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2 [00:00:07] <unborn> lol how many of flws are out there? :D
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4 [00:00:31] <unborn> !flw1000
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11 [00:03:40] <satbyy> 75 i guess
12 [00:03:45] <satbyy> !flw76
13 [00:04:01] <satbyy> !flw0
14 [00:04:01] <dpkg> <ohad>...i thought that by upgrading
to unstable things might work better
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18 [00:05:33] <unborn> that is hilarious lol
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20 [00:06:09] <asarch> "gir1.2-gtksource-3.0 set to
manually installed." <- How can I turn the automatic
installation for this package?
21 [00:06:38] <satbyy> asarch: sudo apt-mark auto
<package>
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28 [00:07:42] <asarch> Thank you satbyy
29 [00:07:46] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
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32 [00:09:12] <satbyy> !next
33 [00:09:12] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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50 [00:16:26] <l4m8d4> !flw2
51 [00:16:26] <dpkg> <Tezkah> what? Linux is a fortress!
combined with GNU! its unstoppable!
52 [00:16:38] <l4m8d4> !flw3
53 [00:16:39] <dpkg> < zontak2> stable systems suck,
nothing exciting
54 [00:16:46] <l4m8d4> !flw4
55 [00:16:47] <dpkg> <Phated> compubomb: If you're
told something three times, it's true.
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158 [01:11:40] <Old_Dog> Is there something wrong with using
Rufus for making bootable USB drives?
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163 [01:14:15] <somiaj> Old_Dog: it is known to break debian .iso
images, most things that arne't a pure raw write do.
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165 [01:14:38] <somiaj> Old_Dog: using it for other images is
fine, but you may want to ask creaters of such images. Are you
tyring to write a debian .iso image to usb from what os?
166 [01:15:34] <Old_Dog> somiaj thanks it has a dd option. do you
know if that works properly or not?
167 [01:15:35] <GJdan> Does anyone know a way to get python3.4 or
later in Wheezy?
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169 [01:15:49] <GJdan> in this situation, updating to jessie is
very undesirable
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171 [01:17:14] <magyar> hi, how can I install flash plugin for
chromium in jessie ?
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175 [01:19:24] <somiaj> Old_Dog: I would just use cp personally.
cp file.iso /dev/sdwhatever (make sure you get the device correct,
and put it on the device -- not the first partition)
176 [01:19:34] <somiaj> Old_Dog: but dd works too, and I cna
suggest windows apps if needed.
177 [01:19:42] <awal1> ,v pepper-flash-plugin-nonfree
178 [01:19:43] <judd> No package named
'pepper-flash-plugin-nonfree' was found in amd64.
179 [01:19:46] <somiaj> GJdan: use a veritual enviorment
180 [01:19:56] <somiaj> awal1: pepperflash-plugin-nonfree
181 [01:20:06] <awal1> ,v pepperflash-plugin-nonfree
182 [01:20:07] <judd> No package named
'pepperflash-plugin-nonfree' was found in amd64.
183 [01:20:20] <awal1> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
184 [01:20:21] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64
-- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib:
1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3
185 [01:20:23] <somiaj> GJdan: python does a really good job
letting you install a different version and everything you need in a
python virtual enviroment. I think wheezy has the packages to set on
eup
186 [01:20:28] <awal1> :P
187 [01:20:36] <awal1> magyar: ^
188 [01:20:39] <Old_Dog> Thanks somiaj. I appreciate your
response. thank you
189 [01:21:25] <awal1> magyar: add contrib component to your apt
sources file then install pepperflashplugin-nonfree pkg
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191 [01:24:02] <magyar> awal1: tried that, but that package is
broken
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193 [01:24:08] <awal1> if you want to have peepper running with
firefox, check browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash, as an
alternative for the very outdated flashplugin-nonfree (adobe flash
plugin)
194 [01:24:11] <GJdan> somiaj: I'm familiar with using
virtual envs to install different python packages and depedencies
without messing with the system, but I had understood that you
can't install a whole different python version in a venv
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196 [01:24:56] <GJdan> to install a virtual env of a particular
python version you still need the version in question to be
installed system-wide, no?
197 [01:25:06] <somiaj> GJdan: you can set up a python virtual
enviroment to be any python version you want including all the
additional stuff with it. Onc einside the virtual env, you can juts
use pip to install stuff
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200 [01:25:22] <Vizva> i use the outdated plugin in a virtualbox
linux, so nothing could harm
201 [01:25:31] <awal1> well, all flash stuff are right now buggy,
even under testing/unstable. I guess it's bcuz almost all
websites are switching to html5 right now, magyar
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203 [01:25:37] <magyar> awal1: actually the flashplugin-nonfree
is the only one that is maintained at the moment and installs the
latest flash for mozilla
204 [01:25:42] <somiaj> GJdan: no, you install a version inside
the virtual enviroment I thought. I could be wrong, but here I have
a sagemath version of python that is completely seperate from my
jessie system one
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206 [01:26:46] <awal1> magyar: I dont know if the broken state is
from the plugin of the websites
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209 [01:27:12] <Esteban> I have a wierd problem with a package
existing in the archive but not available in apt* ?
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211 [01:27:24] <awal1> but pepper works for me reasonably fine
(unstable). I dont run flash on jessie
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213 [01:28:14] <somiaj> GJdan: I'm unsure on the details on
how to set it up though
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216 [01:29:56] <somiaj> GJdan:
replaced-url
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219 [01:30:14] <somiaj> GJdan: this should be okay, just keep the
local build out side of system PATHs
220 [01:30:49] <somiaj> GJdan: see second answer of that link
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223 [01:31:04] <GJdan> I see
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225 [01:31:10] <GJdan> thanks, I'll give that a try
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230 [01:32:18] <awal1> magyar: if you can avoid flash that will
be better for you bcuz of security/privacy reasons. pepper is stuck
in version 1.8 since a while now; usually it's updated every 2
months, following adobe upstream
231 [01:33:15] <awal1> probably like 3 months now without updates
^
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233 [01:33:33] <magyar> that is the problem, adobe has been
removed from the chrome plugin package by google
234 [01:33:40] <somiaj> there was a change in how upstream deals
with this and debian hasn't adopted. Just go get pepperflash
from adobe and install it locally (in $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/plugins
or something like that
235 [01:33:49] <unborn> anyone familiar with dnsmasq on debian? I
cannot get it working and google is no help
236 [01:34:04] <somiaj> yea, adobe now just provides the plugin,
no need for the script to rip it from google-crhome anymore
237 [01:34:14] <magyar> somiaj: this is for chromium
238 [01:34:17] <somiaj> unborn: what have you tried? did you echo
1 into /sys/something/ip_forward.
239 [01:34:35] <unborn> im trying to use it just for blocking..
no dhcp or anything else.. somiaj address=/facebook.com/127.0.0.1
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242 [01:35:10] <somiaj> unborn: OH I see, not that familar with
dnsmasq configuration
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247 [01:36:59] <awal1> magyar: just a trivial info: now even
chromium, by default, have "ask for enable flash" and uses
html5 where possible; before it was "enable flash" as
default
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249 [01:38:04] <somiaj> magyar:
replaced-url
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251 [01:39:16] <somiaj> though that is the beta version, trying
to find the regular download. But anyways adobe is being better
again at supporting linux and unsure if debian scripts will start
pulling flash from there again as opposed to ripping it out of
google-chrome as they have for a while
252 [01:39:54] <Esteban> unborn i know fuckall about dns and I
can make dnsmasq work ok?
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254 [01:40:25] <somiaj> magyar:
replaced-url
255 [01:40:43] <Esteban> what's the specific problem?
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258 [01:42:11] <unborn> Esteban: im trying to use it just for
blocking.. no dhcp or anything else like everything from
address=/facebook.com/127.0.0.1
259 [01:42:24] <unborn> means *.facebook.com
260 [01:42:29] <Esteban> i just use a banneradverthosts file or
something
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262 [01:43:22] <kjvhv> welcome
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264 [01:43:38] <unborn> Esteban: please - I have no time to
update subdomains on hosts files like this.. dnsmasq means you add
domain and it you are done
265 [01:43:40] <Esteban> i see, dunno, my list is for specifc
hosts only
266 [01:43:42] <Esteban> eg 127.0.0.1 180searchassistant.com
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268 [01:44:18] <Esteban> does 127.0.0.1 facebook.com
269 [01:44:26] <Esteban> block all variants.facebook.com ?
270 [01:44:30] <kjvhv> no
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272 [01:44:42] <magyar> somiaj: didn't work :( No adobe
plugin after extraction
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274 [01:45:08] <unborn> Esteban: you dont understand.. you will
have to add each subdomain into host file which is - not what I mean
275 [01:45:13] <magyar> somiaj: the instruction is to unzip it in
"/usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/"
276 [01:46:06] <somiaj> magyar: using chromium?
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278 [01:46:44] <unborn> Esteban: goal is to block automatically
anything.domain.com without any specification.. dnsmasq is fantastic
for this however I think in jessie it is not working, no matter what
I do
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281 [01:47:22] <Esteban> yeah, i don't know. I read the
manpage
282 [01:47:33] <badbug> is it possible to debootstrap myself a
brand new disk image, then dd the completed image to running root
partition, and expect to be able to subsequently reboot into the new
system?
283 [01:47:37] <magyar> somiaj: yes
284 [01:47:38] <Esteban> It seems to work for me on my servers?
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287 [01:48:21] <Esteban> but I only use it for ad servers, havent
tried blocking facebook ads for example
288 [01:48:57] <magyar> somiaj: chrome://plugins/ doesn't
show the flash plugin
289 [01:49:05] <kjvhv> if you want to block facebook, start with
something like this in the hostfile.
replaced-url
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291 [01:49:21] <kjvhv> but i bet the hydra has many more heads
(domains)
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293 [01:49:48] <magyar> somiaj: not sure how the chromium browser
reads information about the installed plugins
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297 [01:51:35] <Esteban> kjvhv: unborn so list them explicitly
298 [01:51:41] <Esteban> cool
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303 [01:52:58] <unborn> Esteban: if it works.. would you mind to
paste somewhere dnsmasq.conf file?
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306 [01:54:22] <somiaj> magyar: trying to figure out where to put
the plugin so it isn't system wide
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311 [01:55:47] <awal1> so adobe flash isn't going to die? :P
312 [01:56:14] <kjvhv> i wish i knew
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316 [01:57:01] <awal1> well, if adobe is going to support linux
again for flash stuff, as somiaj says, seems it's not going to
die
317 [01:57:10] <kjvhv> i don't install flash, gnash, etc. If
that breaks a site, i don't use the site no more
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319 [01:58:07] <pingfloyd> that shows the site is lazy and
doesn't keep up
320 [01:58:12] <kjvhv> adobe pdf reader = 150 mb? that means
adobe is incompetent, so i install nothing from them
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322 [02:00:18] <kjvhv> 150 mb, in efficient code, rather seems
enough to operate a nuclear plant
323 [02:00:38] <Maskara> there so many viewers out there some
less than a meg
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325 [02:00:46] <kjvhv> yes
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327 [02:00:51] <kjvhv> and working
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333 [02:02:33] <alrogts> Hello, GNOME nautilus 3.14.1 keeps
crashing in debian 8.6 stable when right clicking a file and
clicking properties
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336 [02:03:24] <Maskara> crashing and debian does not belong in
the same sentence
337 [02:03:54] <Maskara> therefore (points at gnome)
338 [02:05:16] <nano_python> awal1, Flash is on the way out as I
see it, more websites are using html5 video player. Most youtube
videos don't need flash, big websites like twitch.tv started
using html also.
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340 [02:05:40] <alrogts> oh well, any idea what to do with a
nautilus that's not responding? :P
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342 [02:06:01] <awal1> nano_python: that's true, yeah. even
porn websites are switching to html5 :D
343 [02:06:30] <nano_python> awal1, Yes, so I've been told
:p
344 [02:07:22] <Maskara> i have debian and mate and its pretty
good ...i read somewhere mate was the next stepo from gnome
345 [02:07:24] <awal1> sadly, some live news websites I brows
sometimes still with flash
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348 [02:07:59] <Maskara> netflix in flash still
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350 [02:08:34] <nano_python> Maskara, They have html5 options
now.
351 [02:09:03] <somiaj> magyar: hmm, well unsure what directory
chromium needs and can't find the info out, but coppying
libpepflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/ worked
here to get the newest 24.0.0.186 version
352 [02:09:04] <Maskara> i suspect its why they came up wth that
new download option ..lol
353 [02:09:16] <awal1> gnome-shell is really not a nice/suitable
interface for desktop
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355 [02:09:51] <nano_python> If only they could drop the damn drm
crap so I didn't need chrome to watch on linux.
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357 [02:10:06] <Maskara> indeed
358 [02:10:11] <awal1> even for laptops. maybe for
phones/tablets. maybe gnome will chose mate or xfce as default, even
if default is just formal :P
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360 [02:10:26] <awal1> maybe debian ^
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364 [02:10:40] <awal1> someday ...
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366 [02:11:32] <nano_python> I'm a big KDE fan, never liked
where gnome was going. Can't wait for the next stable to have a
solid version of plasma desktop.
367 [02:12:26] <Maskara> plasma looks so polished
368 [02:12:45] <nano_python> Yea, it runs like a dream even on
unstable atm.
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370 [02:12:48] <Maskara> i just assumed my pos netbook would
choke
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372 [02:13:25] <awal1> I'm being off-topic, sorry, but I
think that debian and ubuntu gnome DD's/maintainers fans have a
lot of "weight" in debian project
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376 [02:15:08] <magyar> somiaj: that is the dir pepperflash
package installes it's plugin, so I guess it's configured
in one of the chromium internal options
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378 [02:15:13] <Maskara> i always thought debian the cutting edge
guys aspire for debian stability while they balance all the new
fahngled stuff
379 [02:15:15] <magyar> somiaj: that also works for me
380 [02:15:20] <magyar> somiaj: thanks
381 [02:15:47] <awal1> I tried gnome recently and I had to spend
like 15 minutes for find the options in system settings for config
screen blanking. so more easier with gnome-shell isn't really
true
382 [02:16:06] <somiaj> magyar: yea, I'm disapointed that
.config/chromium/plugins didn't work or I coudl'nt fiugre
out a local way to install that didn't require the system dir
383 [02:16:31] <magyar> :)
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387 [02:18:49] <kjvhv> i like xfce. i like windows xp. in my
opinion the linux community humiliated itself, when it followed the
example of windows 8, with similar crappy approaches.
388 [02:19:10] <kjvhv> i am always on old hardware, too
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391 [02:20:00] <unborn> kjvhv: I would rather say windows 8 was
copying stuff from linux regards gui..
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393 [02:20:20] <kjvhv> yes? then shame on linux :)
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398 [02:21:15] <unborn> kjvhv: why?
399 [02:21:20] <kjvhv> was that the plasma desktop in ubuntu,
that made me believe i was in windows 8 hell?
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401 [02:21:43] <Maskara> i always keep old hardware to tinker
with
402 [02:21:43] <Maskara> lol
403 [02:21:57] <kjvhv> because the app / smartphone centered
approach is crap in my view
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407 [02:22:17] <Maskara> im dying to try remix tho
408 [02:22:19] <unborn> im on old hardware too.. debian gnome
works perfectly
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410 [02:23:34] <n4dir> depends what you consider old, i guess
411 [02:24:01] <unborn> kjvhv: coming from gnome 2 to gnome 3 was
shock for me but in end of the day - its doable - thanks to
extentions you can do a bit mods here and there.. defo better then
unity..
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413 [02:24:35] <unborn> n4dir: 2013? I mean for me its not that
old but - its old :)
414 [02:24:54] <kjvhv> yes, unity was that very bad desktop. i
don't understand why to
415 [02:25:00] <n4dir> see. i would call that pretty new.
416 [02:25:00] <kjvhv> mix everything up
417 [02:25:23] <kjvhv> i don't need more, than a linear
menu, and simple window manager
418 [02:25:37] <kjvhv> and icons
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421 [02:27:05] <unborn> im pretty happy with gnome 3 right now..
but I will see my other options as with each new gnome release more
and more stuff gets removed
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423 [02:29:11] <kjvhv> windows 8 has been a crime to make the
world unproductive, and hide all the progranms from you
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425 [02:29:25] <kjvhv> madness
426 [02:30:07] <kjvhv> same with unity
427 [02:30:18] <n4dir> you could always try bblean, but i am not
sure if it works with win8
428 [02:30:57] <kjvhv> yes, but why would i want to install some
os, that i have to fix, to make it approachable
429 [02:31:05] <bazhang> I thought this was the windows channel
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431 [02:31:20] <n4dir> hence i didn't fool with windows for
a couple of years anymore
432 [02:31:25] <unborn> bazhang: you thought wrong
433 [02:31:26] <Maskara> this new combo with lxde and i think
slax is damn good ...can load the entire os to ram
434 [02:31:36] <Maskara> called porteus
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437 [02:32:03] <Maskara> wifi right out of the box ..etc
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440 [02:32:53] <Maskara> its like the last sane step before u
descend to raspi2 hell
441 [02:33:16] <Maskara> or more appropriately tinycore hell
442 [02:33:42] <Delf> When I connect my logitech headset clear
chat usb when the computer is started, I get different types of
profiles all the time. Sometimes no input and only output, sometimes
only output, no input. But if they're connected at boot both
shows. If memory serves there's some issues with pulse and alsa
racing?
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444 [02:34:39] <Maskara> i\ve seen something like that but my
issue was with usb overload
445 [02:35:15] <Delf> I'm experiencing the same with
creative usb hd performance too
446 [02:35:48] <Delf> "Creative USB Sound Blaster HD"
447 [02:36:24] <Delf>
replaced-url
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452 [02:37:51] <Delf> When the computer shuts down, sometimes it
does not "properly" turn off the creative usb and so it
ends up in a bad condition, next time I start computer it
doesn't work. Unplugging and plugging it back in makes it
partially work… issues with profiles
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454 [02:38:52] <Delf> So I have to shut down, unplug, plug back
in then start the computer. Which is getting irritating…
Running Debian Jessie
455 [02:39:42] <unborn> when machine is off, it should not have
affect to plug or unplug usb.. as it would be dead
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457 [02:40:30] <Delf> Kernel is 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64, from
backports
458 [02:40:53] <kjvhv> do you use hibernate/suspend powerstates?
tends to complicate stuff.
459 [02:40:54] <Delf> Since it's connected to usb hub, it
still has power
460 [02:41:02] <Delf> kjvhv: No, never
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465 [02:42:27] <Delf> Running with multi-seat too but I
don't know if that's got anything to do with the shut down
problem. However, the plugging in while computer is on makes things
irritating. For example when friend comes over and he takes his own
headset with him and connect to usb, I must reboot computer,
otherwise he only get either input or output sound, not both.
