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• 18[00:03:55] <georgeowell> Heya, I just switched to a static IP on my Pi running Wheezy an now apt-get update is failing.
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• 21[00:04:09] <georgeowell> error is "-5 - No address associated with hostname"
• 22[00:04:28] <inframare> Anyone have a fix for GDM3 taking ~30 seconds *after* logging in to get to desktop?
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• 24[00:04:45] <inframare> ^ Only seems to happen on nvidia
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• 27[00:05:04] <inframare> LightDM etc working just fine.
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• 29[00:05:58] <georgeowell> Something to do with DNS I'm guessing. Anyone got any tips?
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• 32[00:06:19] <jml2> georgeowell, /etc/resolv.conf
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• 37[00:07:15] <georgeowell> jml2, the file is empty apart from commented info
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• 42[00:07:56] <markybob> georgeowell: that's the problem. add "nameserver 8.8.8.8" to it maybe. or whichever server you want
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• 46[00:09:28] <inframare> Yoiks, and gdm is starting up on multiple VTs!!
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• 48[00:09:32] <inframare> Jeez.
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• 50[00:10:59] <georgeowell> markybob, I'm reading a how to online and it's recommending adding "gateway 192.168.1.1" to /etc/network/interfaces
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• 57[00:11:36] <markybob> georgeowell: that has zero to do with dns and i can't say if it's right without knowing your network layout
• 58[00:12:00] <baum> how do you folks deal with legacy software? example: rstudio depends on libgstreamer-0.10 (which isn't in the stretch repos anymore)
• 59[00:12:02] <markybob> georgeowell: if that's your router's ip address that's what the gateway should be. if you don't know, leave it as dhcp
• 60[00:12:24] <jmcnaught> inframare: is this on Jessie? Have you checked logs/journal for what might be happening?
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• 62[00:12:45] <baum> would there be a way to "sandbox" a progarm&it's dependencies? or what's the usual way this problem is solved
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• 66[00:12:49] <nkuttler> baum: run stable
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• 69[00:13:02] <georgeowell> markybob, it's a static IP. I didn't add the gateway.
• 70[00:13:17] <markybob> georgeowell: well you need to
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• 73[00:13:50] <georgeowell> markybob, Yep, that'll be it. Thanks for the help.
• 74[00:14:26] <zinx> baum: a VM, or something like docker
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• 79[00:14:51] <baum> nkuttler: jessie doesn't support it either. let me guess, jessie isn't stable enoth either? :)
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• 86[00:16:08] <inframare> jmcnaught: on stretch, can't see anything obvious - just this long delay where nothing is logged, I must get off to bed - I'll take a better look tomorrow, lightdm is ugly! ;)
• 87[00:16:20] <nkuttler> baum: well. what does it run on?
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• 89[00:16:54] <jmcnaught> inframare: i also recommend you try asking in the stretch channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, this channel is mostly for stable support
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• 92[00:17:09] <inframare> jmcnaught: Ah righto, cheers :)
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• 96[00:19:02] <baum> zinx: hmm, guess i'll go with that thanks
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• 105[00:19:50] <baum> nkuttler: wheezy, however seems like i was wrong, jessie seems to support it too (according to replaced-url
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• 121[00:22:59] <stoned> nkuttler: hi
• 122[00:23:01] <stoned> :)
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• 125[00:24:07] <stoned> I updated from 8.2 to 8.4 today and I have no longer sound working. I have looked at volume levels, and nothing is muted. Everyting seems fine. If I reboot into windows, I get sound. But in debian I get no sound.
• 126[00:24:24] <stoned> could be a bug?
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• 132[00:26:15] <jmcnaught> stoned: does pavucontrol show any output devices? does "aplay -l" list any cards?
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• 135[00:26:37] <stoned> aplay -L has a very long list of cards including my prev. dmix config and all that
• 136[00:26:45] <stoned> would you like to see output?
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• 138[00:26:59] <stoned> I am not familiar w/ pavucontrol program
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• 141[00:27:36] <stoned> I did speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 and now I can hear static from my speakers
• 142[00:27:44] <stoned> They seem to be in the correct 5.1 config
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• 144[00:28:00] <stoned> However, in google-chrome-stable (youtube/html) I get no sound
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• 149[00:28:55] <stoned> I have no sound in smplayer either
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• 152[00:29:34] <stoned> mpv log says nothing, but good stuff: AO: [pulse] 44100Hz 5.1 6ch float etc.
• 153[00:29:38] <jml2> pacmd, set-default-sink <num>
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• 157[00:29:45] <jml2> (pulseaudio)
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• 165[00:31:19] <lorddaedra> hello) may I ask newbie question: I'm interesting in this package replaced-url
• 166[00:31:22] <stoned> jmcnaught: any ideas?
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• 169[00:32:14] <markybob> lorddaedra: read /topic about stretch support
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• 171[00:32:29] <jmcnaught> stoned: move your custom dmix config to a temp directory and try again?
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• 176[00:33:23] <markybob> stoned: i'd still try pavucontrol like jmcnaught suggested
• 177[00:34:02] <lorddaedra> markybob do you mean, I should ask in #debian-next ?
• 178[00:34:09] <markybob> lorddaedra: yes
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• 182[00:34:48] <Alpha1> ?
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• 225[00:47:17] <stoned> I also hooked up a 760 gtx right, and it has hdmi, and now in two places in pavucontrol it's listed. I'm not sure how to switch to the realtek onboard 5.1 surround thingy
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• 233[00:49:38] <stoned> In the config tab I see built in audio, and I can select analog surround 5.1 output + analog stereo
• 234[00:49:41] <stoned> let's hope this works
• 235[00:49:47] <jmcnaught> stoned: are you using Gnome? In the Gnome Settings under Sound, you can choose a device for output
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• 237[00:49:59] <stoned> nope, just X org and Xmonad
• 238[00:50:03] <stoned> and nothing more
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• 240[00:50:20] <stoned> It was working before the update, but now not. Maybe I did something
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• 243[00:51:03] <stoned> Ohh
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• 246[00:51:14] <stoned> it was fine but I had to actually click OFF on High Definition audio contorller
• 247[00:51:17] <stoned> han gon let me show
• 248[00:51:23] <teraflops> stoned: alsa or pulseaudio?
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• 250[00:51:31] <stoned> alsa and pulseaudio both
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• 253[00:51:45] <stoned> replaced-url
• 254[00:51:47] <stoned> see it
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• 256[00:51:51] <teraflops> stoned: wat
• 257[00:52:01] <teraflops> I guess you mean pulseaudio
• 258[00:52:02] <stoned> I made the last one 'off' and now I have sound
• 259[00:52:23] <stoned> No I have both. I use alsa/alsamixer etc. mostly but I have pulseaudio setup I think for all the gui things
• 260[00:52:26] <teraflops> stoned: use somthing like pavucontrol, and stop using alsamixer
• 261[00:52:40] <stoned> I just pasted a screenshot of pavucontrol man.
• 262[00:52:47] <teraflops> ah sorry I was afk
• 263[00:52:53] <stoned> I'm alrady on it man, 10 4 buddy
• 264[00:52:55] <stoned> :)
• 265[00:52:56] <teraflops> heh
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• 268[00:53:49] <stoned> Now everything works in alsamixer. OMG it's black background again. Need to patch package again and reinstall for transprency.
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• 270[00:54:48] <stoned> I also took out one more mon and now I have 3 connected to 2x dvi and 1x hdmi on this 760gtx. One gpu only, nvidia works very nicely. No need for xinerama either. and I ahve one mon remaining, which I can do DP->dvi or something. All on one gpu.
• 271[00:55:00] <stoned> But for multi gpu, xinerama is the only option really, and that hurts.
• 272[00:55:40] <teraflops> stoned: i fell bad for you xinerama sucks
• 273[00:55:45] <teraflops> feel*
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• 276[00:57:50] <jmcnaught> stoned: pulseaudio works on top of alsa, so if you adjust stuff in alsamixer you can end up confusing pulseaudio. really the only time i recommend using alsamixer is on a fresh install to see if there's some strange channel muted causing no sound
• 277[00:58:02] <teraflops> yeah
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• 283[00:59:09] <teraflops> stoned: xmonad there? glad to hear that ;)
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• 289[01:05:51] <stoned> yeah man
• 290[01:06:03] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 292[01:06:06] <stoned> From like a few months ago
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• 294[01:06:24] <stoned> 2x 60" on top, 4x 19" on bottom, 3 gpu, and 6 mons
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• 296[01:06:28] <teraflops> I love xmonad
• 297[01:06:31] <stoned> Now I have 1 gpu w/ 3 mon and 1 remaining
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• 299[01:07:17] <stoned> Man, xorg devs, it would be useful of them to seriously devote some time into multi gpu stuffs
• 300[01:07:22] <dvs> Sounds like you need a Quadra or FirePro
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• 302[01:07:33] <stoned> Yeah, I thought about that
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• 304[01:07:43] <stoned> But I also dualboot and game sometimes, not sure if you can game on a quadro etc.
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• 308[01:08:16] <stoned> So a gaming card + a quadro would work. Someone in ##hardware said as long as they use the same chipset the same driver should work to drive both gpus
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• 310[01:08:43] <stoned> But it's okay, now I have 3-4 mons and it's okay.
• 311[01:09:55] <jmcnaught> stoned: probably shouldn't complain to the xorg devs if you use the nvidia proprietary drivers :P
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• 313[01:10:40] <stoned> I'd be happy with novoo driver if it could drive multiple gpus, which it can't currently
• 314[01:10:54] <stoned> I like novoo driver. It makes cli looks nice too w/o X
• 315[01:11:02] <stoned> nvidia makes the letters too big
• 316[01:11:41] <stoned> But now it doesn't matter, b/c I have 1 gpu, so I'm guessing it would be fine to use novoo driver but I already setted up nvidia so might as well use it
• 317[01:12:03] <markybob> reading "novoo" over and over again is hurting my brain
• 318[01:12:08] <stoned> haha
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• 320[01:12:25] <stoned> well typing noveau is hurting my fingers over and over again. Crazy spelling.
• 321[01:12:30] <markybob> it's nouveau
• 322[01:12:34] <stoned> right
• 323[01:12:43] <stoned> one more vowel.
• 324[01:12:44] <jmcnaught> stoned: it's french for "new" but we're getting off-topic
• 325[01:12:55] <stoned> oh, that's cool. I didn't know that
• 326[01:13:21] * zykotick9 notes nouveau came from a spell checker suggestion for nvidia
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• 330[01:15:32] <teraflops> stoned: again xinerama is garbage and i guess you already noticed
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• 347[01:21:18] <DDR> Bit of an odd question here, but does anyone know what the (really old) flame-in-a-box picture is called? I think it looks something like this, but red: replaced-url
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• 351[01:22:57] <stoned> back, was jumpig on my bed. yeah, Xinerama is slow, but hey, at least it stiches multiple gpus into one virtual display.
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• 356[01:23:19] <stoned> The only reason to use Xinerama is if you have multiple video cards and want one combined desktop
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• 385[01:39:59] <teraflops> DDR: looks like cacafire or something like that
• 386[01:40:08] <awwal> I dont know you guys, but I get disconnected from freenode repeatedly and it takes sometimes a few minutes to reach the server and debian channels. All perfect with OCTF
• 387[01:41:12] <teraflops> awwal: freenode is having issues or at least it had yesterday
• 388[01:41:28] <markybob> they have issues often
• 389[01:41:32] <teraflops> Heh
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• 392[01:42:11] <DDR> Cool demo.
• 393[01:42:29] <teraflops> DDR: libcaca is cool
• 394[01:43:12] <awwal> ok, I get confused usually if it's my nickname or because I use ssl connection or freenode troubles. Why not just move this channel to OFTC and call it debian2
• 395[01:43:26] <awwal> xD
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• 397[01:43:58] <teraflops> awwal: who knows. But you better use sasl anyway
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• 399[01:44:59] <awwal> teraflops, probably I 'll use sasl yeah or any other alternative and see if something changes.
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• 401[01:45:23] <cmtptr> what do you guys like for auto-connecting to available (configured, of course) wireless networks? preferably something that I would manage from the cli or, even better, with /etc/network/interfaces.d style files
• 402[01:45:26] <awwal> too much passwd's every where, everytime; hard to remember them all
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• 406[01:46:11] <teraflops> Sasl is fine. It fixes rejoining and switching from unregistered to registered user
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• 410[01:46:46] <awwal> ok
• 411[01:46:59] <teraflops> cmtptr: nmtui
• 412[01:47:35] <awwal> nmtui?
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• 416[01:47:59] <teraflops> CLI curses interface for networkmanager
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• 419[01:48:04] <awwal> ,v nmtui
• 420[01:48:05] <judd> No package named 'nmtui' was found in amd64.
• 421[01:48:20] <teraflops> Handy as hell and easy to use
• 422[01:48:33] <teraflops> It's in networmanager
• 423[01:48:38] <awwal> oh, ok
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• 433[01:50:00] <cmtptr> nmtui being the network-manager cli?
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• 435[01:50:35] <cmtptr> I'll give it a try, thanks
• 436[01:50:37] <bazhang> ,v nm-cli
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• 439[01:51:09] <teraflops> cmtptr: nope. Nmcli is other thing
• 440[01:51:11] <awwal> wicd works better for me here (wifi almost all the time)
• 441[01:51:47] <hamersaw> anybody have a goto tutorial on custom kernel compilation?
• 442[01:52:05] <teraflops> There's a Debian way for doing it
• 443[01:52:06] <awwal> I always had troubles with auto-reconnect using nm. sometimes it doesn't reconenct at all
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• 554[02:58:01] <transhuman> anyone around to help with a systemd question (how to track down a named *.service?) replaced-url
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• 558[03:01:13] <ChmEarl> /lib/systemd/system
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• 560[03:01:49] <ChmEarl> /etc/systemd/system is for the addon configs
• 561[03:02:09] <ChmEarl> also known as `overrides`
• 562[03:02:14] <transhuman> thanks
• 563[03:02:26] <transhuman> so it will be a file under that path?
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• 568[03:02:59] <ChmEarl> transhuman, redhat uses /usr/lib/systemd/system ... I gave a debian path
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• 570[03:03:19] <transhuman> thanks a lot!
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• 572[03:03:52] <transhuman> my gut feeling the software was designed for redhat and debian/ubuntu was an after thought
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• 606[03:20:03] <TheRealSouthner> I wonder if this irc server is run on debian
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• 611[03:24:39] <jml2> TheReverend403, I wonder if you're even using debian!
• 612[03:24:51] <jml2> !freenode
• 613[03:24:51] <dpkg> freenode (formerly Open Projects Network) is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an IRC network, irc.freenode.net, and you can visit their web page at replaced-url
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• 674[03:59:14] <tkeith> I have a cloud server running Debian, what's the easiest way to install gnome or xfce with a desktop manager so it's like a desktop system (the cloud provider provides a VNC console & virtual display so that's not an issue)?
