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• 1[00:00:28] <bdax> maybe
• 2[00:00:31] <bdax> n_blownapart: they're turquoise for me
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• 5[00:00:36] <n_blownapart> while installing vim, I'm getting (what I believe are) symlinks to .vim and .vimrc, which seems wrong to me.
• 6[00:00:58] <n_blownapart> these are in the .config directory
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• 10[00:02:25] <bdax> DDGO: long shot, but check for dns leaks as well
• 11[00:02:42] <DDGO> Sure :)
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• 20[00:05:26] <n_blownapart> nice thanks. some weird stuff going on where vim seems to be installing symlinks . bdax
• 21[00:05:49] <bdax> n_blownapart: does seem wrong that it would install that way. where do they point to?
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• 23[00:07:44] <n_blownapart> bdax, I'm using a haskell package called haskell-vim-now, but iit doesn't work since its looking for /usr/share/vim/syntax/syntax.vim ....so
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• 31[00:10:17] <bdax> is it under /usr/local/share/vim/... instead?
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• 36[00:12:51] <n_blownapart> bdax, its under /.config/haskell-vim-now/.vim/bundle/vim-mundo/tests/bundled/lh-vim-lib/autoload/lh/syntax.vim
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• 39[00:14:24] <n_blownapart> so I created a /usr/share/vim/syntax directory, and put a symlink in myself from above actual location to my faux vim/syntax/ directory. but it still can't find it. I'm a noob
• 40[00:14:30] <n_blownapart> bdax,
• 41[00:15:07] <bdax> ah, I was just about to suggest that
• 42[00:15:09] <n_blownapart> this is on a 32bit debian system
• 43[00:15:37] <Bliepo> Currently running a Jessie server and plan to upgrade to stretch in the future. But I was wondering whether: 1) it would be best to do a clean install as opposed to upgrading and 2) whether it is okay to switch as soon as it is released, or whether its better to wait (e.g. with ubuntu I'd usually wait for the point release)
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• 46[00:16:41] <n_blownapart> but bdax the strange thing I did a full dpkg purge of vim and apt-get remove vim, and in the output I saw files being removed from /usr/share/vim/ . so it's there but I don't know where it is
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• 51[00:17:56] <bdax> n_blownapart: I don't understand, where you say "it's there but I don't know where it is", it said it removed them but they weren't showing in the directory prior to that?
• 52[00:17:59] <bdax> Bliepo: how important is the server?
• 53[00:18:07] <n_blownapart> let me paste something, actually it was the output from apt-get autoremove
• 54[00:18:12] <n_blownapart> bdax,
• 55[00:18:42] <n_blownapart> which proves that /usr/share/vim is somewhere
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• 57[00:19:03] <gzcwnk> bliepo so far in place uppgardes have gone really well for me
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• 60[00:19:38] <gzcwnk> bliepo make a backup, and try it, but yes wait a few months IMHO.
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• 62[00:20:05] <at0m> same here. keep an eye out for the upgrade notes, and read up before you move. and /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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• 66[00:20:25] <bdax> for a server, I wouldn't upgrade unless I needed something in stretch
• 67[00:21:19] <n_blownapart> replaced-url
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• 70[00:22:13] <random101> hi, this might be a basic question, but I've been in the process of switching from jessie to stretch and got to kernel upgrades
• 71[00:22:15] <gzcwnk> bdax at some point the old release is n longer supported so a timely upgrade is sensible. I have a debian 8.x which started life as debian4 or5....10years+ old and still going
• 72[00:22:55] <random101> I did apt-get install linux-image-amd64 (my arch) and it went through fine, but uname -r still displays 2.6... as the kernel version
• 73[00:23:13] <random101> do I just need a reboot?
• 74[00:23:16] <at0m> yes
• 75[00:23:26] <gzcwnk> random101 did you reboot?
• 76[00:23:26] <bdax> n_blownapart: what is the error message that vim is giving exactly? and can you paste the content of that directory?
• 77[00:23:38] <random101> gzcwnk, not yet, wanted to make sure before I did in case things were borked
• 78[00:23:58] <gzcwnk> random101 its always the heart in mouth part
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• 80[00:24:14] <gzcwnk> random101 hence backups
• 81[00:24:20] <jvelasquez> how could I increase the number of characters across on my screen? it's currently 80 across.
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• 84[00:25:02] <random101> ok, just rebooted and it's still displaying 2.6... as the kernel version according to uname -r
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• 87[00:26:29] <huzheng> Hi!
• 88[00:27:04] <bdax> gzcwnk: yeah, but timely doesn't have to be on the day, jessie still has a few years left in her
• 89[00:27:07] <bdax> hi huzheng
• 90[00:27:13] <n_blownapart> bdax, I would have to install it again with the package. but simply may I ask: what is line 12 and 13 doing there in the paste?
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• 93[00:28:12] <n_blownapart> because that tells me there *is* a vim directory under /usr/share , but after a vim install there is no vim directory to be found.
• 94[00:28:36] <huzheng> Hi! bdax!
• 95[00:28:44] <bdax> n_blownapart: this might help: replaced-url
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• 97[00:29:13] <gzcwnk> bdax, totally agree, my experience is though dont leave it close to the end either then the changes between the two start to get more significant.
• 98[00:29:21] <Bliepo> Woops, had some internet loss there
• 99[00:29:25] <Bliepo> DNS trouble
• 100[00:29:26] <huzheng> bdax, can you visit replaced-url
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• 103[00:29:56] <Bliepo> So what did I miss?
• 104[00:30:19] <n_blownapart> ok so wait bdax : there is a default vim directory that ships with debian?
• 105[00:30:24] <huzheng> bdax?
• 106[00:30:31] <bdax> huzheng: nope sorry, no Hu Zheng's listed on that page
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• 108[00:30:46] <bdax> n_blownapart: I don't think it ships with debian, I assumed you had installed it previously
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• 110[00:31:03] <bdax> gzcwnk: yeah true, so for a server that was important I might wait a year
• 111[00:31:07] <CharlesHines> hello
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• 113[00:31:18] <bdax> I know the debian release team are stellar, but good to give it some time
• 114[00:31:27] <gzcwnk> bdax, agree
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• 116[00:31:49] <huzheng> And this: replaced-url
• 117[00:32:01] <gzcwnk> yes I have been hugely impressed with the dist-upgrade
• 118[00:32:13] <n_blownapart> because I have been manually removing vim files everywhere. Ok so the package installer for the haskell-vim-now is not putting anything in /usr/share . But it is looking for it there.
• 119[00:32:15] <bdax> huzheng: just seeing good old Bob Dylan there
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• 121[00:33:12] <huzheng> Thank you very much! bdax!
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• 123[00:33:42] <bdax> huzheng: no prob, not sure what I helped with to be honest
• 124[00:34:05] <huzheng> bdax, are you in USA or Canada?
• 125[00:34:08] <bdax> n_blownapart: if it's looking for it there then a symlink should work, I'm pretty sure vim supports them. otherwise try a hardlink maybe?
• 126[00:34:15] <bdax> mu
• 127[00:34:18] <bdax> UK!
• 128[00:34:28] <huzheng> OK!
• 129[00:34:31] <n_blownapart> one last thing bdax : by doing that autoremove, perhaps I can make a clean install of vim and the package and things will go better?
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• 131[00:35:02] <bdax> what about you huzheng?
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• 133[00:35:19] <huzheng> Who is In USA? Can you help me to visit replaced-url
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• 137[00:35:46] <bdax> hopefully n_blownapart, I wouldn't manually remove package files fwiw
• 138[00:35:52] <Bliepo> That's odd, some domains don't load and some do
• 139[00:35:58] <n_blownapart> forgot to mention, I had it working fine about a week ago, with syntax highlighting working, but for a small annoying glitch I removed it for a fresh install, then ran into problems
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• 141[00:36:29] <huzheng> Who is in USA? Can you help me?
• 142[00:37:12] <bdax> huzheng: literature 2016 was Bob Dylan, physics 2016 was David J. Thouless, F. Duncan M. Haldane and J. Michael Kosterlitz. all of which are from the US I think
• 143[00:37:59] <n_blownapart> thanks kindly bdax
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• 145[00:38:02] <huzheng> In China and UK, these information is wrong!
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• 147[00:38:53] <bdax> n_blownapart: no prob, good luck with that
• 148[00:39:06] <bdax> you're not mixing stable and testing or anything though are you? long shot
• 149[00:39:39] <bdax> huzheng: I'm not sure I understand
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• 157[00:41:53] <huzheng> I need one who is in USA to help me to visit that link!
• 158[00:42:02] <bdax> oh i see
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• 161[00:43:06] <bdax> huzheng: I just used a US proxy and got the same
• 162[00:43:08] <teraflops> huzheng: or use a proxy and do it yourself?
• 163[00:43:19] <bdax> you sure you're looking in the right place?
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• 165[00:43:56] <bdax> my guess was it's a firewall thing, probably blocking proxies
• 166[00:43:57] <huzheng> VPN is not OK.
• 167[00:44:25] <huzheng> teraflops, can you help me to visit that two links?
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• 170[00:44:57] <teraflops> nope
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• 172[00:45:23] <bdax> huzheng: I checked it with a US proxy, no changes
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• 174[00:45:58] <bdax> my guess is the nobel site isn't doing fancy proxy detection stuff
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• 176[00:46:18] <bdax> I think you're looking in the wrong place?
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• 178[00:46:35] <huzheng> Maybe need direct connection! In China proxy is still wrong!
• 179[00:47:02] <bdax> maybe, but I don't think that's a page that changes based on location
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• 183[00:49:54] <huzheng> China firewall can do this, they scan the web link and return a wrong web page.
• 184[00:50:44] <bdax> oh I see
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• 186[00:51:16] <huzheng> Who is in USA?
• 187[00:51:20] <huzheng> !!
• 188[00:51:20] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
• 189[00:51:21] <bdax> well, as far as I'm aware the UK doesn't have a firewall like that, so I should be seeing as it is
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• 192[00:51:50] <bdax> for now
• 193[00:51:56] <bdax> lol
• 194[00:52:44] <huzheng> UK should joined China firewall!
• 195[00:52:57] <bdax> haha, yeah maybe, the way things have been going
• 196[00:53:43] <bdax> well not 'should'.. but anyway, nah we don't have a firewall
• 197[00:54:23] <Violinist> yeah i watched the wall yesterday
• 198[00:54:26] <Violinist> lel
• 199[00:54:43] <teraflops> why firewalling when you can let packets flow and spy on them?
• 200[00:54:48] <Violinist> not sure if money wasted
• 201[00:55:04] <bdax> I've not seen it
• 202[00:55:12] <Violinist> teraflops, ya haha
• 203[00:55:14] <bdax> and yeah, surveillance is the pro way to go
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• 206[00:55:41] <Violinist> bdax, as long as its constitutional
• 207[00:55:54] <bdax> firewalls are for noobs
• 208[00:56:06] <bdax> I was being sarcastic or something similar
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• 210[00:56:28] <Violinist> ok yeah coz
• 211[00:56:29] <bdax> I don't really agree with surveillance, just agreeing that if you're going to be a big brother that surveillance > firewall
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• 213[00:56:46] <Violinist> yeah no1 said it was hard rite
• 214[00:57:10] <bdax> hard?
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• 216[00:57:16] <Violinist> just makes u an ass
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• 225[01:05:33] <huzheng> Can any one in USA to help me?
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• 284[01:39:44] <foul_owl> Hi folks. Having an issue where rhythmbox or banshee doesn't save song ratings. I checked and ratings are part of the id3 tag spec: replaced-url
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• 286[01:40:22] <glick> any emacs pros in here?
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• 305[01:50:46] <kunwon1> foul_owl: do those applications have write access to the files, or read only access? if the latter, it could cause what you're reporting, though i'd expect an error message would pop up
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• 330[01:59:33] <foul_owl> They can write other id3 metadata, such as album title
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• 341[02:04:17] <doc|work> Hi, using debian under kubernetes+docker I get 'unknown filesystem type glusterfs' on boot, but it works fine when I use mount. Anyone know what might cause that?
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• 371[02:30:27] <l0s5> Hello
• 372[02:31:04] <l0s5> Are there any linux applications that would help with productivity. Something like maybe a host file blocker for certain websites, or something that would limit the desktop to certain tasks at certain times?
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• 374[02:31:38] <l0s5> I mean like restrict to certain websites, or only allow certain applications at predefined sets... i'm not sure how to describe
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• 376[02:31:57] <bdax> l0s5: in my experience, you'll override them when the urge to procrastinate gets strong enough
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• 382[02:32:53] <l0s5> bdax, The point is the inability to be able to.
• 383[02:33:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> l0s5, you could do it with a proxy
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• 397[02:33:51] <l0s5> bdax, Total loss of system control, most specific to maybe only allowing a code or word editor open, or specifically block websites with a host file or proxy, but want predeveloped solution
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• 399[02:34:07] <l0s5> with somewhat of what I need, doesn't need to fill all facets.
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• 401[02:34:22] <bdax> l0s5: I only know of things that block websites
• 402[02:34:32] <bdax> various firefox/chrome plugins
• 403[02:34:49] <l0s5> bdax, Could you give me a common Linux based solution non browser addon?
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• 406[02:36:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> Squid has a few filter solutions along with predefined block lists, although mostly geared toward porn. Not sure that's your time sink.
• 407[02:36:34] <bdax> l0s5: replaced-url
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• 409[02:36:49] <bdax> it's old though
• 410[02:36:57] <l0s5> Maybe even parental control software, lol
• 411[02:37:23] <bdax> yeah but how are you gonna make it so you can't override it, you have root access presumeably
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• 413[02:38:16] <l0s5> bdax, Interesting, the project it is based on was updated more recently, but is OSX replaced-url
• 414[02:38:52] <bdax> yeah, there aren't many linux solutions I think
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• 416[02:39:10] <Eduard_Munteanu> replaced-url
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• 418[02:39:32] <bdax> loads for Windows, I installed one once for a friend, but she found a way around it
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• 424[02:41:37] <bdax> plus, you need the internet for stackoverflow, etc, right?
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• 428[02:44:40] <glick> hmm
• 429[02:44:47] <glick> what to do with my 2013 macbook
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• 433[02:44:58] <bdax> glick: I can give you a mailing address
• 434[02:45:08] <glick> ill prolly sell it
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• 437[02:45:24] <glick> my x200 kicks its ass
• 438[02:45:35] <bdax> trackpoint > all
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• 449[02:49:50] <doc|home> anyone?
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• 452[02:51:11] <bdax> what's up doc|home
• 453[02:51:30] <doc|home> Hi, my question was: using debian under kubernetes+docker I get 'unknown filesystem type glusterfs' on boot, but it works fine when I use mount. Anyone know what might cause that?
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• 469[03:00:21] <missmbob> !repeat
• 470[03:00:21] <dpkg> Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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• 472[03:01:16] <doc|home> missmbob, can you define immediately? Does an hour with lots of joins count? What if I asked yesterday too (which I did) and haven't received an answer.
• 473[03:01:35] <missmbob> doc|home: once an hour
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• 475[03:01:54] <doc|home> ok, so, not a problem then. Thanks.
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• 477[03:03:43] <glick> how do i install the emacs help files debian
• 478[03:03:49] <glick> for the in editor info files?
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• 480[03:06:29] <ryouma> glick: you might need nonfree for those, believe it or not
• 481[03:06:54] <ryouma> glick: gnu documents
• 482[03:07:01] <ryouma> same with tar
• 483[03:07:29] <ryouma> glick: emacs24-common-non-dfsg GNU Emacs common non-DFSG items, including the core do
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• 490[03:09:18] <glick> non free?
• 491[03:09:21] <glick> wtf?
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• 493[03:09:55] <ryouma> hehe
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• 504[03:14:20] <pbx> installed debian testing on a new laptop. all good so far. however, i need the`iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode` driver(s). how do i get this onto the machine in installable form?
• 505[03:14:51] <dvs> !iwlwifi
• 506[03:14:52] <dpkg> The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at replaced-url
• 507[03:15:05] <pbx> sorry if this sounds like a silly question. my googling thus far has turned up answers that 1) are about ubuntu or 2) assume you have some other net connection available
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• 510[03:15:58] <pbx> yes dvs - but note that step 2 on the howto there is “apt-get update”
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• 513[03:17:10] <dvs> pbx, download that package and transfer it to the computer via usb
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• 517[03:17:59] <missmbob> or install it with the firmware iso
• 518[03:18:19] <pbx> thanks dvs - after copying the ucode file over… then what?
• 519[03:18:51] <dvs> pbx, dpkg -i <packagename>
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• 521[03:19:20] * pbx tries it
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• 525[03:19:59] <dvs> ucode file? im talking about the deb package.
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• 528[03:20:39] <glick> i still cant change the wallpaper background on my mate desktop
• 529[03:20:43] <glick> what gives?
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• 543[03:27:38] <pbx> dvs: installed firmware-iwlwifi, no errors, but it’s not seeing the card. ah well
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• 545[03:27:52] <missmbob> did you restart?
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• 547[03:28:18] <dvs> pbx, modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi
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• 549[03:29:06] <pbx> i did restart. no output from those modprobe lines
• 550[03:29:23] <dvs> that's good if there is no output
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• 555[03:30:05] <dvs> pbx, how are you trying to "see the card"?
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• 561[03:32:37] <pbx> i take that back dvs, my router is appearing (in the xfce nm-applet) but silently fails to connect
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• 563[03:33:44] <dvs> oh, I don't know how to configure network-mamnager
• 564[03:34:11] <dvs> but the hard part is done. ;-)
• 565[03:34:26] <pbx> dvs: indeed. i am in fact now online.
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• 568[03:34:38] <pbx> lots of tweaking still to do but the big bit is done. thanks
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• 572[03:35:25] <dvs> no problem
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• 692[05:16:50] <nine_milli> we choose to use linux not because it’s easy but becase it’s nerdy
• 693[05:19:09] <dvs> heh
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• 703[05:27:02] <VentGrey> Hello World
• 704[05:27:08] <bazhang> hi
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• 707[05:27:53] <VentGrey> Is anyone here able to startx without a display manager?
