• 0[00:00:09] <hiro> clearly i'm wasting my time
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• 15[00:09:51] <jhutchins> Agafnd: I seem to rember IV and V from back around 2006-2009.
• 16[00:10:05] <Agafnd> :|
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• 18[00:10:26] <Agafnd> where do I find out what protocol this one uses
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• 20[00:10:54] <jhutchins> Agafnd: See also replaced-url
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• 23[00:14:01] <Agafnd> hm. what replaced-url
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• 35[00:20:40] <Agafnd> well, it's too late to worry about it today
• 36[00:20:47] <Agafnd> I'll figure it out tomorrow
• 37[00:20:53] <TeddieeB> So I'm STILL trying to figure out this GPG thing. more so I KNOW how to do it. but I added the key using the RSA Key ID as provided by GPG. I'm SURE I'm still doing something wrong. I've output my command output to a hastebin, could somebody please tell me what I'm doing wrong? replaced-url
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• 39[00:21:47] <xDDDEDEE> Wzup guys. Can someone explain to me why I'm having problems downloading programs threw synaptic?? I get this msg on almost EVERYTHING I download: W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 40[00:21:49] <xDDDEDEE> 404 Not Found [IP: 197.155.77.1 80]
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• 43[00:22:43] <TeddieeB> the Primary Key Fingerprint matches the one associated with that private key's fingerprint on replaced-url
• 44[00:23:03] <dTal> xDDDEDEE: the mirror might be down, try a different one
• 45[00:23:10] <xDDDEDEE> How do I switch mirror?
• 46[00:23:16] <dTal> or better still use httpredir and never worry about it again
• 47[00:23:19] <themill> xDDDEDEE: that mirror has an odd structure and your sources.list is not correct
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• 49[00:23:56] <themill> TeddieeB: do you already have a debian installation there?
• 50[00:24:10] <TeddieeB> I am actively working on a Jessie Machine, yes
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• 53[00:24:26] <themill> !check iso signature
• 54[00:24:26] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUM and SHA256SUM.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum debian.iso; grep debian.iso SHA256SUM; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
• 55[00:24:27] <TeddieeB> I am just getting this ISO to set up a new server
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• 61[00:26:32] <themill> TeddieeB: the output from gpg is just telling you that you have no chain of trust to that key. It's telling you that *you* have to ensure that you want to trust that key (and since you grabbed the long key id from replaced-url
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• 64[00:27:23] <dvs> TeddieeB, yes, you have to mark that key as trusted (if you got it from a trusted source which the web site is)
• 65[00:27:41] <TeddieeB> how do you mark it as trusted?
• 66[00:27:43] <themill> TeddieeB: you do need to be careful that you look at the long key id (16 hex digits) not the short one (8). It's trivial to spoof the short key. A research project created fake short keys for just about every debian developer to prove that point a couple of years ago
• 67[00:27:50] <themill> TeddieeB: you don't need to
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• 69[00:28:00] <TeddieeB> how do you get the long key too?
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• 71[00:28:18] <TeddieeB> I've only had reference to the short key: 6294BE9B
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• 74[00:28:56] <themill> TeddieeB: the full fingerprint is there on the page -- that's the long key id plus yet more
• 75[00:29:31] <TeddieeB> I'm assuming the proper "long key" is what that 0x# I'm seeing references too?
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• 77[00:29:42] <TeddieeB> if so I haven't found a number like that ANYWHERE on that page
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• 80[00:31:30] <TeddieeB> I'm seeing references to the 0x# stuff as the proper form for my gpg key import. but I haven't found a number like that. and it's not a combonation of the ###/# cuz that's not the right number of characters either
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• 102[00:40:13] <hiro> libvirt people stand up please
• 103[00:40:31] <crazydip> How do I view the NetworkManager log? I'm trying to debug a VPN connection as the client.
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• 105[00:40:48] <hiro> crazydip: apt-get remove networkmanager; apt-get install vpnc
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• 112[00:43:09] <crazydip> hiro: thanks, that makes more sense
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• 115[00:44:57] <hiro> crazydip: i'm happy about every new member in my networkmanager-hater church. please pay here for our saints.
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• 117[00:45:10] <hiro> cling cling cling
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• 123[00:46:41] <crazydip> networkmanager-vpnc hahaha!
• 124[00:46:46] <crazydip> :/
• 125[00:46:56] <Walex> TeddieeB: dont be confused...
• 126[00:47:12] <Walex> TeddieeB: the issue of chain of trust etc. does not matter in your specific case.
• 127[00:48:20] <Walex> TeddieeB: you have an ISO image, a signature for its checksum, and a web page that is signed by an SSL certificate and carries the fingerprint for the authentic key
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• 129[00:48:49] <Walex> TeddieeB: the chain of trust is only necessary for verifying keys given other keys.
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• 202[01:35:55] <chomwitt> i run 5 minutes ago the command sudo apt-file -x search '.*[wx]$' on a expensive cpu , stills running!
• 203[01:37:42] <dvs> chomwitt, I'd say that's more of a hard drive factor
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• 207[01:38:10] <chomwitt> dvs: i have an ssd
• 208[01:38:30] <chomwitt> ok , it stoped
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• 212[01:41:33] <chomwitt> well on the other side it searches hundred of thousand of files i guess
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• 214[01:42:20] <chomwitt> no of files .. of filenames ..
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• 218[01:44:26] <chomwitt> ok 'time' : real 3m39.932s' user 3m41.536s sys 0m0.476s on i7-4790's one core's thread
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• 242[02:02:42] <jair> Hello all, good day, I am running this command in one of my log files: "sudo less /var/log/messages-xxxxxx" and I am getting this message: sudo: PERM_ROOT: setresuid(0, -1, -1): too many processes
• 243[02:02:52] <jair> any advice on where to start looking?
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• 245[02:03:12] <jair> is this an issue in the server I am accessing or my machine acting as client?
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• 249[02:05:48] <tabakhase> uhm, im getitng "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 252[02:07:14] <tabakhase> im having the feeling i borked my image somehow :/
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• 257[02:07:59] <dvs> !ftp.debian.org
• 258[02:07:59] <dpkg> ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See replaced-url
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• 266[02:10:21] <avis> there is a new interpretor at kernel.org that is better than h.91 that i created. if you need jobs you can compile things for .35cents a hour. it's bios cannot be cloned.
• 267[02:10:59] <avis> its energy efficient and if source is perfect things like transisitors if flawed are awesome
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• 269[02:14:01] <abrotman> avis: Are you spamming us?
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• 271[02:14:33] <avis> no
• 272[02:14:36] <avis> people need jobs
• 273[02:14:40] <abrotman> avis: what does this have to do with Debian?
• 274[02:14:53] <avis> people need to compile things without flaws abrotman
• 275[02:15:06] <abrotman> avis: Do you need help with Debian? This is a support channel
• 276[02:15:15] <avis> i'm supporting debian
• 277[02:15:18] <abrotman> no, you're not
• 278[02:15:23] <abrotman> avis: Please go spam elsewhere
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• 282[02:19:22] <tabakhase> i rebuild my image, now its fine... ergo, dont install apt-transport-https "at the start" or DAB breaks :P
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• 374[03:26:11] <gen0> Hey guys, I deleted my synaptic package manager and now I can't figure out how to install it again. Anyone that can help me?
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• 380[03:30:03] <rudi_s> gen0: sudo apt-get install synaptic
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• 382[03:31:48] <gen0> rudi_s i tried that and the answer is "E: Package 'synaptic' has no installation candidate"
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• 384[03:32:03] <gen0> E: Package 'synaptic' has no installation candidate
• 385[03:32:18] <gen0> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
• 386[03:32:21] <gen0> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
• 387[03:32:23] <gen0> is only available from another source
• 388[03:32:36] <rudi_s> gen0: apt-cache policy synaptic
• 389[03:33:11] <gen0> answer: synaptic:
• 390[03:33:14] <gen0> Installed: (none)
• 391[03:33:16] <gen0> Candidate: (none)
• 392[03:33:18] <gen0> Version table:
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• 401[03:39:44] <rudi_s> gen0: Hm, is your apt/sources.list fine?
• 402[03:40:41] <gen0> Before I removed synaptic I actually replaced all sources in synaptic with this httpdirr, as I was told I should do this.
• 403[03:40:45] <gen0> How do I change them back?
• 404[03:41:03] <rudi_s> !sources.list
• 405[03:41:03] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 406[03:41:08] <rudi_s> gen0: ^
• 407[03:44:20] <gen0> Alright, so I'll just put in the mirror in this document and then apt-get update? Where is the mirrors?
• 408[03:44:38] <gen0> Sry, I'm kinda new to debian. Learning to walk atm.
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• 411[03:47:02] <rudi_s> gen0: Yes.
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• 413[03:47:41] <newcoder> How can I know if I can set fbcon kernel parameter or not?
• 414[03:48:57] <newcoder> Which modules or drivers need to be installed to use fbcon?
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• 416[03:50:01] <gen0> rudi_s I cannot change this file. it's not giving me permission.
• 417[03:51:10] <rudi_s> gen0: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list should work (and hopefully spawn a nano editor which is easy to use).
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• 419[03:53:05] <newcoder> evice Drivers->Graphics Support->Support for
• 420[03:53:06] <newcoder> framebuffer devices->Framebuffer Console Support
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• 422[03:53:18] <newcoder> If this module is not installed , how can I install it?
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• 426[03:57:39] <awal1> gen0, done yet? :D
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• 428[03:58:17] <gen0> That worked rudi, thank you. Awal1: Yes but I had to fix a thing in the same time. I'm a baby trying to walk godammit^^
• 429[03:58:30] <gen0> But stil, what mirror should I use?
• 430[03:58:33] <rudi_s> np ;-)
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• 433[03:59:07] <awal1> add contrib and non-free components to each line if needed
• 434[03:59:09] <gen0> How do I save the file?
• 435[03:59:33] <rudi_s> gen0: Ctrl-X Ctrl-O if it's nano, should be displayed on the bottom.
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• 437[03:59:58] <awal1> ctlr+o+enter then exit with ctrl+x
• 438[04:00:10] <rudi_s> Ah, wrong order.
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• 441[04:00:43] <rudi_s> gen0: I'd just use one "close" to you. I use ftp.de.debian.org as I'm from Germany. Replace de with your language code.
• 442[04:01:58] <awal1> gen0, you may want to paste your sources file when done, just if any. just run in terminal: cat /etc/apt/sources.list and paste the output in paste.debian.net
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• 447[04:04:00] <gen0> # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
• 448[04:04:08] <gen0> deb ftp.de.debian.org
• 449[04:04:28] <gen0> thats my answer and when I try apt-get update it says "E: Malformed line 11 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
• 450[04:04:31] <gen0> E: The list of sources could not be read."
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• 453[04:05:50] <dvs> 11 lines in a sources.list suggests a lot more sources than necessary
• 454[04:06:21] <awal1> gen0, ok, lets make it easy, step by step
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• 456[04:06:32] <awal1> which desktop environment you run?
• 457[04:07:05] <gen0> E: Malformed line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
• 458[04:07:07] <gen0> E: The list of sources could not be read.
• 459[04:07:09] <gen0> gnome
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• 461[04:07:48] <gen0> is it correct filled this way? "deb ftp.de.debian.org" in the sources.list docuemnt
• 462[04:07:58] <awal1> ok, forget gedit. open a terminal and type su + enter and give your root password
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• 464[04:08:34] <awal1> then run nano /etc/apt/sources.list
• 465[04:08:55] <gen0> yes
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• 467[04:09:24] <awal1> delete all what you have there and copy this replaced-url
• 468[04:09:54] <gen0> Both lists or only top?
• 469[04:10:14] <awal1> use second part
• 470[04:10:22] <awal1> some day you may need non free stuff
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• 473[04:11:47] <awal1> done?
• 474[04:11:53] <gen0> So fucking awesome you guys are. ty for wasting time on me.
