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0[00:00:12] <epony> regarding paychecks and salaries, you
should look in the accountants reports for the board, and check for
the manager salaries (above the devs and ops and the other fake PC
guys)
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3[00:03:32] <epony> lope, I used FreeBSD's jails [
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5[00:04:13] <epony> FreeBSD 5-9
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6[00:04:38] <epony> vz is a hosting scam
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10[00:05:38] <epony> seems like you found the value of
dedicated server compartmentalisation only not the optimal toolkit
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12[00:05:54] <lope> openvz is actually good, especially for
it's time
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15[00:06:21] <epony> I disagree.
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16[00:06:25] <lope> I even rent a cheap openvz server right now
even though I've got all sorts of servers
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17[00:06:32] <lope> that's fine
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19[00:06:40] <lope> I'm working so I won't argue with
you
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21[00:06:46] <epony> :-) have fun
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25[00:09:42] <epony>
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36[00:17:12] <CrystalMath> how isit that no one other than me
is bothered by the font thing?
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37[00:17:17] <CrystalMath> i really need to reduce the line
spacing
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73[00:46:26] <namll> I have a new hdd I want to use as extra
space. when i plug in the sata cable the hdd takes the place of sda
and throws off the naming assignment of the other hdd's
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75[00:50:23] <jmcnaught> namll: is it /etc/fstab you're
having trouble with? You can use UUIDs instead of device nodes. Find
the UUID for the partition with 'lsblk -o +UUID' and then
use UUID=65aefaa8 as the first column in fstab
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77[00:50:41] <jmcnaught> The UUID will be longer than my
example.
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78[00:51:03] <namll> jmcnaught: i believe it might be the
fstab. I have another drive that I mount with fstab.
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80[00:51:27] <namll> so you have to update the fstab for any
hdd additions/removals?
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84[00:52:38] <jmcnaught> namll: it's one way of doing
things. If you use LVM then you can run pvcreate on the new drive,
vgextend your volume group, then possibly lvextend some of your
logical volumes, that's another way
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85[00:53:27] <jmcnaught> namll: but if you just want to mount
the new drive at a specific path, you use fstab for this.
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86[00:53:50] <namll> cool thanks for the help.
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87[00:54:06] <jmcnaught> you're welcome
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102[01:04:11] <namll> I have to use parted for anything bigger
than 2TB correct?
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104[01:04:54] <namll> im trying to not install plugins that are
programs that do the same thing natively in debian.
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105[01:05:34] <Gerowen> Does watching YouTube in Firefox make
anybody else's system freeze? I've noticed random freezes
in both Ubuntu and Debian on this hardware, but only when watching
YouTube. It's not the moment I load a video either, I could
watch YouTube for a half hour or so and it'll be just fine and
then just freeze randomly.
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107[01:06:02] <Gerowen> I thought perhaps it was thermals since
it's a laptop, but the thermals are fine, and I've put it
under other sustained loads to get the temps and CPU usage up and
had no issues, it's only ever happening on YouTube.
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109[01:08:32] <jmcnaught> namll: I'm not aware of any
requirement to use parted. You do need GPT partition table for
larger than 2TB.
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111[01:09:54] <jmcnaught> Gerowen: do it unfreeze on its own?
Can you still move the mouse?
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112[01:10:37] <Gerowen> jmcnaught: Negative, whole system locks
up and I have to hard kill.
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116[01:14:56] <jmcnaught> Gerowen: you can look in
/var/log/syslog, the final entries before the new boot may have some
clues
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117[01:15:37] <jmcnaught> If you're running Xorg (and not
GNOME + Wayland) look for ~/.xsession-errors
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119[01:17:23] <Gerowen> jcmcnaught: Right now I'm using
Wayland, but before I swithced to Debian it happened using Ubuntu
and Xorg as well.
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120[01:17:38] <Gerowen> That's why I was thinking something
to do with Firefox or perhaps Gnome shell since I was using that DE
on both.
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122[01:18:08] <jmcnaught> It doesn't happen for me with
firefox-esr, GNOME and Wayland in buster.
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123[01:18:13] <Gerowen> I'll definitely take a look at the
system log and see if there's anything of interest in there.
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125[01:18:38] <Gerowen> I wonder if it could be related to my
APU; it's a Ryzen 5 2500U with Vega 8 integrated.
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126[01:18:48] <Gerowen> Perhaps something with the Vega
graphics.
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130[01:19:31] <jmcnaught> Gerowen: if it keeps happening you may
find it useful to be able to see the system and user logs all in one
place. In that case see the note in
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian about making your journal
persistent.
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131[01:20:19] <jmcnaught> Then you can use a command like
"journalctl --boot=-1 -e" to jump to the end of the
journal of the previous boot.
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132[01:21:07] <jmcnaught> Oh, and if you add your user to the
adm and/or systemd-journal group you will be able to see system logs
without being root, that's how you can see a combined
user+system journal.
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138[01:24:50] <CrystalMath> hi
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140[01:24:57] <CrystalMath> how do i change the
freetype:interpreter-version in debian?
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142[01:25:49] <CrystalMath> the arch wiki mentions
/etc/profile.d/freetype2.sh
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143[01:26:02] <CrystalMath> but there's no such thing in
debian
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160[01:45:32] <Gerowen> Alrighty, it looks like I might have to
wait until it happens again, there's a lot in the log and I
can't quite remember the time that it happened last.
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161[01:47:29] <jmcnaught> Gerowen: in syslog if you search for
"Linux version" this is the first line of a fresh boot, so
you can look above that line. The key to search in less is /
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163[01:48:27] <gorilla> karlpinc: Nice one.
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167[01:50:17] <kreyren> help_wanted:
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179[01:57:56] <Mirela99> If you are h0rny right now, check what
I have prepared for you! -->
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254[03:01:43] <usrdev> is anyone else having issues with SSH on
a freshly created Deb10 box? i see the service is online and
listening but connection remains refused. i have to then restart the
service and all is well. but rebooting the device causes the service
to stop responding again. a few items from logs etc:
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255[03:02:00] <usrdev> i just noticed: Active: activating
(start-pre) since Wed 2019-07-24 20:56:49 EDT; 51s ago
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260[03:02:52] <usrdev>
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263[03:04:24] <jmcnaught> usrdev: is this a VM? Buster seems to
require more entropy at boot which can delay services like ssh.
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265[03:05:04] <usrdev> it is in fact a VM
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267[03:05:36] <jmcnaught> usrdev: try adding a virtio_rng device
to the VM
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268[03:06:26] <jezebel> if you are running out of entropy,
wouldnt it show up in /var/log/messages?
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269[03:07:10] <jmcnaught> That would be a good place to look. I
don't know because this issue hasn't happened for me.
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271[03:08:02] <usrdev> what i see in messages,
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273[03:08:34] <usrdev> weird - never had this issue before. the
link referenced suggested it's for stretch > buster. this is
a fresh install of buster, but seems the same issue.
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275[03:09:31] <jmcnaught> I don't think it's an issue
only for upgraded systems, that wiki page was probably just written
before buster was released. The issue is mentioned in the buster
release notes as well.
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276[03:09:47] <usrdev> ah okay
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277[03:09:54] <usrdev> i'll try the tip given to me and see
if that helps. thanks all. :)
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279[03:12:13] <jezebel> should also check /var/log/daemon.log or
wherever ssh is set to log
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283[03:12:42] <jmcnaught> 'journalctl -u ssh'
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284[03:14:23] <jezebel> you can tell i'm not a systemd
person ;)
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285[03:14:39] <CaptainDusty> usrdev: I did read something about
the service taking a while to start recently.
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286[03:15:31] <usrdev> so that tip worked.
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287[03:15:32] <CaptainDusty> Right. Already sorted by jmcnaught
- ignore me ;)
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288[03:15:34] <usrdev> SSH service right up at reboot.
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290[03:15:40] <usrdev> 👍
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291[03:15:55] <jmcnaught> usrdev: good to know
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297[03:20:02] <jezebel> because this is a vm, have you looked
into the hypervisor side of things? is the virtual NIC driver a bit
slow to load?
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307[03:27:54] <usrdev> i use proxmox, so added it to the guest
configuration. if that’s what you mean?
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308[03:28:01] <usrdev> config
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309[03:29:02] <pagetelegram> I have latest Debian and trouble
finding a sip software that is just plain dialer. Don't need
heavy and fancy...just a phone over voip. dependencies that are
outdated is a big issue finding something.
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327[03:37:17] <CaptainDusty> pagetelegram: Is that with contrib
and non-free too?
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328[03:38:07] <pagetelegram> contrib, haven't added
non-free to repos.
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329[03:38:34] <CaptainDusty> pagetelegram: Personally; I run
with neither, but it doesn't impact business requirements for
me.
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330[03:38:38] <pagetelegram> just installed successor to
sflphone called ring...though not sure how to execute
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331[03:39:29] <jmcnaught> ring got renamed to jami
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334[03:40:50] <CaptainDusty> pagetelegram: Probably important to
also note; this isn't so much a `Debian` issue. You may find
that a lot of these packages, and their dependencies, are not
licence-compatible - or simply have no maintainer.
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339[03:44:22] <jmcnaught> ,i twinkle
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340[03:44:24] <judd> Package twinkle (comm, optional) in
buster/amd64: Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) SIP Phone (GUI).
Version: 1:1.10.1+dfsg-4; Size: 1467.6k; Installed: 5543k; Homepage:
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344[03:44:54] <jmcnaught> pagetelegram: I found above by
searching apt for 'voip', not sure if you tried this one.
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345[03:46:29] <pagetelegram> About 5 hours of searching ....
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350[03:49:33] <pagetelegram> Tried linphone and doenst allow @
in user name....will try twinkle though was searching initially by
screenshots and just want a simple dialer...not all the crazy stuff
of video etc. Thanks tho
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357[03:51:58] <brutser> when i configure lightdm to
automatically login the default user, it's taking quite some
time and the screen stays black until i start move my mouse.. debian
10 with lightdm + mate installed
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430[05:02:14] <kreyren> ,v nvidia-drivers
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431[05:02:15] <judd> No package named 'nvidia-drivers'
was found in amd64.
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432[05:02:18] <kreyren> damn
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442[05:08:32] <kreyren> Is there an easy way to get
nvidia-drivers and it's deps on bullseye from experimental
repo?
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446[05:08:54] <jmcnaught> !debian-next
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447[05:08:54] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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448[05:09:09] <kreyren> none answers on debian-next
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449[05:09:13] <kreyren> like ever
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450[05:09:38] <jmcnaught> I see people answer in there every day
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451[05:10:05] <kreyren> i never got any help with things that i
asked in there and ended up resolving them myself.. just answer me
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452[05:10:20] <kreyren> i need to cherrypick packages from
experimental repo
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453[05:11:11] <jmcnaught> People who know about pulling from
experimental are in #debian-next, this channel is for Debian stable
support.
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454[05:11:28] <kreyren> fine ;-;
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455[05:12:43] <kreyren> figured it out it doesnt seem to pull
experimental stuff unless -t experimental is used
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537[06:30:49] <NoobieWanKenobi> Hello, since a week firefox
keeps crashing on my debian 9. I tried installing multiple firefox
versions but they still kept crashing. My guess is the issue is with
my system configs or some package, I want to get to the root of this
issue. Where can I find the logs for this issue?
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540[06:33:27] <cshzg> +NoobieWanKenobi: have you launched it
from console?
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547[06:38:06] <NoobieWanKenobi> cshzg tried firefox -vv but it
doesn't give anything, firfox crashes right away without even
starting.
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548[06:38:23] <petn-randall> NoobieWanKenobi: If you launch it
from the console, what output do you get? →
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557[06:45:52] <zapproger> Does anyone know accurate statistics
on Linux Server Marketshare. Especially on Debian?
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559[06:46:36] <zapproger> Does anyone know where*
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561[06:47:54] <cshzg> Moondhum: try firefox --safe-mode
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568[06:52:26] <Moondhum> petn-randall this is what i get in
conxole firefox
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570[06:53:09] <alkisg> Moondhum: how did you install various
firefox versions, and what does `dpkg --print-architecture` says?
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571[06:53:23] <Epakai> curious about other languages than python
in jupyter. are the debian packages old, or are other language
kernels just not packaged? perhaps i'm just unfamiliar and
missed it
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573[06:55:42] <Epakai> found the right search term, they appear
not packaged
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575[07:02:44] <alkisg> Can I ask new(bie) maintainer questions
here, or is there a more appropriate channel for that? For example,
when uploading a package, do we need to upload the .deb as well, or
do the .deb files get generated in the debian servers?
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576[07:04:00] <Moondhum> alkisg I extracted firefox.tar.gz2 in
/opt and soft linked firefox to apt installed firefox-esr `ln -s
/opt/firefox/firefox/firefox /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr`
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577[07:04:08] <Epakai> alkisg: #debian-mentors on OFTC, but my
experience was uploading a deb for one arch and the others were
built automatically
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578[07:04:18] <alkisg> Thank you Epakai
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579[07:04:45] <alkisg> Moondhum: and the output of `dpkg
--print-architecture` ?
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581[07:04:57] <Moondhum> alkisg it's amd64
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582[07:05:23] <alkisg> I think you should start by uninstalling
all the non-debian firefox versions, and reverting to the debian one
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583[07:06:04] <alkisg> Once you have that, you may test with
another user (or temporarily renaming .mozilla to create a new
profile), to see if it's a user or system wide issue
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589[07:11:27] <Moondhum> alkisg I'll start by trying that,
thank you.
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602[07:19:12] <drunk1> beer pls
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603[07:19:23] <Moondhum> alkisg where can I find the logs for
this firefox crashing issue?
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869[09:46:36] <thms> Hi... When X forwarding an app,
gnome-keyring asks for a password but.. on the remote monitor. So
basically X forwarding only works if I'm in front of both
computers
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870[09:47:05] <thms> Some people say it's dangerous to
uninstall it.
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871[09:47:32] <thms> What do you guys think ?
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874[09:49:25] <x0n> thms, have a look at x2go. it's the
best solution for desktop sharing and forwarding apps on linux IMO
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875[09:50:25] <x0n> although I might have misread your question.
still, x2go is worth checking out :)
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876[09:50:25] <thms> I have ssh already installed, with -X
option, and you want me to use something else ? no thanks.
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877[09:50:54] <thms> But thanks, I will :) But I'd like to
stick with ssh
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878[09:51:04] <x0n> x2go is basically NX OSS repackaged. it
tunnels over ssh too
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880[09:52:32] <x0n> when the free proprietary NX server for
linux went under, it was the FOSS project that got it mostly right
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882[09:52:39] <gidna> Hello
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885[09:53:59] <annadane> olleH
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886[09:54:10] <Lirion> EHLO
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888[09:54:18] <colo-work> x2go is slowly being asphyxiated by
"modern" DEs and browsers requiring opengl acceleration
(and dropping xrender support) though
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889[09:54:25] <colo-work> so the party probably won't go on
forever
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891[09:54:50] <gidna> I've installed debian+xfce, when I
log in I'd like to use Icewm but there is no way to select it
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894[09:55:44] <rant> xpra is another that is pretty good
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895[09:55:46] <Haohmaru> lxde/openbox allows you to easily
change the DE components
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896[09:55:51] <alkisg> thms: try using ssh -X dbus-launch app,
so that the application gets its own dbus, instead of reusing the
one on the server
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898[09:56:04] <rant> I've been using xpra and x2go myself
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901[09:57:25] <alkisg> It's sad that there's no
widespread remote desktop application yet for wayland, which is
supposed to be the debian default option in buster...
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905[09:57:59] <alkisg> x2go can't ever work in wayland,
right? So pipewire and rdp will be the only options?
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910[10:01:02] <gidna> How can I switch from a WM to another?