• 708[05:28:07] <VentGrey> I mean, enter your credentials on the tty, enter and go straight to X
• 709[05:28:15] <jim> sure
• 710[05:29:10] <jim> it could be just a wm, or even just a terminal emulator (but something, a process which when exited, causes the x to exit
• 711[05:29:28] <jim> )
• 712[05:29:31] <VentGrey> I tried to follow this post replaced-url
• 713[05:29:37] <VentGrey> I*
• 714[05:29:56] <jim> well if you startx, you're already logged in
• 715[05:30:06] <dvs> you don't want a display manager?
• 716[05:30:26] <VentGrey> Nope, It takes up to 15s in my boot and it is really not worth it
• 717[05:30:35] <VentGrey> lightdm is not too light :c
• 718[05:31:03] <dvs> O_O
• 719[05:31:48] <jim> wait, you said "u don't like the autologin", typo?
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• 722[05:32:55] <VentGrey> yes, typo
• 723[05:33:01] <VentGrey> im writing in a dark room :c
• 724[05:35:31] <jim> oh ok, so you meant (you talking) "I don't like it"
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• 728[05:37:01] <VentGrey> Yeah
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• 788[06:12:08] <VentGrey> :'v
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• 795[06:21:59] <jhutchins> 876
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• 798[06:22:41] <machinehum> How do I generate a proper sources.list?
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• 800[06:22:50] <machinehum> There are some generators online
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• 802[06:23:04] <machinehum> But all I want is a propper list for my location
• 803[06:23:07] <somiaj> machinehum: you shoudln't need much, what version of debian are you running?
• 804[06:23:10] <machinehum> 8
• 805[06:23:16] <somiaj> !jessie sources.list
• 806[06:23:17] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 808[06:23:40] <somiaj> deb.debian.org will pick a close mirror, you will have to manually choose a mirror if you don't want the auto redirector deb.debian.org
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• 811[06:24:21] <machinehum> Oh
• 812[06:24:34] <machinehum> Awesome, and if a mirror is down it will just pick another?
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• 816[06:25:01] <somiaj> there is supose to be some active/health status that it uses and it shouldn't point you at a mirror that is having troubles.
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• 820[06:29:04] <machinehum> Oh cool
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• 823[06:29:34] <machinehum> So it's looking like it wasn't a sources problem. I guess Debian is just way behind the mainline of kicad\
• 824[06:29:50] <machinehum> Not sure if anyone actually knows anything about that
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• 829[06:31:04] <somiaj> what do you mean by behind the mainline of kicad?
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• 831[06:31:42] <somiaj> debian is a frozen system, the versions are frozen about 6 months before the release, so jessie hasn't had anything except security and bug fixes for many years.
• 832[06:32:03] <somiaj> (note there are some rare exceptions to this, but debian tries really hard to provide a solid frozen system that doens't have version bumps)
• 833[06:32:34] <machinehum> Really
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• 837[06:33:23] <machinehum> The version of kicad is ~4 years outdated
• 838[06:33:28] <somiaj> yes really, read more on debian.org if you want info about the release. Some select software is provided via jessie-backports that is newer, but for the most part it is not as well tested.
• 839[06:33:36] <somiaj> and jessie was frozen a bit less than 4 years ago.
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• 842[06:34:29] <somiaj> Debian was released in April of 2015, froze fall of 2014, and depending on the software and matainer, having a package that is 4 years old isn't uncommon
• 843[06:34:32] <somiaj> !sns
• 844[06:34:33] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 845[06:34:38] <nine_milli> my name is john conner, i was sent from the future to stop debhelper from taking over the world
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• 847[06:35:06] <somiaj> debian provides stable well tested software. Part of what makes debian work so well is how well testing things are and that once a relaese happens things don't change, so version bumps don't happen which could introduce new bugs.
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• 849[06:35:52] <machinehum> My mind is a litte blown right now
• 850[06:35:54] <somiaj> looks like you can get version 4.0.5 from jessie-backports if needed.
• 851[06:36:00] <machinehum> Sorry for being a noob
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• 853[06:36:25] <somiaj> but the stable version is from 20140622, which appears to be the current version right before the freeze.
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• 855[06:37:09] <machinehum> Just reading about Stretch rn
• 856[06:37:10] <somiaj> machinehum: frozen systems have lots of advantages, espically for servers and production in which changes can cause extra work to fix bugs, or change stuff as api/abi change. Debian releases are designed to satisfy this need.
• 857[06:38:05] <machinehum> Cool yeah I understand
• 858[06:38:10] <machinehum> Makes sense
• 859[06:38:19] <somiaj> stretch is almost about to release (end of this month), so the stable can feel outdated to someone who wants newer software. jessie-backports helps a bit on this, but with debian one should think about what it provides, and you can have a very solid/stable system that will run for years without having to change anything if you stick to stable
• 860[06:38:44] <somiaj> there are still people running wheezy due to not wanting to redsign their whole production system.
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• 862[06:38:58] <machinehum> Makes sense
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• 865[06:39:45] <machinehum> I guess I always knew deb was so stable, but I never really understood why
• 866[06:39:57] <somiaj> stretch is really good to run as a desktop os since we are so close to the release, so currently 4.0.5 is the version in stretch, during the life of stretch this will not change (except for security and grave bug fixes)
• 867[06:40:17] <machinehum> Interesting
• 868[06:40:22] <machinehum> Looking forward to that
• 869[06:40:30] <somiaj> the main disavantage of stretch right now is limited security support. Security team won't focus on stretch until after the release.
• 870[06:40:37] <somiaj> !jessie-backports
• 871[06:40:37] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
• 872[06:40:51] <somiaj> but if you just wanted version 4.0.5, you can install it from jessie backports in jessie
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• 875[06:42:11] <machinehum> If I config my sources list to use the backports, won't it update all the software
• 876[06:42:34] <somiaj> no, jessie-backports is pinned in such a way software is not installed by default, you need to explicity tell apt if you want to install from jessie-backports
• 877[06:42:51] <machinehum> even when I apt-get update
• 878[06:42:59] <somiaj> this is because it is dangerous to run all jessie-backports software that has no where near the testing of offical stable packages. But sometimes you need newer software and it is provided.
• 879[06:42:59] <machinehum> even when I apt-get upgrade*
• 880[06:43:25] <machinehum> It wont upgrade my existing software w/ backport?
• 881[06:43:38] <somiaj> correct, jessie-backports is pinned such that apt will not think its versions are newer and will not upgrade to them, this means that you would have to run apt-get -t jessie-backports install kicad
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• 884[06:44:04] <somiaj> now once you insatll a package form jessie-backports it will keep it upgraded, but only after you explicity tell apt to install it from jessie-backports
• 885[06:44:12] <somiaj> just never run this command, apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade
• 886[06:44:34] <somiaj> i.e. don't tell your system to upgrade everything to jessie-backports, only install select packages from there.
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• 892[06:49:09] <machinehum> Okay good to know
• 893[06:49:35] <machinehum> Looks like a pretty soild way to break your entire system
• 894[06:49:35] <somiaj> but if you are running a desktop system and want newer software, you should consider upgraing to stretch. YOu can do it now or after the release.
• 895[06:49:58] <machinehum> How unstable is unstable
• 896[06:50:05] <machinehum> I mean I don't need rocksolid
• 897[06:50:30] <machinehum> But it is pretty amazing having a machine that never crashes
• 898[06:51:04] <somiaj> many run it as desktop systems. It is suggested you only do this if you know debian well.
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• 900[06:51:31] <somiaj> also right after the release, stable gets flooded with new packages, and can be a very rocky ride for the first few months after a release.
• 901[06:51:33] <IchGucksLive> hi all do i need root to set the xset
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• 903[06:51:50] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: no, the user who owns/ran the xsession can run xset
• 904[06:52:05] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: if you ran xorg as root (which you should nto do) then yes, xset woudl need to be run as root
• 905[06:52:16] <IchGucksLive> im on wheezy and it is a real challange to disable it
• 906[06:52:26] <somiaj> machinehum: unstable gets regular bugs that require you to fix things, I woudln't suggest it.
• 907[06:52:33] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: to disable what?
• 908[06:52:42] <machinehum> Cool cool
• 909[06:52:49] <IchGucksLive> screen blank screensaver
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• 911[06:53:12] <machinehum> I really appriciate the help!
• 912[06:53:15] <machinehum> Thanks!
• 913[06:53:16] <IchGucksLive> xset s off
• 914[06:53:33] <IchGucksLive> xset dpms 0 0 0
• 915[06:53:47] <IchGucksLive> xset -dpms s off
• 916[06:53:47] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: you will have to do that every time you load xorg unless you put that in some script that gets auto run by your de/wm when xorg starts.
• 917[06:54:15] <IchGucksLive> in what script this is best to put
• 918[06:54:17] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: I think you could put that in your .xsession file, and there maybe even some xorg.conf settings you could create to have that set on default
• 919[06:54:24] <somiaj> IchGucksLive: what desktop/wm do you use?
• 920[06:54:49] <IchGucksLive> good question how to find out
• 921[06:55:05] <somiaj> default is gnome
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• 923[06:55:27] <IchGucksLive> im on Realtime pae kernal
• 924[06:55:45] <somiaj> that is a kernel, nothing to do with the de/wm or xorg
• 925[06:55:48] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 926[06:55:52] <IchGucksLive> xfce 4
• 927[06:56:24] <somiaj> if using gnome or many of the modern des (like xfce4) that method of putting something in ~/.config/autostart should work just fine
• 928[06:56:35] <somiaj> write a small script to run those xset commands, they will run each time you load xfce
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• 930[06:57:00] <IchGucksLive> ok
• 931[06:57:07] <IchGucksLive> script is up as sh
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• 933[06:57:29] <IchGucksLive> so put the sh full path to the austostart
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• 935[06:57:50] <somiaj> no, write a .desktop file and put it in that directory, point the .desktop file at your script. Or read the link I posted
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• 938[07:00:46] <machinehum> somiaj: When you install a backport, and when it pulls the deps, how does it keep them compartamentalised?
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• 940[07:01:04] <somiaj> machinehum: it doesn't, backports are compiled/built to be compadable with jessie
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• 942[07:01:21] <somiaj> machinehum: they will be installed like any other package. But because it is a package, you can cleanly remove it if you don't want it anymore.
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• 944[07:01:55] <machinehum> So packages are always just binaries? Everything is staticly linked?
• 945[07:02:25] <machinehum> I thought there was some dynamically linked stuff that lives in /usr/lib
• 946[07:02:36] <somiaj> they are all binaries, but they are not statically linked, they use the shared libs in /usr/lib
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• 948[07:03:07] <somiaj> but they are compiled to use the libs in jessie. i.e. the package is built to work with jessie -- it just dosen't have nearly the amount of testing as normal jessie packages.
• 949[07:04:36] <machinehum> So all the files in /usr/lib are maintained by debian devs?
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• 951[07:04:52] <somiaj> yes, everytyhing in /usr should be installed from a debian package.
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• 953[07:06:26] <machinehum> They're not shared between packages?
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• 956[07:06:54] <somiaj> what do you mean by that? Debian uses shared libaries, that is why packages depend on libs, the libs have to be installed for the binary to work.
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• 958[07:08:35] <somiaj> that is also why you have to get special packages compiled to run on jessie (from jessie-backports) to work and cannot install packages from stretch directly.
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• 961[07:10:43] <machinehum> Okay makes sense
• 962[07:10:49] <machinehum> Thanks again!
• 963[07:10:52] <IchGucksLive> thanks somiaj
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• 1145[08:52:22] <bubba> Are you sure you want to proceed with the installation?
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• 1184[09:14:13] <TomyWork> hi. I want to release an update to an in-house debian package under a different name. I can't find the debian guidelines on renaming packages right now. any help?
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• 1209[09:33:28] <tpi> It was reaching almost 1 million views then the kike Jew rodent scum who own, control, and censor Jewtube manually changed the view count and made it 400,000.
• 1210[09:33:38] <tpi> Everyone noticed it and it was all over the comments section, then the rodent scum completely shut down the video. This is a second (or maybe third) upload.
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• 1239[09:43:14] <Hillari2> My god. No wonder THIS was never played on TV. Imagine. Their lies would have been destroyed with minimum effort, had actual true speeches of Hitler been shown. I always knew there was something profoundly wrong with the mainstream version of Hitler, despite brain bashing in the edjewcation system.
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• 1244[09:43:49] <polysics> wtf
• 1245[09:44:19] <polysics> spamming has gone full circle through the various communications channels and back to IRC :D
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• 1252[09:47:02] <at0m> apt search irc adblock
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• 1259[09:48:47] <markand> hey guys
• 1260[09:49:27] <markand> since we have both systemd-networkd and NetworkManager I was guessing if there are plans to remove the debian /etc/network/* stuff one day?
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• 1265[09:50:06] <jelly> markand: hopefully not soon
• 1266[09:50:31] <Lowl3v3l> markand: i somewhat doubt network-manager will be the only standard anytime soon
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• 1268[09:54:20] <markand> no but systemd-networkd is not bad
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• 1272[09:57:11] <at0m> last i checked, i use only /etc/network/interfaces. why would i need a service with Capitals in its Name?
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• 1275[09:59:32] <TomyWork> at0m i'll wait until you actually try that on a machine that ever switches networks :)
• 1276[09:59:33] <markand> at0m, systemd-networkd has no capitals
• 1277[09:59:55] <TomyWork> a laptop or something
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• 1279[09:59:59] <at0m> TomyWork: my machines here aren't going anywhere
• 1280[10:00:46] <TomyWork> and that is fine, no one is suggesting /etc/network/interfaces to go awa---oh he is
• 1281[10:00:54] <hid3> Hello everyone. Is there any way to enable tab autocompletion for systemctl related stuff? RHEL7 has got such functionality..
• 1282[10:01:11] <at0m> and then again, laptop can handle different networks just fine without such services
• 1283[10:01:33] <TomyWork> of course, but it's terribly inconvenient
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• 1285[10:02:47] <TomyWork> you can also edit all your files in ed (cat, electron guns, punch cards, butterflies)
• 1286[10:02:53] <at0m> hid3: do you have bash-completion ?
• 1287[10:02:54] <TomyWork> it's just terribly inconvenient
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• 1294[10:05:34] <TomyWork> btw, several posts on stackoverflow hinted at apt picking up files put manually into /var/cache/apt/archives. I'm trying that on wheezy, but it doesn't work
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• 1296[10:05:49] <TomyWork> apt-cache policy $package doesnt show the extra package version
• 1297[10:06:02] <TomyWork> apt-get install $package=$version says the version could not be found
• 1298[10:06:03] <hid3> at0m: Yes, I do have it
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• 1302[10:07:42] <markand> hm there is no virtualbox additions in stretch at the moment
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• 1305[10:09:03] <babilen> That is a true statement
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• 1309[10:09:15] <shtrb> markand , vbox is non free and is moved out from debian
• 1310[10:09:34] <shtrb> *Is no more free in DFSG terms
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• 1321[10:14:33] <markand> understood
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• 1325[10:15:46] <ryzokuken> hey everyone!
• 1326[10:15:59] <ryzokuken> Why is Python 3 not the default Python in stretch?
• 1327[10:16:22] <ryzokuken> or in any other version, even?
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• 1329[10:16:46] <ryzokuken> replaced-url
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• 1331[10:17:00] <ryzokuken> < 3 years to go.
• 1332[10:17:09] <ryzokuken> ^ that's not a heart.
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• 1334[10:17:24] <babilen> ryzokuken: What do you mean by "default python" exactly ?
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• 1337[10:20:41] <themill> ryzokuken: there is no "default python". There is a "default Python 2" which is 2.7.13 and a "default Python 3" which is 3.5.3.
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• 1342[10:21:33] <babilen> ryzokuken: I believe you might want to read replaced-url
• 1343[10:21:38] <BlackBishop> so .. if I sed -i 's/jessie/stretch/' /etc/apt/sources.list .. I won't have to do anything when stretch releases, right ?
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• 1346[10:22:06] <at0m> BlackBishop: like in /topic, /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
• 1347[10:23:00] <ryzokuken> babilen: themill: When I say default Python, I mean there's both python2 and python3 but python is an alias for python2, not python3.
• 1348[10:23:03] <babilen> themill: Probably a "/usr/bin/python → python3" change as in Arch
• 1349[10:23:05] <nix64bit> I also wonder why python2.7 is packaged as in the default install, its actually a bit irritating
• 1350[10:23:15] <nix64bit> re streatcj
• 1351[10:23:22] <ryzokuken> This might not change much, but its symbolic.
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• 1353[10:23:30] <BlackBishop> well, I get the security part ( for now anyway ).. it's mostly a fresh install -ish .. but I'd rather do stuff now than have to do it again in a couple of weeks
• 1354[10:23:33] <babilen> ryzokuken: Yeah, that is not generally considered to be a good idea. Read the PEP I linked earlier for more information.
• 1355[10:23:34] <themill> ryzokuken: it's symbolic of arch trying to break the world
• 1356[10:24:05] <themill> and having no clue about how the python ecosystem works or how to do sane software development or distribution
• 1357[10:24:11] <ryzokuken> babilen: Yes, it was right up there.
• 1358[10:24:14] <ryzokuken> strange.
• 1359[10:24:17] <mrrhq> I think python 2 is still used for some things.
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• 1361[10:24:32] <ryzokuken> with the end of life this close, nobody should ever make anything new in python2.
• 1362[10:24:41] <babilen> mrrhq: Even if Python 2 wasn't used for anything, "python" should still get you python2 and not python3
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• 1365[10:25:48] <ryzokuken> mrrhq: It is indeed, but it is getting discouraged now.
• 1366[10:26:37] <nix64bit> I thought this was #django room
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• 1368[10:26:41] <nix64bit> :)
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• 1370[10:28:05] <mrrhq> apt-cache rdepends python2.7
• 1371[10:28:14] <mrrhq> We still got a long way to go.
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• 1376[10:32:40] <ryzokuken> mrrhq: I could help contribute to a few projects over the summer.
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• 1378[10:32:51] <ryzokuken> regarding the migration, that is.
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• 1380[10:33:35] <ryzokuken> the thing is, I consider myself more of a Github person. Anything else is very new to me.
