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1[00:00:24] <sine0> ok cool chaddy. Do I need to format the
usb first
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2[00:00:37] <fryguy> no
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3[00:00:45] <zykotick9> sine0: NO, it will over write
everything.
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4[00:00:45] <chaddy> sine0: no, dd will blast it down to the
foundations
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11[00:03:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> vic, this is different... you
don't copy it on the filesystem on the stick, you copy it to
the raw device... windows has no raw devices exposed like that
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14[00:04:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> sine0, make sure you don't
write to the wrong device
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19[00:06:20] <sine0> hehe
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20[00:06:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, no kidding
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21[00:06:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> if it's gone, it's gone
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22[00:07:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> …and only your backups
remain
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25[00:09:01] <sine0> when using dd for a 600mb file, isnt it a
good idea to set the packetsize
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26[00:09:04] <sine0> or byte buffer thing
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27[00:09:14] <sine0> like one is quicker than the other if i
remember
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28[00:09:14] <TomTomTosch> just use cp.
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29[00:09:36] <TomTomTosch> cp is used in the official docs.
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33[00:11:23] <TomTomTosch>
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36[00:16:00] <miesco> How do I stop mpd from running by the
systeM? (I run as user)
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40[00:18:00] <TomTomTosch> if you don't want a service to
run on startup you can use systemctl disable mpd.service or
systemctl stop if you just want to stop it for now.
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44[00:20:50] <miesco> Is it normal to have like 7
dbus-launch's running?
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72[00:34:44] <miesco> ?
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98[00:49:09] <doebi> when is the chromium package going to be
updated?
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99[00:49:42] <doebi> i am waiting for a bugfix for more than
six weeks now.
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101[00:50:52] <TomTomTosch> ask google when the next chromium
version comes out?
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103[00:51:11] <x86iac> do you think they are just waiting for
you to raise real hell?
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104[00:51:33] <jelly> ,v chromium
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105[00:51:34] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.9.14.1-2; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 50.0.2661.94-1~deb8u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; stretch: 51.0.2704.79-1; sid: 51.0.2704.79-1
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110[00:53:17] <x86iac> turns out they are waiting for you to
post a youtube video of you yelling and screaming for the next
release ..
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111[00:53:25] <BaW> damn
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113[00:54:35] <jelly> TomTomTosch, upstream is at 51.0.2704.10
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114[00:54:39] <jelly> .106
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117[00:56:00] <jelly>
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120[00:57:12] <sine0> damn. changing the SSD 128GB in my new HP
laptop for a spare 500GB scsi will not work because there is no
connections for the harddrive and the SSD is smaller than the ram
slot! might as well be a usb drive ffs
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121[00:57:36] <sine0> now i will have to clonezilla the ssd with
windows 10 to keep my license
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122[00:57:43] <sine0> amirite
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147[01:15:21] <TomTomTosch> fine, i retract my statement and
change it to "as soon as the changes in upstream warrant a
version bump". which a few patches don't.
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154[01:17:12] <x86iac> TomTomTosch: to late ... i already edited
the video of trigglypuff to demand the new version ... and sent it
for you ;)
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155[01:17:34] <x86iac>
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165[01:21:34] <TomTomTosch> why the mockery? his question was
justified.
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171[01:23:16] <doebi> trolls be trolling
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175[01:27:02] <tom99> uh did TomTomTosch refer to himself in the
3rd person there? o_o
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176[01:27:25] <TomTomTosch> did he?
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179[01:29:07] <TomTomTosch> no, i did not refer to myself.
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182[01:30:08] <sl4v3> can anyone tell me how to enable anonymous
access to openldap?
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183[01:30:26] <sl4v3> i'm trying to get an answer to this,
but all i find are legacy solutions for when there's an actual
slapd.conf.
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192[01:35:32] <x86iac> self trolling?
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195[01:36:41] <x86iac> sl4v3: is this what you didn't want
in slapd.conf ? <who> ::= * | [anonymous | users | self |
dn[.<basic-style>]=<regex> |
dn.<scope-style>=<DN>]
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196[01:37:52] <x86iac> why don't you want to have a
slapd.conf?
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197[01:38:19] <sl4v3> x86iac: well, i guess that's the
"old" way. :)
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205[01:41:14] <sl4v3> x86iac: slapd configuration is just laid
out in /etc/ldap/slapd.d
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207[01:42:20] <x86iac> what is the 'new' way? do you
have a link
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209[01:44:18] <Neo> anyone know how to get ifup to do more
logging?
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211[01:44:32] <Neo> all I have in my syslog is: "ifup[505]:
RTNETLINK answers: File exists"
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212[01:44:43] <Neo> which is kinda ambiguous
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213[01:44:46] <sl4v3> x86iac: i have no idea. that's what
i'm trying to find out. at present, it seems to require
authentication.
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218[01:47:28] <x86iac> Neo: can you start the driver in
'debug' mode? it should go to /var/log/messages (i
compiled my driver in debug mode and it bombarded my
/var/log/messages)
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225[01:49:27] <Neo> x86iac: I think its a config issue, not a
driver issue. I've added scripts to my /etc/network/interfaces
file and I think that's what's causing me pain
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227[01:50:02] <x86iac> in your *syslog.conf file kern.*
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229[01:50:29] <Neo> AH wait I've got it 'ip -6 route
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230[01:50:52] <Neo> probably because my v6 tunnel gets started
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231[01:51:18] <x86iac> if all else fails bring up eth0 in
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232[01:51:41] <x86iac> i had to do that so eth0 would be up
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243[02:06:05] <vjacob> hi all. is there any way to check from
within linux (debian 8.5), whether or not a certain PCI(e) slot is
taken or not? I've looked at /proc and at lspci but none of
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245[02:06:54] <x86iac> lshw
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246[02:07:55] <mutante> vjacob: lspci -t shows a tree
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248[02:09:03] <vjacob> mutante, I've looked at that, but it
does not seem to give me the detail level, which I would like as in
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249[02:09:49] <mutante> vjacob: -t -vvv ? in my case i have some
lines like this:
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250[02:09:54] <mutante> +-1c.0-[02]--
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251[02:09:59] <mutante> is that a free slot?
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253[02:10:52] <vjacob> I also tried with -vv yeah, perhaps I
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254[02:11:30] <bazhang> dmidecode
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259[02:13:20] <vjacob> yeah, sorry, typoed
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262[02:16:55] <Winux> Hello
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263[02:16:57] <Winux> How can I close all other programs except
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265[02:18:15] <x86iac> thats a tough one - combo of wmctrl...
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268[02:19:10] <x86iac> or xdotool to move mouse to all
non-focused windows and click 'x' ;)
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273[02:21:41] <Winux> x86iac: I have both xdotool and wmctrl
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281[02:25:33] <x86iac> there is also xwininfo
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283[02:27:28] <Winux> x86iac: What does xwininfo do
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284[02:27:42] <x86iac> here is a good page for using xdotool to
figure out focused/active window
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287[02:28:29] <x86iac> the xprop one looks good too
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289[02:30:37] <Winux> x86iac: The focused window will always be
the same
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290[02:31:29] <x86iac> then easy to find the windows
numbers/names of the others
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291[02:31:38] <x86iac> wmctrl -c them
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294[02:32:54] <Winux> x86iac: I know the name of the focused
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301[02:40:09] <Neo> how does networking start exactly?
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304[02:41:39] <x86iac> start script called network
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305[02:41:53] <x86iac> it calls tons of other scripts
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313[02:47:27] <Neo> aye
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314[02:47:39] <Neo> there's a verbose flag in
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315[02:47:46] <Neo> wasn't aware of that
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317[02:48:02] <Neo> that explained everything that was happening
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319[02:50:12] <x86iac> networking or network?
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333[03:04:17] <Neo> /etc/init.d/networking
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397[03:58:06] <joe_____> Does the AllowUsers directive in
sshd_config, as well as allowing users, disallow everybody else even
if they have the appropriate keys set up?
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406[04:01:44] <Amun_Ra> mhm
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407[04:02:03] <rjsalts> joe_____: man sshd_config -> If
specified, login is allowed only for user names that match one of
the patterns. The allow/deny directives are processed in the
following order: DenyUsers, AllowUsers, DenyGroups, and finally
AllowGroups.
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408[04:02:07] <mutante> The pattern matching occurs in the
following order: DenyUsers,AllowUsers,DenyGroups,AllowGroups. Which
means that, for example, if you add a user to both entries
(AllowUsers and DenyUsers) this would result in the user being
denied no matter the order in which the rules appear in the config
script.
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411[04:02:44] <mutante> that sounds like you want "Deny
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413[04:03:00] <mutante> but then they would get denied
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414[04:03:48] <dumppy> I'm at the end of my roap and I know
i'm in the wrong place but I'm hoping someone can point me
somewhere. I'm trying to configure isc-dhcp-server to issue
IPv6 addresses on my network (already working with IPv4) and
I'm just getting nowhere. Has anyone gotten it to work or can
you suggest another channel to look for help.
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416[04:04:08] <Hello71> you probably don't want dhcpv6
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417[04:04:09] <rjsalts> AllowUsers is a whitelist, it denies
everyone else. Presumably if you had someone in Deny and Allow then
they'd be denied, but if you had nothing in Deny and entries in
Allow then only those in Allow would be able to log in
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419[04:04:20] <dumppy> Hello71: why do you say that?
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421[04:04:45] <Hello71> if you think you want it just because
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422[04:05:33] <mutante> dumppy: IPv6 uses something called
autoconf
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424[04:05:50] <dumppy> reason I was going to it is my ISP pushed
out an update to my modem witch is now issuing RA IPv6 IP's and
it's replacing my local DNS info with theirs so nothing is
getting resolved locally
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425[04:06:01] <Hello71> !xy
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426[04:06:01] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
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427[04:06:03] <Dagger> dumppy: unless you actually need DHCPv6
for some reason, I wouldn't bother. just use SLAAC
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428[04:06:04] <Hello71> !b1
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429[04:06:07] * Hello71 grumbles
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430[04:06:09] <snfgf> Does the AllowUser directive implicitly
disallow every user that isn't explicitly listed?
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431[04:06:16] <snfgf> for sshd_config
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432[04:06:16] <rjsalts> if you want to assign ip addresses to a
specific DUUID to a specific client
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433[04:06:29] <Hello71> <greybot> bashphorism 1: the
questioner's first description of the problem/question will be
misleading.
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434[04:06:34] <rjsalts> snfgf: see above it reads that way
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435[04:06:53] <Hello71> snfgf: how else would it work
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436[04:07:03] <Hello71> "allow these users... and also all
the other ones" ???
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437[04:07:13] <Dagger> dumppy: oh, well. in that case fix the
"modem" (which must clearly be a router)
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441[04:07:37] <dumppy> Dagger: correct, it's acting as the
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443[04:07:42] <Hello71> more accurately a "home gateway
solution"
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444[04:07:53] <Dagger> "solution"
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445[04:07:56] <rjsalts> snfgf: man sshd_config -> If
specified, login is allowed only for user names that match one of
the patterns. The allow/deny directives are processed in the
following order: DenyUsers, AllowUsers, DenyGroups, and finally
AllowGroups.
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446[04:07:57] <dumppy> only way I see around it is to bridge the
IP and configure my own router
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447[04:07:58] <Dagger> usually more the problem
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448[04:08:01] <Hello71> which usually does modem routing and
wifi all badly
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449[04:08:02] <x86iac> if you want the users to have specific
other options then use Match users
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450[04:08:16] <Dagger> yeah, stick it in bridge mode and use
your own router
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451[04:08:26] <Hello71> then it can only do modem badly
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454[04:08:42] <dumppy> Hello71: LOL Very true
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455[04:08:59] <dumppy> Just don't have the extra hardware
for it at the moment
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457[04:10:00] <dumppy> I know it's a pain in the butt but
figured maybe this might be the thing to light the fire under my ass
and learn IPv6
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458[04:10:10] <x86iac> rj-45 on cell phone and then use the
'modem'
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459[04:10:18] <dumppy> I just can't find anyone posting
anything online having anything working
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461[04:10:24] <rjsalts> dumppy: can you just block the RA in
iptables?
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462[04:10:41] <Dagger> v6 is mostly just v4 with more bits
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463[04:10:43] <rjsalts> dumppy: or on your modem/router
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464[04:10:45] <dumppy> that's a thought, it is one specific
ip
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465[04:10:59] <dumppy> I checked the modem / router no way to
disable it
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466[04:11:01] <dumppy> POS
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467[04:11:11] <mutante> dumppy:
replaced-url
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470[04:11:26] <mutante> dumppy: you can do "autoconf"
or stateless DHCP or stateful DHCP , see link above
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471[04:11:36] <Dagger> rjsalts: or just disable the DNS part on
the client
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472[04:11:36] <mutante> and the part "Which of these option
should be used is a subject of controversy in the networking
community. " heh
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473[04:11:52] <Dagger> which... hm. is probably done by rdnss on
most Debian systems
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474[04:11:56] <dumppy> checking link but I have tried to do
stateful DHCP without luck
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475[04:12:11] <Dagger> but if you have network-manager or
systemd-networkd then pff, you're on your own
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476[04:12:14] <rjsalts> looks like the problem is that the isp
is doing "stateless DHCP" for handing out caching
resolvers
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478[04:12:33] <mutante> systemd-networkd sounds scary
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481[04:13:18] <Dagger> or dhcpcd, I think that does funky stuff
too
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482[04:13:29] <dumppy> rjsalts: that's exactly what's
going on so I was hoping to over ride it with a stateful DHCP
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483[04:13:40] <dumppy> I'm going to read this artical and
check back in
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485[04:13:52] <dumppy> thanks for the advice everyone
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486[04:14:16] <rjsalts> dumppy: it sounds pretty weird that your
router would forward RAs from your isp no questions asked without
having some ipv6 support
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487[04:14:18] <Dagger> staeful DHCP only does addresses though,
not DNS servers
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491[04:15:16] <rjsalts> the RA for the ancillary info in
stateless dhcpv6 won't be blocked by the stateful dhcpv6?
