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1[00:00:14] <Synaptic> any way (except try it) to see if kernel 4.19 support a certain hardware?
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7[00:01:55] <jhutchins> Synaptic: Review changelogs, review kernel code, configuration options, get the pciid of the hardware and google.
8[00:01:58] <somiaj> Synaptic: get the actual chipset of your hardware and look up what kernel version first had support.
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19[00:04:24] <Synaptic> replaced-url
20[00:04:30] <Synaptic> here found changes and new supported hardware
21[00:04:44] <somiaj> Sure, but you also ahve to look at 4.18, 4.17, all the way down to 4.10
22[00:04:55] <somiaj> It is better to figure out exactly what chipset you have and figure out if/when linux kernel supported it
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34[00:08:57] <Synaptic> chipset is RT3290
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38[00:11:19] <Synaptic> replaced-url
39[00:11:26] <Synaptic> found this but i dont know if can apply to stretch
40[00:11:34] <Synaptic> its made for ubuntu
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42[00:13:15] <Synaptic> replaced-url
43[00:13:18] <Synaptic> and here its the same
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46[00:17:48] <somiaj> Synaptic: Is that your wirless or bluetooth chip, or are they the same. 'lsmod | grep rt' what sort of modules are loaded any like rt2800 or rt3290?
47[00:18:02] <somiaj> it appears support has been around for this for a while, so if that is your chipset, I don't think upgrading the kernel will help much.
48[00:18:48] <Synaptic> rt3290
49[00:18:52] <Synaptic> wifi and bluetooth together
50[00:18:56] <Synaptic> but wifi work great
51[00:19:09] <Synaptic> just needed to isntall the ralink firma
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53[00:20:27] <somiaj> hmm, looks like maybe the bluetooth needs an additional driver that might not be present in 4.9
54[00:20:43] <Synaptic> damn... is a almost 5 years old pc. and still drivers missing
55[00:20:52] <Synaptic> and asus... one of the best
56[00:21:18] <somiaj> A lot just depends on the hardware that is choosen, the wifi is fine, maybe bluetooth wasn't a high priority with that card.
57[00:21:24] <Synaptic> but i know i made it work on a previous distro
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59[00:21:48] <Synaptic> but i dont remember how and wich one it was
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61[00:21:56] <Synaptic> but was something related with this rtbh
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65[00:24:01] <Synaptic> somiaj, right now im running 4.10 ?
66[00:24:05] <Synaptic> because
67[00:24:07] <Synaptic> <tomreyn> from what i just read, it's supported since Linux 4.13. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS comes with Linux 4.15 by default.
68[00:24:18] <Synaptic> maybe he has reason
69[00:24:23] <Synaptic> should be good to try backport
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77[00:27:51] <somiaj> Synaptic: you should be running 4.09 if running stretch
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81[00:28:35] <somiaj> also it appears some third party module is needed to get bluetooth to work with that, rtbth, which doesn't seem to be included int he main line kernel. It would require a bit of work to get it to work in debian from what I'm reading, not something I would suggest with your current skill level (unless you really really wanto bluetooth, I woudl just go without)
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86[00:31:29] <Synaptic> ok
87[00:31:41] <Synaptic> no i just use it to connect my bose speaker
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89[00:31:44] <Synaptic> i will sue aux cable
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94[00:34:05] <wonderworld> hey, i have got a problem with iptables. a have a pretty simple setup -> replaced-url
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101[00:40:10] <jordanm> wonderworld: I would guess that the traffic to and from the vpn endpoint goes through a different interface
102[00:40:11] <dvs> wonderworld, it looks like you'll only allow traffic to go out of tun0 but not get i.
103[00:40:37] <dvs> n
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109[00:44:15] <wonderworld> hmm, i added iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -i tun0 for testing
110[00:44:16] <wonderworld> still nothing
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113[00:46:01] <dvs> maybe you need input for lo too? (Probably not related)
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120[00:54:27] <ganoush> wonderworld, start with the policy accept on all interfaces, then start closing untill you start loosing packets
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122[00:54:53] <ganoush> thaT would be one way to get it
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164[01:29:35] <HexTolens> About a year ago it was announced that Debian buster would be released in mid-2019 ( replaced-url
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171[01:36:17] <annadane> HexTolens, when the release critical bugs are fixed (i think there's under 100 at this point without patches) or those packages are removed for not timely fixing them
172[01:36:27] <annadane> no one knows for sure but i guess it'll be june/july
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177[01:39:39] <HexTolens> Ok thanks
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184[01:48:39] <tmroland> hi
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191[01:59:14] <TTT> hi, I have a problem on one of computers. If I do "ifconfig xxx down" on an USB-ethernet device, it doesn't come back up if I do "ifconfig xxx up". Seems to get suspended or something? Happens on one PC I own, doesn't happen on another. Tried two USB-ethernet devices, both work the same way
192[01:59:18] * dvs bets on June
193[01:59:32] <TTT> I don't have tlp nor laptop-mode-tools installed on that machine
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197[02:01:11] <TTT> any idea how to check what's going on and what takes down the power for that USB device? Can this be hardware specific, say USB controller or some such?
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199[02:01:25] <TTT> (I have 2nd Debian machine which does not have same issue, but different hardware)
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201[02:02:29] <TTT> I even tried having "options usbcore autosuspend=-1" in modprobe.d, though this will stop any USB from suspending, didn't help
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278[03:02:34] <Sveta> how do i use the 'trac' package after installing it on debian?
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309[03:30:14] <Synaptic> replaced-url
310[03:30:18] <Synaptic> why now this problem
311[03:30:26] <Synaptic> my source list is ok
312[03:31:05] <Sveta> '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' file permissions are problematic
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314[03:31:11] <Sveta> did you just make it today
315[03:31:19] <Synaptic> what to do_
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317[03:31:34] <Sveta> did it work before?
318[03:31:38] <Synaptic> yes
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320[03:32:14] <Synaptic> what i did is i replace stretch to buster in source list and i did apt update then i try apt dist/upgrade but i see that it was too much to download and i aborted it
321[03:32:21] <Synaptic> and replaced it back with stretch
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323[03:32:51] <Sveta> it is just a warning, you can ignore it
324[03:33:01] <Synaptic> but cannot fix it_
325[03:33:01] <Sveta> you can purge the debian-archive-keyring package and install it again
326[03:33:22] <Sveta> warnings are not fatal
327[03:34:03] <Synaptic> i deleted tyhis debian-archive-keyring
328[03:34:08] <Synaptic> but now not able to install it again
329[03:34:32] <Sveta> hrm?
330[03:34:40] <Synaptic> replaced-url
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332[03:35:02] <Sveta> install apt-transport-http, then
333[03:35:49] <Synaptic> not present in synaptic
334[03:35:54] <Synaptic> but is present https
335[03:36:01] <Synaptic> but not installing because http missing
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343[03:41:37] <Synaptic> apt-transport-http missing
344[03:41:40] <Synaptic> but https in installed
345[03:41:51] <Synaptic> cannot find either on the dpkg files the http one to be installed
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347[03:42:10] <Synaptic> and now i cannot install again debian-archive-keyring
348[03:42:21] <Synaptic> any idea Sveta ?
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359[03:48:47] <Sveta> Synaptic, weird
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362[03:49:20] <Sveta> Synaptic, please pastebin your /etc/apt/history.log
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365[03:49:54] <Synaptic> apt is missing also
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367[03:50:25] <Sveta> does the file exist?
368[03:50:27] <Synaptic> no history.log file
369[03:50:45] <Sveta> sorry
370[03:50:51] <Sveta> it is /var/log/apt/history.log
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373[03:51:40] <Synaptic> neither
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375[03:51:55] <Synaptic> sorry found
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378[03:52:30] <Synaptic> replaced-url
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386[03:54:29] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: why did you remove apt?
387[03:54:38] <Synaptic> i didnt..
388[03:54:47] <Synaptic> i mean i removed debian/archive keyring
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390[03:54:50] <Synaptic> and apt wen
391[03:55:21] <Synaptic> now i cannot find the .deb package of apt
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393[03:55:34] <Synaptic> replaced-url
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395[03:55:44] <Synaptic> it does not open the webpage
396[03:56:22] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
397[03:56:43] <Synaptic> yes
398[03:56:45] <Synaptic> ill try
399[03:57:18] <Synaptic> it keep loading the page
400[03:57:30] <Synaptic> timed out This site can’t be reached
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404[03:58:49] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: replaced-url
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415[04:00:40] <Synaptic> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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419[04:02:04] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: replaced-url
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426[04:04:50] <yepla> hello
427[04:05:15] <yepla> i m on debian stable and use qemu
428[04:05:53] <yepla> i would like know why qemu cannot be start with -display gtk
429[04:06:05] <Synaptic> ok jmcnaught got apt back
430[04:06:06] <yepla> it has not be compiled with this option
431[04:06:20] <Synaptic> replaced-url
432[04:06:42] <yepla> qemu-system-x86_64: -display gtk: GTK support is disabled
433[04:07:41] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
434[04:08:29] <Synaptic> ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
435[04:08:36] <Synaptic> -rw------- 1 root root 32 May 27 21:25 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
436[04:09:33] <aypea[1]> yepla: are you using buster?
437[04:09:38] <aypea[1]> oh wait. stable.
438[04:10:00] <aypea[1]> yepla: what version of qemu?
439[04:10:32] <aypea[1]> they split out gtk support but I can't remember when
440[04:10:46] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: "chmod 644 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg"
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445[04:14:13] <yepla> aypea[1]: QEMU emulator version 2.8.1
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447[04:14:45] <yepla> at least in current stable it this version ...
448[04:14:53] <yepla> it s the version i have ...
449[04:15:07] <aypea[1]> ahh. no idea then. the split was for buster.
450[04:15:26] <Synaptic> jmcnaught,
451[04:15:42] <Synaptic> done
452[04:16:02] <yepla> the split ? what you mean exactly ?
453[04:16:18] <Synaptic> jmcnaught, now?
454[04:16:31] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: now does apt update succeed?
