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1[00:00:28] <bdax> maybe
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2[00:00:31] <bdax> n_blownapart: they're turquoise for me
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5[00:00:36] <n_blownapart> while installing vim, I'm
getting (what I believe are) symlinks to .vim and .vimrc, which
seems wrong to me.
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6[00:00:58] <n_blownapart> these are in the .config directory
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10[00:02:25] <bdax> DDGO: long shot, but check for dns leaks as
well
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11[00:02:42] <DDGO> Sure :)
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20[00:05:26] <n_blownapart> nice thanks. some weird stuff going
on where vim seems to be installing symlinks . bdax
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21[00:05:49] <bdax> n_blownapart: does seem wrong that it would
install that way. where do they point to?
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23[00:07:44] <n_blownapart> bdax, I'm using a haskell
package called haskell-vim-now, but iit doesn't work since its
looking for /usr/share/vim/syntax/syntax.vim ....so
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31[00:10:17] <bdax> is it under /usr/local/share/vim/...
instead?
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36[00:12:51] <n_blownapart> bdax, its under
/.config/haskell-vim-now/.vim/bundle/vim-mundo/tests/bundled/lh-vim-lib/autoload/lh/syntax.vim
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39[00:14:24] <n_blownapart> so I created a
/usr/share/vim/syntax directory, and put a symlink in myself from
above actual location to my faux vim/syntax/ directory. but it still
can't find it. I'm a noob
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40[00:14:30] <n_blownapart> bdax,
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41[00:15:07] <bdax> ah, I was just about to suggest that
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42[00:15:09] <n_blownapart> this is on a 32bit debian system
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43[00:15:37] <Bliepo> Currently running a Jessie server and
plan to upgrade to stretch in the future. But I was wondering
whether: 1) it would be best to do a clean install as opposed to
upgrading and 2) whether it is okay to switch as soon as it is
released, or whether its better to wait (e.g. with ubuntu I'd
usually wait for the point release)
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46[00:16:41] <n_blownapart> but bdax the strange thing I did a
full dpkg purge of vim and apt-get remove vim, and in the output I
saw files being removed from /usr/share/vim/ . so it's there
but I don't know where it is
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51[00:17:56] <bdax> n_blownapart: I don't understand,
where you say "it's there but I don't know where it
is", it said it removed them but they weren't showing in
the directory prior to that?
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52[00:17:59] <bdax> Bliepo: how important is the server?
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53[00:18:07] <n_blownapart> let me paste something, actually it
was the output from apt-get autoremove
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54[00:18:12] <n_blownapart> bdax,
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55[00:18:42] <n_blownapart> which proves that /usr/share/vim is
somewhere
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57[00:19:03] <gzcwnk> bliepo so far in place uppgardes have
gone really well for me
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60[00:19:38] <gzcwnk> bliepo make a backup, and try it, but yes
wait a few months IMHO.
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62[00:20:05] <at0m> same here. keep an eye out for the upgrade
notes, and read up before you move. and /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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66[00:20:25] <bdax> for a server, I wouldn't upgrade
unless I needed something in stretch
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67[00:21:19] <n_blownapart>
replaced-url
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70[00:22:13] <random101> hi, this might be a basic question,
but I've been in the process of switching from jessie to
stretch and got to kernel upgrades
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71[00:22:15] <gzcwnk> bdax at some point the old release is n
longer supported so a timely upgrade is sensible. I have a debian
8.x which started life as debian4 or5....10years+ old and still
going
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72[00:22:55] <random101> I did apt-get install
linux-image-amd64 (my arch) and it went through fine, but uname -r
still displays 2.6... as the kernel version
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73[00:23:13] <random101> do I just need a reboot?
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74[00:23:16] <at0m> yes
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75[00:23:26] <gzcwnk> random101 did you reboot?
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76[00:23:26] <bdax> n_blownapart: what is the error message
that vim is giving exactly? and can you paste the content of that
directory?
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77[00:23:38] <random101> gzcwnk, not yet, wanted to make sure
before I did in case things were borked
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78[00:23:58] <gzcwnk> random101 its always the heart in mouth
part
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80[00:24:14] <gzcwnk> random101 hence backups
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81[00:24:20] <jvelasquez> how could I increase the number of
characters across on my screen? it's currently 80 across.
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84[00:25:02] <random101> ok, just rebooted and it's still
displaying 2.6... as the kernel version according to uname -r
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87[00:26:29] <huzheng> Hi!
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88[00:27:04] <bdax> gzcwnk: yeah, but timely doesn't have
to be on the day, jessie still has a few years left in her
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89[00:27:07] <bdax> hi huzheng
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90[00:27:13] <n_blownapart> bdax, I would have to install it
again with the package. but simply may I ask: what is line 12 and 13
doing there in the paste?
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93[00:28:12] <n_blownapart> because that tells me there *is* a
vim directory under /usr/share , but after a vim install there is no
vim directory to be found.
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94[00:28:36] <huzheng> Hi! bdax!
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95[00:28:44] <bdax> n_blownapart: this might help:
replaced-url
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97[00:29:13] <gzcwnk> bdax, totally agree, my experience is
though dont leave it close to the end either then the changes
between the two start to get more significant.
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98[00:29:21] <Bliepo> Woops, had some internet loss there
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99[00:29:25] <Bliepo> DNS trouble
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100[00:29:26] <huzheng> bdax, can you visit
replaced-url
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103[00:29:56] <Bliepo> So what did I miss?
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104[00:30:19] <n_blownapart> ok so wait bdax : there is a
default vim directory that ships with debian?
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105[00:30:24] <huzheng> bdax?
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106[00:30:31] <bdax> huzheng: nope sorry, no Hu Zheng's
listed on that page
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108[00:30:46] <bdax> n_blownapart: I don't think it ships
with debian, I assumed you had installed it previously
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110[00:31:03] <bdax> gzcwnk: yeah true, so for a server that was
important I might wait a year
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111[00:31:07] <CharlesHines> hello
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113[00:31:18] <bdax> I know the debian release team are stellar,
but good to give it some time
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114[00:31:27] <gzcwnk> bdax, agree
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116[00:31:49] <huzheng> And this:
replaced-url
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117[00:32:01] <gzcwnk> yes I have been hugely impressed with the
dist-upgrade
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118[00:32:13] <n_blownapart> because I have been manually
removing vim files everywhere. Ok so the package installer for the
haskell-vim-now is not putting anything in /usr/share . But it is
looking for it there.
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119[00:32:15] <bdax> huzheng: just seeing good old Bob Dylan
there
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121[00:33:12] <huzheng> Thank you very much! bdax!
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123[00:33:42] <bdax> huzheng: no prob, not sure what I helped
with to be honest
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124[00:34:05] <huzheng> bdax, are you in USA or Canada?
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125[00:34:08] <bdax> n_blownapart: if it's looking for it
there then a symlink should work, I'm pretty sure vim supports
them. otherwise try a hardlink maybe?
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126[00:34:15] <bdax> mu
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127[00:34:18] <bdax> UK!
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128[00:34:28] <huzheng> OK!
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129[00:34:31] <n_blownapart> one last thing bdax : by doing that
autoremove, perhaps I can make a clean install of vim and the
package and things will go better?
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131[00:35:02] <bdax> what about you huzheng?
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133[00:35:19] <huzheng> Who is In USA? Can you help me to visit
replaced-url
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137[00:35:46] <bdax> hopefully n_blownapart, I wouldn't
manually remove package files fwiw
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138[00:35:52] <Bliepo> That's odd, some domains don't
load and some do
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139[00:35:58] <n_blownapart> forgot to mention, I had it working
fine about a week ago, with syntax highlighting working, but for a
small annoying glitch I removed it for a fresh install, then ran
into problems
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141[00:36:29] <huzheng> Who is in USA? Can you help me?
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142[00:37:12] <bdax> huzheng: literature 2016 was Bob Dylan,
physics 2016 was David J. Thouless, F. Duncan M. Haldane and J.
Michael Kosterlitz. all of which are from the US I think
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143[00:37:59] <n_blownapart> thanks kindly bdax
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145[00:38:02] <huzheng> In China and UK, these information is
wrong!
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147[00:38:53] <bdax> n_blownapart: no prob, good luck with that
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148[00:39:06] <bdax> you're not mixing stable and testing
or anything though are you? long shot
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149[00:39:39] <bdax> huzheng: I'm not sure I understand
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157[00:41:53] <huzheng> I need one who is in USA to help me to
visit that link!
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158[00:42:02] <bdax> oh i see
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161[00:43:06] <bdax> huzheng: I just used a US proxy and got the
same
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162[00:43:08] <teraflops> huzheng: or use a proxy and do it
yourself?
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163[00:43:19] <bdax> you sure you're looking in the right
place?
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165[00:43:56] <bdax> my guess was it's a firewall thing,
probably blocking proxies
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166[00:43:57] <huzheng> VPN is not OK.
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167[00:44:25] <huzheng> teraflops, can you help me to visit that
two links?
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170[00:44:57] <teraflops> nope
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172[00:45:23] <bdax> huzheng: I checked it with a US proxy, no
changes
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174[00:45:58] <bdax> my guess is the nobel site isn't doing
fancy proxy detection stuff
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176[00:46:18] <bdax> I think you're looking in the wrong
place?
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178[00:46:35] <huzheng> Maybe need direct connection! In China
proxy is still wrong!
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179[00:47:02] <bdax> maybe, but I don't think that's a
page that changes based on location
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183[00:49:54] <huzheng> China firewall can do this, they scan
the web link and return a wrong web page.
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184[00:50:44] <bdax> oh I see
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186[00:51:16] <huzheng> Who is in USA?
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187[00:51:20] <huzheng> !!
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188[00:51:20] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
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189[00:51:21] <bdax> well, as far as I'm aware the UK
doesn't have a firewall like that, so I should be seeing as it
is
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192[00:51:50] <bdax> for now
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193[00:51:56] <bdax> lol
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194[00:52:44] <huzheng> UK should joined China firewall!
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195[00:52:57] <bdax> haha, yeah maybe, the way things have been
going
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196[00:53:43] <bdax> well not 'should'.. but anyway,
nah we don't have a firewall
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197[00:54:23] <Violinist> yeah i watched the wall yesterday
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198[00:54:26] <Violinist> lel
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199[00:54:43] <teraflops> why firewalling when you can let
packets flow and spy on them?
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200[00:54:48] <Violinist> not sure if money wasted
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201[00:55:04] <bdax> I've not seen it
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202[00:55:12] <Violinist> teraflops, ya haha
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203[00:55:14] <bdax> and yeah, surveillance is the pro way to go
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206[00:55:41] <Violinist> bdax, as long as its constitutional
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207[00:55:54] <bdax> firewalls are for noobs
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208[00:56:06] <bdax> I was being sarcastic or something similar
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210[00:56:28] <Violinist> ok yeah coz
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211[00:56:29] <bdax> I don't really agree with
surveillance, just agreeing that if you're going to be a big
brother that surveillance > firewall
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213[00:56:46] <Violinist> yeah no1 said it was hard rite
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214[00:57:10] <bdax> hard?
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216[00:57:16] <Violinist> just makes u an ass
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225[01:05:33] <huzheng> Can any one in USA to help me?
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rhythmbox or banshee doesn't save song ratings. I checked and
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305[01:50:46] <kunwon1> foul_owl: do those applications have
write access to the files, or read only access? if the latter, it
could cause what you're reporting, though i'd expect an
error message would pop up
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330[01:59:33] <foul_owl> They can write other id3 metadata, such
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341[02:04:17] <doc|work> Hi, using debian under
kubernetes+docker I get 'unknown filesystem type
glusterfs' on boot, but it works fine when I use mount. Anyone
know what might cause that?
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371[02:30:27] <l0s5> Hello
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372[02:31:04] <l0s5> Are there any linux applications that would
help with productivity. Something like maybe a host file blocker for
certain websites, or something that would limit the desktop to
certain tasks at certain times?
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374[02:31:38] <l0s5> I mean like restrict to certain websites,
or only allow certain applications at predefined sets... i'm
not sure how to describe
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376[02:31:57] <bdax> l0s5: in my experience, you'll
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382[02:32:53] <l0s5> bdax, The point is the inability to be able
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383[02:33:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> l0s5, you could do it with a
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397[02:33:51] <l0s5> bdax, Total loss of system control, most
specific to maybe only allowing a code or word editor open, or
specifically block websites with a host file or proxy, but want
predeveloped solution
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399[02:34:07] <l0s5> with somewhat of what I need, doesn't
need to fill all facets.
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401[02:34:22] <bdax> l0s5: I only know of things that block
websites
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402[02:34:32] <bdax> various firefox/chrome plugins
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403[02:34:49] <l0s5> bdax, Could you give me a common Linux
based solution non browser addon?
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406[02:36:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> Squid has a few filter solutions
along with predefined block lists, although mostly geared toward
porn. Not sure that's your time sink.
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407[02:36:34] <bdax> l0s5:
replaced-url
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409[02:36:49] <bdax> it's old though
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410[02:36:57] <l0s5> Maybe even parental control software, lol
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411[02:37:23] <bdax> yeah but how are you gonna make it so you
can't override it, you have root access presumeably
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413[02:38:16] <l0s5> bdax, Interesting, the project it is based
on was updated more recently, but is OSX
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414[02:38:52] <bdax> yeah, there aren't many linux
solutions I think
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416[02:39:10] <Eduard_Munteanu>
replaced-url
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418[02:39:32] <bdax> loads for Windows, I installed one once for
a friend, but she found a way around it
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424[02:41:37] <bdax> plus, you need the internet for
stackoverflow, etc, right?
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428[02:44:40] <glick> hmm
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429[02:44:47] <glick> what to do with my 2013 macbook
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434[02:45:08] <glick> ill prolly sell it
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438[02:45:35] <bdax> trackpoint > all
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453[02:51:30] <doc|home> Hi, my question was: using debian under
kubernetes+docker I get 'unknown filesystem type
glusterfs' on boot, but it works fine when I use mount. Anyone
know what might cause that?
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469[03:00:21] <missmbob> !repeat
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470[03:00:21] <dpkg> Please don't immediately repeat your
question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that
either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing
to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask
me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your
question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try
asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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472[03:01:16] <doc|home> missmbob, can you define immediately?
Does an hour with lots of joins count? What if I asked yesterday too
(which I did) and haven't received an answer.
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473[03:01:35] <missmbob> doc|home: once an hour
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475[03:01:54] <doc|home> ok, so, not a problem then. Thanks.
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477[03:03:43] <glick> how do i install the emacs help files
debian
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478[03:03:49] <glick> for the in editor info files?