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492[04:15:26] <Dagger> but I guess the DNS servers are probably
coming from the RAs, not DHCPv6. try running `rdisc6 eth0`
(it's in ndisc6) to see what's actually going on
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494[04:15:41] <x86iac> iptables doesn't block any dhcp ...
you need ebtables
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495[04:16:12] <rjsalts> x86iac: dhcpv6 is multicast isn't
it?
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498[04:17:23] <x86iac> yes
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499[04:17:26] <Dagger> rjsalts: ...let me just summarize v6
autoconf: routers send RAs which announce themselves to the network
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500[04:18:14] <Dagger> rjsalts: the RAs have 3 flags in them:
the "go ahead and just pick yourself an address" flag (aka
SLAAC), the "use stateful DHCPv6 to get an address" flag,
and the "use stateless DHCPv6 to get DNS/NTP/etc" flag
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502[04:18:29] <Dagger> rjsalts: these can be turned on in any
combination
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504[04:18:43] <dumppy> from what I understand Dagger is right
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506[04:18:57] <Dagger> also there's RDNSS which puts DNS
servers in RAs [which I think was a bad idea, this is what we have
stateless DHCPv6 for]
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508[04:19:13] <dumppy> I'm not sure on the POS modem /
router I have if I can switch the RA packet but I'm hoping it
might see the stateful DHCP and advertise that
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509[04:19:28] <Dagger> [I think RDNSS happened because there was
no simple stateless DHCPv6 server for Linux. all the stateless ones
were _also_ stateful servers and thus complicated]
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510[04:19:57] <Dagger> anyway, info from the various autoconfs
is just merged
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511[04:20:11] <Dagger> if SLAAC and DHCPv6 are enabled for
addresses... then you get two addresses, one from each
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512[04:20:12] <x86iac> Dagger: sorry i missed what you are
wanting to do.. could you repeat it
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514[04:20:33] <dumppy> Dagger: Sh*t
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515[04:20:49] <Dagger> and stateless DHCPv6 and stateful DHCPv6
can't override each other because they cover different things
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516[04:20:50] <dumppy> well not what I wanted to hear but it is
tottaly what I came here for
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520[04:21:19] <Dagger> (I will also explicitly point out that
DHCPv6 doesn't do routes, at all. those are done by RAs)
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521[04:21:19] <dumppy> from what I understand Stateful will
issue all info. IP, DNS, NTS
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522[04:21:24] <Dagger> x86iac: not me, dumppy
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525[04:22:37] <Dagger> dumppy: stateful does IP, stateless does
DNS/NTP/etc
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526[04:22:42] <dumppy> x86iac: Oh man. Long story short, my
sh*ty router / modem is issuing IPv6 DNS servers that are being used
localy over my local DNS
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528[04:23:17] <Dagger> dumppy: but you may instead (or as well)
be getting IP from SLAAC, and you may not even be doing stateless
DHCPv6
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529[04:23:26] <Dagger> tl;dr look at rdisc6 to see what the
router is offering
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530[04:23:30] <dumppy> My original plan was to implement a DHCP6
server to over power this and hopefully restore local DNS
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531[04:24:08] <mutante> dumppy: how many clients do you have in
your network?
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532[04:24:26] <mutante> dumppy: you could also just configure
all IPs static .. ?
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535[04:25:03] <dumppy> very true mutante, minimum 12 when
I'm not running extra virtuals
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536[04:25:15] <x86iac> for sure .. so static .. and better for
security if needed
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537[04:25:17] <Dagger> rather than static config all the things,
it'd make more sense to just disable automatic DNS config
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538[04:25:52] <Dagger> (...but it'd make even more sense to
just not use a router that you can't configure)
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539[04:26:39] <dumppy> I know you're right Dagger. Just
have to go buy a used PC to turn into my router / firewall now
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540[04:26:52] <dumppy> not sure runing a xen vm as a router is a
good idea
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542[04:27:48] <x86iac> 12 port switch and p233MHz -> great
router
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543[04:27:56] <Dagger> people do do that
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546[04:28:26] <Dagger> I use a Raspberry Pi instead (but
it's kinda slow)
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549[04:28:57] <Dagger> probably faster than a 233 MHz Intel
anything though
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550[04:29:06] <Dagger> and somewhat more easily ignored power
consumption
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552[04:29:40] <x86iac> 2 AAA batteries ? ;)
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555[04:32:06] <Dagger> that's more of a UPS than a power
supply
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557[04:33:58] <finchd> a xen vm would be much faster than a pi,
even more so if has pci passthrough of dedicated L2 switching
hardware
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560[04:34:55] <x86iac> exit
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561[04:35:02] <x86iac> cya
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562[04:35:04] <dvs> !exit
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563[04:35:04] <dpkg> /quit you fool!
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567[04:35:51] <Dagger> a Pi2/3 will likely max out their 100mbit
ethernet though
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568[04:36:04] <Dagger> which might be enough
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570[04:37:08] <neldogz> I have two 1TB disks in which I have
added a GPT partition type. I am going to use the entire disk and
set them in a RAID1 configuration. Do I need to create a partition
before creating the array? For example, can I just do this: sudo
mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2
/dev/sdc /dev/sdd
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572[04:38:12] <rudi_s> neldogz: You can use either the raw
device or partition on them for mdadm. Some people recommend using
partitions which are slightly smaller in size than the underlying
disks to be able to handle small differences in the disk sizes when
you change disks, but that shouldn't be necessary.
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574[04:38:36] <neldogz> rudi_s, thank you very much
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576[04:38:54] <rudi_s> If you use the device itself, the
partition table will be obviously destroyted.
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577[04:38:55] <rudi_s> np
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578[04:38:59] <rjsalts> neldogz: only limitation if you choose
to use raw devices is that you won't be able to boot from that
array
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580[04:39:31] <neldogz> rjsalts, ah, thanks for that! I wont be
booting from them so I am good
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582[04:39:53] <rudi_s> rjsalts: GRUB can boot directly from RAID
1.
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588[04:41:49] <rjsalts> rudi_s: sure, but isn't it going to
start destroying your raid metadata when you attempt to install the
first stage of the bootloader that lives in boot sector/legacy bios
gpt partition?
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593[04:45:26] <rudi_s> rjsalts: You're right that you
can't use the raw disc in this case, but need a partition. But
you can still put the /boot partition inside the raid which resides
on the disk.
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595[04:45:44] <rudi_s> So sda -> sda1 -> md0 -> boot,
root, etc. partitions
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596[04:45:58] * finchd thinks it works without issue, wasn't the
one that set it up though
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650[05:22:35] <MeatHammer> anyone have experience setting up ps4
controllers under debian?
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652[05:23:35] <MeatHammer> im using ds4drv but I keep getting
the error "Failed to create input device:
"/dev/uinput" cannot be opened for writing"
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673[05:38:18] <desktop> Hey
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674[05:38:20] <desktop> How can I programatically switch the
current Desktop from Desktop 1 to Desktop 2? I am using Raspbian
Jessie Linux latest version. Desktop Environment
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782[06:59:39] <cilkay> Hello. I'm creating a Debian
VirtualBox VM via a preseed install. I see an error flash by on the
Alt-F4 console. I'd like to direct that console to a file that
I can analyze after the first boot. There is nothing interesting in
syslog or dmesg on first boot, btw. How would I do capture what is
being sent to stdout on VT4?
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783[06:59:56] <cilkay> Hello. I'm creating a Debian
VirtualBox VM via a preseed install. I see an error flash by on the
Alt-F4 console. I'd like to direct that console to a file that
I can analyze after the first boot. There is nothing interesting in
syslog or dmesg on first boot, btw. How would I capture to a file
what is being sent to stdout on VT4?
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785[07:02:09] <Gryllida> random guess (I do not understand VMs,
and why it is in vt4): is it in /var/log/boot.log?
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789[07:05:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> but if the first run is booted
from an installer image, it won't write to the logfiles of the
system to install
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797[07:06:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe virtualbox has some
feature...
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799[07:07:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> like...
replaced-url
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806[07:11:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> like...
replaced-url
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841[07:30:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> ^^
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871[07:44:55] <cilkay> I found where the installer log is.
/var/log/installer/syslog I have everything I need there.
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879[07:48:40] <cilkay> Gryllida: The question really wasn't
specific to a VM. You'd see the same thing when you're
installing on bare metal. In VT1, you'll see the curses based
interface that shows a progress bar and messages giving you some
indication of what the installer is doing. In VT4, you'll see
much more detail.
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881[07:49:28] <cilkay> And first run isn't booted from the
installer image. I'm talking about first run after the
installer has completed.
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882[07:49:32] <Gryllida> ah, you mean logs from when you
install, not when you simply boot an already installed debian?
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883[07:49:38] <cilkay> Correct.
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884[07:49:50] <Gryllida> understood, thanks for good new info
and I'm glad you figured it out
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885[07:50:00] <cilkay> It's in /var/log/installer/syslog
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889[07:51:39] <cilkay> I have a shell script that I use to
create my own custom ISO and from that, I create a VirtualBox image,
which also works in VMWare, and a VHD for Hyper-V. Essentially,
I've created a VM image that has no external dependencies and
which can be configured via a web form provided by Django running in
the VM.
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891[07:53:11] <cilkay> Oh, and SaltStack is involved in all
this, too. The Django form saves to the db and also to a YAML file
that is being watched by inotify. On change, it kicks off a shell
script that wraps salt-call and Salt takes over to configure the
machine as per the key/value pairs in the YAML file.
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906[08:01:21] <mirazi_heket> i got issue on ssh connection,
anyone have ideas?
replaced-url
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1029[09:19:56] <xcmpg> Hello.Is it possible to give a shell which
is launched in a chroot enviroment via OpenSSHs ChrootDirectory
directive the capability CAP_DAC_OVERVRIDE (EIP) . I tried it via
pam_exec.so in /etc/pam/ssh (session requiered pam_exec.so stdout
path=/usr/local/sbin/wrapper.sh) . The wrapper shell script use
setpriv from util-linux to accomplish this task.But it didn't
work -:( .
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1068[09:49:19] <b6s3d> how do i make my dns permanent, and how do
i check if i am using dhcp, is dhcp good or bad ?
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1072[09:49:55] <petemc> !override dns
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1073[09:49:56] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified
nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server,
echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;"
>> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for
more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use
"prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or
remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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1075[09:50:38] <b6s3d> thanks!
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1086[09:54:14] <mirazi_heket> take a look please if you have time
(problem with ssh connection)
replaced-url
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1087[09:55:04] <b6s3d> do i have to remove resolvconf petemc?
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1089[09:56:01] <b6s3d> because it does not update to the right
one, but instead uses my local isp's dns
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1096[10:00:49] <b6s3d> petemc ^
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1103[10:04:30] <petemc> b6s3d: you shouldnt need the resolvconf
package
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1109[10:06:18] <b6s3d> resolvconf - u && cat
/etc/resolvconf # dosn't show what i entered in
/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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1121[10:10:22] <k_sze[work]> My eth0 and eth1 became eth2 and
eth3. What's the proper way to fix that.
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1129[10:12:58] <b6s3d> and now it shows the one i wanted, but
plus it shows the one i don't want it to show
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1179[10:41:37] <dka__> I have an "hostB" that need to
push with RSYNC to "hostA", the directory where backup are
stored are under "/backup", I need to send backups on
"hostA" at "hostA:/mnt/backup". I am trying to
choose the best way to authenticate. I guess it is RSA keys. Since
"hostB:/backup" is own by root:root and
"hostA:/mnt/backup" by root:root, the best strategy is to
create a User/Group so I can log in with that user and write into
that folder right ?
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1180[10:42:20] <dagerik> create backup user. add ssh keys. chown
to backup
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1181[10:42:29] <dagerik> disable password auth in sshd
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1182[10:43:08] <dka__> dagerik, backup user for both hosts ?
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1184[10:43:20] <dka__> Do I create a group ? should I use fixed
uuid/guid ?
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1197[10:50:52] <dka__> dagerik, the backup already exist by
default on Debian 8, should I use this one ?
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1199[10:51:39] <dagerik> only one machine needs a user backup
with public key
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1200[10:52:00] <dagerik> it is best if backup machines reaches
out to everything else
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1201[10:52:11] <dka__> dagerik, I know how works key, however,
there is by default on Debian Jessie a user backup with
"backup:x:34:34:backup:/var/backups:/usr/sbin/nologin", I
guess I can use that one.
