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34 [00:20:18] <quiliro> hello
35 [00:21:41] <quiliro> i would like to switch to debian because
it is a stable distro and it is possible to use it without nonfree
parts if you are careful....i would prefer trisquel...but i do not
see stability in it
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37 [00:22:17] <quiliro> i just need to know if there is a full
screen magnifier for mate
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47 [00:27:07] <acheron-a> if i download the 3 ISO DVDs to
install Debian, can i put one DVD each on a USB stick or it possible
to put all 3 on a 16 GB UDB drive?
48 [00:27:23] <acheron-a> USB drive i meant
49 [00:27:48] <dvs> acheron-a, if you had a 32GB USB drive, you
could download the BD iso image.
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51 [00:28:08] <acheron-a> oh, great! thanks so much!
52 [00:28:32] <dvs> yw
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55 [00:29:59] <zykotick9> acheron-a: note, updates happen -
unless your "use case" is an offline machine - downloading
the BD or DVD ISO _might_ be a waste of bandwidth? ymmv.
56 [00:30:38] <zykotick9> s/DVD ISO/DVD ISOs/
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67 [00:35:56] <enza> ciao
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72 [00:37:37] <quiliro> any full screen magnifier for a
lightweight desktop?
73 [00:38:19] <ryouma> quiliro: no good one that moves around
properly like compiz or osx, but there are several magnifiers
74 [00:38:22] <ryouma> in debian
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78 [00:40:02] * zykotick9 was shocked to see compiz is making a return
to debian stretch :|
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82 [00:46:05] <ryouma> ooh! except if you want the zoom you have
to buy the entire wm
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84 [00:46:23] <ryouma> unless anybody separated out hte zoom?
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91 [00:51:48] <quiliro> ryouma: what magnifier can do
full-screen?
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94 [00:52:46] <ryouma> quiliro: i can only assume that you mean
zooming in on a full screen, to get part of it on a full screen?
95 [00:52:59] <ryouma> quiliro: my guess would be just compiz
(which is a wm) and osx (which is an os) :/
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97 [00:53:13] <ryouma> i tried all of the debian magnifiers on
jessie
98 [00:53:20] <ryouma> they all have windows
99 [00:54:45] <zykotick9> when I hear "zoom full
screen" i think, lower your resolution?!?
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101 [00:55:34] <ryouma> aha -- quiliro you can use xrandr to do
quarter resolution
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103 [00:55:50] <ryouma> quiliro: or you can use it to increase
dpi -- i use a dpi of 216
104 [00:56:00] <ryouma> xrandr --dpi 216
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106 [00:57:32] <ryouma> most, but not all, applications correctly
respect that as a scaling factor
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115 [01:08:10] <quiliro> ryouma: i will test...thank you
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117 [01:09:20] <quiliro> i need the whole screen to be ocupied by
the magnifier
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119 [01:10:08] <quiliro> perhaps a virtual desktop is better so
it is more resolution that the screen itself
120 [01:10:27] <quiliro> that would be easy on the video card
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133 [01:21:58] <ryouma> quiliro: there are "viewports"
or similar concepts in which what you see is part of the whole
thing, but that doe snot zoom anything
134 [01:22:30] <ryouma> afaik
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173 [01:55:55] <disaster__> Hi i look for a way to push log from
php-fpm chroot pool to syslog. I try to add dev/log (with
$AddUnixListenSocket /var/replaced-url
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222 [02:37:23] <Logg> Anyone know if you can install Windows 10
ON a cd? I have some NTFS drives I want to mount in debian, but
they're in that "unsafe state" windows does to make
itself boot faster.
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233 [02:47:29] <harindu> Then turn off the quick boot option
234 [02:47:54] <solrize> hi i know there's no stretch
release schedule, but historically when a past release has reached
freeze, how much longer has it taken to reach general stable
release? (i.e. that's a question about the past, not the
unpredictable future)
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240 [02:50:44] <bogo_> Hello? anyone here?
241 [02:50:56] <bogo_> I want to try
replaced-url
242 [02:51:03] <bogo_> but this is not for debian
243 [02:51:21] <bogo_> any thoughts?
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245 [02:52:13] <Voldenet> bogo_: I'm logging in to debian
via ssh with a key.
246 [02:52:30] <bogo_> OK how did you do it?
247 [02:52:56] <bogo_> do you have a guide?
248 [02:53:05] <Voldenet> Hm, I just set up a regular ssh key
with ssh-keygen
249 [02:53:24] <Voldenet> and then converted a key with puttygen
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251 [02:53:48] <Voldenet> cba to explain, but
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253 [02:54:52] <bogo_> OK well I want to do this as it is nice
and painless but cant find a good guide to do it
254 [02:55:04] <bogo_> BTW is debian 9 out? or still beta?
255 [02:56:04] <Voldenet> It's not out yet, It will be when
it's ready. :)
256 [02:56:10] <themill> there is no beta
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261 [02:58:19] <Voldenet> bogo_: you need no 'guide'
for it, just set up a ssh key like you normally would and then make
putty work with it
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265 [03:00:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps is there a replacement for
usbmount package in strech? or is systemd doing that now too?
266 [03:00:37] <Voldenet> bogo_: in puttygen use conversions
-> import key to import a private key
267 [03:00:38] <bogo_>
replaced-url
268 [03:00:54] <bogo_> is that a good setup?
269 [03:02:08] <Voldenet> Hm, I've never used that. I use
'plain, old way' of ssh-keygen
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271 [03:03:22] <Voldenet> Wait a sec, just read it... it's
not solving your problem.
272 [03:03:46] <Voldenet> Because you're not running
ssh-agent and you'll be using putty instead.
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274 [03:04:33] <bogo_> OK running puttykey
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276 [03:07:31] <bogo_> OK I have public and private key now
277 [03:07:36] <bogo_> where do I put them in?
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280 [03:10:19] <bogo_> it says ~/.ssh/authorized_keys but it says
error writing to
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282 [03:10:46] <Voldenet> eh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, but the
format is different
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285 [03:11:28] <bogo_> OK so not nano for an editor?
286 [03:11:37] <Voldenet> Wut.
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288 [03:11:59] <Voldenet> Eh, nano should be fine. Just make sure
you have .ssh directory first
289 [03:12:01] <bogo_> to edit the file
290 [03:12:03] <Voldenet> nano won't do this for you
291 [03:12:08] <bogo_> ah
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294 [03:14:13] <bogo_> lol
295 [03:14:22] <bogo_> OK I saved the file
296 [03:14:55] <bogo_> do I restart ssh
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298 [03:15:14] <Voldenet> nah, it should /just work/
299 [03:15:20] <Voldenet> or it will tell you "invalid
key"
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301 [03:15:55] <Voldenet> or rather "Server refused our
key"
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303 [03:16:03] <bogo_> OK here we go
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308 [03:17:18] <bogo_> yep all good
309 [03:17:21] <bogo_> thanks
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314 [03:20:27] <plasm0duck> Can i take mu chances merging a non
LVM drive with free space?
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322 [03:26:31] <themill> Eryn_1983_FL: usbmount is a largely
broken design that doesn't work in jessie either for some use
cases. (e.g. #774149). udisks2 is the normal replacement.
323 [03:26:32] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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332 [03:30:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok TY
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341 [03:38:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> ughhhh
342 [03:38:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> thats even more ugly then usbmount
343 [03:38:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got to have freaking wrappers and
more code? :(
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366 [04:06:39] <phogg> Eryn_1983_FL: maybe there's an
existing wrapper that makes things nicer for you
367 [04:10:49] <disaster__> Hi i look for a way to push log from
php-fpm chroot pool to syslog. I try to add dev/log (with
$AddUnixListenSocket /var/replaced-url
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409 [04:42:29] <SpeakFreely> Hello, I am trying to use systemctl
edit but it says edit is an unknown operation, why is this? (jessie)
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418 [04:48:34] <ChmEarl> SpeakFreely, you need systemd 219+
419 [04:49:13] <ChmEarl> jessie has 215
420 [04:49:13] <SpeakFreely> ChmEarl: Is it safe to upgrade that
on my box, since it isn't in the default repository?
