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48[00:20:58] <kus-n6> hi love, I'm trying to use node js
install without sudo. for this, I typed prefix = ~/.node but I get
prefix command not found
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50[00:21:32] <MinecrafMoron> HELP! ALL THE MONKEYS ARE STARVING
TO DEATH!
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51[00:21:47] <kus-n6> oh no
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54[00:22:03] <MinecrafMoron> and the Jews have chopped down the
banana trees
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56[00:22:19] <MinecrafMoron> Someone has stolen my banana
machine, the magical device that makes bananas
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57[00:22:32] <MinecrafMoron> Which one of you stole the banana
machine?
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59[00:23:38] <MinecrafMoron> At some point, I will be sending a
/notice to all the channels on all the networks using a Bot Net.
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72[00:31:27] <benoit_> kk
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73[00:31:28] <DongNet> i am awesome
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74[00:31:33] <DongNet> fat nigger
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75[00:31:45] <sypher> !ops DongNet spamming.
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76[00:31:45] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: sypher complains
about: DongNet spamming.
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77[00:32:08] <benoit_> trolling on #debian
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79[00:32:13] <benoit_> your life must be empty
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82[00:33:56] <dmtd> Hi all, on KDE Neon (based on debian), and
can't control spotify via MPRIS D-bus. Getting this error. Any
advice?
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83[00:34:24] <missmbob> !based on debian
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84[00:34:24] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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85[00:34:52] <dmtd> got it thanks. Sorry.
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88[00:35:38] <alekz> a Neon problem, pasted in an ubuntu tool,
asking for help in a Debian channel
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89[00:35:40] <alekz> :o
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92[00:36:46] <dmtd> why does it matter what paste tool I use?
haha but I get the joke
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94[00:37:31] <missmbob> dmtd: you should try #kde-neon
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95[00:38:19] <dmtd> missmbob: Thank you so much
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97[00:40:09] <alekz> dmtd: yeah, just kidding :P
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99[00:40:47] <dmtd> alekz: :P
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101[00:42:12] <alekz> dmtd: have you already checked this link?
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102[00:42:21] <alekz> same problem, but marked as solved
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119[00:51:25] <pr0t> Is there absolutely no way to install
Puppet 4 on Debian 8?
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127[00:53:16] <abrotman> pr0t: using what method?
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128[00:53:30] <pr0t> debian packages
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129[00:54:02] <missmbob> pr0t: they provide jessie packages
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131[00:54:14] <abrotman> dpkg: staples button
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132[00:54:14] <dpkg> abrotman: bugger all, i dunno
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133[00:54:48] <missmbob> pr0t: anyway, also ask in #puppet
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142[00:59:58] <setuid> Does anyone know of a package like Dragon
for Mac (voice control of apps and dictation) for Linux?
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144[01:00:13] <setuid> Something _literally_ that simple, not
something I have to write 1,000 perl and shell scripts to use
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148[01:01:18] <setuid> There's a difference between voice
control and speech recognition. I'm looking for voice control.
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150[01:01:49] <rapha> Hi!
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152[01:02:04] <rapha> What does "Debian+-" mean in the
process list (as in
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153[01:02:26] <setuid> This looks "close":
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155[01:03:14] <abrotman> missmbob: there are also jessie BPO
packages AFAICT?
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158[01:03:50] <missmbob> abrotman: oh. didn't know about
that
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162[01:05:15] <abrotman> judd: versions puppet
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163[01:05:17] <judd> Package: puppet on amd64 --
wheezy-security: 2.7.23-1~deb7u3; wheezy: 2.7.23-1~deb7u3;
wheezy-backports: 3.7.2-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.7.2-4;
jessie-backports: 4.8.2-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2-3; sid: 4.8.2-3
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196[01:23:27] <Epakai> rapha: I think that's the username
column, the + indicates the username is longer than would fit in
that column, 'grep Debian /etc/passwd' would probably give
you the full username
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202[01:24:44] <Livingroom> question: copying to external USB3
drive, using LS -LH to monitor - seems to copy in (slow) but huge
blocks. shows 141m for several minutes, then jumps to 202mb. TL;DR
file copy to USB3.0 HD is ungodly slow.
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219[01:28:18] <kline> Livingroom, you said it was a question but
then didnt ask anything, just make a statement
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227[01:30:38] <Livingroom> kline: oops, sorry. update: using DD,
with iflag=direct and oflag=direct, it hauls ass. but CP command
takes many hours. i guess my question is "why"
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228[01:30:48] <setuid> Livingroom: Sounds like your controller
buffering, or you're using an inefficient app to copy
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242[01:35:08] <Livingroom> because of reasons, i will not be
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262[01:44:12] <jelly> Livingroom: which debian release is this,
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265[01:45:15] <jelly> musta scared'em right off
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385[02:43:55] <casin> I'm using debian
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497[03:20:45] <hyperreal> Has a release data been set for Debian
9?
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503[03:26:18] <missmbob> hyperreal: no
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the # of rc bugs (the green line) get to 0
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626[04:27:40] <deitario1> I'm trying to get nginx to run
un-privileged but it's dying with "bind() to 0.0.0.0:80
failed (13: Permission denied)" despite my having
`CapabilityBoundingSet=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE` and
`AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE` in my custom
nginx.service... a configuration which a Gentoo user reported as
allowing it on their system.
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631[04:29:41] <deitario1> Oh, wait. I think I just realized
what's going on. Ambient capabilities were apparently added in
Kernel 4.3 and my Jessie is still on 3.16.
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633[04:30:20] <missmbob> deitario1: jessie-backports has 4.9,
fyi
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636[04:31:39] <deitario1> missmbob: Hmm. I'll have to think
about whether to add that to my ansible playbook then. In your
experience, is it lower-effort to maintain a VPS with or without
-backports?
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638[04:32:23] <missmbob> deitario1: definitely with
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640[04:32:51] <missmbob> !jessie-backports
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641[04:32:51] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian
9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found
in the "jessie-backports" repository. See
replaced-url
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642[04:33:27] <missmbob> read the instructions. you have to use
-t jessie-backports when wanting to pull packages from it
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646[04:35:46] <deitario1> If I have to opt into specific
packages, what in -backports makes maintaining a VPS easier and how?
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650[04:37:17] <missmbob> same way backports makes anything
easier. if you need updated version of packages, like you need of
the kernel, you dont have to compile it and maintain updates to it
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651[04:38:02] <missmbob> deitario1: it has a newer version of
nginx, for example
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652[04:38:28] <missmbob> ,v nginx
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653[04:38:29] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4;
wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4;
jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports:
1.10.3-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.10.3-1; stretch: 1.10.3-1; experimental:
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654[04:38:38] <missmbob> 1.10.3
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659[04:39:48] <deitario1> In other words, if I'm willing to
use an alternative to AmbientCapabilities like `setcap
'cap_net_bind_service=+ep' /usr/sbin/nginx`, then doing it
now would just be extra work now for potential future gain.
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664[04:41:04] <deitario1> I'll just add the setcap line to
my ansible playbook, gated on ansible_kernel starting with
"3." and leave -backports for when I have a more
significant need for it.
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dansguardian ? what do you prefer and why and which projects are
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<email-address>
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1008[08:53:59] <andrew2221> Hi everyone. A quick question. I have
a Debian8 and a Debian9 installs on the same hard disk. Boot flag is
on Debian9. I want to get rid of Debian8 and merge the partitions.
It is safe to do so? Will Grub work if I delete the Debian8
partition?
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1013[08:56:24] <epsilon> if grub is installed on disk (/dev/sda)
and not on partition (dev/sda1), then yes
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1016[08:57:10] <andrew2221> epsilon, how can I check if it's
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1018[08:57:56] <epsilon> you get grub as only bootloader if you
boot, right?
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1019[08:58:07] <epsilon> then it's on disk
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1020[08:59:13] <andrew2221> epsilon, yes, and when I boot I have
options in Grub for both Debians.. So I guess you're right..
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1021[09:00:13] <andrew2221> Well, if I am not coming back today,
you'll know why.. :)) Just that this is a workstation at my
job, and don't want to risk lose something.. Thank you very
much.
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1023[09:00:36] <epsilon> dont' forget to make backup
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1030[09:06:43] <andrew2221> epsilon, right, rule #1 of IT, always
have backup copies. :)
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1056[09:20:32] <oohhoo> hello
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1058[09:20:40] <theluckymike> is there a way to shut down eth
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1060[09:22:28] <oohhoo> is it posible to get a history of package
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1062[09:22:29] <oohhoo> ?
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1067[09:25:41] <thereyougo> how to make "top" show
amount of swap or RAM in human readable form ? like "ls
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1070[09:27:01] <LiuYan> thereyougo: alternative: 'htop'
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1075[09:28:40] <thereyougo> no
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1076[09:28:51] <thereyougo> I want "top"
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1078[09:29:01] <jer0me> good morning #debian, do we have some
sort of acpi script collection to provide common actions for various
vendors? Like thinkpads, macs. etc? For some reason, volume and
brightness are not handled by default as it seems.
