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15 [00:31:01] <nifker> Why is there no such package for qt5? But
qt4-linguist-tools exists?
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17 [00:31:33] <mmance> I am trying to change the gdm3 resolution
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19 [00:32:07] <themill> Ademan: I remember the apt people
talking about this and I thought it existed in bullsye/sid already
(but I can't find it in the documentation)
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21 [00:33:00] <themill> nifker: qttools5-dev-tools has lrelease
and lupdate if that's what you're looking for
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46 [00:55:33] <asterismo_l> well, i tried everything
47 [00:56:20] <pfred1> you tries turning it off and on again?
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76 [01:23:54] <asterismo_l> adding acpi parameters to grub,
tried pm-suspend, echo "mem" | sudo tee /sys/power/state,
but it cannot resume after suspend
77 [01:24:03] <asterismo_l> i get distorted graphic and system
freeze
78 [01:24:16] <asterismo_l> is there anything else i can try?
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82 [01:31:07] <tomreyn> asterismo_l: suspend and whether or not
it works well is highly platform specific. you did not provide
ubuntu release, hardware or firmware information
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84 [01:31:35] <tomreyn> for supported ubuntu releases, use
systemd-sleep, not pm-utils
85 [01:31:59] <asterismo_l> it is a Dell Precision 530 MT Dual
Xeon, with Intel 82860 chipset
86 [01:32:06] <quadrathoch2> *cough* you are probably talking
about debian release ;) not ubuntu
87 [01:32:12] <asterismo_l> i'm running Debian 10 buster
i386
88 [01:32:16] <tomreyn> oops, right
89 [01:32:33] <tomreyn> ahem, debian of course
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91 [01:32:39] <asterismo_l> i was running Debian 7 before, and
suspend/resume worked perfectly well out of the box
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93 [01:33:57] <tomreyn> see systemd-suspend.service(8)
94 [01:34:26] <tomreyn>
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99 [01:37:04] <tomreyn> i would recommend switching to amd64
soon
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101 [01:38:53] <tomreyn> especially with smp
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106 [01:41:54] <asterismo_l> what does this grub parameter does?
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="vga=0"
107 [01:42:21] <tomreyn> your CPU is probably vulnerable to some
spectre variants, too, and EOL, and needs to be replaced soon.
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109 [01:43:07] <asterismo_l> tomreyn, like most Intel CPUs
manufactured until 2015 o 2016... the kernel mitigates that anpways
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111 [01:43:51] <tomreyn> kernel mitigates partially, potentially
fully with firmware support
112 [01:44:11] <tomreyn> i386 patches still less complete than
amd64
113 [01:44:29] <asterismo_l> thanks for the advice
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2280 [02:18:23] <sponix> sney:
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2281 [02:18:34] <rk4> rrn: wait...virtualbox isn't even in
debian stable because oracle :< -
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2282 [02:18:35] <judd> Bug
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2285 [02:19:55] <sney> virtualbox packages are no longer in stable
because of that bug; however, virtualbox *guests* are still
supported, and the vbox* modules are in mainline linux. so it
depends what end of virtualbox you're on.
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2288 [02:20:50] <sney> sponix: if you want mxlinux support
you'll have to get a forum account
2289 [02:20:53] <sney> !antix
2290 [02:20:53] <dpkg> antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to
install systemd-free linux live CD distribution based on Debian
Stable for Intel-AMD x86 compatible systems (
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2291 [02:21:03] <oerheks> sponix, at least you have the final
adobe flashplayer, jolo
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2293 [02:21:54] <sponix> oerheks: Yeah, I actually had something
say it required flash :P
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2295 [02:22:10] <rrn> rk4, well it doesn't quite
matter...point is, the system was shut off when apt-get upgrade was
running at the actual filesystem manipulation stage, most likely...
2296 [02:22:16] <sponix> needless to say, that thing is way out of
date also
2297 [02:22:52] <rrn> rk4, I saw Virtualbox operations, then it
began seriously thrashing, I switched to a text console, and it kept
timing out
2298 [02:23:02] <rrn> rk4, after like half an hour I shut the
power off
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2300 [02:24:08] <sney> rrn: boot the system again, run 'apt
-f install', and see if it can recover itself automatically. if
it can't, provide specifics.
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2302 [02:25:28] <rrn> sney, ok, thanks
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2311 [02:38:39] <asterismo_l> in messages, i see this ACPI:
(supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5)
2312 [02:38:52] <henko> is somebody here using zathura? I
can't set the font to Terminus (bitmap font). It ignored the
setting. Does somebody know a solution?
2313 [02:39:00] <asterismo_l> but the PC BIOS allows me to switch
to S1 or S3
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2325 [02:42:59] <eb0t> henko when i had problems setting the font
..it was normally becuase the font was not installed on the system
2326 [02:43:18] <eb0t> so it defaults to an available font
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2329 [02:44:47] <henko> eb0t: true, I also noticed that expected
behavior, but I'm using Terminus everywhere.
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2331 [02:45:01] <eb0t> ah ok
2332 [02:46:20] <__dutch__> henko: is zathura using pango? if so,
pango dropped support for bitmap fonts in v. 1.44
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2344 [02:55:21] <henko> __dutch__: aaaahhh that might be it
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2346 [02:58:55] <henko> anybody else having that issue, you need
this font:
replaced-url
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2352 [03:07:40] <Deyaa> Hello
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2354 [03:08:23] <Deyaa> Why can't I put underscore in
hostname??
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2376 [03:33:35] <rk4> Deyaa: man 5 hostname might provide some
hints
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2378 [03:35:47] <Ede|Popede> Deyaa, the exact question:
replaced-url
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2383 [03:37:45] <Deyaa> But why android phones use it without
problems? rk4 Ede|Popede
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2385 [03:40:05] <Ede|Popede> no idea what android phones do, but
can you reach them using these hostnames? can you ping them?
2386 [03:41:37] <Ede|Popede> oh, hostname vs domain name
replaced-url
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2392 [03:49:36] <Ede|Popede> lol it seems completely broken
replaced-url
2393 [03:49:45] <Ede|Popede> a FIXED INVALID hostname Oo
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2402 [04:03:32] <eb0t> hey how do you know how many man pages
there are for hostname
2403 [04:03:38] <eb0t> i normally type man hostname
2404 [04:03:46] <eb0t> how to know to type man 5 hostname
2405 [04:04:10] <eb0t> didnt even know that page existed
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2409 [04:06:59] <__dutch__> eb0t: man -k hostname or apropos
hostname
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2411 [04:07:14] <Ede|Popede> or man -a hostname
2412 [04:07:15] <eb0t> thanks __dutch__
2413 [04:07:30] <eb0t> thanks Ede|Popede
2414 [04:07:53] <Ede|Popede> oh my goodness, just did -k /o\
2415 [04:12:24] <rk4> "Sams teach yourself Linux in 24
hours", circa 1999, was where i learnt these topics
2416 [04:12:52] <rk4> was an effective book, despite expectations
2417 [04:13:17] <pfred1> it did not take me 24 hours to learn how
to spell Linux because I am a fast learner
2418 [04:14:56] <rk4> yeah but 23 hours to master a 5 letter word
is only a minor boast
2419 [04:19:00] <ryouma> gotta start someplace
2420 [04:19:17] <ryouma> i learned unix by trying 1 letter
commands then 2 letter commands
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2426 [04:20:38] <rk4> how long did the 1 letters take
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2429 [04:22:19] <ryouma> 26 * n
2430 [04:22:33] <ryouma> within an afternoon i had figured out
some basics like ls
2431 [04:22:36] <pfred1> I am curious what 1 letter commands there
are
2432 [04:22:57] <ryouma> there might have been none or htere might
have been an alias or dunno maybe 1 or 2 existed
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2434 [04:23:41] <ryouma> but it said "there is news" so
i tried news, which was some non-usenet thing. then i found usenet.
