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26[00:13:54] <psichas> i did great job... installed driver!!!
27[00:13:58] <psichas> lol
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35[00:16:30] <psichas> replaced-url
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68[00:32:41] <capin> i ran `apt-get source systemd` because I was like to compile systemd with xz compression, because when I try to view a log file using `journalctl` i'm seeing this lovely error message, `journal uses incompatible flag xz-compressed disabled at compilation time.` ideally i'd like to build a .deb package of systemd with xz compression and install it using apt-get, is this even a thing? i obviously have little to
69[00:32:43] <capin> no expierence doing such a thing thus why i'm asking
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78[00:42:24] <somiaj> !package recompile
79[00:42:24] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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81[00:42:58] <somiaj> modifying the debian/rules should be enough to add the flag to use xz compression, though I don't know why it might be needed or not.
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91[00:45:45] <somiaj> seems in the debian/rules file there is a list of CONFFLAGS, and you can just add the one to enable xz compression there. YOu may want to also update the debian/control file to add a dependency for xz libaries needed (build depends as well), and then modify debian/changelog to add a change log version for yoru custom package.
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96[00:48:55] <somiaj> though I don't know why you need to do all this just to use journalctl, don't you think it would be better just to fix journalctl to work as designed and not enable a flag disabled in debian?
97[00:49:11] <somiaj> that way you get debian security support on the package
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99[00:50:06] <nzhuk98> capin: systemd in stretch is complied with xz support are you on a different version?
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119[01:00:21] <somiaj> ahh it is liblzma5 that provides the xz compression, didn't see that or a flag for xz support specifically
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204[02:22:20] <Technology_Guru> hi
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225[02:35:50] <dn> How can I make the rules created in iptables by fail2ban appear in webmin? It doesn't seem like fail2ban actually saves the rules it makes to any persistant file (except for it's own db) so webmin doesn't pull them. Any way to change this behavior?
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238[02:49:26] <TheChubu> hi! today i was trying to install debian testing from the CD sized ISO with Xfce
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240[02:49:39] <TheChubu> is there a reason why it wouldnt let me create ext4 partitions?
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242[02:50:16] <TheChubu> it was very weird. guided partitioning created them just fine. i just couldnt do it myself with manual partitioning. i only had fat32, swap, but no ext4.
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248[02:55:53] <annadane> TheChubu, is your goal just to install testing or to test the installer?
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250[02:56:04] <annadane> i would rather do a minimal stable install and upgrade to testing
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255[03:01:32] <capin> i'm trying to clone a git repo from `git.debian.org` but i'm getting the standard permission denied message, anybody else running into this issue? i'm running `gbp clone git+ssh://salsa.debian.org/git/pkg-systemd/systemd.git` `gbp:error: Git command failed: Error running git clone: Permission denied (publickey).`
256[03:01:54] <capin> apparently things have been migrated to gitlab?
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272[03:18:17] <ChmEarl> capin, signup for Salsa and attach the public ssh keys
273[03:19:18] <TheChubu> annadane: install testing
274[03:19:23] <capin> hmmm, i accepted the SSH keygs when i ran `gbp`, not really sure what the issue is, ahh didn't realize i had to create an account
275[03:19:36] <simbalion> Is there a way to solve dependency issues when installing from backports? I want to install the newer nvidia drivers
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279[03:25:53] <TheChubu> still i've always installed from testing installer that way
280[03:25:57] <TheChubu> for years
281[03:25:59] <TheChubu> kinda weird
282[03:26:05] <TheChubu> maybe it's some recent bug
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287[03:28:35] <somiaj> simbalion: it is often best to install the stretch version first, then upgrade to the backports version second
288[03:28:56] <simbalion> Thats what I'm doing
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293[03:30:07] <TheChubu> huh i might have fucked up and downloaded some other testing iso that wasnt the one i intended
294[03:30:16] <TheChubu> -_-
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309[03:34:25] <TheChubu> ooooh i think i downloaded a weekly build
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312[03:34:33] <TheChubu> not the buster installer "alpha"
313[03:34:44] <TheChubu> (which is usually the one that works)
314[03:35:30] <TheChubu> hopefully that also solves my unrecognized intel gigabit eth, which is pretty old already but it was unrecognized
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324[03:44:58] <somiaj> is it possible to configure pulseaudio to start its volume at say 40% or so, I have to turn it down on all apps I run, can't seem to find an option in pavucontrol
325[03:45:30] <simbalion> pactl set-sink-volume $sinknum 40%
326[03:46:50] <somiaj> and how to list the sink names?
327[03:47:12] <somiaj> or at least what their number is
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331[03:49:23] <somiaj> ahh pactl list sink
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334[03:51:07] <somiaj> ahh that sets the sink volume, but still have to adjust per app settings, oh well thanks, I can work with that
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488[06:21:04] <jak2000> how to fix: replaced-url
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513[06:38:06] <jak2000> any advice?
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518[06:42:32] <somiaj> jak2000: you need to get actual errors, if you use apt from a console you can get the actual name of the package and errors that are happening. That screen shot doesn't give any info other than it failed.
519[06:44:19] <jak2000> ho to switch to console?
520[06:45:33] <jak2000> ooo execute a shell
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524[06:46:02] <jak2000> apt
525[06:46:07] <jak2000> command not found
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567[07:24:03] <somiaj> jak2000: apt should be installed on your system, what version of debian are you running?
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678[08:51:48] <dadabidet> is there a way to install several desktop environment and to choose them at login?
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691[09:01:47] <nzhuk98> dadabidet: yes, start here: replaced-url
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696[09:04:24] <dadabidet_> I ran apt install lxde
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698[09:05:05] <dadabidet_> I locked out, logged in again but there was no choice of desktop env
699[09:05:42] <nzhuk98> dadabidet_: did you have Gnome before?
700[09:05:45] <snaphelp> Hey!
701[09:05:52] <snaphelp> anyone know of a good web interface for LXC?
