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2 [00:00:26] <ziGuy> just put nosuid,noexec,nodev on /tmp
3 [00:01:07] <jelly> that directory will still be
exec'able in its original path
4 [00:01:37] <ziGuy> y? the original path will be
"hidden" under the new one
5 [00:01:44] <jelly> no, it won't
6 [00:02:01] <jelly> bind mounts are visible in both places
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8 [00:02:42] <jelly> eg. suppose you have something like
9 [00:02:46] <jelly> /mnt/tmp /tmp none rw,bind,nosuid,noexec 0
0
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11 [00:02:55] <jelly> and you have a directory /mnt/tmp
12 [00:03:27] <jelly> if it's on your / filesystem someone
will still be able to execute stuff under /mnt/tmp/
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16 [00:04:20] <ziGuy> yes but in this example u have 2 mount
point
17 [00:04:34] <ziGuy> 2 different mount points
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19 [00:04:57] <ziGuy> anyway i got the idea.
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21 [00:05:11] <ziGuy> Thank you for your time my friend, and
have a great day
22 [00:05:19] <jelly> ziGuy, only /tmp is a mount point
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24 [00:05:37] <jelly> /mnt/tmp is source, just a directory
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28 [00:06:23] <jelly> it exists under the / mount point, and
that one is usually mounted with exec and suid
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30 [00:07:05] <ziGuy> i understand. so i might be needed another
disk/partition anyway. thank you
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73 [00:37:46] <lispmacs`> is there a way to reduce debian
logging to something like openwrt logread; i.e., logs data just gets
writting to circular buffer in memory?
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97 [01:00:22] <lispmacs`> i could switch maybe to
busybox-syslogd?
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119 [01:11:10] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to get cloud-init
working on Debian 8. It's working well on Debian 9, but not 8.
For network configuration mostly, it's not setting up a
network. I'm running Proxmox VE 5.1.x and it's the
cloud-init iso9660 method for cloud-init to work (still fairly new)
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169 [01:45:14] <hyperlumic> !proxmox
170 [01:45:15] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is
a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a
virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not
supported in #debian. There's an unofficial
proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see
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194 [01:58:22] * Psi-Jack isn't asking for Proxmox help, but
cloud-init help more specifically.
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196 [01:59:42] <retiform> how do I enable tap to touch?
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198 [02:00:06] <retiform> Should it be under /etc/X11/xorg.conf/
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234 [02:26:40] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
235 [02:26:47] <Psi-Jack> I just don't get why cloud-init
works on Debian 9, but not Debian 8
236 [02:27:14] <Psi-Jack> It gets the sr0 mount with the
cloud-init user-data, meta-data, etc, gets the network
configuration. But it does not apply any of it.
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244 [02:40:33] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Its not reading network-data.
Just user-data and meta-data.
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279 [03:06:15] <erikm> I just installed stretch on my machine --
I find when I add myself to a new group, and then log out to lightdm
and log back in, it still doesn't show me belonging to the new
group. I can su to my user, and then it shows the group. I've
had to reboot my machine to get it to take. Any ideas why this is
happening?
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331 [04:04:49] <_minos> man tmux
332 [04:04:56] <_minos> whoops.
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355 [04:27:13] <awal1> how can i make 'dmenu' list only
gui apps?
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357 [04:27:50] <awal1> nothing i 'man'; anyone have
worked that in the source?
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382 [04:48:56] <Thete> is there a easy way to install mainline
kernels on debian stretch?
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385 [04:50:56] <hyperlumic> Thete: backports may be of help.
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419 [05:14:18] <NonaSuomy_> I have a corrupted vm file system
that I would like to try to repair. I seem to be able to mount the
sda1 after booting the cd in rescue mode but it doesn't seem to
let me reinstall grub and a lot of the tools are not availible like
fsck
420 [05:14:30] <NonaSuomy_> not sure what to try next
421 [05:15:36] <NonaSuomy_> I tried to set the hd0,msdos1 as boot
but when I set insmod normal it just said its an unknown filesystem
422 [05:16:29] <NonaSuomy_>
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425 [05:16:53] <NonaSuomy_> grub-install '(hd0)'
doesn't work in installer mode
426 [05:18:51] <NonaSuomy_> as when I tell rescue mode to use the
/dev/sda1 and boot it just goes back to the menu options but lets
you select the installer mode and mounts sda1 fine in that
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484 [06:16:40] <clandest> with wireless internet, do i just have
to add my wpa-ssid and wpa-psk to the /etc/network/interfaces file?
I am trying to bring it up with ifup wlan_2gext, but it doesn't
seem to be working. I remember there are profiles that have to be
copied and made, but i can't seem tofind the command to make
those profiles
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486 [06:17:38] <nmschulte> clandest: WPA2?
487 [06:17:56] <clandest> nmschulte: yes
488 [06:17:59] <nmschulte> I believe you'll want/need
wpa_supplicant
489 [06:18:22] <nmschulte> and at that point, you may want
NetworkManager (nmcli or nm gui bits)
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492 [06:18:51] <nmschulte> you can jam it by hand though;
wpa_passphrase is the tool to create the file w/ the secrets
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495 [06:19:41] <nmschulte> I should caveat that I'm running
Sid, but I believe this information stretches back to jessie and
possibly further
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498 [06:20:17] <clandest> I have those setup, I am trying to
connect to my wifi exntension, and would like to swtich between the
two connections.
499 [06:20:27] <clandest> I thought i could just add another
profile in my /etc/network/interfaces file
500 [06:20:47] <nmschulte> oh I see. I think that's over my
head. :(
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502 [06:21:19] <nmschulte> wlan_2gext is a device name?
503 [06:21:29] <nmschulte> I dont' use ifup; I thought it
was deprecated?
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507 [06:22:42] <clandest> wlp3s0 is device name, and wlan_2gext
is what i want as the profile name to swtich to with ifup wlan_2gext
508 [06:23:30] <hyperlumic> clandest: I don't think
that's how the interfaces file works.
509 [06:23:58] <clandest> I have a profile with wlp3s0 and ifup
wlp3s0 works but adding other connections doesn't seem to work.
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511 [06:24:13] <hyperlumic> That's because
/etc/network/interfaces operates on devices, not
"profiles."
512 [06:24:31] <nmschulte> s/profile/configuration/
513 [06:24:40] <clandest> hyperlumic: thanks for the reply, i
remmebr when i was first setting up my system there were different
profiles needed. and i had to run a command to copy the current
network profile
514 [06:24:50] <hyperlumic> clandest: Stop using the word
profile.
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516 [06:25:14] <nmschulte> man page makes it sound like ifup
configurations may achieve what he's after, but I am unfamiliar
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517 [06:25:38] <nmschulte> I use the iw tool to choose which
SSID/config to setup for the WiFi device.
518 [06:25:49] <bug> isn't it ifup <interface> ?
519 [06:26:21] <nmschulte> if{up,down,status} config [ interface
] [ -o options ]
520 [06:26:34] <hyperlumic> clandest: /etc/network/interfaces
configures -devices-. Nothing more. If you want the ability to
manage multiple sets of configuration for a single device, I'd
suggest NetworkManager. It's quite robust.
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568 [07:19:24] <SanchoPensa> good morning, ladies and gentlemen!
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571 [07:20:15] <SanchoPensa> so, i was looking for my eth0 and
eth1, and what i found instead where enp2s0
572 [07:20:15] <SanchoPensa> and enp5s4. What the hell is that,
and where did it come from?
573 [07:22:33] <awal1> systemd namig
574 [07:22:35] <themill> They're called "Predictable
Network Interface Names" ... you need a particular view of what
"predictable" is to believe that though
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576 [07:23:34] <themill> They are predictable in that they
don't change (eth0 and eth1 could swap each time you boot; not
a good look).
577 [07:23:55] <themill> (Repeatable might have been a better
word than predictable, but it's not going to change now)
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583 [07:28:10] <awal1> SanchoPensa, if you want to understand
that
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584 [07:28:31] <SanchoPensa> thanks, awal1
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586 [07:28:50] <awal1> ways about how to reverse that are
explained there; nothing comlicated
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590 [07:29:08] <themill> If you've got 2 ifaces, you
don't want to revert it, however.
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598 [07:35:30] <TomTheDragon> themill, I've noticed on
debian stretch I get enp1s0, but on alpine edge I get eth0 like
before. I take it the change is not in the kernel?
599 [07:36:01] <themill> the kernel continues to make up random
names and leaves it to userspace to figure out what to do with those
names
600 [07:36:51] <themill> udev has attempted to deal with this for
years with its renaming rules
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605 [07:38:35] <clandest> is pastbin ok, or is there something
else that is prefere'd if I want to show a config file?
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607 [07:40:35] <awal1> people may prefer paste.debian.net
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609 [07:40:55] <themill> (the basic preference is "anything
except pastebin.com")
610 [07:41:13] <awal1> o rare you talking about
'pastbinit'?
611 [07:41:28] <TomTheDragon> themill, it actually seems like a
pretty good idea to assign it to bus and slot number now that I
think of it
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613 [07:42:55] <themill> TomTheDragon: if you've got a box
with lots of cards or where cards change, that works. If you've
got a single iface in your box then instead of knowing it would just
be eth0, you now have to ask. (Then again, I've seen plenty of
single iface boxes where it's eth1 or eth2 because of hw
upgrades over time…)
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615 [07:44:48] <TomTheDragon> themill, not sure there's a
truly good solution, unfortunately.
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617 [07:46:13] <themill> indeed
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619 [07:46:35] <themill> when bash-completion knows how to
complete the iface names for you, the pain of enp1s0 is diminished
greatly
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629 [07:56:49] <clandest> I have my /etc/network/interface file
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630 [07:56:52] <clandest> network-manager is not helpful in my
case.
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682 [08:50:30] <rajivmars> hi all. i wanted to install debian 9
on my laptop as primary distribution alongside fedora. when i
install debian alongside fedora 27 previously i made these
partitions; /, /home, swap and /boot/efi. what i have noticed after
install is debian has taken even fedora's swap and using it.
and when i login to fedora what i saw was swap was not available for
fedora.
683 [08:51:36] <rajivmars> anyone tell me how i install debian
alongside fedora without affecting fedora's swap?
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687 [08:57:19] <rajivmars> anuone?
688 [08:57:23] <rajivmars> anyone?
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692 [08:59:35] <mrig> rajivmars, hi, you could use manual disk
configuration to achieve this, whilst installing debian; It sound as
if you are letting it configure the disks automatically.
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694 [09:00:05] <rajivmars> mrig, i did it manually.
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696 [09:00:23] <rajivmars> may be i missed some trick in the
manual partitioning.
