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6 [00:04:10] <terr_> I am looking for some hand holding on
building a new machine. I am looking to lift windows and create an
ISO. This is a virgin install. Partitions are huge. I don't
even know what version of windows is on it.. but I can find out.
Currently I have it booted in Debian from a USB thumb drive. Slower
than blazes to boot but runs fine. Can I shrink the partitions using
linux and then use dd to copy to another thumb drive? I have about 5
machines to do this
7 [00:04:10] <terr_> for. two (2) 64 bit towers and a 32 bit
laptop. My idea is to shrink the partitions and then copy each of
these partitions to a .iso file and then copy them to a usb. Thing
is they are going to be small enough that likely I can just ccopy
the .iso files to another machine. Is this a good idea? My idea is
that once I have these images if I evern need them well they are
there.
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34 [00:23:54] <tomreyn> terr_: i just read this twice, but am
having some trouble understanding what your goal is in copying stuff
around. i'm not a native speaker and there seems to be a bit of
informal speak involved, though.
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37 [00:25:33] <tomreyn> to shrink windows partitions, i'd
use windows (it can do it on a live system, at least for some, and
support for its proprietary file systems is not complete in linux)
38 [00:26:06] <tomreyn> "live system" as in
"running windows system"
39 [00:26:47] <terr_> tomreyn, yes. I knew what you meant and I
was thinking this as well.
40 [00:26:49] <tomreyn> but i dont get the other part about
moving / converting something to iso and usb.
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44 [00:28:29] * rant is a native speaker and doesn't understand a
word of it :P
45 [00:28:32] <terr_> tomreyn, my objective is to just make
copies to load if I need them. I want windows 7 and 10 and linux as
multiboot on each machine. I expect to run only linux but I might
need windows. I switched to linux about 1998. Now I find I may need
windows for some mission critical applicaitons
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52 [00:29:40] <rant> technically thats illegal and won't
really work unless you shut windows down with special option to let
it know it'll be on different hardware on its next boot
53 [00:29:47] <terr_> oh. shrink partitions and store them on a
USB external thumb drive so they can be recoved later if necessary
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55 [00:30:02] <rant> you're not allowed to duplicate
windows installs and use them on other machines
56 [00:30:08] <rant> its part of the EULA
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58 [00:30:35] <terr_> rant - so you are saying if my hard drive
dies I can't use the os I paid for again? Good reason to not
use M$
59 [00:30:54] <terr_> what if the lap top dies and the hard
drive is fine?
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61 [00:31:13] <terr_> what if I remove the hard drive and make
it external?
62 [00:31:15] <ironic_aneurysm> terr_: That's not
what's being said. They're saying installing the same
"copy" on multiple machines is a violation.
63 [00:31:20] <rant> there are lots of good reasons not to use
windows.. but using one copy per machine is the EULA.. you lisc that
software to that specific machine
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65 [00:32:01] <terr_> I have a copy of BOTH 7 and 10 on each
machine. both 32 bit and 64 bit and all are legal
66 [00:32:17] <terr_> plus whta is on the respective hard
drives.
67 [00:32:20] <tomreyn> how did we end up having a windows
licensing discussion in #debian (when even ##windows wont allow
those?)
68 [00:32:25] <rant> it does allow technically speaking anyhow,
idk about lisc per-se.. for you to shut it down in a way that it
expects to be on new hardware on the next boot.. then it won't
BSOD and die or lockup or something
69 [00:32:30] <terr_> LOL
70 [00:33:09] <fassl> are you allowed to do that with volume
license keys?
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72 [00:33:22] <rant> and its a grey area.. technically if each
machine has a COA its legit to have the OS on each one, but not the
same copy with the same serial.. each install needs its own serial
from its own COA
73 [00:33:23] <ironic_aneurysm> tomreyn: Good question. terr_ -
I did a quick google and there's various ways to shrink your
windows partition
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76 [00:33:44] <r3> partition magic used to be the way to go
about it, but I am not sure it works with Win10.
77 [00:33:52] <terr_> rant. This is what I should do. I moved
off windows in 1998. M$ screwed me with 3 licensed copys of NT back
then. None were ever opened. I was a dealer back then.
78 [00:34:17] <terr_> r3 have it. Have not used it since about
1998
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80 [00:34:27] <r3> just a thought, why not run linux in a VM
(using Oracle Virtual Box) on Windows 10? I do that all the time for
testing and other uses
81 [00:34:30] <tomreyn> how about you run VMs?
82 [00:34:44] <ironic_aneurysm> terr_: There's a few docs
on it that come up pretty easily with some light searching. The last
time *I* did it, I used my copy of windows to shrink the OS
partition, create an unformatted/free space on the disk, and then
boot to hte installer.
83 [00:34:57] <tomreyn> or just the other way around. linux on
bare metal, windows in VMs
84 [00:35:11] <fassl> you maybe not even need a vm, with ubuntu
subsystem on windows
85 [00:35:13] <rant> terr_: yeah well I know how you feel I used
to be a MS System Builder back in the day.. I haven't supported
or used windows in probably 15 years.. I use Codeweavers Crossover
to run any windows stuff personally. I don't even run it in a
VM anymore
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88 [00:35:50] <terr_> r3. Because I don't wnat windows 10
in the first place. It reverts security settings and does
unauthorised updates. and will use my bandwidth to update its
victums. And this is technically (and literally) illegal as well.
89 [00:36:07] <r3> and I've got debian here on Windows 10
as an app from The Debian Project
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91 [00:36:28] <rant> I have tons of machines here with
COA/Serials for various versions of windows.. and they all run
Debian only :P
92 [00:36:31] <r3> *shrug* I'm not going to get into a
windows discussion here.
93 [00:36:55] <terr_> rant. That is a good idea.
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96 [00:38:02] <rant> terr_: crossover is nice.. every program
can be self-contained in its own bottle with its own registry,
easily archived and moved from one machine to the next.. they even
have paid support
97 [00:38:07] <terr_> rant LOL. My buddy gives me his cast off
computers. But then he runs 3000 cores. All on windows. I cant even
fathom using that many machines.
98 [00:38:34] <terr_> rant. I was going to use VMWARE.
99 [00:38:46] <terr_> linux on bare metal.
100 [00:39:10] <terr_> I've forgotten about crossover.
101 [00:39:20] <ironic_aneurysm> I'm not an op, but...
I'm not seeing that this has a lot to do with debian at this
point.
102 [00:39:44] <rant> terr_: I haven't used that in ages
either.. I tried vmware player once several years back.. it was
nice.. its their free software that just runs VMs.. last I'd
used VMWare workstation though it was very nice.. its just also very
expensive. I used VirtualBox for VM its very user friendly and
featureful
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110 [00:41:01] <terr_> it does. If I can get the .iso for the
current machine I can reformat the drives and then install Debian on
the HDD rather than the USB I'm using now. I may never and
hopefully never will use windows. However the issue is that I have
friends who want help and if I can't run a copy when needed I
ahve no idea what they face.
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113 [00:41:31] <terr_> LOL
114 [00:42:12] <rant> terr_: yes back in the day I used to
install debian then reinstall windows using my key for that machine
into a VM for that reason.. to be able to use Windows as a reference
for support..then I just quit supporting it and had no need for it
anymore :P
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118 [00:42:27] <rant> my attitude now is, friends don't let
friends not use Debian
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120 [00:42:59] <terr_> I am concerned that if I use windows 7
which is likely then next year if a machine breaks then I'll be
told I ahve t go to 10. I likely will need photoshop or illustrator.
I'm going t be doing CNC and I'll use FreeCad for that.
121 [00:43:16] <burd> When I just updated my postfix package, it
ran newaliases which then deletes my aliases.db file and breaks the
postfix installation. Anyone know of this issue?
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123 [00:43:25] <rant> I had to stiff arm my father into it, but
I've had him on Debian for several years now, and other than
having to install MS Ofiice 2003 in Crossover, he's happy.. he
insisted on that.. didn't like libreoffice :P
124 [00:43:37] <terr_> rant. I was told this is not possible. I
have not gottent hat far
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128 [00:44:33] <Skinhaptik> hey guys I just uninstalled
wicd-curses and installed network-manager-gnome. Now nm-applet
isn't picking up anything, what do I do?
129 [00:44:46] <rant> terr_: idk I looked a few months ago and a
lot of Adobe products had gold ratings on codeweavers compatibility
matrix.. you can look that stuff up on their site..
130 [00:45:14] <rant> terr_:
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133 [00:46:02] <rant> terr_: not listed is better than listed and
known to not work usually.. but I found cases personally that it
said it didnt work and I used it without issues
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135 [00:46:04] <terr_> burd. No but I run postfix on my web
server - which is down right now - and I woiuld just reinstall these
files.
136 [00:46:46] <rant> Skinhaptik: remove all wicd packages would
be my recommendation, you can't use both and while wicd is a
nice idea, and I like their curses thing, overall their codebase is
shit
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138 [00:47:19] <terr_> Is this documented some where?
139 [00:47:29] <burd> Terr_: It's crazy, I can recreate
them, but then I have a stuck package so I apt-get -f install and it
breaks it again
140 [00:47:43] <Skinhaptik> rant: yeah wicd is nice but yeah ran
into an issue with it and I noped out
141 [00:47:58] <Skinhaptik> rant: Yeah I removed + autoremoved
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143 [00:48:14] <burd> Terr_:and sometimes I the installer leaves
an aliases.db.db file
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145 [00:48:36] <terr_> burd. This is why I like to snapshot
before I do anything. With minimum HDD at 1TB this is reasonable.
146 [00:49:21] <rant> ,i freecad
147 [00:49:22] <judd> Package freecad (science, extra) in
stretch/amd64: Extensible Open Source CAx program (alpha). Version:
0.16+dfsg2-3; Size: 19876.8k; Installed: 98949k; Homepage:
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148 [00:49:25] <burd> terr_:I can fix it but this breaks my
security updates for Postfix until they get it fixed, if ever.. I
was hoping soembody would be like.. Yah this and that changed do his
and that
149 [00:49:29] <rant> terr_: ^ its already in debian
150 [00:49:39] <terr_> burd... the upgrade logistcs have never
worked properly.
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152 [00:50:36] <burd> terr_ 19 years of running debian, the
upgrades have worked awesome for years
153 [00:50:59] <terr_> rant. Talking to some ppl. lost your
coment what is alreadt in Debian
154 [00:51:19] <rant> terr_: freecad, its already in the debian
repos
155 [00:51:22] <terr_> burd but postfix is broken now.