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1081[09:29:19] <jer0me> acpi-support is pretty poor.
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1087[09:30:15] <oohhoo> ?
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1088[09:30:27] <awal1> oohhoo,
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1090[09:30:46] <LiuYan> thereyougo: `man top` said you can press
'E' to switch the unit ...
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1092[09:31:39] <thereyougo> when I press "E" it says:
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1093[09:31:44] <thereyougo> Unknown command - try 'h'
for help
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1098[09:33:14] <coke> top -M
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1103[09:34:30] <coke> if E doesnt work .. i can never figure out
where what does and doesnt work
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1104[09:35:03] <awal1> top then press E as you have been told
thereyougo
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1105[09:35:11] <awal1> E, not e
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1110[09:36:55] <awal1> you can press several times E for get the
unit you want
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1123[09:49:38] <thereyougo> in this version it doesn't work:
"procps-ng version 3.3.3" but in these versions it works:
"procps-ng 3.3.12", also I tryed "top -M" and it
says: "unknown option 'M'"
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1169[10:19:24] <sequos> hi
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1174[10:21:22] <coke> thereyougo: apparently the world needs 100
different kinds of top
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1180[10:24:19] <thereyougo> so there is apparently
"procps" and "procps-ng" versions of packages
that has "top" in it
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1183[10:26:03] <awal1> htop is a better alternative
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1185[10:26:12] * LiuYan don't see procps-ng package in debian
unstable. `apt-file search /bin/top` doesn't show procps-ng
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1187[10:28:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't see procps-ng in
stable either
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1189[10:28:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions procps-ng
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1190[10:28:20] <judd> No package named 'procps-ng' was
found in amd64.
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1191[10:28:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> what version of debian is this?
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1195[10:29:36] <oohhoo> awal1: is it posible to get history of
all version from comand line in that format
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1196[10:29:38] <oohhoo>
replaced-url
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1249[10:45:02] <iveqy> I've set up a reprerpo server and it
all works fine until I've added jessie-backports as an update
to that server. It looks like reprepro doesn't find the
packages I want from the jessie-backports mirror, rendering my
reprepro missing certain packages (openjdk-8 for example)
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1261[10:49:41] <thereyougo> LiuYan: if you run "top -v"
what it says ?
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1263[10:50:29] <LiuYan> thereyougo: procps-ng 3.3.12
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1265[10:50:59] <sw-tritum> hi, systemd232-20 fixed #787028 but
now won't boot setups with luks containing a randomly encrypted
swap. is there a webinterface to file bugreports?
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1266[10:51:00] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1271[10:54:07] <petn-randall> sw-tritum: Is this on jessie?
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1272[10:54:18] <thereyougo> so "cat /etc/issue" says
its: "Debian GNU/Linux 8", and "lsb_release -a"
says: "Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie)", now,
when I run "top -v" it says: "procps-ng version
3.3.9", and here "E" works
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1274[10:54:45] <petn-randall> sw-tritum: The bug tracker is
handled via mail. You can use the 'reportbug' tool to file
bugs or search for them.
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1275[10:54:58] <thereyougo> LiuYan: so its "procps-ng",
how is that there is no such package "procps-ng" ?
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1277[10:55:11] <thereyougo> then what is it ?
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1278[10:56:00] <petn-randall> thereyougo: You probably have it
installed from some 3rd party repo.
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1279[10:56:18] <petn-randall> OR you're not running Debian,
but some derivative.
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1280[10:56:33] <thereyougo> "lsb_release -a" says:
"Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie)"
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1281[10:56:43] <TomTomTosch> noe, it's fine. debian packages
procps-ng as procps
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1288[10:59:08] <shtrb> sw-tritum , are you telling me the system
blocks or the swap doesn't open ?
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1291[11:01:04] <sw-tritum> initrd won't boot, waiting for
swap to become available
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1295[11:01:53] <shtrb> :-/
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1297[11:02:11] <sw-tritum> using kernel 4.8 with old initrd as
workaround
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1299[11:02:53] <sw-tritum> hope i narrowed it down correctly,
next i'll try to disable swap in fstab/crypttab and rebuild
initrd for 4.9.0.2
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1300[11:03:23] <shtrb> can you try with forcing the swap to use a
passphrase by user instead of reading a key ?
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1305[11:04:08] <sw-tritum> petn-randall: nope, testing with
systemd 232-22, image 4.9.18-1, initramfs-tools 0.128
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1307[11:05:06] <sw-tritum> shtrb: i'll try that, too. report
back here after lunch :)
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1308[11:05:23] <Waheedi> 'm trying to build libboost 1.49 on
ubuntu 16.04 and I'm having two targets failing. recipe for
target 'build-stamp' and recipe for target
'clean'
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1310[11:06:20] <shtrb> Waheedi , that's not #ubuntu
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1312[11:06:42] <Waheedi> shtrb: its debian related
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1314[11:06:49] <Waheedi> the rules are debian rules
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1316[11:07:16] <Waheedi> shtrb do you know that?
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1320[11:08:15] <shtrb> unless you are building it on debian , the
tools used (and package versions) on ubuntu are different
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1321[11:08:28] <Waheedi> shtrb: thats right
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1322[11:08:46] <mjau^> hi folks! I've tried to read the
manual but feel a little bit unclear on this: what's the
difference between safe-upgrade and full-upgrade?
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1332[11:12:46] <greenit> hi, i'd like to use ufw in debian
(unstable). do i have to deal with other firewalls (ufw is for
iptables-config afaik) first if i want to use it?
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1336[11:16:16] <oohhoo> does debian snapshot has any API
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1347[11:20:48] <zeitsofa>
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1348[11:21:12] <petn-randall> greenit: Only if you have other
firewalls installed. They all act on iptables as this is the only
firewall interface in the kernel.
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1356[11:24:12] <greenit> is there another one installed by
default? i didn't expicitly install one until now petn-randall
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1357[11:24:22] <petn-randall> greenit: no
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1358[11:24:38] <greenit> ok, so i should be good to go with ufw,
thanks :)
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1368[11:29:18] <dez> debian-multimidia broke my vlc and i dunno
what to do to fix it anymore
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1372[11:30:03] <petn-randall> !deb-multimedia
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1373[11:30:04] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
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1374[11:30:22] <dez> i already removed it
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1378[11:31:15] <dez> !dmm jessie
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1379[11:31:15] <dpkg> If you really need deb-multimedia.org (are
you sure your information isn't five years out of date?), then
(as root): echo "deb
replaced-url
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1380[11:31:52] <petn-randall> dez: You need to remove any
packages you installed from dmm and replace them by the Debian
packages.
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1382[11:32:16] <dez> i used the debian wiki to find the packages
i installed from them
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1383[11:32:24] <dez> the commands listed there
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1385[11:32:29] <dez> but i cant find any anymore
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1386[11:32:43] <sine0> when editing files inside of apache on my
server i always save files move dirs etc and it saves as root and i
have to chmod -R 775 chown -R
replaced-url
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1387[11:33:16] <petn-randall> sine0: Don't edit them as
root?
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1388[11:33:53] <sine0> ok so then i add my reg user to the
replaced-url
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1389[11:34:32] <petn-randall> sine0: What is your "reg
user"?
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1390[11:34:45] <sine0> sine
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1395[11:35:37] <sine0> i want that user to be able to create and
edit files
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1396[11:36:07] <sine0> i guess i just amke the files one time and
chmod to
replaced-url
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1402[11:37:18] <petn-randall> sine0: Why does your apache need to
write to those files?
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1404[11:37:28] <hexhaxtron> Is this line correct to allow user
king to run mongo as root? king ALL=(ALL) /usr/bin/mongo
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1405[11:37:45] <sine0> never mind, i put on my big boy pants and
did it
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1410[11:39:23] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: Try it and see. It
sounds like you're approached a problem from the wrong angle,
though.
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1412[11:40:15] <blackflow> sine0: I'd advise you create a
general user you log in with, don't use
replaced-url
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1415[11:43:04] <user11_> hi. could someone help me fix my swap
partition? this is the error I am getting when my computer starts
replaced-url
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1418[11:43:54] <user11_> it is a fresh installation
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1419[11:45:17] <petn-randall> user11_: Did you see the details
yet?
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1421[11:49:22] <user11_> petn-randall: swapon[248]: swapon:
/dev/sda3: read swap header failed | systemd[1]: dev-sda3.swap swap
process exited, code=exited status=255 | systemd[1]: Failed to
activate swap Swap Partition. | systemd[1]: Unit dev-sda3.swap
entered failed state.
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1423[11:51:40] <user11_> Loaded: loaded | Active: failed (Result:
exit-code) since <date> | What: /dev/sda3 | Docs:
man:systemd-gtp-auto-generator(8) | Process: 248
ExecActivate=/sbin/swapon /dev/sda3 (code=exited, status=255)
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1426[11:51:55] <petn-randall> user11_: Looks like sda3 isn't
formatted as swap. Did you manually partition the system?