• 1381[10:33:54] <ryzokuken> I would definitely love to learn, though.
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• 1400[10:44:57] <TomyWork> i think my local apt indices are broken. how can i clear them?
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• 1407[10:46:53] <jelly> TomyWork: a simple "apt-get update" ought to fix that, does it not?
• 1408[10:47:26] <TomyWork> nope
• 1409[10:47:49] <TomyWork> the thing is, i have a box with an apt repo here
• 1410[10:48:44] <TomyWork> its Packages.gz contains a package with versions 1.2.3, 1.2.3~2017 and 1.2.4~2017. I can "apt-get update" all I want but it's not showing up in apt-cache policy
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• 1418[10:49:32] <TomyWork> correction: 1.2.3~2017 is missing. the other two versions do show up
• 1419[10:49:44] <TomyWork> the thing is, i need that particular version :)
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• 1422[10:50:04] <smusiIand> Hey I'm trying to recover some files with extundelete, bit i get error in extundelete' double free or corruption
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• 1429[10:53:51] <smusiIand> Anyone?
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• 1440[11:00:19] <babilen> smusiIand: Might want to try a different version
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• 1442[11:01:41] <smusiIand> Which one?
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• 1444[11:01:58] <Antares> hi
• 1445[11:02:08] <mrrhq> I wish we had a better btrfs-undelete that would work with already-mounted filesystems.
• 1446[11:02:08] <Antares> всем привет
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• 1448[11:02:19] <mrrhq> Then again, maybe I should backup and snapshot more.
• 1449[11:02:34] <mrrhq> Hah.
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• 1453[11:03:22] <at0m> dpkg: tell Antares about russian
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• 1459[11:04:20] <babilen> smusiIand: 0.2.4 is the latest and ancient
• 1460[11:04:39] <Antares> not fair
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• 1463[11:05:35] <babilen> smusiIand: You could look into photorec, but generally speaking; Most of your files are probably lost
• 1464[11:05:48] <smusiIand> Hmm
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• 1477[11:10:29] <sidharath> I`m unable to download the DVD 1 pre release images of debian-stretch, anybody please help?
• 1478[11:10:50] <smusiIand> babilen: i already have 0.2.4
• 1479[11:11:02] <sidharath> from replaced-url
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• 1482[11:11:25] <babilen> sidharath: What kind of problems are you facing?
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• 1485[11:12:53] <sidharath> I get a torrent not found error on transmission,I can only get the bittorrent versions with my internet, https downloads is not really possible
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• 1488[11:14:21] <sidharath> How did you download your build, babilen?
• 1489[11:14:30] <at0m> ,v irssi
• 1490[11:14:30] <babilen> I have not tried the torrents - Curious that you could (if they were working) download those, but wouldn't be able to access the ISOs directly via https
• 1491[11:14:31] <judd> Package: irssi on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.15-5; wheezy-security: 0.8.15-5+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1; jessie: 0.8.17-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.0.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.2-1; sid: 1.0.2-1
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• 1494[11:15:26] <sidharath> Isn`t there a repo on cdimage for stretch dvd iso regular downloads?
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• 1496[11:17:01] <babilen> sidharath: replaced-url
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• 1502[11:19:04] <sidharath> babilen: I have a 15 kbps connection, so torrents are really all I can use...
• 1503[11:20:15] <babilen> sidharath: That's okay, but wasn't that what you were asking about? ("Isn`t there a repo on cdimage for stretch dvd iso regular downloads?")
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• 1505[11:20:19] <shtrb> sidharath, check jidgo
• 1506[11:20:36] <themill> downloading packages on a DVD that you won't use might be a poor move, then
• 1507[11:20:36] <sidharath> shtrb, the whole link please...
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• 1510[11:21:45] <shtrb> replaced-url
• 1511[11:21:52] <sidharath> babilen: Yes, I assumed that`s where you downloaded your iso?
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• 1514[11:22:41] <sidharath> shrtb: Thanks, and jigdo contains DVD or CD or Live? Because I have UEFI...
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• 1516[11:23:03] <shtrb> DVD or CD , I don't debian live exist in this days
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• 1519[11:23:38] <sidharath> Ok, Ill try it , thanks....
• 1520[11:23:50] <shtrb> jigdo is another option to bt
• 1521[11:24:13] <sidharath> Jigdo hosts which version>
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• 1523[11:24:49] <shtrb> stable+testing
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• 1526[11:27:21] <shtrb> you can also use rsync to gain the isos ( rsync://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/) but I don't know how it will behave on a 15kbps link
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• 1528[11:27:46] <smusiIand> Is there an option in ext4magic to recover only one dir i.e. /etc
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• 1586[12:15:06] <hahainternet> i have a chroot, i have a preseed, i'd like to run the portions of the installer that are relevant to a chroot (ie package installation and system configuration) using this preseed, can I?
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• 1623[12:38:27] <markand> gnome-software is so useless to me, gnome-packagekit is definitely more useful
• 1624[12:38:36] <enkrypt> I've got a Thinkpad T560 laptop with an intel GPU. The screen brightness hotkeys work fine when in gnome, but they don't when in openbox. any idea what I'm missing?
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• 1630[12:40:24] <markand> enkrypt, GNOME registers the X key events
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• 1632[12:40:40] <markand> you need to binds your key to adjust the brightness
• 1633[12:41:29] <enkrypt> markand: and bind them to what? xbacklight doesn't work
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• 1641[12:44:20] <BluesKaj> Greetings all
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• 1646[12:46:13] <markand> enkrypt, there are some tools for that
• 1647[12:46:16] <markand> I have written one
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• 1652[12:47:45] <markand> been a while since I used it for the last time though: replaced-url
• 1653[12:48:09] <markand> replaced-url
• 1654[12:49:26] <teraflops> enkrypt: you want help? doesnt works as a description is not helpful at all. share exact error outputs, also which debian release, which GPU and, if intel igpu, whether youre using xf86 video driver or modesetting
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• 1661[12:52:50] <markand> he is just talking about the screen brightness
• 1662[12:53:24] <markand> and GNOME uses the keyboard bindings (something like XF86BrightnessUp or something like that) to adjust the brightness
• 1663[12:53:43] <teraflops> markand: are you talking from him?
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• 1666[12:54:41] <teraflops> then why xbacklight isn't working? do you know who did he run xbacklight too?
• 1667[12:55:48] <teraflops> s/who/how
• 1668[12:55:59] <markand> no but I understand exactly what he said
• 1669[12:56:20] <markand> and personally, I never found xbacklight working on any laptop I had (from HP to Lenovo)
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• 1673[12:57:11] <teraflops> sometimes to have to tell the kernel the right acpi string
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• 1676[12:58:36] <teraflops> anyway is a waste of time since they did not give more detailed info, so I bail on this one
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• 1709[13:17:20] <nicechap> hello, I am running the Debian 9 on my laptop. I am nervous about any possible future harddisk failures. What do I need to do in order to be able to recreate and run an identical copy of my system in case of such an event?
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• 1711[13:17:54] <nicechap> basically, I am not very familiar with backup options available for debian
• 1712[13:18:15] <nicechap> I just would like to be able to rebuild a running system with minimal effort in such an event
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• 1714[13:20:00] <markand> at boot I have a unit that emit a warning, how can I show it ? systemctl list-units --failed does not it
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• 1731[13:28:23] <BluesKaj> nicechap, clonezilla comes to mind
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• 1733[13:30:03] <nicechap> BluesKaj: I will look for its docs, thanks!
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• 1735[13:31:13] <FMS> cloak
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• 1737[13:32:10] <BluesKaj> !cloak | FMS
• 1738[13:32:43] <BluesKaj> FMS, try the #freenode chat , ask there
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• 1742[13:34:35] <nicechap> BluesKaj: say, my current HDD is 250Gb and 90% of it freespace. Do you think I could back it up on a small USB memory stick?
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• 1744[13:35:07] <nicechap> (and then later a new 250 Gb HDD and restore the backup onto that from the USB memory?)
• 1745[13:35:20] <nicechap> -and then later buy a new 250Gb ...
• 1746[13:35:31] <BluesKaj> nicechap, yes, that should work
• 1747[13:36:01] <nicechap> I am just not sure if the backup medium (i.e. USB memory would have to be as big as the current HDD)
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• 1749[13:36:53] <BluesKaj> nicechap, why are you concerned about your HDD , do you think it's failing, if so smart tools can give some indications
• 1750[13:37:16] <nicechap> BluesKaj: it is just that I have so many configs etc, bit paranoid
• 1751[13:37:48] <nicechap> nothing causing trouble at the moment, just a contingency plan
• 1752[13:39:17] <BluesKaj> nicechap resize your OS partition to reasonable size like 50-60gb if you're worried
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• 1758[13:41:12] <BluesKaj> nicechap, read up about lonezilla , think it's very accomodating and flexible partition wise
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• 1764[13:45:54] <nicechap> yeh, looks very good really
• 1765[13:46:12] <nicechap> I will give it a go, I guess starting with a usb memory stick order..
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• 1767[13:46:37] <nicechap> cheers BluesKaj
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• 1771[13:49:47] <at0m> BluesKaj: tbh smart tools reports seem to make zero sense in my experience
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• 1773[13:50:32] <at0m> some disks that reports 'immediate failure' keep running for years after, others failed without any warning
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• 1775[13:50:53] <at0m> must be some voodoo magic
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• 1780[13:54:24] <nicechap> if ( rand() > 0.5 ) { print 'immediate failure' } else { print '' }
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• 1782[13:54:36] <at0m> see, magic!
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• 1787[13:57:10] <nicechap> at0m: the source code above is copyright, please ask for a license before using it in non-free software
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• 1819[14:16:22] <louisdk> If I have a basic server mainly running SSH would it be safe to upgrade directly from v. 6 -> 9?
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• 1823[14:17:32] <eugenmayer> can i define 2 gateways, the second one is only used if the first one is down?
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• 1851[14:36:35] <AbstractLion> Hello
• 1852[14:37:23] <bionix> hi
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• 1854[14:38:05] <AbstractLion> Does the difference between linux and windows mean anything else besides bytes on a magnetic hardware?
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• 1865[14:40:34] <eugenmayer> AbstractLion: nice try :)
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• 1867[14:40:57] <jelly> AbstractLion: there is no software. There are only states of hardware.
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• 1870[14:41:11] <AbstractLion> Nice try?
• 1871[14:41:20] <cdb23ax> hello a question iam running symantec endpoint protection on my headless debian apache2 server
• 1872[14:41:26] <jelly> AbstractLion: now. do you have a debian support question?
• 1873[14:41:30] <AbstractLion> eugenmayer: ?
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• 1876[14:41:43] <AbstractLion> Nah basically im just trying to figure out why microsoft doesnt opensource windows
• 1877[14:42:00] <cdb23ax> anyone using symantec as a av on debian?
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• 1879[14:42:07] <jelly> AbstractLion: wrong channel for that
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• 1881[14:42:25] <AbstractLion> You guys already know why you opensource stuff
• 1882[14:42:29] <AbstractLion> Why do they not?
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• 1884[14:43:20] <cdb23ax> i sucessfully installed symantec endpoint protection with auto protection feature but it deletes my eicar testvirus too late
• 1885[14:43:28] <jelly> AbstractLion: try ##chat, or #debian-offtopic, we use this channel for actual tech support issues
• 1886[14:43:37] <AbstractLion> Alright sorry
• 1887[14:43:40] <cdb23ax> everyday on midnight where the manual scan runs the file is deleted
• 1888[14:43:45] <AbstractLion> its a philosophical question that needs adressing tho
• 1889[14:44:14] <eugenmayer> AbstractLion: they use your skills, pick google and find the 3 fantastrillardedn discussions about that
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• 1894[14:44:29] <eugenmayer> so you do not feel very special having started this discussion.
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• 1896[14:44:44] <AbstractLion> Alright friend
• 1897[14:44:54] <AbstractLion> Thank you
• 1898[14:45:08] <AbstractLion> I do feel special tho
• 1899[14:45:20] <eugenmayer> replaced-url
• 1900[14:45:30] <jelly> cdb23ax: you'll probably want to ask the vendor about it
• 1901[14:45:54] <AbstractLion> Did you ever think about the question yourself or are you just regurgitating shit?
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• 1907[14:46:59] <jelly> cdb23ax: or their documentation, if Debian is a supported platform, there may be additional configuration steps required to enable their real-time features?
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• 1911[14:47:32] <eugenmayer> jelly: was to be expect - that escalated quickly :)
• 1912[14:47:49] <jelly> I'm surprised they managed to behave that long
• 1913[14:48:26] <talin> hello. what is the best way to get a newer version of some software than what is currently in debian 8.8
• 1914[14:48:44] <centrx> !backports
• 1915[14:48:44] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 1917[14:49:27] <eugenmayer> talin: in addition, sometimes you have vendor channels. E.g. for nginx, docker and more. But if backports already give you what you need, always pick it firsth
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• 1919[14:50:26] <eugenmayer> is there anything like this in linux ( particular debian 8 ): If you can reach this gateway, use it as default, if not, use this one?
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• 1924[14:52:33] <eugenmayer> i am reading about iproute2 having 2 gateways, but actually i would like to have this like a gateway-monitor or something
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• 1930[14:55:21] <talin> eugenmayer: thank you
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• 1935[14:57:07] <squarecube> for what reason is hexchat used?
• 1936[14:57:19] <Bliepo> To chat
• 1937[14:57:21] <squarecube> im new to it...
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• 1939[14:58:11] <squarecube> so how do i connect to my friends?
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• 1943[14:59:13] <babilen> squarecube: Which friends?
• 1944[14:59:25] <squarecube> any friends
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• 1946[14:59:41] <Bliepo> squarecube: what software do they use?
• 1947[14:59:46] <babilen> dpkg: tell squarecube -about irc tutorial
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• 1951[15:00:27] <squarecube> dont know
• 1952[15:00:29] <Bliepo> I think squarecube is actually looking for something like an XMP agent
• 1953[15:00:38] <BluesKaj> hexchat isn't an IM
• 1954[15:00:47] <squarecube> i have never used this before
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• 1956[15:00:49] <babilen> squarecube: You might want to familiarise with IRC by reading the tutorial our bot just told you about. Please note that this is a technical support channel for Debian users and that 'chat' usually happens elsewhere. (e.g. #debian-offtopic)
• 1957[15:01:22] <squarecube> ok
• 1958[15:01:38] <babilen> And it does indeed sound as if you are rather looking for an instant messenger client such as pidgin
• 1959[15:02:13] <babilen> (which is geared towards connecting with 'friends' and two person conversations)
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• 1962[15:02:42] <babilen> squarecube: Do you use Debian?
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• 1966[15:03:00] <wr> how can i make debian jessie to autologin and lock screen?
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• 1972[15:05:16] <BluesKaj> squarecube, why are you here, this is debian support , try #kali-linux
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• 1980[15:07:27] <markand> I hope the installer will propose systemd-boot instead of grub one day
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• 1983[15:08:44] <babilen> markand: You might want to help systemd implement that then. Try #systemd
• 1984[15:09:17] <markand> why systemd should implement that in the debian installer ?
• 1985[15:09:24] <markand> they won't do it for every distro on earth :P
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• 1988[15:10:09] <babilen> markand: You said that you hope that systemd-boot (whatever that is) could be used to replace grub one day. If you want that to happen you might consider helping the systemd people.
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• 1990[15:10:23] <markand> in the debian installer yes
• 1991[15:10:30] <markand> antergos propose grub or systemd-boot
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• 1994[15:11:32] <babilen> Ah, looks as if it exists already. You can file a bug against the installer or help the installer people to integrate it if that is considered to be a good idea
• 1995[15:11:53] <markand> I'll have a look, I could write it myself as well
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• 2011[15:23:22] <teraflops> babilen: gummiboot is already in jessie, not an option on the installer iirc. but you can use it. I do already in a couple of machines
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• 2014[15:25:10] <babilen> teraflops: Yeah, I came across gummiboot (but never used it), but wasn't familiar with systemd-boot
• 2015[15:25:28] <teraflops> babilen: it's the same
• 2016[15:26:03] <teraflops> markand: that's why I do not use debian installer. you can only pick the options they implement
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• 2020[15:26:45] <teraflops> I mean, I prefer doing debootstrap
• 2021[15:26:45] <markand> teraflops, you use debootstrap ?
• 2022[15:26:48] <teraflops> yep
• 2023[15:26:48] <markand> :))
• 2024[15:27:09] <markand> but I read that upgrades won't work if /boot is vfat
• 2025[15:27:15] <markand> teraflops, do you use systemd-boot ?
• 2026[15:27:35] <teraflops> I do gummiboot on a couple of machines, yes
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• 2029[15:27:47] <babilen> That's a very German name btw
• 2030[15:27:54] <markand> do you have a /boot and /boot/efi partition ?
• 2031[15:27:55] <teraflops> markand: I never had issues
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• 2033[15:28:38] <teraflops> markand: debian prefers them in fixed location, same with grub
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• 2035[15:29:17] <teraflops> nothing stops you changing the patch but then, shit happens unless you run it by hand
• 2036[15:29:23] <teraflops> path^
• 2037[15:29:54] <teraflops> hmm, I think I have something
• 2038[15:30:27] <markand> what live image do you use to debootstrap? the rescue shell?
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• 2041[15:31:50] <teraflops> markand: heh, I use the archiso with the debian stuff I need
• 2042[15:32:56] <teraflops> archlinux live iso I mean
• 2043[15:33:59] <teraflops> markand: hmm, this way never went south for me, replaced-url
• 2044[15:34:41] <teraflops> you have to generate the menu by hand, but for systemd-boot is the way to go
• 2045[15:35:44] <markand> I'm trying at the moment with debootstrap
• 2046[15:36:03] <markand> yeah, we need an update-systemd-boot as well :p
• 2047[15:36:09] <markand> when new kernels are upgraded
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• 2049[15:37:29] <teraflops> markand: right ;)
• 2050[15:37:30] <markand> I just don't understand why some people mount the EFI partition to /boot/efi and some do on /boot
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• 2052[15:38:25] <teraflops> markand: you can, but then I think updating systemd-boot postinstall scripts may fail on debian machines
• 2053[15:38:57] <markand> so it's definitely better to mount on /boot/efi ?