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480[03:06:29] <ryouma> glick: you might need nonfree for those,
believe it or not
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481[03:06:54] <ryouma> glick: gnu documents
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482[03:07:01] <ryouma> same with tar
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483[03:07:29] <ryouma> glick: emacs24-common-non-dfsg GNU Emacs
common non-DFSG items, including the core do
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490[03:09:18] <glick> non free?
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491[03:09:21] <glick> wtf?
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504[03:14:20] <pbx> installed debian testing on a new laptop.
all good so far. however, i need the`iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode`
driver(s). how do i get this onto the machine in installable form?
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505[03:14:51] <dvs> !iwlwifi
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506[03:14:52] <dpkg> The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports
several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N,
Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me
about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi
package to provide. Supported devices are listed at
replaced-url
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507[03:15:05] <pbx> sorry if this sounds like a silly question.
my googling thus far has turned up answers that 1) are about ubuntu
or 2) assume you have some other net connection available
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510[03:15:58] <pbx> yes dvs - but note that step 2 on the howto
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513[03:17:10] <dvs> pbx, download that package and transfer it
to the computer via usb
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517[03:17:59] <missmbob> or install it with the firmware iso
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518[03:18:19] <pbx> thanks dvs - after copying the ucode file
over… then what?
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519[03:18:51] <dvs> pbx, dpkg -i <packagename>
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521[03:19:20] * pbx tries it
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525[03:19:59] <dvs> ucode file? im talking about the deb
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528[03:20:39] <glick> i still cant change the wallpaper
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529[03:20:43] <glick> what gives?
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543[03:27:38] <pbx> dvs: installed firmware-iwlwifi, no errors,
but it’s not seeing the card. ah well
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545[03:27:52] <missmbob> did you restart?
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547[03:28:18] <dvs> pbx, modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi
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549[03:29:06] <pbx> i did restart. no output from those modprobe
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550[03:29:23] <dvs> that's good if there is no output
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555[03:30:05] <dvs> pbx, how are you trying to "see the
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561[03:32:37] <pbx> i take that back dvs, my router is appearing
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563[03:33:44] <dvs> oh, I don't know how to configure
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564[03:34:11] <dvs> but the hard part is done. ;-)
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565[03:34:26] <pbx> dvs: indeed. i am in fact now online.
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568[03:34:38] <pbx> lots of tweaking still to do but the big bit
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692[05:16:50] <nine_milli> we choose to use linux not because
it’s easy but becase it’s nerdy
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703[05:27:02] <VentGrey> Hello World
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704[05:27:08] <bazhang> hi
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707[05:27:53] <VentGrey> Is anyone here able to startx without a
display manager?
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708[05:28:07] <VentGrey> I mean, enter your credentials on the
tty, enter and go straight to X
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709[05:28:15] <jim> sure
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710[05:29:10] <jim> it could be just a wm, or even just a
terminal emulator (but something, a process which when exited,
causes the x to exit
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711[05:29:28] <jim> )
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712[05:29:31] <VentGrey> I tried to follow this post
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713[05:29:37] <VentGrey> I*
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714[05:29:56] <jim> well if you startx, you're already
logged in
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715[05:30:06] <dvs> you don't want a display manager?
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716[05:30:26] <VentGrey> Nope, It takes up to 15s in my boot and
it is really not worth it
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717[05:30:35] <VentGrey> lightdm is not too light :c
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718[05:31:03] <dvs> O_O
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719[05:31:48] <jim> wait, you said "u don't like the
autologin", typo?
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722[05:32:55] <VentGrey> yes, typo
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723[05:33:01] <VentGrey> im writing in a dark room :c
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724[05:35:31] <jim> oh ok, so you meant (you talking) "I
don't like it"
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788[06:12:08] <VentGrey> :'v
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795[06:21:59] <jhutchins> 876
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798[06:22:41] <machinehum> How do I generate a proper
sources.list?
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800[06:22:50] <machinehum> There are some generators online
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802[06:23:04] <machinehum> But all I want is a propper list for
my location
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803[06:23:07] <somiaj> machinehum: you shoudln't need much,
what version of debian are you running?
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804[06:23:10] <machinehum> 8
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805[06:23:16] <somiaj> !jessie sources.list
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806[06:23:17] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
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808[06:23:40] <somiaj> deb.debian.org will pick a close mirror,
you will have to manually choose a mirror if you don't want the
auto redirector deb.debian.org
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811[06:24:21] <machinehum> Oh
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812[06:24:34] <machinehum> Awesome, and if a mirror is down it
will just pick another?
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816[06:25:01] <somiaj> there is supose to be some active/health
status that it uses and it shouldn't point you at a mirror that
is having troubles.
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820[06:29:04] <machinehum> Oh cool
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823[06:29:34] <machinehum> So it's looking like it
wasn't a sources problem. I guess Debian is just way behind the
mainline of kicad\
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824[06:29:50] <machinehum> Not sure if anyone actually knows
anything about that
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829[06:31:04] <somiaj> what do you mean by behind the mainline
of kicad?
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831[06:31:42] <somiaj> debian is a frozen system, the versions
are frozen about 6 months before the release, so jessie hasn't
had anything except security and bug fixes for many years.
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832[06:32:03] <somiaj> (note there are some rare exceptions to
this, but debian tries really hard to provide a solid frozen system
that doens't have version bumps)
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833[06:32:34] <machinehum> Really
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837[06:33:23] <machinehum> The version of kicad is ~4 years
outdated
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838[06:33:28] <somiaj> yes really, read more on debian.org if
you want info about the release. Some select software is provided
via jessie-backports that is newer, but for the most part it is not
as well tested.
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839[06:33:36] <somiaj> and jessie was frozen a bit less than 4
years ago.
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842[06:34:29] <somiaj> Debian was released in April of 2015,
froze fall of 2014, and depending on the software and matainer,
having a package that is 4 years old isn't uncommon
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843[06:34:32] <somiaj> !sns
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844[06:34:33] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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845[06:34:38] <nine_milli> my name is john conner, i was sent
from the future to stop debhelper from taking over the world
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847[06:35:06] <somiaj> debian provides stable well tested
software. Part of what makes debian work so well is how well testing
things are and that once a relaese happens things don't change,
so version bumps don't happen which could introduce new bugs.
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849[06:35:52] <machinehum> My mind is a litte blown right now
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850[06:35:54] <somiaj> looks like you can get version 4.0.5 from
jessie-backports if needed.
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851[06:36:00] <machinehum> Sorry for being a noob
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853[06:36:25] <somiaj> but the stable version is from 20140622,
which appears to be the current version right before the freeze.
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855[06:37:09] <machinehum> Just reading about Stretch rn
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856[06:37:10] <somiaj> machinehum: frozen systems have lots of
advantages, espically for servers and production in which changes
can cause extra work to fix bugs, or change stuff as api/abi change.
Debian releases are designed to satisfy this need.
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857[06:38:05] <machinehum> Cool yeah I understand
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858[06:38:10] <machinehum> Makes sense
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859[06:38:19] <somiaj> stretch is almost about to release (end
of this month), so the stable can feel outdated to someone who wants
newer software. jessie-backports helps a bit on this, but with
debian one should think about what it provides, and you can have a
very solid/stable system that will run for years without having to
change anything if you stick to stable
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860[06:38:44] <somiaj> there are still people running wheezy due
to not wanting to redsign their whole production system.
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862[06:38:58] <machinehum> Makes sense
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865[06:39:45] <machinehum> I guess I always knew deb was so
stable, but I never really understood why
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866[06:39:57] <somiaj> stretch is really good to run as a
desktop os since we are so close to the release, so currently 4.0.5
is the version in stretch, during the life of stretch this will not
change (except for security and grave bug fixes)
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867[06:40:17] <machinehum> Interesting
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868[06:40:22] <machinehum> Looking forward to that
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869[06:40:30] <somiaj> the main disavantage of stretch right now
is limited security support. Security team won't focus on
stretch until after the release.
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870[06:40:37] <somiaj> !jessie-backports
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871[06:40:37] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian
9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found
in the "jessie-backports" repository. See
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872[06:40:51] <somiaj> but if you just wanted version 4.0.5, you
can install it from jessie backports in jessie
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875[06:42:11] <machinehum> If I config my sources list to use
the backports, won't it update all the software
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876[06:42:34] <somiaj> no, jessie-backports is pinned in such a
way software is not installed by default, you need to explicity tell
apt if you want to install from jessie-backports
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877[06:42:51] <machinehum> even when I apt-get update
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878[06:42:59] <somiaj> this is because it is dangerous to run
all jessie-backports software that has no where near the testing of
offical stable packages. But sometimes you need newer software and
it is provided.
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879[06:42:59] <machinehum> even when I apt-get upgrade*
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880[06:43:25] <machinehum> It wont upgrade my existing software
w/ backport?
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881[06:43:38] <somiaj> correct, jessie-backports is pinned such
that apt will not think its versions are newer and will not upgrade
to them, this means that you would have to run apt-get -t
jessie-backports install kicad
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884[06:44:04] <somiaj> now once you insatll a package form
jessie-backports it will keep it upgraded, but only after you
explicity tell apt to install it from jessie-backports
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885[06:44:12] <somiaj> just never run this command, apt-get -t
jessie-backports upgrade
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886[06:44:34] <somiaj> i.e. don't tell your system to
upgrade everything to jessie-backports, only install select packages
from there.
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892[06:49:09] <machinehum> Okay good to know
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893[06:49:35] <machinehum> Looks like a pretty soild way to
break your entire system
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894[06:49:35] <somiaj> but if you are running a desktop system
and want newer software, you should consider upgraing to stretch.
YOu can do it now or after the release.
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895[06:49:58] <machinehum> How unstable is unstable
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896[06:50:05] <machinehum> I mean I don't need rocksolid
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897[06:50:30] <machinehum> But it is pretty amazing having a
machine that never crashes
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898[06:51:04] <somiaj> many run it as desktop systems. It is
suggested you only do this if you know debian well.
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900[06:51:31] <somiaj> also right after the release, stable gets
flooded with new packages, and can be a very rocky ride for the
first few months after a release.
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901[06:51:33] <IchGucksLive> hi all do i need root to set the
xset
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903[06:51:50] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: no, the user who owns/ran
the xsession can run xset
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904[06:52:05] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: if you ran xorg as root
(which you should nto do) then yes, xset woudl need to be run as
root
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905[06:52:16] <IchGucksLive> im on wheezy and it is a real
challange to disable it
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906[06:52:26] <somiaj> machinehum: unstable gets regular bugs
that require you to fix things, I woudln't suggest it.
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907[06:52:33] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: to disable what?
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908[06:52:42] <machinehum> Cool cool
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909[06:52:49] <IchGucksLive> screen blank screensaver
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911[06:53:12] <machinehum> I really appriciate the help!
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912[06:53:15] <machinehum> Thanks!
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913[06:53:16] <IchGucksLive> xset s off
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914[06:53:33] <IchGucksLive> xset dpms 0 0 0
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915[06:53:47] <IchGucksLive> xset -dpms s off
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916[06:53:47] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: you will have to do that
every time you load xorg unless you put that in some script that
gets auto run by your de/wm when xorg starts.
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917[06:54:15] <IchGucksLive> in what script this is best to put
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918[06:54:17] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: I think you could put that
in your .xsession file, and there maybe even some xorg.conf settings
you could create to have that set on default
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919[06:54:24] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: what desktop/wm do you use?
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920[06:54:49] <IchGucksLive> good question how to find out
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921[06:55:05] <somiaj> default is gnome
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923[06:55:27] <IchGucksLive> im on Realtime pae kernal
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924[06:55:45] <somiaj> that is a kernel, nothing to do with the
de/wm or xorg
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925[06:55:48] <somiaj>
replaced-url
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926[06:55:52] <IchGucksLive> xfce 4
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927[06:56:24] <somiaj> if using gnome or many of the modern des
(like xfce4) that method of putting something in ~/.config/autostart
should work just fine
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928[06:56:35] <somiaj> write a small script to run those xset
commands, they will run each time you load xfce
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930[06:57:00] <IchGucksLive> ok
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931[06:57:07] <IchGucksLive> script is up as sh
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933[06:57:29] <IchGucksLive> so put the sh full path to the
austostart
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935[06:57:50] <somiaj> no, write a .desktop file and put it in
that directory, point the .desktop file at your script. Or read the
link I posted
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938[07:00:46] <machinehum> somiaj: When you install a backport,
and when it pulls the deps, how does it keep them
compartamentalised?
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940[07:01:04] <somiaj> machinehum: it doesn't, backports
are compiled/built to be compadable with jessie
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942[07:01:21] <somiaj> machinehum: they will be installed like
any other package. But because it is a package, you can cleanly
remove it if you don't want it anymore.
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944[07:01:55] <machinehum> So packages are always just binaries?
Everything is staticly linked?
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945[07:02:25] <machinehum> I thought there was some dynamically
linked stuff that lives in /usr/lib
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946[07:02:36] <somiaj> they are all binaries, but they are not
statically linked, they use the shared libs in /usr/lib
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948[07:03:07] <somiaj> but they are compiled to use the libs in
jessie. i.e. the package is built to work with jessie -- it just
dosen't have nearly the amount of testing as normal jessie
packages.
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949[07:04:36] <machinehum> So all the files in /usr/lib are
maintained by debian devs?
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951[07:04:52] <somiaj> yes, everytyhing in /usr should be
installed from a debian package.
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953[07:06:26] <machinehum> They're not shared between
packages?
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956[07:06:54] <somiaj> what do you mean by that? Debian uses
shared libaries, that is why packages depend on libs, the libs have
to be installed for the binary to work.
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958[07:08:35] <somiaj> that is also why you have to get special
packages compiled to run on jessie (from jessie-backports) to work
and cannot install packages from stretch directly.
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961[07:10:43] <machinehum> Okay makes sense
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962[07:10:49] <machinehum> Thanks again!
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963[07:10:52] <IchGucksLive> thanks somiaj
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me this message:::You are about to install unsigned packages that
can compromise your system, as it is impossible to verify if the
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1145[08:52:22] <bubba> Are you sure you want to proceed with the
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1184[09:14:13] <TomyWork> hi. I want to release an update to an
in-house debian package under a different name. I can't find
the debian guidelines on renaming packages right now. any help?
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1207[09:32:35] <tpi> Adolf Hitler, The Man who Fought the Bank
TRUTH GONE VIRAL!
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1209[09:33:28] <tpi> It was reaching almost 1 million views then
the kike Jew rodent scum who own, control, and censor Jewtube
manually changed the view count and made it 400,000.