702[09:06:22] <dadabidet_> nzhuk98: I have gnome right now
703[09:07:10] <nzhuk98> dadabidet_: on the loging screen click the small gear icon. you should see all DEs you installed there
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730[09:22:30] <dadabidet> I tried LXDE, I could not change mouse sensitivity, so I gave up
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733[09:23:53] <nzhuk98> If you want something other then Gnome, Cinnamon is pretty polished.
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736[09:24:20] <darxmurf> XFCE is light
737[09:24:53] <darxmurf> if you want something super light and a bit more complicated to configure there is "awesome"
738[09:27:01] <darxmurf> and if you like fat and square things, there is KDE :D
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740[09:27:38] <Unit193> I would think that awesomewm would have a steeper learning curve, or at least more specific userbase, than openbox.
741[09:28:04] <annadane> that's not an unfair description of KD
742[09:28:06] <annadane> E
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748[09:33:51] <darxmurf> well, it's not the lightest environement
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762[09:42:53] <melissa666> KDE isn't the lightest, but it's vastly more functional and less buggy than XFCE in my experience. if I have hardware that really can't run KDE, I'll use XFCE sometimes, but it's not my preference.
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765[09:44:04] <dadabidet> As long as the basic work, like setting mouse sensitivity and other paramters, it's ok
766[09:44:40] <dadabidet> Anything similar to gnome but ligher?
767[09:44:43] * Fox loves his WindowMaker
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771[09:45:24] <annadane> "like gnome"... with hot corners and everything? hmm
772[09:45:31] <annadane> ...cinnamon? idk if it's lighter
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775[09:46:17] <omarek> I like Xfce as a light desktop, but I don't think it's very similar to Gnome.
776[09:46:39] <omarek> It's simple and well put together, with more configuration options.
777[09:46:40] * Unit193 seems to recall a 'xfce4-hotcorner-plugin' tool, as well as 'xfdashboard'.
778[09:46:53] <annadane> KDE is basically as light as xfce in terms of system resources i think if you make some adjustments
779[09:47:48] <dadabidet> similar to gnome in simplicity
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781[09:48:09] <dadabidet> although the unity like menus are not that likable in gnome
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783[09:49:02] <annadane> i just use i3wm lol
784[09:49:08] <dadabidet> windows 10 can "pin" favorites program on a bar that become a task bar and a menu bar
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792[09:54:43] <metaphysician> Hello, Chromium browser on Debian 9 blocks most downloads. How do make it not block any downloads? "Protect from dangerous sites" is off.
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801[09:57:27] <dionysus69> I added vm.overcommit_memory = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf
802[09:57:33] <dionysus69> did I commit crime?
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804[09:57:50] <dionysus69> I was having problems with redis unable to allocate memory
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820[10:04:48] <metaphysician> Oh, looks like one extension is blockling the downloads...
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836[10:14:27] <iflema> dionysus69: 1?
837[10:14:39] <iflema> ratio?
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839[10:15:12] <iflema> but the reaper...
840[10:16:11] <dionysus69> iflema: yes 1
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842[10:16:21] <iflema> dionysus69: ratio?
843[10:16:30] <dionysus69> what ratio?
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847[10:16:48] <iflema> the pvercommit ratio dionysus69
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852[10:17:43] <iflema> just curious
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854[10:18:09] <dionysus69> I dont know where's pvercommit
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856[10:18:19] <dionysus69> there's no such config in the file
857[10:18:31] <iflema> dionysus69: vm.overcommit.ratio or some such
858[10:18:43] <dionysus69> nope, that's missing too
859[10:18:52] <dionysus69> there were actually 0 vm.attr s in the file
860[10:19:02] <dionysus69> the one I added was vm.overcommit_memory
861[10:19:34] <petn-randall> dionysus69: Look at the kernel documentation about this variable. What exact problem did you have with redis?
862[10:19:54] <dionysus69> it was occupying like half of the memory, (I am stress testing it)
863[10:20:00] <petn-randall> I'm guessing it's because it tried to allocate more shared memory than the system allows. That would be a different setting.
864[10:20:04] <iflema> dionysus69: vm.overcommit_ratio
865[10:20:05] <dionysus69> and then was unable to fork process to make persistance backup
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882[10:33:06] <dadabidet> I asked on #gnome, but do you know any reference on the gtk.css file? I want to change menu bar so make them thinner...
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884[10:33:41] <dadabidet> I already changed some things, but I'd like to find the complete list of properties
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886[10:33:57] <dadabidet> I googled it and did not find anything really relevant
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890[10:36:25] <petn-randall> dionysus69: On a 32 or 64 bit machine? How much was that memory usage in absolute numbers?
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892[10:39:24] <kale> i have a set of text files. they have some keywords in them. i now need to find all the files that has three specific keywords. Which tool can I use for this?
893[10:40:45] <petn-randall> kale: 'grep', or 'ack'.
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895[10:41:36] <kale> peth could you help me out on that grep command then. if the keywords are misc, hat, cone, how do i get grep to identify that file?
896[10:42:16] <dadabidet> any help to customize a theme?
897[10:42:27] <petn-randall> This sounds an awful lot like homework to me.
898[10:42:47] <jim> can thest three words appear anywhere in the files, including on different lines?
899[10:43:01] <jelly> petn-randall: what, trying to customize anything in gnome?
900[10:43:12] * jelly hides
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903[10:45:46] <kale> jim: yes anywhere in the file on any lien in any order
904[10:46:04] <jelly> kale: did you manage to identify files with just one keyword, thus far?
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906[10:46:14] <frikinz> Hi. For a SW raid / , do I need a separate /boot ?
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908[10:46:27] <kale> jelly: "grep cone *" does that for me
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910[10:47:00] <petn-randall> frikinz: No, grub can handle mdraid1 fine. I don't know about the other RAID levels, though.
