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• 9[00:06:07] <Ooze> Sort of new to scripting.. Do I need to do some sort of 'exec' command for this ZSH setopt command? replaced-url
• 10[00:06:25] <Ooze> Also, anything else look amiss?
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• 62[00:45:23] <_alx_> is there a display environment variable I can set to trick some code because it doesn't really need a display
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• 78[00:52:57] <_alx_> can you trick a debian vm to think there is a display, connect to it, but not actually have it have to do anything
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• 80[00:53:54] <_alx_> I tried setting the display env variable to :0.0 but I get a Connection refused error
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• 82[00:54:28] <ratrace> !xy
• 83[00:54:28] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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• 86[00:55:11] <_alx_> ratrace: ok, well… where should I begin
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• 88[00:56:45] <ratrace> at the.... beginning.
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• 95[00:59:39] <_alx_> i have a swarm of worker vms that have displays running an array of different OS's and setups, I'm testing them all at the same time and forwarding results back to my client. My scheduler node is in a headless vm and so is the client processes (a client is the node which controls the swarm). The vm running the scheduler and the client are both on a headless VM. The code i need to run actually only needs to run in the vms, which has a dis
• 96[00:59:40] <_alx_> play because they are not headless vms. I can't make the debian vm headless it's running miles away. I can only really make the workers headless
• 97[00:59:47] <also_uplime> Hi! I've got a debian 10 VM with 2 network interfaces. One is bridged to the real network, and another is connected to a host only network. Since I'm on a laptop the bridged interface's IP will change from time to time as I move around, so that is dhcp (ens33) but the host only (ens34) has been statically configured
• 98[00:59:47] <also_uplime> (/etc/network/interfaces.d/ens34: replaced-url
• 99[00:59:49] <_alx_> *i can make the workers GUI
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• 104[01:01:28] <ratrace> _alx_: okay and the actual question is?
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• 113[01:02:44] <_alx_> ratrace: how can I fake a display on the headless vm
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• 115[01:02:47] <ratrace> _alx_: you want the VMs, that run xorg, be run on the headless host with no display?
• 116[01:02:57] <ratrace> _alx_: why do you need to fake anything? it's virtual display.
• 117[01:03:06] <ratrace> _alx_: oh btw... which hypervisor are you using?
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• 119[01:04:10] <_alx_> ratrace: there are two, for the workers it's virtualbox and for the headless scheduler/client is an openstack thing
• 120[01:04:44] <ratrace> also_uplime: take a look at routing "metric"
• 121[01:04:57] <_alx_> I need my headless vm to pretend there is a display because it's not actually needing it
• 122[01:05:08] <_alx_> dask needs to be able to import the code to send it to the workers
• 123[01:05:26] <also_uplime> ratrace: replaced-url
• 124[01:05:35] <ratrace> _alx_: it's virtual hardware, it doesn't have to pretend anything. just don't run it with display enabled
• 125[01:05:53] <also_uplime> i mean, the issue is the default gateway. as soon as I make the default gateway ens33 I've got internet again
• 126[01:06:06] <also_uplime> I'd like ens33 to be it anyways since most traffic will go over it
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• 129[01:06:39] <_alx_> ratrace: the vms I can run without a display fine. But the scheduler/Client on open stack that runs debian? I need a fake display to make work
• 130[01:06:58] <ratrace> also_uplime: replaced-url
• 131[01:07:47] <also_uplime> ahh, let me give that a try
• 132[01:08:23] <ratrace> _alx_: sorry I have no idea what you're talking about. you can run qemu-kvm VMs with "-display none" and "-daemonize"
• 133[01:08:48] <_alx_> ratrace: ok that is something i've never heard about but sounds promissing. I will look into that
• 134[01:08:59] <ratrace> that way qemu won't try to connect to its virtual display, requiring xorg on the host side.
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• 163[01:28:37] <ritmo> good evening everyone!
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• 167[01:29:37] <ritmo> have a very basic question, what do yall use for bluetooth? or does anybody know the terminal command to disable bluetooth in debian 10?
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• 172[01:31:29] <ritmo> i have a thinkpad x220 and i can see the green bluetooth thing is on.. but its not connected to anything
• 173[01:32:02] <ritmo> tried sudo service bluetooth stop but it' still shining
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• 176[01:33:45] <dvs> ritmo, AutoEnable in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf ?
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• 178[01:35:44] <ritmo> ok i tried this, needs a restart?
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• 180[01:35:53] <dvs> probably
• 181[01:35:56] <ritmo> lamp still shining
• 182[01:36:08] <ritmo> k will restart.. brb, thanks in advance
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• 189[01:36:56] <rbernhard> Noob question, When i have this aes 128 Public KEY: {0xGE,0x15,0xFE,0xDG,0xAF,0x6A,0xGF,0x43,0x23,0x55,0xFF,0xC3,0xBA,0xAB,0xAC,0xEE}
• 190[01:36:56] <rbernhard> then what is the acutal password/key in normal text ?
• 191[01:37:22] <dvs> who knows
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• 193[01:37:55] <ritmo> dvs, well, didnt work, things still shining
• 194[01:38:11] <ritmo> is there something like sudo bluetooth status?
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• 198[01:39:37] <greatgatsby> 0xGE ? Did you just make this up?
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• 200[01:40:27] <greatgatsby> also, AES is a symmetric cipher, there's no public/private keypair
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• 207[01:43:58] <greatgatsby> and the max hex character is 0xF (15), so for two bytes, max is 0xFF (255). You'll never see a G in hex representation (assuming that's what that is)
• 208[01:44:24] <greatgatsby> s/two bytes/one byte/
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• 210[01:44:36] <dvs> by jove!
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• 212[01:44:45] <greatgatsby> 0b11111111 == 0xFF == 255
• 213[01:45:00] <greatgatsby> anyway, I'm rambling
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• 215[01:46:24] <joepublic> and, 0b0000000100000000 == 0x100 == 256
• 216[01:46:28] <rbernhard> @greatgatsby it was just an example
• 217[01:46:32] <joepublic> cleverly skipping the 'G'
• 218[01:46:44] <rbernhard> does it translate to normal text ?
• 219[01:47:09] <joepublic> `man ascii` tells you the hex codes and what 'normal text' character they correspond to.
• 220[01:47:13] <ratrace> aes key doesn't translate to anything, it's a sequence of bytes used to turn plaintext into ciphertext
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• 222[01:47:39] <greatgatsby> no, it's bytes (binary). In this example, if I turn your G into an F, just as an example, and format it different, this is the bytes: binascii.unhexlify("FE15FEDFAF6AFF432355FFC3BAABACEE")
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• 224[01:47:42] <greatgatsby> using python
• 225[01:47:46] <ritmo> guys anyone can tell me how to just disable bluetooth in debian 10? tried "dvs" suggestions to put autoenable in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf to false+restart, tried "sudo service bluetooth stop". would love to be able to just "check status" and "turn on/off"
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• 227[01:47:53] <ritmo> any suggestions :) ?
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• 229[01:48:18] <greatgatsby> to clarify, it's the hex representation of bytes
• 230[01:48:19] <sney> !rfkill
• 231[01:48:19] <dpkg> /dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since Linux 2.6.31. It is used to enable and disable wireless networking devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX). The rfkill userspace tool for accessing this interface is in the rfkill package. replaced-url
• 232[01:48:34] <rbernhard> i see so you remove the 0x and commas
• 233[01:48:51] <ratrace> ritmo: systemctl mask bluetooth.service
• 234[01:48:57] <rbernhard> but this FE15FEDFAF6AFF432355FFC3BAABACEE actually is no password ?
• 235[01:49:07] <rbernhard> its bytes
• 236[01:49:13] <dvs> ritmo, put AutoEnable? It should already be there.
• 237[01:49:26] <ritmo> yes i changed it, then restarded my laptop
• 238[01:49:49] <ritmo> but it"s still on i think (at least the bluetooth lamp on my thinkpad is still on) this is why i also was asking how to check the status
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• 240[01:50:39] <greatgatsby> rbernhard, look at the very first example here:
• 241[01:50:41] <greatgatsby> replaced-url
• 242[01:50:52] <ratrace> rbernhard: since you made up that example, it's futile talking about what that string represents. otherwise, aes key IS a "password", so to speak, used to turn plaintext into ciphertext (and vice versa, being symmetrical)
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• 244[01:51:06] <greatgatsby> rbernhard, the key is binary bytes. There's no requirement that the key is some utf-8 encoded string, or anything like that
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• 246[01:51:55] <greatgatsby> rbernhard, if you use python3 and some aes librarly, and try to pass in a string key, it's probably going to complain
• 247[01:52:08] <greatgatsby> library even
• 248[01:52:43] <ritmo> tried "sudo hciconfig hci10 down", "sudo systemctl mask bluetooth.service" too now
• 249[01:52:48] <greatgatsby> rbernhard, so one way to represent arbitrary binary in a printable form is the hex representation
• 250[01:52:53] <ritmo> how can i just check status ? i wanna see if it's on
• 251[01:53:02] <rbernhard> This aes 128 protocol has Public key, IV and Private Key, IV i want to decrypt some encrypted code, i got those hex keys.. when i try to decrypt the code with CyberChef it does not work (the keys are oke). So i want to fing out what i am doing wrong.
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• 253[01:53:27] <greatgatsby> it's a symmetric key, unless there's more to this story
• 254[01:53:29] <joepublic> by trying to map 0xG to printable characters?
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• 256[01:54:46] <greatgatsby> there is no 0xG
• 257[01:54:49] <ratrace> rbernhard: there are no public and private keys in AES. there's just one (and sometimes it's called just private, so there's no public component of it)
• 258[01:54:52] <greatgatsby> no such thing
• 259[01:54:58] <joepublic> neither are FE nor 15 printable.
• 260[01:55:02] <greatgatsby> 0xF is the largest single hex character
• 261[01:56:05] <greatgatsby> the key doesn't have to be printable
• 262[01:56:11] <rbernhard> i did write that the hex keys i pastes here was just and example (since i do not want to paste the real key).
• 263[01:56:19] <greatgatsby> of course
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• 265[01:56:27] <joepublic> that's my point. not a great path towards enlightenment.
• 266[01:56:34] <ratrace> rbernhard: but I'm beginning to understand your question here. You seem to have the hexadecimal representation of the key, and then so you need to convert it back into plain binary, for whatever aes function you're using to decrypt stuff
• 267[01:57:03] <rbernhard> Ill explain..
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• 269[01:57:14] <greatgatsby> I showed that, with unhexlify - and rbernhard said they have the IV and ciphertext
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• 271[01:57:26] <greatgatsby> so follow the python example I posted
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• 283[01:59:59] <greatgatsby> ok - I've got cyberchef up too if that's what you're using
• 284[02:00:13] <greatgatsby> they key can take hex, which is what you have
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• 287[02:00:57] <ratrace> openssl enc -d -aes-128-cbc -in /path/to/encrypted.file -out /path/to/decrypted.file -kfile /path/to/keyfile
• 288[02:01:05] <greatgatsby> notice the key has to be encoded in some way: hex, utf-8, base64. Those are all representations of bytes, which may or may not be printable
• 289[02:01:06] <rbernhard> Ok, i have gps trackers, and a gps server, these trackers communicate unencrypted. That works fine, Now i received gps devices (trackers) which use encrypted communication, the manufacturer gave me a document with the aes 128 protocol and the public and private keys (plus IV). Before i try to inplement the encryption in the tracker protocol i would like to test if unencryting works.
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• 293[02:01:22] <ratrace> or use whatever actual ciphertext was used, instead of -aes-128-cbc
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• 296[02:01:56] <greatgatsby> do they actually use the terms public and private keys for AES?
• 297[02:02:01] <rbernhard> yes
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• 299[02:02:27] <ratrace> rbernhard: tell them that #debian@FreeNode collectively facepalmed
• 300[02:02:28] * greatgatsby jumps out the window
• 301[02:02:33] <greatgatsby> hehehe
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• 303[02:02:59] <rbernhard> @greatgatsby can i contact you personnaly, i could use some help.
