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• 87[00:38:53] <slink> dose debian 8 come w/ systemd as default?
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• 89[00:39:08] <TomTomTosch> slink, yes.
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• 92[00:40:11] <slink> would it be ill advised to remove it?
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• 94[00:40:49] <teraflops> why?
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• 97[00:41:23] <TomTomTosch> it's up to you. you can use sysvinit if you want. but "why?" is a good question.
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• 99[00:41:24] <slink> curious. a friend had a problem and i had a problem on another machine where trying to restart a service wouldn't work. and on his it would hang
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• 101[00:41:41] <slink> i'm thinking about when i upgrade my server
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• 104[00:42:07] <TomTomTosch> then you should try to fix the underlying problem.
• 105[00:42:20] <slink> rebooting fixed it in both instances
• 106[00:43:19] <cheapie> I'm personally of the opinion that systemd is great for those people that "just want to use their computer". That is, the target audience of, say, GNOME or KDE. I'm a bit more undecided as far as servers and such go.
• 107[00:43:50] <slink> i'm going to leave it on there unless it gives me a lot of trouble
• 108[00:43:56] <slink> if it's the way of the future :x
• 109[00:44:00] <cheapie> That's my plan too.
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• 111[00:44:25] <cheapie> It used to break a lot on me, but it has gotten a lot better.
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• 117[00:44:56] <slink> that's good
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• 122[00:45:33] <slink> my router is still running debian 6. i've never done a dist-upgrade before
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• 125[00:46:44] <TomTomTosch> then it's highes railway
• 126[00:46:52] <cheapie> I'm running jessie (8) + backports on my router, and that was a dist-upgrade from wheezy (7, IIRC).
• 127[00:46:54] * TomTomTosch notes idioms don't translate well.
• 128[00:47:28] <Somelauw> teraflops: tried $HOME didn't work, will try "" next. It works for dash. But e.g. dmenu can't find it. .xprofile did nothing, .bash_profile did nothing, only .xsession was interpreted.
• 129[00:47:29] <TomTomTosch> slink, you probably don't want unsupported software running on your router.
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• 131[00:48:02] <slink> TomTomTosch: what unsupported software?
• 132[00:48:07] <Somelauw> teraflops: should I quote the whole path or per semicolon?
• 133[00:48:10] <slink> router = actual computer
• 134[00:48:21] <slink> not one of those small embedded/linksys ones
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• 136[00:48:30] <cheapie> 6 is "a bit" old.
• 137[00:48:30] <TomTomTosch> slink, squeeze is no longer supported. it reached EOL.
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• 140[00:48:38] <dvs> slink, the software that is not receiving security updates anymore.
• 141[00:48:40] <slink> TomTomTosch: i realize that, last month
• 142[00:48:58] <slink> can i still upgrade it in place to the next version?
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• 145[00:49:31] <cheapie> You should be able to.
• 146[00:49:43] <dvs> slink, read the release notes first!!!
• 147[00:49:55] <dvs> especially chapter 4
• 148[00:49:59] <slink> alrighty
• 149[00:50:10] <slink> should i go direct from squeeze to jessie? or squeeze to wheezy?
• 150[00:50:21] <slink> are these labeled after toystory characters? lol
• 151[00:50:24] <cheapie> One at a time is recommended.
• 152[00:50:30] <cheapie> And yes, they are.
• 153[00:50:45] <dvs> slink, do NOT go directly to jessie
• 154[00:50:55] <slink> alright, i thought as much
• 155[00:51:34] <slink> "Chapter 4. Upgrades from Debian 6.0 (squeezze)
• 156[00:51:38] <slink> will have to read it later
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• 158[00:51:50] <cheapie> At least you're not still /on/ slink (what was that, 2.something?)
• 159[00:52:15] <slink> my nick has nothing to do with debian =P
• 160[00:52:16] <teraflops> Somelauw: if im not mistaken $PATH outside double quotes breaks if PATH contains whitespace or \[*?
• 161[00:52:19] <slink> coincidence
• 162[00:52:37] <teraflops> Somelauw: for other than bash
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• 165[00:54:30] <slink> afk
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• 169[00:56:50] <Somelauw> teraflops: teraflops didn't work. I wonder how xsession is run by lightdm, because it seems to work in every shell. By the way the thing that doesn't work is expanding the *.
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• 172[00:57:26] <teraflops> Somelauw: hmm, i thing i read something
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• 174[00:57:39] <Somelauw> as a workaround I can make a script that automatically expands my path in my .zshrc and writes the expanded path to .xsession or something
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• 176[00:58:15] <teraflops> Somelauw: replaced-url
• 177[00:58:59] <teraflops> think*^
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• 190[01:03:00] <Somelauw> I don't mean .profile if it weren't ignored
• 191[01:03:12] <Somelauw> s/mean/mind putting it in
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• 195[01:04:55] <teraflops> Somelauw: are you sure the "*" ins't being escaped somehow?
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• 199[01:10:23] <Somelauw> single quotes would escape it, double ones not
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• 207[01:14:01] <Somelauw> teraflops: i think i'll give up
• 208[01:14:08] <teraflops> Somelauw: hmm
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• 211[01:15:12] <teraflops> Somelauw: at least you found a workaround, im sorry for not being more helpful
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• 216[01:15:34] <Somelauw> teraflops: thanks for trying
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• 235[01:22:55] <Lacho> hello
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• 241[01:23:37] <Lacho> can anyone help me ?
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• 246[01:25:01] <Lacho> i have this problem in my pc:
• 247[01:25:01] <Lacho> dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable
• 248[01:25:02] <Lacho> dpkg: error: 1 expected program not found in PATH or not executable
• 249[01:25:02] <Lacho> Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin
• 250[01:25:02] <dpkg> lacho: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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• 266[01:32:57] <jaggzt> mercurial-common : Depends: libjs-excanvas but it is not installable
• 267[01:33:11] <jaggzt> hrm.. trying to install mercurial.. but it wants -common, and -common wants that
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• 270[01:34:24] <jaggzt> I don't seven see a package matching *excanvas*
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• 273[01:35:20] <kepi> replaced-url
• 274[01:35:47] <jeddi> is there a packaged gui app for doing (text) diffs that show top/bottom? i'm using kdiff3 and meld, but they both show side-by-side only - no option to do above/below, which makes working with very long-lined files painful.
• 275[01:35:55] <kepi> jaggzt: on sid it looks perfectly ok
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• 286[01:41:38] <okee> Does anyone know what version of OPera is in the repository for Jessie?
• 287[01:42:00] <teraflops> ,v opera
• 288[01:42:01] <judd> No package named 'opera' was found in amd64.
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• 298[01:46:10] <pugfantus> judd: replaced-url
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• 304[01:47:33] <pugfantus> ha, that redirects you to opera's site and gets you to dl the deb from there
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• 306[01:47:53] <Johntitor> pugfantus: judd is a bot and those are 3rd party repos
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• 308[01:48:21] <pugfantus> Johntitor: ha, ok, my bad
• 309[01:48:28] <Johntitor> [...] Opera is a non-free (proprietary) software. It isn't supported by Debian
• 310[01:48:32] <Johntitor> pugfantus: np
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• 315[01:49:28] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: "/msg dpkg bat" for the type of troubleshooting info we need to help you with your problem
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• 320[01:52:16] <okee> Would someone know what I need to do in order to get opera to update? I am getting an error message indicating that the following public key is unavailable: NO_PUBKEY 63F7D4AFF6D61D45
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• 322[01:52:30] <okee> I have posted to Opera, but never got a response.
• 323[01:52:40] <okee> I am running Debian Jessie.
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• 329[01:53:52] <jmcnaught> okee: maybe you forgot the step "Now, we are going to trust Opera:" in replaced-url
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• 341[01:58:36] <okee> jmcnaught> My sources.list file appears be correct, based on replaced-url
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• 343[01:59:21] <markybob> okee: like the error said, you need to be root. reading works
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• 345[01:59:43] <okee> markybob> I typed sudo in front of the command
• 346[02:00:12] <markybob> okee: yes, but that doesn't get fed into | apt-key
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• 348[02:00:28] <markybob> okee: oh and you mistyped it
• 349[02:00:36] <okee> markybob> So what is the right way to do it? Mistyped what?
• 350[02:00:40] <markybob> okee: wget -O - replaced-url
• 351[02:00:47] <markybob> okee: - before O
• 352[02:01:07] <markybob> okee: i told you. as root
• 353[02:01:22] <okee> markybob> I received an error with the - . That is why I took it out.
• 354[02:01:39] <markybob> okee: because you weren't root. this is silly
• 355[02:02:04] <okee> markybob> So what do you recommend so that I am recognized as root?
• 356[02:02:19] <markybob> okee: su to become root
• 357[02:03:22] <jmcnaught> okee: or "sudo -i" to become root. remember that every third party repo carries the possibility of breaking a future upgrade
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• 367[02:07:15] <okee> jmcnaught> I received a message indicating it was saved to STDOUT, but can't find it replaced-url
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• 374[02:10:08] <Miesco> Hi. I have this config option. What does it do?: aptitude "";
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• 379[02:14:00] <okee> How do I access a file that was saved to STDOUT?
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• 381[02:14:32] <jmcnaught> okee: the STDOUT was piped to apt-key. That's what the '|' does
• 382[02:15:30] <okee> jmcnaught> However, I am still a bit lossed as to how to effect an upgrade on here. So what would be the next step?
• 383[02:15:36] <jmcnaught> okee: you could use "apt-key list" to see if it got added
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• 386[02:16:02] <jmcnaught> okee: refer back to replaced-url
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• 388[02:18:33] <okee> jmcnaught> The key for opera was added, but the old keys for Opera are still in there. Do I need to remove those?
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• 392[02:19:52] <jmcnaught> okee: "man apt-key". personally i wouldn't have included them in the first place :)
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• 403[02:21:54] <buu> Man, that is an incredibly strange bug
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• 407[02:22:25] <buu> I can read from disk A by itself at well over 300MB/s and write to disk B at 500+ and yet writing from A to B went at a massive 8MB/s
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• 410[02:22:40] <okee> Now I am getting an error indicating that I can't run apt-get upgrade. The error is: 11: Resource temporarily unavailable. Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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• 413[02:23:29] <jmcnaught> okee: do you have synaptic open?
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• 415[02:23:44] <okee> jmcnaught> No.
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• 417[02:23:59] <jmcnaught> okee: are you running apt-get as root?
• 418[02:24:37] <okee> jmcnaught> I think I am still su
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• 420[02:24:44] <okee> So i guess I need to change that.
• 421[02:25:04] <jmcnaught> okee: "su" is not a user, it's a command that lets you become root (or other users)
• 422[02:27:02] <okee> jmcnaught> I am at the pound sign, and not sure what is going on. I am aware that su is a command that lets you become root.
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• 425[02:27:31] <jmcnaught> okee: the # means you are root, $ means regular user (in bash at least)
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• 429[02:28:29] <okee> jmcnaught> I still get an error indicating that apt-get is not available - 11: Resource temporarily unavailable
• 430[02:29:01] <jmcnaught> okee: are you sure you have no other apt related programs running, GUI or aptitude TUI or something?
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• 432[02:29:27] <okee> jmcnaught> I am not aware of anything else running.
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• 435[02:30:27] <jmcnaught> okee: make a pastebin of the command and complete output
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• 437[02:31:07] <george___> sometimes i forget i have apt-get doing something in another tty
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• 440[02:31:25] <jmcnaught> okee: i'll be gone for a bit, plenty of others here that can help :)
• 441[02:31:49] <okee> Here is the output replaced-url
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• 445[02:33:17] <george___> maybe try to kill the process? try to find apt-get process -- # ps aux | grep apt-get
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• 447[02:33:50] <okee> george___>Are you referring to me?
• 448[02:34:05] <george___> yeah m8
• 449[02:34:42] <george___> dont kill the process if it could be doing something important though, but you can kill process by name with a command like "pkill apt-get"
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• 464[02:41:18] <zykotick9> okee: <sidenote> when you are root (ie it shows # for a prompt) you DON'T have to use sudo... just type the command and it'll work.
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• 467[02:43:33] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, replaced-url
• 468[02:43:42] <jaggzt> oh
• 469[02:43:54] <jaggzt> okay, so that's my apt-cache policy and such for my failing install of mercurial
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• 474[02:45:55] <dvs> jaggzt, it seems like the regular repo is not set up for you.
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• 476[02:46:46] <jaggzt> dvs, here's my sources: replaced-url
• 477[02:47:06] <jaggzt> oh, I only have jessie-updates there.. ack.
• 478[02:47:18] <dvs> yup, the regular jessie repo is not there.
• 479[02:47:24] <zykotick9> dvs: i assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that |replaced-url
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• 483[02:50:04] <dvs> jaggzt, correction, it's there but it's commented out in lines 7 and 8. Also 9-10 and 15-16 are duplicates
• 484[02:50:11] <ghormoon> hi, when using expect to run something, how can I close it so expect doesn't complain? if I TERM expec or the service under, it exists with 143
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• 486[02:51:50] <jaggzt> dvs, so the host security.debian.org is not relevant.. just "jessie/updates"?
• 487[02:52:22] <okee> zykotick9> It still isn't working replaced-url
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• 489[02:52:57] <dvs> jaggzt, security is relevant. jessie/updates is a bit less relevant. But you don't have the main repo enabled.
• 490[02:53:07] <zykotick9> okee: i'm sorry, i wouldn't touch your issue with a 30 foot pole... sorry, if you are using deb-multimedia... others... expect issues. good luck.
• 491[02:53:09] <dvs> and that's why it can't update
• 492[02:53:50] <okee> zykotick9> How do I get out of root?
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• 494[02:54:16] <zykotick9> okee: that question makes NO sense?!?!
• 495[02:54:25] <zykotick9> okee: OH< sorry. "exit"
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• 498[02:54:39] <jaggzt> dvs, so should I continue using a security. host with "jessie/updates"? (I'm wondering which of the duplicated entries I should remove)
• 499[02:54:40] <dvs> zykotick9, wrong root. ;-)
• 500[02:54:49] <zykotick9> okee: i thought you where asking "how do i get rid of root" my mistake.
• 501[02:54:50] <jaggzt> and, yeah, I already added the main repo back
• 502[02:54:52] <jaggzt> :}
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• 504[02:55:09] <okee> zykotick9> I am currently in root, and wish to exit root. How do I do that?
• 505[02:55:16] <zykotick9> "exit"
• 506[02:55:37] <okee> zykotick9> I did not wish to close the terminal, just get out of root.
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• 508[02:56:08] <zykotick9> okee: did you "su -" first [or "su"] then my answer is the same "exit"
• 509[02:56:37] <okee> zykotick9> Exit doesn't close the screen
• 510[02:57:04] <jaggzt> ?
• 511[02:57:15] <bezzi> jaggzt: you didn't ask me but jessie should have 3 entries: main security and updates, and 1 more for each if you want source packages
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• 514[02:57:54] <okee> zykotick9> I have closed the screen, started a new session, attempted to upgrade, and get an error message indicating that the Resources is temporarily unavailable. I am not at root, and typed sudo apt-get upgrade
• 515[02:57:55] <bezzi> okee: exit should just drop you from root to regular user assuming you got to root but using su or sudo su
• 516[02:58:05] <dvs> bezzi, yeah lines 7, 9 and 12
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• 521[02:58:54] <zykotick9> okee: can you reboot your system? might be easiest? if you _still_ have to problem after reboot, then the lock would need to be manually removed... but not until you've rebooted/retried!
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• 523[02:59:13] <okee> zykotick9> Ok, I will reboot.
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• 525[02:59:23] <jaggzt> okee, sudo runs that program as a user root. when that program terminates, you're back at your normal user level (in shell).
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• 528[03:00:04] <jaggzt> If you sudo bash, it will give you a bash shell running as root (I don't ever do that though..). Instead, we use su or su -, which runs your shell as root
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• 530[03:00:54] <jaggzt> that bash is another bash running as root, but like any other program, when it exits you are back at the parent program (the parent bash), running with its original privileges
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• 532[03:01:36] <jaggzt> if you log in as root, then the login program that takes your username/password is what runs bash as root.. and when you exit it returns to login
• 533[03:03:21] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: your apt-cache policy output lists experimental, do you have any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ?
