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30[00:42:37] <Psil0Cybin> need help libsecp256k1 library found but it was built without required module (--enable-module-recovery)
31[00:42:46] <Psil0Cybin> what can i do to fix this because i cannot update or launch my application now?
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37[00:48:03] <somiaj> ,v libsecp256k1
38[00:48:04] <judd> No package named 'libsecp256k1' was found in amd64.
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40[00:48:34] <Psil0Cybin> wierd i did sudo apt-get install python3-pyqt5 libsecp256k1-0 python3-cryptography and it installed all packages
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42[00:48:43] <Psil0Cybin> but its saying libsecp256k1-0 has an issue
43[00:49:01] <Psil0Cybin> i never had this problem before
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45[00:49:13] <somiaj> Psil0Cybin: might want to back up, but what was your original problem and what have you done, are you mixing packages from different versions of debian?
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47[00:49:19] <somiaj> ,v libsecp256k1-0
48[00:49:20] <judd> Package: libsecp256k1-0 on amd64 -- stretch: 0.1~20161228-1; bullseye: 0.1~20170810-2; buster: 0.1~20170810-2; sid: 0.1~20170810-2; experimental: 0.1~20190331-1
49[00:51:01] <Psil0Cybin> i was attempting a software upgrade after the upgrade i got this wierd message i never saw before E | ecc_fast | failed to load libsecp256k1: LibModuleMissing('libsecp256k1 library found but it was built without required module (--enable-module-recovery)')Error: Failed to load libsecp256k1.
50[00:51:06] <Psil0Cybin> never has this occured
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52[00:51:26] <somiaj> what versino of debian do you run, what software were you upgrading?
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54[00:55:58] <Psil0Cybin> also trying sudo ln -s /usr/local/lib/libsecp256k1.so.0 /usr/lib/libsecp256k1.so.0
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59[01:00:40] <somiaj> It sounds like you are mixing thrid party libs/software? That is harder to support. Also what version of debian are you running? What upgrade caused this issue.
60[01:01:58] <Psil0Cybin> i am running debian 10
61[01:02:11] <Psil0Cybin> and i was trying to install electrum update following pip python
62[01:02:39] <Psil0Cybin> E | ecc_fast | failed to load libsecp256k1: LibModuleMissing('libsecp256k1 library found but it was built without required module (--enable-module-recovery)') never saw this
63[01:02:46] <Psil0Cybin> and it was listed on github but closed an as issue.
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65[01:03:28] <oxek> Psil0Cybin: is there any specific reason you need a koblitz curve?
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67[01:04:05] <Psil0Cybin> i do not even know what that is
68[01:04:11] <somiaj> Oh so you are using pip to install third party stuff, yea this might require some work to get back to a core debian 10 system.
69[01:04:20] <oxek> Psil0Cybin: libsecp256k1 vs libsecp256r1
70[01:04:29] <Psil0Cybin> okay so how could i fix this if i used pip
71[01:04:43] <Psil0Cybin> i seem to be disconnected with why this happened this time but not before.
72[01:04:44] <somiaj> in general I would suggest don't use pip outside of a virtual enviomrent.
73[01:04:54] <Psil0Cybin> now i learned
74[01:05:20] <Psil0Cybin> can i fix this? becausue no joke i never had a single problem like this.
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79[01:08:35] <somiaj> is it only some apps that don't run, or you said you have other issues?
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82[01:10:39] <Psil0Cybin> just one app
83[01:10:42] <Psil0Cybin> does not run from this issue
84[01:11:11] <somiaj> which app? Is it one you installed from debian or from pip?
85[01:11:16] <Psil0Cybin> pip
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87[01:11:52] <somiaj> I think that is the issue, you are installing something that wasn't designed to run against debian libaries, you might have to find another solution to this app, build it from source, or rebuild the libsecp256k1 libary to include the option this app needs)
88[01:12:00] <somiaj> though debian doens't really support third party software.
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91[01:13:17] <somiaj> !don't break debian
92[01:13:17] <dpkg> dont break debian is probably replaced-url
93[01:13:37] <somiaj> that has some suggestions how to best install thrid party apps to work well and be compadable with debian. Sometimes you need to compile them yourself.
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97[01:16:14] <somiaj> with python, using a python virtual enviomrent to install thigns with pip vs the system is preferable. But if this python stuff needs a libary compiled with specific options, you may have to rebuild that package
98[01:16:18] <somiaj> !package recompile
99[01:16:19] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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102[01:18:53] <Psil0Cybin> still do not understand how to fix
103[01:19:15] <Psil0Cybin> how do i undo the changes and attempt again then?
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114[01:24:22] <Psil0Cybin> it looks like it was a network problem
115[01:24:30] <Psil0Cybin> that caused me to download the wrong package and corrupt something
116[01:24:43] <Psil0Cybin> i just want to fix it so i am wondering if i can remove that one pip package and reinstall it?
117[01:25:37] <somiaj> If this software requires a libary that needs a certain option, you have to rebuild that libary, reinstalling it won't change that.
118[01:26:10] <Psil0Cybin> okay how can i go about doing that for example i did sudo apt-get install python3-pyqt5 libsecp256k1-0 python3-cryptography
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121[01:27:06] <Psil0Cybin> i have it but i keep geting this one error E | ecc_fast | failed to load libsecp256k1: LibModuleMissing('libsecp256k1 library found but it was built without required module (--enable-module-recovery)')Error: Failed to load libsecp256k1.
122[01:27:12] <Psil0Cybin> i never saw before again
123[01:27:46] <Psil0Cybin> even if run the program via source it says the same thing
124[01:27:55] <mutante> you said "that one pip package" before, but all your commands are apt commands. are you mixing install from pip and apt ?
125[01:29:31] <Psil0Cybin> well if i i did python3 -m pip install --user file.tar.gz
126[01:29:36] <Psil0Cybin> can i do the same thing but uninstall?
127[01:29:42] <Psil0Cybin> what is the command to attempt to reinstall it?
128[01:30:06] <n4dir> for example apt-get install --reinstall <name>
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131[01:31:52] <Psil0Cybin> same issue hmm
132[01:32:07] <Psil0Cybin> it was mixture of pip and apt
133[01:32:26] <Psil0Cybin> usually again it works but when my network when heywire it caused this strange error i cannot figure out
134[01:32:31] <Psil0Cybin> almost as if it was done on purpose
135[01:32:34] <mutante> Psil0Cybin: ack, that's basically why i try to avoid the mix if i can
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137[01:32:58] <Psil0Cybin> so now i am attempting to just fix what has occured
138[01:33:00] <mutante> one time i told pip to uninstall a package and it said it did.. but in reality there were remnants.
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140[01:33:10] <mutante> then they conflicted with the files from deb package
141[01:33:16] <mutante> since then have not trusted pip fully
142[01:35:30] <oxek> hence never use 'sudo pip'
143[01:36:01] <oxek> and 2nd step is - always work in a venv
144[01:36:27] <oxek> 1) activate venv 2) use pip without sudo
145[01:36:34] <Psil0Cybin> oay so what can i do now
146[01:37:05] <Psil0Cybin> since i cnanot figure this out and the only github conversation about the bug was closed
147[01:37:10] <Psil0Cybin> and even someone else asked why it was closed
148[01:37:14] <dudz> apt is failing for you at the moment Psil0Cybin ?
