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1 [00:00:24] <sine0> ok cool chaddy. Do I need to format the
usb first
2 [00:00:37] <fryguy> no
3 [00:00:45] <zykotick9> sine0: NO, it will over write
everything.
4 [00:00:45] <chaddy> sine0: no, dd will blast it down to the
foundations
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11 [00:03:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> vic, this is different... you
don't copy it on the filesystem on the stick, you copy it to
the raw device... windows has no raw devices exposed like that
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14 [00:04:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> sine0, make sure you don't
write to the wrong device
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19 [00:06:20] <sine0> hehe
20 [00:06:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, no kidding
21 [00:06:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> if it's gone, it's gone
22 [00:07:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> …and only your backups
remain
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25 [00:09:01] <sine0> when using dd for a 600mb file, isnt it a
good idea to set the packetsize
26 [00:09:04] <sine0> or byte buffer thing
27 [00:09:14] <sine0> like one is quicker than the other if i
remember
28 [00:09:14] <TomTomTosch> just use cp.
29 [00:09:36] <TomTomTosch> cp is used in the official docs.
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33 [00:11:23] <TomTomTosch>
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36 [00:16:00] <miesco> How do I stop mpd from running by the
systeM? (I run as user)
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40 [00:18:00] <TomTomTosch> if you don't want a service to
run on startup you can use systemctl disable mpd.service or
systemctl stop if you just want to stop it for now.
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44 [00:20:50] <miesco> Is it normal to have like 7
dbus-launch's running?
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72 [00:34:44] <miesco> ?
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98 [00:49:09] <doebi> when is the chromium package going to be
updated?
99 [00:49:42] <doebi> i am waiting for a bugfix for more than
six weeks now.
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101 [00:50:52] <TomTomTosch> ask google when the next chromium
version comes out?
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103 [00:51:11] <x86iac> do you think they are just waiting for
you to raise real hell?
104 [00:51:33] <jelly> ,v chromium
105 [00:51:34] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.9.14.1-2; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 50.0.2661.94-1~deb8u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; stretch: 51.0.2704.79-1; sid: 51.0.2704.79-1
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110 [00:53:17] <x86iac> turns out they are waiting for you to
post a youtube video of you yelling and screaming for the next
release ..
111 [00:53:25] <BaW> damn
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113 [00:54:35] <jelly> TomTomTosch, upstream is at 51.0.2704.10
114 [00:54:39] <jelly> .106
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117 [00:56:00] <jelly>
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120 [00:57:12] <sine0> damn. changing the SSD 128GB in my new HP
laptop for a spare 500GB scsi will not work because there is no
connections for the harddrive and the SSD is smaller than the ram
slot! might as well be a usb drive ffs
121 [00:57:36] <sine0> now i will have to clonezilla the ssd with
windows 10 to keep my license
122 [00:57:43] <sine0> amirite
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147 [01:15:21] <TomTomTosch> fine, i retract my statement and
change it to "as soon as the changes in upstream warrant a
version bump". which a few patches don't.
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154 [01:17:12] <x86iac> TomTomTosch: to late ... i already edited
the video of trigglypuff to demand the new version ... and sent it
for you ;)
155 [01:17:34] <x86iac>
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165 [01:21:34] <TomTomTosch> why the mockery? his question was
justified.
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171 [01:23:16] <doebi> trolls be trolling
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175 [01:27:02] <tom99> uh did TomTomTosch refer to himself in the
3rd person there? o_o
176 [01:27:25] <TomTomTosch> did he?
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179 [01:29:07] <TomTomTosch> no, i did not refer to myself.
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182 [01:30:08] <sl4v3> can anyone tell me how to enable anonymous
access to openldap?
183 [01:30:26] <sl4v3> i'm trying to get an answer to this,
but all i find are legacy solutions for when there's an actual
slapd.conf.
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192 [01:35:32] <x86iac> self trolling?
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195 [01:36:41] <x86iac> sl4v3: is this what you didn't want
in slapd.conf ? <who> ::= * | [anonymous | users | self |
dn[.<basic-style>]=<regex> |
dn.<scope-style>=<DN>]
196 [01:37:52] <x86iac> why don't you want to have a
slapd.conf?
197 [01:38:19] <sl4v3> x86iac: well, i guess that's the
"old" way. :)
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205 [01:41:14] <sl4v3> x86iac: slapd configuration is just laid
out in /etc/ldap/slapd.d
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207 [01:42:20] <x86iac> what is the 'new' way? do you
have a link
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209 [01:44:18] <Neo> anyone know how to get ifup to do more
logging?
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211 [01:44:32] <Neo> all I have in my syslog is: "ifup[505]:
RTNETLINK answers: File exists"
212 [01:44:43] <Neo> which is kinda ambiguous
213 [01:44:46] <sl4v3> x86iac: i have no idea. that's what
i'm trying to find out. at present, it seems to require
authentication.
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218 [01:47:28] <x86iac> Neo: can you start the driver in
'debug' mode? it should go to /var/log/messages (i
compiled my driver in debug mode and it bombarded my
/var/log/messages)
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225 [01:49:27] <Neo> x86iac: I think its a config issue, not a
driver issue. I've added scripts to my /etc/network/interfaces
file and I think that's what's causing me pain
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227 [01:50:02] <x86iac> in your *syslog.conf file kern.*
/var/log/messages
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229 [01:50:29] <Neo> AH wait I've got it 'ip -6 route
add default via <gw> dev eth0' throws up
230 [01:50:52] <Neo> probably because my v6 tunnel gets started
before eth0 for some reason
231 [01:51:18] <x86iac> if all else fails bring up eth0 in
/etc/rc.local
232 [01:51:41] <x86iac> i had to do that so eth0 would be up
before sshd started
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243 [02:06:05] <vjacob> hi all. is there any way to check from
within linux (debian 8.5), whether or not a certain PCI(e) slot is
taken or not? I've looked at /proc and at lspci but none of
these seem to offer a clear output
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245 [02:06:54] <x86iac> lshw
246 [02:07:55] <mutante> vjacob: lspci -t shows a tree
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248 [02:09:03] <vjacob> mutante, I've looked at that, but it
does not seem to give me the detail level, which I would like as in
("free slot")
249 [02:09:49] <mutante> vjacob: -t -vvv ? in my case i have some
lines like this:
250 [02:09:54] <mutante> +-1c.0-[02]--
251 [02:09:59] <mutante> is that a free slot?
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253 [02:10:52] <vjacob> I also tried with -vv yeah, perhaps I
will look at it again. mean while someone suggest lshw and dmideco
254 [02:11:30] <bazhang> dmidecode
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259 [02:13:20] <vjacob> yeah, sorry, typoed
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262 [02:16:55] <Winux> Hello
263 [02:16:57] <Winux> How can I close all other programs except
the one in focus with the command line?
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265 [02:18:15] <x86iac> thats a tough one - combo of wmctrl...
rename windows not in focus to name1 then pkill -f name1?
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268 [02:19:10] <x86iac> or xdotool to move mouse to all
non-focused windows and click 'x' ;)
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273 [02:21:41] <Winux> x86iac: I have both xdotool and wmctrl
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281 [02:25:33] <x86iac> there is also xwininfo
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283 [02:27:28] <Winux> x86iac: What does xwininfo do
284 [02:27:42] <x86iac> here is a good page for using xdotool to
figure out focused/active window
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287 [02:28:29] <x86iac> the xprop one looks good too
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289 [02:30:37] <Winux> x86iac: The focused window will always be
the same
290 [02:31:29] <x86iac> then easy to find the windows
numbers/names of the others
291 [02:31:38] <x86iac> wmctrl -c them
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294 [02:32:54] <Winux> x86iac: I know the name of the focused
window, but not the unfocused windows
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301 [02:40:09] <Neo> how does networking start exactly?
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304 [02:41:39] <x86iac> start script called network
305 [02:41:53] <x86iac> it calls tons of other scripts
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313 [02:47:27] <Neo> aye
314 [02:47:39] <Neo> there's a verbose flag in
/etc/init.d/netowrking
315 [02:47:46] <Neo> wasn't aware of that
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317 [02:48:02] <Neo> that explained everything that was happening
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319 [02:50:12] <x86iac> networking or network?
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333 [03:04:17] <Neo> /etc/init.d/networking
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397 [03:58:06] <joe_____> Does the AllowUsers directive in
sshd_config, as well as allowing users, disallow everybody else even
if they have the appropriate keys set up?
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406 [04:01:44] <Amun_Ra> mhm
407 [04:02:03] <rjsalts> joe_____: man sshd_config -> If
specified, login is allowed only for user names that match one of
the patterns. The allow/deny directives are processed in the
following order: DenyUsers, AllowUsers, DenyGroups, and finally
AllowGroups.
408 [04:02:07] <mutante> The pattern matching occurs in the
following order: DenyUsers,AllowUsers,DenyGroups,AllowGroups. Which
means that, for example, if you add a user to both entries
(AllowUsers and DenyUsers) this would result in the user being
denied no matter the order in which the rules appear in the config
script.
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411 [04:02:44] <mutante> that sounds like you want "Deny
*" "Allow someuser"
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413 [04:03:00] <mutante> but then they would get denied
414 [04:03:48] <dumppy> I'm at the end of my roap and I know
i'm in the wrong place but I'm hoping someone can point me
somewhere. I'm trying to configure isc-dhcp-server to issue
IPv6 addresses on my network (already working with IPv4) and
I'm just getting nowhere. Has anyone gotten it to work or can
you suggest another channel to look for help.
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416 [04:04:08] <Hello71> you probably don't want dhcpv6
417 [04:04:09] <rjsalts> AllowUsers is a whitelist, it denies
everyone else. Presumably if you had someone in Deny and Allow then
they'd be denied, but if you had nothing in Deny and entries in
Allow then only those in Allow would be able to log in
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419 [04:04:20] <dumppy> Hello71: why do you say that?
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421 [04:04:45] <Hello71> if you think you want it just because
"it's ipv6", you probably don't really want it
422 [04:05:33] <mutante> dumppy: IPv6 uses something called
autoconf
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424 [04:05:50] <dumppy> reason I was going to it is my ISP pushed
out an update to my modem witch is now issuing RA IPv6 IP's and
it's replacing my local DNS info with theirs so nothing is
getting resolved locally
425 [04:06:01] <Hello71> !xy
426 [04:06:01] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
427 [04:06:03] <Dagger> dumppy: unless you actually need DHCPv6
for some reason, I wouldn't bother. just use SLAAC
428 [04:06:04] <Hello71> !b1
429 [04:06:07] * Hello71 grumbles
430 [04:06:09] <snfgf> Does the AllowUser directive implicitly
disallow every user that isn't explicitly listed?
431 [04:06:16] <snfgf> for sshd_config
432 [04:06:16] <rjsalts> if you want to assign ip addresses to a
specific DUUID to a specific client
433 [04:06:29] <Hello71> <greybot> bashphorism 1: the
questioner's first description of the problem/question will be
misleading.
434 [04:06:34] <rjsalts> snfgf: see above it reads that way
435 [04:06:53] <Hello71> snfgf: how else would it work
436 [04:07:03] <Hello71> "allow these users... and also all
the other ones" ???
437 [04:07:13] <Dagger> dumppy: oh, well. in that case fix the
"modem" (which must clearly be a router)
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441 [04:07:37] <dumppy> Dagger: correct, it's acting as the
router as well
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443 [04:07:42] <Hello71> more accurately a "home gateway
solution"
444 [04:07:53] <Dagger> "solution"
445 [04:07:56] <rjsalts> snfgf: man sshd_config -> If
specified, login is allowed only for user names that match one of
the patterns. The allow/deny directives are processed in the
following order: DenyUsers, AllowUsers, DenyGroups, and finally
AllowGroups.
446 [04:07:57] <dumppy> only way I see around it is to bridge the
IP and configure my own router
447 [04:07:58] <Dagger> usually more the problem
448 [04:08:01] <Hello71> which usually does modem routing and
wifi all badly
449 [04:08:02] <x86iac> if you want the users to have specific
other options then use Match users
450 [04:08:16] <Dagger> yeah, stick it in bridge mode and use
your own router
451 [04:08:26] <Hello71> then it can only do modem badly
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454 [04:08:42] <dumppy> Hello71: LOL Very true
455 [04:08:59] <dumppy> Just don't have the extra hardware
for it at the moment
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457 [04:10:00] <dumppy> I know it's a pain in the butt but
figured maybe this might be the thing to light the fire under my ass
and learn IPv6
458 [04:10:10] <x86iac> rj-45 on cell phone and then use the
'modem'
459 [04:10:18] <dumppy> I just can't find anyone posting
anything online having anything working
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461 [04:10:24] <rjsalts> dumppy: can you just block the RA in
iptables?
462 [04:10:41] <Dagger> v6 is mostly just v4 with more bits
463 [04:10:43] <rjsalts> dumppy: or on your modem/router
464 [04:10:45] <dumppy> that's a thought, it is one specific
ip
465 [04:10:59] <dumppy> I checked the modem / router no way to
disable it
466 [04:11:01] <dumppy> POS
467 [04:11:11] <mutante> dumppy:
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470 [04:11:26] <mutante> dumppy: you can do "autoconf"
or stateless DHCP or stateful DHCP , see link above
471 [04:11:36] <Dagger> rjsalts: or just disable the DNS part on
the client
472 [04:11:36] <mutante> and the part "Which of these option
should be used is a subject of controversy in the networking
community. " heh
473 [04:11:52] <Dagger> which... hm. is probably done by rdnss on
most Debian systems
474 [04:11:56] <dumppy> checking link but I have tried to do
stateful DHCP without luck
475 [04:12:11] <Dagger> but if you have network-manager or
systemd-networkd then pff, you're on your own
476 [04:12:14] <rjsalts> looks like the problem is that the isp
is doing "stateless DHCP" for handing out caching
resolvers
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481 [04:13:18] <Dagger> or dhcpcd, I think that does funky stuff
too
482 [04:13:29] <dumppy> rjsalts: that's exactly what's
going on so I was hoping to over ride it with a stateful DHCP
483 [04:13:40] <dumppy> I'm going to read this artical and
check back in
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485 [04:13:52] <dumppy> thanks for the advice everyone
486 [04:14:16] <rjsalts> dumppy: it sounds pretty weird that your
router would forward RAs from your isp no questions asked without
having some ipv6 support
487 [04:14:18] <Dagger> staeful DHCP only does addresses though,
not DNS servers
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491 [04:15:16] <rjsalts> the RA for the ancillary info in
stateless dhcpv6 won't be blocked by the stateful dhcpv6?
492 [04:15:26] <Dagger> but I guess the DNS servers are probably
coming from the RAs, not DHCPv6. try running `rdisc6 eth0`
(it's in ndisc6) to see what's actually going on
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494 [04:15:41] <x86iac> iptables doesn't block any dhcp ...
you need ebtables
495 [04:16:12] <rjsalts> x86iac: dhcpv6 is multicast isn't
it?
