputs on your system and not nvidia directly"
2743[22:07:41] <Lars_1> are you guys devs at debian ?
2744[22:07:50] <jelly> Lars_1: next steps are, if the wiki is to be trusted, "verify you're a member of group bumblebee"
2745[22:07:54] <jelly> no.
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2747[22:08:16] <jelly> some others are, not me tho
2748[22:08:50] <jelly> speinding devs time on low level tech support would be somewhat wasteful
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2751[22:09:08] <Lars_1> this was 9th attempt doing this nvidia thing, i guess i should move on from debian to something else, guess its time to move on
2752[22:09:29] <Lars_1> i really appreciate you all guys helping me.
2753[22:09:35] <jelly> how is it 9th time now when you haven't even finished the 8th time
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2755[22:09:48] <Lars_1> its quit time maybe ?
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2757[22:09:53] <jelly> why?
2758[22:10:02] <Sark> So, minor thing to mention - but the installer for Debian 10 has something wrong with the font, or the way it's scaled, because some lines of text are *blurry*. replaced-url
2759[22:10:05] <Lars_1> then whats next?
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2761[22:10:13] <annadane> never mind, first one is 'paate.ubuntu.com', i should actually learn to read
2762[22:10:14] <jelly> [22:08] <jelly> Lars_1: next steps are, if the wiki is to be trusted, "verify you're a member of group bumblebee"
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2764[22:10:34] <jelly> Lars_1: did you read that wiki page for bumblebee
2765[22:10:52] <Sark> Anyone know what causes this? Just curious, it really doesn't matter since it's only in the installer, but still. It's strange, and I've never seen anything do this before.
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2767[22:11:02] <Lars_1> i need to sign up ?? i read that page
2768[22:11:24] <jelly> Lars_1: and are you trying to follow the steps
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2770[22:11:51] <Lars_1> dude i did,
2771[22:11:57] <SerajewelKS> Sark: that just looks like the video hardware is outputting an image smaller than the monitor's native resolution, and the monitor is upscaling it
2772[22:12:10] <SerajewelKS> Sark: try turning off upscaling on your monitor, if it has that option
2773[22:12:17] <Sark> It doesn't - it has no native resolution.
2774[22:12:27] <Sark> It should be clear in all resolutions.
2775[22:12:27] <jelly> Lars_1: ok. Did you verify you're a member of group bumblebee, after installing bumblebee and primus packages?
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2777[22:12:53] <SerajewelKS> Sark: is it a CRT?
2778[22:12:56] <Sark> Yes.
2779[22:13:10] <Lars_1> no i dont know how to verify
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2781[22:13:20] <jelly> Lars_1: the command is "id"
2782[22:13:26] <greycat> 16:05 jelly> Lars_1: does "id -a yourusername" show you're supposed to be a member of that group now?
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2785[22:13:41] <jelly> oh right, id -a yourusername
2786[22:13:43] <greycat> "id" to show your CURRENT privs, "id $LOGNAME" to show your FUTURE privs
2787[22:13:56] <greycat> -a is ignored, apparently
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2789[22:15:01] <Lars_3> id gave this: uid=1000(commandline) gid=1000(commandline) groups=1000(commandline),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),112(bluetooth),117(lpadmin),118(scanner)
2790[22:15:15] <jelly> Lars_3: and "id commandline" ?
2791[22:15:25] <jelly> or "id -a commandline"?
2792[22:15:29] <Lars_3> id -a "yourusername" gave this: uid=1000(commandline) gid=1000(commandline) groups=1000(commandline),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),112(bluetooth),117(lpadmin),118(scanner),998(bumblebee)
2793[22:15:40] <Lars_1> hmm same
2794[22:15:41] <greycat> Lars_3: you see the difference, yes?
2795[22:15:46] <jelly> Lars_3: it's not the same
2796[22:15:53] <Lars_1> yea
2797[22:15:56] <Lars_1> not same
2798[22:16:03] <greycat> So you need to log out and back in.
2799[22:16:09] <SerajewelKS> Sark: then it may be that the monitor needs to adjust. what happens if you press the auto-adjust button?