149[01:37:21] <dudz> apt update?
150[01:37:24] <somiaj> if pip cannot uninstall it, you may have to maunally track things down and interveen
151[01:37:31] <Psil0Cybin> no it just the appication i cannot run the program i installed from pip
152[01:37:41] <dudz> pip isn't debian
153[01:37:43] <somiaj> dudz: they have a conflict between debian packages and stuff installed by pip
154[01:37:50] <dudz> arh ok
155[01:38:49] <somiaj> I don't know enough about how/where pip would install stuff to point someone in the direction to manually remove it, but that would be what I would try
156[01:39:26] <pingfloyd> replaced-url
157[01:39:46] <somiaj> pingfloyd: I assume you know better than to paste links like that in #debian.
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159[01:40:07] <Psil0Cybin> ok so how can i use python3 -m pip uninstall for example
160[01:40:15] <Psil0Cybin> to try again
161[01:40:28] <Psil0Cybin> as i am given You must give at least one requirement to uninstall (see "pip help uninstall")
162[01:40:32] <Psil0Cybin> and than i will setup the venv
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164[01:40:43] <pingfloyd> sorry wrong channel
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167[01:41:30] <somiaj> pingfloyd: well as spiderman says, 'everyone gets one freebee' (:
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205[02:22:28] <brachamh_> can anyone please explain the proper way to use a pre-up command in the interfaces file for ifupdown?
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208[02:27:39] <sney> pastebin what you have now
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213[02:31:07] <jmcnaught> brachamh_: pre-up will be on one of the indented lines in an iface stanza. There's an example of its usage at this link (ignore the ifconfig… that's just the command it's running): replaced-url
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246[03:24:29] <genr8_> /etc/NetworkManager is hardly mentioned.
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252[03:28:59] <sney> n-m is good for plug-and-play situations, but anything where configs need to be manually adjusted is usually better suited to ifupdown or something else
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293[04:39:06] <iAaron> Whats going on everyone?
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305[05:03:12] <wilker> hello!
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311[05:12:19] <somiaj> greetings, have any questions about debian?
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324[05:37:12] <Arrow900> Does anyone know if "pitivi" is going to be deprecated in next release bullseye or has it just not been packaged yet ?
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328[05:43:32] <brachamh_> jmcnaught, thanks for that. now i think i need to make ifupdown run later
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332[05:49:35] <somiaj> ,v pitivi
333[05:49:36] <judd> Package: pitivi on amd64 -- jessie: 0.93-4.2; stretch: 0.98-1.1; buster: 0.999-1+b1; sid: 0.999-2
334[05:50:14] <somiaj> Alexandrov: replaced-url
335[05:50:41] <somiaj> Alexandrov: oops, seems Arrrow900 left before their question was answered, sorr about that
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338[05:53:04] <Unit193> #965007.
339[05:53:05] <judd> Bug replaced-url
340[05:54:05] <somiaj> The bug report was kinda intersting as to see which package was at fault for the conflict there
341[05:54:22] <somiaj> I think the resolution was a decent one in the end though
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510[09:42:43] <black_ant> guy anyone knows how to install the latest nftables on 'Debian buster' ? noticed my version is 'v0.9.0 (Fearless Fosdick)'. I will like to upgrade that if possible. thanks
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520[09:48:47] <Unit193> ,v nftabbles
521[09:48:48] <judd> No package named 'nftabbles' was found in amd64.
522[09:48:53] <Unit193> ,v nftables
523[09:48:54] <judd> Package: nftables on amd64 -- stretch: 0.7-1; stretch-backports: 0.9.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.9.0-2; buster-backports: 0.9.6-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.9.6-1; sid: 0.9.6-1
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525[09:49:04] <Unit193> Utilize -backports.
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537[10:06:16] <jelly> !buster-backports
538[10:06:17] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
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549[10:23:16] <netcrash> Hello, I have a software array from a old machine and moved to a controller raid dell , Created two virtual disk and am now reassembling the disks. But mdadm is not finding the raid
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561[10:45:46] <netcrash> just noticed I have LVM setup over the disks that were in RAID
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581[11:10:39] <ratrace> netcrash: if you can avoid using hardware raid, that'd be the best
582[11:11:04] <ratrace> you can still use raid controllers, but in jbod or stripe mode so the kernel still sees individual disks
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656[12:39:39] <unixbsd> hello!
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658[12:40:13] <jelly> hi there
659[12:40:15] <unixbsd> This does not work. How to compile from apt src??? " apt-get install libncursesw5-dev libreadline6-dev -y ; apt-get source --compile -b abook"
660[12:40:28] <jelly> which debian release?
661[12:40:35] <jelly> !package rebuild
662[12:40:35] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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664[12:41:16] <jelly> unixbsd, see if you skipped some other build deps. Show actual failing command and its fulf output if unsure
665[12:41:23] <jelly> !paste
666[12:41:23] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
667[12:41:54] <jelly> ,v abook
668[12:41:55] <judd> Package: abook on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.0~pre2-3; stretch: 0.6.1-1+b1; buster: 0.6.1-1+b2; bullseye: 0.6.1-1+b3; sid: 0.6.1-1+b3
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670[12:45:27] <unixbsd> I get this : E: Build command 'cd abook-0.6.1 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
671[12:46:33] <unixbsd> it is not so easy I see. I thought that it was just a single command line.
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673[12:46:44] <jelly> when building software from source it's usually the FIRST error in the output that's most relevant. We ask for complete output for reasons.
674[12:47:23] <unixbsd> ah ...ok I learning still : "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: Unmet build dependencies: quilt (>= 0.40)"
675[12:47:42] <jelly> right. See what dpkg, the bot, said about !package rebuild above.
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677[12:48:57] <jelly> unixbsd, the build-dep step is there to installs _all_ the development packages needed to build a source (the same way Debian builds it)
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681[12:51:23] <unixbsd> so called dependencies, I understand.
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684[12:57:22] <unixbsd> actually, lynx does not have or can compile without dependencies, lynx is readily compilable: "apt-get source --compile -b lynx" may fail if I understand well ... I study still
685[12:57:58] <unixbsd> it teellls for x reasons (no idea why): "E: Build command 'cd lynx-2.8.9dev11 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed."
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723[13:37:37] <netcrash> ratrace: how can I re-read the disks on a new host? I'm having trouble doing that the mdadm --assemble --scan does not detect and have just seen that the partitions are in LVM format. Any idea on how to rebuild ?
724[13:37:58] <tmroland> replaced-url
725[13:38:00] <tmroland> how to fix
726[13:38:56] <tmroland> cant even change permission on it
727[13:38:58] <tmroland> as root
728[13:40:28] <netcrash> mount -o uid=xxxx
729[13:40:36] <netcrash> tmroland: mount -o uid=xxxx
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741[13:57:11] <hl521> Hey, I'm trying to get nginx to run on debian 10, but for whatever reason the default nginx.conf isn't be pulled in, is there a way to force it to pull from an install?