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• 476[04:12:07] <gen0> Now let's see if the main problem wich got me deleting synaptic in first place is gone =D
• 477[04:12:37] <awal1> let see you file, cat it and paste in paste.debian.net
• 478[04:12:43] <awal1> your file
• 479[04:13:05] <gen0> It's working just as it's supposed to. tyvm
• 480[04:13:28] <awal1> ok
• 481[04:13:31] <gen0> Another question, if you can answer. What movie editing program do you suggest for a beginner?
• 482[04:13:33] <awal1> !next
• 483[04:13:34] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 486[04:14:47] <awal1> I think 'openshot' is nice
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• 488[04:14:59] <awal1> DE independent
• 489[04:15:33] <gen0> Thank you for your suggestion, I will download and check it.
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• 492[04:17:51] <awal1> check if multimedia-videos metapkg have something interesting for you
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• 494[04:18:05] <awal1> ,v multimedia-video
• 495[04:18:06] <judd> Package: multimedia-video on amd64 -- jessie: 0.2; sid: 0.5; stretch: 0.5
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• 499[04:20:17] <awal1> don't install that metapkg, just check it's description for find almost all available video tools in debian
• 500[04:20:24] <awal1> oh, gone :P
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• 507[04:24:46] <dvs> gen0, dont install the metapkg!
• 508[04:25:13] <gen0> what is metapkg?
• 509[04:25:52] <dvs> multimedia-video is a metapackage which installs a whole bunch of other packages
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• 512[04:29:27] <Debian> okey, what is the problem with installing thoose?
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• 514[04:29:43] <Guest83434> mby that's why my pc crashed xD
• 515[04:30:24] <dvs> Debian, to quote YouTube: "What are thoooooooose?"
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• 522[04:35:29] <n4dir> something round the lines of that is the problem: replaced-url
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• 655[06:22:30] <Duser> Just running through an install of the beta2, I got to the DM software selection screen. the only DM that I could select was XFCE, which is not really what I wanted.
• 656[06:22:43] <Duser> I tried gnome and cinnamon <-- which I really like.
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• 658[06:22:59] <Duser> Is it something quirky on my machine causing this?
• 659[06:23:11] <Svetlana> no, DE choice is machine agnostic
• 660[06:23:31] <Svetlana> you probably started a debian xfce install medium?
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• 662[06:24:06] <Duser> idk how that would be. I made no selection on dm until I got to that screen.
• 663[06:24:27] <themill> Precisely which ISO image do you have?
• 664[06:24:28] <Duser> just looped over and over again back to that screen.
• 665[06:24:38] <Duser> beta2
• 666[06:24:44] <themill> that's not terribly precise
• 667[06:25:06] <Duser> I think it's the net install
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• 669[06:25:29] <themill> A filename would be good.
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• 672[06:25:40] <Duser> sorry. don't have that.
• 673[06:25:42] <themill> There's nothing called 'beta2' anywhere that I know of
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• 676[06:25:47] <Duser> I burned it a couple weeks ago.
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• 678[06:26:20] <Duser> it just came off the servers a week or two ago.
• 679[06:26:30] <Duser> my understanding was it was the second beta release
• 680[06:26:33] <Duser> i call it beta 2
• 681[06:26:42] <themill> of what?
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• 683[06:26:57] <Duser> never mind dude. thanks anyway
• 684[06:27:01] <themill> please start being precise... is this even debian?
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• 688[06:28:11] <GPenguin> all the fuzz for nothing
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• 697[06:36:17] <Needhelpdebianli> Hi
• 698[06:36:31] <Needhelpdebianli> Anybody available?
• 699[06:36:36] <Needhelpdebianli> I'm stuck
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• 704[06:38:11] <Svetlana> I'm here, but I didn't say that
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• 706[06:38:18] <Svetlana> because then you'd hop on my back and presume I know your answer
• 707[06:38:22] <Svetlana> which I probably don't
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• 709[06:38:38] <Svetlana> maybe you can ask your question? then people would be less shy to volunteer answering it :D
• 710[06:39:11] <Needhelpdebianli> Anybody that can help with debian live?
• 711[06:39:45] <Svetlana> what's te problem?
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• 714[06:40:09] <Needhelpdebianli> I just finished installing it and it's asking me for a "localhost login"
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• 716[06:40:21] <Needhelpdebianli> And password... which i don't have!
• 717[06:40:33] <Svetlana> the installer asked you to set two passwords, one for root and one for yourself
• 718[06:40:50] <Svetlana> actually, try entering an empty password
• 719[06:40:53] <Svetlana> and see whether it works
• 720[06:40:59] <Needhelpdebianli> No, it didn't... i didn't type anything
• 721[06:41:25] <Svetlana> just hit enter without entering anything and see whether it lets you log in
• 722[06:41:50] <Needhelpdebianli> Login incorrect
• 723[06:41:58] <Svetlana> ok
• 724[06:42:07] <Svetlana> try user 'user' with password 'live', both without the quotation marks
• 725[06:42:28] <Needhelpdebianli> Done, nothing
• 726[06:42:37] <Svetlana> does it say 'login incorrect' again?
• 727[06:42:42] <Svetlana> which image are you using?
• 728[06:42:44] <Needhelpdebianli> Yes
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• 730[06:43:14] <Needhelpdebianli> Debian GNU/Linux 8
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• 732[06:44:01] <Svetlana> replaced-url
• 733[06:44:03] <Needhelpdebianli> Both the installed and the live cd prompt me for the localhost login
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• 737[06:45:28] <Needhelpdebianli> I think it's a cinnamon
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• 739[06:46:50] <Needhelpdebianli> I downloaded 2 or 3 weeks ago.
• 740[06:47:08] <Needhelpdebianli> It was the only one that wild fit on a 700Mb cd
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• 742[06:47:42] <Needhelpdebianli> *would
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• 744[06:49:34] <gen0> Wzup brothers. I'm in search of spotify on my debian system. Wich way is the safest, and easiest for this?
• 745[06:52:18] <Needhelpdebianli> It was a live install / CD
• 746[06:52:23] <missmbob> gen0: replaced-url
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• 748[06:53:23] <Needhelpdebianli> Svetlana,u there?
• 749[06:53:51] <gen0> thx missmbob. If I could, I would've give you a cookie.
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• 754[06:56:01] <Needhelpdebianli> Irc from a mobile browser sucks...
• 755[06:56:19] <Needhelpdebianli> I'm locked out my pc.... T_T
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• 937[09:17:53] <ZeroBeholder> Update Mozilla certificate authority bundle to version 2.9.
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• 939[09:18:05] <ZeroBeholder> In the name of Mike-- anyone know how to keep the ca-certificates package from breaking all my non-interactive provisioning scripts?
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• 941[09:18:47] <solrize> what's the next version after jessie and any idea when it's planned?
• 942[09:18:53] <ZeroBeholder> I don't want to push (q)
• 943[09:19:13] <ZeroBeholder> It kind of goes just about every two years-- we're getting due.
• 944[09:19:51] <ZeroBeholder> It will be called Debian Stretch...
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• 947[09:21:19] <ZeroBeholder> replaced-url
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• 954[09:23:36] <solrize> oh cool, i thought stretch was just a nickname til it became a real release and then some other name would take effect
• 955[09:23:39] <solrize> like jessie was sid, iirc
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• 959[09:24:23] <babilen> sid is "unstable" and unstable will forever be called "sid"
• 960[09:24:34] <solrize> aha, thx
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• 962[09:24:53] <babilen> replaced-url
• 963[09:25:15] <solrize> nice
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• 965[09:26:18] <solrize> wosign certificate throwing crap at me :(
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• 967[09:29:56] <solrize> right now jessie=stable, stretch=testing, sid=unstable?
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• 969[09:30:11] <solrize> and stretch=stable in a few months more or less?
• 970[09:30:25] <ZeroBeholder> So, in trying to solve the problem myself-- I've tried apt-get upgrade -qy ca-certificates. I've already had DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive. I've configured /etc/apt/listchanges.conf with frontend=none. I've apt-get removed apt-listchanges . Any thing anyone would generously proffer for me to try next?
• 971[09:31:12] <smeert> cool
• 972[09:31:14] <ZeroBeholder> I am about to try an 'expect' script similar to what I use for the similarly unescapable prompts from iptables via bash.
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• 974[09:31:24] <smeert> i cant reboot debian because -fork cannot allocate memory
• 975[09:31:40] <ZeroBeholder> kill
• 976[09:32:03] <smeert> kill what? :)
• 977[09:32:07] <smeert> cant run any commands
• 978[09:32:19] <klys> thr foreground process
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• 981[09:33:04] <klys> just reset amd fsck then, it's ok with ext3-4
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• 984[09:33:33] <smeert> ah, relogged in and got the reboot working
• 985[09:33:34] <smeert> \o
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• 987[09:34:03] <ZeroBeholder> expect script it is.
• 988[09:34:07] <ZeroBeholder> brb
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• 995[09:37:46] <jelly> smeert: do you have a root shell?
• 996[09:37:54] <jelly> ah, you got it somehow
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• 1038[10:06:01] <heston> is the label for the Net install iso really "HACK 1"?
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• 1040[10:06:45] <mapm> hi, I have a problem with a lubuntu encrypted installation. When booting, grub automatically starts loading Lubuntu but then it says (loading a kernel with a "verbose" parameter instead of "quiet splash") "Begin: Runnng /scripts/local-bloc
• 1041[10:06:49] <mapm> ... done." lots of times then "done" then "Gave up waiting for root device. Common problems: - Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline) - Check rootdelay= (did the system wait long enough?) - Check root= (did thesystem wait for the right device?) -
• 1042[10:06:53] <mapm> Missing modules (cat /proc/modules; ls /dev) ALERT! /dev/mapper/lubuntu--vg-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" Then busybox
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• 1051[10:09:05] <Hestben> mapm: You realize, this is #debian, #ubuntu might be better suited to help you
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• 1053[10:09:40] <newcoder> debian 8.6 cd1 has error like input read write error, is it solved in 8.7?
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• 1056[10:10:00] <newcoder> /dev/sr0 input read write error or something like that
• 1057[10:10:05] <mapm> Hestben, ah yes, thanks!
• 1058[10:10:14] <newcoder> I/O Input buffer error
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• 1061[10:12:05] <newcoder> replaced-url
• 1062[10:12:06] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1086[10:25:52] <brontosaurusrex> What version of opengl will ship with 9?
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• 1089[10:26:45] <brontosaurusrex> and what package is that exactly?
• 1090[10:26:50] <brontosaurusrex> !opengl
• 1091[10:26:50] <dpkg> OpenGL (Open Graphics Language) is a 3D graphics <API> originally developed by Silicon Graphics. replaced-url
• 1092[10:26:57] <brontosaurusrex> !mesa
• 1093[10:26:57] <dpkg> Mesa 3D is an open source implementation of the <OpenGL> API. replaced-url
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• 1100[10:28:29] <nav2608> Hi. i need some help regarding rpi2 board. Can anybody help me with that?
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• 1102[10:28:58] <jelly> nav2608: people in #raspbian channel can, if that's what you plan on running
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• 1104[10:29:17] <NoxiousPloK> nav2608: replaced-url
• 1105[10:29:21] <NoxiousPloK> ah
• 1106[10:29:23] <NoxiousPloK> what jelly says
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• 1136[10:53:35] <AciD`> hey
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• 1139[10:54:47] <AciD`> I debootstrapped a system and installed some package (after having copied my /etc/apt repository from a previous working system), but somehow apt-listbugs 'break' my system; apt tries to launch it, but it's not installed, then this ensue : replaced-url
• 1140[10:54:52] <AciD`> any ideas how to fix that?
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• 1143[10:55:56] <AciD`> this prevent me to install any other packages too
• 1144[10:56:19] <Azlux> hi all. Small question here. I have a alias for ssh and I need to add another alias for ssh to add a default parameter. but if I write 2 alias ssh, the second one override the first one. Any idea ? Is there are a way to join 2 alias ?