• 534[03:03:36] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, yes many
• 535[03:03:49] <dvs> jmcnaught, it's in the sources.list
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• 537[03:04:00] <jaggzt> replaced-url
• 538[03:04:14] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: when people ask for your sources.list they mean those too.. why do you have experimental, trying to break your system?
• 539[03:04:28] <okee> Ok, I have rebooted, and get an error at the terminal, indicating that dpkg was interrupted, and that I must manually run sudo dpkg -- configure -a to correct the problem.
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• 541[03:04:43] <jaggzt> I donut know why I have experimental there anymore
• 542[03:04:52] <jaggzt> surely there was a reason for it at some time :)
• 543[03:05:01] <dvs> as
• 544[03:05:04] <dvs> <z
• 545[03:05:09] <dvs> oops
• 546[03:05:10] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: it would have been a bad reason, experimental does not mix with stable
• 547[03:05:20] <cafuego> # 2016-03-15 Comments because I needed this repo for foobar.
• 548[03:05:21] <bezzi> well there are still cd entries in there
• 549[03:05:23] <LambdaComplex> something something frankendebian?
• 550[03:05:39] <jaggzt> heh
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• 552[03:06:21] <okee> zykotick9> Here is the latest error message.
• 553[03:06:21] <LambdaComplex> that reminds me; i've been meaning to ask if the claim that "linux mint is a frankendebian" has any merit
• 554[03:06:54] <jaggzt> I don't have any experimental entries in sources.list.d/* though
• 555[03:07:27] <jmcnaught> LambdaComplex: i think mint not being able to do release upgrades, and needing to pin packages so they don't get updated qualifies it as a frankendebian of sorts </offtopic>
• 556[03:07:33] <okee> zykotick9> If I understand the error message correctly, it looks like the locales didn't get correctly upgraded when upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie. Am I correct?
• 557[03:07:34] <zykotick9> okee: did you run the command it suggested? that would be step #1 for sure.
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• 560[03:07:52] <okee> zykotick9> Yes, I did and the error is posted replaced-url
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• 563[03:08:58] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: the problem you're having is because you have too many repos in your sources. at the very least you should remove experimental, and probably all the third party ones too. also your first paste (replaced-url
• 564[03:08:59] <zykotick9> okee: ya, looks like a locales error to me as well... best of luck, i've got nothin' to suggest :(
• 565[03:09:04] <bezzi> okee: how i upgrade -> copy my important stuff -> nuke and reinstall. works everytime
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• 567[03:09:32] <zykotick9> bezzi: did you come from ubuntu-land ;)
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• 570[03:09:53] <okee> bezzi> What about just fixing and correcting the locales package? That would see a lot simpler if I knew how to do it.
• 571[03:10:01] <bezzi> zyko: yeah I'm pretty nup at this.... xserver doesn't work? REINSTALL!
• 572[03:10:09] <bezzi> - /s
• 573[03:10:17] <jmcnaught> okee: "apt-cache policy libc6" also are you on wheezy or jessie?
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• 575[03:10:32] <okee> jmcnaught> I am on jessie
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• 578[03:10:49] <jmcnaught> okee: it looks like you still have wheezy's libc
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• 580[03:11:08] <jmcnaught> okee: line 9 of replaced-url
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• 582[03:11:53] <jmcnaught> okee: the apt-get process in the background that you couldn't find, was it possibly the upgrade process still running, stuck on a question or something?
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• 589[03:13:30] <okee> jmcnaught> I don't think so, but not sure what is going on. The sources.list file wasn't updated before an update was run on Jessie, which may have corrupted things. This is the results of apt-cache policy libc6 replaced-url
• 590[03:14:09] <zykotick9> okee: installed != candidate
• 591[03:14:23] <jmcnaught> okee: that is wheezy's libc6. you're halfway between wheezy and jessie
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• 593[03:14:38] <okee> jmcnaught> I know. How do i correct this?
• 594[03:14:50] <okee> I have mixed versions.
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• 597[03:16:33] <bezzi> okee at this point I would guess that backup/reinstall may be faster, but of course solving the problem gets you experience
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• 599[03:16:44] <dvs> ???
• 600[03:16:44] <jmcnaught> okee: first i would make sure sources.list (and sources.list.d) are correct and don't have any third party repos. then you might be able to apt-get update, and then apt-get install libc6 to get the correct version. however it seems like dpkg has been left in an inconsistent state
• 601[03:17:13] <svetlana> dvs, yes?
• 602[03:17:14] <jmcnaught> making sure everything is backed up is a pretty good idea too
• 603[03:17:42] <bezzi> actually yeah even if you don't intend to reinstall, backing up just in case things devolve
• 604[03:17:57] <okee> jmcnaught> I found an error in the sources.list, which may have been the cause of the problem. Apparently I had failed to change one of the lines from wheezy to jessie.
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• 606[03:19:06] <jmcnaught> okee: hopefully we can fix it, it might require someone with more experience with broken apt/dpkg than me though :)
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• 608[03:19:15] * jmcnaught is here for moral support.
• 609[03:19:24] <okee> jmcnaught> I just ran upgrade with option -f, to fix some unmet dependencies.
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• 611[03:20:43] <jmcnaught> okee: make a paste of each step if you can, so that others can help spot errors and what not with as much context as possible
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• 614[03:22:06] <okee> jmcnaught> I just received an error message, while running apt-get upgrade -f, and it is listed as follows replaced-url
• 615[03:22:25] <okee> It indicates that xscreensaver and xlockmore must be restarted before upgrading.
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• 618[03:23:28] <jmcnaught> okee: it wants to make sure that the screen doesn't lock on you while glibc is being replaced, because you might not be able to unlock. are you running in a screen session?
• 619[03:23:34] <srruby> Debian jessie: How do I set things up so that closing the laptop lid will run s2both ? I'm using openbox.
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• 622[03:23:58] <jmcnaught> okee: probably disabling your screen saver altogether for now is a good idea
• 623[03:24:00] <bezzi> okee: it may be beneficial to move to a tty and close gui to do this
• 624[03:24:04] <okee> jmcnaught> I am in terminal mode
• 625[03:24:22] <bezzi> okee: then that is a weird error, can you just stop those services?
• 626[03:24:52] <jmcnaught> okee: you mean you used Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a tty?
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• 628[03:25:07] <okee> bezzi> I am still running the routine to remove wheezy, and fix dependencies.
• 629[03:25:26] <bezzi> jmcnaught: unlikely, he is posting to web
• 630[03:25:34] <bezzi> jmcnaught: probably not from lynx
• 631[03:25:50] <bezzi> okee: aj
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• 635[03:26:42] <jmcnaught> bezzi: there are tools like pastebinit
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• 638[03:27:21] <bezzi> jmcnaught: ah cool cheers
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• 640[03:29:05] <okee> I still can't believe how many wheezy files didn't get upgraded. It is still running the -f option for fixing dependencies.
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• 642[03:30:00] <dvs> okee, What command did you run to do the upgrade?
• 643[03:30:13] <okee> sudo apt-get upgrade -f
• 644[03:30:39] <dvs> okee, That's the command you used the first time?
• 645[03:31:06] <okee> dvs> no
• 646[03:31:16] <dvs> What was the command?
• 647[03:31:42] <dvs> s/the/that/
• 648[03:31:48] <okee> dvs> It was something like apt-get upgrade distribution
• 649[03:32:03] <bezzi> okee: dist-upgrade
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• 651[03:32:08] <okee> bezzi> yes
• 652[03:32:16] * dvs wishes people would read the release notes before upgrading.
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• 654[03:33:29] <bezzi> dvs: read a whole book before upgrading?
• 655[03:33:47] <bezzi> dvs: or are there important parts you would be looking at in particular
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• 657[03:34:04] <jmcnaught> bezzi: the release notes are not a whole book, and reading them is a lot easier than dealing with a botched upgrade for several hours
• 658[03:34:43] <dvs> bezzi, chapter four would be the most important
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• 662[03:35:32] <jmcnaught> real nerds *want* to read the docs
• 663[03:35:53] <dvs> nerds? administrators!
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• 669[03:38:23] <okee> I will be back in awhile. Taking a break......
• 670[03:38:31] <bezzi> jmcnaught: the docs are IN the computer
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• 673[03:40:51] <jmcnaught> bezzi: besides, the release notes has exciting stuff, like what's new, issues to look out for etc.
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• 678[03:42:58] <bugzc> so I update my debian jessie install from the backports repo, reboot, and it wont load X. did a bit of reading and though maybe I needed a new kernel. upgraded kernel to 4.x. grub wouldnt pick up the new one. had a fun time reinstalling grub2. eventually boots fine and runs X with the 4.x kernel.
• 679[03:43:21] <somiaj> bugzc: what did you install from the backports repo?
• 680[03:43:55] <bugzc> somiaj: apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade (with grub held back because it moaned about critical bugs)
• 681[03:43:59] <somiaj> by default packages from jessie-backports will not be installed in jessie, so you don't just automaticlaly get all backports by adding the backports repo. You have to specific each and every package youw ant from it.
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• 683[03:44:05] <bezzi> jmcnaught: yeah I will def look into it next time i fully upgrade
• 684[03:44:31] <somiaj> bugzc: that is dangerous, backport packages are not as well tested as the main packages and may have bugs arise from having them all installed. You should only isntall the package prots you need, not upgrade to them.
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• 686[03:44:34] <jmcnaught> bugzc: the introduction on replaced-url
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• 688[03:44:52] <awal1> So no systemd shutdown (poweroff/reboot) logs, eh?
• 689[03:45:03] <ashes-mobile> hello. i have debian 8 installed on my beagleboard. i am using it from ssh, and it's running lxqt. how can i disable/stop lxqt without uninstalling it, so i can easily reenable it?
• 690[03:45:33] <bugzc> jmcnaught: must have slipped my mind
• 691[03:45:43] <awal1> Is what explained here replaced-url
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• 696[03:46:23] <pendleton> ashes-mobile: are you looking for something like systemctl disable lxqt
• 697[03:46:31] <ashes-mobile> pendleton: thanks
• 698[03:46:33] <somiaj> asterismo_m: what is lxqt? If it is a service just use systemd to enable/disable it
• 699[03:46:37] <jmcnaught> awal1: do you mean you want to be able to read the journal of the previous boot's shutdown?
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• 702[03:47:21] <bugzc> I guess I was hoping to have something more bleedey-edgey but with up to date security updates, and testing/sid didn't seem to fit..
• 703[03:47:35] <bugzc> Perhaps someone has a better suggestion
• 704[03:47:50] <jmcnaught> bugzc: stable with selective backports is the sweetspot
• 705[03:48:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1620
• 706[03:48:04] * dvs agrees
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• 708[03:48:25] <bugzc> jmcnaught: that's what Ive been doing until I messed up with the -t jessie-backports upgrade thing.
• 709[03:48:35] <awal1> jmcnaught: sometimes poweroff/reboot takes more time then usual because of X service that doesn't finish but I dont know which one exactly so the idea is debug shutdown (poweroff / reboot) problems
• 710[03:48:54] <bugzc> But I find some packages are still well outdated, and manually installing later versions requires deps not available in jessie or backports.
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• 712[03:49:25] <awal1> not boots, but shutdowns
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• 716[03:50:09] <somiaj> bugzc: in terms of jessie you should pick each battle and if there is a paticular piece of software you want that is not in jessie this is how you go about getting it.
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• 718[03:50:21] <somiaj> bugzc: 1) check if there is a backport, if so just install the backport done.
• 719[03:50:46] <jmcnaught> bugzc: there are other distros that do the "everything is bleeding edge" thing. The Debian Stable way is to use packages that have been extensively tested, and to stick with known-working versions for a couple of years at a time.
• 720[03:50:56] <somiaj> bugzc: if there is not a backport you will have to compile/build it yourself for jessie. This can be as simple as /msg dpkg ssb to very difficult. For example backporing all of KDE5 to work nicely with jessie is very difficutl.
• 721[03:51:09] <awal1> thats perfectly explained in the link (replaced-url
• 722[03:51:35] <somiaj> bugzc: on top of being frozen, it also ensure you know that all the software can be installed and work together. This testing takes time and thus the newer versions are not available.
• 723[03:52:09] <jmcnaught> awal1: by default Jessie does not keep the journal between boots. Check /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian, there's info about keeping peristent journal, and how to enable a debug shell at boot or shutdown
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• 727[03:52:22] <somiaj> awal1: the main thing you will have to watch out for with somethign like that is ensure the version of systemd used in debian supports the features you are trying to use.
• 728[03:52:51] <bugzc> I was thinking of setting up LXC containers for bleeding edge stuff that does not otherwise play nice on jessie, but haven't yet figured out how to make it play nicely with X applications
• 729[03:53:07] <awal1> jmcnaught, ok, i'll check the readme
• 730[03:53:10] <awal1> ok, somiaj
• 731[03:53:23] <okee> I have received another message regarding phpbb3 replaced-url
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• 733[03:53:56] <somiaj> bugzc: X applications are difficult, otherwise a chroot is sufficent if you don't aren't worried in the extra security an LXC container has
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• 735[03:54:42] <somiaj> bugzc: if the xlibs haven't drifted to much (This can be hit/miss) you can actually run xorg applications from inside a chroot using schroot, but unsure if an xapplication with sid libs can talk tot he jessie xserver or not
• 736[03:55:21] <jmcnaught> okee: that one is sorta up to you. the message says it makes a backup dump of the DB before trying to upgrade. You should refer to the /usr/share/doc/phpbb and also the project's documentation. It's probably safe to let dbconfig-common handle this, but you might need to manually recover if it doesn't work
• 737[03:55:26] <okee> received still another error during apt-get upgrade -f replaced-url
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• 739[03:56:04] <bugzc> thanks for the tips. I will have to look into that when I have a weekend.
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• 741[03:56:45] <jmcnaught> okee: i guess verify that this .mysql file actually exists and looks like a proper mysqldump, and stop that service (or apache or whatever) until the rest of the upgrade completes and you can get back to it
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• 744[03:57:43] <bugzc> I am seeing ACPI errors in dmesg now. I have not noticed those before, so not sure if they happened before the upgrade. e.g. Field [D128] at 1040 exceeds Buffer [NULL] size 160 (bits) .. ///and/// Method parse/execution failed [\_SB.WMID.WMAD]
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• 749[03:59:39] <okee> jmcaught> I am back to the same error again replaced-url
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• 754[04:02:02] <jmcnaught> okee: did you switch terminals or screens or use ctrl+z or something?
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• 756[04:02:38] <okee> jmcnaught> No, I just closed the MySQL notice before I saw your post about shutting off the service.
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• 758[04:03:17] <okee> the update seemed to work correctly, but I need to delete some outdated sources in the sources.list file. i am getting an error for replaced-url
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• 760[04:03:42] <jmcnaught> okee: how did you "close the mysql notice"?
• 761[04:04:18] <okee> jmcnaught> I closed the screen because the "OK" button wouldn't advance, and wasn't highlighted.
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• 763[04:04:46] <Lacho> hello
• 764[04:04:57] <Lacho> can anyone help me ?
• 765[04:05:01] <okee> I need to find the correct entry for the sources file for sourceforge. switch.dl.sourceforge.net/project/jedit/Release.gpg apparently is outdated.
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• 767[04:05:11] <jmcnaught> okee: you mean that you closed the terminal window that was running apt-get? don't do that anymore! :P
• 768[04:05:31] <Lacho> dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable
• 769[04:05:31] <dpkg> lacho: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
• 770[04:05:35] <okee> jmcnaught> It wasn't running, and locked up.
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• 773[04:06:09] <jmcnaught> okee: i think even ctrl+c would be better than simply closing the terminal window
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• 775[04:06:52] <okee> jmcnaught> There is a routine for removing mixed editions, but I forgot what it is.
• 776[04:07:01] <okee> I think I need to do that at this point.
• 777[04:07:23] <jmcnaught> okee: locks are so that only one process can use a file at one time, to prevent two apt-gets working at the same time. if you simply kill apt-get like that, it doesn't get a chance to remove its lock. that is how you keep causing this problem
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• 779[04:07:57] <jmcnaught> okee: remove all non-debian repos from sources.list and sources.list.d, is that what you mean?
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• 781[04:08:35] <okee> jmcnaught> I was referring to the sourceforge.net entry, which is used for jedit.