421 [04:49:28] <ChmEarl> try jessie-backports
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423 [04:51:42] <ChmEarl>
replaced-url
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425 [04:52:08] <SpeakFreely> ChmEarl: Do I do that bu just adding
jessie-backports to the deb and deb-src of ftp.us.debian.org? Or do
I need to make a new line with that? I currently have one with
jessie main contrib and one with jessie-updates
426 [04:52:37] <ChmEarl>
replaced-url
427 [04:52:57] <ChmEarl> meant to post the stub, not the whole
thing
428 [04:53:15] <ChmEarl>
replaced-url
429 [04:53:57] <SpeakFreely> ChmEarl: thanks
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432 [04:54:34] <SpeakFreely> ChmEarl: do I do install or upgrade
in apt-get?
433 [04:55:15] <ChmEarl> install is fine
434 [04:55:39] <SpeakFreely> ChmEarl: cool, thanks :)
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478 [05:38:17] <plasmoduck> I have a question, I want to move
steam and all it's games over to a new ext4 partition I
created. How can I do this?
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481 [05:40:53] <plasmoduck> I'm thinking move the Steam
folder over to the new drive, then symlink it to
~/.local/share/Steam ?
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491 [05:46:59] <somiaj> plasmoduck: you can do that, you might be
able to just tell change the settings in steam and change the game
dir, and then just move the games part.
492 [05:47:21] <plasmoduck> thanks
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522 [06:02:53] <plasmoduck> what do I have to put in my fstab if
I want to mount /dev/sda1 on boot? It's ext4
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557 [06:36:28] <casawi> please come installare driver nvidia su
debian
558 [06:37:04] <Devastator> !nvidia
559 [06:37:04] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing
units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on
Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary
"nvidia" driver, see
replaced-url
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561 [06:40:18] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, casawi
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563 [06:42:46] <casawi> dpkg I followed the guide on site to
install debian nvidia driver however when we reboot Facio only black
screen
564 [06:42:46] <dpkg> casawi: You are person #2 to send an
unparseable request
565 [06:43:13] <Devastator> casawi dpkg is a bot, not a person
566 [06:43:47] <Devastator> casawi if you prefer, there is
#debian-es for spanish speakers
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568 [06:43:54] <casawi> devastator please install nvidia su
debian
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575 [06:51:10] <random_numbers> Is /close
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578 [06:51:29] <kion> I bought a laptop with integrated Intel
graphics and a dedicated nvidia card, How does Debian manage two
card laptops?
579 [06:51:50] <kion> right now it works fine but it is not using
the nvidia card
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596 [07:07:03] <Hood> a little off-topic, I am a teacher and I
want to make my pupils do the tests with an online tool so the
results get recorded from their computers with no "pen and
papaer" work, which irc channel should I go?
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601 [07:16:28] <nkuttler> Hood: online tools sounds like you want
to learn html, css, and some programming language
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603 [07:16:52] <Hood> nkuttler, mm thanks, I don't ant to
develop it, just use it
604 [07:17:09] <nkuttler> ah, i see, i don't know about that
605 [07:17:47] <Hood> nkuttler, I am busy wnoguh preparing my
lectures and eaching them so as to get into developing a test tool
myself
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628 [07:37:15] <themill> Hood: #moodle exists but tends to be
more developers and not active on weekends. (Any of these systems
tends to be pretty complicated to set up btw)
629 [07:39:46] <Hood> themill, t ahnsk, I was thiking of
something lighter than a moodle, maybe a standalone application
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631 [07:41:55] <acresearch> people, I am having a strange bug in
debian 8.7 i am using openconnect to connect to a cisco VPN,,, 20
seconds after connecting the internet stops responding (completely),
once i sever the connection the internet comes back,,,, WHAT is
going on?? how can i fix it?
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633 [07:42:25] <themill> Hood: you could probably pull it off
with a google form or a surveymonkey like thing.
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647 [07:50:45] <Dreaman> tc
648 [07:50:56] <Dreaman> ./j #linux
649 [07:51:15] <Dreaman> not point :)
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655 [07:54:24] <acresearch> Dreaman: i know, was typing mistake
haha
656 [07:54:52] <r__rios> Hello, all. I have a little problem: I
just installed Debian without setting a root password. I thought the
password would then be considered to be blank, but, if I enter no
password when entering the su command, I get an authentication
failure. Help?
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658 [07:55:09] <r__rios> I used the graphical installer
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660 [07:55:15] <Dreaman> ok
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664 [07:58:11] <acheron-a> was finally able to get debian live to
boot in UEFI but now it hangs at ipv6 but my isp does not support it
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666 [07:58:34] <acheron-a> any way to get past that hang? tried s
and cntl+q
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669 [07:59:32] <acresearch> people, I am having a strange bug in
debian 8.7 i am using openconnect to connect to a cisco VPN,,, 20
seconds after connecting the internet stops responding (completely),
once i sever the connection the internet comes back,,,, WHAT is
going on?? how can i fix it?
670 [08:00:21] <acheron-a> why is debian tha ONLY i can't
try in live USB on a modern computer???
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673 [08:01:00] <acheron-a> i guess that why people go for mint
and ubuntu
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677 [08:04:28] <r__rios> acheron-a: You can't?
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679 [08:04:39] <r__rios> Oh nevermind, they left
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695 [08:11:28] <VentGrey> Hello, any experienced MATE desktop
users?
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697 [08:13:07] <themill> r__rios: no root password means that the
installer adds your user to the sudo group and so you use sud
698 [08:13:08] <themill> o
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700 [08:15:36] <acresearch1> does debian have an anti backdoor or
anti hacking thing that prevents VPNs from working?
701 [08:19:20] <VentGrey> ?
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704 [08:20:32] <acresearch1> VentGrey: when i open a VPN my
internet stops working, when i close it the internet immidiatly
comes back
705 [08:20:45] <themill> sounds like a routing problem
706 [08:20:59] <VentGrey> pretty much
707 [08:21:06] <acresearch1> themill: where can i go to fix it,
the VPN service worked well with ubuntu
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710 [08:21:26] <VentGrey> Did you have any added packages in
buntu?
711 [08:21:32] <VentGrey> like the openVPN one?
712 [08:21:42] <themill> most likely it's the local config
that needs fixing
713 [08:21:43] <acresearch1> VentGrey: nope, i used openconnect,
nothing added
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715 [08:21:57] <themill> setting the default route through a VPN
that doesn't want you to do that would lead to exactly that
sort of symptom
716 [08:22:08] <acresearch1> themill: oh
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718 [08:22:29] <acresearch1> themill: ok let me just explain in
more detail so you can help me better:
719 [08:22:35] <VentGrey> please
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722 [08:23:09] <VentGrey> :'v also, just for asking, does
anyone know how to save multiple custom panels in mate tweak?
723 [08:23:13] <acresearch1> themill: VentGrey i use su, enter
password, then (openconnect xxx.xxx.xxx.x) the IP address
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727 [08:24:05] <acresearch1> themill: VentGrey i get successfull
connection, for 20 seconds, then internet freeses
728 [08:24:21] <VentGrey> Ill try to reproduce the problem
729 [08:24:26] <acresearch1> themill: VentGrey all internet, not
just through VPN
730 [08:24:29] <acresearch1> VentGrey: ok
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732 [08:24:45] <VentGrey> did you download it from the official
Debian Repositories? or did you use the tarball?