2435 [04:23:49] <ryouma> and there is maiol so i tried mail
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2439 [04:24:40] <ryouma> and i read the entire usenet spool in one
afternoon, skipping over net.basketball
2440 [04:24:48] <rk4> $ apropos '.*'|awk
'length($1) == 1 {print $1}'
2441 [04:24:48] <rk4> [
2442 [04:24:49] <rk4> w
2443 [04:25:08] <ryouma> ah
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2446 [04:25:38] <ryouma> then it was man pages and apropos. and i
learned sh from the man page. which is astonishing at this point.
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2448 [04:25:58] <pfred1> it seems like there's only 2 1
letter commands in /usr/bin
2449 [04:26:10] <Ede|Popede> o
2450 [04:26:20] <rk4> w is a bit of an anomally, the shortest
command but increasingly rarely used
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2453 [04:26:37] <ryouma> oh i didn't say i knew the
caommands. i tried keys. and 1 or 2 were commands.
2454 [04:26:38] <pfred1> there's X too
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2456 [04:28:01] <Ede|Popede> not a reliable method, you probably
don't have all of them installed (seems o isn't available
here atm either)
2457 [04:28:33] <ryouma> o?
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2459 [04:29:05] <pfred1> I am pretty sure I have all of the
expected core packages installed
2460 [04:29:44] <Ede|Popede> don't ask me. i just remember it
having been too often in mc's commandline after trying to C-o
the panels and being executed when trying to cd
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2462 [04:30:27] <pfred1> might have just been an mc thing?
2463 [04:30:35] <pfred1> I was never a fan myself
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2465 [04:30:58] <pfred1> must be why it is not installed
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2467 [04:31:24] <rk4>
replaced-url
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2469 [04:31:28] <Ede|Popede> no, it executes whatever is in the
cmd when pressing enter. maybe i should keep ctrl pressed just a bit
longer :)
2470 [04:31:31] <rk4> s/thing/nothing/
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2472 [04:33:55] <Ede|Popede> maybe an alias or a function from
somewhere
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2476 [04:38:43] <pfred1> or some weird shell internal
2477 [04:42:14] <f8e4> folks, i do 'xset q' and after
suspend to ram dpms is back on!
2478 [04:42:23] <f8e4> how to permanetnly 'xset -dpms'!
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2481 [04:43:38] <pfred1> could put it into your ~/.xinitrc file
2482 [04:44:14] <pfred1> then every time X starts the command is
issued
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2485 [04:45:52] <pfred1> I have xset m 3/2 0 & in mine
2486 [04:46:09] <pfred1> I think that has something to so with the
mouse?
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2521 [05:43:27] <sponix2ipfw> ever run an AMD GPU for the primary
display and a Nvidia one for nvenc in the same machine?
2522 [05:45:32] <dvs> ???
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2570 [07:13:50] <bradd_> having a problem deleting a raid array
from the partitioner in the installer.. can anyone tell me how?
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2573 [07:15:27] <rk4> you can switch to a shell in the installer,
and do it the old fashioned way
2574 [07:15:58] <rk4> also, what is this 'raid array'
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2576 [07:16:41] <bradd_> using 2 mirrored disks as a raid 1 array
for '/'
2577 [07:18:52] <rk4> mdadm mirror? lvm mirror? btrfs mirror? [i
don't recall what the installer UI supports]
2578 [07:19:04] <bradd_> mdadm
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2582 [07:21:52] <bradd_> k, I did it from the command line. thanks
for the help
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2714 [10:30:34] <mrig> Hello
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2717 [10:32:18] <mrig> I am trying to install debian into a
prexisting LUKS container: How can I get and use cryptsetup before
running the disksetup so that my encrypted container and its LVM
partitions are available from the setup options?
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2731 [10:50:28] <another> i think you can switch to a console with
alt+f2
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2743 [11:07:56] <mrAZ> Hi, what is the correct approach to get
binaries starting without typing path in buster? e.g.
ifup<enter>, instead of /usr/sbin/ifup<enter>? Where to
set env variables?
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2747 [11:12:08] <goksin> env variables are strored in $SHELL
configuration files. You can set $PATH in conf file statically, or
export $PATH wheren ever you need it.
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2751 [11:14:20] <mrAZ> so i have to include export
PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin/ in ~/.bashrc , ~/.zshrc ... etc separately, or
is there some way to set it for all shells?
2752 [11:15:52] <goksin> Each shell has its own configuration
file, therefore you need to edit all shell configuration files
2753 [11:17:15] <mrAZ> goksin: thx
2754 [11:17:23] <goksin> You are welcome
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2761 [11:32:16] <DaRock> hey guys
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2763 [11:33:15] <DaRock> I'm guessing there'd be a wider
range o users here using ldap/krb5 auth - how do you get
lightdm-webkit2-greeter to cooperate with those users?
2764 [11:33:47] <DaRock> I can only get local users showing, and
manual login is impossible
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2766 [11:34:44] <pyrrhus> hi, I'm looking for some advice on
installing software that isn't available in official Debian
repositories. For university I
2767 [11:36:04] <pyrrhus> am required to use MS Teams. I did use
the official repository but didn't like the idea of having a
vendor repo in my source list that could update any one of my
packages. Do you think this is something I should realistically
worry about?
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2770 [11:40:29] <NetTerminalGene> pyrrhus: you may use snap or
flatpak if msteams on there
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2780 [11:50:17] <pyrrhus> NetTerminalGene: I switched over to
flatpak but was having some issues with that version. The official
repo version seemed to work so much better, that's why I want
to know if I can switch back without having to worry about microsoft
pushing a package update and breaking my system
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2782 [11:51:31] <NetTerminalGene> pyrrhus: good luck then
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2786 [11:54:01] <goksin> pyrrhus: Any update to external repos are
limited only for one specific software package. Ypu can update or
unisntall it via package manager.
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2788 [11:54:16] <Mister00X> pyrrhus: does M$ provide Teams as .deb
on their website as a download or are they providing their repo
only?
