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          1 [00:00:24] <sine0> ok cool chaddy. Do I need to format the
            usb first
           
         
        
          2 [00:00:37] <fryguy> no  
         
        
          3 [00:00:45] <zykotick9> sine0: NO, it will over write
            everything.
           
         
        
          4 [00:00:45] <chaddy> sine0: no, dd will blast it down to the
            foundations
           
         
        
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          11 [00:03:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> vic, this is different... you
            don't copy it on the filesystem on the stick, you copy it to
            the raw device... windows has no raw devices exposed like that
           
         
        
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          14 [00:04:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> sine0, make sure you don't
            write to the wrong device
           
         
        
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          19 [00:06:20] <sine0> hehe  
         
        
          20 [00:06:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, no kidding
           
         
        
          21 [00:06:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> if it's gone, it's gone
           
         
        
          22 [00:07:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> …and only your backups
            remain
           
         
        
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          25 [00:09:01] <sine0> when using dd for a 600mb file, isnt it a
            good idea to set the packetsize
           
         
        
          26 [00:09:04] <sine0> or byte buffer thing
           
         
        
          27 [00:09:14] <sine0> like one is quicker than the other if i
            remember
           
         
        
          28 [00:09:14] <TomTomTosch> just use cp.
           
         
        
          29 [00:09:36] <TomTomTosch> cp is used in the official docs.
           
         
        
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          33 [00:11:23] <TomTomTosch>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          36 [00:16:00] <miesco> How do I stop mpd from running by the
            systeM? (I run as user)
           
         
        
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          40 [00:18:00] <TomTomTosch> if you don't want a service to
            run on startup you can use systemctl disable mpd.service or
            systemctl stop if you just want to stop it for now.
           
         
        
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          44 [00:20:50] <miesco> Is it normal to have like 7
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          72 [00:34:44] <miesco> ?  
         
        
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          98 [00:49:09] <doebi> when is the chromium package going to be
            updated?
           
         
        
          99 [00:49:42] <doebi> i am waiting for a bugfix for more than
            six weeks now.
           
         
        
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          101 [00:50:52] <TomTomTosch> ask google when the next chromium
            version comes out?
           
         
        
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          103 [00:51:11] <x86iac> do you think they are just waiting for
            you to raise real hell?
           
         
        
          104 [00:51:33] <jelly> ,v chromium  
         
        
          105 [00:51:34] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze:
            0.9.14.1-2; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy:
            37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 50.0.2661.94-1~deb8u1;
            jessie-proposed-updates: 51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
            51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; stretch: 51.0.2704.79-1; sid: 51.0.2704.79-1
           
         
        
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          110 [00:53:17] <x86iac> turns out they are waiting for you to
            post a youtube video of you yelling and screaming for the next
            release ..
           
         
        
          111 [00:53:25] <BaW> damn  
         
        
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          113 [00:54:35] <jelly> TomTomTosch, upstream is at 51.0.2704.10
           
         
        
          114 [00:54:39] <jelly> .106  
         
        
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          117 [00:56:00] <jelly>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          120 [00:57:12] <sine0> damn. changing the SSD 128GB in my new HP
            laptop for a spare 500GB scsi will not work because there is no
            connections for the harddrive and the SSD is smaller than the ram
            slot! might as well be a usb drive ffs
           
         
        
          121 [00:57:36] <sine0> now i will have to clonezilla the ssd with
            windows 10 to keep my license
           
         
        
          122 [00:57:43] <sine0> amirite  
         
        
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          147 [01:15:21] <TomTomTosch> fine, i retract my statement and
            change it to "as soon as the changes in upstream warrant a
            version bump". which a few patches don't.
           
         
        
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          154 [01:17:12] <x86iac> TomTomTosch: to late ... i already edited
            the video of trigglypuff to demand the new version ... and sent it
            for you ;)
           
         
        
          155 [01:17:34] <x86iac>
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          165 [01:21:34] <TomTomTosch> why the mockery? his question was
            justified.
           
         
        
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          171 [01:23:16] <doebi> trolls be trolling
           
         
        
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          175 [01:27:02] <tom99> uh did TomTomTosch refer to himself in the
            3rd person there? o_o
           
         
        
          176 [01:27:25] <TomTomTosch> did he?  
         
        
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          179 [01:29:07] <TomTomTosch> no, i did not refer to myself.
           
         
        
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          182 [01:30:08] <sl4v3> can anyone tell me how to enable anonymous
            access to openldap?
           
         
        
          183 [01:30:26] <sl4v3> i'm trying to get an answer to this,
            but all i find are legacy solutions for when there's an actual
            slapd.conf.
           
         
        
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          192 [01:35:32] <x86iac> self trolling?  
         
        
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          195 [01:36:41] <x86iac> sl4v3: is this what you didn't want
            in slapd.conf ? <who> ::= * | [anonymous | users | self |
            dn[.<basic-style>]=<regex> |
            dn.<scope-style>=<DN>]
           
         
        
          196 [01:37:52] <x86iac> why don't you want to have a
            slapd.conf?
           
         
        
          197 [01:38:19] <sl4v3> x86iac: well, i guess that's the
            "old" way. :)
           
         
        
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          205 [01:41:14] <sl4v3> x86iac: slapd configuration is just laid
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          207 [01:42:20] <x86iac> what is the 'new' way? do you
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          209 [01:44:18] <Neo> anyone know how to get ifup to do more
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          211 [01:44:32] <Neo> all I have in my syslog is: "ifup[505]:
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          212 [01:44:43] <Neo> which is kinda ambiguous
           
         
        
          213 [01:44:46] <sl4v3> x86iac: i have no idea. that's what
            i'm trying to find out. at present, it seems to require
            authentication.
           
         
        
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          218 [01:47:28] <x86iac> Neo: can you start the driver in
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            compiled my driver in debug mode and it bombarded my
            /var/log/messages)
           
         
        
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          225 [01:49:27] <Neo> x86iac: I think its a config issue, not a
            driver issue. I've added scripts to my /etc/network/interfaces
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          227 [01:50:02] <x86iac> in your *syslog.conf file kern.*
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          229 [01:50:29] <Neo> AH wait I've got it 'ip -6 route
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          230 [01:50:52] <Neo> probably because my v6 tunnel gets started
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          231 [01:51:18] <x86iac> if all else fails bring up eth0 in
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          232 [01:51:41] <x86iac> i had to do that so eth0 would be up
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          243 [02:06:05] <vjacob> hi all. is there any way to check from
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            taken or not? I've looked at /proc and at lspci but none of
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          245 [02:06:54] <x86iac> lshw  
         
        
          246 [02:07:55] <mutante> vjacob: lspci -t shows a tree
           
         
        
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          248 [02:09:03] <vjacob> mutante, I've looked at that, but it
            does not seem to give me the detail level, which I would like as in
            ("free slot")
           
         
        
          249 [02:09:49] <mutante> vjacob: -t -vvv ? in my case i have some
            lines like this:
           
         
        
          250 [02:09:54] <mutante> +-1c.0-[02]--  
         
        
          251 [02:09:59] <mutante> is that a free slot?
           
         
        
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          253 [02:10:52] <vjacob> I also tried with -vv yeah, perhaps I
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          254 [02:11:30] <bazhang> dmidecode  
         
        
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          259 [02:13:20] <vjacob> yeah, sorry, typoed
           
         
        
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          262 [02:16:55] <Winux> Hello  
         
        
          263 [02:16:57] <Winux> How can I close all other programs except
            the one in focus with the command line?
           
         
        
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          265 [02:18:15] <x86iac> thats a tough one - combo of wmctrl...
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          268 [02:19:10] <x86iac> or xdotool to move mouse to all
            non-focused windows and click 'x' ;)
           
         
        
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          273 [02:21:41] <Winux> x86iac: I have both xdotool and wmctrl
           
         
        
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          281 [02:25:33] <x86iac> there is also xwininfo
           
         
        
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          283 [02:27:28] <Winux> x86iac: What does xwininfo do
           
         
        
          284 [02:27:42] <x86iac> here is a good page for using xdotool to
            figure out focused/active window
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          287 [02:28:29] <x86iac> the xprop one looks good too
           
         
        
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          289 [02:30:37] <Winux> x86iac: The focused window will always be
            the same
           
         
        
          290 [02:31:29] <x86iac> then easy to find the windows
            numbers/names of the others
           
         
        
          291 [02:31:38] <x86iac> wmctrl -c them  
         
        
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          294 [02:32:54] <Winux> x86iac: I know the name of the focused
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          301 [02:40:09] <Neo> how does networking start exactly?
           
         
        
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          304 [02:41:39] <x86iac> start script called network
           
         
        
          305 [02:41:53] <x86iac> it calls tons of other scripts
           
         
        
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          313 [02:47:27] <Neo> aye  
         
        
          314 [02:47:39] <Neo> there's a verbose flag in
            /etc/init.d/netowrking
           
         
        
          315 [02:47:46] <Neo> wasn't aware of that
           
         
        
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          317 [02:48:02] <Neo> that explained everything that was happening
           
         
        
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          319 [02:50:12] <x86iac> networking or network?
           
         
        
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          333 [03:04:17] <Neo> /etc/init.d/networking
           
         
        
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          397 [03:58:06] <joe_____> Does the AllowUsers directive in
            sshd_config, as well as allowing users, disallow everybody else even
            if they have the appropriate keys set up?
           
         
        
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          406 [04:01:44] <Amun_Ra> mhm  
         
        
          407 [04:02:03] <rjsalts> joe_____: man sshd_config -> If
            specified, login is allowed only for user names that match one of
            the patterns. The allow/deny directives are processed in the
            following order: DenyUsers, AllowUsers, DenyGroups, and finally
            AllowGroups.
           
         
        
          408 [04:02:07] <mutante> The pattern matching occurs in the
            following order: DenyUsers,AllowUsers,DenyGroups,AllowGroups. Which
            means that, for example, if you add a user to both entries
            (AllowUsers and DenyUsers) this would result in the user being
            denied no matter the order in which the rules appear in the config
            script.
           
         
        
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          411 [04:02:44] <mutante> that sounds like you want "Deny
            *" "Allow someuser"
           
         
        
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          413 [04:03:00] <mutante> but then they would get denied
           
         
        
          414 [04:03:48] <dumppy> I'm at the end of my roap and I know
            i'm in the wrong place but I'm hoping someone can point me
            somewhere. I'm trying to configure isc-dhcp-server to issue
            IPv6 addresses on my network (already working with IPv4) and
            I'm just getting nowhere. Has anyone gotten it to work or can
            you suggest another channel to look for help.
           
         
        
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          416 [04:04:08] <Hello71> you probably don't want dhcpv6
           
         
        
          417 [04:04:09] <rjsalts> AllowUsers is a whitelist, it denies
            everyone else. Presumably if you had someone in Deny and Allow then
            they'd be denied, but if you had nothing in Deny and entries in
            Allow then only those in Allow would be able to log in
           
         
        
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          419 [04:04:20] <dumppy> Hello71: why do you say that?
           
         
        
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          421 [04:04:45] <Hello71> if you think you want it just because
            "it's ipv6", you probably don't really want it
           
         
        
          422 [04:05:33] <mutante> dumppy: IPv6 uses something called
            autoconf
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          424 [04:05:50] <dumppy> reason I was going to it is my ISP pushed
            out an update to my modem witch is now issuing RA IPv6 IP's and
            it's replacing my local DNS info with theirs so nothing is
            getting resolved locally
           
         
        
          425 [04:06:01] <Hello71> !xy  
         
        
          426 [04:06:01] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
            need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
            suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
            us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
            diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
            easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          427 [04:06:03] <Dagger> dumppy: unless you actually need DHCPv6
            for some reason, I wouldn't bother. just use SLAAC
           
         
        
          428 [04:06:04] <Hello71> !b1  
         
        
          429 [04:06:07] * Hello71 grumbles  
         
        
          430 [04:06:09] <snfgf> Does the AllowUser directive implicitly
            disallow every user that isn't explicitly listed?
           
         
        
          431 [04:06:16] <snfgf> for sshd_config  
         
        
          432 [04:06:16] <rjsalts> if you want to assign ip addresses to a
            specific DUUID to a specific client
           
         
        
          433 [04:06:29] <Hello71> <greybot> bashphorism 1: the
            questioner's first description of the problem/question will be
            misleading.
           
         
        
          434 [04:06:34] <rjsalts> snfgf: see above it reads that way
           
         
        
          435 [04:06:53] <Hello71> snfgf: how else would it work
           
         
        
          436 [04:07:03] <Hello71> "allow these users... and also all
            the other ones" ???
           
         
        
          437 [04:07:13] <Dagger> dumppy: oh, well. in that case fix the
            "modem" (which must clearly be a router)
           
         
        
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          441 [04:07:37] <dumppy> Dagger: correct, it's acting as the
            router as well
           
         
        
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          443 [04:07:42] <Hello71> more accurately a "home gateway
            solution"
           
         
        
          444 [04:07:53] <Dagger> "solution"
           
         
        
          445 [04:07:56] <rjsalts> snfgf: man sshd_config -> If
            specified, login is allowed only for user names that match one of
            the patterns. The allow/deny directives are processed in the
            following order: DenyUsers, AllowUsers, DenyGroups, and finally
            AllowGroups.
           
         
        
          446 [04:07:57] <dumppy> only way I see around it is to bridge the
            IP and configure my own router
           
         
        
          447 [04:07:58] <Dagger> usually more the problem
           
         
        
          448 [04:08:01] <Hello71> which usually does modem routing and
            wifi all badly
           
         
        
          449 [04:08:02] <x86iac> if you want the users to have specific
            other options then use Match users
           
         
        
          450 [04:08:16] <Dagger> yeah, stick it in bridge mode and use
            your own router
           
         
        
          451 [04:08:26] <Hello71> then it can only do modem badly
           
         
        
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          454 [04:08:42] <dumppy> Hello71: LOL Very true
           
         
        
          455 [04:08:59] <dumppy> Just don't have the extra hardware
            for it at the moment
           
         
        
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          457 [04:10:00] <dumppy> I know it's a pain in the butt but
            figured maybe this might be the thing to light the fire under my ass
            and learn IPv6
           
         
        
          458 [04:10:10] <x86iac> rj-45 on cell phone and then use the
            'modem'
           
         
        
          459 [04:10:18] <dumppy> I just can't find anyone posting
            anything online having anything working
           
         
        
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          461 [04:10:24] <rjsalts> dumppy: can you just block the RA in
            iptables?
           
         
        
          462 [04:10:41] <Dagger> v6 is mostly just v4 with more bits
           
         
        
          463 [04:10:43] <rjsalts> dumppy: or on your modem/router
           
         
        
          464 [04:10:45] <dumppy> that's a thought, it is one specific
            ip
           
         
        
          465 [04:10:59] <dumppy> I checked the modem / router no way to
            disable it
           
         
        
          466 [04:11:01] <dumppy> POS  
         
        
          467 [04:11:11] <mutante> dumppy:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          470 [04:11:26] <mutante> dumppy: you can do "autoconf"
            or stateless DHCP or stateful DHCP , see link above
           
         
        
          471 [04:11:36] <Dagger> rjsalts: or just disable the DNS part on
            the client
           
         
        
          472 [04:11:36] <mutante> and the part "Which of these option
            should be used is a subject of controversy in the networking
            community. " heh
           
         
        
          473 [04:11:52] <Dagger> which... hm. is probably done by rdnss on
            most Debian systems
           
         
        
          474 [04:11:56] <dumppy> checking link but I have tried to do
            stateful DHCP without luck
           
         
        
          475 [04:12:11] <Dagger> but if you have network-manager or
            systemd-networkd then pff, you're on your own
           
         
        
          476 [04:12:14] <rjsalts> looks like the problem is that the isp
            is doing "stateless DHCP" for handing out caching
            resolvers
           
         
        
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          478 [04:12:33] <mutante> systemd-networkd sounds scary
           
         
        
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          481 [04:13:18] <Dagger> or dhcpcd, I think that does funky stuff
            too
           
         
        
          482 [04:13:29] <dumppy> rjsalts: that's exactly what's
            going on so I was hoping to over ride it with a stateful DHCP
           
         
        
          483 [04:13:40] <dumppy> I'm going to read this artical and
            check back in
           
         
        
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          485 [04:13:52] <dumppy> thanks for the advice everyone
           
         
        
          486 [04:14:16] <rjsalts> dumppy: it sounds pretty weird that your
            router would forward RAs from your isp no questions asked without
            having some ipv6 support
           
         
        
          487 [04:14:18] <Dagger> staeful DHCP only does addresses though,
            not DNS servers
           
         
        
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          491 [04:15:16] <rjsalts> the RA for the ancillary info in
            stateless dhcpv6 won't be blocked by the stateful dhcpv6?
           
         
        
          492 [04:15:26] <Dagger> but I guess the DNS servers are probably
            coming from the RAs, not DHCPv6. try running `rdisc6 eth0`
            (it's in ndisc6) to see what's actually going on
           
         
        
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          494 [04:15:41] <x86iac> iptables doesn't block any dhcp ...
            you need ebtables
           
         
        
          495 [04:16:12] <rjsalts> x86iac: dhcpv6 is multicast isn't
            it?
           