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911[10:01:16] <Haohmaru> i tried this Enlightment DE thing, i
heard it has "wayland"
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912[10:01:21] <Haohmaru> it's aweful
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913[10:01:25] <rant> gidna: thats a more involved question than
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914[10:01:34] <alkisg> gidna: what's the output of this? ls
/usr/share/xsessions
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916[10:01:51] <Haohmaru> gidna usually you could just run the
new window manager with --replace (if it has it)
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917[10:02:00] <rant> gidna: you can simply run most wm with a
--replace parameter, but switching it more permanetly within a DE or
session is dependant on which you are using
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918[10:02:01] <Haohmaru> but it's gonna be temporary
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919[10:02:14] <gidna> alkisg, icewm-session.desktop
lightdm-xsession.desktop xfce.desktop
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921[10:02:47] <alkisg> And doesn't icewm-session show when
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924[10:03:20] <gidna> no it doesn't I can only input user
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925[10:03:31] <rant> you need to look closer
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926[10:03:38] <alkisg> There's usually a gear icon or
something. Which greeter are you using? ps aux | grep greeter
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927[10:03:40] <rant> there is iirc, a gear in the top right
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the various drop down menus
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931[10:04:04] <gidna> gidna 2517 0.0 0.0 6076 856 pts/0 S+ 10:03
0:00 grep greeter
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937[10:04:51] <alkisg> you probably need to logout for the
greeter to run again (and run that from a vt).. what about: dpkg -l
| grep greeter
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939[10:05:19] <rant> alkisg: you are just running this user in
circles
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942[10:06:02] <rant> alkisg: I implore you to check your
"env" there are env vars for what you are looking for
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943[10:06:10] <rant> and this question has already been answered
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944[10:06:39] <rant> if they're too dense to click the
icons around the screen, they're not gonna get it from banging
rocks on the VT with grep
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945[10:06:41] <ploukaille> Bonjour
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946[10:06:42] <alkisg> My "env" won't show the
xfce greeter, I don't know which one he's using
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947[10:06:49] <diogenes_> rant is ranting again :)
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949[10:07:26] <rant>
XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm/data/user
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950[10:07:32] <Haohmaru> that's so unexpected of him
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951[10:07:38] <alkisg> rant: do you know what a greeter is?
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952[10:07:51] <alkisg> It's not the display manager, but
the greeter that shows the gear
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953[10:08:08] <rant> env | grep \/.*dm.*\/
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954[10:08:12] <gidna> alkisg, lightdm-gtk-greeter
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955[10:08:41] <Haohmaru> okay, that one certainly has a butten
(or so) where you can change the session
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958[10:08:48] <rant> alkisg: oh, I'm sorry, was that
XDG_DISPLAY_MANAGER_DATA_DIR?
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959[10:08:49] <Haohmaru> if you have multiple DEs
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961[10:09:57] <Haohmaru>
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962[10:10:09] <Haohmaru> on the left side of the language thing
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963[10:10:45] <gidna> ok let me try
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965[10:11:02] <alkisg> rant: I don't have an
XDG_DISPLAY_MANAGER_DATA_DIR variable, sorry
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966[10:11:27] * Haohmaru donates one to alkisg
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967[10:11:35] <alkisg> ty! :D
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968[10:11:47] <rant> alkisg: yeah, well its rather unfortunate
.. heh
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970[10:12:27] * alkisg was exploring all the lightdm greeters a couple
of weeks ago for a pam module I'm working on...
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972[10:12:50] <alkisg> Without a screenshot, environment
variables can only say so much :)
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973[10:13:14] <alkisg> They vary even between versions, not just
between greeters/themes
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974[10:13:23] <Haohmaru> i rotated my monitor with xorg.conf.d
stuff, and it affects even lightdm (noice)
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975[10:13:24] <rant> without a thing on your neck that works for
something other than a hatrack, bashing around with grep in a shell
can only do so much
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977[10:13:38] <rant> all greeters/dms work the same for the most
part, somewhere you click on somehting and it has a session list
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978[10:13:45] <rant> click around and figure it out :P
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979[10:14:06] <alkisg> How do people handle rant here usually?
Just ignore him? :)
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980[10:14:16] <Haohmaru> btw, i noticed at home, when my
debian10 is booting (somewhere after grub, when it changes to a
high-resolution text mode) - the background is not black but dark
gray
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981[10:14:29] <Haohmaru> this doesn't happen on the other
debian10s i have
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984[10:15:05] <rant> Haohmaru: maybe you have your monitor way
too bright?
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985[10:15:26] <Haohmaru> thing is, i like this (it would help
dumb VGA monitors to correctly adjust themselves as resolution
changes)
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986[10:15:29] <Haohmaru> no
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987[10:15:37] <rant> if its not the display itself, then its
probably related to the graphics driver used.. either way it doesnt
much sound like an issue
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988[10:15:51] <Haohmaru> no, it's not an issue
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990[10:16:17] <Haohmaru> in fact, if there's a way to
configure the text mode stuff to change the background color -
that'd be nice
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992[10:16:36] <rant> there is.. depending on what you want to
achieve specifically
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993[10:16:44] <rant> setterm can change it for example
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994[10:16:47] <Haohmaru> otherwise VGA monitors decide that the
screen begins from the first non-black pixel they see, and
that's usually the blinking cursor
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995[10:16:50] <rant> but may not be what you're after
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997[10:17:17] <ratrace> Haohmaru: maybe vt.color?
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1001[10:18:31] <rant>
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1002[10:18:37] <Haohmaru> i guess these are added to grub.conf
thing and then you call update-grub thing?
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1003[10:18:49] <rant> why do people always seem to use random
docs unstead of the official ones :P
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1006[10:19:24] <Haohmaru> rant probably cuz search engines try to
be "clever" with the results
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1007[10:19:30] <EmleyMoor> rant: higher hits on Google?
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1008[10:19:31] <rant> Haohmaru: you can add them to
/etc/default/grub under GRUB_COMMANDLINE_LINUX and then update grub,
yes
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1009[10:19:44] <rant> kernel.org for v4.15 was first hit for me
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1010[10:19:52] <Haohmaru> right, thanks
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1011[10:19:56] <rant> I changed it to 4.19 cause I know what
buster uses
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1013[10:20:12] <gidna> How can I disable logs in xchat?
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1014[10:20:16] <Haohmaru> i don't use google for searching
anymore
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1015[10:20:27] <Haohmaru> FU google
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1016[10:20:43] <rant> I tried searx for awhile, and DDG but went
back to google cause it gave me better results
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1019[10:20:57] <Haohmaru> i'm sticking to duckduckgo for now
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1020[10:21:18] <rant> way I see it, not using google isn't
stopping google from datamining me.. they're everywhere
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1022[10:21:29] <Haohmaru> my muscle memory even learnt to type it
instead of "google" >:)
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1023[10:21:49] <rant> chances are if you actually address the
google mining, you can still use google just the same, and if you
don't address it, doesnt matter if you use it or not
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1024[10:22:07] <Haohmaru> yes, they're everywhere, but i can
avoid them as much as i can
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1026[10:22:41] <thms> <alkisg> thms: try using ssh -X
dbus-launch app, so that the application gets its own dbus, instead
of reusing the one on the server -> will try
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1027[10:22:49] <Haohmaru> don't wanna see their stupid logo
that changes almost everyday
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1029[10:24:18] <alexande1> is there a https-only apt option?
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1031[10:26:37] <rant> dpkg, what is apt https?
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1032[10:26:38] <dpkg> rant: what are you talking about?
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1033[10:26:43] <rant> dpkg, apt https?
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1034[10:26:43] <dpkg>
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1035[10:27:11] <rant> that opinion has changed slightly but..
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1038[10:29:12] <alexande1> i use a public
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1039[10:29:13] <alexande1> wifi
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1041[10:30:04] <alexande1> and it redirects my apt requests to
its login page, but it seems to work for https pages (and e.g.
weechat?) (is there other similar option)
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1044[10:31:39] <rant> alexande1: perhaps tor would help with that
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1045[10:32:38] <rant>
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1046[10:33:11] <alexande1> i mostly need to somehow install a
bash browser like elinks: is there a different way (e.g. directly
download it)
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1048[10:33:44] <ratrace> while on this subject, are debian
packages built by a central building system or are they built by
maintainers on their computers, then uploaded in their finished .deb
form?
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1049[10:33:55] <rant> yes, you could fetch links2, w3m, or such
directly but you may also need dependencies
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1051[10:34:07] <rant> ratrace: both
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1053[10:34:58] <alexande1> rant is there like a easy way to find
out those links: as currently i navigate only with curl/wget (e.g. a
debian help page with all of them
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1054[10:34:59] <rant> ratrace: typically initially they are
probaby built manually then once they are in Debian they are usually
auto-generated but its still a little of both
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1056[10:35:15] <rant> ratrace: look into tracker.debian.org and
salsa.debian.org perhaps
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1057[10:35:35] <rant> ratrace: and of course try asking these
kinds of questions in developer circles like #debian-mentors on OFTC
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1058[10:36:01] <rant> alexande1: debian 10 amd64?
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1059[10:36:05] <DerDer> hey rant
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1060[10:36:17] <gidna> in /home/gidna/.icewm I don't see any
configuration file. What's the difference between those in
/usr/share/icewm/ and those in /home/gidna/.icewm ??
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1061[10:36:21] <DerDer> rant: i bricked my filesystem and
accidentally installed 10 instead of 9
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1062[10:36:35] <ratrace> rant: sure, thanks
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1064[10:36:45] <ayekat> gidna: the ones in /usr/share are
examples/defaults; the one in your home directory is for your user
specifically and meant to be edited
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1066[10:37:11] <alexande1> rant: not totally sure: i use ubuntu
19.04 on x64
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1067[10:37:26] <ayekat> gidna: and if there is no configuration
file there, it probably means you have write one :-)
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1068[10:37:38] <rant> alexande1: then wtf are you asking here?
this is #debian
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1070[10:37:53] <alexande1> well i suspect apt works the same way
on both
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1071[10:38:04] <alexande1> its not a ubuntu-specific issue at all
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1072[10:38:09] <rant> alexande1: this has nothing to do with apt,
and we support debian here, not its derivitives
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1073[10:38:11] <gidna> ayekat, ok but now where Does icewm read
the configuration options? /usr/share/icewm ??
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1075[10:38:31] <rant> its highly ubuntu-specific.. you're
asking how to directly download something.. if you had debian
I'd tell you packages.debian.org
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1076[10:38:46] <ayekat> gidna: I imagine that it first tries to
read your user configuration, and if it doesn't find it, it
falls back to a system-wide default configuration
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1077[10:38:52] <alexande1> sorry, i didnt realize that!
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1078[10:39:01] <alexande1> i thought ubuntu downloads the same
apt packages as debian
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1079[10:39:07] <ayekat> gidna: I don't use icewm, so I
don't know where or what those files exactly are, though
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1080[10:39:11] <rant> !ubuntu
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1081[10:39:11] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1082[10:39:36] <gidna> so it does not read /usr/share/icewm?
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1083[10:39:37] <ayekat> gidna: if your question is "where
are the example/default config files?", I'd take a look at
the list of files the package installs (dpkg -L {package}, I
believe)
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1084[10:40:01] <alexande1> yes, i thought the "use apt on
wifi which redirects http pages" might be ok for debian, but i
see the issue, sorry
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1085[10:40:03] <ratrace> alexande1: ubuntu takes most packages
from sid every 6 months, and then repackages, modifies, does stuff
to them so it's for all intents and purposes a completely
separate distribution that only shares the initial package sources
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1087[10:40:20] <rant> ubuntu has greatly changed their package
system.. you need only look at the horrific code that implements
"ppa
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1089[10:40:24] <rant> to see this
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1090[10:40:44] <alexande1> i am sorry, makes sense, i always
thought they mostly reuse the same stuff
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1092[10:41:30] <Haohmaru> they take debian and make it fuggly
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1093[10:41:37] <ayekat> gidna: see the icewm man page, section
'files'
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1094[10:41:49] <ayekat> gidna: it appears it does read it, but
only if it doesn't find any of the other files
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1095[10:42:48] <gidna> ayekat, which page?
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1096[10:42:58] <ayekat> icewm
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1098[10:43:05] <rant> only thing I know of that is basically
debian is armbian.. they have maybe a dozen packages on their repos,
which are just kernels and hw support, and they dist their own
custom images for specific hw and have a couple scripts but are
otherwise 100% unmodified debian packages.. LMDE is similar, but
still isn't debian.. and they change a bit more than armbian
does..
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1102[10:46:08] <IpSo> Anyone have any ideas of how I can recover
from a boot loop? After the grub menu, even trying "Recovery
mode" kernel, it just spews some text on the screen so fast I
can't read it, then reboots back to the grub menu.
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1103[10:46:37] <Haohmaru> eek
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1104[10:46:42] <Haohmaru> can you press Pause?
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1105[10:47:07] <IpSo> Haohmaru, its too fast. :(
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1106[10:47:32] <Haohmaru> switch the CPU to 1st gear ;P~
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1108[10:47:46] <Haohmaru> press the breaks half-way
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1109[10:47:56] <IpSo> hah, I wish
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1113[10:48:16] <Haohmaru> tilt the whole computer so that
it's like "uphill"
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1114[10:48:20] <rant> there is probably a kernel param that tells
it to halt on error.. afaik that was default behavior on linux
kernels
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1115[10:48:42] <rant> which makes me think the kernel is never
executing
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1116[10:48:57] <rant> and the issue is with grub and a failure to
ever load/execute the kernel
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1117[10:49:09] <EoflaOE> IpSo: Can you try passing panic=0 to the
kernel parameter and see if it stops on kernel panic?
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1119[10:49:26] <IpSo> EoflaOE, tried that too, didn't seem
to make a difference. :(
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1120[10:50:05] <gidna> ayekat, so can I modify the files in
/ush/shareicewm given the fact I'm the only user using this PC?
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1121[10:50:37] <Haohmaru> that's not a good excuse, gidna
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1122[10:51:11] <Haohmaru> if you do naughty things you're
gonna break your debian
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1123[10:52:09] <gidna> Haohmaru, ok so it is better to copy the
content of /usr/share/icewm in /home/gidna/.icewm and modify the
latter
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1124[10:52:36] <Haohmaru> i think you are allowed to modify stuff
mostly in /etc/ and a few other places, *carefully*
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1125[10:52:47] <Haohmaru> no idea what you're trying to do
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1127[10:53:02] <Haohmaru> i was just talking in general from my
experience
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1128[10:53:13] <Haohmaru> i've broken a few linuxes :~(
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1177[11:15:04] <gidna> the vi editor on debian as an unexpected
behavior respect other vi I used in the past
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1179[11:15:56] <gidna> when I press arrow down it prints letters
like A B
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1180[11:16:25] <ayekat> ah, they're back - I get to do it
\o/ gidna: don't modify files in /usr, and it's cleaner to
use ~/.config/icewm/ instead of ~/.icewm
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1181[11:16:48] <Haohmaru> if i end up with "vi"
running, i just give up and reset the computer
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1183[11:17:06] <ayekat> gidna: you're probably not supposed
to use arrows in vi - hjkl is there for moving the cursor
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1185[11:17:33] <ratrace> gidna: you're not supposed to press
arrow down in vim, but k :)
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1186[11:17:41] <ayekat> k is up
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1187[11:17:44] <ratrace> ah yes, j
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1190[11:18:41] <gidna> also in input mode?
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1193[11:19:27] <ayekat> in input mode you don't move around
the cursor - you type stuff
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1194[11:19:33] <ratrace> you're not supposed to navigate in
input mode
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1195[11:19:48] <ratrace> really just use nano ; if you want to
use vim, then *use* vim :)
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1196[11:20:13] <ayekat> also yeah, you probably want vim rather
than plain vi - even though for learning the basics, both work fine
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1198[11:20:40] <ayekat> but vim has handy things like undo
history (rather than just "undo the last action")
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1199[11:20:42] <ratrace> vi just runs vim in compat mode
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1209[11:25:11] <gidna> when I press the blank button <- it
doesn't erase any character
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1211[11:25:21] <ayekat> what is the "blank button"?