455[04:16:38] <aypea[1]> under buster there's an additional package called qemu-system-gui which provides the gui for running locally
456[04:16:41] <Synaptic> no
457[04:16:55] <aypea[1]> this makes running qemu on servers lighter :)
458[04:17:01] <Synaptic> replaced-url
459[04:17:19] <yepla> aypea[1]: i m not using gui
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461[04:18:07] <aypea[1]> errr. -display gtk provides a gui afaik.
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464[04:19:25] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: did you do something like "chmod -R … /etc" earlier?
465[04:19:40] <Synaptic> i did a mistake
466[04:19:41] <yepla> aypea[1]: ok i see
467[04:20:07] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: it can be very difficult to recover from recursively changing all the permissions in /etc
468[04:20:12] <Synaptic> jmcnaught, i changed the source list to the testing one.. i launch uodate then i put it back strtch
469[04:20:30] <Synaptic> but i didnt do dist/upgrade
470[04:20:48] <Synaptic> lol im breaking 1 debian each day...
471[04:20:53] <Synaptic> now i can see its not for me
472[04:20:57] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: did you do "apt upgrade"? How far did it get, was it still downloading packages?
473[04:21:08] <Synaptic> i did just apt update
474[04:21:13] <Synaptic> then i launched apt dist/upgrade
475[04:21:17] <Synaptic> but i didnt press Y
476[04:21:23] <Synaptic> when i saw it was more then 2 gb
477[04:21:37] <Synaptic> then i went back to source list and put back all stretch
478[04:21:40] <Synaptic> and did apt update
479[04:22:01] <jmcnaught> that shouldn't have broken things like this. /etc/apt/trusted.gpg had the wrong permissions so only root could read it, I suspect other files and directories in /etc also have the wrong permissions
480[04:22:18] <Synaptic> is possible to fix it?
481[04:22:24] <Synaptic> or back to scratch?
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486[04:23:08] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: it's hard to say without knowing what you did. How did trusted.gpg's permissions get changed, did other files get their permissions changed too?
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495[04:30:07] <themill> There are reports of the synaptic package manager mangling the permissions on /etc/apt/trusted.gpg in some way. (I can't imagine how it does that)
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499[04:36:46] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: with that in mind perhaps look at the permissions for "ls -la /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/" (they should be world readable)
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518[04:55:13] <i336> hi. I'm running an old version of debian in qemu-system-arm, to try and get a specific ARMv7 binary program working. the program happens to depend on a bunch of debian squeeze libs, so naturally I'm using that.
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521[04:55:40] <i336> my problem is that all the GPG signatures on archive.debian.org have expired and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to disable gpgv in apt-get
522[04:56:33] <jmcnaught> !valid-until
523[04:56:33] <dpkg> rumour has it, valid-until is apt-get/aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false and/or see replaced-url
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525[04:57:26] <i336> *Emulation used Molasses* *it's super effective!*
526[04:57:29] * i336 waits
527[04:57:36] <jmcnaught> oh that might not work with squeeze
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530[04:58:00] <i336> ...yeah, nope :(
531[04:58:06] <i336> it's using an older version of apt-get iirc?
532[04:58:12] <i336> "# apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update" -> "W: GPG error: replaced-url
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535[04:58:47] <i336> I may or may not have tried replacing /usr/bin/gpgv with `gpgv_ "$@" 3>&1 | grep -v KEYEXPIRED 1>&3` but that didn't work either
536[04:59:26] <i336> of course moving gpgv out of the way doesn't work either
537[04:59:41] <somiaj> replaced-url
538[04:59:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
539[05:00:08] <somiaj> seems there is a few more things you may need to do to get around the key check in older releases. The last post explains a few other things they had to do for lenny. Assuming it will be the same.
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541[05:00:39] <i336> unfortunately I've discovered those too
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569[05:27:24] <i336> doh
570[05:28:25] <i336> somiaj, jmcnaught: date -s '2010-01-01' == it works
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572[05:29:03] <i336> since this is just a test/dev VM I can live with a wildly incorrect date, I guess
573[05:29:15] <somiaj> ,v fakedate
574[05:29:16] <judd> No package named 'fakedate' was found in amd64.
575[05:29:21] <i336> aaaaaaand the "time stamp .... s in the future" messages...
576[05:29:28] <i336> oh cool, that's right, thanks
577[05:29:47] <somiaj> hmm, there is some package that does fakedates so you don't have to actualy change your system date
578[05:29:51] <somiaj> forget its name though.
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581[05:30:03] * i336 needs the opposite of that
582[05:30:18] <i336> (altered system date, file dates correct)
583[05:30:36] <i336> until I figure out how to neuter gpgv
584[05:30:46] <i336> this works tho (for now). thanks for the assistance
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587[05:32:09] <somiaj> well fakedate gives the program (in this case apt) a fakedate so the app thinks it is a previous date, but your systemdate is unaltered
588[05:32:24] <somiaj> ,v faketime
589[05:32:25] <annadane> somiaj, faketime?
590[05:32:25] <judd> Package: faketime on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.6-3; stretch: 0.9.6-7+b1; buster: 0.9.7-3; sid: 0.9.7-3
591[05:32:27] <annadane> ha
592[05:32:32] <somiaj> there is the package name, took me a bit to look it up
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606[05:44:27] <ssa> Hi
607[05:45:15] <ssa> I'm trying to resolve consul. domains using dnsmasq. All appears to work, up to the step where I still need to point every dns query to use 127.0.0.1 as the nameserver.
608[05:45:41] <ssa> This works: dig +short @127.0.0.1 consul1.node.consul
609[05:45:52] <ssa> This doesn't: dig +short consul1.node.consul
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611[05:46:35] <ssa> To make the second one work, I have to modify /etc/resolv.conf and set "nameserver 127.0.0.1" on the top. However, my resolv.conf is auto managed (by Linode).
612[05:46:54] <ssa> Is there another way around configuring dnsmasq to use 127.0.0.1 as the server when resolving consul. domains?
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614[05:47:09] <ssa> Here's my /etc/dnsmasq.d/10-consul: replaced-url
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663[06:41:41] <ssa> If my /etc/resolv.conf is managed by my server host and doesn't include nameserver 127.0.0.1 in it, what can I do to make sure 127.0.0.1 is the first nameserver without modifying the resolv.conf file?
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671[06:45:22] <jmcnaught> ssa: sounds like you want resolvconf
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673[06:45:58] <ssa> It can do that?
674[06:46:19] <ssa> while still honouring /etc/resolv.conf?
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677[06:49:33] <jmcnaught> ssa: resolvconf helps when more than one thing wants to manage /etc/resolv.conf. You could edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head to put 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' at the top of the resolv.conf that resolvconf generates. The rest of resolv.conf will be the information supplied by your DHCP server.
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679[06:50:58] <ssa> Sounds like resolvconf will overwrite /etc/resolv.conf. Am I correct?
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682[06:51:14] <jmcnaught> It will, why can't it?
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684[06:51:34] <ssa> My host (linode) manages /etc/resolv.conf
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686[06:52:05] <ssa> It's part of what they do when configure it to "auto configure networking" for injecting my ip addresses (private and additional public)
687[06:52:16] <ssa> “replaced-url
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689[06:54:45] <jmcnaught> ssa: I guess you need to ask Linode if their Network Helper is compatible with resolvconf then. There's not going to be a way to add nameserver 127.0.0.1 without editing /etc/resolv.conf. Is network helper mandatory?
690[06:55:43] <ssa> It would require that I configure /etc/network/interfaces manually to add private IP to it.
691[06:56:04] <ssa> (on a cluster of many machines)
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693[06:56:51] <ssa> "The C library and other resolver libraries look to /etc/resolv.conf for a list of nameservers."
694[06:56:54] <ssa> – replaced-url
695[06:57:07] <ssa> That would mean there's nowhere else to prepend 127.0.0.1 to
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699[07:00:52] <ssa> If I have to script injecting the ip address variable into /etc/network/interfaces, it would be easier to instead add the nameserver to resolv.conf.
700[07:01:09] <ssa> Guess I have my answer... thanks for the help jmcnaught
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705[07:08:16] <magic_ninja> So I have several apps set to autostart in KDE, however when KDE first starts up, my network isn't working. They begin to work after wifi manager applet loads. Shouldn't my system itself be connecting?
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755[07:48:20] <midoriya> Hello all :)
756[07:48:29] <Sveta> hi midoriya :)
757[07:48:37] <midoriya> How's it going?
758[07:48:58] <Sveta> magic_ninja: i would be interested in knowing this, my kde behaves in the same way
759[07:49:08] <Sveta> midoriya: going ok, relaxing and mixing in some useful work as well
760[07:49:38] <ebbseriz> æ
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763[07:51:01] <midoriya> Sounds nice! I just got on my laptop and ran some updates. Everything's going smoothly on my installation of Debian sid :D
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765[07:51:21] <magic_ninja> midoriya, that is a pretty old version.
766[07:51:39] <magic_ninja> Sveta, I didn't find an answer, but I did try this.
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768[07:51:53] <midoriya> Sid is the unstable branch of Debian, lol :P
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770[07:51:56] <magic_ninja> alt+f1 --> type connections
771[07:52:00] <magic_ninja> grr I'm a dummie
772[07:52:03] <magic_ninja> I was thinking stretch
773[07:52:24] <midoriya> I started off with an installation of Buster, but wanted the latest software :D
774[07:52:58] <magic_ninja> Sveta, anyway, open the connections systems setting module, select your wifi network, select "all users may connect to this network"
775[07:53:01] <midoriya> Buster is pretty nice, though! I just want to use GNOME 3.32 when it gets released and that won't be in Buster's repos
776[07:53:17] <magic_ninja> I'm thinking that this will make the system log in at boot rather than having KDE do it.
777[07:53:27] <Sveta> magic_ninja: did it work for you? it's my relative's computer, so i won't be able to try it out instantly
778[07:53:40] <Sveta> magic_ninja: i also think it looks nice
779[07:53:43] <magic_ninja> I don't want to log out and log back in right now.
780[07:53:55] <Sveta> yeah just highlight me later when you've done that
781[07:53:56] <Sveta> :)
782[07:54:09] <magic_ninja> also, I don't need the latest and greatest. If I do I can go with a source install and wait for the repo. I just want my stuff to work.