         
        
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          498 [04:17:23] <x86iac> yes  
         
        
          499 [04:17:26] <Dagger> rjsalts: ...let me just summarize v6
            autoconf: routers send RAs which announce themselves to the network
           
         
        
          500 [04:18:14] <Dagger> rjsalts: the RAs have 3 flags in them:
            the "go ahead and just pick yourself an address" flag (aka
            SLAAC), the "use stateful DHCPv6 to get an address" flag,
            and the "use stateless DHCPv6 to get DNS/NTP/etc" flag
           
         
        
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          502 [04:18:29] <Dagger> rjsalts: these can be turned on in any
            combination
           
         
        
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          504 [04:18:43] <dumppy> from what I understand Dagger is right
           
         
        
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          506 [04:18:57] <Dagger> also there's RDNSS which puts DNS
            servers in RAs [which I think was a bad idea, this is what we have
            stateless DHCPv6 for]
           
         
        
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          508 [04:19:13] <dumppy> I'm not sure on the POS modem /
            router I have if I can switch the RA packet but I'm hoping it
            might see the stateful DHCP and advertise that
           
         
        
          509 [04:19:28] <Dagger> [I think RDNSS happened because there was
            no simple stateless DHCPv6 server for Linux. all the stateless ones
            were _also_ stateful servers and thus complicated]
           
         
        
          510 [04:19:57] <Dagger> anyway, info from the various autoconfs
            is just merged
           
         
        
          511 [04:20:11] <Dagger> if SLAAC and DHCPv6 are enabled for
            addresses... then you get two addresses, one from each
           
         
        
          512 [04:20:12] <x86iac> Dagger: sorry i missed what you are
            wanting to do.. could you repeat it
           
         
        
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          514 [04:20:33] <dumppy> Dagger: Sh*t  
         
        
          515 [04:20:49] <Dagger> and stateless DHCPv6 and stateful DHCPv6
            can't override each other because they cover different things
           
         
        
          516 [04:20:50] <dumppy> well not what I wanted to hear but it is
            tottaly what I came here for
           
         
        
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          520 [04:21:19] <Dagger> (I will also explicitly point out that
            DHCPv6 doesn't do routes, at all. those are done by RAs)
           
         
        
          521 [04:21:19] <dumppy> from what I understand Stateful will
            issue all info. IP, DNS, NTS
           
         
        
          522 [04:21:24] <Dagger> x86iac: not me, dumppy
           
         
        
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          525 [04:22:37] <Dagger> dumppy: stateful does IP, stateless does
            DNS/NTP/etc
           
         
        
          526 [04:22:42] <dumppy> x86iac: Oh man. Long story short, my
            sh*ty router / modem is issuing IPv6 DNS servers that are being used
            localy over my local DNS
           
         
        
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          528 [04:23:17] <Dagger> dumppy: but you may instead (or as well)
            be getting IP from SLAAC, and you may not even be doing stateless
            DHCPv6
           
         
        
          529 [04:23:26] <Dagger> tl;dr look at rdisc6 to see what the
            router is offering
           
         
        
          530 [04:23:30] <dumppy> My original plan was to implement a DHCP6
            server to over power this and hopefully restore local DNS
           
         
        
          531 [04:24:08] <mutante> dumppy: how many clients do you have in
            your network?
           
         
        
          532 [04:24:26] <mutante> dumppy: you could also just configure
            all IPs static .. ?
           
         
        
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          535 [04:25:03] <dumppy> very true mutante, minimum 12 when
            I'm not running extra virtuals
           
         
        
          536 [04:25:15] <x86iac> for sure .. so static .. and better for
            security if needed
           
         
        
          537 [04:25:17] <Dagger> rather than static config all the things,
            it'd make more sense to just disable automatic DNS config
           
         
        
          538 [04:25:52] <Dagger> (...but it'd make even more sense to
            just not use a router that you can't configure)
           
         
        
          539 [04:26:39] <dumppy> I know you're right Dagger. Just
            have to go buy a used PC to turn into my router / firewall now
           
         
        
          540 [04:26:52] <dumppy> not sure runing a xen vm as a router is a
            good idea
           
         
        
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          542 [04:27:48] <x86iac> 12 port switch and p233MHz -> great
            router
           
         
        
          543 [04:27:56] <Dagger> people do do that
           
         
        
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          546 [04:28:26] <Dagger> I use a Raspberry Pi instead (but
            it's kinda slow)
           
         
        
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          549 [04:28:57] <Dagger> probably faster than a 233 MHz Intel
            anything though
           
         
        
          550 [04:29:06] <Dagger> and somewhat more easily ignored power
            consumption
           
         
        
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          552 [04:29:40] <x86iac> 2 AAA batteries ? ;)
           
         
        
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          555 [04:32:06] <Dagger> that's more of a UPS than a power
            supply
           
         
        
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          557 [04:33:58] <finchd> a xen vm would be much faster than a pi,
            even more so if has pci passthrough of dedicated L2 switching
            hardware
           
         
        
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          560 [04:34:55] <x86iac> exit  
         
        
          561 [04:35:02] <x86iac> cya  
         
        
          562 [04:35:04] <dvs> !exit  
         
        
          563 [04:35:04] <dpkg> /quit you fool!  
         
        
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          567 [04:35:51] <Dagger> a Pi2/3 will likely max out their 100mbit
            ethernet though
           
         
        
          568 [04:36:04] <Dagger> which might be enough
           
         
        
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          570 [04:37:08] <neldogz> I have two 1TB disks in which I have
            added a GPT partition type. I am going to use the entire disk and
            set them in a RAID1 configuration. Do I need to create a partition
            before creating the array? For example, can I just do this: sudo
            mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2
            /dev/sdc /dev/sdd
           
         
        
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          572 [04:38:12] <rudi_s> neldogz: You can use either the raw
            device or partition on them for mdadm. Some people recommend using
            partitions which are slightly smaller in size than the underlying
            disks to be able to handle small differences in the disk sizes when
            you change disks, but that shouldn't be necessary.
           
         
        
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          574 [04:38:36] <neldogz> rudi_s, thank you very much
           
         
        
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          576 [04:38:54] <rudi_s> If you use the device itself, the
            partition table will be obviously destroyted.
           
         
        
          577 [04:38:55] <rudi_s> np  
         
        
          578 [04:38:59] <rjsalts> neldogz: only limitation if you choose
            to use raw devices is that you won't be able to boot from that
            array
           
         
        
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          580 [04:39:31] <neldogz> rjsalts, ah, thanks for that! I wont be
            booting from them so I am good
           
         
        
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          582 [04:39:53] <rudi_s> rjsalts: GRUB can boot directly from RAID
            1.
           
         
        
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          588 [04:41:49] <rjsalts> rudi_s: sure, but isn't it going to
            start destroying your raid metadata when you attempt to install the
            first stage of the bootloader that lives in boot sector/legacy bios
            gpt partition?
           
         
        
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          593 [04:45:26] <rudi_s> rjsalts: You're right that you
            can't use the raw disc in this case, but need a partition. But
            you can still put the /boot partition inside the raid which resides
            on the disk.
           
         
        
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          595 [04:45:44] <rudi_s> So sda -> sda1 -> md0 -> boot,
            root, etc. partitions
           
         
        
          596 [04:45:58] * finchd thinks it works without issue, wasn't the
            one that set it up though
           
         
        
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          650 [05:22:35] <MeatHammer> anyone have experience setting up ps4
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          652 [05:23:35] <MeatHammer> im using ds4drv but I keep getting
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          673 [05:38:18] <desktop> Hey  
         
        
          674 [05:38:20] <desktop> How can I programatically switch the
            current Desktop from Desktop 1 to Desktop 2? I am using Raspbian
            Jessie Linux latest version. Desktop Environment
           
         
        
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          698 [05:53:00] <moonpunter> pavucontrol: symbol lookup error:
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          782 [06:59:39] <cilkay> Hello. I'm creating a Debian
            VirtualBox VM via a preseed install. I see an error flash by on the
            Alt-F4 console. I'd like to direct that console to a file that
            I can analyze after the first boot. There is nothing interesting in
            syslog or dmesg on first boot, btw. How would I do capture what is
            being sent to stdout on VT4?
           
         
        
          783 [06:59:56] <cilkay> Hello. I'm creating a Debian
            VirtualBox VM via a preseed install. I see an error flash by on the
            Alt-F4 console. I'd like to direct that console to a file that
            I can analyze after the first boot. There is nothing interesting in
            syslog or dmesg on first boot, btw. How would I capture to a file
            what is being sent to stdout on VT4?
           
         
        
          784 [07:00:00] *** thurstylark is now known as thursdaylark
           
         
        
          785 [07:02:09] <Gryllida> random guess (I do not understand VMs,
            and why it is in vt4): is it in /var/log/boot.log?
           
         
        
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          789 [07:05:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> but if the first run is booted
            from an installer image, it won't write to the logfiles of the
            system to install
           
         
        
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          797 [07:06:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe virtualbox has some
            feature...
           
         
        
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          799 [07:07:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> like...
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          806 [07:11:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> like...
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          841 [07:30:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> ^^  
         
        
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          871 [07:44:55] <cilkay> I found where the installer log is.
            /var/log/installer/syslog I have everything I need there.
           
         
        
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          879 [07:48:40] <cilkay> Gryllida: The question really wasn't
            specific to a VM. You'd see the same thing when you're
            installing on bare metal. In VT1, you'll see the curses based
            interface that shows a progress bar and messages giving you some
            indication of what the installer is doing. In VT4, you'll see
            much more detail.
           
         
        
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          881 [07:49:28] <cilkay> And first run isn't booted from the
            installer image. I'm talking about first run after the
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          882 [07:49:32] <Gryllida> ah, you mean logs from when you
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          883 [07:49:38] <cilkay> Correct.  
         
        
          884 [07:49:50] <Gryllida> understood, thanks for good new info
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          885 [07:50:00] <cilkay> It's in /var/log/installer/syslog
           
         
        
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          889 [07:51:39] <cilkay> I have a shell script that I use to
            create my own custom ISO and from that, I create a VirtualBox image,
            which also works in VMWare, and a VHD for Hyper-V. Essentially,
            I've created a VM image that has no external dependencies and
            which can be configured via a web form provided by Django running in
            the VM.
           
         
        
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          891 [07:53:11] <cilkay> Oh, and SaltStack is involved in all
            this, too. The Django form saves to the db and also to a YAML file
            that is being watched by inotify. On change, it kicks off a shell
            script that wraps salt-call and Salt takes over to configure the
            machine as per the key/value pairs in the YAML file.
           
         
        
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          906 [08:01:21] <mirazi_heket> i got issue on ssh connection,
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            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1029 [09:19:56] <xcmpg> Hello.Is it possible to give a shell which
            is launched in a chroot enviroment via OpenSSHs ChrootDirectory
            directive the capability CAP_DAC_OVERVRIDE (EIP) . I tried it via
            pam_exec.so in /etc/pam/ssh (session requiered pam_exec.so stdout
            path=/usr/local/sbin/wrapper.sh) . The wrapper shell script use
            setpriv from util-linux to accomplish this task.But it didn't
            work -:( .
           
         
        
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          1068 [09:49:19] <b6s3d> how do i make my dns permanent, and how do
            i check if i am using dhcp, is dhcp good or bad ?
           
         
        
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          1072 [09:49:55] <petemc> !override dns  
         
        
          1073 [09:49:56] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified
            nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server,
            echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;"
            >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for
            more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use
            "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or
            remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
           
         
        
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          1075 [09:50:38] <b6s3d> thanks!  
         
        
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          1086 [09:54:14] <mirazi_heket> take a look please if you have time
            (problem with ssh connection)
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1087 [09:55:04] <b6s3d> do i have to remove resolvconf petemc?
           
         
        
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          1089 [09:56:01] <b6s3d> because it does not update to the right
            one, but instead uses my local isp's dns
           
         
        
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          1096 [10:00:49] <b6s3d> petemc ^  
         
        
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          1103 [10:04:30] <petemc> b6s3d: you shouldnt need the resolvconf
            package
           
         
        
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          1109 [10:06:18] <b6s3d> resolvconf - u && cat
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            /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
           
         
        
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          1113 [10:07:07] <b6s3d> petemc ^  
         
        
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          1121 [10:10:22] <k_sze[work]> My eth0 and eth1 became eth2 and
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          1127 [10:12:26] <b6s3d> i copied
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          1129 [10:12:58] <b6s3d> and now it shows the one i wanted, but
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          1130 [10:13:21] <b6s3d> how do i remove the old dns permanent?
           
         
        
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          1179 [10:41:37] <dka__> I have an "hostB" that need to
            push with RSYNC to "hostA", the directory where backup are
            stored are under "/backup", I need to send backups on
            "hostA" at "hostA:/mnt/backup". I am trying to
            choose the best way to authenticate. I guess it is RSA keys. Since
            "hostB:/backup" is own by root:root and
            "hostA:/mnt/backup" by root:root, the best strategy is to
            create a User/Group so I can log in with that user and write into
            that folder right ?
           
         
        
          1180 [10:42:20] <dagerik> create backup user. add ssh keys. chown
            to backup
           
         
        
          1181 [10:42:29] <dagerik> disable password auth in sshd
           
         
        
          1182 [10:43:08] <dka__> dagerik, backup user for both hosts ?
           
         
        
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          1184 [10:43:20] <dka__> Do I create a group ? should I use fixed
            uuid/guid ?
           
         
        
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          1197 [10:50:52] <dka__> dagerik, the backup already exist by
            default on Debian 8, should I use this one ?
           
         
        
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          1199 [10:51:39] <dagerik> only one machine needs a user backup
            with public key
           
         
        
          1200 [10:52:00] <dagerik> it is best if backup machines reaches
            out to everything else
           
         
        
          1201 [10:52:11] <dka__> dagerik, I know how works key, however,
            there is by default on Debian Jessie a user backup with
            "backup:x:34:34:backup:/var/backups:/usr/sbin/nologin", I
            guess I can use that one.
           
         
        
          1202 [10:52:27] <dka__> That's exactly what I am doing but
            thanks.
           
         
        
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          1204 [10:53:18] <dka__> I wonder where I should store my public
            key on my backup host and private key on my app host, there is no
            /home/backup directory
           
         
        
          1205 [10:53:38] <dagerik> google for debian backup user. it has a
            purpose
           
         
        
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          1212 [10:57:47] <dka__>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1213 [10:58:03] <dka__> seems to look fine for use dagerik , can
            you answer my question please :]
           
         
        
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          1216 [10:59:30] <dagerik> public key goes in
            ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
           
         
        
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          1218 [10:59:44] <dka__> ~/ = ?  
         
        
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          1221 [11:00:05] <dagerik> it's a bash thingie
           
         
        
          1222 [11:00:12] <dagerik> try echo ~ in ur shell
           
         
        
          1223 [11:00:14] <dka__> Then, for backup user
           
         
        
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          1225 [11:00:40] <dka__> root@backup:/var/backups# sudo -ubackup
            echo ~
           
         
        
          1226 [11:00:55] <dka__> return "/root"
           
         
        
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          1228 [11:01:09] <dagerik> yes because /root is the homefolder of
            root
           
         
        
          1229 [11:01:14] <dka__> so root and backup authorized_keys are
            mixed ?
           
         
        
          1230 [11:01:14] <themill> that ~ would be expanded by your own
            shell not by sudo
           
         
        
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          1235 [11:01:42] <dka__> Backup user doesn't have a shell ?
           
         
        
          1236 [11:01:57] <dka__> I guess it's easier to create another
            user with home directory
           
         
        
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          1238 [11:01:59] <dagerik> dka__: I suspect it would be more
            productice for you to pick up a book on linux basics
           
         
        
          1239 [11:02:41] <dka__> dagerik, I guess you should take that
            book, I will clean my ass of if I am in it's possession
           
         
        
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          1243 [11:03:02] <dka__> I am just asking a simple question, I have
            more than basics.
           
         
        
          1244 [11:03:11] <dka__> Learn #howtohelp  
         
        
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          1246 [11:03:47] <dagerik> dka__: /etc/passwd has information about
            the default shells of users
           
         
        
          1247 [11:04:03] <blawiz> package version of specific package can
            be the same in testing and unstable?
           
         
        
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          1249 [11:04:26] <TomTomTosch> blawiz: it often is.
           
         
        
          1250 [11:04:39] <blawiz> TomTomTosch: i see
           
         
        
          1251 [11:04:58] <dka__> thanks dagerik  
         
        
          1252 [11:05:25] <TomTomTosch> blawiz: packages from sid trickle
            down to testing after a few days, so there is overlap.
           
         
        
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          1254 [11:07:26] <blawiz> TomTomTosch: usually just a few days? and
            then there will be a new version in unstable?
           
         
        
          1255 [11:07:36] <blawiz> i need a newer version of sc ;P
           
         
        
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          1266 [11:11:43] <TomTomTosch> i didn't say anything about new
            versions in unstable. that depends on the maintainer.
           
         
        
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          1285 [11:22:18] <snarkbird> hello  
         
        
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          1350 [11:59:33] <no_gravity> One of my files shows up as read only
            in vim. Although the permissions are the same as all the other files
            in that directory. What's the deal?
           
         
        
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          1355 [12:02:05] <no_gravity> Ah no! Complete nonsense. I looked at
            the permissions of the wrong file :)
           
         
        
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          1368 [12:06:42] <Filystyn> HELLO  
         
        
          1369 [12:06:59] <Filystyn> interesting: seems on streach the
            apt-get command was changed to apt
           
         
        
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          1372 [12:07:06] <Filystyn> or am I WRONG ?
           
         
        
          1373 [12:07:42] <Filystyn> ANYONE?!  
         
        
          1374 [12:07:50] <no_gravity> What is streach?
           
         
        
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          1376 [12:08:11] <Filystyn> Debian 9 "Stretch"
           
         
        
          1377 [12:08:16] <Filystyn> m and my namings
           
         
        
          1378 [12:08:23] <no_gravity> I dunno. I'm on 8.
           
         
        
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          1380 [12:08:27] <Filystyn> but  
         
        
          1381 [12:08:39] <Filystyn> what about my question?
           
         
        
          1382 [12:08:49] <no_gravity> What about my answer?
           
         
        
          1383 [12:09:04] <Iiiak> apt is already running on jessie. Perhaps
            it was totaly fused on stretch…
           
         
        
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          1388 [12:09:19] <Filystyn> wy do we need to change fom apt-get to
            at
           
         
        
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          1390 [12:09:23] <Filystyn> apt-get was ok ;/
           
         
        
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          1392 [12:09:46] <Iiiak> Filystyn → to unify apt-* and
            aptitude I think.
           
         
        
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          1394 [12:09:58] <Filystyn> ok  
         
        
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          1396 [12:10:07] <Filystyn> what is differance between aptitude and
            aptgeT?
           
         
        
          1397 [12:10:15] <Filystyn> i thought it is same thing
           
         
        
          1398 [12:10:20] <Filystyn> just simply two people making it
           
         
        
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          1400 [12:10:58] <Filystyn> HMMM?  
         