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735 [08:25:11] * themill knows nothing about openconnect (other than to
run away
736 [08:25:28] <acresearch1> VentGrey: i downloaded from apt-get
737 [08:26:09] <acresearch1> VentGrey: i am new to debian
(installed it yesterday), so i did exactly what i was doing in
ubuntu
738 [08:27:06] <VentGrey> Problem is Debian is not like ubuntu
:c, ubuntu comes with pre-made config files, here in Debian you must
manually do much
739 [08:28:22] <VentGrey> mm weird, my internet does not freeze
but i get an error, mostly a "Failed TLS connection: Invalid
certificate"
740 [08:28:23] <acresearch1> VentGrey: i know, and i am learning
how to do things. i think i learned so far everything i need for my
work (except using the VPN) my last obsticle
741 [08:29:20] <acresearch1> VentGrey: is there something i can
monitor and paste to you, so you can see what my errors are?
742 [08:29:32] <VentGrey> pastebin
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746 [08:30:02] <acresearch1> VentGrey: yes i mean a command on
the terminal to monitor the internet connect and what causes it to
freeze?
747 [08:30:11] <VentGrey> just censor the IP please, it involves
someone's security
748 [08:30:19] <acresearch1> VentGrey: OK
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752 [08:32:11] <acresearch1> VentGrey: someone told me to use
ifconfig to monitor the connection, but there is no ifconfig in
debian right?
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758 [08:32:42] <Aeo> sup
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761 [08:33:52] <Aeo> I'm having an issue with
kvm/qemu/libvirt in how it handles bridge networking. Usually for
the default interface it sets up tons of iptables rules, but I can
do most of the functionalyity I need w/ dnsmasq
762 [08:34:10] <VentGrey> just one command, im honest i
don't know but you can try and use multiple like traceroute, or
you can try journalctl -u NetworkManager to see the logs
763 [08:34:10] <Aeo> i can't figure out how to configure
dnsmasq to do this tho
764 [08:34:19] <Aeo> would appreciate thoughts
765 [08:35:02] <VentGrey> @acresearch1 There is
"ifconfig"on Debian try running as root and if it does not
work maybe it's not installed
766 [08:35:33] <acresearch1> VentGrey: i did, i tried also
apt-get install but i get package not found (i made sure of the
spelling) :-)
767 [08:35:49] <acresearch1> VentGrey: wait
768 [08:35:59] <acresearch1> its ok i got ifconfig
769 [08:36:02] <acresearch1> VentGrey: sorry
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771 [08:36:13] <acresearch1> VentGrey: ok what should i bee
looking for?
772 [08:36:58] <VentGrey> ifconfig is part of the net-tools
package but it is deprecated (maybe because its old)
773 [08:37:22] <VentGrey> you could install it but i reccommend
using "ip addr show"
774 [08:37:31] <acresearch1> VentGrey: ok 1 moment
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777 [08:39:10] <r__rios> Thanks themill
778 [08:39:42] <VentGrey> still pretty new to hexchat XD idk how
to respond to users
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780 [08:41:08] <Aeo> tab complete
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782 [08:42:43] <Dreaman> VentGrey /dialog user
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789 [08:46:40] <VentGrey> Dreaman, Seems legit
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796 [08:57:58] <tjt263> hey, how can i display the drivers used
by my USB peripherals?
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806 [09:02:55] <VentGrey> lsusb?
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820 [09:16:44] <JuPaname> hi
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829 [09:24:21] <acresearch> .
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920 [11:05:03] <emensee> hi wonderworld
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963 [11:34:33] <thecha> hi i added two entries for an external
usb hdd to ount at startup in my debian, now it wont start, if i
comment out the entries it starts , is there a service or something
that i need to restart to apply the changes before i reboot? sudo
reboot didnt work and lead to not being able to boot again
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968 [11:38:07] <towo`> thecha, as long, as you don't provide
your entries, no one can help you
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1007 [12:05:17] <thecha> towo`→ may i provide my entries as a
paste to paste bin?
1008 [12:05:43] <towo`> sore, how else?
1009 [12:05:46] <towo`> *sure
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1014 [12:09:20] <thecha> sorry my browser wont permit some shady
pastebin scripts, here the line in question: /dev/sba1 /media
ntfs-3g default, uid=33,gid=33,umask=027
1015 [12:09:55] <thecha> towo i have another second entry which is
just the partition two (sba2) and everthing else is the same just
another gid and uid (1000)
1016 [12:10:02] <thecha> towo`
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1018 [12:10:52] <towo`> /dev/sba1 is not a device
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1021 [12:11:17] <towo`> /media is not a good idea as mountpoint
1022 [12:11:29] <towo`> you should realy read the manpages for
fstab
1023 [12:11:31] <thecha> sorry it was sda ( typo)
1024 [12:11:39] <thecha> ty
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1026 [12:11:50] <themill> hence using a pastebin like
paste.debian.net
1027 [12:12:11] <thecha> themill→ ty
1028 [12:12:19] <awayand> ha
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1030 [12:12:39] <thecha> towo`→ i didnt knwo there wer man
pages for config files liek that
1031 [12:12:40] <han-solo> towo`: why is it a bad idea?
1032 [12:12:44] <thecha> thanks i am gonna just read that
1033 [12:12:57] <towo`> han-solo, kidding?
1034 [12:13:01] <themill> section 5 of the manual is file formats
1035 [12:13:12] <han-solo> no
1036 [12:13:17] <towo`> han-solo, in /media are subfolders for
auto mounted media
1037 [12:13:30] <thecha> it's<200 lines i am jsut gonna
read the tnire thing
1038 [12:13:34] <thecha> :D thanks friends
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1042 [12:14:04] <teraflops> thecha: that's the spirit!
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1046 [12:15:03] <thecha> teraflops→ :D
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1080 [12:35:53] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
1081 [12:36:56] <blackflow> morning.
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1141 [13:13:04] <Leonardo-1> Hi, everyone, I have a problem that
needs to be solved. How to make shadowsocks global proxy? Do not use
proxifier, proxycap and other software, because they have no effect
on some software, and the efficiency is very low.
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1145 [13:15:28] <Orbstheorem> Hello, I was working in a text file
which I've been working on for 2 days and store on /tmp, my
computer just abnormally power off and I would like to retrieve that
file. I cannot boot a live as I don't have any boot media. Is
there anyway to prevent the system from deleting the file?
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1152 [13:19:07] <petn-randall> Orbstheorem: You could try booting
with init=/bin/bash.
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1160 [13:22:09] <Orbstheorem> How I didn't think about that!
Thanks!
1161 [13:22:43] <CrazyTux> why has Debian not made efforts to
present itself as a beginner friendly, out of the box distro? like
Mint.
1162 [13:25:43] <blackflow> need to define "beginner
friendly".
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1166 [13:27:26] <CrazyTux> I meant, like Mint or Ubuntu
1167 [13:27:52] <blackflow> still need to define what
"beginner friendly" actually means. I find Debian very
easy to use, if "ease of use" is definition of it.
1168 [13:27:54] <CrazyTux> Really like the stability of Debian.
1169 [13:28:08] <CrazyTux> yes. ease of use.
1170 [13:28:37] <blackflow> there's a lot of choice in the
gnu/linux ecosystem and that is very unfriendly for people with zero
experience with it, they wouldn't know where to start. for
that, starting with a distro that assumes a lot and preconfigures a
lot, like Ubuntu, is the best choice, leaving power-use distros like
Debian a solid, minimalist base one can rely on when experience is
accrued.