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• 1146[10:56:55] <ws2k3_> why does jessie not close the ssh session when i hit reboot?
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• 1153[11:01:07] <nwe> hello, I trying to get preseed and uefi to work.. I have add method efi like this replaced-url
• 1154[11:01:49] <nwe> but when I try to run my pxeboot I got this.. Failed to partition the selected disk This happened because the selected recipe does not contain any..
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• 1156[11:01:52] <nwe> any idea?
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• 1159[11:07:25] <Shadur> nwe: Can you pastebin the response as well?
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• 1161[11:08:10] <AciD`> hm, looks like it's related to a 2012 bug : replaced-url
• 1162[11:08:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1166[11:08:51] <nwe> Shadur: sure, Will reboot the machine first :)
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• 1171[11:11:03] <Iridos> ws2k3_, booting machines don't have open ssh connections
• 1172[11:11:45] <ws2k3_> Iridos wheezy closed the ssh session nicely but in jessie this seems to fail
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• 1175[11:12:03] <guavas> hello everyone. I'm struggling with printing from debian 8: I have a Oki 4400 and I installed CUPS and the drivers. Now, it does print, but now and then it prints a page with some technical lines, like set density=5 @pjl duplex=off etc.
• 1176[11:12:21] <Iridos> ws2k3_, you haven't even described what you do. there are two machines involved in any ssh connection
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• 1179[11:13:14] <ws2k3_> Iridos when i connect with a ssh client to a debian jessie machine and i hit reboot the ssh sessions hangs(the server does reboot) but the server does not close the ssh session before reboot
• 1180[11:13:19] <guavas> This is terribly annoying, I waste paper and ink and ruins the sequence. Is it because of the drivers? I tried pxlmono and hpijs-pcl5e, no good result
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• 1182[11:13:53] <Iridos> ws2k3_, just hit ~. (or <return>~. - the ~. has to be at the start of a line )
• 1183[11:13:59] <guavas> (even though they do print different jibberish output). Any help with te printer
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• 1185[11:14:34] <nwe> Shadur: Failed to partition the selected disk This happened because the selected recipe does not contain any partition that can be created on LVM volumes..
• 1186[11:14:43] <nwe> that the response from the installer..
• 1187[11:14:53] <Iridos> ws2k3_, and I guess that's a race… does the ssh server have time to exit cleanly or does the hard kill come before it can
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• 1189[11:16:38] <ws2k3_> Iridos well all my jessie machines are having it even clean installed onces i assume this should not happen?
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• 1191[11:17:01] <Iridos> judd, versions ruby-debian
• 1192[11:17:03] <judd> Package: ruby-debian on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.8+b1; jessie: 0.3.9; sid: 0.3.9+b6; stretch: 0.3.9+b6
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• 1197[11:18:40] <Pelle`> yo i got sftp set up kinda like this: replaced-url
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• 1203[11:22:42] <Iridos> ws2k3_, I wouldn't see that as a bug. ssh clients will time out over time anyway and I don't see a real change in functionality.
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• 1210[11:26:22] <Iridos> ws2k3_, I havent fiddled much with systemd yet… but if you look at the output of "systemctl show ssh.service" you see that stop_time=[n/a] … guess you could change the behavior if you changed that… (but it's a guess)
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• 1213[11:26:44] <verumnosliberat> has anyone used hostapd extensively ?
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• 1215[11:28:08] <epsilon> verumnosliberat: technically everyone using wrt based wifi-router
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• 1217[11:28:56] <verumnosliberat> epsilon: I was wondering IF you can build multiple virtual SSID networks with one interface
• 1218[11:28:59] <Iridos> AciD`, there is no /usr/lib/ruby/2.3.0/ in jessie
• 1219[11:29:53] <AciD`> Iridos -> I fixed the problem by commenting the /etc/apt/apt.conf line which mentionned apt-listbug
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• 1221[11:30:28] <Iridos> still… was that a testing install?
• 1222[11:30:44] <Iridos> Pelle`, what's the point of restricting users to their home directory?
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• 1224[11:31:36] <Pelle`> Iridos for ftp purpose, i dont wany my friends browsing trough my files :)
• 1225[11:31:37] <HaMsTeRs> hey guys, the sux package is gone, is there any replacement for it?
• 1226[11:31:56] <Iridos> Pelle`, wouldn't your files be in your home directory… which wouldn't be world-readable anyway?
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• 1229[11:33:33] <Iridos> and if you set it up like that… users should be able to do anything in their home directories that that tutorials calls an "internal SFTP processes"
• 1230[11:34:04] <Iridos> that means anything that can be done with sftp itself without the need to call any external program… because any external program doesn't exist in the chroot
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• 1237[11:35:27] <Iridos> err, except the last thing … why should /home/username be owned by root? it's a home directory… that doesn't seem to make any sense
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• 1240[11:36:26] <Iridos> dunno… that sounds pretty weird… if you figure out that that is indeed true, and why that is, let me know
• 1241[11:37:03] <Iridos> and yes… if /home/username is root-owned, you probably must make a subdirectory owned by the user, else they can only read
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• 1244[11:37:31] <Iridos> (and obviously they then can only write in that sub-directory)
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• 1246[11:38:13] <Pelle`> well dunno tbh, im just trying to create so that my friends can host there own sites on my server :) but the homedirectory for their users is changed to /sftp/chroot/username and i was gonna do a apache virtualhost for em
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• 1248[11:38:46] <Pelle`> all guides for the sftp says the folder needs to bee root owned, and idd i couldnt connect unless it was
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• 1254[11:41:39] <MACscr> shouldnt something like "Unattended-Upgrade::AutoFixInterruptedDpkg "true";" in my apt conf keep me from getting errors like so during my unattended updates?
• 1255[11:41:40] <MACscr> Error: /Stage[main]/Docsf/Package[host]/ensure: change from absent to present failed: Execution of '/usr/bin/apt-get -q -y -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confold install host' returned 100: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
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• 1275[11:52:58] <Iridos> Pelle`, the arch wiki explains a bit more explicitely what happens replaced-url
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• 1278[11:54:01] <Iridos> (and the wiki seems to describe pretty much exactly your scenario)
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• 1280[11:54:59] <MACscr> ah, maybe those settings really only apply to the unattended cron. i thought they would apply to any apt-get upgrade call
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• 1297[12:02:57] <AciD`> I installed a brand new debian via debootstrap, but when I try to update-grub from within the chroot, it does not find itself. Any ideas why? replaced-url
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• 1301[12:04:22] <TuxCrazy> has any new release of Debian happened?
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• 1303[12:05:12] <urlord> 8.7
• 1304[12:05:46] <nkuttler> !tell AciD` about localized errors
• 1305[12:06:11] <TuxCrazy> what is different in that?
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• 1310[12:07:49] <urlord> There are some minor buxfxes. The only needed step is to use apt update && apt upgrade.
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• 1312[12:08:16] <TuxCrazy> ok. great
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• 1316[12:08:56] <gen0> Hey guys. I'm in search of a program that can download a youtube video to mp3 format for debian. Anyone knows one ez program?
• 1317[12:09:04] <urlord> @TuxCrazy There is list of them replaced-url
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• 1319[12:09:54] <klys> gen0, youtube-dl + mencoder ?
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• 1328[12:12:34] <TuxCrazy> ok
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• 1331[12:17:15] <AciD`> nkuttler -> the translated version : replaced-url
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• 1338[12:21:38] <ZeroBeholder> ws2k3_: Old Indian trick... <Enter>, <~>, <.>
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• 1340[12:22:33] <ZeroBeholder> ws2k3_: That will force close a 'hung' ssh session from the client side. (Works on *buntu...)
• 1341[12:23:15] <guavas> gen0 youtube-dl
• 1342[12:23:28] <guavas> youtube-dl --audio-format mp3 LINK
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• 1347[12:25:22] <guavas> the package in jessie main is pretty outdated and often fails in downloading because of that, if you have problems try installing from replaced-url
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• 1379[12:47:28] <ghormoon> hi, can I force usb device current? I have a flashdrive that complains "no medium found on /dev/sda" and I've googled up that it might be wring current. and found out by lsusb that the stick says max current is 0mA
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• 1386[12:49:24] <Pelle`> will this stick trough reboot? mount --bind /an/folder /another/folder
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• 1389[12:49:57] <NoxiousPloK> don't think so
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• 1391[12:50:08] <NoxiousPloK> replaced-url
• 1392[12:50:32] <Pelle`> yea tought so :/
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• 1394[12:52:24] <sonOfRa> you can provide bind as an argument in an fstab entry, though
• 1395[12:52:50] <sonOfRa> /an/folder /another/folder none bind if I'm not mistaken
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• 1399[12:55:43] <Pelle`> i found a guide where it says echo '/one/folder /another/folder none bind' >> /etc/fstab is this correct?
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• 1401[12:56:08] <SynrG> Pelle`: yes, and is consistent with what sonOfRa and the man page (which is the ultimate authority) say
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• 1403[12:56:27] <SynrG> better to refer to man pages on your system than random "authorities" on the internet
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• 1405[12:56:43] <Pelle`> aye :) thanks alot
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• 1408[12:57:20] <SynrG> Pelle`: see 'man mount' and search for bind
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• 1412[13:00:03] <TuxCrazy> what is this MD5SUMS and MD5SUMS.sign?
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• 1415[13:00:37] <themill> !verify iso signature
• 1416[13:00:48] <TuxCrazy> how?
• 1417[13:00:52] <themill> !check iso signature
• 1418[13:00:53] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUM and SHA256SUM.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum debian.iso; grep debian.iso SHA256SUM; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
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• 1420[13:01:59] <TuxCrazy> ok
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• 1448[13:18:11] <Agafnd> what kernel version is jessie using?
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• 1450[13:18:24] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 1451[13:18:25] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.15-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
• 1452[13:18:29] <petn-randall> Agafnd: ^^^
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• 1454[13:18:35] <Agafnd> thanks
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• 1458[13:21:53] <TuxCrazy> how is the user base of Debian in India?
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• 1465[13:25:14] <TuxCrazy> how many packages are available in or for Debian?
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• 1468[13:26:16] <steakwipe> 8
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• 1475[13:28:05] <TuxCrazy> only 8?
• 1476[13:28:07] <Iridos> TuxCrazy, apt-cache search . | wc -l
• 1477[13:28:29] <TuxCrazy> ok
• 1478[13:28:35] <steakwipe> nah i said 8 then realized this wasn't -ot woops
• 1479[13:29:13] <Iridos> I get about 45K packages with that, but I have some external stuff like google-chrome
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• 1482[13:30:21] <Iridos> or if you're not in debian, get replaced-url
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• 1486[13:30:38] <Aebian> hmm I have a folder with chmod 740 on folders and 640 on files. And my user account has that group but I still cant access that folder via cd. I also tried setting the permissions to 770 but still can't access it. The folder is /online/replaced-url
• 1487[13:30:44] <Aebian> eas?
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• 1490[13:31:42] <Aebian> Its a serverbox so I dunno if disconnecting from the ssh session will re-log my account
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• 1493[13:32:16] <TuxCrazy> ok
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• 1508[13:38:18] <TuxCrazy> are there any companies who have adopted Debian entirely?
• 1509[13:39:00] <NoxiousPloK> for servers, we did
• 1510[13:39:09] <NoxiousPloK> but there are a lot of companies that use it for desktops aswell
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• 1512[13:39:14] <NoxiousPloK> one of my former employees did
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• 1516[13:40:31] <teraflops> TuxCrazy: are you aware #debian-offtopic exist
• 1517[13:40:37] <teraflops> ?
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• 1533[13:50:50] <petn-randall> Aebian: You need the x bit to access a directory, so the permissions should be 750 for the dir.
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• 1538[13:51:41] <petn-randall> Aebian: also see the paragraphs in 'description' of 'man chmod' for details.
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• 1541[13:52:04] <nwe> can someone share how they have done to get lvm+efi for preseed? I have try this.. but I dont get it too work.. replaced-url
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• 1543[13:52:17] <nwe> or can someone give me advice what Im doing wrong..