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498 [04:17:23] <x86iac> yes
499 [04:17:26] <Dagger> rjsalts: ...let me just summarize v6
autoconf: routers send RAs which announce themselves to the network
500 [04:18:14] <Dagger> rjsalts: the RAs have 3 flags in them:
the "go ahead and just pick yourself an address" flag (aka
SLAAC), the "use stateful DHCPv6 to get an address" flag,
and the "use stateless DHCPv6 to get DNS/NTP/etc" flag
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502 [04:18:29] <Dagger> rjsalts: these can be turned on in any
combination
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504 [04:18:43] <dumppy> from what I understand Dagger is right
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506 [04:18:57] <Dagger> also there's RDNSS which puts DNS
servers in RAs [which I think was a bad idea, this is what we have
stateless DHCPv6 for]
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508 [04:19:13] <dumppy> I'm not sure on the POS modem /
router I have if I can switch the RA packet but I'm hoping it
might see the stateful DHCP and advertise that
509 [04:19:28] <Dagger> [I think RDNSS happened because there was
no simple stateless DHCPv6 server for Linux. all the stateless ones
were _also_ stateful servers and thus complicated]
510 [04:19:57] <Dagger> anyway, info from the various autoconfs
is just merged
511 [04:20:11] <Dagger> if SLAAC and DHCPv6 are enabled for
addresses... then you get two addresses, one from each
512 [04:20:12] <x86iac> Dagger: sorry i missed what you are
wanting to do.. could you repeat it
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514 [04:20:33] <dumppy> Dagger: Sh*t
515 [04:20:49] <Dagger> and stateless DHCPv6 and stateful DHCPv6
can't override each other because they cover different things
516 [04:20:50] <dumppy> well not what I wanted to hear but it is
tottaly what I came here for
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520 [04:21:19] <Dagger> (I will also explicitly point out that
DHCPv6 doesn't do routes, at all. those are done by RAs)
521 [04:21:19] <dumppy> from what I understand Stateful will
issue all info. IP, DNS, NTS
522 [04:21:24] <Dagger> x86iac: not me, dumppy
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525 [04:22:37] <Dagger> dumppy: stateful does IP, stateless does
DNS/NTP/etc
526 [04:22:42] <dumppy> x86iac: Oh man. Long story short, my
sh*ty router / modem is issuing IPv6 DNS servers that are being used
localy over my local DNS
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528 [04:23:17] <Dagger> dumppy: but you may instead (or as well)
be getting IP from SLAAC, and you may not even be doing stateless
DHCPv6
529 [04:23:26] <Dagger> tl;dr look at rdisc6 to see what the
router is offering
530 [04:23:30] <dumppy> My original plan was to implement a DHCP6
server to over power this and hopefully restore local DNS
531 [04:24:08] <mutante> dumppy: how many clients do you have in
your network?
532 [04:24:26] <mutante> dumppy: you could also just configure
all IPs static .. ?
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535 [04:25:03] <dumppy> very true mutante, minimum 12 when
I'm not running extra virtuals
536 [04:25:15] <x86iac> for sure .. so static .. and better for
security if needed
537 [04:25:17] <Dagger> rather than static config all the things,
it'd make more sense to just disable automatic DNS config
538 [04:25:52] <Dagger> (...but it'd make even more sense to
just not use a router that you can't configure)
539 [04:26:39] <dumppy> I know you're right Dagger. Just
have to go buy a used PC to turn into my router / firewall now
540 [04:26:52] <dumppy> not sure runing a xen vm as a router is a
good idea
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542 [04:27:48] <x86iac> 12 port switch and p233MHz -> great
router
543 [04:27:56] <Dagger> people do do that
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546 [04:28:26] <Dagger> I use a Raspberry Pi instead (but
it's kinda slow)
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549 [04:28:57] <Dagger> probably faster than a 233 MHz Intel
anything though
550 [04:29:06] <Dagger> and somewhat more easily ignored power
consumption
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552 [04:29:40] <x86iac> 2 AAA batteries ? ;)
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555 [04:32:06] <Dagger> that's more of a UPS than a power
supply
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557 [04:33:58] <finchd> a xen vm would be much faster than a pi,
even more so if has pci passthrough of dedicated L2 switching
hardware
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560 [04:34:55] <x86iac> exit
561 [04:35:02] <x86iac> cya
562 [04:35:04] <dvs> !exit
563 [04:35:04] <dpkg> /quit you fool!
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567 [04:35:51] <Dagger> a Pi2/3 will likely max out their 100mbit
ethernet though
568 [04:36:04] <Dagger> which might be enough
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570 [04:37:08] <neldogz> I have two 1TB disks in which I have
added a GPT partition type. I am going to use the entire disk and
set them in a RAID1 configuration. Do I need to create a partition
before creating the array? For example, can I just do this: sudo
mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2
/dev/sdc /dev/sdd
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572 [04:38:12] <rudi_s> neldogz: You can use either the raw
device or partition on them for mdadm. Some people recommend using
partitions which are slightly smaller in size than the underlying
disks to be able to handle small differences in the disk sizes when
you change disks, but that shouldn't be necessary.
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574 [04:38:36] <neldogz> rudi_s, thank you very much
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576 [04:38:54] <rudi_s> If you use the device itself, the
partition table will be obviously destroyted.
577 [04:38:55] <rudi_s> np
578 [04:38:59] <rjsalts> neldogz: only limitation if you choose
to use raw devices is that you won't be able to boot from that
array
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580 [04:39:31] <neldogz> rjsalts, ah, thanks for that! I wont be
booting from them so I am good
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582 [04:39:53] <rudi_s> rjsalts: GRUB can boot directly from RAID
1.
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588 [04:41:49] <rjsalts> rudi_s: sure, but isn't it going to
start destroying your raid metadata when you attempt to install the
first stage of the bootloader that lives in boot sector/legacy bios
gpt partition?
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593 [04:45:26] <rudi_s> rjsalts: You're right that you
can't use the raw disc in this case, but need a partition. But
you can still put the /boot partition inside the raid which resides
on the disk.
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595 [04:45:44] <rudi_s> So sda -> sda1 -> md0 -> boot,
root, etc. partitions
596 [04:45:58] * finchd thinks it works without issue, wasn't the
one that set it up though
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650 [05:22:35] <MeatHammer> anyone have experience setting up ps4
controllers under debian?
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652 [05:23:35] <MeatHammer> im using ds4drv but I keep getting
the error "Failed to create input device:
"/dev/uinput" cannot be opened for writing"
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673 [05:38:18] <desktop> Hey
674 [05:38:20] <desktop> How can I programatically switch the
current Desktop from Desktop 1 to Desktop 2? I am using Raspbian
Jessie Linux latest version. Desktop Environment
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698 [05:53:00] <moonpunter> pavucontrol: symbol lookup error:
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgdkmm-3.0.so.1: undefined symbol:
gdk_seat_get_type
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782 [06:59:39] <cilkay> Hello. I'm creating a Debian
VirtualBox VM via a preseed install. I see an error flash by on the
Alt-F4 console. I'd like to direct that console to a file that
I can analyze after the first boot. There is nothing interesting in
syslog or dmesg on first boot, btw. How would I do capture what is
being sent to stdout on VT4?
783 [06:59:56] <cilkay> Hello. I'm creating a Debian
VirtualBox VM via a preseed install. I see an error flash by on the
Alt-F4 console. I'd like to direct that console to a file that
I can analyze after the first boot. There is nothing interesting in
syslog or dmesg on first boot, btw. How would I capture to a file
what is being sent to stdout on VT4?
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785 [07:02:09] <Gryllida> random guess (I do not understand VMs,
and why it is in vt4): is it in /var/log/boot.log?
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789 [07:05:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> but if the first run is booted
from an installer image, it won't write to the logfiles of the
system to install
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797 [07:06:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe virtualbox has some
feature...
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799 [07:07:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> like...
replaced-url
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806 [07:11:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> like...
replaced-url
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841 [07:30:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> ^^
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871 [07:44:55] <cilkay> I found where the installer log is.
/var/log/installer/syslog I have everything I need there.
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879 [07:48:40] <cilkay> Gryllida: The question really wasn't
specific to a VM. You'd see the same thing when you're
installing on bare metal. In VT1, you'll see the curses based
interface that shows a progress bar and messages giving you some
indication of what the installer is doing. In VT4, you'll see
much more detail.
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881 [07:49:28] <cilkay> And first run isn't booted from the
installer image. I'm talking about first run after the
installer has completed.
882 [07:49:32] <Gryllida> ah, you mean logs from when you
install, not when you simply boot an already installed debian?
883 [07:49:38] <cilkay> Correct.
884 [07:49:50] <Gryllida> understood, thanks for good new info
and I'm glad you figured it out
885 [07:50:00] <cilkay> It's in /var/log/installer/syslog
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889 [07:51:39] <cilkay> I have a shell script that I use to
create my own custom ISO and from that, I create a VirtualBox image,
which also works in VMWare, and a VHD for Hyper-V. Essentially,
I've created a VM image that has no external dependencies and
which can be configured via a web form provided by Django running in
the VM.
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891 [07:53:11] <cilkay> Oh, and SaltStack is involved in all
this, too. The Django form saves to the db and also to a YAML file
that is being watched by inotify. On change, it kicks off a shell
script that wraps salt-call and Salt takes over to configure the
machine as per the key/value pairs in the YAML file.
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906 [08:01:21] <mirazi_heket> i got issue on ssh connection,
anyone have ideas?
replaced-url
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1029 [09:19:56] <xcmpg> Hello.Is it possible to give a shell which
is launched in a chroot enviroment via OpenSSHs ChrootDirectory
directive the capability CAP_DAC_OVERVRIDE (EIP) . I tried it via
pam_exec.so in /etc/pam/ssh (session requiered pam_exec.so stdout
path=/usr/local/sbin/wrapper.sh) . The wrapper shell script use
setpriv from util-linux to accomplish this task.But it didn't
work -:( .
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1068 [09:49:19] <b6s3d> how do i make my dns permanent, and how do
i check if i am using dhcp, is dhcp good or bad ?
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1072 [09:49:55] <petemc> !override dns
1073 [09:49:56] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified
nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server,
echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;"
>> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for
more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use
"prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or
remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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1075 [09:50:38] <b6s3d> thanks!
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1086 [09:54:14] <mirazi_heket> take a look please if you have time
(problem with ssh connection)
replaced-url
1087 [09:55:04] <b6s3d> do i have to remove resolvconf petemc?
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1089 [09:56:01] <b6s3d> because it does not update to the right
one, but instead uses my local isp's dns
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1096 [10:00:49] <b6s3d> petemc ^
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1103 [10:04:30] <petemc> b6s3d: you shouldnt need the resolvconf
package
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1109 [10:06:18] <b6s3d> resolvconf - u && cat
/etc/resolvconf # dosn't show what i entered in
/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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1113 [10:07:07] <b6s3d> petemc ^
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1121 [10:10:22] <k_sze[work]> My eth0 and eth1 became eth2 and
eth3. What's the proper way to fix that.
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1127 [10:12:26] <b6s3d> i copied
/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original to ..../base
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1129 [10:12:58] <b6s3d> and now it shows the one i wanted, but
plus it shows the one i don't want it to show
1130 [10:13:21] <b6s3d> how do i remove the old dns permanent?
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1179 [10:41:37] <dka__> I have an "hostB" that need to
push with RSYNC to "hostA", the directory where backup are
stored are under "/backup", I need to send backups on
"hostA" at "hostA:/mnt/backup". I am trying to
choose the best way to authenticate. I guess it is RSA keys. Since
"hostB:/backup" is own by root:root and
"hostA:/mnt/backup" by root:root, the best strategy is to
create a User/Group so I can log in with that user and write into
that folder right ?
1180 [10:42:20] <dagerik> create backup user. add ssh keys. chown
to backup
1181 [10:42:29] <dagerik> disable password auth in sshd
1182 [10:43:08] <dka__> dagerik, backup user for both hosts ?
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1184 [10:43:20] <dka__> Do I create a group ? should I use fixed
uuid/guid ?
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1197 [10:50:52] <dka__> dagerik, the backup already exist by
default on Debian 8, should I use this one ?
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1199 [10:51:39] <dagerik> only one machine needs a user backup
with public key
1200 [10:52:00] <dagerik> it is best if backup machines reaches
out to everything else
1201 [10:52:11] <dka__> dagerik, I know how works key, however,
there is by default on Debian Jessie a user backup with
"backup:x:34:34:backup:/var/backups:/usr/sbin/nologin", I
guess I can use that one.
1202 [10:52:27] <dka__> That's exactly what I am doing but
thanks.
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1204 [10:53:18] <dka__> I wonder where I should store my public
key on my backup host and private key on my app host, there is no
/home/backup directory
1205 [10:53:38] <dagerik> google for debian backup user. it has a
purpose
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1212 [10:57:47] <dka__>
replaced-url
1213 [10:58:03] <dka__> seems to look fine for use dagerik , can
you answer my question please :]
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1216 [10:59:30] <dagerik> public key goes in
~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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1218 [10:59:44] <dka__> ~/ = ?
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1221 [11:00:05] <dagerik> it's a bash thingie
1222 [11:00:12] <dagerik> try echo ~ in ur shell
1223 [11:00:14] <dka__> Then, for backup user
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1225 [11:00:40] <dka__> root@backup:/var/backups# sudo -ubackup
echo ~
1226 [11:00:55] <dka__> return "/root"
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1228 [11:01:09] <dagerik> yes because /root is the homefolder of
root
1229 [11:01:14] <dka__> so root and backup authorized_keys are
mixed ?
1230 [11:01:14] <themill> that ~ would be expanded by your own
shell not by sudo
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1235 [11:01:42] <dka__> Backup user doesn't have a shell ?
1236 [11:01:57] <dka__> I guess it's easier to create another
user with home directory
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1238 [11:01:59] <dagerik> dka__: I suspect it would be more
productice for you to pick up a book on linux basics
1239 [11:02:41] <dka__> dagerik, I guess you should take that
book, I will clean my ass of if I am in it's possession
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1243 [11:03:02] <dka__> I am just asking a simple question, I have
more than basics.
1244 [11:03:11] <dka__> Learn #howtohelp
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1246 [11:03:47] <dagerik> dka__: /etc/passwd has information about
the default shells of users
1247 [11:04:03] <blawiz> package version of specific package can
be the same in testing and unstable?
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1249 [11:04:26] <TomTomTosch> blawiz: it often is.
1250 [11:04:39] <blawiz> TomTomTosch: i see
1251 [11:04:58] <dka__> thanks dagerik
1252 [11:05:25] <TomTomTosch> blawiz: packages from sid trickle
down to testing after a few days, so there is overlap.
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1254 [11:07:26] <blawiz> TomTomTosch: usually just a few days? and
then there will be a new version in unstable?
1255 [11:07:36] <blawiz> i need a newer version of sc ;P
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1266 [11:11:43] <TomTomTosch> i didn't say anything about new
versions in unstable. that depends on the maintainer.
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1350 [11:59:33] <no_gravity> One of my files shows up as read only
in vim. Although the permissions are the same as all the other files
in that directory. What's the deal?
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1355 [12:02:05] <no_gravity> Ah no! Complete nonsense. I looked at
the permissions of the wrong file :)
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1368 [12:06:42] <Filystyn> HELLO
1369 [12:06:59] <Filystyn> interesting: seems on streach the
apt-get command was changed to apt
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1372 [12:07:06] <Filystyn> or am I WRONG ?
1373 [12:07:42] <Filystyn> ANYONE?!
1374 [12:07:50] <no_gravity> What is streach?
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1376 [12:08:11] <Filystyn> Debian 9 "Stretch"
1377 [12:08:16] <Filystyn> m and my namings
1378 [12:08:23] <no_gravity> I dunno. I'm on 8.
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1380 [12:08:27] <Filystyn> but
1381 [12:08:39] <Filystyn> what about my question?
1382 [12:08:49] <no_gravity> What about my answer?
1383 [12:09:04] <Iiiak> apt is already running on jessie. Perhaps
it was totaly fused on stretch…
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1388 [12:09:19] <Filystyn> wy do we need to change fom apt-get to
at
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1390 [12:09:23] <Filystyn> apt-get was ok ;/
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1392 [12:09:46] <Iiiak> Filystyn → to unify apt-* and
aptitude I think.