156 [00:51:49] <fling> What package for different unicode fonts
to show all the symbols on the web in iceweasel?
157 [00:51:56] <burd> Is this still debian official help channel
or has it moved?
158 [00:52:06] <rant> and most likely not only will
photoshop/illustrator if not the latest, a fairly recent version
will run in crossover, but gimp supports photoshop plugins and
formats
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160 [00:52:07] <terr_> Should be able to migrate out a copy.
install and patch back in if required. Something like pulling trhe
write enable ring on a tape.
161 [00:52:45] <terr_> Gimp didn't before
162 [00:52:49] <rant> its by no means as advanced as adobe
photoshop, but it will run photoshop plugins and read/write their
formats
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164 [00:53:54] <terr_> my image editing needs are minimal. I need
CNC router tool paths now... IE Gcode
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172 [00:55:08] <terr_> rant... can you give me a link so I can
read up on advanced install strategies?
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178 [00:56:39] <tharkun> ,versions postgresql
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180 [00:56:41] <judd> Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy:
9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-security: 9.1+134wheezy6; jessie:
9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 9.6+181+deb9u1~bpo8+1;
stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u1; stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u2; sid:
11+198; buster: 11+199
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182 [00:57:30] <rant> terr_: idk what you mean by that..
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188 [00:57:58] <terr_> rant... just would like to read install
instructions.
189 [00:58:20] <rant> terr_: for debian?
190 [00:58:25] <terr_> I hate being treated like a muchroom. I
prefer to grow them
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192 [00:58:39] <rant> dpkg, what is ig?
193 [00:58:39] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 9
"Stretch" can be found at
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194 [00:58:45] <terr_> yes. Latest stable.
195 [00:58:59] <terr_> rant. thanks.
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234 [01:36:04] <fling> Which package to install to solve
'libGL error: failed to load driver: i915'?
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242 [01:44:26] <kb3ien> 4.9.0-8-amd64 problem with GRE tunnels
here, there was a time when I could easily do everything with
ifconifg; but alas it's time to up my game, and get into the
`ip tunnel` mindeset.
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258 [01:54:22] <fling> how to install recent mesa on stretch?
259 [01:54:23] <fling> Do I need backports?
260 [01:55:15] <rwp> Yes. For more recent things like that
backports is the recommendation.
261 [01:56:00] <rwp> Buster Testing is also getting quite close
to release now too. Pretty soon it will make sense to start
recommending Buster for mostly-Stable users.
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264 [01:56:27] <rwp> !backports
265 [01:56:27] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
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276 [02:02:01] <fling> rwp: how soon?
277 [02:02:15] <fling> rwp: can I just switch my current sid
installs to buster then?
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279 [02:02:32] <themill> do you mean stretch not sid?
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282 [02:02:43] <fling> themill: sit to buster
283 [02:03:07] <themill> you cannot reliably downgrade from sid
to buster.
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285 [02:03:33] <themill> dpkg, unstable->testing
286 [02:03:33] <dpkg> Since packages generally migrate from
unstable to testing fairly regularly, downgrading from unstable to
testing is sometimes possible (see <partial downgrade>).
Alternatively change "unstable" to "testing" in
your sources.list and wait for packages migrate; installing new
packages during this time might be problematic, however. Ask me
about <reinstall>.
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288 [02:04:11] <fling> themill: thanks!
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292 [02:07:24] <fling> when will buster go stable?
293 [02:07:45] <rwp> fling, Soon. Month or so. If you are using
the Sid Unstable suite then #debian-next on OFTC is the better
topical channel.
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295 [02:08:32] <fling> mesa is too old in stretch but works fine
in sid, I should try buster
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300 [02:09:51] <fling> rwp: can I try `deb
replaced-url
301 [02:09:58] <fling> I will make a snapshot
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303 [02:11:14] <rwp> That would be a reasonable sources.list
entry for Buster.
304 [02:11:27] <kb3ien> My present (failed attempt) looks like
this ip tunnel add foo-gre mode gre remote 209.36.12.34 local
44.33.22.11 ttl 255 ; ip -6 address add 2001:9999:a068::c000 dev
foo-gre ; ip link set mtu 1460 dev foo-gre ; ip -6 route add ::1 via
2001:9999:a068::c001 dev foo-gre table foo ; ip -6 rule add from
2001:9999:a068:c000::/50 table foo
305 [02:11:59] <kb3ien> But the problem is that it create an
extra unwanted interface called gre0 - which has NO endpoints.
306 [02:12:01] <fling> rwp: do I also need 'deb
replaced-url
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309 [02:16:12] <rwp> Yes. And also you will also want security
updates from security.debian.org too.
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313 [02:16:33] <de-facto> whats the difference from
replaced-url
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316 [02:17:13] <rwp> AFAICT there is no difference between those.
317 [02:17:14] <fling> rwp: so I put three lines there then.
318 [02:17:19] <rwp> Yes.
319 [02:17:25] <fling> umm
320 [02:17:34] <fling> between what exactly?
321 [02:18:30] <rwp> Originally httpredir has gone through a few
name changes. it was a debian.net resource. But as it has become
more official, its on debian.org now, it has changed names. I think,
not sure, that is why it is basically the same as deb.debian.org,
because deb.debian.org is desired to be a simple name replacement
for it.
322 [02:19:08] <de-facto> i just use deb.debian.org for all the
entries (normal ones as well as security)
323 [02:19:15] <rwp> But people have been using the old name and
they want to preserve compatibility.
324 [02:19:27] <fling> de-facto: show me your sources.list
325 [02:19:48] <fling> I'm trying this
replaced-url
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327 [02:20:05] <rwp> I believe security.debian.org still must be
separate and is not on deb.debian.org due to naming collision. If
that isn't true then I will learn something new today.
328 [02:20:53] <fling> What is /etc/issue for buster?
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330 [02:21:25] <rwp> fling, Looks acceptable to me. If you want
sources available then you need deb-src lines too.
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332 [02:21:54] <fling> I'm not building anything on debian
yet. I'm only running it in contaners on gentoo hosts where I
build everything :P
333 [02:22:07] <fling> debian is for running precompiled
things…
334 [02:22:22] <rwp> fling, Since Buster is not released yet it
still says buster/sid but that will change to the number before it
is released.
335 [02:22:54] <fling> Looks like I switched one container from
sid to buster successfully :P
336 [02:23:22] <fling> Downgrades are not always possible as many
people told me but it worked for me once just now.
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338 [02:23:51] <fling> What if I have an issue with some app? I
have a plan here.
339 [02:24:08] <fling> I will just uninstall it with all the deps
and purge.
340 [02:24:11] <fling> Then just reinstall.
341 [02:24:14] <fling> Does this sound right?
342 [02:24:33] <rwp> Yes. That is what I would do.
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344 [02:25:03] <rwp> Install apt-show-versions. Run it. | grep -e
uptodate and see what is left. It might say "newer than in
archive" or something like that for the few packages that are
ahead.
345 [02:26:02] <rwp> I meant pipe it to | grep -v -e uptodate,
the inverted pattern. Because most things will be uptodate status.
But you are interested in the things that are not those.
346 [02:26:02] <kb3ien>
replaced-url
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348 [02:27:41] <kb3ien> The problem is that the interface
assigned the IP address is not the one TCPDUMP seems the tunnel
arriving on; so the kernel ignores them.
349 [02:27:58] <kb3ien> The second problem is that no packets
leave on the tunnel.
350 [02:28:11] <fling> rwp: the list
replaced-url
351 [02:28:42] <fling> Is there a good list of `apt-mark manual`
for a new minimal install?
352 [02:29:22] <fling> I know the things I use. But I want the
proper and working 'base' list.
353 [02:29:46] <themill> rwp deb.debian.org/debian-security is a
thing ;)
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355 [02:29:55] <fling> It would be nice for it to also be minimal
and not to require a lot of extra deps. But this requirement is
optional :>
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357 [02:30:50] <rwp> themill, I just tried it and see that it
mostly works. Missing a non-free section though. :-(
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359 [02:31:15] <themill> rwp: what is missing what?
360 [02:31:20] <rwp> FTW stretch/updates is security and
stretch-updates is volatile.
361 [02:32:22] <rwp> For example: Err:6
replaced-url
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363 [02:32:58] <themill> Should work just fine
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367 [02:33:34] <themill> There is also a subtle difference
between httpredir.do and deb.d.o; httpredir does 301 redirects and
deb.d.o does SRV records
368 [02:33:35] <de-facto> rwp fling for stretch (havent tested
buster yet) it seems to work just fine with deb.debian.org i think:
replaced-url
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370 [02:34:09] <themill> rwp: what sources.list line do you have
there?
371 [02:34:13] <rwp> Perhaps that is it. Perhaps it is up to date
for Buster but not for Stretch.
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373 [02:34:33] <rwp> I was trying this: deb
replaced-url
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375 [02:34:50] <themill> rwp: needs to be
replaced-url
376 [02:35:23] <rwp> Also it is always 151.101.68.204 80 that is
giving me errors. Not the other IP addresses. So perhaps it is only
that one mirror too.
377 [02:37:15] <rwp> Changing that to stretch-security: Err:6
replaced-url
378 [02:37:25] <rwp> Still that one mirror and not the others.
379 [02:37:38] <themill> rwp: I don't know what you're
putting in the sources.list, but it's not right
380 [02:37:59] <rwp> If it really needs to change stretch/updates
to stretch-security then that is a snag that will catch a lot of
people I am sure.
381 [02:38:06] <themill> no.
382 [02:38:26] <themill> !stretch sources.list
383 [02:38:26] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
384 [02:38:30] <fling> de-facto: I'm converting everything
to buster here
385 [02:38:36] <rwp> themill, I showed you: deb
replaced-url
386 [02:38:41] <rwp> That is the literal line.
387 [02:38:53] <themill> And that's not right in two places
;(
388 [02:39:27] <rwp> I am waiting to be educated. :-)
389 [02:39:32] <themill> what dpkg said
390 [02:39:40] <fling> !buster sources.list
391 [02:39:40] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" has only just
been released which means that it's a bad time for people who
don't know a lot about Debian to be trying to use the
'testing' release (aka buster). If you have to ask this
question, you shouldn't!
392 [02:39:58] <fling> wut?
393 [02:40:07] <rwp> I think that factoid needs to be updated
now.
394 [02:40:28] <rwp> themill, Okay. I see that the security line
needs *two* changes. That will snag even more people. Trying that...
395 [02:41:58] <dvs> rwp, but that's what themill said, two
places.