1171 [13:28:46] <CrazyTux> what should I do if I want the latest
version of a package in Debian.
1172 [13:29:29] <CrazyTux> blackflow, I totally agree with you.
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1211 [13:57:46] <abff> CrazyTux run sid
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1229 [14:07:05] <at0m> dpkg: tell abff about backports
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1234 [14:10:25] <abff> at0m backports come from testing, right?
testing is frozen right now, missing CrazyTux was curious about the
latest.
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1239 [14:13:56] <Iridos> he was already gone
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1241 [14:14:24] <Iridos> and the answer would have been …
if you want the very latest, then compile and install yourself
outside the package system in /usr/local/ in some way you see fit
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1261 [14:28:34] <question> hello
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1264 [14:29:04] <question> I was wondering if I could ask a
question about creating a custom linux distribution like just
browsing
1265 [14:29:22] <question> something more than puppy linux but
more uptodate than justbrowsing cd
1266 [14:29:30] <question> I tried suse studio but the website is
down
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1274 [14:33:58] <sn0wmonster> i'm making a startup script for
my debian7 box and i'd like to make it run a program as a
specific user
1275 [14:34:04] <sn0wmonster> how do i do that?
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1277 [14:34:56] <sn0wmonster> and do i need to include the
password of that user if i run a progrma as that user? even if
i'm not running as root?
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1282 [14:39:33] <blackflow> sn0wmonster: iirc, start-stop-daemon
specifies -u and -g, check the manpage it's been a while since
I looked at sysvinit
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1288 [14:44:24] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello. I have
cross-debootstrapped Debian for an ARM architecture, working on an
Intel PC running Debian. Now I'm trying to add some packages to
the new filesystem. I used chroot into that filesystem. Then apt-get
install <package>. In particular, I need acpid. When the
system tries to configure it, I get "Cannot open netlink
socket: Address family not supported by protocol". Any idea?
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1301 [14:51:23] <acresearch> hello people. i am having problems
with VPN on debian, VPN works excellent, but the internet freezes
(but everything works through the VPN), when the vpn is stoppe the
internet return immidiatly. I am using openconnect and cisco's
encryption. Can anyone help me please?
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1304 [14:54:38] <rootkea> Hello! How one can add text/modify text
printed on `./configure --help`?
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1309 [14:58:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps
1310 [14:59:07] <acresearch> Hello71: Eryn_1983_FL
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1312 [14:59:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> is it ok if i drop a
MAILTO=user1@nowhere.org,user2@somewhere.org into cron.weekly files
stupid apps are sending to wrong addres and making mailgun angry
yellow
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1314 [14:59:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> i use ssmtp so its sending to the
postmaster there..
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1316 [15:00:04] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: Usually you fix your
/etc/aliases to redirect it to the right place.
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1318 [15:00:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> oh ok
1319 [15:01:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok.. can i put addresses in there?
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1323 [15:03:05] <martin3> hi. installing linux in vm. how many
processors and how many cores per cpu should i give to vm? i have
4790k, i won't be doing anything resource intensive on host and
vm at the same time
1324 [15:03:20] <martin3> 4 physical cores, 8 with hyperthreading
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1329 [15:06:23] <dvs> martin3, I'd give 1 CPU and 2 cores.
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1338 [15:11:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> petn-randall: can i put
soemthing@nothing.com?
1339 [15:12:01] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: Is nothing.com
registered on your name?
1340 [15:12:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> its an example petn-randall
1341 [15:12:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> or something@gmail.com
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1345 [15:15:02] <blackflow> Eryn_1983_FL: for ssmtp you need
revaliases
1346 [15:15:08] <acresearch> hello people. i am having problems
with VPN on debian, VPN works excellent, but the internet freezes
(but everything works through the VPN), when the vpn is stoppe the
internet return immidiatly. I am using openconnect and cisco's
encryption. Can anyone help me please?
1347 [15:15:34] <blackflow> Eryn_1983_FL: I don't remember
the actual path on Debian but something along the lines of
/etc/ssmtp/revaliases
1348 [15:16:30] <sypher> acresearch: Your VPN is directing all of
your traffic through the tunnel, rather than only the networks that
lie on the other side of the VPN. The remote end may not be allowing
traffic that comes through the VPN to be routed to the internet.
This is a large problem space and will likely require more resources
to resolve than this channel can provide.
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1351 [15:17:26] <acresearch> but sypher the exact same setup
worked perfectly in ubuntu, what is different in debian?
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1354 [15:19:00] <sypher> acresearch: I have no idea what
differences between the two may be affecting your particular issue.
1355 [15:20:15] <acresearch> sypher: so then where can i go to
find people to help me? i just installed debian yesterday
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1373 [15:28:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah i got one.. blackflow
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1375 [15:28:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> I thought that was where it was
sent from not to..
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1380 [15:31:26] <disaster__> hi i want to get logs by rsyslog from
php-fpm chrooted pool. I try two methods, set a dev/log socket in
chroot place and turn catch_workers_output on. But for both method i
only have the first error from the php script in my logs. I have
everything when i write directly in log file. If someone know or
think to know...
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1388 [15:35:18] <init7> could anyone here give me a clue which is
the best web hosting control panel for debian (open source for sure)
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1390 [15:35:39] <sypher> init7: They all suck.
1391 [15:35:56] <init7> sypher: so ur saying going to comercial
1392 [15:36:02] <sypher> init7: No, those suck, too.
1393 [15:36:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> so what is happening is that
cron.weekly was sending emails to the email address in
/etc/ssmtp/rev*
1394 [15:36:16] <init7> sypher: so do things manually u say :P
1395 [15:36:26] <sypher> init7: They all mangle the hell out of
the OS in ways that are incredibly difficult to diagnose. So, yes,
do things manually.
1396 [15:37:19] <init7> sypher: thank you
1397 [15:37:48] <sypher> init7: Probably not the answer you wanted
to hear, but it'll pay off in the long run.
1398 [15:38:37] <init7> sypher: thank you for the advice man
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1406 [15:40:01] <teraflops> init7: I agree with sypher, you
don't an additional layer of junk IMHO
1407 [15:40:38] <teraflops> do not need^
1408 [15:40:52] <rootkea> Hello! How one can add text/modify text
printed on `./configure --help`?
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1410 [15:43:08] <init7> teraflops: well understand ;) thank you
both teraflops and sypher
1411 [15:43:13] <teraflops> init7: depending on the number of
machines you manage, I'd say yes, or use something like ansible
or salt or whatever if you manage several machines
1412 [15:43:58] <teraflops> yes to the manually bit^
1413 [15:44:31] <blackflow> Eryn_1983_FL: isn't that what you
want?
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1427 [15:57:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> uh noo
1428 [15:57:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> cause it doesnt work
1429 [15:57:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need it to go to gmail not
mailgun mailgun only sends not receives
1430 [15:58:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> that is only to populate the from
entry so it doesnt bounce due to not being the true from location,
1431 [15:58:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> which freaking tmobile does..
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1446 [16:07:15] <Bob360> Hi
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1557 [17:12:31] <sharp15> is there a way to map the partitions to
/dev numbers? other than /etc/fstab? i'm trying to decide what
partitions are in use for a wipe/reinstall
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1560 [17:13:22] <sharp15> also i can't get 'sudo
gparted' to connect to the local xserver.
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1574 [17:21:43] <Delf> What are Debians main goals?
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1576 [17:22:09] <abff>
replaced-url
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1579 [17:22:46] <Delf> abff: I'm not new to Debian, thanks
anyways.
1580 [17:23:06] <abrotman> Delf: perhaps you mean the Social
Contract?