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1394 [12:09:58] <Filystyn> ok
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1396 [12:10:07] <Filystyn> what is differance between aptitude and
aptgeT?
1397 [12:10:15] <Filystyn> i thought it is same thing
1398 [12:10:20] <Filystyn> just simply two people making it
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1400 [12:10:58] <Filystyn> HMMM?
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1402 [12:11:20] <Filystyn> just used apt
1403 [12:11:29] <Filystyn> looks nicer but i think adding coolors
is not that important
1404 [12:11:51] <Filystyn> peple should concentrate on making
stale more up to date not on making aptget looking nice
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1407 [12:12:28] <Filystyn> --->MY OPINION<---
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1412 [12:14:37] <Filystyn> I am swapiing channels since NO answer
here'
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1420 [12:18:58] <eitzei> Filystyn: "The most obvious
difference is that aptitude provides a terminal menu interface (much
like Synaptic in a terminal), whereas apt-get does not."[1]
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1423 [12:19:46] <Filystyn> eitzei no one needs 3rd program that
does the same
1424 [12:19:50] <Filystyn> bu debian ways...
1425 [12:19:59] <Filystyn> Might it be I will never understand
those!
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1430 [12:22:12] <musca> Filystyn: four keystrokes less to type
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1432 [12:22:47] <musca> and you don't need to teach newbies
about apt-cache
1433 [12:23:05] <Filystyn> i duno wha is apt0cache
1434 [12:23:08] <Filystyn> :)
1435 [12:23:17] <eitzei> Or wajig ;)
1436 [12:23:53] <Filystyn> tho saw it in commands but never used
it
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1438 [12:24:24] <Filystyn> *programs" or what ever
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1451 [12:27:42] <k_sze[work]> does crontab not run a job I modify
a schedule and it's going to be too close to the current time?
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1453 [12:28:05] <k_sze[work]> e.g. current time is 18:27 in HK, if
I change the schedule to 18:28, crontab won't run it?
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1459 [12:30:38] <Fat-Zer_> is there a way to make apt pull in all
build dependencies? and not to delete then when they marked auto?
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1463 [12:31:47] <FinalX> apt-get build-dep <package>
1464 [12:32:09] <FinalX> not sure if that'll mark them for
protection against autoremove and such.
1465 [12:32:10] <themill> Fat-Zer_: mk-build-deps sounds like what
you want
1466 [12:32:15] <FinalX> o
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1472 [12:34:26] <Fat-Zer_> FinalX: that would mark them as
manually-installed, I want them to be marked as
automatically-pulled-in, and I want ALL build deps...
1473 [12:34:48] <aindilis> hi I am rolling a vagrant VM of the
latest Debian. I have exported Jessie 8.5, but I would also like to
put in either sid or unstable repo links in /etc/apt/sources.list
and then apt-get dist-upgrade and export that machine too. (or if
it's better, aptitude dist-upgrade. Do you know whether I
should use sid or unstable as the repo, and what in general is the
difference between them?
1474 [12:35:07] <Fat-Zer_> themill: dunno, how this may help
1475 [12:35:35] <FinalX> Fat-Zer_: oh, ok
1476 [12:35:48] <Fat-Zer_> I believe there should be some cmart
config option to make apt behave such...
1477 [12:35:50] <themill> Fat-Zer_: it does precisely what you
described
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1481 [12:39:48] <Fat-Zer_> themill: ghm... got no idea what it has
commone with what I've described...
1482 [12:40:40] <themill> it installs the build-deps in such a way
that they are autoremovable later but won't get autoremoved
immediately. Exactly as you described.
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1486 [12:45:13] <Fat-Zer_> themill: from man mk-build-deps: Given
a package name and/or control file, mk-build-deps will use equivs to
generate a binary package which may be installed to satisfy all the
build dependencies of the given package.
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1489 [12:46:24] <Fat-Zer_> *package.
1490 [12:46:30] <b6s3d> how do i change dns ?
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1492 [12:47:30] <themill> Fat-Zer_: I know what it does...
1493 [12:47:30] <Fat-Zer_> b6s3d: for once, you may just edit
/etc/resolv.conf
1494 [12:47:46] <b6s3d> no it gets overwritten
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1496 [12:48:07] <b6s3d> but for once yes
1497 [12:48:17] <b6s3d> what about permanent ?
1498 [12:48:28] <themill> b6s3d: are you using dhcp?
1499 [12:48:37] <b6s3d> i think so
1500 [12:48:38] <Mathisen> then maybe /etc/network/interfaces ?
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1502 [12:48:58] <themill> b6s3d: that detail matters
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1504 [12:49:08] <b6s3d> nope didn't work, the old is still
shown in /etc/resolv.conf
1505 [12:49:37] <b6s3d> ^Mathisen
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1509 [12:50:36] <b6s3d> themill: dhcp is enabled on my router
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1511 [12:52:13] <b6s3d> come on, can't be that hard :P
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1518 [12:53:52] <themill> !override dns
1519 [12:53:52] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified
nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server,
echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;"
>> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for
more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use
"prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or
remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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1521 [12:54:20] <themill> b6s3d: it's not ^^ when the next
lease is accepted, it will use the dns settings specified there,
presuming you are using dhclient as the dhcp client.
1522 [12:54:33] <Fat-Zer_> b6s3d: it was easy before systemd and
NM times...
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1524 [12:55:37] <b6s3d> gonna read some on
replaced-url
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1529 [12:56:30] <Fat-Zer_> themill: mk-build-deps just build one
bloated package with build deps for a single givven package... I
just want to make apt consider the build deps as normal deps...
1530 [12:56:32] <themill> Fat-Zer_: those instructions predate
both nm and systemd and are stull current
1531 [12:56:38] <themill> Fat-Zer_: that's nice.
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1533 [12:56:51] <themill> "bloated".... awesome.
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1541 [12:58:58] <Fat-Zer_> themill: what's wrong?
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1554 [13:04:51] <dka> I have create a user called `dummy-backup`
on two hosts, I have generated the key in `/backup/.ssh` on one
host, and added the authorized_key file with the public key on they
other, the command I am using is : `sudo -u dummy-backup rsync -h -v
-r -P -R -t --ignore-existing -e "ssh -p 10022 -o
StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i /backup/.ssh/id_rsa.pub"
/backup/congty/mail-server
dummy-backup@cong-ty.sytes.net:/mnt/backup/loaded/hostname-01/backup/congty/mail-server`
, I
1555 [13:04:52] <dka> don't understand why the server keep
asking me for my password. From my reading, it might be a
permissions issue. I have a group called dummy-backup, and the /mnt
folder is owned by this group. Any help ?
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1559 [13:06:55] <Fat-Zer_> dka: have you tried connect manually
with use ssh -vvv?
1560 [13:07:29] <Fat-Zer_> is /backaup a home director of
dummy-backup?
1561 [13:07:37] <Fat-Zer_> *backup
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1584 [13:28:57] <kevin-leptons> hura
1585 [13:29:12] <Ghostbird> What should I install so GDB shows the
names of shared library functions in the disassembly?
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1591 [13:31:59] <b6s3d> fixed the dns by removing resolvconf
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1594 [13:33:11] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> b6s3d: are u on crack?
1595 [13:33:19] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: if you need debug into
shared lib, you must install it. if not, you should not because it
make wasted storage
1596 [13:33:30] <b6s3d> nope don't try to sell me that stuff
xD
1597 [13:33:47] <b6s3d> police police c:
1598 [13:33:57] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> b6s3d: I dont sell it
1599 [13:34:00] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> i dont smoke it
1600 [13:34:04] <b6s3d> i do joke around
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1602 [13:34:06] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> but i know its LOL to talk
about
1603 [13:34:11] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> so i spam about it
1604 [13:34:13] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> on irc
1605 [13:34:16] <b6s3d> why do you ask?
1606 [13:34:17] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> for the lulz
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1608 [13:34:34] <b6s3d> oh k
1609 [13:34:45] <Ghostbird> kevin-leptons: I don't need to
debug into it. I just need to see the names in GDB. E.g:
1610 [13:34:45] <Ghostbird> 0x00010f8c <+152>: bl 0x10c48
1611 [13:34:45] <Ghostbird> I want that line to show the name of
the function that's loaded at 0x10c48.
1612 [13:34:51] <b6s3d> have you been to double chan?
1613 [13:34:51] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> see, i have learned that an
expert troll needs things that always get a substantial response
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1616 [13:35:16] <b6s3d> Cisco3560-48PS-S: have you been to double
chan?
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1618 [13:35:28] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> I dont chan shit
1619 [13:35:30] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> i shit channels
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1621 [13:35:51] <b6s3d> can you hear that? i think its the sound
of a boot getting strapped on a leg
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1624 [13:37:50] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> b6s3d: your mom?
1625 [13:37:56] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> going to fuckslut bootcamp
1626 [13:38:04] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> to learn how to be a fuckslut
1627 [13:38:09] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> fuck slut
1628 [13:38:10] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> slut fuck
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1630 [13:38:20] <b6s3d> get real noob
1631 [13:38:35] <qmr> o_O
1632 [13:39:34] <axgb> I am trying to install GNU Icecat, and what
I have downloaded from the GNU website is a folder of files, one of
which I can click to open GNU Icecat. How do I like properly install
it such that I can get it from the application menu?
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1636 [13:40:08] <abrotman> Cisco3560-48PS-S: not appropriate, go
play elsewhere
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1650 [13:45:58] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: sorry, i just have
diner. you can read about 'examining the symbol table' of
gdb. then you idea for your problems
1651 [13:46:24] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: then you get idea for
you problems
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1689 [14:05:55] <Ghostbird> kevin-leptons: Seems like the solution
is to install: git clone --branch gdb-7.7-branch
git://sourceware.org/git/binutils-gdb.git to match binutils and gdb
version.
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1692 [14:07:06] <Elirips> hello. can someone recommend me an easy
to use irc-client that has no need for X and is available as .deb in
jessie?
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1695 [14:07:49] <kevin-leptons> Elirips: you can try weechat
package
1696 [14:08:16] <Elirips> kevin-leptons: does it support irc via
ssl?
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1698 [14:09:29] <kevin-leptons> Elirips: it have, you can read
document for more information
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1702 [14:10:04] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: did it solve your
problem ?. because i not see your question from begining
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1706 [14:10:27] <Ghostbird> kevin-leptons: Still cloning it.
It's a big repo.
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1709 [14:11:37] <kevin-leptons> Ghostbird: try download as
zipfile, that can fast than a bit
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1714 [14:12:55] <c855> i am trying to install jessie on a toshiba
satellite c855 laptop. it had windows 8 which i completely erased. i
repartitioned the hard disk manually. i ended up with 3 partitions:
15GB / 12GB swap and 971GB /home but after selecting "Finish
partitioning and write changes to disk" i got the message
"No EFI partition was found. Go back to the menu and resume
partitioning". What shall i do now?
1715 [14:13:15] <c855> btw, jessie will be the only os on my
laptop
1716 [14:14:19] <VLetrmx> Hi
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1718 [14:15:05] <VLetrmx> Are there any debian packaging howtos
that deal specifically with generating multiple packages from a
single source? i.e. foolib and foolib-dev packages
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1723 [14:18:53] <babilen> c855: You have to create EFI partitions
and all that. My recommendation would be to use "Guided"
partitioning and just customise that. Also: Why such a small / ? You
might want to consider keeping it all in one partition on a laptop.
1724 [14:19:28] <babilen>
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1726 [14:20:08] <Ghostbird> c855: I'd definitely increase the
root partition, since it'll be where all your software is
installed. 15 GB is very small nowadays.
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1728 [14:20:51] <c855> is 15GB for / too small? why? i have a
971GB /home
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1730 [14:20:58] <babilen> It definitely is
1731 [14:21:04] <Ghostbird> But all your software installs in /
1732 [14:21:14] <babilen> c855: You could merge / and /home on a
laptop
1733 [14:21:22] <Ghostbird> So if you've got more than 15GB
OS + /, you cannot do anything anymore.
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1735 [14:21:32] <Ghostbird> And still I do NOT recommend merging /
and /home
1736 [14:21:45] <c855> i pefer ti have a separate /home partition
1737 [14:21:46] <babilen> Virtual machines, databases and a bunch
of other things needs storage outside of /home too
1738 [14:21:52] <Ghostbird> My set-up would be a 100GB / and 900
GB /home
1739 [14:22:10] <babilen> It's okay to keep them separate,
but definitely give / more space
1740 [14:22:13] <Ghostbird> babilen: Virtualbox natively stores
VMs in /home.
1741 [14:22:14] <c855> i am not going to run vm
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1743 [14:22:26] <babilen> Ghostbird: But why would you use vbox on
Linux? ;)
1744 [14:22:42] <Ghostbird> babilen: What's a good
alternative?
1745 [14:22:44] <babilen> But I was also thinking of that as the
sole exception
1746 [14:22:54] <babilen> Ghostbird: virt-manager/virsh with kvm
1747 [14:23:04] <Ghostbird> babilen: Interesting. I'll look
into it.
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1751 [14:24:22] <Ghostbird> c855: Back on topic, I'd suggest
a 100GB root. You won't quickly miss the 100GB that you lose on
/home, but with 15GB root, you'll quickly be forced to
reinstall or do crazy partition resizes on the system.
1752 [14:25:03] <c855> i am not going to run vm/databases on my
laptop. do i really need a 100gb / ?
1753 [14:25:11] <Ghostbird> Though if you know that you're
not going to install a lot of software, you can probably make do
with a 50GB root.
1754 [14:25:32] <babilen> Point being: 15G will be *very* painful
soon
1755 [14:25:33] <Ghostbird> The question is. What are you going to
do with /home that you so desperately want to maximise it?
1756 [14:26:09] <Ghostbird> Currently on my system (I'm not
running VMs from the root or anything like that) I use 42GB for
root.
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1758 [14:26:57] <Ghostbird> But I also offload some specific tasks
to my servers, so without those, I'd probably use a little
more.
1759 [14:27:25] <c855> 50gb / is actually too much? i never use
more than 7gb of it after all the software i need has been
installed. so why woul i need a 50 gb / ?
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1762 [14:28:06] <c855> 50gb / is actually too much! i never use
more than 7gb of it after all the software i need has been
installed. so why woul i need a 50 gb / ?
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1767 [14:30:01] <Ghostbird> Ah, you'll probably be fine with
less than 50 GB. Just don't forget to run:
1768 [14:30:01] <Ghostbird> # apt-get clean
1769 [14:30:01] <Ghostbird> regularly. I just realised I
hadn't for a year, and my apt-cache was taking up about 20 GB.
1770 [14:30:19] <Ghostbird> Now my root is 23 GB of stuff I
actually use.
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1772 [14:30:59] <c855> i run apt-get clean every week
1773 [14:31:09] <Ghostbird> But anyway, make sure you make it big
enough. Not having enough space basically means your system is dead,
and you'll need to do dangerous things to fix it. And I ask you
again, why are you so desperate to maximise /home?
1774 [14:31:39] <Ghostbird> Having 50GB less on a 1TB home is not
a big deal. Being 1 GB short on the root is a BIG deal.
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1777 [14:34:17] <c855> it is not so much a question of maximising
/home but not wasting GBs on / . anyway, i will repartition and
create a 50 gb / but how can i solve the main issue, the one i
mentioned first?