• 304[02:03:03] <greatgatsby> ok, ignoring that, you have a single key that's the decryption key?
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• 306[02:03:27] <greatgatsby> everyone in the channel is working togehter, and I'm suprised we haven't been told we're off-topic yet :-)
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• 308[02:03:49] <greatgatsby> so is there a key they say is the decryption key?
• 309[02:03:51] <greatgatsby> in hex?
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• 313[02:04:15] <greatgatsby> we'll do an example... one sec
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• 315[02:04:40] <ratrace> indeed, this has zero to do with debian if gps trackers are being used. I don't see debian running on them.
• 316[02:04:43] <rbernhard> Good, and Yes, i could share you the document without the original keys.. with explains it al..
• 317[02:05:07] <rbernhard> Sure the gps server could run on debian anyway.
• 318[02:05:53] <ratrace> rbernhard: you can use openssl, you can specify both the key and the IV with -kfile and -iv respectively
• 319[02:06:13] <ratrace> infact, you can use -K with the hex representation of it
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• 323[02:08:17] <rbernhard> i tried to do it here. replaced-url
• 324[02:08:43] <rbernhard> encryption / encoding
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• 327[02:10:17] <greatgatsby> rbernhard, you should be able to decrypt this with cyberchef: replaced-url
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• 329[02:10:27] <ratrace> rebrec79: openssl enc -d -aes-128-cbc -in /path/to/encrypted.file -out /path/to/decrypted.file -K 0123456789ABCDEF -iv 0123456789ABCDEF where "0123..." are hex representations of key for -K and IV for -iv
• 330[02:10:40] <ratrace> rbernhard: ^^^^ mistabbed, sorry rebrec79
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• 334[02:11:56] <greatgatsby> rbernhard, the pasted info was encrypted in ECB mode
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• 336[02:12:00] <greatgatsby> forgot that part
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• 338[02:12:14] <greatgatsby> and just tested, and it decrypts fine
• 339[02:12:50] <rbernhard> let me check
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• 344[02:14:12] <rbernhard> i see that.. Lorem Ipsum is simply dummy
• 345[02:14:13] <greatgatsby> but notice _everything_ is bytes/binary. They key, iv, and ciphertext, are all bytes, in this case we use the hex representation for all of them
• 346[02:14:18] <greatgatsby> yep
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• 348[02:14:46] <rbernhard> now to my example..
• 349[02:14:48] <greatgatsby> so that's it, you just need to get those same components of the info you have into a format any of these tools take, and if you've got the correct info, it should decrypt
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• 352[02:16:42] <greatgatsby> if you've got big files, you probably want to use openssl as ratrace showed
• 353[02:16:51] <greatgatsby> or python
• 354[02:17:06] <ratrace> openssl can work with stdin/stdout streams too
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• 356[02:18:27] <rbernhard> your 32 characters is 16 bytes right, when i take my HEX example (a part off), 0xFE,0x15,0xFE,0xDG,0xAF, this would translate to FE15FEDGAF ?
• 357[02:18:43] <rbernhard> the first 5 bytes
• 358[02:19:01] <greatgatsby> correct
• 359[02:19:03] <rbernhard> to input as key
• 360[02:19:09] <greatgatsby> yes
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• 362[02:20:47] <rbernhard> Ok, so in my server i receive an encrypted message from the tracker, i want to decode it, i have both public key and IV and Private KEy and IV. Should i use provate key to decrypt it ?
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• 364[02:21:12] <ratrace> rbernhard: did you read ANY of what has been said before?
• 365[02:21:21] <greatgatsby> I guess? You can try both. Again, there is no such thing as private and public keys with AES
• 366[02:21:24] <ratrace> there are not public and private keys with AES
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• 368[02:21:28] <rbernhard> And how do i know which mode it is ECB of CBC for instance..
• 369[02:21:32] <greatgatsby> it's simply not part of the algorithm
• 370[02:21:37] <greatgatsby> they have to tell you
• 371[02:21:50] <greatgatsby> you have to know in advance (AFAIK)
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• 373[02:22:08] <greatgatsby> if you could tell from the ciphertext, it would actually be high entropy ciphertext
• 374[02:22:16] <greatgatsby> *wouldn't
• 375[02:22:35] <rbernhard> can you look at the document which i translated to english ?
• 376[02:22:46] <greatgatsby> I'd rather not
• 377[02:23:21] <ratrace> this is really becoming very much offtopic here; twas semi on-topic on how to do it with openssl on debian, but now it's no more.
• 378[02:23:23] <greatgatsby> not trying to be mean, I don't want to read through some documentation from a source I have no idea where this came from
• 379[02:23:26] <greatgatsby> yeah
• 380[02:23:41] <greatgatsby> ratrace, agreed, thanks for indulging
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• 385[02:25:08] <greatgatsby> rbernhard, there's #cryptography that might be much more help
• 386[02:25:33] <rbernhard> yeah nobody responded there. ive send you a pm.
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• 388[02:26:04] <greatgatsby> ok - also, it's generally bad etiquette to PM someone without asking
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• 390[02:26:14] <rbernhard> i did ask in pm sorry..
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• 393[02:27:11] <greatgatsby> I'm sorry you're frustrated, but this channel has helped all it can. You could even try in python, a VERY active channel, and they'll walk you through decrypting with python
• 394[02:28:06] <rbernhard> Im not frustrated at all
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• 396[02:28:41] <rbernhard> just hoped to find someone for more guidance..
• 397[02:28:48] <greatgatsby> fair enough
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• 399[02:30:07] <greatgatsby> if you know a little python, or even if you don't, they're extremely helpful in #python and this will be a piece of cake for them, provided they get all the info they need
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• 404[02:31:43] <rbernhard> ill ask there..
• 405[02:32:19] <rbernhard> @greatgatsby Hope to see you there at#python
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• 420[02:35:47] <rbernhard> im a noob using irc also, so i get #python-unregistered Cannot send to nick/channel when i post there..
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• 426[02:36:43] <somiaj> rbernhard: not really a #debian question, but some channels require you register a nick to join, /msg nickserv help or ask in #freenode about account registeration.
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• 429[02:37:10] <rbernhard> thank you i will
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• 467[02:58:51] <rbernhard> @greatgatsby Ill now ask my question in #python thanks you for your help here..
• 468[02:59:07] <greatgatsby> np - good luck!
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• 490[03:13:26] <yoyoguy13> hello I am having a problem with Non-ASCII character in a binary file. The error I get is a syntax one. Specifically the error was: File "/usr/local/bin/youtube-dl", line 4SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\x97' in file /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl on line 5, but no encoding declared; see replaced-url
• 491[03:13:27] <yoyoguy13> link and added some regex to the file but to no avail. I have been using this program for a while and now have this problem. Any help is appreciated thanks.
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• 505[03:22:25] <greatgatsby> How did you install it? Maybe do a reinstall: sudo curl -L replaced-url
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• 508[03:24:02] <yoyoguy13> greatgatsby i installed via apt
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• 510[03:24:39] <greatgatsby> ah, ok, ignore the curl command :-)
• 511[03:24:57] <greatgatsby> can you paste the file somewhere so we can see?
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• 516[03:27:20] <yoyoguy13> replaced-url
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• 520[03:28:06] <yoyoguy13> this is some of the file. with the addition of the third line the error is now: SyntaxError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xf0 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
• 521[03:28:18] <greatgatsby> ouch
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• 524[03:28:57] <greatgatsby> that file is completely corrupted
• 525[03:29:20] <yoyoguy13> how does the happen. THESE dam chinese ? /s
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• 528[03:30:46] <greatgatsby> try a reinstall? sudo apt-get --reinstall install youtube-dl
• 529[03:31:32] <greatgatsby> or better yet, uninstall the apt version and install the current version from git, using the curl command I posted above (or just follow the github instructions)
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• 532[03:33:38] <greatgatsby> there was just a new release yesterday: replaced-url
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• 534[03:33:54] <greatgatsby> you can install with pip too, but don't `sudo pip install`
• 535[03:34:05] <yoyoguy13> greatgatsby yeah that was the issue. I actually reinstalled via apt and ran into the same problem. Installed the "right" way (lol the normativity is proving to be justified in this case) via curl and it now works.
• 536[03:34:18] <yoyoguy13> Updating the package will be annoying now prob
• 537[03:34:45] <greatgatsby> put that in a weekly cron job. It's still _way_ newer than anything in the repos
• 538[03:35:43] <yoyoguy13> seriously what are some explanations for a currupted file. Malicious activity possibily?
• 539[03:35:54] <yoyoguy13> thanks for the suggesitons with the cton
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• 541[03:35:57] <yoyoguy13> cron*
• 542[03:36:47] <Devastator> can someone help me install mongodb 3.2 on debian buster?
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• 544[03:37:55] <greatgatsby> yoyoguy13, Can you paste the output of: apt-cache show youtube-dl|head -n 20
• 545[03:38:12] <greatgatsby> well, share via some paste server
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• 551[03:40:38] <yoyoguy13> replaced-url
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• 555[03:42:35] <greatgatsby> hmmm... wonder why we don't see the filename in your output.
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• 562[03:45:08] <yoyoguy13> thats the output of the exact command: apt-cache show youtube-dl|head -n 20
• 563[03:45:14] <greatgatsby> yoyoguy13, if you dont' mind sharing, what's your apt repo in sources.list? For universe
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• 565[03:45:32] <greatgatsby> yeah, for me that should the filename (url), but it doesn't matter, I can get there with what you pasted
• 566[03:45:52] <greatgatsby> but if you dont' mind, and you say what mirror you use, we can grab the exact .deb and extract it
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• 581[03:51:02] <greatgatsby> yoyoguy13, alternatively, on your end: apt-get install --download-only youtube-dl
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• 585[03:51:51] <yoyoguy13> @greatgatsby what would this command achieve differently for you
• 586[03:51:57] <greatgatsby> then copy /var/cache/apt/archives/youtube-dl_<someversion>.deb to a temp directory
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• 588[03:52:41] <greatgatsby> which one? I'm likely using a different mirror and different OS version, so you want to get the exact .deb you've been installing
• 589[03:53:12] <greatgatsby> if you do the --download-only, you can copy the .deb somewhere, and use `ar x <deb-file>` to extract it, then there's a data.tar.gz you can untar
• 590[03:53:23] <greatgatsby> and look at the files, are they corrupted right in the .deb?
• 591[03:53:30] <yoyoguy13> copying the deb file to a temp directory as opposed to the sources.list
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• 595[03:54:45] <greatgatsby> sure, if you want to do this all on your end without sharing your mirror/sources.list info in this channel, do the --download-only, then copy the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives, then extract the .deb with `ar x <the-deb>` and then untar the data.tar.gz
• 596[03:55:04] <greatgatsby> you should then have a usr/local/bin/youtube-dl in your temp dir
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• 598[03:55:23] <greatgatsby> if you want to do it, even as an exercise
• 599[03:55:29] <greatgatsby> or not, up to you :-)
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• 601[03:55:49] <yoyoguy13> im always willing to learn master. Give me a few mins
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• 604[03:56:30] <neilthereildeil> hey guys
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• 606[03:56:43] <neilthereildeil> im using debian 103
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• 608[03:56:46] <neilthereildeil> 10.3
• 609[03:56:57] <greatgatsby> I'm probably the least knowledgeable person in here who's answering rather than asking questions
• 610[03:56:57] <neilthereildeil> and my mic is not working (but other audio seems to be working)
• 611[03:57:14] <annadane> debian 103?!
• 612[03:57:26] <neilthereildeil> annadane: 10.3
• 613[03:57:33] <annadane> i'm just being silly, ignore me. :P
• 614[03:57:38] <neilthereildeil> i dont even see an input device in my audio settings
• 615[03:57:47] <neilthereildeil> i should see the microphone on this laptop
• 616[03:57:58] <neilthereildeil> how do i know if the problem is with alsa or pulseaudio?