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398 [02:42:27] <themill> rwp: no, it needs one change from the
normal security.d.o line and that is only to change the mirror base
location
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400 [02:45:04] <rwp> !stretch sources.list
401 [02:45:05] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
402 [02:45:13] <rwp> See the line: deb
replaced-url
403 [02:45:22] <rwp> So far that is the only completely correct
line.
404 [02:46:22] <rwp> Let's check what is in the factoid for
buster.
405 [02:46:29] <rwp> !buster sources.list
406 [02:46:29] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" has only just
been released which means that it's a bad time for people who
don't know a lot about Debian to be trying to use the
'testing' release (aka buster). If you have to ask this
question, you shouldn't!
407 [02:46:36] * themill is fixing that one
408 [02:47:12] <rwp> And I just ran out of keyboard time. Must
close laptop and run. Thanks for the good discussions. I will read
the scrollback when I get back online later.
409 [02:47:45] <themill> rwp: deb
replaced-url
410 [02:48:20] <themill> (and will often be identical to
security.d.o because security.c.o melts whenever there is a kernel
upgrade)
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416 [02:52:17] <fling> themill: tell me about a fine `apt-mark
showmanual` list for buster minimal install :P
417 [02:53:00] <themill> !wayttd fling
418 [02:53:00] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do, fling?
419 [02:53:03] <de-facto> rwp fling also for buster it seems to
work just fine:
replaced-url
420 [02:53:25] <de-facto> although there are no backports yet...
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424 [02:54:03] <fling> themill: trying to unify all my debian
installs, want to make them similar to each other.
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426 [02:54:31] <fling> de-facto: do I need deb instead on
httpredir?
427 [02:54:39] <fling> I'm using apt-cacher-ng btw
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430 [02:54:45] <de-facto> i dont know that was my question before
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432 [02:54:59] <de-facto> i quickly tested above output with a
Dockerfile like this:
replaced-url
433 [02:55:32] <de-facto> fling, ooh then it might be that it
still has old cache entries, i would purge its cache all together
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435 [02:56:37] <zeta-> anyone know why my Tasks are all a bit
messed up? Is it just me?
436 [02:57:26] <fling> zeta-: in taskwarrior?
437 [02:57:40] <fling> Try spending more time managing them.
438 [02:57:47] <fling> Start with deleting stale tasks every day
439 [02:58:02] <fling> de-facto: thanks.
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441 [02:58:21] <Marz> do you think it will be easy to install
ubuntu themes to debian?
442 [02:58:22] <zeta-> err no. in aptitude
443 [02:58:47] <fling> themill: the problem is the `apt-mark
showmanual` list is different on each host.
444 [02:58:51] <fling> this is what I don't like
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446 [02:59:02] <Marz> looks like debian just uses the default
theme from gnome that is ugly
447 [02:59:05] <fling> Some of them are upgraded from wheezy,
some sid etc
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449 [03:02:10] <zeta-> eg. Tasks --> debichem has 12 entries
that start "ebiChem " ...
450 [03:02:47] <de-facto> i actually prefer the default gnome
theme over the ubuntu mods, hence if i install a ubuntu i switch
them back to the default gnome ones, but i guess one cant argue
about taste ...
451 [03:04:27] <Marz> oh. ubuntu 18.10 looks nice. yaru theme is
nice
452 [03:05:07] <Marz> i am wondering if i can get the same thing
on debian
453 [03:05:23] <de-facto> why not? its just gnome themes, right?
454 [03:05:28] <Marz> the fonts too.
455 [03:05:36] <de-facto> there are tons on gnome-look.org
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457 [03:05:46] <Marz> nah not those community themes
458 [03:05:52] <Marz> not a fan of those. they break
459 [03:06:04] <Marz> most don't look too good
460 [03:06:22] <de-facto> and fonts are all open source, just
find out how they are called and you should be able to install them
on debian too i guess
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498 [03:24:50] <leptone> I'm trying to install libpng-dev in
my container with: RUN apt-get upgrade && apt-get -y install
libpng-dev
499 [03:25:05] <leptone> I'm getting the error: E: Unable to
locate package libpng-dev
500 [03:25:14] <leptone> The command '/bin/sh -c apt-get
upgrade && apt-get -y install libpng-dev' returned a
non-zero code: 100
501 [03:25:45] <leptone> Do I need to add it with
add-apt-repository or something like that?
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510 [03:34:38] <dvs> leptone, did you do a apt-get update first?
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512 [03:35:34] <de-facto> leptone, maybe you can try it like
this?
replaced-url
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542 [04:05:18] <de-facto> Out of curiosity, can i use scripts
inside /etc/apt/sources.list?
543 [04:05:31] <de-facto> e.g. something like "deb
replaced-url
544 [04:05:42] <de-facto> that does not work btw...
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546 [04:07:33] <de-facto> are there some predefined ${VARIABLES}
inside sources.list?
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548 [04:08:23] <de-facto> e.g. some like $(ARCH) ?
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561 [04:24:56] <agio> !dpkg test
562 [04:24:56] <dpkg> Test failed.
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580 [04:44:44] <fling> debconf: delaying package configuration,
since apt-utils is not installed
581 [04:44:48] <fling> do I need apt-utils? ^
582 [04:45:07] <de-facto> thats a good question, i have the same
red line
583 [04:45:19] <fling> it does not appear red for me
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586 [04:46:02] <de-facto> i guess installing apt-utils prior to
the packages (in a separate apt-get) only shows that error for the
installation of apt-utils itself
587 [04:46:24] <fling> I still can't get dark themes to work
in qt
588 [04:46:29] <fling> How to drop bright themes?
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671 [06:26:10] <z8z> What's the difference between that
"Restart and upgrade" from the GUI and the normal
"dist-upgrade" from terminal?
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703 [07:01:13] <jmcnaught> z8z: one uses a systemd feature to
restart into a minimal environment to apply the upgrades and then
restart to a normal boot, the other just upgrades without any
restarts
704 [07:01:18] <jmcnaught>
replaced-url
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759 [07:48:18] <FunkyBob> does anyone know how I can feed my
music player to my mic input for playing music over my game?
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761 [07:48:43] <FunkyBob> [music app is Audacious, system is
using pulse]
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776 [08:01:12] <e-dt> hey, my broadcom 4360 chip isn't
working. i've installed wl and it now shows up in iwconfig but
not in ifconfig, does anyone know why this is happening?
777 [08:01:39] <Haohmaru> wasn't ifconfig retired?
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779 [08:02:10] <e-dt> idk
780 [08:02:42] <Haohmaru> afaik it's replaced with a bunch
of different things like "ip" "link" and some
such
781 [08:03:37] <e-dt> it still ought to work, but i may try
`ip'
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786 [08:04:52] <rwp> e-dt, To list devices: ip addr show
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788 [08:05:09] <e-dt> thank you
789 [08:05:21] <e-dt> i'll do that
790 [08:06:23] <rwp> Also useful is listing the pci bus for the
device IDs. lspci
791 [08:07:21] <Haohmaru> does that show stuff on ISA slots?
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793 [08:08:23] <rwp> Is this an ISA machine? And it is still
running? Wow! :-)
794 [08:08:34] <rwp> e-dt, a reference you might find useful:
replaced-url
795 [08:09:23] <Haohmaru> i'm pretty sure i got ISA slots on
one of the machines at home
796 [08:09:37] <Haohmaru> not sure which one tho
797 [08:09:50] <rwp> And this looks interesting too:
replaced-url
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800 [08:11:26] <rwp> Looks like the Broadcom 4360 is one of the
many non-free devices that is truly a pain to make work. Sorry to
hear that. Broadcom is one of the bad offenders in that area.
801 [08:12:02] <Hooloovo0> yeah, 4300 is a huge pain
802 [08:12:52] * Hooloovo0 has a computer with 8 isa slots...
803 [08:12:56] <Hooloovo0> none of them are used
804 [08:13:36] <e-dt> hmm
805 [08:13:50] <e-dt> i might need to install linux-headers
806 [08:13:56] <Haohmaru> i know my ethernet card was on ISA
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810 [08:15:22] <Hooloovo0> don't have any isa ethernet
cards... I think my oldest ethernet card is for qbus
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812 [08:15:57] <Haohmaru> so i guess that must've been on my
AMD Duron machine
813 [08:16:24] <Haohmaru> my "newer" ones have
ethernetz on the mainboards
814 [08:17:28] <e-dt> right ill give this a go
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818 [08:18:27] <perseiver> Hello, I have a requirement for
iptables configuration in Debian 9 Stretch. Actually I need to add
DSCP value. (its DiffServ Code Point in IP header (6bit code)). I am
getting RTP audio and RTP video packet from Softphone as I am
testing SIP VOIP call. I need to mark audio packet with QCI value
and video packet with another QCI value. I am using this command.
iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 16384:32768 -j
DSCP --set-dscp-class ef
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820 [08:19:03] <perseiver> As you can see in above command that a
port range is defined and marking this range with DSCP marker on IP
header
821 [08:20:06] <perseiver> I am getting stuck to find out which
packet send is Audio and which one is Video. and accordingly apply
different DSCP class separately.
822 [08:20:41] <perseiver> As I need to configure on Debian, so I
am asking here. Do anyone have idea?
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830 [08:23:08] <e-dt> ok well
831 [08:23:14] <e-dt> *something* workde
832 [08:23:17] <e-dt> *worked
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834 [08:23:21] <e-dt> i dont know what it is
835 [08:23:29] <e-dt> but i am typing this from debian right now
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908 [09:09:21] <darxmurf> how would you test if a smb share is
available before to mount it in a script ?
909 [09:10:55] <darxmurf> nmap ?
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915 [09:14:04] <Fox> darxmurf: wouldn't using smbclient be
more relevant ?
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929 [09:20:05] <darxmurf> like smbclient -L ?
930 [09:20:18] <Fox> for example
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1325 [11:48:02] <nvz> anyone know of software for sorting out
data? My father probably has about 2TB of data mostly word docs,
spreadsheets, images, and videos, strewn across half a dozen drives,
I'd like to copy it all to a new drive, sort and remove
duplicates and such. I was just looking for advice before I script
something
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1327 [11:51:39] <blackflow> rant: sort how, by filename?
c'mon you're not a noob, you should know how to ask
better. :)
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1329 [11:52:23] <rant> I mean organize it in some meaningful way..
like sorting out into the default freedesktop Documents, Videos,
Images kinda deal
1330 [11:52:39] <toruvinn> that's tough. for documents i
think you need to do hash checking. for images you could do that
too, but there's better stuff out there. i know geeqie can find
duplicates quite nicely - by content.