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1210[09:33:38] <tpi> Everyone noticed it and it was all over the
comments section, then the rodent scum completely shut down the
video. This is a second (or maybe third) upload.
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1239[09:43:14] <Hillari2> My god. No wonder THIS was never played
on TV. Imagine. Their lies would have been destroyed with minimum
effort, had actual true speeches of Hitler been shown. I always knew
there was something profoundly wrong with the mainstream version of
Hitler, despite brain bashing in the edjewcation system.
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1244[09:43:49] <polysics> wtf
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1245[09:44:19] <polysics> spamming has gone full circle through
the various communications channels and back to IRC :D
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1252[09:47:02] <at0m> apt search irc adblock
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1259[09:48:47] <markand> hey guys
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1260[09:49:27] <markand> since we have both systemd-networkd and
NetworkManager I was guessing if there are plans to remove the
debian /etc/network/* stuff one day?
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1265[09:50:06] <jelly> markand: hopefully not soon
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1266[09:50:31] <Lowl3v3l> markand: i somewhat doubt
network-manager will be the only standard anytime soon
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1268[09:54:20] <markand> no but systemd-networkd is not bad
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1272[09:57:11] <at0m> last i checked, i use only
/etc/network/interfaces. why would i need a service with Capitals in
its Name?
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1275[09:59:32] <TomyWork> at0m i'll wait until you actually
try that on a machine that ever switches networks :)
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1276[09:59:33] <markand> at0m, systemd-networkd has no capitals
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1277[09:59:55] <TomyWork> a laptop or something
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1279[09:59:59] <at0m> TomyWork: my machines here aren't
going anywhere
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1280[10:00:46] <TomyWork> and that is fine, no one is suggesting
/etc/network/interfaces to go awa---oh he is
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1281[10:00:54] <hid3> Hello everyone. Is there any way to enable
tab autocompletion for systemctl related stuff? RHEL7 has got such
functionality..
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1282[10:01:11] <at0m> and then again, laptop can handle different
networks just fine without such services
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1283[10:01:33] <TomyWork> of course, but it's terribly
inconvenient
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1285[10:02:47] <TomyWork> you can also edit all your files in ed
(cat, electron guns, punch cards, butterflies)
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1286[10:02:53] <at0m> hid3: do you have bash-completion ?
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1287[10:02:54] <TomyWork> it's just terribly inconvenient
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1294[10:05:34] <TomyWork> btw, several posts on stackoverflow
hinted at apt picking up files put manually into
/var/cache/apt/archives. I'm trying that on wheezy, but it
doesn't work
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1296[10:05:49] <TomyWork> apt-cache policy $package doesnt show
the extra package version
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1297[10:06:02] <TomyWork> apt-get install $package=$version says
the version could not be found
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1298[10:06:03] <hid3> at0m: Yes, I do have it
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1302[10:07:42] <markand> hm there is no virtualbox additions in
stretch at the moment
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1305[10:09:03] <babilen> That is a true statement
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1310[10:09:34] <shtrb> *Is no more free in DFSG terms
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1321[10:14:33] <markand> understood
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1325[10:15:46] <ryzokuken> hey everyone!
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1326[10:15:59] <ryzokuken> Why is Python 3 not the default Python
in stretch?
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1327[10:16:22] <ryzokuken> or in any other version, even?
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1331[10:17:00] <ryzokuken> < 3 years to go.
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1332[10:17:09] <ryzokuken> ^ that's not a heart.
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1334[10:17:24] <babilen> ryzokuken: What do you mean by
"default python" exactly ?
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1337[10:20:41] <themill> ryzokuken: there is no "default
python". There is a "default Python 2" which is
2.7.13 and a "default Python 3" which is 3.5.3.
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1342[10:21:33] <babilen> ryzokuken: I believe you might want to
read
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1343[10:21:38] <BlackBishop> so .. if I sed -i
's/jessie/stretch/' /etc/apt/sources.list .. I won't
have to do anything when stretch releases, right ?
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1346[10:22:06] <at0m> BlackBishop: like in /topic, /msg dpkg
jessie->stretch
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1347[10:23:00] <ryzokuken> babilen: themill: When I say default
Python, I mean there's both python2 and python3 but python is
an alias for python2, not python3.
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1348[10:23:03] <babilen> themill: Probably a
"/usr/bin/python → python3" change as in Arch
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1349[10:23:05] <nix64bit> I also wonder why python2.7 is packaged
as in the default install, its actually a bit irritating
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1350[10:23:15] <nix64bit> re streatcj
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1351[10:23:22] <ryzokuken> This might not change much, but its
symbolic.
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1353[10:23:30] <BlackBishop> well, I get the security part ( for
now anyway ).. it's mostly a fresh install -ish .. but I'd
rather do stuff now than have to do it again in a couple of weeks
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1354[10:23:33] <babilen> ryzokuken: Yeah, that is not generally
considered to be a good idea. Read the PEP I linked earlier for more
information.
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1355[10:23:34] <themill> ryzokuken: it's symbolic of arch
trying to break the world
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1356[10:24:05] <themill> and having no clue about how the python
ecosystem works or how to do sane software development or
distribution
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1357[10:24:11] <ryzokuken> babilen: Yes, it was right up there.
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1358[10:24:14] <ryzokuken> strange.
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1359[10:24:17] <mrrhq> I think python 2 is still used for some
things.
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1361[10:24:32] <ryzokuken> with the end of life this close,
nobody should ever make anything new in python2.
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1362[10:24:41] <babilen> mrrhq: Even if Python 2 wasn't used
for anything, "python" should still get you python2 and
not python3
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1365[10:25:48] <ryzokuken> mrrhq: It is indeed, but it is getting
discouraged now.
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1366[10:26:37] <nix64bit> I thought this was #django room
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1368[10:26:41] <nix64bit> :)
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1371[10:28:14] <mrrhq> We still got a long way to go.
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1376[10:32:40] <ryzokuken> mrrhq: I could help contribute to a
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1378[10:32:51] <ryzokuken> regarding the migration, that is.
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1380[10:33:35] <ryzokuken> the thing is, I consider myself more
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1381[10:33:54] <ryzokuken> I would definitely love to learn,
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1400[10:44:57] <TomyWork> i think my local apt indices are
broken. how can i clear them?
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1407[10:46:53] <jelly> TomyWork: a simple "apt-get
update" ought to fix that, does it not?
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1408[10:47:26] <TomyWork> nope
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1409[10:47:49] <TomyWork> the thing is, i have a box with an apt
repo here
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1410[10:48:44] <TomyWork> its Packages.gz contains a package with
versions 1.2.3, 1.2.3~2017 and 1.2.4~2017. I can "apt-get
update" all I want but it's not showing up in apt-cache
policy
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1418[10:49:32] <TomyWork> correction: 1.2.3~2017 is missing. the
other two versions do show up
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1419[10:49:44] <TomyWork> the thing is, i need that particular
version :)
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1422[10:50:04] <smusiIand> Hey I'm trying to recover some
files with extundelete, bit i get error in extundelete' double
free or corruption
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1429[10:53:51] <smusiIand> Anyone?
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1440[11:00:19] <babilen> smusiIand: Might want to try a different
version
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1442[11:01:41] <smusiIand> Which one?
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1444[11:01:58] <Antares> hi
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1445[11:02:08] <mrrhq> I wish we had a better btrfs-undelete that
would work with already-mounted filesystems.
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1446[11:02:08] <Antares> всем привет
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1448[11:02:19] <mrrhq> Then again, maybe I should backup and
snapshot more.
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1449[11:02:34] <mrrhq> Hah.
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1453[11:03:22] <at0m> dpkg: tell Antares about russian
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1459[11:04:20] <babilen> smusiIand: 0.2.4 is the latest and
ancient
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1460[11:04:39] <Antares> not fair
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1463[11:05:35] <babilen> smusiIand: You could look into photorec,
but generally speaking; Most of your files are probably lost
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1464[11:05:48] <smusiIand> Hmm
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1472[11:07:40] <mrrhq> I wish I wasn't a lazy backup-er.
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1477[11:10:29] <sidharath> I`m unable to download the DVD 1 pre
release images of debian-stretch, anybody please help?
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1478[11:10:50] <smusiIand> babilen: i already have 0.2.4
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1479[11:11:02] <sidharath> from
replaced-url
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1482[11:11:25] <babilen> sidharath: What kind of problems are you
facing?
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1485[11:12:53] <sidharath> I get a torrent not found error on
transmission,I can only get the bittorrent versions with my
internet, https downloads is not really possible
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1488[11:14:21] <sidharath> How did you download your build,
babilen?
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1489[11:14:30] <at0m> ,v irssi
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1490[11:14:30] <babilen> I have not tried the torrents - Curious
that you could (if they were working) download those, but
wouldn't be able to access the ISOs directly via https
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1491[11:14:31] <judd> Package: irssi on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.8.15-5; wheezy-security: 0.8.15-5+deb7u1; wheezy-backports:
0.8.17-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1; jessie:
0.8.17-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.0.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.2-1;
sid: 1.0.2-1
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1494[11:15:26] <sidharath> Isn`t there a repo on cdimage for
stretch dvd iso regular downloads?
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1496[11:17:01] <babilen> sidharath:
replaced-url
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1502[11:19:04] <sidharath> babilen: I have a 15 kbps connection,
so torrents are really all I can use...
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1503[11:20:15] <babilen> sidharath: That's okay, but
wasn't that what you were asking about? ("Isn`t there a
repo on cdimage for stretch dvd iso regular downloads?")
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1505[11:20:19] <shtrb> sidharath, check jidgo
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1506[11:20:36] <themill> downloading packages on a DVD that you
won't use might be a poor move, then
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1507[11:20:36] <sidharath> shtrb, the whole link please...
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1510[11:21:45] <shtrb>
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1511[11:21:52] <sidharath> babilen: Yes, I assumed that`s where
you downloaded your iso?
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1514[11:22:41] <sidharath> shrtb: Thanks, and jigdo contains DVD
or CD or Live? Because I have UEFI...
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1516[11:23:03] <shtrb> DVD or CD , I don't debian live exist
in this days
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1519[11:23:38] <sidharath> Ok, Ill try it , thanks....
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1520[11:23:50] <shtrb> jigdo is another option to bt
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1521[11:24:13] <sidharath> Jigdo hosts which version>
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1523[11:24:49] <shtrb> stable+testing
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1526[11:27:21] <shtrb> you can also use rsync to gain the isos
( rsync://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/) but I don't know
how it will behave on a 15kbps link
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1528[11:27:46] <smusiIand> Is there an option in ext4magic to
recover only one dir i.e. /etc
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1586[12:15:06] <hahainternet> i have a chroot, i have a preseed,
i'd like to run the portions of the installer that are relevant
to a chroot (ie package installation and system configuration) using
this preseed, can I?
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1623[12:38:27] <markand> gnome-software is so useless to me,
gnome-packagekit is definitely more useful
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1624[12:38:36] <enkrypt> I've got a Thinkpad T560 laptop
with an intel GPU. The screen brightness hotkeys work fine when in
gnome, but they don't when in openbox. any idea what I'm
missing?
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1630[12:40:24] <markand> enkrypt, GNOME registers the X key
events
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1632[12:40:40] <markand> you need to binds your key to adjust the
brightness
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1633[12:41:29] <enkrypt> markand: and bind them to what?
xbacklight doesn't work
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1641[12:44:20] <BluesKaj> Greetings all
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1646[12:46:13] <markand> enkrypt, there are some tools for that
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1647[12:46:16] <markand> I have written one
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1652[12:47:45] <markand> been a while since I used it for the
last time though:
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1653[12:48:09] <markand>
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1654[12:49:26] <teraflops> enkrypt: you want help? doesnt works
as a description is not helpful at all. share exact error outputs,
also which debian release, which GPU and, if intel igpu, whether
youre using xf86 video driver or modesetting
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1661[12:52:50] <markand> he is just talking about the screen
brightness
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1662[12:53:24] <markand> and GNOME uses the keyboard bindings
(something like XF86BrightnessUp or something like that) to adjust
the brightness
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1663[12:53:43] <teraflops> markand: are you talking from him?
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1666[12:54:41] <teraflops> then why xbacklight isn't
working? do you know who did he run xbacklight too?
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1667[12:55:48] <teraflops> s/who/how
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1668[12:55:59] <markand> no but I understand exactly what he said
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1669[12:56:20] <markand> and personally, I never found xbacklight
working on any laptop I had (from HP to Lenovo)
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1673[12:57:11] <teraflops> sometimes to have to tell the kernel
the right acpi string
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1676[12:58:36] <teraflops> anyway is a waste of time since they
did not give more detailed info, so I bail on this one
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1709[13:17:20] <nicechap> hello, I am running the Debian 9 on my
laptop. I am nervous about any possible future harddisk failures.
What do I need to do in order to be able to recreate and run an
identical copy of my system in case of such an event?
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1711[13:17:54] <nicechap> basically, I am not very familiar with
backup options available for debian
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1712[13:18:15] <nicechap> I just would like to be able to rebuild
a running system with minimal effort in such an event
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1714[13:20:00] <markand> at boot I have a unit that emit a
warning, how can I show it ? systemctl list-units --failed does not
it
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1723[13:25:42] <JyZyXEL> wow, mesa 17 is still in the
experimental repos o_o
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1731[13:28:23] <BluesKaj> nicechap, clonezilla comes to mind
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1733[13:30:03] <nicechap> BluesKaj: I will look for its docs,
thanks!
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1735[13:31:13] <FMS> cloak
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1737[13:32:10] <BluesKaj> !cloak | FMS
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1738[13:32:43] <BluesKaj> FMS, try the #freenode chat , ask there
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1742[13:34:35] <nicechap> BluesKaj: say, my current HDD is 250Gb
and 90% of it freespace. Do you think I could back it up on a small
USB memory stick?
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1744[13:35:07] <nicechap> (and then later a new 250 Gb HDD and
restore the backup onto that from the USB memory?)
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1745[13:35:20] <nicechap> -and then later buy a new 250Gb ...
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1746[13:35:31] <BluesKaj> nicechap, yes, that should work
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1747[13:36:01] <nicechap> I am just not sure if the backup medium
(i.e. USB memory would have to be as big as the current HDD)
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1749[13:36:53] <BluesKaj> nicechap, why are you concerned about
your HDD , do you think it's failing, if so smart tools can
give some indications
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1750[13:37:16] <nicechap> BluesKaj: it is just that I have so
many configs etc, bit paranoid
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1751[13:37:48] <nicechap> nothing causing trouble at the moment,
just a contingency plan
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1752[13:39:17] <BluesKaj> nicechap resize your OS partition to
reasonable size like 50-60gb if you're worried
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1758[13:41:12] <BluesKaj> nicechap, read up about lonezilla ,
think it's very accomodating and flexible partition wise
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1764[13:45:54] <nicechap> yeh, looks very good really
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1765[13:46:12] <nicechap> I will give it a go, I guess starting
with a usb memory stick order..