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2802[22:16:22] <jelly> (because group memberships are only set at login)
2803[22:16:30] <Sark> It's a CRT. There is no auto adjust. They don't work like that.
2804[22:16:30] <SerajewelKS> Sark: i've only seen this effect when there is some kind of digital scaling of the picture. it could happen in the video hardware or in the monitor.
2805[22:16:46] <Sark> There isn't any digital section to the monitor.
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2807[22:17:11] <SerajewelKS> like i said, the scaling could be happening in the video hardware
2808[22:17:11] <Sark> I guess it could be something weird with the video hardware in the computer?
2809[22:17:25] <Sark> But this is a pretty boring, standard sort of computer. Optiplex 390.
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2811[22:17:27] <SerajewelKS> TBH that's the only place that it would make sense given your description of the hardware
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2813[22:17:41] <Lars_1> jelly, i logged in again and now it says, Oh no! Something has gone wrong
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2815[22:17:58] <jelly> heh
2816[22:18:09] <SerajewelKS> right i forgot auto-adjust is for digital displays that accept VGA
2817[22:18:22] <jelly> Lars_1: maybe reboot and try to log in again
2818[22:18:25] <Sark> I've just not seen this happen before. I'll poke around in the BIOS, maybe there's some setting for the video hardware there that's messed up? Or perhaps the installer isn't properly initializing the video hardware.
2819[22:18:32] <SerajewelKS> Sark: i'd look in the BIOS settings. i've seen display scaling settings in there on some systems.
2820[22:18:39] <Sark> It's not using the standard VGA text font, it's doing it's own thing.
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2822[22:19:14] <Lars_1> rebboted its again stuck at hibernation
2823[22:19:45] <SerajewelKS> Sark: right, it does replace the font. but it's still VGA text mode. it's not using a framebuffer or anything. therefore i don't think the curses UI could do this, and i doubt the kernel is responsible either.
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2826[22:19:55] <Sark> Interesting.
2827[22:20:08] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Actually, the protocol for autodetect and auto-adjust was present in some (but not all) CRT monitors too.
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2829[22:20:44] <Sark> Actually, one thing I would like to find is where to replace the font - the font the installer picks is horrible, and I really just want the VGA text mode font back on the non-framebuffer console (after the system is installed)
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2831[22:21:13] <jelly> Lars_1: it's not stuck, press enter a couple times
2832[22:21:34] <jelly> Lars_1: or switch to ctrl-alt-f1 and then press enter
2833[22:22:25] <jelly> Lars_1: does the gui login screen not appear on this boot?
2834[22:22:26] <SerajewelKS> Sark: IIRC it's "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" but i might be wrong
2835[22:22:41] <Lars_1> i did ctrl+alt+f1, logged in, removed everything nvidia, now it booted again, m on the logged in gui
2836[22:22:48] <Sark> I'll mess with that. Thanks SerajewelKS!
2837[22:22:52] <jelly> sigh
2838[22:23:04] <SerajewelKS> Sark: np. btw i'm pretty sure i've seen the scaling option in the BIOS on other dells too.
2839[22:23:14] <Lars_1> any other step?
2840[22:23:29] <jelly> Lars_1: wasn't the point of this whole exercise to make that "everything nvidia" work?
2841[22:23:37] <Lars_1> yep
2842[22:23:42] <Lars_1> which it did not!
2843[22:23:45] <SerajewelKS> Sark: i think the theory is that the display hardware can output the "correct" resolution for the monitor all the time, preventing the display glitching out for a few seconds every time the system tries to change the output resolution.
2844[22:23:55] <jelly> so why did you remove it, instead of asking what to do next?
2845[22:24:08] <SerajewelKS> Sark: the trade-off is you have to live with scaling artifacts when the OS is trying to display at a resolution that's not optimal for the display
2846[22:24:14] <hop> because shotgun!
2847[22:24:27] <jelly> Lars_1: debugging is an iterative process
2848[22:24:29] <Sark> Interesting. I'll have to look at that, maybe I can turn it off.