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1202[10:52:27] <dka__> That's exactly what I am doing but
thanks.
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1204[10:53:18] <dka__> I wonder where I should store my public
key on my backup host and private key on my app host, there is no
/home/backup directory
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1205[10:53:38] <dagerik> google for debian backup user. it has a
purpose
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1212[10:57:47] <dka__>
replaced-url
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1213[10:58:03] <dka__> seems to look fine for use dagerik , can
you answer my question please :]
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1216[10:59:30] <dagerik> public key goes in
~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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1218[10:59:44] <dka__> ~/ = ?
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1221[11:00:05] <dagerik> it's a bash thingie
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1222[11:00:12] <dagerik> try echo ~ in ur shell
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1223[11:00:14] <dka__> Then, for backup user
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1225[11:00:40] <dka__> root@backup:/var/backups# sudo -ubackup
echo ~
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1226[11:00:55] <dka__> return "/root"
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1228[11:01:09] <dagerik> yes because /root is the homefolder of
root
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1229[11:01:14] <dka__> so root and backup authorized_keys are
mixed ?
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1230[11:01:14] <themill> that ~ would be expanded by your own
shell not by sudo
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1235[11:01:42] <dka__> Backup user doesn't have a shell ?
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1236[11:01:57] <dka__> I guess it's easier to create another
user with home directory
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1238[11:01:59] <dagerik> dka__: I suspect it would be more
productice for you to pick up a book on linux basics
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1239[11:02:41] <dka__> dagerik, I guess you should take that
book, I will clean my ass of if I am in it's possession
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1243[11:03:02] <dka__> I am just asking a simple question, I have
more than basics.
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1244[11:03:11] <dka__> Learn #howtohelp
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1246[11:03:47] <dagerik> dka__: /etc/passwd has information about
the default shells of users
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1247[11:04:03] <blawiz> package version of specific package can
be the same in testing and unstable?
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1249[11:04:26] <TomTomTosch> blawiz: it often is.
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1250[11:04:39] <blawiz> TomTomTosch: i see
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1251[11:04:58] <dka__> thanks dagerik
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1252[11:05:25] <TomTomTosch> blawiz: packages from sid trickle
down to testing after a few days, so there is overlap.
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1254[11:07:26] <blawiz> TomTomTosch: usually just a few days? and
then there will be a new version in unstable?
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1255[11:07:36] <blawiz> i need a newer version of sc ;P
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1266[11:11:43] <TomTomTosch> i didn't say anything about new
versions in unstable. that depends on the maintainer.
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1350[11:59:33] <no_gravity> One of my files shows up as read only
in vim. Although the permissions are the same as all the other files
in that directory. What's the deal?
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1355[12:02:05] <no_gravity> Ah no! Complete nonsense. I looked at
the permissions of the wrong file :)
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1368[12:06:42] <Filystyn> HELLO
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1369[12:06:59] <Filystyn> interesting: seems on streach the
apt-get command was changed to apt
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1372[12:07:06] <Filystyn> or am I WRONG ?
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1373[12:07:42] <Filystyn> ANYONE?!
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1374[12:07:50] <no_gravity> What is streach?
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1376[12:08:11] <Filystyn> Debian 9 "Stretch"
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1377[12:08:16] <Filystyn> m and my namings
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1378[12:08:23] <no_gravity> I dunno. I'm on 8.
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1380[12:08:27] <Filystyn> but
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1381[12:08:39] <Filystyn> what about my question?
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1382[12:08:49] <no_gravity> What about my answer?
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1383[12:09:04] <Iiiak> apt is already running on jessie. Perhaps
it was totaly fused on stretch…
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1388[12:09:19] <Filystyn> wy do we need to change fom apt-get to
at
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1390[12:09:23] <Filystyn> apt-get was ok ;/
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1392[12:09:46] <Iiiak> Filystyn → to unify apt-* and
aptitude I think.
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1394[12:09:58] <Filystyn> ok
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1396[12:10:07] <Filystyn> what is differance between aptitude and
aptgeT?
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1397[12:10:15] <Filystyn> i thought it is same thing
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1398[12:10:20] <Filystyn> just simply two people making it
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1400[12:10:58] <Filystyn> HMMM?
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1402[12:11:20] <Filystyn> just used apt
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1403[12:11:29] <Filystyn> looks nicer but i think adding coolors
is not that important
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1404[12:11:51] <Filystyn> peple should concentrate on making
stale more up to date not on making aptget looking nice
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1407[12:12:28] <Filystyn> --->MY OPINION<---
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1412[12:14:37] <Filystyn> I am swapiing channels since NO answer
here'
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1420[12:18:58] <eitzei> Filystyn: "The most obvious
difference is that aptitude provides a terminal menu interface (much
like Synaptic in a terminal), whereas apt-get does not."[1]
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1423[12:19:46] <Filystyn> eitzei no one needs 3rd program that
does the same
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1424[12:19:50] <Filystyn> bu debian ways...
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1425[12:19:59] <Filystyn> Might it be I will never understand
those!
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1430[12:22:12] <musca> Filystyn: four keystrokes less to type
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1432[12:22:47] <musca> and you don't need to teach newbies
about apt-cache
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1433[12:23:05] <Filystyn> i duno wha is apt0cache
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1434[12:23:08] <Filystyn> :)
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1435[12:23:17] <eitzei> Or wajig ;)
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1436[12:23:53] <Filystyn> tho saw it in commands but never used
it
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1438[12:24:24] <Filystyn> *programs" or what ever
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1451[12:27:42] <k_sze[work]> does crontab not run a job I modify
a schedule and it's going to be too close to the current time?
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1453[12:28:05] <k_sze[work]> e.g. current time is 18:27 in HK, if
I change the schedule to 18:28, crontab won't run it?
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1459[12:30:38] <Fat-Zer_> is there a way to make apt pull in all
build dependencies? and not to delete then when they marked auto?
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1463[12:31:47] <FinalX> apt-get build-dep <package>
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1464[12:32:09] <FinalX> not sure if that'll mark them for
protection against autoremove and such.
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1465[12:32:10] <themill> Fat-Zer_: mk-build-deps sounds like what
you want
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1466[12:32:15] <FinalX> o
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1472[12:34:26] <Fat-Zer_> FinalX: that would mark them as
manually-installed, I want them to be marked as
automatically-pulled-in, and I want ALL build deps...
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1473[12:34:48] <aindilis> hi I am rolling a vagrant VM of the
latest Debian. I have exported Jessie 8.5, but I would also like to
put in either sid or unstable repo links in /etc/apt/sources.list
and then apt-get dist-upgrade and export that machine too. (or if
it's better, aptitude dist-upgrade. Do you know whether I
should use sid or unstable as the repo, and what in general is the
difference between them?
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1474[12:35:07] <Fat-Zer_> themill: dunno, how this may help
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1475[12:35:35] <FinalX> Fat-Zer_: oh, ok
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1476[12:35:48] <Fat-Zer_> I believe there should be some cmart
config option to make apt behave such...
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1477[12:35:50] <themill> Fat-Zer_: it does precisely what you
described
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1481[12:39:48] <Fat-Zer_> themill: ghm... got no idea what it has
commone with what I've described...
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1482[12:40:40] <themill> it installs the build-deps in such a way
that they are autoremovable later but won't get autoremoved
immediately. Exactly as you described.
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1486[12:45:13] <Fat-Zer_> themill: from man mk-build-deps: Given
a package name and/or control file, mk-build-deps will use equivs to
generate a binary package which may be installed to satisfy all the
build dependencies of the given package.
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1489[12:46:24] <Fat-Zer_> *package.
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1490[12:46:30] <b6s3d> how do i change dns ?
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1492[12:47:30] <themill> Fat-Zer_: I know what it does...
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1493[12:47:30] <Fat-Zer_> b6s3d: for once, you may just edit
/etc/resolv.conf
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1494[12:47:46] <b6s3d> no it gets overwritten
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1496[12:48:07] <b6s3d> but for once yes
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1497[12:48:17] <b6s3d> what about permanent ?
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1498[12:48:28] <themill> b6s3d: are you using dhcp?
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1499[12:48:37] <b6s3d> i think so
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1500[12:48:38] <Mathisen> then maybe /etc/network/interfaces ?
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1502[12:48:58] <themill> b6s3d: that detail matters
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1504[12:49:08] <b6s3d> nope didn't work, the old is still
shown in /etc/resolv.conf
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1505[12:49:37] <b6s3d> ^Mathisen
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1509[12:50:36] <b6s3d> themill: dhcp is enabled on my router
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1511[12:52:13] <b6s3d> come on, can't be that hard :P
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1518[12:53:52] <themill> !override dns
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1519[12:53:52] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified
nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server,
echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;"
>> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for
more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use
"prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or
remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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1521[12:54:20] <themill> b6s3d: it's not ^^ when the next
lease is accepted, it will use the dns settings specified there,
presuming you are using dhclient as the dhcp client.
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1522[12:54:33] <Fat-Zer_> b6s3d: it was easy before systemd and
NM times...
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1524[12:55:37] <b6s3d> gonna read some on
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1529[12:56:30] <Fat-Zer_> themill: mk-build-deps just build one
bloated package with build deps for a single givven package... I
just want to make apt consider the build deps as normal deps...
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1530[12:56:32] <themill> Fat-Zer_: those instructions predate
both nm and systemd and are stull current
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1531[12:56:38] <themill> Fat-Zer_: that's nice.
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1533[12:56:51] <themill> "bloated".... awesome.
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1541[12:58:58] <Fat-Zer_> themill: what's wrong?
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1554[13:04:51] <dka> I have create a user called `dummy-backup`
on two hosts, I have generated the key in `/backup/.ssh` on one
host, and added the authorized_key file with the public key on they
other, the command I am using is : `sudo -u dummy-backup rsync -h -v
-r -P -R -t --ignore-existing -e "ssh -p 10022 -o
StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i /backup/.ssh/id_rsa.pub"
/backup/congty/mail-server
dummy-backup@cong-ty.sytes.net:/mnt/backup/loaded/hostname-01/backup/congty/mail-server`
, I
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1555[13:04:52] <dka> don't understand why the server keep
asking me for my password. From my reading, it might be a
permissions issue. I have a group called dummy-backup, and the /mnt
folder is owned by this group. Any help ?
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1559[13:06:55] <Fat-Zer_> dka: have you tried connect manually
with use ssh -vvv?
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1560[13:07:29] <Fat-Zer_> is /backaup a home director of
dummy-backup?
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1561[13:07:37] <Fat-Zer_> *backup
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1584[13:28:57] <kevin-leptons> hura
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1585[13:29:12] <Ghostbird> What should I install so GDB shows the
names of shared library functions in the disassembly?
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1591[13:31:59] <b6s3d> fixed the dns by removing resolvconf
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1594[13:33:11] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> b6s3d: are u on crack?
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1595[13:33:19] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: if you need debug into
shared lib, you must install it. if not, you should not because it
make wasted storage
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1596[13:33:30] <b6s3d> nope don't try to sell me that stuff
xD
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1597[13:33:47] <b6s3d> police police c:
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1598[13:33:57] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> b6s3d: I dont sell it
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1599[13:34:00] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> i dont smoke it
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1600[13:34:04] <b6s3d> i do joke around
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1602[13:34:06] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> but i know its LOL to talk
about
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1603[13:34:11] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> so i spam about it
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1604[13:34:13] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> on irc
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1605[13:34:16] <b6s3d> why do you ask?
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1606[13:34:17] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> for the lulz
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1608[13:34:34] <b6s3d> oh k
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1609[13:34:45] <Ghostbird> kevin-leptons: I don't need to
debug into it. I just need to see the names in GDB. E.g:
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1610[13:34:45] <Ghostbird> 0x00010f8c <+152>: bl 0x10c48
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1611[13:34:45] <Ghostbird> I want that line to show the name of
the function that's loaded at 0x10c48.
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1612[13:34:51] <b6s3d> have you been to double chan?
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1613[13:34:51] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> see, i have learned that an
expert troll needs things that always get a substantial response
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1616[13:35:16] <b6s3d> Cisco3560-48PS-S: have you been to double
chan?
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1618[13:35:28] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> I dont chan shit
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1619[13:35:30] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> i shit channels
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1621[13:35:51] <b6s3d> can you hear that? i think its the sound
of a boot getting strapped on a leg
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1624[13:37:50] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> b6s3d: your mom?
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1625[13:37:56] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> going to fuckslut bootcamp
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1626[13:38:04] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> to learn how to be a fuckslut
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1627[13:38:09] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> fuck slut
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1628[13:38:10] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> slut fuck
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1630[13:38:20] <b6s3d> get real noob
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1631[13:38:35] <qmr> o_O
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1632[13:39:34] <axgb> I am trying to install GNU Icecat, and what
I have downloaded from the GNU website is a folder of files, one of
which I can click to open GNU Icecat. How do I like properly install
it such that I can get it from the application menu?