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• 784[04:10:23] <jmcnaught> okee: i don't understand you. if at this point this repo is causing a problem, remove it for now and focus on getting Debian in order. save the third party stuff for later
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• 787[04:10:59] <okee> jmcnaught> I just deleted the entry in the sources.list, since jedit has been added to the Debian Repos.
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• 790[04:11:37] <markybob> it's been in since wheezy
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• 796[04:14:13] <okee> I am going to reboot
• 797[04:14:16] <jmcnaught> awal1: it would also be interesting to see if systemd-analyze could be used for the shutdown (i have no idea)
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• 800[04:15:22] <markybob> he's running a mysql server. that's terrifying.
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• 808[04:20:25] <awal1> jmcnaught, according to man, systemd-analyze is designed for boot stuff only
• 809[04:20:50] <okee> OK, I am back to the screen that has the mysql socket error, and this time I am not closing the screen. I assume I need to stop service for mysql?
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• 811[04:21:27] <jmcnaught> awal1: yeah i know, but maybe some systemd guru knows how to use it for analyzing shutdown
• 812[04:21:31] <okee> Looking back it was a mistake to allow the routine to configure phpbb. I should have selected the "no" option, and wouldn't have had the extra work.
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• 817[04:22:15] <jmcnaught> okee: replaced-url
• 818[04:22:16] <awal1> jmcnaught, I'll add some parameters to CMDLINE as explained in debian systemd wiki and check the results next reboot/poweroff
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• 820[04:22:45] <jmcnaught> okee: you could try restoring that mysqldump and then manually completing the phpbb upgrade process
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• 826[04:24:34] <okee> jmcnaught> My main concern is how to get out of the screen that says "If at this point you choose "retry", you will ble prompted with all the configuration questions once more and another attempt will be made at performing, etc, etc.". The problem is that there is no retry or quit option. There is an ok at the bottom, but it isn't highlighted. I may have to reboot, and go through the thing again.
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• 829[04:25:19] <jmcnaught> okee: can you make a screenshot?
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• 831[04:25:25] <awal1> the problem is that if 'quiet' is removed from cmdline, tty's get spamed by systemd advise/messages about running services and it's not comfortable when doing things in tty's
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• 834[04:25:50] <somiaj> awal1: looking for anything in paticular, is this a boot issue or a shutdown issue?
• 835[04:26:07] <awal1> somiaj, shutdown issue
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• 837[04:26:33] <somiaj> awal1: what is the exact issue? Did you follow the not jmcnaught pointed you at about making journalctl persistance across boots?
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• 840[04:27:17] <okee> jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 842[04:27:42] <awal1> somiaj, yeah, but I'll see results next time I reboot
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• 845[04:28:31] <jmcnaught> okee: is mysql running?
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• 847[04:28:49] <jmcnaught> okee: "systemctl status mysql" or "service mysql status"
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• 849[04:28:57] <okee> jmcnaught> I think it is, but can't figure out how to shut it off.
• 850[04:29:25] <svetlana> Use ':' or ',' for pinging people please, the '>' makes it look like you are quoting the guy
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• 856[04:30:12] <jmcnaught> okee: your IRC client probably has tab completion, if you start typing "jmcn" then hit <TAB> it'll probably complete to "jmcnaught: "
• 857[04:30:46] <jmcnaught> still '>' is way better than prefix @
• 858[04:31:06] <jmcnaught> hash tag #iamgettingold
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• 861[04:32:55] <jmcnaught> okee: what did the mysql status command tell you?
• 862[04:33:45] <okee> jmcnaught> There is no prompt. There is just an ok printed at the bottom of the status message, but no button for selecting the ok, and moving on. I think the problem is xterm is trying to connect to mysql. Mysql is probably not running.
• 863[04:34:19] <jmcnaught> okee: open another xterm, check the status of mysql
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• 865[04:34:56] <okee> jmcnaught> I get ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
• 866[04:35:17] <okee> jmcnaught> What about just rebooting and selecting the "no" option for upgrading phpbb?
• 867[04:35:32] <jmcnaught> okee: "systemctl restart mysql" ?
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• 869[04:35:52] <jmcnaught> okee: i think choosing abort is a better option
• 870[04:36:24] <jmcnaught> okee: rebooting in the middle of a release dist-upgrade is not recommended
• 871[04:36:39] <okee> jmcnaught> There is no abort, retry, etc. Except for the ok button at the bottom of the screen, there is nothing there.
• 872[04:37:13] <jmcnaught> okee: can you make a screeshot? not a paste, one with pixels
• 873[04:37:27] <okee> standby
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• 883[04:43:05] <okee> jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 888[04:43:41] <jmcnaught> okee: thanks :) use the <TAB> key to select the ok button
• 889[04:44:37] <okee> jmcnaught> Thanks, the repair is now continuing
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• 900[04:53:04] <okee> I am getting an error message that insserv is missing LSB tags and overrides. Is it ok to just remove insserv?
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• 904[04:54:05] <somiaj> okee: no. This is one of your init scripts doesn't have correct LSB headers, insserv is just the program complaining about it
• 905[04:54:43] <okee> somiaj> Hmmm, how do you fix it?
• 906[04:55:15] <somiaj> what init script is it? Most likely one from one of your third party repos, or custom
• 907[04:55:56] <okee> somiaj> insserv: warning: script 'smfpd' missing LSB tags and overrides
• 908[04:56:10] <okee> somiaj> Looks like it is smfpd
• 909[04:56:35] <somiaj> that is also jsut a warning, not an error
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• 1041[06:29:56] <bodi> hola
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• 1050[06:35:19] <MaBunny> has anyone played eternal lands on debian?
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• 1052[06:38:40] <LoveIsLove> Hi. Are there any builds of the latest Linux kernel for Debian such as this replaced-url
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• 1058[06:42:01] <ZachiusMaximus> programming
• 1059[06:42:26] <LoveIsLove> I've been forced to use Ubuntu since Debian (both Stable and Testing) does not operate properly with Intel Skylake.
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• 1061[06:42:43] <jmcnaught> LoveIsLove: the closed thing is probably the kernels in jessie-backports
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• 1064[06:43:22] <jmcnaught> LoveIsLove: or you can make your own kernel packages: replaced-url
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• 1076[06:47:05] <LoveIsLove> jmcnaught: thank you for the link, i'll try to read it.
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• 1080[06:48:11] <jmcnaught> LoveIsLove: there's also a newer xserver-xorg-video-intel in jessie-backports that might have improved skylake support
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• 1093[06:52:53] <LoveIsLove> jmcnaught: ok thanks for the information
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• 1122[07:25:19] <JeanLouis> I have just got spam from: muffat.debian.org
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• 1125[07:26:08] <JeanLouis> that server is maybe compromised
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• 1129[07:30:16] <jaggzt> so where are these "experimental"'s coming from in apt-cache policy? I don't have any in my sources...
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• 1131[07:30:44] <jaggzt> I do have some files here: /var/lib/apt/lists/*exp*
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• 1134[07:32:07] <themill> JeanLouis: welcome to public mailing lists.
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• 1137[07:33:17] <jaggzt> I have a LOT of entries in those experimental*_Packages files.. I don't even know what these apt/lists/ files are though
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• 1139[07:33:36] <themill> !show sources.list jaggzt
• 1140[07:33:36] <dpkg> jaggzt: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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• 1143[07:34:15] <jaggzt> okee
• 1144[07:35:18] <jaggzt> replaced-url
• 1145[07:35:36] <jaggzt> (I have tor installed to do work from home without clients seeing my home ip)
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• 1147[07:35:52] <themill> you have experimental in there...
• 1148[07:36:02] <themill> plus a lot of other scary crap
• 1149[07:36:32] <jaggzt> I wanted to remove those.. and see their packages
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• 1152[07:36:46] <jaggzt> (I wanted to review what I had installed from those repositories, since I forgot)
• 1153[07:37:05] <themill> !which repo
• 1154[07:37:05] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
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• 1156[07:38:07] <jaggzt> wouldn't I have a file in apt/lists/*waterloo* if I had anything installed from mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca ?
• 1157[07:38:33] <jaggzt> (I mean, a file matching that pattern)
• 1158[07:38:37] <themill> being installed is not relevant; running apt-get update is
• 1159[07:40:24] <jaggzt> the palfrader.org url is a full url?
• 1160[07:40:38] <jaggzt> down to the f=...listrepository ?
• 1161[07:40:55] <jaggzt> (it redirects)
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• 1163[07:42:01] <jaggzt> I just used the dpkg awk apt-cache line
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• 1166[07:43:24] <jaggzt> okay.. removed a couple of those repos.. the waterloo is some multimedia stuff I hope I can trust :/
• 1167[07:43:58] <jaggzt> thanks themill.. let's see how this goes
• 1168[07:44:41] <jaggzt> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1172[07:46:29] <jaggzt> ah.. in sources..d/*
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• 1179[07:49:49] <jaggzt> ahh.. nice and clean without that experimental in there.. bleh..
• 1180[07:49:51] <jaggzt> thanks a lot themill
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• 1184[07:51:50] <themill> np
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• 1274[08:30:09] <pragomer_1> hi. I have no sound under debian 8.3 kde. could you help me?
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• 1302[08:39:17] <sephii> hey there, I just upgraded my testing install and the AltGr key doesn't work anymore. I'm using dvorak so I can usually press AltGr + a key to get accents but it doesn't work anymore. Any clue on how to debug this?
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• 1388[09:16:33] <pragomer_1> hi. when I try "aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Cant-Connect.ogg "
• 1389[09:16:50] <pragomer_1> I get "Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Keine Berechtigung"
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• 1417[09:28:05] <themill> pragomer_1: does /run/user/1000/ exist? What user owns it and what are its permissions?
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• 1428[09:39:25] <Iridos> themill, you should have waited another hour, to see how the precision on the errors occuring would have improved :)
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• 1432[09:43:01] <Ra_D> hi
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• 1434[09:44:20] <Ra_D> just a question. I'm exporting some env variables in my .bashrc (export MYVAR=111231). My question is, If I run a script from a cron job, does the script have access to that var ?
• 1435[09:44:33] <Joost> it appears jessie-backports now has the firefox package back in place.. will the same be happening for thunderbird?
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• 1466[09:59:04] <Iridos> Ra_...
• 1467[09:59:06] <Iridos> !next
• 1468[09:59:06] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1475[10:00:52] <fourwalls> Hello - I'm trying to get the latest packages from squeeze-lts (I know support has ended), but I get the error "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1478[10:01:12] <fourwalls> Does anyone know what could be the problem?
• 1479[10:01:12] <themill> fourwalls: squeeze-lts no longer exists
• 1480[10:01:20] <Iridos> sephii, first xev to check what x events are created, then look with xmodmap -pk what it's supposed to do
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• 1482[10:01:54] <sephii> Iridos: yeah xev returns Alt_R for AltGr, I think that's correct
• 1483[10:02:10] <fourwalls> Oh.. I just thought packages were frozen - Theres no way for me to upgrade the packages to the latest?
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• 1485[10:02:25] <themill> fourwalls: "latest" meaning what?
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• 1487[10:02:56] <fourwalls> The latest security updates up untill support ended for squeeze-lts
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• 1489[10:03:09] <fourwalls> (mainly glibc)
• 1490[10:03:11] <Iridos> sephii, mine returns ISO_Level3_Shift
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• 1493[10:04:16] <jelly-home> fourwalls: the repo has been archived,
• 1494[10:04:21] <jelly-home> !squeeze sources.list
• 1495[10:04:21] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1496[10:04:21] <Iridos> sephii, I think Alt_R is what US-keyboards with two Alt-Keys would return... apparently not the same
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• 1498[10:05:11] <fourwalls> Ah okay, thanks I'll try that - Thank you both for your time
• 1499[10:05:18] <Iridos> sephii, there's a fascinating wikipedia article on it... replaced-url
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• 1501[10:05:37] <themill> fourwalls: you're well beyond the time period to upgrade to wheezy.... that was 2 years ago, really.
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• 1506[10:06:13] <fourwalls> I know, I know.. Its not my server, I'm just being tasked to upgrade glibc
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• 1511[10:06:52] <themill> shuffling the deck chairs
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• 1515[10:07:54] <Iridos> well, there seems little point to an lts if you cannot use it till the end and then notice you still need so use something for longer
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• 1520[10:08:31] <sephii> Iridos: ah the key is working if I "setxkbmap -layout ch -variant fr"... so I guess this is a problem with the layout I'm using :/
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• 1680[11:20:36] <jim> hi... I installed a coupla packages which are iceweasel/firefox plugins, and they're not acting like they're installed... can someone give me a quick hand in finding out why? maybe the iceweasel I have is not the one that goes with the package? it's two plugin packages, they are: xul-ext-noscript, and xul-ext-cookie-monster
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• 1686[11:23:37] <judd> Package: xul-ext-noscript on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.9.9.69-1; wheezy-backports: 2.6.8.4-1~bpo70+1; wheezy: 2.6.8.19-1~deb7u2; jessie: 2.6.9.3-1; sid: 2.9.0.4-1; stretch: 2.9.0.4-1
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• 1688[11:23:58] <jelly-home> ouch, the version in jessie is horribly outdated
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• 1690[11:24:56] <jim> should I try to backport the stretch one?
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• 1694[11:25:35] <thepoint> Hello! It's been a while since I installed Debian. How do I configure the main menu in Mate these days? I cannot find the "Main Menu" entry in the main menu. That was how I configured it in the past.
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• 1697[11:26:48] <tulphoon> thepoint, go ask on #Mate
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• 1703[11:27:25] <thepoint> tulphoon: ok
• 1704[11:28:07] <MaBunny> where is my pictures saved when i type the print screen button?
• 1705[11:28:25] <tulphoon> depends on the DM you are using
• 1706[11:28:33] <tulphoon> it can vary :)
• 1707[11:28:49] <MaBunny> i am having a wierd condition on my computer,all the programs turn on to give a black screen
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• 1710[11:29:15] <tulphoon> when you turn on any program, the screen turns black for a moment and goes back to normal after a while?
• 1711[11:29:18] <tulphoon> is that what you mean?
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• 1713[11:30:01] <MaBunny> no, when i turn on nautilas or gedit,it shows the screen as black on the portion of the program-occupied-screen
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• 1719[11:30:33] <MaBunny> its not today ,it happened a few times to me
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• 1722[11:31:03] <tulphoon> well, i don't know then
• 1723[11:31:13] <tulphoon> for the screenshots, try to search for
• 1724[11:31:18] <tulphoon> ~/Pictures
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• 1728[11:32:27] <MaBunny> im taking pictures now
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• 1731[11:32:47] <MaBunny> where will i post it for you guys to see?
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• 1734[11:33:14] <tulphoon> idk, imgur maybe
• 1735[11:33:18] <tulphoon> or teknik.io
• 1736[11:34:01] <MaBunny> i cant even cd to the Pictures folder or open in Nautilus
• 1737[11:34:20] <MaBunny> ill hav to restart my computer
• 1738[11:34:29] <MaBunny> ill be back in 5 mins
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• 1751[11:38:54] <MaBunny> ok im back
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• 1762[11:45:31] <MaBunny> is there a site to upload those images?
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• 1767[11:50:06] <MaBunny> Here are two images i took: replaced-url
• 1768[11:50:19] <MaBunny> and this: replaced-url
• 1769[11:51:36] <al3xprey> this happens when you try to open iceweasel right?
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• 1771[11:52:26] <MaBunny> no,previously it happened when i had my computer open for like 30-60 mins and all of a sudden it happened like this
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• 1773[11:53:15] <MaBunny> it happened whenever my computer was overworked,like just before it was 600 mb ram consumed out of 2gb
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• 1775[11:54:28] <MaBunny> i remember i was playing openttd and was doing some work in codeblocks and also had nautilus opened,and when i tried to shut nautilus,it hanged up for some time and showed these black images
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• 1777[11:57:17] <utrack_> Hey guys, is there any real way Debian live runner can retrieve DHCP response but won't be able to ping the gateway?
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• 1781[11:58:15] <utrack_> Two Ethernet controllers: Intel 82579LM rev05 and 82579L, tried both... tried plugging in win box using the same cable\router port - works just fine
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• 1784[11:59:03] <al3xprey> MaBunny are you running any desktop effects/compiz shit
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• 1786[11:59:56] <MaBunny> no effects,besides some setting changes,like a wallpaper and show files on desktop stuff
• 1787[12:00:52] <al3xprey> so if you try to open an image now, does it come up with a black screen?