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469 [02:44:24] <kjvhv> test around, eliminate use of the hub.
reconfigure, reinstall driver packages, etc.
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472 [02:45:15] <Delf> That I have yet to try. I'll try
connecting usb headset to motherboard now and see what audio
profiles I'll get
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474 [02:46:06] <kjvhv> i don't even understand what an audio
profile is supposed to be
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477 [02:48:37] <Delf>
replaced-url
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488 [02:51:57] <Delf> Strange enough, with creative hs-1200
headset, there's no issues with the profiles. Output and input
seems to appear all the time. But the logitech clear chat usb and
the creative x-fi usb hd… there's issues
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491 [02:52:52] <Delf> WTF!? Just tried them too, they seem to
work. Has there recently been a fix?
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496 [02:55:40] <kjvhv> for sure there is something colliding.
complex functionality of the headsets, like dolby modes. then the
gui of the audio config, and the underlying sound sytem. or even
more basic stuff, like usb itself.
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498 [02:56:01] <kjvhv> i wouldn't know
499 [02:56:16] <Esteban> You have searched for packages that
names contain virtualbox in suite(s) stretch, all sections, and all
architectures. Found 1 matching packages
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501 [02:56:26] <Esteban> why are there no virtualbox packages for
testing?
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504 [02:56:50] <Esteban> am I doing it wrong?
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510 [02:58:31] <n4dir> packages.debian.org doesn't list it
neither. only guest-additions. either you wait a bit or you install
it from sid
511 [02:59:33] <n4dir> even better wold be to ask in #debian-next
though.
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516 [03:01:55] <Esteban> n4dir: yeah it's been strange for a
while. It's only for a VM so I'm going to try
jessie-backports versions first
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521 [03:02:46] <n4dir> ah, for a while now. Like said, i would go
for the sid version, but that's your choice. The bot has a
how-to, but i can't talk with the bot
522 [03:02:49] <Esteban> #debian-next hey
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524 [03:03:15] <Esteban> I'm kinda limited with irc from
where I am
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527 [03:03:21] <Esteban> cool thanks for the tips
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529 [03:04:06] <n4dir> in short and half-wrong you add the sid
list, in either apt.conf or preferences you make testing the default
release, and with "apt-get install -t sid <pkg> "you
install from sid
530 [03:04:10] <Delf> It happened again now, only input showing,
not output. Maybe it's got to do with multiseat?
531 [03:04:18] <n4dir> but don't take my word for it, its
from the top of my head
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537 [03:07:05] <Delf> Strange, input shows on one seat while the
output is on the other seat, both don't show on the seat
it's connected to. Perhaps it's got to do with one of the
users on a seat that's in the "audio" group which one
isn't suppose to be in when doing multiseat
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544 [03:08:33] <kjvhv> good luck. time to go sleeping for kjvhv!
545 [03:08:38] <kjvhv> bye
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561 [03:16:59] <chicognu> how to I remove only a package
installed and preserve all dependencies ?
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577 [03:24:54] <liiozx> a
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579 [03:25:32] <Epakai> dpkg -r package, assuming nothing depends
on package
580 [03:25:32] * dpkg removes package, assuming nothing depends on
package along with a pound of flesh from epakai's body, then
staples epakai back up with a staple gun.
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583 [03:26:11] <Epakai> thanks dpkg
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596 [03:30:38] <awal1> chicognu: well, if pkg A is a dependency
for pkg B and C, when you remove C, A will not be removed bcuz B
needs it. so just do apt/aptitude/apt-get remove or purge pkgname
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598 [03:31:13] <awal1> but, why the hell you want A if you remove
B and C?
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601 [03:31:43] <awal1> I guess that's what you want
according to your question :P
602 [03:32:38] <chicognu> awal1, but A is a dependency to pkg B
and I need to remove B only is it possible ?
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604 [03:33:14] <n4dir> then apt shouldn't remove it,
assuming i understand you correct
605 [03:33:22] <awal1> chicognu: yes you can
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610 [03:34:19] <awal1> just run apt/apt-get remove. don't
run autoremove or aptitude purge
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613 [03:35:30] <awal1> i meant not apt/apt-get/aptitude purge ;
not apt/apt-get autoremove
614 [03:35:45] <awal1> chicognu: why you want to do that?
615 [03:36:25] <chicognu> awal1, I'm with some problems with
a package from repository and not with the compiled package
616 [03:36:41] <awal1> why you want pkg A if not needed by any
other pkg or by yourself?
617 [03:37:17] <chicognu> awal1, Because A is needed by the
package compiled by hand
618 [03:37:18] <awal1> pkg from repository?
619 [03:37:22] <chicognu> yes
620 [03:37:35] <awal1> oh, ok
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623 [03:38:32] <awal1> also, you may achieve that marking A as
manually installed
624 [03:38:40] <n4dir> chicognu: there is a command for aptitude
(or apt-get or both), you can tell a dependency was installed on
it's own. As i never needed it, i don't remember it
625 [03:38:47] <awal1> apt-mark manual pkgA
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627 [03:39:38] <chicognu> awal1, that is better, because I will
not see thousands of "unnecessary packages"
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629 [03:40:01] <chicognu> n4dir, awal1 thanks :D
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633 [03:41:18] <awal1> chicognu: n4dirs suggestion is interesting
too if you find the command
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638 [03:42:15] <n4dir> awal1: might well be i meant apt-mark. i
only know there is a way to mark it (and apt-mark seems to make
sense :-) )
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657 [03:58:17] <pingfloyd> chicognu: the by hand package
doesn't have pkg A listed as a dependency when it really
depends on it?
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659 [03:59:31] <chicognu> pingfloyd, no.
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694 [04:14:03] <cha18> I isntalled linux-image-amd64 through
jessie-backports, it installed. how do I continue...? uname-r still
says 3.1.6 or whatever.
695 [04:14:06] <cha18> reboot ?
696 [04:14:27] <cha18> intent being to upgrade kernel to 4.6
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790 [05:11:33] <awal1> How to emulate mouse button 1 ? (for
select purpose in terminal) I mean assign keyboard key for mouse
button 1 for be able to select using keyboard only
791 [05:12:19] <somiaj> use tmux or screen which have keyboard
selection tools
792 [05:13:03] <somiaj> I think there are cli tools to put
something into the clipboard, but this won't let you select
something without a mouse unless you are running inside of tmux or
screen
793 [05:13:05] <awal1> yeah, googling, I have foud that only tmux
and screen have native support for that
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797 [05:14:35] <l4m8d4> /buffer/buffer 6
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799 [05:14:39] <awal1> so I think it's time to try out
seriously screen or tmux
800 [05:14:40] <l4m8d4> whoops
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803 [05:14:47] <somiaj> tmux is more modern
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806 [05:15:11] <awal1> ok
807 [05:15:14] <l4m8d4> just use byobu if you don't want it
too fance - it uses tmux as backend
808 [05:15:20] <l4m8d4> *fancy
809 [05:15:29] <awal1> byobu ?
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811 [05:15:45] <awal1> ,v byobu
812 [05:15:46] <judd> Package: byobu on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.16-1.1; wheezy-backports: 5.87-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.87-1; stretch:
5.87-1; sid: 5.112-1; stretch: 5.112-1
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814 [05:16:04] <l4m8d4> I find it pretty nice, using it
everywhere pretty much
815 [05:16:07] <awal1> never heard about it
816 [05:17:01] <l4m8d4>
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817 [05:17:21] <awal1> aptitude description is enough :P
818 [05:17:33] <l4m8d4> Maybe it is just me but I always found
bare screen and tmux very tedious
819 [05:17:44] <awal1> sounds interesting, even if ubuntu
software :P
820 [05:18:00] <l4m8d4> byobu makes it a little easier, maybe
sacrificing a little bit of flexibility
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822 [05:19:37] <gry> Hi all. :) Would like to run Android apps on
Debian, is there a good emulator or something in the Debian
repositories, or I should use virtualbox and run an Android image
inside (with me finding the said image on the Intetnet by hand)?
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832 [05:24:27] <somiaj> gry: I see some andriodsdk packages in
jessie and you might be able to install andriod studio locally
(seems this is a popular way to developen andriod apps)
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835 [05:24:41] <awal1> interesting is byobu according to the
video demostration found in the official site
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836 [05:25:07] <gry> somiaj, I tried to install the androidsdk
package but I didn't figure out how to use it, maybe you give
some pointers? I was looking around on the Internet but could not
find a useful tutorial
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838 [05:25:19] <somiaj> gry: I haven't used it, I'm
just seeing what is out there
839 [05:25:28] <somiaj> gry: have you looked at
replaced-url
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841 [05:26:46] <somiaj> gry: you may just have to install from
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843 [05:27:41] <gry> thank you somiaj , I will check them out
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846 [05:29:57] <somiaj> gry: I see various blog posts about
installing andriod studio from upstream in jessie, seems you just
need java installed for it. I'm unsure on the current state of
android studio in debian jessie, but it dosen't look like it is
all there just some of the androidsdk stuff
847 [05:30:09] <somiaj> but with java seemed fairly straight
forward to install locally
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914 [06:19:10] <admins>
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936 [06:37:37] <vmorris> i'm fooling around with preseed
installation automation here and was curious as to how I might send
messages to the hardware console while inside the
preseed/late-command string
937 [06:39:00] <vmorris> command stdout and stderr aren't
appearing.. any suggestions?
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940 [06:40:47] <cha18> hello, I have installed my wireless
driver, I have my wireless card detected in the output of
'lspci -nnk | grep Wireless', I have the correct iwlwifi
driver installed
941 [06:41:20] <cha18> however wlan0 isn't being listed when
I call ifconfig
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944 [06:42:10] <cha18> what gives? there's a disconnect
between the driver being engaged by the device so that it displays
in ifconfig.
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955 [06:48:26] <vmorris> cha18: what does dmesg show?
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957 [06:49:51] <cha18> says it fails to load the driver
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959 [06:50:11] <cha18> with error code -2
960 [06:53:16] <vmorris> do you see the driver in lsmod output?
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965 [06:54:29] <vmorris> i don't know anything about iwlwifi
drivers.. sorry
966 [06:54:38] <vmorris> you sure you got the right one?
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968 [06:54:49] <cha18> I had the wrong one
969 [06:55:06] <vmorris> cool
970 [06:55:13] <cha18> I need the -15.ucode one, which isn't
included in the iwlwifi firmware package that the repository says
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972 [06:56:05] <vmorris> find it here?
replaced-url
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983 [07:00:17] <yanhuihang> How to copy a process's output
to clipboard in terminal? Like ``cat log | clipboard''
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985 [07:00:57] <yanhuihang> I don't wanna install a x-org
text editor
986 [07:01:07] <irasoulpour> hi
987 [07:01:25] <yanhuihang> :-)
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989 [07:02:12] <M4rc76> you can use tee to copy the stdout to a
file
990 [07:02:46] <yanhuihang> tks. and how to copy to clipboard?
991 [07:02:48] <yanhuihang> xfce4
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995 [07:03:31] <vmorris> what terminal?
996 [07:03:39] <vmorris> probably it's
"ctrl+shift+c"
997 [07:04:02] <yanhuihang> i can't select then all when
there are flood of text
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999 [07:04:15] <vmorris> use > to redirect stdout
1000 [07:04:43] <vmorris> like M4rc76 said, tee if you want to see
it as well
1001 [07:04:50] <yanhuihang> then how to copy them to clipboard?
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1003 [07:04:51] <yanhuihang> :-)
1004 [07:05:06] <vmorris> let's get to the point, why do you
want it on the clipboard?
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1006 [07:05:23] <yanhuihang> a certain log
1007 [07:05:30] <vmorris> not what, why
1008 [07:05:44] <vmorris> why do you need the data in the
clipboard, it must be going somewhere after that
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1011 [07:06:16] <yanhuihang> a connect stops strangly and I want
to paste to log to who may help
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1014 [07:08:21] <vmorris> process output >
/path/to/logfile.out; echo "email body" | mutt -a
"/path/to/logfile.out" -s "subject" --
recipient@domain.com
1015 [07:08:30] <vmorris> requires mutt
1016 [07:09:03] <vmorris> process output >
/path/to/logfile.out; scp /path/to/logfile.out user@domain
1017 [07:09:06] <vmorris> requires ssh
1018 [07:09:34] <M4rc76> I would use fail2ban for automatic
mailing logs
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1023 [07:11:54] <vmorris> i mean.. c'mon FTP is a think
yanhuihang, i think you're missing some fundamentals here
1024 [07:12:02] <vmorris> it's a thing too
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1033 [07:15:22] <vmorris> me personally? i think you should VNC
and screenshot, then email the images
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1165 [08:27:40] <thid> anyone can tell me how to handle BCM43228
on debian testing?
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1172 [08:33:03] <at0m> !testing
1173 [08:33:04] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<stretch>. See
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1176 [08:34:32] <jelly> thid: perhaps see /msg dpkg brcmsmac and
/msg dpkg wl
1177 [08:35:04] <thid> jelly: thx
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set sound volume above 100. How can I achieve that via keyboard
shortcut? I use "amixer -D default set Master 5%+ unmute"
command via terminal or keyboard shortcut for increase sound volume
but maximum stops at 100%. How I modify that for get it above 100 as
pulseaudio does?
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1339 [09:44:02] <CtrlC> how can I check if a port is reachable
from outside?
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1343 [09:44:27] <CtrlC> netstat -nltp shows it but I want to see
if there's maybe a firewall or something on the way.
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1349 [09:45:26] <jelly> CtrlC: fire up a small vm somewhere in the
cloud, test, shut it down, pay a penny
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1351 [09:45:52] <CtrlC> jelly, what? I don't know how that
helps.
1352 [09:46:07] <dcpc007> hi all, is it possible to initialize a
home dir for an new ldap user on a server as if i create locally
(and take custom config for .bashrc for example)
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1354 [09:46:11] <CtrlC> I have my own system that I can run
commands on! So I guess that'll do it.
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1356 [09:46:17] <CtrlC> Just don't know what to run.
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1358 [09:46:20] <ransur0t> CtrlC: incloack.com/ports
1359 [09:46:29] <ransur0t> *incloak.com/ports
1360 [09:46:36] <CtrlC> I just want to it it once.:/
1361 [09:46:38] <utente> hi dudes. i run debian 8.6 with LXDE with
classic PCManFM file manager. it display me extra partition of HDD
and usb memory sticks when i plug them in usb port. all run ok. on
another old pc i istalled a fresh debina 8.6, but to take minimal
footprint, i instlled only command line. Later, i istalled istalled
lxde metapackage with --no-install-recommends option. After reboot,
lxde works correctly, but CPManFM DOES NOT show extra partition i
have on tha PC. i
1362 [09:46:38] <utente> suppose i miss some packages that allow
to see extrapartitions, but i dont know what it is. some hints?
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1364 [09:46:49] <jelly> CtrlC: if you already have your own system
somewhere outside the local network, why are you asking?
1365 [09:47:06] <CtrlC> jelly, I'm asking for commands.
1366 [09:47:09] <jelly> ah
1367 [09:47:14] <CtrlC> To check for an open port.
1368 [09:47:38] <jelly> CtrlC: tcp port? telnet
your.host.name.example.org portnumber
1369 [09:47:42] <ransur0t> CtrlC: check out the url I shared,
should give you what you need
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1372 [09:48:02] <CtrlC> Thanks guys.
1373 [09:48:28] <afx_> Hello! There are times firefox , hexchat ,
dropbox (don't know if other applications too ) boot with
broken theme i.e. context menu and windows theme is different from
global theme. Currently I am using Adwaita in Jessie x64 . How could
I troubleshoot this?
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1423 [10:03:41] <Ulrar> Hi, Does anyone know how to install
mysql-5.0 on a debian wheezy ? I know, everything about this is old
but I need to migrate a php4 app ..
1424 [10:05:34] <nkuttler> ,v mysql-server
1425 [10:05:35] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.50-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security:
5.5.53-0+deb7u1; jessie-security: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; jessie-backports:
5.6.30-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 5.6.30-1; sid: 5.6.30-1; sid: 5.7.16-1
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1427 [10:05:57] <nkuttler> Ulrar: you probably want to install an
older release if you need that..
1428 [10:06:09] <nkuttler> Ulrar: but if the app is running right
now, why not just export the data?
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1430 [10:06:10] <LOL-Dogshit-420> s
1431 [10:06:16] <LOL-Dogshit-420> LOL BIRDSHIT, 420 BLAZE
IT!!!!!!!!!!
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1440 [10:09:16] <Ulrar> nkuttler: Well, the repo for older
releases aren't up I believe
1441 [10:09:24] <Ulrar> So you can't actually install them
1442 [10:09:27] <nkuttler> !tell Ulrar about archive
1443 [10:09:40] <Ulrar> And the app is running, but exporting
won't help me ?
1444 [10:10:48] <nkuttler> Ulrar: do you have a new version of the
software that needs to access the old db you already have?
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1446 [10:11:09] <Ulrar> Oh no, I wish
1447 [10:11:18] <Ulrar> I need that version running on a new
machine
1448 [10:11:33] <Ulrar> Well, it's a VM so nothing fancy,
just need to trash the old server
1449 [10:11:33] <nkuttler> there is no upgrade path?
1450 [10:11:48] <Ulrar> There will be, I believe the client paid
for a new version, should be ready in the summer
1451 [10:11:53] <Ulrar> But the server is dying now
1452 [10:12:10] <nkuttler> that doesn't really mean anything.
sounds like you're stuck on your old os then
1453 [10:12:13] <Ulrar> So you think I should install a lenny
again
1454 [10:12:30] <nkuttler> i'd probably put that into a
container or something
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1456 [10:12:44] <Ulrar> No containers here, but a VM is fine
1457 [10:12:51] <Ulrar> Just never thought I'd install a leny
again
1458 [10:13:17] <nkuttler> well, i wouldn't want to expose an
unsupported os to the internet
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1460 [10:13:45] <nkuttler> and i assume you'll run your php
app on the same server..
1461 [10:14:09] <Ulrar> PHP 4, speaking of unsported ..
1462 [10:15:02] <nkuttler> well. sucks to be you :)
1463 [10:15:16] <Ulrar> I'm thinking of just installing 5.5
and say I didn't have a choice and we need to put a developer
on it to make it compatible
1464 [10:15:25] <Ulrar> Shouldn't be too much work anyway
1465 [10:15:31] <nkuttler> that sounds like a plan
1466 [10:15:56] <Ulrar> I'll talk it over with my colleagues,
see what they think. Thanks
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1473 [10:19:24] <Ulrar> Allright, I'll go with a mysql 5.5,
and worst case we'll do a container
1474 [10:19:41] <Ulrar> No idea how that works or how to interface
our monitoring with this
1475 [10:19:45] <Ulrar> So I hope it won't come to that
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1477 [10:19:54] <unborn> Esteban: hey, just wanted to let you know
that I managed to get dnsmasq working. Well it was working properly
from very start, just my network didnt see it. Pretty trivial after
all.. just added one line to my conf file and it all starts working
properly.