2789 [11:55:35] <goksin> pyrrus: I am running zoom on Debian 10
with official debian repos and zoom has only one ".deb"
package for install and remove
2790 [11:55:59] <Mister00X> Because if they are providing a
downlodable .deb you could install it manual with apt
2791 [11:56:25] <goksin> The down size is Zoom does not offere ant
repo. You need to manually download, install, remove and update with
apt ony.
2792 [11:56:52] <goksin> Updating is removing old package and
aintslling the newone manually.
2793 [11:57:07] <goksin> I think it may be the same for M$teams
2794 [11:57:33] <goksin> Zoom did not break anything yet ;)
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2796 [11:58:03] <jelly> goksin, MS has working apt repos for their
skype, teams, vscode builds
2797 [11:58:57] <goksin> jelly: thanks for info. I will keep that
in mind
2798 [11:59:21] <pyrrhus> goksin: oh right. so only the ms teams
package can be updated by that repo? I am just hesitant with the
idea that a non-official debian repo is able to inject whatever
software they please when I update my system but maybe this is not
possible anyway?
2799 [11:59:57] <jelly> pyrrhus, you are right in that any package
can be updated, apt works that way
2800 [12:00:23] <pyrrhus> Mister00X: there is a .deb package on
their site, however it seems that it adds the repo any way, at least
it seems that way when I looked through the .deb archive
2801 [12:01:15] <Mister00X> pyrrhus: Oh so you can't be safe
from their PPA. How evil
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2803 [12:01:47] <pyrrhus> Mister00X: yes, it's quite
intrusive
2804 [12:01:54] <goksin> Well importing software to Debian
requires using of official tools and repos. I think M$ is not that
stupid to inject anything unofficial.
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2806 [12:04:56] <Mister00X> I don't believe M$ will do
something like that with their repos. I just don't like the
idea of M$ adding repos to my system or to be precise of anyone
beside me adding repos
2807 [12:07:09] <pyrrhus> could someone explain to me, or direct
me to, how software is installed on Linux systems? For example when
I use apt install, what files are installed on my system? Does apt
simply download a bunch of executable binaries and put them in the
correct directories on my system?
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2809 [12:07:30] <goksin> Absolutely it does
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2811 [12:07:49] <goksin> Debian packagre are two kind: Binary and
source packages
2812 [12:08:16] <goksin> Binary packages are compiled and ready to
deploy software by package mangement tools
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2816 [12:08:47] <goksin> Source packages are for users who want to
appy custom config and buid their own packages
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2818 [12:09:07] <goksin> APT and APTITUDE are cli tools, synaptics
is a GUI tool
2819 [12:09:52] <Haohmaru> Synaptic
2820 [12:09:53] <goksin> A package manager simply installs all
binary stuff to proper directories, edits configuration files
(sometimes) and stops
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2822 [12:10:06] <Mister00X> pyrrhus: I should mention if you ever
want to uninstall Teams the repo created by the package will not be
deleted form /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ you will have to do that by
hand
2823 [12:11:02] <goksin> Romeval is done in to ways: Either purge
(remove all config files and binaries) or remove (keep config files)
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2826 [12:11:50] <goksin> Anything in $HOME directories will reside
there. So you can remove $USER related files manually when ever you
need it
2827 [12:11:56] <Haohmaru> purge and bleach
2828 [12:12:11] <goksin> That is the simples form I can tell.
Anything missing please insert
2829 [12:12:53] <pyrrhus> will purge not remove config files that
reside in the $HOME dir?
2830 [12:13:00] <goksin> Synaptic is easy if you are not
comfortable wtih CLI
2831 [12:13:06] <pyrrhus> and thank you for such a detailed
explanation
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2833 [12:13:34] <goksin> $HOME is fır users. Software mangement
tools won't intefere with that
2834 [12:13:34] <jelly> pyrrhus, nothing in users' home dirs
gets touched by package management, ever, in debian
2835 [12:13:53] <jelly> other distros might have different
policies
2836 [12:14:10] <pyrrhus> interesting! I wish I had known that
previously
2837 [12:14:18] <goksin> If software mangemnt tools interfere
$HOME directories things may get annoying
2838 [12:14:56] <goksin> I did that once upon a time and result
was horrible. An usable dektop environment and nothing works except
mouse ;)
2839 [12:15:15] <pyrrhus> I read something about installing
binaries to a user home directory to keep it separate from the rest
of my system. How could I go about doing that with MS Teams for
example? I'm also a little confused as to how dependencies
would work in this scenario
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2842 [12:16:45] <goksin> pyrrhus: I am not familiar with that.
AFAIK, build sourcecode requires some of the files on prefdefined
directories in order to work
2843 [12:17:23] <goksin> In case of CHROOT, all necessary files to
run a software is placed under that directory to emulate a system
for sohtware to run
2844 [12:17:36] <goksin> I think that is what it is about.
2845 [12:17:37] <NetTerminalGene> pyrrhus: you can use firejail
sandox software
2846 [12:17:44] <NetTerminalGene> sandbox*
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2848 [12:19:42] <pyrrhus> goksin: so does that mean I could
theoretically just install a binary along with any of it's
needed dependencies in the same directory and the software should
work out of there?
2849 [12:20:10] <pyrrhus> NetTerminalGene: I will look into that,
thank you
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2851 [12:21:41] <ayekat> pyrrhus: that usually won't work -
tools usually expect things like libraries, configuration files, ...
in specific places
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2853 [12:22:31] <ayekat> in many cases, you can make software
search its stuff in other places, but it often depends on how it was
written, built, and... even if it is possible, it involves a lot of
tinkering
2854 [12:22:31] <goksin> pyrrus: It is
2855 [12:23:32] <ayekat> ah wait, missed the chroot point - ignore
what I wrote ^^'
2856 [12:23:59] <goksin> CHROOT is not easy. You need to know all
the files needed for operation and configure it the way it is
supposed to work
2857 [12:24:13] <Ede|Popede> pyrrhus: usually i put things into
/usr/local. works with firefox and some other tools too. sometimes a
.deb isn't even crucial, unpacking it manually and throwing the
file into it also works. depends on how the software is designed.
some settings may be needed which are done during normal apt
installation by the included scripts.
2858 [12:24:14] <goksin> It is not an easy task.
2859 [12:24:42] <Ede|Popede> if it's just about not putting
files into aptland.
2860 [12:25:32] <Ede|Popede> goksin: i thinl debtree could help?
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2862 [12:25:39] <Ede|Popede> s/l/k/
2863 [12:25:51] <pyrrhus> okay, that makes sense, I think I was
getting a little confused with building from source in the home
directory, not just placing binaries in there. The only scenario
that would work is if it was a statically linked binary right? So
for example a golang executable file
2864 [12:26:53] <ayekat> pyrrhus: for binary executables, you
could set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to have the dynamic linker search
libraries in your home directory as well, so it doesn't
necessarily need recompiling
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2866 [12:27:06] <ayekat> but... not that I would recommend going
down that line :-/
2867 [12:27:22] <pyrrhus> Ede|Popede: lol I like that way of
correcting typos
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2870 [12:27:52] <Ede|Popede> heh, i got used to it
2871 [12:28:05] <goksin> Ede|Popede: I think so. It's been a
long time since I had been to CHROOT installs
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2873 [12:28:41] <pyrrhus> ayecat: okay, that went over my head a
little. I don't really understand dynamic linking all too well.