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• 678[03:59:41] <jml2> tkeith, task-gnome-desktop
• 679[03:59:45] <abrotman> tkeith: aptitude install xorg gnome3
• 680[03:59:57] <jml2> tkeith, you can also use "x2goserver"
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• 710[04:27:55] <awwal> gnome, not gnome3
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• 747[04:46:45] <sysx1000> hello
• 748[04:47:25] <sysx1000> how can I reinstall all packages? I tried aptitude reinstall '~i', but it shows lots of 'dependency cycle' errors
• 749[04:48:22] <sysx1000> debian wheezy
• 750[04:48:24] <abrotman> What's in your sources.list ?
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• 752[04:50:15] <sysx1000> replaced-url
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• 755[04:51:37] <sysx1000> abrotman: replaced-url
• 756[04:51:40] <abrotman> I see
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• 758[04:52:15] <abrotman> a few other methods to try
• 759[04:52:17] <abrotman> !reinstall
• 760[04:52:18] <dpkg> from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>.
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• 762[04:52:31] <abrotman> sysx1000: /msg dpkg <foo> ; if oyu want to see others
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• 768[04:54:37] <sysx1000> ok, thanks. actually, I tried lot of stuff like this, always ends up with something like 'E: Couldn't configure pre-depend dpkg:armhf for perl-base:armhf, probably a dependency cycle.'
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• 771[04:55:23] <sysx1000> if I remove perl, or whatever, from the list of packages for re-installation it gets stucked on another one, like ifupdown, etc.
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• 773[04:56:33] <sysx1000> by the way, I do not want to reinstall system. I just want to reinstall all it's packages.
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• 790[05:08:25] <sysx1000> abrotman: reinstalling packages one by one is working
• 791[05:08:55] <sysx1000> but does not working, if I try to do that at one shot with reinstall '~i'
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• 909[06:32:53] <rfvc> hello, somebody can help me with loading snmp MIBs in debian??, i follow the guides but dont work for me....
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• 922[06:39:18] <tikun> ugh... damn I'm bored
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• 926[06:40:52] <tikun> I need a project to keep me busy, I've secured my ownCloud server, optimized my web server as much as I possibly can... lol, now I don't know what else I can do to cure this boredom
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• 928[06:42:10] <markybob> !tell tikun about ot
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• 930[06:42:25] <tikun> ah, kk, my apologies
• 931[06:43:30] <glassresistor> so i was running stretch and after an upgrade running gnome would freeze up randomly after afew seconds after gdm starts, i can't figure out if it was an issue with the intel graphic card, xorg, or gnome but i decided to downgrade to jessie
• 932[06:44:09] <markybob> glassresistor: read /topic. testing/unstable support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. this is for stable
• 933[06:44:30] <glassresistor> so I pinned everything to stable and run update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade originally trying aptitude but it was taking forver so i used apt-get
• 934[06:45:02] <glassresistor> markybob: well i've downgraded to jessie now but my package state is really messed up
• 935[06:45:26] <markybob> that kind of thing isn't supported here
• 936[06:46:20] <TomTomTo1> downgrading is not supported. you have better chances doing a clean install.
• 937[06:46:26] <glassresistor> markybob: im just trying to figure out howto force it to just reinstall the base system and fix dependencies so I can reinstall everything
• 938[06:46:52] <markybob> glassresistor: you can't. you literally reinstall. clean. from scratch
• 939[06:46:56] <glassresistor> TomTomTo1: again the downgrade is done, but my deps are all messed up so i'm trying to figure out how to clen up a corrupted dep tree
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• 941[06:47:12] <glassresistor> markybob: i've done this multiple times in the past
• 942[06:47:13] <markybob> glassresistor: right.
• 943[06:47:16] <markybob> !downgrade
• 944[06:47:16] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
• 945[06:47:22] <markybob> glassresistor: you won't get support
• 946[06:47:38] <glassresistor> markybob: ok just forget this came from a downgrade
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• 948[06:47:51] <markybob> glassresistor: i can't because that's THE problem
• 949[06:47:54] <glassresistor> lets just say i have depency tree that is curropted
• 950[06:48:07] <markybob> glassresistor: you're really this dense?
• 951[06:48:11] <glassresistor> all of the packages are from jessie now
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• 959[06:49:48] <glassresistor> markybob: no im not dense im just in a situation where reinstalling is gonna take a lot more time than figuring out how i can get some packages to be removed so i can install things and have it pick the proper version
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• 961[06:50:15] <markybob> glassresistor: it really would save you a ton of time and problems. wish i could help you see that.
• 962[06:50:30] <glassresistor> markybob: thanks
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• 969[06:52:37] <TomTomTosch> I'm currently working on a project with iridos to visualize dependency graphs. it shows how complex those are: replaced-url
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• 973[06:53:37] <TomTomTosch> now imagine half of those are messed up x)
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• 976[06:55:22] <s4ndm4n> Can someone point me towards installation of Debian on UEFI system with full disk encryption? I have been trying to get around it for 4 days but no luck.
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• 978[06:56:21] <jmcnaught> s4ndm4n: have you been following the install manual? which iso image are you using? I have full disk encryption on my UEFI system (except for /boot) and it was pretty straightforward
• 979[06:56:24] <markybob> s4ndm4n: by full disk encryption do you allow for /boot to not be encrypted?
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• 981[06:58:14] <glassresistor> so the error im currently dealing with is update-rc.d missing for sane-utils and one other package
• 982[06:58:33] <glassresistor> any idea how to figure that, either force a removal of it or something
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• 985[06:59:16] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: generally it's best to use a paste site to show the command and full output of what you're doing, but since you have downgraded from stretch to jessie you do have an unsupportable system. best to backup files, reinstall.
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• 987[06:59:57] <s4ndm4n> markybob: I wanted to have /boot to be encrypted also
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• 989[07:00:22] <markybob> s4ndm4n: that's not supported by the debian installer
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• 991[07:00:41] <coventry> What's the right deb-src line for unstable? "deb-src replaced-url
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• 993[07:01:05] <s4ndm4n> On my other system (running Arch), I have separate partition for ESP (/boot/efi) and all other goes into encrypted lvm partition
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• 995[07:01:22] <s4ndm4n> Wanted to emulated something like that
• 996[07:01:24] <markybob> coventry: go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for unstable help per /topic
• 997[07:01:52] <coventry> markybob: OK, thanks.
• 998[07:02:33] <dax> coventry: drop the "main/"
• 999[07:03:05] <s4ndm4n> jmcnaught: I am using first of the three DVDs of Debian 8 to install
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• 1002[07:04:14] <coventry> dax: Oh, of course. Thanks!
• 1003[07:05:30] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: the computer has no gui just ttyl 1
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• 1006[07:05:41] <glassresistor> so i can take a picture
• 1007[07:05:41] <jmcnaught> s4ndm4n: Debian still installs grub by default. you could skip the grub installation and do something nonstandard, maybe there are instructions on the wiki. What is your concern with /boot being unencrypted?
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• 1009[07:06:24] <TomTomTosch> !tell glassresistor about pastebinit
• 1010[07:06:44] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: there's pastebinit, but honestly i think reinstall is best after what you've done. even if you get apt to be quiet about errors, you'll have weird problems and bugs lying about.
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• 1013[07:07:10] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: at the very least disclose that you've downgraded from stretch any time you're seeking support so people know that it's messed up
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• 1015[07:07:52] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: its really worth trying i'm at the end of a 6month project and really need to have this working tonight
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• 1017[07:08:39] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: heres a photo replaced-url
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• 1020[07:09:06] <glassresistor> TomTomTosch: aptitude is broken so i can't install stuff atm, thats actually what im wanting to fix
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• 1023[07:11:20] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: sorry i don't think anyone here can help. stretch and jessie are almost a year apart at this point. You could take a look at replaced-url
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• 1026[07:12:56] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: back up your files, do a "dpkg --get-selections", reinstall jessie, restore your packages and files. it's going to be more productive than trying to fix a bunch of random problems that most people have never encountered before.
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• 1033[07:17:18] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: thanks im just going to do this, im just so close at this point
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• 1036[07:18:09] <markybob> keep in mind your security will be fucked
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• 1039[07:19:30] <markybob> if this is production...oh no
• 1040[07:20:11] <glassresistor> markybob: whose?
• 1041[07:20:18] <markybob> glassresistor: yours
• 1042[07:21:08] <markybob> glassresistor: you don't seem to understand when we talk about how this breaks things. everyone is telling you to reinstall not because we're lazy. it's because you *need* to.
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• 1046[07:22:25] <glassresistor> markybob: its just my laptop not production, and yeah im gonna reinstall if i can't figure something out soon. i just couldn't figure out which plan would have fucked security
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• 1048[07:23:14] <markybob> glassresistor: testing doesn't have security to begin with. then you "downgrade". so those remaining libraries/packages never get upgraded
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• 1051[07:24:11] <glassresistor> markybob: right but i've already removed almost all of the packages and run dist-upgrade succesfully but now i can't add any packages back
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• 1054[07:24:38] <s4ndm4n> jmcnaught: Do I need separated ESP and /boot if I am going for full disk encryption?
• 1055[07:25:44] <jml2> s4ndm4n, esp is for /boot/efi
• 1056[07:26:19] <jmcnaught> s4ndm4n: i recommend trying the guided partitioning lvm with encryption in the installer. it sets up a separate /boot and an ESP. You can go with the scheme it configures, or manually adjust some things (like make a volume smaller to leave unallocated space for example)
• 1057[07:26:43] <jmcnaught> s4ndm4n: if you've worked on this for 4 days it can't hurt to try the way the installer recommends.
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• 1060[07:28:17] <s4ndm4n> jmcnaught: Okay I will give it a shot
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• 1066[07:31:18] <dax> i note that the installer method has unencrypted /boot which you mentioned earlier you don't want
• 1067[07:31:30] <dax> but yeah, if you don't actually care, i'd go with that.
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• 1078[07:36:51] <bennichols> hello, I have zero intention of "upgrading" my installation of debian from Squeeze and some jerktards have removed the repositories.
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• 1080[07:37:14] <jml2> bennichols, that distro is no longer supported
• 1081[07:37:19] <bennichols> can you please enlighten me how I may resume recieving updates or at the very lease, resume downloading software when needed
• 1082[07:37:21] <jml2> bennichols, so you're off own your own i suppose
• 1083[07:37:38] <TomTomTosch> !squeeze sources.list
• 1084[07:37:38] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1085[07:37:46] <jml2> "Debian 6 “Squeeze” until 29th of February 2016 "
• 1086[07:37:47] <bennichols> sir, the repositoroes surely wereny simply deleted because of a small group of eliteist jerks who thought they are entitled to make that decision for everyone
• 1087[07:37:50] <jml2> bennichols, replaced-url
• 1088[07:38:05] * jml2 ignores bennichols
• 1089[07:38:12] <bennichols> Im sorry but my work requires that certain software function properly, and versions of debian after 6.0 squeeze have failed to meet this requirement
• 1090[07:38:20] <dax> bennichols: see the message from dpkg.
• 1091[07:38:22] <jmcnaught> bennichols: you mean the very people that provided them to you for free in the first place?
• 1092[07:38:35] <bennichols> apparently
• 1093[07:38:52] <TomTomTosch> bennichols: update your sources.list, be happy again.
• 1094[07:39:01] <jmcnaught> bennichols: anyways, that message from dpkg will help you get software installed, but there will be no more security updates for squeeze ever again
• 1095[07:39:45] <bennichols> sir there is no /etc/apt/apt.conf in debian squeeze
• 1096[07:40:26] <TomTomTosch> create one.
• 1097[07:40:34] * msn points bennichols to RTFM
• 1098[07:40:34] <bennichols> suggest revising the instrutions
• 1099[07:40:51] <TomTomTosch> nah, it's pretty clear.
• 1100[07:41:33] <bennichols> thank you, that worked wonderfully
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• 1104[07:43:38] <unborn> ...whats wrong with the people?
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• 1106[07:44:06] <prussian> whose "the people?"
• 1107[07:44:13] <jml2> prussian, trump
• 1108[07:44:30] <prussian> hmm
• 1109[07:44:43] <prussian> trump is more than one person o.O
• 1110[07:44:52] <jmcnaught> let's drop it instead of getting off the topic of Debian support
• 1111[07:45:00] <jml2> trump is a windows operating system
• 1112[07:45:04] <jml2> eee
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• 1114[07:46:47] <bennichols> I do not like the precompiled binaries of Squid proxy that were shipped with later versions of debian, after Squeeze, as they do not correctly display or log each ACL error as previous versions had, and instead some buffoons decided simply letting the application crash with little or no indication of what caused the error, they decided that this was somehow a better deal for the end user.
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• 1116[07:48:54] <TomTomTosch> bennichols: this is a debian support channel and not a place for rants. if you find a bug in a package you can report it.
• 1117[07:49:16] <MisterGadfly> TomTomTosch: but ranting is part of the Debian Experience!
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• 1119[07:49:42] <bennichols> thank you for clarifying
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• 1136[08:01:57] <tipo> systemd violates the unix philosophy
• 1137[08:02:38] <`z> No, systemd-philosophyd says it doesn't!
• 1138[08:02:52] <jmcnaught> tipo: do you need some help with it? if you just want to talk about systemd complaints there is #debian-offtopic or ##linux
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• 1144[08:06:30] <s4ndm4n> jmcnaught: It's installed but I am getting "vg-root" not found errors? I can provide passphrase after that but is this normal?
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• 1149[08:07:42] <jmcnaught> s4ndm4n: if it works after you provide the passphrase then yes it's normal. it can't find the volume group because it's still encrypted
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• 1151[08:08:00] <s4ndm4n> jmcnaught: I see
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• 1185[08:26:45] <jim> just now I finished installing twice... but cannot find it in the boot menu
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• 1187[08:27:47] <jim> "what did I expect", it would appear in the boot menu so I could boot it... "what happened instead", it did not appear
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• 1190[08:28:35] <jmcnaught> jim: is your computer starting a GRUB from an earlier linux install?
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• 1192[08:29:32] <jim> jmcnaught, quite possibly
• 1193[08:30:42] <jim> can I tell in the grub menu that does come up, where it's installed?
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• 1195[08:31:09] <nkuttler> jim: e to edit the menu entry, and see which disk is used
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• 1197[08:31:31] <jim> which menu entry?
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• 1199[08:32:41] <jim> I'm pretty sure I can get you the grub.conf for that one and for this running one
• 1200[08:32:41] <nkuttler> jim: in grub
• 1201[08:32:53] <jim> there are several entries
• 1202[08:33:17] <jim> do you want to seen the grub.confs? if not both, which one?
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• 1205[08:33:56] <quickie> I upgrade a vm debian 7 to 8
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• 1208[08:34:18] <quickie> by changing sources.list - update, upgrade, dist-upgrade
• 1209[08:34:23] <quickie> yet I do not see any systemctl
• 1210[08:34:25] <quickie> why so?
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• 1213[08:35:11] <jim> quickie, perhaps some information would be good... are you saying you already did this upgrade?
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• 1216[08:35:30] <quickie> jim, yes, I upgraded from 7 to 8
• 1217[08:35:47] <jim> ok, and did you reboot into it?