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• 1547[13:55:31] <Walker_m> (2) Connection 'wificonn' is not available on the device wlp4s0 at this time.
• 1548[13:55:53] <Walker_m> who can help me
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• 1568[14:04:53] <Aebian> petn-randall: wow you're my hero. Thanks that was it indeed
• 1569[14:05:16] <petn-randall> Aebian: Glad I could help. You're welcome!
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• 1578[14:10:52] <shiin> I got an issue with the jessie64 vagrant base box from replaced-url
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• 1590[14:21:15] <abrotman> shiin: you don't have the ability to install it?
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• 1613[14:32:40] <shiin> abrotman: Actually I just discovered that 8.6.1 doesn't have it installed either, but for some reason the Vagrant NFS mount fails because of it. I'm gonna try it again with the new version now.
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• 1626[14:37:53] <Ast001> Can you tell me what is clever answer to this question on apt-get upgrade on Debian 7 " Please enter 'all', 'none', or a space-separated list of devices such as 'md0 md1' or 'md/1 md/d0' (the leading '/dev/' │ │ can be omitted)." All is filled as answer but I destroyed few servers with all and need to reinstall and don't want to do that again.
• 1627[14:38:22] <Ast001> md0 is boot md1 is / partition in fstab
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• 1630[14:39:11] <Ast001> "MD arrays needed for the root file system:" is it md0 only md0 md1 or all ?
• 1631[14:39:26] <ws2k3> why does the reboot command in jessie not close the ssh session before it reboots?
• 1632[14:39:47] <petn-randall> Ast001: I always put all in there, and haven't had any problem. Would be important to know what you mean with "destroyed a few servers", though.
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• 1638[14:40:59] <Ast001> make them unbootable
• 1639[14:41:09] <Ast001> and need to reinstall after
• 1640[14:41:20] <Ast001> and my version is Jessie not Wheezy.
• 1641[14:41:31] <petn-randall> Ast001: That means, you couldn't even assemble the RAID by hand?
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• 1643[14:42:02] <Ast001> I am very bad in assembling RAID by hand just tried reboot and server did not wake up and I need to ask hoster to reinstall it completly.
• 1644[14:42:06] <petn-randall> Ast001: So you mean it happened on Debian jessie, right? Or just the mdadm from jessie?
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• 1646[14:42:45] <Ast001> I meant that Debian Jessie was unbootable after attempt to write all there before. I think mdadm messed up
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• 1649[14:43:30] <petn-randall> Ast001: Hard to say what the issue is without debugging it. I can only say that it doesn't happen in most cases for other people, otherwise there would have been several RC bugs on that package by now.
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• 1651[14:43:43] <petn-randall> Ast001: I'm guessing it's something specific to your hoster.
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• 1653[14:43:56] <petn-randall> (gotta go, brb in 1h)
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• 1655[14:44:27] <shiin> abrotman: my bad, now it's working.
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• 1657[14:45:01] <Ast001> So all should be safe right ? Can I check somehow in some file after like grub what it expect on boot ?
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• 1668[14:47:51] <ws2k3> why does the reboot command in jessie not close the ssh session before it reboots?
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• 1678[14:51:56] <Ast001> if my /boot/ is md0 and / is md1 and / is root maybe logic is to tell it md0 is needed (boot) to mount root ?
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• 1682[14:52:39] <toruvinn> Ast001, i havent been reading from the beginning, but files in /boot/ are basically loaded by bootloader, you dont really need tham that much later.
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• 1684[14:53:33] <Ast001> But I think during booting / filesystem is mounted
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• 1688[14:53:59] <Ast001> or kernel panic unable to mount / partition happen right ?
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• 1698[14:56:45] <toruvinn> Ast001, well you cant really boot without rootfs (let's not talk about initrd/initramfs here), so yeah, you need the MD with / to be up and running for kernel to be able to mount it as /. and that's why you answer this "which MDs are needed" question. but why would "all" "destroy servers"?
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• 1700[14:57:41] <toruvinn> Ast001, also good thing to do is to make sure your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf has up to date list of ARRAYs
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• 1707[15:00:15] <d0gbert> moin
• 1708[15:00:24] <ws2k3> why does the reboot command in jessie not close the ssh session before it reboots?
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• 1713[15:01:02] <Sabotender> greetings! Debian update?
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• 1717[15:02:45] <Sabotender> I heard there was a new one available
• 1718[15:02:50] <Sabotender> if true, very exciting
• 1719[15:02:54] <abrotman> Sabotender: /topic
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• 1753[15:12:55] <derpdude> typo in the topic
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• 1766[15:18:29] <TuxCrazy> has anybody here heard of Zorin OS?
• 1767[15:18:52] <bazhang> sure
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• 1769[15:19:10] <bazhang> they have a support channel here on freenode
• 1770[15:19:23] <ws2k3> why does the reboot command in jessie not close the ssh session before it reboots?
• 1771[15:19:31] <bazhang> /msg alis list zorin
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• 1777[15:20:38] <d0gbert> ws2k3: why should it?
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• 1780[15:21:27] <ws2k3> d0gbert ... cause thats more approriate? jessie is the first debian release where i see this behavior
• 1781[15:21:33] <d0gbert> and after reboot, I'm sure the session is closed.
• 1782[15:21:34] <abrotman> TuxCrazy: This is #debian, please try to stay on-topic
• 1783[15:21:42] <TuxCrazy> ok.
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• 1785[15:22:42] <ws2k3> d0gbert in wheezy when i hit reboot over ssh it prints servers is going to reboot. and the ssh session is closed. on jessie it just times out is that normal?
• 1786[15:22:53] <TuxCrazy> Since Debian is a benchmark in stability and security, I just was curious to know how secure and stable Zorin vis-a-vis Debian.
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• 1788[15:23:22] <abrotman> TuxCrazy: ask them, we can only commment on Debian, or perhaps ask ##linux if they knkow more
• 1789[15:23:52] <TuxCrazy> Moreover, the communities of other distros do not seem to be as vibrant as Debian community, at least on IRC.
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• 1792[15:24:05] <TuxCrazy> ok
• 1793[15:24:10] <abrotman> TuxCrazy: that does NOT make this the appropriate plcae to ask
• 1794[15:24:22] <TuxCrazy> ok
• 1795[15:24:27] <d0gbert> ws2k3: maybe it is connected with that systemd-foo which is the initd replacement now... but I am just guessing.
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• 1799[15:24:49] <d0gbert> init sent a "SIGTERM" to all processes, iirc
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• 1804[15:25:24] <d0gbert> maybe the systemd-foo needs an special option to do that
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• 1806[15:25:29] <ws2k3> d0gbert yeah i think so to but i dont understand why they didnt make this nicely. just a time-out is a bit strange
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• 1812[15:26:03] <ws2k3> d0gbertg i would assume this is one of the first things they find while testing debian
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• 1816[15:26:24] <d0gbert> ws2k3: interesting issue, but my boss calls me
• 1817[15:26:26] <d0gbert> :(
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• 1834[15:30:15] <DSZG> My screen is too bright.What should I do?
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• 1838[15:31:36] <DSZG> I searched on google.BUT it is still bright.
• 1839[15:32:29] <smojphac1> DSZG: Google search will not adjust your backlight, but xbacklight might!
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• 1841[15:33:16] <DSZG> I tried it.
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• 1843[15:33:37] <Walker_m> down a good software
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• 1845[15:34:14] <p1p10l0> DSZG: if there is some tuneable value in the kernel, you may find the related files with: find /sys -type f -iname '*bright*' 2>/dev/null
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• 1847[15:35:03] <smojphace> If you get really stuck, xrandr has a --brightness option - but it is a software only hack
• 1848[15:35:31] <DSZG> I tried it too
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• 1851[15:36:19] <TomTomTo1> explain exactly what you did and what the effect was.
• 1852[15:36:40] <bazhang> is there a 'dont work' factoid
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• 1854[15:37:43] <DSZG> AND /sys/class/backlight is empty
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• 1856[15:38:17] <teraflops> !doesn't work
• 1857[15:38:17] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 1858[15:38:23] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: command and complete output to paste.debian.net please.
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• 1860[15:38:43] <bazhang> cheers teraflops
• 1861[15:38:48] <teraflops> bazhang: /msg dpkg listkeys doesn't
• 1862[15:38:53] <DSZG> OK
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• 1866[15:40:29] <DSZG> replaced-url
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• 1870[15:42:09] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: that is just faulty and does nothing. what were you trying to do?
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• 1872[15:42:41] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: just try xbacklight --set 70 first and go from there.
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• 1874[15:42:53] <Pavr> !smart questions
• 1875[15:42:53] <dpkg> Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: replaced-url
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• 1878[15:43:25] <TomTomTo1> i wonder if there is a factoid for not spamming factoids...
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• 1882[15:44:06] <DSZG> I tried xbacklight.It does'nt work
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• 1884[15:44:12] <bazhang> probably something like /msgthebot
• 1885[15:44:28] <Pavr> sorry TomTomTo1
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• 1888[15:45:47] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: it simply does nothing? what about xrandr --output <tab to list outputs> --brightness 0.7
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• 1895[15:47:11] <Iridos> TomTomTo1, sure… e.g. msg
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• 1899[15:48:13] <teraflops> DSZG: then look at journalctl/syslog/dmesg maybe you need to pass a custom param form the bootloader to the kernel, (assuming youre using xbacklight correctly)
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• 1901[15:48:21] <DSZG> It has some output.replaced-url
• 1902[15:48:23] <teraflops> from*
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• 1906[15:48:52] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: you have to specify the output like i was trying to tell you with the example above.
• 1907[15:49:25] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: ah, nvm.
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• 1910[15:50:00] <Ooze> What's the best way to search all the files in the current directory for a string of text?
• 1911[15:50:08] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: try setting the brightness through software with xrandr.
• 1912[15:50:13] <Ooze> Trying to see if my old external ip is lingering in my apapche configs...
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• 1914[15:51:10] <DSZG> I can't use the TAB like this replaced-url
• 1915[15:52:04] <Iridos> TomTomTo1, ah, it's "selftell"
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• 1922[15:54:20] <ws2k3> why does the reboot command in jessie not close the ssh session before it reboots?
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• 1928[15:55:24] <inch> I guess that is because jessie is the first debian with systemd.
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• 1932[15:56:29] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: you have a period at the end of your command. it should autocomplete the outputs. if not, they are usually named LVDS1, VGA1, HDMI1, DP1 ...
• 1933[15:56:38] <smojphace> Ooze: grep has -r for recursive, but I often find myself using something like 'find /path -type f -exec grep -H search_term \;'
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• 1939[15:57:17] <smojphace> Ooze: oops, {}... 'find /path -type f -exec grep -H search_term {} \;'
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• 1945[15:58:52] <ws2k3> inch are you running jessie to? can you confirm this issue?
• 1946[15:59:27] <inch> Yes, I've noticed that.
• 1947[15:59:41] <inch> It seems to be fixed in stretch.
• 1948[16:00:12] <inch> While we wait for strecth to be ready: sudo reboot & exit
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• 1952[16:01:24] <DSZG> TomTomTo1:How should I use xrandr?
• 1953[16:02:17] <TomTomTo1> xrandr --output <the correct output> --brightness 0.7
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• 1955[16:03:15] <TomTomTo1> just running xrandr without arguments will show you the connected outputs too.
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• 1957[16:03:40] <DSZG> Thanks,I will try it
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• 1959[16:05:12] <DSZG> TomTomTo1:This is output replaced-url
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• 1969[16:08:06] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: what does xrandr --output default --brightness 0.7 say?
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• 1973[16:08:42] <DSZG> TomTomTo1:replaced-url
• 1974[16:09:15] <teraflops> ws2k3: install libpam-systemd
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• 1984[16:13:53] <TomTomTo1> xrandr is missing the usual output modes. probably needs graphics drivers, i wouldn't know.