• 2054[15:39:04] <teraflops> not sure though, I do not have etch machines in production
• 2055[15:39:11] <teraflops> stretch^
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• 2057[15:40:13] <markand> okay
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• 2062[15:41:56] <teraflops> markand: I guess the same if you mount efi for grub in arbitrary location and you run update-grub, not sure though
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• 2067[15:44:10] <Kobaz> # apt-get install hplip The following NEW packages will be installed: hplip libpam-systemd policykit-1 printer-driver-postscript-hp systemd
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• 2069[15:44:18] <Kobaz> why? why does hp printer drivers need systemd?
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• 2072[15:44:35] <donofrio_> anyone know what channel I'd goto for #Sapphire (java class) folks would be?
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• 2083[15:48:07] <markand> teraflops, but we are okay to say that you must copy kernel and initrd to /boot/efi as well? because systemd-boot will be unable to find them if not
• 2084[15:49:02] <teraflops> markand: just mount the esp to /boof/efi and you'll be fine
• 2085[15:49:22] <teraflops> boot^
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• 2104[15:54:40] <datasmurf> Hi, i tried to install lightdm but during the installation my box went out of disk space. Seems that it ain't a easy task to get deps fixed with dpkg. dpkg just wants to install more pkgs to fix the broken deps. What a mess....
• 2105[15:55:04] <seion> I am having the most difficult time install a few libs in Debian 8.8 -- I am trying to install libleveldb-dev and libboost-all-dev and keep getting met with un-met dependencies errors on both...
• 2106[15:55:41] <awal1> datasmurf, try ignoring recommended pkgs
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• 2108[15:56:56] <donofrio_> anyone do java web developement here know what channel sapphire folks are at?
• 2109[15:57:54] <somiaj> datasmurf: dpkg can't really fix issues, use apt. apt-get -f install (provided you fixed your issue with the not enough space)
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• 2112[15:58:13] <somiaj> !bat
• 2113[15:58:13] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2115[15:58:27] <somiaj> seion: ^^ please post the above info about the packages you are having trouble with.
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• 2120[15:59:27] <glick> hey why is it that when i use gnupg i get a dialog box that asks for my passphrase
• 2121[15:59:35] <glick> cant i keep it all on the commandline?
• 2122[15:59:40] <glick> thats what im used to
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• 2125[16:00:04] <somiaj> you know that all command line commands are logged, this could log your passphrase in plain text.
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• 2127[16:00:46] <glick> what if i wasnt running a window manager?
• 2128[16:00:51] <glick> what then?
• 2129[16:01:06] <datasmurf> glick: i think you have to symlnk /usr/bin/pinentry to /usr/bin/pinentry-tty or remove that - iirc
• 2130[16:01:08] <at0m> ~/.bash_history ?
• 2131[16:01:08] <eugenmayer> is it possible to configure SSHD connection rules per interface?
• 2132[16:01:15] <somiaj> it might be some package you have installed, it should give you a prompt in the command line. It shoudln't require xorg.
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• 2134[16:01:38] <somiaj> oh yea pinentry is the name, it has various packages to give gui vs console place to enter in pass phrases
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• 2136[16:02:00] <datasmurf> df -h
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• 2138[16:02:06] <datasmurf> upps, sorry
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• 2148[16:06:28] <markand> okay it works :)
• 2149[16:06:40] <markand> funny, the machine does not shut down on ACPI signal
• 2150[16:06:45] <markand> I wonder what I miss
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• 2154[16:08:09] <seion> I am having the most difficult time install a few libs in Debian 8.8 -- I am trying to install libleveldb-dev and libboost-all-dev and keep getting met with un-met dependencies errors on both... -- libleveldb-dev outputs replaced-url
• 2155[16:08:33] <teraflops> markand: debootstrap? I think you missed some packages
• 2156[16:08:41] <markand> teraflops, yep
• 2157[16:08:46] <markand> I install gnome-core now
• 2158[16:09:17] <markand> I also need to check which flag to put in /etc/fstab to get fsck running on hard shutdown
• 2159[16:09:24] <markand> it says that my FAT partition is not clean
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• 2167[16:13:44] <rdz> hey all. how to test/dry-run unattended-upgrades? i'd like to see what packages _would_ be upgraded
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• 2170[16:14:26] <Igel> good morning #debian
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• 2173[16:15:27] <Igel> rdz i bet you can add another repo and weight it less than your typical repos selected.
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• 2185[16:20:05] <glick> why is gpg failing to generate key
• 2186[16:20:11] <glick> i keep getting this error
• 2187[16:20:15] <glick> gpg: agent_genkey failed: No such file or directory
• 2188[16:20:16] <glick> Key generation failed: No such file or directory
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• 2190[16:21:57] <rdz> Igel, i found: unattended-upgrade --dry-run
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• 2198[16:23:50] <zwamkat> glick: maybe too simple: do you have the right permissions for the directory where you want the new key generated?
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• 2200[16:24:55] <glick> zwamkat: just the default .gnupg directory in my home dir
• 2201[16:25:00] <glick> id imagine i have th eright perms for that
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• 2203[16:25:09] <Meerkat> any news when firefox-esr 52 is being released for jessie?
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• 2205[16:25:10] <zwamkat> glick: tru
• 2206[16:25:12] <zwamkat> glick: true
• 2207[16:25:46] <zwamkat> glick: do you specify the full path creating the key?
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• 2210[16:26:22] <glick> zwamkat: i just do gpg --full-gen-key
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• 2212[16:27:51] <Igel> rdz: one sec
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• 2214[16:28:23] <Igel> its under pinning
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• 2216[16:28:26] <Igel> replaced-url
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• 2218[16:28:51] <webuser5224> Does anyone know a good software for diagrams with a dynamic page size?
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• 2220[16:29:27] <zwamkat> glick: What happens if you specify --homedir and filename? Same issue?
• 2221[16:29:46] <webuser5224> In LibreOffice, I always have to manually set the page size and I'm searching for something that doesn't distract as much, where on doesn't feel enclosed by the document borders. Thanks!
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• 2223[16:29:55] <webuser5224> one*
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• 2226[16:31:09] <Igel> rdz: replaced-url
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• 2229[16:32:17] <zwamkat> glick: according to replaced-url
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• 2232[16:33:27] <seion> was aptitude removed in 8.8?
• 2233[16:33:43] <greycat> no
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• 2235[16:34:48] <seion> uhg...
• 2236[16:35:03] <greycat> ,v aptitude
• 2237[16:35:04] <judd> Package: aptitude on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.6.8.2-1; jessie: 0.6.11-1+b1; stretch: 0.8.7-1; sid: 0.8.7-1
• 2238[16:35:09] <jhutchinbs_wk> Pinning is not used much these days, as mixing releases is VERY BAD.
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• 2244[16:36:56] <Igel> yeah it is
• 2245[16:37:01] <Igel> for testing though
• 2246[16:37:12] <Igel> if you did, apt upgrade -t testing -ys
• 2247[16:37:14] <seion> it got un-installed in my last dist-upgrade...
• 2248[16:37:31] <Igel> that may solve or , apt update -t testing, apt list --upgradable
• 2249[16:37:36] <markand> hmmm interesting, gdm does not list my user
• 2250[16:38:45] <seion> my apt is jacked
• 2251[16:38:54] <markand> I don't have aptitude on stretch
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• 2253[16:39:22] <seion> so its being removed?
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• 2259[16:43:19] <greycat> It's not being removed. If you want it, install it.
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• 2297[17:00:57] <drupi> hi. i'm trying to install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf but I get a message that it cannot be installed. it says it depends on gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf which is not installable. how come? do I need to be on an "arm" machine to do so?
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• 2299[17:01:30] <nix64bit> yes
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• 2302[17:02:05] <drupi> ok thanks
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• 2310[17:03:20] <jhutchinbs_wk> Cross-platform compiling is something I should learn about some day.
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• 2312[17:03:30] <tw> I don't actually think you do. I can install that just fine on amd64 and it properly picks up cross-tools.
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• 2316[17:05:57] <nix64bit> isnt it a mission to setup a cross compiler?
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• 2323[17:07:58] <tw> Depends on if you know what you actually want vs just trying to figure it out the first time. Like do you really know the difference between gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf vs gnueabi vs arm-none-eabi?
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• 2326[17:08:28] <tw> And do you need more than one of these? (usually yes)
• 2327[17:08:32] <nix64bit> I tried to setup a cross compiler for the rpi and it was a mission
• 2328[17:08:56] <tw> there are precompiled binaries by a number of vendors (inc debian's cross-tools).
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• 2331[17:09:20] <nix64bit> that sounds useful
• 2332[17:09:32] <tw> If you are building them yourself, it's like bootstrapping gentoo twice.
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• 2334[17:09:41] <nix64bit> it was easier to compile on the device
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• 2336[17:10:35] <tw> I suggest mounting the disk image in qemu-user-arm backed by a ssd. Your builds will go craptons faster, even with the instruction conversions.
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• 2342[17:11:14] <nix64bit> what about docker images?
• 2343[17:11:35] <tw> probably also be fine; I'm not a docker user.
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• 2352[17:17:20] <nix64bit> drupi: ^ ^ it is possible but you need a cross compiler or container yes is not accurate sorry
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• 2354[17:19:11] <drupi> nix64bit: so i should install/boot into an arm-debian qemu image, then compile?
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• 2358[17:21:13] <nix64bit> drupi: tw: has experience - i never had any good experience with qemu
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• 2364[17:24:35] <seion> Having issues installing a few libs in Debian 8.8 -- I am trying to install libleveldb-dev and libboost-all-dev and keep getting met with un-met dependencies errors on both... -- libleveldb-dev outputs replaced-url
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• 2366[17:24:50] <greycat> !bat
• 2367[17:24:50] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2369[17:25:19] <jelly> ,v libleveldb-dev
• 2370[17:25:20] <judd> Package: libleveldb-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 0+20120530.gitdd0d562-1; wheezy-backports: 1.17-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.17-1; jessie-backports: 1.18-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.18-5; sid: 1.19-2
• 2371[17:25:22] <greycat> Most likely you have/had the debian multimedia sources at some point, and have installed packages from there, and these are breaking shit.
• 2372[17:25:25] <drupi> tw: could you give me hint how to get armhf-debian running on qemu?
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• 2374[17:26:22] <jelly> seion: you're mixing deb repo lines for unstable and stable(jessie), this is absolutely unsupported
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• 2376[17:26:46] <seion> jelly: what do you mean?
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• 2378[17:27:29] <seion> jelly: I removed the unstable lines from sources.list.d but still get same errors
• 2379[17:27:46] <tw> drupi: you already have a disk image or you have to bootstrap? Because the latter is more than I can briefly describe. replaced-url
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• 2381[17:28:08] <jelly> seion: if you'd previously installed anything from unstable, your installation is now a mess
• 2382[17:28:20] <seion> :/
• 2383[17:28:24] <jelly> seion: the safest move is reinstall
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• 2385[17:28:33] <jelly> and Don't Do That
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• 2387[17:28:40] <rdz> how can i enable backports for unattended-upgrades?
• 2388[17:28:56] <seion> jelly: what about just upgrading everything to unstable?
• 2389[17:29:15] <glick> is anyone here well versed in gpg?
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• 2391[17:29:18] <tw> drupi: If you need to build a complete install, debootstrap + qemu-user: replaced-url
• 2392[17:29:22] <greycat> seion: you could upgrade to stretch, probably.
• 2393[17:29:25] <jelly> seion: that may be an option, but then you're on your own and this channel won't help you further
• 2394[17:29:28] <glick> i created a key pair
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• 2396[17:29:33] <glick> and added a second UID to a key
• 2397[17:29:45] <glick> now im trying to export the pubic key with THAT particular UID
• 2398[17:29:52] <glick> they both have the same email address
• 2399[17:29:57] <jelly> seion: unstable is going to become a very bumpy ride, very soon, right after stretch is released
• 2400[17:29:57] <glick> but different uids
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• 2403[17:30:30] <drupi> tw: well, i just started with qemu a few days ago. I managed to debian install going (using a debian iso to boot and install). there is no iso for armhf like that, is there?
• 2404[17:30:42] <jelly> seion: unless your main goal is helping to fix bugs in debian, you probably don't want to run unstable
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• 2406[17:30:54] <seion> ok
• 2407[17:30:57] <ntz> hello
• 2408[17:31:04] <seion> I guess ill look into doing a fresh install
• 2409[17:31:31] <jelly> seion: nod. Do not add repos for anything newer than your target release.
• 2410[17:32:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1715
• 2411[17:32:12] <seion> I added the repo do install one lib manually, and I thought I set the priority of unstable to very low
• 2412[17:32:24] <jelly> if that's stretch, don't add buster or unstable. If that's jessie, don't add stretch (or buster) or unstable to it. Priorities won't help you.
• 2413[17:32:27] <tw> drupi: because of the way ARM boards currently work, you don't really get a BIOS, so you have few practical ways of discovering board resources. That makes a generic ISO really hard.
• 2414[17:32:35] <seion> meaning unless I specifically told it to use unstable, it would not use unstable
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• 2416[17:32:39] <tw> So no, it doesn't exist.
• 2417[17:32:54] <jelly> seion: doesn't work that way due to dependencies.
• 2418[17:33:05] <seion> ok
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• 2422[17:33:13] <jelly> more stuff than you wanted gets installed easily, and then you have a mess
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• 2426[17:33:37] <ntz> pff, I wanted to ask for something that I've already resolved ....
• 2427[17:33:53] <ntz> so adieu ladies and gentlemans !!!
• 2428[17:34:06] <jelly> seion: if you're 100% just one single library package got installed from unstable, you can remove unstable repos, run apt-get update, then remove that package.
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• 2430[17:34:14] <jelly> seion: see /msg dpkg partial downgrade
• 2431[17:34:27] <seion> thanks
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• 2434[17:35:13] <seion> aptitude got uninstalled and now when I try to install it, I get un-met dep also...
• 2435[17:35:17] <seion> so that may not work either
• 2436[17:35:28] <seion> ill just look into a fresh install, will be a bit of work but :/
• 2437[17:35:39] <jelly> a lesson is learned
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• 2439[17:35:44] <seion> yup
• 2440[17:35:46] <vfoley> I received a new laptop yesterday (Thinkpad T470); the Jessie net installer doesn't recognize the ethernet card. What are my options at that point?
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• 2442[17:36:22] <jelly> vfoley: try the jessie installer image with firmware first, /msg dpkg firmware images
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• 2444[17:36:47] <jelly> but other hardware on that machine may need newer drivers than what's in jessie, too, not just ethernet
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• 2446[17:37:00] <jelly> vfoley: so you might as well install stretch
• 2447[17:37:01] <vfoley> jelly: is it "regular" Jessie, but with extra drivers and firmware?
• 2448[17:37:12] <jelly> just extra firmware, nothing more
• 2449[17:37:17] <vfoley> jelly: is there an installer for stretch at this point?
• 2450[17:37:21] <jelly> yes
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• 2453[17:37:43] <jelly> (there's a release candidate)
• 2454[17:37:48] <greycat> !install stretech
• 2455[17:37:53] <greycat> !install stretch
• 2456[17:37:53] <dpkg> The best way to install Debian 9 "Stretch" is probably using the current release candidate of the installer images. replaced-url
• 2457[17:38:21] <vfoley> Thanks gyus
• 2458[17:38:26] <jelly> it's a laptop. Better point them to firmware images right away
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• 2461[17:39:21] <jelly> vfoley: replaced-url
• 2462[17:39:31] <jelly> (-> amd64 -> iso-cd, or whatever)
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• 2464[17:40:04] <jelly> !firmware images
• 2465[17:40:04] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 2477[17:44:44] <awal1> upgraded jessie to stretch and systemctl reboot (or just reboot) and shutdown -r now won't work; I had to do reisub. is that a known bug?
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• 2481[17:47:11] <jelly> awal1: wfm. any more details?
• 2482[17:47:16] <jelly> !doesn't work
• 2483[17:47:16] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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• 2487[17:47:51] <jelly> anything in logs/journal?
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• 2490[17:48:38] <awal1> jelly, no, nothing
• 2491[17:48:41] <nix64bit> !dpkg
• 2492[17:48:41] <dpkg> methinks dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
• 2493[17:49:05] <nix64bit> !dpkgbot
• 2494[17:49:05] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
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• 2496[17:49:27] <nix64bit> !search dpkg
• 2497[17:49:28] <dpkg> You can search my database on the web at replaced-url
• 2498[17:49:51] <nix64bit> !nice bot
• 2499[17:49:52] <dpkg> Thanks! Meet me in #debian-offtopic where I can pat _your_ tush?
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• 2536[18:06:19] <Dreaman> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.0 :)
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• 2575[18:25:36] <CrowX-> is there a solution like sshfs without the overhead of ssh?
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• 2577[18:25:53] <CrowX-> to mount a drive over network, but without encryption
• 2578[18:26:39] <fnljk> hi. if I rent a VPS-server from a webhost who use XEN (virtualization software) and want to make an encrypted file-container with some portable (I hope can be so, atleast) apps to run there, which packages could I install on it to be able to mount it on-demand? After mounting it should keep running until told not to (however), or system reboot/shutdown, requiring mounting & pass at boot again.
• 2579[18:28:13] <fnljk> ...unsure if this would help much (in regards to potential snooping by host/hackers/others.. ) if they were to get physical (or even FS) access while its mounted anyway.. other suggestions welcome as well .. :)
• 2580[18:28:50] <th0r> CrowX-, without encryption?....samba maybe?
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• 2585[18:31:05] <centrx> CrowX-: There's not much overhead with ssh or encryption
• 2586[18:31:08] <centrx> CrowX-: It's like 5%
• 2587[18:31:12] <CrowX-> I see
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• 2589[18:31:24] <centrx> CrowX-: actually, might be 0% because the CPU is always going to be faster than the hard drive
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• 2600[18:35:10] <fnljk> Hey, I often use "apt-cache search SearchString | more" to search for packages... is there a simple way someone can tell me that I can use wildcard-operator (anything / * ) in SerarchString if I want to search a package's name/description for,assuming * would work as wildcard, like this*andthis ( "apt-cache search this*andthis | more" -- that doesn't work..)