1778 [14:35:25] <c855> i am trying to install jessie on a toshiba
satellite c855 laptop. it had windows 8 which i completely erased. i
repartitioned the hard disk manually. i ended up with 3 partitions:
50GB / 12GB swap and 926GB /home but after selecting "Finish
partitioning and write changes to disk" i got the message
"No EFI partition was found. Go back to the menu and resume
partitioning". What shall i do now?
1779 [14:36:09] <babilen> c855: You have to create suitable EFI
system partitions. As I said earlier: One easy way is to customise a
"Guided" partitioning setup.
1780 [14:36:23] <Ghostbird>
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1782 [14:36:38] <Ghostbird> I think if you use the guided
partitioning, it'll automatically set it up correctly.
1783 [14:36:49] <babilen> It will .. hence the suggestion to
customise that setup
1784 [14:36:51] <Ghostbird> Then adapt it at need afterwards,
before you write changes.
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1786 [14:36:58] <Ghostbird> Ninja's
1787 [14:37:11] <babilen> Ninja's?
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1830 [14:55:34] <c855> babilen, i chose guided partitioning,
customised and the following partitions were created: 536MB ESP,
47GB /, 16GB swap and 936GB /home. one thing i noticed is that i
have 1MB free space at the begiining of the disk and 728kb at the
end. is that ok?
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1835 [14:58:52] <VLetrmx> Seriously how the hell do you get
debhelper to override PREFIX
1836 [14:58:56] <babilen> c855: Should be fine, yeah
1837 [14:59:01] <VLetrmx> I just want to set PREFIX=/usr
1838 [14:59:10] <babilen> VLetrmx: → #
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1840 [14:59:19] <babilen> VLetrmx: → #debian-mentors
(irc.debian.net / irc.oftc.net)
1841 [14:59:24] <VLetrmx> Okay cheers
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1882 [15:13:49] <c855> babilen, thanks
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1912 [15:21:14] <JohnDoe_71Rus> hi. i have armbian, think is not
important. can't localize interface(appmenu, menu). use lxde
1913 [15:21:41] <JohnDoe_71Rus> debian jessie
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1915 [15:22:11] <lime_> I want to run a popcorn server
(popularity-contest) to receive results of packages installed, is
this package available?
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1956 [15:39:06] <dpkg> <alfred> how do i set my date and
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1971 [15:43:57] <telecode101> join #rasbian
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1973 [15:44:19] <notjelly> it's #raspbian
1974 [15:44:20] <rudar> i didn't get it
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1976 [15:44:35] <telecode101> thanks
1977 [15:44:36] <telecode101> :-)
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1979 [15:45:08] <Filystyn> HELLO
1980 [15:45:19] <telecode101> wonder if someone can config a
debian & apache config question
1981 [15:45:22] <slartie> From the other side?
1982 [15:45:26] <joze> Heaveno
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1984 [15:45:35] <telecode101> for this fix
replaced-url
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1986 [15:45:41] <Filystyn> Problem : why does debian part UTF-8 to
locales
1987 [15:45:44] <Filystyn> ANYONE!?
1988 [15:45:46] <telecode101> do we place it in apache2.conf of
security.conf?
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1990 [15:45:58] <telecode101> do we place it in apache2.conf
"or" security.conf?
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1993 [15:46:43] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Can you rephrase your
question?
1994 [15:47:01] <teraflops> Filystyn: caps mean shouting, also
what does part UTF-8 to locales mean?
1995 [15:47:08] <telecode101> I am implementing this fix able.
1996 [15:47:19] <Filystyn> My debian has
1997 [15:47:28] <Filystyn> piotr@deb:~$ locale -a
1998 [15:47:29] <Filystyn> C
1999 [15:47:31] <Filystyn> C.UTF-8
2000 [15:47:32] <Filystyn> pl_PL.utf8
2001 [15:47:34] <Filystyn> POSIX
2002 [15:47:35] <telecode101> do i place the text in securty.conf
or apache2.conf for it to be applied gllobally to all sites
2003 [15:47:47] <Filystyn> the C.UTF-8 handles i belive alll utf-8
existing multibytes
2004 [15:47:54] <Filystyn> when the pl only polish ones
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2006 [15:48:09] <petn-randall> Filystyn: That's not how UTF-8
works.
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2008 [15:49:27] <Filystyn> that is not answer to my question
2009 [15:49:30] <Filystyn> petn-randall
2010 [15:49:53] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Can you ask your question
again then?
2011 [15:50:42] <petn-randall> Filystyn: I didn't understand
your question the first time.
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2013 [15:51:00] <petn-randall> Filystyn: It also helps to explain
what you expect and what you got instead.
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2016 [15:51:53] <Filystyn> if i set locale pl_PL.utf8 and it is a
polish locale i can detect it with mbrlen (check its sze). BUT if
it's not polish i would need to use the proper language.utf8 or
C.UTF-8 that seem to contain all utf-8 specifiic multibyte char sets
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2018 [15:52:14] <Filystyn> the question is WHY not just use always
C.UTF-8 in all system WHY part them to language locales
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2021 [15:52:37] <Filystyn> i mean polish multibytechar vde
"ó"
2022 [15:52:41] <chaddy> Filystyn: /j #debian-pl, perhaps?
2023 [15:52:46] <Filystyn> NO
2024 [15:53:10] <Filystyn> it' problem of linux more than
debian or specialy polish debian
2025 [15:53:15] <Filystyn> chaddy you have same problem
2026 [15:53:21] <Filystyn> you just hhave no idea it exist
2027 [15:53:37] <chaddy> Filystyn: are some characters not being
displayed properly?
2028 [15:53:37] <petn-randall> Filystyn: The locale gives any
running programs hints in what language to display any messages,
measurement units, paper sizes, etc. The encoding is only a part of
it.
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2030 [15:53:56] <Filystyn> wrong
2031 [15:54:01] <Filystyn> look at this example
2032 [15:54:26] <Filystyn> one working
replaced-url
2033 [15:54:54] <Filystyn> nt working
replaced-url
2034 [15:54:57] <Filystyn> not*
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2036 [15:55:05] <Filystyn> because it has no pl one
2037 [15:55:14] <Filystyn> why do i need to have the languag eone
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2039 [15:55:24] <Filystyn> why not just force all to use the
C.utf8
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2041 [15:55:35] <Filystyn> C.UTF-8
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2043 [15:55:46] <Filystyn> why make partial locale utf-8
2044 [15:56:27] <kevin-leptons> chaos in here =]]
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2047 [15:57:09] <Filystyn> ANSWER ME!!!!
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2050 [15:57:41] <petn-randall> Filystyn: If you carry on yelling,
I will refuse to help you.
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2060 [16:00:40] <Filystyn> waiting...
2061 [16:00:42] <chaddy> Filystyn: you're not making as much
sense as you think you are, which was why I suggested #debian-pl
2062 [16:00:57] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Sorry, but I still
don't understand your issue. Your working example threw some
errors to STDERR. What is the grand goal you want to achieve?
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2064 [16:01:11] <Filystyn> if ou do not know how to answer the
qustion you should not enter the conversation friends
2065 [16:01:29] <Filystyn> and i was very precise what the problem
was
2066 [16:01:32] <lapyo> is this the right channel for asking help
for USB-stick installation problems
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2074 [16:03:31] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Your only question was
"WHY not just use always C.UTF-8 in all system WHY part them to
language locales". If I understand that question correctly, I
already gave you an answer. But I think there's also a language
barrier here.
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2076 [16:03:52] <Filystyn> there is no barrier
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2079 [16:04:08] <lapyo> nvm
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2081 [16:04:09] <Filystyn> there could be separate locale for it
2082 [16:04:18] <petn-randall> Filystyn: What is "it"?
2083 [16:04:23] <Filystyn> the language
2084 [16:04:43] <petn-randall> Filystyn: With language barrier I
mean your english is difficult to understand.
2085 [16:05:11] <Filystyn> The language it self could be in locale
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2087 [16:05:22] <Filystyn> the tf-8 cold stay not language related
2088 [16:05:34] <teraflops> Filystyn: theres nothing wrong in
replaced-url
2089 [16:05:48] <Filystyn> this one is proper
2090 [16:05:52] <Filystyn> the wrong one was teh second
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2092 [16:06:40] <Filystyn> i belive you were the one that got
stuck on *understanding*
2093 [16:07:08] <petn-randall> Filystyn: LC_ALL overrides every
other locale environment variable, see 'man 7 locale' for
details.
2094 [16:07:08] <Filystyn> the wrost thing is that the question
here is realy smple
2095 [16:07:24] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Yet nobody understood
your question yet.
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2097 [16:07:57] <Filystyn> because his is how they made it they
MERGED the utf-8 into locales
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2099 [16:08:03] <Filystyn> and my question is WHY
2100 [16:08:25] <Filystyn> why not leave locales wiithout
connecting them to utf-8
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2102 [16:08:52] <Filystyn> could be setlocale(LC_ALL,
"pl_PL");
2103 [16:09:03] <Filystyn> instead they force you to use only
polish locales.
2104 [16:09:10] <teraflops> C locale is a special locale that is
meant to be the simplest locale. not meant to print your localized
messages, the language is usually US English (it's at the
discretion of the application author) and things like currency
symbols are not defined
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2106 [16:09:42] <ashka> hi, can I do something so that systemd
waits for all the dhcp interfaces to be up before starting some
services with using etc/network/interfaces and without adding some
hack into systemd ?
2107 [16:09:49] <Filystyn> teraflops than WHY
2108 [16:09:58] <teraflops> stop using caps
2109 [16:10:03] <Filystyn> why does it return ERROR on not polish
locale
2110 [16:10:05] <Filystyn> INSTEAD
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2112 [16:10:06] <teraflops> Filystyn: why? I already told you
2113 [16:10:13] <teraflops> ok im going to ignore you
2114 [16:10:15] <Filystyn> of simply treat it as bytes that are
not locale
2115 [16:10:18] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Because the encoding is
an important part of displaying localized messages?
2116 [16:10:21] <Filystyn> oh fuck of noob
2117 [16:10:26] <petn-randall> !ops Filystyn
2118 [16:10:26] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall
complains about: Filystyn
2119 [16:10:32] <petn-randall> Filystyn: Goodbye
2120 [16:10:46] <Filystyn> you could not help teraflops
2121 [16:10:53] <Filystyn> no sorry here
2122 [16:11:21] <Filystyn> *can't understand question after
told bazilion times, will continue to compain he doe snot
understand*
2123 [16:11:21] <teraflops> I already told you why, but youre
being a dick, so good luck
2124 [16:11:36] <Filystyn> It should not return error
2125 [16:11:47] <Filystyn> just treat as some bytes
2126 [16:12:06] <Filystyn> i can't belive mistake lik that
exists
2127 [16:12:08] <petn-randall> *plonk*
2128 [16:12:29] <chaddy> more likely wodka than wine, I think
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2131 [16:14:01] <Filystyn> I am done wih you people i wil go to
glibc since it's more of their problem not debian.
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2137 [16:16:00] <Flippylosaurus> .seen me
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2139 [16:16:05] <Flippylosaurus> .seen Flippylosaurus
2140 [16:16:06] <Flippylosaurus> oh
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2150 [16:19:13] <kal> hi, una orden en terminal que me permita
cerrar una aplicacion en una hora determinada como shutdown
2151 [16:19:26] <petn-randall> !es
2152 [16:19:27] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en
Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en
Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join
#debian-es en la línea de chat.
2153 [16:19:46] <missmbob> i think that's pt, no?
2154 [16:20:57] <miesco> How is vsftpd very secure if ssl
isn't enabled by default? So all passwords by default are sent
unencrypted?
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2159 [16:21:41] <troysankey> i'm reading the wiki article for
unattended upgrades and i'm not sure what the difference is
between 20auto-upgrades and 02periodic
2160 [16:21:44] <troysankey>
replaced-url
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2162 [16:21:53] <missmbob> !ftpmustdie
2163 [16:21:54] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE!
replaced-url
2164 [16:22:06] <missmbob> miesco: it's not. you have to make
it secure. yes, default is unencrypted
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2168 [16:22:53] <miesco> missmbob: Yea but with http, you
can't download multiple directories at once, correct?
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2171 [16:23:35] <missmbob> miesco: you could write a quick php
script for it if you wanted to
2172 [16:23:46] <missmbob> miesco: i'm sure there are many
you could google
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2196 [16:29:15] <miesco> missmbob: Really? How would that work?
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2198 [16:29:40] <miesco> missmbob: I thought the browser clients
can only download a single file
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2200 [16:30:06] <missmbob> miesco: the server side creates a tar
or zip of the directories and feeds that to the client
2201 [16:30:24] <missmbob> miesco: google php file manager or http
file manager and you'll see a bunch
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2210 [16:34:23] <miesco> missmbob: I suppose 'owncloud'
would be one?
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2220 [16:36:34] <missmbob> miesco: sure
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2239 [16:42:31] <teraflops> miesco: I can understand that you have
to use ftp on the client side if youre forced to do so, but
installing ftp server on your own initiative … there are
better alternatives
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2243 [16:43:35] <greycat> Oh? What are the alternatives to solve
the "my client is fucking 600 years old and wants to use FTP
and he is very rich and powerful and so I have to obey or be
flayed" than to install an FTP server?
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2246 [16:45:08] <miesco> Is there a way to view a file in a
package?
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2248 [16:45:09] <teraflops> greycat: I include that one in being
forced to do so then
2249 [16:45:31] <greycat> Oh, your alternatives were for the
client, not for the server.
2250 [16:45:42] <teraflops> were for the server
2251 [16:45:58] <greycat> miesco: is the package currently
installed? If so, it's trivial.
2252 [16:46:09] <miesco> I have aptitude, but I deleted one of the
files that is part of a package that was installed on my computer.
How do I view the original file in the package?
2253 [16:46:24] <greycat> And you don't simply wish to
INSTALL the missing file?
2254 [16:46:33] <miesco> greycat: No because I replaced it
2255 [16:46:43] <miesco> its /etc/vsftpd.conf
2256 [16:46:49] <miesco> I used my old config
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2259 [16:47:24] <greycat> Then you use an ar command to pull the
data.tar.gz file out of the .deb and you filter that through a
tar/gzip command to pull the file-by-name out of the compressed tar
archive.
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2261 [16:47:53] <greycat> or, alternatively, you extract the whole
bloody thing into a subdirectory of /tmp and then you cat the file.
2262 [16:47:54] <jelly-home> miesco: does dpkg -L package-name
list the etc/vsftpd.conf path at all? Sometimes config file are not
actually part of a package.
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2266 [16:48:16] <greycat> or, alternatively, you look at the
/etc/vsftpd.conf.dpkg* file that got left behind
2267 [16:48:21] <jelly-home> sometimes they're generated from
a template at installation time in the install scripts
2268 [16:48:22] <greycat> sometimes that happens
2269 [16:48:33] <miesco> jelly-home: Yea it does
2270 [16:48:44] <miesco> greycat: Not there
2271 [16:48:50] <jelly-home> right, you can look at the package
contents then.
2272 [16:48:54] <greycat> OK, first two alternatives then.
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2274 [16:49:06] <miesco> jelly-home: How?
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2276 [16:49:35] <jelly-home> miesco: apt-get download vsftpd (or
whatever the package name), dpkg-deb --unpack blah.deb sometempdir/,
less sometempdir/etc/vsftpd.conf
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2279 [16:49:54] <jelly-home> none of that has to be done as root
2280 [16:49:56] <miesco> I found it
/var/cache/apt/archives/vsftpd_3.0.2-17+deb8u1_amd64.deb
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2282 [16:50:17] <miesco> jelly-home: Ah I use root for everything
2283 [16:50:23] <greycat> Not wise.