2849[22:24:56] <Lars_1> sir, its scary, i dont know when u may leave the chat, i ll be stuck so to be just on the safe side did that
2850[22:25:01] <Sark> This is a new computer to me, so I haven't spent a whole lot of time with it yet.
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2853[22:25:28] <jelly> Lars_1: okay, I'm going to take the opportunity to stop now, then :-)
2854[22:25:32] <Sark> I don't have an LCD display, so it seems silly to have something trying to pre-scale anything, since the normal monitors can just automatically adjust to any resolution so long as it's within range.
2855[22:25:37] <jelly> good luck!
2856[22:25:54] <Lars_1> jelly, lets try it someother time ?
2857[22:26:10] <jelly> perhaps in about 22 hours from now
2858[22:26:20] <Abdullah> touchpad isn't working after suspend or after sometime
2859[22:26:21] <SerajewelKS> Sark: it doesn't make much sense to me either, i just know it's a thing that exists :)
2860[22:26:28] <Sark> Now, I did just check the menu in the monitor - it's running at a really strange non-standard resoution. 720x400 at 70hz. What the heck is going on? I've never heard of that before. It's not even the correct aspect ratio for anything.
2861[22:26:35] <Lars_1> jelly, so may be lets continue it?
2862[22:27:01] * jelly has half a mind to buy a T25 thinkpad just to see how broken these optimus setups are
2863[22:27:12] <SerajewelKS> oh boy, optimus
2864[22:27:22] <SerajewelKS> a coworker has one of those setups and it's pretty much hell
2865[22:28:03] <jelly> Sark: 720x400 is actually standard VGA text mode
2866[22:28:16] <Lars_1> why cant we just have an "Additional Drivers" section in the software & updates?
2867[22:28:18] <jelly> (80x25 characters, in a 9x16 size)
2868[22:28:30] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Like so many hardware implementation problems, Optimus works great when it works, and is miserable to deal with when it doesn't.
2869[22:28:40] <jelly> Lars_1: mostly because Debian does not go out of its way to help with non-free software
2870[22:28:55] <jelly> Lars_1: and all this nvidia-driver stuff is, well, non-free software
2871[22:28:57] <Lars_1> Out of all tye OS's Popos did the best
2872[22:29:05] <Lars_1> hmm i understand
2873[22:29:06] <Sark> Huh - I guess not one I remeber - I was thinking of VGA text mode as being 640x480. I could just be misremembering.
2874[22:29:30] <jelly> Sark: that's a graphical mode with square pixels
2875[22:29:36] <Sark> Ah, right.
2876[22:30:23] <jelly> old vga cards could do neat setups for text modes, say 100x37 (= 800x600) @ 90Hz
2877[22:31:01] <jelly> but typical LCD monitors can't deal with such a range of vert. refresh
2878[22:31:08] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: sounds like printing
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2882[22:32:17] <jhutchins_wk> One of these days I'm going to have to move my printer to the port on the router and see if cups can handle that. It uses a 32b wrapper, and I can't get it to work on my wife's newer computer.
2883[22:34:26] <jelly> text mode-alike fonts! replaced-url
2884[22:34:37] <jhutchins_wk> What's the factoid for changing the network naming scheme?
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2886[22:35:17] <greycat> replaced-url
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2889[22:35:39] <SerajewelKS> !disable persistent interface naming
2890[22:35:39] <dpkg> Persistent naming of network interfaces (ask me about <udev mac>) is a recommended Debian system default, but this can be disabled. For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" and later releases: «touch /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules && rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules».
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2892[22:35:45] <SerajewelKS> well that's just wrong ^
2893[22:36:22] <greycat> !factinfo disable persistent interface naming
2894[22:36:23] <dpkg> disable persistent interface naming -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@gsimmons.org> at Wed Jun 2 16:16:47 2010 (3374 days); it has been requested 38 times, last by SerajewelKS, 43s ago.