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785[07:55:35] <midoriya> Definitely! I've never ran into any issues with Debian unstable (used to use Fedora as a daily driver, so I like staying on the bleeding edge.. I just miss the availability of .deb packages!), but I usually put LTS releases on spare machines
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815[08:24:16] <ssa> error executing "/tmp/terraform_599214478.sh": Process exited with status 100
816[08:24:19] <ssa> What's status 100?
817[08:24:45] <abrotman> is /tmp/ mounted noexec ?
818[08:24:57] <ssa> The script actually ran all the way as expected
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820[08:25:10] <ssa> The last command was to log "install complete!"
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822[08:25:25] <abrotman> Did you verify that?
823[08:25:26] <ssa> >&2 echo -e "${timestamp} [${level}] [$SCRIPT_NAME] ${message}"
824[08:25:32] <ssa> yes..
825[08:25:51] <ssa> null_resource.bootstrap-consul-servers[2] (remote-exec): 2019-05-28 06:17:55 [INFO] [install-dnsmasq.sh] Dnsmasq install complete!
826[08:26:11] <ssa> Immediately after that terraform aborts with the previous error
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829[08:26:46] <ssa> How do I check how /tmp is mounted?
830[08:27:20] <ssa> It's likely something with this script because there are others that run fine.
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834[08:28:22] <ssa> And that's not the only log entry either. There have been more info logs before this erring one :/
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840[08:30:05] <abrotman> ssa: it sounds like it was an error from something intternal to the script
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845[08:32:03] <tsujp> is the disk space from df -h with `G` GiB or GB?
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848[08:33:42] <SwedeMike> tsujp: it's the 1024 kind, so a 4TB drive shows up as 3.6T
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851[08:35:06] <ssa> abrotman: well actually it's erring on a script that's not mine. my script exits and then it's terraform running something on it's own that errors out.
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853[08:35:27] <ssa> And since I'm doing this on multiple machines, it's not always that it errs out like this
854[08:36:04] <ssa> I ssh'd into the machine but I dont see a file with the same name. There are a couple of others with a different timestamp value. THey're both empty.
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856[08:36:14] <ssa> /tmp/terraform_2070207192.sh etc
857[08:36:28] <ssa> I wonder what terraform is doing here
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862[08:39:43] <ssa> Found the only matching result on google: replaced-url
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1037[10:35:22] <Synaptic> im sorry guys, i give up, i know my limits and my ignorance... thank you for all the help that you all give to me in those days
1038[10:35:40] <Synaptic> but i aknowledge that Debian is not for me.. and im not good enough for debian
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1040[10:35:54] <Synaptic> i moved on mint... let see what will happen
1041[10:36:11] <Synaptic> i broke 3 debians in 3 days...
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1047[10:37:54] <Synaptic> bye
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1065[10:51:26] <annadane> if i have a message like libglvnd0-nvidia : Conflicts: libglvnd0 but 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1 is to be installed does that mean it wants to install the backported libglvnd0 but can't due to conflicts?
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1069[10:55:45] <annadane> replaced-url
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1072[10:57:11] <rant> annadane: I do believe I had suggested to you days ago using something like playonlinux or winetricks
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1074[10:59:38] <rant> annadane: replaced-url
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1081[11:02:24] <rant> annadane: those are virtual packages, i.e. like replaced-url
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1085[11:04:43] <rant> annadane: however the bigger problem is that you'd be upgrading core components of your system all to have a newer wine, when you can run a newer/older/any wine using one of the tools available
1086[11:04:48] <rant> ,i winetricks
1087[11:04:49] <judd> Package winetricks (contrib/otherosfs, optional) in stretch/amd64: package manager for Wine to install software easily. Version: 0.0+20170101-1; Size: 219.4k; Installed: 811k; Homepage: replaced-url
1088[11:04:53] <rant> ,i playonlinux
1089[11:04:54] <judd> Package playonlinux (contrib/otherosfs, optional) in stretch/amd64: front-end for Wine. Version: 4.2.10-2; Size: 1031.9k; Installed: 3033k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1093[11:07:35] <diogenes_> i find compiling the latest wine a better solution that work perfectly for me and you don't bloat your system too much.
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1097[11:08:51] <afidegnum> anyone familiar with copyq, now do i assigned pinned clipboared to specific keys?
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1102[11:10:41] <rant> playonlinux will allow you to easily have multiple versions of wine.. any from 0.9.7-4.9 installed
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1105[11:11:12] <rant> for i386 that is, for amd64 it has 1.1.38-4.9
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1108[11:12:26] <rant> I guess winetricks doesnt do this.. I thought it did, but playonlinux definitely does
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1111[11:13:31] <rant> I never saw the need for more than the two clipboards already available
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1113[11:14:08] <rant> afidegnum: replaced-url
1114[11:14:25] <annadane> "available wine versions 3.20"
1115[11:14:35] <annadane> well i guess that's a fair bit newer than on stretch
1116[11:14:55] <afidegnum> rant: thanks,
1117[11:15:00] <rant> annadane: playonlinux is only showing you up to 3.2?
1118[11:15:42] <annadane> in the wine versions manager yeah
1119[11:16:07] <rant> hmm.. on buster its showing me up to 4.9 I thought it went to winehq for this crap.. didnt think it was hardcoded
1120[11:16:20] <afidegnum> rant: apparently the default key mapping is to be used inside copyq not systemwide
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1122[11:16:35] <diogenes_> yeah 3.20 sucks, i didn't run my game so i had to compile 4.0 and all my games run.
1123[11:16:43] <diogenes_> it*
1124[11:16:53] * rant has crossover 17 and rarely uses it
1125[11:17:19] <annadane> meh i can try compiling it, then
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1127[11:18:48] <annadane> this whole thing is actually probably a red herring anyway, i'm purely doing all this to check if a game freezes on a newer wine version (it's very sporadic anyway)
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1139[11:31:31] <annadane> and anyway i can always hold out for buster
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1313[13:48:15] <nindustries> Hi, how easy is it to run a windows VM on a headless debian install?
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1317[13:48:21] <nindustries> this would be for a colocated server
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1352[14:07:59] <petn-randall> nindustries: There are many virtualization tools available: qemu/libvirt, xen, virtualbox, etc.
1353[14:08:00] <shidima> Its quit trivial with kvm
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1356[14:08:34] <KONODIODA> heyy
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1358[14:08:45] <nindustries> hmm
1359[14:08:50] <petn-randall> hi KONODIODA.
1360[14:09:02] <KONODIODA> I'm in a bit of a pickle here
1361[14:09:32] <petn-randall> !ask
1362[14:09:32] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1363[14:09:35] <KONODIODA> I installed Debian, but once I adjusted the screen res to my monitor size, I couldn't see the bars on the screen
1364[14:10:03] <petn-randall> KONODIODA: which bars?
1365[14:10:08] <KONODIODA> taskbars
1366[14:10:24] <petn-randall> KONODIODA: Is it a LCD screen?
1367[14:10:43] <KONODIODA> yes
1368[14:10:58] <KONODIODA> I had ajusted the resolution to 1920x1080
1369[14:11:14] <petn-randall> KONODIODA: How exactly? In the settings of your DE?
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1371[14:11:24] <HeXiLeD> will these replaced-url
1372[14:11:30] <KONODIODA> In the monitor settings on the OS
1373[14:11:50] <petn-randall> HeXiLeD: They should, yes.
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1375[14:12:24] <HeXiLeD> is there some .iso just for cmd line ?
1376[14:12:35] <petn-randall> KONODIODA: If the image looks cropped, I'd guess the monitor itself might have a setting called "overscan" activated, or you got the resolution somehow wrong.
1377[14:12:56] <petn-randall> HeXiLeD: Just boot it and press ctrl+alt+f3, and you got a terminal prompt.
1378[14:13:12] <KONODIODA> No, the image doesn't look cropped.
1379[14:13:26] <KONODIODA> Everything works fine, I can see the desktop. I just can't see the taskbar
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1381[14:14:24] <KONODIODA> They literally disappeared
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1383[14:15:01] <petn-randall> KONODIODA: And if you set the resolution back, does the taskbar show up again?
1384[14:15:05] <petn-randall> Which DE, btw?
1385[14:15:15] <HeXiLeD> will that happen before loading the WM? the box does not handle graphics
1386[14:15:56] <KONODIODA> Yes, they show again and I tried it with all DEs
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1389[14:16:15] <petn-randall> KONODIODA: On all DEs the taskbar disappears?
1390[14:16:20] <KONODIODA> Yep
1391[14:16:26] <petn-randall> That's really odd.
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1394[14:16:47] <KONODIODA> indeed
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1396[14:17:41] <KONODIODA> Well, I have to disconnect for now
1397[14:17:45] <KONODIODA> cya
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1414[14:24:42] <nindustries> petn-randall: are there any known problems with fuse-like filesystems in windows on kvm?
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1421[14:28:19] <petn-randall> nindustries: In what regard? Windows doesn't support fuse, if that's what you're asking.
1422[14:29:15] <petn-randall> nindustries: Windows only supports NTFS and FAT, IIRC. But those are the filesystem in the guest. You can run whatever filesystem on the host, however.
1423[14:29:29] <nindustries> petn-randall: I want to use Google Filestream, but that's only supported on macos or windows
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1425[14:29:37] <petn-randall> (or no filesystem at all, by just passing blank block storage to the guest)
1426[14:29:54] <nindustries> and I like a POSIX interface
1427[14:31:15] <petn-randall> For the host or the guest?
1428[14:31:42] <magic_ninja> nindustries, I use a lot of windows-only software. I'm just running windows 10 in a VM.
1429[14:31:46] <nindustries> Only a part of my services needs the google filestream mount, but I would prefer it on the host I suppose
1430[14:31:57] <nindustries> It's going to be colocated
1431[14:32:34] <magic_ninja> nindustries, you mean google drive?