2874 [12:28:53] <goksin> I might probably forgot many details and
many things has changed till now
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2876 [12:29:39] <goksin> dynamic lininkg is like borrowing a tool
or ask a friend for help to do someting for you.
2877 [12:30:18] <goksin> Static linking is like being the experti
and doing all the work by yourself
2878 [12:30:27] <Ede|Popede> pyrrhus: think "DLL". you
have files with ressources *somewhere* where the programs can find
them when they are started. plural because it's not necessary
for each of them to bring their own copy. it's already there.
2879 [12:30:32] <goksin> a bad example I guess
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2881 [12:31:20] <goksin> :-D
2882 [12:31:20] <Ede|Popede> it's like the web function these
days. just use the same cdn code like a million other people.
2883 [12:31:29] <goksin> Good one!
2884 [12:32:01] <Ede|Popede> and if a library (say, one that
returns the bigger of 2 integers) is removed... half of the web is
broken!
2885 [12:32:25] <pyrrhus> goksin: no, your example was good. thank
you
2886 [12:32:39] <pyrrhus> Ede|Popede: that also makes sense to me
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2888 [12:33:40] <goksin> Thank you
2889 [12:34:02] <pyrrhus> I think I understand the core idea and
differences between the two but I more mean that I don't
understand exactly how the linking takes place and works. For
example, does the program need the dependency linked at compile time
or run time?
2890 [12:34:12] <pyrrhus> I've been learning quite a lot
about linux recently and it's mostly just been from tinkering
and fudging around. What do you think would be a good way to learn
the ins and outs of linux from the ground up? I would like to
understand all the ins and outs. I was thinking to maybe find a
book. Any recommendations?
2891 [12:34:43] <Ede|Popede> or: it's just our whole
production is working for centuries already. i've one seen sth
on tv explaining the way of a simple bottle of beer: the content,
the glass, the paper.... may make hundreds of km until your local
brewery's product reaches your home.
2892 [12:35:06] <ayekat> pyrrhus: if compiled for dynamic linking,
the executable simply says "I need library XYZ when
running" - when being started, the OS will then make sure to
dynamically link library XYZ to the executable when launching it
2893 [12:35:16] <goksin> Get an real harware and tinker with it.
readl all the books and documantation you can get. Always hand on
imperative
2894 [12:35:18] <goksin> I have to log out and get back to my
mundane daily life. See you all later. Bye for now
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2896 [12:35:33] <ayekat> pyrrhus: you can run `ldd {program}` to
see all the dynamic libraries that a {program} would want - the OS
is then responsible for filling the gaps
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2898 [12:35:48] <Ede|Popede> '"Sams teach yourself Linux
in 24 hours", circa 1999' has been recommended yesterday,
not sure if there's a newer edition
2899 [12:37:35] <Ede|Popede> basics are much the same, the more
basic, the less they tend to change. think hardware: there's
some new media each decade, same for new memory technology. but
generally PCs still work more or less the same.
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2901 [12:38:45] <Ede|Popede> only we don't use lilo anymore.
and now systemV init is waving goodbye.
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2904 [12:41:25] <pyrrhus> Ede|Popede: thank you for the
recommendation, I will take a look
2905 [12:41:41] <Ede|Popede> pyrrhus, maybe
replaced-url
2906 [12:41:59] <Ede|Popede> at least it's for buster, which
is a big plus
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2908 [12:42:38] <Ede|Popede> i started myself with just the docs
on the cd and then a generic linux book, iirc not even mentioning
specific distros
2909 [12:43:11] <Ede|Popede> and then
replaced-url
2910 [12:45:13] <Ede|Popede> the page could need some attention.
the Rheinwerk book is on Stretch and and the Dutch one on Buster.
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2924 [13:06:12] <pyrrhus> thank you! I really should use the
official documentation more
2925 [13:06:29] <pyrrhus> I am going to leave now but thank you
everyone for your help
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3003 [14:36:45] <admin0> is it possible to execute script as a
part of netplan ?
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3007 [14:38:27] <rapids> admin0,
replaced-url
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genius IQ score ?
3046 [15:15:46] <dvs> 130
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3052 [15:23:14] * deeplogic uses the Wellington Liunx Distro {based on
Debian}
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3056 [15:25:04] <deeplogic> Wellington is the oldest living
penguin in captivity. Free Wellington !
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3059 [15:26:24] <deeplogic> is the word "Debian" a
registered trade mark ?
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3061 [15:27:12] <ansimita> deeplogic: yes,
replaced-url
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3063 [15:28:03] <deeplogic> yes, i just found that
3064 [15:28:05] <deeplogic> tnx
3065 [15:29:11] <ndim> Is there a place I can just "git
clone" to find the debian/ sources for Debian packages?
3066 [15:31:56] <ndim> Or how can I find how packages build
packages for Debian?
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3068 [15:32:20] <ndim> I have a Raspberry with Raspbian which I
can use for basic things, but I really just wanted to check (in my
role as upstream) what Debian packages make from my upstream
release, preferably on my normal non-Debian system.
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3076 [15:43:52] <deeplogic> ndim: you can get the source packages
with apt-get
3077 [15:44:14] <deeplogic> ndim:
replaced-url
3078 [15:45:06] <deeplogic> long url's do provide more
information
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3096 [16:01:46] <ndim> deeplogic: Doesn't that give me just
the current source snapshot? I am looking for the commit history
with comments to the /debian/ subdirectory.
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3098 [16:03:04] <n4dir> ndim: the changelog ain't sufficient?
3099 [16:03:30] <n4dir> that is: really the commit history
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3101 [16:07:09] <ndim> n4dir: debian/changelog is a summuary of
the commit history. I cannot tell what actually changed in the other
debian/ files to implement the changes summarized in the changelog.
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3103 [16:08:02] <deeplogic> n4dir: is there a patch log ?
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3106 [16:09:25] <ndim> Wait a minute... how does Debian build
packages in the first place? Do package maintainers just upload
basically a tarball to be built, and which they construct locally
using git, svn, files or whatever method they want to use?
3107 [16:09:36] <n4dir> deeplogic: if you go to
packages.debian.org; then to the package, it has a patch history, it
seems
3108 [16:09:58] <deeplogic> marvelous
3109 [16:10:49] <ndim> I am coming from a distribution where the
package source is in a public git repo, and that git repo is where
packages are built from. Nobody says every distribution must use the
same system architecture.
3110 [16:10:54] <n4dir> deeplogic: i seem to recall something with
a git repo, but can't find it. Perhaps try #packaging (on oftc
irc server, i assume)
3111 [16:11:20] <ndim> OK, thanks, will try over there.