911[10:47:09] <kale> frikinz: depends, not if it is a mirror
912[10:47:45] <frikinz> ok. It's a raid0. Not for me (don't need to explain me the risk of such raid ;)
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915[10:48:26] <frikinz> They'll be using a separate /boot but I wondered if it was required
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918[10:49:41] <kale> frikinz: i have a builtin ssd on my laptop mobo and an ssd drive too. i run /boot on raid mirror, then stripe on the remaining space on the builtin ssd. i run /root on the stripe, it makes my laptop start very fast.
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924[10:51:53] <jim> ok, then the test you want will look something like... for file in files; do if grep -q word1 $file; then if grep -q word2 $file; then if grep -q word3 $file; then echo $file; fi; fi; fi; done
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926[10:52:23] <jim> there could be a better way, dunno :)
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930[10:54:09] <jim> each time around the for loop you'll be going through each file three times
931[10:54:15] <rmrfchik> hi. what's the best way to run snap in debian. I've installed snapd, issued "snap install cloudcompare" which install me required snap. But how to run this snap??
932[10:54:17] <jelly> kale: you'll want to extend that with -E and use ERE (extended regular expression) syntax that can do alternatives, separated with | pipe character. You'll also want to quote the searched value because shells use |
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937[10:57:31] <kale> jelly: thanks, i found i could do this with awk, which i guess is equivalent: awk -v RS="" '/EXCHANGE/ && /AUTH. CODE/ && /AUTHORISATION/'
938[10:57:59] <jelly> kale: so grep -E 'word1|word2|word3|...' file file2 file3. grep has many useful options, one of which displays just the matching filename
939[10:58:25] <jelly> kale: why does RS matter there?
940[10:58:28] <kale> jelly: i just need it to treat the file as one long line then
941[10:59:04] <jelly> sure, if your files are short
942[10:59:35] <FightingFalcon> how do i download the LATEST version of unbound? No repository?
943[10:59:58] <jelly> FightingFalcon: what do you need from the LATEST version?
944[11:00:03] <jelly> ,v unbound
945[11:00:04] <judd> Package: unbound on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.17-3+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.4.17-3+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1.4.22-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.22-3+deb8u3; jessie-updates: 1.4.22-3+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.6.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6.0-3+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 1.6.0-3+deb9u1; buster: 1.7.3-1; sid: 1.7.3-1
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950[11:01:16] <jelly> FightingFalcon: if you need something with a larger version than what's in your installed debian release you'll have to build it yourself or hope upstream has repos for that specific debian release
951[11:01:45] <FightingFalcon> jelly, are you using unbound dns?
952[11:02:13] <jelly> FightingFalcon: no, pdns-recursor is good enough for me right now
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955[11:08:35] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: For the last few days you've been asking questions that don't really make sense or hide the actual issue you're running into. You'll reach your goal quicker if you describe the actual problem you have.
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957[11:09:28] <FightingFalcon> petn-randall, im just trying to install and configure unbound
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959[11:09:58] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: That doesn't need the LATEST version, does it?
960[11:10:25] <petn-randall> So I'm assuming there is a question inbetween that you haven't asked yet.
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962[11:11:38] <FightingFalcon> Isnt it better to have the latest version?
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966[11:12:31] <kale> FightingFalcon: depends on your attitude. want stability or want new features?
967[11:12:37] <jim> FightingFalcon, you're installing a dns to do general lookups?
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970[11:13:22] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: No. Debian for example only ships a specific version in stable, and provides bugfixes and security fixes for it. Over time, the security issues will become less when the software matures.
971[11:13:38] <FightingFalcon> jim, well yes but im confused. I have Hetzner hosts, im using Hetzner DNS servers and when i dig, my dns lookups are much faster with hetzner than my local unbound server. So i guess i shouldnt install and use it?
972[11:13:46] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: If you always run the latest version of everything, you'll always be running into the newly introduced bugs.
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975[11:15:09] <jim> what's a Hetzner host?
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978[11:15:45] <FightingFalcon> My host is german companu Hetzner
979[11:15:50] <FightingFalcon> company*
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982[11:16:12] <jelly> Hetzner is a VM and dedicated server provider, jim
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985[11:17:12] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Since you've been asking on #postfix lately, you *need* your own DNS resolver to access DNS blocklists.
986[11:17:32] <jelly> er, no you don't
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989[11:18:36] <jelly> it's just nicer not to pound the provider's recursors a lot
990[11:19:19] <petn-randall> jelly: I'm 100% sure that the Hetzner resolvers hit the ratelimit, and all DNSBL just give back bogus data.
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992[11:19:37] <jelly> ah, hidden knowledge
993[11:19:38] <petn-randall> been there, done that.
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997[11:20:31] <jelly> and a bug of the provider's infrastructure :-)
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1002[11:21:21] <FightingFalcon> petn-randall, so you recommend me to install and use unbound right?
1003[11:21:45] <petn-randall> Nope, the ratelimit is done by the DNSBL providers. You need to pay if you go above a certain rate. Base rate is for free.
1004[11:22:03] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: You still haven't said if you want to run your own MX, this is just my assumption.
1005[11:22:46] <FightingFalcon> i use my mailserver for a single email address only. my personal email.
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1007[11:23:24] <jelly> does that server receive mail for that email address' (whole) domain?
1008[11:23:57] <FightingFalcon> yes
1009[11:24:11] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Do you want to prevent getting tons of spam?
1010[11:24:15] <jelly> then it's nice to have a local resolver, yes
1011[11:24:36] <jelly> even if no DNSBL is in use (and you'll probably want to use some)
1012[11:24:50] <FightingFalcon> petn-randall, i dont get any spam emails.
1013[11:25:02] <jelly> you're going to.
1014[11:25:15] <FightingFalcon> What does dns have to do with spam?
1015[11:25:35] <jelly> some antispam functionality relies on dns
1016[11:26:39] <jelly> most if not all gratis realtime blacklists do
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1038[11:40:56] <omarek> Hi what's a good X application to display a warning? I want to run it using 'at' or 'watch'.
1039[11:41:14] <omarek> I'm not currently wearing headphones.