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1427[11:52:08] <user11_> petn-randall: yes I did it manually
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1430[11:54:16] <petn-randall> user11_: Did you format it with
mkswap?
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1432[11:55:34] <user11_> petn-randall: oh no, I used the
installation with the graphics
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1434[11:55:45] <user11_> petn-randall: but I did it manually
using it
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1437[11:56:08] <Jubei> I'm totally confused about upstart,
systemv, systemd... which one is the latest/most modern?
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1438[11:56:21] <petn-randall> Jubei: systemd is the one used by
default in Debian.
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1439[11:56:53] <dez> petn-randall, any idea on how should i
proceed?
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1440[11:57:23] <petn-randall> dez: How did you prepare the
installation image?
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1442[11:57:46] <dez> prepare the installation image?
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1443[11:58:19] <petn-randall> dez: Yes, how did you install?
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1445[11:59:06] <dez> deb-multimidia stuff?
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1447[11:59:15] <dez> through the terminal i think
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1449[11:59:39] <dez> but ive uninstalled everything i installed
since then and also followed the instructions on the wiki
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1450[11:59:40] <petn-randall> dez: Oh sorry, mixed up some users
in here.
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1452[12:00:31] <dez> im the idiot who broke his system with
deb-multimidia
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1453[12:00:41] <petn-randall> !dmm remove
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1454[12:00:41] <dpkg> If you want to remove the packages from
deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian
repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends
$(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial
Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm
repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f;
install the still missing packages which were removed in the former
process ...
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1455[12:00:47] <petn-randall> dez: You could try this ^^^
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1456[12:00:48] <dez> vlc dont work on a specific codec
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1460[12:01:12] <dez> theres nothing in the unofficial multimedia
packages thing
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1463[12:01:37] <blackflow> Are security fixes to Jessie blocked
or slowed down during the freeze of Stretch?
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1465[12:01:46] <petn-randall> blackflow: no
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1466[12:02:47] <dez> is the last one really that or an unicode
error? -F%p)
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1467[12:02:53] <petn-randall> blackflow: However, security fixes
to *stretch* are slowed down during the freeze of stretch..
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1468[12:03:45] <petn-randall> dez: I'm assuming you should
type it exactly as like it's there.
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1469[12:03:46] <dez> dpkg: error: --remove needs at least one
package name argument
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1470[12:03:46] <dpkg> dez: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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1471[12:03:49] <blackflow> petn-randall: yeah but I'm
wondering about Jessie for now, there's a rather nasty remote
vuln for bind9 already fixed upstream and in ubuntu, was wondering
when it'll land in Jessie.
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1472[12:04:20] <petn-randall> blackflow: CVE?
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1473[12:04:32] <blackflow> petn-randall: CVE-2017-3137
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1475[12:04:56] <blackflow> there are 4 open vulns in total for
bind9 but I'm mostly interested in fixing -3137
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1476[12:05:33] <petn-randall> blackflow:
replaced-url
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1477[12:05:35] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1479[12:05:51] <petn-randall> Hmm, a simple DoS. I'm
guessing it's being worked on.
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1480[12:05:52] <blackflow> petn-randall: yeah
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1486[12:07:51] <user11_> petn-randall: i've been thinking
that there may be something wrong with crypttab or fstab. could you
read those if i were to post?
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1495[12:12:18] <petn-randall> user11_:
replaced-url
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1516[12:21:38] <user11_> petn-randall: fstab:
replaced-url
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1521[12:24:35] <user11_> petn-randall: crypttab
replaced-url
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1523[12:25:37] <user11_> i removed the ID's because they
seem unique and i don't know what they mean
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1524[12:26:06] <petn-randall> user11_: Oh, they're
*encrypted*!
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1525[12:26:48] <user11_> petn-randall: yes. the debian page
installation guide suggest that users encrypt /home, /tmp and swap
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1526[12:27:35] <petn-randall> user11_: I would have just used
guided partitioning, picked "encrypted LVM", and then
everything would have been on the LVM.
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1530[12:29:11] <petn-randall> user11_: The error you showed
somehow suggests that systemd is thinking the swap is on /dev/sda3,
whereas it is on /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt.
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1532[12:29:51] <user11_> petn-randall: same for tmp?
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1534[12:30:22] <petn-randall> user11_: Probably.
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1535[12:30:45] <user11_> petn-randall: ok thanks. i will try that
and if it won't work i will use LVM
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1536[12:30:51] <petn-randall> user11_: Using a randomly encrypted
swap will prevent you from being able to suspend to disk, though.
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1538[12:31:16] <user11_> petn-randall: suspend to disk?
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1539[12:31:16] <petn-randall> user11_: If you have the time to
spare I'd reinstall and use the guided, encrypted LVM.
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1541[12:32:05] <petn-randall> user11_: It saves the system state
to swap and powers off the machine. On resume you'll start off
where you were before the suspend.
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1542[12:32:18] <petn-randall> user11_: Sometimes it's called
"hibernate".
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1544[12:35:02] <user11_> petn-randall: changed sda3_crypt
/dev/sda3 to sda3_crypt /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt and it's still
giving me the error. maybe i should reinstall as you suggested
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1546[12:35:23] <user11_> thank you for saving the day once more,
petn-randall
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1553[12:39:27] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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1554[12:39:48] <JyZyXEL> does debian have GPU stress tester?
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1558[12:42:35] <user11_> petn-randall: by the way, swap has no
mounting point? I though it was a file
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1560[12:42:57] <thereyougo> JyZyXEL: for i in {1..1000}; do
glxgears & done
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1561[12:43:32] <JyZyXEL> im not sure that would put a good even
stress on the gpu?
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1562[12:43:36] <sypher> I somehow don't think that glxgears
is a good stress test.
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1599[12:57:38] <blackflow> JyZyXEL: run some modern game in
maximum graphics quality settings? :)
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1603[12:58:58] <JyZyXEL> blackflow: i found "Unigine Valley
benchmark" and "geeks3d gputest" that have binaries
for linux
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1604[12:59:34] <blackflow> there's also that phoronix
benchmarking thing that can do similar
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1608[13:00:45] <JyZyXEL> hmm, ill try that first since i have the
most trust for phoronix
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1609[13:01:35] <blackflow> "trust" and
"phoronix" in the same sentence, oh my! :)
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1610[13:01:51] <BluesKaj> JyZyXEL: good luck with that ;-)
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1611[13:02:38] <JyZyXEL> michael would be shooting himself in the
foot if he put something malicious in the test suite
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1633[13:07:28] <Cookies> SHit
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1634[13:07:35] <Cookies> Anywone here
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1636[13:07:57] <BluesKaj> no shit here
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1660[13:16:35] <thereyougo> "trust" and
"phoronix" in the same sentence, what is wrong with
"phoronix" ? and why is "phoronix" by the way ?
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1669[13:19:11] <blackflow> thereyougo: it's a benchmarking
suite that's quite questionable from the standpoing of
statistical sciences
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1670[13:19:14] <leo-unglaub> hey friends, since 3 days i have a
problem with php fpm. Around every 24 hours the process dies and i
have to manually restaret it again
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1671[13:19:16] <blackflow> *standpoint
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1672[13:19:21] <leo-unglaub> athere is nothing in the logs
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1673[13:19:24] <leo-unglaub> and ideas?
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1674[13:20:13] <thereyougo> batman
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1677[13:21:32] <thereyougo> batman: what is that fpm even doing,
any additional information ? paste any configs or logs
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1680[13:22:45] <thereyougo> "my programm doesn't works,
any ideas ?", and chances are you will not get any help
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1681[13:23:38] <blackflow> leo-unglaub: which logs? fpm has its
own log iirc, if there's nothing on the syslog side. and
process dying should be audited, does it segfault?
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1684[13:24:06] <toruvinn> leo-unglaub, out of curiosity, are you
using apache with worker MPM?
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1687[13:24:49] <leo-unglaub> blackflow: i checked the fpm logs
and the system logs including dmesg as well
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1688[13:24:53] <toruvinn> i remember having trouble with mod_fcgi
and mutexes, but dont remember exactly what it was.
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1689[13:24:58] <leo-unglaub> nothing, no segfault, nothing
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1691[13:25:12] <blackflow> leo-unglaub: how do you know it dies
then? It's no longer running?
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1692[13:25:13] <leo-unglaub> it just does not respond anymore
until i restart the daemon
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1693[13:25:19] <toruvinn> it was leaving countless zombies iirc.
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1694[13:25:25] <blackflow> ah that's different from
"process dies"
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1695[13:25:56] <blackflow> leo-unglaub: what webserver? and how
do you interface it with fpm?
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1697[13:27:07] <thereyougo> leo-unglaub: strace it ?
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1701[13:27:50] <leo-unglaub> blackflow: apache2.4
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1704[13:28:12] <blackflow> leo-unglaub: and the other part of my
question?