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3114 [16:14:41] <n4dir>
replaced-url
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3118 [16:16:13] <n4dir> ndim: ^^
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3123 [16:20:58] <deeplogic> n4dir: ndim: there's an
interesting git repo for gnutils ->
replaced-url
3124 [16:21:30] <deeplogic> there may be be other project git
repos more specific to your needs
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3131 [16:26:23] <ndim> n4dir, deeplogic:
replaced-url
3132 [16:27:36] <n4dir> glad you found it. Thanks for the info too
(i will probably have forgotten it once i need it again, but you
never know :-) ). :-)
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3140 [16:39:00] <ndim> n4dir: Oh. I just found that I had already
noted the tracker.debian.org link a few years ago.
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3216 [17:44:04] <jelly> <ndim> Wait a minute... how does
Debian build packages in the first place? Do package maintainers
just upload basically a tarball to be built, and which they
construct locally using git, svn, files or whatever method they want
to use? # yes, you got it right :-)
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3219 [17:45:25] <jelly> up to and including "whatever method
they want to use"
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3221 [17:46:45] <sney> it's nice when they do use salsa,
because that makes it possible to find out "does this package
have that patch" without having to actually consult the
maintainer
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3223 [17:46:53] <jelly> except it's two tarballs and a
signature these days
3224 [17:47:21] <teclo-> evening, I changed my DNS server in the
GUI in Debian GNU/Linux 10.x
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3226 [17:47:28] <teclo-> but it doesn't seem to have any
effecter
3227 [17:47:31] <teclo-> effect*
3228 [17:47:48] <teclo-> firefox-esr still goes to the wrong DNS
server
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3230 [17:48:02] <teclo-> any idea of what I have done wrong or
forgotten ?
3231 [17:48:18] <jelly> sney, you can look up the contents of
debian/ over on sources.debian.org, regardless of whether salsa
gitlab is used for source package maintenance or not
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3233 [17:49:12] <jelly> teclo-, what does /etc/resolv.conf say
right now, and did you quit and start firefox after the change
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3235 [17:50:15] <teclo-> hi jelly thanks
3236 [17:50:41] <teclo-> a I just did invoke-rc.d networking
restart and now /etc/resolv.conf has the appropriate vvalue :)
3237 [17:51:22] <teclo-> yeaah it works :)
3238 [17:51:27] <teclo-> thank you jelly
3239 [17:51:39] <sney> I always forget about sources.debian.org.
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3252 [17:55:11] <teclo-> yeah the trick was to
/etc/init.d/network-manager restart
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3254 [17:55:18] <teclo-> after changing in the GUI
3255 [17:55:33] <teclo-> (or perhaps is there a more elegant
solution, I don't know :) )
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3296 [18:27:50] <archetech> I got 2 mesa's installed
3297 [18:27:50] <archetech> <archetech> lol any apt gurus
here to remove the origianl and leave the experimental one?
3298 [18:27:50] <archetech> <archetech> got 20.2 and 20.3
3299 [18:28:09] <archetech> on debian arm bullseye
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3303 [18:32:02] <sney> !debian-next
3304 [18:32:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
replaced-url
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3308 [18:34:00] <archetech> ok
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3310 [18:34:25] <jelly> they're going to ask you to
3311 [18:34:26] <jelly> !bat
3312 [18:34:26] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose
your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete
output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used)
2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL
packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache
policy". Use
replaced-url
3313 [18:34:33] <wwilliam> how to resolve this?
3314 [18:34:34] <wwilliam> 20201221-12:16:44] [ERROR] X server for
display 23 startup timeout
3315 [18:34:46] <wwilliam> [20201221-12:16:44] [ERROR] another
Xserver might already be active on display 23 - see log
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3317 [18:34:59] <wwilliam> how to kill whatever is on display23?
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3551 [21:21:00] <asterismo> hi
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3554 [21:21:41] <dvs> lo
3555 [21:21:43] <asterismo> well, i installed debian 8 and 9 in a
spare HDD and tried suspend/resume, and it does not work in all of
them
3556 [21:22:08] <asterismo> so, debian 7 is the latest version in
which suspend/resume is supported in my system
3557 [21:22:59] <towo`> buy a ssd, then you don't need than
nonsense
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3559 [21:23:49] <dvs> and Debian 8 is when systemd took hold.
Hmmmm...
3560 [21:23:51] <sney> some intel 8xx support thing was lost
between linux 3.2 and 4.9, it sounds like (which isn't too
shocking)
3561 [21:25:21] <greycat> jessie was linux 3.16 IIRC
3562 [21:25:46] <sney>
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3563 [21:25:57] <sney> oh, jessie. yes, well
3564 [21:26:33] <sney> judd steered me wrong. :<
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3573 [21:32:33] <oxek> asterismo: fwiw suspend/resume never worked
for me on any linux system, except high-end workdstations certified
to run linux
3574 [21:33:06] <oxek> it's ancient magic that is unlikely to
ever work properly on non-windows systems
3575 [21:33:20] <asterismo> this is a Dell Precision 530
workstation that is certified for RedHat i think
3576 [21:33:25] <dvs> oxek: it works on both my desktop and laptop
3577 [21:33:37] <asterismo> but suspend/resume worked out of the
box in Debian 7
3578 [21:33:51] <oxek> asterismo: then it should work. Have you
tried debian10, perhaps with kernel 5.10 from backports?
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3580 [21:34:18] <asterismo> i tried kernel 5.9 and it does not
work either
3581 [21:34:19] <oxek> dvs: it's random, it works for some,
it doesn't for others. I'm one of the unlucky one.
3582 [21:34:47] <oxek> asterismo: is that the version with nvidia
graphics?
3583 [21:35:42] <asterismo> the workstation?
3584 [21:35:45] <oxek> yes
3585 [21:36:01] <asterismo> it has no video, i use a nVidia Riva
TNT2 of 32MB
3586 [21:36:14] <asterismo> very old, but it works pretty fine
3587 [21:36:43] <asterismo> can i install kernel 3.2 from wheezy
in debian 10?
3588 [21:36:48] <oxek> I'm not familiar with how things are
nowadays regarding drivers & such old cards, sorry.
3589 [21:36:51] <asterismo> so it is the kernel?
3590 [21:36:58] <oxek> yes
3591 [21:37:05] <oxek> unless you got the drivers from elsewhere
3592 [21:37:46] <oxek> if nouveuaux (I can't spell it) is
being used, then suspend won't work. If proprietary nvidia
drivers are used, then suspend won't work either.
3593 [21:37:51] <oxek> that's my experience
3594 [21:38:11] <sney> chances are good that linux power
management drivers "upgraded" in ~2013 and that dropped
support for whatever motherboard is in that thing
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3597 [21:38:52] <sney> suspend support was always kind of wonky in
those days anyway, and particularly on non-laptop hardware
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3603 [21:40:34] <oxek> sney: is new hardware (lets say from 2019+)
any better? I thought it's still terrible because hardware
vendors don't care about linux, and suspend/resume is not a
standards-based thing.
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3607 [21:41:23] <sney> oxek: every post-2012 laptop I've had
has supported suspend in linux without complaint. I haven't
tested it much on desktops.