• 617[03:59:26] <yoyoguy13> greatgatsby humblness is a virtue. I know all this from Kung Fu Panda of course :)
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• 619[04:00:41] <greatgatsby> :-)
• 620[04:01:05] <yoyoguy13> brb
• 621[04:01:21] <greatgatsby> won't be on IRC much longer tonight, but the --download-only, cp, ar x, tar xvf, should be straight forward
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• 632[04:07:22] <stompioids> yo #debian <3
• 633[04:07:31] <stompioids> is there a way to force a certain style for gtk2 apps only?
• 634[04:08:02] <stompioids> for instance, im using a hacked up breeze for qt5/gtk3 apps and they look fine, but when i use a gtk2 app like pidgin, the style reverts to something like raleigh
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• 637[04:10:13] <neilthereildeil> so im using pacmd
• 638[04:10:19] <neilthereildeil> i started pulseaudio
• 639[04:10:34] <neilthereildeil> list-sources sees my mic now
• 640[04:10:39] <neilthereildeil> how can i set it to be used?
• 641[04:11:12] <neilthereildeil> the audio volume settings dialog still says "No Input Devices Available"
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• 669[04:31:16] <hamzalatif7> High I am trying to run pulseaudio system wide but I am having trouble I have a service d created for the command to run it system wide however eeven though I have set the client not to autospawn i still see 2 pulseaudio pids when i enable my created service there are 3 how do i fix this?
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• 672[04:31:48] <neilthereildeil> hamzalatif7: im here because im also having trouble with my mic
• 673[04:31:53] <neilthereildeil> has it only started recently?
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• 676[04:34:09] <hamzalatif7> neilthereildeil: pulse audio works fine for me when i use it user wide however when i try to use it in the console with my screen reader it refuses to play i get an error about enable to open slave and the best way to get stuff running in the console so I have seen is to run it system wide
• 677[04:34:17] <hamzalatif7> however the guides that I have tried do not work
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• 679[04:34:38] <hamzalatif7> did i mension you the correct way
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• 681[04:35:59] <neilthereildeil> for my, my builtin laptop mic isnt working :(
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• 684[04:37:32] <hamzalatif7> Sorry to hear that I sadly can not give any advice on that since I have not used the microphone yet on my end
• 685[04:38:21] <nvz> neilthereildeil: what kind of laptop?
• 686[04:38:29] <nvz> neilthereildeil: which DE are you using?
• 687[04:38:33] <neilthereildeil> dell precision 7520
• 688[04:38:35] <neilthereildeil> KDE
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• 690[04:38:51] <neilthereildeil> realtek alc3254 card
• 691[04:39:18] <nvz> well I'm available to help you with this but I'm not familiar with either of those..
• 692[04:39:23] * nvz wakes up the KDE VM
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• 696[04:41:01] <hamzalatif7> my laptop is an hp eleetbook g2 sound works normaly when i use a desktop envieremeant
• 697[04:41:37] <hamzalatif7> debian 10 I believe it also seems to occur on older versions as well
• 698[04:42:03] <nvz> neilthereildeil: this is what I see in my kde vm.. replaced-url
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• 700[04:42:16] <hamzalatif7> I think its a universal problem since i get the same results on ubuntu
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• 702[04:42:24] <nvz> neilthereildeil: first thing I'd go over is if you see the mic there like mine shows, and if the vol is up and not muted
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• 704[04:45:31] <nvz> neilthereildeil: (aplay -l; aplay -L; amixer -c 0; amixer -c 1)|nc termbin.com 9999
• 705[04:46:00] <nvz> neilthereildeil: also check to see that pulseaudio is running, and kill it and let it restart and see if that changes anything
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• 707[04:46:50] <neilthereildeil> nvz: replaced-url
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• 709[04:47:01] <neilthereildeil> i killed pulseaudio with --kill as root
• 710[04:47:03] <neilthereildeil> and then ran --start
• 711[04:47:14] <neilthereildeil> i dont even see the device show up in my control panel
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• 715[04:47:18] <neilthereildeil> the audio control panel
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• 717[04:48:14] <nvz> neilthereildeil: that shows the mic volume at 0% for both the mic and dock mic
• 718[04:48:34] <nvz> neilthereildeil: install and open pavucontrol for a better overview of pulse and its settings would be another recommendation
• 719[04:48:47] <neilthereildeil> but at least the device should show up
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• 721[04:48:52] <neilthereildeil> even if volume is 0
• 722[04:49:05] <nvz> I can't speak for how kde's crap works I dont use it..
• 723[04:49:23] <nvz> you're using alsa and pulse though.. so lets work it from that end :P
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• 725[04:49:47] <nvz> alsa is showing the mic..
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• 727[04:50:04] <hamzalatif7> pulseaudio works fine i have no volume problems its just not working correctly when trying to run it system wide
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• 729[04:50:45] <nvz> hamzalatif7: are you logged in as same user running pulse on the console?
• 730[04:51:02] <nvz> are you even currently logged in to X with pulse running when on console?
• 731[04:52:40] <hamzalatif7> yes the sound comes out fine when i type espeak high over ssh however when i switch to root things go wrong
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• 733[04:53:33] <blkmanta> Does anyone have any unpopular opinions about snap?
• 734[04:53:45] <nvz> yes, does the same for me too.. if I run pianobar as root it can't use the sound..
• 735[04:54:02] <nvz> the question is.. why the hell are you trying to use the sound as root?
• 736[04:54:20] <neilthereildeil> anyway, ill try later
• 737[04:54:25] <neilthereildeil> thanks for the help guys
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• 740[04:55:38] <hamzalatif7> nvz> THE SCREENREADER THAT I USE IS CALLED ESPEAKUP ITS A CONSOLE SCREEN READER BUILT IN TO THE DEBIAN CURNAL I HAVE THE ESPEAKUP PACKAGE INSTALLED HOWEVER ITS NOT WORKING EEVEN THOUGH it shows as running and when i do espeak high it says that enable to run slave from alsa
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• 742[04:56:16] <hamzalatif7> Am I mensioning you the correct way?
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• 750[04:58:10] <nvz> hamzalatif7: a : , > whatever.. as long as the nick is the first thing on the line and its followed by a suitable seperator char, it'll highlight on most irc clients
• 751[04:58:51] <hamzalatif7> Ok understood thank you
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• 753[04:59:19] <nvz> hamzalatif7: so what, this espeak thing runs as a daemon as root?
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• 755[05:00:09] <hamzalatif7> nvz: yes that is correct I believe it does this so that it can read the screen effectivly
• 756[05:00:29] <nvz> hmm.. well thats not ideal that it'd be trying to play sound as root
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• 758[05:01:16] <hamzalatif7> I mean i did follow the instructions on the debian accessibility wiki on how to run it system wide and it still continues to respawn when i reboot the system in to user mode
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• 764[05:03:40] <nvz> yes well getting pulse running system wide to me is the secondary issue.. cause something accessing the sound card as root is the bigger problem imho
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• 767[05:05:40] <nvz> replaced-url
• 768[05:06:00] <nvz> thats the freedeesktop.org documentation on the matter
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• 771[05:06:36] <nvz> were it me, I'd be looking to make this app not require this..
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• 773[05:07:00] <nvz> cause running pulse system-wide just sounds like a bad f'n idea
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• 775[05:07:39] <nvz> replaced-url
• 776[05:08:07] <nvz> the issues are far more numerous than I could've even imagined
• 777[05:10:46] <nvz> seems to me espeakup is just a tool to connect espeak and speakup..
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• 779[05:10:56] <nvz> it does not in and of itself access the sound card
• 780[05:11:28] <nvz> espeak is what actually plays the sound..
• 781[05:11:44] <nvz> and you can probably configure this whole mess of software so that when espeak does its thing, its doing it as your user
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• 799[05:25:25] <hamzalatif7> nods it does not but speakup does its built in to the curnal
• 800[05:26:08] <hamzalatif7> I no I have seen that but I am the only person that uses the computer so I am honestly not worried about this
• 801[05:27:00] <hamzalatif7> replaced-url
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• 803[05:27:47] <hamzalatif7> I rather not do it but i do not seem to have much of a choice i tried to disable pulseaudio and just use alsa but it does not work
• 804[05:28:27] <hamzalatif7> but speakup is the one that does the reading
• 805[05:28:33] <nvz> its not just about security
• 806[05:28:38] <hamzalatif7> espeak is just the synth
• 807[05:28:43] <nvz> it says it will increase your memory and cpu usage among other things
• 808[05:28:48] <nvz> like ITS NOT DESIGNED TO TO THAT
• 809[05:28:50] <nvz> heh
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• 811[05:29:10] <nvz> it'd be easier to make the other app just do things the right way (tm) rather than make pulse do something its not designed to do
• 812[05:30:45] <hamzalatif7> the ap is old so one would need to recompile the curnal that ships with debian since debian allows you to install using speakup and that thankfully works
• 813[05:31:48] <hamzalatif7> ok can i disable pulseaudio and just use alsa then maybe since I would presume that alsa at least can handle it
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• 818[05:34:08] <hamzalatif7> I tried disabling alsa onthe guide that i just linked but it does not work
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• 822[05:36:03] * nvz wondered wtf a curnal was
• 823[05:36:13] <nvz> but apparently you mean kernel
• 824[05:36:32] <nvz> as in, the core of an OS
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• 827[05:39:36] <hamzalatif7> Yes sorry my bad when i spelt it wrong it sounded right with my screen reader sorry.
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• 829[05:40:53] <nvz> hmm.. guess that should've been more obvious to me that you are using a screen reader you probably have some sort of vision/hearing issue
• 830[05:41:09] <nvz> well vision I guess :P
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• 845[05:51:27] <hamzalatif7> Yes I am not able to see at all I just see light.
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• 848[05:53:34] <nvz> well, just don't go toward the light..
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• 850[05:54:11] <hamzalatif7> Lol.
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• 852[05:55:16] <nvz> I thought once about using a reader on IRC then I thought about how aweful that'd be to hear everything people say on IRC
• 853[05:55:39] <nvz> alexa, turn off the light
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• 856[05:55:42] * nvz grins
• 857[05:55:50] <hamzalatif7> but yeah from what i have hurd from other blind fokes and screen reader guides like on debian its iether best to run pulseaudio as root to get speech or to disable it and use alsa I prefered the second method but it does not seem to work for me
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• 859[05:56:50] <hamzalatif7> >nvz its not all bad if IRC chatter is quiet you can live threw it and if you use a desktop you can just alt tab away
• 860[05:57:13] <hamzalatif7> but if the console is activ then its a different matter unless of course i get screen which will allow me to switch to another terminal
• 861[05:57:18] <nvz> what I don't understand is your spelling.. why is it that you mispell words phonetically?
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• 863[05:58:02] <nvz> are you also using a speech to text?
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• 865[06:03:58] <hamzalatif7> I think you mean text to speech yes I use this
• 866[06:04:13] <nvz> no I mean speech to text, where you talk and it types for you
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• 868[06:04:49] <hamzalatif7> for example, speach and speech would sound the same so if someone typed speach i would not no that they spelt it wrong unless i red the word char by char.
• 869[06:05:00] <nvz> you said h-u-r-d instead of h-e-a-r-d and HURD is another operating system
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• 872[06:05:43] <nvz> I get why you'd hear two words the same.. what I dont get is how you can type 4 letters instead of 5 and hit a U instead of an E when they're on the opposite side of the keyboard
• 873[06:05:47] <hamzalatif7> No i tried speech to text and so far I am not having any luck with it for now i just prefer to type.
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• 878[06:06:59] <hamzalatif7> since heard and hurd sound the same.
• 879[06:07:50] <warsoul> how do i locate a file?