        
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          1402 [12:11:20] <Filystyn> just used apt  
         
        
          1403 [12:11:29] <Filystyn> looks nicer but i think adding coolors
            is not that important
           
         
        
          1404 [12:11:51] <Filystyn> peple should concentrate on making
            stale more up to date not on making aptget looking nice
           
         
        
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          1407 [12:12:28] <Filystyn> --->MY OPINION<---
           
         
        
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          1412 [12:14:37] <Filystyn> I am swapiing channels since NO answer
            here'
           
         
        
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          1420 [12:18:58] <eitzei> Filystyn: "The most obvious
            difference is that aptitude provides a terminal menu interface (much
            like Synaptic in a terminal), whereas apt-get does not."[1]
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          1423 [12:19:46] <Filystyn> eitzei no one needs 3rd program that
            does the same
           
         
        
          1424 [12:19:50] <Filystyn> bu debian ways...
           
         
        
          1425 [12:19:59] <Filystyn> Might it be I will never understand
            those!
           
         
        
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          1430 [12:22:12] <musca> Filystyn: four keystrokes less to type
           
         
        
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          1432 [12:22:47] <musca> and you don't need to teach newbies
            about apt-cache
           
         
        
          1433 [12:23:05] <Filystyn> i duno wha is apt0cache
           
         
        
          1434 [12:23:08] <Filystyn> :)  
         
        
          1435 [12:23:17] <eitzei> Or wajig ;)  
         
        
          1436 [12:23:53] <Filystyn> tho saw it in commands but never used
            it
           
         
        
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          1438 [12:24:24] <Filystyn> *programs" or what ever
           
         
        
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          1451 [12:27:42] <k_sze[work]> does crontab not run a job I modify
            a schedule and it's going to be too close to the current time?
           
         
        
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          1453 [12:28:05] <k_sze[work]> e.g. current time is 18:27 in HK, if
            I change the schedule to 18:28, crontab won't run it?
           
         
        
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          1459 [12:30:38] <Fat-Zer_> is there a way to make apt pull in all
            build dependencies? and not to delete then when they marked auto?
           
         
        
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          1463 [12:31:47] <FinalX> apt-get build-dep <package>
           
         
        
          1464 [12:32:09] <FinalX> not sure if that'll mark them for
            protection against autoremove and such.
           
         
        
          1465 [12:32:10] <themill> Fat-Zer_: mk-build-deps sounds like what
            you want
           
         
        
          1466 [12:32:15] <FinalX> o  
         
        
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          1472 [12:34:26] <Fat-Zer_> FinalX: that would mark them as
            manually-installed, I want them to be marked as
            automatically-pulled-in, and I want ALL build deps...
           
         
        
          1473 [12:34:48] <aindilis> hi I am rolling a vagrant VM of the
            latest Debian. I have exported Jessie 8.5, but I would also like to
            put in either sid or unstable repo links in /etc/apt/sources.list
            and then apt-get dist-upgrade and export that machine too. (or if
            it's better, aptitude dist-upgrade. Do you know whether I
            should use sid or unstable as the repo, and what in general is the
            difference between them?
           
         
        
          1474 [12:35:07] <Fat-Zer_> themill: dunno, how this may help
           
         
        
          1475 [12:35:35] <FinalX> Fat-Zer_: oh, ok  
         
        
          1476 [12:35:48] <Fat-Zer_> I believe there should be some cmart
            config option to make apt behave such...
           
         
        
          1477 [12:35:50] <themill> Fat-Zer_: it does precisely what you
            described
           
         
        
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          1481 [12:39:48] <Fat-Zer_> themill: ghm... got no idea what it has
            commone with what I've described...
           
         
        
          1482 [12:40:40] <themill> it installs the build-deps in such a way
            that they are autoremovable later but won't get autoremoved
            immediately. Exactly as you described.
           
         
        
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          1486 [12:45:13] <Fat-Zer_> themill: from man mk-build-deps: Given
            a package name and/or control file, mk-build-deps will use equivs to
            generate a binary package which may be installed to satisfy all the
            build dependencies of the given package.
           
         
        
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          1489 [12:46:24] <Fat-Zer_> *package.  
         
        
          1490 [12:46:30] <b6s3d> how do i change dns ?
           
         
        
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          1492 [12:47:30] <themill> Fat-Zer_: I know what it does...
           
         
        
          1493 [12:47:30] <Fat-Zer_> b6s3d: for once, you may just edit
            /etc/resolv.conf
           
         
        
          1494 [12:47:46] <b6s3d> no it gets overwritten
           
         
        
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          1496 [12:48:07] <b6s3d> but for once yes  
         
        
          1497 [12:48:17] <b6s3d> what about permanent ?
           
         
        
          1498 [12:48:28] <themill> b6s3d: are you using dhcp?
           
         
        
          1499 [12:48:37] <b6s3d> i think so  
         
        
          1500 [12:48:38] <Mathisen> then maybe /etc/network/interfaces ?
           
         
        
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          1502 [12:48:58] <themill> b6s3d: that detail matters
           
         
        
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          1504 [12:49:08] <b6s3d> nope didn't work, the old is still
            shown in /etc/resolv.conf
           
         
        
          1505 [12:49:37] <b6s3d> ^Mathisen  
         
        
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          1509 [12:50:36] <b6s3d> themill: dhcp is enabled on my router
           
         
        
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          1511 [12:52:13] <b6s3d> come on, can't be that hard :P
           
         
        
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          1518 [12:53:52] <themill> !override dns  
         
        
          1519 [12:53:52] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified
            nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server,
            echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;"
            >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for
            more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use
            "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or
            remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
           
         
        
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          1521 [12:54:20] <themill> b6s3d: it's not ^^ when the next
            lease is accepted, it will use the dns settings specified there,
            presuming you are using dhclient as the dhcp client.
           
         
        
          1522 [12:54:33] <Fat-Zer_> b6s3d: it was easy before systemd and
            NM times...
           
         
        
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          1524 [12:55:37] <b6s3d> gonna read some on
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1529 [12:56:30] <Fat-Zer_> themill: mk-build-deps just build one
            bloated package with build deps for a single givven package... I
            just want to make apt consider the build deps as normal deps...
           
         
        
          1530 [12:56:32] <themill> Fat-Zer_: those instructions predate
            both nm and systemd and are stull current
           
         
        
          1531 [12:56:38] <themill> Fat-Zer_: that's nice.
           
         
        
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          1533 [12:56:51] <themill> "bloated".... awesome.
           
         
        
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          1541 [12:58:58] <Fat-Zer_> themill: what's wrong?
           
         
        
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          1554 [13:04:51] <dka> I have create a user called `dummy-backup`
            on two hosts, I have generated the key in `/backup/.ssh` on one
            host, and added the authorized_key file with the public key on they
            other, the command I am using is : `sudo -u dummy-backup rsync -h -v
            -r -P -R -t --ignore-existing -e "ssh -p 10022 -o
            StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i /backup/.ssh/id_rsa.pub"
            /backup/congty/mail-server
            dummy-backup@cong-ty.sytes.net:/mnt/backup/loaded/hostname-01/backup/congty/mail-server`
            , I
           
         
        
          1555 [13:04:52] <dka> don't understand why the server keep
            asking me for my password. From my reading, it might be a
            permissions issue. I have a group called dummy-backup, and the /mnt
            folder is owned by this group. Any help ?
           
         
        
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          1559 [13:06:55] <Fat-Zer_> dka: have you tried connect manually
            with use ssh -vvv?
           
         
        
          1560 [13:07:29] <Fat-Zer_> is /backaup a home director of
            dummy-backup?
           
         
        
          1561 [13:07:37] <Fat-Zer_> *backup  
         
        
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          1584 [13:28:57] <kevin-leptons> hura  
         
        
          1585 [13:29:12] <Ghostbird> What should I install so GDB shows the
            names of shared library functions in the disassembly?
           
         
        
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          1591 [13:31:59] <b6s3d> fixed the dns by removing resolvconf
           
         
        
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          1594 [13:33:11] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> b6s3d: are u on crack?
           
         
        
          1595 [13:33:19] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: if you need debug into
            shared lib, you must install it. if not, you should not because it
            make wasted storage
           
         
        
          1596 [13:33:30] <b6s3d> nope don't try to sell me that stuff
            xD
           
         
        
          1597 [13:33:47] <b6s3d> police police c:  
         
        
          1598 [13:33:57] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> b6s3d: I dont sell it
           
         
        
          1599 [13:34:00] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> i dont smoke it
           
         
        
          1600 [13:34:04] <b6s3d> i do joke around  
         
        
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          1602 [13:34:06] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> but i know its LOL to talk
            about
           
         
        
          1603 [13:34:11] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> so i spam about it
           
         
        
          1604 [13:34:13] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> on irc  
         
        
          1605 [13:34:16] <b6s3d> why do you ask?  
         
        
          1606 [13:34:17] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> for the lulz
           
         
        
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          1608 [13:34:34] <b6s3d> oh k  
         
        
          1609 [13:34:45] <Ghostbird> kevin-leptons: I don't need to
            debug into it. I just need to see the names in GDB. E.g:
           
         
        
          1610 [13:34:45] <Ghostbird> 0x00010f8c <+152>: bl 0x10c48
           
         
        
          1611 [13:34:45] <Ghostbird> I want that line to show the name of
            the function that's loaded at 0x10c48.
           
         
        
          1612 [13:34:51] <b6s3d> have you been to double chan?
           
         
        
          1613 [13:34:51] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> see, i have learned that an
            expert troll needs things that always get a substantial response
           
         
        
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          1616 [13:35:16] <b6s3d> Cisco3560-48PS-S: have you been to double
            chan?
           
         
        
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          1618 [13:35:28] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> I dont chan shit
           
         
        
          1619 [13:35:30] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> i shit channels
           
         
        
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          1621 [13:35:51] <b6s3d> can you hear that? i think its the sound
            of a boot getting strapped on a leg
           
         
        
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          1624 [13:37:50] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> b6s3d: your mom?
           
         
        
          1625 [13:37:56] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> going to fuckslut bootcamp
           
         
        
          1626 [13:38:04] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> to learn how to be a fuckslut
           
         
        
          1627 [13:38:09] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> fuck slut
           
         
        
          1628 [13:38:10] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> slut fuck
           
         
        
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          1630 [13:38:20] <b6s3d> get real noob  
         
        
          1631 [13:38:35] <qmr> o_O  
         
        
          1632 [13:39:34] <axgb> I am trying to install GNU Icecat, and what
            I have downloaded from the GNU website is a folder of files, one of
            which I can click to open GNU Icecat. How do I like properly install
            it such that I can get it from the application menu?
           
         
        
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          1636 [13:40:08] <abrotman> Cisco3560-48PS-S: not appropriate, go
            play elsewhere
           
         
        
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          1650 [13:45:58] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: sorry, i just have
            diner. you can read about 'examining the symbol table' of
            gdb. then you idea for your problems
           
         
        
          1651 [13:46:24] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: then you get idea for
            you problems
           
         
        
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          1689 [14:05:55] <Ghostbird> kevin-leptons: Seems like the solution
            is to install: git clone --branch gdb-7.7-branch
            git://sourceware.org/git/binutils-gdb.git to match binutils and gdb
            version.
           
         
        
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          1692 [14:07:06] <Elirips> hello. can someone recommend me an easy
            to use irc-client that has no need for X and is available as .deb in
            jessie?
           
         
        
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          1695 [14:07:49] <kevin-leptons> Elirips: you can try weechat
            package
           
         
        
          1696 [14:08:16] <Elirips> kevin-leptons: does it support irc via
            ssl?
           
         
        
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          1698 [14:09:29] <kevin-leptons> Elirips: it have, you can read
            document for more information
           
         
        
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          1702 [14:10:04] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: did it solve your
            problem ?. because i not see your question from begining
           
         
        
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          1706 [14:10:27] <Ghostbird> kevin-leptons: Still cloning it.
            It's a big repo.
           
         
        
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          1709 [14:11:37] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: try download as
            zipfile, that can fast than a bit
           
         
        
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          1714 [14:12:55] <c855> i am trying to install jessie on a toshiba
            satellite c855 laptop. it had windows 8 which i completely erased. i
            repartitioned the hard disk manually. i ended up with 3 partitions:
            15GB / 12GB swap and 971GB /home but after selecting "Finish
            partitioning and write changes to disk" i got the message
            "No EFI partition was found. Go back to the menu and resume
            partitioning". What shall i do now?
           
         
        
          1715 [14:13:15] <c855> btw, jessie will be the only os on my
            laptop
           
         
        
          1716 [14:14:19] <VLetrmx> Hi  
         
        
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          1718 [14:15:05] <VLetrmx> Are there any debian packaging howtos
            that deal specifically with generating multiple packages from a
            single source? i.e. foolib and foolib-dev packages
           
         
        
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          1723 [14:18:53] <babilen> c855: You have to create EFI partitions
            and all that. My recommendation would be to use "Guided"
            partitioning and just customise that. Also: Why such a small / ? You
            might want to consider keeping it all in one partition on a laptop.
           
         
        
          1724 [14:19:28] <babilen>
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          1726 [14:20:08] <Ghostbird> c855: I'd definitely increase the
            root partition, since it'll be where all your software is
            installed. 15 GB is very small nowadays.
           
         
        
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          1728 [14:20:51] <c855> is 15GB for / too small? why? i have a
            971GB /home
           
         
        
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          1730 [14:20:58] <babilen> It definitely is
           
         
        
          1731 [14:21:04] <Ghostbird> But all your software installs in /
           
         
        
          1732 [14:21:14] <babilen> c855: You could merge / and /home on a
            laptop
           
         
        
          1733 [14:21:22] <Ghostbird> So if you've got more than 15GB
            OS + /, you cannot do anything anymore.
           
         
        
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          1735 [14:21:32] <Ghostbird> And still I do NOT recommend merging /
            and /home
           
         
        
          1736 [14:21:45] <c855> i pefer ti have a separate /home partition
           
         
        
          1737 [14:21:46] <babilen> Virtual machines, databases and a bunch
            of other things needs storage outside of /home too
           
         
        
          1738 [14:21:52] <Ghostbird> My set-up would be a 100GB / and 900
            GB /home
           
         
        
          1739 [14:22:10] <babilen> It's okay to keep them separate,
            but definitely give / more space
           
         
        
          1740 [14:22:13] <Ghostbird> babilen: Virtualbox natively stores
            VMs in /home.
           
         
        
          1741 [14:22:14] <c855> i am not going to run vm
           
         
        
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          1743 [14:22:26] <babilen> Ghostbird: But why would you use vbox on
            Linux? ;)
           
         
        
          1744 [14:22:42] <Ghostbird> babilen: What's a good
            alternative?
           
         
        
          1745 [14:22:44] <babilen> But I was also thinking of that as the
            sole exception
           
         
        
          1746 [14:22:54] <babilen> Ghostbird: virt-manager/virsh with kvm
           
         
        
          1747 [14:23:04] <Ghostbird> babilen: Interesting. I'll look
            into it.
           
         
        
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          1751 [14:24:22] <Ghostbird> c855: Back on topic, I'd suggest
            a 100GB root. You won't quickly miss the 100GB that you lose on
            /home, but with 15GB root, you'll quickly be forced to
            reinstall or do crazy partition resizes on the system.
           
         
        
          1752 [14:25:03] <c855> i am not going to run vm/databases on my
            laptop. do i really need a 100gb / ?
           
         
        
          1753 [14:25:11] <Ghostbird> Though if you know that you're
            not going to install a lot of software, you can probably make do
            with a 50GB root.
           
         
        
          1754 [14:25:32] <babilen> Point being: 15G will be *very* painful
            soon
           
         
        
          1755 [14:25:33] <Ghostbird> The question is. What are you going to
            do with /home that you so desperately want to maximise it?
           
         
        
          1756 [14:26:09] <Ghostbird> Currently on my system (I'm not
            running VMs from the root or anything like that) I use 42GB for
            root.
           
         
        
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          1758 [14:26:57] <Ghostbird> But I also offload some specific tasks
            to my servers, so without those, I'd probably use a little
            more.
           
         
        
          1759 [14:27:25] <c855> 50gb / is actually too much? i never use
            more than 7gb of it after all the software i need has been
            installed. so why woul i need a 50 gb / ?
           
         
        
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          1762 [14:28:06] <c855> 50gb / is actually too much! i never use
            more than 7gb of it after all the software i need has been
            installed. so why woul i need a 50 gb / ?
           
         
        
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          1767 [14:30:01] <Ghostbird> Ah, you'll probably be fine with
            less than 50 GB. Just don't forget to run:
           
         
        
          1768 [14:30:01] <Ghostbird> # apt-get clean
           
         
        
          1769 [14:30:01] <Ghostbird> regularly. I just realised I
            hadn't for a year, and my apt-cache was taking up about 20 GB.
           
         
        
          1770 [14:30:19] <Ghostbird> Now my root is 23 GB of stuff I
            actually use.
           
         
        
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          1772 [14:30:59] <c855> i run apt-get clean every week
           
         
        
          1773 [14:31:09] <Ghostbird> But anyway, make sure you make it big
            enough. Not having enough space basically means your system is dead,
            and you'll need to do dangerous things to fix it. And I ask you
            again, why are you so desperate to maximise /home?
           
         
        
          1774 [14:31:39] <Ghostbird> Having 50GB less on a 1TB home is not
            a big deal. Being 1 GB short on the root is a BIG deal.
           
         
        
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          1777 [14:34:17] <c855> it is not so much a question of maximising
            /home but not wasting GBs on / . anyway, i will repartition and
            create a 50 gb / but how can i solve the main issue, the one i
            mentioned first?
           
         
        
          1778 [14:35:25] <c855> i am trying to install jessie on a toshiba
            satellite c855 laptop. it had windows 8 which i completely erased. i
            repartitioned the hard disk manually. i ended up with 3 partitions:
            50GB / 12GB swap and 926GB /home but after selecting "Finish
            partitioning and write changes to disk" i got the message
            "No EFI partition was found. Go back to the menu and resume
            partitioning". What shall i do now?
           
         
        
          1779 [14:36:09] <babilen> c855: You have to create suitable EFI
            system partitions. As I said earlier: One easy way is to customise a
            "Guided" partitioning setup.
           
