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3[00:02:34] <karlpinc> Tenkawa: I don't know anything about the MSI B450 but my general install recommenations are: Use the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included. (see the <firmware images> factoid) If you have issues try installing a newer kernel from backports.
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16[00:08:24] <Tenkawa> yeah i know that already ( I have plenty of background in this ) I was just hoping to get lucky that someone would have real usage opinion about that board
17[00:09:19] <Tenkawa> just so many vendors and boards now
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26[00:12:35] <Tenkawa> if anyone has any suggestions on any alternative boards I should tale a look at feel free to msg and thanks in advance
27[00:12:47] <karlpinc> Tenkawa: It's always slightly easer just after a new major Debian release, just because the kernel's newer and likely to support newer hardware....
28[00:13:09] <karlpinc> May as well tell the channel if there's any recommendations.
29[00:13:15] <Tenkawa> nod
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32[00:14:58] <Tenkawa> somtimes its viewed as offtopic though so just making sure
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36[00:19:04] <karlpinc> Tenkawa: If it has to do with debian support it isn't offtopic. Ongoing and detailed hardware comparisions not having to do with debian is probably offtopic. There's also no other support going on right now so there's nothing to interfere with if the discussion starts getting close to the offtopic boundary it won't really matter.
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50[00:26:21] <Masterphi> how do i kill xfce from another tty?
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54[00:27:39] <joepublic> indirectly by killing lightdm, sddm, gdm, whateverdm if you are using such a thing.
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57[00:28:28] <SubCool> why am i having issues ssh;ing into a fresh install
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59[00:28:38] <SubCool> i am new to debian - btw
60[00:28:49] <JordiGH> What does the comma mean in `ls -l /dev/cpu_dma_latency`?
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62[00:29:07] <JordiGH> crw------- 1 root root 10, 62 Feb 5 08:59 /dev/cpu_dma_latency
63[00:29:10] <JordiGH> 10,
64[00:29:12] <JordiGH> what's that?
65[00:29:29] <joepublic> SubCool, did you install openssh-server?
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67[00:29:43] <SubCool> joepublic yes
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69[00:30:21] <joepublic> what happens when you try to ssh?
70[00:30:53] <SubCool> wiat, im on a vpn..
71[00:31:10] <SubCool> imma move to my desktop lol
72[00:31:12] <JordiGH> lol
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86[00:42:03] <SubCool> well, that solved that.
87[00:42:07] <SubCool> thanks. lol
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90[00:43:19] <karlpinc> SubCool: New to debian, then always good to read the <don't break debian> factoid. (It points to the wiki.debian.org page of the same name.)
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162[01:28:29] <johnfg> hi folks
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164[01:28:37] <godane> i noticed that virutalbox 6.0.4 doesn't have a i386 version
165[01:28:41] <godane> why is that?
166[01:29:06] <godane> i can build the kernel module fine using i386 kernel headers and stuff
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169[01:31:41] <OerHeks> Vbox has no i386 packages since 4.x or so
170[01:32:23] <godane> but i had a i386 for 5.2.24
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172[01:34:04] <tomreyn> i think it's 6.0 when they stoppped supporting i386
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174[01:34:14] <godane> a example url : replaced-url
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176[01:34:48] <godane> but other stuff supports i386 like kernel modules
177[01:35:20] <godane> if i have to go amd64 how would you do that in a chroot with i386 host
178[01:35:49] <tomreyn> not
179[01:35:50] <OerHeks> oh right, v 5.x was the last i386 version
180[01:35:52] <godane> i have a 64-bit cpu i just use i386 os wiht pae
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182[01:36:21] <tomreyn> just reinstall
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184[01:36:39] <godane> i can't reinstall cause i do a fraugal install
185[01:36:48] <godane> like livecd + changes
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187[01:36:59] <godane> on hard drive
188[01:37:07] <tomreyn> not sure what this is
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191[01:37:31] <godane> linux-live : replaced-url
192[01:37:38] <godane> i use a custom version of that
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195[01:37:57] <OerHeks> sorry, use vbox 5 or nothing
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200[01:39:52] <tomreyn> i can understand why you would want to do this one-time, for a special event, but always running like like, what's the use case there?
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205[01:42:35] <godane> its my own custom os so i can keep the os fully configure and backed up
206[01:43:27] <godane> also so i don't screw up the os so i can return to clean state if i need too
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213[01:45:45] <godane> i may see if i can use the weekly testing iso mix with my code so i can build my own iso in amd64
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215[01:46:30] <tomreyn> you should consider snapshotting, maybe a portable ssd
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217[01:46:41] <tomreyn> and actual backups
218[01:46:56] <godane> i figure the live weekly build uses squashfs image then i just need to make a custom initrd file with my scripts
219[01:47:05] <godane> i have a backup on usb sticks
220[01:47:32] <godane> i use to build linux distro all the time back in 2008/2009 era
221[01:47:37] <tomreyn> actual backups are on hdds or tape
222[01:47:48] <godane> i have those too
223[01:48:08] <godane> at least the squashfs files of those builds
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230[01:48:59] <johnfg> hi guys
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232[01:49:41] <johnfg> I have debian stretch configured so I get a krb5 key, and openafs token when I login via the console, or through x11vnc.
233[01:49:49] <johnfg> For some reason, I don't get them automatically when I login via ssh.
234[01:49:53] <johnfg> What am I missing?
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243[01:53:22] <johnfg> I do have UsePam yes in sshd_config.
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260[02:03:25] <johnfg> even using ssh -K <ip.address> doesn't give me credentials.
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293[02:45:14] <de-facto> is there a way to tell the kernel to always do echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/docker0/route_localnet ? what would be the security implications?
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295[02:47:02] <de-facto> i mean "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/default/route_localnet", what risk does it imply?
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304[02:53:15] <ross`> x2goclient : Depends: libssh-4 (>= 0.5.4-2~) but it is not going to be installed
305[02:53:47] <ross`> debian_version: 9.8
306[02:53:55] <theluckymike> de-facto: seems this only adds option to use your loopback as source ip when routing. I see more possible routing issues than security ones
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311[02:55:46] <de-facto> theluckymike, what kind of routing issues could arise from that setting?
312[02:56:14] <theluckymike> de-facto: your loopback ip can be anything, when you route packet out of system with such source, other systems with network must know how to route it back
313[02:57:00] <theluckymike> specially, if your loopback is only 127.0.0.1/8, no system will be able to route it back
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315[02:58:19] <de-facto> yes my loopback only is on 127.0.0.1/8, it seems i need that setting to be able to do NAT with iptables to a http forward proxy which previously was at the interface from the lan, but i want to have it on localhost only
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322[03:00:59] <theluckymike> de-facto: I guess something similar like this replaced-url
323[03:01:06] <awal1> how to force a smaller resolution for my tv connected via hdmi?
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325[03:01:17] <theluckymike> awal1: xrandr
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327[03:01:21] <awal1> everythung i tried fails
328[03:01:41] <awal1> theluckymike, already used xrandr/lxrandr
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330[03:01:49] <theluckymike> and what doesn't work?
331[03:02:31] <theluckymike> if you just type xrandr, it should dshow you all connections with default resolutions
332[03:02:32] <awal1> my real problem is: resolution is chosen but full screen video still using maximum screen size
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335[03:03:42] <subcool> Ok. I cant boot into my Xen Kernel. It auto shuts off. Ihave gotten it to work before, but i had to fresh install . So, here we are again.
336[03:03:45] <awal1> i mean i chose 1024x768 and ok fine, but when i put my video, say youtube, in fullscreen mode, video is sized to max 1920x1080
337[03:03:49] <de-facto> theluckymike, yes kinda, its a bit more complicated, i want to transparently http proxy for docker containers, previously i had my forward proxy at docker0 (172.17.0.1) but now moved it to 127.0.0.1 and do a DNAT to that for all docker inferfaces
338[03:03:54] <awal1> theluckymike,
339[03:03:58] <subcool> I am in a normal kernel right now, trying to figure this out,
340[03:04:14] <subcool> how do i view the previous Boot log to see whats up
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342[03:04:23] <theluckymike> de-facto: yes, you will need to enable that for it to work
343[03:04:42] <awal1> also if i put any app window in maximum size border/title bar gets hidden
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345[03:05:04] <theluckymike> some tv's need to be calibrated
346[03:05:09] <de-facto> theluckymike, yes, where can i enable that as early as possible?
347[03:05:23] <de-facto> e.g. before docker starts and creates its interfaces
348[03:05:29] <theluckymike> de-facto: I think it is static setting
349[03:05:52] <de-facto> yet the interfaces came up without that flag
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351[03:06:02] <awal1> i had an extra computer monitor via vga and all fine; i suspect hdmi is a bit problematic with linux or what?
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353[03:07:47] <sneep> subcool: Do you just get a black screen and a reboot after grub?
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355[03:08:53] <awal1> theluckymike, calibrated?