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• 1791[12:01:21] <MaBunny> no now it works fine bcoz i had to restart my computer
• 1792[12:01:48] <MaBunny> i hav hexchat and evince on and it all works fine
• 1793[12:01:54] <al3xprey> something you could try is
• 1794[12:01:58] <al3xprey> next time this happens
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• 1796[12:02:01] <al3xprey> open nautilus via a terminal
• 1797[12:02:07] <MaBunny> ok
• 1798[12:02:11] <al3xprey> open an image
• 1799[12:02:19] <al3xprey> see the output in the terminal when you try to open the image
• 1800[12:02:22] <al3xprey> might come up with something
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• 1802[12:02:28] <al3xprey> useful
• 1803[12:02:34] <MaBunny> or any application on terminal?
• 1804[12:02:36] <al3xprey> that's just a thought
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• 1807[12:02:50] <al3xprey> yea if that happens with any application then yea
• 1808[12:03:14] <MaBunny> but thisblack screen thing happened to the terminal too
• 1809[12:03:24] <al3xprey> damn
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• 1811[12:03:32] <MaBunny> *this black screen
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• 1814[12:04:07] <al3xprey> $HOME/.xsession-errors you could check that out
• 1815[12:04:08] <MaBunny> maybe the gnome shell got overworked :?
• 1816[12:04:13] <MaBunny> ok
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• 1833[12:09:23] <MaBunny> is it in my root directory? i couldnt find it by "cd $HOME/.xsession-errors" . Srry im quite stupid on linux :)
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• 1837[12:10:45] <MaBunny> al3xprey: you there pal?
• 1838[12:10:58] <al3xprey> yea
• 1839[12:11:12] <al3xprey> it's in your user's home directory
• 1840[12:11:12] <MaBunny> where do i find tht file?
• 1841[12:11:15] <al3xprey> not root
• 1842[12:11:28] <al3xprey> unlesss you login as root in gnome
• 1843[12:11:35] <MaBunny> ok
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• 1846[12:12:39] <MaBunny> its not in any folder is it?im on show hidden mode in nautilus
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• 1848[12:12:50] <al3xprey> no
• 1849[12:12:59] <MaBunny> i cant seem to find it
• 1850[12:12:59] <al3xprey> you might wanna also take a look at
• 1851[12:13:09] <al3xprey> /var/log/X
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• 1853[12:13:27] <al3xprey> all the debians i am running at the moment have no GUI
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• 1855[12:13:34] <MaBunny> ok
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• 1870[12:18:48] <MaBunny> no .xsession-errors here too
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• 1875[12:20:16] <tulphoon> Mabunny, are you using nautilus to find those files?
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• 1877[12:20:26] <MaBunny> yes
• 1878[12:20:32] <tulphoon> Okay, launch up a terminal.
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• 1880[12:20:48] <MaBunny> wait,ill open it in terminal
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• 1882[12:20:53] <tulphoon> If you are using Linux for no so long, you may not know, that most of the work done in Linux should be done in terminal.
• 1883[12:21:04] <wpostma> Is there any Debian tool script that will fetch a package's sources AND fetch all dependencies AND build in a single command? apt-get source + mk-build-deps + debuild -uc -us, and maybe some error checking?
• 1884[12:21:06] <tulphoon> Only launch up a terminal.
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• 1887[12:21:18] <MaBunny> im new to linux guys,srry
• 1888[12:21:31] <tulphoon> no problem, everyone had to start someday
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• 1890[12:21:45] <tulphoon> just open up a terminal, and let me know here when you are ready
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• 1892[12:22:11] <MaBunny> ok i hav done " cd /var/log/"
• 1893[12:22:21] <tulphoon> do
• 1894[12:22:28] <tulphoon> "cd"
• 1895[12:22:31] <tulphoon> then do
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• 1897[12:22:44] <tulphoon> "cat .xsession-errors"
• 1898[12:22:44] <MaBunny> i also tied this " find .xsessions-error" but it gave me a negative
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• 1902[12:22:52] <MaBunny> ok
• 1903[12:23:09] <tulphoon> try to copy the output and paste it on site like paste.debian.org
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• 1906[12:23:15] <tulphoon> and then give me the link to the paste
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• 1909[12:24:30] <MaBunny> no,it says "cat .xsession-errors: No such file or directory"
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• 1914[12:24:44] <tulphoon> do "ls -la"
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• 1917[12:25:06] <tulphoon> okay wait
• 1918[12:25:19] <MaBunny> ok it shows a long list
• 1919[12:25:34] <tulphoon> you should have a new tab open in HexChat
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• 1921[12:25:45] <MaBunny> ok
• 1922[12:25:50] <tulphoon> we will talk there
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• 1941[12:33:22] <suexec> At the moment this virtual server I have seems to be running with a 24 bit depth on the display. I need to change this to 32bit, remotely. I am running xfce. Which file would have this info in it ?
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• 1959[12:42:50] <rgr> thats some display.
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• 1964[12:44:10] <pragomer_1> How can I use truecrypt in debian withou root-rights? In *buntu I could add this to "visudo":
• 1965[12:44:12] <pragomer_1> %truecrypt ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/truecrypt
• 1966[12:44:25] <pragomer_1> but this does not work under debian as here is no sudo concept. how can I fix that?
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• 1970[12:46:46] <rgr> what do you mean there is no sudo concept?
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• 1972[12:47:49] <buu> He quit
• 1973[12:47:57] <buu> Massive 60 second wait time
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• 1976[12:49:02] <rgr> I see googling that sudo is not installed by default. Thats strange. Mind you my system has been in there for years now. Maybe I installed it. Cant remember doing do.
• 1977[12:49:04] <rgr> so
• 1978[12:49:54] <buu> It's not in the base/netinstall image
• 1979[12:50:11] <buu> I generally install it as about the second package
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• 2007[13:05:31] <buu> I just do buu: ALL ALL ALL: ALL ALL() or whatever the syntax is
• 2008[13:05:37] <buu> Because I don't actually understand sudo
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• 2013[13:09:04] <tjcarter> The secret to sudo is that the password isn't all that much of a security mechanism. :)
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• 2017[13:10:29] <no_gravity> Hello! One of my Debian 8 machines often does not reboot after I type "reboot" and I have to power off/on. How would you guys analyze what the problem is?
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• 2020[13:10:31] <tjcarter> it's maybe there to keep someone from getting you to run a command with sudo without realizing it, but it's no true barrier.
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• 2022[13:11:50] <tjcarter> no_gravity: How modern? I haven't seen that since the days of the Pentium/Pentium II.
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• 2024[13:12:33] <no_gravity> tjcarter: Hard to say. It's a VM in a datacenter.
• 2025[13:12:35] <no_gravity> The machine goes into a state where it does not accept ssh connections and then hangs. Or maybe it partly reboots. I don't know.
• 2026[13:12:53] <tjcarter> If it's new enough to be a VM that answers that.
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• 2030[13:15:26] <tjcarter> Probably not much I can offer to help in that case.
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• 2034[13:17:26] <no_gravity> ok
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• 2036[13:19:45] <Walakea> which program should i use to make a bootable usb?
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• 2045[13:20:30] <themill> Walakea: make from what? What are you trying to achieve?
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• 2047[13:21:00] <Walakea> from normal usb
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• 2050[13:21:49] <themill> I've got a freedos image here you can use...
• 2051[13:22:31] <Walakea> i believe there is a process to do that
• 2052[13:22:48] <Walakea> other than just put an ISO on USB
• 2053[13:22:50] <themill> What do you want to boot?
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• 2056[13:23:30] <no_gravity> Walakea: just use cp
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• 2058[13:23:44] <Walakea> G/L OS
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• 2060[13:24:25] <Walakea> and maybe sometime i would like to have multiple OSes on that i believe i need to create more partitions for that
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• 2093[13:36:13] <streulma> When I netinstall Debian, then my webcam does not work in VLC. When I install from Live with non-free included, the webcam works. What is going wrong?
• 2094[13:36:59] <rozie> codec, probably
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• 2097[13:38:50] <teraflops> Vlc? Codecs?
• 2098[13:38:54] <Iridos> "doesn't work" is a bit vague
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• 2103[13:39:53] <Iridos> anyway, I don't believe that anything in vlc doesn't work
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• 2105[13:40:00] <Iridos> it's the Weatherwax edition
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• 2109[13:40:44] <teraflops> That's arguable but i dont think it's codec related
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• 2112[13:41:24] <Iridos> at least... I wouldn't recommend to anyone telling Mrs Weatherwax that they deem her services insufficient
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• 2116[13:42:48] <streulma> [VS] error (vdpVideoSurfacePutBitsYCbCr_glsl): not implemented source YCbCr format 'VDP_YCBCR_FORMAT_YUYV'
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• 2131[13:49:38] <Iridos> well, my camera works
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• 2136[13:52:25] <teraflops> streulma: you know you can search errors in the internet? What laptop model/camera device is that? If it requires fw then there you go
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• 2140[13:54:04] <Iridos> fw?
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• 2142[13:54:25] <teraflops> Firmware
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• 2144[13:55:46] <Iridos> and you know I just searched for his error and the search results seem only moderately useful?
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• 2146[13:56:30] <teraflops> Moderately useful is better than useless
• 2147[13:56:49] <Iridos> ah, you seem to refer to replaced-url
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• 2152[13:58:10] <teraflops> Who knows...
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• 2154[13:58:18] <Iridos> well, you, obviously
• 2155[13:58:24] <teraflops> Heh
• 2156[13:58:29] <Iridos> and if there's a god, then probably her
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• 2158[13:59:23] <Iridos> judd, versions libvdpau1
• 2159[13:59:24] <judd> Package: libvdpau1 on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.1-2; squeeze-security-lts: 0.4.1-2+deb6u1; wheezy: 0.4.1-7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.4.1-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.4.1-7+deb7u1; jessie: 0.8-3+deb8u2; jessie-security: 0.8-3+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 1.1.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.1-3; sid: 1.1.1-3
• 2160[13:59:26] <teraflops> Echo $DEITY returns abraxas here :p
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• 2164[14:00:03] <TomTomTosch> returns blank for me.
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• 2168[14:02:05] <Iridos> streulma, whave version of debian is that and what version of debian-live?
• 2169[14:02:33] <streulma> jessie
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• 2171[14:02:51] <streulma> on testing non-free and sid with non-free iso it works also
• 2172[14:02:52] <JyZyXEL> Mar 15 14:24:14 ha sshd[24171]: Received disconnect from 31.184.195.114: 11: Normal Shutdown, Thank you for playing
• 2173[14:02:54] <JyZyXEL> Mar 15 15:00:54 ha sshd[24601]: Received disconnect from 117.34.70.143: 11: Bye Bye
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• 2175[14:03:03] <JyZyXEL> haha, who added these funny remarks in the log files :P
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• 2179[14:03:38] <teraflops> streulma: mind sharing what gpu and driverw are you using there, also the webcam model?
• 2180[14:03:55] <Iridos> I've drawn a blank, too. Now you made me wonder if I should set $DEITY .... and if that would give me a nice warm feeling of security
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• 2182[14:04:14] <Iridos> streulma, and debian-live was for stretch?
• 2183[14:04:25] <streulma> jessie
• 2184[14:04:29] <themill> streulma: I'd take a guess that the jessie vs stretch difference is more likely to make a difference than the inclusion of non-free.
• 2185[14:04:52] <TomTomTosch> the backports kernel then? :3
• 2186[14:05:05] <streulma> on testing and sid it works also
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• 2188[14:05:20] <streulma> If I do netinstall for testing for example it does not work...
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• 2191[14:05:57] <themill> the package selection is going to be different though
• 2192[14:06:00] <Iridos> it's complaining about 'VDP_YCBCR_FORMAT_YUYV' not being implemented. That should be libvdpau1 and have nothing to do with the kernel. Firmware could possibly translate to other formats... so
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• 2195[14:06:43] <Iridos> streulma, you seem to have installed a lot of different things in search of the error... I suggest a slightly more systematic approach
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• 2201[14:07:07] <streulma> :-)
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• 2207[14:07:45] <Iridos> like... strace vlc or whatever on a system on which it works and one where it doesnt, look at one million lines of output in each case and try to find the difference that matters
• 2208[14:07:59] <streulma> test debian live on jessie without the non-free plugins ?
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• 2212[14:08:21] <Iridos> as this seems to be connected with something that is installed or not installed, a mere strace -e open would probably do
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• 2218[14:09:58] <mika--1> is there a automatic updater in debian ?
• 2219[14:10:26] <pkv> cron? :o)
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• 2221[14:10:57] <mika--1> ok that is a idea.. but not one that a normal user can use..
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• 2223[14:11:28] <mika--1> mmy mother wil never update via apt-get
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• 2225[14:12:35] <teraflops> streulma: you don't answer my question because that information is a secret or because you don't know how to retrieve the information?
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• 2230[14:13:51] <streulma> teraflops what do you want to know from hwinfo ?
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• 2235[14:14:36] <Brigo> mika--1, replaced-url
• 2236[14:14:49] <streulma> Intel Crystal Well integrated graphics (Iris Pro 4400)
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• 2238[14:15:01] <streulma> Webcam Chicony UVC Video
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• 2241[14:16:18] <mika--1> thx Brigo
• 2242[14:16:23] <mika--1> that was what i want
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• 2246[14:17:32] <JyZyXEL> in addition to UnattendedUpgrades, i like to use logcheck and needrestart also
• 2247[14:17:52] <defanor> hello. there's a server with debian jessie, and one more debian wheezy, which is connected to the first one, but not connected to the internet. now, i want to update that second one in a hour or so; what's the fastest way to do that?
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• 2250[14:18:32] <Iridos> streulma, or if strace is too much... as debian-live and debian should apparently have the same versions of everything... ldd /usr/bin/vlc might provide a clue...
• 2251[14:18:46] <defanor> that is, i guess i'll need to install some proxy on the first one, or can it simply be done with port forwarding?
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• 2261[14:21:39] <defanor> an alternative question: could you suggest some quick-to-set http proxy from debian jessie repositories?
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• 2265[14:22:27] <teraflops> streulma: if kernel are the same in both systems I'd suggest to do rmmod and then a modprove of uvc module and see what's going on in the debian live.
• 2266[14:23:18] <themill> defanor: you could do it with some port forwarding or with a simple caching proxy like apt-cacher-ng
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• 2268[14:24:13] <Iridos> mika--1, I usually prefer to have a look at what I update... even in stable, and even if that means updates are less timely
• 2269[14:24:38] <streulma> Iridos thanks for helping out, I should install the live iso with non-free included
• 2270[14:24:59] <defanor> themill: any quick apt-cacher-ng tutorial around? looking it up now, just a bit in a panic mode now
• 2271[14:25:21] <Iridos> probably no need to install it, you can just boot the live, save strace, ldd etc output and compare to your regular install
• 2272[14:25:37] <defanor> or a list of things to forward, perhaps?
• 2273[14:25:40] <mika--1> Iridos: but my mom dont use that... so it is nice to do it automatic so she stay secure
• 2274[14:25:57] <markybob> defanor: look into replaced-url
• 2275[14:26:04] <streulma> or synaptic save packages and install in Debian? Iridos
• 2276[14:26:10] <defanor> hrm, right, i guess i can simply get those repos from sources.list, write them into hosts, and forward from a neighbouring server
• 2277[14:26:11] <Iridos> mika--1, you can do it... either whenever you are there (it's good to visit your mum!!) or remotely
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• 2279[14:26:18] <defanor> markybob: will check now, thanks
• 2280[14:26:40] <mika--1> Iridos: yes but then i must check it very week
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• 2284[14:27:07] <Iridos> streulma, there's a factoid for that... /msg dpkg debian clone ... but if you install all of them, that probably won't tell you what was missing
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• 2288[14:28:59] <Iridos> mika--1, most home computers are behind a nat... and for outgoing connections biggest attack surface is the browser... which is a very limited surface if you only surf to a set of not-too-fishy websites (and maybe have an adblocker that prevents fishy content on non-fishy sites)
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• 2290[14:30:00] <themill> defanor: a simple iptables based solution to NAT the box out to the world for the afternoon would be easier than anything else. I've never taken a shine to apt-zip.