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1214[11:25:56] <EoflaOE> Do you mean backspace?
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1215[11:26:10] <gidna> yes
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1216[11:26:45] <EoflaOE> gidna: What is your Debian version?
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1221[11:28:05] <gidna> 4.19.0-5-amd64
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1222[11:28:22] <EoflaOE> gidna: And are you in vi or vim? Or any
text box?
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1224[11:29:31] <gidna> vi
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1227[11:31:32] <ayekat> backspace in insert mode doesn't
exactly erase the character (until you exit insert mode, at least)
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1230[11:32:38] <ayekat> and it also only works on the text part
that you have written since entering insert mode - i.e. you
can't just `i` and then start hitting backspace to delete
characters that were already there before
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1234[11:33:18] <ayekat> (so yeah, you probably want vim, for
these things to work)
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1238[11:34:44] <gidna> ayekat, on fedora I was using vi not vim
and these things worked
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1239[11:35:08] <ayekat> there are multiple implementations of vi
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1240[11:35:30] <ayekat> it may be just vim in compatibility mode,
or another program
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1241[11:36:26] <ayekat> in the end, though, vi is rather limited
(at least in comparison with vim)
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1296[12:01:59] <gidna> I'm trying to copy my dictionary
with:
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1297[12:02:00] <gidna> sudo sort -o words words && cp
words /usr/share/dict/words
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1298[12:02:09] <gidna> but I get: sudo sort -o words words
&& cp words /usr/share/dict/words
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1300[12:02:23] <gidna> sorry I get: cp: cannot create regular
file '/usr/share/dict/words': Permission denied
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1303[12:03:18] <alkisg> gidna: if you copy files to /usr/, they
get overwritten when you run apt full-upgrade and there's a new
version of that package. Just dont. :)
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1306[12:04:38] <alkisg> For /usr/share/dict/words, it's a
symlink to /etc/dictionaries-common/words, so you're supposed
to change the symlink to what you need. Not /usr, but /etc.
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1307[12:04:41] <gidna> I need my version of the dictionary...
that I can use with look
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1309[12:05:02] <alkisg> (possibly using update-alternatives, but
anyway plain symlink should also do)
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1316[12:06:37] <alkisg> gidna: so: sudo ln -rsf your-words-file
/etc/dictionaries-common/words
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1317[12:06:38] <ayekat> gidna: I don't know/use dict, but I
would be surprised if there was no way to put dictionary entries
into user-specific locations
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1318[12:06:45] <ayekat> instead of copying them to a system-wide
location
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1320[12:07:17] <gidna> as root it allowed me to overwite that
file, why not with sudo?
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1321[12:07:18] <ayekat> after all, it supports a per-user
~/.dictrc according to the manpage, so it should certainly be
possible to add custom paths for dictionary entries
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1322[12:07:42] <ayekat> gidna: because you run `sort` as root
there, not `cp`
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1323[12:08:12] <gidna> ahh so to run multi commands have I to
sudo each command??
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1324[12:09:11] <ayekat> gidna: there are no "multi
commands" - foo && bar means "run bar only if foo
succeeds"
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1325[12:09:27] <ayekat> gidna: but technically yes - then again,
there is absolutely no need to run `sort` as root
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1328[12:10:08] <ayekat> but even more fundamentally, again, there
is probably also no need to copy the file into a system-wide
directory
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1337[12:15:47] <ratrace> anyone running (say) windows in a vm
with gpu passthru? i know you need two gpus so your host can use
one, and you dedicate the other to the vm ; but what about keyboard
and mice? got an extra pair?
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1342[12:18:50] <pyfgcr> ayekat: acually foo && bar means
evaluate the truth value of the expression <return value of
foo> AND <return value of bar>
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1343[12:19:32] <pyfgcr> so if foo doesn't return 0 the value
is false and there is no need to run bar
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1348[12:20:54] <ayekat> yes, technically it's that
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1359[12:25:59] <rant> running multiple commands with sudo is
rather trivial, see the above paste
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1360[12:26:21] <alkisg> ratrace: afaik you can either assign
keyboard/mice to the vm as usb devices, or use them normally in both
the host and the vm
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1361[12:26:33] <alkisg> The first option makes it a multiseat
system
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1368[12:29:32] <ratrace> alkisg: but the latter only works if you
have local display with something like spice, right? if you gpu
passthrough, you run the vm basically windowless on the host
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1369[12:31:03] <alkisg> ratrace: yes I guess you're right,
so you'd probably need something like synergy to share them
without help from the hypervisor
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1370[12:31:34] <ratrace> i was thinking either two usb hubs, each
on dedicated usb port, or a kvm switch, or just get another
kbd+mouse :)
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1374[12:32:40] <ratrace> or technically i can just give the
kbd+mouse to the windows vm while it's running ; it'll be
like dualbooting (would have to poweroff the vm to get control of
the host back), but it'll be a vm still
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1375[12:34:15] <alkisg> ratrace: it should be possible to script
the forwarding of the mouse/keyboard as usb devices to the guest
without rebooting, so e.g. F12 would forward to guest, hmm, and some
other event like gently pressing the power button or another mouse
would unhook them
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1377[12:34:40] <alkisg> Or moving the mouse to another usb port,
something like that
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1380[12:35:10] <alkisg> ratrace: which hypervisor are you using?
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1384[12:36:18] <alkisg> (or scripting windows to send a packet on
f12, to get the mouse back)
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1385[12:36:27] <ratrace> alkisg: qemu-system-x86_64
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1386[12:36:50] <alkisg> ratrace: is gpu passthrough stable enough
with that? With which cards are you doing it?
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1387[12:37:15] <ratrace> alkisg: intel on the host, nvidia in the
vm, yes i know i have to hack it a bit to get nvidia working,
it's just a matter of cpuid
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1390[12:37:37] <ratrace> alkisg: from what i read online,
it's supposedly very stable, with MS additions to the kvm
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1393[12:38:14] <alkisg> Nice; I wanted to try it on my laptop but
afaik it doesn't work with optimus, and I don't really
need it on the desktop...
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1399[12:40:15] <ratrace> alkisg: we'll see ; steam works
great for me with proton, games like doom and wolfenstein:{new
order,oldblood} and warhammer and some others work glitchless ; but
i want destiny2 and supposedly the brick your account if the system
detects you're in wine
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1401[12:40:42] <ratrace> %s/the brick/they brick/
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1406[12:43:00] <alkisg> Hah. I wonder if it's legal to do
that.
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1430[12:55:54] <ZaZaGX> do i need to download all the debian dvd
1,2,3 in order to install debian 10?
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1432[12:56:30] <thms_> !stretch->buster
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1433[12:56:30] <colo-work> if you have a working internet
connection during installation, just get the netinstall image
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1434[12:56:37] <thms_> !upgrade
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1435[12:56:37] <dpkg> Upgrades keep your box from getting r00ted
and reboots let you run new kernels. Stop obsessing about uptime
already. It's not 1996. Refresh the lists of available packages
"apt update", and then an "apt upgrade". Ask me
about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of
Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about
<stretch->buster>.
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1436[12:57:13] <ZaZaGX> yes i do have the internet via wifi, but
the netinstall iso doesn't boot up via usb flash drive
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1441[12:58:16] <ratrace> thms_:
replaced-url
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1448[13:01:26] <thms_> Mh. But I see there are issues with
virtualbox which I really need for my certification
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1449[13:01:41] <thms_> I assume I can just keep the version I
already have, right ?
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1451[13:02:00] <ZaZaGX> how do i combine all DVD 1,2,3 all
together?
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1463[13:07:38] <ratrace> thms_: you can keep running stretch,
yes, it hasn't expired yet ; but what issues with virtualbox?
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1466[13:08:06] <thms_> ratrace, that it will not be in buster
repos, just this.
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1471[13:08:57] <thms_> I hope virtualbox packages maintainer will
sort this out because ... I don't want to have to use vmware.
Most sites provide either .ova or .vmdk, let's be honest.
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1473[13:09:38] <colo-work> is anyone of you using fail2ban on
Debian buster? can you confirm that fail2ban creates its custom
filter chains only after at least one client has been banned through
it?
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1474[13:09:43] <thms_> I've heard converting .ova does not
always work flawlessly
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1475[13:09:49] <ratrace> thms_: the problem is not in the
maintainer, but in upstream, i see
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1476[13:09:50] <ratrace> bug 794466
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1480[13:10:40] <ratrace> eh i thought the bot would pick it
up....
replaced-url
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1481[13:10:41] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1484[13:11:29] <ratrace> thms_: do you need virtualbox btw? can
your use case be covered by qemu-kvm?
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1489[13:12:25] <thms_> ratrace, at this very moment yes because
of a certification I'll be taking.
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1492[13:13:12] <ratrace> thms_: what certification, if i may ask?
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1494[13:13:20] <thms_> OSCP PWK
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1495[13:13:53] <ratrace> oh. well, good luck :)
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1496[13:13:53] <thms_> Actually they require VMWare, but I have a
full workflow with vbox, I've been training, I've my env
prepaired, I also use vulnhub VMs
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1533[13:29:39] <ratrace> is there some project like "debian
specific PPAs" coming up for debian?
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1536[13:30:54] <themill> there has been talk of it for a while
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1538[13:31:07] <ratrace> been reading the mailing lists about
this situation with virtualbox and Rhonda (D'Vine) mentioned it
; so now I'm wondering
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1541[13:31:21] <luna> Facebook does not like 43mb pictures in raw
format
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1549[13:33:57] <Haohmaru> raw as in, raw from a DSLR?
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1558[13:39:40] <ayekat> why would you upload raw picture files to
facebook, though?
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1569[13:44:38] <Haohmaru> no idea
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1571[13:44:41] <Haohmaru> lazyness?
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1572[13:45:22] <Haohmaru> if you gonna be lazy then shoot jpeg
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1573[13:45:57] <ayekat> yeah, but if you want to showcase your
picture somewhere, you want the finished product, not the raw
picture information
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1574[13:47:10] <ayekat> it's like throwing mud at someone
and going "here, look at my clay figure!"
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1575[13:47:42] <koollman> ayekat: well, it's facebook. mud
throwing is expected
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1576[13:47:57] <ayekat> true as well
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1578[13:48:15] <koollman> it's not exactly a place for
finished products and finalized images
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1584[13:49:57] <ayekat> I consider raw picture files like source
code - doesn't make sense to ship it as-is, people probably
want to compiled and executable file
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1586[13:50:38] <Haohmaru> well, it usually contains way more info
than can actually be seen
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1587[13:50:39] <humbug_humbug> how do I make the system
notification popup for software upgrades stop showing up every 24
hours bugging me to upgrade to Buster?
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1590[13:51:00] <Haohmaru> aww, humbug_humbug.. are you on kde or
something?
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1591[13:51:07] <Haohmaru> i don't get any nag screens
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1592[13:51:21] <humbug_humbug> Gnome 2.0 / Classic I think?
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1593[13:51:36] <Haohmaru> i'd guess it's a gnome thing
then
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1594[13:51:37] <pyfgcr> humbug_humbug: I think gnome2 is now
called mate
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1595[13:51:43] <EoflaOE> humbug_humbug Which debian version?
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1596[13:51:55] <humbug_humbug> Yes, my bad. Mate.
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1597[13:52:10] <Haohmaru> check its settings then
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1598[13:52:12] <humbug_humbug> Deb 9 Stretch
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1601[13:53:56] <pyfgcr> humbug_humbug: also check if there are
scripts in autostart doing that
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1603[13:55:18] <pyfgcr> and: does the application producing the
popup have a panel icon?
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1607[13:58:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys i am trying to get lt
network-manager-l2tp
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1608[13:58:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> but im running old stab
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1610[13:58:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> old stable..
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1612[13:58:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> i dont want to upgrade to stable
atm, is there a way i can do vpn with networkmanager on my current
version?
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1613[13:59:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> i heard about swan but i dont want
to use another program for vpn..
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1618[14:00:39] <humbug_humbug> pyfgcr yeah, it's the same
kind of popup as "Connection Established" and
"Disconnected" and the usual notification of updates
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1620[14:02:03] <pyfgcr> humbug_humbug: since I don't use
mate this is not helping me to understand what happens
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1621[14:02:34] <pyfgcr> but you seem to say that there is an icon
in the panel indeed
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1622[14:03:04] <pyfgcr> so you can try to understand which is the
"culprit" program
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1626[14:03:54] <pyfgcr> humbug_humbug: there is usually an
"about" option if you right click on the icon, is it
there?
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1630[14:05:43] <humbug_humbug> I'll look next time it pops,
I guess...
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1638[14:09:56] <vlt> Hello. Since around the time I ugraded from
Debian 8 to 9 (and also now on 10) I have serious issues with my
NIC. The problem occurs on average 15 days after booting, so I
can't tell if it's related to the upgrade or real hardware
issue.
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1640[14:10:17] <vlt> Is it possible to run a kernel from Debian 8
on Debian 10?
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1642[14:10:31] <ratrace> vlt: no ; which nic? do you perhaps just
need firmware?
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1643[14:10:39] <JPT> If it meets the requirements of glibc, you
might be able to pull it off
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1644[14:10:53] <JPT> It won't be pretty though
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1645[14:10:54] <ratrace> and systemd
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1647[14:11:12] <JPT> Oh, right. That is likely to break
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1653[14:12:49] <vlt> ratrace: It's an Intel server. The
kernel module used is "igb".
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1660[14:17:39] <ratrace> vlt: i don't think that even has
any firmware in debian packaging ; anyway what exactly are those
"issues"? when they appear, is any error logged?
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1673[14:23:45] <vlt> ratrace:
replaced-url
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1675[14:24:38] <vlt> ratrace: Of the things I tried (including
rmmod/modprobe igb) only rebooting solves the problem.
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1677[14:25:35] <deadrom> hi
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1680[14:27:04] <deadrom> need to mount a win server 2012r2
administrative share "c$". mount.cifs //ip/c$ /mnt -o
credentials/credfile gives me "error 13 access denied".
cred file double checked. long since I used cifs, what am I missing?
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1682[14:27:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> anybody know how to get around the
long password needed to network manager vpn? openswan?
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1683[14:28:12] <deadrom> nevermind, triple checked credfile...
typo :}
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1687[14:31:58] <dvs> !lart deadrom
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1689[14:31:59] * dpkg chops deadrom in half with a free AOL CD
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1695[14:35:37] <deadrom> dvs, gfy. I clarified my error and let
you know instead of sending people into chasing an error that
wasn#t.
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1697[14:36:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok now im pissed its on the client
side openswan is demanding 20 chars minum
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1702[14:39:46] <nifker> I want to use mako instead of dunst - do
I need to set it up in alternatives?
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1704[14:40:31] <eb0t> hey i am getting an error when i apt
upgrade
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1705[14:40:57] <eb0t> minissdpd.service: Control process exited,
code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
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1706[14:41:12] <eb0t> i think maybe i should delete that
application
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1707[14:41:15] <eb0t> what do you think
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1708[14:41:43] <fireba11> it can't start the service ...
either find the error via logs or remove it if you don't need
it (anymore)
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1709[14:41:48] <ratrace> vlt: you neglected to mention this was
xen :)
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1710[14:41:56] <eb0t> installed minissdpd package
post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
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1712[14:42:11] <greycat> ,info minissdpd
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1713[14:42:12] <judd> Package minissdpd (net, optional) in
buster/amd64: keep memory of all UPnP devices that announced
themselves. Version: 1.5.20190210-1; Size: 35.4k; Installed: 112k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
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1714[14:42:26] <greycat> do you ... need this?