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357[03:12:32] <awal1> calibrated with what
358[03:12:48] <theluckymike> sorry, not really calibrate, sec
359[03:13:23] <ross`> Can anyone help me get x2goclient working on debian 9.8
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361[03:14:18] <theluckymike> 03:46:34> < awal1> also if i put any app window in maximum size border/title bar gets hidden , this sounds as either wrong scaling/resolution or your tv/monitor is doing wrong overscan
362[03:14:19] <awal1> i tried to resize tv screen via it's own settings but i still have same issue: fullscreen video and apps windows in maximized mode still using default max tv size 1920x1080
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364[03:15:02] <awal1> i think the tv is the problem not my debian / openbox
365[03:15:03] <theluckymike> do you have multiple monitors where primary is having same 1920x1080 ?
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367[03:15:29] <awal1> bcoz with another computer monitor via vga no issues at all
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369[03:16:06] <awal1> no, my lvds-1 is 1366x768
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371[03:16:37] <theluckymike> awal1: replaced-url
372[03:16:42] <theluckymike> but yes, seems a monitor / screen setting
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374[03:18:32] <awal1> ok
375[03:20:12] <r3> Sorry for the dumb question, but which image should I use for an older AMD Sempron 150 based system, amd64 or i386?
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377[03:20:33] <theluckymike> i had similar issues with my hdmi connections often, but im still not sure how app can open above its screens resoluton tho, sorry awal1
378[03:20:35] <pagetelegram> I have similar overscan issues....the link you provide suggests a program called "powerstrip" I will be looking for that now. I have a 50" Plasma Magnavox that is pre-"smart (spy on everything you do)" era TVs
379[03:21:22] <karlpinc> r3: Is that cpu 32 bit or 64 bit?
380[03:21:26] <r3> amd64 I think, and am going with it ;)
381[03:22:00] <r3> (looked it up, and it says AMD64 Tech, at least this one page does, if it won't boot then I know what the problem is heh)
382[03:22:02] <awal1> theluckymike, no problem :)
383[03:22:12] <karlpinc> r3: Best is to let the installer choose. Get the unofficial netinstall with non-free firmware.
384[03:22:23] <karlpinc> !tell r3 about firmware images
385[03:22:34] <awal1> in settings i have fuul, waterglass, expand and zoom option. only full works ok
386[03:23:12] <karlpinc> r3: I think there's a universal installer that just chooses for you. Otherwise, if you try to boot the amd64 installer and it won't boot, it's because you have a 32 bit cpu and need to use the 32bit installer.
387[03:23:40] <r3> karlpinc: ok, will do, thanks for the link
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389[03:25:07] <pagetelegram> "powerstrip" is a Windows program....nothing for linux in my search so far.
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391[03:25:42] <theluckymike> pagetelegram: I'm not sure where you found powerstrip. Those issues usually occur on hdmi and usually are because of your tv's settings.
392[03:25:53] <pagetelegram> It is interesting that my Raspbian Pi computer displays 1920x1080 just fine without overscan issue in X11 yet all Deb distros I tried with x64 system have the overscan issue.
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394[03:26:27] <pagetelegram> I've tried about 5 distros so far in the last week all Deb based and all have same overscan issue
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396[03:26:39] <theluckymike> what tv/monitor you use?
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399[03:27:39] <pagetelegram> It's an old Magnavox Plasma 50" screen. I'll have to dig for the mdoel however it has no overscan setting in menu and just only two available setting for 4x3 and 16:9
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401[03:27:51] <karlpinc> pagetelegram: FWIW I've had strange problems with a (stock, no-linux) ASUS tablet. It will only work when using a HDMI 1.3 cable or earlier.
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403[03:28:23] <karlpinc> (or maybe it's earlier than HDMI 1.3. I forget.)
404[03:28:31] <subcool> sneep, i have a blank screen leading into the system halt/shutdown. It is post grub. But - the halt is like a forced shutdown
405[03:28:45] <pagetelegram> 50MF231D
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407[03:29:43] <karlpinc> subcool: What does halt/shutdown have to do with grub?
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410[03:32:22] <pagetelegram> The gtf command line utility is a great asset. It generates modelines at any resolution and refresh rate based on the VESA General Timing Formula. You may need to make minor tweaks, as video cards sometimes have limitations on the resolution of their dot clock settings." - AVS forum :: trying this next
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412[03:32:44] <sneep> subcool: You could try specifying earlyprintk=vga,keep or earlyprintk=efi,keep (if you're booting using EFI) on the kernel command line
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416[03:35:17] <theluckymike> pagetelegram: replaced-url
417[03:36:11] <pagetelegram> Mike < Thank you! Trying now
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419[03:36:33] <pagetelegram> Last time I was toynig with xrandr was with that monkey business with --transform.
420[03:37:22] <theluckymike> awal1: I found xrandr parameter in its manpage that could cause your issue: --nograb,
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424[03:39:24] <pagetelegram> display is flickery though that did the trick with the overscan issue'
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428[03:43:06] <theluckymike> pagetelegram: seems here are some more ideas replaced-url
429[03:43:10] <theluckymike> enough with screens -.-
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431[03:46:31] <awal1> theluckymike, ok, i will look at that --no-grab option and work it in my config after my dinner :P thanks
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456[04:15:19] <altker128> Hey guys...stupid question here. Have a Debian stretch machine, with two local users ; is it "normal" that either user can cd into the other's homedir? I haven't changed permissions on the default folders, which is 0755
457[04:15:39] <altker128> That "default" behavior does NOT seem right to me, wondering what's off
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459[04:16:45] <OerHeks> altker128, sounds normal, that is why encrypted home is available
460[04:16:45] <altker128> Seems like the permission should be 0754
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465[04:23:03] <sneep> altker128: Normal on Debian
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468[04:23:53] <sneep> RHEL has 0700 for home directories I think
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470[04:23:58] <altker128> sneep: I'm trying to change that ; I changed permisions on /etc/skel to 0754 and edited /etc/login.defs UMASK and set to 023 but when creating a new user the homefolder has 0755 permissions...any suggestions?
471[04:25:18] <tomreyn> altker128: sudo dpkg-reconfigure adduser
472[04:25:44] <altker128> tomreyn: Wow, awesome, thank you!
473[04:26:06] <tomreyn> yw
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475[04:27:48] <rant> so I got this Thinkpad T61 with stretch here and I installed nvidia-legacy-340xxx-dkms, xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-340xxx, g86m / quadro nvs 140m [10de:0429] (rev a1) I have no kernel module loading, nothing.. idk whats going on.
476[04:28:54] * rant breaks into a smooth dance and Marvi Gaye "ooo.. what's goin on.. what's goin on.."
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479[04:30:49] <rant> I'm gonna reinstall it all here shortly as I just refurbed this machine and I wanna enable encryption on it.. but I was kinda trying to figure out what was required to get it all working using the install I already had on this hdd
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483[04:31:33] <dvs> so you don't have any video or just unaccelerated video?
484[04:32:08] <rant> video behaves differently than before .. think its reverted to some generic vesa, noveau is not longer loading but neither is any nvidia driver
485[04:32:41] <rant> console is lower res.. nvidia-xsettings says driver isnt loaded
486[04:32:41] <dvs> maybe there's a needed firmware package?
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488[04:32:50] * dvs doesn't work with Nvidia
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490[04:32:59] <rant> only firmware messages were from touchpad and wireless
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492[04:33:17] <altker128> If you download and run the driver from nVidia it will usually do all the stuff that's needed
493[04:33:24] <altker128> As long as nouveau is blacklisted/isn't loading
494[04:33:25] <rant> I personally havent worked with nvidia or a t61 in years myself :P
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496[04:33:57] <rant> yeah I'm not going to use 3rd party drivers unless I have to
497[04:34:07] <altker128> Good luck.
498[04:34:14] <rant> the legacy-340xx says it supports this
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501[04:35:24] <altker128> tomreyn: One question, even with a UMASK of 077 I see that a permission of g+x -- is that what you'd expect?
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507[04:37:28] <tomreyn> altker128: groups is usually the users' primary group, so it doesn't do any harm, and it's what i'd expect.
508[04:37:38] <de-facto> how can i get apt-get output to behave properly in scripts?
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510[04:37:44] <de-facto> I have lots of (Reading database ... (Reading database ... 5% (Reading database ... 10% (Reading database ... 15% (Reading database ...
511[04:37:55] <de-facto> and ugly output like this
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516[04:41:46] <altker128> tomreyn: Sorry, I meant it shows u+x and I'd expect u-x (0754 if viewed by stat)
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520[04:42:42] <t3st3r> de-facto> maybe apt-get -q <whatever> would do?
521[04:43:10] <tomreyn> add a q and y to that
522[04:43:23] <tomreyn> altker128: 0754 is u+rwx
523[04:43:46] <de-facto> yes i even tried "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive && apt-get -qqy install --no-install-recommends ${BUILD_DEPS}"
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525[04:44:22] <de-facto> it seems apt-get itself really is more quiet but those ugly Reading database come maybe from dpkg itself?
526[04:44:23] <altker128> ugh, sorry, I meant o-x (others!)
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529[04:46:00] <tomreyn> altker128: so are you discussing files or directories there?