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• 2292[14:30:33] <markybob> or just unplug one and plug in the other :P
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• 2294[14:30:43] <mika--1> Iridos: ok so no need to automatic .. i can do it ones in a month
• 2295[14:31:03] <mika--1> i wil let her use firefox that wil update from it self
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• 2297[14:31:19] <Iridos> mika--1, both are possible... I just wonder ... upgrades to stable very rarely brake things, but it has happened
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• 2314[14:37:23] <defanor> themill: thanks, though i'm not good with iptables. if there's a script that won't brick the server somewhere around, it'd be appreciated
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• 2316[14:37:48] <moldy> hi
• 2317[14:37:49] <defanor> i've set ssh port forwarding for now, though not certain if it'll work
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• 2319[14:37:57] <defanor> (that is, whether it's enough)
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• 2322[14:38:53] <moldy> replaced-url
• 2323[14:39:16] <markybob> defanor: replaced-url
• 2324[14:39:43] <moldy> it's not in .bashrc, and in /etc, it only occurs in locale.gen
• 2325[14:39:46] <defanor> markybob: thanks
• 2326[14:40:15] <moldy> oh maybe it's coming from ssh...
• 2327[14:40:18] <themill> moldy: context?
• 2328[14:40:29] <themill> yes, those settings propagate over ssh
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• 2330[14:40:41] <moldy> themill: i get the pasted message whenever a perl program executes
• 2331[14:41:43] <moldy> themill: alright, thanks :)
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• 2336[14:44:49] <relipse> I'm having trouble installing php 5 on my new debian 8.1 box
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• 2338[14:44:59] <relipse> keeps telling me i have unmet dependencies
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• 2340[14:45:09] <dionysus69> what solution should I use to setup imap server from scratch?
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• 2342[14:45:32] <dionysus69> can you recommend any tutorial or any bundle or anything I need to know in advance?
• 2343[14:46:05] <themill> dpkg: tell relipse about bat
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• 2346[14:47:22] <Sir_Designer> replaced-url
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• 2351[14:49:28] <dionysus69> will read that thanks Sir_Designer
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• 2353[14:49:54] <Sir_Designer> np
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• 2356[14:50:13] <dionysus69> also I noticed nginx had a mail block, how does that fit in equation?
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• 2370[14:56:02] <nkuttler> dionysus69: nginx is a web/mail proxy
• 2371[14:56:05] <Online_> dionysus69: NginX can act as a proxy between your mail server and mail client if you want.
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• 2374[14:57:09] <dionysus69> what does that mean could you explain? what is a mail proxy for why would I use it? so dovecot would still be neccessary and nginx would just make it "better (in what way)"?
• 2375[14:57:46] <Iridos> what does "nginx had a mail block" mean?
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• 2379[14:58:23] <relipse> replaced-url
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• 2381[14:58:33] <nkuttler> dionysus69: i've never needed a mail proxy, but it should be the same as for web.. distribute load, quick routing reconfiguration etc
• 2382[14:58:37] <dionysus69> nginx conf file has blocks right? in the end it had mail configuration block
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• 2384[14:59:24] <markybob> relipse: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
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• 2386[14:59:53] <Iridos> relipse, it looks like you're missing the main repo
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• 2388[15:00:25] <Brigo> v php5
• 2389[15:00:30] <Brigo> ,v php5
• 2390[15:00:32] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze29; wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; jessie-security: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.16+dfsg-2; jessie: 5.6.17+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.17+dfsg-3; sid: 5.6.19+dfsg-2
• 2391[15:00:50] <Brigo> the current jessie version is 5.6.17+dfsg-0+deb8u1, no 5.6.9
• 2392[15:01:01] <markybob> relipse: show us your sources.list
• 2393[15:01:44] <nkuttler> sounds like when jessie was testing..
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• 2396[15:02:28] <Iridos> relipse, that is.. show us the content of /etc/apt/sources.list .... and/or a plain apt-cache policy
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• 2398[15:03:09] <themill> relipse: it appears you don't have a mirror in your sources.list
• 2399[15:03:26] <Iridos> I said that!
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• 2401[15:03:41] <themill> Funny echo in here
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• 2403[15:03:52] <Iridos> yeh
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• 2408[15:05:15] <relipse> ok one sec
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• 2410[15:05:25] <Iridos> seems moreutils and parallel now conflict in stable
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• 2413[15:06:07] <relipse> replaced-url
• 2414[15:06:11] <relipse> that is my sources.list
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• 2416[15:06:29] <relipse> what should it be?
• 2417[15:06:41] <nkuttler> !tell relipse about jessie sources.list
• 2418[15:06:43] <relipse> and should I upgrade to latest
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• 2421[15:07:18] <nkuttler> relipse: well.. what's the output of apt-cache policy libc6 ?
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• 2424[15:08:51] <Iridos> relipse, that actually looks ok in principle. So I think there must be a problem with your mirrors.linode.com mirror... possibly a temporary one. Run apt-get update and see if that gives any errors... if not, see if your problem has disappeared
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• 2427[15:10:06] <relipse> i already used the new sources given by dpkg
• 2428[15:10:11] <relipse> and now i amm running apt update
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• 2453[15:23:04] <relipse> i just did apt upgrade and now its upgrading is that ok?
• 2454[15:23:06] <relipse> sorry i'm newbie
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• 2458[15:24:29] <relipse> how do i install mysql? I tried apt-get install mysql and it doesnt exist
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• 2460[15:24:44] <buu> relipse: apt-cache search mysql
• 2461[15:24:44] <pkv> mysq-server
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• 2464[15:24:51] <pkv> mysql-server
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• 2476[15:28:19] <SHAPNU> hi
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• 2478[15:28:39] <SHAPNU> on bootup, volume is mute in MATE
• 2479[15:28:56] <SHAPNU> sounds works though. what is the fix? testing produces no sound
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• 2483[15:30:11] <relipse> i have 2 debian boxes one squeeze one jessie, how do I transfer my files from squeeze to jessie? (i'm thinking rsync?)
• 2484[15:30:33] <markybob> relipse: yes that's a good choice
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• 2486[15:30:52] <relipse> do I need to set up an ssh key and stuf?
• 2487[15:30:53] <mtn> SHAPNU: you may be missing alsa-tools or alsa-utils, can't remember which one controls remembering the volume level
• 2488[15:31:26] <markybob> relipse: no. not unless you don't want to enter a password when you connect.
• 2489[15:31:28] <SHAPNU> i did core MATE install, then pieces including pulse-media
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• 2491[15:31:48] <SHAPNU> alsa tool are missing, yes, no alsamixer, but is this really needed? want to keep it clean
• 2492[15:31:55] <relipse> markybob: instead of rsync, is it possible to just set up a symlink to the toher machine?
• 2493[15:32:09] <markybob> relipse: sure. sshfs
• 2494[15:32:12] <SHAPNU> i normally would to alsactl restore once on bare system
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• 2497[15:32:15] <SHAPNU> do
• 2498[15:32:41] <SHAPNU> they say you dont need alsa tools with pulseaudio
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• 2501[15:33:29] <SHAPNU> do you hae to be added to group pulse
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• 2504[15:33:35] <SHAPNU> "pulse"?
• 2505[15:33:35] <mtn> SHAPNU: pulseaudio runs on top of alsa, so.....
• 2506[15:33:48] <SHAPNU> yes but it controls independent
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• 2509[15:34:10] <mtn> SHAPNU: try installing alsa-tools. see if it works. it has for me in the past. shrug.
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• 2514[15:35:26] <SHAPNU> installs alsatools
• 2515[15:35:45] <SHAPNU> alsactl restore should fix it
• 2516[15:35:58] <SHAPNU> EFI is worst thing to get working in linux
• 2517[15:36:17] <SHAPNU> getting it to boot properly on bad EFI systems
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• 2519[15:36:27] <SHAPNU> BIOS was so much better
• 2520[15:37:09] <mtn> SHAPNU: no option for legacy boot?
• 2521[15:37:11] <SHAPNU> now have to reinstall grub in live cd after install and do bunch of commands in rescue mode to boot bootx64.efi in right place
• 2522[15:37:19] <SHAPNU> not for HP
• 2523[15:37:24] <SHAPNU> but i would not do legacy anyway
• 2524[15:37:34] <SHAPNU> should work properly
• 2525[15:37:46] <markybob> SHAPNU: you installed via live cd in the first place?
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• 2527[15:37:55] <SHAPNU> anyway, i am happy now that windows 10 is off and debian boots well
• 2528[15:38:16] <SHAPNU> markybob: no, because live cd doesnt install on EFI. you need non-live debian cd
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• 2530[15:38:33] <SHAPNU> but even non-live cd that nistalled bootloader actually didnt
• 2531[15:39:05] <SHAPNU> so i had to use ubuntu live usb to boot up and reinstall grub, then symlink grub files to root of EFI partition
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• 2535[15:39:40] <SHAPNU> so convoluted with the EFI on some systems
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• 2541[15:41:44] <maddawg> hey all, not sure if someone here can tell me.... i have a vm of debian 8 that i created on vmware workstation 12 and i want to move it to a hyper-v 2012 server... is there anything i need to be aware of when moving it?
• 2542[15:41:47] <SHAPNU> also, do you know how to dd entire disk to image file, to do system image and then later restore from live usb?
• 2543[15:41:58] <SHAPNU> this is GPT
• 2544[15:42:03] <maddawg> someone here said i would have to do something to make debian work in hyper-v but i wasnt sure what
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• 2550[15:43:44] <marus> it's critical to about a full Format?
• 2551[15:43:51] <marus> to abort?
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• 2560[15:45:45] <Brigo> marus, yes
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• 2562[15:46:02] <marus> sudo mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdb1, i have run this command and want now only sudo mkfs.ntfs -f /dev/sdb1
• 2563[15:46:07] <Brigo> marus, anyway you were deleting all the data.
• 2564[15:46:10] <marus> Brigo: so just let
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• 2566[15:46:33] <marus> Brigo: i want to delete all data, but not at that time
• 2567[15:46:52] <marus> so it's better to wait then to abort?
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• 2570[15:47:15] <Brigo> marus, providing you started formating, the data is already lost.
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• 2572[15:47:32] <Brigo> marus, you can stop the formating and start it again, if you want.
• 2573[15:48:11] <marus> Brigo: if i stop the formating, that will not damage the hard drive?
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• 2575[15:48:34] <Brigo> marus, not at all.
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• 2578[15:49:05] <Brigo> marus, you are just writing to the disk, no big difference with normal use.
• 2579[15:49:25] <marus> Brigo: ok thanks a lot, it works well
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• 2582[15:49:49] <marus> Brigo: yes writing zeros
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• 2584[15:50:08] <marus> without the -f flage it take a looog time
• 2585[15:50:14] <marus> so with -f just some second
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• 2589[15:50:47] <TheWarden> Hello
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• 2591[15:50:52] <TheWarden> I'm trying to use "tar -pzcf /usr/local/backups/daily/20160315.tar.gz -T /usr/local/etc/systembackup-daily.txt" however I keep getting file changed as we read it and returning an exit code of 1. I've searched for a few hours online but have yet to find a solution.
• 2592[15:50:56] <TheWarden> It appears --ignore-failed-read or --warning=file-changed could but thus far I've not been able to figure out how to handle the exit code status.
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• 2595[15:51:40] <TheWarden> I run "tar -pzcf /usr/local/backups/daily/picard_20160315.tar.gz -T /usr/local/etc/systembackup-daily.txt | quit $erroMsg". Is there some better way to handle the exit code or to change the behavior?
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• 2606[15:55:19] <TheWarden> I want to be able to capture exit code status but in this case, I don't want it to return a failure of 1.
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• 2611[15:56:10] <gvvg> Hi - I am running a storage server called openmediavault based on debian - I did a dist-upgrade but it failed - the networking is no longer installed - is there a way to install ifup ifconfig ifdown etc by usb or some other way?
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• 2613[15:56:39] <Parrhesiastes> im trying to make a live usb, but get error : "dd: error writing ‘/dev/scd’: No space left on devic" ... im running: sudo dd if=/z/new_stuff/debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-standard.iso of=/dev/scd bs=4M
• 2614[15:57:13] <markybob> !openmediavault
• 2615[15:57:13] <dpkg> OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at replaced-url
• 2616[15:57:22] <markybob> gvvg: not supported here
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• 2618[15:58:12] <TheWarden> Am I going about this wrong, do I need to treat 0 and 1 exit status codes as successful?
• 2619[15:58:14] <gvvg> markybob: I understand just wondering which would be the proper .deb file and I can pull it from the repo and manually install it so I can have basic networking - any hints would be helpful
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• 2622[15:59:23] <markybob> gvvg: ifupdown. where to find that in their repos i have no idea
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• 2624[15:59:46] <gvvg> markybob: what are the standard debian packages that contain ipupdown?
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• 2626[16:00:19] <markybob> gvvg: just told you
• 2627[16:00:40] <gvvg> markybob: thank yo
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• 2630[16:02:18] <relipse> I am trying to transfer my files websites certificates over to a new debian 8 box, including my mysql data dir. What is the best way to go about doing this?
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• 2636[16:06:25] <Iridos> what do certificates have to do with mysql
• 2637[16:06:27] <markybob> relipse: mysqldump for that.
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• 2649[16:12:33] <Walakea> what is the point of pentalobe screws other than that noone has the screwdriver?
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• 2651[16:13:25] <Walakea> i guess it is a design innovation
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• 2654[16:14:03] <markybob> Walakea: they sell pentalobe screwdrivers on amazon. it's not hard to get. it's just supposed to be so people can't tamper. it's stupid.
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• 2657[16:14:28] <dagerik> is there a way for /usr/sbin/service to be silent
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• 2659[16:14:39] <dagerik> ie supressing stdout
• 2660[16:15:51] <Iridos> TheWarden, I guess I would just ignore exit status for that. If you cant to check how successful it was, do other checks... like check the size of the resulting tar-file or do tar -cvf xxx > file (if you do that daily, you could email a diff to yourself or something like that)
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• 2715[16:30:56] <Walakea> which live distribution would you recommend for data recovery? just in case i need
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• 2719[16:31:57] <marble_visions> Walakea: something forensic?
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• 2724[16:32:39] <marble_visions> "forensic"
• 2725[16:32:57] <ChrisH> Walakea: I had good success with grml
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• 2728[16:33:17] <jelly-home> +1 for grml
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• 2730[16:33:47] <Walakea> what does forensic mean?
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• 2732[16:34:23] <marble_visions> IMO a marketing term
• 2733[16:34:56] <marble_visions> like kali linux
• 2734[16:35:04] <Walakea> just in case something happens to my pc
• 2735[16:35:23] <Walakea> if i wont be able to boot or something
• 2736[16:35:24] <marble_visions> that doesn't touch anything on the system until you tell it to
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• 2739[16:35:53] <Walakea> i heard about Gparted live
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• 2749[16:38:25] <Walakea> or Knoppix
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• 2751[16:38:41] <Walakea> something i will have on an USB
• 2752[16:39:13] <marble_visions> i use clonezilla, and it's been good so far (no "low-level" recovery, just disk/partition backups).. i've heard good stuff about parted magic
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• 2755[16:40:19] <marble_visions> i think you need to figure out what tools you need and look for the distro that ships them
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• 2758[16:40:47] <Walakea> too bad i didnt do anything like this before
• 2759[16:40:47] <marble_visions> file system utils, crypto utils, etc
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• 2763[16:42:12] <Walakea> most probably i would need to be able to copy from HDD to external drive, partition HDD and thats about all
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• 2767[16:44:07] <marble_visions> probably any distro will do in that case
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• 2780[16:45:48] <Walakea> also i would like it to be optimized to use on USB
• 2781[16:46:02] <Walakea> so it doesnt write too many times
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• 2787[16:46:59] <marble_visions> some distros can run off RAM (if you've got the space for it). you can even unplug the live USB after the system has booted
• 2788[16:47:15] <marble_visions> => no writes
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• 2797[16:50:02] <Walakea> can knoppix do that?
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• 2800[16:50:22] <noid-> knoppix?!?!?
• 2801[16:50:25] <noid-> what year is it???
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• 2808[16:52:06] <marble_visions> fashions repeat
• 2809[16:52:07] <Iridos> noid-, are you acting as if things are bad because they weren't invented in the 2010s?