1581 [17:23:16] <Delf> I fell in love a long time ago, no needs to
convince me.
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1584 [17:23:36] <abrotman> Delf:
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1585 [17:24:16] <Delf> I meant the technical goals
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1587 [17:24:26] <Delf> Stability being one, no?
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1590 [17:25:44] <abff> Well I mean that's the goal of one
particular dev branch
1591 [17:25:54] <Papillon> is armhf one of the main architectures?
Like amd64?
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1593 [17:26:15] <Delf> A lot of people seem to have issues with
Debian and some people do not even want to help me because I'm
using Debian… doesn't prevent me from using Debian and I
sure ain't switching to… other dists
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1595 [17:26:29] <TomTomTo1> yes, armhf is an official port.
1596 [17:26:51] <sypher> Delf: That position boggles the mind. I
find that Debian has the least amount of "distro-specific
wonkiness" as compared to other distros.
1597 [17:27:03] <abff> Delf the social contract has a lot of
answers
1598 [17:27:24] <abrotman> sypher: that largely depends on the
package in question
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1602 [17:28:38] <sypher> abrotman: As a general statement, I find
it to be true. I'm sure there are plenty of Debian-isms, but in
general, they affect what I do less than doing the same tasks in
other distros.
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1604 [17:29:21] <Papillon>
replaced-url
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1606 [17:29:41] <Papillon> looks like it didn't qualify for
jessie, but there is mention of some kind of waiver, or lack of
waiver?
1607 [17:30:05] <Papillon> hf wasn't even a candidate
1608 [17:30:13] <Papillon> armhf
1609 [17:30:47] <Delf> The only time I had issues with Debian is
when it comes to hardware support, drivers. New drivers requiring
new kernel but that was easily solved by installing newer kernel
from backports.
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1611 [17:31:13] <jelly> Papillon, armhf is supported arch in
jessie,
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1627 [17:36:38] <Papillon> it would be nice if the architecture
support info was easier to find, and if they gave you more
information. I guess it means critical bugs are ignored by the
jessie release team?
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1631 [17:37:23] <Delf> It would be nice if I knew more so I could
update the wiki's :P
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1634 [17:39:08] <Papillon> it would be nice if there was one wiki
to rule them all and it would have little pop downs for specific
distros where appropriate
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1637 [17:40:26] <Delf> Papillon: No needs, there's already
One Distro to rule them all ;)
1638 [17:40:31] <blackflow> Eryn_1983_FL: how does mailgun even
come in the picture? ssmtp will send out to whatever gateway you
specify, for each user:email:gateway mapping
1639 [17:40:41] <Papillon> hannah montana linux?
1640 [17:40:49] <blackflow> Eryn_1983_FL: and btw mailgun can send
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1646 [17:42:51] <Delf> Blasphemy!
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1668 [17:57:00] <abff> ,v parted
1669 [17:57:01] <judd> Package: parted on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.3-12;
jessie: 3.2-7; sid: 3.2-17; stretch: 3.2-17
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1801 [19:13:27] <sine0> is anyone familiar with pgp in the deb
environement and know what package i need to pull in
1802 [19:14:09] <petn-randall> sine0: gnupg/gnupg2
1803 [19:14:35] <sine0> which one shall i use?
1804 [19:14:56] <petn-randall> sine0: Whatever suits you. gnupg2
is more modern.
1805 [19:15:12] <sine0> I just want to create a key pair for
encrypting emails
1806 [19:15:23] <sine0> .asc file
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1810 [19:17:29] <sine0> i already haz it
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1825 [19:23:05] <tables> how do i show my init scripts that boot?
1826 [19:23:12] <tables> i wanna be able to see all my init
scripts at boot up
1827 [19:23:18] <tables> with the [OK] and what not
1828 [19:23:22] <nkuttler> what do yuo mean?
1829 [19:23:36] <nkuttler> that's the default, is it not?
1830 [19:23:39] <tables> i remember some other linux distros
showing the initscripts as they boot up
1831 [19:23:48] <tables> my debian 8 doesn't do that
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1837 [19:27:08] <binbox> hello
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1839 [19:27:45] <binbox> hello?
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1841 [19:27:47] <LtL> tables: remove 'quiet' from the
grub boot line should do it
1842 [19:27:55] <tables> thx
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1844 [19:28:08] <tables> is this in grub.conf?
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1846 [19:29:05] <LtL> tables: no, /etc/default/grub -or- hit
'c' at the grub screen on boot
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1848 [19:29:51] <LtL> tables: /etc/default/grub ->
'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
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1851 [19:31:53] <tables> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
1852 [19:31:58] <tables> that's what i did and it
doesn't work
1853 [19:32:30] <tables> i still can't see my initscripts
that load up
1854 [19:33:09] <LtL> tables: try commenting that line, if not
can't help you
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1863 [19:37:10] <Brigo> tables, you have to update grub after edit
that file
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1865 [19:37:34] <Brigo> with update-grub
1866 [19:38:07] <LtL> Brigo: i suspected that but didn't want
to wreck anything
1867 [19:38:28] <LtL> Brigo: so... thx
1868 [19:38:33] <Brigo> there is no harm in that as log as your
modification are correct :)
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1871 [19:39:28] <Brigo> but your modification are useless without
grub-update anyway. You have to write the modification to the MBR
with update-grub.
1872 [19:39:39] <sypher> Brigo: No.
1873 [19:40:03] <sypher> Brigo: Modifications to /etc/default/grub
require regenerating grub's configuration, which is not written
to the loader code in the MBR.
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1875 [19:40:39] <Brigo> sypher, ayway, then :D
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1878 [19:40:49] <sypher> tables: update-grub is the correct
command, but that's not what update-grub does. Short answer:
Run update-grub whenever you change /etc/default/grub.
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1920 [20:08:00] <hid3> Greetings everyone. I have a HP Microserver
Gen 8 with Xeon 1265Lv2 CPU and 12 GB of RAM. Of course it needs to
run Debian but the problem is that I need to run one Windows machine
too. What would be the best solution to accomodate those two on a
single box? Run VMware ESXi and run both machines independently or
run Debian as a bare metal OS on it and somehow host Windows machine
VM there?
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1924 [20:11:05] <sypher> hid3: ESXi is likely going to be the
better option.
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1927 [20:12:25] <sypher> hid3: That way both operating systems can
be managed as separate entities, without any interdependence between
the two.
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1929 [20:12:43] <sypher> hid3: I'm also of the opinion that a
hypervisor should not perform any other duties, for security
purposes.
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1932 [20:13:27] <hid3> well, this is an internal system so
security is not that important
1933 [20:13:41] <hid3> also, the Windows VM will be mostly idling
and not performing any task
1934 [20:13:44] <sypher> hid3: Famous last words. That statement
is virtually never true.
1935 [20:13:51] <hid3> :)
1936 [20:14:14] <sypher> hid3: You've asked for an opinion,
and you're getting one. You're welcome to reject it, of
course, but one then asks why you asked for an outside opinion in
the first place.
1937 [20:14:26] <hid3> the problem is that I'm not familiar
with virtualisation at all. All I know about ESXi is those 4
letters, that's it. Never seen it live, never
configured/managed/etc...
1938 [20:14:40] <sypher> hid3: ESXi is actually quite easy to
install and manage.
1939 [20:14:50] <hid3> good to know.
1940 [20:15:24] <hid3> alright, then will go the ESXi route. I
have two disks (8 TB and 2 TB) so will place those two VMs on
separate disks. And the ESXi will probably be run out of SD card
1941 [20:15:51] <sypher> hid3: That's the common
configuration, yes, aside from the mismatched disks and whatnot.