1432[14:33:03] <nindustries> magic_ninja: filestream is the official client for it
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1434[14:33:39] <magic_ninja> nindustries, well, I've used odrive, insync. Both are really good. Insync particularly just works, but its $30 bucks. Nautlius in Gnome has built-in google-drive support. Dolphin in KDE has support. Their support isn't quite what I was looking for, though. So I use overGrive. It is $5 per account, which is reasonable.
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1436[14:34:23] <magic_ninja> So I went ahead and paid for overGrive. It functions like their original drive desktop client did. You just make a folder in your ~ directory.
1437[14:34:58] <nindustries> does it sync or stream?
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1439[14:35:03] <nindustries> I like filestream since it streams files
1440[14:35:04] <magic_ninja> I named mine GDrive. Then set overGrive to use that. There is a client called 'grive' as well that is open-source, but it is all CLI.
1441[14:35:10] <magic_ninja> It syncs.
1442[14:35:20] <magic_ninja> Well, as soon as I make a change it is going.
1443[14:35:23] <nindustries> ahh, can't use that :/
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1456[14:40:08] <magic_ninja> replaced-url
1457[14:40:18] <magic_ninja> nindustries, check that out. Alright, I'm off to work.
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1461[14:41:02] <nindustries> magic_ninja:thanks, but i've tried all those fuse implementations. Not too stable
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1469[14:46:30] <petn-randall> nindustries: Why are you using that as a host filesystem anyway?
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1471[14:47:02] <nindustries> petn-randall: media ;-)
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1474[14:47:27] <petn-randall> That is quite a vague answer.
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1476[14:47:39] <nindustries> I have a large media collection that is hosted on gdrive
1477[14:48:30] <petn-randall> And there's a windows-only client that works perfectly?
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1481[14:48:58] <nindustries> well, I use the macos client currently on an older mac mini
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1484[14:49:18] <nindustries> I had some stability issues when running linux/mac in a VM on that mac mini, but works fine when I do it all bare metal
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1488[14:50:33] <raidghost> When a usb-device is placed in every of the usb slot on the computer. The device gets power like 5 seconds and then its "like not connected" ?
1489[14:50:39] <petn-randall> Maybe we need to step back a bit. What is your overall goal?
1490[14:50:56] <raidghost> Would be STUPID if i need a brand new mainboard
1491[14:51:13] <petn-randall> raidghost: What kind of USB device?
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1494[14:52:15] <nindustries> petn-randall: I want to have a stable server that streams from google drive without stability issues.
1495[14:52:22] <nindustries> preferably using a posix interface
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1497[14:52:23] <raidghost> petn-randall: its a smartcard reader for subscriptioncard (TV)
1498[14:53:34] <petn-randall> nindustries: Why not just use google drive to share those files?
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1503[14:54:07] <nindustries> I need to access them as if they were local files
1504[14:54:09] <petn-randall> raidghost: And what OS are you running?
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1506[14:54:18] <raidghost> petn-randall: running latest cebian
1507[14:54:19] <raidghost> debian
1508[14:54:30] <petn-randall> raidghost: which is?
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1514[14:56:17] <raidghost> petn-randall: 9.9
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1516[14:56:32] <petn-randall> I see. Do you know if it even has driver support?
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1519[14:57:04] <petn-randall> You can check with `lsusb` if it actually shows up. If it does, you probably need to figure out how to use it.
1520[14:57:15] <raidghost> petn-randall: it has been working perfect until today when i figured out that my tvseries i had set to be recorded was not made. Due to missing entitlements from the subscrption card
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1523[14:57:41] <petn-randall> raidghost: Sounds like your subscription just ran out.
1524[14:57:53] <raidghost> petn-randall: debian doesnt see the reader
1525[14:58:08] <raidghost> when i connect the reader, it shows up green light for some seconds, and then its off
1526[14:58:14] <raidghost> like if the usb was not connected at all
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1528[14:58:33] <petn-randall> raidghost: So it doesn't show up in `lsusb`? Can you share the output on replaced-url
1529[14:58:50] <raidghost> petn-randall: correct. i will try to show u;)
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1576[15:20:50] <raidghost> petn-randall: problem solved. not sure how. But its now working ;) had to remap the usb devices in libvirt to get it working ;)
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1578[15:21:23] <raidghost> But now. there is another weird issue. My laptop when been used and stays on for a while, The colors on the desktop gets like inverted. Must be a bug in the intel driver.
1579[15:21:28] <raidghost> Its so FREAKY annoying.
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1581[15:21:54] <raidghost> It looks like a negative (old film stuff)
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1604[15:45:12] <oiaohm> raidghost: I have seen that in a few laptops when the LCD cable is going too.
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1606[15:45:27] <oiaohm> raidghost: I hope that not your problem.
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1665[16:36:09] <ksk> hey. what package(s) get pulled in if I select "standard system utilities" in the Debian installer?
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1667[16:36:50] <ksk> bonus: how would I find that out myself?
1668[16:37:22] <greycat> ksk: aptitude show '~pstandard'
1669[16:37:25] <ksk> its targets for tasksel, which are defined somewhere?
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1673[16:38:47] <humpled> replaced-url
1674[16:39:09] <ksk> thanks!
1675[16:39:23] <greycat> wooledg:~$ tasksel --task-packages standard
1676[16:39:23] <greycat> hdparm
1677[16:39:23] <greycat> gdbm-l10n
1678[16:39:33] <greycat> ... that doesn't look right.
1679[16:39:47] <humpled> hmm
1680[16:40:00] <ksk> nah, for me neither, only getting 2 (different) packages on my shellhost.
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1683[16:40:31] <greycat> seems like it only lists the ones that *aren't* already installed
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1687[16:41:44] <greycat> ksk: replacing 'show' with 'search' in my aptitude command gives a more compact output format
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1689[16:41:51] * greycat doesn't know aptitude very well yet
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1692[16:45:27] <ksk> installer does not have aptitutde, also tasksel does not know a task named *standard* - looking at the order of items it seems to named "laptop" in tasksel maybe? :x
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1695[16:47:28] <themill> The standard task is a bit special. tasksel actually used to use aptitude for this directly rather than a package list or metapackages.
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1698[16:48:28] <ksk> "laptop" maps to package "task-laptop" btw.
1699[16:48:36] <themill> correct. standard does not.
1700[16:48:48] <themill> istr these days the standard task is only shown at install time.
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1702[16:49:14] <ksk> so I would have to look at installer source to find out what it is doing?
1703[16:49:24] <themill> !wayttd
1704[16:49:24] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do?
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1706[16:50:09] <ksk> to find out what the "standard system utilities" checkbox in "software selection" during a debian install does.
1707[16:50:13] <themill> !standard task
1708[16:50:13] <dpkg> from memory, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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1711[16:51:33] <ksk> yeah, greycat kind of said as much. I then found out there is no aptitude installed on "installer time" - so I cannot really use that? and then ended up confused going the tasksel road..
1712[16:51:48] <themill> what are you actually trying to do?
1713[16:51:56] <greycat> install it.
1714[16:52:19] <ksk> nvm, installed aptitude in /target.
1715[16:53:52] <themill> The general rule is that if you actually care what tasksel is going to install, you shouldn't be using tasksel.
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1720[16:54:44] <ksk> I see, that makes sense. thanks again.
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1724[16:55:23] <themill> (standard task installs an MTA; you probably don't want an MTA)
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1727[16:56:41] <greycat> (you probably *do* want one that only does local delivery, so you can use at and cron...)
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1730[16:57:43] <jelly> dma for default mta 2020!!1
1731[16:57:53] <ksk> greycat so oldschool. systemd all the things!
1732[16:57:54] * ksk hides.
1733[16:57:57] <jelly> !start a mta war
1734[16:57:57] <dpkg> smail is obsolete!
1735[16:58:21] <jelly> dpkg, factinfo start a mta war
1736[16:58:21] <dpkg> start a mta war -- last modified at Fri Sep 3 15:25:12 2004 by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70; it has been requested 109 times, last by jelly, 24s ago.
1737[16:58:36] <jelly> that factoid is obsolete, too
1738[16:58:41] <annadane> start an**** mta war
1739[16:58:51] <jelly> !start an mta war
1740[16:58:51] <dpkg> Courier is obsolete!
1741[16:59:35] <avu> !start an editor war
1742[16:59:35] <dpkg> nano doesn't deserve to be in BSD!
1743[17:00:01] <annadane> i will not use vim for simple edits, nano forever
1744[17:01:12] <ksk> haha, was kind of more related to at/cron, but yes.
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1756[17:09:15] <knstn> Is there a possibility to find an active mirror for Debian 7.11 ?
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1759[17:10:06] <themill> !wheezy sources.list
1760[17:10:06] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
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1775[17:18:50] <Dinux7836> blub kaas
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1780[17:19:39] <jelly> Dinux7836: are you a bot?
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1783[17:20:00] <Dinux7836> jelly: nope sorry
1784[17:20:29] <jelly> Dinux7836, Guest11: okay, is that you over the kiwi interface as well?
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1827[17:45:43] <HeXiLeD> i have a 64bit install debian 9.9 on an intel atom system (netbook) and planing to clone de hdd to an ssd to use on a intel samsung notebook. In theory given that both cpus are the same arch, this should work... right ?
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1830[17:46:40] <somiaj> you'll have to manually get it to boot from some live/recovery image
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1832[17:46:55] <greycat> your network interface configs may also need to be adjusted
1833[17:46:56] <somiaj> but yes you can just copy the file system. I prefer that over cloining the partition. cp -a or rsync -a
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1835[17:47:14] <HeXiLeD> i plan to clone with dd and then edit required config from a live cd.
1836[17:47:40] <somiaj> I would make a new file system and just use cp -a or rsync -a over dd.
1837[17:47:56] <somiaj> this way you don't have to match partitions exactly and you can make the partitions the size that is needed.
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1839[17:48:01] <HeXiLeD> somiaj: with a dd clone, do I still need to manually boot it ?
1840[17:48:27] <somiaj> this might depend on firmware, if you are using legacy/uefi boot. You will have to do something.
1841[17:48:46] <HeXiLeD> mmmm i think legacy
1842[17:48:49] <somiaj> and I find a direct image is to restrictive so it is not a method I would suggest/use. cp -a works just fine
1843[17:49:03] <somiaj> legacy boot might not need much, uefi boot you would have to point your firmware at the uefi partition.