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1500 [10:32:41] <unborn> OS-22896: for some reason you always do
space in front of your commands.. not good idea.. you should check
your irc client for settings or something..
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1518 [10:41:23] <Brski> Does Debian come with any Hyper-V
integration services?
1519 [10:42:57] <jelly> ,v hyperv-daemons
1520 [10:42:58] <judd> Package: hyperv-daemons on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 3.16.7-ckt20-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 3.16.7-ckt20-1;
jessie-backports: 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.11-1; sid: 4.8.11-1;
experimental: 4.9~rc8-1~exp1
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1522 [10:43:14] <unborn> I think it does
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1524 [10:43:56] <jelly> Brski: an "apt-cache search
hyperv" or other keyword can reveal interesting stuff
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1526 [10:44:50] <Brski> ... lsmod | grep hv_* returns some
interesting stuff.
1527 [10:45:10] <jelly> that too, but that is kernel drivers, not
userspace services
1528 [10:45:22] <Brski> I'm quite surprised that it comes
with Hyper-V LIS, but not VMware VM Tools.
1529 [10:45:26] <jelly> and that * does not mean what you think it
means with grep
1530 [10:45:38] <jelly> Brski: those are called open-vm-tools
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1532 [10:45:56] <Brski> jelly, I know, but you have to install
that manually.
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1534 [10:46:18] <jelly> and you have to install hyperv-daemons
manually
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1538 [10:47:52] <jelly> paravirtualized/optimized drivers for ESX
guests are present by default, stuff like vmxnet3, pvscsi, fb driver
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1559 [10:56:47] <oty> is there a gnupg global conf ?
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1570 [11:05:34] <_Nox> Ohayou gozaimasu
1571 [11:06:27] <oty> question about gpg : is there a globale
gpg.conf somewhere in debian ?
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1575 [11:10:22] <Antares>
replaced-url
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1614 [11:24:02] <unborn> !ops Antares - spam...
1615 [11:24:03] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: unborn complains
about: Antares - spam...
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1624 [11:25:33] <julius> hi
1625 [11:25:49] <julius> does if-up.d also recognize when openvpn
sets up a new interface, it is started by the system
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1628 [11:26:13] <julius> im asking because i did setup a simple
echo in a if-up.d file for tun0, but it never gets executed
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1634 [11:33:07] <friesenpeter> julius: where do you expect the
output of an echo to go to? Maybe try a "logger" call to
have it appear in the syslog
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1636 [11:33:11] <moldy> hi
1637 [11:33:17] <moldy> is it possible to set a catch-all in
/etc/aliases?
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1643 [11:34:27] <friesenpeter> moldy: I don't think so. What
is the mail server daemon you are using?
1644 [11:34:34] <moldy> friesenpeter: exim4
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1646 [11:34:53] <moldy> friesenpeter: ideally i'd like to
have this in a cross-mta-compatible way though
1647 [11:35:57] <friesenpeter> moldy: cross-mta-compatible sounds
near to impossible given the breadth of implementations there are.
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1656 [11:40:42] <moldy> friesenpeter: well, let's say exim4 +
postfix :)
1657 [11:40:44] <friesenpeter> moldy: for my exim4 installation I
use paste.debian.net/902512
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1660 [11:41:21] <friesenpeter> I don't use catch-all adresses
but that is probably possible with that file
1661 [11:41:27] <moldy> i think of /etc/aliases doesn't
support this, i will automate entering the single aliases instead
1662 [11:41:42] <friesenpeter> moldy:
replaced-url
1663 [11:41:59] <moldy> i just want to get the cron emails of all
user accounts to the alias for root
1664 [11:42:01] <friesenpeter>
replaced-url
1665 [11:42:20] <friesenpeter> moldy: Put "MAILTO=root"
in the crontabs
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1667 [11:42:31] <moldy> friesenpeter: hmmm, that might work
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1670 [11:42:56] <moldy> some of the crontabs are written by
third-party code though
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1678 [11:43:40] <friesenpeter> I'd explicitly configure
forwards for those in /etc/aliases
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1682 [11:44:13] <moldy> might be the best solution, yes.
1683 [11:45:11] <moldy> the bummer is that it's easy to
forget, and then it tries to send to user@hostname via the
configured smarthost, which then tries to deliver the mail back to
the system that send it, but that doesn't accept mail, so it
queues up
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1685 [11:45:41] <moldy> probably there is another misconfiguration
involved here. i tried to keep the difference to the default jessie
config minimal.
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1691 [11:47:00] <moldy> maybe i should just switch to postfix,
since i know that better.
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1697 [11:48:43] <jelly> moldy: you can't have both exim4 and
postfix installed on Debian from debian's packages at the same
time
1698 [11:48:57] <moldy> jelly: yeah, i know that. i'd of
course have to get rid of exim4 then.
1699 [11:49:06] <moldy> that would be the point :)
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1701 [11:50:05] <jelly> our debian server templates default to
postfix listening on just localhost, fuck exim
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1703 [11:50:27] <jelly> !start a mta war
1704 [11:50:27] <dpkg> Courier systems are liable to be r00ted!
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1708 [11:52:35] <friesenpeter> Hm, can anyone elaborate on that ^
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1712 [11:53:10] <moldy> it's just trolling, i think :p
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1715 [11:53:41] <friesenpeter> yeah, just found the wiki for that
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1747 [12:11:06] <julius> friesenpeter, if [ "$IFACE" =
"tun0" ]; then mydate=`date`; echo "$mydate"
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1772 [12:20:29] <DanteD> stretch seems to be missing some packages
like virtualbox, /quit
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1825 [12:49:58] <friesenpeter> julius: Perhaps a permission
problem then? Try chmod 0777 /home/julius/tun0-up; chmod o+x
/home/julius; sudo chmod o+x /home
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1858 [13:05:12] <petn-randall> "chmod 0777" is never the
solution to a problem. It's the start of an interesting
journey.
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1862 [13:06:14] <bezaban> tell that to my predecessor
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1868 [13:10:45] <Shadur> petn-randall: One that tends to end with
"and then I decided to just reinstall from scratch"
1869 [13:11:26] <Shadur> Alternately, the journey is one about
self-discovery and also about finding new employment elsewhere.
1870 [13:11:48] <bezaban> yes. especially the -R variant
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1919 [13:36:51] <bumbar> i'm on debian 8.6 and want tried to
install
replaced-url
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1921 [13:37:17] <babilen> bumbar: That package is not in backports
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1923 [13:39:54] <Shadur> bumbar: stretch and backports are
different things.
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1934 [13:49:03] <bumbar> how can i install it then?
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1943 [13:56:27] <n4dir> the answer probably depends on for what
you (think you) need it
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1945 [13:57:23] <dionysus69> can i ask a gnupg question here?
1946 [13:57:42] <n4dir> not sure if backporting it yourself makes
sense, you could upgrade to stretch, you could create a stretch
debootstrap
1947 [13:57:51] <n4dir> and probably 42 other solutions
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1949 [13:58:03] <fred1807> how do I get bash 4.4 on jessy?
1950 [13:58:51] <fred1807> nevermind, I found it, thx
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1962 [14:03:16] <ausinch> I just installed a headless server
without a network connection. After the install I put it on the
network. Now, how do I easily add entries to the
/etc/apt/source.list. Is there an ncurses command like during the
installation?
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1964 [14:03:34] <jelly> ,v bash
1965 [14:03:35] <judd> Package: bash on amd64 -- wheezy:
4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u4; jessie:
4.3-11+b1; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.3-11+deb8u1; sid: 4.4-2;
stretch: 4.4-2
1966 [14:03:46] <jelly> fred1807: you backport it
1967 [14:03:58] <jelly> dpkg, tell fred1807 about ssb
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1971 [14:06:04] <n4dir> ausinch: you go to wiki.debian.org, go to
network configuration, copy and paste and adapt to your needs
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1973 [14:06:44] <ausinch> n4dir: Many Thanks :-)
1974 [14:07:08] <n4dir> though: ausinch don't you use
wireless?
1975 [14:08:34] <ausinch> n4dir: it on a VM host
1976 [14:08:34] <n4dir> ausinch: i searched for it quite often,
hence i find it quickly (just in case):
replaced-url
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1978 [14:09:54] <ausinch> n4dir: just thought of another way - i
have a server on the same farm, i am going to confirm versions then
copy the source.list file
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1982 [14:10:37] <n4dir> oh, yeah, copy it around is one of my
favorites.
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1987 [14:12:09] <n4dir> duh, ausinch. i misread your question. You
asked for sources list, i thought of network configuration files. My
fault, sorry (still wiki debian has examples, still copy around is a
good idea, only for clarification)
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1992 [14:13:53] <ausinch> n4dir: NP thanks regardless.
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1999 [14:19:43] <bumbar> n4dir, i need g++-5 to build my
application on server, but i'm not sure if i'd like to
update everything to stretch
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2003 [14:20:51] <n4dir> bumbar: in case it is only needed for the
build i would probably go for a debootstrap (but i only give an
opinion, you might wait for other answers)
2004 [14:21:20] <jelly> bumbar: set up a chroot of stretch with
debootstrap or a wrapper for it and build in there
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2006 [14:21:32] <jelly> ,v g++
2007 [14:21:34] <judd> Package: g++ on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1;
jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.2.1-1; stretch: 4:6.2.1-1; experimental:
4:7-20161116-2
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2009 [14:21:47] <jelly> ha, g++-6 seems to be default for stretch
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2078 [14:55:51] <ws2k3> can this work? ip address add
2001:1aa8:185::212:100/128 dev lo:5 -arp ?
2079 [14:56:21] <jmp> ws2k3:
replaced-url
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2081 [14:57:36] <ws2k3> jmp do you also have a point you wanne
make?
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2170 [15:34:37] <Logg> my screens keep turning off while watching
youtube videos. I don't use any desktop environment, so I
don't know how to stop it. What program could be in charge of
keeping track of how long it has been since the computer last
received user input so it can put my monitors to sleep, and how do I
kill it. thanks -- Logg
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2175 [15:37:05] <teraflops> Logg: while watching yt videos with
what? web browser?
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2180 [15:37:28] <Logg> I use mpv, I use browser, doesn't
matter.
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2182 [15:37:40] <teraflops> hmm
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2188 [15:39:22] <teraflops> Logg: so no DE? which WM, if any? also
do you use a DM?
2189 [15:39:41] <Logg> I use AwesomeWM
2190 [15:39:46] <Logg> I use lightdm
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2192 [15:39:59] <jelly> Logg: mpv has options to disable
screensaver, rtfm fot details
2193 [15:40:19] <Logg> thanks jelly but it's not just an mpv
problem
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2195 [15:40:30] <Logg> and it's actually not a screensaver
issue, it's power save
2196 [15:40:50] <teraflops> jelly: turning off the screen is the
same as a screensaver?
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2200 [15:41:24] <jelly> Logg: then look at xset and its dpms
settings
2201 [15:41:25] <teraflops> it looks to me that awesome is doing
something there
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2203 [15:42:18] <Logg> I'll look into it jelly. not sure that
it's actually awesomewm, I'm pretty sure I've read
the whole config by now
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2221 [15:54:21] <Antares> Send cocaine from MI6
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2228 [15:55:34] <Vizva> one time someone did ask me to deliver a
packet from uk to europe or other way
2229 [15:55:53] <Vizva> this was Mi6
2230 [15:55:55] <Vizva> maybe
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2232 [15:56:55] <Vizva> Antares why write it here?
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2236 [15:57:27] <Antares> me need dopinna kishku i s molitvoy
2237 [15:57:35] <Antares> kaloca nadoelo
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2240 [15:58:03] <Vizva> but its Off Topic
2241 [15:58:12] <Antares> doping na kishku
2242 [15:58:17] <teraflops> because he's a spy and t in code
2243 [15:58:23] <teraflops> speaking*
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2245 [15:58:48] <teraflops> s/spy/troll
2246 [15:58:56] <Vizva> i think more troll
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2249 [15:59:19] <Vizva> poisened troll ;)
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2251 [15:59:28] <teraflops> Vizva: anyway next time just ignore
them
2252 [15:59:33] <Vizva> ok
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2256 [15:59:57] <Vizva> if i can do a favour for you
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2260 [16:00:19] <Antares> thx
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2263 [16:01:02] <abrotman> Antares: do you need help with Debian?
2264 [16:01:06] <Vizva> but in my case somone ask me in real in uk
country road
2265 [16:01:11] <abrotman> ...
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2271 [16:01:58] <Antares> no me need help with nasm & gcc
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2275 [16:03:03] <Antares>
replaced-url
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2279 [16:04:35] <deluxx> If I use the DVD iso to install debian to
my laptop can i still do a minimal installation and add packages
later?
2280 [16:05:07] <Antares> you need add repo in cofig
2281 [16:05:14] <Antares> befor write he
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2283 [16:06:14] <teraflops> deluxx: iirc yes
2284 [16:06:15] <deluxx> huh?
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2286 [16:06:40] <deluxx> ok thanks teraflops
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2289 [16:07:00] <babilen> deluxx: Yes, the installer is the same.
The images simply differ in the number of packages they contain and
some settings (e.g. desktop environment that will be installed by
default, ...)
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2293 [16:07:34] <teraflops> deluxx: not that I use the dvd for
installimg debian but the installer is the same
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2298 [16:08:18] <teraflops> ugh I'm getting slow or it's
just lag
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2313 [16:09:48] <deluxx> Ok great :) thank you babilen
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2322 [16:12:10] <Antares> if no conneti on install to intrnet?
repo no add
2323 [16:12:14] <Antares> ,
2324 [16:12:30] <Antares> was 6-7 мукышщт
2325 [16:12:39] <Antares> version
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2327 [16:12:42] <Antares> like wis
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2331 [16:14:00] <abrotman> !ru
2332 [16:14:00] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian
(irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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2337 [16:14:49] <JyZyXEL> % sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree
--install fails with: mv: cannot stat
‘unpackchrome/opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so’:
No such file or directory
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2341 [16:15:19] <abrotman> JyZyXEL: I'm sure you've
checked the BTS, right?
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2347 [16:16:35] <JyZyXEL> ah, i didn't realize it had its own
package
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2357 [16:19:15] <JyZyXEL> damn, i had no idea chromiums flash
plugin was separate like this
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2359 [16:19:42] <JyZyXEL> this whole time i've thought
i've been getting security upgrades for flash via chromium
updates... :P
2360 [16:20:12] <JyZyXEL> but it all depends on the user
remembering to run this update command (which doesn't even work
anymore)
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2364 [16:20:36] <JyZyXEL> such security.
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2419 [16:38:31] <jamesl> I'm having some difficulties with
pam_mount in Debian. I'm setting up centralized auth with PAM,
and also shared home directories. The home directories are being
shared on a Samba server, and on the clients I have this pam_mount
config file:
replaced-url
2420 [16:38:31] <jamesl> isn't working with my PAM volume
definition?
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2429 [16:41:42] <tdn> I am thinking about volunteering to be a
package maintainer for ReaR. But where do I begin? And how much time
should I expect to spend on this?
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2431 [16:41:56] <jamesl> <volume fstype="cifs"
server="192.168.1.11" path='\homes\%(USER)'
mountpoint="~" /> is the specific definition I'm
having trouble with. I followed advice from
replaced-url
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2434 [16:44:09] * greycat wonders what the hell "centralized auth
with PAM" is, why cifs is being used instead of NFS, and how
XML is related to any of this
2435 [16:45:17] <jamesl> greycat: I have no idea why the
configuration file is written in XML. Centralized auth with PAM is
when someone logs onto one client, they can also log onto other
clients with the same password, and the password can be changed
remotely
2436 [16:45:36] <jamesl> no idea if I'm describing it
correctly, centralized auth is what I googled
2437 [16:45:37] <greycat> But *which* authentication are you
using? NIS? LDAP?
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2439 [16:46:05] <jamesl> probably LDAP. But I'd like to get
the shared home dirs to work first
2440 [16:46:14] <jamesl> so I haven't implemented LDAP yet
2441 [16:46:17] <greycat> Why does it have to be CIFS/Samba?
2442 [16:46:39] <jamesl> it doesn't have to be, what other
solution do you recommend for shared home directories?
2443 [16:46:49] <greycat> NFS is the obvious choice for sharing
between unixes
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2447 [16:48:45] <jamesl> thanks. I'm going to try setting up
NFS and then see if I still experience problems
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line
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2517 [17:16:45] <Logg>
2518 [17:16:51] <Logg> Jelly: it worked thanks
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2520 [17:17:45] <pingspammer> Hello
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2536 [17:22:23] <jelly> pingspammer: hi
2537 [17:22:26] <jelly> !ask
2538 [17:22:26] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2540 [17:22:44] <pingspammer> jelly, I'm here to have fun and
hang out
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2542 [17:23:05] <jelly> wrong channel for that, try ##chat or
#debian-offtopic
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2544 [17:23:39] <yotam> I installed Debian unstable with GNOME and
I can't see programs in GNOME Software except what I already
installed, how can I fix it? I try to look for updates from the
software center but it didn't work :(
2545 [17:23:45] <pingspammer> jelly: okay
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2547 [17:23:49] <greycat> !debian-next
2548 [17:23:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2554 [17:25:40] <jamesl> logout
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2567 [17:29:51] <hektabyte> Hey guys, how did you solve a problem
with Nvidia drivers and Cinnamon? And don't tell me that you
uninstalled Cinnamon. :D
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2572 [17:31:29] <jelly> was there a problem?
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2575 [17:32:15] <hektabyte> Cinnamon crashes when I install Nvidia
drivers, yes.
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2577 [17:32:28] <unicron> is there an equivalent command to
"strace" for bash scripts?
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2581 [17:32:42] <unicron> i'm having trouble debugging
sakis3g
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2587 [17:33:33] <jelly> unicron: bash -x blah.sh
2588 [17:33:47] <jelly> or add set -x as the second line
2589 [17:33:51] <n4dir> unicron: set -x comes to my mind and the
website shellcheck (though i think it is also in the debian repos)
2590 [17:34:46] <Iridos> #845984
2591 [17:34:47] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
2592 [17:34:48] <jelly> unicron:
replaced-url
2593 [17:35:01] <jelly> Iridos: sounds like a feature
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2595 [17:35:11] <n4dir> i also learned to "set -x ... block
of got which erros ... set +x " as having set -x for the whole
script gives me hard times. unicron
2596 [17:35:15] <Iridos> no man… that situation is grave!!