2895[22:36:26] <SerajewelKS> !interface names
2896[22:36:26] <dpkg> Starting with <stretch>, network interface names have changed from the previous convention of eth0, eth1/wlan0, wlan1 to names based on the device vendor or driver. This has some upsides and some downsides. For more information and options, see replaced-url
2897[22:36:29] <jelly> dpkg, disable persistent interface naming =~ s/ and later/ up to Debian 9/
2898[22:36:44] <jelly> SerajewelKS: now it's technically NOT wrong!
2899[22:37:15] <greycat> I do not understand what that factoid is even trying to achieve.
2900[22:38:03] <jelly> confusion?
2901[22:38:05] <greycat> But it sounds vaguely like what Gene is asking for on debian-user.
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2903[22:39:08] <greycat> wtf is "/etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules" and how do I find out what creating that (empty) file does?
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2909[22:40:47] <jelly> greycat: it used to be a generator that created and saved the 70-persistent-net.rules file IIRC
2910[22:41:24] <jelly> presumably touching an empty one in /etc/udev/rules would override the real one in /lib
2911[22:41:39] * greycat logs into a squeeze box to see this thing
2912[22:41:44] <jelly> thus, disabling the creation of 70-* forever?
2913[22:42:07] <jelly> but today it's not generated anyway
2914[22:42:35] <greycat> yeah, there's no 75-persistent-thingy in buster
2915[22:42:39] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I think that's where udev drops the link between an interface name and it's MAC. If it links to /dev/null that doesn't do anything.
2916[22:43:00] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Right, different mechanism in the later kernels.
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2918[22:43:49] <jelly> !listvals net.ifnames=0
2919[22:43:50] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'net.ifnames=0' by value (1): dpni.
2920[22:44:02] <jelly> uh.
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2923[22:44:20] <jelly> dpkg, literal disable persistent interface naming
2924[22:44:20] <dpkg> "disable persistent interface naming" is "<reply>Persistent naming of network interfaces (ask me about <udev mac>) is a recommended Debian system default, but this can be disabled. For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" and later releases: «touch /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules && rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules»."
2925[22:44:28] <jelly> dpkg, literal dpni
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2927[22:44:29] <dpkg> "dpni" is "<reply>To disable Predictable Network Interface naming and revert back to the old interface naming, run "ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link" as root (without quotes). Creating this symbolic link prevents systemd from being able to change interface names. You will need to unplug/replug your device or reboot/reload module. Alternatively add net.ifnames=0 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub and reboot."
2928[22:44:46] <greycat> persistent != predictable
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2930[22:44:54] <jelly> one is persistent, other is predic... right
2931[22:45:13] <jelly> this is why we can't have nice things!
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2934[22:46:01] <jelly> dpkg, listvals biosdevname
2935[22:46:03] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'biosdevname' by value returned no results.
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2939[22:48:13] <greycat> also, it ignored your =~
2940[22:48:24] <greycat> still says squeeze and later
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2949[22:53:46] <jelly> yeah, I've given up
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2956[22:56:22] <mystic> Running MX linux, wifi not working. tried the terminal commands that fixed the issue on ubuntu, didnt work on mx. please advice
2957[22:56:31] <greycat> !mxlinux
2958[22:56:31] <dpkg> Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
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2961[22:57:05] <mystic> if its not supported, why is this the default room mx hexchat sends me too?
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2967[22:57:55] <jelly> because mx people did not fix their hexchat package and left it exactly as in the parent distro, presumably
2968[22:58:05] <mystic> lazy sods
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2970[22:58:22] <jelly> well, tiny distros have to pick what they'll work on
2971[22:58:22] <greycat> Because the developers of certain other distributions are assholes that send their users HERE so they won't have to do as much supporting.
2972[22:58:44] <mystic> maybe im an asshole too.. but help would be appreciated
2973[22:58:46] <jelly> tbh we are also assholes, punting their users out
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2975[22:59:06] <jelly> it's assholes all the way down
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2978[22:59:31] <mystic> assholes n asshats.. what else we got
2979[23:00:11] <jelly> if you try to install actual debian, then we can go suggest things to make wifi working
2980[23:00:18] <beavis> asspenies
2981[23:00:29] <sunzero> with what tool can i set fan/gpu settings to nvidia card, and save it hardwarely after reboot
2982[23:00:34] <sunzero> specially fan
2983[23:00:38] <jelly> like "use unofficial installer that already has most of the firmware inside"
2984[23:00:39] <sunzero> some sensor package?