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• 2602[18:35:49] <fnljk> like "this" being in the first part of its name/description, and "andthis" would be in the latter part
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• 2604[18:36:23] <fnljk> or some way to use regular expressions there and eventually how a newb to regexps could figure how to do something like that then..
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• 2610[18:41:57] <jelly> fnljk: apt-cache search this andthis # can be good enough
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• 2620[18:44:21] <fnljk> jelly: oh.. really. ..cool!:P Thanks, will try
• 2621[18:45:21] <fnljk> Maybe not, but... anyone can guesstimate the release of Deb 9 .. ? maybe in a month, three months...? ...not as much as 6 months or more possibly, or..? hmm.
• 2622[18:45:48] <Dreaman> 18
• 2623[18:45:53] <Dreaman> i use
• 2624[18:46:03] <fnljk> And also anyway, having Deb8 , if it'd potentially be a hassle to upgrade from Deb8 to Deb9 then (assuming lots of various software already installed n stuff..) ?
• 2625[18:46:05] <fnljk> 18 what
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• 2628[18:46:25] <Dreaman> ikolov@debian-ivan:~$ inxi -F
• 2629[18:46:25] <Dreaman> System: Host: debian-ivan Kernel: 4.9.0-3-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
• 2630[18:46:25] <Dreaman> Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
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• 2633[18:46:32] <Dreaman> 18 is final
• 2634[18:46:39] <Dreaman> may be
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• 2640[18:47:01] <fnljk> Hm. Sorry, not sure I understand what you mean... (I'm quite newb to nix in general mind you..-sry =s )
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• 2642[18:47:16] <Dreaman> ok
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• 2645[18:47:53] <fnljk> I'd only like to get onto it once it's fully released in stable form I think.. hmh.
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• 2649[18:49:14] <jelly> fnljk: there's a tentative release date in the topic of this channel.
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• 2651[18:49:30] <jelly> /topic
• 2652[18:49:39] <Dreaman> replaced-url
• 2653[18:49:40] <jelly> you also saw that when you joined the channel
• 2654[18:49:51] <fnljk> Oh! Sorry, I didn't notice.. :s Thanks!
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• 2658[18:51:42] <fnljk> For sake of full-disk backup, with encryption in-transit and also encrypted storage on the external backup server (in LAN, possibly it then transferring to an off-site server as well) .. any common smart solutions to recommend...? Id prolly wanna use multiple different solutions, nested- or compartmentalized encrypted containers.. something to automatically scheduled start imaging of a disk, s
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• 2660[18:52:32] <fnljk> ..send encrypted at a certain time when the receiving (backup-holding box) has enabled access as such,and mounted a container to keep the backup where it'd close/dismount it after..
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• 2662[18:52:58] <fnljk> "Bacula" - I've read is "enterprise-grade open-source backup software" -- anyone used this.. good stuff?
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• 2666[18:54:36] <fnljk> I'd hope to somehow eventually be able to schedule imaging or full-disk copy/transfer to an other box in the LAN, encryped in-transit and encrypted most/all the time too, besides (as required then, I'd think) when it's receiving the transferred backup...
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• 2671[18:55:43] <fnljk> hoping to withstand ransomware-tampering, hackers , or possibly even ones with physical access , from penetrating the backup-box. Would likely cut internet access during this LAN-only backup operation.
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• 2704[19:15:46] <spacebug^> does 'Intel HD 4600' graphics work with Jessie?
• 2705[19:15:54] <spacebug^> without backports that is..
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• 2709[19:17:44] <greycat> spacebug^: start with lspci -nn | grep VGA
• 2710[19:19:23] <spacebug^> replaced-url
• 2711[19:19:56] <greycat> you don't need a paste site for 2 lines :-/
• 2712[19:20:13] <spacebug^> hehe sorry, just used to :)
• 2713[19:20:31] <greycat> OK, this looks like one of those combo Intel+NVidia things... what was it, bumblebee?
• 2714[19:20:34] <spacebug^> anyway, I know it's an Intel i7 with HD 4600
• 2715[19:20:39] <greycat> !bumblebee
• 2716[19:20:40] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
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• 2718[19:21:05] <spacebug^> I'm currently using NVIDIA, will get rid of that and only use GPU in CPU to be able ti use just free software
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• 2720[19:21:27] <spacebug^> s/ti/to/
• 2721[19:21:54] <spacebug^> just not sure if 4600 support is added to Jessie or if it needs Stretch
• 2722[19:22:04] <greycat> I'd do whatever replaced-url
• 2723[19:22:12] <spacebug^> hum ok, thanks
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• 2726[19:23:04] <spacebug^> seems to be some sort of NVIDIA support thing.. not really what I was looking for. Anyway
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• 2729[19:23:50] <jelly> spacebug^: do you already have debian installed?
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• 2734[19:24:41] <jelly> spacebug^: which intel cpu model is this?
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• 2739[19:25:37] <jorb> so whats the deal with update-flashplugin-nonfree, am i doing something wrong ? always getting this 404 from the people.debian.org/~bartm/ url.
• 2740[19:25:40] <spacebug^> jelly: Yes. And using NVIDIA and everything works great. I'm just about to take out the NVIDIA card and only use the integrated HD 4600 for graphics instead, hence the question, will Jessie support that or should I wait for Stretch
• 2741[19:25:58] <spacebug^> Intel® Core™ i7-4790S CPU @ 3.20GHz × 8
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• 2746[19:26:47] <greycat> jorb: the package is known to be broken. Just download it directly from adobe's web site and install it manually.
• 2747[19:27:03] <yrkurgsuk> replaced-url
• 2748[19:27:05] <GumShoe> I have an older HP tx2000 notebook. I've succesfully installed debian 9 stretch on it. I added some non-free software to get wireless going too. Today I'm trying to add an additional monitor and extend the desktop with different resolution on the notebook and the external monitor.
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• 2751[19:27:33] <GumShoe> The detect monitor button doesn't appear to be doing anything. I'm not even sure that's it's enabled.
• 2752[19:27:46] <jorb> greycat: thx, yah i see that manual update step on the wiki page too, thx
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• 2754[19:28:04] <jorb> i think its just ~bartm's fault but w/e
• 2755[19:28:42] <GumShoe> Although bot monitrs are working, the monitor prefrences doesn't show two monitors,
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• 2758[19:29:25] <GumShoe> I'm pretty sure I did have an external monitor working with debian.
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• 2762[19:31:48] <GumShoe> I can set a higher resolution than the nb supports and it's reflected on the monitor.
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• 2770[19:35:38] <GumShoe> dmesg | grep ideo | pastebinit - replaced-url
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• 2773[19:36:38] <GumShoe> It's an ATI Radeon
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• 2786[19:44:16] <GumShoe> Funny how describing a problem in irc or on stackoverflow often prompts me to solve it myself! Found additional drivers that did the trick.
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• 2791[19:45:51] <vadimkolchev> Seems like I've done idiotic thing, lack of sleep. Just installed Nvidia driver on machine with no nvidia card (intel built-in) and gnome now shows "Something has gone wrong" not letting me to login screen. Will it be enough to just remove nvidia driver and reinstall xorg, or it is better to reinstall everything?
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• 2805[19:50:41] <inch> vadimkolchev: Try uninstalling the nvidia driver (with apt if you installed with apt or the nvidia-uninstall if you installed without apt)
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• 2808[19:51:23] <inch> Then you can try "debsums -c" to see which packages need to be reinstalled.
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• 2811[19:51:58] <vadimkolchev> inch, installed with apt, will try it, thanks
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• 2821[19:56:41] <Violinist> have u guys seen my cow
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• 2824[19:59:15] <ddybing> Hi! I want to set a password expiration date of X days when creating new users through useradd, but I am not sure what command I should use. useradd -D -e 30?
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• 2826[20:00:16] <jelly> Violinist: your cow is in #debian-offtopic
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• 2828[20:00:43] <inch> apt-get moo
• 2829[20:00:45] <greycat> ddybing: "man usermode" says that yeah, --expiredate or -e is the correct option
• 2830[20:01:24] <ddybing> Thank you. I haven't used that option before, though. Will the user be asked to create a new password when logging after expiration?
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• 2833[20:01:31] <ddybing> Or do an administrator need to unlock the account?
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• 2835[20:01:46] <greycat> -e, --expiredate EXPIRE_DATE
• 2836[20:01:47] <greycat> The date on which the user account will be disabled.
• 2837[20:01:59] <greycat> Did you want "force a password change" instead of "disable"?
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• 2840[20:02:48] <jelly> ddybing: they have to provide the old password and then change it immediately, when that happens.
• 2841[20:03:51] <ddybing> Yeah, I just got a bit confused when reading the man page. I misunderstood and thought the account was disabled, and needed attention from an administrator after the expiration.
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• 2844[20:04:25] <greycat> jelly: ... is that what they mean by "disabled"? That a password change is enforced? If so, that is very unclear.
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• 2846[20:05:23] <ddybing> OK, so am I not the only one confused then XD
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• 2851[20:06:11] <jelly> greycat: expiry is just expiry
• 2852[20:06:34] <greycat> jelly: meaning what? What HAPPENS when the clock reaches that time?
• 2853[20:06:44] <ddybing> Which means the account will be "permanently" disabled and the user cannot log in "ever again"?
• 2854[20:07:00] <jelly> disabling is a separate action, that may or may not be enforced 0, 1, more or -1 (never) days after expiry
• 2855[20:07:07] <greycat> hmm, looks like shadow(5) explains at least a little bit
• 2856[20:07:31] <jelly> yeah, those are all shadow's features
• 2857[20:08:09] <jelly> after expiry date passes, further login attempts require a password change
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• 2859[20:08:17] <ddybing> OK, so if I want an account's password to expire after X days, and to prompt the user to change their password upon logon after this expiration, what command should I use?
• 2860[20:08:31] <ddybing> Is -e/expire the right one?
• 2861[20:08:41] <jelly> that I don't remember.
• 2862[20:08:44] <greycat> ... and usermod(8) does NOT have shadow(5) in its SEE ALSO section!
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• 2864[20:09:00] <greycat> Grrr.
• 2865[20:09:24] <ddybing> OK, I think I found something. "PASS_MAX_DAYS - Maximum number of days a password may be used"
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• 2867[20:09:29] <greycat> ddybing: you will have to try it and see. It is not documented. Good luck.
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• 2870[20:09:43] <greycat> I do suggest you read shadow(5).
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• 2874[20:09:56] <ddybing> Well, thanks to both of you for your assistance :-) I will try!
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• 2879[20:12:36] <pie3> anyone used/know wireshark?
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• 2881[20:13:01] <`Kevin> sure but there is #wireshark :)
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• 2885[20:15:04] <pie3> thanks
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• 2888[20:15:54] <mgood7123> hi
• 2889[20:16:08] <mgood7123> can anyone help me install sudo
• 2890[20:16:12] <nix64bit> I am trying to stop docker containers on debian9 docker0: flags=4099<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
• 2891[20:16:17] <mgood7123> in chroot
• 2892[20:16:26] <greycat> mgood7123: type "su". then the root password. Then type "apt-get update". Then type "apt-get install sudo".
• 2893[20:16:54] <mgood7123> as i get this when i run sudo "sudo: unknown uid 0: who are you?"
• 2894[20:17:06] <nix64bit> I have gone through all the kill and stop commands
• 2895[20:17:10] <greycat> You broke your passwd file?
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• 2897[20:17:20] <greycat> what do "id root" and "id 0" say?
• 2898[20:17:43] <mgood7123> altho it is not giving me the PAM error so i guess that is a step up
• 2899[20:17:47] <nix64bit> su -
• 2900[20:17:52] <greycat> ... "the pam error"
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• 2902[20:18:10] <greycat> "So I broke the hell out of my entire login system earlier, but now I am just going to ask how to install sudo"
• 2903[20:18:17] <mgood7123> in other words this "sudo: unable to initialize PAM: No such file or directory"
• 2904[20:18:27] <greycat> What did yoU DO
• 2905[20:18:36] <mgood7123> idk ;-;
• 2906[20:18:45] <greycat> Did you remove directories inside /etc?
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• 2909[20:19:02] <greycat> Did you remove required libraries?
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• 2912[20:20:05] <mgood7123> etc does not contain passwd
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• 2915[20:21:12] <`Kevin> mgood7123: this is within the chroot correct?
• 2916[20:21:29] <mgood7123> yes
• 2917[20:21:45] <mgood7123> even when i copy my passwd into it it still gives that
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• 2919[20:21:48] <greycat> Oh, you simply didn't install Debian correctly? Redo it.
• 2920[20:21:54] <greycat> !debootstrap
• 2921[20:21:55] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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• 2924[20:22:07] <`Kevin> mgood7123: id imagine you are asking quite a bit regarding how to get sudo within a chroot (if you want a minimal chroot) otherwise debootstrap ^
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• 2927[20:22:35] <mgood7123> no, im just trying to get sudo to package properly
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• 2930[20:22:48] <greycat> You literally HAD NO /etc/passwd FILE
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• 2932[20:23:02] <greycat> There is no "just trying" when your system is THAT broken.
• 2933[20:23:12] <mgood7123> rip
• 2934[20:23:13] <nix64bit> might not have persmission
• 2935[20:23:14] <greycat> God only knows what ELSE you are missing.
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• 2939[20:23:19] <`Kevin> ^ exactly , that is way to much to walk you through for something like this
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• 2941[20:23:23] <mgood7123> ;p;
• 2942[20:23:26] <mgood7123> lol*
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• 2944[20:23:46] <nix64bit> i had something similar once
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• 2949[20:24:36] <`Kevin> use ldd, copy so files and whatever else you need for sudo.. hell copy over strace so you can see what it is hitting but thats a ton of digging and manual work if its from scratch
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• 2953[20:26:33] <mgood7123> how do i mv a folder and overwrite any existing folders without getting directory not empty
• 2954[20:26:39] <mgood7123> move*
• 2955[20:27:41] <nix64bit> replaced-url
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• 2966[20:33:55] <spacebug^> So, I have removed the NVIDIA card but I can't get more than 1024x768 resolution with Intel, even with backports. What am I doing wrong?
• 2967[20:34:03] <awal1> Is 0libdvd-pkg' what is needed for read protected dvd?
• 2968[20:34:13] <awal1> libdvd-pkg
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• 2970[20:35:13] <at0m> libdvdcss, afaik
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• 2972[20:36:05] <at0m> ,v libdvdcss
• 2973[20:36:06] <judd> No package named 'libdvdcss' was found in amd64.
• 2974[20:36:08] <at0m> ,v libdvdcss2
• 2975[20:36:09] <judd> Package: libdvdcss2 on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 1.2.13-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1.3.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1.4.0-dmo1
• 2976[20:36:32] <awal1> libdvd-pkg provides libvdvdcss2. looks all fine so
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• 2978[20:36:39] <at0m> ah, oki
• 2979[20:36:46] <awal1> :)
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• 2990[20:44:02] <new-nick> hi there, when apt-get remove iceweasel package, gnome-core (meta-package) along being to removed.
• 2991[20:44:11] <greycat> Let it.
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• 2995[20:44:58] <greycat> Unless there're *other* packages it wants to remove, besides gnome-core, that you actually care about.
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• 2997[20:45:11] <new-nick> ok, I learnt what is "transactional" package. But the meta packages do?
• 2998[20:45:17] <greycat> transitional
• 2999[20:45:40] <new-nick> The following packages will be REMOVED:
• 3000[20:45:40] <new-nick> gnome-core iceweasel
• 3001[20:45:40] <new-nick> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
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• 3004[20:46:48] <greycat> Not seeing a problem.
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• 3006[20:47:29] <new-nick> Oh yes, transitional package. last year I was removing some package and blindly typed "y" multiple times and it put me with out any desktop environment after restart. I had to reinstall Gnome all the way again
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• 3008[20:48:21] <at0m> new-nick: a meta-package depends on a bunch of other packages, here to give you gnome desktop, not the other way round. removing it will leave its depends in place.
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• 3010[20:49:10] <new-nick> at0m: thank u
• 3011[20:49:28] <new-nick> greycat: thank u again today, Grey cat
• 3012[20:50:33] <at0m> gnome-core also seems to depend on iceweasel, that's why apt wants to remove the meta-package if you remove a dependent package
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• 3017[20:51:43] <new-nick> As I was telling that I will be downloading Debian Stretch and was thinking to try other DE as Gnome getting bored look-wise. But after going though themes and Gnome shell extension, all appearance different which let me stick around Gnome.
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• 3022[20:52:49] <AlexPortable> What FTP server software would you recommend?
• 3023[20:53:27] <jelly> avoid ftp unless you're forced by policy
• 3024[20:53:31] <`Kevin> AlexPortable: are you stuck using ftp ^
• 3025[20:53:39] <AlexPortable> what do you recommend?
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• 3027[20:53:46] <verm1n> sftp
• 3028[20:53:47] <jelly> AlexPortable: sftp with chroots
• 3029[20:53:53] <greycat> Educating your clients about... that.
• 3030[20:53:56] <verm1n> you probably already run it
• 3031[20:54:03] <AlexPortable> how do i disable shell access?
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• 3033[20:54:19] <mutante> AlexPortable: one way is setting /bin/scponly as shell
• 3034[20:54:29] <jelly> NOT scp
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• 3036[20:54:34] <jelly> scp sucks
• 3037[20:54:40] <jelly> sftp.
• 3038[20:54:49] <AlexPortable> /bin/sftp ?
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• 3040[20:55:20] <greycat> it's probably in /usr/bin
• 3041[20:55:25] <jelly> all the "restricted shells for scp" are badly written and have escape-level bugs once a year at leaqst
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• 3044[20:55:48] <nix64bit> how can i kill a docker bridge visible in ifconfig - i have removed all docker containers and all references to docker and it still show>>
• 3045[20:55:52] <nix64bit> ??
• 3046[20:55:59] <new-nick> jelly: what? scp sucks ? why ? I just moving towards to scp. Even though, I don't know to use same command with host address
• 3047[20:56:12] <jelly> sftp-only accounts, with chroots, are a bit more involved to set up, but are sane
• 3048[20:56:14] <`Kevin> nix64bit: docker network rm ?