2597 [17:35:21] <greycat> I'd use
replaced-url
2598 [17:35:47] <Iridos> jelly, Justification: renders package
unusable
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2601 [17:36:10] <unicron> thanks! this is really the weirdest
shell script i've ever tried to use. it works fine normally but
it's failing for an unknown reason when i try to run it from
initramfs
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2603 [17:36:59] <jelly> the shell available in initramfs may not
be the same shell you're testing it under
2604 [17:37:09] <greycat> So when you say you run it
"normally", you mean you installed busybox and ran it with
busybox sh just like initramfs uses...?
2605 [17:37:12] <jelly> and it's definitely not bash
2606 [17:37:37] <unicron> normally i mean with bash. but i copied
bash to /bin and /sbin in the initramfs environment
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2608 [17:38:01] <Iridos> hm, but that seems to be a bug in
apt-listbugs… because it warned me about that bug, but
it's now installing 55.0.2883.75-1 from security.debian.org, in
which this is allegedly fixed
2609 [17:38:26] <unicron> i also copied all the binaries that the
script seems to depend on
2610 [17:38:50] <unicron> using the copy_exec function in my
/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/file
2611 [17:39:00] <jelly> unicron: eh... if ubuntu can have a 40MB
initramfs, why not glibc and bash
2612 [17:39:25] <unicron> copy_exec should also copy all the libs
needed
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2614 [17:39:43] <jelly> handy
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2620 [17:42:08] <greycat> clearly it's better to copy all
that bloat into your initfamfs than to use the busybox sh compatible
syntax in a script. so obvious.
2621 [17:42:31] <Iridos> ha yeah… that's what
abstraction is all about
2622 [17:42:48] <n4dir> :-)
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2624 [17:43:13] <unicron> what's wrong with bloating
initramfs?
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2626 [17:43:20] <jelly> it's probably still smaller than
xenial's default initramfs!
2627 [17:43:56] <unicron> i'm not the script author and i
don't want to edit it if possible
2628 [17:44:26] <unicron> the device is booting from an ssd and
has more than enough ram
2629 [17:44:37] <Iridos> nothing at all, I have gimp and
libreoffice in my initramfs
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2632 [17:45:02] <jelly> Iridos: why not networking and a small
sshd?
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2634 [17:45:43] <unicron> my goal here is to have the device phone
home over ssh using a cell modem in order to be fed a LUKS key to
decrypt the drive and finish booting
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2636 [17:46:01] <unicron> it works fine over eth0, but i'm
having trouble getting ppp0 to come up
2637 [17:46:20] <jelly> Iridos: see!
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2639 [17:46:26] <Iridos> jelly, didn't say that's not in
there! AND an nfsd and ldap… might need it at some time!
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2642 [17:47:13] <Iridos> jelly, well, actually that's
something I *did* consider and it was only lack of time as a reason
that I didn't do it…
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2644 [17:47:36] <jelly> so merely a pppd and ssh client, not sshd.
That's completely different.
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2646 [17:47:43] <Iridos> jelly, desktop at work is
encrypted… and I'd have to give out the password to that
to someone if it needs rebooting while I'm gone
2647 [17:48:06] <unicron> dropbear is the usual sshd for initramfs
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2649 [17:48:28] <jelly> Iridos: and it's also behind NAT so
you need to vpn out first to be able to ssh in
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2653 [17:49:32] <Iridos> jelly, nah, it's not
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2657 [17:50:07] <Iridos> but it's important that it has a vnc
server so I can use the gimp and libreoffice in it remotely
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2661 [17:50:22] <unborn> 0o
2662 [17:50:44] <unborn> gimp and libre office? ftw...
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2665 [17:51:40] <jelly> unicron: this thing?
replaced-url
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2669 [17:52:03] <Iridos> Poe's law sucks, eh?
2670 [17:52:15] <jelly> I can see how rewriting it for busybox
might look like a daunting task
2671 [17:52:18] <unicron> yeah jelly
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2674 [17:52:39] <unicron> but that's not even the issue, bash
4.4 is on initramfs
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2676 [17:53:15] <jelly> Iridos: your LUKS passphrase is "draw
a pretty pony"?
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2681 [17:53:37] <jelly> "no, I have to actually draw a
pony"
2682 [17:54:07] <greycat> With cutie marks?
2683 [17:54:20] <jelly> optional
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2686 [17:55:17] <jelly> if you don't draw the correct cutie
mark, you unlock the false OS for the police
2687 [17:55:26] <greycat> cutiehoneypot
2688 [17:55:34] <DoberMann> if your desktop is encrypted but you
want to be able to give its passphrase to your janitor there might
be an issue in your initial encryption need ;)
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2690 [17:56:07] * jelly goes back to #debian-offtopic
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2699 [17:58:58] <n4dir> unicron: did you read what DoberMann
wrote?
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2702 [17:59:27] <n4dir> i am trying to figure out the point of it,
but sure haven't got a clue yet
2703 [17:59:38] <n4dir> (the point of the encryption)
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2705 [18:00:06] <ausinch> Target5Aquired
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2709 [18:00:35] <ausinch> off we go -- - - whoops wrong screen
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2711 [18:02:32] <jelly> n4dir: most of it was just making fun
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2713 [18:03:20] <n4dir> i had that impression. But i still
don't understand why one wants to encrypt a device, if it is
decrypted all the time anyway. Might well be me, though
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2715 [18:04:17] <unicron> to prevent unauthorized users from
accessing the data
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2717 [18:04:27] <jelly> n4dir: so if it's stolen away, it
can't phone home again at boot and get decrypted automatically
oh wait
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2720 [18:05:23] <unicron> the device i'm working on will be
decrypted manually and remotely
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2722 [18:05:44] <n4dir> unicron: that part is easy. The question
is why one wants to decrypt it remotely.
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2725 [18:07:05] <unicron> i'm a pentester, this will be
deployed stealthily at client sites. it would cost too much time to
plug in a keyboard
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2727 [18:08:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1676
2728 [18:08:53] <unicron> at first i was trying to use TPM, but
apparently linux hates TPM
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2730 [18:09:11] <unicron> all the TPM code is old and unmaintained
and i couldn't get it to compile
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2732 [18:09:31] <greycat> yeeeah, I'm just gonna /ignore now
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2734 [18:10:02] <quack_> my mom said 38 bogomips is enough for
anyone. my friends all have over 8000 bogomips, what can I do do
convince her I need more bogomips?
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2736 [18:10:06] * n4dir busy testing how long it takes to plug in a
keyboard in the meantime ...
2737 [18:10:17] <jelly> unicron: also probably hw platform
dependent
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2739 [18:10:32] <unicron> n4dir: the other consideration is what
happens if it intermittently loses power?
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2742 [18:12:00] <unicron> it was the tpm-luks package and
TrustedGRUB that i was having issues with
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2744 [18:12:33] <jelly> and you probably can't afford mjg59?
:-)
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2747 [18:13:46] <unicron> i dunno, it's probably more cost
effective to use this preboot ssh connection
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2754 [18:15:54] <drii> hey
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2756 [18:16:22] <drii> I got some service which I connect to via
nc. How can I send data in hex to it?
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2759 [18:16:41] <jelly> drii: echo -n '\x00\x01' | nc ?
2760 [18:16:47] <greycat> printf '\x00\x01...'
2761 [18:16:55] <greycat> echo -n is deprecated
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2763 [18:17:01] <jelly> and I forgot either -e or $
2764 [18:17:26] <drii> jelly: ok, but what if service is waiting
for my data? Like I wanna send first part of hex, then wait for its
response and then 2nd part of hex (depending ot its response)?
2765 [18:17:27] <greycat> you probably meant echo -e, but
it's better to scrub those brain cells and use printf
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2767 [18:18:07] <drii> I probably chosed the wrong words (sorry
for my English!). All I want it to interact with that service
2768 [18:18:11] <jelly> drii: if you need a two way conversation
you need something better than netcat and a pipe
2769 [18:18:30] <drii> jelly: so what else would you propose?
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2772 [18:19:35] <jelly> pick your favorite language and your
favorite tcp socket abstraction library and write something, I guess
2773 [18:19:56] <greycat> If it's bash, you can use exec
3<>/dev/tcp/host/port and >&3 and <&3 but bash
is really not the best language for socket comms
2774 [18:20:05] <drii> ahh, thought that tool like that already
exists
2775 [18:20:17] <drii> that way I also have to parse response :x
2776 [18:20:18] <jelly> oh good heavens, what is that <>
monstrosity
2777 [18:20:33] <greycat> Bidirectional open.
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2779 [18:21:41] <greycat> $ exec 3<>/dev/tcp/replaced-url
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2781 [18:21:44] <greycat> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
2782 [18:21:58] <greycat> Not exactly the best language, as I
said.
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2784 [18:22:45] <drii> ok, thank you guys!
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2786 [18:23:00] * jamesl used IRC through bash with that once
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2789 [18:23:31] <greycat> !console jamesl
2790 [18:23:35] <pingfloyd> since when was echo deprecated?
2791 [18:23:49] <jelly> probably two decades ago
2792 [18:23:52] <greycat> Since BSD and SysV made different
versions of it.
2793 [18:24:00] <jamesl> if you could look through my
.bash_history, you'd call me a masochist
2794 [18:24:12] <jhutchins> Around the same time as nslookup.
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2796 [18:24:42] <jelly> drii: I almost suggested Twisted but their
"simple client" example starts with factories and half a
dozen abstractions
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2800 [18:24:47] <greycat> imadev:~$ builtin echo -n
2801 [18:24:47] <greycat> imadev:~$ /bin/echo -n
2802 [18:24:47] <greycat> -n
2803 [18:25:12] <jelly> what's that, Ultrix
2804 [18:25:17] <greycat> HP-UX
2805 [18:25:27] <greycat> Ultrix would likely have a BSD echo in
/bin
2806 [18:25:32] <jelly> who uses hp-ux!
2807 [18:26:46] <jamesl> YES. I got NFS shared home dirs working
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2825 [18:33:20] <xzork> hey, is there a difference between
firefox-esr and iceweasel?
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2837 [18:39:59] <jamesl> xzork: firefox-esr has Firefox branding,
iceweasel removes Firefox branding due to a trademark dispute
2838 [18:40:09] <jamesl> the dispute has since been resolved
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2848 [18:44:44] <jhutchins> jamesl: Did you end up using autofs?
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2850 [18:45:15] <jamesl> jhutchins: nope, I used pam_mount and
nfs-kernel-server
2851 [18:46:14] <jhutchins> jamesl: Yeah, you were already messing
with pam I guess.
2852 [18:46:35] <jhutchins> jamesl: I should look into that, we do
some shared home directories.
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2854 [18:47:02] <jamesl> I'd prefer a PAM-only solution, but
for centralized auth I'll have to dip into LDAP
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2857 [18:47:35] <fguide> jamesl: so what's the difference
between firefox and firefox-esr?
2858 [18:47:39] <greycat> PAM is just an interface that lets you
*select* an authentication system. It doesn't implement one.
2859 [18:47:59] <jamesl> fguide: esr is Extended Support Release.
Supported for longer than regular Firefox
2860 [18:48:11] <fguide> oh, got it, thanks
2861 [18:48:32] <jamesl> greycat: I was thinking there would be a
pam module that could do it without LDAP, but I'll probably
just use pam_ldap
2862 [18:48:34] <jamesl> thanks
2863 [18:48:51] <jamesl> fguide: or "Eric S Raymond
version"
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2865 [18:50:11] * greycat ponders learing LDAP then, once again, as
always. decides "nah".
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2875 [18:53:07] * jamesl rewrites the Linux kernel in assembly
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2877 [18:54:52] <jhutchins> jamesl: You might look at NIS.
It's pretty much deprecated in favor of ldap these days, but it
works.
2878 [18:55:01] <jamesl> okay
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2880 [18:55:06] <jamesl> thanks for the tip
2881 [18:55:10] <jhutchins> Beats winbind.
2882 [18:55:37] <greycat> If you use a mixture of Linux and legacy
commercial Unix systems, then you'll be using NIS. Like me.
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2893 [18:58:29] <jamesl> it's amusing to read ESR's The
Rules of Usability and notice that almost every common Linux program
breaks one of them
2894 [18:58:39] <jamesl>
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2897 [18:59:46] <n4dir> shooting in the dark: probably not when it
comes to the core programs (usually cli)
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2920 [19:10:50] <jamesl> n4dir: well pretty much every cli program
violates "everything should have an undo"
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2922 [19:11:31] <greycat> Very few programs have an undo.
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2924 [19:12:38] <n4dir> my point was not that all programs work
for all rules, only that as far gui-programs are concerned ... well,
they are weird
2925 [19:13:01] <n4dir> only glanced over it, hence i said :
shooting in the dark
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2929 [19:14:02] <greycat> I guess if you squint, most GUI program
windows have an [OK] and then some sort of close/cancel/X button, so
your "undo" would just be the "cancel".
Haven't read the paper, so not sure if that's what ESR had
in mind.
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2934 [19:14:42] <unborn> jamesl: how we can help you?
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2936 [19:15:10] <SRK143> hi i am trying to run apt-get install
mingw32
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2939 [19:15:32] <jamesl> n4dir: I do believe it references CLIs
too, since it gives vim as an example of a bad UI
2940 [19:15:32] <SRK143> but getting error message unable to E:
Unable to locate package mingw32
2941 [19:15:40] <greycat> SRK143: what version of Debian?
2942 [19:15:43] <SRK143> can anyone help
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2944 [19:16:07] <n4dir> jamesl: what? vim ? blasphemy !
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2947 [19:16:23] <greycat> jamesl: well, now I know not to read it.
2948 [19:16:47] <jamesl> heh. The reason was it provides no
onscreen indicator of if you're in edit mode or command mode
2949 [19:16:55] <greycat> That's simply a lie.
2950 [19:17:15] <JyZyXEL> where does debians chromium need
flashplayer plugin to be installed?
2951 [19:17:17] <greycat> The -INSERT- thing is perhaps the single
most visible change from vi to vim.
2952 [19:17:20] <jamesl> maybe it's vi, not vim that does. I
do remember using vi once and getting a little colon in the corner
2953 [19:17:36] <n4dir> jamesl: i probably meant something like
the coreutils (the basic cli commands. They seem to confirm to the
rules, more or less, at least are not against the rules by the same
amount the gui is. And mainly the last few years)
2954 [19:17:52] <unborn> greycat: jamesl is offtopic, Ive already
put him on ignore since he does not need help with anything related
to debian, you know cheap talk
2955 [19:18:20] <jamesl> sorry. Shall I go now? Or move to
#debian-offtopic?
2956 [19:18:27] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: currently it is broken, and the
scripts haven't been updated. What I found works (though I
don't like this soultion) is download the plugin directly from
adobe (they proide download links again) then copy the
libpepflashplugin.so and the manifest.json file to
/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree (which is the same place teh
scripts put it)
2957 [19:18:43] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: I couldn't find a better
place to copy the file manually. I wish there was a ncie place in
$HOME
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2960 [19:19:23] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: ok, i placed those files under
/opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/ which didn't work
2961 [19:19:30] <JyZyXEL> ill try the
/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree
2962 [19:20:52] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: I'm unsure where chromium
looks, but it almost seems the chromium in debian is specificly told
to look in that location. even /usr/lib/chromium/plugins (as per the
docs) didn't work for me.
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2964 [19:21:40] <JyZyXEL> im developing a very strong disliking
for chromium :P
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2970 [19:23:34] <unborn> JyZyXEL: why not use google chrome then?
no flash is need it.. the .deb file will work :)
2971 [19:24:24] <unborn> i loved chromium however it was so much
behind of everything that I left it.. as web dev - chromium is just
- crap.
2972 [19:24:35] <somiaj> I prefer chromium over google-chrome for
a few reasons, one being it actually is DSFG software, the other is
debian provides it. Just wait, there is a bug report in works to fix
the flash plugin script to get it from adobe again and not rip it
from google-crhome
2973 [19:25:01] <JyZyXEL> well i don't even have sound
support in the latest debian version of chromium :P
2974 [19:25:16] <SynrGy> i'm a web dev and chromium in debian
has kept up to date just fine
2975 [19:25:21] <unborn> exactly.. same reasons JyZyXEL
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2977 [19:25:34] <greycat> I don't even know what "sound
support" would entail outside of flash.
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2979 [19:25:42] <jelly> chrome puts stuff under
~/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash/ now
2980 [19:26:04] <JyZyXEL> greycat: the latest version can not
output sound via pulseaudio
2981 [19:26:18] <JyZyXEL> instead it falls back to using ALSA and
even that doesn't work properly
2982 [19:26:18] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: even choriume, I tried
~/.config/chromium/plugins and variations of that and still no luck
getting chromium to see pepper flash.
2983 [19:26:20] <unborn> SynrGy: would you mind to share with us
your portfolio? mean website...
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2985 [19:26:27] <greycat> JyZyXEL: but where would this
"sound" come from if not from Flash?
2986 [19:26:38] <JyZyXEL> greycat: HTML5 video player
2987 [19:26:45] <JyZyXEL> for example
2988 [19:26:47] <jelly> greycat: browsers have native
<video> now
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2990 [19:26:56] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: works just fine for me here on
latest version, though I use alsa not pulse
2991 [19:27:06] <unborn> jelly: he does not even use java..
pointless
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2994 [19:27:40] <greycat> The death of the "java applet"
was one of the most glorious times in the modern computing era.
2995 [19:27:41] <JyZyXEL> unborn: i haven't tried chrome
because frankly i don't trust their binary packages like i
trust debians
2996 [19:27:43] <jelly> unborn: there is no java in chrome or
chromium
2997 [19:27:53] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Flash seems to work fine for
me on a pretty default chromium install.
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2999 [19:28:11] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins: except debians chromium
doesn't come with flash..?
3000 [19:28:15] <jelly> jhutchins: but is it current
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3002 [19:28:27] <jhutchins> jelly: Yeah, 55.
3003 [19:28:38] <SynrGy> since when did "come with" ever
pose a problem?
3004 [19:28:41] <nkuttler> eh. just stop using sites the still
need flash..
3005 [19:28:48] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: chromium does not come with
flash
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3008 [19:29:06] <jhutchins> I have the mozilla flash plugin.
3009 [19:29:12] <unborn> same here JyZyXEL but after month of
checking, they do not violate it its just closed source - yeah I
dont like it as well but comparing time to deploy it and
troubleshooting it.. you know the answer
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3011 [19:29:27] <jelly> jhutchins: flash version?
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3014 [19:29:43] <jhutchins> Doesn't show any flash extension
in chromium though.
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3016 [19:29:49] <somiaj> the problem is the script to
automatically install it is broken
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3018 [19:30:02] <jhutchins> 3.11
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3020 [19:30:13] <jelly> you really really want to have the damn
plugin patched up, if you need to use it
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3022 [19:30:24] <JyZyXEL> unborn: im most concerned about
"Chrome" having some crazy default values that make the
browser spy on the user and transmit data to Google
3023 [19:30:25] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: oh nvm :p
3024 [19:30:33] <mframe> whats the simplest way of reverting to
nouveau from proprietary nvidia driver?