• 880[06:07:53] <nvz> they sound the same but they dont feel the same.. you had type u on the right side, assuming QWERTY, a single letter, instead of E and A, on the left side which is two letters
• 881[06:08:03] <hamzalatif7> if i type hurd it will sound same as the heard and pluss I am a fast typer its good but at the same time its bad since I type too fast and i get words muddled up.
• 882[06:08:10] <nvz> warsoul: with locate, or find, or such utility
• 883[06:08:12] <hamzalatif7> Will try slowing it down a little.
• 884[06:09:00] <warsoul> nvz if username is warsoul and there is a file in /bot/eggdrop/
• 885[06:09:05] <warsoul> what will be the first part
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• 889[06:10:17] <nvz> I'm not complaining. I understand what you say.. I just don't understand how you're confusing these things. If I were typing heard quickly I may accidentally hit W, R, S or some key close to the E and A.. but you somehow hit the letter U on the opposite side of the keyboard and your brain didn't tell you that you only typed 1 letter instead of 2. Thats what has me confused.
• 890[06:11:00] <nvz> warsoul: I am not really following what you're trying to do.
• 891[06:11:11] <hamzalatif7> I also touch type. My keyboards not special or anything I learned to do this when i was in school.
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• 893[06:11:25] <annadane> replaced-url
• 894[06:11:32] <warsoul> nvz i need to know the path of a file
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• 897[06:12:10] <nvz> warsoul: that doesn't clarify anything..
• 898[06:13:29] <hamzalatif7> warsoul: do you mean once its found the file, it should tell you on where the path is?
• 899[06:13:44] <hamzalatif7> Keep in mind that I am just making asumptions hear.
• 900[06:14:50] <nvz> hamzalatif7: how long have you had this vision problem if you don't mind me asking?
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• 904[06:16:01] <warsoul> yes
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• 907[06:16:45] <nvz> warsoul: you need to give a more clear example or explain this better.. dirname takes the filename off and gives you just the path.. but idk what you're doing at all
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• 910[06:19:44] <warsoul> i need to put a patch in a *.conf file
• 911[06:19:46] <warsoul> example
• 912[06:20:01] <warsoul> ./home/warsoul/bots/eggdrop/
• 913[06:20:11] <warsoul> but im not sure if thats the right one
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• 915[06:20:34] <ayekat> but that's a directory path, not a .conf file
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• 919[06:22:53] <nvz> idk, but the more this user says the less I understand what their problem is
• 920[06:23:20] <nvz> I'm not able to connect any of the lines warsoul has typed to any coherent issue
• 921[06:24:10] <nvz> not knowing which file to patch has nothing to do with locating files, their paths or anything
• 922[06:24:29] <nvz> its about knowing the software in question.. eggdrop..
• 923[06:24:54] <nvz> and as of yet, you've not asked any questions about patching something (who knows what) in eggdrop
• 924[06:25:18] <warsoul> never mind thanks
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• 989[07:27:40] <dff> hi all, i have debian installed with lvm full disk encryption. After a really bad shutdown grub will not load on boot. i created a live usb-stick and booten in rescue mode, the system is on /dev/sdb, is the boot partition /dev/sdb1 in that case? i tried installing grub to that partition but no grub on boot...
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• 999[07:34:48] <fleursdu> dff: how old is the install
• 1000[07:35:13] <fleursdu> what instructions are you following to recover
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• 1003[07:36:32] <dff> fleursdu: debian bullseye, replaced-url
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• 1005[07:36:53] <dff> though it doesnt mention anything about LVM, so im a bit lost when it comes to that part.
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• 1009[07:37:54] <dff> neither does this, replaced-url
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• 1011[07:38:48] <fleursdu> dff: your sure thats what you need to do
• 1012[07:38:49] <fleursdu> ?
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• 1014[07:39:24] <dff> im sure i need to reinstall grub
• 1015[07:39:40] <fleursdu> how so
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• 1017[07:39:51] <dff> it doesnt load on boot
• 1018[07:40:42] <fleursdu> seems like there is more to the story
• 1019[07:40:53] <fleursdu> afaik bad shutdowns should not kill grub
• 1020[07:40:59] <dff> could be, but i wouldnt know where to look.
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• 1022[07:41:08] <dff> all i can see from the boot menu is that grub is gone
• 1023[07:41:15] <dff> or missing, or not showing up
• 1024[07:41:20] <dff> however one wants to put it
• 1025[07:41:43] <fleursdu> well is it efi or legacy
• 1026[07:41:51] <dff> uefi
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• 1031[07:44:40] <dff> before the hard shutdown the console was spamming something about I/O errors.
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• 1034[07:45:16] <dff> which i assumed had to due with an iscsi connection.
• 1035[07:45:21] <fleursdu> so you did all this ? replaced-url
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• 1038[07:46:13] <dff> i used another guide, ill try that and get back to you :)
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• 1493[12:19:33] <dff> vertuxt[m]: with badblocks?
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• 1496[12:20:07] <dff> or smartclt?
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• 1498[12:21:13] <vertuxt[m]> smartctl would be a good start
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• 1502[12:24:18] <vertuxt[m]> If you have gnome, you clould also use the "Disk" utility to check it....
• 1503[12:25:14] <dff> i have gnome
• 1504[12:25:23] <dff> this system is falling apart
• 1505[12:25:31] <dff> i get this error when using apt
• 1506[12:25:33] <dff> replaced-url
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• 1508[12:26:03] <dff> i put export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin in /root/.bashrc for good measure
• 1509[12:26:09] <vertuxt[m]> dff: did the powerfail happen during installation
• 1510[12:26:35] <dff> no, it happened while i had virt-manager going connected to the drive via iscsi
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• 1513[12:27:30] <dff> the powerfail was me turning off the power to the machine, i wanted to reboot very quickly into another OS, on a different drive.
• 1514[12:27:37] <dff> so it's all my fault ofc.
• 1515[12:27:40] <dff> :D
• 1516[12:28:01] <dff> no time for orderly shutdown
• 1517[12:28:26] <vertuxt[m]> whats the result of fsck?
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• 1519[12:29:22] <dff> im using the system as we speak, so it's mounted.
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• 1521[12:29:39] <dff> and e2fsck cannot continue
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• 1523[12:30:11] <vertuxt[m]> you can mount the FS as RO
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• 1525[12:30:50] <dff> wouldnt i need to umount it?
• 1526[12:30:56] <dff> and test from another source?
• 1527[12:31:05] <vertuxt[m]> but beforehand you can run debsums -a -s
• 1528[12:31:21] <vertuxt[m]> this will check the integrity of all your debian packages
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• 1534[12:33:52] <vertuxt[m]> It depends on your System if this will work. Theoretically you can fore an remount to ro (this is also the default if an FS error occurs) But i recommend this only if you stop gnome etc and switch to the console
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• 1539[12:37:00] <dff> RO=?
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• 1551[12:44:08] <vertuxt[m]> dff: read-only
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• 1605[13:06:11] <prologic> dpkg-statoverride changed the --force options from v1.18 to v1.19 -- What does --force do anyway? What are these sanity checks it runs? Why would I want ot use it?
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• 1620[13:13:29] <prologic> The man page says "This is necessary to override an existing override." Is this all it does?
• 1621[13:14:08] <prologic> Can't one --remove an override if things change from one version of a package to another and do the "right" thing? instead of forcing things to go through?
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• 1630[13:17:48] <dff> vertuxt[m]: im stuck on this atm.. dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
• 1631[13:18:00] <dff> it's not in /sbin
• 1632[13:18:53] <phogg> dff: for me it's in /sbin and installed by the dpkg package. I am on oldstable, though, so it could have moved.
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• 1634[13:19:04] <dff> ah
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• 1642[13:22:35] <dff> phogg: im asking in the wrong channel, im using bullseye
• 1643[13:22:41] <dff> my B
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• 1657[13:27:18] <uniqdom_> Hello, does /bin/false shell in a user is enough to prevent remote commands execution through ssh?
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• 1663[13:28:38] <greycat> Depends on whether the key has a command attached to it. If they're even using key auth.
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• 1667[13:31:05] <uniqdom_> I'm using an rsa key. What do you mean? you could attach a command to a key?
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• 1673[13:35:19] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 1727[14:07:21] <hhudo> how can a programm be started automatically after a reboot in buster ?
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• 1729[14:08:26] <greycat> Either write a systemd unit to run it, or add an entry to /etc/rc.local (shebang, chmod), or add an @reboot line in crontab.
• 1730[14:08:44] <greycat> But it's also possible that you really meant "after login", if it's an end user application.
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• 1733[14:09:43] <hhudo> greycat, no its a "service" namely the ords from oracle ( which should be started after the db is up )
• 1734[14:10:03] <greycat> ah, there's even a dependency, so go with the systemd uunit
• 1735[14:10:27] <hhudo> to start the db i used sysv-rc-conf and used runlevel 5
• 1736[14:10:38] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1737[14:10:45] <uniqdom_> greycat: Ok, that's for the server. I'm the owner of the server and I'm not attaching a command to a key (btw it is good to know that something like that exist). I'm constantly doing some tasks over ssh for some clients and I'm always struggling to get in due to firewalls. We have agreed to setup a reverse ssh tunnel. but I want to be sure that they will be able to the the tunnel but not execute any command in my server.
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• 1740[14:11:14] <hhudo> greycat can u give me some advice ?
• 1741[14:11:16] <uniqdom_> to do the tunnel*
• 1742[14:11:18] <hhudo> example ?
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• 1744[14:11:59] <greycat> hhudo: brain bleach to get rid of ALL traces of sysv init from your mind. Learn systemd.
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• 1746[14:12:29] <ratrace> hhudo: ask google and ye shall receive: replaced-url
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• 1748[14:12:48] <greycat> uniqdom_: so you're requiring the end users to use -N, or else /bin/false executes and their session closes? That might work. I haven't tried it.
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• 1751[14:13:08] <ratrace> I am .... assuming .... that's the ords thing you're talking about. I am thoroughly, utterly, absolutely, unfamiliar with oracle softwares, other than their "the db".
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• 1754[14:14:13] <hhudo> ratrace, thx, but i have no oracle-rdbms.service
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• 1756[14:14:59] <hhudo> I used a similar on centos, which is using systemd anyway, whereas in debian its a mix somehow
• 1757[14:15:30] <ratrace> hhudo: you wanted example, you got example. you can ask google for more, or ask in #systemd about particulras of teh unit file, should they be unclear from the docs.
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• 1765[14:16:10] <ratrace> hhudo: it's a "mix" only in that sysv initscripts are still supported for some cases, but wrapped by systemd sysv generators. systemd is THE pid 1 in debian, by default.
• 1766[14:16:11] <greycat> or find an oracle support channel/forum/list
• 1767[14:16:12] <hhudo> ah there is a speical channel for systemd, nice
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• 1772[14:17:07] <annadane> btw, in future please don't cross-post to both freenode and oftc
• 1773[14:17:12] <hhudo> greycat oracle forum does not support these things well
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• 1778[14:18:00] <ratrace> hhudo: the gist here is that if you're using oracle, you're paying for the support, so go ask paid support.
• 1779[14:18:08] <hhudo> the oracle db is delivered as a rpm , and if you ask, the tell you, you should use centos. I installed it now on buster
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• 1781[14:18:31] <greycat> Golly. A monstrously enormously complex proprietary software package from one of the most evil corporations in the entire world, and its support is less than stellar?! Who would have ever guessed.
• 1782[14:18:51] <greycat> Maybe you should run CentOS, then.
• 1783[14:18:52] <ratrace> greycat: it's stellar alright. the prices are ASTRONOMICAL.
• 1784[14:19:01] <ratrace> thank you, thank you. *bows*
• 1785[14:19:46] <annadane> i'll fire you into the sun
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• 1787[14:20:23] <greycat> Seriously, though... when you go with something like Oracle, you choose the hardware and operating system to suit the product. Not the other way around.