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743[13:58:51] <ratrace> netcrash: if mdadm doesn't see them, then you don't have mdadm array
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745[13:59:30] <ratrace> hl521: something tells me you didn't just apt install nginx, but that's some manually installed concoction?
746[13:59:56] <hl521> ratrace: oh but I did apt install nginx
747[14:00:04] <hl521> I can try wiping all of the files or something
748[14:00:11] <ratrace> hl521: then what problem do you have with nginx.conf?
749[14:00:23] <hl521> ratrace: there is no nginx.conf lol
750[14:00:47] <ratrace> hl521: pretty sure there is on normal, non-derivative Debian.
751[14:00:59] <ratrace> /etc/nginx/nginx.con
752[14:01:01] <ratrace> f
753[14:01:01] <hl521> let me wipe everything on /etc/nginx then
754[14:01:41] <tmroland> netcrash: why do i need that and chgrp or chmod doesnt work on it?
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756[14:03:26] <hl521> yeah I'm still not getting /etc/nginx/nginx.conf
757[14:03:50] <hl521> I do recieve "errors were encountered while processing nginx-full nginx" though
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759[14:04:20] <tmroland> also can i use gid instead of uid
760[14:04:25] <tmroland> for mount in fstab
761[14:04:32] <tmroland> so i can provide rw to group
762[14:04:34] <ratrace> hl521: what exactly did you do to it? did you mess with different installations from different repos? this doesn't happen by itself
763[14:05:03] <hl521> ah it appears I need to configure nginx-full
764[14:05:47] <ratrace> the configuration step appears automatically..., so you must've done something you're not telling
765[14:06:22] <hl521> ratrace: no dude I literally have only done apt install nginx lol
766[14:06:35] <hl521> I've tried to uninstall it several times and clean up the file
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770[14:10:15] <tmroland> does this look correct in fstab?
771[14:10:22] <tmroland> bf8658c3-cc35-464f-9043-e6f76b12a9c5
772[14:10:24] <tmroland> sorry noit that
773[14:11:54] <hl521> dude this is so frustrating
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778[14:14:34] <hl521> is there a way to just reconfigure it
779[14:15:41] <ratrace> hl521: dpkg-reconfigure nginx-full ?
780[14:16:03] <ratrace> hl521: or you can try apt purge all nginx packages, autoremove deps, remove /etc/nginx and reinstall anew
781[14:16:05] <hl521> that did nothing
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783[14:16:49] <hl521> what's the difference between purge and remove
784[14:16:59] <tmroland> UUID=88606F44606F3858 /mnt/data ntfs gid=100,rw 0 0
785[14:17:01] <tmroland> UUID=bf8658c3-cc35-464f-9043-e6f76b12a9c5 /mnt/backup ext4 gid=100,rw 0 0
786[14:17:03] <tmroland> looks ok?
787[14:17:49] <ratrace> hl521: purge removes config and data files
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792[14:18:26] <hl521> ratrace: yeah even after the purges of nginx, and nginx-full, autoremoving the deps, and removing everything in /etc/nginx then doing apt install nginx I still don't come up to a configure window or have any config files
793[14:18:38] <hl521> I really have no idea why it's doing this
794[14:20:45] <hl521> eh I'm just going to go to sleep before I throw the server in the garbage
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924[17:02:01] <darsie> What's a good firefox for debian that can handle imgur (ff 69+)? I installed 78.2.0esr (64-bit) from mozilla.org in /usr/local/bin/firefox, but it doesn't come with a .desktop file.
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926[17:02:15] <x033gg> hey can someone help me i setup xscreensaver i lock the screen every 30 seconds i am prompted to login without moving a mouse
927[17:02:17] <x033gg> or anything
928[17:02:28] <x033gg> what would i type to google this topic and see if its a bug
929[17:03:11] <darsie> I didn't see newer versions in testing or buster-backports.
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931[17:03:33] <darsie> Don't think I want to backport from sid myself.
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933[17:03:54] <darsie> Make a .desktop myself?
934[17:07:48] <Kobaz> so i have the good ole classic, logrotate-is-completely-broken problem replaced-url
935[17:08:08] <Kobaz> typically logrotate will work again if you force it (-f)
936[17:08:13] <Kobaz> but not this time...
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941[17:13:47] <x033gg> hey i have a question i have xscreensaver installed and i notice that the login window/box comes up every 40 seoconds on its own without me touching my mouse or touching any keys, anyone know if this issue can be fixed?
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944[17:14:54] <unixbsd> Is it possible to install Grub on the MBR with dd instead of using grub-install ? (to be sure if it is still with dd possible maybe)
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946[17:15:38] <dece> darsie, making a desktop file takes 5 min and seem to be the appropriate choice
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950[17:18:56] <darsie> dece: ok. I tried. It launches the new ff, but clicking on links in kvirc still launches the old one. Also the debian ff disappeared from the launch menu.
951[17:19:22] <darsie> I'm not great at making desktop files.
952[17:20:56] <darsie> Here's what I made: replaced-url
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954[17:21:10] <dece> it's ok, your system still uses the other one as a default way to open URLs; you can reconfigure this using update-alternatives, but maybe Firefox can handle it on its own by going in Preferences, General, Make Firefox your default browser
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957[17:21:42] <darsie> Why did the old ff launch menu entry disappear.
958[17:22:17] <darsie> I gave it a new name.
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960[17:22:31] <dece> this I don't know :/
961[17:23:06] <darsie> Ahh, the filename was still the same.
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971[17:38:12] <x033gg> yea i cannot figure it out after 40 seconds i get prompted for a password/username on xscreensaver and than after that it just keeps prompting as if i am moving my mouse over and over
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973[17:39:15] <sney> is something resting on your keyboard
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975[17:43:11] <darsie> update-alternatives --set x-replaced-url
976[17:43:11] <darsie> update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/local/bin/firefox/firefox for x-replaced-url
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978[17:43:35] <darsie> the man page doesn't mention 'register'.
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981[17:46:17] <darsie> should I try xdg-settings?
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984[17:50:56] <darsie> How can I make /usr/local/bin/firefox/firefox the default browser, so that clicking on links in kvirc will open them with that.
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990[17:53:42] <somiaj> I don't think many things use the alternative for the browser, but instead use the xdg default browser, which requiers you write a .desktop file
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994[17:56:10] <somiaj> for update-alternatives you need to --install new ones
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996[17:57:00] <darsie> somiaj: I wrote one. Put it in ~/.local/share/applications
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1000[17:59:22] <somiaj> then just use xdg-settings set default-web-browser filename.desktop of the desktop file you added
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1002[18:01:06] <darsie> somiaj: Yay, worked :). thx
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1026[18:29:20] <oxek> darsie: you could have just set layout.css.resizeobserver.enabled to true in firefox esr
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1028[18:29:26] <oxek> that would fix imgur
1029[18:30:22] <darsie> oxek: I was told "imgur uses "ResizeObserver" (as you can see from the error in the web console) which firefox only supported since versio 69"
1030[18:30:43] <oxek> it works in 68 if you enable it
1031[18:30:49] <oxek> in 69 it's on by default
1032[18:30:51] <darsie> ic
1033[18:30:54] <darsie> thx
1034[18:31:49] <oxek> 78esr is coming this month to debian-stable
1035[18:31:51] <hussar> what are some commands or packages I can use to draw a message prompt?