• 2810[16:52:23] <Iridos> it's good that debian was only invented yesterday, then :-/
• 2811[16:52:56] <Walakea> i want to have /home on different partition after i installed Debian (currently i have only one partition)
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• 2814[16:53:08] <noid-> Iridos: nah just joking... (insert jumanji meme here)
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• 2816[16:53:30] <noid-> Iridos: I just haven't seen knoppix in ages hehe that's why... that knoppix-std brings back wardriving memories x)
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• 2826[16:57:32] <Walakea> can i just create another partition and move /home there, will the system know that /home has been meved somewhere else?
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• 2828[16:58:09] <Iridos> Walakea, if you tell it that it's moved...
• 2829[16:58:20] <Iridos> /etc/fstab
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• 2834[16:59:22] <Walakea> my fstab does not mention /home
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• 2847[17:05:07] <jelly-home> Walakea: yes, you will have to add an entry for your new /home, there
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• 2850[17:05:49] <jelly-home> that's how the system is going to know
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• 2852[17:06:11] <Iridos> and then it knows \o/
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• 2871[17:13:29] <cbug> Hi, this is not debian related, but maybe someone of you knows the answer, - recently smartctl showed me
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• 2873[17:13:48] <cbug> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED!
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• 2875[17:14:13] <cbug> and that I should backup all data within 24hours, because the device will most likely fail.
• 2876[17:14:18] * metachr0n hands noid a fresh copy of SLS
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• 2878[17:14:40] <melt> <fglrx dkms>. This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), <----- does this mean that I can use Jessie, XFCE, and fglrx-driver in jessie?
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• 2881[17:15:17] <cbug> I did a long selftest, and while the test is currently ongoing, the test is now "PASSED". Any ideas where to ask about that?
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• 2883[17:15:49] <rattking> cbug: IMHO you should take the warning and backup any data you care about asap.
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• 2886[17:17:15] <cbug> rattking: the disk is already taken off the raid and I started RMA with the manufacturer, since it is within warranty. But what should I tell the manufacturer, Health status is "PASSED" now, and you cant see any errors anymore.
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• 2888[17:17:52] <rattking> how does the table of raw values look?
• 2889[17:18:08] <cbug> rattking: good, the "FAILING NOW" is gone, too.
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• 2892[17:19:05] <cbug> rattking: Old smartvalue: 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 067 067 067 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 6488086
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• 2894[17:19:13] <rattking> I have never seen one go from failing to passed.. but I have only ever seen a few actually say failing. I tend to replace before that even.. once you start seeing reallocated sectors and such
• 2895[17:19:16] <cbug> rattking: new smartvalue: 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail Always - 0
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• 2898[17:20:08] <rattking> maybe someone else knows why that value would get reset.. I have never seen that before
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• 2900[17:20:42] <cbug> rattking: yeah, me too, thats why I am asking where the right channel would be.
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• 2904[17:21:01] <Iridos> possibly ##hardware?
• 2905[17:21:12] <Iridos> you couldn't possibly have taken out the wrong disk or something like that, though?
• 2906[17:22:19] <cbug> Iridos: both lines are from the same terminal, and the disk is the only one in this device.
• 2907[17:22:19] <rattking> wait this wouldnt be a seagate drive would it?
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• 2910[17:22:51] <cbug> nah, TOSHIBA DT01ACA300
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• 2917[17:23:18] <Iridos> rattking, this isn't the 90ies!
• 2918[17:23:20] <rattking> kk, becuase I have seen seagate drives log read erros in scientific notation and be fine :\
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• 2921[17:23:40] <Iridos> oh
• 2922[17:23:55] <Iridos> thought you were referring of the mass-failures of seagate drives at some time
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• 2928[17:24:39] <Iridos> what's that with asterismo
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• 2933[17:26:16] <jelly-home> asterismo_m: ping
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• 2936[17:26:31] <asterismo_m> hi
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• 2938[17:26:49] <jelly-home> your connection has been flapping quite a bit
• 2939[17:26:57] <asterismo_m> yeah, damn
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• 2941[17:27:03] <jelly-home> just checking if you're alive
• 2942[17:27:12] <asterismo_m> i'll sign out, sorry
• 2943[17:27:24] <asterismo_m> its my mobile client
• 2944[17:27:32] <asterismo_m> Atomic for android
• 2945[17:27:41] <asterismo_m> bye
• 2946[17:27:43] <jelly-home> ah, ok
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• 2948[17:27:46] <asterismo_m> dont wanna flood
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• 2951[17:28:00] <jelly-home> aaand too late
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• 2956[17:29:19] <Redfoxmoon> has kaffe-jvm been completely removed from debian jessie?
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• 2963[17:31:09] <Iridos> oh fun... just tried to use inotifywatch ... it's not such a great idea if you try to do that over sshfs
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• 2965[17:31:54] <Iridos> judd, versions kaffe-jvm
• 2966[17:31:55] <judd> No package named 'kaffe-jvm' was found in amd64.
• 2967[17:32:55] <Iridos> not sure why you think there ever was such a package
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• 2972[17:33:31] <Iridos> there's only two font packages *-yanone-kaffeesatz that contain "kaffee"
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• 3008[17:50:05] <Redfoxmoon> Iridos, because I am pretty sure I've seen them before..
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• 3011[17:51:09] <Walex> there was such a VM a long time ago, it was not quite complete
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• 3016[17:51:49] <Walex> Redfoxmoon: there is a PPA: replaced-url
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• 3018[17:51:58] <Iridos> so... it's now impossible to install .debs that aren't from debian?
• 3019[17:51:59] <Iridos> ^^
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• 3022[17:52:18] <Iridos> ... like from a ppa?
• 3023[17:52:34] <Iridos> in some ways, that would be a bloody good idea
• 3024[17:52:55] <markybob> +1
• 3025[17:53:04] <Redfoxmoon> ubuntu ppa, eh.
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• 3027[17:53:19] <cra1g321> yeah PPAs are great for messing things up :D
• 3028[17:53:26] <Walex> Iridos: there are PPAs with Debian-targeted packages, most Launchpad PPA have only Ubuntu packages, but often they are Debian-compatible if you choose carefully, or you can easily rebuild on Debian.
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• 3031[17:53:49] <Redfoxmoon> yeah problem is kaffe doesn't build on debian
• 3032[17:53:51] <Redfoxmoon> anymore ._.
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• 3035[17:54:06] <Redfoxmoon> something about libtool's libltdl :D
• 3036[17:54:20] <sakal> hi, in last few days I have a freeze system for the 20-30 seconds, while I'm in browser. I can understand that it may be problem of browser, but why I can't use system? and have /var/log/Xorg.0.log with size over 100 MB with GetModeLine records
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• 3039[17:54:27] <sakal> in debian sid
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• 3041[17:54:49] <markybob> sakal: ask #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic it's not supported here
• 3042[17:54:59] <sakal> ok, sorry
• 3043[17:55:03] <Walex> sakal: the "sid" archive is discussed in the other channel. Also that kind of freeze is very common.
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• 3045[17:55:19] <sakal> ok, ok
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• 3047[17:55:37] <Walakea> according to Distrowatch popular live distros are Mint, Zorin, Ubuntu and Kali
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• 3050[17:56:18] <sakal> thank you any way :)
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• 3066[18:02:42] <marus> i have run mkfs.ntfs -f /dev/sdb1, now when i run fdisk -l
• 3067[18:02:54] <marus> i get System = Linux
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• 3069[18:03:14] <marus> is there a way to convert /dev/sdb1 to ntfs ?
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• 3079[18:06:35] <cisc> Can LVM drive striping do the same thing as mdadm?
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• 3088[18:08:09] <Walakea> i have debian live iso i want to put it on my USB and make it bootable, how do i do it?
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• 3092[18:10:11] <markybob> Walakea: you read the notes. it says cp image.iso /dev/sdX
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• 3096[18:10:57] <Iridos> marus, that's just a number representing a filesystem in the partition table. you can change that with fdisk... or you could let e.g. gparted format it to ntfs for you
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• 3098[18:12:14] <Walakea> where are the notes?
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• 3102[18:12:53] <markybob> Walakea: replaced-url
• 3103[18:13:07] <frostschutz> cisc, it's more or less the same, yes.
• 3104[18:13:23] <Walakea> thanks
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• 3110[18:15:14] <cisc> frostschutz: any one perferred over the other for RAID 1 or RAID 0?
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• 3124[18:17:17] <markybob> cisc: replaced-url
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• 3127[18:18:34] <r0ck_> good evening, everyone!
• 3128[18:19:10] <r0ck_> do you know how to make debian connect to the internet whenever it start thru wifi connection, but then when user logs in let him use nm-applet to connect to wifi?
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• 3133[18:20:12] <anonkun> hello
• 3134[18:20:15] <anonkun> I am trying to install debian
• 3135[18:20:21] <anonkun> I am using the gnome nonfree live image
• 3136[18:20:37] <anonkun> but I get some error like "rtl_nic/rtl8168 not found would you like to load firmware from usb?"
• 3137[18:20:43] <anonkun> but when I click yes, it fails to detect it
• 3138[18:20:45] <anonkun> what do I do
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• 3140[18:21:45] <mtn> anonkun: these isos are the easiest to use: replaced-url
• 3141[18:21:52] <cisc> that article doesn't cover LVM and the differences between that and mdadm, ill read over it again
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• 3143[18:22:28] <anonkun> mtn: this is what I am using debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso
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• 3146[18:23:00] <hypfer> hi; short question: i'm on wheezy. I want to build the jessie version of a package. How?
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• 3151[18:24:06] <mtn> anonkun: not sure about the live version, I always use the netinstall
• 3152[18:24:46] <anonkun> That firmware is for my network I think
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• 3154[18:25:11] <mtn> hypfer: the package is not in backports?
• 3155[18:25:44] <hypfer> mtn: no
• 3156[18:25:47] <mtn> !tell hypfer about ssb
• 3157[18:26:09] <anonkun> mtn: do I have to format my USB as ext4 or something for it to work?
• 3158[18:26:14] <TomTomTosch> hypfer, what package is that?
• 3159[18:26:26] <mtn> anonkun: no, just use cp or dd to put the iso on it
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• 3161[18:26:43] <anonkun> mtn: i think its ntfs or fat32 or something
• 3162[18:26:46] <mtn> anonkun: replaced-url
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• 3164[18:27:01] <anonkun> I used dd
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• 3166[18:27:04] <mtn> anonkun: doesn't matter. dd or cp will put the iso on it
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• 3180[18:30:40] <hypfer> TomTomTosch: snmpd. I've figured out how to build the jessie version
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• 3183[18:31:19] <frostschutz> cisc, if you want it only for one LV, LVM is better... if you want whole disk RAID, I prefer mdadm
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• 3195[18:34:44] <dob1> hi, i have a command in a script like echo "something" | somecommand -s param1 -l param2 etc, how do i run it in background without output? echo "something" | somecommand -s param1 -l param2 > /dev/null 2>&1 & , right?
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• 3200[18:35:52] <Iridos> yes... but why do you have to ask
• 3201[18:35:53] <slink> dob1: (command 1 ; command 2 ; command 3 ) 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null &
• 3202[18:36:02] <slink> dob1: or nohup can help maybe too
• 3203[18:36:09] <anonkun> mtn: I formatted the pendrive and it has no partition of any sort. Just free space. If I use dd, it should be okay right?
• 3204[18:36:31] <mtn> anonkun: yes, indeed. it makes no difference to dd or cp
• 3205[18:36:46] <anonkun> okay, thank you
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• 3208[18:37:21] <hypfer> ok doesn't work
• 3209[18:37:43] <cisc> frostschutz: I agree, just checking
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• 3211[18:37:48] <cisc> thx
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• 3215[18:38:25] <dob1> slink, you will put the nohut after the pipe, right?
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• 3220[18:40:23] <slink> dob1: nohup would only be good for one command as far as i know, the other example is the one i'd use for multiple. nohup is a command, e.g. nohup command, and the output goes in nohup.out
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• 3241[18:48:28] <Walakea> can debian live run from ram?
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• 3245[18:49:15] <markybob> Walakea: that's how it works, yes
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• 3250[18:51:48] <Walakea> replaced-url
• 3251[18:51:52] <fuan> Walakea: probably meant "load to RAM", so he can remove the CD once it is booted (and have a snappier system too).
• 3252[18:52:07] <Walakea> so what about the distros that are not mentioned here?
• 3253[18:52:25] <Walakea> yes thats what i meant
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• 3257[18:52:48] <fuan> antix and refracta both can, both are based on debian (yup, that is not what you asked, just saying).
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• 3259[18:53:18] <fuan> i don't think the debian-live CD can do that (but am not sure)
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• 3261[18:53:59] <Walakea> and then how do i save changes if i want to?
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• 3265[18:54:27] <maddawg> Walakea, you cant
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• 3267[18:54:41] <maddawg> and even if it were in RAM you'd lose the changes after reboot
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• 3272[18:56:41] <fuan> Walakea: look for frugal install
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• 3276[18:57:09] <fuan> i never saw much sense in it though, if i want changes saved, i just install ...
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• 3278[18:57:16] <Walakea> so if i understand this correctly, a live system is supposed to put itself to RAM
• 3279[18:57:35] <Walakea> any live OS?
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• 3282[18:57:54] <blabla> puppylinux?
• 3283[18:58:01] <blabla> damn small linux?
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• 3290[18:59:06] <mtn> Walakea: all live disks use ram instead of the hard drive
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• 3293[18:59:28] <edgardoweb> hi
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• 3295[18:59:39] <edgardoweb> how install kodi in debian 8?
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• 3297[18:59:50] <Walakea> but if i want to, i can put a normal OS on USB that will behave like usual?
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• 3299[19:00:11] <fuan> You sure can install like usual to a USB stick
• 3300[19:00:17] <blabla> Walakea: no, if it doesn't support live booting
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• 3305[19:01:47] <fuan> Walakea: you probably want to carry the stick with you, put it in any hardware out there, and boot your stick (including the changes) ?
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• 3315[19:04:10] <Walakea> maybe
• 3316[19:04:10] <fornax> Hi, I have a question concerning bridges. I have one bridge br0 in my system which has a public accessible IP and all virtual nics added to this bridge get IPs from my provider. Now I would like to have a second bridge br1. Do I have to add br0 to the bridge_ports of br1 and what do I have to set as gateway?
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• 3319[19:04:40] <Walakea> i basically want something like Gparted live
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• 3321[19:05:14] <Walakea> but if i can just have debian live and install the additional software myself that would be better
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• 3324[19:05:35] <thurstylark> I just built and installed the 4.5 kernel because my sound card isn't supported in the kernel availible in jessie-backports. For some reason my sound card is still being loaded with the generic driver, and I can't figure out why. Can anyone clue me in?
• 3325[19:05:35] <andy98> can i use a different web browser?
• 3326[19:05:36] <fuan> to get a gparted live you don't seem to need to save any changes to the liveCD, Walakea, most distros come with it. No?
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• 3329[19:05:52] <fuan> Walakea: like said, look at antix, refracta, grml
• 3330[19:06:15] <fuan> and perhaps ask in their forums about that frugal thing (save the changes).
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• 3332[19:06:25] <Walakea> no
• 3333[19:06:29] <Walakea> ok
• 3334[19:06:30] <fuan> from the top of my head i don't know how that works
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• 3337[19:06:50] <fuan> perhaps they can even tell you how to do that with a debian CD
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• 3340[19:07:03] <Walakea> also can i repartition HDD i am currently using?
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• 3347[19:09:02] <mtn> andy98: you can use any web browser you want to use
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• 3357[19:11:44] <anonkun> I installed debian using the nonfree KDE iso
• 3358[19:11:50] <anonkun> and it worked, for the most part
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• 3360[19:12:14] <anonkun> now it loads up on a tty and only the security.debian.org thing is in the sources.list for apt :/
• 3361[19:12:23] <anonkun> how does this happen :(
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• 3364[19:13:11] <awal1> anonkun, installation whitout internet access?
• 3365[19:13:23] <anonkun> Yes
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• 3368[19:13:44] <awal1> official debian image?
• 3369[19:14:07] <anonkun> debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-kde-desktop+nonfree.iso
• 3370[19:14:08] <anonkun> yes
• 3371[19:14:10] <anonkun> I had the gnome one too
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• 3375[19:14:14] <anonkun> But tried kde this time
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• 3377[19:14:33] <awal1> downloaded from official debian website?