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• 1791[14:21:26] <greycat> That way, when something goes wrong, and you call their support line, and they ask you what version of CentOS you're using, you can show them how all of the ducks are lined up just as they should be.
• 1792[14:22:08] <ratrace> yeah and otherwise you give them what they want: a way out from having to support you.
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• 1795[14:22:31] <ratrace> "Oh, gee, sorry, we don't support anything other than CentOS. Thanks for calling though."
• 1796[14:22:54] <ratrace> (if at all... I think it's only "Oracle Unbreakable Linux" for them)
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• 1813[14:30:53] <hhudo> okay I'll have a look at paolos example. But I need then definitely a oracle-db.service ?
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• 1815[14:31:56] <hhudo> another problem: when trying to update from jessie to stretch I got the following message:
• 1816[14:32:17] <hhudo> /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /home/me/perl5/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi/auto/Socket/Socket.so: undefined symbol: Perl_xs_apiversion_bootcheck
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• 1819[14:33:31] <ratrace> hhudo: /home/me/perl5/... you'll have to rebuild all your custom builds against the new system perl somethign something
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• 1822[14:34:05] <ratrace> (and glibc and every other lib it's depending upon, that upgraded)
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• 1824[14:34:19] <greycat> Yeah, rebuild all local perl modules, whether they're CPAN or manual, /usr/local or /home.
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• 1833[14:42:06] <tete_> hi, i am trying to set up coturn as turnserver for my matrix-synapse server. but i am pretty lost. it starts with log-file, i can not configure it. when i set this to e.g. /var/tmp/turn.log there is no file generated. when i comment it out, there is a file in /var/tmp/systemd-private-352fb9045a84450d8a3f1fdb9353526d-coturn.service-bthaXH/tmp/turn_30604_2020-03-25.log but thats pretty ugly to have a tail -f on it
• 1834[14:42:32] <hhudo> btw, what is the recommended way to install perl modules from cpan , as root or as a normal user in the home directory ?
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• 1837[14:43:21] <greycat> tete_: sounds like you're intended to read the logs with journalctl, or possibly journalctl --user
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• 1844[14:44:53] <ratrace> tete_: or configure it to write into a /var/log/<whatever> directory permitted by the running user to write in
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• 1849[14:48:36] <tete_> ratrace, thats what i tried to with log-file=/tmp/turn.log
• 1850[14:48:41] <tete_> but it just writes nothing
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• 1853[14:48:59] <tete_> in syslog i can see that it starts and with systemctl status i see it is running, but no logs
• 1854[14:49:23] <ratrace> tete_: because of PrivateTmp directive of the service, creates a namespaced entry under /var/tmp and /tmp
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• 1856[14:49:42] <ratrace> tete_: that's why you should log where unix gods intended for logs to go, under /var/log or really just rely on teh journal
• 1857[14:50:01] <tete_> the process can not log in /var/log
• 1858[14:50:18] <ratrace> tete_: thats why I told you to create a dir the running user can write into .....
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• 1860[14:50:26] <tete_> i see
• 1861[14:50:34] <tete_> i will try that after lunch, thanks
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• 1864[14:51:45] <ratrace> tete_: /var/log/<service-name-directory-or-something>/ owned by service running user is a common pattern for logging, for those services that write their own log files (and aren't using syslog)
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• 1867[14:52:16] <tete_> yes i know, maybe i am just hungry as hell and did not think about that... i read all the time the logs from apache2, matrix-synapse etc. in their directories in /var/log
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• 1870[14:52:54] <tete_> no idea why i did not think about that to create a turn directory and log into that ;)
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• 1874[14:53:48] <ratrace> tete_: just check if your service is using ProtectSystem=strict, you'll have to allow your custom /var/log/dir via ReadWritePaths= .
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• 1876[14:54:34] <ratrace> and also, systemd directive LogsDirectory can ensure it exists
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• 1899[15:06:01] <Ojd_> morning, I was solving some issues with the headphone jack (didn't work) and somehow I screwed the desktop manager
• 1900[15:06:12] <Ojd_> now my headphones are working but I can't see my desktop (nor change the background or the display)
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• 1902[15:06:21] <Ojd_> I tried re-installing xfce from zero (change to KDE and from there delete everything and re-installed) but it didn't work
• 1903[15:06:33] <Ojd_> I also tried upgrading xfdesktop
• 1904[15:06:40] <Ojd_> any suggestion?
• 1905[15:07:22] <ratrace> Ojd_: reverse the steps you took to "solve some issues"?
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• 1910[15:08:15] <Ojd_> i run sudo alsactl init
• 1911[15:08:37] <Ojd_> also, had to install bluetooth
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• 1913[15:08:53] <Ojd_> I already tried removing the bluedevil
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• 1923[15:15:59] <ezila> Hi, any idea to isolate a process from the rest of the system? I tried with a systemd-nspawn container but it doesn't isolate
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• 1926[15:16:14] <hhudo> greycat, thx for the hint with the @reboot line in crontab, this seems to work fine
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• 1929[15:16:45] <greycat> that won't wait for the database(?) to be up first, though
• 1930[15:16:58] <greycat> maybe that matters, maybe not
• 1931[15:17:01] <hhudo> with sleep it will wait
• 1932[15:17:12] <hhudo> well its the poor-mans solution ....
• 1933[15:17:15] <greycat> Ah yes, the good old sysv approach.
• 1934[15:17:25] <greycat> "let's just throw a sleep in, it'll work 98% of the time"
• 1935[15:17:51] <greycat> add together 20 years of that, and you have sysvinit
• 1936[15:17:55] <hhudo> your /etc/rc.local suggestion is also sysv ?
• 1937[15:18:30] <greycat> ... not exactly, but it's of a similar nature (primitive tooling with no way to establish a true dependency relationship)
• 1938[15:19:04] <jm_> rc.local is for people who had trouble writing init scripts, like they have trouble with unit files now ;)
• 1939[15:19:34] <hhudo> well I'm not familiar with rc.local either ;)
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• 1941[15:20:14] <greycat> rc.local is just a shell script that gets executed at some unspecified time during the boot process. You can stick simple one-liner commands in it.
• 1942[15:20:22] <warsoul> hello
• 1943[15:20:27] <warsoul> was the command to install tcl
• 1944[15:20:31] <greycat> As long as those commands don't depend on other things being up, you should be OK.
• 1945[15:20:33] <warsoul> the latest version
• 1946[15:20:35] <warsoul> or upgrade
• 1947[15:20:35] <ezila> Hi, any idea to isolate a process from the rest of the system? I tried with a systemd-nspawn container but it doesn't isolate
• 1948[15:21:02] <greycat> warsoul: apt-get install tcl8.6
• 1949[15:21:37] <ratrace> ezila: define "isolate" then
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• 1952[15:24:22] <warsoul> greycat
• 1953[15:24:25] <warsoul> tcl8.6 is already the newest version (8.6.9+dfsg-2).
• 1954[15:24:25] <warsoul> tcl8.6 set to manually installed.
• 1955[15:24:40] <warsoul> but when i run my bot says
• 1956[15:24:44] <warsoul> Userinfo TCL v1.07 loaded
• 1957[15:24:58] <greycat> that's the version of the bot, not the version of Tcl
• 1958[15:25:09] <ezila> ratrace I mean if I start a program in the container, this shouldn't be visible in the host systemd with ps command
• 1959[15:25:20] <ezila> *host system
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• 1962[15:25:55] <greycat> ezila: sounds like you want a full-blown virtual machine
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• 1964[15:26:23] <ezila> I thought systemd-nspawn was enough for that
• 1965[15:26:46] <ezila> similarly to docker
• 1966[15:27:21] <ratrace> the host's root (real uid=0) sees them all
• 1967[15:27:46] <ratrace> pid namespaces can't see each other's pids, nor outside of their namespace
• 1968[15:28:23] <ezila> but I can see the program pid even with an unprivileged user
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• 1971[15:29:55] <ezila> well looks like I need to go more deep on it
• 1972[15:30:05] <ratrace> because you're not running in a namespace. you can mount /proc with hidepid=1 or =2 to hide non-owned processes from users
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• 1976[15:31:49] <ratrace> ezila: you have to keep in mind that "containers" are just namespaces, and used to isolate stuff _inside_ it, from the rest
• 1977[15:32:01] <ratrace> it's not a VM with completely separate memory space.
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• 1981[15:34:10] <hhudo> to maintain mesages from crontab I like to use mutt. Do I have to configure something ? I miss also the mail command ...
• 1982[15:34:30] <ratrace> install it
• 1983[15:34:41] <ratrace> the mailx package I think
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• 1990[15:35:37] <hhudo> bsd-mailx ?
• 1991[15:35:55] <ratrace> or mailutils
• 1992[15:36:02] <ezila> ratrace I see now the behaviour: the container can't see the program started from host, but the host can in any case. So if I do that mount hidepid to the host user should be enough?
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• 1995[15:37:46] <ratrace> ezila: namespaced processes can't see outside of their namespace. on the host side, hidepid mount option for /proc will prevent unpriv users from seeing processes they do not own
• 1996[15:38:11] <ratrace> careful though, it may have unintended consequences, namely with top-like programs or similar that rely on seeing all the processes
• 1997[15:38:31] <tete_> ratrace, it has PrivateTmp=yes - should i just remove that?
• 1998[15:38:50] <ratrace> tete_: no, you should have a /var/log/<somedir> owned by the running user, for logging
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• 2002[15:39:36] <tete_> i just created it, and just checked the service file if it has anything else that may cause problems
• 2003[15:40:09] <ezila> ratrace yep I just solved with it!! Thanks, a lot
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• 2007[15:41:12] <hhudo> the normal user has now no right, to write to /var/mail/ In another virtual machine , I see that /var/mail has drwxrwsr-x
• 2008[15:41:15] <tete_> ratrace, perfect, its logging now in /var/log/turn
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• 2010[15:42:09] <hhudo> what do I have to do that the normal user can have his mailbox in /var/mail or the directory /var/mail has the same right as told above ?
• 2011[15:42:19] <tete_> when i connect with telnet 3478 to that turn server, i guess i should see something in the logs? because there is nothing
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• 2013[15:42:54] <tete_> except the startup information
• 2014[15:43:16] <greycat> hhudo: /var/mail on the virtual machine sounds incredibly BROKEN and wrong.
• 2015[15:43:28] <ratrace> hhudo: ideally have an MTA or something lighter like dma that can also run local system delivery
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• 2017[15:43:58] <ratrace> tete_: sounds specific to the program itself and its config
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• 2034[15:55:46] <tete_> ok, guess i found the problem. there is an entry in /etc/default/coturn with #TURNSERVER_ENABLED=1, this must be first uncommented ... wierd
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• 2075[16:11:33] <rizlik> Hi there, I'm trying to port mklibs for an embedded project. I can't figure out what libxx_pic.a are. Are they the archive of the relocatable units of the lib. Why are they needed?
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• 2085[16:18:16] <dff> anyone that can name a wireless nic (pci) that works with out the need for non free drivers?
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• 2088[16:18:48] <ratrace> atheros?
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• 2091[16:22:23] <dff> ratrace: can you link one?
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• 2093[16:22:43] <dff> the specifications on vendor sites doesnt even way which chipsets are on their products..
• 2094[16:22:48] <dff> way=say
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• 2097[16:24:36] <jm_> dff: debian's wiki has a list but not sure how current it is -- wikie.debian.org/WiFi
• 2098[16:24:41] <jm_> wiki.d...
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• 2107[16:27:06] <dvs> dff: Even a manufacturer and model number may not be enough to say if firmware is needed or not. They may change depending on the revision as well.
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• 2111[16:28:39] <dff> this is annoying to say the least
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• 2142[16:40:11] <erle-> I got my libc6 update stuck on Sid, what can I do?