1036[18:32:03] <oxek> and for up-to-date firefox there's flatpak
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1042[18:33:17] <darsie> oxek: It does work :).
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1046[18:38:17] <oxek> darsie: great. Now you can stay with packages included in debian as opposed to installing firefox from mozilla.
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1048[18:38:30] <darsie> yep
1049[18:38:31] <ratrace> speaking of, will debian disable DoH by default?
1050[18:38:35] <hussar> use snaps not flatpaks
1051[18:38:38] * darsie deletes the new ff.
1052[18:39:02] <sney> I don't think there's a mechanism to use DoH out of the box without explicitly configuring it.
1053[18:39:12] <ratrace> I thought CF is default upstream
1054[18:39:24] <oxek> CF is default upstream for some locales
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1056[18:39:37] <oxek> or maybe not even locales, but based on geolocation
1057[18:39:37] <ratrace> currently, FF even keeps the CloudFlare URL in the config
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1059[18:40:10] <sney> oh, on firefox specifically? I thought you meant like for a system resolver
1060[18:40:36] <ratrace> check network.trr.uri in about:config, doe it point at cloudflare (even in current esr)?
1061[18:40:43] <oxek> ratrace: it does
1062[18:40:55] <ratrace> right, so with next ESR that becomes active unless Debian patches it out
1063[18:41:12] <sney> same in firefox 80 on buster
1064[18:41:20] <oxek> or unless debian sets user_pref("network.trr.mode", 0);
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1066[18:41:35] <ratrace> right you can disable it, but I was wondering about defaults
1067[18:41:47] <ratrace> kinda big, POLA violating change mid-release
1068[18:41:51] <nevivurn> Have the ff maintainers patch that kind of stuff out, historically?
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1070[18:42:33] <oxek> ratrace: debian already changes many ff defaults
1071[18:42:38] <ratrace> I have a megaton of DNS blacklists for browsing. If I weren't aware of DoH, the ESR upgrade would've made tem all unused and would pose a security risk fo rme
1072[18:42:40] <oxek> so they'll probably set this default too
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1074[18:42:57] <ratrace> I hope so. I'm not so sure though
1075[18:43:05] <sney> "that kind of stuff" is kind of vague, but they do try to keep defaults as universal as possible
1076[18:43:18] <oxek> /etc/firefox-esr/firefox-esr.js
1077[18:43:33] <nevivurn> I thought the FF DoH logic involved not using DoH only if your resolver already points to CF?
1078[18:43:35] <sney> I don't see an existing bug report for this one at a glance, so file one if it's something you're concerned about
1079[18:43:39] <nevivurn> Or was that chrome?
1080[18:44:16] <oxek> in any case, there are lots of ways of disabling DoH, both within firefox, and outside of firefox
1081[18:44:31] <ratrace> sney: I'm not for myself, I just thing that in general such a big change does not fit stable release
1082[18:44:35] <ratrace> *think
1083[18:44:44] <sney> sounds worth filing to me, then
1084[18:44:45] <oxek> 78esr is going to be a massive change in any case
1085[18:44:52] <ratrace> I have forced that trr.uri to empty months ago
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1087[18:45:46] <sney> I'm not sure if it's policy compliant or not, but it's certainly against the spirit of debian as an integration project. if you set one resolver it should be used for everything.
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1090[18:47:29] <sney> (and like, I use DoH but it's configured at the router which proxies requests for everything else on the network. that's the configuration I want, and one application shouldn't be entitled to do something else.)
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1092[18:48:29] <oxek> (and I use dnscrypt so none of this concerns me anyway)
1093[18:48:50] <sney> oh hey, network.trr.mode in ff 80 on bullseye is 0.
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1116[19:09:50] <discovered> I am using Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse. Some time the mouse pointer is lagging as hell, it slowly moves. Also the keyboard but not that often. Do I need to fix anything manually?
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1118[19:10:58] <diogenes_> discovered, gnome?
1119[19:11:14] <discovered> diogenes_, Yes Gnome
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1121[19:13:00] <diogenes_> discovered, no wonder that everything lags.
1122[19:13:13] <discovered> In gnome?
1123[19:13:17] <discovered> No way to fix it?
1124[19:13:47] <sney> discovered: it's more likely to be a device issue. linux/X just sees universal HID devices. check your batteries and any possible sources of rf interference.
1125[19:13:57] <ratrace> discovered: by default if your gpu driver allows it, gnome will use the wayland protocol. you can try re-login in an xorg session, see if that helps
1126[19:14:32] <ratrace> mouse lag on wayland compositors is a common complaint
1127[19:14:40] <sney> also, if you're missing the firmware for your gpu, or otherwise using software rendering, high system load *can* cause mouse pointer lag. but that wouldn't affect the keyboard in normal circumstances.
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1129[19:15:02] <discovered> sney, The device working fine in windows(Tested).
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1132[19:16:55] <Ede|Popede> i'd try with something more ressource friendly. and have an eye on system values. got the same problems even with xfce here, usually during high load of some kind. cpu, also ram which leads to swapping this disk i/o. so same during enduring copy operations.
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1134[19:18:31] <discovered> I would see if it improves with xorg
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1136[19:20:22] <Ede|Popede> dammit. was about to ask which set exactly. this wasn't a drive-by user iirc?
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1154[19:44:26] <gribouille> hi
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1156[19:47:01] <gribouille> does anyone know where I can find the boot messages [ OK ] Activating ...?
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1158[19:47:22] <sney> journalctl, dmesg
1159[19:47:44] <sney> the actual [ok] stuff may not be there but the service and kernel info is
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1161[19:49:23] <gribouille> sney, the messages are not for the system currently running
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1163[19:50:37] <sney> then /var/log/daemon.log will have the majority of what you're looking for.
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1170[19:55:27] <x033gg> Shyyyyyyylaaaoreplaced-url
1171[19:55:38] <x033gg> are you here to help or nope :(?
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1173[19:55:55] <gribouille> sney, I can't find the message I'm searching. it was displayed when the system was checking the file systems
1174[19:56:23] <sney> may have been fsck output then
1175[19:56:39] <gribouille> sney, is it logged?
1176[19:57:18] <sney> I don't think so
1177[19:59:37] <gribouille> sney, whu not?
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1179[20:01:22] <sney> fsck is the filesystem checker, it just checks your root fs and exits. maybe that's logged but if you need to see fsck output you can just run it on the disk, also
1180[20:01:50] <sney> I do not remember ever seeing fsck output in a system or boot log, that's all
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1183[20:03:29] <jmcnaught> gribouille: did you check /var/log/boot.log?