530[04:46:16] <altker128> tomreyn: Directory permissions
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532[04:46:35] <altker128> I guess 111111000b -> 254d
533[04:46:38] <altker128> I guess 111111000b -> 2542
534[04:46:41] <altker128> I guess 111111000b -> 252d
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536[04:47:19] <de-facto> I mean i dont want to silence it all together like > /dev/null i just want to get rid of those ugly progress reports in my logs
537[04:48:51] <de-facto> can i just tell dpkg to shutup?
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539[04:49:56] <tomreyn> altker128: i'm pretty tired, this isnt the best time to discuss ACLs for me. hope someone else can help. also read umask(2)
540[04:50:14] <altker128> tomreyn: No worries, thanks for taking the time to help
541[04:50:34] <tomreyn> ;-)
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547[04:52:21] <de-facto> maybe "-o Dpkg::Use-Pty=0" ?
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550[04:55:11] <de-facto> export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive && apt-get -q update && apt-get -qy -o Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 upgrade && apt-get -qy -o Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 install --no-install-recommends ${BUILD_DEPS}
551[04:55:17] <de-facto> i think that might work
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590[05:49:06] <Marz> anyone run testing as their server?
591[05:49:42] <joepublic> One would hope not, but I suppose it happens. I have testing on a test server, but that's the way that's supposed to work I think.
592[05:49:57] <zeropoint> Not with anything I care about or expect to be running at any given time, no.
593[05:50:06] <Marz> stable apps are really old
594[05:50:09] <Marz> like 3 years
595[05:50:11] <zeropoint> And?
596[05:50:21] <joepublic> uh, yes, "Stable" means "not updated to shiny new and untested"
597[05:51:27] <joepublic> if a server admin needs a newer version of something that debian provides by default, options are available on a case by case basis, of course.
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617[06:08:26] <furrywolf> Why is debian going with the freedeskop menu system, which is substantially worse-organized than the debian menu system?
618[06:09:03] <furrywolf> Also, why do half the packages in stable use one and half the other, so you only see half of your programs (and which half varies) under most window managers?
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622[06:12:30] <furrywolf> this is like... a release-blocking level of idiocy.
623[06:12:35] <furrywolf> and yet it's in stable.
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706[07:38:45] <laidback_01> hello all. I've a general question relating to virtualization. In FreeBSD, i can run bhyve VMs and jails (containers) simultaenously with no ill effects. I'm thinking the same thing can be accomplished with KVM and docker at the same time, right? is there anything saying that I can't run KVM VMs and Docker images on the same machine for different purposes?
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708[07:41:02] <jmcnaught> both can run at the same time
709[07:41:13] <laidback_01> cool, thanks much!
710[07:41:42] <shtrb> Good Morning people, what would be a good way to backup from inside a VM (stretch) to build a second instance. I backed up /etc , /usr and /home and (dpkg --get-selections|grep -vvv deinstall > /var/backups/packages.list) and intend to prepare reinstall (stretch to stretch)
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712[07:43:45] <shtrb> Is there anything I have forgot ?
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836[09:14:13] <Mead> Hello, I'm sorta at loss to find help with this issue and asking here because I don't know where else to ask. I've got a new SteamOS install (which is debian based), I switched to the beta of steam, and let SteamOS update itself. Now it has been sitting at a black screen for quite a while (30+ minutes) with the HDD light flashing about ever 20 seconds. Is it still working or has something
837[09:14:13] <Mead> failed?
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840[09:15:41] <diogenes_> Mead, nvidia proprietary?
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845[09:16:25] <Mead> might be, there is a nvidia gpu in the machine
846[09:16:36] <jelly> Mead: #steamOS should be the right channel
847[09:16:40] <jelly> !steamos
848[09:16:41] <dpkg> SteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy". It is not supported in #debian, support is available in #steamOS on irc.freenode.net or at replaced-url
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850[09:17:03] <Mead> it would be a good channel if there were more active people in it
851[09:17:24] <Haohmaru> maybe they're busy.. gaming
852[09:17:57] <jelly> it's a tiny channel, might be 2-3 days before someone comments
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855[09:18:30] <shtrb> Mead , does ctrl + alt+f1 and ctrl+alt+f7 fix the issue ?
856[09:19:04] <shtrb> or ctrl+alt+f2/f3/f4 to go back to the X session
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858[09:19:45] <Mead> well, I got it to pop up a tty login
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860[09:20:31] <shtrb> and back to the UI ?
861[09:20:56] <shtrb> the black screen is sometime just X refusing to update the screen
862[09:21:25] <shtrb> if you came back and get something like screen is locked please bla bla tell us please
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864[09:21:57] <Mead> no, using the ctrl+alt+f2 gets me to a tty2 ctrl + alt + f7 brings back the blank screen
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866[09:22:27] <Haohmaru> did your login manager forgot to start?
867[09:22:40] <shtrb> he is in mid installation
868[09:23:18] <Haohmaru> i thought he had it installed (presumably also working) but then it got updated..
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871[09:23:58] <Mead> it was installed, and I allowed it to do an automated update.
872[09:24:26] <Mead> I've got TTY access right now
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874[09:24:53] <shtrb> updates are like cosmetic surgeries, sometimes they are needed but most of the time they just a waste of your time and money and will only give superficial changes
875[09:25:08] <Haohmaru> wat o_O
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877[09:25:37] <diogenes_> hehe take a look at Pamela Anderson before and after the update XD
878[09:25:45] <Haohmaru> now now
879[09:26:04] <Mead> update from which version? Early versions were great
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881[09:26:37] <shtrb> Good Morning people, what would be a good way to backup from inside a VM (stretch) to build a second instance. I backed up /etc , /usr and /home and (dpkg --get-selections|grep -vvv deinstall > /var/backups/packages.list) and intend to prepare reinstall (stretch to stretch)
882[09:26:37] <Mead> gettin me off topic here
883[09:26:38] <diogenes_> before 70s when UNIX was spelled UNICS
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894[09:29:15] <Mead> so, with tty how can i check on if x running or even restart X if it has an issue?
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897[09:30:38] <jelly> Mead: ehh, did you try rebooting to see if it gets better
898[09:30:46] <diogenes_> shtrb, for backing up and making snaphot of the system, i use this: replaced-url
899[09:31:05] <Mead> nope, I'm worried the update process is still going and forcing a reboot would mess it up
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901[09:33:40] <Mead> what is the best method to force a graceful shutdown/reboot in cli?
902[09:33:59] <rant> Mead: using the sysrq method doesnt matter where you are cli or gui
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905[09:34:15] <rant> Mead: if system is responsive a systmctl or init command will work like init 0
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907[09:34:30] <diogenes_> Mead, systemctl poweoff/reboot
908[09:34:36] <diogenes_> without root
909[09:34:37] <Haohmaru> hm, i've been using /sbin/reboot and such
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911[09:36:48] <Mead> reboot is trying to recover from a fatal error...
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915[09:38:40] <Mead> I knew something was pretty wrong with that update...
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917[09:38:51] <Mead> thanks for your help
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919[09:39:23] <rant> sysrq+alt+key is the sysrq method.. REISUB is a commonly used mantra..
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922[09:40:17] <rant> R takes raw control of keyboard, E sends SIGTERM to all processes allowing them to close, I sends SIGKILL forcing any remaining processes, S syncs disks, U remounts fs readonly, and B reboots
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928[09:41:10] <rant> its a way to basically simulate a normal shutdown when SHTF
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936[09:44:07] <Mead> welp, I think my install is toast, it rebooted from the "SteamOS is attemptint to recover from a fatal error" screen back to it again. Bet it will just keep looping
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944[09:46:46] <Mead> so what is the issue with the nvidia propietary drivers? They cause problems and can't be fixed by anyone but nvidia?
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954[09:49:23] <daniv> hi, do you get a white background for sddm-kde in testing for several days.. it still remains functional however
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979[10:06:15] <shtrb> diogenes_, thanks will look on it
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985[10:10:42] <Fox> !debian-next
986[10:10:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
987[10:10:52] <Fox> daniv: ^
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989[10:11:42] <Klaus_Dieter> having looked at my screensaver config today I noticed how far along Linux has come in the last 15 years. It is really amazing that now the required settings integrate nicely. suspending works (it didn't used to a few years back). this is really cool and also this is thanks to projects like debian. <3
990[10:12:11] <Klaus_Dieter> and the Open source community in general.
991[10:12:35] <Mead> except for all the needless forking
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993[10:14:37] <daniv> Fox: oh sorry!
994[10:14:45] <Fox> daniv: no problem :)
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1004[10:20:25] <Klaus_Dieter> Mead: I guess development could be more efficient.
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1009[10:23:35] <Mead> Klaus_Dieter: it is a double edge sword, on one side it gives you a multitude of choice, on the otherside it makes things more difficult with so many major distros and derivitives being developed in parallel.
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1013[10:24:19] <blackflow> I'd say it's more thanks to projects like..... power management and desktop environments. Debian is "just" packaging stuff up. Also... like 15y ago, it still today depends on the hardware. Mostly what got better is hardware support and more of it works.