3025 [19:30:49] <jhutchins> ,v flashplayer-mozilla
3026 [19:30:50] <judd> Package: flashplayer-mozilla on amd64 --
wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo1;
jessie-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo2;
sid-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo2
3027 [19:30:53] <JyZyXEL> with debians chromium i feel that is
less likely to happen
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3029 [19:30:59] <jelly> mframe: uninstall and purge all the nvidia
stuff, reboot
3030 [19:31:04] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins: you are using mozillas flash
with chromium? :P
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3032 [19:31:21] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: I don't think I am, I
think it's using something internal.
3033 [19:31:27] <JyZyXEL> that is really strange, i thought it is
the opposite way
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3035 [19:31:55] <mframe> jelly: thanks, are
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau libdrm-nouveau2 the only packages it
needs to work?
3036 [19:32:00] <unborn> JyZyXEL: you will run this on open source
platform and you would be capable to confirm your
'opinion' with other opensource software.. do your testing
or then I am sorry.. you would have to go with some bugs along..
3037 [19:32:31] <jelly> mframe: no, there's lots of other
stuff, the whole of Xorg, libgl1-mesa-dri, kernel...
3038 [19:32:54] <greycat> From previous days, I believe JyZyXEL is
using at least some jessie-backports packages that are related to
this issue. So be aware of this.
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3040 [19:32:57] <unborn> chromium is perfect browser however its
well behind.. means not updated and properly worked (not about flash
you know all) = ie
3041 [19:33:01] <jhutchins> I don't have pepperflash.
3042 [19:33:09] <JyZyXEL> greycat: not anymore im not
3043 [19:33:17] <mframe> jelly: ok. can i scrap any package with
nvidia in the name though
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3047 [19:33:47] <greycat> unborn: either it's perfect, or
it's "not properly worked". Can't be both.
3048 [19:33:49] <SynrGy> ,v chromium
3049 [19:33:51] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1;
jessie: 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1; stretch: 53.0.2785.143-1;
jessie-security: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates:
55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; sid: 55.0.2883.75-2; experimental:
55.0.2883.75-2+exp2
3050 [19:34:04] <SynrGy> jessie-proposed-updates has 55
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3052 [19:34:24] <greycat> ii google-chrome-stable 55.0.2883.75-1
amd64 The web browser from Google
3053 [19:34:27] <SynrGy> yes, between point-releases, it can get
behind, but usually caught up next point release
3054 [19:34:33] <greycat> Just for comparison.
3055 [19:34:54] <JyZyXEL> isn't 55.0.2883.75-1 already old?
3056 [19:35:01] <jhutchins> I just participated in a bug report on
53 that seems to have prompted 55 to be pushed to security.
3057 [19:35:04] <JyZyXEL> compared to upstream
3058 [19:35:29] <SynrGy> JyZyXEL: greycat was just comparing with
upstream stable. why would you use anything else?
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3061 [19:35:43] <greycat> Are you one of these people who thinks a
software package is "old" if it's from like 3 weeks
ago?
3062 [19:35:50] <JyZyXEL> SynrGy: well if the debian variant does
not work, i have to consider alternative solutions
3063 [19:35:58] <unborn> greycat: i gave user the answer.. morally
i would not use it.. firefox does better job or google chrome it
self does better job.. im coder and you know me.. I would not advice
rubbish at all.. regards safe usage go with firefox and regards safe
execution of code - google chrome.. sorry to say that but - it just
works you know :)
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3065 [19:36:08] <SynrGy> JyZyXEL: why are you talking about
debian? upstream has the same version
3066 [19:36:16] <jelly> Setting up google-chrome-stable
(55.0.2883.87-1) ...
3067 [19:36:17] <JyZyXEL> i did try the latest chromium nigtly
build which worked
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3069 [19:36:34] <SynrGy> sure, if you live and die by nightlies,
fine ...
3070 [19:36:34] <greycat> oh no, I'm 0.0.0.12 behind
3071 [19:36:34] <brainspoil> hi LtL
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3076 [19:36:49] <SynrGy> i can't afford to lose time at work
to such things
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3078 [19:37:11] <greycat> obviously I need to RUN HOME IMMEDIATELY
and upgrade and close/restrat my browser or the software gremlins
will eat my soul
3079 [19:37:22] <SynrGy> :)
3080 [19:37:47] <jhutchins> 55.0.2883 was built 12/9.
3081 [19:37:55] <jelly> greycat: or just close it
3082 [19:38:17] <jhutchins> Actually the linux build was 12/12
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3084 [19:38:31] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: i copied the flash files under
/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree but about:flash still gives me:
Flash pluginNot installed
3085 [19:38:53] <johnkeates> Don't do that, just install the
flash plugin from the repo
3086 [19:39:04] <somiaj> jelly: I think
~/.config/chromium/PepperFlash is just a cache dir for flash but not
where to put the plugins, sof ar the only place I found that works
is /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree
3087 [19:39:11] <JyZyXEL> johnkeates: which one?
3088 [19:39:31] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: did you completely restart
chroium (make sure you kill all isntances) after copying the file
there? All I know it works for me in both jessie and stretch with
chromium 55.xxx
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3090 [19:39:48] <somiaj> johnkeates: the scripts in the repo are
borken and have been broken for a while.
3091 [19:40:07] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: yeah i made sure it killed
properly
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3096 [19:41:04] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: well it works here on both my
work projduction machine and my testing machines. The only part I
had trouble with was figuring out I had to use
/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree
3097 [19:41:21] <JyZyXEL> jessie?
3098 [19:41:22] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: I don't like this solution,
but I can't figure out where in $HOME chromium even looks for
plugins...
3099 [19:41:25] <johnkeates> pepperflashplugin-nonfree
3100 [19:41:28] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: yes on both jessie at work and
stretch
3101 [19:41:36] <somiaj> johnkeates: that script is broken.
3102 [19:41:43] <johnkeates> you can use that script to find the
target directory
3103 [19:41:43] <JyZyXEL> johnkeates: that package is broken
3104 [19:41:48] <johnkeates> that's what i did
3105 [19:41:57] <johnkeates> just extract the pkg
3106 [19:42:03] <somiaj> johnkeates:
replaced-url
3107 [19:42:04] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3110 [19:42:23] <johnkeates> downloading isn't hard, placing
it in the right spot and letting chrome know about it is hard
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3112 [19:42:26] <somiaj> johnkeates: that package does not contain
any plugin. It contains scripts that extract it from google-chrome.
It is better now to get the plugin directly from adobe, then copy it
into place.
3113 [19:42:28] <johnkeates> but the script solves that fine
3114 [19:42:30] <JyZyXEL> is there a service that allows fast
access to the source code of pepperflashplugin-nonfree?
3115 [19:42:38] <JyZyXEL> like is there a git repo for it?
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3117 [19:42:50] <somiaj> anyways the place is
/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree which has already been stated.
3118 [19:42:52] <unborn> JyZyXEL: github or private git :)
3119 [19:43:09] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: of course not, flash is closed
source, adobe doesn't release source code.
3120 [19:43:16] <somiaj> (at least none I have seen)
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3122 [19:43:20] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: its a script
3123 [19:43:34] <johnkeates> chromium doesn't look there by
defalt
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3125 [19:43:55] <unborn> oh regards flash - perhaps chrome git
repos otherwise no luck out there.
3126 [19:43:58] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: you can get all soruce packages
form debian, apt-get source or just look at the script on your
system.
3127 [19:44:01] <JyZyXEL> yeah, i gotta confirm this myself by
looking at the source
3128 [19:44:09] <johnkeates> edit:
/etc/chromium.d/pepperflashplugin-nonfree
3129 [19:44:16] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: why not just use
replaced-url
3130 [19:44:25] <johnkeates> and put in
flashso="/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so"
3131 [19:44:33] <johnkeates> you need more lines to make the
version etc. show up
3132 [19:44:45] <johnkeates> but chromium doesn't know where
shared objects live
3133 [19:44:50] <johnkeates> you need to let it know manually
3134 [19:45:28] <somiaj> johnkeates: ahh so that script changes
where chromium looks for plugins?
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3136 [19:45:36] <johnkeates> no, it adds a .d script
3137 [19:45:44] <johnkeates> well, not even a script :D
3138 [19:45:48] <johnkeates> it is bash-parsed it seems
3139 [19:46:02] <johnkeates> just dpkg -x that non free pkg
3140 [19:46:09] <johnkeates> in a new dir that is, it makes a mess
3141 [19:46:16] <JyZyXEL>
replaced-url
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3143 [19:46:17] <johnkeates> and you'll get all the stuff you
need :)
3144 [19:46:17] <greycat> I'm so glad I don't have to
pay any attention at all to what johnkeates is spewing because
it's all nonsense.
3145 [19:46:19] <JyZyXEL> thats the script
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3149 [19:46:46] <johnkeates> greycat: good thing that you are
telling everyone the right things then, imagine nobody getting help
here...
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3151 [19:47:26] <SuperFunCat> Shots fired
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3156 [19:48:13] <johnkeates> as long as you get the .so from a
valid source, you can make it work as the deb has all the rest of
the information
3157 [19:48:32] <JyZyXEL> blah, its going to take some serious
effort to read and understand this script
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3160 [19:48:58] <johnkeates> most of it is just to help with
ripping the .so from a source and putting it in the right place
3161 [19:49:18] <johnkeates> it sets up apt, gets chrome from
google, gets pepperflash out of that
3162 [19:49:28] <johnkeates> but you can skip that if you just
have the .so for pepperflash already
3163 [19:49:31] <JyZyXEL> i got a script that gets the .so from
adobe
3164 [19:49:45] <johnkeates> well, just get the .so manually
3165 [19:49:50] <johnkeates> and copy it to the right spot
3166 [19:49:53] <JyZyXEL> $LOUD_DL "replaced-url
3167 [19:50:06] <johnkeates> and then create
etc/chromium.d/pepperflashplugin-nonfree
3168 [19:50:12] <johnkeates> with the path to the so
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3170 [19:50:15] <JyZyXEL> yup, got taht going
3171 [19:50:31] <JyZyXEL> didn't seem to help though
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3173 [19:50:47] <greycat> Did the bug report really not have a
workaround in it?
3174 [19:50:47] <johnkeates> does your chrome look at chromium.d?
3175 [19:51:07] <JyZyXEL> im not sure how to make sure that it
does
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3177 [19:51:16] <johnkeates> you could strace it
3178 [19:51:16] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: as far as I can tell, all the
scrpt does is what I have already told you. It copies
libpepflashplugin.so and manifest.json to
/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree -- It woks here if you dot hat
normially.
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3183 [19:51:38] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: what chmod/chown?
3184 [19:51:43] <greycat> root, duh
3185 [19:51:51] <JyZyXEL> had to make sure
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3187 [19:51:54] <johnkeates> that's what the script does, but
you need /etc/chromium.d/ as well according to the package
3188 [19:52:12] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: all that is doing is changing
the permissions. If you just cp as root you get the right
permssions.
3189 [19:52:13] <greycat> But the package is broken, so why would
you trust that?
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3192 [19:52:31] <johnkeates> the package is broken due to the .so
download, not due to mis-configuring chrome
3193 [19:52:43] <somiaj> johnkeates: ahh thanks, I should have
looked there
3194 [19:52:44] <_nymous_> hey folks, i'm on jessie trying to
rebuild strongswan package with additional plugins
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3196 [19:53:00] <JyZyXEL> maybe if i install the package it will
make this work
3197 [19:53:02] <_nymous_> but fail with this
replaced-url
3198 [19:53:14] <johnkeates> this is what the file contains:
replaced-url
3199 [19:53:22] <somiaj> JyZyXEL:
replaced-url
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3201 [19:53:36] <_nymous_> i'm rebuilding jessie's
package, even unmodified fails with this messages
3202 [19:53:38] <johnkeates> the important part is
CHROMIUM_FLAGS="$CHROMIUM_FLAGS --ppapi-flash-path=$flashso
--ppapi-flash-version=$flashversion" since that loads the .so
into chrome on startup
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3204 [19:53:42] <_nymous_> did i missed something?
3205 [19:53:44] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: yea that is what I was missing,
there is a file in /etc/chromium.d/ that tells chroimum where to
look for the plugin.
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3207 [19:54:24] <somiaj> hence it would be better to just have a
default place chromium looks for plugins.
3208 [19:54:31] <jelly> _nymous_: weird, do you have all the build
dependencies installed?
3209 [19:54:33] <johnkeates> and then /usr/bin/chromium is a
script that also takes care of loading /etc/chromium.d/*
3210 [19:54:35] <TheChubu> hi! i have a question. is there a
document/link that explains what Debian installer does?
3211 [19:54:55] <_nymous_> jelly: sure, openssl and libssl-dev too
3212 [19:54:57] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: even with those it doesn't
work
3213 [19:54:57] <jelly> _nymous_: which additional plugins are you
enabling?
3214 [19:55:06] <_nymous_> it actually builds, just fail tests
3215 [19:55:18] <_nymous_> i cannot build even unmodified package
3216 [19:55:35] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: did you copy the file to
/etc/chromium.d/ maybe call it pepperflashplugin-nonfree
3217 [19:55:40] <_nymous_> oh, i'm trying to add vici and
swanctl
3218 [19:56:00] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: ok when i directly enter those
arguments to chromium, then it works
3219 [19:56:06] <JyZyXEL> chromium --temp-profile
--ppapi-flash-path=$flashso --ppapi-flash-version=$flashversion
3220 [19:56:08] <JyZyXEL> that worked
3221 [19:56:23] <johnkeates> is your /usr/bin/chromium a script or
a binary
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3223 [19:56:39] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: if you aren't using the
debian package, what we say may not be valid.
3224 [19:56:40] <johnkeates> it's supposed to be a script to
work with /etc/chromium.d/
3225 [19:56:43] <JACK-HAMMER> debian debian debian debian debian
debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian
3226 [19:56:47] <JACK-HAMMER> debian debian debian debian debian
debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian
debian debian debian debian debian debian debian
3227 [19:56:50] <JACK-HAMMER> debian debian debian debian debian
debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian
3228 [19:56:52] <JACK-HAMMER> debian debian debian debian debian
debian debian debian debian
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3233 [19:56:55] <JyZyXEL> johnkeates: it is the debian wrapper
3234 [19:56:57] <johnkeates> okay
3235 [19:57:02] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: it is the debian package
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3237 [19:57:14] <johnkeates> that means it's working alright
but the wrapper fails on that file because of wrong privs maybe
3238 [19:57:19] <JyZyXEL> chromium 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u
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3240 [19:57:39] <JACK-HAMMER> debian debian debian debian debian
debian debian debian debian
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3244 [19:57:47] <JyZyXEL> though im just gonna downgrade to v53
because it has working sound support
3245 [19:57:51] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: anways, I now see why chromium
looks in a paticular spot for the plugin. I still dont' like
this solution, but it is what works here. Seems chromium
doens't just look for plugins in a default dir and needs to be
told where to look.
3246 [19:57:56] <johnkeates> anyway, at least you know you're
on the right track and all you need to do is fix the chromium.d
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3248 [19:58:14] <JyZyXEL> johnkeates: i have it set exactly like
you said
3249 [19:58:18] <johnkeates> greycat: still think im spewing
nonsense? ;-)
3250 [19:58:29] <JyZyXEL> % cat
/etc/chromium.d/pepperflashplugin-nonfree
3251 [19:58:31] <JyZyXEL>
flashso="/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so"
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3253 [19:58:48] <JyZyXEL>
/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit
LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked,
BuildID[sha1]=c525019eaafcfc4b521239d0fec6bb3cb7f28dc2, stripped
3254 [19:58:48] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: that is just one line, use the
link I give, you need all three lines.
3255 [19:58:50] <johnkeates> JyZyXEL: well, I wish I had more time
to help, but you can probably debug it from here as you're no
longer dealing with the lack of .so loading
3256 [19:58:59] <johnkeates> you need all 3 lines indeed
3257 [19:59:00] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: oh!
3258 [19:59:03] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: also don't paste in the
channel, use paste.debian.net
3259 [19:59:05] <johnkeates> use exactly this:
replaced-url
3260 [19:59:10] <johnkeates> nothing more, nothing less
3261 [19:59:13] <greycat> johnkeates: I don't know anything
about this chromium/flashpepper nonsense at all, but I would
definitely start by trying somiaj's one-line explanation with
actual file and directory names in it.
3262 [19:59:23] <somiaj> johnkeates: it did take you quite a while
to add something new to the problem, but thanks for pointing out the
extra files installed in /etc/chromium.d/
3263 [19:59:33] <johnkeates> greycat: i was just teasing you a bit
;-)
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3265 [19:59:58] <JyZyXEL> johnkeates: awesome, its working now!
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3267 [20:00:14] <johnkeates> great! thank somiaj and the others, I
was just driving by
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3269 [20:00:26] <JyZyXEL> this is the script i used to get the
plugin itself:
replaced-url
3270 [20:00:30] <johnkeates> recovering a pgsql db makes me a bit
type-happy on IRC
3271 [20:00:45] <johnkeates> happy flashing ;-)
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3273 [20:00:56] <JyZyXEL> now i just gotta remember to manually
keep it current... :D
3274 [20:01:05] <JyZyXEL> what a security fail :p
3275 [20:01:13] <JyZyXEL> (obviously im not gonna remember)
3276 [20:01:29] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: you still have to do that with
the script from debian. One day debian will update the script.
3277 [20:01:33] <johnkeates> if you manage to fix the
script/package, you can use the built in updater
3278 [20:01:51] <JyZyXEL> i think i could simply use the script i
just posted
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3280 [20:01:58] <somiaj> johnkeates: it still isn't run
automatically with apt-get ugprades, last I saw you had to manually
run it the script to update the plugin.
3281 [20:02:02] <TheChubu> no one knows a reference on what debian
installer does?
3282 [20:02:02] <JyZyXEL> it should just unpack the new version on
top of the old one
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3284 [20:02:18] <johnkeates> do this: mkdir deb_unpack; wget
replaced-url
3285 [20:02:21] <johnkeates> and you'l have all the fiels
3286 [20:02:22] <greycat> TheChubu: what do you want to hear
beyond "It installs Debian"?
3287 [20:02:28] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: yeah, i had some old version as
well because i had never re-run the installer
3288 [20:02:46] <JyZyXEL> its pretty crazy security wise
3289 [20:02:50] <somiaj> TheChubu:
replaced-url
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3291 [20:03:09] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: im starting to see the benefits
of simply using the official chrome .deb... :P
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3293 [20:03:21] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: that is a problem with non-free
stuff, the script is basically just a 'hack' since debian
can't legally distribute it.