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1706[13:28:28] <leo-unglaub> its included as a fastcgi handler
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1709[13:28:42] <leo-unglaub> using the socket instead of tcp to
connect
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1710[13:28:51] <blackflow> at any rate, if it's apache, like
toruvinn said, those fastcgi mods can be quite faulty
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1713[13:30:53] <leo-unglaub> hmm, but it has been running in that
config for 4 years
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1714[13:31:04] <leo-unglaub> and now all of the sudden it fails
every 24 hours?
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1715[13:31:37] <blackflow> leo-unglaub: could be wise to check
Apache logs too
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1716[13:31:49] <blackflow> iirc there's an error log
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1717[13:32:08] <leo-unglaub> blackflow: already did. the global
ones and the per vhost ones. nothing at all. even with the highest
error log level
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1719[13:32:41] <toruvinn> leo-unglaub, check apache's
error.log. anything about failing to lock mutexes coming from fcgi?
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1720[13:32:58] <blackflow> leo-unglaub: which Debian? is there
journald? Are you sure you've got logging configured correctly?
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1721[13:33:19] <toruvinn>
replaced-url
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1722[13:33:55] <toruvinn> i got rid of apache thanks to that.
nginx is great. ;^)
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1725[13:35:00] <blackflow> apache fastcgi has always been a
nightmare for me, there are three modules for it, and each having
some kind of problem so neither of them had a fully working
solution.
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1726[13:35:17] <blackflow> if you don't need .htaccess,
I'd recommend nginx too
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1731[13:36:22] <r00trunner> how can i uninstall the gui of a
jessie install?
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1732[13:37:05] <r00trunner> so I basically want to convert a
debian desktop install into a server install
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1735[13:37:54] <jelly> r00trunner: remove the task-*-desktop
packages that are installed, and remove X
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1736[13:37:59] <jelly> !remove x
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1737[13:37:59] <dpkg> i guess remove x is "aptitude remove
x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of
remove if you also want to remove X's configuration.
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1738[13:39:18] <BluesKaj> r00trunner:
replaced-url
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1741[13:41:01] <r00trunner> BluesKaj: I've already have a
dektop version installed. Reinstallation is not an option.
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1742[13:41:38] <thereyougo> leo-unglaub: do you have APC ?
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1743[13:41:44] <BluesKaj> well then follow what jelly posted ;-)
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1746[13:42:01] <BluesKaj> r00trunner: ^
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1749[13:43:32] <r00trunner> BluesKaj: I will. Thanks anyways. Was
the tasksel package removed in jessie?
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1752[13:43:49] <r00trunner> jelly: is it ok to remove those
packages with autoremove --purge?
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1753[13:44:21] <thereyougo> leo-unglaub: try these settings:
"emergency_restart_threshold=3",
"emergency_restart_interval=1m",
"process_control_timeout=5s"
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1754[13:44:33] <dcpc007> hi all. How ssh-keygen choose the list
of keys to generate by default (when no option -t is put) ? and how
to change this default behavior please ?
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1756[13:44:34] <leo-unglaub> thereyougo: i am going to give it a
try
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1758[13:45:45] <thereyougo> leo-unglaub: also:
replaced-url
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1759[13:45:48] <dcpc007> i need to find a common behavior between
different os versions and different OS
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1764[13:48:20] <blackflow> dcpc007: you change the default with
-t :) but all distros are using the one and the same OpenSSH which
hasn't changed the logic of ssh-keygen in quite a while. RSA
has always been a default iirc, and DSA has been deprecated with
newer sshd servers and you shouldn't be using it anyway.
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1773[13:51:47] <dcpc007> on some centos 7 (recent then) i have
rsa + dsa + identity by default ...
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1774[13:51:58] <dcpc007> AND authorized_keys2 used !!
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1777[13:52:08] <rkibem> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ jubo2: ding ding
ding grumble aka xyrand is slow and HATES being called xyrand, dont
call him it! ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
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1781[13:52:18] <dcpc007> but it seems taht default is in compile
option ant not in a config file ....
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1783[13:52:47] -udapz- ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ Guest87397: ding ding ding
grumble aka xyrand is slow and HATES being called xyrand, dont call
him it! ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
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1785[13:52:50] <blackflow> dcpc007: you mean when you run
"ssh-keygen" ? or are you talking about defaults installed
with the distro?
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1787[13:53:04] <dcpc007> the default when using ssh-keygen
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1788[13:53:20] <GenteelBen> grumble: is this true?
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1792[13:54:03] <dcpc007> currently ssh keys were created on
different servers ... and the i have not all users with the same
type of keys. i think it's not a real problem ot have 3 keys
and not oinly the rsa,
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1793[13:54:28] <dcpc007> but i don't like have different
behaviors and have some config files for nothing (especially for
sensible data)
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1794[13:54:29] <blackflow> dcpc007: well then it seems RH is
patching it to do so. but, what's the problem exactly? you can
run ssh-keygen with -t and it should only create one pair of
priv-pub keys
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1795[13:54:38] <coke> sounds like you want to create all the keys
in one central place and roll them out anyways
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1796[13:54:57] <dcpc007> when a user connect for the first time
and no ssh keys, it generate them autmatically ...
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1797[13:55:23] <blackflow> dcpc007: you're talking about
sshd server keys, not ssh client private/public keys?
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1798[13:55:37] <dcpc007> i'm not sure but i suspect that
even with a "only RSA key" user, on some servers the
others keys could be generated ... don't understand why
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1799[13:55:44] <dcpc007> no user account ssh keys
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1801[13:56:00] <dcpc007> on nfs shared home dir
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1802[13:56:00] <jelly> GenteelBen: keep comments on spam out of
this channel, please
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1803[13:56:07] <blackflow> dcpc007: is it in the account skel
dir? I don't recall any distro doing that on connection
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1804[13:56:12] <blackflow> certainly not the behavior of ssh
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1805[13:56:18] <dcpc007> ha !
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1808[13:56:41] <dcpc007> ok i'll check ... it's some
important server that i don't configre myslef and not all the
fine details tuned ...
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1809[13:56:51] <blackflow> dcpc007: however, what coke suggested
is a wise approach. pregenerate the keys as you want them and use in
automation
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1810[13:56:57] <blackflow> s/use/deploy/
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1812[13:57:20] <dcpc007> for me authorized_keys2 should not be
used since 2001 ! then i 'm surprised to see it in recent
server, even centos7
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1813[13:57:33] <blackflow> dcpc007: is there cpanel on that
thing?
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1814[13:57:39] <jelly> r00trunner: the remaining automatically
installed deps? Yes, you said you don't need/want any of that
stuff
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1815[13:57:44] <dcpc007> don't think, never used
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1816[13:57:54] <blackflow> dcpc007: because that sounds a lot
like cpanel
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1818[13:58:09] <blackflow> anyway, this is becoming offtopic for
#debian, as #centos will have more info about their specific configs
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1820[13:58:15] <dcpc007> i will check with a new account i will
force with rsa only and see what happens after 1st connection
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1822[13:59:07] <dcpc007> yes, but if you want i'll try to
make config fo rall servers here, not only debian ones ... i need to
have a global approach . (and i hope one day use something like salt
and multi os config for deploy)
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1823[13:59:33] <blackflow> dcpc007: a global approach works for
OpenSSH, you don't have to use authorized_keys2, nor the dsa
keys pregenerated by the distro
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1824[13:59:36] <dcpc007> and my luck is to have to look too on
RHEL and SUSE, and different versions ...
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1825[13:59:58] <blackflow> dcpc007: you can simply wipe out
~/.ssh and put in there whatever keys and authorized_keys you want
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1826[14:00:03] <dcpc007> yes, a few monthes ago, i don't
know it exists :)
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1827[14:00:21] <dcpc007> 1st time i see lthe *2 file
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1828[14:00:22] <blackflow> if it is OpenSSH, it works uniformly
across all distros, regardless of distro defaults
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1830[14:01:18] <blackflow> the only difference I've noted is
the location of sftp internal executable, it's different
between, say, Debian and FreeBSD
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1831[14:02:23] <dcpc007> ok i confirm ... i delete my dsa and
identoty file .. do a ssh user@centos and it create again dsa and
identity file + put in the 2 authorized_files :-(
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1832[14:02:38] <dcpc007> same on my debian don't do this :-(
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1838[14:02:48] <dcpc007> i hate centos ...
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1840[14:03:19] <dcpc007> but debian not supported by most of
official vendors then no support if i go full debian ... boring +++
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1841[14:03:23] <blackflow> dcpc007: make a habit to avoid DSA,
it's being deprecated
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1842[14:03:30] <dcpc007> yes, i would :)
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1845[14:04:16] <dcpc007> that's my final goal .. a simple
config with only di_rsa + pub, known_host and authorized_keys like
on my "old" servers
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1847[14:04:33] <blackflow> but like I said, you can wipe out the
default ~/.ssh and create your own, regardless of distro
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1848[14:04:35] <dcpc007> at least i know it's this
"new" centos that create the problem
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1851[14:04:56] <dcpc007> read , i just do, and all
"missing" files are recreated at the ssh connection
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1855[14:06:45] <blackflow> dcpc007: is that a problem, beside
having cruft you don't want?