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1767[13:46:37] <nicechap> cheers BluesKaj
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1771[13:49:47] <at0m> BluesKaj: tbh smart tools reports seem to
make zero sense in my experience
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1773[13:50:32] <at0m> some disks that reports 'immediate
failure' keep running for years after, others failed without
any warning
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1775[13:50:53] <at0m> must be some voodoo magic
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1780[13:54:24] <nicechap> if ( rand() > 0.5 ) { print
'immediate failure' } else { print '' }
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1782[13:54:36] <at0m> see, magic!
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1787[13:57:10] <nicechap> at0m: the source code above is
copyright, please ask for a license before using it in non-free
software
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1819[14:16:22] <louisdk> If I have a basic server mainly running
SSH would it be safe to upgrade directly from v. 6 -> 9?
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1851[14:36:35] <AbstractLion> Hello
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1852[14:37:23] <bionix> hi
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1854[14:38:05] <AbstractLion> Does the difference between linux
and windows mean anything else besides bytes on a magnetic hardware?
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1865[14:40:34] <eugenmayer> AbstractLion: nice try :)
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1867[14:40:57] <jelly> AbstractLion: there is no software. There
are only states of hardware.
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1870[14:41:11] <AbstractLion> Nice try?
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1871[14:41:20] <cdb23ax> hello a question iam running symantec
endpoint protection on my headless debian apache2 server
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1872[14:41:26] <jelly> AbstractLion: now. do you have a debian
support question?
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1873[14:41:30] <AbstractLion> eugenmayer: ?
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1876[14:41:43] <AbstractLion> Nah basically im just trying to
figure out why microsoft doesnt opensource windows
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1877[14:42:00] <cdb23ax> anyone using symantec as a av on debian?
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1879[14:42:07] <jelly> AbstractLion: wrong channel for that
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1881[14:42:25] <AbstractLion> You guys already know why you
opensource stuff
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1882[14:42:29] <AbstractLion> Why do they not?
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1884[14:43:20] <cdb23ax> i sucessfully installed symantec
endpoint protection with auto protection feature but it deletes my
eicar testvirus too late
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1885[14:43:28] <jelly> AbstractLion: try ##chat, or
#debian-offtopic, we use this channel for actual tech support issues
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1886[14:43:37] <AbstractLion> Alright sorry
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1887[14:43:40] <cdb23ax> everyday on midnight where the manual
scan runs the file is deleted
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1888[14:43:45] <AbstractLion> its a philosophical question that
needs adressing tho
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1889[14:44:14] <eugenmayer> AbstractLion: they use your skills,
pick google and find the 3 fantastrillardedn discussions about that
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1894[14:44:29] <eugenmayer> so you do not feel very special
having started this discussion.
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1896[14:44:44] <AbstractLion> Alright friend
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1897[14:44:54] <AbstractLion> Thank you
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1898[14:45:08] <AbstractLion> I do feel special tho
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1899[14:45:20] <eugenmayer>
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1900[14:45:30] <jelly> cdb23ax: you'll probably want to ask
the vendor about it
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1901[14:45:54] <AbstractLion> Did you ever think about the
question yourself or are you just regurgitating shit?
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1907[14:46:59] <jelly> cdb23ax: or their documentation, if Debian
is a supported platform, there may be additional configuration steps
required to enable their real-time features?
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1911[14:47:32] <eugenmayer> jelly: was to be expect - that
escalated quickly :)
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1912[14:47:49] <jelly> I'm surprised they managed to behave
that long
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1913[14:48:26] <talin> hello. what is the best way to get a newer
version of some software than what is currently in debian 8.8
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1914[14:48:44] <centrx> !backports
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1915[14:48:44] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
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1917[14:49:27] <eugenmayer> talin: in addition, sometimes you
have vendor channels. E.g. for nginx, docker and more. But if
backports already give you what you need, always pick it firsth
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1919[14:50:26] <eugenmayer> is there anything like this in linux
( particular debian 8 ): If you can reach this gateway, use it as
default, if not, use this one?
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1924[14:52:33] <eugenmayer> i am reading about iproute2 having 2
gateways, but actually i would like to have this like a
gateway-monitor or something
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1930[14:55:21] <talin> eugenmayer: thank you
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1935[14:57:07] <squarecube> for what reason is hexchat used?
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1936[14:57:19] <Bliepo> To chat
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1937[14:57:21] <squarecube> im new to it...
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1939[14:58:11] <squarecube> so how do i connect to my friends?
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1943[14:59:13] <babilen> squarecube: Which friends?
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1944[14:59:25] <squarecube> any friends
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1946[14:59:41] <Bliepo> squarecube: what software do they use?
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1947[14:59:46] <babilen> dpkg: tell squarecube -about irc
tutorial
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1951[15:00:27] <squarecube> dont know
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1952[15:00:29] <Bliepo> I think squarecube is actually looking
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1953[15:00:38] <BluesKaj> hexchat isn't an IM
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1954[15:00:47] <squarecube> i have never used this before
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1956[15:00:49] <babilen> squarecube: You might want to
familiarise with IRC by reading the tutorial our bot just told you
about. Please note that this is a technical support channel for
Debian users and that 'chat' usually happens elsewhere.
(e.g. #debian-offtopic)
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1957[15:01:22] <squarecube> ok
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1958[15:01:38] <babilen> And it does indeed sound as if you are
rather looking for an instant messenger client such as pidgin
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1959[15:02:13] <babilen> (which is geared towards connecting with
'friends' and two person conversations)
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1962[15:02:42] <babilen> squarecube: Do you use Debian?
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1966[15:03:00] <wr> how can i make debian jessie to autologin and
lock screen?
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1972[15:05:16] <BluesKaj> squarecube, why are you here, this is
debian support , try #kali-linux
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1980[15:07:27] <markand> I hope the installer will propose
systemd-boot instead of grub one day
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1983[15:08:44] <babilen> markand: You might want to help systemd
implement that then. Try #systemd
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1984[15:09:17] <markand> why systemd should implement that in the
debian installer ?
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1985[15:09:24] <markand> they won't do it for every distro
on earth :P
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1988[15:10:09] <babilen> markand: You said that you hope that
systemd-boot (whatever that is) could be used to replace grub one
day. If you want that to happen you might consider helping the
systemd people.
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1990[15:10:23] <markand> in the debian installer yes
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1991[15:10:30] <markand> antergos propose grub or systemd-boot
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1994[15:11:32] <babilen> Ah, looks as if it exists already. You
can file a bug against the installer or help the installer people to
integrate it if that is considered to be a good idea
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1995[15:11:53] <markand> I'll have a look, I could write it
myself as well
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2011[15:23:22] <teraflops> babilen: gummiboot is already in
jessie, not an option on the installer iirc. but you can use it. I
do already in a couple of machines
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2014[15:25:10] <babilen> teraflops: Yeah, I came across gummiboot
(but never used it), but wasn't familiar with systemd-boot
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2015[15:25:28] <teraflops> babilen: it's the same
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2016[15:26:03] <teraflops> markand: that's why I do not use
debian installer. you can only pick the options they implement
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2020[15:26:45] <teraflops> I mean, I prefer doing debootstrap
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2021[15:26:45] <markand> teraflops, you use debootstrap ?
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2022[15:26:48] <teraflops> yep
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2023[15:26:48] <markand> :))
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2024[15:27:09] <markand> but I read that upgrades won't work
if /boot is vfat
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2025[15:27:15] <markand> teraflops, do you use systemd-boot ?
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2026[15:27:35] <teraflops> I do gummiboot on a couple of
machines, yes
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2029[15:27:47] <babilen> That's a very German name btw
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2030[15:27:54] <markand> do you have a /boot and /boot/efi
partition ?
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2031[15:27:55] <teraflops> markand: I never had issues
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2033[15:28:38] <teraflops> markand: debian prefers them in fixed
location, same with grub
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2035[15:29:17] <teraflops> nothing stops you changing the patch
but then, shit happens unless you run it by hand
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2036[15:29:23] <teraflops> path^
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2037[15:29:54] <teraflops> hmm, I think I have something
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2038[15:30:27] <markand> what live image do you use to
debootstrap? the rescue shell?
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2041[15:31:50] <teraflops> markand: heh, I use the archiso with
the debian stuff I need
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2042[15:32:56] <teraflops> archlinux live iso I mean
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2043[15:33:59] <teraflops> markand: hmm, this way never went
south for me,
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2044[15:34:41] <teraflops> you have to generate the menu by hand,
but for systemd-boot is the way to go
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2045[15:35:44] <markand> I'm trying at the moment with
debootstrap
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2046[15:36:03] <markand> yeah, we need an update-systemd-boot as
well :p
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2047[15:36:09] <markand> when new kernels are upgraded
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2049[15:37:29] <teraflops> markand: right ;)
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2050[15:37:30] <markand> I just don't understand why some
people mount the EFI partition to /boot/efi and some do on /boot
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2052[15:38:25] <teraflops> markand: you can, but then I think
updating systemd-boot postinstall scripts may fail on debian
machines
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2053[15:38:57] <markand> so it's definitely better to mount
on /boot/efi ?
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2054[15:39:04] <teraflops> not sure though, I do not have etch
machines in production
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2055[15:39:11] <teraflops> stretch^
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2057[15:40:13] <markand> okay
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2062[15:41:56] <teraflops> markand: I guess the same if you mount
efi for grub in arbitrary location and you run update-grub, not sure
though
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2067[15:44:10] <Kobaz> # apt-get install hplip The following NEW
packages will be installed: hplip libpam-systemd policykit-1
printer-driver-postscript-hp systemd
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2069[15:44:18] <Kobaz> why? why does hp printer drivers need
systemd?
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2072[15:44:35] <donofrio_> anyone know what channel I'd goto
for #Sapphire (java class) folks would be?
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2083[15:48:07] <markand> teraflops, but we are okay to say that
you must copy kernel and initrd to /boot/efi as well? because
systemd-boot will be unable to find them if not
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2084[15:49:02] <teraflops> markand: just mount the esp to
/boof/efi and you'll be fine
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2085[15:49:22] <teraflops> boot^
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2104[15:54:40] <datasmurf> Hi, i tried to install lightdm but
during the installation my box went out of disk space. Seems that it
ain't a easy task to get deps fixed with dpkg. dpkg just wants
to install more pkgs to fix the broken deps. What a mess....
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2105[15:55:04] <seion> I am having the most difficult time
install a few libs in Debian 8.8 -- I am trying to install
libleveldb-dev and libboost-all-dev and keep getting met with un-met
dependencies errors on both...
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2106[15:55:41] <awal1> datasmurf, try ignoring recommended pkgs
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2108[15:56:56] <donofrio_> anyone do java web developement here
know what channel sapphire folks are at?
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2109[15:57:54] <somiaj> datasmurf: dpkg can't really fix
issues, use apt. apt-get -f install (provided you fixed your issue
with the not enough space)
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2112[15:58:13] <somiaj> !bat
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2113[15:58:13] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2115[15:58:27] <somiaj> seion: ^^ please post the above info
about the packages you are having trouble with.
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2120[15:59:27] <glick> hey why is it that when i use gnupg i get
a dialog box that asks for my passphrase
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2121[15:59:35] <glick> cant i keep it all on the commandline?
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2122[15:59:40] <glick> thats what im used to
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2125[16:00:04] <somiaj> you know that all command line commands
are logged, this could log your passphrase in plain text.
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2127[16:00:46] <glick> what if i wasnt running a window manager?
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2128[16:00:51] <glick> what then?
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2129[16:01:06] <datasmurf> glick: i think you have to symlnk
/usr/bin/pinentry to /usr/bin/pinentry-tty or remove that - iirc
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2130[16:01:08] <at0m> ~/.bash_history ?
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2131[16:01:08] <eugenmayer> is it possible to configure SSHD
connection rules per interface?
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2132[16:01:15] <somiaj> it might be some package you have
installed, it should give you a prompt in the command line. It
shoudln't require xorg.
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2134[16:01:38] <somiaj> oh yea pinentry is the name, it has
various packages to give gui vs console place to enter in pass
phrases
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2136[16:02:00] <datasmurf> df -h
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2138[16:02:06] <datasmurf> upps, sorry
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2148[16:06:28] <markand> okay it works :)
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2149[16:06:40] <markand> funny, the machine does not shut down on
ACPI signal
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2150[16:06:45] <markand> I wonder what I miss
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2154[16:08:09] <seion> I am having the most difficult time
install a few libs in Debian 8.8 -- I am trying to install
libleveldb-dev and libboost-all-dev and keep getting met with un-met
dependencies errors on both... -- libleveldb-dev outputs
replaced-url
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2155[16:08:33] <teraflops> markand: debootstrap? I think you
missed some packages
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2156[16:08:41] <markand> teraflops, yep
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2157[16:08:46] <markand> I install gnome-core now
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2158[16:09:17] <markand> I also need to check which flag to put
in /etc/fstab to get fsck running on hard shutdown
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2159[16:09:24] <markand> it says that my FAT partition is not
clean
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2167[16:13:44] <rdz> hey all. how to test/dry-run
unattended-upgrades? i'd like to see what packages _would_ be
upgraded
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2170[16:14:26] <Igel> good morning #debian
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2173[16:15:27] <Igel> rdz i bet you can add another repo and
weight it less than your typical repos selected.
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2185[16:20:05] <glick> why is gpg failing to generate key
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2186[16:20:11] <glick> i keep getting this error
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2187[16:20:15] <glick> gpg: agent_genkey failed: No such file or
directory
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2188[16:20:16] <glick> Key generation failed: No such file or
directory
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2190[16:21:57] <rdz> Igel, i found: unattended-upgrade --dry-run
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2198[16:23:50] <zwamkat> glick: maybe too simple: do you have the
right permissions for the directory where you want the new key
generated?
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2200[16:24:55] <glick> zwamkat: just the default .gnupg directory
in my home dir
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2201[16:25:00] <glick> id imagine i have th eright perms for that
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2203[16:25:09] <Meerkat> any news when firefox-esr 52 is being
released for jessie?
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2205[16:25:10] <zwamkat> glick: tru
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2206[16:25:12] <zwamkat> glick: true
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2207[16:25:46] <zwamkat> glick: do you specify the full path
creating the key?