3294 [20:03:37] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: but debian can distribute a way
for you to download the plugin.
3295 [20:03:54] <TheChubu> greycat: what does it copies where.
what are the steps. more specifically, i want to hijack home, var
and tmp directories, move them and make symlinks to them, without
bricking the install prefferably. i figured i could do it at some
step during the install.
3296 [20:04:12] <johnkeates> TheChubu: you are doing it wrong, use
preseeding instead
3297 [20:04:27] * johnkeates is somewhat rude, yet not totally wrong
3298 [20:04:45] <somiaj> TheChubu: use debootstrap and manually
install things. But why do you want to make /home, /var and /tmp
links?
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3301 [20:05:03] <johnkeates> you can use a late preseed script to
modify an install, and you can use the partitioner setup to make
sure you get the layout you want
3302 [20:05:20] <TheChubu> i want them in another partition. the 3
in the same partition.
3303 [20:05:27] <johnkeates> use preseed
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3305 [20:05:43] <somiaj> TheChubu: that is a strange special
setup. I personally would jsut modify after the install.
3306 [20:05:50] <johnkeates>
replaced-url
3307 [20:06:07] <johnkeates> you can add that file to install
media or a URL to the kernel command line of the installer
3308 [20:06:10] <greycat> If it's just one machine, I agree
with somiaj.
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3310 [20:06:20] <johnkeates> i also agree with greycat
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3313 [20:06:31] <johnkeates> and by proxy with somiaj
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3315 [20:06:35] <TheChubu> i tried that but i bricked the install.
copied without copying permissions. install takes a while so i
wanted to make sure to know what to do first.
3316 [20:06:51] <TheChubu> copy with permissions then ln should
suffice right?
3317 [20:06:53] <johnkeates> you can do what you want from the
installer menu
3318 [20:06:55] <somiaj> TheChubu: use cp -a to ensure permissions
and links get coppied correctly.
3319 [20:07:04] <greycat> (or rsync)
3320 [20:07:14] <somiaj> TheChubu: or just use mv, mv /var
/my/location/var, mv /home/ /my/location/home, then make the links
3321 [20:07:15] <johnkeates> just setup the partitions and mount
points, and the installer will put it all in the right spot
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3323 [20:07:32] <ShaRose> Hey, quick question, has anybody here
ever installed debian over intel AMT? I find that when it tries to
boot the installer it just spams that it gets errors on a specific
device.
3324 [20:07:36] <TheChubu> johnkeates: i tried to setup multiple
mount points in the same partition but it didnt work : /
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3326 [20:07:49] <johnkeates> ah, yes, bind mounts aren't
supported form the installer
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3328 [20:08:05] <TheChubu> you can bind to a single folder, but
thats all.
3329 [20:08:06] <ShaRose>
replaced-url
3330 [20:08:09] <johnkeates> ShaRose: worked fine here, what AMT
version? I only got it to work on 8 and up
3331 [20:08:32] <ShaRose> 7
3332 [20:08:40] <johnkeates> ShaRose: also, don't install
from complete IDE-R media, NFS or HTTP or PXE works better
3333 [20:08:44] <somiaj> TheChubu: the more standard approach is
to use a seperate partition for /home and /var and then use say
tmpfs for /tmp, but yoursetup just requires manuall intervention.
Just make sure you copy permisions (or move things) correctly next
time.
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3335 [20:09:03] <TheChubu> mv without extra params should do the
trick then?
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3337 [20:09:11] <johnkeates> also, most of the time you have
AMT/remote block device errors, your network link is b0rked or the
client just stinks (which is the case for AMT)
3338 [20:09:13] <somiaj> TheChubu: correct, mv perserves
permssions
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3340 [20:09:20] <TheChubu> sweet
3341 [20:09:24] <TheChubu> thanks a lot.
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3343 [20:09:33] <somiaj> TheChubu: you may also want to do this
from a live system and not the running system after the isntall
3344 [20:09:33] <johnkeates> ShaRose: you are better off using
netboot.xyz and ipxe
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3346 [20:09:53] <johnkeates> see
replaced-url
3347 [20:10:02] <johnkeates> you can load ipxe via AMT with no
problems
3348 [20:10:13] <ShaRose> never used that, will give it a shot
3349 [20:10:13] <TheChubu> yes i got partedmagic prepared for
that. although i could use debian installer itself i guess. i think
it has a console with busybox...
3350 [20:10:13] <ShaRose> thanks
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3352 [20:10:55] <somiaj> TheChubu: after the mounts are all set up
inside of /target during the installer you could hit alt-f2 and
manually interveen then
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3355 [20:11:32] <TheChubu> somiaj: ah i read something like that
but i couldnt find the "/target" folder, where i could
find it? or after which step specifically?
3356 [20:11:36] <greycat> I still think it'd be easiest to do
the base install, boot into single user mode, and then manipulate
everything by hand.
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3358 [20:11:48] <somiaj> TheChubu: it is just /target (note that
gives you the full path)
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3360 [20:12:05] <TheChubu> i guess it exists after the partition
step
3361 [20:12:19] <somiaj> and yes, just do it after the install is
complete is easier, just be careful you don't have things
running in /var /tmp when you move things around hence my suggestion
of a live image or greycat single user mode
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3363 [20:13:32] <TheChubu> thanks, i'll do just that
3364 [20:14:53] <somiaj> TheChubu: also /var is really the main
problematic directroy there. You could just just make /var a
partition in the installer and then moving /home and /tmp inside of
/var/mystuff as links afterwards will be less problematic
3365 [20:15:22] <somiaj> though this boils down to orginiziation
and where to find things and doing unstandard stuff just complicates
many things
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3367 [20:15:26] <TheChubu> do you think it could cause issues even
if i move it from a live boot?
3368 [20:15:30] <greycat> I assumed he wanted /foo/tmp /foo/var
/foo/home to be siblings
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3370 [20:15:42] <TheChubu> yeah something like that
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3372 [20:15:49] <somiaj> greycat: yea that was my thought too, I
was just giving an alternative suggestion that doens't involve
moving /var
3373 [20:16:16] <TheChubu> i just want to maintain a bunch of
stuff outside an SSD.
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3375 [20:16:47] <somiaj> TheChubu: the standard approach would be
lvm and indivudial partitions for each, the lvm just gives you
abiltiy to resize things later if needed
3376 [20:16:53] <greycat> If you simply made THREE partitions and
mounted one as /tmp, one as /var, one as /home then everything would
be super easy and straightforward.
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3378 [20:17:20] <greycat> It's this "make them symlinks
to sibling dirs in one giant partition" thing that's not
standard, and therefore needs to be done manually.
3379 [20:17:33] <TheChubu> i know, i just dont want to handle the
resizing. i already got the HDD partitioned up.
3380 [20:17:58] <TheChubu> i have no problem doing it manually.
just wanted to make sure first i knew the steps.
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3382 [20:18:03] <somiaj> TheChubu: what do you use this machine
for?
3383 [20:18:23] <TheChubu> every day stuff. coding, games,
browsing, etc.
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3389 [20:19:19] <hektabyte> I installed bumblebee and I'm
getting better performance with integrated Intel's GPU then
with Nvidia's 850M. *facepalms*
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3392 [20:20:27] <somiaj> TheChubu: anyways, hopefully you found a
solution. I personally find it best to not try to redesign things,
there are reasons things are setup as partitions and not links. But
for your use /tmp could really live in tmpfs, and I would just put a
few gigs aside and keep var seperate. But that is just my opion
(partly because I had a log file blow up crentally filling /var)
3393 [20:20:31] <ompaul> hektabyte: what version of debian
3394 [20:21:12] <TheChubu> whats tmpfs?
3395 [20:21:15] <TheChubu> ramdisk?
3396 [20:21:16] <hektabyte> ompaul: 8.6 x86-64
3397 [20:21:30] <greycat> TheChubu: yes
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3399 [20:21:55] <TheChubu> sounds reasonable. how do i setup
tmpfs? i can do it from the installer?
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3402 [20:22:14] <ompaul> hektabyte: interesting.
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3404 [20:22:48] <hektabyte> ompaul: Indeed. Maybe I messed
something up, or it's because of the drivers.
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3407 [20:23:01] <somiaj> TheChubu: for the most part the bigest
stuff in /var is all the .deb's apt downloads, so a few gigs
should be fine, provided you apt-get clean regurally. (there are
other big things that live there, but I didn't see anythign in
your list that poped out)
3408 [20:24:20] <jelly> TheChubu: ram+swapdisk
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3410 [20:24:38] <somiaj> TheChubu: with systemd should just need
'systemctl enable tmp.mount'
3411 [20:24:46] <somiaj> TheChubu: this can happen any time after
the install
3412 [20:24:49] * jhutchins found something in flash that doesn't
work with chromium 55: pandora.
3413 [20:25:02] <TheChubu> hm. i'll try mv and see if it
works out. i'll leave tmpfs for later. thanks for the help! cya
3414 [20:25:19] <jelly> so basically ram disk except if
there's very very very little ram free
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3422 [20:27:18] <jhutchins> Yet it works in firefox, so the
mozilla plugin is not what chromium's using.
3423 [20:28:04] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: So you got flash working in
chromium 55?
3424 [20:28:29] <NDyukov> please tell me how to install the
package only for the short name? for example, I know that I need the
packages:glibc,make,binutils,gcc,libaio. What is their full name?
3425 [20:28:33] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins: yeah got flash working but
not sound :)
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3427 [20:28:45] <JyZyXEL> so i have to use the older version
3428 [20:28:56] <somiaj> jhutchins: the version of flash you
reported was very strange. papi flash is in the 20s for the
versions, current is 24.0.0.186
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3430 [20:29:03] <greycat> NDyukov: apt-get install build-essential
for the first 4.
3431 [20:29:18] <JyZyXEL> i don't feel like trying to
backport the latest upstream chromium to jessie
3432 [20:29:27] <greycat> Looks like you want libaio-dev for the
last one.
3433 [20:29:32] <JyZyXEL> though it might be pretty easy because
jessie is almost there anyways
3434 [20:29:52] <jhutchins> NDyukov: There's a meta package
named build-essential that will install ALL of the possible build
tools. Kitchen sink included.
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3436 [20:30:19] <greycat> It's the core set of dev tools (C
compiler, make, etc.). Not everything.
3437 [20:30:22] <jhutchins> somiaj: flashplayer-mozilla
3:11.2.202.644-dmo2
3438 [20:30:52] <jhutchins> somiaj: Is that from dmm?
3439 [20:30:56] <somiaj> jhutchins: that is a very outdated flash
player and also napi which chromium doesn't support. YOu might
be using somethign different for flash in chromium
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3443 [20:31:24] <jhutchins> ,v flashplayer-mozilla
3444 [20:31:25] <judd> Package: flashplayer-mozilla on amd64 --
wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo1;
jessie-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo2;
sid-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo2
3445 [20:31:44] <jhutchins> ... or maybe update my sources list.
3446 [20:31:55] <greycat> Those all say -multimedia, so they are
not real.
3447 [20:31:55] <somiaj> jhutchins: and yes that isn't an
offical debian package. I personally suggest using the curret papi
flash and then using the wrapper for moizlla (though I have heard
there is a new napi flash plugin now being made by adobe, they are
supporting linus more again)
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3449 [20:32:37] <somiaj> jhutchins: the debian packages are
flashplugin-nonfree for napi flash and pepperflashplugin-nonfree for
pepperflash. Problem is the pepperflash one is broken and you have
to manually copy the .so from adobe into place.
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3453 [20:33:47] <somiaj> jhutchins: persoanlly I think getting
directly from upstream is best right now as the scripts I mentioned
are outdated and you'll get the best security running adobes
current release.
3454 [20:33:52] <JyZyXEL> it would be simple to modify the script
that i used to add those lines automatically
3455 [20:34:24] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: have to be careful about
portability. The script needs to be updated so it downloads from
adobe directly, I woudl just wait on that.
3456 [20:34:40] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: but it does that
3457 [20:34:40] <NDyukov> jhutchins: is not available
3458 [20:35:08] <greycat> NDyukov: apt-get install build-essential
libaio-dev
3459 [20:35:23] <joobus> anyone know why chromium is version 53 on
stretch but version 55 on jesse?!
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3461 [20:35:38] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: the pepperflash script downloads
a google-chrome .deb and extracts the plugin from that. REcentally
(few months ago) adobe started distributing pepper flash and npapi
flash for firefox again. google-chrome stoped wrapping it in their
package the same and we can no longer extract from google-crhome.
3462 [20:35:38] <greycat> Because stretch does not get security
updates.
3463 [20:35:55] <jhutchins> ,v build-essential
3464 [20:35:55] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: i said the script that _i used_
3465 [20:35:55] <judd> Package: build-essential on amd64 --
wheezy: 11.5; jessie: 11.7; sid: 12.2; stretch: 12.2
3466 [20:36:01] <JyZyXEL> i pasted it earlier
3467 [20:36:09] <somiaj> joobus: install the version from sid, or
wait the 10+ days for the package to clear sid and migrate normally.
3468 [20:36:09] <jhutchins> NDyukov: Yes, it's available.
3469 [20:36:22] <joobus> thanks guys
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3473 [20:36:59] <maziar> i can not receive any email, which log
should i check ?
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3479 [20:38:33] <jhutchins> maziar: Depends. What are you using to
receive it?
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3481 [20:38:36] <NDyukov> jhutchins: could not find package
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3483 [20:38:42] <maziar> jhutchins postfix
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3485 [20:39:21] <ompaul> jhutchins: what evil call are the
pandoranens using in flash me wonders that has been not present in
chrome
3486 [20:39:35] <jhutchins> maziar: Did it stop working or have
you never had it working?
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3489 [20:39:52] <jscoder> I'm trying to sync via USB with
jpilot and nothing happens, but doing "pilot-xfer -l -p
usb:" works as root but not as user is there maybe a group I
would need to be a member of?
3490 [20:40:05] <maziar> jhutchins no its new eamil server
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3492 [20:40:33] <ompaul> maziar: where are you checking on the box
itself remotely some extra data would be good
3493 [20:41:08] <jhutchins> maziar: Did you configure it?
3494 [20:41:19] <jhutchins> maziar: Is port 25 open to the world?
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3496 [20:41:40] <jhutchins> maziar: Are you behind a firewal or
NAT router?
3497 [20:41:50] <maziar> ompaul i have roundcube, i can send email
to gmail, but i can not receive email, I followed this tutorial :
replaced-url
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3500 [20:42:25] <maziar> jhutchins tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:*
LISTEN 18092/master
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3502 [20:42:40] <maziar> jhutchins iconfigure it
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3506 [20:43:51] <somiaj> jhutchins: hmm, seems flashplugin-nonfree
correctly installs the npapi version for firefox, so provided you
have that package and run update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
you'll get the current version for firefox.
3507 [20:44:01] <somiaj> jhutchins: to check version use
about:plugins in your browser.
3508 [20:44:13] <jhutchins> It should be logging to
/var/log/mail.log I think. I don't have a postfix system handy
to check. Definitely something under /var/log/
3509 [20:44:46] <jhutchins> somiaj: THanks, I just updated the dmo
version. Required an explicit command
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3511 [20:45:19] <jhutchins> ,v mplayer
3512 [20:45:20] <judd> Package: mplayer on amd64 -- wheezy:
2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security:
2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u2; stretch: 2:1.3.0-5; sid:
2:1.3.0-6; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1;
jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20150226+svn37375-dmo5+deb8u3;
sid-multimedia: 4:1.3.0~20161101.svn37904-dmo2
3513 [20:45:51] <jhutchins> somiaj: Does debian now block
automatic upgrades from DMM? If so, how?
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3517 [20:46:30] <maziar> jhutchins I'am configure it
3518 [20:46:37] <centrx> Use mpv instead of mplayer/mplayer2 if
you're running stable (best fork in jessie)
3519 [20:47:57] <jhutchins> How do I see what caused a package to
auto-install?
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3522 [20:48:46] <jhutchins> I appear to have version
4:1.3.0~20161125.svn37905-dmo1~bpo8+2
3523 [20:49:11] <greycat> dmo and bpo ...? *headscratch*
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3525 [20:49:31] <jhutchins> Ah, judd doesn't check the
backports.
3526 [20:49:42] <greycat> yes it does
3527 [20:49:47] <centrx> you may have to purge the drive and
reinstall
3528 [20:49:56] <jhutchins> multimedia-backports?
3529 [20:50:02] <centrx> dmo+bpo = virus
3530 [20:50:09] <jscoder> I'm unable to get a list of files
via USB from my palm as user but it works as root, is there a group
that gives access to USB device nodes or something?
3531 [20:50:10] <jhutchins> centrx: You are so full of it.
3532 [20:50:16] <greycat> ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
3533 [20:50:17] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64
-- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1;
jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports:
2:2.99.917+git20161105-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
2:2.99.917+git20161105-1+b1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1
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3535 [20:50:37] <greycat> -multimedia does not exist as far as I
am concerned, so I would just ignore anything that mentions it
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3540 [20:51:23] <jhutchins> greycat: Your loss. I've been a
fan of his since his packages were necessary to actually do
multimedia in Debian. He made it possible for a lot of people to run
Debian instead of moving to another distro.
3541 [20:51:28] <maziar> jhutchins i am not behind the firewall or
nat
3542 [20:51:38] <greycat> !mmo
3543 [20:51:43] <greycat> !multimedia
3544 [20:51:44] <dpkg> Debian's main repository has lots of
great multimedia packages with more included in each release. Ask me
about <search> to find them and <rfp> if something is
not yet packaged. The old <deb-multimedia.org> has not been a
"must have" repo for multimedia support for several
releases; it now mostly contains poor quality packages or current
Debian packages recompiled incompatible with other packages in
Debian.
3545 [20:52:05] <g00se1> Is there a good way of seeing what
'new' tcp connections are being made? Was thinking somehow
of running netstat with watch but it is not producing a new log file
at the interval i gave
3546 [20:52:09] <jhutchins> greycat: Yeah, I know its official to
hate on him. It's FUD. His packages are fine.
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3548 [20:52:50] <jhutchins> THe ONLY issue with DMM packages is
that he doesn't follow the versioning, or didn't at one
point, so the offical position is to shun him.
3549 [20:53:09] <jhutchins> I think it's mostly because he
made the mainstream packagers look bad by doing what the
couldn't or wouldn't.
3550 [20:53:33] <jhutchins> In any case, his packages are good
enough that judd indexes them (just not his backports).
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3562 [20:59:15] <somiaj> jhutchins: it shoulnd't. I
haven't used dmm, I just know it is not recommended to use.