1331 [11:52:42] <rant> his drives are a mess and data is strewn
everywhere and he probably has a ton of duplicates
1332 [11:53:20] <rant> yeah I use geeqie but I'm looking to
automate this not manually look over results, and mostly only
concerned with actual checksum duplicates
1333 [11:54:45] <toruvinn> there's always the "if
it's a duplicate, which one you keep?" problem. not really
if we're going by hashes, i guess, but for by-content
duplicates i'd be worried with things automatically picking
stuff for me.
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1336 [11:55:57] <toruvinn> for hash, what stops you froim find
/path/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sha1sum > /tmp/sha1sums and
then sorting it and just removing all ocurrences except the first
for each hash. maybe include filesize too if you're worried
about hash collisions.
1337 [11:56:03] <toruvinn> s/froim/from/
1338 [11:56:18] <booyah> how do you stop service foo from
auto-starting at bootup
1339 [11:56:21] <rant> yeah I wasnt going to fret over any of that
if I scripted something I was just going to have it try pull all
similar data types into a location.. preferably retaining any
existing organizational scheme like the parent folder name, then
hash everything and go back and remove all duplicates
1340 [11:56:27] <pagios> question, if i have an nfs mount on my
server, and i am writing directly to this network location, am i
using the disk io of my server? or directly writing to the network?
1341 [11:56:32] <toruvinn> booyah, systemctl disable foo or
something
1342 [11:56:36] <rant> booyah: you could systemctl disable the
service
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1345 [11:57:22] <booyah> thx
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1347 [11:59:07] <rant> pagios: you are writing to the target
machine, but could still have I/O waits on the network but wouldnt
be the same as disk I/O wait per-se. Depends on what your really
concerned about I suppose
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1349 [11:59:35] <pagios> i am concerned to know if there is a tmp
disk io on local machine
1350 [12:00:06] <rant> pagios: as in if its caching in memory?
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1352 [12:00:09] <blackflow> booyah: note that "disabled"
services can still run if triggered by other means. you can
"mask" to completely forbid the service from starting.
1353 [12:00:23] <pagios> yes
1354 [12:00:30] <pagios> disk
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1356 [12:01:01] <ayekat> but if it's triggered by something
else, it may be worth investigating what triggers it before flat-out
masking it
1357 [12:01:12] <rant> pagios: by default, no local caching would
be done as I understand it.. but its possible to do it
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1361 [12:02:45] <rant> pagios: possibly of interest
replaced-url
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1365 [12:03:19] <blackflow> booyah: ayekat's advice is sound
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1369 [12:04:09] <petn-randall> rant: I have used fdupes in the
past to remove identical copies of files. You can then in the next
step copy files around by what `file` knows about it, I guess.
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1372 [12:04:17] <rant> pagios: "NFS Version 3 introduces the
concept of Weak Cache Consistency. Weak Cache Consistency helps NFS
Version 3 clients more quickly detect changes to files that are
modified by other clients. This is done by returning extra attribute
information in a server's reply to a read or write operation. A
client can use this information to decide whether its data and
attribute caches are stale."
1373 [12:04:23] <rant>
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1375 [12:06:23] <rant> pagios: nfs caching options are most
significant if you have multiple machines/users accessing the same
data simultaneously
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1380 [12:08:36] <rant> petn-randall: yeah I looked into fdupes
before but problem with tools like that is, it expects two file
paths to consider.. I have hundreds of file paths across multiple
drives.. looks like scripting something may be the way to go.. that
way I can retain some existing organizational structure, sort data
by types, and remove duplicates
1381 [12:09:11] <petn-randall> rant: It does have the -r option
...
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1387 [12:15:05] <rant> petn-randall: idk I guess that'd work
if you supplied the rootdir as the source .. I think it may just be
easier to script something.. I got a couple large disks coming, I
should be able to copy all his drives to one disk then work on the
copy, organize it.. then format all his drives and work out some
kinda better scheme. I'd like to try retain as much existing
organizational data such as any existing
1388 [12:15:11] <rant> directory structure, timestamps, etc, as
possible
1389 [12:15:43] <booyah> for Jessie, which apt versions are
vulnerable and which are not?
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1391 [12:16:28] <petn-randall> booyah: You can look up the CVE on
the tracker of doom:
1392 [12:16:31] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
1393 [12:16:31] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability
database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at
replaced-url
1394 [12:17:10] <rant> booyah:
replaced-url
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1398 [12:18:28] <booyah> on Jessie, can't upgrade the apot
1399 [12:18:31] <booyah> *the apt
1400 [12:18:51] <booyah> apt upgrade apt -o Acquire... gives
following pack.. unmet depend..
1401 [12:19:01] <petn-randall> !bat
1402 [12:19:01] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1403 [12:19:01] <booyah> apt: depends libapt-pkg5.0 but is not
going to be installed
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1405 [12:19:21] <petn-randall> booyah: Can you provide all of the
above info in a single paste? It seems as you have other issues. ^^^
1406 [12:19:34] <petn-randall> *though
1407 [12:20:39] <booyah> ye
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1409 [12:22:14] <rant> booyah: (apt -s upgrade apt; apt policy;
apt policy apt libapt-pkg5.0) | nc termbin.com 9999
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1427 [12:28:29] <booyah> petn-randall:
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1432 [12:30:24] <booyah> and running just upgrade will install
some upgrades, but apt apt-utils curl libc-bin and others "have
been kept back"
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1444 [12:39:28] <booyah> anyone?
1445 [12:39:55] <booyah> I have identical problem on another
Jessie box too.
1446 [12:40:45] <blackflow> booyah: you have a confusing policy
there, looks like security updates are for Stretch (stable), and not
for Jessie
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1449 [12:43:12] <booyah> oh right. copy-pasted the cnd-fastly link
from Stretch box. that's the problem
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1451 [12:43:59] <booyah> hm by running upgrade (as much as
possible) using that link, didnt I accidentially ended up now with
mixed jessie-stretch distro? how to confirm
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1453 [12:44:22] <booyah> myabe some security upgrades were just
now installed from stretch while rest of system is on jessie
1454 [12:44:41] <blackflow> booyah: you may have ended up with a
frankenjessie, yes
1455 [12:44:46] <booyah> thanks apt
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1457 [12:44:56] <booyah> how about a word of warning ;?)
1458 [12:44:58] <blackflow> apt: thanks, human.
1459 [12:45:07] <booyah> blackflow: thanks developers for not
coding in a warning for that
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1461 [12:45:43] <blackflow> booyah: warning for what exactly? :)
how is apt supposed to know that's not what you want? thenames
"jessie, stretch, stable" are just arbitrary names in the
repo source list.
1462 [12:45:49] <booyah> if (that_package_distro != your_distro)
warn("are you sure you want franken-distro?")
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1464 [12:46:01] <blackflow> it the metadata in those locations
that actually count, not names per se
1465 [12:46:04] <booyah> blackflow: that is imo stupid design
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1467 [12:46:43] <blackflow> booyah: not at all. allows you to run
your own repos, with whatever versions you want. and you could name
them the same, but use a different URL of course, and there's
no way for apt to guess what you meant.
1468 [12:46:59] <booyah> maintainer should release (signed)
manifests stating that given version of package, with given sha256,
is now (date) indended for distro DISTRO
1469 [12:47:19] <booyah> instead of relaying on URLs, which btw
was root of this epical apt exploit anyway
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1471 [12:47:27] <blackflow> booyah: mixing repos is supported,
albeit not recommended unless you know what you're doing. your
suggestion would've prevented that
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1473 [12:48:11] <booyah> yeah that was we would not rely on URLs
like if it's a project someone hacks up in bash during
afternoon break, eliminate some security problems, and let dpkg/apt
be aware of [mixing]distros
1474 [12:48:16] <booyah> s/was/way
1475 [12:48:46] <blackflow> and with that you nuke advanced use
cases where mixing repos is under control. no thanks.
1476 [12:49:00] <booyah> blackflow: it would prevent it because
then apt is sure which distro recommends which version of package
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1478 [12:49:25] <booyah> blackflow: nothing gets nuked, it is a
warning, of course with setting it would proceed
1479 [12:49:53] <booyah> apt config would be like distro=jessie
distros_frankenstein=stretch,buster
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1483 [12:50:43] <blackflow> booyah: well for starters, you'd
need an explicit -t to install from a newer repo, that's why
adding backports won't automagically install anything from
backports unless you -t, so that part works as you suggest
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1486 [12:51:06] <blackflow> I'm not sure what exactly happens
with updates. I also said you "may've", not you
definitely did have, ended with a frankenjessie.
1487 [12:51:06] <booyah> how to confirm do I right now have
packages that are not from jessie?
1488 [12:51:14] <blackflow> s/updates/security updates/
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1490 [12:53:28] <blackflow> booyah: the only way I know is to
cross-reference "Package" and "Version" from
/var/lib/apt/lists/... with what dpkg's database knows is
installed
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1494 [12:56:18] <blackflow> (yes there's that annoying lack
of function in apt or dpkg to tell easily which repo is the package
installed from)
1495 [12:56:36] <booyah> also steeming from that super hacky way
based on URLs
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1497 [12:58:02] <booyah> jessie-updates repo still works? im
getting errors on it (maybe due to disabled redirect http)
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1500 [13:00:07] <blackflow> booyah: supposedly 'till june
next year
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1928 [13:55:16] <KOLANICH> Hi everybody. How can I make
debian/package.links work
1929 [13:55:19] <KOLANICH> ?
1930 [13:57:44] <themill> you might need some context such as what
have you tried and how does it not work
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1934 [14:00:36] <KOLANICH> themill: I am trying to build a package
with dh . dh_link is executed, package.links file is present, but
the resulting data.tar.xz in the deb has no symlinks
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1945 [14:07:01] <themill> Would be helpful to actually see it
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1953 [14:11:16] <KOLANICH> themill: what do you mean
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1957 [14:12:23] <themill> debian/foobar.links, debian/rules for
instance
1958 [14:12:42] <themill> I can't actually see your monitor,
in case you were wondering.... ;)
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1966 [14:16:36] <KOLANICH> themill: thank you. I have named it
"package.links" literaly.
1967 [14:16:54] <themill> ah
1968 [14:17:03] <KOLANICH> themill: changed and that started
working
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1971 [14:17:34] <themill> yes, that would do it.
1972 [14:17:35] <KOLANICH> maybe the docs need to be fixed to make
it clear that `package` is a template
1973 [14:18:02] <themill> It is marked as such
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1975 [14:18:41] <KOLANICH> themill: I see that, but IMHO it is not
enough clear
1976 [14:18:51] <themill> (and debhelper(7) explicitly says that
it is)
1977 [14:19:18] <KOLANICH> thanks, bye.