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1857[14:09:02] <dcpc007>
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1859[14:09:53] <dcpc007> not sure, but ihad to recreate some keys
sometime and then i manage only rsa key ... why keep unwanted /
unused identity/securty files
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1860[14:10:05] <dcpc007> not really a good thing too
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1861[14:10:08] <blackflow> dcpc007: ask in #centos, surely
there's a way to prevent that, could be skel or shell rc files
doing that
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1862[14:10:26] <blackflow> it's not something openssh does
itself
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1863[14:10:33] <dcpc007> yes, dooing it in //
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1865[14:10:47] <dcpc007> default options seems in compilation
options too .. not config file
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1868[14:13:21] <blackflow> you're overthinking this. if you
want to automate ssh key deployments across different distros you
can do that easily, just don't rely on distro defaults, and in
case of centos try to block that default behavior
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1869[14:14:10] <dcpc007> yes but even after the good
configuratioin, it changes when used
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1870[14:14:25] <dcpc007> waiting centos answers
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1872[14:14:37] <dcpc007> i test on my "old" computer on
centos 6, not this problem ...
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1874[14:14:49] <dcpc007> maybe it's a bad configuration on
this serveur ...
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1875[14:15:12] <dcpc007> ppl who installed it are not here
naymore :-(
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1904[14:26:57] <nath> morning everybody, I gut a problem with
exim4 after an Upgrade (I'm on "stretch" - testing),
output is as follows:
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1906[14:27:37] <nath> I have been looking it up on the net but
the 2 Options i found did not do it.
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1907[14:27:54] <nath> apt install -f >> same output
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1908[14:28:02] <sypher> !testing
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1909[14:28:02] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
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1910[14:28:47] <nath> sypher: Sorry! THX
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1917[14:30:33] <jolt> nath: I would make sure that exim4 user can
write to /run/exim4/exim.pid (/run/exim4/). If that is the case,
delete all rows in the paniclog and restart again.
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1918[14:30:57] <jolt> Oh, darn
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1933[14:43:56] <dbristow> Is it possible to have sudo rights to a
shell script as another user?
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1936[14:44:21] <dbristow> for example: user ALL=(other-user)
NOPASSWD: /path/to/shell/script.sh
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1943[14:45:23] <dbristow> Used like this: sudo -u other-user
/path/to/shell/script.sh
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1966[14:54:32] <jolt> dbristow: yes: user1 ALL=(user2) NOPASSWD:
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1967[14:54:37] <jolt>
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1969[14:55:20] <jolt> (haven't tried it myself though)
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2004[15:14:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions libopencv-dev
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2005[15:14:52] <judd> Package: libopencv-dev on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.3.1-11+deb7u1; jessie: 2.4.9.1+dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch:
2.4.9.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 2.4.9.1+dfsg1-2; experimental:
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2029[15:25:39] <judd> Bug
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rescue, I can wget stuff. how do I get/install the patched version ?
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2147[16:06:19] * tx anxiously awaits to see if kde plasma 5.9 makes it
into next stable.
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2150[16:06:47] <greycat> stretch has been frozen for a while now.
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2151[16:06:55] <greycat> If it's not in stretch, it's
not going to be.
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2153[16:07:50] <tx> #testing4lyf then. :)
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2154[16:08:21] <greycat> fvwm 4 lyf "What? It's what
year? Ehh, who cares."
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2155[16:08:58] <han-solo> fvwm?
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2156[16:09:04] <han-solo> which window manager?
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2157[16:09:06] <tx> Another window manager.
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2158[16:09:12] <greycat> ,popcon fvwm
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2159[16:09:13] <judd> Popcon data for fvwm: inst: 1603, vote:
349, old: 1200, recent: 54, nofiles: 0
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2160[16:09:18] <tx> I think it stands for F virtual window
manager.
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2161[16:09:21] <han-solo> ah
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2163[16:09:29] <han-solo> okay
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2164[16:09:47] <tx> And aye, gone are the days of i3wm. :)
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2165[16:09:53] <tx> went mainstream.
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2166[16:09:57] <greycat> If you like it, it's not gone.
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2167[16:10:06] <greycat> Use whatever you want.
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2168[16:10:12] <tx> From my life it is.
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2169[16:10:18] <BluesKaj> stretch has had a few upgrades in the
last week
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2170[16:10:19] <tx> but it will always hold a place in my heart.
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2171[16:10:26] <rpd_> ,popcon wmaker
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2173[16:10:36] <judd> Popcon data for wmaker: inst: 1404, vote:
267, old: 1039, recent: 96, nofiles: 2
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2174[16:10:44] <tx> BluesKaj: only minor ones, something as big
as KDE Plasma would be very unlikely to make it at this stage.
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2175[16:10:50] <missmbob> BluesKaj: those are rc fixes
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2176[16:10:54] <rpd_> wmaker the one and only :D
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2178[16:11:32] <greycat> !start a wm war
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2179[16:11:33] <dpkg> GNOME makes me vomit!
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2184[16:12:24] <BluesKaj> tx: I'm running KDE/Plasma, but no
big changes makes it look like the big ones are already behind us
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2187[16:12:46] <missmbob> yes. when it froze. :P
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2188[16:13:08] <BluesKaj> haven't been monitoring the freeze
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2190[16:13:12] <rpd_> greycat: just wanted to see the
distribution :D
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2191[16:13:23] <rpd_> ,popcon wmii
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2192[16:13:24] <judd> Popcon data for wmii: inst: 225, vote: 84,
old: 137, recent: 4, nofiles: 0
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2193[16:13:30] <rpd_> ,popcon dwm
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2194[16:13:31] <judd> Popcon data for dwm: inst: 811, vote: 93,
old: 687, recent: 30, nofiles: 1
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2195[16:13:41] <greycat> /msg judd popcon ...
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2196[16:13:45] <tx> popcon has a website too
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2197[16:13:48] <tx> with graphs and all!
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2198[16:14:13] <rpd_> sweet
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2199[16:14:16] <tx>
replaced-url
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2200[16:14:41] <tx> Poor i386, on the way out it seems.
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2201[16:14:42] <tx> :)
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2202[16:15:00] <greycat> I'm sure it'll be around for
at least another decade or two.
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2204[16:15:23] <BluesKaj> what are the gamers gonna do, a lot of
games are still 32bit
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2205[16:15:35] <greycat> That's one of the many reasons.
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2207[16:16:11] <han-solo> sadly, i still use GNOME, it's
been some time i have been wanting to switch to KDE4
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2208[16:16:25] <missmbob> maybe they meant that stretch only
supports 586 and higher
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2209[16:16:26] <greycat> And two decades puts us right up near
the 32-bit time_t deadline.
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2211[16:16:36] <rpd_> tx: love the graphs, puts the popularity in
perspective over a nice 10+ yr period
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2212[16:16:37] <BluesKaj> KDE4? a bit late for that
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2213[16:16:48] <han-solo> why?
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2215[16:16:56] <han-solo> i haven't tried any kde yet though
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2222[16:18:03] <BluesKaj> nadley: not much devel going on, now
that kde/plasma5 has been around for almost 2 yrs
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2223[16:18:11] <BluesKaj> han-solo: ^
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2224[16:18:16] <han-solo> 'ah
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2225[16:18:20] <BluesKaj> sorrry nadley
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2226[16:18:25] <han-solo> :}
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2229[16:21:31] <BluesKaj> Debian Stretch handles the kde/plasma5
desktop much more smothly than Kubuntu Zesty 17.04 IME
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2231[16:21:46] <han-solo> hmm
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2232[16:22:06] <han-solo> will try it then
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2233[16:22:07] <han-solo> thanks
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2234[16:22:15] <BluesKaj> especially if one uses activities
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2236[16:22:57] <CarlFK> how do I anna-install
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2238[16:23:21] <greycat> Wow, kde package version numbers are
confusing.
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2240[16:23:59] <han-solo> which wm do you use greycat ?
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2244[16:24:45] <greycat> In stretch, there's kde-standard
(version 92) which depends on things like kde-plasma-desktop
(version 92) and kmail (version 16.04.0)
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2245[16:25:01] <greycat> han-solo: I thought I already made it
clear I use fvwm
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2249[16:25:54] <han-solo> ah. Sorry, i though you were just
making a joke :}
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2250[16:26:14] <greycat> wooledg 918 913 0 Apr17 tty1 00:00:06
fvwm
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2252[16:26:38] <BluesKaj> CarlFK: sudo dpkg -i
grub-installer_1.128ubuntu8_arm64.udeb
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2253[16:27:03] <BluesKaj> open the terminal in the containing
folder
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2254[16:27:04] <han-solo> hmm
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2255[16:27:17] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: -sh: dpkg: not found
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2256[16:27:27] <lixus> i want to log an "apt-get
dist-upgrade" with "script" (typescript), how can i
make sure apt-get is just using text mode and not ncurses/dialog
when interactive quetions need to be answered ?