1014[10:24:42] <blackflow> Plenty of "Oh, shi-! this laptop doesn't work with linux properly"
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1016[10:28:15] <Haohmaru> i do have suspend issues with debian and old PCs + old nvidia cards
1017[10:28:17] <Mead> of course, that was because consumer hardware manufactures 15 years ago didn't give a flip to support linux, since 99% or more of the users were just using the Microsoft OS that their computers shipped with
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1020[10:29:06] <blackflow> Microsoft froze the hell over with their sudden interest to support linux and foss
1021[10:29:42] <Mead> microsoft actually has a UNIX distro at one point
1022[10:29:46] <Mead> err had
1023[10:29:57] <Haohmaru> moar like.. get in and pull some jenga blocks from the bottom while nobody's looking
1024[10:30:35] <Haohmaru> they also bought teh github, didn't they?
1025[10:30:37] <Mead> before they released NT they were selling unix to businesses
1026[10:30:47] <Klaus_Dieter> blackflow: I think it is both: the software has to be made accessible which is done by distributions. And it must maintained and developed which is done by the kernel folks, the project teams like DE.
1027[10:31:26] <blackflow> Klaus_Dieter: oh sure, the ecosystem entirely.
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1030[10:35:01] <Klaus_Dieter> that being said - I have moved more and more away from full-blown desktop environments and into the world of CLI for almost everything I do. The only exception in day to day use is browsing th web. Other than that, Xorg = terminal multiplexer.
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1032[10:36:40] <Mead> heh, I remember when the world moved away from using a terminal interface and moved to the GUI
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1034[10:37:05] <Klaus_Dieter> yeah. back then KDE was what the cool kids used.
1035[10:37:38] <Klaus_Dieter> or are you talking a few years before thatand referring to the os2 / dos => windows transition?
1036[10:38:04] <Mead> more like when Microsoft was pushing the "DOS is Dead" montra when windows 95 came out
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1038[10:38:13] <Klaus_Dieter> ah yes. that was huge
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1041[10:39:09] <Mead> I was an old DOS gamer back in late 1980's and early 1990's.
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1044[10:40:35] <Haohmaru> mah first comput0r woz win98
1045[10:40:36] <Mead> so it was sorta a shock to me "why load this heavy GUI when I want to give all the system resources to a game instead"
1046[10:41:50] <Mead> the real game changer for PC gaming was plug and play hardware and directx, no longer having to configure irq and DMA for hardware and software was great.
1047[10:44:10] <altker128> A220 I7 D1
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1164[12:03:21] <Greyztar> is kernel mode and user mode the same as kernel space and user space?
1165[12:03:46] <Greyztar> wrong channel sorry
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1314[13:52:08] <pclover> So need some advise on the best way to apporach an issue with mdadm i created.
1315[13:52:23] <pclover> Forgot to plug in a hard drive part of a mirror and mdadm shows the drive is now removed and refuses to let me re-add it.
1316[13:53:11] <pclover> I suppose i'll have to remove the disk form the array and re-add it...
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1324[13:54:51] <pclover> got sidetracked with dust in a CPU socket causing it not to post :)
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1330[14:00:26] <blackflow> pclover: it's not clear from what you posted, what exactly you did. what's the raid level? what members are there? can you also pastebin /proc/mdstat?
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1332[14:01:31] <pclover> blackflow, sorry for being vague bit tired. It's a RAID-1 and i was doing some system upgrades and required me to unplug some drives. I powered on the system and forgot to plug in one of the drives that are part of the array.
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1334[14:02:15] <blackflow> pclover: did it not recognize the drive when you plugged it back in?
1335[14:02:33] <pclover> it did not
1336[14:02:46] <pclover> and it tells me a re-add is not possible
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1338[14:03:05] <blackflow> can you pastebin /proc/mdstat?
1339[14:03:15] <pclover> give me a second
1340[14:03:22] <blackflow> did you just unplug the drive, or did you explicitly drop it from the array first?
1341[14:03:43] <pclover> i just booted the machine with only one drive that was part of the array
1342[14:03:58] <pclover> since the 2nd wasn't plugged in upon boot
1343[14:04:07] <pclover> so it seems mdadm sees this as a drive failure
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1349[14:06:47] <pclover> blackflow, replaced-url
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1351[14:07:30] <pclover> if i try to re-add /dev/sdc1 i get this mdadm: --re-add for /dev/sdc1 to /dev/md0 is not possible
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1353[14:08:07] <pclover> so i'm thinking i am going to have to remove the drive form the array and re-build it
1354[14:08:09] <blackflow> pclover: try --fail(ing) it first
1355[14:08:41] <blackflow> also how are you trying to re-add it exactly? what command?
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1358[14:09:51] <pclover> mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --re-add /dev/sdc1
1359[14:10:02] <pclover> trying to manually fail it says device does not exist
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1363[14:11:36] <blackflow> pclover: can you pastebin mdadm --detail /dev/md0 please?
1364[14:12:32] <pclover> replaced-url
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1368[14:15:22] <pclover> blackflow, well i just used -add instead of --re-add and it says it's rebuilding now
1369[14:15:24] <foldy> hi please do you know how to revert back upgrade from deb9u4 back to deb9u3 especial libc6:amd64 2.24-11+deb9u3 2.24-11+deb9u4
1370[14:15:33] <jelly> pclover: just use --add, --re-add is mostly useful when you have a write bitmap on the array so that it takes less time to sync up (it syncs only differences)
1371[14:15:34] <RandomSerb> hi. I'm trying to execute a bash script on my debian server via php, and it's not working as expected. How would I debug why PHP didn't exec the script. /var/log/messages says nothing useful
1372[14:15:46] <pclover> jelly, lol right on queue
1373[14:15:58] <jelly> ha
1374[14:16:42] <blackflow> pclover: technically --add will add a spare and force full resilver, which would be the last resort. I was gonna suggest you stop the array and force reassemble, but if this works, then fine
1375[14:16:47] <jelly> RandomSerb: can you run some other command, like /bin/ls, using the same method?
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1378[14:17:31] <jelly> foldy: you'd have to pick it from snapshot.debian.org, but why do you want to do that?
1379[14:17:33] <linuxconformer> hey guys, i've got a server running which i've suddenly not been abled to ssh into
1380[14:17:40] <linuxconformer> any idea what could be wrong?
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1383[14:18:13] <joepublic> could be aliens, criminals, a network problem, might not be actually as "running" as you think, could be the singularity.
1384[14:18:14] <foldy> jelly we have grat mailserver blackbox and that upgrade destroys it, so I must revert last apt upgrade
1385[14:18:32] <joepublic> lotsa idea.
1386[14:19:01] <joepublic> would you be willing to describe what you did, what you expected, what happened instead?
1387[14:19:16] <joepublic> sometimes that helps.
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1391[14:20:40] <linuxconformer> joepublic: i haven't touched it in a week or so, but the website suddenly gave a 203 error, and now i can't ssh into it
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1393[14:21:22] <joepublic> What an odd http error to encounter
1394[14:22:07] <joepublic> is it a VPS? Sometimes those have a solus control panel option that lets you ssh into a serial terminal
1395[14:22:10] <linuxconformer> joepublic: in the logs, it's saying it said something about "failed to ... systemd/ap.service"
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1397[14:22:22] <linuxconformer> joepublic: yeah it's on a VPS
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1399[14:22:32] <linuxconformer> *app.service
1400[14:22:38] <linuxconformer> which is a systemd service i created
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1402[14:22:58] <RandomSerb> jelly, I've a shebang for /bin/sh in the script
1403[14:23:06] <RandomSerb> btw, from console it works just fine
1404[14:23:12] <RandomSerb> but not with PHP's exec()
1405[14:23:37] <RandomSerb> so, in error log, I only get [:error] [pid 27409] [client ...
1406[14:23:46] <RandomSerb> and the referrer but not the actual error
1407[14:23:57] <\\Mr_C\\> debian rox
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1414[14:26:59] <RandomSerb> ok, permissions
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1422[14:30:45] <linuxconformer> anyone know what might be wrong?
1423[14:31:24] <linuxconformer> why can't i ssh into my VPS for example?
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1426[14:32:12] <RandomSerb> what kind of issues do you experience?
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1428[14:32:18] <RandomSerb> any errors?
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1431[14:33:14] <linuxconformer> so i can access the vps via openstack console
1432[14:33:32] <RandomSerb> as which user?
1433[14:33:35] <linuxconformer> root
1434[14:33:57] <linuxconformer> i've been ssh'ing into it every time since now, but now it wont work for some bizarre reason
1435[14:34:00] <RandomSerb> and if you try ssh myuser@mywebsite.com, what happens?
1436[14:34:28] <RandomSerb> does it prompt you with user's password input?
1437[14:34:30] <bomb-on> hi all! i have a problem with some website which is simply not showing up to one debian/firefox user, but i have a hard time figuring out why is that exactly...
1438[14:34:40] <bomb-on> hehe RandomSerb dobar niknejm ;)
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1440[14:35:00] <bomb-on> so, let me quickly explain the problem...
1441[14:35:11] <bomb-on> debian version is: 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1442[14:35:11] <RandomSerb> bomb-on, did that very user try with chrome/debian ?