• 1218[08:35:49] <quickie> by changing sources.list to jessie and then update | upgrade | dist-upgrade
• 1219[08:35:52] <quickie> and I rebooted
• 1220[08:36:18] <jim> ok, so your uname -r should say you're running 3.16
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• 1222[08:36:46] <quickie> # uname -a
• 1223[08:36:46] <quickie> Linux lovebud 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1225[08:37:17] <jim> ok, that looks ok...
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• 1227[08:37:26] <jim> who are you logged in as?
• 1228[08:37:49] <jim> ,find systemctl
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• 1231[08:37:52] <judd> Search for systemctl in jessie/amd64: systemd: bin/systemctl, usr/share/bash-completion/completions/systemctl, usr/share/zsh/vendor-completions/_systemctl
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• 1233[08:38:01] <Alam_Squeeze> dod you have systemd installed?
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• 1235[08:38:13] <quickie> Alam_Squeeze, but it is the duty of jessie to install it right?
• 1236[08:38:36] <jim> it's not the duty of anything to do anything...
• 1237[08:38:45] <Alam_Squeeze> NOPE, if you updated, it still keep SysV init
• 1238[08:38:46] <jim> try aptitude install systemd
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• 1240[08:38:58] <quickie> :D
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• 1242[08:39:09] <jim> err, unless you would rather have sysvinit
• 1243[08:39:16] <jim> then don't do that
• 1244[08:39:23] <quickie> but it is the first time upgrade to jessie did not install systemd
• 1245[08:39:23] <quickie> so weird for me
• 1246[08:39:39] <jim> so, what do you want?
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• 1249[08:40:15] <quickie> jim, I want systemd?
• 1250[08:40:24] <quickie> otherwise I would not upgrade only
• 1251[08:40:26] <jim> ok, so then do that
• 1252[08:40:37] <jmcnaught> the upgrade from wheezy to jessie installs systemd, you normally have to take extra steps to get sysvinit
• 1253[08:40:40] <jim> as root that is
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• 1255[08:41:11] <quickie> jim, What should I isntall now ?
• 1256[08:41:32] <jmcnaught> quickie: did you record the upgrade session in script? you can also check /var/log/apt/term.log to see what might've gone wrong
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• 1259[08:44:10] <quickie> jmcnaught, no I don't know
• 1260[08:44:16] <quickie> jmcnaught, I would check now
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• 1267[08:45:16] <jmcnaught> quickie: that's what i'm suggesting. the upgrade instructions recommend recording the session with script to make it easier to see what happened, but you can check apt's logs if you didn't do this
• 1268[08:45:41] <quickie> jmcnaught, but it did not stop at all
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• 1276[08:47:30] <jmcnaught> quickie: it's because messages go by so quickly that recording the session is recommended. any clues in the logs? did you do something with pinning and forget about it?
• 1277[08:47:32] <quickie> now what should I do? /var/log/apt/term.log looks fine, no errors in it
• 1278[08:48:11] <jim> apt-get install systemd
• 1279[08:48:27] <jmcnaught> quickie: is "systemd-sysv" installed? check with apt-cache policy
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• 1281[08:49:47] <jim> again nonresponsive... back in a bit
• 1282[08:49:56] <quickie> it is not installed
• 1283[08:49:56] <quickie> :D
• 1284[08:50:04] <quickie> systemd-sysv is not installed
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• 1286[08:50:32] <jmcnaught> quickie: that's the package that makes systemd your init
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• 1290[08:51:10] <jmcnaught> quickie: maybe check your sources.list and sources.list.d/* to see if you forgot to change something from wheezy
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• 1292[08:52:11] <quickie> jmcnaught, there is nothing inside it, and jim I installed systemd and now I have systemctl :D
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• 1295[08:52:50] <jmcnaught> quickie: nothing inside your /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d}?
• 1296[08:53:01] <quickie> jmcnaught, nothing sir not even kidding
• 1297[08:53:11] <quickie> jmcnaught, it is fresh VPS installations by provider
• 1298[08:53:23] <quickie> they gave me 7 - I upgrade to 8
• 1299[08:53:54] <jim> quickie, ok, try this (maybe it does nothing): dpkg --configure --pending
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• 1301[08:54:10] <jmcnaught> quickie: ahh... VPS templates are often crap. it's not clear to me how you can install anything if sources.list is empty
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• 1303[08:54:43] <quickie> jmcnaught, sources.list is default but sources.list.d/ Folder is empty
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• 1305[08:54:44] <quickie> wtf
• 1306[08:54:45] <quickie> :(
• 1307[08:54:51] <nyuszika7h> that is normal
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• 1309[08:55:04] <nyuszika7h> it's usually empty if you don't have custom third-party repos
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• 1311[08:55:14] <jim> maybe /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
• 1312[08:55:19] <themill> and "default" means nothing
• 1313[08:55:33] <jmcnaught> quickie: ahh.. i guess you need to be more clear to avoid confusion. can you put your sources.list on replaced-url
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• 1320[08:56:40] <quickie> jmcnaught, I just paste the sources.list from debian wiki example to this vps
• 1321[08:56:40] <quickie> nothing wrong sir
• 1322[08:56:49] <jmcnaught> quickie: also check /etc/apt/preferences (and .d) maybe your VPS provider helpfully pinned systemd-sysv so it wouldn't install by default
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• 1324[08:57:02] <quickie> jim, tried dpkg --configure --pending nothing
• 1325[08:57:23] <quickie> ok installed systemd-sysv manually
• 1326[08:57:28] <quickie> now I would see what happens
• 1327[08:57:55] <jim> ok, so all of your currently installed packages have been configured somehow. apt-get install nopaste
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• 1329[08:58:11] <jim> let us know when that's completed
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• 1336[08:59:19] <quickie> jim, complete
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• 1339[08:59:34] <ioan> hi guys
• 1340[08:59:54] <ioan> 1 question: I need to configure i3status where do I copy /etc/i3status.conf?
• 1341[09:00:02] <quickie> systemctl is working fine now
• 1342[09:00:06] <ioan> I've come from arch and the config path differ a little
• 1343[09:00:07] <jim> quickie, ok, what url do you get at the very end, when you cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste
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• 1345[09:00:24] <quickie> jim, ok
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• 1350[09:00:57] <quickie> jim, is nopaste using secure debian paste?
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• 1352[09:01:11] <jim> no idea
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• 1355[09:01:51] <jim> why, do you have sensitive data in /etc/apt/sources.list?
• 1356[09:01:56] <quickie> replaced-url
• 1357[09:01:57] <quickie> jim, ^
• 1358[09:03:20] <ioan> oh wait i3 wiki says ~/.i3status.conf
• 1359[09:03:25] <ioan> no more need for quesiton
• 1360[09:03:32] <glassresistor> ok so new problem im install debian jessie using the net install usb drive
• 1361[09:03:54] <jim> quickie, ok, apt-get install aptitude
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• 1366[09:04:42] <glassresistor> im booting the usb drive using uefi
• 1367[09:05:03] <glassresistor> the laptop doesn't have a legacy boot option for the main hard disk
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• 1370[09:05:47] <glassresistor> i just went through the full debian install which said it was going to clean the uefi stuff and add its own, i ran the full install and restarted and it says it can't find a boot medium
• 1371[09:05:53] <quickie> jim, I have aptitude
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• 1373[09:06:20] <glassresistor> is there something special have i have to do? i remember doing something but i don't remember what or how
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• 1375[09:06:33] <jim> quickie, ok,,, aptitude -d dist-upgrade, does nothing?
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• 1377[09:06:46] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: any advice on uefi boot, i've done it before but i've forgotten the trick
• 1378[09:06:55] <quickie> No packages will instaled ................
• 1379[09:06:56] <quickie> jim, ^
• 1380[09:07:06] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: do you have an ESP partition?
• 1381[09:07:14] <quickie> jim, now systemctl is working when I installed it manually, maybe it was a template thing
• 1382[09:07:56] <jim> quickie, ok, cat /etc/debian_version
• 1383[09:07:57] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: idk i followed all of the instuctions and it never brought it up
• 1384[09:07:59] <jmcnaught> quickie: my guess in an "expert" configured pinning in the VPS tempate. you could check /etc/apt/preferences
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• 1386[09:08:25] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: did you do manual partitioning, or one of the guided options?
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• 1388[09:08:36] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: i remember it saying it deleted the old one but didn't ask me about adding one
• 1389[09:08:43] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: guide encrypted lvm
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• 1391[09:09:14] <quickie> jim, ok 8.4
• 1392[09:09:17] <quickie> jmcnaught, ok wait
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• 1395[09:10:39] <jim> quickie, ok, it -seems- like your upgrade is complete
• 1396[09:11:23] <quickie> jmcnaught, there is no preferences but is prefreneces.d which is empty like sources.list.d
• 1397[09:11:23] <quickie> :D
• 1398[09:11:41] <quickie> jim, I see, why do you think systemd did not install? what could be the reason?
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• 1400[09:12:41] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: if you run "fdisk -l /dev/sda" (or whatever the drive is) it should show "Disklabel type: gpt" and a partition that is of the type "EFI System"
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• 1402[09:12:51] <jim> dunno... maybe it assumed that if you didn't have it in wheezy, you wouldn't want it in jessie
• 1403[09:13:21] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: the computer will not boot so how can i do that
• 1404[09:13:24] <jmcnaught> no, upgrades from wheezy install systemd-sysv unless to do something special
• 1405[09:13:41] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: boot the installer in rescue mode. how did you copy the installer to USB by the way?
• 1406[09:13:41] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: its and efi system though according to the bio
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• 1409[09:14:07] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: i used dd and its the netinstaller will that do rescue mode?
• 1410[09:14:14] <quickie> jmcnaught, maybe they did? Also their bandwidth cap of 10 mbit/s is gone now when I edit their resolv.conf and after upgrade it is a lot of better :D
• 1411[09:14:18] <glassresistor> im downloading a live cd now
• 1412[09:14:32] <TomTomTosch> live cd will not work with uefi.
• 1413[09:14:33] <jmcnaught> jmcnaught: the netinst image has a rescue mode
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• 1416[09:16:20] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: cool im waiting for it to boot up now thanks for all the help, sorry for being pig headed earlier i've just had downgrades work in the past if i just tried hard enough but this time your right its been too long between them
• 1417[09:16:50] <glassresistor> im just hoping the drivers i needed from strench have managed to get into jessie yet
• 1418[09:17:32] <quickie> jmcnaught, should I investigate more? or is it fine?
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• 1420[09:17:53] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: no worries. if you don't get a grub menu at all it's possible that grub wasn't installed properly. you could "/msg dpkg reinstall grub"
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• 1423[09:18:04] <glassresistor> oh fyi the dell xps 13 developer edition comes with ubuntu, which crashes on boot, and for whatever reason running debian i can't use bluetooth and randomly the screen cuts off and want come back on
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• 1426[09:18:13] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: there are newer kernels in jessie-backports
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• 1434[09:21:08] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: should i boot up in the installer environment or root of my installed system?
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• 1437[09:21:25] <glassresistor> root and grub are mounted i just assume its selecting what to load up
• 1438[09:21:52] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: the boot menu of the installer has a rescue option under advanced
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• 1443[09:25:15] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: here is a pic of the fdisk response replaced-url
• 1444[09:25:38] <glassresistor> it gave me the option to reinstall grub and put on efi removable media thing
• 1445[09:26:00] <glassresistor> should i restart or do something else while im still here
• 1446[09:26:30] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: if you weren't getting grub before, i would try reinstall grub
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• 1451[09:29:27] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: i'm headed to bed, but there are lots of others here who can help. good luck :)
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• 1459[09:35:58] <DarsVaeda> did any smb connection errors pop up lately?
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• 1483[09:50:30] <DarsVaeda> ah samba was upgraded...
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• 1486[09:52:22] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: got it working
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• 1492[09:54:37] <quickie> hey guys how do I secure my distro ?
• 1493[09:54:40] <quickie> is fail2ban good?
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• 1497[09:55:01] <quickie> do you advise to change SSH port?
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• 1500[09:56:09] <ioanm> I think I like debian a lot!
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• 1504[09:57:14] <quickie> ioanm, you thiink? so you don't actually like Debian?
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• 1506[09:57:29] <quickie> I would say Debian is freaking awesome and stable, otherwise I don't like Debian much :D
• 1507[09:57:30] <quickie> jk jk
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• 1510[09:57:58] <NiLon> use strong passwords (or no password at all), disable root login, update often
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• 1514[09:58:45] <ioanm> quickie, yeah more stable than arch, it actually works as a desktop os
• 1515[09:58:50] <ioanm> everything works so smoothly
• 1516[09:59:13] <quickie> ioanm, it works as anything, server or desktop or workstation
• 1517[09:59:17] <quickie> it is every ready OS
• 1518[09:59:20] <quickie> I would say
• 1519[09:59:28] <ioanm> quickie, and only 0.08 sys load with irc open
• 1520[09:59:31] <ioanm> (i use i3)
• 1521[09:59:39] <ioanm> (the window man, not the processor)
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• 1523[09:59:42] <quickie> ioanm, wow :D so much less,
• 1524[10:01:15] <ioanm> quickie, and I also managed to set up my PIA easily
• 1525[10:01:34] <ioanm> quickie, btw I signed up for the linux foundation :) now I have an @linux.com
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• 1527[10:02:13] <quickie> Wow, lot of things you did, are you using Debian Jessie Gnome?
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• 1529[10:02:24] <quickie> It is most amazing distro in history of linux I believe :D
• 1530[10:02:29] <ioanm> quickie, no I used the netinstall
• 1531[10:02:32] <quickie> As of now it is even updated
• 1532[10:02:36] <quickie> which DE do you use?
• 1533[10:02:43] <ioanm> to only install sys tools, and then installed just my tilling wm and xorg
• 1534[10:02:50] <ioanm> so no DE, but a WM: i3wm
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• 1536[10:02:55] <quickie> ok
• 1537[10:03:14] <ioanm> want a screenie?
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• 1539[10:03:50] <quickie> ioanm, sure, I ve never seen such a setup
• 1540[10:03:51] <quickie> :D
• 1541[10:04:09] <quickie> ioanm, but we must take it to PM now, since we are not on business here
• 1542[10:04:26] <ioanm> quickie, got it no idle chit chat here
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• 1550[10:09:29] <ioanm> quickie, i pm-ed you a screenshot, what do you think
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• 1569[10:16:23] <MirrorCity> v
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• 1574[10:17:58] <MirrorCity> /mode $me +x
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• 1577[10:19:27] <ioanm> MirrorCity, what's debhelper
• 1578[10:19:31] <ioanm> if you don't mind me asking
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• 1580[10:20:01] <TomTomTosch> a bot to help moderate the channel.
• 1581[10:20:57] <ioanm> TomTomTosch, debhelper isn't the software I used to build a deb package?
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• 1584[10:21:58] <TomTomTosch> that too.
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• 1614[10:33:35] <opensworup> help
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• 1617[10:34:50] <TomTomTosch> i need somebody!
• 1618[10:34:52] <TomTomTosch> sry.