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1716[14:44:07] <eb0t> not sure
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1721[14:45:49] <eb0t> looks like its good to have ..but i would
have expected it to build successfully with debian
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1724[14:47:28] <epony> Is this true? "geography was nearly
eliminated as an academic discipline in the US after 1960s"
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1726[14:47:44] <greycat> eb0t: so, the fundamental question is
here is whether you try to FIX the errors, or whether you pursue a
scorched earth policy and just try to remove it
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1727[14:48:24] <eb0t> thing is greycat, this system was an
upgrade from debian stretch...im trying to find out if that package
is in buster
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1728[14:48:28] <ratrace> what is with that service on buster?
more than a few people complaining about it
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1729[14:48:32] <greycat> ,v minissdpd
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1731[14:48:32] <judd> Package: minissdpd on amd64 -- jessie:
1.2.20130907-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.2.20130907-3+deb8u2;
stretch: 1.2.20130907-4.1; stretch-proposed-updates:
1.2.20130907-4.1+deb9u1; bullseye: 1.5.20190210-1; buster:
1.5.20190210-1; sid: 1.5.20190210-1
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1732[14:48:35] <greycat> "yes"
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1733[14:48:39] <eb0t> or if it is a reminant of stretch
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1735[14:49:05] <greycat> epony: sounds slightly off topic
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1737[14:49:39] <epony> someone could probably know.. (just yes or
no)
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1739[14:51:12] <Akuw> hi
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1740[14:51:31] <Akuw> is there any place with ftp server
passwords?
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1742[14:51:34] <Akuw> plain one
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1743[14:51:48] <greycat> Akuw: explain to me why I should not ban
you immediately.
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1744[14:51:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> so guys what other vpn tool can i
use?
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1745[14:52:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> network-manager openswan is off
limits, my passwords are too short
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1746[14:52:03] <Akuw> greycat: why
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1748[14:52:11] <Akuw> i am majing just a question
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1750[14:52:34] <Akuw> somebody lost ftp password and has only
access by vnc
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1751[14:52:34] <greycat> Akuw: OK, I will grant you the benefit
of the doubt, and perhaps you are not a native English speaker, and
you have completely misspoken here. You have ONE chance to redeem
yourself.
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1752[14:52:37] <Akuw> just that
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1754[14:52:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> really greycat
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1755[14:53:05] <greycat> Really.
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1756[14:53:08] <Akuw> greaycat: what happen?
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1757[14:53:11] <centrix> How to "clean" a box to start
joining to AD again? Deb 10
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1758[14:53:15] <Akuw> can you explain
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1759[14:53:26] <greycat> You DO NOT come into #debian and ask for
a list of FTP server passwords.
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1760[14:53:37] <Akuw> ohhh
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1761[14:53:38] <epony> Akuw, which FTPd program are you using?
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1762[14:53:40] <greycat> What in the HELL makes you think that is
an acceptable question here.
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1763[14:53:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> ohhh
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1764[14:54:03] <Akuw> the questions is something like where is
/etc/passwd
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1765[14:54:13] <Akuw> just that
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1766[14:54:15] <epony> Akuw, you do the explaining.. provide more
technical details
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1767[14:54:15] <greycat> It's in /etc/passwd.
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1768[14:54:18] <ratrace> lol
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1769[14:54:25] <Akuw> yes i know
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1770[14:54:31] <Akuw> but for ftp server
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1771[14:54:36] <epony> which one?
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1772[14:54:36] <dvs> Akuw, same file
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1774[14:54:55] <greycat> There ISN'T a plain-text version of
the /etc/passwd file where the passwords are stored. That is BY
DESIGN. The only thing that's stored is the one-way hash of the
password. NOT the password itself.
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1775[14:55:04] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: can't you take that
as a hint from openswan to maybe make your password stronger?
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1776[14:55:26] <Akuw> hummm
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1778[14:55:46] <Akuw> damm
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1780[14:55:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> password i can change
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1781[14:56:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> preshared key i cannot
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1782[14:56:01] <ratrace> depending on which ftp server it is, and
how its' configured, eg. vsftp can use a completeley separate
passwd-like file for usernames and passwords
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1783[14:56:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> less i feel the wrath of directors
and sales peopl..
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1784[14:56:11] <greycat> So, if someone forgot their password,
you can't "find out what it was". All you can do is
set a new one for them.
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1785[14:56:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> ops..
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1786[14:56:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> managers...
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1787[14:56:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> *shudders*
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1788[14:56:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> plus i am lowely admin.
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1789[14:56:34] <centrix> net join testjoin says the box is NOT
joined.
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1792[14:56:59] <centrix> we are still in doubt
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1795[14:57:12] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: tried openvpn command
line?
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1797[14:57:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> bi
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1798[14:57:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> not yet
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1799[14:57:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> never used it.
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1800[14:57:47] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: btw openswan... isn't
that just for ipsec?
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1802[14:58:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> how should i know?
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1804[14:58:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> i litterly just installed is 30 min
ago
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1805[14:58:45] <eb0t> i would expect anyone setting up an ftp
server to also set up a password
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1806[14:58:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> sorry strongswan...
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1807[14:58:46] <ratrace> i was under impression that you're
mandated by manager to do something...
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1808[14:58:53] <eb0t> i dont think there is a list as such
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1809[14:58:59] <vlt> ratrace: I'm sorry. I wasn't aware
that Xen coulld be relevant to the problem.
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1810[14:59:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> not openswan
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1812[14:59:05] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: anyway, if you want vpn,
theres OpenVPN
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1814[14:59:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> does it work with network-manager?
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1815[14:59:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> or am i going to have to write a
script to do it..
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1816[14:59:40] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: afaik yes, nm does support
openvpn
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1817[14:59:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> strongswan
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1818[15:00:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> lol
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1819[15:00:12] <ratrace> you're now randomly tossing out
terminology
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1821[15:00:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> im must be blind
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1823[15:00:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> i thought u said nm does suppoer
openswan..
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1824[15:00:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> apologies
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1825[15:00:40] <ratrace> no, i said openvpn, *swan things are for
ipsec iirc
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1826[15:00:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> ill try out openvpn now
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1830[15:03:18] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: nm should have a nice gui
way of adding VPNs, like point and click style ; alternatively you
can use openvpn on the command line directly ; depends what you need
exactly
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1831[15:03:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> nope
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1832[15:03:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> openvpn will not work its not the
same protocols as strongswan..
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1833[15:03:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> fml
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1834[15:04:03] <ratrace> 14:51 < Eryn_1983_FL> so guys what
other vpn tool can i use?
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1835[15:04:09] <Akuw> greycat: sorry
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1836[15:04:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> tool for the same protocol..
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1837[15:04:24] <ratrace> so uh.... WHAT exactly do you want to do
here.....
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1840[15:04:58] <ratrace> swan is ipsec, vpn is vpn ipsec != vpn,
though i guess vpn could work with ipsec to establish secure
networking
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1845[15:05:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> allright my bad
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1846[15:05:47] <vlt> xy?
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1847[15:05:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> os i need another ipsec tool...
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1848[15:06:11] <greycat> you're still not explaining what
the basic goal is
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1851[15:07:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> its a L2TP/IPSEC PSK VPN
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1852[15:07:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am trying to get a client setup
for it in linux
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1855[15:07:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got a username and password and a
preshared key,
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1856[15:07:48] <Eryn_1983_FL> i tried to use the swan crap but
its demanding i have a 20 char password and a 20char preshare key.
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1857[15:07:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> which is unaccaptable.
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1858[15:07:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> alternatives?
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1859[15:08:07] <Haohmaru> yeah 20 is kinda short
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1860[15:08:08] <Haohmaru> ;P~
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1861[15:08:13] <ratrace> Eryn_1983_FL: "Open source and
Linux: xl2tpd, Linux RP-L2TP, OpenL2TP, l2tpns, l2tpd (inactive),
Linux L2TP/IPsec server, FreeBSD multi-link PPP daemon, OpenBSD
npppd(8), ACCEL-PPP - PPTP/L2TP/PPPoE server for Linux"
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1862[15:08:41] <ratrace> from the wikipedia
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1865[15:09:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> mmm
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1885[15:23:37] <oliv3> hi, after upgrading it seems i lost
everything in /boot, which is quite annoying :/ any idea how to fix
this ?
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1886[15:24:18] <karlpinc> Eryn_1983_FL: FWIW, I find IPSec much
more annoying to setup than other VPN technologies.
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1887[15:24:45] <ratrace> oliv3: technically you can reinstall
/boot by reinstalling the kernel and then grub ; but the real
question is why and how did you lose it, will it happen again!
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1888[15:25:08] <nifker> What does it mean when notify-send is not
a valid command?
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1889[15:25:17] <karlpinc> oliv3: Try checking the buster release
notes and see if you followed the instructions. It also has a
troubleshooting section for when things go wrong.
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1894[15:27:06] <karlpinc> Eryn_1983_FL: I find openvpn simpler.
Depending on what you want to do, an ssh tunnel is often sufficient.
There's also stunnel. Wireguard is cool, but I don't know
if it interoperates with anything but Linux.
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1896[15:27:43] <karlpinc> !tell nifker about errors
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1897[15:28:00] <nifker> "fish: Unknown command
notify-send"
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1900[15:28:58] <karlpinc> nifker: Then you need the libnotify-bin
package installed.
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1904[15:29:14] <karlpinc> nifker: (I used apt-file to find the
package.)
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1905[15:29:26] <oliv3> i was upgrading to sid, and saw no errors
when doing that.. that's really strange
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1907[15:30:10] <oliv3> and now i can access this server only with
an ubuntu in rescue mode
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1908[15:30:16] <karlpinc> oliv3: Ah. Sid. That breaks. And
isn't supported in this channel. Maybe in #debian-next? (I
forget)
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1910[15:30:42] <ratrace> oliv3: you should not be using sid if
you can't solve problems like this on yourself, and this is a
rather trivial one
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1914[15:31:21] <micromande> is there anyone who know how to
properly configure alsa?
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1915[15:31:29] <nifker> Ok how do I set the notification daemon
in dbus?
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1917[15:31:46] <karlpinc> !alsa-checklist
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1918[15:31:46] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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1919[15:32:12] <micromande> yeah I did all of that
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1923[15:32:56] <karlpinc> micromande: Then you'll have to
provide detail about what you tried and what your problem is and how
you know that's what your problem is.
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1924[15:32:58] <micromande> I am using archlinux but I think alsa
is the same on debian? The problem is that only my left speaker is
working
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1925[15:33:09] <ratrace> lol!
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1926[15:33:22] <micromande> lsmod | grep snd:
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1927[15:33:26] <ratrace> you could ask in #windows too, windows
works on the same hardware, right
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1928[15:33:28] <micromande> snd_hda_codec_hdmi 65536 3
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1929[15:33:29] <micromande>
hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_cirrus
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1930[15:33:31] <micromande>
_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_timer,snd_pcm
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1931[15:33:39] <karlpinc> micromande: I would check the wires.
But arch is offtopic here.
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1932[15:34:01] <micromande> aplay -l
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1933[15:34:02] <micromande> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware
Devices ****
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1937[15:34:39] <micromande> yeah but alsa is not distribution
specific ?
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1941[15:35:52] <humpled> have you checked alsamixer? sometimes
you can raise and lower the left and right channels with obscure
keys
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1942[15:36:00] <ratrace> micromande: isn't there #archlinux
here on freenode?
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1943[15:36:06] <humpled> i've done it myself by mistake
sometimes
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1944[15:36:16] <micromande> yeah but they are so ignorat they
dont help me
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1945[15:36:18] <micromande> the igonr me
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1946[15:36:41] <micromande> I was jusing debian my whol life and
the community was way better
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1949[15:38:02] <nixonix> when its a good time to go back to
testing without getting too unstable stuff from there? (i switched
from testing to stable for awhile for that reason)
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1952[15:39:48] <greycat> Whenever bullseye freezes.
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1955[15:40:17] <nixonix> micromande: are you sure you dont have
problem with plug and jack? i just had a similar problem with my
phones jack, and was solved with using an extension cord
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1958[15:40:50] <nixonix> greycat: ok thanks. approximately, when
should that happen?
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1960[15:40:56] <micromande> its about the internal speakers
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1961[15:40:59] <greycat> 2 or 3 years
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1962[15:41:08] <micromande> by default i think i just get analog
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1964[15:41:24] <nixonix> oh, maybe i dont live that long...
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1965[15:41:34] <micromande> but when I change my device in
alsa.conf there is no sound at all
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1966[15:41:40] <micromande> not even on the right speaker
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1969[15:42:09] <humpled> have you tried a debian live usb?
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1970[15:42:10] <ratrace> nixonix: conflicting demands are like
that, mind shattering
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1973[15:43:37] <micromande> I was using Ubuntu live but It wont
boot so I tried Xubunu with Xfce and there is no problem, than I
looked into the configuration file and came to the conclusion that
it is using pulseaudio
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1979[15:46:18] <nixonix> i read "Perhaps wait a week or two
for the worst of the storm to pass, monitor the appropriate Debian
mailing lists, then run apt full-upgrade and see what happens. If
something gets broken, make nice bug reports."
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1980[15:46:35] <nixonix> so perhaps a few months, and then it
shouldnt be too unstable...
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1983[15:48:29] <ratrace> nixonix: your logic makes little sense.
right now, stable and testing are close, so testing is very stable ;
as time passes it'll be less so
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1984[15:48:54] <nixonix> ok
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1986[15:49:16] <greycat> ratrace: no, nixonix is much closer to
the truth.
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1987[15:49:50] <greycat> Debian developers are like children with
toys they want to play with. But during a freeze, they can't
play with their toys. They have to wait. When the freeze is lifted
(i.e. NOW), the toy box is open again.
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1988[15:49:56] <ratrace> greycat: how so, the testing branch was
just recently cut off to buster....
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1989[15:50:05] <nixonix> so maybe i just should follow the
current stability situation if using testing?
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1990[15:50:06] <greycat> So all the stuff they weren't
allowed to do during the freeze, they're doing NOW.
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1991[15:50:06] <ratrace> ah, the post-freeze update storm
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2012[16:04:19] <nixonix> i remember buster testing, xfce at
least, was considered pretty stable by the end of 2017. so my idea
of letting it a few months to settle down should work, i guess
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choce in vpn, i got to use what company uses....
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2022[16:13:55] <fox64> Hello everyone, I was lucky to get a cheap
Radeon VII and I have red that it works perfectly fine from kernel
4.20 upwards. Unfortunately Buster comes with 4.19. Do you think I
should use testing or just upgrade the kernel?
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2023[16:14:02] <fox64> *I have read
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2030[16:16:19] <fox64> that said, I don't know how to
upgrade the kernel
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2039[16:18:24] <rant> ,kernels
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2040[16:18:25] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid:
4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-6); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5);
stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u4); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u4~deb8u1)
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2041[16:19:14] <fox64> ok, but what do you suggest for getting
hardware support? using debian testing or upgrading the kernel in
buster?
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2043[16:19:26] <rant> ,v linux-image-amd64
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2044[16:19:28] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 --
jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6;
stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7;
stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u8; stretch-backports:
4.19+105~bpo9+1; bullseye: 4.19+105; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 4.19+105
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2046[16:19:48] <rant> upgrading to testing/unstable would do
nothing as they don't yet have a new kernel
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2049[16:20:34] <fox64> ok, thanks for letting me know
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2050[16:21:08] <rant> currently the only debian option is the
experimental kernel... you'd have to compile from upstream if
you needed something else, or wait
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2051[16:21:09] <fox64> I guess I should take a look at the
proprietary drivers then
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2056[16:24:07] <rant> fox64:
replaced-url
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2058[16:24:22] <rant> could be used for the time being
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2059[16:24:52] <fox64> I will check it out :)
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2062[16:25:28] <greycat> ,kernels
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2063[16:25:29] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid:
4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-6); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5);
stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u4); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u4~deb8u1)
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2064[16:25:34] <greycat> kinda surprising.
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2065[16:25:39] <fox64> If anyone who worked on Debian Buster is
around I want to let you know that it works great for me so far.
Thanks and good job.
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2066[16:25:57] <greycat> I guess none of the hyperactive childr--
Debian developers wanted to play with a new kernel.