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1041[11:42:10] <Epakai> omarek: zenity
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1051[11:47:59] <wrksx> hey
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1053[11:48:41] <wrksx> I setup ufw but it's allowing some unwanted traffic
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1055[11:49:10] <wrksx> Is this necessary to specify to filter everything that's not explicitely allowed ?
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1057[11:49:23] <petn-randall> wrksx: Can you show us the config and what unwanted traffic got through?
1058[11:49:42] <wrksx> petn-randall, of courzsze
1059[11:49:46] <wrksx> !bin
1060[11:49:46] <dpkg> [.bin] NOT a meaningful filename extension. "aptitude install file", then run file on your .bin and see what it is (or, read it with less). Or read the README file that should have come with it. If it looks like a shell script, try "sh myfile.bin". .bin is the extension used by some JDK installers (which are executable files) and is also a Macintosh archive format (MacBinary). If it is a CD image, ask me about <bin-cue>.
1061[11:49:51] <wrksx> !paste
1062[11:49:52] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1065[11:51:31] <wrksx> petn-randall, the config replaced-url
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1068[11:52:20] <wrksx> Right now I'm able to connect to a web app on that host with HTTP port 8081
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1072[11:53:35] <wrksx> That's the unwanted traffic I'm talkin about
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1075[11:54:02] <petn-randall> wrksx: From where are you testing?
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1077[11:54:07] <tdn> What is the proper way of making a bootable netinst USB? Can I just dd if=debian-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX1? Or should it be of=/dev/sdX?
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1079[11:54:26] <wrksx> petn-randall, a computer not on the same network
1080[11:54:35] <petn-randall> tdn: `cp debian.iso /dev/sdx`, that's also the documented way in the release notes.
1081[11:54:47] <wrksx> petn-randall, I'l try to find some ufw logs
1082[11:55:08] <petn-randall> wrksx: What is the output of 'iptables -L -vn'? I'm not too familiar with ufw, but I know iptables that it builds on.
1083[11:55:11] <tdn> petn-randall, ok. Thanks.
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1086[11:55:47] <wrksx> petn-randall, wow it's a rather long output
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1094[11:58:58] <wrksx> petn-randall, Here it is
1095[11:58:59] <wrksx> replaced-url
1096[11:59:31] <wrksx> I can see some docker things inside, and the app I was talking about (trying to hide it) is runnin isnde a docker container
1097[11:59:50] <wrksx> So very nice idea to check iptable directly
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1104[12:00:49] <wrksx> I'm not familiar with iptables but it might be that docker set some iptables rules directly allowing that connection
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1106[12:01:30] <wrksx> I'm looking forward to hear your thoughts about this config, I'll try to understand what it means in the meantime. Thx for the help =)
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1110[12:04:34] <petn-randall> wrksx: Yes, that won't work well together. docker will change your iptables during runtime to accomodate for new containers, and your ufw won't notice this. So that setup is not feasible.
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1113[12:05:49] <petn-randall> wrksx: Also, you're technically FORWARDing that traffic to the docker container, while you've restricted traffic to the INPUT table, which is the local machine.
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1125[12:08:31] <omarek> Epakai: It doesn't work. I type 'at 1206' <ENTER>, it asks me to enter jobs, I type 'zenity --warning --text="blah blah blah"'. I press <CTRL>-D. Then I query pending jobs with atq. I see a job (but no command listed). The time passes, atq no longer shows a job, but no po-up appears.
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1135[12:11:07] <__m4ch1n3__> omarek, notify-send ?
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1140[12:14:28] <omarek> __m4ch1n3__: It's okay, and I see I can adjust expiration time and icon. I'll use it for some events like "VPN is down".
1141[12:14:55] <omarek> I would still like a way to send a more obnoxious alert for things like "End of my shift, I can go home now"
1142[12:15:15] <omarek> __m4ch1n3__: But thanks, it gives me a starting point to do some googling.
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1145[12:15:51] <omarek> I knew about cron, also about at, but 'watch' - cool.
1146[12:16:56] <hammer065> Hey
1147[12:17:43] <hammer065> What is the official solution if one managed to break his apt?
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1149[12:17:59] <kale> hammer065: show the error message
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1151[12:18:26] <hammer065> From ArchLinux I know I can specify the root folder which should be used but I dont find something like that for apt
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1153[12:18:40] <hammer065> kale Well It misses its dyn libs
1154[12:18:55] <hammer065> Probably caused by an partial update or something
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1156[12:19:32] <hammer065> Which means I cant execute apt since the wrong version of glibc (for ex) is supplied
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1160[12:20:10] <petn-randall> !bat
1161[12:20:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1162[12:20:23] <petn-randall> hammer065: Try providing *all* of the info above in a single paste. ^^^
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1164[12:20:58] <wrksx> petn-randall, thx. Where in the paste I provided do you see the forwarding part ?
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1168[12:23:08] <petn-randall> wrksx: In the "Chain FORWARD" you can see where docker put its stuff. However, the settings you set are in the ufw-user-input chain, which is referenced from the INPUT chain.
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1172[12:26:24] <__m4ch1n3__> omarek, for network related stuff like trigger script on "VPN is down" would recommend network-manager dispatcher script
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1177[12:29:36] <hammer065> replaced-url
1178[12:29:48] <hammer065> As I said, library problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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1181[12:30:21] <wrksx> petn-randall, I never thought docker would act like that, good to know. Would you recommend to forget about ufw and directly manage iptables? Or is there any other iptable front end to iptables that would allow a better control
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1183[12:30:45] <petn-randall> hammer065: Sounds like you tried mixing several Debian releases. Your best bet is to reinstall and not do that again.
1184[12:30:49] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
1185[12:30:49] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1186[12:30:50] <wrksx> I'm thinking maybe it's just docker I need to configure
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1189[12:31:15] <petn-randall> wrksx: You can try setting those restrictions on forwarding, then it might work.