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• 1987[16:15:25] <DSZG> TomTomTo1:OK,thank you
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• 1990[16:16:31] <DSZG> TomTomTo1: My graphic driver is intel
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• 1992[16:17:18] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: what processor exactly?
• 1993[16:17:58] <teraflops> DSZG: may I ask why doing it as root?
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• 1996[16:18:44] <DSZG> TomTomTo1: replaced-url
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• 1999[16:19:43] <Yukiteru> Haswell?
• 2000[16:20:03] <centrx> I know him
• 2001[16:20:15] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: that's pretty new. i would probably try the kernel from jessie-backports and also xserver-xorg-video-intel
• 2002[16:20:42] <petn-randall> Yukiteru: I have well, yes. You got the money?
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• 2004[16:21:11] <Yukiteru> petn-randall, ??
• 2005[16:21:16] <smojphace> lol
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• 2009[16:21:55] <petn-randall> Yukiteru: I asked a question, I provided an answer.
• 2010[16:22:08] <petn-randall> :)
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• 2013[16:23:17] <DSZG> TomTomTo1: Should I install them?
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• 2016[16:24:23] <petn-randall> Yukiteru: If you have a serious question, feel free to ask though.
• 2017[16:24:25] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: are you running debian jessie?
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• 2023[16:26:28] <DSZG> Debian GNU/Linux 8
• 2024[16:26:43] <DSZG> It may be Jessie
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• 2033[16:28:21] <DSZG> TomTomTo1: Yes
• 2034[16:28:34] <TomTomTo1> DSZG: then yes, i would test the kernel and intel drivers from jessie-backports. replaced-url
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• 2105[17:11:48] <Ooze> My external IP recently changed, and even after configuring my domain registrar and local apache configs I'm still having trouble
• 2106[17:12:05] <Ooze> Aside from /etc/hosts, is there somewhere my old external IP may be that is causing this impacT?
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• 2108[17:12:20] <teraflops> Ooze: define recently
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• 2112[17:13:32] <c__> what is going on here?
• 2113[17:13:36] <Ooze> 3-4 days ago
• 2114[17:13:40] <teraflops> Ooze: also, ttl exists, and some ISP caches dns
• 2115[17:14:01] <teraflops> Ooze: 3 4 days is a lot of time
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• 2117[17:14:07] <Ooze> It is a lot of time
• 2118[17:14:12] <Ooze> That's why I'm investigating
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• 2122[17:15:44] <teraflops> Ooze: are you using a custom dns server?
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• 2124[17:15:58] <teraflops> by custom I mean you run your own one
• 2125[17:16:32] <Ooze> Yes, I have two Windows servers I use has domain controllers
• 2126[17:16:46] <Ooze> I'm not super familiar w/ them, and was thinking perhaps my external IP is somewhere in there but I wouldn't know where to look
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• 2128[17:16:57] <Ooze> I've bounced my entire environment since obtaining the new iOP
• 2129[17:16:58] <Ooze> IP
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• 2131[17:18:11] <teraflops> Ooze: so did you try using an external resource for seeing if the DNS records changed?
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• 2133[17:18:36] <teraflops> if yes go blame your windows dns servers
• 2134[17:18:49] <Ooze> I made the changes in my domain registrar and I can see them reflected in googleapps Dig
• 2135[17:18:57] <Ooze> I'm at work rn though and still can't access
• 2136[17:18:59] <Ooze> outside of my network
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• 2138[17:19:08] <Ooze> but perhaps that's because of the internal routing or somehting w/ the DC anyway
• 2139[17:19:13] <teraflops> then you already know the answer
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• 2141[17:19:20] <jelly> Ooze: does the work resolve the hostname to the correct ip?
• 2142[17:19:21] <Ooze> Do I?
• 2143[17:19:30] <Ooze> Yes, it does
• 2144[17:19:37] <jelly> then dns is ok
• 2145[17:19:58] <Ooze> That's what I had figured. Even my internal DNS?
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• 2148[17:20:14] <Ooze> I've not made ANY changes but the external IP, A records in registrar, and apache configs
• 2149[17:20:23] <Ooze> So I don't understand why there would be some other issue...
• 2150[17:20:27] <p1p10l0> does the machine has iptables? if so... does it has rules with the old IP?
• 2151[17:20:42] <Ooze> I don't believe so
• 2152[17:21:58] <teraflops> Ooze: reverse proxy with old ip hanging around?
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• 2163[17:25:49] <Ooze> I have reverseproxy configured for a few sites, yes -- I don't believe I specify the external IP though
• 2164[17:26:05] <Ooze> I checked /etc/hosts and didn't see anything there
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• 2173[17:28:37] <Zardoz> arg, what am I doing wrong. system will not boot on a fresh install of 8.7 (reboot and slect proper boot drvice)
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• 2181[17:33:30] <Agafnd> hm, I want to make a debian 9 live usb stick -- what ISO should I download?
• 2182[17:33:58] <contrapunctus> Is it inadvisable to leave the root password blank during installation for a single user system?
• 2183[17:35:07] <klys> contrapunctus, depends on access to that system
• 2184[17:35:42] <contrapunctus> klys: it'll be installed on a flash drive
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• 2187[17:36:17] <jelly> contrapunctus: if you leave it blank, debian-installer will install sudo and give your user permissions to use sudo to become root
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• 2189[17:36:54] <contrapunctus> jelly: yeah, I understand that, but is that a bad thing?
• 2190[17:36:57] <jelly> you won't be able to log in as root directly
• 2191[17:37:12] <contrapunctus> (also, the user will be asked to authenticate, right?)
• 2192[17:37:26] <jelly> it's not necessarily a good or bad thing, but a matter of policy
• 2193[17:37:26] <klys> then no, you don't have to have a password, unless you're enabling anonymous login over a network, which is unlikely
• 2194[17:37:52] <jelly> contrapunctus: you will be asked for a username and password for the first user yes
• 2195[17:38:00] <jelly> that always happens
• 2196[17:38:03] <klys> the policies are in /etc/pam.d/*
• 2197[17:38:22] <jelly> that's... not completely wrong
• 2198[17:38:45] <jelly> but probably irrelevant
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• 2200[17:38:58] <contrapunctus> cool, thanks :D
• 2201[17:39:13] <jelly> klys: I mean company/owner policy.
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• 2203[17:39:46] <klys> not logging in as root?
• 2204[17:40:07] <klys> that's up to the sysadmin
• 2205[17:41:21] <klys> there isn't a debian company policy.
• 2206[17:41:27] <klys> it's gpl
• 2207[17:41:48] <klys> =)
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• 2218[17:46:45] <ZeroBeholder> Anyone else had to deal with ca-certificates when updating a new node breaking noninteractive stand up?
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• 2221[17:47:30] <ZeroBeholder> So, in trying to solve the problem myself-- I've tried apt-get upgrade -qy ca-certificates. I've already had DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive. I've configured /etc/apt/listchanges.conf with frontend=none. I've apt-get removed apt-listchanges . And a tcl "expect" script... Any thing anyone would generously proffer for me to try next?
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• 2223[17:48:24] <klys> how's your script coming?
• 2224[17:49:12] <ZeroBeholder> 1,400 lines and counting-- looking forward to adapting it for stretch. Didn't know anyone knew I was working on something...
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• 2227[17:49:39] <ZeroBeholder> The little expect script is like 4 lines...
• 2228[17:49:59] <klys> if you can do it on one system, you can do it on another; how many images do you roll out?
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• 2233[17:51:06] <ZeroBeholder> That is the thing, the update of ca-certificates is requesting an interactive press of the "q" key and I can't seem to turn it off anywhere.
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• 2237[17:52:25] <ZeroBeholder> It is the mozilla certificates update that is either a dependency or included by default-- either way, I would update it if it didn't break unattended running otherwise.
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• 2239[17:52:44] <klys> you know, the postinst script is in the deb under control.tar.gz, in case you need a script to modify that behavior.
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• 2241[17:54:20] <ZeroBeholder> I think I may have jumped in on a conversation already going on... aaand the responses may not be meant for me.
• 2242[17:54:53] <klys> i said that to you
• 2243[17:55:18] <ZeroBeholder> Yeah, it breaks everywhere. I haven't gotten it to work via any strategy yet.
• 2244[17:55:27] <contrapunctus> Great. "The ext4 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI5 (0,0,0) (sdb) failed."
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• 2246[17:55:50] <contrapunctus> How do I get more information on what went wrong? :\
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• 2250[17:56:43] <klys> ar x /var/cache/apt/archives/ca-certificates_*.deb; tar zxpvf control.tar.gz; ...modify postinst script with grep or something; dpkg -iGREB new.deb
• 2251[17:56:50] <ZeroBeholder> ca-certificates (20141019+deb8u2) stable; urgency=medium
• 2252[17:56:52] <ZeroBeholder> Update Mozilla certificate authority bundle to version 2.9.
• 2253[17:56:53] <ZeroBeholder> The following certificate authorities were added (+):
• 2254[17:56:55] <ZeroBeholder> + "Certplus Root CA G1"
• 2255[17:56:56] <ZeroBeholder> + "Certplus Root CA G2"
• 2256[17:56:58] <ZeroBeholder> + "Certum Trusted Network CA 2"
• 2257[17:56:59] <ZeroBeholder> + "Hellenic Academic and Research Institutions ECC RootCA 2015"
• 2258[17:57:01] <ZeroBeholder> + "Hellenic Academic and Research Institutions RootCA 2015"
• 2259[17:57:02] <ZeroBeholder> + "ISRG Root X1"
• 2260[17:57:04] <ZeroBeholder> + "OpenTrust Root CA G1"
• 2261[17:57:05] <ZeroBeholder> + "OpenTrust Root CA G2"
• 2262[17:57:07] <ZeroBeholder> + "OpenTrust Root CA G3"
• 2263[17:57:08] <ZeroBeholder> + "SZAFIR ROOT CA2"
• 2264[17:57:10] <ZeroBeholder> The following certificate authorities were removed (-):
• 2265[17:57:11] <ZeroBeholder> - "CA Disig"
• 2266[17:57:12] <klys> #flood
• 2267[17:57:13] <ZeroBeholder> - "NetLock Business (Class B) Root"
• 2268[17:57:14] <ZeroBeholder> - "NetLock Express (Class C) Root"
• 2269[17:57:14] * smojphace asplodes
• 2270[17:57:16] <ZeroBeholder> - "NetLock Notary (Class A) Root"
• 2271[17:57:17] <ZeroBeholder> - "NetLock Qualified (Class QA) Root"
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• 2282[17:58:35] <HeXiLeD> anyone know of a good and --> working <-- HOWTO/doc about how to restrict shell access? want to give sftp to some users on their shell but jail them inside it.
• 2283[17:58:42] <klys> contrapunctus, mkfs.ext4
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• 2295[18:03:21] <Agafnd> is it possible to make a stretch live USB stick?
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• 2299[18:04:06] <contrapunctus> klys: apparently it was mounted. wat.
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• 2302[18:04:58] <klys> contrapunctus, you did mkfs on a mounted partition? exciting.
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• 2304[18:05:06] <contrapunctus> lol
• 2305[18:06:01] <contrapunctus> why was it mounted, though, I wonder.
• 2306[18:06:22] <klys> nobody umounted it?
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• 2308[18:06:58] <contrapunctus> shouldn't an installation medium not really mount anything to begin with? o.O
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• 2313[18:07:32] <contrapunctus> "Failed to determine the codename for the release."
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• 2315[18:07:37] <contrapunctus> wat.
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• 2317[18:07:55] <klys> agafnd, do you need bootloader options?
• 2318[18:08:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1709
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• 2323[18:08:36] <Agafnd> klys: how do you mean? all I really need is a bootable usb stick of stretch
• 2324[18:09:10] <klys> oh? what iso image and what's the usb size?