• 2143[16:40:39] <erle-> fix-broken won't work, removing it manually will cause hell
• 2144[16:40:49] <erle-> it is comlaining about ld
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• 2150[16:42:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2153[16:42:41] <han__> hi, when i try to install steam in debian 10, it says like this: replaced-url
• 2154[16:43:01] <greycat> At a guess, me not being a sid user at this time: boot from rescue media and unpack the last known good libc6 package manually. Then chroot into it and run /sbin/ldconfig, and maybe reinstall the package just to make sure all the triggers fire.
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• 2173[16:51:27] <erle-> greycat, I got my system fixed, but apt does not know
• 2174[16:51:31] <ratrace> erle-: re-read what the bot said. in full. twice. and then one more time.
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• 2176[16:51:49] <greycat> You have to use a web page to register on OFTC. I don't know the URL off hand. Somewhere on OFTC you should be able to figure it out.
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• 2266[17:34:36] <|subz3r0|> hi guys
• 2267[17:34:48] <|subz3r0|> anyone of you has fail2ban running for ssh on debian 10?
• 2268[17:35:01] <|subz3r0|> really weird, but it is not working ootb
• 2269[17:35:46] <|subz3r0|> what ive done? well the usual way since ages. jail.conf -> jail.local, set search and bantime, enable sshd (change port)
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• 2271[17:36:13] <|subz3r0|> !paste
• 2272[17:36:13] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 2275[17:37:20] <rowbee> !nopaste
• 2276[17:37:20] <dpkg> nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
• 2277[17:37:42] <|subz3r0|> replaced-url
• 2278[17:37:48] <ratrace> |subz3r0|: do you even need fail2ban when you changed the port? I have yet to see a single attempt in the past 15 years
• 2279[17:37:48] <|subz3r0|> thats the snippet of the sshd config
• 2280[17:37:52] <MyroSVK> replaced-url
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• 2282[17:38:40] <annadane> lol. that's amusing, though it should probably be kept out of a support channel when people are asking questions
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• 2285[17:38:56] <|subz3r0|> ratrace: this is like you never lock your door, because noone tried to open it in the past 15 years. even when you live in a city with high criminal impacts...
• 2286[17:39:44] <|subz3r0|> would be nice if anyone would answer... meanwhile i need to check with my wife... brb :)
• 2287[17:39:48] <ratrace> |subz3r0|: it's not. I locked my door with a very strong pubkey. if you want analogies, fail2ban is the guard outside who keeps track on who's trying to pick the lock then arrests if he sees the same person over and over again.
• 2288[17:40:24] <|subz3r0|> ratrace: this does not matter. fact is it worked before with debian 5-9. now its not.
• 2289[17:40:34] <ratrace> |subz3r0|: check if the regex is correct
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• 2291[17:41:23] <ratrace> but you've already made a lot more effort than it's worth, given that you'll have zero attempts at it. bots are programmed by people who know that people who changed ssh ports are probably not worthy of bruteforcing trouble
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• 2294[17:42:22] <ratrace> and also, distributed attempts that fail2ban is useless against. I have fail2ban on SASL bruteforces, for postfix and dovecot. out of 50k attempts in a typical day, there's < 10 IPs banned at any time, that's how distributed the attempts are.
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• 2337[17:57:22] <|subz3r0|> ratrace: a discussion about if its usefull or not is not the topic.
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• 2440[18:56:34] <esran> we build our own .deb packages. we've changed the version scheme and hence started using epoch. It looks like we shouldn't have the epoch in the file name?
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• 2473[19:09:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1553
• 2474[19:09:53] <eggbean> the geoiplookup database seems to be out of date. Is there a way to use an up to date one? I assume the debian repository does not update the database for it
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• 2478[19:11:23] <karlpinc> esran: See zless /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.txt.gz section 5.6.12.
• 2479[19:11:43] <karlpinc> esran: (Install the debian-policy package -- or go look for it at debian.org.)
• 2480[19:11:52] <esran> ta
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• 2486[19:14:55] <esran> that doesn't look like it makes any reference to the name of the physical file. debuild doesn't put it in there, and looking at packages.debian.org it doesn't either so I think we're doing the right thing :)
• 2487[19:15:11] <esran> (apart from having to use epoch because we broke our versioning schema)
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• 2491[19:17:45] <karlpinc> esran: I wasn't sure what you meant by "in the file name".
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• 2496[19:18:52] <karlpinc> esran: I'm not the one to ask, but I'd expect that you set the version and let the tools make the .deb files and they'll do the right thing.
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• 2499[19:19:49] <esran> yup. which is what happens. I think the confusion arose because someone looked at the actual files in the package cache which has the epoch in the file name there
• 2500[19:20:31] <greycat> I did a --print-uris and it's really weird. 'replaced-url
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• 2502[19:20:40] <greycat> it shows one without and one with
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• 2510[19:27:05] <|subz3r0|> eggbean: due to GDPR its not possible the usual way anymore
• 2511[19:27:29] <|subz3r0|> you have to make an account and use a tool for downloading actualy geoip db
• 2512[19:28:06] <eggbean> |subz3r0|: Ah I see. Okay thanks, I'll look into it
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• 2515[19:28:58] <|subz3r0|> replaced-url
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• 2518[19:29:42] <|subz3r0|> im also using this for my private SIEM and log mgmt
• 2519[19:29:57] <eggbean> cheerrs
• 2520[19:30:13] <|subz3r0|> but maybe you can help me
• 2521[19:30:24] <|subz3r0|> i'm facing issues with fail2ban on debian 10
• 2522[19:30:46] <eggbean> what sort of issues?
• 2523[19:30:52] <|subz3r0|> it's blocking actually nothing due to failed attempts > 2
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• 2525[19:31:23] <eggbean> which ports/protocols?
• 2526[19:31:51] <|subz3r0|> i just installed it the usual way. then cp jail.conf jail.local, edit it and enable sshd (changed port)
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• 2528[19:32:21] <|subz3r0|> then restart the daemon. I mean ive done that like for thousands servers in all the years. by now its not working anymore. dont know why
• 2529[19:32:38] <|subz3r0|> replaced-url
• 2530[19:32:42] <|subz3r0|> snippet from jail.local
• 2531[19:33:16] <|subz3r0|> - Jail list:sshd. as you can see its also enabled
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• 2534[19:33:50] <|subz3r0|> and when i do: sudo fail2ban-regex /var/log/auth.log /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/sshd.conf
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• 2536[19:34:04] <|subz3r0|> Lines: 1866 lines, 0 ignored, 127 matched, 1739 missed
• 2537[19:34:23] <eggbean> Can't you use a firewall instead? I've not used fail2ban for a long time, as my servers are behind the aws/gcloud firewalls and the ports are only open for my ip addresses - even dynamic IPs
• 2538[19:34:30] <|subz3r0|> as you can see it matches. when i try to login now with wrong key via ssh, then the matched value gets +1
• 2539[19:34:45] <hamzalatif7> High A question for the fokes at debian how does one remove pulseaudio and just use alsa I was advised not to run pulseaudio as root just to get my screenreader working
• 2540[19:34:55] <|subz3r0|> eggbean: there is already a firewall with lots off stuff. like dropping directly before routing
• 2541[19:35:01] <hamzalatif7> I have done apt-get purge pulseaudio but i get the error from alsa that says its enable to open slave
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• 2544[19:35:24] <|subz3r0|> hamzalatif7: did you reboot that machine?
• 2545[19:35:37] <|subz3r0|> sure you removed all pulseaudio?
• 2546[19:35:47] <|subz3r0|> sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio*
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• 2548[19:36:23] <hamzalatif7> Yes I rebooted it i did apt-get purge pulseaudio
• 2549[19:36:28] <eggbean> |subz3r0|: I used to use come sort of help script that got blocklists and automaically configured fail2ban, but I can't remember what it was
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• 2556[19:37:58] <|subz3r0|> hamzalatif7: pulseaudio*
• 2557[19:38:11] <greycat> the * needs to be quoted
• 2558[19:38:18] <|subz3r0|> no
• 2559[19:38:21] <|subz3r0|> it does not
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• 2561[19:38:37] <|subz3r0|> hi greycat btw :)
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• 2563[19:38:57] <greycat> If you FAIL to quote it, it CAN cause problems. If there are any matching files in the current directory, their names will be substituted in. Or if you turned on "nullglob", the entire argument will vanish.
• 2564[19:39:34] <|subz3r0|> if there any files matching in the dir, nothing will actually happen to apt-get :)
• 2565[19:39:44] <|subz3r0|> just putting out an error
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• 2567[19:39:49] <greycat> it depends on what the files ARE, now doesn't it.
• 2568[19:39:54] <|subz3r0|> but very rare circumstances
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• 2570[19:40:24] <AndreasLutro> |subz3r0|: what does `sudo fail2ban-client get sshd actions` show?
• 2571[19:40:34] <|subz3r0|> greycat: maybe you have an idea with my fail2ban issue? :)
• 2572[19:40:47] <|subz3r0|> AndreasLutro: hi. just a second
• 2573[19:41:09] <|subz3r0|> iptables-multiport
• 2574[19:41:20] <|subz3r0|> that what i would expect
• 2575[19:41:26] <|subz3r0|> 's
• 2576[19:41:50] <AndreasLutro> have you checked that iptables is installed and actually works? there might also be other programs that prevent iptables from working - ufw for example
• 2577[19:42:01] <|subz3r0|> also with older versions i saw rules directly in iptables via iptables -vnL. but now i can see only my own ruleset
• 2578[19:42:32] <AndreasLutro> checked fail2ban logs for errors that might have occurred when it tried invoking iptables?
• 2579[19:42:47] <|subz3r0|> AndreasLutro: it's almost a plain and small installtion auf debian 10. there is no ufw installed
• 2580[19:42:58] <|subz3r0|> let me try to see if my rules work. icmp should not be allowed. sec
• 2581[19:43:26] <|subz3r0|> 100% packet loss - works
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• 2583[19:43:47] <|subz3r0|> also checked fail2ban.log already. but let me try again
• 2584[19:44:16] <|subz3r0|> what ive done also is to disable sshd via standard debian config, because i thought this might be the issue. then i enabled sshd jail manually
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• 2586[19:45:48] <|subz3r0|> nope, nothing in there. also i cannot see the IP of the machine which tries the logins via wrong keyfile
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• 2588[19:46:30] <|subz3r0|> what i've also tried is to play around with "backend" like backend = auto|gamin|systemd
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• 2590[19:47:09] <|subz3r0|> but this option must be new since some versions. on older debian versions and fail2ban there was not such a setting
• 2591[19:47:18] <AndreasLutro> given the fact that fail2ban-regex seems to give the correct results, I think the action is somehow the problem. you can try increasing fail2ban's log level
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• 2594[19:48:12] <|subz3r0|> AndreasLutro: DEBUG is fine by now? or directly heavydebug?
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• 2598[19:48:56] <AndreasLutro> no idea
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• 2602[19:50:39] <|subz3r0|> nope. nothing besides: <_RawEvent cookie=0 mask=0x2 name='' wd=2 >
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• 2604[19:50:45] <|subz3r0|> even when i hammer with logins
• 2605[19:50:53] <hamzalatif7> sorry i seemed to have gotten disconnected not sure on how the web client just said disconnected.
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• 2607[19:51:08] <|subz3r0|> actually i reverted also back to standard setting with backend
• 2608[19:51:19] <|subz3r0|> hamzalatif7: no problem. i recommend using irssi as client =)
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• 2612[19:52:52] <hamzalatif7> ok thanks for the advice once i get speech running I will try this client.
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• 2614[19:53:26] <|subz3r0|> AndreasLutro: also ive checked now for python3-pyinotify. its installed
• 2615[19:53:28] <hamzalatif7> just rebooted the machine going to see if it lets me play sound now i did the advice that you mensiond which was to do apt-get purge pulseaudio*
• 2616[19:54:07] <hamzalatif7> Ok i get the same error enable to open slave.