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1185[20:04:25] <gribouille> jmcnaught, I don't have this file
1186[20:05:31] <sney> boot.log is not enabled by default
1187[20:05:42] <gribouille> what does it contain?
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1190[20:07:34] <jmcnaught> gribouille: mine starts with the fsck output then lists all the [ OK ] messages. I don't know what creates it here, I might have changed something but I do not have bootlogd installed and my file appears to be from the current boot.
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1199[20:11:28] <gribouille> jmcnaught, it's magic
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1211[20:20:13] <jmcnaught> I still can't figure out what's creating boot.log on my one system here, the file doesn't exist on my other computer. The file is owned by root:root instead of root:adm.
1212[20:20:32] <sney> some boot argument maybe? check in grub.d?
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1223[20:30:49] <gribouille> jmcnaught, maybe in /etc/rsyslog.conf?
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1225[20:33:45] <jmcnaught> gribouille: that file doesn't contain the string "boot" and "grep -ir boot.log /etc" returns nothing. Right now I suspect plymouth which has a plymouth-log.service but that package is installed automatically. If I find out what's creating this file I'll ping you about it if you're still around.
1226[20:34:24] <gribouille> jmcnaught, I read it here: replaced-url
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1229[20:36:30] <tongubin> Hey there, can you say me where I can download sid netinstall CD image, please? I know about #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net channel, but on it I can not get answer. I'm sorry about my English.
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1232[20:39:12] <jmcnaught> tongubin: how long did you wait?
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1235[20:39:56] <tongubin> 10 minuts
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1245[20:52:20] <gribouille> jmcnaught, did you find out for boot.log? replaced-url
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1251[20:56:49] <jmcnaught> gribouille: ahh thanks
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1254[21:00:03] <gribouille> there's something I don't understand: when I run sudo journalctl and then quit, the screen is not restored as it was before running journalctl
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1278[21:29:00] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Some missing terminfo?
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1281[21:30:50] <Ede|Popede> i came up with the same question at some point in the past. iirc it is less not running with the "restore background" flag. also i think to remember it is possible to switch it off but not on again or something.
1282[21:31:36] <Aurora_v_kosmose> If that last part is true, I'd consider that a bug
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1284[21:33:42] <Ede|Popede> hm, i couldn't find an option now in the manpage to even change if it does so or not.
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1291[21:38:33] <Ede|Popede> there's LESS_IS_MORE. when setting it is "less is more than more" still valid?
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1294[21:41:48] <oxek> it still works
1295[21:41:51] <oxek> but why would you set it?
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1307[21:53:48] <JarSs> hello
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1310[21:55:40] <tomreyn> 502 5.5.1 Unrecognized command. Did you mean "HELO"?
1311[21:55:46] <JarSs> I'm having hard time booting my Dell XPS (Jesse). Grub doesn't come up, I get a message no boot device can be found. I did the obvious things I can think of: no safe boot, HD is at AHCI, tried to add the boot manually from the menu
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1313[21:56:09] <JarSs> (the boot menu that is, by nevigating to the EFI and trying to get grub this way)
1314[21:56:23] <JarSs> was wondering if there's a known issue with these I don't know about, something to try, etc.
1315[21:56:52] <sney> it does sound like the bootloader got messed up somehow. your best bet is to boot with a livecd, chroot into your system, and reinstall grub.
1316[21:56:56] <sney> !tell JarSs about fixmbr
1317[21:57:16] <sney> the debian installer can be used for this, grml and supergrubdisk are good options too.
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1319[21:57:45] <JarSs> debian installer, which one would that be? I'm using a live USB created from the Deiban ISO
1320[21:58:05] <sney> that works too. it doesn't matter what you use as long as it has basic linux utilities.
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1322[21:58:13] <sney> the dpkg irc bot sent you a pm with instructions.
1323[21:59:15] <JarSs> @sney I can't see the PM something on my end though I solve this
1324[21:59:33] <JarSs> sney: I saw there's a section in the wiki for reinstalling grub
1325[21:59:44] <sney> it's probably the same instructions, but here it is in the channel anyway:
1326[21:59:45] <sney> !fixmbr
1327[21:59:46] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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1329[21:59:58] <tomreyn> JarSs: are you, by chance, the same person who asked this (almost identical) question in the lubuntu telegram just a few minutes ago?
1330[22:00:16] <JarSs> ok got it, thanks.
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1332[22:00:37] <JarSs> Errr I need to be able to connect it to the internet which is also a problem
1333[22:01:00] <sney> get your bootloader working first, then come back for network troubleshooting
1334[22:01:01] <JarSs> see I need to install the non free drivers. I got them, but then I can't boot into the system to install them
1335[22:01:13] <sney> it's firmware, not drivers.
1336[22:01:23] <JarSs> sney: right, my mistake
1337[22:01:30] <Ede|Popede> oxek: scripting i guess. cases where it must behave just like more. i only don't get " l = m && l > m "
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1339[22:01:51] <JarSs> sney: in order to update-grub && grub-install, I don't need network?
1340[22:01:56] <sney> nope
1341[22:02:11] <JarSs> got it. OK, I'm on it. Thanks for the help.
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1343[22:02:20] <sney> everything grub needs is already on your disk.
1344[22:04:02] <JarSs> and tomreyn no, not me. I haven't tried lubuntu
1345[22:04:43] <gribouille> I have the following error at boot : ata6.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen (7 more lines). any idea?
1346[22:05:02] <oxek> Ede|Popede: I interpret it as "You can use 'less' as a drop-in replacement for 'more' and know that 'less' can do more things than 'more'"
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1348[22:09:35] <JarSs> ok I I'm trying to mounse the file system . it says special device /dev/sda does not exist (a path prefix is not a directory) ok so I guess I need to figure out the mount point? but isn't that what Im doing, mounting it?
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1351[22:10:42] <JarSs> "mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /home/user/here
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1362[22:15:38] <tomreyn> JarSs: okay, funny coincident :)
1363[22:16:29] <tomreyn> JarSs: maybe you don't have a sata but an nvme device?
1364[22:17:24] <tomreyn> also /dev/sda would point to the full raw disk (if it existed), not to a partition (which might contain a file system you could then mount)
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1366[22:19:49] <tomreyn> gribouille: check the smartctl -x output for this disk, maybe replace the cable
1367[22:20:34] <JarSs> tomreyn: I don't have sata this is probably m.2.?
1368[22:21:06] <tomreyn> m.2 can be sata or nvme, there's both.