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698 [09:01:32] <rajivmars> but i don't no what i missed. is
there any option inside the manual partition by selecting which i
stop this?
699 [09:02:10] <rajivmars> because i made seperate swap for
debian while installing.
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704 [09:06:54] <rajivmars> mrig?
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709 [09:12:34] <mrig> rajivmars, hi well I only have one debian
on my system but I do use manual disk instillation whilst
installing, during this process I am given the option to define the
use of each disk, including the swap partition.
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711 [09:13:03] <mrig> Just wondering if you are using this or
using the automatic configureation.
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713 [09:14:21] <rajivmars> mrig, mrig i thought there is the
option inside 'use as' which says 'do not use this
partition'. is that was what i missed?
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715 [09:15:03] <rajivmars> because i wasn't select that
option then.
716 [09:16:04] <alkisg> rajivmars: yes if you select
"don't use this partition", you won't get an
fstab entry for that later on
717 [09:16:20] <alkisg> But it's just a text file, you can
edit it later without issues, adding and removing partitions and
swaps
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719 [09:17:11] <rajivmars> alkisg, so by selecting that option
debian is not formatting and using fedora's swap?
720 [09:18:06] <alkisg> If you select that option it won't
format and it won't use fedora's swap
721 [09:19:26] <rajivmars> ok. thanks!
722 [09:19:34] <alkisg> np
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724 [09:20:09] <alkisg> rajivmars: so, the debian installer
formatted fedora's swap
725 [09:20:21] <alkisg> To make fedora use it now, you just have
to edit the fedora's /etc/fstab
726 [09:20:26] <alkisg> You don't need to change anything
else
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729 [09:21:10] <rajivmars> yes
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740 [09:30:00] <Brek> Using Arch, I can install and update
proprietary software using AUR Helper via a command only. Currently
using debian, I install proprietary software from their website and
update them manually. Is there an easy way to do so in debian just
like arch?
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751 [09:37:20] <turbo64> hi
752 [09:37:26] <turbo64> how is ryzen support in stretch right
now?
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754 [09:37:38] <turbo64> will a ryzen 1200 work ok with the
default kernel?
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842 [10:47:24] <Guest22740> hello, what are the pros and cons of
Debian vis-a-vis OpenSuse Leap and Ubuntu LTS?
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845 [10:48:46] <Guest22740> and what stability and security can
we expect from some distros like LMDE and MX Linux that are based on
Debian, but are easy for newbies?
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863 [11:05:28] <alkisg> Guest22740: those questions would be good
for a blog post, not so much for IRC. It's difficult for people
here to decide to write 100 lines for what you're asking.
864 [11:05:44] <alkisg> Google about those questions, then maybe
ask more specific questions here
865 [11:05:52] <Guest22740> ok
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868 [11:07:48] <jrj_> hello
869 [11:08:14] <alkisg> Hello
870 [11:08:59] <jrj_> can someone help me find out why "apt
upgrade" suggest upgrade kernel, but "apt-get
upgrade" not?
871 [11:09:40] <jrj_> debian 9.3
872 [11:10:44] <alkisg> If you read the man pages, there are
slight differences between them
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874 [11:11:02] <alkisg> apt upgrade now properly pulls new
dependencies as necessary
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876 [11:11:50] <Guest22740> how can one make Debian more beginner
friendly?
877 [11:12:02] <Guest22740> for those who have been using
Windows?
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880 [11:12:13] <jrj_> but apt-get says it will keep current
version. not just "nothing to upgrade"
881 [11:12:34] <alkisg> jrj_: if you want to use apt-get, use
apt-get dist-upgrade
882 [11:12:42] <alkisg> Guest22740: start by installing, then ask
questions whenever you have difficulties
883 [11:12:58] <alkisg> There isn't really much
"beginners magic", it's the same linux in all distros
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885 [11:13:21] <Guest22740> ok
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887 [11:14:02] <jrj_> alkisg: i want to get difference in
behaviour
888 [11:14:19] <alkisg> jrj_: did you read the man page? It
specifically mentions the difference in behavior
889 [11:14:25] <alkisg> Is there some point there that you
didn't get?
890 [11:14:42] <Guest22740> btw, what sort of problems could one
encounter while using Debian testing? is it the rolling release
version of Debian?
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892 [11:15:45] <alkisg> Guest22740: there are distributions that
have rolling releases for users; debian testing isn't really
for daily use but for testing certain things
893 [11:16:04] <Guest22740> ok
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898 [11:18:17] <Scytale89> Guest22740: The official Debian FAQs
may suggest that testing is better for "normal" endusers.
If you know a bit what you are doing testing can work just fine as a
daily driver. As long as you make backups and actually read what the
apt/apt-get output tells you about possible problems
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900 [11:19:02] <jrj_> alkisg: maibe i missed something. i only
found that apt - end user interface, and apt-get - back-end tool.
why should they do one task differently?
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902 [11:19:10] <Scytale89> There are some best pracitces advices:
replaced-url
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907 [11:20:00] <Guest22740> I would rather stick to Debian
stable.
908 [11:20:01] <Scytale89> jri_: look at the man-pages. They
differ in pulling in/removing dependencies
909 [11:20:07] <alkisg> jrj_: `man apt-get` => and read the
paragraphs about upgrade and dist-upgrade
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911 [11:20:33] <alkisg> jrj_: then, `man apt` => and read the
paragraphs about upgrade and full-upgrade
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913 [11:20:42] <jrj_> oh, sorry. i look only description in the
beginning...
914 [11:20:51] <alkisg> apt is the newer version of apt-get
915 [11:20:57] <alkisg> They're the same tool, just newer
version
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922 [11:25:04] <Scytale89> dist-upgrade /full-upgrade could be
dangerous in testing/unstable. Read the output of upgrade and then
decide to dist-upgrade/full-upgrade
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927 [11:29:27] <Scytale89> other than: other rolling release
disros are not more stable than debian testing imo. But if you are
unsure, stick to stable as there is no other distro this stable
928 [11:29:35] <jrj_> so, i read mans. and reason is
linux-image-amd64 - is metapackage which affects real kernel
package. and thats why apt-get will not change it with upgrade
command, right?
929 [11:29:59] <jrj_> and apt upgrade will
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933 [11:33:45] <jrj_> alkisg: thanks for pointing me. my bad not
to read about "upgrade" command description.
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943 [11:40:26] <alkisg> jrj_: apt-get update doesn't install
new packages, yeah, that's why
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951 [11:44:58] <michael2> alkisg: did you mean `apt-get
upgrade' doesn't install new packages?
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953 [11:45:58] <alkisg> yeah, sorry
954 [11:46:11] <alkisg> multitasking too much :)
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994 [12:14:15] <debtesterr> What's up with that my PC wont
boot into Linux when I run my overclock profile on the CPU? When I
load optimized defaults instead it works okay. The error message
dissappears too quickly, but it said something about "Hardware
error".
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997 [12:16:44] <RoyK> debtesterr: then I can only guess
you've overclocked it so much it generate a hardware error ;)
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1000 [12:17:27] <debtesterr> RoyK: Yeah it's at a pretty
aggressive clock speed, 5ghz, but why wouldn't it boot though?
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1002 [12:18:47] <debtesterr> Works fine booting windows
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1004 [12:19:05] <RoyK> debtesterr: if the system is so overclocked
it generates hardware errors, no, it shouldn't - dunno what
windows does about it though
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1006 [12:20:01] <RoyK> debtesterr: if you want to dig more into
it, setup netconsole so that everything printed before it gives up,
is sent to another machine in addition to the terminal/monitor
1007 [12:20:09] <RoyK> !netconsole
1008 [12:20:10] <dpkg> netconsole is a Linux kernel driver which
logs kernel <printk> messages over UDP. It is commonly used to
capture system crash information.
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1011 [12:21:01] <debtesterr> I probably want to resolve this, its
annyoing changing clock profile all the time
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1015 [12:22:21] <RoyK> debtesterr: then start with setting up
netconsole - all you need is some other computer
1016 [12:23:32] <debtesterr> Anyways, another question I have is
how display drivers works in debian, do I need to download any? Also
I have a 2nd screen which isnt being detected
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1020 [12:24:53] <RoyK> it should work out of the box, but again, I
mostly use debian on servers - others will probably know more
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1025 [12:26:01] <iTeV> Hi folks, does someone have any clue why I
cant enable the `dm_mirror` kernel module/
1026 [12:26:08] <BCMM> debtesterr: open-source drivers are
generally available out-of-the-box, unless you have a weirdly
minimal install of X
1027 [12:26:10] <iTeV> Im getting a "exec format error'
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1029 [12:26:34] <BCMM> debtesterr: however, (separately from
drivers) your graphics card might need firmware from non-free to
perform properly
1030 [12:26:49] <BCMM> debtesterr: proprietary graphics drivers
are also available from non-free, and must be enabled manually
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1078 [12:52:06] <Meerkat> "Could not connect to
debian.lth.se:80 (130.235.34.30). - connect (111: Connection
refused)"
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1080 [12:52:20] <Meerkat> How and where can I change the server to
a working one?
1081 [12:52:28] <Meerkat> from apt-get btw
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1084 [12:54:44] <iTeV> in /etc/apt/sources.list or a file in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/
1085 [12:54:56] <BCMM> Meerkat: these days, debian has a CDN that
will automatically get you a good server
1086 [12:55:32] <BCMM> Meerkat:
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1087 [12:55:48] <BCMM> Meerkat: but in short, just use
deb.debian.org as your mirror in sources.list
1088 [12:56:27] <michael2> Ive got a similar problem. Im trying to
install stretch using the netinstaller over a wifi connection (my
adapter needs the non-free firmware) I keep getting this error:
1089 [12:56:36] <michael2> [Bad archive mirror]
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1092 [12:57:50] <michael2> Ive chosen a few mirrors and they all
cause the same error - Im wondering if its because I have a bad wifi
connection?
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1100 [13:00:54] <Meerkat> It's working now. Thank you!
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1102 [13:01:55] <michael2> does anyone know, what "proceed
without a mirror" means?
1103 [13:02:31] <michael2> does that mean the install just copies
the packages on the netinstaller USB to the harddisk?
1104 [13:02:55] <michael2> or does the installer just use another
apt source?
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1120 [13:14:56] <themill> michael2: the former -- only what is
already on your install disk is available
1121 [13:15:51] <michael2> can I recover - I mean build up a full
system from that minimal install?