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2021 [14:44:54] <muhaha> How to enable pulseaudio in userspace
from root? systemctl --user disable pulseaudio - > Failed to
connect to bus: No such file or directory
2022 [14:46:02] <muhaha> Like sudo -H -u otheruser bash -c
'systemctl --user disable pulseaudio' ? Is this correct?
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2035 [14:53:57] <ayekat> machinectl would be the canonical way, as
it properly starts the user session required for systemctl to work
(+ required environment variables)
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2039 [14:54:21] <ayekat> more hacky ways involve sudo + setting
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR manually, but I'm not sure to what extent this
will work without a running session
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2041 [14:54:36] <ayekat> or just removing the symlink manually
(also rather hacky)
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2047 [14:56:08] <ayekat> ah no, not XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, but
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
2048 [14:56:56] <ayekat> that being said, I don't have a
debian under my hands right now, so I can't say for
debian-specific quirks :-}
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2060 [15:01:14] <muhaha> So this
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2061 [15:01:16] <muhaha> ?
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2063 [15:01:50] <muhaha> oh, never heard about machinectl :X
2064 [15:02:03] <ayekat> yeah - that is the hacky approach if you
don't want to use machinectl
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2069 [15:02:58] <jmcnaught> machinectl is for controlling
containers
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2073 [15:04:45] <ayekat> jmcnaught: as well
2074 [15:05:06] <marz> i have an optimus laptop with nvidia and
intel. on ubuntu the drivers installed fine and i was able to use
nvidia config to chose the video card.
2075 [15:05:15] <marz> there was a menu called prime profile
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2078 [15:05:42] <marz> on debian i can't even get the drivers
to work. installing them results in a black screen or when i login
and crashes
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2080 [15:05:56] <marz> shouldn't debian and ubuntu work the
same
2081 [15:06:08] <ksk> !ubuntu
2082 [15:06:09] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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2084 [15:06:13] <greycat> No. If they were the same, there
wouldn't be two of 'em.
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2086 [15:06:30] <ayekat> muhaha: `machinectl --uid {user} shell
.host /bin/bash` would give you a shell as {user}
2087 [15:06:39] <ksk> marz: you sure you got the right driver? Is
the one in ubuntu newer? maybe you would want to check backports
2088 [15:06:56] <jmcnaught> !bumblebee
2089 [15:06:56] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide
support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux
systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are
Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep
'\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the
laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and
<wheezy-backports>.
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2090 [15:07:14] <jmcnaught> marz: ^^ there's instructions in
the wiki link in this factoid
2091 [15:07:30] <Guifle> hello, can you help please? I have been
trying to fix this error on other channels, but couldn't yet..
I am trying to reinstall grub2;
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2094 [15:08:42] <petn-randall> Guifle: What other channels have
you already asked?
2095 [15:08:51] <Guifle> petn-randall, on #linux
2096 [15:09:05] <Guifle> but it's been a while and we have
tried a few things
2097 [15:09:06] <petn-randall> Guifle: I see. What OS release are
you running?
2098 [15:09:23] <Guifle> I have debian with missing grub
2099 [15:09:30] <Guifle> I am using a lubuntu live usb now
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2101 [15:09:57] <Guifle> debian stretch
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2103 [15:10:27] <petn-randall> Guifle: What happened that you
ended up with a non-working grub?
2104 [15:10:42] <jmcnaught> ayekat: why not just use "sudo
-i"? Using a tool that manipulates containers and VMs just to
get a shell as a user seems more complicated than it needs to be
2105 [15:11:07] <muhaha> ayekat. Thanks I will try it (well, its
another package to install )
2106 [15:11:08] <pzn> Hi! My apache is receiving SIGTERM sometimes
(5th time in 2 months-period) all I can see in apache logs is
"caught SIGTERM, shutting down". How can I diagnose what
process is generating this signal?
2107 [15:11:26] <greycat> You can't. That information is not
given to the process.
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2110 [15:12:12] <Guifle> petn-randall, grub was installed on
another OS on the same disk. I removed this OS, and grub was gone.
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2112 [15:12:33] <petn-randall> Guifle: Ah, so you had Ubuntu or
something installed in parallel?
2113 [15:12:43] <Guifle> petn-randall, during updates of OSes grub
gets installed from one OS to the other, and the last time it was on
another system.
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2115 [15:12:58] <pzn> greycat, already checked syslog (cron) and
dmesg to see if there is any "coincidence" between the
times that apache got the sigterm. could't find any. know any
other places to dig?
2116 [15:13:04] <Guifle> petn-randall, yes
2117 [15:13:10] <Guifle> but I deleted it
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2119 [15:13:25] <pagnol> is there something I can use to install
all missing dynamically linked libraries with apt given an
executable?
2120 [15:13:43] <petn-randall> Guifle: Then it should be enough to
chroot into the system, run `grub-install
/dev/<yourrootdisk>`, and then finish it off with
`update-grub`.
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2123 [15:14:02] <petn-randall> relevant bits:
2124 [15:14:02] <Guifle> petn-randall, I did these, but
"update-grub" gave above error that I pasted
2125 [15:14:03] <petn-randall> !chroot
2126 [15:14:03] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to
your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console
(Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2
/dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable
with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t
proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You
can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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2128 [15:14:29] <petn-randall> Guifle: What was the exact command
+ output from the other command then?
2129 [15:14:53] <Guifle> petn-randall I followed the steps here;
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2130 [15:15:40] <Guifle> petn-randall, your paste above shows
different commands, should I maybe try with those again?
2131 [15:17:28] <petn-randall> Guifle: Pretty much the same. What
did you exactly run for `grub-install /dev/<yourrootdisk>`,
and what was the output?
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2140 [15:20:46] <xormor> is icedtea-netx useless for me in Debian
repos? the update that was "pending" did not come for a
week or so. I grew tired of waiting for it (I used apt) and removed
it altogether so it would not "pollute" my system with
whatever would come from the net. I think it is a Java component. It
seems my browsers do not need it when I am doing the usual browsing
of
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2141 [15:21:31] <xormor> I do not play Java games anymore.
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2144 [15:22:11] <xormor> thank you in advance if you take the
effort to answer my question.
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2147 [15:23:11] <xormor> I think icedtea-netx is a Java or
JavaScript component, that has nothing to do with Flash. It might
have other purposes too. I will have to do a "apt show
icedtea-netx" for it.
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2149 [15:24:06] <xormor> JNLP, I do not need it currently.
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2155 [15:24:40] <Guifle> petn-randall, I ran "grub-install
/dev/sda" and the output said at the end "installation
complete, no errors reported"
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2158 [15:26:12] <xormor> Java is a thing of the past for me, so is
Flash, like COMMAND.COM. Occassionally I use DosBox, the Debian
stable repo version. I know how to hack MS-DOS ;-D I am so old. I am
38.
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2163 [15:27:18] <Fox> you're young
2164 [15:27:21] <petn-randall> Guifle: And you ran that inside the
chroot?
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2170 [15:28:20] <greycat> I'm guessing 38 is a bit over the
median age here, but it's impossible to be certain.
2171 [15:29:10] <Guifle> petn.randall, yes
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2180 [15:33:00] <jmcnaught> xormor: you're probably fine
without java in the browser, I haven't needed it in years.
Worry about it if you end up needing it later.
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2189 [15:39:39] <petn-randall> Guifle: And you also ran
'grub-install --recheck /dev/sda'?
2190 [15:39:55] <Guifle> petn-randall, yes
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2192 [15:40:10] <Guifle> also reported no errors
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2194 [15:40:46] <petn-randall> Guifle: Then I don't know,
since that be generating a new device map and overwriting the old
one, and in your next step it's failing on that.
2195 [15:40:52] <petn-randall> Guifle: How did you enter the
chroot?
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2197 [15:40:56] <pagnol> installing missing dynamically linked
libraries is so tedious
2198 [15:41:17] <Guifle> petn-randall, sudo chroot /mnt
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2219 [15:49:42] <petn-randall> Guifle: And you bind mounted dev
proc sys into the chroot in /mnt, right?
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2239 [15:57:27] <Guifle> petn-randall, as in the link I pasted
above, I first rant the mount --bind commands, then ran chroot
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2241 [15:57:32] <Guifle> ran*
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2258 [16:05:44] <Haxxa> open-iscsi requires configfs to be mounted
at /config will I break anything changing it from /sys/kernel/config
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2298 [16:23:28] <tw> Haxxa: mount it in both places if you
absolutely must have it there.
2299 [16:23:34] <tw> or mount -o bind
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2407 [17:07:35] <script8391> hello
2408 [17:07:51] <jasonwc> Hello all, I'm getting emails from
cron every morning because a zfs send is preventing
zfs-auto-snapshot from removing snapshots (as expected). In order to
stop receiving emails from cron, can I just set MAILTO=""
2409 [17:07:51] <jasonwc> in /etc/default/cron?
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2411 [17:08:32] <colo-work> yes, but you could also redirect stdio
fds into a file for that particular cronjob.
2412 [17:08:39] <colo-work> or use a systemd-timer instead of that
cronjob
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2414 [17:08:48] <Fox> jasonwc: you would disable mail for every
cron, why don't you put it in the faulty cron file ?
2415 [17:08:51] <script8391> good one
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2420 [17:11:17] <greycat> Or you could fix your zfs-thing to not
run at a time when your zfs-otherthing is running.
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2428 [17:15:53] <jasonwc> greycat, This is normal behavior. The
system takes snapshots every 15 minutes. While a send is in
progress, you can't delete in-use snapshots. I suppose I could
just direct output from that cron line to /dev/null
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2438 [17:23:56] <cusco> jasonwc: If a undersired stderr or stdout
exists, I would point it to /dev/null
2439 [17:24:23] <greycat> or a log file that you create
specifically to keep track of this stuff
2440 [17:24:26] <cusco> but knowing I would never care for any
output whatsoever, even if it was the lottery winning numbers
2441 [17:25:07] <cusco> I would agree on a plain log file ...
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2446 [17:29:24] <muhaha> ayekat I tried this: sudo -i -H -u myuser
bash -c "systemctl --user enable pulseaudio", but does not
work, in this case XDG and DBUS env are not set
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2451 [17:30:12] <greycat> why... on earth...
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2454 [17:30:45] <muhaha> :D any better idea?
2455 [17:31:09] <greycat> ... run the thing as you in some dot
file that runs when you log in?