1369[22:21:07] <JarSs> I can't mount my boot because I need a valid target and I guess I get confused with what would that be since I'm booting from a USB (usually it would be /media/whatever
1370[22:21:39] <JarSs> oh, so in that case I don't know what I have, I chose ACHI in boot if that's related
1371[22:21:48] <tomreyn> this sounds like you need to read up on the process of chroot mounting
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1373[22:22:14] <JarSs> that's what I'm following up lol. I'm stuck at the part where it stays to mount the boot
1374[22:22:19] <tomreyn> like... what sney had dpkg tell you above
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1376[22:22:44] <JarSs> yep! here's where I'm at: " (mount -t ext4
1377[22:22:44] <JarSs> /dev/whatever /target"
1378[22:22:59] <JarSs> dev/sda1 in my case, but what's the target
1379[22:23:13] <tomreyn> that's a directory you create
1380[22:23:22] <JarSs> I did, in /home/user/here
1381[22:23:24] <JarSs> and it failed
1382[22:23:45] <JarSs> I also tried /media/here
1383[22:23:49] <tomreyn> well it doesn't say /home/user/target, it says /target
1384[22:24:02] <JarSs> it says it's not in /etc/fstab
1385[22:24:10] <JarSs> as in, literally target?
1386[22:24:20] <tomreyn> no, literally /target
1387[22:24:38] <JarSs> *facepalm* ok one sec
1388[22:25:21] <JarSs> same problem: "/target can't find in /etc/fstab
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1390[22:26:52] <tomreyn> which command are you running?
1391[22:28:18] <JarSs> I forgot the ext4 part. Errr. Now it says /target doesnt' exist, ok so I need to mkdir it right
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1393[22:28:44] <JarSs> ....now it worked. ok I'm stupid lol
1394[22:28:45] <tomreyn> <tomreyn> that's a directory you create
1395[22:28:50] <JarSs> continuing
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1400[22:32:29] <JarSs> ok now I'm at the part where I need to chroot
1401[22:32:32] <JarSs> command not found
1402[22:32:41] <JarSs> guess it's not in the path?
1403[22:33:15] <tomreyn> sudo if you're not root
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1405[22:33:40] <gribouille> tomreyn, I've just run smartctl -x, but I dn't understand the output
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1407[22:34:13] <JarSs> sudo chroot/target --> "failed to run comman '/bin/bash' No such file or directory"
1408[22:34:16] <tomreyn> gribouille: you could share it and get someone else who doesn't understand it to look at it
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1410[22:35:22] <tomreyn> JarSs: whats the live system you're runnnig?
1411[22:35:28] <JarSs> Debian live USB
1412[22:35:36] <gribouille> tomreyn, how can I know if the drive is failing?
1413[22:35:48] <JarSs> I'm user@debian
1414[22:35:57] <tomreyn> JarSs: hmm, maybe try /usr/bin/bash
1415[22:36:13] <tomreyn> but i don't think it's there
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1417[22:36:39] <JarSs> ?
1418[22:36:45] <tomreyn> gribouille: possibly by interpreting output from smartctl -x
1419[22:36:56] <tomreyn> gribouille: which is why i suggested running it
1420[22:37:00] <JarSs> command not found
1421[22:37:23] <tomreyn> JarSs: what'S the exact comand you're running? did you type it correctly?
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1424[22:38:19] <JarSs> first, "sudo chroot /target" that resulted in failed to run comman
1425[22:38:19] <JarSs> '/bin/bash' No such file or directory"
1426[22:38:46] <JarSs> then I tried sudo /usr/bin/bash/chroot /target
1427[22:39:11] <tomreyn> sudo chroot /target /bin/bash
1428[22:39:19] <JarSs> ok one sec..
1429[22:39:53] <tomreyn> if this still returns "command not found" then you didn't mount file systems into /target properly.
1430[22:40:02] <JarSs> chroot: failed to run command 'bin/bash': no such file or directory
1431[22:40:30] <JarSs> well what I did above is to create each directory (/target/sys etc) and then sudo mount whatever it said
1432[22:40:42] <tomreyn> if you had done the mounting properly, you'd have a file /target/bin/bash
1433[22:41:07] <tomreyn> the only directory you create is /target
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1435[22:41:28] <tomreyn> all other target directories will be available when you mount the file systems
1436[22:41:32] <JarSs> but if I try to mount after that step, it says the dir doesn't exist.
1437[22:41:56] <tomreyn> then you haven't mounted the root file system to /target (but maybe some other file system)
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1439[22:43:21] <JarSs> I did sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /target
1440[22:43:26] <JarSs> maybe the sda5?
1441[22:43:27] <tomreyn> gribouille: so if you don't know how to interpret the smartctl -x output, feel free to post it to a pastebin and share that here.
1442[22:43:45] <JarSs> wait what
1443[22:43:47] <JarSs> why the hell
1444[22:43:49] <tomreyn> JarSs: i do not know which partition contains your root file system
1445[22:44:13] <JarSs> wait that doesnt' make sense. I think you're right.
1446[22:44:21] <JarSs> I can find by using fdisk right?
1447[22:44:26] <JarSs> whatever it shows as boot
1448[22:44:33] <JarSs> I'll restart and try again
1449[22:44:42] <tomreyn> you can mount them one by one and see what they contain
1450[22:45:20] <JarSs> I believe I only have sda1 and sda2
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1452[22:45:25] <JarSs> not sure what's the 5 about
1453[22:45:35] <wsky> lvm
1454[22:45:41] <wsky> or
1455[22:45:42] <JarSs> question is should it just be sda, or sda1/sda2?
1456[22:46:13] <wsky> sda is the device node, sda1 and sda2 are partitions
1457[22:46:21] <gribouille> tomreyn, ok
1458[22:46:27] <JarSs> right, and I need to mount the boot partition. ok
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1460[22:47:35] <tomreyn> the first file system you mount is the *r*oot file system, the one containing directories such as etc, var, usr and the like
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1462[22:47:55] <tomreyn> i.e. not the *b*oot file system
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1464[22:48:32] <tomreyn> !fixmbr
1465[22:48:33] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
1466[22:49:23] <JarSs> alright. There's the live USB running from sdb and the hard drive os sda.
1467[22:49:37] <JarSs> I need to mount the root files system, so that's going to be sdb
1468[22:49:53] <JarSs> because that's the live CD I'm running from? Or is it the HDD I'm trying to fix
1469[22:50:34] <another> lsblk -S
1470[22:50:38] <tomreyn> it'll be one odf the sda's most likely. certainly not sdb*
1471[22:50:40] <JarSs> I'm not root, I'm user... the intention here is the root as in /, so that means sda (the hard drive) and we're working on grub there. Does that sound right?
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1474[22:51:30] <tomreyn> the term "root file system" refers to the file system mounted at "/", the highest path there is. it does not refer to the "root" system user.
1475[22:51:52] <JarSs> thanks tomreyn. OK yes sda then, sdb is my USB (from lsblk -S)
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1478[22:52:42] <JarSs> so, mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /target
1479[22:53:07] <JarSs> in my case I need sudo: "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /target" that's what I'm going to try
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1482[22:53:27] <tomreyn> but then, /dev/sda points to the raw disk, not to a partition on this disk
1483[22:53:36] <tomreyn> and most likely this disk contains partitions.