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• 2328[18:09:40] <Agafnd> that's the thing, I don't know which iso to get
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• 2330[18:09:50] <Agafnd> the usb stick is ~4 GB I think
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• 2333[18:10:37] <contrapunctus> klys: dvd image I think, 8.6...-1, 8 gigs
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• 2336[18:11:38] <ZeroBeholder> Sorry again. Bah. I meant to post the single next line because it helped me most when I was googling.
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• 2338[18:12:05] <teraflops> ZeroBeholder: pastefail happens
• 2339[18:12:16] <ZeroBeholder> Update Mozilla certificate authority bundle to version 2.9.
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• 2345[18:13:37] <klys> do you know how to fetch the live kernel commandline from isolinux? mount -t iso9660 -o loop file8.6.iso /mnt
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• 2347[18:14:44] <ZeroBeholder> Based on what I've already tried, is there another way around either turning off the notification or faking human interaction for what is just a notification about when certificates Mozilla has given their blessing to? I like the package and updating is fine. Maybe I've already tried the best thing and I need to do it a different way.
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• 2351[18:15:55] <ZeroBeholder> In case I have a request for Y when my problem is actually X issue-- I just want to update the system. That is my base end goal. I am forced to start with an 8.1 base image...
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• 2355[18:16:59] <klys> ar x /var/cache/apt/archives/ca-certificates_*.deb; tar zxpvf control.tar.gz; ...modify postinst script with grep or something; dpkg -iGREB new.deb
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• 2373[18:25:40] <ZeroBeholder> I will give that a shot klys. You had said it earlier, but it is a foreign concept to me I had thought it was meant for someone else.
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• 2375[18:26:19] <ZeroBeholder> Thank you.
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• 2377[18:26:25] <klys> sure
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• 2391[18:30:52] <contrapunctus> klys: could it be because I'm trying to use replaced-url
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• 2395[18:32:48] <klys> contrapunctus, did you already try unetbootin? curious
• 2396[18:33:17] <jelly> !unetbootin
• 2397[18:33:17] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 2398[18:33:34] <contrapunctus> klys: I just cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX
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• 2400[18:33:48] <jelly> contrapunctus: that's fine and supposed to work
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• 2402[18:34:38] <klys> well, i
• 2403[18:34:59] <contrapunctus> jelly: and re: the dvd images?
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• 2408[18:35:19] <klys> well, i'd fix up squashfs and install grub and specify a kernel commandline
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• 2411[18:36:09] <contrapunctus> klys: scary, never done any of those before :\
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• 2413[18:36:14] <jelly> no idea, too tired to scroll up and read anything more than current screenful
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• 2420[18:37:36] <contrapunctus> jelly: <contrapunctus> klys: could it be because I'm trying to use replaced-url
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• 2429[18:40:21] <jelly> contrapunctus: oh, saw that
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• 2431[18:40:56] <klys> if you want to install grub on a usb drive, mount /boot, modify /boot/grub/devices.map to (hd0) /dev/my-usb-drive, grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/my-usb-drive
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• 2435[18:41:40] <klys> then copy the squashfs image over
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• 2439[18:42:03] <klys> this all seems so easy to me...
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• 2474[18:57:40] <jhutchins> Have we checked the md5sum of the download?
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• 2498[19:04:47] <Agafnd> how does one upgrade to stretch?
• 2499[19:05:02] <Agafnd> is it just a matter of changing a few things in the sources.list
• 2500[19:05:06] <greycat> Agafnd: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
• 2501[19:05:11] <Agafnd> thanks
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• 2503[19:05:55] <n4dir> if you are lucky Agafnd, then it is just a question of changing the sources list (update, upgrade, dist-upgrade). I for one am usually lucky (but got very comfortable hardware)
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• 2506[19:06:29] <n4dir> the proper answer is probably to read release notes, or such. Lucky me never had to do it. ...
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• 2511[19:07:23] <Fahr> hello all
• 2512[19:07:42] <Fahr> I have an odd issue trying to install Debian on an old server with a 3ware RAID card and 2 SATA HDs on the mainboard
• 2513[19:07:54] <Fahr> the installer finds the configured 3Ware RAID array, but not the 2 SATA disks
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• 2517[19:08:10] <Fahr> but if I open a console and run fdisk -l, the disks are listed
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• 2519[19:08:17] <Fahr> so the OS finds them, but the installer does not?
• 2520[19:08:22] <Fahr> any idea what's happening here?
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• 2533[19:18:03] <klys> fahr i've had the same problem with a recent installer .iso
• 2534[19:18:11] <klys> it's weird.
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• 2542[19:19:48] <blawiz> cant one change hdmi volume form computer?
• 2543[19:20:14] <klys> get snd modules
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• 2548[19:21:52] <Fahr> klys - so it's an installer issue you figure? would it help to downgrade?
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• 2552[19:22:54] <klys> fahr, i usually upgrade,start with squeeze or so
• 2553[19:23:12] <at0m> blawiz: afaik, hdmi works like S/P-DIF, and forwards audio unchanged, with the only option being mute or unmute. new in 4.8 kernel is CEC, which allows for changes to the hdmi destination level, once apps implement it.
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• 2557[19:24:28] <Fahr> klys, thanks I will try installers for 7 and 6 and see if it helps... I suppose that once it runs I can just dist-upgrade
• 2558[19:24:57] <at0m> Fahr: also, debian does not support downgrades.
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• 2560[19:25:52] <at0m> Fahr: /msg dpkg downgrade
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• 2562[19:26:28] <Fahr> at0m, I know; I meant downgrading the installer from 8 to 7 (or 6) - I currently don't even have it installed, because I cannot list the disks I want to install to
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• 2564[19:26:41] <at0m> Fahr: oh, i see
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• 2574[19:30:52] <julsex> I'm using windows and Win32DiskImager to install Debian on an sd card but I'm having a hard time finding the right image. I got a Raspberry Pi 3 (64-bit ARMv8). Which image should I use and where can I download it? Thanks!
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• 2579[19:31:30] <at0m> julsex: try raspbian.org, not debian
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• 2582[19:31:37] <n4dir> iirc back in the days you could use the testing installer to install debian stable, finding it might be a bit of a pain (if that is a good idea at all, or if it helps in this case? I said nothing about it)
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• 2589[19:32:53] <at0m> n4dir: in my experience, debian testing installer installs testing.
• 2590[19:33:19] <thanatos-inc_> theoretically, you could switch repos mid installation :D
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• 2596[19:34:24] <n4dir> at0m: like said, there were isos for such. That usually the testing-installer comes with a testing iso seems to be obvious
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• 2598[19:34:42] <n4dir> but might recall wrong
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• 2603[19:37:06] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 2606[19:38:32] <RoyK> any idea how I can monitor synchronous i/o only to just leave async stuff out of the equation for now?
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• 2609[19:39:48] <contrapunctus> "To prepare the USB stick, you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running [...]"
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• 2611[19:39:51] <contrapunctus> wait what
• 2612[19:40:29] <greycat> If you want to generate a USB installer from Windows, there are programs you can download to do that, but native Windows is shit.
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• 2615[19:41:25] <contrapunctus> oh, that's for the installer.
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• 2625[19:48:45] <Zardoz> YAY I fiwed my loading boot issues
• 2626[19:48:54] <Zardoz> fixed that is
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• 2650[19:59:49] <FrNcS_Fr> Hey, what config to use to compile debian kernel except in /boot/ ?
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• 2655[20:03:16] <FrNcS_Fr> ??
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• 2657[20:03:21] <JamesB> Hello. Is there a particular reason the label on the 8.7 CD is "HACK 1"? The MD5 checks out :P
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• 2662[20:05:14] <awal1> Not jessie related, sorry. I'm thinking in stabilize one of my sid machines, downgrade stuff when possible to stretch for stabilize the system with stretch release. I dont have testing machine. So looking if there is any magic command which will involve dpkg -l, rmadison and diff. any suggestion?
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• 2664[20:05:52] <greycat> Our suggestion will be to reinstall.
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• 2668[20:06:47] <awal1> sure, but I thought at least I can do that (mix dpkg, rmadison and diff) :P
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• 2679[20:11:51] <FrNcS_Fr> Anyone can help me?
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• 2681[20:12:08] <greycat> You already answered your own question.
• 2682[20:12:29] <greycat> Copy the config.* from /boot and use "make oldconfig"
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• 2685[20:12:43] <greycat> err, config-*
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• 2689[20:13:11] <FrNcS_Fr> No because the one in /boot is of 4.8 but i want the 4.9 one
• 2690[20:13:30] <greycat> Then copy the config-* FROM SOME OTHER FUCKING /boot
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• 2693[20:13:57] <somiaj> configs don't change that much, but I don't know if debian has a 4.9 config to start with. 4.8 is a starting point.
• 2694[20:14:08] <FrNcS_Fr> Ni
• 2695[20:14:09] <FrNcS_Fr> No
• 2696[20:14:16] <greycat> He wants a fucking sid config for a fucking sid kernel and he's aking HERE, so he gets the lashing.
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• 2698[20:14:37] <greycat> ,kernels
• 2699[20:14:38] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.15-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
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• 2703[20:15:16] <FrNcS_Fr> Yes i fucking want that fucking config for that fucking kernel
• 2704[20:15:21] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2705[20:15:31] <greycat> Fucking assholes. GO TO #debian-next ON OFTC YOU IDIOT.
• 2706[20:15:48] <Pavr> having a bad day?
• 2707[20:15:49] <somiaj> oh I didn't realize 4.9 was in sid, you could get the config file from the package
• 2708[20:15:51] <greycat> Sid users should not have to ask this shit.
• 2709[20:15:51] <FrNcS_Fr> You rude
• 2710[20:16:02] <greycat> You use sid, you KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE DOING FIRST.
• 2711[20:16:27] <FrNcS_Fr> I'm not using sid
• 2712[20:16:50] <FrNcS_Fr> Thats the point
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• 2719[20:18:34] <Pavr> replaced-url
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• 2723[20:18:44] <Pavr> just use the 4.8 config
• 2724[20:18:54] <thanatos-inc_> FrNcS_Fr: if you are confused about the config file from 4.8 being useful to build 4.9, then you should just google about kernel building the debian way. or you could just wait a few days. I'm sure backports will have 4.9 soon. Testing will have it too AFAIK, since Debian vowed to use the next LTS kernel for the next stable.
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• 2727[20:19:57] <somiaj> well it is now in sid, so about 10 days with out any rc bugs for testing, then a few more days after that for backports
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• 2732[20:20:31] <wbx> hi. is there a date for debian 9 release? what linux kernel will be used for the release?
• 2733[20:20:47] <FrNcS_Fr> But wat is the conig?
• 2734[20:20:51] <awal1> dpkg: tell wbx about stretch release
• 2735[20:21:26] <awal1> hm, not the correct factoid :P
• 2736[20:21:40] <wbx> wiki shows Linux 4.10, but isn't 4.9 the next LTS?
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• 2738[20:21:56] <wbx> replaced-url
• 2739[20:22:21] <FrNcS_Fr> 8:20 PM <FrNcS_Fr> But wat is the conig?
• 2740[20:22:22] <greycat> If you've got a link to a debian-devel (or whatever list) announcement with updated info on the stretch goals, you could edit the wiki to reflect the new information.
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• 2742[20:23:18] <FrNcS_Fr> 8:20 PM <FrNcS_Fr> But wat is the conig?
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• 2744[20:23:23] <awal1> wbx, stretch will be released with 4.10, yeah, according to dd's. release will happen around april-may-june
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• 2746[20:23:36] <greycat> Hahahaha!
• 2747[20:23:46] <awal1> :D
• 2748[20:23:47] <greycat> Unless you meant April-may-june 2018.
• 2749[20:23:50] <wbx> awal1: hmm. but 4.10 is not LTS?
• 2750[20:23:56] <FrNcS_Fr> 8:20 PM <FrNcS_Fr> But wat is the conig?!!!!!
• 2751[20:24:08] <awal1> greycat, I mean it will be released for sure during 2017 :P
• 2752[20:24:19] <greycat> Show me the email.