1942 [20:16:12] <hid3> also, my Xeon supports hardware AES
encryption and some other features. Will those be available to the
VM machine running Debian? Won't they become "lost"
somewhere amond virtualisation levels?
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1944 [20:16:40] <sypher> hid3: No, ESXi exposes the full
instruction set to the VMs. It actually presents the CPUs as
hardware.
1945 [20:16:52] <hid3> that's great
1946 [20:17:10] <sypher> hid3: The VM will see the actual CPU,
except that the number of physical/logical processors will match
what you provide to the VM.
1947 [20:17:34] <hid3> also, a colleague told me some time ago
that a VM can actually in some scenarions outperform physical
machine on the same hardware. Hard to believe. Is there any chance
this statement might be true?
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1952 [20:18:28] <sypher> Perhaps due to resource scheduling,
caching behavior, or something, but I'd imagine that to be a
corner case.
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1956 [20:18:57] <hid3> OK... Now all I need is an SD card and some
luck deploying/configuring this setup
1957 [20:19:20] <hid3> How much space does ESXi take? What size
card should I be ordering? (sorry for getting a bit offtipic at this
point)
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1959 [20:20:26] <RebelCoder> Guys. Most of my apps open up in a
different language. I have tried everything now but this export
LANGUAGE=en_US:ru
1960 [20:20:28] <sypher> hid3: ESXi is quite small. I see people
using 8GB SD cards. Consult VMware's documentation.
1961 [20:20:36] <RebelCoder> Always sets back to this value.
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1963 [20:21:19] <RebelCoder> dpkg-reconfigure locales,
locale-gen... do not help...
1964 [20:21:54] <RebelCoder> I set LANGUAGE=en_US:en in every each
way, but it goes back to :ru after a reboot.
1965 [20:21:55] <RebelCoder> Any idea ?
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1967 [20:22:11] <hid3> Good. Thanks for clearing many doubts in my
head... This channel has been great for already more than 15 years I
know it...
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1970 [20:23:31] <sypher> hid3: I'd recommend a 16GB or larger
card. They're relatively cheap.
1971 [20:23:49] <sypher> hid3: And go for a UHS-1/class 10 card
for boot speed.
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1975 [20:25:31] <sypher> hid3: A 32GB UHS-2/class-3 SD card goes
for $60 on Amazon.
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1977 [20:26:42] <hid3> Does card speed/class influence only boot
speed? I don't care about that absolutely, unless it's 5
minutes or so difference...
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1979 [20:27:21] <SwedeMike> hid3: remember that these SD/CF cards
typically aren't made for lots of writes, they have less
overprovisioning compared to SSDs.
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1982 [20:27:35] <hid3> The microserver itself takes long to boot
(it goes through various checks, etc..). So speedy card will not
cure the initial long boot :)
1983 [20:27:47] <sypher> hid3: Oh yeah, HP.
1984 [20:27:54] <hid3> yeah, I know that about limited write count
1985 [20:27:56] <sypher> SwedeMike: He's got disks, so
he's not really going to be writing to the card.
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1987 [20:28:11] <hid3> yeah, HP, but I haven't found any
other server with low power consumption for that price
1988 [20:28:26] <SwedeMike> sypher: ok, then I guess it's
fine.
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1990 [20:28:55] <sypher> hid3: Then you can get a UHS-1/C10 card
for $14 on Amazon, 32GB.
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1992 [20:29:37] <sypher> Let's move this over to offtopic.
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1997 [20:30:28] <Enrico_Menotti> I am setting up Debian on an ARM
device. It boots, but I'd need to read the messages at boot
time. Is there a place where they are logged, so that I may read
them by accessing the file system from my host computer, when the
device is shut down?
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1999 [20:30:31] <hid3> will decide about the card choice tomorrow.
Now I need a good rest after hard weekend :)
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2002 [20:30:54] <hid3> BTW, will be installing Debian 9 already.
Sadly 'businesscard' ISO is no longer available. Loved it
so much...
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2004 [20:31:47] <Orbstheorem> Hello, what can I do to reduce the
power consumption of my laptop?
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2009 [20:32:18] <sypher> Enrico_Menotti: /var/log/kern.log,
possibly? Depending on what you're after?
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2011 [20:32:56] <Enrico_Menotti> sypher There's no such file.
2012 [20:33:15] <sypher> Enrico_Menotti: That might be an
architectural difference, then. I might not be much help, here.
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2015 [20:34:13] <teraflops> Enrico_Menotti: jessie or stretch?
2016 [20:34:28] <Enrico_Menotti> teraflops Jessie.
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2018 [20:34:32] <teraflops> oh
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2020 [20:34:58] <Guest> 200BC * present
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2024 [20:38:21] <zykotick9> Orbstheorem: check out
"powertop"
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2026 [20:39:42] <Orbstheorem> zykotick9: I'm looking at it
rn, but for some reason, my cpu stays on C2 all the time
2027 [20:40:04] <zykotick9> Orbstheorem: sorry, i have no further
suggestion... best of luck.
2028 [20:40:37] <disaster__> Hi i would like to know if it's
possible to live look at local2 cause i suspect a queue problem but
i want to see if he get message
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2144 [21:42:03] <dispel> Can I use a kernel from jessie-backports
on stretch?
2145 [21:42:07] <m1dnight_> hey guys, im confused about the
systemd generator for sysv scripts.
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2147 [21:42:41] <m1dnight_> I have been trying to figure out how
to add an env var to a transmission sysv script. and ive learned
that systemd generates a systemd script for that sysv script
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2149 [21:43:13] <m1dnight_> but I have found that script located
in /lib/systemd/system, and not in /run/systemd/generator.late/ as I
found onlin
2150 [21:43:21] <m1dnight_> can anyone point me to some docs to
figure this out?
2151 [21:43:37] <babilen> dispel: Why would you want to?
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2154 [21:45:46] <dispel> babilen, I want to use
replaced-url
2155 [21:45:55] <dispel> it comes in jessie-backports or sid
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2157 [21:46:05] <dispel> I'm on stretch
2158 [21:46:10] <dispel> I don't want to upgrade everything
to sid though
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2164 [21:49:17] <babilen> Just pull it from sid
2165 [21:49:27] <dispel> Probably I'm supposed to use the sid
package and then backport it to stretch
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2168 [21:50:00] <babilen> Well, up until the freeze packages were
transitioning from sid to stretch regularly
2169 [21:50:01] <blackflow> dispel: have you used the grsec kernel
before on Debian?
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2172 [21:50:23] <babilen> Not sure what the best approach is for
the time after the release, but right now I'd just grab it from
sid
2173 [21:50:26] <babilen> dpkg: ssm
2174 [21:50:26] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one
set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to
install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to
SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set
Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this
setup to track <stretch> after its release.
2175 [21:50:36] <babilen> blackflow: ^ see for a way to
"mix"
2176 [21:51:01] <blackflow> I was only to inquire about stability
of it, if it's used before.
2177 [21:51:06] <dispel> blackflow yes on jessie
2178 [21:51:12] <blackflow> also rumor has it grsec will
discontinue even the testing patches for public
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2181 [21:52:34] <dispel> Debian needs something like this
replaced-url
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2189 [21:54:57] <blackflow> dispel: that's pretty much just
the hardened kernel and pic/pie compiler flags on packages,
something Debian already does where possible, if I'm not
mistaken.
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2191 [21:55:13] <blackflow> s/hardened/grsec patched/
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2193 [21:55:55] <blackflow> so installing the grsec kernel is
pretty much it.