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1636[13:40:08] <abrotman> Cisco3560-48PS-S: not appropriate, go
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1650[13:45:58] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: sorry, i just have
diner. you can read about 'examining the symbol table' of
gdb. then you idea for your problems
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1651[13:46:24] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: then you get idea for
you problems
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1689[14:05:55] <Ghostbird> kevin-leptons: Seems like the solution
is to install: git clone --branch gdb-7.7-branch
git://sourceware.org/git/binutils-gdb.git to match binutils and gdb
version.
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1692[14:07:06] <Elirips> hello. can someone recommend me an easy
to use irc-client that has no need for X and is available as .deb in
jessie?
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1695[14:07:49] <kevin-leptons> Elirips: you can try weechat
package
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1696[14:08:16] <Elirips> kevin-leptons: does it support irc via
ssl?
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1698[14:09:29] <kevin-leptons> Elirips: it have, you can read
document for more information
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1702[14:10:04] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: did it solve your
problem ?. because i not see your question from begining
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1706[14:10:27] <Ghostbird> kevin-leptons: Still cloning it.
It's a big repo.
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1709[14:11:37] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: try download as
zipfile, that can fast than a bit
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1714[14:12:55] <c855> i am trying to install jessie on a toshiba
satellite c855 laptop. it had windows 8 which i completely erased. i
repartitioned the hard disk manually. i ended up with 3 partitions:
15GB / 12GB swap and 971GB /home but after selecting "Finish
partitioning and write changes to disk" i got the message
"No EFI partition was found. Go back to the menu and resume
partitioning". What shall i do now?
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1715[14:13:15] <c855> btw, jessie will be the only os on my
laptop
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1716[14:14:19] <VLetrmx> Hi
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1718[14:15:05] <VLetrmx> Are there any debian packaging howtos
that deal specifically with generating multiple packages from a
single source? i.e. foolib and foolib-dev packages
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1723[14:18:53] <babilen> c855: You have to create EFI partitions
and all that. My recommendation would be to use "Guided"
partitioning and just customise that. Also: Why such a small / ? You
might want to consider keeping it all in one partition on a laptop.
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1724[14:19:28] <babilen>
replaced-url
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1726[14:20:08] <Ghostbird> c855: I'd definitely increase the
root partition, since it'll be where all your software is
installed. 15 GB is very small nowadays.
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1728[14:20:51] <c855> is 15GB for / too small? why? i have a
971GB /home
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1730[14:20:58] <babilen> It definitely is
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1731[14:21:04] <Ghostbird> But all your software installs in /
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1732[14:21:14] <babilen> c855: You could merge / and /home on a
laptop
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1733[14:21:22] <Ghostbird> So if you've got more than 15GB
OS + /, you cannot do anything anymore.
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1735[14:21:32] <Ghostbird> And still I do NOT recommend merging /
and /home
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1736[14:21:45] <c855> i pefer ti have a separate /home partition
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1737[14:21:46] <babilen> Virtual machines, databases and a bunch
of other things needs storage outside of /home too
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1738[14:21:52] <Ghostbird> My set-up would be a 100GB / and 900
GB /home
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1739[14:22:10] <babilen> It's okay to keep them separate,
but definitely give / more space
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1740[14:22:13] <Ghostbird> babilen: Virtualbox natively stores
VMs in /home.
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1741[14:22:14] <c855> i am not going to run vm
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1743[14:22:26] <babilen> Ghostbird: But why would you use vbox on
Linux? ;)
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1744[14:22:42] <Ghostbird> babilen: What's a good
alternative?
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1745[14:22:44] <babilen> But I was also thinking of that as the
sole exception
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1746[14:22:54] <babilen> Ghostbird: virt-manager/virsh with kvm
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1747[14:23:04] <Ghostbird> babilen: Interesting. I'll look
into it.
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1751[14:24:22] <Ghostbird> c855: Back on topic, I'd suggest
a 100GB root. You won't quickly miss the 100GB that you lose on
/home, but with 15GB root, you'll quickly be forced to
reinstall or do crazy partition resizes on the system.
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1752[14:25:03] <c855> i am not going to run vm/databases on my
laptop. do i really need a 100gb / ?
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1753[14:25:11] <Ghostbird> Though if you know that you're
not going to install a lot of software, you can probably make do
with a 50GB root.
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1754[14:25:32] <babilen> Point being: 15G will be *very* painful
soon
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1755[14:25:33] <Ghostbird> The question is. What are you going to
do with /home that you so desperately want to maximise it?
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1756[14:26:09] <Ghostbird> Currently on my system (I'm not
running VMs from the root or anything like that) I use 42GB for
root.
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1758[14:26:57] <Ghostbird> But I also offload some specific tasks
to my servers, so without those, I'd probably use a little
more.
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1759[14:27:25] <c855> 50gb / is actually too much? i never use
more than 7gb of it after all the software i need has been
installed. so why woul i need a 50 gb / ?
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1762[14:28:06] <c855> 50gb / is actually too much! i never use
more than 7gb of it after all the software i need has been
installed. so why woul i need a 50 gb / ?
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1767[14:30:01] <Ghostbird> Ah, you'll probably be fine with
less than 50 GB. Just don't forget to run:
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1768[14:30:01] <Ghostbird> # apt-get clean
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1769[14:30:01] <Ghostbird> regularly. I just realised I
hadn't for a year, and my apt-cache was taking up about 20 GB.
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1770[14:30:19] <Ghostbird> Now my root is 23 GB of stuff I
actually use.
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1772[14:30:59] <c855> i run apt-get clean every week
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1773[14:31:09] <Ghostbird> But anyway, make sure you make it big
enough. Not having enough space basically means your system is dead,
and you'll need to do dangerous things to fix it. And I ask you
again, why are you so desperate to maximise /home?
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1774[14:31:39] <Ghostbird> Having 50GB less on a 1TB home is not
a big deal. Being 1 GB short on the root is a BIG deal.
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1777[14:34:17] <c855> it is not so much a question of maximising
/home but not wasting GBs on / . anyway, i will repartition and
create a 50 gb / but how can i solve the main issue, the one i
mentioned first?
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1778[14:35:25] <c855> i am trying to install jessie on a toshiba
satellite c855 laptop. it had windows 8 which i completely erased. i
repartitioned the hard disk manually. i ended up with 3 partitions:
50GB / 12GB swap and 926GB /home but after selecting "Finish
partitioning and write changes to disk" i got the message
"No EFI partition was found. Go back to the menu and resume
partitioning". What shall i do now?
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1779[14:36:09] <babilen> c855: You have to create suitable EFI
system partitions. As I said earlier: One easy way is to customise a
"Guided" partitioning setup.
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1780[14:36:23] <Ghostbird>
replaced-url
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1782[14:36:38] <Ghostbird> I think if you use the guided
partitioning, it'll automatically set it up correctly.
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1783[14:36:49] <babilen> It will .. hence the suggestion to
customise that setup
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1784[14:36:51] <Ghostbird> Then adapt it at need afterwards,
before you write changes.
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1786[14:36:58] <Ghostbird> Ninja's
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1787[14:37:11] <babilen> Ninja's?
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1790[14:38:11] <Ghostbird> *Ninja'd
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1830[14:55:34] <c855> babilen, i chose guided partitioning,
customised and the following partitions were created: 536MB ESP,
47GB /, 16GB swap and 936GB /home. one thing i noticed is that i
have 1MB free space at the begiining of the disk and 728kb at the
end. is that ok?
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1835[14:58:52] <VLetrmx> Seriously how the hell do you get
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1836[14:58:56] <babilen> c855: Should be fine, yeah
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1837[14:59:01] <VLetrmx> I just want to set PREFIX=/usr
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1838[14:59:10] <babilen> VLetrmx: → #
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1840[14:59:19] <babilen> VLetrmx: → #debian-mentors
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1841[14:59:24] <VLetrmx> Okay cheers
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1882[15:13:49] <c855> babilen, thanks
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1912[15:21:14] <JohnDoe_71Rus> hi. i have armbian, think is not
important. can't localize interface(appmenu, menu). use lxde
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1913[15:21:41] <JohnDoe_71Rus> debian jessie
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1915[15:22:11] <lime_> I want to run a popcorn server
(popularity-contest) to receive results of packages installed, is
this package available?
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1955[15:39:06] <notjelly> !qotd0
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1956[15:39:06] <dpkg> <alfred> how do i set my date and
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1973[15:44:19] <notjelly> it's #raspbian
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1974[15:44:20] <rudar> i didn't get it
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1976[15:44:35] <telecode101> thanks
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1977[15:44:36] <telecode101> :-)
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1979[15:45:08] <Filystyn> HELLO
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1980[15:45:19] <telecode101> wonder if someone can config a
debian & apache config question
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1981[15:45:22] <slartie> From the other side?
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1982[15:45:26] <joze> Heaveno
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1984[15:45:35] <telecode101> for this fix
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1986[15:45:41] <Filystyn> Problem : why does debian part UTF-8 to
locales
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1987[15:45:44] <Filystyn> ANYONE!?
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1988[15:45:46] <telecode101> do we place it in apache2.conf of
security.conf?
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1990[15:45:58] <telecode101> do we place it in apache2.conf
"or" security.conf?
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1993[15:46:43] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Can you rephrase your
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1994[15:47:01] <teraflops> Filystyn: caps mean shouting, also
what does part UTF-8 to locales mean?
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1995[15:47:08] <telecode101> I am implementing this fix able.
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1996[15:47:19] <Filystyn> My debian has
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1997[15:47:28] <Filystyn> piotr@deb:~$ locale -a
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1998[15:47:29] <Filystyn> C
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1999[15:47:31] <Filystyn> C.UTF-8
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2000[15:47:32] <Filystyn> pl_PL.utf8
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2001[15:47:34] <Filystyn> POSIX
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2002[15:47:35] <telecode101> do i place the text in securty.conf
or apache2.conf for it to be applied gllobally to all sites
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2003[15:47:47] <Filystyn> the C.UTF-8 handles i belive alll utf-8
existing multibytes
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2004[15:47:54] <Filystyn> when the pl only polish ones
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2006[15:48:09] <petn-randall> Filystyn: That's not how UTF-8
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2008[15:49:27] <Filystyn> that is not answer to my question
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2009[15:49:30] <Filystyn> petn-randall
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2010[15:49:53] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Can you ask your question
again then?
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2011[15:50:42] <petn-randall> Filystyn: I didn't understand
your question the first time.
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2013[15:51:00] <petn-randall> Filystyn: It also helps to explain
what you expect and what you got instead.
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2016[15:51:53] <Filystyn> if i set locale pl_PL.utf8 and it is a
polish locale i can detect it with mbrlen (check its sze). BUT if
it's not polish i would need to use the proper language.utf8 or
C.UTF-8 that seem to contain all utf-8 specifiic multibyte char sets
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2018[15:52:14] <Filystyn> the question is WHY not just use always
C.UTF-8 in all system WHY part them to language locales
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2021[15:52:37] <Filystyn> i mean polish multibytechar vde
"ó"
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2022[15:52:41] <chaddy> Filystyn: /j #debian-pl, perhaps?
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2023[15:52:46] <Filystyn> NO
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2024[15:53:10] <Filystyn> it' problem of linux more than
debian or specialy polish debian
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2025[15:53:15] <Filystyn> chaddy you have same problem
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2026[15:53:21] <Filystyn> you just hhave no idea it exist
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2027[15:53:37] <chaddy> Filystyn: are some characters not being
displayed properly?
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2028[15:53:37] <petn-randall> Filystyn: The locale gives any
running programs hints in what language to display any messages,
measurement units, paper sizes, etc. The encoding is only a part of
it.
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2030[15:53:56] <Filystyn> wrong
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2031[15:54:01] <Filystyn> look at this example
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2032[15:54:26] <Filystyn> one working
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2033[15:54:54] <Filystyn> nt working
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2034[15:54:57] <Filystyn> not*
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2036[15:55:05] <Filystyn> because it has no pl one
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2037[15:55:14] <Filystyn> why do i need to have the languag eone
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2039[15:55:24] <Filystyn> why not just force all to use the
C.utf8
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2041[15:55:35] <Filystyn> C.UTF-8
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2043[15:55:46] <Filystyn> why make partial locale utf-8
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2044[15:56:27] <kevin-leptons> chaos in here =]]
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2047[15:57:09] <Filystyn> ANSWER ME!!!!
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2050[15:57:41] <petn-randall> Filystyn: If you carry on yelling,
I will refuse to help you.
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2060[16:00:40] <Filystyn> waiting...
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2061[16:00:42] <chaddy> Filystyn: you're not making as much
sense as you think you are, which was why I suggested #debian-pl
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2062[16:00:57] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Sorry, but I still
don't understand your issue. Your working example threw some
errors to STDERR. What is the grand goal you want to achieve?
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2064[16:01:11] <Filystyn> if ou do not know how to answer the
qustion you should not enter the conversation friends
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2065[16:01:29] <Filystyn> and i was very precise what the problem
was
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2066[16:01:32] <lapyo> is this the right channel for asking help
for USB-stick installation problems
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2074[16:03:31] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Your only question was
"WHY not just use always C.UTF-8 in all system WHY part them to
language locales". If I understand that question correctly, I
already gave you an answer. But I think there's also a language
barrier here.