2985[23:00:46] <mystic> my wifi doesnt work on any linux distro
2986[23:00:48] <sunzero> they are changed by default (hardwarely) by mining apps (tools)
2987[23:01:04] <mystic> but i cna get it working on ubuntu with some terminal commands i found
2988[23:01:09] <mystic> didnt work on mx though
2989[23:01:10] <jelly> mystic: oh, then get a wifi card that works on linux
2990[23:01:23] <mystic> or linux pull your finger out and support it
2991[23:01:32] <jelly> atheros chipsets
2992[23:01:34] <mystic> like good ol windows duz
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2995[23:02:11] <sunzero> who knows
2996[23:02:19] <mystic> so what do i need to type to make it work ?
2997[23:02:26] <mystic> 'work u sonofa' ?
2998[23:02:26] <jelly> mystic: paying kernel devs hours to make your card work will be a LOT more expensive than getting an atheros mini pcie or usb
2999[23:02:51] <mystic> well. if linux isnt up to par, i will use windows when need be. often it seems
3000[23:02:52] <jhutchins_wk> !info fancontrol
3001[23:02:59] <dpkg> fancontrol: (utility to control the fan speed), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 100 kB
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3003[23:03:08] <magic_ninja_work> jelly, atheros a good wifi chip for linux?
3004[23:03:30] <jhutchins_wk> mystic: We can almost always get them to work, it just requires some tinkering.
3005[23:03:37] <jelly> magic_ninja_work: many wifi chips from that company Just Work
3006[23:03:41] <sunzero> jhutchins: which is the package
3007[23:03:56] <mystic> im hamfisted.. i dont tinker. something will break under the force
3008[23:04:02] <jelly> some even have free firmware
3009[23:04:09] <jhutchins_wk> mystic: Many wifi chipsets require "firmware" that sets channel frequencies and power levels and is not free, so needs to be manually installed.
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3013[23:04:38] <mystic> this works in ubuntu..if i paste the right code, so download is enough
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3015[23:05:20] <jhutchins_wk> sunzero: Sorry, I just realized that's not released yet. There's something available though, it's been around for years.
3016[23:05:34] <sunzero> ok
3017[23:05:47] <mystic> what do i need to type to make it work
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3019[23:06:16] <sunzero> jhutchins thanks
3020[23:06:28] <jelly> sunzero: I suppose if anyone knows it will be the people in #nouveau channel, if that's the driver you use
3021[23:06:43] <mystic> club nouveu
3022[23:06:49] <jhutchins_wk> sunzero: Sorry, I misinterpreted that, fancontrol is available in stretch and buster too.
3023[23:07:22] <sunzero> ok thank you :D
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3025[23:07:29] <sunzero> i will see
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3027[23:08:08] <swift110> hey guys
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3030[23:08:47] <mystic> any ideas?
3031[23:08:48] <jhutchins_wk> sunzero: As for the GPU I have no idea on that.
3032[23:09:01] <mystic> or just forget mx and go back to windows/ubuntu ?
3033[23:09:49] <sunzero> jhutchins this is terrible but this mining gits are terrible they are chaning fan speed randomly some times if you compile it or apt-get it
3034[23:09:55] <jhutchins_wk> mystic: You need to figure out what chipset it is and whether it needs firmware. dmesg | grep firmware will tell you some of that (or dmesg | less and search, that shows you lines on either side as well.
3035[23:10:06] <jhutchins_wk> (There's a way to do that with grep but I've never use it.)
3036[23:10:07] <jelly> mystic: two things a) symptoms not clear enough b) not debian
3037[23:10:20] <mystic> i cant figure that out even if i get the results
3038[23:10:36] <mystic> oh well.. i'll pass on mx then..