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2069[16:27:00] <fox64> not being on the bleeding edge is
something I like about Debian tbh
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2074[16:28:40] <rant>
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2075[16:28:49] <rant> seems to suggest this is held up by
python2-rm
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2076[16:29:03] <rant> which I don't really see what python
has to do with the kernel..
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2079[16:31:11] <fox64> interesting
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2080[16:31:14] <rant> ubuntu has 5.2.0 but has like 3x as many
bugs filed against it as we have :P
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2082[16:31:27] <fox64> well ubuntu is ubuntu ...
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2085[16:31:54] <rant> some say its an ancient african word for
"can't install/configure debian"
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2086[16:31:57] <fox64> if it was just about the kernel for me I
could just use Ubuntu 19.04 or Arch
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2089[16:32:44] <uRock> rant, lol
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2090[16:33:03] <uRock> that was true for me in the beginning,
like 10 years ago.
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2092[16:33:26] <uRock> Recently switched all of my systems to
Debian and love it
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2094[16:34:07] * rant has used Debian exclusively since circa
2002-2003ish 2.2r6 Potato
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2099[16:36:04] <fox64> burn me for this but
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2100[16:36:11] * fox64 uses macOS at work as well
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2101[16:36:32] <rant> there are worse things one could have to
use
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2106[16:38:35] <fox64> Windows 10 for example. I feel sorry for
everyone who actually needs to deal with that
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2108[16:40:09] <ratrace> i'm installing win10 as we speak!
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2110[16:40:32] <fox64> oh, sorry to hear that. I hope it works
for you :D
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2111[16:40:44] <ratrace> i'm sick of this linux thing,
i'm going back!
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2112[16:40:57] <fox64> nice
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2113[16:41:17] <ratrace> j/k lol .... nah, i need it to play
Destiny2, so I'll dualboot with anothre drive for now, until i
get it under a vm with gpu passthru
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2114[16:41:31] <jmcnaught> long to accumulate in some spots..
Especially the water cooler and fans
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2115[16:41:31] <jmcnaught> tedrampart
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2116[16:41:31] <jmcnaught> prob going to redo the fans in the
streaming pc.. I think I will do better if I'm pulling cold air
into the case and blowing it out the water cooler..
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2119[16:41:49] <jmcnaught> sorry mouse issue
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2120[16:41:54] <ratrace> middle click lol
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2121[16:41:56] <fox64> I can recommend passthroughpo.st
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2123[16:42:21] <fox64> ^
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2133[16:48:43] <karlpinc> fox64: You can always compile your own
kernel. There's a kernel handbook at debian.org. (But I
don't if there are issues when running the latest kernel with
debian. I've done it in the past, but things change.)
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2137[16:50:11] <BCMM> karlpinc: "don't break
userspace" is a big deal for kernel developers. so if old
debian doesn't work on new kernels, that'd probably be
considered a kernel bug
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2139[16:51:58] <karlpinc> BCMM: You'd think. But why do they
then ever bump the major kernel version? Just because "bigger
numbers are better"? (I used to pay attention to such policy,
but don't any more.)
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2141[16:52:24] <greycat> Linus bumped it to 5 because he
didn't want 4.21. There's a post about it.
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2142[16:52:47] <BCMM> karlpinc: they bumped 2.0 because the
kernel got smp support, which they figured was a big enough re-write
to warrant a major version. since then, it's basically whenever
the minor number is too big
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2143[16:52:57] <greycat> It's like the openbsd numbering,
where 4.9 is followed by 5.0
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2144[16:53:12] <karlpinc> I see.
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2146[16:53:27] <BCMM> karlpinc: current policy is that the major
version gets bumped when "linus runs out of fingers and
toes"
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2152[16:55:07] <greycat>
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2154[16:55:10] <greycat> want to have an official reason,
it's that I ran out of fingers and
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2156[16:55:12] <greycat> toes to count on, so 4.21 became
5.0."
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2158[16:55:18] <greycat> ... crap, I thought that would paste as
a single line
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2159[16:55:23] <rant> heh..
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2160[16:55:31] <BCMM> he used the same reason for 3 -> 4, iirc
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2163[16:57:08] <fox64> there were a lot of 2.6 variants
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2165[16:57:38] <greycat> they used different release strategies
and numbering strategies then
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2166[16:57:52] <BCMM> basically the idea is that numbers like
2.6.39.4 are excessively confusing, and he doesn't want it to
get that bad again
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2167[16:58:00] <karlpinc> fox64: Anyhow, compling a kernel is not
so hard. (Knowing when you're supposed to compile another
because of some security problem is something I don't have a
good procedure for.)
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2168[16:58:18] <fox64> I have no idea how to compile my own
kernel
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2169[16:58:27] <fox64> I'm more a user, sorry
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2174[16:59:52] <BCMM> fox64: it's actually really easy to
compile, compared to other software projects of a similar scale
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2175[17:00:07] <BCMM> partly because it doesn't really have
external dependencies, and partly because it has a really nice build
configuration system
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2177[17:00:09] <fox64> any tutorial you can link me? I'd
love to try it
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2179[17:00:30] <fox64> could make a good CPU benchmark
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2180[17:00:44] <BCMM> i'm not sure if there's one
i'd specifically recommend, but the procedure is basically
this:
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2183[17:01:56] <greycat> Last time I messed with building a
kernel was a long time ago (2.6 days), and the configuration was an
utter NIGHTMARE. There were hundreds of questions that you had to
answer. It took an hour.
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2185[17:02:07] <BCMM> get kernel source code, copy a debian
kernel config file in to the directory (you can find the one
you're currently using in /boot/), do `make oldconfig; make -j4
bindeb-pkg`
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2186[17:02:27] <fox64> nice I will just do that now
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2187[17:02:33] <han-solo> fun
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2188[17:02:40] <greycat> I guess you're skipping what
I'm sure would be 4+ hours by now by using someone else's
answers.
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2190[17:02:43] <BCMM> greycat: that's why you start with
debian's kernel config - you only have to answer the handful of
questions that are from new code
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2191[17:03:03] <BCMM> greycat: it takes waaay less than 4 hours
to set up a decent kernel config from scratch, though
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2194[17:03:28] <BCMM> fox64: make -j4 is for a quad-core. make it
however many CPUs you have for the fastest build
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2196[17:03:41] <fox64> 3700X so -j16 ?
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2198[17:03:54] <rant> idk, the config took about the same time as
2.6 when I tried it on 5.0 months ago.. but I never did get it to
build, I couldnt scrounge up enough disk space.. it seemed to
require well over 20GB of space to compile
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2200[17:03:59] <BCMM> fox64: make bindeb-pkg will create a some
.deb files in the kernel's source directory, that you can
install using dpkg
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2202[17:04:14] <fox64> dpgk -i ?
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2205[17:04:27] <rant> and I'd fine tuned it to my hardware
as best as I could.. so idk wth I was doing wrong or if its just
ridiculously large now for some reason
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2206[17:04:34] <greycat> fox64: yes, but spell dpkg correctly ;-)
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2208[17:04:59] <BCMM> fox64: you might find tutorials telling you
to manually copy the kernel to /boot - ignore those tutorials!
linux's build system can make debian packages, which gives you
the ability to cleanly uninstall
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2209[17:05:21] <fox64> I just want to compile it in some
directory first to get comfortable
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2210[17:05:22] <BCMM> and also it should trigger hooks to
automatically update the bootloader config
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2211[17:05:27] <fox64> no interest in breaking my system :D
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2213[17:05:35] <rant> I only have a 128GB SSD on this machine, I
rarely have more than 20GB free space lying around
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2214[17:05:46] <greycat> making a .deb file is utterly harmless
(unless you fill a file system)
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2215[17:05:59] <fox64> oh I have a nice ZFS file server ... 10/10
would recommend
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2216[17:06:03] <BCMM> fox64: you can do what i described as a
normal user, in any directory. you only need to be root when you use
dpkg to actually install the .deb
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2217[17:06:04] <greycat> *installing* a kernel .deb file is
meaningful, but even then, you have other kernels you can boot if
this one doesn't
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2219[17:06:33] <greycat> so, a kernel is actually one of the
least damaging things you can build and install, assuming it
doesn't corrupt your file systems or something
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2221[17:06:36] <rant> I had used whatever make command to make
deb files when I'd tried to build 5.x idk if that was what was
taking all the space or what
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2223[17:06:44] <BCMM> fox64: by the way, a possibly easier way to
get a recent kernel is to use the liquorix repo. just don't
expect the debian community to support it.
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2224[17:06:51] <BCMM>
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2225[17:07:06] <greycat> (also assuming you are doing it on a
local system, not a remote server)
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2226[17:07:09] <rant> last time I built a kernel we still used
kernel-package
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2227[17:07:17] <fox64> I don't expect anything from you guys
:) I'm just happy if I can make my Radeon VII work with the
free drivers
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2229[17:07:42] <dvs> fox64, probably too early for that.
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2230[17:07:53] <fox64> 4.20 and upwards is perfectly fine
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2231[17:07:57] <BCMM> it comes with a bunch of performance
patches that make it a bit less vanilla than what you'll get by
just building upstream sources, though
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2232[17:08:01] <fox64> at least for my work
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2233[17:08:25] <BCMM> fox64: you've got the firmware for
your graphics card, right? that's packaged separately from the
actual driver
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2234[17:08:28] <greycat> you could also just install an ubuntu
kernel package, probably
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2235[17:08:36] <fox64> fuck
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2236[17:08:38] <fox64> no
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2237[17:08:58] <fox64> ok let me first try to compile a kernel
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2238[17:08:59] <BCMM> fox64: you need firmware-amd-graphics, from
the non-free archive area
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2239[17:09:04] <fox64> I just installed build-essential
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2240[17:09:30] <BCMM> without that, the amdgpu driver won't
work properly on any kernel version
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2246[17:11:29] <karlpinc> dpkg:
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2247[17:11:30] <dpkg> karlpinc: no idea
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2248[17:11:53] <fox64> so I git cloned this
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2249[17:11:54] <fox64>
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2250[17:11:57] <fox64> correct?
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2251[17:12:11] <BCMM> fox64: oh god no, don't do that!
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2252[17:12:16] <fox64> ok
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2253[17:12:17] <BCMM> fox64: use a kernel release, not the latest
git sources
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2254[17:12:29] <karlpinc> !kernel handbook
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2255[17:12:29] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook
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2258[17:13:27] <BCMM> karlpinc: if you're not going to
actually try to get it in debian's repos, is there anything
wrong with just using make binpkg-deb instead of all that? it's
a heck of a lot simpler
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2259[17:13:39] <karlpinc> fox64: So there's the offical
instructions.
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2261[17:14:19] <karlpinc> BCMM: Dunno. The goal is to have a .deb
package for the kernel. Presumably the offical instructions give the
"best" way to do this.
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2262[17:14:59] <BCMM> bindeb-pkg rather
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2263[17:15:43] <karlpinc> It's nice to have offical
instructions instead of having people follow random advice from
strangers on the internet in some blog post. :)
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2265[17:15:55] <BCMM> karlpinc: oh, looks like the instructions
actually suggest make deb-pkg now, in some circumstances
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2267[17:16:21] <karlpinc> BCMM: If you think there's a
better way and are able to be help to help fox64 through the
process, fine with me.
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2270[17:17:35] <BCMM> karlpinc: i'm pretty much find with a
subset of what's in the handbook. it's just that it's
mostly geared towards modifying debian kernels, with using newer
upstream sources as a footnote
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2272[17:19:05] <BCMM> fox64: to clarify: that github page is a
mirror of the live development repo of the linux kernel. you should
probably use a kernel "release" instead (something the
kernel developers cleaned up a bit and gave a version number to).
you can download tarballs from kernel.org.
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2274[17:19:26] <karlpinc> I haven't actually looked at it.
(And also have not built a kernel since the days of make-kpg or
whatever the tool was.)
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2281[17:21:17] <karlpinc> I too find tarballs easier and more
assured than figuring out the "git way" to get the right
version.
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2322[17:42:32] <BCMM> fox64: that's a point, actually. if
you're familiar with git, you could clone linux with git and
then checkout a release versions from that
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2323[17:42:42] <BCMM> but that would involve using the stable
tree, not the torvalds tree
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2326[17:43:32] <BCMM> karlpinc: i bisected a driver problem i had
a few months ago. i had some sort of problem with outdated
information in the official instructions, before i gave up and just
used the kernel's own .deb packaging
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2327[17:43:47] <BCMM> i think it was unnecessary invocation of
fakeroot?
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2363[18:03:54] <r4co0n> Updating Debian buster, I got security
updates for exim4 today. Since I have needrestart set-up to restart
services holding deprecated files automatically, I was wondering why
it didn't report anything. exim4 was, according to systemctl,
restarted when upgrading, but no such message (à la
'Restarting foo...') was in apt's upgrade output. Is
this new expected behaviour or a malbehaving package upgrade?
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2367[18:06:07] <ikus060> Hello, I've upgrade to debian
buster recently, an I just notice I can't run .jnlp file any
more. Javaws deosn't seams to be available anywhere either.
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2368[18:06:11] <greycat> "needrestart" doesn't
matter here -- you upgraded exim4 itself, and that is enough to make
exim4 get restarted
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2369[18:06:25] <greycat> as for there not being a message about
it in apt-get's output, I have no idea
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2370[18:06:28] <Robby> With what has the "telnet-ssl"
package been replaced in Buster? it doesn't exist anymore
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2371[18:06:55] <greycat> ,v telnet-ssl
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2372[18:06:56] <judd> Package: telnet-ssl on amd64 -- jessie:
0.17.24+0.1-24; stretch: 0.17.41+0.2-3; sid: 0.17.41+0.2-3.2
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2373[18:07:06] <Robby> it was a nice tool for some
troubleshooting and whatnot
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2374[18:07:25] <Robby> (due to it supporting TLS)
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2375[18:07:29] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2376[18:08:01] <greycat> links to #912132
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2377[18:08:03] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2378[18:08:18] <greycat> so you'd want to dive into that bug
report to see why it was removed from buster
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2379[18:08:21] <Robby> ah, thanks, I was searching around but
couldn't directly find anything
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2380[18:08:26] <Robby> I'll give it a read
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2386[18:10:55] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> hola buenas tardes
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2387[18:11:15] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> estoy un poco perdida
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2388[18:11:19] <greycat> !es
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2389[18:11:19] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en
Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en
Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join
#debian-es en la línea de chat.
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2390[18:11:29] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> creo que me equivoqué de
red
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2392[18:11:56] <r4co0n> greycat, I think it's really nice
that the packages detect needing a reload that doesn't
interrupt services themselves. However, I think it is crucial that
restarting a service is mentioned in the upgrade output.
replaced-url
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2394[18:12:51] <greycat> I just did it on stretch, and it says
it's "Setting up" packages, just like yours.
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2395[18:13:06] <greycat> I'm not sure if "Setting
up" implies restarting daemons.
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2396[18:13:15] <r4co0n> greycat, generally, it does not.
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2397[18:13:38] <r4co0n> greycat, it says setting up when
executing postinstall
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2398[18:14:32] <jhutchins_wk> How would you not expect to restart
a service you had asked to be upgraded?
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2399[18:15:00] <jhutchins_wk> Why would you bother to upgrade if
you didn't want to run the new code?
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2400[18:15:11] <TvL2386> hey all, I've got a microsd card
which seems to be corrupted. I get 'EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): INFO:
recovery required on readonly filesystem'. Any e2fsck I want to
run fails because it wants to write, which it can't
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2401[18:15:25] <TvL2386> I got this microsd from my rpi which
won't boot anymore due to power outage
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2402[18:15:51] <jhutchins_wk> TvL2386: The filesystem should not
be mounted when you run fsck.
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2403[18:15:52] <TvL2386> is this sdcard dead or are there any
cool commands to fix it... I can mount with "-o noload"
and am copying all data now
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2404[18:16:14] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> nadie puede ayudar?