         
        
          1780 [14:36:23] <Ghostbird>
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          1782 [14:36:38] <Ghostbird> I think if you use the guided
            partitioning, it'll automatically set it up correctly.
           
         
        
          1783 [14:36:49] <babilen> It will .. hence the suggestion to
            customise that setup
           
         
        
          1784 [14:36:51] <Ghostbird> Then adapt it at need afterwards,
            before you write changes.
           
         
        
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          1786 [14:36:58] <Ghostbird> Ninja's  
         
        
          1787 [14:37:11] <babilen> Ninja's?  
         
        
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          1790 [14:38:11] <Ghostbird> *Ninja'd  
         
        
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          1830 [14:55:34] <c855> babilen, i chose guided partitioning,
            customised and the following partitions were created: 536MB ESP,
            47GB /, 16GB swap and 936GB /home. one thing i noticed is that i
            have 1MB free space at the begiining of the disk and 728kb at the
            end. is that ok?
           
         
        
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          1835 [14:58:52] <VLetrmx> Seriously how the hell do you get
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          1836 [14:58:56] <babilen> c855: Should be fine, yeah
           
         
        
          1837 [14:59:01] <VLetrmx> I just want to set PREFIX=/usr
           
         
        
          1838 [14:59:10] <babilen> VLetrmx: → #
           
         
        
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          1840 [14:59:19] <babilen> VLetrmx: → #debian-mentors
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          1841 [14:59:24] <VLetrmx> Okay cheers  
         
        
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          1882 [15:13:49] <c855> babilen, thanks  
         
        
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          1912 [15:21:14] <JohnDoe_71Rus> hi. i have armbian, think is not
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          1913 [15:21:41] <JohnDoe_71Rus> debian jessie
           
         
        
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          1915 [15:22:11] <lime_> I want to run a popcorn server
            (popularity-contest) to receive results of packages installed, is
            this package available?
           
         
        
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          1941 [15:32:53] <iflema> clear  
         
        
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          1955 [15:39:06] <notjelly> !qotd0  
         
        
          1956 [15:39:06] <dpkg> <alfred> how do i set my date and
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          1973 [15:44:19] <notjelly> it's #raspbian
           
         
        
          1974 [15:44:20] <rudar> i didn't get it
           
         
        
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          1976 [15:44:35] <telecode101> thanks  
         
        
          1977 [15:44:36] <telecode101> :-)  
         
        
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          1979 [15:45:08] <Filystyn> HELLO  
         
        
          1980 [15:45:19] <telecode101> wonder if someone can config a
            debian & apache config question
           
         
        
          1981 [15:45:22] <slartie> From the other side?
           
         
        
          1982 [15:45:26] <joze> Heaveno  
         
        
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          1984 [15:45:35] <telecode101> for this fix
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1986 [15:45:41] <Filystyn> Problem : why does debian part UTF-8 to
            locales
           
         
        
          1987 [15:45:44] <Filystyn> ANYONE!?  
         
        
          1988 [15:45:46] <telecode101> do we place it in apache2.conf of
            security.conf?
           
         
        
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          1990 [15:45:58] <telecode101> do we place it in apache2.conf
            "or" security.conf?
           
         
        
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          1993 [15:46:43] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Can you rephrase your
            question?
           
         
        
          1994 [15:47:01] <teraflops> Filystyn: caps mean shouting, also
            what does part UTF-8 to locales mean?
           
         
        
          1995 [15:47:08] <telecode101> I am implementing this fix able.
           
         
        
          1996 [15:47:19] <Filystyn> My debian has  
         
        
          1997 [15:47:28] <Filystyn> piotr@deb:~$ locale -a
           
         
        
          1998 [15:47:29] <Filystyn> C  
         
        
          1999 [15:47:31] <Filystyn> C.UTF-8  
         
        
          2000 [15:47:32] <Filystyn> pl_PL.utf8  
         
        
          2001 [15:47:34] <Filystyn> POSIX  
         
        
          2002 [15:47:35] <telecode101> do i place the text in securty.conf
            or apache2.conf for it to be applied gllobally to all sites
           
         
        
          2003 [15:47:47] <Filystyn> the C.UTF-8 handles i belive alll utf-8
            existing multibytes
           
         
        
          2004 [15:47:54] <Filystyn> when the pl only polish ones
           
         
        
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          2006 [15:48:09] <petn-randall> Filystyn: That's not how UTF-8
            works.
           
         
        
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          2008 [15:49:27] <Filystyn> that is not answer to my question
           
         
        
          2009 [15:49:30] <Filystyn> petn-randall  
         
        
          2010 [15:49:53] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Can you ask your question
            again then?
           
         
        
          2011 [15:50:42] <petn-randall> Filystyn: I didn't understand
            your question the first time.
           
         
        
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          2013 [15:51:00] <petn-randall> Filystyn: It also helps to explain
            what you expect and what you got instead.
           
         
        
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          2016 [15:51:53] <Filystyn> if i set locale pl_PL.utf8 and it is a
            polish locale i can detect it with mbrlen (check its sze). BUT if
            it's not polish i would need to use the proper language.utf8 or
            C.UTF-8 that seem to contain all utf-8 specifiic multibyte char sets
           
         
        
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          2018 [15:52:14] <Filystyn> the question is WHY not just use always
            C.UTF-8 in all system WHY part them to language locales
           
         
        
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          2021 [15:52:37] <Filystyn> i mean polish multibytechar vde
            "ó"
           
         
        
          2022 [15:52:41] <chaddy> Filystyn: /j #debian-pl, perhaps?
           
         
        
          2023 [15:52:46] <Filystyn> NO  
         
        
          2024 [15:53:10] <Filystyn> it' problem of linux more than
            debian or specialy polish debian
           
         
        
          2025 [15:53:15] <Filystyn> chaddy you have same problem
           
         
        
          2026 [15:53:21] <Filystyn> you just hhave no idea it exist
           
         
        
          2027 [15:53:37] <chaddy> Filystyn: are some characters not being
            displayed properly?
           
         
        
          2028 [15:53:37] <petn-randall> Filystyn: The locale gives any
            running programs hints in what language to display any messages,
            measurement units, paper sizes, etc. The encoding is only a part of
            it.
           
         
        
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          2030 [15:53:56] <Filystyn> wrong  
         
        
          2031 [15:54:01] <Filystyn> look at this example
           
         
        
          2032 [15:54:26] <Filystyn> one working
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2033 [15:54:54] <Filystyn> nt working
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2034 [15:54:57] <Filystyn> not*  
         
        
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          2036 [15:55:05] <Filystyn> because it has no pl one
           
         
        
          2037 [15:55:14] <Filystyn> why do i need to have the languag eone
           
         
        
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          2039 [15:55:24] <Filystyn> why not just force all to use the
            C.utf8
           
         
        
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          2041 [15:55:35] <Filystyn> C.UTF-8  
         
        
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          2043 [15:55:46] <Filystyn> why make partial locale utf-8
           
         
        
          2044 [15:56:27] <kevin-leptons> chaos in here =]]
           
         
        
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          2047 [15:57:09] <Filystyn> ANSWER ME!!!!  
         
        
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          2050 [15:57:41] <petn-randall> Filystyn: If you carry on yelling,
            I will refuse to help you.
           
         
        
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          2060 [16:00:40] <Filystyn> waiting...  
         
        
          2061 [16:00:42] <chaddy> Filystyn: you're not making as much
            sense as you think you are, which was why I suggested #debian-pl
           
         
        
          2062 [16:00:57] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Sorry, but I still
            don't understand your issue. Your working example threw some
            errors to STDERR. What is the grand goal you want to achieve?
           
         
        
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          2064 [16:01:11] <Filystyn> if ou do not know how to answer the
            qustion you should not enter the conversation friends
           
         
        
          2065 [16:01:29] <Filystyn> and i was very precise what the problem
            was
           
         
        
          2066 [16:01:32] <lapyo> is this the right channel for asking help
            for USB-stick installation problems
           
         
        
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          2074 [16:03:31] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Your only question was
            "WHY not just use always C.UTF-8 in all system WHY part them to
            language locales". If I understand that question correctly, I
            already gave you an answer. But I think there's also a language
            barrier here.
           
         
        
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          2076 [16:03:52] <Filystyn> there is no barrier
           
         
        
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          2079 [16:04:08] <lapyo> nvm  
         
        
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          2081 [16:04:09] <Filystyn> there could be separate locale for it
           
         
        
          2082 [16:04:18] <petn-randall> Filystyn: What is "it"?
           
         
        
          2083 [16:04:23] <Filystyn> the language  
         
        
          2084 [16:04:43] <petn-randall> Filystyn: With language barrier I
            mean your english is difficult to understand.
           
         
        
          2085 [16:05:11] <Filystyn> The language it self could be in locale
           
         
        
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          2087 [16:05:22] <Filystyn> the tf-8 cold stay not language related
           
         
        
          2088 [16:05:34] <teraflops> Filystyn: theres nothing wrong in
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2089 [16:05:48] <Filystyn> this one is proper
           
         
        
          2090 [16:05:52] <Filystyn> the wrong one was teh second
           
         
        
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          2092 [16:06:40] <Filystyn> i belive you were the one that got
            stuck on *understanding*
           
         
        
          2093 [16:07:08] <petn-randall> Filystyn: LC_ALL overrides every
            other locale environment variable, see 'man 7 locale' for
            details.
           
         
        
          2094 [16:07:08] <Filystyn> the wrost thing is that the question
            here is realy smple
           
         
        
          2095 [16:07:24] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Yet nobody understood
            your question yet.
           
         
        
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          2097 [16:07:57] <Filystyn> because his is how they made it they
            MERGED the utf-8 into locales
           
         
        
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          2099 [16:08:03] <Filystyn> and my question is WHY
           
         
        
          2100 [16:08:25] <Filystyn> why not leave locales wiithout
            connecting them to utf-8
           
         
        
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          2102 [16:08:52] <Filystyn> could be setlocale(LC_ALL,
            "pl_PL");
           
         
        
          2103 [16:09:03] <Filystyn> instead they force you to use only
            polish locales.
           
         
        
          2104 [16:09:10] <teraflops> C locale is a special locale that is
            meant to be the simplest locale. not meant to print your localized
            messages, the language is usually US English (it's at the
            discretion of the application author) and things like currency
            symbols are not defined
           
         
        
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          2106 [16:09:42] <ashka> hi, can I do something so that systemd
            waits for all the dhcp interfaces to be up before starting some
            services with using etc/network/interfaces and without adding some
            hack into systemd ?
           
         
        
          2107 [16:09:49] <Filystyn> teraflops than WHY
           
         
        
          2108 [16:09:58] <teraflops> stop using caps
           
         
        
          2109 [16:10:03] <Filystyn> why does it return ERROR on not polish
            locale
           
         
        
          2110 [16:10:05] <Filystyn> INSTEAD  
         
        
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          2112 [16:10:06] <teraflops> Filystyn: why? I already told you
           
         
        
          2113 [16:10:13] <teraflops> ok im going to ignore you
           
         
        
          2114 [16:10:15] <Filystyn> of simply treat it as bytes that are
            not locale
           
         
        
          2115 [16:10:18] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Because the encoding is
            an important part of displaying localized messages?
           
         
        
          2116 [16:10:21] <Filystyn> oh fuck of noob
           
         
        
          2117 [16:10:26] <petn-randall> !ops Filystyn
           
         
        
          2118 [16:10:26] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
            mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
            zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall
            complains about: Filystyn
           
         
        
          2119 [16:10:32] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Goodbye
           
         
        
          2120 [16:10:46] <Filystyn> you could not help teraflops
           
         
        
          2121 [16:10:53] <Filystyn> no sorry here  
         
        
          2122 [16:11:21] <Filystyn> *can't understand question after
            told bazilion times, will continue to compain he doe snot
            understand*
           
         
        
          2123 [16:11:21] <teraflops> I already told you why, but youre
            being a dick, so good luck
           
         
        
          2124 [16:11:36] <Filystyn> It should not return error
           
         
        
          2125 [16:11:47] <Filystyn> just treat as some bytes
           
         
        
          2126 [16:12:06] <Filystyn> i can't belive mistake lik that
            exists
           
         
        
          2127 [16:12:08] <petn-randall> *plonk*  
         
        
          2128 [16:12:29] <chaddy> more likely wodka than wine, I think
           
         
        
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          2131 [16:14:01] <Filystyn> I am done wih you people i wil go to
            glibc since it's more of their problem not debian.
           
         
        
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          2137 [16:16:00] <Flippylosaurus> .seen me  
         
        
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          2139 [16:16:05] <Flippylosaurus> .seen Flippylosaurus
           
         
        
          2140 [16:16:06] <Flippylosaurus> oh  
         
        
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          2150 [16:19:13] <kal> hi, una orden en terminal que me permita
            cerrar una aplicacion en una hora determinada como shutdown
           
         
        
          2151 [16:19:26] <petn-randall> !es  
         
        
          2152 [16:19:27] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en
            Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en
            Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join
            #debian-es en la línea de chat.
           
         
        
          2153 [16:19:46] <missmbob> i think that's pt, no?
           
         
        
          2154 [16:20:57] <miesco> How is vsftpd very secure if ssl
            isn't enabled by default? So all passwords by default are sent
            unencrypted?
           
         
        
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          2159 [16:21:41] <troysankey> i'm reading the wiki article for
            unattended upgrades and i'm not sure what the difference is
            between 20auto-upgrades and 02periodic
           
         
        
          2160 [16:21:44] <troysankey>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2162 [16:21:53] <missmbob> !ftpmustdie  
         
        
          2163 [16:21:54] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE!
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2164 [16:22:06] <missmbob> miesco: it's not. you have to make
            it secure. yes, default is unencrypted
           
         
        
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          2168 [16:22:53] <miesco> missmbob: Yea but with http, you
            can't download multiple directories at once, correct?
           
         
        
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          2171 [16:23:35] <missmbob> miesco: you could write a quick php
            script for it if you wanted to
           
         
        
          2172 [16:23:46] <missmbob> miesco: i'm sure there are many
            you could google
           
         
        
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          2196 [16:29:15] <miesco> missmbob: Really? How would that work?
           
         
        
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          2198 [16:29:40] <miesco> missmbob: I thought the browser clients
            can only download a single file
           
         
        
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          2200 [16:30:06] <missmbob> miesco: the server side creates a tar
            or zip of the directories and feeds that to the client
           
         
        
          2201 [16:30:24] <missmbob> miesco: google php file manager or http
            file manager and you'll see a bunch
           
         
        
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          2210 [16:34:23] <miesco> missmbob: I suppose 'owncloud'
            would be one?
           
         
        
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          2220 [16:36:34] <missmbob> miesco: sure  
         
        
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          2239 [16:42:31] <teraflops> miesco: I can understand that you have
            to use ftp on the client side if youre forced to do so, but
            installing ftp server on your own initiative … there are
            better alternatives
           
         
        
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          2243 [16:43:35] <greycat> Oh? What are the alternatives to solve
            the "my client is fucking 600 years old and wants to use FTP
            and he is very rich and powerful and so I have to obey or be
            flayed" than to install an FTP server?
           
         
        
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          2246 [16:45:08] <miesco> Is there a way to view a file in a
            package?
           
         
        
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          2248 [16:45:09] <teraflops> greycat: I include that one in being
            forced to do so then
           
         
        
          2249 [16:45:31] <greycat> Oh, your alternatives were for the
            client, not for the server.
           
         
        
          2250 [16:45:42] <teraflops> were for the server
           
         
        
          2251 [16:45:58] <greycat> miesco: is the package currently
            installed? If so, it's trivial.
           
         
        
          2252 [16:46:09] <miesco> I have aptitude, but I deleted one of the
            files that is part of a package that was installed on my computer.
            How do I view the original file in the package?
           
         
        
          2253 [16:46:24] <greycat> And you don't simply wish to
            INSTALL the missing file?
           
         
        
          2254 [16:46:33] <miesco> greycat: No because I replaced it
           
         
        
          2255 [16:46:43] <miesco> its /etc/vsftpd.conf
           
         
        
          2256 [16:46:49] <miesco> I used my old config
           
         
        
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          2259 [16:47:24] <greycat> Then you use an ar command to pull the
            data.tar.gz file out of the .deb and you filter that through a
            tar/gzip command to pull the file-by-name out of the compressed tar
            archive.
           
         
        
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          2261 [16:47:53] <greycat> or, alternatively, you extract the whole
            bloody thing into a subdirectory of /tmp and then you cat the file.
           
         
        
          2262 [16:47:54] <jelly-home> miesco: does dpkg -L package-name
            list the etc/vsftpd.conf path at all? Sometimes config file are not
            actually part of a package.
           
         
        
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          2266 [16:48:16] <greycat> or, alternatively, you look at the
            /etc/vsftpd.conf.dpkg* file that got left behind
           
         
        
          2267 [16:48:21] <jelly-home> sometimes they're generated from
            a template at installation time in the install scripts
           
         
        
          2268 [16:48:22] <greycat> sometimes that happens
           
         
        
          2269 [16:48:33] <miesco> jelly-home: Yea it does
           
         
        
          2270 [16:48:44] <miesco> greycat: Not there
           
         
        
          2271 [16:48:50] <jelly-home> right, you can look at the package
            contents then.
           
         
        
          2272 [16:48:54] <greycat> OK, first two alternatives then.
           
         
        
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          2274 [16:49:06] <miesco> jelly-home: How?  
         
        
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          2276 [16:49:35] <jelly-home> miesco: apt-get download vsftpd (or
            whatever the package name), dpkg-deb --unpack blah.deb sometempdir/,
            less sometempdir/etc/vsftpd.conf
           
         
        
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          2279 [16:49:54] <jelly-home> none of that has to be done as root
           
         
        
          2280 [16:49:56] <miesco> I found it
            /var/cache/apt/archives/vsftpd_3.0.2-17+deb8u1_amd64.deb
           
         
        
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          2282 [16:50:17] <miesco> jelly-home: Ah I use root for everything
           
         
        
          2283 [16:50:23] <greycat> Not wise.  
         
        
          2284 [16:50:24] <miesco> jelly-home: Well not everything
           
         
        
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          2286 [16:50:30] <miesco> greycat: why?  
         
        
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          2288 [16:50:46] <greycat> Because you might screw up.
           