1190[12:31:41] <wrksx> petn-randall, I'll try to see if ufw can do that
1191[12:31:51] <wrksx> petn-randall, thx for the help, appriciate it
1192[12:31:59] <petn-randall> wrksx: you're welcome.
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1196[12:32:25] <hammer065> a reinstall is not an option. Is there no other way?
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1201[12:34:15] <__m4ch1n3__> omarek, replaced-url
1202[12:34:16] <petn-randall> hammer065: No.
1203[12:34:21] <hammer065> Like in ArchLinux, pacman has options like --sysroot where you can manually set folders, very useful for fixing a remote system (like with a live cd)
1204[12:34:37] <petn-randall> hammer065: Your system is fucked, I'm guessing you mixed stable and sid?
1205[12:34:47] <hammer065> So there is no such useful option in debian?
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1207[12:35:13] <petn-randall> hammer065: I'm sure if your system was fundamentally broken like this in Archlinux, that command wouldn't work, either.
1208[12:35:17] <__m4ch1n3__> its called "fresh install" in debian :D
1209[12:35:40] <hammer065> petn-randall No I didnt. Apparently a clonezilla pxe installation doesnt like updating its server
1210[12:35:56] <petn-randall> hammer065: Do you know how you reached this state?
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1213[12:37:35] <hammer065> petn-randall In archlinux I could simply throw in a livecd, do a system update for the mounted system and it'd be done
1214[12:37:42] <omarek> __m4ch1n3__: On a development machine, this looks to be a more complicated way. I could just do "ps -A | grep openvpn" and check if there's a question mark. What's the advantage?
1215[12:37:43] <hammer065> petn-randall Sure.
1216[12:38:18] <hammer065> I updated the server where I installed clonezilla. Now the pxe installation of the clients is broken
1217[12:38:42] <hammer065> Apparently it re-uses the libs from the server, which is absolutely stupid
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1220[12:39:49] <__m4ch1n3__> advantage is you dont have to ask if in a loop, dispatcher script is triggered everytime network status changes
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1223[12:40:52] <__m4ch1n3__> it passes the event as argument to dispatcher script, there is a vpn-up and vpn-down argument
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1237[12:45:25] <__m4ch1n3__> case "$2" in vpn-up) /somepath/dostuff.sh ;; vpn-down) /foo/bar/dootherstuff.sh ;; esac
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1249[12:50:25] <__m4ch1n3__> omarek, btw why not pgrep instead of ps -A | grep?
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1251[12:51:19] <__m4ch1n3__> pgrep -a returns process cmdline
1252[12:51:26] <petn-randall> hammer065: Seems like a more complicated setup. But whatever system image is being sent, it's got the package versions mixed up, it's not a clean stable image.
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1257[12:52:00] <tdn> I am suddenly getting these error when doing apt-get update on my own repository. I assume it is due to expired gpg key or something like that. What do I need to do to fix it? W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: replaced-url
1258[12:52:06] <tdn> EXPKEYSIG 97B626710E10E753
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1263[12:52:54] <__m4ch1n3__> add new key to repository, your key expired
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1266[12:55:12] <tdn> __m4ch1n3__, so I need to 1) generate a new key, 2) add it to my repository - by which you mean build and sign all the packages again, correct?
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1277[13:03:18] <__m4ch1n3__> tdn, guess it will not work without sign packages with new key, but im not rly familiar with running own repos
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1291[13:08:08] <__m4ch1n3__> gpg --armor --export keyowner/mail | gpg --list-packets | grep expire
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1335[13:47:24] <petn-randall> tdn: A better trick is to just change the expiration, export the pubkey and import it on the other machines using the repo.
1336[13:47:36] <petn-randall> tdn: Then again, cycling the keys sometimes is a good thing ... :)
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1370[14:06:29] <Exagone313> Hi, I launched apt dist-upgrade in a screen, then it asked me what I wanted to do for updating a file I edited, I chose to enter in a shell, I opened vim, and when I pressed ^Z my terminal got bugged, now that I've fg and quit vim I can't go back to apt dist-upgrade (nothing happens with ^D, can't type a command and ^C is just printed). Is there something I can do (except killing the shell I'm in, but will do that if no other solution)? Thanks for your help.
1371[14:07:34] <petn-randall> Exagone313: You can simply SIGTERM (don't use SIGKILL!) the apt/dpkg process.
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1375[14:10:38] <Exagone313> ok i've killed the said shell (the one started by apt/dpkg), but I wanted some other magic solution ^^
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1377[14:11:23] <Exagone313> oops, apt also don't take my input, need to kill it too :c
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1380[14:12:46] <petn-randall> Exagone313: Yes, just kill any remaining apt and dpkg processes, and you can continue from there. both tools are quite robust and can recover from there.
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1383[14:14:36] <Exagone313> I wonder if you get this kind of issue in tmux rather than screen
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1386[14:15:45] <petn-randall> Exagone313: I think so, I think STDIN gets closed when hitting ^Z and that breaks apt.
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1388[14:15:59] <petn-randall> Though it should exit more graceful than just sit there.
1389[14:16:36] <Exagone313> I wanted to background vim, not apt ^^
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1391[14:16:45] <Exagone313> I do this a lot, so it was unexpected
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1458[15:00:34] <annadane> how does elinks deal with cookies? i checked .config/elinks and there doesn't seem to be a folder or file or whatever for it
1459[15:00:42] <annadane> does it auto delete? save?
1460[15:02:14] <abrotman> I think it's per-session .. easy enough to test
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1464[15:04:31] <jelly> annadane: menu -> Setup -> Cookies -> Saving -> Edit
1465[15:04:54] <jelly> "there's a menu?"