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3042[23:10:57] <jhutchins_wk> mystic: Yeah, Ubuntu's probably your best fit.
3043[23:10:59] <mystic> only linux i can use pretty well is ubuntu.. the rest are a bit flaky at best
3044[23:11:31] <mystic> havent got round to designing gui's yet and rely on tarballs n terminals. cant be going down that road
3045[23:11:46] <jhutchins_wk> mystic: Not really, they just take a little more work. Ubuntu does a lot of the subtle things for you.
3046[23:12:00] <mystic> thats what i want.. the rest i dont have time for
3047[23:12:10] <mystic> or the desire to loose my hair learning terminal language
3048[23:12:52] <jhutchins_wk> mystic: Remember something like 96% of the internet runs on linux, and (almost?) all animated movies are rendered on linux server farms.
3049[23:12:53] <mystic> i was gonna give mx a crack.. see if it might be better than ubuntu for me. i think not
3050[23:13:11] <jhutchins_wk> mystic: So some distros may be flakey, but linux in general is not.
3051[23:13:19] <mystic> thats great, if ure a geek who creates it. as a user, its no good for me
3052[23:13:34] <swift110> linux is awesome
3053[23:13:46] <mystic> i cant builda car, and if i bought one id be offended if they then told me to build it
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3055[23:14:29] <mystic> im sure linux runs great.. seems to... but i have to go with gui's.. every time
3056[23:14:35] <jhutchins_wk> mystic: If you deliberately bought a kit car that would be more like linux. Great control, customization, and performance, some work required.
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3058[23:14:56] <jhutchins_wk> mystic: You can buy systems with linux already installed and running.
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3060[23:15:04] <mystic> id only would have bought the kit car if i was told 'even my grandma has one, its easy' the lie that hooks you lol
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3064[23:15:59] <mystic> sorry got to go work
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3066[23:18:08] <humpled> :\/
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3069[23:18:55] <mystic> back.. had to boot int osomething i can work on
3070[23:19:05] <humpled> are you mystic?
3071[23:19:13] <mystic> am i wat
3072[23:19:27] <humpled> from politics/derp channels
3073[23:19:35] <mystic> no
3074[23:19:37] <mystic> i dont go there
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3076[23:19:49] <humpled> oh, you remind me of them
3077[23:19:50] <mystic> im mystic from linux drives me nuts channels
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3081[23:21:42] <OS-46011> !bruce
3082[23:21:43] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, bruce is a metasyntactic variable or the head of the mythical Open Source Initiative or the person that was deposed as head of LSB in a coup or the person that has helped make Qt OpenSource.
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3085[23:22:45] <mystic> !george
3086[23:22:45] * dpkg pokes george.... yep, he's asleep
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3090[23:24:18] <mystic> is it possible to run linux on a commodore 64?
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3099[23:30:08] <jelly> OS-46011: you probably want the #offsec channel, not #debian
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3101[23:31:19] <mystic> no banter allowed here?
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3105[23:33:27] <dvs> nope
3106[23:33:37] <dvs> strictly help
3107[23:33:39] <mystic> was my question classed as banter?
3108[23:34:05] <jelly> !offtopic
3109[23:34:05] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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3111[23:34:24] <mystic> can debian be run on a commodore 64 then ?
3112[23:34:31] <jelly> !slap mystic
3113[23:34:31] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across mystic's face
3114[23:34:37] <mystic> :/
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3121[23:37:26] <mystic> !slap mystic
3122[23:37:26] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across mystic's face
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3126[23:39:09] <jelly> is GEOS not good enough for you
3127[23:39:15] <dvs> heh
3128[23:39:28] <mystic> whats that
3129[23:39:28] * dvs prefers Workbench
3130[23:40:08] <jelly> a gui OS for C64, C128
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3132[23:41:07] <jelly> exactly the kind of question seriousness for #debian-offtopic
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3136[23:42:40] <swift110> sup jelly
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3143[23:43:12] <Woniken> hey jelly remember OtakuSenpai
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3149[23:47:27] <mystic> i will look at geos on youtube, thanks
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