         
        
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          2290 [16:50:59] <jelly> argualy he did screw up already :-)
           
         
        
          2291 [16:51:00] <greycat> Screwing up as root has much more
            potentially dire consequences than screwing up as yourself.
           
         
        
          2292 [16:51:00] <miesco> greycat: I could also screw up using sudo
           
         
        
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          2294 [16:51:12] <greycat> USING SUDO *IS* BEING ROOT, DUMB ASS
           
         
        
          2295 [16:51:12] <jelly> sudo is just a way to be root
           
         
        
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          2298 [16:51:31] <miesco> well I only use root for root things
           
         
        
          2299 [16:51:39] <greycat> 10:50 miesco> jelly-home: Ah I use
            root for everything
           
         
        
          2300 [16:51:40] <greycat> 10:51 miesco> well I only use root
            for root things
           
         
        
          2301 [16:51:48] <miesco> 10:50am miesco | jelly-home: Well not
            everything
           
         
        
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          2303 [16:51:54] <jelly> miesco, and I'm explaining you
            don't need root to dpkg-deb --unpack
           
         
        
          2304 [16:52:06] <miesco> I meant everything superuser related
           
         
        
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          2306 [16:52:11] <greycat> nor do you need root to do the ar|tar
            thing.
           
         
        
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          2308 [16:52:37] <miesco> greycat: Fine, I was already comfortable
            in my root bash terminal but i'll switch to my user one and
            look at the .deb
           
         
        
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          2312 [16:53:12] <miesco> err actually I just noticed im ssh'd
            in
           
         
        
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          2314 [16:53:26] <miesco> I'll create a tmux session then and
            use the user
           
         
        
          2315 [16:53:56] <jelly> it was just a side note. We don't
            really care if you needlessly use root for all the things.
           
         
        
          2316 [16:54:10] <jelly> it's just not the safest possible
            practice
           
         
        
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          2318 [16:54:41] <miesco> ah crap now I got a tmux session in a
            tmux session...
           
         
        
          2319 [16:54:46] <miesco> I should of just used root
           
         
        
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          2329 [16:57:39] <ashka> why is wheezy->jessie broken if there
            are services depending on a dhcp interface?
           
         
        
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          2331 [16:58:15] <teraflops> ashka: custom services you created?
           
         
        
          2332 [16:58:20] <ashka> teraflops: sshd  
         
        
          2333 [16:58:29] <greycat> I don't understand what you're
            asking.
           
         
        
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          2338 [16:59:01] <jelly> ashka: probably because noone reported it
            as a bug
           
         
        
          2339 [16:59:01] <teraflops> ah, no idea I did not notice such
            breackage doing dist-upgrade
           
         
        
          2340 [16:59:14] <ashka> if there's a dhcp interface in
            etc/network/interfaces before upgrade and if a service binds a
            socket to this interface then systemd starts the service before the
            interface got its address
           
         
        
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          2344 [17:00:04] <miesco> jelly: Did you mean dpkg-deb --extract?
           
         
        
          2345 [17:00:06] <dka> I am trying to understand why the file owned
            by meBackup:meBackup can't get copied over ssh with RSA
            authentication. I keep getting prompt the password
           
         
        
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          2347 [17:00:27] <jelly> miesco, yes, sorry
           
         
        
          2348 [17:00:28] <greycat> dka: well, it's got nothing at all
            to do with the file.
           
         
        
          2349 [17:00:48] <greycat> dka: test with "ssh me@host
            date" or something similar
           
         
        
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          2351 [17:01:52] <ashka> the way to fix it seems to be migrating
            the network/interfaces to systemd-networkd but the jessie release
            notes do not mention networking at all
           
         
        
          2352 [17:01:54] <jelly> ashka: in theory, an ifup action
            isn't supposed to succeed before the iface is configured.
           
         
        
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          2355 [17:02:39] <ashka> jelly: network.target seems to be reached
            before dhclient is done
           
         
        
          2356 [17:03:11] <jelly> ashka, can you pastebin your interfaces
            file?
           
         
        
          2357 [17:03:15] <jelly> !paste  
         
        
          2358 [17:03:15] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
            channel. Instead, use:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2360 [17:03:36] <dka> greycat, "sudo -u me-backup ssh
            me-backup@mesites.sytes.net -p10022 -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i
            /backup/.ssh/id_rsa date" return me a prompt for password
           
         
        
          2361 [17:03:47] <dka> user exist on both host with the same
            uid/guid
           
         
        
          2362 [17:03:59] <greycat> Right, so it's got nothing to do
            with the ownership of some file you were trying to cat on the
            server.
           
         
        
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          2364 [17:04:33] <jelly> dka, are authorized_keys configured with
            the right pubkey for the right user on the remote system?
           
         
        
          2365 [17:04:34] <greycat> Are the permissions right on the
            /backup/.ssh/id_rsa file and on the /backup directory?
           
         
        
          2366 [17:05:03] <greycat> (and on /backup/.ssh )
           
         
        
          2367 [17:05:07] <jelly> dka, in other words, did key-based auth
            _ever_ work?
           
         
        
          2368 [17:05:44] <dka> sender has private key with perms 600 and
            ownership of me-backup:me-backup && receiver has public key
            in /backup/.ssh/authorized_keys, this file has perms 655 and
            ownership me-backup:me-backup.
           
         
        
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          2370 [17:06:06] <dka> jelly, key's are good, I don't
            mind regenerate the keys if you doubt of it :]
           
         
        
          2371 [17:06:10] <greycat> You did not check the permissions of
            /backup and /backup.ssh then?
           
         
        
          2372 [17:06:16] <greycat> GAH  
         
        
          2373 [17:06:18] <miesco> Is ftp server insecure if you only enable
            anonymous?
           
         
        
          2374 [17:06:19] <greycat> You did not check the permissions of
            /backup and /backup/.ssh then?
           
         
        
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          2376 [17:06:32] <greycat> miesco:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2377 [17:06:33] <ashka> jelly:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2378 [17:07:05] <greycat> How is ssh binding on the unknown IP
            address of eth1?
           
         
        
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          2380 [17:08:12] <dka> greycat, perms on sender
            "/backup/.ssh" are "770" and ownership
            "me-backup:me-backup", perms on receiver
            "/backup/.ssh" are "770" with ownership
            "me-backup:me-backup"
           
         
        
          2381 [17:08:14] <ashka> greycat: the dhcp for it will give me the
            same address reliably so I've put it in the sshd_config
           
         
        
          2382 [17:08:41] <greycat> dka: the group writability is a problem.
            It will disqualify the key.
           
         
        
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          2387 [17:10:07] <miesco> greycat: Okay your rant is missing a
            replacement
           
         
        
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          2390 [17:10:25] <ashka> greycat: I get some routes from the dhcp,
            which is why I do not use static for it, if you're wondering
           
         
        
          2391 [17:10:26] <dka> greycat, group writability on folder or file
            ?
           
         
        
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          2394 [17:10:40] <greycat> dka: ALL OF THE ABOVE
           
         
        
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          2396 [17:10:50] <greycat> dka:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2397 [17:11:02] <dka> greycat, tty  
         
        
          2398 [17:11:04] <jelly> ashka: if you're getting an arbitrary
            address via dhcp, sensible configs for ssh service would either be
            "listen on every iface" or "make bloody well sure
            dhcp always assigns the same IP"
           
         
        
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          2400 [17:11:18] <miesco> greycat: What do you use to replace ftp
            (for public access)?
           
         
        
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          2402 [17:11:40] <greycat> miesco: I have a web server, as you may
            have noticed by the two URLs I've passed out recently...
           
         
        
          2403 [17:11:40] <jelly> ashka: so it's an unusual setup,
            I'm not surprised you managed to find a corner case
           
         
        
          2404 [17:12:02] <ashka> jelly: it assigns the IP properly though,
            but still starts too early. I have to upgrade several machines
            I'll do various tests
           
         
        
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          2406 [17:12:29] <jelly> ashka: in your case, I think you
            _don't_ want to use "allow-hotplug". You want
            "auto".
           
         
        
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          2410 [17:13:07] <jelly> hotplug implies an iface can go up at any
            time, and your ssh service is not configured to handle that.
           
         
        
          2411 [17:13:13] <miesco> greycat: I mean if I have the all 9
            seasons of the simpsons and I want someone to be able to download
            any season
           
         
        
          2412 [17:13:30] <greycat> Then you could put them on your web
            server.
           
         
        
          2413 [17:13:41] <jelly> ashka: s/allow-hotplug/auto/g, reboot, see
            if it makes things different
           
         
        
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          2423 [17:15:51] <jelly> ,v ifupdown2  
         
        
          2424 [17:15:53] <judd> Package: ifupdown2 on amd64 --
            jessie-backports: 1.0~git20160525-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.0~git20160525-1;
            stretch: 1.0~git20160525-1
           
         
        
          2425 [17:16:01] <miesco> greycat: But how would someone download
            the whole directory?
           
         
        
          2426 [17:16:05] <greycat> *sigh*  
         
        
          2427 [17:16:24] <greycat> miesco: So your goal is to offer an
            interface by which end users can retrieve EITHER a single file OR an
            entire directory in a single transaction?
           
         
        
          2428 [17:16:24] <jelly> miesco, wget.  
         
        
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          2431 [17:16:41] <miesco> greycat: yes  
         
        
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          2433 [17:16:59] <miesco> jelly: too advanced for friends
           
         
        
          2434 [17:17:01] <greycat> I dunno. There's probably some
            application for that. I've never WANTED to know.
           
         
        
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          2436 [17:17:17] <jelly> miesco, they can use whatever downloader
            they want.
           
         
        
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          2439 [17:17:33] <greycat> I'm absolutely certain that your
            un-advanced friends wouldn't know how to drive "get
            dirname.tar.gz" in an FTP client either, so that's out.
           
         
        
          2440 [17:17:47] <croddy> having to click 26 times should be a good
            way to motivate people to learn two things about computers
           
         
        
          2441 [17:17:51] <jelly> there's dozens of tools to slurp up a
            web site or a directory from a browser
           
         
        
          2442 [17:18:00] <missmbob> miesco: pretty sure i've already
            covered this with you. there are http file managers. of course use
            it in https only
           
         
        
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          2444 [17:18:31] <jelly> miesco, webdav can be mounted as a
            filesystem in windows.
           
         
        
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          2447 [17:19:00] <miesco> jelly: Like I need to give a url
           
         
        
          2448 [17:19:15] <croddy> i've supported webdav as a windows
            mount for this sort of crowd. results were... mixed
           
         
        
          2449 [17:19:53] <Danne-> Hi! anyone here that rocks on mdadm? I
            have a problem with a exisisting array. mdadm has set 2 of my drives
            ad removed (RAID 6) and i cannot add them to the array again, anyone
            has sugestions?
           
         
        
          2450 [17:19:57] <missmbob> owncloud gives you a "share
            with" link
           
         
        
          2451 [17:20:23] <jelly> Danne-: ask in #linux-raid
           
         
        
          2452 [17:20:28] <Danne-> ok!  
         
        
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          2456 [17:22:28] <miesco> Is this normal?
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2459 [17:24:22] <jelly> miesco, probably.  
         
        
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          2461 [17:24:43] <greycat> One thing I can say: only one of them
            can bind to the FTP connection port.
           
         
        
          2462 [17:25:35] <miesco> jelly: I have a weird file called
            Photo.scr in my ftp's upload/ dir. Do you think its malicious?
           
         
        
          2463 [17:25:48] <miesco> jelly: mediainfo says its an executable
           
         
        
          2464 [17:25:56] <greycat> You. Had. An upload. Directory.
           
         
        
          2465 [17:25:58] <greycat> *facepalm*  
         
        
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          2468 [17:26:35] <han-solo> miesco: it's malicious
           
         
        
          2469 [17:26:35] <greycat> Do you know what happens when you run an
            FTP server that has a writable upload directory? With anonymous
            users allowed?
           
         
        
          2470 [17:26:37] <han-solo> i think,  
         
        
          2471 [17:26:47] <han-solo> also .pif  
         
        
          2472 [17:26:49] <Kobaz> anyone know some  
         
        
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          2474 [17:27:17] <greycat> You get free copyright-infringing MP3
            files, and warez, and ... well, last time I did it was many years
            ago, so nowadays you'd probably get movies....
           
         
        
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          2476 [17:27:25] <han-solo> know some public uploadable ftp severs?
           
         
        
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          2478 [17:27:30] <han-solo> s/severs/servers
           
         
        
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          2480 [17:27:49] <Kobaz> whoops  
         
        
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          2482 [17:28:08] <Kobaz> anyone know some repos that still have
            squeeze debs?
           
         
        
          2483 [17:28:19] <greycat> !squeeze sources.list
           
         
        
          2484 [17:28:19] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
            6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2487 [17:28:39] <miesco> greycat: So I get free stuff...
           
         
        
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          2489 [17:28:46] <Kobaz> all the files are 404
           
         
        
          2490 [17:28:54] <greycat> Free stuff which may or may not be in
            violation of your local laws. Yes.
           
         
        
          2491 [17:28:54] <Kobaz> oooh  
         
        
          2492 [17:28:57] <Kobaz> archive..  
         
        
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          2494 [17:31:13] <miesco> greycat: Man I am serving so much
            copyright infrining stuff on my ftp server already
           
         
        
          2495 [17:31:20] <miesco> greycat: Like thats the whole point
           
         
        
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          2497 [17:31:40] <miesco> greycat: And the upload/ dir is not
            public readable, so no one can see all the mp3 files people give me
           
         
        
          2498 [17:31:44] <greycat> But it's stuff you chose. Rather
            than stuff chosen by your unknowable user base.
           
         
        
          2499 [17:31:59] <miesco> greycat: Still, its world unreadable. No
            one knows.
           
         
        
          2500 [17:32:01] <jelly> miesco, don't tell us that. Freenode
            does not condone or allow illegal behaviour.
           
         
        
          2501 [17:32:16] <miesco> jelly: Okay my bad
           
         
        
          2502 [17:32:21] * jelly pretends he didn't read anything *lalala*
           
         
        
          2503 [17:32:28] <ashka> jelly: auto seems to work alright, thanks
           
         
        
          2504 [17:32:36] <greycat> miesco: Alice can still use you as a
            mule to transfer a file to Bob. She uploads to you, tells Bob the
            exact filename, and Bob downloads it from your upload directory.
           
         
        
          2505 [17:33:12] <han-solo> miesco: server address?
           
         
        
          2506 [17:33:31] <greycat> Still, if you really do want to operate
            in this legally dark grey area, then maybe FTP is appropriate.
           
         
        
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          2512 [17:35:38] <miesco> greycat: Why is that?
           
         
        
          2513 [17:35:54] <jelly> !slap han-solo  
         
        
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            han-solo's face
           
         
        
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          2516 [17:36:21] <miesco> Well he is a smuggler
           
         
        
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          2523 [17:38:22] <han-solo> whaaat?  
         
        
          2524 [17:38:40] <han-solo> i was just looking to see, if i can
            break it somehow
           
         
        
          2525 [17:38:56] <han-solo> i mean the "world unreadable
            directory" :)
           
         
        
          2526 [17:39:23] <missmbob> so many people want to get banned today
           
         
        
          2527 [17:39:40] <jelly> banned, frowned upon, same diff
           
         
        
          2528 [17:39:40] <greycat> The uploader simply tells his intended
            downloaders the exact filenames. Then they can be downloaded from
            the "unreadable" directory.
           
         
        
          2529 [17:40:08] <Kobaz> what about a post-upload script that does
            a chmod o-r
           
         
        
          2530 [17:40:11] <han-solo> will turn out i couldn't, anyway
           
         
        
          2531 [17:40:16] <Kobaz> now the server is upload-only
           
         
        
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          2533 [17:40:40] <greycat> So what is the point of having the
            upload directory at alL?
           
         
        
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          2537 [17:41:34] <miesco> greycat: For people to give me files
           
         
        
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          2539 [17:42:02] <han-solo> what files?  
         
        
          2540 [17:42:03] <greycat> OK. All the warnings have been given.
           
         
        
          2541 [17:42:10] <greycat> You're on your own here.
           
         
        
          2542 [17:42:24] <han-solo> the phrack ones? :)
           
         
        
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          2544 [17:43:06] <han-solo> Although the phrack ones, were fun.
            Have you guys ever checked textfiles?
           
         
        
          2545 [17:43:27] <miesco> greycat: I have umask 077 on all uploaded
            files
           
         
        
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          2547 [17:44:16] <Ghostbird> miesco: But the FTP server can read
            them right?
           
         
        
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          2551 [17:44:51] <Kobaz> oh and you should be using sftp
           
         
        
          2552 [17:44:51] <greycat> And the FBI can read them if someone
            tells them you've got child porn, and they seize your computer?
           
         
        
          2553 [17:44:52] <Ghostbird> miesco: So as long as the FTP server
            still offers downloads by exact name, they're still accessible.
           
         
        
          2554 [17:45:24] <Kobaz> ftp needs to die a quick painless death
           
         
        
          2555 [17:45:39] <greycat> (Or substitute a government agency of
            your choice, if you are not within the FBI's jurisdiction.)
           
         
        
          2556 [17:46:17] <jelly> honestly, ftp with ssl may be cumbersome
            but is as secure as any other ssl/tls based service
           
         
        
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          2559 [17:46:51] <han-solo> forgive me, for my intriguing thoughts
           
         
        
          2560 [17:46:54] <Ghostbird> greycat: Like FBI cares about
            jurisdiction :)
           
         
        
          2561 [17:46:58] <Kobaz> and tends to be firewall-unfriendly
           
         
        
          2562 [17:47:06] <han-solo> what if someone, wget -r's it?
           
         
        
          2563 [17:47:09] <Kobaz> because of still using split data/control
            ports
           
         
        
          2564 [17:47:18] <Kobaz> use sftp and be done with it
           
         
        
          2565 [17:47:29] <han-solo> they can do that, right?
           
         
        
          2566 [17:47:44] <greycat> No.  
         
        
          2567 [17:47:56] <greycat> Not unless they know the filenames.
           