1466[15:05:45] <jelly> (press F10, or mouse-click on the first line of the terminal)
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1468[15:06:01] <annadane> it does tell you when you first start it how to get to the menu
1469[15:06:54] <jelly> first started around or before 2004 so it's hard to remember
1470[15:07:46] <annadane> it says "escape", idk if F10 or mouse click also works
1471[15:08:17] <jelly> no ~/.config/elinks/ for me on stretch, just ~/.elinks/
1472[15:08:53] <annadane> oh yeah same
1473[15:08:58] <annadane> i was just being lazy and relying on memory
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1489[15:24:35] <thavlik> Hi folks! I am running a lil web server and trying to access it over LAN. From the computer that is hosting the service, I can log into it at localhost:8080 or 127.0.0.1:8000, but attempting to log in with 192.168.1.82:8080 (my local ip) does not work
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1492[15:25:03] <thavlik> Is this the router? How can I determine if the connection is making it through the router?
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1498[15:28:23] <petemc> thavlik: you can check if the web server is listening on all interfaces or just localhost - as root, run "netstat -puant | grep 80"
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1500[15:29:56] <dadabidet> annadane: I wanted to thank you, debian works well with the netinstall+nonfree wifi stuff
1501[15:30:00] <dadabidet> have a good week end!
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1514[15:39:28] <thavlik> petemc, tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 17862/node
1515[15:39:28] <thavlik> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:35600 127.0.0.1:8080 ESTABLISHED 2547/firefox-esr
1516[15:39:28] <thavlik> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 127.0.0.1:35600 ESTABLISHED 17862/node
1517[15:39:52] <thavlik> 0.0.0.0:* is all IPs I believe
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1520[15:42:51] <thavlik> iptables -S has this:
1521[15:42:52] <thavlik> -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 8080 -j ACCEPT
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1523[15:44:52] <Fox> thavlik: do you have other services on that box you can access via LAN ?
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1528[15:49:14] <RoyK> 0.0.0.0 is all IPv4 addresses, yes
1529[15:50:07] <RoyK> thavlik: but 127.0.0.1:8080 means it listens to port 8080 on only localhost
1530[15:50:35] <annadane> er... bash: java: command not found - do i need default-jre?
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1534[15:53:11] <jelly> no, but you need something that provides /usr/bin/java
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1537[15:53:27] <jelly> and installing default-jre is the easiest way to get it
1538[15:53:35] <annadane> i had thought it'd just be installed by default for whatever reason
1539[15:53:39] <annadane> oh well, installed, works now
1540[15:53:48] <jelly> yes. java in base!
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1543[15:54:37] <colo-work> NIRVANA
1544[15:54:43] <colo-work> except, negated
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1551[16:00:26] <z00kov> Hi Debian guys. Is there a specific channel for Debian Security ?
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1558[16:02:16] <annadane> i guess #debian-security on irc.oftc.net but if you have a question about it, this is the support channel
1559[16:02:27] <annadane> that channel is kind of specifically for the security team
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1565[16:06:27] <jelly> !ask
1566[16:06:28] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1568[16:07:12] <z00kov> annadane: ok thanks ; because I just wanna know if there is a specific maintenance on the security tracker website ? there is a 503
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1570[16:07:46] <ksk> z00kov: in general, a 503 rather indicates a temporal (overload) issue
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1576[16:10:08] <z00kov> ksk: I know :) I'm just here to have few informations
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1585[16:16:27] <jelly> z00kov: which specific URL are you getting a 503 on
1586[16:16:47] <z00kov> replaced-url
1587[16:16:55] <z00kov> * = any requested CVE
1588[16:17:30] <z00kov> eg. replaced-url
1589[16:18:12] <jelly> mooh, that ought to work and is an actual issue
1590[16:18:19] <jelly> s/mo//
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1627[16:32:37] <chicognu> I really need some patient help here. I downloaded Debian x64 940 DVD 9 with jigdo. Download is corrupted. Mount the corrupted file, and run jigdo again, with different mirror. Also corrupted. How to fix it without need to download all over again ?
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1629[16:33:25] <petn-randall> chicognu: What do you mean with "mount the corrupted file"? Do you mean the iso?
1630[16:33:30] <Barones> what is the discussion about interface naming in linux?
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1632[16:33:49] <petn-randall> Barones: You have to be waaay more specific for people to understand what you mean.
1633[16:34:08] <omarek> How do I get the 'util-linux' version of 'column' instead of 'bsdmainutils' ?
1634[16:34:15] <chicognu> petn-randall, yes, the iso. I mount it so can jigdo get the good files from it.
1635[16:34:42] <petn-randall> chicognu: You use the corrupted ISO for jigdo? I don't think that's a good iea.
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1637[16:35:21] <chicognu> petn-randall, there is a file to check all hash from that iso, so I can know what is corrupted ?
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1639[16:35:48] <Barones> sorry petn-randall , I mean, most interfaces are name as enp0s2, this would be the physical slot that the nic is plugged, right? but that is not intuitive, why does kernel naming scheme is not the default to all linux dist?
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1641[16:36:05] <Barones> like eth0, etc
1642[16:36:11] <chicognu> petn-randall, I did it on other Iso that was also corrupted and works... If there is a .torrent from that dvd it would be possible to download only the corrupted parts
1643[16:36:17] <petn-randall> Barones: Oh, you mean *network* interfaces. Those are predictable interface names.
1644[16:36:49] <petn-randall> !interface names
1645[16:36:49] <dpkg> Starting with <stretch>, network interface names have changed from the previous convention of eth0, eth1/wlan0, wlan1 to names based on the device vendor or driver. This has some upsides and some downsides. For more information and options, see replaced-url
1646[16:36:51] <petn-randall> Barones: ^^^
1647[16:36:58] <chicognu> petn-randall, I ready about rsync, but dunno what debian server have a rsync for that dvd
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1649[16:37:30] <Barones> wow, great petn-randall , thanks
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1654[16:38:24] <petn-randall> Barones: With eth0/eth1, it's fairly random which interface gets which name. If you change some config, all of a sudden it could be the other way around, with disasterous results.
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1658[16:41:51] <Barones> hmm, got it
1659[16:43:07] <somiaj> though there are ways (provided mac address don't change) to help with that, the old method used udev, the newer method uses systemd.link files
1660[16:43:22] <Barones> does the prefix "en" stands for ethernet in the naming scheme?