2284 [16:50:24] <miesco> jelly-home: Well not everything
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2286 [16:50:30] <miesco> greycat: why?
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2288 [16:50:46] <greycat> Because you might screw up.
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2290 [16:50:59] <jelly> argualy he did screw up already :-)
2291 [16:51:00] <greycat> Screwing up as root has much more
potentially dire consequences than screwing up as yourself.
2292 [16:51:00] <miesco> greycat: I could also screw up using sudo
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2294 [16:51:12] <greycat> USING SUDO *IS* BEING ROOT, DUMB ASS
2295 [16:51:12] <jelly> sudo is just a way to be root
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2298 [16:51:31] <miesco> well I only use root for root things
2299 [16:51:39] <greycat> 10:50 miesco> jelly-home: Ah I use
root for everything
2300 [16:51:40] <greycat> 10:51 miesco> well I only use root
for root things
2301 [16:51:48] <miesco> 10:50am miesco | jelly-home: Well not
everything
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2303 [16:51:54] <jelly> miesco, and I'm explaining you
don't need root to dpkg-deb --unpack
2304 [16:52:06] <miesco> I meant everything superuser related
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2306 [16:52:11] <greycat> nor do you need root to do the ar|tar
thing.
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2308 [16:52:37] <miesco> greycat: Fine, I was already comfortable
in my root bash terminal but i'll switch to my user one and
look at the .deb
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2312 [16:53:12] <miesco> err actually I just noticed im ssh'd
in
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2314 [16:53:26] <miesco> I'll create a tmux session then and
use the user
2315 [16:53:56] <jelly> it was just a side note. We don't
really care if you needlessly use root for all the things.
2316 [16:54:10] <jelly> it's just not the safest possible
practice
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2318 [16:54:41] <miesco> ah crap now I got a tmux session in a
tmux session...
2319 [16:54:46] <miesco> I should of just used root
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2329 [16:57:39] <ashka> why is wheezy->jessie broken if there
are services depending on a dhcp interface?
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2331 [16:58:15] <teraflops> ashka: custom services you created?
2332 [16:58:20] <ashka> teraflops: sshd
2333 [16:58:29] <greycat> I don't understand what you're
asking.
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2338 [16:59:01] <jelly> ashka: probably because noone reported it
as a bug
2339 [16:59:01] <teraflops> ah, no idea I did not notice such
breackage doing dist-upgrade
2340 [16:59:14] <ashka> if there's a dhcp interface in
etc/network/interfaces before upgrade and if a service binds a
socket to this interface then systemd starts the service before the
interface got its address
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2344 [17:00:04] <miesco> jelly: Did you mean dpkg-deb --extract?
2345 [17:00:06] <dka> I am trying to understand why the file owned
by meBackup:meBackup can't get copied over ssh with RSA
authentication. I keep getting prompt the password
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2347 [17:00:27] <jelly> miesco, yes, sorry
2348 [17:00:28] <greycat> dka: well, it's got nothing at all
to do with the file.
2349 [17:00:48] <greycat> dka: test with "ssh me@host
date" or something similar
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2351 [17:01:52] <ashka> the way to fix it seems to be migrating
the network/interfaces to systemd-networkd but the jessie release
notes do not mention networking at all
2352 [17:01:54] <jelly> ashka: in theory, an ifup action
isn't supposed to succeed before the iface is configured.
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2355 [17:02:39] <ashka> jelly: network.target seems to be reached
before dhclient is done
2356 [17:03:11] <jelly> ashka, can you pastebin your interfaces
file?
2357 [17:03:15] <jelly> !paste
2358 [17:03:15] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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2360 [17:03:36] <dka> greycat, "sudo -u me-backup ssh
me-backup@mesites.sytes.net -p10022 -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -i
/backup/.ssh/id_rsa date" return me a prompt for password
2361 [17:03:47] <dka> user exist on both host with the same
uid/guid
2362 [17:03:59] <greycat> Right, so it's got nothing to do
with the ownership of some file you were trying to cat on the
server.
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2364 [17:04:33] <jelly> dka, are authorized_keys configured with
the right pubkey for the right user on the remote system?
2365 [17:04:34] <greycat> Are the permissions right on the
/backup/.ssh/id_rsa file and on the /backup directory?
2366 [17:05:03] <greycat> (and on /backup/.ssh )
2367 [17:05:07] <jelly> dka, in other words, did key-based auth
_ever_ work?
2368 [17:05:44] <dka> sender has private key with perms 600 and
ownership of me-backup:me-backup && receiver has public key
in /backup/.ssh/authorized_keys, this file has perms 655 and
ownership me-backup:me-backup.
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2370 [17:06:06] <dka> jelly, key's are good, I don't
mind regenerate the keys if you doubt of it :]
2371 [17:06:10] <greycat> You did not check the permissions of
/backup and /backup.ssh then?
2372 [17:06:16] <greycat> GAH
2373 [17:06:18] <miesco> Is ftp server insecure if you only enable
anonymous?
2374 [17:06:19] <greycat> You did not check the permissions of
/backup and /backup/.ssh then?
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2376 [17:06:32] <greycat> miesco:
replaced-url
2377 [17:06:33] <ashka> jelly:
replaced-url
2378 [17:07:05] <greycat> How is ssh binding on the unknown IP
address of eth1?
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2380 [17:08:12] <dka> greycat, perms on sender
"/backup/.ssh" are "770" and ownership
"me-backup:me-backup", perms on receiver
"/backup/.ssh" are "770" with ownership
"me-backup:me-backup"
2381 [17:08:14] <ashka> greycat: the dhcp for it will give me the
same address reliably so I've put it in the sshd_config
2382 [17:08:41] <greycat> dka: the group writability is a problem.
It will disqualify the key.
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2387 [17:10:07] <miesco> greycat: Okay your rant is missing a
replacement
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2390 [17:10:25] <ashka> greycat: I get some routes from the dhcp,
which is why I do not use static for it, if you're wondering
2391 [17:10:26] <dka> greycat, group writability on folder or file
?
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2394 [17:10:40] <greycat> dka: ALL OF THE ABOVE
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2396 [17:10:50] <greycat> dka:
replaced-url
2397 [17:11:02] <dka> greycat, tty
2398 [17:11:04] <jelly> ashka: if you're getting an arbitrary
address via dhcp, sensible configs for ssh service would either be
"listen on every iface" or "make bloody well sure
dhcp always assigns the same IP"
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2400 [17:11:18] <miesco> greycat: What do you use to replace ftp
(for public access)?
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2402 [17:11:40] <greycat> miesco: I have a web server, as you may
have noticed by the two URLs I've passed out recently...
2403 [17:11:40] <jelly> ashka: so it's an unusual setup,
I'm not surprised you managed to find a corner case
2404 [17:12:02] <ashka> jelly: it assigns the IP properly though,
but still starts too early. I have to upgrade several machines
I'll do various tests
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2406 [17:12:29] <jelly> ashka: in your case, I think you
_don't_ want to use "allow-hotplug". You want
"auto".
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2410 [17:13:07] <jelly> hotplug implies an iface can go up at any
time, and your ssh service is not configured to handle that.
2411 [17:13:13] <miesco> greycat: I mean if I have the all 9
seasons of the simpsons and I want someone to be able to download
any season
2412 [17:13:30] <greycat> Then you could put them on your web
server.
2413 [17:13:41] <jelly> ashka: s/allow-hotplug/auto/g, reboot, see
if it makes things different
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2423 [17:15:51] <jelly> ,v ifupdown2
2424 [17:15:53] <judd> Package: ifupdown2 on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 1.0~git20160525-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.0~git20160525-1;
stretch: 1.0~git20160525-1
2425 [17:16:01] <miesco> greycat: But how would someone download
the whole directory?
2426 [17:16:05] <greycat> *sigh*
2427 [17:16:24] <greycat> miesco: So your goal is to offer an
interface by which end users can retrieve EITHER a single file OR an
entire directory in a single transaction?
2428 [17:16:24] <jelly> miesco, wget.
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2431 [17:16:41] <miesco> greycat: yes
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2433 [17:16:59] <miesco> jelly: too advanced for friends
2434 [17:17:01] <greycat> I dunno. There's probably some
application for that. I've never WANTED to know.
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2436 [17:17:17] <jelly> miesco, they can use whatever downloader
they want.
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2439 [17:17:33] <greycat> I'm absolutely certain that your
un-advanced friends wouldn't know how to drive "get
dirname.tar.gz" in an FTP client either, so that's out.
2440 [17:17:47] <croddy> having to click 26 times should be a good
way to motivate people to learn two things about computers
2441 [17:17:51] <jelly> there's dozens of tools to slurp up a
web site or a directory from a browser
2442 [17:18:00] <missmbob> miesco: pretty sure i've already
covered this with you. there are http file managers. of course use
it in https only
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2444 [17:18:31] <jelly> miesco, webdav can be mounted as a
filesystem in windows.
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2447 [17:19:00] <miesco> jelly: Like I need to give a url
2448 [17:19:15] <croddy> i've supported webdav as a windows
mount for this sort of crowd. results were... mixed
2449 [17:19:53] <Danne-> Hi! anyone here that rocks on mdadm? I
have a problem with a exisisting array. mdadm has set 2 of my drives
ad removed (RAID 6) and i cannot add them to the array again, anyone
has sugestions?
2450 [17:19:57] <missmbob> owncloud gives you a "share
with" link
2451 [17:20:23] <jelly> Danne-: ask in #linux-raid
2452 [17:20:28] <Danne-> ok!
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2456 [17:22:28] <miesco> Is this normal?
replaced-url
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2459 [17:24:22] <jelly> miesco, probably.
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2461 [17:24:43] <greycat> One thing I can say: only one of them
can bind to the FTP connection port.
2462 [17:25:35] <miesco> jelly: I have a weird file called
Photo.scr in my ftp's upload/ dir. Do you think its malicious?
2463 [17:25:48] <miesco> jelly: mediainfo says its an executable
2464 [17:25:56] <greycat> You. Had. An upload. Directory.
2465 [17:25:58] <greycat> *facepalm*
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2468 [17:26:35] <han-solo> miesco: it's malicious
2469 [17:26:35] <greycat> Do you know what happens when you run an
FTP server that has a writable upload directory? With anonymous
users allowed?
2470 [17:26:37] <han-solo> i think,
2471 [17:26:47] <han-solo> also .pif
2472 [17:26:49] <Kobaz> anyone know some
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2474 [17:27:17] <greycat> You get free copyright-infringing MP3
files, and warez, and ... well, last time I did it was many years
ago, so nowadays you'd probably get movies....
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2476 [17:27:25] <han-solo> know some public uploadable ftp severs?
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2478 [17:27:30] <han-solo> s/severs/servers
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2480 [17:27:49] <Kobaz> whoops
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2482 [17:28:08] <Kobaz> anyone know some repos that still have
squeeze debs?
2483 [17:28:19] <greycat> !squeeze sources.list
2484 [17:28:19] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb
replaced-url
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2487 [17:28:39] <miesco> greycat: So I get free stuff...
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2489 [17:28:46] <Kobaz> all the files are 404
2490 [17:28:54] <greycat> Free stuff which may or may not be in
violation of your local laws. Yes.
2491 [17:28:54] <Kobaz> oooh
2492 [17:28:57] <Kobaz> archive..
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2494 [17:31:13] <miesco> greycat: Man I am serving so much
copyright infrining stuff on my ftp server already
2495 [17:31:20] <miesco> greycat: Like thats the whole point
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2497 [17:31:40] <miesco> greycat: And the upload/ dir is not
public readable, so no one can see all the mp3 files people give me
2498 [17:31:44] <greycat> But it's stuff you chose. Rather
than stuff chosen by your unknowable user base.
2499 [17:31:59] <miesco> greycat: Still, its world unreadable. No
one knows.
2500 [17:32:01] <jelly> miesco, don't tell us that. Freenode
does not condone or allow illegal behaviour.
2501 [17:32:16] <miesco> jelly: Okay my bad
2502 [17:32:21] * jelly pretends he didn't read anything *lalala*
2503 [17:32:28] <ashka> jelly: auto seems to work alright, thanks
2504 [17:32:36] <greycat> miesco: Alice can still use you as a
mule to transfer a file to Bob. She uploads to you, tells Bob the
exact filename, and Bob downloads it from your upload directory.
2505 [17:33:12] <han-solo> miesco: server address?
2506 [17:33:31] <greycat> Still, if you really do want to operate
in this legally dark grey area, then maybe FTP is appropriate.
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2512 [17:35:38] <miesco> greycat: Why is that?
2513 [17:35:54] <jelly> !slap han-solo
2514 [17:35:54] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across
han-solo's face
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2516 [17:36:21] <miesco> Well he is a smuggler
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2523 [17:38:22] <han-solo> whaaat?
2524 [17:38:40] <han-solo> i was just looking to see, if i can
break it somehow
2525 [17:38:56] <han-solo> i mean the "world unreadable
directory" :)
2526 [17:39:23] <missmbob> so many people want to get banned today
2527 [17:39:40] <jelly> banned, frowned upon, same diff
2528 [17:39:40] <greycat> The uploader simply tells his intended
downloaders the exact filenames. Then they can be downloaded from
the "unreadable" directory.
2529 [17:40:08] <Kobaz> what about a post-upload script that does
a chmod o-r
2530 [17:40:11] <han-solo> will turn out i couldn't, anyway
2531 [17:40:16] <Kobaz> now the server is upload-only
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2533 [17:40:40] <greycat> So what is the point of having the
upload directory at alL?
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2537 [17:41:34] <miesco> greycat: For people to give me files
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2539 [17:42:02] <han-solo> what files?
2540 [17:42:03] <greycat> OK. All the warnings have been given.
2541 [17:42:10] <greycat> You're on your own here.
2542 [17:42:24] <han-solo> the phrack ones? :)
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2544 [17:43:06] <han-solo> Although the phrack ones, were fun.
Have you guys ever checked textfiles?
2545 [17:43:27] <miesco> greycat: I have umask 077 on all uploaded
files
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2547 [17:44:16] <Ghostbird> miesco: But the FTP server can read
them right?
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2551 [17:44:51] <Kobaz> oh and you should be using sftp
2552 [17:44:51] <greycat> And the FBI can read them if someone
tells them you've got child porn, and they seize your computer?
2553 [17:44:52] <Ghostbird> miesco: So as long as the FTP server
still offers downloads by exact name, they're still accessible.
2554 [17:45:24] <Kobaz> ftp needs to die a quick painless death
2555 [17:45:39] <greycat> (Or substitute a government agency of
your choice, if you are not within the FBI's jurisdiction.)
2556 [17:46:17] <jelly> honestly, ftp with ssl may be cumbersome
but is as secure as any other ssl/tls based service
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2559 [17:46:51] <han-solo> forgive me, for my intriguing thoughts
2560 [17:46:54] <Ghostbird> greycat: Like FBI cares about
jurisdiction :)
2561 [17:46:58] <Kobaz> and tends to be firewall-unfriendly
2562 [17:47:06] <han-solo> what if someone, wget -r's it?
2563 [17:47:09] <Kobaz> because of still using split data/control
ports
2564 [17:47:18] <Kobaz> use sftp and be done with it
2565 [17:47:29] <han-solo> they can do that, right?
2566 [17:47:44] <greycat> No.
2567 [17:47:56] <greycat> Not unless they know the filenames.