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• 3050[20:56:52] <nix64bit> `Kevin: I have purged docker comletely
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• 3052[20:56:58] <`Kevin> nix64bit: worst case scenario ip link del
• 3053[20:57:08] <greycat> new-nick: how to break scp in one easy step: scp filename remote:"/tmp/a filename with spaces"
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• 3055[20:57:17] <jelly> new-nick: it requires shell with glob expansion. It cannot handle symlinks sanely. the scp-specific shells are crap.
• 3056[20:57:39] <`Kevin> nix64bit: and/or brctl delbr
• 3057[20:57:46] <jelly> double escaping makes jelly break in hives
• 3058[20:57:48] <new-nick> jelly: r u suggesting sftp as AlexPortable is asking for ftp solution ? Or is sftp really superior/better to scp
• 3059[20:57:58] <greycat> sftp is superior to both scp AND ftp
• 3060[20:58:04] <jelly> ^^
• 3061[20:58:49] <jelly> scp feels like a quick hack, sftp is a decent file transfer protocol
• 3062[20:58:59] <greycat> s/feels like/is/
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• 3064[20:59:38] <AlexPortable> how do i swtich to a different user from commandline?
• 3065[20:59:43] <AlexPortable> su - username doens't work anymore
• 3066[20:59:51] <jelly> AlexPortable: how does it fail?
• 3067[20:59:51] <greycat> In what way did you break su?
• 3068[20:59:57] <AlexPortable> usage: -su [-1246aCfpqrv] [-B buffer_size] [-b batchfile] [-c cipher]
• 3069[21:00:02] <jelly> (it ought to work if you know their password)
• 3070[21:00:08] <spacebug^> gnome does not support transparant windows by default or some easy addon?
• 3071[21:00:12] <AlexPortable> oh wait
• 3072[21:00:14] <greycat> What did you *REALLY* type
• 3073[21:00:15] <AlexPortable> its because /usr/bin/sftp
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• 3077[21:00:30] <greycat> You gave them /usr/bin/sftp as a login shell?
• 3078[21:00:32] <AlexPortable> yes
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• 3080[21:00:34] <leachim6> nah
• 3081[21:00:35] <greycat> ... that's wrong.
• 3082[21:00:44] <AlexPortable> <mutante> AlexPortable: one way is setting /bin/scponly as shell
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• 3085[21:00:56] <AlexPortable> <jelly> NOT SCP. scp sucks. sftp.
• 3086[21:01:01] <new-nick> greycat: sounds good that sftp is superior. I recently moving to scp from ftp. So it is better for me to redirect my working method to sftp (even though I have to look into setup sft first)
• 3087[21:01:01] <jelly> AlexPortable: try reading docs for openssh instead of doing crazy stuff
• 3088[21:01:13] <leachim6> set force-command sftp-interal in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config
• 3089[21:01:14] <greycat> Well, if you wanted to prevent them from getting a shell, and also prevent su from getting a shell AS them, then you did great. You could've just used /bin/false too.
• 3090[21:01:19] <jelly> noone said "change user's login shell to sftp"
• 3091[21:01:24] <leachim6> if you wanna jail sftp users, you're gonna have a bad time that way
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• 3095[21:01:52] <AlexPortable> so /bin/false is no shell (but yes sftp)
• 3096[21:01:57] <AlexPortable> and /bin/nologin is no login at all
• 3097[21:02:06] <greycat> They are both the same thing. No shell.
• 3098[21:02:13] <leachim6> any shell will work with sftp because sshd bypasses the shell entirely
• 3099[21:02:27] <greycat> The nologin command just gives a message.
• 3100[21:02:46] <leachim6> anything that exits nonzero will work
• 3101[21:02:55] <jelly> and /bin/false is precisely what I seems to have for sftp upload accounts
• 3102[21:02:55] <leachim6> you could set their shell to /bin/yes if you were a sadist
• 3103[21:02:58] <AlexPortable> well sftp isn't working when i set it to /bin/nologin
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• 3105[21:03:14] <leachim6> AlexPortable: what have you got in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config and define "not working"
• 3106[21:03:33] <jelly> AlexPortable: there are other things to configure for a proper sftp-only setup
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• 3108[21:03:45] <AlexPortable> leachim6: Server refused our key.
• 3109[21:03:58] <leachim6> well that's an entirely different issue my friend
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• 3111[21:04:14] <leachim6> you never mentioned you were doing key-based auth with sftponly
• 3112[21:04:17] <AlexPortable> How is it entirely different when it works when I set the shell to /bin/false ?
• 3113[21:04:18] <leachim6> it's possible but needs more steps
• 3114[21:04:36] <greycat> sounds like your client is attempting a regular ssh login before an sftp login, or something
• 3115[21:04:41] <leachim6> ....then why not set the shell to /bin/false
• 3116[21:05:00] <AlexPortable> because you said any shell will work, i need some way to lock down sftp also
• 3117[21:05:02] <leachim6> false has one job, start->exit 1
• 3118[21:05:04] <AlexPortable> like to prevent users from logging in
• 3119[21:05:09] <greycat> So use the thing that works.
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• 3121[21:05:25] <AlexPortable> but /nologin is just supposed to work?
• 3122[21:05:33] <greycat> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CLIENT YOU ARE USING
• 3123[21:05:41] <AlexPortable> no idea either
• 3124[21:05:43] <greycat> except that it sure as hell is not openssh, because openssh does not give that error
• 3125[21:05:45] <AlexPortable> i can't setup everything based on 1 client
• 3126[21:05:54] <greycat> *sigh*
• 3127[21:05:57] <leachim6> ^
• 3128[21:06:02] <leachim6> ok so here's the thing
• 3129[21:06:15] <leachim6> did you try actually executing /sbin/nologin ?
• 3130[21:06:20] <leachim6> because on my debian 8 machine it doesn't exist
• 3131[21:06:20] <AlexPortable> no
• 3132[21:06:21] <jelly> AlexPortable: you can, however, test with a predictable and debuggable client
• 3133[21:06:27] <AlexPortable> jelly: like which?
• 3134[21:06:28] <greycat> leachim6: he didn't even use the right path.
• 3135[21:06:35] <greycat> He keeps using /bin/nologin instead of /sbin/nologin
• 3136[21:06:39] <jelly> AlexPortable: like the openssh one.
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• 3138[21:07:13] <greycat> He can also test with the one he's already testing with, on the grounds that it's the one his clients are using, AND SINCE HE IS LITERALLY RUNNING IT, he should ALSO know what it IS.
• 3139[21:07:15] <jelly> you, know, /usr/bin/sftp the client.
• 3140[21:07:22] <greycat> He should never be saying "I don't know what client I just used"
• 3141[21:07:42] <leachim6> if you executed /usr/bin/sftp that's the openssl sftp client
• 3142[21:07:52] <rlange> spacebug^: check out devilspie2 for gnome window transparency
• 3143[21:07:53] <AlexPortable> im on windows
• 3144[21:07:54] <AlexPortable> i use filezilla
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• 3146[21:08:04] <greycat> So you DO know what client you used.
• 3147[21:08:19] <AlexPortable> Yes but it sholdn't matter per client basis no
• 3148[21:08:21] <greycat> (The fact that you are on windows explains SO much of why you piss me off continuously.)
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• 3150[21:08:42] <leachim6> on a serious note, if shell /bin/false works, just use that
• 3151[21:09:10] <AlexPortable> What should I set it to when i want to prevent any login?
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• 3153[21:09:17] <AlexPortable> /bin/nologin or /sbin/nologin
• 3154[21:09:20] <`Kevin> AlexPortable: it does matter per client basis because each has a different implementation of what they think should be done and how to an extent
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• 3156[21:09:25] <AlexPortable> greycat: How so, how is windows related?
• 3157[21:09:34] <spacebug^> thanks rlange
• 3158[21:09:42] <leachim6> well for one if you were using the sftp client it would be easy for us to reproduce your results
• 3159[21:09:49] <leachim6> openssh sftp client that is
• 3160[21:09:57] <greycat> It drives your entire frame of mind. It means you think in certain ways. You've been trained in certain ways. These ways are antithetical to the entire unix experience.
• 3161[21:09:58] <AlexPortable> openssh is avaiable for windows?
• 3162[21:09:59] <`Kevin> AlexPortable: think of how frontend developers have to test on every browser not just one.
• 3163[21:10:17] <`Kevin> AlexPortable: clients are not identical
• 3164[21:10:19] <leachim6> AlexPortable: well sure, you can use bash on windows, msys2, cygwin, run a linux vm in virtualbox
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• 3166[21:10:26] <leachim6> I use msys2 on windows boxes
• 3167[21:10:37] <leachim6> it only takes a minute to install any gives you "normal" ssh functions
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• 3169[21:10:47] <teraflops> AlexPortable: they have native binaries
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• 3171[21:10:55] <leachim6> ^ or that
• 3172[21:11:44] <AlexPortable> its not mentioned on their website
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• 3174[21:12:12] <AlexPortable> replaced-url
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• 3179[21:13:35] <teraflops> AlexPortable: replaced-url
• 3180[21:14:11] <jelly> it is also allowed to run a sftp client on the same machine where sftp server works.
• 3181[21:14:24] <AlexPortable> thats actually interesting jelly
• 3182[21:14:29] <AlexPortable> how do i do that
• 3183[21:14:34] <greycat> "sftp localhost"
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• 3185[21:14:41] <jelly> you run the "sftp" command.
• 3186[21:14:44] <greycat> "sftp username@localhost"
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• 3188[21:15:30] <leachim6> you still haven't shown us what's in you /etc/ssh/sshd_config that is where I see the most errors when I set this up at work
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• 3191[21:16:22] <greycat> If it works with /bin/false as shell then we can probably assume his filezilla client did something other than pure SFTP protocol.
• 3192[21:16:48] <leachim6> I typically use winscp for that type of stuff in windows, it has a lot more options for how to handle ssh
• 3193[21:16:55] <leachim6> dispite the name it does sftp as well
• 3194[21:17:00] <leachim6> and can import keys from putty
• 3195[21:17:04] <AlexPortable> When its set to /sbin/nologin: Permission denied, please try again.
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• 3197[21:17:19] <greycat> So don't use that. Use what works.
• 3198[21:17:27] <leachim6> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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• 3200[21:17:31] <AlexPortable> well im also trying to block access completely
• 3201[21:17:37] <AlexPortable> nologin will block that no?
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• 3203[21:17:45] <greycat> TEST IT AND SEE
• 3204[21:17:49] <AlexPortable> i did
• 3205[21:17:54] <leachim6> the only difference between false and nologin is that nologin echoes a message
• 3206[21:17:55] <AlexPortable> but maybe it will work on different clients other
• 3207[21:17:57] <leachim6> that is it
• 3208[21:18:03] <greycat> So test those other clients toO!
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• 3210[21:18:08] <AlexPortable> i can't test 10000 clients
• 3211[21:18:17] <AlexPortable> sftp keeps working with /bin/false
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• 3213[21:18:19] <leachim6> but can you test 2 though....
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• 3217[21:18:37] <leachim6> false is just as secure as nologin, just keep it false
• 3218[21:18:52] <AlexPortable> No i mean
• 3219[21:18:57] <AlexPortable> i want to disable access completely to an user
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• 3221[21:19:02] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3222[21:19:13] <leachim6> ...then shut the machine down man!
• 3223[21:19:14] <BernhardPosselt> how do i get rid of php 5.6 and install 7.0 on stretch?
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• 3225[21:19:29] <leachim6> greycat: do you wanna tell him or should I tell him?
• 3226[21:19:32] <greycat> BernhardPosselt: install the "php" package, and optionally remove the other one
• 3227[21:19:44] <greycat> leachim6: I'm done with him for the next 864000 seconds.
• 3228[21:19:46] <BernhardPosselt> is there something like grep for installed packages?
• 3229[21:19:47] <AlexPortable> leachim6: "sorry our website is offline because someone who had sftp access before isn't allowed in anymore"
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• 3231[21:19:57] <greycat> BernhardPosselt: dpkg -l | grep php
• 3232[21:20:01] <BernhardPosselt> ty
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• 3234[21:20:04] <leachim6> AlexPortable: u w0t m8?
• 3235[21:20:10] <leachim6> AlexPortable: we're trying to hell you man, I promise
• 3236[21:20:16] <leachim6> *help, whoah
• 3237[21:20:17] <AlexPortable> you said just shutdown the machine
• 3238[21:20:31] <leachim6> admittedly that was a bit tongue-in-cheek
• 3239[21:20:44] <leachim6> AlexPortable: what do you mean when you say "disable access completely to a user"
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• 3243[21:21:14] <AlexPortable> I want to \
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• 3245[21:21:22] <AlexPortable> someone left the company
• 3246[21:21:33] <AlexPortable> i want to disallow access for him, but i want to still keep his account
• 3247[21:21:36] <leachim6> oh....why didn't you say so? just lock their account
• 3248[21:21:41] <leachim6> passwd -L
• 3249[21:21:41] <AlexPortable> lock?
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• 3251[21:21:48] <leachim6> yeah man
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• 3255[21:21:59] <leachim6> is that what this has been about this whole time?
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• 3257[21:22:04] <AlexPortable> yes
• 3258[21:22:09] <leachim6> yeah set the shell as /bin/false and lock the account
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• 3260[21:22:12] <AlexPortable> thats why i said /bin/nologin
• 3261[21:22:14] <leachim6> that's it, you're done
• 3262[21:22:31] <leachim6> it seemed like you were trying to create an sftp-only user
• 3263[21:22:35] <leachim6> it's a common request at my company
• 3264[21:22:39] <AlexPortable> I was
• 3265[21:22:45] <AlexPortable> and then also make an option to disable access completely
• 3266[21:23:26] <leachim6> yeah so, make sure to remove any public keys from $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys
• 3267[21:23:35] <leachim6> then lock the account passwd -L <user>
• 3268[21:23:45] <leachim6> then set their shell to /bin/false
• 3269[21:23:47] <leachim6> you're good2go
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• 3280[21:29:40] <Zta> I'm trying to put together a simple USB stick that basically boots and runs a Docker server and some containers. But during startup I want to detect my two (software) RAID HDDs and mount them. I'd also like them to be fsck'ed if necessary, so I assume the mount point is best placed in /etc/fstab for this to happen automatically.
• 3281[21:30:04] <leachim6> Zta: sounds like you want CoreOS
• 3282[21:30:08] <AlexPortable> so the locking is to prevent them from sftp access
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• 3284[21:30:20] <oflameo> I want to learn how to package things properly and I want to build packages for Zero-K and all of these cryptocurrcies replaced-url
• 3285[21:30:29] <AlexPortable> and the /bin/false is to prevent shell access
• 3286[21:30:42] <Zta> If my above assumptions are correct, all I need is to auto-detect the RAID and put them in /etc/madm/madm.conf and /etc/fstab early in boot.
• 3287[21:30:42] <leachim6> AlexPortable: locking the account basically disables all passowrd authentication, they'll still be able to login if they have an ssh private key that matches a public key in their homedir/.ssh/authorized_keys
• 3288[21:30:46] <leachim6> so if you want to do it the right way
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• 3291[21:31:17] <leachim6> chown root:root <theirHomedir>/.ssh/authorized_keys
• 3292[21:31:27] <AlexPortable> will that also disable people su - into someones account?
• 3293[21:31:43] <leachim6> yes, unless they have the root password or sudo access
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• 3295[21:31:57] <leachim6> but you're not giving root acces to people you don't already trust though.....right?
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• 3298[21:32:40] <mgood7123> how do i make a standard user in chroot
• 3299[21:32:50] <greycat> chroot in. Run adduser.
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• 3301[21:34:08] <mgood7123> how do i change to that user
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• 3303[21:34:20] <greycat> chroot in, then su or sudo
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• 3305[21:34:45] <greycat> you can only chroot as root, so it'll always be a two step process
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• 3308[21:35:01] <greycat> You can also run an sshd *inside* the chroot, and then ssh into it.
• 3309[21:35:39] <mgood7123> E: User ‘standard’ not found
• 3310[21:35:47] <leachim6> at this point it sounds like you want lxc
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• 3314[21:37:37] <mgood7123> at the moment i want to test if sudo will work but i cannot do that if i can only log in as root
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• 3318[21:39:10] <AlexPortable> leachim6: so how about /bin/nologin, what's that for? Will that not prevent users from connecting?
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• 3323[21:40:04] <leachim6> AlexPortable: like I said the only difference between nologin and false is that nologin echoes "This account is currently not available."
• 3324[21:40:06] <leachim6> that's it
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• 3326[21:40:20] <leachim6> they both start, then immediately exit 1
• 3327[21:40:24] <edi> what an entertaining discussion :d
• 3328[21:40:32] <leachim6> edi: :P
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• 3330[21:40:42] <edi> but it learned me a few thing, din't knew scp was so bad
• 3331[21:40:43] <AlexPortable> So there is something built into filezilla that says 'okay if i get that message, disconnect the user'
• 3332[21:41:08] <edi> but what about using rsync instead ?
• 3333[21:41:44] <edi> or is it then using the wrong tool for just a copy job?
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• 3335[21:42:14] <edi> honestly i try to avoid everything that has ftp in its name
• 3336[21:42:17] <jpw> i would say it's the ideal tool for a copy job.
• 3337[21:42:29] <edi> then I'm good :D
• 3338[21:42:49] <jpw> unless its between local disks. then it's unnecessary
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• 3340[21:43:39] <edi> ofc, was thinking the same, i would still use scp on the LAN
• 3341[21:43:54] <jpw> scp != rsync
• 3342[21:44:00] <edi> as I don't hand out accounts to others
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• 3344[21:44:04] <edi> there
• 3345[21:44:07] <edi> ah is it really ?
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• 3347[21:44:15] <jpw> nah its a very different beast
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• 3349[21:44:44] <leachim6> grab some popcorn and read `man rsync` sometime
• 3350[21:44:44] <edi> oh didn't see the !
• 3351[21:44:48] <leachim6> then after that, read `man ssh`
• 3352[21:44:53] <edi> :)
• 3353[21:44:55] <leachim6> you never knew openssh lcould do so much
• 3354[21:44:56] <greycat> scp is a thin hack layer on top of ssh. it constructs a shell command to do the actual copying. badly.