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3566 [20:59:46] <somiaj> jhutchins: note dmm probably can't
distrubute the actually plugin eitehr and are just scripts
downloading from adobe, hence why you have to run an extra command
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3573 [21:02:07] <jhutchins> somiaj: I've used the official
script in the past, familiar with how it works.
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3576 [21:02:30] <jhutchins> somiaj: the bdo package appears to
install like a normal package, so meybe he's breaking the
rules.
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3578 [21:03:08] <jhutchins> somiaj: He has distributed packages in
the past that Debian "can't", I think his
jurisdiction may be less restrictive.
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3582 [21:03:49] <somiaj> jhutchins: correct, it could be he is
either with or without adobe's premission just distributing
libflashplugin.so as opposed to giving a script to get it yourself.
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3585 [21:04:54] <jhutchins> At one point I was doing a lot of
transcoding to and from various devices and needed some of the
codecs he made available.
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3600 [21:12:05] <sediment_testing> Anyone tested OmegaT on a
debian system?
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3605 [21:14:21] <unicron> so... in the initramfs environment, when
i do this: lsusb -v -d 1410:7031 | sed -e "s/ */ /g" |
grep -i "transfer type interrupt" ...then i get 2 lines.
when the sakis3g script does the same thing, it gets nothing.
that's where it's currently breaking... any tips on how to
troubleshoot that?
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3607 [21:14:31] <Raspberry> hello
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3611 [21:15:13] <julius> hi
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3613 [21:15:29] <jhutchins> Oddly, most of the adobe flash
tests/demos on their site appear to work.
3614 [21:15:42] <DrBunsen> Hi, I got alot of errors while
booting(and have had weird behaviour for a week now like freezing
and hanging), I checked dmesg but I can't tell the difference
to what is what. Can someone please take a look at my dmesg? I did
contain some errors:
replaced-url
3615 [21:16:04] <julius> got a newtwork questions, downloading via
http gives me DUP ACK's, a few hundred in the first few
megabytes of the download....would it make sense to get a new dsl
modem for testing?
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3618 [21:16:42] <Raspberry> hello
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3620 [21:17:41] <DrBunsen> hello
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3631 [21:22:55] <n4dir> "Print the words 'hello
world'. That is the one big hurdle ... everything else is
comparatively easy". ; The C Programming Language; Ritchie
& Kernighan.
3632 [21:23:34] <greycat> To be fair, that book does not cover
networking.
3633 [21:23:39] <Raspberry> i like "Hello World"
3634 [21:23:42] <Raspberry> :)
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3638 [21:23:57] <tdn> I am thinking about volunteering to be a
package maintainer for ReaR. But where do I begin? And how much time
should I expect to spend on this?
3639 [21:24:00] <n4dir> oh, i was only reffering to the
hello's and hi's, not to any questions.
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3644 [21:25:39] <awal1> tdn: check #debian-mentors channel (OFTC
server)
3645 [21:26:20] <jhutchins> julius: I would suspect the server.
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3649 [21:28:12] <jhutchins> Can anyone confirm that pandora.com
works with pepperflash?
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3653 [21:30:30] <NDyukov> looks like, Oracle Xe and Debian do not
make friends
3654 [21:31:18] <DrBunsen> Don't they work together well?
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3658 [21:31:36] <tdn> awal1, ok.
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3660 [21:32:24] <awal1> jhutchins: only users from usa, australia
and new zealand can try :P
3661 [21:32:27] <NDyukov> DrBunsen: on debian no glibc, make,
libaio, binutils
3662 [21:33:07] <greycat> 14:35 greycat> NDyukov: apt-get
install build-essential libaio-dev
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3665 [21:33:44] <greycat> And "make" is literally a
valid package name, though it will be pulled in by build-essential,
so you don't have to explicitly name it.
3666 [21:33:57] <greycat> (Same for binutils.)
3667 [21:35:17] <NDyukov> greycat: Package has no installation
candidate
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3670 [21:35:35] <greycat> NDyukov: Then your sources.list is
incorrect, or you didn't run apt-get update, or you're not
on Debian.
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3672 [21:36:18] <NDyukov> greycat: in assembling the package is
not
3673 [21:36:31] <DrBunsen> NDyukov: I have glibc aswel
3674 [21:36:33] <greycat> !exact
3675 [21:36:33] <dpkg> Please tell us exactly what you typed, and
exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like
replaced-url
3676 [21:37:23] <NDyukov> greycat: I have the latest version
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3678 [21:37:41] <greycat> *plonk*
3679 [21:37:56] <greycat> Clearly a troll using a based-on-Debian.
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3682 [21:39:26] <g00se1> Is there a good way of seeing what
'new' tcp connections are being made? Was thinking somehow
of running netstat with watch but it is not producing a new log file
at the interval i gave
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3684 [21:39:34] <NDyukov> Debian 8.6.0
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3695 [21:42:49] <n4dir> no clue if tcpdump will offer such, g00se1
(i would expect it does, else i wouldn't post)
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3698 [21:45:09] <NDyukov> there is an option:
replaced-url
3699 [21:45:09] <NDyukov> but the key here is outdated
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3706 [21:46:25] <OdinYggd> :D
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3708 [21:46:34] <OdinYggd> Who here is familiar with bcache and
lvm-cache?
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3710 [21:46:55] <OdinYggd> I'm looking at building a server
to use a SSD cache for a raid array, but I'm not sure of the
support status on my two options for how to make that work
3711 [21:47:19] <OdinYggd> Last time I looked into it, it seemed
that they were works in progress
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3713 [21:47:54] <careta> I want to connect remotely to my computer
at home, and I want to resume the session where I left it - how can
I achieve this? Let's say I login at home, run some apps, then
go away and login remotely, and just resume that session
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3715 [21:48:35] <greycat> What kind of "session"? You
mean a full desktop with graphics and shit, or a terminal session?
3716 [21:48:40] <n4dir> careta: screen when it comes to cli,
probably vnc for other sessions
3717 [21:48:43] <careta> greycat, full desktop
3718 [21:48:46] <OdinYggd> ssh sessions it can be done easily
using screen
3719 [21:48:55] <OdinYggd> vnc, I recall issues with vncserver not
using the same desktop
3720 [21:49:01] <OdinYggd> Just a second I have my workstation set
up for this
3721 [21:49:05] <OdinYggd> will test and confirm :)
3722 [21:49:08] <careta> I don't want to start a new session,
I want to resume where I was when working locally
3723 [21:49:11] <careta> thanks!
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3729 [21:50:56] <careta> ah I think I found it! x11vnc ->
replaced-url
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3731 [21:50:59] <maziar> sorry i diconnected
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3733 [21:51:20] <OdinYggd> My phone is controlling the current X
session over vnc
3734 [21:51:33] <careta> OdinYggd, what vnc server do you use?
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3736 [21:51:44] <maziar> hello all, I'm using this tutorial
replaced-url
3737 [21:51:51] <g00se1> n4dir: Thanks. Was trying to avoid
installing anything new
3738 [21:51:53] <OdinYggd> x11vnc -forever -rfbauth
3739 [21:52:01] <OdinYggd> it has a file to make it load the
password
3740 [21:52:12] <careta> OdinYggd, that's what I thought,
x11vnc
3741 [21:52:15] <OdinYggd> For the client, I'm using a
tightvnc compatible on android
3742 [21:52:21] <OdinYggd> I do know this works over a SSH tunnel
as well
3743 [21:52:26] <OdinYggd> since I'll work from home this way
3744 [21:52:26] <careta> should work I hope
3745 [21:52:31] <careta> so does it play well with different
resolutions then?
3746 [21:52:36] <OdinYggd> scrolling
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3748 [21:52:47] <OdinYggd> Especially on a phone against a
1600x1080 lcd
3749 [21:52:50] <teraflops> *vnc is ugh…
3750 [21:52:50] <careta> for example my computer will be at 1080,
but my thin client will run at 4k
3751 [21:52:55] <OdinYggd> Lots and lots of scrolling
3752 [21:53:23] <careta> hmm I see. I wonder how it works in the
opposite way, remote has higher resolution
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3755 [21:53:53] <teraflops> freerdp or x2go look better
3756 [21:53:55] <OdinYggd> Then it just makes a window
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3758 [21:53:59] <OdinYggd> and stretches as needed
3759 [21:54:06] <OdinYggd> teraflops neither are cloud based
right?
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3761 [21:54:22] <careta> damn I was wishing it rescaled to the
thin client's resolution
3762 [21:54:24] <OdinYggd> vnc may be old, but vnc over a
compressed SSH is pretty darn effective at everything except
video/audio
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3774 [21:57:56] <efloid> can anyone recommend a good gui
system/cpu monitor app?
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3776 [21:58:23] <greycat> what would such a thing do?
3777 [21:58:40] <OdinYggd> htop isn't gui, its command line.
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3779 [21:58:48] <OdinYggd> I wonder if there's a gui
counterpart
3780 [21:59:00] <n4dir> gkrml or such? wasn't that hip for a
while?
3781 [21:59:20] <greycat> Monitoring report: yup, you still have a
CPU.
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3783 [22:00:33] <OdinYggd> Still hoping to find out more current
info on bcache or lvmcache, but considering how few people are
likely to know it might be a while
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3788 [22:02:53] <teraflops> OdinYggd: cloud based?
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3795 [22:05:21] <careta> teraflops, do you know if x2go supports
dynamic resizing - does it adapt resolution to the client side?
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3797 [22:06:01] <jhutchins> efloid: what desktop?
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3803 [22:10:50] <efloid> something that would look similar to
Windows task manager performance tab
3804 [22:11:05] <efloid> it shows the CPU utilization percent
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3806 [22:11:13] <greycat> Ugh, gods.
3807 [22:11:21] <efloid> along with the max freq
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3809 [22:11:27] <greycat> Laptop shit too.
3810 [22:11:36] <efloid> things like top only show the utilization
percent but not the max freq
3811 [22:12:04] <OdinYggd> teraflops, a lot of remote desktop work
from home type stuff has a third party backend to provide cloud-like
accessibility
3812 [22:12:15] <efloid> the reason is sometime my cpu gets locked
into a power-saving state
3813 [22:12:22] <jhutchins> efloid: what desktop?
3814 [22:12:26] <OdinYggd> I don't trust such services
because that middleman is a point of weakness, and would rather just
ssh tunnel a vnc connection
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3816 [22:13:09] <efloid> jhutchins: kde or gnome
3817 [22:13:11] <jhutchins> OdinYggd: Most of the places I've
worked use Cisco Anyconnect.
3818 [22:13:16] <teraflops> careta: yes it does
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3820 [22:13:28] <greycat> You're not even sure whether you
use kde or gnome?
3821 [22:13:47] <OdinYggd> There's tons of products around
for it, cisco probably sticks huge licensing fees on as usual
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3823 [22:13:53] <teraflops> OdinYggd: still dont get the cloud
thingy sorry
3824 [22:13:56] <jhutchins> efloid:
replaced-url
3825 [22:14:05] <efloid> LOL I use kde but of course can run a
gnome app if necessary
3826 [22:14:08] <jhutchins> efloid: They both have built-ins.
3827 [22:14:09] <teraflops> OdinYggd: it's my fault I'm
old
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3829 [22:14:17] <OdinYggd> Services like logmein use a
'cloud' server.
3830 [22:14:23] <OdinYggd> The client maintains a connection to
the cloud
3831 [22:14:26] <OdinYggd> and so does the host
3832 [22:14:37] <jhutchins> efloid: There are others as well,
google will find them for you
3833 [22:14:38] <OdinYggd> eliminates the need to make a VPN
equivalent or configure firewalls
3834 [22:14:47] <efloid> jhutchins: yes kde has ksysguard but it
doesn't show cpu max freq
3835 [22:15:02] <OdinYggd> But introduces a pretty big security
hole in that all data being viewed by you is accessible to that
intermediate
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3837 [22:15:47] <jscoder> I'm able to retrieve a list of
files on my palm via USB as root but not as user, using "
3838 [22:15:50] <efloid> i hate the comparison, but actually the
task manager performace tab in windows is very useful and
there's no apparent Linux equivalent
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3840 [22:16:08] <OdinYggd> htop, which is command line
3841 [22:16:20] <efloid> OdinYggd: ok will check
3842 [22:16:25] <greycat> xterm -e htop # now it's a GUI!
3843 [22:16:29] <teraflops> hehe
3844 [22:16:35] <jscoder> I'm able to retrieve a list of
files on my palm via USB as root but not as user, using
"pilot-xfer -l -p usb:" does anyone know what may be
preventing a normal user from getting the sync?
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3846 [22:16:56] <efloid> fyi i also know about dstat, sysstat, and
vmstat
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3848 [22:17:34] <OdinYggd> I usually use htop for the same stuff I
use windows task manager for
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3850 [22:17:39] <teraflops> or create yout own on using conky
3851 [22:17:41] <OdinYggd> windows perfmon would be divided
between htop and iotop
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3853 [22:17:44] <teraflops> your*
3854 [22:17:52] <OdinYggd> It is also possible to pull the raw
data feeds out to your own program
3855 [22:17:59] <OdinYggd> and make taskbar widgets out of that
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3863 [22:20:11] <efloid> htop doesn't show cpu max freq
either. without knowing the % utiliization is not very useful
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3866 [22:20:51] <OdinYggd> How come that matters?
3867 [22:20:58] <OdinYggd> The CPU frequency should throttle based
on the workload
3868 [22:21:06] <OdinYggd> If its not busy, it slows down to
conserve power and make less heat
3869 [22:21:24] <efloid> i also think querying /proc/cpuinfo would
not be useful as that will just show the theoretic cpu max freq but
not whether it's being limited by power saving
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3871 [22:21:47] <OdinYggd> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3450
@ 2.67GHz
3872 [22:21:56] <OdinYggd> It doesn't even show the
frequency, only the info in the CPU model
3873 [22:22:06] <efloid> exactly
3874 [22:22:12] <OdinYggd> Oh wait here it is
3875 [22:22:13] <OdinYggd> cpu MHz : 1197.000
3876 [22:22:21] <OdinYggd> This is coming from an idle fileserver
3877 [22:22:26] <OdinYggd> And has clearly throttled itself
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3881 [22:24:56] <efloid> FYI here's what the Windows one
looks like:
replaced-url
3882 [22:25:29] <jhutchins> efloid: The Windows Task Manager is a
blinkey light. It is known to be extremely innacurate.
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3888 [22:25:49] <jhutchins> efloid: THere are many system
monitoring tools in Linux, learn about some of them before you
criticize.
3889 [22:26:04] <greycat> Just ask your desktop's channel for
a laptop applet thingy that fits your needs, if nobody here knows of
one.
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3891 [22:26:45] <jhutchins> greycat: He doesn't like the KDE
one.
3892 [22:27:01] <greycat> Maybe there's more than one? I have
no idea.
3893 [22:28:11] <OdinYggd> Probably lots
3894 [22:28:18] <greycat> Alternatively, if you can figure out
which file in /proc or /sys has the data you want, you could write a
stupid little shell script that writes the value to a transparent
3x1 terminal every n seconds.
3895 [22:28:23] <OdinYggd> I've seen more than a few
screenshots with dashboards people have come up with
3896 [22:28:35] <OdinYggd> /proc/cpuinfo shows a cpu frequency,
which on an idle server is well below its rated
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3898 [22:28:47] <OdinYggd> Dunno how often that updates, but task
manager doesn't update the cpu frequency that often either
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3900 [22:28:54] <greycat> I would not fancy parsing it out of
/proc/cpuinfo
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3902 [22:29:27] <greycat> I'm not even convinced the values
in /proc/cpuinfo are dynamic.
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3904 [22:29:47] <OdinYggd> Trying to find a way to throw some load
on the server I checked it on to see if it changes.
3905 [22:29:54] <OdinYggd> 3.4Ghz CPU reporting 1197 mhz
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3907 [22:30:06] <OdinYggd> since it is only passing a few packets
right now and there's onyl 2 employees in the building, its
idling
3908 [22:30:07] <jhutchins> I get results like "top 20"
when I do a search for Linux gui system monitor, there's no
shortage of alternatives.
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3914 [22:31:03] <jhutchins> When I had a laptop that tended to
overheat and run the CPU at 100% all the time I just threw cpufreq
on it and it fixed it, I didn't have to monitor it.
3915 [22:31:14] <hicksd> run stress on it, that'll max out as
many cores as you want and unless it's deliberatly throttled
you should see it hit max speed (until any thermal issues kick in)
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3917 [22:32:20] <jhutchins> ,v stress
3918 [22:32:21] <judd> Package: stress on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0.1-1; jessie: 1.0.1-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.0.4-1~bpo8+1;
sid: 1.0.4-2; stretch: 1.0.4-2
3919 [22:32:27] <jhutchins> ,v stress-ng
3920 [22:32:28] <judd> Package: stress-ng on amd64 -- jessie:
0.01.32-1; stretch: 0.07.08-1; sid: 0.07.11-1
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3923 [22:33:04] <efloid> well i just finished my first python
course and we touched on reporting os & system info only
briefly. maybe i can delve into it and create something
3924 [22:33:23] <OdinYggd> watch /proc/cpuinfo | grep cpu clearly
shows the cores changing frequency in response to loads
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3926 [22:33:43] <jscoder> Here is an strace as root
replaced-url
3927 [22:33:43] <efloid> maybe something in the platform or os
modules
3928 [22:33:48] <OdinYggd> rather
3929 [22:33:57] <OdinYggd> watch "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep
MHz"
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3931 [22:34:14] <OdinYggd> gives me a list of frequencies, one for
each core, and updates every 2 seconds for default settings of watch
3932 [22:34:25] <greycat> OdinYggd: OK, if that's dynamic and
if nobody knows an easier file in /proc to scrape the data out of,
you could write a shell script to parse /proc/cpuinfo every 10
seconds and write the value to a 3x1 transparent terminal.
3933 [22:34:40] <greycat> Voila, a CPU frequency monitor.
3934 [22:35:02] <greycat> OK, larger than 3x1. Say, 4x1 and you
truncate the decimal.
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3939 [22:35:59] <hicksd> if you want more cpu info, cat
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
3940 [22:36:20] <hicksd> there's also cpu/intel_pstate/ for
the min/max/turbo current settings
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3942 [22:36:26] <hicksd> assumingit's an intel anyway
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3944 [22:37:40] <greycat> gah, needs root to read that...
3945 [22:37:59] <kion> what about w or top and watch the load
average
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3948 [22:39:32] <greycat> He specifically wants the CPU frequency.
3949 [22:39:47] <OdinYggd> I already suggested htop, cpu frequency
is required.