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1444[14:35:28] <bomb-on> firefox version is: 65.0.1 (64-bit)
1445[14:35:44] <linuxconformer> RandomSerb: it's just hanging when i try to ssh now
1446[14:35:53] <jelly> !debian suite
1447[14:35:53] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
1448[14:35:59] <bomb-on> RandomSerb not with chrome, but apparently it works on palemoon browser
1449[14:36:02] <jelly> bomb-on: that's just a kernel version
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1451[14:36:25] <RandomSerb> linuxconformer, so, if you type that in your terminal and press enter, it stalls?
1452[14:36:27] <jelly> where did you get a firefox 65 build from?
1453[14:36:27] <bomb-on> jelly ah, right, i didn't even notice ^^ will ask him again
1454[14:36:37] <bomb-on> jelly will ask that too, give me a min :)
1455[14:36:41] <jelly> ,v firefox-esr
1456[14:36:42] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 60.4.0esr-1; stretch: 60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.5.0esr-1; stretch-security: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1
1457[14:36:55] <linuxconformer> RandomSerb: yeah. doing -vvv gives "debug1: connection to example.com [x.x.x.x] port 22"
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1459[14:37:00] <jelly> 60.5esr is what is in Debian 9
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1461[14:37:32] <subcool> Hey, so im tring to boot with hypervision, but when i do with the kernel. It "crashes"/system halts and my computer usualy needs its cmos cleared before its turns on again.
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1465[14:38:01] <RandomSerb> linuxconformer, do you use ufw?
1466[14:38:06] <bomb-on> essentially, what's happening is that this particular user is getting an error: TypeError: "appCache is undefined"
1467[14:38:14] <RandomSerb> or iptables, or anything that may restrict access?
1468[14:38:17] <linuxconformer> RandomSerb: don't think i've touched it
1469[14:38:18] <bomb-on> and i'm not really sure why is this happening and how to solve it
1470[14:38:39] <RandomSerb> linuxconformer, what if you try ssh root@... from your terminal
1471[14:38:40] <RandomSerb> ?
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1473[14:39:14] <RandomSerb> aslo, when you login as root, via that console thingy, try iptables -S
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1478[14:43:40] <linuxconformer> RandomSerb: i can't type the "-" character
1479[14:43:50] <linuxconformer> when using openstack console to access my instance
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1482[14:43:55] <RandomSerb> you can't paste?
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1484[14:44:39] <RandomSerb> also what kind of console is that, how are you supposed to use any command that requires parameters, as 95%+ of them do?
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1487[14:45:41] <linuxconformer> RandomSerb: i think it's because set to a german keyboard layout, but when i type "-" it displays as "7"
1488[14:46:03] <RandomSerb> can you paste?
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1493[14:46:58] <linuxconformer> i don't think so...
1494[14:47:13] <RandomSerb> would it be to much of me to ask you to try?
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1497[14:48:02] <ksk> linuxconformer: you just have to find the right key :>
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1499[14:48:08] <jelly> linuxconformer: run "loadkeys us" to set US layout
1500[14:48:10] <linuxconformer> RandomSerb: of course i tried, what i meant to say was it might possible, i just have no idea how
1501[14:48:35] <RandomSerb> shift+insert? or simple right click? try those
1502[14:48:36] <linuxconformer> "cannot open file us"
1503[14:48:42] <ksk> eg, to insert "|" into a Dell Remote Access Console I used the keycode ;)
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1505[14:49:45] <jelly> linuxconformer: ouch, is that some sort of recovery image booted or initramfs or what
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1507[14:50:11] <linuxconformer> jelly: no idea, could be
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1509[14:50:27] <linuxconformer> i've just all of a sudden been locked out of ssh
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1511[14:50:35] <linuxconformer> been working no problem for months
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1514[14:52:25] <jelly> linuxconformer: what does "uptime" say, did the system reboot
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1516[14:53:46] <linuxconformer> man i can't even use vim
1517[14:53:54] <linuxconformer> let me check
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1522[14:55:13] <ksk> german keyboard? try "ö" for :
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1525[14:56:14] <randy408> is this the right channel for debian security/cve related questions?
1526[14:56:50] <linuxconformer> ksk: not sure how, my laptop keyboard is set to english, but the console is set to german
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1529[14:57:44] <ksk> randy408: sure.
1530[14:57:57] <ksk> linuxconformer: mhm then Im out, sorry :> just try pressing all the keys..
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1532[14:58:11] <linuxconformer> ksk: tried that too :(
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1536[15:00:34] <subcool> It has to be something stupid silly. Its worked before.
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1540[15:01:25] <milkt> linuxconformer: have you made any recent system change? can you ping to vps?
1541[15:01:36] <milkt> is ssh daemon running?
1542[15:01:54] <linuxconformer> milkt: not recent, i created a new systemd service a week or two ago, but that's it
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1544[15:02:06] <linuxconformer> i've found the - button btw
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1547[15:02:39] <randy408> i want to submit new CVEs privately and fairly quickly, i see it's done through CNA's, if my package gets into Debian i could use Debian as a CNA for submitting CVE's for that package, which means Debian will assign CVE IDs in a reasonable timeframe, right?
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1551[15:04:05] <linuxconformer> ok i can't even apt-get install
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1554[15:04:26] <linuxconformer> "Temporary failure resolving deb.debian.org"
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1557[15:05:00] <linuxconformer> this is ridiculous
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1561[15:05:47] <milkt> linuxconformer: can you access internet with that vps?
1562[15:06:05] <linuxconformer> milkt: apparently not
1563[15:06:18] <linuxconformer> ping google.com gives "temporary failure in name resolution"
1564[15:06:48] <milkt> how about with ip, 172.217.5.78
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1566[15:07:59] <milkt> or 8.8.8.8 or something
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1568[15:08:10] <linuxconformer> "network is unreachable"
1569[15:08:12] <dvs> 1.1.1.1!
1570[15:08:41] <jelly> linuxconformer: what does "ps -fp $$" say?
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1573[15:09:34] <jelly> linuxconformer: it sounds like network is not configured properly. Did you show output of "uptime", I missed it?
1574[15:09:56] <linuxconformer> jelly: "15 mins", but i restarted it manually
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1582[15:14:45] <linuxconformer> am i screwed?
1583[15:14:55] <linuxconformer> i don't get why this has happened all of a sudden
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1589[15:16:18] <milkt> is there any information about network problem, from your vps provider? can you make backup of instance through that console or something?
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1591[15:16:30] <linuxconformer> milkt: it's self-hosted openstack
1592[15:16:42] <linuxconformer> thing is, i have another vps running, but there are no issues with it
1593[15:17:05] <linuxconformer> i can ssh into it fine, no problems
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1677[16:00:56] <linuxconformer> you guys here?
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1679[16:01:42] <mtn> !ask
1680[16:01:42] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1681[16:01:52] <ksk> you have a selfhosted vps, that does not have internet connectivity - besides that, you did not really provide any information as far as I can tell
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1684[16:02:23] <ksk> can you ping your gateway, do you have the right ip inside container..?
1685[16:02:32] <linuxconformer> i think this could be the problem -> replaced-url
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1688[16:03:03] <linuxconformer> i'm getting this error -> "IsADirectoryError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/var/lib/cloud/instance'"
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1691[16:03:18] <linuxconformer> apparently it's caused by the order of cloud-init services being wrong
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1693[16:03:31] <linuxconformer> (no idea why this is only happening now, but w/e)
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1695[16:03:43] <linuxconformer> is there a way to manually set the order of this services?
1696[16:03:50] <ksk> does not sound too debianish to me?
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1699[16:04:25] <ksk> if you are running ubuntu with cloud-init, then try the ubuntu spoort channels please.
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1702[16:04:59] <linuxconformer> it's debian
1703[16:05:06] <linuxconformer> stretch
1704[16:05:18] <linuxconformer> why would i post it here if it was ubuntu...?
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1707[16:06:56] <cusco> linuxconformer: because you reffered ubuntu links
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1713[16:07:09] <ksk> nevermind then :)
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1715[16:07:32] <ksk> I have no Idea, the proposed solution does not sound too invasive though, so I would give it a shot
1716[16:07:42] <linuxconformer> it's a systemd thing, debianalso uses sysytemd just in case your weren't aware
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1719[16:07:53] <cusco> we are probably aware
1720[16:08:11] <blackflow> bugs.launchpad.net tracks debian issues too btw
1721[16:08:17] <linuxconformer> ksk: right, is there a way to manually order services? don't have much experience with systemd
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1723[16:08:47] <cusco> linuxconformer: but the bug on that url is from a ubuntu sttance
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1725[16:09:10] <cusco> it is just frequent to have ubuntu asking help here..
1726[16:09:19] <ksk> linuxconformer: the units cloud-init etc should come with a systemd unit file, and in there are statemens like "BEFORE=unitname" and "AFTER=unitname" - I think you would need to change these values in all the units mentioned there
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1728[16:09:36] <linuxconformer> cusco: i know it's hard to use critical thought to approach a problem, but sometimes it's required
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1730[16:10:26] <ksk> copy the unit file shipped from the app (/usr/lib/sytem/ iirc) to /etc/systemd/system/ and alter them there - they will take priority over the ones stored by packages (dont forget to daemon-reload)
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1732[16:10:46] <iovec> (or just use systemctl edit --full foobar.service)
1733[16:11:05] <ksk> iovec: what does that do? store a copy of the service in etc?