• 2753[20:24:37] <awal1> about 4.10?
• 2754[20:24:43] <greycat> About anything you just said.
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• 2756[20:24:51] <FrNcS_Fr> Answero meee
• 2757[20:24:58] <wbx> why not 4.9 LTS?
• 2758[20:25:13] <Pavr> FrNcS_Fr, everyone did multiple times. read the answers and go away.
• 2759[20:25:21] <awal1> hmmm, abit later greycat, I have to check my gmail :P
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• 2761[20:25:40] <wbx> 4.10 isn't out yet, the wiki says freeze on 5.2.2017.
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• 2763[20:25:52] <wbx> not much time to test a not yet released kernel.
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• 2765[20:26:04] <greycat> wbx: if you have updated information, show us.
• 2766[20:26:06] <FrNcS_Fr> Pavr shut up faggot
• 2767[20:26:14] <ToHellWithGA> i nearly upgraded from jessie to stretch but tasksel is stuck configuring gdm3
• 2768[20:26:21] <ToHellWithGA> what can i do to unstick it?
• 2769[20:26:25] <wbx> greycat: i have no information, I just have questions :/
• 2770[20:26:29] <ToHellWithGA> i want to reboot into this new kernel
• 2771[20:27:07] <greycat> !debian-next
• 2772[20:27:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2775[20:27:56] <ToHellWithGA> greycat: i think this is a tasksel and gdm thing more than a stretch thing
• 2776[20:27:59] <awal1> greycat, a little bit of what I said replaced-url
• 2777[20:28:04] <ToHellWithGA> can gdm not be configured when it's already running?
• 2778[20:28:10] <FrNcS_Fr> 8:20 PM <FrNcS_Fr> But wat is the conig?
• 2779[20:28:43] <greycat> awal1: that's the part we already knew. That's what the wiki was written from.
• 2780[20:29:00] <awal1> right
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• 2783[20:29:51] <awal1> well, some one have wrote a factoid for stretch release, I just wanted to call dpkg about that, but I no remember exact words
• 2784[20:30:15] <greycat> !stretch release
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• 2788[20:31:39] <n4dir> dpkg: wish i knew, n4dir
• 2789[20:31:39] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, n4dir
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• 2792[20:32:34] <FrNcS_Fr> Are you sure i need 4.8 config?
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• 2794[20:32:58] <n4dir> "It is also possible to reuse your old configuration file by placing it as a .config"
• 2795[20:33:05] <n4dir> ***possible***
• 2796[20:33:20] <FrNcS_Fr> I mean the version
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• 2804[20:35:22] <awal1> wbx, no one can tell you when debian 9 will be released, all depends on the rc bugs. you can follow news here replaced-url
• 2805[20:35:23] <FrNcS_Fr> ??
• 2806[20:36:07] <FrNcS_Fr> Answeerrrrr
• 2807[20:36:10] <n4dir> wbx: as far it's me: this way or that way it is still more than just a while to go. No need to think about it already
• 2808[20:36:34] <awal1> FrNcS_Fr, nobody is obligated to help you / answer you
• 2809[20:36:52] <n4dir> but everyone is free to ignore ...
• 2810[20:36:57] <FrNcS_Fr> Yes
• 2811[20:37:00] <awal1> this is a community/volunteering channel
• 2812[20:37:04] <FinalX> ...or likely to answer when people act like that
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• 2814[20:37:20] <wbx> n4dir: the choice for the kernel would be important to know for me
• 2815[20:37:46] <awal1> FrNcS_Fr, you also have debian forums, mailing lists and so.
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• 2818[20:37:56] <FinalX> Why do you guys even bother talking to him after this: 20:26:06 <FrNcS_Fr> Pavr shut up faggot
• 2819[20:38:04] <n4dir> wbx: i see. But stable-backports always have pretty new kernels (might be me, but i still don't think much about what will be in more than half a year)
• 2820[20:38:07] <FinalX> He should be gone, not helped, imo.
• 2821[20:38:13] <le_pig> ^^
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• 2826[20:38:33] <wbx> n4dir: it is more about having older kernel working with some isdn device ;)
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• 2828[20:38:49] <n4dir> then use the older kernels
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• 2831[20:39:00] <awal1> FrNcS_Fr, also, you have replaced-url
• 2832[20:39:02] <FrNcS_Fr> Same as 8:15 PM <greycat> Fucking assholes.  GO TO #debian-next ON OFTC YOU IDIOT.
• 2833[20:39:04] <wbx> i would like todo some pretesting with the kernel used in the release
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• 2836[20:39:34] <wbx> i don't want to support a kernel for lets say the next 5 years or so..
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• 2838[20:39:41] <greycat> wbx: then go to #debian-next on OFTC and ask them how you can help test
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• 2842[20:40:10] <wbx> greycat: i have no time for that. i just wnat to know the version. but okay. i go there. thx
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• 2855[20:42:23] <Pavr> wbx, /whois FinalX
• 2856[20:42:28] <Pavr> durp
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• 2858[20:43:05] <FinalX> ? :)
• 2859[20:43:51] * n4dir wouldn't know if there are any problems running stable with old-stable kernel. can't see why it should
• 2860[20:43:55] <FinalX> FrNcS_Fr: I don't condone what greycat said back there, but it's not a cart blanche to go calling people names yourself :p
• 2861[20:43:58] <Pavr> nevermind made a mistake FinalX :)
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• 2863[20:44:21] <FinalX> ... especially not when expecting (read: demanding) help
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• 2865[20:44:43] <wbx> n4dir: but old-stable kernel get's no security updates when stable is stable, right?
• 2866[20:44:44] <FrNcS_Fr> No, you fucking rude
• 2867[20:45:15] <n4dir> if it wouldn't get sec updates, what would be the point in old-stable?
• 2868[20:45:26] <le_pig> ..or the fact that the Debian project can accommodate heated tempers, but certainly doesn't have room for homophobia. #its2017
• 2869[20:45:30] <Pavr> FinalX, just ignore him. he'll explode soon enough and get kicked out.
• 2870[20:45:51] <greycat> old-stable gets *some* security support through the LTS volunteers, but it is not the full security team, and it is generally limited to server-type packages, not desktop stuff
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• 2872[20:46:05] <n4dir> thanks, greycat
• 2873[20:46:09] <FrNcS_Fr> Pavr: booom
• 2874[20:46:17] <FrNcS_Fr> Rip FrNcS_Fr
• 2875[20:46:42] <n4dir> can't say i think much about kernels. some black magic ... which kinda always seems to work for me
• 2876[20:47:17] <somiaj> to clarify, oldstable gets full security support for a year after the release, then it becomes lts
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• 2878[20:47:25] <n4dir> oh, ah, uh, i need the newest kernel. I never understood that
• 2879[20:47:28] <wbx> but when glibc in stretch detects some new syscall in the kernel used in stretch, it will not work nicely on a 3.16 jessie kernel. ;/
• 2880[20:47:34] <n4dir> thanks somiaj
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• 2883[20:48:06] <somiaj> so currently wheezy-lts is only supported for i386/amd64 server side software, but jessie will be fully supported for about a year after the release of stretch before it becomes the responsability fo the lts team
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• 2885[20:48:13] <n4dir> i bet my routers and my TV have something like a 2.6.26 kernel, or even older ...
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• 2888[20:48:51] <wbx> n4dir: yes, but your router and tv might not be used in some area where security might be important.
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• 2891[20:49:17] <awal1> wbx, what's your real question, btw?
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• 2893[20:49:49] <wbx> awal1: my question is; which kernel version will be shipped with stretch or is this not decided yet.
• 2894[20:50:02] <n4dir> well: if security is that important to you, then comping a kernel every now and then, applying sec patches, doesn't sound like too much work.
• 2895[20:50:06] <n4dir> you can't have it all
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• 2897[20:50:14] <somiaj> wbx: my understanding is 4.9 since that will be the lts kernel supported upstream as well
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• 2899[20:50:49] <somiaj> Partly the freeze of strech was delayed for this reason, to try to get the kernel version to match the upstream lts version.
• 2900[20:50:54] <n4dir> not sure if a router is something where security doesn't come into the game, btw
• 2901[20:50:57] <wbx> somiaj: okay, that would be nice. the wiki says 4.10 so this was not clear to me.
• 2902[20:51:02] <zykotick9> somiaj: replaced-url
• 2903[20:51:12] <greycat> *sigh*
• 2904[20:51:29] <greycat> 14:27 awal1> greycat, a little bit of what I said replaced-url
• 2905[20:51:30] <somiaj> wbx: zykotick9: afiak that info there is a rough guess as to what the lts kernel would have been at the time, but everyting I'm hearing is 4.9 is actually going to be the lts kernel release.
• 2906[20:51:33] <greycat> 14:28 greycat> awal1: that's the part we already knew. That's what the wiki was written from.
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• 2908[20:51:44] <Pavr> are we in a timeloop?
• 2909[20:51:48] <greycat> Yes.
• 2910[20:52:03] <wbx> somiaj: so thanks. that make me sleep well gain ;P
• 2911[20:52:08] <wbx> again.
• 2912[20:52:18] <awal1> wbx, check that link. if not satisfied, ask debian kernel team
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• 2915[20:53:08] <greycat> I'm sure it's outdated information. It's 10 months old.
• 2916[20:53:19] <awal1> maybe next week debian kernel and release teams will switch to microsoft windows and no stretch at all, wbx
• 2917[20:53:22] <greycat> Unfortunately nobody has posted anything newer to supersede it yet.
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• 2919[20:53:56] <wbx> awal1: aha. sure, after trump buy all debian-devs and pay for their souls. sure.
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• 2921[20:54:18] <pingouin> hello #debian
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• 2924[20:55:11] <wbx> 5th February 2018: Full freeze
• 2925[20:55:16] <wbx> was this a typo?
• 2926[20:55:27] <greycat> Yes. Another announcement was sent shortly afterward.
• 2927[20:55:28] <somiaj> yea, the freeze is happening next month.
• 2928[20:55:31] <wbx> ah, yes :=)
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• 2977[21:26:39] <AciD`> hi, I created a new debian installation with debootstrap from my current host system. Now, I tried updating this host grub as well as the target debian grub cfg, but somehow the Debian entry is mentionned (by os-prober), but not written in the grub.cfg (cf. replaced-url
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• 2980[21:27:48] <somiaj> AciD`: is the version of grub you are booting from installed from your original system or from your new chroot.
• 2981[21:28:15] <somiaj> AciD`: looksl ike you are updating the chroot file, and not the actual file grub is using. Also what you did could get overwritten with kernel upgrades.
• 2982[21:28:16] <AciD`> somiaj -> I tried from both system
• 2983[21:28:37] <somiaj> AciD`: Which os actually has grub-install on the device you are booting from?
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• 2986[21:28:42] <AciD`> well, I first tried to run `update-grub` from my host system
• 2987[21:29:13] <AciD`> grub was installed on multiple hard-disk, and they are chainloaded automatically
• 2988[21:29:14] <somiaj> also those are strange kernels for a recent debian stretch install
• 2989[21:29:42] <AciD`> the kernel there are from the current host system, kubuntu 16.04 iirc
• 2990[21:29:49] <AciD`> you can ignore that ;)
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• 2993[21:30:37] <AciD`> the bios is configured to first check the grub that is on /dev/sdb (on which my debian system is installed)
• 2994[21:30:58] <AciD`> which is why I specified to write the grub.cfg there
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• 2996[21:31:24] <somiaj> then you should write the config from within the chroot, using the debian tools
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• 2999[21:31:52] <AciD`> I'll try again and post the result here, but I did that yesterday and got the same result
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• 3002[21:34:01] <AciD`> somiaj -> yep, Debian does not see itself :( replaced-url
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• 3012[21:36:18] <AciD`> note: when I use `os-prober` from the chroot, it does not see itself
• 3013[21:37:00] <somiaj> have you installed a kernel?