         
        
          2568 [17:48:10] <miesco> Ghostbird: I checked and its not
            accessable
           
         
        
          2569 [17:48:13] <han-solo> what would happen, i never done that
            with ftp
           
         
        
          2570 [17:48:32] <han-solo> but wget -r is supposed to fetch
            recursively, no?
           
         
        
          2571 [17:48:38] <greycat> wget -r only works if it can fetch
            something that contains the names of the next things to fetch
           
         
        
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          2574 [17:49:02] <han-solo> okay  
         
        
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          2576 [17:49:08] <miesco> unless you brute force the names
           
         
        
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          2578 [17:49:17] <Ghostbird> miesco: Well, good luck with your
            probably rather pointless, and potentially highly illegal endeavour.
           
         
        
          2579 [17:49:38] * miesco turns on ssl  
         
        
          2580 [17:50:11] <han-solo> :}  
         
        
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          2583 [17:51:06] <jelly> let's just say there's a reason
            there are no irc bots or ftp sites for warez any more, but private
            trackers
           
         
        
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          2585 [17:51:38] <miesco> Well my ftp server is off because you
            guys scared me (not the legal stuff, but the security stuff)
           
         
        
          2586 [17:51:52] <jelly> good :-D  
         
        
          2587 [17:51:54] <jelly> !next  
         
        
          2588 [17:51:54] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
           
         
        
          2589 [17:52:05] <han-solo> you've got pron! :D
           
         
        
          2590 [17:52:08] <miesco> Oh no... it wont stop!
           
         
        
          2591 [17:52:09] <han-solo> s/pron/porn  
         
        
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          2593 [17:52:12] <han-solo> damn!  
         
        
          2594 [17:52:47] <miesco> ok nvm it stopped
           
         
        
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          2601 [17:54:59] <Manis> Is there a way to get an older kernel
            build from jessie-backports?
           
         
        
          2602 [17:55:22] <jhutchins> !archive  
         
        
          2603 [17:55:22] <dpkg> somebody said archive was a collection of
            files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all
            archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a
            separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian
            releases, see
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2604 [17:55:22] <jelly> !snapshot  
         
        
          2605 [17:55:29] <greycat> Not explicitly *from* jessie-backports,
            but you should be able to pull an older .deb file out of the pool.
           
         
        
          2606 [17:55:51] <jelly> Manis, look at snapshot.debian.org
           
         
        
          2607 [17:55:55] <greycat> !snapshot  
         
        
          2608 [17:55:55] <dpkg>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2610 [17:56:14] <greycat> Did my "/msg dpkg snapshot"
            really prevent it from answering in the channel?
           
         
        
          2611 [17:56:20] <jelly> apparently  
         
        
          2612 [17:56:43] <miesco> Oh, firefox doesn't support ftps by
            default...
           
         
        
          2613 [17:56:53] <greycat> ftps isn't a real thing.
           
         
        
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          2615 [17:57:16] <greycat> building a hack on top of FTP is about
            as smart as... building a hack *on top of FTP*.
           
         
        
          2616 [17:57:31] <Kobaz> ie: not very smart
           
         
        
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          2618 [17:59:01] <Manis> greycat, how do you mean not explicitly
            from jessie-backports?
           
         
        
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          2620 [17:59:44] <greycat> I mean that there would not be some
            apt-get command for it.
           
         
        
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          2622 [18:00:00] <greycat> Or at least it's not *likely*
           
         
        
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          2626 [18:02:26] <jelly> <dpkg> You already asked me
            something 0 seconds ago. # LIES
           
         
        
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          2634 [18:06:20] <BadPractice> hi, i am trying to set up a mail
            server on debian 8. So far i failed miserably 3 times. Anyone knows
            where i can find intel, can help me?
           
         
        
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          2639 [18:07:31] <greycat> BadPractice: which mail server are you
            trying to set up, and what problem are you having?
           
         
        
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          2641 [18:07:42] <greycat> ("which" meaning "which
            software package")
           
         
        
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          2650 [18:09:41] <BadPractice> greycat: i was going for
            postfix/dovcot. My problem is that i dont really know how stuff is
            supposed to work with authentication. Most tutorials used sql. Do i
            need that?
           
         
        
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          2654 [18:10:26] <BadPractice> grey i tried
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2658 [18:11:36] <BadPractice> but im not sure if it is even what i
            want. I am going to use the mail server all by myself. I dont need a
            web interface and want all emails sent to philipp@badpractice.at
           
         
        
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          2662 [18:12:48] <BadPractice> greycat: do i make sense? :(
           
         
        
          2663 [18:12:59] <greycat> If you simply want to forward ALL email
            to that address, just use a simple exim setup with a smarthost and a
            list of aliases.
           
         
        
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          2667 [18:14:09] <BadPractice> greycat: whats exim? :( something
            simmelar to postfix?
           
         
        
          2668 [18:14:28] <greycat> Fine, postfix then if you know postfix
            better or if you wish to learn postfix instead.
           
         
        
          2669 [18:14:31] <lorenzocabrini> BadPractice: it's another
            SMTP server
           
         
        
          2670 [18:14:50] <greycat> exim is the default in Debian and is
            perfect adequate for simple cases like this
           
         
        
          2671 [18:14:54] <greycat> +ly  
         
        
          2672 [18:15:09] <greycat> But there's nothing wrong with
            postfix either.
           
         
        
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          2676 [18:16:15] <BadPractice> greycat: im not sure if simple cuts
            it. i wanna be able to choose how to communicate with other servers
            (like not alowing only tls)
           
         
        
          2677 [18:16:31] <BadPractice> tsl  
         
        
          2678 [18:16:33] <BadPractice> whatever  
         
        
          2679 [18:16:45] <greycat> You said you just wanted to forward all
            of the system's email to one address.
           
         
        
          2680 [18:16:57] <greycat> Why are you NOW choosing to make it
            super stupid complicated?
           
         
        
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          2682 [18:18:41] <BadPractice> greycat: ahm... ssl is not secure
            anymore?
           
         
        
          2683 [18:19:16] <greycat> What the hell, why are you WORRYING
            about this shit?
           
         
        
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          2685 [18:19:39] <Flippylosaurus> BadPractice: since when is ssl
            not secure?
           
         
        
          2686 [18:19:45] <lorenzocabrini> BadPractice: communicating with
            other mail servers can be much more complicated than you think these
            days
           
         
        
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          2688 [18:20:09] <greycat> You want to forward all your mail to one
            address. So you tell exim "use blah blah as my smart host"
            and then you edit /etc/aliases and you tell it to forward root to
            me@gmail and fred to me@gmail and so on and then you maybe run
            newaliases and it's DONE. That's the WHOLE FUCKING
            PROCESS.
           
         
        
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          2690 [18:20:23] <Spec> ssl insecure. solution: disable it, prefer
            plaintext. scan results: passing
           
         
        
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          2692 [18:20:58] <Spec> i have had people literaaaalllly want to do
            this
           
         
        
          2693 [18:21:15] <teclo-> ssl not secure ?  
         
        
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          2695 [18:21:19] <Spec> teclo-: pls  
         
        
          2696 [18:21:22] <greycat> Do people ACTUALLY think that EMAIL is
            secure?!
           
         
        
          2697 [18:21:27] <Spec> ^  
         
        
          2698 [18:21:33] <BadPractice> greycat: gmail? i want to connect to
            my mail server with thunderbird
           
         
        
          2699 [18:21:40] <teclo-> well email is insecure by design
           
         
        
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          2701 [18:22:08] <greycat> BadPractice: GMAIL, HOTMAIL, I
            DON'TCAREMAIL. You gave some stupid forwarding address with .at
            on the end. I did not feel like scrolling back up and hunting for it
            to copy/paste it. So I just plugged in gmail.
           
         
        
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          2703 [18:22:21] <greycat> Whatever you forward to, it's the
            same thing.
           
         
        
          2704 [18:22:22] <teclo-> when they created SMTP, only competent
            guys in universities had root on the servers
           
         
        
          2705 [18:22:42] <BadPractice> greycat: yea i could do that but
            thats neighter what i want nor what i asked for?
           
         
        
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          2707 [18:23:16] <greycat> I give up.  
         
        
          2708 [18:23:38] <greycat> You said you wanted all your mail to go
            to the whoever@whatever.at address. Now you say you don't. I
            don't know how to help you.
           
         
        
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          2713 [18:25:12] <BadPractice> greycat: i have a domain
            badpractice.at. i want all mails who go to *@badpractice.at
            delivered to philipp@badpractice.at. I figured that i connect to
            philipp@badpractice.at with imap/tls/plain password or something
           
         
        
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          2720 [18:27:02] <BadPractice> okey anyone can give me hints
            setting up a postfix/coldov mailserver?
           
         
        
          2721 [18:27:21] <Spec>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2726 [18:28:20] <jhutchins> BadPractice: Actually, that's
            fairly simple to do if you read the docs.
           
         
        
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          2728 [18:28:41] <jhutchins> BadPractice: greycat thought you
            wanted to forward to another server.
           
         
        
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          2736 [18:31:47] <FaTony> hi, how can I open all files with
            specific extension in a directory and replace text inside them?
           
         
        
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          2742 [18:33:02] <lorenzocabrini> FaTony: cat *.txt | sed
            's/something/else/g'
           
         
        
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          2744 [18:33:16] <lorenzocabrini> at least that's the starting
            point
           
         
        
          2745 [18:33:25] <lorenzocabrini> sed offers a lot
           
         
        
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          2749 [18:33:56] <lorenzocabrini> g is global so if you don't
            want to do global replace you can leave that out as well
           
         
        
          2750 [18:34:09] <FaTony> lorenzocabrini, thanks, will it look in
            subdirectories? what if I have slash inside the text I want to
            replace?
           
         
        
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          2752 [18:34:47] <lorenzocabrini> for slashes, use backspace. For
            subdirectories use, **/*.txt, at least on zsh
           
         
        
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          2754 [18:35:40] <lorenzocabrini> haven't used bash since i
            had a buggy bash on an old mandrake dist
           
         
        
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          2758 [18:36:39] <missmbob> FaTony: what he said won't work.
            ask the #bash guys
           
         
        
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          2760 [18:37:07] <FaTony> ok thanks  
         
        
          2761 [18:37:19] <lorenzocabrini> missmbob: what, the **/* part?
           
         
        
          2762 [18:37:24] <yaymuffins> Hello, I have a question, I'm
            trying to use OpenVPN in Bridge mode, I have 2 physical interface,
            WAN and LAN, I also have a vlan (WAN.832) and the bridge when
            it's up (br0)
           
         
        
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          2764 [18:37:52] <yaymuffins> Right now when I ifup the brige, 32
            seconds later, I loss connectivity on LAN
           
         
        
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          2767 [18:38:18] <missmbob> lorenzocabrini: the cat part. you need
            a for loop with sed
           
         
        
          2768 [18:38:42] <yaymuffins> Here the br0 config in
            /etc/network/interfaces:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2769 [18:38:59] <BadPractice> jhutchins: the documentaition is
            well ritten so far but im not sure if this is the right aproach. i
            dont know if i can get that working with caldov, if i get it
            configured to be state of the art secure and if i will ever finish
            reading this + coldov docu entirely
           
         
        
          2770 [18:39:02] <missmbob> lorenzocabrini: for what he wants, that
            is
           
         
        
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          2772 [18:39:14] <lorenzocabrini> missmbob: i use it all the time.
            No need for a for loop. At least not with s///
           
         
        
          2773 [18:39:22] <missmbob> lorenzocabrini: for what he wants
           
         
        
          2774 [18:39:33] <yaymuffins> Anyone has an idea how I could make
            it so LAN still work while bridge is up?
           
         
        
          2775 [18:39:45] <lorenzocabrini> i was interested in knowing if
            bash supports **/* because i just realized i really don't have
            a clue
           
         
        
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          2780 [18:41:00] <miesco> Two questions. 1) Is there php file
            managers that support public, anonymous downloads? 2) I realize ftp
            is outdated, but I do not see any _security_ issues if it is just an
            anonymous server serving content (with an upload dir). It may
            corrupt things, have too many handshakes, but I do not see anything
            as a security threat in this scenariou. I am correct?
           
         
        
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          2784 [18:42:16] <mutante> miesco: http apache ?
           
         
        
          2785 [18:42:19] <BadPractice> at installation postfix asks me what
            configuration i want. What do i want?
           
         
        
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          2788 [18:43:22] <missmbob> miesco: since this has been beaten to
            death for well over an hour now ...maybe #debian-offtopic? it's
            not a debian support issue
           
         
        
          2789 [18:43:53] <miesco> mutante: Sorry, I mean one were you can
            download directories as well
           
         
        
          2790 [18:44:03] <mutante> miesco: wget -r  
         
        
          2791 [18:44:07] <teraflops> BadPractice: how the hell are we
            supposed to know what you want?
           
         
        
          2792 [18:44:54] <BadPractice> jhutchins: what is a smarthost? do i
            want "Internet with smarthost" if i use coldov?
           
         
        
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          2794 [18:45:29] <mutante> BadPractice: it's a mail relay
           
         
        
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          2796 [18:46:01] <mutante> like when another server forwards the
            mail for you
           
         
        
          2797 [18:46:20] <BadPractice> i guess i stick with no
            configuration then...
           
         
        
          2798 [18:46:28] <teraflops> yaymuffins: last time I setup openvpn
            in bridge mode I followed
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2799 [18:46:52] <mutante> BadPractice: eh, i guess this definition
            is right "A smarthost is a mail relay that is specialized to
            deal with outbound email. "
           
         
        
          2800 [18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> i'm
            looking for a cheap VPS. specs are not a issue
           
         
        
          2801 [18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> idfk where
            to look
           
         
        
          2802 [18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> as most
            providers on lowendbox.com are just resellers
           
         
        
          2803 [18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> which go
            bankrupt in 3 weeks or smth
           
         
        
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            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2806 [18:47:49] <Flippylosaurus> wow.  
         
        
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          2808 [18:47:57] <Flippylosaurus> couldnt even copypaste a simple
            question
           
         
        
          2809 [18:48:08] <teraflops> Flippylosaurus: take a look at
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2811 [18:48:54] <Flippylosaurus> teraflops: was trying to say that
            but most providers there are resellers which probably go bankrupt as
            soon as they appear
           
         
        
          2812 [18:49:23] <mutante> Flippylosaurus: ovh.com is pretty cheap
           
         
        
          2813 [18:49:33] <teraflops> Flippylosaurus: that's why you
            read the threads and the user comments
           
         
        
          2814 [18:49:50] <Flippylosaurus> mutante: do they accept PayPal?
           
         
        
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          2819 [18:51:34] <mutante> Flippylosaurus: i dont know. it might
            depend which country you are in. they are in France.
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2820 [18:52:20] <Flippylosaurus> mutante: ah. dont wanna risk it
           
         
        
          2821 [18:52:23] <mutante> one of the sponsors of Letsencrypt gets
            a bonus point
           
         
        
          2822 [18:53:07] <mutante> what type of risk do you mean here
           
         
        
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          2824 [18:54:05] <curtis22> Flippylosaurus,
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2825 [18:54:05] <teraflops> mutante: cisco and facebook are
            sponsors too is this a bonus ;P
           
         
        
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          2831 [18:55:04] <teraflops> Flippylosaurus: oh, try
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2832 [18:55:08] <mutante> teraflops: oh.. eh.. for Cisco yes,
            Facebook never, j/k :)
           
         
        
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          2834 [18:55:14] <teraflops> heh  
         
        
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          2841 [18:56:36] <yaymuffins> teraflops, when I launch their script
           
         
        
          2842 [18:56:56] <yaymuffins> I immediately get disconnected from
            the machine
           
         
        
          2843 [18:56:59] <teraflops> which script?  
         
        
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          2845 [18:57:08] <yaymuffins> bridge-start  
         
        
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          2847 [18:57:13] <yaymuffins> Internet (WAN to LAN) still work
           
         
        
          2848 [18:57:21] <teraflops> ah sorry vpn  
         
        
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          2851 [18:57:46] <yaymuffins> but the machine itself (9.1) is not
            accessible at all, neither from the LAN or the WAN.
           
         
        
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          2861 [18:59:04] <teraflops> yaymuffins: yeah that's fine,
            check the routes, the default one and and fix/add it if necessary
           
         
        
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          2866 [19:00:33] <teraflops> yaymuffins: if youre in a vps remote
            machine that can be a problem, unless you have a serial console
            available or something like that
           
         
        
          2867 [19:00:40] <teraflops> vps/remote  
         
        
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          2877 [19:04:19] <yaymuffins> teraflops, machine is at home
           
         
        
          2878 [19:04:27] <yaymuffins> seem like it's disconnecting LAN
            completely
           
         
        
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          2881 [19:04:59] <teraflops> yeah because I guess you have not a
            default route after doing the bridge-start
           
         
        
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          2888 [19:07:48] <yaymuffins> that's my route before the
            script
           
         
        
          2889 [19:07:50] <yaymuffins>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2895 [19:09:00] <teraflops> and after the script?
           
         
        
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          2899 [19:10:13] <teraflops> also which is the br iface there?
           
         
        
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          2903 [19:11:16] <yaymuffins> 2 sec, rebooted as it acted
            differently then
           
         
        
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          2906 [19:12:55] <teraflops> yaymuffins: this is mine with openvn
            in bridge mode
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2909 [19:13:33] <yaymuffins> and for some reason right now, it
            seem to work?!
           
         
        
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          2915 [19:15:33] <teraflops> for quick and dirty test try appending
            the default route you had to to bottom of bridge-start.sh e.g (here)
            route add default gw 192.168.199.1. if that works you kno you have
            to deal with your routes
           
         
        
          2916 [19:15:41] <teraflops> to the*  
         
        
          2917 [19:16:19] <teraflops> I have a cat to feed im out for few
            minutes :P
           
         
        
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          2923 [19:19:17] <yaymuffins> LAN work, WAN seem to work too
           
         
        
          2924 [19:19:24] <yaymuffins> Bind9 died however.
           