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1123 [13:16:58] <michael2> I've been reading that its not
possible/very unreliable to try and install from the netinstaller
when all you have available is wifi, and no ethernet connection
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1126 [13:17:55] <themill> sure all you need to do is edit
/etc/apt/sources.list, apt update, apt install things
1127 [13:18:22] <themill> If you're reliant on wifi for that
apt update, then you would need to get your wifi working first
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1129 [13:19:17] <michael2> will all the packages (that the
netinstaller would have installed) be marked for apt/dpkg - or will
I need to mark them manually?
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1131 [13:21:27] <themill> you can run tasksel yourself
1132 [13:22:08] <michael2> I've never heard of tasksel
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1150 [13:32:04] <furrymcgee> can you define custom tasks with
tasksel?
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1169 [13:45:59] <michael2> does anyone know the command in debian
for checking if a network interface is up ? the equivalent of
`ifconfig'?
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1176 [13:47:56] <furrymcgee> michael2: do you know ip command?
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1178 [13:49:24] <michael2> furrymcgee: no, is that the main
command to query and manage a network interface in debian?
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1182 [13:52:15] <Exagone313> michael2: ip addr
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1185 [13:52:44] <michael2> Exagone313: nice, thanks!
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1187 [13:52:57] <lembron> well... vps hangs during boot, after
ehci-pci platform driver, ohci_hcd USB open host controller and
freezes. no idea what direction to search in even...
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1189 [13:53:18] <lembron> i want to blame my hoster for moving my
vm to a diffrent host that broke it, but not sure...
1190 [13:54:14] <lembron> tried all sorts of noapci and module
blacklisting, but nothing is getting me any further than that line
:(
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1198 [13:59:51] <michael2> everytime I try to download a non-free
live installer with gnome, which is a 2.5GB download the download
fails -usually because a bad byte is received, does anyone know a
workaround for this problem?
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1200 [14:00:38] <michael2> the main installer doesn't have a
problem with this because there is a torrent option - but I
can't find a torrent option for the non-free installers
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1210 [14:07:13] <michael2> ah, the torrent downloads are in the
'bt' directory, doh!
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1231 [14:21:19] <Scytale89> the hardest thing about debian is to
find the correct ISO :D
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1242 [14:27:07] <nullbyte_> !bat
1243 [14:27:07] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1251 [14:29:54] <nullbyte_> jelly, hi
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1262 [14:34:38] <nullbyte_> who can help
1263 [14:34:57] <nullbyte_> The following information may help to
resolve the situation:
1264 [14:35:18] <nullbyte_> cuda : Depends: cuda-9-1 (>=
9.1.85) but it is not going to be installed, E: Unable to correct
problems, you have held broken packages.
1265 [14:35:21] <nullbyte_> how to fix it
1266 [14:35:29] <nullbyte_> everything is fine in my system
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1268 [14:37:39] <dvs> ,v cuda
1269 [14:37:40] <judd> No package named 'cuda' was found
in amd64.
1270 [14:37:44] <dvs> Hmmm....
1271 [14:37:51] <dvs> that could be the problem
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1278 [14:40:39] <nullbyte_> no i have installed it manually
1279 [14:40:44] <nullbyte_> wiht dpkg :)
1280 [14:40:52] <nullbyte_> and it adds repos to conf apt files
1281 [14:41:03] <nullbyte_> and after apt-get update i need to use
apt-get install cuda
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1284 [14:41:06] <nullbyte_> but fails
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1290 [14:41:51] <nullbyte_> who knows?
1291 [14:41:52] <dvs> !frankendebian
1292 [14:41:52] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
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1300 [14:49:37] <michael2> Ive just installed stretch using the
netinstaller - I couldn't get connected to the wifi during the
install so I only have the very minimal install (bash prompt at a
linux terminal) I've connected to wifi now and run apt-get
update. does anyone know the command to get apt to continue
installing the packages the netinstaller would have installed if it
was connected?
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1306 [14:52:19] <jimm> the package groups are called tasks and I
think you can run tasksel
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1309 [14:54:51] <michael2> running `sudo tasksel
--list-tasks' or just `tasksel' by itself gives no output
1310 [14:54:52] <jimm> dpkg, oh, thanks a lot :P
1311 [14:54:53] <dpkg> jimm: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
1312 [14:55:58] <jimm> how are you logged in as root?
1313 [14:56:09] <jimm> oh, you use sudo, I see
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1315 [14:56:35] <jimm> try: ssh -X root@localhost
1316 [14:56:53] <jimm> then type your password... then run tasksel
1317 [14:57:02] <jimm> (no args)
1318 [14:58:17] <jimm> wait, that might not be right
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1320 [14:58:25] <jimm> testing...
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1323 [15:00:17] <rant> why would you need to use ssh for any of
this? :P
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1325 [15:00:48] <michael2> running `sudo tasksel --task-packages
desktop' prints:
1326 [15:00:53] <michael2> task-desktop
1327 [15:01:01] <joepublic> other than smooth clever solution
points, which that has for sure...
1328 [15:01:24] <michael2> can I run that task?
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1332 [15:02:03] <rant> michael2: you can just manually specify
what you'd like to install on the apt commandline. Do you have
a preference of which desktop to install?
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1338 [15:03:28] <michael2> sure, I can specify at command line. i
was wanting to install gnome desktop
1339 [15:03:38] <joepublic> michael2 would `sudo tasksel` not give
you a list to choose from?
1340 [15:03:53] <michael2> sudo tasksel - does nothing
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1342 [15:04:09] <michael2> neither does tasksel --list-tasks
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1344 [15:04:26] <rant> michael2: something like apt-get install
xorg lightdm mate-desktop-environment swapping out lightdm or
mate-desktop-environment for any alternatives you wish to use
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1346 [15:04:48] <BCMM> michael2: define "does nothing" -
command not found? prompt returns immediately? hangs indefinitely?
prompt returns with no output after serveral seconds?
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1348 [15:05:49] <jimm> michael2, you can try... apt install
task-desktop
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1352 [15:06:24] <michael2> BCMM: when I run command `sudo
tasksel' no output is printed. shell just starts another prompt
- tasksel exit code is `0'
1353 [15:06:25] <jimm> if you want the desktop task
1354 [15:06:28] <rant> or task-foo-desktop where foo is the
desktop you want
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1356 [15:06:51] <rant> task-gnome-desktop | task-xfce-desktop |
task-kde-desktop | task-lxde-desktop | task-cinnamon-desktop |
task-mate-desktop | task-lxqt-desktop being options
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1359 [15:07:13] <rant> you can of course install more than one if
you like
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1361 [15:07:46] <joepublic> with more than one, you select the one
you want to experience at your display manager's login screen.
1362 [15:08:07] <rant> tasksel not working as expected is curious
but its hardly very pertinent to getting the system further
installed, there are other ways
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1364 [15:08:48] <rant> the big question nobody is asking is about
your sources.list apt-cache policy to verify that you have proper
source before doing ANY of this
1365 [15:09:02] <rant> if you aborted the installer at some point
you may not have a full sources.list
1366 [15:09:17] <michael2> rant: Ive checked /etc/apt/sources.list
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1368 [15:09:37] <joepublic> I was waiting for a report of
"unable to locate package so and so"
1369 [15:10:13] <jimm> if that's the case, you could show us
your sources.list by doing this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc
termbin.com 9999
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1371 [15:10:22] <michael2> jimm: `sudo apt-get install
task-desktop' prints
1372 [15:10:36] <michael2> E: unable to locate package
task-desktop
1373 [15:10:41] <jimm> and then showing us the url
1374 [15:10:45] <michael2> joepublic: ^
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1376 [15:11:06] <rant> michael2: apt install task-gnome-desktop
should resolve your issue if you have proper sources, if you want us
to help with the sources do as jimm suggested with either your
sources.list or apt-cache policy | nc termbin.com 9999
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1378 [15:11:16] <dvs> ,v task-deskop
1379 [15:11:17] <judd> No package named 'task-deskop'
was found in amd64.
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1382 [15:11:21] <jimm> oh ok... well, which desktop do you want?
1383 [15:11:24] <dvs> ,v task-desktop
1384 [15:11:25] <judd> Package: task-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.14.1; jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; stretch: 3.39; buster: 3.43; sid: 3.43
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1386 [15:12:22] <jimm> kde? gnome? lxde? xfce?
1387 [15:12:29] <jimm> something else?
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1389 [15:12:35] <michael2> rant: the laptop only has a minial
install - `nc' is not installed
1390 [15:12:38] <BCMM> michael2: what version of debian are you
using? and have you ever done apt-get update?
1391 [15:12:43] <joepublic> jimm, michael2 said he was seeking to
install gnome
1392 [15:12:43] <michael2> jimm: gnome
1393 [15:12:54] <michael2> BC
1394 [15:12:54] <jimm> you want gnome... ok,
1395 [15:13:14] <michael2> BCMM: yes I've apt-get updated
1396 [15:13:22] <jimm> apt install task-gnome-desktop
1397 [15:13:25] <rant> michael2: yeah its not installed on my
system either. and I have a full mate install. you could install it
with apt install netcat
1398 [15:13:35] <rant> but if your repos arent right that isnt
gonna work
1399 [15:13:38] <quarterback> Hello, I'm trying to setup
audio in debian stretch 9.4 . I have a Realtek ALC662 audio chip. In
settings-->Sound, I see two audio adapters. Built-in audio and
Output to built in audio. How to enable audio to hear any sounds?
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1401 [15:14:04] <jimm> oh, that too... maybe install netcat first
1402 [15:14:31] <quarterback> rant, Do you have time to take a
look?
1403 [15:14:35] <rant> michael2: are you on IRC from this machine?
1404 [15:14:46] <rant> quarterback: its the weekend I got nothing
but time :P
1405 [15:14:50] <michael2> rant: `apt-get install netcat'
prints [E: pacakge 'netcat' has no insallation candidate]
1406 [15:14:53] <quarterback> Right now, there is only noise
coming out of the headphone audio jack.
1407 [15:15:07] <michael2> rant: no im IRC'ing from another
machine
1408 [15:15:10] <quarterback> rant, Oh, sweet.
1409 [15:15:49] <jimm> ok, show us: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | wc
-l
1410 [15:15:54] <rant> michael2: then yes your sources aren't
right.. first check ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and see if there
are any files in there (shouldnt be)
1411 [15:16:02] <jimm> # using cat that way for a reason
1412 [15:16:12] <joepublic> michael2, your /etc/apt/sources.list
contains a line such as deb
replaced-url
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1414 [15:16:45] <quarterback> rant, Why is the output of both
audio jacks contain only noise? I have one on front, another on rear
of the pc cabinet.
1415 [15:16:57] <quarterback> does* for is
1416 [15:16:59] <michael2> rant: /etc/apt/sources.list.d is empty
1417 [15:17:02] <joepublic> Gee for mine wc tells me
"60"
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1419 [15:17:31] <jimm> but you should also have
/etc/apt/sources.list, right?