1734[16:11:48] <ksk> it seems. nice!
1735[16:12:01] <ksk> systemd all the things.
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1740[16:15:36] <_m4ch1n3_> yeah its so f*** big it will take forever to go through documentation
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1744[16:17:14] <ksk> compared to getting through documentation of the 300 prorams it replaces it does not really matter :P
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1759[16:29:23] <linuxconformer> ksk: hmm i really don't understand this erorr
1760[16:29:45] <linuxconformer> why would it suddenly appear after many months?
1761[16:30:27] <_m4ch1n3_> how can I list all Xresources that an Xapplication supports? e.g urxvt?
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1765[16:31:55] <_m4ch1n3_> is there a tool for that? orr is that from xapplication to another uniq
1766[16:32:09] <blackflow> linuxconformer: been going throug the backlog, but can you tl;dr your problem for me?
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1769[16:32:56] <linuxconformer> blackflow: yeah sure, so basically my server stops running today (203) and i'm no longer able to ssh into it. And i think the problem is this error here (from journalctl) -> replaced-url
1770[16:33:24] <linuxconformer> also a bug report about it -> replaced-url
1771[16:33:40] <linuxconformer> and another -> replaced-url
1772[16:34:04] <blackflow> you mentioned you could reach the server through the VM console? can you look up journalctl -p err ?
1773[16:34:11] <linuxconformer> so for some reason this /var/lib/cloud/instance has become a directory, when it should be a symlink
1774[16:34:19] <linuxconformer> yeah sure, one sec
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1777[16:35:13] <blackflow> and for what are you using cloud-init anyway? is it really a dynamic env that requires it?
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1781[16:38:21] <linuxconformer> blackflow: here you go -> replaced-url
1782[16:38:58] <linuxconformer> blackflow: not a concious choice, but i think it might be provided by openstack's debian VM
1783[16:39:02] <linuxconformer> s/VM/image
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1786[16:39:47] <blackflow> linuxconformer: line 4..... can you look up journalctl -u nginx.service? what failure does it report?
1787[16:40:26] <blackflow> there's also dns issues and something ntpd? did you type those up? if you have a working network there you can pastebin
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1793[16:43:39] <linuxconformer> blackflow: the ntpd lines are just about failure to resolve dns i think
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1800[16:47:09] <linuxconformer> blackflow: now i can't even boot the instance
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1803[16:48:06] <blackflow> linuxconformer: why? what does the console report?
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1805[16:49:19] <linuxconformer> the console just shut off, and now when i try to start it again, it threw an error (can't remember what it said, have to check)
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1807[16:50:04] <blackflow> linuxconformer: important to know, whether cloud-init corrupted something, or you've got hardware issues there and/or corrupt filesystem
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1811[16:51:45] <linuxconformer> blackflow: trying to boot another instance from a saved snapshot
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1814[16:52:46] <linuxconformer> blackflow: wow ok it's way faster now
1815[16:52:51] <linuxconformer> (in the console)
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1817[16:54:27] <linuxconformer> this is so strange
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1821[16:55:15] <linuxconformer> blackflow: and now i can access the internet...
1822[16:55:28] <linuxconformer> (from this restored snapshot)
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1824[16:56:37] <blackflow> linuxconformer: sounds like your previous disk image was corrupt then
1825[16:56:39] <blackflow> just a guess
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1834[17:02:45] <linuxconformer> blackflow: weird, didn't even know that was possble
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1838[17:04:26] <blackflow> linuxconformer: well unless you think virtual hardware is powered by actual, fulffy clouds and not physical hardware :) a disk image is just a region of a hard disk anyway. so yeah very much corruptible
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1847[17:08:31] <linuxconformer> blackflow: true, i've just never experienced it before so i guess i thought it would never happen to me :P
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1852[17:09:40] <blackflow> linuxconformer: you haven't lived through cloud meltdown until every run of md5sum on any file returns different sum :) been there, done that, didn't even get a t-shirt.
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1859[17:12:26] <linuxconformer> blackflow: lol hope i never have to experience it
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1867[17:16:45] <linuxconformer> blackflow: getting the same probelm on my rebooted snapshot...
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1874[17:19:34] <blackflow> linuxconformer: back to alternative then: cloud-init frakking thing sup
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1876[17:20:13] <blackflow> or maybe that's just a red herring. you really need to examine each of hte processes that's failing, look at their logs. there was nginx failing to start and you never pastebinned that log
1877[17:20:25] <linuxconformer> i might try a new instance (rather than force it with this snapshot)
1878[17:20:53] <blackflow> linuxconformer: it's moot unless you investigate why/how it's failing
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1999[18:29:48] <Mead> welp I think I figured out what went wrong yesterday, it was an issue with my now "legacy" nvidia gpu and drivers
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2002[18:35:07] <Mead> what is the difference between the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver and the Nouveau driver?
2003[18:35:57] <jelly> ,v nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver
2004[18:35:58] <judd> Package: nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver on amd64 -- sid/non-free: 390.87-4; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.87-6~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 390.87-6
2005[18:36:04] <randy408> nouveau is open source, the other one is nvidia's proprietary driver
2006[18:36:55] <Mead> yeah, I get that. What is the difference in how they allow software to use the gpu?
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2009[18:39:48] <joepublic> no one may know, because nvidia's is proprietary.
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2011[18:40:32] <Mead> well, does one allow games and apps get better performance than the other?
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2023[18:47:27] <klh> Mead: performances are better with nvidiabgbgabgbgbmdddmmp${offset 4}${offset 4}
2024[18:47:36] <klh> oops sorry
2025[18:47:54] <klh> display bug in my irc client
2026[18:48:08] <Mead> it is all good, I know how propietary drivers can trigger linux guys/gals
2027[18:48:10] <blackflow> Mead: one publicly known gripe with nouveau is something about inability to reclock so the games run very much slower
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2030[18:48:40] <blackflow> or should I say publicly known proprietary feature missing in nouveau
2031[18:48:54] <Mead> blackflow: thank you, that is the type of info I was looking for
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2039[18:51:19] <Mead> so how to I tell it to install that specific 390xx driver? when doing apt update it pops open a window sayint to use the update-glx command but not specifically how ot use it or if I have to download the driver manually.
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2050[18:54:42] <blackflow> Mead: in Stretch `nvidia-driver` package is at version 390.87 -- is that what you need? that's the LTS version btw
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2090[19:07:19] <Mead> hurm... so apt update is trying to instal 396.54 that is why I keep getting the error
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2096[19:10:18] <blackflow> Mead: from where? Can you pastebin `apt-cache policy nvidia-driver`
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2175[19:49:06] <Mead> blackflow: I can tell you where, from the valve's steamos repo. I am asking in here because the steamOS channel is pretty much dead and forgotten, and steamos is based on debian.
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2178[19:51:34] <blackflow> yeah I figured that's not debian. all I can tell you is install nvidia-driver but that wouldn't apply to you would it, you ain't usin' Debian
2179[19:51:52] <blackflow> so what kind of help would you expect since you can't apply the solutions.
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2187[19:54:02] <Mead> replaced-url
2188[19:54:36] <blackflow> Mead: install nvidia-driver if you want 390.87 in Debian Stretch. that's all.
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2191[19:55:43] <Mead> I know it aint debian, but is is based on it. Working with the CLI is pretty much the same when it comes to syntax and etc.
2192[19:55:49] <Mead> err it is
2193[19:57:03] <SerajewelKS> !based on debian
2194[19:57:03] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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2198[19:58:08] <Mead> well thanks what help you you've given me anyway, and it has been more than helpful.
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2200[19:58:20] <blackflow> Mead: well see that's the thing. The solution in Debian for nvidia driver v390 is to install the nvidia-driver package. so your theory of "but it's based on" is totally wrong.
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2204[20:03:09] <randy408> lol why would someone use steamos in current year
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2313[21:06:06] <bmomjian> I am running gxmessage from a boot script and it is generating a kernel log message like this. Any idea on the cause? What is "trap 3"? traps: gxmessage[3081] trap int3
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2316[21:07:11] <bmomjian> gxmessage runs fine when not run from a boot script.
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2319[21:09:19] <SerajewelKS> bmomjian: that's a debugger trap
2320[21:09:41] <SerajewelKS> bmomjian: basically it's crashing, which i would expect. how are you expecting to show a GTK+ dialog when the X server isn't running?
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2322[21:10:58] <bmomjian> I set the -display setting to the display of a laptop, not the boot system, and this is done 15 seconds after rc.local is run. I tried 30 seconds but still got the error.
2323[21:11:14] <bmomjian> This is remote X11.
2324[21:11:24] <SerajewelKS> you've verified that this works from a console?
2325[21:11:26] <bmomjian> (everyone gasps) ;-)
2326[21:11:33] <SerajewelKS> is this boot script running before the network comes up?
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2330[21:12:24] <bmomjian> Good question on the network. I am unclear exactly when rc.local runs but I put a 15 second delay in there so it was up. Maybe I need more, or how can I trigger when everything is up?
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2333[21:13:10] <bmomjian> This just started happening on an upgrade from Jessie to Stretch, so it is very possible it is a network timing issue. I just haven't figured out how to trigger only after the network is up.