• 2617[19:54:13] <|subz3r0|> hamzalatif7: try also alsamixer and see if all channels are enabled and the volume is not set to 0
• 2618[19:54:37] <|subz3r0|> hamzalatif7: show us complete error msg please. if its too long use pastebin or somewhat
• 2619[19:54:47] <|subz3r0|> !paste
• 2620[19:54:48] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 2625[19:58:04] <jelly> ,i thefuck
• 2626[19:58:05] <judd> Package thefuck (python, optional) in buster/amd64: spelling corrector of console commands. Version: 3.11-2.1; Size: 39.9k; Installed: 222k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2627[19:58:38] <Butt3rfly> lol
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• 2630[20:01:22] <hamzalatif7> replaced-url
• 2631[20:02:38] <|subz3r0|> jack server is not running or cannot be started
• 2632[20:02:49] <|subz3r0|> long time ago when i played around with jack
• 2633[20:03:09] <|subz3r0|> there was a good wiki article on arch
• 2634[20:03:14] <|subz3r0|> let me see
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• 2636[20:04:28] <hamzalatif7> I am onot trying to use jack server
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• 2638[20:04:37] <|subz3r0|> hamzalatif7: what are you trying to do?
• 2639[20:05:09] <|subz3r0|> hamzalatif7: replaced-url
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• 2641[20:05:35] <|subz3r0|> i really like the arch wiki. it's usually diggin more into deep as for example the ubuntuusers wiki
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• 2646[20:07:21] <hamzalatif7> I am trying to play sound from apps and also from a screen reader called speakup I have followed the instructions at replaced-url
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• 2652[20:09:56] <hamzalatif7> and yes ia gree the arch wiki is a good resource they go verry deep when explaining things
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• 2691[20:37:05] <lenio> hi
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• 2696[20:37:40] <Sherpa> hi
• 2697[20:37:47] <sney> hi
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• 2700[20:38:59] <uniqdom> hi
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• 2704[20:42:53] <johnjay> hello is the debian administrator's handbook a good way to learn about debian?
• 2705[20:43:18] <sney> yes
• 2706[20:43:39] <johnjay> ok
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• 2757[21:13:56] <b1ack0p> hi. which iso is the full installation of debian stable 32bit?
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• 2760[21:14:22] <b1ack0p> not netinstaller. i have 16gb usb stick available
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• 2762[21:14:35] <greycat> there is no such thing as a "full installation"
• 2763[21:14:48] <b1ack0p> why not?
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• 2765[21:15:07] <b1ack0p> i wanna install debian without ethernet cable plugged
• 2766[21:15:09] <ratrace> because nobody can define "full"
• 2767[21:15:10] <b1ack0p> or try it
• 2768[21:15:20] <budlight> only 3 isos to download
• 2769[21:15:29] <b1ack0p> and connect wifi as soon as i install debian
• 2770[21:15:36] <greycat> why ... on earth ... do you want to install without an ethernet cable
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• 2772[21:15:45] <greycat> what is the end goal here?
• 2773[21:15:53] <b1ack0p> greycat: because modem is not with me now.. i have only wifi
• 2774[21:16:02] <dvs> ???
• 2775[21:16:08] <b1ack0p> end goal is i cant connect internet during installation
• 2776[21:16:15] <greycat> so use the netinst-with-nonfree-firmware image and use the wifi during the install to get UPDATED PACKAGES
• 2777[21:16:17] <b1ack0p> i wanna have all installed offline
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• 2779[21:16:47] <b1ack0p> isnt there 3gb or 10gb iso which contains all necessary packs to install?
• 2780[21:16:53] <greycat> ...
• 2781[21:16:56] <b1ack0p> why i need netinstaller?
• 2782[21:16:57] <greycat> I can't. *plonk*
• 2783[21:17:20] <b1ack0p> like debian?
• 2784[21:17:25] <b1ack0p> i mean ubuntu
• 2785[21:17:40] <dvs> b1ack0p, there is an 8.5GB ISO image with the DL DVD
• 2786[21:17:57] <dvs> I think
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• 2788[21:18:54] <b1ack0p> grrr there are 3 dvds
• 2789[21:18:55] <greycat> If you're going to use the wifi IMMEDIATELY AFTER install, just use the nonfree images so you can use the wifi DURING the install, so you get SECURITY UPDATES and aren't running around with vulnerable packages for no... good... freaking... reason.
• 2790[21:18:58] <b1ack0p> why not 1 iso file?
• 2791[21:19:53] <greycat> Above and beyond that, everything they said was conceptual nonsense. There is no such thing as "a Debian install", in the sense that "image XYZ has all the packages to create A Debian Install". No such thing exists. You CHOOSE the packages to install.
• 2792[21:20:05] <greycat> Your install of Debian may have package set A, and mine has package set B.
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• 2795[21:21:23] <b1ack0p> greycat: ok i want an iso which contains necessary debian installation packages which gives me option to select desktop environments and additional non-free wifi drivers
• 2796[21:22:01] <b1ack0p> you dont compile all the packs in debian as gentoo right?
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• 2798[21:22:48] <b1ack0p> they are pretty ready
• 2799[21:23:06] <b1ack0p> not much to customize
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• 2804[21:25:28] <dvs> b1ack0p, firmware-10.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso is the closest you're going to find but it's only 3.7GB
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• 2808[21:27:24] <b1ack0p> dvs: i wanna install on my old laptop with intel wifi 2100 adapter
• 2809[21:27:31] <greycat> I imagine that's the thing he wants, and just won't admit that he wants, or understand that he wants.
• 2810[21:27:32] <b1ack0p> does it include wifi driveR?
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• 2812[21:27:46] <dvs> b1ack0p, yes, it does
• 2813[21:27:58] <b1ack0p> great then
• 2814[21:28:24] <b1ack0p> greycat: well i think i couldnt explain myself better.. i just dont wanna plug to ethernet for internet :p
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• 2816[21:28:34] <greycat> DVD #1 should contain all of the packages for the POPULAR DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT CHOICES like gnome and xfce.
• 2817[21:28:39] <dvs> but you'll use wifi for internet?
• 2818[21:28:42] <b1ack0p> to download necessary things for installation
• 2819[21:28:48] <b1ack0p> dvs: yes i want wifi
• 2820[21:28:54] <dvs> for internet?
• 2821[21:28:56] <b1ack0p> i have wifi yes
• 2822[21:28:59] <b1ack0p> yes for internet
• 2823[21:29:22] <b1ack0p> then what are DVD2-3 for?
• 2824[21:29:32] <dvs> b1ack0p, then you don't really need all those packages in the ISO.
• 2825[21:30:13] <b1ack0p> dvs: laptop is 2004 model ibm thinkpad t42
• 2826[21:30:38] <b1ack0p> i dont wanna interrupt connection during installation
• 2827[21:30:46] <b1ack0p> that s why i prefer offline installation
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• 2829[21:31:56] <b1ack0p> am i clear now? :p
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• 2831[21:32:17] <neilthereildeil> ow can i get the symbols so I can debug the bridge command on debian?
• 2832[21:32:25] <neilthereildeil> whats the best way to apporach this task?
• 2833[21:32:26] <dvs> b1ack0p, why don't you want to "interrupt" the connection while installing?
• 2834[21:32:27] <neilthereildeil> approach*
• 2835[21:32:45] <b1ack0p> dvs: since it is old laptop i dont trust its wifi connection fully
• 2836[21:32:57] <b1ack0p> it can drop in middle of installation or download
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• 2839[21:33:40] <HAMZALATIF7> Sorry guys freenode disconnected me again for some reason not sure why I am using there web chat.
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• 2841[21:33:52] <dvs> b1ack0p, so install the minimum number of packages for the install and add all the packages you want after the initial install.
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• 2843[21:34:31] <b1ack0p> dvs: DVD1 doesnt have what i need?
• 2844[21:34:56] <dvs> b1ack0p, it has the GNOME desktop if that's what you need.
• 2845[21:35:15] <oerheks> lolz, b1ack0p, i like the way you turn word around
• 2846[21:35:21] <HAMZALATIF7> a question about alsa since I am still trying to search on google and trouble shoot myself when using aplay -l to get the list of cards do i need to put the full name of the card when using the -D command to play the sound from the other card I think its using the wrong card
• 2847[21:35:55] <b1ack0p> xfce
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• 2850[21:36:18] <b1ack0p> i dont think old thinkpad can handle gnome.. last time it had xfce which was also struggling
• 2851[21:36:33] <dvs> b1ack0p, you're SOL then because I don't think that comes on that ISO
• 2852[21:36:36] <b1ack0p> then i installed win2k but i cant connect to internet.. so i need dual boot with debian
• 2853[21:36:51] <b1ack0p> oerheks: thanks :p
• 2854[21:36:59] <b1ack0p> dvs: SOL means?
• 2855[21:37:08] <dvs> b1ack0p, s**t outta luck
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• 2857[21:37:11] <tharkun> b1ack0p: How much ram do you have and what cpu?
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• 2859[21:37:44] <b1ack0p> dvs: okk maybe i better install it later via netinstaller..
• 2860[21:37:55] <b1ack0p> or try netinstaller with non-free
• 2861[21:37:55] <dvs> b1ack0p, good choice
• 2862[21:38:05] <dvs> b1ack0p, exactly
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• 2864[21:38:19] <b1ack0p> tharkun: 2004 model ibm thinkpad t42 - intel m 1.4ghz cpu - 1gb ddr ram - 60gb ide hdd
• 2865[21:38:33] <neilthereildeil> is it worth trying to get the symbols for the bridge command on debian if i wanna debug it, or should i just recompile it with debug symbols in the bin?
• 2866[21:38:47] <b1ack0p> tharkun: great machine in its time :p
• 2867[21:38:52] <b1ack0p> still great btw
• 2868[21:39:08] <b1ack0p> dvs: greycat: thanks for advices
• 2869[21:39:13] <dvs> np
• 2870[21:39:37] <tharkun> b1ack0p: 2007 dell here. You need to spend a few bucks on ram and life will be so much more easy on you.
• 2871[21:39:56] <b1ack0p> tharkun: i can upgrade upto 2gb ram only
• 2872[21:40:21] <b1ack0p> well i tried 1.5gb ram on it, and i can say i felt the difference.. but not so important
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• 2874[21:40:42] <b1ack0p> 1gb+512kb caused some other problems since they are not same ram
• 2875[21:40:53] <b1ack0p> better to put 1+1
• 2876[21:41:00] <b1ack0p> or 512+512
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• 2896[21:51:29] <tharkun> b1ack0p: Yeah, that is what I recall. Xfce will give you trouble with only 2Gb of ram. I believe it is time to make that laptop perform other tasks. Unless you are confortable using tty.
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• 2899[21:52:28] <tharkun> b1ack0p: ddr3 IIRC and they worked best in pairs or one chip alone. They did not coexists well with other chips of different size.
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• 2911[21:58:15] <b1ack0p> tharkun: it is too old to be daily drive :p i have a small old thinkpad collection.
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• 2914[21:58:32] <b1ack0p> tharkun: currently i am using thinkpad x230 - i5 with ddr3 - 8gb ram
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• 2919[21:59:33] <tharkun> lol I use to have an T440p Thinkpad, My kids are currently the real users of that machine :)
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• 2921[22:00:09] <dvs> so it's broke. ;-)
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• 2929[22:01:50] <tharkun> Anyway for you old machine there is really no way of installing a GDM since at leas 400Mb will be used by it and any GUI you use will eat up most of your ram an probably most of your swap. Since it is a curiosity you are collecting. Feel free to strip every non essential service of it so you can enjoy it.
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• 2931[22:02:18] <tharkun> :)
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• 2936[22:05:25] <|subz3r0|> okay. i give up. i tried now like every workaround. fail2ban for ssh is broken in debian 10
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• 2943[22:10:15] <jteppinette> Can someone recommend a blog software with CMS that is in buster? I am not really wanting to go the WP route...