2456 [17:31:24] <greycat> why on earth are you trying to fake
being yourself?
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2462 [17:32:39] * petn-randall gives greycat a biscuit to calm down.
2463 [17:32:41] <muhaha> I know that systemctl --user enable
pulseaudio is idempotent, but why to run in multiple times
2464 [17:32:50] <muhaha> *t
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2466 [17:33:29] <greycat> I'm calm enough. Just totally
confused. lastlog only shows one other line from muhaha, over 2
hours ago, and no indication what the problem is.
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2468 [17:33:56] <greycat> It LOOKS like s/he's trying to run
something that should oughta be run by a user, from a root crontab
or something.
2469 [17:34:00] <greycat> So I have no idea why.
2470 [17:34:18] <muhaha> At provisioning time... No at run
time....
2471 [17:34:28] <greycat> "provisioning" .... this means
docker or something?
2472 [17:34:32] <muhaha> vagrant
2473 [17:34:42] <greycat> !vagrant
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2479 [17:39:17] <greycat> In any event, I am strongly reminded of
a recent thread on debian-user with lots of links to stackoverflow
posts by jdebp.
2480 [17:41:34] <greycat>
replaced-url
2481 [17:42:24] <greycat> But... I have no idea what a vagrant is
(neither does dpkg), so if it's some virtual
containerifyization wossname doohicky and none of this applies to
it, well, so be it.
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2499 [17:53:51] <jelly> I did not expect useful info under
stackoverflow answers.
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2517 [18:04:46] <Tenkawa> its amazing how much faster these newer
laptop cpus are nowadays
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2629 [19:11:17] <muhaha> greycat: well, sudo -u
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2634 [19:12:34] <greycat> I won't even ask why in the hell
you're using systemd to control pulseaudio for what I'm
guessing is some kind of kiosk system.
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2638 [19:12:48] <greycat> Instead of, y'know, just letting
straight ALSA do its thing.
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2642 [19:16:33] <muhaha> I need to use PA, alsa is no option for
me :)
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2650 [19:19:48] <wonderer> hi all
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2652 [19:20:29] <wonderer> is there a good guide is settng up a
simple mailserver/function that runs on my deb 9 box
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2654 [19:21:13] <wonderer> looking at secure mail servers runnigon
the os nothing fancy, just to have it be utilized by my WP sites...
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2664 [19:23:53] <jmcnaught> wonderer: setting up and maintaining a
mail server isn't trivial, following a guide without
understanding what's going on is not advised. However if you
simply need wordpress sites to be able to send mail, look at using a
nullmailer like msmtp-mta or ssmtp to send your mail through an
email service provider
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2673 [19:27:01] <wonderer> thats the problem service providers
charge per mailbox
2674 [19:27:24] <wonderer> and i have 20sites with indiviualised
domains...
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2676 [19:27:52] <wonderer> and smtp/pop3 access not allowed on
free plan when mx records as pointed to the mail provider
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2678 [19:28:01] <wonderer> i have been using zoho
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2680 [19:28:20] <jmcnaught> do you need to receive mail?
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2697 [19:39:19] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: It's pretty easy
with just postfix & debconf.
2698 [19:40:11] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: Do you have RDNS?
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2739 [19:57:32] <pthomas> hello, I have an up-to-date debian
stretch arm64 install, and linuxptp seems to hose sshd
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2741 [19:58:35] <pthomas> whenever linuxptp is installed I get
"ssh_dispatch_run_fatal: Connection from 10.244.33.4 port
52630: Resource temporarily unavailable [preauth]" lines when
trying to connect via ssh
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2743 [20:00:08] <wonderer> pthomas Just curios on linuxptp use?
2744 [20:00:18] <wonderer> whats its purppose
2745 [20:01:08] <pthomas> I need to do some ethernet packet timing
so I need the hardware timestamps
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2748 [20:01:25] <pthomas> OK just removing the service seems to be
enough
2749 [20:01:27] <wonderer> debhelper and other ops - fabc1 is PV
spamming
2750 [20:01:38] <wonderer> pm spamming
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2752 [20:01:56] <wonderer> oic pthomas
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2754 [20:02:20] <wonderer> i use tcpdump
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2756 [20:02:38] <wonderer> i use tcpdump - /path/to/log etccc
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2760 [20:02:47] <wonderer> i use tcpdump -o /path/to/log etccc
2761 [20:03:05] <pthomas> tcpdump is nice, but if you want hw
timestamps you need to use IEEE 1588 i.e. ptp
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2765 [20:03:58] <pthomas> the Ethernet adapter actually timestamps
the packets as they are recieved and transmitted
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2779 [20:12:41] <wonderer> pthomas interesting, nice to know...
will look into it too thx
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2786 [20:17:56] <johnfg> hi guys
2787 [20:18:05] <johnfg> hi guys
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2794 [20:19:54] <johnfg> somehow, when I was running grub when
installing another os, it wrote it to a different spot than I'm
used to, with this debian stretch being my *main* machine.
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2797 [20:20:13] <johnfg> Running grub-mkconfig didn't fix the
problem.
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2809 [20:20:43] <johnfg> my question is, should I run grub-install
again, and will I lose anything if I do?
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2871 [20:22:58] <penpatde> johnfg: cp grub.cfg grub.cfg.bak before
you change something or call a tool like update-grub
2872 [20:23:41] <johnfg> penpatde: sounds good.
2873 [20:23:42] <penpatde> dont copy & paste the command. its
lacking path info
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2878 [20:25:49] <johnfg> penpatde: right, already done.
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2880 [20:25:54] <hammer065> Did anyone else get a PM from fabc1?
2881 [20:26:27] <johnfg> penpatde: The thing is, the update-grub,
like grub-mkconfig doesn't actually reinstall grub, and I think
that's what may be the problem.
2882 [20:26:33] <penpatde> hammer065: confirmed
2883 [20:26:42] <hammer065> Nice
2884 [20:26:52] <hammer065> How to report Spam here on freenode?
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2886 [20:26:59] <johnfg> will grub-install call either one of
those other programs after it installs to /dev/sda?
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2888 [20:27:07] <penpatde> i didnt get spam. just a harmless text
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2890 [20:27:38] <hammer065> Me too, but randomly getting a PM from
an unknown user is considered suspicious for me
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2892 [20:27:52] <johnfg> hammer065: I got it too.
2893 [20:27:56] <hammer065> And if that happens to multiple users,
I classify this as spam
2894 [20:28:01] <penpatde> if you absolutely dont want private
messages, then you can turn it off
2895 [20:28:02] <hammer065> See?
2896 [20:28:22] <hammer065> penpatde I want PMs, but not randomly
from random people
2897 [20:28:47] <hammer065> Whatever, I'm gonna contact
somebody on #freenode ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2898 [20:29:06] * penpatde shrugs
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2904 [20:32:38] <rant> does anyone know wth this debhelper-compat
is? I frequently find issues regarding this with checking
dependencies for backporting and no such package seems to exist
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2911 [20:35:46] <rant> hmm apparently it has to do with
compatibility versioning of debhelper
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2914 [20:36:25] <rant> I'm just still not understanding why
maintainers are doing this
2915 [20:36:45] <krabador> fabc1, what's up?
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2938 [20:46:05] <jhutchins_wk> hammer065: DMs are something that
happens on irc, it's one of the features. Primly insisting that
you shouldn't be botthered by the anonymous masses is silly.
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2945 [20:50:05] <johnfg> hey guys
2946 [20:50:31] <johnfg> all went well after running grub-install
/dev/sda. Back to normal.
2947 [20:51:00] <johnfg> Just ran apt update and got this message:
E: Release file for
replaced-url
2948 [20:51:09] <johnfg> Anything I should do about it?
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2951 [20:52:33] <greycat> Didn't happen for me, testing just
now.
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2953 [20:53:16] <johnfg> greycat: thanks!
2954 [20:53:32] <johnfg> Other repos, no errors.
2955 [20:53:40] <greycat> So, maybe it's just *one* of the
ftp.us.d.o mirrors that's doing it and I got lucky, or maybe
they just fixed it a few seconds ago, or ... who knows.
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2958 [20:54:23] <greycat> Oh, whoops, I don't actually have a
stretch-updates line on this one. Let's fix that....
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2960 [20:55:43] <greycat> OK, still no errors for me.
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3003 [21:17:56] <jhutchins_wk> !mirror status
3004 [21:17:57] <dpkg> Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use
to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some
statistics the mirror maintainers provide:
replaced-url
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3010 [21:18:48] <jhutchins_wk> Johann: Give it a while (might
already be long enough), do an update, try again.
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3100 [21:46:53] <Mister_X> hello guys
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3102 [21:47:18] <Mister_X> I'm hitting an issue where in the
installer, the mouse cursor is there but it doesn't work
3103 [21:47:23] <Mister_X> the keyboard however works
3104 [21:47:33] <Mister_X> I'm trying to get the Xorg log
file out
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3106 [21:48:24] <Mister_X> Ctrl-Alt-F2/F3 gets me a limited
console (busybox/initrd I think)
3107 [21:48:50] <Mister_X> tried to plug thumbdrive, didn't
show up in /dev
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3110 [21:49:33] <Mister_X> tried to mount a partitioned hard disk,
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3115 [21:51:02] <Mister_X> trying to specify -t ext4 didn't
help
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3119 [21:51:13] <Mister_X> and tried again that same command,
succeeded
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3182 [22:20:40] <JC_SoCal> Does anyone have an idea how to fix
this? Most posts I've found discuss editing a file in /sys --
however I can't get access to the system without booting from a
cd and mounting /dev/sda1 and because /sys is a tempfs, it
isn't present when i mount the drive. [ 12.404765] leds
dell::kbd_backlight: Setting an LEDs brightness failed (-5) I have a
screen image here:
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3184 [22:21:54] <kreyren> Is this sane sources.list?
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3190 [22:24:31] <jmcnaught> kreyren: are you trying to have a
stable system or a testing system? I would the release code name
(buster) instead of testing. Also make sure to never uncomment the
ubuntu repos, you cannot mix ubuntu and debian
3191 [22:24:53] <jmcnaught> also testing support is on
irc.oftc.net in the #debian-next channel
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3193 [22:25:40] <ussie> guys I have tried ask question on
#networking but I think it is my system problem not configuration
3194 [22:25:43] <ussie> or i am stupid
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3196 [22:26:40] <ussie> i have tried to make a bridge between two
network interfaces (virtual and physical), 4 different ways, iptable
way. nothing.
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3200 [22:26:56] <ussie> do I have to turn on something?