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2405[18:16:17] <TvL2386> jhutchins_wk: yeah I know... I put the
sdcard in, unmounted it and tried to fix it
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2406[18:16:51] <greycat> ProfesoraDeYogaV: /join #debian-es
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2407[18:17:03] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> lo hice y nadie responde
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2408[18:17:24] <r4co0n> ProfesoraDeYogaV, then try in English :P
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2409[18:17:24] <greycat> Only English here, please.
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2410[18:17:32] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> ok
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2411[18:17:36] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> mmm
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2412[18:17:51] <TvL2386> this is the only way to get the data:
'sudo mount -o noload /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/rpi/root'
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2413[18:18:10] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> I think that I mistake the net
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2415[18:18:33] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> and i donut know who to exit
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2416[18:18:53] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> i donut know to exit this net
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2417[18:19:02] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> sorry corrector
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2418[18:19:07] <greycat> 12:19 CTCP VERSION reply from
ProfesoraDeYogaV: Kiwi IRC
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2419[18:19:13] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> don´t know
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2420[18:19:16] <TvL2386> to be clear, I put this sdcard in my
laptop and am not booting from it
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2421[18:19:21] <greycat> I know nothing about Kiwi IRC,
unfortunately.
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2425[18:19:45] <r4co0n> TvL2386, first thing you should do is use
ddrescue or a similar tool to get all the data that's still on
your sdcard. Furtheron, you can work with a image to repair the
volume or rescue individual files.
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2426[18:19:53] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> I wanted to speak in the net
Chat Hispano
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2428[18:20:25] <ProfesoraDeYogaV> and i don´t know what
entry here
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2430[18:20:35] <TvL2386> r4co0n: yeah I can mount it with
"-o noload" and am currently doing `tar -cpf rpi.root.tar
/mnt/rpi/root/` which seems to work
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2433[18:22:30] <r4co0n> TvL2386, if you can grab what's
valuable to you, I would go forward trying to reimage your sdcard.
But keep in mind that it failed you once, it might have been
software, but it could have been early signs of a failing piece of
equipment.
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2435[18:23:31] <TvL2386> r4co0n: well.. this dude from the power
company installed a new meter... So I think the rpi may have not
liked to have the power to turn on/off multiple times
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2437[18:24:29] <r4co0n> TvL2386, but this also wouldn't be
the most implausible story to tell when the power guy toasted your
sdcard ;)
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2439[18:25:16] <TvL2386> :)
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2441[18:25:53] <r4co0n> TvL2386, if it is being detected and
working without errors, you are most probably fine. (I would still
mark the sdcard as possibly broken.)
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2443[18:26:56] <TvL2386> r4co0n: thx! I'll grab my files and
reimage the sdcard and we'll see what happens... unfortunately
I don't have a spare around at the moment
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2444[18:27:20] <ChmEarl> TvL2386, the new meter is a smart meter?
those have 2 internal networks, one wifi to upload your stats, the
other is IP over AC to sense your modern appliances that can talk
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2446[18:28:01] <TvL2386> ChmEarl: I've asked the dude and he
said it uses cdma? Which doesn't use wifi. It has no ports and
I didn't have to give them any wifi info
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2447[18:28:34] <TvL2386> which is a shame... I was already
dreaming of snmp probing that thing and graphing stuff :)
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2448[18:28:47] <ChmEarl> TvL2386, ok, not wifi, but some wireless
protocol
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2453[18:30:48] <TvL2386> ChmEarl: it's this thing:
replaced-url
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2458[18:34:02] <r4co0n> TvL2386, get going with
replaced-url
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2460[18:36:03] <TvL2386> r4co0n: interesting!
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2461[18:37:14] <r4co0n> TvL2386,
replaced-url
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2463[18:37:35] <TvL2386> :D
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2464[18:39:37] <CrystalMath> why is it so difficult to change the
code of a debian package before building>
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2465[18:39:42] <CrystalMath> it's like debian makes it hard
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2466[18:39:52] <CrystalMath> silently reverting things during
debian/rules binary
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2467[18:40:07] <ratrace> CrystalMath: make a patch
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2468[18:41:09] <CrystalMath> what if i just want to test a
change?
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2469[18:41:30] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, you simply downloaded a
deb-src and want to rebuild with your changes?
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2470[18:41:34] <CrystalMath> yes
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2471[18:41:39] <CrystalMath> well, i used apt source
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2472[18:41:43] <CrystalMath> so it's all unpacked
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2473[18:41:47] <ChmEarl> CrystalMath, write a sed edit inline to
the d/rules
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2474[18:42:11] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, where does
`dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc` leave you?
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2475[18:42:18] <CrystalMath> it gives me errors
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2476[18:42:25] <CrystalMath> until i do dpkg-source --commit
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2478[18:42:48] <r4co0n> You probably want to use a more
high-level build tool.
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2479[18:43:17] <r4co0n> But that doesn't resolve you from
reading
replaced-url
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2480[18:43:20] <TvL2386> r4co0n: very interesting introduction
video
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2481[18:43:26] <TvL2386> need popcorn
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2486[18:44:20] <r4co0n> TvL2386, we only have popcon, sorry.
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2488[18:45:06] <CrystalMath> is there any way to skip the
needless complexity
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2489[18:45:12] <CrystalMath> and just build a package with my
changes
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2490[18:45:15] <TvL2386> :)
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2491[18:45:20] <CrystalMath> a sort of "--just-do-it"
switch
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2492[18:45:26] <CrystalMath> because i need to do a bunch of
these, before i get it right
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2493[18:45:31] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, the complexity you find
needless is just a misunderstanding of the toolchain.
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2495[18:45:34] <CrystalMath> the only way to test, is sadly, by
installing as root
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2496[18:45:58] <CrystalMath> the only thing i have to lose if it
breaks is all the fonts
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2497[18:46:14] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, as long as it is complex,
you are holding it wrong. Sadly, build documentation for separate
packages is often missing or outdated.
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2498[18:46:59] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, have you read into
git-buildpackage and pbuilder?
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2499[18:47:12] <CrystalMath> oh i tried pbuilder
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2500[18:47:15] <CrystalMath> that was waaay too complex
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2501[18:47:33] <CrystalMath> not sure what git-buildpackage is
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2502[18:47:36] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, follow the Debian wiki, it
is good on this stuff.
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2503[18:47:48] <CrystalMath> it says the quick and lazy way
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2504[18:47:50] <CrystalMath> is to do
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2505[18:47:56] <CrystalMath> fakeroot debian/rules binary
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2506[18:47:57] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, it's a wrapper around
everything, including pbuilder and cowbuilder.
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2507[18:48:00] <CrystalMath> but that somehow reverted my changes
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2509[18:49:14] <n-iCe> does Debian still support 32bits?
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2510[18:49:19] <alkisg> Sure
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2511[18:49:25] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, I scrolled back, but what
are you trying to build. Is the source publicly available?
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2512[18:49:37] <CrystalMath> yes, it's libfreetype
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2513[18:49:55] <CrystalMath> i am literally changing the way
libfreetype works
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2514[18:50:04] <CrystalMath> and trying to test out each change
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2515[18:50:05] <CrystalMath> in the C code
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2517[18:50:10] <r4co0n> So, you can build the unchanged code?
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2518[18:50:14] <CrystalMath> yes
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2520[18:50:42] <CrystalMath> but the changed code does not always
build, as i make mistakes...
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2521[18:51:21] <CrystalMath> unfortunately, it is not possible to
test libfreetype without installing it, for some reason
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2522[18:51:28] <CrystalMath> i try to ask people for help without
success
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2523[18:51:38] <rant> n-iCe: 686 or better machines i.e. Pentium
M or such
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2525[18:51:41] <r4co0n> Normally, you add an entry to
debian/changelog, indicating your new version before building. dch
can do this for you. You want something like `~testingmyrebuild1`
appended to the version.
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2526[18:52:12] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, but I think you are holding
it wrong. (tm apple)
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2527[18:52:25] <CrystalMath> okay
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2528[18:52:27] <CrystalMath> i think this worked
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2529[18:52:29] <CrystalMath> now what i did is
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2530[18:52:32] <CrystalMath> made the change
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2531[18:52:37] <CrystalMath> made sure it's correct
(manually)
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2532[18:52:41] <CrystalMath> dpkg-source --commit
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2533[18:52:48] <CrystalMath> which created a patch file
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2534[18:52:53] <CrystalMath> then dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
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2535[18:52:58] <CrystalMath> seems to have created one
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2536[18:53:07] <CrystalMath> the debian/tmp stuff has my change
in it
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2538[18:53:21] <jhutchins_wk> !enter
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2539[18:53:21] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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2541[18:54:00] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, congratulations, still skim
through the new maintainer's guide, it has loads of valuable
information, if you plan to use this changed package for a long
time.
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2542[18:54:31] <CrystalMath> jhutchins_wk: on my channels we
enforce a 40-char line limit
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2545[18:55:07] <CrystalMath> jhutchins_wk: it keeps things
frantic and wild
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2547[18:55:11] <r4co0n> CrystalMath, there's no such limit
here, better get used to it. Apologies accepted.
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2549[18:55:28] <r4co0n> There is a flood limit though.
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2551[18:55:39] <CrystalMath> i'm sort of joking :P i
don't kick people over how they write their messages
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2552[18:56:07] <petn-randall> The flood limit might kick you
though, if you send to many lines to the channel.
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2553[18:56:23] <n-iCe> Do I need debian nonfree if I want a
installation using my wifi card, am I right?
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2554[18:56:32] <jhutchins_wk> CrystalMath: Consider using some
other platform to document procedures. It's good that
you're sharing what worked, it's just that it fills up the
scroll buffer until no-one else can be heard.
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2555[18:56:50] <rant> n-iCe: not necessarily, but there are
installer images that have the firmware included
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2556[18:56:52] <greycat> n-iCe: officially, "it depends on
the card", but in reality, "yes"
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2557[18:56:55] <jhutchins_wk> n-iCe: Depends entirely on what
chipset it has.
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2559[18:57:02] <r4co0n> petn-randall, been there, done that.
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2561[18:57:12] <n-iCe> iwlwifi is my driver I think rant greycat
jhutchins_wk
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2562[18:57:38] <rant> n-iCe: thats irrelevant.. drivers support
many firmwares and devices..
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2564[18:57:41] <noodlepie> I'm running Debian 10/Stable on
our communal PC, I have a problem in that I seem to have installed
some kerberos/krb5 packages that divert "passwd" to the
non-working Kerberos mechanism.
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2565[18:57:51] <n-iCe> rant: ok, let me check my model
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2566[18:57:55] <rant> n-iCe: its best to just get the firmware
installer to me sure
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2567[18:58:06] <rant> n-iCe: there is nothing to lose/gain by
this
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2568[18:58:11] <noodlepie> Guys, is there a simple way to reset
it to just use the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow PAM module? I'm
not sure what to remove, see! :)
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2569[18:58:12] <n-iCe> rant: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel
Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 73)
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2570[18:58:28] <n-iCe> rant: ok, there are only netinstall on
nonfree iso's right?
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2571[18:58:37] <greycat> incorrect
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2572[18:58:38] <n-iCe> I see a lot of trees, branchs, I'm a
little confused.
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2573[18:58:43] <rant> n-iCe: use -nn when doing that.. the pciid
is whats relevant
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2574[18:59:03] <noodlepie> I bought a cheap chinese WiFi dongle
to power our guest WiFi LAN and to my utter amazement it came with
some Linux drivers on the included CD! hehe
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2576[18:59:06] <n-iCe> rant: but, do I need nonfree
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2578[18:59:13] <greycat> the non-free images exist in both DVD-1
and netinst flavors, as well as a -edu- BD flavor for some reason
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2579[18:59:18] <rant> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel
Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b2] (rev 83) is what I have
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2580[18:59:19] <r4co0n> n-iCe, # apt-cache search intel 7260
firmware-iwlwifi - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cards
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2581[18:59:43] <n-iCe> I don't get it.
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2582[18:59:49] <n-iCe> Do I need the nonfree version or normal
one :p
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2583[19:00:04] <r4co0n> n-iCe, you are right, install
firmware-iwlwifi to get your driver, it is non-free.
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2584[19:00:23] <n-iCe> r4co0n: in order to install that package I
need internet=ethernet which I don't have.
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2585[19:00:32] <n-iCe> So, the nonfree netinstall will work for
me
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2586[19:00:33] <n-iCe> thanks
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2587[19:00:34] <petn-randall> n-iCe: If you want to use the wifi
card *during* installation, you'll need the non-free installer.
If you can install via e.g. Ethernet, the default installer is fine.
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2589[19:01:11] <jhutchins_wk> Not all wifi chipsets require
non-free firmwarea.
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2590[19:01:14] <noodlepie> I really don't want to have to
reinstall the whole thing now that it is nearly working, can anyone
help please?
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2591[19:01:21] <r4co0n> petn-randall, I have been fine with
injecting the drivers I want via USB when requested, but your
mileage may vary.
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2593[19:01:36] <noodlepie> Oh, BTW, the included CD drivers came
as source code for Linux, GPL'd and all!
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2597[19:02:12] <rant> n-iCe: no one can ever say anything for
certain with lspci output if you do not use -nn to show the pciid..
we have the same "name" of the device but likely different
pciids
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2599[19:02:36] <jhutchins_wk> noodlepie: I think maybe purging
the kerberos packages would be a good guess at fixing it, but you
could also examine what each package changed. It's likely they
did something to the pam stack.
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2600[19:02:37] <n-iCe> rant: :00.0 Network controller [0280]:
Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b1] (rev 73)
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2601[19:02:46] <n-iCe> rant: 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]:
Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b1] (rev 73)
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2602[19:02:52] <jhutchins_wk> ,pciid 8086:08b1
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2603[19:02:53] <judd> [8086:08b1] is 'Wireless 7260'
from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules
'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel',
'ata-generic' in stretch. See also
replaced-url
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2604[19:02:54] <petn-randall> noodlepie: Have you tried removing
any package containing the string 'krb'?
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2605[19:03:01] <r4co0n> n-iCe, that's the real thing :P
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2606[19:03:04] <noodlepie> Ah, it seems to be cooking now,
I've removed "krb5*" and the Kerberos PAM modules
seems to be being removed,
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2610[19:03:27] <noodlepie> yeah, krb/krb5, same difference!
Thanks petn-randall
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2611[19:03:27] <jhutchins_wk> n-iCe: No firmware required.
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2612[19:03:35] <n-iCe> so normal cd?
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2616[19:03:58] <jhutchins_wk> n-iCe: I would think so. You never
really know until you try.
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2617[19:04:06] <n-iCe> Uhm...
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2622[19:04:28] <elm_> How can I see an ITP bug as an example?
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2625[19:04:42] <r4co0n> n-iCe, you are just asking to be sure, I
assumed you tried and failed?
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2627[19:04:53] <elm_> I have already tried to query for such bugs
but I always get 500 Internal Server error or no results at all
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2629[19:05:10] <n-iCe> no sir, have not tried.
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2630[19:05:16] <n-iCe> I downloaded nonfree netinstall, thank you
guys
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2633[19:05:26] <petn-randall> elm_: Here's an example for an
ITP bug:
replaced-url
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2634[19:05:27] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2635[19:05:31] <r4co0n> n-iCe, try with the free netinstall first
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2636[19:06:01] <r4co0n> n-iCe, your card might be supported, just
give it a shot
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2637[19:06:02] <n-iCe> but what would be the differente I
don't get it.
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2638[19:06:10] <noodlepie> Ah, its ok now, I can change my passwd
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2641[19:06:19] <n-iCe> nonfree has something I don't want in
my desktop?
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2642[19:06:30] <r4co0n> n-iCe, you have no inauditable firmware
for wireless installed.
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2643[19:06:31] <greycat> non-free just adds some firmware and
stuff.
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2646[19:06:59] <rant> yes, that card requires
iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode from firmware-iwlwifi
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2647[19:07:00] <r4co0n> n-iCe, non-free means you just can't
know what you get.