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2258[16:28:11] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: I booted into stretch rescue
shell
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2259[16:28:36] <greycat> lixus: dpkg-reconfigure debconf,
according to man dpkg-reconfigure
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2260[16:28:38] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: thus needing to use anna stuff.
which I don't really ... get
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2261[16:28:44] <BluesKaj> CarlFK: use the path to the package or
open the terminal in the folder where the package is located
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2262[16:28:58] <greycat> BluesKaj: he's missing dpkg, not
the .udeb file
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2264[16:29:12] <BluesKaj> oh sorry
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2270[16:31:04] <BluesKaj> running debian without dpkg, how can
that be?
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2272[16:31:17] <greycat> he's not in Debian yet
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2273[16:31:39] <greycat> he's inside the installer, and he
either hasn't installed yet, or he hasn't chrooted into
his installed Debian system yet
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2282[16:32:49] <aypea[3]> ffs. how could you not give an easy
mechanism to not start an array on boot? :/
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2285[16:33:17] <BluesKaj> ok greycat, guess I should have read
the url more closely
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2286[16:33:48] <CarlFK> yep. installer hit:
replaced-url
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2287[16:33:49] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2296[16:37:27] <thadtheman> Can anyone help me with my script?
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2297[16:37:29] <thadtheman>
replaced-url
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2302[16:40:36] <sypher> thadtheman: Is that script (that I
didn't read because pastebin is terrible) somehow relevant to a
Debian-specific issue? Otherwise, you may want whatever channel
corresponds to whatever language your script is written in.
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2303[16:40:53] <Jubei> I'm wondering why on debian 8.0 there
are scripts under /etc/init.d if Debian has moved to systemd
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2304[16:41:10] <greycat> not every package has been fully
converted
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2305[16:41:18] <ksk> Jubei: some packages do not have systemd
unit files.
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2307[16:41:39] <Shadur> Because we don't throw something
away just because we don't have a use for it anymore right now.
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2309[16:41:59] <greycat> If a specific package has no systemd
unit file, but does have an init.d script, then systemd will use a
sysv-rc emulation layer to manage it as best it can.
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2315[16:43:27] <Jubei> so systemd is still reading these scripts?
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2316[16:43:42] <Jubei> I shoudn't.. delete them or anything
:)
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2317[16:43:52] <greycat> correct
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2319[16:44:27] <thadtheman> sypher: it is bash. zsh awk. So which
channel should I ask in?
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2320[16:44:44] <greycat> It is bash, or is it zsh?
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2322[16:45:04] <thadtheman> I did try linux, but they are too
busy BSing about Windows to answer linux questions.
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2325[16:45:33] <thadtheman> greycat: It's a bash script
called from zsh.
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2326[16:45:40] <thadtheman> Check it out.
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2328[16:45:44] <greycat> If it's a zsh script ask #zsh. If
it's a bash script, ask #bash. But I'll warn you,
don't just slam the pastebin URL at us and say "SLAVES,
READ THIS AND READ MY MIND AND TELL ME WHAT I WANTED"
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2330[16:46:08] <tw> but for the sake of telepathy, most likely
you have the ! outside the ( when you intended it inside.
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2331[16:46:10] <greycat> We will expect you to explain what the
goal is, what you tried, and what went wrong.
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2332[16:46:15] <Jubei> in my case, however, I'm noticing
that a daemon has something both under init.d AND under
/etc/systemd/system/
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2336[16:47:03] <thadtheman> greycat: If you look at the pastebin,
it will be self explanatory. It's all there including output.
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2337[16:47:15] <greycat> Yeah, THAT is precisely what gets you on
/ignore.
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2338[16:47:26] <greycat> Which you now are.
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2341[16:47:42] <sypher> thadtheman: We tried to warn you.
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2343[16:48:52] <thadtheman> sypher: RThat greycat is nutso?
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2346[16:49:19] <Shadur> thadtheman: No, that you were being an
asshole and more likely to get ignored than helped with that
attitude.
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2360[16:52:51] <someboy> Hi all.
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2361[16:53:00] <someboy> How do I restart the iptables in jessie?
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2362[16:53:24] <petn-randall> someboy: ipables is not a daemon,
there's nothing to restart.
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2363[16:53:26] <petn-randall> !goal
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2364[16:53:26] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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2367[16:53:48] <someboy> petn-randall: I did open a port
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2369[16:54:05] <Stummi> someboy, what does this has to do with
iptables?
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2370[16:54:12] <Jubei> someboy do sudo iptables -L to see
what's currently happening
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2371[16:54:17] <someboy> but I don't see the entry when I do
iptables -t nat -L
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2372[16:54:45] <Stummi> someboy, than you should be fine. No
entries means everything is allowed
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2373[16:54:46] <Jubei> someboy if you don't see the entry
then it means the command you used to insert it into the table
probably failed.
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2374[16:55:00] <petn-randall> someboy: Can you provide the
command + output you used? And also the output of 'iptables -L
-vn' and 'iptables -t nat -L -vn'. →
replaced-url
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2375[16:55:05] <greycat> I'm guessing the question is
"how do I make my iptables rules get loaded when I boot"
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2376[16:55:13] <Stummi> oh, I thought with "open a
port" he means he started a daemon listening on a tcp port or
something
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2380[16:56:10] <thadtheman> Shadur. It is basically a one-line
script. There is a lot more added simply to display problems.
Including the output of the script a bit of the input ( not all
because as you can see there are hundreds of thousands of lines ).
If there is something that is missing tellme. It's not
apporpriate for any "language" because it is an awk script
called from a bash script. I have no idea where the interaction
fails. In fact
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2381[16:56:10] <thadtheman> the only reason it is an awk script
is that I don't know how to do a grep that excludes all lines
that match two regular expressions. Then it would be a bash script
that calls grep.
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2384[16:57:02] <thadtheman> What I was trying to do is write a
script that strips irc logs of all "has joined" and
"has quit" messages.
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2386[16:58:14] <Jubei> is there some way to check if some script
in /etc/init.d is actually used by systemd?
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2387[16:58:14] <greycat> "I opened a port" is usually
shorthand for "I am using a deny-by-default policy firewall,
and then I created an exception to allow incoming traffic on one
specific port"
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2388[16:58:23] <greycat> Except they usually get something wrong,
so it ends up not being that.
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2390[16:58:39] <greycat> Jubei: systemctl status SERVICENAME will
show you where it read stuff from
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2392[16:59:19] <greycat> E.g. jessie's apache2 shows that it
reads from /etc/init.d/apache2 and
/lib/systemd/system/apache2.service.d/forking.conf which is ...
interesting.
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2393[16:59:42] <Jubei> greycat it shows me that it's using
the systemd script, not the init script. So I guess it's safe
to delete it. It would be nice to have a way of knowing if that init
script is ever used (not only currently)
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2394[16:59:50] <thadtheman> Jubei, modify that script so it
writes something to /tmp/the_scriptname_hasbeen_called then ls /tmp.
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2395[16:59:59] <greycat> A systemd unit file has priority.
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2396[17:00:40] <jaboja> What is newest version of Iceweasel which
is the real Iceweasel and not dummy for Firefox?
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2399[17:00:51] <greycat> ?
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2400[17:00:52] <Jubei> thank you all.
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2431[17:14:39] <ackb> does anyone know a quick fix for
replaced-url
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2434[17:16:22] <timholum> I have a module that adds usb over spi,
I am wondering how I would configure which spi port to have it use?
( a link to the kernel module
replaced-url
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2435[17:17:16] <petn-randall> ackb: Looks like you require java8
but the package doesn't depend on it yet.
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2436[17:17:32] <petn-randall> ,v default-jre-headless
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2438[17:17:32] <judd> Package: default-jre-headless on amd64 --
wheezy: 1:1.6-47; wheezy-security: 1:1.7-47+deb7u2; jessie:
2:1.7-52; stretch: 2:1.8-58; sid: 2:1.8-58
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2440[17:17:54] <petn-randall> ,v openjdk-8-jre-headless
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2441[17:17:55] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre-headless on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1; sid: 8u121-b13-4; stretch:
8u121-b13-4
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2443[17:18:25] <ackb> petn-randall, yes, the last comment
suggests an updated debian package might be out by now, but how do
you check whats installed/available and the dependency specs of the
deb ?
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2444[17:18:31] <petn-randall> ackb: Installing
openjdk-8-jre-headless from jessie-backports /should/ fix the
problem (from what I've read in the bug report, but untested by
me).
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2446[17:18:40] <ackb> apt-get upgrade says it skipped jenkins
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2447[17:18:48] <petn-randall> ,v jenkins
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2448[17:18:49] <judd> No package named 'jenkins' was
found in amd64.
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2449[17:18:51] <ackb> but apt-get dist-upgrade does not update
jenkins either
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2450[17:19:13] <petn-randall> ackb: That's a strong hint
that you're already running the current jenkins package.