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1845[17:49:19] <HeXiLeD> can you elaborate on your views in regards to find it restrictive ?
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1848[17:50:19] <somiaj> are your disks you are cloning the exact same size?
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1850[17:50:31] <somiaj> do they have the same block count, etc.
1851[17:50:41] <HeXiLeD> somiaj: replaced-url
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1855[17:51:16] <HeXiLeD> a few sectors/bytes diff. very minor detail
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1857[17:52:51] <somiaj> I just like the freedom provided, to me it isn't much more work to create a new partition table, create file systems, then just copy the files.
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1859[17:53:17] <HeXiLeD> yah i hear you. I ve done like that in the past. Just wanted to try dd.
1860[17:53:20] <somiaj> since the disks are almost identical it might not mean much, but that is just my personal view (note if you use my method you'll have to change the uiid's in fstab)
1861[17:53:28] <greycat> file-level copying also give you a free defrag
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1863[17:53:41] <HeXiLeD> true.
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1867[17:54:03] <CrystalMath> hi all
1868[17:54:03] <HeXiLeD> this is also going on a ssd
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1870[17:54:08] <CrystalMath> is it still possible to find debian buzz?
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1874[17:54:47] <somiaj> CrystalMath: archive.debian.org
1875[17:55:48] <CrystalMath> thanks :)
1876[17:55:50] <CrystalMath> i'm going to try it
1877[17:55:53] <CrystalMath> in a VM of course
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1880[17:56:26] <HeXiLeD> of course
1881[17:57:20] <CrystalMath> well sadly i have no floppy power cable
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1883[17:57:30] <CrystalMath> i said i will build one
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1885[17:57:33] <CrystalMath> but i never did
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1889[17:57:44] <CrystalMath> so my floppy drive is currently not usable
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1891[17:57:52] <horribleprogram> CrystalMath: You have a floppy drive?
1892[17:57:55] <CrystalMath> yes
1893[17:57:58] <horribleprogram> awesome :)
1894[17:58:06] <CrystalMath> i built this computer in 2011 and i put a floppy drive in it
1895[17:58:10] <horribleprogram> LOL
1896[17:58:15] <horribleprogram> old school, I like that :D
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1898[17:58:23] <CrystalMath> the original PSU i bought had a floppy power connector
1899[17:58:27] <HeXiLeD> nothing wrong with that
1900[17:58:39] <CrystalMath> but that one blew up
1901[17:58:47] <CrystalMath> without damaging anything else
1902[17:58:50] <horribleprogram> What size floppy
1903[17:58:56] <CrystalMath> 3.5"
1904[17:58:57] <horribleprogram> I know they had like 3 different sizes in the 80s
1905[17:58:59] <horribleprogram> ahh cool
1906[17:59:07] <jhutchins_wk1> 8" floppies forever!
1907[17:59:12] <CrystalMath> this motherboard, from 2011, doesn't support any other kind :(
1908[17:59:17] <horribleprogram> how much storage?
1909[17:59:21] <CrystalMath> 1.44 MB
1910[17:59:25] <CrystalMath> 2880 sectors of 512 bytes
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1912[17:59:35] <horribleprogram> wow that's crazy!
1913[17:59:39] <greycat> the 8" floppies (the ones that were *actually* floppy) were never in any personal computers that I ever saw
1914[17:59:41] <horribleprogram> I love vintage computer stuff
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1917[17:59:57] <HeXiLeD> wasnt it awesome when everyone thought that 1.44 was too much space ?
1918[18:00:01] <CrystalMath> horribleprogram: 2 heads, 18 tracks, 80 sectors per track
1919[18:00:10] <HeXiLeD> saving all those text files and all ...
1920[18:00:13] * HeXiLeD laughs
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1922[18:00:30] <CrystalMath> well idk
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1924[18:00:35] <CrystalMath> floppies are still usable
1925[18:00:48] <CrystalMath> in the sense that you can store small files on them
1926[18:00:55] <CrystalMath> but also, you get to be a hipster
1927[18:01:02] <HeXiLeD> and/or if you work for the/some gov
1928[18:01:15] <CrystalMath> hmm
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1930[18:01:18] <greycat> you can also throw them at people, like really dull shurikens
1931[18:01:25] <CrystalMath> the government here has some ALPHA machines
1932[18:01:34] <CrystalMath> or so i've heard
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1934[18:01:37] <HeXiLeD> 'here'?
1935[18:01:37] <CrystalMath> never seen them IRL
1936[18:01:40] <CrystalMath> serbia
1937[18:02:16] <CrystalMath> while it's possible to see a home computer still running XP here and there, it's pretty hard to still find DOS
1938[18:02:18] <somiaj> my first desktop I kept replacing pieces, and after a while realized the only originial part in after 5 years was the floppy drive. So I decided that the floppy drive was the piece of hardware that kept the name of the computer. Alas, I still hvae that floppy drive in a box somewhere, but dno't use it anymore.
1939[18:03:12] <CrystalMath> somiaj: i still have the original board of the first PC i ever had
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1942[18:04:03] <CrystalMath> but it doesn't work :(
1943[18:04:09] <CrystalMath> got hit by a power surge
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1945[18:04:23] <horribleprogram> CrystalMath: how old are you
1946[18:04:25] <CrystalMath> now, it does power on
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1948[18:04:29] <CrystalMath> 25
1949[18:04:29] * HeXiLeD still has a computer with 128k of memory
1950[18:04:34] <horribleprogram> kk I'm 24
1951[18:04:44] <CrystalMath> the board powers on
1952[18:04:46] <CrystalMath> but doesn't POST
1953[18:04:47] <horribleprogram> the first computer I built was 2008
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1955[18:04:53] <CrystalMath> i think maybe the BIOS got erased
1956[18:04:56] <CrystalMath> mine was in 2000
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1958[18:05:00] <HeXiLeD> which was made and sold before horribleprogram arrived to the planet
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1960[18:05:08] <Ripcode> hi
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1962[18:05:23] <horribleprogram> you built a computer at 6 years old
1963[18:05:31] <horribleprogram> damn son
1964[18:05:33] <CrystalMath> no :P my parents bought one
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1966[18:05:38] <jhutchins_wk1> horribleprogram: There were a few TRS-80's that used 8".
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1968[18:05:57] <CrystalMath> the harddisk from that one is STILL alive
1969[18:06:01] <horribleprogram> jhutchins_wk1: ik I've just never seen one irl
1970[18:06:15] <horribleprogram> My mom had a G4 mac
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1972[18:06:59] <horribleprogram> but iirc it had a CD-ROM
1973[18:07:17] <horribleprogram> actually a Zip drive was optional
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1975[18:07:49] <CrystalMath> HeXiLeD: mine had a CD-ROM reader, a DVD reader, and a CD writer :P
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1977[18:07:54] <horribleprogram> so even in like early 2000 zip drives were phasingout
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1980[18:08:26] <CrystalMath> horribleprogram: yeah but they were good for small files
1981[18:08:29] <HeXiLeD> CrystalMath: mine had a cassete reader
1982[18:08:31] <CrystalMath> if you didn't want to waste a CD
1983[18:08:35] <CrystalMath> HeXiLeD: oh!
1984[18:08:39] <HeXiLeD> mmhmm
1985[18:08:40] <CrystalMath> tape drives are still useful
1986[18:08:53] <horribleprogram> omg
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1988[18:09:00] <horribleprogram> i wanna use tar on a tape drive
1989[18:09:02] <HeXiLeD> it sounded like a fax machine
1990[18:09:03] <jhutchins_wk1> CrystalMath: As long as you don't care if you can read the files.
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1992[18:09:29] <horribleprogram> that's what tar was for right? Making an archive for a tape drive?
1993[18:09:39] <jhutchins_wk1> horribleprogram: Yes.
1994[18:09:42] <CrystalMath> jhutchins_wk1: huh? of course that's important
1995[18:09:46] <horribleprogram> because tar needed to add information like "where each file was"
1996[18:09:52] <CrystalMath> why would reading files be a problem?
1997[18:09:52] <horribleprogram> you couldn't just write a bunch of files to it
1998[18:09:59] <horribleprogram> jhutchins_wk1: cool :)
1999[18:10:07] <jhutchins_wk1> CrystalMath: Tape drives (and their controllers) are horribly unreliable. At least the consumer grade ones.
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2001[18:10:39] <CrystalMath> floppies aren't too reliable either
2002[18:10:41] <jhutchins_wk1> The 1/2" reel drives are pretty solid.
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2004[18:10:54] <horribleprogram> What do you mean by unreliable
2005[18:10:56] <HeXiLeD> yes jhutchins_wk1. Sometimes, we would fix those problems with a screw driver or a hammer in last case
2006[18:11:01] <CrystalMath> horribleprogram: it can fail, and you lose data
2007[18:11:04] <horribleprogram> in terms of storage quality?
2008[18:11:04] <jhutchins_wk1> brb
2009[18:11:05] <horribleprogram> ahh
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2014[18:11:22] <CrystalMath> but i say, anything can fail
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2016[18:11:32] <CrystalMath> is USB mass storage really better?
2017[18:11:44] <horribleprogram> yes but there's obviously a quantitative way to measure reliability :P
2018[18:11:46] <jhutchins_wk> CrystalMath: Yes. Until it fails.
2019[18:11:50] <CrystalMath> it's a big capacitor holding bits
2020[18:12:02] <CrystalMath> i don't think it's more trustworthy than a tape
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2022[18:12:48] <horribleprogram> I don't see any device that has mechanical components (including HDDs) being more reliable than solid state devices
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2025[18:13:21] <CrystalMath> well disks might have problems
2026[18:13:24] <CrystalMath> but idk
2027[18:13:32] <jhutchins_wk> horribleprogram: Physical drives don't suddenly just forget their data.
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2029[18:13:41] <CrystalMath> magnetic tapes, they hold data really well
2030[18:13:52] <jhutchins_wk> horribleprogram: They can degrade and corrupt, but they don't just quit.