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2648[19:07:02] <greycat> The only reason to spurn the non-free
images is because you're a Freedom purist, or because you need
a full DVD set or something.
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2650[19:07:24] <n-iCe> ok, and can't I just download the
normal iso, and add the driver or somethign in the usb ?
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2651[19:07:29] <greycat> Yes.
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2652[19:07:41] <noodlepie> Debian is great is you need binary,
pre-built package, but really, if you have the horse-power (I have
an 8 core i7 laptop) then Gentoo is really quite good too!
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2653[19:07:47] <r4co0n> greycat, we are talking about the
official images being sub-par because of less drivers?
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2656[19:07:49] <noodlepie> GNU/Linux is like Manna from Heaven!
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2657[19:08:10] <greycat> r4co0n: I'm talking about a laptop
user trying to install Debian
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2662[19:08:28] <n-iCe> Downloading
replaced-url
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2665[19:08:53] <r4co0n> greycat, I have (to my surprise) brought
up quite some laptops without trying the all-drivers image.
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2669[19:09:28] <r4co0n> greycat, I would lie if I'd say I
haven't used it, but it can be avoided more often than
you'd think.
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2670[19:10:04] <greycat> r4co0n: the problem being that when it
*does* fail, you have a massive headache trying to fix it
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2673[19:11:17] <r4co0n> greycat, that's implying non-free
doesn't fail, which is, after some thought, plainly ridiculous.
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2676[19:12:03] <r4co0n> If I got a stable open-source driver for
something, I'd much rather trust it than the new idea vendor x
wants to throw at me.
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2683[19:14:41] <n-iCe> Done, any tool to create the usb bootable
in linux?
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2686[19:15:54] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2687[19:15:55] <r4co0n> n-iCe, last time i heard, you just use
cp.
replaced-url
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2688[19:16:12] <greycat> probably better to link to buster's
notes than jessie's
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2690[19:16:43] <r4co0n> n-iCe,
replaced-url
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2692[19:16:49] <r4co0n> greycat, thanks
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2693[19:17:39] <n-iCe> good
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2695[19:17:42] <n-iCe> brb time to reboot
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2696[19:17:44] <n-iCe> wish me luck
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2700[19:18:06] <CrystalMath> i can't shake the feeling that
a little conversation with freetype developers would have helped me
solve this yesterday
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2701[19:18:12] <CrystalMath> but they don't have an IRC
channel :(
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2702[19:18:25] <r4co0n> (Excluding that current release notes
just plain skip this task)
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2710[19:22:50] <n-iCe> Did not work, asks me to load the
firmware.
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2712[19:23:11] <r4co0n> n-iCe, using non-free installer already?
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2713[19:23:19] <n-iCe> r4co0n: no, the one you told me
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2714[19:23:22] <n-iCe> to try the normal iso
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2715[19:23:27] <n-iCe> now gonna use the other one
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2718[19:24:06] <r4co0n> r4co0n, you can sideload a specific deb,
but you can also just use non-free, which has all of them.
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2720[19:24:09] <Akuw> i am trying to run a VPN software in my
debian, but it needs a pre-shared key
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2721[19:24:19] <n-iCe> brb again see you guys
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2722[19:24:23] <Akuw> how can i load that psk
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2724[19:24:38] <r4co0n> n-Ice, you can sideload a specific deb,
but you can also just use non-free, which has all of them.
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2726[19:25:13] <r4co0n> Sorry for the unsuccessful work
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2730[19:27:24] <jhutchins_wk> Odd that the DB listing for that
chipset doesn't mention firmware. That's usually reliable.
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2732[19:28:03] <greycat> can you show one that *does* point out
needed firmware?
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2742[19:37:32] <AlpacaFace> Can't access debian wiki using
proxy?
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2744[19:38:02] <AlpacaFace> or vpn rather..
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2746[19:38:33] <jmcnaught> Some VPNs are blocked because of
abuse.
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2748[19:39:07] <AlpacaFace> got it, thnx
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2773[19:49:06] <omnio> hello, when a package is marked as
automatically installed, is there a way to find out what was the
package that requested/recommended it to be installed?
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2780[19:50:35] <jmcnaught> omnio: you can run 'aptitude why
<package>' but it will only tell you the first reason it
could find which might be some suggests dependency instead of the
one that installed the automatic package.
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2781[19:50:44] <jmcnaught> so it might tell you, might not
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2783[19:51:46] <omnio> it's good enough, thanks
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2786[19:53:52] <greycat> There's no history mechanism within
apt/aptitude. All it can do is examine the current state and the
available packages.
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2787[19:54:40] <jmcnaught> omnio: you could also review the logs
in /var/log/apt if it's not already been rotated out
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2788[19:54:48] <greycat> So anything like "which of my
packages are from before buster" isn't directly
answerable. All it can do is say "hey, this libssl1.0.0 package
isn't in any of your lists".
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2789[19:55:20] <petn-randall> omnio: You can also look at
/var/log/apt/history.log* for which command installed that package.
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2794[19:56:41] <omnio> great info, thanks guys
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2797[19:57:12] <n-iCe> I'm here guys!! Selected xfce, hope I
did good.
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2799[19:57:46] <greycat> "good" is for you to evaluate,
not us
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2800[19:58:08] <rant> you could do worse
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2809[20:02:14] <n-iCe> rant: greycat: is incredible fast
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2810[20:02:25] <greycat> yay
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2811[20:02:41] <n-iCe> thank you again
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2814[20:02:53] <n-iCe> it reminds me a lot to gnome2
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2818[20:04:07] <rant> yeah, well gnome2 is now called MATE and is
a much more mature codebase
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2822[20:04:44] <jhutchins_wk> rant: You think gnome is more
mature than xfce?
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2825[20:05:07] <greycat> mature just means old, so you could
check the start dates of the projects
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2826[20:05:12] <rant> I didn't say anything about mate
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2827[20:05:24] <rant> and I wasnt referring to age
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2828[20:05:35] <rant> erm I didn't say anything about gnome
I meant to say
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2829[20:05:35] <greycat> then "mature" was the wrong
word choice
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2830[20:05:55] <rant> maturity is frequently used to refer to
something other than age
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2833[20:07:13] <rant> something I noticed recently on my system
trying xfce and mate, I have a T440 and was using both VGA and DP
output in addition to my laptop display... mate would restore
whatever config I last used with whatever displays were connected
upon connecting them, both audio and video, and xfce I had to
manually change this
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2834[20:07:19] <rant> is one such example
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2840[20:10:06] <rant> maturity in the sense I implied was an
overall intuitive continuity of the UI to provide a robust and
easily configurable user experience
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2842[20:10:31] <rant> xfce is nice, to be sure.. but its not yet
up to par with all that has been achieved with mate
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2844[20:10:43] <omnio> I guess xfce started more like a
minimalistic desktop and they kept adding stuff, so the result was
sort of a hybrid philosophy
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2847[20:11:09] <rant> yes and certain inconsistencies in there
indicate such
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2851[20:11:49] <greycat> A lot of people do seem happy with mate.
Nice to hear.
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2854[20:11:54] <nixonix> ive only used mate with mint, and it was
awhile back. what is the default filemanager in mate? (debian)
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2858[20:12:05] <Cyanoxygen> Caja
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2862[20:12:22] <nixonix> i dont like it that much..
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2864[20:12:42] <alkisg> It's a fork of gnome 2 nautilus
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2865[20:12:46] <alkisg> Like everything in mate...
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2866[20:13:18] <Cyanoxygen> I used MATE in debian for years, and
not encountering much problems
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2868[20:13:50] <nixonix> i guess i have to install debian mate
and give it a try
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2869[20:14:16] <Cyanoxygen> Maybe you should not try it in
production env
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2870[20:15:18] <nixonix> i have to admint im not a fan of thunar,
tho
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2871[20:15:20] <Akuw> i am trying to run a VPN software in my
debian, but it needs a pre-shared key
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2874[20:15:32] <Akuw> how can i load pre-shared key
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2875[20:15:50] <nixonix> i think i like dolphin
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2878[20:16:34] <greycat> 13:24 Akuw> i am trying to run a VPN
software in my debian, but it needs a pre-shared key
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2879[20:16:39] <greycat> 14:15 Akuw> i am trying to run a VPN
software in my debian, but it needs a pre-shared key
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2880[20:16:56] <Akuw> yes, no answer
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2881[20:17:04] <greycat> Don't just hit the up arrow and the
enter key. Show that you PURSUED your own question during that hour.
Share what you learned during that hour.
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2882[20:17:20] <Akuw> take it easy man, i send second message
after almost 1 hour
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2884[20:17:41] <Akuw> ilearned nothing, i was eating bro
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2886[20:17:50] <greycat> And you didn't put ANY EFFORT into
it. No additional information given. No grammar/spelling changes
(lower-case I). Nothing.
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2890[20:18:29] <greycat> !repeating
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2891[20:18:30] <dpkg> We read your question the first time, and
if we haven't replied, there's a good chance we either
don't know, don't have time to answer, or someone
doesn't like you. Repeating is annoying. <replaced-url
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2892[20:18:31] <Akuw> greycat: you look like my mother LMAO
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2893[20:18:50] <Akuw> ok
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2894[20:18:58] <HEX0> How long will Debian 10 be supported?
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2895[20:19:29] <dvs> HEX0, At least a year after the release of
bullseye
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2896[20:19:32] <petn-randall> Akuw: If you can show that you put
effort into getting an answer by yourself, people are a lot more
willing to help you.
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2897[20:19:40] <greycat> Until a minimum of 1 year after the
release of Debian 11. In practice, usually there is LTS support for
server packages (web servers, etc.) for 5 years from the stable
release date.
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2898[20:19:56] <Akuw> i did
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2899[20:19:58] <petn-randall> Akuw: Also, ad-hominem attacks on
other people in this channel won't get you very far.
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2900[20:20:01] <jmcnaught> LTS supports more than server software
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2901[20:20:14] <Akuw> attacks?
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2902[20:20:23] <Akuw> i know greycat
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2903[20:20:34] <Akuw> many times here
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2904[20:20:37] <Cyanoxygen> We need to know what software do u
use
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2905[20:20:39] <greycat> If your mother looks like me, I feel
sorry for her.
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2906[20:20:40] <Akuw> so dont get angry
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2908[20:20:50] <Akuw> hehehhe
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2911[20:21:11] <BCMM> HEX0: ~2022
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2913[20:21:21] <Akuw> i am using SonicWall VPN Client
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2914[20:21:26] <HEX0> I'm not super familiar with Debian
life cycle. I wonder which stable release is best for desktop, how
long can you use the browser and not have things break until you
have to upgrade to the next major release
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2915[20:21:38] <petn-randall> Akuw: So how far did you get in
that one hour of research?
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2916[20:21:49] <BCMM> HEX0: there will probably be LTS support
after that (but LTS support is more limited than most people realise
and certain caveats must be active taken in to account)
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2917[20:21:56] <greycat> HEX0: for a desktop system, you
generally want to upgrade to each new stable release.
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2918[20:22:03] <petn-randall> HEX0: I'd go with the latest
stable release on a desktop.
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2919[20:22:06] <Akuw> well, i try to run using wine, because
there is another application from same company
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2920[20:22:10] <HEX0> greycat: how often is that?
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2922[20:22:20] <greycat> every 2-3 years, historically, but there
is no fixed schedule
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2923[20:22:22] <Akuw> one: NetExtender
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2924[20:22:34] <greycat> !release history
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2925[20:22:34] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story"
characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3;
1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09),
Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1;
2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14),
Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8;
2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next:
Bullseye.
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2926[20:22:34] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: What does wine have to do
with VPN?
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2927[20:22:35] <Akuw> two: Global VPN Client
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2932[20:23:10] <Akuw> because i was trying to run the software
that request pre-shared key
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2933[20:23:23] <Akuw> the extender don' t request that
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2934[20:23:25] <BCMM> Akuw: you're not trying to run a VPN
client through Wine, right?
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2938[20:24:04] <Akuw> yes, i was trying to install, but in final
part i got an error to install
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2939[20:24:05] <noodlepie> Well, it seems I managed to remove the
Kerberos support thing, the system seem OK now!
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2941[20:24:54] <noodlepie> I've used Debian for about 25
years, I installed it on our web servers when I worked in London for
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2942[20:24:54] <Akuw> the only thing i need now is to add
pre-shared key to SonicWall NetExtender
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2943[20:25:37] <noodlepie> I even tried using Unstable, which
back then was quite primitive compared to today's Debian. It
all worked perfectly! Great work guys!
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2945[20:26:35] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: In no way is this a Debian
problem. You need to consult the documentation and support for the
client you're trying to install. Chances are it won't work
in wine.
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2947[20:26:52] <BCMM> Akuw: i am reasonably sure that you are not
going to successfully run the Windows version of a VPN client on
linux
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2950[20:27:32] <Akuw> i am not sure, pre-shared key is related to
OS
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2951[20:27:38] <Akuw> not to the software
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2952[20:27:48] <BCMM> wine works well for a large range of, like,
normal applications. but a vpn client is not going to manage to use
whatever API it uses to create a network interface on Windows
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2953[20:28:09] <BCMM> Akuw: ah, so it's not the actual VPN
client that you're trying to run in wine?
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2954[20:28:15] <noodlepie> Sorry, that URL was supposed to be
replaced-url
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2955[20:28:28] <Akuw> wine was only another test
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2956[20:28:49] <Akuw> my concern now is make SonicWall
NetExtender use pre-shared key
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2957[20:28:58] <HEX0> I'm looking for a distro for a non
tech savy relative to replace the 5 year old Mint install. So far
trying to decide between Debian, Xubuntu, Opensuse Leap
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2959[20:29:37] <greycat> You'll be the tech support for that
person, so choose whatever *you* are comfortable supporting.
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2961[20:29:49] <Cyanoxygen> Cant help with
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2962[20:29:55] <BCMM> HEX0: how non tech savy? enough that
you'll basically be doing all maintenance anyway? or are you
looking for something they'll actually be able to use totally
independently?
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2963[20:30:08] <jugglinmike> A recent security update for MySQL
changed the root MySQL user account in a way that broke my
application. I'd like to avoid this in the future by running a
script every time the package is updated. Is that possible? Or is
there another solution?
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2964[20:30:11] <HEX0> BCMM: basically pushing buttons to update
and install packages
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2965[20:30:23] <lol768> Hello!
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2966[20:30:30] <greycat> why would your application be using the
root MySQL account
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2967[20:30:34] <lol768> I updated, and noticed I now have
iptables and iptables-legacy
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2969[20:30:56] <lol768> am I safe to change the policy to ACCEPT
for iptables-legacy and flush all the rules
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2970[20:31:01] <jugglinmike> Not sure, greycat. Inherited it
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2971[20:31:07] <HEX0> BCMM: something that can handle automatic
updates without fear of crashing mid update and nuking system
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2972[20:31:11] <lol768> (provided obviously that it looks safe in
`iptables` :P)
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2973[20:31:48] <BCMM> HEX0: debian stable is very good at not
falling over because of updates. that's sort of it's whole
point.
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2974[20:32:00] <BCMM> needs manual attention every ~2 years when
a new version comes out, though
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2975[20:32:09] <Cyanoxygen> Just try debian stable then
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2976[20:32:13] <Akuw> the problem is "Warning: self signed
certificate"
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2977[20:32:31] <HEX0> BCMM: does it use gnome-software or
something else ?
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2978[20:32:35] <Akuw> and that is related to pre-share key
because i test in a windows computer
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2980[20:33:03] <Akuw> in that, software request psk
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2981[20:33:18] <noodlepie> I got a job offer working in Clitheroe
(near Manchester, England) for a 3 month initial contract paying
300UKP a day, and full time after that - if the grade is met!!
Wowzer, I knew my cushty @GNU.org email alias I got programming for
the GNU
replaced-url
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2982[20:33:23] <Cyanoxygen> Depends on which DE u use (how to say
"gnome-software"?)