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2451[17:19:38] <greycat> !jessie-backports
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2452[17:19:38] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian
9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found
in the "jessie-backports" repository. See
replaced-url
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2454[17:19:44] <ackb> petn-randall,
replaced-url
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2456[17:20:12] <petn-randall> ackb: Yes, we already established
that.
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2457[17:20:36] <ackb> java -version is 1.7.0_121
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2458[17:20:45] <ackb> so I didn't get the update to 1.8 yet
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2459[17:20:52] <greycat> ackb: install the openjdk-8-jre-headless
package from jessie-backports
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2460[17:21:05] <petn-randall> ackb: "get"? You have to
install it by hand from backports.
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2470[17:23:45] <ackb> greycat, apt-get install
openjdk-8-jre-headless
replaced-url
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2471[17:23:59] <greycat> That is not the correct command to
install a pkg from jessie-backports.
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2472[17:24:11] <ackb> ah
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2473[17:24:24] <ackb> -t jessie-backports ok
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2492[17:33:33] <tw> timholum: You need to configure your device
tree entries for your chip and board.
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2502[17:37:18] <timholum> tw: do you know of any documentation
for doing that?
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2505[17:38:46] <tw> The kernel docs are the only ones I know,
sorry. Here's the one for spi:
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2506[17:38:55] <tw> It's pretty out of scope for #debian
though =/
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2626[18:25:07] <newlinux> Hi what format on my USB should I use
to install debian?
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2627[18:25:17] <newlinux> FAT32 would be good?
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2628[18:26:06] <petn-randall> newlinux: You want to install
Debian onto the USB stick?
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2630[18:26:25] <newlinux> no I want install debian on my hard
drive from the USB
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2632[18:26:55] <alekz> newlinux: you can try Etcher
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2633[18:27:01] <petn-randall> newlinux: Then you don't
format it at all, just copy the image onto the blank device.
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2634[18:27:03] <alekz> it's a nice tool to create booting
usb from .iso files
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2635[18:27:10] <newlinux> what is Etcher?
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2636[18:27:10] <petn-randall> !etcher
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2637[18:27:11] <dpkg> etcher is, like, initial testing shows
etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation.
instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows.
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2640[18:27:32] <alekz> dpkg knows everything :P
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2641[18:27:33] <dpkg> alekz: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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2642[18:27:33] <petn-randall> newlinux: It's bad advice, see
above.
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2644[18:27:45] <newlinux> no I will use win32diskimager to copy
file to file from .iso to USB, can I use FAT32?
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2645[18:27:46] <maurer> I've got a debian jessie system with
a large number of drives which I just upgraded from kernel 3.13 to
3.16 in response to repeated CPU soft lockups. With 3.16, it no
longer boots, saying it can't find /dev/disk/by-uuid/UUID-HERE
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2646[18:28:01] <alekz> didn't know this problem with etcher
and debian
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2647[18:28:05] <maurer> If I boot 13 from the grub menu, it boots
successfully
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2650[18:28:24] <petn-randall> newlinux: Any partitions and
filesystems on the usb stick will be overwritten, you don't
need to format/partition it at all.
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2651[18:28:32] <maurer> If I go into the initramfs in the failed
16 boot and look around, drives /dev/sda-/dev/sdk are all present,
but there is only one entry in /dev/disk/by-uuid
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2652[18:28:34] <maurer> Ideas?
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2655[18:29:29] <newlinux> petn-randall: so win32diskimager will
format it for me or what?
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2656[18:29:41] <dax> newlinux: the disk image .iso contains a
filesystem and it will use that filesystem
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2658[18:30:00] <newlinux> dax: so it really doesnt matter what
format the USB has?
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2659[18:30:02] <dax> correct
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2661[18:30:20] <dax> the entire disk gets overwritten, filesystem
and partition table and all
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2662[18:30:26] <newlinux> ok thank you
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2678[18:34:56] <petn-randall> Three times is the charm.
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2689[18:38:24] <jaboja> btw, is it possible to install Debian or
Ubuntu on a flashdrive and just use it that way? Or will it be
slower or eat more memory than installed on HD?
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2694[18:40:37] <petn-randall> jaboja: Most USB sticks are much
slower, so booting and working with it will be painful. Also USB
stick memory isn't always reliable.
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2698[18:41:25] <jaboja> Will it help if it shared swap space with
my main OS on HD?
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2716[18:47:09] <petn-randall> jaboja: hardly
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2717[18:47:12] <Stochastic> Are there any serious consequences to
expanding an ext4 partition?
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2719[18:47:25] <petn-randall> Stochastic: You might end up with
more free space.
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2720[18:47:39] <Stochastic> petn-randall: huh?
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2723[18:48:38] <Stochastic> petn-randall: care to elaborate a
bit, please?
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2734[18:51:31] <petn-randall> Stochastic: If you expand a ext4
partition, you end up having more free space on the filesystem.
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2735[18:51:43] <Stochastic> petn-randall: is that a joke or
something?
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2736[18:51:57] <kruug> where would I find `libdbus-c++.so.5` on
my system?
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2737[18:52:30] <jhutchins_wk_> kruug: you could use locate
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2738[18:52:56] <petn-randall> Stochastic: It depends. Would you
expect a different answer?
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2742[18:53:24] <Stochastic> petn-randall: X_X
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2744[18:53:41] <kruug> jhutchins_wk_: Thanks! I was trying to
figure out `find`
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2749[18:54:39] <jhutchins_wk_> kruug: That's a good
possibility, find / -name "libdbus*"
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2750[18:54:54] <jhutchins_wk_> It gets a little lost on root
searches.
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2754[18:55:20] <jhutchins_wk_> kruug: I don't have that file
on my system.
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2774[19:04:30] <jhutchins_wk_> kruug: Basic use is find
<starting from> -name "<name>*"
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2779[19:05:49] <jhutchins_wk_> jaboja: There are "live"
images that are optimized to run off of slow medial like CDs or pen
drives. They mostly run in RAM.
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2787[19:09:31] <Stochastic> Just resized my home; is resizing
going to affect this partition's performance now?
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2794[19:11:06] <jhutchins_wk_> Stochastic: How do you think it
would do that?
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2796[19:11:23] <Stochastic> jhutchins_wk_: I don't know if
it does that, so I'm asking X_X
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2797[19:11:30] <Stochastic> I don't know what I don't
know!
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2801[19:12:34] <jhutchins_wk_> Stochastic: It will change the
time it takes to format it, it will change the time it takes to fsck
it.
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2802[19:12:50] <Stochastic> jhutchins_wk_: oh. Ok.
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2804[19:13:20] <jhutchins_wk_> It would take very precise
equipment to see the difference in random seek times caused by
having to seek over a larger or smaller area of the disk.
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2805[19:13:23] <Stochastic> afaik, mkfs.ext4 says that it does
some allocation stuff for a particular size
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2806[19:13:44] <Stochastic> So, I wonder if something's
"different" now that I resized it
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2808[19:13:56] <jhutchins_wk_> Stochastic: Really, nothing that
you'll notice.
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2809[19:13:57] <Stochastic> But, whatever
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2811[19:14:56] <greycat> The main difference is that it'll
hold more stuff.
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2813[19:15:59] <`Kevin> Stochastic: performance would only
noticeably degrade if somehow you skewd block size and/or the start
block of the partition thus throwing off partition alignment
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2817[19:16:35] <Stochastic> `Kevin: didn't do either. Thanks
for the detailed answer. :)
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2839[19:23:49] <glaucom> hi all
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2840[19:23:56] <glaucom> i need help install samba.
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2841[19:24:59] <glaucom>
replaced-url
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2847[19:26:13] <sypher> !ask
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2848[19:26:13] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2850[19:27:46] <greycat> You pasted the output of some command,
probably an apt-get command, but you didn't show the command
itself. You also didn't provide any background on WHY your
system is broken. Did you change sources.list? Did you download a
samba .deb file from a random web site and try to install it?
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2882[19:34:48] <CyberJacob> Evening
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2886[19:34:58] <Sark> How can I force xorg to ignore the lack of
EDID data from my monitor and just do what I tell it to?
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2887[19:35:03] <CyberJacob> I'm having an issue with
aptitude refusing to do anything useful with the error "E:
Can't find a source to download version
'3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1' of
'evolution-common:amd64'"
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2888[19:35:17] <CyberJacob> I don't even want evolution...
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2890[19:35:36] <greycat> It's probably a dependency of
something else that you did ask for.
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2891[19:35:40] <CyberJacob> Is there a way to tell Aptitude to
uninstall and remove it?
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2893[19:36:25] <greycat> There's "aptitude why".
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2895[19:36:46] <CyberJacob> If I don't have X installed, is
there any reason to have tk8.6?
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2896[19:37:14] <greycat> "aptitude why tk8.6"
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2897[19:37:41] <CyberJacob> i expect Recommends tk8.6
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2898[19:38:14] <CyberJacob> but I can't remove tk because of
that error
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2909[19:42:34] <CyberJacob> greycat: any ideas?