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2210[16:26:22] <glick> zwamkat: i just do gpg --full-gen-key
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2212[16:27:51] <Igel> rdz: one sec
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2214[16:28:23] <Igel> its under pinning
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2216[16:28:26] <Igel>
replaced-url
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2218[16:28:51] <webuser5224> Does anyone know a good software for
diagrams with a dynamic page size?
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2220[16:29:27] <zwamkat> glick: What happens if you specify
--homedir and filename? Same issue?
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2221[16:29:46] <webuser5224> In LibreOffice, I always have to
manually set the page size and I'm searching for something that
doesn't distract as much, where on doesn't feel enclosed
by the document borders. Thanks!
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2223[16:29:55] <webuser5224> one*
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2226[16:31:09] <Igel> rdz:
replaced-url
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2229[16:32:17] <zwamkat> glick: according to
replaced-url
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2232[16:33:27] <seion> was aptitude removed in 8.8?
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2233[16:33:43] <greycat> no
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2235[16:34:48] <seion> uhg...
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2236[16:35:03] <greycat> ,v aptitude
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2237[16:35:04] <judd> Package: aptitude on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.6.8.2-1; jessie: 0.6.11-1+b1; stretch: 0.8.7-1; sid: 0.8.7-1
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2238[16:35:09] <jhutchinbs_wk> Pinning is not used much these
days, as mixing releases is VERY BAD.
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2244[16:36:56] <Igel> yeah it is
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2245[16:37:01] <Igel> for testing though
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2246[16:37:12] <Igel> if you did, apt upgrade -t testing -ys
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2247[16:37:14] <seion> it got un-installed in my last
dist-upgrade...
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2248[16:37:31] <Igel> that may solve or , apt update -t testing,
apt list --upgradable
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2249[16:37:36] <markand> hmmm interesting, gdm does not list my
user
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2250[16:38:45] <seion> my apt is jacked
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2251[16:38:54] <markand> I don't have aptitude on stretch
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2253[16:39:22] <seion> so its being removed?
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2259[16:43:19] <greycat> It's not being removed. If you want
it, install it.
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2297[17:00:57] <drupi> hi. i'm trying to install
gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf but I get a message that it cannot be
installed. it says it depends on gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf which
is not installable. how come? do I need to be on an "arm"
machine to do so?
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2299[17:01:30] <nix64bit> yes
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2302[17:02:05] <drupi> ok thanks
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2310[17:03:20] <jhutchinbs_wk> Cross-platform compiling is
something I should learn about some day.
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2312[17:03:30] <tw> I don't actually think you do. I can
install that just fine on amd64 and it properly picks up
cross-tools.
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2316[17:05:57] <nix64bit> isnt it a mission to setup a cross
compiler?
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2323[17:07:58] <tw> Depends on if you know what you actually want
vs just trying to figure it out the first time. Like do you really
know the difference between gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf vs gnueabi vs
arm-none-eabi?
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2326[17:08:28] <tw> And do you need more than one of these?
(usually yes)
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2327[17:08:32] <nix64bit> I tried to setup a cross compiler for
the rpi and it was a mission
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2328[17:08:56] <tw> there are precompiled binaries by a number of
vendors (inc debian's cross-tools).
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2331[17:09:20] <nix64bit> that sounds useful
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2332[17:09:32] <tw> If you are building them yourself, it's
like bootstrapping gentoo twice.
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2334[17:09:41] <nix64bit> it was easier to compile on the device
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2336[17:10:35] <tw> I suggest mounting the disk image in
qemu-user-arm backed by a ssd. Your builds will go craptons faster,
even with the instruction conversions.
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2342[17:11:14] <nix64bit> what about docker images?
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2343[17:11:35] <tw> probably also be fine; I'm not a docker
user.
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2352[17:17:20] <nix64bit> drupi: ^ ^ it is possible but you need
a cross compiler or container yes is not accurate sorry
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2354[17:19:11] <drupi> nix64bit: so i should install/boot into an
arm-debian qemu image, then compile?
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2358[17:21:13] <nix64bit> drupi: tw: has experience - i never had
any good experience with qemu
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2364[17:24:35] <seion> Having issues installing a few libs in
Debian 8.8 -- I am trying to install libleveldb-dev and
libboost-all-dev and keep getting met with un-met dependencies
errors on both... -- libleveldb-dev outputs
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2366[17:24:50] <greycat> !bat
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2367[17:24:50] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2369[17:25:19] <jelly> ,v libleveldb-dev
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2370[17:25:20] <judd> Package: libleveldb-dev on amd64 -- wheezy:
0+20120530.gitdd0d562-1; wheezy-backports: 1.17-1~bpo70+1; jessie:
1.17-1; jessie-backports: 1.18-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.18-5; sid:
1.19-2
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2371[17:25:22] <greycat> Most likely you have/had the debian
multimedia sources at some point, and have installed packages from
there, and these are breaking shit.
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2372[17:25:25] <drupi> tw: could you give me hint how to get
armhf-debian running on qemu?
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2374[17:26:22] <jelly> seion: you're mixing deb repo lines
for unstable and stable(jessie), this is absolutely unsupported
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2376[17:26:46] <seion> jelly: what do you mean?
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2378[17:27:29] <seion> jelly: I removed the unstable lines from
sources.list.d but still get same errors
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2379[17:27:46] <tw> drupi: you already have a disk image or you
have to bootstrap? Because the latter is more than I can briefly
describe.
replaced-url
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2381[17:28:08] <jelly> seion: if you'd previously installed
anything from unstable, your installation is now a mess
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2382[17:28:20] <seion> :/
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2383[17:28:24] <jelly> seion: the safest move is reinstall
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2385[17:28:33] <jelly> and Don't Do That
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2387[17:28:40] <rdz> how can i enable backports for
unattended-upgrades?
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2388[17:28:56] <seion> jelly: what about just upgrading
everything to unstable?
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2389[17:29:15] <glick> is anyone here well versed in gpg?
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2391[17:29:18] <tw> drupi: If you need to build a complete
install, debootstrap + qemu-user:
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2392[17:29:22] <greycat> seion: you could upgrade to stretch,
probably.
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2393[17:29:25] <jelly> seion: that may be an option, but then
you're on your own and this channel won't help you further
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2394[17:29:28] <glick> i created a key pair
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2396[17:29:33] <glick> and added a second UID to a key
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2397[17:29:45] <glick> now im trying to export the pubic key with
THAT particular UID
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2398[17:29:52] <glick> they both have the same email address
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2399[17:29:57] <jelly> seion: unstable is going to become a very
bumpy ride, very soon, right after stretch is released
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2400[17:29:57] <glick> but different uids
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2403[17:30:30] <drupi> tw: well, i just started with qemu a few
days ago. I managed to debian install going (using a debian iso to
boot and install). there is no iso for armhf like that, is there?
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2404[17:30:42] <jelly> seion: unless your main goal is helping to
fix bugs in debian, you probably don't want to run unstable
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2406[17:30:54] <seion> ok
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2407[17:30:57] <ntz> hello
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2408[17:31:04] <seion> I guess ill look into doing a fresh
install
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2409[17:31:31] <jelly> seion: nod. Do not add repos for anything
newer than your target release.
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2411[17:32:12] <seion> I added the repo do install one lib
manually, and I thought I set the priority of unstable to very low
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2412[17:32:24] <jelly> if that's stretch, don't add
buster or unstable. If that's jessie, don't add stretch
(or buster) or unstable to it. Priorities won't help you.
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2413[17:32:27] <tw> drupi: because of the way ARM boards
currently work, you don't really get a BIOS, so you have few
practical ways of discovering board resources. That makes a generic
ISO really hard.
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2414[17:32:35] <seion> meaning unless I specifically told it to
use unstable, it would not use unstable
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2416[17:32:39] <tw> So no, it doesn't exist.
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2417[17:32:54] <jelly> seion: doesn't work that way due to
dependencies.
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2418[17:33:05] <seion> ok
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2422[17:33:13] <jelly> more stuff than you wanted gets installed
easily, and then you have a mess
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2426[17:33:37] <ntz> pff, I wanted to ask for something that
I've already resolved ....
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2427[17:33:53] <ntz> so adieu ladies and gentlemans !!!
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2428[17:34:06] <jelly> seion: if you're 100% just one single
library package got installed from unstable, you can remove unstable
repos, run apt-get update, then remove that package.
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2430[17:34:14] <jelly> seion: see /msg dpkg partial downgrade
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2431[17:34:27] <seion> thanks
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2434[17:35:13] <seion> aptitude got uninstalled and now when I
try to install it, I get un-met dep also...
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2435[17:35:17] <seion> so that may not work either
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2436[17:35:28] <seion> ill just look into a fresh install, will
be a bit of work but :/
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2437[17:35:39] <jelly> a lesson is learned
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2439[17:35:44] <seion> yup
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2440[17:35:46] <vfoley> I received a new laptop yesterday
(Thinkpad T470); the Jessie net installer doesn't recognize the
ethernet card. What are my options at that point?
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2442[17:36:22] <jelly> vfoley: try the jessie installer image
with firmware first, /msg dpkg firmware images
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2444[17:36:47] <jelly> but other hardware on that machine may
need newer drivers than what's in jessie, too, not just
ethernet
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2446[17:37:00] <jelly> vfoley: so you might as well install
stretch
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2447[17:37:01] <vfoley> jelly: is it "regular" Jessie,
but with extra drivers and firmware?
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2448[17:37:12] <jelly> just extra firmware, nothing more
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2449[17:37:17] <vfoley> jelly: is there an installer for stretch
at this point?
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2450[17:37:21] <jelly> yes
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2453[17:37:43] <jelly> (there's a release candidate)
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2454[17:37:48] <greycat> !install stretech
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2455[17:37:53] <greycat> !install stretch
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2456[17:37:53] <dpkg> The best way to install Debian 9
"Stretch" is probably using the current release candidate
of the installer images.
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2457[17:38:21] <vfoley> Thanks gyus
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2458[17:38:26] <jelly> it's a laptop. Better point them to
firmware images right away
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2461[17:39:21] <jelly> vfoley:
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2462[17:39:31] <jelly> (-> amd64 -> iso-cd, or whatever)
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2464[17:40:04] <jelly> !firmware images
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2465[17:40:04] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
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2477[17:44:44] <awal1> upgraded jessie to stretch and systemctl
reboot (or just reboot) and shutdown -r now won't work; I had
to do reisub. is that a known bug?
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2481[17:47:11] <jelly> awal1: wfm. any more details?
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2482[17:47:16] <jelly> !doesn't work
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2483[17:47:16] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
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2487[17:47:51] <jelly> anything in logs/journal?
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2490[17:48:38] <awal1> jelly, no, nothing
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2491[17:48:41] <nix64bit> !dpkg
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2492[17:48:41] <dpkg> methinks dpkg is the program used by Debian
to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me
about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called
dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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2493[17:49:05] <nix64bit> !dpkgbot
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2494[17:49:05] <dpkg> Please visit
replaced-url
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2496[17:49:27] <nix64bit> !search dpkg
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2497[17:49:28] <dpkg> You can search my database on the web at
replaced-url
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2498[17:49:51] <nix64bit> !nice bot
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2499[17:49:52] <dpkg> Thanks! Meet me in #debian-offtopic where I
can pat _your_ tush?
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2536[18:06:19] <Dreaman> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian
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2575[18:25:36] <CrowX-> is there a solution like sshfs without
the overhead of ssh?
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2577[18:25:53] <CrowX-> to mount a drive over network, but
without encryption
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2578[18:26:39] <fnljk> hi. if I rent a VPS-server from a webhost
who use XEN (virtualization software) and want to make an encrypted
file-container with some portable (I hope can be so, atleast) apps
to run there, which packages could I install on it to be able to
mount it on-demand? After mounting it should keep running until told
not to (however), or system reboot/shutdown, requiring mounting
& pass at boot again.
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2579[18:28:13] <fnljk> ...unsure if this would help much (in
regards to potential snooping by host/hackers/others.. ) if they
were to get physical (or even FS) access while its mounted anyway..
other suggestions welcome as well .. :)
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2580[18:28:50] <th0r> CrowX-, without encryption?....samba maybe?
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2585[18:31:05] <centrx> CrowX-: There's not much overhead
with ssh or encryption
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2586[18:31:08] <centrx> CrowX-: It's like 5%
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2587[18:31:12] <CrowX-> I see
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2589[18:31:24] <centrx> CrowX-: actually, might be 0% because the
CPU is always going to be faster than the hard drive
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2591[18:31:32] <centrx> CrowX-: and the network
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2600[18:35:10] <fnljk> Hey, I often use "apt-cache search
SearchString | more" to search for packages... is there a
simple way someone can tell me that I can use wildcard-operator
(anything / * ) in SerarchString if I want to search a
package's name/description for,assuming * would work as
wildcard, like this*andthis ( "apt-cache search this*andthis |
more" -- that doesn't work..)
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2602[18:35:49] <fnljk> like "this" being in the first
part of its name/description, and "andthis" would be in
the latter part
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2604[18:36:23] <fnljk> or some way to use regular expressions
there and eventually how a newb to regexps could figure how to do
something like that then..
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2610[18:41:57] <jelly> fnljk: apt-cache search this andthis # can
be good enough
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2620[18:44:21] <fnljk> jelly: oh.. really. ..cool!:P Thanks, will
try
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2621[18:45:21] <fnljk> Maybe not, but... anyone can guesstimate
the release of Deb 9 .. ? maybe in a month, three months...? ...not
as much as 6 months or more possibly, or..? hmm.
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2622[18:45:48] <Dreaman> 18
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2623[18:45:53] <Dreaman> i use
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2624[18:46:03] <fnljk> And also anyway, having Deb8 , if
it'd potentially be a hassle to upgrade from Deb8 to Deb9 then
(assuming lots of various software already installed n stuff..) ?
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2625[18:46:05] <fnljk> 18 what
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2628[18:46:25] <Dreaman> ikolov@debian-ivan:~$ inxi -F
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2629[18:46:25] <Dreaman> System: Host: debian-ivan Kernel:
4.9.0-3-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
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2630[18:46:25] <Dreaman> Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: Debian
GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
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2633[18:46:32] <Dreaman> 18 is final
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2634[18:46:39] <Dreaman> may be
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2640[18:47:01] <fnljk> Hm. Sorry, not sure I understand what you
mean... (I'm quite newb to nix in general mind you..-sry =s )
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2642[18:47:16] <Dreaman> ok
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2645[18:47:53] <fnljk> I'd only like to get onto it once
it's fully released in stable form I think.. hmh.
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2649[18:49:14] <jelly> fnljk: there's a tentative release
date in the topic of this channel.
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2651[18:49:30] <jelly> /topic
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2652[18:49:39] <Dreaman>
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2653[18:49:40] <jelly> you also saw that when you joined the
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2654[18:49:51] <fnljk> Oh! Sorry, I didn't notice.. :s
Thanks!