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1421 [15:18:03] <rant> michael2: sudo echo -e "deb
replaced-url
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1423 [15:18:27] <rant> michael2: that'll write you a brand
new sources list with proper stretch sources, update your cache and
install your gnome task
1424 [15:18:40] <jimm> michael2, test -e /etc/apt/sources.list
&& echo yes || echo no
1425 [15:18:44] <quarterback> rant, I'm looking at
replaced-url
1426 [15:19:16] <michael2> joepublic: rant: jimm: my
/etc/apt/sources.list only contains
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1428 [15:20:01] <michael2> deb
replaced-url
1429 [15:20:08] <oo_miguel> I do not understand why after
installing kriga midnight commander uses it to open pdf file (when i
press enter). instead of xpdf or evince?
1430 [15:20:16] <jimm> michael2, and that's it?
1431 [15:20:17] <oo_miguel> s/kriga/krita
1432 [15:20:25] <michael2> deb-src
replaced-url
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1434 [15:20:48] <michael2> jimm: yes, thats it (and the commented
out deb cd-rom)
1435 [15:21:01] <jimm> just those two lines...
1436 [15:21:09] <rant> quarterback: well your sound should've
been auto detected. go to paste.debian.net and paste the output of
aplay -L and give us the url
1437 [15:21:11] <joepublic> michael2: rant's large command
with the &&s will fix that.
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1439 [15:21:44] <jimm> michael2, which version of debian did you
install? 9"?
1440 [15:21:45] <BCMM> michael2: not being able to install any
packages is pretty much expected behaviour under those
circumstances... add an actual debian mirror
1441 [15:21:55] <michael2> jimm: 9.4
1442 [15:22:59] <jimm> there's that echo command they gave
above
1443 [15:23:03] <michael2> BCMM: yeah adding the mirror is the
part the installer errored out at
1444 [15:23:22] <jimm> rant gave it
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1446 [15:23:53] <jimm> do you have nano?"
1447 [15:24:00] <quarterback> rant, I am looking at this page
replaced-url
1448 [15:24:13] <michael2> jimm: rant: yes Im in the process of
(manually typing in) rants deb lines (at least the ones I don't
have)
1449 [15:25:02] <michael2> jimm: I never checked if nano installed
- this install has vim
1450 [15:25:04] <quarterback> rant, Here is the output of aplay -L
as root :
replaced-url
1451 [15:25:05] <jimm> let's give it to you in shorter chunks
1452 [15:25:20] <michael2> jimm: (well vim.tiny anyway)
1453 [15:25:44] <jimm> you have vim.tiny?
1454 [15:26:04] <michael2> jimm: yeah, the installed added it
1455 [15:26:17] <jimm> ok
1456 [15:26:29] <michael2> s/installed/installer/
1457 [15:26:30] <jimm> let me separate those for you
1458 [15:27:09] <quarterback> rant, Does that make any sense or
you see any fault in sound configuration?
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1460 [15:28:42] <rant> quarterback: that was only the first step
that tells me your hardware is detected, drivers are loaded, and the
base sound config is pointing in the right place and you dont seem
to have pulseaudio or such.. gimme one second..
1461 [15:28:50] <jimm> michael2, (as root or using sudo): echo
"deb
replaced-url
1462 [15:28:57] <jimm> (more coming)
1463 [15:28:59] <joepublic> the "security.debian.org"
sources have a limited selection of patched packages that compliment
the full selection; if you have only the security packages in your
sources.list then that is, if not "the" problem, at least
"a" problem.
1464 [15:29:10] <quarterback> rant,
replaced-url
1465 [15:30:07] <jimm> michael2, sudo echo "deb
replaced-url
1466 [15:30:53] <rant> quarterback: next you want to check
alsamixer and make sure none of the channels are muted (showing MM
on the bottom) particularly the main/pcm ones
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1469 [15:31:35] <jimm> michael2, be sure you type those accurately
1470 [15:31:36] <rant> quarterback: and also the command groups
(as your user) to verify that the user is in the audio group
1471 [15:31:59] <quarterback> rant, I did type adduser amit audio
1472 [15:32:09] <jimm> michael2, when done, sudo apt update
1473 [15:32:22] <themill> btw "sudo" and
"echo" aren't a useful combination ;)
1474 [15:32:28] <rant> quarterback: yes well you still want to
veryfiy with id or groups as the group perms may not have taken
affect
1475 [15:32:43] <quarterback> rant, alsamixer seems to show only
one thing - pulse audio, there is only one channel in it.
1476 [15:33:02] <quarterback> rant, How to do that?
1477 [15:33:07] <jimm> quarterback, you might have to log out and
log back in again to see the change in your groups
1478 [15:33:10] <rant> quarterback: just type id or groups as your
user
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1481 [15:33:31] <rant> quarterback: if you dont see audio there,
then as jimm says you need to relog
1482 [15:33:51] <michael2> jimm: ive typed your list of commands
and apt has launched off into a 925MB download!
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1484 [15:34:07] <michael2> rant:
1485 [15:34:13] <rant> quarterback: you press F6 in the alsamixer
to change to your sound card
1486 [15:34:21] <michael2> rant: ^
1487 [15:34:32] <jimm> michael2, ok, and you did apt update?
1488 [15:34:47] <michael2> jimm: yes
1489 [15:34:55] <quarterback> rant, I did , I selected hardware
sound card, yet it reverts to pulse audio.
1490 [15:35:10] <jimm> michael2, what did you do after that?
1491 [15:35:42] <quarterback> rant, After selecting sound card by
pressing F6 in alsamixer, it reverts to card: pulseaudio, chip:pulse
audio.
1492 [15:35:46] <rant> quarterback: thats fine we're not
worried about what card is selected just looking to read the
hardware and not pulseaudio's mixer levels.. you want to make
sure the realtek's master, pcm, headphone or w/e is showing 00
and not MM at the bottom and that the volume is up
1493 [15:35:56] <quarterback> rant, This is when I exit alsamixer
by pressing ESC
1494 [15:36:17] <quarterback> rant, All levels are up in alsamixer
1495 [15:36:18] <rant> quarterback: F6 should show you a list
which includes your Realtek device
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1498 [15:36:41] <rant> quarterback: the levels arent all thats
important.. if it says MM and not 00 at the bottom then the channel
is muted and level is irrelevant
1499 [15:37:32] <quarterback> rant, The vertical bar shows 00 at
the bottom, even when I change levels in each bar. The change in
level is shown by another number at the bottom.
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1502 [15:38:01] <jimm> michael2, ok, I think you have a good
/etc/apt/sources.list now; at some point you might want to get
netcat
1503 [15:38:02] <michael2> jimm: after i added the deb sources you
gave and updated local index, I ran `sudo apt-get install
task-gnome-desktop' triggered a huge download of packages
1504 [15:38:15] <quarterback> rant, There is no MM in any vertical
bar in alsa mixer.
1505 [15:38:43] <jimm> ohh, that's gonna be awhile to
download all that :)
1506 [15:38:55] <rant> quarterback: ok then your issues may be
with pulseaudio or something else higher-level as the hardware seems
to be working. you can verify this by trying a low-level sound test
or tell me what you've tried to use sound with and if there
were any errors or simply no sound
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1510 [15:39:31] <quarterback> rant, The sound card setting changes
in alsamixer to pulse audio even after i select a card pressing F6
and then pressing ESC for exit.
1511 [15:39:57] <quarterback> rant, How to do a low level sound
test?
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1513 [15:40:57] <michael2> jimm: yeah it seemed to me there was a
duplication of sources in the deb lines you gave,
"stretch-updates" coming out of both
replaced-url
1514 [15:41:37] <rant> quarterback: aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav try that first as your user then as
root
1515 [15:41:48] <rant> quarterback: let me know if you hear
anything or get any errors
1516 [15:41:56] <michael2> jimm: rant: sorry I mean in the lines
rant gave me to add to my apt sources
1517 [15:42:14] <quarterback> rant, Sound seems to be up now, I
hear sound in a youtube video. There is still accompanying noise
which is at the same level as other sound.
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1519 [15:42:19] <jimm> we'll fix that later
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1521 [15:42:46] <jimm> if it's downloading
task-gnome-desktop, it's basically working
1522 [15:42:50] <dvs> michael2, the first
"security/updates" was there before.
1523 [15:42:59] <quarterback> rant, That wav file played
1524 [15:43:16] <rant> jimm: your use of a double redirec >>
would fubar a source.list without a trailing newline I used > and
specified all sources for that reason using echo -e with \n newlines
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1526 [15:43:27] <quarterback> rant, I could hear sound with the
file on command line.
1527 [15:43:28] <dvs> quarterback, I bet speaker-test is still
running.
1528 [15:43:34] <rant> quarterback: as your user?
1529 [15:43:39] <jimm> there should be an executable called
speaker-test
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1532 [15:43:53] <quarterback> rant, As a normal user. Let me try
that as root as well.
1533 [15:44:02] <rant> quarterback: not important if its working
as user
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1536 [15:44:33] <rant> quarterback: so the problem is either
pulseaudio or the application you were trying to use.. which
application were you trying to get sound from that led you to think
it wasnt working, and were there any errors?
1537 [15:44:36] <quarterback> dvs, I now execute speaker-test. I
hear only noise in both speakers ( of my headphones )
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1539 [15:45:01] <dvs> quarterback, that's correct.
that's what it should do
1540 [15:45:04] <quarterback> rant, There is some background noise
always present while playing any audio file.
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1542 [15:45:26] <dvs> quarterback, use the "-c wav"
option if you want nicer output.
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1544 [15:45:40] <dvs> i mean "-t wav"
1545 [15:45:46] <michael2> dvs: rant: yeah I already had one of
the lines rant gave - also there is a difference in the deb lines.
the deb.debian.org is "stretch-updates" and the
security.debian.org release is "stretch/updates" - I think
1546 [15:46:14] <dvs> michael2, keep the
"deb.debian.org" line
1547 [15:46:25] <rant> michael2: yes you want 3 lines, all three
that I specified.. one is the main repo, one is security and one is
volitile updates
1548 [15:46:45] <dvs> michael2, oops sorry, those are two
different repos. Keep then both.
1549 [15:46:47] <quarterback> dvs, Now I hear a human speaker
saying "Front left"
1550 [15:47:01] <dvs> quarterback, so speaker-test worked.
1551 [15:47:02] <rant> michael2: sudo echo -e "deb
replaced-url
1552 [15:47:21] <rant> that's an all-encompassing solution,
it writes a brand new sources list, updates cache and installs your
desktop
1553 [15:47:25] <themill> rant: sudo+echo is meaningless
1554 [15:47:29] <quarterback> dvs, There is always some background
noise which is present while playing the speaker-test with -t wav
option.