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1663[16:43:41] <somiaj> you could either use udev like in the old method or better yet, use systemd.link files to give names you are use to if wanted
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1665[16:44:06] <somiaj> Barones: yes, they are wired interfaces, and depending on if it is pci or usb, it will use either the pci slot or the mac address to fill out the rest of the details.
1666[16:44:17] <somiaj> look up perdicitable interface names to get good description on this in google
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1672[16:45:21] <Barones> systemd.link uses the same policy to interface naming scheme as udev ?
1673[16:46:15] <somiaj> not quite, udev used a udev rule, systemd.link is the replacement of that if you want to control the names, more than get the new generated names based on the hardware setup of your system
1674[16:46:40] <somiaj> but at some level the idea is the same, it uses info about the device and assigns it a set name
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1678[16:48:35] <[Outcast]> hey I am having trouble with building my own package . I think I have built the package correctly but when I run dpkg-scanpackages against it can't match the architecture. Any ideas on what I might be doing wrong?
1679[16:48:57] <Barones> cool, nice, I'm going try to use systemd
1680[16:49:06] <somiaj> Barones: man systemd.link
1681[16:49:15] <Barones> haah, sorry
1682[16:49:56] <somiaj> [Outcast]: what package are you trying to build?
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1695[16:54:45] <Barones> thanks somiaj
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1699[16:55:25] <[Outcast]> @somiaj it is a custom package, with single binary.
1700[16:55:38] <[Outcast]> somiaj: it is a custom package, with single binary.
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1703[16:56:15] <chicognu> Any one here who hava a debian-9.4.0-amd64-DVD-9.iso can kindle create a torrent from it and share for some minutes just to fix my broken .iso ? It will not take a lot of download time, or data consumption.
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1705[16:57:28] <somiaj> is the binary being compiled for a specific arch? wonder if it is an issue with your debian/control file, but anyways I would check the debian new matainers guide, or ask in #packaging on irc.oftc.net
1706[16:57:47] <somiaj> chicognu: any reason you need that dvd, most would not need dvd-9, as by that time the packages there are rarely used.
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1708[16:57:59] <somiaj> chicognu: if you need it and you can't seem to get it from any torrent seeds, use jidigo
1709[16:58:08] <[Outcast]> the binary was built for amd64
1710[16:58:30] <[Outcast]> the control file says Architecture: amd64
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1712[16:58:38] <[Outcast]> but still won't match
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1715[16:59:51] <somiaj> chicognu: but most only need the first few dvds and then the rare package they need that isn't on them, they can just download the package from the internet using apt
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1718[17:00:13] <somiaj> [Outcast]: I would ask in #packaging, and often you want Architecture: any, and then that gets replaced with the arch that actaully built the package.
1719[17:00:56] <chicognu> somiaj, that is the problem. I already use jigdo two times for that dvd, and both result in corrupted download. I don't want to download all it again. Other option would be rsync but dunno if there is dvd 9 in rsync in any server.
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1721[17:01:56] <somiaj> debian often doesn't build the higher dvds due to bandwidth/space limitations and that so few people would actually use it.
1722[17:01:56] <petn-randall> chicognu: somiaj is saying that you likely don't need that DVD.
1723[17:02:05] <chicognu> somiaj, also found a full iso set, but don't wget don't fix it, because filesize is corrected but not the sum
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1726[17:02:32] <somiaj> as for why jidigo isn't building that dvd correctly, almost sounds like a bug in the jdigio file.
1727[17:02:59] <chicognu> somiaj, and also I don't have internet where I live... so I'm download the complete set with jigdo
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1729[17:03:43] <somiaj> even with offline access, you most likely don't need all the dvd's
1730[17:03:54] <somiaj> of the 20,000+ packages debian providse most users only use 3000 or so
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1733[17:04:15] <chicognu> somiaj, it is possible, jigdo complains about non us repository, but non us is out dated since sarge... should not complain about that
1734[17:04:24] <somiaj> so finding a copy of that dvd if the .torrent file or jidigo is failing is not going to be an easy task
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1740[17:05:47] <[Outcast]> ok thanks somiaj
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1751[17:10:12] <chicognu> somiaj, there is any file in dvd or some where else with hashes of all files in dvd ?
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1755[17:12:37] <somiaj> not that I know of. Personally even for an offline install, I would just not worry about any of the dvds 9 or bigger unless you run into software you know you need that is on them.
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1770[17:18:06] <kirk781> Are you trying to download all images from debian.org or what?
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1836[17:53:14] <Trel> I'm connected to a Debian machine and I'm trying to open the vim gui version with x11 forwarding. I know it's working because xcalc works, but every thing I try with vim, is opening the cli version.
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1843[17:56:51] <greycat> First obvious thing: is the graphical vim package actually installed? Are you typing "gvim" to launch it?
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1846[17:58:55] <greycat> I don't use a graphical editor myself, but "apt-cache search --names-only vim" shows me vim-gtk, vim-gtk3, vim-athena and who knows what else
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1855[18:00:36] <petn-randall> Trel: 'vim' likely points to the non-GUI version, /usr/bin/vim is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vim. Use `update-alternatives` if you want to change the default. Or use `gvim`.
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1869[18:07:31] <AndreasLutro> using debian stable but with a newer kernel from backports I can't use fuse - dmesg says "Unknown symbol refcount_dec_and_test (err 0)". I guess there's nothing I can do about this, just have to use the older kernel?
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1871[18:08:09] <jelly> ,v sc
1872[18:08:10] <judd> Package: sc on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.16-3; jessie: 7.16-4; stretch: 7.16-4+b2; buster: 7.16-4+b3; sid: 7.16-4+b3
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2042[19:43:49] <alex1216> Hello. I just need to tether my laptop Internet connection to an elder Ethernet-connected laptop.
2043[19:44:03] <alex1216> What do I have to set except IPv4?
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2046[19:44:53] <petn-randall> alex1216: DNS?