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2076[16:03:52] <Filystyn> there is no barrier
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2079[16:04:08] <lapyo> nvm
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2081[16:04:09] <Filystyn> there could be separate locale for it
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2082[16:04:18] <petn-randall> Filystyn: What is "it"?
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2083[16:04:23] <Filystyn> the language
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2084[16:04:43] <petn-randall> Filystyn: With language barrier I
mean your english is difficult to understand.
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2085[16:05:11] <Filystyn> The language it self could be in locale
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2087[16:05:22] <Filystyn> the tf-8 cold stay not language related
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2088[16:05:34] <teraflops> Filystyn: theres nothing wrong in
replaced-url
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2089[16:05:48] <Filystyn> this one is proper
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2090[16:05:52] <Filystyn> the wrong one was teh second
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2092[16:06:40] <Filystyn> i belive you were the one that got
stuck on *understanding*
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2093[16:07:08] <petn-randall> Filystyn: LC_ALL overrides every
other locale environment variable, see 'man 7 locale' for
details.
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2094[16:07:08] <Filystyn> the wrost thing is that the question
here is realy smple
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2095[16:07:24] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Yet nobody understood
your question yet.
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2097[16:07:57] <Filystyn> because his is how they made it they
MERGED the utf-8 into locales
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2099[16:08:03] <Filystyn> and my question is WHY
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2100[16:08:25] <Filystyn> why not leave locales wiithout
connecting them to utf-8
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2102[16:08:52] <Filystyn> could be setlocale(LC_ALL,
"pl_PL");
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2103[16:09:03] <Filystyn> instead they force you to use only
polish locales.
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2104[16:09:10] <teraflops> C locale is a special locale that is
meant to be the simplest locale. not meant to print your localized
messages, the language is usually US English (it's at the
discretion of the application author) and things like currency
symbols are not defined
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2106[16:09:42] <ashka> hi, can I do something so that systemd
waits for all the dhcp interfaces to be up before starting some
services with using etc/network/interfaces and without adding some
hack into systemd ?
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2107[16:09:49] <Filystyn> teraflops than WHY
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2108[16:09:58] <teraflops> stop using caps
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2109[16:10:03] <Filystyn> why does it return ERROR on not polish
locale
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2110[16:10:05] <Filystyn> INSTEAD
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2112[16:10:06] <teraflops> Filystyn: why? I already told you
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2113[16:10:13] <teraflops> ok im going to ignore you
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2114[16:10:15] <Filystyn> of simply treat it as bytes that are
not locale
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2115[16:10:18] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Because the encoding is
an important part of displaying localized messages?
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2116[16:10:21] <Filystyn> oh fuck of noob
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2117[16:10:26] <petn-randall> !ops Filystyn
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2118[16:10:26] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall
complains about: Filystyn
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2119[16:10:32] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Goodbye
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2120[16:10:46] <Filystyn> you could not help teraflops
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2121[16:10:53] <Filystyn> no sorry here
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2122[16:11:21] <Filystyn> *can't understand question after
told bazilion times, will continue to compain he doe snot
understand*
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2123[16:11:21] <teraflops> I already told you why, but youre
being a dick, so good luck
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2124[16:11:36] <Filystyn> It should not return error
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2125[16:11:47] <Filystyn> just treat as some bytes
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2126[16:12:06] <Filystyn> i can't belive mistake lik that
exists
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2127[16:12:08] <petn-randall> *plonk*
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2128[16:12:29] <chaddy> more likely wodka than wine, I think
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2131[16:14:01] <Filystyn> I am done wih you people i wil go to
glibc since it's more of their problem not debian.
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2137[16:16:00] <Flippylosaurus> .seen me
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2139[16:16:05] <Flippylosaurus> .seen Flippylosaurus
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2140[16:16:06] <Flippylosaurus> oh
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2150[16:19:13] <kal> hi, una orden en terminal que me permita
cerrar una aplicacion en una hora determinada como shutdown
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2151[16:19:26] <petn-randall> !es
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2152[16:19:27] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en
Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en
Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join
#debian-es en la línea de chat.
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2153[16:19:46] <missmbob> i think that's pt, no?
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2154[16:20:57] <miesco> How is vsftpd very secure if ssl
isn't enabled by default? So all passwords by default are sent
unencrypted?
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2159[16:21:41] <troysankey> i'm reading the wiki article for
unattended upgrades and i'm not sure what the difference is
between 20auto-upgrades and 02periodic
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2160[16:21:44] <troysankey>
replaced-url
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2162[16:21:53] <missmbob> !ftpmustdie
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2163[16:21:54] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE!
replaced-url
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2164[16:22:06] <missmbob> miesco: it's not. you have to make
it secure. yes, default is unencrypted
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2168[16:22:53] <miesco> missmbob: Yea but with http, you
can't download multiple directories at once, correct?
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2171[16:23:35] <missmbob> miesco: you could write a quick php
script for it if you wanted to
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2172[16:23:46] <missmbob> miesco: i'm sure there are many
you could google
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2196[16:29:15] <miesco> missmbob: Really? How would that work?
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2198[16:29:40] <miesco> missmbob: I thought the browser clients
can only download a single file
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2200[16:30:06] <missmbob> miesco: the server side creates a tar
or zip of the directories and feeds that to the client
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2201[16:30:24] <missmbob> miesco: google php file manager or http
file manager and you'll see a bunch
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2210[16:34:23] <miesco> missmbob: I suppose 'owncloud'
would be one?
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2220[16:36:34] <missmbob> miesco: sure
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2239[16:42:31] <teraflops> miesco: I can understand that you have
to use ftp on the client side if youre forced to do so, but
installing ftp server on your own initiative … there are
better alternatives
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2243[16:43:35] <greycat> Oh? What are the alternatives to solve
the "my client is fucking 600 years old and wants to use FTP
and he is very rich and powerful and so I have to obey or be
flayed" than to install an FTP server?
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2246[16:45:08] <miesco> Is there a way to view a file in a
package?
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2248[16:45:09] <teraflops> greycat: I include that one in being
forced to do so then
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2249[16:45:31] <greycat> Oh, your alternatives were for the
client, not for the server.
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2250[16:45:42] <teraflops> were for the server
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2251[16:45:58] <greycat> miesco: is the package currently
installed? If so, it's trivial.
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2252[16:46:09] <miesco> I have aptitude, but I deleted one of the
files that is part of a package that was installed on my computer.
How do I view the original file in the package?
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2253[16:46:24] <greycat> And you don't simply wish to
INSTALL the missing file?
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2254[16:46:33] <miesco> greycat: No because I replaced it
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2255[16:46:43] <miesco> its /etc/vsftpd.conf
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2256[16:46:49] <miesco> I used my old config
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2259[16:47:24] <greycat> Then you use an ar command to pull the
data.tar.gz file out of the .deb and you filter that through a
tar/gzip command to pull the file-by-name out of the compressed tar
archive.
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2261[16:47:53] <greycat> or, alternatively, you extract the whole
bloody thing into a subdirectory of /tmp and then you cat the file.
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2262[16:47:54] <jelly-home> miesco: does dpkg -L package-name
list the etc/vsftpd.conf path at all? Sometimes config file are not
actually part of a package.
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2266[16:48:16] <greycat> or, alternatively, you look at the
/etc/vsftpd.conf.dpkg* file that got left behind
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2267[16:48:21] <jelly-home> sometimes they're generated from
a template at installation time in the install scripts
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2268[16:48:22] <greycat> sometimes that happens
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2269[16:48:33] <miesco> jelly-home: Yea it does
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2270[16:48:44] <miesco> greycat: Not there
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2271[16:48:50] <jelly-home> right, you can look at the package
contents then.
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2272[16:48:54] <greycat> OK, first two alternatives then.
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2274[16:49:06] <miesco> jelly-home: How?
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2276[16:49:35] <jelly-home> miesco: apt-get download vsftpd (or
whatever the package name), dpkg-deb --unpack blah.deb sometempdir/,
less sometempdir/etc/vsftpd.conf
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2279[16:49:54] <jelly-home> none of that has to be done as root
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2280[16:49:56] <miesco> I found it
/var/cache/apt/archives/vsftpd_3.0.2-17+deb8u1_amd64.deb
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2282[16:50:17] <miesco> jelly-home: Ah I use root for everything
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2283[16:50:23] <greycat> Not wise.
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2284[16:50:24] <miesco> jelly-home: Well not everything
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2286[16:50:30] <miesco> greycat: why?
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2288[16:50:46] <greycat> Because you might screw up.
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2290[16:50:59] <jelly> argualy he did screw up already :-)
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2291[16:51:00] <greycat> Screwing up as root has much more
potentially dire consequences than screwing up as yourself.
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2292[16:51:00] <miesco> greycat: I could also screw up using sudo
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2294[16:51:12] <greycat> USING SUDO *IS* BEING ROOT, DUMB ASS
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2295[16:51:12] <jelly> sudo is just a way to be root
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2298[16:51:31] <miesco> well I only use root for root things
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2299[16:51:39] <greycat> 10:50 miesco> jelly-home: Ah I use
root for everything
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2300[16:51:40] <greycat> 10:51 miesco> well I only use root
for root things
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2301[16:51:48] <miesco> 10:50am miesco | jelly-home: Well not
everything
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2303[16:51:54] <jelly> miesco, and I'm explaining you
don't need root to dpkg-deb --unpack
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2304[16:52:06] <miesco> I meant everything superuser related
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2306[16:52:11] <greycat> nor do you need root to do the ar|tar
thing.
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2308[16:52:37] <miesco> greycat: Fine, I was already comfortable
in my root bash terminal but i'll switch to my user one and
look at the .deb
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2312[16:53:12] <miesco> err actually I just noticed im ssh'd
in
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2314[16:53:26] <miesco> I'll create a tmux session then and
use the user
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2315[16:53:56] <jelly> it was just a side note. We don't
really care if you needlessly use root for all the things.
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2316[16:54:10] <jelly> it's just not the safest possible
practice
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2318[16:54:41] <miesco> ah crap now I got a tmux session in a
tmux session...
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2319[16:54:46] <miesco> I should of just used root
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2329[16:57:39] <ashka> why is wheezy->jessie broken if there
are services depending on a dhcp interface?
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2331[16:58:15] <teraflops> ashka: custom services you created?
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2332[16:58:20] <ashka> teraflops: sshd
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2333[16:58:29] <greycat> I don't understand what you're
asking.
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2338[16:59:01] <jelly> ashka: probably because noone reported it
as a bug
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2339[16:59:01] <teraflops> ah, no idea I did not notice such
breackage doing dist-upgrade
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2340[16:59:14] <ashka> if there's a dhcp interface in
etc/network/interfaces before upgrade and if a service binds a
socket to this interface then systemd starts the service before the
interface got its address
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2344[17:00:04] <miesco> jelly: Did you mean dpkg-deb --extract?
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2345[17:00:06] <dka> I am trying to understand why the file owned
by meBackup:meBackup can't get copied over ssh with RSA
authentication. I keep getting prompt the password
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2347[17:00:27] <jelly> miesco, yes, sorry
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2348[17:00:28] <greycat> dka: well, it's got nothing at all
to do with the file.
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2349[17:00:48] <greycat> dka: test with "ssh me@host
date" or something similar
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2351[17:01:52] <ashka> the way to fix it seems to be migrating
the network/interfaces to systemd-networkd but the jessie release
notes do not mention networking at all
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2352[17:01:54] <jelly> ashka: in theory, an ifup action
isn't supposed to succeed before the iface is configured.
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2355[17:02:39] <ashka> jelly: network.target seems to be reached
before dhclient is done
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2356[17:03:11] <jelly> ashka, can you pastebin your interfaces
file?
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2357[17:03:15] <jelly> !paste
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2358[17:03:15] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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2360[17:03:36] <dka> greycat, "sudo -u me-backup ssh
me-backup@mesites.sytes.net -p10022 -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i
/backup/.ssh/id_rsa date" return me a prompt for password
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2361[17:03:47] <dka> user exist on both host with the same
uid/guid
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2362[17:03:59] <greycat> Right, so it's got nothing to do
with the ownership of some file you were trying to cat on the
server.
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2364[17:04:33] <jelly> dka, are authorized_keys configured with
the right pubkey for the right user on the remote system?
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2365[17:04:34] <greycat> Are the permissions right on the
/backup/.ssh/id_rsa file and on the /backup directory?
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2366[17:05:03] <greycat> (and on /backup/.ssh )
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2367[17:05:07] <jelly> dka, in other words, did key-based auth
_ever_ work?
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2368[17:05:44] <dka> sender has private key with perms 600 and
ownership of me-backup:me-backup && receiver has public key
in /backup/.ssh/authorized_keys, this file has perms 655 and
ownership me-backup:me-backup.
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2370[17:06:06] <dka> jelly, key's are good, I don't
mind regenerate the keys if you doubt of it :]
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2371[17:06:10] <greycat> You did not check the permissions of
/backup and /backup.ssh then?
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2372[17:06:16] <greycat> GAH
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2373[17:06:18] <miesco> Is ftp server insecure if you only enable
anonymous?