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• 3380[19:14:45] <anonkun> Yes, sometime ago.
• 3381[19:14:48] <anonkun> Like a couple of weeks
• 3382[19:14:55] <awal1> ok
• 3383[19:15:14] <anonkun> is this a bug that i need to file a bug report about?
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• 3385[19:15:33] <awal1> that occured because probably you made the installation whitout internet access
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• 3388[19:15:52] <anonkun> does this mean that kde did not install either?
• 3389[19:15:52] <awal1> just edit your sources.list file and add the required repositories
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• 3391[19:16:32] <awal1> ahm, so the boot ends in tty and no X?
• 3392[19:16:39] <anonkun> yup
• 3393[19:16:44] <anonkun> and startx give some sort of error
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• 3395[19:17:16] <anonkun> tty8 to be more specific
• 3396[19:17:38] <awal1> tty8?
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• 3402[19:18:58] <maddawg> is there anything i need to know or do about running debian 8 on hyper-v?
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• 3404[19:19:12] <maddawg> or is it just as straightforward as setting it up on vmware esxi
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• 3408[19:20:35] <BinBasher> ,v gnome-shell-extension-weather
• 3409[19:20:36] <judd> Package: gnome-shell-extension-weather on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0~20130619.gitf74de79-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0~20140924.git7e28508-1+deb8u1; sid: 0~20151125.gitccaa1eb-1; stretch: 0~20151125.gitccaa1eb-1
• 3410[19:20:46] <awal1> anonkun, in a standard debian system tty8 isn't available; X is in 7
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• 3420[19:23:21] <awal1> anonkun, the image you have used may just be broken/buggy. try another one
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• 3426[19:25:39] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 3429[19:27:05] <Almtesh> Excuse me, the firmware, that's the little peace of code that is loaded into a hardware to make it work?
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• 3436[19:28:04] <awal1> Almtesh, ?
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• 3439[19:28:59] <awal1> dpkg: tell Almtesh about firmware
• 3440[19:29:06] <anonkun> hm
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• 3457[19:36:18] <Almtesh> awal1, ok, that what I understand.
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• 3461[19:36:58] <Almtesh> awal1, but, why do linux need firmwares. Aren't they in the device's EPROM?
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• 3470[19:39:48] <TomTomTosch> Windows does the same with drivers.
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• 3476[19:40:31] <Almtesh> TomTomTosch, ok, so, the firmware aren't stored in the device, but they are provided by the OS at each boot.
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• 3480[19:41:43] <TomTomTosch> i guess the firmware is loaded into the device at some point.
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• 3490[19:45:13] <TomTomTosch> Almtesh, what exactly do you wish to do?
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• 3496[19:46:00] <Almtesh> TomTomTosch, nothing, I was just wondering why there were firmwares in linux.
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• 3503[19:47:10] <greycat> It's a recent trend in hardware for vendors to ship "half-done" devices, and finish the job in a firmware blob that they include in their Windows drivers. Incrementally. Getting less bad over time, maybe.
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• 3506[19:47:39] <greycat> This lets them get their products out faster.
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• 3511[19:48:12] <maurer> Is there a way to enumerate debug packages in debian, and once I have those, is there a way to map from the debug package to the original package?
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• 3520[19:49:40] <maurer> (My overall goal here is that I want to use the debian package archive as a sampling dataset for some binary analysis stuff, but I need symbols. As a result, I want to sample from amongst those packages which have a -dbg package, weighting by inst vote in popcont, and then fetch both the dbg and base package to look at)
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• 3522[19:50:09] <maurer> My current plan is to do this solely by strings (e.g. find packages which end in -dbg, then remove the dbg), but figured this metadata might exist structurally somewhere
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• 3552[19:57:48] <cartucho2> Hola
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• 3559[19:59:52] <r6ku> hello :)
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• 3561[20:00:13] <dimitry7> cartucho2, hola
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• 3565[20:01:35] <cartucho2> Ya creia que era un canal ingles😀
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• 3569[20:03:47] <cartucho2> Una pregunta uso kodi en debian ,queria que cuando arranque el pc arranque kodi como interface
• 3570[20:04:02] <cartucho2> Se puede hacer??
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• 3572[20:04:20] <greycat> This *is* an English channel.
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• 3574[20:05:00] <cartucho2> English only
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• 3581[20:08:13] <slavanap> Hello. I just wrote a tool to download youtube videos with one command line. Just wondering, should I publish such a tool to the community?
• 3582[20:08:47] <greycat> Is it better than youtube-dl?
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• 3584[20:09:00] <TomTomTosch> github is a good place ;D
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• 3587[20:10:12] <slavanap> greycat, well youtube-dl looks like broken to me
• 3588[20:10:33] <AciD`> it is to me too, on on computer at least
• 3589[20:10:53] <slavanap> TomTomTosch, sure, but I'm thinking about creating my first package :)
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• 3594[20:12:41] <slavanap> Okey, gonna share it really soon, in few minutes I hope. It's written in C# and requires mono-runtime, wget and ffmpeg
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• 3597[20:13:47] <TomTomTosch> slavanap, there is a #debian-mentors channel on irc.oftc.net. you can file an ITP and try to find a sponsor.
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• 3599[20:14:11] <TomTomTosch> but there are docs on all of this.
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• 3604[20:14:55] <slavanap> TomTomTosch, what is ITP and "sponsor"? (I'm not familiar with these terms)
• 3605[20:15:19] <greycat> Intent To Package
• 3606[20:15:48] <slavanap> TomTomTosch, I guess, sponsor is someone like curator. Okey, gonna read some docs first
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• 3608[20:16:09] <slavanap> thanks, greycat
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• 3610[20:16:39] <TomTomTosch> ITP means intent to package. it's a bug report, a bit like a ticket. a sponsor is a debian dev that does the uploading for you. you can't do that simply yourself if you are not an established debian dev.
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• 3616[20:18:41] <TomTomTosch> anyway, good luck.
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• 3638[20:30:11] <slavanap> Here you go replaced-url
• 3639[20:30:26] <slavanap> AciD`: maybe you wanna check that out.
• 3640[20:30:29] <greycat> isn't dnl the thing you put in m4 macros...?
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• 3644[20:31:09] <slavanap> hmm... I dunno, really.
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• 3651[20:33:29] <slavanap> Hope, it will be useful to someone, because I'm tired to picking up these links and merging manually.
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• 3653[20:34:27] <hiya> Can I debian 7.4 net install to install Debian Jessie?
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• 3656[20:34:42] <hiya> or Do I need to upgrade later?
• 3657[20:34:44] <hiya> Can I use&
• 3658[20:34:50] <TomTomTosch> hiya, you what?
• 3659[20:34:53] <greycat> !tell hiya about wheezy->jessie
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• 3661[20:35:29] <dontknow> hiya, yes you need to upgrade to jessie
• 3662[20:35:51] <greycat> If you have a 7.4 netinst image, you can install with that and then upgrade to jessie (doing what the bot said). But it might be a lot less work just to download a current Jessie netinst.
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• 3666[20:36:47] <hiya> greycat, thanks
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• 3671[20:38:14] <hiya> greycat, Would FDE work fine?
• 3672[20:38:30] <hiya> when I upgrade after installation?
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• 3681[20:40:36] <greycat> I don't know what FDE is.
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• 3683[20:42:17] <hiya> Full Disk Encryption
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• 3685[20:42:30] <hiya> it is an option to setup Encrypted LVM when you setup
• 3686[20:42:32] <greycat> Ah, I was thinking it was a typof for KDE.
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• 3690[20:43:07] <linuxx> hello
• 3691[20:43:19] <greycat> If you're doing bizarre or cutting-edge stuff at install time, I would download the current (stable) installer instead of using an old relic.
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• 3693[20:44:04] <linuxx> i installed debian 8.3 lxde in a aspire one with broadcom 4312, i installed firmware-b43-installer and modporbe -r b43; modprobe b43
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• 3695[20:44:25] <linuxx> iwlist wlan0 scanning shows me networks but wicd dont, why?
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• 3706[20:51:31] <linuxx> ok i solved (i remembered i have to put in preferences in inalambric interface: wlan0
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• 3715[20:54:54] <r0ck_> linuxx: you are good!
• 3716[20:55:19] <andy98> how do i add packages first day with debian
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• 3718[20:56:00] <dontknow> andy98, what does it mean?
• 3719[20:56:07] <greycat> andy98: there are many ways. I use "apt-get install" (give a list of package names), other people use apt or aptitude, or GUI things.
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• 3723[20:56:46] <RoyK> (or ansible or cfengine or chef or puppet or something if there's a large number of machines)
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• 3741[21:01:19] <edgardoweb> hi
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• 3769[21:08:15] <axc1298> hi. if we have iceweasel release installed from mozilla.debian.net, do we need to uninstall it and remove mozilla.debian.net from sources.list?
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• 3772[21:08:41] <axc1298> when i apt-get update i'm getting: "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 3787[21:14:50] <andy98> is there a usb writer?
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• 3790[21:16:34] <RoyK> andy98: usb writer?
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• 3794[21:17:03] <greycat> What kind of USB device do you want to write to?
• 3795[21:17:04] <andy98> yeah like multi-writer or something to write an iso to usb for a boot
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• 3798[21:17:19] <greycat> A USB "thumb drive"? CD? DVD?
• 3799[21:17:29] <andy98> thumb drive
• 3800[21:17:32] <TomTomTosch> andy98, just cp foo.iso /dev/sdx
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• 3803[21:18:25] <andy98> what
• 3804[21:18:28] <doebi> how can i remove the *doc packages of texlive to save space on / ?
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• 3807[21:19:14] <greycat> doebi: dpkg --purge pkgnames (or, apt-get --purge remove pkgnames)
• 3808[21:19:39] <somiaj> doebi: just remove them, you may have to turn some of the flags of the other texlive to manual as this will remove the meta package that holds everything in
• 3809[21:19:42] <doebi> greycat: this also removes texlive-full
• 3810[21:19:46] <TomTomTosch> andy98, you should use the cp command to copy an iso to an usb drive.
• 3811[21:20:00] <andy98> how do i do that
• 3812[21:20:10] <somiaj> doebi: that package is a meta-package, it does nothing except pull in all the other packages that are part of the 'full' textlive suit (which includes docs)
• 3813[21:20:11] <doebi> somiaj: i never manually set flags on packages, how would i do that
• 3814[21:20:23] <greycat> doebi: in other words, it's fine to remove that.
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• 3816[21:20:45] <somiaj> doebi: easy way, apt-get install foo, even if foo is installed. So after you remove texlive-foo it may have other texlive packages on the autoremove list
• 3817[21:20:57] <somiaj> doebi: aptitude can also modify the flag directly (unsure how to do it in apt)
• 3818[21:21:02] <TomTomTosch> andy98, you open a terminal, type cp path/foo.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the device you want to write to.
• 3819[21:21:25] <greycat> andy98: the first step is to find out the device name. Usually by plugging it in, and then typing "dmesg | tail" and reading it.
• 3820[21:22:13] <doebi> hmm i was afraid, that purge of *doc would remove all other texlive stuff, so i didnt try. but will try now. thx
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• 3822[21:22:25] <andy98> thank you
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• 3825[21:22:52] <somiaj> doebi: if you use aptitude it might, if you use apt-get you may notice a lot of the other stuff in the 'autoremove' list, you can just change that once you find out what packages it is.
• 3826[21:23:02] <doebi> or would you suggest moving the space heavy folders to another partition?
• 3827[21:23:21] <axc1298> if you're advising him to use cp, why not just tell him to drag and drop the file to his usb drive. much quicker, since he obviously doesn't know much about commandline
• 3828[21:23:23] * namespace currently having pulseaudio problems
• 3829[21:23:27] <doebi> fonts, docs, etc
• 3830[21:23:53] <TomTomTosch> axc1298, what?
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• 3832[21:24:04] <greycat> axc1298: I doubt a GUI is going to do what he needs here. He does *NOT* want to write a file to a mounted USB device's file system. He wants to overwrite the file system with an image.
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• 3835[21:24:22] <somiaj> doebi: the -docs are in seperate packages and if you aren't going to read them anyways (maybe you use internet docs insetad) they can be removed no problem.
• 3836[21:24:43] <axc1298> greycat: cp will overwrite the file system with the image?
• 3837[21:24:48] <doebi> why are the automatically pulled in then?
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• 3839[21:25:01] <axc1298> why does everyone seem to use dd then
• 3840[21:25:06] <TomTomTosch> axc1298, if you write to the device and not a partition, yes.
• 3841[21:25:08] <greycat> Custom. Habit.
• 3842[21:25:10] <doebi> i mean they occupy 1.7 GB
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• 3845[21:25:20] <greycat> doebi: because you typed -full
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• 3847[21:25:23] <doebi> texlive-full has roughly 3.3
• 3848[21:25:31] <axc1298> TomTomTosch: didn't know that
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• 3851[21:25:52] <greycat> You could have installed "texlive" instead.
• 3852[21:25:53] <TomTomTosch> axc1298, but that's because an iso contains a fs.
• 3853[21:26:01] <doebi> i did that because i remember to have problems with missing packages in past.
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• 3855[21:26:19] <axc1298> when people use dd you can specify byte size. does that not apply when using cp to write the iso?
• 3856[21:26:28] <axc1298> block size*
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• 3858[21:26:35] <TomTomTosch> iso does that for you.
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• 3860[21:26:38] <TomTomTosch> *cp
• 3861[21:26:41] <greycat> A block size only affects performance, and even then it's extremely marginal.
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• 3864[21:27:19] <andy98> greycat, after i have written the name then what?
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• 3871[21:28:38] <greycat> andy98: The device name that you get from dmesg tells you what to put in the cp (or dd) command.
• 3872[21:28:40] <uooao> hello, my system is completely crashing, it reboots on its own. When I check /var/log/messages I can see the errors on this pastebin replaced-url
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• 3874[21:29:28] <andy98> i have that
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• 3876[21:29:43] <andy98> how do i put the iso in
• 3877[21:29:58] <greycat> cp isofilename devicename
• 3878[21:30:05] <jhutchins> uooao: Hardware issue, possibly a USB device.
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• 3881[21:30:49] <andy98> im doing cp path/foo.iso/dev
• 3882[21:31:16] <uooao> jhutchins, thank you I was expecting a hw issue. How can confirm the problem is the usb. And what could I do to isolate or fix the problem
• 3883[21:31:21] <jhutchins> andy98: You'll want a space in there.
• 3884[21:31:35] <greycat> There should be a space between each pair of arguments. The device name should BEGIN with /dev but it can't be just /dev. There has to be more to it, like /dev/sdb or /dev/sdf or something.
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• 3887[21:32:11] <jhutchins> uooao: What USB devices are connected? Disconnect them one at a time and see if the errors persist.
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• 3895[21:33:16] <uooao> jhutchins, well my keyboard and mouse are the only usb's connected. Would it help if I use a different port? or disabling usb3 support on bios or something?
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• 3897[21:34:30] <jhutchins> uooao: You could try a different port. Laptop or desktop?
• 3898[21:34:56] <uooao> desktop
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• 3905[21:38:00] <ryouma> in iceweasel, the cursor in text boxes is a thin line that blinks. i need to turn off the blinking for health reasons. i asked on the firefox channel, and got the reply that it sounds like it is os-related. i'd like a solid, non-blinking block cursor. (inb4 this is unrelated to caret browsing.)
• 3906[21:38:06] <uooao> jhutchins is there any way to find what usb port is causing the issue (other than test each port and see if the issue is recreated).
• 3907[21:38:26] <doebi> now i end up reinstalling all that shit <.<
• 3908[21:38:58] <doebi> and all the seperate texlive packages automaitcally pull in their doc package
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• 3912[21:40:06] <jhutchins> uooao: It could be the device rather than the port.
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• 3915[21:40:57] <greycat> ryouma: It's a bit outside my experience, but you might be able to use something like the "Stylish" extension, to set CSS attributes for all textareas in your web pages.
• 3916[21:41:01] <DammitJim> deluser vs userdel
• 3917[21:41:04] <DammitJim> which one should I use?
• 3918[21:41:11] <greycat> ryouma: you might have better luck in a firefox channel.