1555 [15:47:45] <rant> themill: really?
1556 [15:48:02] <themill> rant: if the user is already root, it
does nothing, if the user isn't root then you'll just get
permission denied.
1557 [15:48:03] <michael2> rant: I think the sudo won't apply
past the >
1558 [15:48:27] <quarterback> rant, The front audio jack produces
noise, the rear audio jack doesn't produce noise. This seems to
be the problem.
1559 [15:48:30] <rant> michael2: alright, well then just become
root and omit all the sudo crap :P sudo su first if you have to :P
1560 [15:48:30] <michael2> for the sudo to apply you might need
sudo { .... }
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1562 [15:49:32] <rant> quarterback: you may have a hardware issue
then, like a broken jack, or somewhere the cables running to it are
improperly grounded or something
1563 [15:50:14] <quarterback> rant, Seems like a grounding issue.
I can hear music in a youtube video. Still voice level is somewhat
low.
1564 [15:50:15] <michael2> rant: I the vim.tiny editor has all the
vi commands, so i just opened the existing file and did `yy' to
copy the exisiting lines and then just changed the parts as needed
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1566 [15:50:44] <dvs> michael2, so what does the sources.list say
now?
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1568 [15:51:20] <michael2> dvs: ill try run a nc command and
pastebin it for you
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1570 [15:51:45] <quarterback> rant, In sound settings, I see three
output devices (which are probably virtual devices) : Line out,
built in audio and Simultaneous output to built in audio. Which
should be chosen?
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1574 [15:52:33] <quarterback> rant, Sound level is low, sounds are
audible at max sound settings.
1575 [15:53:00] <rant> quarterback: your sound card just may lack
an adequate amplifier for unamplified headphones
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1577 [15:53:14] <quarterback> rant, Probably.
1578 [15:53:21] <rant> many cheap sound codec chips have no
amplifier
1579 [15:53:54] <quarterback> rant, This is a cheap board
actually, I built this pc for less than $100 with a core2duo
processor.
1580 [15:54:47] <quarterback> rant, In sound settings, which
option should be chosen? line out or built-in audio?
1581 [15:54:53] <rant> quarterback: yeah.. I've done it more
than a few times myself. typically they output enough to be heard
with nothing more than headphones but particularly if you have some
larger headphones which have a lot of resistance, an unamplified
line is gonna be weak
1582 [15:55:21] <rant> quarterback: whatever you have setup is
fine.. its working. Line out is usually unamplified
1583 [15:55:43] <quarterback> rant, Okay, sound seems to be high
now after I go over 100% in sound volume level setting.
1584 [15:56:03] <rant> quarterback: yes pulse-audio will let you
go beyond 100% it software aplified
1585 [15:56:07] <quarterback> rant, Quality of sound seems fine
too.
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1588 [15:57:37] <rant> quarterback: I'd recommend buying a
cheap pair of speakers with a headphone jack.. that'll not only
give you amplification but will get around your faulty front jack by
giving you a new one on the speakers that you can plug into your
working rear jack
1589 [15:57:43] <quarterback> rant, If you are curious, this is
sound architecture in linux :
replaced-url
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1592 [15:58:27] <rant> quarterback: I'm aware of many sound
architectures in linux.. I been using it for over 15 years.. fooled
with OSS, ALSA, ESD, Pulseaudio, etc..
1593 [15:58:39] <quarterback> rant, I've connected it a
woofer system. Sound is coming fine.
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1605 [16:01:25] <quarterback> rant, Appreciate your hints and
help!
1606 [16:01:38] <jimm> michael2, well it's just something
that's specific about termbin.com on port 9999, the program
that listens there wants to hear from nc
1607 [16:02:07] <jimm> I like it because you can pastebin any
linux command output
1608 [16:02:08] <michael2> dvs: I tried to install netcat so I
could termbin you the sources.list file - but the big
task-gnome-desktop is still running (currently unpacking and
installing the packages its downloaded)
1609 [16:02:17] <quarterback> is there any sound equalizer in
linux?
1610 [16:02:28] <jimm> is it still downloading?
1611 [16:02:28] <dvs> ok
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1616 [16:03:59] <michael2> jimm: yeah that paste nc one liner is
handy - download seems done - and dpkg installing it seems
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1618 [16:04:13] <michael2> but I can
1619 [16:04:36] <quarterback> rant, How to enable bass in the
sound system?
1620 [16:04:52] <jimm> yeah, if it's installing the packages,
you shouldn't interrupt that
1621 [16:05:00] <michael2> _cant_ install netcat in another
terminal - because apt/dpkg have a lock file
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1623 [16:05:10] <jimm> if it was still downloading them, you could
interrupt that
1624 [16:05:24] <dvs> jimm, no, it's installing.
1625 [16:05:50] <michael2> [processing triggers...]
1626 [16:06:02] <jimm> yep, there's a lock
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1628 [16:06:35] <jimm> (because dpkg doesn't know how to
install two things at once)
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1632 [16:08:13] <rant> quarterback: apt install
pulseaudio-equalizer
1633 [16:08:26] <michael2> I thought netcat might have just been
installed as part of the gnome-desktop task
1634 [16:08:55] <rant> quarterback: then pactl load-module
module-dbus-protocol && qpaeq
1635 [16:09:30] <rant> quarterback: will let you adjust an
equalizer for all applications using pulseaudio
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1637 [16:10:12] <debron> Hello guys. I have debian Buster in my
system, last 2 days i keep getting packages to autoremove because
not being used anymore. I am quite confused about this, why is this
happening? haven't removed anything manually, so, why them got
installed in the first time, and why the system suggest me to remove
them now? one of these packages is mysql-common, for example. Its
true that I have installed postgresql,
1638 [16:10:15] <debron> but that's reason enought to delete
mysql-common?
1639 [16:10:28] <quarterback> rant, Thanks
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1641 [16:11:25] <rant> debron: Buster is supported on OFTC in
#debian-next and in your example postgresql may have removed another
DB and therefor auto-installed deps of that other DB that was
removed are now orphaned and no longer required
1642 [16:11:42] <quarterback> rant, There is no package called
pulseaudio-equalizer in debian
1643 [16:11:56] <debron> Aaah rant
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1645 [16:12:06] <rant> ,v pulseaudio-equalizer
1646 [16:12:07] <judd> Package: pulseaudio-equalizer on amd64 --
stretch: 10.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 11.1-5; sid: 11.1-5
1647 [16:12:14] <debron> but I haven't created any DB in
mysql, maybe was built-in?
1648 [16:12:18] <rant> quarterback: sure there is ^^
1649 [16:12:29] <debron> my debian system is quite new, I
installed it 2 days ago
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1652 [16:13:31] <michael2> rant: jim: dvs: gnome-desktop install
is now completed. I tried to install netcat to post the output of
source.list - but i've lost the network connection on that
machine. shall I just try reboot back into the graphical desktop
now?
1653 [16:13:50] <quarterback> rant, It works on ubuntu, not
debian.
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1655 [16:14:07] <dvs> michael2, yeah sure.
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1658 [16:14:37] <michael2> cool, rebooting...
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1660 [16:15:01] <rant> debron: there are any number of reasons why
the package may have been installede automatically and is no longer
required. check apt rdepends mysql-common to see a list of things
that may depend on it or check your package manager logs
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1662 [16:15:20] <dvs> debron, you installed stretch two days ago,
and you still went to buster?
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1677 [16:21:31] <rant> quarterback: idk what kind of crap
you're doing.. but this is a debian support channel, I'm
running debian 9.4 stretch, and I installed and tested that solution
before I suggested it to you
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1680 [16:21:47] <debron> dvs: yes, wanted newer kernel, installed
new kernel in stretch and later had problems trying to install
repository packages, since I am too newbie to fix it, and it was
still a recent installation, I just switched to a debian release
with higher kernel version
1681 [16:22:12] <debron> and now I have my integrated graphics
recognized and working, and no problems with packages...
1682 [16:22:20] <debron> coffe lake processor... too new shit :/
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1684 [16:22:35] <dvs> debron, yeah, you had the repository package
problems because you installed all the available packages from
backports.
1685 [16:22:37] <debron> but Buster is doing a great job for me!
1686 [16:22:49] <debron> dvs: yes, I did upgrade, stupidly
1687 [16:23:21] <debron> instead of just getting the kernel
1688 [16:23:29] <debron> i upgraded first, after adding backports
1689 [16:23:41] <debron> following a guide in the internet... damn
that guyç
1690 [16:23:42] <debron> lol
1691 [16:23:45] <debron> damn me, really
1692 [16:23:51] <dvs> debron, if you're running buster as a
newbie then you are going to have a rough time when problems crop
up.
1693 [16:24:34] <debron> ... well Im hoping this not happen often,
its testing, not unestable
1694 [16:24:54] <dvs> well, it has in the past.
1695 [16:25:06] <quarterback> rant, I typed apt-get install
pulseaudio-equalizer on debian stretch, it says package not found.
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1697 [16:25:52] <quarterback> rant, I got this error - E: Unable
to locate package pulseaudio-equalizer
1698 [16:26:07] <quarterback> It seems like a repository should be
added for this to work.
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1702 [16:26:46] <rant> like a debian main repository
1703 [16:27:12] <dvs> ,v pulseaudio-equalizer
1704 [16:27:13] <judd> Package: pulseaudio-equalizer on amd64 --
stretch: 10.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 11.1-5; sid: 11.1-5
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1708 [16:27:22] <dvs> yup
1709 [16:27:24] <quarterback> rant, I have added debian main
repository.
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1715 [16:27:53] <dvs> quarterback, either you didn't do an
"apt update" or it isn't the main repo
1716 [16:28:02] <quarterback> rant, I am running i386 version of
debian. I think its 32 bit.
1717 [16:28:08] <rant> quarterback: so am I
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1726 [16:29:59] <debron> dvs: If I got crazy in Buster I will
switch back to stretch and add the kernel without upgrading packages
for backports. But maybe its good for me staying in buster for now ,
maybe could learn something
1727 [16:30:00] <quarterback> still, I get the same error - unable
to locate package pulseaudio-equalizer
1728 [16:30:06] <camil_toughbook> hello
1729 [16:30:24] <dvs> debron, downgrading is not supported
1730 [16:30:30] <debron> reinstall
1731 [16:30:33] <rant>
replaced-url
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1736 [16:33:05] <camil_toughbook> testin4
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1747 [16:35:41] <quarterback> rant, Unable to locate package here
on my pc :/
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1749 [16:36:42] <rant> quarterback: its not that hard to figure
out.. either you have invalid sources or your cache is fubar.. you
want help, output apt-cache policy to paste.debian.net
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1760 [16:38:11] <michael2> rant: jimm: dvs: themill: BCMM:
rebooted and stretch with gnome-desktop is all installed and working
thanks for the help!