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• 1621[10:35:39] <TomTomTosch> !tell opensworup about ask
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• 1628[10:39:25] <ioanm> TomTomTosch, maybe I can help
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• 1630[10:40:19] <berkeley> I think I can't help.
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• 1636[10:45:17] <dcpc007> hi all
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• 1638[10:45:37] <rysiek|pl> hi all
• 1639[10:46:10] <dcpc007> on debian7, apply a tomcat7 security patch change owner on all files in my /var/lib/tomcat7/conf folder !!! is it a bug ?
• 1640[10:46:17] <dcpc007> all my prod servers are down !
• 1641[10:46:25] <rysiek|pl> so, if I get a "kernel:[2131944.891866] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#8 stuck for 22s!" error msg in my dmesg and the server promptly locks up, is there *any* way this can be anything else than a hardware failure?
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• 1643[10:46:34] <rysiek|pl> running debian stable here
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• 1662[10:54:45] <nkuttler> dcpc007: which patch?
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• 1664[10:55:26] <nkuttler> dcpc007: DSA 3552-1?
• 1665[10:55:35] <dcpc007> securoty patch wia unattended-upgrade
• 1666[10:56:26] <dcpc007> apt log shows 7.0.28-4+deb7u4
• 1667[10:56:43] <dcpc007> and all other tomcat7 and similar packages
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• 1669[10:57:13] <nkuttler> dcpc007: that sounds odd.. and like you should report a serious bug
• 1670[10:57:34] <nkuttler> dcpc007: have you checked the install scripts, are you sure the package install changed permissions? did you change them yourself in the past?
• 1671[10:57:54] <dcpc007> we have jmx console for monitoring ; we run tomcat7 as tomcat7 user, and have a /var/lib/tomcat7/config/jmx.passwd changed to root:tomcat7 .... and the file MUST be in 600 ... -> no restart of tomcat7
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• 1673[10:58:21] <dcpc007> and don't change this on ALL my servers
• 1674[10:58:40] <nkuttler> dcpc007: i'm not sure what you're asking
• 1675[10:59:00] <dcpc007> want to check why this patch change my owner config
• 1676[10:59:10] <dcpc007> and break all the servers
• 1677[10:59:21] <nkuttler> dcpc007: did *you* ever change the ownership of those files?
• 1678[10:59:27] <dcpc007> all dev and prod serveurs are down
• 1679[10:59:57] <dcpc007> at the install yes, because as i told we launch tomcat with tomcat7 account and not root
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• 1682[11:00:25] <nkuttler> dcpc007: that's pretty much expected
• 1683[11:00:40] <dcpc007> and i'm sure that this specific file was at tomcat7:tomcat7 / 600
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• 1685[11:00:43] <nkuttler> dcpc007: so change the ownership again
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• 1687[11:00:55] <nkuttler> and, for the record, that's why unattended upgrades are bad
• 1688[11:01:05] <dcpc007> heu .... if the owner ship change with any patch, all servers will be done each time ?
• 1689[11:01:29] <nkuttler> debian packages install files, and installing those files comes with ownership and permissions
• 1690[11:01:48] <nkuttler> /etc might be different, changes there are preserved, but i'm not sure about ownership
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• 1692[11:02:11] <nkuttler> if a config file is in /var/ that sounds kinda buggish to me though
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• 1694[11:03:01] <dcpc007> (in fact it's a symlink on /etc/tomcat7/)
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• 1696[11:03:07] <nkuttler> btw, wouldn't tomcat just spawn an unprivileged process as root?
• 1697[11:04:07] <dcpc007> don't really know, but with first servers they had to use a specific config for that (and many many docs answer on how to launch tomcat as tomcat7 users ...)
• 1698[11:04:43] <nkuttler> well, i don't use tomcat. but really, just change the file permissions
• 1699[11:04:45] <dcpc007> info : the jmx.password file does not come from a package ... it's a manual created file needed for the jmx console
• 1700[11:04:57] <nkuttler> dcpc007: and it's ownership changed?
• 1701[11:05:02] <dcpc007> 600 is mandatory .... like the .ssh/id_rsa key
• 1702[11:05:05] <dcpc007> yes
• 1703[11:05:17] <dcpc007> all the files are at root:tomcat7 on all serveurs ...
• 1704[11:05:48] <dcpc007> and i check in history of server install, i see the chown tomcat7:tomcat7 /var/lib/tomcat7/conf/jmx.passord
• 1705[11:06:12] <dcpc007> and as soon as i restort those confoig all worked again
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• 1707[11:06:14] <Cloudwalker42> hi
• 1708[11:06:43] <nkuttler> dcpc007: that might a recursive command in an install script i guess, definitely not good
• 1709[11:06:55] <dcpc007> really annoying ... 2 years of fight to force debian on servers ... and i'll take a big bad feedback ....
• 1710[11:07:09] <dcpc007> is it possible to check thoses scripts ?
• 1711[11:07:24] <dcpc007> not familiar with details on packages
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• 1713[11:07:33] <nkuttler> dcpc007: /var/lib/dpkg/info/tomcat7*
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• 1715[11:08:02] <nkuttler> but really, turn off unattended upgrades, and test run upgrades on your dev boxes first..
• 1716[11:08:09] <dcpc007> /var/cache/apt/archives have the .deb files
• 1717[11:08:15] <dagerik> our bind server is unable to lookup a domain name with tld .network
• 1718[11:08:21] <nkuttler> dcpc007: read what i wrote
• 1719[11:08:32] <dcpc007> unattended runs for more than 15 monthes on some servers now
• 1720[11:08:48] <nkuttler> dcpc007: and? that sounds irrelevant
• 1721[11:08:48] <dcpc007> they have no test processus => no upgrade ...
• 1722[11:08:58] <nkuttler> they? it sounds like you are in charge
• 1723[11:09:02] <dcpc007> i ask unattended to pass at least the security patch
• 1724[11:09:12] <jelly> dagerik: is .network an existing public TLD now?
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• 1726[11:09:13] <dcpc007> i'm admin, not application manager
• 1727[11:09:13] <nkuttler> well. good luck anyway
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• 1730[11:09:53] <dagerik> jelly: yeah
• 1731[11:10:22] <dcpc007> for info i ask to do regular update ... more than 15 monthes and i wait ..
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• 1734[11:11:14] <flip214> Hi. A question about linux-signed (replaced-url
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• 1736[11:11:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1737[11:11:25] <flip214> will that be able to load self-compiled modules in the initrd?
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• 1750[11:17:01] <strk> !8.2 name
• 1751[11:17:13] * strk never knows which number corresponds to which name :(
• 1752[11:17:18] <strk> !jessie
• 1753[11:17:18] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
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• 1755[11:17:37] <strk> !backports
• 1756[11:17:37] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 1771[11:23:25] <jim> ,kernels
• 1772[11:23:26] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.4.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.4.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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• 1791[11:32:22] <strk> is it possible to use "sid" repos to install packages on "jessie" ?
• 1792[11:32:32] <babilen> no
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• 1796[11:34:05] <rozie> strk: yes (well, depends), but it won't be jessie anymore
• 1797[11:34:10] <rozie> strk: use backports
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• 1801[11:36:00] <strk> rozie: thanks, worked fine directly from sid (simple package, no much deps)
• 1802[11:36:17] <strk> babilen: smile to the future ! :)
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• 1804[11:37:11] <rozie> strk: take a look on backports
• 1805[11:37:55] <babilen> strk: replaced-url
• 1806[11:38:01] <babilen> Also: Which package?
• 1807[11:38:28] <babilen> You might also be interested in replaced-url
• 1808[11:38:30] <strk> replaced-url
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• 1810[11:38:41] <strk> it's for a build bot, nothing to break
• 1811[11:38:51] <strk> worked fine: replaced-url
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• 1813[11:39:15] <strk> base system is 8.4 there, added sid repo and installed libgeos from there
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• 1815[11:40:37] <themill> is the aim to build things that won't run anywhere?
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• 1829[11:49:10] <Stummi> strk, thats fine, but you don't have a debian stable anymore from now, so don't expect any support from here
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• 1833[11:50:43] <Stummi> strk, which measures did you take to avoid accidentally installing other packages from sid within a upgrade or something from now?
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• 1852[12:04:45] <Nazara> Hi all! I bodged a dist-upgrade due to an unfortunate combination of mirror dodgyness
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• 1854[12:05:00] <Nazara> and now any application that uses PNGs cannot display them.
• 1855[12:05:17] <Nazara> for example:
• 1856[12:05:18] <asd213> Hi guys. I'm running Jessie 8.4, and sometimes my screen goes blank for no reason, and it only comes back when I use my mouse. It's definatelly not DPMS. I'm getting these errors while it happens: replaced-url
• 1857[12:05:18] <Nazara> If Internal Routes Message:
• 1858[12:05:19] <Nazara> Next hop
• 1859[12:05:19] <Nazara> Delay
• 1860[12:05:20] <Nazara> Bandwidth
• 1861[12:05:20] *** Nazara was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 1863[12:05:34] <Nazara> Prefix length
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• 1865[12:05:36] <Nazara> Destination
• 1866[12:05:38] <Nazara> wrong clipboard
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• 1871[12:05:55] <Nazara> (grsync:429): Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading theme icon 'dialog-question' for stock: Unrecognized image file format
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• 1876[12:06:40] <Nazara> and Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/share/pixmaps/grsync.png'
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• 1878[12:07:18] <Nazara> gnome-session[23668]: (gnome-shell:23698): St-WARNING **: Failed to load resource:///org/gnome/shell/theme/noise-texture.png: Unrecognized image file format
• 1879[12:07:20] <Nazara> from GDM
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• 1881[12:07:47] <Nazara> I'm most of the way through apt-get install --reinstall ing all of my packages, but I'm most of the way through and it's not helping
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• 1886[12:10:12] <TheReverend403> <jml2> TheReverend403, I wonder if you're even using debian!
• 1887[12:10:16] <TheReverend403> I think I am?
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• 1896[12:12:59] <Iridos> TheReverend403, I even wonder if he addressed the nick he wanted to address!
• 1897[12:13:15] <TheReverend403> I doubt it
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• 1899[12:13:55] <TheReverend403> maybe nobody is using debian and it's all just an illusion
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• 1952[12:32:51] <stumped> hey all, could someone tell me how to start terminal on startup?
• 1953[12:33:14] <stumped> automatic styles
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• 1966[12:37:28] <stumped> yeah gnome, im actually using one of those "chip $9 pc" boards.
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• 1970[12:38:15] <jim> still ongoing, this is about when I boot from a disk that does not have a gpt partition table and trying to even see any partitions whatsoever (from grub2 shell) on the drive that does have a gpt partition table and half the drive at least is covered with partitions, yet grub does not even see them. much less have any ability to boot them. what gives?
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• 1978[12:43:00] <stumped> is there a terminal command to open a terminal?
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• 1984[12:45:52] <de-facto> stumped you might want to take a look in /usr/share/applications (e.g. for gnome-terminal.desktop). i think if you copy that into /etc/xdg/autostart it might come up on login to gnome
• 1985[12:46:19] <stumped> ok thanks :)
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• 2005[12:53:19] <veek> how do you auth using .telnetrc? DEFAULT\n root\n pass\n ? I get ?Invalid command
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• 2282[13:10:20] <de-facto> onlydeb depends on your personal taste, but the thinkpads have a good history of linux support afaik
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• 2299[13:12:49] <onlydeb> de-facto, thanks!
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• 2303[13:14:46] <flip214> Hi. A question about linux-signed (replaced-url
• 2304[13:14:47] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2305[13:14:53] <flip214> will that be able to load self-compiled modules in the initrd?
• 2306[13:15:41] <jelly> onlydeb: and that's just the T and X (and W) business series of thinkpads, not the somewhat diluted edge or L series
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• 2309[13:16:40] <jelly> ,v linux-signed
• 2310[13:16:41] <judd> No package named 'linux-signed' was found in amd64.
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• 2313[13:17:25] <flip214> ,v linux-image-4.5.0-1-amd64-signed
• 2314[13:17:27] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.5.0-1-amd64-signed on amd64 -- experimental: 4.5.1-1+1~exp2
• 2315[13:17:34] <jelly> flip214: probably better to ask #debian-next or even #debian-kernel over on irc.oftc.net
• 2316[13:17:42] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2317[13:17:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2322[13:19:25] <flip214> jelly: thanks
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• 2326[13:21:34] <onlydeb> jelly, i used t series previously (t420s) and hp. that's why i asked only t series and hp because they seems to be a bit more debian friendly when i used them, but not sure now. thank you for letting me know (i will keep that in mind). Thank you!
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• 2480[14:26:40] <PowerKiller> Hello, I'm trying to make my RPi 2 use Debian repos, a lot of stuff went smooth, but: replaced-url
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• 2486[14:28:36] <PowerKiller> !help
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• 2492[14:31:40] <altyr> PowerKiller: what distribution are you running if not debian?
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• 2494[14:33:43] <PowerKiller> Raspbian
• 2495[14:33:51] <PowerKiller> I heard on forums that it can be switched to Debian
• 2496[14:34:02] <PowerKiller> and the Debian repos can be used
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• 2498[14:34:20] <rozie> PowerKiller: no, Raspbian is not Debian
• 2499[14:34:49] <PowerKiller> I know that
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• 2501[14:34:50] <rozie> there are distributions like Bananian, and they are Debian based indeed
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• 2503[14:35:05] <PowerKiller> Raspbian is compatible with Debian, and it's nothing but a Debian with RPi 2 drivers
• 2504[14:35:18] <rozie> just several packages (kernel?) modified
• 2505[14:35:34] <rozie> no, Raspbian is not compatible with Debian. I used it.
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• 2507[14:35:41] <PowerKiller> is not?
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• 2509[14:35:48] <PowerKiller> So I should switch back to Raspbian mirrors?
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• 2511[14:36:11] <rozie> you can give it a try, but not sure if it will work
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• 2513[14:36:54] <rozie> ask raspbian team. they had everything recompiled. at least for rpi 1, due to it is "between" armel and armhf
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• 2528[14:42:26] <fruitbat> does anyone have a good source for fresh proxies
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• 2530[14:43:07] <PowerKiller> fruitbat: Off-topic???
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• 2537[14:44:14] <fruitbat> powerkiller: can you recommend another chanel that would give me a answer
• 2538[14:44:18] <tjz> hello guys
• 2539[14:44:29] <tjz> what is the apt-get module for gparted module?
• 2540[14:44:29] <fruitbat> hello
• 2541[14:44:44] <tjz> is it gpt?
• 2542[14:44:48] <tjz> is it 'gpt'?
• 2543[14:44:57] <PowerKiller> fruitbat: chat, proxy
• 2544[14:45:11] <fruitbat> cheers powerkiller
• 2545[14:45:16] <PowerKiller> ##proxy is dead BTW
• 2546[14:45:46] <tjz> getting 'parted: command not found'
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• 2549[14:46:21] <PowerKiller> tjz: sudo apt-get install gparted
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• 2551[14:46:35] <PowerKiller> and sudo apt-get install parted
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• 2556[14:47:45] <thrym> you can search for packages with 'apt-cache search <packagename>' tjz
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• 2583[14:56:36] <avar> I'm trying to find what thing in Debian keeps altering /etc/vconsole.conf when I upgrade packages. Is there some search engine to search through the post-install/configure/whatever scripts shipped with all Debian packages?