• 3355[21:45:04] <jpw> rsync, it will subdivide files to calculate the minimum amount of data that needs to be transferd to make b == a
• 3356[21:45:07] <greycat> sftp is an entirely different protocol
• 3357[21:45:07] <edi> oke
• 3358[21:45:12] <leachim6> I'm not being condescending, I recently read the entire manpage for openssh, it doe so much stuff I never knew it could do
• 3359[21:45:13] <jpw> scp will just copy the entire file regardless
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• 3364[21:45:57] <edi> i'm trying to pick my battles :)
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• 3366[21:46:08] <Zta> so the tl;dr is "use rsync" ?
• 3367[21:46:11] <edi> i thought rsync and scp where both based on ssh
• 3368[21:46:19] <new-nick> edi: had been avoiding everything has 'ftp' in it. (feel ftp is around ever since I started years ago.) scp was excited now but, as suggested, moving to sftp/
• 3369[21:46:22] <edi> but for different purposes
• 3370[21:46:28] <greycat> rsync can use ssh as a transport layer, but it runs rsync on the remote host to set up its own protocol
• 3371[21:46:40] <greycat> the two rsyncs talk to each other
• 3372[21:46:51] <jpw> Zta: provided that it is available (its not installed by default)
• 3373[21:46:53] <leachim6> you need rsync installed on both ends for that to work, FYI
• 3374[21:46:57] <edi> greycat, ok didn't knew that
• 3375[21:47:25] <edi> atm I'm only using rsync for backups
• 3376[21:47:29] <`Kevin> jpw: caveat, wholefile is more ideal in many cases due to seeking overhead and such :) unless you are on slower link speeds
• 3377[21:47:40] <Zta> I got burnt by rsync --delete (I think) and never touched it again.
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• 3379[21:47:58] <`Kevin> jpw: but rsync indeed can do either :)
• 3380[21:48:28] <Zta> Perhaps I should grow up and try rsync again, perhaps even make it my #1 tool for copying files. ..I mean.. remote .. sync..
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• 3383[21:48:52] <jpw> `Kevin: indeed but i usually use it for large drectory trees. the convenience outweighs the overhead.
• 3384[21:48:52] <edi> Zta, took me a while to figure the right commands and I'm happy with it :)
• 3385[21:48:53] <phogg> isn't there some implementation of scp that internally uses sftp?
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• 3388[21:49:17] <`Kevin> jpw: i agree there
• 3389[21:49:23] <jolt> Zta: Yeah, I would say that most sysadmins use rsync as their preferred transfer tool. It has all bells ans whistles and can limit speed, continue interupted transfers etc.
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• 3391[21:50:08] <greycat> I use scp if it's a single file.
• 3392[21:50:14] <phogg> some people even alias cp=rsync
• 3393[21:50:18] <jolt> alias rp='rsync -avP' and you're all set
• 3394[21:50:19] <greycat> And if there are no spaces in the pathname, etc.
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• 3396[21:50:35] <edi> greycat, same here, that's why I was surprised it is "bad"
• 3397[21:50:38] <jolt> greycat: Yeah, depends on the circumstanses sure
• 3398[21:51:10] <edi> but yeah sftp with nologin on windows, wouldn't even bother :)
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• 3401[21:51:50] <Zta> jolt: What does "rp" mean according to your mind set? =)
• 3402[21:52:16] <jpw> for those that will be learning rsync take these following commands: `rsync -azr a:/mnt b:mnt` and `rsync -azr a:/mnt/ b:/mnt` mean differnt things. The trailing slash is very important. the former will copy /mnt as a directory the latter will copy all files INSIDE /mnt from a-> b. this trips me up even today.
• 3403[21:52:27] <jolt> Zta: just shorter than typing the rest when I almost always use it: saves a lot of characters in the long run :P
• 3404[21:52:53] <`Kevin> rsync with permissions imo (rp)
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• 3406[21:53:28] <Zta> I looked it up. -P is not permissions; it's short for --partial --progress
• 3407[21:53:40] <leachim6> the -a preserves permissions, it stands for "archive"
• 3408[21:53:51] <jolt> 'a' is shortcut for a bunch of things, including permissions
• 3409[21:53:53] <`Kevin> Zta: its not but -a does
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• 3411[21:54:07] <jpw> just use -a generally. it copys links as links, preserves permissions and maintains file metadata such as times
• 3412[21:54:08] <jolt> p is transfer progress, which is nice overall
• 3413[21:54:17] <Zta> -a is just "always use this" =)
• 3414[21:54:45] <edi> :D
• 3415[21:55:08] <new-nick> greycat: I wonder why would you even use SCP since it is not secure as mentioned here ?
• 3416[21:55:33] <jpw> scp is secure
• 3417[21:55:36] <edi> if you're single user and you only have keys
• 3418[21:55:40] <edi> there's no problem
• 3419[21:55:40] <jpw> rcp is not
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• 3421[21:55:50] <edi> i think
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• 3423[21:55:53] <spacebug^> is there a way to get transparent windows in gnome under debian jessie?
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• 3426[21:56:16] <greycat> The insecurity comes when you give it complicated or unknown pathnames. If I'm running it one time from an interactive shell, and I know the pathnames (they are not in shell variables), I know there is no risk.
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• 3430[21:57:23] <new-nick> thumbs up for the simple explanation.
• 3431[21:57:32] <leachim6> ^^^ +1
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• 3433[21:59:53] <new-nick> between, I started digging into sftp (not FTPS, FTP over SSH, SCP, confusing terms :| is sftp is what we talking about here is bundled with Open SSH >
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• 3436[22:00:18] <leachim6> don't even get me started on ftps
• 3437[22:00:24] <edi> :D
• 3438[22:00:28] <new-nick> that mean, sftp is command line based not usable with Filezillia(just clarifying)
• 3439[22:00:33] <at0m> replaced-url
• 3440[22:00:38] <Zta> On a side regarding "progress", just yesterday I discovered this little gem: dd status=progress, e.g.: dd if=/dev/zero of=zeroes bs=1M count=1000 status=progress
• 3441[22:00:42] <greycat> new-nick: incorrect.
• 3442[22:00:44] <Zta> *side note
• 3443[22:00:47] <leachim6> filezilla will handle sftp just fine
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• 3445[22:01:04] <greycat> SFTP is a protocol. Filezilla is (perhaps) an SFTP client. So is /usr/bin/sftp. So are lots of other things.
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• 3447[22:01:19] <new-nick> "FTP" is sticking around everywhere. For some mins, I was pulling my hair out :)
• 3448[22:01:47] <new-nick> man sftp say: secure file transfer program ?
• 3449[22:01:48] <jpw> new-nick: sftp is a subsystem of openssh that allows directory listings like ftp i think. SCP required the source and destination to be provided up front and can not provide directory listings... I think from expierence.
• 3450[22:02:18] <greycat> /usr/bin/sftp (man sftp) is a command-line based SFTP client
• 3451[22:02:30] <jolt> Zta: Speaking of progress bars, have you seen 'pv'? Monitor/limit data through a pipe
• 3452[22:02:31] <greycat> comparable in user interface to the traditional /usr/bin/ftp
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• 3454[22:03:14] <jelly> sshfs is a nicer sftp client.
• 3455[22:03:25] <Zta> jolt: That I also just discovered recently. But it was always to have dd display progress, so I find the option in dd better for this particular need =)
• 3456[22:03:39] <phogg> translators everywhere!
• 3457[22:03:48] <jolt> Yeah, I have abandoned ftp for sshfs and sshd builtin chroots
• 3458[22:03:57] <jelly> if one thinks remote filesystem mount points are nice
• 3459[22:04:37] <jelly> sshfs -o reconnect isn't all powerful, and fuse-based filesystems sometimes get stuck
• 3460[22:04:37] <jolt> Zta: You can also send it USR1 to get som progress. Also a neat trick when you forgot various options :D
• 3461[22:04:37] <phogg> They are nice. Down with specialized tools. I want to browse the web with cd, ls and cat.
• 3462[22:04:49] <Zta> jep
• 3463[22:05:01] <jelly> phogg: curlftpfs for you then!
• 3464[22:05:16] <Zta> I forget because alias dd='dd status=progress'
• 3465[22:05:23] <phogg> jelly: please tell me that's actually a thing
• 3466[22:05:37] <new-nick> in fact,I was thinking, openssh is more protocol and application then after going through wiki, it clears that SSH is protocol, OpenSSH is suit of application; SSH is remote login, SCP - file transfer, SFTP - secure FTP programe, SSH-gen, ssh-agent and so on...
• 3467[22:05:39] <jelly> phogg: it does anything curl does
• 3468[22:05:51] <phogg> jelly: looking at it now. Glorious
• 3469[22:06:00] <jelly> (which includes mounting replaced-url
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• 3471[22:06:27] <jpw> jelly: not webdav?
• 3472[22:06:32] <phogg> jelly: now if only it could handle javascript and present HTML in a terminal friendly format
• 3473[22:06:43] <jelly> jpw: correct
• 3474[22:06:54] <jpw> sloreplaced-url
• 3475[22:07:02] <jelly> it's a hack.
• 3476[22:07:09] <jpw> idd
• 3477[22:07:29] <jelly> but sometimes you just want to boot a server from a remote .iso without downloading the whole thing!
• 3478[22:07:31] <phogg> cd /web/slashdot.org ; cat index.pl # this is how I want to browse
• 3479[22:07:55] <leachim6> I always just hitup `links -dump` to get html presented to my tty
• 3480[22:09:04] <jpw> phogg: that would be fun to implement as a fs module for the kernel
• 3481[22:09:11] <jer0me> phogg: ls /web/ is going to be epic
• 3482[22:09:17] <phogg> jpw: in kernel would be a bit nuts; fuse is less insane
• 3483[22:09:32] <jpw> ive always thought cowsayfs would be fun too
• 3484[22:09:33] <phogg> jer0me: I presume that mkdir is required first
• 3485[22:09:47] <phogg> jpw: shouldn't be too hard... but what would it do?
• 3486[22:10:16] <jpw> phogg: you write files as normal but when it's read back it goes through cowsay
• 3487[22:10:33] <jpw> something to screw with your co-workers
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• 3489[22:10:59] <AlexPortable> What's the recommended way to store users websites?
• 3490[22:11:27] <jpw> AlexPortable: -x
• 3491[22:12:18] <jpw> preferably with -o noexec on the mount point
• 3492[22:12:18] <AlexPortable> I mean what folder location
• 3493[22:12:20] <AlexPortable> /home ?
• 3494[22:12:23] <jpw> oh /srv/replaced-url
• 3495[22:12:34] <AlexPortable> why not /var ?
• 3496[22:12:52] <phogg> some people use /var... some vehemently oppose using /var for this
• 3497[22:13:10] <jpw> replaced-url
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• 3500[22:13:37] <jpw> could have gone for the debian one but this appeard first in google.
• 3501[22:13:50] <phogg> jpw: despite that explanation I am less convinced that web site files fit under the intended purpose of /srv
• 3502[22:14:15] <jpw> really. it is it's indended purpose
• 3503[22:14:16] <AlexPortable> web isn't listed there as far as i can find
• 3504[22:14:43] <phogg> AlexPortable: the FHS would never define something so specific
• 3505[22:14:50] <jpw> ... /srv: Site-specific data served by this system, such as data and scripts for web servers, data offered by FTP servers, and repositories for version control systems.
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• 3508[22:15:51] <jpw> its one of the few years of the filesystem that is not under control of the package manager along with /opt.
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• 3510[22:15:58] <jpw> s/years/areas/
• 3511[22:16:05] <AlexPortable> scripts and data for web servers, i interpreted that as modules and programs
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• 3515[22:17:16] <phogg> jpw: I don't like /opt either. /usr/local or bust.
• 3516[22:18:00] <new-nick> greycat: Yes, File Zilla supports SFTP. Good to learn this and it may come handy. SFTP is such relief to me now. Its better than to make connection and transfer, more over able to view files too ( had been working as one ssh for directory viewing and scp for transfer previously)
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• 3518[22:19:09] <jpw> put it where you want ultimately. other common practices I have seen is to mount it under /data
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• 3528[22:22:47] <AlexPortable> wouldn't ftp be more secure than sftp since you can't accidentally give people shell access due to a misconfiguration?
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• 3530[22:23:21] <random_numbers> Is there a way to check if a package is still maintained?
• 3531[22:23:41] <jpw> random_numbers: replaced-url
• 3532[22:23:52] <Spec> AlexPortable: no.
• 3533[22:23:59] <AlexPortable> whyn ot?
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• 3535[22:24:08] <random_numbers> jpw: Thanks.
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• 3540[22:25:25] <random_numbers> Hm, does the absense of a given tool from anything but stable/jessie imply, as I think, that it's no longer maintained?
• 3541[22:25:49] <greycat> Specify which package.
• 3542[22:25:52] <jer0me> or it has been renamed
• 3543[22:25:55] <random_numbers> replaced-url
• 3544[22:26:00] <greycat> ,v cuetools
• 3545[22:26:01] <judd> Package: cuetools on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.1-12; jessie: 1.4.0-2; sid: 1.4.0-2+b1; stretch: 1.4.0-2+b1
• 3546[22:26:01] <jpw> ,cuetools
• 3547[22:26:05] <greycat> It's in stretch.
• 3548[22:26:26] <phogg> AlexPortable: the ftp protocol is inherently insecure. I recommend you read the RFCs. You will be horrified.
• 3549[22:26:28] <random_numbers> Ah. Okay then. The package search results only gave a jessie link so I was confused momentarily.
• 3550[22:26:38] <greycat> !ftp
• 3551[22:26:38] <dpkg> File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>.
• 3552[22:26:38] <at0m> AlexPortable: replaced-url
• 3553[22:27:02] <greycat> that factoid is a bit... um...
• 3554[22:27:58] <jpw> AlexPortable: what are you trying to do exactly there are lots of methods of transferring files over the internet that do not involve shell accounts and or unencrypted connections.
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• 3557[22:28:40] <AlexPortable> Well running some programs for users
• 3558[22:28:48] <AlexPortable> where they can upload their own images and stuff
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• 3561[22:29:10] <greycat> dpkg, ftp =~ s/There are three.*firewall machine/Not secure; consider using superior protocols (sftp, rsync) for new setups/
• 3562[22:29:10] <dpkg> that doesn't contain 'There are three.*firewall machine', greycat
• 3563[22:29:14] <mrproper> I have a Debian install and want to upgrade the hard drive for more storage. There’s only one drive bay available in the enclosure so I can’t mount them at the same time internally - I’ll probably go over USB. What’s the best way, on a CLI only system, to duplicate a bootable drive to another drive?
• 3564[22:29:18] <greycat> damn it, is it going to make me type it all out...
• 3565[22:29:19] <Zta> Anyone know how to run the disk partitioning tool used during the installation of my (ahem) Ubuntu server?
• 3566[22:29:40] <phogg> AlexPortable: I believe the popular answer is to write a buggy program that abuses HTTP.
• 3567[22:29:45] <greycat> Zta: #ubuntu should know
• 3568[22:30:08] <jpw> AlexPortable: consider using webdav over HTTPS its very easy to set up and works like ftp does not use shell accounts by default is easly encrypted and sucks less than ftp
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• 3570[22:30:43] <greycat> dpkg, ftp =~ s/There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine/Not secure; consider using superior protocols (sftp, rsync) for new setups/
• 3571[22:30:44] <dpkg> OK, greycat
• 3572[22:30:50] <random_numbers> That ftpmustdie stie is instructive.
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• 3574[22:30:58] <random_numbers> s/stie/site/
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• 3576[22:32:14] <Spec> greycat: but when will debian just remove *ftp* packages
• 3577[22:32:15] <jpw> AlexPortable: alternatively use an online object store such as amazon S3 and write a simple front end. its then easier to integrate in to your application as a whole.
• 3578[22:32:26] <greycat> Spec: when people stop using them
• 3579[22:32:40] <Spec> +1 for s3 w/ pre signed urls
• 3580[22:32:41] <jpw> tftp still has a very valid use case
• 3581[22:32:52] <random_numbers> tftp for pxe boot with older hardware.
• 3582[22:33:00] <Spec> yes, i use tftp to bootstrap phones :(
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• 3584[22:33:13] <Spec> but i don't have to like it!
• 3585[22:33:13] <greycat> That's a different animal entirely.
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• 3587[22:33:33] <jpw> somehow its less secure :)
• 3588[22:33:38] <phogg> is tftp actually ftp? I haven't looked
• 3589[22:33:41] <Spec> no
• 3590[22:33:45] <jpw> tftp over udp
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• 3595[22:34:42] <DammitJim> I know this is not Debian related, but do you guys have any suggestions on an application to depict relationships amongst servers?
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• 3599[22:35:21] <random_numbers> tftp has no notion of credentials, iirc.
• 3600[22:35:22] <DammitJim> I'm having the hardest time depicting how server A depends on server B and how server B depends on server C
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• 3602[22:35:31] <phogg> DammitJim: how about dia?
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• 3604[22:35:38] <jpw> DammitJim: you mean what traffic flow there is?
• 3605[22:35:39] <Spec> dia :)
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• 3608[22:36:07] <DammitJim> phogg, I looked at Dia, but I'm imagining something where you can "highlight" a route (for a specific process) and just see the servers needed for that
• 3609[22:36:10] <DammitJim> does that make sense?
• 3610[22:36:18] <DammitJim> jpw, yeah, something like that
• 3611[22:36:25] <jpw> DammitJim: at work we use netflow data going via logstash in to elasticsearch then graph it out in kibana.
• 3612[22:36:32] <DammitJim> I mean, for 24 servers, dia can display it, but it's pretty messy
• 3613[22:36:45] <DammitJim> jpw, that does it automatically, huh?
• 3614[22:36:52] <jpw> yes*
• 3615[22:36:58] <DammitJim> I've been reading about ELK
• 3616[22:37:11] <DammitJim> but is there an application to do this manually?
• 3617[22:37:13] <phogg> DammitJim: did you want a live view? Like in etherape?