1761 [16:38:19] <BCMM> np
1762 [16:38:22] <dvs> yay
1763 [16:38:23] <quarterback> rant,
replaced-url
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1766 [16:38:52] <michael2> dvs: source.list output is here (if
you're still interested)
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1769 [16:39:03] <michael2>
replaced-url
1770 [16:39:14] <dvs> quarterback, yeah, there's onlly the
package in the cache: no external sources.
1771 [16:39:15] <u0_a81_> oh gtu
1772 [16:39:48] <rant> quarterback: according to that, you have no
sources in your cache.. so either you dont have anything in
/etc/apt/sources.list* or your cache is stale
1773 [16:40:02] <dvs> michael2, yeah, that looks good.
1774 [16:40:40] <quarterback> rant, I'm sure either of those.
1775 [16:41:20] <rant> quarterback: here is my sources.list you
can copy to /etc/apt/sources.list then apt-get update
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1778 [16:42:03] <dvs> quarterback, or michael2
replaced-url
1779 [16:42:04] <rant> quarterback: you can comment out or omit
the deb-src lines if you like, it'll speed up the cache update,
as its only needed for downloading source code packages
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1785 [16:43:40] <quarterback> rant, I'm in India, I can post
the sources.list I have on my pc. I don't have the security deb
sources in my sources.list.
1786 [16:44:19] <michael2> dvs: ok thanks
1787 [16:44:25] <rant> quarterback: according to apt-cache policy
you have no sources at all
1788 [16:44:42] <rant> quarterback: those are the official debian
sources, and deb.debian.org will find a mirror suitable for you
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1790 [16:44:51] <u0_a81_> any one share dork new
1791 [16:45:11] <michael2> rant: cool, thanks
1792 [16:45:11] <quarterback> rant, I had only added regional
mirrors in my sources list. Seems like they are not updating those
mirrors in India.
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1794 [16:45:37] <remy> whats the best *.nzb downloader you know ?
1795 [16:45:48] <rant> quarterback: yes well I'd try the ones
I am using as they are the official sources, if those dont work we
could try something else
1796 [16:46:20] <u0_a81_> help to search web vuln
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1798 [16:47:14] <quarterback> rant, Seems like adding pulse audio
repository totally screwed up my sources.list. I always see it
looking to update pulse audio repository I added from a ubuntu
website. Stupid I think.
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1800 [16:47:36] <dvs> -_-
1801 [16:47:40] <remy> anyone?
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1804 [16:48:02] <rant> quarterback: yes that was a bad idea
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1808 [16:49:34] <quarterback> rant, This is output of apt-get
update:
replaced-url
1809 [16:49:46] <rant> quarterback: paste the output of this
command: dpkg -l apt base-files base-passwd bash coreutils dash
debian-archive-keyring debianutils dpkg libc6 linux-image-686 login
lsb-base man-db manpages multiarch-support perl python systemd
tzdata ucf udev util-linux zlib1g | egrep ^.i | awk '{print $2
": " $3 " " $4 }'
1810 [16:50:17] <rant> quarterback: for the purposes of seeing if
whatever you did has irreversibly caused your system's base to
be screwed up
1811 [16:51:44] <quarterback> rant,
replaced-url
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1813 [16:53:20] <quarterback> rant, brb in about 20 minutes
1814 [16:53:22] <rant> quarterback: that matches mine.. so none of
your really important packages have been changed... if you just
remove those repos you will probably be fine
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1987 [18:23:08] <laurus> When I start up my machine, I now hear a
quick burst of loud white noise. Now when I try to play any audio
file, I hear that same white noise. It's the same no matter
what I do with any volume settings. Any ideas?
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1994 [18:25:55] <jelly> laurus: which debian release? what output
are you using for audio?
1995 [18:26:08] <laurus> Hello jelly. Debian Stretch. Speakers
output :P
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1997 [18:26:29] <jelly> so, analog output, not hdmi
1998 [18:26:36] <laurus> jelly: Ah yes.
1999 [18:26:41] <laurus> (Sorry, not an audio expert.)
2000 [18:27:00] <jelly> did sound ever work right on this machine?
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2002 [18:27:03] <laurus> It's just solid white noise, at a
constant volume
2003 [18:27:20] <laurus> Yes, it has been working up until this
reboot. I have no idea what changed! Maybe some kind of update
messed it up.
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2010 [18:29:03] <laurus> The constant static at constant volume
makes me think there's just a simple setting that got messed
up.
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2013 [18:30:34] <laurus> OK, I just found that when I did
"sudo rmmod snd_hda_intel; sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel"
and then played an audio file, I heard one small pop and then
silence. But after that when I loaded pulseaudio, now the static has
resumed.
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2017 [18:31:35] <laurus> And when I start up pulseaudio I get that
static burst that I heard when starting up my computer.
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2022 [18:33:01] <jelly> laurus: what does "uname -r"
say?
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2025 [18:33:18] <laurus> jelly: 4.9.0-6-amd64
2026 [18:33:23] <laurus> That's the kernel I'm running,
correct?
2027 [18:33:46] <jelly> if it's the current 4.9.0-6-amd64,
see if booting an older 4.9.0-5-amd64 ABI kernel makes sound work
again
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2029 [18:33:59] <laurus> Interesting, how do I downgrade it like
that?
2030 [18:34:12] <jelly> just pick the older kernel in boot menu
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2032 [18:34:29] <laurus> OK let me try that. Be right back.
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2041 [18:36:17] <laurus> jelly: unfortunately that didn't fix
it. exact same situation.
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2044 [18:36:26] <laurus> I feel like some configuration file
probably got changed somehow, somewhere...
2045 [18:36:58] <laurus> Like, there are some of files in
.config/pulse that I certainly never put there, might they be
causing the problem?
2046 [18:37:12] <laurus> And why doesn't the audio work
anymore when pulseaudio is disabled? I feel like that's
different now too.
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2055 [18:39:35] <jelly> laurus: if pulseaudio is stopped you can
remove the whole ~/.pulse/ directory
2056 [18:39:48] <jelly> but first make alsa work on its own
2057 [18:39:57] <laurus> jelly: OK. Do you think it's the
modprobe.d alsa options?
2058 [18:40:01] <laurus> (that are causing this issue)
2059 [18:40:13] <jelly> did you change any?
2060 [18:40:23] <laurus> Originally when I set up this machine I
had to put a setting in there.
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2063 [18:40:27] <laurus> But I haven't touched it in months.
2064 [18:40:47] <jelly> it might be unneeded perhaps
2065 [18:40:51] <laurus> OK
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2072 [18:41:51] <laurus> I wonder what caused this.
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2092 [18:46:19] <laurus> Thanks jelly
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2094 [18:46:26] <laurus> I think I'll just give up for a
while
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2115 [18:52:56] <laurus> jelly: OK I think I foudn the problem.
The "Capture" of Headset Mic is set to CAPTURE.
2116 [18:53:01] <laurus> How do I disable it?
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2122 [18:54:45] <jelly> that's just a choice, which input to
use when recording. Should have no effect on playback. (There should
be a separate mixer to control volume of audio coming from that
input)
2123 [18:54:54] <laurus> Oh OK.
2124 [18:54:55] <laurus> :(
2125 [18:54:58] <laurus> Any other ideas?
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2133 [18:56:05] <jelly> um, ask in #alsa maybe, I'm not good
with audio issues
2134 [18:56:11] <laurus> OK, thanks anyway!
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2136 [18:56:22] <jelly> !alsa checklist
2137 [18:56:22] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
2138 [18:56:51] <jelly> you don't have the "no output at
all" problem
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2140 [18:57:24] <laurus> Yeah...
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2145 [18:59:58] <minzochin> all the man pages and doc (texinfo) in
"main" are free, right?
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2152 [19:01:51] <kriskropd> hi - it's been a while since
I've had to install debian - I was playing around with the
installer since I had the opportunity and found the network console
replaced-url
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2170 [19:06:59] <petemc> kriskropd: i havent used it but did you
try alt + 2/3/4 ?
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2175 [19:09:19] <kriskropd> petemc: yeah that doesn't work
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2180 [19:11:01] <petemc> kriskropd: are you trying to manage an
install via ssh ?
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2183 [19:11:20] <kriskropd> like I said - I'm "playing
around"
2184 [19:11:30] <kriskropd> just wanted to know if it was tmux or
not, I guess
2185 [19:12:58] <jelly> maybe it's screen? Maybe it's
documented someplace?
2186 [19:13:02] <jelly> !install guide
2187 [19:13:03] <dpkg> well, stretch installation guide is The
Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at
replaced-url
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2189 [19:13:15] <kriskropd> jelly: I checked but it didn't
specify
2190 [19:13:18] <petemc> i think it is just a 'normal'
virtual console
2191 [19:13:19] <kriskropd>
replaced-url
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2193 [19:13:42] <petemc> kriskropd: did you try alt - f2 ?
2194 [19:13:51] <kriskropd> yes
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2196 [19:14:56] <jelly> that's a wiki page that anyone can
edit, did you look at the actual documentation
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2202 [19:16:41] <kriskropd> jelly: doesn't seem to be in here
replaced-url
2203 [19:16:46] <kriskropd> ctrl-f "network install"
2204 [19:17:00] <kriskropd> maybe some other one
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2208 [19:18:14] <jelly>
replaced-url
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2217 [19:24:29] <rant> can network-manager handle two different
wifi cards or should I just keep unloading my internal wifi when I
use an external (usb) one?
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2219 [19:25:07] <rant> my antenna isnt so great in the laptop so
its good for local connections (less interference) but the usb one
is better for longer range
2220 [19:25:24] <awal1> rant, it can yeah
2221 [19:25:40] <zy]x[yz> I read on the Introduction to Debian
Packaging wiki article that package names need to be lowercase and
use underscores instead of hyphons. So I'm packaging an
offending project Foo-1.2.3.tar.gz which contains the directory
Foo-1.2.3, do I only need to rename the tarball foo_1.2.3.tar.gz or
do I also need to rename the directory inside of it?