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2048[19:45:41] <petn-randall> Does "IPv4" also including routing and/or NAT for you?
2049[19:45:41] <alex1216> petn-randall: it's 8.8.8.8 and etc everywhere
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2051[19:46:08] <alex1216> IP, netmask, default gateway, DNS.
2052[19:46:19] <petn-randall> so no.
2053[19:46:33] <petn-randall> alex1216: How far did you get with setting it up yet?
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2055[19:47:20] <alex1216> LAN works okay, but no Internet on the tethered laptop.
2056[19:48:39] <petn-randall> alex1216: Can you ping 8.8.8.8 from both laptops?
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2058[19:50:00] <alex1216> petn-randall: Yes, only from "host".
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2061[19:52:57] <petn-randall> alex1216: Ah, so you haven't set up any forwarding or bridging yet. What subnet is the new latop on, and what subnet the old one?
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2063[19:54:34] <Quatroking> Hi
2064[19:54:36] <alex1216> petn-randall: "Host" is 192.168.43.0/24 in "WAN" and 192.168.2.1/30 in LAN, client is 192.168.2.2.
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2066[19:54:57] <Quatroking> Is there a way to set debian up so it installs just about anything, but does the main user account on boot?
2067[19:55:19] <Quatroking> so I could make an image that only requires me to enter a username and have the account creation happen there an there and be done with the whole shebang
2068[19:55:39] <Quatroking> or am I going the wrong way regarding easy rollout of new VM's
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2071[19:57:47] <petn-randall> alex1216: Ok, then you just need to enable IP forwarding, and add the right rules to the iptables NAT table.
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2076[20:00:18] <alex1216> petn-randall: Okay, thanks.
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2100[20:24:02] <samnob> Quatroking: Other distros have implemented such a thing, but AFAIU Debian has not despite perennial discussion, e.g: replaced-url
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2102[20:24:30] <Quatroking> dang
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2105[20:25:27] <Quatroking> Didn't know about ubuntu's oem config tool though, I might look into that, thanks
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2119[20:36:30] <oo_miguel_oo> hi
2120[20:36:33] <oo_miguel_oo> does the kernel buffer the "device-events" and waits until udev is started? Or what happens to devices discovered by the kernel before the udev-deamon is started?
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2177[21:18:49] <namll> what is a good way to check system information?
2178[21:19:04] <namll> model number, cpu, gput
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2180[21:19:55] <greycat> model number is unobtainable through software, in general -- ask the person who is sitting in front of the machine to look for one on the case
2181[21:20:03] <greycat> CPUs: cat /proc/cpuinfo
2182[21:20:12] <greycat> GPUs and other PCI devices: lspci -nn
2183[21:20:46] <namll> what about bluetooth support?
2184[21:20:48] <somiaj> lshw is good, and so is dmidecode
2185[21:20:56] <somiaj> you can often get model numbers from that
2186[21:21:50] <somiaj> lshw nicely tells me what dell model I have, though a lot of this depends on the firmware (bios/efi) of the system.
2187[21:21:56] <somiaj> sometimes all you can get is mobo info
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2189[21:22:16] <namll> thanks, this was useful info.
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2270[22:28:10] <ksk> on servers dmidecode (-t system) can sometimes give you a serial.
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2290[22:43:10] <oo_miguel_oo> .quit
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2319[22:59:04] <psichas> replaced-url
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2328[23:04:17] <FinalX> psichas: dofile() executes entire Lua-scripts, Wireshark plugins are often written by third-party developers and a lot of them have proven to be malware-infiltrated. You do not want to be running external scripts that might be compromising your system, and running them as a superuser is just asking for trouble. That's why dofile() is disabled as superuser.. run it as any other user.
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2332[23:06:28] <psichas> so this message report me but its not problem, ty great answer FinalX
2333[23:07:40] <psichas> and i dont use any plugins just turn it on ... :)
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2350[23:18:57] <kale> i am hvaing trouble getting nvidia-driver going. nvidia.ko is not found afterwards the nvidia kernel module is not loaded.
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2374[23:34:09] <somiaj> kale: how have you tried to isntall the driver? What version of debain are you running.
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2378[23:34:37] <kale> somiaj: figure out the cmd on the wiki did not pull the linux headers for my kernel
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2380[23:34:56] <kale> so once i got the headers i could reconfigure dkms
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2382[23:35:44] <somiaj> I usually follow
2383[23:35:50] <somiaj> !nvidia dkms
2384[23:35:50] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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2403[23:42:22] <kale> now xrandr only detect 1920x1080 is that normal?
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2405[23:43:28] <somiaj> it will use the edid of your monitor and give you resolutions your monintor reports it can use
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2411[23:47:16] <kale> looks like nvidia driver prevents this
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2413[23:47:42] <kale> im an using gtx 660m
2414[23:47:51] <phogg> prevents what?
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2417[23:48:15] <kale> xrandr getting the correct edid info
2418[23:48:16] <somiaj> it is a combination of the video cards and monintors edid for resolutions automatically detected
2419[23:48:53] <somiaj> paste your xorg.log, it should be getting the edid info correctly, some monintors only support a very limited number of resolutions according to their edid
2420[23:48:55] <phogg> kale: EDID information can rarely be missing or wrong (more likely if you use a KVM or the like)
2421[23:49:17] <somiaj> also if using uefi, it could be using info from that.
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2424[23:49:55] <phogg> you can always set whatever you want in xorg.conf
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2428[23:50:46] <kale> Xorg.0.log replaced-url
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2432[23:53:44] <somiaj> also share your xorg.conf file and any file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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2438[23:56:13] <kale> that would be 20-nvidia.conf and synaptics.conf
2439[23:56:56] <somiaj> well share them all, also including xorg.conf file, the log seems to suggest you ahd one
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2443[23:58:41] <kale> i have put a new Xorg.0.log there. i have deleted xorg.conf
2444[23:59:11] <somiaj> ahh okay, either ways hare the conf files, they talk about layouts and the like
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