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2032[18:14:27] <jhutchins_wk> horribleprogram: Theoritically, if a spinning disk fails, you can move the platters into another drive and recover the data.
2033[18:14:52] * jhutchins_wk has an 18" removable hard disk somewhere...
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2042[18:18:35] <CrystalMath> that reminds me
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2045[18:18:38] <CrystalMath> i should REALLY
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2047[18:18:40] <CrystalMath> make a backup
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2050[18:18:45] <horribleprogram> jhutchins_wk: that it true
2051[18:19:37] <CrystalMath> SMART data says perfect condition
2052[18:19:47] <CrystalMath> but power on hours... very very high number
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2055[18:21:51] <horribleprogram> CrystalMath: hey, earlier you were talking about heads, sectors, tracks, etc
2056[18:22:19] <horribleprogram> CrystalMath: when a computer boots up, and finds the boot device, how does it know where the system partition is
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2058[18:22:43] <somiaj> what do you mean by system partition?
2059[18:22:44] <oiaohm> horribleprogram: HDD have very different performance factors to SSD.
2060[18:22:53] <horribleprogram> somiaj: replaced-url
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2062[18:23:38] <somiaj> horribleprogram: the firmware knows how to read partition tables and looks for a flag for the partitin.
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2068[18:26:25] <oiaohm> horribleprogram: one big difference is the reaction to be close to max thermal temp. HDD will maintain their fast read/write speed even above the temp they should be operating at. SSD will thermal throttle
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2070[18:26:29] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: Boot flag is a DOS thing, you don't need it for linux (pre-UEFI).
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2072[18:26:56] <oiaohm> horribleprogram: so if you don't have suitable cooling SSD read/write speed can be way slower than a HDD.
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2075[18:28:19] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: the efi partition still has a flag on it. It is not the boot flag, but it is flagged.
2076[18:28:58] <somiaj> I think linux honors boot flags for legacy boot, just it is rearely used (most put the boot loder in the master MBR not the partition MBR)
2077[18:29:07] <CrystalMath> i don't have EFI anywhere
2078[18:29:12] <CrystalMath> legacy boot for the win
2079[18:29:20] <CrystalMath> 0000:7C00
2080[18:29:21] <somiaj> but you could say use a stnadard MBR and put grub in the mbr of /dev/sda2 if you wanted with a boot flag on it.
2081[18:30:04] <CrystalMath> if i build a new PC, i will look for a board with legacy boot
2082[18:30:18] <CrystalMath> sadly it probably won't have a removable BIOS :(
2083[18:30:20] <somiaj> CrystalMath: What I like about uefi is that one no longer needs a boot loader in the traditional seince, and it is easier to have differnt OSes living together as a result.
2084[18:30:35] <somiaj> really you odn't need grub anymore with uefi.
2085[18:30:48] <CrystalMath> i run debian, and within debian, i run virtual machines
2086[18:30:59] <CrystalMath> if i want to run another OS
2087[18:31:01] <CrystalMath> it will be DOS
2088[18:31:07] <CrystalMath> and i can't boot DOS with EFI
2089[18:31:11] <CrystalMath> nor use it
2090[18:31:16] <CrystalMath> because it requires BIOS
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2092[18:32:17] <CrystalMath> i'm not interested in any proprietary software made after 2004
2093[18:32:22] <CrystalMath> whatsoever
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2095[18:32:54] <somiaj> and maybe if you only run dos you'd be fine with 640k of ram.
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2097[18:33:14] <CrystalMath> nah, i like DOS extenders
2098[18:33:20] <CrystalMath> and i'm writing my own 64-bit DOS extender :D
2099[18:33:23] <somiaj> I was just pointing out that uefi has soe nice things about it. Stick with legacy if it suites your needs, use case is very important.
2100[18:33:30] <CrystalMath> DOS Long Mode Interface :)
2101[18:33:52] <CrystalMath> aka DLMI
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2104[18:35:05] <Cew67> Hi i am using Debian Testing (Buster 10.0), but i can't open the app chromium can somebod help me please ?
2105[18:35:35] <karlpinc> Cew67: You need to say what you did and what happened.
2106[18:35:44] <nifker> I dont really get advantage of UEFI - this rather seems like to have been abused by companies to lock their users
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2110[18:36:05] <Cew67> I just click on it to open and ... nothing
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2112[18:36:31] <nifker> Cew67: terminal output, maybe? :)
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2114[18:36:36] <karlpinc> Cew67: Open a terminal window and type chromium and tell us what the terminal window then says.
2115[18:37:22] <Cew67> :~$ chromium [0527/104938.374822:FATAL:v8_initializer.cc(326)] Check failed: natives_file.IsValid(). #0 0x5641b034bb89 <unknown> #1 0x5641b0296856 <unknown> #2 0x5641b02af00c <unknown> #3 0x5641b297f95a <unknown> #4 0x5641b297fa0a <unknown> #5 0x5641afe016ad <unknown> #6 0x5641afe0a01d <unknown> #7 0x5641afdff085 <unknown> #8 0x5641ad8c70cd ChromeMain #9 0x7f80e5a5909b __libc_start_main #10 0x5641ad8c6f2a _start Abandon
2116[18:37:40] <karlpinc> Cew67: How did you install chromium?
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2118[18:37:56] <Cew67> Simply by apt-get install chromium
2119[18:38:15] <karlpinc> Cew67: Have you done an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade lately?
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2121[18:38:19] <Cew67> I have tried to remove and then reinstall it , nothing work
2122[18:38:31] <Cew67> None.
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2124[18:38:56] <karlpinc> Cew67: Well, do that and see what happens then.
2125[18:39:12] <Cew67> Ok doing it.
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2128[18:40:06] <Cew67> Does i need to reboot ?
2129[18:40:46] <karlpinc> If you get a new kernel installed (or some other stuff) yes. It couldn't hurt otherwise so you can if you want.
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2135[18:41:50] <Cew67> Same it doesn't work.
2136[18:42:05] <karlpinc> Cew67: Same error?
2137[18:42:13] <Cew67> Yes
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2139[18:42:38] <Cew67> Ah no some.numbers changed
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2141[18:43:05] <somiaj> Cew67: just for consistancy sake, care to share the output of 'apt policy' and 'apt policy chromium' at paste.debian.net
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2143[18:44:05] <jelly> huh, the only google result for that error is your own post on replaced-url
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2150[18:46:25] <jelly> and it looks like an assertion in V8 replaced-url
2151[18:46:50] <karlpinc> Maybe a fsck is called for?
2152[18:47:08] <Cew67> I havr done the past in past.debian.net
2153[18:47:08] <jelly> why?
2154[18:47:20] <jelly> Cew67: tell us the result URL
2155[18:48:26] <Cew67> 1084289 and 1084290
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2157[18:49:10] <jelly> nothing weird there in either replaced-url
2158[18:49:26] <karlpinc> jelly: I'm thinking that it's reading some file and the file is corrupted.
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2160[18:50:20] <Cew67> So i need to erase that file and get a new one ? How can i know which file is corrupted ?
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2163[18:51:59] <Cew67> I just run fsck without option ? How long would it take ?
2164[18:52:04] <karlpinc> Cew67: That's just a guess. re-installing should fix it. So I'm wondering about the filesystem data integrity. (Or, I suppose it could be RAM.) These are just not particularly well informed guesses. A fsck of the file system would fix corruption problems, sort of. You'd have to re-install.
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2167[18:52:54] <karlpinc> If that really fixes it then you have to start wondering how your file got corrupted. Is the disk going bad, etc. (Is it an SSD and lost power unexpectedly, etc.)
2168[18:53:06] <Cew67> Reinstall the whole os for an app ? Isn't there some other ways much more easy ?
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2171[18:53:28] <karlpinc> Cew67: Re-installing chroimium. (Or whatever package contains the "invalid file".)
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2175[18:54:27] <Cew67> Reinstalling chromium doesn't work, i have tried purge also, try to erase the file reinstall nothing work
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2179[18:54:44] <jelly> ,file natives_blob.bin --release buster
2180[18:54:46] <somiaj> well they said they reinstalled chromium, maybe delete the .local or whatever configuration dir
2181[18:54:49] <judd> Search for natives_blob.bin in buster/amd64: chromium-common: usr/lib/chromium/natives_blob.bin
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2184[18:55:27] <jelly> that seems to be the likely candidate for the "natives_file" from the code
2185[18:55:49] <jelly> Cew67: does "debsums chromium-common" show any error?
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2187[18:55:59] <somiaj> oh it is .config/chromium could try moving that directory to create a new config file. Could also try running this as a new user to make sure it isn't some issue with the user configuation files.
2188[18:56:07] <karlpinc> jelly: Good idea.
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2190[18:57:05] <jelly> a file becoming corrupted may point to a deeper issue
2191[18:57:09] <Cew67> debsums doesn't work
2192[18:57:24] <karlpinc> Cew67: You probably have to install it.
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2194[18:57:44] <jelly> Cew67: install "debsums" package and try again
2195[18:57:50] <karlpinc> !tell Cew67 about doesn't work
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2199[18:58:46] <Cew67> Yes some missing file ...
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2201[18:59:28] <Cew67> I will paste it in debian it is easier for me.
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2205[19:00:05] <Cew67> Debianpast : 1084291
2206[19:01:03] <karlpinc> Cew67: You have an URL for us?
2207[19:01:19] <somiaj> karlpinc: paste.debian.net/1084291
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2211[19:02:36] <jelly> Cew67: now you can hunt for the CAUSE, why these files are missing
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2213[19:03:27] <jelly> Cew67: you could also run "debsums", perhaps with -s, to see if it can find if other files from other packages are missing.
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2216[19:03:49] <jelly> Cew67: to fix these immediately, reinstall chromium-common
2217[19:04:22] <jelly> some pieces of software are split in more than one package.
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2224[19:05:30] <Cew67> I have to reinstall chromium or just chromium-common ?
2225[19:05:47] <somiaj> for these missing files chromium-common
2226[19:05:55] <jelly> Cew67: what I said, nothing more, nothing less
2227[19:06:13] <jelly> you said you already tried reinstalling chromium.