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• 2588[14:58:18] <avar> Basically the missing "grep files shipped with packages for <str>" at replaced-url
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• 2590[14:58:59] <babilen> avar: replaced-url
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• 2595[15:00:25] <avar> swet, the codesearch is exactly what I needed
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• 2627[15:12:08] <shann_> hi
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• 2636[15:16:05] <shann_> I'm starting process to became debian developper but, i think wrong road, infact i need first became debian maintainer ?
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• 2644[15:18:54] <ozette> is the live debian storage persistent?
• 2645[15:19:04] <ozette> i think i lost some files ..
• 2646[15:19:49] <codephobic> hi, I'm stuck on a permissions problem. I have installed debian in a VM and, by giving group and user ownership to replaced-url
• 2647[15:20:26] <codephobic> Unfortunately, this makes it impossible for me to write to the site1 directory, using my normal user account, via samba.
• 2648[15:20:27] <shann_> ozette, you run on Debian liveCD ?
• 2649[15:20:48] <codephobic> I've tried adding my normal user to the replaced-url
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• 2651[15:21:20] <codephobic> I've also tried adding replaced-url
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• 2653[15:21:24] <ozette> yea
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• 2655[15:21:55] <shann_> ozette, live is not persistent storage, you need save your work to USB key or other storage.
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• 2658[15:22:07] <ozette> shann_: aw maaan!
• 2659[15:22:12] <ozette> okey, thanks for telling me
• 2660[15:22:35] <ozette> i lost a demo i made last week
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• 2665[15:24:32] <shann_> codephobic, you mount samba share with fstab ?
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• 2669[15:26:02] <codephobic> shann_ yes, I've got my folders and shares working fine, both with Windows and Linux (Debian vm and Ubuntu VM).
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• 2671[15:26:43] <codephobic> The specific problem is that if I give ownership to replaced-url
• 2672[15:27:04] <codephobic> and without giving replaced-url
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• 2677[15:28:58] <shann_> replaced-url
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• 2681[15:31:13] <codephobic> shann_, I'm sharing the folder from my debian VM with my windows host
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• 2685[15:32:00] <codephobic> the fstab setup with my ubuntu vm is pretty much according to that link you gave
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• 2688[15:32:48] <codephobic> only with 0777 permission for file_mode and dir_mode
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• 2697[15:37:40] <terpstra> debian/control:Package cannot contain substitution variables, but for a shared library, the package name should match the soname. upstream defines the soname in their autoconf script to setup libtool/automake. is there any way to get debian/control to use this value? (obviously i could change debian/control by hand on each release, but it seems cleaner to have it automagically updated)
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• 2710[15:41:12] <themill> terpstra: changing soname is something that should happen rarely and needs to be handled manually for other reasons anyway. (Also, you probably want #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net)
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• 2712[15:41:53] <terpstra> themill, thanks for the redirect
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• 2732[15:48:23] <lordarkmemo> with icewesel, every time i open a webpage video, the system crash and sent me to the login screen
• 2733[15:48:26] <lordarkmemo> any ideas?
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• 2737[15:50:49] <shann_> codephobic, you have create a smb account with smbpassword ?
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• 2741[15:51:17] <codephobic> shann_ yep, did that for my user 'codephobic'
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• 2751[15:54:15] <shann_> codephobic, you can use g+s for group that replaced-url
• 2752[15:55:14] <shann_> chown replaced-url
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• 2768[15:58:04] <codephobic> shann_ thanks, I'll give that a try now!
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• 2771[15:59:04] <shann_> file or directory you created that owner codephobic and group replaced-url
• 2772[15:59:22] <codephobic> shann_, I can't create a file :(
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• 2774[15:59:48] <codephobic> I did chown -R directory and then chmod g+s directory
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• 2776[16:00:15] <codephobic> replaced-url
• 2777[16:00:27] <codephobic> sorry* chown -R replaced-url
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• 2783[16:02:22] <codephobic> shann_ THANK YOU!!!
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• 2785[16:02:44] <codephobic> my fault for being an idiot and forgetting to chmod -R 770 directory
• 2786[16:02:50] <codephobic> now it works!! :D
• 2787[16:03:05] <shann_> good :-)
• 2788[16:03:08] <codephobic> :)
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• 2798[16:06:46] <r0ck_> goody goody
• 2799[16:06:46] <BadCodSmell> When I use apt-get source on a package, I can see that there is a tarball for the original pristine source for that version, and a gziped patch that is applied to add the debian folder and so on. In some packages I noticed that some patches are applied directly to the original source in debian/patches but others appear to be applied in the patch.gz directly to the original source. By that I
• 2800[16:06:46] <BadCodSmell> mean that in both places it alters the code of the original source.
• 2801[16:06:46] <BadCodSmell> Why is this?
• 2802[16:07:16] <BadCodSmell> What is the different between the two and why are all patches to the original source not kept in debian/patches/?
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• 2811[16:12:08] <Walex> BadCodSmell: in the Debian developer docs there are various source package formats documented
• 2812[16:12:25] <Walex> BadCodSmell: the way source packages are arranged has changed through time.
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• 2821[16:14:32] <Walex> BadCodSmell: there is a nice post here with a bit of history: replaced-url
• 2822[16:14:50] <themill> BadCodSmell: there are both 4 different source package formats that are used as well as many different ways of applying the patches. the 3.0 (quilt) source package format is an effort to standardise the interface and push much of the work of to standard tools rather than doing it in d/rules
• 2823[16:14:57] <themill> !debsrc3.0
• 2824[16:14:57] <dpkg> Rather than having a long set of diffs containing the changelog and any Debian-specific patches to a package in a <diff.gz>, source packages may have a <debian.tar.gz> file instead. See replaced-url
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• 2843[16:27:03] <Janos> hey there, my bind service is crashing with a segfault, if this generatesa core dump by default? where can i find it?
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• 2848[16:29:16] <Walex> if the current directory of the daemon, which is probably '/var/lib/bind/'; but likely core files are disabled or limited in size.
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• 2851[16:30:10] <Walex> Janos: also look at: grep . /proc/sys/kernel/core*
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• 2876[16:38:04] <Ast001> Hello I have big problem with Debian 8 amd64, it freezes once in half an hour when I am using firefox or google chrome. Complete freeze of gnome 3 where I can just do ctrl alt f1 for terminal. Even when I kill chrome and do ctrl+alt+f7 I get it on screen. That never happens in Debian 7, I think i915 driver in use by graphic card is freezing but I don't know why. Do you have any advice about that ?
• 2877[16:38:21] <BadCodSmell> Thanks
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• 2880[16:39:04] <Ast001> Also when I kill gdm3 and do ctrl alt f7 I get grey screen which should be login screen but it hangs without login feelds. Very strange
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• 2885[16:40:21] <Nazara> Ast001: that's because you
• 2886[16:40:26] <Nazara> 've killed gdm3
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• 2888[16:40:34] <Nazara> starting it will allow you to login
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• 2890[16:41:06] <Ast001> ok but why gnome 3 freeze ? cinamon also freeze more less the same, while only openbox can work without freezing
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• 2892[16:41:54] <Ast001> I will try to catch dmesg when it happens next time.
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• 2921[16:51:35] <Janos> Walex, thanks, found it in /var/cache/bind
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• 2927[16:52:04] <Janos> another question, any idea what's the name of the package with bind's debugging symbols ?
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• 2950[16:57:15] <checkfx> hi --all
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• 2953[16:57:29] <checkfx> since i update and upgrade
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• 2955[16:57:54] <checkfx> my jessie cinnamon dont load the session cinnamon anymore !!
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• 2959[16:58:05] <checkfx> anyone could help whit this plz
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• 2989[17:13:09] <checkfx> anyone can help with my cinnamon session problem ?
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• 3010[17:19:42] <neglesaks> good afternoon
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• 3014[17:20:59] <neglesaks> is the debian 8.4 NON-live install DVD capable of installign a functional UEFI boot partition afresh?
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• 3016[17:22:30] <Ast001> [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] * ERROR * Hangcheck Timer Elapsed ... Render ring idle that is what dmesg -T says when my Debian 8 hangs
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• 3037[17:29:10] <Ast001> I read this replaced-url
• 3038[17:29:36] <Ast001> that tradeoff of few W for stability issues was wrong.
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• 3044[17:30:16] <Ast001> "Occasional stability issues" means system hang on every 30 minutes.
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• 3059[17:37:57] <MisterGadfly> Ast001: what's your CPU?
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• 3062[17:38:11] <Ast001> I will try to change kernel to newer version before I jump out of Window or make some more stupid move like installing Windows...
• 3063[17:38:17] <MisterGadfly> Ast001: and which kernel version?
• 3064[17:38:18] <Ast001> cpu ?
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• 3068[17:39:41] <Ast001> cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz, kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 3074[17:40:10] <MisterGadfly> Ast001: oh nevermind. Thought it was a CPU bug.
• 3075[17:40:14] <mcmillhj> What do I need to do to unlock my keychain at boot? So applications like ownCloud can autostart?
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• 3077[17:40:33] <Ast001> no CPU GPU i915 bug
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• 3079[17:40:54] <Ast001> i hope it has been resolved in kernels with higher numbers
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• 3093[17:45:50] <Ast001> Can you give me some good link how-to change kernel version in Debian 8 ?
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• 3096[17:47:21] <Ast001> I supose I need to use debian-backports for that
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• 3142[17:59:16] <Onemorenickname> Hi guys, I don't know if the question belongs to here but, when I do "apt-get install git", it tells me I already have the newest version, even though I do not
• 3143[17:59:49] <Onemorenickname> Everywhere on google, it says adding "ppa:git-core/ppa" solves it, but even when I do so, update and re-install, I still get the same problem
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• 3145[18:00:13] <Onemorenickname> Anyone got an idea ?
• 3146[18:00:51] <hamersaw> what is your git version?
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• 3149[18:01:20] <teraflops> Onemorenickname: the latest version from debian repos, right?
• 3150[18:01:38] <Onemorenickname> My git version is 1.7
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• 3152[18:01:49] <Onemorenickname> I need the newer one so I can do "git -C"
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• 3154[18:02:15] <jhutchins> ,v git
• 3155[18:02:16] <judd> Package: git on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; sid: 1:2.8.0~rc3-1; stretch: 1:2.8.0~rc3-1; experimental: 1:2.8.0~rc3+next.20160316-1
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• 3161[18:03:21] <Onemorenickname> hence the ppa
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• 3163[18:04:48] <r0ck_> ,v gnome
• 3164[18:04:49] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+4; stretch: 1:3.14+4
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• 3167[18:05:14] <r0ck_> ,v mc
• 3168[18:05:15] <judd> Package: mc on amd64 -- squeeze: 3:4.7.0.9-1; squeeze-backports: 3:4.8.3-10~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3:4.8.3-10; jessie: 3:4.8.13-3; sid: 3:4.8.15-2; stretch: 3:4.8.15-2
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• 3171[18:06:42] <jhutchins> Onemorenickname: PPAs are usually set up to work with Ubuntu, NOT Debian. You should check the webpage for that ppa and find out if it is meant to work with Debian, and if it has a newer version. Which version do you need?
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• 3173[18:07:07] <Ast001> it seems after upgrading kernel to 4 it does not hang but I will know tomorrow for sure...
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• 3177[18:07:24] <Onemorenickname> jhutchins, i need at least 1.8.5
• 3178[18:07:36] <Onemorenickname> I thought ppa set up to work with ubuntu worked with debian
• 3179[18:07:43] <Onemorenickname> (i'm new to debian, sorry)
• 3180[18:07:54] <jhutchins> Onemorenickname: wheezy-backports has 1.9
• 3181[18:08:12] <jhutchins> Onemorenickname: Jessie is on 2.1 - what release are you running?
• 3182[18:08:23] <Onemorenickname> Wheezy
• 3183[18:08:30] <jhutchins> !backports
• 3184[18:08:30] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 3186[18:08:54] <Onemorenickname> I'll check that then, thank you !
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• 3188[18:09:16] <jhutchins> Onemorenickname: Installing software built for Ubuntu but not built explicitly for Debian can make your system unusable.
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• 3190[18:09:48] <Onemorenickname> jhutchins, I see, thanks for warning me
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• 3193[18:10:00] <Onemorenickname> (it seems I wont have to do so, as there is a backport out there)
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• 3196[18:10:35] <jhutchins> Onemorenickname: Right, and 2.8, which is current, is making it's way through the sytem.
• 3197[18:10:43] <Texan> does anyone if there is a way to see if a file has changed since it's original installation via dpkg?
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• 3199[18:11:15] <Texan> for instance, in my install of foo, i have goo.txt and moo.txt. is there a way to determine if moo.txt has changed since the install?
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• 3201[18:11:21] <jhutchins> Texan: There's a package called debsums, but I believe you have to install it before you install the package.
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• 3204[18:11:46] <jhutchins> Texan: You could download the package (or grab it from the cache), unpack it to a new location, and compare the files.
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• 3207[18:12:51] <Texan> ah ok. yeah the package installs files all over the place..
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• 3209[18:13:03] <jhutchins> Texan: Yes, hence unpack not install.
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• 3213[18:14:24] <jhutchins> Texan: mkdir temp && dpkg -x somepackage.deb temp/
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• 3216[18:15:01] <Onemorenickname> new problem, I made a wheezt-backports.list file in sources.list.d/ containing "deb replaced-url
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• 3218[18:15:13] <Texan> thanks jhutchins, ill try that out. too bad there's not a built in tool (like difftool) :(
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• 3228[18:16:43] <AIDS123> i'm on jessie backports, is there a way to upgrade all my backportable packages with one apt-get command?
• 3229[18:16:44] <altyr> Onemorenickname: did you apt-get update?
• 3230[18:16:46] <teraflops> Onemorenickname: did apt-get update _before_?
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• 3234[18:17:04] <Onemorenickname> ha ha, i just did apt-get update and it works
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• 3236[18:17:11] <Onemorenickname> i thought about it just before you wrote it
• 3237[18:17:13] <Onemorenickname> thanks still !
• 3238[18:17:22] <Onemorenickname> now I have git 1.9
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• 3246[18:17:45] <Onemorenickname> AND I CAN USE git -C, thank you jhutchins !
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• 3249[18:18:15] <teraflops> heh
• 3250[18:18:20] <jhutchins> Onemorenickname: ... and you know about backports, and a little more about apt!
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• 3253[18:19:01] <Onemorenickname> (yep, that's what I was thinking)
• 3254[18:19:14] <Onemorenickname> (I think it may be usefull to go through a debian tutorial)
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• 3258[18:19:41] <jhutchins> altyr: We don't recommend doing that. Back ports are meant to be used when you need a newer version of a specific package. They have not been thoroughly tested against all available backports.
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• 3260[18:19:59] <jhutchins> altyr: Unless you have a specific need, there's no reason to update a stable package.