2334[21:14:04] <dvs> I thought this was a strength of systemd
2335[21:14:05] <SerajewelKS> the best bet is not to use rc.local at all but use a proper systemd service, which you can configure to depend on the network
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2337[21:14:23] <SerajewelKS> rc.local should never be used in production
2338[21:14:36] <SerajewelKS> it's an antiquated hack
2339[21:14:41] <bmomjian> Oh, OK. These are old scripts.
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2342[21:15:40] <Deihmos> Debian doesn’t include kernel live patch?
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2350[21:18:36] <SerajewelKS> live patching is a pandora's box that no sane sysadmin should open. it doesn't even always work. e.g. changes to kernel structures can't be patched.
2351[21:19:15] <Deihmos> I see.
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2353[21:19:32] <Deihmos> I saw it on Ubuntu server. Thought Debian also had it
2354[21:19:33] <SerajewelKS> if you need 100% uptime there are better solutions, such as automatic failover with multiple servers, or load balancing where you can take servers out of rotation while they are rebooted.
2355[21:20:21] <Deihmos> I just have a media server with plex and other stuff
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2358[21:20:41] <SerajewelKS> i have one of those too. rebooting it is fine. kernel updates are fairly rare.
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2360[21:21:10] <SerajewelKS> if you can't reboot it at the moment because someone is watching stuff, you can always "shutdown -r 03:00" to schedule a reboot at 3AM
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2363[21:22:11] <Deihmos> I was trying to get the motd to tel me when there is an update when I login just like Ubuntu. Turns out it isn’t that easy
2364[21:22:30] <SerajewelKS> why not just subscribe to the DSA mailing list
2365[21:22:50] <SerajewelKS> !dsa
2366[21:22:50] <dpkg> [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see replaced-url
2367[21:23:04] <Deihmos> App updates too
2368[21:23:06] <SerajewelKS> neat, there's even an RSS feed
2369[21:23:17] <SerajewelKS> define "app"
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2397[21:43:24] <MACscr> can i simply remove mysql-apt-config from my debian system if i dont want to get prompted for versions, etc, every time i do a apt dist-upgrade and their is a mysql upgrade?
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2403[21:47:27] <MACscr> also, Is there any advice for upgrading from 7.1 to 7.2 (im using the sury repo) and making sure all the same php packages and settings are installed that 7.1 had? i hate having to fiddle with the php.ini settings on every upgrade, etc
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2421[22:00:01] <treehug88> There's a package in buster and sid that's out of date from he upstream released version, and an upgrade request has been filed in a debian bug report. Is there anything an upstream maintainer can do to help this package to get updated? The bugreport has had no activity in 1 month.
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2434[22:05:15] <treehug88> For example, can a user submit a patch to upgrade the version in debian, or somehow help an automated process to assist the package upgrade?
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2448[22:13:53] <bmomjian> You were right that the gxmessage kernel error was related to the network being down.
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2450[22:14:17] <karlpinc> MACscr: You probably want to be messing with the debconf configuration so that you don't get prompts. See "man 7 debconf". That would be "dpkg-reconfigure debconf". Alternately, "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt dist-upgrade" would do it on a one-time basis.
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2453[22:14:52] <MACscr> karlpinc thanks
2454[22:15:54] <karlpinc> MACscr: If you're using a non-debian repo, you're not running debian and you're kind of out of luck when it comes to support. (Also, try typing "/msg dpkg frankendebian" in this irc channel.)
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2460[22:20:16] <karlpinc> !tell treehug88 about debian-mentors
2461[22:20:33] <karlpinc> treehug88: I'm pretty sure there is, but I don't know more.
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2464[22:21:09] <karlpinc> ,v mysql
2465[22:21:10] <judd> No package named 'mysql' was found in amd64.
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2467[22:21:33] <karlpinc> ,v mysql-server
2468[22:21:34] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.60-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.60-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.24-3
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2473[22:22:16] <karlpinc> ,v php
2474[22:22:18] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
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2489[22:33:57] <corner_cubicle> Why does Debian still autostart services after installing a package?
2490[22:34:10] <format_c> ?
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2492[22:34:38] <corner_cubicle> If you install postfix, debian will also start the postfix service before I'm done configuring it
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2494[22:35:27] <corner_cubicle> Granted, you can configure it via debconf. But I still have other stuff to add to main.cf before I start postfix. I wish Debian would stop doing this
2495[22:35:45] * Ede|Popede also would encourage changing of this policy
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2499[22:36:26] <format_c> Good question. I think because the maintainer thinks when you want to install it, you'd also have it started. Normally there is a minimal configuration during dpkg --configure for some of the packages. I'm only familiar with exim4, however there, only minimal config is done.
2500[22:36:32] <Ede|Popede> someone installing servers on debian should be able to start them manually after configuration
2501[22:37:01] <format_c> but I haven't felt this too dangerous since I could adjust the config right after installing.
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2503[22:37:35] <corner_cubicle> If I'm using a relay server, I'd also want to set the SASL configuration to connect to the relay server. I don't think you can configure SASL credentials via debconf
2504[22:37:37] <karlpinc> The counter argument is that "most" installs are simple and assume that the user does want something running....
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2506[22:37:51] <format_c> Ede|Popede: good point. Let see if somebody from the project can answer
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2510[22:38:55] <corner_cubicle> Or there should be an option to disable this behaviour in apt.conf.d
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2512[22:39:20] <corner_cubicle> Using policy-rc.d seems like a really roundabout way to acheive this
2513[22:39:22] <format_c> it's the old clash between the ones who'd like to see Linux footprint (especially on the desktop area) beeing extended while the hard cores don't want to have numbs around.
2514[22:39:33] <karlpinc> Maybe a debconf prompt that asks if the service should be enabled/started?
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2516[22:39:40] <Ede|Popede> france does something regarding IoT devices. could become expensive in the future to make them capable of running with a default configuration (read: user="admin" pass="" and similar)
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2519[22:40:04] <Ede|Popede> this approach is the sane one. FIRST configure, THEN start
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2521[22:40:28] <format_c> The correct name is Internet of shitty things.
2522[22:40:48] <karlpinc> Ede|Popede: Sure. What we're talking here is how _much_ configuration.
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2525[22:41:15] <Ede|Popede> karlpinc: or even a config file in /etc/default with lines as simple as "${pck}conf=$path" or "${pck}=autorun,$conf" or similar
2526[22:41:29] <format_c> But this would be the maintainer's task to capture the inital password setting within the configuration step like mysql-server
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2528[22:42:08] <corner_cubicle> karlpinc: I don't think any other distro starts the service automatically after installing. Is this a legacy behaviour from Debian's pre-systemd days?
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2530[22:42:51] <format_c> corner_cubicle: really?
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2533[22:43:08] <corner_cubicle> I'm not sure about this. I'm just guessing
2534[22:43:09] <karlpinc> I think debian has always started its MTA if you install one. At least since sarge or so which is as far back as I go. Which brings up the backward compatibility issue.
2535[22:43:21] <Ede|Popede> karlpinc: i'm not in the mood to treat linux like i'd probably do with windows. adding lot of snakeoil and an extra firewall and what not because you never know what some running driver does: opening a backdoor, phoning home, whatever. and at least the decision if "*" or "localhost" is to be made. a server setup in a small company may differ from a home desktop
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2537[22:43:45] <Ede|Popede> MTA for bug reporting purpose?
2538[22:44:34] <format_c> I think in regard to MTA, Debian is really special from the beginning. However to me it appeared to be a differnt way to make the system able to send outbound emails w/o having a relay available.
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2540[22:44:42] <jmcnaught> if you know the name of the service you are installing and don't want it to start automatically you can always mask the service beforehand
2541[22:44:51] <karlpinc> Ede|Popede: Unix always (historically) comes with a running MTA, for reporting on cron job output etc. Even if the mail is only ever delivered locally.
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2544[22:44:53] <Ede|Popede> aha?!
2545[22:44:55] * Ede|Popede wakes up
2546[22:46:03] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: That only sorta works if you're not doing an initial install though.
2547[22:46:15] <Ede|Popede> karlpinc: local is ok. what i never liked is only having servers listen to the world. i bet a lot of users new to debian or the whole linux thing may not be aware from the beginning. and only let them install while there is an unknown 0day around
2548[22:47:20] <karlpinc> Ede|Popede: Is local the default? I can't recall.
2549[22:47:22] <corner_cubicle> Ede|Popede: I think by default postfix only listens on the loopback interface. So that's not an issue
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2551[22:47:51] <Ede|Popede> i'll check it as soon as i'm ready to install on that other machine. promised.
2552[22:47:56] <jmcnaught> postfix has debconf options for the type of configuration you want, local only is one of the options. same with exim.
2553[22:47:57] <format_c> so besides the MTA's, which from my understanding cannot do anything else than sending emails outbound, I'm not aware of a (server) package w/o inital setup being walked through dpkg --configure step.
2554[22:48:41] <jhutchins> format_c: You won't get any configuration options when installing most mysql packages.