1484[22:54:03] <tomreyn> you mentioned sda1 and sda2
1485[22:54:08] <JarSs> do I need a specific partition? since we're talking about the root
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1487[22:54:42] <JarSs> there are sda1 through sda3
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1489[22:55:08] <another> you cannot mount sda if there are partitions on it
1490[22:55:23] <another> you'll need to mount the appropriate partition
1491[22:55:30] <JarSs> so which partition do I need? I thought the root filesystem
1492[22:55:40] <tomreyn> another: feel free to take over there, i'm loosing too much hair in the process.
1493[22:55:49] <JarSs> I'm sorry tomreyn :/
1494[22:56:02] <tomreyn> ;) no problem, good luck.
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1498[22:56:48] <JarSs> ok. so which one would that be, what does the partition I need has?
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1500[22:57:10] <JarSs> I have sda1, sda2 sda3, and it says root filesystem, which I thought is sda...
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1502[22:57:28] <jhutchins> JarSs: Use a tool like fdisk or parted to find out what filesystem is on each partition.
1503[22:58:00] <JarSs> fdisk -l lists sdb, not sda...
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1505[22:58:23] <jhutchins> JarSs: fdisk =l /dev/sda
1506[22:58:29] <jhutchins> JarSs: fdisk -l /dev/sda
1507[22:58:59] <JarSs> thanks! ok, sda1 is EFI
1508[22:59:10] <JarSs> other two are linux filesystem
1509[22:59:26] <JarSs> so, I need mount -t /dev/sda1 /target
1510[22:59:36] <another> drop the `-t`
1511[22:59:49] <JarSs> ok
1512[23:00:29] <JarSs> ok, created target, mounted...
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1514[23:00:35] <JarSs> now I'll try the rest
1515[23:00:49] <tomreyn> sudo file -s /dev/sda* can help with identifying the root file system.
1516[23:01:17] <tomreyn> you just said "sda1 is EFI", which rules out that sda1 is the root file system
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1519[23:02:32] <JarSs> ok just tried file -s /dev/sda* lots of info...
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1521[23:02:51] <tomreyn> sudo file -s /dev/sda* 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
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1524[23:03:31] <n4dir> if you mount it you will see if it is root by looking at what is to be found on the mountpoint, no?
1525[23:03:49] <tomreyn> yes, that's what i explained a while ago
1526[23:03:55] <tomreyn> or tried to
1527[23:04:17] <tomreyn> but this is a difficult process the first time around
1528[23:04:17] <n4dir> yeah, i read now and then, but only parts of it. Go ahead
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1530[23:04:24] <n4dir> it sure is.
1531[23:04:35] <n4dir> and confusing like helll
1532[23:04:35] <JarSs> sorry for the headache I feel bad >.>
1533[23:04:55] <n4dir> you will get it sorted. good luck
1534[23:04:57] <JarSs> maybe I can get you a drink tomreyn?
1535[23:05:03] <JarSs> :)
1536[23:05:10] <tomreyn> JarSs: hehe, thanks, but no.
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1538[23:05:34] <tomreyn> JarSs: if you do this you should get a http address in return, and we can see what you have there. sudo file -s /dev/sda* 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
1539[23:05:58] <tomreyn> it means dosclosing this info to the world, but i don't think it'll be too sensitive
1540[23:06:02] <JarSs> ...does that require internet connection tomreyn?
1541[23:06:07] <tomreyn> it does
1542[23:06:12] <JarSs> because, I don't have that haha
1543[23:06:16] <JarSs> I need to install the firmware
1544[23:06:21] <JarSs> which I can't because it won't boot...
1545[23:06:32] <JarSs> don't jump out the window just yet
1546[23:06:56] <JarSs> maybe though I can paste a picture hang on
1547[23:07:00] <tomreyn> back in the days they had this thing called "ethernet", it worked pretty well.
1548[23:07:00] <JarSs> I'll use my phone
1549[23:07:15] <JarSs> tomreyn: not on nice modern XPS they don't...
1550[23:07:18] <JarSs> but one sec let me see here
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1552[23:07:21] <n4dir> and it won't boot because grub is broken, i got that right? And right now you folks are trying to chroot to repair grub?
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1554[23:07:33] <JarSs> bingo n4dir
1555[23:07:55] <tomreyn> yes, sney suggested this approach.
1556[23:07:59] <n4dir> it is confusing, and a lot, but do-able. Just stay calm and give it the time it needs
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1558[23:08:49] <JarSs> I'm going to post a pic to imgur in a min
1559[23:08:56] <tomreyn> JarSs: if you have a way to 'tether' the phone using a wire, this can help you get online
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1561[23:09:15] <JarSs> I might have something let me see
1562[23:09:25] <tomreyn> (without needing extra firmware)
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1564[23:10:15] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
1565[23:10:15] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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1567[23:12:50] <jhutchins> Note that none of that requires a working connection.
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1570[23:14:01] <JarSs> ibb.co/YLSxFy8
1571[23:14:27] <JarSs> ...does that help tomreyn?
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1573[23:14:38] <JarSs> and thanks for keep posting it
1574[23:14:59] <tomreyn> a bit, it's not one of the commands i provided, but better than nothing ;)
1575[23:15:11] <JarSs> didn't you gitve me the file -s?
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1577[23:15:21] <tomreyn> not *this* file -s
1578[23:15:21] <JarSs> can't keep track....
1579[23:15:33] <JarSs> OK. tell me what comamnd to run I'll do it haha
1580[23:15:39] <tomreyn> sudo file -s /dev/sda*
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1582[23:15:43] <JarSs> I had to restart again (it locked me out, I don't know what the live CD password is)
1583[23:15:52] <JarSs> ok! one sec
1584[23:16:33] <tomreyn> default password is: live
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1586[23:17:28] <JarSs> ibb.co/j4BHtwD
1587[23:17:41] <tomreyn> sda1 will be EFI/ESP, sda2 will be /boot, sda3 will contain the rest, or be / (the root file system)
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1590[23:18:24] <tomreyn> in your case, sda3 is a dmcrypt-LUKS v2 crypto container
1591[23:18:47] <JarSs> ...so which one am I trying to mount? I remember root filesystem, but still don't understand how that ties to *b*oot if at all
1592[23:19:22] <JarSs> wait, sda1?
1593[23:19:44] <JarSs> no! you said sda3 will contain the rest, or be /
1594[23:19:51] <JarSs> god you want to kill me don't you
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1596[23:20:23] <tomreyn> hehe
1597[23:20:32] <tomreyn> i don't want to guide anymore on this approach.
1598[23:20:48] <tomreyn> let's just fix it in stead. it's a new acer laptop, isnt it?
1599[23:21:02] <JarSs> XPS. not new... new-ish?
1600[23:21:06] <JarSs> should be 2015 m odel
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1602[23:21:10] <JarSs> Dell XPS
1603[23:21:10] <tomreyn> ah dell, ok then i don't know whats wrong
1604[23:21:33] <tomreyn> you need to continue on this route, or reinstall with the firmware iso
1605[23:21:43] <tomreyn> which may or may not work
1606[23:21:57] <JarSs> this route meaning the instructions to reinstall grub?