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2374[17:06:19] <greycat> You did not check the permissions of
/backup and /backup/.ssh then?
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2376[17:06:32] <greycat> miesco:
replaced-url
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2377[17:06:33] <ashka> jelly:
replaced-url
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2378[17:07:05] <greycat> How is ssh binding on the unknown IP
address of eth1?
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2380[17:08:12] <dka> greycat, perms on sender
"/backup/.ssh" are "770" and ownership
"me-backup:me-backup", perms on receiver
"/backup/.ssh" are "770" with ownership
"me-backup:me-backup"
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2381[17:08:14] <ashka> greycat: the dhcp for it will give me the
same address reliably so I've put it in the sshd_config
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2382[17:08:41] <greycat> dka: the group writability is a problem.
It will disqualify the key.
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2387[17:10:07] <miesco> greycat: Okay your rant is missing a
replacement
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2390[17:10:25] <ashka> greycat: I get some routes from the dhcp,
which is why I do not use static for it, if you're wondering
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2391[17:10:26] <dka> greycat, group writability on folder or file
?
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2394[17:10:40] <greycat> dka: ALL OF THE ABOVE
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2396[17:10:50] <greycat> dka:
replaced-url
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2397[17:11:02] <dka> greycat, tty
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2398[17:11:04] <jelly> ashka: if you're getting an arbitrary
address via dhcp, sensible configs for ssh service would either be
"listen on every iface" or "make bloody well sure
dhcp always assigns the same IP"
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2400[17:11:18] <miesco> greycat: What do you use to replace ftp
(for public access)?
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2402[17:11:40] <greycat> miesco: I have a web server, as you may
have noticed by the two URLs I've passed out recently...
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2403[17:11:40] <jelly> ashka: so it's an unusual setup,
I'm not surprised you managed to find a corner case
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2404[17:12:02] <ashka> jelly: it assigns the IP properly though,
but still starts too early. I have to upgrade several machines
I'll do various tests
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2406[17:12:29] <jelly> ashka: in your case, I think you
_don't_ want to use "allow-hotplug". You want
"auto".
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2410[17:13:07] <jelly> hotplug implies an iface can go up at any
time, and your ssh service is not configured to handle that.
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2411[17:13:13] <miesco> greycat: I mean if I have the all 9
seasons of the simpsons and I want someone to be able to download
any season
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2412[17:13:30] <greycat> Then you could put them on your web
server.
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2413[17:13:41] <jelly> ashka: s/allow-hotplug/auto/g, reboot, see
if it makes things different
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2423[17:15:51] <jelly> ,v ifupdown2
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2424[17:15:53] <judd> Package: ifupdown2 on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 1.0~git20160525-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.0~git20160525-1;
stretch: 1.0~git20160525-1
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2425[17:16:01] <miesco> greycat: But how would someone download
the whole directory?
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2426[17:16:05] <greycat> *sigh*
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2427[17:16:24] <greycat> miesco: So your goal is to offer an
interface by which end users can retrieve EITHER a single file OR an
entire directory in a single transaction?
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2428[17:16:24] <jelly> miesco, wget.
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2431[17:16:41] <miesco> greycat: yes
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2433[17:16:59] <miesco> jelly: too advanced for friends
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2434[17:17:01] <greycat> I dunno. There's probably some
application for that. I've never WANTED to know.
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2436[17:17:17] <jelly> miesco, they can use whatever downloader
they want.
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2439[17:17:33] <greycat> I'm absolutely certain that your
un-advanced friends wouldn't know how to drive "get
dirname.tar.gz" in an FTP client either, so that's out.
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2440[17:17:47] <croddy> having to click 26 times should be a good
way to motivate people to learn two things about computers
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2441[17:17:51] <jelly> there's dozens of tools to slurp up a
web site or a directory from a browser
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2442[17:18:00] <missmbob> miesco: pretty sure i've already
covered this with you. there are http file managers. of course use
it in https only
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2444[17:18:31] <jelly> miesco, webdav can be mounted as a
filesystem in windows.
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2447[17:19:00] <miesco> jelly: Like I need to give a url
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2448[17:19:15] <croddy> i've supported webdav as a windows
mount for this sort of crowd. results were... mixed
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2449[17:19:53] <Danne-> Hi! anyone here that rocks on mdadm? I
have a problem with a exisisting array. mdadm has set 2 of my drives
ad removed (RAID 6) and i cannot add them to the array again, anyone
has sugestions?
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2450[17:19:57] <missmbob> owncloud gives you a "share
with" link
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2451[17:20:23] <jelly> Danne-: ask in #linux-raid
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2452[17:20:28] <Danne-> ok!
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2456[17:22:28] <miesco> Is this normal?
replaced-url
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2459[17:24:22] <jelly> miesco, probably.
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2461[17:24:43] <greycat> One thing I can say: only one of them
can bind to the FTP connection port.
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2462[17:25:35] <miesco> jelly: I have a weird file called
Photo.scr in my ftp's upload/ dir. Do you think its malicious?
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2463[17:25:48] <miesco> jelly: mediainfo says its an executable
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2464[17:25:56] <greycat> You. Had. An upload. Directory.
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2465[17:25:58] <greycat> *facepalm*
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2468[17:26:35] <han-solo> miesco: it's malicious
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2469[17:26:35] <greycat> Do you know what happens when you run an
FTP server that has a writable upload directory? With anonymous
users allowed?
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2470[17:26:37] <han-solo> i think,
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2471[17:26:47] <han-solo> also .pif
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2472[17:26:49] <Kobaz> anyone know some
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2474[17:27:17] <greycat> You get free copyright-infringing MP3
files, and warez, and ... well, last time I did it was many years
ago, so nowadays you'd probably get movies....
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2476[17:27:25] <han-solo> know some public uploadable ftp severs?
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2478[17:27:30] <han-solo> s/severs/servers
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2480[17:27:49] <Kobaz> whoops
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2482[17:28:08] <Kobaz> anyone know some repos that still have
squeeze debs?
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2483[17:28:19] <greycat> !squeeze sources.list
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2484[17:28:19] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb
replaced-url
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2487[17:28:39] <miesco> greycat: So I get free stuff...
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2489[17:28:46] <Kobaz> all the files are 404
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2490[17:28:54] <greycat> Free stuff which may or may not be in
violation of your local laws. Yes.
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2491[17:28:54] <Kobaz> oooh
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2492[17:28:57] <Kobaz> archive..
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2494[17:31:13] <miesco> greycat: Man I am serving so much
copyright infrining stuff on my ftp server already
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2495[17:31:20] <miesco> greycat: Like thats the whole point
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2497[17:31:40] <miesco> greycat: And the upload/ dir is not
public readable, so no one can see all the mp3 files people give me
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2498[17:31:44] <greycat> But it's stuff you chose. Rather
than stuff chosen by your unknowable user base.
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2499[17:31:59] <miesco> greycat: Still, its world unreadable. No
one knows.
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2500[17:32:01] <jelly> miesco, don't tell us that. Freenode
does not condone or allow illegal behaviour.
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2501[17:32:16] <miesco> jelly: Okay my bad
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2502[17:32:21] * jelly pretends he didn't read anything *lalala*
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2503[17:32:28] <ashka> jelly: auto seems to work alright, thanks
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2504[17:32:36] <greycat> miesco: Alice can still use you as a
mule to transfer a file to Bob. She uploads to you, tells Bob the
exact filename, and Bob downloads it from your upload directory.
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2505[17:33:12] <han-solo> miesco: server address?
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2506[17:33:31] <greycat> Still, if you really do want to operate
in this legally dark grey area, then maybe FTP is appropriate.
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2512[17:35:38] <miesco> greycat: Why is that?
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2513[17:35:54] <jelly> !slap han-solo
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2514[17:35:54] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across
han-solo's face
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2516[17:36:21] <miesco> Well he is a smuggler
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2523[17:38:22] <han-solo> whaaat?
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2524[17:38:40] <han-solo> i was just looking to see, if i can
break it somehow
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2525[17:38:56] <han-solo> i mean the "world unreadable
directory" :)
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2526[17:39:23] <missmbob> so many people want to get banned today
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2527[17:39:40] <jelly> banned, frowned upon, same diff
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2528[17:39:40] <greycat> The uploader simply tells his intended
downloaders the exact filenames. Then they can be downloaded from
the "unreadable" directory.
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2529[17:40:08] <Kobaz> what about a post-upload script that does
a chmod o-r
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2530[17:40:11] <han-solo> will turn out i couldn't, anyway
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2531[17:40:16] <Kobaz> now the server is upload-only
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2533[17:40:40] <greycat> So what is the point of having the
upload directory at alL?
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2537[17:41:34] <miesco> greycat: For people to give me files
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2539[17:42:02] <han-solo> what files?
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2540[17:42:03] <greycat> OK. All the warnings have been given.
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2541[17:42:10] <greycat> You're on your own here.
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2542[17:42:24] <han-solo> the phrack ones? :)
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2544[17:43:06] <han-solo> Although the phrack ones, were fun.
Have you guys ever checked textfiles?
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2545[17:43:27] <miesco> greycat: I have umask 077 on all uploaded
files
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2547[17:44:16] <Ghostbird> miesco: But the FTP server can read
them right?
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2551[17:44:51] <Kobaz> oh and you should be using sftp
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2552[17:44:51] <greycat> And the FBI can read them if someone
tells them you've got child porn, and they seize your computer?
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2553[17:44:52] <Ghostbird> miesco: So as long as the FTP server
still offers downloads by exact name, they're still accessible.
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2554[17:45:24] <Kobaz> ftp needs to die a quick painless death
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2555[17:45:39] <greycat> (Or substitute a government agency of
your choice, if you are not within the FBI's jurisdiction.)
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2556[17:46:17] <jelly> honestly, ftp with ssl may be cumbersome
but is as secure as any other ssl/tls based service
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2559[17:46:51] <han-solo> forgive me, for my intriguing thoughts
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2560[17:46:54] <Ghostbird> greycat: Like FBI cares about
jurisdiction :)
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2561[17:46:58] <Kobaz> and tends to be firewall-unfriendly
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2562[17:47:06] <han-solo> what if someone, wget -r's it?
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2563[17:47:09] <Kobaz> because of still using split data/control
ports
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2564[17:47:18] <Kobaz> use sftp and be done with it
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2565[17:47:29] <han-solo> they can do that, right?
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2566[17:47:44] <greycat> No.
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2567[17:47:56] <greycat> Not unless they know the filenames.
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2568[17:48:10] <miesco> Ghostbird: I checked and its not
accessable
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2569[17:48:13] <han-solo> what would happen, i never done that
with ftp
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2570[17:48:32] <han-solo> but wget -r is supposed to fetch
recursively, no?
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2571[17:48:38] <greycat> wget -r only works if it can fetch
something that contains the names of the next things to fetch
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2574[17:49:02] <han-solo> okay
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2576[17:49:08] <miesco> unless you brute force the names
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2578[17:49:17] <Ghostbird> miesco: Well, good luck with your
probably rather pointless, and potentially highly illegal endeavour.
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2579[17:49:38] * miesco turns on ssl
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2580[17:50:11] <han-solo> :}
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2583[17:51:06] <jelly> let's just say there's a reason
there are no irc bots or ftp sites for warez any more, but private
trackers
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2585[17:51:38] <miesco> Well my ftp server is off because you
guys scared me (not the legal stuff, but the security stuff)
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2586[17:51:52] <jelly> good :-D
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2587[17:51:54] <jelly> !next
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2588[17:51:54] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2589[17:52:05] <han-solo> you've got pron! :D
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2590[17:52:08] <miesco> Oh no... it wont stop!
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2591[17:52:09] <han-solo> s/pron/porn
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2593[17:52:12] <han-solo> damn!
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2594[17:52:47] <miesco> ok nvm it stopped
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2601[17:54:59] <Manis> Is there a way to get an older kernel
build from jessie-backports?
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2602[17:55:22] <jhutchins> !archive
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2603[17:55:22] <dpkg> somebody said archive was a collection of
files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all
archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a
separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian
releases, see
replaced-url
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2604[17:55:22] <jelly> !snapshot
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2605[17:55:29] <greycat> Not explicitly *from* jessie-backports,
but you should be able to pull an older .deb file out of the pool.
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2606[17:55:51] <jelly> Manis, look at snapshot.debian.org
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2607[17:55:55] <greycat> !snapshot
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2608[17:55:55] <dpkg>
replaced-url
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2610[17:56:14] <greycat> Did my "/msg dpkg snapshot"
really prevent it from answering in the channel?
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2611[17:56:20] <jelly> apparently
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2612[17:56:43] <miesco> Oh, firefox doesn't support ftps by
default...
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2613[17:56:53] <greycat> ftps isn't a real thing.
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2615[17:57:16] <greycat> building a hack on top of FTP is about
as smart as... building a hack *on top of FTP*.
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2616[17:57:31] <Kobaz> ie: not very smart
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2618[17:59:01] <Manis> greycat, how do you mean not explicitly
from jessie-backports?
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2620[17:59:44] <greycat> I mean that there would not be some
apt-get command for it.