2568 [17:48:10] <miesco> Ghostbird: I checked and its not
accessable
2569 [17:48:13] <han-solo> what would happen, i never done that
with ftp
2570 [17:48:32] <han-solo> but wget -r is supposed to fetch
recursively, no?
2571 [17:48:38] <greycat> wget -r only works if it can fetch
something that contains the names of the next things to fetch
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2574 [17:49:02] <han-solo> okay
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2576 [17:49:08] <miesco> unless you brute force the names
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2578 [17:49:17] <Ghostbird> miesco: Well, good luck with your
probably rather pointless, and potentially highly illegal endeavour.
2579 [17:49:38] * miesco turns on ssl
2580 [17:50:11] <han-solo> :}
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2583 [17:51:06] <jelly> let's just say there's a reason
there are no irc bots or ftp sites for warez any more, but private
trackers
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2585 [17:51:38] <miesco> Well my ftp server is off because you
guys scared me (not the legal stuff, but the security stuff)
2586 [17:51:52] <jelly> good :-D
2587 [17:51:54] <jelly> !next
2588 [17:51:54] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2589 [17:52:05] <han-solo> you've got pron! :D
2590 [17:52:08] <miesco> Oh no... it wont stop!
2591 [17:52:09] <han-solo> s/pron/porn
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2593 [17:52:12] <han-solo> damn!
2594 [17:52:47] <miesco> ok nvm it stopped
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2601 [17:54:59] <Manis> Is there a way to get an older kernel
build from jessie-backports?
2602 [17:55:22] <jhutchins> !archive
2603 [17:55:22] <dpkg> somebody said archive was a collection of
files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all
archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a
separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian
releases, see
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2604 [17:55:22] <jelly> !snapshot
2605 [17:55:29] <greycat> Not explicitly *from* jessie-backports,
but you should be able to pull an older .deb file out of the pool.
2606 [17:55:51] <jelly> Manis, look at snapshot.debian.org
2607 [17:55:55] <greycat> !snapshot
2608 [17:55:55] <dpkg>
replaced-url
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2610 [17:56:14] <greycat> Did my "/msg dpkg snapshot"
really prevent it from answering in the channel?
2611 [17:56:20] <jelly> apparently
2612 [17:56:43] <miesco> Oh, firefox doesn't support ftps by
default...
2613 [17:56:53] <greycat> ftps isn't a real thing.
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2615 [17:57:16] <greycat> building a hack on top of FTP is about
as smart as... building a hack *on top of FTP*.
2616 [17:57:31] <Kobaz> ie: not very smart
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2618 [17:59:01] <Manis> greycat, how do you mean not explicitly
from jessie-backports?
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2620 [17:59:44] <greycat> I mean that there would not be some
apt-get command for it.
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2622 [18:00:00] <greycat> Or at least it's not *likely*
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2626 [18:02:26] <jelly> <dpkg> You already asked me
something 0 seconds ago. # LIES
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2634 [18:06:20] <BadPractice> hi, i am trying to set up a mail
server on debian 8. So far i failed miserably 3 times. Anyone knows
where i can find intel, can help me?
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2639 [18:07:31] <greycat> BadPractice: which mail server are you
trying to set up, and what problem are you having?
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2641 [18:07:42] <greycat> ("which" meaning "which
software package")
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2650 [18:09:41] <BadPractice> greycat: i was going for
postfix/dovcot. My problem is that i dont really know how stuff is
supposed to work with authentication. Most tutorials used sql. Do i
need that?
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2654 [18:10:26] <BadPractice> grey i tried
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2658 [18:11:36] <BadPractice> but im not sure if it is even what i
want. I am going to use the mail server all by myself. I dont need a
web interface and want all emails sent to philipp@badpractice.at
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2662 [18:12:48] <BadPractice> greycat: do i make sense? :(
2663 [18:12:59] <greycat> If you simply want to forward ALL email
to that address, just use a simple exim setup with a smarthost and a
list of aliases.
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2667 [18:14:09] <BadPractice> greycat: whats exim? :( something
simmelar to postfix?
2668 [18:14:28] <greycat> Fine, postfix then if you know postfix
better or if you wish to learn postfix instead.
2669 [18:14:31] <lorenzocabrini> BadPractice: it's another
SMTP server
2670 [18:14:50] <greycat> exim is the default in Debian and is
perfect adequate for simple cases like this
2671 [18:14:54] <greycat> +ly
2672 [18:15:09] <greycat> But there's nothing wrong with
postfix either.
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2676 [18:16:15] <BadPractice> greycat: im not sure if simple cuts
it. i wanna be able to choose how to communicate with other servers
(like not alowing only tls)
2677 [18:16:31] <BadPractice> tsl
2678 [18:16:33] <BadPractice> whatever
2679 [18:16:45] <greycat> You said you just wanted to forward all
of the system's email to one address.
2680 [18:16:57] <greycat> Why are you NOW choosing to make it
super stupid complicated?
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2682 [18:18:41] <BadPractice> greycat: ahm... ssl is not secure
anymore?
2683 [18:19:16] <greycat> What the hell, why are you WORRYING
about this shit?
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2685 [18:19:39] <Flippylosaurus> BadPractice: since when is ssl
not secure?
2686 [18:19:45] <lorenzocabrini> BadPractice: communicating with
other mail servers can be much more complicated than you think these
days
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2688 [18:20:09] <greycat> You want to forward all your mail to one
address. So you tell exim "use blah blah as my smart host"
and then you edit /etc/aliases and you tell it to forward root to
me@gmail and fred to me@gmail and so on and then you maybe run
newaliases and it's DONE. That's the WHOLE FUCKING
PROCESS.
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2690 [18:20:23] <Spec> ssl insecure. solution: disable it, prefer
plaintext. scan results: passing
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2692 [18:20:58] <Spec> i have had people literaaaalllly want to do
this
2693 [18:21:15] <teclo-> ssl not secure ?
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2695 [18:21:19] <Spec> teclo-: pls
2696 [18:21:22] <greycat> Do people ACTUALLY think that EMAIL is
secure?!
2697 [18:21:27] <Spec> ^
2698 [18:21:33] <BadPractice> greycat: gmail? i want to connect to
my mail server with thunderbird
2699 [18:21:40] <teclo-> well email is insecure by design
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2701 [18:22:08] <greycat> BadPractice: GMAIL, HOTMAIL, I
DON'TCAREMAIL. You gave some stupid forwarding address with .at
on the end. I did not feel like scrolling back up and hunting for it
to copy/paste it. So I just plugged in gmail.
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2703 [18:22:21] <greycat> Whatever you forward to, it's the
same thing.
2704 [18:22:22] <teclo-> when they created SMTP, only competent
guys in universities had root on the servers
2705 [18:22:42] <BadPractice> greycat: yea i could do that but
thats neighter what i want nor what i asked for?
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2707 [18:23:16] <greycat> I give up.
2708 [18:23:38] <greycat> You said you wanted all your mail to go
to the whoever@whatever.at address. Now you say you don't. I
don't know how to help you.
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2713 [18:25:12] <BadPractice> greycat: i have a domain
badpractice.at. i want all mails who go to *@badpractice.at
delivered to philipp@badpractice.at. I figured that i connect to
philipp@badpractice.at with imap/tls/plain password or something
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2720 [18:27:02] <BadPractice> okey anyone can give me hints
setting up a postfix/coldov mailserver?
2721 [18:27:21] <Spec>
replaced-url
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2726 [18:28:20] <jhutchins> BadPractice: Actually, that's
fairly simple to do if you read the docs.
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2728 [18:28:41] <jhutchins> BadPractice: greycat thought you
wanted to forward to another server.
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2736 [18:31:47] <FaTony> hi, how can I open all files with
specific extension in a directory and replace text inside them?
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2742 [18:33:02] <lorenzocabrini> FaTony: cat *.txt | sed
's/something/else/g'
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2744 [18:33:16] <lorenzocabrini> at least that's the starting
point
2745 [18:33:25] <lorenzocabrini> sed offers a lot
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2749 [18:33:56] <lorenzocabrini> g is global so if you don't
want to do global replace you can leave that out as well
2750 [18:34:09] <FaTony> lorenzocabrini, thanks, will it look in
subdirectories? what if I have slash inside the text I want to
replace?
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2752 [18:34:47] <lorenzocabrini> for slashes, use backspace. For
subdirectories use, **/*.txt, at least on zsh
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2754 [18:35:40] <lorenzocabrini> haven't used bash since i
had a buggy bash on an old mandrake dist
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2758 [18:36:39] <missmbob> FaTony: what he said won't work.
ask the #bash guys
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2760 [18:37:07] <FaTony> ok thanks
2761 [18:37:19] <lorenzocabrini> missmbob: what, the **/* part?
2762 [18:37:24] <yaymuffins> Hello, I have a question, I'm
trying to use OpenVPN in Bridge mode, I have 2 physical interface,
WAN and LAN, I also have a vlan (WAN.832) and the bridge when
it's up (br0)
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2764 [18:37:52] <yaymuffins> Right now when I ifup the brige, 32
seconds later, I loss connectivity on LAN
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2767 [18:38:18] <missmbob> lorenzocabrini: the cat part. you need
a for loop with sed
2768 [18:38:42] <yaymuffins> Here the br0 config in
/etc/network/interfaces:
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2769 [18:38:59] <BadPractice> jhutchins: the documentaition is
well ritten so far but im not sure if this is the right aproach. i
dont know if i can get that working with caldov, if i get it
configured to be state of the art secure and if i will ever finish
reading this + coldov docu entirely
2770 [18:39:02] <missmbob> lorenzocabrini: for what he wants, that
is
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2772 [18:39:14] <lorenzocabrini> missmbob: i use it all the time.
No need for a for loop. At least not with s///
2773 [18:39:22] <missmbob> lorenzocabrini: for what he wants
2774 [18:39:33] <yaymuffins> Anyone has an idea how I could make
it so LAN still work while bridge is up?
2775 [18:39:45] <lorenzocabrini> i was interested in knowing if
bash supports **/* because i just realized i really don't have
a clue
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2780 [18:41:00] <miesco> Two questions. 1) Is there php file
managers that support public, anonymous downloads? 2) I realize ftp
is outdated, but I do not see any _security_ issues if it is just an
anonymous server serving content (with an upload dir). It may
corrupt things, have too many handshakes, but I do not see anything
as a security threat in this scenariou. I am correct?
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2784 [18:42:16] <mutante> miesco: http apache ?
2785 [18:42:19] <BadPractice> at installation postfix asks me what
configuration i want. What do i want?
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2788 [18:43:22] <missmbob> miesco: since this has been beaten to
death for well over an hour now ...maybe #debian-offtopic? it's
not a debian support issue
2789 [18:43:53] <miesco> mutante: Sorry, I mean one were you can
download directories as well
2790 [18:44:03] <mutante> miesco: wget -r
2791 [18:44:07] <teraflops> BadPractice: how the hell are we
supposed to know what you want?
2792 [18:44:54] <BadPractice> jhutchins: what is a smarthost? do i
want "Internet with smarthost" if i use coldov?
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2794 [18:45:29] <mutante> BadPractice: it's a mail relay
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2796 [18:46:01] <mutante> like when another server forwards the
mail for you
2797 [18:46:20] <BadPractice> i guess i stick with no
configuration then...
2798 [18:46:28] <teraflops> yaymuffins: last time I setup openvpn
in bridge mode I followed
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2799 [18:46:52] <mutante> BadPractice: eh, i guess this definition
is right "A smarthost is a mail relay that is specialized to
deal with outbound email. "
2800 [18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> i'm
looking for a cheap VPS. specs are not a issue
2801 [18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> idfk where
to look
2802 [18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> as most
providers on lowendbox.com are just resellers
2803 [18:47:26] <Flippylosaurus> <Flippylosaurus> which go
bankrupt in 3 weeks or smth
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Please use
replaced-url
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2806 [18:47:49] <Flippylosaurus> wow.
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2808 [18:47:57] <Flippylosaurus> couldnt even copypaste a simple
question
2809 [18:48:08] <teraflops> Flippylosaurus: take a look at
replaced-url
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2811 [18:48:54] <Flippylosaurus> teraflops: was trying to say that
but most providers there are resellers which probably go bankrupt as
soon as they appear
2812 [18:49:23] <mutante> Flippylosaurus: ovh.com is pretty cheap
2813 [18:49:33] <teraflops> Flippylosaurus: that's why you
read the threads and the user comments
2814 [18:49:50] <Flippylosaurus> mutante: do they accept PayPal?
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2819 [18:51:34] <mutante> Flippylosaurus: i dont know. it might
depend which country you are in. they are in France.
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2820 [18:52:20] <Flippylosaurus> mutante: ah. dont wanna risk it
2821 [18:52:23] <mutante> one of the sponsors of Letsencrypt gets
a bonus point
2822 [18:53:07] <mutante> what type of risk do you mean here
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2824 [18:54:05] <curtis22> Flippylosaurus,
replaced-url
2825 [18:54:05] <teraflops> mutante: cisco and facebook are
sponsors too is this a bonus ;P
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2831 [18:55:04] <teraflops> Flippylosaurus: oh, try
replaced-url
2832 [18:55:08] <mutante> teraflops: oh.. eh.. for Cisco yes,
Facebook never, j/k :)
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2834 [18:55:14] <teraflops> heh
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2841 [18:56:36] <yaymuffins> teraflops, when I launch their script
2842 [18:56:56] <yaymuffins> I immediately get disconnected from
the machine
2843 [18:56:59] <teraflops> which script?
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2845 [18:57:08] <yaymuffins> bridge-start
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2847 [18:57:13] <yaymuffins> Internet (WAN to LAN) still work
2848 [18:57:21] <teraflops> ah sorry vpn
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2851 [18:57:46] <yaymuffins> but the machine itself (9.1) is not
accessible at all, neither from the LAN or the WAN.
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2861 [18:59:04] <teraflops> yaymuffins: yeah that's fine,
check the routes, the default one and and fix/add it if necessary
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2866 [19:00:33] <teraflops> yaymuffins: if youre in a vps remote
machine that can be a problem, unless you have a serial console
available or something like that
2867 [19:00:40] <teraflops> vps/remote
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2877 [19:04:19] <yaymuffins> teraflops, machine is at home
2878 [19:04:27] <yaymuffins> seem like it's disconnecting LAN
completely
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2881 [19:04:59] <teraflops> yeah because I guess you have not a
default route after doing the bridge-start
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2888 [19:07:48] <yaymuffins> that's my route before the
script
2889 [19:07:50] <yaymuffins>
replaced-url
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2895 [19:09:00] <teraflops> and after the script?
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2899 [19:10:13] <teraflops> also which is the br iface there?
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2903 [19:11:16] <yaymuffins> 2 sec, rebooted as it acted
differently then
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2906 [19:12:55] <teraflops> yaymuffins: this is mine with openvn
in bridge mode
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2909 [19:13:33] <yaymuffins> and for some reason right now, it
seem to work?!
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2915 [19:15:33] <teraflops> for quick and dirty test try appending
the default route you had to to bottom of bridge-start.sh e.g (here)
route add default gw 192.168.199.1. if that works you kno you have
to deal with your routes
2916 [19:15:41] <teraflops> to the*
2917 [19:16:19] <teraflops> I have a cat to feed im out for few
minutes :P
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2923 [19:19:17] <yaymuffins> LAN work, WAN seem to work too
2924 [19:19:24] <yaymuffins> Bind9 died however.
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2930 [19:22:17] <teraflops> yaymuffins: well that's not bad,
you only have to fix bind9 then
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2938 [19:25:53] <Mikerhinos> hi all, new to Debian (coming from
Ubuntu). I'm installing Nvidia driver (pretty complicated
compared to Ubuntu :( ), if I want to use Steam I do have to do
svn-buildpackage --svn-ignore --svn-arch=i386 -us -uc -rfakeroot ?