• 2944[22:11:09] <jteppinette> I am using Hugo to build a static site right now, but my girlfriend keeps complaining that she has to send me her posts in a doc to get them updated... lol
• 2945[22:11:52] <b1ack0p> tharkun: i watched youtube on it 240p :p
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• 2960[22:19:48] <|subz3r0|> well... ive installed fail2ban in debian 9. same settings as in debian 10. its working as expected. so package in debian 10 is broken.
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• 2964[22:21:10] <annadane> ,v fail2ban
• 2965[22:21:11] <judd> Package: fail2ban on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.13-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2; stretch-backports: 0.10.2-2~bpo9+1; buster: 0.10.2-2.1; bullseye: 0.11.1-1; sid: 0.11.1-1
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• 2967[22:22:04] <|subz3r0|> where to report?
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• 2970[22:22:37] <annadane> if it truly is broken, file a bug
• 2971[22:22:38] <|subz3r0|> i spent now like 4 hours to fix that issue. im done for today
• 2972[22:23:00] <annadane> report*
• 2973[22:23:02] <|subz3r0|> annadane: fail2ban is doing exactly nothing. i configured it like 1000 times before. nothing happens
• 2974[22:23:03] <Unit193> tharkun: I have Xfce on a computer with 1G of ram, Xfce wouldn't be the issue there but a web browser.
• 2975[22:23:17] <annadane> sure, so file a bug report
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• 2977[22:23:22] <|subz3r0|> !bug
• 2978[22:23:23] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
• 2979[22:23:37] <Unit193> I use fail2ban on buster with postfix, it seems to work out.
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• 2981[22:23:56] <annadane> fail2ban is common enough that i'm surprised it just "doesn't work" in stable
• 2982[22:24:00] <annadane> that surely would've been caught
• 2983[22:24:07] <annadane> it may not be a bug
• 2984[22:24:11] <|subz3r0|> Unit193: the issue is that it does not block anything. i just need the sshd jail. recofigured just the port as usual and nothing happens
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• 2986[22:24:52] <|subz3r0|> annadane: what may it be then?
• 2987[22:25:22] <annadane> no idea; ask someone who isn't a knuckle dragging idiot like me
• 2988[22:25:26] <annadane> Unit193 is pretty smart
• 2989[22:25:29] <|subz3r0|> misconfiguration? Layer 8 Problem?
• 2990[22:25:33] <Unit193> I am?
• 2991[22:25:39] <annadane> more than me anyway
• 2992[22:25:56] <|subz3r0|> Unit193: can you try it with sshd please?
• 2993[22:26:00] <|subz3r0|> just to confirm
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• 2996[22:27:24] <|subz3r0|> plain debian 10 installation. change port of ssh daemon to xxxxx, reload sshd. install fail2ban, cp jail.conf jail.local, edit jail.local to enable sshd and change port from ssh to xxxxx
• 2997[22:27:45] <|subz3r0|> reload/restart fail2ban
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• 3000[22:28:20] <|subz3r0|> then try to connect from some other machine in your subnet to that sshd with a wrong keyfile
• 3001[22:28:21] <medivih> Hello there, I may ask help with debian9?
• 3002[22:28:31] <|subz3r0|> no, you may not
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• 3004[22:28:38] <medivih> where do I get support?
• 3005[22:28:44] <|subz3r0|> not here
• 3006[22:28:49] <|subz3r0|> we just chill and drink beer
• 3007[22:28:49] <joepublic> right here medivih
• 3008[22:28:53] <annadane> here, yes
• 3009[22:28:56] <|subz3r0|> lol :D
• 3010[22:28:59] <annadane> debian 9 questions are perfectly fine
• 3011[22:29:07] <medivih> thank you
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• 3014[22:29:55] <medivih> I was upgrade to php7.4, and now rewrite does not work anymore, was php7.0 before, and was working
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• 3016[22:30:11] <Markel> I'd like to note a bug. Installing Buster with the Live installer, if I select Manual Partitioning, after creating a partition if I click Create again without selecting "Free Space" it crashes the installer.
• 3017[22:30:33] <joepublic> medivih, you mean apache modrewrite, or something else?
• 3018[22:30:43] <medivih> yes
• 3019[22:31:24] <joepublic> does `a2enmod rewrite` help?
• 3020[22:31:41] <medivih> its already set
• 3021[22:31:53] <joepublic> oh, then by all means don't try it.
• 3022[22:31:53] <medivih> enable
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• 3024[22:32:39] <Unit193> |subz3r0|: sshd stuff should be enabled out of the box, I have keyfile only so it doesn't ban anything though.
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• 3028[22:33:18] <medivih> joepublic I've tried many things
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• 3030[22:33:37] <|subz3r0|> Unit193: yeah, but for standard port 22. change that port and use a wrong key to authenticate. maybe lower the maxtries to 2. nothing works then
• 3031[22:33:48] <Unit193> |subz3r0|: Using an alternate port, enabling password auth, and trying a couple times. I got banned.
• 3032[22:34:16] <medivih> joepublic all the google stuff, and such like /etc/apache2/sites-enable/000-default.conf with AllowOverride All, set .htaccess
• 3033[22:34:19] <Unit193> Only configuration I changed from default was to use aggressive mode to get myself banned more quickly.
• 3034[22:34:31] <|subz3r0|> Unit193: pubkey. not passphrase
• 3035[22:34:49] <medivih> joepublic but, was working before with php7, so its not apache2 conf right?
• 3036[22:34:54] <Unit193> Due to the log output in auth.log, I don't believe it bans on that.
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• 3038[22:35:19] <joepublic> please stop repeatedly saying my name. It causes a sound and a desktop notification.
• 3039[22:35:26] <medivih> sorry
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• 3043[22:36:17] <HAMZALATIF7> High just asking should i reask my question again I don't have any problem waiting its just i saw the channel activ
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• 3045[22:36:23] <joepublic> thanks. last time modrewrite stopped working for me, a2enmod rewrite plus a restart of apache cleared it up. Sorry, that's all I got for you.
• 3046[22:37:08] <medivih> I've already done all those things
• 3047[22:37:19] <medivih> maybe reinstall apache?
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• 3071[22:49:37] <tds> medivih: what version of debian is this on, how did you install php7.4?
• 3072[22:50:00] <medivih> tds, its debian 9
• 3073[22:50:14] <tds> well 7.4 definitely isn't in the debian repos
• 3074[22:50:44] <annadane> even debian 10 only has 7.3
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• 3078[22:53:16] <medivih> so , how do I install properly?
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• 3081[22:53:55] <medivih> I've downgraded to 7.3 but got same result
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• 3084[22:54:29] <medivih> should I remove all and reinstall so?
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• 3089[22:54:47] <annadane> ,v php
• 3090[22:54:48] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; bullseye: 2:7.3+69; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.4+74
• 3091[22:55:02] <tds> well, knowing where you got php7.4 from and whether that might've got you a new apache2 version would be a good start
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• 3093[22:56:25] <Unit193> Perhaps pastebinning the output of `apt-forktracer` would help, that's not installed by default.
• 3094[22:56:32] <medivih> replaced-url
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• 3100[22:58:47] <medivih> tds was this one method replaced-url
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• 3129[23:11:26] <medivih> tds sorry I was disconnectd
• 3130[23:11:59] <medivih> did you say something? I think, may I should install debian default php7 package, right?
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• 3132[23:12:53] <tds> if you're having issues with apache's mod_rewrite and you haven't upgraded apache2, I wouldn't expect changing php versions further to make a difference
• 3133[23:13:01] <tds> but i'd check what apache2 version you're on exactly first
• 3134[23:13:58] <medivih> how may I check the apache2 version?
• 3135[23:14:26] <tds> dpkg -l apache2
• 3136[23:14:26] <dpkg> No packages found matching apache2
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• 3138[23:15:25] <sponix> anyone good with GPU passthrough to a Windows 10 guest for Gaming ?
• 3139[23:15:46] <medivih> ii apache2 2.4.25-3+deb amd64 Apache HTTP Server
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• 3144[23:17:15] <tds> ,v apache2
• 3145[23:17:16] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u16; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; buster: 2.4.38-3+deb10u3; buster-security: 2.4.38-3+deb10u3; buster-backports: 2.4.41-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.4.41-5; sid: 2.4.41-5
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• 3147[23:18:04] <tds> that looks right for stretch, so seems likely it's unrelated to the versions involved - you may want to try #httpd with your apache config, or just post it here and what's misbehaving
• 3148[23:18:06] <medivih> ,v apache2?
• 3149[23:18:07] <judd> No package named 'apache2?' was found in amd64.
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• 3151[23:18:35] <joepublic> or does wordpress have a channel?
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• 3153[23:19:35] <nkuttler> joepublic: #freenode can help you with the network
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• 3162[23:21:17] <medivih> @tds you may, just say how to install apache2 and php7 at right way with debian9 philosophy?
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• 3165[23:22:04] <tds> if you need newer php, upgrading to buster gets you 7.3
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• 3167[23:22:44] <medivih> thank you
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• 3183[23:28:03] <lupulo> wow KDE plasma is really great
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• 3185[23:28:42] <dvs> I like it too
• 3186[23:28:51] <annadane> it's got some cool stuff. for me it's a little too much though
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• 3190[23:29:22] <annadane> though i'm the anti-definition of power user, so...
• 3191[23:29:41] * dvs likes to chase shiny things
• 3192[23:29:44] <bint> hi there, anybody got some time to help me with an easy task? i just set up a server and installed teamspeak server on it.. but i'm unable to connect to the teamspeak server.. i tried for hours but i think i'm missing some minor detail
• 3193[23:30:05] <bint> easiest would be that someone joins me per teamviewer and fix it right away :P
• 3194[23:30:36] <annadane> there is no technical issue. you just want to show us your collectiom of Pogs on camer
• 3195[23:30:36] <annadane> a
• 3196[23:30:39] <annadane> (kidding.)
• 3197[23:30:48] <annadane> collectiom? okay, then.
• 3198[23:32:29] <medivih> how do I remove non debian repositories?
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• 3202[23:33:51] <annadane> from the terminal, nano /etc/apt/sources.list and then just remove them
• 3203[23:33:59] <annadane> or "apt edit-sources"
• 3204[23:34:04] <annadane> (without quotes, obviously)
• 3205[23:34:50] <bint> couldn't you do that with purge aswell?
• 3206[23:35:11] <annadane> apt purge doesn't remove repositories
• 3207[23:35:17] <annadane> only packages and their configuration files
• 3208[23:35:25] <bint> oh ok
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• 3210[23:35:43] <annadane> which is why it's a good idea to generally prefer apt remove, in case you do want those packages back later
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• 3212[23:36:18] <Unit193> Note also that apt looks under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ so check there for any additional repos. There's also a chance you'll want to remove their signing keys as well.
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• 3214[23:37:05] <annadane> see? Unit193 is smarter than i am
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• 3217[23:38:02] <bint> as a windows kid.. linux is such a hassle for me
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• 3219[23:38:29] <annadane> learning something for the first time is always hard
• 3220[23:38:32] <annadane> after that it gets easier
• 3221[23:38:35] <annadane> !tell bint about newcomer
• 3222[23:38:42] <bint> i'm always getting hot and sweaty coz this command lines are so small and i have to concentrate and every error goes BING BING BING in my earphones
• 3223[23:38:54] <sponix> LOL
• 3224[23:38:57] <annadane> you can make the text size bigger. :P
• 3225[23:39:08] <bint> yes.. that would maybe help.. xD
• 3226[23:39:14] <sponix> bint: turn off the terminal "bell" in the preferences
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• 3229[23:39:48] <bint> i once was ok in linux.. could set up all kinds of ftp server, flexget to autodownload stuff etc.. but i didn't use linux for some years
• 3230[23:39:52] <Unit193> bint: If you want to edit sources without the terminal, there's also software-properties-gtk which can do that.
• 3231[23:40:01] <bint> and even back then, i'm sure my conifg was full with security holes
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