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2201 [21:57:26] <babilen> judd: v linux-patch-grsecurity2
2202 [21:57:27] <judd> Package: linux-patch-grsecurity2 on amd64
-- wheezy: 2.9.1+3.2.21-201206221855-1; jessie:
3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1; sid: 3.1+4.9.11-201702181444-1
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2209 [21:59:20] <dispel> blackflow, it's Grsec + SELinux for
MAC w/ configs + IMA + EVM
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2212 [21:59:46] <blackflow> selinux is not default on hardened
gentoo
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2214 [22:02:25] <dispel> blackflow, how many minutes does it take
you to install and have fully configured those 4 things on 10
workstations?
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2216 [22:02:36] <dispel> just the software side
2217 [22:03:35] <blackflow> I'd say it takes far less on
Debian. Besides, if you have multiple machines, consider something
like ansible.
2218 [22:03:42] <dispel> Can you download the Debian-Hardened iso
file and install it on the installation destination
2219 [22:04:01] <blackflow> and... good luck with grsec and
selinux in xorg environment :) no, really, I never had the patience
for it.
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2221 [22:04:19] <dispel> there's a grsec-nvidia driver
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2223 [22:04:31] <blackflow> dispel: you can always prepare such an
ISO if it's important. I prefer the ansible way.
2224 [22:05:11] <dispel> Now I'm the maintainer of that
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2227 [22:05:37] <blackflow> of what?
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2229 [22:05:39] <dispel> I don't want to be the maintainer of
Debian Hardened, I want to contribute to it
2230 [22:05:43] <blackflow> ah
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2234 [22:06:50] <blackflow> gentoo is a source based distro,
having a hardened profile is just a set of preset USE flags to
compile with grsec and pax
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2236 [22:07:24] <blackflow> Debian hardened... either you just
apt-get the kernel, selinux+tools which is really minute or so, or
you have to maintain the whole repo of all the packages patched the
way gentoo-hardened compiles them.
2237 [22:07:36] <blackflow> at any rate, it's not just as
simple as having a stage-3 like ISO for Debian.
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2260 [22:17:22] <dispel> blackflow, that's the 5th thing
Hardened Gentoo provides, the flags in the hardened profile
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2262 [22:17:41] <dispel> in Debian, of course it would be a whole
repo
2263 [22:17:44] <mender27> Good evening ladies and gentleman :).
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2266 [22:18:23] <blackflow> dispel: and from what I know Debian
already compiles with PIE/PIC here possible. so the only thing that
makes it different from gentoo-hardened is the grsec kernel.
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2268 [22:18:47] <mender27> Someone wants a grsec kernel for
Debian?
2269 [22:18:49] <missmbob> testing/sid do. not stable
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2271 [22:19:34] <dispel> blackflow: you're using IMA and EVM
on Debian?
2272 [22:20:28] <blackflow> dispel: isn't that part of the
kernel?
2273 [22:20:39] <blackflow> do you have to recompile userland
packages for iT?
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2275 [22:21:38] <blackflow> dispel: or in other words, what
changes to the userland you have to make to make Debian like
gentoo-hardened?
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2277 [22:21:58] <blackflow> because the grsec kernel is an apt-get
install away, so is gradm for RBAC
2278 [22:22:17] <blackflow> or selinux tools, or apparmor tools
(which I'm using, btw)
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2296 [22:29:13] <awal1> why as root
"reboot/poweroff/shutdown/suspend" is called without
systemctl?
2297 [22:29:49] <awal1> user: systemctl reboot....; root: just
reboot...
2298 [22:31:16] <teraflops> awal1: is there more than one reboot
binary (symlink)?
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2301 [22:32:22] <dispel> blackflow, they require some setup,
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2304 [22:32:39] <dispel>
replaced-url
2305 [22:32:40] <teraflops> awal1: because those commands are
symlinks to systemctl…
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2309 [22:33:10] <dispel> Debian doesn't have this configured
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2311 [22:33:35] <blackflow> dispel: the kernel has the options
enabled
2312 [22:33:46] <blackflow> dispel: so configure the rest. :)
2313 [22:33:48] <dispel> which is why I asked for minutes
2314 [22:34:02] <blackflow> still far less minutes than installing
gentoo
2315 [22:34:33] <boodie> Hi (Jessie 8.7); I'm trying to
interface a Motorola G Play smartphgone to my Linux box via MTP, but
it doesn't work & I'm a bit lost ... any hints?
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2324 [22:39:01] <RythmStick> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY YU736sound
2325 [22:39:20] <blackflow> good one
2326 [22:39:36] <blackflow> sasl login is really just a config
line in most irc clients
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2337 [22:45:16] <autofsck1> i have a problem, sometimes the X
restarts, i use lxde
2338 [22:45:20] <acheron-a> had a question, does anyone know how
to break out of the hang at ipv6 on startup on a live boot?
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2349 [22:52:36] <boodie> Hi (Jessie 8.7); I'm trying to
interface a Motorola G Play smartphone to my Linux box via MTP, but
it doesn't work & I'm a bit lost ... any hints?
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2355 [22:55:41] <nkuttler> boodie: shotwell has just worked with
my g (2nd gen)
2356 [22:55:56] <nkuttler> i think it uses gphoto2 internally
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2358 [22:56:22] <teraflops> boodie: jessie?
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2361 [22:56:41] <awal1> teraflops, I have no clue
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2364 [22:57:38] <teraflops> awal1: what I meant is that I dbout
that as root it is calling a different binary
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2370 [22:59:31] <boodie> teraflops: 8.7 Stable
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2373 [22:59:50] <boodie> MAybe it's called wheezy ..
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2375 [23:00:09] <teraflops> boodie: how are you trying to access
the phone?
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2379 [23:02:04] <boodie> Firstly just by pluggin it via USB, then
opening the file manager. Phone is recognized as "Moto G
Play", a directory appears, but it's void
2380 [23:02:35] <boodie> Then I tried the various mtp-tools,
without success ...
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2384 [23:03:46] <boodie> Before I had an ASUS Zenfone 2, which
worked flawlessly with deb, but unfortunately it had an
'accident', so I am trying with the mototrola, which has
this mtp nightmare
2385 [23:03:51] <teraflops> boodie: which file manager is this?
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2388 [23:04:39] <teraflops> boodie: also what does journalctl say
when you plug the phone in and click on it?
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2391 [23:05:18] <boodie> I believe the windows 32bit ...
2392 [23:05:59] <boodie> No journal files were found.
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2394 [23:06:05] <teraflops> as root
2395 [23:06:07] <boodie> FAT32
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2397 [23:06:46] <teraflops> boodie: your not making any sense
other at least I have no idea what are you talking about
2398 [23:06:57] <teraflops> regarding windows and fat32
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2400 [23:07:16] <teraflops> not do I lol sorry
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2402 [23:07:31] <teraflops> it is the phone i
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2411 [23:08:38] <teraflops> boodie: sudo joutnalctl -f
2412 [23:08:54] <teraflops> then plug the phone
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2414 [23:09:14] <boodie> Ok; I have connected the Android device
and I want to read / write files on a SD card. This phone, contrary
to another android I had before, makes use of the mtp protocol. I am
trying to access the SD storage, but I can't.
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2416 [23:10:06] <teraflops> boodie: yeah. sorry my typos I'm
on the phone.
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2418 [23:11:04] <teraflops> boodie: still you did not say wich
filemanager is this
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2420 [23:11:22] <teraflops> nor the joutnalctl output
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2423 [23:11:56] <teraflops> gvfs mtp should be enough
2424 [23:12:15] <boodie> The file manager is the standard provided
with XFCE, I also have dolphin and I have the same issue
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2426 [23:12:46] <boodie> What is the repo where to dump the
outputs?