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2622[18:00:00] <greycat> Or at least it's not *likely*
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2626[18:02:26] <jelly> <dpkg> You already asked me
something 0 seconds ago. # LIES
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2634[18:06:20] <BadPractice> hi, i am trying to set up a mail
server on debian 8. So far i failed miserably 3 times. Anyone knows
where i can find intel, can help me?
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2639[18:07:31] <greycat> BadPractice: which mail server are you
trying to set up, and what problem are you having?
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2641[18:07:42] <greycat> ("which" meaning "which
software package")
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2650[18:09:41] <BadPractice> greycat: i was going for
postfix/dovcot. My problem is that i dont really know how stuff is
supposed to work with authentication. Most tutorials used sql. Do i
need that?
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2654[18:10:26] <BadPractice> grey i tried
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2658[18:11:36] <BadPractice> but im not sure if it is even what i
want. I am going to use the mail server all by myself. I dont need a
web interface and want all emails sent to philipp@badpractice.at
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2662[18:12:48] <BadPractice> greycat: do i make sense? :(
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2663[18:12:59] <greycat> If you simply want to forward ALL email
to that address, just use a simple exim setup with a smarthost and a
list of aliases.
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2667[18:14:09] <BadPractice> greycat: whats exim? :( something
simmelar to postfix?
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2668[18:14:28] <greycat> Fine, postfix then if you know postfix
better or if you wish to learn postfix instead.
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2669[18:14:31] <lorenzocabrini> BadPractice: it's another
SMTP server
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2670[18:14:50] <greycat> exim is the default in Debian and is
perfect adequate for simple cases like this
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2671[18:14:54] <greycat> +ly
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2672[18:15:09] <greycat> But there's nothing wrong with
postfix either.
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2676[18:16:15] <BadPractice> greycat: im not sure if simple cuts
it. i wanna be able to choose how to communicate with other servers
(like not alowing only tls)
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2677[18:16:31] <BadPractice> tsl
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2678[18:16:33] <BadPractice> whatever
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2679[18:16:45] <greycat> You said you just wanted to forward all
of the system's email to one address.
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2680[18:16:57] <greycat> Why are you NOW choosing to make it
super stupid complicated?
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2682[18:18:41] <BadPractice> greycat: ahm... ssl is not secure
anymore?
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2683[18:19:16] <greycat> What the hell, why are you WORRYING
about this shit?
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2685[18:19:39] <Flippylosaurus> BadPractice: since when is ssl
not secure?
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2686[18:19:45] <lorenzocabrini> BadPractice: communicating with
other mail servers can be much more complicated than you think these
days
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2688[18:20:09] <greycat> You want to forward all your mail to one
address. So you tell exim "use blah blah as my smart host"
and then you edit /etc/aliases and you tell it to forward root to
me@gmail and fred to me@gmail and so on and then you maybe run
newaliases and it's DONE. That's the WHOLE FUCKING
PROCESS.
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2690[18:20:23] <Spec> ssl insecure. solution: disable it, prefer
plaintext. scan results: passing
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2692[18:20:58] <Spec> i have had people literaaaalllly want to do
this
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2693[18:21:15] <teclo-> ssl not secure ?
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2695[18:21:19] <Spec> teclo-: pls
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2696[18:21:22] <greycat> Do people ACTUALLY think that EMAIL is
secure?!
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2697[18:21:27] <Spec> ^
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2698[18:21:33] <BadPractice> greycat: gmail? i want to connect to
my mail server with thunderbird
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2699[18:21:40] <teclo-> well email is insecure by design
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2701[18:22:08] <greycat> BadPractice: GMAIL, HOTMAIL, I
DON'TCAREMAIL. You gave some stupid forwarding address with .at
on the end. I did not feel like scrolling back up and hunting for it
to copy/paste it. So I just plugged in gmail.
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2703[18:22:21] <greycat> Whatever you forward to, it's the
same thing.
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2704[18:22:22] <teclo-> when they created SMTP, only competent
guys in universities had root on the servers
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2705[18:22:42] <BadPractice> greycat: yea i could do that but
thats neighter what i want nor what i asked for?
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2707[18:23:16] <greycat> I give up.
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2708[18:23:38] <greycat> You said you wanted all your mail to go
to the whoever@whatever.at address. Now you say you don't. I
don't know how to help you.
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2713[18:25:12] <BadPractice> greycat: i have a domain
badpractice.at. i want all mails who go to *@badpractice.at
delivered to philipp@badpractice.at. I figured that i connect to
philipp@badpractice.at with imap/tls/plain password or something
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2720[18:27:02] <BadPractice> okey anyone can give me hints
setting up a postfix/coldov mailserver?
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2721[18:27:21] <Spec>
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2726[18:28:20] <jhutchins> BadPractice: Actually, that's
fairly simple to do if you read the docs.
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2728[18:28:41] <jhutchins> BadPractice: greycat thought you
wanted to forward to another server.
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2736[18:31:47] <FaTony> hi, how can I open all files with
specific extension in a directory and replace text inside them?
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2742[18:33:02] <lorenzocabrini> FaTony: cat *.txt | sed
's/something/else/g'
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2744[18:33:16] <lorenzocabrini> at least that's the starting
point
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2745[18:33:25] <lorenzocabrini> sed offers a lot
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2749[18:33:56] <lorenzocabrini> g is global so if you don't
want to do global replace you can leave that out as well
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2750[18:34:09] <FaTony> lorenzocabrini, thanks, will it look in
subdirectories? what if I have slash inside the text I want to
replace?
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2752[18:34:47] <lorenzocabrini> for slashes, use backspace. For
subdirectories use, **/*.txt, at least on zsh
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2754[18:35:40] <lorenzocabrini> haven't used bash since i
had a buggy bash on an old mandrake dist
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2758[18:36:39] <missmbob> FaTony: what he said won't work.
ask the #bash guys
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2760[18:37:07] <FaTony> ok thanks
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2761[18:37:19] <lorenzocabrini> missmbob: what, the **/* part?
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2762[18:37:24] <yaymuffins> Hello, I have a question, I'm
trying to use OpenVPN in Bridge mode, I have 2 physical interface,
WAN and LAN, I also have a vlan (WAN.832) and the bridge when
it's up (br0)
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2764[18:37:52] <yaymuffins> Right now when I ifup the brige, 32
seconds later, I loss connectivity on LAN
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2767[18:38:18] <missmbob> lorenzocabrini: the cat part. you need
a for loop with sed
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2768[18:38:42] <yaymuffins> Here the br0 config in
/etc/network/interfaces:
replaced-url
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2769[18:38:59] <BadPractice> jhutchins: the documentaition is
well ritten so far but im not sure if this is the right aproach. i
dont know if i can get that working with caldov, if i get it
configured to be state of the art secure and if i will ever finish
reading this + coldov docu entirely
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2770[18:39:02] <missmbob> lorenzocabrini: for what he wants, that
is
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2772[18:39:14] <lorenzocabrini> missmbob: i use it all the time.
No need for a for loop. At least not with s///
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2773[18:39:22] <missmbob> lorenzocabrini: for what he wants
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2774[18:39:33] <yaymuffins> Anyone has an idea how I could make
it so LAN still work while bridge is up?
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2775[18:39:45] <lorenzocabrini> i was interested in knowing if
bash supports **/* because i just realized i really don't have
a clue
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2780[18:41:00] <miesco> Two questions. 1) Is there php file
managers that support public, anonymous downloads? 2) I realize ftp
is outdated, but I do not see any _security_ issues if it is just an
anonymous server serving content (with an upload dir). It may
corrupt things, have too many handshakes, but I do not see anything
as a security threat in this scenariou. I am correct?
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2784[18:42:16] <mutante> miesco: http apache ?
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2785[18:42:19] <BadPractice> at installation postfix asks me what
configuration i want. What do i want?
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2788[18:43:22] <missmbob> miesco: since this has been beaten to
death for well over an hour now ...maybe #debian-offtopic? it's
not a debian support issue
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2789[18:43:53] <miesco> mutante: Sorry, I mean one were you can
download directories as well
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2790[18:44:03] <mutante> miesco: wget -r
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2791[18:44:07] <teraflops> BadPractice: how the hell are we
supposed to know what you want?
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2792[18:44:54] <BadPractice> jhutchins: what is a smarthost? do i
want "Internet with smarthost" if i use coldov?
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2794[18:45:29] <mutante> BadPractice: it's a mail relay
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2796[18:46:01] <mutante> like when another server forwards the
mail for you
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2797[18:46:20] <BadPractice> i guess i stick with no
configuration then...
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2798[18:46:28] <teraflops> yaymuffins: last time I setup openvpn
in bridge mode I followed
replaced-url
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2799[18:46:52] <mutante> BadPractice: eh, i guess this definition
is right "A smarthost is a mail relay that is specialized to
deal with outbound email. "
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2800[18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> i'm
looking for a cheap VPS. specs are not a issue
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2801[18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> idfk where
to look
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2802[18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> as most
providers on lowendbox.com are just resellers
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2803[18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> which go
bankrupt in 3 weeks or smth
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Please use
replaced-url
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2806[18:47:49] <Flippylosaurus> wow.
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2808[18:47:57] <Flippylosaurus> couldnt even copypaste a simple
question
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2809[18:48:08] <teraflops> Flippylosaurus: take a look at
replaced-url
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2811[18:48:54] <Flippylosaurus> teraflops: was trying to say that
but most providers there are resellers which probably go bankrupt as
soon as they appear
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2812[18:49:23] <mutante> Flippylosaurus: ovh.com is pretty cheap
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2813[18:49:33] <teraflops> Flippylosaurus: that's why you
read the threads and the user comments
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2814[18:49:50] <Flippylosaurus> mutante: do they accept PayPal?
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2819[18:51:34] <mutante> Flippylosaurus: i dont know. it might
depend which country you are in. they are in France.
replaced-url
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2820[18:52:20] <Flippylosaurus> mutante: ah. dont wanna risk it
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2821[18:52:23] <mutante> one of the sponsors of Letsencrypt gets
a bonus point
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2822[18:53:07] <mutante> what type of risk do you mean here
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2824[18:54:05] <curtis22> Flippylosaurus,
replaced-url
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2825[18:54:05] <teraflops> mutante: cisco and facebook are
sponsors too is this a bonus ;P
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2831[18:55:04] <teraflops> Flippylosaurus: oh, try
replaced-url
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2832[18:55:08] <mutante> teraflops: oh.. eh.. for Cisco yes,
Facebook never, j/k :)
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2834[18:55:14] <teraflops> heh
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2841[18:56:36] <yaymuffins> teraflops, when I launch their script
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2842[18:56:56] <yaymuffins> I immediately get disconnected from
the machine
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2843[18:56:59] <teraflops> which script?
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2845[18:57:08] <yaymuffins> bridge-start
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2847[18:57:13] <yaymuffins> Internet (WAN to LAN) still work
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2848[18:57:21] <teraflops> ah sorry vpn
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2851[18:57:46] <yaymuffins> but the machine itself (9.1) is not
accessible at all, neither from the LAN or the WAN.
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2861[18:59:04] <teraflops> yaymuffins: yeah that's fine,
check the routes, the default one and and fix/add it if necessary
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2866[19:00:33] <teraflops> yaymuffins: if youre in a vps remote
machine that can be a problem, unless you have a serial console
available or something like that
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2867[19:00:40] <teraflops> vps/remote
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2877[19:04:19] <yaymuffins> teraflops, machine is at home
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2878[19:04:27] <yaymuffins> seem like it's disconnecting LAN
completely
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2881[19:04:59] <teraflops> yeah because I guess you have not a
default route after doing the bridge-start
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2888[19:07:48] <yaymuffins> that's my route before the
script
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2889[19:07:50] <yaymuffins>
replaced-url
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2895[19:09:00] <teraflops> and after the script?
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2899[19:10:13] <teraflops> also which is the br iface there?
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2903[19:11:16] <yaymuffins> 2 sec, rebooted as it acted
differently then
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2906[19:12:55] <teraflops> yaymuffins: this is mine with openvn
in bridge mode
replaced-url
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2909[19:13:33] <yaymuffins> and for some reason right now, it
seem to work?!
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2915[19:15:33] <teraflops> for quick and dirty test try appending
the default route you had to to bottom of bridge-start.sh e.g (here)
route add default gw 192.168.199.1. if that works you kno you have
to deal with your routes
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2916[19:15:41] <teraflops> to the*
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2917[19:16:19] <teraflops> I have a cat to feed im out for few
minutes :P
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2923[19:19:17] <yaymuffins> LAN work, WAN seem to work too
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2924[19:19:24] <yaymuffins> Bind9 died however.
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2930[19:22:17] <teraflops> yaymuffins: well that's not bad,
you only have to fix bind9 then
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2938[19:25:53] <Mikerhinos> hi all, new to Debian (coming from
Ubuntu). I'm installing Nvidia driver (pretty complicated
compared to Ubuntu :( ), if I want to use Steam I do have to do
svn-buildpackage --svn-ignore --svn-arch=i386 -us -uc -rfakeroot ?
Because the doc isn't very clear if it will install only the
needed files or the full 32bits driver
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2942[19:27:19] <missmbob> !steam
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2943[19:27:19] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and
management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged
in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable
<multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with
upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net.