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2229[19:06:30] <Cew67> So just apt-get remove or apt-get --autoremove purge ?
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2231[19:06:38] <jelly> apt-get reinstall ...
2232[19:06:44] <jelly> man apt-get
2233[19:07:05] <jelly> sorry. apt reinstall ...
2234[19:07:09] <jelly> or apt-get --reinstall install ...
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2237[19:09:30] <Cew67> It has remove chromium also... i am reinstalling it
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2240[19:10:15] <Cew67> Ah the error changed
2241[19:10:27] <Cew67> No usable sandbox
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2243[19:10:59] <jelly> a reinstall of the same version should NOT remove any packages
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2245[19:11:30] <Cew67> 1084292
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2247[19:11:51] <jelly> URL please, with replaced-url
2248[19:12:21] <Cew67> Paste.debian.net/1084292
2249[19:12:28] * jelly sighs
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2251[19:12:48] <jelly> read that message.
2252[19:13:19] <greycat> I'm guessing he's not IRCing from Debian, nor from any system that he's ssh-ing to from Debian
2253[19:13:29] <jelly> it LITERALLY says [3264:3264:0528/191006.760697:ERROR:zygote_host_impl_linux.cc(116)] No usable sandbox! If this is a Debian system, please install the chromium-sandbox package
2254[19:13:29] <Cew67> replaced-url
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2256[19:13:40] <greycat> which makes everything *so* awkward
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2260[19:14:10] <Cew67> Yes sorry i am on smartphone freenode doesn't work on my laptop for some weird reasons...
2261[19:14:19] <jelly> Cew67: the next sentence after "No usable sandbox!" tells you what to do
2262[19:15:25] <Cew67> ?? Yes but is it normal ? There won't be a problem in term of security ?
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2266[19:16:06] <jelly> if you don't trust error messages from official Debian package, you probably should not use Debian
2267[19:16:14] <Cew67> Oh i read too fast i see now
2268[19:17:53] <jelly> it probably got removed at some point, usually gets installed automatically
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2271[19:18:25] <Cew67> I have already got the package install however ...
2272[19:18:42] <jelly> chromium Depends: chromium-common, chromium-common Recommends: chromium-sandbox
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2274[19:19:04] <Cew67> Yeah chromium-sandbox is installed
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2276[19:19:16] <Cew67> Does i need to reinstall it ?
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2278[19:19:32] <jelly> dunno, is it missing any files?
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2280[19:20:08] <Cew67> Yes
2281[19:20:14] <jelly> then yes
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2285[19:21:53] <Cew67> It worked.! Thanks a lot
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2288[19:23:10] <karlpinc> Cew67: It only sorta-worked. The real question is why are you losing files? To prevent future problems you should find out.
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2295[19:26:11] <Cew67> Is there any logs which can describe the problems of.mising files ?
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2297[19:27:17] <jelly> Cew67: you will have to look at all the usual system logs for file corruption or suspicious admin activity
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2300[19:27:49] <jelly> Cew67: if you have daily backups, look at old backups to see when files disappeared
2301[19:28:20] <karlpinc> Cew67: Per jelly's comment above, run "debsums" or "debsums -s" to find more missing files.
2302[19:28:23] <jelly> if you don't have backups, set up backups already!
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2305[19:29:15] <Cew67> Do you think it can be related to how old my ssd is ? I havz bought it 4 years ago
2306[19:29:24] <karlpinc> Cew67: Run a file system check. You can do this at boot. See "man systemd-fsck". Adjust the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX of /etc/default/grub. (This last works on stretch, I don't know about buster.)
2307[19:29:46] <jelly> Cew67: not directly. Maybe if you had power loss recently.
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2309[19:30:06] <karlpinc> Cew67: If a SSD loses power unexpectedly it can lose data.
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2311[19:30:51] <jelly> ssd models that have supercapacitors to avoid that are usually more expensive
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2315[19:31:33] <jelly> amd probably hard to find in the consumer part of the market
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2318[19:32:30] <Cew67> Hard to find and expensive ? How much are we talking about 2000 $ for 500 go
2319[19:32:41] <Cew67> This kind of price ?
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2332[19:40:24] <jelly> last time I looked a couple years back, there were some consumer models but the feature was not advertised at all and you'd need to look at the specification
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2336[19:43:00] <Cew67> Ok i will take a look at it thanks. Do you also know how i can install flash player for chromium ?7
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2348[19:47:25] <jelly> and looking at it now, then Crucial models that advertised power loss protection did not protect in all circumstances
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2358[19:53:29] <jelly> replaced-url
2359[19:53:54] <greycat> is it "buy a UPS"?
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2363[19:55:13] <jelly> tried that, the UPS died before the ssd
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2373[20:04:53] <cirdan> jelly: you need a ATS switched PDU :)
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2377[20:06:24] <MACscr> getting "mount -t --bind /dev /mnt/stor1/dev" when i try to get an image setup for me to chroot into it. Any suggestions?
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2381[20:08:14] <Habbie> MACscr, what's the questino?
2382[20:08:17] <Habbie> MACscr, what's the question?
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2385[20:08:51] <hans_> i booted debian-live-xfce
2386[20:09:02] <hans_> then left it alone too long and now i have the screensaver login screen
2387[20:09:09] <hans_> what do i write? what's the default credentials for debian?
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2389[20:09:31] <hans_> in xubuntu it's "xubuntu" and blank (no password), so i thought, logically, it would be "debian" and no password, but that's not it
2390[20:09:42] <greycat> !lvie password
2391[20:09:45] <greycat> !live password
2392[20:09:45] <jmcnaught> !live user
2393[20:09:46] <dpkg> hmm... live password is The debian-live images have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
2394[20:09:56] <hans_> thanks!
2395[20:10:16] <annadane> !live and let die
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2397[20:10:33] <hans_> so.. dead and let die?
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2399[20:11:57] <hans_> ... what's user's uid?
2400[20:12:26] <greycat> read the passwd file if you need that for some reason
2401[20:12:30] <Habbie> or type 'id'
2402[20:12:57] <hans_> iirc by default xfce doesn't let you log in if your uid is <1000.. and replaced-url
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2404[20:13:29] <hans_> (autologin is fine (i know because autologin with root works even if manual doesn't, or at least that used to be the case))
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2406[20:14:07] <hans_> it doesn't accept the user/live combo
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2409[20:14:41] <hans_> what's the hotkey to drop to a terminal tho.. ctrl+shift+F11 or something?
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2412[20:14:56] <greycat> then I guess you go back to the web page where you found this live image and hope they documented it there, or ask in #debian-live on the OFTC network. P.S. this is not the OFTC network.
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2415[20:15:14] <greycat> ctrl-alt-f2
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2422[20:17:04] <hans_> i found it at replaced-url
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2425[20:17:29] <hans_> but it doesn't say anything about credentials
2426[20:17:48] <hans_> > The images here were put together by the Debian CD team , using debian-cd and other software.
2427[20:17:52] <hans_> ill try oftc, thanks
2428[20:18:24] <MACscr> anyone know how to temporarily stop an iscsi target with tgt-admin?
2429[20:18:54] <hans_> MACscr, idk but have you tried sending a SIGSTOP?
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2431[20:19:11] <MACscr> hans_ not sure how to target a single lun
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2456[20:31:41] <nindustries> Hi, what would be a way to throttle wireguard connections based on client?
2457[20:32:42] <kre10s> hi. I've got the disk images of the disks in an old raid array. fdisk -lu image.iso shows 1 partition of type 'raid autodetect' I try to set up loopback: losetup /dev/loop1 image1.iso then assemble the raid array mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/loop1 but mdadm complains saying it can't read the mbr...
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2459[20:34:24] <kre10s> if i hd -n 512 image.iso i get the 55aa thing at the end that is supposed to indicate that their is an mbr in the image. is there another way to check the mbr?
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2476[20:47:25] <MACscr> grr, i cant for the life of me figure out how to start and stop a specific target. i need to work on its disk
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2482[20:49:23] <tdn> How do I disable the ntp daemon automatically start up?
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2484[20:49:54] <greycat> systemctl disable ntp.service
2485[20:50:03] <greycat> assuming that's the one you're using
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2491[20:51:44] <_merlim_5> am using FBIda to view images on the framebuffer (no X), it works, but how do I clear the image??
2492[20:52:11] <tdn> greycat, thanks.
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2496[20:53:24] <jhutchins_wk> hans_: Running GUI apps as root is a Very Bad Idea.
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2502[20:57:26] <hans_> jhutchins_wk, ever ran gparted?
2503[20:57:41] <dvs> with gksu
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2505[20:58:28] <hans_> also jhutchins sounds familiar but i don't remember why
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2508[20:58:43] <hans_> jhutchins_wk, are you like a debian dev or something?
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2512[20:59:10] <jhutchins_wk> hans_: Yes, and there are settings and apps that require root privileges, but running random apps like file managers or even something like IRC as root can damage your system.
2513[20:59:24] <jhutchins_wk> Nope, just been around for a while.
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2521[21:02:33] <hans_> jhutchins_wk, i don't exactly disagree with you, but why are you telling me not to run gui apps as root? i don't remember asking about anything like that recently
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2523[21:02:48] <hans_> or you mean the uid login, oh ofc that's what you mean, nvm
2524[21:02:54] <jhutchins_wk> One thing that can happen is that the application will write a dynamic config file to the real user's home directory, rendering it unusable.
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2526[21:03:23] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, auto-login as root does not sound good.
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2528[21:04:17] <hans_> oh right, well i had auto-login as root on a headless server with xserver-xorg-video-dummy some time back, .. something about libreoffice iirc
2529[21:04:51] <hans_> wierd libreoffice-html-export that required a gui, i think
2530[21:05:37] <hans_> (even tho it was all automated, still had to have a DISPLAY to attach the exporter to x.x)
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2556[21:21:42] <jhutchins_wk> I believe there are ways around that, but not sure.
2557[21:21:44] <hans_> what's the difference between netinst.iso and mini.iso? they seems to be the same thing except mini.iso is much smaller
2558[21:21:56] <hans_> does netinst have a lot more network card drivers or something? :p
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2563[21:28:39] <jhutchins_wk> hans_: Netinst can do a full normal install. I think the mini's more limited.