3608 [21:41:36] <oxek> asterismo: it's very unlikely
you'd be able to install kernel 3.2 in modern debian
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3611 [21:42:23] <sney> asterismo's machine was made in 2001,
and they were still figuring out the kinks in acpi at that point. I
still kinda suspect that if you tried a kernel with bios APM
support, it might work better
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3613 [21:42:45] <sney> but bios apm support is also something
that's been gone by default for 10+ years
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3620 [21:47:06] <asterismo> i remember some apm setting in grub
line
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3622 [21:47:26] <asterismo> the BIOS says it supports suspend mode
S1 or S3
3623 [21:47:50] <sney> S1 and S3 are acpi states, and you
can't have both acpi and apm enabled at the same time.
it's either/or
3624 [21:48:36] <sney> and debian's kernels don't have
apm support enabled by default anymore; the CONFIG_APM stuff is
still in kernel.org's Kconfig, so it might be possible to build
a custom kernel with it enabled
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3628 [21:51:08] <sney> and yep, the driver is still in upstream
linux. so it should be buildable, if not usable.
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3629 [21:51:52] <mrkramps> asterismo, have you tested suspending
in S1 mode?
3630 [21:51:55] <asterismo> sney, could i try adding in grub
acpi=off apm=on something along those lines?
3631 [21:52:11] <asterismo> S1 does not work either in newer
debian
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3633 [21:52:24] <sney> asterismo: again, the apm driver is *not*
in modern debian kernels. adding a grub option does not magically
change that.
3634 [21:52:32] <asterismo>
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3636 [21:52:39] <asterismo> ok
3637 [21:52:50] <asterismo> i'll try building a custom kernel
then
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3641 [21:54:05] <mrkramps> i'd probably start with the
acpi_sleep kernel parameter, testingg with s3_bios and s3_mode
3642 [21:54:19] <asterismo> sney, but you think i could try to
install kernel 3.2 for testing?
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3647 [21:54:36] <mrkramps> because i still understand
asterismo' problem to be about the display not waking up
3648 [21:54:39] <asterismo> mrkramps, i tried that and didn't
worked
3649 [21:54:55] <sney> asterismo: see
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3650 [21:55:04] <asterismo> i also disabled nouveau driver and did
not worked
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3652 [21:55:11] <asterismo> nomodeset
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3654 [21:55:35] <asterismo> sney, thanks
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3656 [21:55:53] <asterismo> hey, this box is a true beauty from
2002's
3657 [21:55:57] <mrkramps> asterismo, you already confirmed
it's only display? so, the machine would be remotely available?
3658 [21:56:00] <asterismo> 2GB of RAMBUS
3659 [21:56:14] <asterismo> mrkramps, no, i cannot ssh to it
3660 [21:56:19] <asterismo> it freezes
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3662 [21:56:33] <mrkramps> ok, than it's of course not just
graphics
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3664 [21:58:29] <asterismo> the only difference with and without
nouveau enabled, is that with nouveau i can see a distarted desktop
image when it freezes, and without it, it just freezes with the
blank screen
3665 [21:58:48] <sney> which is probably just framebuffer stuff
and not really related to the suspend issue
3666 [21:59:04] <mrkramps> ok, but the real point is it is
freezing even for ssh
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3669 [22:01:19] <sney> the real point is that nobody should be
shocked that acpi suspend is broken on a workstation with a chipset
that came out a year before acpi 2.0 was published
3670 [22:01:49] <sney> and a 2010s attitude of "yeah just use
the backport kernel and install firmware" is only appropriate
for 2010s hardware. :P
3671 [22:02:33] <mrkramps> sney, absolutely true, but for me -
already having spend some hours with him - the matter of ssh was
still an open question
3672 [22:02:34] <sney> (even Dell wouldn't use draft acpi on
a *workstation*, even if it snuck into some contemporary desktops)
3673 [22:02:38] <asterismo> sney, but it worked out of the box in
Debian 7
3674 [22:02:51] <asterismo> Debian 7 is 2013-2015?
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3676 [22:03:12] <HelloShitty> Hello. I created a sparse file with
'dd' command and then, formatted it as a 'btrfs'
filesystem. After formatting I mounted it on a folder inside /media.
But when I try 'ERROR: not a valid btrfs filesystem:
/media/btrfs', I get an error saying that this is not a btrfs
filesystem. Any reason for this error?
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3678 [22:03:37] <sney> asterismo: debian is pretty good about
supporting legacy hardware, but that doesn't make the hardware
not legacy. eventually you have to do extra work to keep it all
running
3679 [22:03:39] <HelloShitty> ups, screwed up message
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3681 [22:04:20] <mrkramps> sney, is there a simple way to test if
kernel was build with APM support?
3682 [22:04:27] <mrkramps> in general
3683 [22:04:46] <HelloShitty> Hello. I created a sparse file with
'dd' command and then, formatted it as a 'btrfs'
filesystem. After formatting I mounted it on a folder inside /media.
But when I try to run 'btrfs filesystem show
/media/btrfs', I get an error saying 'ERROR: not a valid
btrfs filesystem: /media/btrfs'. Any reason for this error?
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3685 [22:05:04] <petn-randall> mrkramps: probably by checking the
config it was compiled with in /boot/config-*.
3686 [22:05:08] <sney> mrkramps: broadly, 'grep APM
/boot/config-$(uname -r)
3687 [22:05:30] <asterismo> sney, yeah, i know. It's just
that usually working things, dont stop working because of
software... over time
3688 [22:05:35] <mrkramps> sney, thanks!
3689 [22:05:43] <asterismo> maybe they do, more often that i can
imagine
3690 [22:05:47] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: Did mounting it
succeed?
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3693 [22:06:15] <asterismo> CONFIG_X86_APM_BOOT=y
3694 [22:06:15] <asterismo> CONFIG_APM=m
3695 [22:06:15] <asterismo> # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is
not set
3696 [22:06:15] <asterismo> # CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE is not set
3697 [22:06:15] <asterismo> # CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set
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3699 [22:06:16] <sney> asterismo: they totally do, but usually
it's hardware that is no longer common, so few people notice.
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3701 [22:06:28] <sney> asterismo: they totally do, but usually
it's hardware that is no longer common, so few people notice.
3702 [22:06:38] <sney> which kernel was that? and don't paste
to the channel
3703 [22:06:43] <asterismo> sorry, wrong paste
3704 [22:06:56] <asterismo>
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3705 [22:07:09] <wwilliam> jhutchins: that is the relevant info in
the log.
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3707 [22:07:40] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: it did. I mounted
using 'sudo mount -t btrfs volume.fs /media/btrfs'
3708 [22:07:57] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: Can you share the
output of `mount`?
3709 [22:07:57] <sney> asterismo: what kernel is that? your paste
doesn't say the version. wheezy?