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2912[19:43:50] <greycat> So you want to know why evolution-common
is deemed necessary.
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2913[19:44:03] <greycat> If only you knew of a command that could
tell you why the package manager was doing things.
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2916[19:45:13] <Sark> My xorg.conf -
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2917[19:45:14] <CyberJacob> I know why, and it's not
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2920[19:45:25] <CyberJacob> it's a reccomendation of a
reccomendation from the `expect` package
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2921[19:45:44] <CyberJacob> but regardless of that, I can't
remove it or `expect` because of that error
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2922[19:45:51] <Sark> The monitor works fine, as does the card. I
know the modeline is good. It's just that the monitor
doesn't support EDID so it doesn't think it's plugged
in.
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2925[19:47:18] <Sark> So how can I just tell X to trust me, there
IS a monitor there, just display the mode I'm telling it to
display.
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2926[19:47:32] <greycat> 13:47 Ignoring MSGS from pcz
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2927[19:47:38] <greycat> err, that was for #bash
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2932[19:48:29] <greycat> Sark: probably by creating xorg.conf.d
fragments. Ask #xorg?
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method of remote desktopping into a LAN connected debian desktop?
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2953[19:53:00] <CyberJacob> JyZyXEL: VNC?
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2954[19:53:17] <JyZyXEL> i think it has very poor performance?
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2958[19:54:45] <JyZyXEL> hmmm, well apparently its not that bad
after all
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2959[19:55:02] <Sark> OK, I asked over in #xorg too, and
I'll keep an eye on it, I know that's not a real active
channel.
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2960[19:55:37] <Sark> But at the moment, I'm tearing my hair
out. I have tried every trick I have seen mentioned, and added every
variant of "ignoreEDID" that I have found.
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2965[19:57:54] <CyberJacob> Sark: do you have a Monitor section
in your xorg.conf?
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2969[19:59:22] <greycat> I would personally start out by just
creating a Monitor *fragment* in xorg.conf.d instead of making an
entire xorg.conf file.
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2972[20:00:36] <Sark> CyberJacob: Yes. I have defined absolutely
everything in my xorg.conf
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2974[20:00:52] <CyberJacob> Sark: got the right Identifier?
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2975[20:00:56] <Sark> My xorg.conf -
replaced-url
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2976[20:01:04] <Sark> Yes.
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2980[20:01:59] <CyberJacob> Sark: we looking at the NEC or the
Radius Pivot?
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2983[20:02:10] <Sark> The Radius.
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2984[20:02:36] <Sark> The NEC doesn't support EDID either,
afaik, but the computer does see that it's connected.
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2989[20:02:52] <CyberJacob> I'm guessing it should be
640x870?
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2990[20:02:57] <Sark> In the log, you can see that it ignores the
modeline for the Radius, and just makes up something when it thinks
VGA-2 is disconnected.
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2991[20:03:05] <Sark> Yes. That is the mode, that is the only
mode that monitor supports.
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2993[20:04:32] <CyberJacob> Sark: did you add the mode using
xrandr?
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2994[20:04:45] <Sark> xrandr doesn't see the other display
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2996[20:05:39] <CyberJacob> doesn't see?
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2997[20:05:51] <Sark> It doesn't list it.
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2998[20:06:11] <Sark> At least, I don't think so. It only
shows the one card.
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3001[20:07:17] <CyberJacob> Where did you get the modeline from?
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3002[20:07:46] <Sark> I computed it based on the capabilities of
the monitor.
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3003[20:07:55] <Sark> The modeline does work, I've used it
before.
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3004[20:08:20] <CyberJacob> if you do `cvt 640 870 75`, does that
give you the same modeline?
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3008[20:08:30] <aja22> hey, im new to linux. for a web server
that has a public ip and a private ip, what IP should i use for the
full hostname?
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3010[20:08:40] <Sark> The previous graphics card I was using
would work with it fine, but it would crash X after it was running
for a few minutes because the 3DFX driver didn't play nice with
the nvidia one.
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3013[20:09:07] <mefistofeles> aja22: if you want to connect from
the outside of your Local Network, you have to use the public IP
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3014[20:09:24] <mefistofeles> aja22: but you have to make sure
the ports are opened and forwared by the ISP or whatever setup you
need
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3015[20:09:28] <CyberJacob> ok, then try `xrandir --newmode
"640x870@75" 65.26 640 672 912 944 870 886 897 914 -HSync
+Vsync`, what does that say?
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3016[20:09:35] <greycat> aja22: whatever you put in /etc/hosts is
99.9% irrelevant. Your web server is driven by DNS and by your web
server configs.
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3019[20:11:01] <CyberJacob> Sark: and then `xrandr --addmode
VGA-2 640x870@75` (might need to escape the @s on both of those)
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3023[20:11:57] <CyberJacob> Sark: then finally, `xrandr --output
VGA-2 --mode 640x870@75`
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3024[20:11:57] <Sark> cannot find output VGA-2
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3025[20:12:09] <Sark> It took the mode just fine
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3026[20:12:20] <Sark> But doesn't believe in the existance
of VGA-2
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3028[20:12:50] <CyberJacob> Strange, because that's what X
calls it in the log
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3031[20:13:54] <CyberJacob> Sark: does `xrandr -q` or `lshw -c
video` find it?
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3040[20:16:25] <Sark> does not show up when I do xrandr -q
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3042[20:16:35] <Sark> shows up in lshw and in lspci
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3048[20:20:05] <Sark> Now, if I type those commands in for VGA-1,
and swap the monitor over to the first graphics card, it works
perfectly.
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3057[20:23:24] <Sark> So, the monitor and the modeline are good.
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only login if the user is present is found in at least one group ?
Right any user found is allowed to login, even if they have no
group. I have forced the security so user have to login but this
doesn't correct the issue.
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3143[20:53:49] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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3243[21:36:47] <indistylo> I am getting low disk space warning:
replaced-url
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3245[21:38:22] <phogg> indistylo: are you sure you're
running Debian?
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3250[21:39:03] <missmbob> idmistir: you probably have a ton of
old log files in /var/log/ that you can safely delete. those quickly
add up to gigs. also apt-get clean
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3252[21:39:31] <indistylo> phogg: debian derived, Ubuntu :)
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3253[21:39:36] <missmbob> !ubuntu
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3254[21:39:37] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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3255[21:39:53] <phogg> indistylo: come to ##linux and I will help
you.
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3257[21:40:31] <SuperTramp83> missmbob already provided the fix..
indistylo /var/log and clean
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3266[21:44:19] <jhutchins_wk_> phogg: You'll want to get
logrotate installed and working, no idea why that distro
wouldn't take care of that.
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3267[21:44:55] <phogg> jhutchins_wk_: If it's logs.
Sometimes it's core files, things the user forgot about, etc.
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3268[21:45:09] <jelly> SuperTramp83, that's not a fix,
that's an educated guess
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3272[21:45:50] <Pro1> Hey guys. Maxres is stuck at 1024x768 and
my monitor is stuck at unknown. I installed with a VGA cable plugged
in to the integrated graphic card where the problem started at
first. Now I have a graphic card and I have tried using both DVI and
VGA but the screen is stil unknown and res is stil stuck at
1024x768. Anyone have any idea where the problem might be?
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3273[21:46:02] <jhutchins_wk_> phogg: Actually, I meant that for
indistylo
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3278[21:46:54] <jhutchins_wk_> Pro1: Sounds like your chipset
wasn't recognized and it's fallen back to the VESA driver.
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3279[21:46:58] <jelly> Pro1, which graphic cards specifically?
lspci -nn |grep VGA
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3283[21:48:27] <Pro1> Jelly: Can you write command again? I
bugged out
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3284[21:48:51] <jelly> Pro1, lspci -nn | grep VGA
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3287[21:49:31] <Pro1> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]:
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]
[1002:1313]
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3288[21:49:31] <Pro1> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]:
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti PRO [Radeon HD
7950/8950 OEM / R9 280] [1002:679a]
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3289[21:50:02] <jelly> judd, pciid 1002:1313
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3290[21:50:03] <judd> [1002:1313] is 'Kaveri [Radeon R7
Graphics]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in
jessie. See also
replaced-url
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3292[21:50:14] <jelly> that doesn't look right
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3296[21:51:49] <jelly> Pro1, I don't know a lot about amd
gpus, but installing a newer kernel from jessie-backports would be a
start
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3297[21:52:00] <bibble> what gui calculator do you like ?
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3299[21:52:16] <jelly> judd, pciid 1002:1313 --release stretch
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3300[21:52:17] <judd> An error has occurred and has been logged.
Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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3301[21:52:31] <greycat> bibble: I don't use a "gui
calculator". I keep a terminal open with bc -l running in it
all the time.
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3302[21:52:34] <jelly> dpkg, tell Pro1 about jessie-backports
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3303[21:52:42] <jelly> dpkg, tell Pro1 about bdo kernel