• 3618[22:37:29] <jpw> *if you can not get netflow data out of your network hardware you will need to install a kernel module manually which is highly discouraged.
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• 3621[22:37:36] <DammitJim> phogg, not at this time, but in a couple of months, yes
• 3622[22:37:49] <DammitJim> but I need to at least have a plan of how things are at this time w/o setting up ELK
• 3623[22:38:18] <DammitJim> jpw, I think we've had netflow work by enabling it on our firewall and routers
• 3624[22:38:38] <jpw> in that case getting the data in to elk is a cakewalk
• 3625[22:38:46] <DammitJim> but I don't think I saw netflow showing connections between server A and B on the same VLAN
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• 3627[22:39:24] <DammitJim> and I"m talking about different processes managing a file that came in from the customer
• 3628[22:39:26] <random_numbers> So, alternatives to ftp are sftp and webdav?
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• 3631[22:39:52] <jpw> hmm yes on the same vlan is a slight issue. on vmware this info is captured.
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• 3633[22:40:19] <phogg> random_numbers: I would not want to count ftp as an alternative.
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• 3635[22:40:50] <jpw> openvswitch too i think
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• 3637[22:40:55] <DammitJim> right, that's why for now I just need a manual tool to put someone to work and document this mess
• 3638[22:41:07] <phogg> random_numbers: depending on what you're using ftp for you may also be okay with rsync
• 3639[22:41:28] <random_numbers> phogg: By sftp I meant the ssh extension.
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• 3641[22:41:55] <jpw> DammitJim: if you find anything let me know, i am doing a very similar exercise for our more legacy stuff also.
• 3642[22:42:14] <DammitJim> thanks
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• 3645[22:42:59] <random_numbers> I mostly considered alternatives that allowed for listing and browsing of a given server, which was why I didn't count rsync.
• 3646[22:43:01] <random_numbers> Still thanks.
• 3647[22:43:40] <greycat> (didn't we *just* have this discussion?)
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• 3649[22:43:58] <jpw> you could write a script to simply dump the contents of `ss` in to elk every minute or so. it does basically the same thing, you just lose some resolution, and do not get any data on UDP or <insert non tcp protocol here>.
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• 3651[22:44:04] <`Kevin> i walked away for a bit, came back and see the same discussion :|
• 3652[22:44:10] <random_numbers> greycat: I had not joined yet, so I wanted to confirm that alternatives were SSH-ftp and webdav.
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• 3656[22:44:25] <greycat> weird coincidence, then
• 3657[22:44:40] <random_numbers> greycat: Actually, the end of the topic brought the question to my mind.
• 3658[22:44:42] <jpw> and object storage :)
• 3659[22:45:13] <AlexPortable> dpkg: ftp
• 3660[22:45:13] <dpkg> File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. Not secure; consider using superior protocols (sftp, rsync) for new setups. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>.
• 3661[22:45:18] <AlexPortable> dpkg: ftp must die
• 3662[22:45:18] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
• 3663[22:46:15] <random_numbers> Hmm... how does ftp deal with directory listing and going up or down a hierarchy without webdav?
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• 3665[22:46:19] <random_numbers> s/ftp/http/
• 3666[22:46:34] <AlexPortable> greycat: why this? "nencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d"
• 3667[22:46:41] <greycat> dpkg, ftp must die =~ s/html\./html ./
• 3668[22:46:41] <dpkg> greycat: that doesn't contain 'html\.'
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• 3670[22:47:09] <greycat> dpkg, ftp must die =~ s/http.html./http.html ./
• 3671[22:47:09] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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• 3673[22:48:02] <AlexPortable> can you also use ftp without unix users?
• 3674[22:48:05] <AlexPortable> so a seperate login pool?
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• 3677[22:49:25] <jpw> AlexPortable: it depends on the ftp daemon. most use pam for authentication by default
• 3678[22:49:45] <AlexPortable> Which ftp daemon would you recommend?
• 3679[22:50:07] <missmbob> i thought we killed them all
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• 3681[22:50:25] <jpw> AlexPortable:vsftpd
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• 3683[22:50:39] <AlexPortable> vsftpd is better than proftpd?
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• 3685[22:50:57] <jpw> it depends how you define better. vs stands for very secure.
• 3686[22:51:01] <feckert> / s
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• 3690[22:52:50] <greycat> The last non-proprietary machine I have an ftpd on is using vsftpd. For whatever that's worth.
• 3691[22:53:16] <jelly> greycat: amusingly, anonymous ftp.software.ibm.com enforces TLS these days
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• 3693[22:54:18] <greycat> gotta protect your email address (anon FTP user password) from those MITM attacks
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• 3695[22:54:54] <jelly> nod
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• 3703[22:59:18] <AlexPortable> jpw: and pro stands for professional?
• 3704[22:59:49] <jelly> and vs stands for "very secure"
• 3705[22:59:53] <jelly> what's in a name?
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• 3707[23:00:32] <jpw> i tried using proftpd a while back. i didn't think it was very pro.
• 3708[23:00:35] <greycat> "pro" stands for "professional" but it doesn't mean proftpd is better at making money
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• 3710[23:02:04] <mgood7123> so now i get "sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges?" after doing "chown root:root /sudo/usr/bin/sudo && chmod 4755 /sudo/usr/bin/sudo"
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• 3712[23:02:22] <greycat> Wipe your chroot, make a new one, and use debootstrap.
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• 3714[23:02:24] <mgood7123> and for su i get "su: must be run from a terminal"
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• 3721[23:05:02] <confrey> hi everybody
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• 3723[23:05:33] <confrey> just installed stretch, why can't I find rc.local in /etc?
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• 3727[23:06:15] <dontknow> i think it is deprecated
• 3728[23:06:17] <greycat> ,file /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service --release stretch
• 3729[23:06:20] <judd> Search for /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service in stretch/amd64: systemd: lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service
• 3730[23:06:29] <greycat> Looks like it's there, to me.
• 3731[23:06:50] <greycat> ,file /etc/rc.local --release stretch
• 3732[23:06:53] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 3733[23:07:03] <greycat> *shrug* probably part of the base install instead of a package
• 3734[23:07:08] <AlexPortable> Is it also possible to use sftp with some kind of mysql authentication?
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• 3736[23:07:30] <greycat> Just make one and verify that systemctl status rc.local is sane, and it should get used. Don't forget #!/bin/sh and chmod 755
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• 3739[23:09:31] <teraflops> AlexPortable: yeah, also with kerberos, I have the impression you do not like searching the intertubes
• 3740[23:09:39] <AlexPortable> i did
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• 3742[23:09:43] <AlexPortable> but all guides recommend ftp
• 3743[23:09:49] <AlexPortable> and you disrecommend it here
• 3744[23:09:55] * teraflops shrugs
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• 3746[23:10:56] <`Kevin> `guides`
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• 3750[23:12:16] <confrey> greycat, thanks, but first I have another question : in debina wiki I read "If PID 1 is systemd then your system is running with systemd", my pid 1 cmdline is /sbin/init and not systemd, is it correct?
• 3751[23:12:35] <greycat> confrey: /sbin/init is a symlink
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• 3753[23:12:44] <mgood7123> fk
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• 3757[23:13:25] <mgood7123> i accidentally did "sudo rm -rf /*" instead of "sudo rm -rf ./*"
• 3758[23:13:39] <confrey> greycat, ops, right... and how may I verify rc.local status?
• 3759[23:13:49] <greycat> systemctl status rc.local
• 3760[23:14:00] <mgood7123> bash is still here luckily
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• 3762[23:14:14] <mgood7123> bus sudo and su are not
• 3763[23:14:17] <mgood7123> but*
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• 3766[23:14:31] <tw> AlexPortable: sftp uses system login for authentication. You can back pam and nss with mysql if you really want to.
• 3767[23:14:45] <greycat> mgood7123: /bin/su is part of login which is a *required* package
• 3768[23:15:12] <AlexPortable> tw: well i want to create more separation
• 3769[23:15:22] <mgood7123> i may be able to recover via the chroot as luckily that was not affected before i hit ctrl-z
• 3770[23:15:31] <AlexPortable> adding ftp users is more safe since you can just use sql storage for the users and not worry about them having shell/system accounts
• 3771[23:15:44] <Violinist> i cant use * in hosts file right?
• 3772[23:15:50] <confrey> greycat, it says 'loaded' but also 'inactive (dead)', maybe because there is no rc.local file?
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• 3774[23:16:31] <mgood7123> how do i access area's outside of chroot from inside a chroot
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• 3776[23:16:46] <confrey> I simply wish to run a two lines script to mount two remote directories with sshfs
• 3777[23:16:53] <greycat> confrey: it's a one-shot thing (run the file once). Mine: Active: active (exited) since Thu 2017-06-01 08:42:16 EDT; 1 day 8h ago
• 3778[23:17:08] <greycat> Yours is "dead" instead of "exited" because the file's missing.
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• 3780[23:18:15] <confrey> greycat, thanks
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• 3793[23:24:42] <awal1> how to prevent slim from asking to provide root passwd (in X) for shutdown?
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• 3797[23:25:36] <awal1> I have read about slim being not fully integrated with systemd/logind but I don't find info in the web
• 3798[23:25:46] <awal1> Stretch ^
• 3799[23:26:19] <jpw> chmod o+s
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• 3801[23:26:21] * jpw ducks
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• 3809[23:29:29] <centrx> Who you calling slim!?
• 3810[23:29:34] <centrx> The names STRETCH!
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• 3812[23:30:07] <Violinist> can i use * /etc/hosts
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• 3814[23:30:22] <Violinist> *.lol.com
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• 3817[23:30:40] <jpw> Violinist: no wildcards do not work in /etc/hosts
• 3818[23:30:46] <teraflops> Violinist: tias?
• 3819[23:30:51] <jpw> technically they are not part of the dns rfc
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• 3822[23:32:29] <Violinist> im having to add every subdomain to hosts and im using varnish
• 3823[23:32:45] <Violinist> can i just have varnish handle all that?
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• 3828[23:33:33] <Violinist> or is there a better way to point diff subdomain to diff ports on the same ip
• 3829[23:34:17] <AlexPortable> so websites in /srv/
• 3830[23:34:35] <AlexPortable> and then what? /srv/web/customer1/website1/subdomain1/html/ ?
• 3831[23:34:53] <awal1> centrx, slim (slim display manager) replaced-url
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• 3833[23:34:54] <Violinist> no lol
• 3834[23:35:01] <Violinist> this is before apache
• 3835[23:35:02] <dondelelcaro> Violinist: varnish doesn't care what the subdomains are. If you want wildcards, use bind.
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• 3837[23:35:38] <Violinist> yeh varnish is already aware of my subdomains
• 3838[23:35:40] <jpw> Violinist: ^ what dondelelcaro said. let apache handle it
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• 3840[23:35:58] <jpw> AlexPortable: that seems reasonable
• 3841[23:36:02] <Violinist> jpw no apache is configured to *
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• 3844[23:36:31] <dondelelcaro> Violinist: that's fine; so long as apache knows how to handle the subdomains, you're good.
• 3845[23:36:32] <Violinist> every subdomain is its own apache on its own port
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• 3847[23:36:41] <Violinist> argh no
• 3848[23:36:44] <jpw> Violinist: so each subdomain gets routed to a different backend apache?
• 3849[23:36:59] <jpw> oh port
• 3850[23:37:00] <dondelelcaro> oh; running that many apaches seems kind of nuts
• 3851[23:37:01] <Violinist> forget apache, i know its the right way to do it but im forced to do it this way
• 3852[23:37:10] <dondelelcaro> but hey, whatever works.
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• 3854[23:37:22] <Violinist> that was actually my recomendation
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• 3856[23:37:37] <Violinist> but im dealing w idiots here
• 3857[23:37:51] <Violinist> so the scenario is
• 3858[23:38:17] <Violinist> sub1.lol.com -> 123.123.123.123:8001
• 3859[23:38:20] <jpw> tbh it seems overkill. you can use the 'Host' header as part of the cache key. there's no reason to use differnt backend ports for apache.
• 3860[23:38:28] <Violinist> sub2.lol.com -> 123.123.123.123:8002
• 3861[23:38:31] <Violinist> see?
• 3862[23:38:39] <dondelelcaro> Violinist: sub1.lol.com will go to 123.123.123, not a port.
• 3863[23:38:43] <Violinist> tell me about it
• 3864[23:38:49] <Violinist> i know that
• 3865[23:38:53] <Violinist> gawd
• 3866[23:38:54] <dondelelcaro> Violinist: the mapping from port 80 to a specific backend port you have to do in varnish
• 3867[23:38:57] <teraflops> Violinist: use a reverse proxy?
• 3868[23:39:05] <Violinist> yeah varnish
• 3869[23:39:14] <dondelelcaro> Violinist: and the wildcards you take care of using bind9 or something else which does wildcard DNS.
• 3870[23:39:14] <Violinist> i did that
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• 3872[23:39:18] <Violinist> its all working
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• 3874[23:39:26] <teraflops> ah now I know what varnish means :P
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• 3876[23:39:36] <SuperSeriousCat> If you dont have to use Apache this is extremly easy and quick to do in Nginx
• 3877[23:39:48] <teraflops> I just use nginx
• 3878[23:39:54] <Violinist> yes i know nginx does this better
• 3879[23:40:29] <jpw> *.lol.com goes to varnish on 123.123.123.123:80 you pass everything through to your backend apache servers on the same port and use named virtual hosts to separate the traffic.
• 3880[23:40:44] <Violinist> my only problem is that i dont want to have to define all my subdomains in /etc/hosts
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• 3882[23:40:58] <dondelelcaro> Violinist: so use bind and a wildcard DNS record.
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• 3884[23:41:05] <Violinist> i c
• 3885[23:41:10] <Violinist> how to do it?
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• 3887[23:41:32] <jpw> NameVirtualHost on - in apache
• 3888[23:41:48] <Violinist> argh forget apache
• 3889[23:41:53] <Violinist> apache is *
• 3890[23:42:00] <jpw> but its not
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• 3892[23:42:01] <Violinist> thats it forget it
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• 3894[23:42:12] <dondelelcaro> Violinist: * IN A 123.123.123.123; in your zone file.
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• 3896[23:42:25] <glick> hi, does anyone here use mutt?
• 3897[23:42:29] <dondelelcaro> glick: yes
• 3898[23:42:33] <jpw> you are setting up sites on different ports. that is very significant as you neen per vhost configuration in varnish
• 3899[23:42:34] <glick> upon starting mutt, shouldnt it create a .muttrc in my home?
• 3900[23:42:40] <dondelelcaro> glick: no
• 3901[23:43:03] <glick> dondelelcaro: i have to copy over the system-wide config file?
• 3902[23:43:20] <dondelelcaro> glick: no, you can just use the system-wide config file if you want
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• 3904[23:43:31] <glick> dondelelcaro: i have to make changes
• 3905[23:43:33] <dondelelcaro> glick: generally you just specify whatever you want to override in your ~/.muttrc
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• 3908[23:44:23] <glick> dondelelcaro: yes to get an initial .muttrc file just copy over the systemwide one?
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• 3910[23:44:44] <dondelelcaro> glick: no, just create an empty file.
• 3911[23:45:11] <teraflops> ,v neomutt
• 3912[23:45:12] <judd> No package named 'neomutt' was found in amd64.
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• 3914[23:45:34] <dondelelcaro> glick: but you can use the system-wide and /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/Muttrc.gz files as a reference while you do that
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• 3916[23:46:04] <glick> i see
• 3917[23:46:05] <glick> ok
• 3918[23:46:08] <glick> thanks
• 3919[23:46:17] <dondelelcaro> np
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• 3921[23:46:46] <dondelelcaro> (the local mutt configuration overrides the system-wide configuration and the built-in defaults)
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• 3924[23:47:15] <yaomtc> I want to create a certificate with Let's Encrypt, what's a good ACME client in the repos to use for this?
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• 3926[23:47:56] <hicks_> tried certbot?
• 3927[23:47:59] <dondelelcaro> yaomtc: certbot works for me
• 3928[23:48:58] <SerajewelKS> yaomtc: note that certbot in debian requires a particular pip package but does not install it for you
• 3929[23:49:08] <SerajewelKS> i'm not sure how that was overlooked
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• 3931[23:49:59] <yaomtc> they recommended certbot but gave a link to an ubuntu repo and I wanted to see if there was something suitable already in debian's repos, guess not
• 3932[23:50:05] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: really? it works fine here without a specific pip package. Maybe you need python-certbot-apache?
• 3933[23:50:17] <yaomtc> I'll get certbot installed, thanks
• 3934[23:50:25] <SerajewelKS> yaomtc: the certbot in debian is fine. you just have to install a pip package afterwards.
• 3935[23:50:46] <yaomtc> what does pip stand for in this context
• 3936[23:50:56] <yaomtc> I'm only familiar with the "picture-in-picture" meaning
• 3937[23:50:57] <SerajewelKS> yaomtc: it's python's own package manager
• 3938[23:51:04] <yaomtc> oh yeah forgot about that
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• 3940[23:51:30] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: it would be weird to require that package in order for certonly operation to function, no?
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• 3942[23:51:58] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: yeah, that's what I was trying to figure out. It doesn't require it on any of the hosts which I run certbot on
• 3943[23:52:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1699
• 3944[23:52:06] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: perhaps it's #825619?
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• 3946[23:52:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3947[23:52:13] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: no it's not that one, one moment
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• 3950[23:54:43] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: i'm spinning up a new instance to capture the exact error
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• 3953[23:57:11] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: The 'ndg-httpsclient' distribution was not found and is required by requests
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• 3955[23:57:20] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: "sudo pip install ndg-httpsclient" resolves this
• 3956[23:57:52] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: presumably so does installing python-ndg-httpsclient -- so there seems to be a missing dependency somewhere
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• 3959[23:58:40] <glick> damn im so tired all of a sudden
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• 3963[23:58:47] <glick> i have zero energy
• 3964[23:59:28] <jpw> go learn f# that will perk you up
• 3965[23:59:40] * BlueXombie hands glick a redbull, a 5 hour energy and a goody power /w caffiene.
• 3966[23:59:40] <glick> hah
• 3967[23:59:57] <glick> trying to learn awk
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