• 3261[18:20:13] <AIDS123> you meant to say this to me right?
• 3262[18:20:25] <AIDS123> i figured as much
• 3263[18:20:30] <altyr> Probably :)
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• 3267[18:20:47] <jhutchins> AIDS123: Yep, bad tab complete, sorry.
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• 3272[18:22:14] <Onemorenickname> How can I learn more about how packages are tested btw ?
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• 3277[18:23:45] <jhutchins> Onemorenickname: The wiki's probably a good place to start: replaced-url
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• 3321[18:37:26] <Onemorenickname> Stupid question : every command is run by a user ?
• 3322[18:37:33] <Onemorenickname> and every user has a $USER variable ?
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• 3341[18:46:17] <Kurogane> Hello, how i can get ask me again config of the package? i tried to apt-get purge but when install again the package not show again to config a clean and i see "Selecting previously unselected package" ?
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• 3345[18:47:23] <markybob> Kurogane: dpkg-reconfigure foo
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• 3349[18:48:00] <dsockwell> Kurogane: are you sure you're choosing the right package and not a metapackage or something that depends on the one you want?
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• 3352[18:48:15] <dsockwell> also you can configure dpkg to ask more detailed configuration questions, i forget how
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• 3354[18:48:34] <Kurogane> markybob, i not want that i want when install again ask me as never i installed that package
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• 3359[18:50:09] <plasmoduck> Hey guys how do I fix this? e following errors were encountered and need to be corrected first:
• 3360[18:50:10] <plasmoduck> PHP does not have MySQL support enabled.
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• 3362[18:50:21] <plasmoduck> I just installed php5-mysql but that didnt help
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• 3364[18:50:39] <Habitual> restart apache?
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• 3367[18:51:22] <plasmoduck> thanks
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• 3371[18:53:01] <Kurogane> dsockwell, yes, becuase i install apt-get install fob fob2 and when purge apt-get purge fob fob2 and install again not ask me anymore to config for ex dbconfig-common
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• 3397[19:01:37] <donald> hello
• 3398[19:01:55] <donald> how to make more than 8 partitions on the same hard disk?
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• 3407[19:04:23] <teraflops> using gpt or creating and extended partition on bios mbr systems
• 3408[19:05:29] <donald> thank you
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• 3416[19:08:30] <jhutchins> ... or MPT and extended logical partitions. I can't find anything that would limit you to 8.
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• 3424[19:09:51] <Nazara> Kurogane: try dpkg-reconfigure <pkg>
• 3425[19:10:00] <Nazara> Kurogane: or something similar
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• 3511[19:46:06] <sandieg> hi dudes
• 3512[19:46:21] <sandieg> here do i store a icon of an app ( using .desktop )
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• 3518[19:47:36] <sandieg> In other words , where do i store "Icon=Soulseek_remake" using [Desktop] " editted with nano
• 3519[19:47:44] <sandieg> plz help
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• 3526[19:49:10] <teraflops> good old soulseek
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• 3563[20:06:57] <AIDS123> is it safe to remove openjdk-7-jre if i got openjdk-8-jre installed?
• 3564[20:08:10] <greycat> If any packages depend on it, you'll be told. If you have any non-packages that depend on it, well, you can always reinstall it later.
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• 3590[20:23:27] <jhutchins> sandieg: Suggestion: Take a look at an existing shortcut and see where it stores the icon.
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• 3681[20:50:06] <bryzNSTY> Im installing the nvidia proprietary drivers, but there is a "long lived" and "short lived" branch. Which one should I choose for gaming?
• 3682[20:50:26] <basic`> so i made a mistake
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• 3684[20:50:36] <basic`> i did an apt-get remove php5-common php5-fpm
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• 3686[20:50:40] <basic`> and rm -rf /etc/php5
• 3687[20:50:54] <basic`> and now when i try to reinstall php5-fpm, i get an error on the —configure step
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• 3689[20:51:10] <basic`> because it says "failed to load configuration file '/etc/php5/fpm/php-fpm.conf’"
• 3690[20:51:26] <basic`> how do i fix that? why isn’t the package installing a file required to start?
• 3691[20:51:39] <greycat> Purge the package, which is what you should have done instead of rm -rf in the first place.
• 3692[20:52:02] <basic`> oh okay, purge, thanks!
• 3693[20:52:06] <greycat> At this point you may need to purge *all* the php packages.
• 3694[20:52:09] <basic`> coming from the redhat/yum world
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• 3696[20:52:46] <basic`> this is part of the ‘new features’ that i’m skipping over
• 3697[20:52:55] <basic`> greycat: that sounds ideal, as puppet will reinstall them
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• 3707[20:55:04] <basic`> that’s a handy feature
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• 3710[20:55:45] <basic`> greycat++
• 3711[20:55:49] <basic`> thank you, that fixed it
• 3712[20:56:31] <asterismo> hi
• 3713[20:56:47] <asterismo> does this means that cron runs every 11 minutes? */11 * * * *
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• 3715[20:56:57] <asterismo> or on the 11th minute of every hour?
• 3716[20:57:22] <asterismo> the same with */47 * * * *, is this every 47 mins? or the 47th min on every hour?
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• 3719[20:57:29] <jelly> asterismo: neither, actually. Every hour it runs every 11 minutes starting with 0th minute
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• 3724[20:57:57] <asterismo> so */47 * * * * ??
• 3725[20:58:09] <asterismo> that would not make any sense
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• 3727[20:58:12] <jelly> asterismo: it doesn't make sense to use */N for minutes unless N is denominator of 60
• 3728[20:58:49] <greycat> I think that would run at 0:00 and 0:47 and 1:00 and 1:47 ... but I haven't tested.
• 3729[20:58:52] <jelly> */47 * * * * will thus be equivalent to 0,47 * * * *
• 3730[20:59:03] <jelly> what he said.
• 3731[20:59:22] <asterismo> oh i see
• 3732[20:59:38] <asterismo> because i'm trying to spread timings on several bots that catches RSS updates
• 3733[20:59:51] <asterismo> i'm trying to find an efficient way to do this
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• 3735[21:00:15] <greycat> Well, pick one. Did you want every 11 minutes, or every 47 minutes, or what? Don't change the question on us, and don't LIE about the quesiton.
• 3736[21:00:39] <jelly> asterismo: use offsets, perhaps. 2-59/15 * * * * will run on *:02, *:17, *:32, *:47
• 3737[21:00:50] <greycat> And how precisely does it have to match these intervals?
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• 3739[21:02:04] <asterismo> greycat: lie?
• 3740[21:02:19] <asterismo> i just mentiones 2 crons, one 11 and other 47
• 3741[21:02:31] <asterismo> but i'm not quite understanding so that is why i was asking
• 3742[21:02:33] <jelly> "don't change the question" implies the user has thought out a question in advance
• 3743[21:02:37] <greycat> Which makes me think you're just pulling numbers out of your ass and not actually working on a specific goal.
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• 3748[21:04:47] <jelly> asterismo: what do you mean by efficient? How many jobs are you running and how often do they need to be run>
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• 3750[21:05:08] <asterismo> every RSS updates on its own frequency
• 3751[21:05:16] <jelly> and what specific situation are you trying to achieve (or avoid)?
• 3752[21:05:19] <greycat> So what does cron have to do with this?
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• 3754[21:05:26] <asterismo> i have cron lines on every RSS but i want to spread them not to all happen at the same time
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• 3756[21:05:31] <asterismo> one every minute or so
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• 3758[21:05:39] <Projectns> Hello i have a question, i installed debian with lxde and also with xfce
• 3759[21:05:39] <greycat> Subscribe to the rss thingy and when you receive a notification, act upon it.
• 3760[21:05:44] <asterismo> so i was asking on cron syntaxsis
• 3761[21:05:46] <Projectns> they boot but the screen is black
• 3762[21:05:50] <Projectns> can somybody help me?
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• 3764[21:06:02] <jhutchins> Projectns: No prompt or cursor?
• 3765[21:06:06] <Projectns> nothing
• 3766[21:06:18] <jelly> asterismo: but how often do you want to poll each specific feed for updates?
• 3767[21:06:18] <Projectns> when i push alt strg f1 is see the terminal
• 3768[21:06:30] <jhutchins> Projectns: Does Ctrl-Alt-F1 do anything?
• 3769[21:06:34] <greycat> Do you have to poll at all? Is there no way to become a passive receiver?
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• 3772[21:06:56] <jelly> greycat: I don't think RSS works like that.
• 3773[21:07:01] <Projectns> i see the console when i pressd the keys
• 3774[21:07:08] <jhutchins> greycat: Pertty sure rss is pull, not push.
• 3775[21:07:13] * greycat wonders what the point of RSS is, then
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• 3777[21:07:25] <jhutchins> Projectns: Excellent. Fix your graphics driver and you'll get your GUI.
• 3778[21:07:38] <jhutchins> greycat: Aggregation.
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• 3780[21:07:47] <Projectns> and how?
• 3781[21:08:24] <jhutchins> Projectns: Ah, now there's the real question. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log, check dmesg.
• 3782[21:08:31] <Projectns> ko
• 3783[21:08:43] <jhutchins> Projectns: Determine your chipset (lspci -nn)
• 3784[21:08:50] <jelly> asterismo: if you're checking for updates every 30 minutes, you can set up one job to run 0-59/30 * * * *, another 1-59/30 * * * *, yet another 2-59/30 * * * * etc
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• 3786[21:09:00] <jhutchins> Projectns: Serch the web for debian + <chipset>
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• 3788[21:09:07] <Projectns> ok
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• 3794[21:11:31] <jhutchins> Projectns: Ask here about <chipset>
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• 3804[21:15:01] <greycat> I see a small number of packages that seem to read RSS thingies, but I don't know which one(s) are any good, or which one(s) can handle multiple RSS thingies in a single process, etc.
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• 3808[21:16:35] <markybob> do you need an actual action to happen or just grab the feed? i use theoldreader.com and it works well. no need to fuck around.
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• 3811[21:18:05] <fas3r> hello
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• 3814[21:18:08] <fas3r> is it possible to use openvpn with sssd ?
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• 3822[21:20:59] <jhutchins> fas3r: Authenticate VPN via AD?
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• 3825[21:22:39] <fas3r> jhutchins: AD yes but I would like to need to use SSSD. for now the only solution that I came with would be to include radius and do : openvpn --> radius --> sssd --> ad. Just wondering if I can not use sssd directly
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• 3835[21:24:51] <jhutchins> fas3r: Is there a PAM module for it?
• 3836[21:25:05] <jhutchins> fas3r: I too hate radius.
• 3837[21:25:16] <markybob> apt-cache show sssd says it has pam interface
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• 3852[21:29:20] <fas3r> markybob: that's possible, sssd is quite new for me
• 3853[21:29:32] <fas3r> looking for a way to use it with openvpn..
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• 3858[21:30:08] <jhutchins> fas3r: I think you can get openvpn to use pam, if pam uses sssd you're all set.
• 3859[21:30:12] <fas3r> should I use plugin ..../sssd pam module /etc/conf/file ? something like this in openvn ?
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• 3864[21:30:40] <fas3r> like for ldap for example : plugin /usr/lib/openvpn/openvpn-auth-ldap.so /etc/openvpn/auth_ldap/auth-ldap.conf
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• 3866[21:31:27] <jhutchins> fas3r: A quick search makes me suspicous that you have yet to google "openvpn sssd".
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• 3872[21:32:39] <fas3r> jhutchins: done already ;)
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• 3889[21:39:05] <Projectns> sooo i have a VIA Technologies, Inc. VX900 Graphics [Chrome9 HD] [1106:7122] graficcard
• 3890[21:39:08] <Projectns> damn
• 3891[21:39:09] <Projectns> :D
• 3892[21:39:30] <greycat> ,pciid 1106:7122
• 3893[21:39:31] <judd> [1106:7122] is 'VX900 Graphics [Chrome9 HD]' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
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• 3895[21:39:41] <greycat> :(
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• 3899[21:41:06] <Projectns> helllp i dont have a gui
• 3900[21:41:24] <Projectns> that means? can i install the driver?
• 3901[21:42:01] <greycat> What part of "no known kernel module in jessie or in sid" was unclear?
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• 3904[21:42:32] <Projectns> im a n00b
• 3905[21:42:40] <Projectns> that means it dont work ?
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• 3909[21:44:57] <xantam> hi
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• 3911[21:45:23] <jhutchins> Projectns: Linux kernel modules are similar to windows drivers. You need the module that matches your hardware.
• 3912[21:45:47] <Projectns> and where can i find the modules?
• 3913[21:45:51] <Projectns> can i install it via apt-get?
• 3914[21:45:56] <xantam> does anyone know how to disable mail from "/etc/cron.d/php5" without disabling the whole cron email thingy?
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• 3916[21:46:03] <markybob> Projectns: no. it said there are none
• 3917[21:46:12] <Projectns> mh ok
• 3918[21:46:17] <jhutchins> Projectns: If you're lucky, a module is being developed upstream, search the web for linux + <chipset>
• 3919[21:46:26] <Projectns> ok
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• 3922[21:46:51] <greycat> The arch web sites seem to indicate that you need a *wholly separate kernel* for this thing. replaced-url
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• 3925[21:47:03] <jhutchins> Projectns: Then again, that's kernel modules, and not all Graphics drivers require kernel modules.
• 3926[21:47:19] <xantam> i tried >/dev/null at the end but that doesn't work
• 3927[21:47:31] <greycat> xantam: >/dev/null 2>&1
• 3928[21:47:32] <zinx> being VIA, it probably does just to work around bugs
• 3929[21:47:47] <Projectns> and when i install archlinux? is there the module or kernel?
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• 3931[21:47:56] <xantam> greycat that has the same effect
• 3932[21:47:57] <jml2> :)
• 3933[21:48:00] <greycat> Projectns: Arch is a different Linux OS from Debian.
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• 3936[21:48:04] <jml2> !arch
• 3937[21:48:04] <dpkg> arch is, like, a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at replaced-url
• 3938[21:48:04] <xantam> still getting the emails
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• 3942[21:48:18] <jml2> !archlinux
• 3943[21:48:18] <dpkg> Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. replaced-url
• 3944[21:48:19] <jml2> rather
• 3945[21:48:32] <greycat> xantam: Then you'll have to look at the actual details of the job and how it works and what it does.
• 3946[21:48:58] <xantam> thats the job: 09,39 * * * * root [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -x /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean /var/lib/php5 $(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime)
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• 3948[21:49:07] <jhutchins> Projectns: 'VX900
• 3949[21:49:26] <jhutchins> Projectns: OOps. replaced-url
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• 3954[21:50:00] <greycat> I did see that package, but the description doesn't say which chipsets it supports.
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• 3957[21:50:17] <Projectns> *xserver-xorg-video-openchrome is already the newest version.
• 3958[21:50:26] <xantam> greycat maybe a ">/dev/null 2>&1" before every && ?
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• 3960[21:50:34] <greycat> xantam: no.
• 3961[21:50:49] <greycat> the [ commands do not produce any output, so redirecting those is pointless.