         
        
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          2930 [19:22:17] <teraflops> yaymuffins: well that's not bad,
            you only have to fix bind9 then
           
         
        
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          2938 [19:25:53] <Mikerhinos> hi all, new to Debian (coming from
            Ubuntu). I'm installing Nvidia driver (pretty complicated
            compared to Ubuntu :( ), if I want to use Steam I do have to do
            svn-buildpackage --svn-ignore --svn-arch=i386 -us -uc -rfakeroot ?
            Because the doc isn't very clear if it will install only the
            needed files or the full 32bits driver
           
         
        
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          2942 [19:27:19] <missmbob> !steam  
         
        
          2943 [19:27:19] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and
            management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged
            in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable
            <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with
            upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net.
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          2944 [19:27:27] <missmbob> yeah, no svn reference there
           
         
        
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          2947 [19:28:22] <yaymuffins> I have to leave for now, well, at
            least, I still have network for now x)
           
         
        
          2948 [19:28:22] <yaymuffins> and I spoke too fast
           
         
        
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          2950 [19:28:54] <yaymuffins> once openvpn was started, loose all
            connectivity (LAN and WAN) on others machines.
           
         
        
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          2952 [19:29:36] <Mikerhinos> missmbob, So it's safe to go
            with the doc command ? Don't want to mess driver installation
            and reboot on a TTY console lol
           
         
        
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          2954 [19:30:06] <missmbob> Mikerhinos: if there's a page on
            wiki.debian.org on something *always* use that
           
         
        
          2955 [19:30:11] <leba2> In general, if dual-booting with windows,
            is it recommended to better set windows's system clock to UTC
            instead of Linux to local?
           
         
        
          2956 [19:30:23] <Ghostbird> Mikerhinos: What do you mean a
            complicated process compared to Ubuntu?
           
         
        
          2957 [19:30:23] <Ghostbird> Enable non-free repositories, (you
            could've done this during installation when asked, if you knew
            you wanted Steam & NVIDIA)
           
         
        
          2958 [19:30:23] <Ghostbird> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
           
         
        
          2959 [19:30:23] <Ghostbird> sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver
            steam
           
         
        
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          2961 [19:30:29] <missmbob> Mikerhinos: you get in trouble on
            debian when you fuck around with other docs
           
         
        
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          2966 [19:31:29] <greycat> leba2: If you *can* set windows to UTC,
            why would you not do that? It's just so blatantly, obviously
            better. We had the option in the past because Windows
            *couldn't* do the right thing.
           
         
        
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          2969 [19:33:00] <teraflops> yaymuffins: idk about your network..
            and you didn't describe it. you'll have to addapt that
            script to your situation obviously.
           
         
        
          2970 [19:33:02] <Mikerhinos> Ghostbird, On Ubuntu you have a
            "additionnal driver" window, it scans your hardware, and
            if you have an Nvidia graphic card, you only have to check like
            "install proprietary driver", and it does all
            automatically
           
         
        
          2971 [19:33:11] <leba2> greycat: aaaahhh. Thanks. And yes, I read
            windows could not do it the right way prior to windows 7.
           
         
        
          2972 [19:33:41] <greycat> ghostbird hasn't rejoined yet
           
         
        
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          2978 [19:36:02] <ctmjr> Mikerhinos: here steam is easy on debian
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2983 [19:37:58] <leba2> Was ghostbir's really flooding?
           
         
        
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          2989 [19:40:56] <missmbob> leba2: policy is you're not
            supposed to do more than two lines. he did a few. /msg dpkg paste
           
         
        
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          2992 [19:41:44] <missmbob> leba2: also /msg dpkg enter
           
         
        
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          2996 [19:42:17] <Flippylosaurus> test  
         
        
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          3000 [19:42:59] <Flippylosaurus> testing testing 123
           
         
        
          3001 [19:43:08] <Flippylosaurus> seems that my connection is
            broken
           
         
        
          3002 [19:43:08] <Flippylosaurus> rip  
         
        
          3003 [19:43:20] <missmbob> Flippylosaurus: /msg dpkg if you want
            to test. don't flood us
           
         
        
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          3007 [19:44:28] <Flippylosaurus> missmbob: thank you
           
         
        
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          3042 [19:56:07] <mutante> after converting an Ubuntu system to
            jessie, i am missing a package for chromium-browser ..hmm
           
         
        
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          3045 [19:56:46] <mtn> mutante: how did you "convert"
            ubuntu to debian?
           
         
        
          3046 [19:56:48] <missmbob> there is no "converting"
           
         
        
          3047 [19:56:48] <greycat> "converting"
           
         
        
          3048 [19:56:59] <missmbob> and yes, debian uses chromium, not
            chrome
           
         
        
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          3051 [19:57:14] <greycat> you can also get google-chrome from a
            google repository if you prefer
           
         
        
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          3053 [19:57:24] <mutante> i used the word converting because i
            reinstalled but applied the same puppet classes
           
         
        
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          3056 [19:57:50] <missmbob> !tell mutante about chromium
           
         
        
          3057 [19:57:55] <mutante> thanks  
         
        
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          3061 [19:58:33] <mutante> missmbob: ok, but it says chromium is
            what's missing
           
         
        
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          3065 [19:59:32] <croddy> mutante then there is probably a bug in
            your puppet class. i can take a quick look if you want to discuss it
            in #puppet
           
         
        
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          3069 [20:00:00] <mutante> croddy: it's just that "E:
            Package 'chromium-browser' has no installation
            candidate"
           
         
        
          3070 [20:00:14] <missmbob> yes. it's called chromium
           
         
        
          3071 [20:00:17] <missmbob> ,v chromium  
         
        
          3072 [20:00:18] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze:
            0.9.14.1-2; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy:
            37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 50.0.2661.94-1~deb8u1;
            jessie-proposed-updates: 51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
            51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; sid: 51.0.2704.79-1; stretch: 51.0.2704.79-1
           
         
        
          3073 [20:00:30] <croddy> if you are not going to read the link
            that dpkg messaged you then i rescind my offer
           
         
        
          3074 [20:00:33] <mutante> oh :) that was easy
           
         
        
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          3080 [20:02:45] <mutante> yes, thanks. i read the wiki page
            (sheehs, that was all within the same minute)
           
         
        
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          3082 [20:03:42] <mtn> heh  
         
        
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          3086 [20:04:44] <awal1> How to list manually installed pkgs? I
            know I can check apt logs, but wondering if I can make dpkg
            --get-selections or apt/aptitude show only manual installs
           
         
        
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          3090 [20:05:09] <greycat> awal1: dpkg -l  
         
        
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          3095 [20:08:12] <awal1> greycat, yeah I know about dpkg -l but the
            output is similar to --get-selections. My idea is make dpkg or any
            other system packaging tool list installed pkgs filtering them by
            automatically installed and manually installed
           
         
        
          3096 [20:08:42] <greycat> oh, you'd need aptitude for that
            probably
           
         
        
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          3110 [20:12:58] <Elvano> Hey lot. I'm currently trying to
            reinstalling Debian on my laptop. I wanted to encrypt my disk but as
            I selected an encrypted volume I accidently forgot to reserve some
            space for my boot partition. Is there a way, from the installer, to
            remove the encrypted volume?
           
         
        
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          3113 [20:15:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, if you see none and have it
            in front of you...
           
         
        
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          3116 [20:15:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can always drop out to a
            shell and do stuff
           
         
        
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          3118 [20:16:49] <Elvano> I'm sorry, I didn't quite get
            that
           
         
        
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          3122 [20:19:20] <croddy> the partitioner in the installer has a
            way to discard the changes and start over.
           
         
        
          3123 [20:19:24] <missmbob> you'd probably already be done if
            you had just started over
           
         
        
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          3127 [20:21:38] <Elvano> That would help if it were a partition
           
         
        
          3128 [20:22:26] <Elvano> But I think I'll have to use the lvm
            tools from the shell for this then
           
         
        
          3129 [20:22:37] <missmbob> i'm not even going to pretend that
            made sense
           
         
        
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          3135 [20:25:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's interesting the
            installer lets you have an encrypted lvm without an unencrypted
            /boot
           
         
        
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          3138 [20:26:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> some guy claimed he didn't
            have an unencrypted /boot... I can't imagine how that would be
            supposed to work
           
         
        
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          3143 [20:28:11] <missmbob> CutMeOwnThroat: it's possible
            it's a just a serious pain in the ass.
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3145 [20:28:36] <missmbob> CutMeOwnThroat: and pointless imo
           
         
        
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          3151 [20:31:17] <DammitJim> do you guys know if there is an easy
            way to set up exim to only send emails to certain domains and email
            addresses?
           
         
        
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          3154 [20:31:24] <DexterF> hi  
         
        
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          3162 [20:33:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm. interesting
           
         
        
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          3165 [20:33:48] <jhutchins> CutMeOwnThroat: encrypted root
            requires that grub/initrd have the ability to decrypt.
           
         
        
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          3167 [20:33:57] <DexterF> smartctl reports for one SSD "total
            LBA written 1447823829" - how much is 1 LB? the drive's
            block size? how to tell?
           
         
        
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          3170 [20:34:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, but they can
           
         
        
          3171 [20:34:23] <itaipu> sad thing this bug:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3172 [20:34:24] <judd> Bug
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3173 [20:34:28] <itaipu> in strecht ?  
         
        
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          3175 [20:34:52] <missmbob> itaipu: see /topic. stretch support is
            in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, not here.
           
         
        
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          3177 [20:35:37] <jhutchins> missmbob: We do support testing and
            even unstable here, there's just not as much expertise.
           
         
        
          3178 [20:35:59] <jhutchins> missmbob: Many of the people here
            don't run them, whereas most in D-N do.
           
         
        
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          3180 [20:36:06] <missmbob> yeah, like we support bash but still
            point people to #bash. best place for help is useful
           
         
        
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          3185 [20:36:40] <missmbob> jhutchins: i'm not sure why you
            felt the need
           
         
        
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          3188 [20:37:48] <itaipu> missmbob: cannot join it. Have to have an
            invatation
           
         
        
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          3190 [20:38:05] <missmbob> itaipu: because you didn't read it
            carefully. irc.oftc.net. you're on freenode right now
           
         
        
          3191 [20:38:07] <jhutchins> itaipu: It's on
            oftc.net/irc.debian.net
           
         
        
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          3194 [20:38:35] <itaipu> hum... thks  
         
        
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          3206 [20:41:47] <awal1> About apt-mark showauto/showmanual in man
            apt-mark I see "All automatically installed packages will be
            listed if no package is given." So apt-mark showauto/showmanual
            works and the list is so long :P But I dont understand "if no
            package is given" part.
           
         
        
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          3209 [20:42:09] <greycat> Seems pretty clear.
           
         
        
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          3214 [20:42:30] <awal1> apt-mark showauto xfce4 returns 0 output
           
         
        
          3215 [20:42:38] <greycat> because it wasn't in the list
           
         
        
          3216 [20:42:52] <greycat> now try with something that's IN
            the list
           
         
        
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          3222 [20:44:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> I can foresee the next 100
            questions... like ... xterm is on my list
           
         
        
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          3224 [20:45:13] <greycat> Mine too, and that's the same one I
            tested.
           
         
        
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          3228 [20:47:13] <awal1> greycat, I dont understand how it works.
            apt-mark showmanual lists mate-desktop-environment, for example, but
            how I can check which pkgs mate-desktop-environment have installed
            automatically. I only want that (example)
           
         
        
          3229 [20:47:41] <greycat> How would I know? You're the one
            who found apt-mark. I've never even heard of it.
           
         
        
          3230 [20:47:53] <awal1> :D  
         
        
          3231 [20:47:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> hehe... same here
           
         
        
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          3233 [20:48:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> actually... that question is
            wrong
           
         
        
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          3235 [20:48:38] <greycat> I suspect you're looking for
            information that *does not get stored*. Information about events in
            the past.
           
         
        
          3236 [20:48:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, apt-cache rdepends
            <package>
           
         
        
          3237 [20:49:07] <greycat> Each package that is installed *right
            now* is marked as either "manual" or
            "automatic". No hierarchy, no relation graphs....
           
         
        
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          3239 [20:49:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, *I* think he wants to know
            the reason why that package is present/installed and can't be
            removed with autoremove
           
         
        
          3240 [20:49:50] <greycat> If A depends on B and A is currently
            installed and marked manual, and B is currently installed and marked
            automatic, you don't whether B was brought in because of A or
            because of Q.
           
         
        
          3241 [20:50:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> so maybe you make clearer what
            you want to know
           
         
        
          3242 [20:50:16] <missmbob> god i hate Q  
         
        
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          3246 [20:51:42] <awal1> the last greycat message is the current
            "problem"
           
         
        
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          3248 [20:51:50] <zifxify> Little guide which I wrote how to
            install debian jessie (lvm on luks) from a debian-standard iso:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3249 [20:52:06] <zifxify> actually stretch
           
         
        
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          3252 [20:52:16] <missmbob> ugh.  
         
        
          3253 [20:52:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, why is that a problem
           
         
        
          3254 [20:52:37] <awal1> CutMeOwnThroat, my questions are almost
            related to removals
           
         
        
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          3257 [20:53:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, what is it?
           
         
        
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          3259 [20:54:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can see where/why an
            automatically installed package was installed in the apt or aptitude
            and in the dpkg logs
           
         
        
          3260 [20:54:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> but what's the point
           
         
        
          3261 [20:54:26] <awal1> so bcoz I usually no install recommends
            & suggests but when pkg C is installed by pkg B as dependencie
            and recommended by pkg A, if you remove pkg B, pkg C still there
            bcoz A recommends it :P
           
         
        
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          3263 [20:55:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> and then you do an apt-get
            autoremove and they're all gone
           
         
        
          3264 [20:55:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> so?  
         
        
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          3267 [20:55:47] <awal1> C doesn't go bcoz in fact A
            recommends it
           
         
        
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          3271 [20:58:19] <awal1> C installed by B as dependency apt wont
            consider it when autoremoving bcoz originally A recommends it
           
         
        
          3272 [20:58:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> not if you have disabled them
            permanently
           
         
        
          3273 [20:58:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> although I can't say I
            tested that
           
         
        
          3274 [20:58:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg apt-recommends
           
         
        
          3275 [20:58:38] <dpkg> Packages required in all but unusual cases
            (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called
            "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages,
            you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once,
            "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get
            --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable
            permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" >
            /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
           
         
        
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          3305 [21:09:54] <awal1> Resuming "If A depends on B and A is
            currently installed and marked manual, and B is currently installed
            and marked automatic, you don't whether B was brought in
            because of A or because of Q." as greycat said is a nice
            deduction. thats my current problem. Anyway, thanks for your time
            guys. No problems here, just trying to learn & understand debian
            packaging system/tools...
           
         
        
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          3318 [21:14:55] <zifxify> Check out this site for customizing
            GUI's:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3319 [21:15:32] <missmbob> zifxify: why do you just keep pasting
            shit?
           
         
        
          3320 [21:15:47] <zifxify> missmbob: maybe useful
           
         
        
          3321 [21:15:51] <zifxify> ?  
         
        
          3322 [21:15:55] <missmbob> zifxify: no one asked. that's spam
           
         
        
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          3327 [21:16:15] <missmbob> zifxify: if you want go to
            #debian-offtopic
           
         
        
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          3341 [21:21:00] <CuteMeOwnThroat> why would I get "No route
            to host" to my work pc at uni (traceroute showing only a
            response from localhost) while I can connect to another host at the
            same university without problems
           
         
        
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          3344 [21:22:08] <jhutchins> Isn't there a rule that UIDs
            above a certain value can't open lower-numberd ports (like 80)?
           
         
        
          3345 [21:22:24] <greycat> those values are 0 and 1024
           
         
        
          3346 [21:22:28] <croddy> :)  
         
        
          3347 [21:22:37] <greycat> unless you change things in this crazy
            linux-only capacity stuff
           
         
        
          3348 [21:22:57] <greycat> an equally sensible strategy is to
            IGNORE that and just treat linux like unix
           
         
        
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          3364 [21:30:20] <dka> I am tryin to tar all the folders from a
            folder by giving to the tar command the -C arguments (change working
            directory), however, this work if I add after a folder name but
            doesn't if I had "." or * at the end of the tar
            command. Any suggestion?
           
         
        
          3365 [21:30:32] <greycat> Don't crosspost your question to
            multiple channels.
           
         
        
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          3368 [21:31:14] <dka> ok :|  
         
        
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          3424 [22:00:45] <Neon> I've run a dist-upgrade from Wheezy to
            Jessie on my dedicated server and everything went fine. Then I
            rebooted and then I couldn't connect via SSH to the server
            anymore. I activated a rescue console and have access to my drives
            now. But actually, I'm pretty lost. Can you help me
            troubleshooting?
           
         
        
          3425 [22:01:24] <Neon> I mean I have no idea where I should search
            for what.
           
         
        
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          3428 [22:02:03] <mutante> Neon: when you could not connect via
            ssh, what was that like? was there an error message or did it just
            timeout
           
         
        
          3429 [22:02:21] <Neon> mutante: Timeout.  
         
        
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          3431 [22:02:48] <Neon> So probably the SSH service didn't
            start properly?!
           
         
        
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          3433 [22:03:18] <mutante> Neon: i would try looking at
            /var/log/syslog and then try to find the moment when it stopped
            working
           
         
        
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          3436 [22:03:56] <mutante> Neon: like you will see when it rebooted
            and then follow the messages from there
           
         
        
          3437 [22:04:03] <mutante> Neon: also "dmesg"
           
         
        
          3438 [22:04:04] <greycat> No, if ssh didn't *start* but
            everything else were normal, you would get connection refused. NOT a
            timeout.
           
         
        
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          3454 [22:09:24] <multilingual> i have installed jessie, lightdm
            and MATE on my computer and i use it in english. i will share the
            computer with 3 other people. Each one of them speak only their own
            native language (spanish, french and portuguese). i want those users
            to use the graphical user interface and all its applications in
            their respective language. How can this be done?
           
         
        
          3455 [22:09:26] <Neon> At least I cannot find any line with
            "error" in it in the syslog (and the right timestamp)
           
         
        
          3456 [22:09:45] <Neon> mutante: Wouldn't I need the original
            system up for dmesg?
           
         
        
          3457 [22:10:04] <greycat> Use dpkg-reconfigure locales to build
            the locales you want, and then set up accounts for each user and
            configure each account for the right locale.
           