2427 [23:12:49] <awal1> teraflops, I understand reboot... is a
symlink to systemctl, obviously, my question was almost how/where
things are configured for differentiate the use/interpretation of
systemctl shutdown commands regular user vs root
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2430 [23:13:21] <awal1> by regular user vs root ^
2431 [23:13:37] <teraflops> boodie:
replaced-url
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2435 [23:15:01] <autofsck2> hello, the X restarts all of a sudden,
how can i see whts happening? where can i see the logs? im not so
familiar with systemctl and that
2436 [23:15:27] <boodie>
replaced-url
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2438 [23:16:34] <autofsck2> this is an almost new install, maybe
like 2 weeks, my first time using debian
2439 [23:16:36] <ryouma> autofsck2: /var/log should still work
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2441 [23:17:05] <autofsck2> ryouma: i tried to find something
there, but did not find anything
2442 [23:18:01] <ryouma> autofsck2: hmm, this might depend on x
calling context. for example, it might redirect to a file. i do not
use a de, so i defer to anybody who does.
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2444 [23:18:03] <boodie> this is actually what happened when I
unplugged / plugged the phone
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2445 [23:18:29] <ryouma> autofsck2: you can certainly run with
startx and it will tell you your error
2446 [23:18:32] <teraflops> boodie: the output from when the phone
is plugged and you click on it from the file manager would be fine
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2448 [23:18:51] <teraflops> hence my joutnalctl -f
2449 [23:19:01] <ryouma> autofsck2: startx -- :0
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2451 [23:19:14] <ryouma> autofsck2: use a vt
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2453 [23:19:26] <autofsck2> ryouma: well thats the way i used to
run openbox but my hd crashed and i thought debian was more stable
but it isnt, this problem is driving me crazy and i dont know how to
fix it
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2456 [23:19:59] <ryouma> such problems drive me crazy too, but
i'm confident you can get and find the x error!
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2462 [23:20:27] <teraflops> boodie: hmm
2463 [23:20:35] <ryouma> and then in the worst case, go to xorg
channel or maybe here and pastebin-like the error
2464 [23:20:40] <ryouma> output*
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2469 [23:21:10] <autofsck2> the thing is that i cant find any
error
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2473 [23:21:46] <autofsck2> it just restarts windowslike jajajaja
well not really instead of freezing it restarts
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2476 [23:22:01] <ryouma> ok, you are out of my depth
2477 [23:22:04] <teraflops> boodie: I have the same issue using
Debian testing
2478 [23:22:06] <boodie>
replaced-url
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2480 [23:22:37] <teraflops> and my phone works fine with other
linux distros
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2485 [23:23:49] <boodie> Is it to do with mtp not being up to date
with the latest versions of the protocol used by the new generation
of android? I also found that mtp with Moto G only works with USB3
(seems strange)
2486 [23:24:10] <teraflops> boodie: second paste looks like you
installed a bunch of things for accessing the phone
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2488 [23:24:30] <boodie> I read that with a backport mtp it works
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2490 [23:24:38] <teraflops> boodie: no idea tbh. but looks like a
bug to me.
2491 [23:24:39] <boodie> mtp-tools
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2493 [23:25:03] <teraflops> I just checked here with a stretch
machine
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2495 [23:25:09] <teraflops> same issue
2496 [23:25:28] <boodie> Well it seems that I'm not the only
one having issues with mtp and wheezy
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2498 [23:26:11] <boodie> what is it (stretch), testing?
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2505 [23:28:44] <teraflops> boodie: yep
2506 [23:29:15] <boodie>
replaced-url
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2508 [23:30:11] <acheron-a> had a question, does anyone know how
to break out of the hang at ipv6 config (my ISP does not support it)
on the startup of a 8.71 live boot?
2509 [23:30:52] <ragutierrez> Hello, I need help installing xorg
for Nvidia graphics card
2510 [23:31:08] <Dagger> acheron-a: what does it say on screen?
normally there's no v6 config beyond processing RAs, and it
doesn't wait for those during boot
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2512 [23:31:18] <ragutierrez> I did a kernel update
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2514 [23:31:55] <boodie> they claim that simple-mtpfs works.
'mkdir ~/moto_g' , followed by 'simple-mtpfs
moto_g' ... problem is: does simple-mtpfs exist in the stable
repository?
2515 [23:32:08] <acheron-a> Dagger, it hangs at configuring the
ipv6 interface
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2518 [23:33:21] <boodie> teraflops:
replaced-url
2519 [23:33:24] <acheron-a> where must be some command to make it
skip that and keep going
2520 [23:33:45] <acheron-a> i tired ctrl+q, and other suff
2521 [23:34:05] <teraflops> boodie: well it happens a lot
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2523 [23:34:29] <acheron-a> i am so sick of my dyslexia cant even
type a simple sentence anymore
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2525 [23:34:50] <teraflops> boodie: maybe you can add a udev rule
for the phone
2526 [23:34:55] <boodie> so, it's matter of waiting that a
device is included in the library
2527 [23:35:02] <boodie> me ???
2528 [23:35:12] <teraflops> or what I said
2529 [23:35:42] <boodie> I think it's a bit above my
capabilities
2530 [23:36:00] <Dagger> I mean, if it's just the "no v6
routers found" message then that's just informative,
it's not actually waiting for anything
2531 [23:37:17] <acheron-a> this is on initial boot
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2535 [23:39:40] <teraflops> acheron-a: maybe it just hangs and the
latest message is about ipv6 but not related
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2537 [23:39:55] <acheron-a> that could be
2538 [23:40:10] <acheron-a> the install dvd does not do that
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2541 [23:40:38] <acheron-a> just the live cd which i have worked
so hard to get boot on a UEFI system
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2544 [23:41:01] <teraflops> it does not boot very well hehe
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2548 [23:41:34] <acheron-a> i know, its frustrating people
can't test drive debian
2549 [23:41:57] <acheron-a> well i just thought i would ask,
thanks guys
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2553 [23:44:12] <notmike> I am trying to get the Debian installer
to recognize my built-in wireless/bluetooth NIC and use this for the
net-install as I do not have an eth0 connected. I've been at it
all day. Is there some straightforward method that I'm
overlooking?
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2555 [23:45:24] <ryouma> i want moreutils and gnu parallel
simultaneously. but moreutils conflicts with gnu parallel presumably
because it has a version of paralle in it (that i do not want). :(.
is there a solution?
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2560 [23:49:14] <notmike> i hate you
2561 [23:49:43] <ryouma> ?
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2568 [23:53:49] <nkuttler> ryouma: it's fixed in stretch..
you could use dpkg with --force-foo i guess, but that's not
really recommended
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2571 [23:54:12] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport moreutils
2572 [23:54:14] <judd> Backporting package moreutils in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
2573 [23:54:21] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport parallel
2574 [23:54:22] <judd> Backporting package parallel in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
2575 [23:54:31] <nkuttler> or backport those packages yourself
2576 [23:55:09] <ryouma> no bacports i think
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2578 [23:55:27] <nkuttler> !tell ryouma about ssbp
2579 [23:56:13] <boodie> teraflops: solved. On the smartphone, the
USB option selected was "charging" ... I selected
"File Transfers using MTP" et voila'. I feel silly
... apologies
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2581 [23:56:37] <teraflops> lucky you
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2584 [23:57:13] <teraflops> boodie: not working for a galaxy a5
2016 here
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2590 [23:58:24] <boodie> If you scroll the screen, it shows here
"USB for charging - Touch for more options"
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2593 [23:59:13] <el_guapo> Hi, I'm trying to boot a Debian
liveCD from GRUB (using Coreboot). Can you help me figure out what
to write exactly to boot it? There's boot=optical drive, the
linux vmlinuz I have n idea what to write, then same thing for
initrd
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2597 [23:59:57] <teraflops> boodie: yeah I know, no the issue here
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