2555[22:49:06] <format_c> AFIAK yes when installing mysql-server
2556[22:49:10] <jhutchins> format_c: Then again, they tend to enable but not start the service/
2557[22:50:09] <format_c> jhutchins: what is the differnce for the "unknown" between enable (and reboot) and start?
2558[22:50:20] <jhutchins> format_c: It's been a long debate. If the defaults are safe and functional, assume the user wants the service and start it, or do we insist that the user know what they're doing if they're going to install an open service.
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2560[22:50:41] <Ede|Popede> checked its postinst, found "invoke-rc.d webfs start" - i expect similar packages to have it too
2561[22:51:01] <format_c> Yes default values are always full of different views
2562[22:53:01] <karlpinc> format_c: (FWIW, MTAs route email. So both inbound and outbound. MUAs send email.)
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2570[22:55:17] <format_c> karlpinc: I'm clear about this definition, but as long as the MTA doesn't feel responsible for the local_domain and the MX records are not set appropriately in DNS, nothing happens.
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2572[22:57:05] <karlpinc> I recall what I did the last postfix install. Nothing to alter defaults on install, so it was delivering to local mailboxes only and not listening on public addresses. Then I shut it down and reconfigured it before starting it back up again. This seems reasonable.
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2574[22:57:29] <format_c> I switched from Gentoo to Debian. And the reason why I stick with Debian is because of this first experience: it justed worked w/o tweaking configuration files.
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2576[22:58:01] <karlpinc> Sometimes you get a flood of email into root's local mailbox. (Or a trickle.) But tough, works ok.
2577[22:58:06] <format_c> That doesn't mean, that I don't care about the detail configuration.
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2582[23:00:06] <karlpinc> That's compatible with my preference for Debian. Things work. Minimal maintenace. Systems upgrade with minimal effort, for some value of minimal. Having lots and lots of packages is the bonus.
2583[23:01:12] <format_c> Yeah. But I agree. It's a thin line between.
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2593[23:06:41] <galaxie> Hi, I need some help figuring out udev permissions for a game wheel I have.
2594[23:07:18] <galaxie> In 111-thrustmaster.rules, I have this one line: SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="044F", ATTRS{idProduct}=="B67E", MODE="0666"
2595[23:07:27] <galaxie> Then I reloaded with: udevadm control --reload-rules
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2598[23:07:54] <galaxie> Still I get a usb1.USBErrorAccess: LIBUSB_ERROR_ACCESS in Python's libusb.
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2605[23:09:38] <karlpinc> galaxie: Anything useful in dmsg output. Or syslog? (Just thinking of things to look at.)
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2609[23:10:41] <galaxie> Well, it connects: New USB device found, idVendor=044f, idProduct=b67e
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2611[23:11:15] <karlpinc> galaxie: The /dev entry looks right?
2612[23:11:46] <galaxie> karlpinc: I'm trying to find it in /dev..
2613[23:12:13] <galaxie> karlpinc: Wouldn't it be in /dev/input ?? It's not there.
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2615[23:12:50] <karlpinc> galaxie: All that stuff has leaked out of my brain, if I ever knew that detail.
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2617[23:15:04] <galaxie> karlpinc: And I haven't really done this in awhile either. How would I find where the dev file is? It's not specified in the logs..
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2619[23:15:18] <karlpinc> galaxie: Use "find"?
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2623[23:16:04] <karlpinc> galaxie: Although maybe /dev contains loops, so find could be a problem.
2624[23:16:16] <karlpinc> galaxie: You could set a max depth.
2625[23:16:32] <galaxie> karlpinc: I wouldn't know what the file would be called.
2626[23:17:06] <galaxie> karlpinc: Bus 004 Device 004 in the logs..
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2629[23:17:38] <galaxie> karlpinc: There's three files in /dev/bus/usb/004 ...
2630[23:17:47] <karlpinc> galaxie: How do you tell python what device to use?
2631[23:18:05] <galaxie> karlpinc: And there's a /dev/bus/usb/002/004 file. Is that the one?
2632[23:18:11] <galaxie> karlpinc: By product and vendor ID.
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2634[23:18:52] <karlpinc> galaxie: In my experience there's some file in the /dev dir you're looking at that has info like product and vendor id. I think.
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2642[23:22:01] <galaxie> join #supertuxkart
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2644[23:23:03] <debsan> xD
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2647[23:25:25] <joepublic> I love supertuxkart. I play that more than any other game.
2648[23:25:38] <galaxie> What's a nice way of resetting the display? STK just messed things up
2649[23:26:06] <format_c> yeah my kids love that too
2650[23:26:07] <joepublic> Uh, I play it windowed instead of full screen for that reason actually
2651[23:26:20] <joepublic> I have four monitors and STK going full screen borks my display all to heck
2652[23:26:34] <galaxie> Well, it doesn't do that except I was trying to find my stupid game wheel.
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2654[23:26:51] <joepublic> I have a script bound to a hotkey that runs xrandr and restores the configuration
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2656[23:26:59] <format_c> don't have any problems howevre using the propreitary driver from nvidia
2657[23:27:01] <galaxie> xrandr --auto didn't help much
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2659[23:27:48] <joepublic> with four monitors--three widescreen, one not--I just made the xrandr script manually and use that when starting the desktop and whenever it gets confused
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2661[23:28:34] <joepublic> I use an xbox style controller to play
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2663[23:28:52] <galaxie> Yeah but I want a real game wheel, a Thrustmaster TMX.
2664[23:29:08] <joepublic> that sounds like fun actually
2665[23:29:10] <galaxie> I'll solve this screen problem the Windoze way; I'll reboot ;P
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2667[23:29:53] <hypn0> install arandr?
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2670[23:32:09] <joepublic> arandr will save that config as a script, now that you mention it
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2676[23:35:10] <galaxie> Unlike Windoze, it doesn't take six minutes to reboot. Good job.
2677[23:36:16] <joepublic> I have had servers that took 15 minutes to realize that their scsi discs were ready to go and boot up
2678[23:36:31] <galaxie> OK, I finally got the dev file, now what?
2679[23:36:48] <galaxie> udevadm info -q all -a <file> ??
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2684[23:40:35] <pflanze> Hello. How do I "su" to another user while giving it access to the current X session?
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2686[23:40:37] <karlpinc> galaxie: Same python error?
2687[23:40:52] <pflanze> There was a program called "sux" in Debian in the past, but disappeared.
2688[23:40:57] <pflanze> How do I do the same now?
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2692[23:42:35] <karlpinc> pflanze: A stupid way would be to: ssh -X user@localhost I don't know the not-stupid way offhand. There's xauth, you could try reading the man page.
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2694[23:42:50] <galaxie> karlpinc: Same error, yeah. I did realize I put the rule in the wrong dir though.
2695[23:43:01] <hans_> someone should tell the paste.debian.org maintainer that this text is incorrectly detected as spam: replaced-url
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2698[23:44:49] <galaxie> Doesn't this udev rule look correct though?? SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="044f", ATTRS{idProduct}=="b67e", MODE="0666"
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2700[23:45:17] <karlpinc> galaxie: Offhand, yes. Although I wouldn't know if more is required -- for something.
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2702[23:45:44] <galaxie> karlpinc: Where would the log entry be that shows it being denied?
2703[23:46:02] <karlpinc> galaxie: Either syslog or authlog
2704[23:46:23] <karlpinc> galaxie: The /dev file's permissions are as expected?
2705[23:46:40] <karlpinc> (And all ancestor dirs?)
2706[23:47:08] <karlpinc> galaxie: Or, just no log at all if it's a python thing. I wouldn't know.
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2710[23:48:10] <galaxie> karlpinc: Permissions are crw-rw-rw-
2711[23:49:07] <galaxie> karlpinc: Odd; I reloaded udev rules, plugged it in again, and now it's giving me a different error: usb1.USBErrorNotFound
2712[23:50:12] <karlpinc> galaxie: The other thing that occurs to me, and I don't know if this would be required-ish or just extra sauce, is to set a group in udev rules.
2713[23:50:19] <galaxie> Wait, how is that possible? It's suddenly switched from a TMX to a TX??
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2715[23:50:42] <karlpinc> galaxie: dmesg is also useful.
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2717[23:51:10] <karlpinc> galaxie: What are TMXs and TXs?
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2720[23:52:26] <galaxie> Yeah, it confirms it, the product ID mysteriously changed.
2721[23:52:37] <karlpinc> galaxie: There's some sort of master database of what is what based on vendor and product id. Sometimes this causes problems when vendors change things/reuse numbers/etc/etc.
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2723[23:52:48] <karlpinc> galaxie: That is very odd.
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2728[23:54:10] <galaxie> I swear, it just changed product id again!!! Right after I added another udev entry for the new id
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2731[23:54:52] <kreyren> is it sane to run debian-security on cosmic ubuntu?
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2737[23:55:47] <galaxie> And.. it changed again. But wait, different error now, I don't think it's a permissions problem. Still, weird..
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2739[23:57:13] <JackFrost> kreyren: No.
2740[23:57:17] <JackFrost> dpkg: frankendebian
2741[23:57:17] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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2746[23:58:27] * galaxie fixed his post-stable problems without any trauma, thank god.
2747[23:59:29] <kreyren> JackFrost: Assuming dependency conflicts right?
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