Because the doc isn't very clear if it will install only the
needed files or the full 32bits driver
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2942 [19:27:19] <missmbob> !steam
2943 [19:27:19] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and
management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged
in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable
<multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with
upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net.
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2944 [19:27:27] <missmbob> yeah, no svn reference there
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2947 [19:28:22] <yaymuffins> I have to leave for now, well, at
least, I still have network for now x)
2948 [19:28:22] <yaymuffins> and I spoke too fast
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2950 [19:28:54] <yaymuffins> once openvpn was started, loose all
connectivity (LAN and WAN) on others machines.
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2952 [19:29:36] <Mikerhinos> missmbob, So it's safe to go
with the doc command ? Don't want to mess driver installation
and reboot on a TTY console lol
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2954 [19:30:06] <missmbob> Mikerhinos: if there's a page on
wiki.debian.org on something *always* use that
2955 [19:30:11] <leba2> In general, if dual-booting with windows,
is it recommended to better set windows's system clock to UTC
instead of Linux to local?
2956 [19:30:23] <Ghostbird> Mikerhinos: What do you mean a
complicated process compared to Ubuntu?
2957 [19:30:23] <Ghostbird> Enable non-free repositories, (you
could've done this during installation when asked, if you knew
you wanted Steam & NVIDIA)
2958 [19:30:23] <Ghostbird> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
2959 [19:30:23] <Ghostbird> sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver
steam
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2961 [19:30:29] <missmbob> Mikerhinos: you get in trouble on
debian when you fuck around with other docs
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2966 [19:31:29] <greycat> leba2: If you *can* set windows to UTC,
why would you not do that? It's just so blatantly, obviously
better. We had the option in the past because Windows
*couldn't* do the right thing.
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2969 [19:33:00] <teraflops> yaymuffins: idk about your network..
and you didn't describe it. you'll have to addapt that
script to your situation obviously.
2970 [19:33:02] <Mikerhinos> Ghostbird, On Ubuntu you have a
"additionnal driver" window, it scans your hardware, and
if you have an Nvidia graphic card, you only have to check like
"install proprietary driver", and it does all
automatically
2971 [19:33:11] <leba2> greycat: aaaahhh. Thanks. And yes, I read
windows could not do it the right way prior to windows 7.
2972 [19:33:41] <greycat> ghostbird hasn't rejoined yet
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2978 [19:36:02] <ctmjr> Mikerhinos: here steam is easy on debian
replaced-url
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2983 [19:37:58] <leba2> Was ghostbir's really flooding?
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2989 [19:40:56] <missmbob> leba2: policy is you're not
supposed to do more than two lines. he did a few. /msg dpkg paste
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2992 [19:41:44] <missmbob> leba2: also /msg dpkg enter
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2996 [19:42:17] <Flippylosaurus> test
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3000 [19:42:59] <Flippylosaurus> testing testing 123
3001 [19:43:08] <Flippylosaurus> seems that my connection is
broken
3002 [19:43:08] <Flippylosaurus> rip
3003 [19:43:20] <missmbob> Flippylosaurus: /msg dpkg if you want
to test. don't flood us
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3007 [19:44:28] <Flippylosaurus> missmbob: thank you
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3042 [19:56:07] <mutante> after converting an Ubuntu system to
jessie, i am missing a package for chromium-browser ..hmm
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3045 [19:56:46] <mtn> mutante: how did you "convert"
ubuntu to debian?
3046 [19:56:48] <missmbob> there is no "converting"
3047 [19:56:48] <greycat> "converting"
3048 [19:56:59] <missmbob> and yes, debian uses chromium, not
chrome
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3051 [19:57:14] <greycat> you can also get google-chrome from a
google repository if you prefer
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3053 [19:57:24] <mutante> i used the word converting because i
reinstalled but applied the same puppet classes
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3056 [19:57:50] <missmbob> !tell mutante about chromium
3057 [19:57:55] <mutante> thanks
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3061 [19:58:33] <mutante> missmbob: ok, but it says chromium is
what's missing
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3065 [19:59:32] <croddy> mutante then there is probably a bug in
your puppet class. i can take a quick look if you want to discuss it
in #puppet
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3069 [20:00:00] <mutante> croddy: it's just that "E:
Package 'chromium-browser' has no installation
candidate"
3070 [20:00:14] <missmbob> yes. it's called chromium
3071 [20:00:17] <missmbob> ,v chromium
3072 [20:00:18] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.9.14.1-2; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 50.0.2661.94-1~deb8u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
51.0.2704.79-1~deb8u1; sid: 51.0.2704.79-1; stretch: 51.0.2704.79-1
3073 [20:00:30] <croddy> if you are not going to read the link
that dpkg messaged you then i rescind my offer
3074 [20:00:33] <mutante> oh :) that was easy
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3080 [20:02:45] <mutante> yes, thanks. i read the wiki page
(sheehs, that was all within the same minute)
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3082 [20:03:42] <mtn> heh
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3086 [20:04:44] <awal1> How to list manually installed pkgs? I
know I can check apt logs, but wondering if I can make dpkg
--get-selections or apt/aptitude show only manual installs
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3090 [20:05:09] <greycat> awal1: dpkg -l
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3095 [20:08:12] <awal1> greycat, yeah I know about dpkg -l but the
output is similar to --get-selections. My idea is make dpkg or any
other system packaging tool list installed pkgs filtering them by
automatically installed and manually installed
3096 [20:08:42] <greycat> oh, you'd need aptitude for that
probably
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3110 [20:12:58] <Elvano> Hey lot. I'm currently trying to
reinstalling Debian on my laptop. I wanted to encrypt my disk but as
I selected an encrypted volume I accidently forgot to reserve some
space for my boot partition. Is there a way, from the installer, to
remove the encrypted volume?
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3113 [20:15:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, if you see none and have it
in front of you...
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3116 [20:15:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can always drop out to a
shell and do stuff
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3118 [20:16:49] <Elvano> I'm sorry, I didn't quite get
that
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3122 [20:19:20] <croddy> the partitioner in the installer has a
way to discard the changes and start over.
3123 [20:19:24] <missmbob> you'd probably already be done if
you had just started over
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3127 [20:21:38] <Elvano> That would help if it were a partition
3128 [20:22:26] <Elvano> But I think I'll have to use the lvm
tools from the shell for this then
3129 [20:22:37] <missmbob> i'm not even going to pretend that
made sense
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3135 [20:25:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's interesting the
installer lets you have an encrypted lvm without an unencrypted
/boot
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3138 [20:26:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> some guy claimed he didn't
have an unencrypted /boot... I can't imagine how that would be
supposed to work
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3143 [20:28:11] <missmbob> CutMeOwnThroat: it's possible
it's a just a serious pain in the ass.
replaced-url
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3145 [20:28:36] <missmbob> CutMeOwnThroat: and pointless imo
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3151 [20:31:17] <DammitJim> do you guys know if there is an easy
way to set up exim to only send emails to certain domains and email
addresses?
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3154 [20:31:24] <DexterF> hi
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3162 [20:33:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm. interesting
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3165 [20:33:48] <jhutchins> CutMeOwnThroat: encrypted root
requires that grub/initrd have the ability to decrypt.
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3167 [20:33:57] <DexterF> smartctl reports for one SSD "total
LBA written 1447823829" - how much is 1 LB? the drive's
block size? how to tell?
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3170 [20:34:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, but they can
3171 [20:34:23] <itaipu> sad thing this bug:
replaced-url
3172 [20:34:24] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
3173 [20:34:28] <itaipu> in strecht ?
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3175 [20:34:52] <missmbob> itaipu: see /topic. stretch support is
in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, not here.
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3177 [20:35:37] <jhutchins> missmbob: We do support testing and
even unstable here, there's just not as much expertise.
3178 [20:35:59] <jhutchins> missmbob: Many of the people here
don't run them, whereas most in D-N do.
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3180 [20:36:06] <missmbob> yeah, like we support bash but still
point people to #bash. best place for help is useful
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3185 [20:36:40] <missmbob> jhutchins: i'm not sure why you
felt the need
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3188 [20:37:48] <itaipu> missmbob: cannot join it. Have to have an
invatation
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3190 [20:38:05] <missmbob> itaipu: because you didn't read it
carefully. irc.oftc.net. you're on freenode right now
3191 [20:38:07] <jhutchins> itaipu: It's on
oftc.net/irc.debian.net
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3194 [20:38:35] <itaipu> hum... thks
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3206 [20:41:47] <awal1> About apt-mark showauto/showmanual in man
apt-mark I see "All automatically installed packages will be
listed if no package is given." So apt-mark showauto/showmanual
works and the list is so long :P But I dont understand "if no
package is given" part.
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3209 [20:42:09] <greycat> Seems pretty clear.
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3214 [20:42:30] <awal1> apt-mark showauto xfce4 returns 0 output
3215 [20:42:38] <greycat> because it wasn't in the list
3216 [20:42:52] <greycat> now try with something that's IN
the list
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3222 [20:44:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> I can foresee the next 100
questions... like ... xterm is on my list
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3224 [20:45:13] <greycat> Mine too, and that's the same one I
tested.
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3228 [20:47:13] <awal1> greycat, I dont understand how it works.
apt-mark showmanual lists mate-desktop-environment, for example, but
how I can check which pkgs mate-desktop-environment have installed
automatically. I only want that (example)
3229 [20:47:41] <greycat> How would I know? You're the one
who found apt-mark. I've never even heard of it.
3230 [20:47:53] <awal1> :D
3231 [20:47:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> hehe... same here
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3233 [20:48:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> actually... that question is
wrong
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3235 [20:48:38] <greycat> I suspect you're looking for
information that *does not get stored*. Information about events in
the past.
3236 [20:48:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, apt-cache rdepends
<package>
3237 [20:49:07] <greycat> Each package that is installed *right
now* is marked as either "manual" or
"automatic". No hierarchy, no relation graphs....
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3239 [20:49:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, *I* think he wants to know
the reason why that package is present/installed and can't be
removed with autoremove
3240 [20:49:50] <greycat> If A depends on B and A is currently
installed and marked manual, and B is currently installed and marked
automatic, you don't whether B was brought in because of A or
because of Q.
3241 [20:50:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> so maybe you make clearer what
you want to know
3242 [20:50:16] <missmbob> god i hate Q
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3246 [20:51:42] <awal1> the last greycat message is the current
"problem"
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3248 [20:51:50] <zifxify> Little guide which I wrote how to
install debian jessie (lvm on luks) from a debian-standard iso:
replaced-url
3249 [20:52:06] <zifxify> actually stretch
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3252 [20:52:16] <missmbob> ugh.
3253 [20:52:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, why is that a problem
3254 [20:52:37] <awal1> CutMeOwnThroat, my questions are almost
related to removals
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3257 [20:53:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, what is it?
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3259 [20:54:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can see where/why an
automatically installed package was installed in the apt or aptitude
and in the dpkg logs
3260 [20:54:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> but what's the point
3261 [20:54:26] <awal1> so bcoz I usually no install recommends
& suggests but when pkg C is installed by pkg B as dependencie
and recommended by pkg A, if you remove pkg B, pkg C still there
bcoz A recommends it :P
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3263 [20:55:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> and then you do an apt-get
autoremove and they're all gone
3264 [20:55:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> so?
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3267 [20:55:47] <awal1> C doesn't go bcoz in fact A
recommends it
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3271 [20:58:19] <awal1> C installed by B as dependency apt wont
consider it when autoremoving bcoz originally A recommends it
3272 [20:58:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> not if you have disabled them
permanently
3273 [20:58:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> although I can't say I
tested that
3274 [20:58:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg apt-recommends
3275 [20:58:38] <dpkg> Packages required in all but unusual cases
(that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called
"recommended" packages. By not installing these packages,
you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once,
"aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get
--no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable
permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" >
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
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3305 [21:09:54] <awal1> Resuming "If A depends on B and A is
currently installed and marked manual, and B is currently installed
and marked automatic, you don't whether B was brought in
because of A or because of Q." as greycat said is a nice
deduction. thats my current problem. Anyway, thanks for your time
guys. No problems here, just trying to learn & understand debian
packaging system/tools...
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3318 [21:14:55] <zifxify> Check out this site for customizing
GUI's:
replaced-url
3319 [21:15:32] <missmbob> zifxify: why do you just keep pasting
shit?
3320 [21:15:47] <zifxify> missmbob: maybe useful
3321 [21:15:51] <zifxify> ?
3322 [21:15:55] <missmbob> zifxify: no one asked. that's spam
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3327 [21:16:15] <missmbob> zifxify: if you want go to
#debian-offtopic
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3341 [21:21:00] <CuteMeOwnThroat> why would I get "No route
to host" to my work pc at uni (traceroute showing only a
response from localhost) while I can connect to another host at the
same university without problems
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3344 [21:22:08] <jhutchins> Isn't there a rule that UIDs
above a certain value can't open lower-numberd ports (like 80)?
3345 [21:22:24] <greycat> those values are 0 and 1024
3346 [21:22:28] <croddy> :)
3347 [21:22:37] <greycat> unless you change things in this crazy
linux-only capacity stuff
3348 [21:22:57] <greycat> an equally sensible strategy is to
IGNORE that and just treat linux like unix
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3364 [21:30:20] <dka> I am tryin to tar all the folders from a
folder by giving to the tar command the -C arguments (change working
directory), however, this work if I add after a folder name but
doesn't if I had "." or * at the end of the tar
command. Any suggestion?
3365 [21:30:32] <greycat> Don't crosspost your question to
multiple channels.
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3368 [21:31:14] <dka> ok :|
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3424 [22:00:45] <Neon> I've run a dist-upgrade from Wheezy to
Jessie on my dedicated server and everything went fine. Then I
rebooted and then I couldn't connect via SSH to the server
anymore. I activated a rescue console and have access to my drives
now. But actually, I'm pretty lost. Can you help me
troubleshooting?
3425 [22:01:24] <Neon> I mean I have no idea where I should search
for what.
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3428 [22:02:03] <mutante> Neon: when you could not connect via
ssh, what was that like? was there an error message or did it just
timeout
3429 [22:02:21] <Neon> mutante: Timeout.
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3431 [22:02:48] <Neon> So probably the SSH service didn't
start properly?!
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3433 [22:03:18] <mutante> Neon: i would try looking at
/var/log/syslog and then try to find the moment when it stopped
working
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3436 [22:03:56] <mutante> Neon: like you will see when it rebooted
and then follow the messages from there
3437 [22:04:03] <mutante> Neon: also "dmesg"
3438 [22:04:04] <greycat> No, if ssh didn't *start* but
everything else were normal, you would get connection refused. NOT a
timeout.
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3454 [22:09:24] <multilingual> i have installed jessie, lightdm
and MATE on my computer and i use it in english. i will share the
computer with 3 other people. Each one of them speak only their own
native language (spanish, french and portuguese). i want those users
to use the graphical user interface and all its applications in
their respective language. How can this be done?
3455 [22:09:26] <Neon> At least I cannot find any line with
"error" in it in the syslog (and the right timestamp)
3456 [22:09:45] <Neon> mutante: Wouldn't I need the original
system up for dmesg?
3457 [22:10:04] <greycat> Use dpkg-reconfigure locales to build
the locales you want, and then set up accounts for each user and
configure each account for the right locale.