• 3962[21:50:50] <zinx> maybe a () around the &&'d things
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• 3964[21:50:56] <greycat> no
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• 3966[21:51:18] <greycat> You have two *actual* commands there: /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime and /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean . I don't know what either one of them does.
• 3967[21:51:35] <xantam> it clears php sessions
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• 3969[21:51:53] <xantam> it's a standard job that is installed on debian with php5
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• 3971[21:52:08] <jhutchins> Projectns: Via have not been very cooperative with open source development. They do have a proprietary driver here: replaced-url
• 3972[21:52:17] <xantam> so i don't want to fully disable it either
• 3973[21:52:24] <jhutchins> Projectns: That will probably not work with a current Debian install.
• 3974[21:52:26] <Projectns> ok
• 3975[21:52:29] <Projectns> :(
• 3976[21:52:31] <Projectns> ohh
• 3977[21:52:41] <jhutchins> Projectns: Some other distributions are able to distribute proprietary drivers.
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• 3979[21:53:12] <jhutchins> Projectns: It will work in basic VGA mode with the vesa driver.
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• 3981[21:53:19] <Projectns> okay
• 3982[21:53:27] <Projectns> and how can i go into the vga mode?
• 3983[21:53:31] <greycat> xantam: so you don't know what they do either. Well, first figure out *which one* of them is generating the output that becomes the email. Then find out *how* the output is becoming email. Is it being emailed directly by the program?
• 3984[21:53:39] <Projectns> that sucks
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• 3989[21:54:56] <xantam> greycat the output of /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime seems to generate the stuff in the email
• 3990[21:55:14] <jhutchins> Projectns: The openchrome driver is supposed to work with the vx900, you might need to look into configuring it, and see what /var/log/Xorg.0.log thinks the problem is.
• 3991[21:55:18] <greycat> xantam: OK. That's the one inside the command substitution $() so you may need your >/dev/null 2>&1 inside there as well.
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• 3995[21:55:35] <greycat> Err.. No. Wait. Don't do that.
• 3996[21:55:41] <zinx> yeah, don't do >
• 3997[21:55:56] <Projectns> ok
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• 3999[21:56:03] <zinx> 2>/dev/null could do something, but what is the output? if it's a warning you know you don't need to pay attention to, ok..
• 4000[21:56:03] <xantam> :/
• 4001[21:56:39] <xantam> that's the output replaced-url
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• 4005[21:57:13] <Projectns> failed to open drm device
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• 4018[21:59:15] <xantam> greycat zinx should i add 2>/dev/null in the $() ?
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• 4020[21:59:56] <zinx> i said if you know the output is a warning you don't need to know about you /can/ do that.. not that you should :P
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• 4028[22:03:10] <greycat> I would personally prefer to fix the problems it's complaining about.
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• 4048[22:08:39] <jhutchins> greycat: That would be contrary to modern programming practices.
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• 4050[22:08:43] <ewheeler> g'day all! I have a .deb that has dependencies that I don't need (and don't want) but I need the package itself.
• 4051[22:08:49] <ewheeler> Can I force-satisfy the deps it seeks?
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• 4054[22:09:47] <jhutchins> ewheeler: If they're actual dependencies, no, you need to install them. if they're recommends, not dependencies, you can turn them off.
• 4055[22:10:00] <ompaul> ewheeler: what kind of what are you installing on what from where
• 4056[22:10:01] <greycat> ewheeler: you can use equivs to make a package that "Provides:" the things you want to make it think you have.
• 4057[22:10:08] <ompaul> !dontbreakdebian
• 4058[22:10:09] <dpkg> [dont break debian] replaced-url
• 4059[22:10:26] <ompaul> ewheeler: ^^ that might help you with what NOT to do ;-)
• 4060[22:10:35] <xantam> greycat zinx got it :D
• 4061[22:10:35] <greycat> Normally this is only done by qmail users who want to provide mail-transport-agent.
• 4062[22:10:36] <xantam> [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -x /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean /var/lib/php5 >/dev/null 2>&1 $(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime >/dev/null 2>&1)
• 4063[22:10:49] <xantam> no more mail \o/
• 4064[22:10:50] <greycat> xantam: don't put >/dev/null inside the $(). Just 2>/dev/null
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• 4066[22:11:13] <xantam> it still hat a number in it
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• 4068[22:11:23] <greycat> You don't understand ANYTHING either one of us said, do you. :(
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• 4071[22:11:47] <greycat> ... && /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean /var/lib/php5 $(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime 2>/dev/null) >/dev/null 2>&1
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• 4076[22:13:06] <greycat> 2>/dev/null will throw away standard error from the command inside the command substitution, but still allow standard output to be generated, so it can be captured by the command subs.
• 4077[22:13:25] <xantam> ah
• 4078[22:13:27] <greycat> Which then becomes an argument (or set of arguments, after word splitting) to the outer command.
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• 4082[22:15:27] <xantam> thanks seems to work :)
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• 4094[22:18:43] <inframare> How do I force a fsck these days? Is it still touch /forcefsck ?
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• 4097[22:20:03] <toruvinn> inframare, well shutdown has -F
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• 4099[22:20:20] <toruvinn> inframare, > The -F flag means `force fsck'. This only creates an advisory file /forcefsck which can be tested by the system when it comes up again.
• 4100[22:20:23] <toruvinn> inframare, so yeah i guess
• 4101[22:20:34] <greycat> toruvinn: what version of Debian has that?
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• 4106[22:21:31] <greycat> Also, I see refs to /forcefsck in /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh but I don't know if the systemd boot process ever reads that script
• 4107[22:22:16] <inframare> toruvinn: I'm not seeing that switch in shutdown(8) - but I am on stretch
• 4108[22:22:31] <ewheeler> ompaul, greycat, jhutchins, I don't need dahdi-tools to install libopenr2-3---but asterisk needs the .so.
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• 4110[22:23:14] <ewheeler> also I don't want the dkms noise that came with dahdi because this is embedded and I don't want gcc, and the kernel is rather custom. Anyways, there is good reason to break the deps and I know what I'm doing.
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• 4117[22:23:39] <ewheeler> I'd considered rebuilding the libopenr but I would like to avoid that amount of work.
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• 4119[22:23:59] <chilaquil> when I execute history I don't see the number of the command, how can I added it?
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• 4123[22:25:26] <markus__> chilaquil: are you using bash?
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• 4125[22:25:46] <chilaquil> markus__: yes
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• 4127[22:26:08] <chilaquil> markus__: no I'm sorry, I'm using fish
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• 4129[22:26:35] <ewheeler> ompaul, greycat, jhutchins, it looks like unpacking with `ar` and changing the control file is my best bet here---unless it can be done with apt.conf.d or .preferences.d or something
• 4130[22:27:14] <jhutchins> ewheeler: Why do you think you don't need the dependencies?
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• 4132[22:27:34] <ewheeler> jhutchins, because I need the .so, not the -tools
• 4133[22:28:02] <ewheeler> maybe I'll just copy the .so and blacklist the package.
• 4134[22:28:10] <toruvinn> greycat, i'm on wheezy for example
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• 4136[22:28:20] <jhutchins> ewheeler: Or go ahead and install it then pretend it's not there.
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• 4138[22:28:32] <markus__> then i'm not sure. but in bash type PS=\\!-Yeah
• 4139[22:28:37] <markus__> sorry
• 4140[22:28:38] <greycat> Ah, wheezy's shutdown(8) does have -F. Jessie does not.
• 4141[22:28:40] <markus__> then i'm not sure. but in bash type PS1=\\!-Yeah
• 4142[22:28:52] <ewheeler> lol, pretend. Well I already did `dpkg --nodeps` but I want to make sure apt doesn't try to pull in gcc and *-dev for that pkg
• 4143[22:28:59] <markus__> Then you will get a prompt with 413-Yeah for example
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• 4145[22:29:07] <jhutchins> greycat: Probably something to do with systemd.
• 4146[22:29:10] <toruvinn> greycat, ah yeah, deb8 already does not have that. heh.
• 4147[22:29:16] <toruvinn> greycat, i blame systemd.
• 4148[22:29:36] <markus__> chilaquil: replaced-url
• 4149[22:29:37] <greycat> 16:21 greycat> Also, I see refs to /forcefsck in /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh but I don't know if the systemd boot process ever reads that script
• 4150[22:29:41] <markus__> maybe it works similar in fish
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• 4157[22:31:40] <chilaquil> markus__: thanks man
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• 4159[22:32:28] <inframare> toruvinn, greycat: I just tested by touching /forcefsck and checking the last fsck datetime with tune2fs, no change!
• 4160[22:32:37] <greycat> Good to know.
• 4161[22:32:55] <greycat> (You did reboot after creating that file, yes? Was the file still present after coming back up?)
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• 4168[22:34:07] <inframare> greycat: I did reboot, strangely the file is gone - but the date from tune2fs has not changed !?
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• 4170[22:34:38] <inframare> I'm just going to repeat this, in case I've been special!
• 4171[22:35:05] <toruvinn> hmmm
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• 4174[22:35:25] <toruvinn> well if the file disappeared, something must've removed it. and if it was removed witout running fsck... that'd be stupid. :-<
• 4175[22:35:33] <toruvinn> oh wait, it's systemd. ;-{
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• 4177[22:36:02] <wewlad> hello debs, I have problems rsyncing a local file to remote ssh server, I get weird output: ssh: Could not resolve hostname mysshserver: Name or service not known. rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]. rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(226) [sender=3.1.1]
• 4178[22:36:11] <wewlad> if I type 'ssh mysshserver' I get connected to it, since I have 'mysshserver' properly aliased in ~/.ssh/config
• 4179[22:36:20] <wewlad> if I manually specify the user@serverIP in rsync command I get a different output: stdin: is not a tty. bash: rsync: command not found. rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]. rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(226) [sender=3.1.1]
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• 4181[22:36:31] <toruvinn> wewlad, ~/.ssh/config doesnt seem like "rsync config" to me
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• 4183[22:36:34] <greycat> Google led me to "man systemd-fsck" which is... part of the puzzle.
• 4184[22:36:52] <greycat> toruvinn: it'll configure the client connection part.
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• 4186[22:37:10] <toruvinn> greycat, well if you're using rsync -e ssh, right
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• 4188[22:37:17] <inframare> greycat, toruvinn: Just double checked - That is exactly what is happening, /forcefsck is removed, but the last checked date from tune2fs is not changing !?
• 4189[22:37:27] <wewlad> toruvinn: okay, if I use login@sshServerIP the command still fails
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• 4192[22:37:56] <toruvinn> wewlad, do you even have rsync on the other end?
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• 4194[22:38:05] <toruvinn> wewlad, `bash: rsync: command not found.' makes me wonder
• 4195[22:38:19] <wewlad> toruvinn: oh :(
• 4196[22:38:20] <wewlad> no
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• 4201[22:38:48] <toruvinn> wewlad, because what rsync -e ssh does is it sshs to the other end and runs rsync instead of bash... or it should. something like ssh user@host rsync -someparametersthatmakeitlistenforthings
• 4202[22:38:51] <inframare> So according to systemd-fsck I have to specify it as a kernel command line parameter!
• 4203[22:39:00] <toruvinn> inframare, omfg
• 4204[22:39:12] <toruvinn> WHYYY did they move to systemd :-(
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• 4206[22:39:27] <inframare> toruvinn: I know, it is a nightmare!
• 4207[22:39:46] <greycat> inframare: I suspect there is another piece of the puzzle but I haven't found it yet
• 4208[22:39:46] <wewlad> toruvinn: 1. I did use without '-e ssh' 2. the server doesn't have rsync :(
• 4209[22:40:07] <inframare> greycat: Ah, let me know - I'll do the same :)
• 4210[22:40:23] <toruvinn> wewlad, without -e ssh it should expect rsyncd to be running wherever you're trying to connect
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• 4214[22:40:48] <greycat> Debian's rsync uses -e ssh by default. Back in the Days Of Olde, the default was rsh.
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• 4217[22:41:03] <wewlad> toruvinn: oh, okay
• 4218[22:41:09] <toruvinn> wewlad, so just use rsync yourparams -e ssh user@mysshserver:somewhere/ somewhere/ (or the other way around if you're rsyncing to the host)
• 4219[22:41:16] <wewlad> I wonder if there's a poor man's rsync emulation then...
• 4220[22:41:21] <toruvinn> wewlad, but remember you need rsync on the other end too...
• 4221[22:41:29] <toruvinn> wewlad, depends on what you need
• 4222[22:41:40] <toruvinn> wewlad, if you just need to copy things to the host i often tar things and pipe them through netcat ;-)
• 4223[22:41:44] <wewlad> toruvinn: that's a web hosting, I doubt I can install stuff there
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• 4226[22:42:09] <wewlad> toruvinn: netcat them how?
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• 4229[22:42:19] <wewlad> you need a listener set up
• 4230[22:42:37] <wewlad> don't have 'nc' on the server
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• 4232[22:42:53] <toruvinn> wewlad, technically even bash allows you to setup listen socket or to connect somewhere...
• 4233[22:43:11] <toruvinn> wewlad, replaced-url
• 4234[22:43:20] <toruvinn> wewlad, but if you have ssh why not just sftp or scp?
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• 4236[22:43:38] <wewlad> toruvinn: because scp is slow, haven't tried the sftp
• 4237[22:43:48] <toruvinn> it's slow because encryption?
• 4238[22:43:49] <wewlad> I guess I need tar > scp > untar
• 4239[22:44:08] <wewlad> toruvinn: it seems to be slow on lots of small files
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• 4242[22:44:27] <toruvinn> wewlad, oh everything is slow on lots of small files, sadly. ;-/
• 4243[22:44:31] <greycat> I'm also seeing a few people say that creating the file /fsck will force an fsck, but I do not know where this is documented.
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• 4245[22:45:19] <teraflops> toruvinn: /forcefsk file _does not work_ with systemd. It's not about files vanishing because systend blah blah haha
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• 4247[22:45:42] <teraflops> Systemd*
• 4248[22:45:54] <inframare> Its damn odd that /forcefsck is removed, but the check is not performed though
• 4249[22:46:04] <toruvinn> greycat, something interesting in /lib/systemd/system/systemd-fsck-root.service
• 4250[22:46:04] <greycat> To be fair, it's odd that something would remove that file without following its instruction.
• 4251[22:46:14] <inframare> I just tested fsck.mode=force on the kernel line and that did work
• 4252[22:46:30] <toruvinn> greycat, ConditionPathExists=!/run/initramfs/fsck-root
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• 4254[22:46:41] <toruvinn> initramfs? ;-S
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• 4256[22:46:43] <wewlad> toruvinn: do you by chance know of a script to tar > scp; ssh && untar?
• 4257[22:47:01] <greycat> Another piece of the puzzle :(
• 4258[22:47:01] <teraflops> Yeah but that's not the same thing unless you edit kernel parameters at each boot
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• 4260[22:47:13] <toruvinn> wewlad, tar c files/ | ssh somewhere tar vx -
• 4261[22:47:21] <toruvinn> wewlad, if you want to tar and untar them on the fly
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• 4263[22:47:46] <greycat> good old tar|ssh tar
• 4264[22:47:59] <wewlad> toruvinn: uh, but where's rcp?