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• 3921[21:41:39] <somiaj> DammitJim: read the man page to see the differnces.
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• 3924[21:41:47] <uooao> jhutchins, thanks. But any way to find what port is raising the error (then i will find out if it is the device or port). Cause I dont to have to buy a new mouse and keyboard to test
• 3925[21:41:50] <doebi> DammitJim: i always ask myself the same
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• 3927[21:42:22] <somiaj> one is just a wrapper for the other with some predefined options set. The other you have to set all the extra options yourself. The man pags should describe what these options are.
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• 3930[21:42:49] <DammitJim> thanks
• 3931[21:42:56] <DammitJim> for my case, I liked deluser
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• 3985[22:00:10] <ryouma> this answer suggests that the blinking of a cursor is under os control: replaced-url
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• 3997[22:03:12] <greycat> That may be true but I wouldn't have any clue how to configure that, other than ~/.gtkrc-2.0 or something, and that's only because that's where you have to put gtk-key-theme-name="Emacs" to make Ctrl-U (et al.) work properly
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• 4005[22:05:49] <greycat> Oh, replaced-url
• 4006[22:06:19] <greycat> Maybe there's something you can put in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 but I don't know what, or even how to find out what the choices are.
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• 4012[22:11:32] <jhutchins> ryouma: replaced-url
• 4013[22:11:40] <jhutchins> ryouma: You're not the only one.
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• 4019[22:14:33] <jhutchins> caret blink might not be the same as text, but it should be close.
• 4020[22:14:39] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 4081[22:46:25] <Ntemis> hi
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• 4083[22:46:30] <awal1> Apart adding 'less' to the command, is there another way for make the output (a looong one) of X command fit in the terminal?
• 4084[22:46:40] <Ntemis> can i build a debian kernel on ubuntu?
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• 4088[22:47:48] <Ntemis> i mean do i have to do anything different to be bootable on my debian os?
• 4089[22:48:23] <awal1> output of "dpkg-query -l" is so big and it doesn't fit in the terminal/console,how to solve that without 'less', I mean
• 4090[22:48:33] <awal1> example ^
• 4091[22:48:53] <jmcnaught> awal1: do you mean it's too wide?
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• 4098[22:50:55] <awal1> jmcnaught, bad /limited english vocabulary here, sorry. I mean when the output of a given command is so long how to see it all without 'less' argument or without '> filename'
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• 4101[22:51:59] <jmcnaught> awal1: you can filter it with grep to make the list shorter and more specific to what you're looking for
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• 4105[22:52:16] <awal1> i can see only half of "dpkg-query -l " output if I dont add "| less"
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• 4107[22:52:31] <awal1> jmcnaught, yeah, I knew that
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• 4111[22:53:01] <awal1> Why long outputs doesn't fit in terminals?
• 4112[22:53:18] <jmcnaught> awal1: most terminual emulators have a scrollback, usually shift+pgup. or if you use screen you can enter copy mode
• 4113[22:53:45] <jmcnaught> awal1: do you mean why is the list so long it physically doesn't fit on your display?
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• 4116[22:54:18] <awal1> jmcnaught, right, but shift+pgup stops in the middle of the output
• 4117[22:54:29] <awal1> jmcnaught, yes that's what I meant
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• 4120[22:55:24] <awal1> doesn't fit physically in terminal window ^
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• 4126[22:56:35] <jmcnaught> awal1: that's what pager's like less are for. your terminal emulator's scrollback size might be configurable. or you could use screen. personally i just filter results with grep, and use less
• 4127[22:56:50] <jmcnaught> s/pager's/pagers/
• 4128[22:57:07] <Walakea> to upgrade from stable to testing all i need to do is add testing to sources.list, update and upgrade?
• 4129[22:58:10] <TomTomTosch> Walakea, you will find all info you need to upgrade in the release notes.
• 4130[22:58:21] <jmcnaught> Walakea: you probably also want to check that stretch is installable at this point, read about the testing security policy, and test your backups can be restored and have a rescue plan
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• 4132[22:58:43] <TomTomTosch> oops, testing. never mind D:
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• 4134[22:59:22] <awal1> jmcnaught, yeah I usually use less/grep but I was wondering if one can avoid them. simple technical curiosity. Ok, I'll check my terminal emulators configs and see if scrolling back are configurable
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• 4136[22:59:27] <jmcnaught> Walakea: there's a #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support, if you ask there people might be able ot give you a heads up on what kind of shape testing is in this week
• 4137[23:00:01] <jmcnaught> Walakea: do you know how to do stuff like fix conflicts in apt, or recover a system what won't start X, stuff like that?
• 4138[23:00:53] <jmcnaught> awal1: screen has a configurable scrollback buffer size, and is pretty handy otherwise
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• 4144[23:02:50] <awal1> jmcnaught, ok, I usually use 'guake' but I have 'screen' installed but never used it seriously. I'll check it again
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• 4147[23:03:18] <jmcnaught> awal1: screen will run inside guake (unless guake is strange and broken)
• 4148[23:03:27] <TomTomTosch> most have infinite scrollback, which is handy.
• 4149[23:04:19] <awal1> jmcnaught, ok
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• 4153[23:05:11] <Walakea> probably not
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• 4156[23:05:34] <ryouma> jmcnaught: i think you fixed it. everybody conflates the caret, the mouse pointer, and the textarea cursor, but adding a new variable ui.caretBlinkTime to 0 actually fixed the textarea cursor, even if it should not have. in contrast, setting gtk2.0 gtk-cursor-blink=0 did not work, and i did not find any other settings and css was looking daunting.
• 4157[23:05:44] <awal1> TomTomTosch, that depends on what one is doing in the terminal
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• 4159[23:07:00] <jmcnaught> Walakea: why did you want to upgrade to testing? the nice thing about stable is things don't change by surprise, with testing there's no guarantee that new versions won't introduce new bugs, require config changes etc. If you're experienced with Debian and/or willing to learn and help report bugs, testing can be fun
• 4160[23:07:13] <r6ku> Walakea: just remember to back up your data, have fun replaced-url
• 4161[23:07:22] <jmcnaught> Walakea: but if you depend on the computer for getting work done, stable + some backports is a better option
• 4162[23:07:34] <Walakea> well mostly i want the newest gnome
• 4163[23:07:59] <Walakea> surely i cannot afford to have my system broken
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• 4165[23:08:20] <jmcnaught> Walakea: also sometimes when stuff breaks in testing it stays broken for a while, until it gets fixed in unstable and then the migration period
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• 4167[23:08:38] <r6ku> Walakea: broken like your system won't boot etc.
• 4168[23:08:39] <Walakea> i have probably everything backed up but i dont want to spend hours fixing OS
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• 4172[23:09:29] <jmcnaught> Walakea: that's the beauty of debian stable, stick with versions that are known to work well for a couple of years at a time.
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• 4177[23:10:31] <jmcnaught> Walakea: if you just want to check out new gnome or other stuff, you could also put testing on a spare computer or VM
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• 4180[23:10:49] <pipegeek> Hi, folks. A question. I'm new to systemd. I don't see service starts/stops getting logged at all, and I'm a little confused. Where should I be looking?
• 4181[23:10:54] <ryouma> thanks for fixing the cursor problem
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• 4184[23:11:06] <Walakea> this gets me to my previous idea
• 4185[23:11:11] <pipegeek> the output of journalctl -b doesn't show my service starting, but it's clearly running.
• 4186[23:11:20] <pipegeek> debian jessie here.
• 4187[23:11:33] <Walakea> i could have 3 partitions: deb-stable, deb-testing and /home
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• 4189[23:12:00] <jmcnaught> ryouma: someone else maybe? i don't know what you're talking about :P
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• 4192[23:12:42] <ryouma> jhutchins: thank you!
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• 4194[23:12:53] <jmcnaught> pipegeek: what does "systemctl status" tell you?
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• 4199[23:14:28] <TomTomTosch> Walakea, if you want to use the same user with both distros you would have to be careful about conflicting config files.
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• 4201[23:15:59] <sheppyh> hi all, need some help. Got a system with an ATi graphics card running gnome desktop. Boots and works fine but with poor gfx performance. Rather than installing propietry drivers I have the open source driver. When adding the non free firmware (firmware-linux-nonfree) - dmesg shows that the firmware has loaded fine but gnome desktop wont start -I'm at bash prompt only. Rebooting the system results in "a stop job is running for GNOME Display Manager".
• 4202[23:15:59] <sheppyh> Where do I start
• 4203[23:17:20] <sheppyh> Note: I have read all debian Wikis. I have read that you should install open source driver instead of propietry. I also read that the propietry driver is not compatable with GNOME and you should use the open source driver if you are a GNOME user
• 4204[23:17:33] <sheppyh> "This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop, as it does not support the EGL interface. It is recommended to use the free radeon driver instead."
• 4205[23:18:11] <sheppyh> I then followed the instructions directed to me at replaced-url
• 4206[23:18:19] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: did you at one point try fglrx and went back to radeon? which release are you using? Can you put /var/log/Xorg.0.log on replaced-url
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• 4208[23:18:32] <sheppyh> yep jmcnaught but not on this build
• 4209[23:18:40] <sheppyh> I was about to mention, I followed this guide replaced-url
• 4210[23:18:51] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: also maybe include "lspci -nn | grep -i VGA"
• 4211[23:18:54] <sheppyh> which has a FIX for GNOME but includes echo "export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/fglrx/fglrx-libGL.so.1.2" >> /etc/environment
• 4212[23:19:11] <sheppyh> I can't use that fix with radeon drivers as it isnt fglrx as referenced above
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• 4214[23:19:28] <sheppyh> will collect logs etc
• 4215[23:19:29] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: the instructions in the stack exchange link are garbage, and if they work at first they'll break at the next kernel update
• 4216[23:20:01] <sheppyh> understood jmcnaught - about the kernel update - however that is the ONLY guide I have managed to get this working in any way with ATI/GNOME
• 4217[23:20:27] <sheppyh> I think actually I followed these: replaced-url
• 4218[23:20:34] <sheppyh> then applied only the gnome fix from that link
• 4219[23:20:45] <sheppyh> i.e. I installed the proprietry in the debian suggest method
• 4220[23:21:09] <sheppyh> I can get it working like that but would rather use the radeon driver. Ill gather logs and lspci now
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• 4234[23:27:18] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: cool. it's not clear to me, was fglrx installed and then removed, or did you try that, and do a complete debian reinstall? Trying to determine if there could be fglrx artifacts left on the system
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• 4244[23:28:58] <sheppyh> complete reinstall
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• 4246[23:29:40] <sheppyh> literally first thing I did after fresh install was apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree and reboot
• 4247[23:31:57] <sheppyh> Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
• 4248[23:32:15] <sheppyh> ignore that...
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• 4252[23:32:17] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: thank you for clarifying :) in the future could you please use the debian paste site, pastebin is broken for a lot of us
• 4253[23:32:17] <sheppyh> lol wrong box
• 4254[23:32:25] <sheppyh> ah okay, ignore it anyway
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• 4257[23:33:01] <sheppyh> jmcnaught - tagged just incase yur sat there reading it already ;)
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• 4266[23:35:28] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: nope, do you have the URL?
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• 4279[23:39:32] <sheppyh> here u go jmcnaught replaced-url
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• 4281[23:40:01] <sheppyh> 3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 4284[23:40:48] <sheppyh> lspci: 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Bonaire XTX [Radeon R7 260X] [1002:6658]
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• 4287[23:41:16] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: that's quite short, are you sure Xorg.0.log is only 46 lines? (the command "wc -l" can tell you)
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• 4290[23:41:55] <sheppyh> 46 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
• 4291[23:42:10] <sheppyh> want me to startx and try again?
• 4292[23:42:15] <sheppyh> take log again*
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• 4295[23:42:55] <sheppyh> last line:
• 4296[23:42:55] <sheppyh> [ 1.540] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
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• 4298[23:43:07] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: okay, it seems to be complaining about udev perhaps being missing a little above that
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• 4300[23:43:27] <jmcnaught> judd: pciid 1002:6658
• 4301[23:43:28] <judd> [1002:6658] is 'Bonaire XTX [Radeon R7 260X/360]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 4307[23:44:05] <sheppyh> 'snd-hda-intel' whats that
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• 4309[23:44:35] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: it's judd being confused. maybe that kernel module is used for sound support on hdmi or something
• 4310[23:44:39] <sheppyh> ah ok
• 4311[23:44:40] <sheppyh> yeh
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• 4315[23:44:57] <sheppyh> um, is there a gnome log i can check - something to do with gnome display mgr?
• 4316[23:44:57] <somiaj> that kernel seems to be the one judd spits out if it can't figure out the correct module
• 4317[23:44:59] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: i don't keep up with GPU models, is this a really new card?
• 4318[23:45:06] <sheppyh> no not really
• 4319[23:45:19] <sheppyh> 2013
• 4320[23:45:39] <floris4970_> Hello, i'm trying to set up a new resolution on my linux board running detain jessie.. but it is failing.. can somebody help me a bit?
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• 4323[23:46:27] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: "man radeon" has a list of cards it supports. is this a kaveri or kabini?
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• 4325[23:46:51] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: how did you install gnome, by selecting it during the installer?
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• 4327[23:47:16] <sheppyh> yes selected during install
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• 4329[23:47:31] <sheppyh> [ 1.036648] radeon 0000:00:05.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware radeon/BONAIRE_pfp.bin
• 4330[23:47:41] <floris4970_> Anyone experience with using xrandr
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• 4332[23:47:56] <sheppyh> i dont know what kaveri is or kabini jmcnaught but its a bonaire card if thats what your asking
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• 4334[23:48:21] <sheppyh> BONAIRE Radeon HD 7790 series
• 4335[23:48:25] <sheppyh> listed in man radeon
• 4336[23:48:58] <sheppyh> although it's a R7 260X not a HD 7790
• 4337[23:49:02] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: "systemctl status udev" tell you anything?
• 4338[23:49:21] <sheppyh> active running no messages
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• 4340[23:49:50] <klow> Hello. I am trying to research the best way to do a semi-unattended install - where in a machine PXE boots, then asks for confirmation, then the disk is partition automatically and an exact copy of a root filesystem is copied from a server via rsync or similar . I need to keep the root fs in a chroot on the server as opposed to a disk image, since there will be frequent changes . Is there a particular system set up for something
• 4341[23:49:51] <klow> like this? I'll probably have to cobble some things together .. hmm..
• 4342[23:50:14] <sheppyh> I have a 5450 card which is listed CEDAR Radeon HD 5430/5450/6330/6350/6370
• 4343[23:50:18] <sheppyh> I can try that too
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• 4347[23:53:00] <jmcnaught> klow: there's actually a tool called cobbler... but the debian way is probably to netboot the installer over PXE, and fully automate it with preseeding
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• 4353[23:54:51] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: before trying a different card you could try restarting your DM (eg systemctl restart gdm) and check the log again. it's strange that it's so short, and doesn't have any errors
• 4354[23:55:41] <sheppyh> jmcnaught: okay, I also enabled debug on GDM. Last entry is similar to Xorg: Mar 15 22:54:10 debian gdm-Xorg-:0[520]: (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
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• 4356[23:56:20] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: "journalctl -u gdm" or "journalctl /usr/bin/Xorg" might give you more info
• 4357[23:56:41] <happygilmoregent> is there a specific selinux for debian channel?
• 4358[23:57:00] <sheppyh> had to ctrl + c: root@debian:/home/harry# systemctl restart gdm
• 4359[23:57:01] <sheppyh> it froze
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• 4362[23:57:17] <happygilmoregent> having issues with vgui_s.so but have followed the setup on the page and doesn't work
• 4363[23:57:52] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: check the status and/or journal for gdm again, any new errors? it's almost as if it's stalling on something
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• 4366[23:58:37] <jmcnaught> happygilmoregent: i don't know of a selinux specific channel, but most of the Debian channels are on irc.oftc.net, not freenode. There's a list here: replaced-url
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• 4368[23:58:47] <jmcnaught> happygilmoregent: being a wiki it's probably not complete
• 4369[23:59:20] <happygilmoregent> with STEAM_RUNTIME=0 gives unable to find vgui
• 4370[23:59:34] <happygilmoregent> steam_RUNTIME=1 gives me nouveau_dri failures
• 4371[23:59:35] <sheppyh> jmcnaught: journalctl -u gdm: replaced-url
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