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2983[20:34:06] <HEX0> If I install the xfce one is there a GUI
part that the user can use to find and install packages relatively
easily?
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2985[20:35:43] <BCMM> HEX0: there are various graphical frontends
available for apt
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2986[20:36:16] <BCMM> afaik all desktop tasks install one, but
not all the same one
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2987[20:36:46] <HEX0> I assume debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-xfce.iso
would also install xfce desktop by default, so wondering if that is
already preconfigured by hand holding for a "App Store"
frontend
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2988[20:37:11] <Cyanoxygen> Probably no
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2990[20:38:19] <BCMM> i usually only do netinstall, but i think
it will still ask you what DE to install?
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2993[20:38:31] <Cyanoxygen> Mostly you could see is Synaptic or
something similar to that
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2994[20:38:41] <BCMM> and just have to download stuff from the
web if you don't use the one it already has
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2996[20:39:26] <BCMM> HEX0:
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2997[20:39:29] <Cyanoxygen> Me usually netinst too, if you choose
xfce live cd here, maybe you should double-check that installer have
chosen the right de during install
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2999[20:40:14] <noodlepie> It really comes down to how they feel
about licensing my work under the GPL, which I feel is a great
business tool to keeping the client coming back voluntarily! Keeping
it free for all means new features get shared, with or without you.
I sell GPL'd code as "Fun, free stuff you can do with a
computer" - everyone gets that!
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3000[20:40:23] <HEX0> hmm I'm not sure if Synaptic will make
sense to a grandma, and it seems I'd have to manually configure
everything and hope I didn't forget anything
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3004[20:41:28] <Cyanoxygen> Yes, even synaptic is not so friendly
xd, but if you choose debian then you should know that
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3005[20:41:36] <BCMM> actually, i was wondering about this: what
does one use for tray update notifications in lxde these days (on
buster)?
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3006[20:41:59] <BCMM> i seem to recall, in stretch, that there
was a much simpler UI available for updates
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3011[20:42:49] <BCMM> ah, package-update-indicator, i think?
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3015[20:42:55] <HEX0> Cyanoxygen: I was hoping one of the
desktops has a decent App store/update manager already preconfigured
but it seems it's only the case for debian downstream distros
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3018[20:43:40] <BCMM> HEX0: for updates, there's a very
user-friendly option available
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3019[20:44:05] <HEX0> BCMM: part of xfce meta?
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3020[20:44:12] <BCMM> no, i think that's something extra
you'd have to install
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3021[20:44:58] <Cyanoxygen> Maybe u shoud Install manually
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3022[20:45:10] <HEX0> and debian with gnome-shell has
gnome-software? I remember it was quite broken a few years ago when
I used it not finding certain packages etc. Is it any good now?
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3023[20:45:17] <BCMM> imho it probably should be in the
metapackage
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3025[20:45:34] <BCMM> HEX0: honestly that's probably too
vague to answer. *what* was missing?
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3026[20:46:05] <Cyanoxygen> But if you are focused to updates,
just write a simple script and take it to run routinely
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3027[20:46:13] <HEX0> BCMM: I don't know how it indexed
packages. but it would only show like apps and not some more obscure
packages like drivers for CUPS etc
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3029[20:46:50] <BCMM> HEX0: yeah, that's quite a common
trade-off for making "user friendly" package management
frontends
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3031[20:47:06] <greycat> !unattended-upgrades
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3032[20:47:06] <dpkg> i heard unattended-upgrades is a package
for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See
replaced-url
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3034[20:47:25] <greycat> that's totally differnt form an
"app store" analogue
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3036[20:47:36] <Cyanoxygen> Ye
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3038[20:47:59] <HEX0> Linux Mint despite it's flaws has
quite decent app store. it was quite easy for my relatives to use.
not complicated like synaptic, yet showed packages and even comments
like it's an app store
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3039[20:49:23] <Cyanoxygen> I think deepin is what you want
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3042[20:49:53] <HEX0> Cyanoxygen: deepin DE?
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3043[20:50:08] <Cyanoxygen> No, debian based distro
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3045[20:50:16] <greycat> !deepin
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3046[20:50:16] <dpkg> deepin is a Chinese distribution <based
on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at
replaced-url
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3053[20:51:14] <HEX0> can you recommend it stability wise?
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3054[20:51:38] <BCMM> i don't think any derivatives are more
stable than debian stable
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3056[20:52:06] <Cyanoxygen> :thinking:
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3058[20:52:08] <HEX0> yeah that's why I came here, feeling
that there should be least ammount of problems with debian
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3059[20:52:11] <jmcnaught> derivatives usually have smaller
security teams and support communities as well
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3063[20:53:21] <greycat> The "derivatives" usually have
a focus, where they add packages or have newer versions of packages
than Debian has, but at the cost of diverting support away from
other packages/features.
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3066[20:53:46] <greycat> E.g. ubuntu wants to focus on the end
user experience, parrot wants to focus on haxx0r-shit, etc.
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3067[20:53:57] <HEX0> I'm gonna give it a test drive. see
how hands free debian xfce can be
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3068[20:54:00] <kreyren> ,v mono-devel
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3069[20:54:01] <judd> Package: mono-devel on amd64 -- jessie:
3.2.8+dfsg-10; jessie-security: 3.2.8+dfsg-10+deb8u1; stretch:
4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; bullseye: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3; buster:
5.18.0.240+dfsg-3; sid: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3
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3070[20:54:09] <kreyren> meh
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3076[20:55:58] <BCMM> i thought parrot's focus was
"sending bewildered users to #debian"
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3077[20:56:12] * rant agrees, mono is the devel :P
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3081[20:57:24] <Cyanoxygen> * shrug
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3082[20:57:49] <HEX0> Is it safe to assume debian stable never
has News Items requiring manual intervention to handle some update?
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3084[20:58:58] <greycat> No. There are occasionally times when a
Debian stable security update breaks things (e.g. Samba).
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3085[20:59:01] <greycat> !jessie samba
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3086[20:59:02] <dpkg> A security update in jessie upgrades Samba
to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <replaced-url
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3088[20:59:26] <pthomas> when I do 'ifdown eth0' then
'ifup eth0' the interface never comes back, I'm not
sure this is a debian issue I but I wanted to see where to poke and
what should be expected when I do this
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3089[20:59:27] <BCMM> greycat: is there something i can sign up
to to find out about rare events like that, by the way?
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3091[20:59:40] <greycat> The should be mentioned in the DSAs.
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3092[20:59:53] <greycat> !dsa
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3093[20:59:53] <dpkg> [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see
replaced-url
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3095[21:00:24] <BCMM> greycat: fantastically comprehensive
factoid there! i should subscribe to one of those
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3097[21:01:08] <BCMM> oh, that's just every security issue
that prompted an updated package, right? no way to filter for things
that might need manual intervention?
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3099[21:01:26] <greycat> correct
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3100[21:01:54] <HEX0> I guess I should also mention that I'm
a bit of a noob when it comes to debian. I used it briefly 10 years
ago. Have some basic understanding how to use apt. But other than
that I'm more comfortable with minimal distros where you set
everything up so you have an idea if something goes wrong where to
look
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3102[21:02:36] <alkisg> BCMM: I usually set up remote support and
take over their screen/mouse when they need help; that way I
don't have to teach them about software centers etc :)
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3103[21:02:41] <annadane> point updates may require some
intervention
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3104[21:02:46] <annadane> individual packages? very unlikely
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3106[21:03:14] <annadane> that said i know apt got an update and
the security email thingy said "because it's apt, do
this..."
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3108[21:03:27] <annadane> (was a security upgrade)
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3114[21:05:23] <n-iCe> bash: add-apt-repository: command not
found
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3115[21:05:27] <n-iCe> amd I doing it wrong?
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3116[21:05:39] <greycat> is it supposed to be apt-add-repository
by chance?
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3118[21:05:50] <n-iCe> oh, let me check
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3119[21:06:03] <n-iCe> noup
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3120[21:06:05] <n-iCe> ahaha
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3121[21:06:08] <n-iCe> bash: apt-add-repository: command not
found
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3122[21:06:13] <ratrace> debsecan is a tool of horror...
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3123[21:06:20] <greycat> ,file apt-add-repository
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3124[21:06:25] <judd> Search for apt-add-repository in
buster/amd64: software-properties-common: usr/bin/apt-add-repository
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3126[21:06:35] <jhutchins_wk> I believe apt-add-repository is an
ubuntuism, isn't it?
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3127[21:06:39] <n-iCe> maybe
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3128[21:06:47] <greycat> it's apparently in a package called
"software-properties-common"
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3129[21:06:50] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, no, I guess not.
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3137[21:08:39] <annadane> i've sometimes thought of reading
those security emails in full just in case there's something
manual like this... but i'm losing interest
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3144[21:12:30] <annadane> it's of course the right thing to
do though, you *should* read those
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3145[21:12:59] <annadane> but you'd never know to do that if
you had say unattended upgrades set up
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3148[21:13:17] <annadane> presumably it'd just update apt
without the advice given in the security email
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3149[21:13:20] <hero> I am running debian installer inside
virtualbox. I have set "debconf/frontend=noninteractive"
but the installer stops and asks "Scan another CD or DVD".
It is happening every time. All other things are handled correctly.
Do I need to add something else to disable this question?
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3150[21:13:45] <hero> I have taken the "boot_command"
from
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3179[21:28:48] <lindylex> I am having issues with apt. Any help
would greatly be appreciated
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3180[21:29:35] <jhutchins_wk> lindylex: Please summarize here.
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3181[21:29:46] <jhutchins_wk> !paste
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3182[21:29:46] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
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3185[21:30:15] <jhutchins_wk> lindylex: Also: pastebin is blocked
by some corporate firewalls (they had spam/malware problems a while
back).
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3188[21:30:25] <Ronskie1993> Hey
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3189[21:30:31] <lindylex> Ok let me use a different past
location.
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3190[21:30:40] <jmcnaught> lindylex: first tip: stop using -y
with apt so that you have a chance to stop something stupid. Also
testing support is on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next
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3192[21:31:56] <jhutchins_wk> lindylex: Please paste your
sources.list
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3193[21:32:03] <lindylex> Ok
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3196[21:34:50] <lindylex> jhutchins_wk :
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3199[21:35:08] <lindylex> source.list is at the bottom.
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3210[21:43:27] <IntoxicatedDrive> Hi
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3213[21:43:54] <petn-randall> hi IntoxicatedDrive
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3214[21:44:23] <jhutchins_wk> lindylex: Has this run successfully
since you updated it?
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3215[21:45:11] <lindylex> The computer runs fine. I can not run
any updates. I think it failed while complaining about the video
card.
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3217[21:45:45] <lindylex> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller:
NVIDIA Corporation GF108GLM [Quadro 1000M] (rev ff)
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3223[21:46:43] <jhutchins_wk> lindylex: The problem looks like
you have stretch on there, and since you enabled "testing"
instead of "buster", you are now trying to go from stretch
to bullseye, skipping buster. Skiping a major release pretty much
never works.
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3227[21:48:18] <lindylex> I only have testing enabled.
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3228[21:48:49] <lindylex> deb
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3229[21:48:49] <lindylex> deb-src
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3230[21:48:49] <lindylex> deb-src
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3234[21:50:36] <karlpinc> lindylex: Yes, that confirms what
jhutchins_wk said.
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3235[21:51:16] <greycat> did this machine never get updated for 3
years?
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3236[21:51:30] <lindylex> Testing is a constant. I update it
every 2 weeks.
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3240[21:52:16] <karlpinc> Ok, so looks like I'm wrong.
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3241[21:52:22] <greycat> OK, then it shouldn't be a
"tried to leapfrog paste buster" situation.
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3242[21:52:39] <lindylex> Correct
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3243[21:53:21] <lindylex> The initial instal was testing 2 years
ago and I update it every 2 weeks.
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3246[21:53:29] <karlpinc> Could be a "testing is
broken" situation. Perhaps try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net.
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3248[21:53:43] <lindylex> I will.
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3249[21:53:51] <karlpinc> lindylex: Testing is likely break a lot
after a major release comes out.
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3251[21:54:11] <NetTerminalGene> you guys experience 0.5 second
delay when launching apps on buster with gnome?
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3252[21:54:13] <lindylex> Oh I see what you are saying.
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3279[22:09:47] <SPiRiT__> Hi there :) I've downloaded 3 DVDs
for Debian 10. The installation went fine under the installer asks
me to switch to DVD 3, works a bit, and then keeps asking to
re-insert dvd 1 in a loop. Any idea why?
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3280[22:09:57] <SPiRiT__> *until
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3284[22:11:33] <petn-randall> SPiRiT__: Did you burn those DVD
images, or did you prepare them differently (e.g. USB)?
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3285[22:11:51] <SPiRiT__> petn-randall: I tried it on VM
(VirtualBox).
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3286[22:12:19] <SPiRiT__> If that's important, then I
disconnected the network from that vm... Just wanted to play with it
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3287[22:13:11] <petn-randall> And you did insert DVD1?
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3290[22:13:41] <SPiRiT__> Of course :) It didn't accept it
and kept asing me to insert dvd 1. I tried to select others as well,
nothing helped.
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3293[22:14:50] <SPiRiT__> If it matters, at the installation
process I selected GNOME desktop + SSH server only. Other options
were not selected.
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3296[22:15:42] <humpled> you burned real DVDs and now you're
installing it where?
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3299[22:16:05] <SPiRiT__> No humpled. not read dvds. I used the 3
downloaded iso files in a virtual machine.
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3301[22:16:20] <SPiRiT__> *not real {sorry for my typos}
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3302[22:16:24] <humpled> ah
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3304[22:17:13] <SPiRiT__> I tried it twice to check if I
accidently did something wrong, but it looks like it repeats. Either
the ISOs are corrupted, or there is a problem in the installation
process.
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3305[22:17:34] <SPiRiT__> Again, it's either because I
installed with NO NETWORK connected, or it's related to my
selected packages (GNOME+SSH Server)...
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3308[22:19:32] <jhutchins_wk> SPiRiT__: You should check the crc
on the isos.
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3309[22:19:51] <SPiRiT__> Umm... I used torrents. give me a sec i
am checking :)
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3310[22:20:03] <jhutchins_wk> SPiRiT__: You should usually be
able to install a basic desktop with just image 1.
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3312[22:20:50] <jhutchins_wk> (Unless you need
internationalization.)
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3314[22:21:33] <SPiRiT__> jhutchins_wk: Yes it was strange to me
that it asked for dvd 3... but it did. [I am new to debian]
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3317[22:22:07] <SPiRiT__> jhutchins_wk: I've just checked
md5 for the iso - and it is OK... iso is not corrupted!
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3322[22:23:17] <SPiRiT__> Another thing that comes to my mind, I
selected Hebrew keyboard, so maybe it's related :/ I will try
later to reinstall with English only, maybe it's somehow
related :/
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3405[23:21:36] <SoDamnGreasy> I've got an issue trying to
install Debian Buster using the debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-kde.iso
image. it boots into the live environment and installs, and then
when I go to boot from the HDD, it says something about invalid
arch-dependent elf magic. i'm in way above my head here, the
last time I used linux was the time of Slackware and LILO. what did
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3406[23:21:36] <SoDamnGreasy> I do wrong?
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3409[23:22:36] <KaffeeKatrin> I got one of these old mechanical
ibm keyboards without windows keys and US Layout, is there a way to
get the proper keyboard layout?
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3410[23:23:09] <SoDamnGreasy> idk dude, I'm just trying to
install buster.
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3411[23:23:56] <karlpinc> SoDamnGreasy: Well, the recommend way
is to use the netinstall image. Probably the unoffical one with
non-free firmware included is easiest.
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3413[23:24:12] <karlpinc> !firmware images
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3414[23:24:13] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
replaced-url
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3416[23:24:58] <karlpinc> SoDamnGreasy: That way you also
don't have to worry about 32 v.s. 64 bit arch, the netinstall
just installs the right one for you.