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2944[19:27:27] <missmbob> yeah, no svn reference there
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2947[19:28:22] <yaymuffins> I have to leave for now, well, at
least, I still have network for now x)
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2948[19:28:22] <yaymuffins> and I spoke too fast
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2950[19:28:54] <yaymuffins> once openvpn was started, loose all
connectivity (LAN and WAN) on others machines.
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2952[19:29:36] <Mikerhinos> missmbob, So it's safe to go
with the doc command ? Don't want to mess driver installation
and reboot on a TTY console lol
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2954[19:30:06] <missmbob> Mikerhinos: if there's a page on
wiki.debian.org on something *always* use that
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2955[19:30:11] <leba2> In general, if dual-booting with windows,
is it recommended to better set windows's system clock to UTC
instead of Linux to local?
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2956[19:30:23] <Ghostbird> Mikerhinos: What do you mean a
complicated process compared to Ubuntu?
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2957[19:30:23] <Ghostbird> Enable non-free repositories, (you
could've done this during installation when asked, if you knew
you wanted Steam & NVIDIA)
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2958[19:30:23] <Ghostbird> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
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2959[19:30:23] <Ghostbird> sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver
steam
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2961[19:30:29] <missmbob> Mikerhinos: you get in trouble on
debian when you fuck around with other docs
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2966[19:31:29] <greycat> leba2: If you *can* set windows to UTC,
why would you not do that? It's just so blatantly, obviously
better. We had the option in the past because Windows
*couldn't* do the right thing.
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2969[19:33:00] <teraflops> yaymuffins: idk about your network..
and you didn't describe it. you'll have to addapt that
script to your situation obviously.
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2970[19:33:02] <Mikerhinos> Ghostbird, On Ubuntu you have a
"additionnal driver" window, it scans your hardware, and
if you have an Nvidia graphic card, you only have to check like
"install proprietary driver", and it does all
automatically
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2971[19:33:11] <leba2> greycat: aaaahhh. Thanks. And yes, I read
windows could not do it the right way prior to windows 7.
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2972[19:33:41] <greycat> ghostbird hasn't rejoined yet
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2978[19:36:02] <ctmjr> Mikerhinos: here steam is easy on debian
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2983[19:37:58] <leba2> Was ghostbir's really flooding?
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2989[19:40:56] <missmbob> leba2: policy is you're not
supposed to do more than two lines. he did a few. /msg dpkg paste
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2992[19:41:44] <missmbob> leba2: also /msg dpkg enter
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2996[19:42:17] <Flippylosaurus> test
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3000[19:42:59] <Flippylosaurus> testing testing 123
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3001[19:43:08] <Flippylosaurus> seems that my connection is
broken
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3002[19:43:08] <Flippylosaurus> rip
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3003[19:43:20] <missmbob> Flippylosaurus: /msg dpkg if you want
to test. don't flood us
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3007[19:44:28] <Flippylosaurus> missmbob: thank you
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3042[19:56:07] <mutante> after converting an Ubuntu system to
jessie, i am missing a package for chromium-browser ..hmm
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3045[19:56:46] <mtn> mutante: how did you "convert"
ubuntu to debian?
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3046[19:56:48] <missmbob> there is no "converting"
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3047[19:56:48] <greycat> "converting"
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3048[19:56:59] <missmbob> and yes, debian uses chromium, not
chrome
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3051[19:57:14] <greycat> you can also get google-chrome from a
google repository if you prefer
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3053[19:57:24] <mutante> i used the word converting because i
reinstalled but applied the same puppet classes
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3056[19:57:50] <missmbob> !tell mutante about chromium
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3057[19:57:55] <mutante> thanks
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3061[19:58:33] <mutante> missmbob: ok, but it says chromium is
what's missing
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3065[19:59:32] <croddy> mutante then there is probably a bug in
your puppet class. i can take a quick look if you want to discuss it
in #puppet
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3069[20:00:00] <mutante> croddy: it's just that "E:
Package 'chromium-browser' has no installation
candidate"
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3070[20:00:14] <missmbob> yes. it's called chromium
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3071[20:00:17] <missmbob> ,v chromium
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3072[20:00:18] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.9.14.1-2; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 50.0.2661.94-1~deb8u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; sid: 51.0.2704.79-1; stretch: 51.0.2704.79-1
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3073[20:00:30] <croddy> if you are not going to read the link
that dpkg messaged you then i rescind my offer
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3074[20:00:33] <mutante> oh :) that was easy
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3080[20:02:45] <mutante> yes, thanks. i read the wiki page
(sheehs, that was all within the same minute)
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3082[20:03:42] <mtn> heh
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3086[20:04:44] <awal1> How to list manually installed pkgs? I
know I can check apt logs, but wondering if I can make dpkg
--get-selections or apt/aptitude show only manual installs
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3090[20:05:09] <greycat> awal1: dpkg -l
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3095[20:08:12] <awal1> greycat, yeah I know about dpkg -l but the
output is similar to --get-selections. My idea is make dpkg or any
other system packaging tool list installed pkgs filtering them by
automatically installed and manually installed
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3096[20:08:42] <greycat> oh, you'd need aptitude for that
probably
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3110[20:12:58] <Elvano> Hey lot. I'm currently trying to
reinstalling Debian on my laptop. I wanted to encrypt my disk but as
I selected an encrypted volume I accidently forgot to reserve some
space for my boot partition. Is there a way, from the installer, to
remove the encrypted volume?
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3113[20:15:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, if you see none and have it
in front of you...
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3116[20:15:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can always drop out to a
shell and do stuff
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3118[20:16:49] <Elvano> I'm sorry, I didn't quite get
that
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3122[20:19:20] <croddy> the partitioner in the installer has a
way to discard the changes and start over.
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3123[20:19:24] <missmbob> you'd probably already be done if
you had just started over
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3127[20:21:38] <Elvano> That would help if it were a partition
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3128[20:22:26] <Elvano> But I think I'll have to use the lvm
tools from the shell for this then
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3129[20:22:37] <missmbob> i'm not even going to pretend that
made sense
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3135[20:25:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's interesting the
installer lets you have an encrypted lvm without an unencrypted
/boot
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3138[20:26:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> some guy claimed he didn't
have an unencrypted /boot... I can't imagine how that would be
supposed to work
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3143[20:28:11] <missmbob> CutMeOwnThroat: it's possible
it's a just a serious pain in the ass.
replaced-url
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3145[20:28:36] <missmbob> CutMeOwnThroat: and pointless imo
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3151[20:31:17] <DammitJim> do you guys know if there is an easy
way to set up exim to only send emails to certain domains and email
addresses?
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3154[20:31:24] <DexterF> hi
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3162[20:33:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm. interesting
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3165[20:33:48] <jhutchins> CutMeOwnThroat: encrypted root
requires that grub/initrd have the ability to decrypt.
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3167[20:33:57] <DexterF> smartctl reports for one SSD "total
LBA written 1447823829" - how much is 1 LB? the drive's
block size? how to tell?
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3170[20:34:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, but they can
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3171[20:34:23] <itaipu> sad thing this bug:
replaced-url
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3172[20:34:24] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3173[20:34:28] <itaipu> in strecht ?
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3175[20:34:52] <missmbob> itaipu: see /topic. stretch support is
in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, not here.
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3177[20:35:37] <jhutchins> missmbob: We do support testing and
even unstable here, there's just not as much expertise.
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3178[20:35:59] <jhutchins> missmbob: Many of the people here
don't run them, whereas most in D-N do.
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3180[20:36:06] <missmbob> yeah, like we support bash but still
point people to #bash. best place for help is useful
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3185[20:36:40] <missmbob> jhutchins: i'm not sure why you
felt the need
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3188[20:37:48] <itaipu> missmbob: cannot join it. Have to have an
invatation
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3190[20:38:05] <missmbob> itaipu: because you didn't read it
carefully. irc.oftc.net. you're on freenode right now
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3191[20:38:07] <jhutchins> itaipu: It's on
oftc.net/irc.debian.net
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3194[20:38:35] <itaipu> hum... thks
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3206[20:41:47] <awal1> About apt-mark showauto/showmanual in man
apt-mark I see "All automatically installed packages will be
listed if no package is given." So apt-mark showauto/showmanual
works and the list is so long :P But I dont understand "if no
package is given" part.
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3209[20:42:09] <greycat> Seems pretty clear.
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3214[20:42:30] <awal1> apt-mark showauto xfce4 returns 0 output
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3215[20:42:38] <greycat> because it wasn't in the list
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3216[20:42:52] <greycat> now try with something that's IN
the list
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3222[20:44:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> I can foresee the next 100
questions... like ... xterm is on my list
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3224[20:45:13] <greycat> Mine too, and that's the same one I
tested.
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3228[20:47:13] <awal1> greycat, I dont understand how it works.
apt-mark showmanual lists mate-desktop-environment, for example, but
how I can check which pkgs mate-desktop-environment have installed
automatically. I only want that (example)
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3229[20:47:41] <greycat> How would I know? You're the one
who found apt-mark. I've never even heard of it.
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3230[20:47:53] <awal1> :D
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3231[20:47:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> hehe... same here
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3233[20:48:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> actually... that question is
wrong
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3235[20:48:38] <greycat> I suspect you're looking for
information that *does not get stored*. Information about events in
the past.
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3236[20:48:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, apt-cache rdepends
<package>
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3237[20:49:07] <greycat> Each package that is installed *right
now* is marked as either "manual" or
"automatic". No hierarchy, no relation graphs....
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3239[20:49:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, *I* think he wants to know
the reason why that package is present/installed and can't be
removed with autoremove
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3240[20:49:50] <greycat> If A depends on B and A is currently
installed and marked manual, and B is currently installed and marked
automatic, you don't whether B was brought in because of A or
because of Q.
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3241[20:50:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> so maybe you make clearer what
you want to know
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3242[20:50:16] <missmbob> god i hate Q
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3246[20:51:42] <awal1> the last greycat message is the current
"problem"
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3248[20:51:50] <zifxify> Little guide which I wrote how to
install debian jessie (lvm on luks) from a debian-standard iso:
replaced-url
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3249[20:52:06] <zifxify> actually stretch
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3252[20:52:16] <missmbob> ugh.
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3253[20:52:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, why is that a problem
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3254[20:52:37] <awal1> CutMeOwnThroat, my questions are almost
related to removals
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3257[20:53:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, what is it?
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3259[20:54:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can see where/why an
automatically installed package was installed in the apt or aptitude
and in the dpkg logs
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3260[20:54:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> but what's the point
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3261[20:54:26] <awal1> so bcoz I usually no install recommends
& suggests but when pkg C is installed by pkg B as dependencie
and recommended by pkg A, if you remove pkg B, pkg C still there
bcoz A recommends it :P
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3263[20:55:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> and then you do an apt-get
autoremove and they're all gone
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3264[20:55:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> so?
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3267[20:55:47] <awal1> C doesn't go bcoz in fact A
recommends it
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3271[20:58:19] <awal1> C installed by B as dependency apt wont
consider it when autoremoving bcoz originally A recommends it
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3272[20:58:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> not if you have disabled them
permanently
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3273[20:58:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> although I can't say I
tested that
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3274[20:58:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg apt-recommends
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3275[20:58:38] <dpkg> Packages required in all but unusual cases
(that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called
"recommended" packages. By not installing these packages,
you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once,
"aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get
--no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable
permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" >
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
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3305[21:09:54] <awal1> Resuming "If A depends on B and A is
currently installed and marked manual, and B is currently installed
and marked automatic, you don't whether B was brought in
because of A or because of Q." as greycat said is a nice
deduction. thats my current problem. Anyway, thanks for your time
guys. No problems here, just trying to learn & understand debian
packaging system/tools...
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3318[21:14:55] <zifxify> Check out this site for customizing
GUI's:
replaced-url
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3319[21:15:32] <missmbob> zifxify: why do you just keep pasting
shit?
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3320[21:15:47] <zifxify> missmbob: maybe useful
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3321[21:15:51] <zifxify> ?
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3322[21:15:55] <missmbob> zifxify: no one asked. that's spam
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3327[21:16:15] <missmbob> zifxify: if you want go to
#debian-offtopic
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3341[21:21:00] <CuteMeOwnThroat> why would I get "No route
to host" to my work pc at uni (traceroute showing only a
response from localhost) while I can connect to another host at the
same university without problems
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3344[21:22:08] <jhutchins> Isn't there a rule that UIDs
above a certain value can't open lower-numberd ports (like 80)?
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3345[21:22:24] <greycat> those values are 0 and 1024
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3346[21:22:28] <croddy> :)
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3347[21:22:37] <greycat> unless you change things in this crazy
linux-only capacity stuff
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3348[21:22:57] <greycat> an equally sensible strategy is to
IGNORE that and just treat linux like unix
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3364[21:30:20] <dka> I am tryin to tar all the folders from a
folder by giving to the tar command the -C arguments (change working
directory), however, this work if I add after a folder name but
doesn't if I had "." or * at the end of the tar
command. Any suggestion?
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3365[21:30:32] <greycat> Don't crosspost your question to
multiple channels.
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3368[21:31:14] <dka> ok :|
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