3710 [22:08:03] <HelloShitty> I already tried to copy a file
inside the mount point and it also copied ok
3711 [22:08:18] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: ok
3712 [22:09:15] <asterismo> 4.19.0-13-686-pae
3713 [22:09:17] <asterismo> debian 10
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3715 [22:09:44] <sney> ohhh maybe it's disabled on amd64
3716 [22:09:52] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: this is the line from
'mount' where you can see it mounted:
/home/psysc0rpi0n/Documents/encryption/volume.fs on /media/btrfs
type btrfs (rw,relatime,space_cache,subvolid=5,subvol=/)
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3722 [22:12:34] <sney> ,v apmd
3723 [22:12:35] <judd> Package: apmd on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.2-15;
stretch: 3.2.2-15+b2
3724 [22:13:12] <asterismo> so? i could try ocpi=off apm=on on
grub?
3725 [22:13:29] <asterismo> does my kernel have this?
3726 [22:13:31] <sney> if those are the right arguments for those
modules, maybe, but you'll still need userland support
3727 [22:13:49] <sney> apmd of course is gone since jessie
3728 [22:13:59] <greycat> since stretch, it says
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3730 [22:14:25] <sney> it does say that. why am I reading
everything backwards today? anyway
3731 [22:16:07] <sney> and of course #891698
3732 [22:16:08] <judd> Bug
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3733 [22:16:29] <mrkramps> noice
3734 [22:17:01] <mrkramps> literal suicide
3735 [22:17:54] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: Have you tried passing
the path of the file instead?
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3746 [22:26:10] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: how come? Pass the
absolute path to the mount command?
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3749 [22:27:03] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: `btrfs filesystem show
/home/psysc0rpi0n/Documents/encryption/volume.fs`
3750 [22:27:12] <HelloShitty> ah, no
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3752 [22:27:17] <HelloShitty> will do that
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3755 [22:29:04] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: result is the same
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3757 [22:29:16] <HelloShitty> $ btrfs filesystem show
/home/psysc0rpi0n/Documents/encryption/volume.fs
3758 [22:29:18] <HelloShitty> ERROR: not a valid btrfs filesystem:
/home/psysc0rpi0n/Documents/encryption/volume.fs
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3760 [22:29:41] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: also:
3761 [22:29:43] <HelloShitty> $ file volume.fs
3762 [22:29:46] <HelloShitty> volume.fs: BTRFS Filesystem
sectorsize 4096, nodesize 16384, leafsize 16384,
UUID=f963c2a1-6247-40bf-8716-c5d50cc07e6f, 131072/268435456 bytes
used, 1 devices
3763 [22:30:14] <HelloShitty> It recognizes the filesystem but
somehow, btrfs doesn't like it
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3766 [22:30:38] <HelloShitty> Anyways, don't bother. I'm
going to use LUKS to encrypt this file
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3768 [22:31:06] <HelloShitty> I was thinking I could have a Luks
formated volume but use a btrfs filesystem
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3773 [22:31:35] <HelloShitty> but luks has it's own supported
filesystems, luks, luks2 and a compatibility mode aes-loop or
something like that
3774 [22:31:40] <HelloShitty> accoring to luks man pages
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3776 [22:31:49] <HelloShitty> s/accoring/according
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3791 [22:34:32] <petn-randall> luks? LUKS knows nothing about
filesystems, it takes an encrypted block device on one end and
offers an unencrypted one on the other end. You can put whatever
filesystem on it that you want.
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3796 [22:38:32] <HelloShitty> yes
3797 [22:38:36] <HelloShitty> nevermind what I just said
3798 [22:38:41] <HelloShitty> I'm still reading about
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3800 [22:39:15] <HelloShitty> I'll format the volume after I
have created the encrypted volume
3801 [22:39:57] <HelloShitty> What kind of keys can I use as a
password to created the encrypted volume?
3802 [22:40:06] <HelloShitty> Can they be GPG encryption keys?
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3811 [22:49:49] <Fromhell> hallo
3812 [22:50:13] <sney> hi
3813 [22:50:26] <KNERD> high
3814 [22:50:57] <dvs> huh?
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3817 [22:54:24] <Fromhell> can some one help
3818 [22:54:33] <mrkramps> ask a question :)
3819 [22:54:34] <Fromhell>
replaced-url
3820 [22:55:09] <sney> check your clock
3821 [22:55:28] <Fromhell> sney ?
3822 [22:55:50] <sney> a computer clock that is inaccurate can
completely break pki/ssl
3823 [22:56:14] <Fromhell> 23:55:49 up 212 days, 7:37, 2 users,
load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.09
3824 [22:56:18] <Fromhell> it okey
3825 [22:56:51] <greycat> that doesn't show the *day*
3826 [22:57:11] <Fromhell> greycat where to check ?
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3828 [22:57:22] <sney> also make sure you have
debian-archive-keyring installed and current
3829 [22:57:45] <Fromhell> sney what i must do ?
3830 [22:57:52] <Fromhell> i am not super user
3831 [22:58:05] <greycat> just run 'date'
3832 [22:58:14] <sney> 'apt policy
debian-archive-keyring' will show you the package and its
version
3833 [22:58:19] <Fromhell> Mon 21 Dec 2020 11:58:11 PM EET
3834 [22:58:23] <Fromhell> thats good
3835 [22:58:34] <dvs> EET?
3836 [22:58:38] <mrkramps> Fromhell, have you retried apt update?
3837 [22:58:44] <Fromhell> EET estonia
3838 [22:58:55] <mrkramps> maybe the mirror is updating?
3839 [22:59:01] <Fromhell> mrkramps yes same problem
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3842 [23:02:03] <oxek> Fromhell: paste contents of 'ls
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/'
3843 [23:02:58] <Fromhell> oxek there is no files
3844 [23:03:36] <sney> so again, debian-archive-keyring.
3845 [23:03:50] <oxek> Fromhell: that's the problem then
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3847 [23:04:11] <Fromhell> oxek what must i do ?
3848 [23:04:18] <oxek> sney: is it even possible to install that
package if you don't already have the keys?
3849 [23:04:24] <sney> sure, packages.debian.org
3850 [23:04:40] <sney> there is an apt option to skip the check,
but I don't remember it offhand
3851 [23:04:53] <sney> --no-verify-something
3852 [23:05:01] <oxek> Fromhell: try 'apt install
debian-archive-keyring' and if that does not work, then one
moment and I'll find what you need to download
3853 [23:05:33] <Fromhell> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to
remove and 0 not upgraded.
3854 [23:06:02] <dvs> your sources.list correct?
3855 [23:06:28] <jmcnaught> It is possible that the
debian-archive-keyring package is installed and something/someone
deleted the files from /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ but there should also
be duplicates in /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive*
3856 [23:06:35] <oxek> Fromhell: assuming you're on debian 10
(buster), then download this
replaced-url
3857 [23:06:45] <oxek> and then install it
3858 [23:07:05] <dvs> with dpkg -i
3859 [23:07:09] <Fromhell> dvs dvs
3860 [23:07:10] <Fromhell>
replaced-url
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3871 [23:08:50] <Fromhell> oxek , make dpkd same problem
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3874 [23:10:16] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: I tried to export my
GPG key to give it as the key-file for LUKS to encrypt the volume,
but when I try to open the volume, it doesn't accept the
password. Does this means I can't use a GPG key as the
encryption password to LUKS?