2222 [19:25:54] <zy]x[yz> er, sorry, foo_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz
2223 [19:25:55] <awal1> but I have a better experience with wicd,
rant
2224 [19:26:09] <rant> I was just confused because the Fn+F5 radio
softkey seems to disable my usb dongle which I thought it'd
only disable the internal
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2227 [19:27:37] <rant> awal1: yeah wicd is a pile of dung in my
experience.. real nice lookin but it seems to cause problems.. on my
opi it was causing driver crashes for example as soon as I removed
wicd it worked fine and I havent had a crash since
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2229 [19:29:18] <babilen> zy]x[yz: I'd expect the orig.tar.gz
to contain the actual code, rather than Foo-1.2.3 -- sounds like
their release scripts/procedure is a bit buggy/suboptimal
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2234 [19:30:13] <awal1> rant, well, me I have a better experience
with wicd, for both internal and external wifi adapters; nm was
always a bit problematic
2235 [19:30:30] <awal1> anyway, it may be a matter of
firmwares/hardware
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2237 [19:30:53] <babilen> I still don't understand why wicd
wasn't allowed to rest in peace
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2239 [19:31:08] <awal1> huh
2240 [19:31:21] <zy]x[yz> babilen, strainge, the
tarball-containing-a-directory method is how I normally see it. I
thought that was the widely-accepted convention. anyway, thanks,
I'll do what you said
2241 [19:31:45] <awal1> nm I get around 60% wifi signal ; wicd 90+
!
2242 [19:32:22] <awal1> well, it may be just a matter of how they
interpret signal
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2245 [19:33:39] <superlinux> hello. I have a problem with my
bootable RAID1 software raid using mdadm. it says that it cannot
assemble the raid array because of UUID mismatch in the real disks.
so how can I force assembling the array even though the UUID is
different?
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2248 [19:35:56] <bluewhitew> @superlinux hello, can u print out
the error message?
2249 [19:35:59] <babilen> zy]x[yz: You might want to join
#debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) for packaging
related questions
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2251 [19:36:54] <zy]x[yz> babilen, thanks
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2259 [19:39:29] <kriskropd> ooo - that's neat - so as I was
completing the debian installation, at 98% the kernel panicked while
setting up console-setup :o
2260 [19:39:31] <kriskropd>
replaced-url
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2262 [19:40:39] <bluewhitew> you got a machine check exception
2263 [19:40:49] <bluewhitew> u have some problem on your hardware
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2265 [19:41:17] <kriskropd> yeah, but seems console-setup triggers
it - might clue me in to what needs replacing
2266 [19:41:26] <superlinux> bluenemo, I am having the '
/dev/sdaX has wrong uuid' . I can boot normally on any one of
the hard disks separately .
2267 [19:41:38] <superlinux> bluewhitew, , I am having the '
/dev/sdaX has wrong uuid' . I can boot normally on any one of
the hard disks separately .
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2269 [19:42:59] <superlinux> the problem is that I cannot now
regenerate the error message because i will have to disconnect and
unmount.
2270 [19:43:10] <bluewhitew> @superlinux try to do a things like
mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdd1 mdadm --manage /dev/md1
--add /dev/sdd2
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2272 [19:43:33] <superlinux> bluewhitew, but it's mounted.
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2274 [19:43:35] <bluewhitew> maybe first you have to broken the
mirror
2275 [19:43:36] <superlinux> let me see
2276 [19:44:15] <superlinux> ah right!
2277 [19:44:32] <bluewhitew> take a look at
replaced-url
2278 [19:45:05] <superlinux> so i shutdown.. remove the one disk,
and then delete it from the array listing. isn't that what you
mean?
2279 [19:45:21] <superlinux> then re-add? correct?
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2283 [19:46:00] <bluewhitew> you can do without remove your hard
disk
2284 [19:46:01] <bluewhitew> mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove
/dev/sdb1
2285 [19:46:03] <bluewhitew> i think
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2287 [19:46:18] <bluewhitew> have to change the /dev/sdx
2288 [19:46:21] <bluewhitew> with yours
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2292 [19:47:33] <superlinux> but my disks are not faulty. they are
fine.
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2295 [19:48:27] <bluewhitew> so try to remove one and after put
back to the mirror
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2297 [19:48:42] <jrgill> Is it possible to boot a live environment
with debian-9.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD1.iso or is this an installer only?
2298 [19:48:57] <bluewhitew> try to read the article i posted up
2299 [19:49:27] <superlinux> bluewhitew, I remember I saw the
article before. I will follow it now
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2302 [19:49:34] <superlinux> thanks.
2303 [19:49:56] <bluewhitew> you're welcome
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2305 [19:50:07] <rant> jrgill: thats an install image, not a live
image so no, there is no way to boot it as a live
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2310 [19:51:41] <jrgill> rant: Thanks. Is there a live image for
CD?
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2315 [19:52:34] <rant> jrgill: I believe so, do you have a
thumbdrive you can just make that a live device
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2317 [19:53:12] <rant> !live
2318 [19:53:12] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can
be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from
replaced-url
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2322 [19:56:53] <bluewhitew> @kriskropd maybe you have a
overclocked your cpu
2323 [19:57:13] <bluewhitew> or your cpu have some heath problem
2324 [19:57:35] <bluewhitew> take a look at
replaced-url
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2348 [20:09:19] <_KaszpiR_> kriskropd run memtest
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2352 [20:12:20] <nullbyte_> how can i seen GPU temp from console?
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2357 [20:15:39] <hypn0> doesnt lm-sensors work :-/
replaced-url
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2362 [20:16:46] <laurus> How do I restart ALSA withotu restarting
my machine?
2363 [20:16:58] <ewew> using systemd or init ?
2364 [20:17:07] <nullbyte_> not works
2365 [20:17:15] <laurus> ewew what is the command?
2366 [20:17:31] <hypn0> you have to install it nullbyte_
2367 [20:17:35] <ewew> im asking if your init system is systemd or
sysv ?
2368 [20:17:46] <laurus> ewew: I think systemd.
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2371 [20:19:30] <darsie> How bad is it to install steam_latest.deb
(from steampowered.com)?
2372 [20:19:36] <ewew> ok. try systemctl restart alsa. but i dont
know how its named in your system.
2373 [20:19:54] <laurus> Failed to restart alsa.service: Unit
alsa.service not found.
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2376 [20:20:30] <ewew> are you sure you have alsa installed ?
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2378 [20:20:47] <laurus> ewew: yeah.
2379 [20:20:48] <darsie> Do I sign away all rights and hand over
control of my computer to steam?
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2381 [20:21:05] <nullbyte_> alias gputemp='nvidia-smi -q -d
temperature'
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2385 [20:21:19] <superlinux> ok... anyways.. things are working
now.. it's mirroring
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2389 [20:21:54] <superlinux> my raid on /proc/mdstat shows discs
are being copied
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2391 [20:22:05] <superlinux> thanks #debian
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2395 [20:24:02] <superlinux> all I had to do is use : mdadm
--manage /dev/md/3 --add /dev/sda4 .. and add the missing RAID array
elements according to /proc/mdstat. when it finishes, i will see if
it boots normally.
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2397 [20:24:44] <ewew> laurus try service stop alsa and then
service start alsa. if this does'nt work then you will have to
wait for someone who knows.
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2403 [20:25:52] <laurus> Thanks ewew.
2404 [20:25:57] <laurus> IT didn't work :P
2405 [20:25:57] <kriskropd> lol - I took the netbook apart and
noticed the onboard-camera was unplugged - plugged it back in and
ran debian installer again - at the console-setup it was able to
continue now
replaced-url
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2407 [20:26:10] <kriskropd> _KaszpiR_ bluewhiteew ^
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2411 [20:27:13] <ewew> laurus or just reboot instead.
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2414 [20:27:30] <superlinux> is there a way to speed up the RAID
syncing and mirroring? I am talking about the performance only. I
know there are physical limits. but I am hoping to reach the
physical limits
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2420 [20:28:33] <_KaszpiR_> kriskropd weird
2421 [20:28:55] <superlinux> is the transfer speed 60MB/s between
laptop hard disks OK? can it be increased?
2422 [20:29:27] <_KaszpiR_> superlinux mdadm has default speed
limit for syncing, something like 80MB/s max
2423 [20:30:23] <_KaszpiR_> or more?
2424 [20:30:24] <_KaszpiR_>
replaced-url
2425 [20:30:29] <superlinux> yes.. how can I reach the 80MBps?
2426 [20:30:51] <_KaszpiR_> reat that article
2427 [20:31:07] <_KaszpiR_> also it depends on used disk
specifications
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2435 [20:33:17] <superlinux> brb.
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a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
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2443 [20:35:38] <_KaszpiR_> ?
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2447 [20:36:12] <_KaszpiR_> derp
2448 [20:36:13] <_KaszpiR_> *read
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2460 [20:41:40] <tharkun> Good Day. I am trying to set up
transparency on the gnome terminal for version 9.4 but the
"Transparent background" setting seems to be not available
on this version Is there some weird setting that I need to set on
gnome to be able to accomplish it?
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2462 [20:42:08] <tharkun> !live
2463 [20:42:08] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can
be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from
replaced-url
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2493 [20:58:16] <superlinux> everything now is just fine. I booted
normally. thanks again #debian
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2510 [21:07:35] <machinehum> Does anyone have an idea as to how
well rocm works on Debian 9 ?
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2517 [21:12:56] <stegno> /msg stegno REGISTER
<<email-address>
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2541 [21:23:24] <michael2> hi all. does anyone know if there is an
ansible ppa repo for debian?
2542 [21:23:42] <petemc> ppa is an ubuntu thing
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2544 [21:24:31] <michael2> right, do you know if there an
equivalent in debian?
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2547 [21:24:47] <rant> ,v ansible
2548 [21:24:48] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 1.7.2+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2;
jessie-backports: 2.2.1.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2;
stretch-backports: 2.4.3.0+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; sid:
2.5.0+dfsg-1
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2550 [21:25:22] <rant> michael2: no, debian doesn't encourage
3rd party.. if you talk to us about what sort of ansible issue you
have we can probably find an equiv solution to it
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2552 [21:26:21] <rant> michael2: stretch (stable) has 2.2.1.0-2
and you can easily get 2.4.3.0 from backports, or you could make a
simple sid backport of 2.5 are the most readily available debian
solutions, short of going upstream
2553 [21:26:42] <hyperlumic> ,check-backport ansible
2554 [21:26:43] <judd> Backporting package ansible in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch.
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2557 [21:27:16] <rant> michael2: will any of those solve your
concern?
2558 [21:27:36] <michael2> rant: yes, those are perfect solutions.
thanks. yeah the issue is getting a version 2.2 or newer .
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2561 [21:28:14] <rant> michael2: alright well then you are
covered. as stretch already has 2.2 and 2.4 is available already
backported and 2.5 can be fairly easily backported using our ssb
proceedure
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2567 [21:29:38] <michael2> rant: are there any downsides to
backports ?