1607[23:22:04] <tomreyn> the problem you're facing now is that your root file system is wrapped in LVM which is wrapped in a crypto container
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1609[23:22:26] <tomreyn> and i'm not going to guide you through fixing this
1610[23:22:41] <JarSs> ok wait tomreyn, I had this issue also without encrypting
1611[23:22:55] <JarSs> if I get what youre' saying we would be able to resolve this way if it wasn't encrypted?
1612[23:23:05] <tomreyn> yes, the route of following the instructions to reinstall grub, which are not covering the crypto mount + lvm setup
1613[23:23:13] <JarSs> I see.
1614[23:23:16] <n4dir> thing is: doing a chroot if lvm and encryption or even both are involved is more complicated
1615[23:23:39] <JarSs> even if I have the key? and I can try to mount it etc?
1616[23:23:44] <JarSs> eh I'll just take your word for it
1617[23:23:51] <tomreyn> i wish you much luck, JarSs, need to take a break, sorry.
1618[23:24:02] <JarSs> don't be. you helped plenty THANK you.
1619[23:24:08] <tomreyn> :)
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1623[23:29:27] <n4dir> JarSs: it's just more steps. And the live needs to have lvm and luks (?), which not all have, and so on.
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1625[23:33:31] <JarSs> I'm going to try without ecryption (reinstalling now) n4dir
1626[23:33:48] <JarSs> I will use the laptop rarely and I guess I could ssh back home for my files :/
1627[23:34:09] <n4dir> for a laptop encryption might be useful. I am always at home, so i gave up on it, due to that very problem, but else it is worth to get the head in it. I guess
1628[23:34:20] <n4dir> ah, you just said it
1629[23:34:27] <jhutchins> JarSs: Ah, so you do have backups for the data.
1630[23:34:39] <JarSs> I have lots of backups lol
1631[23:34:58] <JarSs> yeah mostly I work from hom on a VM (which is debian, very happy with it)
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1633[23:35:06] <Unit193> You can also do some middle ground with libpam-mount and cryfs or gocryptfs.
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1635[23:35:11] <JarSs> and I have a RP synching my stuff, emacs org mode specifically
1636[23:35:16] <jhutchins> Yeah, at this point you could probably done a clean install AND restored the data,
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1638[23:35:26] <n4dir> encfs or such i do remember too. straight forward
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1641[23:35:55] <jhutchins> I'd work on getting it to boot reliably and getting the firmware for your wifi.
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1643[23:36:21] <jhutchins> After that, you can start adding layers of complexity.
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1645[23:36:30] <JarSs> ok reinstalled and sure enough "no boot device found
1646[23:36:37] <JarSs> so back to squre 1
1647[23:36:42] <JarSs> now I will try to follow the steps here
1648[23:36:48] <Unit193> n4dir: There were issues with that so it fell out of favor.
1649[23:37:02] <n4dir> i see. It's been ages. thanks for the info
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1653[23:37:21] <jhutchins> JarSs: How did you partition it?
1654[23:37:48] <JarSs> jhutchins: I just used whatever defaults there are from the live USB
1655[23:38:01] <JarSs> killed it all, reinstalled.
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1658[23:38:31] <n4dir> aka: the sledgehammer ! :-)
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1660[23:38:54] <jhutchins> JarSs: How did you "kill" it?
1661[23:39:54] <JarSs> jhutchins: I used the installer, chose the option to delete the hard drive, and reinstall
1662[23:40:18] <n4dir> this is my video card: replaced-url
1663[23:40:23] <JarSs> I'm looking at the output of sudo file -s /dev/sda*
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1665[23:40:32] <n4dir> sorry. [AMD/ATI] RS482/RS485 [Radeon Xpress 1100/1150]
1666[23:40:47] <n4dir> and i got really bad graphics. Is there anything i can do about it?
1667[23:40:55] <JarSs> what I'm looking for is sda2, because it says linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data....?
1668[23:41:16] <JarSs> to run chroot and reinstall grub
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1672[23:45:01] <j`ey> how can i get a cross aarch64-linux-gnu gdb?
1673[23:45:09] <JarSs> can someone help with this:
1674[23:45:11] <JarSs> run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub &&
1675[23:45:12] <JarSs> grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>,
1676[23:45:12] <JarSs> <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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1678[23:45:35] <JarSs> ok, in terminal "mount /boot/efi but what does it mean "on EFI"
1679[23:45:55] <JarSs> on my EFI filesystem? sda1 in my case?
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1681[23:48:01] <jhutchins> JarSs: No, you mount a filesystem on a mount point.
1682[23:48:48] <jhutchins> JarSs: Does your laptop boot in BIOS mode? (Might be labeled "legacy".)
1683[23:49:11] <jhutchins> !radeon
1684[23:49:11] <dpkg> Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (replaced-url
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1688[23:50:27] <jhutchins> n4dir: Ought to be something useful there. If you're going to install the driver from ATI, follow their directions _exactly_. If you've tried other stuff it may be difficult to clean up.
1689[23:50:27] <JarSs> I just did "mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi"
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1691[23:50:35] <n4dir> thanks jhutchins i looked at the wiki page back and forth, i for one didn't really understand it (not much in graphics, i always run in intel), tried back and forth but without success
1692[23:50:49] <JarSs> jhutchins: what do you mean boot in BIOS mode. into bios configurtations?
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1694[23:52:09] <jhutchins> JarSs: Many systems have the ability to boot to have the basic BIOS functions of connecting drives and managing memory without the need for EFI, but it you got it mounted just proceed.
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1696[23:52:49] <jhutchins> JarSs: It's odd that the system is not finding a bootable device. You're not getting as far as grub.
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1699[23:54:41] <JarSs> I GOT IT!
1700[23:54:43] <JarSs> IT"S WORKASINFSDS
1701[23:54:47] <JarSs> OMG I'm gonna blow
1702[23:55:14] <JarSs> jhutchins: the issue was that grub was not loading after regular install. what I did for the last 2 hours or so is try to reinstall grub into sda1
1703[23:55:22] <JarSs> and I just did it successfully, looks like
1704[23:55:34] <n4dir> uh yeah !
1705[23:55:44] <JarSs> the problem is that the hard drive is not encrypted, because reinstalling grub was too complicated...
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1707[23:56:03] <JarSs> n4dir: you witnessed it :D
1708[23:56:03] <jhutchins> Well, good, try to figure out what actually worked, and see if you can figure out what the direct path would have been.
1709[23:56:21] <JarSs> jhutchins: I don't know why it wouldn't install grub correctly the "regular" way
1710[23:56:25] <JarSs> I have no idea where to start.
1711[23:56:36] <JarSs> it would seem that grub was damaged or not install in the right place
1712[23:56:49] <JarSs> but then again, I wouldn't know how to fix it with encryption.
1713[23:56:56] <jhutchins> JarSs: Well, keep learning, and maybe that hardware is just not compatible.
1714[23:57:05] <JarSs> this is persistant, every time I tried to install debian, I would get this issue with this specific laptop (Dell XPS)
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1718[23:59:01] <JarSs> If I was to create an encrypted container (LUKs, maybe vera crypt), could I have another user with the home foler there? or is that going to cause issues.
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