3201 [22:26:59] <kreyren> mcnaught: Wanted stable, but prefer more
recent packages
3202 [22:27:05] <kreyren> alike rust 1.32.0
3203 [22:27:38] <kreyren> mcnaught: debian-next is invite only
3204 [22:27:41] <jmcnaught> kreyren: well you also cannot mix
stable and testing, it just becomes a semi-upgraded testing system.
For newer packages there's stretch-backports, also you can
manually backport some packages
3205 [22:27:52] <kreyren> mcnaught: so drop backports?
3206 [22:27:53] <jmcnaught> kreyren: you missed the part where I
said "on irc.oftc.net"
3207 [22:28:00] <kreyren> ah noted
3208 [22:28:08] <jmcnaught> kreyren: backports are good, mixing
stable and testing is bad
3209 [22:28:30] <kreyren> mcnaught: what do you recommend?
expected stable system with more recent packages
3210 [22:28:30] <petn-randall> ussie: bridging interfaces does not
involve iptables, that might be your problem.
3211 [22:28:45] <kreyren> mcnaught: alike i need rust 1.32.0 atm
3212 [22:28:51] <petn-randall> ,v rust
3213 [22:28:52] <judd> No package named 'rust' was found
in amd64.
3214 [22:28:53] <greycat> I recommend not expecting obviously
impossible things.
3215 [22:29:06] <ussie> no, I have iptables instead bridges - to
forward traffic
3216 [22:29:07] <jmcnaught> kreyren: my advice is to install a
stable system, then use a container or chroot for stuff like newer
rust
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3218 [22:29:11] <kreyren> it's `rustc` package afaik
3219 [22:29:11] <ussie> i have tried
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3221 [22:29:25] <petn-randall> ussie: That's not briding
then.
3222 [22:29:34] <ussie> i have iptables too
3223 [22:29:35] <greycat> ,v rustc
3224 [22:29:36] <judd> Package: rustc on amd64 -- stretch:
1.24.1+dfsg1-1~deb9u4; buster: 1.32.0+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.32.0+dfsg1-1
3225 [22:29:37] <ussie> damn
3226 [22:29:42] <ussie> i have tried iptables too
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3228 [22:30:18] <greycat> Isn't rust a compiler or something?
What are you planning to *do* with it? If it compiles something, you
won't be able to run it on a stable system.
3229 [22:30:23] <kreyren> or are backports included in testing
repo already?
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3231 [22:30:54] <kreyren> greycat: learning rust and need new
version
3232 [22:31:00] <greycat> "I want a stable system but I want
to develop programs using bleeding edge dev tools" is just not
a viable thing. Your products will require bleeding edge runtime
environments.
3233 [22:31:02] <ussie> i have read great docs about bridgeing and
forwarding
3234 [22:31:17] <ussie> i have tried all ideas
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3238 [22:31:37] <kreyren> greycat: expected to use debian as
backupOS so i want it maintainance free with recent packages and all
security updates ideally
3239 [22:31:49] <ussie> i only know about sysctl forwadting option
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3241 [22:31:55] <jmcnaught> kreyren: stuff is backported *from*
testing, there is no testing-backports. For what it's worth,
lots of people do run testing on their desktops just know that there
are no security updates for testing, and that stuff breaks sometimes
during upgrades
3242 [22:31:58] <ussie> i turned it on
3243 [22:32:01] <petn-randall> ussie: I think you need to read up
on the basics before attempting things. i can recommend
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3244 [22:32:32] <ussie> i know iptables
3245 [22:32:40] <ussie> i don't need basics
3246 [22:32:52] <kreyren> mcnaught: elaborate on no security
updates for testing?
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3248 [22:32:59] <ussie> i am just crying here ;)
3249 [22:33:04] <ussie> i wanna hug
3250 [22:33:12] <ussie> please
3251 [22:33:16] <petn-randall> Sounds like you want us to solve it
without understanding the basics.
3252 [22:33:30] <petn-randall> *without you understanding the
basics.
3253 [22:33:36] <kreyren> ussie:
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3254 [22:33:48] <jmcnaught> kreyren: stable gets security fixes
from the security team, testing doesn't. testing only gets
updates that migrate from unstable as part of the over all
development process of the distro
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3258 [22:34:39] <kreyren> mcnaught: so security patches on stable
are ported from testing?
3259 [22:34:45] <ussie> i think i am ok with iptables
3260 [22:34:45] <kreyren> *testing or sid
3261 [22:35:02] <ussie> but bridging is a magic to me
3262 [22:35:08] <greycat> No. Security patches in stable are
BACKPORTED from upstream fixes TO the stable version.
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3264 [22:35:43] <greycat> Stable is a self-contained system. It
does not get anything from unstable/testing.
3265 [22:35:44] <kreyren> greycat: so i get all security patches
on stable? (want to avoid using sid)
3266 [22:35:51] <petn-randall> ussie: It's magic since you
just learned the difference 10 minutes ago. Let us know when
you've read up on the topic, then debugging will become a lot
easier.
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3268 [22:36:13] <ussie> i am working on it for 10 hours
3269 [22:36:49] * kreyren spent 12 hours trying to make hello world in
rust and he keeps failing if it makes ussie feel better
3270 [22:37:24] <ussie> do you know what the problem is?
3271 [22:37:33] <ussie> i have nobody to talk to about this kind
of stuff
3272 [22:37:45] <kreyren> ussie: tldr what is the issue?
3273 [22:37:48] <ussie> all my friends do php
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3275 [22:38:28] <ussie> now? i want to figure out how can I use
device A to connecto via device B
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3277 [22:38:49] <kreyren> ussie: elaborate
3278 [22:38:55] <ussie> ok
3279 [22:39:03] <kreyren> and make it short plz
3280 [22:39:12] <ussie> curl --interface virtual-one google.com
3281 [22:39:28] <ussie> me -> curl -> veth0 -> eth0 ->
google.com
3282 [22:39:42] <ussie> google.com -> eth0 ->veth0 ->
curl -> me
3283 [22:39:54] <kreyren> what do you expect from it?
3284 [22:39:56] <kreyren> VPN?
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3286 [22:40:26] <ussie> what do you mean - VPN?
3287 [22:40:46] <ussie> i have tried namespaces but it is not good
solution
3288 [22:41:51] <kreyren> what is abstract of this operation
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3291 [22:42:11] <kreyren> -> what do you hope to achieve doing
this
3292 [22:42:24] <ussie> now? just wanna learn
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3295 [22:42:37] <ussie> finaly - i wanna to finish my project
3296 [22:42:46] <ussie> I'll put my pastebin
3297 [22:43:29] <kreyren> again what do you want to do why do you
need device A to connect via device B
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3300 [22:45:43] <kreyren> i guess you can set device B as proxy
server and then set curl to download from a proxy.. if i understand
you correctly
3301 [22:45:57] <ussie>
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3303 [22:46:26] <ussie> this is what i am doing - probably i do it
wrong because I don't understand it
3304 [22:46:39] <ksk> WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO
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3306 [22:46:54] <kreyren> +1 ksk
3307 [22:46:58] <ksk> explain it to us like you would explain it
to your six-year old sister please.
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3309 [22:47:07] <kreyren> *5 y.o
3310 [22:47:09] <ksk> else, you just keep wasting your and our
time.
3311 [22:47:16] <ussie> ok, I'll use pastebin, ok?
3312 [22:47:22] <kreyren> use words here
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3315 [22:47:36] <ussie> to much words
3316 [22:47:40] <kreyren> just make it so that idiot like me
understads it
3317 [22:47:46] <ksk> there should be no need. 1 to 3 short
sentences on what you want $computer to do
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3320 [22:47:52] <kreyren> +1
3321 [22:48:02] <ksk> !xyproblem
3322 [22:48:03] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
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3323 [22:48:12] <kreyren> +1
3324 [22:48:13] <gpsych> Hello, my AVLinux install seems to be
deleting my configs from /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, namely
90-synaptics.conf. I'm trying to get it to supersede libinput
for my touchpad...
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3326 [22:48:37] <ksk> kreyren: also, it might take some time, but
I really suggest you read that XyProblem link from the bot.
3327 [22:49:05] <gpsych> I'm using XFCE, which has a
not-fully-featured mouse configuration GUI, and I'm not sure if
it's responsible
3328 [22:49:15] <ksk> gpsych: Is AVLinux a distro? We support
debian in here.
3329 [22:49:20] <kreyren> ksk: for my usecase i need stable,
secure OS that i can use as a backup for Gentoo and LFS with recent
packages.
3330 [22:49:25] <gpsych> It uses Debian Stretch
3331 [22:49:39] <gpsych> I could move to the unofficial channel
3332 [22:49:52] <ksk> !based on debian
3333 [22:49:52] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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3334 [22:49:58] <gpsych> Indeed.
3335 [22:49:58] <kreyren> ksk: backup means system with GUI where
i can watch netflix and chroot in
3336 [22:50:03] <ksk> kreyren: pardon? :D
3337 [22:50:10] <kreyren> eh? o.o
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3339 [22:50:32] <kreyren> (that was my question about sources.list
sanity..)
3340 [22:50:37] <ksk> I was not aware of you asking a question -
or me answering it :D
3341 [22:50:39] <ksk> ah okay.
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3344 [22:51:04] <kreyren> i was asking it before ussie but i was
trying to help him :D
3345 [22:51:15] <ksk> !tell kreyren about stretch sources list
3346 [22:52:03] <ussie>
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3347 [22:52:07] <ksk> Im not a Linux desktop user, so I have
limited experience in that field. Id recommend going with stable -
and maybe cherry picking some stuff you want from upstream
3348 [22:52:18] <kreyren> ksk: current sources.list
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3349 [22:52:18] <kreyren> i was to avoid using Sid (since i'm
traumatized for a life by it) and i need rustc 1.32.0 and secure
system
3350 [22:52:25] <kreyren> ah nwm
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3352 [22:52:36] <ksk> kreyren: are you at the point already, where
stable does not fit your needs because of old software?
3353 [22:52:55] <ussie> there is the problem - pastebin - I am
open for every solution, but I have to use those modems as they are
configured by default
3354 [22:53:02] <ksk> ah you need software version XY. there might
be no way to archieve that in a "debian way" Im afraid
3355 [22:53:06] <kreyren> ksk: on ubuntu atm didn't check
stable if it has 1.32.0 and dunno about it's security
3356 [22:53:25] <kreyren> ksk: since i'm used to build custom
kernel and spent months to make gentoo secure and optimized..