         
        
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          3459 [22:11:02] <mutante> Neon: oh yea, that's right. try
            /var/log/boot.log maybe
           
         
        
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          3461 [22:11:35] <multilingual> greycat, with dpkg-reconfigure
            locales i built the locales i want but how can i configure each
            account for the right locale?
           
         
        
          3462 [22:11:42] <jhutchins> multilingual: I'm pretty sure the
            greeter/login manager will be the same for all three, not sure how
            you do multi-language on that.
           
         
        
          3463 [22:11:43] <Elirips> hello. With ls -ls /tmp/foo I see the
            permissions of the content of /tmp/foo, but what if I would like to
            have only permissions of /tmp/foo ? If I do 'ls -lh /tmp/'
            I have to scroll / grep to find 'foo'.
           
         
        
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          3465 [22:11:47] <Neon> mutante: Don't have such a file.
           
         
        
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          3468 [22:12:23] <greycat> Can't you CLICK on something to
            configure the users' sessions? Failing that, put their
            LANG=whatever into whichever dot file is appropriate for whatever
            GUI you're using.
           
         
        
          3469 [22:12:41] <jhutchins> Neon: Neon /var/log/dmesg(.*) might
            exist.
           
         
        
          3470 [22:12:52] <jhutchins> !bootlog  
         
        
          3471 [22:12:52] <dpkg> bootlogd is used to record boot messages to
            /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases,
            install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0
            "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils
            package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable.
           
         
        
          3472 [22:13:05] <jhutchins> However, we now have systemd which
            does something different.
           
         
        
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          3474 [22:13:49] <mutante> Neon: what kind of rescue console is
            this? can you use it to watch the console output while you boot the
            machine?
           
         
        
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          3479 [22:15:14] <Neon> mutante: I don't know. I think
            it's just a bootable image with a mini linux. My hoster's
            wiki mainly tells me to examine my drives with it. So I think I can
            just reboot the server to get the normal system running again.
           
         
        
          3480 [22:15:48] <Neon> Here's the link, if you'd like to
            have a look:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3483 [22:17:19] <Neon> I have a /var/log/dmesg. What should I look
            for?
           
         
        
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          3486 [22:17:53] <multilingual> greycat, can you please tell me
            step by step what i have to do to configure each account for the
            right locale?
           
         
        
          3487 [22:17:54] <Neon> mutante: I could manually set up a service
            that monitores log output from boot on.
           
         
        
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          3489 [22:18:09] <mutante> Neon: ok, yea, you cant do that then.
            but you could if you'd have their other product that links to.
            the LARA console
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3491 [22:18:13] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yeah, I think that's just
            an image on a ramdisk or so.. faintly remember using it once
           
         
        
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          3493 [22:18:32] <greycat> multilingual: No, I literally
            can't, because I don't use MATE. I don't know where
            or how you configure such a thing in MATE.
           
         
        
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          3496 [22:19:12] <mutante> Neon: maybe pastebin the dmesg log there
           
         
        
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          3498 [22:20:44] <multilingual> greycat, are you more or less
            fluent in any of the languages i mentioned, apart from english
            obviously?
           
         
        
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          3500 [22:21:11] <greycat> no  
         
        
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          3502 [22:22:31] <Neon> mutante:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3505 [22:24:00] <CuteMeOwnThroat> multilingual, setting LANG in
            the respecive user's .profile or .bashrc doesn't do the
            trick?
           
         
        
          3506 [22:24:22] <multilingual> CuteMeOwnThroat, will try that out.
            thanks
           
         
        
          3507 [22:24:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I am not sure if a shell is
            involved early enough, though
           
         
        
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          3509 [22:24:46] <mutante> Neon: the problem is at the end . eth0:
            link down .. well. that could be broken cable but since you said it
            happened after upgrade ...
           
         
        
          3510 [22:25:02] <Neon> Missing driver? :{  
         
        
          3511 [22:25:05] <CuteMeOwnThroat> for the whole graphical
            interface to switch... just look around in "settings"?
           
         
        
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          3514 [22:25:45] <greycat> CuteMeOwnThroat: I would expect
            you'd want to use ~/.xsession or ~/.gnomerc instead of a shell
            file.
           
         
        
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          3516 [22:26:03] <greycat> CuteMeOwnThroat: whatever the hell
            lightdm and/or MATE use... figuring that out is the hard part.
           
         
        
          3517 [22:26:05] <mutante> Neon: eth0: RTL8168e/8111e there you
            have the chipset name to start with
           
         
        
          3518 [22:26:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yeah, maybe. I had just hoped a
            shell is used to parse a script some time early on
           
         
        
          3519 [22:26:21] <mutante> Neon: unfortunately Realtek has not the
            best reputation
           
         
        
          3520 [22:27:07] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and I have some faint
            unflattering memories of .xsession and .xinitrc
           
         
        
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          3522 [22:27:52] <mutante> Neon: i think you need to install the
            firmware and that would fix it
           
         
        
          3523 [22:28:14] <mutante> Neon: but: firmware: agent loaded
            rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw into memory and then it fails.. so yea
           
         
        
          3524 [22:28:17] * greycat continues not having installed, researched, or
            reverse-engineered any of MATE, Gnome3, KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE, and
            whatever the hell else we need to know how to configure years ago
            but still don't know
           
         
        
          3525 [22:28:49] <mutante> Neon: try searching the bug database for
            that rtl8168e maybe .. sorry. not sure what's going on there
           
         
        
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          3528 [22:29:25] <mutante> Neon: or maybe send a mail to hetzner
            support with that log attached
           
         
        
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          3531 [22:29:58] <jil> Hi all  
         
        
          3532 [22:30:45] <tulphoon> hi  
         
        
          3533 [22:30:49] <jil> I just instaled debian jessie with KDE and
            I'm not able to use any icon theme different than default one.
            Can someone help me ?
           
         
        
          3534 [22:31:11] <CuteMeOwnThroat> greycat, ratpoison?
           
         
        
          3535 [22:31:50] <greycat> Don't recall seeing a lot of
            questions on that one....
           
         
        
          3536 [22:32:04] <jil> all icon themes i tried to install are not
            present in the icon theme list
           
         
        
          3537 [22:32:29] <dka> I am trying to preserve ownership on tar
            uncompression. Is there any way to do so ? I have tried with
            "-xpzf --same-owner", I still all the files extracted for
            root user
           
         
        
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          3541 [22:33:39] <greycat> dka: are you doing it on a Windows file
            system that doesn't *have* a concept of UIDs?
           
         
        
          3542 [22:33:51] <Neon> mutante: I found something, but I
            don't really have the knowledge to understand it. A user writes
            that he got around the issue by doing a PXE boot instead of a HD
            boot.
           
         
        
          3543 [22:33:52] <dka> I am on linux, on an EXT3 filesystem
           
         
        
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          3545 [22:34:49] <mutante> Neon: i think that's different.
            your system already boots just wont bring up the network card
           
         
        
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          3547 [22:35:05] <Neon> mutante: His workaround is setting the boot
            order primarily on PXE, letting it timeout, then use the HD boot as
            secondary.
           
         
        
          3548 [22:35:20] <Neon> mutante: Nono, his did as well. He writes
            that his network didn't work after rebooting.
           
         
        
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          3550 [22:35:51] <Neon> He wrote the RX counter didn't
            increment, only TX, leading to networking failure.
           
         
        
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          3556 [22:36:33] <Neon> But he found out that the PXE boot
            procedure does something that makes the network card work, he
            doesn't know what, though.
           
         
        
          3557 [22:36:56] <Neon> My problem is I don't know what PXE
            boot is nor how to set up the boot priority.
           
         
        
          3558 [22:37:04] <mutante> Neon: well, you can just try it. you
            have the rescue console and nothing to "lose" currently
            since it's down already
           
         
        
          3559 [22:37:14] <Neon> I'd need to go into BIOS for that,
            wouldn't I?
           
         
        
          3560 [22:37:32] <mutante> yes  
         
        
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          3562 [22:37:57] <Neon> I can't do that remotely, can I?
           
         
        
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          3565 [22:38:26] <mutante> that's the other type of console
            again. that LARA console they let you upgrade to
           
         
        
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          3567 [22:38:45] <mutante> there you could hit F12 and stuff like
            when you are sitting in front of it
           
         
        
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          3569 [22:38:59] <Neon> Yeah, it's free for three hours, then
            they'd charge me.
           
         
        
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          3571 [22:39:41] <mutante> better than nothing, didnt know
           
         
        
          3572 [22:39:47] <Neon> That gives me a weird feeling. Maybe
            I'll ask the support first, if it's not fixable via recue
            system only.
           
         
        
          3573 [22:40:14] <mutante> yep, cant hurt to tell hetzner
           
         
        
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          3575 [22:40:48] <mutante> sounds like you might not be the only
            one
           
         
        
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          3589 [22:50:16] <SerajewelKS> is there a reason why vgdisplay
            doesn't display the group's allocation policy?
           
         
        
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          3591 [22:50:27] <SerajewelKS> the manpage doesn't indicate
            any way to get the policy to display in the output
           
         
        
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          3601 [22:56:54] <Neon> mutante: In case we won't talk to each
            other anymore in this session: Thank you very very much for your
            help. Without users like you I'd be in deep shit. I've
            sent a mesage to the hoster now and in case they
            won't/can't help me I'll try the LARA thing.
            I'll have to find out what exactly to do, though...
           
         
        
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          3609 [22:59:17] <mutante> Neon: you're welcome. good luck.
            what you can also try is get to see the grub screen during boot and
            try booting the non-default (older) kernel
           
         
        
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          3612 [23:00:01] <mutante> Neon: or editing grub config from your
            current rescue console maybe, to get the same thing
           
         
        
          3613 [23:00:09] <jil> I just instaled debian jessie with KDE and
            I'm not able to use any icon theme different than default one.
            Can someone help me ?
           
         
        
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          3630 [23:05:00] <awal1> Should I really consider 'lsat'
            suggestions?
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3632 [23:05:42] <kboratynski> What tool would you recommend me to
            have system-wide report? I mean: firewall configuration, runned
            services, processes, listening ports... so on?
           
         
        
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          3637 [23:07:27] <jil> I just instaled debian jessie with KDE and
            I'm not able to use any icon theme different than default one.
            Can someone help me ?
           
         
        
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          3651 [23:16:43] <leba2>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3656 [23:19:43] <awal1> jil, in kde system settings somewhere
            there there is a place for choose which icons you want to use
           
         
        
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          3658 [23:20:10] <teraflops> kbreplaced-url 
           
         
        
          3659 [23:20:14] <teraflops> oh  
         
        
          3660 [23:20:53] <jil> awal1, in system settings/application
            appareance/icons
           
         
        
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          3662 [23:21:17] <awal1> jil, there, I think so
           
         
        
          3663 [23:21:25] <jil> I tried to download icon set from the tool
            but icons set i installed are not shown
           
         
        
          3664 [23:21:31] <jil> I tried lot of them  
         
        
          3665 [23:21:33] <awal1> I dont use kde right now
           
         
        
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          3667 [23:22:05] <awal1> jil, you may have to relogin in your kde
            session
           
         
        
          3668 [23:22:10] <jil> now i try to install one of them manually
           
         
        
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          3670 [23:22:39] <jil> i installed these icons set yesterday I i
            rebooted since
           
         
        
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          3672 [23:22:58] <awal1> jil, oh, you are using kde system settings
            and download icons from kde websites?
           
         
        
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          3675 [23:24:17] <jil> I tried the system settings way to download
            icon set
           
         
        
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          3679 [23:24:40] <jil> but since it does seems to work, i'm
            trying to download and install one icon set manuelly
           
         
        
          3680 [23:24:57] <awal1> the is a #debian-kde
           
         
        
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          3682 [23:25:06] <awal1> you may get more help there
           
         
        
          3683 [23:25:24] <awal1> in OFTC server ^  
         
        
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          3688 [23:25:56] <awal1> there si ^:P  
         
        
          3689 [23:25:57] <awal1> is  
         
        
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          3693 [23:26:45] <jil> need irc client to get there?
           
         
        
          3694 [23:27:22] <awal1> how you are connected to freenode?
           
         
        
          3695 [23:27:28] <jil> from webui  
         
        
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          3697 [23:28:23] <missmbob>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3698 [23:28:38] <awal1> ^jil  
         
        
          3699 [23:28:40] <missmbob> btw you probably just need to log out
            and back in
           
         
        
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          3701 [23:28:54] <missmbob> but i don't use kde. *shrug*
           
         
        
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          3703 [23:29:42] <jil> thank you  
         
        
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          3708 [23:30:35] <jil> bye  
         
        
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          3726 [23:37:16] <jhutchins> Don't I recall that there's
            a certain UID above which you can't open ports below, what,
            1024 or something?
           
         
        
          3727 [23:37:24] <greycat> 0  
         
        
          3728 [23:37:38] <greycat> root can open (listen on) ports 1-1023
           
         
        
          3729 [23:37:38] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins: only root can, unless you
            grant the capability
           
         
        
          3730 [23:37:40] <greycat> nobody else can  
         
        
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          3733 [23:38:08] <greycat> 15:22 greycat> an equally sensible
            strategy is to IGNORE that and just treat linux like unix
           
         
        
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          3736 [23:38:58] <jhutchins> Ok, so apache as UID 33 has no special
            privileges that apache as UID 10052 has.
           
         
        
          3737 [23:39:13] <jhutchins> No more special.
           
         
        
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          3739 [23:39:37] <greycat> Debian uses
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3740 [23:39:39] <jhutchins> Keeping service accounts below a
            certain number is just for neatness.
           
         
        
          3741 [23:39:49] <jhutchins> greycat: Right. Apache is quicker to
            type.
           
         
        
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          3745 [23:40:31] <jhutchins> In any case, there would be no issue
            if the
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3749 [23:40:59] <jhutchins> ...assuming everything else was done
            correctly.
           
         
        
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          3755 [23:42:39] <Neon> mutante: Apparently a kernel upgrade should
            fix the error. If I'd only have known that before when I had
            apt-get access on the running system. :S Now I need to do it
            manually via the rescue system.
           
         
        
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          3761 [23:45:53] <miesco> ,v ykpersonalize  
         
        
          3762 [23:45:54] <judd> No package named 'ykpersonalize'
            was found in amd64.
           
         
        
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          3766 [23:46:54] <miesco> ,v yubikey-personalization
           
         
        
          3767 [23:46:55] <judd> Package: yubikey-personalization on amd64
            -- squeeze: 1.3.2-1squeeze1; wheezy: 1.7.0-1; jessie: 1.16.0-1;
            stretch: 1.17.2-1+b2; sid: 1.17.2-1+b2
           
         
        
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          3771 [23:47:23] <missmbob> miesco: you can /msg judd btw
           
         
        
          3772 [23:47:28] <miesco> Does anyone get "insuffient
            permissions" on a new yubikey with 'ykinfo -v'?
           
         
        
          3773 [23:47:43] <miesco> missmbob: Oh I see. I was trying to /msg
            dpkg
           
         
        
          3774 [23:48:29] <miesco> Oh it must be udev permissions?
           
         
        
          3775 [23:48:46] <mutante> Neon: upgrade or .. downgrade though
           
         
        
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          3777 [23:49:03] <miesco> Oh I see, run as root...
           
         
        
          3778 [23:49:12] <mutante> Neon: but good that you got a reply :)
           
         
        
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          3785 [23:52:08] <Neon> mutante: I had a look at the grub config.
            The menu entries have 3.16.0-4-amd64 and 3.2.0-4-amd64. I assumed
            the 3.16 entry came with Jessie.
           
         
        
          3786 [23:52:28] <Neon> Isn't that the current stable kernel?
           
         
        
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          3790 [23:53:17] <missmbob> stable is 3.16...unless you're
            using backports. that's 4.6
           
         
        
          3791 [23:53:18] <mutante> Neon: not sure, but try "the other
            one"
           
         
        
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          3794 [23:53:55] <Kobaz> the wireless at this motel is tehsux
           
         
        
          3795 [23:53:58] <Neon> I found out that I could set GRUB_DEFAULT
            to my older one, but then I'd have to remake the grub.cfg and
            that's a problem from the rescue system, isn't it? Any
            idea how I can hack it into the grub.cfg (for once)?
           
         
        
          3796 [23:54:00] <Kobaz> can't get wpa to sync up
           
         
        
          3797 [23:54:07] <SerajewelKS> today i learned why it's a bad
            idea to blindly remove safety measures from my LVM configuration
            that past me put in place for a good reason
           
         
        
          3798 [23:54:43] <Neon> GRUB_DEFAULT doesn't appear to be in
            the grub.cfg so it must be processed by grub-mkconfig somehow.
           
         
        
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          3800 [23:54:50] <mutante> Neon: is there no
            "update-grub" command?
           
         
        
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          3802 [23:55:10] <SerajewelKS> the short story is that i extended
            the / lv into a pv that was encrypted with a key stored somewhere in
            /
           
         
        
          3803 [23:55:48] <teraflops> Neon: because you do not edit grub.cfg
            by hand, you edit /etc/default/grub
           
         
        
          3804 [23:55:53] <SerajewelKS> if i'd thought for two seconds
            i would've realized why that's a bad idea and why i set
            the allocation policy for / to cling
           
         
        
          3805 [23:56:04] <Neon> mutante: The manpage says it's just an
            alias for grub-mkconfig with a default -o option set. The problem is
            here that I cannot tell grub-mkconfig where to take the config from,
            can I? Or should I just temporarily replace the /etc/default/grub of
            the rescue system?
           
         
        
          3806 [23:56:20] <Neon> The one from my original system currently
            resides at /mnt/etc/default/grub
           
         
        
          3807 [23:56:49] <mutante> Neon: yea, i would think you tell it
            it's at /mnt/etc/default/grub
           
         
        
          3808 [23:57:06] <Neon> How? I checked the manpage and there seems
            to be no option.
           
         
        
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          3811 [23:57:33] <mutante> i dont know :/ just had to ask for grub2
            support myself the other day
           
         
        
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          3813 [23:58:19] <teraflops> Neon: the chroot
           
         
        
          3814 [23:58:21] <teraflops> then*  
         
        
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          3824 [23:59:55] <Neon> teraflops: :) I'll try that.
           
         
        
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