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2658[18:51:42] <fnljk> For sake of full-disk backup, with
encryption in-transit and also encrypted storage on the external
backup server (in LAN, possibly it then transferring to an off-site
server as well) .. any common smart solutions to recommend...? Id
prolly wanna use multiple different solutions, nested- or
compartmentalized encrypted containers.. something to automatically
scheduled start imaging of a disk, s
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2660[18:52:32] <fnljk> ..send encrypted at a certain time when
the receiving (backup-holding box) has enabled access as such,and
mounted a container to keep the backup where it'd
close/dismount it after..
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2662[18:52:58] <fnljk> "Bacula" - I've read is
"enterprise-grade open-source backup software" -- anyone
used this.. good stuff?
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2666[18:54:36] <fnljk> I'd hope to somehow eventually be
able to schedule imaging or full-disk copy/transfer to an other box
in the LAN, encryped in-transit and encrypted most/all the time too,
besides (as required then, I'd think) when it's receiving
the transferred backup...
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2671[18:55:43] <fnljk> hoping to withstand ransomware-tampering,
hackers , or possibly even ones with physical access , from
penetrating the backup-box. Would likely cut internet access during
this LAN-only backup operation.
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2704[19:15:46] <spacebug^> does 'Intel HD 4600'
graphics work with Jessie?
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2705[19:15:54] <spacebug^> without backports that is..
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2709[19:17:44] <greycat> spacebug^: start with lspci -nn | grep
VGA
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2710[19:19:23] <spacebug^>
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2711[19:19:56] <greycat> you don't need a paste site for 2
lines :-/
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2712[19:20:13] <spacebug^> hehe sorry, just used to :)
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2713[19:20:31] <greycat> OK, this looks like one of those combo
Intel+NVidia things... what was it, bumblebee?
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2714[19:20:34] <spacebug^> anyway, I know it's an Intel i7
with HD 4600
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2715[19:20:39] <greycat> !bumblebee
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2716[19:20:40] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide
support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux
systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are
Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep
'\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the
laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and
<wheezy-backports>.
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2718[19:21:05] <spacebug^> I'm currently using NVIDIA, will
get rid of that and only use GPU in CPU to be able ti use just free
software
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2720[19:21:27] <spacebug^> s/ti/to/
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2721[19:21:54] <spacebug^> just not sure if 4600 support is added
to Jessie or if it needs Stretch
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2722[19:22:04] <greycat> I'd do whatever
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2723[19:22:12] <spacebug^> hum ok, thanks
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2726[19:23:04] <spacebug^> seems to be some sort of NVIDIA
support thing.. not really what I was looking for. Anyway
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2729[19:23:50] <jelly> spacebug^: do you already have debian
installed?
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2734[19:24:41] <jelly> spacebug^: which intel cpu model is this?
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2739[19:25:37] <jorb> so whats the deal with
update-flashplugin-nonfree, am i doing something wrong ? always
getting this 404 from the people.debian.org/~bartm/ url.
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2740[19:25:40] <spacebug^> jelly: Yes. And using NVIDIA and
everything works great. I'm just about to take out the NVIDIA
card and only use the integrated HD 4600 for graphics instead, hence
the question, will Jessie support that or should I wait for Stretch
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2741[19:25:58] <spacebug^> Intel® Core™ i7-4790S CPU @
3.20GHz × 8
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2746[19:26:47] <greycat> jorb: the package is known to be broken.
Just download it directly from adobe's web site and install it
manually.
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2747[19:27:03] <yrkurgsuk>
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2748[19:27:05] <GumShoe> I have an older HP tx2000 notebook.
I've succesfully installed debian 9 stretch on it. I added some
non-free software to get wireless going too. Today I'm trying
to add an additional monitor and extend the desktop with different
resolution on the notebook and the external monitor.
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2751[19:27:33] <GumShoe> The detect monitor button doesn't
appear to be doing anything. I'm not even sure that's
it's enabled.
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2752[19:27:46] <jorb> greycat: thx, yah i see that manual update
step on the wiki page too, thx
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2754[19:28:04] <jorb> i think its just ~bartm's fault but
w/e
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2755[19:28:42] <GumShoe> Although bot monitrs are working, the
monitor prefrences doesn't show two monitors,
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2758[19:29:25] <GumShoe> I'm pretty sure I did have an
external monitor working with debian.
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2762[19:31:48] <GumShoe> I can set a higher resolution than the
nb supports and it's reflected on the monitor.
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2773[19:36:38] <GumShoe> It's an ATI Radeon
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2786[19:44:16] <GumShoe> Funny how describing a problem in irc or
on stackoverflow often prompts me to solve it myself! Found
additional drivers that did the trick.
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2791[19:45:51] <vadimkolchev> Seems like I've done idiotic
thing, lack of sleep. Just installed Nvidia driver on machine with
no nvidia card (intel built-in) and gnome now shows "Something
has gone wrong" not letting me to login screen. Will it be
enough to just remove nvidia driver and reinstall xorg, or it is
better to reinstall everything?
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2805[19:50:41] <inch> vadimkolchev: Try uninstalling the nvidia
driver (with apt if you installed with apt or the nvidia-uninstall
if you installed without apt)
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2808[19:51:23] <inch> Then you can try "debsums -c" to
see which packages need to be reinstalled.
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2811[19:51:58] <vadimkolchev> inch, installed with apt, will try
it, thanks
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2821[19:56:41] <Violinist> have u guys seen my cow
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2824[19:59:15] <ddybing> Hi! I want to set a password expiration
date of X days when creating new users through useradd, but I am not
sure what command I should use. useradd -D -e 30?
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2826[20:00:16] <jelly> Violinist: your cow is in #debian-offtopic
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2828[20:00:43] <inch> apt-get moo
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2829[20:00:45] <greycat> ddybing: "man usermode" says
that yeah, --expiredate or -e is the correct option
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2830[20:01:24] <ddybing> Thank you. I haven't used that
option before, though. Will the user be asked to create a new
password when logging after expiration?
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2833[20:01:31] <ddybing> Or do an administrator need to unlock
the account?
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2835[20:01:46] <greycat> -e, --expiredate EXPIRE_DATE
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2836[20:01:47] <greycat> The date on which the user account will
be disabled.
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2837[20:01:59] <greycat> Did you want "force a password
change" instead of "disable"?
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2840[20:02:48] <jelly> ddybing: they have to provide the old
password and then change it immediately, when that happens.
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2841[20:03:51] <ddybing> Yeah, I just got a bit confused when
reading the man page. I misunderstood and thought the account was
disabled, and needed attention from an administrator after the
expiration.
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2844[20:04:25] <greycat> jelly: ... is that what they mean by
"disabled"? That a password change is enforced? If so,
that is very unclear.
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2846[20:05:23] <ddybing> OK, so am I not the only one confused
then XD
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2851[20:06:11] <jelly> greycat: expiry is just expiry
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2852[20:06:34] <greycat> jelly: meaning what? What HAPPENS when
the clock reaches that time?
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2853[20:06:44] <ddybing> Which means the account will be
"permanently" disabled and the user cannot log in
"ever again"?
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2854[20:07:00] <jelly> disabling is a separate action, that may
or may not be enforced 0, 1, more or -1 (never) days after expiry
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2855[20:07:07] <greycat> hmm, looks like shadow(5) explains at
least a little bit
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2856[20:07:31] <jelly> yeah, those are all shadow's features
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2857[20:08:09] <jelly> after expiry date passes, further login
attempts require a password change
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2859[20:08:17] <ddybing> OK, so if I want an account's
password to expire after X days, and to prompt the user to change
their password upon logon after this expiration, what command should
I use?
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2860[20:08:31] <ddybing> Is -e/expire the right one?
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2861[20:08:41] <jelly> that I don't remember.
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2862[20:08:44] <greycat> ... and usermod(8) does NOT have
shadow(5) in its SEE ALSO section!
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2864[20:09:00] <greycat> Grrr.
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2865[20:09:24] <ddybing> OK, I think I found something.
"PASS_MAX_DAYS - Maximum number of days a password may be
used"
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2867[20:09:29] <greycat> ddybing: you will have to try it and
see. It is not documented. Good luck.
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2870[20:09:43] <greycat> I do suggest you read shadow(5).
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2874[20:09:56] <ddybing> Well, thanks to both of you for your
assistance :-) I will try!
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2879[20:12:36] <pie3> anyone used/know wireshark?
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2881[20:13:01] <`Kevin> sure but there is #wireshark :)
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2885[20:15:04] <pie3> thanks
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2888[20:15:54] <mgood7123> hi
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2889[20:16:08] <mgood7123> can anyone help me install sudo
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2890[20:16:12] <nix64bit> I am trying to stop docker containers
on debian9 docker0: flags=4099<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu
1500
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2891[20:16:17] <mgood7123> in chroot
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2892[20:16:26] <greycat> mgood7123: type "su". then the
root password. Then type "apt-get update". Then type
"apt-get install sudo".
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2893[20:16:54] <mgood7123> as i get this when i run sudo
"sudo: unknown uid 0: who are you?"
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2894[20:17:06] <nix64bit> I have gone through all the kill and
stop commands
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2895[20:17:10] <greycat> You broke your passwd file?
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2897[20:17:20] <greycat> what do "id root" and "id
0" say?
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2898[20:17:43] <mgood7123> altho it is not giving me the PAM
error so i guess that is a step up
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2899[20:17:47] <nix64bit> su -
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2900[20:17:52] <greycat> ... "the pam error"
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2902[20:18:10] <greycat> "So I broke the hell out of my
entire login system earlier, but now I am just going to ask how to
install sudo"
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2903[20:18:17] <mgood7123> in other words this "sudo: unable
to initialize PAM: No such file or directory"
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2904[20:18:27] <greycat> What did yoU DO
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2905[20:18:36] <mgood7123> idk ;-;
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2906[20:18:45] <greycat> Did you remove directories inside /etc?
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2909[20:19:02] <greycat> Did you remove required libraries?
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2912[20:20:05] <mgood7123> etc does not contain passwd
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2915[20:21:12] <`Kevin> mgood7123: this is within the chroot
correct?
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2916[20:21:29] <mgood7123> yes
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2917[20:21:45] <mgood7123> even when i copy my passwd into it it
still gives that
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2919[20:21:48] <greycat> Oh, you simply didn't install
Debian correctly? Redo it.
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2920[20:21:54] <greycat> !debootstrap
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2921[20:21:55] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian
system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a
<chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a
Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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2924[20:22:07] <`Kevin> mgood7123: id imagine you are asking
quite a bit regarding how to get sudo within a chroot (if you want a
minimal chroot) otherwise debootstrap ^
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2927[20:22:35] <mgood7123> no, im just trying to get sudo to
package properly
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2930[20:22:48] <greycat> You literally HAD NO /etc/passwd FILE
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2932[20:23:02] <greycat> There is no "just trying" when
your system is THAT broken.
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2933[20:23:12] <mgood7123> rip
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2934[20:23:13] <nix64bit> might not have persmission
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2935[20:23:14] <greycat> God only knows what ELSE you are
missing.
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2939[20:23:19] <`Kevin> ^ exactly , that is way to much to walk
you through for something like this
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2941[20:23:23] <mgood7123> ;p;
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2942[20:23:26] <mgood7123> lol*
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2944[20:23:46] <nix64bit> i had something similar once
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2949[20:24:36] <`Kevin> use ldd, copy so files and whatever else
you need for sudo.. hell copy over strace so you can see what it is
hitting but thats a ton of digging and manual work if its from
scratch
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2953[20:26:33] <mgood7123> how do i mv a folder and overwrite any
existing folders without getting directory not empty
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2954[20:26:39] <mgood7123> move*
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2955[20:27:41] <nix64bit>
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2966[20:33:55] <spacebug^> So, I have removed the NVIDIA card but
I can't get more than 1024x768 resolution with Intel, even with
backports. What am I doing wrong?
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2967[20:34:03] <awal1> Is 0libdvd-pkg' what is needed for
read protected dvd?
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2968[20:34:13] <awal1> libdvd-pkg
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2970[20:35:13] <at0m> libdvdcss, afaik
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2972[20:36:05] <at0m> ,v libdvdcss
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2973[20:36:06] <judd> No package named 'libdvdcss' was
found in amd64.
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2974[20:36:08] <at0m> ,v libdvdcss2
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2975[20:36:09] <judd> Package: libdvdcss2 on amd64 --
wheezy-multimedia: 1.2.13-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1.3.0-dmo1;
sid-multimedia: 1.4.0-dmo1
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2976[20:36:32] <awal1> libdvd-pkg provides libvdvdcss2. looks all
fine so
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2978[20:36:39] <at0m> ah, oki
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2979[20:36:46] <awal1> :)
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2990[20:44:02] <new-nick> hi there, when apt-get remove iceweasel
package, gnome-core (meta-package) along being to removed.
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2991[20:44:11] <greycat> Let it.
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2995[20:44:58] <greycat> Unless there're *other* packages it
wants to remove, besides gnome-core, that you actually care about.
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2997[20:45:11] <new-nick> ok, I learnt what is
"transactional" package. But the meta packages do?
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2998[20:45:17] <greycat> transitional
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2999[20:45:40] <new-nick> The following packages will be REMOVED:
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3000[20:45:40] <new-nick> gnome-core iceweasel
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3001[20:45:40] <new-nick> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to
remove and 1 not upgraded.
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3004[20:46:48] <greycat> Not seeing a problem.
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3006[20:47:29] <new-nick> Oh yes, transitional package. last year
I was removing some package and blindly typed "y" multiple
times and it put me with out any desktop environment after restart.
I had to reinstall Gnome all the way again
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3008[20:48:21] <at0m> new-nick: a meta-package depends on a bunch
of other packages, here to give you gnome desktop, not the other way
round. removing it will leave its depends in place.
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3010[20:49:10] <new-nick> at0m: thank u
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3011[20:49:28] <new-nick> greycat: thank u again today, Grey cat
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3012[20:50:33] <at0m> gnome-core also seems to depend on
iceweasel, that's why apt wants to remove the meta-package if
you remove a dependent package
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3017[20:51:43] <new-nick> As I was telling that I will be
downloading Debian Stretch and was thinking to try other DE as Gnome
getting bored look-wise. But after going though themes and Gnome
shell extension, all appearance different which let me stick around
Gnome.
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3022[20:52:49] <AlexPortable> What FTP server software would you
recommend?
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3023[20:53:27] <jelly> avoid ftp unless you're forced by
policy
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3024[20:53:31] <`Kevin> AlexPortable: are you stuck using ftp ^
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3025[20:53:39] <AlexPortable> what do you recommend?