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3876 [23:10:53] <oxek> Fromhell: paste the command you ran and the
output
3877 [23:11:08] <HelloShitty> I exported my GPG key using
'gpg2 --output pub-key.asc --armor --export KeyID-here'
3878 [23:11:48] <Fromhell> oxek
3879 [23:11:48] <Fromhell>
replaced-url
3880 [23:12:46] <oxek> Fromhell: is there anything in 'ls
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/' now?
3881 [23:12:58] <jmcnaught> The files in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
are conffiles so you need to run "dpkg --force-confmiss -i
debian-archive-keyring_2019.1_all.deb" to replace those files.
3882 [23:13:02] <Fromhell> no
3883 [23:13:08] <Fromhell> oxek empty
3884 [23:13:25] <oxek> then you need that dpkg reconfigure
jmcnaught pasted
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3886 [23:13:57] <Fromhell> oxek how can i do that >
3887 [23:13:58] <Fromhell> ?
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3892 [23:14:18] <oxek> dpkg --force-confmiss -i
debian-archive-keyring_2019.1_all.deb
3893 [23:14:18] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, oxek
3894 [23:14:25] <oxek> dpkg: shut up
3895 [23:14:25] <dpkg> No, I won't, and you can't make
me. :P
3896 [23:15:31] <Fromhell> oxek , okey then try apt update >
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3898 [23:17:21] <Fromhell> oxek
3899 [23:17:22] <Fromhell>
replaced-url
3900 [23:17:22] <oxek> yes, now try apt update
3901 [23:17:26] <Fromhell> now its, good
3902 [23:17:27] <Fromhell> ?
3903 [23:17:36] <oxek> sounds like it, yes
3904 [23:17:48] <Fromhell> oxek, thanks , one more question
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3906 [23:18:19] <Fromhell> Debian 4.19.118-2 (2020-04-29) can
update kernel whith out restart ?
3907 [23:18:29] <oxek> 'replaced-url
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3909 [23:18:46] <Fromhell> oxek yes i make it
3910 [23:18:56] <mrkramps> Fromhell, no … kernel upgrades
still need a restart
3911 [23:19:20] <Fromhell> Debian 4.19.118-2 (2020-04-29) need i
update it ? or it,s good ?
3912 [23:19:44] <oxek> if an upgrade is offered, then you probably
should upgrade
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3914 [23:20:11] <Fromhell> oxek, how can i offer it ?
3915 [23:20:30] <Fromhell> i install debian 7 month ago
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3918 [23:23:36] <mrkramps> Fromhell, running 'apt update
&& apt full-upgrade' should keep your system uptodate
3919 [23:23:47] <Fromhell> ah okey
3920 [23:24:01] <Fromhell> mrkramps , have you aver problem whith
owncloud ?
3921 [23:24:14] <mrkramps> Fromhell, never used it
3922 [23:24:31] <mrkramps> just experimented a bit with nextcloud
3923 [23:24:35] <Fromhell> it shows my php v3.4.0, need older
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3930 [23:25:32] <Fromhell> mrkramps , have ther some to install
nextcloud step by step
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3936 [23:27:26] <mrkramps> Fromhell, i used the official
documentation
replaced-url
3937 [23:27:43] <Fromhell> thanks
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3939 [23:28:18] <mrkramps> Fromhell, maybe using a docker image
might be easier than manual installation
3940 [23:28:41] <Fromhell> mrkramps , no thanks
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3942 [23:28:47] <Fromhell> i never use it
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3944 [23:29:54] <jhutchins> !webmin
3945 [23:29:55] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for
unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at
replaced-url
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3947 [23:30:03] <Fromhell> mrkramps , it show me this problem
whith kernel
3948 [23:30:04] <Fromhell>
replaced-url
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3950 [23:30:36] <mrkramps> Fromhell, so you tried restarting?
3951 [23:30:37] <sney> Fromhell: try reading what it says.
"you should consider rebooting"
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3954 [23:30:58] <Fromhell> mrkramps i need to restart ?
3955 [23:31:01] <mrkramps> yes
3956 [23:31:32] <jhutchins> Fromhell: That is exactly what the
message says.
3957 [23:31:41] <Fromhell> ok will restart now
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3964 [23:37:14] <Fromhell> how to OFF grafic , from console ?
3965 [23:37:56] <sney> 'systemctl display-manager stop'
should do it
3966 [23:38:07] <Mister00X> init 3 ?
3967 [23:38:11] <sney> er, reverse that. systemctl stop
display-manager.
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3969 [23:40:06] <Fromhell> okey i reboot
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3974 [23:42:12] <P1gassu> so if while doing apt-get upgrade to
10.7 I see no space left on device, how to I delete old kernels or
so
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3976 [23:42:43] <P1gassu> /boot is 100%
3977 [23:42:44] <sney> 'apt autoremove' will usually get
them, unless you have any that were not packaged, in which case
manually delete from /boot
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3980 [23:43:37] <sney> 'uname -r' will tell you the
version of the running kernel. anything with a different version is
safe to remove, via apt or otherwise
3981 [23:43:49] <P1gassu> hmm apt autoremove tried but failed
3982 [23:44:25] <P1gassu> yeah its 4.19.0-12-amd64
3983 [23:45:07] <Fromhell> jhutchins , Physical Memory how to make
it lowe ?swap i know how
3984 [23:45:36] <P1gassu> hmm, so just apt remove linux-image-foo
?
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3986 [23:47:21] <P1gassu> and linux-headers-foo
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3989 [23:50:00] <Fromhell> P1gassu you for mee ?
3990 [23:50:11] <dob1> I don't understand I have a dir, I do
ls -la from parent dir I see "dr--r--r-- 2 myuser myuser 1024
etc etc mydir"
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3992 [23:50:46] <oxek> P1gassu: I had the exact same problem
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3994 [23:50:54] <dob1> ls -la mydir Permission denied and
d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .
3995 [23:51:02] <dob1> what does this mean?
3996 [23:51:08] <oxek> I'm weirdly happy that more people are
running into the small default /boot
3997 [23:51:16] <jmcnaught> dob1: you need the execute permission
to enter a directory
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3999 [23:52:01] <dob1> jmcnaught, damn right...
4000 [23:52:02] <dob1> thanks
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4003 [23:52:39] <P1gassu> i'm just used to removing debian
kernels, don't want to break it
4004 [23:53:00] <P1gassu> seems i've a backlog though
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4008 [23:54:41] <P1gassu> Fromhell, you want to swapon or
something?
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4010 [23:55:25] <Fromhell> P1gassu, otal: 79% (Kernel +
applications: 57% - Cached: 18% - Buffers: 4%) of psyhical memory
4011 [23:56:59] <P1gassu> Fromhell, how much RAM do you have
4012 [23:57:30] <Fromhell> 381.83 MiB 1.46 GiB 1.83 GiB
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