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3459 [22:11:02] <mutante> Neon: oh yea, that's right. try
/var/log/boot.log maybe
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3461 [22:11:35] <multilingual> greycat, with dpkg-reconfigure
locales i built the locales i want but how can i configure each
account for the right locale?
3462 [22:11:42] <jhutchins> multilingual: I'm pretty sure the
greeter/login manager will be the same for all three, not sure how
you do multi-language on that.
3463 [22:11:43] <Elirips> hello. With ls -ls /tmp/foo I see the
permissions of the content of /tmp/foo, but what if I would like to
have only permissions of /tmp/foo ? If I do 'ls -lh /tmp/'
I have to scroll / grep to find 'foo'.
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3465 [22:11:47] <Neon> mutante: Don't have such a file.
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3468 [22:12:23] <greycat> Can't you CLICK on something to
configure the users' sessions? Failing that, put their
LANG=whatever into whichever dot file is appropriate for whatever
GUI you're using.
3469 [22:12:41] <jhutchins> Neon: Neon /var/log/dmesg(.*) might
exist.
3470 [22:12:52] <jhutchins> !bootlog
3471 [22:12:52] <dpkg> bootlogd is used to record boot messages to
/var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases,
install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0
"Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils
package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable.
3472 [22:13:05] <jhutchins> However, we now have systemd which
does something different.
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3474 [22:13:49] <mutante> Neon: what kind of rescue console is
this? can you use it to watch the console output while you boot the
machine?
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3479 [22:15:14] <Neon> mutante: I don't know. I think
it's just a bootable image with a mini linux. My hoster's
wiki mainly tells me to examine my drives with it. So I think I can
just reboot the server to get the normal system running again.
3480 [22:15:48] <Neon> Here's the link, if you'd like to
have a look:
replaced-url
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3483 [22:17:19] <Neon> I have a /var/log/dmesg. What should I look
for?
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3486 [22:17:53] <multilingual> greycat, can you please tell me
step by step what i have to do to configure each account for the
right locale?
3487 [22:17:54] <Neon> mutante: I could manually set up a service
that monitores log output from boot on.
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3489 [22:18:09] <mutante> Neon: ok, yea, you cant do that then.
but you could if you'd have their other product that links to.
the LARA console
replaced-url
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3491 [22:18:13] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yeah, I think that's just
an image on a ramdisk or so.. faintly remember using it once
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3493 [22:18:32] <greycat> multilingual: No, I literally
can't, because I don't use MATE. I don't know where
or how you configure such a thing in MATE.
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3496 [22:19:12] <mutante> Neon: maybe pastebin the dmesg log there
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3498 [22:20:44] <multilingual> greycat, are you more or less
fluent in any of the languages i mentioned, apart from english
obviously?
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3500 [22:21:11] <greycat> no
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3502 [22:22:31] <Neon> mutante:
replaced-url
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3505 [22:24:00] <CuteMeOwnThroat> multilingual, setting LANG in
the respecive user's .profile or .bashrc doesn't do the
trick?
3506 [22:24:22] <multilingual> CuteMeOwnThroat, will try that out.
thanks
3507 [22:24:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I am not sure if a shell is
involved early enough, though
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3509 [22:24:46] <mutante> Neon: the problem is at the end . eth0:
link down .. well. that could be broken cable but since you said it
happened after upgrade ...
3510 [22:25:02] <Neon> Missing driver? :{
3511 [22:25:05] <CuteMeOwnThroat> for the whole graphical
interface to switch... just look around in "settings"?
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3514 [22:25:45] <greycat> CuteMeOwnThroat: I would expect
you'd want to use ~/.xsession or ~/.gnomerc instead of a shell
file.
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3516 [22:26:03] <greycat> CuteMeOwnThroat: whatever the hell
lightdm and/or MATE use... figuring that out is the hard part.
3517 [22:26:05] <mutante> Neon: eth0: RTL8168e/8111e there you
have the chipset name to start with
3518 [22:26:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yeah, maybe. I had just hoped a
shell is used to parse a script some time early on
3519 [22:26:21] <mutante> Neon: unfortunately Realtek has not the
best reputation
3520 [22:27:07] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and I have some faint
unflattering memories of .xsession and .xinitrc
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3522 [22:27:52] <mutante> Neon: i think you need to install the
firmware and that would fix it
3523 [22:28:14] <mutante> Neon: but: firmware: agent loaded
rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw into memory and then it fails.. so yea
3524 [22:28:17] * greycat continues not having installed, researched, or
reverse-engineered any of MATE, Gnome3, KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE, and
whatever the hell else we need to know how to configure years ago
but still don't know
3525 [22:28:49] <mutante> Neon: try searching the bug database for
that rtl8168e maybe .. sorry. not sure what's going on there
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3528 [22:29:25] <mutante> Neon: or maybe send a mail to hetzner
support with that log attached
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3531 [22:29:58] <jil> Hi all
3532 [22:30:45] <tulphoon> hi
3533 [22:30:49] <jil> I just instaled debian jessie with KDE and
I'm not able to use any icon theme different than default one.
Can someone help me ?
3534 [22:31:11] <CuteMeOwnThroat> greycat, ratpoison?
3535 [22:31:50] <greycat> Don't recall seeing a lot of
questions on that one....
3536 [22:32:04] <jil> all icon themes i tried to install are not
present in the icon theme list
3537 [22:32:29] <dka> I am trying to preserve ownership on tar
uncompression. Is there any way to do so ? I have tried with
"-xpzf --same-owner", I still all the files extracted for
root user
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3541 [22:33:39] <greycat> dka: are you doing it on a Windows file
system that doesn't *have* a concept of UIDs?
3542 [22:33:51] <Neon> mutante: I found something, but I
don't really have the knowledge to understand it. A user writes
that he got around the issue by doing a PXE boot instead of a HD
boot.
3543 [22:33:52] <dka> I am on linux, on an EXT3 filesystem
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3545 [22:34:49] <mutante> Neon: i think that's different.
your system already boots just wont bring up the network card
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3547 [22:35:05] <Neon> mutante: His workaround is setting the boot
order primarily on PXE, letting it timeout, then use the HD boot as
secondary.
3548 [22:35:20] <Neon> mutante: Nono, his did as well. He writes
that his network didn't work after rebooting.
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3550 [22:35:51] <Neon> He wrote the RX counter didn't
increment, only TX, leading to networking failure.
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3556 [22:36:33] <Neon> But he found out that the PXE boot
procedure does something that makes the network card work, he
doesn't know what, though.
3557 [22:36:56] <Neon> My problem is I don't know what PXE
boot is nor how to set up the boot priority.
3558 [22:37:04] <mutante> Neon: well, you can just try it. you
have the rescue console and nothing to "lose" currently
since it's down already
3559 [22:37:14] <Neon> I'd need to go into BIOS for that,
wouldn't I?
3560 [22:37:32] <mutante> yes
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3562 [22:37:57] <Neon> I can't do that remotely, can I?
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3565 [22:38:26] <mutante> that's the other type of console
again. that LARA console they let you upgrade to
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3567 [22:38:45] <mutante> there you could hit F12 and stuff like
when you are sitting in front of it
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3569 [22:38:59] <Neon> Yeah, it's free for three hours, then
they'd charge me.
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3571 [22:39:41] <mutante> better than nothing, didnt know
3572 [22:39:47] <Neon> That gives me a weird feeling. Maybe
I'll ask the support first, if it's not fixable via recue
system only.
3573 [22:40:14] <mutante> yep, cant hurt to tell hetzner
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3575 [22:40:48] <mutante> sounds like you might not be the only
one
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3589 [22:50:16] <SerajewelKS> is there a reason why vgdisplay
doesn't display the group's allocation policy?
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3591 [22:50:27] <SerajewelKS> the manpage doesn't indicate
any way to get the policy to display in the output
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3601 [22:56:54] <Neon> mutante: In case we won't talk to each
other anymore in this session: Thank you very very much for your
help. Without users like you I'd be in deep shit. I've
sent a mesage to the hoster now and in case they
won't/can't help me I'll try the LARA thing.
I'll have to find out what exactly to do, though...
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3609 [22:59:17] <mutante> Neon: you're welcome. good luck.
what you can also try is get to see the grub screen during boot and
try booting the non-default (older) kernel
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3612 [23:00:01] <mutante> Neon: or editing grub config from your
current rescue console maybe, to get the same thing
3613 [23:00:09] <jil> I just instaled debian jessie with KDE and
I'm not able to use any icon theme different than default one.
Can someone help me ?
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3630 [23:05:00] <awal1> Should I really consider 'lsat'
suggestions?
replaced-url
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3632 [23:05:42] <kboratynski> What tool would you recommend me to
have system-wide report? I mean: firewall configuration, runned
services, processes, listening ports... so on?
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3637 [23:07:27] <jil> I just instaled debian jessie with KDE and
I'm not able to use any icon theme different than default one.
Can someone help me ?
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3651 [23:16:43] <leba2>
replaced-url
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3656 [23:19:43] <awal1> jil, in kde system settings somewhere
there there is a place for choose which icons you want to use
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3658 [23:20:10] <teraflops> kbreplaced-url
3659 [23:20:14] <teraflops> oh
3660 [23:20:53] <jil> awal1, in system settings/application
appareance/icons
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3662 [23:21:17] <awal1> jil, there, I think so
3663 [23:21:25] <jil> I tried to download icon set from the tool
but icons set i installed are not shown
3664 [23:21:31] <jil> I tried lot of them
3665 [23:21:33] <awal1> I dont use kde right now
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3667 [23:22:05] <awal1> jil, you may have to relogin in your kde
session
3668 [23:22:10] <jil> now i try to install one of them manually
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3670 [23:22:39] <jil> i installed these icons set yesterday I i
rebooted since
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3672 [23:22:58] <awal1> jil, oh, you are using kde system settings
and download icons from kde websites?
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3675 [23:24:17] <jil> I tried the system settings way to download
icon set
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3679 [23:24:40] <jil> but since it does seems to work, i'm
trying to download and install one icon set manuelly
3680 [23:24:57] <awal1> the is a #debian-kde
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3682 [23:25:06] <awal1> you may get more help there
3683 [23:25:24] <awal1> in OFTC server ^
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3688 [23:25:56] <awal1> there si ^:P
3689 [23:25:57] <awal1> is
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3693 [23:26:45] <jil> need irc client to get there?
3694 [23:27:22] <awal1> how you are connected to freenode?
3695 [23:27:28] <jil> from webui
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3697 [23:28:23] <missmbob>
replaced-url
3698 [23:28:38] <awal1> ^jil
3699 [23:28:40] <missmbob> btw you probably just need to log out
and back in
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3701 [23:28:54] <missmbob> but i don't use kde. *shrug*
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3703 [23:29:42] <jil> thank you
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3708 [23:30:35] <jil> bye
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3726 [23:37:16] <jhutchins> Don't I recall that there's
a certain UID above which you can't open ports below, what,
1024 or something?
3727 [23:37:24] <greycat> 0
3728 [23:37:38] <greycat> root can open (listen on) ports 1-1023
3729 [23:37:38] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins: only root can, unless you
grant the capability
3730 [23:37:40] <greycat> nobody else can
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3733 [23:38:08] <greycat> 15:22 greycat> an equally sensible
strategy is to IGNORE that and just treat linux like unix
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3736 [23:38:58] <jhutchins> Ok, so apache as UID 33 has no special
privileges that apache as UID 10052 has.
3737 [23:39:13] <jhutchins> No more special.
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3739 [23:39:37] <greycat> Debian uses
replaced-url
3740 [23:39:39] <jhutchins> Keeping service accounts below a
certain number is just for neatness.
3741 [23:39:49] <jhutchins> greycat: Right. Apache is quicker to
type.
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3745 [23:40:31] <jhutchins> In any case, there would be no issue
if the
replaced-url
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3749 [23:40:59] <jhutchins> ...assuming everything else was done
correctly.
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3755 [23:42:39] <Neon> mutante: Apparently a kernel upgrade should
fix the error. If I'd only have known that before when I had
apt-get access on the running system. :S Now I need to do it
manually via the rescue system.
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3761 [23:45:53] <miesco> ,v ykpersonalize
3762 [23:45:54] <judd> No package named 'ykpersonalize'
was found in amd64.
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3766 [23:46:54] <miesco> ,v yubikey-personalization
3767 [23:46:55] <judd> Package: yubikey-personalization on amd64
-- squeeze: 1.3.2-1squeeze1; wheezy: 1.7.0-1; jessie: 1.16.0-1;
stretch: 1.17.2-1+b2; sid: 1.17.2-1+b2
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3771 [23:47:23] <missmbob> miesco: you can /msg judd btw
3772 [23:47:28] <miesco> Does anyone get "insuffient
permissions" on a new yubikey with 'ykinfo -v'?
3773 [23:47:43] <miesco> missmbob: Oh I see. I was trying to /msg
dpkg
3774 [23:48:29] <miesco> Oh it must be udev permissions?
3775 [23:48:46] <mutante> Neon: upgrade or .. downgrade though
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3777 [23:49:03] <miesco> Oh I see, run as root...
3778 [23:49:12] <mutante> Neon: but good that you got a reply :)
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3785 [23:52:08] <Neon> mutante: I had a look at the grub config.
The menu entries have 3.16.0-4-amd64 and 3.2.0-4-amd64. I assumed
the 3.16 entry came with Jessie.
3786 [23:52:28] <Neon> Isn't that the current stable kernel?
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3790 [23:53:17] <missmbob> stable is 3.16...unless you're
using backports. that's 4.6
3791 [23:53:18] <mutante> Neon: not sure, but try "the other
one"
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3794 [23:53:55] <Kobaz> the wireless at this motel is tehsux
3795 [23:53:58] <Neon> I found out that I could set GRUB_DEFAULT
to my older one, but then I'd have to remake the grub.cfg and
that's a problem from the rescue system, isn't it? Any
idea how I can hack it into the grub.cfg (for once)?
3796 [23:54:00] <Kobaz> can't get wpa to sync up
3797 [23:54:07] <SerajewelKS> today i learned why it's a bad
idea to blindly remove safety measures from my LVM configuration
that past me put in place for a good reason
3798 [23:54:43] <Neon> GRUB_DEFAULT doesn't appear to be in
the grub.cfg so it must be processed by grub-mkconfig somehow.
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3800 [23:54:50] <mutante> Neon: is there no
"update-grub" command?
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3802 [23:55:10] <SerajewelKS> the short story is that i extended
the / lv into a pv that was encrypted with a key stored somewhere in
/
3803 [23:55:48] <teraflops> Neon: because you do not edit grub.cfg
by hand, you edit /etc/default/grub
3804 [23:55:53] <SerajewelKS> if i'd thought for two seconds
i would've realized why that's a bad idea and why i set
the allocation policy for / to cling
3805 [23:56:04] <Neon> mutante: The manpage says it's just an
alias for grub-mkconfig with a default -o option set. The problem is
here that I cannot tell grub-mkconfig where to take the config from,
can I? Or should I just temporarily replace the /etc/default/grub of
the rescue system?
3806 [23:56:20] <Neon> The one from my original system currently
resides at /mnt/etc/default/grub
3807 [23:56:49] <mutante> Neon: yea, i would think you tell it
it's at /mnt/etc/default/grub
3808 [23:57:06] <Neon> How? I checked the manpage and there seems
to be no option.
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3811 [23:57:33] <mutante> i dont know :/ just had to ask for grub2
support myself the other day
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3813 [23:58:19] <teraflops> Neon: the chroot
3814 [23:58:21] <teraflops> then*
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3824 [23:59:55] <Neon> teraflops: :) I'll try that.
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