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3027[20:53:46] <verm1n> sftp
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3028[20:53:47] <jelly> AlexPortable: sftp with chroots
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3029[20:53:53] <greycat> Educating your clients about... that.
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3030[20:53:56] <verm1n> you probably already run it
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3031[20:54:03] <AlexPortable> how do i disable shell access?
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3033[20:54:19] <mutante> AlexPortable: one way is setting
/bin/scponly as shell
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3034[20:54:29] <jelly> NOT scp
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3036[20:54:34] <jelly> scp sucks
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3037[20:54:40] <jelly> sftp.
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3038[20:54:49] <AlexPortable> /bin/sftp ?
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3040[20:55:20] <greycat> it's probably in /usr/bin
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3041[20:55:25] <jelly> all the "restricted shells for
scp" are badly written and have escape-level bugs once a year
at leaqst
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3044[20:55:48] <nix64bit> how can i kill a docker bridge visible
in ifconfig - i have removed all docker containers and all
references to docker and it still show>>
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3045[20:55:52] <nix64bit> ??
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3046[20:55:59] <new-nick> jelly: what? scp sucks ? why ? I just
moving towards to scp. Even though, I don't know to use same
command with host address
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3047[20:56:12] <jelly> sftp-only accounts, with chroots, are a
bit more involved to set up, but are sane
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3048[20:56:14] <`Kevin> nix64bit: docker network rm ?
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3050[20:56:52] <nix64bit> `Kevin: I have purged docker comletely
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3052[20:56:58] <`Kevin> nix64bit: worst case scenario ip link del
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3053[20:57:08] <greycat> new-nick: how to break scp in one easy
step: scp filename remote:"/tmp/a filename with spaces"
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3055[20:57:17] <jelly> new-nick: it requires shell with glob
expansion. It cannot handle symlinks sanely. the scp-specific shells
are crap.
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3056[20:57:39] <`Kevin> nix64bit: and/or brctl delbr
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3057[20:57:46] <jelly> double escaping makes jelly break in hives
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3058[20:57:48] <new-nick> jelly: r u suggesting sftp as
AlexPortable is asking for ftp solution ? Or is sftp really
superior/better to scp
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3059[20:57:58] <greycat> sftp is superior to both scp AND ftp
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3060[20:58:04] <jelly> ^^
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3061[20:58:49] <jelly> scp feels like a quick hack, sftp is a
decent file transfer protocol
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3062[20:58:59] <greycat> s/feels like/is/
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3064[20:59:38] <AlexPortable> how do i swtich to a different user
from commandline?
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3065[20:59:43] <AlexPortable> su - username doens't work
anymore
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3066[20:59:51] <jelly> AlexPortable: how does it fail?
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3067[20:59:51] <greycat> In what way did you break su?
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3068[20:59:57] <AlexPortable> usage: -su [-1246aCfpqrv] [-B
buffer_size] [-b batchfile] [-c cipher]
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3069[21:00:02] <jelly> (it ought to work if you know their
password)
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3070[21:00:08] <spacebug^> gnome does not support transparant
windows by default or some easy addon?
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3071[21:00:12] <AlexPortable> oh wait
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3072[21:00:14] <greycat> What did you *REALLY* type
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3073[21:00:15] <AlexPortable> its because /usr/bin/sftp
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3077[21:00:30] <greycat> You gave them /usr/bin/sftp as a login
shell?
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3078[21:00:32] <AlexPortable> yes
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3080[21:00:34] <leachim6> nah
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3081[21:00:35] <greycat> ... that's wrong.
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3082[21:00:44] <AlexPortable> <mutante> AlexPortable: one
way is setting /bin/scponly as shell
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3085[21:00:56] <AlexPortable> <jelly> NOT SCP. scp sucks.
sftp.
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3086[21:01:01] <new-nick> greycat: sounds good that sftp is
superior. I recently moving to scp from ftp. So it is better for me
to redirect my working method to sftp (even though I have to look
into setup sft first)
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3087[21:01:01] <jelly> AlexPortable: try reading docs for openssh
instead of doing crazy stuff
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3088[21:01:13] <leachim6> set force-command sftp-interal in your
/etc/ssh/sshd_config
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3089[21:01:14] <greycat> Well, if you wanted to prevent them from
getting a shell, and also prevent su from getting a shell AS them,
then you did great. You could've just used /bin/false too.
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3090[21:01:19] <jelly> noone said "change user's login
shell to sftp"
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3091[21:01:24] <leachim6> if you wanna jail sftp users,
you're gonna have a bad time that way
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3095[21:01:52] <AlexPortable> so /bin/false is no shell (but yes
sftp)
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3096[21:01:57] <AlexPortable> and /bin/nologin is no login at all
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3097[21:02:06] <greycat> They are both the same thing. No shell.
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3098[21:02:13] <leachim6> any shell will work with sftp because
sshd bypasses the shell entirely
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3099[21:02:27] <greycat> The nologin command just gives a
message.
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3100[21:02:46] <leachim6> anything that exits nonzero will work
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3101[21:02:55] <jelly> and /bin/false is precisely what I seems
to have for sftp upload accounts
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3102[21:02:55] <leachim6> you could set their shell to /bin/yes
if you were a sadist
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3103[21:02:58] <AlexPortable> well sftp isn't working when i
set it to /bin/nologin
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3105[21:03:14] <leachim6> AlexPortable: what have you got in your
/etc/ssh/sshd_config and define "not working"
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3106[21:03:33] <jelly> AlexPortable: there are other things to
configure for a proper sftp-only setup
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3108[21:03:45] <AlexPortable> leachim6: Server refused our key.
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3109[21:03:58] <leachim6> well that's an entirely different
issue my friend
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3111[21:04:14] <leachim6> you never mentioned you were doing
key-based auth with sftponly
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3112[21:04:17] <AlexPortable> How is it entirely different when
it works when I set the shell to /bin/false ?
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3113[21:04:18] <leachim6> it's possible but needs more steps
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3114[21:04:36] <greycat> sounds like your client is attempting a
regular ssh login before an sftp login, or something
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3115[21:04:41] <leachim6> ....then why not set the shell to
/bin/false
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3116[21:05:00] <AlexPortable> because you said any shell will
work, i need some way to lock down sftp also
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3117[21:05:02] <leachim6> false has one job, start->exit 1
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3118[21:05:04] <AlexPortable> like to prevent users from logging
in
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3119[21:05:09] <greycat> So use the thing that works.
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3121[21:05:25] <AlexPortable> but /nologin is just supposed to
work?
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3122[21:05:33] <greycat> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CLIENT YOU ARE
USING
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3123[21:05:41] <AlexPortable> no idea either
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3124[21:05:43] <greycat> except that it sure as hell is not
openssh, because openssh does not give that error
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3125[21:05:45] <AlexPortable> i can't setup everything based
on 1 client
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3126[21:05:54] <greycat> *sigh*
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3127[21:05:57] <leachim6> ^
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3128[21:06:02] <leachim6> ok so here's the thing
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3129[21:06:15] <leachim6> did you try actually executing
/sbin/nologin ?
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3130[21:06:20] <leachim6> because on my debian 8 machine it
doesn't exist
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3131[21:06:20] <AlexPortable> no
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3132[21:06:21] <jelly> AlexPortable: you can, however, test with
a predictable and debuggable client
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3133[21:06:27] <AlexPortable> jelly: like which?
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3134[21:06:28] <greycat> leachim6: he didn't even use the
right path.
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3135[21:06:35] <greycat> He keeps using /bin/nologin instead of
/sbin/nologin
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3136[21:06:39] <jelly> AlexPortable: like the openssh one.
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3138[21:07:13] <greycat> He can also test with the one he's
already testing with, on the grounds that it's the one his
clients are using, AND SINCE HE IS LITERALLY RUNNING IT, he should
ALSO know what it IS.
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3139[21:07:15] <jelly> you, know, /usr/bin/sftp the client.
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3140[21:07:22] <greycat> He should never be saying "I
don't know what client I just used"
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3141[21:07:42] <leachim6> if you executed /usr/bin/sftp
that's the openssl sftp client
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3142[21:07:52] <rlange> spacebug^: check out devilspie2 for gnome
window transparency
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3143[21:07:53] <AlexPortable> im on windows
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3144[21:07:54] <AlexPortable> i use filezilla
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3146[21:08:04] <greycat> So you DO know what client you used.
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3147[21:08:19] <AlexPortable> Yes but it sholdn't matter per
client basis no
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3148[21:08:21] <greycat> (The fact that you are on windows
explains SO much of why you piss me off continuously.)
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3150[21:08:42] <leachim6> on a serious note, if shell /bin/false
works, just use that
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3151[21:09:10] <AlexPortable> What should I set it to when i want
to prevent any login?
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3153[21:09:17] <AlexPortable> /bin/nologin or /sbin/nologin
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3154[21:09:20] <`Kevin> AlexPortable: it does matter per client
basis because each has a different implementation of what they think
should be done and how to an extent
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3156[21:09:25] <AlexPortable> greycat: How so, how is windows
related?
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3157[21:09:34] <spacebug^> thanks rlange
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3158[21:09:42] <leachim6> well for one if you were using the sftp
client it would be easy for us to reproduce your results
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3159[21:09:49] <leachim6> openssh sftp client that is
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3160[21:09:57] <greycat> It drives your entire frame of mind. It
means you think in certain ways. You've been trained in certain
ways. These ways are antithetical to the entire unix experience.
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3161[21:09:58] <AlexPortable> openssh is avaiable for windows?
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3162[21:09:59] <`Kevin> AlexPortable: think of how frontend
developers have to test on every browser not just one.
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3163[21:10:17] <`Kevin> AlexPortable: clients are not identical
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3164[21:10:19] <leachim6> AlexPortable: well sure, you can use
bash on windows, msys2, cygwin, run a linux vm in virtualbox
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3166[21:10:26] <leachim6> I use msys2 on windows boxes
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3167[21:10:37] <leachim6> it only takes a minute to install any
gives you "normal" ssh functions
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3169[21:10:47] <teraflops> AlexPortable: they have native
binaries
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3171[21:10:55] <leachim6> ^ or that
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3172[21:11:44] <AlexPortable> its not mentioned on their website
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3174[21:12:12] <AlexPortable>
replaced-url
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3179[21:13:35] <teraflops> AlexPortable:
replaced-url
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3180[21:14:11] <jelly> it is also allowed to run a sftp client on
the same machine where sftp server works.
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3181[21:14:24] <AlexPortable> thats actually interesting jelly
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3182[21:14:29] <AlexPortable> how do i do that
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3183[21:14:34] <greycat> "sftp localhost"
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3185[21:14:41] <jelly> you run the "sftp" command.
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3186[21:14:44] <greycat> "sftp username@localhost"
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3188[21:15:30] <leachim6> you still haven't shown us
what's in you /etc/ssh/sshd_config that is where I see the most
errors when I set this up at work
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3191[21:16:22] <greycat> If it works with /bin/false as shell
then we can probably assume his filezilla client did something other
than pure SFTP protocol.
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3192[21:16:48] <leachim6> I typically use winscp for that type of
stuff in windows, it has a lot more options for how to handle ssh
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3193[21:16:55] <leachim6> dispite the name it does sftp as well
-
3194[21:17:00] <leachim6> and can import keys from putty
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3195[21:17:04] <AlexPortable> When its set to /sbin/nologin:
Permission denied, please try again.
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3197[21:17:19] <greycat> So don't use that. Use what works.
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3198[21:17:27] <leachim6> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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3200[21:17:31] <AlexPortable> well im also trying to block access
completely
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3201[21:17:37] <AlexPortable> nologin will block that no?
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3203[21:17:45] <greycat> TEST IT AND SEE
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3204[21:17:49] <AlexPortable> i did
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3205[21:17:54] <leachim6> the only difference between false and
nologin is that nologin echoes a message
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3206[21:17:55] <AlexPortable> but maybe it will work on different
clients other
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3207[21:17:57] <leachim6> that is it
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3208[21:18:03] <greycat> So test those other clients toO!
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3210[21:18:08] <AlexPortable> i can't test 10000 clients
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3211[21:18:17] <AlexPortable> sftp keeps working with /bin/false
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3213[21:18:19] <leachim6> but can you test 2 though....
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3217[21:18:37] <leachim6> false is just as secure as nologin,
just keep it false
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3218[21:18:52] <AlexPortable> No i mean
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3219[21:18:57] <AlexPortable> i want to disable access completely
to an user
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3221[21:19:02] <greycat> *plonk*
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3222[21:19:13] <leachim6> ...then shut the machine down man!
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3223[21:19:14] <BernhardPosselt> how do i get rid of php 5.6 and
install 7.0 on stretch?
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3225[21:19:29] <leachim6> greycat: do you wanna tell him or
should I tell him?
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3226[21:19:32] <greycat> BernhardPosselt: install the
"php" package, and optionally remove the other one
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3227[21:19:44] <greycat> leachim6: I'm done with him for the
next 864000 seconds.
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3228[21:19:46] <BernhardPosselt> is there something like grep for
installed packages?
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3229[21:19:47] <AlexPortable> leachim6: "sorry our website
is offline because someone who had sftp access before isn't
allowed in anymore"
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3231[21:19:57] <greycat> BernhardPosselt: dpkg -l | grep php
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3232[21:20:01] <BernhardPosselt> ty
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3234[21:20:04] <leachim6> AlexPortable: u w0t m8?
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3235[21:20:10] <leachim6> AlexPortable: we're trying to hell
you man, I promise
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3236[21:20:16] <leachim6> *help, whoah
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3237[21:20:17] <AlexPortable> you said just shutdown the machine
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3238[21:20:31] <leachim6> admittedly that was a bit
tongue-in-cheek
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3239[21:20:44] <leachim6> AlexPortable: what do you mean when you
say "disable access completely to a user"
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3243[21:21:14] <AlexPortable> I want to \
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3245[21:21:22] <AlexPortable> someone left the company
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3246[21:21:33] <AlexPortable> i want to disallow access for him,
but i want to still keep his account
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3247[21:21:36] <leachim6> oh....why didn't you say so? just
lock their account
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3248[21:21:41] <leachim6> passwd -L
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3249[21:21:41] <AlexPortable> lock?
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3251[21:21:48] <leachim6> yeah man
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3255[21:21:59] <leachim6> is that what this has been about this
whole time?