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2565[21:29:24] <hans_> jhutchins_wk, nope that's not it, mini can do a full install as well
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2568[21:31:37] <hans_> come to think of it, netinst has a "graphical install" mode, mini.iso doesn't (mini.iso is still fully capable of installing a GUI desktop system tho)
2569[21:33:06] <rwp> hans_, AFAIK the netinst disk contains the graphical installer (although I always use the text mode of it) and the mini.iso does not contain the graphical installer making the mini.iso smaller than the netinst iso. AFAIK.
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2581[21:43:47] <hans_> how can i tell the kernel that the partition table changed in the netinst installer?
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2584[21:44:03] <hans_> /bin/sh: partprobe not found
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2587[21:44:35] <hans_> nvm, can just tell the installer to run "detect disks" again, should work
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2592[21:49:33] <magic_ninja> Man, who was in here I was supposed to tell if I found out about KDE's wifi manager. Anyway, if you see this, here is what was said in KDE: <d42> magic_ninja: i think if you set it so all users may connect to it, it will connect on boot ;v
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2613[22:01:40] <DammitJim> is there a reason why an interface that is not connect would want to keep running dhclient?
2614[22:01:56] <DammitJim> not necessarily a problem, but I was wondering if that is normal behavior
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2616[22:02:49] <Habbie> DammitJim, if dhclient did not keep running, something else would have to monitor the interface and start dhclient when it becomes connected
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2618[22:03:07] <DammitJim> it seems to run every 5 minutes
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2621[22:04:04] <Habbie> a fresh dhclient every five minutes?
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2623[22:04:20] <DammitJim> yes, for an interface that isn't even connected
2624[22:04:38] <Habbie> so something is starting dhclient for you every five minutes
2625[22:04:40] <Habbie> i wonder what it is
2626[22:04:50] <rwp> DammitJim, What is managing it now? NetworkManager? WICD? Other?
2627[22:05:05] <DammitJim> I'm assuming it's network manager
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2643[22:12:43] <HeXiLeD> does debian need any additional package for Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) or the kernel alone is enough ?
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2645[22:12:52] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: check "systemctl status ifup@eno1.service" (replace eno1 with interface) to see if it's running, that might be where the dhclient is
2646[22:13:29] <rwp> DammitJim, Since it is NM I shouldn't say anything. But it does not need to run a dhclient on an inactive device. Being NM it doesn't surprise me it is doing things it doesn't need to do though.
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2650[22:14:48] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: I believe you can put a static entry in /etc/interfaces and NM won't manage it.
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2662[22:22:11] <jmcnaught> HeXiLeD: are there any messages about firmware failing to load in dmesg?
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2664[22:22:55] <HeXiLeD> i am remote. someone is on the other side. i have no clue.|
2665[22:23:10] <HeXiLeD> this was a cloned hdd to ssd using dd
2666[22:23:18] <Habbie> 'apt search marvell' only finds some wireless stuff
2667[22:23:19] <HeXiLeD> for some reason does not boot with the wm
2668[22:23:20] <Habbie> (on buster)
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2677[22:25:43] <jhutchins_wk> HeXiLeD: Can you get the PCI ID from lspci -nn?
2678[22:26:18] <jhutchins_wk> HeXiLeD: If it needs firmware there should be something about it in dmesg | less.
2679[22:26:36] <jhutchins_wk> HeXiLeD: That should also show what is happening when it should be coming up.
2680[22:26:36] <HeXiLeD> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13)
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2683[22:27:02] <jhutchins_wk> HeXiLeD: lspci -nn - the -nn gives us the ID.
2684[22:27:02] <HeXiLeD> 24.380784] sky2 0000:06:00.0 enp6s0: enabling interface
2685[22:27:32] <HeXiLeD> By the way ... this is from a gentoo live cd which i am accessing remotely (ssh) and chrooted
2686[22:27:50] <HeXiLeD> 27.196482] sky2 0000:06:00.0 enp6s0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex, flow control both
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2693[22:31:26] <HeXiLeD> does debian renames network interfaces to names like enp6s0
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2695[22:32:03] <greycat> in stretch and later, that's the default behavior
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2697[22:32:25] <greycat> s/^/for systems installed /
2698[22:32:55] <Habbie> yes, i'm coming to you from enx3ce1a14cdcac
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2700[22:33:15] <Habbie> on debian 10
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2702[22:33:18] <HeXiLeD> okay. is it possible to have /network/interfaces set in a way that will auto decide how to go ?
2703[22:33:19] <Henry151> ^window hidelevel joins
2704[22:33:21] <greycat> I've never seen one that actually uses the MAC address like that
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2706[22:33:30] <Habbie> greycat, it's usb ethernet
2707[22:33:38] <HeXiLeD> auto lo
2708[22:33:40] <HeXiLeD> iface lo inet loopback
2709[22:33:42] <HeXiLeD> iface eth0 inet dhcp
2710[22:33:44] <HeXiLeD> this is the conf
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2712[22:33:47] <Habbie> greycat, if it did something else, the name would change if i plugged it into another port
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2715[22:34:12] <greycat> HeXiLeD: replace eth0 with the correct interface name, and also add "auto " or "allow-hotplug " that-interface, whichever is appropriate
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2717[22:34:19] <Habbie> greycat, i have another usb ethernet adapter with an all-zeroes MAC and that one does something else ;)
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2719[22:34:34] <HeXiLeD> greycat i haveno way to find out the name of the interface.
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2721[22:34:44] <greycat> what are you not telling me
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2723[22:35:04] <greycat> "I can't just type it in because..."
2724[22:35:28] <HeXiLeD> i ve said everything. i am remotely connected to a live gentoo cd chroot to debian to fix a dd copy of a full bootable debian 9 OS
2725[22:35:51] <greycat> boot the debian system, get the interface name, edit the file, reboot
2726[22:35:52] <HeXiLeD> cant get network and cannot get WM
2727[22:36:41] <HeXiLeD> cant. the person on the other side is not able to write the password which is long, mixed characters and the keyboard layout in the console is not the same
2728[22:37:04] <greycat> so... many... questions
2729[22:37:13] <HeXiLeD> just one.
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2731[22:37:54] <HeXiLeD> is there a way to have debian auto reconfig and detect the eth ? or i could force it on the kernel boot parameters to use eth0
2732[22:38:52] <greycat> Right. Do not engage the crazy. Just give them the bad answer to their literal question. replaced-url
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2735[22:42:16] <HeXiLeD> update-grub ... gives this . /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
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2737[22:42:19] <HeXiLeD> bloody hell
2738[22:42:24] <HeXiLeD> if i had known
2739[22:43:20] <greycat> !chroot
2740[22:43:20] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
2741[22:43:29] <greycat> I bet you skipped some of those steps.
2742[22:44:32] <HeXiLeD> it not mounted with a debian live. it is with a gentoo live
2743[22:44:50] <greycat> that wouldn't matter, as far as I know
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2750[22:52:48] <HeXiLeD> the remote person was able to login. i m getting some images. the eth0 is now enp6s0. the marvel sky2 module/driver is present
2751[22:53:06] <jhutchins_wk> !interface names
2752[22:53:06] <dpkg> Starting with <stretch>, network interface names have changed from the previous convention of eth0, eth1/wlan0, wlan1 to names based on the device vendor or driver. This has some upsides and some downsides. For more information and options, see replaced-url
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2754[22:53:29] <jhutchins_wk> This has happened at the kernel development level and is not a Debian change.
2755[22:53:57] <HeXiLeD> i know
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2757[22:54:21] <jhutchins_wk> You have three options: Traditional (eth0), bus and connection, or mac based.
2758[22:54:54] <jhutchins_wk> HeXiLeD: Couldn't you just change the inteface config to the new name?
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2760[22:55:09] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: good luck with that.
2761[22:55:28] <jhutchins_wk> ?
2762[22:55:31] <hans_> what's "standard system utilities" ? replaced-url
2763[22:55:47] <greycat> things with "priority: standard"
2764[22:55:57] <greycat> if you don't know, you want them
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2767[22:56:48] <greycat> examples include man-db, manpages, wget, bzip2
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2770[22:58:04] <DammitJim> jhutchins_wk, I need the interface to use dhcp when it's connected
2771[22:58:12] <HeXiLeD> jhutchins_wk: i am instructing the remote person to do that
2772[22:58:20] <DammitJim> just trying to understand why the system runs dhclient when there is nothing connected to that interface
2773[22:58:21] <HeXiLeD> onde i get network i can take care of the rest
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2777[23:00:51] <marek> what should I do if I would like a package update but the maintainers are not responding?
2778[23:01:41] <greycat> Depends on why you want a "package update". If it's purely practical ("I need x to do y"), just remove the Debian package, install upstream's version yourself, and move on.
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2784[23:04:03] <marek> greycat: no, I mean in the debian ecosystem, I would like a newer version of the software to make it to debian sid
2785[23:04:11] <greycat> !slushy
2786[23:04:11] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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2823[23:24:20] <HeXiLeD> !chroot
2824[23:24:20] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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2827[23:26:18] <HeXiLeD> this really makes a lot of sense mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev/target/dev
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2829[23:27:27] <Jeana> is writing killall /bin/blah | exit 1 .... at the end of blah file ..consider a loop script
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2833[23:27:57] <Jeana> i mean /bin/blah | exit 1
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2835[23:28:57] <Jeana> like if .... ech hello | /bin/hello | exit 1
2836[23:29:03] <Jeana> i mean echo
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2838[23:30:24] <Jeana> omg its endless
2839[23:30:28] <Jeana> :@
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2843[23:31:32] <Jeana> what is the use of while: do ..done then
2844[23:31:43] <Jeana> stupid linux
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2850[23:38:14] <EdePopede> and the question is?
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2864[23:50:28] <magic_ninja> Jeana, what does /bin/blah return if bin/blah doesn't exist?
2865[23:51:07] <magic_ninja> you would want to catch the condition that there is no more files. IE read all bins to some type of list, see if they are running, if they are kill them. Or am I missing something?
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