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3951 [22:39:55] <teraflops> kion: cpustat shows load avg too
3952 [22:40:12] <jscoder> hmm.. its lack of write support to
authenticate.. I need one of those hotplug rule things
3953 [22:40:13] <OdinYggd> Even though the only time I would
expect it to be an issue is if the hardware is failing, and you have
bigger problems than not performing well
3954 [22:40:30] <OdinYggd> It is doing what it is supposed to and
reducing frequency to limit heat output when there isn't work
for it
3955 [22:41:08] <kion> teraflops, seems like cpustat is not
installed in Debian by default
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3958 [22:41:37] <hicksd> what about scaling_cur_freq
3959 [22:41:50] <greycat> neither is htop
3960 [22:42:04] <jscoder> I need to write a rule to make sure that
a device node is writable as a normal user to a USB device when it
connects, where do those go?
3961 [22:42:17] <greycat> and cpustat isn't even a package
name in jessie...
3962 [22:42:20] <efloid> FYI: cat
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
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3964 [22:42:51] <greycat> OK, that one doesn't need root.
3965 [22:42:52] <efloid> i could make a little python scrip that
iterates through each cpu and prints the info
3966 [22:42:53] <OdinYggd> <hicksd> if you want more cpu
info, cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
3967 [22:42:56] <OdinYggd> this gives a fun number
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3969 [22:43:00] <OdinYggd> but its just a number, easy to math
3970 [22:43:03] <OdinYggd> don't have to parse it out
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3972 [22:43:26] <teraflops> ,v cpustat
3973 [22:43:27] <judd> Package: cpustat on amd64 -- stretch:
0.01.29-1; sid: 0.02.01-1
3974 [22:43:32] <efloid> hicksd: that's funny we both found
the same thing
3975 [22:43:33] <teraflops> ogh
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3977 [22:43:48] <hicksd> just had a quick ddg on the difference
replaced-url
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3979 [22:44:10] <OdinYggd> efloid why does the CPU frequency
matter that much? I would expect the default throttling to be
perfectly fine unless the power management was going nuts
3980 [22:44:26] <OdinYggd> laptops always throttle back on
battery, the cooling fan takes too much power
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3983 [22:45:08] <efloid> OdinYggd: i've noticed in the past
that after resume it would get stuck in a power saving state
3984 [22:45:10] <teraflops> I just forgot the source of this
conversation :s
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3987 [22:45:50] <hicksd> efloid: I've seen that with my
laptop too
3988 [22:45:56] <hicksd> even after plugging it in again
3989 [22:46:06] <efloid> OdinYggd: when i notice the perormance
decreasing i want to check
3990 [22:46:08] <OdinYggd> bios update time? possibly microcode
update?
3991 [22:46:14] <hicksd> I usually just set the max cpu freq to
100 and no_turbo to 0 to get it back out of it via a shell script
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3994 [22:46:48] <hicksd> although it's pretty infrequent.
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3997 [22:47:48] <OdinYggd> In that case couldn't you just
make a script that monitors the CPU frequency, CPU load, and power
management status?
3998 [22:48:19] <OdinYggd> Make it so that if the CPU load is >
50%, CPU frequency < 100% and power management shows it is on AC,
reset the throttling so it goes to full power
3999 [22:48:26] <hicksd> in xfce there'sa little cpu task
thing that will show current freq
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4002 [22:49:07] <greycat> xterm -geometry 5x1 -e bash -c
'while sleep 2; do read freq <
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq; printf
"%04d\r" $((freq/1024)); done'
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4004 [22:49:18] <jhutchins> Yeah, you can change the current CPU
throttling state.
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4009 [22:51:43] <JyZyXEL> interesting, when i put my GPU under
load, syslog started spamming messages like:
"fancontrol[28145]: /usr/sbin/fancontrol: line 492: [: too many
arguments"
4010 [22:51:57] <greycat> Your shell script is broken.
4011 [22:52:09] <JyZyXEL> greycat: its part of lm-sensors
though...
4012 [22:52:14] <greycat> Or the package's shell script, if
that came from a Debian package.
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4014 [22:52:27] <OdinYggd> Speaking of broken sensors, I've
got a 750TI with a dead fan control
4015 [22:52:42] <OdinYggd> Would not turn the fan on no matter how
much I pushed it- I took it to 80C at one point to see if it would
go
4016 [22:52:44] <JyZyXEL> if its failing to regulate the speed of
the GPU fan, then this could possibly be a hardware endangering bug
4017 [22:53:03] <OdinYggd> Yes, so I instead wired the fan to run
directly off the PSU's 12v
4018 [22:53:07] <rapha> i got a T23 here which never feels like it
needs its fan
4019 [22:53:11] <OdinYggd> Stays at a comfy 50C now while mining
altcoins
4020 [22:53:44] <OdinYggd> Was a free 750TI that my brother in law
got for cheap
4021 [22:53:48] <rapha> altcoins, that the new thing now after
bitcoins are dead (tm)?
4022 [22:53:58] <OdinYggd> No, the goal is still bitcoins
4023 [22:54:01] <rapha> k
4024 [22:54:05] <OdinYggd> but altcoins are easier to mine and
have less competition
4025 [22:54:09] <rapha> oic
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4027 [22:54:16] <OdinYggd> so you GPU mine altcoins, then sell
them to get bitcoin
4028 [22:54:27] <OdinYggd> cause mining bitcoin directly, GPUs
don't compare to asics
4029 [22:54:36] <rapha> i guess if you yield more than you have to
invest in power....
4030 [22:55:19] <OdinYggd> Anyone here familiar with bcache or
lvm-cache
4031 [22:55:45] <oaps> if i want to make avahi less chatty and
only send packets when i ask it to resolve a .local address, or as a
response to an mdns request for my .local address from the network,
is it enough to set disable-publishing=yes in
/etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf?
4032 [22:55:46] <OdinYggd> I'm looking at using a SSD to
catch a raid10 set, but support for these two cache types still
seems to be very early
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4042 [23:01:35] <magnetophon> Hi, I'm running debian on an
aluminium imac, and it's getting quite hot. Some of the sensors
are reading 80C / 175 F. Is that OK? Anything I can do?
4043 [23:02:54] <magnetophon> It's my parents machine, and
I'd hate to break it, even more than if it was my own!
4044 [23:02:56] <OdinYggd> That is not okay at all
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4047 [23:03:00] <greycat> General purpose answer: make sure all
the vents are clear of dust, not blocked by your lap, etc.
4048 [23:03:06] <OdinYggd> Is it clean? Does it have good airflow
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4050 [23:03:57] <magnetophon> OdinYggd greycat: I think it's
clean, as it was never in a dusty room, but it's a bit hard to
open.
4051 [23:04:22] <greycat> I wouldn't attempt to open it at
this point. Just visually inspect it for obvious clogging.
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4059 [23:05:39] <magnetophon> greycat: all seems fine, but then
again, there is only a slit on top for venting
4060 [23:06:10] <greycat> I don't know this hardware, but how
is there supposed to be airflow if there aren't at least 2
openings?
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4063 [23:06:40] <magnetophon> greycat: erm, true. there's
also holes in the bottom
4064 [23:07:01] <greycat> Those are the ones I'd worry about.
If you're using this on your lap, or other non-rigid surface,
those can easily be blocked.
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4066 [23:07:14] <magnetophon> it's one of these:
replaced-url
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4069 [23:07:41] <magnetophon> greycat: no, it's on a stand.
see pic
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4071 [23:08:12] <greycat> Oh, thought it was a laptop.
4072 [23:08:22] <OdinYggd> imac, one of those big old beasts
4073 [23:08:27] <OdinYggd> I remember those
4074 [23:08:33] <OdinYggd> Hard to believe you've got one
that still works
4075 [23:08:41] <OdinYggd> Does it have airflow thorugh the slots
it has though?
4076 [23:08:47] <OdinYggd> At the age it is, the fans may have
seized up
4077 [23:09:16] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: are you thinking of the
bright coloured ones? did you see the pic? I think it's from
2009.
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4079 [23:09:31] <greycat> more than old enough for fans to stop
rotating
4080 [23:09:41] <greycat> assuming it even has any
4081 [23:09:42] <OdinYggd> Just looked, was thinking the CRT based
imacs with colored frames
4082 [23:09:56] <OdinYggd> but still, fans stop working after only
a year or two of service in some cases
4083 [23:10:00] <OdinYggd> Check it carefully
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4085 [23:10:32] <magnetophon> OdinYggd greycat: there's 3
fans in the sensor applications, all spinning at +/- 100 rpm, with a
max of 3500rpm
4086 [23:10:45] <magnetophon> sorry 1000rpm
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4089 [23:11:21] <OdinYggd> Hmm
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4091 [23:11:33] <OdinYggd> Should be pegged if it is hitting 80C
4092 [23:11:48] <OdinYggd> Throttling targets on a PC mainboard at
least are usually like 60C 70C
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4094 [23:12:30] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: yeah, seems strange thqat
the fans are not @ max speed, right?
4095 [23:12:41] <OdinYggd> Very
4096 [23:12:51] <OdinYggd> If it is actually that hot, the fans
should be running flat out
4097 [23:13:00] <OdinYggd> Likely it is running hot because they
aren't spinning fast enough
4098 [23:13:16] <OdinYggd> It is a mac though, different rules
4099 [23:13:26] <magnetophon> why?
4100 [23:13:32] <magnetophon> what do you mean?
4101 [23:14:05] <OdinYggd> The temp targets and configurations
might not be what I'm used to
4102 [23:14:20] <aaro> magnetophon, you may try adding
'acpi_osi=Linux' to your kernel boot options, my laptop
fan started spinning after using that
4103 [23:14:36] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: it's just normal
intel CPU's and such
4104 [23:14:48] <magnetophon> aaro: thanks!
4105 [23:14:49] <OdinYggd> I don't remember when they made
that transition
4106 [23:14:51] <OdinYggd> Current hardware is yes
4107 [23:15:13] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: this one is intel too
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4109 [23:15:32] <OdinYggd> So it should be targetting 60C or 70C,
at 80C it would be flat out
4110 [23:15:36] <OdinYggd> Does it have an accessible bios?
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4113 [23:15:49] <OdinYggd> Some systems show temp and fan speed in
the bios, see what is being reported there.
4114 [23:16:07] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: not that I know of.
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4117 [23:16:51] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: it does feel quite hot to
the touch, and I can hardly hear fans, so the measurements seem
legit.
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4119 [23:17:22] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: but I'll try and
google up a way to the bios anyway.
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4124 [23:18:28] <OdinYggd> PCs usually let you at least.
You'd have to reboot anyway for aaro's suggestion
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4126 [23:18:39] <OdinYggd> try his suggestion, then reboot and
check in the bios on the way there
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4130 [23:19:11] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: yeah, there's a bios
under a special key combo
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4133 [23:19:34] <n4dir> magnetophon:
replaced-url
4134 [23:19:40] <OdinYggd> This is where macs do things very
differently from PCs
4135 [23:19:52] <OdinYggd> but if it is accessible and shows temp
and fan speed, you could check that the sensors are working
4136 [23:20:02] <magnetophon> aaro: thanks, that's the one I
was looking at too
4137 [23:20:13] <OdinYggd> Might even show you the temp targets-
I've had retail boards for custom PC builds with configurable
targets
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4139 [23:21:40] <magnetophon> n4dir: thanks, that's the one I
was looking at too
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4141 [23:22:38] <magnetophon> OK, thanks everyone. I'm going
for that reboot. BRB with a report. :) OdinYggd, greycat, aaro,
n4dir
4142 [23:22:42] <n4dir> i got a Mac here which runs Tiger. Looks
like your picture. Well: weird. Good luck
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4144 [23:23:03] <n4dir> that was the last one which had ppc
support, iirc.
4145 [23:23:03] <magnetophon> n4dir: what temperatures are you
getting?
4146 [23:23:19] <magnetophon> this one is intel
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4148 [23:23:31] <n4dir> magnetophon: i didn't realize
anything unusual. but i hardly boot it. Would want to put Debian or
BSD on it, but fear all the headaches
4149 [23:23:57] <nabblet> I have a question about apt (in
combination with raspian and ROS, so it's semi-offtopic?): I
added "replaced-url
4150 [23:24:20] <oaps> nabblet: find how?
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4152 [23:24:29] <magnetophon> n4dir: it was easy as pie.
everything worked after a plain install. go for it.
4153 [23:24:35] <greycat> He's adding an ubuntu repo to a
raspbian system and the repo says "jessie" on it.
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4155 [23:24:39] <n4dir> OdinYggd: said above he had no clue when
the ppc-intel change was made. I checked if i could install a newer
OS, but the following ones won't support ppc anymore. Just a
bit of side info
4156 [23:24:40] <greycat> Not even gonna TRY to touch that.
4157 [23:24:59] <n4dir> magnetophon: thanks for that. will try
asap
4158 [23:25:19] <OdinYggd> I remember the older macs were PPC, but
I don't remember when they started making them with Intel
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4160 [23:25:28] <OdinYggd> It sounds like 2009 might have been it
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4163 [23:25:55] <nabblet> oaps: e.g. i should have
ros-kinetic-cv-bridge but if I run apt-get install on it, it wails
with "Unable to loacte packages ros-kinetic-cv-bridge"
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4165 [23:26:25] <n4dir> OdinYggd: that was my whole point: sounds
like it.
4166 [23:26:38] <magnetophon> n4dir: I spent a day trying to get
NixOS running, (my new love after 10 years of debian), but kept
having GPU issues (black screen after modeset). debian was 100% OK
first try.
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4168 [23:27:05] <magnetophon> debian is cool!
4169 [23:27:13] <magnetophon> brb
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4171 [23:27:39] <n4dir> Yeah, i once had an elder ppc, now dead.
The hard part was to find the keyboard-shortcuts. debian was rather
easy (perhaps i had problems with the graphics, not sure)
4172 [23:27:42] <nabblet> greycat: I understand your concern, but
as far as I understand they (i.e. ROS) are actually differenciating
it. Officially they only support (i.e. build) for ubuntu, but they
do it for debian too
replaced-url
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4174 [23:28:19] <OdinYggd> Ubuntu and Debian do have a good bit in
common, but packages that are in Ubuntu stable might still be in
Debian testing.
4175 [23:28:29] <OdinYggd> Mixing distros is an experts-only
subject usually
4176 [23:28:48] <nabblet> OdinYggd: That's why I am trusting
the ROS guys to do it correctly :)
4177 [23:28:52] <OdinYggd> Add the cross platform madness of a Pi
in , and you're in for a big mess
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4179 [23:29:29] <nabblet> yep, learning the the hard way....
sooooo.... gentoo? :)
4180 [23:30:14] <n4dir> nothing hard about gentoo, if you ask me.
as long we speak about package-management
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4184 [23:32:10] <nabblet> n4dir: actually i already tried ros on
gentoo on my desktop. went semi-well
4185 [23:32:35] <nabblet> AFK - thanks for your support/interest
so far :)
4186 [23:32:46] <TheChubu> so thanks to the people who helped me
earlier, managed to move home,var and tmp during the install via
/target and everything worked :D
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4189 [23:33:10] <OdinYggd> Any luck?
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4192 [23:33:40] <nabblet> OdinYggd: you're asking me?
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4194 [23:33:56] <OdinYggd> magnetophon
4195 [23:34:04] <OdinYggd> Was helping him with an overheating mac
4196 [23:34:11] <nabblet> oic :)
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4198 [23:34:29] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: I didn't get into the
bios. what's the "mac option key" on a regular
keyboard? I assumed alt, but that didn't work
4199 [23:34:42] <OdinYggd> I would think it is the windows key
4200 [23:34:49] <OdinYggd> between ctrl and alt on my machine
4201 [23:34:50] <magnetophon> I did add the boot option, but no
change in measurements
4202 [23:34:54] <OdinYggd> k
4203 [23:35:27] <n4dir> try the windows key, magnetophon . And one
how-to told me to hit it late, didn't work. Then i hit it right
after power-on, and it worked (or the other way around).
4204 [23:35:42] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: no, that one is called the
Command key, and it's also part of the key combo
4205 [23:35:56] <OdinYggd> Dunno then
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4207 [23:36:11] <OdinYggd> Oh, on a very Debian-related matter
4208 [23:36:17] <OdinYggd> is Debian 7 being phased out already?
4209 [23:36:28] <n4dir> magnetophon: there are websites who tell
the according PC keys
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4211 [23:36:33] <TheChubu> no idea
4212 [23:36:40] <TheChubu> been using testing since forever :3
4213 [23:36:45] <OdinYggd> I'm noticing stuff whining about
being out of date, yet there aren't new updates in the repo
other than the usual bugfixes
4214 [23:36:51] <OdinYggd> iirc Jessie is finally stable
4215 [23:37:13] <magnetophon> n4dir: do you have your mac close
by? and does it have a mac keyboard? If so you could help me
identify the right keys
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4217 [23:37:37] <n4dir> the mac is here, but no mac keyboard. I
feel your pain
4218 [23:38:30] <magnetophon> n4dir: :) the manual says:
"Open OpenFirmware by holding down the "Command,"
"Option," "O" and "F" keys
simultaneously." So I need the win key plus something else.
4219 [23:38:54] <n4dir> shooting in the dark: might be C is what i
used
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4222 [23:39:41] <magnetophon> n4dir: C? as in the letter C?
instead of O and F? or in addition to?
4223 [23:40:34] <OdinYggd> You want the menu key
4224 [23:40:41] <n4dir> i meant for option or command. There are
websites, but it takes a bit to find them. Look if that helps
replaced-url
4225 [23:40:44] <OdinYggd> Sources tell me its the button on the
right between the right winkey and right ctrl
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4227 [23:40:54] <OdinYggd> This is apparently called the menu key,
and I've never noticed it till now
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4231 [23:42:19] <magnetophon> n4dir: OdinYggd: that link says:
"On a generic USB keyboard the Alt key works as Option, and the
Windows key works as Command.", but I already tried that
(though maybe with the wring timing)
4232 [23:42:21] <random_numbers> What do you people tend to use to
manage your schedules via repo packages? Do you just go with
thunderbird's calendar or something like calcurse or
wyrd/remind?
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4235 [23:43:03] <magnetophon> OdinYggd: I'll try the menu
key. (that's the one you use for popup menu's, right?)
4236 [23:43:31] <magnetophon> brb
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4239 [23:43:34] <n4dir> magnetophon: i told you i hesitate to put
debian on it, all that fiddling and rebooting is a pain for me. :-)
Good luck
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4246 [23:48:12] <magnetophon> hmm, tried every combo with either
alt or menu, either before or right after power button, no luck.
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4248 [23:48:46] <magnetophon> I'll try googling a bit more,
to see if there's different keycombo's for different
models
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4252 [23:49:56] <hiexpo> hi ya all
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4261 [23:53:36] <random_numbers> hiexpo: Hey.
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4270 [23:58:35] <magnetophon> OdinYggd, n4dir: didn't find
anything yet. If it matters: the CPU is at around 45C. It's
parts called TG0D, TG0H and TG0p that are around 80C. does that
change anything? (I have'nt looked up what those parts are yet)
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