2568 [21:30:08] <rant> michael2: well using an official backport,
not really.. the downside to using ssb is that you have to maintain
the updates
2569 [21:30:23] <hyperlumic> I believe backports doesn't
receive security updates the way that stable does.
2570 [21:30:39] <hyperlumic> I could be mistaken on that, though.
Do your research.
2571 [21:31:21] <rant> its a different process, but it does
recieve updates
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2573 [21:33:14] <rant> basically official backports are from
testing, which allows you to easily upgrade to the next stable
release without issues, but when there are security issues found and
fixed, backports track unstable for security purposes (generally
spaeking)
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2576 [21:34:34] <rant> they do recieve those updates.. the only
real concern with official backports is that it could cause some
incompatibility or issues as the package is often being build
against older dependencies which may or may not cause new issues
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2580 [21:35:35] <michael2> so basically backport packages have not
had as much testing as packages out of stable? as well as a
different updating process?
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2582 [21:36:20] <rant> michael2: yes, but they are far more secure
and reliable than doing your own backport (ssb or such) or building
from upstream
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2584 [21:36:54] <rant> where you have nobody monitoring it and you
are entirely responsible for maintaining that build yourself
2585 [21:37:43] <michael2> and you know who compiled the sources
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2589 [21:38:38] <rant> right, and they will know when there are
closed CVE on the package and they will update their build which is
why our backports have those long tails on their versions like you
see above.. the +dfsg-1~bpo9+1
2590 [21:39:42] <rant>
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2595 [21:44:25] <rant> michael2: fwiw, the differences between
upstream and ssb is that with ssb you are using already debianized
source (ready for packaging, and DFSG compliant), and its a really
simple proceedure that can be done with apt as a result.. satisfying
all deps, fetching source, building the package all in one simple
command
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2597 [21:46:26] <rant> michael2: and I'm no expert on ubuntu
but I'd guess their ppa are more like independant 3rd party
ssb's than our official backports
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2611 [21:53:40] <michael2> rant: thanks. yeah my understanding is
the the ppa's are published, maintained and signed by the
upstream (ansible, yubico or some random developer)
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2613 [21:54:22] <michael2> you are basically adding an entire new
apt repository.
2614 [21:54:36] <michael2> bbl - getting some food...
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2617 [21:55:08] <rant> michael2: I really dont like ubuntu..
I'd recommended it in a few rare cases for people who would be
better served by the frequent updates.. but fact of the matter is it
greatly compromises stability of the system having a time-based
release cycle and 3rd party repos and can introduce unneccessary
security risks
2618 [21:55:54] <rant> for most folk who only occasionally need
specific updates for legitimate reasons, debian's model is
better and we have a number of ways to address those issues
2619 [21:56:39] <rant> without compromising the overall goals of
stability, security, and support of the whole system
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2648 [22:08:06] <zq> hi
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2650 [22:08:55] <zq> i wish to dpkg --remove-architecture i386
even though there is exactly one i386 package installed. how could i
do this?
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2653 [22:10:02] <minzochin> all the man pages and doc (texinfo) in
"main" are free, right?
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2658 [22:13:12] <rant> minzochin: no, everything in
"main" is "free" as in DFSG
2659 [22:14:16] <rant> otherwise it'd be in contrib or
non-free if any part of it didn't comply with a DFSG compatible
license
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2679 [22:24:07] <shellclear> hello guys, I dont know if this is a
correct channel to this question, so please sorry if this question
is inadequate, will debian stretch upgrade to gnome 3.26 ?
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2686 [22:29:09] <bites> shellclear: stretch does not get version
bumps but buster might
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2763 [23:07:40] <retiform> are there any downsides to using sudo
instead of root?
2764 [23:07:49] <retiform> security wise
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2766 [23:08:11] <petemc> no
2767 [23:08:39] <petemc> unless sudo breaks, which is should never
do
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2770 [23:09:03] <retiform> petemc: then why does Debian use root
by default?
2771 [23:09:03] <petemc> unless, perhaps, it is backed by a
network authentication service
2772 [23:09:27] <petemc> retiform: debian doesnt impose on its
user
2773 [23:09:40] <kriskropd> retiform: if you choose expert
install, it should allow you to disable root - i just did that
earlier
2774 [23:09:42] <hyperlumic> retiform: The only Linux distro that
I know of that forces you to use sudo by default are Ubuntu and its
derivatives.
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2776 [23:10:01] <hyperlumic> kriskropd: That's not even the
expert install. Just press enter at the root password prompt in the
installer.
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2779 [23:10:23] <retiform> hyperlumic: I know it is an option, I
am just wondering why
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2781 [23:10:46] <petemc> defaults are contentious
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2783 [23:10:48] <kriskropd> because linux is about options
2784 [23:11:12] <ewew> root password is root password, user
password is users password.
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2786 [23:11:49] <retiform> ewew do you mean anything by your
tautology?
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2789 [23:12:42] <ewew> users password is easier to gain or users
login with permision to use sudo.
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2791 [23:12:54] <hyperlumic> retiform: The installer gives you an
option. Choose whichever suits you, and stop overthinking this.
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2800 [23:15:25] <bug> at one time the live iso installer
didn't make your regular user part of the sudo group, and if
you didn't create a root pw during the install you were sol.
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2804 [23:16:40] <kriskropd> bug: until you loaded a livecd/rescue
environment and just changed the passwords, ofc :P
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2806 [23:17:07] <bug> also, wasn't there some talk of not
including sudo by defalt at all in debian?
2807 [23:17:19] <hyperlumic> It's not included by default if
you set a root password.
2808 [23:17:25] <patterson> sudo is fun. Ask it to make you a
snadwich
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2816 [23:20:40] <hypn0> isn't it gksudo :-)
2817 [23:21:21] <abrotman> bug: It's not installed by
default. I don't have it setup here on this laptop (w/Gnome3)
2818 [23:21:36] <abrotman> Though, I think this laptop started as
Jessie
2819 [23:22:08] <JackAndHisFox> people who using sudo doesn't
care what happens with their system ...
2820 [23:22:45] <abrotman> huh?
2821 [23:22:52] <hyperlumic> JackAndHisFox: Overgeneralization is
overgeneralized. sudo has uses beyond granting root access.
2822 [23:22:55] <bug> sudo just seems like one more unnecessary
attack vector.
2823 [23:22:56] * abrotman wonders if the fox is typing ..
2824 [23:23:03] <patterson> It does have a password
2825 [23:23:16] <JackAndHisFox> what bug said
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2827 [23:23:32] <patterson> Close Port 80
2828 [23:23:32] <abrotman> patterson: it can have a password,
it's not required
2829 [23:23:42] <joepublic> instead of sudo, then perhaps many
commonly used binaries should simply be setuid root, perhaps?
2830 [23:23:48] <JackAndHisFox> if a hacker has your account (and
its password) and you have sudo ... i wish you good luck.
2831 [23:23:53] <patterson> Why run sudo without a password
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2833 [23:24:00] <abrotman> I said it's not required ..
2834 [23:24:09] <patterson> I heard you
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2839 [23:24:22] <abrotman> Not sure why that's confusing
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2841 [23:25:31] <hyperlumic> JackAndHisFox: Wouldn't work for
any of my systems. Again, you're drastically overgeneralizing.
2842 [23:26:23] <hyperlumic> First: sudo can be quite heavily
customized in terms of how it functions. Second: sudo has uses
beyond just granting root access, as I said previously.
2843 [23:27:28] <JackAndHisFox> if you need sudo for some daily
stuff you must do something wrong then
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2845 [23:27:59] <abrotman> JackAndHisFox: let it go please
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2848 [23:29:12] <aaro> after the sudo vs root war, let's
start a vim vs emacs war please :)
2849 [23:29:15] <hyperlumic> JackAndHisFox: Like allowing a web
developer to execute an isolated subset of commands as a user not
his own without giving him that user's credentials or the root
creds for the server?
2850 [23:29:37] <bug> is gksudo going to be removed in the future?
i seem to recall something about that.
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2852 [23:31:23] <abrotman> aaro: first you need to solve nvi vs
vim
2853 [23:32:00] <joepublic> I think (n)vi(m) was already solved
with [esc]q!
2854 [23:32:01] <JackAndHisFox> hyperlumic: i though web
developers are using the "so-cool" containers?
2855 [23:32:22] <abrotman> Move on, please
2856 [23:32:30] <hyperlumic> JackAndHisFox: I'm going to take
that as a concession that there are valid uses of sudo, since you
didn't respond to my actual statement. Cheers.
2857 [23:32:43] <JackAndHisFox> hyperlumic: no, you're wrong.
2858 [23:32:50] <ewew> anything is dangerous if not correctly
configured. period.
2859 [23:32:54] <JackAndHisFox> there's a setuid bit.
2860 [23:33:05] <bookworm> beep
2861 [23:33:18] <bookworm> worked *very* well didn't it?
2862 [23:33:25] <joepublic> I actually mentioned setuid
sarcastically. I hereby repent and apologize.
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2864 [23:33:50] <bookworm> joepublic: most people understood, some
apparently did not
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2866 [23:34:18] <JackAndHisFox> this community seems to be
unfriendly, huh?
2867 [23:34:40] <patterson> Seems friendly enough
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2869 [23:35:48] <patterson> I suppose adding an extraneous
emoticon wouldn't hurt
2870 [23:35:50] <JackAndHisFox> i angree to this, i guess:
replaced-url
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2874 [23:36:58] <abrotman> Oh, I know .. let's talk about
something actually useful ...
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2879 [23:37:27] <patterson> How about the flip side. What do you
like for simple linux questions. The last time I looked i settle on
linuxquestions.org
2880 [23:37:34] <patterson> settled
2881 [23:37:44] <JackAndHisFox> abrotman: look at #11 ... might
mirroring you.
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2883 [23:38:27] <joepublic> This is a pretty friendly, helpful
community, but you do the the occasional jerk in here.
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2885 [23:38:51] <abrotman> JackAndHisFox: Please find a new topic
to discuss. It's clear there are advantages and disadvantages
.. You're not the smartest person in this channel.
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2888 [23:39:23] <JackAndHisFox> "You're not the smartest
person in this channel." .. that's what the authod of the
article meant with the reason #11
2889 [23:39:29] <JackAndHisFox> *author
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2894 [23:39:54] <abrotman> JackAndHisFox: please find something
new to discuss when the +q times out in 15 minutes. Thank you
2895 [23:40:16] <dvs> business as normat I see...
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2901 [23:43:08] <patterson> I like the room beacuse next to
#nethack, it's busy all the time
2902 [23:43:23] <abrotman> that's because they're all
playing nethack :)
2903 [23:43:30] <patterson> Well, yeah
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2908 [23:44:31] <patterson> )
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