• 3014[21:37:16] <somiaj> debootstrap won't install one by default
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• 3034[21:40:34] <AciD`> somiaj -> oh!
• 3035[21:40:36] <AciD`> :o
• 3036[21:41:30] <sh00p> why would one want a kernel in the chroot?
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• 3038[21:41:46] <AciD`> well, `dpkg --set-selections < myList` really did not work as intended
• 3039[21:41:51] <greycat> If you plan to mount it not-as-a-chroot at some point. Or to boot from it, even.
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• 3041[21:42:01] <AciD`> sh00p -> when you want to install a new system without using a usb key
• 3042[21:42:07] <sh00p> ah, ok
• 3043[21:42:11] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
• 3044[21:42:12] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
• 3045[21:42:27] <somiaj> AciD`: ^^ I like that over using dpkg --set-selections if you are trying to clone a systems packages
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• 3047[21:42:29] <AciD`> my previous debian system crashed (thanks to btrfs), so I had to install a new one..
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• 3049[21:43:18] * AciD` scribbles some mental notes about that aptitude clone method
• 3050[21:43:22] <AciD`> thanks!
• 3051[21:43:31] <maxxe> if I've created a program and want to create a package for it for debian and make it available via apt, how do I do?
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• 3057[21:45:15] <somiaj> maxxe: is your goal to create a local package (one for just you) or one that you want to get into debian?
• 3058[21:45:28] <somiaj> maxxe: if it is a local package, any reason why you want to isntall it with apt, and not just dpkg or gdebi?
• 3059[21:46:03] <AciD`> thing I learn today : grub will 'detect' a debian system even if it has not working linux kernel installed, and will therefore not write anything about in the grub.cfg file, while not showing any warning/error message
• 3060[21:46:09] <AciD`> perhaps I'll declare a bug about that
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• 3062[21:46:32] <maxxe> somiaj, no. get it into debian.
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• 3064[21:47:17] <somiaj> maxxe: this is a process of finding a sponsor. Check out mentors.debian.net and #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
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• 3066[21:49:08] <maxxe> a sponsor? ok.
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• 3068[21:51:00] <somiaj> maxxe: read mentors.debian.net (tl;dr only debian developers can upload packages, so you will need to find a developer who will sponsor your package -- you will still be the matainer but they are the trust point for the upload)
• 3069[21:51:33] <maxxe> ok
• 3070[21:53:42] <somiaj> maxxe: if you don't wish to be the matainer, the only other option is file a request to package bug
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• 3075[21:56:40] <maxxe> somiaj: ok
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• 3097[22:13:01] <ZeroBeholder> Spin up instance --> apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade; update sources.list.d; apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade
• 3098[22:13:10] <ZeroBeholder> Makes it all go away...
• 3099[22:13:33] <ZeroBeholder> Just an initial update with the minimal, default repos enabled.
• 3100[22:13:44] <ZeroBeholder> *update & upgrade
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• 3103[22:14:57] <ZeroBeholder> Lesson learned.
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• 3105[22:15:32] <ZeroBeholder> klys: your updating the post install file worked-- it just didn't feel right though.
• 3106[22:16:15] <ZeroBeholder> From now on, step one is applying updates.
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• 3108[22:17:07] <awal1> ZeroBeholder, -y all the time isn't really a good idea
• 3109[22:17:57] <awal1> maybe, just maybe, "okay" under stable...
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• 3112[22:20:17] <ZeroBeholder> Unattended spin ups...
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• 3114[22:21:09] <ZeroBeholder> You are correct. Using stable branch of everything for the most part.
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• 3116[22:22:05] <ZeroBeholder> This particular thing is to generate dev machines for proof of concept projects.
• 3117[22:22:15] <awal1> I have seen people getting a broken system, or parts of the system, even under stable, after major updates...
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• 3122[22:23:56] <ZeroBeholder> I was just battling that-- with ca-certificates of all things. Super benign package, just brings the list of Mozilla annointed ca root certs up to date...
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• 3125[22:25:36] <c-c> ZeroBeholder: so you are generating a lot of "debian testing" machines for what+
• 3126[22:25:39] <c-c> +?
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• 3134[22:28:14] <Dreaman> how to use full hd on my monitor
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• 3136[22:28:22] <Dreaman> free radeon driver
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• 3138[22:28:35] <zykotick9> s/free/open/
• 3139[22:29:33] <ZeroBeholder> Easiest way for new stuff to get built is by itself on machines configured in a similar way to prod.
• 3140[22:29:44] <ZeroBeholder> *new stuff
• 3141[22:30:23] <ZeroBeholder> Hopefully the new code plays nice on a shared host.
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• 3144[22:30:54] <ZeroBeholder> Shared as multiple projects hosted, not Godaddy shared hosting...
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• 3150[22:32:59] <ZeroBeholder> Most of the ideas do not get implemented, so I don't want to spend much if any of my time if I don't have to.
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• 3188[22:54:40] <zuiss1> hi i didn't have any luck in ubuntu so i got a debian netinstall and am trying to install it on a dual boot system with windows, but i want the installer to encrypt the installation. in the installer options, the only encryption option uses the entire disk, so i need to do it manual
• 3189[22:54:47] <zuiss1> are there any instructions for doing this with the debian installer?
• 3190[22:55:08] <somiaj> zuiss1: are you using the expert mode of the installer?
• 3191[22:55:16] <zuiss1> no. should i be?
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• 3194[22:55:54] <somiaj> I don't know, I don't use encryption. But it provides a bit larger tool set to customize things, so it may contian the options to only encrpt certain partitions
• 3195[22:56:23] <somiaj> that is what I would try first, if you can't figure it out via the expert installer you may have to create the encrypted partitions manually and just tell the installer to use them.
• 3196[22:56:26] <zuiss1> ok
• 3197[22:56:51] <zuiss1> yea i was trying to figure out how to do it. there used to be a tutorial on that but i can't find it now
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• 3205[22:59:26] <petn-randall> zuiss1: "entire disk + LVM" means it will encrypt the complete Debian installation, but won't touch the Windows installation. In this case a bit of a misnomer.
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• 3209[23:00:01] <missmbob> /boot wont be encrypted either
• 3210[23:00:21] <petn-randall> yeah, /boot and /boot/efi will be excluded.
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• 3212[23:00:37] <zuiss1> petn-randall: really? the language used doesn't make it sound like that at all lol
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• 3215[23:01:19] <strgout> anyone know of a way to rebuild a package from source when ever its marked for an update? Long story short, i want to rebuild libpam without audit support but i don't want to loose the custom package everytime there is an update to libpam.
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• 3217[23:01:58] <greycat> Use a stable release and put libpam on hold.
• 3218[23:02:20] <somiaj> strgout: not the solution you are asking for, but why not just put the libpam package on hold? This way it won't just be upgraded, but you will be informed when there is an upgrade so you can go rebuild the package using pbuilder or sbuild
• 3219[23:02:47] <greycat> I can't imagine there are very many libpam updates in stable.
• 3220[23:02:48] <strgout> ok so onhold basically means don't upgrade, then i can do it when i see there is an upgrade?
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• 3222[23:03:00] <greycat> !hold
• 3223[23:03:00] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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• 3238[23:05:55] <fartface> Can anyone think of a reason why wildcards wouldn't be working properly in Bash? If I say `rm *.txt`, I'll get "Cannot remove *.txt: No file or directory", but there'll be plenty of text files in the folder
• 3239[23:06:20] <fartface> If I remove the files by their full name, everything works as expected
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• 3243[23:07:16] <n4dir> post an example of such a text file, or even the full ls -ahl
• 3244[23:07:28] <n4dir> the full via pastebinit or such.
• 3245[23:07:35] <fartface> One sec
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• 3248[23:07:54] <n4dir> in general: no, i can't think of a reason (which doesn't say much ... )
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• 3250[23:08:05] <strgout> pwd ; ls -l file ; `pwd ; ls -l file` maybe?
• 3251[23:08:22] <petn-randall> fartface: what strgout said would be good info to provide.
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• 3258[23:10:06] <fartface> replaced-url
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• 3262[23:11:18] <n4dir> the wildcard will expand to anything in the according directory matchint.
• 3263[23:11:27] <n4dir> a file like foobar.txt would match
• 3264[23:11:29] <fartface> strgout: replaced-url
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• 3266[23:11:40] <n4dir> a textfile or any other like mytextfile.md won't
• 3267[23:11:43] <petn-randall> fartface: * in bash doesn't match anything starting with a dot.
• 3268[23:11:49] <petn-randall> IIRC
• 3269[23:11:51] <fartface> OHHHHH
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• 3271[23:11:55] <fartface> That would explain it
• 3272[23:12:37] <somiaj> fartface: .*swp would work
• 3273[23:12:51] <n4dir> look here, or anywhere at that (very good ) wiki. wildcards are all over the place, iirc. replaced-url
• 3274[23:13:04] <fartface> somiaj: That worked perfectly, thanks!
• 3275[23:13:27] <fartface> There wasn't many files to remove, it was just something I'd never encountered before, I had assumed a wildcard was a wildcard.
• 3276[23:13:29] <fartface> Cheers guys!
• 3277[23:13:29] <strgout> i was about to ask if globing was disabled.
• 3278[23:13:30] <n4dir> petn-randall: only if it starts with a dot and the wildcard doesn't express that.
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• 3280[23:13:56] <somiaj> fartface: you don't want wildcards matching hidden files by default, you get unexpected suprises that way.
• 3281[23:14:06] <n4dir> sometxt.txt the wildcard *.txt would match
• 3282[23:14:12] <somiaj> fartface: also be very careful with .* (since it matches . and ..)
• 3283[23:14:16] <petn-randall> Or have it match ".."
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• 3285[23:14:34] <fartface> Yeah that makes sense--in this case I knew they were vim swap files and could be removed, but I 100% hear you
• 3286[23:14:35] <n4dir> better don't use it at all. imho
• 3287[23:14:41] <somiaj> fartface: and also give your actual example and not a contrived one when looking for help, since you weren't running rm *.txt
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• 3289[23:15:16] <fartface> Well, the difference between .somefile.txt and .somefile.swp is trivial though, no?
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• 3292[23:15:32] <somiaj> many would have realized that .swp was a hidden file though.
• 3293[23:15:38] <fartface> Ah fair enough
• 3294[23:15:40] <n4dir> but matching .. too isn't trivial, fartface
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• 3297[23:16:00] <fartface> n4dir: How would *.txt match ..
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• 3300[23:16:26] <n4dir> anything which ends with .txt , but doesn't start with a dot, for example .foobar.txt wouldn't match
• 3301[23:16:34] <somiaj> fartface: more you do not want 'rm *' to match ..
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• 3303[23:16:41] <n4dir> oh, fartface, sorry, misread
• 3304[23:16:56] <n4dir> i was still at the problem to not use .*
• 3305[23:17:04] <themill> (shopt -s dotglob)
• 3306[23:17:14] <fartface> Generally speaking if I'm doing a wildcard removal like that I'd do something like `./*.swp` just to ensure I'm only running in the current folder
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• 3308[23:17:29] <fartface> No worries, just wanted to make sure I wasn't preemptively shooting myself in the foot elsewhere haha
• 3309[23:17:58] <somiaj> fartface: if ever worried about matching, you can just echo .* for example.
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• 3311[23:18:06] <n4dir> i think adding the path is always a good idea. would need to search for the explanation why (something with files which start with a -)
• 3312[23:18:59] <teraflops> rm -- -file
• 3313[23:19:08] <n4dir> or that
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• 3315[23:20:57] <teraflops> so you can touch -i files as last resort for avoiding rm -rf * deleting stuff without even asking if you dont have an alias for rm
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• 3322[23:22:30] <n4dir> i didn't get that at all
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• 3325[23:24:19] <teraflops> rm will get the -i as an option instead of a file, so it will ask are you sure to delete…
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• 3355[23:33:00] <n4dir> and touch comes in the game how?
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• 3372[23:37:29] <n4dir> ah, "touch -- -i "
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