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3257[21:22:04] <AlexPortable> yes
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3258[21:22:09] <leachim6> yeah set the shell as /bin/false and
lock the account
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3260[21:22:12] <AlexPortable> thats why i said /bin/nologin
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3261[21:22:14] <leachim6> that's it, you're done
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3262[21:22:31] <leachim6> it seemed like you were trying to
create an sftp-only user
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3263[21:22:35] <leachim6> it's a common request at my
company
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3264[21:22:39] <AlexPortable> I was
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3265[21:22:45] <AlexPortable> and then also make an option to
disable access completely
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3266[21:23:26] <leachim6> yeah so, make sure to remove any public
keys from $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys
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3267[21:23:35] <leachim6> then lock the account passwd -L
<user>
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3268[21:23:45] <leachim6> then set their shell to /bin/false
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3269[21:23:47] <leachim6> you're good2go
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3280[21:29:40] <Zta> I'm trying to put together a simple USB
stick that basically boots and runs a Docker server and some
containers. But during startup I want to detect my two (software)
RAID HDDs and mount them. I'd also like them to be fsck'ed
if necessary, so I assume the mount point is best placed in
/etc/fstab for this to happen automatically.
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3281[21:30:04] <leachim6> Zta: sounds like you want CoreOS
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3282[21:30:08] <AlexPortable> so the locking is to prevent them
from sftp access
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3284[21:30:20] <oflameo> I want to learn how to package things
properly and I want to build packages for Zero-K and all of these
cryptocurrcies
replaced-url
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3285[21:30:29] <AlexPortable> and the /bin/false is to prevent
shell access
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3286[21:30:42] <Zta> If my above assumptions are correct, all I
need is to auto-detect the RAID and put them in /etc/madm/madm.conf
and /etc/fstab early in boot.
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3287[21:30:42] <leachim6> AlexPortable: locking the account
basically disables all passowrd authentication, they'll still
be able to login if they have an ssh private key that matches a
public key in their homedir/.ssh/authorized_keys
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3288[21:30:46] <leachim6> so if you want to do it the right way
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3291[21:31:17] <leachim6> chown root:root
<theirHomedir>/.ssh/authorized_keys
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3292[21:31:27] <AlexPortable> will that also disable people su -
into someones account?
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3293[21:31:43] <leachim6> yes, unless they have the root password
or sudo access
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3295[21:31:57] <leachim6> but you're not giving root acces
to people you don't already trust though.....right?
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3298[21:32:40] <mgood7123> how do i make a standard user in
chroot
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3299[21:32:50] <greycat> chroot in. Run adduser.
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3301[21:34:08] <mgood7123> how do i change to that user
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3303[21:34:20] <greycat> chroot in, then su or sudo
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3305[21:34:45] <greycat> you can only chroot as root, so
it'll always be a two step process
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3308[21:35:01] <greycat> You can also run an sshd *inside* the
chroot, and then ssh into it.
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3309[21:35:39] <mgood7123> E: User ‘standard’ not
found
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3310[21:35:47] <leachim6> at this point it sounds like you want
lxc
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3314[21:37:37] <mgood7123> at the moment i want to test if sudo
will work but i cannot do that if i can only log in as root
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3318[21:39:10] <AlexPortable> leachim6: so how about
/bin/nologin, what's that for? Will that not prevent users from
connecting?
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3323[21:40:04] <leachim6> AlexPortable: like I said the only
difference between nologin and false is that nologin echoes
"This account is currently not available."
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3324[21:40:06] <leachim6> that's it
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3326[21:40:20] <leachim6> they both start, then immediately exit
1
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3327[21:40:24] <edi> what an entertaining discussion :d
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3328[21:40:32] <leachim6> edi: :P
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3330[21:40:42] <edi> but it learned me a few thing, din't
knew scp was so bad
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3331[21:40:43] <AlexPortable> So there is something built into
filezilla that says 'okay if i get that message, disconnect the
user'
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3332[21:41:08] <edi> but what about using rsync instead ?
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3333[21:41:44] <edi> or is it then using the wrong tool for just
a copy job?
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3335[21:42:14] <edi> honestly i try to avoid everything that has
ftp in its name
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3336[21:42:17] <jpw> i would say it's the ideal tool for a
copy job.
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3337[21:42:29] <edi> then I'm good :D
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3338[21:42:49] <jpw> unless its between local disks. then
it's unnecessary
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3340[21:43:39] <edi> ofc, was thinking the same, i would still
use scp on the LAN
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3341[21:43:54] <jpw> scp != rsync
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3342[21:44:00] <edi> as I don't hand out accounts to others
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3344[21:44:04] <edi> there
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3345[21:44:07] <edi> ah is it really ?
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3347[21:44:15] <jpw> nah its a very different beast
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3349[21:44:44] <leachim6> grab some popcorn and read `man rsync`
sometime
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3350[21:44:44] <edi> oh didn't see the !
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3351[21:44:48] <leachim6> then after that, read `man ssh`
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3352[21:44:53] <edi> :)
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3353[21:44:55] <leachim6> you never knew openssh lcould do so
much
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3354[21:44:56] <greycat> scp is a thin hack layer on top of ssh.
it constructs a shell command to do the actual copying. badly.
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3355[21:45:04] <jpw> rsync, it will subdivide files to calculate
the minimum amount of data that needs to be transferd to make b == a
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3356[21:45:07] <greycat> sftp is an entirely different protocol
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3357[21:45:07] <edi> oke
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3358[21:45:12] <leachim6> I'm not being condescending, I
recently read the entire manpage for openssh, it doe so much stuff I
never knew it could do
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3359[21:45:13] <jpw> scp will just copy the entire file
regardless
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3364[21:45:57] <edi> i'm trying to pick my battles :)
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3366[21:46:08] <Zta> so the tl;dr is "use rsync" ?
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3367[21:46:11] <edi> i thought rsync and scp where both based on
ssh
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3368[21:46:19] <new-nick> edi: had been avoiding everything has
'ftp' in it. (feel ftp is around ever since I started
years ago.) scp was excited now but, as suggested, moving to sftp/
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3369[21:46:22] <edi> but for different purposes
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3370[21:46:28] <greycat> rsync can use ssh as a transport layer,
but it runs rsync on the remote host to set up its own protocol
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3371[21:46:40] <greycat> the two rsyncs talk to each other
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3372[21:46:51] <jpw> Zta: provided that it is available (its not
installed by default)
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3373[21:46:53] <leachim6> you need rsync installed on both ends
for that to work, FYI
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3374[21:46:57] <edi> greycat, ok didn't knew that
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3375[21:47:25] <edi> atm I'm only using rsync for backups
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3376[21:47:29] <`Kevin> jpw: caveat, wholefile is more ideal in
many cases due to seeking overhead and such :) unless you are on
slower link speeds
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3377[21:47:40] <Zta> I got burnt by rsync --delete (I think) and
never touched it again.
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3379[21:47:58] <`Kevin> jpw: but rsync indeed can do either :)
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3380[21:48:28] <Zta> Perhaps I should grow up and try rsync
again, perhaps even make it my #1 tool for copying files. ..I mean..
remote .. sync..
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3383[21:48:52] <jpw> `Kevin: indeed but i usually use it for
large drectory trees. the convenience outweighs the overhead.
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3384[21:48:52] <edi> Zta, took me a while to figure the right
commands and I'm happy with it :)
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3385[21:48:53] <phogg> isn't there some implementation of
scp that internally uses sftp?
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3388[21:49:17] <`Kevin> jpw: i agree there
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3389[21:49:23] <jolt> Zta: Yeah, I would say that most sysadmins
use rsync as their preferred transfer tool. It has all bells ans
whistles and can limit speed, continue interupted transfers etc.
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3391[21:50:08] <greycat> I use scp if it's a single file.
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3392[21:50:14] <phogg> some people even alias cp=rsync
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3393[21:50:18] <jolt> alias rp='rsync -avP' and
you're all set
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3394[21:50:19] <greycat> And if there are no spaces in the
pathname, etc.
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3396[21:50:35] <edi> greycat, same here, that's why I was
surprised it is "bad"
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3397[21:50:38] <jolt> greycat: Yeah, depends on the circumstanses
sure
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3398[21:51:10] <edi> but yeah sftp with nologin on windows,
wouldn't even bother :)
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3401[21:51:50] <Zta> jolt: What does "rp" mean
according to your mind set? =)
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3402[21:52:16] <jpw> for those that will be learning rsync take
these following commands: `rsync -azr a:/mnt b:mnt` and `rsync -azr
a:/mnt/ b:/mnt` mean differnt things. The trailing slash is very
important. the former will copy /mnt as a directory the latter will
copy all files INSIDE /mnt from a-> b. this trips me up even
today.
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3403[21:52:27] <jolt> Zta: just shorter than typing the rest when
I almost always use it: saves a lot of characters in the long run :P
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3404[21:52:53] <`Kevin> rsync with permissions imo (rp)
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3406[21:53:28] <Zta> I looked it up. -P is not permissions;
it's short for --partial --progress
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3407[21:53:40] <leachim6> the -a preserves permissions, it stands
for "archive"
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3408[21:53:51] <jolt> 'a' is shortcut for a bunch of
things, including permissions
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3409[21:53:53] <`Kevin> Zta: its not but -a does
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3411[21:54:07] <jpw> just use -a generally. it copys links as
links, preserves permissions and maintains file metadata such as
times
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3412[21:54:08] <jolt> p is transfer progress, which is nice
overall
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3413[21:54:17] <Zta> -a is just "always use this" =)
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3414[21:54:45] <edi> :D
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3415[21:55:08] <new-nick> greycat: I wonder why would you even
use SCP since it is not secure as mentioned here ?
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3416[21:55:33] <jpw> scp is secure
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3417[21:55:36] <edi> if you're single user and you only have
keys
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3418[21:55:40] <edi> there's no problem
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3419[21:55:40] <jpw> rcp is not
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3421[21:55:50] <edi> i think
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3423[21:55:53] <spacebug^> is there a way to get transparent
windows in gnome under debian jessie?
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3426[21:56:16] <greycat> The insecurity comes when you give it
complicated or unknown pathnames. If I'm running it one time
from an interactive shell, and I know the pathnames (they are not in
shell variables), I know there is no risk.
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3430[21:57:23] <new-nick> thumbs up for the simple explanation.
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3431[21:57:32] <leachim6> ^^^ +1
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3433[21:59:53] <new-nick> between, I started digging into sftp
(not FTPS, FTP over SSH, SCP, confusing terms :| is sftp is what we
talking about here is bundled with Open SSH >
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3436[22:00:18] <leachim6> don't even get me started on ftps
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3437[22:00:24] <edi> :D
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3438[22:00:28] <new-nick> that mean, sftp is command line based
not usable with Filezillia(just clarifying)
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3439[22:00:33] <at0m>
replaced-url
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3440[22:00:38] <Zta> On a side regarding "progress",
just yesterday I discovered this little gem: dd status=progress,
e.g.: dd if=/dev/zero of=zeroes bs=1M count=1000 status=progress
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3441[22:00:42] <greycat> new-nick: incorrect.
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3442[22:00:44] <Zta> *side note
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3443[22:00:47] <leachim6> filezilla will handle sftp just fine
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3445[22:01:04] <greycat> SFTP is a protocol. Filezilla is
(perhaps) an SFTP client. So is /usr/bin/sftp. So are lots of other
things.
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3447[22:01:19] <new-nick> "FTP" is sticking around
everywhere. For some mins, I was pulling my hair out :)
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3448[22:01:47] <new-nick> man sftp say: secure file transfer
program ?
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3449[22:01:48] <jpw> new-nick: sftp is a subsystem of openssh
that allows directory listings like ftp i think. SCP required the
source and destination to be provided up front and can not provide
directory listings... I think from expierence.
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3450[22:02:18] <greycat> /usr/bin/sftp (man sftp) is a
command-line based SFTP client
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3451[22:02:30] <jolt> Zta: Speaking of progress bars, have you
seen 'pv'? Monitor/limit data through a pipe
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3452[22:02:31] <greycat> comparable in user interface to the
traditional /usr/bin/ftp
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3454[22:03:14] <jelly> sshfs is a nicer sftp client.
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3455[22:03:25] <Zta> jolt: That I also just discovered recently.
But it was always to have dd display progress, so I find the option
in dd better for this particular need =)
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3456[22:03:39] <phogg> translators everywhere!
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3457[22:03:48] <jolt> Yeah, I have abandoned ftp for sshfs and
sshd builtin chroots
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3458[22:03:57] <jelly> if one thinks remote filesystem mount
points are nice
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3459[22:04:37] <jelly> sshfs -o reconnect isn't all
powerful, and fuse-based filesystems sometimes get stuck
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3460[22:04:37] <jolt> Zta: You can also send it USR1 to get som
progress. Also a neat trick when you forgot various options :D
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3461[22:04:37] <phogg> They are nice. Down with specialized
tools. I want to browse the web with cd, ls and cat.
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3462[22:04:49] <Zta> jep
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3463[22:05:01] <jelly> phogg: curlftpfs for you then!
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3464[22:05:16] <Zta> I forget because alias dd='dd
status=progress'
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3465[22:05:23] <phogg> jelly: please tell me that's actually
a thing
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3466[22:05:37] <new-nick> in fact,I was thinking, openssh is more
protocol and application then after going through wiki, it clears
that SSH is protocol, OpenSSH is suit of application; SSH is remote
login, SCP - file transfer, SFTP - secure FTP programe, SSH-gen,
ssh-agent and so on...
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3467[22:05:39] <jelly> phogg: it does anything curl does
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3468[22:05:51] <phogg> jelly: looking at it now. Glorious
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3469[22:06:00] <jelly> (which includes mounting
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3471[22:06:27] <jpw> jelly: not webdav?
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3472[22:06:32] <phogg> jelly: now if only it could handle
javascript and present HTML in a terminal friendly format
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3473[22:06:43] <jelly> jpw: correct
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3474[22:06:54] <jpw> sloreplaced-url
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3475[22:07:02] <jelly> it's a hack.
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3476[22:07:09] <jpw> idd
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3477[22:07:29] <jelly> but sometimes you just want to boot a
server from a remote .iso without downloading the whole thing!
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3478[22:07:31] <phogg> cd /web/slashdot.org ; cat index.pl # this
is how I want to browse
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3479[22:07:55] <leachim6> I always just hitup `links -dump` to
get html presented to my tty
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3480[22:09:04] <jpw> phogg: that would be fun to implement as a
fs module for the kernel
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3481[22:09:11] <jer0me> phogg: ls /web/ is going to be epic
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3482[22:09:17] <phogg> jpw: in kernel would be a bit nuts; fuse
is less insane
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3483[22:09:32] <jpw> ive always thought cowsayfs would be fun too
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3484[22:09:33] <phogg> jer0me: I presume that mkdir is required
f