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• 4266[22:48:03] <greycat> a.k.a. "damn it, why isn't rsync installed there"
• 4267[22:48:16] <toruvinn> i prefer tar (j?)c files/ | pv | nc -l -p 3456 and nc thathost 3456 | tar (j)xv ;-)
• 4268[22:48:40] <greycat> You have hosts with nc but not rsync?
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• 4271[22:48:55] <toruvinn> greycat, i had a statically linked rsync binary for that somewhere
• 4272[22:48:56] <toruvinn> ;-)
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• 4274[22:49:16] <toruvinn> greycat, tbh nc is in debian's basesystem for a loong time now
• 4275[22:49:25] <toruvinn> greycat, it's even in /bin/nc ;-)
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• 4277[22:49:28] <toruvinn> probably busybox
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• 4279[22:49:56] <greycat> tar|ssh tar is something I usually have to do on NON-linux systems, because they don't have anything but tar. And apparently ssh. Hell, I've done tar|remsh tar before :(
• 4280[22:49:59] <toruvinn> actually no! it's linked to /bin/nc.traditional (by alternatives)
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• 4283[22:50:27] <greycat> After that I made it a firm policy to get ssh on EVERY fuckin' box.
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• 4286[22:50:58] <wewlad> toruvinn: can I manually upload rsync binary and use it?
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• 4288[22:51:14] <wewlad> or that won't work?
• 4289[22:51:32] <greycat> replaced-url
• 4290[22:51:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 4295[22:53:21] <toruvinn> wewlad, depends on that host
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• 4297[22:53:28] <toruvinn> wewlad, it's possible.
• 4298[22:54:02] <maroloccio> hi. i need to scan lots of papers for a small research. maybe 300 pdf files, just skimming. what's the absolute best pdf reader on debian? i can't use adobe anymore.. they took it down for deb
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• 4300[22:54:09] <toruvinn> wewlad, then you have --rsync-path=... to tell rsync path to rsync on remote
• 4301[22:54:19] <inframare> greycat: Ah, lol!
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• 4304[22:55:23] <toruvinn> greycat, uhhh. did i mention i'm not fond of systemd? im not fond of systemd.
• 4305[22:55:40] <greycat> I had a suspicion.
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• 4307[22:56:25] <toruvinn> i'm under the impression not-so-many-people like it too much, actually. but let's not start the "why" flamewar. ;-)
• 4308[22:57:12] <wewlad> toruvinn: weird, I got no errors, but the file didn't get uploaded
• 4309[22:57:20] <toruvinn> wewlad, what did you do?
• 4310[22:57:40] <maroloccio> i use gnome, if that's a factor. i don't know
• 4311[22:57:44] <wewlad> toruvinn: rsync BingSiteAuth.xml user@sshServerIP --rsync-path=replaced-url
• 4312[22:58:07] <toruvinn> wewlad, i dont see -e ssh there btw... did it even connect to something?
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• 4315[22:58:40] <wewlad> toruvinn: so 'rsync BingSiteAuth.xml user@sshServerIP -e ssh --rsync-path=replaced-url
• 4316[22:58:53] <toruvinn> wewlad, you're looking more for something like rsync -e ssh --rsync-path=replaced-url
• 4317[22:58:56] <toruvinn> probably
• 4318[22:59:25] <toruvinn> but really, using rsync just to transfer one xml file? ;-P
• 4319[22:59:35] <greycat> nothing wrong with that
• 4320[22:59:39] <toruvinn> unless it's a database dump in an xml format ;-P
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• 4324[23:00:05] <BinBasher> anyone running gnome having trouble with extreme lag?
• 4325[23:00:16] <Roland-> hi folks, any easy way for me to turn off vga output?
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• 4327[23:00:33] <Roland-> not just blank it out
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• 4329[23:00:49] <wewlad> toruvinn: stdin: is not a tty; replaced-url
• 4330[23:01:13] <toruvinn> wewlad, which is why you'd probably need a static rsync binary ;-)
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• 4332[23:01:34] <wewlad> toruvinn: where to obtain one?
• 4333[23:01:53] <wewlad> you mean a binary that contains everything it depends on inside itself?
• 4334[23:02:00] <rattking> Roland- more off then xrandr --off ?
• 4335[23:02:06] <toruvinn> wewlad, well, yes. you can always build it yourself. ;-P
• 4336[23:02:12] <toruvinn> the beauty of opensource.
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• 4339[23:02:31] <wewlad> the ugly beast of opensource: it requires some knowledge :D
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• 4341[23:03:38] <wewlad> eh, so I guess I'll just 'tar|ssh ; ssh && untar'
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• 4344[23:03:54] <toruvinn> wewlad, nnnnot exactly.
• 4345[23:03:59] <toruvinn> wewlad, more like tar | ssh tar x
• 4346[23:04:11] <wewlad> toruvinn: could you explain?
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• 4349[23:05:10] <toruvinn> wewlad, `tar c files/' creates a tar archive of files/ and dumps that to stdout. you pipe that to `ssh somewhere tar xv -' and that tar on the other end gets that stdout as its stdin ("-" shouldn't be necessary for a few years now, btw) and untars it.
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• 4353[23:05:58] <greycat> if you're going to give - you should precede it with f
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• 4355[23:06:09] <toruvinn> greycat, hmm you sure?
• 4356[23:06:13] <greycat> xvf - for non-GNU tars.
• 4357[23:06:23] <toruvinn> greycat, tar xv - works for me
• 4358[23:06:30] <greycat> you don't need the - there
• 4359[23:06:44] <greycat> there's no version of tar that'll care about the - without a -f before it
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• 4361[23:07:39] <greycat> On HP-UX 10.20 the default archive file for tar is /dev/rmt/0m rather than stdout/stdin, so if you're ever doing this on HP-UX, be sure you use that -f -
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• 4363[23:08:58] <wewlad> toruvinn: 'tar c BingSiteAuth.xml | ssh sshAlias tar xv -': stdin: is not a tty; tar: -: Not found in archive; tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
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• 4367[23:09:38] <toruvinn> hehe wewlad skip that - or add f before it ;-)
• 4368[23:09:42] <wewlad> yup, catsy was right :)
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• 4372[23:10:20] <wewlad> (he doesn't speak to me directly because he put me to ignore)
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• 4374[23:11:03] <wewlad> should I alias rcp='tar c $1' ?
• 4375[23:11:42] <Roland-> xrandr seems to require me to be in the display
• 4376[23:11:49] <Roland-> I am wiling to do this from the serial
• 4377[23:11:54] <wewlad> toruvinn: btw, thanks, pal
• 4378[23:12:01] <Roland-> root@storage1:~# xrandr --output VGA --off \ Can't open display
• 4379[23:12:08] <greycat> the x at the front is a hint.
• 4380[23:12:09] <toruvinn> wewlad, yw, buddy. ;->
• 4381[23:12:37] <greycat> Does "from the serial" mean an ssh connection, or a Linux TTY, or a literal serial port?
• 4382[23:12:48] <Roland-> ssh or actual serial
• 4383[23:12:53] <Roland-> rs232
• 4384[23:13:24] <greycat> Well, if you don't want to start an X server, then you need the equivalent for the Linux TTY driver, or the frame buffer, or some other thing I don't fully understand.
• 4385[23:14:10] <zabel> $anyone here installed debian on a lenovo thinkpad p50? Any issues? Read that you have to have the latest kernel for newest skylake processors for instance
• 4386[23:14:11] <Roland-> the story is that this is a gw server, I am only accesing over serial (if ever) so I am willing to simplu turn off vga output
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• 4390[23:15:14] <greycat> Can't you just disconnect the physical monitor? Or is it a laptop?
• 4391[23:15:28] <Roland-> it's a server
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• 4393[23:15:38] <Roland-> I guess I can do that
• 4394[23:15:45] <Roland-> but... windows 98 can do that.
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• 4397[23:16:16] <Roland-> it's just a preferance, the ability to turn off unused devices such as vga
• 4398[23:16:27] <greycat> Damn it, why can't I remember the name of the COMMAND that is for the Linux TTY driver?
• 4399[23:16:42] <teraflops> zabel: the problem with skylake is that intel didn't release the microcode updates yet
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• 4401[23:17:29] <Roland-> I am not sure I get it, linux tty driver?
• 4402[23:17:36] <greycat> setterm !!!!
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• 4405[23:17:41] <greycat> JEEESUS that was hard to find
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• 4407[23:17:57] <greycat> If you can't find it in man setterm, then it probably can't be done.
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• 4411[23:18:21] <wewlad> toruvinn: how to beat that weird shit that the file gets sent okay if I use 'ssh sshServerAlias' there but if I use 'ssh sshServerAlias:replaced-url
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• 4413[23:18:55] <wewlad> thing is, I'd like to upload to some path on remote server, not to the ~ dir
• 4414[23:19:06] <Roland-> can't be done, to turn uff the monitor after let's say inactivity, that is simply ridiculous
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• 4416[23:19:39] <Roland-> ah setterm seems ... posible
• 4417[23:19:40] <greycat> Well, the only layer underneath that is the kernel itself, so you can ask Kernel People. Or just disconnect the cable.
• 4418[23:20:03] <rattking> it looks like setterm --powerdown should do that
• 4419[23:20:49] <greycat> I think you want --powersave powerdown
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• 4421[23:21:25] <Roland-> do I have to be in that terminal
• 4422[23:21:27] <Roland-> or I can chose
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• 4424[23:21:58] <greycat> You can redirect to /dev/tty1 or whatever, if you have to.
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• 4426[23:22:16] <greycat> "setterm writes to standard output ..."
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• 4430[23:23:07] <Roland-> setterm -powersave powerdown says cannot (un)set powersave mode
• 4431[23:23:36] <greycat> Did you do the full thing? setterm --term linux --powersave powerdown >/dev/tty1
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• 4439[23:25:12] <Roland-> setterm -term linux -powersave -powerdown 10 > /dev/tty0 did not work
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• 4441[23:25:20] <Roland-> sorry
• 4442[23:25:39] <Roland-> well, that 10 was extra but still same
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• 4444[23:26:27] <greycat> Then I don
• 4445[23:26:32] <greycat> Then I don't know. Ask the Linux Kernel People.
• 4446[23:26:40] <Roland-> ok
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• 4448[23:27:32] <fas3r> jhutchins: do you think I could do that replaced-url
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• 4453[23:29:01] <greycat> imadev:~$ ssh -t wooledg 'sudo sh -c "setterm --term linux --powersave powerdown >/dev/tty1"' ==> setterm: cannot (un)set powersave mode: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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• 4455[23:29:18] <greycat> Oh well. I tried.
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• 4459[23:30:23] <Roland-> vbetool looks promising
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• 4461[23:31:43] <fornax> Hi, I have a docker network at bridge docker0 and a second bridge br0 with several lxc containers. The lxc containers have a public network ip. The docker containers are in the private docker network. How can I realize that I can ping the public ips of my lxc containers on br0? Somehow they are not reachable from within my docker containers. Host and docker containers are debian 8.3 machines
• 4462[23:31:43] <Roland-> stupid cruzer fit, that stick has like 1 MB/s
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• 4464[23:32:01] <Roland-> takes me 10 minutes to install 2mb packages
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• 4466[23:32:22] <jhutchins> fas3r: Give it a try. Make sure to make backups of the config files before you start.
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• 4469[23:32:54] <fas3r> jhutchins: ok thanks for your time :)
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• 4472[23:33:53] <jhutchins> fas3r: If you figure it out, and it's not the way that page suggests, update it, write the author, post your own write-up or something.
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• 4475[23:34:23] <fas3r> jhutchins: sure thing.
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• 4481[23:37:01] <toruvinn> wewlad, ssh doesn't accept it like that. you'd need scp for that, then you can support path
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• 4486[23:37:24] <wewlad> aw, crap :(
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• 4488[23:38:14] <toruvinn> wewlad, well you can sorta script it of course, ask for bash -c 'cd path/ && tar xv'
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• 4490[23:38:27] <toruvinn> wewlad, or prepend path/ locally in tar
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• 4492[23:38:37] <toruvinn> there's around 1048576 ways to do that
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• 4494[23:40:13] <isifreek> hello, I have an 8GB flash drive that shows up as a CD_ROM in Files and only seems to show that it has a capacity of 10MiB in gparted. I cannot dd anything because it returns No space left on device. how do I fix this?
• 4495[23:40:41] <isifreek> also, whenever I click CD_ROM in the sidebar, it mounts a new loop drive (10MiB)
• 4496[23:41:04] <wewlad> toruvinn: 'man bash /-c' didn't clear things out :(
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• 4500[23:42:26] <johnny0> /quit
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• 4503[23:42:33] <toruvinn> wewlad, you may need `man man' first tbh, if you're trying something like the one you wrote above
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• 4507[23:43:09] <wewlad> toruvinn: I didn't know how to write down "'man bash' then '/-c'"
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• 4512[23:43:56] <grantwu> replaced-url
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• 4514[23:46:10] <toruvinn> wewlad, then check man ssh and see what 'command' is
• 4515[23:46:31] <jhutchins> grantwu: Should be able to aptitude install linux-image
• 4516[23:46:53] <grantwu> jhutchins: I meant, install the kernel for Squeeze on a Jessie image
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• 4518[23:47:12] <jhutchins> grantwu: You don't.
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• 4521[23:47:16] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 4522[23:47:17] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.4.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.4.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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• 4524[23:47:42] <jhutchins> grantwu: What are you really trying to do?
• 4525[23:47:44] <grantwu> jhutchins: I'm booting a Squeeze VM using qemu direct boot that used to be on a Xen Dom0
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• 4531[23:48:54] <wewlad> I don't get it :(
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• 4533[23:49:28] <wewlad> I guess I'll 'tar | ssh; ssh && untar' after all
• 4534[23:49:38] <grantwu> jhutchins: Really, what I'm trying to do is port a Xen VM to KVM...
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• 4541[23:49:56] <jonathan_zz> when you copy something in a Linux text app, and paste it into a browser, what line ending will it have?
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• 4544[23:50:27] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: Not necessarily anything.
• 4545[23:50:43] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: What kind of form/field are you pasting into?
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• 4547[23:51:37] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: there is .... it's a pretty dynamic chat app. Or website. Usually when I pasted something with whitelines in Windows they were preserved. Last time I tried in Linux, the lines were doubled.
• 4548[23:51:52] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: I mean that the same line was repeated twice, and the line ending between them was condensed.
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• 4550[23:52:20] <jonathan_zz> I think maybe I remember this happening before, except for the doubling bug.
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• 4552[23:53:20] <jonathan_zz> I might be mistaken about the thing preserving whitespace (newlines) but I have never seen that doubling thing before on Windows.
• 4553[23:53:26] <jonathan_zz> it is hi5/tagged.
• 4554[23:54:04] <jonathan_zz> so I wonder if there is some bug in their code that malfunctions it when it is not CRLF
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• 4566[23:58:55] <jonathan_zz> I know copy & paste buffers on Linux will just use LF.
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