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3358 [22:54:05] <ksk> kreyren: but havin a secure system is more
like an ongoing task, and not done in a fixed amount of time. as
things get patched - and so you need to then patch yourself if you
dont have an OS that takes care of everything
3359 [22:54:28] <greycat> If all you want is to toy around with
rustc 1.32 and not actually USE it for anything real, you can
install testing in a chroot and do your playing there. Or, you can
bite the bullet and run buster full-time, and simply accept that
whatever you build won't be usable by anyone else until buster
releases, probably in 4-6 months.
3360 [22:55:08] <kreyren> ussie: why do all devices have same iP?
3361 [22:55:18] <ksk> ussie: I have a tendency to dislike things
that start with "dont ask why I do that" :>
3362 [22:55:31] <greycat> Again:
3363 [22:55:32] <ussie> kreyren - because it is default, factory
setting, and there is no option to change it
3364 [22:55:33] <greycat> ,v rustc
3365 [22:55:34] <judd> Package: rustc on amd64 -- stretch:
1.24.1+dfsg1-1~deb9u4; buster: 1.32.0+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.32.0+dfsg1-1
3366 [22:55:43] <kreyren> greycat: my sid was breaking everyday is
is any better on testing?
3367 [22:56:07] <kreyren> judd: ty
3368 [22:56:22] <ksk> ussie: I think you mentioned network
namespaces earlier? I think this (or full virtualisation for every
modem) might be the only possible way to do this
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3370 [22:57:18] <jcb2016> im trying to register on the fourms but
the captcha is really hard. any ideas?
3371 [22:57:29] <kreyren> jcb2016: don't be a robot
3372 [22:57:41] <ussie> ksk, so there is no option for iptables
forwarding or nic bridges?
3373 [22:58:08] <ksk> ussie: what are you doing with these things
anyway? like they are usb-modems for example, and you need to make
connections via them?
3374 [22:58:09] <greycat> what forums?
3375 [22:58:20] <kreyren> jcb2016: there is a generated audio if
you can't read the capha usually afaik
3376 [22:58:24] <ksk> I did not acutally ever try to put one IP to
different devices on linux..
3377 [22:58:46] <ussie> ksk, yes. Server takes request (URL/modem)
and proxies connections
3378 [22:58:51] <kreyren> is
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3381 [22:59:38] <kreyren> assuming that
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3382 [22:59:38] <ksk> iirc deb. was a geo-location thingy, that
would magicly give you the closest gateway? not sure..
3383 [22:59:48] <ussie> ksk, server checks ip of device, bind ip
and use it
3384 [22:59:57] <kreyren> ksk: ah i see ty
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3386 [23:00:11] <ksk> !tell kreyren about deb.debian.org
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3388 [23:00:41] <ussie> i can't use namespaces because
devices inside are unreachable from outside
3389 [23:01:23] <ussie> i know it is possible to bridge it
3390 [23:01:30] <ksk> you would need to put whatever needs to talk
to them into the same namespace afaik.
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3393 [23:01:42] <ussie> i know because some company worked on it
before me
3394 [23:01:45] <ussie> and they did it
3395 [23:02:07] <ussie> but i haven't the setup files,
scrips, anything
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3397 [23:02:32] <jcb2016> thanks kreyren
3398 [23:03:11] <ussie> ksk, wait, wait, wait, wait.... you are
genuess
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3416 [23:08:30] <ussie> ksk, nope I can't
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3418 [23:08:40] <ussie> I get the same IP in the namespace
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3432 [23:16:18] <ayekat> muhaha: yes, I've got a better idea
- read what I wrote before about setting the environment variables
or using machinectl...
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3442 [23:24:13] <kreyren> What is the URL for debian's
keyserver?
3443 [23:24:23] <kreyren> need to sign testing repo..
3444 [23:24:28] <ksk> I dont think there is one.
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3446 [23:24:44] <ksk> and also there are no private keys avail ;)
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3448 [23:25:03] <ksk> what are you doing know? you can either just
import the keyid via any gpg-keyserver
3449 [23:25:14] <ksk> or install the debian-keyring package (on
systems like ubuntu iirc)
3450 [23:25:22] <ksk> s/know/now/
3451 [23:25:41] <kreyren> trying to switch from ubuntu packages on
debian's
replaced-url
3452 [23:26:13] <kreyren> wanted to use `gpg --keyserver
<url> --recv-keys keyA keyB
3453 [23:26:45] <OerHeks> the frankendebian factoid applies to
your question
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3455 [23:27:08] <kreyren> not franken just switching from ubuntu
on debian
3456 [23:27:19] <kreyren> ubuntu's packages will be removed
3457 [23:27:44] <kreyren> keyring.debian.org seems to be a thing
3458 [23:27:50] <ksk> apt can not handle an in-place os exchange
last time I checkd.
3459 [23:28:05] <ksk> see the description of the package
debian-keyring to get the real thing.
3460 [23:28:10] <kreyren> ksk: performed it before with no issues
iirc o.o
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3462 [23:28:37] <ksk> kreyren: just mixing packages from distris
you mean? nevermind then.
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3464 [23:29:00] <oneforall2> hey with grub if you update a kernel
do you still have to reboot?
3465 [23:29:25] <jmcnaught> kreyren: you should just do a fresh
install of debian, trying to do a live migration like that is
unsupported, untested, and will likely be more work and headaches
3466 [23:29:29] <kreyren> ksk: no replacing them with
debian's
3467 [23:29:57] <kreyren> jmcnaught: noted, can you provide info
to fix current issue? should be painless after iirc
3468 [23:30:05] <OerHeks> oneforall2, yes, to get the fresh kernel
running
3469 [23:30:06] <ksk> oneforall2: grub has kind of nothing to do
with a running system. so yes, to run a updated version of the
kernel you need to reboot.
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3472 [23:31:16] <kreyren> oneforall2: Live patch of kernel is also
a thing, but i never made it work
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3474 [23:31:26] <kreyren> well so far not..
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3476 [23:32:02] <jmcnaught> kreyren: debian users have the
required keys installed a package by the installer, which is
probably the only advice you'll get here
3477 [23:32:42] <kreyren> meh.. fine
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3480 [23:34:04] <Barnbo> hello, can you help please? I am getting
this error when I try to reinstall grub2;
replaced-url
3481 [23:34:04] <ksk> kreyren: I stated various solutions to your
problem. use any keyserver (they are inter-connected, really). or
just install the package debian-keyring on ubuntu..
3482 [23:34:16] <Barnbo> I talked to petn-randall today about it,
but we couldn't find a solution
3483 [23:34:30] <ksk> (debian-keyring is an ubuntu-package, also.)
3484 [23:34:58] <kreyren> ksk: there is no debian-keyring on
ubuntu, downloading it from the repo
3485 [23:35:31] <ksk> for xenial, there is.
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3491 [23:37:13] <kreyren> ksk: got it how do i use it?
`debian-keyring` is not calleble
3492 [23:38:06] <OerHeks> sure there is
replaced-url
3493 [23:38:30] <OerHeks> oops, i should not help wrecking ubuntu
and debian
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3497 [23:39:44] <kreyren> used `rsync -az --progress
keyring.debian.org::keyrings/keyrings/ .` which didn't work
based on
replaced-url
3498 [23:40:06] <kreyren> nwm i do netinstall i dont have anything
needed on base system anyway o.o
3499 [23:40:16] <ksk> you should really stahp. sorry, not going to
help you either :o
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3501 [23:41:15] <ksk> netinstall sounds reasonable ;)
3502 [23:41:32] <ksk> but in theory you can install debian from
any running linux of course.
3503 [23:41:40] <JC_SoCal> it took me a minute to realize i could
ssh into my host even though this error is present -- not sure how
to fix it
replaced-url
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3505 [23:42:41] <kreyren> ksk: meh netinstall is going to be
probably faster then doing installation on chroot o.o
3506 [23:42:51] <BCMM> JC_SoCal: are you actually having a problem
with the keyboard backlight? or just bothered by the error message?
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3508 [23:43:08] <ksk> kreyren: it will be easier, thats granted.
3509 [23:43:21] <JC_SoCal> @BCMM i'm not bothered by the
error message -- but the screen halts there =)
3510 [23:43:28] <BCMM> ah, right
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3512 [23:43:43] <kreyren> ksk: chroot is faster? info?
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3514 [23:44:22] <JC_SoCal> @BCMM I can shift to another tty -- so
i'm good with either finding a way to supress that message or
fix the actual issue, I do not care about the keyboard backlight
itself
3515 [23:44:25] <BCMM> JC_SoCal: are you booting with the
"quiet" parameter? i suspect the keyboard backlight might
not be the issue that's making boot hang
3516 [23:44:37] <kreyren> or nah.. i need to replace ubuntu with
debian anyway
3517 [23:44:39] <JC_SoCal> @BCMM yes i am
3518 [23:44:44] <jmcnaught> JC_SoCal: that error might be
unrelated to the problem you're having, but there are probably
clues in the logs or journal
3519 [23:45:03] <JC_SoCal> @jmcnaught which log would you
recommend searching first?
3520 [23:45:08] <BCMM> JC_SoCal: try taking quiet off, and see if
you get a more interesting message. or check dmesg, or journalctl.
3521 [23:45:20] <jmcnaught> ^
3522 [23:45:35] <JC_SoCal> awesome thanks BCMM and jmcnaught
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3525 [23:47:09] <jmcnaught> JC_SoCal: you can make a paste of your
logs with "journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999" then
others might help you look for clues
3526 [23:47:14] <ksk> kreyren: doing the chroot + debootstrap way
you will not have to deal with the debia installer, but do
everything on your own - really depends on you then which one is
faster ;)
3527 [23:47:39] <ksk> the installer is fine, just use it.
3528 [23:47:59] <JC_SoCal> jmcnaught: very cool, I think I found
it though =D
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3530 [23:48:24] <JC_SoCal> i never knew about journalctl
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3536 [23:54:58] <Epx998> How can I find a dist tag for debian? I
need it to update someones script that uses rpm to make packages for
all our distros
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3538 [23:57:40] <BCMM> what's a "dist tag"?
3539 [23:58:07] <areyouloco> Epx998: exacly? a distro codename?
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3541 [23:58:44] <Epx998> well the version
3542 [23:59:01] <Epx998> number, but maybe i can do lsb_release
and toss it in to a case
3543 [23:59:02] <BCMM> Epx998: are you asking how to tell what
version of debian is installed on a system?
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3545 [23:59:29] <areyouloco> lsb_release -r
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3547 [23:59:44] <Epx998> lsb_release -r -s is what I have
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